HPV Vaccines Can Kill And They Do!

HPV vaccines have been documented to harm young women.
HPV vaccines have been documented to harm young women.

HPV vaccines have harmed young women.

On every packet of cigarettes sold, there is a warning, Smoking Kills, to deter people from damaging their health by smoking. Governments around the world decided to put this warning on every packet of cigarettes due to the high death rate caused by the toxic effects of nicotine and other additives.

It is a great pity that these governments do not apply the same forward-thinking standards to HPV vaccines and the information sheets offered to parents. Based on the evidence, these vaccines should also carry a government-issued heath warning, stating HPV Vaccines Can Kill.

The latest statistics published on the United States VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) in June 2013 show a staggering 140 lives have been lost due to the HPV Vaccine.

Tens of Thousands of Adverse Reactions, or Hundreds of Thousands?

The VAERS statistics show that HPV vaccinations have caused the following adverse reactions in the US:

  • Deaths: 140
  • Disabled: 952
  • Did not recover: 6,032
  • Abnormal pap smear: 531
  • Cervical dysplasia: 214
  • Cervical cancer: 64
  • Life-threatening: 562
  • ER visit: 10,557
  • Hospitalized: 3,065
  • Extended hospital stay: 234
  • Serious: 4,091
  • Adverse events: 30,352

These figures were provided by Leslie Carol Botha on July 15, 2013, on her insightful website Holy Hormones Journal. She wrote:

“It is estimated that only 1 to 10% of the HPV vaccine-injured are reporting.  So start adding zeros on to the reports of 140 deaths.  And then ask yourself – are the HPV vaccines deadly?  For 140 families they are.  And that’s just what is being reported.” [1]

If she is correct, HPV vaccines may have potentially injured over three hundred thousand people in the USA in just seven years, which I am sure you will agree is a colossal number of casualties. Despite this estimate, no official action of any kind against the HPV vaccine has been taken. Why not?

If any other product caused this number of casualties, there would be a public outcry demanding that governments ban the product. Instead, the world stays silent and the damage continues.

If these figures were not bad enough, the two pharmaceutical companies responsible for manufacturing these vaccines, Merck (Gardasil) and GlaxoSmithKline (Cervarix), along with governments worldwide, are now looking for a new age group to vaccinate with these lethal vaccines – newborn babies.

Will Newborns Be the Next Victims?

On August 1, 2013, an article by Heidi Stevenson sent shock waves around the world when she announced:

“If you can push the most dangerous vaccines in use today on teen and pre-teen girls, and later on boys of the same age, without any proof that they work, then why not give them to newborn infants—plus another ‘booster’ later on? That appears to be planned for Gardasil and Cervarix, along with a slick new marketing program, thanks to the vaccine-industrial complex.” [2]

In Ms. Stevenson’s well-written and well-referenced article, she cites a paper titled Reframing Cervical Cancer Prevention: Expanding the Field Towards Prevention of Human Papillomavirus Infections and Related Diseases, written by FX Bosch et al. Ms. Stevenson points out that the authors did not even consider the fact that the two HPV vaccines currently in use cause some of the worst and most common adverse reactions of any vaccines. She also revealed that the paper was financed by major government agencies. These include the European Commission and Institute of Health “Carlos III” of the Spanish government.

The abstract of the paper by Bosch et al., which can be found on PubMed [3], suggests that the hepatitis B vaccination program offers a good model to introduce the HPV vaccine to infants. The authors state that newborn and infant immunization of the hepatitis B vaccine achieves a rapid reduction in the prevalence of the HBV carrier rates in immunized cohorts of children, reducing liver cirrhosis and liver cancer decades later.

It appears that these authors are actually suggesting that parents have their newborn babies vaccinated with not just one, but two vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases. Babies do not catch sexually transmitted diseases unless the mother has them, so why not screen the mother?

Why are Babies Given STD Vaccines?

Dr. Judith Reisman believes that she has the answer, which she presents in her paper STD Vaccinations Aid Global Child Sex Traffic? Does Mandating Pediatric Hep B [and HPV] Vaccinations Aid the Global Child Sex Traffic? She wrote:

“Research by Risbud et al. in Sexually Transmitted Infections in 1992 and a steady stream of studies confirm that Hepatitis B is a venereal disease. ‘[C]ommercial sex work and history of a genital ulcers were independently associated with [Hep B] underscor[ing] the need to provide HBV vaccine to commercial sex workers and their clients.’

Newborn babies are hardly ‘sex workers’ or their ‘clients.’ Yet, in 1991 USA hospitals (covertly—as without public debate or discussion) mandated hepatitis B vaccinations of neonates born to normal, married, uninfected mothers.” [4] (emphasis added)

Her paper is extremely disturbing, but in my opinion, well worth considering, because the pharmaceutical industries and governments must have a good reason to even consider giving two vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases to babies at birth. After all, if governments insist on vaccinating newborn babies with toxic vaccines, then wouldn’t giving newborn babies the MMR or the DPT vaccinations be more beneficial, as babies are more likely to come into contact with measles or tetanus than an STD?

So, is the sex trafficking of children the reason that governments are now considering vaccinating newborns with the HPV vaccine or is the real reason population control?

Will You Risk Your Child’s Fertility for This Vaccine?

Dr. Deirdre Little has recently linked the Gardasil vaccine to a sixteen year-old patient under her care entering an early menopause. Her report states that before the sixteen year-old received the Gardasil vaccine during the fall of 2008, her menstrual cycle was perfectly normal. However, by January 2009, her cycle had become irregular, and over the course of the next two years, her menses (bleeds) had become increasingly irregular. By 2011, she had ceased menstruating altogether. Later examinations of the girl confirmed that her ovaries had ceased producing eggs. [5, 6]

Dr. Little is not alone in her concerns.

The Japanese government has become so concerned about the HPV vaccine causing adverse reactions that they have decided to withdraw their support for the HPV vaccine schedule altogether. Their decision came after they received approximately 2000 reports from women and girls suffering severe adverse reactions after receiving HPV vaccinations, including long-term pain, numbness, paralysis and infertility. [7]

If all this was not worrying enough, one mother, Ms. Linda Stewart, told Sane Vax how the HPV vaccine Cervarix destroyed her daughter’s life completely. She wrote:

“Shannon basically spent the summer of 2011 in her room reading a book or sleeping, shutting herself off from the rest of the world. She had never had a problem with her menstrual cycle before, but her periods stopped in April. Her menstrual cycle did not resume until November, when it came back with a vengeance. In the end, she had to be put on medication to help control the heavy flow. Even so, it took five months for her cycle to return to normal. So far she has had no further problems in this area.

By this time Shannon was in such pain she would not participate in PE at school (I must add that the PE teacher was very understanding). I then returned to the GP who referred her for another course of physiotherapy, despite the lack of success with the first round.” [8]

This is just one example of the many personal stories that can be found on the Internet, and yet nothing has been done to protect this from happening to others. In comparison, in the USA, in 2009 Maclaren recalled one million strollers after twelve children had fingers amputated by their pushchairs’ folding mechanism. [9]

Conclusion

Just from the evidence that I have provided, HPV vaccines clearly are not safe, and yet no government to date has ever banned these vaccines. Other products have been banned for far less dangers, so why is a vaccine that has killed 140 women and children and maimed thousands of others been allowed to stay on the market?

To offer the HPV vaccine to newborn babies along with the hepatitis B vaccine is pure evil. Many babies are born prematurely and we have to ask ourselves what the impact of these two highly dangerous and toxic vaccines given at the same time will be. We also need to question why newborn babies need to have two vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases. Surely these are diseases that babies are very unlikely to come into contact with.

If a major company such as Maclaren is willing to recall one million strollers from the market because twelve children have had their fingers amputated, then why are governments refusing to acknowledge that a vaccine that they recommend is reported to have been responsible for the death of 140?

 

 

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  • little green bag

    Absolutely disgusting…..evil alright!@# How low will they go in the name of profit or is there a more sinister agenda afoot here?

  • Platy.

    Throat, other & cervical Cancers created by the virus take >> HOW MANY LIVES ..??
    Complete reporting gives the whole picture!!
    My condolances to the few who suffer to save many!!
    Such is life .. we are not all the same nor response able when quick action is required after a re-action.
    What about ELECTRICAL CURRENTS which kill th HIV VIRUSES as they pass near the wrist .. HOW SIMPLE if this were re-tested. HIV united the gay community but its time that HIV & the treatments which have been questioned as CURES got PUBLIC SUPPORT so BIG PHARMACUTICAL & DRS ORGS cannot threaten or rule ,, others who CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE CHEAPLY .. TAKE postive actions & believe only half one reads .. PUSH FOR TEST FUNDS!! not mere surveys!!

  • gdbear65

    Please realize that anyone can report an event to VAERS. IMO the NVIC stats are more compelling, however as you can see only about 1/3 of the claims are compensated. http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreports.html#Claims

    My point being that US citizens who truly believe a vaccine has adversely affected them will file a claim. Records current to June 26th 2013 indicate only 10 filings wherein the cause of death was attributed to the HPV vaccine, what happened to the other 130?

  • VaccineRisks

    Thank you for this excellent and most relevant article.
    It is also possible that Gardasil increases the risk of babies being born with
    congenital anomalies/ deformities:

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/min-archive/min-jun06.pdf

    “In pregnancies whose estimated onset occurred within 30 days of administration of
    a dose of GARDASIL/placebo, five cases of congenital anomalies were observed
    all in the group that received GARDASIL”.

    “A panel of four teratologists from around the world examined these data in a
    blinded fashion and unanimously agreed that the congenital anomalies were
    highly unlikely to be associated with the administration of GARDASIL”.

    Numerous attempts to attain access to studies by the ter$tologists have hitherto been unsuccessful.

  • julia

    i thought the in the know stance on hep b was that it was given to all babies because the most at risk babies are typically those of low socio economic stature, commonly indigenous, non white, refugee etc. It would raise questions of discrimination to selectively vaccinate based on skin colour, ethnic background etc, so they just blanket give it to everyone that doesnt know any better. Equals more money in the coffers so why not. I mean, come on, any educated person should be able to discern that hep b isnt a high risk to the vast majority of newborns.
    its a sick sick world.

