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Vaccination Causes Autism – Here’s What They Know…

For many years, parents have believed that multiple vaccinations have caused their children to become autistic. Governments from around the world, however, have categorically denied this possibility.They continue to bury their heads in the sand and ignore what is happening. They refuse to carry out relevant studies and will not answer any questions that may uncover the truth about vaccines.

Their actions are clearly demonstrated in a video titled AutismOne & Generation Rescue 2013 Conference Congressional Panel, featuring Congressman Burton (R-IN), Congressman Weldon, MD (R-FL) and Congressman Bill Posey (R-FL), published on May 11, 2013.

The video highlights what has been going on behind closed doors over the years and gives parents the rare opportunity to witness first hand the lies that are being told and the sheer enormity of the vaccine deception. [1]

Vaccines, Lies, and Videotape

The video begins in the year 2000.

Representative Dan Burton, chairman of the 2000 House Government Reform Committee on Autism and Childhood Vaccines, opened the conference by stating that autism, once considered a rare disorder, has become a near epidemic. He said that it is a top priority to carry out as much research into the potential connection between vaccines and autism as possible. He finished his introduction to Congress by stating that we must stop burying our heads in the sand and ignoring this possibility.

Turning to Dr. Coleen Boyle, the Director of the National Center on Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities at the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), he asked:

“We have been checking all the financial records of the FDA, the HHS, the CDC, do you believe that anybody who is getting funds from Merck or any of the other pharmaceutical companies should be on advisory panels that are making judgements about pharmaceuticals coming from those companies, or do you believe that is a conflict of interest?”

Now, for many of us, this question would appear to be relatively simple for someone of Dr. Boyle’s standing to answer. However, it was not simple for Dr. Boyle; she appeared to be rendered speechless, before stating:

“I think that is a difficult question to answer.”

Congressman Burton then turned to Dr. Paul Offit and said:

“You talk about collaboration, I guess with the Merck pharmaceutical company?”

To which Offit stuttered:

“Yes, I, um, as I, um, disclosed in my written report, I have been in collaboration with Merck and Company on the development of the Rotavirus vaccine since 1992.”

To which Congressman Burton simply replied:

“They produce the MMR, don’t they?”

Looking back towards Dr. Boyle, Burton asked her why the CDC did not include the possibility that some of these vaccines may have caused the autism increase as one of the potential causes they were investigating, asking her to check out this matter. Despite replying that she would, it appears that once again this relatively simple task was too difficult for Dr. Boyle, because thirteen years later, we are still awaiting her answer.

After speaking to other members of Congress, Congressman Burton turned back to Dr. Doyle and stated very firmly:

“Dr. Boyle, for your information, at a public meeting in Brick Township in January in 1997, and you should know this, with the CDC and others present, several of the audience members asked about the vaccines and the possible autism link and they asked for that to be checked.”

He continued:

“And I submit that maybe, just maybe, it’s because the pharmaceutical company that manufactures it had some influence on the people in that meeting and they said, ‘Hey, we don’t want to get into that,’ and if that’s the case, that is damn near criminal.”

Concluding the 2000 clip, I feel that Dr. Bernard Rimland made the most honest response of the day, when he answered Dan Burton’s question as to whether, after listening to the comments made at the meeting and carrying out his own scientific research, there was any possibility that vaccines were contributing to the increase in autism.

Dr. Rimland answered:

“There is not only the possibility, there is an extremely high likelihood, from all the evidence available.”

Those are strong words, so why has he been ignored?

Government Agencies Continue to Ignore Pleas for Intervention

Moving on to 2002, it appeared as if nothing much had changed. Once again, Congressman Dan Burton can be seen chairing the panel meeting, opening with an extremely poignant and moving piece of film of a child suffering with severe autism to demonstrate what parents cope with on a daily basis.

This piece of film moved the audience to tears and Congressman Burton commented that his grandson, along with thousands of other children across the country, were perfectly normal until they received multiple vaccines and continued by adding this extremely strong statement:

“So, we can’t let the pharmaceutical industries and our government cover this mess up today because it ain’t gonna go away and it’s going to cost the taxpayers trillions more if we wait around on it and for our FDA, the HHS and the health agencies to continue to hide behind this facade that there have been studies that conclusively prove otherwise, is just wrong, too!”

In fact, the whole video from beginning to end clearly shows evidence that this heated debate has carried on for more than a decade. Each year the same issues and the same problems appear to be discussed, and yet the panel comes to the same conclusion that studies are not being carried out to investigate the link between vaccines and autism.

So, why is this happening and why is nothing being done?

Government Investigator Turned Fugitive

In 2012, we see Congressman Bill Posey has taken over the task of trying to question the elusive and now somewhat greying Dr. Boyle from the CDC, about vaccinations and autism.

Congressman Posey asks:

“Dr. Boyle, my predecessor Congressman Welder was a well-respected, competent medical doctor and I glean from him with some certainty he felt thimerosal in vaccinations definitely was a contributory factor to autism and I wonder if the CDC has conducted or facilitated a study comparing vaccinated children with unvaccinated children yet? Have you done that?”

As expected, instead of answering the question asked of her, Dr. Boyle avoids his question completely and answers by stating:

“We have done a number of studies looking at the relationship between thimerosal vaccines and autism and other developmental disabilities.”

Not to give up on his line of questioning, Congressman Posey rephrased his question in the hope that he may have gotten a direct answer, asking:

“So, clearly, definitely, unequivocally, you have studied vaccinated versus unvaccinated?”

To which she replied:

“We have not studied vaccinated versus unvaccinated.”

Just as she tried to continue with yet more waffle, Congressman Posey stopped her in her tracks, saying:

“Never mind, that was the meaning of my question, you have wasted two minutes of my time.”

He then asked:

“What steps has the CDC undertaken to ensure the integrity of the research that was performed by Dr. Thorsen, who, as you know, has been indicted for misconduct in the misallocation of resources?”

Once again Boyle can be seen avoiding his question. Instead of answering Congressman Posey directly, she tried to palm him off with incorrect data, stating that Dr. Thorsen was a co-investigator in just two of the studies carried out. This was immediately refuted by Posey, who asked if he would be allowed to submit, for the record, information proving that Dr. Thorsen was in fact involved in 21 of the 24 studies undertaken.

At no time in any part of the video did Dr. Boyle answer any question without evading the issue put before her, even when Posey asked:

“Have you gone back to validate the variety of studies he participated in? I mean, you know this guy is a humongous scumbag, one of the most wanted men on earth, and you relied on him for data to determine whether thimerosal had a negative effect?”

Rather than admit to Dr. Thorsen’s failings, Dr. Boyle immediately jumped to Thorsen’s defense, even though this is a man who tops the federal most wanted list for 22 counts of wire fraud and money laundering, facing a total of 260 years in jail for his crimes. [2]

Conclusion

It is obvious from listening to the video that not one person whom Congressman Burton or the panel questioned had any conclusive evidence that vaccines did not cause autism. Instead, leading figures gave false information and avoided all of the questions being asked of them. Many had conflicts of interest with the pharmaceutical industry manufacturing the vaccines and saw no problem with this.

Members of the CDC, the FDA and other organizations sanctioning vaccinations are supposed to be independent. If, like Paul Offit, they hold patents to vaccines or are in collaboration with the companies manufacturing the vaccines, they are not independent and therefore not impartial.

Surely, parents trusting those officials with their children’s lives deserve better than this. It is time for change. For parents to have faith in the vaccine programs, they need to see concrete evidence proving that the vaccines are safe. Instead of bringing out more and more vaccines and trying to mandate vaccinations, governments and their representatives need to answer the questions being asked of them. This video is conclusive evidence that this is not happening.

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1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wwDPcNdxJQ

2. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-curious-case-of-poul-thorsen-fraud-and-embezzlement…

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  • JamesPF

    sounds like population control to me as well as cash cow for the medical profession while they are slowly killing your children.

  • Anita Anderson

    Welcome to Nazi Germany. These actions against children are criminal and inhumane. A mother of a son that is vaccine injured.

  • Roxanne

    Bottom line – If the there is no link between vaccines and autism as the “authorities”
    claim, where pray tell are all the autistic non-vaccinated children? Why are the
    “authorities” so afraid to conduct transparent studies comparing the health of the
    vaccinated versus non-vaccinated… Why is it that when we compare such in
    dogs and primates, we repeatedly see deeply disturbing health problems including
    significant behavioral and auto-immune problems in the vaccinated groups. You cannot violate the blood-brain barrier of infants, subject them to demyelination and synergistic vaccine toxicity all via a flawed modality that does NOT mimic real immune function and expect to get away with it…

  • Markus Heinze

    Excellent Christina. I added the following article by Harriet Washington (Flaking for Big Pharma) to the mix as a nice addition:

    http://theamericanscholar.org/flacking-for-big-pharma/#.UdV7o_k3sRc

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  • gingerperth

    i wonder why the email about this article i received today from VacTruth was blank? is yahoo censoring it?

  • Hi Ginger –

    You are not the first person to report this. I’d like to give Yahoo the benefit of the doubt. Not sure really why the email would be blank.

    -Jeff

  • Stacee Akins NC

    With you Anita, A mother of a son also vaccine
    injured.

  • Anita Anderson

    <3

  • f.g.s.

    wall st agains triumps–peace,,,a lost generation,,peace

  • sharon

    Are there any studies that compare the number of vaccinated children with autism to the number of unvaccinated children with autism? Also, my child will enter preschool this year. He has had very few vaccines. I don’t plan on him receiving all that the public school requires. What grounds, other than religion, can we use to by pass the required vaccines?

  • Steve

    ok they must be censoring it as i had the same problem, and decided to come straight here to check, nothing surprises me anymore

  • Brian Cole

    That varies from state to state a bit Sharon. Here in Indiana, you can cite religious objections to a vaccination, and don’t have to elaborate at all. Basically just say something to the effect of, ” I object to my child receiving these vaccines, due to my religious beliefs.” And that’s it. Don’t say anything about what beliefs, what religion, all that is irrelevant.

  • Jenny Gini

    Sharon you dont really need studies (though there will be some) when you have whole populations A study is a scientific sample that is judged to represent the population The rate in non vax communities in America like the Amish is 1 in 50,000. Natural therapy praractices with thousands of patients have reported NO cases Vaccinated rates are around 1 in 50

  • I live in Tampa Florida, in 2002 my grandson at fourteen months received nine to twelve vaccines all in one day.he almost didn’t make it , for two days all you could see of his eyes were the white, they were rolled back in his head, his temp was 104 and 103, convolutions seizures,this went on for two weeks, the emergency room said three different times , theres nothing we can do take him home rotate tylenol and motrin every four hours. he has some brain damage very little but its there, in this state it is so hard to find a lawyer. does anyone out there know a good vaccine injury lawyer?? please contact me if you do. at [email protected] Thank you Barbara

  • Michael

    Why, with such evidence of total obfuscation & lies — WHY is your Congress apparently paralyzed? Is not Congress the nation’s watchdog (among other roles)?

  • Michael

    I meant to conclude – re Congress paralysis — these NIH CDC people should be in prison or at least in Court with Thorsen (surely they know where he is?).

  • victorpavlovic

    Just thought I’d let you know my email wasn’t blank.

  • victorpavlovic

    With all the years in Congress, you think he would have been on this every day pushing the issue, instead we get a retired congressman Burton, what’s he going to do now, he’s basically an outsider.

  • ponerology

    Why is anyone in their RIGHT MIND looking to Congress for assistance in this matter? Do you NOT UNDERSTAND that they are only show monkeys?? If you don’t want your children damaged by vaccines you DON’T PERMIT THEM TO GET STUCK WITH THOSE NEEDLES!!!! What a bunch of idiots. This site cannot be for real. I’m sorry for the people who’ve had their children injured but really…WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?? That the “Government” and big corporations have YOUR BEST INTEREST at heart??? Did you not live through enough Congressional hearings to know better?? It’s a freaking SHOW….It’s Hollywood….It’s the Frankfurt School. You are being laughed at..all the way to the bank. Get real. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. No one is going to “compensate” you for anything. Do you want to get back at big pharma? Go down to one of their labs and picket it with pictures of your dead or injured children every day and every night. Make them squeam. Make them arrest you. Don’t go to Congress. Congress is LEGALLY permitted to make money off of insider trading information, for God’s sake. Do you really think they’re going to help you??

  • ponerology

    Don’t think they aren’t killing adults too…What do you think the freaking “flu” vaccine is for? How about a little Guiilen Barre syndrome with your tea this morning, dear?

  • landofthefreehah

    Also with you, Anita. I too, am a mother of a son who was vaccine injured.

  • cheryl
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  • Steve

    The sad thing is that government is “supposed to” protect the people. The only thing they can accomplish is to protect and provide opportunity for their corporate benefactors. Another thing, the pediatricians are also “supposed to” be the good guys as well. It is unbelievable how when parents actually do make their own health choices for their child and choose not to vaccinate, they are told they need to find a new pediatrician! Oh, and good luck with that. Its not right how they think they can force us to inject something into our children, whether it is proven beneficial or not. And to be told that WE are putting other children at risk is so absurd! If they actually believed in the product they are pushing… wouldn’t all the vaccinated kids have nothing to worry about??

  • anonymous

    There are no such studies. There never will be such studies done because doctors do not want to deny any child the benefits of vaccination. Look to the Amish or the practice of Dr. Meyer Eisenstein MD, JD in Chicago, IL where few are vaxed, few have asthma, and none have autism.

  • There have been reports of 3 cases of autism among the Amish… in adopted (read: vaccinated) children!
    Please Sharon, do your child a favor and homeschool him or her. Keep them out of the educational brainwashing groove, show your children how to think for themselves. Teach them how to fish, do not let them get stuffed with dead and treacherous fish ‘facts’ and become the same robots as all the people you stand among in the subway and the supermarket… Let them tell you what they want to find out and do the discovery adventure together, it is really very simple! And not a 9 to 5 job either…

    As for keeping them healthy: use vitamin C, organic food, pure and vital water, and lots of love!

  • creepyTexan

    I am an advocate of both vaccines and being skeptical of vaccinating.
    I bet there was some big fans of Wakefiled here till he was shown to be a sheister. Or do you think that was a gov’t conspiracy too?
    I am glad you all are questioning things because the one thing big pharma won’t do is move fast enough when they need to. Changes can happen at a snails pace. Did you see the film Lorenzo’s Oil based on a true story? Those parents did not wait till years passed to see where the research by professionals went-they jumped in themselves to slow down the progression of disease in their child by buying a product they could simply feed him. However on the other had making a change to add in a new vaccine without enough research can be too fast. Many of the adverse reactions happen not in America. That is one way Americans can be a bit stupid. I studied vaccines quite a bit when my son was a baby to make the best decisions possible. My son has received 3/4 of the vaccines he was slated for. I am happy I did not give him those other 25%.
    When you study vaccines given in other countries you see that often they give less quality vaccines to those kiddos. Sad but true. We have privledges in America. They use the other countries kids as giunea pigs it seems in certain instances. I studied this independently not on sites like this one.
    I had an odd happening in 1993. I was supposed to have to videotape corpses and so was given the choice of getting the Hep B series. I did so and 2 months after finishing the 3 shots I developed a very strange illness. It lasted on & off for about a year and half. No medical test could uncover what it was. It was similar to chronic fatigue. It cause night sweats and fainting, fatigue, loss of appetite, excessive bowel movements. It would come on suddenly last 5-6 days and disappear. it was very scary and strange. I suspect it was the vaccines tho it could have been something else. Being a skeptic I am open to it being something else but it is likely it was the vaccine. After that experience I cannot be totally gullible to the Doc’s advice. It makes one a real thinker.

  • guest

    My thoughts are if they revealed all the appropriate studies it would reveal numerous truths and that would mean massive global litigation, loss of cushy jobs and multi million dollar profits. It would be enormous dilema for big pharma and big gov, a scandal way bigger than big tabacco so its just easier to cover it up or say they *don’t know*.

    search : simpsonwood conference June 2000 / simpsonwood transcript.

    p.s It’s seems mind boggling to me that the most precious and vunerable age groups are being harmed over and over without a conscious from those that are in trusted positions. Sometimes I wonder if its for other darker reasons than profit. Power absolutely corrupts and integrity is brought today for the right price.

  • Jim Bob

    Argumentum ad hominem.
    There is no scientific information presented or evaluated in this article. Just a poor attempt at slander and creating the illusion of conspiracy.
    I’ll make sure to print this article and use it as toilet paper because that’s all it’s really good for.

  • Ken Beers

    Re Replicated Studies.

    Creepy Texan says that Wakefield “was shown to be a sheister”

    “But now researchers from the New Jersey Medical School have discovered ‘evidence of marked inflammatory and immune abnormalities in children with autism associated with gastrointestinal symptoms’. Wakefield had discovered that autistic children had similar inflammatory bowel disease, which could be caused by the triple MMR vaccine. He described the vaccine as ‘interference’, as it could suppress the immune system. Wakefield had recommended single shots, given one year apart”.
    ————————————————————
    “In addition to his hotly contested MMR study, published in the journal Lancet in 1998, he has published about 130-140 peer-reviewed papers looking at the mechanism and cause of inflammatory bowel disease, and has extensively investigated the brain-bowel connection in the context of children with developmental disorders such as autism”.
    ————————————————–
    Here is a list of 28 studies from around the world that support Dr. Wakefield’s controversial findings:

    1. The Journal of Pediatrics
    November 1999; 135(5):559-63

    2. The Journal of Pediatrics 2000;
    138(3): 366-372

    3. Journal of
    Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517

    4. Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005

    5. Brain, Behavior and Immunity
    1993; 7: 97-103

    6. Pediatric
    Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3

    7. Neuropsychobiology
    2005; 51:77-85

    8. The Journal of Pediatrics May
    2005;146(5):605-10

    9. Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11

    10. Canadian
    Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98

    11. Annals of
    Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161

    12. Journal of
    Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6

    13. Journal of
    Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13

    14. Medical Hypotheses August
    1998;51:133-144.

    15. Journal of
    Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35

    16. Lancet. 1972;2:883–884.

    17. Journal of Autism and Childhood
    Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62

    18. Journal of Pediatrics March
    2001;138:366-372.

    19. Molecular Psychiatry
    2002;7:375-382.

    20. American Journal of Gastroenterolgy
    April 2004;598-605.

    21. Journal of Clinical Immunology
    November 2003;23:504-517.

    22. Neuroimmunology April
    2006;173(1-2):126-34.

    23. Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol
    Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477.

