Bombshell TV Show About HPV Vaccines Reveals Cruel Nature of Vaccine Pushers

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Refreshingly, there was a brave attempt recently in a popular show seen by over two million viewers on ABC TV to present balanced information regarding the controversial HPV (human papillomavirus) vaccines. [1]

It was expected that to touch on the subject of vaccine injuries and death would bring down the wrath of the vaccine industry. And it certainly appeared to do so.

In addition to opinions from vaccine promoters, there were interviews with a grieving mother who shared the tragic story of her daughter’s death and a brave young girl who described her suffering after the vaccine. Two doctors gave their opinions. While one was in favor of the vaccine, the other questioned its necessity, given the overall success of Pap testing to screen for cervical cancer.

Show’s Journalist Compelled to Publish Follow-Up

As feared, the show’s journalist, Katie Couric, who was probably under pressure from the influential vaccine industry, added a new video [2] and a post script. It appeared on the show’s web site the next day and ended with:

“We do not want to leave our viewers with an irrational fear of the vaccine and for that reason we’re going to continue the conversation and invite a number of medical experts, journalists and scientists to weigh in here, on our site.”

The aftermath in several discussion threads, with thousands of comments on the show’s website, revealed the true nature of many pro-vaxers. [3,4,5]

Kicking of Sufferers Who Were Lying Down

Countless parents described in detail adverse reactions to the HPV vaccines, which disabled or killed their formerly athletic, active and happy daughters.

Those who were in sorrow and pain were ruthlessly attacked by pro-vaccine people who insulted and accused them of telling lies. There were emotional elements when some who were in grief were provoked by hurtful responses from pro-vaxers, the words spoken by the latter being by far the nastiest and, no doubt, shocking thousands of readers.

Shameful Comments From Pro-Vaxers

Some of these comments were posted by people who have been known to boast about their academic and intellectual backgrounds:

  • “The only thing malignant here is the cancerous spread of anti-vax lies.”
  • “Vaccine injury is one of the biggest lies that anti-vaxers tell.”
  • “Really, you anti-vaxers just pull it out of your rear orifice sometimes.”
  • “ I don’t for a minute believe your daughter had an adverse reaction to the vaccination. I think you’re just here for the attention.”
  • “These parents are falsely blaming Gardasil to get rid of some the pain and guilt resulting from their children’s condition.”
  • “These aren’t victims of these vaccines. They are people that desperately want to blame vaccines because they are too lazy or too dishonest to report the truth.”
  • Grieving mother: “I wish my daughter had made it to 32; she died at 17 as a result of a reaction to this vaccine.” Callous comment by a pro-vaccine person who surely had no access to the daughter’s medical records: “I think we have established that your daughter did not die of a reaction to this vaccine.”
  • “Your story is on Sane Vax. I don’t need to know anything more to know you’re not telling the truth. You hoping for a payout?”
  • “There are people here purposefully misleading others with their lies about the efficiency and safety of the HPV vaccine, assumingly because they like to see people die from cancer.”
  • “Stop reading the holocaust deniers of whale-to and stop siding with cancer.”
  • “There is the troubling statistic that the vast majority of alleged vaccine injuries come from people who believe strongly in a magical Jew who did tricks 2000 years ago.”
  • “You have all the credibility of some loon in the public square screeching that the earth is flat, the moon launch was a hoax and 9-11 an inside job.”
  • “Since the goal is to generate fear, accuracy is not important to you. This is why you omit the evidence that shows that you are lying.”
  • “The Gardasil victims memorial is a tribute to one thing only: the willingness of the anti-vaccination crowd to keep passing on false information long after it has been debunked, because somehow the belief is more important than whether or not it is factual.”
  • “There aren’t two sides to the story. There is science, and there is quackery. And a bunch of Munchausen moms looking for attention.”

Comments from sympathizers of the vaccine-injured, backed by serious research, were attacked by vaccine promoters who responded by posting insults and cherry-picked studies.

No Evidence of Safety For These HPV Vaccines

Evidence of safety is not shown by biased, manipulated research papers posted by arrogant, aggressive vaccine promoters, some of whom have no background regarding vaccines, whose prime concern is often to protect their clients’ interests; nor is evidence of safety shown by presentation of biased studies and statistics from Big Pharma’s databases, an industry known to be steeped in deception and corruption.

The two controversial HPV vaccines are Gardasil, which is produced by Merck and Cervarix, manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline (GSK). When there is widespread knowledge that these companies are certainly not trustworthy, there is surely no reason to trust their products. [6,7]

Proof that these two vaccines are dangerous is shown by the intense suffering which gigantic numbers of previously healthy, active young girls have experienced after the vaccines. However, evidence does not depend on numbers. Thousands, hundreds, ten or even one who is suffering may be proof.

Tragically, young boys have started to experience similar fates. [8]

The Nasty Comments Will Not Go Away

Many sufferers were forced to leave the discussions, having been reduced to tears because of ridicule and harassment.

Several of those who had posted cruel comments also disappeared, some perhaps wisely deleting their obnoxious words.

Original images of their comments have been spread across countless countries of the world. The ugly pictures are archived by many as a permanent reminder of the blatant cruelty of those who support an industry which is based on greed and corruption.

More Obnoxious Comments From Pro-Vaxers

How can people who show such shameful behavior expect to be respected? Many of the worst comments are omitted from this article because they are so utterly hurtful that they should not be repeated.

  • “You are an immensely tedious, deluded twat. And stop drooling.”
  • “You are a frigging loon. Go back on medication please.”
  • “Screw it. I’ll say it. ARE YOU PEOPLE ALL COMPLETELY CRAZY?
  • Do you know why people like myself and xxxx and xxxx engage in debate with crazy people like yourselves? And you lunatics have the nerve to stand up and argue otherwise?”
  • “Sure, but does anyone validate your research? Or are you now a surgeon because you read on how to remove ingrown toenails?”
  • “I see the usual anti-vaccine loons couldn’t quit their yammering and stammering.”
  • “I think they enjoy the endless ridicule. They get to paint themselves as martyrs twice. If they didn’t enjoy it, they would stop doing it.”
  • “There has not been a single death that has been conclusively linked to the vaccine, just emotional, unsubstantiated anecdotes.”
  • “The best you people can do is the money grubbing, lying dishonest ‘age of autism’ website.”
  • “I always find it distressing that anti-vaccine activists like yourself care so little for victims of disease.”
  • “I’m afraid that the judgement of the future on you is likely to be that you are in the same class of folk who worried that the smallpox vaccination would turn them into cows.”
  • “A corpse doesn’t make big pharma any money, but fear mongering is wonderful for big herbal, big farmer, and big alterna, which is really the core issue.” 
  • Sorrowful mother: “My daughter has been sick now for two years following her second Gardasil vaccine. She tries so hard to be strong but the sickness wears her down daily. I cry daily.” Hurtful response: “Somebody needs to call the waaambulance.”
  • “Good anti vaxers read anti vax websites as they’re easy to understand. They’re written in basic English so those who lack the education and intellectual capacity to understand the medicine and the science can still feel intellectual.”
  • Parent: “I spend most of my life helping vaccine injured.” The parent cried because of this response, “And yet you’re so bad at it.”
  • “I think it is sad that you think she is damaged because she can’t have children. My daughters mean more to me than their ability to provide me with grandchildren.”

It may well be questioned whether the person who posted the following quote should be reported for supplying false information to the authorities:

“Once again an anti vaxer tells us part of a story without any evidence at all. Some of those VAERS reports were put up by me, they’re false. I proved that VAERS is not a source of information on this subject. So how many of these reports are factual and not anti vaxers pushing an agenda?”

Conclusion

More and more are people reaching each other from all corners of the world and sharing their sorrow because of the HPV vaccines. They receive comfort and information from knowledgeable and sympathetic people who genuinely care. [9]

Many of those who are helping have expert and unbiased knowledge of the vaccines. The numbers of voices of those who are suffering in anguish and despair because of the HPV vaccines are growing rapidly day by day. The world is hearing them now.

 

  • elnura

    If anyone has read many of what I call “Informed Consent” websites as opposed to anti-vax, you will see a pattern of behavior that is prevalent through all of them. The use of two buzz words; Anti-Vaxx and Conspiracy Theory. These words are used to intimidate those who oppose the status quo to back off. These are not ordinary people who just have a differing opinion. This is an organized unit of trained agents who are taught varying tactics to obscurate the cogent information being provided by people who have done the research and know the lack of science behind vaccines and can support their position with knowledge and verifiable data. It is an attack on people who against vaccines but it is also a warning to other who are trying to wade through the lies of the vaccine industry and the CDC so they can make an informed choice concerning their families. It’s saying to them-this is what will happen if you ask questions. We will come after you.

    These attacks are organized into groups and when an article about vaccines comes out on a website trolls are assigned. Usually two to begin with. They will tag team. If they don’t seem to be doing the job, two more will come in. If they are not successful 4 new people show up. Trolls never say anything in dept they often just bully, do hit and run attacks, ask for impossible data, name call, etc. Another tactic is to change the subject. They will start out talking about the Flu shot and if they realize the majority of the comments are not going they way the want they suddenly insert in a different subject like the MMR vaccine. The best thing to do is not to be bullied, stay on subject and don’t engage in name calling or bullying. When I get bullied I say something like “now that you’ve got that off your chest I hope you feel like answering my question-I than repeat the question.

    People who oppose vaccine need to be assertive, not aggressive. The ploy is to not allow the really important information to be made public. If they can intimidate you to the point of not posting your thoughts an information, they have won. It all about preventing the lies of the Vaccine Industry and CDC from from being exposed:

    Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth:
    The Rules of Disinformation (Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist)
    http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html and
    Eight Traits of the
    Disinformationalist: http://www.whale.to/b/sweeney.html

    Study these two articles and than re-read the comments in the article and you’ll see a devious pattern.
    In my researching on trolling I was stunned to learn from many articles that our US service people are contracted out through the government to troll for many companies and that includes the pharmaceutical industry. Our tax dollars at work.

  • http://www.desireerover.nl Desiree Rover

    This is the comment I wrote on the ‘Vaccine controversy’ page:

    http://katiecouric.com/2013/12/04/the-hpv-vaccine-controversy-rosie-perez/

    In 2009 I published a book on the HPV vaccines (in Dutch). I extensively researched the history of the HPV vaccines, as well as the reason that was given to the public for their necessity: HPV as the causal link for cervical cancer…

    I found that the use of (oral) contraception will deplete the body of exactly those substances that a cervix needs to be healthy: folic acid, and the vitamins B3, C and A! When the diet is deficient in these nutrients, the cervix easily gets damaged and will develop lesions… into which HPVs will settle happily.
    This means that HPVs are NOT the CAUSE of cervical cancer, but merely a SIGNAL of imbalance regarding the diet and the immune system of the person involved.

    The correct diet and when needed, suppletion of these nutrients will heal the cervical lesions. See http://www.desireerover.nl/wp-content/uploads/HPV-flyer-E1.pdf
    Next to this there are several natural methods to cure all the stages leading up to cervical cancer, including the cancer itself…

    Vaccines are full of toxic chemicals and metals, and other substances that have no place in our bloodstream. How logical is it to expect the injecting of all these toxins to create health???

    So, are HPV vaccines necessary? I definitely say NO!
    Worse even, these vaccines are dangerous and may even cause infertility.

  • Sharon Cedrone Martin

    I read and shared your article “Bombshell Interview About HPV Vaccines Reveals Cruel Nature of Vaccine Pushers.” I have recently been the target of bullies who not only inboxed me 5 times on facebook but stalked me, found my cell phone number and placed 3 separate phone calls to me in one day. there were 4 bullies in this particular group. they all identified themselves as “relief workers” and two of them stated that they work for doctors without borders. they called me the most insulting names you can imagine. they used “projection” (a psychology term) to accuse me of the very things they are guilty of, such as profiting from the dissemination of anti-vax information (meanwhile, the truth is, they are collecting paychecks for injecting unsuspecting african children). I reported and blocked the person who inboxed me on facebook and i wrote a complaint letter to doctors without borders as well as the medical offices that one of the bullies called me from. the things these people called me are far worse than anything you posted in your article. for example: “you are a truly sick and disturbed person, and you are an accessory to murder,” “You are a scum bag terrorist sympathizer who sides with the Taliban. Congratulations on failing as a human being,” ” It must just kill you that you don’t live in a part of the world where you could kill aid workers yourself and get away with it. You have to settle for supporting terrorists online and spreading anti Semetic based hysteria,” “And you know, you’re even more evil because you work as a FOR PROFIT alternative medicine provider (I work for a NON profit and charitable organizations as a volunteer). You lie and spread this garbage to stir up business for yourself and other FOR PROFIT alternative medicine hacks. You accuse volunteer health care workers of genocide and support terrorist organizations so you can line your pockets. You are truly the most disgusting a human being can be.” That was just the inbox messages. In terms of the phone calls I received, I was called “pure evil,” “a disgusting lady,” “a racist white southerner trying to prevent non-racist white people from sending care to Kenya,” (meanwhile, i’m from boston and my husband is black), and the final caller said: “I know that white supremacists exist, unfortunately. Like, I know that sort of thing, but until today, I did not know that there was actually white supremacists who put their efforts into getting free healthcare clinics in Africa shut down. Like, I know you guys are super pissed off you can’t own slaves anymore, but it’s been like almost 200 years. You need to get the FUCK over it and stop trying kill black people, you EVIL FRIGGIN’ BITCH!”I’m handling this as best I can by reporting these people to facebook and the organizations for whom they work.

  • MissEcoGlam

    Wow what a truly interesting comment, I have always wondered how it worked with the trolls and I think you are absolutely spot on!!! and great advice on how to handle it all!

  • Dr.. Rima

    Last night I posted information on an upcoming webinar on the Shaken Baby Syndrome Hoax (fatal vaccine injury with blame pushed off on parents to protect the uninsurable vaccine injury).
    In minutes I was consigned to rot in Hell forever [literally!!], told that I was not an MD or I could not believe that SBS is a hoax, accused of harboring Child Abuses [?????], accused or murder and worse. My husband was attacked personally and so was I.
    If there were an app for spitting through FB, I would have been covered.
    So what? Truth is truth and these fervent, fear-based nincompoops will follow the crowd and crow that they knew vaccines were bad all along when truth finally does prevail.
    Consensus is determined by the popularity of ideas. Truth is not.
    Keep fighting! Keep telling the truth!
    Parents of SBS families can attend the webinar for free, by the way.
    More info @ http://TinyULR.com/SBSHoax.
    Yours in health and freedom,
    Dr. Rima
    Rima E. Laibow, MD
    FB: /NaturalSolutionsFoundation
    http://www.DrRimaTruthReports.com

  • cg

    If one is in a caring profession, as conventional medicine deems itself to be, how could one be so blatantly cruel and uncaring? If one spits such hatred towards those whom one’s product has made ill or killed, perhaps one hates one’s job and needs to find another line of work where one is not driven to such cruelty against victims.

    We are in trouble, folks.

    A few years ago, National Vaccine Information Center (www.NVIC.org) held a conference on vaccines. One of the speakers was one of the lead researchers into the safety of the HPV vaccine. In her presentation, she said that “some of the participants died. They were, of course, unable to complete the study, so they were not included in the final safety reports.” One brave soul during Q&A asked for clarification. The woman again stated that yes, if someone died during the study, they were simply taken out of the tallies because “their results would not be considered valid to the study since they died before its completion.”

    In other words, during the safety studies a number of women who volunteered were killed in the name of science, but their deaths were meaningless to the study. Their deaths didn’t count as being potential safety problems as a result of the vaccine because they died. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And didn’t skew the safety results one bit – because they were just disallowed. When the woman was confronted with this lack of logic, she glazed over and fiddled with her notes and asked for the next question…”move on over the dead bodies, just kick them out of the way, because after all, they’re just DEAD! Next question, please.”

    Just a few more “sacrificial lab rats.” I’m sure their families appreciated the value placed on them as human beings by throwing them away. Business as usual. And we are now all one grand human lab specimen factory. Reminds me of kids who used to pull the wings off of butterflies just to see what happens. The butterflies are just a little bigger for them now that they’ve grown up and have scientific license to torture and murder in science’s name.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    We like science and saving lives, you prefer disease. You people are f*cking nuts. There I said it. Add it to the list of your taken out of context quotes above.

  • elnura

    Name calling is the last refuge of the outargued. You can go now and collect your 5 cents per word.

  • PointAndClick

    Go get another vaccine injection!

  • http://vactruth.com/ Vaccine Truth Moderator

    Please post respectful comments.

  • St_Ann

    When I was a child I got a vaccine that was injected into my right buttock or thigh. I think it was against tetanus but I am not 100% sure (too many years have passed). I was paralyzed in the right leg for at least a week. It hurt so bad I could bear to even stand on it. I remember my elder brother had to carry me around the apartment and to the bathroom. I cried, which infuriated my mother who thought I was overly sensitive. The injection point got inflamed and the nurse put a bandage on it. When it was time to rip it off, oh my god…I howled. At that point my mother lost all patience with me. I was not lying though, I can still remember it hurt really bad. This was in the 80s, way, way before any anti-vaccination lobby.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    Oh I make much more than that. Because obviously anyone on the planet who disagrees with Vactruth and conspiracy theorists is in the pockets of big pharma, there is no other explanation. We even have our own conference you know: http://conference.sageofautism.com/

  • anonymous

    I have come
    to a similar conclusion myself after reading the book “Trust Us We’re Experts:
    How Industry Manipulates Science and Gambles with Your Future”, reading the early
    works of Edward Bernays (who specialized in the use of propaganda techniques for
    public relations), and even reading the common techniques of disinformation
    that you linked above. In addition, there have been occasional obscure
    news articles discussing the military’s procurement of software allowing the
    monitoring of social networks and forums and the ability to create multiple
    user identities.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/03/pentagon-monitor-social-networking-threats

    “However, other online groups are starting to be
    classified as threats by wings of the military. The new proposals also seek to
    further efforts by the US government to automatically generate social media
    content through fake accounts, or bots. In March this year it was reported that
    US Central Command (Centcom) had awarded a contract to develop software that
    generates so-called “sock puppet” accounts – fake identities used to
    promote a particular view while hiding the user’s true identity.”

    I have to presume that if the technology exists in the military, that it
    also exists in the private sector for the purposes of managing public relations.

    I’ve noticed the consistent pattern and technique of attack on any topic
    that seems to be controversial and high profile. Typical
    high profile articles are on the topics of GMOs, vaccines, US geopolitical
    policy, US dollar policy, protest movements (e.g. occupy wall street), etc. Major mainstream news sources are always a
    target (WSJ, CNN, USA today, Yahoo news story message boards, etc.) As soon as someone composes a message that is
    contrary to the interests of government public policy or influential large
    corporations, the message is attacked often representing a position that is
    very often odd and irrational. The attack
    responses are rapid and ongoing for multiple hours and days, which could only
    occur if the website was being actively monitored (seems illogical that a true
    public participant in the forum would not have a job or other life responsibilities).

    In addition, I often scratch my head and wonder who is so passionate about
    vaccinations that they would spend hours on message forums arguing
    pro-vaccination positions. I know plenty
    of people who fully vaccinate their kids, but none of them are so emotionally
    attached to vaccination that they volunteer time and labor in passionately
    supporting the cause. Most of the
    general public considers vaccination a common, non-eventful, medical procedure
    that does not warrant their time/interest beyond going to a pediatrician during
    a regular scheduled well being visit.
    Non-events don’t inspire passion and they certainly don’t compel normal
    rational people to dedicate their time in ways that is often seen online.

    Having greater knowledge of the techniques and methods of
    propaganda/disinformation that I mentioned above, I can only come to one
    conclusion – it’s an orchestrated and coordinated effort designed to muddy the
    position and sway public opinion. Who is
    doing it, I don’t know. It could be:
    government, military, public relation firms, law firms, pharmaceutical
    companies, industry lobbyists, or 3rd party outsourced firms that
    hide the link to their true customer.

  • anonymous

    Another supporting news story with an interesting quote.

    “…came from a domain owned by the Bivings Group, a PR company specialising in internet lobbying. An article on the Bivings website explained that “there are some campaigns where it would be undesirable or even disastrous to let the audience know that your organisation is directly involved … Message boards, chat rooms, and listservs are a great way to anonymously monitor what is being said. Once you are plugged into this world, it is possible to make postings to these outlets that present your position as an uninvolved third party.”

    Reading comment threads on the Guardian’s sites and elsewhere on the web, two patterns jump out at me. The first is that it is possible to make postings to these outlets that present your position as an uninvolved third partydiscussions of issues in which there’s little money at stake tend to be a lot more civilised than debates about issues where companies stand to lose or gain billions: such as climate change, public health and corporate tax avoidance. These are often characterised by amazing levels of abuse and disruption.

    Articles about the environment are hit harder by such tactics than any others. I love debate, and I often wade into the threads beneath my columns. But it’s a depressing experience, as instead of contesting the issues I raise, many of those who disagree bombard me with infantile abuse, or just keep repeating a fiction, however often you discredit it. This ensures that an intelligent discussion is almost impossible – which appears to be the point.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/dec/13/astroturf-libertarians-internet-democracy

    Key points:
    -it is possible to make postings to these outlets that present your position as an uninvolved third party
    -debates about issues where companies stand to lose or gain billions are often characterised by amazing levels of abuse and disruption (vaccines would certainly meet that criteria)

    -The point of disruption seems to prevent intelligent discussion from occuring

  • ginred

    YES , MANY OF THE “DRUGS” (“VACCINES”)” PUSHED BY THE “LYING” , “THIEVING” , “BILLIONS” OF “DOLLARS” “A YEAR”, “DRUG” “COMPANIES”, DO CAUSE, “PAIN” , “SUFFERING” , “DAMAGE” , & “DEATH!!!!” “ANYONE” WHO THINKS OTHERWISE, IS EITHER A STUPID, FOOL , OR JUST A DUMB
    A*SHOLE!!!! U S ARMY VETERAN

  • elnura

    How refreshing, an original shrill page. Certainly far more entertaining than the standard name calling, bullying and foul vitriolic criticism. Still, without any specific complaint or verifiable scientific information you would like to engage in cogent intellectual exchange in regard to a specific subject, you’re still just blowing smoke.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    LOL. An anti-vacc science denier claims to want to have a scientific argument? If you understood science, you wouldn’t be anti-vaxx. Also gotta love how you guys can call pro-science people pharma shills and whatever you else you want, and it’s fine.

    We (the pesky science believers) have shown a plethora of studies, trials, etc. that the anti-vaxx crowd either doesn’t understand or refuses to understand. Then your big defense is to claim we are all Pharma Shills and post links to whale.to or natural news.

    Also, am I behind on any of the latest conspiracies? I see now that vaccines cause SBS (somehow they cause fractures in the skull), and Alzheimer’s (because Aluminum and Alzheimer’s both start with Al….that was what the anti-vaxxer was arguing….)

  • Roxanne

    Yes, you believe in “science” so much that you have no problem with vaccine trials routinely using NON-INERT
    placebos. The “science” you believe in is better known as
    junk science.

  • Roxanne

    Hmm… Like you saved humanity from the wrath of Scarlet Fever for which there was no vaccine administered.

  • Naomi Birch

    Lots of diseases don’t have vaccines…so?

  • Naomi Birch

    I’ve read about that one. I think there were a couple of car accidents. Oh wait, do vaccines cause car accidents too?

  • Andrew Quackfield

    Gotcha. So the science in peer-reviewed, scientific journals is 100% junk, all of the time no matter what….but an anti-vaccine blog or you tube video claiming otherwise is real science (as long as you buy their supplements and detox programs).

  • Hynymanush

    Give all vaccines to the pro vaxers and let them see what happens then

  • guest233

    Hmm…I bet you believe in global warming and aliens from outer space and ‘you can keep your doctor’ etc.

  • iamwoman

    Why don’t you go run your mouth somewhere else “andrew”, where people care! Cuz we don’t!

  • Andrew Quackfield

    Well yes I believe in climate change, but I’m pretty sure it is the anti-vaccers who believe in the lizard men who are secretly running the government.

  • iamwoman

    We must STAND STRONG in this fight for pro-choice and for our freedoms, the TRUTH will prevail! KEEP THE FAITH!

  • A Person

    Very sad to see people being so arrogant and mean! Remember it took years before the tobacco industry admitted that smoking could cause cancer. Science is the knowledge that we have at a point in time and it is always developing as we learn more. We start hypotheses by listening to people and ideas. If we don’t listen then progress stops. If anyone looks at history, the biggest impact on disease was sanitary water, hygiene and diet. In addition, vaccine damage claims were so great, drug companies couldn’t handle it and are somehow excused of liability!

  • elnura

    Thank you. I appreciate this information. Several years ago I read where Bill Gates was developing software to help target “anti-vaxxers” online and ‘m sure to help target websites that post vaccine articles. Software like this can quickly target and dispatch a squad of abusive emails from fake accounts in a matter of minutes. The focus of these attacks is disruption of any dialogue from commenter who are engaged in discussions about the negative impact of vaccination. Having posted on sites such as CNN, Mother Jones, Daily Beast and HuffPost of which I am no longer hold an account, you quickly learn the difference between organized trolling behavior and people who are just woefully uninformed. When discussing vaccines with someone who is under the spell of the Vaccine Industry & CDC eventually they will say vaccines work because there would still be smallpox and polio. Trolls will just more abusive and aggressive. One of the more insidious tactics troll use is the one where they respond to a comment positively, even offering some data they hope you don’t research to verify. Slowly they begin to shift after they feel they’ve suckered you into their web of confusing comments. The point is to demonstrate to others that the person doesn’t know what they are talking about. Once I figured this one out I just keep asking the person to clarify themselves over and over until they become annoyed and reveal themselves. Really the only defense one has with trolls is to expose them from what I’ve read from psychologist.

    Edward Bernays is a fascinating read. Reading an essay on him I felt the shift and since than, the deception of not only the vaccine industry but the world in general just revealed itself. Unfortunately, what has been revealed isn’t very pretty.

  • Roxanne

    Yes, and calibrate the dosage for their full adult weight!

  • Sarah Formento

    Such name calling shows a lack of growth on their part and lack of appreciation and respect for those that make a certain decision that has been not taken flippantly or without knowledge.
    In July 2000 issue of JAMA, a Doctor documented that over 225,000 deaths each year were/are due to iatrogenic causes!! So that’s deaths caused by what the Doctor administers to his patient :-0 That’s obviously not just concentrating on those who are vaccinated, but it is worrying that Doctors are the third leading cause of death…In the US alone, it’s estimated that medical mistakes in hospitals have killed 7.8 million Americans in the Last decade! So I recon, people, including the “medical profession”/big Vaccine pushers (who believe that todays vaccines are 100% safe) and the government should be concentrating their efforts into trying to understand, appreciate, and above all respect those parents who decline the option of poisoning, sorry I mean vaccinating their own children; and not treat them like thick Yuppie/hippie people that don’t care for their children. In my mind we are the intelligent ones, purely b/c we are questioning what’s in the vaccines that the Doctors freely pump into our children; that we are responsible enough to say no to the onslaught of more vaccines, It’s just good business for the pushers, they should be ashamed!
    Understandably enough though, in business you often discredit people who appear to threaten your own domain of practice; thereby rendering them charlatans…

    Blindingly obvious really,

  • Sarah Formento

    Oh dear, to say you believe in climate change explains a lot to me then about you Andrew Quackfield…and your rather obscure surname, shouldn’t that be anti-quackfield?

  • Roxanne

    Hi Naomi,
    Historically, Scarlet Fever had significant mortality rates
    but just the same as other diseases for which mortality plummeted prior to vaccinations: measles, pertussis, diphtheria etc., death from Scarlet Fever also plummeted.
    The point is vaccine proponents want to take credit for
    reduced mortality by infectious disease when historical records clearly show that improvements in sanitation, cleaner drinking water, better nutrition and housing were
    the real heroes in reducing mortality well before the respective vaccines or antibiotics showed up.

  • Roxanne

    Hi Naomi,
    Forgot to add in this link to the below comment. Please scroll down a ways to view graphs. Thanks
    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Whoop_EngUS_Aus

  • Roxanne

    Hmm… So you’re defending the pseudo-scientific practice
    of using NON-INERT placebos??? Yes or no, please.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    Ah another anti-vaxx staple, the ol vaccines didnt save us gambit.

    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/03/29/the-intellectual-dishonesty-of-the-vacci/

  • Andrew Quackfield

    Which study are you referring to?

  • Roxanne

    Just a small sampling of sources investigating the broad controversy around ‘Shaken Baby Syndrome’…. None
    of whom are “anti-vax” sites:
    ‘Rethinking SBS’ – NPR
    http://www.wbur.org/npr/137471

    ‘Diagnosis Murder’… ‘New evidence suggests…some of those convictions may be wrong.”
    ‘Fifth Estate’ – Investigative Report – CBC Television

    http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episod
    ‘Shaken Baby Syndrome: A Diagnosis Challenged’ – PBS Television

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/
    ‘Does SBS Really Exist?’ – Discover Magazine

    http://discovermagazine.com/20
    ‘Shaken Baby Syndrome Faces New Questions in Court’- New York Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02
    ‘Was it Murder or a Bad Vaccine’ – Jan Goodman – Redbook Magazine

    http://www.whale.to/m/sbs21.ht
    ‘Watchdog Report: SB Science Doubt Grows’

    http://www.democratandchronicl

  • Andrew Quackfield

    None of the links work…and one is to whale .to….which I’m pretty sure is anti-vax.

  • Roxanne

    Wait a minute, you parade vaccines as scientific but you don’t even know that vaccine trials routinely use non-inert placebos? Do you even read the product monographs?
    Try Merck’s HPV vaccine for starters.

  • Roxanne

    If there are link problems which there weren’t when these were initially used in an earlier thread,(just copied and pasted them) then google the title of the article or TV investigations in question. Re. the whale link, the article is not written by them just posted there. ‘Watchdog Report Shaken Baby Science Grows’

  • Roxanne

    That should read “unscienceblogs”

  • Roxanne

    I have to wonder if this includes disappearing links. Some I
    had previously posted on other threads are now coming up
    invalid etc…

  • Roxanne

    Correction:That last title should read: ‘Watchdog report: Shaken Baby Science Doubt Grows’

  • Andrew Quackfield

    I’ll let Orac know.

  • bs

    Yeah, stocks in pharma companies pays big bucks, or doctors pushing these poisons….

  • CJ

    I’d wager most of those offensive comments toward people questioning vaccines were actually made by people who are specifically paid to do just that. Would be interesting to look into the budget the pharmaceutical industry puts into media, and damage control. People are into reading comments these days. I always read the comments…it’s the most direct route to public opinion – hence the intensity with which it has become a tool to manipulate perception.

  • Sallie

    Diffuse the “authority” of the PUSHERS by donating a box of white healthcare workers coats to a homeless shelter near you. When everyone is wearing one, they will lose their cache of authority! Power to the People!

  • CJ

    Isn’t it funny how the fearful vax supporters can’t get their point across without insults or cuss words? Makes me question their intelligence immediately. They always use overly-emotional language, and typically provide no pertinent information, or links, to back up their blind-faith in vaccines. ‘Science’ is the new religion…too bad these people don’t realize that it’s as corrupt as anything!

  • CJ

    The point is…many diseases have been eradicated through sanitation, and adequate nutrition – not ‘immunization’. The best thing to do aside from studying the possible ill-effects of vaccines, is to study how the immune system actually works.

  • CJ

    Yeah…let David Gorski know that he is a fraud, and the truth will prevail in the end.
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/06/david-gorskis-financial-pharma-ties-what-he-didnt-tell-you.html

  • bs

    Their argument, rightfully so even, is that tobacco (organically grown, processed) most likely doesn’t cause cancer, or at least at the epidemic levels. But all the chemicals and additives that heighten the addictive levels makes them very carcinogenic, at the epidemic levels. So, in the same way, these fragmented dead virus’ probably cause no issues, even when injected, or at least at the current proportions, but add all the aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde, foreign dna, etc., it now makes them very dangerous. I think people need to be educated at a very basic level about these things as well. Things need to be put in the proper perspective and shown at the proper proportion. So many sensitive subjects are obscured due to labeling and generalizing. All the testing done (I’ve read several that I have been able to look at without paying for a subscription) show only antibody response that hasn’t been proven to even indicate immunization, and the placebo was never saline or other safe/neutral solution that wouldn’t cause any issues. Also, they always indicate a startling number of adverse reactions and DEATH saying they are not attributed to the vaccines (which they can’t prove or disprove. This in itself shows me that in these studies (that were used to get them approved) they were never shown to work, be safe, and actually showed that 15% of people that are injected will DIE, without showing any potential benefits. These pro-vaxers (paid or not) either a. don’t have the skills to critically think, gave up on trying to critically think, don’t care too/are being paid not to, and and/or rely on others not to be able to or to give up. My method, keep to all the ones I can reach… so far I grew 3 fold in 2 years. That may spread to more hopefully… in time we will win.

  • CJ

    1. Who paid for those studies and trials that you use as examples?
    2. If you understood the immune system you wouldn’t be pro-vax.
    3. ‘Science’ is fallible…and easily manipulated. Unless you did the testing yourself, then you are simply exercising blind faith. Science is the new religion, don’t you know?
    4. Pharmaceutical companies are not altruistic…they are in it for the money. If you think otherwise, you are being incredibly naïve. They have some of the most powerful lobbyists in D.C.
    5. What is your motivation? Seems very fear based.
    6. G.P.s (general practitioners) make mistakes, are not extensively trained in nutrition, or immunology. And, they make very good money giving doling out shots – with no liability. Explain that.

  • CJ

    Who is funding the studies? Who owns the scientific & medical journals?

  • Miko

    I would love to now the political affiliation of the rude people making these comments? Conservatives, liberals, or a mix of both………

  • CJ

    Not to mention…when you get a pap smear and they scrape the cervix with a wooden spatula…perhaps that is not such a good idea. Who knows what’s on that spatula!!! Pap smears are humiliating, having some usually cold, metal, contraption inserted into your vagina is really barbaric imo…which is why I stopped getting them a very long time ago. My trust in the western medicine has steadily waned since.

  • CJ

    You are a keen observer! We need more people like you in this world.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    Well if it’s on Age of Autism it must be true! haha.

  • Stephanie Turner

    I’ve gotten rude, horrible comments from almost every person I’ve ever tried to talk about the subject of vaccines with. Liberals and conservatives alike. I think their extreme hate comes from the chance that they could be TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY WRONG!

  • Lisa

    I’d like to see the people who made these heartless comments receive 1000 vaccines at once.

  • Lisa

    Screw your slanted science.

    I don’t want your schit medicine nor do I want my child to have any of it.

    How about THAT. You arrogant douche.

  • cherry misra

    There is no one like Dr. Wakefield to cut to what is really important and illuminating. Recently in an interview he stated that the head of the CDC gave a speech in which he said that the topmost priority is to improve the uptake of Gardasil. Wakefields comment – One in six American children have a neurological disorder and his topmost priority is to improve the uptake of Gardasil !
    Wakefield is right on target- With public health employees like this, who care nothing for the children who are suffering, we can expect for ourselves- NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, except that we need to be strong and brave and make the best decisions for our own health and for the health of our children, on our own, and frankly I dont think that is too difficult. I have lived in India, brought up my children in India for over 40 years, and I rarely visited a doctor for myself or for my children. Yes, friends, that’s right- India, where supposedly everyone is dying right and left . My only regret is that I did not know more about nutrition and sunlight/vitamin D. In fact , the last time I heard of a child from a poor family dying in India , was a three year old child, living near me, who became paralysed after polio drops (vaccine) and died 6 months later. Thankyou very much Mr. Bill Gates. Cases of real polio have been extremely rare, for many years, so you have to conclude that this child died for nothing.All the risk and no gain.

  • Keith

    Friends, in the book of Acts in the bible, Acts 8:9 it talks about a man using sorcery. In the Strongs commentary #03096 it is defined as to practice magic-use sorcery. In Revelation 9:21 & Revelation 18:23 it uses the word Sorceries. The definition of the word in the original Greek according to Strongs concordance #05331 is Pharmakeia, (from which we get our word Pharmacy). It reads medication(“pharmacy”) I. e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively)-sorcery, witchcraft. Also Strongs #05332 is defined from pharmakon (a drug, i.e. spellgiving potion); a druggist (“pharmacist”) or poisoner, i.e. (by extension) a magician;-sorcerer. The Devil is the one playing the magician, not the LORD JESUS CHRIST, the creator of the Universe. Go Figure.

  • jostoich

    The “pro vaxer” comments were most likely shills from big pharma – wouldn’t put it past them. This kind of thing happens all the time. Those with vested interest, pose as concerned citizens and attack with a vengeance. And for those who really are sincere about it, they have been brainwashed and are hopeless. The truth is out there and becoming known widespread. The evidence of vaccine damage is mounting. The Gardasil vaccine is a total scam and dangerous. Don’t take the risk!

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    It amazes me that the pro-vaxers can’t give any credible evidence to support their beliefs and absolutely refuse to talk about or listen to any evidence, no matter how scientific that goes against their belief. All they can say is “oh, they have to get vaccinated.” How did they become so Pied Piper brainwashed anyway?

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    so tell me Mr. Quack, I imagine you believe in evolution as well. So then how come you don’t believe in survival of the fittest? Isn’t that what evolution is all about? Herd immunity comes from natural immunity, not vaccines. Natural immunity as in, some people get the disease and yes they might die, so that the majority survive. How is it that those deaths are so much worse than the deaths caused by vaccines, oh, tha’ts right, there hasn’t been a single one right? And the Holocaust was a figment of the imagination too, right? I bet if you or your loved one was the one injured or dead from a vaccine you would be screaming to, if you have a heart at all, which I doubt. I had a reaction to the MMR vaccine I was forced to take as an adult even tho I had had all those as a child and survived quite nicely. I spent 6 months with horribly painful joints and yes, it was definitely caused by the vaccine, which also made me get the measles.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    Hey Quack, your so called science can be, and is bought and paid for. Who has the most to gain, the companies who make billions pedaling their fraud science and vaccines or the families who, even if they sued would probably get almost nothing from it? The victims have nothing to gain while big pharma has everything to lose. Follow the money, ask who paid for the research and who ordered it and who did it. Enough said.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    It’s sort of their way of apologizing to the world for their ignorance.

  • ciaparker2

    You’re right, but I don’t think there’s any doubt at all that most of them were paid shills. Dorit Reiss put over a thousand comments on the first blog article, and many on the “conversation” continuation. I just don’t know why it’s taking the majority so long to wake up and just say no!

  • elnura

    Science blogs is funded by the pharmaceutical industry and run by David Gorski know as Orac. He is a highly paid shrill.

    David Gorski’s Financial Pharma Ties: What He Didn’t Tell You
    By Jake Crosby

    His
    motto is “A statement of fact cannot be insolent,” yet the title of his
    blog reads “Respectful Insolence.” In other words, even he admits there
    are no facts on his blog.

    He has become the online spokesperson
    for the vaccine industry, a member of the highly trafficked,
    drug-industry-sponsored “Science”Blogs where he heavily promotes the
    tobacco science obscuring causes of autism. Posting under the science
    fiction name “Orac,” David Gorski has become the most outspoken,
    self-styled “skeptic” in defense of mercury that exceeds EPA limits in
    vaccines. Another example of a cause of autism he vehemently denies is
    the MMR – the triple, combined live-virus vaccine implicated in measles
    virus infection in the ileum, peripheral blood mononuclear cells, and
    cerebrospinal fluid of children who have autistic enterocolitis.

    In
    case anybody’s wondering what David Gorski’s connection is to the
    autism debate, he has undisclosed financial ties to the vaccine
    industry. He has made no mention of these connections, despite stating
    in one of his many defenses of millionaire vaccine industrialist Paul
    Offit, “A general principle is that undisclosed potential conflicts
    of interest (COIs) are of far more concern and potentially far more
    damaging to the scientific process than disclosed COIs.” However, Gorski has steadfastly denied possessing any conflicts, having once told me online without my even accusing him, “You are wrong. I receive no money from pharmaceutical companies and haven’t for 14 years.”

    Sanofi-Gorski

    Well,
    it so happens Sanofi-Aventis – the world’s largest vaccine maker – is
    involved in several partnerships under which the company may be required
    to pay a total of €31 million ($39 million USD) from 2008 to 2013.
    Gorski’s employer, Wayne State University, is one of the partners, and
    he is conducting a clinical trial of one of the company’s drugs.
    Therefore, like Offit (who concealed the millions he received in Merck
    royalty payments because Merck paid the royalties to a third party, not
    Offit directly) Gorski has a reasonable expectation to receive money
    from a vaccine maker, even if it is through a third party. A look at the
    summary description of the Gorski Lab reveals that his research focus
    is drug discovery and development. However, he is not developing a new
    drug, but rather, developing new uses for an existing one. Such a
    process is far more profitable to the drug manufacturer as it eliminates
    the costs of developing a new substance from scratch, thereby
    maximizing profits for the company.
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/06/david-gorskis-financial-pharma-ties-what-he-didnt-tell-you.html

  • Terry

    Why does political affiliation have anything to do with it??? Were talking about life here.

  • elnura

    Well now you’ve outed yourself as a pharmaceutical TROLL. Only the trolls throw the word anti-vax and ant-science and to attempt to tweak things up a bit by throwing in the anti-science. Than you listed sites that you think are anti-vax or anti-science which demonstrates how uninformed you are and how you’ve never really researched the information on these site. You’re going by what’s on your script and what you’ve been told.

    You can use all the buzz words but it’s not working here.

    Let me ask you this. What do you get out of this? Does this empower you in some way? Is it the money? Or are you just an angry person who has found an outlet inappropriate as it may be? You know there are multiple psychological studies online since trolling began and they all say the same thing. People who engage in this activity, if assessed psychologically, would be diagnosed as sociopaths. It’s sad and unfortunate that adults who are exercising the constitutional freedom of speech are subject to a military style attack by our own government to prevent the free flow of information when we as citizens have the right to make our own choices. Unfortunately it is also brings out the darker side of many people and gives them paid free reign to commit be abusive.

    Truth is Truth, even if no one believes it..
    A Lie Is A Lie, even if everyone believes it.

  • elnura

    I have to wonder if this includes disappearing links.

    It depends on the site. Some sites have issues with links links Natural News. The moderators will allow limited linking-don’t understand why but if you post a comment with a link it can be held in moderation for up to 48 hours. More mainstream like CNN in regards to vaccines will post your comment with the links but will not post your comment immediately. Because these boards can get up to several hundred comments a day, you comment will be posted but won’t get read by many people because a lot of people will only read maybe a hundred or so comments before they lose interest. In other words they post but bury the comment. HuffPost just won’t post comments that the moderators don’t agree with. The moderator Nazi’s over there are given the option to post comments based on their own personal judgement. If the article is about vaccines and you comment on something with verifiable links and they are pro-vaccine-forget it. They won’t post. It also depends on the funding source of the site. There are so many variable working her it’s really hard to pin point. Just keep posting and don’t be afraid of being attack. If you are, you’ve hit a nerve and pushed someone out of their comfort zone. I don’t do this to make people comfortable. I do this for my family and to make humanity healthier.

  • Sallie
  • Sallie

    Archive of Sandy Lunoe’s articles for VacTruth.com

    http://vactruth.com/category/writers/sandy-lunoe/

  • Roxanne

    Thanks for the info, and yes, it people get rattled by the truth so be it. Invariably, for the future and health of humanity,
    eyes must be opened, no matter how hard it is for some to
    confront deeply embedded programming. Re. the links, I was referring to assorted articles, TV investigations re.
    the controversy around SBS which I posted on a recent
    Vactruth thread with most coming up find but when I re-posted them again further up to shill Andrew they came
    up blank etc. (Also, thanks for the details re. Gorki and co.)
    I’d assume it’s safe to say that the quack Quackbusters,
    assorted ‘Skeptics’ groups etc., are also connected to
    Gorski or have their own tie$ to big pharma. It’s amazing
    how the supposedly independent local skeptics group seem
    to have such ins with the media as to get so much coverage
    for their inquisitions against homeopathy, vaccine opposition
    etc. No accident, I suspect.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Oh wow, another Gorski (aka Orac) link, from the no science there, literal tabloid trash blog.

    THE ISSUES

    Did they really eradicate disease? A 1999 study from JAMA, the Journal of the American Medical Association, looked at the death rate from infectious disease since 1940. (1) What’s clear is that the death rate went down by 90% before vaccines were introduced. Other careful studies, such as that by J.B. and S.M. McKinlay, show that the vaccine-related diseases such as tuberculosis, diphtheria, smallpox and others were declining before vaccination came along. (10) So there’s a question of whether vaccines were actually responsible for eradicating disease. Even the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control, admits it was simply improved hygiene, improved sanitation like indoor plumbing and better nutrition (14) that reduced disease.

    Read more: http://www.liveto110.com/vaccinations-cause-chronic-immune-system-dysregulation/

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Dr Andrew Wakefield – MMR Vaccine – Truth and Reality http://www.vacfacts.info/dr-andrew-wakefield—mmr-vaccine—truth-and-reality.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Really? Give me some aluminum adjuvant safety studies to counter all these independent studies that show exactly how vaccines do their harm and cause injury. Nothing would be enough would it?

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism. http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    Want A Strong Argument Against Vaccines
    http://www.vacfacts.info/want-a-strong-argument-against-vaccines.html

    Want a strong argument against vaccines? You can take this little expose to your Pediatrician, and long with this Informed Consent form below. If they can not fill that form out and sign it, thus officially standing on their claims that vaccines are safe and effective, then just take your kids and walk out the door.

    Informed Consent
    http://www.vacfacts.info/informed-consent–vaccine-risks-disclosure-form.html

    Simian Virus 40 DNA Found In US Children

    Researchers in the US have uncovered molecular evidence of simian virus 40 (SV40) infections in tissue samples from four children born after 1982. Researchers used a polymerase chain reaction technique to identify SV40 DNA in archival tissue samples from the 13 antibody-positive children for whom tissue samples were available. The researchers discovered SV40 DNA in tissue samples from four children: three kidney transplant patients and one patient with Wilms’ tumor. A sample from one of the kidney transplant patients also yielded human polyomavirus BK virus DNA products. Sequence analysis showed that the SV40 DNA strains did not arise from laboratory contamination, the team reports.

    J Infect Disease September 1999;180:884-887

    COMMENT (Dr. Thomas Stone) The Polyoma virus caused cancers in every animal receiving it! It was discovered that the Polyoma virus was IDENTICAL to the SV40 virus that grossly contaminated the polio vaccine prior to 1964 and continues to contaminate vaccines used by pediatricians today! Which vaccines are contaminated???”

    “It was Bernice Eddy whose lab tests showed the Cutter vaccine had been inadequately treated. Eventually she lost her labs pursuing and espousing the truth. Her treatment scandalized the scientific community and resulted in a U.S. Senate investigation during which she warned legislators that unless the vaccine contamination problem was addressed, SLOW monkey viruses would simply deliver human cancer epidemics around the world.

    And what has happened?? Are these cancer causing viruses the only contamination problem?

    “Discovery of an atypical virus infecting humans linked to viral vaccines produced on monkey tissues In what could be one of the most important scientific discoveries of this decade, an award winning pathologist and immunologist at the University of Southern California, W. John Martin, M.D., Ph.D., has discovered an atypical virus infecting both children and adults who are exhibiting neurological, psychiatric and autoimmune disorder symptoms with diagnoses including chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, depression, schizophrenia, anxiety disorder, seizures, developmental delays, autism, lupus, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, unexplained encephalopathy and chronic vegetative states.

    Martin and his colleagues at USC’s Infectious Diseases and Molecular Pathology Laboratories have been meticulously culturing out stealth viruses from patients for the past eight years and, in a stunning development earlier this year, successfully identified one of the viruses as being of African green monkey origin by using DNA sequence analysis. Kidney tissues from African green monkeys have been used to make the live oral polio vaccine OPV) as well as other viral vaccines during the past three decades.”

    We had better hope that the satanic spin-doctors are able to bury the significance of this SV 40 discovery. How will we in the medical profession appear if the public discovers that we have been a major source of MANY types of CANCER with our MANDATED DIRTY vaccines?

    Source link:
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/1999/08/30/simian-virus-40-dna-found-in-us-children.aspx

    Alternate link;
    http://israeliteidentity.com/poliostone.htm

    Medicine Kills Millions
    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/

    Here is a GOOD read, and briefly explains it like it is.

    Modern Medicine and Vaccines – In A Nut Shell http://www.vacfacts.info/modern-medicine-and-vaccines—in-a-nut-shell.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    You are the typical version of brainwashed and mislead, AQ.

    Glutathione, Tylenol, Vaccine Adverse Reactions, and ASD
    http://www.vacfacts.info/glutathione-tylenol-vaccine-adverse-reactions-and-asd.html

    Lesson 2—Explore/Explain
    Neurons, Brain Chemistry, and Neurotransmission http://science.education.nih.gov/supplements/nih2/addiction/guide/lesson2-1.htm

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism. http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    Modern Medicine and Vaccines – In A Nut Shell http://www.vacfacts.info/modern-medicine-and-vaccines—in-a-nut-shell.html

    Scientific Evidence Suggests The Vaccine-Autism Link Can No Longer Be Ignored
    http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/09/12/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines-can-cause-autism/#sthash.8IhuMSPN.dpuf

  • sabelmouse

    for many people science has become religion and that’s how they really approach it while kidding themselves that they are rational. especially concerning medicine and vaccinations.

    http://www.sott.net/article/217766-Modern-Medicine-The-Hidden-Influence-of-Beliefs-and-Fears

  • Andrew Quackfield

    Mostly I do it because I am paid to by my big pharma overlords. I mean how else could anybody in their right mind be pro-science and pro-medicine? It can’t be because of all the overwhelming scientific evidence….

  • Andrew Quackfield

    Just so I’m clear once again, ANY study ever published in a scientific journal that is pro-medicine and/or pro-vaccine is all part of a conspiracy by big pahrma?

  • Andrew Quackfield

    I believe that is now Mr. Andrew Wakefield. I’ve always wondered how the anti-vaccine crowd can just gloss over the fact that Wakefield was paid by lawyers to make up a link between MMR and Autism….because he held a patent on a single jab vaccine. But that is not a conflict of interest right? But if a researcher works at a university, and a different department have an endowed chair paid for by a pharmacetical company, none of their research should count….

