Bully Nurse Harasses Parents of Unvaccinated Baby at Michigan Hospital

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A nurse at a Michigan urgent care center recently berated parents in front of other patients for not vaccinating their baby, arguably violating a federal law that guarantees patients’ right to privacy. Her unprofessional behavior committed a great disservice to nurses everywhere, her employer, and especially the parents who visited the Detroit Medical Center Surgery Hospital in Madison Heights with their son.

According to the parents, who were seeking medical attention for their eight month-old baby, “Oliver,” the nurse who was stationed at the admitting desk diagnosed their son with chicken pox and announced fabricated details about their son’s medical condition to the other patients who were awaiting care.

While Oliver’s parents were waiting for their turn to visit with a doctor, the nurse pointed at their baby and  announced to other patients in the waiting room, “This child is unvaccinated!” She then directed the other patients to move to an adjacent waiting room.

Her negligence reached a dangerous level when she urged the parents to vaccinate their son, who was ill at the time.

According to Oliver’s parents, hospital personnel at the Detroit Medical Center Surgery Hospital have failed to respond to repeated attempts to discuss this nurse’s willful misconduct. Oliver’s parents have spoken with a lawyer.

What Good Parents Do

On November 23, 2013, Baby Oliver awoke with cold symptoms and a low fever, the same symptoms his mom was also exhibiting. During that day, Oliver also developed a rash on his face that “resembled acne.” His mom spoke with an after-hours nurse for their pediatrician’s office, who recommended that Oliver see a healthcare provider at an urgent care clinic.

They decided to follow her advice. You might not believe what happened next in the waiting room. Before I tell you about that disturbing story, I would like you to tell you about Oliver’s parents.

Oliver’s parents are first time parents. Their son had been extremely healthy in his eight happy months of life. In fact, he had never been sick. For the first time, his parents were facing the decision that many parents must make when their child isn’t feeling well: Should we take him to the doctor? Oliver’s mom shared:

“We are first time parents, so we wanted to get him checked out for our own peace of mind. We had, at that time, been letting his fever burn and comforting him, nursing him, keeping him hydrated and rested. He had a cold. He was congested and had a mild fever. I was not really concerned about him and wanted to wait until our doctor opened to take him to see our pediatrician, but my husband was nervous and so I agreed to take him in and have him looked at. I thought, what could be the harm?”

Oliver’s parents believe he has enjoyed such good health because of their decision not to vaccinate. It was a decision they did not make lightly. In fact, prior to her pregnancy, Oliver’s mother believed that vaccines were mandatory and didn’t expect she would have a choice about vaccination.

Her midwife and doula were instrumental in the transformation she experienced, as they told her she had a choice about vaccination. She began studying vaccines and their ingredients. She engaged in detailed research that may indeed surpass the heights of professionals who are paid to practice medicine.

Her efforts weren’t motivated by medical school requirements, but rather, great love for her child and a desire to keep him healthy and safe. You can sense wisdom and kindness in the words that she shared with VacTruth about her informed decision not to vaccinate:

“I never realized that vaccines were not mandatory until I became pregnant. I sought a natural birth, and birthed with midwives at a birth center. I took natural birthing classes and hired a doula. I wanted a gentle birth and I knew that at the time of birth I did not want any interruptions or traumatizations immediately, or days following his birth.

My doula and birth educator were the first to discuss vaccine options with me. Neither one of them vaccinated any of their children. I started doing my research and decided the best choice for us was to delay vaccines and wait until our baby was older. So, after he was born he received none of the vaccines, or the vitamin K shot, or the eye antibiotics, and we did not circumcise, either.

I continued doing my research. And then I did more research and am still researching. I probably never will stop.

My husband and I came to the obvious conclusion that the risks of vaccines outweighed any potential benefit. I read scholarly articles, research papers, the CDC ['s website], package inserts, spoke to health professionals, studied the immune system, studied each disease individually, and the treatments for such diseases.

I still research and read all of these things, and more. I am active in anti-vaccine groups and I encourage others to do their research as well. And I mean research, not reading blogs and anecdotal stories about others’ experiences. I have an arsenal of data bookmarked that I am willing to share with anyone who asks or challenges me.

I believe that vaccines should be a choice, and that this “war” needs to stop. It’s fruitless. I pray that people will educate themselves with both sides of the vaccine agenda and make the choice for themselves. I support anyone who makes an educated decision no matter what side they are on. Parenting is hard enough; we should be supporting each other.”

What Bad Nurses Do

So, armed with vast knowledge about vaccination and good health, Mom and Dad took their baby boy to DMC Surgery Hospital, expecting competent medical attention from a facility that offers a 29-minute guarantee for patients visiting their urgent care clinic.

Mom and Dad did everything right. They made their decision to vaccinate in a careful, educated manner. They comforted their baby when he wasn’t feeling well. They decided to seek medical care when they weren’t sure what was causing their son’s symptoms of illness.

In a 41-minute time period, their hopes of seeking reassurance for Oliver’s symptoms turned into a story you will read with disbelief and shock, as a nurse named Lauren ridiculed them and embarrassed them in front of other patients.

The harassment began at the admitting desk, when Lauren asked Oliver’s parents if he was vaccinated. When they told her no, she asked them, “Why?” in an exasperated tone. They opted to answer her question, explaining politely that they chose not to vaccinate their son.

Lauren responded sarcastically, “Well, you are are going to have a lot of fun with measles and mumps, too!”

With her bold words and actions, Lauren disregarded the right to privacy for Oliver and his family, as well as the right of other patients to keep their personal medical information confidential. She told Oliver’s family that another woman in the waiting area was pregnant, then told the pregnant woman:

“Ma’am, you have to go to the to the other lobby. This child is unvaccinated! We need everyone to move out of this lobby and get away from him. He has chicken pox.”

The Health Insurance Portability and Privacy Act, established in 1996 and commonly known as HIPAA, prevents health care workers and others from sharing personal medical information. Lauren may have violated this federal law in favor of pushing her vaccine agenda. [1]

Many doctors pledge to follow the Hippocratic Oath to “do no harm.” In a similar manner, nurses honor the Florence Nightingale pledge, named after a nurse who is known as the founder of modern nursing and famous for her compassionate care. Lauren’s words and actions were unacceptable and traumatizing to Oliver’s parents, and more than that, they violated health care oaths, common sense, patient confidentiality rules, and moral guidelines.

This Nurse’s Most Dangerous Mistake

Amazingly, I have not yet told you one of the most troubling parts of this family’s story. Lauren, in her haste to push her pro-vaccine beliefs on Oliver and his family, was extremely negligent in her repeated desire for his parents to vaccinate him, especially against chicken pox.

Oliver was too young for the chicken pox vaccine.

According to the guidelines established by vaccine manufacturers and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the varicella vaccine against chicken pox is indicated for children ages 12 months and older. [2] At the time of his visit to DMC Surgery Hospital, Oliver was only eight months old.

Furthermore, according to the US government, as well as the thirteen-page package insert from a varicella vaccine, vaccination against chicken pox is not recommended for children who are exhibiting signs of illness or fever.[3, 4]

Oliver’s cold symptoms, fever, and skin rash, as well as his young age, clearly indicated that he should not receive a vaccine against chicken pox, or any other vaccine, until he returned to good health.

The Rest of the Story

Fortunately, Oliver’s mom was armed with the confidence she had developed during the countless hours she spent researching vaccines, as well as the strong support of her husband. Together, they decided to leave the urgent care facility when Nurse Lauren admonished them:

“This woman here is pregnant and I can’t risk her being near your son. It is irresponsible of you to have him around other people.”

When Oliver’s parents told Lauren they were leaving the hospital and seeking care for their son elsewhere, she told them, “Good!” but not before she tried to give them printed information she had highlighted by hand about the dangers of chicken pox and the importance of the vaccine their son was too young to receive, in front of a second waiting room of people, which may have explained why Oliver’s wait had surpassed the 29-minute guarantee.

The parents left the urgent care facility in Madison Heights, driving forty minutes to West Bloomfield with their son, whose fever had subsided, to visit another urgent care facility. At Henry Ford Hospital, their son was immediately cleared of his false chicken pox diagnosis, and he also tested negative for influenza. He was properly diagnosed with a “slight cold” and minor “skin irritation.”

Conclusion

First of all, let me say, I believe that the majority of nurses are highly skilled, compassionate, hard-working health care professionals. For their long hours and their special touches, there is no adequate way to convey sufficient gratitude and respect.