  • Free People

    In my opinion ALL vaccines are worthless, provide no immunity because they don’t work. They are bio-weapons of mass destruction created by Frankenscientists and pushed by the population control agenda.
    Proven since 1935 by Claus W. Jungeblut, Ascorbate (Vitamin C) in large doses kills all of these diseases without any side-effects. See how the Medical Mafia hid the real science, for profit.

    http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/index.shtml

  • Free People

    Internet is a powerful tool for those of us who search for truth in the right places.

    Truth is, revisionist history has downplayed the contributions of genuine research, to the vaccine crusade. In 1935, Claus W. Jungeblut was the first scientist to proclaim that Ascorbate was antiviral, discovering that Ascorbate (Vitamin C) in large doses, prevents and cures polio, inactivates tetanus, diphtheria, hepatitis, herpes, staph, and numerous viral and bacterial pathogens and their toxins. But this was not going to be a money maker for the medical mafia, so Sabin faked studies done by Jungeblut to prove his research false. Work carried out by other workers, pre-Salk days, proved Ascorbate (Vit C) showed similar inactivation of vaccina virus, hoof-and-mouth disease, rabies and others, proving Jungeblut’s research correct.
    What did the powerful medical mafia do with most of the research?..make it disappear or file it in obscure places. There’s no money to be made on natural Ascorbate Vitamin C. Albert Sabin (you know, the guy whose live, oral polio vaccine became the leading cause of polio in the US), did his best to demonstrate that Vitamin C had no effect in preventing any virus. He was pushing his live polio vaccine and spreading the disease far and wide!
    In 1952, Frederick R. Klenner, MD wrote a paper on why Sabin’s research with Vitamin C was a failure, and continued successful research with Ascorbate Vit C. But the medical mafia doesn’t want the people to know this information. They’re running a sick-care profitable business.
    http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/index.shtml

  • Becky Hastings

    Thank you for writing this. The truth must be told.

  • 3foldit

    “If she is correct, HPV vaccines may have potentially injured over three
    hundred thousand people in a single year “.

    I have seen the series of statistics quoted above mentioned elsewhere as cumulative statistics, not one year statistics. I’m 99% appreciative of and in agreement with this article – but to indicate 300,000 injuries in a single years appears a simple mistake, and should be corrected.

    If I’m wrong about this, please also correct me.

  • Lcbotha

    You are correct, Christina did a make a mistake in this sentence. I regret not catching it before the article was posted. The data is from the year Gardasil went on the market and it is cumulative. Will make sure Christina gets notified. Thanks for the catch.

  • Phyl

    The Flu 1918 and Now – Eleanor McBean PhD, ND. Swine Flu Expose, Chapter2 excerpts:

    “I WAS AN ON-THE-SPOT OBSERVER OF THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC. All the doctors and people who were living at the time of the 1918 Spanish Influenza epidemic say it was the most terrible disease the world has ever had. Strong men, hale and hearty, one day would be dead the next. The disease had the characteristics of pneumonia, smallpox, paralysis and all the diseases the people had been VACCINATED WITH immediately following World War 1.

    – “Practically the entire population had been injected “SEEDED” WITH A DOZEN OR MORE DISEASES – or toxic serums. When all those ‘doctor-made diseases’ started breaking out all at once it was tragic.”

    – “That pandemic dragged on for two years, kept alive with the addition of more poison drugs administered by the doctors who tried to suppress the symptoms. As far as I could find out, THE FLU HIT ONLY THE VACCINATED. Those who had refused the shots ESCAPED THE FLU. My family had REFUSED all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time.

    THE REST IS HISTORY
    – 50 million people died worldwide
    – So the evidence strongly suggests the Spanish Flu of 1918 was actually created and then spread through vaccinations !
    – But, the “panic-stricken” public DEMANDED A VACCINATION, not realizing that was the way in which the disease was spreading. Will history repeat itself ?

    If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it” – Joseph Goebbels (Jewish Virtual Library. American – Israel Cooperative Enterprise)

    “The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used” – Dr James.A.Shannon (national institutes of health Director)

  • Phyl

    If you don’t believe that the elite are capable of carrying out a biological attack (virus/disease) on the population…. then you obviously have learned nothing from history. They will use this inflated Swine Flu scare and/or other flu/viruses to take away your guns and your liberty. Scientists tell us this SWINE FLU is a newly mutated virus, a combination of swine, bird and human flu virus [U.S. journalist gathers evidence swine flu virus began life in lab].

    It took corporate media swine flu hysteria to ram through a martial law in Massachusetts. State Legislators with NWO agendas will try to pass this in all 50 states…

    S18 gives the Governor the power to authorities the deployment and use of force to distribute supplies and materials…

    Local authorities will be allowed to enter private residences for investigation and to quarantine individuals…

    This is only the beginning and who knows what else they will come up with…

    But one thing for sure, no matter what they tell you, do not let them vaccinate you or your family!

  • Becky Hastings

    What are the statistics regarding how many of these vaccines have been given? It would be interesting to know the rate of deaths. Not that any deaths are acceptable, and the vaccine should be recalled immediately, but I want to know how many poor girls have been subjected to this torture.

  • 3foldit

    My pleasure – don’t want to give the other guys ammunition. Thanks to Christina in the meantime, for her persistent and really excellent advocacy work !

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    How many girls have been subject to this torture, and now have new medical conditions, and unrecovered outcomes, and even died as a guinea pig for the promotion and sale of this ridiculous vaccine??? Far to many for this vaccine to remain on the market, as a fact. This so called vaccine never should have been approved in the first place, and the FDA quite clearly should have known that.

    Gardasil-The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil—the-real-truth.html
    http://www.vacfacts.info/fda-reply-letter—and-further-questions-raised-on-gardasil.html

  • Lcbotha

    Yes, we all have to be accurate. You are so right. Christina is a brilliant, dedicated journalist. We are so lucky to have her. She is a brave woman – defending the rights of those who can no longer defend themselves. She is heartfelt and fearless. A rare combination. Thanks again for the catch and alerting us.

  • Free People

    Both. Profit and population control…and much more.
    If you can sterilize babies and children via vaccines, many years later when they come of age to have children themselves, they find out they are sterile, but nobody would be able to prove the vaccines caused this horror. Very deviously clever. It’s how they operate.
    The population control agenda is a massive operation involving not only the vaccine agenda, but also the pharmaceutical mafia which kills approximately 160,000 or more people per year, the medical cartel and hospitals another couple of hundred thousands or more. This doesn’t include the deaths from the psycotropics either. Just read an article today on Green Med Info about Tylenol deaths, (over 450) due to liver failure, and the many other OTC meds people buy without giving them one thought. BTW, Acetamenophine is also linked to infertility as are the hundreds of thousands of FDA approved ‘ingredients’ in just about everything including Genetically Engineered Fake Food (GMO).
    Government has been polluting the drinking water with fluoride (rat poison made from industrial waste) which calcifies the pineal gland, and causes other illnesses, but does absolutely nothing for the teeth, for decades now.

  • Joe

    The hard truths here are

    1. If people are stupid and sheepish enough to form beliefs and think them facts they deserve to be hurt, raped, robbed and slowly and painfully killed.

    2. If people (chronological adults) are stupid and sheepish enough to place their safety and lives in the hands of others they deserve to be hurt, raped, robbed and slowly and painfully killed.

    3. If people are stupid and sheepish enough to “believe” there are no axioms and that power corrupts and money is the root of ALL evil are not basic truths then they deserve to be hurt, raped, robbed and slowly and painfully killed.

    4. If people (chronological adults) are stupid and sheepish enough to hand their children over to a power elite to train and con themselves they are educating them then they deserve to be hurt, raped, robbed and slowly and painfully killed.

    Face it folks you have the government and commercial systems you deserve. How can it be any other way? Do you really think MEN and WOMEN would bend and remain silent and NOT KILL every one that is behind this and every other obvious murderous scam? CHILDREN would take no action and that is why this happens. GROW UP AND TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELVES AND YOUR OWN CHILDREN! Stop complaining and STRIKE OUT at those you know to be hurting you and yours!

  • little green bag

    very interesting… but I’m not surprised by what you say. I’m beginning to see it is more than just the money now. Although, I think the profits are a useful tool for them to manipulate and buy the integrity of others to do their bidding for them. What a corrupt and hostile world we live in. One of the things I am determined to do is stay away from Dr’s and pharmaceuticals as I have concluded that it is not a genuine healing modality. I intend to educate my children to think for themselves. To eat clean foods and not to rely on chemical solutions for their ills which seems to be the standard thinking today. I have also started to write to food companies holding them to account for putting GMO substances in their products. I want them to know that there is no longer a sucker born every minute that buys their product. You’re obviously a well read person.Thanks for your info. It’s great to learn from others! :)

  • Free People

    My pleasure. The goal is to spread the word far and wide to all who have ears to listen to the truth of what’s really going on here.
    It’s my responsiblitiy to spread truth and the good news, just like ‘VacTruth’ does. Avoiding ALL vaccines is the first step to good health. :)

  • Free People

    Bamacare = Eugenics 101. Trust government at your own risk. “Toxic depopulation politics is the cause of most of our health and many of our death problems”.
    “You are the only one responsible for your life and health”.
    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vaccine.htm

    Well, here’s a very comprehensive, short summary of the History of Vaccines, by Dr Robert O.Young D. Sc., PhD., NMD.

    http://articlesofhealth.blogspot.com/2008/02/death-by-vaccine.html

  • little green bag

    Absolutely! You can polish a turd but its still a turd!#… I’d much rather achieve natural immunity and in the mean time keep my immune in optimal condition . The body heals and maintains itself if you give it the right foods. It’s crystal clear the medical establishment want control over our bodies and does that by putting the fear into us. We then give our power to them and stop thinking for ourselves.
    From my experience not many people I know welcome the truth! Surprisingly, I find that most people rather live in Alice in Wonderland than take responsibility and question what they are being told. Probably because the truth can be ugly and too inconvenient once belief systems have been established. I only have just a few friends that research and look into things objectively. Anyway, its encouraging to know that others are willing to tell it like it is. I wish I knew more people like that. Cheers.

