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More Evidence Proves Nutrition Beats Vaccines in Preventing Disease

Several doctors are beginning to speak out against the danger of vaccines. In her recently released bestselling book A Mind of Your Own, holistic, functional medicine trained psychiatrist Kelly Brogan explains why she opposes vaccinations.

Brogan shares a fascinating example of how the nutrient selenium was used to prevent and treat Keshan disease in China, replacing the vaccination proposed by Western researchers. Brogan also discusses how vitamin A can be used to treat and prevent measles, along with vitamin C to address tetanus, in place of toxic, dangerous vaccinations. [1]

Famous dentist Weston Price described the perfect health of indigenous groups of individuals who had natural immunity to tuberculosis from excellent nutrition, not from vaccinations, in his revered book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. Comparative studies of unvaccinated and vaccinated individuals add to the argument that vaccines are not the answer to disease prevention. [2]

The Case of Keshan Disease in China

In a 2014 New England Journal of Medicine report, selenium deficiency is credited with causing Keshan disease. Brogan discusses how a group of Western research scientists brought to China had proposed the use of vaccinations to address the epidemic of Keshan disease, but how this proposal was stopped when an observant scientist noticed the lack of selenium in certain provinces where the disease was rampant, while individuals in other provinces with adequate supplies of selenium appeared to be protected from Keshan disease. [3]

Keshan disease was first discovered in the Keshan province of China in which deficiencies of the mineral selenium caused a life-threatening deterioration of the heart muscle. It has been found to also occur in New Zealand and Finland. Fifty-five micrograms of selenium are recommended on a daily basis to treat and prevent Keshan disease. [4]

Vitamin C Treats Tetanus

Vitamin C, given at one gram daily, was found to be 100% effective in preventing mortality in children, diagnosed with tetanus, aged 1-12, by a study reported in the Cochrane library and the National Institute of Health. In older individuals with tetanus, aged 13-30, vitamin C was found to reduce mortality by 45%. In rare cases of tetanus, this protocol makes more sense than dangerous, ineffective mass vaccination against tetanus. [5, 6]

Vitamin A Reduces Complications of Measles, a Normally Mild Childhood Disease

The National Institute of Health reports on a study identifying vitamin A deficiencies as a risk factor for serious cases of measles. The World Health Organization recommends administering an oral dose of 200,000 IU of vitamin A to adults and 100,000 IU to infants for 2 days in areas with vitamin A deficiency. [7]

Measles is generally a very mild childhood disease, while the MMR vaccine is linked to serious health consequences. Using vitamin A to treat and prevent very rare cases of serious measles is a much safer health protocol than dangerous mass vaccination programs. [8]

Weston Price and Nutrition to Prevent Disease

Dentist Weston Price, in his landmark ten-year study of endemic groups around the globe, discovered that the groups who maintained high nutrition were naturally resistant to tuberculosis, the common disease at that time. When individuals broke away from their nutrient-dense foods, consuming modern, processed, vitamin-deficient diets, they became susceptible to tuberculosis and suffered immensely. [9]

Vaccinated Versus Unvaccinated

If more evidence is required pointing to the importance of nutrition to prevent disease, in place of dangerous, ineffective vaccinations, one only needs to examine the comparative studies on vaccinated and unvaccinated children. In multiple studies, the outcome is unanimous that unvaccinated children enjoy far superior heath compared to those vaccinated.

Conclusions

Numerous diseases have been linked to vitamin deficiencies including measles, tetanus, tuberculosis and Keshan disease. Rather than vaccinate with dangerous, ineffective vaccines, never proven to be safe or effective, one should focus more on improving nutritional status as a safe, effective means to improve heath and prevent disease. [10]

References:

  1. Brogan, Kelly. A Mind of Your Own. HarperCollins: New York, NY. 2016, pp.136-137.
  2. https://vactruth.com/2016/06/03/vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated/
  3. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMcibr1402199
  4. http://www.vitaminsdiary.com/disorders/keshan.html
  5. http://www.cochrane.org…vitamin-c-for-preventing-and-treating-tetanus
  6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18425960
  7. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11869601
  8. https://vactruth.com/2016/02/18/mmr-vaccine/
  9. Price, Weston A. Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.  8th Edition. The Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation: La Mesa, CA. 2009.
  10. http://www.naturalnews.com…vaccine_safety_medical_myths_junk_science.html

About the Author:

Michelle Goldstein is a mental health therapist who is passionate about holistic health, natural healing, nutrient-dense foods and the politics that impact them. She has published articles for Natural News, VacTruth, and other health websites. All of her published articles to date can be found at her health website, Holistic Health to Go. She can also be followed on her Facebook Page, Holistic Health to Go.

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Michelle Goldstein is a mental health therapist who is passionate about holistic health, natural healing, nutrient-dense foods and the politics that impact them. She has published articles for Natural News, VacTruth, and other health websites. All of her published articles to date can be found at her health website, Holistic Health to Go. She can also be followed on her Facebook Page, Holistic Health to Go.

  • Jesus baby

    Keshan disease comes from selenium deficiency, which can lead to damage from a mutated Coxsackie B virus. There isn’t a vaccine for Coxsackie viruses, so what your psychiatrist reportedly wrote doesn’t make any sense.

  • Mae

    I assume it was instead of developing a vaccine they found nutrition was the key.

  • Just because with selenium supplementation, a vaccine was no longer considered as needed, does not mean they would not have eventually developed a vaccine, and if these below developments had not been studied, and if that had not happened. So how is it that this still doesn’t make any sense to you?

    Biol Trace Elem Res. 1997 Jan;56(1):5-21.
    Interacting nutritional and infectious etiologies of Keshan disease. Insights from coxsackie virus B-induced myocarditis in mice deficient in selenium or vitamin E.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9152508

    Selenium Deficiency and Viral Infection
    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/133/5/1463S.full

  • Jesus baby

    “Brogan shares a fascinating example of how the nutrient selenium was used to prevent and treat Keshan disease in China, replacing the vaccination proposed by Western researchers.”

    The title of this article is “More Evidence Proves Nutrition Beats Vaccines in Preventing Disease”.
    All this took place in the 1970s and there STILL isn’t a Coxsackie virus vaccine, so what vaccine did selenium beat?

  • You were just informed of the answer, and as to why. What amount of information would be enough for you, to give it up? The answer is, obviously, nothing ever has been, and nothing ever would be.

  • Jesus baby

    If no vaccine was tried how did selenium beat vaccines?

  • With the use of supplemental selenium, and vitamin E; no vaccine is or was ever needed. Big pharma is not going to seek approval for, and invest major amounts of money and time, in the clinical trials for a vaccine that likely would never see any significant profits. What do you need in front of you, a comparison RANDOMIZED clinical trial, and before you will realize, and believe it? The use of common sense, is just not good enough for you.

  • Jesus baby

    So selenium didn’t beat any vaccines. Thank you. Just another Vactruth lie.

  • Venerable Bead

    The article title declares:
    “More Evidence Proves Nutrition Beats Vaccines in Preventing Disease
    .
    The article cites Brogan saying, “Brogan also discusses how vitamin A can be used to treat and prevent measles…”
    Did Brogan or article author, Michelle Goldstein, even read the citation? If so they must be illiterate.
    ncbi(dot)nlm(dot)nih(dot)gov/pubmed/11869601
    Vitamin A for treating measles in children.
    “OBJECTIVES: The purpose of this review is to determine whether vitamin A when commenced after measles has been diagnosed…”

    The citation does not state that Vitamin A “prevents measles” as Brogan is quoted and as the article title states. Quite the contrary, it states that the use of Vitamin A is recommended “after measles has been diagnosed”.
    It is used after someone contracts measles. It is not used as a substitute for measles vaccine. It is not used to prevent measles, nor does it prevent measles.
    VItamin A – Measles Claim = Fail.
    *****************************************************
    The article cites Brogan saying, “Brogan also discusses … vitamin C to address tetanus…”
    That statement is at least a little more honest in that it doesn’t state Brogan claims vitamin C “prevents tetanus”.
    It doesn’t change the fact that Michelle Goldstein falsely claims in this article that these “nutritional” treatments “Prevent Disease”.
    The citation is more illuninating when read in full instead of reading a sentence taken out of context by Ms. Goldstein:
    ncbi(dot)nlm(dot)nih(dot)gov/pubmed/18425960
    This article addresses – “This non randomised, controlled, unblinded treatment trial involved 117 tetanus patients and was undertaken in Bangladesh.”

    “AUTHORS’ CONCLUSIONS: A single, non randomised, poorly reported trial of vitamin C as a treatment for tetanus suggests a considerable reduction in mortality. However, concerns about trial quality mean that this result must be interpreted with caution and vitamin C cannot be recommended as a treatment for tetanus on the basis of this evidence.”
    >>> Patients who already contracted tetanus.
    >>> A non randomised, unblinded schlock study that the authors strongly warn against and conclude that “vitamin C cannot be recommended as a treatment for tetanus”.
    .
    Vitamin C does not prevent tetanus. It is not, and can not be used as a substitute for tetanus vaccine.
    *****************************************************
    Commenter @Jesus baby has already addressed Keshan disease and Michelle Goldstein’s false representation that selenium “beats vaccination”.
    *****************************************************
    – Keshan disease – there is no vaccine for the selenium “nutrition” to “beat”. = Fail
    – Measles – Vitamin A is used after the victim catches measles. It is not, and cannot be used as a substitute for a vaccine. It does not “beat” measles vaccine. = Fail
    – Tetanus – Vitamin C – see Measles-Vit. A. The cite describes using vit. C after the victim catches tetanus. It is not used as a substitute for a vaccine. It does not “beat” tetanus vaccine. Her own cite even recommends against using it as a treatment. = Fail
    .
    This entire article is completely false. It is demonstrated false with the author’s own citations.
    I don’t think I’d be taking medical advice from a psychiatrist who is unable to read the literature.

    Remember kids – Reading is Fundamental.

  • Reading Original Sources Is Paramount Too but that’s not quite as catchy.

  • Venerable Bead

    Reading is Fundamental – www(dot)rif(dot)org/
    is an old non-profit that was a favourite charity of Barbara Bush and Nancy Reagan and got promoted a bit back during Reagan’s 1st term in the early 1980s.

    I can’t remember exactly, but the commercials ended something like this:
    “Remember – Reading is Fundamental”
    having a dual meaning to remember that it was
    1 – very important for children’s future to be able to read, and
    2 – very important for viewers to consider RiF for their charitable contributions.

  • Ah, I’d need to brush up on my history to know about the early 1980s.

  • shay simmons

    It’s VacTruth. Par for the course.

  • Venerable Bead

    It’s also Kelly Brogan. Par for the course.

  • shay simmons

    True dat.

  • Quite obviously the information clearly shows that it does. Selenium and vitamin E can prevent Keshan disease, which comes from selenium deficiency, and when interconnected with Coxsackie B virus. Thus, no need of a vaccine.

  • Jesus baby

    Lowell I think you’ve become even stupider, if that’s possible.

  • So, you can not actually offer a direct reply to what I stated, (and with any truth, and facts in it), but to provide here again, for only more name calling.

  • Jesus baby

    Well after admitting selenium was never compared to vaccines you go back to saying selenium beat vaccines.

  • Again you make direct statements that you claim I made, and when no such thing took place. I never made either statement. Again, what I said was that due to supplemental selenium preventing and eliminating the Keshan disease, coxsackie virus issues; obviously no vaccine was ever needed. Pharma does not develop and invest in anything they can not sell large quantities of, and in turn make major profits from it.

  • Jesus baby

    “I never made either statement.”

    Oh, really?

    Me : So selenium didn’t beat any vaccines.

    You : Quite obviously the information clearly shows that it does.

    And previously,

    You : Just because with selenium supplementation, a vaccine was no longer considered as needed, does not mean they would not have eventually developed a vaccine…
    So you’re lying again you Mercola shill.

  • So, you just keep on re-wording everything and in your mind and in the attempt to re-context it all, and so it eventually fits your sick, twisted, and irrelevant purposes. And all this just so you can keep on attempting to falsely harass me with more repeated and entirely pointless reply posts. And all along you bate with questions that will be found useful in and as to that entirely worthless, and pointless purpose

    And even now, your point is? You have no point, and again but to continue on with your intentional distraction and disruption, with an intended outcome that you know will only again and again waste my time, in even bothering to reply. That is the game you have going. Who pays you for such continued, pointless, and endless stupidity?

  • Jesus baby

    Lol context?! You wrote it moron.
    And my point is this selenium beating vaccines nonsense is just another Vactruth lie.
    But it looks like you shill for Vactruth too. Nice racket you have going on there. Beats working for living, huh?

  • Damo

    Why do you keep saying you didn’t say what you said? You got caught shilling for Mercola, admitted that it was because of the sex (which may or may not be true, I don’t want to libel Mercola) but all of a sudden, you pretend like homosexual favors aren’t something you are interested in.

  • Damo

    Yes, because of RIF–I got the first book I ever fell in love with, The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe. That is what started me on my lifelong love of reading. Reading is FUNdemental!

  • It is not a vactruth lie, and never was. Due to the found use of selenium supplements in combating Keshan disease and as well with the involvement of so called mutated Coxsackie B virus, no vaccine was needed and after it was proposed as to the development of that vaccine. You can twist it all you want but that is the reality of the outcome. How would I shill for vactruth, when actually I have opposed the editors obvious lack of any moderation? So called Jesus baby, you really are a twisted and disgusting prize, to behold. It sure is hypocritical and ironic that you would call anyone else, a moron.

  • Admitted what? Why have you not yet been banned?

  • Jesus baby

    So just stand there pouting and stamping your feet. It used to work with mommy didn’t it?

  • Damo

    Right,when you get exposed you call forme to be banned. I know how you work.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So Michelle is this all Brogan’s nonsense that you failed to fact-check or is this a bunch of things you tacked onto a plug for Brogan’s book which are completely wrong?

  • Pouting, about what? The only pouting and stamping your feet going on, is your own. Listen, Stupid …baby…..facts are facts…and the sooner you face that the better off you will be. Why would you want to just continue your charade of deliberate denial, and ignorance? The trolling shill business must be paying you well, or whoever does it.

  • You have exposed nothing but the workings of your own lying mind. Everything, and every personally attacking claim that you make is a fabrication and a twisted lie.

  • Damo

    You are the one calling me twisted and accusing me of sexual harassment. Meanwhile you shill and solicit for sex. Shameful.

  • Jesus baby

    Mercola sunscreens are overpriced low quality crap, Lowell. You should be ashamed.

  • Then obviously you are a cheap skate that doesn’t value quality and non toxic ingredients in a sunscreen. Keep getting your toxic and potentially harmful sun screen from the dollar store, that is your business; but you have no right to tell others to do the same thing, and simply because you refuse to face the evidence of the obvious facts, and to be wrong.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheapskate

  • Jesus baby

    You know why Mercola is a D.O.? Because he couldn’t get into med school.

  • So you say you are not twisted, but then just simply continue on with your slander, your twisted lies, and your false accusations.

  • Ruth

    I found the research by Thomas Seyfried to be particularly interesting. It suggests that our metabolism is a key to many illnesses, most importantly cancer and through it comes the cure.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEE-oU8_NSU

    It has to be a question, have vaccines stimulated or enhanced our risk of cancer? A distinct possibility. Especially if they were contaminated with or without researcher’s knowledge.

  • Some people simply choose that medical profession. It has nothing to do with an inability to get into med school. I have seen several D.O.’s in my life time that were far more open, informed, and educated, than any MD you could find.

  • Jesus baby

    No you haven’t.

  • Damo

    The evidence is in your posts. It used to be fun proving what a sex crazed shill you are. Now it is tedious. Please go away until you have something else to say.

  • Really. And what were you doing the whole time I learned of that fact, following behind me? I once was as well adjusted by a Doctor of Osteopathy as to chiropractic, that did a far better job than any chiropractor I have ever been to. It was amazing, as to their physiologically based knowledge, and ability. But you know that all you want, is for society to remain stuck in the mislead and largely failed for big profits, being only prescribed pharmaceutical drugs …trap.

  • No the evidence is NOT in my posts. It never was, and never will be.

  • Jesus baby

    You know who goes into chiropractic? People who couldn’t get into D.O. school, which is pretty sad. All your healthcare idols are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

  • All vaccines are potentially contaminated, including Gardasil, and the issue remains unresolved by any purification step process they have used. You simply can not screen out all the pathogenic crud that vaccines are made from.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-contamination.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

  • Go ahead and make a list of what you claim to be in error with this article, and be directly specific?

  • That is just another deliberate misrepresentation, and an obvious lie. Most chiropractors realize the largely failed futility of prescribing pharmaceutical drugs, and chose instead a health care profession that actually allows the amazing self healing human body, to heal itself and through the actually correct protocols.

    Chiropractic – Correcting Physiological Function and Strengthening Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/chiropractic—correcting-physiological-function-and-strengthening-immunity.html

  • Jesus baby

    And then there are people like you, fated to a life of menial jobs.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The alternative to them knowing the deficiencies in what they posted is that they are being manipulative. Is that what you are arguing?