  • Andrew Quackfield

    Crosby’s Labyrinth really is fascinating…

  • Andrew Quackfield

    That sums up the anti-science, anti-vaccine stance quite well. Science and evidence is thrown at them over and over again and they do the equivalent of putting their fingers in their ears and screaming…

  • sabelmouse

    personally i prefer health and real science. not religion masquerading as science

    http://www.sott.net/article/217766-Modern-Medicine-The-Hidden-Influence-of-Beliefs-and-Fears

    and a medical system that’s incompetent at best while demanding absolute obedience.

  • Vipered

    Ty for keeping us informed and strong in numbers my thoughts and strength go out to the victims and families

  • Jezebelle

    Isn’t it awesome how those for vaccines are so willing to stoop to vicious and insidiously vile and evil comments when their bs no longer works?

  • elnura

    Just to you.

  • elnura

    It can’t be because of all the overwhelming scientific evidence….

    Please provide the following in terms of scientific evidence to demonstrate the effectiveness and safety of vaccines.

    - provide one Independent double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    -provide scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    -provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

    -please explain how the safety and mechanism of vaccines in the human body are scientifically proven if
    their pharmacokinetics (the study of bodily absorption, distribution, metabolism and excretion of ingredients) are never examined or analyzed in any vaccine
    study?

    - please provide scientific justification as to how injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to
    human health and prevents disease?

    -provide a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the intended goal of preventing
    disease?

    All studies and data must be from Independent sources. No pharmaceutical funded studies/data and the researches must not have any financial ties to any of the following in the US or internationally:
    -pharmaceutical industry or any agency with ties to.
    -CDC, FDA, IOM, Gates Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, NIH, AMA, AAP,

    -no university or hospital funded studies by big pharma

    Just Independent studies and data that can be verified. No vaccine shrilling plethora of words, no abusive name calling, no avoidance of the questions by asking other questions.

    We all look forward to reading the information your provide.

  • elnura

    Do you even read the product monographs?

    No, he’s reading a script.

  • elnura

    Welcome. No, vaccines themselves don’t cause car accidents but there are several anecdotal stories on the Sane Vax website where young ladies were injected with Gardasil and on their drive home passed out at the wheel of their vehicle and caused an accident.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    Ah there it is, another anti-vaxx staple! I demand you provide me this data – but – I am going to pose limits to the data I will allow you to use, thus eliminating any and all evidence of vaccine safety and efficacy. I will then claim an internet victory for anti-science! So I am guessing that none of these 40+ studies count correct? http://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/vaccinestudies.pdf

    Can you provide the same level of evidence for your side? And you can’t use any “study” that has any ties to any anti-vaccine author or website.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    Not reading a script per se, we just have certain points that we are required to bring up in order to collect our checks.

  • elnura

    3:13 seconds sums it all up about the coordinated attack on Katie Coric and the people who are opposed to the non-science of vaccine as well as how and why people believe vaccines are sacrosanct.

    George Carlin The Best 3 Minutes of His Career “The American Dream
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ

    warning: if you are the timid persuasion well, Carlin is Carlin.

  • elnura

    The Doors of Perception: Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything
    http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/doors/doors-of-perception/

  • sabelmouse

    real science is always open. it never creates or reinforces dogma. that would be religion.

    http://www.sott.net/article/217766-Modern-Medicine-The-Hidden-Influence-of-Beliefs-and-Fears

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    That reply should have a frame around it and be on the wall of every Pediatricians office, anywhere they exist.

    The basic arguments here surround the fact that the vaccine promoters promote their pharma vaccine inventions as having saved millions of lives. They state that the science proves them as safe and effective.

    The basic argument the vaccine truth promoters claim to is that vaccines are counter productive to the physiological health of an individual, which basically involves as well an understanding of the easily understood concepts of the false germ theory. We maintain that vaccines contain toxic ingredients counterproductive to good health, and that the toxicity of a vaccine combined with who knows what known and unknown contamination of that vaccine during manufacturing, with the use of nearly unlimited animal parts and blood serums and even aborted fetal cells used in that vaccine production; that all this constitutes vaccine for profit madness that has never done anything but in the bigger picture created and unleashed untold human suffering and chronic illness and disease, to include autism which is actually only the tip of the iceberg.

    We maintain as well vaccines are not even close to being as effective as we have been mislead to believe, and that the vaccine ineffectiveness cover-up has existing since the first time vaccines were ever invented. WE maintain that the human suffering and the adverse effects on health caused by vaccines has been ignored and with a false directive that the science does not show that to be true. As was the first efforts to organize modern medicine, they proclaimed of it was and would be evidence and science based. In its now approximately 100 year history, pharma based so called modern medicine has rarely ever been truly and actually science and evidence based. Nothing can be actually science based; when the entire foundation of the understanding of physiological health care that your working with; was based on false understandings of real health care, to begin with.
    Pharmaceutical company corruption and greed as well has run rampant, and that is only getting worse instead of better. It is not about health care. It is about repeat customers and getting filthy stinking rich.

    We maintain as well that we have been misinformed and lied to about and regarding the CDC claim that severe and harmful vaccine reactions and resulting vaccine injuries, only happen with a 1 in 1 million chance of that happening. We maintain that thousands of vaccine injuries resulting in disability, and also autism have occurred all across the US, alone. World wide the toll from vaccine harm has to be near to unimaginable. Even if vaccines had been and were 100% effective hypothetically; we still as a society deserve to be provided informed consent based on the real knowledge of the benefits verses all of the risks. The pharma vaccine shills do not believe that you have that right, and they simply continue to deny the evidence of that harm repeatedly and no matter what; nothing would be enough. They simply maintain the repeated parroting of the endless fear mongering about so called vaccine preventable diseases, and complete with again and again, the same and known false vaccine promoting propaganda.

    Modern Medicine and Vaccines – In A Nut Shell
    http://www.vacfacts.info/modern-medicine-and-vaccines—in-a-nut-shell.html

    If you want a brief description of how actually VILE and against any common sense these vaccine concoctions really are. http://www.vacfacts.info/want-a-strong-argument-against-vaccines.html

  • Miko

    Terry, It is just a sociological question. I have often wondered who is more concerned about vaccine safety; liberals or conservatives. The same question applies to organic food vs GMO food. America is collapsing under the pressures of international Marxism. If one party is more willing to listen to our cries for safety then it seems reasonable to elect those that are more concerned for our health rather than the opposing party. Too many Americans look at politics like its a football game.. Our team against yours. One party is really for Liberty and the other is concerned about controlling every aspect of your life. I say a government concerned about liberty would say vaccines need to be tested or scrapped. The party that wants to control every aspect of your life would force you into compliance with the FDA and the USDA…Any questions of why political affiliation matter?

  • Miko

    So you are a moderate?

  • Jim Bob

    There are mountains of credible evidence supporting the science of vaccination compared to the miniscule amounts of evidence that support its harm.
    When scientific results are constantly and repeatedly found to be the same we accept it as fact. Hence the support for vaccination by all governments and health agencies across the world.
    The irrational fears of the anti-vaccine movement have been proven wrong more times than one can count but you continue to follow the song of the merry piper playing his conspiracy tune off while walking right off the bridge.
    If it were only the anti-vax crowd walking off the bridge, I (and others) would most likely be quiet but you are intent on dragging everyone with you by compromising herd immunity and spreading anti-vax mythology.

  • Lilly G

    I believe it is a mix. I know people on both sides of the divide. But Conservative politicians tend to also be pro-big business, which is often bad for the environment.

    Third parties are probably going to be the best bet for effective change.

    ~Lilly Gabriella (FB)

  • Lilly G

    I’m Green Party with Libertarian leanings.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Isn’t it not funny how the pro-vaccine side can mindlessly believe and follow all of the false discreditation trash that was put out there on Wakefield.

    It is no longer even about Wakefield any more, it is so far progressed past that in regard to the supporting science and data; and you people refuse to move forward in light of that fact. You just keep on parrotting the attacking trash that you have been fed. Wakefield was NEVER paid to MAKE up a link between vaccines and autism, and you need to remove that statement as it is libelous slander. Wakefield has always and earnestly looked for the truth in science, and as well earnestly for a way to help the now obviously 1000′s of MMR vaccine injured children. He as well did not have a patent on the single jab; more misinformation.

    How do you explain all of this supporting science, and these additional supporting studies. Studies that as well the CDC refuses to recognize. That 1998 study for all practical purposes has been replicated and repeated multiple times and with the same and similar results. It is all being ignored. The success of biomedical treatment in the reversal of autism, (ASD), that is as well being ignored even though children across the country are recovering ever day. They refuse to accept that success as real simply because it clearly implicates vaccines, and especially the MMR vaccine as the cause. It could not get much more evil and deceptive than that.

    Your choice, you can continue to go with the lies, and continue to attempt to mislead the public again and again; or you can go with the truth.

    Research References
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    Biomedical Treatment in Autism (ASD) http://www.vacfacts.info/biomedical-treatment-in-autism-asd.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Your science is nothing but for the most part largely corrupted by greed. In addition to that the worst part is that all of modern pharma medicine was originally based on a false foundation of understanding. There is a very simple understanding here. Do you choose to get it, or not get it?

    Our society operates on the theory that germs cause disease. Is this true? Have you ever challenged this belief? If germs cause disease, how is it that you can have a room full of people exposed to the same germs and some get sick while others don’t?

    Accelerate Thinking Ep. 16 – The Germ Theory Is False
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug8c-XfqOdA

    Origins of Medical Industry Corruption
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NheKUW6kGuY

    The False Foundations of Modern Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

  • Terry

    I agree, vax supporters do seem to lack basic writing and speaking skills. But you can’t blame them. They’ve been vaccinated so they are at a disadvantage. I think they’ve lost some brain cells or acquired some new ones that are clearly of an inferior strain. Also, when you’re being paid to be rude the more profanity you use the greater your pay scale — I suppose. Kind of goes with the territory. The beauty of their stupidity is you can pick out the shills really easy by their lack of vocabulary. I guess when you don’t really have a scientific leg to stand on your only recourse is rudeness and brute force ad nauseam.

  • Miko

    I suppose green is good as long as we are not taxed to death. Humans should be better stewards of the world.
    I’m afraid not enough people are open or willing to read this website… Liberals are often quoted as saying they are open minded, but when you bring up the idea of vaccine safety they call you paranoid.. I suppose we should just trust the FDA… By the way, the FDA is working hard to close down small pharmacies especially compounding pharmacies. Our current government believes CVS is all we need.
    I’m personally conservative at heart. I love my constitution and liberty which the current government is taking away with its obamacare. more forced vaccines.
    I am not represented by the republican party. They are really the same as the democrats. …Naturalnews.com owner talks about a canary party. They want food and drug safety. No GMO, more organic, and more personal gardens. Tie this in with the green party and Ron Paul and we have a winner..

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Andrew Quackfield > elnura
    • 6 hours ago

    [Ah there it is, another anti-vaxx staple! I demand you provide me this data - but - I am going to pose limits to the data I will allow you to use, thus eliminating any and all evidence of vaccine safety and efficacy.

    ----------

    Can you provide the same level of evidence for your side? And you can't use any "study" that has any ties to any anti-vaccine author or website.]

    ——–

    DO YOU NOT FIND ANY HYPOCRISY IN THAT STATEMENT? What difference does it make if the studies you want, are listed as referenced on what you consider an anti vaccine website. The people that have created those lists of said studies have done so, so they do not need to list multiple studies in multiple reply posts on sites such as vactruth. You either accept the studies in the form they come to you, or get can gone from posting here again with you nonsense and refusal of the scientific studies you asked for. Your major level of hypocrisy is quite evident, and it is only a persistent denial of the existing science tactic that all of you pro-vaccine shills have been repeatedly using. Get honest or get gone, is my suggestion to you; otherwise you are just a waste of out time reply to you.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    A complete analysis of all of the main and larger epidemiological studies that they at the CDC, claim to showing no connection between Vaccines and ASD. Clearly those studies are unreliable, and they as well amount to nothing more than statistical junk science; based on flawed study designs, unreliable data, a high amount of bias; and funding by sources with an obvious and clear interest in not finding any connection.

    Part 1: Vaccines and Autism – What Do Epidemiological Studies Really Tell Us?
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/07/part-1-.html

    Part 2: Vaccines and Autism – What Do Epidemiological Studies Really Tell Us?
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/07/part-2-.html

    Another complete evaluation analysis of all the top Thimerosal studies, below.

    The Fallacy of Thimerosal Removal & Autism Increase: A Failure of Science, A Bigger Failure to Children Worldwide
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/03/the-fallacy-of-thimerosal-removal-autism-increase-a-failure-of-science-a-bigger-failure-to-children-.html

    The “14″ Studies
    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/studies.html

    The above refutes ever study to have on that AAP source page, Quackfield.

    —————–

    Now, this is the supporting science that supports our vaccine truth side of it. You refuse it, and that is evidence of denial, and you denial and in the refusal to be honest about the science and data you claim to, Quackfield!

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism. http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    The Vaccine Damage Science
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-vaccine-damage—science.html

    The Independent and Unbiased Vaccine Safety Science
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-unbiased-vaccine-science-and-data.html

    I created this below page, specifically for people like you, Andrew Quackfield!

    The CDC Claimed To Epidemiological Safety Studies – Verses – The Independent Physiological Vaccine Safety Science http://www.vacfacts.info/the-cdc-claimed-to-epidemiological-safety-studies-ndash-verses-ndash-the-independent-physiological-vaccine-safety-science.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    You might want to actually read your reply to that above. You do not have any real science, Quackfield.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    I refute your science from multiple journal sources, most of which are also published the studies in Pubmed. Go look.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    So you can use “evidence” from whale .to, natural news, age of autism, vacfacts, etc. but I cannot use any studies from peer-reviewed scientific journals or health agencies….

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Naomi is clearly nothing but a pro-vaccine, vaccine harm denialist, shill. Seen her multiple reply posting elsewhere, before. Her and such as Dorit Reiss have a lot in common. Can’t face it and have to much to lose in facing the vaccine truth.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    I’m not sure what you mean?

  • Andrew Quackfield
  • Andrew Quackfield

    Please stop trying to kill children by convincing their parents to stop vaccinating.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    “He as well did not have a patent on the single jab; more misinformation.”

    So this is fake?

    http://briandeer.com/wakefield/vaccine-patent.htm

  • elnura

    The request was for INDEPENDENT STUDIES. The AAP is wholly owned by the pharmaceutic industry. All the other non-profits are owned by the industry too.

    Formula manufacturers “donate $1 million annually to the American Academy of Pediatrics in the form of a renewable grant that has already netted the AAP
    $8 million. (guess who the formula manufacturers are?)

    The formula industry also contributed at least $3 million toward the building costs of the AAP headquarters.” (Mothering magazine, July-August, p.60;
    refers to a book Milk, Money and Madness by Naomi Baumslag and Dia L. Michels (Westport, Conn.: Bergin and Garvey, 1995, p. 172))

    CBS News has found these three have something more in
    common – strong financial ties to the industry whose products they promote and defend.

    The vaccine industry gives millions to the Academy of Pediatrics for conferences, grants, medical education classes and even helped build their headquarters. The totals are kept secret, but public documents reveal bits and pieces.

    A $342,000 payment from Wyeth, maker of the pneumococcal vaccine – which makes $2 billion a year in
    sales.

    A $433,000 contribution from Merck, the same year the academy endorsed Merck’s HPV vaccine – which made $1.5 billion a year in sales.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-independent-are-vaccine-defenders/

    Non-Profit Organizations Receiving Corporate Funding: http://www.cspinet.org/integrity/nonprofit/american_academy_of_pediatrics.html

    AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS
    “Friends of Children Fund” Annual Report, July 1, 1996 – June 30, 1997, indicates $2.085 million in funding from corporations. Donors include Procter & Gamble, Gerber, Infant Formula Council, McNeil Consumer Products Company, National Cattlemen’s Beef Association, Johnson & Johnson Consumer Products,
    Abbott Laboratories, Wyeth-Lederle Vaccine & Pediatrics, Mead Johnson Nutritionals, SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals, Schering Corp., Rhone-Poulenc
    Rorer, Food Marketing Institute, Sugar Association, International Food Information Council, Merck Vaccine Division, and others.

    According to a New York Times article, the Ross Products Unit of Abbott Laboratories, the maker of Similac infant formula, purchased 300,000 copies of the AAP’s “New Mother’s Guide to Breastfeeding” with Ross’ logo and name on them. In addition, “Ross, McNeil and Johnson & Johnson were the top three corporate supporters of the academy’s $65 million operating budget…each giving
    $500,000 or more.” (New York Times, 9/18/02,
    C1)

    Also, all the FREE STUFF” new mothers receive during their pregnancies, the Mothering books on child care, the diaper bags, diapers, free formula, bottles, carriers etc come from the pharmaceutical industry and endorsed by the AAP.

    As Ben Goldace states in his book “Bad Pharma”

    Medicine is Broken. Drugs are tested by the people
    who manufacture them, in poorly designed trials, on hopelessly small numbers of weird, unrepresentative patients, and analyzed using techniques which are flawed
    by design, in such a way that they exaggerate the benefits of treatments. Unsurprisingly, these trials tend to produce results that favour the manufacturer. When trials throw up results that companies don’t like, they are perfectly entitled to hide them from doctors and patients, so we only ever see a distorted picture of any drug’s true effects.

    The listing you provided are not from an Independent source. Please answer the above questions with INDEPENDENT studies.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    As I suspected, you claim none of those studies count. Clearly all of their data was falsified in the name of a global conspiracy.

    Basically you are asking me to prove that 2+2=4 but I am not allowed to use math.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    He applied for a patent, he did not have a patent. That patent was for a considered as a much safer form of measles vaccine, (safer than the existing MMR vaccine which was believed causing problems with IBD, and it clearly has been). The patent as well was for a combined vaccine with a therapeutic agent that corrected or treated the often resulting as said, IBS found with the MMR vaccine.

    In no way does that said and actually valid and gallant effort, constitute any form of major conflict of interest, nor fraud.

  • elnura

    You didn’t suspect it, you were hoping I didn’t read any of it. That link, as well as the 14 studies, has been floated by trolls in all vaccine debates for the last 5 years. When it’s outed as being solely vaccine industry paid for the trolls do what you’ve done in your post-play the “Oh nothing will be acceptable to you and than become incredulous and indignant to avoid admitting that you don’t have anything. You don’t have any Independent studies. Your handlers can’t find any. Or they just refuse to look being afraid of what they may find. You hope this approach will salvage your creditability but the thing is on this thread, you never had any. Don’t you guys/girls know by now when you invoke: Conspiracy Theory, Anti-Vaxx or just Conspiracy-your creditability is immediately tanked.

    I continue to look forward to the data I requested. In addition to the studies-the linked ones did address the other questions:

    -provide scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    -provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

    -please explain how the safety and mechanism of vaccines in the human body are scientifically proven if
    their pharmacokinetics (the study of bodily absorption, distribution, metabolism and excretion of ingredients) are never examined or analyzed in any vaccine study?

    - please provide scientific justification as to how injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to
    human health and prevents disease?

    -provide a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the intended goal of preventing disease?

    Independent studies and data please.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    These are excerpts from your article.

    Quote: Wakefield’s retracted paper has the following conclusion:

    “We did not prove an association between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described. Virological studies are underway that may help to resolve this issue.”

    My emphasis in bold.

    That’s it. That’s their conclusion. Later on, the authors state that there is inadequate evidence to link the vaccine, that the onset of symptoms occurred after the vaccine, and that (as is the case in most research) further studies were necessary.

    So, yes, further studies were done, and they all replicated Wakefield’s findings of no association. If you remember, it was Wakefield’s opinion that the MMR vaccine caused autism. Perhaps encouraged by the pay day coming with his patent for the single measles shot, or some other incentive altogether, Andrew Jeremy Wakefield decided to inject his opinion into this, even after the facts didn’t support his findings: Unquote.

    ——–

    These are nothing but words from a very twisted words and wording spin master, that does not care what the truth is, and nor do they care what the additional scientific studies show, and regarding the MMR vaccine. The entire article is irrelevant on every level as to the known and said studies and the factual findings.

    Like I said, the entire issue surrounding Dr Wakefield is now irrelevant. All they want to do is focus on a 1998 paper, and forget that anything has progressed for studies since that time, or even additionally at that time.

    As soon as they get done with that and Wakefield, they will jump to trying to beat up on Jenny McCarty and her son; and that issues too, is literally irrelevant to the bigger picture. Her son Evan, clearly did have ASD; and irregardless of any previous delay in typical milestones argument; the fact is that the child became very ill after the MMR vaccine, and clearly so, and thus the regression into autism clearly followed that in the typically found scenario of that progression. Evan did recover with biomedical treatment; and you people would rather that he remained in a ASD disabled state of being. People are simply not supposed to recover, and there be vaccines implicated. It is against the politics allowed by the vaccine pushing safe and effective voodoo masters. Our science, corrupt epidemiological studies on one vaccine and one vaccine ingredient, show no connection…. “parents, go back to sleep; vaccines are not involved”. “Get vaccinated” !!!

  • elnura

    Well a good actor eventually remember his lines. Also, a good actor always remembers what he’s reading is make believe.

  • ponerology

    “Party” affiliation doesn’t matter a whit. Party politics exists solely to keep the prols busy with something that is of no consequence since the bigger agenda isn’t run by party politics. It’s run by the thousands of think tanks and their tens of thousands of bureaucrats in them who all work for the upper are of the pyramid which is the U.N. and the Royal Institute for Int’l Affairs and the Council on Foreign Relations who work for the 12 banking families. Politics is for the uninformed and unaware.

  • notation

    Well, well, it seems you’re not the epitome of research, are you, dear?

    You should be sued by the parents of any children who die as a result of your fraudulent claims. I plan to make sure I do everything possible to make that happen.

  • notation

    It’s “Couric,” you retarded bonehead.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    I see you don’t play well with others. Could not actually address the information. Gets angry over a spelling mistake, and calls names in a five word reply. Nice work.

    Was the HPV Vaccine Responsible for One Girl’s Death?
    http://katiecouric.com/videos/was-the-hpv-vaccine-responsible-for-one-girls-death/

    Is the HPV Vaccine Safe?
    http://katiecouric.com/videos/is-the-hpv-vaccine-safe/

    http://katiecouric.com/videos/category/120413-the-hpv-vaccine-conversation-rosie-perez/

  • Ashley

    Oh my goodness. What horrendously arrogant and hard-hearted people! As if any parent enjoys seeing their child suffer like that, or puts themselves in the way of hellfire for something they do not firmly believe in. The thing I do not understand, and question why it never seems to be acknowledged, is the reality that MOST parents/persons who speak out against vaccines were previously PRO vaccines!! The vast majority of non-vaxers out there only became so due to witnessing serious adverse reactions, either in themselves or their children. What they are not (as the pro-vax brigade would have people believe) is a group of hippy, anti-establishment, uneducated fools that cannot wait to have kids so they can ‘buck the trend’ and swim upstream!!! And on the contrary, it is the UNeducated and the naive that blindly trust authorities. Most people only decide to become educated about the ingredients in a vaccine, the potential adverse reactions (as published by the manufacturer and stated on the package insert) and its source of manufacture once they have experienced an adverse reaction – NOT before. You simply cannot continue to name call and stubbornly assert your white-coat pseudo-authority, whilst the numbers of naive and pro-vaccine individuals continue to shift to the disgruntled non-vaxing camp. By doing this, people will only continue to lose respect for you and the western medical model. If you wish to gain respect and credibility from people, you need to be patient, courteous, actually listen with an open mind and heart. People lead busy lives and have enough issues in today’s modern world to bother with bucking the trend in the face of such overwhelmingly aggressive animosity. It is supremely arrogant to put blind faith in ANY practice of medicine – past or present. We are always learning, and there are always improvements and discoveries to be made. Be humble and think about it.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Go vaccinate yourself

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    This is the problem: vaccine industry needs a “herd” of people mindlessly accepting their unsafe and often ineffective concoctions, so that their ill gotten profits remain growing. Every time vaccine industry funded “scientist” is caught with falsifying results, there is cover up. Every time someone from “the herd” starts to think and refuses to damage the health of their children, they get irate, insult and swear, and call on the police state to push people back into the herd. I wish we could ship those aggressive vaccine industry lawyers to North Korea – they will thrive there.

  • Rick Nielson

    I sense your incredulity over the increasingly obvious fact that your Government or Corporate Oligarchy would purposely injure, maim or kill you, a family member or other citizens of this society. But we must come to terms with this premise as a reality and accept it. There is a systematic force in place that is sanctioned by government to harm, injure and kill and Vax is just part of it. Keep seeking and researching and trust nothing.

  • Rick Nielson

    Thank you for all the good info. I learned a lot.

  • elnura

    Name calling the last refuge of the out argued. It demonstrates a lack of psychological internal self control and is one of the signs of a anti social personality disorder otherwise know as a sociopath. You have demonstrated many of the characteristics which is why you’re a troll.

    -Glibness
    -Grandiose Sense of Self. Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”
    -Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt.
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at the core.
    -Shallow Emotions, Lack of Emotions or No Empathy.
    -Need for Stimulation resulting in verbal abusive outbursts but in the cyber world-written abusive outbursts.
    -Poor impulse control as demonstrated by the many personal abusive attack on any comment regardless of how benign it is.
    -Psychologist say these people are usually adults that are unable to hold a real world job, are resentful of the world and seek refuge in the home of a parent or some place where they don’t have to fully support themselves.

    Trolls exhibit many of these behaviors. They can lash out at the world and not be held accountable because they are anonymous. You also demonstrate many of the characteristics of a cyber-bully. To move onto a more successful life path, seek professional help.

  • elnura

    It continues to amaze me that people continue to be surprised that the government lies to them. You would think after Bush’s WMD lie that killed hundreds of thousands around the world, has maimed not only thousands of our military personal permanently, caused thousands to commit suicide from the trauma they experienced as a result of the lie,destroyed families, sickened military personal with smallpox and dozens of other health sucking vaccines-they would have waken up by now. The last place in the world you want to rely on to tell you the truth is the government and the Medical profession.

  • elnura

    My pleasure.

  • Rick Nielson

    It’s hard to wrap your brain around.

  • sabelmouse

    i think it’s particularly hard for people regarding doctors and medicine as those are areas of actual care for our well being, supposedly.
    believing that those involved in the ” healing ” profession might not have our best interest at heart might be akin to realising that santa isn’t real or losing one’s faith

  • Theresa

    I made the mistake of trying to hold a reasonable discussion on the site Voices for Vaccines. I was treated in exactly the way this article talks about. The only science that exists id that which they espouse. They hear nothing else. I hear exactly the same tone and words coming from pro vaxxers in this article. It is shameful!!

  • karen

    One of the last ugly comments was directed to me. My daughter has ovarian failure plus many other issues. The pro vaxers are cruel. Sad thing is my daughter has had all her vaccinations. Gardasil kills, maims and destroys.

  • notation

    See a shrink, honey. You’re nuts. Vaccines are life-savers.

  • notation

    A video of a TV show is not evidence. You have no evidence. A claim is not “proof.”

    Try again.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    You better do your research on real herd immunity because it does not come from vaccines, it comes from natural survival of the fittest. One of these days Jim Bob when you have a horrible reaction to vaccines as I and many others have had we will see if you sing the same song. Your so called “credible evidence” is happily provided to you by the various big pharma companies who make billions of dollars peddling the toxins with the very pied piper scare tactics you are accusing anti-vaxers of. A really good question to ask yourself is who ordered the research, who is paying for the research and who did the research. That will pretty well tell you what the outcome of your “credible evidence” will be. You have to be intelligent enough to go to sources that don’t get paid by big pharma to get the real FACTS. There is the HUGE difference. Big Pharma has EVERYTHING to gain with their lies and make huge campaign contributions to guarantee that government will promote their agenda and prevent lawsuits by the injured so just ask yourself, what exactly is in it for the victims of the vaccine injuries. It is hilarious and sad that you can’t see the irony of it. All most of us anti-vaxers want is the right to not have to fill our bodies or those of our children full of poisons. We believe that our bodies should be under our control not the government’s and we want the real facts, not those rose colored ones put out by big pharma, so that we can make intelligent informed decisions about what we give our kids. Another thing you should stop and think about is that there is NO WAY that big pharma could know what happens when you just start throwing all those chemicals into newborn bodies because in the chemical field 1+1 doesn’t equal 2 when you start combining all those different chemicals what you get is greater than the total sum of the parts. Just remember Jim Bob that the FDA once approved every drug that has been recalled and found to be toxic and harmful.

    I wonder if that is what Hitler told the Jews, “Oh, it’s ok, that gas isn’t poison, we just want to protect you from the germs” . If I walked up to your child on the street with a syringe full of mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde and stuck him with it, you would have me arrested, but you pay your doctor to do and thank him for the privilege.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    And one more thing, what I am asking is why pro-vaxers believe what they believe and they cannot tell me why they believe that way. They can’t quote any “credible evidence” because they have never DONE any research for themselves, they just buy into what their doctor, who makes a profit from vaccines, tells them, just like the moron doctor who told me in 2009 that without chemo and radiation I would be dead in a year, well guess what, I didn’t have either and I’m not dead but I have watched many others who did do chemo and rad. die horrible painful deaths. Gee, so sorry doc that I didn’t make your Mercedes payments for you that year.

  • Lou

    “No Evidence of Safety For These HPV Vaccines”

    But we do have tens of thousands of cases of evidence of damage, PERMANENT disabilities and DEATH from the poor souls taking this poison.

    Too bad all this evidence does not count.

    Well guess what folks it DOES COUNT. Tens of millions of mothers and their daughters and SONS have rejected this unproven to help, proven to harm POISON. They will not take this poison and will not be FORCED to take this poison.

    Good for us!

  • Lou

    “The pro vaxers are cruel”

    IMO we must understand what is going on here. Both the pros and cons for the most part (there are shills) love their children BOTH wish to protect their children.

    We are being attacked by parents who believe in “vaccination” and have been sold the “Herd Immunity” lie. These poor parents believe our unvaccinated kids are a THREAT to their children. We need to show them this is not only myth but a LIE.

    Who would deliberately turn loving parent against loving parent? These are our rulers folks.

    “Vaccination” does NOT confer Herd Immunity

    “Virtually every outbreak of infectious disease in the U.S. for which there is a vaccine has been blamed on unvaccinated children – at least initially – but lately we’ve repeatedly seen that reported outbreaks of diseases
    like pertussis, influenza and mumps are occurring within the fully vaccinated population, even though the vaccine is supposed to prevent the disease in question. This pattern is now so obvious that researchers have no choice but to try to address the discrepancy and come up with an explanation because, clearly, vaccinated people are contracting and facilitating the transmission of infectious diseases in much greater numbers than public health officials and doctors have been willing to admit.” Vaccinated Population Contracting and Spreading Disease

    “Vaccination” does not confer individual immunity either

    “Wisely, the JCVI refused to approve the vaccine due to lack of clinical
    efficacy studies. The vaccine was approved in the EU and Australia from a
    trial involving 1,800 infants that showed a “robust” immune response when given Bexsero alone or along with other vaccines. This was based on something called “surrogate protection,” meaning, protection is assumed (but not proven) due to the presence of antibodies in the blood stream. The JCVI noted that efficacy against disease has not been established and interestingly, that Bexsero’s antibody response waned rapidly.” Using an Unapproved Meningitis Vaccine? – Not So Fast ~ By Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, DO, AOBNMM, ABIHM

    “This was based on something called “surrogate protection,” meaning,
    protection is assumed (but not proven) due to the presence of antibodies in the blood stream.”

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_natural_immunity.htm

  • Cherry Misra

    Go right ahead, dear little pro-vaxers ; get your flu shots and Gardasil shots , so that some rich guy can buy a new Picasso or bigger yacht. Good luck !

  • Argus

    “The only science that exists id that which they espouse.”
    Exactly right.
    So when you make posts to promote ideas that aren’t supported by any science and can potentially cause harm to others, what do you expect?

  • Argus

    Boo hoo! Some people that don’t believe in the anti-science, anti-vaccine crap posted some not very nice comments. Well when you promote ideas that are dangerous to public health, what do you expect?

    News reporters are finally catching on to the impact of the lies. Here’s one of many stories out there about how harm is done when too many people buy into this crap and skip vaccinations:

    http://www.chron.com/opinion/outlook/article/Ness-Our-growing-skepticism-about-science-puts-5186158.php

  • Argus

    A better reason to get the shots is to avoid the serious dangers of influenza, and to lower the risk of cervical cancer later in life from an HPV infection.
    You do understand that practically anything you purchase is very likely making money for someone else, don’t you? Is that alone a reason not to do something?
    Likewise, do you expect other people to never buy anything from you (or your employer) because there might be a profit involved? How do you think the economy works?

  • Argus

    “There is no one like Dr. Wakefield . . .”

    That’s for sure, but not in the way you think.

    There’s no one like Wakefield for abusing developmentally challenged children, writing a science article using fabricated data, lying about it, losing his medical license in the process, and failing at court challenge after court challenge when he tries to defend his name.

  • Sal

    Yes, a claim that a vaccine works is not proof.

  • Sal

    You clearly don’t have a clue how the government, who had a vested interest in destroying Wakefield (who was one of a tiny minority of honest consultants at the RFH) together with the GMC and the courts, operates.

  • Sal

    Miko, from the few whose leanings I know, I’d say it is a mix, including leftists who believe that modern medicine is scientific and anyone going against is wrong. For example, Ben Goldacre, who is a vaccine advocate, has followers in the new left or whatever they call themselves. Ben Goldacre, from what I have observed, appears to be a gatekeeper gathering the anti-pharma flock , but he is in my opinion a most devious Pharma whore, but many in the left worship him.
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/09/best-of-aofa-whats-behind-ben-goldacre.html

  • diversity

    global warming is a fact and aliens are not to exclude. there are evidence for earth-like planets in outerspace

  • diversity

    when did you heard the last time that someone’s child got polio? Right never. and why? because the vaccination made this disease extinct in most of the countries in this world. and those kids, in which the vaccination was not working, were potected because nobody else was sick

  • comb

    Then get the polio vaccine…your choice not mine. Are you advocating that that those choosing to not vaccinate their kids or themselves be forced to do so?

  • diversity

    YES? You want to expose your child willing to deadly diseases?

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Actually, if you will do some research you will find that the diseases the medical “profession” vaccinates for were on the decline before the introduction of the vaccines. After the vaccines were started the only ones who contracted polio were the ones who were vaccinated. What contributed to the decline of these diseases was the cleaner water and better nutrition. Just washing our hands more often helps to reduce the likelihood of contracting disease and passing it along to others. Herd immunity is a hoax that too many people believe and it causes too much controversy.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    There is a difference between buying a product knowing that the company producing it makes a profit and being forced to be injected with toxic substances that are produced by companies that know their product causes increasing harm to the most vulnerable in our society, the very young and the elderly once their immune system has been destroyed.

  • elnura

    Dr. Ness, author of this opinion piece is a pharmaceutical/medical insider.

    Enough said. This is just an opinion piece which just repeats the manta of the
    Vaccine/pharmaceutical Industry. Insiders must continue the lie in
    unison.

    The whooping cough epidemic was not caused by unvaccinated children as continually stated by the MSM.

    This was stated by Dr. ANNE SCHUCHAT currently serves as the director for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the (CDC). On the
    other hand, we know that people who are not vaccinated have about an eight times higher risk of disease than people who are vaccinated. We know there are places around the country where there are large numbers of people who aren’t vaccinated. However, we don’t think those exemptors are driving this current wave. We think it is a bad thing that people aren’t getting vaccinated or exempting, but we cannot blame this wave on that phenomenon. ” Question: what calculation were used to come to the 8X’s higher risk fear mongering.

    There is so much posturing going on over the pertussis vaccine because the industry will never say a vaccine doesn’t work and never has. However the maker
    of the vaccine stated just that:

    Whooping Cough Vaccine –
    Doesn’t Work – GSK Says “We Never Bothered to Check”:
    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/whooping-cough-vaccine-doesnt-work-gsk-says-we-never-bothered-to-check/

    Pertussis isn’t the mass murderer the CDC/Vaccine Industry and MSM makes it out to be.
    National Vital Statics Report-Pertussis Deaths

    2008: 20
    2009: 15
    2010: 26
    2011: 26

    Thisis from the latest report posted in May of 2013. In that time period
    according to the statics report there were Zero “0″ measles deaths in
    that time period. The pertussis vaccine is causing the outbreak and these people are so vile and evil they allow children to suffer just to create fear in people. The industry knows the vaccine has never worked, continue to cause deaths which is why Japan stopped using it with infants and the SIDS number dropped and will never worked because the vaccine has caused the virus to mutate. Also, no pertussis vaccine address parapertussis-which the vaccine created. Look at this video:
    You will never look at vaccinated children the same!- Shedding Viruses

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKSeiAs_A4w#t=294

    You know when someone is a Industry insider because somewhere in their comments, writing or briefing they invoke the name of Wakefield. These people are so cocky they just allow the vaccine industry to lead them around by the nose instead of doing some research.

    Wakefield’s Lancet Paper Vindicated – [Yet Again] https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/wakefield%E2%80%99s-lancet%C2%A0paper%C2%A0vindicated/

    Professor John Walker-Smith, co-author of the Lancet paper has won his appeal and now the world we see the lack of moral integrity of the medical profession worldwide. The court in the UK has been stalling, waffling and waving-do all kinds of dances to NOT re-instate Wakefields medical license in the UK. It is repugnant that people who have taken a vow to do no harm would prevent information from coming forth to the medical community which would help ease the pain and suffering of children. Make no mistake, the Vaccine Industry and the governments who are in league with them know that if they can’t pay enough judges or compel enough people to keep Wakefield down, they lose. All vaccine schemes will be seen for what they are.

    I am not putting these all of the following people on the same level but historically there are others who the powers that be felt threatened enough by to try and destroy them.

    -Dr. Burzynski: Case Dismissed! Texas Ends 15-Year Fight Against Cancer Doctor Burzynski: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/01/19/cancer-doctor-burzynski.aspx#!
    -Dr Royal Raymond Rife M.D, who developed a frequency generator in the late 1920.
    -Gary S. Goldman, Ph.D: Expose problems with the Chicken Pox Vaccine.
    -Lisa Blakemore-Brown-psychologist: linked infant vaccines
    to autism in children

    Alternative Doctors:
    -Dr. Jennifer Daniels: MD of Syracuse was brought up on charges after successfully treating a patient with diabetes using only diet and exercise
    -Dr. Rebecca Carley: Hicksville, Long Island successfully pioneered a treatment to reverse
    the injuries from vaccines such as autism and autism spectrum disorders,
    which have been growing.
    -Dr. Serafina Corsello: Charges were brought against her for too much testing, use of vitamin therapy, Chelation therapy and diagnosing lead toxicity.

    Nikola Tesla: he was undoubtedly persecuted by the energy power brokers of his day — namely Thomas Edison, whom we are taught in school to revere as a
    genius. He was also attacked by J.P. Morgan and other “captains of
    industry.” Upon Tesla’s death on January 7th, 1943, the U.S. government
    moved into his lab and apartment confiscating all of his scientific
    research, some of which has been released by the FBI through the Freedom
    of Information Act.

    You know something isn’t right when the first thing the government does after they physically get you out of the way is go into the home and offices and confiscate everything. Why?

    Of course if you threaten to practice your profession with integrity, compassion wisdom you get on a hit list:
    Merck Created Hit List to “Destroy,” “Neutralize” or “Discredit” Dissenting Doctors
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/merck-created-hit-list-to-destroy-neutralize-or-discredit-dissenting-doctors/

    Repetitive hit pieces like: Our growing skepticism about science puts children at risk-repeat the same mantra of the industry every year. It’s just like the Flu vaccine deaths-36,000 die a year in the US from the Flu. Where? That would be the Vaccine industry and CDC’s wet dream. There would be 2-4 funerals on TV everyday of Flu season, a six month special update and a one year anniversary funeral episode.

  • elnura

    ACA has a card with your name on it and just in time. If you continue of the path you are on you’ll get stuck and never be able to shift to become a productive member of society. The time is now.

  • https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pet-Agree-Dog-Training/267410594145 Jillian Krake

    Only people I see posting have only been talking to people that profit from vaccines. Do some research and learn something. By the way there have been cases of polio in the last 5 years in the US in vaccinated children.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Dr. Wakefield did real research, unlike some of those who protect the vaccine industry. Look at both sides. Would you rather the pro-vaxers with their fake science were right and children were harmed in their wake? Or would you rather it be more of an advantage to believe true science that shows the more toxins we inject into innocent little children and frail elderly, the more chance of future harm and disease?

  • tainted

    Would that be YES? or Yes.
    Do vaccines have the ability to stop people from being exposed to deadly diseases? Are you telling me that if I get the HPV vaccine then I will never be exposed to it?

  • Sal

    Even the provax shill Glodacre admits there was nothing wrong with Wakefield’s paper
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/09/best-of-aofa-whats-behind-ben-goldacre.html
    So, I suggest you give up your slanderous accusations based on hysterical popular media nonsense and actually examine the SCIENCE.

  • Sal

    This is not a patent for a vaccine. Transfer Factor is not a vaccine dumbo. Wakefield’s aim was to treat children with autism. Tell me, is anything used to treat the damage inflicted by vaxxing, which weakens the immune system, to be called a ‘vaccine’ for your convenience? You idiot!
    You pick some bullshit written by a Pharma and government prostitute and try to pull the wool over people’s eyes.
    The king has no clothes you a-hole.

  • Sal

    “That patent was for a considered as a much safer form of measles vaccine”

    The Brian Deer page is a forgery, Transfer Factor is not a vaccine. The british government was looking for a way to destroy Wakefield, because of their vested interest in the mmr.

  • Sal

    That is an interesting line of thought. The ideal (the concept) of vaccination then can be said to interfere with evolution, making the human race weaker… which means that in reality we have a double wammy, not only is vaccination a fraud but it causes permanent damage to the human system. Along this path, and as long as Pharma controls the medical industry and scientists continue to work unscientifically, the human race is doomed.

  • Sal

    “We (the pesky science believers”

    Who needs facts or proof when you have belief!

  • Sal

    ” It can’t be because of all the overwhelming scientific evidence..”

    Of which you have none.
    But then you do have your “belief” as you told us earlier.

  • Sal

    LOL! What kind of idiotic argument is that? There are plenty of studies, but you are a joke and a time waster. You advocate that untested poison be injected into kids and ask those against it to provide studies that it’s unsafe?

    With every comment you demonstrate your deep ignorance of how science works.

  • Sal

    “Science and evidence is thrown at them over and over again”

    You haven’t in fact done that. You have no idea what science is, you “believe” in it (as you stated earlier), which explains alot about you.

  • Sal

    If, when you grow up, you come to work in mainstream scientific research you’ll understand that it is entirely money driven and that such studies will always protect the interests of those involved. I have seen this first hand, nothing new.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    It is a double whammy so to speak. We need to get exposed to germs and different illnesses in order for our immune systems to develop properly. You have heard the phrase, “use it or lose it”, well that definitely pertains to the immune system.

    Back before we had vaccines, natural herd immunity would protect a population of people because once an individual contracted a particular strain of a virus, they would be immune for a lifetime. An adult who had
    chicken pox or measles as a child will receive natural immune ‘boosters’ when exposed to their child or someone else with chicken pox.

    Unlike natural immunity, vaccine-induced immunity doesn’t have the same profile of benefits. A vaccine targets a specific strain or strains of a virus and only confers temporary protection against that strain
    (between 2-10 years depending on the specific illness).

    Effective vaccine-induced herd immunity requires that the drug companies continue to churn out boosters so that the population can ward off illness. Furthermore, the individuals never build their own natural
    immune response. Studies show that in the case of pertussis and other infectious diseases, the organisms keep evolving to become more and more
    vaccine resistant – further requiring that drug companies come up with pharmaceutical solutions.

    Read more: http://holisticsquid.com/herd-immunity-and-vaccines-are-you-protected/#ixzz2s7pUnxFR

  • Argus

    Wakefield did real research? Why hasn’t any of it ever been published?

  • Argus

    Nor do you, since what you are espousing is nothing but a conspiracy theory.

  • Argus

    Sheer fantasy, LeAnn.

  • englishvinal

    Argus….. You are SO transparent..
    You are a Paid to Post TROLL……………….. paid by big pharma to mislead your fellowman……………
    30 pieces of silver we presume?… That is historically what the price is to betray and SELL OUT your brother.
    …. Go peddle you vicious, deadly “advice” elsewhere…. you POS~!

  • Argus

    Actually, LeAnn, if you did some research you would know that while better sanitation and hand washing reduce the transmission of SOME diseases, for others that are transmitted person to person via a respiratory route, they have no effect.
    Your assertion that herd immunity does not exist is itself a hoax. You have nothing to counter the abundant evidence that it does exist.

  • englishvinal

    Wakefield’s research was published…. widely. Very widely, widely enough to turn the profitiable vaccine industry on its head…..
    The back lash was something to see. The needle pushers went balistic.

  • englishvinal

    Yes, and most of them would have to bear the GUILT of having stupidly offered their own little children up to the GOD OF GREED… to be injected with mercury, formeldhyde, monkey glands, and a whole laundry list of other toxins that very likely have made their OWN children autistic, ADD, or worse……
    They CAN NEVER admit that they were wrong…………. so they lie to the closest person…. themselves, first and everybody else second.

  • englishvinal

    You are correct. But notice, it isn’t working as well as it once did~!
    …. People are seeing through the ploy…. the “management of the sheep” by the sheep-herders …. “Intimidation by what appears to be public opinion”…
    FAIL~!!!
    Beat it TROLLS~!

  • englishvinal

    Cite your evidence and documentation for the statement you made “Doctor Wakefield was paid by lawyers to create a linke between MMR and autism”………….

    You flipping TROLL…..
    .
    I KNOW better since I have taken the time to reserach Doctor Wakefield and his research in depth… but many people won’t have that knowledge base, and they MIGHT believe your carrion.
    So to all of them: This TROLL that calls himself “Andrew Quackfield”.. (just his handle gives away his paid position as a TROLL)… just LIED TO YOU~!

  • SomeGirl

    LMAO I give you the award for best comeback. :D

  • englishvinal

    Page #10 section ten………..
    READ IT…. the MMR vaccine is linked to autism and serious gut problems….
    Apparently TROLLS don’t read.

  • englishvinal

    I know, you live in a spider hole in Ohio…. they keep you in the dark and feed your horse manure…. right?
    …. PRODUCE your “mountains of credible evidence”… that is actually documented…..
    … documented by historical FACTS… not suppositions and declarations by the doctors who are paid by Big Pharma… and the representatives of Big Pharma..

    FOLLOW THE MONEY YOU FOOL~!

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    Actually what happens is that after they vaccinate in an area and there is an outbreak of the very thing they vaccinated against, among those who were vaccinated, they name it something different. Many experts now believe that fibromyalgia is an adult form of polio, caused by the polio vaccine from the 1950′s. Just like over use of antibiotics is allowing bacteria to mutate and become antibiotic resistant, the same thing happens with vaccines. They mutate just enough that they demand more and more boosters to keep people from getting the disease. Our immune systems need to be exposed to germs and diseases to develop properly. What is worse, that some with weakened immune systems die from the disease which actually helps to build herd immunity or that people die from or are permanently injured from vaccines, which in reality do nothing to build herd immunity? I guess the answer to that would be, it depends on who you asked and what their personal experience is. Those who get to spend the rest of their lives taking care of a vaccine injured child will certainly have a different point of view than those who have lost a child to a disease that is presumed to be vaccine preventable.
    We as a whole have gotten very lazy about our health and I think we can thank health insurance and big pharma for that. It is so easy to just take an antibiotic or give a child Ritalin instead of finding the root cause of the problem and dealing with it from a natural point of view.

    Oh, got cancer, here have some chemo and radiation, oh no, don’t take vitamins, minerals or supplements, and no, you don’t have to give up any of the things that feed the cancer, just keep eating white flour, white sugar, high fructose corn syrup, etc. and all the other things that feed the cancer. That way we can make a lot more money from your treatment. Just keep doing what you have been doing and expect different results, isn’t that the definition of insanity? We need to wake up as a country and take back our own power instead of giving it to big pharma and the disease care mongers.

  • diversity

    I have a PHD in Medicine and I can assure you that fibromyalgia has more in common with athritis than polio. and vaccines candt mutate because they are dead particles. you are right we have become very lazy about our health but getting a vaccine is a good way to do something against lazyness ;)

  • diversity

    Yes they do. vaccines exterminate deadly diseases

  • diversity

    Herd immunity is NOT a hoax. It is a real thing. you can even replicate it if you got cattle at home ;)

  • elnura

    Polio has not been eradicated. The WHO declared it so because they could no longer hide the obvious-that it’s all around under different names.

    In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of non-polio acute flaccid
    paralysis (NPAFP); Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but
    twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to
    doses of oral polio received. – GreenMedInfo Summary

    Acute Flaccid Paralysis is the name given to polio when the polio vaccine failed. When the vaccine failed-they just changed the name and the diagnosis criteria: Polio now hides behind these names: acute flaccid paralysis (AFP),Transverse Myelitis, Viral or aseptic meningitis, Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS), Chinese Paralytic syndrome, CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME, epidemic cholera, cholera morbus, spinal meningitis, spinal apoplexy, inhibitory palsy, intermittent fever, famine fever,worm fever, bilious remittent fever, ergotism, ME, post-polio syndrome. All are clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis. All are manifestations of vaccines damage.

    “The interval between inoculation and the first sign of paralysis ranged from 5 to 20 days and in a large proportion of cases it started
    in the limb on which the injection had been given. Another feature of the
    tragedy was that the numbers developing polio were far greater than would have been expected had no inoculations been given. In fact in the state of Idaho, according to a statement by Dr. Carl Eklund, one of the Government’s chief virus authorities, polio struck only vaccinated children in areas where there had been no cases of polio since the preceding autumn; in 9 out of 10 cases the paralysis occurred in the arms in which the vaccine had been injected.” (News Chronicle, May 6, 1955)

    Shortly after the Salk vaccination program was swung into action, the American Public Health Service (June 23, 1955) Announced that there had been “168 confirmed cases of poliomyelitis among the vaccinated, with six deaths……How many vaccinated children will eventually be
    reported as developing the disease is as yet unknown .

