Warning! Are Vaccine-Resistant Pathogens Putting Your Child At Risk?

Science is showing vaccine-resistant pathogens pose a serious risk to your children.

You would probably laugh at the absurdity of it—dangerous mutant invaders, seemingly by stealth, plotting a massive attack against the human race.

But, what if you discovered those mutants would be invisible to the naked eye? Would you still have a hard time believing such a story? Believe it or not, many scientists have begun warning us about that exact scenario, with one exception: Microscopic viruses and bacteria are actually playing the roles of the mutants.

The simple fact is this: You have been advised by your doctor to rely on vaccines as a defense against microscopic invaders.

But what happens when a pathogen manages to outsmart such pharmaceutical measures? We may be finding out sooner than expected. Here’s why.

Outbreaks in Highly Vaccinated Populations

In the last few years, there have been several well-publicized outbreaks of infectious diseases. Most people likely will recall the 2010 outbreak of whooping cough or pertussis affecting Californians.

Then there were the recent measles outbreaks occurring in both the U.S.A. and Canada. Sporadic outbreaks of meningitis also have been reported around the globe over the last couple years. Just this year, an outbreak of meningitis was reported in the States. [1]

As a parent, you are told if your children are vaccinated they are ‘protected’; yet many of the outbreaks have occurred in fully immunized populations. So what’s going on?

Some argue outbreaks may have originated from a foreign traveler or possibly from children whose parents chose to exempt them from vaccines.

While others feel a far more worrying mechanism is at work. One possibility being common pathogens have mutated and not only become resistant to vaccines, but also potentially more deadly.

Mother Nature Outsmarts Vaccines

For example, a particular study published in 2010 mentions the rising increase of whooping cough cases may be caused in part to the use of acellular pertussis vaccines resulting in the adaptation of circulating pertussis strains. [2]


Another study led by Dr. Frits Mooi suggests whooping cough vaccines are becoming less effective due to certain strains of pertussis adapting, and that these emerging new strains are likely more virulent. Indeed, the epidemiologic data found an association between these new strains and an increased infant mortality rate. [3]

What’s even more shocking is, according to the CDC, vaccinated children may actually be putting vulnerable loved ones at risk! A study published in 2000 found that vaccinated children are not only at risk for contracting pertussis after 4 to 5 years, but also may play a role in transmitting pertussis to vulnerable loved ones via asymptomatic (or silent) infection. [4]

This isn’t an isolated problem with pertussis, either. Scientists also speculate about measles becoming resistant to vaccines.

A research team led by Dr. Claude Muller from the National Health Laboratory in Luxembourg has reported circulating strains of measles in Africa developing a significant level of resistance to the vaccines currently being used. [5]

But the evidence of morphing pathogens doesn’t end there. A new study has implicated evolving bacteria with the emergence of vaccine-resistant pneumococcus strains, the same bacteria responsible for causing pneumonia and meningitis infections. [6]

If these stories sound familiar, there is good reason.

Vaccines and Antibiotics: Similar Stories

These troubling findings are very reminiscent of concerns that were raised after the over-prescribing of antibiotics. Scientists warned early on that over-use and failing to finish ones prescription could lead to bacterial resistance. [7]

Many years later, after the emergence of antibiotic resistant super-bugs like MRSA, both physicians and patients are now beginning to re-examine their approach to illness. Isn’t this similar to what is happening with vaccines? Consider this. Americans are the most vaccinated population in the world.

Here’s the shocking reality: Children following the CDC’s recommended vaccine schedule will be injected with approximately 115 vaccine antigens, and that’s just within the first two years of life! [8]

In my opinion, this is an outrageous amount. Similar to over-prescribing antibiotics, it seems logical to step back and evaluate the consequences of such a thing as over-vaccination, and whether vaccination mandates are truly achieving the desired effects, or whether our children are slowly falling prey to newly emerging forms of historical illnesses.

 

Sources:

1. Crook County Meningitis ‘Outbreak’ Declared http://www.ktvz.com/news/30372892/detail.html

2. Bordetella pertussis Clones Identified by Multilocus Variable-Number Tandem-Repeat Analysis. http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/16/2/08-1707_article.htm

3. Bordetella pertussis Strains with Increased Toxin Production Associated with Pertussis Resurgence. http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/15/8/08-1511_article.htm

4. Pertussis Infection in Fully Vaccinated Children in Day-Care Centers, Israel http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/6/5/00-0512_article.htm

5. ‘Super-measles’ warning http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1273613.stm

6. Pneumonia, meningitis evolving to evade vaccines http://vaccinenewsdaily.com/vaccine_development/317815-pneumonia-meningitis-evolving-to-evade-vaccines/

7. Ghannoum, Mahmoud A and Samir S Radwan. Candida Adherence to Epithelial Cells. (1990), (CRC Press). p.35.

8. CDC Vaccination Schedule for Children. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/child-schedule.htm#parents

 

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  • Christina England

    Well done Bunny an excellent and informative article. It is certainly very interesting that the medical profession are blaming unvaccinated children for putting the vaccinated children at risk. I never have been able to work out that one.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Bunny,

    Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The scientific literature certainly talks about the consequences of over prescribing antibiotics. It’s interesting there is a total blackout on whether or not over-vaccinating has any serious consequences.

    Are scientists that naive in which they forget about Vioxx, for example? Perhaps fear of losing their jobs for speaking out against pharmaceuticals keeps them in line…

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Bunny,

    Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The scientific literature certainly talks about the consequences of over prescribing antibiotics. It’s interesting there is a total blackout on whether or not over-vaccinating has any serious consequences.

    Are scientists that naive in which they forget about Vioxx, for example? Perhaps fear of losing their jobs for speaking out against pharmaceuticals keeps them in line…

  • Mindanoiha

    Excellently written and interesting article thank you Bunny.
    Vaccination interferes with Mother Nature, she’ll teach us sooner or later that we must stop our madness!

    Some strains which are removed by vaccines are replaced directly by others, “replacement” being a normal phenomenon in virology.

    Immunologist Charlotte Haug MD,PhD, MSc has written several articles considering replacement.  She talks about the “abhorred vacuum”.

    She explained it in a very clear way in her presentation at the 1st Nordic Gynecologic meeting on HPV vaccine in 2010. Here is a slide from her presentation:

    WHAT DO AND DON’T WE KNOW ABOUT REPLACEMENT?
    If the vaccine is effective, viral replacement will take place.
    The question is whether the strains replacing HPV 16/18 will cause more or less disease.

    I think that the statement “If the vaccine is effective, viral replacement will take place” is relevant because it states that it WILL take place, this surely applies to other vaccines too.

  • Pauline

    I have always experienced good health and have never succumbed to so many acute infections until I began to look after my two grandsons aged 2 and 3 years – currently on the vaccine program in England. My grandsons lurch from one illness to another and have done so constantly since very small. Many parents are advised this state of affairs is normal and just accept the situation.  I have felt for a good while those caring for them are inadvertently susceptible to these cultured pathogens. Lost sleep and sickness takes an enormous toll on the lives of ordinary parents trying to balance good care of constantly “under the weather children” with earning a basic living. I also wonder why people are having such difficulty recovering from acute illnesses – most everyone saying they linger for ages? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

    Let me start off by saying this: I am a nurse and I have an additional degree in biology. And I would not consider myself qualified enough to write articles advising parents about the topic you’ve chosen here, Bunny.

    I’d also like to point out – and I’m sure you’d agree – that I have corrected you numerous times on basic scientific and physiological facts. So my main question is this: why do you feel qualified to speak on this topic?

    “In the last few years, there have been several well-publicized outbreaks of infectious diseases. Most people likely will recall the 2010 outbreak of whooping cough or pertussis affecting Californians.”

    There’s also been waning vaccination rates. In California, which you reference, one can see a considerable drop vaccination rates with uptake as low as 60% in some regions. (http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/2010IZRateTable.pdf)

    Pertussis epidemic in California linked to vaccination gaps
    Some doctors in the state say parents not vaccinating children, and physicians limiting the immunizations they administer because of payment issues, contributed to the outbreak.
    (http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2010/07/26/prl10726.htm)

    Why does your interpretation not take into account waning vaccination rates?