However, for nurses like Lauren, there is no excuse for such inappropriate behavior. You can’t blame it on a bad day, or a long shift, or a lack of judgement. She violated moral guidelines. She violated principles of common sense. She failed to respect patient confidentiality. She may have even violated federal law. She negligently recommended a vaccine that was contraindicated for a child who was too young to receive that vaccine.

Would you also agree that she failed to adhere the standards her employer, DMC Surgery Hospital, and her colleagues in the nursing field, likely expect her to meet?

This is not the first time in recent months that parents have been harassed and ridiculed by health care “professionals” because of their child’s vaccination status. Perhaps you remember the story of the nurse who wrote “LOSER” on a note directed at a mother who brought her unvaccinated nine month-old to the hospital after he hurt his ankle. [5]

If you are reading this article and you are a parent, perhaps for the first time like Oliver’s parents, you might be wondering, what can I do? How can I protect my child from unnecessary and dangerous vaccines? What should I do if I ever encounter a nurse like Lauren?

You are not helpless in this situation. Oliver’s mom shared very powerful words of advice in the hopes that her family’s unfortunate experience might help other parents. She told me:

“Honestly, if my husband weren’t right there next to me reminding me to be calm, I would have clawed that nurse’s eyes out. I was ANGRY! I still am. I am so grateful he was there because me reacting any differently … this would end up being a very different story.

Keeping calm in times like these is very important. People who don’t vaccinate are labeled as crazy. I would hate to behave in a way that would lend any credibility to that belief. I constantly feel I need to bring my big guns with me when I go out in case I come in contact with someone who believes differently than I do. I don’t want to feel this way.

I’m not an idiot. I think for myself and do my research. Our choices are what is right for our family, and if your choices are different than mine and work for you, then by all means, carry on! I want to live in a society where people support one another, not tear each other down for being different.”

If you want to empower yourself with knowledge, as Oliver’s mom has done, she recommends reading How To Raise a Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor by Dr. Mendelsohn. You can also download a list of vaccine ingredients to educate yourself and others about the dangerous chemicals contained in vaccines, so you have knowledge and power when faced with the decision to vaccinate, or when faced with an ignorant nurse.

 

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  • jenny

    it is about $$$…..

  • onenhm

    There is no national vaccine data base I would not recommend
    telling any hospital that you did not immunize there are plenty of children who are immunized who catch disease after they get there shots. I am not much for lying but Saying they have all there shots that are required you really are not lying for the most part only schools require them and then I believe most states have exemptions and your child’s info is private medical info that you may or may not give at your discretion..

  • susie

    i had my chicken pox vaccine when i was young but i still caught it when i was 30 years old…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Erwin-Alber/548856074 Erwin Alber

    Thanks for reporting this incident!

    I too highly recommend the book ‘How to raise a healthy child .. in spite of your doctor’. This is a wonderful source of information in my opinion every parent should have a copy of. .
    http://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/how-to-raise-a-healthy-child-in-spite-of-your-doctor-dr-robert-mendelsohn-md/

  • Dallas

    Maybe I’m just a little too “simple minded” but it seems like to me, that even if the baby did have the chickenpox – according to all the “Pro-vaccine literature” the child should pose NO THREAT to the other people in the waiting room – unless of course – They don’t trust their own vaccinations – HMMM!
    I had every vaccine out there when I was a kid – I also had just about every disease they are supposed to prevent! When I had kids, I chose to not vaccinate them simply on the grounds that 95% of the material at the public library and health department were against vaccines. Today, I have learned much more and have confirmation that I made the RIGHT choice. What is the big deal about chickenpox, mumps, measles, whooping cough, etc? My children have all had them (not even as bad as I had them) and there are natural remedies to lessen and heal them – without pumping poison into your bloodstream!

  • Madeleine Innocent

    Being vaccinated is dangerous enough but many times more so if you are already exhibiting symptoms, as even Big Parma knows.

  • Deborah Bugden

    Graduating nursing school does not guarantee intelligence….I have noticed that the medical professionals that I know , and I know quite a few, are some of the most unhealthy people I know… sadly.

  • Deborah Bugden

    if I was in that waiting room, I would have moved myself to sit beside this family, I don’t think any of my kids have had chicken pox yet, if they did it was a very mild case, and I would really like them to be exposed to it!

  • Maria

    When are laws going to be enacted nationwide that prevent against this type of abuse??

  • Ivet Flexon

    Thanks for sharing your story but nurse harassment goes beyond un vaccinated children. Last year my husband who had pneumonia (doctors wouldn’t confirm if it was viral or bacterial, so he refused anti-biotics and actually lived!) went to the emergency room for a herniated disc. While the nurse was asking what was wrong he told her about what he thought was a cold at the time, immediately she asked him if he had the flu shot, when he told her NO, she told him that was the reason he was ill and that he deserved it! True story folks!

  • Chad

    When the pharmaceutical companies stop running the gov’t….

  • nancy

    you did not have a chicken pox vaccine because the vaccine did not come out until 1995. I’m 29 years old and I caught the chicken pox when I was 4 years old.

  • nancy

    What I don’t understand is how the parents remained cool and collected. I would have ripped that nurse apart

  • Ann Mary Garcia

    The problem is, people don’t want to stay home with their children or have their children home from school with an illness. They can’t deal with their children when they are well, let alone if they are ill and don’t want to take the chance of them not being dumped in daycare or school. What they don’t realize is putting this poison in leaves your children sicker more often instead of maybe a 2 week virus.

  • Ann Mary Garcia

    I used to agree with you, but I have realized its high time for us to start taking a stand. The harassment normally stops when I ask them to list the ingredients, what the common names for the ingredients are and what the side-effects of those ingredients are. I tell them I can name them and ask if they can. They normally walk away in a huff. They don’t like when information is thrown at them that they don’t know. Easier to harass sheep.

  • DrKeteDC

    First, do no harm. They don’t believe in this anymore. There must be caring , sympathetic nurses out there but they are getting fewer. Power mad.

  • Name

    My daughter just recently was able as a Labor and delivery travel nurse to reject the mandated Pertussin vaccine at Shipley Hospital in DC… This was the second time they tried to make her take a vaccine after she had signed the contract for the assignment.. The policy this hospital follows is very illogical. in that the permanent nursing staff has an option to vaccinate or wear a mask while the travel nurses are denied this option… Just recently the Mid wife I work with who was first a typical nurse in labor and delivery for 25 years used abusive and disrespectful tactics to shame a mom who had just delivered, I was her doula and childbirth educator into allowing her to administer the vitamin K shot to her new-born. The mom told her more than three times NO, but the mid-wife berrated her into against the mom’s wishes and forcibly gave the shot to the newborn.. I was very upset… that my mid-wife would use such tactics. The vitamin K shot is not needed… read The Dark side of the vit. K shot by Dr. Mercola… I love my job and do not want to lose it … I provide women with lots of information about vaccines and nutrition besides the typical Lamaze type of childbirth education. Furthermore, it has taken me 9 yrs. to get this Mid-wife to agree that the Hep.B vaccine is not needed for infants and to consider that vaccines have risks… especially if given to pregnant women… it has been a struggle… and now her EGO is trying to hang onto the unnecessary vitamin K shot. It is not just traditional medical professionals hanging on to misinformation but professionals in NON-traditional medical health care as well… My mid-wife is a great proponent for Natural Childbirth but when it comes to other areas of medicine such as vaccines, she as old as the oldest fossil ever found… Houston

  • elnura

    I live in Michigan and I have run into bulling nurses at Dr. appt. I never go to the Dr. regularly since a drug interaction caused by the Drs which affects my health to this day and this happened in 1999. In order to maintain our insurance coverage a yearly Dr. visit is mandatory. For those ACA opponents-this was PRE-ACA so don’t go there. At the mandatory visit last year the nurse taking my vitals looked at my chart and noticed I’d not had Flu shots or a mammogram and made comment. I told her that was correct. She began to speak about the 36,000 people a year that die from Flu and I corrected her with data I’d obtained from the CDC National Vital Statics Report and told her it was a outrageous lie to scare the public. She just looked at me. She moved onto the mammogram. I told her NO, it was not open for discussion. She said “well, what’s the matter with you you want to die of breast cancer? I looked her straight in the eye and said I don’t intend to die from anything medical industry related which is why I don’t take mammograms, which studies has demonstrated as the number one cause of breast cancer-nor do I take vaccines-which cause cancer. I told her all the ingredients in the Flu shots and others. She couldn’t get a word in. She hits me with “well, the medical journals say”. I cut her off and asked which journals-the AMA ones owned by the pharmaceutical companies or the ones published with ghost writers of the pharmaceutical industry. She began to speak and I told her “we’re done”. As I left the room she blurts out “I’m just doing my job” and I turned and told her “without a conscious you’re just a mouthpiece for the pharmaceutical industry”.
    Later in the week when I went back to pickup paperwork this nurse saw me, went in a room and closed the door. The receptionist told me I really shook her up because patients don’t argue with Drs and nurses. I said patients forget or don’t know, Drs and nurses work for them.