    -”When you inoculate children with a polio vaccine you don’t sleep well for two or three weeks.”–Jonas Salk (Oct 1954)

    -A large vaccine trial in 1955 showed a total failure of the Salk vaccine to protect against poliomyelitis. During a 1959 epidemic in Massachusetts, 77.5% of the paralytic cases had received three or more doses of
    the inactivated vaccine.

    -In 1956 with the infamous Francis Field Trials they discovered large numbers of children contracted polio after receiving the vaccine. Instead of removing the vaccine from the market, they decided to exclude from the statistics all cases of polio that occurred within 30 days
    after vaccination on the pretext that such cases were “pre-existing”.

    -In 1958 mass vaccination triggered a disastrous increase in polio, the highest being 700% in Ottawa, Canada. The highest incidence in the USA occurred in those states which had been induced to adopt
    compulsory polio shots(1).

    -Four of the five Salk vaccine companies ceased producing this vaccine due to its failure, and because of the lawsuits against them.”

    -Use of either Salk or Sabin vaccine will increase the possibility that your child will contact the disease. It appears that the most effective way to protect your child from polio is to make sure that he doesn’t get the vaccine “—Dr Mendelsohn M.D.(1984).

    -Where polio vaccination programs have been instituted worldwide, reported polio infections show a 700% increase as a result of compulsory vaccination.

    -According to the Daily Telegraph (June 18, 1955) Mr. Peterson, State Health Director of Idaho, stopped further inoculations and stated: “We have lost confidence in the Salk Vaccine.” He also stated that
    he “holds the vaccine, together with the instructions for its manufacture,
    directly responsible for the outbreak of polio and the deaths that had
    occurred.”

    -An Associated Press Dispatch from Boston on August 30, 1955, reported 2,027 cases of polio in Massachusetts against 273 the same time the previous year-representing an increase of 743%. This followed the
    inoculation of 130,000 Massachusetts children, and the authorities banned the vaccine.
    -Connecticut reported 276 cases in 1955, up from 144 in 1954;
    -Vermont, 55 up from 15;
    -Rhode Island, 122 up from 22,
    and Maine, 74 up from 43.

    -The Washington D.C. Star, September 20, 1955, reported 180 cases in Washington against 136 the same time in 1954;
    -Maryland’s Health Department reported 189 in 1955 to 134 in 1954;
    -New York State, 764 to 469;
    -Wisconsin, 1655 to 326.

    -The Milwaukee Journal, on August 30, 1955, reported that the city’s schools closed indefinitely because of the polio outbreak, following inoculation with the Salk vaccine.

    -Idaho stopped Salk inoculations completely on July 1, 1955, with this blast from State Health Director Peterson said, “I hold Salk vaccine and its manufacturers responsible for a polio outbreak that has killed 7
    Idahoans and hospitalized 79.” By September 14th 1955, that state had 190 cases compared with 132 for the entire year of 1954. Newark, N.J. stopped inoculations in June, 1955, while Utah took similar action on July 12.

    -An Associated Press dispatch on November 11, 1955, quoted Dr. Herbert Ratner, Health Commissioner of Oak Park, Illinois, who said that “English authorities in July, 1955, canceled the Salk vaccine programs as ‘too dangerous’, and all European countries, with the exception of Denmark, have discontinued their programs.” Canada also postponed its Salk vaccine program on July 29, 1955.

    -The New York Times on May 11, 1956, reported on Supplement No. 15 of the Poliomyelitis Surveillance Report for the year which showed 12% more paralysis in 1956 than in 1955. By January 1, 1957, 17 states
    had rejected their supplies of Jonas Salk’s “anti-paralytic” polio vaccine.During this year very nearly half the paralytic cases and three-quarters of the non-paralytic cases in children between the ages of 5 and 14 years occurred in “vaccinated” children. (NOTE: The United States Polio Surveillance Unit’s bulletins, from 1955 to 1970 are listed as missing in medical libraries across the US. I have had relatives who are MD’s check their school and other and they are either missing or unavailable. The Units has been discovered by Hillary Butler who lives in New Zealand, in AMA library, and they are listed as having top security clearance requirements to see them. Why might that be?)

    -The Expert Committee on Poliomyelitis of the World Health Organization stated in its Technical Report Series, No. 145 (Second Report, p. 34 Geneva, 1958) that: “It was noted in the Union of South Africa and in the USA, especially in the course of severe outbreaks in Hawaii and Chicago, that vaccination in the face of an epidemic did not appear to shorten its course. Laboratory and field studies have shown that vaccination
    does not prevent infection or interfere with dissemination of virus in the
    community.”

    -Hawaii had an outbreak of polio in 1958. The Honolulu Advertiser on July 15, 1958, carried a statement by Dr. Enright of the Territorial Dept. of Health which broke down the figures as follows: “Of the 32 discovered paralytic polio cases so far this year, six had 3 Salk shots, six had
    2 shots, four had one shot, the rest, none.” Percentage vaccinated: 50%.

    -The Chicago Daily News, May 28, 1959, printed the following UPI
    dispatch from Duluth, MN-”One of the developers of the new oral (polio) vaccine said Wednesday the recent use of Salk vaccine in Israel had ‘little if any effect.’ Dr. Herald R. Cox of Lederle Laboratories,.suggested the
    ineffectiveness of Salk inoculations during a round table discussion at the
    Minnesota State Medical Association convention. Cox said a confidential report on a polio epidemic showed 90% of children under six years old in Israel were given Salk shots. But the outbreak became epidemic. It is evident that the vaccine failed,” Cox said.

    -Polio cases rose about 300 to 400% in these 5 places that made the Salk vaccine compulsory by law:
    -North Carolina: 78 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 313 cases in 1959.
    -Connecticut: 45 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 123 cases in 1959.
    -Tennessee: 119 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 386 cases in 1959.
    -Ohio: 17 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 52 cases in 1959.
    -Los Angeles: 89 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 190
    cases in 1959.

    -By 1960, the Salk vaccine had proven to be so hazardous and ineffective, that the Journal of the American Medical Association (February 25, 1961) carried an article admitting that, “It is now generally recognized that much of the Salk vaccine used in the U.S. has been worthless.”

    ***-During the 1962 Congressional Hearings on HR 10541, Dr.
    Bernard Greenberg, head of the Department of Biostatistics of the University of North Carolina School of Public Health, testified that not only did polio increase substantially (50 percent from 1957 to 1958 and 80 percent from1958 to 1959) after the introduction of mass and frequently compulsory immunization programs, but statistics were manipulated and statements made by the Public Health Service to give the opposite impression.

    The United States Center for Disease Control (CDC) admitted that the vaccine has become the dominant cause of polio in the US today, with 87% of cases between 1973 and 1983 caused by the vaccine. More
    recently, 1980-1989, every case of polio in the US was caused by the vaccine. Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institute of Health during the 1950′s were well aware that the Salk vaccine was ineffective and deadly. Some frankly stated that it was “worthless as a preventative and dangerous to take”. The Salk “inactivated” or “killed-virus” was actually regulated to permit 5,000 live viruses per million doses.

    “In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” –Control of influenza and poliomyelitis with killed virus vaccines)

    Excellent Polio timeline:
    -IPV and OPV History: http://explorevaccines.wordpress.com/category/polio-ipvopv/
    -The Truth about Polio Vaccine: http://www.scribd.com/doc/122783447
    /The-Truth-about-Polio-Vaccine
    -CDC tries to rewrite history by burying facts about SV40 cancer viruses in polio vaccines: http://www.naturalnews.com/041593_CDC_polio_vaccine_SV40_cancer_virus.html

    -98 million Americans were given polio vaccine contaminated with cancer-causing virus, admits CDC: http://www.naturalnews.com/041345_CDC_polio_vaccine_SV40.html

  • elnura

    Measles has mutated into atypical measles and pertussis has mutated into parapertussis.

  • elnura

    Please provide verifiable data of herd immunity.

  • diversity

    Those are not mutations. researchers find new diseases everyday like they find new animal species

  • diversity

    I think you can google on your own but let me explain it to you..

    No vaccine works 100%. but if kids get vaccinated, the chances to get infected are going to 1 in a million. this kid, one in a million however, cant get sick because there are no other sick kids because everbody else is immune to the disease

  • diversity

    thats BS. The cases of Polio were caused by not-vacciners like you are. Cancer is a uncontrolled mutation of cells and the key for that is in the DNA. no vaccine is able to trigger or change DNA

  • elnura

    Yes I would and I did. They are robust-sailed through chicken pox, measles, never had whooping cough, strep throat etc. My biggest struggle with them being ill was keeping them in the house. My children are healthy because they were not poisoned like children are today with a boatload of toxins. Their immune systems work.

    FDA Pertussis Vaccine Study Shatters Illusion of Vaccine-Induced Immunity: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/fda-pertussis-vaccine-study-shatters-illusion-of-vaccine-induced-immunity/

  • elnura

    Author of this opinion piece is a pharmaceutical industry insider. Her ties to big pharma and the vaccine industry are well documented in her biography.

  • Argus

    Widely, huh? Then it should be easy for you to post a long list of the citations. If you cannot do that, that will prove they don’t exist.

  • Argus

    What is transparent is that you cannot refute any of the things I said about Wakefield. If you are one of his acolytes, then you are worse than a troll.

  • josh

    Wait article writen by journalist with a conflict of interest is not evidence for anything? Strange bc pro vaccine shills always do this.

  • josh

    He is not paid to read the paper, he is paided to blindly refute it with very transparent propaganda.

  • Argus

    What you really mean to say is that the author is someone with an education and training in science and healthcare and that she knows what she is talking about.
    Unlike the flacks that write the articles for this web site and the commenters that support them.

  • josh

    Yes, party lines when it comes to politicians are like the scinceehind the safety and effectiveness of vaccines… its all make believe

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Allowing viruses to enter the body through the respiratory system or mucus membrane is the way to build antibodies that will build strong lifetime immunity. Injecting live or killed viruses along with other toxic substances directly into the bloodstream does not build immunity at all, in fact it weakens and eventually destroys the immune system and causes diseases that, especially in children, will require long term care. Just what big pharma wants, more profits.

  • elnura

    Sorry, but truth is truth and it doesn’t depend on your beliefs. Go to the website, read the information. Or are you afraid to be bumped out of your comfort zone. While you’re reading the History of Polio read:

    -THE POISONED NEEDLE by Eleanor McBean 1957
    The Hidden Dangers In Polio Vaccine

    -Fear of the Invisible : Janine Roberts

    -The Exploding Autoimmune Epidemic – Dr. Tent – It’s Not
    Autoimmune, you have Viruses:

    -Extracts from Edward Shorter’s The Health Century about Dr. Bernice E. Eddy, whose lab tests found that the
    Cutter vaccine had been improperly inactivated and contained a cancer causing monkey virus–SV40. PBS

    Truth is Truth even if no believes it
    A Lie is a Lie, even if everyone believes it.

  • elnura

    They are not new diseases, they are mutations. Research the history of vaccines. I’m sure if you’re received your training in the last decade this is probably what you’re being told however I have Doctors in my family who are old school and are more familiar with childhood diseases than most doctors today and they say they are mutations.

  • elnura

    I know that there is no scientific studies on herd immunity because it’s a myth. If it wasn’t there would not have been that outbreak of Whooping cough in California in 2010.

    “In fact, the study showed that 81 percent of 2010 California whooping cough cases in people under the age of 18 occurred in those who were fully up to date on the whooping cough vaccine. Eleven percent had received at least one shot, but not the entire recommended series, and only eight percent of those stricken were unvaccinated.

    According to the authors:“This first detailed analysis of a recent North American pertussis outbreak found widespread disease among fully vaccinated older
    children. Starting approximately three years after prior
    vaccine dose, attack rates markedly increased, suggesting inadequate protection or durability from the acellular vaccine.” Health Impact News Daily

    Since you’ve revealed yourself as having PHD in Medicine, what is your particular field and how many years have you studied vaccines? My cousins have been MD’s for a couple of decades and even than they said that med school didn’t teach about vaccines, only how to manipulate parents into getting their children vaccinated.

    I don’t do Dr. Google and for a PHD you’ve providing very little cogent informant. For example you stated the polio information I provided is BS, yet-you offered no rebuttal. Hmmm. My trollgard is starting to tingle.

  • elnura

    Provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part
    of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of
    populations?

  • josh

    are There was a recent study that was conducted in japan, that was studing something to do with the immune system(cant remember what exactly) and not studing the effects of vaccines. The study ended up showing that vaccines, that were free from all the toxic chemicals, still caused damage to the immune system and that unvaccinated kids are far healthier.
    One little known fact about antibodies being created as “proof” is that aluminum cause the creation of antibodies as well. So antibodies being present really proves nothing. When you start looking into it with an open mind and use a smallnammount of critical thinking you have to come to the conclusion of vaccines are at best pseudo science and most likely a depopulation weapon.

  • Roxanne

    It’s really telling that even when there are revealing admissions directly from vaccine insiders themselves, you
    deny the revelation. I suppose you also deny what well known vaccine maker, Dr. Hilliman said about the polio vaccine and cancer, too, huh??? I wonder if you even read
    through the information sent you above or were already pre-determined to label any criticism ‘BS’.

  • Roxanne

    Vaccines and Death:
    Na, “DPT Vaccination and Sudden Infant Death – Tennessee, US Dept HEW, MMWR Report, Mar 23, 1979, vol 28(11): 132.
    Arevalo, “Vaccinia Necrosum. Report on a Fatal Case”, Bol Ofoc Sanit Panamer, Aug 1967, 63:106-110.
    Connolly, J H, Dick, G W, Field, CM, “A Case of Fatal Progressive Vaccinia”, Brit Med Jour, 12 May 1962; 5288:1315-1317.
    Aragona, F, “Fatal Acute Adrenal Insufficiency Caused by Bilateral Apoplexy of the Adrenal Glands (WFS) following Anti-poliomyelitis Vaccination”, Minerva Medicolegale, Aug 1960; 80:167-173.
    Moblus, G et al, “Pathological-Anatomical Findings in Cases of Death Following Poliomyelitis and DPT Vaccination”, Dtsch Gesundheitsw, Jul 20, 1972, 27:1382-1386.
    NA, “Immunizations and Cot Deaths”, Lancet, Sept 25, 1982, np.
    Goetzeler, A, “Fatal Encephalitis after Poliomyelitis Vaccination”, 22 Jun 1961, Muenchen Med Wschr, 102:1419-1422.
    Fulginiti, V, “Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, Diphtheria-Tetanus Toxoid-Pertussis Vaccination and Visits to the Doctor: Chance Association or Cause and Effect?”, Pediatr Infect Disorder, Jan-Feb 1983, 2(1): 7-11.
    Baraff, LJ, et al, “Possible Temporal Association Between Diphtheria-tetanus toxoid-Pertussis Vaccination and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome”, Pediatr Infect Disorder, Jan-Feb 1983, 2(1): 5-6.
    Reynolds, E, “Fatal Outcome of a Case of Eczema Vaccinatum”, Lancet, 24 Sept 1960, 2:684-686.
    Apostolov. et al, “Death of an Infant in Hyperthermia After Vaccination”, J Clin Path, Mar 1961, 14:196-197.
    Bouvier-Colle, MH, “Sex-Specific Differences in Mortality After High-Titre Measles Vaccination”, Rev Epidemiol Sante Publique, 1995; 43(1): 97.
    Stewart GT, “Deaths of infants after triple vaccine.”, Lancet 1979 Aug 18;2(8138):354-355.
    Flahault A, “Sudden infant death syndrome and diphtheria/tetanus toxoid/pertussis/poliomyelitis immunisation.”, Lancet 1988 Mar 12;1(8585):582-583.
    Larbre, F et al, “Fatal Acute Myocarditis After Smallpox Vaccination”, Pediatrie, Apr-May 1966, 21:345-350.
    Mortimer EA Jr, “DTP and SIDS: when data differ”, Am J Public Health 1987 Aug; 77(8):925-926.

  • Roxanne

    They are cruel (many shills) but others from ignorance, propaganda and
    programing. I’m so sorry for your daughter’s situation.

  • Roxanne

    “Dutch scientists are struggling to identify the exact cause of an epidemic of whooping cough that has swept throughout the country despite vaccination rates as high as 96%. Similar problems are being reported in Norway and Denmark.” British Medical Journal, 1998

    “Measles transmission has been clearly documented amongst vaccinated persons. In large outbreaks over 95% of cases have a history of vaccination.” Admission by Dr. William Atkinson, Senior Epidemiologist, CDC

    “Among school age children, measles outbreaks have occurred in schools with vaccine levels greater than 98%. These outbreaks have occurred in all parts of the country, including areas that have not reported measles for years.” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 2/19/89

    “In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article stating, ‘Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the U.S. are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children.’ ” JAMA, 11/21/90

  • sabelmouse

    yes, they are like daleks. that never works out as planned.

  • sabelmouse

    not all are equally deadly for starters. if you think that you need more info. often complications, that are indeed dangerous, can be prevented by good nursing that sadly doesn’t happen these days, many parents can’t afford to stay home with a sick child, some don’t want to.

  • elnura

    No, I said the author of the “repeated mantra of the vaccine industry is a wholly owned property of the vaccine industry”. She doesn’t know what’s she talking about or should would have included the information from the CDC on the matter of unvaccinated individuals. However, that was not the task she was assigned. These people are put out there to make statements not because they are learned or providing the public with facts, they are put out there because they have a number of titles & letters after their name and the public would see them as creditable. Providing the truth has nothing to do with it and studies can say what the researcher and the funding source wants it to say. Ben Goldache talks about how medicine is broken and how the industry-constantly in his book “Bad Pharma” How Medicine is Broken, and How We Can Fix it.: Quote-straight to the point.

    “for several of the most important and enduring problems in medicine, we have no idea what the best treatment is, because it’s not in anyone’s financial interest to conduct any trials at all.”

    The “opinion piece” was full of industry tag lines and statements that have no verifiable data referenced and once a author invokes the name of Wakefield-the “opinion piece” looses all it’s creditability and the author reveals themselves as an insider and shrill. Financial interest is all this piece was about. University of Texas gets a boatload of money from the pharmaceutical industry.

  • notation

    Sweetie, you can post all the ancient studies you wish. Vaccines save lives. They’re the best defense we have against diseases that once killed millions. They don’t cause autism and they don’t cause SIDS. Wake up, Rip Van Winkle. This is the 21st century.

  • notation

    It must be harder if you don’t even have a brain to realize that vaccines are life saving tools in the fight against deadly diseases.

  • notation

    Honey, try your test out on Free People. I can’t wait to see what reaction you get.

  • elnura

    I wonder if you even read through the information sent you above or were already pre-determined to label any criticism ‘BS’.

    I believe diversity is a troll. This trolling technique has been used on this site before. The poster claims to be either a medical profession with PHD credentials or a MD. When question for their lack of rebuttal information the person cannot explain it. The only responses they give are mantras provided by their handlers. The purpose is to move the dialogue away from the obvious and dilute it with BS comments to break the flow. Don’t expect anything of substance from diversity.

  • Argus

    Allowing viruses to enter the body through the respiratory system or mucus membrane is the way to suffer the ill effects of the disease and perhaps even permanent disability or death. Injecting live attenuated or killed viruses along with minute quantities of adjuvant agents which are not enough to be even close to toxic into the muscle builds immunity so that if the virus is ever encountered, the bodies defenses can swing into action immediately and suppress the disease.
    There, I fixed your statement so it is truthful now.

  • Rick Nielson

    Ooooh that’s harsh Mr. Troll. If that’s your best shot, maybe you’re lacking a bit in critical thinking.

  • diversity

    The facct that you cite “senior epidemiologists” and articles that are over 15 years old shows everything

  • diversity

    It is fact that polio cant trigger cancer

  • diversity

    just compare the number of polio people in the 19th century to the number today

  • diversity

    i am a pediatric surgeon. You people think that all vaccines work 100%. But this is not the case. the effectivity ranks from 98%-89% in the most cases. Herd immunity is a fact, you can reproduce it if you have cattle at home. Med school taught me in Germany and USA about vaccines and how to approach people to get a vaccine. The fact that your ignorant mind causes other people to still get sick makes you a horrible person. I think you are a reasonable person, not a scared parent that wants info about their child.

  • diversity

    No. there are more than seven new identified polio virus families. your “old school” doctors should get new education. Polio is caused by a virus. a virus is not even a living thing. it executes the commands from the parasite DNA in its center. it injects this DNA into the host cell and programmes the cell to reproduce more virus cells. there is no chance for a virus to mutate. only bacteria can mutate

  • diversity

    See those articles and studies are not peer reviewed and that for reasons. The cancer causing monkey virus came out to be a lie. and the other books are simply not peer reviewed and good stories. in the scientific world the results of studies have to be reproducable and reasonable, and additionaly up to date.

  • diversity

    the research “suggests” … This is one study. to confirm the hypothesis more stuies have to be made to exclude mistakes

  • diversity

    Well as i dont expect anything of substance from anti vaccines. I just want to help people to get their vaccines, so we can eradicate diseases from the world

  • Rick Nielson

    Diversity, this is sad. You’re gettin smoked here. Seriously, quit while your behind and oh, you can have my Vax. Take it with you.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    Really diversity, you have a PhD in medicine? I doubt it, because if you did you would know how to write it. Getting a vaccine is the epitome of laziness when it comes to your health. It simply says that you are too lazy to find natural ways to boost your immune system, to lazy to do your own research and understand how the immune system really works. You are so lazy that you just take the word of companies that are poisoning us and we are paying them to do it.
    A really great test would be this, tell the vaccines manufacturers that since vaccines are so “important” to the human race, they have to provide them for FREE to the entire population of the world, no insurance payment, no government subsidies absolutely free. Tell all the medical providers that they cannot charge for the administration of those vaccines in any way either. I believe that if you did that you would find very quickly that there would be a massive change in the urgency and necessity of vaccines.

    Or here is another one. Lets do a two year experiment where no vaccines are given period, and see if autism rates go down and other vaccine related injuries, that pro-vaxers don’t believe exist, go down. And while we are not giving vaccines we could do healthy natural things to boost the immune system and then compare figures with previous years when vaccines were given.

    Or we could even do this, lets take a group of 1,000 kids of pro-vaxers and 1,000 kids of anti-vaxers.
    Vaccinate the pros and not the antis and in two years see which group had the higher rates of diseases, allergies, gluten intolerance, digestive issues,leaky gut syndrome, autism etc.
    My oldest son was vaccinated and always sick and at the pediatrician monthly. My youngest son was not vaccinated and was never sick, never went to the doctor due to being sick from 14 months of age until he had graduated high school.

  • notation

    Oh, it’s hardly my best shot; it’s just all that’s needed in response to an inane comment like yours, honey.

  • Rick Nielson

    Thank you again Mr. Troll. You can go back to sleep now.

  • diversity

    natural ways? a vaccine is a natural way because it mimics the immune system.

    So you want doctors to perform for free and police officers and soldiers, teachers, because they are important to the human race?

    allergies, gluten intolerance, digestive issues,leaky gut syndrome, autism etc. rates are not related to vaccines. What vaccine injuries are you referring to? an itch around the needle?

    It is sad that there are even 1000 anti- vaccers.

    I can guarantee you your son’s medical history is not related to vaccines, but i can imagine your younger son having problems in the future.

  • diversity

    Of course i amgetting smoked in a biased website but i dont care. i made an oath and i will do my best to make humanity better.

  • elnura

    Name calling is the last refuge of the out argued. When you call someone a anti-vaxx, you out yourself as a troll. You have no idea what my perspective is. What I present is facts with references that can be verified. You on the other hand have presented nothing. Another indication you are a troll and a bad one.

    Real Doctors and scientists have stated as far back as the late 1800′s that diseases cannot be eradicated by man, they abate on their own-such as measles was doing before the vaccine put it back in play. Measles was 99.4%before the vaccine was introduced. child health safety-Vaccines did not save us-2 centuries of official data.

    You don’t want to help people because if you did you would not be posing as having a PHD medical degree. As far as I’m concerned you are as evil and corrupt as the pharmaceutical industry and the CDC.

  • diversity

    I am pretty sure that I am a real doctor. and what people stated in the 1800 is not necessarily applicable today. the thing is that vaccines get developed and donot work 100%, another reason to vaccinate. http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/2013-measles-outbreak-failing-vaccine-not-failure-vaccinate1

    why ould i not be posing witha PHD? does that harm anybody? i am not evil nor corrupt

  • LeAnn Addleman

    I think you’d be better off on a provax site where you can preach to Satan’s choir. You’ll be better received there. You have your facts backward and most people here aren’t buying it. You keep taking all your vaccines and I’ll keep my health and intact immune system without them. In fact you can take my vaccines, I’m not using them. Be sure and drink fluoridated water too. Your brain can use some more dumbing down. I know my facts and I really think that it takes less faith in God to believe what’s true than it takes to believe what you THINK you know.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    diversity, you are totally clueless, not even worth having a conversation with. Go do some real research and stop wasting everyone’s time with you senseless inaccurate remarks. If you are a real doctor, ha ha, I hope you have no patients that are stupid enough to rely on you. PhD Hahahahaha

  • diversity

    They cant mutate because they are viruses

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    Herd immunity is real but it comes from part of the population getting the disease and survival of the fittest, not from vaccinations. They affect the body in different ways. I think we all have to forgive diversity, who clearly had too many vaccines and is now suffering such brain damage the she/he believes her/himself to be a pediatric surgeon. Nice try, diversity but a real overreach on your part. LOL. What do you really do, fill pill bottles on an assembly line for a pharmaceutical company?

  • elnura

    I am pretty sure that I am a real doctor.

    You’re PRETTY SURE you’re a doctor? Well, I hope Divine Light surrounds anyone you put your hands on because “you’re pretty sure” you’re a doctor.

    If you don’t know where you’ve been, you don’t know where you’re going. How would you know if anything form the 1800′s apply now or is relevant? Did you read anything? Doubtful because so far you haven’t. But than again, you’re just pretty sure you’re a Doctor too. The integrity of Doctors today cannot hold a candle to those of the past because old school Doctors were actually interested in healing people. Doctors today are more interested in staying in the club and making the big bucks than they are about the health concerns of their patients. There are some blogs where Doctors come to relieve their conscious about vaccinating children when they know it’s causing harm. One actually stated: I have medical school bills to pay, I have a family to support-what do you expect me to do, let my family starve? I tell you that person received no sympathy.

    My family, in the South of all places, are non-vaccinating and they catch grief. Medicaid will not work with them because they don’t vaccinate so most of their patients pay out of pocket. Still they have a waiting list of people hoping for a spot to open.

    If you are genuinely interested in the health and well being of all people, you would research both sides of any health issue. You think who post on these boards have just read one side. Hell, I think 90% or more of the people began on the other side of this issue until a medical event woke us up. Like I stated in a earlier post, you don’t know what my perspective is or anyone elses on this board.

    “why ould i not be posing witha PHD?”
    Because if you’ve not earned it than you’ve an imposter. Just another trickster big pharma preying on the fears of the uninformed under the guise of a informed intellectual. Some people are impressed by title and letters after a name. I’m not.

  • notation

    No, sweetheart, I think I’ll hang around and see what other asinine comments you come up with. Maybe one of them will show a spark of intelligence. If so, then I’ll know miracles do happen.

  • elnura

    Are you serious? Peer Review. The first thing you do when you have a “Peer Review” study, report is look on the extensive list of journals published by the pharmaceutical industry, than research the researchers to see if they are real, ghost writers or medical doctors who have sold their names to be attached onto a study done by an employee of the pharmaceutical industry. than the study itself according to Ben Goldacre in his recent book on the pharmaceutical industry:

    Medicine is Broken. Drugs are tested by the people who manufacture them, in poorly designed trials, on hopelessly
    small numbers of weird, unrepresentative patients, and analyzed using techniques which are flawed by design, in such a way that they exaggerate the benefits of
    treatments. Unsurprisingly, these trials tend to produce results that favour the manufacturer. When trials throw up results that companies don’t like, they are perfectly entitled to hide them from doctors and patients, so we only ever see a distorted picture of any drug’s true effects. Regulators see most of the trial data, but only from early on in a drug’s life, and even then they don’t give
    this data to doctors or patients, or even to other parts of government. This distorted evidence is then communicated and applied in a distorted fashion. In
    their forty years of practice after leaving medical school, doctors hear about what works through ad hoc oral traditions, from sales reps, colleagues or journals. But those colleagues can be in the pay of drug companies – often undisclosed – and the journals are too. And so are the patient groups. And finally, academic papers, which everyone thinks of as objective, are often covertly planned and written by people who work directly for the companies, without disclosure. Sometimes whole academic journals are even owned outright by
    one drug company. Aside from all this, for several of the most important and enduring problems in medicine, we have no idea what the best treatment is, because it’s not in anyone’s financial interest to conduct any trials at all.
    These are ongoing problems, and although people have claimed to fix many of them, for the most part they have failed; so all these problems persist, but worse than ever, because now people can pretend that everything is fine after all.

    In case you don’t know who the author is, he’s a pharmaceutical industry shrill and insider.

    Medical societies accused of being beholden to the drugs industry: http://www.bmj.com//content/319/7221/1321.1

    NEJM- Caught Covering Up for National Kidney Foundation–an industry front group: ALLIANCE FOR HUMAN RESEARCH PROTECTION (AHRP)

    Promoting Openness, Full Disclosure, and Accountability
    http://www.ahrp.org

    Michael Woods: Financial ties in research community disturbing: http://www.whale.to/v/conflict1.html

    Former Shill for Big Pharma Tells the Truth About Drug Testing: http://www.naturalnews.com/023127_drug_doctor_doctors.html

  • notation

    Hi, diversity. Thanks for posting. As you already know, elnura and the rest of the tin-foil hat brigade don’t want to hear any parts of anything that doesn’t jibe with their steadfast beliefs that vaccines are deadly, that the government is lying, and that science, doctors, researchers are all evil. They’ll accuse of being a shill, now, working for “Big Pharma” or will tell you that you are just parroting what a university taught you.

    Bravo to you for standing up to them. Keep it up. There may be some people here who are looking for good information and if they figure out that elnura and her pals don’t have it, they might look for better sources. One can only hope.

  • notation

    What diversity just wrote is correct. Vaccines act to stimulate the immune system so it will be able to fight off infection. Vaccines work. They aren’t “dangerous,” and there’s a good reason why people like you are in the minority by a huge margin. It’s because you’re simply wrong.

  • elnura

    2 hours ago you were “pretty sure you were a doctor”, now you’re a pediatric surgeon. Well, for any doctor you are pretty woefully uninformed. Anway, unless you have data to substaniate your claim about herd immunity it’s a moot point. So next time you post-post links to verifiable independent studies and we can put it to rest. I’ve heard all the rationalizations for years about it but the devil is in the details and the details would be in a independent study.

  • notation

    My God, I didn’t think anyone was as stupid as Freeple, but you most certainly are, elnura. You have been out-matched by diversity in spades. You look like a complete moron.

  • notation

    Where do people like you get this crap? Vaccines aren’t INJECTED INTO THE BLOODSTREAM.

  • notation

    So you can’t stand it when anyone comes on here and shows that you are incorrect about vaccines? You just want to stand around here with your pals and have a circle jerk.

  • notation

    And now they’ll tell you that polio was already in decline when the vaccine came along. That better sanitation and hygiene are the reasons for the drop in diseases. Just wait for it. Oh, yeah, did you know that elderberry juice and coconut oil cure everything?

  • elnura

    Whooping Cough Vaccine – Doesn’t Work – GSK Says “We Never Bothered to Check” Child Health safety website.

    According to a recently published paper not only does whooping cough vaccine “wear off” within as little as three years of administration [assuming it ever "wore on" in the first place] but [according to Reuters] the original manufacturer GlaxoSmithKline never bothered to check whether it worked. And 81 percent of recent whooping cough cases in California were in children fully
    vaccinated and teenagers and adults are now put at risk when they would have had lifelong immunity contracting the disease naturally:

    Witt MA, Katz PH, Witt MJ, UnexpectedlyLimited Durability of ImmunityFollowing Acellular Pertussis Vaccination in Pre-Adolescents in a North American Outbreak.
    Whooping cough vaccine fades in pre-teens: study – By Kerry Grens Thompson/Reuters NEW YORK | Tue Apr 3, 2012 2:13pm EDT

    The Reuters report states:
    -A spokesperson for GSK, one of the pertussis vaccine makers, … GSK has never studied the duration of the vaccine’s protection after the shot
    given to four- to six-year-olds, the spokesperson said. ……
    “We have a real belief that the durability (of the vaccine) is not what was imagined,” said Dr. David Witt, an infectious disease specialist at Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Rafael, California, and senior author of the study. …….

    In early 2010, a spike in cases appeared at Kaiser Permanente in San Rafael, and it was soon determined to be an outbreak of whooping cough —
    the largest seen in California in more than 50 years. …..

    Witt
    ….. What was very surprising was the majority of cases were in fully vaccinated children. ….. Of the 132 patients under age 18, 81 percent were up to date on recommended whooping cough shots …. “

    The study authors wrote:
    -This first detailed analysis of a recent North American pertussis outbreak found widespread disease among fully vaccinated older children. Starting approximately three years after prior vaccine dose, attack rates markedly increased, suggesting inadequate protection or durability from the acellular vaccine. Witt MA, Katz PH, Witt MJ, Unexpectedly Limited Durability of Immunity Following Acellular Pertussis Vaccination in Pre-Adolescents in a North American Outbreak.

    Conclusions: Our data suggests that the current schedule of acellular pertussis vaccine doses is insufficient to prevent outbreaks of pertussis. We noted a markedly increased rate of disease from age 8 through 12, proportionate to the interval since the last scheduled vaccine. Stable rates of testing ruled out selection bias. The possibility of earlier or more numerous booster doses of acellular pertussis vaccine either as part of routine immunization or for outbreak control should be entertained.

    from a WHO meeting on the acellular vaccine:
    In discussion, Dr Cherry pointed out that in Japan also the
    reported pertussis incidence in children under three months of age has not declined substantially with return to a high vaccination coverage.

    In the Journal of Theoretical Biology they discuss the failure rate of the pertussis vaccine in New Zealand.
    -The obtained figures indicate that in New Zealand the effective vaccination rate against pertussis is lower than 50%, and perhaps even as low as 33% of the population. These figures contradict the medical statistics
    which claim that more than 80% of the newborns in New Zealand are vaccinated against pertussis

    (Turner et al., 2000). This contradiction is due to the mentioned unreliability of the available vaccine. The fact that the fraction of immune population obtained here is considerably lower than the fraction of vaccinated population implies a high level of vaccination failure.

    The Official Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics addresses the issue of investigator bias affecting efficacy trials.
    -Conclusions.Our data suggest that observer compliance (observer bias), can significantly inflate calculated vaccine efficacy. It is likely that all recently completed efficacy trials have been effected by this type of observer bias and allvaccines have considerably less efficacy against mild disease than published data suggest.

  • notation

    What’s the matter Elvira? Did you get trounced today? Sure looks like it.

  • notation

    No, it isn’t. Research that shows it however, is proof. Do you have any research to back up your claims? I do.

    When you can prove that HPV is not safe by posting a link to a peer-reviewed study, alert the media, dunderhead.

  • notation

    None of which means that the pertussis vaccine is more dangerous than the disease and none of which indicates it isn’t the best defense we have against it, even if not perfect. Troll harder, Elvira.

  • elnura

    I don’t have time for you NUGATORY. The tag team is not going to work either.

    I applied to the online troll academy but failed the entrance exam because the exam showed that I have a soul, a conscious, integrity, compassion and love for my fellow travelers on this journey.

    You and diveristy received your PHD”s.

  • elnura

    I think he/she is smart enough to read. After all he/she is “pretty sure the are a doctor”. Or a pediatric surgeon. He/she seems to be having an identity crisis.

  • elnura

    Nugatory.

  • elnura

    Same polio. Just new names to fool the masses.

  • notation

    You really are desperate, aren’t you? You’re getting trounced up and down the boards, here. You’re darn right I have my degrees, although none of them are PhDs. What degrees have YOU earned? Where? You seem to imagine that ‘having a soul, a conscience (I’m just guessing that is what you mean when you write “conscious”), integrity, compassion, and love for your fellow travelers on this journey’ somehow is enough to make up for a lack of education and knowledge, and that one can’t possibly have both an education and compassion. That’s beyond being an idiotic assumption and has no basis in fact whatsoever.

    As it is, I very much doubt you have any compassion for little babies who die from diseases that could have been prevented had they or everyone around them in the community been vaccinated.

    Again, shame on you for spreading false information and lies.

  • elnura

    So what you are doing is following me from one website to another. That’s call stalking. Which means you have more issue than I realized.

  • notation

    You poor thing. You can’t come up with anything that’s real research done by real scientists, can you?

    I’m sad for you. But I’m also disgusted by your disregard for the well-being of others who are gullible enough to believe the baloney you’re dishing up. You are endangering people by posting false information and bad information. Shame on you.

  • notation

    Oh, goodness. You’ve broken my red candy heart. However WILL I go on, knowing that an ignoramus doesn’t like me? Woe is me.

  • notation

    Aww, izzum upset?

  • notation

    Not always, or children wouldn’t be dying from measles and pertussis. Why not prevent them, or do as much as possible to do so, by vaccinating?

  • notation

    Nope. Guess again, Elvira.

  • notation

    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    What are some of the myths – and facts – about vaccination?

    Online Q&A
    April 2013

    Q: What are some of the myths – and facts – about vaccination?

    A: Myth 1: Better hygiene and sanitation will make diseases disappear – vaccines are not necessary. FALSE

    Fact 1: The diseases we can vaccinate against will return if we stop vaccination programmes. While better hygiene, hand washing and clean water help protect people from infectious diseases, many infections can spread regardless of how clean we are. If people are not vaccinated, diseases that have become uncommon, such as polio and measles, will quickly reappear.

    Myth 2: Vaccines have several damaging and long-term side-effects that are yet unknown. Vaccination can even be fatal. FALSE

    Fact 2: Vaccines are very safe. Most vaccine reactions are usually minor and temporary, such as a sore arm or mild fever. Very serious health events are extremely rare and are carefully monitored and investigated. You are far more likely to be seriously injured by a vaccine-preventable disease than by a vaccine. For example, in the case of polio, the disease can cause paralysis, measles can cause encephalitis and blindness, and some vaccine-preventable diseases can even result in death. While any serious injury or death caused by vaccines is one too many, the benefits of vaccination greatly outweigh the risk, and many, many more injuries and deaths would occur without vaccines.

    Myth 3: The combined vaccine against diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis (whooping cough) and the vaccine against poliomyelitis cause sudden infant death syndrome. FALSE

    Fact 3: There is no causal link between the administering of the vaccines and sudden infant death, however, these vaccines are administered at a time when babies can suffer sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).,. In other words, the SIDS deaths are co-incidental to vaccination and would have occurred even if no vaccinations had been given. It is important to remember that these four diseases are life-threatening and babies who are not vaccinated against them are at serious risk of death or serious disability.

    Myth 4: Vaccine-preventable diseases are almost eradicated in my country, so there is no reason to be vaccinated. FALSE

    Fact 4: Although vaccine preventable diseases have become uncommon in many countries, the infectious agents that cause them continue to circulate in some parts of the world. In a highly inter-connected world, these agents can cross geographical borders and infect anyone who is not protected. In western Europe, for example, measles outbreaks have occurred in unvaccinated populations in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom since 2005. So two key reasons to get vaccinated are to protect ourselves and to protect those around us. Successful vaccination programmes, like successful societies, depend on the cooperation of every individual to ensure the good of all. We should not rely on people around us to stop the spread of disease; we, too, must do what we can.

    Myth 5: Vaccine-preventable childhood illnesses are just an unfortunate fact of life. FALSE

    Fact 5: Vaccine preventable diseases do not have to be ‘facts of life’. Illnesses such as measles, mumps and rubella are serious and can lead to severe complications in both children and adults, including pneumonia, encephalitis, blindness, diarrhoea, ear infections, congenital rubella syndrome (if a woman becomes infected with rubella in early pregnancy), and death. All these diseases and suffering can be prevented with vaccines. Failure to vaccinate against these diseases leaves children unnecessarily vulnerable.

    Myth 6: Giving a child more than one vaccine at a time can increase the risk of harmful side-effects, which can overload the child’s immune system. FALSE

    Fact 6: Scientific evidence shows that giving several vaccines at the same time has no adverse effect on a child’s immune system. Children are exposed to several hundred foreign substances that trigger an immune response every day. The simple act of eating food introduces new antigens into the body, and numerous bacteria live in the mouth and nose. A child is exposed to far more antigens from a common cold or sore throat than they are from vaccines. Key advantages of having several vaccines at once is fewer clinic visits, which saves time and money, and children are more likely to complete the recommended vaccinations on schedule. Also, when it is possible to have a combined vaccination, e.g. for measles, mumps and rubella, that means fewer injections.

    Myth 7: Influenza is just a nuisance, and the vaccine isn’t very effective. FALSE

    Fact 7: Influenza is much more than a nuisance. It is a serious disease that kills 300 000-500 000 people worldwide every year. Pregnant women, small children, elderly people with poor health and anyone with a chronic condition, like asthma or heart disease, are at higher risk for severe infection and death. Vaccinating pregnant women has the added benefit of protecting their newborns (there is currently no vaccine for babies under six months). Vaccination offers immunity to the three most prevalent strains circulating in any given season. It is the best way to reduce your chances of severe flu and of spreading it to others. Avoiding the flu means avoiding extra medical care costs and lost income from missing days of work or school.

    Myth 8: It is better to be immunized through disease than through vaccines. FALSE

    Fact 8: Vaccines interact with the immune system to produce an immune response similar to that produced by the natural infection, but they do not cause the disease or put the immunized person at risk of its potential complications. In contrast, the price paid for getting immunity through natural infection might be mental retardation from Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), birth defects from rubella, liver cancer from hepatitis B virus, or death from measles.

    Myth 9: Vaccines contain mercury which is dangerous. FALSE

    Fact 9: Thiomersal is an organic, mercury-containing compound added to some vaccines as a preservative. It is the most widely-used preservative for vaccines that are provided in multi-dose vials. There is no evidence to suggest that the amount of thiomersal used in vaccines poses a health risk.

    Myth 10: Vaccines cause autism FALSE

    Fact 10: The 1998 study which raised concerns about a possible link between measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism was later found to be seriously flawed, and the paper has been retracted by the journal that published it. Unfortunately, its publication set off a panic that led to dropping immunization rates, and subsequent outbreaks of these diseases. There is no evidence of a link between MMR vaccine and autism or autistic disorders.

  • notation

    Aww, it’s amusing to see how upset the clowns get when someone doesn’t toe the nut-case line. Diversity is a doctor. What are you, Claudia? What do you do? What university did you attend and what degree do YOU hold? Did you ever even set foot in a science class?

    You are beyond stupid. Herd immunity is real. When enough people are vaccinated, disease can’t gain a foothold and run rampant. There will always be some people who cannot have the vaccine due to allergies or medical conditions, but herd immunity can protect them. There will always be people who, despite receiving the vaccine, are not immune. Herd immunity protects them. Shame on you for spreading falsehoods that can affect the lives and health of others. You’re irresponsible and a danger to your community.

  • notation

    Of COURSE there are studies, you imbecile. Here is just one of many: op12no2 . me/stuff/herdhis . pdf

    Good Lord, but you’re stupid. You don’t even know enough to shut up when you don’t know anything.

  • notation

    It cracks me up when someone Capitalizes random Words, like Broken and Medicine. It just shows me how very poorly educated said poster is. And Elvira does it repeatedly.

  • notation

    Only people you see? You don’t see much, then. I don’t profit from vaccines. I don’t work in pharma or medicine. I don’t teach.

    I have no skin in the game except for this: I hate seeing children suffer and die needlessly from diseases that can be prevented by vaccines. I guess you don’t share that feeling, do you? You must enjoy reading about kids who die of measles or flu or pertussis.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    Yup, or that the global medical conspiracy (apparently encompassing every doctor, nurse, hospital, university and government in the world) just changed the names of diseases to perpetuate the big vaccine lie.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

  • notation

    ;) No, you really can’t. Comedy gold, I tell ya.

    I love the idea that the CDC and the FDA are ALL in the pocket of “Big Pharma.” It slays me. EVERYONE who works there? From the head researchers to the secretaries to the mail room guys? They’re ALL corrupt?

    Really. You have to wonder if these clowns ever went to a town that had buildings taller than 3 stories.

  • Andrew Quackfield

    I never lied. I admitted I am being paid by my big pharma overlords to be on here.

  • notation

    I’ve already posted a link to a website that shows it quite clearly and also shows how intellectually dishonest jerks like you have falsified information to make it appear as you wish it were. You’re just too fvcking stupid to realize that you’ve been had, elnura.

  • notation

    Here it is again, you stupid bunt:
    sciencebasedmedicine . org/vaccines-didnt-save-us-intellectual-dishonesty-at-its-most-naked/

  • notation

    You moron, you don’t even understand what he or anyone else has said. Go back to sleep, nitwit.

  • notation

    I’m pretty sure he’s a real doctor and I’m even MORE sure that you aren’t one, Elvira.

  • notation

    Stupid Elvira.

  • notation

    Dumbbell says: “Getting a vaccine is the epitome of laziness when it comes to your health. It simply says that you are too lazy to find natural ways to boost your immune system, to lazy to do your own research and understand how the immune system really works.”

    Yeah, right. You can’t figure out what “to” and “too” mean and you think you’re some sort of sage? You are a complete and utter moron, Claudia. If you had the sense God gave a turnip, you’d be TOO embarrassed TO post such absolute dreck under your own name.

    You don’t have the first clue how your immune system works. I’d be surprised if you even know how shoelaces work, you ignorant ninny.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Read the first part of the statement again that you just made. You said vaccines are natural because they “mimic” the immune system?
    That just does not make sense at all. The immune system develops in time by being exposed to germs and other invaders into the body. If the immune system, one of the most important systems to help us fight disease and infection, becomes strong over time why would you need to inject poisons to “mimic” it?
    Common sense, good nutrition, plenty of sleep, lots of clean water, and necessary vitamins minerals and herbs keep us healthy. Definitely not vaccines and pharmaceuticals.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    If you are truly a doctor your oath was to do no harm. In the current age of increased information about so many subjects there is no reason for anyone to claim naïveté. Look at both sides and then if you still want to believe what you do, have at it.

  • Rick Nielson

    It’s funny, you ADD nothing in the way of content. You’re postulating like you’re bursting with brilliance, but all you’ve done is call people names. Let’s see what you got. I’m callin you out. Tell me why I should embrace vaccines. You can’t do it can you…sweetheart? Honey?

  • LeAnn Addleman

    You can change your facts to myths and myths to fact. You are trusting false data and junk science.

  • https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pet-Agree-Dog-Training/267410594145 Jillian Gray

    Are you serious right now? Have you looked at the stats of children dying or even contracting those diseases in this country? Do you know that most of the effected children were vaccinated? This is not made up you can look at these stats for yourself. I don’t have the link handy because I’m not on my home computer but the number of children contracting VPDs is far less than the number of children being injured by vaccines. How about the 8 babies that just died in China. Or the hundreds that died after WHO volunteered to inject them with poison. Unvaccined children, healthy children are far more likely to fight off those diseases than vaccinated, immune compromised children. Vaccinated children are 500% more likely to be effected by everyday viruses. I have never had the flu…. ever or a flu shot. I have worked in the public, gone to public schools and am always around sick people blowing their germs all over me and I cannot remember ever even having a cold. I did have chicken pox though and now I’m immune.

  • notation

    Unless you can cite a link to a peer-reviewed study to back up your asinine claims, dearie, don’t even bother posting. You’re full of crap. And the word is “affected,” you stupid azz.

  • notation

    Of course it makes sense to people who actually understand science. You don’t, it’s quite clear. Did you ever go to college? Or did you drop out of high school? Did you ever take and actually pass a science class? It doesn’t appear so. Why are you so stupid?

  • notation

    Nonsense. I trust peer-reviewed studies by people who actually went to a university, majored in a science, and have brains. You are quite clearly none of the above, LeAnn, honey. You don’t have a freaking clue what you’re talking about. You’ve never read a single study on vaccines that didn’t come from a quack. Grow up and grow a brain.

  • notation

    Why don’t YOU “look at both sides”?

    Never mind, I already know the answer to this one. You never studied science and you don’t have the first idea what research means or what makes one study valid and another one invalid. You’re a dope.

  • notation

    Honestly, this post makes me just guffaw, it’s so full of stupidity. Vaccines introduce weakened forms of diseases to trigger the immune system to produce antibodies. These antibodies will react when and if the person is infected with a virus to fight it off before it makes the person sick. Is that simple enough for you, you little drip? Good nutrition, plenty of sleep, lots of clean water? All good, but they won’t keep you from being infected as well as immunity from vaccines. The proof is there. You’re just too dumb to understand it. It’s sad, really. Were you born that way?

  • notation

    Of course I can. You’re just too stupid to understand what’s already been posted, Dickie.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    If that’s all the recourse you have is calling names and trying to belittle someone who really doesn’t care what you have to say, you show your true colors. That’s always what happens when someone like you is backed into a corner. I’ve heard it all plenty of times before.

  • notation

    If you didn’t care what I have to say, you’d shut up and leave and stop responding, you twerp. You’re an idiot. You don’t have the first idea what you’re talking about. If you’re older than 18, you should be completely embarrassed at your lack of education in the realm of science. It’s shameful and so are you. You are contributing to the illnesses and deaths of children by spreading your ignorance of science via this board.

    I’d be surprised if you even wen to high school and graduated. Unless it was a really “special” school. The fact that you didn’t deny you’d never taken a science class says it all. You are an ignoramus.

  • notation

    OOh, “Satan’s choir.” Lemme guess, you’re a born-again Christian, aren’t you?

    Dumb as a box of hair and twice as unattractive.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Be careful you’re showing what you really are. Just a cyber bully who isn’t willing to look at more than one side of an issue and carry on an intelligent conversation without blowing a gusset and calling names. Am I really getting to you?

  • notation

    I’m willing to look at another side if that side has ANY valid evidence. When are you going to produce it, sweet cheeks?

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Ha ha ha. I’ve gotten on your good side now haven’t I?

  • notation

    What are you, 12?

  • LeAnn Addleman

    What you really want is for me to produce more dribble that agrees with what you already think you know. No matter what I provide here is not going to be good enough for your limited pre conceived beliefs. I’ve already read what those like you give as “proof” that vaccines are “100% safe” and save “millions of lives” every year. I used to think that might be true. It just doesn’t make sense to me anymore. Do your own Google search, I did as do others who question what allopathic medicine and big pharma try to sell us.