    24. Clinical Infectious Diseases
    September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16

    25. Applied and Environmental
    Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465

    26. Journal of Medical Microbiology
    October 2005;54:987-991

    27. Archivos
    venezolanos de puericultura y pediatría 2006; Vol 69 (1): 19-25.

    28. Gastroenterology. 2005:128 (Suppl 2);Abstract-303

  • Anita Anderson

    Blessings!

  • Markus Heinze

    Perhaps we should look at the studies put forth by the CDC concluding that there is no correlation between vaccines and autism … in the words of Dr. Palevsky, leading pediatrician and vaccine expert:

    “When I look at the studies that the American Academy of Pediatrics and the CDC put out, saying that there’s no correlation between vaccination and autism or vaccinations and asthma, I have to say that the studies just don’t hold up to the scientific standards.

    You can’t have 25 children in a study and then report that this proves that no children who get autism have any correlation to being injured by vaccines. This is what the media does: they take these conclusions, put it right out in front of the newspapers and say, “Vaccines don’t cause autism.”

    When you really look at the studies – and there’s not a proper control group and there’s only 25 people – you can’t make a grand, generalized statement about a general population because you’ve studied 25 children.”

    Or we could look at the not so scientifically designed vaccine trials using vaccines as placebo concluding there is no vaccine – autism link?

    Even better, let’s look at the tainted and ridiculous peer review as uncovered in the ‘American Scholar’: http://theamericanscholar.org/flacking-for-big-pharma/#.UdV7o_k3sRc

  • Jim Bob

    And “Dr”. Fraudster Quackfield’s study of 12 children is somehow proof that vaccines cause autism?

    I find it tragically hilarious that you would apply one standard to one side of the argument without applying it to the other.

    P.S. The study you referenced is only one. What about the Danish study, the Japanese study where the sample sizes exceeded 100,000? What about the countless others that have found no correlation between vaccines and autism?

  • Jim Bob

    Moreover Markus, if you plan to do some actual unbiased research, you can start here:

    THE “AUTISM EPIDEMIC” AND KNOWN CAUSES OF AUTISM – Fombonne, E. Neuropediatrics, ISSN 0174-304X, 2006, Volume 37, Issue S 1

    “Increased numbers of children diagnosed with PDD cannot be readily interpreted as indicative of a true epidemic. Exposure to MMR or thimerosal does not appear to raise the risk of autism.”

    The causes of autism spectrum disorders: BMJ – Szatmari, Peter British Medical Journal 326. 7382 (Jan 25, 2003): 173-4.

    “In spite of recent publicity, there is good epidemiological evidence that the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine is not an environmental risk factor for autism.”

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – DeStefano, Frank. The Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal. Volume 20(9), September 2001, pp 887-888

    “In conclusion, the initial case reports by Wakefield et al. raised a hypothesis that MMR immunization may be related to autism. Most of the studies published to date that have addressed this hypothesis have found no association between receipt of the MMR vaccine and the development of autism. Epidemiologic data comparing autism occurrence with MMR immunization coverage in Sweden, Great Britain and California also have not found an association. The biologic plausibility of the association is tenuous because, in most cases, the neuroanatomic abnormalities of autism probably develop in utero. The positive microbiologic and histopathologic findings thus far all emanate from one group, and there has been no independent verification by other investigators in other populations. Moreover, the relevance of these findings is not clear because no clear causal link has been established between the MMR vaccine, inflammatory bowel disease and autism. The weight of the currently available evidence argues against a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism.”

    MMR vaccine and autism – Beford, Helen and Elliman, David, BMJ 2010;340:c655

    “Over time, an accumulating body of epidemiological and virological evidence failed to show any association of MMR with autism and bowel disease.9 However, restoring public confidence after such a setback is challenging and takes time; it took 15 years for pertussis vaccine rates to recover. In the case of MMR, the reduction in uptake was not so pronounced, and parents’ confidence in the vaccine recovered much quicker. This is reflected by improved uptake, with 86.5% of 2 year old children receiving the vaccine in early 2009.10 At the same time the media have made a complete about turn, with most journalists now referring to the “discredited link.”

    MMR Vaccine and Autism: Vaccine Nihilism and Postmodern Science – Poland, Gregory. Mayo Clinic Proceedings (September 2011), 86 (9), pg. 869-871

    “No credible evidence during the past 13 years supports the hypothesized connection between the MMR vaccine and autism disorders, it is bereft of credible evidence and must be discarded. At the same time, autism is a public health concern that must be addressed by enhancing research funding and directing that funding toward studies of credible hypotheses of causation. To continue pouring money into futile attempts to prove a connection to the MMR vaccine when multiple high-quality scientific studies across multiple countries and across many years have failed to show any hint of a connection, and in the face of biologic nonplausibility, is dangerous and reckless of lives, public funding, and ultimately public health.”

    Vaccines and autism: a deadly manufactroversy – Hall, H. Skeptic. 15.2 (Summer 2009): p26.

    “Parents who choose to delay vaccination are prolonging their children’s period of risk. And they are endangering everyone else’s public health.
    Scientists had been urged to “listen to the parents.” They did listen to the parents and then conducted research to test the parents’ hypotheses. There were various kinds of studies in different countries by different research groups. The results were consistent:
    * 10 studies showed MMR doesn’t cause autism;
    * 6 studies showed thimerosal doesn’t cause autism;
    * 3 studies showed thimerosal doesn’t cause subtle neurological problems.
    Now it’s the parents who won’t listen to the scientists.
    Autistic children and their parents are being misled and victimized with useless, untested, disproven, expensive, time-consuming, and even dangerous treatments. Despite the evidence that mercury doesn’t cause autism, children are still being treated with IV chelation to remove mercury–at least one child has died as a result. Along with Lupron injections for chemical castration, children are being treated with secretin, restricted diets, supplements of all kinds, intravenous hydrogen peroxide, DAN (Defeat Autism Now) protocols, cranial manipulation, facilitated communication, and other nonsense. One family was strongly urged to take out a second mortgage on their home so they could buy a home hyperbaric oxygen chamber.
    The real tragedy is that all this hoopla is diverting attention from research into effective treatments (usually behavioral) and into the real causes of autism (almost certainly genetic, with environmental triggers not ruled out). ”

    Vaccines and Autism: Evidence Does Not Support a Causal Association – Destefano, F. Clinical Pharmacology & Therapeutics (2007) 82, 756–759;

    “The current scientific evidence does not support a causal association between MMR vaccine or Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism.”

    Association Between Thimerosal-Containing Vaccine and Autism – Anders Hviid, MSc; Michael Stellfeld, MD; Jan Wohlfahrt, MSc; Mads Melbye, MD, PhD JAMA. 2003;290(13):1763-1766. doi:10.1001/jama.290.13.1763.

    “The results do not support a causal relationship between childhood vaccination with thimerosal-containing vaccines and development of autistic-spectrum disorders.”

    Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines and Autism: A Review of Recent Epidemiologic Studies – Anne M. Hurley, PharmD,1,2 Mina Tadrous, PharmD, MS,1,2 and Elizabeth S. Miller, PharmD, The journal of pediatric pharmacology and therapeutics Volume 15, Issue 3, p. 173

    “Findings of researchers in recent ecologic studies22,23 are consistent with those of previous ecologic studies24,25 that have not shown an association between TCVs and autism.13 Of the studies we identified, the only ecologic study that claims an association21 is of questionable design and should not form the basis of clinical decisions regarding a proposed association between thimerosal and autism.”

    MMR vaccine and autism: is there a link? – JAAPA-Journal of the American Academy of Physicians Assistants. 23.6 (June 2010): p48.

    “The evidence clearly shows that there is no link between vaccination against measles, mumps, and rubella, and an increased risk for the development of a PDD, such as autism.”

    Association between thimerosal-containing vaccine and autism. -Journal of Developmental & Behavioral Pediatrics Issue: Volume 25(1), February 2004, p 71

    “The results of this study do not support a causal relationship between childhood vaccination with thimerosal-containing vaccines and ASD.”

    Lack of Association between Measles Virus Vaccine and Autism with Enteropathy: A Case-Control Study – PLoS ONE. 2008; 3(9): e3140

    “This study provides strong evidence against association of autism with persistent MV RNA in the GI tract or MMR exposure. Autism with GI disturbances is associated with elevated rates of regression in language or other skills and may represent an endophenotype distinct from other ASD.”

    The autism-vaccine story: fiction and deception? – Canadian Family Physician. 2010 October; 56(10): 1013.

    “Convincing evidence from multiple countries shows no association between MMR vaccine (or thimerosal) and autistic disorders. The origins of this controversy incorporate unethical conduct and misleading research.”

  • Markus Heinze

    Moreover Jim Bob if you plan to do some actual independent thinking you may start here:

    http://theamericanscholar.org/flacking-for-big-pharma/#.Udbs-vk3sRd

    There is really no need to look at the pharmaceutical sponsored studies you provide with its flawed designs.

  • jb

    75 80 years ago there were no Epidemics come forward after trillions of research dollars have been and are still being paid out to dr’s and researchers and what do we have today? so many epidemics no one can keep count anymore. take a look at the whole picture folks around the globe parents are suing big pharma and winning the evidence shows the connection and the courts have no choice but to concur. a group of parents sued here in the states. they won their case but it is unfortunate the only thing they got was a reduction in the amount of mercury levels in the vac’s. any of you out there old enough to remember the warnings of the toxicity of mercury? and what are these malty mega pharma’s lacing the vac’s with? mercury!!! oh yes ive heard you can request these vac’s without the mercury but that is not stopping the detrimental health injuries to our children. watch the news there is now nearing an epidemic of infant deaths occurring within hours of being injected. anyone out there today making claims there is no connection is either blind or getting paid to discredit these families suffering the enormous health cost and daily torment of taking care of their ill children or worse having to deal with the death of their babies. shame on all of you, you will not be able to keep this under raps any longer. your sins and murder will be reviled.

  • Jim Bob

    Markus,

    Your ignorance is entertaining.

    You simply provided another article with zero scientific information. Just another ad hominem attack.

    More to the point, you ignore the fact that the author has a vested financial interest in spreading her message which coincidently happens to be the subject of her latest book. She essentially is just selling her wares while wagging her finger at others for doing the same. I might add its the same logic you just used to wipe away all that peer-reviewed research I just posted.

    Funny how you missed that (on purpose I’m guessing)?
    I suppose I could use your logic: No need to read all the conspiracy-driven, nutjob inspired, tinfoil hat wearing, guberments-out-to-get-ya-dude! mumbo jumbo spouted here and other websites like it.

  • SR

    Jim Bob….how ignorant can you be ? There is absolutely no proof that giving over 40 vaccines is safe for our children. Do you have a child with autism ? My child had testing done at 3 years old which proves he is full of vaccine preservatives and other toxins, (I certainly didn’t “spoon-feed” these to him). He also has a genetic mutation for detoxification difficulties. I was given a diagnosis of “vaccine injury” by 3 different physicians. Maybe children should be tested for these chromosomal issues before vaccinating them ? Wake up Jim Bob….there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic.

  • Markus Heinze

    Jim,
    It is even more entertaining to see you, as a pro vaccine advocate, talking about special interests.
    I doubt you ever looked at medical journals, otherwise you would know better.

  • Priscilla

    This character is probably a paid blogger.

  • Priscilla

    That is Jim Bob is a paid blogger.

  • Anna

    I think he’s Paul prOfit or works in big pharma

  • Lou

    “… parents the rare opportunity to witness first hand the lies that are
    being told and the sheer enormity of the vaccine deception,”

    Unfortunately the Vaccine Deadly Deception is only ONE deadly deception HHS has foisted upon the American people. Why? Because HHS is controlled by the Rockefeller clan and the Rockefeller clan is at the forefront of those destroying this land we love.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_medical_myth.htm

  • Lou

    Jim Bob left out his middle name; it is Billy

  • Lou

    “You can’t make a grand, generalized statement about a general population because you’ve studied 25 children.”

    Yes but I am afraid it is MUCH worse than this. We have seen in the “Statin et al Clinical Tests” conducted by Big Pharma or one of their bought out “Independent testing Groups” deliberate stacking of the trial groups, elimination from the trial of those who will skew the results adversely to Big Pharma, the total destruction of the function of the placebo, often it is just the drug with an ingredient removed or as I see just above NOTHING removed.

    If we TRUST Big Pharma, HHS or Big Gov we error grievously. If we trust our children’s lives to these PROVEN LIARS (Simpsonwood) we will regret it to our dying day IMO.

  • mplo

    The chances are way, way better than not that the autistic children had autism even prior to being vaccinated, because there’s more and more evidence that proves that autism is an innate developmental disorder that children come into the world with, and nobody knows why. Inotherwords, autistic kids and adults alike are hardwired together like that while in utero, during fetal development. All of the above having been said, the bogus link between vaccines and autism that was created by Dr. Andrew Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy was debunked and tossed out by the wayside a long time ago.

  • mplo

    It’s really irritating and disgusting that so many people feel the need to pass the buck (inotherwords, to blame something or somebody), when their kid(s) come up with some sort of developmental problem(s). Autism and ADD, etc., will happen, no matter what, if they happen at all, vaccines or no vaccines.

  • Ravi K

    Okay why don’t everyone just pipe down and behave like adults. Stop the bickering and finger pointing and trying to interpret research the way you see fit. I don’t really care who says what. Research can also be conducted by just manipulating the data until you see a glimmer of what you want to believe in. Goes for both sides. The bottom line is children have developed autism after getting especially the MMR shot, and have been awarded damages by the vaccine injury court many times. The vaccine inserts themselves say in black and white that autism has been observed in the field after certain vaccinations. Vaccine inserts also claim that vaccines can cause progressive neurological disorders. Treating every child as the same person with the same composition for a whole bunch of vaccines is a tragic mistake. So say what you want but with the current vaccine schedule children are being harmed. The medical community knows it, the supreme court knows it and everyone with half a brain knows it. Why do you think the Supreme Court agreed that vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe” and grant vaccine companies full immunity from vaccine injury law suits? Vaccines may not directly cause autism but some of the listed side effects cause neuro degeneration that can cause autism. So stop bickering and really question if we must vaccinate every child with 50 vaccines before age six to stop every child hood disease under the pretext that they are all deadly. Come on folks, 20-30 years ago diseases like chicken pox and measles were at best considered a 2 week nuisance, now thanks to the hyoe and propaganda and the fear mongering these have turned out to be “deadly”.. get a grip and look at the real data that is buried deep in the CDC databases. What we have done is essentially traded in common childhood diseases that most children recovered from without any unwanted side effects into a slew of life long auto-immune and neurological disorders with a lifetime of suffering.

  • Anita Anderson

    mplo, people like you scare me with your anger and ignorance. You are a mindless shepple and your comments are unfounded. Please crawl back under the rock in which you came from.

  • mplo

    Speak for yourself, Anita Anderson. Why don’t you do likewise regarding “that rock”? I have people in my family with histories of autism, so I know far more about this particular neurological disorder than YOU do! Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, babe!

  • mplo

    Sorry, but I don’t buy what you’re saying, Desiree Rover. These communicable childhood diseases that kids are being vaccinated against are NOT anything like the common cold. They’re much more serious than that and they can’t be eradicated with Vitamin C or with simple hygenic habits such as handwashing, etc.,

  • Anita Anderson

    I live Autism 24/7. I have a 14 year old son with vaccine induced autism. This will be my last reply to you for you can not have a conversation with ignorance and anger which spews from you. Off to smoke my pipe babe!!

  • mplo

    As I said before, that so-called connection between Vaccines and autism was debunked and tossed out by the wayside a long time ago, and Dr. Andrew Wakefield lost his license to practice medicine, and well he should’ve, for his fraudulent, deceitful behavior, and getting gullible, desperate people who are all too willing to pass the buck for something that their kid(s) are afflicted with (autism), that is innate, and that a kid is borne into our world with. The chances are better than not that your 14 year old son with autism was hard-wired together like that, in utero, during fetal development, well before he even came into this world. I also might add that Autism was around well before the vaccines even came out.

    This is my last reply to you too, Anita. Have fun smoking your pipe, sweetie.

  • Curious

    Lou, can you please provide the names of the the vaccine preservatives and toxins and the specific amounts found? Thanks

  • guest

    As you may be aware, autism rates are now 1 in 50. Autism was hardly ever heard of 20 – 30 years ago. Now its an epidemic and yet the health authorities are still dethering like professional numbskulls *not knowing* what possibly caused it. Anyhow, Autism rates actually exploded AFTER the vaccine schedule was started and there are so many more vaccinations in the schedule today and still counting. Interesting though, as each new vaccine is introduced to the schedule the autism and cancer rates in children soar once more. It may not cause every single case of autism but it difinately pulls the trigger in most cases . Refrain from being hostile and sarcastic towards others. We live in times of great deceit and intolerance. Consider being more open minded and compassionate instead. Great truths can be revealed this way. Everyone has their story to tell and mothers of vaccine damaged children do not need a phD to figure out that their child was destroyed by a vaccine. Anita is one of the many millions that have experienced this tragedy so don’t deny or discount her experience.