  • I asked you to describe specifically those deficiencies in the article, and which you claim to. So instead of doing that, you simply fail to do so, and then simply add to it additionally that they, the author of the article, is being manipulative. Ok, so now you not only have to and need to make a list of what you claim to be in error with this article, and in being directly specific in each case and point, as to why; but you also have to explain directly how the article author, (or they, and whoever they are); is being manipulative in the article? Get started, and be specific.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I asked you

    Lowell you are someone who is the least responsive to any requests of mine. Do you think I’m going to take yours very seriously.

    you also have to explain directly how the article author, (or they, and whoever they are); is being manipulative in the article

    Already done. Either they know the deficiencies in what they are posting or they do not. If they do, they are being manipulative.

  • So, you would have to agree that I am right, and that you lied about why chiropractors become chiropractors. And so again the only reply you could come up with here, is to again personally attack me, and in the attempt to insult me. And you wouldn’t have a clue what I do for a living; tell me. How menial is a life spent within the medical field where all of their protocols are now known as the being the leading cause of death in America? How purposeful and wonderful, it that?

    Two studies were done, one in the year 2000, and had been published in the AMA Journal, and another study in 2003 re-looked at that data, and with added data, modern medicine was determined as the leading cause of unnecessary death, over that of the numbers regarding heart disease and cancer deaths. Just under 1 million deaths were determined, and we can all surmise that this did not include many deaths that are hidden and that are simply covered up. That number is likely to be much, much higher than that.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/

    Flexner Report of 1910

    Flexner’s erroneous and very biased report caused the following to occur:

    -Naturopathic schools closed or merged
    -Nutrition was removed from medical curriculum
    -Homeopathic doctors were villified
    -Chemical treatments were glorified

    … WHY? … Because Carnegie and Rockefeller, two “business men” (crooks), pushed the Medical industry into the “Petrochemical Drug policy” that is in place today.

    The intent was to do away with any competition to the pharmacuetical industry and, through their lies and deceit, they pulled it off. Most Doctors today only learn about synthetic drugs, because not only did the AMA shut down all the naturopath schools but they removed nutrition from the medical curriculum. Nutrition – the most important role in staying healthy was eleiminated from a doctors education. That is truly appalling!

    “Although Flexner may have been neither objective nor thorough, this study reveals the considerable influence that he nevertheless exerted on the fate of North American medical schools in the early part of the twentieth century.”

    I have included a few links below, but if you want to know more then simply use your favourite search engine and look for “Flexner report of 1910”

    Read Flexner’s full pdf report here: http://archive.carnegiefoundation.org/pdfs/elibrary/Carnegie_Flexner_Report.pdf

    The Impact of the Flexner Report on the Fate of Medical Schools in North America After 1909:
    Mark D. Hiatt, M.D., M.S., M.B.A. and Christopher G. Stockton, M.S.M.
    http://www.jpands.org/vol8no2/hiattext.pdf

    Understanding the Flexner Report Kenneth M. Ludmerer, MD:
    https://ualearn.blackboard.com/bbcswebdav/pid-303852-dt-content-rid-690898_1/courses/49626.201240/readings/Ludmerer-Flexner-AcadMed.pdf

    Unintended Consequences of the Flexner Report: Women in Pediatrics
    Shari L. Barkin, Elena Fuentes-Afflick, Jeffrey P. Brosco, Arleen M. Tuchman
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/126/6/1

    The Drug Story – What Nujol Started – A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

  • Just stop with the twisted cut up the reply posts responding garbage that you always do, and just reply directly to the reply I made.

    I have always responded directly you your posts, and in fact what amount to now endless dozens of your posts. If now you want to falsely call that, being unresponsive.

    What deficiencies specifically, as I said; outline and explain that directly? I have already argued this subject matter with two of your cohort trolling shills; did you read any of that, in the outcome? No, and of course it easier for you to just ignore that.

  • Jesus baby

    The Flexner report took the quackery out of U.S. medical schools – it was a good thing. But people like you can still pay out of pocket for quackery, like spinal manipulation, homeopathy and having your tooth fillings yanked out.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I have always responded directly you your posts

    I have no idea what “directly” means in Lowell-ese but what I mentioned is that you almost never respond sufficiently in order to productively discuss something.

    To do that you have to be willing to explain things to my satisfaction. You admit you are unable or unwilling to do so. Thus your requests are not considered very serious by me. If someone else asks I’ll consider responding – not to mention that plenty of other folk have posted the obvious problems with this article.

  • No, actually you are mislead and decieved, In fact the Flexner report removed all forms of natural health care existing at the time. It removed well working at the time, chiropractic, naturopathy, homeopathy, and etc. It was a deliberate move made by the Rockefeller Foundation to buy out and control all medical schools, with a new agenda in which chemical drugs were the only modality of health care that would ever again be allowed to exist, within the standard medical model.

    In fact I have payed nothing for my chiropractic adjustments, in the past 4 years, as I have a chiropractor that adjusts me for free; and do to my known activism. In your stupidity, you wouldn’t even have clue how mercury toxic I was, and as to my health condition; and that when I had those mercury containing fillings removed and replaced with composite. It was worth every dime that was sent. I seen major improvement in that situation you couldn’t and wouldn’t even have a clue about.

    I have only a few times used anything homeopathic, however in all that I know and all that I have studied directly and indirectly about that modality of health care; I sincerely believe that it works, and that it obviously works.

  • Wow, and how beyond continue sick are you. Look at you. This is obviously not about me. You made the accusations, now respond to my said direct questions. How about your own deficiencies, and in knowing that you are being deliberately manipulative? You were as well never short on your continued level of hypocrisy.

    So, if someone else asks, you say you will answer such questions, but just not when I ask them. As well, what did I just tell you about my own responding to the so called and alleged problems with this article, posted by so called other folk. Those are not just other folk; they are trolling vaccine shills, just like you.

    So you are refusing to answer my questions; and we can now let that stand as confirmed.

  • Jonathan Graham

    This is obviously not about me

    Lowell you don’t have to look very hard to see me having conversations with just about everyone but you.

    So, if someone else asks, you say you will answer such questions, but just not when I ask them.

    I’m far more apt to discuss things with someone capable of useful discussion. You are, by your own admission incapable.

    So you are refusing to answer my questions; and we can now let that stand as confirmed.

    More correctly, my answers are conditional on you agreeing to being able to meet my requirements for a productive discussion. Which are simple and clear and unnecessary for every other human I’ve met. :-)

  • You should put a frame around that twisted reply, and have it put in the pro-vax trolling shills hall of shame.

    Why don’t you just admit to it, and from the past that you know that can not respond to the kind of knowledge, and the vaccine study science knowledge that you know I have. So you just make falsely arrogant excuses. And so you want to move on to only someone that you hope is less knowledgeable, and less capable.

    I can read you like a book, and obviously I know you, better than you know you; and also as to what you are unwilling to admit to.

  • Jesus baby

    Flexner was sent by the Carnegie Foundation, at the request of the AMA. At least get your conspiracy theories straight.

  • Although that was true, (and I never said it wasn’t), it was actually the Rockefeller Foundation which was the operative and in setting the stage with the Carnegie Foundation, as to the said Flexner report. There is no its only a conspiracy theory, involved here. This is simply, historical fact.

    The Drug Story

    The Rockefeller Foundation was first set up in 1904 and called the General Education Fund. An organization called the Rockefeller Foundation, ostensibly to supplement the General Education Fund, was formed in 1910 and through long finagling and lots of Rockefeller money got the New York legislature to issue a charter on May 14, 1913.

    It is therefore not surprising that the House of Rockefeller has had its own ‘nominees’ planted in all Federal agencies that have to do with health. So the stage was set for the ‘education’ of the American public, with a view to turning it into a population of drug and medico dependents, with the early help of the parents and the schools, then with direct advertising and, last but not least, the influence the advertising revenues had on the media makers.

    Read more:
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

  • Jesus baby

    What do you mean you never said it wasn’t? You said it was the Rockefeller Foundation. You don’t know what you are even talking about.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you just make falsely arrogant excuses. And so you want to move on to only someone that you hope is less knowledgeable, and less capable.

    What does “falsely arrogant” mean? English parsing would imply that you’re saying that an excuse is NOT arrogant. In which case most people wouldn’t add the adjective for the same reason that you don’t call everything “falsely purple”….and that’s just a simple example of why it’s not worth my time to talk to you unless you will explain things to my satisfaction.

    In any case Lowell, if you really want to throw down all you have to do is agree to explain things to my satisfaction. As far as I can tell you are far to afraid to. Clearly you like being at an impasse way better.

    someone that you hope is less knowledgeable, and less capable.

    You have a pretty low opinion of every other person I debate here.

  • I see that again you are having deliberate reading comprehension errors, in confusing yourself; and just so that you can continue on arguing, and over nothing. You know that you simply can not be and allow yourself to be wrong, and nor to ever admit that you are wrong.

    Carnegie and Rockefeller the richest men of their time, and working together, is some sort of unimaginable concept to you?

    This informational video helps explain it further.

    Origins of Medical Industry Corruption

    The modern day mainstream medical industry has a dubious history, deeply rooted by a drive for profit through the subversion and suppression of non-profitable and non-patentable therapies and treatments.

    To this day mainstream allopathic doctors and practitioners are heavily indoctrinated into a system that protects ever increasing industry profits while fiercely defending orthodox therapies. The network of allopathic medical institutions and education strictly denies medical freedom and outlaws any treatments that cannot generate market share profits for their monopolized industry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NheKUW6kGuY

  • Jesus baby

    If you don’t even know who sent Flexner or that it was requested by the AMA, why would anyone listen to you?

  • First of all, you have done little to no debating of others here at all, and the few that you have attempted to debate in the past and on other articles, are not necessarily without a proper amount of working knowledge, but they are unwilling to deal with you, and your no-win twisted and sick reply posting tactics.

    And I could care less about your trying to reinterpret and reinvent words, to your liking. Explain things to your satisfaction. You arrogant slug; there is nothing that would EVER be satisfactory to you. That is the whole point of demanding what you do; and in your twisted no one is ever going to win against you, because you actually refuse to debate anything at all in any fair and forthright honesty. You, are seriously sick; and that is all to obvious.

    You as well should have been banned, and deserved to be banned, long ago. There is no place on this site, for someone like you. The whole point to having a reply section, is to debate these issues in fair honesty, and with all information being allowed to be on the table. You refuse that, and you demand to be your own moderator as to what is allowed to be posted and responded to. Yet you respond anyway, but with only more antagonization and distraction. Nothing of scientific substance is allowed. Or anything that you know you can not honestly respond to. You have a false excuse for every situation.

  • And you think that John D. Rockefeller and his associates were not capable of coordinating all that, and including the connection with the AMA. You tell me then, who sent Flexner, and name a person? Oh, so no one was connected, and it was just the Carnegie Foundation and the AMA. Its all just that simple, right?

    Again, as you deliberately missed it the first time.

    Flexner Report of 1910

    Flexner’s erroneous and very biased report caused the following to occur:

    -Naturopathic schools closed or merged
    -Nutrition was removed from medical curriculum
    -Homeopathic doctors were villified
    -Chemical treatments were glorified

    … WHY? … Because Carnegie and Rockefeller, two “business men” (crooks), pushed the Medical industry into the “Petrochemical Drug policy” that is in place today.

    The intent was to do away with any competition to the pharmacuetical industry and, through their lies and deceit, they pulled it off. Most Doctors today only learn about synthetic drugs, because not only did the AMA shut down all the naturopath schools but they removed nutrition from the medical curriculum. Nutrition – the most important role in staying healthy was eleiminated from a doctors education. That is truly appalling!

    “Although Flexner may have been neither objective nor thorough, this study reveals the considerable influence that he nevertheless exerted on the fate of North American medical schools in the early part of the twentieth century.”

    I have included a few links below, but if you want to know more then simply use your favourite search engine and look for “Flexner report of 1910”

    Read Flexner’s full pdf report here:
    http://archive.carnegiefoundation.org/pdfs/elibrary/Carnegie_Flexner_Report.pdf

    The Impact of the Flexner Report on the Fate of Medical Schools in North America After 1909:
    Mark D. Hiatt, M.D., M.S., M.B.A. and Christopher G. Stockton, M.S.M.
    http://www.jpands.org/vol8no2/hiattext.pdf

    Understanding the Flexner Report Kenneth M. Ludmerer, MD:
    https://ualearn.blackboard.com/bbcswebdav/pid-303852-dt-content-rid-690898_1/courses/49626.201240/readings/Ludmerer-Flexner-AcadMed.pdf

    Unintended Consequences of the Flexner Report: Women in Pediatrics
    Shari L. Barkin, Elena Fuentes-Afflick, Jeffrey P. Brosco, Arleen M. Tuchman
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/126/6/1

    The Drug Story – What Nujol Started – A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    there is nothing that would EVER be satisfactory to you

    Proven wrong, unequivocally. I’ve provided a clear set of steps to get me to agree to any point by anyone. However I do have to understand the argument in detail. Hence if you are willing to explain something to my satisfaction you are basically declaring that you are unable to convince me. That’s not the same as being impossible to convince.

    However I suspect this is what you need to keep repeating to yourself to keep things at status quo. Otherwise you have to admit you are running from a fight.

  • What PART of that you have not ever shown or proven $hit…do you not understand? In your majorly sick, twisted, and self aggrandizing mind, what you are stating is that you expect me to show you proof and evidence that only you will accept, and that only you will approve of. That is the ONLY goal that you require to be met. And all while you sit in your KINGS chair and surmise over and over again that nothing is good enough for you no matter what, and in having met your almighty and so perfect standards. If you, were only so perfect yourself, as to what you post for relevant information.

    Go ahead and post again your outline that you have put forth, and so any readers can see how twisted sick it is.

    Running from a fight, you wish. Your replies are not worth even reading, much more replying to, and for anyone here at all. You are a waste of every ones time, and just a continued disruption and distraction promoting annoyance, that repeatedly just keeps on showing up.

  • Jesus baby

    The reforms initiated after the Flexner report made U.S. healthcare the best in the world. Stop reading quack sites.

  • Jonathan Graham

    What PART of that you have not ever shown or proven

    What have I claimed? There is a a list of steps. There is, you’ve seen it several times. That the list of steps I have agreed that meeting them results in my being convinced. Again this is demonstrated several times. Clearly I have met both pieces of criteria for having proven that there exists a list of steps that will convince me.

    evidence that only you will accept, and that only you will approve of.

    No, I’m simply asking for what every rational person asks for the ability to understand the argument to their satisfaction. If you generally accept arguments that you don’t really understand very well. That’s your business.

    Go ahead and post again your outline that you have put forth

    I even gave you an example

    i) Socrates is a man
    ii) All men are mortal
    iii) Socarates is mortal

    If you can create a list of assumptions to my satisfaction (i and ii) and list of logically necessary steps to ones conclusion (iii) then you can get my agreement.

    Running from a fight,

    I’ve stated many times I’m happy to discuss with you but I need to be at least able to accept your argument if it’s correct. However that would require you to explain things to my satisfaction. You either are insufficiently well-versed in your subject mater to do this or you are afraid to get in that ring.

    Your replies are not worth even reading, much more replying to

    Proven false every time you reply and read.

  • You? Reply directly?

    http://i.imgur.com/BUX9eEL.jpg

  • You really are on your false high horse, and within your cloud of self made delusions. All of it within your delusions and in your denial, is self created and while falsely exalting yourself on to a high pedestal built on a large pile of denial and refusing all evidence, insanity.

    I am not dealing here in assumptions. I am as to the vaccine issues, dealing in verifiable facts, obvious truth, real data, and the available existing scientific studies.

    And I as well just asked you outline specifically your issues with this article. Beyond providing simply and only more suggested innuendo, you provided nothing but more of the same trash that has already been addressed directly as to the existing replies to this article.

    What do you not understand regarding that supplemental selenium, and as well vitamin E, has been found to, and that it can and does prevent Keshan disease, and which comes from selenium deficiency, and when as well interconnected with Coxsackie B virus? Thus any previously proposed vaccine, was found not needed. Again, what part of that do you continue to fail in comprehending, about those said issues?

    Biol Trace Elem Res. 1997 Jan;56(1):5-21.
    Interacting nutritional and infectious etiologies of Keshan disease. Insights from coxsackie virus B-induced myocarditis in mice deficient in selenium or vitamin E.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9152508

    Selenium Deficiency and Viral Infection
    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/133/5/1463S.full

    As for the issue of homeopathy, it has been existent and used with successful results, on this planet, for far longer than so called chemical big pharma, has existed. So in your mind any benefits of homeopathy in the now over 100 years of its existence, are all only the result of some sort of false and mislead placebo effect?

    Do you really expect that any such studies showing the effectiveness of homeopathy, will and/or ever would be allowed to be published in any so called high impact journal? What do you consider as a high impact journal? Of course, only those journals connected to chemical big pharma.

    To this point, any homeopathic study analysis has been entirely trashed by those with direct and indirect association with, and vested interests in pharmaceuticals. And if they only had placed the spotlight and the same level of scrutiny, on the analysis of drug and vaccine studies, and clinical trials; then we would really have something worth reading.

    Studies such as these, for example.

    The evidence for homeopathy
    http://www.britishhomeopathic.org/evidence/the-evidence-for-homeopathy/

    https://www.homeopathic.com/Articles/Homeopathic_research/Scientific_Evidence_for_Homeopathic_Medicine.html

    http://www.nutrition-matters.co.uk/misc/homeopathy.htm

    Effectiveness of Homeopathy Unfairly Questioned Again

    Recently homeopathy has had negative press coverage again. This was triggered by an overview report published by the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC). The report claims that homeopathy is no more effective than a placebo and there is no reliable evidence that it is effective in the treatment of various health conditions. When first reading this conclusion, it sounds like a fatal blow. But what is the truth behind these findings?