  • Free People

    Just received this from Green Med Info: HPV Vaccines
    “There is no evidence that Gardasil or Cervarix can prevent cancer better than a decent screening program. There is strong evidence that they can produce severe and life-threatening harm. This report by 4 scientists documents how science has been corrupted & misused to promote these life-devastating vaccines”.

    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/scientists-explain-why-hpv-vaccines-are-unsafe-0?utm_source=www.GreenMedInfo.com&utm_campaign=08769a2228-Greenmedinfo&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_193c8492fb-08769a2228-86860737

  • gdbear65

    actually that news regarding screening (pap smears) being better than reliance on the HPV vaccine was known back when they were conducting clinical trials – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marcia-g-yerman/an-interview-with-dr-dian_b_405472.html

  • Free People

    Right, but they went ahead and concocted the deadly vaccine anyway.

  • Brittany

    And I’m one of the few who does have Heart, Spirit, eyes, and ears for the right knowledge and the real homework. :)
    If you have youtube, come see me. I have a few playlists regarding these things and MUCH MORE. My youtube name is Sarah Yasue. :)

  • http://www.herpeswoo.com/ HerpesWoo.com

    Thanks for your article!

  • Diogenes

    Christina England said, “The VAERS statistics show that _HPV vaccinations have caused_ the following adverse reactions in the US:”

    The VAERS website says, “it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established.”
    and, “The report of an adverse event to VAERS _is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event_.”
    https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index

    Christina writes that “VAERS statistics show … vaccinations have caused”, but VAERS says a report to VAERS “is not documentation that a vaccine caused”, and specifically, “no cause-and-effect relationship has been established.”
    It seems Christina is illiterate. That’s a strange condition for a “journalist”.
    Perhaps she should consider a different career… One which doesn’t require reading comprehension.

    Folks would do well to be careful with “fringe” reporting since, unlike mainstream media, the “reporters” do not answer to an editor, they police themselves… very poorly.

    I think this calls into question the 2nd syllable of this site’s name.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    So, you think all those VAERS reports are meaningless? Why is that, and what would it take?

    Am J Reprod Immunol. 2013 Jul 31. doi: 10.1111/aji.12151. [Epub ahead of print]

    Human Papilloma Virus Vaccine and Primary Ovarian Failure: Another Facet of the Autoimmune/Inflammatory Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants.

    Colafrancesco S, Perricone C, Tomljenovic L, Shoenfeld Y.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23902317

    Death after Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Vaccination: Causal or Coincidental?

    Conclusions: Our study suggests that HPV vaccines containing HPV-16L1 antigens pose an inherent risk for
    triggering potentially fatal autoimmune vasculopathies.

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/ltshaw-death-after-quadrivalent-hpv-vaccination-pharma-reg-affairs-2012.pdf

    JW Investigates HPV Injury Compensation Program

    Documents Obtained by Judicial Watch Reveal 200 Claims Filed with HHS for HPV Vaccine Injuries and Deaths, 49 Compensated

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/hpv-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-is-the-government-compensating/

    One More Girl Movie
    http://onemoregirlmovie.com/?page_id=89

    HPV Vaccine VAERS Reports up to June 2013

    Description

    Total

    Disabled

    952

    Deaths

    140

    Did Not Recover

    6,032

    Abnormal Pap Smear

    531

    Cervical Dysplasia

    214

    Cervical Cancer

    64

    Life Threatening

    562

    Emergency Room

    10,557

    Hospitalized

    3,065

    Extended Hospital Stay

    234

    Serious

    4,091

    Adverse Events

    30,352

  • Lcbotha

    The latest (July) VAERS data is now published. Another 300 reports of adverse injury in July – in addition to the 300 reports in June.

    http://holyhormones.com/womens-health/cancer-womens-health/cervical-cancer/hpv-vaccine-uptake-at-zero-time-to-re-evaluate-safety-efficacy-policy/

  • Diogenes

    Christina England said, “The VAERS statistics show that HPV vaccinations have caused the following adverse reactions _in the US_:
    Deaths: 140″

    But when I check the entire VAERS database for deaths in the US and territories associated with all HPV vaccines I get:
    Deaths: 44
    http://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

    Ms. England states, “The latest statistics published on the United States VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) in June 2013 show a staggering 140 lives have been lost due to the HPV Vaccine.”
    … “a staggering 140 lives have been lost due to the HPV Vaccine.”

    But the (vac)truth of the matter is the data show 44 deaths _associated_ with the vaccine; and I note Ms. England also includes (again) the false statement that the deaths are “due to” the vaccine.
    (And by “associated” I mean it in the VAERS manner:
    e.g. – Deaths associated with Peanut Butter Sandwich which is a database of all deaths that occurred after the consumption of one or more PB sandwiches.)
    Child had a PB sandwich then got hit by a car and died? Enter it into the database as a death associated with PB sandwiches.)

    Gee, it just gets worse the more I look into the “facts” presented by Ms. England:
    It appears that both Ms. England and Ms. Botha are completely ignorant of, and incompetent in the use of, the VAERS database of which they are laughably writing articles.
    If they are not ignorant and have done this intentionally, then that would make them …
    After this one wonders why anyone would believe a word either of these two incompetents writes about any subject, except, perhaps, My Little Pony… and I’m not too sure of that.

    Ever heard the phrase – ‘The blind leading the blind?’

  • Diogenes

    So Lowell, what do you think of people who present disinformation?
    Do you like to have incorrect information presented as fact by incompetents?
    If some big-pharma entity misrepresented the data as egregiously as in this article would you make excuses for them or would you point out their errors and warn off other readers that what is being presented is disinfo?

    Do you like to be lied to and treated as an ignoramus, too stupid to do any fact-checking on your own?

    How’s the grass out in that pasture of yours?

  • Jennifer Symonds

    It’s probably because Big Pharma has all the money & few people can actually afford to go up against them legally

  • Nicefactchecking

    Research by Risbud et al. in Sexually Transmitted Infections in 1992 – It would have much more impact if you actually fact checked first. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12238646 Study was undertaken in 1996 and published in 2002 but hey what’s 1 more inaccuracy in an article full of them.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    The article wording or word used, such as have “caused”, (as in as a fact), is and has been chosen incorrectly, and there would have been a more accurate wording expressing the obvious higher than what should be acceptable potential for death in the use of HPV vaccines. I wouldn’t disagree with that; however all you people are doing is picking at words and terms, and thus ignoring the extremely damaging facts on the HPV vaccines of and in this article. Picking at words and that is all you can do, is an obvious and well known sign of defeat, as you have nothing of actual substance to stand on in the defense of these vaccines. These two vaccines ARE extremely dangerous and they have done far more harm than good repeatedly. how obvious would that need to be, for you to admit it. Nothing would be enough, ever; for the shills and vaccine defenders.

  • Nandis

    I don´t know the relation between my Asperger and asthma but I do know I was vaccinated as a child.

  • Diogenes

    “chosen incorrectly” – which is a mealy-mouthed way of saying “is a lie”.

    “all you people are doing is picking at words and terms,” – Huh? It is an article composed of “words and terms”, which turn out to be lies.
    Assessing written communication depends exclusively upon “picking at words and terms” because that is the substance of written communication.
    What would you have me assess about this article… the colour of the ink (which would be green)?

    “Picking at words and that is all you can do, is an obvious and well known sign of defeat” – Mr. Hubbs has made it clear he doesn’t mind lies when they promote his agenda.
    It’s the old schizophrenic idea of – “The TRVTH is so important that it is ok to lie to promote it.”

    I think I’ve learned enough about Mr. Hubbs and his view of honesty.

    You may have the last word Mr. Hubbs. This last, nearly unintelligible, screed of yours broke my Gibberish-to-English translator.

  • Lowell Hubbs

    Same old song and dance of the vaccines have ALWAYS done more harm than good, denialists. Same old false claims and crap, and the same old literal slander, differant day; over and over. Never changes. DO YOU NOT SEE, how ignorant and in denail you are and look? Throwing mud and poo like a child; while thinking you could just come back in here again and again and spew more of your vaccine brainwashed and choosing to contine to brainwash the rest of the world, misinformation and lies. People can now see through you and your claims, Diogenes; like a thin white sheet, with a lot of holes. Thank you for helping make my point. You just simply refuse to get it. Here you go, THIS is the most in their face with the truth website ever, next to vactruth…enjoy!

    VacFacts
    http://www.vacfacts.info

  • Dan Kegel

    HPV vaccine kills girls? Really?
    I checked the VAERS reports of deaths myself in January of last year. There were only about 20 reputable-looking reports of death in the US, and no discernable pattern to the deaths. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19690307 says that the reporting rate of deaths was 0.1 per million doses distributed. And http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23027469 watched 189,000 women for two months after vaccination, and the only health risks they found associated with the vaccine were fainting on the day of vaccination, and skin infections in the two weeks after vaccination.
    So, no, there aren’t a lot of girls dying from the vaccine. We don’t even have any good evidence that any girl has died from it. I *have* heard of people fainting, hitting their heads, and then dying, but fainting at the sight of a needle isn’t specific to HPV vaccines. (I’ve done it several times myself – fortunately, I didn’t hit my head on the way down.)

    And there are several problems with the paper by Little and Ward.
    First: the authors have an axe to grind. They are pro-life activists; Dr. Little serves on the board of advisors of Family Life International, a Catholic group which claimed as in 2007 (and still claims today) that the vaccine promotes promiscuity and VD, which is not supported by the evidence. This should have been disclosed as a conflict of interest in the paper.
    Second, the paper claims to have ruled out all causes other than Gardasil for the problem… but they didn’t check (as far as I know) for the specific mutations estimated to account for 20%-25% of the risk for premature ovarian failure.
    Third, premature ovarian failure happens to about one in ten thousand girls by age 20 regardless of vaccination. One estimate is that 66 unvaccinated sixteen-year-old girls would experience this problem each year in the US, so seeing even fifty of these cases in one year would not neccessarily indicate any risk from Gardasil.