    Dr Wakefield by the way is not what you describe above. He did what most Dr’s wouldn’t have the guts nor the gumption to do what he did and that was to tell the TRUTH and that put the vaccine program and profits at risk. His findings have also been confirmed by other doctors around the world so its hardly fraudulent practice. Anyhow, you are entitled to your opinions but just be less aggressive about it.

  • Jim Billy Bob

    Hi Lou, Anna and Priscilla,

    Thanks for adding nothing to the debate. Even if I was getting paid to reply to these posts (which I’m not), wouldn’t it be more constructive to discuss the information I post rather than attack my character or motives?

    More to that point, thanks for confirming my original statement.

    You all reek of poor logic. Google ad hominem fallacy if you want to see what it means.

  • You can also use Google to find Post-vaccination encephalomyelitis.

  • Jim Billy Bob

    I could also use Google to find out that Elvis left the earth on a spaceship.
    Thank God they don’t give out websites to just anyone.

  • Jim Billy Bob

    SR,

    I’m pretty sure you haven’t intentionally spoon-fed these “toxins”. But just keep in mind, if you’ve breast fed your child, you pumped them full of aluminum. If you bathed or given them water to drink, you’ve given them mercury. If they’re human beings, they have formaldehyde in their body since its naturally occurring in the human body.

    Something only become a toxin, if they’ve been given a toxic dose.
    Its up to you an your physicians to show which harmful ingredient (or combination of them) caused the affliction along with its causal mechanisms. After that, you have to prove that the “toxins” in the vaccines caused said affliction as opposed to any other exposure that may have occurred.

    But If your physicians are licensed and they’ve done all appropriate testing and have come to the conclusion that your child has been injured by a vaccine, then you should seek compensation.
    Can you clarify for me which genetic mutation, you are referring to?

  • Jim Billy Bob

    Hi Ravi,

    Yes, the inserts of vaccine packages say side effects include neurological disorders. But the odds of this happening aren’t 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 or 1 in 10,000. Its actually less than 1 in 1,000,000. If you’ve studied statistics, you would know that with such statistical insignificance, you cannot attribute or even suggest that vaccines are the sole cause of those neurological conditions. Essentially the math is saying a tiny fraction of those receiving vaccines (we’re talking a fraction of 1%) in the entire USA will experience a neurological reaction (i.e. encephalitis) that MAY lead to a progressive neurological disorder.

    More to that point, you haven’t even considered all the latest research indicating the strong genetic components to ASD which are now being discovered in utero. Placental abnormalities, fragile x, SHANK genes are all attributed to autism and are determined well before any vaccine is given.

  • That’s a non sequitur fallacy. Google it.

  • mplo

    “No Amish have autism or asthma”?!?

    That’s something I refuse to buy into, because autism and asthma occur throughout our society, in every culture, racial, ethnic and religious group, and all over the world, for that matter.

    The Amish are an insular community, and just because few are vaccinated doesn’t make not vaccinating kids a safe practice. Their ways are often quite quaint…and backwards.

  • mplo

    Oh, come off of it, guest!

    The fact is that autism was first identified in the 1940’s…well before the vaccines even came out, even though it was undoubtedly been around for hundreds of years and wasn’t identified until the 1940’s, by Leo Kanner and Hans Asperger.

    Dr. Wakefield is a fraud, and I’m not buying into the dangerous, irresponsible anti-vaccine propaganda that he, you and tons of other anti-vaccine people are spouting out. I’m glad my parents were responsible enough to have their kids vaccinated against those horrible diseases, and that my siblings did likewise with their kids. We were all vaccinated against polio, pertussis, etc., and we’re all normal.

    Oh, and it seems to me that YOU’RE the aggressive one here, guest.

  • You can’t be serious.

    Do some more research on vaccine timelines.

  • mplo

    No, Jeffrey John Aufderhelde! Why don’t YOU do some research, okay. I refuse to buy into this hysterical, irresponsible anti-vaccine stuff.

  • Can you be more specific? It doesn’t appear you are receptive to looking at a simple timeline.

    Check out the publication Vaccines 4th edition at your local library. Page 5 has a nice summary table for your reference.

  • mplo

    Let’s put it this way, Jeffry John Aufderheide: I’m a smarter cookie than you and your anti-vaccine friends care to realize and one doesn’t have to be a scientist into doing tons of research to be aware of what’s fraudulent and what isn’t. I know several people who weren’t vaccinated against polio who ended up getting polio, and were permanently disabled because of it. Not only did I and my siblings, and nephews and niece vaccinated against such horrible diseases, but so were all my classmates, and we all turned out fine, not permanently disabled or dead, and we all grew up to lead normal, productive lives.

    I think it’s dangerously irresponsible for people to throw caution to the wind like this when it comes to immunizing kids against disablling or deadly diseases. I also knew somebody from a Christian Science family who came down with Whooping cough (a bad case of it, to boot), because her parents, due to religious reasons, would not immunize their kids against these deadly diseases. If everything I’ve said here isn’t enough specification for you, too bad., because I stand by all I’ve said, and the heck with the so-called timelines.

  • tylersmom

    The problem is…..when it is… YOUR child, and someone calls them “statistically insignificant”, there is a problem. It happened to my child, and so many others. I dont believe the statistics, as no one should given the special education needs. It speeks volumes as to what the “real data” of cognitively impaired children is. My son, as so many others, had completely normal development until age 3. He had encephalopathy the same day as vaccines, and a fever, followed by regression. It is the same old story that most just arent listening to. Kepp loading that crap into your kids, but for some of us, we have seen first hand the devestation of the current vaccine policy, and owe no one any “proof” of any thing. Give me the choice, and you can have the vaccine.

  • mplo

    That’s not true that these deadly childhood diseases are a minor inconvenience that most children recovered from. A lot of children did get unwanted side affects, were permanently disabled by, and even died as a result.

  • tylersmom

    Well, Thank God “Elvis” is not injected neurotoxins injuring children! Whew!

  • Jim Billy Bob

    Um…everything I’ve posted comes from research medical journals.

  • Jim Bob

    Sure. I’ll give you that.
    But you’ll also notice that your first comment about encephalomyelitis is also a non-sequitur as it had nothing to do with the premise I posted regarding ad hominem attacks.

  • Jim Bob

    Who’s injecting these “toxins” again?

  • Jim Bob

    No one’s calling brain-injured child statistically insignificant. That’s your brain assuming an insult where there isn’t one. What I was saying is that attribution of brain injury to vaccines is so small that statistically its hard to attribute the injury entirely on vaccines.
    While I’m sympathetic that your child was injured, you can’t replace science with an emotional response and anecdotal evidence. The sole reason for this is because anecdotal evidence does not provide any information. Yes, your child had some cognitive injury with some temporal relation to vaccinations. But my children have all been vaccinated fully without reaction.
    So your 1 child case study gets trumped by my 3 child case study. But in reality, both case studies are of poor design and need to be considered in the broader scope which does not support the fact that vaccines cause ASD or the plethora of other ailments that this community asserts.

  • Trish

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

    FROM THE CDC WEBSITE:

    Data & Statistics

    On this Page
    Prevalence
    Risk Factors and Characteristics
    Diagnosis
    Economic Costs
    References
    Related Pages
    Prevalence
    About
    1 in 88 children has been identified with an autism spectrum disorder
    (ASD) according to estimates from CDC’s Autism and Developmental
    Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network. [Read article]
    ASDs are reported to occur in all racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic groups. [Read article]
    ASDs are almost 5 times more common among boys (1 in 54) than among girls (1 in 252). [Read article]
    Studies
    in Asia, Europe, and North America have identified individuals with an
    ASD with an average prevalence of about 1%. A recent study in South
    Korea reported a prevalence of 2.6%. [Data table ] [Read article]
    About
    1 in 6 children in the U.S. had a developmental disability in
    2006-2008, ranging from mild disabilities such as speech and language
    impairments to serious developmental disabilities, such as intellectual
    disabilities, cerebral palsy, and autism. [Read summary]

  • Markus Heinze

    Um…and who pays for that research in medical journals? I am sure it is completely independently funded and conducted to ensure there is no bias or special interest involved?

  • guest

    mplo your attitude sounds very fearful and misinformed. Fear can make us defensive and avoid seeking the truth. Are you afraid of others bursting your bubble and boring you with the facts? Unfortunately the truth can be very ugly sometimes.

    However, It’s highly ignorant and foolish to assume that every child or adult can tolerate vaccines especially at the rate their given today. Parents who believed that vaccines were the saviour of disease and everything else their dr told them had learnt the hard way after their children were damaged or had died. Parents who have vaccine damaged children were pro vaccinators until the truth hit home. Ignorance is bliss until it hurts.

    Every single one of us needs to question things much more than ever today and to critically analyse what we are spoon fed through the media. People have been brained washed beyond belief by endless propaganda and have loss the ability to think for themselves and rather let the gov and media do it for them. Our society has disarmed us in so many ways and as a result we have become too complacent. For instance, too many people have the foolish mindset that shirk responsibility for their own health by seeking chemical solutions to solve all their health issues and expect others to do the same! One size fits all medicine is a dangerous concept. Not everyone can tolerate the toxic overload and besides much much more vaccines are given in the first 12 months of life.

    I suggest you have a look at the contamnation of the polio vaccines back in the 1950’s. A virus known as SV-40 was found in them and is showing up in the numerous soft tissue cancers of people in recent times. Could this also be one of the smoking guns in the explosion of cancer rates since the 80’s? You need to enlighten yourself a little more and not cling so tightly to falsehoods. Open your mind. Jeffery’s idea to check out time lines is a good place to start. If the above only stirs your blood and not your curiosity then you need to pick another site that holds your views. Your aggression serves no purpose here.

  • mplo

    Frankly, guest, I think that YOU’RE the one who’s sticking to fearfulness and hysteria, and so are all your colleagues in the anti-vaccine movement. I think you need to open up your mind, guest! Had I not been vaccinated, I would’ve been either permanently disabled and not capable of leading any kind of normal life, or I’d be dead. Vaccinations can and do save lives. Stop kidding yourself. Thanks.

  • Well, i will tell you some facts, denialist of all, no matter what, Jim Bob. There are doctors as well that refused to believe that vaccines were doing the harm and as well in causation of ASD that is being said is happening. Until it happened to their own child, and they watched it happen right in front of them. They have then been known come to come in tears to those who give the vaccine truth seminars for example, and say you were right, and keep doing what you are doing. They say that about the very same people they had heard speak and disliked, for putting forth what they had been, and had wanted them to stop. The number of children existing with their health harmed by vaccines is a massive number over-all in the US, and as well across the world. I know you obviously can not face that. By the CDC figures 1 in 50 now has ASD, how many children is that total? And are you responsible for caring for any of those children, or are you providing the financial means and assistance for even one of those children? For every child with ASD there are as well countless more that have had their health affected with chronic conditions and disorders. Dont tell me they can not do an entirely vaccinated verses entirely unvaccinated health study. The CDC fears such a study, as it would its impact do so much damage it would finish them and their credibility.

    For you to state that my three healthy vaccinated children trump your vaccine damaged child is simply a form of unacceptable arrogance, and is literally a cold hearted poo poo on you attitude, that largely discredits any honest and unbiased credibility on your part and on this matter all together. Nothing would be enough, you must deny it. To tell any parent that their vaccine harmed child is just meaningless anecdotal evidence, how much more cold hearted can it get than that?

    Its is as well entirely preposterous that you should still claim to that you and the CDC have all the science, when endless scientific studies existing right in Pubmed clearly showing the mechanisms of harm of vaccines, and as well leaving many unanswered questions as to ASD, that the CDC and Offit will forever refuse to address.

    How do you explain the obviously false claims that aluminum adjuvants are safe, in such as Offit stating that injecting it is the same thing as eating it; and they said the same thing about mercury (Thimerosal)? No physiological science has ever shown that to be one and the same. And how would you explain this study?

    Newly published research by Keele Conference scientists shows that aluminum adjuvant in vaccines transfers to the brain. They have documented the path from injection site to the brain, and that once in the brain, it persists. Newborns, the elderly, and people with a certain genetic variation are particularly at risk.

    http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2013-04-12/vaccines-alum-adjuvant-path-to-brain-found/

    Slow CCL2-dependent translocation of biopersistent particles from muscle to brain
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23557144
    http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/99

    More unbiased studies:

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-unbiased-vaccine-science-and-data.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-vaccine-damage—science.html

  • Thats funny, the ASD diagnosis is by the CDC numbers at now 1 in 50, and you say that it is in only a one in a million chance that any child has ever had significant harm from vaccines, and even that one chance you are saying can not likely be proven. That is what you are saying. And you quoted that one in a million number directly from the to much to lose CDC.

    And you are going to insist that a study shows that this 1 in 50 number is all strongly genetic and caused by placental abnormalities. is there anything they couldn’t dupe you with, if it avoided admitting it was the vaccines? A steady increase in vaccines since 1987 and the no liability allowed for anyone and to include pharma; no liability risk anywhere. Many of those vaccines as well now using human diploid tissue in the growing and manufacture process.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    How do you as well explain this? Recovery from ASD. Can the mainstream medical side do that with their drugs and therapy? Detoxing the vaccines and giving the child what they need to heal. And they say it only gives false hope, endlessly denying that these children have many of them recovered. Really, can it get any more in denial and evil than that?

    Biomedical Treatment
    http://www.vacfacts.info/biomedical-treatment-in-autism-asd.html

  • mplo

    More codwalloping nonsense from the anti-vaccine people? The flu vaccine is also for saving lives, not killing people off! Get your story straight.

  • Jim Bob

    My bad Lowell. I forgot that the pharmaceutical industry has paid out every doctor, government, public health agency and medical journal in the world to say that vaccines are safe. All while making extremely minimal profits.

  • mplo

    Frankly, guest, I think that YOU’RE the one who’s brainwashed, fearful and sticking to falsehoods that were disproved and tossed out by the wayside a long time ago. It’s the parents who’ve stubbornly and stupidly refused to have their kids vaccinated who’ve become complacent and have caused a re-ememergence of pertussis and many other of these horrific communicable diseases. These illnesses are NOT like the common cold, or even the flu, which can be minimized with simple, common-sense hygienic habits such as hand-washing when necessary, etc.

    I also might add, guest, that vaccines, including the flu vaccines, have saved lives in more ways than one. 36, 000 people dying of the flu each year because they weren’t innoculated against it? That tells you something right there, imho. There’s no guarantee that one WON’T get the flu if they’re vaccinated, but they’ll end up with a milder case of the flu in the event that they do come down with it.

    As for pertussis, polio, diphtheria, measles, mumps, etc, those diseases aren’t just a minor inconvenience, especially polio and pertussis, which can cripple, if not kill a patient outright. I don’t buy Jeffry’s link, because I see it and call all this anti-vaccine crap for what it is–a bunch of dangerous hocus-pocus.

    Autism is an innate, biologically-based, neurological development disorder that people just plain come into the world with, and nobody knows how or why that happens. There is a theory, however, that’s gaining more and more support; the hardwiring for autism takes place in utero, during fetal development. It’s NOT vaccine-related, no matter what the now-unlicensed Dr. Andrew Wakefield, the know-nothing Jenny McCarthy, or any of his rabid followers may say or think.

  • mplo

    Yes, I’m going to say that, Lowell Hubbs, because it’s been found that autism does have a genetic basis for it, and that it does take place in utero, during fetal development. Autism may not be “curable”, but the brain can and ofteh enough does modify itself as a child gets older, with early therapy and intervention, and not in the form of kinky diets, chelation therapy and so-called “detoxification’ from vaccines.

  • ponerology

    No; you get your story straight. Try youtube Dr. Maurice Hilleman who admitted he and Salk knew the polio vaccine had simian virus 40 in it but they went ahead with it anyway. Do you really think anything has changed? Look at the results all around you FIRST. Stop being so naive.

  • mplo

    I think YOU’RE the naive one, ponerology. You believe all the crap that the anti-vaccine movement uses in order to scare you and tons of other people into not having your kids vaccinated against polio and other such horrific diseases, but you know what? I’m GLAD that my parents were responsible enough, educated enough and sensible enough to have us kids vaccinated against polio, because we’d all be dead or severely disabled by now.

    If you think that polio is a “minor” inconvenience to the person afflicted with it, you might want to think again. Maybe you might want to meet or do some research on people who’ve survived polio, but were permanently disabled by it, because they weren’t vaccinated against it for whatever reason(s).

    Oh, and I also might add that the idea that the Salk Polio vaccines had Simian viruses in it is just pure bunk, and nobody with any sense buys that.

  • ponerology

    Sorry. I’m sticking with my lying eyes and the fact that the pharmaceutical companies have been caught over and over and over again hurting people rather than helping people and paying a few million/billion dollars here and there (it’s just the price of doing business) to make the lawsuits go away. I’m also sticking with the fact that the so-called “scientific studies” are utterly bogus because the money goes ONLY to those who will play along and say the drugs/vaccines are ‘safe’. Try reading (for starters) Dr. Robert Mendelsohn’s books. (But you are the type of person who WON’T look at evidence objectively because you CANNOT bring yourself to the obvious conclusion that there is an agenda afoot.)
    BTW- the photo of the kid in the iron lung was the same photo used over and over again to scare people into lining up for the vaccine. IF you can’t bring yourself to understand that even one of the “doctor(s)” (I use the term loosely) who was involved in the making of the polio vaccine KNEW and ADMITTED to the fact that the soup, called a vaccine, injected into millions of people, had a CANCER-causing virus (SV40) in it, then you, as an individual, are beyond hope. You are called a casualty of war by your “betters”.
    There is truly nothing worse than willful ignorance or as the old saying goes; there are none so blind….