    “Just this year, an outbreak of meningitis was reported in the States. [1]”

    Your citation refers to 3 meningitis cases. Meningitis vaccine has a low uptake. Nor does your reference clarify whether the outbreak (totaling 3 cases) is due to a vaccine-preventable strain.

    “As a parent, you are told if your children are vaccinated they are ‘protected’”

    A vaccinated child is more protected than an unvaccinated one. The Kiggs study from Germany (http://www.kiggs.de/service/english/index.html)  shows one major difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated children: the rate at which they contract vaccine-preventable diseases. Unvaccinated children contract more vaccine preventable diseases.

    “yet many of the outbreaks have occurred in fully immunized populations. So what’s going on?”

    Can you cite sources for this claim?

    “For example, a particular study published in 2010 mentions the rising increase of whooping cough cases may be caused in part to the use of acellular pertussis vaccines resulting in the adaptation of circulating pertussis strains. [2]”

    The study you cite here states: “Factors contributing to pertussis resurgence remain unclear, but possible causes are waning immunity, suboptimal vaccine coverage, improved surveillance and diagnosis, the switch from whole cell vaccine (WCV) to acellular vaccine (ACV), and adaptation of circulating Bordetella pertussis strains.”

    While adaption of the pathogen is a key point, so is waning immunity amongst adults and unvaccinated populations. It is well-known that pertussis requires more frequent boosters and that even contracting the disease does not guarantee life-long immunity.
    Why do you not discuss and rule out the other factors?

    “This isn’t an isolated problem with pertussis, either. Scientists also speculate about measles becoming resistant to vaccines.”

    The article you cite for this claim states that waning vaccination is the causative factor here – not the vaccination itself:
    “Dr Claude Muller, from the National Health Laboratory in Luxembourg, told New Scientist magazine that the virus was known to have the ability to mutate rapidly.Patchy vaccination coverage was likely to encourage the selection and survival of more resistant strains, he said.The worldwide immunization programme should be stepped up to knock out resistant strains before they get a foothold, he said. ”

    “These troubling findings are very reminiscent of concerns that were raised after the over-prescribing of antibiotics. Scientists warned early on that over-use and failing to finish ones prescription could lead to bacterial resistance. [7]”

    Resistance to anti-biotics and resistance to vaccination are not the same thing.

    “Here’s the shocking reality: Children following the CDC’s recommended vaccine schedule will be injected with approximately 115 vaccine antigens, and that’s just within the first two years of life! [8]”

    Where are you getting this number from? The supporting link says nothing of the sort.

    “In my opinion, this is an outrageous amount.”

    Again, why is your opinion on vaccination relevant or valid? I don’t dispute your right to an opinon, but you freely admit that you have zero post secondary education and no formal training in biology, physiology, immunology or any other relevant subject.

    The fact of the matter is that although the number of vaccines has increased, the antigen load has DECREASED.

    Also, a recent study shows that getting your vaccinations on time in the first year of life has zero correlation with negative  neurological outcomes: “Timely vaccination during infancy has no adverse effect on neuropsychological outcomes 7 to 10 years later. These data may reassure parents who are concerned that children receive too many vaccines too soon. ” (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2010/05/24/peds.2009-2489.abstract)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

    My mistake.

    Your link does state that the meningitis strain is vaccine-preventable. What it does NOT state is whether the people who contracted the disease were vaccinated.

  • B. St. Marie

     Thank you for your comments Christina. :)

  • B. St. Marie

    Excellent point Jeffry. The Vioxx disaster is the perfect example of yet another pharmaceutical product that was once considered “safe” and “effective.”

  • B. St. Marie

     Thank you for reading Mindanoiha. :) Your comments are always insightful and informative.

     

  • B. St. Marie

     Hi Meagan. I can see you’ve put a lot of time and thought into your comment, but I couldn’t help noticing that not once did you deny the fact that vaccines have been shown to select for a prevalence of vaccine-resistant illness.

    Also, to be fair, I didn’t claim resistance to anti-biotics and resistance to vaccination were the same thing, though I did say there were similarities between the two. Both allow for the selection of resistant strains, but do so in different ways.

    According to the CDC’s definition: “Antibiotic resistance occurs when bacteria change in some way that
    reduces or eliminates the effectiveness of drugs, chemicals, or other
    agents designed to cure or prevent infections. The bacteria survive and
    continue to multiply causing more harm.”

    When you have a moment, I’d love to hear your thoughts on how to effectively mitigate the emergence of vaccine-resistant viruses.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Megan, I’m so glad you decided to comment, especially with your degree in biology. The premise of your argument is vaccines are completely safe and effective.

    First – you do not address one very important subject: why are VACCINATED CHILDREN getting the very illness they are vaccinated for? Parents are told by people like you if their child gets vaccinated, “they’re protected.”

    You cite waning vaccination rates which is a pretty typical argument.
    It doesn’t explain why vaccinated children get the measles, for example.

    I guess the ‘fail safe’ argument could be they weren’t ‘caught up’ on their booster shots, right? You also cite low uptake of a meningitis vaccine – can you please tell me which vaccine you are referring to?

    Second – Being a nurse, I’m sure you are well versed in the ingredients contained in vaccines. One could assume you have read the excipients (ingredients) numerous times. However, I think for the benefit of the reader you should explain a few things.

    For example, non-ionic surfactants are known break down cells and cause CELL DEATH. This promotes bacterial and viral infections. Why are they in vaccines?

    http://www.biolreprod.org/content/73/2/382.full.pdf
    Nonoxynol-9 Induces Apoptosis of Endometrial Explants by Both Caspase-Dependent and -Independent Apoptotic Pathways

    “This study demonstrates for the first time that N-9 induces apoptosis in human endometrial explants. As a membrane- active surfactant spermicide, N-9 induces membrane permeability and membrane fusion. It is well known that cell membrane integrity is essential to maintain intracellular homeostasis, viability, and function. It was recently reported that detergents such as Triton X-100, Nonidet P-40 (NP-40),
    n-octylglucoside, and the bile salt sodium deoxycholate similarly induce apoptosis, indicating that apoptosis induction in the setting of this study may be not a feature peculiar to N-9 but a more general effect of the interaction of detergents with tissue … such damage could facilitate infection with bacterial or viral pathogens such as HIV.”

    Non-ionic surfactants are in the following vaccines:
    Tween 20 (Polysorbate 20)
    -Hepatitis A (Havrix)
    -Hepatitis A-B (Twinrix)

    Tween 80 (Polysorbate 80)
    -DtaP (Infanrix, Tripedia)
    -DtaP-HebB-IPV (Pediarix)
    -DtaP-Hib (TriHIBit)
    -Human Papillomavirus (Gardasil)
    -Influenza (Fluarix)
    -Rotavirus (RotaTeq)
    -Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)

    Triton X-100
    -Influenza (Fluarix, Fluzone)

    Perhaps you can also explain what a person is predisposed to with a mechanism for TNF-α and injected with bacterial toxins and viruses? And actually, if one follows your premise to its conclusion, you are asserting for every action (vaccination) there is no negative reaction (adverse reaction).

    My question to you is: What testable and scientific measurements do you use? I suspect very few. Lastly, ‘the science’ you are claiming doesn’t really fit your conclusion.

    There is plenty of evidence to support the mutation of vaccine-derived viruses,
    for example.

    Here are a few: First isolation of vaccine-derived poliovirus in Slovakia http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=2778

    Isolation of Sabin-Like Polioviruses from Wastewater in a Country Using Inactivated Polio Vaccine http://aem.asm.org/content/74/18/5608.full

    Neurovirulent Vaccine-Derived Polioviruses in Sewage from Highly Immune Populations http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0000069

    Prevalence of vaccine-derived polioviruses in the environment
    http://jgv.sgmjournals.org/content/83/5/1107.full

    Prevalence of vaccine-derived polioviruses in sewage and river water in South Africa http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0043135405002836

    Your premise that vaccines have little to no risk is disturbing. If you want to ‘dive’ into the neurological aspect of vaccines, I suggest you look at microglial activation, or the triggering of the brain’s immune system, in autism.

    http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2004/11_15a_04.html

    And then, perhaps you can elaborate why a vaccine-derived MONKEY VIRUS SV40, is found in the brain of autistics… Association of autism with polyomavirus infection in postmortem brains.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20345322
    “BKV, JCV, and SV40 combined are significantly more frequent among autistic patients compared to controls (67% versus 23%, respectively; P < .05). The majority of positives yielded archetypal sequences, whereas six patients and two controls unveiled single-base pair changes in two or more sequenced clones."