    Homeopathic institutions worldwide have analysed the results of the NHMRC report. They conclude that the report mainly illustrates the difficulty to assess homeopathic studies and not the ineffectiveness of homeopathy. Homeopathic institutions demand larger, well-monitored studies into homeopathy and money to fund these. They also note that the report does not do justice to the many homeopathic studies which have shown positive results.

    The initiative of the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) to evaluate the evidence base for homeopathy is a positive step. So far, very few nations have attempted an objective and thorough evaluation of homeopathic scientific studies although it is surely needed. But it is at this point where the difficulties begin. What is an objective and accurate way to assess homeopathy? Before we ask this question, we should examine the NHMRC report and the “Information Paper” that is presented to the Australian public. (1)

    Read more:
    http://www.hevert.com/market-us/en_US/physicians/medical-education/artikel/effectiveness-of-homeopathy-unjustly-questioned-again

    Last of all, lets see if you can apply your trash right here into wiggling out of and refusing to address these questions, and the provided information, directly.

    You stated.

    [I even gave you an example

    i) Socrates is a man
    ii) All men are mortal
    iii) Socarates is mortal
    If you can create a list of assumptions to my satisfaction (i and ii) and list of logically necessary steps to ones conclusion (iii) and present them in this fashion then you can get my agreement.

    Running from a fight,]

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    It is easily seen that the one person that has actually been seen repeatedly running from this informational fight, is obviously you, so called Graham.

  • So all you are capable of posting, is more irrelevant and nonsensical trash?

    How about if this guy ever replied directly to congress, as to the vaccine issues, and with someone asking the questions, which is fully knowledgeable regarding the seriousness of the existing vaccine issues.

    http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/offit-1.jpg

  • Jonathan Graham

    It is easily seen that the one person that has actually been seen repeatedly running from this informational fight, is obviously you, so called Graham.

    Easily demonstrated as false. If you can’t express your position in a way that I can understand then there simply is no fight to be had. How could I respond to a position which you absolutely refuse to clarify to my satisfaction?

    So the better analogy is that you aren’t stepping into the ring. Now is possible you are simply don’t understand your own position sufficiently. However considering how much you brag about support for your position the only other rational position is that you don’t want to. Which likely means you prefer talking like this than discussing your position.

    If you really had an ace in your pocket why would you prefer that?

  • How about if you just stopped making your quackery supporting claims. So you admit to that you as well can not handle the reality of a study showing so called modern medicine in 2003 to be the leading cause of death in America. It surely has not since improved. And you as well can not handle the reality of the fact that the original study was first published in the American Medical Association Journal, showing in the year 2000 so call modern medicine and its protocols to all in all be shown to be the third leading cause of death in America. And you see nothing wrong with that, and no serious issues at all?

    Ranking 37th — Measuring the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System

  • Why are you replying with irrelevant and nonsensical trash?

  • Jesus baby

    Since you hate America so much why don’t you leave you Mercola shill?

  • Where did I ever state that I hate America, as a country? I never said that at all. In fact the values that this country was originally founded on, are and were some of the best in the world. We need to get Trump elected, and start turning this country back around.

    Benjamin Rush – Quotes

    “Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.”

    “Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution the time will come when medicine will organize itself into an undercover dictatorship. To restrict the art of healing to doctors and deny equal privileges to others will constitute the Bastille of medical science. All such laws are un-American and despotic.”
    ― Benjamin Rush

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/77024.Benjamin_Rush

    Medical Tyranny is Here, and we can’t say we weren’t warned
    http://www.oldthinkernews.com/2012/11/27/benjamin-rush-medical-freedom/

  • The only positions and issues that remain unclear to you and that you claim to not understand, are the issues that you deliberately deny the existence, and the evidence of. The obvious issues that you refuse to deal with on any honest level. Absolutely nothing you claim to has ever been demonstrated as false.

    You have already repeatedly stated and for many months now, that you refuse to discuss my position, and as well any reference and study material that goes with it. That is a refusal; not a call for your sufficiently understanding the position, and nor is it a matter of meeting your defiant and arrogance filled, so called personal requirements which will me your so called satisfaction.

    What kind of bigot even makes such end all discussion and debate of the vaccine issues and studies, twisted and falsified requirements? My position has been repeatedly expressed to you and in front of you on multiple articles, and in what are actually, no uncertain terms. You refuse to face it. Instead you come up with every twisted false excuse in the book to evade it all. You had your chance, and so be it. No one has actually refused to step into that informational ring, but you.

    Nice to see as well that again you could answer and nor respond to any of those 9 questions. Quite obviously it is you that is actually, and as you said; deliberately uneducated in reason and logic. Your major level of hypocrisy as well, and as always; continues to persist.

  • Jesus baby

    Love it or leave it you commie. You can travel to Cuba now. I’ll buy you a 1 way ticket.

  • How beyond stupid are you? A rejection of the corruption within big pharma, the CDC, FDA, Pediatrics, etc., and that within the existing medical monopoly establishment, and which as well attacks and falsely discredits all form of natural healing and heath care; is NOT the same thing as out rightly rejecting America as a country, and in itself.

    I see your angry level and lashing out desperation, but your replies are increasing making you look more and more inept at understanding even the most basic of common sense, and reasoning.

  • I simply played the reply game on the same level that you are. The difference is that at least my post had a point to make, in it. So how is the need for Paul Offit to be questioned under congressional oath, irrelevant and nonsensical to you? He actually has a lot to answer to; the truth be known.

  • This is just more of your sick, twisted deflection. Why are you talking about Paul Offit when we really need to have David Miscavige on the stand? How much is scientology paying you to keep changing the subject?

  • Jesus baby

    You’re a big Colin Kaepernick fan aren’t you?

  • Nope, and I don’t even care who he is.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The only positions and issues that remain unclear to you and that you claim to not understand, are the issues that you deliberately deny the existence, and the evidence of.

    …and you illustrate my point perfectly here. You either don’t have any capability to clarify your position beyond some point or you don’t want to. So there’s really no discussion that can be had. Your answer will always be to dismiss questions. Like you did right now. So you will only fight if you get to hide some part of your argument.

    You have already repeatedly stated and for many months now, that you refuse to discuss my position, and as well any reference and study material that goes with it. That is a refusal; not a call for your sufficiently understanding the position

    Then you really haven’t read what I posted. Which is, of course that discussing things with you is contingent on you being able to clarify to my satisfaction. Sorry Lowell – I’m not responsible for your inability to read.

    My position has been repeatedly expressed to you

    but never to my satisfaction and all requests for clarification are dismissed. At some point one has to realize that if the other persons comprehension is not the goal of your expression then you aren’t really discussing anything with them. Otherwise I could write all my statements in Chinese and that would be considered equivalent to discussing them with you in English.

    Nice to see as well that again you could not answer

    I think you mean that you enjoy having this as the status quo. Which is really just another way of saying you are happy you are not stepping into the ring.

  • “LOL” David Miscavige, who is that? Oh, I looked it up; and I can tell you as well that I have nothing to do with scientology, and could care less about it. I know what I believe, and it has nothing to do with anything like that. How would I be deflecting when scientology has nothing to do anything, and/or with the article issues on this site? You, are actually deflecting. Paul Offit is a perfect target for exposing vaccine ignorance, and the lack of any kind of scientific study backing for his known to be, false claims. And no one pays me for anything in regard to this site, and its posting. And you?

  • My position had been fully clarified, repeated. You can continue on with your twisted and repeated level of obvious insanity, all that you want. When you can answer any of those 9 questions, we can start with that.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’ll just point out that a D.O. in the US is different than a D.O. just about everywhere else. In the US they are licensed medical doctors with some training in added magical fairy nonsense. Everywhere else they are more like Chiropractors. That said, Mercola graduated in the 50’s IIRC. So I’m not sure what the state of things was then – even medicine in 1950 wasn’t so great and it isn’t like Mercola has been doing anything to advance his medical knowledge either.

  • Jonathan Graham

    My position had been fully clarified

    …and again a great example of your problem. Thanks. See there is simply no such thing as “fully clarified” there is only “clarified sufficiently to be understood by someone”. Right now, your position is not sufficiently clear to be understood by me. Any request for clarification beyond some arbitrary point is refused. You prefer it that way. So again, you’re only willing to fight if you get to keep some part of your argument secret.

    When you can answer any of those 9 questions

    As soon as you are capable of defining them to my satisfaction we can talk. Right now, you refuse so there’s no discussion that can be had. Which is clearly what you want far more than discussing with me.

    One can see why that might be of course. You get a fair amount of pleasure out of being abusive – at least here on the internet. This gets you that without having to do any work. :-)

  • All you are doing here again and again, is creating a repeated expose and testament to your own gutless level of in denial insanity. In fact it appears that you have now entirely lost your mind. I knew that would eventually happen.

    Those 9 questions are fully and completely defined. Anyone with any honesty can see that, and what exists as to those questions is easily understood. You have no valid existing excuses left. Get started.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    When you get done with that, you can also move on specifically to this information.

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    Aluminum
    http://vaccinepapers.org/

  • Damo

    Exactly, you have evidence free posts.

  • Jonathan Graham

    All you are doing here again and again, is

    …pointing out how you can’t really have a conversation with someone who you refuse to disclose your argument to to their satisfaction.

    I should point out that while there is no such thing as “fully clarified” (unless you are talking about clarifying to someone else’s satisfaction) you can be at the limit of your ability to communicate. If so, perhaps you should go an think about your position more at perhaps suggest someone who is a bit more knowledgeable to answer the questions that you can not answer.

  • Damo

    “I see your angry level and lashing out desperation, but your replies are increasing making you look more and more inept at understanding even the most basic of common sense, and reasoning.”

    It must be nice to be so ignorant to not even realize your own flaws–even when you deflect them unto others.

  • Damo

    Once again, you confuse opinion with fact.

  • Damo

    ” have only a few times used anything homeopathic, however in all that I know and all that I have studied directly and indirectly about that modality of health care; I sincerely believe that it works, and that it obviously works.”

    Really? If I were you, I wouldn’t trust myself. You gave me a link to studies that prove that homeopathy was just as effective as placebos, and claimed that it was proof that homeopathy works. I wouldn’t trust myself if I was that ignorant about science. Then again, you probably don’t know what you don’t know.

  • Damo

    “Then obviously you are a cheap skate that doesn’t value quality and non toxic ingredients in a sunscreen.”

    I already pointed out that the dollar store sunscreen has the same ingredients as Mercola’s so could you stop shilling for him now?

  • There you go with more of your false discreditation and twisted lies. It has EVERYTHING to do with this article, but your paymaster won’t let you admit it, will they?

  • Damo

    “You as well should have been banned, and deserved to be banned, long ago. There is no place on this site, for someone like you. ”

    Whenever someone outwits you or uses your own words against you, you beg for them to be banned. Really sad. Learned from your idol, Trump.

  • Damo

    “You really are on your false high horse, and within your cloud of self made delusions. All of it within your delusions and in your denial, is self created and while falsely exalting yourself on to a high pedestal built on a large pile of denial and refusing all evidence, insanity.”

    Deflect much?

  • Damo

    You never read your own posts, have you?

  • Damo

    You are a batshit conspiracy theorist.

  • So I am lying about not being connected to Scientology, and that this article is somehow connected to Scientology? Really, and how so? You have made zero connection, whatsoever; and the claim in itself is just mindless insanity filled, preposterous.

  • That surely is a mindless and twisted claim. How do you like now being, banned?

  • You are playing a disgusting game, pretending not to see the connection. It’s obvious to people who aren’t shilling for David. You can’t address the FACTS, so you just resort to this false innocence routine.

  • …pointing out how you can’t really have a conversation with someone who you refuse to disclose your argument to to their satisfaction.

    Again, you are lying. You know all to well that everything I have ever presented with has fully disclosed any argument made, and to now as well include this expose. http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    You know that you can not respond to it because quite obviously no such vaccine safety studies which are outlined there in no uncertain terms, have ever been done. To respond to those questions, and that information, would force you to make and admit to that conclusion. So what do you do instead of that; you simply conduct more attempted distraction and disruption in the attempt again to deflect from and evade it all. You know very well that is what you are doing, and that it is the only thing you are doing.

    I should point out that while there is no such thing as “fully clarified” (unless you are talking about clarifying to someone else’s satisfaction) you can be at the limit of your ability to communicate. If so, perhaps you should go an think about your position more at perhaps suggest someone who is a bit more knowledgeable to answer the questions that you can not answer.

  • Damo

    If I am banned, it is the only way you will win an argument with me.

  • I was were told that you banned, and as well due to your false claims which included lying and baseless levels of sexual harassment. So what are you still doing in here, and how have you managed that?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, you are lying. You know all to well that everything I have ever presented with has fully disclosed

    Easy to disprove. When I’ve asked you a question you’ve refused to answer with a number of excuses – any one of those is a failure to disclose. Let’s pick one “it’s obvious”. If something is obvious it was not by definition disclosed by you. Remember that’s what you JUST said.

    I have ever presented

    You can not have presented something you imagine is obvious.

    QED.

    Of course your response is that you don’t have to disclose something which you like to pretend is obvious. However clearly such a position makes it easy for communication to be impossible.

  • Damo

    You can’t answer a simple question about whether or not the Amish vaccinate. After I provided you with many sources that gave the answer. Why would you expect anyone to take you seriously?

  • Damo

    Because, when you lie about me to the moderators, and then they do an investigation and find out it was just you telling lies, they probably figured I was keeping you busy from making more false accusations. Though I can say this much, if I do get banned, we both know that it is not for any of the things that you say. It is because you still refuse to admit that you are scientifically illiterate and have convinced someone at vactruth to ban me.

    Given the fact that you are helping them spread their lies about science, it will be easy to see that if I get banned it is because I don’t follow the approved narrative of science denial. Not because I am sexually harassing you, as you claim. Unlike you, I am not engaged in illicit pastimes.

  • There are no such facts. Go ahead and explain this alleged connection, directly? Or will I have to ask you that for another 25 reply posts, and while you again and again, evade giving us any answer?

  • Reminds me of when I asked you to tell me the difference between a weed and a flower! :-D

  • What part of this do you not understand. The Amish obviously do not vaccinate according to the CDC schedule. There are some Amish that allow some vaccines, but they appear to be very few. Some Amish obviously do not vaccinate at all, and that amounts to clearly to a larger group of people. What more is there for you to argue.

    To my knowledge, no one other than Dr Mayer Eisenstein had acquired additional data on the Amish, or at least that has been identified at this point. I put that in front of you before. Dr Eisenstein stated when he was alive, that he had close to 40,000 files in his life time practice and that the majority of those were Amish files belonging to those that did not vaccinate. He stated that he had found only three cases of autism in his practice, as to those said that did not vaccinate, and all three of those cases had a mother who had taken the thimerosal (containing at the time), Rhogam shots. That is a rather significant statement, and regardless of if you want to take it seriously, and face that, or not.

  • Jesus baby

    Jane Fonda?

  • That’s right, you were posting with just as much spouting off twisted ignorance then, and as you are now. You make for a pretty good a$$ clown, that is for sure.

    One, who, through the fault of his parents conception, is a skid mark in society’s collective underwear.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Assclown

  • Actually, I was trying to imitate the way you reply to others. I didn’t expect you to catch on, but I was consciously copying your style of non-answer counterattacks. No, I have no reason to believe you’re shilling for the Church of Scientology. Did you ever figure out the difference between a weed and a flower, by the way?

  • The difference, is that in what I put forth, that information actually has evidence of the facts and the truth in it. That is the difference between the lies you posted, and the actually constructive information that I post. You are still a complete a$$ clown, and that is all to obvious.

  • First, no one has to lie about you to the moderator, as being directed to your posts makes what your posting activity directly visible, thus readable; and a determination can be made. And you would really maintain such ignorance as to claim to that any person or character name could and would be banned here, based on lies told to the moderator? How in denial twisted is that. Your said said claims and delusions are simply false and preposterous.

    So falsely accusing of illicit past times, is not sexual harassment? It is actually as well, libelous slander.

  • So how about a Congressional hearing about Béchamp and microzymas? If you just show the evidence, the whole world will see the lies of germ and cell theory!

  • So do you expect them to dig up Bechamp from his grave, and to provide that testimony to what he knew? With your lower framework of mentality here, lets dig up Pasteur as well, and get him to testify?

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

    Germ Theories

    GERM THEORY (Pasteur)

    Disease arises from micro-organisms outside the body.

    Microorganisms are generally to be guarded against.

    The function of microorganisms is constant.

    The shapes and colours of microorganisms are constant

    Every disease is associated with a partciular microorganism

    Microorganisms are primary causal agents.

    Disease can “strike” anybody.

    To prevent disease we have to “build defences”.

    CELLULAR THEORY (Bechamp)

    1. Disease arises from micro-organisms within the cells of the body.

    2.These intracellular microorganisms normally function to build and assist in the metabolic processes of the body.

    3.The function of these organisms changes to assist in the catabolic (disintegration) processes of the host organism when that organism dies or is injured, which may be chemical as well as mechanical.

    4.Microrganisms change their shapes and colours to reflect the medium

    5. Every disease is associated with a particular condition.

    6. Microorganisms become “pathogenic” as the health of the host organism deteriorates. Hence, the condition of the host organism is the primary causal agent.

