Court Awards $969,474.91 for MMR Vaccine Causing Boy’s Autism

Do vaccines cause autism? Many parents think so – and the story is very familiar to many of us. Parents often report their child regressing into an “autistic-like state” shortly after being vaccinated. This term has become broadly known as Autism Spectrum Disorder.

Health organizations such as the Centers for Disease Control and the Food and Drug Administration staunchly deny any possible link to vaccines. However, they may want to pay attention to a recent and important court ruling.

According to a document filed on December 13, 2012, Chief Special Master Patricia E. Campbell-Smith awarded Ryan B. Mojabi $969,474.91 for injuries caused by the MMR vaccine. [1] You should also know the money awarded comes from a vaccine tax and not from taking the vaccine manufacturers to court.

Page two of the filing declares Ryan suffered, “a severe and debilitating injury to his brain, described as Autism Spectrum Disorder (‘ASD’).” It continues, he “suffered a Vaccine Table Injury, namely, an encephalopathy as a result of his receipt of the MMR vaccination on December 19, 2003.” [1] (emphasis mine)

Encephalopathy is a swelling of the brain due to infection. Is it possible that autism goes by a different name?

If this is the first time you have seen or heard of the term encephalopathy, it may surprise you to see it used in the same context as autism. The big question you may have now is, Can vaccines cause encephalitis, or swelling of the brain?

The answer is yes.


A study entitled Unanswered Questions from the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program: A Review of Compensated Cases of Vaccine-Induced Brain Injury found the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) acknowledged 83 cases of vaccine-induced brain damage that include autism. [2] Many of these cases include encephalitis, or swelling of the brain.

One resource many doctors and health professionals use for research on health conditions is called The Merck Manual, published by Merck Pharmaceuticals.

The Merck Manual describes encephalitis as, “…inflammation of the brain that occurs when a virus directly infects the brain or when a virus or something else triggers inflammation.” [3]

The Merck Manual explains the causes of encephalitis as:

  1. “A virus directly infects the brain.
  2. A virus that caused an infection in the past becomes reactivated and directly damages the brain.
  3. A virus or vaccine triggers a reaction that makes the immune system attack brain tissue (an autoimmune reaction).” (emphasis mine) [3]

Parents have been telling doctors for years that their child became autistic after being vaccinated. Even the most basic scientific literature points to the vaccines as the trigger, so why is the big problem of vaccination being ignored?

If encephalitis and autism are related, you can see the huge problem vaccine manufacturers would have on their hands.

Maybe the real reason the1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was passed was to protect pharmaceutical companies from the growing tide of vaccine-injured children.

Under this law, no parent can sue a vaccine manufacturer.


Parents consistently report having a typically healthy child prior to being vaccinated. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) has already recognized vaccine-induced brain damage, including autism, as a vaccine injury.

I’m glad Ryan Mojabi was awarded a large amount of money as his life and his family will never be the same. I suspect there are many other children suffering the same fate he did. The sad truth is that many more thousands of children who are injured by vaccines will never be compensated.

If you decide to vaccinate your children, you do so at your own risk. No vaccine manufacturer is liable for your child’s vaccine-related injury or death from a recommended vaccine.

[contentbox headline=”Acknowledgement” type=”info”]I would like to thank the Autism Action Network who initially reported and alerted me to this court case. [4][/contentbox]


[contentbox headline=”References” type=”normal”]
  1. http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/CAMPBELL-SMITH.MOJABI-PROFFER.12.13.2012.pdf
  2. http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/pelr/vol28/iss2/6/
  3. http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/neurologic_disorders/brain_infections/encephalitis.html
  4. http://capwiz.com/a-champ/issues/alert/?alertid=62329506


Photo Credit


Jeffry John Aufderheide

Jeffry John Aufderheide is the father of a child injured as a result of vaccination. As editor of VacTruth.com, he promotes well-educated health professionals, informed consent, and full disclosure and accountability of adverse reactions to vaccines.

  • Jennifer Hutchinson


    Since the first Vaccine Injury Compensation claims were made
    in 1989, 3,110 compensation payments have been made, $2,389,329,250.45
    disbursed to petitioners and $94,604,103.72 paid to cover attorney’s fees and
    other legal costs. To date, 9,785 claims have been dismissed. Of those, 3,982
    claimants were paid $52,680,057.05 to cover attorney’s fees and other legal

    That’s from http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data.html.

    But vaccines are safe, right?

  • Michelle

    Thanks for your continued ground breaking news on vaccines. You are providing an amazing public service.

  • Emerann

    I advice anyone reading these reports to be an informed individual. Be careful reading biased ideas. If you’d like to hear another side or opinion, Paul Offit is a great author on this subject. Make sure you look into both sides before assuming vaccines aren’t safe, make a wise decision.

  • fireflylnu

    I absolutely witnessed exactly what is described in this article. I saw my friends little boy running a very high fever for 5 days after having a forced immunization shot sit on her lap and stare off into space completely disconnected from everything around him. This started just hours after the freakin shot. It was so unbelievably scary hoping and praying for the fever to finally break and hoping and praying there was no permanent damage. His behavior is definitely different and we still are not sure if he may one day be diagnosed with Aspergers.

  • Living_proof444

    Didn’t see any biased ideas on this subject just the continued increase of vaccine injury that you would like to dismiss. I just love when people continue to come in a dismiss vaccine injury and treat us parents like we are stupid..more so when brain injury and death continue to increase all over the world with thousands of parents crying out after their children have been damaged from vaccines. Usually I find the only people who care to comment/dismiss on this vaccine subject haven’t been through what we have been through! Our children aren’t put on this planet to be experimented on nor are they here for your biased ideas on our children’s health Emerann. Hasn’t Paul Offit he been brought and paid for by the vaccines companies?

  • Living_proof444

    Hey Jeffery great website/information, however, just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem but just want to mention that I find that this website won’t show when using the vactruth.com or  doing a google search for it? The only way I can access it it through my email link? cheers

  • Royceehawkins

    I wish I could find a lawyer to take my case. I was a healthcare worker and forced to chose between my job and the flu vaccine. I had never had one before. I tried to fight it but in the end I needed my job. I have been on disability almost 2 years now after a bad reaction to the vaccine. I have developed MS and depression and a whole slew of other issues since then. I now can not even walk while it took all this time coming up with a diagnosis. I kept hearing that it was a coincidence that all this started happening after the vaccine. It started with in hours of the shot I don’t think there is any other reason,.

  •  Hi @4a7932d1a57cd0749dcb693cda3e7483:disqus,

    There shouldn’t be a problem with the website – check your browser and clear the cache. Thanks for reading.

  • Thank you for the comment, Jennifer.

    Vaccines are unavoidably unsafe. Parents are told they are absolutely required with very minimal explanations of the risks – they are downplayed most of the time. Many parents report emotional responses from medical professionals when challenged to provide scientific data and tests showing vaccines are safe.

  • @635a85462fdf6f282a89e1137d360238:disqus – without readers and supporters like you, none of this would be possible. Thank you.

  • I agree – look at both sides of this issue and especially look at what Paul Offit has to say on the matter. I think parents can sniff BS when they see it – especially when this man says infants can safely get 10,000 vaccines at once.


    They should also consider the information presented here:

  • The best we can do is keep sharing these stories with other parents. Thank you for your comment – I appreciate you sharing your story.

  • V4V

    Emerann – Paul Offit is bought and paid for by Big Pharma.  After 15 years of research and personal experiences, not just a cursory glance, I have determined vaccines are unsafe and, in fact, dangerous.  A wise decision would be to decline these toxic substances from being injected directly into the body.

  • Gayle

    Dr Hulda Clark, research scientist from Canada, now deceased, developed a system of zapping on specific frequencies. There is a frequency for measles vaccine. When my 11-year-old grandson was a little guy he started having severe skin, intestinal, brain issues and we traced it to his vaccines after  reading some research findings that were just coming out. We programmed a zapper for measles vaccine and for ascaris and we zapped him regularly after that and saw significant improvement. For years after that, whenever he started having facial tics, my daughter would zap him and the tics would go away. In our minds we are sure he was damaged by his measles vaccine  and we just praise the Lord that he was only basically left with a little bit halting speech and a tendency to turn away from a hug. It could have been a lot worse.

  • Diane

    Dr. Andrew Wakefield ~ BREAKING NEWS ~ MMR Vaccine / Autism Link Confirmedhttp://youtu.be/4mmVzXnPrvc

  • Diane

    http://youtu.be/4mmVzXnPrvc ———— Dr. Andrew Wakefield ~ BREAKING NEWS ~ MMR Vaccine / Autism Link Confirmed

  • AussieMum

    How many more compensation claims are required before the government recognises the cause of Autism?

    We need to see this type of action here in Australia!


  • Collins

    Question Everything
    I am amazed on a daily basis when I hear about another friend/acquaintance of mine with at least one child with autism. I am an RN and most of my co-workers have at least one child with autism. When I look back on my family tree…there is no autism or children with any deficits. How did this grow into such an epidemic so fast! These people have all vaccinated their children and most believe the vaccines have nothing to do with the autism. Now we are being forced, as health care workers, to get the flu vaccine. I opted out and happily wear a mask. I am sickened every day about these issues and all I picture is a crowd of starry eyed sheep getting needles shoved into them. Why are so many educated people so blind!!

  • Diane

    Thank you for sharing that.   As an RN I hope people will listen to your words of wisdom.   Most health practitioners push these programs and as you say, the starry eyed sheep continue to roll up their sleeves without question.   Perhaps it’s the *fluoride* in our water over that last half century that has dumbed down an entire population.

  •  Paul Offit and his propaganda has caused the continued death and harm to a generation of children while he profited from their misery.

  • Rusty

    The best thing you can do is detox your body till you are back to normal and then get on with your life, but let everyone you can know about what happened and what you did to beat it. Get in touch with a man called Don Tolman (google him- he wears a big black hat) and he will help you. If you can’t get him, I’ll be happy to help with reccomendations. [email protected]

  • Once again, the existing scientific studies do tell the story of the mechanisms of harm of vaccines, and as well the link to ASD. It is not just one vaccine nor just one vaccine ingredient. There is a as well clarly more than enough existing science to show the connection between the MMR vaccine and ASD. Why is the CDC allowed to continue to only accept the epidemiological studies that they have funded, while ignoring the bulwark of existing science that is not in their favor? Why are they at the CDC allowed to continue to control all the information that the public is allowed to consider? Why are they allowed to yet do this, in light of an epidemic number of now known at least 1 in 88 children which have the label of having ASD? How and why is it allowed to be claimed as well that all the needed science and safety studies are in and that there is shown no connection to vaccines; when the only studies conducted have been on only one vaccine and on vaccine ingredient,(the MMR, and thiomerosal)? 

    Callous Disregard-Research


    Dr. Wakefield on Alex Jones Talks With Mike Adams About the Recent Awards Given Children with Autism as a Result of the MMR Vaccine

    The Vaccine Damage – Science (a sample collection of)

    How about the use of vaccines manufactured by the use of human diploid tissue? Where are the safety studies on that? Where the the safety studies on combined vaccines? And they tel us all the needed science is in and that time after time, the science shows no link. How much mislead ignorance does it take to actually believe that claim? 

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)

    How about vaccine shedding, and the claim that unvaccinated children are a risk to vaccinated children. Nothing could actually be further from the truth.

    Post Vaccination – Vaccine Targeted Strain – Viral and Bacterial Pathogen – Shedding

    The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity

    Nothing is enough, nor ever will be enough. They are NEVER going to admit and they all know how much they have to lose, and how much liability they face. And the for profit and to much to lose insanity of it all, is in the evil fact that no one can be sued; not pharma, not the CDC, not any pediatrician, no one. Total exemption for liability in every way. What other form of manufacturing of a so called health care product, enjoys that protection. It doesn’t exist.

    In our world today. Evil mascarades as good, and falsely promotes the lies and misinformation, as truth. Truth then becomes (if promoted,) falsely labeled as only tin foil hat conspiracy theories, and mislead quackery; while the real quackery goes on unabated. This is the battle between good and evil. Total deception.

  • Thank you God….I am soooo glad to hear this and will be sharing as I work with these children.

  • Sarahbrown

    You need a good chelation therapy

  • My son nearly died from the MMR and developed autism in 2001. Over 10,000 logged hours of research, our book ‘The Journey Home from Autism’ and my son is now considered gifted. The COVER-UP by the CDC and those sleeping with the CDC makes me ill.

    But, worse (if possible to imagine) are those (Brian Deers of the world) who continue to sell their souls for the price of our children’s lives. We may NEVER fully recover from the years of trauma my son went through but life’s mission is to TRY!

    By-the-way, a friend of mine (a former nurse) ended up in ICU following a flu vaccine. She was given another drug that nearly landed her in the phych ward. The next shot nearly killed her. She lost her job, her marriage and (basically) her life. She has now been diagnosed with POTS. She had NEVER been seriously ill prior to this and now, at 30 years old, she is disabled – thanks to the toxic flu vaccine.

  • I’m a doctor and profess: Vaccines aren’t safe!

  • DianeDi

    Study finds higher levels of several toxic metals in children with autism


    “A statistical analysis was conducted to determine if the levels of toxic
    metals were associated with autism severity, using three different
    scales of autism severity. It was found that 38-47 percent of the
    variation of autism severity was associated with the level of several
    toxic metals, with cadmium and mercury being the most strongly

  • DianeDi

    Study finds higher levels of several toxic metals in children with autism


    “It was found that 38-47 percent of the
    variation of autism severity was associated with the level of several
    toxic metals, with cadmium and mercury being the most strongly

  • DianeDi

    Study finds higher levels of several toxic metals in children with autism


  • misrepresented for 12 years

    question “Under this law, no parent can sue a vaccine manufacturer.”
    This does not include the client its self right?

  • Aron Smith

    Yes, vaccines may cause autism and many other health problems because
    they drive the immune system in the opposite direction than what nature
    would do

  • Patrick

    You’re misquoting the opinion. The judge did not find causation. The quoted portion from the decision was referring to the plaintiff’s allegations, not any findings of causation. The rules require compensation when certain adverse events happen within a certain time period of vaccination, without delving into whether the vaccination was actually the cause of the adverse event.

  • Kent

    no one’s liable?


    wow look at that government run compensation program to help vaccine injured patients. Maybe, JUST MAYBE you people could try doing legit research before you post your mis-informed scare tactic bullshit.

  • Archie
  • Dd

    VACCINES ~ Mary Tocco ~ Explains Everything YOU Need To Know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDYb1iDG4nQ

    Share this important information with soon to be moms!

  • Kris T

    there is a petition I signed to change this law I will try and attach it here. Read it and if you agree sign it. The only way to change. My son at age 14 was injured by the Hep-B vaccine he has never been the same since. I told the doctors over and over and they dismissed me now the 3 year window is closed. My son is 23 and we were told at age 20 that he had post -infectious encepalopathy and PANDAS along with Autism which he did not get that DX till age 17. Makes me so angry and his younger brother Tdap at age 14. Both are now sick as can be with several different autoimmune illnesses, both missed all of HS and college and are unable to work but do not qualify for SSI or SSDI. Great system we have here. Here is the petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/rep-john-boehner-repeal-the-national-childhood-injury-act-of-1986?share_id=GBSPKcwyKt&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_medium=facebook&utm_


    The link to the court case is no longer working. The suppression machinery is in motion.

  • Lin

    Encephalitis in not autism nor can it cause autism, it can cause a brain injury which can lead to similar symptoms, maybe. There is no proof or correlation of vaccines causing encephalitis, the cases are far too few and it happens more often outside of the time frame of “vaccine blame” that it is most likely caused by something else and a coincidence when it happens after a vaccine. You are more likely to get measles, mumps, and/or rubella without the vaccine than you are to suffer any serious effects with the vaccine. I’m not a doctor yet, but I am about finished with my degree in neuroscience and starting med school next year AND I’ve grown up with a health nut on all organic foods and homeopathic remedies and know most of the ins and outs of the homeopathic and science world, and I have to say this whole anti-vaccine movement is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard of and not only are you putting your own children in danger, but other children as well. Vaccines are not 100%, they work a lot with “herd immunity” and reach the near 100% only if everyone is vaccinated, so your non-vaccinated child is still a danger to someone’s vaccinated child. Do research before you buy into propaganda, and by research I mean REAL research, peer review journals and all that jazz, not “vaccinesarebad.com” or whatever/wherever this crap is coming from. And ask REAL health professionals their opinions, REAL as in went through medical school. If you want a more holistic approach on medicine, talk to an osteopathic doctor (a DO instead of an MD), I can guarantee that every one will have the same stance on vaccines.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Seriously?? are you joking right?? Complete and utter nutter aren’t you?? You want us to have faith in the medical profession with some one like you having a medical degree??Herd immunity?? really 100%?? your really are showing your intelligence now?? You don’t realised that your programed to believe the above crap but you label your self more important that a mother who has to deal with an industry which actually doesn’t give a shit about the increase of autisim/brain injury only enough to make more money out it. I would like to say more up here but have to go and live in the real world of dealing with people who know very little about the subject like you??I am a mother who’s son developed Encephalitis after vaccination with 2 other children in our town?? however they are now labeled autistic?? It’s all brain injury no matter what label you place on it??Your a self important person who believes you know everything and you don’t!! Pop down and have all the vaccines that a child has to have now days in the child dose and not the diluted adult dose and we will see who is still talking then??

  • G Jeffrey Allen

    did You mean to imply the program is not being used or something? looking at year to date from september 2013 it shows about $4,777,000.00 paid to civil courts – and if You look at february 2014 year to date they have almost $50M in the trust right now… This has gone on since it started and billions have been paid in claims for vaccine related injuries. I disagree with “fear mongering” as much as anyone – I have a Medical degree – and I also have a Child who was irreparably changed after getting shots as a toddler. Until You have seen it You really can tote the flag of “herd immunity” and safety as loud as You want – it does not change the FACT that something happens to some children and EVEN MORE OFTEN the non vaccinated kids DO NOT SPREAD THE FUCKING VACCINATED AGAINST ILLNESSES. Those stats are readily available so take a look – the so called recent “outbreak of measles in NYC” yea – a city over 3 million people – 49 cases – holy shit balls ! a fucking epidemic…. If Your kid got the shots what the FUCK exactly harm do the non vaccinated kids cause? If there is an outbreak located the non vaccinated kids are TAKEN OUT of school for minimum of 9 weeks – whether they show any signs or evidence of having contracted anything (Palm Beach County FL) so Really whats the problem beyond You believing one is right and the other is wrong…?

  • JustJessiD

    Tell that to my seven year old son who was born perfectly healthy as well as his twin brother, but after getting the MMR vaccine at 2 1/2 is now considered Autistic. He was never the same after getting that shot. My son became a zombie after that shot. and do you think you so called doctors have done anything to try and help him? not one damn thing! your totally brain washed if you think the vaccines have nothing to do with it…. I have 6 children.. only one received the MMR vaccine. Guess which one?

  • BabyDoctor

    Wow, anyone can write anything on the interent these days and be considered an “expert”?! This artical is so full of logical errors and misinformation it does not deserve a rebuttal.

  • That’s exactly what your passive-aggressive comment is. However, I doubt you are capable of getting past an emotional rebuttal.

  • sheeitne.gro

    You realize that Autism can pop up after being born… right?

  • Diane Prima

    What do you mean ? ” REAL,” as in, ordained in the ‘church of vaccines’.? Nowhere is there any substantial studies that follow true scientific methodology. The studies shown by pharma’s paid-off, snake oil
    scientists are flawed, and they have never done a double blind placebo. Also, the heads of any of these vaccine industries (churches) would never inject any of their own poison, for themselves or their children…truth ! .

  • BeStrong

    Wow, “Baby Doctor”, you say that the article doesn’t deserve a rebuttal because you are unable to deliver one.

    In the United States Court of Federal Claims OFFICE OF SPECIAL MASTERS Filed: December 13, 2012

    Petitioners specifically asserted that Ryan B. Mojabi “suffered a Vaccine Table Injury, namely, an encephalopathy” as a result of his receipt of the MMR vaccination on December 19, 2003. In the alternative, petitioners asserted that “as a cumulative result of his receipt of each and every vaccination between March 25, 2003 and February 22, 2005, Ryan has suffered . . . neuroimmunologically mediated dysfunctions in the form of asthma and ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder).”


  • Christian Exerath Crowley

    i have been wanted to do this,everyone noticed i started acted differently after i got a vaccine,at 15 i was diagnosed with aspergers syndrome,a high functioning form of autism.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Yes usually very shortly after a child has been vaccinated. Why is there no autism in the unvaccinated, also no SID?? Because in unvaccinated children the cause is always found????

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Thank you for sharing your story Christian it’s incredibly negligent what has happened to you, I hope one day you are to be compensated for the damage caused ! :(

  • Leanne for informed choice

    How much do they pay you to come up with thought system?? Anyone with half a brain can read medical science behind vaccines and it’s recorded by the vaccine companies that vaccines cause autism??

  • Dd

    Vaccine Safety Tricks and Tips—
    Important Information to Protect Your Family from Pharma Fraud

    Vaccine Excipient (Inactive Ingredients) & Media Summary

  • I got the MMR vaccine when I was two and a half. I was diagnosed with aspergers in 2009 after I failed out of DigiPen, Institute of Technology in 2006. I live 45 minutes north of San Francisco in Sebastopol, CA. Who is a good lawyer I can talk to about pursuing legal action?

  • JustJessiD

    yeah, it usually does. I dont think they can test for that while still in the mama’s tummy or vaccinate while still in the womb. Autism does not just POP up either, If my son were born that way, there would have been signs much younger than 2 1/2. Not immediately after getting vaccinated.

  • Ryan c1983

    I had a stroke or right brain damage in 1988 at 5 after my kindergarten vaccines do I have recourse ? I remain paralyzed and my quality of life has severely suffered.

  • tori

    Total crap this never happened.

  • Torgo

    Sasquatch abducted me to save me from vaccination brain stuff.
    I like living in a cave.
    My helicopter has Eels in it.
    Any advice?

  • JustJessiD

    Autism does not just “pop up”. If that were the case, why does it not just “pop up” in adults?? It does not just spontaneously happen.My son did not become Autistic till he was almost 3 and received the MMR vaccine. Up until then he was talking, playing, doing everything his twin brother did. In other words he was growing, developing and learning at the same pace as his twin. Just like his 3 older brothers did. Right on track. Then he got that shot. From that day on he stopped talking, started having seizures, walked around like a lil zombie. His doctors gave me every excuse in the book as to why it could not have possibly been from the shots. In some it may take a little longer for the brain to be affected by the mercury. You can go to the CDC’s own website and the signs for autism and mercury poisoning are exactly the same. Although they refuse to acknowledge that.

  • Dd

    EVERYONE – There is a MEDIA BLACKOUT on this information. There has been a CDC whistleblower Dr. William Thompson, that is speaking up about the coverup and fraud in relation to a peer reviewed study he and others did on the MMR vaccine causing autism.

    Sr. Govn’t Scientist breaks 13 yr. silence on CDC’s Vaccine-Autism FRAUD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGOtDVilkUc

    CDC Responds: Admits Omitting Vaccine Data

    Dr. Andrew Wakefield breaks silence on #CDCWhistleblower

  • Dd

    EVERYONE Please watch and share –

    There is a MEDIA BLACKOUT on this information. There has
    been a CDC whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson, that is speaking up about
    the coverup and fraud in relation to a peer reviewed study he and
    others scientists did on the MMR vaccine causing autism.

    Sr. Govn’t Scientist breaks 13 yr. silence on CDC’s Vaccine-Autism FRAUD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGOtDVilkUc

    CDC Responds: Admits Omitting Vaccine Data

    Dr. Andrew Wakefield breaks silence on #CDCWhistleblower

  • Dd

    There is a MEDIA BLACKOUT on this information. There has
    been a CDC whistleblower Dr. William Thompson, that is speaking up about the coverup and fraud in relation to a peer reviewed study he and
    others did on the MMR vaccine causing autism.

    Sr. Govn’t Scientist breaks 13 yr. silence on CDC’s Vaccine-Autism FRAUD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGOtDVilkUc

    CDC Responds: Admits Omitting Vaccine Data

    Dr. Andrew Wakefield breaks silence on #CDCWhistleblower

  • aussie

    as parents we are vertualy told we have to vaccinate our kids…if we dont we get penalized etc…even schools demand they have all sorts of vaccines …if u dont get them done we are bad and if we do we hurt our kids…in reality if we are told we have no choice even thought they say its up to the parents its really the govt and the people who give the vaccines out that are at fault…parents go on what they are told 2 by our govt and schools…and health care centres…my son has autism spectrum disorder/aspergers plus other illnessess…what are we meant to do…i also suffer adhd…austism spectrum and other effects aswell but ive lived my life thinking it was me and my chemical make up as ive been told for years…im 45 n my son is now 13…i was vaccinated at early age from round 1-2 yrs of age …

  • Nunya

    Hi JustJessiD. My son went thru the same thing as yours but at 6 months. He had just started to speak & was doing so in two languages when he got his 6 month vaccine & two weeks later was in the ER, got admitted, acquired a latex allergy & lost his speech.

    The thing that I have learned is that had we done a genetics test then he might have been spared this injury. It appears that many of the kids w/ autism have a gene mutation in their MTHFR gene which predisposes them to autism among other conditions. In fact, I just found a study that many kids w/ autism share the C677T gene defect. Have your son tested & your family to see if they are carriers. This mutation gets passed down.

    If you all do have this gene mutation, look into the MTHFR Basic Treatment Protocol by Dr. Lynch.


  • Marcie Johnston

    PARENTS NEED TO EDUCATE OTHER PARENTS!!!!! Only way this nightmare will stop!

  • bob
  • hismama

    Gayle, what do you mean by zapped?

  • Ashley

    Yeah, because its totally impossible for ANYONE to have a reaction to one of the many things they put in vaccines. Oh please. Hope to God nothing ever happens to your child.

  • brothersun

    If you don’t take the Italian courts seriously, then review this long list of US compensated vaccine-injury cases. And these are just from one law firm! http://www.mctlawyers.com/vaccine-injury/cases

  • brothersun

    Actually, it’s vaccinesarevile.com

  • angie m

    Yay! Yay! I can get hundreds of thousands of dollars for something that occurs after a vaccine!! Since a baby gets Hep B at birth we can blame EVERY illness on vaccines! Come on, people. Also, 87 cases out of millions of vaccines administered??? None of us with children want ANYTHING bad to happen to our kids but that includes Vaccine-preventable viral and bacterial diseases that can kill.

  • Dorito Reiss

    How many “coincidences” does it take before a DUMB doctor realizes it’s NOT coincidence?

  • Dorito Reiss

    PS. Plenty of MDs and DOs think vaccines are crap.