    We'll be kindly waiting for your response. Thanks.

  • Mleawicks

    I have a pastor friend who goes to Africa ever year. He lived there for 2 years at one point. He has gotten his malaria vacc as he was told for the trips.  Yet he has gotten Malaria 3 times and almost died one of them. So if VACC works then why did he get it… Because they don’t work! Good article!!!

  • Mleawicks

    I have a pastor friend who goes to Africa ever year. He lived there for 2 years at one point. He has gotten his malaria vacc as he was told for the trips.  Yet he has gotten Malaria 3 times and almost died one of them. So if VACC works then why did he get it… Because they don’t work! Good article!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

     No, I didn’t deny that. But I did point out that you downplayed the role of UNDER-VACCINATION.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

     No, I didn’t deny that. But I did point out that you downplayed the role of UNDER-VACCINATION.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

     No, I didn’t deny that. But I did point out that you downplayed the role of UNDER-VACCINATION.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

     ”When you have a moment, I’d love to hear your thoughts on how to
    effectively mitigate the emergence of vaccine-resistant viruses.”

    What did the doctor you quoted say?

    “Dr Claude Muller, from the National Health Laboratory in Luxembourg,
    told New Scientist magazine that the virus was known to have the ability
    to mutate rapidly.Patchy vaccination coverage was likely to encourage
    the selection and survival of more resistant strains, he said.The
    worldwide immunization programme should be stepped up to knock out
    resistant strains before they get a foothold, he said”

    He’d know better than I would. Looks like he’d increase vaccination uptake.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

    “The premise of your argument is vaccines are completely safe and effective.”

    Actually, the premise of my argument is that Bunny is not someone who should be writing such things.

    “First – you do not address one very important subject: why are
    VACCINATED CHILDREN getting the very illness they are vaccinated for?”

    Because nothing is 100% safe and effective. Vaccines included.
    Vaccinated children are less likely to contract vaccine-preventable
    diseases. As showcased in the Kiggs study and a myriad of others (http://www.kiggs.de/service/english/index.html).

    “Parents are told by people like you if their child gets vaccinated, “they’re protected.”"

    Conjecture. You have no idea what I tell parents.

    “You cite waning vaccination rates which is a pretty typical argument.
    It doesn’t explain why vaccinated children get the measles, for example.
    I guess the ‘fail safe’ argument could be they weren’t ‘caught up’ on
    their booster shots, right?”

    Can you provide specific examples of fully vaccinated children contracting measles? That’s what I asked Bunny to cite sources for. You’re merely continuing her argument without providing any evidence for the claim made. Again, vaccines are not 100% effective at providing immunity – hence some vaccinated individuals have a chance to contract the disease.

    “You also cite low uptake of a meningitis vaccine – can you please tell me which vaccine you are referring to?”

    The meningitis one.

    “Second – Being a nurse, I’m sure you are well versed in the ingredients contained in vaccines. One could assume you have read the excipients (ingredients) numerous times.”

    Yes, I have. And furthermore, my education allows me to UNDERSTAND THEM. And that makes me UNAFRAID of them.

    “For example, non-ionic surfactants are known break down cells and
    cause CELL DEATH. This promotes bacterial and viral infections. Why are
    they in vaccines?”

    If you don’t understand why they’re in vaccines, why do you feel qualified to discuss this topic?

    Nonoxynol-9 is most commonly used as spermicide. In fact, it’s WIDELY
    used as spermicide – applied directly to the skin of the penis or to the
    delicate cervix. Furthermore, I can’t see one instance where this specific chemical is used in a vaccine.

    Do you not understand the role of detergents in vaccine manufacture? A
    virus can only be grown in a host cell. After the virus is grown,
    scientists use detergents to remove the virus from its host. Any
    detergent would be present in trace amounts if at all.

    The other ingredients you list (yes, I know scientific things sound scary) are equally innocuous.

    Polysorbate 80: a common ingredient in ice cream; In Europe and America
    people eat about 100 mg of polysorbate 80 in foods per day; Influenza
    vaccines contain 25 mcg(that’s MICROGRAMS which is SMALLER than mgs) of
    polysorbate 80 per dose; used to stabilize parenteral substances

    Polysorbate 20: another common food additive; used to stabilize
    parenteral substances; Polysorbate 20 is used as a wetting agent in
    flavored mouth drops such as Ice Drops, helping to provide the spreading
    feeling of the other ingredients like SD alcohol and mint flavor;
    acceptable daily intake limits of 0-25 mg of polyoxyethylene sorbitan
    esters per kg body weight; aids the body in absorption of the vaccine

    “Perhaps you can also explain what a person is predisposed to with a
    mechanism for TNF-α and injected with bacterial toxins and viruses?”

    Tumor necrosis factor-alpha (it’s actually called cachexin now) helps
    to regulate immune cell function. It’s present in all people and it’s
    involved chiefly in systemic inflammation.
    Dysregulation can be implicated in several diseases – although this is mostly theoretical at this point.

    Your question doesn’t make much sense.

    “And actually, if one follows your premise to its conclusion, you are
    asserting for every action (vaccination) there is no negative reaction
    (adverse reaction). My question to you is: What testable and scientific
    measurements do you use? I suspect very few.”

    This question doesn’t make much sense.

    You’re assuming that a vaccine would have a negative and adverse
    reaction. The fact is a reaction DOES follow vaccination – an immune
    reaction.

    “Lastly, ‘the science’ you are claiming doesn’t really fit your conclusion. There is plenty of evidence to support the mutation of vaccine-derived viruses, for example.”

    I didn’t ever claim that these viruses were incapable of mutation. Perhaps you
    should thoroughly read my comment before replying to it, because you’ve
    made a lot of errors and assumptions that were unfounded thus far.

    The studies you link here all recommend vaccination in high uptake amounts to combat mutation.
    Example:”This, in turn, emphasizes the necessity of uninterrupted child
    vaccination in order to ensure sustained high herd immunity.”

    “Your premise that vaccines have little to no risk is disturbing.”

    Vaccines have lower risk than the diseases they protect against.

    Example: Risk of encephalitis from the MMR vaccine is less than 1 in 1
    million. Encephalitis from measels is 1 in 1000 and 1 in 200 for mumps.

    “If you want to ‘dive’ into the neurological aspect of vaccines, I
    suggest you look at microglial activation, or the triggering of the
    brain’s immune system, in autism.”

    Your link states: “These findings reinforce the theory that immune response in the brain is
    involved in autism, although it is not yet clear whether the inflammation is a consequence of disease or a cause of it”

    Your link also has absolutely zero to do with vaccines.

    “And then, perhaps you can elaborate why a vaccine-derived MONKEY VIRUS SV40, is found in the brain of autistics…”

    SV40 is a zoonotic virus that can be contracted by humans by normal means.

    You’ve made a jump from a contaminated polio vaccine in the 1950′s and a
    study completed in 2010. One has zero to do with the other.

    The study cites: “15 autistic patients and 13 controls” – which is a
    skewed data pool and one too small to make any sweeping conclusions
    from. This study says absolutely nothing about whether these people
    were or were not vaccinated. It’s completely irrelevant to the topic.

  • B. St. Marie

     So essentially your answer is more vaccines for more people. I’m curious though, is this truly a realistic approach?

    Being a nurse, you are likely more than aware that there are patients who, -for whatever health reasons, are unable to receive vaccines. There is also a percentage of the population in which vaccines simply don’t work.