    Finally, Japan has not decided the vaccine is unsafe. The Asahi Shimbun wrote on June 15, 2013:
    — snip —
    “The decision (not to recommend the vaccination) does not mean that the vaccine itself is problematic from the viewpoint of safety,” said Mariko Momoi, vice president of the International University of Health and Welfare, who headed a ministry task force looking into the matter. “By implementing investigations, we want to offer information that can make the people feel more at ease.” … girls will continue to be able to receive the HPV vaccination for free.
    — snip —

    They’re still providing the vaccination for free to girls. That doesn’t sound like they’ve decided it’s a safety risk, does it?

    It’s ironic, but not surprising, that this article attempts to connect the vaccine in with cigarettes in readers’ minds. The author really, really, really wants Gardasil to be dangerous. It’s a shame she doesn’t have any data to back up her claims.

    For more science-based info about HPV and vaccines, see http://hpv.kegel.com/faq

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    That so called large study claimed to have looked at the medical records of those thousands of women and came up with nothing pointing to any problem with Gardasil. And you actually believe that is an honest and accurate study. That study again was funded by Merck and done by Kaiser Permanente, a clearly corrupt establishment that pharma has now gone to to cover up anything they need covered up, all they need to do is fund it. If you look at the unbiased studies and the now as well bulwark of unbiased information and the numerous personal cases and accounts of unrecovered from outcomes and death; quite clearly this vaccine never should have seen FDA approval. People like you Kegal are only hell bent on complete denial of all and minimizing through very twisted distortion and deception in regard to the facts and all the harm that has been done by both of the HPV vaccines.

    Your listed website is as well a perfect example of that fact. Compare it to this one. You can not provide the facts and reality, when you only give one side of the information; which is clearly the highly biased side of the mainstream information.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil—the-real-truth.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Scientists Point Out Corruption in Vaccine’s Promotion-Gardasil

    In a letter signed by all five of these scientists, they point out several flaws in the claims that Merck’s Gardasil and Pfizer’s Cervarix make to sell their vaccines[1]:

    HPV vaccines have never been shown to prevent cervical cancer.

    The end-points used in the studies are based on infections and lesions that usually heal without help, so how can they demonstrate efficacy in preventing cancer several years later?

    The trials are biased to produce false negatives and therefore cannot accurately estimate the risk of developing cancer.

    Passive methods of recording adverse effects cannot accurately reflect how prevalent they are.

    Accurate estimates of the actual frequency of HPV vaccine adverse effects cannot be made when such effects are automatically dismissed as unrelated to the vaccine.

    Women are not informed that, in some instances, the HPV vaccines may increase the rate at which existing abnormalities develop, thus causing the cancer from which they’re supposedly being protected.

    When information about HPV vaccine risks and limitations are not provided, women cannot possibly make informed decisions about whether to have the vaccine.

    Health regulators are making decisions based on information provided by the same corporations that hope to profit from them. How can they possibly make rational decisions on such limited and biased information?

    Read more:
    http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/08/24/scientists-point-out-corruption-in-vaccines-promotion-11498/

  • Dan Kegel

    Hi Lowell,
    I’m not sure I can compete with the compendium of information at vacfacts.info!

    I gather from the “History of Mainstream Medicine” page at your site that you disagree with the germ theory of disease, and feel that mainstream medicine went wrong about 100 years ago and can’t be trusted as a result. Is that about right?

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    The germ theory of disease is in fact theoretically incorrect, and is just the beginning point of realization that all of modern chemical pharma so called medicine is based on a false foundation of understanding and principals. It is not the pathogens but the physical terrain they are allowed to take a hold and live in; meaning the human body and resistance to illness. This is when you realize it, the most actually simplified and basic of understanding that would and could ever be in need of understanding, to get health care, right. They refuse to get it right, because to rethink this, would destroy their system of selling sickness and disease. The concepts of the soil and the seed; how simple is that? Providing chemical pharma drug treatments; all of it far to often only creates more harm than good, and the believed additional need for more pharma drugs. Treating symptoms instead of the root causation; never being allowed to understand the root causation, which is largely toxicity and lack of real cellular nutrition, and an overly acidic metabolic ph. Similar circumstances have always existed, as well in regard to vaccines. To understand this you have to realize the real history from the past that has been hidden and actually erased from the public view. There is a need begin to know of as well the understanding and research done by others than Louis Pasteur, and in his time frame. You need to understand how and why this standard allopathic system has become what it is, and why it will never be allowed to get better, but will get only only worse. How many pharma cures are there for anything, can you name any?

    I can tell you Mr. Kegal, if you and/or people in general are not willing to accept the information and review and study it thoroughly, then there will be no understanding of what has been put forth. It is so basic and simple. It is not even about any issue of being trusted, (as you put it); as they simply have it wrong. It is not a theory, nor any conspiracy theory; it is all obvious fact. Learn the truth, or keep being mislead, it is all up to you.

    The three main pages you need to focus on.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-history-of-modern-medicine.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

  • Jennifer Symonds

    That’s why I’ve been referring to mainstream medicine as chemical wallpaper!

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    The medical monopoly empire of Rockefeller medicine men. Pharma mislead, with literally plenty of smoke and a lot of mirrors. Every individual health care situation needs to be decided on its own merits, but the public can not determine that, when they have never been told the real story of the benefits verses the risks, and what their alternative options are.

  • Dan Kegel

    I do like reading about things like the origins of homeopathy or the origins of vaccination, so I had a look at your pages to see what they had to say about smallpox. They link to an article “Smallpox Vaccine: Origins of Vaccine Madness”, which says, among other things,

    “In 1918 – 1919, with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic the Philippines had ever known occurred.”

    That caught my eye, because 1918 is recent enough that there might be good records. And happily, not only are the annual reports of the Philippine medical service are online at
    http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000677042
    but a review of them for 1918-1919 epidemic (“Small-pox and Vaccination in the Philippines”) is online at
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2315899/pdf/brmedj06250-0028.pdf

    I have to run, but I think those might be very useful in understanding that epidemic and how effective or ineffective vaccination was at the time.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Perhaps you should first read the literature you are promoting, as the the 1923 Pubmed write up does not show anything even close to a record of small pox vaccine being effective, but in fact calls into question just the opposite. All you had to do was start with the conclusion. As for the large catalog of information, it has a massive number of pages and time frames to it, and the pages are very slow loading. If you think you can glean anything for positive vaccine information from that, go ahead. Remember as well that there are later points in history where that information has obviously been changed and altered to give an impression of vaccine effectiveness.

  • Dan Kegel

    I did read through the review. It was very interesting, and I feel a lot better informed about that particular fight against smallpox. I haven’t taken the time yet to use the information in those articles to make a case for or against vaccination; I just wanted to point out some source data that predates the industrial era of pharmaceuticals.

    BTW I also found one of the footnotes from the review,
    “Unsolve Health Problems Peculiar to the Philippines”, at
    http://archive.org/stream/philippinejourn51910phil/philippinejourn51910phil_djvu.txt

    (Personal aside: I’m from the era when everybody got the smallpox shot. I still have the mark.)

  • Dan Kegel

    I spent some more time looking for papers written between 1900 and 1925 with keywords efficacy smallpox vaccine, and have found four interesting (and freely available) ones so far; I link to them at http://kegel.com/smallpox, and quote them about vaccine efficacy.

    One particularly interesting quote is from the 1919 report from the Phillipines: “Of the 56.018 total cases reported, 52,763, or 94 per cent, had never been vaccinated.”

    The three papers report measurements of mortality among cases of smallpox as follows:

    Liverpool 1903 : vaccinated, 3%; unvaccinated, 27%
    Manila 1918: vaccinated, 37%, unvaccinated, 80%
    Windsor 1924: vaccinated, 0%; unvaccinated, 71%

    So it does seem that these three papers support the notion that cowpox vaccination was effective at reducing incidence and mortality of smallpox.

    I didn’t see any paper which reported that vaccination was generally ineffective; the Philippines paper detailed many difficulties in vaccination (e.g. lack of cooperation, lack of followup to make sure the vaccination took, and vaccine spoiling), but even with those difficulties, mortality was cut in half by vaccination.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Mr. Kegel. It is all about which set of information you are willing to accept. The sources you accept appear to be of a more mainstream linked governmental origin of that day and time. You on the other hand quite obviously ignored any reference information I have put forth, thus being determined to show evidence of small pox vaccine effectiveness.

    It is amazing how you can go into such articles and pull out the very limited data, such as that being the total figures of 67 people in your proclaimed test case for the whole epidemic covering the Border Cities, Amherstburg, Maidstone and Detroit, and then you have directly proclaimed in your notation to such preposterous claims as to state that, quote; You will note that no person who had ever been vaccinated successfully at any time in his or her life, whether it was in the incubation period of smallpox or years and years before, died of smallpox. You will note also that of the persons who had never been successfully vaccinated and who developed smallpox seventy-one percent died of the disease. That is a wonderful story in regard to the efficacy of vaccination as mitigating the severity of the disease, but the figures by no means tell the whole story. Unquote. I took that from your website page link.

    I want you tell me HOW there can be this much adverse information existing regarding the small pox vaccine, and you would obviously choose to believe that it is somehow all incorrect and/or a fabrication? This is obviously historical information, data, and quotes made at the time as well, Mr. Kegel. If you want to research this subject, I suggest that you include this information below and read all of it, which is going to take you some time, but is well worth the read.

    HISTORICAL MANIPULATION, SMALLPOX, AND POLIO
    http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/history.php

    The real story of the covered up failure of the small pox vaccine.