  • Dorito Reiss

    Yeah, let’s believe a doctor who poisons patients with chemo and radiation when he talks about how wonderful it is to poison babies with vaccines. Orac is a class A sh*tbag.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Real funny angie m there are thousands of children being
    damaged and have died but the medical profession refuse to recognize us(check out Youtube on vaccine damaged) however, the government and medical profession silence us with the very emotive label of the Anti vaccine lobby :) It’s guaranteed to stop people listening to us and cause massive fear, hate, discrimination and segregation in communities. When my son had his serious adverse reaction from his vaccinations at 4 months the doctor who vaccinated him refused to report my son’s reaction saying he believed in vaccines?? He didn’t know the ingredients of the vaccines or give me leaflet in the vaccine package that states all the serious adverse reactions and long term effects documented. Before my innocent defenseless baby was given the vaccines. My doctor
    “believe” I should still vaccinate my son even if it meant death for
    the sake of my community? I had waited 15 years to have my son?? I wrote a letter into our local paper(surprised it was published) and was contacted by a government scientist whose 9 year old son died from Leukemia. This man was looking for answers as any concerned parent would do and already being a scientist he researched this subject thoroughly and found that once cancer was so rare in our country that it was never heard of in children only in the aged community,however, he found massive increase in childhood cancers since introduction vaccination in the last hundred years? I’m sure if you opened your mind to the fact and researched this subject you too would find similar information. He also mentioned the Vit K shot. Worse he also said cancer is fast becoming epidemic in children.This scientist said that most of the diseases we where vaccinating for had declined before the introduction and where still declining because of clean water, better hygiene, nutrition and living conditions. Let’s take a look at Scarlet Fever and the Black plague no vaccines ever created yet they disappeared? Few months ago I was talking to a head nurse at one of the biggest children’s hospitals in our country and she is hugely concerned that cancer rates in children here had tripled in the last few years?? Honestly I feel the only way you would learn the truth of the matter is by popping on in and get the all scheduled considered totally safe childhood vaccinations over a 12 month period angie m :) I’m hoping you live in the US because they have the highest amount of vaccines given to babies and children, however, please make sure they are in the child dose and not the diluted adult dose :) we see who still holding on to their belief systems then sweety :) Just thought I would include this information on Thiomersal remember is only one of the chemicals in vaccines however, knock yourself out on reading up on the others ingredients Aluminium and Formaldehyde. The problem is ya just can’t make this shit up it’s real and disturbingly alarming!!

    Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with a danger of cumulative effects. It is also very toxic to aquatic organisms and may cause long-term adverse effects in aquatic environments (EC hazard symbol
    N).[12] In the body, it is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+)and thiosalicylate.[4]

    Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Cases have been reported of severe poisoning by accidental exposure or attempted suicide, with some fatalities.[13] Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown. Fecal excretion accounts for most of the elimination from the body. Ethylmercury clears from blood with a half-life of about 18 days in adults. Ethylmercury is eliminated from the brain in about 14 days in infant monkeys. Risk assessment for effects on the nervous system have been made by extrapolating from dose-response relationships
    for methylmercury.[14] Methylmercury and ethylmercury distributes to all body tissues, crossing the blood–brain barrier and the placental barrier, and ethylmercury also moves freely throughout the body.[15] Concerns based on extrapolations from methylmercury caused thiomersal to be removed from U.S.childhood vaccines, starting in 1999. [14] Though inorganic mercury metabolized from ethylmercury has a much longer half-life in the brain, at least 120 days.

  • Dd

    Leanne – that was very well stated. Thank you for helping to educate others.

  • Mother

    The principle at my Daughters special education school told me (30 years ago). that the school had many many many children who had been damaged by vaccines, I was surprised, I change my Daughters diaper as needed, feed her, medicate her, wash her, lift her into her wheel chair, etc, etc, etc…daily, every day for the past 37 years. I was told by a pederiatric neurologist that a severe reaction (brain injury) from the then current DPT shot occurs once in every 1000 doses and since each child received a total of 5 DPT shots (thirty years ago), that equaled one severely brain damaged child for every 200 vaccines. The general public doesn’t realize the numbers damaged, because the damaged people attend special schools, live in special facilities or with their families.

  • Lin

    First of all, it’s “you’re” as in “you are,” not a possessive “your.” Second, I’ve worked midnights all weekend and just wrote a presentation to teach to a 300 college level research class, and I decided to read all of these replies for the first time, and I’m feeling a little stressed and vindictive, so I decided to grace you with a reply after my close friend (who is finishing her doctoral dissertation in neuroscience and also says I’m feeding “the troll”) and I read through all the replies and had a good laugh. This is in reply to just about everything I read. 1. Autism doesn’t usually show definite symptoms till toddler age (there has been some research on eye tracking when they are younger, but I’m not going into that, plus a lot of times you will not realize there is something wrong until you have a typical child) and many times they seem like they regress. 2. I’m young enough that I’ve had the same vaccinations as your child (minus the varicella that they are offering now) plus others that they don’t give anymore (polio) and extra for traveling to third world countries (meningitis, hep A and typhoid), and I get a flu shot every year. I’m fine, even better, I never developed these diseases (sometimes I still get the flu, but there are many strains of it and they create the vaccines based on the most prevalent, but I haven’t been hospitalized for the flu since I’ve started getting the shot every year). 3. It’s always a risk since I’ve developed serum sickness and I’ve a tendency to severe allergic reactions (which were present before my first vaccine), but the benefits outweigh the risk. 4. In fact, I developed a sever allergy in the third week of using a prophylaxis malaria drug, but I would never tell anyone to not use it because of my extremely rare reaction. I wouldn’t even tell you to not use sulfa, an incredibly common antibiotic class and not so uncommon allergy, because the benefits outweigh the risks. 5. If you refuse vaccines, might as well not use antibiotics or any other medications including otc, because the risk of severe adverse effects from those drugs a way higher than the risk of severe adverse effects of vaccinations. Actually, just move into a bubble, with no man made anything, no processed anything, don’t eat fish, only raw produce that hasn’t been touched by humans, and don’t come in contact with anyone or animals or bugs, and you might be okay.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    And what you don’t think I work?? I work with people with severe brain injuries Lin for the past 12 years and in this last fortnight I have work over 90 hours with many night shifts included? Again you show your ignorance and lack of respect and compassion for people(I find this normal for people who think they know everything) who have had very real problems with vaccines. Your the only troll here sweety :) after reading your post laugh all you want Lin your writing is almost like a mad scientist :)

  • Jimmy

    I believe the increase of cancer in children in the recent years is due to the wide spread of mobile phone and wireless network because they are so new to our society. Oh, I was joking. But hope you see the flaws in your own arguments.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    I’m not into belief systems Jimmy, and it doesn’t take one long to see you popped on to comment because your so knowledgeable on the subject? What part would you consider my fabulous flaws??

  • Leanne for informed choice

    No Ashley your too nice, I’m getting to the point where I hope people like tori and Torgo think that vaccine reactions, including brain damage and death don’t happen, that they all line up and jab themselves senseless :) with the US childhood vaccines schedule and not the diluted adult dose, we will see who is still making comments then :)

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Just wanted to up date things that are happening in Australia towards vaccines causing brain damage and death. RE: I know that people think adverse reactions to vaccines is rare(?), however, over the years I noticed that it was extremely hard to get the media to report such reactions when they did occur including brain damage and death until the last few years?? The media was at stand point where they would only interview people on TV that they could make look like fruit loops?? The media never put a pro choice medical doctor(there are quite a few pro choice doctors in Australia) unless they could record them previously then place a main stream doctor who proceeded to discredit the views of the pro choice doctor leaving the public to believe people who choose not the vaccinate where either all lazy and/or nut cases. The truth be known is that people who choose not to vaccinate for various reasons I have found are usually well educated on the subject and don’t operate on “belief systems” because they(like myself) search extensively for the truth through many months/years of scientific medical research. So I just want to share the latest young father who became paralyzed 12 days after being forced to have the Whooping Cough vaccine in 2012 otherwise the hospital refused to let his see his new born baby?? This man’s paralysis has been acknowledged it was caused by the vaccine by both hospital and government, however, they refuse to pay compensation?? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153037985863910&set=gm.581526321991578&type=1&pnref=story

    The following posts in comments underneath are 2 other Australian children baby Saba who was brain damaged experimental flu vaccine and her parents were paid over 11 million in compensation recently?

    The other little girl died after given the same experimental flu vaccine in 2011 http://www.news.com.au/national/flu-shot-fatality-toddler-dies-12-hours-after-having-vaccination/story-e6frfkvr-1225857872979. The alarming point of this is that the parents weren’t told the Flu vaccine was experimental?? This same Flu vaccine is now placed on our immunisation schedule for children over 10 and adults??

  • AutismDad

    jimmy has his head up his rear

  • AutismDad

    Do your best. You are not alone.

  • AutismDad

    Yea screw off

  • AutismDad

    Do your best. Find people who support you and keep up with current news. Possibly there is a class action lawsuit you could join.

  • AutismDad

    So you have nothing. Some rebuttal

  • AutismDad


  • AutismDad

    Your story is the norm for thousands. The born with it and the coincidence explanations are aimed at stupid sheeple that will return for more vaccines and never ask for compensation.

  • AutismDad

    Genetic testing (Genome Project) found 3% inherited to be the most found. Leaving 97% unknown cause but certainly NOT INHERITED.

  • AutismDad

    The NVICP has compensated for gene mutation from a vaccine or vaccines. Aluminum hydroxide, thimerosal, polysorbate 80, and formaldehyde are all neurotoxic, genotoxic, mutogenic and endocrine disruptors and can cause SPONTANEOUS GENE MUTATION.

  • AutismDad

    You admit to being victimized over and over but are too naive to put it all together. So any advice you have for us is not only unwanted, but I wouldn’t trust you as my doctor either. I’m in shock wondering how many victims you will leave in your wake as a doctor. Frightening.

  • AutismDad

    ORAC is a sack of ———- fill in the blank

  • AutismDad

    And that protects the vaccine’s reputation.

  • Dan LaLande

    If you don’t vaccinate your children, you are putting them and everyone around them at risk. Just because a judge is hopelessly ignorant on the issue that does not validate your point, and ignorantly claiming a completely different disorder as part of the Autism spectrum is just horrific and insulting.

  • Dan LaLande

    Blaming someone else for your problems might be comforting to you, but you are putting the lives of children at risk by claiming vaccines caused them.

  • Dan LaLande

    The CDC “whistleblower” is a proven fraud, like all the other claims about a link between autism and vaccines.


    Don’t let your children needlessly die because of your ignorance. You are endagering their lives, not protecting them.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Of course I’m sure making a statement like that your completely up to date with every vaccine available?? Predicted one child in two will be autistic by 2025?? Cancer now the expected childhood disease?? No your the one who is insulting us with your lack of intelligence and your the one who is completely ignorant!! Your speaking to a parent who knows very well what happened to her child immediately after vaccination. Holding a seriously ill child never leaves your soul knowing that I had vaccinated without even knowing the ingredients of vaccines which many are dangerous carcinogens ?? I no longer trust medical profession or their research and will never vaccinate again, however, you welcomed to duck out and jab your self senseless with list of recommended scheduled childhood vaccines :)

    Vaccine Ingredient: Formaldehyde
    This is used in vaccines as a tissue fixative, and a preservative. Formaldehyde is oxidized to become formic acid. Formic acid is the main ingredient of bee and ant venom. Concentrated, it is corrosive and an irritant. While absorbing the oxygen of the body, it may lead to acidosis, nerve, liver, and kidney damage. According to the National Research Council, fewer than 20% but perhaps more than 10% of the general population may be susceptible to extreme formaldehyde toxicity, and may react to exposure at any level. Formaldehyde is ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds on ecosystems and human health, according to the Environmental Defense Fund. These findings are for environmental exposure, and therefore, the dangers are much greater for the formaldehyde included in vaccines, since it is injected directly into the blood. The known side effects of formaldehyde are:
    • Eye, nasal, throat and pulmonary irritation
    • Acute sense of smell due to altered tissue proteins
    • Anaemia
    • Apathy
    • Blindness
    • Blood in urine
    • Blurred vision
    • Pain
    • Bronchial spasms
    • Bronchitis
    • Burns in sinus area and throat
    • Cardiac impairment
    • Palpitations and arrhythmias
    • Central nervous system depression
    • Changes in higher cognitive functions
    • Chemical sensitivity
    • Chest pains and tightness
    • Chronic vaginitis; colds
    • Coma
    • Conjunctivitis
    • Constipation
    • Convulsions
    • Corneal erosion
    • Death
    • Destruction of red blood cells
    • Depression
    • Dermatitis

    • Diarrhoea

    • Difficulty concentrating

    • Disorientation and dizziness

    • Ear aches

    • Eczema

    • Emotional upsets

    • Ethmoid polyps

    • Fatigue

    • Fecula bleeding

    • Foetal asphyxiation

    • Flu­like or ‘common cold’ illness

    • Frequent urination with pain

    • Gastritis

    • Astrointestinal inflammation

    • Headaches

    • Haemolytic anaemia

    • Haemolytic haematuria

    • Hoarseness

    • Hyperactive airway disease

    • Hyperactivity

    • Hypomenstrual syndrome

    • Immune system (allergen) sensitizer

    • Impaired (short) attention span

    • Impaired capacity to attain attention

    • Inability or difficulty swallowing

    • Inability to recall words and names

    • Inconsistent IQ profiles

    • Inflammatory diseases of the reproductive organs

    • Intestinal pain

    • Intrinsic asthma

    • Irritability

    • Jaundice

    • Joint pain

    • Joint swelling

    • Kidney pain

    • Laryngeal spasm

    • Loss of memory

    • Loss of sense of smell

    • Loss of taste

    • Malaise

    • Menstrual and testicular pain

    • Menstrual irregularities

    • Metallic taste

    • Muscle spasms and cramps

    • Nasal congestion

    • Crusting and mucosa inflammation

    • Nausea

    • Nosebleeds

    • Numbness and tingling ofthe forearms and finger tips

    • Partial laryngeal paralysis

    • Pneumonia,and Pulmonary Oedema

    • Reduced bodytemperature

    • Retarded speech pattern

    • Ringing or tingling in the ear

    • Schizophrenic­ type symptoms

    • Sensitivity to sound

    • Shock

    • Short term memory loss

    • Shortness of breath

    • Skin lesions

    • Sneezing

    • Sore throat

    • Spacey feeling

    • Speaking difficulty

    • Sterility

    • Swollen glands

    • Tearing

    • Excessive Thirst

    • Tracheitis

    • Tracheobronchitis

    • Vertigo

    • Vomiting blood

    • Vomiting

    • Wheezing and Lung Complication

    Vaccine Ingredient: Mercury
    Mercury compounds are used in vaccines as preservatives. The toxicity of mercury has been repeatedly ignored in the area of vaccines by the medical establishment and oversight agencies. Mercury is the second most poisonous element known to mankind (second only to uranium and its derivatives). Brain neurons rapidly and permanently disintegrate in the presence of mercury within 30 minutes of exposure. Mercury is also known to change a body’s chromosomes, so I especially worry about those who have had mercury ­based dental fillings (which are the standard ‘silver’ type), for these people are constantly being filled with this cumulative poison from the mercury’s vapors as well as direct contact inside the mouth.

    The U.S. has known about the potential problems of Thimerosal (the preservative in vaccines that contains mercury) for many years. The World Health Organization voiced concerns about it in 1990.

    Mercury is a cumulative poison, which means a body has difficultly removing it, and that levels of it in the body will grow significantly over time. Enormous amounts of mercury can accumulate over a lifetime. During a typical day of routine vaccines, infants sometimes receive the same amount of mercury as the absolute maximum set by the World Health Organization for 3 months of adult exposure.
    The following was taken from a website affiliated with the National Institutes for Health detailing the effects of mercury exposure: “Symptoms of high exposure to this class of mercury based compounds include: aphthous, stomatitis, satarrhal gingivitis, nausea, liquid stools, pain, liver disorders, injuries to the cardiovascular system and hematopoietic system, deafness and ataxia, death, headache, paresthesia of the tongue, lips, fingers and toes, other non­specific dysfunctions, metallic taste, slight gastrointestinal disturbances, excessive flatus and diarrhea may occur. Acute poisoning may cause gastrointestinal irritation and renal failure. Early signs of severe poisoning include fine tremors of extended hands, loss of side vision, slight loss of coordination in the eyes, speech, writing and gait, inability to stand or carry out voluntary movements, occasional muscle atrophy and flexure contractures, generalized myoclonic movements, difficulty understanding ordinary speech, irritability and bad temper progressing to mania, stupor, coma, mental retardation in children, skin irritation, blisters and dermatitis. Other symptoms include chorea, athetosis, tremors, convulsions, pain and numbness in the extremities, nephritis, salivation, loosening of the teeth, blue line on the gums, anxiety, mental depression, insomnia, hallucinations and central nervous system effects. Exposure may also cause irritation of the eyes, mucous membranes and upper respiratory tract.”

    Complete intolerance to Thimerosal, the mercury containing preservative, is known to develop from previous vaccines. The vaccines stimulate the immune system and cause sensitization. The effects of mercury differ between inorganic, organic, and metallic mercury compounds. The neurologic toxicity symptoms caused by mercury compounds have a delayed onset after exposure, so few, if any of these symptoms will be noticed at the time of exposure. This explains the suspected long-term neurological symptoms of learning disabilities and behavior disorders associated with vaccines, which did not exist in previous generations.

    Vaccine Ingredient: Antifreeze
    Antifreeze (ethylene glycol) is an ingredient of the polio vaccine. It is classified as a “very toxic material”. It would take less than a tablespoonful to kill a 20­pound dog with this substance. Pet owners are generally very wary around this dangerous substance, knowing that only a small amount is fatal. I can only imagine the effects that this has on the human body when directly injected into the blood stream.
    Antifreeze can eventually lead to kidney, liver, blood and central nervous system (CNS) disorders. It is quite harmful and likely fatal if swallowed. Effects include behavioral disorders, drowsiness, vomiting, diarrhoea, visual disturbances, thirst, convulsions, cyanosis, rapid heart rate, CNS stimulation, depression, cardiopulmonary effects, kidney disorders. It can also lead to liver and blood disorders. It produces reproductive and developmental effects in experimental animals.

    Vaccine Ingredient: Aluminium
    Aluminum is a suspected carcinogen. It is a cardiovascular or blood toxicant, neurotoxicant, and respiratory toxicant. It has been implicated as a cause of brain damage, and is a suspected factor in Alzheimer’s Disease, dementia, convulsions, and comas. It has been placed on at least 2 federal regulatory lists.

    Vaccine Ingredient: 2­Phenoxyethanol
    This is a suspected carcinogen. A developmental and reproductive toxicant. It is also a metabolic poison, which means that it interferes with the metabolism of all cells. This is the primary factor in the formation of cancer cells. It is capable of disabling the immune system’s primary response. It also contains phenol (see below for explanation).

    Vaccine Ingredient: Phenol
    This is a suspected carcinogen, and a cardiovascular and blood toxicant. Also known as carbolic acid; this is a developmental toxicant, gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, kidne toxicant, neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant, skin and sense organ toxicant. It has been placed on at least 8 federal regulatory lists.

    Vaccine Ingredient: Methanol
    his is a volatile, flammable, poisonous liquid alcohol. In industry, it is used as a solvent, and an antifreeze compound in fuel. In the body it is metabolized into formaldehyde (as described earlier). Whilst it can be found naturally in the pectin that is present in some common fruits, the naturally occurring version is only in minute quantities, and the natural form is not known to cause harmful effects.

    Vaccine Ingredient: Borax (sodium tetraborate decahydrate)
    Traditionally used as a pesticide and ant killer. It is suspected to be a cardiovascular or blood toxicant, endocrin toxicant, gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, and neurological toxicant. It was found to cause reproductive damage and reduced fertility rates in studies on rats. It is already banned in foods in the United States, but astonishingly, it is still allowed for direct injection into the blood through vaccines. It is toxic to all cells, and has a slow excretion rate through the kidneys. Kidney retention and toxicity are the greatest. It has a cascading effect, causing liver degeneration, cerebral edema, and gastroenteritis.

    “A single vaccine given to a 6 pound infant is the equivalent of giving a 180 lb. adult 30 vaccines in one day.”

    ― Dr. Boyd Haley

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Starting to think you may be pro vaccine troll Dan LaLande??

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Your brain washed however, tell us since you think you know everything?? Why is there no Autism in the vaccinated?? and NO SID’s??

  • It’s interesting because that is exactly what you are doing. If vaccines work as you have come to believe, you really have nothing to be afraid of, do you?

  • Dd


    U.S. Measles Deaths in 10 Years, but Over 100 Measles Vaccine Deaths


  • Dd


    ZERO U.S. Measles Deaths in 10 Years, but Over 100 Measles Vaccine Deaths


  • Dd


    ZERO U.S. Measles Deaths in 10 Years, but Over 100 Measles Vaccine Deaths


  • Dd


    ZERO U.S. Measles Deaths in 10 Years, but Over 100 Measles Vaccine Deaths


  • Dd

    So SNOPES is your go to site for information? Please, 10 minutes of research will show you that they are not about truth.
    Then again, if this is what you depend on for your info, it’s no wonder you are a pro-vaxer. No doubt you rely on Penn and Teller too!

  • AutismDad

    Do you really think a judge simply decides on his own on the spot what is a compensatable adverse injury? Evidence is presented by EXPERTS as in all court cases. THEN a verdict is made. Talk about being completely ignorant. You are number one.

  • AutismDad

    Another day, another simpleton.

  • AutismDad

    Spoken like a truly uninformed fool.

  • Cookiepress

    of course, don’t you know judges are ignorant unless they say something you agree with.

  • Cookiepress

    My 8 pound dog got a 1 year bordetella vaccine which is similar to the whooping cough vaccine when we got him from the shelter 7 years ago. He was fine. The following year we took him to the vet for a booster. He was given a 3 year shot. About 5 hours after receiving the shot he started foaming at the mouth, shaking and his legs could not hold him up. I called the vet hospital that gave him the shot and someone told me there was no one there that could help me and I should take him to the Emergency Animal Hospital. By the time I got there about an hour and a half after the seizure started the seizure had stopped but I thought he should be looked at anyway

  • Dd

    When I hear someone state those terms “anecdotal or inconsequential” my blood boils. What we see on a daily basis is not part of a laboratory control study, but rather a real life, real time, observation. No one can tell us that the cause and effects that we witness, whether our parents, children or pets is coincidence. There’s no such thing as coincidences, in my opinion.

  • Dd

    Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims


  • Leanne for informed choice

    Yes thank you Cookiepress, it’s very common that our pets suffer after vaccination and now have the very same diseases humans have??, however, like humans many don’t see it. My family vet also told me that his 8 pups who never in contact with any other animal all got Parvo after he vaccinated for Parvo at 8 weeks, I remember he told me only 2 survived and as he was a dog breeder so this caused him real concern because he believed in vaccination of all animals. 2 things he told me which he had never questioned before that he vaccinated small dogs including tiny Chihuahua’s with the very same amount of vaccine as he vaccinated Great Danes?? and most of the dogs he vaccinated for Parvo got Parvo?? Interesting enough our little new born babies get the same amount of vaccine as 20kg toddler, however adults get half the diluted dose?? No doctor has ever answered the question why?? but I’m sure they will come up with something eventually :(

  • AutismDad

    Pretty ignorant yourself.

  • AutismDad

    What a stool sample

  • Cookiepress

    I was being facetious

  • AutismDad

    facetious is ignorant. Any and all attacks on me are met in kind.

  • Cookiepress

    Good lord, it was NOT an attack on you. It was meant for Dan LeLande. You need to get over yourself and not be so touchy. It’s not all about you

  • AutismDad

    Another attack. Look above and see who your comment was dircted at. If directed at Dan then don’t respond to me. Go up and edit it and get over yourself and the errors you make. You’ve been told.

  • Bobsbride2

    Right on, AutismDad!

  • Bobsbride2

    And that’s why people should have the right to choose. You feel the benefits of getting the vaccine are good, then get vaccines. If a person feels, after researching scientific research date, that vaccines are not for them or their children, they have the right to choose. Education is the key for informed decision making. And that’s why we are blessed to live in the US where the highest law of the land enables us to practice the right to choose which medical procedures we want.

  • Bobsbride2

    This proves…what??

  • Bobsbride2

    Can you read? Then try reading some peer-reviewed scientific studies on aluminum and the human brain. Start there. You have a long way to go.

  • Bobsbride2

    And which scientific study are you quoting that says vaccines are 100% safe and effective and they never cause encephalopathy, encephalitis, among other neurological damage? Please let us know, we would love to know.

  • Bobsbride2

    Too bad there isn’t a vaccine for such willful ignorance. Dan LaLande could use a dose. It’s reserved for those who trust everything they hear or see on the TV or in the Media, but who refuse to actually do some researching of their own. That would require work, and I think that reveals laziness more than anything else. Too bad there’s no vaccine for that either.

  • Bobsbride2

    You probably made attempts to be a comedian once, didn’t you? It appears that didn’t work out too well.

  • Bobsbride2

    And you probably believe that all other medicines/drugs are safe, too, right?

  • AutismDad

    Merck vaccine fraud
    When you hear Vaccinologist (idiots) claim booster shots are needed is it because vacs wear off as they claim (liars) or is it because in MERCK’S case they have been found to put out faulty, fraudulent products? The industry is forever spinning its web of lies.

  • AutismDad

    Look up VACCINOSIS, the over vaccination of pets, then you will see that ALL over vaccinating has negative results.

  • AutismDad

    Dan LaDUH

  • AutismDad


  • AutismDad

    Are you describing a bathroom incident? Call your aide dude.

  • AutismDad

    Its comparable to those who smoke with children in the car. Callous disregard.

  • Dd

    Pick the vaccine type eg. Influenza
    Then pick the brand / manufacturer.
    Read the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers’ package insert.

  • Dd

    Pick the vaccine type eg. Influenza
    Then pick the brand / manufacturer.
    Read the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers’ package insert.

  • youdontgetit
  • sarah

    Awesome work! Thank you :)

  • redfairie77

    You do realize that on the CDC website it says that the measles mumps and chicken pox vaccines contain live viruses? Weakened but live, and they also admit that a recently vaccinated person can shed the disease for up to approximately 2 weeks to both vaccinated and unvaccinated ???So I’d like the recently vaccinated to stay away from my kids , as for me I had chicken pox and measles like many others and have a LIFE LONG IMMUNITY. .. So it’s not ignorant of the judge, I’m sure he’s done his research.

  • Charles Jackson

    Most of the vaccines are prepared from disease causing agents. The main goal of vaccines is to provide immunity against a particular disease. But some cases the vaccines may cause allergies and disease symptoms in the people. Usually peoples with very low immune system will appear symptoms. There are some cases reported that the vaccine caused diseases in peoples after taking them. It should be considered as medical malpractice. The victim is eligible for compensation. In case if such problems occurred you can appeal for justice. Law firms like http://www.sommersandroth.com will help you on getting the compensation.

  • AutismDad

    Seems the price for citizenship has become similar to being in the military. You must sacrifice for the greater good and that includes donating your children for vaccine experimentation.

  • Jill Carey-Lickley

    SNOPES?!?! REALLY…. Catch up

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Blahhhhh honestly you expect us to believe you after watching what happened to our children after we did the right thing and vaccinated our kids??? Really tell me why is it that every doctor and scientist who questions vaccination are label frauds like parents who are screaming out for the medical profession to listen after their children have been brain injured or have died are labeled anti vaccination??? We can’t all be wrong and the list of vaccine damage is growing at a town near you :) but shit instead of forcing your beliefs on us duck down and have all the childhood vaccinations in the full child dose and not the diluted adult dose :)

  • Israel Jamaica

    My son just got mmr vaccine right after he had hives everywhere doctor said it take more then 3 day to effect my child. I know it was mmr vaccine.

  • Dd

    Don’t believe those pharma educated and controlled doctors. Sorry about your son.

    Check this out….


  • Lindaxox

    What a silly and inaccurate thing for the Dr to say.

  • James Peters

    Vaccines don’t cause ASD

  • iPadguy57

    Speaking of completely ignorant. Yes because all judges make the right decision all the time. Tell that to the innocent that have been found guilty, executed, then found innocent.