    The moral of this story is:
    -Doctors and nurses work for you, they are not Gods.
    -Always engage them, especially when they began to bully you.
    -When they began bullying you, pull out a pen and pad of paper and ask them what the full name is, what position do they hold, what their employee number is, who is the head of the hospital or clinic, what are the hours they normally work and any other information that identifies them. They usually back off.
    -Film the encounter with you camera phone and put it on youtube. This is happening too often.
    -Know you information and actually dispel the lies that are being told.
    -Michigan is a state that allows 3 exemptions. Philosophical, medical and religious. She should have told them.
    -All vaccine package inserts state if a child is obviously ill, DO NOT ADMINISTER: If the Drs don’t abide by this just start asking why are they not following the information in the insert and why are they trying to hurt the child. Turn the situation back on them.

    People start standing up because if you are passive you are not only helping the vaccine industry and CDC take control of your life, you are putting not only yourself but others at risk. In Michigan, the republican agenda is to take control of the people in the state by any means. Rights are being taking away through the work of the medical lobbyist in Lansing. This is probably going on across the country. Time time take a stand.

  • Bill

    When they will sign a guarantee to be liable for all damages they incur as pharma is immune from its phony liabilities and the costs are thrown back on the parents This nurse should be given a law suit under the fullest extent of the law and damages collected and she should be fired for unprofessional arrogant uninformed behavior that when all is said and done is really a eugenics program no other way to put it! TO DO THIS TO A PAYING CUSTOMER IS THAT IS NOT HARMING ANYONE ELSE AS ALL OTHERS ARE SUPPOSEDLY VACCINATED THEN WHATS THE RIDICULE FOR THEY MUST NEED THE MONEY!!!! I worked in this environment for 24 years and there is a reason WHY there is no cures!!! Screw this institution that has no cures and by the way FIND A GOOD NATURALPATHIC DOCTOR AND WATCH YOUR HEALTH SOAR as allopathic doctors are only trains in drugs and surgery for a reason too keep them DUMBED DOWN!!!!

  • frank

    Be forewarned: When the Clintons were running for office back in the 80s, one of their goals was a vaccine data base (within a healthcare plan similar to Obamacare.) Fortunately, this “dream” faded, waiting patiently to be revised another year. And now behold as others are clamoring for just such a list, complete with repercussions for “non-compliance”. Keep a watchful eye on your state legislators, especially in Michigan. They will do what you let them.

  • frank

    I’d like to know what libraries and especially health depts YOU go to where any material against vaccines is available. I am ALWAYS looking for this info so as to share with other like-minded parents/grandparents/caregivers/new nurses/etc.
    In following this topic on other sites and threads, I’ve noticed an increase in the belief that the adjuvants in vaccines are removed prior to shipping to distributors. Without appropriate documentation I cannot effectively argue against their point. Anyone out there that can help?

  • Ami

    I am a nurse in Florida. Sadly, I have to admit, that in the PAST, I have felt somewhat like this nurse “Lauren.” The difference is that I would NEVER pass my beliefs on to my patients, but there was a lot of talking that went on behind the patient. Many, years have passed since I have felt this way. I too have educated MYSELF on the dangers of vaccines, other drugs, and big Pharma. I certainly didn’t learn this in school or on the job in the past 25 years. I have refused the flu vaccine since it became MANDATORY 2 years ago, at my hospital. I am still given the option to wear a mask when within 6 feet of my patients. Which I willingly do. I even get a bit of flack from my coworkers, but if nothing else they are getting a bit of education whether they know it or not. I feel very hypocritical when asking my patients if they have had the flu vaccine and, if not, offering it to them. Luckily, I’m not the one that has to do the injecting. But I do give information to those who ask me why I didn’t take the vaccine. And I don’t say anything negative to the ones whom have already received or want the vaccine. By me wearing the mask, it usually brings up some dialog about the flu shot, which I am happy to say I am now hearing more and more of my patients refusing and giving me negative feedback. I hope this means that more people are starting to educate and stand up for themselves, especially when it comes to their body. NO ONE should be BULLIED when it comes to their health or the health of their children!

  • frank

    So sad. I too see this every day.

  • mommia

    I’d like to know what data you obtained from the CDC Vital Statistics, because from what i can see, she’s not far off.

  • Steve B

    the satanic elite do not play games; turn off the tv, turn off the reality tv shows and sport, read, love, create, admire beauty … and dont take any vaccines ever

  • sabelmouse

    and sometimes frighteningly stupid.

  • sabelmouse

    you’d expect all doctors and nurses to know this!

  • Rosel

    I hope the parents follow this up legally and get this nurse fired and report her HIPPA violation to the state board of nursing. This should not be let go!!!!!

  • Pequot

    This is becoming rampant– the drug companies are doing their job at indoctrination with the medical establishment. I am sure this ‘nurse’ may have been to young to realize that CP, Measles, and mumps are not deadly diseases and her hysterical reaction was over the top.

  • Truth

    So this nurse is practicing medicine without a license by diagnosing this child with chicken pox. This is even more offensive than the deplorable medical system currently in place to “save” us. It’s clear there is no need to call in any swat team or FDA thugs, because “they” have effectively brainwashed the masses to police each other. Ah, mind control is an amazing tool.

  • Violet Sunderland

    Our local library has a stack of pamphlets on a shelf near the entrance, all full of the pro-vax propaganda. I feel our only recourse is not only to educate ourselves but to speak up when our family, friends and neighbors say anything on the topic such as making an appt to get jabbed. Like the attitude of the young mother in this article, keep it cool and caring, not confrontational or negative. Second point, the more we boycott anything that can harm our wellness, the greater the impact and we need all the recruits we can get in order to make a dent in what’s going on today. It’s our country. It *is* possible to turn this thing around! Urge others to read the comments sections of articles like this one so they won’t feel like they’re alone but make them aware there are paid shills/trolls attacking commenters just about everywhere and they can get pretty obnoxious. Learn and educate. Don’t let the knowledge stop with you.

  • razzaluna

    My sister is suffering from severe liver dysfunction. When she went to the Emergency Room, she was told that she couldn’t be admitted without first getting a flu shot., Can someone please tell me how injecting mercury and formaldehyde into a person with a failing liver is beneficial? This can only tax the liver and add additional burden. I’m just hoping she survives. Hospitals nowadays seem to be places you never exit from…

  • Vanessa

    Wow, this story is insane. I love Dr Mendelsohn’s book. I wish he was still alive today!

  • Ben Musclow

    In the article the woman mentions that she has an “arsenal of data bookmarked that I am willing to share with anyone who asks or challenges me.” Would it be possible to have this posted for others to read and use if confronted?

  • Bill

    Here is some real research of cause and effect of flue vaccines that might shed more light! http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/01/03/flu-shot-increase-flu.aspx#!

  • lonebear

    Lawyer

  • dishalo

    I say to everyone. “If your child has had their vaccinations you don’t need to worry about my child being sick, if the vaccine truly works, you and your children do not need to worry about catching it, right?”

    The ignorance and gullibility is increasing, daily.

  • Steve B

    agreed; why would an unvaccinated child ever be a threat to a vaccinated child? keeping eating the gmo food, fluoride and aspartame

  • Eme

    No matter where you stand on the vaccination issue, this is a story that everyone can relate to. The nurse had no right to do what she did. I hope she is blacklisted from the profession.

  • elnura

    In the 2011-12 Flu season there are only to date 18 confirmed influential deaths. That is deaths confirmed by testing, not based on symptoms. There has NEVER been 36,000 death from the flu in contemporary times. Before you buy into the PR machinery of the CDC and big pharma go check out the CDC’s National Vital Statics Report. Everyone born in the US, every illness is
    documented, every death is documented and what the person died from is there. I frequently check the NVSR because they numbers are always being adjusted. This is the official record, not the morbidity report the CDC likes to refer to. Check it out yourself. The confirmed FLU deaths state confirmed. For years the CDC has been designating “any” death during Flu season as death by Flu: Flu deaths reality check: Credibility of flu models disputed By Kelly Crowe, CBC News. http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2012/11/22/flu-deaths-crowe.html. Without the number of actual LAB TESTS confirmed Flu deaths the question remains exactly how many people died from the Flu.