  • Rick Nielson

    Uh huh. Thanks for making point. You need to up your game, you’re starting to bore me. Dickie?

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Why don’t you go away?

  • Roxanne

    “Despite official denials of any correlation between polio vaccines, SV-40 and increased cancer rates, by April 2001, 62 papers from 30 laboratories around the world had reported SV-40 in human tissues and tumours.”
    San Francisco Chronicle 7/15/2001

    “A study of 59,000 women found that children of mothers who received the Salk vaccine between 1959 and 1965 had brain tumors at a rate 13 times greater than mothers who did not receive those polio shots.”
    New England Journal of Medicine 1988; 318; 1469

    “I just think this virus may have some long-term affects…cancer. Three, four weeks after that we found tumours popping out of these hamsters.”
    Dr. Maurice Hilleman, Chief Vaccine Developer, Merck relating comments made to Dr. Albert Sabin, developer of the live virus polio vaccine, in interview with Edward Shorter, Medical Historian, 2/6/87

    “Certain vaccines called “recombinant”, “subunit” and “naked DNA” use methods of genetic engineering in their productions. These techniques pose major concerns because of the unknown interaction of the vaccine and human proteins/DNA. The FDA actually acknowledges this concern where mutations take place through the activation of oncogenes or inactivation of tumour suppressor genes allowing cancers to thrive… A detailed and technical report which details the many cancerous and genetic consequences of vaccine contamination notes that each vaccine dose is allowed 100,000,000 allowable pieces of DNA, not including the DNA in the viral and viral-contaminated portions. We believe that any allowable piece of DNA is a risk.”

    Harold Buttram MD, FAACP, ‘Vaccines and Genetic Mutation’

  • Roxanne

    Power, profit and politic$ make for a
    slippery revolving door.
    “…Primarily a marketing machine to sell drugs of dubious benefit, this (the pharmaceutical) industry uses its weight and power to co-opt every institution that might stand in its way, including the US Congress, the FDA, academia, medical centers and the medical profession itself…”It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”
    Dr. Marcia Angell, former Editor, The New England Journal of Medicine

    “In 2002, the Guardian revealed that British and U.S. scientists are putting their names to papers they have not written. The papers are Ghosted or co-written by employees of the drug companies, then signed for a handsome fee by respectable researchers. In some cases, the researcher have not even seen the raw data on which the papers conclusions are based. A pharmacologist who has studied the practice told the Guardian: ‘It may well be that 50% of the articles on drugs in the major journals across all areas of medicine are not written in a way the average person expects…Three years ago, eleven of the biggest medical journals drew up a code on conflicts of interest. It is plainly not working. Since it was published an analysis of the Journal of American Medical Association revealed that 87% of the scientists who write the clinical guidelines used by doctors for prescribing drugs have financial ties to drug companies. Over half of them are connected to the companies whose drugs they are reviewing.”
    George Monbiot, The Guardian, 2/24/04

  • Roxanne

    Good, so you have a PhD, Mr/Ms. Diversity…. So please
    explain in detail the mechanics of vaccination bypassing the
    mucosal membrane, violating the blood brain barrier
    of a newborn, resulting in synergistic toxicity and demyelination…

  • diversity

    I am just not gonna respond to that … see you can google that and find articles that seem to back up you but in the end it is all full of contradiction and uncertainty

  • Roxanne

    Better get your Scarlet Fever shot before you drop dead
    of it …. How’d we all manage without that injection!

  • Roxanne

    Initially, I give people the benefit of the doubt but when
    they make brash noise and don’t specifically challenge the arguments raised but resort to personal attacks, they are either trolls or so deeply programmed and brainwashed that their brain is permanently stuck in park.

  • Roxanne

    So, then just how are vaccine trials that routinely use NON-INERT placebos valid?

  • diversity

    This is one study. other studies have to be made to see if these correelations are right.

    The fact that animal DNA cant trigger anything in human DNA shows that your post is irrelevant

  • notation

    WTF are you babbling about?

  • notation

    Why don’t you?

  • diversity

    The immune system is already ready to function in a new born. but it has no “memory” cells. It becomes stronger with training. if you want to lift 200 pounds you have to train your muscles. this is what vaccines do to the human body.

    “Common sense, good nutrition, plenty of sleep, lots of clean water, and necessary vitamins minerals and herbs keep us healthy” try to fight off polio or measles with that.

  • notation

    Got a cite to a peer-reviewed study?

  • diversity

    The virus looks different and has a different DNA. New virus

  • Roxanne

    Causing and contributing to auto-immune diseases and other disorders is hardly “saving lives”.

  • notation

    The blood brain barrier isn’t “violated.” You are completely idiotic, Roxanne.

  • notation

    Well, since you have no evidence that happens (since it doesn’t), no worries, then.

    Really, honey, you might as well throw in the towel. You’re as finished as the Broncos.

  • diversity

    What you are referring to is wrong . those children that got the pertussis alhough vaccinated had a new kind of virus. And GSK has a study about the vaccine just google

  • notation

    As in Dickhead, dear. Do you need me to spell it out for you?

  • diversity

    Polio was not declining. of course sanitation and hygiene had their share in the battle against polio but vaccines are really helping to prevent.

  • Roxanne

    You should know since you think your pro-vaccine stance
    stands on a bedrock of scientific integrity! Please explain why vaccine trials routinely do not use inert placebos, and
    hence by therefore using NON-INERT placebos skew the
    results?

  • notation

    And not a peer-reviewed study in sight. Again. When are you going to realize that nobody with a brain is impressed with articles that aren’t based on science that’s current and cited, dear?

    How stupid are you?

  • notation

    If you can cite a study, honey, do so. I’m not interested in the brain-farts of some twerp who never took a science class in her life.

  • diversity

    as i recall a pediatric surgeon is a doctor?

    independent study like what, harvard,yale? or common sense? you can find the definition of herd immunity in every 9th grade biology book

  • notation

    Not according the nitwits here. To hear them tell it, polio and all other diseases would have been eradicated without vaccines.

    They’re idiots.

  • diversity

    preciate it man

  • Roxanne

    I’m sure there are ample peer review studies in the 62 papers from 30 laboratories around the world re. the SV-40
    as alluded to in the below report, but of course, since that
    means actually taking the time to engage in serious critical investigation of your vaccine holy cow, the point will be lost on you.

  • notation

    And still no link to an actual peer-reviewed study. Just articles and claims but no cites to back them up.

  • notation

    You’re welcome, but I’m a “she.”

  • diversity

    see you dont question why they are not peer reviewed, you say that medicine is boken … i aint even bother reading all this cause its irrelevant

  • notation

    You’re “sure”? Then cite them. If you can’t, it’s not my problem. You can’t prove your claim. Be shown to be a liar.

  • diversity

    OMG sorry :D

  • Roxanne

    How researched challenged are you?!… Even when criticisms are raised in the NEJM and by important insiders in the vaccine industry like Dr. Hilleman, you ignore it… BTW, please show me your studies looking for potential carcinogenicity of vaccination???

  • notation

    No worries. How would you have known? ;)

  • notation

    If you want to prove your case and not be laughed out of the room, cite the study. If you can’t, I won’t be surprised. I doubt you have a clue what you are talking about.

    I don’t need to cite a thing: I’m not the one making the claim. You are. Prove it.

    I have to tell you, though, it’s pretty funny seeing you type all those question marks. Looks pretty “high school.”

  • Roxanne

    Read again, Diversity… There are dozens of studies. Now,
    please show me, just like I asked Notation your studies looking for potential carcinogenicity of vaccination??

  • diversity

    I wanted to state that I am a REAL doctor which you questioned. you shouldnt be impressed by the letters after the name but by the knowledge and experience

  • notation

    No, there aren’t. Unless you can cite them, they don’t exist. If they’re not peer-reviewed, they don’t matter. If you don’t know what “peer-reviewed” means, you might want to look it up, sweetie.

  • diversity

    Since there are none i dont bother

  • diversity

    Amen

  • notation

    Really. What a doofus.

  • diversity

    thanks anyways :)

  • Roxanne

    Pure diversionary tactics, Notation, especially as
    the onus is on the vaccine proponent to show research showing that vaccines have been studied for carcinogenicity
    and not just assumed not to be linked to cancer… I believe
    that’s called don’t look, don’t find “science.” So, again,
    please show me vaccine studies that test for carcinogenic
    potential?

  • notation

    Well, it’s been fun watching Rox in Her Head try to look like she has half a brain, but I have things to do tomorrow. I’m quite confident the morons here won’t have much of substance to say in the next 12 hours or so. After all, they’ve said nothing in the previous year, so it’s a good bet they’ll have nothing more to add other than anecdotes and spurious “studies” by “doctors” who are quacks.

    Nighty-night Roxy.

  • Roxanne

    Since you’re too lazy to engage in correct spelling, I’m hardly surprised you won’t investigate anything that might threaten
    your vaccine holy cow.

  • notation

    No, honey, it’s not on me. You are claiming something. Prove it. Go ahead. You can’t. That’s not my problem, Roxie.

  • Roxanne

    So notation and diversity, I’m still waiting for your
    studies that research potential carcinogenicity from vaccines???

  • Roxanne

    If you are a “real doctor”, I have to wonder with your inability to step out of the box and investigate, you’ll end up joining the ranks of far too many in the medical profession inducing death and suffering instead of saving lives.

  • Roxanne

    If you are a real** doctor, I have to wonder with your inability to step out of the box and investigate, if you’ll end up joining the ranks of far too many in the medical profession inducing death and suffering instead of saving lives. ** Real doctors
    aren’t afraid to question the dogmas of their training, and
    don’t dismiss the indisputable ties between the pharmaceutical industry and regulatory boards yielding a
    troubling revolving door of power, politic$ and profit.

  • diversity

    bigots believe what they are told and dont accept the truth even if it is right in front of their eyes

  • diversity

    since you are just not open minded I dont care what you think about my spelling

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    My, my such a name caller, can’t prove your point any other way? What do you work on the assembly line of the big pharma too? Afraid of losing your job? Do they pay you extra to be a poison pusher on line? I believe I said herd immunity is real, natural herd immunity, as in getting the disease which gives you immunity for life.

    Back before we had vaccines, natural herd immunity would protect a population of people because once an individual contracted a particular strain of a virus, they would be immune for a lifetime. An adult who had
    chicken pox or measles as a child will receive natural immune ‘boosters’ when exposed to their child or someone else with chicken pox.

    Unlike natural immunity, vaccine-induced immunity doesn’t have the same profile of benefits. A vaccine targets a specific strain or strains of a virus and only confers temporary protection against that strain
    (between 2-10 years depending on the specific illness).

    Effective vaccine-induced herd immunity requires that the drug companies continue to churn out boosters so that the population can ward off illness. Furthermore, the individuals never build their own natural
    immune response. Studies show that in the case of pertussis and other infectious diseases, the organisms keep evolving to become more and more vaccine resistant – further requiring that drug companies come up with pharmaceutical solutions.

  • Roxanne

    Try Merck’s HPV vaccine for starters! You don’t even read
    the monographs but defend the “science” of vaccines while
    insulting those who actually cite what the manufacturer
    (not I) wrote. Fake placebos is junk science, “honey.”

  • Roxanne

    Yep, so much easier to engage in sound bite insults than show me the vaccine trials looking for carcinogenic potential etc. huh? Read your monographs which admit that carcinogenic potential is NOT studied.

  • Roxanne

    This is so funny, since I used to be SO pro-vaccine but was
    forced to question the holy cow, after three disturbing wake
    up calls.

  • Rick Nielson

    This is classic troll.

  • Roxanne

    So what did I write that was “bigoted”… Do you disagree that
    real doctors as opposed to the inferior variety actually think for themselves, and do not blindly accept the CDC etc. as
    impartial gods?

  • Roxanne

    The blood brain barrier isn’t even fully developed in a newborn…”honey.”

  • Rick Nielson

    You and your friends have failed miserably at compelling anyone to give vaccines another look. But you have revealed what an angry, disturbed individual you are. IMO

  • Roxanne

    Here are two real professionals unafraid to look at vaccines (in this case regarding the hep B vaccine) and auto-immune and other conditions:
    “Genetically engineered Hepatitis B vaccines contain polypeptide sequences that are present in human neurologic tissues such as myelin, and that by a mechanism called molecular mimicry, these polypeptides can act as autoantigens which can induce autoimmune demyelinating disease of the brain such as Multiple Sclerosis…. One wonders how the CDC continues to reassure the public about the safety of the Hepatitis B vaccine when they must be aware of thousands of reports to the Vaccine Adverse Reporting System following vaccination including Multiple Sclerosis, Guillan Barre, and autoimmune arthritis; and when there are at least twenty articles in peer reviewed journals medical literature of diseases such as MS and optic neuritis that occurred after Hep. B Vaccanation.”
    ‘A Mortatorium Should Be Placed on This Experiment’, Burton Waisbren MD, FACP, Cell Biologist, Infectious Disease Specialist

    “I have been honoured by the National Institutes of Health for my pioneering work in vaccine development …As I’ve been invited to speak to this distinguished subcommittee, it is important to discuss my experience with the clearly apparent severe adverse effects of the Hep B vaccine…Two individuals working in my lab were required to take the Hep B vaccine. Both were completely healthy and very active before this vaccine and now suffer severe debilitating side effects from the vaccine. My brother Dr. Bohn Dunbar developed seriously chronic joint and muscle pain, fatigue and multiple sclerosis-like symptoms… and has been further diagnosed with POTS (an autoimmune, cardiovascular and neurological problem) and subsequently, with chronic inflammation, demyelinating polyneuropathy. His problem has been attributed to the Hep B vaccine by over a dozen different specialists around the United States… He’s now been rated permanently and totally impaired at greater than 90%. His health care has already cost the state of Texan about a half million dollars… My other student went partially blind following her first booster injection, a medical condition that was markedly exacerbated by her second booster that resulted in her hospitalization…I have been in contact with numerous physicians and research scientists from several countries who have independently described identical serious reactions to the vaccine in thousands…Their observations for the most part have been denied or ignored by the public health systems… I’ve been contacted personally by hundreds of individuals, including parents, who have reported deaths , severe health problems and lifelong disabilities resulting in major medical costs following the administration of this vaccine.”

    Bonnie Dunbar PhD, Prof. of Deptment Of Cell Biology, Baylor College of Medicine, Baylor, Texas
    (worked in vaccine development for over twenty-five years)

  • Roxanne

    P.S. Too funny, considering the time I’ve spent in the past
    in Seattle. I’m as victorious as a Seahawk!

  • Roxanne

    So vaccine “herd immunity” is different today than then?
    The point is made whether I they are old or new examples.

  • diversity

    no herd immunity is always the same

  • diversity

    your sources are bigoted

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Nice try with the analogy of weight lifting. Although I agree with you that a newborn’s immune system is not fully developed, its not built by stressing it immediately less than 12 hours after birth with unnecessary viruses and toxic substances. I understand the theory behind vaccination, it just doesn’t work as planned.

  • Roxanne

    So vaccine monographs from the pharmaceutical companies
    themselves that reveal they use non-inert placebos, don’t
    test for carcinogenic potential etc. are “bigoted”…. Talk about Orwellian logic!

  • Roxanne

    Presumptuous, aren’t we! Your meaningless insults don’t bother me, they simply demonstrate your ignorance of the junk science behind vaccine trials or do you defend the use of non-inert placebos? How many product monographs have you read? (Try Merck’s Gardasil for starters for non-inert placebos, otherwise known as junk science)

  • Roxanne

    Vaccines and Death:
    Na, “DPT Vaccination and Sudden Infant Death – Tennessee, US Dept HEW, MMWR Report, Mar 23, 1979, vol 28(11): 132.
    Arevalo, “Vaccinia Necrosum. Report on a Fatal Case”, Bol Ofoc Sanit Panamer, Aug 1967, 63:106-110.
    Connolly, J H, Dick, G W, Field, CM, “A Case of Fatal Progressive Vaccinia”, Brit Med Jour, 12 May 1962; 5288:1315-1317.
    Aragona, F, “Fatal Acute Adrenal Insufficiency Caused by Bilateral Apoplexy of the Adrenal Glands (WFS) following Anti-poliomyelitis Vaccination”, Minerva Medicolegale, Aug 1960; 80:167-173.
    Moblus, G et al, “Pathological-Anatomical Findings in Cases of Death Following Poliomyelitis and DPT Vaccination”, Dtsch Gesundheitsw, Jul 20, 1972, 27:1382-1386.
    NA, “Immunizations and Cot Deaths”, Lancet, Sept 25, 1982, np.
    Goetzeler, A, “Fatal Encephalitis after Poliomyelitis Vaccination”, 22 Jun 1961, Muenchen Med Wschr, 102:1419-1422.
    Fulginiti, V, “Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, Diphtheria-Tetanus Toxoid-Pertussis Vaccination and Visits to the Doctor: Chance Association or Cause and Effect?”, Pediatr Infect Disorder, Jan-Feb 1983, 2(1): 7-11.
    Baraff, LJ, et al, “Possible Temporal Association Between Diphtheria-tetanus toxoid-Pertussis Vaccination and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome”, Pediatr Infect Disorder, Jan-Feb 1983, 2(1): 5-6.
    Reynolds, E, “Fatal Outcome of a Case of Eczema Vaccinatum”, Lancet, 24 Sept 1960, 2:684-686.
    Apostolov. et al, “Death of an Infant in Hyperthermia After Vaccination”, J Clin Path, Mar 1961, 14:196-197.
    Bouvier-Colle, MH, “Sex-Specific Differences in Mortality After High-Titre Measles Vaccination”, Rev Epidemiol Sante Publique, 1995; 43(1): 97.
    Stewart GT, “Deaths of infants after triple vaccine.”, Lancet 1979 Aug 18;2(8138):354-355.
    Flahault A, “Sudden infant death syndrome and diphtheria/tetanus toxoid/pertussis/poliomyelitis immunisation.”, Lancet 1988 Mar 12;1(8585):582-583.
    Larbre, F et al, “Fatal Acute Myocarditis After Smallpox Vaccination”, Pediatrie, Apr-May 1966, 21:345-350.
    Mortimer EA Jr, “DTP and SIDS: when data differ”, Am J Public Health 1987 Aug; 77(8):925-926.

  • sabelmouse

    first of all; nobody dies from measles , they die from complications that can often be prevented by appropriate nursing as well as high nutritional status.
    secondly, incidence of death or other damage varies greatly from one disease to another. why treat them all the same. in germany STICKO admits that they recommend the varicella vaccination for economic reasons yet it seems that most americans are told that it’s deadly.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Among children who contracted mumps during recent New York/ New Jersey outbreaks 97% were vaccinated by MMR vaccine, according to their school records. Pertussis outbreak affects mostly children vaccinated against pertussis, because new mutant stronger strains emergedsince vaccination began (because of vaccines? Similar to antibiotic resistance?) Merck falsified effectiveness of MMR vaccine , according to wistleblower scientists from Merck, by adding antibodies to patient blood samples during trials – this is outright crime, but I don’t see a lawsuit from CDC against Merck. Manipulation, fraud, and suppression of independent studies by vaccine industry are widespead -crimes. Massive use of paid trolls on internet by this industry is a common practice, although not a crime.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    “asinine, moron, crap, you stupid azz, ignoramus, have fun with shingles, stupid…” – in only 14 lines!
    This is level of intelligence of vaccine industry trolls and quality of their discussion. They are given facts, and since they don’t have anything to counter with (except their own industry’s often falsified or manipulated studies, and often not even that), streams of dirt start to fall from their mouth: Good illustration to the article above – should be added.

    The problem is : anywhwere the discussion about vaccines begins, paid vaccine trolls come en masse insulting parents and scientists with dirty language, bring the discussion down to the level of marketplace brawl, effectively closing the discussion.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Just curious, are you the one from the team of vaccine industry lawyer Dorit Reiss? She employs several shills, one of them “lilady”, notorious swearer. Linguistically , notation is very similar to “lilady”, although the density of offensive words is a little bit lower. Are you “lilady”?

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    I read recently a post from someone in India, who told that her neighbor’s
    infant son died from polio soon after he was given vaccine against polio. She “thanked” one person by the name B.G. for that death.

  • notation

    Honey, you are delusional. The science is solid. You can’t seem to post any evidence to the contrary. Why is that?

  • notation

    No, sweetie. You are making the claim that vaccines are causing disease. Either ante up or fold.

  • notation

    Where are there any “facts” in Jillian’s post, dis?

    Too bad if you don’t like what I write when I’m responding to someone who has not a shred of knowledge about medicine and its writing on a biased site where science is the great Satan.

  • notation

    I don’t work for the pharmaceutical industry, I am not a doctor, and I don’t teach at a university. No, I’m not milady. I use “honey” because morons like Roxanne deserve to be treated as such.

  • notation

    And still, no citations to actual studies. Where are they?

  • notation

    Here’s your idol’s bio: She has testified before the Illinois Board of Health regarding the dangers of the Hepatitis B vaccine, using her brother’s anecdote as evidence,[6] and has presented at the NVIC’s 4th International Public Conference on Vaccination.[7] She also submitted a research proposal regarding adverse reactions to the hepatitis vaccine in 1997;[8]however, the proposal was rejected on two occasions.[6] Originally, a considerable part of her research focused on the development of contraceptive vaccines, which she spent more than 20 years developing. She has claimed her interest in this was because “…in my young years I had a vision that maybe we could help the world population problem and provide women with an option for birth control that was not invasive in our hormones or our systems or otherwise have the side effects we now see with a lot of contraceptive methods.”[3] In February 1991, Dr. Dunbar received a patent on such a vaccine while affiliated with Zonagen.[9] Her beliefs surrounding the potential dangers of vaccines are well-summed up in this quote: “The only thing that happened is they took this vaccine, and within a month most of these people have had completely debilitating lifestyle changes.”[10] She has been called “the new Karen Blixen,” and is currently the owner of the Karen Blixen Coffee Garden Restaurant and Cottages,[11] as well as the treasurer of the African Biomedical Center.[12] She also served on the editorial board of the journal Medical Veritas, which was published from 2004 to 2008 and endorsed anti-vaccine views.

  • notation

    Wow, Dickie, you add so much to these discussions. Tell us all just what this one is about.

  • notation

    It doesn’t matter whether they die from measles or the complications thereof, silly goose. People who have Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s don’t technically die from those either. Are you claiming that those diseases aren’t deadly? Moron.

    Furthermore, death isn’t the only outcome of measles: children can become deaf. Why would you wish your child to be at risk when it is easy to prevent a disease?

  • notation

    Vaccines don’t cause cancer. Unless you can prove otherwise with a peer-reviewed study, it’s bunkum.

  • notation

    HAhahahaha! Dr. Hillman? Now I KNOW you’re a nut: scienceblogs . com/insolence/2013/09/11/a-zombie-meme-rises-from-the-grave-maurice-hilleman-the-polio-vaccine-sv40-and-cancer/

    Read it and weep, dearie.

  • sabelmouse

    death and/or other negative outcomes. my point being that measles isn’t deadly or dangerous because complications can be affected.
    the silly thing is avoiding an innocuous disease rather than prevent complications.
    do you think that name calling/insults help your cause?

  • notation

    It ISN’T “innocuous.” It can kill. It can leave children deaf. What part of that are you too stupid to grasp?

  • notation

    Cite the studies, Claudia, dear, that show any such thing.

    You are so typical of the crowd here–not educated, unable to think critically, and simply delusional. The utter stupidity of all of you is laughable–you assume right off the bat that anyone who disagrees with your sacred cows “must” work for pharma. I don’t. Never have. Not a doctor, either. Nor do I teach at a university. I simply understand the science behind vaccines. I understand how herd immunity occurs, and yes, it is real. It’s not some “hoax,” as you numbskulls believe. It’s the reason more of us aren’t sick.

    But you’re simply too wrapped up in your conspiracy theories to actually study something you don’t understand. You’d rather go with suspicion and lack of knowledge. Tell me, have you ever taken a college-level science class? Ever? I notice you didn’t bother to answer that question. Quite telling. Let me know when you are brave enough to admit that you’ve never taken any science classes and are probably not a college graduate.

  • notation

    “Furthermore, the individuals never build their own natural
    immune response.”

    Absolute balderdash. There is nothing “unnatural” about immunity conferred through vaccinations. The immune system is stimulated by weakened forms of the virus to produce antibodies. Your premise is absurd.

  • notation

    Of course it does. Go read the studies. There is nothing harmful in inoculating an infant. The “unnecessary viruses” are the ones that kill children. And no, you don’t have even a rudimentary understanding of how vaccines work. It’s not a “theory,” doofus.

  • sabelmouse

    why don’t you grasp that it’s the complications, not the actual disease that are dangerous. if you don’t know that much…

  • Jim Bob

    Regarding your statements about MMR and pertussis cases being mostly vax is somewhat misleading. While yes, in absolute numbers, the majority of those infected with mumps or pertussis were vaccinated. However, if you were to look at the infection rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated, you would find that the rate of infection of the unvaccinated is much higher than those that were vaccinated.
    That is to say, the infection rate of the unvaccinated population would be around 50% where as the infection rate of the vaccinated population would be 5%.
    Leaving out these caveats is what some deem to be misinformation.

  • notation

    Are you kidding me? You nut cases look more unstable with every post. Do you know how few people refuse to vaccinate? You are part of an extremely small, uneducated minority. Why? Because most people, the vast majority, can see how ridiculous your beliefs are and how little basis they have in science. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Most normal people know that and dismiss you crazy twits without a second thought.

    My mother had an older sister who had been a triplet. At around a year old, all three were infected with a childhood disease for which we now have a vaccine. Two of the three died. My aunt was left mentally retarded and was never able to live independently.

    This wasn’t in some developing country. This was right here in the US, near one of the largest cities on the East Coast, close to hospitals and the best medical care. The family wasn’t living in squalor–they lived in a lovely suburban neighborhood, with clean water and good food.

    You people are just plain ignorant. You know nothing about science and even less about history.

  • notation

    Thank you! I doubt disqus k3 will be able to understand what you’ve posted, but maybe others will.

  • notation

    Why don’t YOU grasp that the complications WOULDN’T OCCUR UNLESS THE DISEASE CAUSED THEM?

    How fvcking stupid are you? You don’t seem to be playing with a full deck, lady. The disease weakens the body so that pneumonia or sepsis sets in and death occurs. Prevent the disease and there won’t BE any complications. My word, it’s like talking to a toddler.

  • Jim Bob

    They won’t use “inert” placebos because of something called ethics.
    Plus, they won’t skew the results because the results of the placebo are predictable since they too have been tested vigorously.

  • Jim Bob

    Notation has a point (although his/her style of discourse is not quite pleasant).
    Roxanne, You demand double-blind placebo studies from medical professionals to prove safety but you’ll use opinion based resources to show they are unsafe.
    Its somewhat hypocritical.

  • notation

    Almost everyone who has not had MMR vaccine will get measles if they are exposed to the measles virus.

    Before the measles vaccination program started in 1963, about 3 to 4 million people got measles each year in the United States. Also, each year, about 48,000 people were hospitalized, 1,000 suffered brain damage or became deaf, and 450 died because of measles.

    Thanks to the MMR vaccine, measles no longer circulates year round in the United States. But because it is still common in other parts of the world, unvaccinated people can get measles when they are in other countries and bring it into the United States. They can infect other people, which can cause outbreaks in their communities.

    Today, only about 60 people in the United States are reported to have measles each year. But this number can go up when people don’t get the vaccine and are exposed to measles. In the late 1980s, measles cases went way up—and so did measles deaths—due to large numbers of unvaccinated children in some communities.

    In 2011, the number of people reported to have measles in the United States was higher than usual: 220 people were reported to have the disease. That’s more than any year since 1996. Measles sent 32% of these people to the hospital. People who had measles spread the disease to others. This caused 16 different measles outbreaks in 2011.

  • notation

    Here, nitwit, read this: Almost everyone who has not had MMR vaccine will get measles if they are exposed to the measles virus.

    Before the measles vaccination program started in 1963, about 3 to 4 million people got measles each year in the United States. Also, each year, about 48,000 people were hospitalized, 1,000 suffered brain damage or became deaf, and 450 died because of measles.

    Thanks to the MMR vaccine, measles no longer circulates year round in the United States. But because it is still common in other parts of the world, unvaccinated people can get measles when they are in other countries and bring it into the United States. They can infect other people, which can cause outbreaks in their communities.

    Today, only about 60 people in the United States are reported to have measles each year. But this number can go up when people don’t get the vaccine and are exposed to measles. In the late 1980s, measles cases went way up—and so did measles deaths—due to large numbers of unvaccinated children in some communities.

    In 2011, the number of people reported to have measles in the United States was higher than usual: 220 people were reported to have the disease. That’s more than any year since 1996. Measles sent 32% of these people to the hospital. People who had measles spread the disease to others. This caused 16 different measles outbreaks in 2011.

  • notation

    Idiots abound. Now “sabelmouse” is trying to pin her argument on the idea that “measles doesn’t kill, the complications do.” As if that somehow were a valid reason not to get the vaccination. So stupid! If one can prevent the disease in the first place, there won’t BE any ‘complications.’ In addition, even WITH good care, the disease itself can be extremely miserable and can result in permanent damage to a person. Why would ANYONE be willing to risk that and then claim that the MMR is “dangerous”?

  • sabelmouse

    when i grew up it was normal to have the measles. and mumps, and so on. no panic. people knew how to nurse sick children, no plopping them in front of the tv [very much contraindicated with the measles] , proper bedrest ectr. so as to prevent complications. the reward? life long immunity, protection of infants by their mothers . win/win!
    i’m not scared of the measles. i’ve had them. no biggy. chickenpox was worse because of the itching.

  • notation

    Nobody cares about your experience with the measles. I had them, too, and the chicken pox. So what? People had smallpox and polio at one time; that doesn’t mean anyone has to endure them NOW. To what purpose should children suffer through a disease that is preventable and CAN and DOES kill and disable?

    The vaccine is safe. You have absolutely no proof it isn’t, and your arguments against vaccines are simply without merit.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Whoa, whoa… you’re telling me vaccines prevent infection or “prevent” the symptoms of infection?

  • notation

    What part of his statement is unclear to you?

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    When someone is vaccinated, how many physicians can recognize the “breakthrough” disease, or in other words, becoming a reservoir for infection?

    That is, unless, you assume everyone’s immune system is genetically the same and response to the vaccine in the same manner.

  • notation

    What “breakthrough” disease are you talking about? Are you talking about “shedding” the virus? Are you talking about someone for whom the vaccine didn’t work for some reason?

    Of course, I don’t assume that everyone’s immune system is the same.

  • notation

    The vaccines for childhood infections are about 90% effective.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    I’m talking about breakthrough diseases in vaccinated children, adults, whomever…. and in addition to those being vaccinated becoming a carrier for the disease (carrier state).

    So this doesn’t apparently exist?

  • notation

    The larger the percentage of people vaccinated, the less chance there is of a “breakthrough”. Even if someone who’s been vaccinated gets the disease, there’s far less opportunity for it to gain a foothold if the great majority of the population is vaccinated.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Documentation, please.

  • notation

    Of what? That herd immunity exists? That it prevents the spread of disease? I’ve posted reams of articles, but anytime one of you sees anything that contains a whiff of science, it’s been dismissed out of hand.

    The real proof is in the rapid decline of diseases that occurred right after vaccines were introduced. They are the best way we have of protecting ourselves against disease.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Here’s what they’re likely not teaching you in college: much about diseases before 1950.

    Take a gander on page 85 at the mortality and morbidity of measles prior to the 1960s.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf

    Your premise is false and you’re still not providing your documentation.

  • notation

    No, it’s not false. But since you are a “true believe” in woo, it won’t matter what’s posted that proves you’re wrong.

    Did you go to college? Take a science class?

  • notation

    sciencebasedmedicine . org/herd-immunity/

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Yes. But I’m not a nurse or doctor if that’s what you’re asking.

    However, I’ll be waiting for your documentation. Until then, thanks.

  • gomurr

    Actually they were caused by Bill Gates “vaccinate the world” program, which reintroduced polio to areas where it hadn’t been seen in years.

  • Shelley Tzorfas

    Researchers Release the Profile of a Vaccine Internet Troll

    June 21, 2012 By Shelley Tzorfas Leave a Comment

    The Typical Vaccine Internet Troll is a college educated, somewhat intelligent single man or woman who is adept with computers, can text at near lightening speed, and owns a minimum of 10 electronic devices that require a battery or charger. He or she is perfectly able to skip several meals but cannot be found in public without the laptop, i-phone or blackberry. A troll is rarely seen without a water bottle with a foreign sounding name or appeal.

    Some trolls are known to have lofty ideas and have a tendency toward grandiose purchases and grand daydreams. They opine about their past but construct elaborate designs regarding their future- most of which remain in their imaginations.

    The typical troll is between 28 and 40 years old and can often be found in their parent’s basement where they reside and spend most of their waking hours. When not engaged in a video game or online chat, they take time to peruse the internet leisurely in order to counter a current dialogue or posting. When not working out at a gym, a troll can be found rewashing their imported car. To a troll, this is considered as a sport. Still in debt with their student loans, they have no problem paying for new large car loans.

    According to Communitiesonline.homestead.com a troll is referred to as a member of a community or usenet group who make posts deliberately designed to attract responses of outrage or indignation.

    “It is the Troll’s intent to hook unsuspecting members into responding.” The troll gets satisfaction that they have impact on others. “ “A distinction must be made between true trolls, newbies who are undergoing growing pains as they attempt to adjust to community standards, and regular community members who simply have strong but otherwise harmless dissenting opinions.” see whole article here

    In Urbandictionary.com a troll is “One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.”

    When you come across a comment made by an vaccine internet troll you can begin to see a pattern that emerges. They respond with words like, “You idiot, do you want to see millions of children dying from the Chicken –pox again? I suppose you think that it is better to have strep throat than a Whooping Cough Vaccine, without knowing that the Whooping Cough vaccine has nothing to do with strep-throat,. For that matter there is no such thing as a strep throat vaccine to begin with.The next time you see comments saying: ‘My unvaccinated child has autism’ or ‘My immune-compromised child can’t take vaccines – it is your duty to immunize your child so my child doesn’t get sick’ or ‘My sister got measles and died’ etc. – please be aware that these may be totally fabricated lies concocted by vaccine fanatics to intimidate and discredit vaccine freedom and awareness websites and facebook pages.

    They also advocate setting up phony email accounts and IDs so that their dishonest comments cannot be traced back to the source. read more

    A troll is often writing on the computer while sipping lattes in fad Coffee establishments. Trolls are very self-assured and believe that they actually have 500-1,000 friends. They enjoy television, 3D movies and Springsteen concerts.

    Once they have posted an attack or cursed at you, beware of the intention. Trying to respond with intelligence only escalates their hostility. If you report a fact that can be confirmed, it will not matter to them because their response is scripted. You might retort, “If vaccines are so safe, why did the US vaccine court already pay 2 Billion dollars to families that proved that vaccines, “Resulted” in Autism.” “By paying, the US agreed that the damages were a result of vaccines and compensation was an act of justice. They might respond with “Prove it.” You can then try to get them to read about it but they will say that they do not have the time and comment, ”If the US paid money because someone got hurt from a vaccine then it would be on TV, the news and the radio; I do not have time for your B.S.”

    The one important thing to watch for is the language that they employ that is meant to throw you off the track. They are really being paid to sound as if they are just regular people with an opinion and teach you that society survived only because of great vaccinations.” “We would all be dead by now if not for superior pharmaceuticals.” Not that they can acknowledge the fact that their own parents survived with only 5 or 6 lifetime vaccines, a far cry from the 40 or 50 vaccines that the trolls have had thus far.

    Trolls have a tendency to put on weight in an apple type shape-particularly around the middle. They might make a promise to themselves to frequent fast food establishments less than 7 times per week as they find the convenience of wi-fi in fast food restaurants very appealing. Sometimes they prefer to spend time on E-Bay rather than have a face-to-face social encounter with a girlfriend or boyfriend.

    The frequency of the text is heightened as the troll communicates. “Mom, I have not seen you for dinner for a long time, can we have dinner together tonight?” Mom texts back; ”Yes deary, come upstairs in half an hour and the chicken will be ready on the kitchen table.” Soon afterwards the troll prepares to make the “treck” upstairs all the way to the kitchen.

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  • LeAnn Addleman

    I keep telling you and the other one, what’s his/her name here? diversity? I have read the studies done by the CDC and big pharma. The information they give is false and they know it. I does much damage to children. Childhood diseases were a means to build lifetime immunity and very few died from them, mostly from complications. We have more chronic diseases now in children that were not prevalent before vaccines came on the scene. Children die from vaccines now instead of from childhood diseases.
    There are several sites that give information about the vaccine ingredients. In fact the package insert themselves warn about possible adverse events that have been experienced by children after vaccination.
    Check out VAERS.com, NVIC.com, and read 3 books written by Neil Z. Miller, a research journalist who did in depth studies into the efficacy and safety of the current vaccinations.
    Stop being so one-sided and naive.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Where these numbers came from? How many of this measle cases were among vaccinated people.? Because that’s where decease now happens: mostly among population vaccinated against this particular decease

  • notation

    No, the information from the CDC is not “false.” But morons who believe in conspiracy theories and lack the education to understand the science behind vaccines or to learn from history are not about to be taught by anyone.

    You are simply wrong. But it’s a hoot to see a nut-job like you tell someone else not to be “one-sided and naive.”

    Ever take a science class? Attend college?

    No, not likely. It shows.

  • notation

    Holistic medicine? Ahahahhahaha,

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Please provide source for your numbers

  • notation

    Let me know when you learn how to spell “lightning.”

    This is comedy gold.

  • notation

    You’re not a scientist, either. And I’ll bet you haven’t taken a science class and passed it.

    You’re no more than another nut-case who can’t prove the claims you make. Thanks for playing.

  • notation

    No, there aren’t. You are mistaking articles and books written by anti-vaxers with actual peer-reviewed studies. Either cite them or be exposed as a liar.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Especially effective is MMR vaccine, in Merck-financed studies when they spiked samples with antibodies to show how “effective” their vaccine is. With this technique they easily could get 100%, even 200%, just add more antibodies.

  • notation

    Yeah, Shelley, I’m ever so confident that someone who thinks the words are “lightening” and “treck” is well-educated and bright. Thanks for the laugh. Made my day, it did.

  • notation

    Got proof? Where?

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Your arrogance blinds you.

    Instead of discussing the matter like an adult, you choose childish insults as a cover.

    There’s the data from the CDC.
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf

    You can choose to discuss it or not.

    Lastly, differing opinions are welcome in conversation. If you lack common courtesy in your conversational décor, you won’t be posting here anymore.

  • Roxanne

    The Hepatitis B Vaccine and Vision Loss:

    Albitar S, et al. Bilateral retrobulbar optic neuritis with hepatitis B vaccination. Nephrol Dial Transplant. 1997 Oct;12(10):2169-70.

    Achiron LR, et al. Postinfectious hepatitis B optic neuritis. Optom Vis Sci 1994;71:53-6. Arya SC., et al. Ophthalmic complications of vaccines against hepatitis B virus. Int Ophthalmol. 1997;21(3):177-8.

    Baglivo E, et al. Multiple evanescent white dot syndrome after hepatitis B vaccine. Am J Ophthalmol. 1996 Sep;122(3):431-2.

    Berkman N, Benzarti T, Dhaoui R, Mouly P., et al. [Bilateral neuro-papillitis after hepatitis B vaccination] Presse Med. 1996 Sep 28;25(28):1301. French.

    Berkman N. [A case of segmentary unilateral occlusion of the central retinal vein following hepatitis B vaccination]. Presse Med. 1997 Apr 26;26(14):670. French.

    Bourges JL, Pisella PJ, Laurens C, Limon S. [Multifocal placoid epitheliopathy and anti-hepatitis B vaccination] J Fr Ophtalmol. 1998 Nov;21(9):696-700. French.

    Brezin A, et al. Visual loss and eosinophilia after recombinant hepatitis B vaccine. Lancet. 1993 Aug 28;342(8870):563-4.

    Brezin AP, Massin-Korobelnik P, Boudin M, Gaudric A, LeHoang P., et al. Acute posterior multifocal placoid pigment epitheliopathy after hepatitis B vaccine. Arch Ophthalmol. 1995 Mar;113(3):297-300.

    Galli M, Morelli R, Casellato A, et al. Retrobulbar optic neuritis in a patient with acute type B hepatitis. Neurol Sci 1986;72:195-200.

    Granel B, et al. [Occlusion of the central retinal vein after vaccination against viral hepatitis B with recombinant vaccines. 4 cases]. Presse Med. 1997 Feb 1;26(2):62-5. French.

    McKibbin M, et al. Bilateral optic neuritis after hepatitis A. J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry. 1995 Apr;58(4):508.

    Voigt U, Baum U, Behrendt W, Hegemann S, Terborg C, Strobel J. [Neuritis of the optic nerve after vaccinations against hepatitis A, hepatitis B and yellow fever] Klin Monatsbl Augenheilkd. 2001 Oct;218(10):688-90. German.

    The Hepatitis B Vaccine and Hearing Loss:

    Orlando MP, Masieri S, Pascarella MA, Ciofalo A. Filiaci F, et al, “Sudden hearing loss Consequent to Hepatitis B Vaccination: a case report.” Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences. 1997 Dec 29, 830: 319-321

    Biacabe B, Erminy M, Bonfils P, et al, “A Case of Fluctuant Sensorineural Hearing Loss consequent to Hepatitis B Vaccination: a case report.” Auris Nasus Larynx. 1997 Oct; 24(4): 357-360.

    The Hepatitis B Vaccine and Assorted Ailments:

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    Fried M. Conen D. Conzelmann M. Steinemann E. Uveitis after hepatitis B vaccination. Lancet, 1987 Sep 12;2(8559:631-2.

    Shaw FE Jr. Graham DJ. Guess HA, et al. Postmarketing surveillance for neurologic adverse events reported after hepatitis B vaccination. Experience of the first three years. Am J Epidemiol 1988 Feb;127(s):337-52.

    Biron P. Montpetit P. Infante-Rivard C. Lery L. Myasthenia gravis after general anesthesia and hepatitis B vaccine. Arch Intern Med. 1988 Dec;148(12):2685.

    Goolsby PL. Erythema nodosum after Recombivax HB hepatitis B vaccine. N Engl J Med 1989 Oct;321:1198-9.

    Anonymous, hepatitis B vaccines: reported reactions. World Health Organization Adverse Drug Reaction Bulletin. August 1990.

    Cockwell P. Allen MB. Page R. Vasculitis related to hepatitis B vaccine. BMJ 1990 Dec 1;301(6763):1281.

    Tudela P. Marti S. Bonal J. Systemic lupus erthemoatosus and vaccination against hepatitis B. Nephron 1992 62(2):236.

    Ganry O. Lerailler F. Vercelleto M. Chiffoleau A. Larouse C. Peripheral facial paralysis following vaccination against hepatitis B. Apropos of a case. Therapie. 1992;47:437-438.

    Trevisani F. Gattinara GC. Caraceni P, et al. Transverse myelitis following hepatitis B vaccination. J Hepatol 1993 Sep;19(2):317-8.

    Mahassin F. Algayres JP. Valmary J, et al. Acute myelitis after vaccination against hepatitis B. Presse Med 1993 Dec 18;22(40):1997-8.

    Nadler JP. Multiple sclerosis and hepatitis B vaccination. Clin Infect Dis 1993 Nov:17(5):928-9.

    Brezin A. Lautier-Frau M. Hamedani M. Rogeaux O. Hoang PL. Visual loss and eosinophilia after recombinant hepatitis B vaccine. Lancet 1993 Aug 28;342(8870):563-4.

    Trevisian G. Stinco G. Lichen rubber planus following HBV vaccination. Acta Dermato-Venereologica 1993 Feb;73(1):73.

    Castresana-Isla CJ. Herrera-Martinez G. Vega-Molina J. Erythema nodosum and Takayasu’s arteritis after immunization with plasma derived hepatitis B vaccine. J Rheumatol 1993 Aug;20(8):1417-8.

    Allen MB. Cockwell P. Page RL. Pulmonary and cutaneous vasculitis following hepatitis B vaccination. Thorax 1993 May;48(5):580-1.

    Deisenhammer F. Pohl P. Bosch S. Schmidauer C. Acute cerebellar ataxia after immunisation with recombinant hepatitis B vaccine. Acta Neurol Scand 1994 Jun;89(6):462-3.

    Vautier G. Carty JE. Acute sero-positive rheumatoid arthritis occurring after hepatitis vaccination. Br J Rheumatol 1994 Oct;33(10):991.

    Hassan W. Oldham R. Reiter’s syndrome and reactive arthritis in health care workers after vaccination. BMJ 1994 Jul 9;309(6967):94.

    Aubin F. Angonin R. Humbert P. Agache P. Lichen planus following hepatitis B vaccination. Archives of Dermatology. 1994 Oct;130(10):1329-30.

    Birley HD. Arya OP. Hepatitis B immunisation and reactive arthritis. BMJ 1994 Dec;309(6967):1514.

    Poullin P. Gabriel B. Thrombocytopenic purpura after recombinant hepatitis B vaccine. Lancet 1994 Nov;344(8932):1293.

    Di Lernia V. Lo Scocco G. Bisighini G. Erythema multiforme following hepatitis B vaccine. Ped Derma 1994 Dec;11(4):363-4.

    Fraser PA. Wilson JD. Reiter’s syndrome attributed to hepatitis B immunisation. BMJ 1994 Dec;309(6967):1513.

    Lilic D. Ghosh SK. Liver dysfunction and DNA antibodies after hepatitis B vaccination. Lancet 1994 Nov;344(8932):1292-3.

    Brezin AP. Massin-Korobelnik P. Boudin B., et al. Acute posterior multifocal placoid pigment epitheliopathy after hepatitis B vaccine. Arch Ophthal 1995 Mar;113(3):297-300.

    Gross K. Combe C. Kruger K. Schattenkkirchner M. Arthritis after hepatitis B vaccination. Report of three cases. Scand J Rheumatol. 1995;24(1):50-2.

    Kaplanski G. Retornaz F. Durand J. Soubeyrand J. Central nervous system demyelination after vaccination against hepatitis B and HLA haplotype. J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 1995 Jun;58(6):758-9.

    Tartaglino LM. Heiman-Patterson T. Friedman DP. Flanders AE. MR imaging in a case of postvaccination myelitis. AJNR Am J Neuroadiol 1995;16(3):581-2.

    Macario F. Freitas L. Correira J., et al. Nephrotic syndrome after recombinant hepatitis B vaccine. Clin Nephrol 1995 May;43(5):349.

    Germanaud J. Causse X. Trinh DH., et al. A case of severe cytolysis after hepatitis B vaccination. Amer J Med 1995 Jun;98(6):595-6.

    Meyboom RH. Fucik H. Edwards IR. Thrombocytopenia reported in association with hepatitis B and A vaccines. Lancet 1995 Jun;345(8965):1638.

    Aherne P. Collins M. Psoriatic arthropathy. Irish Medical Journal 1995 Mar-Apr;88(2):72.

    Guiserix J. Systemic lupus erythematosus following hepatitis B vaccine. Nephron 1996;74(2):441.

    Bonfils P. Biacabe B. Potard G. Aidan D. Fluctuant perception hearing loss after hepatitis B vaccine. Ann Otolaryngol Chir Cervicofac 1996;113(6):359-61.

    Baglivo E. Safran AB. Borruat FX. Multiple evanescent white dot syndrome after hepatitis B vaccine. Am J Ophthalmol 1996 Sep;122(3):431-2.

    Grezard P. Chefai M. Philipott V. Perrot H. Faisant M. Cutaneous lupus erythematosus and buccal aphthosis after hepatitis B vaccination in a 6-year old child. Ann Dermatol Venereol. 1996;123(10):657-9.

    Classen JB. The diabetes epidemic and the hepatitis B vaccines. New Zealand Med J. 1996 Sep;109(1030):366.

    Classen JB. Childhood immunisation and diabetes mellitus. New Zealand Med J 1996 May;109(1022):195.

    Manna R. De Santis A. Oliviero A., et al. Leukoencephalitis after recombinant hepatitis B vaccine. J Hepatol. 1996 June;24(6):764-5.

    Devin F. Roques G. Disdier P., et al. Occlusion of central retinal vein after hepatitis B vaccination. Lancet 1996 Jun;347(9015):1626.

    Cohen AD. Shoenfeld Y. Vaccine-induced autoimmunity. J Autoimmunity 1996 Dec;9(6):699-703.

    Mathieu E. Fain O. Krivitzky A. Cryoglobulinemia after hepatitis B vaccination. New England J Med 1996 Aug;335(5):335.

    Dauod MS. Dicken CH. Anetoderma after hepatitis B immunization in two siblings. J Amer Acad Dermo 1997 May;36(5 Pt 1): 779-80.

    Harrison BJ. Thomson W. Pepper L, et al. Patients who develop inflammatory polyarthritis (IP) after immunization are clinically indistinguishable from other patients with IP. Br J Rheumatol 1997 Mar;36(3):366-9.

    Wise RP. Kiminyo KP. Salive ME. Hair loss after routine immunizations. JAMA 1997 Oct 8;278(14):1176-8.

    Song HK. Kim HC. Yun YH. Acute Myelitis after hepatitis B vaccination. J Korean Med Sci 1997 Jun;12(3):249-51.

    Granel B. Disdier P. Devin F, et al. Occlusion of the central retinal vein after vaccination against viral hepatitis B with recombinant vaccines. 4 cases. Presse Med 1997 Feb 1;26(2):62-5.

    Saywell CA. Wittal RA. Kossard S. Lichenoid reaction to hepatitis B vaccination. Australasian J Derm 1997 Aug;38(3):152-4.

    Biacabe B. Erminy M. Bonfils P. A case report of fluctuant sensorineural hearing loss after hepatitis B vaccination. Auris, Nasus, Larynx 1997 Oct;24(4):357-60.

    Arya SC. Ophthalmic complications of vaccines against hepatitis B virus. Int Ophth 1997;21(3):177-8.

    Bracci M. Zopinni A. Polyarthritis associated with hepatitis B vaccination. British J Rheumatol 1997 Feb;36(2):300-1.

    Maillefert JF. Farge P. Gazet-Maillefert MP. Tavernier C. Mental nerve neuropathy as a result of hepatitis B vaccination. Oral Surg Oral Med Orla Path Oral Radio & Endo 1997 Jun;83(6):663-4.