  • iPadguy57

    Yes you are.

  • iPadguy57

    You are a clown. But thanks for the laughs.

  • iPadguy57

    Says the fool.

  • AutismDad

    Yes you did.

  • AutismDad

    Next time just post DUH

  • Well it’s good to see you’re consistent; you’re pretty much a prlck to everyone who disagrees with your ignorance.

  • Regardless of what your misguided beliefs may be, Wakefield is a disgraced fraud. He represents the lowest form of life in the scientific community. And it’s not “Dr.” Wakefield, just Mr.

  • Once again, Wakefield is a disgraced fraud. Even erroneously referring to him as “Dr.” completely discredits anything else you may have to say.

  • As well it should, since no causation was ever shown. If you believe so strongly in the link, go back to school for 6 or 8 years, get your PhD, do a few years of postdoctoral work, then get an assistant professorship someplace where you can happily apply for grants to prove that there is a link between vaccines and any of the crap you try to attribute to them. You might even get some cool awards or a Nobel! Do it! At least then you’d be qualified to spew your venomous bile and misinformation all over the net.

  • So, how do you know the same thing would not have happened had he not gotten the shots? Oh that’s right, you don’t. There has been no link found, no matter how much you need to find something concrete to blame for this tragedy.

  • Speaking of stupid sheeple…

  • Thanks for being a rare voice of reason in this sea of scientific ignorance and armchair doctors. It’s just incredible to me how fcked up our society is becoming when people would rather trust frauds and snake oil selling hucksters over people with decades of study in the field. Everything to them is a conspiracy, and BIG PHARMA, and corrupt scientists. Yet at the same time, they worship Wakefield, the most disgraced doc of the last 50 years. Boggles my mind.

  • Bullshlt. That % would be in the low single digits.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Seriously you have no idea FsmPastapharian, I have a feeling your just in here to insight anger because you think your right or possible troll? Just duck down and have all the scheduled childhood vaccinations over 12 month period in the child dose and not the diluted adult dose and we will see whose still talking then? If you think Dr Wakefield is the lowest form of life?? Like really is that what your programmed to believe?? Well he would have to be a mirror reflection of you sweetie.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    After reading your posts I’m realising you are a bit of a low life aren’t you FsmPastapharian?? How about doing some research on the unvaccinated?? Funny no Autism??? You got to think highly of yourself in here antagonizing a mother of kid with autism?? Well done!!

  • Leanne for informed choice

    again FsmPastapharian attacking another parent with a child with autism, well done you!!!!! Your the only one here spewing venom???

  • Leanne for informed choice

    FsmPastapharian Why don’t you read a vaccine insert http://vactruth.com/2012/09/18/fda-vaccine-autism-sids/

  • Leanne for informed choice
  • Dd

    “If you believe what you are told by the AMA and the CDC and your
    doctor, you’re not doing enough research.” In 1991 Scott Cooper and his
    wife researched vaccine safety and efficacy, determined vaccines are NOT
    safe or effective, and refused to vaccinate their son. Interestingly,
    their son was much healthier than his vaccinated peers throughout

    Former Salesman For Vaccine Maker Merck & Co. Wouldn’t Vaccinate His Son

  • Dd

    Brandy researched the safety of vaccines and found that not only do
    vaccines contain known toxins that can cause neurological damage, but
    that vaccine makers do not create the same safety studies for vaccines
    as they do for other drugs. This lack of true safety research of
    vaccines combined with the known adverse reactions to vaccination has
    helped Brandy to decide to never vaccinate her own child.

    Former Merck Rep Says Mandatory Vaccination Is For Profit and Not Public Health

  • So, I’m not sure if you’re here to actually learn, or if you’re just part of the antivax sock puppet brigade. But on the off chance that it’s the former, I’ll continue. First of all, if you want to present anything credible, you should never do it by posting a vactruth link. They are pure pseudoscience and have a clear agenda not based on facts, but rather on misinterpretation of clear scientific data and fear mongering. Secondly, do you understand how package inserts are made? Also, just as a point of curiosity, how is it that you treat package inserts as absolute gospel, when they are written by the same companies that you don’t trust? This discussion has been rehashed elsewhere multiple times, but I will repost my reply from just last week with a link to a respected science blog. I strongly suggest you read it with an open mind if you really want to challenge your current stance. By the way, this has nothing to do with informed consent or right to choose or anything else. It is simply about vaccine safety.

    Re: Package Insert Fallacy. Classic. You clearly do not understand how package inserts are written, or the FDA requirements behind them. It blows my mind that the very people who constantly accuse BIG PHARMA of being dishonest and corrupt, treat the PI, which is written by BIG PHARMA, as some kind of gospel – all without understanding how it is written and how it is meant to be used. Cherry picking at its best!

    The Adverse Reactions section is a laundry list of observed events that probably have nothing to do with the drug vaccine, but remain there so that the pharmaceutical company is covered in case of a lawsuit. Even if someone “believes” that an adverse effect was caused by vaccine during a trial, the pharmaceutical company is required by the FDA to include this in their laundry list.

    So, while I don’t expect anyone who is actually trying to use this argument as an indictment against vaccines to ever try to actually educate themselves, here’s a nice write up and explanation from a respected blogger who is actually educated in this field, unlike the great majority of antivaxxers. I strongly suggest you give it a read. Then come back and we’ll talk more!


  • AutismDad is a well-known troll who spends his days online spewing hatred at anyone who disagrees with him. His posts rely on the misinterpretation of the scientific literature, the regurgitation of pseudoscientific propaganda, and the complete inability to ever listen to reason from those with actual knowledge and experience in this field. His posts to me are nothing short of hatred and childish insults. He crossed the line with me in the past, attacking my family in a post, thus forfeiting the privilege of any respect from me. I would consider my reply to him to be very mild. If you don’t believe me, just click on his profile and read some of his posts. Most have been deleted by mods for clear violations of TOU, but I’m sure some still remain.

  • Leanne, I apologize if you consider my posts to be disrespectful. You need to understand that the levels of frustration felt by the scientific community over the whole anti-vaxx movement has been going on for so long that we are all tired of seeing the same anti-science posts, the same debunked arguments, the same flawed interpretations, the same propaganda, as well as the use of the disgraced Mr. Wakefield as a spokesman. Your anecdotal interpretations are just not supported by the larger, studies. Trust me, if there was any connection between autism and any vaccine, there’s a grad student, post doc, resident, or new professor out there somewhere in the world who would just love to show it. Imagine the fame and respect that previously unknown person would earn. There is no conspiracy. There is no connection.

  • AutismDad

    Yes…hello stupid sheeple, right on cue too. Not BAAAAAD

  • Mr. Wakefield is a fraud. He represents everything about science and medicine that your group despises! He FALSIFIED DATA! He had FINANCIAL conflicts of interest! These are the same things you accuse BIG Pharma of doing, and the reasons you hate them, yet you raise this disgraced fraud above them all. That really blows my mind! As for vaccines, my daughter is in her teens. She had every vaccine on schedule, and she’s perfectly fine. I am not “programmed” to believe anything. But I have been in this field for 30 years now and find this perversion of science to be offensive. Science is not about what you “feel” or “believe.” Science is about the data; and that data has shown conclusively, many times, that there is no connection between vaccines and autism. Get off vactruth, mercola, ageofautism, etc and start listening to the respected scientists in the field rather than the disgraced ones. I promise you that your information will be a lot more credible.

  • AutismDad

    If it means I’d be like you, no thanks. If I want to harm children and lie to parents I need no degree, just a psychopathic belief in vaccine safety.

  • AutismDad

    SOOO clever placing an l where an i should be. Gold Star Troll

  • Yes, because I’m sure your Google U degree is just as legit.

  • If you haven’t seen this, it is a nice review of the whole Wakefield MMR fraud and antivax movement. I know it’s Newsweek, but it’s a nice summary:


  • AutismDad

    Lame. Have anything intelligent to say? NO? It figures

  • AutismDad

    No imagination at all Troll

  • As for your completely false assertion that there is no Autism in the unvaccinated, where did you even get that info? It’s completely false. The rate of autism occurrence, if anything, is lower in the vaccinated for reasons discussed here:

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Nah I don’t need to discuss anything with people who are blinded by the sickness industry!! You see I’m apart of a very large group over 100 thousand people. In our incredibly large group some of our kids are fully vaccinated, some are partially vaccinated and many many more are not vaccinated(because if you witness your child having a serious adverse reaction immediately after it has been vaccinated your not only devastated by what you’ve done to your precious baby you also get a pretty big kick in the guts by the medical profession who aren’t(refusing) listening which makes persons like me wake the F–k up) . We now know from our own research and studies that all the autistic kids in our organisation are in fully or partially vaccinated?? Also it seems to follow the same pattern with SID’s and Brain injuries?? Guess what sunshine?? Funny that all that stops once you stop vaccinating??? Same with animals and you don’t a degree to work that one out??

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Yes your posts are completely disrespectful, not only that we also have 100’s of medical and scientific people in our organisation and as a soon as they bring something that’s not accepted by big pharma they are deregistered?? If most medical science is back by big pharma?? then there is loads of questions because it’s not a wellness industry?? If the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine is concerned I think we have to be as well?? RE: “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached
    slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of the New EnglandJournal of Medicine.” – Dr. Marcia Angell, a physician and longtime editor-in-chief of the New England Medical Journal (NEMJ) (source)http://www.collective-evolution.com/…/pfizer-vice…/

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Gee FsmPastapharian I know Autism Dad doesn’t need anyone to stand up for him but I just want to ask you a few questions?? Do you know how hard it is to look after your child once it develops Autism?? The never ending lack of sleep, anguish, frustration?? The constant yo yo of going back to medical doctors and specialists which continues on with out any relief in sight and for many years after a normal child has grown and left home??. Not only that depending of level of autism the child has can include constant seizures, head banging, violent out bursts that are never ending plus harder to handle as they grow older?? These out bursts can cause major damage to other family members emotionally, mentally and psychically a long with few homes that have been destroyed over the years?? The constant finding food that your child is able to eat?? Or maybe they have to a peg inserted as to be tube fed?? Then there is long list of medications to try to help your child cope with the list of health issues it has to deal with everyday (great for big pharma) Do you know how many parents of autistic kids break under the emotional mental exhaustion?? So while you up here in full assault against a person you know very little about why not start properly researching all about what really happened in the small pox and polio epidemics?? You just might find something a little different to what you’ve been programmed to believe??

  • Leanne for informed choice

    You have never met the man so you have no idea?? however, if you could step off your ladder and pop over to Youtube and watch the long list of his videos or go to one of his seminars you might actually understand what is going on behind the scenes?? What your doing is bulling, discriminating against people who no long trust the medical profession with good reason!! Funny because Dr Andrew Wakefileds partner in the same medical study with the same findings/ data was exonerated?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7NotxTg7jg

  • Leanne for informed choice
  • Leanne for informed choice

    Anti vaccination movement is a label and strategy developed to increase fear, bulling, discrimination, segregation against people (mostly families) who have had very real problems with vaccines?? We are growing in larger numbers world wide sadly so is the discrimination??

  • Leanne for informed choice

    So your telling me he doesn’t have a child with autism?? and that he would have no reason to speak out about the injustices he and his family faces daily???

  • Leanne for informed choice

    RE: From the British
    Medical Journal RE: Despite the agency’s disclaimer, the Center For Disease
    Control (CDC) does receive millions of dollars in industry gifts and funding,
    both directly and indirectly, and several
    recent CDC actions and recommendations have raised questions about the science
    it cites, the clinical guidelines it promotes, and the money it is taking.http://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h2362

  • AutismDad

    COOL, thanks from all parents

  • AutismDad

    What’s the matter pastrami? Big boy like you can dish it but can’t take it? I’m tickled knowing I’m so ever present in your mind.

  • AutismDad

    wrong. Your opinions are not Gold Standard science.

  • AutismDad

    POP UP??? You must be a pediatrician protecting his ass.

  • AutismDad

    So disrespectful and condescending.

  • AutismDad

    You believe anything. Autism Speaks is pro-vac.

  • sabelmouse

    what nonsense!

  • AutismDad

    Wakefield was railroaded for not cooperating and pissing off MMR maker GlaxoSmithKline. His story is the microcosm of the whole issue. Cross Big Pharma and you will be targeted. Brian Deer, professional writer of fiction concocted the whole affair and was also his accuser in court. He was hired by James Murdoch who later sat on the board of GSK. He’s son of Rupert Murdoch media baron/ criminal. They have friends in high places in Britain. The GSK MMR in question was rejected by Canada for safety reasons, but because GSK is entrenched in Britain and its owners and stockholders part of the elite, strings were pulled. Strings that saw Wakefield et al convicted by a kangaroo court.

  • AutismDad

    Its all about the $$$$

  • AutismDad

    Skeptical raptor? Troll Central?

  • AutismDad

    You have zero credibility. Wakefield is more a man than your could aspire to be.

  • AutismDad

    Are you Brain Deer?

  • AutismDad

    I’d shake his hand. I’d spit in your face.

  • AutismDad

    Ask too why its world wide. What’s the common denominator. HINT: only one fits.

  • lol, that would be the last thing you’d remember of that little fantasy.

  • I suppose that would be true if I aspired to be a disgraced fraud who sold out the lives of all those who will die thanks to his greed and lies. Luckily, my bar is quite a bit higher than that. Now run along.

  • Please don’t flatter yourself. You’re no more than a passing amusement to me.

  • If any of this made-for-TV movie conspiracy was true, then why hasn’t any independent group been able to confirm the data he published? If there was truly a link between MMR and autism, where is the data to confirm it?

  • Am I to believe that anybody who disagrees with your ideological stance is a fraud? Seems rather close-minded of you. So everybody outside your circle of anti-science zealots is in on the conspiracy? Exactly how would all those people be contained? wouldn’t just one person come forward with a study to confirm your beliefs? I know if I saw hat link and could show the data, I’d bring it forward in a heartbeat. I’d be world famous! Probably get consideration for a Nobel! Why hasn’t anyone else been able to show conclusive data to back the antivax zealots?

  • Toni Tatro

    Where do I start with this ableist load of trash? Dehumanizing autistic people by calling them “it.” Calling them violent brats. The abuse apologism. The victim blaming. This is why I hate so-called “autism parents.” They’re ableist pieces of shit who use their children for sympathy points. They should have never become parents to begin with because they can’t love their children unconditionally. They believe it’s okay to abuse and even murder their children because they were born autistic. Yes, born not made by vaccines. Wakefield is a fraud.

  • AutismDad

    We’ve seen what happens to whistle blowers. You won’t see researchers lining up for that assignment when they need their paychecks and like being employed.

  • AutismDad

    What has been confirmed by others is the digestive/ bowel issues. If you have even borderline intelligence you’d know that recent studies have keyed in on the part of the immune system in the gut. And if you have even 1 working brain cell you’d know that similar study is working on the hypothesis that mental illness is connected to gut health. We have many gut issues linked to vaccines and with autistic children we see it and mental health as an issue. If you can comprehend a simple concept measles and vaccine strain measle virus disrupt the gut. Wakefield and others found vaccine strain replicating in the guts of the children he studied. So there you have it Sparky

  • AutismDad

    Maybe you need a boyfriend

  • AutismDad

    Your bar must be Cheers, you sound like you’ve had too many pints of courage.

  • AutismDad

    Its no fantasy and I’d love to see it played out.

  • If you’re hitting on me, no thanks. I prefer intelligence in a partner, and I prefer women.

  • AutismDad

    Prove it vac troll

  • AutismDad

    You may need to fear further vaccination.

  • It is pro-science. The sites where you derive your information are pro-woo.

  • More conspiracy and baseless speculation.

  • Wow. That’s about all I’ve got for that post.

  • If there is any truth to your vague description, and completely speculative and unsupported tying together of events, I will gladly await the scientific papers to back the conclusions. The more recent paper in Pediatrics is suggestive, but still, doesn’t tie anything together. Ironically, this research would have been completed long ago if not for the stench of fraud left behind by your hero, MR. Wakefield. You can’t blame researchers for not wanting to go near the subject after the former doc disgraced himself with his fraudulent paper.

  • go for it.

  • Brooke Dunne

    Dad, didn’t you use Wakefield’s CD protocol with your son?

    Sorry, can’t remember if that was you or someone else.

  • suz norkan

    Aw! It’s just pastadude again, in a delusional showdown with Adad!

    So he stalked him and decided to play on this 3 yr. old commentary.
    No worries, as I’m sure Adad will have fun resolving this on his own.

    In the meantime, it seem this wonderful, sharing and well informed mom/poster {Leanne} got caught in the fray; while pasta et al, scurried to find a defunct acct., to rename as toni, to do the bidding and dirty work of our very immature and nefarious antagonists!

  • Out of respect for my valuable time, I have avoided responding to any of the trash you have continued to post over the past weeks. But I need to ask, wtf are you even talking about, you destructive troll? Is that all you do here? I can’t even read Leanne’s posts. Her inability to distinguish your fro you’re, and her obsessive and random use of ??? drives me batty. She’s as ill-informed as the rest of you anti-science sock puppets.

  • Your hero, Mr. Wakefield, as viewed by a rational mom of an autistic child:

  • suz norkan

    Duh and ‘???’

    Fix your OWN typos before calling others on the carpet.

    Mislead all you want about me! However, I’m not the doofas harping of ‘valuable time’ while digging up a 6 mo. – 3 yr. old commentaries only to continue barbs with adad. Har d har! ;)

  • I don’t understand your insipid troll-like comment. “???” Is what your pal Leanne randomly likes to add to the end of her sentences, whether they are questions or not. As for Your troll friend Daddy, he has been basically following me around the web like a lost puppy, hanging on my every word. So perhaps you should do better research before coming to conclusions – though I know this is a specific weakness of yours and the rest of your brigade. Now, I will go back to ignoring you, and you can gfy. *kiss kiss*

  • suz norkan

    GFY? Bwa hahaha! Nice brand spankin’ new account you and toni have goin’ there, pasta!

    And ‘mwah’ to you!
    Love, suz! ;)

  • suz norkan

    Thank you for sharing your very poignant post and your insight with the readers, Leanne!

    If you scroll up a few comments, however, you’ll see that fsm revisited a 6 mo. – 3 yr. old commentary, so that he could stalk and harass autismdad. And below you’ll find that he and his pals, opened a brand new ‘sock puppet’ account, just to answer you. So ignore ‘toni/fsm’s vulgar trash below!

    For you, we’d be grateful for you to share your experience with us in more current posts. I’ve had to set my profile to private due to stalking issues of my own from one of fsm’s co posting buds.

    But if you hover over who upvoted you, you’ll see one from ione murphy and when you click on her avatar, it will forward you to her profile. From there you can find much more current articles and commentaries. We’d be happy to have you share your sophisticated awareness regarding vax injuries especially in light of sb 277!

    Hope to see more of your posts, Leanne!
    Love, suz!

  • suz norkan

    You DON’T ‘start’ and you’re ‘Dunne!’ Buh bye, toni!

  • I have no typos. You just have poor reading comprehension.

  • suz norkan

    Not NOW! Nice edit! Nice ‘M!’ Liar! ;)

  • You’re truly insane. And there were no edits. Sorry, honey. Now, goodbye. Go pester somebody else.

  • BeStrong

    It’s too bad that Toni doesn’t seem to understand what a gender- neutral pronoun is.

  • suz norkan

    More lies! It said, ‘your fro you’re’ BEFORE your edit!

  • AutismDad

    her opinion. nothing more

  • AutismDad

    Get lost

  • AutismDad

    So brave knowing it will never happen.

  • AutismDad

    An idiotic response.

  • AutismDad

    Hardly baseless troll. Denial isn’t your friend. Its more your drug of choice.

  • AutismDad

    Hit you maybe. i suddenly fear for women.

  • Flagged for abuse.

  • Brooke Dunne

    Oh my. Was that a yes?

  • Katia

    He also doles out many personal attacks, but whines when others say he’s ignorant.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    See this is just how awful you people are?? Ganging up on a parent whose son is autistic?? You have no idea what parents with autistic children go through? It seems you get so much pleasure when someone is down, so why not bring in your buddies and lay the boot in??

  • Brooke Dunne

    Thank you.

  • Brooke Dunne

    How do you know I have no idea what a parent of a child with autism goes through? Hmmm?

    Just FYU. We prefer “people first.” These aren’t autistic childrfen. They’re children, with autism.

    Dad’s discussion with Pastrami was going nowhere, so it’s an honest question.

    What do you think of the CD protocol, Leanne?

  • Ahhh, ok, that is true. I did fix that before I saw your response. Hardly a lie, but whatever. And understand, oh trolly one, I was not referring to typos, but a complete assault on the English language and associated grammar. *muah*

  • Her opinion is shared by the vast majority of people who are familiar with Mr. Wakefield’s fraud, greed, and lies. You and your bastion of trolls and sock puppets are in the minority, and will ultimately be shown to be on the wrong side of science and history. But I’m sure you’ll play revisionist historian when that time comes.

  • Yes you are, oh bitter angry one.

  • Brooke Dunne

    What if I told you …

    You don’t have to hit ‘reply’

  • Because…? Discourse with you is like trying to reason with a small, not particularly bright child.

  • Yet you refuse to supply any reputable basis for any of it. Hmmmm…

  • Keyboard warriors are perhaps the most pathetic of all trolls.

  • He’s got an unhealthy, stalky obsession with me right now. I think it’s kind of a man crush. I’m surprised he hasn’t stalked me on Rolling Stone yet!

  • Lol, you’re so right! It’s a constant internal struggle. Probably comes from being a NYer ;)

  • Brooke Dunne

    A constant internal struggle.

    You know, I just stumbled upon something

    Thank you for reopening this old thread :)

  • AutismDad

    yes you are, but admitting your problem is a good first step. I think I’ve become a good influence on you.

  • AutismDad

    Been there. Don’t waste my time trying to convince trolls anymore.

  • AutismDad

    There’s no need for me to explain. Its plain you lack insight and are lost in your blind faith.

  • suz norkan

    In my posts from way back, you can see that I may have, on occasion, bragged that I excelled in grammar. And yet, when I’m in a hurry, even I may wrongly write ‘they’re, there or their!’

    It was no big deal, that you missed the ‘r’ but
    also just as likely that many are multi tasking and otherwise in a rush when they’re typing.

    Unless a person is being arrogant to others, I like to remember that debate and argument had been ‘speaking’ events until the internet, so saying ‘your or you’re’ would have made no difference.

    I’m more forgiving of grammar errors and spelling when I keep this in mind.

    I would have certainly overlooked the typo, had you not been criticizing Leanne.

  • AutismDad

    More crapola I’m not interested in. I guess you spend too much time being brainwashed to expand your narrow mind.

  • AutismDad

    get lost

  • Anything for you <3 I notice a lot of tweets about toxic autism parents. That could be an entire discussion board on here.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    I think you would like people to think that your all knowledgeable but it’s obvious from the amount of attacks towards him that all you’ve done is created all out hate campaign. You say your a scientist?? Think true respectable scientist’s wouldn’t bother to spend their time on sites like this gathering support from other trolls to continue your war??

  • suz norkan

    She’s trying but no one’s reading here! Don’t bother with these with these narcissistic miscreants, Leanne!

  • suz norkan

    ‘Alleged’ scientist!

  • Leanne for informed choice

    yeah starting to agree with you Suz Norkan, they completely lack compassion :(

  • suz norkan

    Toni Tatro is ‘tah tah!’

  • suz norkan

    Darlin’, you ‘ain’t seen nothin’ yet!’ Sad but true!

    Try clicking on iones’ avatar when you have time. She’s always following the latest articles.

    No need to bottom feed with this pond scum!

  • Brooke Dunne

    Toni Tatro is #actuallyautistic

    See,this is the part dumbfcks like you just can’t understand, Scuz. Why it’s really not cool to label kids as damaged.

  • suz norkan

    I saw that Brookie bootlicker! Sounds like ‘neuro diversie’ ranting to me!

    I prefer ‘injured’ myself, but then I’m far more tolerant than you.

  • Brooke Dunne

    No, you’re a stupid, self-absorbed blowhole.

  • suz norkan

    Aw! Owie, Brookie!

    Nothing is more pathetic & hypocritical than a ranting neuro diversie!

  • suz norkan

    Nice edit! ‘Dumbfks to low IQ stains’, ’cause you’re NEVER vulgar, Brookie! Pffft!

  • suz norkan

    How many times are you going to completely edit each comment?

    And you must know by now, Brookie, that I really don’t care what YOU think, darlin’! ;)

  • suz norkan

    Oh stop with the edits sweetie! You’re making a fool of yourself. Your posts are NOTHING like they started out to be 30 mins. ago, and have magically transformed from ‘the foul mouthed under educated, to Mr. Rogers Neighborhood. Sheesh!

  • sabelmouse

    you seem to lack reading comprehension. or maybe just overall understanding.
    nobody called anybody violent brat, you’re making this up or misinterpreting very badly.
    are you even a parent? it seems that you have no clue what that entails even at the best of times.

  • Brooke Dunne

    Too bad BeWrong don’t seem to understand #actuallyautistic

    You are such a loser.

  • suz norkan

    This is about your eighth edit AFTER I’ve replied to a very conceptually differing comment from you! THAT’S ‘not cool!’

    What happened to the parts of your post that responded to me with ‘FU stupid B?’

    Regardless, no where in Leannes post did I read the word ‘brat’, nor did she refer to an ‘autistic child as ‘it’!

    And since much science currently considers the cause of asd’s to be genetic but triggered by some environmental assault, it’s clear that individuals are NOT ‘born with asd’s!’

    These are the words of Toni Tatro, not Leanne! Toni makes NO point and only offers yet another whining rant from a conceited ‘neuro diversie!’

  • Brooke Dunne

    “Do you know how hard it is to look after your child once it develops Autism?? ” — Leanne for informed choice http://disq.us/8o91b0

    Children are born with ASD, even if you can’t understand that.

    I can’t speak for Toni, but in my opinion, your attitude toward children with autism is just absolutely wrong, and pretty typical for the anti-vaxxer crowd.

  • I love @tonitatro:disqus! According to suz, we’re apparently the same person. I’m ok with that, since she seems awesome. Though I admit, I did have to look up ableist! Great word! Thanks alter-me for the new word.

  • suz norkan

    I was certainly able to discern the context of Leanne’s post! No need to repeat her comment.

    However, children are NOT ‘born with asd’s, even if you can’t understand that!’

    I also wasn’t directing my response to ‘children with autism’, but to a small group who are hypocritical enough to push for prophylactic intervention and treatment for vpd’s, etc., yet cry baby using words like genocide, when parents attempt further research for treatment and prevention of asd’s.

    They fail to recognize the suffering which the more severely effected asd individuals endure, and consider research a threat to their special aspie savant’ism’!

    Neuro diversies! Now ya know! Come back when you have some real knowledge and experience, darlin’!

    I disagree with your opinion on MY attitude, but strongly
    defend the freedom which allows you to [although wrongfully] dispute my comment.

  • suz norkan

    Of course Brookie would insult your comment pointing out grammar faux pas. Below she writes ‘too bad {she} DO NOT seem to understand!’ She is SUCH a loser! ;)

  • Katia

    No, “it” is for objects. The proper wording would be either ” Do you know how hard it is to look after your child once S/HE develops Autism??” (preferred) or “Do you know how hard it is to look after your child once HE develops Autism??” (acceptable but sexist, IMO).