    7. Disease is built by unhealthy conditions.

    8. To prevent disease we have to create health.

    Pasteur Exposed: The False Foundations of Modern Medicine: Germs, Genes, Vaccines [Paperback]
    Douglas Hume (Author)

    Publication Date: Jun 1989

    This extraordinary history of the germ theory, among other things, shows that vaccination far from saving millions of lives has cost millions. In destroying Pasteur’s ideas, the author has introduced us to Bechamp, whose experiments produced the first scientific evidence of how homoeopathy, acupuncture and all holistic therapies can cure disease while conventional medicine can only treat it. The implications of Bechamp’s discoveries are far reaching and have yet to be realized, and it is hoped that this book will be an inspiration to scientists, therapists and the general public who are beginning to sense the futility of the conventional approach.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pasteur-Exposed-Foundations-Medicine-Vaccines/dp/0852074999

    Healing Our Children™
    http://www.healingourchildren.org/page/12/

    Western Medicine is the #1 Cause of Death in the U.S.
    http://www.healingourchildren.org/western-medicine-is-the-1-cause-of-death-in-the-united-states/

  • John

    Give a good reason for Damo to be banned,I have been reading your posts for some time and if anyone should be banned,it should be you.

  • No, Béchamp and Pasteur are dead, but I’d like to hear an expert try to explain how taking a microorganism from a sick host and putting it into a healthy host has nothing to do with the healthy host contracting the same disease. Total coincidence — the healthy host just suddenly became unhealthy and its microzymas just happened to turn into the exact same microorganisms. It’s amazing!

  • Easy to disprove. When I’ve asked you a question you’ve refused to answer with a number of excuses – any one of those is a failure to disclose.

    When you block quote, you should at least have the fortitude to include full sentences. Trying to minimize the actual effect of what I said, does not make it go away.

    A number of excuses, really…where? I never need to make excuses, much more false excuses.

    And you; what are you actually attempting to do here? What you are doing again, is simply using irrelevant and frivolous examples of words in sentences, as excuses for why you can not reply to the posts I have made, and the information I have referenced to. That in the past has included as well all of the relevant articles and referenced to applicable studies, and which were included in that. You continue to put forth nothing but a mindlessly hideous level of false excuses.

    Let’s pick one “it’s obvious”. If something is obvious it was not by definition disclosed by you. Remember that’s what you JUST said.

    If it is in fact obvious, then it does not matter who disclosed it; as it still remains to be obvious. So you are the sole determinate as to what is, or is not considered obvious? Your game continues to be one of denial, and it always will be. That means that absolutely nothing is going to ever be obvious to you, and no matter how obvious it is. Now, if we switched that around to only providing pro-vaccine information here, then suddenly everything would become to you, more than obvious. All of your deliberate confusion and reading comprehension errors, would as well and for the most part, disappear. Get started.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Failure to do anything but create more intentional disruption and distraction. That is all that most trolling shills ever do. Failure to debate the vaccine issues with any true diligence, and honesty. Making repeated posts that contain libelous slander of a sexual nature, and which amount to falsely accused sexual harassment. Falsely accusing the taking of sexual favors from people I have no connection to, as for payment for providing information as to their online information, business, or website. And what appears to be circumventing the systems after being banned for that activity. Obviously you have not read all of so called Damo’s reply posts, on the recent articles.

  • So in your mad world, obviously you can’t answer as to why you said you wanted to take a dead person, and have them testify before congress.

    ….but I’d like to hear an expert try to explain how taking a microorganism from a sick host and putting it into a healthy host has nothing to do with the healthy host contracting the same disease.

    No one said that had nothing to do with the healthy host contracting the disease. It can of course have much to do with it; however resistance to contracting that illness, and as well the recovery of the host if they do acquire that illness, has everything to do with a healthy host that is following the proper protocols and diet. This has been explained to you previously in the past, several times. You again and again deliberately fail to understand the true meaning of the germ theory.

  • obviously you can’t answer as to why you said you wanted to take a dead person, and have them testify before congress.

    My answer is that I never said that. Louis Pasteur and Pierre Béchamp are dead. Obviously, they cannot testify.

    No one said that had nothing to do with the healthy host contracting the disease. It can of course have much to do with it; however resistance to contracting that illness, and as well the recovery of the host if they do acquire that illness, has everything to do with a healthy host that is following the proper protocols and diet. This has been explained to you previously in the past, several times. You again and again deliberately fail to understand the true meaning of the germ theory.

    So germs can travel from one person to another and make the second person sick? That is a thing which can happen?

  • Jonathan Graham

    When you block quote, you should at least have the fortitude to include full sentences.

    It just serves to show to what in your rambling barely cogent screed I’m responding to. You understand and other people will understand.Thus the goal of communication is reached.

    If it is in fact obvious, then it does not matter who disclosed it

    Nobody disclosed it. That’s why you’re calling it obvious. Your claim is that it’s underpinnings do not need to be clarified. That’s what “obvious” implies. So this is – as I’ve demonstrated several times now. A lack of disclosure.

    So you are the sole determinate as to what is, or is not considered obvious?

    Obvious to me? Absolutely. Just like you are the only person who can say what is obvious to you. However just because you claim something is obvious to you – and thus it’s underpinnings undisclosed and undiscussed – doesn’t mean they are obvious to me. Hence if you are communicating with me – then you are responsible to clarify to my satisfaction.

    QED.

  • aaa

  • It just serves to show to what in your rambling barely cogent screed I’m responding to. You understand and other people will understand.Thus the goal of communication is reached.

    That is the most insane comment, and false list of excuses I have ever read. It is just getting far worse with you so called Graham. Obviously the person rambling, barely cogent, and as well as being literally incoherent, is you.

    Nobody disclosed it. That’s why you’re calling it obvious. Your claim is that it’s underpinnings do not need to be clarified. That’s what “obvious” implies. So this is – as I’ve demonstrated several times now. A lack of disclosure.

    Nothing is or ever would be disclosed in your mind and view of it; because you must continue to ignore, and deny it all. The so called underpinnings were not at the time in need of clarifying, as the information had been right in front of you. I do not need to repost and repost again, what you have deliberately ignored. The only existing lack of disclosure is what you have failed to failed to acknowledge exists for information and scientific study. You have it backwards.

    Obvious to me? Absolutely. Just like you are the only person who can say what is obvious to you. However just because you claim something is obvious to you – and thus it’s underpinnings undisclosed and undiscussed – doesn’t mean they are obvious to me. Hence if you are communicating with me – then you are responsible to clarify to my satisfaction.

    The only that is not obvious to you is what you deliberately ignore and choose to not be obvious to you; end of story.

    And don’t worry about how I post my stuff; as that is none of your concern. You can easily follow what has been put forth.

  • Jonathan Graham

    That is the most insane comment

    No, it’s pretty clear. A partial quote shows the read what part of your nonsense I’m responding to. It’s pretty clear without even quoting complete sentences.

    Nothing is or ever would be disclosed in your mind and view of it

    Incorrect, since I’ve asked questions about your position (which you have dismissed with “it’s obvious”) clearly I have considered you to have provided some part of your argument. Otherwise I couldn’t ask a question about it. QED.

    The only that is not obvious to you is what you deliberately ignore

    Nope. You’ve claimed “it’s obvious” which as demonstrated can not be something you’ve disclosed. Ergo I can’t be ignoring it. QED

    And don’t worry about how I post my stuff

    Hey you learned how to close a tag…congratulations!! We should have a party. This is one of the most useful things you’ve achieved on Disqus.

  • Jonathan Graham
  • John

    If everything that you say is true,one would think that the moderator would step in and take action.

  • Damo

    So the only evidence you have is this doctor’s files, yet you don’t have any actual numbers. No real data. Just his word that 3 sick kids are his only vaccinated Amish patients. And you don’t realize that the Amish are all over this country or that the links I posted proved that vaccination occurs in the Amish community.

    Just give it up. You were caught in another of your lies.

  • Jesus baby

    “So germs can travel from one person to another and make the second person sick? That is a thing which can happen?”
    Lol Lowell doesn’t understand Bechamp’s theory either. But he believes in it.

  • If these questions and the information that goes with it are involving only assumptions, then why can you not respond to it with any answers? This is and should be the gold standard in supporting your own claims; and repeatedly, you can’t do it.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • So you have no ability to explain how that is deflecting, and because it is not at all deflecting. Graham is the person obviously deflecting. If you can not produce a post with any actual substance in it, then don’t waste my time in reading it.

  • He states that he did, and as I said. Somehow, this a$$ hat jerk is still managing to keep on posting.

  • Those files are enough for most honest people to perceive clearly what really goes on with vaccines, and the issue of autism. And you were given the numbers. You claimed that 70% of the Amish vaccinate, as in fully vaccinated, and that was not true, and by your own Pediatrics article that you posted. I clearly pointed that out. So what do you have?

    The general consensus is that most Amish do not vaccinate, and the ones that do have limited the number of vaccines to only being a few. Again, what do you have to refute that with? What do you have as well to refute the claim that the rate of diagnosed autism is extremely low in the Amish people? Obviously, you have nothing.

    Therefore a fully vaccinated verses unvaccinated health outcomes study could have begun with the Amish population, and already years ago; and that was the original point. For people that profess to vaccines not causing autism, you sure are afraid of the studies being done, that show that they do. In fact it is not just autism, but a much larger picture of adverse health outcomes due to vaccines, than just that.

  • That is really nice, and I bet you just created that today. Surely you are so proud of yourself, as well.

    Nothing could be any further from the truth, and it amounts to only a another entirely false, personal attack.

  • I haven’t dismissed anything and I have not failed to respond to anything in regard to the vaccine information and the specific questions I have put forth. You are the only one between us, that has. All the insanity and as well twisted replying nonsense that you can attempt to come up with, will not and can not cover up the truth and the reality of what actually goes on with you. Nothing you have posted has and/or ever will cover up, the reality of your outcome.

    Again, here is your assignment. Answer the questions, and reply to the information directly. You obviously can not do it; so just face it, and admit to it.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Ken S. • 7 hours ago
    So how about a Congressional hearing about Béchamp and microzymas? If you just show the evidence, the whole world will see the lies of germ and cell theory!

    Perhaps you should be more careful, on how you choose your wording then. I fully explained why your statement was in error.

  • No, you assumed that “about Béchamp” means “featuring testimony by Béchamp himself.” That’s idiotic.

  • No it is not, and for all the reasons that I fully explained to you today. If you want to continue to have a deliberate reading comprehension issue, then that is your own problem, and not mine. You simply refuse to be wrong, ever. No trolling vaccine shill can ever be wrong, and no matter what takes place, ever. You are no different.

  • Lynn Dionne

    I am in the health field, a therapist, and have done tons of research on all kinds of extreme testing that is going on as to the ingredients in many of the vaccinations available to the public. In the beginning, they were made up of particles of the disease fed into the body to become immune to the undesired disease. This was probably, at one time in our history of immunization, a good idea. As it prevented such diseases as Small Pox and other such diseases of years gone by. Those diseases were very much a threat to the health of the population as there were very few other remedies that are much more available at THIS time in our history. Thru time, doctors learned that plants, herbs, plants,saps and barks that years and years later became a large part of what became part of a pill as we know them today,,,,,,, only,,, chemists got into the act and started to compensate the plants benefits with various chemicals and lately were known as Generic brands. These “brands” lacked many of the essential goodness that came from the plants. This is why they don’t work for many, many people. But because the Insurance Companies got involved because the “Generic” brands were cheaper, they started denying patients an option to choose what they Preferred to take. Lowell is absolutey correct with his research. These are not something he pulled out of thin air. They are the REAL DEAL.

  • Lynn Dionne

    Soooo, because he knows about the dangers of vaccinations he is now suppose to be a scholar about the Amish people? May I ask what one has to do with the other? Did I miss the connect there or what?

  • Lynn Dionne

    what do you expect him to do go live among the Amish? LOL,,,, he found what he could on the subject , what did you find to counter with or are you just playing devils advocate?

  • Lynn Dionne

    Is he on trial or what? What kind of site is this? Sorry Damo, I didn’t see those posts,,, let me go back and read them. Are they on this discussion?

  • Jonathan Graham

    If these questions and the information that goes with it are involving only assumptions then why can you not respond to it with any answers?

    Lowell, no offense but I need you to put more effort into speaking something better approximating English. What does “Questions and information that goes with it are involving only assumptions?” mean?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nothing could be any further from the truth

    Nothing? So if the definition said instead that you were….

    A Crack addicted alient from Jupiter that knows less about immunology than a block of wood.

    That would be, in your words. More accurate? Well, I don’t really know how UD works but I suppose we could ask them to make this change at your behest.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lowell+Hubbs

  • Jonathan Graham

    I haven’t dismissed anything

    Sure, saying something is obvious is dismissive. QED.

  • So would “we had a conversation about Aristotle” mean that Aristotle was there to offer his thoughts?

    Not a shill, by the way. I make a fool of you for fun.

  • Translation: In your delusional mind, you would love to make believe and think that you do. Obviously, the person repeatedly being demonstrated to be a twisted fool, is you.

    As for your said Bechamp issue, and that you now switch to an example of Aristotle; again, your viewpoint remains to be far to narrow, and as I fully explained in my previous replies. Again, that kind of issue and especially regarding Antoine Bechamp, is not as lack of your having any real focus …simple …as you would like to make it.

  • How obvious are the questions in front of you? And who is actually again being dismissive? Nothing has ever changed, nor as to your continually posted load of cowardly hypocrisy. Should I be addressing you as, “Your Majesty”, or …”Your …Highness”?

    Get started on those questions, and as well with its corresponding referenced to information.

  • Jonathan Graham

    How obvious are the questions in front of you?

    They are not sufficiently well defined.

    Should I be addressing you as, “Your Majesty”, or …”Your …Highness”?

    As usual, I’m asking for what any person who discusses something with someone else requires to have conversation. Sufficient clarification for them to meaningfully respond. Something you continue to refuse.

    And who is actually again being dismissive?

    Hmmm…I wonder.

    Get started on those questions

    No questions or clarifications allowed. Kind of dismissive. :-)

  • A Crack addicted alient from Jupiter that knows less about immunology than a block of wood.

    What that would amount to is only an added degree of libelous slander, and nothing more.

  • Jonathan Graham

    What that would amount to is only an added degree of libelous slander, and nothing more.

    So in other words that would be MORE inaccurate. Ergo something can be further from the truth. Just sayin’

    It’s fun to watch you struggle with blockquotes. Need a hint?

  • Obviously not.

  • Antoine? Who’s Antoine Béchamp?

    EDIT: My mistake — I thought he went by Pierre. He’s been thoroughly discredited either way.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ergo something could be further from the truth.

  • What you are attempting to put forth is just another added to, twisted, and false rationalization for your failure to answer even one of those questions. If you have any honest and direct answers, you would have already responded to it; and with those answers. The point is again, that you have nothing. No matter how you try, and no matter how many times you try to reword my words, and as well your false excuses; there is no way for you to hide that fact.

    What as well do you continue to not understand about that those questions are not about me, personally; and as you insist on making it to be. What those questions involve, are direct questions regarding the obviously unresolved vaccine safety study issues. Instead of directly dealing with those issues, you choose to post only more of your avoidance of those vaccine issues, trash.

  • Quite obviously you are not using the same general use Discus system that I am. A system that works perfectly one time, and then doesn’t work at all, the next time; depending on what you are using.

  • “Ergo” ….do you even have a clue how full of nonsense, and how stupid you look and sound? How does a persons mind, (yours) become that twisted?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I can’t really have much of an opinion on poorly defined questions. Right? So either you can define them better or perhaps someone with deeper knowledge can.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Quite obviously you are not using the same general use Discus system that I am

    I’m using the UI that disqus.com provides. So your inability is I expect your own deficiency.

  • Really? And by who, again Gorski the great Milenko, and well-known online character assassin, falsely masquerading as a science defender ? I have already read his worthless trash. So you are arguing about a person who you did not even know his first name. Your level of actual research done on the issue, surely must have been amazing thing to behold.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ergo is Latin it means “therefore” such as in Cogito ergo sum – which is a translation of Descartes je pense, donc je suis. I’ve never met someone so under educated that this term was a problem for them.

  • I know his first given name was Pierre. The cell and germ theories have been very well supported since the 19th century, but it’s cute that you cling to microzymas.

  • So all you can do is respond with more of your crazed in denial madness. Butchering two short paragraphs into four sections of only more responded with lying denial, is clearly not helping your case.

    Just answer the questions.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers

    1. Where are the safety studies regarding the vaccine safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule?

    2 Where are the vaccine safety studies regarding the known practice of injecting a small child with from 5 and up to nine or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit?

    3. Where are the vaccine safety studies in regard to the safety of injecting vaccine aluminum adjuvants?

    4. Where are the vaccine safety studies regarding the practice of injecting both vaccines with attenuated live viruses in them, together with as well killed vaccines with aluminum adjuvants in them.

    5. Where are the studies showing the vaccine safety of vaccines which are contaminated with human diploid cell short and long chain DNA contaminants, due to the use of human diploid tissue in the growing of the vaccine antigens in childhood vaccines? Where are the vaccine safety studies in regard to any other vaccine that has been known to be contaminated with the substances that the vaccine antigen was grown on, and from?