    History Repeats Itself: Lessons Vaccinators Refuse to Learn, by Jennifer Craig, PhD
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/04/17/history-repeats-itself-lessons-the-vaccinationists-refuse-to-learn-by-jennifer-craig-phd/

    Smoke, Mirrors, and the “Disappearance” Of Polio, by Suzanne Humphries, MD

    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/11/17/smoke-mirrors-and-the-disappearance-of-polio/
    Was Smallpox Vaccine Really A Great Success?

    By Roger Schlafly, PhD

    The Philippine Islands provide us with the most striking information on record that with much vaccination there is also much smallpox. Since the taking of the islands by the U.S., every attention had been paid to the perfecting of sanitation. But not content with this, their Public Health Service has seen to the thorough systematic vaccination of the population, adding thereto a considerable amount of serum inoculation.

    An American paper published in 1922 reported “The Philippines have experienced three smallpox epidemics since the U.S. took over the Islands, the first in 1905-06, the second in 1907-08, and the third and worst of all in 1918-19.

    Before 1905 (with no general vaccination) the case-mortality was about 10%. In the 1905-06 epidemic, with vaccination well started, the case-mortality ranged from 25-50%. During the epidemic of 1918-19, with the Philippines supposedly almost universally immunized against smallpox by vaccination, the case-mortality averaged over 65%!

    Read more:
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/was-smallpox-vaccine-really-a-great-success.aspx

    Smallpox vaccination failure statistics
    http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_stats_h.htm

    Smallpox vaccine failure quotes, (recorded in the earlier time era of the small pox, and in the use of vaccination)

    http://www.whale.to/vaccine/quotes10.html

    http://www.whale.to/a/quotes.html

    THE SMALLPOX VACCINATION HOAX

    http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html

    SANITATION, NOT VACCINATION THE TRUE

    Protection against Small-Pox

    by Walter S. Hadwen M.D.

    http://www.vaclib.org/basic/hadwen.htm

    http://www.whale.to/vaccine/tebb1.html

    Smallpox Vaccine Failure Redux: Money For Nothing, Deaths For Free.

    [excerpted from the 7th ed. of The Sanctity of Human Blood]

    Dr. Tim O’Shea

    EDWARD JENNER

    – Jenner was no physician. He never passed a medical exam in his life, completed any course of medical study, or received a diploma from any medical school.

    – Jenner bought his medical degree for £15 from St Andrew’s College in Scotland, which he never attended (Hume, p 174 [17], also Hadwen [14])

    – Jenner “tested” his theory on one patient, and then immediately claimed that he had “immunized” the patient against smallpox for life. Jenner also claimed that the vaccine would work universally. That’s it. No controlled clinical trials, no years of research, nothing! One patient.

    With no proof whatsoever, and a sample size of one, Jenner tricked the entire medical profession, then and now, into pretending that cowpox was smallpox in cows – a total scientific inaccuracy. And then he sold the idea that his vaccine was the cure. [5, 14]

    as you may remember, was the English “physician” in the late 1700s who took note of an old superstition that milk-maids who got a mild disease known as cowpox supposedly didn’t get smallpox. As an experiment, Jenner came up with the idea of drawing serum from an infected cowpox pustule on the skin of an infected milkmaid. He then injected the infected pus into a perfectly healthy person, on the theory that contact with this “milder” disease would allow the subject to develop immunity to the more deadly smallpox.

    Jenner’s theory was that this cow-pox is smallpox of the cow. Therefore, if you give a person cow-pox, it is the same as smallpox, only in a very mild form. And it would not be infectious.

    TWO DIFFERENT DISEASES

    Legitimate scientists of Jenner’s day decried the smallpox vaccine from the start. Bechamp, Hadwen, Wallace, and others thought it appalling that the most basic facts concerning the distinction between cowpox and smallpox were simply never discussed. If the original axioms of vaccination were true, how could one disease vector immunize against a completely separate disease? This was the question that was never asked, and is still ignored today.

    Watch closely: the two diseases – cowpox and smallpox – are completely distinct conditions. Hadwen explains:

    “What is cow-pox? It is a disease which occurs on the teats of cows; it only occurs when they are in milk; only in one part of the body, and naturally only in the female animal; it results in an ugly chancre; and is not infectious.

    Small-pox, on the other hand, is not limited to the female sex as is cow-pox, nor to one portion of the body; it presents different physical signs, and, furthermore, is tremendously infectious, and the course and symptoms of the two diseases are totally different. Therefore there is no analogy between the two.” [5]

    Hadwen wrote this 100 years ago, but his objections are still valid. Doing a taxonomic check today in a standard index of viruses from a National Institutes of Health database [21] readily points out that cowpox is caused by a virus called Orthopox vaccinia and smallpox is caused by a virus called Orthopox variola. These two viruses have different sizes, genetic sequences, and characteristics. To pretend that cows get a version of smallpox called cowpox is bizarre enough – but then to say that people who get the same disease are immune to smallpox is simply fantasy.

    WHEEL OF FORTUNE Not long after his “breakthrough,” Jenner’s repeated petitions to the House of Commons struck gold. It finally dawned on the English government how millions of pounds sterling could be moved around by passing a law making the new smallpox vaccine compulsory. Jenner was promptly awarded the enormous sum of 30,000 by British Parliament and suddenly this uneducated poseur was a revered scientist! (Wallace [6])

    Read more:
    http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/smallpox/Smallpox-Bringing-a-Dead-Disease-Back-to-Life/

    http://gdsajj.wordpress.com/2010/12/18/smallpox-vaccine-failure-redux-money-for-nothing-deaths-for-free/

    The polio vaccine: a critical assessment of its arcane history, efficacy, and long-term health-related consequences
    http://www.thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf

    Decline of Diseases Prior to Available Vaccine Graphs
    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Mumps_Eng_Wales

    HORRORS OF VACCINATION EXPOSED AND ILLUSTRATED

    BY CHAS. M. HIGGINS, 1920

    http://www.whale.to/vaccine/higgins_b.html

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

  • kelly Holcomb

    You are THE DEVIL DAN KEGEL~ YOU ARE WORKING FOR THE DEVIL!!!! YOU ARE A LIAR AND A FAT MOUTH!! AND I CERTAINLY HOPE YOU CATCH THE WORST FORM OF THIS DISEASE!!

  • Dan Kegel

    What’s so bad about providing science-based information about common diseases?

    Incidentally, according to the WHO’s page about Hepatitis B, “In areas of Africa and Asia, widespread infection may occur in infancy and childhood.” At least in those areas, it seems Hepatitis B is sometimes spread from child to child, so HBV vaccination of young children is entirely appropriate there.

  • tony torpedo

    the real question is why no body is talking about hpv all along?
    much information and education and less sensationalism needs to be done about this virus.

    let’s say that your reports were correct if only some one were to talk straight facts aboutthis disease i think no one will call condoms safe sex anymore.

    10years ago i catch throat hpv not by oral sex, not even a kiss but a brush of lips with a woman.
    i immediately notice the change in my mouth and after a number of visits to doctors who looked at my throat none of them figure or disclosed what i had.
    10years later i decided to have sex again with a stranger now igot a rash and i think i am
    developing cancer

    condoms don’t protect against this, and after going to 3clinics and countless blood work.

    i sat down on my own an decided to figure it own my own sinceiknee this pseudo doctors will never tell me what i had.
    now i knowi got a deadly disease that condoms don’t protect and is super contagious and guess what there is a vaccine against it.
    what’s the agenda for reals?
    let me tell you something if a can get th hands of time and be given the chance of a slow painful death of cancer or a quick one.
    iwould of stuck the needle my self as a matter of fact iam planning to do that.
    another reason why they should put this on new borns because that way my kid would not have catch it because of my ignorance.

    why doctors are concealing this ones again whats the fcking agenda?

  • rhondaleebaby69

    No government has banned HPV vaccines for good reason. They are safe and they work.

  • rhondaleebaby69

    The question you should be asking is how many millions of women will never get cervical cancer now…

  • rhondaleebaby69

    Wow. Another fluoride denier? I thought you all died around the Vietnam War era…

  • Silvia Postill

    oh dear Mr.Kegel..Pasteur himself realized he was wrong……even my 8 year old knows it..
    But hey…germ theory suits BIG Pharma Cartel just fine…doesn’t it.,as without it, it would collapse like a deck of dominoes..
    Einstein was right when he pointed out that only 2 things in Universe are infinite… (i’ll let you Google that one for yourself if you don’t mind..)

  • Dan Kegel

    So, given that germ theory is incorrect, would you happily be injected with germs said by mainstream medicine to be highly dangerous, just to prove them wrong?

  • Silvia Postill

    ..injecting germs directly into the bloodstream is what vaccinologists deem appropriate ,totally bypassing non-specific (innate) 1st & 2nd line of defense mechanisms,thus creating complete ‘shock’ for the immune system,where pathogens enter the body without any prior ‘warning’, is totally alien to what happens ‘organically’,just like nature intended lets say when someone catches measles NATURALLY…where body will have ample time to summon its defense ‘crew’ and all lines of defense mechanisms (something which can’t be said about blasting pathogens without any warning directly into the blood stream)..
    So absolutely no…would be an answer to your question..
    If on another hand,you’d place a group of people into the room full of people who are sick,lets say with flu/cold.. and observed how many people will actually get infected if exposed to ”germs”/viruses to prove germ theory wrong..that’s another question altogether..hope you can see the fundamental difference here.

    Only those who don’t understand how immune system works will buy into this nonsense…and let me tell you a little ‘secret’ -we humans understand only a fraction of how immune system works,a fraction..so instead of thinking we know it all,I’d focus my energies on supporting my body with proper nutrition,as healthy immune system can easily deal with ANY PATHOGEN..not vaccines. Stimulating purely antibody production doesn’t represent Immunity ..I know it’s a lie…but more importantly-THEY know it’s a big fat LIE.