  • suz norkan

    You really ARE a newb if you’re only learning the term ‘ableist!’

    Toni and you; perhaps not exact, but certainly a partner in crime or a reasonable facsimile! ;)

  • suz norkan

    Or ‘they?’ But who cares!

    The ‘perception’ of an individual’s grammatical error is mere semantics here, and devoid of the serious milieu that families coping with severe vax injuries deserve in this discussion.

    This ‘neuro diversie’ rant was still overboard for Toni’s interpretation of ‘grammatical correctness!’

  • Katia

    No, not “they”. That’s plural.

  • AutismDad

    Come on , you can say more ridiculous things than this. You are slipping. Back to troll training for you.

  • AutismDad

    You must be referring to flu shots

  • suz norkan

    Well, grammar check this darlin’: ‘If you put your child in a car seat, make sure that they are safe!’ Hmm! Perfect grammar! ;)

    But like I said, who cares when one considers the much bigger picture, Katia!

  • Katia

    It’s sloppy grammar. But whatever floats your boat.

  • suz norkan

    Tell it to the pros hon! ;)

  • Brooke Dunne

    Suz seems to have a quirk with edits.

    I like to edit a couple or three times just to watch her head pop.

  • It’s like torturing a small animal. Right now I want to respond to Judith’s accusations that vaccine development is strictly for pharma profits, and since CDC works with pharma companies to develop next gen vaccines, they must obviously be corrupt. She just doesn’t get it. But I don’t have the strength to deal with her tonight. It’s late, and I just want to sleep :(

    Have a good night <3

  • suz norkan

    Only the deceitful ones, Brookie!

    However, such editing is actually expected, considering the source is a sophomoric, pompous and philistine propagandist like you!

  • Toni Tatro

    Nope, we’re different people.

  • Toni Tatro

    I’ve seen your ableist trash all over Tumblr. The post was all about demonizing autistic people. “Violent outbursts” “parents breaking” This is the language of abuse apologism that groups like Autism Speaks spews. Autistic people matter, we have actual value. You would never have this computer or internet if it wasn’t for autistic minds like Alan Turning’s. Just because our brains are wired differently than yours gives you no right to abuse or kill us.

    Meanwhile, anti-vaxxers go around endangering people’s lives all because one guy wanted to make money on his own version on the MMR vaccine. His “study” was all about him making money.

  • sabelmouse

    i bet you’re neither a parent nor have ever looked after someone who’s hard to look after. you sound like those ever so slightly autistic people, practically a live style, who are privileged and would never be there for those who have real problems.
    i’ve met those all over tumblr.
    and obviously clueless on vaccination as well as that ”1 guy”.

  • Toni Tatro

    I don’t deny I’m somewhat privileged. I was privileged enough not to have abusive parents. But I actually have compassion for the autistic people who did. That’s why I hate “autism parents.” There is no excuse for abuse. All children are difficult, if you can’t handle that you shouldn’t have become a parent to begin with. I’m actually doing something to help those who with less privilege. You meanwhile spread lies that is actually killing people. The lies of the anti-vaxx movement gave people measles.

    Autism is better than measles. One kills, the other doesn’t. So even if vaccines did cause autism, WHICH IT DOESN’T. It’s not a reason to not vaccinate. It’s not just your child you put at risk by not vaccinating.

  • James Peters

    What is the video about?

  • suz norkan

    You appear quite articulate for having been diagnosed with an asd? Language and thought process seems adequate? I used the question marks, not to insult, but because I don’t know you or your dx, and can only speculate by the few posts that I see here.

    After the new and nearly ‘all inclusive’ language in the dsm V, many have been ‘so labeled’ that would NOT have been under the older dsm’s criteria.

    We don’t even really know an unambiguous meaning of the word autism! This is why psychiatrists and other specialists scrambled to find the closest term to describe more and more observations of a new set of behaviors that would soon become epidemic in the late 80’s/ early 90’s! The word they chose, while acceptable though inexact was autism!

    Many, many peoples brains are ‘wired’ differently; this doesn’t mean one is ‘autistic!’

    You are so very lucky Toni. You may be among some of the luckier individuals with ‘diagnosed?’ asd’s, as it appears that you still have an excellent quality of life! And although as stated above, while not knowing you, before the dsm V, you may have never had such asd diagnosis.

    If your level of asd does not prevent you from a basically ‘normal’ quality of life, why do you laud the label? Surely you’re aware that many suffering severe autism remain incontinent into their adult years, hurt themselves, remain non vocal, [let alone eloquently communicating on social media], elope and are never found, or found deceased, etc.!

    It’s fine that some of you ‘aspies’ want to form groups in support and may at times stroke your savant’ism’, while bemoaning the system of ‘ableist trash!’

    It’s NOT fine when your perceived distinctions preclude research to aid those with the most severe asd’s when you wrongfully believe such is a detriment to your laissez-faire!

    It’s even LESS fine when these same groups object to research for treatment and prevention for/of severe asd sufferers, yet strongly solicit prophylactic medicines for vpd’s. That makes these type of ‘neuro diversie’ groups, hypocrites as well!

    Such is selfish, arrogant and discriminatory to those who need intense interventions.

    You give an impression online as being young and only slightly effected by an asd. Many such individuals have outgrown some of the behaviors in their adult years.

    I hope this to be the case for you and wish you well.

  • Toni Tatro

    I was diagnosed in 1999, well before the DSM V and you don’t know shit about my abilities. I’m not a savant and you can’t judge my abilities simply by my writing. There are non-verbal autistics running blogs, you can’t just assume everything by someone’s writing ability.

    I do care about people who are more “severe” than me. That’s why I keep saying they are people. A life isn’t worthless because you’re non-verbal, incontinent, self-harming or wandering. They are still people and their lives are still worth something. They are still better than the spread of measles. I support making accommodations and supports for ALL on the autism spectrum. I’m also against ableism, which is the largest problem autistic people face. The neurodiversity movement doesn’t oppose all therapy for autistics, it opposed abusive therapy. Unfortunately, ABA, the most common therapy suggested for autistics is abuse. (True ABA therapy is anyway, this becomes confusing because some call themselves ABA for insurance purposes when they’re not really ABA.) The “prevention” you speak of is called eugenics and any decent human being would oppose that.

  • Toni Tatro

    I just realized, you followed me on Twitter a couple days ago. Nice seeing you here.

  • Toni Tatro

    So calling out ableism is “abuse” now. Allistics are so crazy. LOL.

  • James Peters

    ASD has genetic risk factors (10772346) If you have a sibling with ASD then you are at a greater risk too (2179248, 10212560) There seems to be many genes involved (18716561, 19941018, PMC3513682) There may be prenatal and perinatal risk factors (21746727) There could be a mitochondrial disorder problem involved as well, even mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) abnormalities (21263444, 18055683). Thiomersal’s main use is as an antiseptic and antifungal agent. In multidose injectable drug delivery systems, it prevents serious adverse effects such as the Staphylococcus infection that, in one 1928 incident, killed 12 of 21 children vaccinated with a diphtheria vaccine that lacked a preservative. The claims on ASD go back to thiomersal. In the late 1990s the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics asked vaccine manufacturers to remove thiomersal from vaccines as a purely precautionary measure, and it was rapidly phased out of most U.S. and European vaccines. The scientific consensus is that there is no scientific evidence supporting these claims, including the observation that the rate of autism continues to climb despite elimination of thiomersal from routine childhood vaccines (25562790, 25086160, 24814559, 17898095, 17928818, 17168158). Major scientific and medical bodies reject any role for thiomersal in autism or other neurodevelopmental disorders http://who.int/vaccine_safety/topics/thiomersal/questions/en/ http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/updates/thimerosal.htm Also some more studies too http://blogs.plos.org/thepanicvirus/2011/06/28/anecdotal-amish-dont-vaccinate-claims-disproved-by-fact-based-study/ http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2275444

  • James Peters

    Argument via package insert. It’s ironic that anti-vaxxers rail against Big Pharma, yet the package insert, written by Big Pharma, is considered gospel. You can’t use these as ”proof” that the vaccines cause all the side-effects listed. Package inserts are legal documents, not so much scientific ones, and are thus hyper-conservative in listing any reaction that’s ever been reported after a drug or vaccine, whether there is good scientific reason to believe that reaction is due to the vaccine or drug, or not. With the measles, pneumonia: 6 in 100. Encephalitis: 1 in 1,000 and death: 1-2 in 1,000. With the MMR vaccine (based on the data) then severe allergic reaction happens in only 1 person per million. So vaccines are far safer and you don’t have to have all the complications from the pathogen itself. The chance of death from these vaccine preventable diseases is 100-1000X higher than the possibility of adverse events that could be caused by the vaccine. This is science, where the benefit of saving lives, vastly outweighs any risks. So if you focus on the adverse events, without understanding the frequency of the risk (let alone the causality), it is absolutely useless. Context matters. Take a single data point out of the context of all other information, and you could ”prove” anything

  • suz norkan

    So your diagnosis came nearly 10 full yrs. after docs began seeing children with bizarre behaviors which were never before observed in the history of psychology. By 1999, docs were already seeing numerous subsets in these more frequently diagnosed children with autism/asd; which is why there were already talks of major changes in the dsm V!

    Your writing along with your ability to reason, communicate and interact appropriately with others is what allows me to ‘judge’ your potential for gainful employment; therefore, quality of life!

    While it’s good that you say you have empathy for those more severe than yourself, why do you even need to call yourself autistic when it appears that you’ve been misdiagnosed, and are certainly capable of employment, independence and a decent quality of life? Do you enjoy the label, Toni?

    Abelism is nothing but the latest buzz word/fad/meme from whiners who feel they’re the first to ever be labeled as handicapped or different. Again, most of you who practice such, are lucky enough [not severe enough] for your symptoms to not inhibit you from having a good life!

    While I also oppose ANY [home or clinical] EXTREME therapies, I disagree with your opinion on neuro diversies. Most of what I’ve read is that they feel their asd’s to be okey dokey and it’s actually a transgression to their distinctiveness to treat [even clinically] those with severe asd’s.

    The ‘prevention’ for asd’s that I speak of would only be considered ‘eugenics’ for those who wrongfully believe that [as science currently shows] these neuro disorders are caused by genetics triggered by an environmental factor! Since the provocation has yet to be identified, this may or may NOT occur in utero! Even if in utero, prevention has been successful in preempting more serious illness.

    It almost appears that you’re claiming asd’s are NORMAL and nothing to treat prophylactically to alleviate the suffering of the severe asd symptoms!

    Prevention for asd’s is absolutely NOT genocide, Toni! ‘Any rational human being would AGREE with that!’

  • AutismDad

    Your whole post is supposition and prattle. Your blind faith in anything “science” only makes you look foolish. Risk factors and “could’s” prove nothing. Gene studies have shown only 3% generally inherit these genes while the rest are sporatic/ spontaneous and NOT INHERITED.

  • Really? You think I was objecting to your use of the word “ableism”? Is your judgement really that bad, and your maturity that undeveloped?

    Perhaps instead I was referring to terms such as “ableist load of trash”, “ableist pieces of shit who use their children for sympathy points”, “they never should have become parents to begin with because they can’t love their children unconditionally”.

    And by the say, there was no calling the children “violent brats”. BUT, the reality is that very often families with autistic children must content with very violent behaviors, constant acting out, inappropriate behavior and the inability to go to any social setting, wandering which can end in the child’s death. This really is often a very difficult life for the families hit by this tragedy.

    And then you sit in judgement, and out of the blue accuse parents of wanting to murder their children (where on earth did that come from?).

  • Toni Tatro

    Because they do it and flat out say they want to kill their children. The post didn’t use the term “violent brats” but that was the image they were sending. It failed to mention the majority of violence from autistic developed due to abuse. The “autism parent” culture is incredibly toxic. They demonize their children, they only talk about the negative, they invade their children’s privacy by posting everything about them online. I have no sympathy for these people.

    I AM autistic, I’m not a tragedy, a burden, or an epidemic. I am a person. I deserve to be treated like one. Not just me, but every single person on the spectrum.

  • Toni Tatro

    I can’t hold a job or live on my own, so thanks for making that incredibly wrong assessment of me. You really need to stop trying to diagnose people solely on their writing.

    Ableism isn’t some “buzz word” it’s a real problem. I had a job for awhile but a co-worker learned of my noise sensitivities and thought it was funny to scream directly in my ear. My supervisors would do nothing but blame me for his actions. He could make violent threats against me while I couldn’t ask him to quiet down. THAT IS ABLEISM. Or the fact I’ve been emotionally abused by several people because I get targeted by abusive people due to my disability. Or that I’m discriminated against in the workplace because I can’t make eye contact or my sensory issues.

    And it’s not just about myself, I stand by all disabled people because I have compassion for others. I don’t like disabled people getting murdered by their parents/caretakers and not getting justice because of how “hard” it was to care for them. I don’t like people being discriminated against because they use a service animal. I don’t like 11 year old autistic boys being treated like criminals because they kicked a trash can. I don’t like being silenced because I’m disabled or “not disabled enough” to have a real viewpoint. I find it funny that I get accused of not caring about those with more severe disabilities than myself when I literally started out by standing up for them. Many “low-functing” autistics have stated that they don’t want their autism cured, but you’re not listening to them either. No autistic person’s view is important to you, it’s all about the allistic parents.

    Wakefield applied for a patent for his own version of the MMR vaccine before publishing his study. He was trying to take out the competition of the vaccine already on the market. His “study” consisted of 12 subjects and his findings have never been replicated, he is a fraud plain and simple.

    The “prevention” of ASD consists of creating a prenatal test for autism. Such a test won’t tell you where the child will lie on the spectrum (since it’s not a constant point in one’s life). This affects ALL people on the autism spectrum. With the hateful message being sent out scaring mother’s who pregnancies test positive into abortion. I can even say for certain mother who chose to have autistic children will still face pressure from their doctors. My friend has a son with spinal bifada (also autism). She made the choice to keep that child but her doctor kept pressuring her to have an abortion even in her third trimester, all this in an incredibly red state I might add. That is eugenics.

  • suz norkan

    Sure you could hold a job. You could type transcripts. Take tickets at the theater! Plus there’s food and hotel service, etc.

    Yeah! Another ‘poor me’ whiner! You ‘neuro diversies’ make me physical ill, but I managed to persevere through your latest wall of wah wah rants!

    I doubt very much your infirmities are asd related as they are normally correlated to extreme lack of language and communication [as in audio/visual body language cues, etc.] skills. And thousands of you more recently asd? diagnosed [for idiosyncrasies] neuro diversies have been duped into the dx to be pigeon holed for insurance.

    No! You’re projecting your n.d. blogging heros onto ‘low functioning adults! I’ve read these bloggers who you speak of and MOST have numerous other health troubles that contribute to being ‘non verbal’ as in c.p. The difficulty they have with speech is motor driven and not due to thought processing.

    You can read much more of my disdain of n.d.’s, on a.s., where I valiantly battle 20 of you at once. So I’ll not get into it further here. But there is certainly ‘no love lost between me and you n.d.’s. See! I can rant too!

    ‘Ableist’ originated between ’85 and ’90, so yes; in the history of language, it’s a new buzzword, fad or meme.

    To be born is to be abused; some more than others. But millions of us were sexually and physically abused for years.

    All autistic povs are important to me! Especially my youngest child’s; being one of the first to be diagnosed and one of the few who suffered the symptoms long before even the docs and director of Johns Hopkins knew what they were dealing with – my 30 yr. old daughter. In your young and naive mind, it only APPEARS as though it’s all about the parents, since they are the one advocating for their more severely autistic loved one, even long into their child’s age of majority!

    As for Wakefield or abortions, neither Leanne nor myself mentioned them. Although I reserve any judgement since I don’t know much about him, but to be clear, there are frauds on both sides of the fence.

    You likely meant to say ‘spina bifida’.

    Lastly, your idea of abortion to spare the child from years of horrific pain and suffering from ANY disease, is credulous and does NOT denote eugenics!

    Eradicating negative traits in utero may be a form of eugenics. Eradicating disease, illness and serious disorders in utero, if possible, is NOT!

    You’re still not grasping that there is an environmental trigger involved even while admitting to a gene mutation. You also sound very anti abortion, [even when a lifetime of the CHILD suffering is the only prognosis]! I think you’re getting your rants intertwined!

    Learn more about eugenics and the ‘currently stated cause’ of asd’s and when you’re ready I’ll meet you on a.s., Toni! ;)

  • James Peters

    Your implying what?

  • suz norkan

    Literally, perhaps! Perhaps clandestine collaborators! Or even perhaps, an unwitting, incognizant and oracular recruit, @BabyDoll1586! ;)

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Well lets look at this shall we??? RE: At the University of British Columbia’s Neural Dynamics Research Group in the Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, Dr Lucija Tomljenovic obtained documents that showed that, “vaccine manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, and health authorities have known about multiple dangers associated with vaccines but chose to withhold them from the public. This is scientific fraud, and their complicity suggests that this practice continues to this day.”

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Why do you need me to explain?? If your as scientific minded as you make out then watch it, you just may learn something???

  • Leanne for informed choice

    RE: At the University of British Columbia’s Neural Dynamics Research Group in the Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, Dr Lucija Tomljenovic obtained documents that showed that, “vaccine manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, and health authorities have known about multiple dangers associated with vaccines but chose to withhold them from the public. This is scientific fraud, and their complicity suggests that this practice continues to this day.”http://nsnbc.me/2015/06/19/shocking-report-from-medical-insiders/

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Thought you may like to read this?? RE: At the University of British Columbia’s Neural Dynamics Research Group in the Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, Dr Lucija Tomljenovic obtained documents that showed that, “vaccine manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, and health authorities have known about multiple dangers associated with vaccines but chose to withhold them from the public. This is scientific fraud, and their complicity suggests that this practice continues to this day.”http://nsnbc.me/2015/06/19/shocking-report-from-medical-insiders/

  • AutismDad

    Implying? I’m making statements that are valid. You get hung up on studies claiming things could or might be involved or may be, are suppositions and extremely hypothetical. You don’t seem to know the difference between proof and suspicion.

  • James Peters

    Then again please post the evidence to back your statements up?

  • James Peters

    I need you to explain because I’ve been given links to video’s on Youtube countless times in the past, only to waste my life watching them. So please can you?

  • James Peters

    No offense (here comes the offensive bit), but I did give countless studies on Pubmed and other links too, and you give a link to NBC with the not so dynamic duo of Tomljenovic & Shaw. They have been laughed out of the scientific community as their studies are that bad. Take Dr Tomljenovic. She is a biochemist who works in the department of ophthalmology and visual sciences at a university in Canada. She then writes a epidemiology paper on a neurodevelopmental disorder (ASD) and gets it published in an inorganic chemistry journal http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159 How is this even possible?. Thats her ‘science’ and Dr Shaw’s isn’t any better either

  • James Peters

    If she is based in Canada then how did she get the ”secret” documents from the UK government via a FOI request?.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Just as your wasting my life and countless other peoples :)

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Just where are all the dead unvaccinated in the western world ??

  • sabelmouse

    good question! also it seems that some seem to think that we’;re all descended from the few hundred people who survived before vaccination.

  • Jeremy Ayres

    are there any attorneys or lawyers in Canada who will take on autism cases? Maybe a class action suit?

  • ciaparker2

    Nonsense. Encephalitis is swelling of the brain, inflammation. All vaccines cause inflammation, otherwise they would not produce antibodies: the immune system has to be irritated into reacting to the vaccine as desired. Unfortunately, in many people the inflammation goes beyond what was desired, the brain inflammation cuts off blood circulation to the language and social center of the brain, causing stroke-like damage known as autism. My daughter has aphasia, she’s very low-verbal, of normal intelligence, and reacted to two vaccines with encephalitis. Every vaccine can cause encephalitis because every vaccine irritates the immune system: if you look at the package insert of any vaccine, it will list encephalitis as one of the dozens of reported vaccine reactions. The Merck Manual defines encephalitis as being caused by either a pathogen or a VACCINE.

  • Proponent

    sabelmouse: “also it seems that some seem to think that we’;re all descended from the few hundred people who survived before”

    I get the distinct impression, sabelmouse.. from your exact (and quoted) words above.. that you didn’t read “Mathsemantics: Making Numbers Talk Sense” after all.

    Or.. at all.

    ‘Cause.. you are not making.. any.. sense.

    Did you merely look at the cover in passing? Read a blurp about it.. Is that it?

  • AutismDad

    Hey that’s pretty accurate.

  • AutismDad

    Wrong they are vaccine induced people with autism

  • AutismDad

    Another stool sample

  • AutismDad

    As we see Pastrami can’t debate, he’s too bust being ignorant.

  • Brooke Dunne

    No. You’re wrong, and I’m not going to argue with you about it. The AutismKB database is open and searchable. Autism is genetic.

    Now since you chose to reply, maybe you can answer my question from the other day: Did you use Wakefileld’s CD protocol to try to recover your child?

  • AutismDad

    Never heard of it.

  • Brooke Dunne

    That actually surprises me. Considering what a big fan of his you are.

  • MagnaDave

    Did you happen to see the PBS special about vaccines? One thing that stood out to me was when one person being interviewed said this (paraphrasing):

    “Vaccines have been shown to have adverse side effects only in about 1 in 1,000,000 cases. Unfortunately, many parents fear that their child will be that 1 in 1,000,000.”

  • AutismDad

    What should surprise you is how you come to that conclusion.

  • Brooke Dunne

    I did see that, thanks Dave.

    PBS – The Vaccine War

    I also saw Jennifer Margulis’ whiny little blog post because she was unhappy about how the interview portrayed her.

  • MagnaDave

    If I remember right, Frontline said that there may be a link between autism and vaccines but it’s both genetic and rare. In effect, certain vaccines may trigger autism in some children who are already genetically pre-disposed to having it. So, it doesn’t cause it, per se, but triggers it. Once they can screen for the genes involved, they can eliminate that risk.

    I applaud people like you and the poster named Mitt Romney for spending your time discussing this issue with people who often aren’t the slightest bit interested in having their notions challenged. I’m not knowledgeable enough to do the same. Perhaps, if I had children, I would be.

  • Jack Sprat

    She no longer works at a Canadian university. Has not for at least the past academic year.

  • Jack Sprat

    Uhm, most of the dead are buried I imagine, and I don’t see any merit in vaccinating them.

  • David

    Of course all this is wrong Re-Wakefield. And you surely cannot conclude your daughter is fine and she may have escaped death but she is injured. Have her tested. But you will not.

    Follow the data and conclude like the rest of the world vaccines are a senseless program designed to harm people. This has ben known for 30 years. Soon–the whole world will discover the “truth” But the truth has always been known. Fraud and profit has created horrible disinformation.

    Listen to Dr. Wakefield. He is a great man. But why make this about a single person? Opposition to vaccines is so widespread–pick any one of thousands of scientists and stop trying to scapegoat one man as if the world has been fooled by a single individual.

  • I suppose you feel that making random shlt up is an acceptable form of debate. I just checked my daughter again, and still, no autism.

    There is NO legitimate data to support any of what you claim. In fact, most of it is blatant lies and conspiracy babble. Program designed to harm people? What’s the motive? Where’s this 30 years of evidence? The rest of the world has concluded this? Really? Did you read that on ageofautism? Mercola?

    Finally, it’s not Dr. Wakefield, it is Mr. Wakefield at best. And the reason I have no problem making this about him is because he and a handful of other disgraced “scientists” have single-handedly done more damage to the fight against vaccine-preventable diseases and global healthcare than even imaginable. You are perfect proof of that. He’s a disgraced fraud, and time will only strengthen that fact which all but a few pockets of zealots see as being obvious.

  • David

    Vaccinations have always been both controversial, ineffective and scandalous. There is no history of vaccines where a vaccine actual;ly works and is proven safe and effective. The record book is littered with scandal, lies and injury.

    I did not say your daughter is autistic. I assured you 100% she is damaged. No doubt. You do not do testing that shows the damage so you think she is fine. You allowed the system to damaged her. I did the same thing and it was the worst decision of my life.

    Wakefield and the two other doctors stripped of their licenses were before this happened–about the best and brightest in the British system. The same thing has happened repeatedly with the best docs int he US–they go against the system and they are slammed and smeared. It is grotesque. Stop being a gullible troll and listen to the victims.

    Where they ask why all these kids have autism and they say quickly “vaccines”–those great doctors are fired. This is what they did to Boyd Haley at NIH and what they did to Robert Rowan at Hopkins and I can give you many other examples. Whicvh is why alternative medicine is exploding in interest and no one wants to see a “regular” doctor anymore. We want health–not poison. It is a free country. We just wish to opt out and be healthy. You can take your drugs. We want to make healthy choices.

    You will apologize to your daughter one day as I have to my son.

    You are on a website that specializes in cases of babies victimized–what might you make of these accounts? Might you have a bit of empathy for victims of useless poisons?

  • I have great empathy for victims of misfortune and disease, especially children. However, that does not mean that you can simply point a finger at someone you think might be an easy target when the data and evidence say otherwise. Wakefield may have been a good doctor. But he was not stripped of his medical license because of some conspiracy. He was stripped of it because he published fraudulent data, jumped to unsupported conclusions, and had a financial conflict of interest that was not disclosed.

    I am sorry for you and your son. You have my empathy. There is just no data to support the numbers of people who “feel” that their children are injured by vaccines.

  • David

    You are the one pointing fingers at the man who stood up publicly to declare to the world that the MMR was a problem vaccine–under the headline news of an award case of 1 million for a single victim–what about the thousands of other victims without a good lawyer?

    The medical mob is not an “easy target.” Cross them , cure a disease and they ruin you and literally murder you. If you think Wakefield is evil–how about all the hundreds of PHD, microbiologist and specialists out there screaming that the vaccines are no good? One more time–why scapegoat Wakefield? Because he is–in your own words–an “easy target.”

    The epidemic of autism has come about precisely with the epidemic of vaccines.

    I am sorry for your daughter that currently has undiagnosed injuries from unnecessary poisons injected by ignorant slobs.

    Learn the science against the poisons. Choose life and choose health.

  • Based on this post, you’re really not worth even arguing with. Medical mob? Cure a disease and they murder you? You should cut back on the made-for-tv movies. And the meth.

  • CS

    I bet that load of nonsense works great on people not familiar with neuroanatomy or neurology. Too bad there is no such singular social center nor single language center as you suggest, nor is encephalitis so specific, nor does it cause stroke like symptoms. That’s not how the immune system works either and your imaginary child couldn’t possibly be as you describe.

  • ciaparker2

    So what did they die of, and when? Measles, mumps, pertussis, and chickenpox are usually relatively mild diseases and rarely kill. So what disease can you support having killed many unvaxed children in the last fifty years? There is NONE.

  • Brooke Dunne

    “Once they can screen for the genes involved, they can eliminate that risk.”

    Frontline may have touched on that, because it was the objection the vaccine refusers they interviewed raised. There have been a couple cases where children develop encephalopathy after vaccination. The article above is about Ryan Mojabi, who is one example. These cases are so rare, each one makes headline news. It’s less than a one in a million occurrence.

    I mentioned the AutismKB database the other day. For 75% of children diagnosed with autism today there is a known genetic cause, completely separate from vaccines or environmental triggers. The people who do this research serioiusly think it’s onlyha matter of time before the mutations and deletions that cause the other 25% are identified. http://autismkb.cbi.pku.edu.cn/syndromic_gene.php

    That’s why I often ask, whenever a parent says their child is vaccine injured, “did your neurologist or pediatrician order genetic testing?”