    Ranieri VM. Dell’Erba A. Gentile A., et al. Liver inflammation and acute respiratory distress syndrome in a patient receiving hepatitis B vaccine: a possible relationship?. Intensive Care Medicine 1997 Jan;23(1):119-21.

    Kakar A. Sethi PK. Guillain Barre syndrome associated with hepatitis B vaccination. Indian J Ped 1997 Sept-Oct;64(5):710-2.

    Orlando MP. Masieri S. Pascarella MA., et al. Sudden hearing loss in childhood consequent to hepatitis B vaccination: a case report. Annals of New York Academy of Sciences 1997 Dec;830:319-21.

    Pope JE. Stevens A. Howson W. Bell DA. The development of rheumatoid arthritis after recombinant hepatitis B vaccination. J Rheumatol 1998 Sep;25(9):1687-93.

    Neau D. Bonnet F. Michaud M, et al. Immune thrombocytopenic purpura after recombinant hepatitis B vaccine: retrospective study of seven case. Scan J. Infect Dis 1998;30(2):115-8.

    Ronchi F. Cecchi P. Falcioni F, et al. Thrombocytopenic purpura as adverse reaction to recombinant hepatitis B vaccine. Arch Dis Child 1998 Mar;78(3):273-4.

    Grasland A. Le Maitre F. Pouchot J, et al. Adult-onset Still’s disease after hepatitis A and B vaccination? Rev Med Interne 1998 Feb;19(2):134-6.

    Finielz P. Lam-Kam-San LF. Guiserix J. Systemic lupus erythematosus and thrombocytopenic purpura in two members of the same family following hepatitis B vaccine. Nephrol Dial Transplant 1998;13(9):2420-1.

    Le Hello C. Cohen P. Bousser MG. Letellier P. Guillevin L: Suspected hepatitis B vaccination related vasculitis. J Rheumatol, 1999 Jan;26(1):191-4.

    Renard JL. Guillamo JS. Ramirez JM, et al. Acute transverse cervical myelitis following hepatitis B vaccination. Evolution of anti-HBs antibodies. Presse Med 1999 Jul 3-10;28(24):1290-2.

    Tourbah A. Gout O. Liblau R. Lyon-Caen O, et al. Encephalitis after hepatitis B vaccination: recurrent disseminated encephalitis or MS? Neurology 1999 Jul 22;53(2):396-401.

    De Keyser F. Naeyaert JM. Hindryckx P, et al. Immune-mediated pathology following hepatitis B vaccination. Two cases of polyarteritis nodosa and one case of pityriasis rosea-like drug eruption. Clin Exp Rheumatol 2000 Jan-Feb;18(1):81-5.

    Konstantinou D. Paschalis C. Maraziotis T, et al. Two episodes of leukoencephalites associated with recombinant hepatitis B vaccination in a single patient. Clin Inf Dis 2001 Nov 15;33:1772-3.

    Creange A. Temam G. Lefaucher JP. Lumbosacral acute demyelinating polyneuropathy following hepatitis B vaccination. Autoimmunity 1999;30:143-6.

    Usman A. Kimyai-Asadi A. Stiller MJ. Alam M. Lichenoid eruption following hepatitis B vaccination: first North American case report. Pediatr Dermatol. 2001 Mar-Apr;18(2):123-6.

    Conesa V. Nunez MF. Navarro JF. Mompel A. Ruiz J. Gomez A. Thrombocytopenic Purpura after Recombinant Hepatitis B Vaccine. A rare association. Haematologica. 2001 Mar;86(3):E09

    Zaas A. Scheel P. Venbrux A. Helmann DB. Large artery vasculitis following recombinant hepatitis B vaccination. 2 cases. J Rheumatol. 2001 May;28(5):1116-20.

    Al-Khenaizan S. Lichen planus occurring after hepatitis B vaccination: a new case. J Am Acad Dermatol. 2001 Oct;45(4):614-5.

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  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    “asinine, moron, crap, you stupid azz, ignoramus, have fun with shingles, stupid…” – in only 14 lines!

    In what college did you acquire this fine language? Please provide its name and and the degree that this college had misfortune to award you (if any)? Professor of dirty talk?

  • notation

    cdc . gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/fs-parents.html

  • notation

    No it doesn’t. And the word is “disease.”

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    I had the measles, mumps and rubella and the chicken pox as a child. Oh my God, I lived through it. As an adult working in the health care field I was forced to get tested for the antibodies. They claimed I didn’t have them, so to keep my job I was forced to get an MMR shot. A short time later I got the measles and then proceeded to have a severe reaction to the shot in which all the joints on my right side (shot side ) became inflamed, swollen and horribly painful. I spent 6 weeks on steroids and 6 months with very painful joints so, notation and diversity, stop trying to tell those of us who have been there and done that, that there aren’t complications from the shots and that you can’t get the disease from the shot. It just shows that you don’t have a clue what you are talking about and simply blowing smoke. When you look at what each one of those chemicals are and what they can do in the body and then you take each individual’s own unique chemistry there is no way of knowing what the reaction is going to be in each and every individual. They can’t even test those vaccines on human babies because who would be stupid enough to say “here is my newborn baby, shoot her full of chemicals that we don’t know are safe”, so we can see if vaccines are safe.” So, they are testing on monkey babies who were perfectly fine, until they got the vaccines and then they started showing signs of autism. Ironic isn’t it, that they can’t do safety testing on human babies but they are sanctioned to inject them later, without it. And did you know, teething produces histamines which opens the blood brain barrier. Vaccinating during teething gives neurotoxins direct access to a baby’s brain.

    Safety and effectiveness of measles vaccine in infants below the age of 6 months have not been established (see also CLINICAL
    PHARMACOLOGY).
    Safety and effectiveness of mumps and rubella vaccine in infants less than 12 months of age have not been established.

    Encephalitis; encephalopathy;
    measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE)
    (see CONTRAINDICATIONS); subacute
    sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE);
    Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS);
    febrile convulsions; afebrile
    convulsions or seizures; ataxia;
    polyneuritis; polyneuropathy; ocular
    palsies; paresthesia.
    Taken right from the vaccine company literature.

    So safety and effectiveness have not been tested in infants less than 12 months. So let me see if I understand this correctly. At 11.5 months of age they don’t know if they are safe because they haven’t been tested but miraculously at 12 months, when they are given, they are deemed safe without any testing. Does anyone with any brains see anything wrong with that?

    This is regarding “Painful questions of blame; Parents, doctors and the
    disputed link between vaccines and autism” (Perspective, June 25), by Meg
    McSherry Breslin, a Tribune staff reporter.

    David Ayoub, MD: I am glad you have decided to take on this controversial topic, but I want to clarify some of the comments the reporter made, particularly about my own involvement, which I think are misleading, particularly regarding my own work.

    First, I am no longer “trying to dig up evidence to prove”
    vaccines cause autism.

    There is already abundant evidence, the same conclusion made by a 2003 U.S.
    Congressional Committee.

    This debate is not scientific but is political. I am trying to encourage
    physicians who have been badly misled by nothing less than spin and propaganda to review the extensive scientific evidence for themselves showing the vaccine-autism link, even though “experts” disagree. I am also
    lobbying to get mercury removed from vaccines.

    The statement indicating “mercury has been phased out of most childhood
    vaccines” is a gross distortion of the truth. The flu vaccine contains
    mercury and the number of flu shots given to children has increased
    dramatically since 2004. David Ayoub, MD

    It is really sad that just as with most whistle blowers, the doctors and scientists, researchers and microbiologists who actually have some honesty and integrity and who come out against big pharma with their billion dollar budgets, are quickly discredited in some way. Their jobs and their credibility, everything that they have worked for and been educated to do is threatened and yet, even with that, they come forward because they know they can’t keep quiet and live with themselves. Those people have more to lose than to gain but they still come forward. All your really have to do is follow the money. Anti-vaxers have nothing to gain except choosing to do what they believe is right for their own family. Most of the anti-vaxers I have seen advocate for doing your own research and expecting big pharma to be honest (HA HA) about the dangers and side effects.

    Notation, you remind me of the doctors who tried to bully me into having chemo and radiation in 2009 because if I didn’t, they would be coming to my funeral within a year. Well, guess what, I didn’t do chemo or radiation and I am still alive, cancer free and healthier than ever. I hope you don’t bully your spouse and children with your abusive language whenever they don’t give you your own way, but you probably do. Those who can’t play fair, have to abuse and bully. Too bad so sad. There is an abundance of research out there that has been done by credible people against vaccines but you will only find it if you are willing to be open to it which you aren’t and that is ok, as long as you don’t try to force your poison therapy on me or my kids, I don’t care what you do to you and yours.

    Notation and diversity, this is the last time I will respond to your
    abusive tactics because I prefer to spend my time researching as opposed
    to answering those who clearly don’t, and in fact, I will not even be
    reading your response so you can keep your childish name calling and
    bullying to yourselves. However, if you would like a list of very credible reference books about the hazards of vaccines just let me know and I will be glad to provide you with it.

  • notation

    What’s the matter? Why shouldn’t I call the spade a spade? You can’t spell the word “disease” but you think you know all about vaccines. You can’t cite anything but the articles of quacks, but you doubt every word printed by the CDC, Harvard, Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

    You people are not playing with a full deck.

  • notation

    Oh, please, don’t throw me in the briar patch!

    Herd immunity exists. Your data does not show what you think it does.

    Again, you aren’t a scientist.

  • Roxanne

    Classic troll, indeed, and not even a very sophisticated one at that!

  • notation

    See ya. Don’t let the door hit you.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Go to naturalnews .com. They have the article about 2 scientists who worked for Merck and revealed how Merck falsifies the studies of their own vaccines. A lot of other eye opening information, for example that Merck never did any studies how Gardasil will affect reproductive system (it destroys ovaries, so in June 2013 Japan stopped Gardasil/Cervarix immunizations, citing very high level of side effects, including infertility).

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    She is quick to insult. With documentation she has got a problem.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Thank you Claudia for sharing. You are a perfect testament for these two yahoos but you must know neither one cares what you or anyone has to say. They are self righteous, self processed experts on a subject they know little about.

  • Roxanne

    Jim Bob, it stands to reason that if any therapy or procedure
    is undertaken or mandated, that the onus is on those demanding that the patient subject him/herself to such, demonstrate safety of the procedure in question. Since vaccine trials routinely do not use inert placebos therefore making the results scientifically unreliable, nor test for carcinogenic etc. potential, the basis for saying vaccines are safe is mute. Furthermore, I have offered studies if you check higher in this thread of examples of vaccines being implicated in serious conditions. There’s no hypocrisy on my part just defensiveness on yours re. pseudo scientific vaccine safety trials.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    And how old are you? 10?

  • notation

    I’ve BEEN on “naturalness.” It’s full of lies and misinformation. It is NOT a source of proof. It is not a source of evidence. If you don’t have any, it’s not a surprise. You believe what natural news puts out because it’s what you WANT to believe, not because there’s any basis in fact for what they dish out.

  • notation

    sciencebasedmedicine . org/vaccines-didnt-save-us-intellectual-dishonesty-at-its-most-naked/

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    We do not know all about vaccines, we also do not know all about vaccine studies falsifications, and vaccine dangers: this information suppressed because revolving door exist between pharma industry and government institutions. You have to make some effort to find honest information.

    I cited naturalnews.com. They have many articles, but definitely, the information they bring is only tip of the iceberg. So please tell me in what college you aquired your discussion style:
    “asinine, moron, crap, you stupid azz, ignoramus, have fun with shingles, stupid…” – in only 14 lines!

    You boast about your high scientific credentials, but are avoiding the answer.

  • notation

    This is from the CDC’s website: Finally, we can look at the experiences of several developed countries after they let their immunization levels drop. Three countries – Great Britain, Sweden, and Japan – cut back the use of pertussis vaccine because of fear about the vaccine. The effect was dramatic and immediate. In Great Britain, a drop in pertussis vaccination in 1974 was followed by an epidemic of more than 100,000 cases of pertussis and 36 deaths by 1978. In Japan, around the same time, a drop in vaccination rates from 70% to 20%-40% led to a jump in pertussis from 393 cases and no deaths in 1974 to 13,000 cases and 41 deaths in 1979. In Sweden, the annual incidence rate of pertussis per 100,000 children 0-6 years of age increased from 700 cases in 1981 to 3,200 in 1985. It seems clear from these experiences that not only would diseases not be disappearing without vaccines, but if we were to stop vaccinating, they would come back.

  • notation

    Did you read what Jeff linked?

  • notation

    What ‘answer’? Do you think I’m going to tell you any personal information? Suffice it to say that I understand the science behind vaccines. You are citing a publication that is full of lies and misinformation and doubting anything the CDC says. Unless you think it proves what YOU want to believe, as in Jeff’s case.

  • Roxanne

    Thanks for sharing this, Shelley. Great info re. the tactics these prostitutes for big pharma and their front groups employ. Did you read much further down what Elnura wrote about these pathetic characters? There’s some good info there, too.
    BTW, do you have a link/info for the work you’ve been achieving with
    special needs children. Good for you for working to help these children
    for three decades.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    So where you, “scientist”, got your degree, and what kind of a degree. I am still waiting for the direct answer. You are online now, please, answer.

  • Roxanne

    No need to send the link as asked for below. I see you posted it in another
    comment.

  • Shelley Tzorfas

    Hi Roxanne. Thanks for your response. Here is a link to some of my workshttp://www.amazon.com/Recovering-Autism-ADHD-Special-Needs/dp/0988853108/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y

  • Roxanne

    Valuable comment, Claudia. Thanks for sharing this. God knows, I’ve come to know of far too many vaccine casualties, like your case which are invariably dismissed and denied by blind vaccine apologists. Re. those two who don’t merit being named, I think they’ve had all common sense and
    decency inoculated out of them.

  • Roxanne

    Re. Naturally acquired herd immunity versus vaccine “herd immunity”
    “In the original description of herd immunity, the protection to the population at large occurred only if people contracted the infections naturally. The reason for this is that naturally-acquired immunity lasts for a lifetime. The vaccine proponents quickly latched onto this concept and applied it to vaccine-induced immunity. But, there was one major problem – vaccine-induced immunity lasted for only a relatively short period, from 2 to 10 years at most, and then this applies only to humoral immunity. This is why they began, silently, to suggest boosters for most vaccines, even the common childhood infections such as chickenpox, measles, mumps, and rubella.
    Then they discovered an even greater problem, the boosters were lasting for only 2 years or less. This is why we are now seeing mandates that youth entering colleges have multiple vaccines, even those which they insisted gave lifelong immunity, such as the MMR. The same is being suggested for full-grown adults. Ironically, no one in the media or medical field is asking what is going on. They just accept that it must be done.
    That vaccine-induced herd immunity is mostly myth can be proven quite simply. When I was in medical school, we were taught that all of the childhood vaccines lasted a lifetime. This thinking existed for over 70 years. It was not until relatively recently that it was discovered that most of these vaccines lost their effectiveness 2 to 10 years after being given. What this means is that at least half the population, that is the baby boomers, have had no vaccine-induced immunity against any of these diseases for which they had been vaccinated very early in life. In essence, at least 50% or more of the population was unprotected for decades.
    If we listen to present-day wisdom, we are all at risk of resurgent massive epidemics should the vaccination rate fall below 95%. Yet, we have all lived for at least 30 to 40 years with 50% or less of the population having vaccine protection. That is, herd immunity has not existed in this country for many decades and no resurgent epidemics have occurred. Vaccine-induced herd immunity is a lie used to frighten doctors, public-health officials, other medical personnel, and the public into accepting vaccinations.” Dr. Russell Blaylock, Neurologist

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    “asinine, moron, crap, you stupid azz, ignoramus, have fun with shingles, stupid…” – in only 14 lines!

    Well, I understand, that it is better not to embarrass university that produced “scientist” with such a vocabulary and this wonderful level of intelligence. But at least tell a degree (if any), since you actively boasted about it, accusing us all of not having one. So…

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    So, “scientist”, what is your degree?

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    I know you are not a milady, and not a lady. “Lilady” is a name of known vaccine industry shill. Your vocabulary and style are almost identical to hers. Also, the same boasting about degree. But no answer, what is your degree?

  • Roxanne

    The Measles (and MMR) Vaccine and Neurological Disorders:
    (Including Central Nervous System Damage, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis [brain disease], and Guillain-Barre’ syndrome [paralysis]):

    Schneck, S.A. “Vaccination with measles and central nervous system disease.” Neurology 1968; 18 (Part 2):79-82.

    Jabbour, J.T., et al. “Epidemiology of subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE).” Journal of the American Medical Association 1972; 220:959-62.

    Belgamwar, R.B., et al. “Measles, mumps, rubella vaccine induced subacute sclerosing panencephalitis.” Journal of the Indian Medical Association 1997; 95(11):594.

    Landrigan, P.J., et al. “Neurological disorders following live measles-virus vaccination.” Journal of the American Medical Association 1973; 223 (13):1459-62.

    Miller, C.L. Lancet (September 17, 1983).

    Beale, A.J. “Measles vaccines.” Proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine 1974; 67:1116-1119.

    Roden, A.T. “Fits following immunization.” Proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine 1974; 67:24.

    Jagdis, F., et al. “Encephalitis after administration of live measles vaccine.” Journal of the Canadian Medical Association (April 19, 1975); 112(8):972-75.

    Hirayama, M. “Measles vaccines used in Japan.” Reviews of Infectious Diseases 1983; 5:495-503.

    Pollock, T.M., et al. “A 7-year survey of disorders attributed to vaccination in Northwest Thames Region.” Lancet 1983; 1:753-57.

    Jorch, G. et al. “Coincidence of virus encephalitis and measles-mumps vaccination.” Monatsschr Kinderheilkd 1984; 132(5):299-300.

    Martinon-Torres, F., et al. “Self-limited acute encephalopathy related to measles component of viral triple vaccine.” Rev Neurol (May 1-15, 1999); 28(9):881-82.

    Grose, C., et al. “Guillain-Barre syndrome following administration of live measles vaccine.” American Journal of Medicine 1976; 60:441-43.

    Norrby, R. “Polyradiculitis in connection with vaccination against morbilli, parotitis and rubella.” Lakartidningen 1984; 81:1636-37.

    Morris, K., et al. “Guillain-Barre syndrome after measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine.” Lancet 1994; 343:60.

  • Roxanne

    As I noted to Claudia, they seem to have had all common sense
    and decency inoculated out of them!

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Ever heard about oncoviruses? that at least 10% of cancers are caused by them? that viruses insert their DNA into host DNA? If they insert in coding region, it is harmful mutation? That many vaccine ingredients are carcinogens/teratogens? Mercury, formaldehyde?

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    She boasts she has some kind of a degree, and calls everyone else “asinine, moron, crap, you stupid azz, ignoramus, have fun with shingles, stupid…”, but every time I try to get from her what degree she has… it takes time for her to imagine… Some… Degree.. She was very proud to find one misspelled word in my post.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Do not pay attention to her. I am almost sure, that this is the troll, who is posting on other sites about vaccines under the name “lilady”. She is associated with infamous vaccine industry lawyer Dorit Reiss, and is known for using exactly this unsulting vocabulary, and boasting about her “degree”. she is on a vaccine industry payroll. There is possibility, though, that another troll was given the same assignment

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    The naturalnews,com gives links to real studies, conducted by independent researches. I recommend everyone on this forum look at this website and do a search on “vaccines”. or particular vaccine, for example, Gardasil. The site has wealth of information, but is not always easy to navigate (the creator is computer scientist and health advocate, Mike Adams) Vaccine industry really hates this site and I was amazed that any reference to it is immediately erased by moderators on provaccine forums.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    That’s really great, but posting a weblink as a response means very little. Basically, it could be taken as an indication you haven’t read the data.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Excellent, Roxanne!. Thank you for all this information

  • Roxanne

    The Measles Vaccine and “Atypical” Measles:

    Cherry, J.D. “The ‘new’ epidemiology of measles and rubella.” Hospital Practice (July 1980), pp. 53-54.

    Fulginiti, V.A., et al. “Altered reactivity to measles virus; atypical measles in children previously immunized with inactivated measles virus vaccines.” Journal of the American Medical Association 1967; 202:1075.

    Martin, D.B., et al. “Atypical measles in adolescents and young adults.” Annals of Internal Medicine 1979; 90:877.

    Gold, E. “Current progress in measles eradication in the United States.” Infect Med 1997; 14(4):297-300, 310.

    Nichols, E.M. “Atypical measles: a continuing problem.” American Journal of Public Health 1979; 69(2):160-62.

    Scott, T.F., et al. “Reactions to live-measles-virus vaccine in children previously inoculated with killed-virus vaccine.” New England Journal of Medicine 1967; 277(5):248-251.

    Cherry, J.D., et al. “Atypical measles in children previously immunized with attenuated measles virus vaccines.” Pediatrics 1972; 50(5).

    St. Geme, J.W., et al. “Exaggerated natural measles following attenuated virus immunization.” Pediatrics 1976; 57:148-150.

    “Atypical measles syndrome.” Lancet 1979, pp. 962-963.

    The Measles (and MMR) Vaccine and Bowel Disease:

    Thompson, N.P., Wakefield, A.J, et al. “Is measles vaccination a risk factor for inflammatory bowel disease?” Lancet 1995; 345:1071-1074.

    Barton, J.R., et al. “Incidence of inflammatory bowel disease in Scottish children between 1968 and 1983: marginal fall in ulcerative colitis; three-fold rise in Crohn’s disease.” Gut 1989; 30:618-622.

    Whelan, G. “Epidemiology of inflammatory bowel disease.” Med Clin N Am 1990; 74:1-12.

    Ekbom, A., et al. “The role of perinatal measles infection in the aetiology of Crohn’s disease: a population-based epidemiological study.” Lancet 1994; 334:508-510.

    Miyamoto, H., et al. “Detection of immunoreactive antigen with monoclonal antibody to measles virus in tissue from patients with Crohn’s disease.” Journal of Gastroenterology 1995; 30:28-33.

    Wakefield, A.J., et al. “Evidence of persistent measles virus infection in Crohn’s disease.” Journal of Medical Virology 1993; 39:345-53.

    Wakefield, A.J., et al. “Crohn’s disease: pathogenesis and persistent measles virus infection.” Gastroenterology 1995; 108:911-916.

    Lewin, J., et al. “Confirmation of persistent measles virus infection of intestinal tissue by immunogold electron microscopy.” Gut 1995; 36:564-69.

    The Measles (and MMR) Vaccine and Severe Allergic Reactions:

    Aukrust, L., et al. “Severe hypersensitivity or intolerance reactions to measles vaccine in six children: clinical and immunological studies.” Allergy 1980; 35(7):581-87.

    McEwen, J. “Early-onset reaction after measles vaccination: further Australian reports.” Medical Journal of Australia 1983; 2:503-505.

    Koch, J., et al. “Adverse events temporally associated with immunizing agents�1987 report.” Canada Diseases Weekly Report 1989; 15:151-58.

    Kelso, J.M., et al. “Anaphylaxis to measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine mediated by IgE to gelatin.” J Allergy Clin Immunol 1993; 91:867-72.

    Sakaguchi, M., et al. “IgE antibody to gelatin in children with immediate-type reactions to measles and mumps vaccines.” J Allergy Clin Immunol 1995; 96:563-65.

  • Roxanne

    You’re welcome. I’ve added some more in the comments above.

  • Roxanne

    The Measles (and MMR) Vaccine and Serious Blood Disorders:

    Oski, F.A. and Naiman, J.L. “Effect of live measles vaccine on the platelet count.” New England Journal of Medicine 1966; 265:352-56.

    Bottiger, M., et al. “Swedish experience of two dose vaccination programme aiming at eliminating measles, mumps, and rubella.” British Medical Journal 1987; 295:1264-67.

    Koch, J. et al. “Adverse events temporally associated with immunizing agents�1987 report.” Canada Diseases Weekly Report 1989; 15:151-58.

    Fescharek, R., et al. “Measles-mumps vaccination in the FRG: an empirical analysis after 14 years of use. II. Tolerability and analysis of spontaneously reported side effects.” Vaccine 1990; 8:446-56.

    Nieminen, U., et al. “Acute thrombocytopenic purpura following measles, mumps and rubella vaccination: A report on 23 patients.” Acta Paediatrica 1993; 82:267-70.

    146. Farrington, P., et al. “A new method for active surveillance of adverse events from diphtheria/tetanus/pertussis and measles/mumps/rubella vaccines.” Lancet 1995; 345: 567-69.

    Jonville-Bera, A.P., et al. “Thrombocytopenic purpura after measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination: a retrospective survey by the French Regional Pharmacovigilance Centres and Pasteur-Merieux Serums et Vaccins.” Pediatr Infect Dis J 1996; 15:44-48.

    Beeler, J. et al. “Thrombocytopenia after immunization with measles vaccines: review of the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting Systerm (1990-1994).” Pediatr Infect Dis J 1996; 15:88-90.

    The Measles (and MMR) Vaccine and Sensory Impairments
    (Including Eye Disorders and Hearing Loss):

    Kazarian, E.L., et al. “Optic neuritis complicating measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination.” American Journal of Ophthalmology 1978; 86:544-47.

    Marshall, G.S., et al. “Diffuse retinopathy following measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination.” Pediatrics 1985; 76:989-991.

    Brodsky, L., et al. “Sensorineural hearing loss following live measles virus vaccination.” International Journal of Pediatric Otorhinolaryngology 1985; 10:159-63.

    Nabe-Nielsen, J., et al. “Unilateral deafness as a complication of the mumps, measles, and rubella vaccination.” British Medical Journal 1988; 297:489.

    Hulbert, T.V., et al. “Bilateral hearing loss after measles and rubella vaccination in an adult.” New England Journal of Medicine 1991; 325:134.

    Stewart, B.J.A., et al. “Reports of sensorineural deafness after measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation.” Archives of Diseases of Childhood 1993; 69:153-54.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    We know that you learned how to use spell check.
    It is may be tenth time that I ask you to tell us what degree do you have, since you are boasting all the time of having one. We already agreed with you that since you are the embarrassment to every institution who could accept such a low class, I am not asking about university. Are you waiting for your employers to tell you what “degree” you have?
    You are most probably, “lilady” who trolls for infamous and unscrupulous vaccine industry lawyer Dorit Reiss – language almost identical.
    Now everyone knows your position: you (your employers, to be more accurate) hate those who show what vaccines are about. You are on every forum insulting people who don’t want to be “a herd” with very dirty language. Now, after you filled half the space with insults, and fulfilled the assignment from employers to bring the level of discussion down, I politely asking you to leave.

  • diversity

    wake up calls?

  • diversity

    Onco viruses are Hepatitis, herpes, polyma in the human. Carcinogenic potential depends on the dose. the dose of formaldehyde is killing the pathogens doesnt affect the body

  • diversity

    this is actually wrong the numbers of polio could be reduced thanks to MR gates

  • diversity

    you “read” an article? with something showing no correlation? no scientific investigation? ah yeah ..

  • diversity

    vaccines are tested for every potential of harm

  • diversity

    a newborn CAN already fight pathogens. the viruses are dead, the immune cells need to detecct the protein coating on the outside. no toxic substances are in vaccines

  • Lou

    Oh please. Almost everyone here KNOWS this is pure MYTH.

    Sir you have blown your cover.

    http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/obamsawin/ImmunizationGraphs-RO2009.pdf

  • Free People

    I can help here– Nutation posted on another blog (Natural News), under another A$$umed name, that IT has “an advanced degree in Shilling from a major Shilliversity.”

    I recommended he/she/IT ask for a refund.

  • Lou

    Sir please turn in your PhD no matter what field it is in. If you cannot at least get the TERMINOLOGY correct how in heavens name are we to listen.

    Viruses are not dead because they are NEVER alive if that, when they exist in the “vaccine”..

    “Viruses exist in two distinct states. When not in contact with a host cell, the virus remains entirely dormant. During this time there are no internal biological activities occurring within the virus, and in essence the virus is no more than a static organic particle. In this simple, clearly non-living state viruses are referred to as ‘virions’. Virions can remain in this dormant state for extended periods of time,
    waiting patiently to come into contact with the appropriate host. When the virion comes into contact with the appropriate host, it becomes active and is then referred to as a virus. It now displays properties typified by living organisms, such as reacting to its environment and
    directing its efforts toward self-replication”.

    http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/yellowstone/viruslive.html

    When the Vaccine Industry tries to convince us their “vaccines” are not harmful they tell us any viruses found in their “vaccines” have been DEACTIVATED or some other none sense.

    The Vaccine Industry’s PROVEN inability to successfully “DEACTIVATE” the viruses in their “vaccines” has cost millions, perhaps much more, of us our health and lives.

    But thanks for using your purported AUTHORITY and showing us what a fraud it can be..

  • josh

    And “it” thinks no one has picked up on this. Lol

  • Lou

    “What are some of the myths – and facts – about vaccination?”

    Well documented HISTORY shows “vaccination” has ALWAYS, from day one, been a politically backed DEADLY FRAUD.

    “Vaccination programs in the late 19th and early 20th
    century decimated the populations of many countries where government sponsored vaccination programs were introduced. Japan suffered 48,000 deaths from smallpox vaccination; England and Wales experienced 45,800 smallpox deaths in a population that was 97% vaccinated
    against smallpox. Australia and Germany combined with a total of 120,000 deaths from the very smallpox for which they had been vaccinated. European deaths amongst the vaccinated portion of the population totaled 3,000,000. Deaths from smallpox vaccination programs began to
    decline when a revolt against mandatory vaccination programs emerged from the chaos. Within twenty years mandatory smallpox vaccination laws in England were repealed. In 1919 the death rate from smallpox promptly plummeted to a total of 28 deaths in a population of almost 40,000,000 people. Previously, with mandatory vaccinations they had averaged over 44,000 deaths from smallpox.” Vaccination History

    “A huge outcry amongst the public ensued Over 100 union parishes ripped up the local vaccination ordinances in 1872, and instead called in the Sanitary engineers, and started putting in sewage disposal plans, rubbish dispose, proper corpse disposal and jointed pipes to ensure uncontaminated water. Those were the measures officially adopted under the Public Health Act in 1875. the offical records states that those parishes were the ones that by and large escaped the 1878 smallpox epidemic.”

    In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a
    vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. The Hadwen Documents

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_history.htm

  • diversity

    “vaccines cant mutate because they are dead particles.” this is the right terminology.

    Your definition proves my point doesn’t it?

    Th viruses are inactive and this happens successfully i.a. with formaldehyde

    there is no fraud

  • Roxanne

    Good one… Yes, in troll-land, it’s so much easier to evade
    polite, civil discussion by insulting people and conveniently
    writing off websites who dare expose what Merck insiders
    themselves revealed, than attempt to do an ounce of homework critically investigating vaccines.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    You are welcome LeAnn. I came to the same conclusion.

  • elnura

    Measles is not the death sentence that the CDC/Vaccine Industry have terrorized people into believing. Check out the Measles Hoax of 2012 in Wales. Governemnt lied about the number of people who contracted measles, they would not disclose if the health dept. was vaccinating prior to the outbreak and NO ONE DIED.

    Measles was 99.4% abated prior to the Vaccine. Janinie Roberts interviewed Maurice Hilleman in her books: Fear of the Invisible and The Vaccine Papers where Hilleman stated the measles vaccine wasn’t necessary but since it was made it may as well be used. In Fear of the Invisible Roberts reveals in the Chapter: Trouble with MMR

    I then arranged for questions to be asked in the UK Parliament –
    hoping this way to get some facts. I asked how many cases of measles the health authorities believed their campaign had averted – and how many cases of illness suspected to result from these vaccinations had been reported by doctors to the government.

    I was amazed by the answer.

    The Government reported that the campaign had averted an estimated 170 cases of measles; that is, not dangerous cases requiring hospitalization, just cases of illness, Typically 170 measles cases would include just one or two so
    serious that they required hospitalization.

    But doctors had reported over 2,500 cases of illness as possibly side effects of this campaign, with over 500 of these so serious that the child had to be admitted to hospital! Since UK government research shows doctors typically only report one in ten cases of possible side effects, since most will presume vaccines to be harmless, these results meant that the MR vaccination campaign had resulted in up to 25,000
    cases of illness potentially caused by vaccination, with over 500 in hospital – as against an estimated 170 cases of measles avoided.

    I knew the real figures were likely to be much worse, for the
    government had excluded from these statistics all possible cases where the illness developed slowly and all cases of illness during pregnancy that might have been caused by the rubella vaccine.

    I wondered why so many side effects, so went to the manufacturer of the MMR vaccine to see if they had any explanation. They arranged for me to speak on the
    phone with their top expert in the US, Dr Maurice Hilleman, the internationally renowned specialist who developed the MMR vaccine.

    I said to him ‘I understand this vaccine is made up of living
    viruses that you have so weakened so they will not make the child ill, but not so weakened that they will not give the child immunity. It must be difficult to so exactly weaken viruses?’

    ‘Exactly, you have hit the nail on the head.’ he replied.

    I then queried, ‘Do you have any guidelines for doing this?’

    ‘Yes,’ he said, ‘Twenty percent.’

    I did not understand this very brief answer so asked him to explain.

    He replied: ‘If only 20% of the children fall ill from the vaccine, that is judged acceptable.’

    When I gasped with surprise, he quickly added, ‘Oh I don’t mean seriously ill. Just lightly ill.’

    I next interviewed the top British expert on immunization at London University, Professor Michael Stewart of
    the School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. I asked him; ‘Some parents are telling me they suspect their children have been made ill as a consequence of vaccination. Are their fears groundless?’

    I nearly fell off my chair when he replied: ‘What else would you
    expect? We all know the current childhood vaccines containing living viruses are dangerous. That is why I am heading up a team to develop safer vaccines.’ He went on to explain that, with living viruses, there was always potential for some to mutate or to be insufficiently attenuated for safe use in the vaccine.

    I then interviewed some of the parents who believed their child had been damaged by the MR vaccination campaign in the UK.

    Karen was the mother of a large family in Essex in eastern England. She was extremely proud of her 12-year-old son ‘Sam.’ Before this vaccination campaign he was ‘ridiculously healthy, He never had anything wrong with him, a part from some mild asthma, was doing well at school and loved football. He was an avid Spurs fan.’

    But, when she received notice of the November inoculation campaign, she wrote asking if it would be safe for him, given his asthma and that another child of hers was epileptic? She was told not to worry. But: ‘Four weeks later, coming down the stairs, his knees suddenly gave way and he tumbled down. He kept on falling.’

    She continued: ‘Sometimes, when I was talking to him, he would
    suddenly go blank. I accused him of being on drugs. Two months later we were in Great Ormond Street Children’s hospital where they tested him for every disease. Then one doctor said to me: “Has he been exposed to measles?” I said; “No, Sam has never had measles.” The doctor replied;
    “No, I meant, has he had a recent measles injection?” Then I clicked. All this had started after the vaccination.’

    According to the CDC’s National Vital Statics Report-latest May 2013, there have been 5 deaths from measles since 2000. Measles is a harmless illness in people who do not have a compromised immune system.

    The general public is unaware that vaccinated children started developing an especially vicious form of measles, due to the altered host immune response caused by the deleterious effect of the measles vaccines. It resisted all orthodox treatment and carried a high mortality rate. It has become known as atypical measles. (AMS) Studies were done in 1963 & 1967. This mutation occurred in the vaccinated and is characterized
    by high fever, unusual rash and pneumonia, often with history of vaccination with killed measles vaccine. Fulginiti (1967) also described the occurrence of atypical measles in ten
    children who had received inactivated (killed) measles virus vaccine five to six years previously.

    Dr Viera Scheibner cites several studies that clearly show that
    “outbreaks of measles in vaccinated children have continued and
    intensified to this day. Contemporary observations of the
    ineffectiveness of vaccination indicate to me that the incidence of
    measles has increased and has not continued decreasing as it did for some 100 years before any type of measles vaccination was introduced. http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/18/the-ineffectiveness-of-measles-vaccines-and-other-unintended-consequences-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

    Dr. Scheibner also states that soon after measles mass vaccination started, concerns about increased cholesterol levels and deranged ratio of high-density to low-density lipids in young children started filling pages in the medical press. (studies at same link)

    One of the more interesting studies she quotes is the benefits of contracting childhood diseases.

    When infectious diseases of childhood are not mismanaged by the administration of antibiotics, or by suppressing fever, the diseases prime and mature the immune system and also represent developmental milestones.

    Having measles not only results in life-long specific immunity to measles, but also in life-long non-specific immunity to degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, sebaceous skin diseases, immunoreactive diseases and certain tumors
    as demonstrated by Ronne (1985).

    Having mumps protects against ovarian cancer (West 1969).

    Engineered measles virus used in anti-cancer therapy.

    Carmona Mota (1973) described a remission of infantile Hodgkin’s disease after natural measles. They wrote, “A 23-months-old Caucasian male was seen for the first time in April 1970 with a large mass in the neck due to hypertrophy of
    the left cervical lymph nodes. Before radiotherapy could be started the child developed measles. Much to our surprise the large cervical mass vanished without further therapy.”

    Many others started researching and writing about the oncolytic
    (cancer-destroying) effect of measles virus.

    Msaouel et al. (2009) conducted clinical testing of engineered oncolytic measles virus strains in the treatment of cancer. Even though the virus they used was a vaccine-type virus, the research was done in vitro with a virus directly injected into the tumour. They wrote, “It is of note that a number of viral strains, including certain derivatives of the attenuated live measles virus Edmonston (MV-Edm) vaccine strain, demonstrate a propensity to
    preferentially infect, propagate in, and destroy cancerous tissue.

    Morfin F, Beguin A, Lina B, Thouvenot D. Laboratory of Virology,
    Hospices Civils de Lyon, Domaine Rockefeller, 8 avenue Rockefeller,
    69373 Lyon Cedex 08, France. Detection of measles vaccine in the throat of a vaccinated child. Vaccine. 2002 Feb 22;20(11-12):1541-3.

    Measles vaccine is widely used, most often in association with mumps and rubella vaccines. We report here the case of a child presenting with fever 8 days after vaccination with a measles-mumps-rubella vaccine. Measles virus was isolated in a throat swab taken 4 days after fever onset.
    This virus was then further genetically characterised as a vaccine-type virus. Fever occurring subsequent to measles vaccination is related to the replication of the live attenuated vaccine virus. In the case presented here, the vaccine virus was isolated in the throat, showing that subcutaneous injection of an attenuated measles strain can result in respiratory excretion of this virus.

    Measles virus is found in boy’s brain after MMR

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1409278/Measles-virus-is-found-in-boys-brain-after-MMR.html

    If you think about all the baby boomers who had few vaccines, most likely not the measles vaccine, yet there is no epidemic among them. Has the government done the children of the world harm by causing permanent damage to their immune system which would allow them to resist more devastating diseases later in life. Or with the rate of cancers and other diseases developing in children today, are they continuing to allow it to happen. If people are given all the data and information on this and other vaccines like they are suppose to be according to the Federal Law, I doubt that there would be a continuing debate on the lack of science and dangers of the archaic practice. The Pharmaceutical Industry has the people of the world as a customer cradle to grave.

    Measles death count- 3 million people in US: http://whale.to/v/measles7.html

    From CDC’s NVSR.

  • elnura

    This is an incredible resource. Thank you Jeffry.

  • Roxanne

    Another very informative contribution with valuable sources,
    and commentary. I must get Roberts’ book. Do you now have both of them? If so, would you suggest one over the other if one is only going to get one of them? Thanks…
    BTW, all the info you shared re. trolls was great… A lot of
    dead on troll tactics on this thread, huh… I’ll remember to
    keep your links/info to expose these weasels (no insult to weasels!) when I run across trolls on other sites.

  • Lou

    Sir I assume you CAN see.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_pertussis2.gif

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_measles2.gif

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_measleslog.jpg

    http://healthyprotocols.com/imag_mmr_Japan.jpg

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_sids.jpg

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_Measles_vaccination.gif

    How Myths are Arranged: Why was measles reporting stopped?

    As we see above the big drop in measles occurred BEFORE the “measles vaccine” was introduced so they stopped reporting the measles stats BEFORE any of it occurred. FRAUD folks premeditated FRAUD. This is how myth is often CREATED.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_measles.htm

  • Lou

    “Almost everyone who has not had MMR vaccine will get measles if they are exposed to the measles virus.”

    Which strain of the measles virus? One of the at least 73 strains created by your beloved Vaccine Industry or one of the three that existed before our wonderful “measles vaccines”?

    “This is the
    second independent study to back up Dr Wakefield. In 2001 John O’Leary,
    Professor of Pathology at St James’s Hospital and Trinity College, Dublin,
    replicated his findings. This new study confirms what we found in British
    children and again with Professor O’Leary. The only exposure these children have
    had to measles is through the MMR vaccine.
    ‘They were developing
    normally until they regressed. They now suffer autism and bowel disease.”

    The Great MMR Deadly Scam

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_measles.htm

  • elnura

    “Maurice R. Hilleman Ph.D., a leading expert on immunization, developed over 40 vaccines
    and published more than 480 original articles on virology, epidemiology, immunology, and infectious diseases.

    [Book extract. The Health Century] Dr. Bernice E. Eddy, whose lab tests found that the Cutter vaccine had been improperly inactivated. “I said, listen Albert, you and I are good friends. But I’m going to talk about a virus that’s in your vaccine now. You’re going to get rid of the virus.
    Don’t worry about it, you’re going to get rid of it. So of course Albert was very upset with me.” Hilleman told Sabin there was something special about this virus. “I don’t know how to tell you this, but I’ve been around vaccines for a long time. I just think this virus may have some long term effects.”

    Sabin said what?
    “I said cancer. I said Albert, you probably think I’m nuts, but I just have that feeling.”

    There are over 3,400 scientific articles with SV40 in the title and over 15,000 articles that mention or discuss SV40. This list, therefore, is far from comprehensive, but only provides an example of some articles by experts
    in the field.

    Carcinogen
    An increasing number of scientific reports have
    described evidence for a polyomavirus, simian virus 40, in a highly select group of human tumours. How did a simian virus infect humans and is the virus a passenger in tumours or is it important in their pathogenesis? This study states that SV40 should be considered a group
    2A carcinogen.

    – Gazdar AF, Butel JS, Carbone M., SV40 and human tumours: myth, association or causality? Nat Rev Cancer. 2002 Dec;2(12):957-64.

    SV40 and Children
    SV40 DNA was identified in samples from 4 of 20
    children (1 Wilms’ tumor, 3 transplanted kidney samples). Sequence variation among SV40 regulatory regions ruled out laboratory contamination of specimens. This study shows the presence of SV40 infections in pediatric patients born after 1982.

    – Butel JS, et al., Molecular evidence of simian virus 40 infections in children. J Infect Dis. 1999 Sep;180(3):884-7.

    SV40 in Tumors and Blood from Blood Donors
    SV40 large T-antigen sequences were detected at
    high prevalence, in human biopsies of primary brain (37-44%) and bone (21-37%) tumors, in cell cultures derived from brain (30-54%) and bone (53-80%) tumors. SV40 Tag sequences were detected in 29% of buffy coats
    of blood donors. However, only four brain tumor cell lines showed all the five regions of the SV40 genome investigated.

    – Martini F, et al., Different simian virus 40 genomic regions and sequences homologous with SV40
    large T antigen in DNA of human brain and bone tumors and of leukocytes from blood donors. Cancer. 2002 Feb 15;94(4):1037-48.

    Human Exposure
    Our data demonstrate that humans were exposed to
    SV40 viruses with both one 72-bp enhancer and two 72-bp enhancers SV40 through contaminated vaccines. Our data also suggest that instead of
    cytopathic tests, immunohistochemical and/or molecular studies should be used to screen poliovaccines for SV40 to completely eliminate the risk
    of occasional contamination.
    – Rizzo P, et al., Unique strains of SV40 in commercial poliovaccines from 1955 not readily identifiable with current testing for SV40 infection. Cancer Res. 1999 Dec 15;59(24):6103-8.
    Our data suggests that there may be an increased
    incidence of certain cancers among the 98 million persons exposed to contaminated polio vaccine in the U.S.; further investigations are clearly justified.

    – Fisher SG, et al., Cancer risk associated with simian virus 40 contaminated polio vaccine. Anticancer Res. 1999 May-Jun;19(3B):2173-80.

    Brain Cancers and Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma
    This review examines the molecular biology, pathology, and clinical data implicating SV40 in the pathogenesis of
    primary human brain cancers and NHL.
    – Vilchez RA, Butel JS., SV40 in human brain cancers and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. Oncogene. 2003 Aug 11;22(33):5164-72.

    Lymphomas
    This review examines the data implicating SV40 in
    the pathogenesis of human lymphomas and discusses future directions to define the causative role for SV40 in these malignancies.

    – Vilchez RA, Butel JS. Simian virus 40 and its association with human lymphomas. Curr Oncol Rep. 2003 Sep;5(5):372-9.

    Bone Tumors
    These results indicate that SV40-like sequences are present in human bone tumors.
    – Carbone M, et al., SV40-like sequences in human bone tumors. Oncogene. 1996 Aug 1;13(3):527-35.

    Mesothelioma
    A simian virus, SV40, has been associated with malignant mesotheliomas and is a probable cofactor in tumor development. The molecular changes caused by each of these major etiologic factors and their
    interrelationships are the focus of this review.

    – Gazdar AF, Carbone M., Molecular pathogenesis of malignant mesothelioma and its relationship to simian virus 40. Clin Lung Cancer. 2003 Nov;5(3):177-81.

    Various Cancers
    Review of thirteen studies that establish that
    SV40 is associated significantly with brain tumors, bone cancers, malignant mesothelioma, and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.

    – Vilchez RA, et al., Simian virus 40 in human cancers. Am J Med. 2003 Jun 1;114(8):675-84.

    SV40 Strains
    The regulatory region (RR) of simian virus 40 (SV40) contains enhancer/promoter elements and an origin of DNA replication. Natural SV40 isolates from simian brain or kidney tissues typically have an archetypal RR arrangement with a single 72-basepair
    enhancer element. A rare simpler, shorter SV40 RR exists that lacks a duplicated sequence in the G/C-rich region and is termed protoarchetypal. Occasionally, SV40 strain variants arise de novo that have complex RRs, which typically contain sequence reiterations, rearrangements, and/or deletions. These variantsreplicate faster and to
    higher titers in tissue culture; we speculate that such faster-growing variants were selected when laboratory strains of SV40 were initially recovered. SV40 strains with archetypal RRs have been found in some
    human brain tumors. The possible implications of these findings and a brief review of the SV40 RR structure are presented.

    – Lednicky JA, Butel JS, Simian
    virus 40 regulatory region structural diversity and the association of
    viral archetypal regulatory regions with human brain tumors. Semin Cancer Biol. 2001 Feb;11(1):39-47.

    Government Scientists Compromise SV40 Study
    Presently there are over 61 reports from 49
    different laboratories that have detected SV40 in human mesothelioma, lymphoma, brain and bone tumors, versus three reports, two from Dr.
    Shah’s laboratory who performed his study under contract from Dr. Strickler at the Viral Epidemiology Branch (VEB) National Cancer Institute (USA) that have failed to detect SV40 in some of these same tumor types. To address whether the negative reports were caused by lack
    of sensitivity of the technique used in Shah’s laboratory, or whether the positive reports were caused by contamination within the greater number of laboratories reporting SV40 detection, two multi-center studies were conducted. Dr. Shah’s laboratory technique used in 1996 was apparently not sufficiently sensitive to detect SV40 in human tumors. When this became apparent, during unilateral pre-trial testing of positive controls by Dr. Shah, the study coordinator of the VEB, Dr. Strickler, apparently compromised the blinded nature of the study and
    allowed Dr. Shah to modify and improve his technique. When one of the participating laboratories questioned irregularities in the data from Dr. Shah’s laboratory and directly questioned Dr. Strickler, the study organizer, about the potential irregularity, Dr. Strickler and Dr. Shah
    offered letters stating that such irregularities had not occurred and re-confirmed that they had not deviated from the standard protocol. The facts indicating that Dr. Shah’s laboratory technique was not sufficiently sensitive to detect SV40 were not made available to the
    other laboratories participating in the study and were not published. Instead, according to Dr. Shah’s testimony, Dr. Strickler, the VEB multi-center study coordinator, compromised the masked positive controls
    and knowingly permitted Dr. Shah to re-test and adjust his technique during pre-trial testing. The actual negative pre-trial test results were never published alongside the published trial results indicating Dr. Shah’s laboratory had the most sensitive technique to detect SV40
    among the nine participating laboratories.

    – MacLachlan DS, SV40 in human tumors: new documents shed light on the apparent controversy. Anticancer Res. 2002 Nov-Dec;22(6B):3495-9.

    Consensus Meeting
    Evidence in favor and against a possible association of SV40 with human cancer was reviewed at an international
    consensus meeting at the University of Chicago on 20, 21 April 2001, entitled “Malignant Mesothelioma: Therapeutic Options and the Role of SV40, 2001″. The main focus was the association of SV40 with mesothelioma and other human tumors.
    – Klein G, et al., Association of SV40 with human tumors. Oncogene. 2002 Feb 14;21(8):1141-9.

    National Institute of Health Patent
    On October 6, 1999, an announcement appeared in
    the Federal Register which detailed an invention owned by the National Institute of Health (NIH). This invention called, “Adenoviral Vector Expressing a SV4OT Antigen Antisense RNA” is a method to treat “all cancers that express SV40 T antigen.” The invention uses antisense
    technology which is a way of directly attacking SV40.

    Here is an example of the NIH making available for
    licensing a government owned invention that treats SV40 cancers by inactivating SV40. We would suggest that this demonstrates that at least some scientists in the government are aware that SV40 is a cause of
    these cancers. For if SV40 were not a cause, how would its destruction treat “all cancers that express SV40 T antigen?” http://www.sv40foundation.org/NIH-Patent.html

    IOM Letter & Report
    On October 22, 2002, the Institute of Medicine published a report entitled Immunization Safety Review: SV40 Contamination of Polio Vaccine and Cancer.