  • ponerology

    Ah “science”…the REAL faith-based religion.

  • ponerology

    Great! 1 in 88 ! Fantastic. And guess what?? They are a ‘burden’ on society (especially as they get older don’t you know) so watch what happens next. Can you guess what it will be folks? But, I’M SURE this is all one terrible, inexplicable, unforeseen, accident. NO one could have seen this coming at all. There is certainly NO agenda here folks. Don’t pay any attention to what’s going on in…hmm…let us say Europe (e.g. Holland) for instance. Move along please….

  • ponerology

    The toxins are put right into the blood stream with an injection. The body’s normal defenses to diseases are by-passed.
    Stop throwing the horse manure about bathing and drinking water. Go break open an old style thermometer and inject some mercury into yourself–don’t forget to add the foreign DNA/RNA too. Take 2 aspirins and call your ‘doctor’ in the morning.

  • mplo

    Sorry, ponerology, but I’M sticking with my positions on this subject.

    “There are none so blind as those who will not see”

    “A casualty of war by your betters”

    Hey babe…speak for yourself! Thanks.

  • ponerology

    Well—The Rockefeller Brothers funded and started medical schools in this country. It doesn’t get ANY more independent than that, Right??? Jimbo Billy Bob can’t get his head out of the sand long enough to see any light.

  • ponerology

    Well, if it makes you a “real thinker” then you’ve got to question all of it. Not just vaccines. And you have to question WHY. What is there to gain other than simply the financial side of it? This is one small piece of a much larger picture. But most people cannot/will not take the leap and really look at it all.

  • ponerology

    And wouldn’t people like that scam artist “Dr.” Oz vaccinate his own kids (which he admits he does not do)? And if those who push vaccinations are so convinced it gives immunity, why do they care if certain people don’t vaccinate? As long as the vaccine pushers are vaccinated–why do they care if other people aren’t vaccinated? It’s unadulterated horse manure.

  • ponerology

    Let Sanofi-Aventis know that whatever dose of flu (pig, monkey, dog DNA/RNA) injection they have intended for me and mine is ALL yours. Enjoy!

  • mplo

    Ha ha ha!

    Your attitude would be laughable if the consequences of such an attitude wasn’t so devastating for many children and their families, who’ve been manipulated by you and your friends in the anti-vaccine movement into not getting vaccinated against pertussis, polio and other horrible diseases. You’re the gullible one here, ponerology, so, don’t inflict your gullibility on me, please! Thanks.!

  • Richard

    This issue is so polarized it seems difficult to make progress. I do believe overuse of vaccines and their harmful additives contribute to the neurological damage and immune dysfunction seen in autism and other diseases but it is at best a contributing factor not a cause. As such it should be enough for authorities to rethink the current vaccine schedules (more is not better) , eliminate unnecessary vaccines, and properly investigate the issue. (based on the parallel of increased autism and other neurological/immune syndromes and the increase of vaccine schedules.) Those that point their fingers solely at vaccines need to realize there is never one cause to disease and trying to direct sole blame on vaccines will get you no where. Many factors and susceptibilities come in to play. There is much we all can do to protect ourselves through herbs and lifestyle but you won’t generally get this information from the conventional medical system. There is little doubt in my mind the overuse and accumulative effects of repeated vaccination plays a role in autism and it saddens me profit is a bigger motivator than people. I look forward to the day when our elected government returns to being there for the citizens and not big business.

  • creepyTexan

    I look but I am sure we come to different conclusions sometimes. That is how people are. I am not afraid to look like some I know. But some ideas that you might think show independant thought I might think show lack of skepticism. Like somehow less government no matter what is cut will somehow fix America. I’d rather fix government because who is to say the people funding the less government movement are not waiting for instability in the US to take over? Who is gullible? You say you think Planned Parenthood exists to control who has kids but what will happen if abortions cease? No one will be able to do anything with so many babies born. So which way is easier to control with mass amounts of babies born or less? I don’t look for the answers others line up behind. I am skeptical of the skeptical too. Because even the skeptical can start to fall on band wagons which is what is happening with many Libertarians, etc.

  • creepyTexan

    Yes there are lots of studies by Wakefield when he was trying to get big funding.

    However they have to be excluded now since he has been found to be fraudulent. You do your cause no service by trying to hold onto faulty research by a discredited Doctor.

    http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5258

  • creepyTexan
  • ponerology

    Thanks for the reply. I don’t label myself as Liberterian. In fact, I don’t belong to groups. Groups, no matter how well intentioned at the beginning, will be infiltrated sooner or later and will veer off their original course. As for what will happen if abortion ceases; well, in my opinion abortion will never cease to exist. My objection is government involvement in it. Once government is involved in private lives, your private life is not your private life anymore. Slowly, and most assuredly, you will lose your freedom. Government is a self-propagating entity. It doesn’t care what it eats up in its path. We are on a path of self-destruction. Even the U.N. admits (in papers no one reads) that world wide numbers are going down, not up. And this is especially true for Western cultures.
    Zbigniew Brzezinski said it’s easier now to kill a million people than it is (as in years past) to control a million people. This guy is an insider’s insider. Listen closely. And then read the book Political Ponerology by by Andrzej Lobaczewski and Laura Knight-Jadczyk
    Take a listen/look and don’t be fooled. This guy knows that not only can a million people easily be killed, he knows full well that most people are very easily controlled as well. You have to remember, people like Brzezinski know that what he says will get airplay so he speaks exoterically and esoterically.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4usbR_kKCDs

  • ponerology

    Wakefield hasn’t been discredited.
    Do yourself a favor; that is, if you are really seeking truth. This is a shortcut: wwwcuttingthroughthematrix.com.

  • creepyTexan

    I will check out the book. Thanks.

  • CassandraofDelphi

    Richard, Can you list the other contributing factors? Because from my research the following are turning up over and over: heavy metals, infectious agents. The place where these come together is in a vaccine. Also, what other diseases have increased over the last two decades? Autoimmune diseases, allergies, asthma. All these can be linked to vaccines. So it is hard to believe that there is anything out there that can provide a stronger trigger for the developing brain and immune system than vaccines. The CDC have been given ample amount of time to figure this out. They have put their heads in the sand and do not want to give an inch. They don’t even want to admit that giving the Hep B to all newborns is not only unnecessary, it is outright dangerous.

  • mplo

    So….Autistic people are a burden on society, eh? Let me tell you, sweetie, that there are plenty of autistics who, with good, early intervention, go on to lead normal lives, and become productive members of society, like most people. They have jobs, own homes, pay taxes, have an education, and some are even married, with children.

    The anti-vaccine movement is a load of BS, and I don’t buy it. Thanks.

  • CassandraofDelphi

    Jim, hit the books because you have a lot to learn. Shank, fragile X only contribute to a tiny portion of the autism cases. Strong genetic component? You failed to read the Stanford study that found that roughly 60% of autism is environmental. There is no genetic epidemic!

    You are talking about 1 in 1,000,000 chance for vaccine damage.
    First, it is higher, more like 1 in 10,000 and only applies to one vaccine. What happens when a baby gets 4-5 or even more in one visit? We simply don’t have good numbers for that. Also, every vaccine is studied against a dummy placebo, either components of the vaccine or other vaccines, and not a real saline placebo. That means that we really don’t have a good measure of side effects to begin with.

  • ponerology

    Go away. You couldn’t find your way out of a paper bag.

  • CassandraofDelphi

    Oh Jim, like you have never heard of drugs being approved by the FDA to be later removed from the market for severe side effects? Your head is in the sand. And minimal profits? The vaccine market is at 25 billion dollars annually and growing, hardly minimal.

  • mplo

    You know nothing about autism at all, CassandraofDelphi. There is a strong genetic component to autism. Many studies have born that out.

  • mplo

    Why don’t you do the same, ponderology?

    “You couldn’t find your way out of a wet paper bag?”
    Speak for yourself, babe! The people on the anti-vaccine movement are rapidly becoming a stench. Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who created this fraudlent anti-vaccine movement lost his license to practice medicine, precisely because HE became a stench and a major liability, to boot.

  • mplo

    “Wakefield hasn’t been discredited”?!?

    Why did he lose his license to practice medicine then, if that be the case? He lost his license precisely because he was discredited, due to his fraudulent “vaccine-autism” link have been debunked and tossed out by the wayside a long time ago. Andrew Wakefield became a stench, and so is everybody else involved with the anti-vaccine movement, including that exhibitionist, Jenny McCarthy.

  • ponerology

    If “doctors” want to keep their licenses, they don’t SAY A WORD about the links between MMR vaccine and autism and bowel disease. Wakefield cared more about the truth than his bloody license. The powers behind these programs can crush individuals or groups who attempt to tell the truth.
    You can’t possibly be counter intelligence. You’re simply too dense to be. Go ahead. I know you have to have the last word. Make it memorable.

  • mplo

    At least Dr. Andrew Wakefield won’t be able to go spreading his falsehoods and hopefully (not too many), people won’t die playing with the fires that he and that exhibitionist Jenny McCarthy have stoked. Wakefield’s the Whitey Bulger of the Medical world, only he got barred from doing his dangerous work much sooner than Whitey Bulger did.

    You can’t possibly be counter-intelligence either, ponerology, because YOU’RE too dense for that. It’s people like Dr. Andrew Wakefield, Jenny McCarthy, and all their gullible followers like YOU who’re trying to manipulate and distort the truth for your own ends. You’re all getting more and more like the antiabortionists who’d like to see abortion outlawed altogether, only your outlaw-them-altogether attitude is in reference to vaccines.

  • mplo

    Ha ha ha!

    You and the other people on the anti-vaccine movement remind me of the people in the anti-choice, pro-live movement whose goal it is to get abortion outlawed altogether, forcing people who need/and/or can’t afford to cross state borders for a safe, legal abortion, to go get an illegal abortion at an illegal abortion mill, at the hands of a back-alley butcher who’s totally untrained in the technique, or to face the choice of unwanted pregnancies, which are hard on everybody, including the woman’s family and friends, and all of us as a society, too, because as taxpayers, we end up paying for unwanted kids.

  • guest

    OK then. let’s leave our argument here. I beg to differ on your views so I’ll remain supposedly *brainwashed* and you can remain fearful and ignorant. Enjoy your needles!!!
    Love and light, tiger…x

  • Guest

    The first known cause of autism was rubella virus.
    So not only is New Scientist an unreliable source of information, this
    cause of autism has been known since the 1960s. And rubella virus is one
    of the three live viruses in the MMR vaccine.… rubella (congenital rubella syndrome) is one of the few proven causes of autism.“
    Walter A. Orenstein, M.D. US as Assistant Surgeon General, Director
    National Immunization Program in a letter to the UK’s Chief Medical
    Officer 15 February 2002.

    People who are pre-disposed to have a mitochondrial dysfunction can develop autistic conditions following vaccination. The current President of Merck’s Vaccines Division, Julie Gerberding confirmed to CBS News when she was Director of the US Centres for Disease Control that:

    ….. if you’re predisposed with
    the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some
    of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism.“

    HOUSE
    CALL WITH DR. SANJAY GUPTA – Unraveling the Mystery of Autism; Talking
    With the CDC Director; Stories of Children with Autism; Aging with
    Autism – Aired March 29, 2008 – 08:30 ET

    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/vaccination-causes-autism-%E2%80%93-say-us-government-merck%E2%80%99s-director-of%C2%A0vaccines/

  • Linda Shannon

    The first known cause of autism was rubella virus and rubella virus is one
    of the three live viruses in the MMR vaccine.

    … rubella (congenital rubella syndrome) is one of the few proven causes of autism.“
    Walter A. Orenstein, M.D. US as Assistant Surgeon General, Director
    National Immunization Program in a letter to the UK’s Chief Medical
    Officer 15 February 2002.

    People who are pre-disposed to have a mitochondrial dysfunction can develop autistic conditions following vaccination. The current President of Merck’s Vaccines Division, Julie Gerberding confirmed to CBS News when she was Director of the US Centres for Disease Control that:

    ….. if you’re predisposed with
    the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some
    of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism.“

    HOUSE
    CALL WITH DR. SANJAY GUPTA – Unraveling the Mystery of Autism; Talking
    With the CDC Director; Stories of Children with Autism; Aging with
    Autism – Aired March 29, 2008 – 08:30 ET

    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/vaccination-causes-autism-%E2%80%93-say-us-government-merck%E2%80%99s-director-of%C2%A0vaccines/

  • mplo

    We can agree to disagree then. Thanks.

  • Jim Bob

    Hi Cassandra,

    So you are asserting that it is the combination of an infectious agent and heavy metals that cause autism?

    Proof of your hypothesis? Causal mechanism? In general, where is the science?

    What if a child was breastfeeding (aluminum exposure) and then went and played with a child with chicken pox? They should develop autism by your hypothesis.

    What if a toddler ate a fishstick (mercury) and with his friend who had the measles? They should develop autism by your hypothesis.

  • Jim Bob

    1) If 60% environmental, please explain why its the ingredients in vaccines as opposed to other avenues of exposure.

    2) The information is per dose not per vaccine. So a child receiving a dose of DTP will have less than a 1 in 1000000 chance of having a neurological reaction.

    MMR is slightly higher at around 1 in 800000.

  • Jim Bob

    Um…so the FDA and CDC actually did a good job in protecting the public.

    Why not applaud them for removing an unsafe product instead demonizing them? and saying their in bed with the pharmaceutical industry?

    Why would they remove a pharmaceutical product if they’re being paid off by big pharma?

    More to your point: revenue is not profit. And vaccines are small fries compared to what other products pharmaceutical companies can produce. I won’t go into the history of it but you’ll notice that most pharmaceutical companies had bailed on the vaccine industry in the 80’s because of its low profitability and the oppourtunity cost of developing other more lucrative drugs. It wasn’t until the government intervened for the sake of public health to lure “big pharma” back to the vaccine industry.

  • The unbiased truth is all to self evident, mplo. You are only continuing to parrot the slander and misinformation that you were told.

    Dr Andrew Wakefield – MMR Vaccine – Truth and Reality
    http://www.vacfacts.info/dr-andrew-wakefield—mmr-vaccine—truth-and-reality.html

  • There is no such proof, mplo; and all that was is a hypothesis, and at best only involved a small percentage of the cases of ASD. If that were true, all the kids would be born with ASD and it would be evident near to immediately. Genetic changes and alterations in the womb do not cause previously bright and healthy children to fall extremely ill and then develop ASD, and no speech ASD. These kids are entirely lost as to interacting as normal children do, and you should realize that. Of course the timing of the shots and that near immediate result was only a coincidence, right? Please list all of your conflicts of interest? I have absolutely none, and recieve not a dime from my efforts at presentation of the unbiased truth and the real science.

  • LOL, that is an almost hideous level of ignorance and misrepresentation, Jim Bob. Keep up the good work.

  • mplo

    “The “unbiased truth” is all too self-evident. You are only continuing to parrot the slander and misinformation that you were told.”

    “Dr Andrew Wakefield-MMR Vaccine-Truth and Reality
    http://www.vacfacts.info/dir-an

    Ha ha ha! Speak for yourself, Lowell Hubbs!

  • mplo

    You’re wrong, plain and simple, Lowell Hubbs! Maybe THAT’S why you don’t receive a dime for your efforts at presentation of the so-called “unbiased truth and the “real” science”.

  • mplo

    No! YOU and your friends in the anti-vaccine movement are the ones who are wrong, Lowell Hubbs! Chances are much better than not that the kids in your so-called “study” of “the facts” were hard-wired together with the biological pre-disposition to autism during utero (in the womb), during fetal development. Autism isn’t caused by vaccines. Why don’t YOU do some research on some of the autism websites on the net, instead of constantly spouting out your BS?

  • And you get paid for what you do, and to deny any and all vaccine connection, that doesn’t suprise me. You have nothing; as a fact, nothing. Are you going to tell me your said theory is responsible for a now 1 in 50 ASD epidemic? Your claims are absolutely preposterous and literally hideous. On the other hand, check out the endless list of actual physioloical studies I have put forth. You selectively missed that didn’t you. What, just because the CDC didn’t acknowledge it? Why would they, it would destroy them and vaccine pharma; and they control all of the information the public recieves.

    My question is it that you get paid to come on sites like this to decieve the public and to keep denying the truth, or is it you personally who can not handle the truth. Which is it?

  • The pharma industry bailed on vaccines in 1987 because the original DPT shot had damaged and killed so many children that they not only could not handle the negetive publicity, but as well were unwilling to pay for the damages. Get it right, Jim Bob. Read it, DPT, A Shot in the Dark, by Harris Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher.

    As a fact with the addition of many now more no liability vaccines since 1987, and in the additonal and continued vaccine harm they pharma have caused, it would put them in even more dire straights legally and in their legal liability and responsiblility than they ever were before, and that if the truth be known. Its wrong, and it is simply and clearly wrong! What other product manufacturer anywhere enjoys absolutely no legal liability for anything that happens? None…anywhere!

  • mplo

    No, Lowell Hubbs…I think that YOU’RE the one who gets paid to post all the bogus stuff that you and your pals in the anti-vaccine movement constantly tout. Don’t go projecting your shortcomings on me, please! Thanks!

  • mplo

    Hey, ponerology–Why don’t YOU do likewise? Thanks.

  • ponerology
  • mplo

    Thanks for the two BS links, babe. Hope YOU’VE enjoyed them!

  • ponerology

    The CDC is a “BS” link? Okay. You’ve proved my many previous points, Schm*ck.

  • mplo

    You’ve proven MY points, too, A-hole! Thanks a bunch!