  • Katia

    Yes, in about 40 years of giving immunizations, sometimes in large clinics, I have seen 2-3 serious adverse events.

  • Katia

    Well, Frontline is not a science program per se, it’s a news program. It relies on its editors to determine if they information they show is accurate. And the editors don’t always know that much, either. I’m not a big fan of Frontline, as you can see.

  • David

    I thought I read a response here that questioned my use of the phrase “murder” regarding the system.

    But the system admits 400,000 to 500,000 killed every year by the system where drugs are taken properly and including the medical errors.

    Others have calculated the murder toll to be 1,000,000 -1,500,000 annually. This does not include the incidents of cancer and deadly disease propagated by the medical “treatments” by the system. In 2008-2010–they nearly killed my with antibiotics. All of them completely without a whiff of a medical need. But I have worked like heck and spent a fortune to teach myself;f medicine and I am fairly healthy today. But if I had no personal power and simply let them do to me what they do to everyone else–I wold likely be dead and on the pile like the rest. But Would I be included in the official numbers? Doubtful.

    So over the past 10 years, the system murders 5 million or murders 10 million. Maybe something in between–you decide. But this is a cruel and needlessly corrupt and harsh system that denies health for the masses and spreads expensive disease like wildfire because it is so profitable. The great US is last place in every category among the industrialized nations–worst in infant mortality and worst in rates of autism and cancer, and heart disease–all of it.

    If we had a system that allowed freedom of choice–America would be #1 in the world instead of last place. Thus far, your “disease” has not manifested. When it does–and I pray it never does for your sake–the system will crush you like it does everyone else.

  • I’m speechless.

  • David

    What happened? You were all ready to defame a great honest Doctor and by implication–all the entirety of the medical world that has been preaching against vaccines for 30 years.

    Now–you are silent?

  • “great honest doctor”
    No, he’s a disgraced fraud, and a greedy, child abusing liar. And he’s not a doctor.

    “the entirety of the medical world…preaching against vaccines…”
    That is a tiny percentage of the medical world made up of fringe doctors and low-rate scientists, scientist wannabes, opportunistic snake-oil salesmen selling woo and preying on the ignorant using fear tactics, and others who are not respected by any of their colleagues. If that’s who you wish to side with, be my guest.

    You have the choice to do whatever you want to do. Keep that in mind next time you DON’T die from a simple staph infection or tetanus.

    There is no “system,” there are no murders by medicine, there is no conspiracy. Please take off the tinfoil, come out of your bubble, and breath the fresh chemtrails. You are seriously out there. I wonder if you realize that.

  • David

    Who is on the fringe and who knows health.. So Boyd Haley was the best NIH scientist.. He observed the truth and suddenly he is fringe.. Wakefield and his two doctors were among the most esteemed but when they made a simple suggestion to spread out the pain.. He is suddenly not a real doctor.. Is that how it works..?
    You want to be healthy and it is cash..you want any poison and the government pays for it..thatthat is both a system and a conspiracy against the health of the public..
    Your doctor wants back good stool test.. It is cash only but the dangerous and damaging colonoscopy or endoscopic procedure is fully paid by the state…
    You think you can win a debate with me? Back to the topic

  • David

    A court ignores the dead babies and out of thousands of victims of MMR.. Coughs up a million dollar settlement… And what do you say? Can you speak.. I suppose Wakefield was proven correct.. Duh?
    Speak.. Stop throwing around insults and try to support the poisons…

  • This isn’t about “winning” any debate. There is no debate. Your posts are senseless and nearly incoherent babble. The science does not support your baseless claims, and the facts don’t support your conspiracy theory. It’s really that simple.

    Haley is an obvious fraud regardless of his abilities.

    Here’s a nice set of quotes:

    “I have been a strong proponent of investigating thimerosal as the casual agent for autism spectrum disorders based on the biological science that shows thimerosal to be incredibly toxic, especially to infants.”

    Haley also wrote

    “If, indeed, the complete removal of thimerosal from vaccines was not followed in an appropriate time by a decrease in autism then this would be solid proof that thimerosal was not causal for autism.”

    Thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines in the U.S. by 2002, and the rate of autism diagnoses continued to increase, but Haley simply changed his tune and continued to claim that thimerosal causes autism. The overwhelming (and still growing) evidence against the thimerosal-autism link has apparently done nothing to change his mind.

    Is Haley simply a confused chemist who fails to understand epidemiological evidence? Or does he have another agenda?

    Well, he does: money.

    Read the rest of the story on your science hero at:


    We’ve already covered Wakefraud. I won’t waste any more time on him.

    You don’t like science-based medicine? Don’t use it.

  • Victims of MMR? Really? This again? Do you understand how these settlements work? Stop fabricating bullshlt to fit your narrative. If there was a connection, we’d have seen it. What is it this week? Thimerosal? Oh no, that’s gone now, and still there’s no change in Autism rates. Hmmm, must be the aluminum or the albumin or the fetal calf serum or the glass vials the vaccines are shipped in, or the invisible aerosolized prions!!! I know it’s the vaccines! If only there was any data or proof to support my FEELINGS!!!

  • David

    This discussion is precisely about establishing fact and your side has none of it. The “proof” that injecting babies with toxic compounds is nowhere to be seen. No goon at the CDC or Merck or anywhere else has the faintest idea if these compounds have a degree of safety. Not a clue and they admit there is no way to know based upon a study.

    But we have a real study–we have irrefutable proof. We have a huge percentage of the population injured. We are living an epidemic with your crowd in control of all of it and the people have had enough of it.

    I want something based upon science–not crude alchemy and huge dollars.

    Haley cured his own son of autism and produced an antioxidant that would be useful to the masses affected by the poisons and the government banned it like they ban all cures. Haley is no fraud–have you met him–?

    Mercury is in fact still in almost every single vaccine. Period. It is in heavy concentrations in the flu vaccines given to old people and vulnerable subgroups. It is in the tenanus shot. The mob has always loved mercury and will not give it up–read the package inserts. It is in there at “low” levels and the government simply lets it go as “trace.”

    You do not stand a chance of winning this debate since it is all too obvious to anyone who has looked at the issue. The vaccine campaign is over–even the drug companies know it. The scam is so fully documented they simply want a safe exit strategy without jail time.

    So many others have documented the problem with the aluminum adjuvants–a similar problem as almost everyone is heavy metal toxic. The issue here is the direct toxic effect of these compounds into infants with either no or undeveloped blood brain barrier causing inflammation and disease and exploding rates of ASD.

    Everyone knows the problem. Giving one single victim a million bucks is hardly fair compensation for the many thousands of parents who are stuck with badly damaged kids that require a lifetime of care.

    Parents are catching on. Watch what they will do to California.. Give the people a chance and they will vote against this crap every time.

    Please repeat what you implied and seal the winner of this argument and repeat what you implied. I will not force you to take glutathione or chlorella–if you choose not to. You should not force my family to take the most toxic compounds known to mankind.


  • I’m not going to waste anymore of my time on you. You people are set in your beliefs and wouldn’t change them even with the facts spoon fed to you. Just answer this question:
    Since 2001, all routinely recommended vaccines for children in the U.S. contain no thimerosal or only trace amounts.The flu vaccine is available in single dose, thimerosal-free formulation. If your hero Haley was right, and thimerosal caused autism (or any other disorder, for that matter), then why haven’t we seen a correlative drop in the rates of autism since thimerosal was removed from all child vaccines 14 years ago? No bullshlt, hyperbole, pontification, or bloviation. Just answer that simple question.

  • David

    I have answered this fully since I am responsive while you will not answer anything.
    First, I do not recall Haley or anyone else citing mercury as the cause–ever. The compounds are horribly toxic and mercury is just one ingredient.
    Second, “trace” amounts in dozens of vaccines delivered by injection directly into a victim has a devastating effect. Third there is so Little quality control there is no way of knowing how much mercury is in any specific dose given to any specific child,
    But let’s turn to the obnoxiousness of your question which is routinely bypassed without comment when referenced by a mob spokesperson. They routinely dismiss the quality of the vaccines given before say 2004 as “problematic”–well isn’t that a revelation. So today–these “official;s now claim the vaccines are supposedly all clean and nice compared to the crap injected in lATE 1980’S AND 1990’S which a parent might assume was thrown together without the care and concern of today??
    So how might a parent assume the mob will consider the vaccines given today 10 years from now in retrospect? It seems any thinking parent will assume that today’s vaccines are equally problematic and this is nature of all drugs pushed on the market without any evidence and then quickly withdrawn when the people are victimized horribly. But the victims of the drugs are paid off by the drug companies and the victims of the vaccines are not allowed to sue for their injuries.
    One more time, ion front of Congress, let the people hear a drug company exec explain how he knows the synergistic effect of the entire program given to A CHILD IS SAFE. The answer that will be given is that they have no way of calculating such an effect. It is too complicated.

    I know for a fact that given my genetic makeup if I was given my son’s schedule I would be fully autistic. My son is not and “only” has Asperger because of the superior genes of his mother. If the state is going to play around with such dangerous compounds–they have a duty to test the biochemical individuality of each potential victim.
    For the sake of argument–let’s say your daughter is less vulnerable than my son. But I guarantee you she was negatively affected and that should piss you off.
    The author of this blog lacks a tin foil hat and so do I and so does every one of the millions of parents outraged over vaccines because we had a great child who was given a series of injections and one of them created a negative health event.
    You add insult to injury.
    Mercury is still very much a factor and is only one ingredient. It is included because it has a needed pharmacological effect and that effect–in combination with everything else–is negative to a human body.

    I am speaking in simple terms so you and others who could disagree understand.
    So let’s go back to your point which is OUR point. If the vaccines and the autism are related–there would be an obvious correlation in the population as the poison is delivered in the program. That is factual. The very first cases of autism came with the very first vaccines. Incidence of autism exploded when the program was greatly expanded in 1986.
    We can pay billions for the program and billions to pay-off a tiny percentage of “lucky” victims. Better to stop the program and be healthy.–don’t you think?

  • Your post followed by my responses in bold:

    First, I do not recall Haley or anyone else citing mercury as the cause–ever. The compounds are horribly toxic and mercury is just one ingredient.

    Haley built his whole business on the presumption that thimerosal causes autism. Did you not read my previous post with the cited source? Haley’s quote: I have been a strong proponent of investigating thimerosal as the casual agent for autism spectrum disorders based on the biological science that shows thimerosal to be incredibly toxic, especially to infants.”

    Second, “trace” amounts in dozens of vaccines delivered by injection directly into a victim has a devastating effect.

    citation needed! You don’t get to just make shlt up.

    Third there is so Little quality control there is no way of knowing how much mercury is in any specific dose given to any specific child,

    citation needed! QC at pharmaceutical labs is rigorous and well documented. If you have proof of otherwise, I strongly suggest reporting it to the FDA!

    But let’s turn to the obnoxiousness of your question which is routinely bypassed without comment when referenced by a mob spokesperson. They routinely dismiss the quality of the vaccines given before say 2004 as “problematic”–well isn’t that a revelation. So today–these “official;s now claim the vaccines are supposedly all clean and nice compared to the crap injected in lATE 1980’S AND 1990’S which a parent might assume was thrown together without the care and concern of today??

    Once again, citation needed! You don’t get to just make shlt up.

    So how might a parent assume the mob will consider the vaccines given today 10 years from now in retrospect? It seems any thinking parent will assume that today’s vaccines are equally problematic and this is nature of all drugs pushed on the market without any evidence and then quickly withdrawn when the people are victimized horribly. But the victims of the drugs are paid off by the drug companies and the victims of the vaccines are not allowed to sue for their injuries.

    Since this comment is based on an unsupportable claim (unless you supply proof), it is invalid and without merit.

    One more time, ion front of Congress, let the people hear a drug company exec explain how he knows the synergistic effect of the entire program given to A CHILD IS SAFE. The answer that will be given is that they have no way of calculating such an effect. It is too complicated.

    The data is clear based on current data. It is readily available if you simply avoid sites that regularly spew pseudoscientific crap.

    I know for a fact that given my genetic makeup if I was given my son’s schedule I would be fully autistic.

    How do you know this for a fact?

    My son is not and “only” has Asperger because of the superior genes of his mother.

    On what do you base this statement? Which specific SNPs or gene alterations do you know for a fact are linked to autism? I am very interested in reading that publication. Please provide the citation. When you use the word “fact,” it comes with some very specific responsibilities.

    If the state is going to play around with such dangerous compounds–they have a duty to test the biochemical individuality of each potential victim.

    Which dangerous compounds are you referring to? What makes you think their toxicity has not been studied?

    For the sake of argument–let’s say your daughter is less vulnerable than my son. But I guarantee you she was negatively affected and that should piss you off.

    You guarantee that my daughter was damaged? How can you make such an insipid statement? She was damaged by now being protected against a virus responsible for causing cervical cancer?

    The author of this blog lacks a tin foil hat and so do I and so does every one of the millions of parents outraged over vaccines because we had a great child who was given a series of injections and one of them created a negative health event.
    You add insult to injury.

    Again, you make these claims, but have no way at all to connect it to the vaccine. That’s because it was not responsible!

    Mercury is still very much a factor and is only one ingredient. It is included because it has a needed pharmacological effect and that effect–in combination with everything else–is negative to a human body.

    Completely bogus statement. Thimerosal (ethyl mercury compound) is added to vaccines as preservative, because, ya know, sepsis and death and stuff. It has not been present in children’s vaccines since 2001, and was only taken out due to public (mis)perception. Statements like “in combination with everything else–is negative to a human body” is meaningless, unsupportable hyperbole.

    I am speaking in simple terms so you and others who could disagree understand. So let’s go back to your point which is OUR point. If the vaccines and the autism are related–there would be an obvious correlation in the population as the poison is delivered in the program. That is factual. The very first cases of autism came with the very first vaccines. Incidence of autism exploded when the program was greatly expanded in 1986.

    Again, citation needed! And again, to date, NO LINK HAS BEEN OBSERVED BETWEEN VACCINES AND AUTISM! PERIOD! And it has been looked for, many times by many independent research groups.

    Please do not respond to me again unless you are willing to supply the appropriate citations for your claims. That which can be stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

  • David

    Of course Haley made a stink about mercury–mercury is the second most toxic compound known to mankind and we inject in directly into the bloodstream of babies up until this day although once shamed–the CDC removed some of it. You made the accusation mercury is the causal agent or the problem–it is in fact only part of the problem. Mercury is a horror show–so what? No one on our side has ever suggested–get rid of the mercury and we will shut up and take the crap. The fact of mercury makes our side scream–this does not mean our complaint is centered on mercury.Yes, Haley cured his own son of autism and yes he sought to sell the cure. This is the problem–a cure to a problem will incite violence by the mob. They are in the business of harming–not curing. A cure represents a threat to their pocketbook. This is why cancer rates are up–heart disease up not down–autism higher–not lower, autoimmune dysfunction higher not lower. It sure looks as if spreading all disease is the PLAN and purpose of the medical system. If not–they are completely incompetent. And you scream about “citations” and “science.” How dare you? If there was scienc e based medicine how come we are last place in every category? Will you ever answer a question–no.

    Mercury is still a huge problem and is in every vaccine.

    You instructed the mob to inject your wonderful daughter with a stupid vaccine called Guardisil that has no evidence it will have any beneficial effect whatsoever–not any evidence at all– and certain proof of harm.. So far–well over 60 wonderful young women have been murdered by Guardisil–dead on contact. You had the blind faith to disregard that evidence and have something so dangerous that it has so far killed over 60 young women and you expect something like that will cause no harm–even though she is still alive and breathing? BTW–I do not believe Guardasil has any mercury in it–except for the same amount the company, Merck, is allowed to legally hide in all the others. The point here is that it is NOT mercury that makes this one vaccine so deadly. I sure hope when she becomes ill she will not regard you as a gullible fool. You should have known at this late date. IN the late 1980’s–many parents like me simply did not know–but you gave her GAURADISL!!! RECENTLY–AFTER ALL THESE DEAD WOMEN have been pictured in the media.

    Yes I know all my SNP’s–yes I know all of it. I have been at this for a long time. Our side is winning and winning quickly. Soon, this will all be over and the nation will heal.

    BTW, pal–I do not make things up. I am a religious person. Stop being gullible. The mob is not an honorable group–scandal is at every turn. It has always been a pile of scandals. Read the history–read Suzanne Huimphries Book. Read Harris Coulter. Get with the majority of experts and dump the mob.

  • You didn’t answer or address a single question. All you did was throw out a whole bunch of other bogus, unsupportable nonsense. You are the one that brought up Haley, and then you said he had nothing to do with mercury. You can’t even keep track of your own bullshlt! Perfect. And after that, you seal the deal by recommending I waste even a second of my day on the well-known quack, Humphries? Oh, and you’re religious, but you call me gullible??? lmfao!

    Tell me the SNPS that you’ve had identified, the method by which they were identified, and the citation linking that DNA sequence to autism.

  • Your post:
    First, I do not recall Haley or anyone else citing mercury as the cause–ever. The compounds are horribly toxic and mercury is just one ingredient.

    Your next post after I corrected you:
    Of course Haley made a stink about mercury–mercury is the second most toxic compound known to mankind and we inject in directly into the bloodstream of babies up until this day

    You’re a waste of my time. Go waste someone else’s. Your job here is to avoid all questions, answer nothing directly, move goal posts, pivot to different subjects, and worst of all, simply make shlt up!

  • You made the accusation mercury is the causal agent or the problem

    I never said any such thing. On the contrary. I stated that the CDC removed thimerosal from vaccines simply for public appearances. There has never been any ethyl mercury toxicity seen at the levels present in vaccines. But once again, you simply twist words and make things up. Pathetic.

  • Jack Sprat

    I know I’m going to regret asking however “autism cases?” In what context?

  • David

    No,,, I said you said Haley was focused purely on the Mercury. This is wrong. He focused on the entirety of the problem.
    Your stand here on the general topic is unsustainable and illogical. You want to believe Mercury is not a problem and they removed it just for the heck. But then place on Boyd Hayley’s head the fact that a Mercury reduction did not slow the autism rate.
    So Haley gets the burden for what he never maintained. That a small reduction of Mercury will fix the problem while your gang wants all the credit for removing it but sticks it to us by suggesting it was never a problem in the first place
    These people will never convince the people but would do great working to try to save the campaign for Hillary Clinton.

  • This is unintelligible gibberish, andyouneveraddressedmydirectquestions. None of them. I’m done with you.

  • James Peters


  • David

    I answered everyone fully and can handle any question from a novice looking to improve ones mind. But you do not take to learning.
    U gave your daughter guardasil despite the death march. She is lucky to be apparently not damaged but I assure you she is damaged.
    Liberalism stinks. This monstrous program of crazy vaccinations against antique diseases is the ultimate act of totalitarianism. The people simply want to pick up their injured bodies and be free to choose what goes into the veins of their previous offspring. My child my choice. The state is under the illusion it is their mandate

  • Then best you stick to dealing with novices. However, before trying to teach anyone anything, I’d strongly recommend learning what you’re talking about first – since you clearly have no clue beyond paranoid delusions and conspiracy.

  • David

    Back to insulting after the injury. Be clear that none of us woke up one day determined to fight some Goliath. We have been victimized
    I have lost literally everything to these worthless compounds. this is biochemical rape and yes. We are the ones forced to feel and endure the consequences. The owner of this blog is here only because his son was damaged. All of us are victims United because we know the score.

    Could so many thousands of victims be wrong. This is what is so galling. So you tell me. I know you won’t answer but I will ask anyway. At what point will the weight of the damage be enough? If the program is not trashed. The number of autistic children will surpass the number of apparently unaffected.
    Will citations still be required? Must we wait. ? This is not phantom global warming nonsense. This is our lives.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    What we are set in has nothing to do with beliefs systems?? It has everything to do with our personal experiences which have been ignored by the very doctors who knew nothing about vaccines? Those doctors run fully operational vaccination clinic’s (and get bonuses) however, at that time when I questioned them didn’t actually know how vaccines worked and certainly had no idea about the ingredients?? These Doctors are the ones injecting this product are they not?? Should they at least know what’s in a vaccine and how it is actually supposed to work?? The biggest con of all is I stupidly paid to have this toxic product injected into my defenseless baby?? Then they removed all blame and placed it back on me?? Parents like myself no longer sit back and be good little parents doing what we are told without questioning!! We also sick to death of being constantly berated after we lose trust in the very thing we have been programmed to believe!! We never asked you to come in here to comment or force your arrogant beliefs on to us!! Take your “time” and shove it where the sun don’t shine??

  • Leanne for informed choice

    A bill requiring the government to conduct a study of autism rates in unvaccinated American children is pending in the U.S. House of Representatives, co-sponsored by Reps. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) and Tom Osborne (R.-Neb.). Just this week, former National Institutes of Health Director Bernadine Healy called for more research into a possible vaccine link to autism and said the question had not been settled, despite repeated assertions to that effect by the CDC, the Institute of Medicine and the American Academy of Pediatrics.

    In the abstract for today’s oral presentation, the authors noted that macaques, the type of monkey used in the study, “are commonly used in pre-clinical vaccine safety testing, but the combined childhood vaccine regimen, rather than individual vaccines, has not been studied. Childhood vaccines are a possible causal factor in autism, and abnormal behaviors and anomalous amygdala growth are potentially inter-related features of this condition.”

    The study found evidence of both behavioral and biological changes after the 13 macaque monkey infants were administered proportional doses, adjusted for age, of the vaccines recommended between 1994 and 1999. Three monkeys were not given any vaccines.

    “Primate development, cognition and social behavior were assessed for both vaccinated and unvaccinated infants using standardized tests developed at the Washington National Primate Research Center.” MRI and PET scans looked for brain changes after administration of the MMR.

    “Compared with unexposed animals, significant neurodevelopmental deficits were evident for exposed animals in survival reflexes, tests of color discrimination and reversal, and learning sets,” the authors reported. “Differences in behaviors were observed between exposed and unexposed animals and within the exposed group before and after MMR vaccination. Compared with unexposed animals, exposed animals showed attenuation of amygdala growth and differences in the amygdala binding of [11C]diprenorphine. Interaction models identified significant associations between specific aberrant social and non-social behaviors, isotope binding, and vaccine exposure.”

    One of the Saturday abstracts makes the further point that the research “revealed significant differences between exposed and unexposed animals” in the kinds of developmental behaviors a mother might be able to observe, “with delayed acquisition of root, suck, clasp hand, and clasp foot reflexes.” They conclude by noting that “This animal model examines the neurological consequences of the childhood vaccine regimen, Functional and … brainstem anomalies were evident in vaccinated animals that may be relevant to some aspects of autism. The findings raise important safety issues while providing a potential animal model for examining aspects of causation and disease pathogenesis in acquired neurodevelopmental disorders.”

  • David

    It was you who maintained mercury is the obsession of scientists and doctors who preach against vaccines when it is not. It is merely part of a large complicated and dangerous product forced on the people. You keep making the same silly argument. As long as mercury continues to be a part of the vaccine regimen–it will be protested vehemently but if you cannot understand that the mercury is only one piece of the reason that vaccines do such harm–you simply will not learn about the topic. Even small minded people such as RFK JR can capture the truth with loads of references centered on the problem of trace amounts of mercury indicates that you can also get it. Eliminate the mercury and the problem remains since the compounds have so many other toxic problems and so many people in the population are so vulnerable to the worst things on earth, We need to avoid these things not inject into our bodies as babies,.

    The basis of the health movement is centered on this basic concept you may wish to consider. If you do not wish to be disease free–fine. But appreciate the fact so many of us are so damaged by the medical system we must work hard to have a shot at a normal life. Here is the concept in its most simple terms even you can get it. Good things in your body–bad things out. Basing a medical system on putting poisons into the body will make everyone sick. And duh–everyone is sick.

    If I am wrong–why has America gone from #2 in health about 100 years ago before this crooked mob took over to last place in every category–despite outspending everyone else? Can you explain anything? You will insult and ignore the truth. VacTruth is good. I applaud the author. You deny truth and science. You have been scammed and you seem to love it.

    In classic form–the mob says for all disease–since they feign complete ignorance and incompetence–“no cause and no cure.” Listen quickly to a real doctor and they will chart how the poisons create ASD–it is rarely this one thing leads to this disease. This one SNP creates this ;problem. For starters , try the online lectures by Amy Yasko who like everyone else who has ever looked into the problem agrees that the vaccines trigger ASD.

    If you study these matters, you will see the folly of single links from a vaccine to ASD. You need basic understanding of the problem and it seems you know almost nothing. The world is awash in arrogance and ignorance.

    You must BEGIN to learn something about medicine before you can rightly have a valid opinion.

  • Seriously? You’re going to do a paste-vomit of Olmsted/AgeofAutism trash here? Ok, I’ll play along. So, given that this was an editorial discussing an abstract from 7 years ago, what ever happened with that research? Where did that paper get published? Did it even get published? What were the author’s conclusions and followup studies? Why do you believe the propaganda shlt you read on AoA? Why do you do paste dumps without attributing your source?

  • This is really hard to read because it’s impossible to tell if you’re making a statement or asking a question. Either way, you sure do like question marks, whether or not you’re asking a question. So odd.

    I’m really not sure what point you’re trying to make. I’m sorry if your child has developmental issues, autism, neurological disorders, etc. I have no idea about your personal history. But I can understand how important it is to find a reason for it or someone to blame. I would absolutely feel the same way.

    However, even though multiple studies have been done specifically looking for a connection between autism and vaccines, NONE CAN BE FOUND! There is no conspiracy! Drug companies are NOT making huge sums of money on vaccines! All your ranting pseudoscience-spewing group is accomplishing is to detract from any legitimate study that may be indicated. You can’t take bits and pieces of data and mash them together to make them fit your desired outcome. That’s what Wakefraud did, and he has caused incalculable damage to autism research.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    If that where true then why do you have to defend them?? There is 30 studies http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/30-scientific-studies-showing-the-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/

  • lol, hilarious. I’m going to save this post! And thanks for the advice. I better get out there and learn something about medicine – like you, right?

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Big smiley face :) would listen to them any day and certainly would never listen your tripe!!!!

  • Leanne for informed choice

    When the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine is concerned I think we have to be as well?? RE: “It is simply no longer possible to believe
    much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.” – Dr. Marcia Angell, a physician and longtime editor-in-chief of the New England Medical Journal (NEMJ) (source)http://www.collective-evolution.com/…/pfizer-vice…/

    From the British Medical Journal RE: Despite the agency’s disclaimer, the Center For Disease Control (CDC) does receive millions of dollars in industry gifts and funding, both directly and indirectly, and several recent CDC actions and recommendations have raised questions about the science it cites, the clinical guidelines it promotes, and the money it is taking. http://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h2362

  • Yet you’d rather rely on a disgraced fraud and a bunch of quacks selling you untested woo? And again, just because money is involved does not mean that the data is corrupt. But hey, you know what? Do whatever the fck you want. You are not here to learn or to discuss. You are here to try to argue from a point of conspiracy, mistrust, and scientific ignorance – which is sad, because you are also desperate for answers which makes you rip for being taken advantage of by the charlatans populating the sites that you seem to trust. Good luck and take care.

  • lmfao. Global warming nonsense? Why am I not surprised? Typical anti-science troll.