    Influenza
    Mortality Rate

    Year

    1979 609

    1981 3006

    1983 1431

    1985 2054

    1987 632

    1989 1593

    199 1137

    1993 1044

    1995 606

    1996 745

    1997 720

    1998 1724

    1999 1665

    2000 1765

    2001 257

    2002 727

    2003 1792

    2004 1100

    2005 1,812 confirmed?

    2006 849 confirmed ?

    2007 411 conformed ?

    2008 16 confirmed?

    2009 48 total 28 unconfirmed as Flu

    2010 500 or 49 16 confirmed as Flu (2 pages given)

    2012 18 confirmed

    Keep in mind these deaths are out of a population of 300 million. CDC doesn’t like to give out the exact “confirmed” number because it doesn’t support their 36,000 a year die from the flu mantra they have been chanting since 2000.

    1. Flu deaths are attributed primarily to bacterial pneumonia
    triggered by the flu symptoms. The flu itself cannot kill you.

    2. Most victims of the flu are those 65 years and older.

    3. In almost every instance a compromised immune system is a key factor in those victims who succumb to the flu.

  • Dallas

    It was just the local library at that point in Hendersonville NC. It had books by doctors, RNs, and other medical personel and authorities that I felt were legitimate sources. That was many years ago, so I don’t know if they still have those books now.

    The CDC papers and handouts from the health department were more of “use some common sense” documents that listed potential symptoms of each disease, then on the back they listed potential symptoms of the vaccine for the disease – and the lists were identical. So in other words, do you want to take the chance that your child will get a fever of 105 from a natural disease, or would you rather inject foreign material into their little bloodstream and increase the likelihood of your child getting a fever of 105?!?!

    Of course, it does seem like “common sense” is getting harder to find these days!

    You might find our documentary interesting to watch, although it is not solely on vaccines, but they are talked about in it.

    http://www.swiftrunnerministries.com/invading-the-castle-of-the-dragon-series.php

    or

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gDnDE_WpU8

  • elnura

    people don’t want to stay home with their children

    I could not have stated it better.

  • St_Ann

    I live in Canada where vaccination is voluntary. I was pressured into being vaccinated, and I asked the nurse practitioner about legal liability. She admitted that if I developed adverse reactions, I could not sue the health care system or the vaccine manufacturer. I then asked if she would personally guarantee the vaccine was safe for me and that she would financially compensate me. She backed off as if I held a frame thrower. Folks, always refer to LAW. You may not be able to argue with them on medical grounds, but they are scared of legal liability.

  • elnura

    If anyone would like to drop the hospital’s CEO a line or two here is the info:

    President contact: https://www.dmc.org/contactus/presidentcontact.aspx
    https://www.facebook.com/DMCSurgeryHospital

    Facebook would be the best place to post a comment. If you choose to do so please keep a few things in mind:

    -Be polite
    -Use names of nurse and date: November 23, 2013.
    -Personally I would not state I read about the incident on a website as there may be some legalities involved.
    -Let the hospital know Michigan allows vaccine exemption and that they hospital and their representative nurse violated the legal and civil rights of the parents and their child.

    I don’t have facebook so I will be writing to the president. This is not the first incident of medical professional bullying and it certainly will not be the last. What the Vaccine Industry/CDC fear is exposure. People who are being abused for practicing their rights need to be let other know-regardless of what side of the issue you’re on, this could happen to you in any situation.

  • elnura

    In the 2011-12 Flu season there are only to date 18 confirmed influential deaths

    That should say “influenza” deaths.

  • Michelle Goldstein

    Thanks for the good article, Missy. Here is a resource to help readers find a health care practitioner who will support one’s choice not to vaccinate. http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/providers.pdf

  • Suzette Frazee

    What is even more ignorant of that nurse is the fact that they do not normally vaccinate for chicken pox until 1 year.

  • alexj_03@hotmail.com

    Children who aren’t vaccinated are a threat to newborn infants, elderly, and people with cancer or aids since their immune systems are weak. Keep blowing money on gluten free “organic” food made in China.

  • Lisa Smith

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/mvsr.htm look at final mortality statistics http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/nvsr.htm these two links will give you back to 1970. and on average since 1970 only 1,880 a year have died from the flu. I pulled all the records and compiled them into a spread sheet. Do not look at the combined pneumonia and flu deaths. Look for the page that separates them into a pneumonia total and a flu total.

  • Lisa Smith

    because one of the ratings the hospital receives is on how many people they vaccinate in the Emergency Room. it is not about the health of the patient, it is about their ratings.

  • frank

    Back in the ’80s I came across some stats showing that as a population, nurses had the highest smoking rates. How’s THAT for healthy NOT?

  • frank

    I’ve already looked into a similar scenario and was told by several healthcare attorneys that denying care or admission to a patient who did not have a flu shot was illegal–anywhere in the U.S.

  • http://trevor.dekoekkoek.net Trevor de Koekkoek

    Nonsense. Actually newly vacinnated children are a threat to newborns and the elderly. It even says on many vaccine inserts to avoid contact with them. The varicella vaccine from Merck warns: “Avoid contact with high-risk individuals susceptible to varicella because of possible transmission of varicella vaccine virus.”
    Both vaccinated an unvacinnated alike can carry disease whether symptomatic or not. You unscientific scare-mongerers need to do some basic homework.

  • Josie

    I hope they sue the hospital and THAT NURSE!!!! What an ill-informed IDIOT!

  • Josie

    you’re a special kind of stupid, huh!

  • elnura

    you’re a special kind of stupid, huh!

    I confirm your assessment of alexj.

  • elnura

    This is the official site that documents everything and I think is more reliable than the reports you have posted although they are also valuable. This site is not as clean to look at, lots of small print but the breakdown of illnesses is listed more clearly-IMHO. You need to go back to the site on a regularly basis because the data changes. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf

  • Steve B

    top doctors at big pharma have admitted on record that some vaccines contain cancer-viruses….. never take it, never

  • Steve B

    so you buy inorganic food made where then? – vaccines do not prevent disease…you believe vaccines stopped polio? smallpox? there is literally no science to support that, but all pseudo-scientific nonsense – do you at least concede the fact that vaccines have killed and paralysed children, all over the world? do you concede the fact top doctors at big pharma have admitted on the record they put cancer-viruses into vaccines? do you concede the fact that mercury in vaccines could be linked to autism, considering it isthe MOST toxic non-radioactive substance on the planet? keep eating your Mcdonalds

  • Steve B

    agreed – but vaccines do nothing to prevent disease….. smallpox and polio were not irradicated because of vaccines… their disease rates were dropping before the vaccine was released….., regardless of the science, when the government claims more right of your children than the parents, you are living in a slave-state, regardless of how many cable tv stations you have and fast-food outlets

  • malka miller

    It is an urgent care

  • Roxanne

    Your assertion shows how programed you are to swallow
    baseless vaccine propaganda. It’s the vaccination
    process which bypasses the foremost barriers of the immune system; violates the still developing blood-brain barrier and induces demyelination and synergistic toxicity with its soup of toxic contaminants that is a threat to a baby, potentially leading to a whole slew of conditions from SIDS, allergies, ear infections, asthma, diabetes, learning and behavioral problems visual and hearing impairment, meningitis and so on… And yes, beyond even
    the appalling SV-40 polio vaccine connection to untold numbers of cancer victims, cancer in general…

    Vaccines, Leukemia and Lymphomas:

    Bichel, “Post-vaccinial Lymphadenitis Developing into Hodgkin’s Disease”, Acta Med Scand, 1976, Vol 199, p523-525.

    Stewart, AM, et al, “Aetiology of Childhood Leukaemia”, Lancet, 16 Oct, 1965, 2:789-790.

    Glathe, H et al, “Evidence of Tumorigenic Activity of Candidate Cell Substrate in Vaccine Production by the Use of Anti-Lymphocyte Serum”, Development Biol Std, 1977, 34:145-148.

    Bolognesi, DP, “Potential Leukemia Virus Subunit Vaccines: Discussion”, Can Research, Feb 1976, 36(2 pt 2):655-656.

    Colon, VF, et al, “Vaccinia Necrosum as a Clue to Lymphatic Lymphoma”, Geriatrics, Dec 1968, 23:81-82.

    Park-Dincsoy, H et al, “Lymphoid Depletion in a case of Vaccinia Gangrenosa”, Laval Med, Jan 1968, 39:24-26.

    Hugoson, G et al, “The Occurrence of Bovine Leukosis Following the Introduction of Babesiosis Vaccination”, Bibl Haemat, 1968, 30:157-161.