    The Institute of Medicine (IOM) was chartered in
    1970 as a component of the National Academy of Sciences. The IOM’s mission is to serve as adviser to the nation to improve health by providing “unbiased, evidence-based, and authoritative information and
    advice” concerning health and science policy.
    Although many members of the IOM have received
    funding from the federal government (thus challenging the claim of being“unbiased”), their conclusions in respect to SV40 included: http://www.sv40foundation.org/IOM.html

    [House Hearing, 108 Congress]
    THE SV-40 VIRUS: HAS TAINTED POLIO VACCINE CAUSED AN INCREASE IN CANCER HEARING before the SUBCOMMITTEE ON HUMAN RIGHTS AND WELLNESS of the COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION SEPTEMBER 10, 2003 Serial No. 108-85
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-108hhrg91047/html/CHRG-108hhrg91047.htm

    Simian Virus 40 Infection of Humans
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC153983/

    Molecular Identification of SV40 Infection in Human Subjects and Possible Association with Kidney Disease
    http://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/13/9/2320.full

    Peer review is compromised:
    Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/

    Three myths about scientific peer review
    http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/three-myths-about-scientific-peer-review/

    False positives: fraud and misconduct are threatening scientific research: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/sep/13/scientific-research-fraud-bad-practice

    Many peer-reviewed asthma studies are flawed: http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2000/02/28/103978.htm

    Flaws are found in validating medical studies: Many see need to overhaul standards for peer review http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/diseases/articles/2005/0 /15/flaws_are_found_in_validating_medical_studies/

    Class Says Merck Lied About Mumps Vaccine
    http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/27/47851.htm

    Big Pharma researcher admits to faking dozens of research studies for Pfizer, Merck: It’s being called the largest research fraud in medical history. Dr.
    Scott Reuben, a former member of Pfizer’s speakers’ bureau, has agreed
    to plead guilty to faking dozens of research studies that were published
    in medical journals. Natural News

    Merck Vaccine Fraud – 2nd US Court Case Over MMR Vaccine: http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/merck-vaccine-fraud-2nd-us-court-case-over-mmr-vaccine/

  • elnura

    Yes, I have both. Very unnerving. What are these people thinking? Who gave them the right to condemn not only children but everyone to a laundry list of unknown diseases because they:
    1) can’t purify vaccines and they know the growing cultures are highly contaminated.
    2.) continue to pump out poison that they know is full of unknown viruses and have the audacity to say they are safe.
    3.) these people can get in front of a camera, teach a class or give a interview on the benefits of vaccination when they know the opposite is true and state it behind closed doors.
    4.) continue to push this poison because THEY WANT MONEY!

    When I think about Doctors firing parents because they refuse vaccination I want to got out and make citizens arrest for assault, attempted murder and fraud.

  • Roxanne

    Wrong again! Read the monograph’s straight from the horse’s mouth… Here’s an example from Fluzone:
    “It is not known whether Fluzone vaccine can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproductive capacity. Fluzone vaccine has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or for impairment of fertility.”
    Only a bona fide troll could state that vaccines are
    “tested for every potential harm” and then deny what
    the manufacturer directly writes on the monograph…
    And this is the tip of the needle re. what isn’t been tested
    for or monitored long-term.

  • Lou

    Yes I am sure you are correct.

    That is why our Hyper-Vaccinated children rank 45th in world childhood (under 5) mortality.

    My guess is that without our pernicious fraudulent “vaccinations” we would be back up to our prevaccination era ranking of the top three to five.

    How is it possible to spend these TRILLIONS on our children and yet be killing them?

    Hint we are not spending the trillions to help ANYONE outside of the Medical Industry and the depopulation agenda nut jobs; children, parents or people. What is the money being spent on? IMO it is a LOT more serious that profits for the Industrial Medical Industry. Did I mention we get our “health care” from a Rockefeller clan INDUSTRY in bed with the depopulation agenda nut jobs?.

    How does it feel to be part of a country killing our children all for the sake of curing the world’s ills by killing the innocent? Don’t feel bad we have LOTS of company.

    “WASHINGTON, DC – In a stunning statement, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) has supported the World Health Organization’s (WHO) recommendation that thimerosal, a mercury-containing preservative, be retained
    for use in the global vaccine supply. Rather than supporting a ban or phase out, the AAP and WHO are arguing for unrestricted use of mercury in vaccines. SafeMinds believes that children in developing countries deserve the same access to mercury-free vaccines that children have in developed nations.”

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/06/us-pediatricians-endorse-continued-injection-of-mercury-into-children-in-developing-countries.html

    “Author Jurriaan Maessan stumbled upon some very compelling and important research back in 2010 while digging through annual reports for the Rockefeller
    Foundation that conclusively prove that it funded numerous research projects into the development “anti-fertility” vaccines, with its origins in scientific research dating back to at least 1968, and with successful research conducted by at least 1988. There now exists several methods to sterilize both men and women by injection, as well as to terminate pregnancies and/or induce spontaneous abortions.” Eugenics Today: How Vaccines Are Used to Sterilize the Masses

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vaccine_1.htm

  • Lou

    LOL

    Perhaps they could add some gold and make us rich as well as healthy.

  • elnura

    Dr Khan of the FDA:
    Khan added that they had also found another possible danger; ‘There was a theoretical possibility that the virus [ALV] could … infect the [human] cell’ thus integrating its genetic code ‘into the human DNA’ to cause cancer. The only reassurance she could give was that her team had watched vaccine cultures for a full ‘48 hours’, and, in that time period, no merger of viral and human DNA had been observed. I thought this much too short a period to
    guarantee safety. Cancers develop over years.

    Dr Khan then warned; ‘there is a possibility that there could also be potential pseudotypes (merging between) … the measles vaccine virus and the retroviral sequences’ – meaning there was a risk that bird viruses might combine with the measles virus in the vaccine to create dangerous new mutant viruses, They had not seen it, but it could happen.

    She acknowledged much longer term safety studies were needed than 48 hours, but said that long-term studies of measles vaccine cultures were very difficult: ‘because the measles vaccine virus itself lyses [kills] the culture in about three to four days.’ This had prevented
    them from studying the longer-term consequences of this contamination of the MMR vaccine.

    From Transcript of the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Committee Meeting
    http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber05.html#VaccinesandRelatedBiological

    From Fear of the Invisible: Janine Roberts

    In the Vaccine Papers (same author) many of the transcripts of these meetings referenced the time frame for keeping cell cultures alive in the lab and 48 hours seems to be the max. Anyone using critical thinking and common sense can see that this is unacceptable for something you’re injecting into people. This is for all the common vaccines.

  • elnura

    vaccines are tested for every potential of harm

    The only way to test the veracity of that statement is to do a long term study of the health of unvaccinated children to vaccinated children and the CDC absolutely refuses to do it. The government has ordered them to do it but they refuse and because so many members of congress who are on the science committee receive money from big pharma-they will not vote to compel the CDC to do the study.

  • elnura
  • Lou

    Gardasil LOL

    The laughing stock of the “vaccine” world yet the idiots are pushing it still.

    “On deeper analysis, however, you learn that the CDC admits that HPV [virus] has never been isolated in culture.”

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_gardasil.htm

    So tell me how does one develop a “vaccine” for a virus one can not directly study?

    Oh it is not hard at all Industrial Vaccines INC. has “developed” dozens of “vaccines” for the NEVER observed polio virus. Of course these “vaccines” had NOTHING to do with preventing polio. Think cancer causing SV40 in hundreds of millions of poor trusting souls.

    Hint don’t be so trusting.

  • Danny Ortiz

    Mind control :) i did not believe it until i watched my own mother question my informed parental decision concerning my own son :) it really is amazing and disturbing at the same time the level of conditioning society has undergone to this point in time…

  • Lou

    “Of course, I don’t assume that everyone’s immune system is the same.”

    Say that is very strange the Vaccine Industry, the CDC and your friendly needle pushing peditrician all assume everyone’s immune system is the same.

    Of course YOU are correct and all these dolts are WRONG. So I am glad you reject the UNIVERSAL “vaccination” Schedule.

    At least we are making some progress.

  • Mindanoiha

    Thank you Roxanne for all this interesting information.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    The up vote is from “diversity’, the one who claims that embalming fluid formaldehyde “doesn’t affect the body”. That is the kind of instructions the vaccine manufacturers give them before trolling sessions. And they expect us to trust them with injecting their concoctions into our bodies?

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    “Notation” was overjoyed when she found a misspelled word in my post.
    Arrested development? Vaccine-induced early dementia?

  • Jim Bob

    There is no way any rational person would consider a nutty conspiracy website to be a legitimate source.
    Moreover, how do you get around the fact that they are receiving advertising revenues to sell magical cures (which just happen to be competition for science-based medicine)?
    How can you go on about the “vaccine industry” without discussing the “big herbal supplement industry”?

  • Jim Bob

    Because the results of the placebos used in vaccine clinical trials have been previously documented they can provide a bench mark for change and sensitivity regarding test results.
    Ergo, they are tested very reliably. Moreover, there is continued monitoring after testing and during roll-out and continued use. Its absolutely unreasonable to say that vaccines are not tested properly.
    Just because you can’t understand why the testing is accurate, doesn’t mean it isn’t so.

  • elnura

    The scientific world is owned by the pharmaceutical industry and anyone who can read outside of the bubble know this. Studies and Peer Review, which you place such high value lack integrity and creditability.

    As Ben Goldacre states in his book “Bad Pharma” How Drug companies Misled Doctors and harm Patients:

    Medicine is Broken. Drugs are tested by the people who manufacture them, in poorly designed trials, on
    hopelessly small numbers of weird, unrepresentative patients, and analyzed using techniques which are flawed by design, in such a way that they exaggerate the
    benefits of treatments. Unsurprisingly, these trials tend to produce results that favour the manufacturer. When trials throw up results that companies don’t like, they are perfectly entitled to hide them from doctors and patients, so we only ever see a distorted picture of any drug’s true effects. Regulators see most of the trial data, but only from early on in a drug’s life, and even then they don’t give this data to doctors or patients, or even to other parts of government. This distorted evidence is then communicated and applied in a distorted fashion. In their forty years of practice after leaving medical school, doctors hear about what works through ad hoc oral traditions, from sales reps, colleagues or journals. But those colleagues can be in the pay of drug companies – often undisclosed – and the journals are too. And so are the patient groups. And finally, academic papers, which everyone thinks of as objective, are often covertly planned and written by people who work directly for the companies, without disclosure. Sometimes whole academic journals are even owned outright by one drug company. Aside from all this, for several of the most
    important and enduring problems in medicine, we have no idea what the best treatment is, because it’s not in anyone’s financial interest to conduct any trials at all. These are ongoing problems, and although people have claimed to fix many of them, for the most part they have failed; so all these problems persist, but worse than ever, because now people can pretend that everything is
    fine after all.

    This is from a pharmaceutical industry insider and
    shrill.

    Also, Jonathan Fried, in his investigative book “Bitter Pills”

    We take our medicines on faith. We assume our doctors are well-informed, our drug companies scrupulous, our FDA diligent—and our medications safe. All too often we’re wrong. Just how wrong is documented in this
    critically acclaimed portrait of the international pharmaceutical industry by one of our most highly respected investigative journalists.

    According to the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), adverse drug reactions are the fourth leading cause of death in America. Reactions to prescription and over-the-counter medications kill far more people annually than all illegal drug use combined.

    Peer review is meaningless unless it’s from an independent source and the first thing one needs to do is research the researchers AFTER one researches the journal it’s published in to determine if the journal is owned by the pharmaceutical company and filled with articles written by employees of that company who use real Doctors names that they paid for. Or should I say rented for that particular article.

    -Merck Wrote Drug Studies for Doctors: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/business/16vioxx.html?_r=0
    -Ghostwriting and Academic Medicine: http://chronicle.com/article/GhostwritingAcademic/123613/
    -Medical Ghost-Writing: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3190555/
    -A Former Pharma Ghostwriter Speaks Out: http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/08/10/a-former-pharma-ghostwriter-speaks-out/
    -Medical journals and pharmaceutical companies: uneasy bedfellows:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1126057/
    -Medical Journals: British Medical Journal: Is
    the Conflict of Interest Unacceptable When Pharmaceutical Companies Conduct Their Own Trials?
    http://www.policymed.com/2009/12/medical-journals-british-medical-journal-is-the-conflict-of-interest-unacceptable-when-pharmaceutical-companies-conduct-th.html
    -Elsevier published 6 fake journals: http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/27383/title/Elsevier-published-6-fake-journals/
    -Merck published fake journal:http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/27376/title/Merck-published-fake-journal/
    -Drug-Company Sponsored Ghostwriters Are Getting Busted By Some Medical Journals: http://www.drug-injury.com/druginjurycom/2009/09/designwrite-work-wyeth-ghostwriting-premarin-nyt-september-dida.html
    -As drug industry’s influence over research grows, so does the potential for bias:http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/as-drug-industrys-influence-over-research-grows-so-does-the-potential-for-bias/2012/11/24/bb64d596-1264-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_story.html
    -Dark Side of Medical Research: Widespread Bias and Omissions:http://www.livescience.com/8365-dark-side-medical-research-widespread-bias-omissions.html

  • elnura

    That would be impossible since you are a zombie devoid of any conscious, integrity, soul, high self and especially a heart. Being a zombie you probably don’t have any of the other major organs either and that includes a brain. I’m sure when you were initiated that was the first thing to be destroyed. You have no compassion, no kindness, no understanding of another person, rather than be a fully functioning productive person of the human race you find joy and pleasure in beating people down rather than uplifting them. You find joy in inflicting pain rather than relieving it.
    You feed on others naïveness and trust like a predator stalks and feeds on an smaller animal in the wild. You take endless joy lying, manipulating, being abusive and bullying. It juices you up. You get up every morning, look in the mirror and say your mantra-I will be more abusive today than I was yesterday and if I encounter any small children or animals today-look out. You accept payment for what you do but the ironic thing is you enjoy it so much you’d do it for free. Your karma is set. I would say what most people who have had the misfortune of being on the abusive end of you-May God have mercy on you but frankly, I don’t think God would be bothered.

  • elnura

    Might it be irrelevant because you can’t read.

  • elnura

    Do you have anything cogent to discuss-you and diversity. Girls, or girl/guy, we don’t know who is what, I’m sure you’re following the script of abusive trolling practices.

    When you come across a comment made by an vaccine internet troll you can begin to see a pattern that emerges. They respond with words like, “You idiot, do you want to see millions of children dying from the
    Chicken –pox again? I suppose you think that it is better to have strep throat than a Whooping Cough Vaccine, without knowing that the Whooping
    Cough vaccine has nothing to do with strep-throat,. For that matter there is no such thing as a strep throat vaccine to begin with.The next time you see comments saying: ‘My unvaccinated child has autism’ or ‘My immune-compromised child can’t take vaccines – it is your duty to immunize your child so my child doesn’t get sick’ or ‘My sister got measles and died’ etc. – please be aware that these may be totally fabricated lies concocted by vaccine fanatics to intimidate and discredit vaccine
    freedom and awareness websites and facebook pages.

    They also advocate setting up phony email accounts and IDs so that their dishonest comments cannot be traced back to the source. read more

    A troll is often writing on the computer while sipping lattes in fad Coffee establishments. Trolls are very self-assured and believe that they actually have 500-1,000 friends. They enjoy television, 3D movies and Springsteen concerts.

    Once they have posted an attack or cursed at you, beware of the intention. Trying to respond with intelligence only escalates their hostility. If you report a fact that can be confirmed, it will not matter to them because their response is scripted. You might retort, “If vaccines are so safe, why did the US vaccine court already pay 2
    Billion dollars to families that proved that vaccines, “Resulted” in Autism.” “By paying, the US agreed that the damages were a result of vaccines and compensation was an act of justice. They might respond with
    “Prove it.” You can then try to get them to read about it but they willsay that they do not have the time and comment, ”If the US paid money because someone got hurt from a vaccine then it would be on TV, the news
    and the radio; I do not have time for your B.S.”

    The one important thing to watch for is the language that they employthat is meant to throw you off the track. They are really being paid to sound as if they are just regular people with an opinion and teach you that society survived only because of great vaccinations.” “We would
    all be dead by now if not for superior pharmaceuticals.” Not that they can acknowledge the fact that their own parents survived with only 5 or 6 lifetime vaccines, a far cry from the 40 or 50 vaccines that the trolls
    have had thus far.

    Trolls have a tendency to put on weight in an apple type
    shape-particularly around the middle. They might make a promise to themselves to frequent fast food establishments less than 7 times per week as they find the convenience of wi-fi in fast food restaurants very
    appealing. Sometimes they prefer to spend time on E-Bay rather than have a face-to-face social encounter with a girlfriend or boyfriend. Or a plastic artificial boy/girlfriend for intimate moments because of a fear of being intimate.

    Like I said before: anything you say is Nugatory.

  • notation

    This is such a joke. Even the picture at the top should be a clue that there is nothing remotely accurate in this article. The citations? From TV shows? Come on. If you can’t do any better than that, you deserve every bit of ridicule you get. You’re nuts.

  • notation

    You are called an idiot because you are one. You can’t come up with any science-based arguments for your stance on vaccines and it just gripes your azz.

  • notation

    How telling that you and your mini-me josh have to lie to try to make a point, Freeple. Sad, truly. Where’s your proof?

  • notation

    Nope. Just laughing at the lack of education among the nut-jobs.

  • notation

    No, it didn’t. You simply choose to look at falsified data, as I’ve already pointed out to you. It’s dishonest.

  • notation

    Prove that vaccine “growing cultures are highly contaminated.”
    Prove that vaccines are “unsafe.”
    Prove that there are any substances present that are poisonous in the amounts contained in vaccines.

    You can’t. The only thing you can point to are books and articles by the nut-cases you love. Do you work for one of them?

  • notation

    I don’t reject the schedule at all. Your reading comprehension skills are sadly lacking, as evidenced by the links you’ve posted to non-science-based sites and articles.

    Try to troll harder, Lou.

  • notation

    “Everyone here KNOWS”. That’s because just about everyone here is a conspiracy nut-case, including you.

  • notation

    You haven’t even read it and if you had, you wouldn’t have a clue what it said. Furthermore, you are outed as a complete fraud, since you’ve already said that anything the CDC publishes is full of lies.

  • notation

    Why don’t you point out in the “data” you linked, from decades ago, just what you think you have “discovered,” Jeff. I can hardly wait. Tell us all what you concluded from the data, and how it is you interpreted it thus.

    Then explain how it is that the vast majority of scientists, doctors, and just regular folks think you’re nuts.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    Have any of you seen this documentary? Very eye opening. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/vaccine-nation/ Notation you better not watch it because we anti-vaxers need trolls like you to keep us more determined than ever to bring out the truth about vaccines. I am sure I speak for all of us when I say thank you for helping to keep us on our toes and not allowing us to get complacent in thinking that truth will prevale, and that sooner or later the toxin pusher will come to their senses. We need trolls like you to spur us onward and upward and motivate us to keep up the fight.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    I was glad to see that one of the things the film http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/vaccine-nation/ brings out is that the mother may have high levels of mercury in her system that are passed on to the fetus. If mom has a mouthful of silver fillings that are off gassing high levels of mercury vapor, that mercury is getting incorporated into the deep tissue of the body because mercury and zinc are very close and the body actually mistakes mercury for zinc. So if the child is born with high levels of mercury already and then more is continually added through vaccines it is easy to see how dangerous they can become. Each one on it’s own may not cause harm but I have never heard of a baby’s mercury levels being checked before they start vaccinating. And, lets say a baby’s birth mercury levels are already high which may have already compromised his immune system and we add the aluminum and the formaldehyde and all the other crap that is in those vaccines, what then?

    Outbreaks of mercury poisonings have made it clear that adults, children, and developing fetuses are at risk from ingestion exposure to mercury. During these poisoning outbreaks some mothers with no symptoms of nervous system damage gave birth to infants with severe disabilities, it became clear that the developing nervous system of the fetus may be more vulnerable to mercury than is the adult nervous system.

    Symptoms of Chronic Mercury Poisoning

    CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM
    irritability
    anxiety/nervousness, often with difficulty in breathing
    restlessness
    exaggerated response to stimulation
    fearfulness
    emotional instability
    -lack of self control
    -fits of anger, with violent, irrational behavior
    loss of self confidence
    indecision
    shyness or timidity, being easily embarrassed
    loss of memory
    inability to concentrate
    lethargy/drowsiness
    insomnia
    mental depression, despondency
    withdrawal
    suicidal tendencies
    manic depression
    numbness and tingling of hands, feet, fingers, toes, or lips
    muscle weakness progressing to paralysis
    ataxia
    tremors/trembling of hands, feet, lips, eyelids or tongue
    incoordination

    Uh, does any of this relate in any way to autism? I don’t know, but I had two different chiropractors tell me that all the mercury in my mouth was causing heart problems and neither one of them knew I had silver fillings or that I was having heart problems when they worked on me. Within two months of having the silver fillings safely removed all my heart problems stopped.

    I am not a biochemist but it just seems reasonable that there is simply no way that anyone would be able to determine what the threshold is for safety in every baby. One microgram more of toxin could be the deciding factor between death or a life of abject misery from vaccine injuries.

    I still say the best way to have the truth come out would be to tell the medical profession and the vaccines manufacturers that they can’t make one red cent from vaccines and see how fast they come to the conclusion that vaccines aren’t really beneficial after all. I would almost bet my life on that scenario. Follow the money.

  • Lou

    Sir Please supply a CDC, NIH, or other AUTHORITATIVE continuous GRAPH of measles mortality in the US from 1900 or thereabouts to the present or as close as you are able.

    Guess what there do not seem to be ANY!.

    I wonder why.

    Can you say deadly fraud by those in AUTHORITY ?

    Yes you can.

  • Roxanne

    Elnura, remind me of the both book titles, and if I were to get only one at this juncture which would you recommend as the
    best overview?

  • Roxanne

    Anything that is critical of vaccination is labelled “falsified”
    by those vaccine zombies too deeply programmed to relinquish their faith in vaccine dogmas. I have a photocopy of the stats for measles mortality in my region from the 1880′s onwards straight from the original source. It clearly shows that death from measles plummeted massively well before the introduction of the measles vaccine. When confronted by these figures at a recent talk, the “authorities” just sat there with their mouths open speechless and then
    true to form avoided addressing the issue raised.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    You have been warned. Your comments can be placed elsewhere.

    You have some growing up to do and I sincerely hope if you are trying to get placement in the medical community, your bedside manners are not a reflection of what you posted here.

  • Lou

    Anyone looking at government sanctioned “proof” in today’s corrupt USA is in trouble.

    Look for strong EVIDENCE that you see reenforced and makes SENSE. Will this ALWAYS give you correct answers?

    No, 99% is good enough for me.

    A 99% reduction in autism the ASDs and all the diseases of “vaccination” would sure be GREAT.

  • Lou

    “I don’t reject the [MASS VACCINATION] schedule at all”.

    Well then Sir you do not respect the INDIVIDUAL immune systems of the MASS poisoned INDIVIDUAL children and all of us poisoned by the UNIVERSAL VACCINE SCHEDULE.

    Or perhaps you do not understand how mass murder is being performed in the USA these days.

  • Lou

    “There’s far less opportunity for it to gain a foothold if the great majority of the population is vaccinated.”

    Sir you are beating a dead horse; please move on.

    Your Immune Design

    “Tremendous government financial and medical resources are wasted on the development of more vaccinations to prevent diseases. No research has proven the effectiveness of vaccinations in preventing illness. Overwhelming evidence exists to show vaccines are dangerous to health and contribute to illness, injury and death.” More Vaccines or Better Nutrition Prevents Disease?

    Your body is designed to eliminate MOST non-self problems using you innate immune system alone. MOST of the time an invader will not get past a robust innate immune system. If your innate immune system is weak and your adaptive
    immune system is often called upon you are in trouble. This is because your adaptive immune system often creates a LOT of free radical damage fighting to the death an
    entrenched invader. Make sure you have done all possible to strengthen your innate immune system; your adaptive immune system WITHOUT “vaccination” will in most cases take care of itself.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_natural_immunity.htm

  • Roxanne

    No problem, having a collection of these is always handy when vaccine
    apologists claim vaccines are safe:
    The MMR (or Measles) Vaccine and Autism:

    Oleske, J. “Elevated rubeola [measles] titers in autistic children.” Abstract presented by D. Zecca and Dr. Graffino at an NIH meeting (September 23, 1997). As quoted by Richard Gallup in “Autism and autoimmunity.” http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/18/14/10.html (April 15, 2002.)

    Fudenberg, H.H. “Dialysable lymphocyte extract (DlyE) in infantile onset autism: a pilot study.” Biotherapy 1996; 9:143-147.

    Gupta, S. “Immunology and immunologic treatment of autism.” Proceedings of the National Autism Association, Chicago 1996: 455-460.

    Yazbak, F.E. “Autism: Is there a vaccine connection? Part I. Vaccination after delivery.” 1999. http://www.garynull.com/documents/autism99b.htm

    Yazbak, F.E. “Autism: Is there a vaccine connection? Part II. Vaccination around pregnancy.” 1999. http://www.garynull.com/documents/autism99b2.htm

    Yazbak, F.E. “Autism: Is there a vaccine connection? Part III. Vaccination around pregnancy, the sequel.” 2000. http://www.garynull.com/documents/autism99b3.htm

    “Autism: Present Challenges, Future Needs — Why the Increased Rates?” Government Reform Committee Hearing, Washington, DC. (April 6, 2000.)

    “Autism: Why the Increased Rates? A One-Year Update.” Government Reform Committee Hearing, Washington, DC. (April 25-26, 2001.)

    “The Autism Epidemic: Is the NIH and CDC Response Adequate?” Government Reform Committee Hearing, Washington, DC. (April 18, 2002.)

    “The Status of Research into Vaccine Safety and Autism.” Government Reform Committee Hearing, Washington, DC. (June 19, 2002.)

    Kawashima, K., et al. “Detection and sequencing of measles virus from peripheral mononuclear cells from patients with inflammatory bowel disease and autism.” Digestive Diseases and Sciences (April 2000); 45:723-729.

    Reuters Medical News. “Measles persistence confirmed in some patients with IBD, autistic enterocolitis.” (June 20, 2000). http://www.id.medscape.com/reuters/prof/2000/06/06.20/20000620scie001.html

    Kiln MR, “Autism, inflammatory bowel disease, and MMR vaccine.” Lancet 1998 May 2;351(9112):1358.

    Selway, “MMR vaccination and autism 1998. Medical practitioners need to give more than reassurance.” BMJ 1998 Jun 13;316(7147):1824.

    Nicoll A, Elliman D, Ross E, “MMR vaccination and autism 1998,” MJ 1998 Mar 7;316(7133):715-716.

    Lindley K J, Milla PJ, “Autism, inflammatory bowel disease, and MMR vaccine.”Lancet 1998 Mar 21;351(9106):907-908.

    Bedford H, et al, “Autism, inflammatory bowel disease, and MMR vaccine.” Lancet 1998 Mar 21;351(9106):907.

    Vijendra K. Singh, Sheren X. Lin, and Victor C. Yang, “Serological Association of Measles Virus and Human Herpesvirus-6 with Brain Autoantibodies in Autism,” Clinical Immunology and Immunopathology, Oct 1998, Vol. 89, No. 1, p 105-108

    Wakefield, A.J. et al. “Enterocolitis in children with developmental disorders.” American Journal of Gastroenterology 2000; 95(9):2154-2156.

    Wakefield, A., et al. “Measles, mumps and rubella vaccine: through a glass, darkly.” Adverse Drug Reaction and Toxicologica Reviews 2000; 19(4):265-283.

    Wakefield, A.J., et al. “Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children.” Lancet 1998; 351:637-641.

  • Roxanne

    Thanks for sharing these points. Zinc is incredibly important for optimal immune function, so when heavy metals interfere with vital minerals (as
    do lead, cadmium etc.), this is just another key aspect of how cumulative toxicity creates health havoc. (I saw the documentary you mentioned some
    time back but would like to watch it again. It would be valuable to keep aside the names of such documentaries)

  • Roxanne

    What a mega joke your comment is, Jim Bob! Yes there is a growing and profitable market for natural products – herbal and otherwise (which BTW the pharmaceutical are also getting into) Please name any “big herbal supplement”
    industry that comes remotely close to the pharmacheutical
    powerhouses? Do you deny the revolving door between
    the pharmaceutical industry and bodies and regulatory
    bodies? Do you deny that the AAP receives $$$ from Merck and the list goes on!

  • Roxanne

    Open your eyes… and this refers to only to 2002!
    “The combined profits for the ten drug companies in the Fortune 500 ($35.9 billion) were more than the profits for all the other 490 businesses put together ($33.7 billion) in 2002…Now, primarily a marketing machine to sell drugs of dubious benefit, this industry uses its weight and power to co-opt every institution that might stand in its way, including the US Congress, the FDA, academia, medical centers and the medical profession itself.”

    Dr. Marcia Angell, former Editor, The New England Journal of Medicine

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    I had never seen it but it is powerful. I have a great nephew about to be born and I have been trying to get my nephew to just do his research, as he is totally pro-vax. My whole family has been blessed so far but with the high rates of autism and increasing number of vaccines given I can’t see that remaining the case and I have had increasing feelings of dread about this baby being vaxed. I hope and pray I am wrong.

  • diversity

    No I can read

  • diversity

    Studies and peer review are independent
    What are you doing without medicine?

  • diversity

    how do you expect a new vaccine for a new virus o have a long term study?

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    You are still here? Oh, yes, it is business hours now- trolling job time. Did your supervisor informed you already what degree you have? Yesterday you didn’t remember.
    By the way when vaccine industry hires trolls, what are job requirements?

  • Lou

    “In Sweden, the annual incidence rate of pertussis per 100,000 children 0-6 years of age increased from 700 cases in 1981 to 3,200 in 1985″

    Sir cannot you get ANYTHING right?

    http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/images/content-images/Blog/Romanos%20Sweden%27s%20graph.jpg

    Of course they do not teach you guys about leads and lags. Too abstruse I guess.

    “However, in another 20 years, Sweden may well start to experience a rise in adolescents and adults seen in the rest of the world….. because by then, their vaccines will have completely changed the immune function of their vaccinated generations. Then, Sweden’s whooping cough epidemiology will start to look very different to today.”

    http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/hilarys-desk/whooping_cough_in_sweden

    If your AUTHORITATIVE PROOF is any example of AUTHORITATIVE PROOF I’ll take COMMON SENSE every time.

  • Roxanne

    No point, Lou. Vaccine zealot zombies will never get it.
    He/she doesn’t comprehend your spot on comment that
    officialdom treats all immune systems the same with their current vaccine schedules on steroids. Geez, if these vaccines are so great and health-giving, then U.S. children should be the healthiest on the planet and should be so much healthier than their counterparts decades back who
    got fewer vaccines or God forbid, all those people in their
    90′s or 100′s now who had NO vaccines or only a few
    growing up. It’s tragic how incredibly sickly (the new norm)
    are nowadays.

  • Lou

    Well thanks please address the issue of some 95% of “vaccine preventable diseases” disappearing BEFORE “vaccination.

  • Lou

    “I don’t work in pharma or medicine. I don’t teach.:”

    Could have fooled me. Seems you are attempting to teach us to harm our children.

  • Roxanne

    I suspect the only job requirement is that they are comatose, cowardly, easily programmed zombies who lap up the gospel of
    “officialdom” and robotically regurgitate it obediently on cue. I feel for the offspring of such brain dead zombies who’ll be shot up with a
    vaccine schedule on steroids with more to come, and who’ll
    end up with all the conditions that vaccines contribute to or cause:
    allergies, asthma, ear infections, hearing and visual problems, diabetes, cancer, kidney disorders, autism and learning and behavioral problems, auto-immune conditions, Alzheimers etc… That is if they don’t succumb to miscarriage or SIDS “thanks” to the poisoned needle. The pathetic thing is they worship the VERY thing that is the cause of such mass and unnecessary suffering because they fear the “dreaded” chicken pox.

  • Roxanne

    Oh yes, one more requirement: They need to easily exercise their fingers to write rude, abusive comments to compensate for their inability to engage civilly, let alone think outside the box of their masters.

  • Lou

    Well let me try to answer for the CDC et al.

    CDC: Yes it is true the incidences of autoimmune, respiratory, bowel and MANY other diseases has proliferated by about at least 500% since we started using your children as pincushions for our highly profitable “vaccines”.

    But damn those people know where we live, where our kids go to school and PAY very well.

    What would you do?

    LOL just barely.

  • Lou

    “Really, honey, you might as well throw in the towel.”

    Sir I just received word from your boss. He says to be less offensive to the targets.

  • Miko

    Thanks, I have never heard of the fella you mention. As for the new left, Are they also called post 911 liberals? An acquaintance of mine said He and his wife are thus but could not define it……As it were.

  • Miko

    I always forget about all that.. thanks for bringing it back to the frontline.

  • Rick Nielson

    I’m not uneducated. I have a colleague at work that has a severely autistic son. He also has parasitic worms that have taken over his digestive tract. These parents spend hours every day attending to this child. His condition was caused by vaccines given they think too close together. There has been quiet support from the medical community. I’ve listened to her talk about this nightmare for literally hours. I couldn’t possibly give a good account here. There is a closed forum on Facebook that my friend runs fielding questions from parents who have been permanently disabled from vaccines. Maybe someone reading this forum could corroborate this story. It is tragic that the public is denied this info. The arrogance of the people on here who support Vax, calling people stupid. These are good, educated people. Is stunning. That’s what I know.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Did you ask your “Shilliversity” for refund, as someone here suggested? You became a laughing stock here.

  • elnura

    troll

  • diversity

    you cant make a long term study of a new medication or vaccines. when animal testing doesnt show harm it is given to humans. long term studies however are running from the first day

  • elnura

    Boy that’s tough. I would say start with “Fear of the Invisible” because “The Vaccine Papers” makes reference to meetings and conferences in the first book.

  • Roxanne

    Claudia, it is such a painful position to be in. I wonder if he
    saw a list of serious problems that the Hep B vaccine causes that at least he’d stop his the newborn from getting such
    a horrid injection at birth. Even pro-vaxers with any semblance of common sense should think hard about
    inoculating for a disease linked to drug use, sex which a baby is hardly about to engage in! Have you gone to the thinktwice site? If not, I’d suggest going there and looking
    under the studies link and printing up the Hep B one. I’m sure it would take him a back to learn about the vast array of illnesses and conditions that it causes… Even if your nephew is pro-vax, if you pass on as a gift Neil Miller’s Vaccine Safety Manual, I bet he’ll at least skim through it, and who knows what graph might open his eyes.
    Not sure what you’ve told/given to him so far, but all the best.

  • Roxanne

    Thanks, I’ll try and get the book in the coming weeks.

  • sabelmouse

    for someone who claims to be science based your language is very sloppy. would someone who truly espects the scientific process use language such as ” measles kills”? i don’t think so. someone intend on using propaganda would.
    your blatant lie that measles kills or damages was my original contention. the fact that it’s complications that kill/damage , complications that can be avoided , does indeed make an argument for NOT vaccinating as without those all you have left is a few days of unpleasantness and bother with the reward of lifelong immunity and for women the ability to protect their newborns plus no worry about adverse affects of the vaccine.

  • sabelmouse

    ok! but. if you’re vaccinated you ought not get the disease at all. that’s the point, isn’t it? and all those not vaccinated should get it.

  • sabelmouse

    dear roxanne. i’d like to follow you but can’t get your profile up.

  • sabelmouse

    ” hate seeing children suffer and die needlessly from diseases that can be prevented by vaccines”

    like being in bed for a whole week with the measles?

  • elnura

    Well, too many sources have stated that peer review is bought and paid for. However, you aren’t paid to believe the truth, you are paid to push an agenda so that’s what you’re doing. I’m not going to bother wasting time arguing with some who is pretty sure they are a Doctor, has a PHD in medicine and is also a pediatric surgeon. There is not one individual on this board that believes anything you have posted. The only reason others respond to your comments is to prevent misinformation and outright lies from your handlers from being disseminated to those who may be seeking verifiable information on drugs so they can make informed choices for their families.

  • elnura

    No diversity, what’s irrelevant is you. You could not have phased it more beautifully: “I ain’t bother even reading all”.
    What kind of professional speaks like that? I know many professionals with Masters, PHD’s and MD’s, not one of them writes or speaks like that. Seriously-you need a new cover because this one is nugatory.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Naturalnews.com has several articles on connections between mercury poisoning from thimerosal in vaccines and autism, including recent article in european journal “Evidence of parallels between mercury intoxication and brain pathology in autism”.

    I also found it interesting that the fate of the child is in the hands of the nurse: if she draws the concoction into syringe from the bottom of the multidose vial, where thimerosal has accumulated, the child gets huge dose of highly concentrated ethylmercury (one of the most toxic forms of mercury, only methylmercury is worse) – right into his blood, then into his brain!

    This “nurse roulette” may explain, why some children dropped dead after vaccinations, while others (who got their dose from the top of the vial) were lucky to sustain little damage.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/039328_autism_mercury_toxicity_brain_pathology.html

    http://www.naturalnews.com/011764_thimerosal_mercury.html

  • elnura

    My kids never had the measles vaccine and never contracted measles. My biggest fight was keeping them in the house when they were ill.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Your nephew may not have time to read all the information available on the internet. May be it would be easier for him to read a book?
    Catherine Frompovich “Vaccination Voodoo: What you don’t know about vaccines”, has 5 star rating. There are several others on amazon, for example by Kate Birch.
    I like naturalnews site – it is like encyclopedia, but its strength is its problem: you have to make a digest for your nephew, otherwise the amount of information is overwhelming.
    As the last resort you can suggest compromise
    1. make sure that single dose vial is used, not multidose
    Doctors love multidose vials with thimerosal and formaldehyde, they are much cheaper than single-dose. Make sure you see the nurse prepare syringe in front of your eyes, otherwise you don’t know what vial she used.
    2. Try to convince your nephew at least to postpone immunization, do it on reduced schedule, and never do several immunizations in one day – space them out as much as possible. The later the damage done – more chance to recover.
    May be utube or easy to read sites like healthprotocol.com will work for him?
    I hope his eyes will open. I am very grateful to people who gave me information that opened my eyes. I was schooled to beleive vaccines are good things.
    I just wish it happened earlier.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    Neil Miller, is he the one who wrote, Vaccines Are They Really Safe and Effective? I read that book years ago and the thought it was excellent. I didn’t know about the thinktwice site but I will check it out. Thanks so much for the suggestions and the concern. God Bless

  • Jim Bob

    No. That’s not how vaccines work. In a small percentage of cases (typically around 5% but varies up to 10% depending on the vaccine), those who are vaccinated will not receive full immunity from the vaccines. However, studies have shown that these individuals will suffer from a shorter and milder course of the preventable disease than someone who is not vaccinated at all.
    Are suggesting that vaccines shouldn’t be used at all unless they are 100% effective?

  • sabelmouse

    i always hoped that mine would get them at the right age. no such luck, unless they had a very mild case.

  • sabelmouse

    what a cop out.

  • Jim Bob

    Are you suggesting that because the “herbal/magic/voodoo” supplement industry is smaller than the pharmaceutical lobby that is necessarily is less prone to corruption?
    Moreover if all it takes is advertising revenue to corrupt a source, than we definitely can’t trust natural news. Moreover the magic industry doesn’t actually have to report or prove the efficacy of their products where as science-based medicine must go through a large number of hoops and long-term monitoring to keep their products on the shelves.
    If I work for the government and do a really good job and then move to the private sector, are you suggesting that there is a guarantee of corruption?
    You throw a lot of assumptions around here. But I feel that I’m right to base my decisions on scientific fact rather than vague assumptions or implied corruption that has no basis in reality. Perhaps if you could show me the emails linking the private sector with regulatory bodies and the attached money transfers I might be more willing to believe your conspiracy theory. However, until then, I will not be joining the tinfoil hat brigade.

  • Jim Bob

    Just because these companies make a profit, does not mean anything. I won’t assume anything further when there is no evidence of impropriety. I’ll leave that to the conspiracy theory nuts and woo mystics.

  • Jim Bob

    You’ll need to address why vaccine preventable disease resurge when vaccination rates decrease.
    See pertussis in Californa, Measles in Quebec (and now Europe), polio in Nigeria.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    Wow, that is something I hadn’t thought about. Maybe parents should make the nurses shake the bottle up before they draw the dose. I cannot tell you how glad I am that I don’t have to worry about babies and vaccines anymore. It was hard enough 20 years ago when my youngest started school. I told them that if they would agree to take full financial responsibility for any injuries he suffered, I would get his shots. They backed off in a hurry. My husband is a naturopath and we gave our son a healthy concoction every morning and he was almost never sick. He didn’t take any antibiotics from the time he was 14 months, which was before I met my husband, until after he went to college.
    He didn’t even have a sick doctor visit all through school.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Shaking multidose vial is not an answer to the problem. You should demand doctor to order single dose vaccines, as those supposedly do not have thimerosal added as preservative, since they used for one patient and discarded rather than stored for days and weeks. The cost more, therefore doctors prefer to order multidose vials, to make more profit. You should watch them opening the vial and filling syringe in front of your eyes. Also, ask for insert, that lists ingredients.
    I would try to avoid any vaccine though, single or multi- because the rest the poison is still there.

  • diversity

    I can speak however I want and the way I express myself has no cosequences on my practise as a surgeon

  • Roxanne

    Yes, that’s right, however, The Vaccine Safety Manual is
    a larger more comprehensive version including info on more vaccines, so I’d recommend that one plus photocopies of the studies at thinktwice. Also at the site vaccineresistancemovement there are some more technical articles on the mechanics of vaccine dangers in several parts. This info, as with books showing the historical manipulation of stats etc. (like Dr. Humphries ‘Vaccine Illusion’) are valuable and of course, much else which I’m sure you’re already aware of. I think getting the truth out re. the lies around vaccines “saving us” from polio etc. is critically important because for so many this is the Trojan horse that keeps vaccine propaganda machine alive. Once people awaken to these myths, they are much more receptive to seeing the vaccine holy cow for what it really is… I really hope your nephew will have a change of heart or at the very least delay vaccines till the baby is a toddler, and do single injections only. The best, Claudia.

  • diversity

    I am not paid by anybody. Being a pediatric surgeon requires a PHD and is also referred as Doctor. I said I am pretty sure I am a REAL doctor, read. Nobody believes what I post because they are brainwashed and/or not educated by the doctor to understand.

  • Roxanne

    Sabelmouse, you raise a critically important point re. mothers who’ve acquired natural lifelong immunity from measles etc. can pass protection on to their babies. Vaccines invariable shift
    benign childhood diseases to age ranges where complications could, indeed, be more serious. Just part of the tangled web of
    interfering with nature with unknown long-term consequences.

  • Roxanne

    Pure troll comment. Smear anyone – even someone who was part of the vaccine industry – for legitimate criticisms raised against the vaccine holy cow.

  • Lou

    Not quite. The Vaccine Industry ASSUMED their “inactivated” live virus cannot be reactivated in the gut. This assumption was INCORRECT in cases.

    Millions of kids paid the price.

    These Idiots have no idea what they are doing. Our kids are being experimented on. When the experiment goes wrong as with SV40 all the vast resources of the Federal Government are employed to cover up the CRIME.

    Sir please learn a little of the history of polio, the various deadly polio vaccines and the VAST SV40 coverup THEN we can talk.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uGWut6IRfA&t=1m

  • diversity

    we can talk already because that is a lie

  • Lou

    Yeah counting on dolts to shake a vial has proved fatal for many poor children.

    Think a little on an Industrial “Technology” which has not fixed this fatal flaw since its inception.

    Do they care? IMO not much.

    They do have accountants who can count EVERY PENNY.

  • Roxanne

    Absurd response. Please tell me what supplement company (and by the way I don’t blanket endorse any
    modality or product but this thread is about vaccines)
    has members within the CDC, AAP etc., pushing for
    a specific supplement to be part of official mandates
    for its use in newborns, children entering school, nurses etc. on the job??? What parent has to seek an
    “EXEMPTION” so that their child will not be routinely administered a herbal schedule through the school???
    Not surprised that someone who defends the use of
    NON-INERT placebos – a violation of fundamental scientific integrity – is blind to vaccine voodoo which routinely includes no look – no find – no report for carcinogenicity, mutagenic potential, impaired fertility,
    auto-immune disorders.
    “I have minutes from a CDC Study Groups Meeting on Hepatitis B vaccine held in March, 1997. The minutes of the meeting show that it would take at least a 60 day study to show onset of MS. Clinical studies done by the two manufacturers were four and five days in length, respectively. It should be noted that the afternoon session of this meeting was chaired by Dr. Robert Sharrar of Merck. Can an employee of a pharmaceutical company that manufacture the vaccine be objective to show fault in a product that generates close to billion dollars in sales for his company?” Betty Fluck RN, Testimony for U.S. House of Representatives, 5/18/99
    “The CDC routinely allows scientists with blatant conflicts of interest to serve on influential advisory committees… for which they are supposed to be providing unbiased oversight.”
    Dan Burton, former U.S. Congressional Representative

    “Members of the CDC’s Vaccine Advisory Committee get money from vaccines manufacturers. Relationships include: sharing a vaccine patent; owning stock in a vaccine company, payments for research getting money to monitor manufacturer’s tests and funding academic departments.” UPI (United Press International) Investigates the Vaccine Conflict

    “The vaccine industry gives millions to the American Academy of Pediatrics for conference grants medical education classes, even to help build their headquarters. The totals are kept secret but public documents reveal pieces $342,000 was given by Wyeth maker of the pneumococcal vaccine; $433,000 was contributed to the Academy by Merck the same year the Academy endorsed Merck’s HPV vaccine… Then there’s Paul Offit perhaps the most widely quoted author of vaccine safety. He has gone so far as to say that babies can theoretically tolerate 10,000 vaccines at once… Dr. Offit holds a $1.5 million research chair at Children’s Hospital funded by Merck… The AAP, ‘Every Child by Two’ and Dr. Offit wouldn’t agree to interviews but all told us they’re up front about the money they receive and it doesn’t sway their opinion.” CBS, ‘How Independent Are Vaccine Defenders’, 7/25/08

  • Lou

    Yes Medicine which cannot kill you is NOT the modern way.

    How much better to inject 100 billion mercury (the second most toxic substance on earth) atoms directly into the blood streams of 12 gram fetuses.

    MANY of our modern medical modalities have great RISK for the puny reward; they often do not give. Think of the hundreds of billions spent on giving helpless children with an earache “antibiotics”. This sets the stage for much “vaccine” damage.

    They do generate TRILLIONS of dollars/year in revenue. Clearly the way to go.

    How to create Disease and Death with the Industrial Medicine Industry INC.

    1) “Vaccine” kids lose
    2) “Vaccine” induced Earache kids lose
    3) “Antibiotics” kids lose
    4) “Antibiotics” induced gut damage kids lose
    5) Next “Vaccination” on the top of gut damage kids lose

    “LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE It starts almost at birth – you know, the ear infection thing. Otitis media, they call it. At the slightest redness around the ear, or the slightest little sniffle, any good mother will drag her baby into any good doctor for a checkup, right? Prescription? Antibiotics. Yes m’am, we’ll kill those bad bugs
    before they ever get a chance to get started. Antibiotics are for what? That’s right – bacteria. But according to the NEJM, 28 Jan 99, at least 41% of otitis media is caused by virus. But they get antibiotics anyway, as often as not because the parents insist on getting them. And that’s for the cases which actually are otitis media, not even counting all the rashes, allergies, or little traumas which are misdiagnosed as otitis media. Drug of choice:amoxicillin, even though doctors have known since 1991 that kids who take amoxicillin for simple otitis media have a 2-6 times greater chance of recurring infection than kids who don’t. (JAMA, 18 Dec 1991)”

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_antibiotic.htm
    The Doctor Within

  • Argus

    Tell us, Claudia or disqus_k3oycamN0W, how many of the pediatric vaccines that are in use now come in multi-dose vials? How many contain thimerosal or any other form of mercury as a preservative?
    What good is your “advice” when it is based on products that have not been used in over ten years?

  • elnura

    No one believes you are a doctor because you are so narrow minded. Aren’t Doctors suppose to keep an open mind? Aren’t Doctors suppose to look for answers no matter where they are? Aren’t doctors suppose to do what’s in the best interest of their patient and that means exploring both sides of an issue so as to provide the best care possible? Aren’t Doctors suppose to do no harm? If a parent came to you and stated that their child was healthy and happy until they were vaccinated and with 48 hours the child became withdrawn, nonvocal, morose and having severs intestinal issues, what would you do? If the mom stated this didn’t start until 48 hours after an MMR or the pertussis vaccine or any of the others, what would you say to her? Would go against the flow and say it could be the vaccine, lets look deeper into this or would you give the standard BS line it couldn’t be the vaccines they have been tested and proven safe? Considering, from your comments here, you have never studied the information about the danger of vaccines. You call people anti-vaxx as if it’s a dirty word but I would bet a anti-vaxxer would know more about vaccines than you do.

    No one on this site is brainwashed or indoctrinated. We have the unique experience of seeing with clarity both sides of the vaccine issue and when you compare the two-one comes to understand there is no science behind vaccines. Just the fact that you are unaware that Polio is not eradicated just lurking under different names clearly demonstrates who is brainwashed. The data still exist on polio and Doctors from those years have written many book on the failure of the vaccines. Small town newspapers wrote on the failure of the vaccine. Scientists and medical Doctors wrote on the failure of the vaccine yet you are so brainwashed, even with Jonas Salk himself saying the vaccine was the sole cause of Polio, refuse to believe it was a failure. When you make anything sacrosanct, such as vaccines, that makes it and the people who promote it dangerous. Not because it such a wonderful, safe & useful product, but because it cuts into their financia bottom line.

  • elnura

    Of
    course it does. If you cannot effectively communicate here, how can you
    effectively communicate with patients.

  • Ed

    I don’t know if everyone is aware, but just a couple weeks after the episode aired, it was announced Katie Kouric’s show is canceled! Hmmmm, wonder why.

  • Ed

    Actually, there are still multidose vaccines, DTp and MMR (both given more than once, I think my stepdaughter has received 7 doses!). Also, the still make the vaccines with mercury and then “filter” it out…. Therefore, they can say it doesn’t contain mercury. You should do a bit more research before making snotty comments. Also, 10 years ago, they claimed all of those shots to be safe….. yet, have had to change them. Not safe then and not safe now

  • Ed

    LMAO! I wonder how much they get paid. How do you even find a job being a troll???

  • Ed

    I think we should stop engaging trolls. They are simply trying to antagonize and start bad blood between the two sides of the discussions. Maybe when they post something stupid, one person comment with correct info, then ignore them.