    6. Where are the vaccinated verses entirely un-vaccinated health outcome studies? Thousands of children still exist in the US, with active vaccine exemptions. The Amish community as well have had thousands of un-vaccinated children within their communities. Just because a small group of Amish were falsely fear mongered into vaccinating and ended up at a clinic in the attempt to diagnose and treat resulting childhood autism; does not mean that the entire Amish community vaccinates, and has been falsely eluded to. Obviously there is no need to not vaccinate, simply to do this study.

    7. In regard to the MMR vaccine. How does the CDC as well continue to ignore this long list of studies showing the harmful effects of, the vaccine injury effects of; and as well in these studies there as well appears be an obvious MMR connection to autism? The controversy does not only revolve around a single 1998 study by Wakefield, and as well a single study connected to the CDC’s, William Thompson. And the so called official word that they tell you is that any vaccine/autism link has been dis-proven, and debunked; right? Really? Lets look further.

    Research References
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe Official Website
    http://vaxxedthemovie.com/

    REP. Bill Posey Calling for an Investigation of the CDC’s MMR reasearch fraud Rep. Bill Posey brings former CDC researcher and now Whistleblower, Dr. Bill Thompson’s letter regarding significant files they omitted and destroyed to avoid reporting any significant race effects in their study.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546421/rep-bill-posey-calling-investigation-cdcs-mmr-reasearch-fraud

    CDC Scientist: ‘We scheduled meeting to destroy vaccine-autism study documents’
    https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-scientist-we-scheduled-meeting-to-destroy-vaccine-autism-study-documents/

    8. Can you explain how it is possible in regard to the comparisons of systemic adverse reactions, for the FDA in the review and in the approval of vaccines through clinical trials, to allow the substitution of saline placebo, a replacement such as other similar vaccines which the FDA has previously approved as safe? If big pharma and the CDC are going to re-assure their claim to the public that vaccines are safe; then why are not real saline placebos required in the comparison of systemic reactions. Lets as well look at the clinical trials on Gardasil. One placebo was the aluminum adjuvant, and the other appears to be HPV virus like particles, in the vaccines carrier solution. It is all in the over 400 page document that Merck submitted to the FDA on their said Gardasil clinical trials. No wonder the comparison between the vaccine and placebo graphs appear to be so similar. And with this going on, the public is actually supposed to retain their assurances of proven vaccine safety? I think not.

    9. Are you aware of the fact that SV40 a known contaminant in the early 1960’s polio vaccine, is still being found in children today, and which are to young to have ever had that known contaminated vaccine? SV40 is as well known to cause benign tumors, and cancer. Are you as well aware of the fact that vaccines today still contain the unresolved risk of there being contaminants in them that can cause and create adverse health effects? Contaminants from any once living animal, or human cell source, on which the vaccine antigens were grown on and from. This is clearly a remaining unresolved problem, and as witnessed again in regard to the vaccine Gardasil.

    Lets also take a look at the existing studies that allegedly show no connection between vaccines and autism. Actually, general vaccine injury, and immunological harm done, and without the evidence of autism, is an equally as serious an issue.

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And, what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiolgical studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unrealiable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    Read more:
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    14 Studies
    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

    Read more, as to more information on and relating to these questions.

    Source:
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Antoine? Who’s Antoine Béchamp?

    Very well supported by who? You mean, it has been supported by the big pharma schooled standard medical model, that has conducted with the help of the equally corrupt FDA, a stranglehold mafia style monopoly on, and of all health care for the past 100 years. That is what you mean. An organization that has everything to lose if they were ever to admit that their beliefs in treating largely only the symptoms form of chemical medicine, was based on a false foundations from the very first time they ever opened a medical office, that falsely branded all forms of natural health care as unproven quackery. Unproven quackery they called it, and while the real big bucks for profit quackery took the stage, and was unstoppable from that point on; and even today. That is what you mean.

    Antoine Béchamp

    Pierre Jacques Antoine Béchamp (October 16, 1816 – April 15, 1908) was a French scientist now best known for breakthroughs in applied organic chemistry and for a bitter rivalry with Louis Pasteur.[1] Béchamp developed the Béchamp reduction, an inexpensive method to produce aniline dye, permitting Perkin to launch the synthetic-dye industry. Béchamp also synthesized the first organic arsenical drug, arsanilic acid, which Ehrlich later synthesized the first chemotherapeutic drug from. Béchamp’s rivalry with Pasteur was initially for priority in attributing fermentation to microorganisms, later for attributing the silkworm disease pebrine to microorganisms, and eventually over the validity of germ theory.[1][2] Béchamp also disputed cell theory.

    Claiming discovery that the “molecular granulations” in biological fluids were actually the elementary units of life, Béchamp named them microzymas—that is, “tiny enzymes”—and credited them with producing both enzymes and cells while “evolving” amid favorable conditions into multicellular organisms. Denying that bacteria could invade a healthy animal and cause disease, Béchamp claimed instead that unfavorable host and environmental conditions destabilize the host’s native microzymas, whereupon they decompose host tissue by producing pathogenic bacteria. While cell theory and germ theory gained widespread acceptance, granular theories became obscure. Béchamp’s version, microzymian theory, has been retained by small groups, especially in alternative medicine.[2]

    Life and career

    Read more:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_B%C3%A9champ

  • Jonathan Graham

    The questions are poorly defined. Sorry.

  • Riiight. That must be why medical research in every country on Earth is predicated on cell and germ theory.

  • I clearly know what it means. And how do you just somehow falsely assume that I didn’t know what it meant? Then you as well just simply continue in your own personally attacking desperation, with an added to it and additional false claim. If I am so under educated in these matters, then why is it you that repeatedly ends up looking like the clown?

  • That link in itself does not take you to anything, and of course I have already been on all the applicable Discus syntax info pages. Its really none of your business. How about if you address your own deficiencies and your inability to get honest enough to answer those 9 questions? How I post thus becomes largely irrelevant, compared to that outcome.

  • Do I need to copy and paste it all for you again, and for everyone to read? Everyone can see that you are shamelessly lying. Anyone with any honesty can see that. It is your choice to continue posting, and in it looking as bad for you, as it does.

  • Big pharma is world wide; you didn’t know that? What a small world you live in? Nothing much changes, no matter what continent you are on. However you could probably get better general health care in China, than you would in the US.

  • Everyone can now see how sick and lying your claim really is. Anyone that is honest about it.

    How did you mind become that in denial, twisted? Is there any reason at this point that you shouldn’t be banned, for your months and months long now repeated failure to debate the vaccine issues in any diligence and honesty? Again, more deliberate distraction and disruption is all you ever create and conduct.

    Are you familiar with the terms, cognitive dissonance, and intellectual dishonesty? And would you say that those terms, do not apply to you? Lets see how big of a twisted rant you can create, in denying that?

  • If Big Pharma told you gravity is real, would you jump off a bridge?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I clearly know what the term means

    Well you sure made a fuss about an easy to understand term.

    If I am so under educated

    You are.

    why is it you that repeatedly ends up looking like the clown?

    Because you severely lack the ability to see how you look to others.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It wasn’t intended to be a link – it’s just a reference to the website I use. Pointing out that I am not doing anything special. You are the one who’s oddly deficient in your ability to use standard XML tagging structures.

    Its really none of your business

    Says the person who has been whining about how I format my replies.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The questions are not sufficiently well defined for me to make a meaningful response. Either you answer some questions about them or they will remain so.

  • Jonathan Graham

    In case you haven’t been in human society very long Lowell. The way you deal with someone who doesn’t understand something is you agree to answer questions for them.

    Now I get that the real reason here is probably that you are unable to answer my questions. Which is why you prefer this impasse as much as or more than actually discussing these issues with me. However it’s interesting that you don’t know that.

  • And even that reply you had to hack to bits with Syntax, with partial sentences, and as always. Then you do nothing but reply again in complete denial as to the reality of the obvious truth.

    Let me as well tell you something else. It is much more honorable to use a character name, and that everyone realizes is only that, than you use a false identity with a name in it like Jonathan Graham in it, you that you know you have already admitted to, is a false name identity. You did that simply with the intention of falsely adding to your credibility, but the truth is that you do not really have the balls to identify your real name, and your actual identity; and like I do and have always done. You see people that really believe in their putting forth the truth message, and in their mission, and as to the information that they promote, those people use a real identity. Especially, when they are doing what you do, and which makes it even more essential.

    It must really suck for you to be paid to sit on the articles of this site for the majority of the day and night, seven days a week, and just waiting for a person like me, to reply post again. Within minutes, you are back in here replying to what I responded with. What kind of a sick person, pays you for that? You said you work, or have worked in the medical field. Really? What kind of a career in the medical field would allow for you to continue to reply posts for now endless months, and as much as you do, all hours of the day and night? Looks pretty shady, to me.

    Oh, and how about if you once and for all made an attempt to respond to those 9 questions, and the corresponding information I have provided?

    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • First of all, why would you think that I have not been in society very long? I am 59 years old. Do you somehow think that I live under a pile of rocks, and like you obviously do?

    What questions in regard to vaccines, have you ever presented with? You have actually presented with nothing at all, here. Instead, all you have done in regard to my specific questions, is claim to repeatedly that the questions do not meet with your satisfaction as to their clarity, and that they do not meet with a format that requires your approval; and which of course it never does and never will. As if you are some self presumed and to be demanded to be assumed, great and grandiose god of science, in the sky.

    There is no said impasse here, whatsoever; but the one you have in your twisted mind, falsely created. I have been for endless months now discussing, and I have continued to be discussing the vaccine issues, with you. Every time the scientific studies issues are again brought forth by me, you only again embed yourself in more false and twisted excuses, as to why you can not, and yet refuse to respond to that issue. We could take this thing as to the issue of the available studies, much farther than this, and as you have seen me do before. Here is your starting point, today. If you again refuse to respond, then what does that say about you? It clearly says that you are the real quack, and a fraud. So when are you going to actually face that reality?

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Those questions are not sufficiently defined enough for you; only because you know that you have no answers. What do you not get about this? These questions are your questions to answer, as to the available vaccine safety study research. I can put forth the real studies that the CDC and Paul Offit ignore, all day long; and you have seen me do that. This is your turn to provide us with the actual vaccine safety study research, and as I have outlined in my questions. There are no questions left for me to answer about those said questions, and all of it is obviously outlined, in no uncertain terms.

    Get started.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    Don’t forget to respond to this as well.

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    http://vaccinepapers.org/

  • You obviously pointed out, nothing. It wasn’t intended to be a link, but you posted a link to the syntax system you use. But the link actually went directly to no such system. So, excuse me if I determined that all you are posting, is a smoke screen. The only one oddly deficient in anything, is you.

    You cut my posts to shreds and partial sentences, because you have an inability to respond directly to them the normal way, and that everyone else normally uses. You think that somehow using syntax to post with makes you look smarter, when all it actually does is make you look much dumber, and obviously far more deliberately evasive.

  • I don’t believe anything that big pharma says, and you should know that by now. …If Big Pharma told you gravity is real . What kind of sense does that make? So a person should and would jump off a bridge, because gravity is said to be real; and they if apparently they didn’t know that before? So somehow you think that I don’t know that gravity is real? Really?

    Remember those pictures of your head injury that you previously showed me, on a previous article? You said you hit a power line and fell off a scaffold. It looked more like someone hit you with a baseball bat? So why did they do that? I think you actually have more serious issues here, than anyone may have realized.

  • So you can not reply? Why is that? And do you as well realize that no one within the standard medical model is allowed to think for themselves, and outside of the and their standard issue of big pharma based medical schooled, brain washing? If they speak out in any determined to be politically incorrect way, and especially on the issue of vaccines; they all know that their career is going to eventually be gone, and as well that their license to practice. What does a doctor do when he realizes the vaccine truth, and many have? Do they simply throw their license to practice in the trash, and walk out the door? it is all an over simplified world for you, so called Ken S. That is the only way you can continue to exist; in complete denial.

  • Oh, I do know it. The trouble is that you’re not a skeptic or a critical thinker. You simply see what the prevailing theories and practices are and automatically denounce them. In denouncing them, you become a confused mess. For instance, you claim to reject germ theory, but when I press you on basic facts of disease transmission, you accept the fundamental premise of germ theory. When you show me a study, your conclusions are unsupported, if not outright contradicted, by the text of the study. It appears you failed to understand my last comment, too. It’s not about gravity. It’s about your complete inability to evaluate an individual idea based on its own merits instead of clinging to the genetic fallacy. Your thought process seems to work as follows:

    A: Everything that Big Pharma says is false, no exceptions.
    B: Big Pharma says that germs spread disease.
    C: Germs do not spread disease.

    By declaring all of it false without examining it, all you have to do is find a conspiracy theory that claims that every medical organization in the world is in on conspiracies to deceive people about vaccines, HIV, germ theory, cell theory, chemtrails, and so on. If Big Pharma came out in support of gravity, your thought process would likely work as follows:

    A: Everything that Big Pharma says is false, no exceptions.
    B: Big Pharma says that gravity is real.
    C: Gravity is not real.

    So, safe in the knowledge that Big Pharma always lies, you should have no problem jumping off a bridge and soaring through the air!

    As for my head, it would be very strange to have a baseball bat on a cargo ship. How can you make such a specific observation, anyway? Do you go around hitting people with baseball bats?

  • I do deny that what you’re saying is true. It’s delusional contrarian nonsense from a paranoid conspiracy theorist who cannot exist without convincing himself that he’s the only one in the room who possesses the Secret Knowledge. It’s not just the vast global conspiracy of almost every doctor in every country for centuries that I’m in denial about — I’m in denial about a lot of other things, too! I’m in denial that smoking is good for you, I’m in denial that plastic is magnetic, I’m in denial that cinderblocks float, and I’m in denial that you have any sense at all.

  • You just made my point, perfectly. And you yet do not realize that?

    So what you are as well saying is that any doctor and and/or so called associated scientist, is free to question vaccines, and as well to publish studies that show directly the harm of vaccines? That is exactly what you are saying, correct? And what happened to Wakefield, and what happened to Dr Moulden, and several others? Don’t even try to just simply say they were proven quacks, because obviously that is not true at all.

    Do you really think that such as Dr Bradstreet, committed suicide? Are you really that ignorant of reality? That would not even make any sense. If they had continued with Bradstreet, in the form that they were as to the FDA; he would have opened a further can of worms as to the information, that they clearly did not want to deal with. They knew he was exactly right, and that he as well had reversed autism in numerous children. The facility he attained his GcMAF product from, was never contaminated. Do you just simply love human suffering, or something; and for the families of those children? You actually can’t see what really goes on in our world, and the for profit and monopoly style control evil, that is behind it? You are really that unresearched, and that entirely ignorant?

    Don’t attempt to just bash the source, actually read the article.

    Family of autism specialist Dr. Jeffrey Bradstreet says forensic evidence points to murder, impossible for bullet entry to be self-inflicted
    http://www.naturalnews.com/054302_Jeff_Bradstreet_murder_autism.html

    Does this man actually sound crazy, and to be a quack to you?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eznko-H_2ts

    How about here?
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbo5vf_health-canada-corruption-dr-andrew_news

    Paranoid conspiracy theories? Really? And how dumb does that make you sound? I think that it is actually and obviously you that is entirely in denial ….NUTS. People like you are the real, quacks. Maybe you should just face it?

  • I clearly do not accept the fundamental premise of the germ theory, and as Pasteur promoted it, and as the big pharma mislead medical model and their schools, teach it. You simply refuse to get it, and by choice.

    Otherwise, your intended big expose here is again nothing but a major misrepresentation, as well and again mixed with only more half cocked and misleading half truths. You wasted your time in even writing it. Until you can do better than that, it is not worth my time as to any further effort in responding to. Your analogies are as well entirely false, and beyond pathetic.

    And no, if I need to and/or if the situation requires it, I will use a rebar; as it is much more effective. But perhaps you already knew that about me. I was just picking your brain, to see where you would go with that. I have my reasons.

  • Jonathan Graham

    you that you know you have already admitted to, is a false name identity.

    Oh, where did I admit that? Of course you can’t say because it’s just your imagination.

    It must really suck for you to be paid to sit on the articles of this site for the majority of the day and night, seven days a week, and just waiting for a person like me, to reply post again

    I don’t get paid for anything like that…and you have really no – non-delusional – reason to believe that I do

    You said you work, or have worked in the medical field.

    Please cite where I have said that. Whoops again you can’t. Why? Because it’s a fantasy of yours.

  • Jonathan Graham

    why would you think that I have not been in society very long?

    Because you are unable to function here in a very socially acceptable way. I already gave the example, normally when someone doesn’t understand your question sufficiently to be able to produce a meaningful answer. You simply answer their questions, not badger them to answer anyway.

    What questions in regard to vaccines, have you ever presented with?

    Every time you’ve told me something is obvious is in reference to an either expressed or implied question. Are you claiming that you’ve never stated that anything is obvious? No? Then you have your answer.

    There is no said impasse here

    Then you don’t know what the term means.

    If you again refuse to respond, then what does that say about you?

    If I say that I don’t think these questions are sufficiently well defined then it probably means that the person who wrote them didn’t do as good a job as they could have. What it says about me is simply that I don’t think they can be answered meaningfully by me. So I need more clarification. If you refuse, that means either you don’t want meaningful discussion OR that you don’t really understand the subject. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    only because you know that you have no answers

    I can have no useful answers to questions that are not sufficiently defined. You might as well be asking: “When is Spain?”

    What do you not get about this?

    Are you agreeing to define things to my satisfaction?