    Hartstock, , “”Post-vaccinial Lymphadenitis: Hyperplasia of Lymphoid Tissue That Simulates Malignant Lymphomas”, Apr 1968, Cancer, 21(4):632-649.

    Allerberger, F, “An Outbreak of Suppurative Lymphadenitis Connected with BCG Vaccination in Austria- 1990/1991,” Am Rev Respir Disorder, Aug 1991, 144(2) 469.

    Omokoku B, Castells S, “Post-DPT inoculation cervical lymphadenitis in children.” N Y State J Med 1981 Oct;81(11):1667-1668

  • Roxanne

    Good point that unfortunately the vaccine propaganda machine runs so deep that midwives who should know better could actually agree with giving
    the Hep B vaccine to newborns. I suggest printing this up and passing this
    on to those midwives who are still in the dark ages.
    http://thinktwice.com/s_hepb.htm
    It’s bad enough they don’t question the manipulated history, stats, bogus
    “science” etc. behind vaccines, but as midwives should surely know better
    about how flawed the vaccine paradigm is, and that vaccination bypasses the critical frontier barriers of the immune system shocking the system
    and inducing serious problems. Re. the paradigm: the bacterial/viral theory of infectious disease versus the cellular/ecological theory of infectious disease, try to access Dr. Raymond Obomsawin’s info on this… possibly at whale.to ‘Universal Immunization: Medical Miracle or Masterful Mirage?’

  • Christine P. S.

    This hospital should be challenged and held to account for claiming it had the right to refuse her admittance. Are you okay with sharing
    which hospital it is?

  • elnura

    smallpox and polio were not eradicated because of vaccines..

    Actually neither are eradicated. It just got to the point where the WHO couldn’t hide the carnage the diseases were leaving in their wake. Polio’s name and diagnosis criteria were changed when it became obvious that the vaccine was causing polio, not stopping it. Right now India is said to be Polio free but:

    In
    2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of non-polio acute flaccid
    paralysis (NPAFP); Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but
    twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to
    doses of oral polio received. – Department of Paediatrics, St Stephens Hospital, Delhi 110054, India. puliyel@gmail.com

    NPAFP is one of the new names Polio was changed to in the 1950’s.

    Smallpox was declared eradicated for 2 reasons: 1. Again the WHO couldn’t hide the rise in smallpox and the mutated forms of it in 3rd world countries. 2. The US wanted to use it as a bio-weapon and the only way to do so was to pull the vaccine, which caused polio out of use. Military people were given smallpox vaccines as well as many in the health profession in the US in case of terrorist attacks and the results were disastrous. The government had to get it out of circulation before people caught on. If you read many of the blogs where pro-vaccine people comment on the benefits of vaccines, them catching on doesn’t seem to be in the cards LOL.

  • Lisa Smith

    it is the same information/site. your link is for one report preliminary 2011. On my links you can find all the Final Mortality reports dating back to 1970. My point is you can actually check the FINAL data from the CDC on these links and see no where near 36,000 a year die from the flu. But even the CDC no longer claims 36,000 a year die from the flu. Their new line is 3,00-47,000 a year die from flu and flu related causes. But as these reports show deaths for flu related causes are not tracked so it is a made up number.

  • Jim Bob

    “My husband and I came to the obvious conclusion that the risks of vaccines outweighed any potential benefit. I read scholarly articles, research papers, the CDC ['s website], package inserts, spoke to health professionals, studied the immune system, studied each disease individually, and the treatments for such diseases.”
    I’m just wondering what qualifications Oliver’s parents have that make them more able to understand/interpret the relevant data than doctors and health researchers. Simply reading an abstract does not make one fluent or knowledgeable about the subject matter.
    Moreover, if they know so much more that medical doctors, why take them to see one?

  • Jim Bob

    In Canada, you CAN sue the manufacturer and your health care provider. We do not have a no-fault system like most other countries. However, there are assumed risks with vaccination like soreness, bruising and possibly fever that you wouldn’t be compensated for. In the unlikely event that you suffer a severe adverse reaction (less than one in several million), you must establish causality which is entirely plausible but highly unlikely that vaccines would be the sole cause of said severe reaction.
    From a historical perspective, no one has successfully sued a pharmaceutical company in Canada for the mythical notion of “vaccine harm”, because it doesn’t exist.

  • Jim Bob

    Alexj is 100% correct. But he (she?) forgot to mention that most vaccines are only about 95% effective. Ergo on top of the group of those with compromised immune systems, you also need to include the 5% where the vaccine did not grant full immunity.

    Anyone who says this statement has not done any research into vaccines other than what they found on anti-vaccines propaganda pages: why would an unvaccinated child ever be a threat to a vaccinated child?

  • Jim Bob

    Incorrect. There has been no reported cases of “varicella shedding”. Moreover, you seem to lump this report with all vaccinations. I’m wondering you call others unscientific when you blatantly lie to create fear (ergo, scare mongerers).
    What’s worse is you did your homework and still chose to misrepresent the facts.

  • http://trevor.dekoekkoek.net Trevor de Koekkoek

    Umm, it’s in the vaccine insert document. Look it up yourself. And there are reported cases of multiple vaccine shedding and in the case of OPV causing Polio. Do your homework.

  • http://trevor.dekoekkoek.net Trevor de Koekkoek

    No varicella shedding? Here’s just one example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22572750 Do your homework and stop spreading misinformation.

  • frank

    Compare the side effects of the vaccines to the sequele of these childhood diseases. There is much overlap! Why worry about encephalitis from the disease if the vaccine is just as likely to cause it? We flew through childhood diseases with flying colours using homeopathy and herbals. Educate YOURSELVES. One note of warning: beware of Child Protective Services. In some states/municipalities, they are gung-ho on “rescuing” your child. Be wary of divulging too much information.

  • frank

    Granted, immuno-compromised individuals are at risk. ‘In the olden days’ new moms kept their newborns isolated from the public until the immune system was more developed. The daily dose of siblings helped speed things along. Today’s oldsters get shingles because they’ve lost contact with the chickiepox-bearing children and are not getting their seasonal “booster”. I cannot speak for cancer or AIDS pts except to say that I am sorry for their plight but will not sacrifice my health or that of my children for them.

  • frank

    I would like her “outed”. What’s her name and where is/was she employed? Her employer is responsible for her statements while working.

  • elnura

    Actually I just use the link as a bookmark because the CDC has changed the web address a couple of times over the years. I access the page and than use the search to go to the info I want.

    Yea, I’ve written them to try and pin them down on confirmed Flu deaths over the last 20 years but I haven’t received anything except a confirmation they received my email. I’m not holding my breath.

  • James

    Finish reading the article and how the nurse misdiagnosed the baby, and then wanted to vaccinate the baby against Chicken Pox when the baby wasn’t even old enough, and while the baby had a fever (which could harm or kill the baby). Stop being such a fool who just goes along with the media or what you are told to think without doing any of your own thinking or research. Or just stay out of conversations you know nothing about JIM BOB. You sound as dumb as the nurse=!

  • Jim Bob

    I have no clue what your little rant has to do with what I asked. The question still stands despite your odd outburst. If they don’t trust doctors or feel they know more than doctors, why go see a doctor?
    I mean she’s an expert of the immune system after reading about it on the internet. Why would they go to a hospital/urgent care clinic at all?
    Why didn’t they just google it?

  • elnura

    My guess regardless of what she read she was contentiousness enough and responsible enough to KNOW she wasn’t a Doctor so she made an adult decision to have her son examined by a professional. I think because of her research she knew she was not a diagnostician and needed a professional opinion so she put her trust in a system that initially failed her BUT rather than go home because of the horrify abuse she and her family suffered at the hands of the abusive nurse, she made another adult decision to go to another urgent care facility and have her son assessed. Her son was correctly assessed and treated whereas the nurse at DMC would have given this child a vaccine that was not appropriate for his age group, against the desire of the parents which would have put his life at risk because vaccine package inserts state do not administer to children that are obviously ill. I live in Michigan and Chicken Pox is not epidemic-until a bunch of kids get vaccinated, than there is an uptick. Michigan has 3 kinds of exemptions: philosophical, medical and religious. The nurse was wrong and IMHO should be fired.

    I think James’s comment is because the way your comment reads its comes across as sarcastic and snarky.

  • elnura

    Yes, it does!

    Herpes zoster after varicella-zoster vaccination: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23358727

    Epidemiologist Confirms Serious Outbreak of Chicken Pox, 97 Percent Who Were Vaccinated

    “Vigo County usually has less than 10 cases a year; however, since the end of September, Vigo County has reported 84 cases which would meet the definition of an unusual occurrence of disease,” Dr. Joan Duwve,
    M.D., of the Indiana State Department of Health, told the Tribune-Star. “Prompt identification, investigation and control of chickenpox outbreaks are important. Even mild cases can be contagious.”