  • ponerology

    FROM THE CDC: Cancer, Simian Virus 40 (SV40), and Polio Vaccine Fact Sheet
    (FIFTY years later, the CDC admits SV40 cancer virus was in polio vaccine and they knew it well before they will admit even now.)
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/updates/archive/polio_and_cancer_factsheet.htm

    And watch “Doctor” Maurice Hilleman admit years earlier. And it was “bargain basement” technology. What a guy!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QiSV_lrDQ

  • KC

    And now we have a lot of children getting unwanted affects, and permanent disability because of the vaccines!!! The rapid increase in the past 10 years is unbelievable. I am not going to say you should or should not immunise your child as that is a parent’s choice. However, I will say I have 3 children who were fully immunised up until my third child received his MMR just prior to turning 2. He responded to his name, interacted with people, loved to play with his sisters, smiled, laughed and had a good vocabulary of single and two -three word phrases. He was my third child, so I was well aware of normal development and didn’t miss anything. I am also a Primary School Teacher, specialising in Early Childhood Years and Early Childhood Intervention programs prior to children commencing KIndergarten. My son became a blank canvas who withdrew completely into his own world. He stopped responding to his name, stopped speaking, screamed, banged his head, stopped playing, refused to eat and sat in a room by himself watching the same DVD over and over. No smiles, no laughter, no hugs! A formal diagnosis of Non Verbal Autism with an Intellectual Disability before the age of 3.

    I will not continue the immunisation program with any of my children and I will not be made to feel bad for making this decision. If your child was affected like this, you would feel the same. You would then spend every spare moment researching, reading, questioning, learning, observing every aspect of autism. Being a specialist, (eg paediatrician, speech therapist, doctor etc) or to those who quote research shows…..it does not make you know everything about autism – living it does! All of the research on causes and treatments contradict themselves and I’ve been researching and reading for 5 years now. I do not care if people say “oh the risk is low”. How dare any of you or the government try to insist that I continue to pump vaccines into my children? And to all the parents who say my children may infect their immunised kids. That is absurd!! If your child is fully immunised and the vaccines work, if there was a measle outbreak, then your child should be safe! Funny how the last whooping cough epidemic in WA actually infected and spread through a large number of immunised kids and unvaccinated children were a very small minority. Finally, I live autism and I work autism …. yes I now teach children with autism in my mainstream classroom also. I am extremely passionate about it and have got my son and my students talking, interacting and making slow, but gradual improvements both academically and socially. Actually my son who is nearly nine can now talk reasonably well, is fully toilet trained and hugs me and tells me he loves me! He still has a long way to go with interaction and socialisation but at least he doesn’t have a full on melt down now if I have a visitor and we can finally go the shops without too many dramas. The effects autism has had on his life, my daughters lives and my own life are unbelievable. I now dare to be different!! I devise and follow my own programs to teach these special children, as the government agencies also dictate believing all autistic children should be taught one way. Even “normal” children have different learning styles. Forgive me if there are typos in this as it is 4am…. as parents who understand autism would know, sleep deprivation is common and I have rushed with my typing. People who do not have a child on the Autism Spectrum, please don’t comment and judge, because I’m sorry, but you have no idea. Thanks

  • KC

    Jim Bob have you had a child who developed autism after being vaccinated? If not, then stop believing you know all, because you don’t!

  • KC

    I have all the evidence I need. Normal developmental paediatrician reports proving my son was “normal” prior to MMR vaccines, plus the photos and our own personal experiences of him talking, interacting and behaving normally. I then have all the evidence afterwards, I live it!!!. So mplo take your research and tell some one who cares. Unless your child has had an adverse reaction to vaccinations, you will never fully understand what is going on. Quote all the research you want. If you have fully researched you will find there is plenty of contradictory evidence for various causes and you have no right to choose which is correct! Judgemental people who think they know everything make me sick. And it is people like you who will be the most judgemental and probably stare when my son with autism does something unusual in public. It is not a topic for you to debate to simply boost your self esteem about what you perceive to know. Until you live it, I suggest you shutup.

  • KC

    Thank you Lowell :)

  • KC

    Who the hell are you mplo to say we are wrong and you are right. MY SON was born normal it has nothing to do with utero and don’t you dare tell me to research the autism sites because I have …….ALL of them for five long years. I have also read every book, been to every seminar, visited autistic units at schools. You are obviously only looking at the sites that support your personal beliefs.

  • KC

    Well I wish you would stop being allowed to go spread your own falsehoods mplo.

    I ask again, have you had a child who has had an adverse reaction to vaccinations and ended up with a lifelong disability?

    If you had it your way all parents would be forced to immunise is that not an outlaw-them-altogether attitude?

  • KC

    I would so love to know how your “science” is correct! The evidence is conflicting, after 5 years of research I can easily see that. Well aren’t you lucky that your 3 children didn’t have an adverse reaction to the vaccinations. My child did and so did the lady above. I guess that’s 2 out of 5, but of course our emotional responses and feelings of disgust towards people like you are insignificant. We are only the ones who have to live with autism for ever and watch our children be judged and bullied by people just like you who believe they are correct, no matter what. Your tone and comment about “her brain assuming an insult” I actually find insulting. Please do not assume that you are correct and we are wrong and quote only one sided research to us. There are plenty of parents like me who immunised our children believing what you say is true. Unfortunately, while you get a thrill out of presenting your one sided, small minded view (yes I know, backed by science), we get to live with the terrible life long results of adverse reaction and then have to constantly listen to people like you, keep telling us we are wrong!!

  • mplo

    Yeh, well…if people like YOU and your friends in the anti-vaccine movement had it YOUR way, immunizations would be outlawed entirely and there’d be far more children who were disabled and/or dying from deadly but preventable diseases.

  • mplo

    I have to disagree with you, KC. That so-called link between vaccines and autism was disproved years ago, and the Center for Disease Control finds no link between vaccines and autism.

    Your son was more than likely hard-wired together with the biological predisposition towards autism even before he came into this world, and that’s a theory that’s been gaining more and more support not only among people in the medical profession, but among average laypeople as well.

  • mplo

    I suggest that YOU shut up, and stop spewing your crap at me, because I ain’t buying it.

  • mplo

    You don’t have any idea, KC, because you and your buddies in the anti-vaccine movement are just parroting the stupid, irresponsible and dangerous lines of that Charlatan, Dr. Andrew Wakefield. People are becoming more aware of autism, and it’s NOT caused by the vaccines.

  • SG

    Keep on believing that mplo. Did you know that Wakefield’s research has since been found to be right on the money, and that his partner in the study has been cleared? It sure is easy to clear the retired doctor, since he can’t practice anymore. But let me guess, you don’t bother to keep up with this stuff like the rest of us. Keep on believing what the CDC and the government keep telling you, in the meantime, they shelled out $2 million in December 2012 to 2 autism cases, guess what the causative agent was found to be? Yep, the MMR. Closed cases btw. You won’t every hear about it. Make sure you get a flu shot early this year! Nothing like a good dose of mercury and aluminum to help bring on cancer and Alzheimers!

  • mplo

    You’re the one who’s wrong, SG. First of all, the amount of mercury in the vaccines is VERY infinitessimal…not enough to be toxic.

    Secondly, it’s funny that you and so many of your buddies in the anti-vaccine movement who follow Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy word for word and parrot his propaganda refuse to see that vaccines can and do save lives.

    I’m glad I was immunized as a child against polio, pertussis, diphtheria and tetanus (I had the actual diseases of chicken pox (mildly enough so that nobody, including myself, even knew I had it.), mumps (on both sides at once!), and measles when I was a kid, only in the case of measles, I’d had a gamma globulin shot, which prevented me from getting anything but a mild case of the measles.), because I grew up as a normal healthy kid, who was able to run, play and romp like most other kids, and to lead a normal life, and I lived to grow up. I supposed you’d prefer it if we went back to a time when tons of people were permanently disabled or killed by deadly but preventable diseases. I sure wouldn’t, I’ll tell you.

    Maybe you should try meeting someone who got over polio, survived, but remains permanently disabled as a result, and then you just might change your tune.

  • Taroo

    To mplo:
    You were also very likely not given the horrific number of vaccines that children today are subjected to before age six.
    My nephew seized the evening the same day that he received the MMR. He most likely had encephalopathy from brain swelling, he acted as though he did not know us after that day and died in his sleep on day four…they said it was SIDS at age 2 1/2 years. I worked with an ED physician who’s six year old son died in his fathers arms during the night after having been vaccinated less than 24 hours prior to his death. He crawled into bed with his parents because he did not feel well, he was febrile and his father woke up with his dead son in his arms.
    Unless you or someone you know has been affected by vaccines, I would not tout the bad science that is swayed to make it appear that the vaccines are safe for all!

  • mplo

    How do you know that he didn’t have problems of some sort or other which developed in utero? How do you know that his receiving of the vaccines and his illness/death wasn’t just simply a coincidence? Given the CDC’s info that there’s no link between vaccines and autism, etc., your son may have been hardwired together like that in utero, during fetal development, long before he even came into this world.

    I also might add that SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) occurs in plenty of so-called “normal” infants, and you’re just going along with the fear of the anti-vaccine movement. In today’s litigenous society, it’s all too easy, especially for people like yourselves, to point fingers at and pass the buck, instead of boning up on real science. It seems to me that regarding immunizing kids, you’d just as soon leave chance to the wind and risk having your kids come up with deadly or disabling (but preventable) illnesses.

    I’m glad that my parents didn’t take such a dangerously irresponsible attitude as you and your friends in the anti-vaccine movement.

  • facts please

    Your assertion in both cases is simply ludicrous. Being exposed to chicken pox is completely different than having a live virus injected. And how does breastfeeding result in aluminum exposure? ingesting an insignificant amount of mercury through your digestive system is again completely different than being injected with mercury at higher levels.
    What is your goal? Obviously not intelligent exchange of ideas. If you don’t have anything even slightly plausible or intelligent to say, don’t waste everyone’s time.

  • Stjon

    Thank you to those that have shared, my family is just beginning its journey and I feel it is better educated for having read the comments and books. It seems it is better to be prudent than over zealous. Vaccinations do serve a purpose (especially if we are to travel through the world) but we will not be so naive to think that taking so many inoculations is safe for anyone.

    In reading through the comments from the pro-vaccinators I surmise that mothers, their wombs and breast feeding are the culprits behind autism. It may be better to take the high road and laugh off the idiocy of their supposed findings. Or else we have erred greatly these last 10,000 years of civilization by allowing women to to birth and feed our children.

    In the meantime, stop responding to people like mplo. It is obvious he has an agenda. Why else would he spend so much time on this site. And his multiple comments are either repetitive or contradicting. Odds are he doesn’t know anyone (as he claims) with Polio. It was most likely eradicated by his life-time. Ad he gives his parents for too much credit for fighting for vaccinations. Again, they just listened to the doctors and followed.

  • Christian American

    You said….. “Maybe you should try meeting someone who got over polio, survived, but
    remains permanently disabled as a result, and then you just might change
    your tune.”

    It just so happens that I do know someone who had polio and survived, as a matter of fact there are quite a few who survived from polio, the fact that permanent disability effected most with polio is all hype. My uncle had polio as a young child, the age that they were touting was the most dangerous and susceptible to permanent illness from the disease, and there is nothing wrong with him from it today. Like most who contracted polio there were no setbacks and if any they were delayed setbacks.

    An estimated 100-180 Indian children are diagnosed with vaccine-associated polio paralysis (VAPP) each year from January of 2010 to January of 2012. In fact, the clinical presentation of the disease, including paralysis,
    caused by VAPP is indistinguishable from that caused by wild poliovirusus. According to the Polio Global Eradication Initiative’s own statistics2 there
    were 42 cases of wild-type polio (WPV) reported in India in 2010,
    indicating that vaccine-induced cases of polio paralysis (100-180
    annually) outnumber wild-type cases by a factor of 3-4. Even if we put
    aside the important question of whether or not the PGEI is accurately
    differentiating between wild and vaccine-associated polio cases in their
    statistics, we still must ask ourselves: should not the real-world
    effects of immunization, both good and bad, be included in PGEI’s
    measurement of success? For the dozens of Indian children who develop
    vaccine-induced paralysis every year, the PGEI’s recent declaration of
    India as nearing “polio free” status, is not only disingenuous, but
    could be considered an attempt to minimize their obvious liability in
    having transformed polio from a natural disease vector into a man-made
    (iatrogenic) one.

    So you see, there’s proof that the polio vaccine does more harm than good and is actually causing induced paralysis in more people than the wild strain of polio ever could.

    http://www.infowars.com/polio-vaccines-now-the-1-cause-of-polio-paralysis/

    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1120116/jsp/frontpage/story_15011108.jsp#.UfSahm2kla0

  • Christian American

    So what complications are you having today? You seem to have a lot of time on your hands the way you cling to the internet. How do you know that all those shots you had as a child haven’t caused complications in you today.

    If you think it’s from your ancestral history, how far back does it go? Where did it start? Have you even looked into it or did you just listen to your PCP and decide that that must be the cause.

    Or is the reason you have all this free time on your hands is because you’re actually being paid to troll sites like this. Is big pharma in your pocket in some way? Are you a PCP, have you been fed this through college studies, did you pay out the tail for tuition and now you think that for all that invested time and money there’s no way you were misguided because if you even believed for a second that you were it would mean all that time was just wasted space in your life.

    Think about it, would you sit down
    to dinner and eat parts of an aborted fetus, chick embryo or embryonic fluid,
    fluid from calf skins, monkey kidney cells, mouse serum proteins? How about
    Mercury, would you add it to your drink as a flavoring? What about lead, is
    that on the menu tonight?

    At least if you ingested it orally you would have more of a fighting chance. This voodoo medicine is being injected via (IM) intramuscularly into our children, yet you seem to have no problem promoting it. [sic]

  • Christian American

    The CDC really, this is what you’re basing your facts on?

    Did you know that their research was performed by a man who tops the federal most wanted list for 22 counts of wire fraud and money laundering and that he participated in 21 of the 24 studies done? Did you also know that there was never any validation done in the variety of studies he participated in? Just these facts alone show his character as disreputable, why I wouldn’t even have put it past him to lie, oops that’s what he does.

    Nice source you chose.

  • Lowell

    Jim Bob is just a shill, (a likely paid) and literal sheeple, that doses not care what happens to children, just as long as he can keep all the vaccine lies alive.

  • mplo

    First of all, Stjon, I happen to be a woman. Secondly, I think that YOU and all your pals in the anti-vaccine movement are the ones with the so-called “agenda”, not me!

  • mplo

    You’re just as irresponsible as (most) of the rest of the people on this board, Christian American. I’m basing my facts on other stuff and from my own research. Autism is an innate, biologically-based neurological developmental disorder that originates in utero, during fetal development. There IS no link between vaccines and autism. Get that in your head!

  • mplo

    You’re wrong, Christian American, and you don’t know the least bit of anything about medicine. Go figure. Your disgusting message suggesting that I eat aborted fetuses and chickens, etc., for dinner is really disgusting. I’ve never met such a bunch of irresponsible people online as you and all your friends in the anti-vaccine movement who want to really run this country into the ground and reduce it to third-world status. Hey….don’t bother me and I won’t bother you!

  • mplo

    You’re wrong about people who’ve had polio not dying or being permanently paralyzed and disabled as a result, Christian American. If people like YOU ever got their way, there’d be many more people dying from or becoming permanently incapacitated by deadly but preventable diseases, because you’re so fearful of autism, which, as far as I know, hasn’t killed anybody. You and your friends in the anti-vaccine movement (which is obviously the majority of people on this board!) have no common decency, either.

  • Christian American

    “biologically-based neurological developmental disorder that originates in utero”

    Try telling that to my son who didn’t develop autism until he was 2. Explain that to my entire family where there is not now nor was there ever any cases of autism, not even ADHD or any other type of neurological disorder, shoot not even cancer or asthma. I come from a long line of healthy ancestors and so did my children’s father.

    Do I believe MMR is to blame, not sure because my Son didn’t develop autism directly after his MMR shot. Do I believe thimerosal caused my son’s autism, yes through personal studies I have done on mercury and it’s effects on brain neurons. I also believe that giving them shots through (IM) intramuscular injections is why there was a delay in my son’s autism.

    Mercury can and will lay dormant in fatty tissue until that tissue is called upon, either through weight deduction or by rapid growth spurt. Most children go through a major growth spurt at the age of 2 in which their bodies call upon stored fatty tissues for additional energy acclimated in building elasticity cell tissues and osteoblast cells for bone growth. Once these fatty tissues are called upon the mercury is then released into the nervous system where it then travels to the brain where it coats brain neurons severing them from the main brain stem and causing the neurons to cluster or tangle and the damaged neurons cease to function as healthy neurons.

    Here see for yourself what mercury does to the brain…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM7vEPR8Jf4

    Also note that there were no known cases of autism as we know it in it’s current state until thimerosal was first injected into humans back in the 1930’s. The first documented case of autism occurred in 1943 in America, twelve years after a mercury-containing preservative, thimerosal, was added to the whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine. The Dr who first documented it is Leo Kanner and he had never seen a case like this and described it as autism, which was previously a description used for mania, schizophrenia, or dementia patients, this is why there are previously known cases of autism, but it’s not the same as what autism is described as today. In my opinion they give Kanner to much credit, first of all autism and mercury poison symptoms are identical and he should have identified his first case as mercury poisoning instead of calling it autism, and his first three cases of “autism” had a parent who worked with or around ethyl mercury. umm duh Dr. Kanner… Mercury poisoning! In the 1950s, with only four recommended vaccines, the incidence of autism was 1 in 10,000 children. This statistic held at 1 in 10,000 through the 1980’s. Then in ’88 a new surge of shots were mandated and by the early to mid ’90’s the average incidence of autism was 1 in 166. I know, I’ve been studying this for 20 years now, and in 1996 the rate was already at 1 in 166, I know today’s studies don’t comply with mine but I have printed papers to prove this from back in 1996.