    Interestingly we don’t only inject these poisons into immature immune system,unable to respond appropriately,but we seem to think it’s a good idea to combine them,into several different strains,and blast them into newborns,pregnant women,children,immuno suppressed with horrific consequences..
    Autoimmune disorders,cancers,allergies,inflammation..just to name the few are prevalent in today’s kids-and kids cancers are on the rise.
    Something which was unheard off in my era of growing up….I don’t know about you..but so far, i failed to catch measles,mumps,rubella all in one go,this would never happen to any child catching whatever infectious disease naturally -ever. ..but certainly vaccine manufacturers & vaccine peddlers seems to think ,that injecting all different strains of viruses & bacteria into babies is a good idea. .I think its pure insanity.
    .
    Fortunately..some of us can still think for ourselves.My children are healthy,which sadly can’t be said about many of their vaccinated peers… .i don’t even need statistics,cherry picked data & flawed science to tell me what i can see with my own eyes.

  • Dan Kegel

    So, since you didn’t agree to injecting germs, I guess you believe that germs are in fact real and cause disease. So… if germs are real, what’s wrong with germ theory again?

  • Silvia Postill

    i think i was pretty clear why i didn’t agree…germs don’t enter your bloodstream via needle..bybassing my mucous membranes,saliva,tears,enzymes,acids…etc….. in the lab they do,not in real life…the fault isn’t with my answer,but with your illogical question.
    I hope you understand that your inability to grasp my explanation doesn’t make the germ theory right… it only reveals level of your own (not)understanding .

  • Dan Kegel

    I guess I’m trying to understand your position. You talk about germs, and accept that they exist, yet you still say that germ theory is incorrect.

    Do you accept that viruses are real, are composed of RNA or DNA (plus in many types a few proteins), and can cause disease?

  • Silvia Postill

    ..but Dan..germ theory being wrong is not about denialism of the existence of bacteria & viruses.they are all around us,all the time,everywhere…but it’s about understanding,that just because you are exposed to them,doesn’t mean you ‘re going to get disease…it’s the state of ‘terrain”(the body) which matters..Hence it makes sense to make your ‘terrain’ strong….but hey..there is no money to be made on healthy people….sick or those with one or more chronic conditions,thanks to early assault on immature immune system through vaccination,often become customers of Big Pharama for life.just .
    ”One of the biggest tragedies of human civilization is the precedence of chemicals over nutrition.”(~Dr. Richard Murray)
    here is how i see it:

    ”We do not catch diseases.
    We build them.
    We have to eat, drink, think, and feel them into existence.
    We work hard at developing our diseases.

    We must work just as hard at restoring health.
    The presence of germs does not constitute the presence of a disease.
    Bacteria are scavengers of nature…they reduce dead tissue to its smallest element.
    Germs or bacteria have no influence, whatsoever, on live cells. Germs or microbes flourish as scavengers at the site of disease.
    They are just living on the unprocessed metabolic waste and diseased, malnourished, nonresistant tissue in the first place.

    hope that helps..

    http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/05/louis_pasteur_vs_antoine_bchamp_and_the_germ_theory_of_disease_causation_1.html

  • Dan Kegel

    But isn’t vaccination a way of making the body’s immune system stronger? It certainly strengthens the immune response.

    There’s lots of evidence of this; for instance, three recent studies of girls vaccinated in the Australian and Danish national HPV vaccination campaigns found that they had 50%-75% fewer cases of CIN3 at their first pap smear.

  • Silvia Postill

    no…vaccination doesn’t make our body stronger…it tricks the body into unnecessary frenzy ,resulting in myriad of autoimmune disorders so prevalent in today’s children..Catching measles naturally for example results not only in lifelong specific immunity to it,but also life long non-specific immunity to degenerative diseases of bone & cartilage,sebaceous skin diseases and certain tumours .
    Prior to the measles vaccine, every woman caught measles as a child and recovered from it without any lasting complications. Getting wild measles and recovering from it, as nature intended, not only gave protection against allergies and asthma, and strengthened the immune system, it also provided LIFELONG immunity, which was passed to the woman’s offspring and protected the infant during that most vulnerable first year of life…thanks to vaccinations this is no longer the case leaving women of childbearing age ,and their offspring most vulnerable to measles with possibly dire consequences if acquired in pregnancy or in newborn.(via vaccine shedding,let’s say from recently vaccinated sibling..)
    Going out and getting vaccinated in mass quantities is likely contributing to the spread, since the MMR vaccine is a LIVE virus vaccination and people who receive it are contagious and can spread the vaccine-strain to others for up to a month after vaccination. MMR vaccine has a long history of vaccine-failure and it is common for those who are fully vaccinated to contract measles. It is also not uncommon for the vaccine itself to cause measles infection in those who receive it.You are entitled to believe what you want..i too was once believer in vaccines,until i caused my daughter severe skin problems & allergies…which cleared luckily within 2 years when I’ve stopped vaccinating her.Also many parents i know personally,were not that lucky,trusting the authorities…it might be late for their children,(some will never get their children back),but as long it helps to prevent injury of another child…i will speak out against vaccines.

    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/29/measles-vaccines-part-ii-benefits-of-contracting-measles-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

  • Jen

    If I’m not mistaken, vaccines are not directly injected into the bloodstream.

  • Jennifer Symonds

    So there’s always been money in the the great vaccine con.,nothing new under the sun, as ‘they’ say!!

  • Lou

    The VAERS statistics show that HPV vaccinations have caused the following adverse reactions in the US: Note this may be understating actual damage by a factor of 10 to 100.

    Deaths: 140
    Disabled: 952
    Did not recover: 6,032
    Abnormal pap smear: 531
    Cervical dysplasia: 214
    Cervical cancer: 64
    Life-threatening: 562
    ER visit: 10,557
    Hospitalized: 3,065
    Extended hospital stay: 234
    Serious: 4,091
    Adverse events: 30,352

    Clinical evidence the “HPV vaccine” helps to prevent cervical cancer.

    Absolutely NONE.

  • Lou

    For goodness sakes become aware of the HPV poison

    “Since the vaccines cause auto-antibodies against the brain’s neuronal fibers to be produced in many cases, they have triggered demyelinating disorders. They have also induced many cases of cerebral vasculitis.”

    Japan exposes the extremely toxic HPV “vaccine”

    Following an extensive review of the biomedical literature, they listed conditions in which HPV vaccination is most likely linked to the development of autoimmune diseases (with qualification that they are only raising possible links and not fully confirmed ones), including:

    Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis and other demyelinating diseases of the central nervous system

    Multiple sclerosis (MS)
    Guillain–Barré syndrome (GBS)
    Primary ovarian failure (POF)
    IgA bullosus dermatitis
    Henoch-Schonlein purpura
    Cutaneous vasculitis
    Kikuch-Fujimoto disease
    Erythema multiforme
    Acute cerebral ataxia
    Immune thrombocytopenic purpura

    Study Reveals “Unavoidable” Danger of HPV Vaccines

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_gardasil.htm

  • Justin Dallas

    Lowell Hubbs: thanks for your efforts & detailed explainations. I know it must have taken some time to find & reference the info you listed. Im very much appreciative – adds to my personal understanding.

  • Justin Dallas

    I watched the Greater Good documentary – 120 initial test candidates in the clinical study, lasted less than a year & then Gaurdasil was ‘fast-tracked’ to market through government lobbying. As soon as it was approved by the FDA for international use, the clinical study was stopped.

    Another very interesting read is how the media protects Big Parma.
    Guys like James Murdoch (son of FOX media / New Coproration mogul Rupert Murdoch) is a director of British pharmaceutical company GlaxoSmithKline.

    Very interesting how mainstream media is always leaning to support pharma … makes sense when ‘daddy’s got ya back!’

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

    Why vaccines spread disease and vaccine science is flawed
    http://alignlife.com/articles/medicalresearch/why-vaccines-spread-disease-and-vaccine-science-if-flawed

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • Lou

    Perhaps but within two hours most are at least 50% distributed out of the muscle tissue and into the blood stream.

    “For a 150 U/kg CK dose, the steady-state volume of distribution was 0.050 +/- 0.0115 L/kg and the plasma half-life was 112 +/- 18 min. After CK i.m. administration, the half-life of the terminal phase was 11.+/- 5.3 h indicating a flip-flop process and the mean bio-availability of CK was close to 100%.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7674460

  • Lou

    ”We do not catch diseases. We build them.”

    Oh that is so true today in the USSA. The NIH and Doctor Jeffrey Taubenberger Constructed the H5N1 pandemic bird flu virus they have prepared NUMEROUS “vaccines” for. Now mind you all those pathogens and “vaccines” which cost billions of our taxpayer and a LITTLE Big Pharma funds are of NO USE until “someone” lets the H5N1 out of its cage and all those “vaccine” profits can come rolling in.

    So what if millions have to die. Hey depopulation and profits count a heck of a lot more than people. Incidentally a “well vaccinated” child is PROVEN to be more substitutable when the pandemic finally does come. It will come.

    “ … Estimates from all four studies (which included
    about 1,200 laboratory-confirmed pH1N1 cases and 1,500 controls) showed that prior recipients of the 2008–09 TIV [seasonal flu shot] had approximately 1.4–2.5 times increased chances of developing pH1N1 illness that needed medical attention during the spring–summer of 2009 compared to people who had not received the TIV.” Health
    Canada PLoS Medicine:

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_flu_shot.htm

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/11/21/DI2005112100469.html

    http://www.rense.com/general86/manmd.htm

  • http://batman-news.com rhondaleebaby

    “Prior to the measles vaccine, every woman caught measles as a child and recovered from it without any lasting complications”….except for the one that died.

  • http://batman-news.com rhondaleebaby

    Once again, I stage “no government has banned HPV vaccines”. Not even Japan.

  • Lou

    Germ theory was concocted to SELL protection; a protection racket and one of the best and most long running rackets we humans have foisted on ourselves.

    Most modern “disease” IMO in today’s USA is a result of eating man-made crap and sitting on our butts. Hard to accept knowledge, but we are ignoring it to our continuous demise. Note drugs and Medical Treatment will not help you solve this NUTRITIONAL and EXERCISE problem.

    “In a healthy body there is no room for disease. Disease results from an absence of health.” Udo Erasmus PhD

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_disease.htm

  • Dan Kegel

    You can eat as healthy as you want, and exercise as much as you want, but the ebola, rabies, and tetanus germs are still pretty likely to kill you if you catch them.