  • diversity

    Where did I fail to communicate? “I ain’t” is used by southerners all day and night

  • diversity

    First of all: I am open minded. I sometimes call in natural physicians that cure with plant extracts if the patient wishes, but i of course monitor the preocess. some people might call homeopathy pseudo science or placebo but I have seen that it works. Children becoming nonvocal and withdrawn is no reason to worry. and when their tummy hurts they mostly have problems with digestion (who would have thought … ) When the mom states that this happened after the vaccine I assure her that this has no consequence on the infant because this is a coincidence. since i see 100 of children walking out after the shot with no problems i am very confident.
    I AINT EVEN BOTHER questioning the vaccine because I know it is not the case. ;)

    I call people anti vaxxers as if it was a dirty word because they are a menace to society.

    There is no science behind vaccines????? where do they come from, when no science is involved? where did polio, pertussis and co go when no science is involved?

    Did you watch the debate with Bill Nye and this ignorant “museum” guy Ken Ham? Mr Ham has hundreds of scientists that try to find an evidence for a story, instead of finding a story for evidence. Anti vacciners remind me of this. you make studies and try to prove that vacccines dont work and cause diseases, instead of trying to figure out what caused the disease

  • sabelmouse

    it seems plain crazy to me to meddle with diseases that we have adapted to quite well, that most of us survive well, especially when we know what influences outcomes toward positive or negative. our hubris will be our undoing.already is.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    One troll “community organizer” is tort lawyer Dorit Reiss, the one who came with proposal on behalf of vaccine industry to bring criminal charges against parents for not vaccinating. She is on every site where vaccine are mentioned (under her own name), may type thousands of lines a day. Dorit (unlike several trolls who post in tandem with her, and then “like” each other) never uses dirty language. Her favorite tactic is to demand from parents “causative” evidence, that their daughters died, indeed, from Gardasil, dismissing everything the parents say as “anecdotal”. When presented with links to the studies (not financed by vaccine industry) that show the evidence, for example the link to autopsy report, that show 2 girls died of vascular inflammation of the brain and had vaccine HPV strains and aluminum ajuvant at the site of inflammation – means poison crossed blood brain barrier!) – she either types something dismissive , or , mysteriously, the comment with a link disappears from the discussion. Often moderator will delete all comments by the same blogger, just in case the blogger brought facts embarrasing to vaccine industry somewhere else. The one place where this is going on is Katie Couric blog on Gardasil damage -two weeks after the show, the vaccine industry forced Katie to to issue statement that she was wrong to talk about vaccine damage and her blog was taken .If you want to look at the link to this autopsy results, I can try to find it again.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Dear Argus, that is what vaccine industry should tell consumers, not other way around. They know. Do not expect honest (and embarrasing) statistics to be released by vaccine industry though. They would rather spend millions (often of taxpayers) money for misinformation and intimidation of honest scientists and even bloggers. Maker of Vioxx and Gardasil Merck even had “a hit list” for inconvenient scientists, as revealed by Merck own insider whistleblowers.
    Thimerosal is creeping back in the US (it is forbidden in Europe), with flu vaccine and hepatitis B being the most overloaded with it.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    One more link to several articles showing Thimerosal is still in vaccines in the US and causing damage. United Nations is considering ban on mercury in vaccines worldwide. I don’t think they will dare to upset Pharma.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/thimerosal.html

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Roxanne , I already posted the question, but looks like it disappeared, With your knowledge about vaccines and wealth of information, can you write a book?
    I would be the first to buy it.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    Flu and tetanus are what the county health dept and Walgreens just told me come in mutilple dose vials. The flu vax does contain Thimerosol. Argus, why don’t you do your own research before you open mouth and insert foot, or are you another one of the trolls?

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    Well I tried again last night, begging my educator nephew to educate himself and met with a total brick wall. The man should have been a mason instead of a teacher. He accused me of searching the web just to find articles that supported my beliefs even though I merely suggested that he do his OWN research and passed along some of the safety advice I have read, like the single dose vials and vaxes one at a time, instead of so many at once. I did send him the article that came out about the FDA and CDC finally admitting that the whooping cough vax is ineffective as the disease has mutated and that it is actually what has been causing the outbreaks but he didn’t budge and I imagine he didn’t even read it. I don’t get it, I just don’t get it. I wanted to ask him what he would tell his students if he asked them to do a research paper and they only came back with one side of an issue and refused to investigate the other? I wanted to ask him exactly who he could hear the info from and believe it. I don’t get how an educated parent can just turn a totally blind eye and refuse to even look at both sides if there is even a 1 in a million chance that something could go wrong. How do companies get people brainwashed like that?
    If any of you are prayers out there, please pray that Luke and Laura will somehow have their eyes opened quickly as baby boy is due any day now. Thanks

  • elnura

    I’m
    in the south quite frequently, converse with family members and other in the
    community when I’m there and “ain’t” is not something I heard often. Certainly
    not by the professionals I visited with. You’re just no believable. Question:
    why are you spending time tying to convince people of who and what you are? Why
    do you care?

  • elnura

    Yes,
    I am aware. Another example of what can happen if you dare to cross Big Pharma.
    This is a warning to all journalist.

  • Argus

    Are you trying to be disingenuous, Claudia, or are you really that ignorant? You two were discussing vaccines given in the pediatrician’s office, so I specifically asked about PEDIATRIC vaccines.
    Obviously, you cannot find any, ask they no longer exist as I pointed out.

  • Argus

    MMR contains thimerosal, Ed? Really? Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
    There’s a very good reason that MMR never has and never will contain a preservative. Do you know what it is?

  • Argus

    That’s probably good advice for you, Ed, as you only make a fool of yourself as you did below with your claim that MMR contains thimerosal.

  • Argus

    “that is what the vaccine industry should tell consumers . . .”
    This is your answer? Really? Pretending like this information is not being made available?
    Are you unable to access the CDC website, numerous other healthcare websites, the FDA or manufacturer’s website?
    For those that don’t know, a common ploy is to claim that certain information doesn’t exist, or is being “hidden”. That saves from having to answer to certain inconvenient facts.
    Another ploy is to change the subject.
    Massive fail, discus_

  • Lou

    EVERY “vaccination” contains mercury. Show me one quantitative analysis to the nanogram level that does not.

  • Lou

    You cannot cross Big Vaccination INC. and remain on our “peoples” air waves.

  • Lou

    Now you ARE correct in that the MMR contains a LOT less mercury than the HepB which injects MANY billions of atoms of mercury into a baby out of the womb for a few hours.

    And we think “primitive” societies are barbaric.

    “Hepatitis B vaccine has been shown in many peer-reviewed research papers to be associated with numerous infant deaths in
    the U.S. and Europe, multiple sclerosis and numerous chronic autoimmune disorders.” Doctor Joseph Mercola MD

    “For most children, the risk of a serious vaccine reaction may be 100 times greater than the risk of hepatitis B.” Doctor Jane Orient MD, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_hep%20B.htm

  • elnura

    MMR contains trace amount of mercury which cannot be filtered out during the purification process. This is admitted by the CDC. There is no safe level of mercury that can injected into the human body.

    Removal of mercury-thimerosal is strictly voluntary. Not only that but testing of the product is voluntary as well as making any reports to the CDC & FDA-voluntary.

    Read the emails between a parent of a child with Autism and CDC/FDA employees:

    EMAILS FROM CDC AND FDA ON VACCINES AND MERCURY
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2007/12/emails-from-cdc.html

    To sum it up neither the CDC or FDA know for a fact IF thimerosal has been removed from vaccines at all. It probably hasn’t been because from what the vaccine industry complains about it’s an expensive process that they really don’t want to put the money into. This would explain the continual rise in Autism since 2001.

    I’ve never been able to find out what did the vaccine makers do with all the doses of mercury laden vaccines that were already on the shelves from 2001 until they supposeably began the removal process? Did they do what was done with the polio vaccine? Continue to use the stock until it was depleted? According to the Simpsonwood transcripts the vaccine industry, Who, CDC, FDA, ION, IOH and the others were not even considering removing thimerosal from vaccines that went to third world countries. Who’s to say, since no one was checking that they just continued to do business as usual here in the US?

  • elnura

    MMR contains a trace amount of thimerosal. It’s used in the developing process and supposeably filtered out during the purification process which is CDC/FDA propaganda because they cannot purify vaccines. It just makes people feel good who read about vaccines from their websites.

    In a paper entitled ‘Isolation and Identification of Measles Virus in Cell Culture,’ the US Government’s leading virus research institution, the CDC, currently lays out how isolation of this virus should be done.

    It instructs; first obtain from a patient suspected of having measles a small sample of urine or fluid from the nose or mouth.

    Next, states the CDC, prepare a culture of cells from marmoset monkeys by making these cancerous and giving them Epstein-Barr disease!

    Cells from this species of monkeys, it informs us, are ’10,000 times’ more sensitive to the measles virus than are normal human cells (i.e. they are much more likely to fall gravely ill in this experiment).

    The monkey cells are then settled into a monolayer (one cell deep layer) in a laboratory vessel. (The measles and MMR vaccine manufacturers are currently using instead cells from mashed chicken embryos rather than from very expensive marmoset monkeys.)

    Next, using rubber gloves and splash goggles, add to the cells a dangerous toxin called trypsin.

    The CDC tells us to expect some of the cells to fall off the sides of the vessel as if they have been poisoned. They have been. It then instructs: add nutrients and glucose and leave the cells alone for two or three days so they can recover.

    Next add to the cell culture the sample gathered from the patient and place the culture in a warm incubation chamber. After an hour, inspect these cells with a microscope to see if are rounded, distorted, or
    floating free as they were after trypsin was added. If they are, the CDC calls this proof that measles virus is present and causing this illness! If 50% of the cells are now distorted, the CDC tells scientists to put this cell culture in the fridge as an “isolated measles-virus stock!”

    This will contain many particles and toxins from terribly sick monkey cells – yet it is said to be an ‘isolate’ that may be used for a measles vaccine! In fact, no measles-like symptoms have been observed in the culture. The CDC does not even look to see if the measles virus were present. It is the fluid filtered off from such an incubator that is used as a vaccine. When I read this paper, I was horrified by the inadequacy of the science. (Janine Roberts)

    The child vaccinated would have to produce many antibodies against all the contaminants – irrespective of whether they were measles virus.

    I found that John Enders, the scientist who developed the measles vaccine in 1954, said he had modelled its development on the work he had done to help make the polio vaccines. His team first obtained some fluid, ‘throat washings and blood’, from an 11-year-old boy with
    measles called David Edmonston. When this was added to ‘human post-natal’ cells, these cells fell ill. This was taken as indicating a measles virus might be present. This cell culture was then added to human cervical cancer cells (HeLa) and to ‘human carcinoma cells’. The
    cells became still sicker. When the microscope then revealed ‘giant multinuclear cells’ in the cultures, they took this as a sign that the measles virus had distorted them, not that the cancers were becoming more malignant.

    When they tested the resulting cell culture fluid in Cynomologus monkeys, they found some got a ‘mild’ illness that in ‘some aspects’ was like measles. This was taken as evidence that this toxic fluid was a ‘measles virus isolate’. They called it the ‘Edmonston’ isolate after
    the name of the boy.They then transfered this process over to using bird cells rather than monkey cells in order to save costs in making vaccines. Enders at first failed in his attempt to grow the ‘Edmonston’sample in cheap fertilized bird eggs. But then he thought – maybe the
    highly distorted cell culture produced after 42 passages through human and monkey cell cultures might be what they needed. He gave this fluid another 9 passages though amnion cells. It now contained mutant cells
    with ‘fusiform and stellate’ shapes.

    He then added this to fertilised eggs. ‘After incubating for 9 days at 35 degrees’ in ‘developing chicks,’ some chick cells took on the same deformed shapes that he had earlier seen and blamed solely on the unseen virus. He and his colleagues then concluded that the resulting
    cell culture was ‘the most suitable material for the preparation of vaccines’ and that their method would ‘also greatly reduce the cost of manufacture’ Thus the ‘Edmonston strain’ became the basis of our current
    vaccines. This is also how the measles vaccine became as contaminated. It is made from and contains mutated particles from poisoned bird cells, some of which, the vaccine safety experts confessed, might cause ‘autoimmune diseases and cancers’ in the vaccinated. Could this contamination also have a role in causing Autism Spectrum Disorders? Could injecting such a fluid into our children overwhelm the immune systems of some – or do some other long term damage?

    It seems all the major live or dead virus vaccines were developed similarly. It is to this contaminated fluid that mercury or aluminium is sometimes added.

    I have not mentioned one final addition to the vaccines – the preserving and antibiotic chemicals added to the doses. The manufacturer of a MMR vaccine noted:
    ‘The finished product contains the following excipients: sucrose, hydrolysed gelatin (porcine), sorbitol, monosodium glutamate, sodium phosphate, sodium bicarbonate, potassium phosphate and Medium 199 with
    Hanks’ Salts, Minimum Essential Medium Eagle (MEM), neomycin, phenol red, hydrochloric acid and sodium hydroxide.’ What these chemicals might do was not discussed at these workshops.

    Janine Roberts “Fear of the Invisible”
    http://reaids.com/fearoftheinvisible.com/introduction-to-the-book.html
    multiple resources at website.

  • elnura

    No, I didn’t the debate. I chose to spend time with my grandchildren.

    There is no science behind vaccines?????
    Since you firmly believe there is please provide the following:

    -please provide
    one INDEPENDENT double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and
    effectiveness of vaccines? (no vaccine/CDC/FDA or money people financed study. No researchers with any ties to big pharma or the government)

    - please
    provide scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety
    and effectiveness of vaccines?

    - please
    provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part
    of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of
    populations?

    I AINT EVEN BOTHER questioning the vaccine because I know it is not the case. ;)

    Here’s the problem. The vaccine industry and its minions have made vaccine sacrosanct. Therefore the first commandment of assessing a child who is ill is: thou shall not question the almighty vaccine.
    Which means you have already violated your oath as a Doctor when you vow or pledge to do no harm. By not putting vaccine damage on the table, you’ve done harm in a way that may not be reversible. That makes you a big part of the problem rather than a conduit for a solution that a healing could flow from.

  • Roxanne

    Thanks kindly, disqus, for the compliment. I really don’t think I’m more knowledgeable than some of the others on this thread and really appreciate what I learn from you, Elnura, Lou, Lowell, Jeff etc…. There is so much to learn, research, review that it’s a never ending quest to stay on top of things for any of us.
    I think my strength is having a good overview of broad issues, a fairly good memory for details, and sharing info/links etc. that are also available to others to.
    However, it’s really passion that drives me, just as it drives others who post on VT who are appalled at the mass devastation that is decimating not only children, but seniors, adults, and pets as a consequence of the vaccine propaganda machine. I woke up to vaccine lies in the 1990′s through a series of events that forced me to confront and question that which I had never questioned before, but oh, how I so wish my parents had known
    about vaccine myths when I was growing up!
    It would be wonderful to have an event where concerned citizens from all over could meet for some days and
    network and share info directly with each other. Not easy these days, with everyone being so busy and budget
    concerns, but I’d love to attend something of this nature.
    Thanks again for your comment… How did you get
    involved in the issue?

  • Roxanne

    So sorry, Claudia, to hear how resistant your nephew is to
    looking critically at vaccines. It only goes to show how deeply embedded the vaccine Trojan horse is in our society.
    I don’t know how stressful the situation is between the two
    of you, but I still think that as the Hep B (besides the “vit K)
    is the first shot given, that if you could somehow print out
    that list of studies on the Hep B vaccine at the studies link
    of the thinktwice website and somehow get it into his hands
    and then say, “I won’t say anything more but please just look at this”, that there may be a slim chance of saving the baby from the Hep B shot. Then again, I don’t know the situation between you two so, you can only do your best. I applaud you for doing the right thing and trying to make a difference.
    It’s so painful to see mere newborns assaulted by the poisoned needle, but especially a family member, so my heart really goes out to you.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    Roxanne, thank you so much for your kindness and listening, it really helps just to be able to unload with someone so understanding. Even if I got it into his hands he wouldn’t pay attention to it. I mentioned the hep B vax last night and suggested he research it but like I said, he won’t hear it. Maybe if God himself came down and shouted in his ear it would, but I doubt even that. You know the really funny thing is, his mom is my older sister and she has always been double blind study this and that but when I ask her where the double blind studies are on vaccines she will not even discuss the subject with me. She just insists that vaccines HAVE to be so I know he comes by it honestly, I just have a hard time with that mentality. At this point in time, for my own sanity I am just going to put it in God’s hands and pray for that baby. God Bless

  • Argus

    “EVERY “vaccination” contains mercury. Show me one quantitative analysis to the nanogram level that does not.”
    Well if you are going to lower the threshold to that level, why stop at vaccines? Every medication that can be injected could contain at least one mercury atom per dose. Same for oral medications, homeopathic products, food, water and air.
    Yikes! Almost makes you wonder if the human body doesn’t have a way to handle toxic substances in small amounts by neutralizing and/or excreting them.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    We just chased off one troll and another one appeared instead, as an illustration to this article- rude and ignorant. This Agnuss liked all nutation’s comments, including “See ya, don’t be hit by a door”. Nutation’s supervisor came to her rescue. I feel sorry that I answered his previous comment . Ed is right: we should stop engaging trolls. Nobody is wants to read your insults. Disappear

  • Argus

    Just imagine her saying it in her “Church Lady” voice!

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Ed , you are right, we should stop engaging trolls. We just chased away one troll, nutation”, and her supervisor troll came to her rescue, as an illustration to the article – rude and ignorant. This “A gnuss” hit like on all nutation’s insults, including “See ya, don’t be hit by a door”. So he is a troll and we should ignore him, no matter how much nonsense he types. I feel sorry I answered his comment,

  • cheleagh

    i have been putting up on sites something similar to this yet i rarely get a response. None actually for some time, but had 2 lately. Nothing of substance though.
    The SAVN site had no good answer. The main answer they gave me was to block me and delete my comments. And I was always polite and respectful.

    Good work Roxanne.

  • diversity

    In colleges you get these studies for free but when you want to spend $ 36 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673610608896

    There are so many more. btw for several diseases that even prove the decline of diseases.

    I have never done harm with vaccines aswell as my fellow colleagues.

    Well grandma, have fun with your grandchildren but you shouldnt tell them lies about something you dont fully understand

  • diversity

    You just need to turn on the TV and watch all the hillbilly shows on discovery channel ;)

    Aswer: because not knowing is dangerous.

  • Roxanne

    You can only do what you can, and certainly you’ve tried.
    One never knows and can only hope that the seeds you’ve
    planted may one day open their eyes. Take care and the
    best to your grandnephew, Claudia.

  • Roxanne

    Thanks…Not surprised by the double standard. Respected researcher Neil Miller posted valuable comments on a major news site, and they were never posted, yet appalling language from pro-vaxers was. When he sent off a pointed comment to the monitors asking why his comments were being censored, there was of course, no response and nothing changed. They’ll post the mildest anti-vaccine comments but fear anything too revealing or hard hitting lest naïve readers start to wake up.

  • elnura

    Am I sensing hostility? Are you are equating yourself with
    hillbillies? I don’t think anyone on this board cares who or what you are.
    It’s just not that deep. However you’re the one who made a point of
    identifying yourself as whatever. FYI: I don’t watch reality shows. They are
    just as fraudulent as vaccines.

  • elnura

    I don’t think we chased her awway. From one of Jeff’s comments I think he booted her.

  • diversity

    see thats where you are wrong. Igave you studies independent studies and you still think that vaccines are fraudulent

  • elnura

    Independent study. Just from briefly scanning the Lancet I see names I am familiar with that are in with big pharma. Trolls at least list studies they can access for free from the CDC, you didn’t even try.

    I think everyone on this board understands vaccines to some degree and are not as arrogant to think we don’t have more to learn. We just don’t think we are as perfect apparently as you think you are.

    This is some of what I’ve learned just reading the CDC, FDA, IOM, IOH and various vaccine makers and prominent university professors studies on vaccines from their presentations at the vaccine conferences. Thanks to Janine Roberts who dedicated 17 years of her life to reveal conference information, if one cares to read the reports, one can find out exactly how a vaccine is made and how the immune system works.
    Roberts is a highly respected medical researcher and journalist.

    CDC. Isolation and Identification of Measles Virus in Culture, Revised November 29, 2001.
    In an online paper entitled ‘Isolation and Identification of Measles Virus in Cell Culture,’ the CDC, the central Health Research authority of the USA, lays out how isolation of this virus should be done so it can be used, say for a vaccine. It instructs, first obtain from the patient a small sample of urine or fluid from the nose or mouth.
    Next ‘sacrifice’ a marmoset monkey, take some of its cells, then make these cancerous, perhaps by exposing them to radiation, and then give them, on top of this, Epstein-Barr disease! Such extremely sick cells, the CDC informs us, are ’10,000 times’ more sensitive to the measles virus than are normal human cells.

    Now add to these cells a toxin called trypsin. The CDC tells us to expect some cells to fall off the sides of the vessel as if they have been poisoned. They have been. Now add nutrients and glucose and leave for two or three days so the cells can somewhat recover.

    Now add to the cells the sample gathered from the patient. After an hour, inspect the cells in the culture with a microscope to see if any of the cells are becoming distorted, or are floating free as they did when trypsin was added. If they are, the CDC says this is proof that measles virus is present and making the cells ill.

    This statement made me sit back and think. Why should this illness now be caused by a virus? They had poisoned the cells, made them cancerous….. and now the CDC was saying the cells must be ill because they had measles. Where was the logic in this?

    The next stage involves the addition of two antibiotics, Penicillin and Streptomycin, to the culture and leaving it alone for a day. Again the cells are inspected – and if small holes now appear between cells, it is now presumed that measles virus has caused these. If no sign of such damage, this process is repeated. If after this there are still no signs of damage, then the culture is discarded. However, if 50% or more of the cells are now seriously ill and distorted, the culture is set aside and kept in the fridge as ‘isolated measles virus stock suitable for vaccines!’ All this without actually detecting the virus itself!

    This is the whole process as recommended by the CDC. There is no mention of the need to have a control culture, no mention of any need to isolate the measles virus or even to see it with an electron microscope. The cells are poisoned – and an unseen measles virus is blamed – even thou’ the disease the cells have is totally unlike measles. Where is the logic in this?

    One final addition to the vaccines – the preserving and antibiotic chemicals added to the doses. The manufacturer of a MMR vaccine noted: ‘The finished product contains the following excipients: sucrose, hydrolysed gelatin (porcine), sorbitol, monosodium glutamate, sodium phosphate, sodium bicarbonate, potassium phosphate and Medium 199 with Hanks’ Salts, Minimum Essential Medium Eagle (MEM), neomycin, phenol red, hydrochloric acid and sodium hydroxide.’

    Dr Minor, the UK’s top vaccine safety officer, then added: ‘So even today then you have to bear in mind that a large amount of vaccine that’s made is made on really quite crude materials, from an adventitious agent point of view. It’s not a trivial usage. In fact, when consider what vaccines are actually made on these days, they are quite primitive in some respects.’ Fear of the Invisible; Janine Roberts. Chapter:Highly contaminated vaccines. Many more links and actual transcripts in her books.

    http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber05.html#VaccinesandRelatedBiological

    http://www.fda.gov/cber/advisory/vrbp/vrbpmain.htm

    http://www.emea.eu.int/humandocs/PDFs/EPAR/mmrvaxpro/060406en6.pdf.

    -Well, that’s assuming that we’re not going to have any capability to produce a vaccine unless they’re allowed to make hundreds of millions of dollars of profit, which is certainly not true. If we look at the science of the vaccination process itself, it’s becoming evident that the way they do the immunizations, the vaccine of sticking it into the muscle of your arm and your leg actually suppresses a lot of your immune system, particularly in young children. We found out that in fact it causes the immune system to switch to what we call TH2 type cytokine production, which inhibits immunity. And your major protection against virus, particularly the really virulent, deadly viruses and bacteria is your cellular immunity. Well vaccines don’t stimulate cellular immunity at all; in fact, they suppress it. It’s known if you look on the CDC site they’ll tell you that for instance if a child gets a HIB vaccine for two weeks they’re much more likely to get HIB and to die from it than they would if you didn’t give them the vaccine. We see the same thing with the MMR vaccine, the measles or rubella virus is an immunosuppressant, just like the HIV virus. Dr. Russell Blaylock

    - We have known for decades that getting the childhood diseases naturally results in a permanent immunity to the specific microorganism. Getting the vaccines results in a temporary immunity, meaning that susceptibility is deferred and repeated booster shots will be required for the ENTIRE life of the individual. In the 80s, the specific immune mechanisms involved in vaccine-induced immunity was discerned. In the 90s, the same mechanisms in humans were explored. T cells (thymus cells) are the major cell in the immune system; they direct and control all immune responses as well as immune memory. Subsets of T cells are the T-helper cells (Th). T-helper cells coordinate and direct the safest and most effective immune response. Using Moskowitz’s measles example, we know that, when infected with the measles virus naturally via the nasopharyngeal route, the body produces a Th1 response that externalizes the infection and provides permanent immunity.1 Fever, rash, coughing, sneezing, etc are signs of the body ridding itself of this infection. Bypassing the normal body lines of defense by injecting a vaccine forces the immune system into an emergency-based Th2 response which serves to internalize the infection. You don’t get the disease but are susceptible to the disease later since the Th2 response results in poor immune memory. So, if a natural, viral (measles) infection results in a Th1 response, why don’t we make vaccines that could elicit the same response. (To put this simply, Th2 cell response is not a precursor to initiating immunity. Th2 cell response induces an INFLAMMATORY response, locally and internally. TH1 cytokines intiates a immune response because it is stimulates via the “normal immune route” of the nose, throat, mouth, ears eyes etc.)
    In 1995, Golding and Scott,2 published the need for strategies to make vaccines that would generate the “required” Th cell to the corresponding microorganism. Since that time, attempts to produce vaccines that would generate a “natural”- type response have failed. So, we are left with vaccines that generate “protective” responses as a second choice. How does this work? In vaccine-induced Th2 responses, called humoral responses, the body produces large quantities of specific antibodies that block the virus from entering cells. This response is why a vaccinated child doesn’t get a full blown infection and why the child won’t spread as many viruses into the environment. However, antibodies cannot get into cells to eliminate viruses once the viruses are in the cells or cannot kill infected cells themselves. Therefore, the body has no choice other than to internalize the virus and be chronically infected when the body is forced into a Th2 antibody response. The body is essentially constipated with viruses that it cannot expel! Dr. Mendelson-Whale.

    You may find this interesting: Viruses Can Recover Virulence Principles of Vaccination by Sylvie Simon Translated by Harry Clarke: http://whale.to/a/simon.html

    -we all wait for an Independent study on the safety and effectiveness of vaccines and the fact that they work at all.

    -you didn’t provide any information of any scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    -nor did you provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

  • elnura

    Independent study. Just from briefly scanning the Lancet I see names I am familiar with that are in with big pharma. Trolls at least list studies they can access for free from the CDC, you didn’t even try.

    I think everyone on this board understands vaccines to some degree and are not as arrogant to think we don’t have more to learn. We just don’t think we are as perfect apparently as you think you are.

    This is some of what I’ve learned just reading the CDC, FDA, IOM, IOH and various vaccine makers and prominent university professors studies on vaccines from their presentations at the vaccine conferences. Thanks to Janine Roberts who dedicated 17 years of her life to reveal conference information, if one cares to read the reports, one can find out exactly how a vaccine is made and how the immune system works.
    Roberts is a highly respected medical researcher and journalist.

    CDC. Isolation and Identification of Measles Virus in Culture, Revised November 29, 2001.
    In an online paper entitled ‘Isolation and Identification of Measles Virus in Cell Culture,’ the CDC, the central Health Research authority of the USA, lays out how isolation of this virus should be done so it can be used, say for a vaccine. It instructs, first obtain from the patient a small sample of urine or fluid from the nose or mouth.
    Next ‘sacrifice’ a marmoset monkey, take some of its cells, then make these cancerous, perhaps by exposing them to radiation, and then give them, on top of this, Epstein-Barr disease! Such extremely sick cells, the CDC informs us, are ’10,000 times’ more sensitive to the measles virus than are normal human cells.

    Now add to these cells a toxin called trypsin. The CDC tells us to expect some cells to fall off the sides of the vessel as if they have been poisoned. They have been. Now add nutrients and glucose and leave for two or three days so the cells can somewhat recover.

    Now add to the cells the sample gathered from the patient. After an hour, inspect the cells in the culture with a microscope to see if any of the cells are becoming distorted, or are floating free as they did when trypsin was added. If they are, the CDC says this is proof that measles virus is present and making the cells ill.

    This statement made me sit back and think. Why should this illness now be caused by a virus? They had poisoned the cells, made them cancerous….. and now the CDC was saying the cells must be ill because they had measles. Where was the logic in this?

    The next stage involves the addition of two antibiotics, Penicillin and Streptomycin, to the culture and leaving it alone for a day. Again the cells are inspected – and if small holes now appear between cells, it is now presumed that measles virus has caused these. If no sign of such damage, this process is repeated. If after this there are still no signs of damage, then the culture is discarded. However, if 50% or more of the cells are now seriously ill and distorted, the culture is set aside and kept in the fridge as ‘isolated measles virus stock suitable for vaccines!’ All this without actually detecting the virus itself!

    This is the whole process as recommended by the CDC. There is no mention of the need to have a control culture, no mention of any need to isolate the measles virus or even to see it with an electron microscope. The cells are poisoned – and an unseen measles virus is blamed – even thou’ the disease the cells have is totally unlike measles. Where is the logic in this?

    One final addition to the vaccines – the preserving and antibiotic chemicals added to the doses. The manufacturer of a MMR vaccine noted: ‘The finished product contains the following excipients: sucrose, hydrolysed gelatin (porcine), sorbitol, monosodium glutamate, sodium phosphate, sodium bicarbonate, potassium phosphate and Medium 199 with Hanks’ Salts, Minimum Essential Medium Eagle (MEM), neomycin, phenol red, hydrochloric acid and sodium hydroxide.’

    Dr Minor, the UK’s top vaccine safety officer, then added: ‘So even today then you have to bear in mind that a large amount of vaccine that’s made is made on really quite crude materials, from an adventitious agent point of view. It’s not a trivial usage. In fact, when consider what vaccines are actually made on these days, they are quite primitive in some respects.’ Fear of the Invisible; Janine Roberts. Chapter:Highly contaminated vaccines. Many more links and actual transcripts in her books.

    http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber05.html#VaccinesandRelatedBiological

    http://www.fda.gov/cber/advisory/vrbp/vrbpmain.htm

    http://www.emea.eu.int/humandocs/PDFs/EPAR/mmrvaxpro/060406en6.pdf.

    -Well, that’s assuming that we’re not going to have any capability to produce a vaccine unless they’re allowed to make hundreds of millions of dollars of profit, which is certainly not true. If we look at the science of the vaccination process itself, it’s becoming evident that the way they do the immunizations, the vaccine of sticking it into the muscle of your arm and your leg actually suppresses a lot of your immune system, particularly in young children. We found out that in fact it causes the immune system to switch to what we call TH2 type cytokine production, which inhibits immunity. And your major protection against virus, particularly the really virulent, deadly viruses and bacteria is your cellular immunity. Well vaccines don’t stimulate cellular immunity at all; in fact, they suppress it. It’s known if you look on the CDC site they’ll tell you that for instance if a child gets a HIB vaccine for two weeks they’re much more likely to get HIB and to die from it than they would if you didn’t give them the vaccine. We see the same thing with the MMR vaccine, the measles or rubella virus is an immunosuppressant, just like the HIV virus. Dr. Russell Blaylock

    - We have known for decades that getting the childhood diseases naturally results in a permanent immunity to the specific microorganism. Getting the vaccines results in a temporary immunity, meaning that susceptibility is deferred and repeated booster shots will be required for the ENTIRE life of the individual. In the 80s, the specific immune mechanisms involved in vaccine-induced immunity was discerned. In the 90s, the same mechanisms in humans were explored. T cells (thymus cells) are the major cell in the immune system; they direct and control all immune responses as well as immune memory. Subsets of T cells are the T-helper cells (Th). T-helper cells coordinate and direct the safest and most effective immune response. Using Moskowitz’s measles example, we know that, when infected with the measles virus naturally via the nasopharyngeal route, the body produces a Th1 response that externalizes the infection and provides permanent immunity.1 Fever, rash, coughing, sneezing, etc are signs of the body ridding itself of this infection. Bypassing the normal body lines of defense by injecting a vaccine forces the immune system into an emergency-based Th2 response which serves to internalize the infection. You don’t get the disease but are susceptible to the disease later since the Th2 response results in poor immune memory. So, if a natural, viral (measles) infection results in a Th1 response, why don’t we make vaccines that could elicit the same response. (To put this simply, Th2 cell response is not a precursor to initiating immunity. Th2 cell response induces an INFLAMMATORY response, locally and internally. TH1 cytokines intiates a immune response because it is stimulates via the “normal immune route” of the nose, throat, mouth, ears eyes etc.)
    In 1995, Golding and Scott,2 published the need for strategies to make vaccines that would generate the “required” Th cell to the corresponding microorganism. Since that time, attempts to produce vaccines that would generate a “natural”- type response have failed. So, we are left with vaccines that generate “protective” responses as a second choice. How does this work? In vaccine-induced Th2 responses, called humoral responses, the body produces large quantities of specific antibodies that block the virus from entering cells. This response is why a vaccinated child doesn’t get a full blown infection and why the child won’t spread as many viruses into the environment. However, antibodies cannot get into cells to eliminate viruses once the viruses are in the cells or cannot kill infected cells themselves. Therefore, the body has no choice other than to internalize the virus and be chronically infected when the body is forced into a Th2 antibody response. The body is essentially constipated with viruses that it cannot expel! Dr. Mendelson-Whale.

    You may find this interesting: Viruses Can Recover Virulence Principles of Vaccination by Sylvie Simon Translated by Harry Clarke: http://whale.to/a/simon.html

    -we all wait for an Independent study on the safety and effectiveness of vaccines and the fact that they work at all.

    -you didn’t provide any information of any scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    -nor did you provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

    What I tell my grandchildren is to look for the Divine Light in every living being. I tell them all of us have a spark of light but in some people it’s difficult to find because it covered because they have allowed themselves to be corrupted. We teach the children to treat everyone with love and compassion even though they may say and do things to try and provoke you into behaving against your higher nature. I tell them to always live their highest Buddha Nature.

  • elnura

    Studies paid for by the pharmaceutical industry are bias. They no longer try to hide it. It has been exposed by dozens of medical journalist and researchers and by the medical community itself. Since you didn’t read what a medical insider pharma shrill wrote an entire book or-how the research study system is broke, you have no understanding of it. This has been going on for decades. There are actual studies on conflict of interest.

    Independent study. Just from briefly scanning the Lancet I see names I am familiar with that are in with big pharma. Researchers today don’t even try and hide their conflict of interest. Trolls at least list studies they can access for free from the CDC, you didn’t even try.

    You’ve stated I and other don’t know how vaccines work yet you have not provided one shred of Independent verifiable data, report or study that indicates you know anything. Instead of providing information, other than the
    Lancet bought & paid for pharma abstract (because it would cost money to access the entire study) you choose to be rude, snarky and combative. I would
    expect this sort of behavior from a child but not a Pediatric Surgeon. When people behave in this manner it shows they are insecure and the behaviors are to
    distract from the obvious.

    To help you out to access information and studies you don’t have to pay for try the CDC and FDA data banks. This is where vaccines makers send original data on how vaccines are made and how they are suppose to
    work is discussed in details, not information cherry picked by peer review studies which many trolls and vaccine apologist feel is the manna of the scientific community despite the fact that every major journal has stated otherwise.

    After Janine Roberts discussed this paper on a radio show in 2009, this paper below disappeared from the CDC website. Sounds familiar? If not, the
    same thing happened in the Summer 2013 with the CDC’s page on Cancer, Simian Virus 40, (SV-40) and Polio Vaccine Fact Sheet.

    How vaccines are made.

    CDC: Isolation and Identification of Measles Virus in Culture, Revised November 29, 2001.

    In an online paper entitled ‘Isolation and Identification of
    Measles Virus in Cell Culture,’ the CDC, the central Health Research authority of the USA, lays out how isolation of this virus should be done so it can be used, say for a vaccine. It instructs, first obtain from the
    patient a small sample of urine or fluid from the nose or mouth.

    Next ‘sacrifice’ a marmoset monkey, take some of its cells, then make these cancerous, perhaps by exposing them to radiation, and then give them, on top of
    this, Epstein-Barr disease! Such extremely sick cells, the CDC informs us, are ’10,000 times’ more sensitive to the measles virus than are normal human cells.

    Now add to these cells a toxin called trypsin. The CDC tells us to expect some cells to fall off the sides of the vessel as if they have been poisoned. They have been. Now add nutrients and glucose and leave for two or three days so the cells can somewhat recover.

    Now add to the cells the sample gathered from the patient. After an hour, inspect the cells in the culture with a microscope to see if any of the cells are becoming distorted, or are floating free as they did when trypsin was added. If they are, the CDC says this is proof that measles virus is present and making the cells ill.

    This statement made me sit back and think. Why should this illness now be caused by a virus? They had poisoned the cells, made them cancerous….. and
    now the CDC was saying the cells must be ill because they had measles. Where was the logic in this?

    The next stage involves the addition of two antibiotics, Penicillin and Streptomycin, to the culture and leaving it alone for a day. Again the cells are inspected – and if small holes now appear between cells, it is now presumed that measles virus has caused these. If no sign of such damage, this process is repeated. If after this there are still no signs of damage, then the culture is
    discarded. However, if 50% or more of the cells are now seriously ill and distorted, the culture is set aside and kept in the fridge as ‘isolated measles virus stock suitable for vaccines!’ All this without actually detecting the virus itself!

    This is the whole process as recommended by the CDC. There is no mention of the need to have a control culture, no mention of any need to isolate the measles virus or even to see it with an electron microscope. The cells are poisoned – and an unseen measles virus is blamed – even thou’ the disease the cells have is totally unlike measles. Where is the logic in this?

    One final addition to the vaccines – the preserving and antibiotic chemicals added to the doses. The manufacturer of a MMR vaccine noted: ‘The finished
    product contains the following excipients: sucrose, hydrolysed gelatin (porcine), sorbitol, monosodium glutamate, sodium phosphate, sodium bicarbonate,
    potassium phosphate and Medium 199 with Hanks’ Salts, Minimum Essential Medium Eagle (MEM), neomycin, phenol red, hydrochloric acid and sodium hydroxide.’

    Dr Minor, the UK’s top vaccine safety officer, then added: ‘So even today then you have to bear in mind that a large amount of vaccine that’s made is made on really quite crude materials, from an adventitious agent point of
    view. It’s not a trivial usage. In fact, when consider what vaccines are actually made on these days, they are quite primitive in some respects.’
    Fear of the Invisible; Janine Roberts. Chapter: Highly
    contaminated vaccines.
    Many more links and actual transcripts of in her books.

    Transcripts from: NIH Emergency Workshop on SV40 in 1997, 1998, 1999 in Washington, D. C. Meeting titled: Vaccines and related Products Committee Meeting (VRBPC)

    FDA Advisory Committees: CBER 2005 Meeting Documents http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber05.html#VaccinesandRelatedBiological

    http://www.fda.gov/cber/advisory/vrbp/vrbpmain.htm

    http://www.emea.eu.int/humandocs/PDFs/EPAR/mmrvaxpro/060406en6.pdf.

    http://www.fda.gov/AdvisoryCommittees/CommitteesMeetingMaterials/BloodVaccinesandOtherBiologics/VaccinesandRelatedBiologicalProductsAdvisoryCommittee/default.htm

    -Well, that’s assuming that we’re not going to have any
    capability to produce a vaccine unless they’re allowed to make hundreds of millions of dollars of profit, which is certainly not true. If we look at the science of the vaccination process itself, it’s becoming evident that the way they do the immunizations, the vaccine of sticking it into the muscle of your arm and your leg actually
    suppresses a lot of your immune system, particularly in young children. We found out that in fact it causes the immune system to switch to what we call TH2 type
    cytokine production, which inhibits immunity. And your major protection against virus, particularly the really virulent, deadly viruses and bacteria is your
    cellular immunity. Well vaccines don’t stimulate cellular immunity at all; in fact, they suppress it. It’s known if you look on the CDC site they’ll tell you that for instance if a child gets a HIB vaccine for two weeks they’re
    much more likely to get HIB and to die from it than they would if you didn’t give them the vaccine. We see the same thing with the MMR vaccine, the measles
    or rubella virus is an immunosuppressant, just like the HIV virus. Dr. Russell Blaylock

    - We have known for decades that getting the
    childhood diseases naturally results in a permanent immunity to the specific microorganism. Getting the vaccines results in a temporary immunity, meaning
    that susceptibility is deferred and repeated booster shots will be required for the ENTIRE life of the individual. In
    the 80s, the specific immune mechanisms involved in vaccine-induced immunity was discerned. In the 90s, the same mechanisms in humans were explored. T cells
    (thymus cells) are the major cell in the immune system; they direct and control all immune responses as well as immune memory. Subsets of T cells are the
    T-helper cells (Th). T-helper cells coordinate and direct the safest and most effective immune response. Using Moskowitz’s measles example, we know that, when infected with the measles virus naturally via the nasopharyngeal route, the body produces a Th1 response that externalizes the infection and provides permanent immunity.1 Fever, rash, coughing, sneezing, etc are signs of the body ridding itself of this infection. Bypassing the normal body lines of defense by injecting a vaccine forces the immune system into an emergency-based Th2 response which serves to internalize the infection. You don’t get the disease but are susceptible to the disease later since the Th2
    response results in poor immune memory. So, if a natural, viral (measles) infection results in a Th1 response, why don’t we make vaccines that could elicit the same response. (To put this simply, Th2 cell response is not a precursor to initiating immunity. Th2 cell response induces an INFLAMMATORY response, locally and internally. TH1 cytokines intiates a immune response because it is stimulates via the “normal immune route” of the nose, throat, mouth, ears eyes etc.)

    In 1995, Golding and Scott,2 published the need for strategies to make vaccines that would generate the “required” Th cell to the corresponding microorganism. Since that time, attempts to produce vaccines that would generate a “natural”- type response have failed. So, we are left with vaccines that generate “protective” responses as a second choice. How does this work? In vaccine-induced Th2 responses, called humoral responses, the body produces large quantities of specific antibodies that block the virus from entering cells. This response is why a vaccinated child doesn’t get a full blown infection and why the child won’t spread as many viruses into the environment. However, antibodies cannot get into cells to eliminate viruses once the viruses are in the cells or cannot kill infected cells themselves. Therefore, the body has no choice other than to internalize the virus and be chronically infected
    when the body is forced into a Th2 antibody response. The body is essentially constipated with viruses that it cannot expel! Dr. Mendelson-Whale.

    You may find this interesting since you stated in
    a comment virus cannot come back to life.

    -Viruses Can Recover Virulence Principles of Vaccination by Sylvie Simon Translated by Harry Clarke: http://whale.to/a/simon.html

    -we all wait for an Independent study on the safety and effectiveness of vaccines and the fact that they work at
    all.

    -you didn’t provide any information of any scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    -nor did you provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

    I will spare you the indignity of calling you a liar, which you seem to take please in doing when someone provides data that can be verified, because your lack of Independent verifiable data, studies or reports speak for themselves.

    Vaccine Facts has hundreds of studies and reports. You may want to check it out: http://www.vacfacts.info/index.html. Also: Dr. Russell Blaylock-http://www.russellblaylockmd.comp. published papers

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    The trolls are getting easier to spot. Let’s not even bother to waste our time engaging with them and just post. “We don’t engage with trolls” in response to their comments whenever they crawl out of their slime holes. It isn’t worth our time and energy. Those who really want to learn and get information will engage in an adult and civilized manner without the two year old name calling. It is interesting that they always demand research but never provide their own. Didn’t your mom always tell you that if you didn’t like someone to just ignore them and they would go away. If they can’t get any response at all they will take their slimy selves elsewhere.

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    Roxanne, I am curious as to your thoughts about this. I may be way off base but tell me what you think. As you probable know, the FDA and the CDC finally admitted that the pertussis vax had mutated and was no longer affective. We know over use of antibiotics basically does the same thing. We are getting into what, third generation vaccine recipients. I am 60 and I got a polio and a TB Vax (I think) and then I had some tetanus shots but I had measles, mumps and rubella as a child. My oldest son is 40 and I do believe he got the MMR and DPT and polio but I didn’t vax my youngest and other than chicken pox, never got sick. I know that our immune systems need the stimulation of germs and bacteria to build themselves up, just as muscles need to be used to stay in top form, the old use it or lose it adage. We know that polio, for instance was already on the decline, naturally, before the vax was introduced, probably because as each generation was exposed, those whose immune systems were able to resist it helped to build up the resistance of each subsequent generation, which is what I understand true herd immunity really is.
    As these diseases, that we used to be able to build immunity to naturally, mutate artificially, due to the vaccines, and our bodies have been prevented from building that natural immunity and passing that on to our children, because of vaccines, what do you see happening with the next few generations. Is our natural immune system on its way to being vaccinated out?
    I didn’t explain my thoughts too well but I hope you got the gist of where my train of thought is going with this.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Claudia, try to speak to mother instead;

    You can print the article for her and highligt the most important things as they don’t have much time to read now

    http://www.naturalnews.com/032579_hepatitis_B_vaccines.html
    Several Chinese babies died after Hep B vaccinations, one of them within 1 hour (that was on Google news you can search their site.
    http://www.naturalnews.com/043405_hepatitis_b_vaccines_infant_deaths.html – the last paragraph is the most important.

    You can find the list of ingredients and highlight the worse ones, so they see what they give to the baby.
    Print for them the list of the insults from the article above – very impressive how vaccine industry treats their victims

    I will give you references for books on amazon on the top of the page tomorrow.

  • Roxanne

    “Many vaccine manufacturers voluntarily began producing ‘supposed’ mercury-free vaccines in 1999. The June 2006 lab result from Doctor’s Data run counter to vaccine manufacturers’ claims. For example, some product inserts currently claim that a trace amount of mercury exists in the final product but the amount has been greatly reduced. Others claim to be producing completely mercury-free products. All four vaccine vials tested contained mercury despite manufacturer claims that two of the vials were completely mercury-free. All four vials contained aluminum, one contained nine times more than the other three, tremendously enhancing the toxicity of mercury.”

    Health Advocacy in the Public Interest, 8/12/04

  • Lou

    “Well if you are going to lower the threshold to that level,”

    Well Sir one microgram of mercury contains about 4 BILLION mercury atoms; each of which will repeated harm you until it is escorted out of your body and brain by glutathione molecules. Thus we are FORCED to deal with INJECTED mercury at at LEAST the nanogram level. Do you not agree?

    Your body does a good job of dealing with EATEN mercury; at least it did until “vaccination”, antibiotics, gluten, GMO crap et al helped to weaken our children’s gastrointestinal tracts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImCpWzXJ_w&feature=PlayList&p=904C35CAD065DB81&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=77

    Now Sir certainly you can understand the problem involved in using up precious immune MOLECULES to get rid of ATOMS needlessly injected into our children.

    A child injected monthly with “vaccination” toxins has very little glutathione and immune system to spare. MUCH of his immune system is fully occupied dealing with this NEEDLESS outrageous ASSAULT on his body, mind and soul. It also appears his immune system is PERMANENTLY damaged by “vaccination”.

    “All vaccines given over
    a short period of time to an immature immune system deplete the thymus gland
    (the primary gland involved in immune reactions) of irreplaceable immature
    immune cells. Each of these cells could have multiplied and developed into an
    army of valuable cells to combat infection and growth of abnormal cells. When
    these immune cells have been used up, permanent immunity may not appear. The Arthur Research
    Foundation in Tucson, Arizona estimates that up to 60 % of our immune system may
    be exhausted[19] by multiple mass vaccines (36 are now required for children).
    Only 10 % of immune cells are permanently lost when a child is permitted to
    develop natural immunity from disease. There needs to be grave concern about
    these immune system injuring vaccinations! Could the persons who approve these
    mass vaccinations know that they are impairing the health of these children,
    many of whom are being doomed to requiring much medical care in the future?”

    Is the “vaccination” needle a weapon of mass destruction

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_vs_unvacc_Child.htm

  • Roxanne

    It’s a frightening situation, indeed, that’s playing out with vaccines been so widely pushed globally, the long-term consequences of which for humanity are unknown. Are the pockets of vaccine-free populations going to help the coming generations through or has the damage been so vast that we are literally the architects of our own demise?
    Far be it from me to know the net consequences of this tangled web of folly and interference at the most profound
    level, but certainly the picture looks pessimistic. A few
    observations:
    We know as you alluded to with antibiotics, that humankind will never outwit the germ which are all too adept at mutation… Infertility is a growing concern and with the introduction of polysorbate 80 to vaccines in the late 90′s, not to mention the impacts of vaccines in general (HPV etc.) on immune function, who knows what the consequences will be when these young women hit their prime childbearing years. We also know just from
    reading vaccine monographs that the manufacturers routinely state that impacts on fertility have not been studied. Then there’s the issue of how sperm may be affected by all these vaccines. And has been raised before, the issue of how mothers will pass on antibodies
    to their babies without naturally acquired immunity. Add to this, the troubling interactions with GMOs that are now contaminating the food supply so widely. I know that farmers have reported that pigs etc. fed GMO feed, have had stillborn offspring which reversed when regular feed was given. As if the chemicals, hormone disrupters etc. in
    the environment weren’t damaging enough! In the face of such cumulative insanity, it wouldn’t be surprising if not
    only fertility rates amongst those most exposed to this toxic soup takes a plunge, but humanity’s broader ability to fight off future threats thanks to stunted immunity.
    Years back, a vaccine critic spoke to attending a lecture
    by a well respected doctor then in his seventies. He told
    the audience that he would rather treat someone in
    their seventies that who was six. When the stunned audience asked why, he replied that at least he had an
    immune system to work with as the children nowadays have had theirs “neutered.”
    There is a book I believe called ‘Pottinger’s Cat’ which
    tracks the devastation done to generations of cats as
    they were removed from a healthy diet to a unhealthy one.
    The impacts on fertility etc. became more serious the
    longer the damage went down the line.