  • And again, good luck with that.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    The only person preaching is you??? I had a deep major wound last year that required stitches. The medical profession tried several times using the fear factor saying I would get Tetanus (the vaccine they where trying to give me was TDaP) I didn’t have the Tetanus vaccination and guess what 12 months later I still don’t have Tetanus?? No murders by medicine? Your joking right?? Now I know just how blind you are!! RE: The report comes 10 years after the Institute of Medicine’s “To Err Is Human” analysis, which found that 44,000 to 98,000 people were dying annually due to these errors and called for the medical community and government to cut that number in half by 2004. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/deaths-from-avoidable-medical-error-2009-08-10/

  • Leanne for informed choice

    lol :) have a nice life :) lol

  • sabelmouse

    thank goodness you didn’t. i’ve had a few passive shots for minor accidents in the years before i became aware, once even for a bruise, but wouldn’t now, certainly not the TDaP. what good would that do anyway? in a real emergency only a passive/serum would do.

  • Defend whom?
    I’m not wasting my time even clicking a healthimpactnews link. It’s pointless.

  • Thanks for making my point for me.

  • So you were ok with the doctors who had to give you local anesthesia, and sew you up with a needle, but you figured, wtf, I’ll take my chances with Tetanus? Tetanus toxin ranks with botulism toxin among the most potent known microbial poison. You’re probably just lucky that it sounds like more of an open wound than one where an anaerobic infection can occur. It was still a really stpuid chance to take.

    Here’s a pleasant description for you:
    Following infection, Tetanospasmin is taken up from the blood by the outermost nerves and moves inward toward the spine. After approximately eight days (ranging from three to 21 days), it begins to short-circuit nerve signals and block the relaxation of muscles. This results in sustained muscle contractions, notably the lockjaw for which tetanus is nicknamed.

    Spasms of the jaw or facial muscles may follow, spreading to the hands, arms, legs, and back and blocking the ability to breathe. Spasms are often precipitated by noise or touch. Once tetanus has spread, the mortality rate is approximately 30%, even in modern medical facilities.

  • You’re dangerously ignorant, mouse.

  • David

    No discussion from you since you have nothing to say but insults to people who have done the work and have the answers., You have nothing.

  • “people who have done the work!” *laugh*
    Enjoy that Doctorate from Google U. I can’t wait to read your publications.

  • David

    No laugh saving people who are autistic and suffering and making them functional. People like Amy Yasko do this and they have the background and experience to understand the problem. So many great doctors are out there and a sensible person follows those who heal and not those who poison and then run away under government protected immunity and claim there is no cause and if you are a victim it is “genetic” or you are a liar or you need to just bend over and take your poison.

    A great product that protects people requires no immunity from prosecution. A GREAT PRODUCT that actually works and does not harm requires no vaccine court that doles out billions in payments to a tiny percentage of victims. IN truth if only half of the victims were given modest payouts–the entire Federal treasury will be drained. That is what your great product produces. Maximum damage and no benefit.

  • Another pivot, another rabbit hole. Amy Yasko? I think she has a tattoo that says “This statement has not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.”

    But don’t worry; I’m sure she’s not in it for the money at all! Holistic crap, but at only $18.95 for 0.8 oz of liquid vitamin B complex, how could you go wrong?

  • suz norkan

    If I may, I’d like to add my experience. I also landed in the e.r. with a wound about 3 yrs. ago. While I hadn’t yet been fully enlightened on vax improprieties, I suspected them for a host of maladies, though I didn’t really research online to be aware of such ‘vax wars!’

    The e.r. doc finished with my wound and said I needed a tetanus shot. I declined, but the nurse was right there with the syringe, and before I knew it, the needle was in my arm.

    I thought nothing of the sore muscle aches at the site of the shot, for about 2 days. But approx. after the 2nd day, I had chills. My whole body ached. I was actually ‘in bed’ for nearly 2 wks. and my daughter had to care for me.

    I NEVER get sick, get colds or the flu. And because I hadn’t yet KNOWN of all these vax troubles, it would NOT have been the placebo effect. I now realize that the shot MAY have saved me from tentative tetanus but it also landed a very healthy person in bed for almost 2 wks. I’ll never get another!

    Thanks for your input Leanne and Sabel and allowing me to share my experience with the tetanus vax and aggressive medical staff.

  • David

    More swarmy ugly insensitive barfing from the peanut section. You have not yet been slammed by the mob. I dearly hope when it happens you will be pragmatic and not simply bs true believer.
    That dr yasko is profiteering is a crude joke and just another lame insult from a supporter of medical style freaks who have never worked an honest day in their lives and never cured a single patient while successfully enlisting the government to pay for a lavish lifestyle

    Better the ripoff for simple crooks. Getting so fat off the backs of innocents will go down in history as the cruelest hoax

  • Brooke Dunne

    * moose

  • Leanne for informed choice

    If you have listened to Dr Ten Penny(yes medical doctor) when she was head of Emergency she said they gave tetanus shots out like they where going out of fashion?? I’d listen to this Doctor before I would listen to you FsmPastapharian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsZbVg6vmVs

  • sabelmouse

    they really do. that’s certainly my experience in germany and holland.

  • ciaparker2

    The legislators used wording which the vaccine manufacturers got around in a tricky way. The statute said that vaccines used primarily for children had to remove the mercury. But since 2004 the flu vaccine has been recommended for all children, six months and up. BUT most of those who get the flu vaccine are NOT children, but adults, so since the flu vaccine wasn’t PRIMARILY for children, it didn’t have to take the mercury out of flu vaccines given to children. Since the mercury-containing, multi-dose vial is a little cheaper than the single-dose vial without mercury, many, perhaps most, children who have gotten it since 2004 (before that it was not recommended that healthy children get it), many millions of children have gotten the full dose of mercury that it always had, 25 mcg per dose.
    Standard Fluzone has mercury. About half of the injected flu vaccines given still have the full amount of mercury. Some states stipulate that they not be given to children, but most don’t. Our local supermarket distributes a flyer every fall and winter recommending Fluzone injected flu vaccine. It says that older people and pregnant women get the “preservative-free” version, but then just recommends that all babies and children get Fluzone, doesn’t recommend that they try to avoid mercury. And notice that it says “preservative-free” so as not to alert the reader that that means “mercury-free.” Tricky, deceptive language on the part of the vaccine industry and its defenders.

  • ciaparker2

    At risk of what? For the vast, vast majority, pertussis, measles, mumps, and rubella are relatively mild diseases which confer permanent immunity and benefits to the immune system.
    Until 1988, our society was healthy and happy, even though kids only got the DPT, MMR, and polio vaccines, NONE of the others had been introduced yet. Now nearly half of children have been disabled by neurological or autoimmune disease caused by vaccines. Many parents have said no, they’re not going to do that to their children. And vaccines cause autism. That has been proven over and over, and its just the billions in pharma interests preventing the universal recognition of this fact.

  • sabelmouse

    if only!

  • Oh ffs, why is even this a conspiracy to you? Why would they say “mercury free” since the compound is not Mercury, but thimerosal – a product containing ETHYL mercury. There STILL has been no data showing bioaccumulation of ethyl Mercury, or links to any disorders.

    Also, what is the percentage of single vial doses vs multi-vial that is administered to children? based on posts from some of our nurse friends on here, it would appear to be extremely low.

    And, while we’re at it, exactly what reduction in disorders have we seen in the 15 yrs since thimerosal was removed from vaccines? I’d certainly expect to have seen a significant reduction in ASD, but noooo, that wouldn’t fit the narrative of your group now, would it?

    There are no tricks; it’s pretty straightforward and simple. Don’t try to invent controversies. We have enough legitimate ones already.

  • Answer the question!

  • sabelmouse

    i’m just replying to your lament which is easily solved by YOU not posting anything.

  • ciaparker2

    That’s right, each dose has 50 mcg of thimerosal, which is 50% mercury. Not many people know the code words. When I showed the flyer to a former boyfriend, he said Are you sure the preservative they’re talking about is mercury? I thought they banned that in all vaccines years ago. I said Yes, I’m sure, the preservative is thimerosal, which is half mercury by weight. He was EXTREMELY shocked, and said THAT was what they should be reporting on in the news. But, hélas, due to the conspiracy you alluded to, the mainstream media are NEVER going to tell people that mercury is still in about half of injected flu vaccines in the same strength it ever was. And it hasn’t been long since it was in three-quarters of the injected flu vaccines.

  • Proponent

    It’s time for.. everyone’s favourite online discussion forum game !!

    Ciaparker2 Plays Numberwang !!

    For today’s question.. how many times has ciaparker2 tried to pass off her ‘local supermarket Fluzone flyer story’ nonsense?

    Is the correct answer..

    a) Erhm.. need more toes and fingers. Lemme get back to you at the next relative’s wedding.. should be enough.. maybe.

    b) A gabillion times? I dunno.. what’s the largest number possible to guess?

    c) I don’t want to play this round, thanks. I have more important and pressing matters to attend to than that of addressing the constant barrage of ciaparker2’s lies and deceits.. (*goes back to trimming fingernails*)

  • Proponent

    ciaparker2: “Not many people know the code words.”

    Oooh.. sounds.. very … ‘codey’ and ‘cloak and daggery’..

    (*goes back to trimming fingernails*)

  • There are no code words. This is common knowledge. I can only imagine how this was described to your ex bf. Additionally, as you have conveniently ignored, not only is there no link between the ETHYL MERCURY in thimerosal and ASD, but if you’re still paranoid, you are free to request the single dose vaccine.

    Now, back to that inconvenient question about why we haven’t seen a reduction in ASD over the past 15 years…

  • Don’t waste my time replying unless you are going to answer the SIMPLE and DIRECT question posted above:

    If thimerosal in vaccines results in ASD, where is the expected reduction in ASD frequency since thimerosal has been removed from childhood vaccines?

    Where is the reduction?
    Why isn’t it being seen?
    What does your pro-disease troll binder tell you about how to address this obvious question?

    If you cannot answer this question, you really need to just stfu about MERCURY POISONING OUR INNOCENT CHILDREN!!!

  • ciaparker2

    Do you want a copy of it? I kept it and could easily send it to you if I had your email address or that of a safe intermediary. Not nonsense, true, but your denying the truth is just what you guys do.

  • ANSWER THE QUESTION! Why are you avoiding this question. It’s very simple. Either you are wrong about thimerosal and refuse to admit it, or you have an explanation for why we haven’t seen a decrease in ASD!

  • Proponent

    “Myth #2: The flu shot contains dangerous ingredients, such as mercury,
    formaldehyde and antifreeze. (Not exactly, and the ingredients aren’t

    Single dose-shots of the flu vaccine and the flu vaccine nasal sprays
    do not contain any mercury compounds. The multi-dose flu shot does contain a preservative called thimerosal, which breaks down into 49% ethylmercury and used to prevent bacterial contamination of the vaccine container. Ethylmercury, as I’ve discussed before, is processed differently by the body than methylmercury, the neurotoxin that can build up in the body and is found in fish. (Keep in mind the difference a letter can make in chemistry: methanol is anti-freeze while ethanol is a Chardonnay.) Ethylmercury is made of larger molecules that cannot enter the brain and exits the body within a week.

    There is no danger in receiving a vaccine with thimerosal – they’re given all over the world and it’s been extensively studied, even for cumulative effects on children over several years. And, keep in mind, if you’re just one of those paranoid types, you can easily request and get a flu shot without the preservative.”

  • Proponent


    ciaparker2 is.. stark.. raving.. mad.

    Ask her about how measles cures cancer.. I dares ya..


  • Al Mather

    Dud… If hundreds millions are vaccinated against measles the only deaths that could possibly occur would be from the 1 in 1 million chance of vaccine reaction.. because the vaccine prevents the measles…get it? 145,000 people died of measles worldwide in 2013.

  • It’s only one CH3 group! How can you possibly act as if that could be any safer???? You’re obviously just a shill!

  • You’re just baiting me now! Why would I do that to myself?

  • Proponent

    Just some rhetorical interrogative subtext to the post.. I wouldn’t either.

    However.. rest assured.. at some point in the future.. ciaparker2 will revisit/regurgitate that particular nonsense.

    It’s like.. she presses rewind and play on a stored tape. Over.. and over.. and over again. With a filter/firewall that prevents any outside factual information from penetrating.

    Kind of.. strangely and fascinating behaviour to observe.

  • I have this visual of these people’s desktops just covered with individual crap-filled files specifically for copy/past. The first 10 are probably just numbered 1-10, and contain stupidity such as “if your kid is vaccinated, why do you need my kid to be vaccinated?” And, “why does the package insert specifically list autism as a side effect of this vaccine?” etc. Then for the rest, each is probably tagged with specific terms that makes them break them out and regurgitate them in response. It’s just so boring to me. No original thoughts, no citations that aren’t standard pseudoscience sites, no desire to actually listen to facts or reason. It’s so bizarre. You’re right, strange and fascinating to watch.

  • ciaparker2

    The Fluzone flyer which has been distributed at Schnucks during flu season for at least the last three years specifies that pregnant women and those over 65 should get the “preservative-free” (i.e. mercury-free) version. It spells out that babies from six months on up should get the Fluzone injected vaccine but does not recommend that they get the mercury-free version. I can send you the flyer and you can see for yourself. They don’t care at all about shooting up millions of children with mercury.

  • ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? For the love of Thor, ANSWER THE GD QUESTION! IDGAF about your flyer or your conspiracy theories. Just answer my simple question! WTF????

  • Anne

    And what half of those children’s mother’s were induced chemically into labor or given drugs during pregnancy & or delivery? There is some evidence that many of these neurological symptoms may be caused by initial trauma in utero by chemicals introduced during this pre-birth stage. Vaccines like drugs do have side effects for some. But I would venture that this is not the only reason, I’m sure there are compound issues here, including our toxic, processed diet. All in all, I was strongly against vaccines as I was instilled by my doctor-fearing mother that they were bad, until I had children of my own and had to make that decision. Reading Dr Sears Book of Vaccines, watching a few documentaries and reading family stories over and over again…but taking my child to the emergency room for one lung infection, hearing that cough and shallow breath was enough. How could I not do everything in my power to protect them from getting seriously ill? I remember having chicken pox it was awful! Let alone something debilitating like Polio. (which by the way has only been nearly eradicated in Northern America due to vast vaccine use. People travel the world where many of these diseases are still prevalent- we are not an island). Why would I wish that on my child? And my cousin nearly died from it as he contracted in his teens. Vaccines do work- that is why we are reaching epidemic outbreak levels of PREVENTABLE diseases in the counties with the most lax requirements. (Central Colorado) I agree people should have a choice in this, but my god, the fear-mongering is unreal. Most people are not making this decision with a true understanding of what vaccines do or HOW BAD the preventable diseases can be. I am truly scared for the future.

  • suz norkan

    She DID! Several times!

    So, for ‘for unlawful carnal knowledge’ sake’ and go ‘for unlawful carnal knowledge’ yourself’, you potty mouthed punks!

    Have a nice day, pastadud! ;)

  • No. She didn’t. Not even close.

  • suz norkan

    I say we get NOT Pro to answer the question of when he’ll be able to write.. a.. complete.. and.. grammatically.. correct .. sentence!

    ‘Erhm! Wangdang! I dunno!’ ;)

    Mwah cia!
    Love, suz! <3

  • suz norkan

    She DID! Except for the DENSE!

  • suz norkan

    If only! Har d har, sabel! ;)

  • Leanne for informed choice

    My point exactly, you stand up there in your authoritarian beliefs but didn’t click on one link?? So how do you know?? I love how you trivialize us and our experiences in face of your own programmed belief systems?? You want everyone to think we have got this all wrong and your the one that is so right????

    1. Hepatitis B Vaccination of Male Neonates and Autism

    Annals of Epidemiology , Vol. 19, No. 9 ABSTRACTS (ACE), September 2009: 651-680,

    p. 659

    CM Gallagher, MS Goodman, Graduate Program in Public Health, Stony Brook University Medical Center, Stony Brook, NY

    PURPOSE: Universal newborn immunization with hepatitis B vaccine was recommended in 1991; however, safety findings are mixed. The Vaccine Safety Datalink Workgroup reported no association between hepatitis B vaccination at birth and febrile episodes or neurological adverse events. Other studies found positive associations between

    hepatitis B vaccination and ear infection, pharyngitis, and chronic arthritis; as well as receipt of early intervention/special education services (EIS); in probability samples of U.S. children. Children with autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) comprise a growing caseload for EIS. We evaluated the association between hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and parental report of ASD.

    METHODS: This cross-sectional study used U.S. probability samples obtained from National Health Interview Survey 1997-2002 datasets. Logistic regression modeling was used to estimate the effect of neonatal hepatitis B vaccination on ASD risk among boys age 3-17 years with shot records, adjusted for race, maternal education, and two-parent household.

    RESULTS: Boys who received the hepatitis B vaccine during the first month of life had 2.94 greater odds for ASD (nZ31 of 7,486; OR Z 2.94; p Z 0.03; 95% CI Z 1.10, 7.90)

    compared to later- or unvaccinated boys. Non-Hispanic white boys were 61% less likely to have ASD (ORZ0.39; pZ0.04; 95% CIZ0.16, 0.94) relative to non-white boys.

    CONCLUSION: Findings suggest that U.S. male neonates vaccinated with hepatitis B vaccine had a 3-fold greater risk of ASD; risk was greatest for non-white boys.

    2. Porphyrinuria in childhood autistic disorder: Implications for environmental toxicity

    Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology, 2006

    Robert Natafa, Corinne Skorupkab, Lorene Ametb, Alain Lama, Anthea Springbettc and Richard Lathed, aLaboratoire Philippe Auguste, Paris, France, Association ARIANE, Clichy, France, Department of Statistics, Roslin Institute, Roslin, UK, Pieta Research,

    This new study from France utilizes a new and sophisticated measurement for environmental toxicity by assessing porphyrin levels in autistic children. It provides clear and unequivocal evidence that children with autism spectrum disorders are more toxic than their neurotypical peers.

    Excerpt: “Coproporphyrin levels were elevated in children with autistic disorder relative to control groups…the elevation was significant. These data implicate environmental toxicity in childhood autistic disorder.”

    Abstract: To address a possible environmental contribution to autism, we carried out a retrospective study on urinary porphyrin levels, a biomarker of environmental toxicity, in 269 children with neurodevelopmental and related disorders referred to a Paris clinic (2002–2004), including 106 with autistic disorder. Urinary porphyrin levels determined by high-performance liquid chromatography were compared between diagnostic groups including internal and external control groups. Coproporphyrin levels were elevated in children with autistic disorder relative to control groups. Elevation was maintained on normalization for age or to a control heme pathway metabolite (uroporphyrin) in the same samples. The elevation was significant (P < 0.001). Porphyrin levels were unchanged in Asperger’s disorder, distinguishing it from autistic disorder. The atypical molecule precoproporphyrin, a specific indicator of heavy metal toxicity, was also elevated in autistic disorder (P 2-fold,

    (3) and produced a delayed and persistent rise (≥2-fold) in baseline Ca2+. THI (100nM,

    5min) recruited more ATP responders, shortened the ATP-mediated Ca2+ transient (≥1.4-

    fold) and produced a delayed rise (≥3-fold) in the Ca2+ baseline, mimicking Ry. THI and

    Ry, in combination, produced additive effects leading to uncoupling of IP3R and RyR1

    signals. THI altered ATP-mediated IL-6 secretion, initially enhancing the rate of but

    suppressing overall cytokine secretion in DCs. DCs are exquisitely sensitive to THI, with

    one mechanism involving the uncoupling of positive and negative regulation of Ca2+

    signals contributed by RyR1.

    5. Gender-selective toxicity of thimerosal.

    Exp Toxicol Pathol. 2009 Mar;61(2):133-6. Epub 2008 Sep 3.

    Branch DR, Departments of Medicine and Laboratory Medicine and Pathobiology, University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada.


    A recent report shows a correlation of the historical use of thimerosal in therapeutic immunizations with the subsequent development of autism; however, this association remains controversial. Autism occurs approximately four times more frequently in males compared to females; thus, studies of thimerosal toxicity should take into consideration gender-selective effects. The present study was originally undertaken to determine the maximum tolerated dose (MTD) of thimersosal in male and female CD1 mice. However, during the limited MTD studies, it became apparent that thimerosal has a differential MTD that depends on whether the mouse is male or female. At doses of 38.4-76.8mg/kg using 10% DMSO as diluent, seven of seven male mice compared to zero of seven female mice tested succumbed to thimerosal. Although the thimerosal levels used were very high, as we were originally only trying to determine MTD, it was completely unexpected to observe a difference of the MTD between male and female mice. Thus, our studies, although not directly addressing the controversy surrounding thimerosal and autism, and still preliminary due to small numbers of mice examined, provide, nevertheless, the first report of gender-selective toxicity of thimerosal and indicate that any future studies of thimerosal toxicity should take into consideration gender-specific differences.

    6. Comparison of Blood and Brain Mercury Levels in Infant Monkeys Exposed to Methylmercury or Vaccines Containing Thimerosal

    Environmental Health Perspectives, Aug 2005.

    Thomas Burbacher, PhD [University of Washington].

    This study demonstrates clearly and unequivocally that ethyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in vaccines, not only ends up in the brain, but leaves double the amount of inorganic mercury as methyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in fish. This work is groundbreaking because little is known about ethyl mercury, and many health authorities have asserted that the mercury found in vaccines is the “safe kind.” This study also delivers a strong rebuke of the Institute of Medicine’s recommendation in 2004 to no longer pursue the mercury-autism connection.

    Excerpt: “A recently published IOM review (IOM 2004) appears to have abandoned the earlier recommendation [of studying mercury and autism] as well as back away from the American Academy of Pediatrics goal [of removing mercury from vaccines]. This approach is difficult to understand, given our current limited knowledge of the toxicokinetics and developmental neurotoxicity of thimerosal, a compound that has been (and will continue to be) injected in millions of newborns and infants.”

    7. Increases in the number of reactive glia in the visual cortex of Macaca fascicularis following subclinical long-term methyl mercury exposure.

    Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology, 1994

    Charleston JS, Bolender RP, Mottet NK, Body RL, Vahter ME, Burbacher TM., Department of Pathology, School of Medicine, University of Washington

    The number of neurons, astrocytes, reactive glia, oligodendrocytes, endothelia, and pericytes in the cortex of the calcarine sulcus of adult female Macaca fascicularis following long-term subclinical exposure to methyl mercury (MeHg) and mercuric chloride (inorganic mercury; IHg) has been estimated by use of the optical volume fractionator stereology technique. Four groups of monkeys were exposed to MeHg (50 micrograms Hg/kg body wt/day) by mouth for 6, 12, 18, and 12 months followed by 6 months without exposure (clearance group). A fifth group of monkeys was administered IHg (as HgCl2; 200 micrograms Hg/kg body wt/day) by constant rate intravenous infusion via an indwelling catheter for 3 months. Reactive glia showed a significant increase in number for every treatment group, increasing 72% in the 6-month, 152% in the 12-month, and 120% in the 18-month MeHg exposed groups, and the number of reactive glia in the clearance group remained elevated (89%). The IHg exposed group showed a 165% increase in the number of reactive glia. The IHg exposed group and the clearance group had low levels of MeHg present within the tissue; however, the level of IHg was elevated in both groups. These results suggest that the IHg may be responsible for the increase in reactive glia. All other cell types, including the neurons, showed no significant change in number at the prescribed exposure level and durations. The identities of the reactive glial cells and the implications for the long-term function and survivability of the neurons due to changes in the glial population following subclinical long-term exposure to mercury are discussed.

    8. Neuroglial Activation and Neuroinflammation in the Brain of Patients with Autism

    Annals of Neurology, Feb 2005.

    Diana L. Vargas, MD [Johns Hopkins University].

    This study, performed independently and using a different methodology than Dr. Herbert (see above) reached the same conclusion: the brains of autistic children are suffering from inflammation.

    Excerpt: “Because this neuroinflammatory process appears to be associated with an ongoing and chronic mechanism of CNS dysfunction, potential therapeutic interventions should focus on the control of its detrimental effects and thereby eventually modify the clinical course of autism.”- See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/30-scientific-studies-showing-the-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/#sthash.XcSNR81U.dpuf

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Ha ha but I’m still here?? so are my family and hundreds of thousands of other people world wide. I’m sure if we got something or died from it the medical profession would have a field day??

  • Leanne for informed choice

    My god your writing looks like someone trying to appear as a parent?? Trying to pretend this was your experience?? While trying to coerce people to vaccinated so they will be good little cattle???

    Was Polio was ever here? Was it ever eradicated ?? Maybe you need to look a little deeper ? Maybe even look at programming populations for financial gain??

    From all the medical studies I have read along with government statistics I’m starting to realise that these epidemics you speak of may have been created with highest numbers in these epidemics occurring after mass vaccination?? Especially in areas there wasn’t any of these diseases??

    Not only did they forget to tell the public the above however, more importantly the removal of Tonsils(once considered useless piece of tissue later learned to be important part of the immune system and the first line of
    defense to diseases) where contributing to Polio epidemics as paralysis was increased from 3 to 5 more likey??http://insidevaccines.com/…/polio-causes-and-effects…/

    Then conveniently they forgot to admit to Polio Provocation Disease which was paralysis in the limb injected occurring after injection of any kind?? All lobbed in to Polio epidemic?? http://www.cam.ac.uk/…/polio-provocation-the-health…

    And you want us to have faith and blindly vaccinated? Like who are you trying to kid??

  • suz norkan

    Thanks for the replication, reproduction and rehash of some ‘bloggers blog’, ‘NOT Pro’ parrot Pro! ;)

  • I have to be blunt here. You’re an idiot. She didn’t answer the question. And either did/can you.
    ANSWER THE QUESTION! It’s very simple. Why have we not seen any decrease in ASD since the removal of thimerosal from vaccines??? ANSWER THE EFFING QUESTION OR ADMIT THAT YOU CANT!

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Before Saba had her shot there had been more than 100 “adverse reaction” presentations at PMH as well as dozens of troubling reports around the state. But this information wasn’t passed on to the general public until after Saba was in the intensive-care unit. Baby Saba is now severely brain damage and was paid huge compensation for this experimental Fluvax vaccine that had been for the first time given to children under 5 ?? RE: What followed has shaken public confidence in one of the world’s most popular immunisation programs. In April last year, four days after baby Saba had her flu shot, Australia’s Chief Medical Officer, Professor Jim Bishop, made the unprecedented decision to ban nationally all the seasonal flu vaccines for the under-5s. Fluvax, the predominant vaccine, was triggering febrile fits in one in every 100 children – 10 times the expected rate. The side-effects, in some cases, were severe, and no-one could explain what had caused them. As the mystery continues, even eminent scientists and medical specialists are now quibbling over the efficacy of flu vaccines, how they are tested and how well they are monitored. With another flu season upon us and the medical community divided, what are we, the public, to make of it all?

    Eleven days before Saba received her seasonal flu shot, across the continent in Brisbane, a family was in shock. David and Nicole Epapara had vaccinated their healthy twin toddlers, two-year-old sisters Ashley and Jaime, at 3pm on April 8. At midnight, Jaime vomited in her cot, while Ashley slept peacefully. When Jaime woke the next morning, her twin lay dead. “We don’t know whether it was the vaccination or some other cause,” David Epapara told The Australian a few weeks later. “It just seems too much of a coincidence, that’s all, for a healthy girl to pass away like that. We’re so shocked, we don’t know what to think.”

    Nor does Brisbane Coroner John Lock, who was unable to determine a cause of death after a five-month investigation. “There was no finding to causally connect the young child’s death with the flu vaccination,” he said. “However, I have concluded that a link between the vaccination and the death cannot be absolutely excluded.”