    Persons in less-developed areas of the world are at particular risk of experiencing vaccine failure, as they are often malnourished, sick, and live in conditions that favor a prevalence of disease. -These are the very same conditions affecting the population Claude Muller’s team observed as being resistant to measles vaccines.

    Flu (influenza) is a great example of an illness that simply mutates too rapidly for vaccines to offer any sort of protection against.

    I found it interesting that avian influenza vaccines are actually being reconsidered in some countries due to the negative impact they’ve had on disease control:

    “Vaccination can be a useful tool for control of avian influenza
    outbreaks in poultry, but its use is reconsidered in most of the
    countries worldwide because of its negative effects on the disease
    control. One of the most important negative effects is the potential for
    emergence of vaccine-resistant viruses. Actually, in the vaccination
    program in China and Mexico, several vaccine-resistant strains were
    confirmed.”
    http://discover-decouvrir.cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/article/?aid=9128984

    Perhaps its time researchers considered the long-term impact human vaccination programs may be having on the control of disease.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

     ” So essentially your answer is more vaccines for more people. I’m curious though, is this truly a realistic approach? ”

    It’s not MY answer, it the answer of an expert that YOU quoted in your original post.
    See, the difference between you and I, Bunny, is that I understand when and where my breadth of knowledge lies and when I should defer to those more intelligent and educated than I.

    Dr. Claude Muller states that patchy vaccination coverage encourages the selection and survival of resistant strains and that immunization coverage should be extended.

    “Being a nurse, you are likely more than aware that there are patients who, -for whatever health reasons, are unable to receive vaccines. There is also a percentage of the population in which vaccines simply don’t work.”

    The number of people who are legitimately unable to be vaccinated due to medical conditions is exceedingly low. And the vaccination success rate for measles – which is what the article discussed – is over 95%. So yes, uptake of vaccines by every person who is not medically exempt would go an awful long way towards curbing mutation of resistant strains.

    “Persons in less-developed areas of the world are at particular risk of experiencing vaccine failure”

    Can you provide evidence for this claim?

    “Flu (influenza) is a great example of an illness that simply mutates too rapidly for vaccines to offer any sort of protection against.”

    which is why a universal influenza vaccine is being developed.

    And your conjecture that it offers no protection is incorrect. Influenza vaccine offers some protection – it simply isn’t complete or as high as something like the measles vaccine.

    “I found it interesting that avian influenza vaccines are actually being reconsidered in some countries due to the negative impact they’ve had on disease control:”

    You’re discussing the inoculation of animals – not people. Which isn’t really relevant to this discussion.

  • B. St. Marie

    Persons in less-developed areas of the world are at particular risk of experiencing vaccine failure. Examples:

    TB Vaccine’s Failure Linked to Malnutrition in Third World http://articles.latimes.com/1985-05-26/local/me-5937_1_world-healthMalnutrition is Associated with Oral Polio Vaccine Failure in Infants in Bangladesh http://www.abstractsonline.com/Plan/ViewAbstract.aspx?mID=2756&sKey=72f087ee-42fa-441b-a22f-ba8654203141&cKey=61b55d04-6705-4a8b-8714-7c34f997490b&mKey={6BADBAB5-8298-4B1A-B5C2-0EEFA5120BB0}Malnutrition is listed as a contributing factor for measles outbreaks in the US.http://www.abstractsonline.com/Plan/ViewAbstract.aspx?mID=2756&sKey=72f087ee-42fa-441b-a22f-ba8654203141&cKey=61b55d04-6705-4a8b-8714-7c34f997490b&mKey={6BADBAB5-8298-4B1A-B5C2-0EEFA5120BB0}Meagan said: “You’re discussing the inoculation of animals – not people. Which isn’t really relevant to this discussion.”Why aren’t avian influenza vaccines relevant to this discussion? You are aware that rare cases of human infection with avian influenza viruses have been reported, yes?Are you suggesting that perhaps animal models aren’t the best means of demonstrating the efficacy of things like vaccines or vaccine ingredients in humans? If so I’d be interested in discussing this further.

  • B. St. Marie

     I apologize for the clumped together appearance of the above response. For some reason the comment formatting clumped the end of my reply into one big paragraph!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

     If you disagree with Dr. Claude Muller – why?
    And how do you propose to stop virus mutation?

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    Regarding fully vaccinated children getting measles, please see this:
    New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 316, No. 13, pp.771-774 (1987)
    Measles Outbreak in Highly Vaccinated Population 1985 Texas:
    99% vaccinated; 1% unvaccinated.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Show me the safety studies on non-ionic surfactants in animals and humans.

    N-9 was used in the H1N1 vaccine trial in North Denver by Isaac Melamed in 2009. Triton X-100 is used in pesticides, also in vaccines.

    You say non-ionic surfactants are harmless. Please do show your science. Here’s what your contemporaries say about vaccine excipients , and specifically Tween 20, Tween 80, and Triton X-100.

    “Excipients are inactive ingredients of a drug product necessary for production of a finished pharmaceutical formulation.”

    Grabenstein JD, (ed). immunoFacfs” 2011 Vaccines and immunologic Drugs. Wolters Kluwer Health, 2010. pg. 1

    And to your next anticipated statement — that the term “inactive” actually is significant.

    “Pharmaceutical products may contain, in
    addition to the active or therapeutic agent(s), a variety of other
    ingredients, termed inactive or inert, which are categorized as
    excipients or additives (flavorings, sweeteners, preservatives,
    stabilizers, diluents, lubricants, etc.). The words inert or inactive
    may be misnomers for some excipients because some have been shown to
    cause adverse effects. Neonates and young children are at risk for such
    effects because they may not be able to metabolize or eliminate an
    ingredient in a pharmaceutical product in the same manner as an adult.”

    Encyclopedia of Pharmaceutical Technology Vol. 11

    Authors James Swarbick and James C. Boylan

    1995 New York: Marcel Dekker, Inc. pg. 344

    Also from the reference above…

    “The addition of surfactants to ophthalmic solutions is permitted, even though their use is greatly restricted. The toxicity of surfactants is on the order anionic > cationic > nonionic. Nonionics are used in low concentrations to increase the dispersion of suspended drugs, such as steroids, and thereby improve solution clarity. The ability of these compounds to bind and thereby inactivate certain preservatives, coupled with their irritation potential, limits their use to low concentrations. For example, the FDA limits the concentrations of Tween 20 and Tween 80 to 1%.” (page 61)

    “In the early 1980s, reports appeared in the literature about deaths in neonates associated with the administration of IV E-Ferol, a product that contained Vitamin E (dl-a-tocopherol) and the emulsifiers polysorbate 80 (9%) and polysorbate 20 (1%). Some infants who received this vitamin E product developed coagulopathy, renal failure, hepatic failure, and death. On autopsy, the infants who died from hepatic failure demonstrated cholestasis similar to that associated with parenteral nutrition. Toxic reactions may have occurred because of the high doses of vitamin E, the presence of polysorbate(s), a contaminant in the pharmaceutical preparation, or a combination of all three.” (page 345)

    Some solvents for antiepileptics have proepileptic potencies in the WAG/Rij rat model for absence epilepsy

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1393624

    Disclosure by triton X-100 of NMDA-sensitive [3H] glutamate binding sites in brain synaptic membranes.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2838020

    Tween 80 Immunosuppression

    Food and Chemical Toxicology, Vol 20. No. 6 pp. 983.

    “Tween 80 (polyoxyethylene sorbitan monooleate), an emulsifier, is yet another example or a commonly used chemical being implicated in the suppression of the immunological response.
    Barnett reports that recent work in his laboratory has suggested that
    the primary IgE and IgG, MS suppressed in mice pretreated with Tween 80
    followed by an immunizing dose of ovalbumin adsorbed to aluminium hydroxide (an
    antigenadjuvant combination known to produce high levels of IgE and
    IgG,)… The authors conclude from these findings that the
    immunosuppression caused by Tween 80 is restricted to the primary
    humoral response.”