    To cover-up the wild increase for the disease, public health officials are blaming one unvaccinated child as the cause despite 97 percent of vaccinated children contracting chicken pox. More than 85 percent of those vaccinated received FULL VACCINATIONS.

    The Indiana Coalition for Vaccination Choice reported this on their Facebook page.
    -Placed another call to the Indiana State Department of Health. Was able to reach the epidemiologist working the chicken pox outbreak. There are a total of 92 cases so far. Only 3 were never vaccinated. 10 had received one vaccine and 79 were fully vaccinated. They are seeing fewer lesions in the fully vaccinated. Zero deaths. Possibly one hospitalization but not sure off the top of their head. Zero complications from chicken pox. We were told that only one chicken pox vaccine was supposed to provide lifelong immunity but this did not turn out to be the case. A booster was added and yet we are seeing a very
    high rate of fully vaccinated children contracting chicken pox. We asked if another booster will be mandated and told possibly. We asked about vaccine failures and were told this is not vaccine failure because the severity of lesions in the fully vaccinated was less than if never
    vaccinated and that no vaccine is 100% effective. We were told that if vaccines save one life they are worth it. We asked how many children died from chicken pox before the vaccine. This epidemiologist was unsure.

    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2012/12/11/epidemiologist-confirms-serious-outbreak-of-chicken-pox-97-percent-who-were-vaccinated/

    Varicella Vaccine Effectiveness in the US Vaccination Program: A Review: Study excerpt:

    Outbreak investigations.
    -Most studies of varicella vaccine effectiveness have been conducted during outbreak investigations. These investigations all used a retrospective cohort study design with clinically diagnosed disease as the outcome. Details on illness were obtained retrospectively from parents and health care providers, with some information (and case
    reports) obtained prospectively if the outbreak was ongoing. In recent years, standard practice during outbreaks has been to confirm some varicella cases through laboratory testing [8, 21, 23, 24]. Thirteen
    investigations of outbreaks provided 16 separate estimates of vaccine effectiveness for the prevention of all varicella that ranged from 44%–100% (mean, 79.9%; median, 84.5%), with higher estimates for the
    prevention of combined moderate and severe varicella (mean, 95.6%; median, 96.5%) and severe varicella only (100%) [8–10, 13–16, 18, 21–24]. During the early years of the varicella vaccination program, outbreaks were reported to occur predominantly in child care centers
    [13, 17, 18]. In more-recent years, outbreaks have been reported to occur almost exclusively in elementary schools, some of which have extremely high vaccine coverage (96%–98%) [10, 19, 21, 25].
    Read more:
    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/197/Supplement_2/S82.long

  • razzaluna

    Hi Christine,
    She is still in the hospital and rather weak at this
    point. I don’t want to cause her additional problems. All I can tell
    you is that the hospital is in CA. When she gets out, I will gladly give
    out this hospital’s name. BTW, they also pressured her husband into
    getting a shot. He was told he wouldn’t be allowed to visit her without
    one. Is this standard procedure?

  • Judi Fox

    Recently I called the nurse phone line at my doctors office because I had a fever for over 3 days with no flu like symptoms (I was suspecting a bladder issue / infection, which it turned out to be that). I just wanted to find out how long I should wait before coming in for an appointment. She asked me if I had the flu vaccine and I told her no. She then strongly told me I was going to kill my child. My son has a very high risk of dying because I didn’t get the flu vaccine. I didn’t get too upset about it, but nurses should be informed that it is over the top to say things like that.

    This is on reason we had a home birth because we just didn’t want all the drama that can happen in a hospital when they are focused more on protecting hospital policies, procedures, and legal risk. We knew we didn’t want Vitamin K and Hep B shots right when he was born and we didn’t want to circumcise either. http://judifoxblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/isaacs-birth-story.html

    All vaccines should not be lumped into the same category of risk, disease elimination, and death rate. And telling someone they are going to kill their child by not getting the flu shot is a very poor marketing tactic. It only drives me to look further into the pros and cons / risks of getting the flu shot vs. not getting the flu shot. It makes me consider articles like this… :) http://foodbabe.com/2011/10/04/should-i-get-the-flu-shot/

  • Disgusted with Pharma lies

    unbelivable! I hit the up arrow because I agree wholeheartedly with the writer above. The counter went down! I tried it again and it went down again! Rigged???

  • Doctor FOR Health

    I think you have been misinformed because vaccinations aren’t mandatory in Canada. http://vran.org/exemptions/
    I hope this helps!! Especially for those who also believe that they are mandatory.

  • Keith

    The germ theory is faulty, therefore the theory on vaccinations is faulty.(my, and many others opinion)

    And I would definitely prefer organic, fresh raw food than

    gmo food, fluoride and aspartame. That’s ‘sheeple’ food so I hope your smart enough to not eat them.

  • isis

    Parents out there, please do your own research, glad this parents were armed with knowledge, been in your shoes… as first time parents we tend to be scared not knowing what to do, but ANY illness can be treated with natural remedies! we are proud parents of 2 beautiful and healthy girls, no shots so far, and any colds etc, we treat at home. Highly recommend colloidal silver for immune support!

  • aimee

    Guess what Jim Bob, most people, such as I lived through chicken pox and we now have LIFE LONG immunity! If the vaccine works, it’s only for a short period of time and let’s not forget those real adverse reactions, that can last a lifetime..

  • Angie STRS

    I am proud of Oliver’s parents. They did many of the right things to do, I’m glad they did not fold to this woman.

  • Angie STRS

    Jim, I can personally say, some people that join the medical workforce do not join it for the love of health, many do it because there is a lot of money involved, some medical students have the worst health habits, for example I took my son to the pediatrician’s. Office the staff were smoking right in front of the office. I never wanted to go back to that office again. I find some medical students that do not eat but junk food and drink alcohol. If money is involved believe me, people will become greedy and they forget their promises and become corrupted

  • sabelmouse

    because they were first time parents and it’s hard to cope when your child is ill. we all have been brought up to trust the medical profession and even with much evidence to the contrary might still feel the need for assistance, especially with an infant. with a second baby they might not have gone and waited it out. that’s pretty much how it was for me.
    the one thing modern medicine is usually quite good at is emergency treatments.

  • sabelmouse

    many years ago is probably the important part. these days there’s a flood of propaganda, even in germany, where things were quite reasonable and the vaccine schedule thin compared to the usa and many other countries in 1990 when my first child was born.

  • sabelmouse

    very true although many also can’t. the german STICKO freely admits that they recommend the chicken pox vaccination mostly for economic reasons.

  • Kelly Taylor

    We would have walked out .

  • St_Ann

    I wrote voluntary not mandatory :-)

  • St_Ann

    Interesting “myth” – why then is there a list of potential adverse side effects on the vaccine inserts? I found “death” especially discouraging after reading the insert of Merck’s M-M-R vaccine.

  • St_Ann

    If vaccines are only 95% effective, why do doctors and nurses frighten parents by saying “your child will die if unvaccinated”? Sounds like propaganda by medical mafia to me.

  • Hated Hydra

    “When WHO officials discovered a polio outbreak in Nigeria was sparked by the polio vaccine itself they assumed it would be easier to stop than the natural “wild” virus. They were wrong… Because there is no such thing as a “wild” polio virus. Polio never existed until the vaccine was invented says Salk. The man that invented it.The virus in the vaccine can mutate into a deadlier version that ignites new outbreaks.”

    ‘Polio Surge in Nigeria after Vaccine Virus Mutates’ Associated Press, 8/14/09

  • Hated Hydra

    “According to the CDC, 133 people contracted polio between 1980 and 1994. A total of 125 of those cases or an average of eight per year were caused directly by the oral polio vaccine, which consists of a live but weakened virus, the CDC said.”

    Associated Press, 1/ 20/97

  • Hated Hydra

    “A sixteen month old boy hospitalized for high fever and paralysis had never received any poliovirus vaccine … From playing and sharing a bed with his cousin, he apparently contracted poliomyelitis from the cousin who received Typ-2 oral poliovirus thirty-three days before. Virological and serological investigation revealed a vaccine-like strain of Type-2 poliovirus.”

    ‘Poliomyelitis associated with Type-2 polio virus strain. Possible tramsmission from an immunized child to an non-immunized child.” Lancet, vol. 1, 3/30/68

  • Hated Hydra

    “Immunization against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself.”