  • Roxanne

    Hi Claudia, meant to post my comment to you not disqus
    below, so just check there:

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    I don’t know how you feel about evolution but it seems to me that the strongest vaccines supporters are also the ones who so strongly support evolution which makes no sense to me since survival of the fittest is what evolution is all about. How can they believe so strongly on the one hand for evolution and then fight it so strongly against natural order on the other? I don’t want to get into the evolution battle, with anybody, I’m just sayin.
    One of my employees has taken microbiology classes and he confirmed my hypothesis about what we are doing to humanity with all this vaccine nonsense even tho there are some vaccines he believes in.
    I have to say that I am kind of glad I am nearly 60 and hopefully won’t live to see what man’s audacity in thinking he can do it better than God will end up doing to the human race.

  • elnura

    Independent study. Just from briefly scanning the Lancet I see names I am familiar with that are in with big pharma. Researchers today don’t even try and
    hide their conflict of interest. Trolls at least list studies they can access for free from the CDC, you didn’t even try.

    You’ve stated I and other don’t know how vaccines work yet you have not provided one shred of Independent verifiable data, report or study that indicates you know anything. Instead of providing information, other than the
    Lancet bought & paid for pharma abstract (because it would cost money to access the entire study) you choose to be rude, snarky and combative. I would
    expect this sort of behavior from a child but not a Pediatric Surgeon. When people behave in this manner it shows they are insecure and the behaviors are to
    distract from the obvious.

    To help you out to access information and studies you don’t have to pay for try the CDC and FDA data banks. This is where how vaccines are made and how
    they work is discussed in details, not information cherry picked by peer review studies which many trolls and vaccine apologist feel is the manna of the
    scientific community despite the fact that every major journal has stated that they are not reliable and most of the journals are now owned by big pharma.

    After Janine Roberts discussed this paper on a radio show in 2009, this paper below disappeared from the CDC website. Sounds familiar? If not, the same thing happened in the Summer 2013 with the CDC’s page on Cancer, Simian Virus 40, (SV-40) and Polio Vaccine Fact Sheet. How vaccines are made.

    CDC: Isolation and Identification of Measles Virus in Culture, Revised November 29, 2001.

    In an online paper entitled ‘Isolation and Identification of
    Measles Virus in Cell Culture,’ the CDC, the central Health Research authority of the USA, lays out how isolation of this virus should be done so it can be used, say for a vaccine. It instructs, first obtain from the patient a small sample of urine or fluid from the nose or mouth.

    Next ‘sacrifice’ a marmoset monkey, take some of its cells, then make these cancerous, perhaps by exposing them to radiation, and then give them, on top of
    this, Epstein-Barr disease! Such extremely sick cells, the CDC informs us, are ’10,000 times’ more sensitive to the measles virus than are normal human cells.

    Now add to these cells a toxin called trypsin. The CDC tells us to expect some cells to fall off the sides of the vessel as if they have been poisoned. They have been. Now add nutrients and glucose and leave for two or three days so the cells can somewhat recover.

    Now add to the cells the sample gathered from the patient. After an hour, inspect the cells in the culture with a microscope to see if any of the cells are becoming distorted, or are floating free as they did when trypsin was added. If they are, the CDC says this is proof that measles virus is present and making the cells ill.

    This statement made me sit back and think. Why should this illness now be caused by a virus? They had poisoned the cells, made them cancerous….. and
    now the CDC was saying the cells must be ill because they had measles. Where was the logic in this?

    The next stage involves the addition of two antibiotics, Penicillin and Streptomycin, to the culture and leaving it alone for a day. Again the cells are inspected – and if small holes now appear between cells, it is now presumed that measles virus has caused these. If no sign of such damage, this process is repeated. If after this there are still no signs of damage, then the culture is
    discarded. However, if 50% or more of the cells are now seriously ill and distorted, the culture is set aside and kept in the fridge as ‘isolated measles virus stock suitable for vaccines!’ All this without actually detecting the virus itself!

    This is the whole process as recommended by the CDC. There is no mention of the need to have a control culture, no mention of any need to isolate the measles virus or even to see it with an electron microscope. The cells are poisoned – and an unseen measles virus is blamed – even thou’ the disease the cells have is totally unlike measles. Where is the logic in this?

    One final addition to the vaccines – the preserving and antibiotic chemicals added to the doses. The manufacturer of a MMR vaccine noted: ‘The finished
    product contains the following excipients: sucrose, hydrolysed gelatin (porcine), sorbitol, monosodium glutamate, sodium phosphate, sodium bicarbonate,
    potassium phosphate and Medium 199 with Hanks’ Salts, Minimum Essential Medium Eagle (MEM), neomycin, phenol red, hydrochloric acid and sodium hydroxide.’

    Dr Minor, the UK’s top vaccine safety officer, then added: ‘So even today then you have to bear in mind that a large amount of vaccine that’s made is made on really quite crude materials, from an adventitious agent point of
    view. It’s not a trivial usage. In fact, when consider what vaccines are actually made on these days, they are quite primitive in some respects.’
    Fear of the Invisible; Janine Roberts. Chapter: Highly
    contaminated vaccines.
    Many more links and actual transcripts of in her books.

    Transcripts from: NIH Emergency Workshop on SV40 in 1997, 1998, 1999 in Washington, D. C. Meeting titled: Vaccines and related Products Committee Meeting (VRBPC)

    FDA Advisory Committees: CBER 2005 Meeting Documents http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber05.html#VaccinesandRelatedBiological

    http://www.fda.gov/cber/advisory/vrbp/vrbpmain.htm

    http://www.emea.eu.int/humandocs/PDFs/EPAR/mmrvaxpro/060406en6.pdf.

    http://www.fda.gov/AdvisoryCommittees/CommitteesMeetingMaterials/BloodVaccinesandOtherBiologics/VaccinesandRelatedBiologicalProductsAdvisoryCommittee/default.htm

    -Well, that’s assuming that we’re not going to have any
    capability to produce a vaccine unless they’re allowed to make hundreds of millions of dollars of profit, which is certainly not true. If we look at the science of the vaccination process itself, it’s becoming evident that the way they do the immunizations, the vaccine of sticking it into the muscle of your arm and your leg actually
    suppresses a lot of your immune system, particularly in young children. We found out that in fact it causes the immune system to switch to what we call TH2 type
    cytokine production, which inhibits immunity. And your major protection against virus, particularly the really virulent, deadly viruses and bacteria is your
    cellular immunity. Well vaccines don’t stimulate cellular immunity at all; in fact, they suppress it. It’s known if you look on the CDC site they’ll tell you that for instance if a child gets a HIB vaccine for two weeks they’re
    much more likely to get HIB and to die from it than they would if you didn’t give them the vaccine. We see the same thing with the MMR vaccine, the measles
    or rubella virus is an immunosuppressant, just like the HIV virus. Dr. Russell Blaylock

    - We have known for decades that getting the
    childhood diseases naturally results in a permanent immunity to the specific microorganism. Getting the vaccines results in a temporary immunity, meaning
    that susceptibility is deferred and repeated booster shots will be required for the ENTIRE life of the individual. In
    the 80s, the specific immune mechanisms involved in vaccine-induced immunity was discerned. In the 90s, the same mechanisms in humans were explored. T cells
    (thymus cells) are the major cell in the immune system; they direct and control all immune responses as well as immune memory. Subsets of T cells are the
    T-helper cells (Th). T-helper cells coordinate and direct the safest and most effective immune response. Using Moskowitz’s measles example, we know that, when infected with the measles virus naturally via the nasopharyngeal route, the body produces a Th1 response that externalizes the infection and provides permanent immunity.1 Fever, rash, coughing, sneezing, etc are signs of the body ridding itself of this infection. Bypassing the normal body lines of defense by injecting a vaccine forces the immune system into an
    emergency-based Th2 response which serves to internalize the infection. You don’t get the disease but are susceptible to the disease later since the Th2
    response results in poor immune memory. So, if a natural, viral (measles)infection results in a Th1 response, why don’t we make vaccines that could
    elicit the same response. (To put this simply, Th2 cell response is not a precursor to initiating immunity. Th2 cell response induces an INFLAMMATORY response, locally and internally. TH1 cytokines intiates a immune response because it is stimulates via the “normal immune route” of the nose, throat, mouth, ears eyes etc.)

    In 1995, Golding and Scott,2 published the
    need for strategies to make vaccines that would generate the “required” Th cell to the corresponding microorganism. Since that time, attempts to produce
    vaccines that would generate a “natural”- type response have failed. So, we are left with vaccines that generate “protective” responses as a second choice. How
    does this work? In vaccine-induced Th2 responses, called humoral responses, the body produces large quantities of specific antibodies that block the virus from
    entering cells. This response is why a vaccinated child doesn’t get a full blown infection and why the child won’t spread as many viruses into the environment.
    However, antibodies cannot get into cells to eliminate viruses once the viruses are in the cells or cannot kill infected cells themselves. Therefore, the body
    has no choice other than to internalize the virus and be chronically infected when the body is forced into a Th2 antibody response. The body is essentially constipated with viruses that it cannot expel! Dr. Mendelson-Whale.

    You may find this interesting since you stated in
    a comment virus cannot come back to life.

    Viruses Can Recover Virulence: Principles of Vaccination by Sylvie Simon Translated by Harry Clarke: http://whale.to/a/simon.html

    -we all wait for an Independent study on the safety and effectiveness of vaccines and the fact that they work at
    all.

    -you didn’t provide any information of any scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    -nor did you provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

    I will spare you the indignity or calling you a liar because your lack of Independent verifiable data, studies or reports speak for themselves.

    We don’t need to chit chat. Please just provide the information requested. I repeat:

    -an Independent double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    -provide scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    -provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of
    populations?

  • elnura

    Your nephew is reacting out of fear because he’s been indoctrinated that vaccines are safe and they work. I had the same problem with my kids with my grandkids. My daughter finally woke up when I told her about the aborted fetal cells in vaccines but my son is very much influenced by his wife who was a military brat. This girl hasn’t found a vaccine she didn’t like. Sometime is takes an “event” to shake them up before they realize the dangers. My daughters children, especially her son, broke out with a bad case of eczema after a vaccine years ago and my granddaughter had a mild case. I found a report on line that state eczema is a form of poisoning called:

    ECZEMA VACCINATUM-it states:

    1) No child with atopic eczema or other skin disorder
    should be vaccinated.

    2) No child should be vaccinated if any member of
    his family has eczema or other skin disorder.

    This was enough for her. this report is from surprisingly, the American Academy of Pediatrics 1958.

    Also states the same thing here: http://www.whale.to/v/vaccinia-necrosum.html

    Keep the baby surrounded in light and don’t antagonize the parents. This way if they need support for anything-they feel they can count on you because they are new parents and what new parents don’t need help?

  • elnura

    Noxious Notation is trolling me on Natural News right now on an article called :US government using humans as guinea pigs in flu virus medical experiments. I think I’m going to use your comment and the one I wrote to her every time she makes a snarky comment to me. Is that OK with you.

  • Argus

    And your point, Roxy?

  • Argus

    And your point, Roxy?

  • diversity

    See every child learns in highschool how vaccines work.

  • diversity

    Those people that hae no idea of what they are talking about and c&P just stuff from books that they dont understand with opinions they find interesting because thy go against what most people think …

  • Roxanne

    You raise some interesting questions Claudia that I hadn’t thought of. Here are a few quotes that aptly sum up
    the insanity of the global vaccine lab with its billions of
    guinea pigs:
    “The world and, in particular, its children appear to be at risk for stealth adapted viruses. The contribution of vaccines to the formation and dissemination of these viruses should be an open topic for scientific discussion. This is not occurring with those presently in charge of overseeing the safety of the nation’s immunization program.”
    W. John Martin MD, PhD, Founder, Center for Complex Diseases

    “We are actually changing our genetic code through vaccination. Years from now we’ll know the biggest crime against humanity was vaccination.”
    Guylaine Lanctot, MD, ‘The Medical Mafia’

    “My thirty years of experience as a family doctor has convinced me the single greatest threat to our health today is vaccination – particularly the horrific procedure of injecting foreign protein into newborn infants.”
    Dr. Dan Duffy Sr., Geneva, Ohio

    “Immunizations … have caused more suffering and more deaths than any other activity in the entire history of medical intervention.”
    Viera Scheibner PhD, ‘Vaccination-100 Years of Orthodox Research Show that Vaccines Represent a Medicial Assault on the Immune System’

  • Roxanne

    Thanks for the kind comment to which I replied further down.

  • Argus

    Well, let’s break down what Lou has to say here, and see if it makes any sense. Likely not:
    “Well Sir one microgram of mercury contains about 4 BILLION mercury atoms; each of which will repeated harm you until it is escorted out of your body and brain by glutathione molecules. Thus we are FORCED to deal with INJECTED mercury at at LEAST the nanogram level. Do you not agree?”
    Notice that Lou asked about nanograms, now he wants to move the goalpost and talk about micrograms. I guess that’s because 1/1000th of his 4 billion number wouldn’t seem scary enough. But he still hasn’t offered a shred of evidence that MMR contains any mercury in any form – not even a single nanogram. Do you know why that is, Lou, or are you going to keep avoiding this question?

    “Your body does a good job of dealing with EATEN mercury;”
    So why are there government warnings not to consume too much tuna or other seafood that might contain mercury compounds?
    “at least it did until “vaccination”, antibiotics, gluten, GMO crap et al helped to weaken our children’s gastrointestinal tracts.”
    Evidence please. This is apparently a completely novel concept made up by Lou.

    “Now Sir certainly you can understand the problem involved in using up precious immune MOLECULES to get rid of ATOMS needlessly injected into our children.”

    Another novel concept from Lou. The immune system reacts with mercury atoms? Please tell us more about how this works. You do have evidence, don’t you? Why have you hidden it from the world?

    A child injected monthly with “vaccination” toxins has very little glutathione and immune system to spare. MUCH of his immune system is fully occupied dealing with this NEEDLESS outrageous ASSAULT on his body, mind and soul. It also appears his immune system is PERMANENTLY damaged by “vaccination”.
    This is getting tiring, Lou. Why is your concept of how the immune system works so different from what is already known through scientific observation? Could it be that you are just making it up?

    “”All vaccines given over a short period of time to an immature immune system deplete the thymus gland (the primary gland involved in immune reactions) of irreplaceable immature immune cells. Each of these cells could have multiplied and developed into an army of valuable cells to combat infection and growth of abnormal cells. When these immune cells have been used up, permanent immunity may not appear. The Arthur Research
    Foundation in Tucson, Arizona estimates that up to 60 % of our immune system may be exhausted[19] by multiple mass vaccines (36 are now required for children). Only 10 % of immune cells are permanently lost when a child is permitted to develop natural immunity from disease. There needs to be grave concern about these immune system injuring vaccinations! Could the persons who approve these
    mass vaccinations know that they are impairing the health of these children, many of whom are being doomed to requiring much medical care in the future?” Is the “vaccination” needle a weapon of mass destruction”
    Citation, please. Does this “Arthur Research Foundation” even exist? What is it? Some guy working out of his mother’s basement? Why should anyone believe what “they” say. Let’s see the peer-reviewed, published results.
    So in summary, Lou has still failed to provide evidence that MMR vaccine contains mercury in any form, and is so uninformed that he cannot explain why this would be so.
    Massive fail.

  • Lou

    “Lou has still failed to provide evidence that MMR vaccine contains mercury in any form”

    Sir your exposition of a total lack of common sense is astounding.

    I do not give a damn what is in the MMR it is associated STRONGLY with autism. “Vaccination is associated STRONGLY with autism and a whole raft of disease and death.

    This alone is enough for any rational person.

    “Vaccines, are unavoidably unsafe.” US Supreme Court
    Feb 2011. Well not quite Guys, vaccines are quite safe for humans if they are NOT USED on humans. We avoid the horror of “vaccines” by NOT USING them.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_mmr.htm

  • Lou

    “I do not give a damn what is in the MMR”

    Actually I do care.

    That the MMR has little mercury should show us mercury is not the only toxin in “vaccination” that is killing our kids.

    IMO the numerous “deactivated” viruses, that have NOT been successfully deactivated for SOME children is helping to cause the bowel disease leading to autism.

    As the number of “vaccinations” continue to grow those “some children” will IMO continue to grow.

    “Giving the MMR live virus shot at age 12 months; giving the MMR and chickenpox live virus shots on the same day at age 12 months; amping by a factor of seven the amount of chickenpox virus in the combined MMRV shot and giving it at 12 months; putting toxic metals like mercury and aluminum in shots administered at 12 months or earlier to infants or in utero; using pesticides that studies suggest contribute to autism and ADHD, and in earlier formulations triggered poliomyelitis epidemics — these all seem like not the best ideas if you were trying to cut down on neurological and developmental risks to infants. Or, for that matter, if you had a lick of common sense.” Do MMR + Hg + SSPE = ASD?

    “The antibody to this antigen was found in 83% of autistic children but not in normal children or siblings of autistic children. Thus autistic children have a hyperimmune response to measles virus, which in the absence of a wild type of measles infection might be a sign of an abnormal immune reaction to the vaccine strain or virus reactivation.” Singh VK, Jensen RL. Utah State University, Note here is our infamous MMR “vaccine”

    “I’m surprised that primary African green monkey kidney cells continue to be used, and I’m a little bit disappointed that FDA and whoever is involved had not had a more serious effort to move away from primary African green monkey kidneys. We all know that there are a number of neurodegenerative conditions and other conditions where viral causes have been suspected for years and no viral agent identified. Maybe they’re caused by viruses, but maybe they’re not.” http://www.fearoftheinvisible.com/cannot-clean-the-vaccine , Note folks pardon my french but if you get ANY NEEDLE in your arm you are nuts.

    “Dr Heyrick told of how the eminent Dr Maurice Hilleman, the scientist I had earlier interviewed about the MMR vaccine, had used what he thought was an ‘intestine-based cell line’ to make an adenovirus vaccine, only to discover to his horror that his cell line had been invaded and taken over by the aggressive cervical cancer virus known as HeLa. I also learnt that DNA fragments contaminating vaccine lots might be from dead cells but nevertheless remained extremely active and dangerous. Dr Golding feared they might combine with other genetic codes contaminating the vaccine lots – and thus create a mutant viral strain that could even get in the individual doses of vaccine. The removal of this contaminating DNA has proved impossible. … Thus high levels of hazardous DNA pollution remain in many vaccines.” From official US transcripts of recent unreported meetings of US and UK vaccine safety scientists

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_mmr.htm

  • http://gravatar.com/bioenergeticjewelry Claudia

    Those are excellent Roxanne, I posted it on FB. I hope my niece will see it or maybe my sister. Since she is pro-vax she might be better able to get them to research.

  • Roxanne

    There are a ton of excellent quotes from doctors and scientists whose voices are never heard in mainstream
    circles. Here are just a few more. Some where else on
    this thread I also included several re. Hep B vaccine,
    let me know if you want them but can’t find them and
    I’ll re-send them.
    “Studies are increasingly pointing to the conclusion that vaccines represent a dangerous assault to the immune system leading to autoimmune diseases like Multiple Sclerosis, Lupus, Juvenile Onset Diabetes, Fibromyalgia, and Cystic Fibrosis as well as previously rare disorders like brain cancer, SIDS, childhood leukemia, autism and asthma.”
    Rona Zoltan MD, ‘Natural Alternatives to Vaccination’

    “There are multiple articles in the medical literature demonstrating how chronic illnesses like allergies, asthma, eczema, diabetes mellitus, lupus, multiple sclerosis, inflammatory bowel disease, ADD,/ADHD and autism all exhibit skewed production and over-activity of the TH2 arm of the immune system…”
    Lawrence B. Palevsky MD, FAACP, Pediatrician, ‘Aluminum and Vaccine Ingredients: What do we know? What don’t we know?’

    “Immunization programs against flu, measles polio etc. may actually be seeding humans with RNA to form pro-viruses which under proper conditions become activated and cause a variety of diseases including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lupus erythematosus, Parkinson’s disease and cancer… Spare me this ‘medical miracle’!”
    Dr. Robert W. Simpson, Professor of Virology, Rutgers University

    “Since the routine vaccines introduce live viruses and other highly antigenic material into the blood, it is difficult to escape the conclusion that a significant harvest of autoimmune diseases will automatically result.”
    Richard Moscowitz MD, ‘The Case against Immunizations’

    “…immunization against relatively harmless childhood diseases may be responsible for the dramatic increase in autoimmune diseases…such as cancer, leukemia, rheumatoid arthritis, M.S. Lou Gehrig’s disease (ALS), lupus erythematosus and Gullian-Barre.”
    Robert S. Mendelsohn MD, Professor of Pediatrics, University of Illinios, ‘The Medical Time Bomb of Immunization Against Disease’

  • elnura

    Ah yes, the vaccine gives the person a small case of whatever they are being shot up with, like the flu vaccines tha gives people a small case of the flu so that they build up antibodies to it which cause them to be come immune. However, antibodies do not demonstrate that immunity has been achieved. Yes, high school (two words) student learn the same lie that has been perpetuated for decades along with the lie/myth of herd immunity.

    Scientists prove that the antibodies from vaccinations
    ARE NOT NEEDED.

    To prove this, scientists from HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL, M.I.T., MASSECHUSSETES
    GENEERAL, SAN RAFAELE INSTITUTE (Italy), and other institutes, co-authored and published on how they removed all antibodies from mice, leaving only B-Cells,
    which successfully fought off lethal viruses. This debunks vaccine manufacturers who say that vaccines are necessary to convey immunity. This suggests that repeated vaccinations could be the reason why some vaccinated people lose their natural immunities, as their body tends to unnaturally rely on temporary, antibody-based immunities.

    -Immunity 2012 Mar 23; 36(3): 415-426:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3359130/pdf/nihms-377739.pdf

    -No Antibodies Required For Immunity Against Some Viruses: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/242403.php

    -Antibody titers and immunity: Are they related? http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20080110.htm

    -Inducing Antibodies does not produce immunity
    http://www.jabs.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1391

    -Herd immunity by Meryl Dorey: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/herd_immunity.html

  • diversity

    would you rather have more options to fight off viruses or less? think before you talk. and vaccines are mostly dead pathogens

  • elnura

    Vaccines cause diseases. You have yet to provide an INDEPENDENT double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    You have yet to demonstrate scientifically ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    -provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

    The best preventative to stop diseases is:

    First-the government needs to stop creating diseases such as the bio-engineered Flu;

    URGENT – H1N1 Vaccine Patent Filed (2007) Long Before the Swine Flue Virus Was Spread! by Walter Burien 08/20/09: http://cafr1.com/H1N1.html

    The world’s “scientists” have created H5N1/H1N1/H7N9 bio-weapons.

    Baxter Labs patented their “H1N1 vaccine” on 28 Aug 2007 almost two years before they released live H5N1 virus in their “seasonal flu vaccine” and when that plot failed we got the H1N1 outbreak in Mexico City. Baxter Labs is currently manufacturing an injectable “swine flu
    vaccine” and a “live attenuated nasal swine flu vaccine”.
    You can do the patent search at the link.
    (this would be a good start don’t you think)

    If they have created one virus-they have created others. So how would you protect yourself from something the powers that be don’t want you to have protection against?

    -Stop spreading diseases by vaccinating everything that moves. Every where the WHO and Bill Gates travel with their poisons needles-disease rates go up, children die or become very ill. Diseases were abating on their own as indicated by 2 centuries of official data:
    Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries Of Official Statistics-http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

    Also it has been clearly demonstrated that the US & UK government are complicity in the deaths and physical harm of thousands of people, specifically children for decades:

    -30 years of secret, official transcripts prove vaccine schedules in US and UK are based on government lies
    http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf
    -http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/

    *STOP lying to pregnant women telling them that being vaccinated is safe. It is criminal to inject mercury/thimerosal into an unborn child knowing that it crosses the blood brain barrier and settling it with a mercury overload before it’s born. This impedes development of the immune system. The Flu shot as well as the dtap have caused thousands of miscarriages since 2009 that the CDC covered up despite evidence given to them.

    -http://vaccineliberationarmy.com/2014/01/22/cdc-center-for-disease-cover-up-and-promotion/

    -http://vaccineliberationarmy.com/2014/01/20/cdc-cover-up-links/

    *How would we fight of pathogens-stop handing out drugs like candy which destroys the immune system.
    -100,000 Americans Die Each Year from Prescription Drugs, While Pharma Companies Get Rich
    Prescription drugs taken as directed kill 100,000 Americans a year. That’s one person every five minutes. How did we get here? http://www.alternet.org/story/147318/100,000_americans_die_each_year_from_prescription_drugs,_while_pharma_companies_get_rich

    -Death from Prescription Drugs: The New Epidemic Sweeping Across America: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/26/prescription-drugs-number-one-cause-preventable-death-in-us.aspx

    -How the FDA May Kill Millions of Us: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0214/opinions-steve-forbes-fact-comment-fda-may-kill-millions.html

    -Remove ALL GM food out of the food chain.
    Another great scientific fraud-GM foods are safe. Clean up the food chain by removing High Fructose corn syrup, MSG, cancerous additives etc.

    -Teach new parents about nutrition rather than plying them with AAP giveaways (new mom books that push vaccines, diaper bags with blank vaccine schedules in them etc.) that indoctrinate them further into that archaic medical practice-vaccines.

    -Remove Fluoride from the municipal water system. Fluoride is a know poison and it does nothing to prevent dental decay when ingested.

    -Remove the crap out of the school food programs and replace with healthy foods. Stop allowing the insurance industry and food companies to dictate the health paradigms for the country.

    Take the money out of politics so politicians that are minions of the pharmaceutical industry are not put in positions to make decision in regards to the health choices of each individual in this country.

    Get rid of the CDC. They are nothing less than an organized crime syndicate. Even congress recognizes that they are only in place to serve the pharmaceutical industry and have done nothing to serve the country.

    -http://www.thinktwice.com/Confl_of.pdf

    This would be a good start.

  • diversity

    what you give are biased sources. you cant take the money out of politics. i am happy that not everybody in this world thinks like you. you are wrong about your claims. but striking an ignorant mind like you down takes years.

  • elnura

    You are the most inconsistent troll I’ve met online. You seem to be having an identity crisis. LOL. Whenever a button is pushed you become abusive and start with the name calling. You should have taken more lessons from your buddy notations. I understand she’s been booted
    off of another site. It’s easy to see through her and you.

    Millions of people think along the same lines that I do-it’s called like mind. See we put people above profit. We put truth and honesty above deception. We put love and
    compassion above hatred and violence. We do not offer children up as blood sacrifices upon the altar of the vaccine industry. We put real science above fraudulent science. What fraudulent science am I speaking off? Couple of examples for you:

    Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink
    Information aka The Simpsonwood Transcript from a secret meeting held in Simpsonwood Retreat Center in Norcross, Ga the weekend of June 7-8, 2000.

    The primary researcher on the “Denmark/Danish Study,
    Poul Thorsen is a fugitive. He is on the run and wanted by Interpol for stealing a million dollars in research grant money-
    http://www.bolenreport.com/Mark%20Geier/4-13-11%20US%20Attorneys%20Office%20Press%20Release1.pdf

    POUL THORSEN, 49, of Denmark, has been indicted
    by a federal grand jury on charges of wire fraud and money laundering based on a scheme to steal grant money the CDC had awarded to governmental agencies in Denmark for autism research.

    Here is the entire sordid episode in the CDC’s continuing wave of destruction upon the American people:
    http://www.whale.to/v/autism565.html

    It all started with a copy of a letter from Congressman David Weldon, M.D. to the director of the CDC, Dr. Julie L. Gerberding, in which Congressman Weldon
    alludes to a study by a Dr. Thomas Verstraeten, then representing the CDC, on the connection between infant exposure to Thimerosal-containing vaccines and
    neurodevelopmental injury. In this shocking letter, Congressman Weldon refers to Dr. Verstraeten’s study, which looked at the data from the Vaccine Safety
    Datalink and found a statistically significant correlation between Thimerosal exposure via vaccines and several neurodevelopmental disorders including tics,
    speech and language delays, and possibly ADD. Congressman Weldon questions the
    CDC director as to why, following this meeting, Dr. Verstraeten published his results almost four years later in the journal Pediatrics to show just the opposite, that is, that except for tics, there was no statistically significant
    correlation to any neurodevelopmental problems related to Thimerosal exposure in infants. In this letter, Congressman Weldon refers to a report of the minutes
    of this meeting held in 2000, which exposes some incredible statements by the “experts” making up this study group. The group’s purpose was to evaluate and
    discuss Dr. Verstraeten’s interim results and data and make recommendations that would eventually lead to
    possible alterations in existing vaccine policy.

    Transcript: http://www.thinktwice.com/simpwood.pdf
    Some of the statements in this transcript:
    -”the number of dose related relationships [between mercury and autism] are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.” – Dr. William Weil, American Academy of Pediatrics. Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000
    -Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40-41: “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of
    age, language and speech delays which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays,
    which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders.”
    -Dr. Chen on page 256 expresses his concern about this information reaching the public. He remarks, “We have been privileged so far that given the sensitivity of
    information, we have been able to manage to keep it out of, let’s say, less responsible hands….”Dr. Bernier agrees and notes, “This information has been held fairly tightly.” Later he calls it “embargoed information” and“very highly protected information.”

    So over 4 years the CDC and it’s minions changed the data and excluded data from the Denmark study to reflect that thimerosal was safe. This was a red flag to Congressman Weldon, a doctor himself, which prompted others to get copies of the transcripts under the FOIA.

    -CDC altered its own thimerosal data: http://www.whale.to/a/cdc66.html
    The Unconvincing Thimerosal Epidemiological Studies: How and Why They Were Produced, Published and Protected: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/yazbak201.html

    -Letter from Dave Weldon to Julie Gerberding: “Absurd results” : http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/3.4.pdf

    - 2001 IOM: Immunization Safety Review: TCVs and Neurodevelopmental Disorders:
    http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/3.3.pdf -Verstraeten CDC Internal

    -Email: “It Just Won’t Go Away”: http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/2.7.pdf-
    The “It” in Dr. Verstraeten’s subject line of “It just won’t go away” is the correlation between Thimerosal and autism.
    - Verstraeten CDC Internal Email: “Disprove an Unpleasant Theory”-
    http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/chapter2.html–I have witnessed how many experts, looking at this thimerosal issue, do not seem bothered to compare
    apples to pears at the best and insist that if nothing is happening in these studies [referring to some old science on other types of mercury exposure] then
    nothing should be feared of thimerosal.

    You can read the all the dirty secrets of the CDC at this link including the emails, including the email informing Verstraeten that all the data from Denmark was not included in the final results and that data would
    change the outcome completely. http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html

    -The most blatant example of revolving door corruption
    may be the action of the former director of the CDC, Julie Gerberding. Gererding blocked the CDC’s planned retraction of their recommendation for HPV
    vaccine after significant numbers of girls had died or been rendered paralyzed by the HPV vaccine. Soon after blocking the retraction, Gerberding was offered and took a position at Merck, the manufacturer of
    Gardasil, the world’s best selling HPV vaccine, as head of Merck Vaccines Department (Reuters, 2009). It is a level of corruption that we would expect to see in only third world countries.

    -Fraudulent science behind the Pertussis Vaccine. It has never worked and the CDC is well aware of it yet they continue to push it: They are aware outbreaks of whooping cough are happening in vaccinated children like it happened in Israel: Pertussis Infection in Fully
    Vaccinated Children in Day-Care Centers, Israel: http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/6/5/00-0512_article.htm

    -MERCK PHARMACEUTUCAL’S DEFECTIVE MMR VACCINE HAS CAUSED AUTISM IN 1 OUT OF EVERY 38 CHILDREN IN SOUTH KOREA, FOLLOWING MASS MMR VACCINATIONS.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42949599/ns/health-childrens_health/t/south-korean-study-finds-children-has-autism-traits/

    -Another fraudulent Merck study: Non-vaccinated kids used as decoys by MERCK to hide another defective vaccine that didn’t work! http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/27/47851.htm

    -We are not a single mind but we are of a like consciousness. We come to this from different perspectives but we have common goals. The verbal abuse that is projected at us by pro-vaccine
    apologist clearly demonstrates that you/they feel they have the right to violate the civil rights of the people in this country by manipulating and bullying
    parents to have acts of abuses perpetrated upon their children under the guise of health. When parents exercise their rights to make health choices for their
    children and themselves they are bullied and threatened with acts of violence, calls to the police or CPS. I guess the country didn’t get the memo that the US had become Nazi Germany.

    Answer this:
    If Vaccines Work, what are you people so afraid
    of?
    Vaccines are suppose to be like Hazmat
    suits-raincoats of protection from head to toe so tell me, how does a unvaccinated child who has no illnesses, demonstrates no disease state and is vibrantly healthy infect a VACCINATED child with anything? Please explain in detail the scientific mechanism involved in this process.

    This is a situation where the needs of the many
    (children & adults), who are entitled to life, health, liberty and freedom of choice outweigh the wants (money) of the few (the pharmaceutical industry, politicians and people in the medical profession who went into medicine strictly for the money).

    Dr. Maurice Hilleman: “and I think that vaccines
    have to be considered the bargain basement technology for the 20th century.”

    Basically what he’s saying is vaccines are cheap to
    make because they are so crude but they bring in endless profits. Swine Flu vaccine reaped 50 billion in 2009 and it was a freaking disaster. See it
    doesn’t matter if vaccines work or not, it doesn’t matter if trials are done or not and the end results don’t mater because the CDC lies, the vaccine industry
    lies, researchers lie, Doctors who push vaccines lie and because all of these people lie-children have died and are permanently damaged. Yet they still make money.

    There are more people pushing away from the needle
    than you or anyone the pro-vaccine industry realize. Maybe they do which is why trolling has become off the chart. Most people who don’t vaccinate are just
    quiet about it because they don’t want to deal with the rabid abuse of the vaccine trolls like notation. The more people are able to access the CDC’s raw
    research through the FOIA, the more their devastating abuse upon this country and the world will be revealed. Did you know that the CDC attempted quietly to
    have access to raw vaccine and drug data blocked-permanently? Why would they do that?

    “Those who would give up Essential Liberty, to
    purchase a little Temporary safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

    1.You have yet to provide an INDEPENDENT double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    2.You have yet to demonstrate scientifically ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    3.provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

    Please answer the 3 questions!

  • diversity

    I am a troll for saying my opinion and, what we call in the outside world, the truth?

    these questions were answered in 9th grade and are available for everybody with a little intellect on the internet

  • Sallie

    Sandy Lunoe discusses three of her recent articles for VacTruth.com on “Vaccine Free 2014″ (including this article): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2nujfBweuI

  • Deidre

    I think what saddens me the most is the blatant disrespect for people who have lost a loved one all in the name of their personal opinion. You don’t have to dig too deep to realize that sometimes vaccines cause traumatic side effects that could cost you your life and I can’t understand how people can post such scrutiny over things they don’t even have the whole story on. I wish that people could see past what they are told by the industry, the news and the government and ask questions about it rather than attack anyone who disagrees. Just because a vaccine worked with your body, doesn’t mean it will work for someone else’s. This doesn’t mean all vaccines are dangerous or bad, but you are taking a risk either way and it’s up to you to do the research to make sure you aren’t just injecting yourself with something that has only a 50 percent chance of protecting you. Trolls will be trolls, and they can live their miserable life getting off on making other people hurt. They can be ignored, but when people lose family and friends over a shot that was supposed to help him, well, that can’t be ignored. At least not in my opinion.

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  • IHateArgus

    I’ll take care of this troll. He’s a pussy though cause he won’t “engage” me. Argus are you ever going to answer my question? Chicken shit. No one answer Argus until he answers my question. I love trolls. Argus is scared cause I will rip him in half with my words. I’m a lyrical wordsmith but I still have a mental disability.

  • IHateArgus

    Are you going to answer my question or are you really that ignorant? Stop changing the subject. Argus can’t bring forth a good argument against me. He just says stupid shit and tools on the intelligence of others but he doesn’t have the balls to talk with me. Ignore him, he really is an idiot. Go ahead Argus, make fun of someone with a mental disability you freak.

  • IHateArgus

    Are you just gonna quote what others say or come up with shit on your own Argus? You suck bro and you’re a coward. Just like everyone I’ve run into who works for a pharmacy company. You are all a bunch of cowards.

  • IHateArgus

    Stop smoking pharma-pole Argus. You could make a lot of money if you charged with those DSLs (look that up in your science book). Oh wait, you get paid handsomely for trolling on antivaccine websites. But still, with your talent, you could be selling those lips for much more. You are good Argus

  • IHateArgus

    How many lines of coke can Argus snort off of BigPharma’s pole? What’s your “advice” on how to be as stupid as Argus? How does one get on their knees day after day and smoke pharma-pole without scarring their knees? Argus knows the answers but he is scared of the truth. Don’t answer him until he plays with me.

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  • Dr. Mom

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    Here are some peer reviewed pub meds that put your stance to shame.
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  • Dr. Mom

    Here Argus….
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    My life is back!!! After six years in marriage with my husband with 3 kids, he suddenly started going out with other women and coming home late, each time i confronted him it turns out to be a fight and he always threatened to divorce me at all time, my marriage was gradually coming to an end. i tried all i could to stop him from this unruly attitude but all proved abortive, until i saw a post in the forum about a spell caster who helps people cast spell on marriage and relationship problems, at first i doubted it but decided to give it a try, when i contacted this Spell caster Dr. Dangogo via email, he helped me cast a spell and within 4 hours my husband came back apologizing for all he has done and promised never to do such again and today we are happily together again. Contact this Great spell caster for your marriage or relationship issues via this email; dr.dangogospell@gmail.com

  • Shasha John

    Good spell caster. Thank you Dr edaho you are the
    best spell caster that i have ever seen in my life,
    the spell you casted for me have work very
    perfectly, my ex boyfriend who live me for over
    3week now is back and apologizing for me to
    come back to him that he is very sorry for the
    pain he caused me and i am so
    happy Dr edaho your spell is nice and make me fill
    alive again i will keep sharing you good work all
    over the world about the good spell you cast for
    me to get Fred back and i will also give your
    email address to everybody who is in need of
    help like you told me that you can cast a spell to
    bring my ex back, Money spell, Protection spell,
    lotto spell, Good job spell and many other spell
    you told me you can cast for me if i need them i
    hope you will find a place to help other so they
    can give testimonies like me dr edaho please help
    others, many people have problem like mine but
    there is nobody like you to help them solve their
    problem like you do, if anyone need the help of
    this nice man contact him via this
    email edahospellcaster@yahoo.com

  • nancy Alfred

    Hello everyone i found out about a spell caster that can help you bring back your ex lover or fiance. this spell caster helped me a week ago after i contacted him to help me, he make my ex girlfriend to come back to me within 2days and ever since my lover came back to me she now shows me so much love more than before. Here is the spell caster email Esango Priest on esangopriest@gmail.com he can help you get back with your lover.

  • Rasasi Josh

    I posting this comment for those who have not met with dr Ekpiku to contact him now for he solves all relationship problem between couples or you can also call his mobile +2347055029151 i want to thank Dr Ekpiku for Break Them Up and Reunite Us lover spell he did for me last week. I’m so grateful for the effort Ekpikuspelltemple@live.com have put into my relationship case. I will always be grateful. i can see the love spell working out perfectly

    Rasasi Josh

  • Dyrdek Rob

    Hello everybody, i am here to testifies on how DR ARIBA help me to cure my sickness called HIV/AIDS which has been eating me up for 2years and 4months, and when I went online I saw his email on how he cured so many people, so I emailed the Dr and tell my problems to him, and he told me all is going to be fine, after that day he gave me an assurance of 3days of his herbal healing, and said I should go for a medical check up on the 4th day of which I got to the hospital the new result now shows am HIV negative. And now am so happy and free from it thanks to DR ARIBA. Please if there is any one in need of his help should kindly contact him draribaspelltemple@gmail.com or dr.aribaspelltemple@outlook.com

  • Dyrdek Rob

    Hello everybody, i am here to testifies on how DR ARIBA help me to cure my sickness called HIV/AIDS which has been eating me up for 2years and 4months, and when I went online I saw his email on how he cured so many people, so I emailed the Dr and tell my problems to him, and he told me all is going to be fine, after that day he gave me an assurance of 3days of his herbal healing, and said I should go for a medical check up on the 4th day of which I got to the hospital the new result now shows am HIV negative. And now am so happy and free from it thanks to DR ARIBA. Please if there is any one in need of his help should kindly contact him draribaspelltemple@gmail.com or dr.aribaspelltemple@outlook.com ..

  • Andrew Macott

    Do you need cure to your HIV disease? Do you want to be cured from your
    cancer disease? Or you want to be free from any type of disease you have
    kindly contact Dr. Okorom on dr.okoromspellhome@live.com or call his
    mobile phone on +2348127147869, he just cured my HIV disease and I’m
    very grateful to him, he is the only herbalist that can cure you. Or you
    can contact me on macottand@gmail.com so that I can put you through on
    how he did it. Thank you all for reading, God bless..

  • Frank Silver

    HELLO i have read testimonies about this great spell caster called Dr. Ekpiku how he helped people to bring their lover back. so i decide to give him a try, i am here today to give my own testimony on how this great man brought my ex back within 48 hours for just to contact him. this girl has broke up with me over 6 weeks but she came back just within 48 hours that Dr Ekpiku said he will make her come back to me. just contact this man and he will bring your ex back here is his email address mail. Ekpikuspelltemple@live.com

  • Bruno Rico

    I have been suffering from HIV/AIDS since 9yrs now, and i happen to have 2 kids for my husband, and now we cannot proceed to have another kids all because of my disease and now i have do all what a human like i and my husband can do just to get my disease healed, i have went to several places to seek for help not even one person could ever help, until i melt a comment on the daily news paper that was commented by Miss Marilyn about how this powerful traditional doctor help her get cured of the disease (HIV-AIDS) ” my fellow beloved” i firstly taught having a help from a spiritual traditional healer was a wrong idea, but i think of these, will i continue to stress on these disease all day when i have someone to help me save my life?” so i gather all my faiths and put in all interest to contact him through his Email address at eromosalspiritualtemple@gmail.com , so after i have mailed him of helping get my disease cured, i respond to me fast as possible that i should not be afraid, that he is a truthful and powerful doctor which i firstly claimed him to be. So after all set has been done,he promise me that i will be healed but on a condition that i provide him some items and obeyed all his oracle said. I did all by accepting his oracle fact and only to see that the following week Dr.Ero me on my mail box that my work is successfully done with his powers, i was first shocked and later arise to be the happiest woman on earth after i have concluded my final test on the hospital by my doctor that i am now HIV- Negative. My papers for check are with me and now i am happy and glad for his miraculous help and power. With these i must to everyone who might seek for any help, either for HIV cure or much more to contact him now at these following email now, Email: eromosalspiritualtemple@gmail.com

  • jane smith

    i am hear to give testimony of how i got back my husband, we got married for more than 9 years and have gotten two kids. thing were going well with us and we are always happy. until one day my husband started to behave in a way i could not understand, i was very confused by the way he treat me and the kids. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, i asked him what have i done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, i was mad and also frustrated do not know what to do,i was sick for more than 2 weeks because of the divorce. i love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is incomplete. i told my sister and she told me to contact a spell caster, i never believe in all this spell casting of a thing. i just want to try if something will come out of it. i contacted Dr okojie for the return of my husband to me, they told me that my husband have been taken by another woman, that she cast a spell on him that is why he hate me and also want us to divorce. then they told me that they have to cast a spell on him that will make him return to me and the kids, they caste the spell and after 1 week my husband called me and he told me that i should forgive him, he started to apologize on phone and said that he still live me that he did not know what happen to him that he left me. it was the spell that he Dr okojie caste on him that make him comeback to me today,me and my family are now happy again today. thank you Dr okojie for what you have done for me i would have been nothing today if not for your great spell. i want you my friends who are passing through all this kind of love problem of getting back their husband, wife , or ex boyfriend and girlfriend to contact drokojiehealinghome@gmail.com. and you will see that your problem will be solved without any delay. he is specialized in solving of other problems including the following:
    (1) If you want your ex back.
    (2) if you always have bad dreams.
    (3) You want to be promoted in your office.
    (4) You want women/men to run after you.
    (5) If you want a child.
    (6) If you need financial assistance.
    (7) If you want the cure of HIV AIDS
    contact him now for immediate solution of your
    problems on Drokojiehealinghome@gmail.com
    Thank you

  • jane smith

    I
    AM Mrs jane… I want to testify of what a spell caster did for me and
    my hubby.we have been married since 2007 without a sign of pregnancy or
    conceiving.I went off birth control then and did not have a period.my
    gyro gave me progesterone to jump-start a period and it did., but i did
    not have another one.we did another round of progesterone followed by
    100mg cycloid for 5 months, we followed all doctors instructions but all
    to no avail.I have been buying ovulation kits pregnancy test AND i
    finally got 3 test when i was ovulating! So ever since that we been
    trying for years now! Well i was very confused because i keep taking em
    ting test AND they all keep turning out to b negative! I really want a
    baby girl while my hubby want a baby boy LOLL! I think maybe we are just
    trying to hard, What i can tell you is that its been so many years now
    and i still yet do not have my period??nobody to help because every body
    around us was already at the verge of losing their faith on us.no were
    to run to until one faithful day i was reading a magazine and i stumble
    on a page were i found topic or a head line {A PROPHET} who can heal
    someone from HIV AND AIDS, bring back your EX, enlarge your BREAST, help
    you win a VISA LOTTERY, losing your WEIGHT and even get six PACKS AND
    flatten your BELLY, I gave him a try and before i could no it PROPHET
    MOSES rescue me from my problem by casting a spell for me and told me to
    go and make love with my hubby, then nine months after the spell and
    making love with my husband i delivered a twins A BOY AND A GIRL.This
    spell caster name is PROPHET MOSES so many people have witness his
    wonderful work..He is nice, contact him on
    PROPHETMOSESDSAVIOUR@gmail.com if you are in any predicament•Thanks so
    very much!!

  • John Phillip

    Hello everybody i am so happy to share this testimony on how Dr Molemen was able to heal me from HIV Disease, well i was detected positive on 23th may 2013, and ever since i have been looking for a way to treat and cure this disease from me, but all ways i try there was no solution, few weeks ago i saw a testimony of some people on how Dr Molemen was able to cure them from HIV disease, still on i heard about it on media when a young lady also gave her testimony about this same Dr, well left with no hope i message Dr Molemen telling him all my problem, he told me what we where going to do, that he was going to send me a portion which i am going to take, and after which i took this herb portion he sent to me, he told me to go back to the hospital for check up and after i have done that i should come and tell him the good news result, at first when i saw the message i was so shock and still did not believed i will be cured, well friend to make my story short i am HIV negative now after many time of sorrow, i am Negative, and my sickness are gone, i thank God for leading me to this man, you can view his website on (http://drmolemenspiritualtemple.webs.com) or email him on (drmolemenspiritualtemple@gmail.com) or call him at +2347036013351, check him on facebook page on (https://www.facebook.com/Dr.MolemenHerbs), he can be of help to you on any problem..
    Sir may God Bless You.

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  • Carolyn

    HelloHello every one out here

    Am Lucenira Ferreira, from Brazil, I have be married for nine years my husband and i where living happily and just two months ago my husband meant his ex girl friend whom he had in school days and all of a sudden he started dating her again and he never cared about his family again all he does is to stay late at night and when he come’s back he will just lie to me that he hard some fault with his car,there was this faithful day i caught the both of them in a shop,i walked to them and told the girl to stay of my husband and when he came home that evening he beat me up even despite the fact that i was pregnant he was just kicking and warning me to never point a finger on his girlfriend again,i have suffered too much in the hand of a cheating husband but thank to Dr iayaryi whom i got from a blog site after a long search for a real spell caster i was so happy that he fulfilled all what he said in just less than three days after the spell was cast they quarreled and he broke up with the girl and his senses are fully back and he now care and love me like he have never done before and if you are their suffering from a broken marriage or your husband or ex cheats? you can email (driayaryi2012@hotmail.com) his spells are pure and very powerful without any doubt.

    Hi My name is “ALINA” just want to share my experience with the world on how i got my love back and saved my marriage… I was married for 4years with 3kids and we lived happily until things started getting ugly and we had a fights and arguments almost every time… it got worse at a point that he filed for divorce… I tried my best to make him change his mind & stay with me cause i loved him with all my heart and didn’t want to loose him but everything just didn’t work out… he moved out of the house and still went ahead to file for divorce… I pleaded and tried everything but still nothing worked. The breakthrough came when someone introduced me to this wonderful, great spell caster called Prophet Lord solutionoflovespelltemple@gmail.com who eventually helped me out… I have never been a fan of things like this but just decided to try reluctantly cause I was desperate and left with no choice… He did special prayers and used roots and herbs… Within 7 days he called me and was sorry for all the emotional trauma he had cost me, moved back to the house and we continue to live happily, the kids are happy too and we are expecting our fourth child… I have introduced him to a lot of couples with problems across the world and they have had good news… Just thought I should share my experience cause I strongly believe someone out there need’s it… You can email him solutionoflovespelltemple@gmail.com … Don’t give up just yet, the different between “Ordinary” & “Extra-Ordinary” is the “Extra” so make extra effort to save your marriage/relationship if it’s truly worth it. his email; solutionoflovespelltemple@gmail.com

  • Carolyn

    Hello

    Hi My name is “ALINA” just want to share my experience with the world on how i got my love back and saved my marriage… I was married for 4years with 3kids and we lived happily until things started getting ugly and we had a fights and arguments almost every time… it got worse at a point that he filed for divorce… I tried my best to make him change his mind & stay with me cause i loved him with all my heart and didn’t want to loose him but everything just didn’t work out… he moved out of the house and still went ahead to file for divorce… I pleaded and tried everything but still nothing worked. The breakthrough came when someone introduced me to this wonderful, great spell caster called Prophet Lord solutionoflovespelltemple@gmail.com who eventually helped me out… I have never been a fan of things like this but just decided to try reluctantly cause I was desperate and left with no choice… He did special prayers and used roots and herbs… Within 7 days he called me and was sorry for all the emotional trauma he had cost me, moved back to the house and we continue to live happily, the kids are happy too and we are expecting our fourth child… I have introduced him to a lot of couples with problems across the world and they have had good news… Just thought I should share my experience cause I strongly believe someone out there need’s it… You can email him solutionoflovespelltemple@gmail.com … Don’t give up just yet, the different between “Ordinary” & “Extra-Ordinary” is the “Extra” so make extra effort to save your marriage/relationship if it’s truly worth it. his email; solutionoflovespelltemple@gmail.com