    Delayed effects of neonatal exposure to Tween 80 on female reproductive organs in rats

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8473002

    Treatment of Cells with Detergent Activates Caspases and Induces Apoptotic Cell Death

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10833528

    Effects of repeated subcutaneous injection of Tween-80 in rats 
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5914564

    “In
    the rats injected with Tween-80, 1 subcutaneous sarcoma was found at
    the site of injection, and 2 similar sarcomas were also found in the
    rats injected with Tween-80 and small amounts of 3′-me-DAB. In mice 2
    subcutaneous sarcomas were induced by injections of Tween-80 alone. These results raise the possibility that Tween-80 may be directly involved in carcinogenesis.”Evaluation of mucosal damage of surfactants in rat jejunum and colon

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7766919

    “In
    particular, surfactants, which are commonly used adjuvants in oral
    pharmaceutical preparations to improve wetting and solubilization for
    insoluble drugs, have come under investigation as absorption enhancers.
    The goal of an enhancer is to improve membrane permeability without
    unwanted side effects. However, this is a formidable task because
    absorption is often increased due to intestinal damage.”

    “Tween
    80 is an orally approved surfactant routinely used in drug formulations
    and food products (FDA Inactive Ingredient Guide, 1991). In contrast,
    Triton X-100 is not approved for oral use and is regarded as toxic.”

    Nonoxynol-9 Induces Apoptosis of Endometrial Explants by Both Caspase-Dependent and -Independent Apoptotic Pathways

    http://www.biolreprod.org/content/73/2/382.full.pdf

    Solubilization of membranes by detergents

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1091302

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Patent application title: DECREASING POTENTIAL IATROGENIC RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH INFLUENZA VACCINES

    Read more: http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090081252#ixzz1qNfvRbgg

    Have fun with this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

     ”Stratified analysis showed that the number of doses of vaccine received
    was the most important predictor of antibody response. Ninety-five
    percent confidence intervals of seronegative rates were 0 to 3.3 percent
    for students who had received two prior doses of vaccine, as compared
    with 3.6 to 6.8 percent for students who had received only a single
    dose. After the survey, none of the 1732 seropositive students
    contracted measles. Fourteen of 74 seronegative students, all of whom
    had been vaccinated, contracted measles.”

    Which is exactly why we now give 3 doses plus boosters.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

     And a patent proves what?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

    “Show me the safety studies on non-ionic surfactants in animals and humans.”

    Are you incapable of using Google yourself? I’ve already showed you the scientific consensus regarding the substances you prattled off.

    “N-9 was used in the H1N1 vaccine trial in North Denver by Isaac Melamed in 2009. Triton X-100 is used in pesticides, also in vaccines.”

    You know what else is used in both those things? Dihydrogen monoxide. Must be bad for you.

    “You say non-ionic surfactants are harmless. Please do show your science. Here’s what your contemporaries say about vaccine excipients , and specifically Tween 20, Tween 80, and Triton X-100.”

    And who are my contemporaries, exactly? You spend an awful lot of time making unfounded assumptions about people you know zero about.

    “The words inert or inactive may be misnomers for some excipients because some have been shown to cause adverse effects. Neonates and young children are at risk for such effects because they may not be able to metabolize or eliminate an
    ingredient in a pharmaceutical product in the same manner as an adult.”
    Encyclopedia of Pharmaceutical Technology Vol. 11
    Authors James Swarbick and James C. Boylan
    1995 New York: Marcel Dekker, Inc. pg. 344″

    That’s all super great – but unless you have evidence that they’re speaking specifically about the ingredients in question, this adds nothing to our discussion. There are literally thousands of additives.

    ““The addition of surfactants to ophthalmic solutions is permitted, even though their use is greatly restricted. The toxicity of surfactants is on the order anionic > cationic > nonionic. Nonionics are used in low concentrations to increase the dispersion of suspended drugs, such as steroids, and thereby improve solution clarity. The ability of these compounds to bind and thereby inactivate certain preservatives, coupled with their irritation potential, limits their use to low concentrations. For example, the FDA limits the concentrations of Tween 20 and Tween 80 to 1%.” (page 61)”

    Eye drops are not vaccines. Next.

    ““In the early 1980s, reports appeared in the literature about deaths in neonates associated with the administration of IV E-Ferol, a product that contained Vitamin E (dl-a-tocopherol) and the emulsifiers polysorbate 80 (9%) and polysorbate 20 (1%). Some infants who received this vitamin E product developed coagulopathy, renal failure, hepatic failure, and death. On autopsy, the infants who died from hepatic failure demonstrated cholestasis similar to that associated with parenteral nutrition. Toxic reactions may have occurred because of the high doses of vitamin E, the presence of polysorbate(s), a contaminant in the pharmaceutical preparation, or a combination of all three.” (page 345)”

    IV E-Ferol was administered to premature, under-weight neonates.
    Your quote does not definitively provide evidence that the emulsifiers had anything to do with the deaths.

    Then you post a bunch of junk about Polysorbate 80.

    Rats fed with diets containing up to 5% polysorbate 80 by volume for 12 weeks showed no toxic effects, however, the levels of polysorbate 80 used in the study were determined based on an assumed maximum human consumption of 750 mg per day, and the study did find statistically significant differences in efficiency of caloric utilization. Polysorbate 80 is not carcinogenic. A 1956 study saw no effect on reproduction in rats at up to 5% of their diet being polysorbate 80, although reproduction decreased at 20% of the diet. A 1993 study raised concerns that polysorbate 80 might decrease fertility in rats. A 1997 study on two rats looked at the effect of consuming three doses by body weight of 0.5%/day on the sex organs of female rats and saw no abnormal changes in uterine weight, note that this does not take into account myriad possible epigenetic, or even physically observable differences in structure and function.  this is equivalent to a 70 kg person consuming about 350 g per day for three days.  A 2008 study concluded that there was no observable adverse effects at doses per body weight of up to 1.85 ml/kg·day, which is equivalent to a 70 kg person consuming about 140 g of this substance per day for 21 days. However, administration of 16.783 ml/kg·day to pregnant rats lowered body weight in male and female offspring. This is equivalent to a person consuming about 1.3 kg of polysorbate 80 per day for 21 days.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0890623807002432
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1440-1797.2005.00389.x/abstract;jsessionid=4E03C1DA019B99217354ABEE8510A58F.d03t01
    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/60/3/367.short
    http://potency.lbl.gov/chempages/POLYSORBATE%2080.html
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/027869159390092D
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378427496038635
    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/60/4/489.short

    The conclusion these scientists all came to is that this is a safe compound. Humans eat 100 mg of polysorbate 80 in foods per day. The amount of this substance in a vaccine is measured in micrograms.

    Can you tell me what degrees you have and whether you work in a lab or a hospital? If you have no degrees and are not a scientist or a health care professional, can you explain to me why you feel your opinions on this subject should be taken seriously?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

     I’ve replied to this 4 times now. My comments are either being deleted or eaten.

  • Laraine Abbey

    Bunny, you have raised many excellent points herein, which apparently rattled Meagan Cran to attempt to discredit what you are saying via ‘argumentum ad hominum’.  As if genius were produced by college degrees.  I find one definition of an ‘expert’ apropo––one who knows more and more about less and less until he/she know absolutely everything about nothing. Another pertinent phrase comes to mind––many ‘can’t see the forest for the trees.’  Even a simple ‘Google’ search with ‘outbreaks in fully vaccinated’ brings up enough reading material to keep one very busy.

    Virtually each of the common, so-called, vaccine preventable disease are suffering outbreaks in fully vaccinated groups, and it is happening all over the world as my prior mentioned Google search clearly shows.

    Resurgence of pertussis presents a classic example of new strains (http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/15/8/08-1511_article.htm); and also of waning immunity of vaccines (http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2334/5/40) as this latter citation shows, which states: “In Lithuania, the vaccination coverage against pertussis is high. Nevertheless, there
    is a significant increase in pertussis cases in fully immunized children.”

    The article further comments, “Pertussis is a common disease in Lithuania as well as in many other countries with
    high vaccination coverage.” This article notes that pertussis whole-cell vaccine is used. So use of the acellular vaccine is no explanation for Lithuanians.