    Ari Zuckerman, Advisory Panel, World Health Organization

  • Hated Hydra

    Figures published in International Mortality Statistics confirm that from 1915-1958 the measles death rate in the U.S. and U.K. declined by 98% (five years before the creation of the measles vaccine)

    From 1900-1935 before the pertussis vaccine was introduced the death rate from pertussis in the United States and England had already declined on its own by 79% and 82% respectively.

    International Mortality Statistics

  • Hated Hydra

    The fact that the U.S. now has the highest first day infant death rate of all industrialized countries and ranks number 31 among nations in infant mortality. Preterm birth rates have increased 36% since the early 1980’s and 6 out of every 1,000 babies born alive in America die before their first birthday.

    Birth defects, chromosomal damage, premature birth, low birth weight and sudden infant death syndrome are the leading causes of death for about 23,000 newborn infants every year, with half of those deaths occurring on the first day of life. A baby born in America is twice as likely to die within the first 24 hours as babies born in the European Union

    U.S. public health officials say there are “no clear” answers for why our maternal mortality rate is skyrocketing. They don’t know why so many of our babies are dying on the first day and within the first year of life, in stark contrast to many other nations where maternal and infant mortality rates are declining.

    Public health officials also can’t figure out why so many infants and children in America are plagued with brain and immune system problems. The unprecedented, unexplained chronic disease and disability epidemic has gotten worse in the past three decades – with 1 child in 6 now learning disabled; 1 in 9 suffering with asthma; 1 in 38 ( 1 in 30 for boys ) developing autism; 1 in 400 becoming diabetic and millions more suffering with severe food allergies, inflammatory bowel disease and other chronic illness.

    The health of American adults has also deteriorated during the past three decades compared to other wealthy nations where health is improving and our life expectancy is worse than many other countries as well. The CDC says that today chronic diseases are the most common and costly causes of death and disability with about half of all adults living with at least one chronic illness.

    Japan, New Zealand, Australia, China, Iceland and Norway recommend but do not legally require vaccines and 15 countries in the European Union, including United Kingdom, Germany, Spain, Greece, Denmark, Netherlands, Finland and Austria similarly recommend but do not mandate vaccines. All of these countries have lower infant mortality rates than the U.S. and DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT INFANTS UNDER ONE YEAR OLD GET VACCINATED. In fact, no other country legally requires the numbers of vaccinations that the U.S. does for children to attend daycare and school or for adults to keep their jobs.

    It is no wonder that more Americans are asking questions about why our children need so many vaccines and why adults need to get a flu shot every year – even during pregnancy – when our population is already the most vaccinated in the world but far less healthy than other countries that do not mandate or recommend so many vaccines.

  • elnura

    Yea, but the WHO and Vaccine Industry say this doesn’t’ count because they paid off the Nigerian government to say it ain’t so.

  • elnura

    If vaccines are 95% effective than why are booster needed? Dr. Blayock states when he was in medical school 20 plus years ago he was told vaccination was a one time event yet every year the public is told that the efficiency of the vaccine isn’t what was expected. Vaccines from jump start have no efficency and there is not one shred of scientific data to support that vaccines work-period. Nor is there any scientific data that indicates that vaccines have had any impact of the abatement of disease around the world any time and any place.

    If you want to say vaccines have improved that is a lie. Vaccine science may have become more technically advanced but the product is just as crude as it was 50 years ago:

    “Dr Minor, the UK’s top vaccine safety officer, then added: ‘So even today then you have to bear in mind that a
    large amount of vaccine that’s made is made on really quite crude materials, from an adventitious agent point of view. It’s not a trivial usage. In fact, when consider what vaccines are actually made on these
    days, they are quite primitive in some respects.’

    These warnings were coming from a doctor working for the UK government who asked me at a later meeting not to pass on vaccine information that would alarm parents.”

    Fear of the Invisible: Janine Roberts
    Dr. Phil Minor, from the UK National Institute of Biological Standards and Control speaking at a vaccine conference.
    From official US transcripts of recent unreported meetings of US and UK vaccine safety scientists….NIH Emergency Workshop on sv-40, 1997, Washington.

  • Mike Lashewitz

    I still have not had an answer for, “Why is my non-vaccinated child a threat to your vaccinated child?” Some nurses like many “Doctors” have a holier than thou authority complex. Just remember the nursing student that graduates lowest in their class is still called Nurse.

  • Lou

    IMO the real problem is walking in. NO joke.

    Sadly the Medical Industry has made itself MOSTLY off limits to a LOT of us. It is all a question of RISK to reward.

    Pediatricians have proven themselves to be many orders of magnitude more dangerous than the childhood miladies they purport to treat.

  • Lou

    I hate to say it but if “nurse” Lauren were any sort of animal other than human she would be in dire risk of being taken out behind the barn and SHOT.

  • Lou

    “Vaccination” is driven by FEAR and AUTHORITY.

    AUTHORITY will tell you to be afraid. AUTHORITY will offer you a way to stop fearing. AUTHORITY will ORDER you to harm yourself. AUTHORITY will harm you if you refuse to harm yourself.

    This is simple human history. History has not stopped; we are living it.

  • Lou

    Thank god.

  • Lou

    Yes and these nurses must not be ordered to inject toxins into all new borns, Mothers be damned. A caring medical profession must be enabled to refuse the noxious orders of the Medical Industry.

    How about; first do no harm because you care about your patients more than your power mad masters.

  • swell

    Pediatricians and nurses, for some reason, are ignorant about vaccines and equally malicious toward those who are educated about vaccines.

  • Lorraine Anne Longshaw-Harriet

    I had chickenpox as a child! I got over it!

  • Lou

    “For most children, the risk of a serious vaccine reaction may be 100
    times greater than the risk of hepatitis B.” Doctor Jane Orient MD,
    Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)

    I’d say the measles vaccine program has failed to accomplish what it was meant to do, and now, as a result of our attempts to minimize the rare complication of a measles infection by stopping children from experiencing a measles infection, we have created the very problem of an inordinate amount of children with chronic brain inflammation.“ Doctor Lawrence Palevsky, MD

  • beahnshee

    It’s called “herd immunity” look it up

  • beahnshee

    oh good lord now you’re trying to use an ignorant nurse jumping the gun as a reason to not vaccinate. one stupid person is not reason against a valid medical advancement that has saved many lives.

  • beahnshee

    Your ignorance and gullibility are the problem. google herd immunity and maybe you will understand why your unvaccinated child is a problem. maybe. but i doubt it because you are willfully ignorant.

  • Hated Hydra

    Vaccines have not saved lives. Better hygiene, cleaner water and clean sanitation has gotten us past the epidemics and pandemics. Vaccines had nothing to do with it. Even Dr. Salk, the Polio vaccine inventor said, that polio never existed until he came along with the vaccine.

  • Lucy Hill

    Nurses don’t tend to know much about vaccines, they are just enforcers, however the doctors more often than not do not vaccinate their own children

  • Lucy Hill

    Exactly and it was only quarantine which eradicated Small Pox, Big Pharma never wanted it eradicated, it was an industry for them, now they are doing their best to make sure that Polio is not eradicated i.e. they spread it with the Oral Polio Vaccine.

  • Lucy Hill

    Vaccine shedding is a nightmare, they are spreading the diseases with their vaccines

  • Lucy Hill

    I’ve been in the same situation, I’ve actually turned doctors and nurses anti-vaccine in less than 1 hour

  • Tamcyn

    The reason i ended up on this site is because just three days ago my 6 year old son was given the DT shot. He reacted badly with a high fever that ended up with him being admitted to hospital. The staff there never really acknowledged nor denied that it was the result of the immunisation but i made it quite known to them that i knew it was. Prior to this i had been totally ignorant about the adverse side effects of vaccinations. I have vaccinated all my other 3 children and not a single problem until now. If i were to have anymore children I will not VACCINATE. I am researching on how long i have to wait to be sure that my son did not at all suffer irreparable damage because apparently some side effects can appear even after forty years. I am still very disturbed by this whole ordeal. As for this inhumane nurse i hope she gets what she deserves.

  • IHateJimBob

    I agree with you for once Jim Bob. We shouldn’t ever, ever, ever, ever, ever go to hospitals or to a doctors orfice (oops, I mean office). Thank you Jim Bob, I was worried about you but knew you would eventually come around to your senses. Go tell your pharm boss that you said that as well as I’m sure he would love to hear it. Jim Bob, I love you man

  • IHateJimBob

    Yes Jim Bob, YES! You are actually making sense. I’m so proud of your evolution from brain dead idiot to well informed. I agree with Jim Bob, STAY AWAY FROM DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really love you now Jim Bob. Now if we can just get that box or rocks Argus to see the light. Dude has the personality of a roof shingle, and you can tell that just by what he types. I love you too Argus, LOL.