    There are no questions left for me to answer about those said questions

    Meaning what you have no understanding of the subject that could enlighten those questions further? If so, then perhaps you can point me to someone who understands them better.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It wasn’t intended to be a link, but you posted a link

    No I didn’t post a link. The discus system TURNS certain strings into links. Different thing. Anyway if you actually clicked on that link that Disqus inserted and your browser is working properly. You would be taken to the Disqus home page. Where in the top right you would see a little arrow in a “word balloon” or a number. Click on that and you get to your inbox. I either type my responses there or I click on the “view in discussion” button.

    The only one oddly deficient in anything, is you.

    Lowell not only are you somehow unable to understand XHTML style tagging but you can’t even navigate the Disqus site sufficiently.

    You think that somehow using syntax to post with makes you look smarter

    Everyone is using syntax Lowell (or LOL ) English syntax. So you’re going to have to be a little less crazy if you want people to understand what you mean here.

  • Wakefield wasn’t disciplined for criticizing vaccines — he was disciplined for falsifying data and damaging the bodies of children for profit. There is no rule against genuine research into vaccine safety. Vaccine safety studies happen all the time! Only trouble for you is that they rarely find safety problems.

  • Sue

    All I can say is well you are stupid, reading both yours and Lowell Hubbs .. you are just arguing for the sake of arguing even though you know you are wrong.. You explain nothing not like Lowell Hubbs, pull crap out of the air and think you will be taken seriously.. I have never read such rubbish Damo.. just rubbish……

  • Sue

    Ken.S are you fro real, you are talking rubbish, are you really this stupid to think the honest people reading these posts don’t see through your utter ploy to try and discredit a person like Lowell Hubbs who knows what he is talking about and no matter how much lies and venom you trolls dish out he keeps on telling the truth …. you are loosing your battle of lies..

  • Oh, don’t worry. Lowell is perfectly capable of discrediting himself without my help.

  • Sue

    Oh come on Ken.S you know that is not true you know you have a band of merry TROLLS who do nothing but attack Lowell Hubbs or ayone else who shares the truth.. and if you really believe that then why attack him at all…because you are worried about the truth he posts..

  • I expose Lowell’s unhinged wackiness for fun and the benefit of lurkers who might have briefly thought his scientific-sounding links actually contained sound information. What do you think the truth is?

  • Sue

    I know the truth, there was once 1 in 10000 children who had autism now there is at least 1 in 63.and growing every day,. But alas you will attack that, you will have some lie to discount all the sad sad families out there dealing with sick children every day from vaccine damage, you will start spewing out that vaccine have saved so many. and so on and so on, .. but readers are not stupid, if they are on here they are on a path, and when they read post from people like you and then read posts form Lowell Hubbs, who shows the most knowledge,, not you… who shows the most compassion not you and your band of merry trolls.. people are not stupid they know you are on here for one reason and one reason only, and it sure is not to protect our children it is to protect the coppers of BIG Pharma… You talk about links but you don;’t talk about all the children suffering, you do not see what is right infront of you, or should we just go to your links from scientists who are funded by BIG Pharma .. get real Ken S,.

  • I think the compassionate thing to do is to protect children from disease and provide them with actual medical care instead of magic water and crank theories. Want me to start talking about the suffering that alternative medicine causes? Want me up start talking about the suffering of sick and dying children who are infected with preventable diseases? Want me to start showing pictures and statements from autistic people who prefer not to be thought of as worthless defective things to be pitied and treated with fraudulent and harmful “miracle cures?”

  • Sue

    Once again suggesting a poster has said something they have not…where did I mention magic water and crank theories as you so politely put it?? And where have I mentioned alternative medicines and what kinds ,.. no this is typically of the TROLL way .. And you mention statements for people with mild autism on the spectrum I presume as you will not get a statements from as person with autism who bangs his head all day, yells in pain, and lives in a world of their own and is not verbal, so we are suppose to listen to those who do not go through this agonising way to live, we do not listen to the families who suffer along with their children, and correct me if I am wrong, these parents did not use as you put it magic water and crank theories they listened to their doctors and vaccinated as my family did. so please get off your high horse and stop talking rubbish…. You suggest posters who want answers or share the truth are are saying that autistic people are worthless and defective, it is you who make this epidemic of autism worthless and defective it is you who don’t want the truth to come out or are you just to stupid to see what is happening to our children….Ken S.

  • You’re defending Lowell’s ideas, which include forceful rejection of germ theory and support for pseudoscientific treatments like chelation for autistic children. If you don’t want to be confronted on them, don’t defend them.

    If I see decent evidence that autism is caused by vaccines, I’ll pay attention to it. So far, all the good evidence I’ve seen is unequivocal that it is not. You can reflexively reject all evidence against your position by claiming an enormous and bizarre centuries-long shill conspiracy to suppress “the truth” in every country and every medical organization, but I don’t buy it. Vaccines aren’t profitable enough to even break even on a shill conspiracy of that scope.

  • Sue

    I am not defending Lowell Hubbs ideas as they are not ideas and certainly not his ideas, he just speaks the truth..
    Oh really you will pay attention if I have descent evidence, lol come on that is not what you are paid to do by BIG Pharma, so stop talking rubbish… wouldn’t matter if the proof hit you in the eye you would deny it.. every country you quote.. so easy to say what you like .. but readers are waking up to posters like you distorting the truth and just plain lying… you posters are so boring…..Ken S.

  • If there’s a check waiting for me somewhere, I’d really appreciate some help finding it!

  • Sue

    Well lets see now.. if you are getting paid by BIG Pharma you would not admit it.. now would you Ken S????

  • Would not getting paid also be a good reason not to admit it?

  • Sue

    Going back to your statement of ”
    Want me to start showing pictures and statements from autistic people who prefer not to be thought of as worthless defective things to be pitied and treated with fraudulent and harmful “miracle cures?”
    Well you seem to believe what you want when you read information, not that I am saying that Autistic individuals who I am sure feel as you have stated, however if you truly care, why do you just try to put down those who disagree,, should we not being looking at why there is a epidemic of autism and other childhood illness not that vaccines are safe or not safe, but asking the questions why this is happening, I do not see you trying to come up with an answer if you care so much??

  • It hardly matters though. Your claim, your burden of proof.

  • Sue

    It hardly matters, my claim my burden of proof,,mm well you are certainly care about the children.. all I can say is you are a very stupid person, thank god we do not rely on you for our health .. It hardly matters you are a cruel and uncaring that is what i take from your post, but maybe you are just lonely and have not friends..padawan

  • And what does any of that have to do with whether your claim is factual or not? Oh right, absolutely zilch. Your claim, your responsibility to back it up.

    And you know, global consensus. Plus Gadad et al.

    Of course, if it’s all a conspiracy, get hiring those independent scientists.

  • I’m skeptical of the claim of an “autism epidemic” considering how drastically diagnostic criteria and awareness of autism have changed and continue to change in recent years. I just looked up ADHD statistics to compare diagnoses over time, and they are wildly inconsistent from place to place and year to year. Developmental disorders have only recently gotten close attention, and the definitions are still changing. The number of diagnoses is significant, but so is the context in which they’re made. For instance, very few people were diagnosed with gender dysphoria in the 1950s, but that doesn’t mean that it didn’t exist, or that there’s a “gender dysphoria epidemic.”

  • So your evidence that Ken is getting paid would be what exactly? You do actually have some, don’t you?

  • For heaven’s sake:

    Does a random stranger on the internet really need to explain to you that 400 dead per year is a worse fate than autism?

  • Sue

    Oh my dear…. factual or not.. zilch.. lol,, my responsibility to back it up do you hear yourself.. if has been backed up and backed up,, then we get your merry bunch of TROLLS to deny deny deny.. oh go get a vaccine…

  • So glad to read that! If it’s already been backed up then it should be easy to repost the evidence. Get on with it.

    Read Gadad et al yet?

  • Sue

    Well I am sure you know Ken he is part of the team, so am sure you know.. You must be Ken s’s hero.. how you are sticking up for the lad.. lol Go padawan…..

  • I’m not sticking up for him or not sticking up for him. I am simply asking if YOU have any evidence for YOUR claim that Ken.S is being paid – do you?

  • Sue

    Does a perfect stranger have to tell you that not only the health system around the world will not be able to withstand the amount of vaccine damaged autistic children when adults being cared for, and that we have aprox in 63 growing every day children with autism you cold hearted person…. god you are so unfeeling….

  • Sue

    My dear padawan.. evidence has been posted again and again, are you on here to read evidence or just to abuse those who have it.. Me thinks it is the later… as your merry bunch of TROLLS are here to do….Why was there 1 in 10,000 children in the 1970’s with autism, now 1 in 63.. you silly silly cold person.. you maybe trying to bait me honey but it ain’t working..

  • Sue

    Oh come on padawan.. cause you are .. Lol

  • We’re managing fine, thanks. Evidence for this is – remember correlation is not causation.

  • Sue

    Oh god why didn’t I think of that, well you sure hafe all the answers padawan.. what a wally

  • Good. I am not trying to bait you – I am asking you to post evidence for your claim that Ken S is being paid.

    As for autism – which again, this has nothing to do with the claim you’re supposed to be supporting.

    1)Correlation is not causation – evidence that vaccines cause autism please. Something better than Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy.

    2)What do you think happens if you expand the defintion of autism? Please compare the DSM-IV to DSM-5 definitions. Read Baxter et al yet?

    3)Still waiting for evidence that Ken. S. is getting paid – you do have some, don’t you?

  • Well, regardless of whether I am or not – do you have any evidence for your claim that Ken S is being paid?

  • That’s a point, actually. I don’t have all the answers.

    So yes? Oh god, why DIDN’T you think of that?

    Another question I don’t have an answer to is: Does Sue have evidence for Sue’s claim that Ken. S is being paid?

  • Sue

    Oh honey you have got it bad for Ken S.. tell him you care…
    Do you mix in society much, do you see the autism out there.. do you care, I think you only care about thinking you are correct or trying to make others think you are,
    I would say Ken S is a big boy who can look after himself honey .. hey take the advice of your friend.. Lol

  • Sue

    You know those feelings are strong.. or maybe you just have nothing better to add.. Lol

  • Like I said, read Baxter et al. And so? Ken is not the one that made the claim, is he?

  • 1)Why didn’t you think that correlation =/= causation
    2)Does Sue have evidence for Sue’s claim that Ken. S is being paid?

  • Sorry? Who’s the one concerned about autistic adults and kids being exposed to the idea that they are a worse outcome than a literal plague? Is it you? No, I don’t think so.

  • Sue

    Firstly you wally I never mentioned the plague.. secondly I do not compare that seems to be your bag.. I just care.. which does not seem to be your bag.. so when you are trying to post back at me.. stop all the bull and the theatrics…The powers that be in the past also believed in witches and burnt those poor souls at the stake… I just care about our babies and children of now, and hope that the truth comes out so we can save our babies…
    Plague people like you are a plague padawan….

  • I know you didn’t. That’s why I used the indefinite article and not the definite article. A plague, not the plague.

    I am trying to get you to release the truth so everyone can see – why are you not co-operating. If it’s the truth, you can post that evidence, right?

    “People like you are a plague” I thought you didn’t compare?

    Still waiting for your evidence that Ken. S is getting paid. Still waiting for your thoughts on Gadad et al and Baxter et al.

  • AutismDadd

    Have you tried the welfare office?

  • AutismDadd

    So you are basically claiming that because TWO congressional hearings made attempts to have research done comparing vac vs unvac and it hasn’t happened, that is your evidence? You are waiting just like others for THAT research to be done. And when an insider like William Thompson confesses, then disappears you are not suspicious?

  • AutismDadd

    They always expose their I.Q. by talking rubbish like that. Credibility is nonexistent.

  • AutismDadd

    Are you coming unglued?

  • AutismDadd

    He’s an unpaid shill

  • AutismDadd

    I imagine you would also oppose advancing science with Wakefield’s Transfer Factor Vaccine. Since it would replace the MMR it must have been one hell of a vaccine. Plus it would not be injected. But the General Medical Council said hell no, we can’t advance science because our British Medical Journal, which the GMC operates, gets major funding from MMR makers MERCK (synonymous with consumer death) and GlaxoSmithKline.

  • AutismDadd

    Are you 15 years old?

  • AutismDadd

    Another juvenile with the same juvenile responses….yawn fest

  • What do Congressional hearings and edited transcripts have to do with it? This isn’t about America, this is about the consensus of professional physicians, nurses, researchers, biologists, epidemiologists, immunologists, and so on in every country in the world where research is conducted. I don’t care about edited scraps of conversations only recorded by a pro-disease activist. If William Thompson has something shocking to say in public where we can all hear it in its entirety, then I hope he’ll say it.

  • Sue is accusing me of shilling, not being on welfare, AustismDadd. Try to keep up.

  • No, but thanks for your concern! :-)

  • AutismDadd

    I just want to alert the authorities.

  • AutismDadd

    You have to have some sort of income. Are you a destitute man from India who tests vaccines for a small amount of money so you can feed your children?

  • AutismDadd

    Explain consensus

  • Right now, I’m only receiving maintenance and cure payments from the company I was working for when I got injured. I’m living on savings and credit at the moment, but with any luck I’ll be back to work in a matter of months. Family is helping, too!

  • Consensus is a state of general agreement. It is when an idea becomes “common knowledge” and is no longer considered experimental, controversial, or doubtful except by a small minority. A few global medical consensuses are the validity of germ theory, the relationship between HIV and AIDS, and the effectiveness of vaccination (but not necessarily specific vaccines, which much be individually tested for safety and efficacy).

  • AutismDadd

    In other words the OFFICIAL WORD, and the official word trumps all? Very convenient way to force ideas on all countries and all medical professionals. I imagine you can’t provide the small print that warns us about the side effects of medical consensus.

  • AutismDadd

    Vaccine injury?

  • Nope, electrical and fall injury.

  • The “official word” does not trump good evidence. It used to be the “official word” that animal cells removed from the body are immortal. Trouble is, that “official” word depended on a single experiment by a French biologist (Alexis Carrel) that nobody else has ever been able to replicate. It took almost two decades after he died for Leonard Hayflick to convince the medical establishment that Carrel was wrong. He conducted experiments with predictable, repeatable results showing that animal cells are not immortal. He changed biology forever by replacing bad evidence with good.

    It’s not as effective if you try to replace good evidence with bad.

  • Sue

    You are so right, or they pick out one thing you say and keep attacking about that one thing to distract off everything else…

  • What a load of complete garbage. You actually do not have no ability to present with anything here at all, but what again will be determined to be just additional false vaccine propaganda load of misleading trash. Get started, with your said expose.

    Meanwhile perhaps you should as well also acknowledge that you have never had the ability to respond to any of this. You talk a load of nothing but misrepresented garbage, Ken S. Get off your lazy and trash talking duff, and actually start posting some referenced to facts, and studies?

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Sue

    People like me are a plague are we,,.. of course we are because we won’t agree with your lies, because we won’t bow down to your propaganda, because we ask questions and look for the truth.. because we have a child .. family member who has been terrible vaccine damaged, because we followed the rules and got our children vaccinated only to make their lives miserable, because we see the growing numbers every day of vaccine damaged children.. why is there is so much child cancer..,.. celiac disease, juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, type 1 diabetes … autoimmune disorders …..so many many sick children .. and vaccines are such a great thing.. you said basically sacrifice the few for the many.. I think it is the other way around..sacrifice all for the profits of BIG Pharama, and they are not even accountable for damage, all court proceedings are done behind closed doors, if vaccines are so safe why is the courts hearings not out in public domain…. maybe we should stop driving cars so we do not have any car accidents,, who is the plague those who lie and try to blame others for it.. I believe in freedom of choice what do you believe in.. thank god my country does not make it compulsory to have vaccines..children….
    Vaccinated Children 5 Times More Likely To Suffer From A Range Of Diseases
    In September 2011, German researchers carrying out a longitudinal study surveyed a total of 8000 unvaccinated children from the ages of 0 –19. As with the New Zealand study, researchers collected their data by conducting a survey using questionnaires. [2]
    Results showed that vaccinated children were up to five times more likely to suffer from a variety of diseases and disorders than unvaccinated children.
    Their results were compared to another German study (KiGGS), which examined a larger sample group consisting of 17,461 participants between the ages of 0 –17.
    Other Conditions Found To Be Almost Non-Existent In Unvaccinated Children
    Dr. Andreas Bachmair continued his report by stating that their study found the prevalence of sinusitis, warts, skin problems and middle ear infections were also much lower in the unvaccinated children, as were the cases of diabetes and epilepsy.
    He went on to say that the results demonstrated that the prevalence of many conditions in the unvaccinated children were also significantly lower. These were..
    As we included open questions in our survey we evaluated the prevalence (of the first 10,070 participants) of some other disorders and illnesses. Unvaccinated children show very low prevalences of the following disorders:
    Dyslexia: 0.21%
    Speech delay/articulation problems: 0.38%
    Sensory Processing disorder: 0.28%
    Anxiety: 0.25%
    Depression: 0.12%
    Bedwetting: 0.12%
    Celiac disease: 0.12%
    Gluten sensitivity: 0.41%
    GERD (Gastroesophageal reflux disease): 0.06%”
    Dr. Bachair concluded his amazing and intuitive paper by adding a number of statements from parents, which I believe really added weight to her overall findings.
    Conclusion
    I find it amazing that despite mainstream media and leading government agencies stressing repeatedly that studies comparing vaccinated children to unvaccinated children cannot take place for ethical reasons, groups around the world are taking it upon themselves to do these studies anyway.
    While surveys of this kind are often dismissed as being purely epidemiological and passed off as little more than stamp collecting, I believe that studies of this nature should not be dismissed out of hand. After all, many stamp collections contain just one stamp that is worth far more than its weight in gold.
    These studies show without doubt that unvaccinated children are healthier than their vaccinated peers and, for this reason, these studies should be given careful consideration by all parents and professionals studying vaccination safety.
    ”References”
    1. http://www.viewbix.com/v/Unvac
    2. http://healthimpactnews.com/…/
    3. http://www.vaccineinjury.info/
    4. http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/auti

  • It is called deliberate disruption and distraction, and that is all they ever do. They can not back up anything that they say, ever; and they just keep on spouting the same obviously false personal accusations, and attacks.