  • Lou

    Oh how wrong you are. Please take a look at the “tetanus threat”

    “Here are several interesting statistics to compare: During the Second World War, there were 12 recorded cases
    of tetanus. Four of them occurred in military personnel vaccinated against the disease. There have been less than 100 cases of tetanus in the entire nation (U.S.) since 1976. The majority of those cases were over 50. During that time, no deaths occurred among any tetanus cases under 30 years of age. Tetanus vaccines are not responsible for the success, since they only immunize for 12 years or less; and most of the vaccines are given to children. Yet, in contrast, the tetanus vaccine itself results in a variety of serious complications, including recurrent abscesses, high fever, inner ear nerve damage, anaphylactic shock, loss of consciousness, and demyelinating neuropathy (progressive nerve degeneration). (See U.S. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports for additional information on these statistics.) Why then are children vaccinated for tetanus?” The Vaccination Crisis

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_tetanus.htm

    The “tetanus vaccine” has killed a heck of a lot more people than it has helped.

  • Dan Kegel

    Many tetanus deaths occur in the first weeks of life.
    This caused hundreds of thousands of deaths per year as of 1984 ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2536335/ ).

    If the germ theory is true for tetanus, one would expect better sanitation and maternal vaccination might prevent many of these deaths — and that’s exactly what has been found, see
    http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/39/suppl_1/i102.full
    and
    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/11816262_Effect_on_neonatal_tetanus_mortality_after_a_culturally-based_health_promotion_programme/links/0fcfd5097ee1e0616e000000

    In developed countries with good sanitation, there isn’t as much need for tetanus vaccination, but that doesn’t invalidate the germ theory.

  • Lou

    “There have been less than 100 cases of tetanus in the entire nation (U.S.) since 1976. The majority of those cases were over 50. During that time, no deaths occurred among any tetanus cases under 30 years of age.”

    Sir why are we in the USA subjecting our babies to hundreds of millions of doses of toxic “tetanus vaccine” for no benefit and MUCH harm?

  • Dan Kegel

    The fact that only people over 50 get tetanus indicates that childhood tetanus vaccination is working, and that the vaccine only protects for 30 or so years.

    http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=350554 estimated the costs and benefits of routine tetanus vaccination, and found that it reduced cost of disease by $19.5 million/year.

    I’m not aware of any evidence of harm from the tetanus toxoid in current vaccine.

  • Lou

    Well I am sure you can present some evidence of your conjecture. How about some double blinded clinical trials. LOL We both know this CANNOT be done.

    Although a major disease in tropical under-developed countries, tetanus in the USA has been very rare. In the
    past, tetanus occurred primarily in poor segments of the population in southern states and in Mexican migrants in California. It was swiftly diminishing with each decade prior to the 1950s (in the pre-vaccination era), as inferred from tetanus mortality records and similar case-fatality ratios (about 67-70%) in the early 20th century[8] versus
    the mid-20th century).[9] The tetanus vaccine was introduced in the USA in 1947 without performing any placebo-controlled clinical trials in the segment of the population (children or adults), where it is now routinely used …

    Severe and even deadly tetanus is known to occur in recently vaccinated people with high levels of serum
    antitoxin.[11] Although the skeptic might say that no vaccine is effective 100% of the time, the situation with the tetanus vaccine is quite different. In these cases of vaccine-unpreventable tetanus, vaccination was actually very effective in inducing serum antitoxin, but serum antitoxin did not appear to have helped preventing tetanus in these unfortunate individuals.

    The occurrence of tetanus despite the presence of antitoxin in the serum should have raised a red flag regarding the rationale of the tetanus vaccination program. But such reports were invariably interpreted as an indication that higher than previously thought levels of serum antitoxin must be maintained to protect from tetanus, hence the need for more frequent, if not incessant, boosters. Then how much higher “than previously thought” do serum levels of antitoxin need to be to ensure protection from tetanus?

    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/07/10/tetanus-shot-how-do-we-know-that-it-works-by-tetyana-obukhanych-phd/

  • Dan Kegel

    A random controlled trial of whether the tetanus vaccine prevents neonatal tetanus is very doable. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2476295/ found that two doses reduced the tetanus neonatorum
    death rate from 7.8 deaths per 100 births to zero.

    So the vaccine works. I don’t think you can use the tetanus experience as an argument against the germ theory of disease. If you still maintain that the germ theory of disease is mistaken, do you have an alternate explanation for why vaccination and sanitation so greatly reduce deaths from neonatal tetanus?

  • Lou

    You Sir seem to think this is a positive thing. I and many others do not. We are aware that HHS is ruled by the eugenic Rockefellers.

    If HHS wants to get rid of something (like sunshine) it is probably salubrious.

  • Lou

    WHY VACCINATED CHILDREN “DON’T DIE”

    “But,” we are told, “the children don’t die.”

    Well, that may be all very well; we will see whether they die or not. Turn to Germany, for instance. During that epidemic I spoke of just now there were 2,140 cases of children under ten who had small-pox, and 736 of them died; there were 1,503 cases vaccinated under five, and there were 573 deaths.

    You may say, “Then why is it they don’t die in this country?”

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_salud/vacunas24_02.gif

    Turn to the Muller’s Orphanage in Bristol. In 1872 there were 740 children, all vaccinated, and 292 cases of small-pox amongst them, and there were 17 deaths. But I can give you the reason, perhaps, why the children don’t die – why vaccinated children don’t die from small-pox so much as we should expect.

    In 1886, for instance, there were 275 cases of small-pox deaths altogether throughout England and Wales; there was only one vaccinated child that died from small-pox under ten years of age, but there were 93 children who died from “chicken-pox.” (Laughter.)

    And the Registrar-General, in commenting upon the fact, declared that nearly, if not all. those cases should have been registered as small-pox, because chicken-pox “never kills “; and Dr. Ogle, the chief in the Registrar-General’s Department, told the Royal Commission as a witness before it, that he had never known chicken-pox kill a child in his life. (Cheers.)

    Why were not they registered as small-pox?

    In 1893, the last published returns we have, there were 127 children who were reported to have died from “chicken-pox”; so perhaps that will explain why “the children don’t die.” (Laughter and cheers.)

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/salud/salud_vacunas24.htm

  • Lou

    This study clearly shows NO “tetanus vaccine” is needed in Columbia. What is required is sanitary birthing conditions.

    Germs can clearly kill when you cut the umbilical cord with a rusty unsterilized knife.

  • Dan Kegel

    You’re quoting the speech “The Case Against Vaccination” from 1896. Its goal was to convince people that vaccination was bad.

    I was quoting, among others, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1707573, “THE EPIDEMIC OF VIRULENT SMALLPOX IN WINDSOR AND THE VICINITY*, by the Minister of Health for the region. Its goal was to give an accurate account of the epidemic from start to finish.

    I don’t know about you, but I suspect the latter kind of source is more objective and trustworthy than the former.

  • Lou

    Dan after thousands of hours of INDEPENDENT study it is MY conclusion that on balance and in almost all instances VACCINATION IS BAD. Not just bad but DAMN BAD, IMMUNOSUPRESSIVE, IMMUNOCOMPROMISING, IMMUNODEPRESSIVE, IMMUNODYSGENIC, bad. It is my conclusion none of this is accidental but INTENTIONAL. Our kid’s immune systems are in the worst shape this country has ever seen. “Vaccination” is a vicious FRAUD; it promises so much and delivers just the opposite. The problem is it does this in the DARK; much of the dark is provided by HHS et al with their dishonest reporting, testing and recommendations.

    HHS takes its POLITICAL ORDERS. from the eugenic Rockefellers et al. Who was the first head of HHS? Who set HHS up with a military organizational structure?

    http://dcp.psc.gov/eccis/documents/CCPM26_3_1.pdf

    You are welcome to use HHS data and come to your OWN conclusions.

  • Dan Kegel

    Do you have any data backing up your assertion?

  • Sidney Crawford

    Kelly Holcomb, it sounds like you are the devil. You are wishing ill on another human being (how very christian of you), and Dan is presenting people with facts to help protect them from a nasty disease. Proven, Scientific Facts. Documented and peer reviewed, placed on display so that others can read them and know the truth.

    “It is estimated that only 1 to 10% of the HPV vaccine-injured are reporting.”
    Estimated by who, based on what facts? 1 to 10%? That’s a pretty big margin. Can’t they be more accurate? After all, they do know better than the doctors a scientists involved with the creation and distribution of the vaccines, don’t they?

    Step down off your pedestal and pick up a book (one based on actual science). I guarantee you will learn something.

  • Blargh

    I’d say smallbox being irradicated from the face of the planet shows that the vaccine was effective

  • Blargh

    you don’t need to look for papers about smallpox vaccine being effective. Smallpox was eradicated from the face of the planet… and you’re looking for a paper?

  • Dan Kegel

    True – but a lot of antivaxxers claim that recent measurements of effectiveness are tainted by Big Pharma, so I wanted to find pre-big-pharma measurements of effectiveness. Of course, no evidence can convince someone whose faith prevents them from believing it, but it’s still nice to have that evidence handy for future debates.

  • AutismDad

    Where’s your proof? The first recipients (victims) have not died of old age yet. And if any were to get cervical cancer you can bet it would be called a “COINCIDENCE” by MERCK

  • AutismDad

    Meaning what? Governments are supportive of the initiative why would they ban them? You logic is terribly flawed.

  • AutismDad

    read the name rhonda, its not a sir

  • AutismDad

    Flawed logic. She answered your stupid question, if you can’t understand her detailed answer that’s your problem Einstein.

  • AutismDad

    catch them? You mean if you are exposed to them? How many people catch rabies my frightened friend? Why don’t you stop fear mongering and do some research and train your brain?

  • AutismDad

    How much do vaccine adverse reactions cost us?