    The child’s death should have set off alarm bells, but Queensland Health had initially failed to investigate the case because Ashley did not die in a hospital, and the suburban GP who inoculated her had not notified authorities of any possible link with the flu shot.

    Back in Perth, health workers were starting to notice an unusually high rate of fevers and febrile convulsions after children were vaccinated with Fluvax. The six-month-old son of Perth doctor Will Patterson was one of the first to be immunised at a government-run flu clinic in the city. Within hours, the baby was running such a high fever that Patterson feared he might have a fit. “I never thought of reporting it because I thought it was just an individual reaction,” he says. But a couple of weeks later, receptionists at the Port Kennedy Medical Centre where he works began fielding calls from anxious parents. Dr Richard Choong alerted the health department after a child had to be sent to hospital.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/weekend-australian-magazine/virus-in-the-system/story-e6frg8h6-1226063484330

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Because all medical professionals are up to date with latest information we are 2015 are we not????

    RE: Fluvax still being given to children under 5 years

    Some GPs are still failing to heed warnings about not giving Fluvax to children under five, the Department of Health says.
    Despite being banned in under-fives since 2010 following a spate of febrile reactions, there have been 33 cases where Fluvax has been given to a child under five this winter, according to figures relased by the department last week.
    While there have been no adverse reactions recorded from these immunisations, Chief Medical Officer Professor Chris Baggoley said the message was not getting through and he would be urging parents to double-check which vaccines the GP was giving their child.
    “I am concerned that some immunisation providers are still giving … Fluvax to children under the age of five,” he said.
    “Bringing this issue to the attention of parents is also of great assistance, as they can play an important role in ensuring their children are given the right vaccination by speaking up with their primary care practitioner.”
    Related News
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    • Fluvax ban to stay
    Investigations have revealed that Fluvax was sometimes given inappropriately to children because GPs were unaware of the ban or did not check the make of the influenza vaccine when it was removed from the fridge.
    Other incidents of inappropriate administration of Fluvax have occurred when GPs were vaccinating multiple members of family at the same time, or thought the child was older.
    Professor Baggoley said there had been numerous communications to immunisation providers since 2010 reinforcing the message about not using Fluvax in children, as well as efforts to put warnings on labels and packaging of vaccines.
    Information on appropriate vaccination had also been channelled through groups such as the RACGP and medical indemnity organisations, he said.
    “A lot of work has gone into developing systems to prevent incorrect administration of influenza vaccines in this age group,” he said.
    From this season, pharmacy dispensing software includes a “pop up” alert about restrictions on the use of bioCSL Fluvax, he noted.
    “Protection of young children against influenza remains an important health priority and we will continue to make every effort to ensure that no child under five is given bioCSL Fluvax.”

  • Leanne for informed choice

    They wouldn’t know what they injecting into kids and you have no idea either!!!!

  • Jack Sprat


  • ciaparker2

    Well, my friend has a Ph.D., was professor emeritus, and HE didn’t realize that “preservative-free” in the Fluzone advertisement meant “mercury-free,” and was shocked when he realized that it did, as this was so obviously just trying to keep people from realizing that the standard vaccine still has the full complement of mercury.
    Again, I could scan and send you a copy of the flyer to the email address that you like to give me. If you refuse to look at it, then you have no right to say that I am lying about it. I’m holding the flyer now: it has a picture of three people at the top showing off the bandaid over their injection site, having just gotten the Fluzone vaccine at Schnucks (the bandaids say Schnucks). It says “Join the Schnucks Flu Fighters: Fluzone/Fluzone High-Dose/Fluzone Intradermal Vaccine Q & A.” Then: “What are Fluzone, Fluzone HIgh-Dose and Fluzone Intradermal vaccines? Fluzone is a vaccine that helps protect against influenza (the flu). Fluzone vaccine is for people who are 6 months of age and older. Fluzone vaccine is a shot given into the muscle or skin of the arm. Fluzone High-Dose vaccine is a preservative-free vaccine that is a higher dose of Fluzone for people 65 years of age and older. Fluzone High-Dose vaccine generates up to 80% higher antibody levels in the body, providing a significantly higher response from the body against the flu.”
    Then there a question/answer about Why get vaccinated against the flu? When should a person get vaccinated against the flu? Who should get a flu vaccine? Under the section on who should get a flu vaccine, it says: “Pregnant women should get a preservative-free vaccine.”
    Notice that it recommends that infants from six months on up get the Fluzone vaccine, but it does not recommend that they get a mercury-free version. The only groups that it recommends get a mercury-free version are those over 65 and pregnant women.
    You want to see it, great, I’ll scan it and send it. But you can’t just say Liar, everything you say is a lie, if you refuse to look at the flyer.

  • ciaparker2

    Replying to Jack Sprat’s comment asking what Jeremy means by autism cases:

    How disingenuous of you. You know that thousands of parents (every year) see their normally developing children get a shot and regress into autism. And for every last one of them it is a life-wrecking tragedy and we all want justice.

  • ciaparker2

    Obviously single-dose shots of the flu vaccine and live flu vaccine do not have mercury. Now go out on the street and take a survey, and see how many people realize that the standard Fluzone vaccine offered at every drugstore and supermarket in America DOES have 25 mcg of mercury per dose, as much as it ever did.
    Wow, really wrong again. Ethylmercury absolutely DOES cross the blood-brain barrier and in those with a genetic proclivity to store rather than excrete it (everyone in my family), it’s stored in the brain for life, where it causes autism (my daughter), multiple sclerosis (me), paralysis (my father), and Alzheimer’s (my mother). You could read David Kirby’s Evidence of Harm with hundreds of pages documenting the fact that mercury in vaccines devastates the health of many of those who get mercury-containing vaccines. You could read the book The Age of Autism, for more hundreds of pages of scientific and epidemiological documentation on how mercury kills and devastates lives: not only in vaccines, but in standard mercury-containing medication in centuries past, including for syphilis, in teething powders a hundred years ago, in industrial pollution and accidents. The Canadian government commissioned a study on ethylmercury several years ago, and said there was no evidence that it was safer than methylmercury. Indeed, there is much evidence that it is MORE dangerous than methylmercury.
    It is EXTREMELY dangerous to receive a vaccine with thimerosal. Recently Mark Noble and Birbacher have done extensive, detailed research on the biochemical mechanisms involved in the horrendous damage done by mercury in vaccines.

  • ciaparker2

    I just found this with a thirty-second google search:


    Ethylmercury is a lipophilic cation which can cross
    the blood-brain barrier [19 …

  • ciaparker2

    A friend found this different version of the Schnucks advertisement:

  • suz norkan

    Ah! The vulgar arrogance of the unsagacious!

    A riddle for your consideration in easy to comprehend terms for the extremely exploitable and unsophisticated like you.

    * you’ve been missing eggs from the hen house
    * you ask the wolf [who’s been known to be dishonest] if he’s the thief
    * he answers ‘NO!’
    * you continue to find the hen house being robbed

    Of course there could be several illogical assumptions for this enigma!

    However, the only answer one can give to those oblivious to the obvious, is to advise them to open their eyes!

    You’ve been answered and answered and answered! “Already know you that which you need!”

    And clean up that foul mouth of yours, child!

  • Jack Sprat

    Hi Cia, I don’t know if you saw that I took my inquiry down once I established who Jeremy Ayres, assuming that is his name.
    You are however being assumptive. He mentions autism only. No reference is made to vaccines; it may perhaps be inferred given the forum he has posted, however he may have posted here given the audience this forum draws. It is not clear. In Canada several issues surrounding autism have been litigated. A searchable case law database is available at CanLii(dot)org.

    Cia can you now kindly respond to my inquiry regarding the letter?

  • Jack Sprat

    Hi Cia; there is NO MERCURY in any vaccine, rather there may be Ethylmercury (EM for convenience) in very few. EM does cross the brain blood barrier, on that you are correct. It does not bio-accumulate however, and clears the body within approx 120 days.

    Should you wish to make a comparison to EM and Mercury, let us use salt, NaCl, sodium chloride. Individually either component Sodium and Chlorine may be toxic, however as an ionic compound it merely adds flavour to food and melts ice. Do not confuse the cation Ethylmercury and Mercury or Methylmercury.

    There is no evidence as you claim, supporting “The Canadian government commissioned a study on ethylmercury several years ago, and said there was no evidence that it was safer than methylmercury. Indeed, there is much evidence that it is MORE dangerous than methylmercury.”

    Canadian study: phac-aspc(dot)gc(dot)ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/07vol33/acs-06/index-eng(dot)php

    and I will jump right to the conclussions

    “Public confidence in vaccines and high rates of vaccine uptake are critical to the continued effectiveness of immunization programs. Even when risks are purely theoretical, experience has shown that unaddressed public concerns can drastically decrease immunization coverage, to the detriment of public health. Thus the call to remove thimerosal from vaccines seeks to maintain public confidence by avoiding even theoretical risk.”

  • ciaparker2

    I have looked for the original source of Dr. Romanus’ 1995 letter but have not been able to find it. I know the name of the Swedish institution to which she sent it, and when I have time I’ll try to find it in its annals, or find someone who works there whom I could ask.
    I doubt I am being assumptive. The hot button issue is justice for the parents of vaccine-damaged children, especially those who react with autism, especially since the damage is so grievous and yet roundly dismissed and denied by the perpetrators. My reply when I posted it said that I was replying to a comment which was no longer there, which I didn’t understand since it was right in front of me.

  • ciaparker2

    Not true. Ethylmercury is even more dangerous than methylmercury. It is still in possibly half of all injected flu vaccines in full force and in trace amounts which are still much higher than the hazardous waste limit or safe drinking water limit. My baby was given the hep-B vaccine at the hospital when she was born without permission and with the full 25,000 ppb of mercury that it always had, a YEAR after a congressional investigation which found that the hep-B vaccine was very dangerous and should never be given with mercury. Merck said they’d stop making it with mercury, but they continued to see existing stores of it for another few years, and the hospital gave it to my baby, who reacted with screaming syndrome for four days and nights (vaccine encephalitis) and symptoms of mercury toxicity (rash, sweating on her head even in cool rooms). She was later diagnosed with autism.
    Look at Mark Noble’s research on the many ways in which mercury in thimerosal does its damage. Look at Boyd Haley’s research on how mercury causes mitochondrial disorder. Mercury in vaccines was always very dangerous and continues to be.

  • ciaparker2

    While mercury in itself has caused a lot of autism, just plain vaccine encephalitis can also cause autism. The immune system has to react with inflammation to any vaccine, to force it to produce antibodies. Unfortunately, many people mount too vigorous of an inflammatory response, it involves the brain, and the swelling of the brain cuts off circulation, especially to the language and social center of the brain, doing stroke-like damage. My daughter, for example, had severe encephalitic reactions to two vaccines, and now has not only autism, but aphasia, which is stroke-like damage to the language center of the brain. Any vaccine can cause encephalitis.

  • Jack Sprat

    I am not going to post her email address however;Dr Victoria Romanus, The Swedish Institute for
    Infectious Disease Control
    SE 17182 Solna
    Phone: 0046 8 4572381, her English is excellent.
    I work for an NGO that provides emergency medical assistance. I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV. The Dr’s with whom I work are from all over the globe, Sweden included. The letter to which you refer does not exist. It never did exist. Some of the things you read on the internet just aren’t true.

    Yes I knocked my reply down once I realized who he was, timing is everything I guess. The Canadian courts do not take kindly to plaintiffs wasting their time. Recently the Superior Court of Ontario ordered a child of divorced parents to be vaccinated prior to travelling. The motion was brought forward by the father against the desires of the custodial mother. Common sense prevailed.

  • Proponent

    No thanks on the note of your suggested reading list of.. colouring books.


    Why have we not seen any decrease in ASD since the removal of thimerosal from vaccines. ciaparker2?

  • Proponent

    Ph.D.? In what? Spanish?

    That aside..

    Curious as to why are you evading and/or avoiding this following question, ciaparker2..

    “Why have we not seen any decrease in ASD since the removal of thimerosal from vaccines?”

  • Proponent

    Not interested in your fabrications, lies and deceits, ciaparker2.

  • ciaparker2

    You’re hilarious! When faced with irrefutable facts, a commercial advertisement of a supermarket chain which says that if anyone should want a mercury-free Fluzone vaccine, like pregnant women, they’ll have to special order it. And you just reflexively say Lies! No wonder you guys are losing!

  • ciaparker2

    Thank you for the information! That’s interesting that she works in Solna, I used to live in Bromma (a suburb of Stockholm) with my husband, and Solna is a short distance from there.
    I’ll see if I can find anything out about the letter.

  • Proponent

    You seem to have forgotten our first dance with respect to “Schnucks Flu Fighters” … I haven’t.

    You lied and obfuscated to suit your erroneous (and quite frankly in my humble opinion, twisted) narrative back then.

    And alllllll.. the other numerous times (dating back to 2009) whenever you make mention of this same deceit.

    So here we are, once again.. and in less than an hour (plus, really.. since it was FsmPastapharian that originally posed the question to you in this thread) back to you evading the operative question at hand, ciaparker2..

    Why have we not seen any decrease in ASD since the removal of thimerosal from vaccines, ciaparker2?

  • ciaparker2

    Easy. Because vaccine encephalitis often causes autism even in the absence of mercury. The immune system HAS to react with inflammation to a vaccine or no antibodies would be produced. But MANY people react with TOO MUCH inflammation, which often involves the brain, and the inflammation of the brain tissue cuts off circulation, most crucially to the language and social center of the brain. The longer the inflammation continues, the more severe the damage done. My baby screamed inconsolably for four days and nights, sixteen hours a day, passing out into a stupor the other eight hours, and only woke to start screaming again. And that was enough to cause severe brain damage and autism. We’re now seeing another speech therapist who says she has aphasia, which is massive stroke-like damage to the language center of the brain. Any vaccine can cause an encephalitic reaction, since the immune system is always extremely alarmed and goes into high gear upon the receipt of any vaccine. Genetic predisposing factors probably play a large role.
    And you have not pointed out ANY erroneous statement in what I said about the Schnucks Flu Fighters flyer. You saw from the link to a Schnucks Fluzone advertisement that they ADMIT that they have to special order a mercury-free one if you want one. They’re used to everyone just accepting the mercury-containing version, and most of them have NO IDEA that it has mercury, since the most they’ll admit to is a “preservative.”


  • I’m not sure if you’re asking me or telling me, since you use multiple question marks (they look like this: ???) at the end of almost every sentence. But one thing I am certain of is that you still have not directly addressed my question. 33 children being given a preserved vaccine would not exactly make a blip on the radar. Now, I’m going to type this very slowly in the hopes that you will understand it. I’ll even put it in bold for you:
    Where is the precipitous drop that would have been expected with the removal of thimerosal from vaccines? I don’t know how much more clear I can be with this question.

  • Where is the precipitous drop that would have been expected with the removal of thimerosal from vaccines?

  • The contortions and efforts that cia and suz put into evading this very straightforward question seriously makes my eyes glaze over. They are the ones always begging for a study with vaxed vs unvaxxed, yet here we have a situation where, if their suspicion is correct, there should be a direct effect seen and a sudden dramatic drop in the cases of autism. To anyone reading these posts, this seems so clear and obvious, and just shows that they will go to any length to ignore data and evidence. Emabarrassing, really. And intellectually very dishonest.

  • Ian Sane
  • Proponent

    ciaparker2: “My baby screamed inconsolably for four days and nights, sixteen hours a day, passing out into a stupor the other eight hours, and only woke to start screaming again.”

    Question: And of course you took her to emergency.. what did they say?

    Answer: I did nothing of the sort.

    Lies.. deceits.. and fabrications.

  • ANSWER THE QUESTION ALREADY! Stop pivoting, twisting, and dancing around a very simple question! Are you now moving the goalposts? Again? So now thimerosal (not to be confused with methyl mercury) is not the cause of ASD?

  • suz norkan

    SENSE, SYLLOGIZE and SANCTION THE ‘ANSWERS’ staring you right in the face, grasshopper!

  • More avoidance. More bloviating. More obfuscation.
    My direct and simple question deserves a direct and simple answer. Answer the question.

  • suz norkan

    I get it, Leanne! Sabel gets it too, as does cia. I don’t know why pastadude is having such a comprehension meltdown along with his other tantrums!

  • suz norkan

    Apparently you can’t HANDLE the answer, pastadude!

    You’ve been answered over and over and over.

    Perhaps you should reassess, revise & rephrase your naive question!

    Grow up! You’re not fooling ONE SINGLE reader here!

  • suz norkan

    Prove it! Unequivocally PROVE that the thimerosal has been removed from vax!

    Conclusively, categorically, competently and with COMPLETE consensus, PROVE that all thimerosal has been removed from all the vax as casually concluded by the cdc, et al! You can NOT!

  • suz norkan

    Asked and answered! Thank you cia.

    As I wrote replied to Leanne in this same commentary, everyone but this crew has understood the detailed answers by you, Leanne, David, sabel, etc.!

    I do so hate hackneyed and hum drum cliches, but nothing else seems to get through to this particular crew. If they want to understand the answers, [as they CLAIM they do] ‘first they need to take the blinders off!’ ;)

  • suz norkan

    Har d har! They make for great vaudeville though, huh cia? ;)

  • suz norkan

    You’re certainly the LIAR, ‘NOT Pro’, parrot pro.

    You say you’ve communicated with cia for 3 yrs. Then please explain why your disqus join date shows you signed up merely MONTHS ago!

  • suz norkan

    The ONLY ’embarrassment here, refers to the dupable, imperceptive and nescient, like you, whose ‘eyes are glazed over’ from your ‘rose colored glasses’.

    Either the characteristics above pertain to you, or YOU are the fraudulent, unscrupulous posters knowingly spreading disinformation!

  • This isn’t a game of fool the reader. I asked a single simple question, and you have continually ignored it and avoided any attempt at answering it because it didn’t fit your narrative. The only one who is blatantly obvious in their dishonesty are you and your gaggle of pseudoscience-swilling denialists. AND, you still have not answered the question.

  • This is what you’ve come up with? Really? After all that deflecting, you’re best is to throw back a wheaton about the compensation of a drug whose every step of manufacture is clearly and strictly controlled and regulated? That’s great.

    Tell ya what suz, all toy have to do is grab a vial of the any (or every) vaccine and take it to an independent lab for analysis. Then, if you’re right, think of the fame and fortune that would come to you for exposing such an evil conspiracy. I’m sure every network would be fighting for your time. You might even get to be a guest on Bill Maher’s show.

  • boring

  • Jack Sprat

    I’m sorry Cia, Methylmercury bio-accumulates and the most common human exposure sources are via the food chain and coal burning.
    Ethylmercury is non-bioaccumulative. You made a reference to a Canadian study; I provided the Canadian study. Did you read it?

    The context of Dr. Noble’s comments, are, as provided in the book you recommended: “One hypothesis to explain the sudden increase in prevalence is that changes in diagnosis and increased interest in autism caused an enhanced recognition of children with these syndromes.” The other comments in AoA were cherry picked and not complete statements reflective of the the Dr’s position. Dr Noble was providing critique of another’s study. Please read: Mark Noble, PhD, Department of Biomedical Genetics, University of Rochester
    Medical Center. ―The scientific case for re-examining the safety of vaccine additives.‖
    Statement to the Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee on Autism Research
    (IACC). Washington, DC. February 2, 2009.

    Boyd Haley said: “I have been a strong proponent of investigating thimerosal as the casual agent for autism spectrum disorders based on the biological science that shows thimerosal to be incredibly toxic, especially to infants.” I get that. I am also a strong proposal for investigating.

    Then he said: “If, indeed, the complete removal of thimerosal from vaccines was not followed in an appropriate time by a decrease in autism then this would be solid proof that thimerosal was not causal for autism.”

    So given that Thimerosal was removed why do we have an increased rate of autism diagnosis?

  • ciaparker2

    All right, a four-week old baby died of pertussis. The article, however, failed to answer the important questions. Where did the infant catch pertussis? Was he being kept sheltered at home to protect him from catching pertussis, or was he taken out and about? The new acellular vaccine is extremely ineffective, meaning that even a large percentage of people who recently got the vaccine can STILL transmit pertussis. If one of the parents had a bad cough, were they using face masks when near the infant for his protection? And after he got pertussis, was he treated with high-dose vitamin C therapy, an extremely effective way of curing pertussis even in the youngest infants? Probably not, since it is not in the treatment protocol of any hospital, even though it’s the only thing which would work. The below links demonstrate that the pertussis vaccine is only effective in about half of toddlers and a fifth of school-aged children, and that vitamin C therapy is very effective in treating pertussis.




  • ciaparker2

    Ethymercury is metabolized into methylmercury and then converted to inorganic mercury, which is then stored, often for life, in the brain, bones, and internal organs, where it wreaks havoc.
    Mark Noble presented evidence at an Institute of Medicine meeting on autism and the environment showing that levels of mercury from thimerosal in the brains of vaccinated infants interfered with normal growth and the development of precursor cells in the brain. He has shown that ethymercury is as effective as methymercury in activating cellular response pathways which lead to degradation of cell surface receptors of critical importance to normal cell division and survival. Thimerosal promotes the programmed cell death (apoptosis) of neuronal stem cell lines, with several studies showing that mitochondria are involved in the process. One of the largest and most vulnerable cell lines, the Purkinje cells of the cerebellum, have been shown to undergo early cell death in cases of autism. Thimerosal alters signaling in the immune system. Thimerosal causes first a suppression and then a hyperactivation of the immune response. A team led by Isaac Pessah of the MIND Institute showed that both immature and mature dendritic cells (cells involved in innate immune response) are exquisitely sensitive to thimerosal: thimerosal disrupts the redox balance and other signaling channels at parts per billion (or nanomolar) concentrations.
    Boyd Haley said: The toxin that caused the autism epidemic had to increase in all fifty states around 1988 and 1990. It has to have a gender bias, affecting more boys than girls (as autism does). Only mercury-containing compounds can explain such a profound difference; they have a stronger negative effect on males than females in the form of neurological impairment and lethality. Thimerosal in childhood vaccines is the only item Haley could think of which would meet these requirements.
    The toxin causing autism causes oxidative stress. Nothing is more effective than mercury at causing oxidative stress, which is identified by very high mitochondrial dysfunction. Over 85% of autistic children tested have been shown to have this dysfunction. The very tight binding of the mercury to the electron-transporting system of mitochondria has been proven to cause high production of toxic chemical intermediaries, leading to oxidative stress and to many of the biochemical abnormalities found in autistic children.
    In addition to oxidative stress, thimerosal and mercury will suppress the immune system, decrease methyl B-12 production and the proper chemical modification of DNA and RNA, cause membrane-tight junctions to become leaky, leading to intestinal dysbiosis, decrease molybdenum levels, which leads to higher sulfite and lower sulfate levels, which leads to abnormal myelination of the nervous system and corresponding neurological damage.
    Thimerosal is still in about half of all injected flu vaccines in full force, 25 mcg per dose. It is still in many vaccines in dangerous “trace” amounts, which are still way above the hazardous waste limit and the safe drinking water limit, and again, many people store it in their brains and other organs for life.
    Beyond that, any vaccine can cause encephalitis. All vaccines are designed to shock the immune system into producing an inflammatory response to make it produce antibodies. But many people’s immune systems are very active and protective, and, when faced with a massive, sudden invasion of weird, dangerous antigens, mounts too much of an inflammatory response, which involves the brain (encephalitis). While the swelling of the brain is in place, it cuts off circulation, especially to the language and social centers of the brain, causing, usually depending on the length of time the inflammation is present, severe damage to these area, just the same way a stroke does. My daughter reacted to the hep-B vaccine at birth, given without permission and against my express wishes, as I had read even in 2000 that it often caused autism, with four days and nights of endless, inconsolable screaming. And that was enough to severely damage the language and social centers of her brain, and, of course, she was later diagnosed with autism. She is very low verbal, though she is thought to be of normal intelligence. A speech therapist said a couple of weeks ago that she has aphasia, massive, stroke-like damage to the language center of her brain.
    So the answer to your question is that 1) mercury is still being injected into children and adults at dangerous levels, and 2) just the simple reaction of the individual immune system to the invasion of the vaccine often causes an encephalitic reaction independent of whether or not it has mercury. The MMR has never had mercury, as a live vaccine, and yet has often caused autism.

  • Jack Sprat

    Ethylmercury, C2H5Hg+. Methylmercury, CH3Hg+

    Note they are both positive cations.

    Please explain how Ethylmercury is metabolized into Methylmercury. Physicists everywhere are waiting.

    Dr. Mark Noble provided a critique, read the publication from which AoA extrapolated his comments.

    Boyd Haley made the statement you suggest in the time frame you provide HOWEVER he changed his tune twenty years later with the quotations I provided above. The entire article can be read at vaccinationnews(dot)org/boyd_haley_1-8-08(dot)htm.

    He contradicted his previous statement because NEW INFORMATION was available

  • ciaparker2

    Dr. Paul G. King noticed and articulated, among other realities, in his latest posting that during the metabolic process in the human and animal bodies the supposedly “harmless” ethylmercury compound, Thimerosal, is metabolized (converted) into the toxic and “harmful” methylmercury. And then in turn, the harmful methylmercury is metabolized (converted) into the most harmful, long-term-toxic, “inorganic” mercury that is retained in bodily tissue.

  • ciaparker2

    Boyd Haley taking on Dr. Profit last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmjxuGIc06g

  • Jack Sprat

    read his paper then explain to me how a radical cation is metabolized. I edited my response.

  • Jack Sprat

    Nor is Methylmercury metabolized, it is bioaccumulated.

  • suz norkan

    The only one looking foolish in your petulant and transparent declination is you!

    ‘The’ question’s been appropriately answered many times. You just don’t LIKE ‘THE ANSWER!’ ;(

    Furthermore pastadud, I AM science! ;)

  • Proponent

    ciaparker2: “I have looked for the original source of Dr. Romanus’ 1995 letter but have not been able to find it. I know the name of the Swedish institution to which she sent it, and when I have time I’ll try to find it in its annals, or find someone who works there whom I could ask.”

    Look what I found (simple google search using the terms; “ciaparker2 Dr. Romanus”)..

    Mike Stevens: “Pertussis vaccination was stopped in Sweden following scurrilous scaremongering about side effects from the old DPT vaccine, as well as doubts over vaccine efficacy. I am well aware of that Cia.

    Are you unaware that Sweden resumed vaccination in 1997?
    If pertussis was such a mild and beneficial disease as you say, why did the health authorities even bother?

    The answer is that pertussis cases had increased in Sweden again, causing complications at rates approaching those seen in the developing world. I gave you the cite for that. I know it doesn’t give the exact number of deaths – maybe it was 20 deaths, maybe it was 50? You don’t know either, exactly. But the data stating the cases and complications increased is quite sound.

    Your pal Romanus even stated how the cases had increased 4 fold in the first 3 years vaccines were stopped. She details that in the decade 1969-1979 before vaccines were stopped, there were no deaths from pertussis. NONE whatsoever. Then in the period 1981-1983 without vaccine, there were 3 deaths.

    Here are the complications (apart from death) they saw in that time:
    2282 hospitalisations ( a fourfold increase)
    90 cases of neurological complications/encephalitis
    321 cases of pneumonia

    Here is the Table from the Romanus paper.

    If you can’t see that by 1985 the incidence rate was 3200 per 100,000 children, even after seeing the damn data in front of your eyes (and keep insisting “60% of kids got pertussis” then you certainly are a pathological liar.”

  • suz norkan

    Aw! So that’s a ‘NO’ on you PROVING that thimerosal has been removed from all vax! Surprise! Surprise!