  • Sue

    The Status of Our Children’s Health
    The amount of chronic childhood illness is increasing at a dramatic rate. Today one in ten Canadian children have one or more life threatening afflictions. In the last 25 years there have been huge increases in the following childhood illnesses:
     Autism – increased more than one thousand fold in less than a generation; autism spectrum disorders now affects approximately 1 in 50 children.
     Impact on Development – Over 27% of Canadian children fall short on at least one measure of physical, emotional or cognitive development by age 5.
     Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) – 1 in 10 children
     Learning Disability – 1 in 6 children affected
     Severe Mood Dysregulation (bipolar disorder) – 1 in 30 children affected
     Allergies – increased 6X since 1980
     Anaphylactic Food Allergies – doubled in the last decade
     Eczema – 1 in 5 children affected
     Asthma – 1 in 8 children affected; 10% of Canadians 2-7 yrs old
     Obesity – tripled since 1980; 25% of Canadian children overweight/obese
     Juvenile Diabetes – more than 100% increase since 1980

    At the same time North American children are now the most vaccinated children on earth. Since 1980 Canadian vaccine schedules have more than doubled the types of vaccines given. Public health authorities now recommend 32 – 41 doses of 13 to 16 different vaccines in the first 18 months alone. New Brunswick, the Northwest Territories and Nunavut start injecting babies at birth. By the time a child is six years old he or she will receive approximately 49 doses of vaccines in an attempt to artificially boost immunity. What role does artificial immunization play in the substantial increase in chronic illness in our children? Without properly designed clinical trials that compare a vaccinated population with an unvaccinated population, we may never know the answer. Its time we knew! The medical establishment considers vaccines effective if they suppress a few targeted illnesses – but at what expense? An emerging body of evidence indicates that artificial immunization can and does damage a child’s developing immune system and brain, leading to life-threatening or debilitating disorders like autism,
    ADHD, asthma, peanut allergy, juvenile diabetes, or SIDS, death itself. ‘For the first time in history…children are sicker than the generation before them. They’re not just a little worse off, they are precipitously worse off, physically, emotionally, educationally and developmentally.’

  • Sue

    That is for sure, thanks you for your great posting I read them al the time, I have learnt so much from you and what you share…. Lowell Hubbs.. Cheers Sue

  • And right behind you, three other obvious trolling shills post a like on your post. Is that supposed to actually impress someone? Who?

    Your problem is that you fail to correctly access the real vaccine risks. You as well deny the real vaccine risks as if there are none. Well, you are very seriously mistaken, on that issue.

    Autism costs estimated to reach nearly $500 billion, potentially $1 trillion, by 2025
    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2015-07-autism-billion-potentially-trillion.html

    £32billion bill for autism, Britain costliest condition: Total cost of treatment, care and support is more then heart disease, cancer and strokes combined
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653518/32billion-bill-autism-Britain-costliest-condition-Total-cost-treatment-care-support-heart-disease-cancer-strokes-combined.html

  • All the trolling shills are obviously paid on this site, and/or they have connected vested interests in vaccines, and/or a career that is connected. Use your head.

  • I thought you said you were concerned about and for the infants and children, and as for and in regard to getting vaccines? Sounds more like an immediate web of denial going on with you. So how can you be concerned for the children, and yet deny the obvious harm that is happening to their health, and due to vaccines? Sounds like you are just another typical trolling vaccine shill, to me? Do you work directly, or indirectly with the other shills that put likes on your posts?

  • How about if you replied to something here that is far more relevant and important? I can spoon feed you those questions one at a time, if you need me to?

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • In your vaccine shilling and trolling world of course, correlation never equals causation if speaking of vaccine injuries, and even resulting death. However when speaking of vaccines eradicating illnesses, then correlation equals causation, every time.

    I have not been vaccinated in over 4 decades, and there are millions of adults that has well have not been re-vaccinated since childhood, or they have at best received a very minimal number of vaccines. Where is your vaccine derived herd immunity, and how do you explain that? But yet you people entirely disregard any associations with natural immunity, and as as if it does not even exist.

    If vaccines can and do eradicate specific illnesses, then why in all these years has not measles and pertussis vaccine, eradicated measles and pertussis?

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine (look at all the listed vaccine failures, in the fully vaccinated)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • I really don’t know how you could end up looking any more stupid and/or any more ignorant. Not only that, but again in entirely misrepresenting the truth. In the shilling world apparently they think a twisted mind is a terrible thing to waste, when it comes to posting on the articles of this site?

  • Jesus baby

    Vaccines don’t cause autism. Hey you anti-vaxxers are supposed to DENY Mr Wafefield was trying to make a new measles vaccine. Didn’t you get the flyer??

  • Jesus baby

    Oh how I wish!

  • Any evidence that I’m a shill? Any at all, besides “you’d have to be paid to disagree with me?”

  • And there’s your phony screed disguised as a list of questions. Tell me, have you stopped beating your wife? El oël!

  • He (Thompson) already has said it; and where were you? And just because he may have later backed away in fear of the loss of his standing and career; thus in your mind, it just never happened, right?

    The Thompson Transcripts: Shocking Revelations by the CDC Whistleblower
    http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/the-thompson-transcripts-shocking-revelations-by-the-cdc-whistleblower/

    Callous Disregard-Research Studies-on the MMR Vaccine
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

  • So cells taken from animals are not immortal. What is your perception of and your definition of immortal, in the context that you are using it?

    Cells in themselves and without the life of an animal or human being present, certainly do appear to be immortal. What do you think they grow vaccine antigens on? Anything from aborted fetal tissue, to green monkey kidneys and a lot more.

    INDESCRIBABLY DISGUSTING VACCINE INGREDIENTS

    SO WHAT ABOUT THE FLY IN OUR SOUP?

    It may not do any harm at all, especially if it has been well heated in the soup!

    However, all injected substances including insect fragments bypass the body’s intricate defense mechanism. The same substances which are harmless when ingested are shown to be extremely detrimental to health when injected. This is learned by medical students and others, but many doctors, health authorities and other vaccine promoters appear to ignore this basic fact.

    Read more:
    http://birthofanewearth.blogspot.com/2012/01/indescribably-disgusting-vaccine.html

    Adventitious Agents and Vaccines
    Philip R. Krause (go to full text pdf)
    Food and Drug Administration, Bethesda, Maryland, USA
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2631857/

    Full text:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2631857/pdf/11485673.pdf

    Issues Associated With Residual Cell-Substrate DNA (I found Explorer worked to download this unbelievable read, and chrome did not)

    (Page 20 and 47 mention the said WHO limit of 10ng of human DNA in a vaccine. But many of the current vaccines are produced with said human diploid tissue, and so what then? No mention of that issue appeared to have been made. As well see there reference made of ongogenic activity, and infective activity. Obviously they do not have any actual and nor sufficient animal and nor human studies on and in regard to this said issue. What they have is literally only presumed estimates. The FDA thus clearly knows of the cancer causing potential, infective potential, and of the unknown potential to create both known and unknown created adverse health situations with these vaccines; such as autoimmune disease as well Wow.)

    http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/05/slides/5-4188S1_4draft.ppt

    New Study in Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology Correlates Autism Disorder Increase and Human Fetal DNA, Retroviral Agents in Vaccines

    (My review of the information): So it should come as no surprise that the FDA has known for decades about the dangers of insertional mutagenesis by using the human fetal cell lines and yet, they chose to ignore it. Instead of conducting safety studies they regulated the amount of human DNA that could be present in a vaccine to no greater than 10ng. (See the FDA PDF reference link below titled, Issues Associated With Residual Cell-Substrate DNA)

    Unfortunately, Dr. Deisher’s team discovered that the fetal DNA levels in vaccines produced with aborted fetal cell tissue, ranged anywhere from 142ng – 2000ng per dose, way beyond the so-called “safe” level.

    “There are a large number of publications about the presence of HERV (human endogenous retrovirus – the only re-activatable endogenous retrovirus) and its association with childhood lymphoma,” noted Dr Deisher. “The MMR II and chickenpox vaccines and indeed all vaccines that were propagated or manufactured using the fetal cell line WI-38 are contaminated with this retrovirus. And both parents and physicians have a right to know this!”

    Certainly these discoveries by SCPI should generate an immediate investigation by FDA officials, if not an outright ban on the use of aborted fetal cell lines as substrates for vaccine production. There are numerous other non-human FDA-approved cell lines that can and should be used.

    New Study in Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology Correlates Autism Disorder Increase and Human Fetal DNA, Retroviral Agents in Vaccines
    http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/965249574.html

    Dr Deisher’s study is available on the Academic Journals website at: http://www.ms.academicjournals.org/article/article1409245960_Deisher%20et%20al.pdf

    Or on their website at http://www.soundchoice.org/scpiJournalPubHealthEpidem092014.pdf

    CDC ADMITS THE PROBLEM

    “- Many novel vaccines are produced in animal cell substrates, and emerging infectious diseases may theoretically be transmitted from animals to humans through these vaccines. The challenge of identifying potential adventitious agents in vaccines closely parallels the challenge of identifying the agents causing particular emerging infectious diseases.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2631857/pdf/11485673.pdf

    Again, here go; two of the most important vaccine related articles you will ever find.

    INDESCRIBABLY DISGUSTING VACCINE INGREDIENTS

    SO WHAT ABOUT THE FLY IN OUR SOUP?

    It may not do any harm at all, especially if it has been well heated in the soup!

    However, all injected substances including insect fragments bypass the body’s intricate defense mechanism. The same substances which are harmless when ingested are shown to be extremely detrimental to health when injected. This is learned by medical students and others, but many doctors, health authorities and other vaccine promoters appear to ignore this basic fact.

    Read more:
    http://birthofanewearth.blogspot.com/2012/01/indescribably-disgusting-vaccine.html

    If You Are In Support of Vaccinations, Read This If You Dare
    http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/if-you-are-in-support-of-vaccinations/

    Most of the below information is taken from the above two articles.

    FDA: ONLY NONBINDING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TESTING

    There is no incentive for vaccine promoters to find substances which are detrimental to health. FDA only presents nonbinding recommendations:

    “If an adventitious agent is known to be present in your cell substrate or viral seed, then you should demonstrate that your production process is sufficiently robust to eliminate or inactivate the agent with an appropriate margin of safety.” http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/guidancecomplianceregulatoryinformation/guidances/vaccines/ucm202439.pdf

    POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES OF INJECTING FOREIGN DNA

    “ – DNA is used from such organisms as animals, animal viruses, fungi, and bacteria. It has been documented that injecting foreign DNA in a human may cause it, or a portion of it, to be incorporated into the recipient’s DNA. The horrendous implications for the unborn defy the imagination.”http://healthwyze.org/index.php/vaccine-secrets.html

    “- most vaccines are contaminated with a number of known and yet-to-be discovered viruses, bacteria, viral fragments, and DNA/RNA fragments. And, further, our science demonstrates that these contaminants could lead to a number of slowly-developing degenerative diseases, including degenerative diseases of the brain.” http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/if-you-are-in-support-of-vaccinations/

    “- The risks of residual retinal DNA and stray viral contaminants from the animal tissues getting into flu shots are real. DNA snips are classified as either “infectious” or “oncogenic” (tumour causing) by researchers who worry that the stray DNA is being incorporated into the recipient’s DNA …”http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri123.htm

    Interview with Dr. Suzanne Humphries. (Regarding contaminants from 33 minutes):
    “- DNA particles from disease matter can get into our DNA and alter us and in my opinion these vaccines are turning us into genetically modified organisms.” http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=BAE7F6323813CFAFB8338173FB11D429

    SV40 VIRUS IS PASSED THROUGH GENERATIONS

    “- many of the contaminant organisms can pass from generation to generation. For example, new studies have found that SV-40, a major contaminant of the polio vaccine until 1963, not only existed as a latent virus for the lifetime of those exposed to the vaccine but was being passed on to the next generation, primarily by way of sperm, something called vertical transmission. This means that every generation from now on will be infected with this known carcinogenic virus. There is also compelling evidence that some polio vaccines manufactured after 1963 may contain SV-40 virus. What makes the SV-40 contamination disaster of such concern is its association with so many cancers…” http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/if-you-are-in-support-of-vaccinations/

    “ – It is impossible to remove DNA contaminants from vaccines. Although weight limits for contaminating DNA were set by the FDA as far back as 1986,vaccine makers have never been able to reach that goal. The CDC decided to limit their weight recommendation to cancerous cell lines and then increase the other DNA contamination allowance one hundred-fold. However, these limits are only “recommendations” and, therefore, the FDA is unable to enforce them. Vaccine manufacturers continue to have the freedom to take scientific measures to reduce contaminants only if they wish.http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=14455

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    Fernanda Martini1, Alfredo Corallini2, Veronica Balatti1, Silvia Sabbioni2, Cecilia Pancaldi1 and Mauro Tognon1*

    Corresponding author: Mauro Tognon

    Author Affiliations

    1 Department of Morphology and Embryology, Section of Cell Biology and Molecular Genetics, School of Medicine, and Center of Biotechnology, University of Ferrara, Via Fossato di Mortara, 64/B. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    2 Department of Experimental and Diagnostic Medicine, Section of Microbiology, University of Ferrara, Via Luigi Borsari, 46. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    To date, the prevalence of SV40 infections in humans is not known. Recent studies, based on PCR and serological techniques, indicate that SV40 infection occurs both in children and adults. (i) SV40 DNA sequences have been detected in normal and neoplastic tissues of people either too young (1 to 30 years) or too old (60 to 85 years) to have been vaccinated with SV40-contaminated anti-polio vaccines [19,33,76-81]. This finding may also explain the lack of difference in cancer incidence between individuals vaccinated with SV40-contaminated and SV40-free anti-polio vaccines [82]. (ii) SV40 sequences and Tag were detected in blood and sperm specimens from normal individuals and oncologic patients [80,81,83-88] and in lymphoblastoid cells [32]. These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    Read more:
    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    Advances in Virus Research, Volume 50

    Pages 83 and 84, read. (Also see the study titled, Simian virus 40 in humans, below on this page)

    Excerpted:

    Moreover, blood and sperm fluid may represent important means for spreading of SV40 in humans.

    Indeed in these investigations, (Martini etal;, 1995,1996) 61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=PfO7D8ZoSMkC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=sv40+is+contagious&source=bl&ots=AlaWsAkp95&sig=RnycQFX2ucD-3zybHQ07FAIeJYk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kZLfT5_mA4qc2QXKz6jtCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sv40%20is%20contagious&f=false

    SV-40 Deadly Cure
    http://www.viewzone.com/sv40x.html

    Types of SV40 Associated Cancers:
    http://www.sv40foundation.org/Types.html

  • Nice strawman.

  • That’s already been answered. Next.

  • If it’s so obvious, show me the evidence and I’ll change my mind in a heartbeat.

  • Ahem. That’s not all autism though, is it? Again, read Baxter et al.

  • So if it’s so obvious, you’ll have no trouble providing that evidence. Quit stalling.

  • From the looks of his previously posted pictures, surely he has been to the disability section of the social security office? He additionally needed to supplement his income, so here he is.

  • Again, Lowell, if it’s that obvious, you should be able to post the evidence. Quit stalling.

  • Try your mail box? Or does it automatically go on a debit card?

  • Anyone that persistent in the denial of the obvious vaccine truth, is a trolling shill. Normal everyday human beings simply could not persist in this environment, and when continuing to have misrepresent the truth, and when they have to continue to lie, that badly.

  • ….Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy…wow that little bitty almost took off and zoomed off the page. How impressive, you think you are smart with words; and that make you only, exactly the opposite. Spend some time with this, and see if you can figure out what the reality of those changes, really mean? It can be a somewhat complex subject matter; so I will just leave you with that.

    DSM-IV – Revision Changes in ASD Diagnosis, May 2013 DSM-V
    http://www.vacfacts.info/dsm-iv—revision-changes-in-asd-diagnosis-may-2013-dsm-v.html

  • Searching for Baxter et al, this is what comes up. If that is incorrect, provide the correct link?

    Understanding Obsessive-Compulsive and Related Disorders
    http://ocd.stanford.edu/about/understanding.html

  • I don’t trust Hooker. He has an agenda and tight control of the recordings and notes he made. That is not sufficient for me. If Thompson has something credible to say, I want to hear it out in the open.

    Here’s the thing. If Thompson agrees with Hooker, you’ll say he’s telling the truth. If Thompson remains silent, you’ll say he’s intimidated into silence by a conspiracy. If he contradicts Hooker, you’ll say he’s lying for the conspiracy. No matter what, your conspiracy theory makes sure you must be right. The one possibility you cannot consider is that maybe there’s a reason Hooker doesn’t share the unedited recordings.