    The old adage “you can’t fool mother nature” seems more true than ever as we see in the biology of so many living things, which you have wisely noted by highlighting vaccine and antibiotic resistance.  We can add to this the emergence of pesticide resistance now yielding super-weeds we can’t seem to control. 

    More vaccines, more boosters, more antibiotics, and more pesticides will never be the answer to human, animal or plant health.  Those who believe so, are living in a fool’s paradise. 

    We cannot vaccinate, medicate, or poison ourselves, our pets, or our plants into health.  And for Meagan Cran’s benefit, I will mention that I have a Bachelor’s degree in nursing, and a Master’s degree in Biology/Clinical Nutrition and have helped heal over 10,000 patients through my 16 year private practice.

    Thank-you Bunny for a great article.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

     So you accuse me of argumentum ad hominum and then go on to use it against me.

    Neat.

  • Critic

    Laraine Abbey has a long history of using Ad Hominem attacks which is one the reasons she fits in well on this site.As for her claims of curing 10,000 patients she could at least be honest and admit she really means she has sold over-priced vitamins based on bad science to enrich herself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

     Yeah, I just Googled her.

    A psych nurse who quit nursing to tell fat people not to eat junk food.

    Cute.

    She also ascribed to the idea that shaken baby syndrome can be attributed to vaccination. Sickening.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    The conclusions they came to is after they CONSUMED polysorbate 80 … are you telling me it’s the same as being INJECTED?

    Interesting you would attempt to make it appear the same.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

     And we might as well list ‘Appeal to Authority’ in there too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563465182 Meagan Cran

    The only people who think that there is a difference between injecting of ingesting micrograms of a substance are ignorant people who do not realize that the body acts the same way on a substance once it hits the blood stream.

    Again:
    Can you tell me what degrees you have and whether you work in a lab
    or a hospital? If you have no degrees and are not a scientist or a
    health care professional, can you explain to me why you feel your
    opinions on this subject should be taken seriously?

  • http://www.facebook.com/bunny.st.marie Bunny Dayelle St. Marie

    Meagan, there is evidence that increasing vaccine uptake will only exacerbate the problem, paving the way for non-vaccine strain illness to take over.

    The following are excepts from a study examining the effects vaccination has had on the prevalence of non-vaccine pneumococcal serotypes:

    “Indeed, among asymptomatic carriers, the prevalence of NVTs has
    increased substantially, and consequently, there has been little or no net change in the bacterial carriage prevalence. In
    many populations, pneumococcal disease caused by NVT has increased, but in most cases this increase has been less
    than the increase in NVT carriage.”

    “a study of Aboriginal people in Western
    Australia58 found that PCV7 reduced the incidence of IPD
    in young children and older people, but there was a
    significant net increase in IPD in young adults driven by
    an increase in NVTs. In another population, there was no
    evidence of replacement in vaccinated children, but there
    was a significant increase in NVTs in adults, which off set
    the herd-immunity benefits of the vaccine.”
    http://origem.info/FIC/pdf/Weinberger_Serotype_replace_dx_pneumo_vacc_Lancet_Apr2011.pdf

  • Laraine Abbey

    Must say, I laughed out loud upon reading comments by Meagan Cran and Critic in response to my previous post.  Let’s not waste the readers’ time by engaging in vituperative character wars.  I hope any interested parties will also ‘Google’ me and further, check out my foundation––www.BetterFoodForBetterKids.org.

    While our children are sicker than ever, and dying of dread diseases, let’s get back to the point–– the impact of vaccines upon total health.  Vital issues are being raised here, requiring serious answers by serious people. 

  • Laraine Abbey

    Wrong on all counts. 

  • Laraine Abbey

    Nope, never quit nursing!

  • Mindanoiha

    Medical students normally study about vaccines for only a short time, often just for a few hours and doctors often don’t take the time to even read through package inserts.

    In comparison it is often the case that vaccine critics have spent hundreds of hours, even many years studying vaccines and know far more than the average doctor.

    We are many who are frustrated, unimpressed and tired of trying to ask about and discuss with doctors about vaccine ingredients, safety statistics, potential long term adverse events including carcinogenicity, synergy, interactions, secondary transmission, concomitant administration, etc.

    It is often blatantly obvious that the average doctor has minimal knowledge about the complex issue of vaccination.

  • Mindanoiha

    Excellent comment Jeffry.

    It is not only specific ingredients which may have a deleterious effect. The way in which substances influence and interact with each other must also be taken into consideration.

    Emulgents such as polysorbates/Tweens lower surface tension and may increase permeability of the blood-brain barrier, thus facilitating passage of substances through the barrier and into the brain tissue where they may accumulate.

    This property is used in the case of brain targeting. Polysorbates are present in injections where it is desired that for example psychiatric and chemo drugs may gain closer contact with brain tissue.

    Emulgents are present in many vaccines to increase miscibility and to render the fluids more homogeneous.

    The fact that they may also facilitate passage of toxic substances to the brain tissue is obviously undesirable.

    Examples of many are:The H1N1 pandemic influensa vaccine PANDEMRIX which contains polysorbates and mercury.

    It is especially worrying that this vaccine was also advised for small children and pregnant women.

    These groups are exceedingly vulnerable as the blood-brain barriers of infants and fetus’ are not fully developed and may therefore be more permeable.

    Another example is the HPV vaccine GARDASIL where polysorbate 80/Tween 80 may facilitate passage of substances including neurotoxic aluminium into the brain tissue.

    This may be one reason why many young girls who have been injured by Gardasil show symptoms of brain damage.

  • Mindanoiha

    Excellent comment Jeffry. It is not only specific ingredients which may have a deleterious effect.

    The way in which substances influence and interact with each other must also be taken into consideration.

    Emulgents such as polysorbates/Tweens lower surface tension and may increase permeability of the blood-brain barrier, thus facilitating passage of substances through the barrier and into the brain tissue where they may accumulate.

    This property is used in the case of brain targeting. Polysorbates are present in injections where it is desired that for example psychiatric and chemo drugs may gain closer contact with brain tissue.

    Emulgents are present in many vaccines to increase miscibility and to render the fluids more homogeneous.

    The fact that they may also facilitate passage of toxic substances to the brain tissue is obviously undesirable.

    Examples of many are: The H1N1 pandemic influensa vaccine PANDEMRIX which contains polysorbates and mercury.

    It is especially worrying that this vaccine was also advised for small children and pregnant women.

    These groups are exceedingly vulnerable as the blood-brain barriers of infants and fetus’ are not fully developed and may therefore be more permeable.

    Another example is the HPV vaccine GARDASIL where polysorbate 80/Tween 80 may facilitate passage of substances including neurotoxic aluminium into the brain tissue.

    This may be one reason why many young girls who have been injured by Gardasil show symptoms of brain damage.

  • Laraine Abbey

     So right.  Most doctors mean well, but they are just believing and trusting in their leaders who are often mislead by vaccine producers who are sadly lacking in knowledge of REAL HEALTH.  We got through millions of years of evolution without doctors or vaccines thanks to a natural world with REAL FOOD and CLEAN WATER.

  • Laraine Abbey

     Wrong on all counts!

  • Lowell Hubbs

    I got on this a bit late and had not previously realized these comments were existing here.

    I would suggest reading the below article, Megan. I think you have been reading to much of Paul Offits connected and false propganda, Megan, in the claim that injecting substances are the same as ingesting them in your diet. Such a claim is simply ridiculous, and defies and shows a lack of any true physiological understanding of the human body. You want to dealo in the science on every claim you make, Megan; where is that said science. You do not simply get away with here making a claim that educated people in the medical/vaccine field state it is so, so it is so. Like Paul Offit, you and like him, make the same claims regarding this, but there is no scientific data to back up his claims nor your claims. It is an assumption, and thus quite obviously Mr. Offit feels that what he states is just common sense. But it NOt common sense at all. It is intellectual   dishonesty,  avoidance of facing the real need of actual proof science. Why dont they inject those vaccines and then watch what happens within the blood? They can do that you know. It is known as darkfield blood microscopy, and it has been around fro 100 years, and more refined today than ever. Why has the FDA banned the use of it in any and all human diagnostics? Answer, they know, Now that would be some real science!