  • Dan Kegel

    She also wrote “If on another hand,you’d place a group of people into the room full of people who are sick,lets say with flu/cold.. and observed how many people will actually get infected if exposed to ”germs”/viruses to prove germ theory wrong..that’s another question altogether.” I believe that’s being tried with Ebola in Africa right now, and is proving germ theory correct. No?

  • AutismDad

    So gullible. Ever actually think how anyone can conclude something that DOESN’T happen? How many other POSSIBLE factors could simultaneously be at work to mitigate those deaths that you and the CDC willingly disregard? Are death rates ALWAYS identical year by year?

  • AutismDad

    What are you even saying?

  • Dan Kegel

    She said that diseases were not catching. I said Ebola is most definitely catching, and it’s caused by a germ, thus proving germ theory correct. Or do you disagree?

  • AutismDad

    Well said by someone well read.

  • AutismDad

    The shell game. Taking credit for something that didn’t happen or might not have happened. Here’s mine, If I go through winter and I’m NEVER exposed to flu I don’t get it. If I had had a flu-vac I’m supposed to credit it for my lack of exposure? When the H1N1 PANDEMIC flopped vaccine makers claimed it was because they rushed their vaccine out (an untested vaccine). Again claiming credit without proof.

  • AutismDad

    That’s the kicker, that the “CONCLUSION” is meaningful and not predictably biased. Rarely happens if at all. But to Dan (DR DUH) Kegel its pure unadulterated science.

  • AutismDad

    Buh Wah Ha Ha

  • AutismDad

    The issue is science/medical research and profit. Nothing wrong with any of them, but when they deny their shortcomings and call their adverse reactions COINCIDENCES and they treat parents as mindless stooges, it becomes science fiction and mad science. These tactics are to avoid lawsuit. When government steps in it gives legitimacy to the vaccine program, but also protection from litigation and criticism. Government promotes science/research for its own needs/gains, so it conspires with those who can provide the science. Once there, there’s no truth, validation, morals, accountability etc necessary, because science provides whether it be good/ bad/or indifferent. Information is what it spews and that leads to other information and on it goes. There is no bad investment, or bad science, because results are guaranteed and those results can be utilized, expanded, sold for profit. Its just plain interesting how vaccines cause autism, and the necessary evil is to deny it in the name of science.

  • Dan Kegel

    The studies I referred to are no shell game. Here’s a concrete example:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23804192 studied frequency of genital warts in 248,403 vaccinated and in about 151,000 unvaccinated girls. The risk in vaccinated girls is much lower (and fell to about zero for the most recent birth cohort). That’s pretty strong evidence that the HPV vaccine prevents genital warts. No?

  • AutismDad

    I’ll let her reply about “what she said”. My search for info on germ theory indicates at least 2 theories, 1 for 1 against. So its likely somewhere in the middle. I think the term “GERM” lends itself to the contraryness of the debate. I think sticking to terms for specific viruses and bacteria which have a clearer history and more extensive research would help one decide. Nothing worse than reading junk science and personal jibberish opinions and then being asked what side you’re on. Like a judge, I’m impartial until such times as a preponderence of some basic evidence is provided.

  • AutismDad

    You’re deluded. It doesn’t say that at all, its your biased summation that it says that. Denmark the USA’S favorite go-to country for vaccine science. Where are the U.S. studies?

  • Dan Kegel

    Yes, there is a whole lot of gibberish out there, and being specific is really helpful. It’s quite possible that the “Germ Theory” that people are arguing against is a strawman. Better to ask about specific diseases.

    So, do you agree with mainstream science that Ebola is caused by a virus, and that people get better if they live long enough for their immune systems to mount a strong response to the virus?

  • AutismDad

    I don’t agree with they way you ask it. I’m not reading much about ebola, but what I’ve heard its near 50% lethal. Why that is is still being speculated and researched. I’ve read that blood from a survivor has saved another ill with it. Again, its hypothetical and they are frantically fighting it. It is no time for conclusions or certainties about any of it. Just like autism, far too much time and money spent on the war of words. Leaders are supposed to lead until we lose faith in them. Letting medical professionals into the USA after caring for Ebola patients shows an extreme lack of medical intelligence on the part of our political and medical leaders, and for that they get failing marks. If they can’t get something as basic as quaratine right, I’ll not trust them at all.

  • Dan Kegel

    Ebola’s been around for a long time, so a fair bit is known already about how it works; see for instance http://jvi.asm.org/content/82/11/5348.short
    And we’ve had working experimental vaccines for ten years, see e.g. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v424/n6949/abs/nature01876.html

    Given the fact that we have working vaccines against Ebola, do you still feel that Ebola is not caused by the virus the vaccine is based on?

    Current CDC guidelines for travelling doctors are pretty good, see http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/advice-humanitarian-aid-organizations-ebola

    Is there a particular problem you see with them?

    (Opinion: A lot of the people who loudly denounce the CDC are the same folks who wanted (and still want!) to defund it, didn’t want to approve a surgeon general, and in general don’t trust government anyway. That’s how it looks from here, anyway.)

  • AutismDad

    You have a definite issue with exaggeration and confusing your personal comprehension with what you post. I read your links. there is NO working vaccine. And I’ve stated CDC et al is allowing infected people into the USA without quarantine, but we hear how dangerous and fatal ebola is, so obviously CDC is run by complete morons. CDC makers and promoters of vaccines….God help us…

  • Dan Kegel

    There’s no approved vaccine, but there are several experimental vaccines that have demonstrated effective protection in primates. Searching for them with
    http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=ebola+vaccine+effective+primate+lethal+challenge
    pulls up a bunch:

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v408/n6812/abs/408605a0.html
    (2000; “Development of a preventive vaccine for Ebola virus infection in primates”),

    http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v11/n7/abs/nm1258.html
    (2005; “Live attenuated recombinant vaccine protects nonhuman primates against Ebola and Marburg viruses”),

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S430.short
    (2007; “Ebola Virus-Like Particle-Based Vaccine Protects Nonhuman Primates against Lethal Ebola Virus Challenge”),

    http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0030177
    (2006; “Immune Protection of Nonhuman Primates against Ebola Virus with Single Low-Dose Adenovirus Vectors Encoding Modified GPs”)

    and so on. So the technology for effective Ebola vaccines’s been there, and working on monkeys, for a decade; all that was missing was the will and the funding to bring some of them all the way through to approval for use on humans. Now that there’s been a major outbreak, a fire has been lit under those efforts, and several companies have put their Ebola vaccines on the front burner…. and maybe in a year there will be something safe and effective enough to give to a million people on an emergency basis. Another year or two after that and we might have a really decent vaccine being widely given. It’s a good thing we had all those experimental vaccines in our back pockets; shame they were stuck in the slow lane for so many years.

    I’m not sure why you say the CDC is run by morons. Have you even looked at their current Ebola guidelines? Do you have any evidence that these guidelines — properly executed by local authorities — are insufficient?

    The Texas experience wasn’t great, probably because of lack of preparation, but you can bet your ass that most major cities are running the right drills now. And the two infected nurses have now recovered; it seems that early detection, treatment, and as you pointed out, giving antiserum from survivors, are really helping.

  • Dan Kegel

    Here’s a direct quote from the Danish paper: “The relative risk of GWs among girls who had received at least 1 dose of vaccine compared with unvaccinated girls was 0.12, 0.22, 0.25, and 0.62 for those born in 1995-1996, 1993-1994, 1991-1992, and 1989-1990, respectively (P for trend < .0001). No GWs occurred among vaccinated girls in the youngest birth cohort (1997-1999)."

    Here's another Danish paper, from 2013:
    http://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/Abstract/2013/02000/Significant_Decrease_in_the_Incidence_of_Genital.10.aspx
    said "Stratifying on age, a significant decline was seen only for young women, particularly those aged 16 to 17 years, in whom GWs were virtually eliminated (average annual percentage change, −45.3%; 95% CI, −55.8 to −33.3). The incidences of genital Chlamydia, syphilis, and gonorrhea were stable or increased during the study period."

    Australia also has a strong HPV vaccination program. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23599298 studied STD clinic patients, and said "in 2011, among 235 women under 21 years of age who reported prior vaccination, none was found to have genital warts (upper end of 95% confidence interval 1.5%). Furthermore, among 161 unvaccinated women aged under 21 in 2009-11, only 7.3% (4/55) were found to have genital warts in 2011". This while chlamydia in the same age group has been increasing; evidently they're not having less or safer sex. So it appears that vaccinated girls under age 21 in Australia are also at near zero risk for genital warts compared to their unvaccinated peers.

    So I stand by my summary. Countries that have high (80%) HPV vaccination among girls are experiencing huge annual declines in genital warts among young women, such that genital warts are being "virtually eliminated" in those born after about 1997.

    Given the above, do you actually doubt that HPV causes genital warts, and that the vaccine is effective against them?

    The US doesn't have good coverage – well under half of US girls get fully vaccinated on schedule – so the declines are slower here. (Coverage might be higher in the military, though. http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/23461306 studied genital warts among US military personnel, and said "Incidence rates of GW diagnoses markedly declined among female service members in the HPV4 vaccine-eligible age range from 2007 (following introduction of the HPV4 vaccine) through 2010." )

  • AutismDad

    Obviously you are gullible and take anything at face value. They can and do make bogus statements and provide bogus research to push this product. That’s the real world Dan, sorry to inform you that you’ve been conned.

  • Dan Kegel

    If you automatically filter out any science that disagrees with your position, you’re unlikely to discover your own mistakes.

    There are simply too many independent studies confirming that HPV causes genital warts and cervical cancer for them to be due to some evil conspiracy on the part of Merck.

    Some of the key studies *predate* Merck’s involvement. For instance, in 1896 (!), it was demonstrated that warts were transmissible; in 1907, it was demonstrated that they can be transmitted by something smaller than a bacterium; and in 1983, it was demonstrated that HPV is present in both warts and cervical cancer. (See http://hpv.kegel.com/warts/ for links.)

    You’re welcome to stick your head back in the sand, but science and medicine will continue marching forward, curing diseases with vaccines whether you admit the diseases are caused by germs or not.

  • AutismDad

    whatever Don Quiote