    So you see mplo, there are links between vaccines and mercury poisoning/autism and the link I look at is thimerosal.

    You will never convince me that vaccines didn’t cause this in my son and, according to the 1 in 55 rate, millions of other children and adults.

  • Christian American

    I never said people who had polio didn’t die or become permanently paralyzed. I said, in plain english, “the fact that permanent disability effected most with polio is all hype.”, and that most of the permanent disability from polio didn’t come from the wild strain of polio and that it did occur more frequently from polio inoculations at almost triple the rate of wild strains of polio, 42 cases from the wild strain in 2010 and 100 – 180 cases each year from January 2010 to January 2012.

    You think autism hasn’t killed anybody, you have a lot to learn. When my son became autistic he became an entirely different child. I lost the child I had given birth to, it was and still is horrible. Don’t get me wrong, I love my son and would do anything to take this affliction from him, but it was harder on me than watching my Grandmother die and I loved her dearly and was very close to her. This form of loss is constant though, there isn’t a day that goes by that those old memories don’t come flooding in. His first steps, his first words, the first time he noticed the moon and said, “Look mommy, mooooon!” and the excitement he felt as did I. The first time he counted to 10 then 20, watching him learn his colors, watching him put together a 20 piece puzzle that I had never helped him with, the first time he “peeped on the potty”, that’s what he said, “I peepe on potty”, and he did it on his own. The first time he read a sign, actually read it and he had never seen it in his life. So many first, so many memories…………………. GONE! 20 years later and I still see them, still smell his baby smell, still remember what it felt like to hold him, give him hugs, help him learn correct annunciation of words and watching his sense of accomplishment when he pronounced a word correctly…………… It’s all gone, taken away from me and him.

    So as I cry as I write this to you, so much so it’s hard to continue or even breath, don’t you dare tell me these children don’t die. They may not die in terms you’re familiar with, but every parent of a child like mine knows exactly what I’m talking about.

    As far as my friends in the anti-vaccine movement go, I don’t have any. As a matter of fact I don’t have any so called friends other than close family. You see, my son can’t be left alone and there is nobody to care for him besides me. My son will not let anyone help him other than me. So I hardly ever leave my home, not even to check the mail because if he can’t find me he has a meltdown that takes me hours to help him overcome, he is terrified of my absence. No, in case you’re thinking I should leave the house more and show him a little independence, he is not like your “normal” child and what works for your children will not work for him. Go out and buy all of your children identical clothing other than the size and take the clothing home and tell your children to put them on, you’ll see the clothing will not fit each the same or even at all.

    So don’t you sit there and judge me, you do not know me and you could never understand my life.

  • Christian American

    LOL that was funny. If you think what I suggested for dinner was disgusting then why would you ever promote immunization inoculations?

    Here see for yourself…

    http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

  • Christian American

    “Go out and buy all of your children identical clothing other than the size”

    I meant including the size, pardon me I was upset.

  • mplo

    LOL yourself, Christian American! Your credibility on this subject is going further south by the minute!

  • mplo

    Do both you and me a favor, Christian American: Don’t judge ME either. Autism is an innate disorder, and your child was more than likely hardwired together that way before he even came into this world.

  • mplo

    Well, Christian America, you’ll never convince ME about the so-called “link’ between vaccines and autism. Regarding the idea that autism is on the rise…it’s more likely that more and more people have become aware of it, which is why more people are diagnosed. Frankly, Christian American, I trust Dr Kanner far more than I trust you and your friends in the anti-vaccine movement.

    You’re doing PRECISELY what an awful lot of people do when their kid(s) come(s) up with autism, ADD, or some sort of other neurologically-based, innate developmental problem(s); pointing fingers and putting blame on something and/or somebody, when, in fact, these things just simply happen, and no body knows how or why. There are two things that’re known;

    A) Autism, ADD, etc., are biologically-based, innate, neurological develpmental disorders.

    B) There’s absolutely NO link between autism and the vaccines. Vaccines can and do save lives. It sounds as if you’re so busy pointing fingers and blaming other people for what happened to your kid that you failed to get the proper intervention for him.

  • Christian American

    Pointing fingers! This is what you’re going with? Seriously, you have no idea what I have been through therefore have no right to make any accusations towards me.

    Proper intervention, please explain. Back in 1992, show me. I did everything I could just to find out what was going on with my son. I even had him enrolled in IEP classes at age 3 through the public school system. Yet you say I was to busy pointing fingers and blaming others to try to get my son the help he desperately needed. You sir/mam have no clue into my life or what I have or have not done therefore have no right to come at me with your self-righteous attitude towards me.

    Back then I had no clue the shots caused this and that my son was indeed mercury poisoned. The way I found out was through his PCP who wanted to test him for lead poisoning and other heavy toxic metals. The results from that particular test was a count of 125 mercury toxicity, anything above 25 was considered extremely toxic, and the only factors in his life were the shots. I had no idea these immunization shots contained mercury not to mention all the other toxic metals and chemicals in them. I was shocked to discover that people in the healthcare industry, the people I was supposed to trust, big pharma the CDC, the FDA and other government ran organizations would even allow these toxins to be shot into American Citizens let alone infants and toddlers. This is where I began my search. Back before most of the data you have searched was even written and back before internet was so available, I didn’t have internet access back then, my studies were done through newspapers and medical journals and documentaries etc… So I wasn’t influenced by the Jenny McCarthies or Andrew Wakefields in my studies, my studies didn’t even include the internet’s influence with all the sites there are to prove, what I have always known, were not out back then.

    Yes I did get my son in early intervention classes, and I made sure his needs were top priority. Don’t bother with responding to me anymore because you do nothing but sling insults which I have not done to you. I have not made any insulting accusations towards your parenting methods or towards your charactor in my questioning of you. I have pointed out facts and given you links yet you babble on and sling insults, your position in this matter shows me nothing other than you are a big pharma and or governmental mouthpiece and you have nothing credible to add to the conversation. I am done talking with you.

  • mplo

    Well, Christian American…since you’re the one who’s being hysterical and desperate to blame something and/or somebody for your son’s autism, and are being hysterical not only towards me, but towards everything and everybody in general, I’d just as soon not talk to you, either. I find it hard to believe that you weren’t influenced by that Fraudulent Dr. Andrew Wakefield and/or by the hedonistic exhibitionist, Jenny McCarthy. Good-bye, Christian American…we’re finished.

  • let the truth be told

    That is absolutely not true–that’s the “straw man” argument people use to put words in the mouths of the opposition to try to make themselves look better and slander the other side. That view is full of hatred, and unwillingness to acknowledge facts. I am a parent of an autistic child and I do believe MMR was was the factor causing it. I am not opposed to all vaccines, I am opposed to forcing more and more vaccines in a short timeframe without an honest look at the real life cases of vaccine injury and harm being done. The unwillingness to look at facts is the reason parents are being backed into a corner. If it’s “all or nothing,” no willingness of doctors to spread out vaccines so not so many are given at once, the continued deprecation of parents who have witnessed the damage, then parents are forced into a “no vaccines” position by default. The Dr. working with Andrew Wakefield has been exonerated, and Dr. Wakefield is seeking to have his name cleared as well.

  • let the truth be told

    Wakefield is by no means the only doctor seeing damage by the MMR vaccine. See the research by Dr. Theresa Deisher and Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute she founded here specifically regarding MMR & Chicken Pox vaccines being changed to be made from human fetal cell lines (aborted fetal tissue). The 3 largest spikes in autism rates directly correspond to the changes of these vaccines. http://soundchoice.org/research/
    “Have we created the perfect storm for DNA breaks, mutations and regressive autism in our children? In 1979 we started injecting our children with vaccines that are contaminated with aborted fetal DNA fragments and a retrovirus, and autism began to rise. Then we added more jabs with aborted fetal vaccines and thimerosal to vaccines in 1988 and autism rose more. Thimerosal can cause DNA breaks too. Then in 1995 we added way more aborted fetal DNA contaminants with the chickenpox vaccine and autism really rose. And now we have children born to older dads who have sperm with very breakable DNA. The perfect
    storm? – aborted fetal contaminated vaccines plus thimerosal plus older dads.
    DNA repair is a process that our cells use to correct mistakes that are introduced into our genes on a daily basis, simply by the fact that we use our genes to make proteins and to make new cells during cell division. When DNA repair goes awry, genomic instability and disease can
    be the result.

    Gene therapy studies have shown us what can happen when inappropriate insertion of external genetic material occurs in our genes : 4 of 9 boys developed cancer in one of the first gene therapy trials.

    The contaminants found in vaccines and drugs that are manufactured using aborted fetal cell lines present the perfect storm of contaminants to cause genomic instability. Some childhood vaccines contain very high levels of short human fetal DNA fragments, which gene therapy studies
    have taught us are the perfect size to insert into our genes. Some childhood vaccines also contain a retroviral contaminant called HERVK, which is in the same family of retroviruses as the one that caused cancer in 4 of 9 boys.”

  • mplo

    This is such crap that I refuse to buy into it, especially your last few paragraphs.

  • mplo

    I’ll say this, “let the truth be told”: You and your pals on the anti-vaccine movement are about the biggest, most despicable bunch of liars and conniving crooks I’ve ever “met” online. I don’t know why I even bother replying to you people. YOU’RE the ones who are grasping at straws here, not me!

  • Kimberly Gottschalk Lambdin

    I just wanted to chime in… not to argue but just to state I’m a parent of two Autistic boys. After much research and my latest blog that I read from The Thinking Mom’s Revolution by Mountain Mama… How I Gave My Son Autism… Anyway, after reading all the info and stemming off and doing my own research to verify… Not only are vaccines to blame, but there are many other contributors that will vary the severity that it can settle to… AND with the reduction of the other contributors, I’ve seen improvements in my sons’ Autism. HOWEVER, I had two sons with speech at 5 1/2 months – no I kid you not!!! My husband and I expressed to each other, “our son’s a genius!”… 6 month shots and both of them lost speech…. Both sons would eat a variety of foods and after their 12 mos shots they refused most every food and it didn’t improve for my now 19yr old until he was 4yrs. My now 2 1/2yr old still refuses to eat anything but oatmeal and yogurt and PediaSure. Yes…my two sons have a 17yr difference in age….and had the same shots… So, by all means, tell me it’s not the shots! Anyway – just arm yourselves with information. I have a baby girl due Sept 28th…and no needles are touching this baby!!!

  • Jessica Jensen

    So now vaccines don’t contain mercury, so what is the danger now?

  • tv is brainwashing

    The same can be said for vaccine injury and death fool.

  • tv is brainwashing

    well i’m here to tell you that my aunty is living proof that you can survive polio with zero complications MPLO. Once again you are wrong.

  • tv is brainwashing

    Wrong again my aunty is living proof having had polio with no complications and full recovery. It’s easy for shonky paid off medico’s to claim people are born with autism because the the sheer amount of vaccines and toxic ingredients that are pumped into tiny babies before they’re able to speak is easier to palm off. How can you say an observant mother who notices the change in their baby straight after vaccination is wrong. You are the one with no decency advocating that people shoud’nt have a choice about forced medication despite the obvious risks. You want to hear evidence from a neurologist who’s not on the pharma payroll.. YOUTUBE; RUSSELL BLAYLOCK VACCINES

  • tv is brainwashing

    Ha don’t know anything about medicine, this MPLO says Fluvax is made with eggs HHAHAHA. i posted the ingredients for you numbskull i’m sure you received that comment. and are now slightly educated about what’s in it. If you choose to look each ingredient up including the ones that they admit MAY be in the vaccine, you will find that they are toxic to the human body.

  • tv is brainwashing

    Hey MPLO you slave sheep, have you noticed everyone else can post references to verifiable facts and all you can come up with is your own uneducated opinion or crap that is regurgitated from the T.V.

  • tv is brainwashing

    The exact same thing can be said for vaccine use you idiot why do you think a whole separate court system was set up to shell out vaccine injury hush money if they didn’t believe it was the cause. If you actually did any research apart from waching the T.V, you would know that in all cases of SIDS the babies have brain inflammation which is a side effect from vaccines. YOUTUBE: THE GREATER GOOD YOUTUBE: RUSSELL BLAYLOCK VACCINES

  • tv is brainwashing

    Do a little research MPLO the CDC the FDA the FED the CIA the NSA are all legs from the same rock spider you fool. do you really think they give a damn about you, you are a slave just like everyone else, that they believe need to be controlled because we are supposedly too dumb to take care of ourselves. In case you haven’t noticed you are alone nobody agrees with you and your baseless opinions. You probably think your vote counts when election time rolls around for the next CEO of corporate America. You need to remove your veil, blinkers and blindfold, because when you do you see the lies, you see the corruption and when you watch the television, you can see what they are hatching. WAKE UP use your own brain the T.V is a control mechanism don’t you understand. YOUTUBE: STATE OF MIND THE PSYCHOLOGY OF CONTROL from the alexjoneschannel

  • tv is brainwashing

    “Facts on other stuff and my own research” give up, you are a mainstream media puppet! You wanna see how government corruption fulfills agendas. YOUTUBE: THE SECRET OF THE SEVEN SISTERS watch all 4 episodes and you will find out what all wars in the 20th century were really about! YOUTUBE: ASPARTAME SWEET MISERY and you will see how Donald Rumsfeld got the tumor causing artificial sweetener aspartame through the FDA in the Regan era the most tested additive in history and guess what, the only tests that were ever deemed safe were carried out by the makers themselves!

  • Facts for you

    There are only 3 live virus vaccines, 2 of which are approved for adults only and 1 (the flu) is optional for children >2 y/o. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/us-vaccines.pdf

    Thimerosal has been removed from all vaccines except some flu strains. Again, flu vaccines are optional. In fact, as of January 2003, all childhood vaccines containing thimerosal had expired. Autism rates still on the rise despite removing it. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/thimerosal/thimerosal_timeline.html

    The immune response in the body is still the same whether you choose to expose your child to a live chicken pox virus or an attenuated virus (vaccine). Source: Graduate level Immunology classes

  • Ulrika

    im sitting here weeping quietly…my heart aches!!i am grandmother to a 7 year old autistic boy….we are Australian/kiwi…on the other side of the world to you.yet we seem to have the same problems.our boy was also a very bright , intelligent child. as Christian american said, he could say whole sentences, knew his colours, could count to 20, put puzzles together with no effort at all…..i am a nurse from way back,worked with any number of children with multiple health challenges and also with heaps of healthy ones. I can factually say that our boy was extremely normal and healthy…and suddenly after his 2 yo vaccination his whole world stopped.!!
    he was no longer there!!…he had all the tests done like fragile x. etc….no abnormalities found ! My daughter was very healthy during her pregnancy. birth was absolutely normal and wonderful.no abnormalities in placenta etc……
    in the district where they live, there had to be special facilities built for these children…there are dozens of them….all the same age, that have been diagnosed with autism. investigations are continuing into research to see if there were any other environmental happenings during or after these pregnancies or after the birth of these children.
    however i have always and still do feel that all this has come from the chemicals in vaccines. and i also feel that these vaccines are too multiple in one dose and are given too young…when the babies immune system is not developed enough yet. i think back when my own children were immunised with rubella and measles….they were done at the age of 12 years old. at least the body could cope with it better( one of my daughters did contract german measles from the vaccine but with no severe after effects).
    i just want to say…i will not get into any serious discussion about my responce…just had to tell you people that we have the same problems and hopefull one day these Big Pharma will listen and become human again….and caring.

  • D Thomas

    You know nothing about statistical analysis of data if you think Wakefield’s sample group of less than 50 children can hold a candle to Denmark’s sample group of hundreds of thousands.
    Even without considering the money Wakefield stood to make through his patented vaccines should the health sector have fallen for his poorly executed studies one can recognise that Wakefield is FOS.

  • D Thomas

    The conspiracy theorist in me is growing more and more convinced that anti-vaxers are a tool in the New World Order’s project to fight population growth.

  • M. Davids

    Anti-vaxers are not a tool in the New World Order’s project… It’s the ones who is getting vaccinated… By getting vaccinated you have a risk of getting some sort of side effects. Some of the side effects will last your whole life. And therefore making you dependent on medicine and pharmaceutical drugs. Therefore you become dependent on your government and health care so you have to obey the government no matter what or you’ll become sick… And that’s how they’ll control you… Just saying…

  • Malle S

    Why do anybody care if some vaccinates or not vaccinates your children. Do whatever you think is right. If you don’t believe it’s good for your child don’t vaccinate them then. And if you think it’s important for your child to get vaccinated so by all means do it. Whatever… As long as you are confident you made the right choice that’s all that matters…

    My friend vaccinates her child but I will never vaccinate my future children… That’s her choice and it’s my choice…

  • Me

    For years I wondered why my kids and others in their generation had peanut allergies, yet in mine and my mother’s generation it was totally unheard of.
    One day I got into some deep internet searching and voila! The kids born around/in the 90’s had vaccinations using peanut oil as a component/conduit. It was something new that had never been used before.

  • Guest

    The christian American God, will judge you for being a shill.

  • ccdaddy

    I suggest you use Neurologist John Poling, whose Daughter
    received 9 vaccines and ended up in two days with Autism.

    The NVICP awarded her dad Dr. John Poling 20, million dollars.

    After they Dr. Poling and his wife, who is a Nurse & Attorney had a press conference. Where in, they asked publicly the same question other parents have for decades. We want to know why our perfectly normal daughter / son got 9 vaccines and in two days was Autistic?

    The CDC paid them off, and told them they were sealing their Hannah’s case from the public.