    Polysorbate 80 and Histidine, a marriage of disasterhttp://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/080830

  • Lowell Hubbs

    Statement made.
    “If you want to ‘dive’ into the neurological aspect of vaccines, I suggest you look at microglial activation, or the triggering of the brain’s immune system, in autism.”
    To that, Mergan replied:
    Your link states: “These findings reinforce the theory that immune response in the brain is involved in autism, although it is not yet clear whether the inflammation is a consequence of disease or a cause of it”
    Your link also has absolutely zero to do with vaccines.
    By the way Megan, you are obviously missing part of the picture and as well the existing science here. Over activation of the brains microglia which is said to be part of the brains own immune system, has been documented in relation to vaccines and as well much information on the resulting chronic brain inflammation repeat exposure to vaccines containing aluminum adjuvants have caused. The physiological mechanism in this has been clearly outlined by Dr. Russel Blaylock already years ago. More recent studies have as well clearly supported that finding. Just because the Johns Hopkins study indictes that they do not know what causes that said brain inflammation, does not mean it is not vaccines, simply because they neglected to investigate that issue in causation. These are just a few of the studies existing. Also there are several similar studies in relation to what Gardasil has caused in regard to the aluminum adjuvant and the HPV DNA being locked to that aluminum adjuvant. The same DNA contaminant that Merck said was not in the vaccine. Please educate yourself beyond what you feel some other so called educated person in the field wrote, or told you. And please think for yourself.
    Regarding rapidly mutating pathogens and the claim that patchy vaccination coverage was likely to encourage the selection and survival of more resistant strains, this simply does not even make sense. If vaccination is the cause, and it is; then more vaccination would not create but a worsening problem. Where is their science to prove that claim to be correct? It does not exist. The studies do not exist any more than to claim that there are scientific studies to prove vaccine derived herd immunity, is scientifically proven. They are simply false purveyors of science, that has never existed.
    Megan stated, If you disagree with Dr. Claude Muller – why? And how do you propose to stop virus mutation?
    My answer to that would be, to simply stop vaccinating and creating a worsening situation, that eventually nothing will fix!!!!
    Megan stated, Also, a recent study shows that getting your vaccinations on time in the first year of life has zero correlation with negative  neurological outcomes: “Timely vaccination during infancy has no adverse effect on neuropsychological outcomes 7 to 10 years later. These data may reassure parents who are concerned that children receive too many vaccines too soon. ”
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2010/05/24/peds.2009-2489.abstract)
    My reply to that is this, in that study they only looked at thimerosal, and VAERS outcomes regarding thimerosal. Then in that study as well the AAP claimed that in testing, that essentialy the more thimerosal the children recieved in their vaccines, the better the testing outcome became? AND THAT is to be all the assurance parents need of vaccine safety? Such bogus and fraudulent studies like that? Who would be that ignorant as to believe that an injected neurotoxin improves the test scores of any kind, of any children?
    Contaminated Gardasil Vaccine May Be Infectious – Potentially Causing Millions More to Become Sick via Blood Transference – Merck Doctor Admits Contaminant Does Not Belong in the Vaccine
    With 21 scientific references as to tha harm of a vaccine such as Gardasil:
    http://sanevax.org/contaminated-gardasil-vaccine-may-be-infectious-potentially-causing-millions-more-to-become-sick-via-blood-transference-merck-doctor-admits-contaminant-does-not-belong-in-the-vaccine/
    Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity
    Conclusions: SignificanceSystemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host’s immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system’s self-organized criticality.
    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0008382
    Michael Wagnitz: Scientists find correlation between autism and aluminum in vaccines
    http://m.host.madison.com/mobile/article_61a5c82c-4fc7-5a17-96d7-10356f19b13f.html
    Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?
    Lucija Tomljenovic, Christopher A. Shaw
    http://omsj.org/reports/tomljenovic%202011.pdf
    Mechanisms of aluminum adjuvant toxicity and autoimmunity in pediatric populations
    http://lup.sagepub.com/content/21/2/118.full
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22235057
    The spectrum of ASIA: ‘Autoimmune (Auto-inflammatory) Syndrome induced by Adjuvants’
    http://lup.sagepub.com/content/21/2/118.full
    Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and Causality (2012)
    http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=13164&page=R9
    Find much more here:
    http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lowell-Hubbs/1285214003 Lowell Hubbs

    What is actually sickening is your lack of an unbiased education into the facts and truth, Megan. Why is it that you think vaccine-induced encephalitis does not look in many ways identical to having been beaten injury? Is it beyond comprehension to you that doctors could have caused what exists here, through vaccination? Is it acceptable to you that parents go to prison, for what the doctors actually caused; and many actually have, not even realizing what the real truth was.

    Shaken Baby Syndrome or Vaccine-Induced Encephalitis?Harold E. Buttram, MDhttp://www.jpands.org/hacienda/buttram.htmlhttp://www.freeyurko.bizland.com/Considered Innocent Until Proven Guilty: How Does This Apply to Shaken Baby Syndrome and Non-Accidental Injury?http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/01/23/considered-innocent-until-proven-guilty-how-does-this-apply-to-shaken-baby-syndrome-and-non-accidental-injury/SBS – Shaken Baby Syndrome
    http://vran.org/health-risks/sidssbs/sbs-shaken-baby-syndrome/

    Vaccines And Sudden Infant Death Syndrome
    http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Vaccines-And-Sudden-Infant-Death-Syndrome

    Vaccines and Brain Inflammation
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/06/01/vaccines-and-brain-inflammation/

  • http://www.facebook.com/sierra.lord1 Sierra Lord

    My daughter was vaxed until 10 months old when I decided it was too much. She just turned 4 and got pertussis about 2 months ago. I have it too. Three unvaxed children got it from us. We haven’t even been tested because Dr. refuse to admit vax didint work. the other children were diagnosed and quarantined, but I coughed ribs out of place, my little girls eyes bulging out, asking me to help her when she can speak again after an episode that makes her cough until she pukes, 20 times a day.
    White coats call it a virus that will last 10-14 days. Then 3 weeks. Then 4 weeks.
    I was given antibiotics that i am already resistant to and pain meds.
    We are lucky because it could be a lot worse, like autism.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sierra.lord1 Sierra Lord

    You are one reason the health profession is disturbing.
    Dance, puppet, dance.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sierra.lord1 Sierra Lord

     Maybe there is an IQ vaccine for you.

  • Grabbage

     Maybe there’s a vaccine that could remove children from negligent, illiterate parents.

  • Lowell Hubbs

    How about if there were a vaccine to prevent sheeple syndrome??? How would that grab you Grabbage. At least I have the guts to use my real name, and fear nothing. 

    How about having nationwide vaccine truth campaigns, where the parents are required to listen to the unbiased vaccine information. We will delegate the speakers. And how about at the same time the parents are as well required to view the evidence of the vaccine harm science that does exist, and that the CDC endlessly ignores. All of this should be a requirement before any vaccination is done. And you can have Paul Offit come and sit in, and delegate his own crew to go to all these meetings, and when the truth tellers are done, he and they can have the last word. Then, the parents would have the true picture of reality.

    http://www.vacfacts.info

  • Lowell Hubbs

    That, you can recover from, a vaccine injury you may not ever recover from.

  • http://www.nemeths.info/ Robin Nemeth

     Yesterday I found out that my song writing teacher at
    the local community college has never actually written a song. Funny, eh?
    “You wouldn’t expect your english teacher to have written a novel, would
    you?” is what she said to me.

    Then, about an hour later after I got home from class, I got
    a call from some young lady trying to raise money for the Ohio Troopers
    Collusion. “What?” I asked, and she said “The Ohio Troopers Collision”.  “Huh?,” I responded.  I asked her to spell it and she spelled it
    c-o-a-l-i-t-i-o-n, and I said I would say that’s ‘coalition’.  She was calling from the Ohio Troopers
    Coalition. Then I asked her if she knew what the word ‘coalition’ means, and
    she told me she was from Albuquerque. Sometimes I really do feel like I’m
    communicating with space aliens, I must admit.