  • Guest

    Hmm read somewhere on a govt site promoting vaccines that just about every immune compromised person can get vaccinated these days so that just leaves the 5% where it doesn’t take, which wouldn’t be a problem if they’d acquired natural immunity in the first place. If we all had natural immunity, we would never be a risk to anyone.

  • ABC

    Sorry, what is your reference for the Dr. Salk quote, as well as the exact quote?

  • 123

    Vaccination is also driven by the fact that there are certain populations who cannot immunize due to their immune systems, such as young cancer patients, those with autoimmune disorders, or those born without immune systems. Doctors check for these in all children, in order to make sure vaccination, should the parent choose it, would be safe for the child. For those people, herd immunity is essential. The way that herd immunity works is that if at least 85% of the population is vaccinated against diseases, then the remaining 15% are better protected as well, as there are less people available to catch and spread the disease.
    While it is true that there are diseases that have been linked with vaccinations, such as epilepsy, these diseases are much less prevalent than those that have risen from the refusing of vaccines, such as the recent mumps outbreaks in the United States.
    Vaccination is a choice, and should be treated as such. All people considering either though should look at ALL facts, not just those presented on anti-vax websites. One thing is certain though: talking about authority and fear is not a substitute for learning about the pros and cons of vaccination.

  • noname

    While I am pro vaccination (only for those with no preexisting conditions that vaccination would inflame), I believe that the behaviour of this woman is despicable. If parents as diligent and dedicated as these ever show up in a hospital, they should be treated with respect, and given the exact same treatment as other patients. Whether the child was vaccinated was very irrelevant here. If child came with mumps, it may have been different, but given how attentive these parents are to their child’s needs, I may have even let that slide.

  • Remnant

    Here’s a link to an article that discusses it. I think what Hydra was referring to is this: “In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk, who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” )”

  • Remnant

    Herd Immunity theory has not been validated.

  • lenakalaluna

    Awesome post! Completely agree and would like to share, if you don’t mind? Thanks!

  • Lou

    One thing is certain though: talking about authority and fear is not a substitute for learning about the pros and cons of herd immunity.

    “Vaccination” does NOT confer Herd Immunity

    “The original basis for herd immunity had nothing to do
    with vaccines. When sufficiently high numbers of people contracted the wild form of the disease and secured lifelong natural immunity, statisticians observed a protective effect in the community as described above. Policymakers eager to promote vaccines sought ammunition to increase vaccine
    uptake. Researchers assumed that vaccine-induced immunity would operate in the same manner as natural immunity and presumed that vaccines therefore would
    also create herd immunity. I am not a scientist but I know that vaccine-induced immunity is not remotely the same thing as natural immunity. Natural immunity is the gold standard. Vaccine-induced immunity is qualitatively different; for starters, vaccines do not always work and their protection wanes over time.” Louise Kuo Habakus

    “The problem is that there is in fact such a thing as natural herd immunity. But what’s they’ve done is they’ve taken this natural phenomenon and assume that vaccines will work the same way. However, they do not, and the science clearly shows that there’s a big difference between naturally arising herd immunity and vaccine-induced herd immunity.” Doctor Joseph Mercola MD

    “The original concept of herd immunity is that when a population experiences the natural disease… natural immunity would be achieved – a robust, qualitatively superior natural herd immunity within the population, which would then protect other people from getting the disease in
    other age groups. It’s the way infectious diseases work…”
    Barbara explains. But the vaccinologists have adopted
    this idea of vaccine induced herd immunity. The problem with it is that all vaccines only confer temporary protection… Pertussis vaccine is one the best examples… Pertussis vaccines have been used for about 50 to 60 years, and the
    organism has started to evolve to become vaccine resistant. I think this is not something that’s really understood generally by the public: Vaccines do not confer the same type of immunity that natural exposure to the disease does.”
    Barbara Loe Fisher, President of the National Vaccine
    Information Center (NVIC)

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_natural_immunity.htm

  • Lou

    Please research why disease has decreased. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with “vaccination”; in fact “vaccination” is terribly immunosupressive and thus disease producing.

    http://johnwollerjrontheautismepidemic.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/figure-7-92.jpg

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vaccine.htm

  • Jhenifer Good

    Well, I have recently learned of my own gene mutations, which interfere with the body’s ability to rid itself of toxins. I certainly passed at least one of these mutations to my children so I disagree. At what age do these screening take place? Day one when they are implying our neglect by asking questions about why the Hep is reasonable for an infant?There is currently no screening process in place that catches kids like mine. My daughter’s inability to detox from the “extra” stuff in vaccines is probably why she has Autism. Also, my children are not considered fully-vaxed even though they have the same doses I had because the requirements have increased. I am not barred from school when there is a mumps outbreak, but my child, with the exact same level of coverage, is. There is SO much wrong with the current system, and that is without even considering what is in these vaccines.

  • CMil

    Sooo you won’t judge her for not vaccinating for Varicella BUTTT you may judge her for measles? LOL Nice of you. Your post came across very nice and then went downhill at top speed. FYI this 8 month old wasn’t old enough to get the MMR either. You, nor anyone has a right to judge anything these parents do. It is not illegal to chose against vaccination. SMH I can’t get over the “I may have even let that slide” ugh…unreal. I repeat… the childs parents are not obligated to vaccinate and two….the child is TOO YOUNG TO RECEIVE the vaccine.

  • AmyandRafael Ramirez

    Sounds like what happened in Sierra Leon. There was an ebola test lab and for some odd reason, ebola started popping up in the nearby population that has become the epidemic we have today. A rapidly mutating form unlike never before.

  • Tom

    I’m so glad this turned out safely for this family.

    The one thing Oliver’s parents need to be extremely grateful for is that the nurse didn’t call CPS or the police and report the parents. This has happened, and it has led ongoing nightmares. Examples:

    http://vaxtruth.org/2012/08/indiana-doctor-tells-mom-be-compliant-vaccinate-or-ill-call-cps/

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/pediatrician-calls-state-trooper-and-cps-on-parent-refusing-to-vaccinate-child/

    http://kellythekitchenkop.com/newborn-taken-from-parents-who-refuse-hepatitis-b-vaccine-and-ask-too-many-questions.html

    Here are some thoughts to protect yourself:
    1) video and/or voice recording is your friend. Do it surreptitiously, with your smartphone, don’t make it obvious, don’t be arrogant or try to influence the behavior of the bullying health care professional. Keep it completely secret.

    2) Get a lawyer immediately, and put all information, especially your recordings, into the lawyer’s hands. The attitude of medical center administrators, police, and CPS changes dramatically when they see a lawyer involved.

    3) Do not sign anything under duress. Politely and respectfully at all times tell them you will only sign a document in consultation with your lawyer (you’re recording this after all, even if you only have your smartphone inside your pocket making a voice recording.)

    4) Be prepared for the pressure to really increase once they realize a lawyer may be involved. The home run for them is to get your signature on that magical piece of paper they can use in court to get whatever they want to happen before a lawyer has a chance to warn you about what the document allows them to do. If you sign it, it can’t be unsigned. Don’t do it.

    Family protection advocate Dr. Tara Palmatier has a rule “Always Be Recording” many families have been saved by having a recording that puts the lie to false statements made by health care personnel, CPS workers or police to cover up misconduct.

  • AutismDad

    Shows what morons many health care “Professionals” are.

  • AutismDad

    Its their education, work environment and part of their job to spread the PLOPaganda used to brainwashed them. They too are victims of fear mongering and corporate misinfo that turns mild childhood viral exposure into KILLING DISEASES that are plague like and certain to become a PANDEMIC.

  • AutismDad

    nerd immunity?

  • AutismDad

    Just like HIV’s epicenter in Africa was a vaccine test village that cultivated vaccines on chimp flesh. Guess what? They deny it all!!

  • AutismDad

    Weren’t they there to help these poor powerless people who could never sue?

  • AutismDad

    Did you happen to stumble across the 1000 studies PROVING no connection between vaccines and autism? They say they exist, but never actually supply them.

  • SamRN

    It’s a lie.. Like all of our American politics it is propaganda to pin two sides against each other. Pro vaccine against anti vaccine.. Liberal against conservative. As long as we fight each other, we don’t fight them. Herd immunity makes absolutely no sense if you have an science knowledge at all. It amazes me how many people still believe that the corporations profiting off these injections really care who they are harming. Why is it America is one of the sickest countries on the planet?? We are also the biggest pushers of vaccines. Let us not forget GMOs another sickness inducing money maker owned by the same chemical companies.