  • TV is brainwashing

    I’m not the shill mate read my posts mplo is the shill

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Interesting. A vaccinated 2 year old cousin of my wife just tested positive to a peanut allergy. No previous family history. How does this happen? This isn’t a severe issue, but certainly a life long annoyance. I wonder if any of his slew of vaccines had peanut oil? The cousin got a bad ear infection the day after the 6 month shots (can’t remember what they are…that crap isn’t going in my son). The pediatrician called it a coincidence! What a delusional spell these people are under! But then he of course got antibiotics, and that messes with gut flora, which could be another pathway for the peanut allergy. Either way though vaccines are likely involved. All because of some paranoia for super rare and/or really mild diseases? Bleeding is better medicine in comparison. Pure trash.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Well, it’s important we at least weed out these lying obfuscating bastards, yes? Would your friend vaccinate is she knew of this treachery? Also, if Merck and others are hiding or lying about data, then they are criminals and such be tossed in jail for life.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Uh, it goes the other way, genius. How the hell would anti-vaxers be a tool for the global elite? Bill Gates, the CDC, the WHO are all HUGE vaccine pushers on a global scale. It’s the mindless sheep getting their 79 vaccines that are the tools.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Some flu vaccines still do, fyi. How about life long altered immunity because the body doesn’t learn how to resist disease the way mammals have for 200 million years? How about aluminum adjuvants that are without question a neurotoxin? What about foreign proteins (some human) being injected directly into the body, bypassing all the protective measures we evolved with? Still think there are no dangers?

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Do not let your baby out of your sight at the hospital! Have a birth plan written and made known to the staff. I got asked FIVE times if we were indeed refusing the Hep B vaccine. Yes, yes, effing YES! Be on guard.

    Also, autism does likely have multiple factors, but vaccines are clearly linked. There are THOUSANDS of mothers with the same story as yours. The kids were talking. They get vaccinated. They stop talking. This isn’t a coincidence thousands of times. It’s a CLEAR pattern. Thanks for sharing.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    My agenda is clear. I’m calling out vaccines for the BS they are and they should be tossed in the dustbin of history as a gigantic hoax. Is that clear enough for you? I work for no organization. I do this because I am fighting for the health of our species. Apparently, there are people hired by vaccine makers that get onto these comment sections and perpetuate their lies. Are you one of them, mplo?

  • Evan Eberhardt

    If the immune response is the same, then why does the vaccine ‘wear off’ after 5 years whereas if one gets the virus how nature intended, you get immunity for life? Your graduate level education doesn’t mean anything, btw. In actuality, it probably does little more than inculcate you into a belief system of how the body works when much is still barely understood.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Vaccines saved lives? Prove it? Where is the evidence? The unvaccinated never died in greater numbers than the vaccinated (the opposite is more likely). All the diseases you mention were in steep decline before vaccines were pushed upon the masses for the profit of the evil pieces of garbage that created them.

    http://www.dissolvingillusions.com/graphs/#1

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Just talk to older folks. Everyone got measles, mumps, and rubella and it was hardly a death sentence (try a couple days of rest). Pure hyped up paranoia for big pharma to sell their BS shots.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Spot on. People get really comfortable with their view of reality (which is human nature). It’s hard to unlearn all the lies. Took me the better part of a decade.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Poor India got sold on these BS vaccines (and Bt cotton which is a CRIMINAL fraud) and now they suffer far more than they ever did living their old ‘primitive’ ways. FU modern medicine and all your ‘advancements’.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Prove it. My kid isn’t vaccinated and tens of thousands of other are not. Let’s see if the bodies start piling up. Measles is still fairly common in Europe. Where are the bodies? You make the mistake of presupposing that vaccines are the reason the diseases went away. TAKE NOTE. They were going away BEFORE the vaccines. Smallpox went away because the strain changed to a mild one around 1896. http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/08/27/vaccination-a-mythical-history-by-roman-bystrianyk-and-suzanne-humphries-md/

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Thank you for sharing your story. I am truly sorry to hear the grief you must burden. I have a similar story on my wife’s side. A little more autonomous autistic boy, but unbelievably taxing on the parents nonetheless. I do consider him lost, like you say, even though he is alive. The person he should have been is gone, replaced by almost a machine like human (I am not trying to demean, just stating it how it is). No eye contact. No real understanding of human interaction. It’s nothing short of tragic.

    Just know that I and many others will not stop re-educating others until this vaccine mess gets under control. EVERY argument is on our side. The pro-vaccine history is a myth. There is no real science. There are no real safety studies. There IS ample evidence they pose harm far beyond any claimed benefit. There IS blatant conflict of interest ALL OVER the vaccine makers and recommending bodies. We promote freedom, they promote mandates (force, which is tyranny and should rub every red blooded American the wrong way).

  • Evan Eberhardt

    More myth. Hardwired for autism? Where are the autistic hunter-gatherers? The autistic Amish? Most cultures never even had a word for it before the last couple of decades. Hell, genes aren’t even static. They change in response to environmental influences. You are showing your old comfortable belief set. And it’s wrong.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    There are aborted human embryo cells used in some vaccines (varicella and Hep A, I think). How does that make you feel? Any ethical concerns there? Or is it the old ‘for the greater good’ brush off as usual?

    Trust me lady, all I do is try to prevent this country becoming a third world mess, but there is dogmatic belief that stands in the way every single day and in its righteous blindness will see us there if we don’t start changing this garbage we call medicine. Irresponsible is what has been going on for centuries. I am here to tell that it stops now with minds like mine that are bringing back “First, do no harm.” And that includes vaccines. They are not safe. Period. And they will have NO PART in the future of medicine once medicine actually resembles a healing art once again (which it hasn’t since it was hijacked by materialism obsessed Western thought).

  • TV is brainwashing

    Good one Dick Thomas ya pickle, it’s not hard to tell you’re a troll/shill with a comment like that! if that’s the case why is the NWO’s main propaganda tool (T.V.) demonizing people who refuse to vaccinate?
    VACCINES = Damaged weaker immune system, neurological disorders, SIDS, allergies, DNA manipulation, widespread disease (H.I.V AIDS) the list goes on. when are you brainwashed sheep going to turn off the T.V and inform yourselves of what is really in these vaccines. READ THE INGREDIENTS AND LOOK EACH ONE UP, TOXIC SOUP CASE CLOSED!
    YES mercury/thimerosal was and still is in vaccines but that is not the only toxic ingredient,and not only that, they knew all too well how toxic mercury is and still put it in! The information is out there people you just wont get it from the mainstream media, even though it is freely available the side affect list alone tells you something is up when along with about 50 side affect’s it says you can die but it’s “rare”. They are admitting all of these things can happen to you just ignore the “rare” part.

  • TV is brainwashing

    Just read and research the ingredients list, and side affects, they are telling you how dangerous the crap is, and also that it may or may not even work! And after that research the viruses they say they protect you from and you will realise that there is more risk with vaccination than a pesky fever and rash.

  • Jessica Jensen

    okay, so I understand being skeptical of new vaccines. But at the same time, look at what vaccines have done regarding polio and small pox. The problem with so many people not vaccinating is that it ruins herd immunity. For example, lets say a child cannot be vaccinated for a medical reason, in the past they would likely be alright due to the fact that all other healthy children would be vaccinated therefore, no one is getting sick and therefore no one is passing it on to the one kid who isn’t vaccinated. But when so many children are starting to not be vaccinated, now diseases have people to infect and continue on infecting others. I understand that not every disease is life threatening, but I also don’t think that vaccines are causing all of the stuff they are being blamed for. I think a lot of the autism we see these days has more to do with the crap in our food, red dyes, pesticides, etc. Also I think that perhaps more people in the past did have autism, but instead were just pushed aside as being stupid, or just “not quite right” a hundred years ago, a person who didn’t talk much, didn’t look you in the eye, was good with animals and kept to themselves would get a job as a farmhand or something and live their life. Now a days in our culture, these things are more apparent as we move to a social culture.

  • Kimberly Gottschalk Lambdin

    Made it thru delivery…no problems w/ our refusing vaccines and w/ the birthing plan!!! Beautiful baby girl…10 lbs 21.25 in!!! She is doing excellent!!!!

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Congratulations!

  • Christian American

    Want a starting place to begin conducting your studies into weather or not to vaccinate? This is the spot. http://rense.com/general87/indu.htm Read it, study it, go to links provided and see what’s there. Ask the “good people” at the CDC what they have to say about it and see if you get a non-evasive direct answer or if they prevaricate in their response.

    The CDC “recommends” that all newborns receive the Hep B vaccine. Go to their website and look at the list of reasons why. Determine for yourself weather or not your innocent newborn baby, who looks solely onto you for all of his or her needs with complete trust in you, needs this shot. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/hepb/in-short-adult.htm#who

    Witch Doctors, also known in Europe during the 1800’s as the cunning man, were and still are common practice around the globe and looked upon as healers. With ingredients such as deer antlers, snakes, snake blood and bile contained from the snakes bladder, leeches, goats blood, well you get the point, They can contain literally thousands of different ingredients from tree bark to toxic venom. For centuries this practice was acknowledged to protect people against believed curses that caused the same exact symptoms as certain viral or bacterial infections. Take a look at the ingredients listed directly at the CDC site in today’s vaccines and decide for yourself weather or not “Voodoo Medicine” is still in common practice today. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

    This is probably the most important decision you’ll ever make for your child so I am asking you to please never let anyone else, I don’t care what color their lab coat is, make this decision for you and never make an uneducated decision for your children’s or your life when applying toxins to yourself or your children. Remember you are the one who lives with the consequences, and if those consequences involve your child you alone are left to help them and watch them suffer. Research, Research, Research!!!

  • Kimberly Gottschalk Lambdin

    Thanks! We ran into issues when I told them I needed to leave after 24hrs of having my C-section. They, of course, thought I was crazy. But my 2yr old Autistic son and my 19yr old Downs/Autistic son really needed me at home. Both were having some issues with me being in the hospital. Multiple nurses and 2 docs tried telling me that the baby wasn’t ready and one doc told me that the baby (all of a sudden) had a heart murmur. I pressed on… and the head pediatrician came in, checked her out and said she was cleared to leave. I asked her about the heart murmur… She looked at me like I was crazy. She said, “I don’t see any notation that she has a murmur in her chart. And I don’t hear anything. She does not have a heart murmur.” I just chuckled and shook my head. Oh the antics of the medical world. So LoraMay was cleared to go home and when I previously asked the OB doc, he said that I would be fine but he knew the baby wouldn’t be cleared. So when he found out the baby was cleared he changed his tune and said I was NOT cleared. I then signed all the AMA paperwork and we were home by 4pm. I was able to sleep at home AND I recovered so quickly… I wish I’d have left early with my other 3 C-sections! I did run into a major issue, however – 12 days later I ended up with a fever of 105 that we could only get down to 102.2 ourselves. The internal incision on my uterus felt like it was seared open… and ended up with cellulitis (sp?) across my entire abdomen from hip to hip. My external incision was mostly healed AND absolutely no pain or inflammation at the site. I am baffled at how I ended up with this terrible infection as I’ve never been a sickly person AND have always been a very CLEAN one at that. Docs couldn’t explain it…so I ended up in the hospital on 3 antibiotics. OMG the pain was like a searing fire across from hip to hip and I was purple. It was quite the site. The infectious disease doc came in- tell me THAT doesn’t make you ill to even think about! He explained how my immune system was compromised due to surgery and I was just lucky to end up with a bacterial infection..ha! He wanted me to remain in the hospital for 7-10 days but THAT was not an option so he worked a deal out that I go for daily infusions of antibiotic (breastfeeding safe) at an out-patient clinic for 10 days. Then I go on oral antibiotics from there… Unless I don’t improve majorly…then I get to go back to the hospital. Apparently this infection had the potential to make me septic. It came on and progressed so rapidly that it had the doc very concerned… the pain started at about noon and by 9pm my abdomen was purple and looked like I was bleeding internally. So, home now and enjoying my babies!!! We don’t do “simple” in this house!!! :-)

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Are you on a quality probiotic? Antibiotics can really mess up normal gut flora.

  • Kimberly Gottschalk Lambdin

    no i’m not but now that you mention it… i will get one asap. looks like i’ll be on antibiotics for another two weeks. this infection is really bad…i’ve never been sick like this. i’m taking my prenatal and some herbs to help my breastmilk. i’m 42 and apparently my body isn’t wanting to make the milk like it did 16 yrs ago. :-) We’re doing good now tho…especially, with breastfeeding two kids…the baby and my 2yr old.

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    A voice of reason, good for you!

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    Because it’s not just about YOUR kids, it’s also about the children they run into that are too young to vaccinate that could get very sick or die because you decided that getting to choose without really knowing the science is worth the risk. This isn’t about you getting to make a choice and it doesn’t matter what you “believe”, only what you know, this is science, not religion. Would you tell parents to not put their kids in car seats or seatbelts because once in a blue moon a few malfunctioned or were defective? Life has risks, nothing is 100%, to demand ANYTHING be 100% safe 100% of the time is naive. You are intentionally using people’s fears to make them doubt their doctors with no scientifically acceptable evidence that what you claim is even remotely accurate. Unless you have peer-reviewed hard evidence from studies published by respected scientists that consistently produce the same result of vaccines doing more harm than good, and not relying on anecdotal “evidence” and debunked claims, telling people otherwise is endangering their children and you should be charged with endangerment. This is completely irresponsible and I hope parents aren’t taken in by your pseudoscience.

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    Ok, which vaccines carry exactly what risks, and what are the percentages on said risks? Do you even HAVE any evidence beyond the anecdotal and studies and/or doctors that have been debunked by the scientific community? And wouldn’t they make more money letting you catch the diseases and treating them over a longer period of time than immunizing you so you don’t get them at all? And if the answer is “No, the diseases would kill you.” then maybe you could tell me what it is you’re against? Preventing massive epidemics from killing scores of people by using medicines with extremely low chances of side effects and no evidence whatsoever, beyond anecdotes preaching that correlation MUST mean causation, that it is in ANY way linked to autism outside of a conspiracy theorist’s wet dreams?

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    Ok, then who are YOU shilling for? The homeopathy movement selling herbs at an insane markup to scared and confused people? Would you mind citing the peer-reviewed, tested and proven published studies your information must come from, and the well-respected medical journals they can be found in?

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    Look, if you want reliable info, go to medical journals, peer-reviewed scientific journals, the AMA, the CDC, the WHO and look up the information, they freely give that information and cite sources. Here you will find people citing discredited doctors, debunked studies and blogs instead.

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    Then show some concrete evidence of your claims, something aside from debunked studies and anecdotal stories! Seriously, how frakking unreasonable a request is that? Other anti-vax sites and blogs and stories posted with no verifiable evidence, nor citation of peer-reviewed studies published in accepted medical or scientific journals that can attest to such conclusions, as to their veracity do NOT count.

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    And 50 years ago cars were less safe too, as were many things.

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    I’d also like to know how much time is in “ample time” , haven’t we also had ample time to colonize other planets?

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    Yes, but those are facts, and they don’t let you pretend to be smarter than doctors and other scientists…

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    I see, when someone makes an inconvenient argument and cites evidence, they’re a shill. You have no evidence and keep spreading your opinions as if you did. What does that make YOU?

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    Yes, but not proven, unlike what mplo said.

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    Oh, the scientific community now accepts his theories despite the fraud he committed to get them, do you have any citation of where they published that?

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    My mother had polio, she got it years before Salk found the vaccine. She nearly died, she can’t walk, she has developed breathing problems later in life from having had it, she has had serious muscle weakness in her arms her entire life. And yet she considers herself lucky for not having died like so many did. She has told me how glad she is that we were vaccinated and that we are protected. Yes, every vaccine has a small degree of risk, as does every medicine, as does every LIFE! NOTHING in life is zero risk, to demand otherwise is naive.

  • Rebecca Anne Inkster

    Polio, you frakkin’ moron, before the vaccine there was an epidemic, afterwards the infection rate was in freefall. You don’t get to rewrite history to suit your propaganda!

  • TV is brainwashing

    I’m not shilling, unlike you obviously. I don’t tell people not to look anywhere and to “only look at this information” like…well… YOU!!! You know what’s better to search is what the manufacturers say and research the ingredients list and what it “may contain” list, and find out what trials it went through, if it was fast tracked and what the actual process for creating the vaccine’s virus. It’s enough to make you sick, literally!

  • ponerology

    And the presumption is that the auto manufacturers didn’t purposefully want people harmed, maimed or killed by their product. With the corporatist vaccine makers and with those who protect them, among them the United Nations and their thousands of think tanks, we have no such presumption, especially given the years of obvious harm caused and when the supposed saviors (Sabine, Salk,) KNEW they were injecting viral cells from monkeys that did nothing other than cause cancer.

    If you truly don’t understand my point (above) then I’m sorry for you. If you remain willfully ignorant, then I’m not sorry for you.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    And that’s exactly it. Parents of injured kids get the leprosy treatment from the establishment. I don’t give a crap that it’s anecdotal evidence. When it happens thousands of times that displays a clear pattern. Only these ‘science’ dogmatists continually deny what is right in front of them. If nothing else, vaccines are clearly LINKED to brain disorders in some manner. Some of us hear you, so know that you are not alone in this battle. Western medicine has essentially been a cult for centuries that only listens to it’s own arrogant nonsense and treats any dissent as heresy. The bulk of their ‘science’ is skewed for profit and keeping the status quo, which is man living in a sickened and dependent state of their toxic compounds and ‘treatments’. Trust none of it.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Actually, the vaccines pushers are the ones who re-wrote history. Honest researchers have compiled the data and it is free for you to examine. You folks can’t have it both ways. NO REAL HARD SCIENCE was ever done with vaccines yet you then claim they saved us all from polio, smallpox, etc. How do you know? Oh, because the rates started dropping? Well, what if they were dropping BEFORE the vaccines? What happens to your correlation then? Not so solid perhaps? Oh, but your ma got polio so therefore the vaccines worked? Not exactly rock solid evidence. What was your mom’s health like? What else was happening in society at the time? Why didn’t everyone get polio? How come MOST who did suffered no long term damage? Why did the diagnosing criteria change? You see, that’s called variables in the statistical world and when you have those your claims weaken. Vaccines NEVER controlled for variables for their entire history. That means they are not hard science. End of discussion. Game over. Whatever net benefit they provided, if any, cannot be fleshed out from other factors in play. And it’s not like much changed in society over the last couple centuries, right? So, before you go off calling people morons, just realize they might have college education and YEARS of research beyond your brainwashed mainstream sanctioned ignorance. Look through these graphs and tell me what you start to notice. http://www.dissolvingillusions.com/graphs/

  • Evan Eberhardt

    Herd immunity is just a hypothesis. It makes sense, but no concrete evidence exists. Unfortunately, since vaccines do not behave like true illness, the claims about it are simply speculation, and there is adequate contrary evidence depending on the pathogen (pertussis outbreaks should NEVER happen at the level of vaccination, 99%, yet there they are, with both unvaxed and vaccinated kids getting the illness. How do we explain it?).