    Controlled and regulated by bedfellows! Bwa haha!

    The comedy act will come when your friends and family visit you in federal lockup for theft from one of the most powerful global entities.

    However, along the lines of ‘One Hundred Forty Dead Scientists’, I doubt you’d do any time at all! Pharmaganda can get hostile when one airs their dirty laundry.

    Thanks for the giggles, pastadud! ;)

  • suz norkan

    You absolutely are, pastadud! ;(

    If you ever become sophisticated enough to understand corporate greed, all of your fledgling perplexities will then become conspicuous to you, and will enable you to move on to some avant garde ‘queries!’ ;)

  • Proponent

    Oh, hai scuz … question, if I may?

    Did you just recently get banned from kppc?

    What’s that make now.. a baker’s dozen of sites that you were banned from for trolling and disruptive behaviour?

  • suz norkan

    Nope! Your count and list appear to be off. It’s still 8.

    And NOT that I’d ever been banned for the ‘trolling’ thingy or unbecoming behavior like you, NOT Pro, parrot Pro!

    How many sites has it been for you now, ‘NOT ppp’, achieving the record for every single disqus site where you’d posted; 200? 250?

  • And shockingly, you still have avoided the very simple question. Your silence on the issue is deafening and childish.

  • suz norkan

    Answered! You decline to accept. You are the deaf and blind one!

  • First of all, I do not have to prove any such thing. You were tasked with answering a simple question. You addressed it by simply twisting your logic and asking a different question.

    So, by your logic, every employee involved in the manufacturing and packaging process at several large pharmaceutical companies are part of a complex conspiracy focused on keeping preservatives present in sterile, single-use vaccines, where they are completely unnecessary. And THAT is your contorted explanation for why we have not seen a correlation between removal of thimerosal and a decrease in ASD diagnoses. Let alone that the employees in QC and manufacturing/production are not rich by any stretch of the imagination, and could EASILY expose this high-level conspiracy at any time.

    And you wonder why sane people think your group is paranoid and delusional, in addition to being scientifically illiterate.

  • Your answer and cia’s answers are significantly different. Gee, I’m shocked that you didn’t each fabricate the same trash to explain something that doesn’t exist, i.e., the drop in ASD since the removal of thimerosal.

  • suz norkan

    Of course you do! You made the claim that thimerosal was out of all vax so why are we not seeing decline in the diagnosis of asd’s!

    The onus is on YOU to PROVE that all thimerosal is now removed from ALL vax!

    Secondly, you are truly naive to think that the employees in the production lines have ANY say over what the p.r. spins.

    I don’t wonder or CARE about what the myopic minded like you think. And no SANE person would opine ME [I have no group] to be paranoid or delusional.

    Furthermore, unlike you, a SANE person would also opine my ‘scientific literacy’ to be ‘damn skippy!’

    BOP on you darlin’! Prove there is no longer thimerosal in vax! Until you do, your rhetoric is moot!

  • suz norkan

    They’re NOT ‘significantly’ different. She expounded on the encephalitis which also occurs, and I also CONCUR. She did not however, detract in any way, the fact that thimerosal remains in vax.

    You’re grasping at straws, pastadud. There are far too many variables in medicine, bio science and the human body AND personas, for all of our comments to be ‘cookie cutter!’

  • delusional, and in total denial. you’re blinded by your bias.

  • suz norkan

    ‘Curious as to why you and pasta can’t comprehend and/or won’t accept’ the answer given.

    All other readers don’t appear to be suffering the distress that you and pasta obviously are, over cias reply!

  • suz norkan

    you said to yourself while looking in a mirror

    you’re too late – I had you pegged as ‘myopic minded’ weeks ago

    dead horse, pastadud

  • It must be exhausting being you.

  • suz norkan

    I LOVE being me!

  • Proponent

    scuz norkan: “Your count and list appear to be off. It’s still 8.”

    I don’t think ‘8’ is correct.

    List the sites, then, scuz.. that you’ve been banned from for trolling and unruly and disruptive behaviour/conduct.

  • suz norkan

    It’s right! I’ve not been banned from several sites you all THINK I’ve been banned on.

    Eight is correct including the one where I just had a death in the family and my distress may have shown in my comments. Sorry, ‘NOT’ Pro, parrot Pro! ;(

    So the only one I deserved was laist! One!

    How ’bout you? Still somewhere between 250 and 300, right?

  • Proponent

    Your reply/response does not constitute a list of the ‘8’ sites that you say and just admitted that you’ve been banned from..

    scuz norkan: “Your count and list appear to be off. It’s still 8.”

  • suz norkan

    Oh look! It’s ‘NOT Pro’ parrot Pro, parroting!

    I said farther above, ‘your count and list appear to be off. It’s still 8’.

    Then the parrot squawks ‘suz norkan; your count and list appear to be off. It’s still 8.’ Hmm? Whatever does the ‘parrot’ fish for?

    Of which I’m then compelled to reply to his prosaic and pointless parroting yet again, ‘your count and list appear to be off. It’s still 8.’

    note; admitting ONLY to biased censorship for 7 of those 8

    You want a list, darlin’, ‘go fish!’ ;)

  • Jack Sprat

    There is no “taking on.” Once their respective resumes had been presented, a selection of sound bights were edited together to serve the purposes of the editors. 30 minutes I won’t get back Cia. Not amused.

  • Jack Sprat

    Following the reading of their resumes, I see two individuals speaking to a camera, in different settings. The monologues are selectively edited to suit the purpose of the compiler. Nobody “takes on” anybody. The monologues are devoid of context. 30 minutes I will never get back. Not amused Cia.

  • Jack Sprat

    Then express the metabolic energy equation.

  • ciaparker2

    Yeah, you’re not amused because Haley mopped the floor with Offit, conclusively showing the dangers of thimerosal and vaccines in general. Offit is notorious for refusing to directly debate a vaccine critic because he KNOWS he would be unable to contend.

  • suz norkan

    Offit seems a perfect study for the body language of arrogant liars! He’s quite flagrantly obvious; even up to the placement of his VAX books for the camera!

    Contrary to the findings of Jack Sprat, I guffawed, chortled and har d har’ed through Offit’s portion of the entire vid.

    If not for the generations of innocent babes harmed by the ‘Offit’s and their pretentious conjecture,’ his excerpt of the interviews would have made terrific burlesque!

    According to Offit, we should be looking for the cause of asd’s ‘in the pudding where the PROOF is! Bwa haha!

    Now that’s amusing! ;)

  • suz norkan

    Being worked on! I’ve been awaiting for someone to conclusively and unequivocally disprove such studies!

    In the interim, a great read from the Journal of Toxicology, dated 2012, showing thimerosal derived ethylmercury to be a mitachondrial toxin in human astrocytes.

    No cheating! Read the entire study; not just the last 2 sentences! ;)

  • Jack Sprat

    It is a good read. I was compelled to forward it to a friend who’s’ field this is, to discuss, before my tired brain imploded. It seems that there is an assumption, rather a suggestion, “we suggest a mechanism for the toxicity of organomercury, ” that ethylmercury would be consistent with other organomercurys. Molecular biology is not my strong suit, I roll with physics.
    There is a follow up to this paper however.

    There are a number of reasons (C2H5Hg)+ cannot be metabolized ( by humans). Consider the molar mass, it is non aqueous cation, would require an oxidizer, and the energy exchange would, theoretically, be enormous.


    and no cheating applies to you too

    Ciao Bella

  • Jack Sprat

    There was no floor mopping as there was no debate Cia. You will find most scientists refrain from engaging in debates. Facts do not change with popular opinion, in fact the inverse should ultimately hold true.

  • ciaparker2

    I would iinvite the reader to watch the video himself and judge. Many of us saw floor mopping. No, it wasn’t a debate because Offit refuses to debate a vaccine critic, being fully aware that he would lose, and lose humiliatingly.

  • Jack Sprat

    I would suggest he declined as facts remain facts without regard for the opinions of Boyd Haley. Yes the same Boyd Haley that flogged OSR #1, was found in violation of five sections of the FDA. Boyd Haley expressed his industrial cleaning product, N1,N3-bis (2-mercaptoethyl)-isophthalamide
    contained naturally occurring ingredients such as those found in berries and nuts. Yes and those same ingredients are found in Ecstasy as well. That Boyd Haley.

  • ciaparker2

    He declined because he knows that we have all the facts and he just has the pharma line.

  • Proponent

    ciaparker2: ” Many of us saw floor mopping.”

    ‘Floor mopping’?

    Is that a euphemism used in your circles for a ‘heavily and poorly edited’ video?

  • Jack Sprat

    I wasn’t aware that you had discussed this with him.

  • suz norkan

    I had read the more current research as well, which I felt to be even more involved. Thank you, J.

    And again, certainly worth the read, since this study actually shows the mechanism which compromises redox and makes so many susceptible to toxicity by being less able to detoxify.

    So, no, albeit, painstaking to read, I haven’t cheated either, as I try to recall much of my bio med.

    And I’m very interested in knowing what your friend thinks of studies showing that the ‘scientific door’ on very involved research is far from closed and locked.

    Am sending some shorty abstract linkers for your perusal also.

    After reading, you should at least consider that (etHg) does NOT readily exit the bod; can and DOES cross blood brain barrier; IS a mitochondrial toxin, and remains in vax across the globe.

    If you or your friend won’t consider the possibilities of such, or if you’ve can prove that these studies have already been ‘disproved’, I’d sure be tickled to know why.

    Just because wikiped says etHg does NOT bioaccumulate and refers to some studies done in ’08, does not mean that it remains the case in ’15.

    You used the word suggest, as in ‘studies suggest.’ That is ALL anyone is doing until there is unequivocal proof. And that proof could very well be momentary and fleeting. The biggest thing to come away with these newer studies, is that we don’t yet know enough of thimerosal/etHg’s effect in our babes and that far more research needs done before continuing to inject generations of children with neurotoxins.

    That and of course making absolutely sure that anything we are putting into our children is a safe as possible.

    So many ‘mandatory’ vaxers go gung ho over misrepresenting Paracelsus, [dose is the poison], yet forget another well known wise man; Hippocrates – ‘let they food be thy medicine.’





    Knowing these possibilities J, would you STILL feel safe injecting this into your child due to only a tentative outbreak which can be subsequently treated quickly with medical intervention. What if your child was the 1 in 68?

    Thanks for your consideration, J!
    Love, suz!

  • Proponent

    I guffawed, chortled and har d har’ed through scuz’ entire post above!

    From this Herculean comma splice of a sentence..

    scuz norkan: “So, no, albeit, painstaking to read, I haven’t cheated either, as I try to recall much of my bio med tec.”

    … right down to her citations!

    Apparently, scuz’ ‘bio med tec’ didn’t cover what is and what is not.. actual first tier, peer-reviewed research (hint: ‘open access’.. I could get a paper in that journal).

    Here.. scuz.. educate yourself before you embarrass yourself further in these attempts..

    Judging the quality of science sources

    Evaluating scientific research quality for better skeptical analysis

    Helping others.. it’s.. what I do.

    Even for banned disruptive trolls like scuz (a dozen sites as of this writing here.. and.. counting).

  • Proponent

    scuz norkan: “No cheating! Read the entire study; not just the last 2 sentences! ;)”

    Didn’t have to read even that far.. stopped at.. ‘open access’.

  • Proponent

    ciaparker2: “I’ll see if I can find anything out about the letter.”

    Just simply bookmarking ciaparker2’s comment here for future reference.. when she tries to pass off this yet to be produced (read; ‘non-existent’) letter once more.

  • suz norkan

    I’ll take MY ‘Herculean comma splice’ over your choppy and pointless periods any day. I think Mr. Write needs to give you some expedited, remedial courses.

    Had I been more attentive, I may have written, ‘So no! Albeit painstaking to read, bla biddy blabla!’ There now! All better!

    The difference between our faux pas, is that yours are frequent and mine are rare. And I actually already understand proper grammar.

    No! You need at least a modicum of intellect to have papers accepted! Yet another difference that separates the enlightened like me, from the witless and pilfering parrots like you, NOT Pro, ‘parrot’ Pro!

    Pfft! ‘Peer reviewed’ requires no more effort than you and your ‘gang flaggers and upvoters,’ corruptly having innocent posters removed from the commentary! The secondary feature to such deceit, is the unusual ability to acquire 30 upvotes in 10 mins. for a very mundane post. So much for the illusion of ‘peer reviewed.’ Try reading the content some day, darlin’!

    Furthermore, YOU should know by now, if you were the old [before disqus banishment] parrot Pro, that suz doesn’t do citations. I offered some linkers to Jack for his [and readers] considerations.

    Lastly, ’12 sites for disruptive trolling’ is just a dishonest fabrication by you and your new friends. There are 8 disqus sites that I’ve been suppressed from, and mostly where the censorship was prejudiced, unwarranted and poorly administered. However, generally the excessive exclusions were certainly NOT for poor behavior! And I should know! ;)

    As I’ve said before, I certainly have little control over sites with biased and less than genuine moderation!

    Aw! Ruh roh parrot Pro! Curses! Foiled again! The one dragging toilet paper on his shoe throughout the vax war blogs, is still YOU!

  • suz norkan

    Aw! ‘NOT’ PpP! I knew that you & your pals couldn’t make it through.

    I also realize that it’s a challenge for him, but let’s hope that Mr. Write can teach you several words beyond ‘open’ and ‘access!’

    There was so much more to the abstracts, had you only been literate and receptive enough to comprehend and consider them!

  • suz norkan

    To ‘NOT’ PpP,
    Since no one is reading this far in, and you quoted me above, I think it fair to let any late lurkers in on what my comment referenced.

    Cia had posted a linker to Jack Sprat. I watched the referenced vid of two Drs. being separately interviewed.

    While Jack responded that he wasn’t ‘amused,’ I let cia know that Paul Offits body language was clear & transparent for ‘I don’t really give a damn,’ while I also noted his banal cliche of ‘the proof in the pudding!’

    The linker below takes readers to my full comment of which your pilfered excerpt attempts to ridicule me, instead of characterizing the intended recipient; Paul Offit.


  • Proponent

    I opine.. that this post of scuz.. is.. TL;DR.

    And further opine.. that it is a disproportionate response to the post that scuz is replying to .. and .. then some.

    This post.. is fully justified.

  • suz norkan

    In your case, your reply above should state, Too Long;COULDN’T Read Aw! What a shame for you, ‘NOT’ PpP!

    I opine that you STILL can’t write a grammatically correct sentence. I also ‘opine’ that you continue to pilfer prose presented by suz.

    And I further ‘opine’ that such prolixity was pressing given that YOUR post produced at least 5 polar points.

    Additionally, my posts are always justified, ‘NOT’ Pro parrot Pro!

    Lastly, just in case you truly couldn’t make it to the end of my comment, ‘you’re still dragging t.p. on the bottom of your shoe, darlin’! ;)

  • Paula Cull

    Why do you think his child is autistic? A not particularly bright person with crappy genes produced an autistic child. But let’s blame it on the vaccines.

  • Paula Cull

    Seriously? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard all day! “No autism in the unvaccinated, no SIDS.” My God, are you that insane? Have you polled every unvaccinated child out there to see if they have autism or died from SIDS? Stupidity, pure stupidity! You lost what little credibility you had, and it was very little to begin with!

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Cause you think your self important so that you gives you the right to write those things about me?? ha ha stupid is the one who blindly believes :)

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Feeling like you maybe a pro vaccine troll Paula Cull? Not only that dismissing people and children because you think you maybe more intelligent?? Also support another troll?? Are you guys paid much for trolling?

    RE: “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or
    to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and
    reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.” – Dr. Marcia Angell, a physician and longtime editor-in-chief of the
    New England Medical Journal (NEMJ) (source)http://www.collective-evolution.com/…/pfizer-vice…/

    RE: Despite the agency’s disclaimer, the Center For Disease Control (CDC) does receive millions of dollars in industry gifts and funding, both directly and indirectly, and several recent CDC actions and recommendations
    have raised questions about the science it cites, the clinical guidelines it promotes, and the money it is taking.http://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h2362

  • Robo

    Lots of pro vaccination shills lurking in these comment sections.

  • Audrey Rawls

    You have become a Sheep and are brainwashed believing that Big Pharma has our best interests at the heart of their medications and vaccines. Their motives are pure Profit and nothing more. They put out medications knowing complications and deaths will occur but they have a settlement account for these and pay out as they make billions more on the sales than any settlement they may have to pay. They convinced the crooked cronies in government to pass the National Children Vaccine Injury Act so they can’t be sued.by the parents whose Children are injured by their Vaccines, if they are so safe why do they need this Law? You need to Wake Up and realize you are being lied to by Big Pharma as well by studies they pay for that dismiss any dangers from vaccines or medications. As for their inserts and the warnings being basically nonsense, are you that blinded? The side effects are much worse than claimed and there are in some cases 100’s more that aren’t published. They report the min they have too just in case the FDA even looks into the Vaccine or Medication. Big Pharma runs the FDA, it’s a revolving door of employees from the Industries they are to protect us from. Some protection when the Fox is in the Hen House!!!!! You really need to wake up, if not for yourself wake up for your future generations!!!

  • AutismDad

    One in Vancouver, can’t recall name of firm.

  • AutismDad

    A cancer

  • AutismDad

    You’re such a goof. Why argue when you are inept?

  • Bill
  • Sofia

    My son broke out in hives a week after a set of shots, he then started rocking back and fourth banging his head against the wall, I never thought anything was wrong,my oldest daughter noticed he wasn’t normal, he never advanced in school, it never dawned on me, but now believe he’s got a form of aspergers , I believe from the shots he received as a child. He’s 23 now and still struggling.

  • Erwin Alber

    Yes they do. A senior CDC scientist turned whistleblower has admitted that he and his coworkers destroyed study evidence showing that vaccines cause autism, particularly in African American boys.

  • Erwin Alber

    No need to fear them if he is not given them. Vaccines are perfectly safe as long as they are not used.

  • Erwin Alber

    I have long ago arrived at the inevitable conclusion that vaccination is an organised criminal enterprise dressed up as disease prevention by means of junk science.and that the entire vaccine industry needs to be shut don for good to put an end to this medical fraud, child abuse and crime against humankind.

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Love that comment :)

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Heartbreaking top lose a baby, however, there could be a lot of other factors involved here, like did the baby have the Hep B shot at birth? Had baby been given antibiotics etc as both are known to lower the immune system?? Hep B can cause a proximal cough?? Was the baby breast fed?? Was the parents or other people around the baby recently vaccinated?? Was there any other complications??

  • Leanne for informed choice

    A FIVE-YEAR-OLD girl has received a confidential multi-million dollar payout from pharmaceutical manufacturer CSL Ltd and the state of Western Australia after becoming severely disabled from a flu vaccination.(experimental which the parents where not informed?? http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/settlement-in-wa-baby-flu-vaccination-case/story-fn3dxiwe-1226945878919

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Unlike Panvax, this new trivalent version of Fluvax had not been clinically tested in children before the TGA gave doctors the green light for mass vaccinations of healthy babies, toddlers and pre-schoolers.

    What followed has shaken public confidence in one of the world’s most popular immunisation programs. In April last year, four days after baby Saba had her flu shot, Australia’s Chief Medical Officer, Professor Jim Bishop, made the unprecedented decision to ban nationally all the seasonal flu vaccines for the under-5s. Fluvax, the predominant vaccine, was triggering febrile fits in one in every 100 children – 10 times the expected rate. The side-effects, in some cases, were severe, and no-one could explain what had caused them?? them.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/weekend-australian-magazine/virus-in-the-system/story-e6frg8h6-1226063484330

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Before Saba had her shot there had been more than 100 “adverse reaction” presentations at PMH as well as dozens of troubling reports around the state. But this information wasn’t passed on to the general public until after Saba was in the intensive-care unit.

    An independant inquiry found “serious deficiency” in reporting processes and slow responses by both state and federal authorities. http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/parents-launch-flu-shot-damages-claim/story-e6frg153-1226032663603

  • Leanne for informed choice

    10 deaths linked to anti-flu vaccines | The Australian


    Aug 3, 2012 – The CSL flu vaccine, Panvax – which taxpayers spent $131 million … An unborn baby died in the womb at 22 weeks, 16 days after her mother, …

  • Leanne for informed choice

    Mrs Epapara told The Sunday Mail that “tests are being carried out” on her little girl. But the young mother didn’t want to comment further as she began shaking and her eyes welled with tears. Ashley’s twin sister, Jaime, also received the flu jab at the same time and is believed to have been vomiting the night before her sister died. http://www.news.com.au/national/flu-shot-fatality-toddler-dies-12-hours-after-having-vaccination/story-e6frfkvr-1225857872979

  • Leanne for informed choice
  • Leanne for informed choice

    Breaking News! Please share far and wide this is happening in Australia and this family needs justice!! Please read to the bottom and watch all links 
    Ben and Tanya Hammond, 2 days after the birth of their 8 week premature baby were forced into having DPaT vaccine otherwise hospital refused further access to see their premature baby in 2012. Both parents Ben and Tanya had the shots and Ben became paralysed within 11 days of receiving the vaccines. It was confirmed by immunologist Dr Andrew McClean-tooke that the DTaP vaccine had caused Ben’s paralysis! Ben has been through horrendous health problems and although he can finally take steps now, however, from chest down Ben completely numb, he has no bowel or bladder along with limited liver and kidney function. Ben is now legally disabled. Ben was a strong very health man working as a mine manager,however, now is unable to ever work again.
    Distraught his wife Tanya as been very public about NO Fault Vaccination Compensation Scheme doing TV, Radio and newspaper interviews since this happened. Tanya and Ben believe if they had to have the vaccine then there should be a compensation plan for injuries like Ben’s. Not only have they had to deal with Ben’s health issues but also been left high dry with 5 children and a mortgage struggling on benefits?
    You would think that would be enough to deal with when Tanya was literally dragged out of her car and bashed for scare mongering against vaccines shortly after she was interviewed on local TV. Tanya had her jaw, windpipe and bone in her neck broken. The woman got off with and fine and good behaviour bond. Just where is the justice for this family??

    Then just when you thought that the Hammond family had experienced more suffering than most people can even imagine….it just got worse!
    RE: Tanya’s story
    At 6am this morning our family were still in bed when we got woken up by cops breaking down our front door! They removed us from our room (where we were sleeping with our 3-year-old) and they tried to forced Ben to the floor. I was screaming that he couldn’t because he is disabled, but they wouldn’t listen. I had to watch him trying to get down, but since he couldn’t they slammed him roughly to the ground and pinned him to the floor with a gun to his head. I was pinned to the ground with a gun against my head also but I kept trying to ask about my baby and trying to see where he was. Each time I tried they kept slamming my head against the floor yelling GET DOWN! GET DOWN! My baby was so upset but I couldn’t help him, I felt so powerless.
    My 11 yr old woke up to my screaming and crying just before he had his room raided by 10 police. They destroyed our 2 front doors, terrified and traumatised my family and when I asked what’s going on they said to wait till the camera gets here before they will tell us.
    Why would they need a camera crew when we had done nothing wrong? How long had they been planning this?
    A good 10 mins later (still pinned to the floor with guns pointed at us) the camera arrived. They told us they had a warrant to search our home for making and selling CRYSTAL METH!! I couldn’t believe my ears, they thought we were drug dealers?!? Our family is struggling to stay on top of all of the challenges that have tried to destroy us since the Whooping Cough vaccine took away Ben’s health and they think we have the time and energy to make illegal drugs?!? I just couldn’t believe what was happening? I was helpless to protect my kids and my disabled husband, watching them force him to the ground and my little boy screaming while I was pinned to the floor and I couldn’t help them…
    They found Ben’s catheters and they categorised them as “sharps” they also took Ben’s medicinal cannabis plant that he uses for managing his pain and his smoking device he uses to administer it and they are charging Ben for that. HE NEEDS THAT to manage the constant pain he is in, nothing else works as pain meds cause him to urinate blood.
    Needless to say but they found NO evidence of any Meth or Meth making equipment so they put our family through hell and traumatised all of us for absolutely NOTHING!
    We need your moral support even more now than ever, if you can contact your MP and ask them to investigate our case and find out why and how this happened we would really appreciate it. I can’t help but ask, when will our family’s suffering end?
    After reading local the newspaper today Tanya feels the media are reporting their side of the story leaving the public to believe that they are guilty of serious drug use/crime when it’s obvious all the police took from their house was one small plant and a pipe completely only used for medical reasons to help her partner condition as medical drugs make his condition far worse??
    Please share this and follow the Hammond on their journey by going to No fault Vaccine Compensation Scheme page and LIKE it to keep up dated by clicking on Ben’s photo or the link below Bens story. Also watch the news report below because this family’s story is real.

    News report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbpOkE9anLc&feature=youtu.be

    Please sign this petition https://www.change.org/p/bring-in-a-compensation-scheme-for-serious-adverse-reactions-involving-vaccinations

    Politician Alannah Mactieman supporting No fault compensation scheme

    Please support the Hammond Family https://www.gofundme.com/5nh9cvtw

    The latest on the Hammond’s story made it to Parliament VIA Politician Alannah Mactieman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj7_hJis828&feature=youtu.be

  • Leanne for informed choice
  • Leanne for informed choice

    Christina wrote “I argued with the nurse practitioner for 30-45 minutes. They would not split the shots up! They bullied me, told me I was retarded, told me he needed all the shots that day, told me they could not split the shots up, told me it absolutely would not hurt him! He was injected with 4 needles and given the Rotavirus oral vaccine. He died less than 13 hours later. http://vaccine-injury.info/about.cfm

  • Leanne for informed choice

    A TODDLER taken to the doctor for a child’s flu shot was left unable to walk or talk after being given a version of the drug banned for under fives. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/toddler-who-was-given-an-adult-flu-shot-is-left-severely-brain-damaged-and-unable-to-walk-or-talk/story-fni0cx12-1226756398505

  • Leanne for informed choice

    There was a forced vaccination campaign in 1970-1 in the Northern Territory where forced vaccinations had a 50% fatality rate. This was reported by Dr Archie Kalokerinos, who was there during that time. He later wrote a book on it, called ‘Every Second Child’http://treatyrepublic.net/content/could-tragic-chapter-australian-history-be-unwittingly-repeated-seasonal-flu-vaccination

  • sabelmouse

    police brutality, not just in america then. makes me think of ”jennifer government” among other things.

  • Graceds

    What a difficult story.
    I remember seeing the photos of him as a quadriplegic after the vaccination, his little baby laying on top of him.

  • Deb Fox

    Read the book The Impossible Cure by Amy Lansky. You will be able to help him after reading it.

  • AutismDadd


  • AutismDadd

    Something a court shouldn’t have the power to dictate.

  • AutismDadd


  • AutismDadd

    Just did. Back yours up with proof, not supposition

  • AutismDadd

    From the Shill Manual

  • James Peters

    Citations needed

  • James Peters

    Nothing like the good old pharma shill gambit

  • AutismDadd

    If it fits wear it

  • AutismDadd

    Hey shill you can’t ask if you won’t do it yourself

  • James Peters
  • James Peters

    In your case its better to remain silent

  • JGC

    The NVICP court did not award Ryan Mojabi compensation for autism, much less finding that the MMR vaccine caused him to develop autism.
    Instead, Ryan Mojabi received compensation for the table injury encephalitis. Note when damages for table injuries are awarded they represent settlements and the court does not find nor require the plaintiff to demonstrate the claimed injury was actually caused by vaccination.

  • AutismDadd

    Shows J.P. knows f-all