    We talked a bit more, and then I asked her again if she knew
    what ‘coalition’ means and she said did, and then we talked a bit more (I asked
    her if she was getting paid to help raise this money for the Ohio Troopers
    Coalition, and she said yes), and then I asked her what ‘coalition means’. She
    couldn’t tell me, but she did transfer me to her supervisor. I asked him what
    the word means, and he asked me “would you like the Meriam Webster definition,
    or just my own?” and I told him I’d prefer to just hear his. That was when he
    spouted off what sounded like words read directly from the Ohio Troopers
    Coalition mission statement.

    I’m REALLY starting to not find this stuff amusing, anymore.

     

  • Bbearhunters

    Bunny:  The premise of your argument is vaccines are completely safe and effective.

    Meagan Crane:  Actually, the premise of my argument is that Bunny is not someone who should be writing such things.

    lol Bunny is always trying to judge people when she can’t win an argument.  NEAT!  :)
     

  • Laraine Abbey

     Meagan, do you really want others to be the arbiter of your right of speech and discourse? 
    You are espousing an elitist attitude in which your own freedom could be lost to you at the hands of another who thinks they know more than yourself.
    There is always someone who knows (or thinks she knows) more. Is this the kind of world you’d want for yourself?

  • Argus

    Umm . . . I think you are a few facts short here. Malaria is caused by a parasite that is much more complex than a bacteria or parasite and the body’s immune responseis not particularly effective against it. So having malaria once does not protect someone from a future infection – like the experience of your pastor friend.
    Work is being done to develop a vaccine for malaria, but none has been effective enough to be made commercially available.
    So either you pastor friend never received a vaccine, or he volunteered to try it on an experimental basis.
    What was your point, exactly?

  • argus

    typo – meant to say “much more complex than a bacteria or virus . . .”

  • Suuni Davis

    Headline News:
    Children were removed from their home in south side Burbank today following online reports that their parents may be illiterate. The incident came on the heels of several comments, websites, and other information posted on an internet discussion site by the parents and other concerned citizens themselves.
    County Officials have delayed in releasing an official statement, but a full report will be made available for the public after parents of the abused children have had opportunity to review.

  • Suuni Davis

    Breaking News:

    UPDATE!

    Depite the growing number of concerns pouring in from the community as to the validity of the allegations brought against parents of the children removed from their home in south Burbank last month the County defends its position.
    A spokesperson for the country agency has stepped forward to appease public concerns and explains that “Illiteracy is a growing trend among negligent parents,the science behind the facts is complicated, and the average person would be unqualified to interprete the data…. Both parents were separately administered 3 different tests in Greek and it was conclusively determined that the official prognosis was far worse than anyone could have imagined…. Not only were the parents actually illiterate, but they were unable to speak or verbally communicate in any fashion.” – Meagan Cran public relations and information specialist.
    The children remain in protective custody.

  • Suuni Davis

    Breaking News:

    UPDATE!

    Depite the growing number of concerns pouring in from the community as to the validity of the allegations brought against parents of the children removed from their home in south Burbank last month the County defends its position.
    A spokesperson for the country agency has stepped forward to appease public concerns and explains that “Illiteracy is a growing trend among negligent parents,the science behind the facts is complicated, and the average person would be unqualified to interprete the data…. Both parents were separately administered 3 different tests in Greek and it was conclusively determined that the official prognosis was far worse than anyone could have imagined…. Not only were the parents actually illiterate, but they were unable to speak or verbally communicate in any fashion.” – Meagan Cran public relations and information specialist.
    The children remain in protective custody.

  • Suuni Davis

    Breaking News:

    UPDATE!

    Depite the growing number of concerns pouring in from the community as to the validity of the allegations brought against parents of the children removed from their home in south Burbank last month the County defends its position.
    A spokesperson for the country agency has stepped forward to appease public concerns and explains that “Illiteracy is a growing trend among negligent parents,the science behind the facts is complicated, and the average person would be unqualified to interprete the data…. Both parents were separately administered 3 different tests in Greek and it was conclusively determined that the official prognosis was far worse than anyone could have imagined…. Not only were the parents actually illiterate, but they were unable to speak or verbally communicate in any fashion.” – Meagan Cran public relations and information specialist.
    The children remain in protective custody.

  • Suuni Davis

    Breaking News:

    UPDATE!

    Depite the growing number of concerns pouring in from the community as to the validity of the allegations brought against parents of the children removed from their home in south Burbank last month the County defends its position.
    A spokesperson for the country agency has stepped forward to appease public concerns and explains that “Illiteracy is a growing trend among negligent parents,the science behind the facts is complicated, and the average person would be unqualified to interprete the data…. Both parents were separately administered 3 different tests in Greek and it was conclusively determined that the official prognosis was far worse than anyone could have imagined…. Not only were the parents actually illiterate, but they were unable to speak or verbally communicate in any fashion.” – Meagan Cran public relations and information specialist.
    The children remain in protective custody.

  • Billbibb

    The Meningitis outbreak Bunny refers to:

    Case #1‐ March 9, 2011– Serogroup C
    16 year old male
    NOT immunized for meningococcalRecovered with some mental/behavioralchangesCase #2‐ March 17 , 2011 – SerogroupC24 year old maleNOT immunized for meningococcalLost both legs below the kneeCase #3 (1st outbreak case)‐ Nov. 11, 2011 –
    serogroup C
    20 year old pregnant female
    NOT immunized for meningococcal
    Lost second trimester pregnancyKidney failureLost portions of several fingersSome mental/memory changesCase #4‐ (2nd outbreak case)‐ Jan. 25, 2012Serogroup C5 ½ week old male‐Teen parents‐ NOT vaccinatedAlready hospitalized before diagnosis madeRecovered without obvious sequelae Case #5 (3rd outbreak case)‐ Jan 29, 2012
    17 year old female
    Graduated from high school early.
    NOTimmunized for meningococcal
    MD encouraged at every visit; parent (a hospitalpharmacist) “just hadn’t decided yet”Ill Saturday, diagnosed and hospitalized on Sunday.No obvious sequelae

  • Harveyiatl

    Hello.  Did you know a person is not resistant to antibiotics?  There is no such thing.  Change doctors immediately.

  • Harvey

    Why does the author say that outbreaks of meningitis are recent and rare?  Active surveillance   identified 191 clusters of meningococcal disease from 43 states that occurred 1994 through  2002. This averages over 20 outbreaks per year just in the US.

  • Harvey

    It would be nice if this self proclaimed expert would answer some of these very serious questions.  Or should we just assume these are anti vaccination scare tactics?

  • B. St. Marie

    Bill, you asked me:

     ”And.. please address what meningitis is..and the organisms..both those that are vaccinated against..and those that aren’t .. which cause the disease Bunny Dayelle St. Marie.. little Miss Expert.”In answer to your question:Meningitis is an inflammation of the meninges (or brain lining). It can be caused by viruses, bacteria, fungus, and even pharmaceutical products including vaccines. Does that sound fairly accurate Bill?  

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Polio was originally referred to as infantile paralysis. Though, the
    diagnostic label was renamed to aseptic meningitis. Source: Fields
    Virology

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Polio was originally referred to as infantile paralysis. Though, the
    diagnostic label was renamed to aseptic meningitis. Source: Fields
    Virology

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Interesting information, Bill.

    I want to point out a few things. First you are emphasizing these particular people were “NOT immunized”, implying vaccines would have immunized them. Vaccination does not equal immunization, does it?

    What scientific tests can be used to prove they would have been protected?

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Interesting information, Bill.

    I want to point out a few things. First you are emphasizing these particular people were “NOT immunized”, implying vaccines would have immunized them. Vaccination does not equal immunization, does it?

    What scientific tests can be used to prove they would have been protected?

  • Isaiah Gabriel Henry

    Hello, please help me find a charity or church organization that supports poor Africans without the use of vaccinations or drugs. How can I get in contact with some of the very poor families in Africa?
    Also, the CAPTCHA image for email contact is not loading.

    Thanks,
    Isaiah Gabriel Henry
    Email: utalking2me@gmail.com
    Phone: 845-480-0500