    I agree vaccines are not acting alone as many things have changed to affect kids health (lack of healthy fat in the diet of mothers and kids is of particular concern, as well as an excess of refined carbs). However, with many kids in a compromised state these days, vaccines very well could be a catalyst for brain injury, especially with the CDC recommending dozens more shots than in the past.

    Your final point is incorrect. Sure, some brain illness was missed in the past but beyond any doubt there is an EXPLOSION of autism and it began in the past couple of decades. Not even big pharma tries to pass this one off any longer. Don’t try to dismiss the issue. We have a VERY REAL crisis on our hands and one that is escalating. And for anyone who hasn’t spent time with severely autistic kids, trust me, you would rather face every single illness vaccines supposedly prevent than become one of these unfortunate souls. The burden on society from these poor kids is already staggering and it’s going to get a lot worse if we don’t figure out what the hell is going on.

  • TV is brainwashing

    oh bullshit you freakin liar! Are you trying to tell us that there aren’t vaccine injury courts that pay out money to victims with a gag order? Are you trying to say that the vaccine companies are lying about the admitted dangers on their own vaccine information sheets? Give up you idiot, ya can’t beat facts with your pharmaceutical and media propaganda! Jab yourself full of toxic chemicals, metals viruses and animal DNA all you like but don’t hate on the smart educated people who don’t rely on television for their education

  • NaturalMamaNZ

    I wouldn’t be so sure vaccines have ‘saved’ us. I can agree a few certain kinds of vaccines (at an appropriate age – not babies!, in those who have been tested for allergies to all vaccine ingredients, and tested for gene mutations that may make them more susceptible vax injury) may be helpful, but the amount we are giving today seems to be weakening children’s immune systems because they are not experiencing enough natural infection (a lot of studies back this up). Check out these graph’s (all data sourced from CDC Wonder), in particular the rise in deaths due to infection and parasites (the last graph). While incidence of vaccine preventable diseases have declined, over all the rate of death due to infection is much worse than it was in the 1960’s:
    http://naturalmamanz.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/disease-increases-has-wests-health.html

  • Dr. Mom

    It actually is just about my kid!
    Your antagonistic lie filled statistics and tactic of shaming as if you had authority, don’t tool yourself!
    I am absolutely 100% positives! without any doubt! that by nit vaccinating my children!they will NOT have any vaccine induced harm.
    The sickliest bunch we currently pass though church or the grocery store are vaccinated.
    The outbreaks of this and that have something in common, they were 90% or better all vaccinated.
    Charged with endangerment…that is so nazistic. I think you should be arrested for putting known neurotoxins directly into your child.
    Was up and tend to your own pack, lave the rest alone.
    Constitutionally it’s none, and I mean NONE of your business!
    V cockiness damage, destroy and kill.
    Educate before you vaccinate
    the Greater Good
    NVIC

  • guest

    ‘Unless you have peer-reviewed hard evidence from studies published by
    respected scientists that consistently produce the same result of
    vaccines doing more harm than good’……. this is in existence… do some reading.

  • guest

    Kimberly, I am so sorry for what happened to you! I believe My 4 children were all born at home and received no shots ever. they were all saying many words by 6 months, and my eldest started saying words at 3 months and complete full sentences with an unfathomable vocab by 18 months. My last child could humm in tune when she was about 2 months old. They were all RUNNING around by 10 months and ate all foods. My children are all bright, happy, healthy and normal. I believe that this is what the status quo would be if vaccinations were totally taken out of the equation. I would imagine that this is why the ‘old masters’ were so phenomenal and why we just don’t see much of that kind of phenomenal childhood development any more. I have a theory that the vaccines ‘switch off’ some sort of ’emotional receptors’ in the brain, basically cutting off a very effective learning tool for babies and young children – assimilation of information through positive and physical (chemical) emotive reinforcement. I was often mocked and teased by family when I reported the ‘amazing’ milestones my children reached so very early. I learned to just keep it to myself because it just sounded like I was boasting and making up stories. At first I thought my eldest was very special, then later on, that I had had another special child. I was divorced and remarried and years later had another two ‘very special’ children…. lol… by this time I had put it down to there being no harmful chemicals in their brain tissue. I have reason to believe that my 3rd child received a ‘sneaked in vaccine’ by well meaning family, as she experienced some regression and illness, needing hospitalization at one point – it was consistent with vaccine side effects. I have no proof and did what I could at the time to mitigate the effects. She is physically ‘less healthy’ of my bunch, but by any other standard, a very healthy child. I might add here, that my first child was able to lift her own head and neck moments after her birth. she was able to make eye contact and crawl in some fashion towards the breast. she was exceptionally strong and seemed also aware of her own limbs within the first week – which is something that normally only happens months later. This all came to an abrupt end when she received the Oral Polio Vaccine and became very ill. She then only learned to sit unsupported at 6 months, which seemed slow for her, given the first 2 months of such advanced control over her own physicality. she is 17 now, and an A student taking 3 languages, all the sciences, maths and geography. she is also on the student council and an ace at softball and horse riding. my son skipped 2 grades and played softball for our province and coached little league at the age of 14. We have experienced no sibling rivalry and the kids get on with others of any age. My kids never had terrible 2’s or 4’s and the older one’s teenage years have been uneventful according to what I hear from other moms with teens. Essentially, all the destructive emotional stuff that is considered part of ‘normal’ development just never happened to us. Worse than what the vaccines do to our bodies… they seem to make us apathetic to life and only exciting personal gratification seems to raise our equilibrium from time to time. – this to me is the great danger – a world full of people who could care less about their fellow man.

  • guest

    tried to say ‘ I believe you ‘ :)

  • Is this the same Rep. Dan Burton who tried his hardest to throw Clinton under the bus, and was later found to have had an affair himself, the same Dan Burton who, after an investigation by the FBI, was found to have recieved illegal campaign contributions from Pakistan? Not the best lead in to represent your argument. I’ll make you a deal, you show me one, JUST ONE Scientifically accepted PEER REVIEWED medical study that shows any connection (one that hasn’t already, been discredited) and I’ll heed your warning. The other alternative is your continued cognitive dissonnance. It will go the way these argument always do – the conspiracy theory. Everyone is in on it. For shyte sake, how about some critical thinking skills, some Socratic Method maybe?

  • Dr. Mom

    http://therefurbishedrogue.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-list-of-peer-reviewed-vaccine-research/
    Broken record, sounds like a parrot…
    Make no mistake…I would never vax my kid because if some annoying, whiny misinformed uneducated, holier than thou come along talking to me like I was an imbecile.
    It’s called health freedom, constitutional rights, herd immunity us total BS!
    Check on the list of pub med peer reviewed you requested. Don’t bother coming back to tell me not good enough…with you people…nothing is good enough…I already chose this decision…I will never vaccinate, I will never capitulate!
    Stop being a bully…
    I’ll worry about my child you worry about your!

  • Lucy Hill

    Big Pharma are totally busted!! Vaccines are definitely causing Autism, amazing article!!

  • Lucy Hill

    Small Pox was eradicated through quarantine and Polio was renamed so as it didn’t show up on statistics, falsely making the vaccine appear a success. In fact today in 2014 the main source of Polio in the world is known to be the Polio vaccine, that’s even admitted by the WHO.

  • Lucy Hill

    The pharmaceuticals want us to believe that magically the body will only create antibodies to the virus part of the vaccine, and somehow know not to create antibodies to all the other junk contained in the vaccine. Merck vaccines contain Peanut oil, that is where the Peanut Allergies are coming through, people have essentially been immunized against Peanuts so Peanuts will trigger an immune response. In Israel they use Sesame oil in vaccines, so people have Sesame allergies there instead of Peanut. When Gluten-containing vaccines first appeared in Sweden suddenly there was an epidemic of Gluten intolerance. All the autoimmune diseases too, they can be triggered by vaccines, especially vaccines which contain Aborted Fetus, as we then create antibodies to specific cells of the Aborted Fetus, these antibodies can then be the cause of serious autoimmune diseases.

  • Lucy Hill

    Babies are not able to make an informed choice, Big Pharma don’t want parents making an informed choice, hence it’s important for the other side of the debate to make their case.

  • Lucy Hill

    I am so pleased that there were people on the Internet who educated me on the dangers of vaccines, otherwise I’d still be naive and propagandized.

  • Lucy Hill

    The majority of independent high quality studies show the dangers of vaccination. Educate before you vaccinate!

    Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0008382

    “Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host’s immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system’s self-organized criticality.”

  • Lucy Hill

    In China they would be executed, in the US the corporation gets fined and that’s it. These people are murderers, they need to be jailed!

  • Lucy Hill

    HiB vaccine causes Diabetes Type 1, DPT vaccine Asthma, Flu vaccine Alzheimer’s, MMR Autism just to name a few off the top of my head.

  • Lucy Hill

    They do still contain Mercury, but it’s the Aluminum which is the bigger worry. Don’t forget that Merck once injected us with Arsenic, eventually the truth came out about that, but they’re still up to their old tricks poisoning us for profit. They want you damaged and on drugs for life, for them that represents career success and sky-high profits.

  • Lucy Hill

    Antibiotics wipe out your immune system for a year, that’s why Big Pharma love pushing them

  • Sal

    Jessica: ” For example, lets say a child cannot be vaccinated for a medical
    reason, in the past they would likely be alright due to the fact that
    all other healthy children would be vaccinated therefore, no one is
    getting sick and therefore no one is passing it on to the one kid who
    isn’t vaccinated.”
    Two questions: 1) If “no-one” in this scientific utopia is getting sick, why would anyone get sick?? 2) The “herd-immunity” hypothesis has been shown false in fully vaccinated populations, vaccination does not confer immunity, scientifically vaccination cannot produce the kind of protection that natural immunity achieves, worse still vaccination can cause permanent damage to the immune system. You need to study the literature on this.

  • anonymous

    Do you guys even know what a vaccine is? There is no possible way a vaccination could cause autism. If a virus can’t cause autism, then neither can a vaccine. The only reason anyone thinks that they would is because autism and other asd’s start showing around the same time as children get vaccinated. Ever wonder why children who don’t get vaccinated still can have autism? Autism was around way before vaccines, it was just called demon possession.

  • a person

    Small pox was eradicated due to a man spreading puss on people. No really, the first ever vaccine. Go watch some sci show on youtube.

  • Lucy Hill

    It’s no secret that Small Pox was eradicated through quarantine. Read up on it yourself like I did

  • Sara

    I don’t think any ever said the ONLY way to get autism. It comes from a weekend immune system & all the toxins going into the immune system. Did you ever investigate what goes into the vaccine as a binder??? I think you should before you comment again. Enough said!

  • TV is brainwashing

    What have you got to say now ya pickle????? CDC = fraudulent studies into vaccine safety
    http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/the-big-one-cdc-whistleblower-goes-public-now/

  • Lou

    Autism mystery Solved: CDC is guilty as charged for decades.

    “William W Thompson, PhD, Senior Scientist, National Center of Birth Defects and Development Disabilities, has stepped forward and admitted the 2004 paper [which found no link between the MMR vaccine and autism] was a fraud. This is SO POSITIVE please let there be 500 health professionals more as brave.

    “Dr. Thompson has admitted the 340% increase [in autism] in boys receiving the MMR vaccine ‘on time’ as opposed to delayed was buried by himself, Dr. DeStefano, Dr. Bhasin, Dr. Yeargin-Allsopp, and Dr. Boyle [all co-authors of the 2004 paper]…” CDC LIES in most Egregious Manner, Note “Doctor” Boyle heads a Department (National Center of Birth Defects and Development Disabilities) intended to expose the roots of childhood disease, SIC! She DELIBERATELY helped cover up one of the greatest “health mysteries” of our lifetime. Is there even a place in HELL for such a person?

    “My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998. I regret that my
    coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at
    increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.” The CDC Lies, Mainstream Media Stays Quiet and Our Children Suffer,
    Note folks if you MUST shove this poison into your innocent children PLEASE wait
    until they are over the age of 4, better yet 104. The MMR is now a thoroughly
    PROVEN toxic brew that does NOTHING to improve your child’s health and PROMOTES AUTISM and god knows what else that is slowly killing your child. Is this
    too strong? NO!

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_mmr.htm

  • Lou

    Do “Vaccines” Cause Autism?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjriieOUc_w&list=UUFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw&index=64

    Please pass this powerful video around; who knows it may even get to the CDC..

  • Lou

    Natural herd immunity does exist and is a demonstrated good thing. “Vaccination” since it confers NO true immunity cannot confer herd immunity.

    “Vaccination” does NOT confer Herd Immunity

    Vaccination is not Immunization

    “The original basis for herd immunity had nothing to do with vaccines. When sufficiently high numbers of people contracted the
    wild form of the disease and secured lifelong natural immunity, statisticians observed a protective effect in the community as described above. Policymakers eager to promote vaccines sought ammunition to increase vaccine uptake. Researchers assumed that vaccine-induced immunity would operate in the same manner as natural immunity and presumed that vaccines therefore would
    also create herd immunity. I am not a scientist but I know that
    vaccine-induced immunity is not remotely the same thing as natural immunity. Natural immunity is the gold standard. Vaccine-induced immunity is qualitatively different; for starters, vaccines do not always work and their protection wanes over time.” Louise Kuo Habakus

    “The problem is that there is in fact such a thing as natural herd immunity. But what’s they’ve done is they’ve taken this natural
    phenomenon and assume that vaccines will work the same way. However, they do not, and the science clearly shows that there’s a big difference between naturally arising herd immunity and vaccine-induced herd immunity.” Doctor Joseph Mercola MD

    “The original concept of herd immunity is that when a population experiences the natural disease… natural immunity would be
    achieved – a robust, qualitatively superior natural herd immunity within the population, which would then protect other people from getting the disease in other age groups. It’s the way infectious diseases work…” Barbara explains. But the vaccinologists have adopted this idea of vaccine induced herd immunity. The problem with it is that all vaccines only confer temporary protection… Pertussis vaccine is one the best examples… Pertussis vaccines have been used for about 50 to 60 years, and the organism has started to evolve to become vaccine resistant. I think this is not
    something that’s really understood generally by the public: Vaccines do not confer the same type of immunity that natural exposure to the disease does.” Barbara Loe Fisher, President of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC)

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_natural_immunity.htm

  • Chuck

    so, will you explain to the mother of children with polio, why their children are suffering from a disease that should have been wiped out?

    we could have made polio extinct.

    but just enough ppl didnt vaccinate, and now the disease is back. millions will be paralyzed and deformed by the disease in the next 50 years.

  • AutismDad

    No lets explain to parents why their normal healthy child was vaccinated regressed and was mentally obliterated

  • AutismDad

    Wrong liar.

  • AutismDad

    The 90’s was a very nasty decade. Autism sky rocketed.

  • guest

    Good grief.
    In 1976, Dr Jonas Salk, creator of the killed-virus vaccine used in the 1950’s, testified that the live-virus vaccine (used almost exclusively in the U.S. from the early 1960’s to 2000) was the “principal if not sole cause” of all reported polio cases in the U.S. since 1961 (Washington Post,September 24,1976). The virus remains in the throat for one to two weeks and in the feces for up to two months. Thus, vaccine recipients are at risk, and can potentially spread the disease, as long as fecal excretion of the virus continues ( American Academy of Pediatrics, Report of the Committee on Infectious Diseases:1986(Elk Grove Village, Illinois:
    AAP):284–5.

    In February 1992 the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published an admission that the live-virus vaccine had become the dominant cause of polio in the United States (Strebel PM., et al. Epidemiology of poliomyletis in U.S. n 1992, one decade after the last reported case of indigenous wild virus associated disease, Clinical Infectious Diseases CDC, February 1992:568–79). In fact, according to CDC figures, every case of polio in the U.S. since 1979 was caused by the oral polio vaccine (CDC reference above) Authorities claim the vaccine was responsible for about eight cases of polio every year (Institute of Medicine. An evaluation of poliomyelitis vaccine policy options.IOM Publication 88-04(Washington DC: National Academy of Sciences,1988). However, an independent study that analyzed the government’s own vaccine database during a recent period of less than five years uncovered 13,641 reports of adverse events following use of the oral polio vaccine. These reports included 6,364 emergency room visits and 540 deaths (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), Rockville, MD. & IOS. The Polio vaccine coverup COPV Vaccine Report: Document #14. http://www.ios(dot)com/~w1066/poliov6.html)
    Public outrage at these tragedies became the impetus for removing the oral polio vaccine from immunization schedules (Strebel PM., et al. Epidemiology ofpoliomyletis in U.S. one decade after the last reported case of indigenous wild virus associated disease, Clinical Infectious Diseases CDC, February 1992:568–79)