  • An immortal cell is one that divides endlessly and does not die so long as long as it has nutrients. We now understand that most cells can only divide a limited number of times before they die.

    As for fetal cell lines, I recommend looking up the term “HeLa.” Your post makes it sound as though vaccine production depends on continuous industrial harvesting of aborted fetuses. It does not, nor does the supply of HeLa cells depend on endlessly harvesting cancer patients.

  • Haven’t got anything from Big Pharma yet, sadly. I could use it.

  • There is no way to explain away autism diagnosis figures that were previously 1 in 10,000, then going to 1 in 68, after the enactment of the federal vaccine court granting zero legal liability to pharmaceutical vaccine manufacturers, and a resulting quadrupling of vaccines, by saying that has to be only better diagnosis, and at worst, somehow a new genetic epidemic. You make no effort to say, hey we need to find the cause of all this autism? You simply deny that any epidemic of autism even exists. Where were all the autistic kids and those with seizure disorders, when I went to school in the 70’s; and like there are in numbers, today? It did not exist.

    Autism Not Genetic – Says Expert Professor Simon Baron Cohen
    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/autism-not-genetic-says-expert-professor-simon-baron-cohen/

  • And obviously there is nothing you wouldn’t misrepresent, and lie about it. I really could care less if you are paid. You still stink at what you do.

  • When you were a kid, a lot more autistic kids were institutionalized or had no accommodations that made it practical for them to be your playmates, classmates, and co-workers. They weren’t where you could see them. They were also not diagnosed the same way as they are today.

    1 in 10,000 and 1 in 68 are not apples and apples. That makes me think of somebody credulously listing the homosexuality rate in Iran at 0.000 because that’s what they claim it is. These are not just perfect figures to be taken without examination or question — what does the 1 in 10,000 figure mean? How was it reached? How was the 1 in 68 figure reached?

  • How much less could you care?

  • He conducted experiments with predictable, repeatable results showing that animal cells are not immortal. He changed biology forever by replacing bad evidence with good.

    So what was the point to your post, above?

    Only a really desperate poster has to continually try to put words in an opposing reply posters, mouth; and with a false interpretation that was never said, intended to be said, or ever insinuated to be said in the post.

    I have never said that cells used from aborted fetal cell tissue need to keep being reharvested from new abortions. In fact my point was just the opposite of that.

    And don’t tell me what to look up, you deliberately wasting my time, boring stooge; as obviously I have researched far more on the subject matter than you ever have, and/or ever will.

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

  • What part of this do you not yet get? We do not care about who you trust, and as to your twisted, delusional, and lying bullcrap. Did I say I cared about what was sufficient for you? This is not about you, and what you accept. There is no need here to convince, you. The only need here is to show the error in your thinking, and in you ways.

    This is only about what the vaccine truth is showing us, directly.

    Every time you get pushed into a corner with the questions, and information, and as well people like so called trolling shill, Jonathan Graham; all you ever do is come out attempting to be so called fighting in the ring, (as he says), and with simply a claim that this is not sufficient for you. As if you are both the judge and the jury. In any case and form of anything, nothing is ever sufficient enough and in any form at all, for you pro-vax trolls. Nothing ever will be, and no matter what. It is required that you must simply deny it all.

  • My point was that good research corrected a mistake. Anti-vaccine research is invariably poor. It cannot overcome a consensus built on superior evidence.

    You haven’t researched anything. You’ve just looked for information that you think backs you up. You know what I did when I read the paper you cited as your best? I read it. I read the abstract, I read the data, I read the conclusion, I checked into the researchers’ affiliations and funding. I told you why I found it suspect, and why your conclusions were not supported by the study.

    When I showed you a study on dietary sources of mercury, you didn’t read it, couldn’t point out anything actually wrong with it, and dismissed it out of hand.

    Your research skills are shit.

  • Good data presented in the open would be a start.

  • Are you so blind as to not realize that my point is that the corrected mistake that you referenced to, was actually not a corrected mistake?

    And more of your trash talking to go with it. None of that is true, and it is all nothing but more twisted BS. Do you actually expect me to rehash that? And how many times? Would 100 times be enough for you; and you would still be lying, and you would still be misrepresenting it all, and from 4 articles ago.

    You have no research skills to even compare to so I guess the general consensus here is that your skills are actually ….the real …$hit.

  • You’re wrong.

  • Wait a minute…are you saying that Carrel was right and Hayflick was wrong? Chicken heart cells are immortal?

  • I apologize — my definition of biological immortality was sloppy. I’ve edited my answer to more accurately reflect what it means.

  • AutismDadd

    Hey you’ll get there. Stay in school kid

  • AutismDadd

    He had a flyer? Sounds ludicrous

  • AutismDadd

    They are so juvenile it seems they might be earning money as telemarketing shills

  • AutismDadd

    Yea two decades to admit it. Its been longer for autism caused by vaccines, but one day someone could have the courage to prove it.

  • Jesus baby

    I know, right? But it explains why he falsified all that data, so y’all ain’t supposed to talk about it.

  • AutismDadd

    AFTER vaccination? Did you report to VAERS?

  • Jesus baby

    Are you kinda retarded? I don’t mean that as a personal attack BTW.

  • Only trouble with that is that numerous experiments have found no connection between vaccines and autism, despite specifically looking for one. It takes evidence to overturn the status quo.

  • Naturally!

  • Sue

    You are so so right

  • AutismDadd

    Careful using the word naturally, you’ll get attacked by shills

  • AutismDadd

    Numerous experiments? That’s some claim. Now you have to supply them.

  • AutismDadd

    No offence taken. Why you looking for some peer pressure?

  • AutismDadd

    Buh Wah Ha Ha yea and I have my life savings in 3 dollar bills

  • Sue

    Measles
    The first measles vaccine was licensed in 1963. The fact that the death-rate was off the graph and that there was no conceivable reason, other than commercial, for the vaccine’s existence, made no difference to the vaccine’s promotion by the makers, doctors, media etc.
    ‘The measles vaccine is a fairly recent innovation of the commercialised blood-poisoning business called vaccination…It was not that it was needed or wanted by the people; it wasn’t: nor that measles is a dangerous disease; it isn’t: and it was not that the vaccine-promoters had a safe and effective vaccine; they didn’t…It was merely that they saw another opportunity to force a different vaccination scheme on the people…The vaccine promoters know the parents…will believe almost anything.’ 5
    In a 1986 outbreak of measles, in Corpus Christi, Texas, 99 percent of the children had been vaccinated. 8
    In Nov. 1994 the government launched a £3.5 million ‘measles kills’ advertising campaign. Outrageous television advertisements, in suitably-stark black and white, were designed to terrify parents into having their offspring jabbed to prevent the coming epidemic of ‘life-threatening measles’. The adverts. provoked 40 complaints to the ‘Independent Television Commission’, which duly dismissed them.
    Over 7 million children were jabbed in the enterprise, which provoked an investigation by the Bulletin of Medical Ethics:
    ‘…it is now possible to draw some interim conclusions…there was never going to be an epidemic in 1995…there was no justification for concomitant rubella immunisations…the government knowingly misled parents about the relative risks of measles and measles immunisation…the Dept. of Health broke the European Union’s laws on contracts and tendering to ensure that specific pharmaceutical companies were awarded the contract…
    The NHS Supplies Authority negotiated with…Merieux UK and SmithKline Beecham. This must have been extremely fortunate for them since the supplies of measles and rubella vaccine which they had been left with in 1992…were soon to go out of date…it is surprising that companies already supplying MMR were not invited to tender…
    Virginia Bottomley hoped to make political capital from the campaign. Her fortunes were already at a low ebb in 1994. To recognise a threat to the Nation’s children and to take decisive action could only enhance her standing…the DoH has put out numerous Press releases stating what a good example it was of how this government looks after the health of the Nation.
    Of the government doctors involved one can say little…many questions may only be answered by an independent inquiry…the campaign’s protagonists misled millions of parents into allowing needles to be stuck into their children for purposes other than those given in public.’ 9
    ‘Thousands “at risk” as doctors claim link with deadly illness…as well as the vaccine being linked to Crohn’s Disease…it may be associated with autism…Public health officials… have been aware of the research linking the vaccine with Crohn’s Disease for four years… if the findings of the alarming new research are confirmed the re-vaccination programme could also add the names of thousands of children to what some doctors believe is an already looming medical disaster…
    Crohn’s Disease…is a terribly debilitating condition in which the lining of the bowel is destroyed. Sufferers almost invariably require major surgery…’ 10
    The research is being done by Dr Andrew Wakefield of the London Royal Free Hospital. He believes that live measles vaccine can cause an immune reaction in the gut, provoking illness up to 20 or more years later: ‘If it is true…there is no health service in the world which will be able to cope in the year 2020 if we do not prepare now.’
    After the Nov. ‘94 scam Dr Wakefield urged the government to set up a side-effect monitoring campaign. ‘This wasn’t done. One insider said last night: “They told him later they didn’t believe him and anyway it wouldn’t have made any difference to their plans.”’ 10
    Other known and suspected effects of the measles vaccine include:
    multiple sclerosis
    SSPE
    atypical measles
    Guillanne-Barre and Reye’s Syndromes
    paralysis
    meningitis
    ataxia
    epilepsy
    arthritis
    ME
    …and death.
    Also, the vaccine programme has caused the peak incidence of measles to occur in adolescents, adults and infants rather than children of primary school age. The risk of pneumonia and liver abnormalities is greater in the older groups.
    ‘Before the vaccine was introduced, it was extremely rare for an infant to contract measles. However, by 1993 more than twenty five percent of all measles cases were occurring in babies under a year of age.
    CDC officials admit this situation is likely to get worse and attribute it to the numbers of mothers who were vaccinated… when natural immunity is denied, measles protection cannot be passed on their babies.’ 11
    Mumps
    Mumps is a mild disorder which, as a rule, lasts, at most, 10 days. Contraction of mumps usually brings life-long immunity to the disease – the vaccine does not. Children who are vaccinated and then later develop mumps in adolescence or adulthood, as some do, are much more likely to suffer severe effects including orchitis, a testicular condition. The Lancet reported that West German authorities had listed twenty seven neurological reactions to the vaccine. Effects include:
    meningitis
    febrile convulsions
    epilepsy
    nerve deafness
    encephalitis
    Rubella
    Rubella is a harmless malaise, about as serious as the common cold, except when contracted by a woman in the earlier stages of pregnancy, when it can lead to foetal defects. Before the vaccine was introduced the large majority of the population had natural immunity. The vaccine denied the women the chance of this and increased the risk of developing rubella during pregnancy.
    In the British Medical Journal, Nov. 16 1987, a report noted thirty two women who, when pregnant, contracted rubella; all the women had been vaccinated or screened and found to be ‘immune’. Nineteen chose to have their babies; one child was born with a defect.
    Hilary Butler, of the Immunisation Awareness Society, commented: ‘The reality is that most babies survive rubella “defect-free”.’
    Trials on the vaccine in the USA have shown a failure rate of ninety three percent. 14 Dr Beverly Allan of the Austin Hospital, Melbourne noted a failure rate of army recruits of eighty percent.15
    If there has been an inadequate immune-response to the vaccine, as often happens, according to the Journal of Infant Diseases16 there is a pronounced danger that the person will become a rubella carrier and may develop arthritis and an enlarged thyroid.
    ‘In some hospitals all employees, except physicians, are required to receive the rubella vaccine. This may be because doctors are the least likely of all hospital personnel to submit to these shots’.13 According to an article in the Journal of the American Medical Association, ninety percent of the obstetricians and around seventy percent of paediatricians refused the vaccine due to fear of ‘unforeseen vaccine reactions’.
    Plague
    Declined without vaccination
    Scarlet Fever
    Declined without vaccination
    Cholera
    ‘Certain vaccines, such as that given for cholera, are known to be of no value…’ GP magazine July 1991 – after countless shots had been sold.
    Influenza
    According to Dr J Seal, of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases: ‘any and all flu vaccines are capable of causing Guillane-Barre.’ In 1976 over 500 people in the US were paralysed by the disease, with thirty dying, after being injected with the vaccine, which is concocted from material taken from influenza victims and then cultivated on mashed chick embryos.
    The Post Office dropped its influenza vaccine programme after it showed no improvement in absenteeism. Six hundred elderly vaccinated people in Birmingham showed over double the respiratory disease than a non-vaccinated group. 18 Three people, including a 26-year-old man, died in Chesterfield within 48 hours of being jabbed. 19
    Diphtheria
    In the thirties, due to the number of cases of diphtheria occurring in vaccinated individuals, it was necessary to introduce the practice of re-diagnosis. Trouble-makers, like the Medical Officer for Wath-On-Dearne, did not help, with comments like: ‘Where they have done the most immunising they are getting the most diphtheria.’ 20
    In 1927, the Ministry of Health, came up with the idea of using the ‘guinea pig test’ to lessen the embarrassment: patients with obvious diphtheria had to be shown to be harbouring, in the nose or throat, diphtheria bacilli strong enough to kill a guinea-pig.
    As up to forty percent of diphtheria patients have none of this bacterium and as the rest may well not have sufficiently powerful bugs to kill a guinea-pig and as the guinea-pig test is totally unreliable, the wheeze had the very welcome effect of the re-diagnosing of vaccinated diphtheria victims as ‘tonsillitis’ or ‘sore throat’.
    Another helping hand was provided by the Schick Test: a diphtheria test developed by the enterprising Bela Schick and then banned in Schick’s native Austria due to parents whining that it had killed their offspring. Having had his test banned in Europe, he:
    ‘…brought it to America where he knew the unscrupulous medical and drug trusts dominate the healing field. A lush harvest was promised and the customary pressure technique was turned on and the exploitable public was again used and abused…The Schick Test and diphtheria antitoxin continue to take their toll of lives while our elected officials and public protectors (?) look the other way.’ 21
    Having had the dangerous, totally fraudulent and frequently-lethal test laundered by the US drug boys, Schick was able to import it back to the welcoming re-diagnosers in Europe, where, allied to the guinea-pig test it did sterling work for the cause. In Birmingham seventy percent of cases were re-diagnosed. ‘Out of 441 sent in as diphtheria in 1933, 285 were finally diagnosed as tonsillitis.’ 22
    Dr J H Parish, of the vaccine-makers, Wellcome Research Laboratories, suggested that ‘apparent’ diphtheria should be known as ‘Tonsillitis in Schick-negative carriers.’ 23 To counter the problem of the diphtheria antitoxin being lethal, the re-diagnosers were again engaged; this time to come up with a revised version of the diphtheria child-death-rate graph.
    Prior to the introduction of antitoxin in 1895, diphtheria diagnosis was on clinical symptoms alone: i.e. those who had died of diphtheria were recorded as having died of diphtheria. As of 1895, the diagnosis was based on throat swabs. As so many diphtheria victims did not exhibit the required bacteria, they were adjudged to have died of something else and the graph shows a clear reduction in deaths from diphtheria after the introduction of antitoxin in 1895. As an extra boost to the diphtheria industry, healthy people sometimes exhibited diphtheria bacteria in their nose/throat; these people had, of course, ‘survived diphtheria’ due to the efforts of the dedicated doctors. ‘As a result of this change of view, cases of mild sore throat are now classes as diphtheria – cases which would, in any case, recover, whatever the treatment; and the fatality of diphtheria will be reduced accordingly.’ 24
    Germany began compulsory diphtheria vaccination in 1939. When the vaccine saturation was complete there were 150,000 cases of the disease.25 French resistance to the vaccine was ended by the German occupation, leading to 47,000 cases of the illness.21 Norway refused the vaccine and had 50 cases. 25
    Pertussis
    Sweden stopped whooping cough vaccine in 1979. Germany stopped routine use of the vaccine in 1982: the declines of the diseases continued. This vaccine is, arguably, the most dangerous of the current routine jabs, being a whole cell vaccine and, largely unpurified or refined. It has probably done more damage, per shot, than any other, with the obvious exception of the smallpox vaccine.
    Pertussis vaccine promoters often claim that when uptake levels fall, the disease increases. This happened in the USA after a TV documentary slipped through the censor’s net and the punters found out some of the reality on the shot. Vaccination levels fell and the predictable outcome was that the authorities announced an increase of the disease.
    Dr A J Morris analysed 41 of the cases and found that 5 had real whooping cough and these had all been ‘immunised’. A further study, in Wisconsin, on 43 claimed cases, showed that 16 were real and all these had received the vaccine.26 Professor Gordon Stewart, W.H.O. adviser, said in 1980, on the vaccine: ‘There is no doubt in my mind that, in the UK alone, some hundreds if not thousands of well infants have suffered irreparable brain damage needlessly, and that their lives and those of their parents have been wrecked.’
    In 1984, of all cases in the US in children of 7 months to 6 years, 46 percent had been vaccinated.13 In Kansas, in 1986, 1,300 cases were reported. Of those whose vaccine status was known, 90 percent were ‘adequately vaccinated’. 27
    U.K. vaccination levels fell to 32 percent in 1978 due to the pushers being no longer able to hide the cases of brain damage. An epidemic in 1978/79 was, naturally, claimed to be due to the reduced vaccine uptake. What they did not disclose was that the epidemic affected those in all of the relevant age spectrum and those who had been vaccinated. 28
    ‘My name is Donna Gary. I am a constituent of Senator Edward Kennedy’s from Massachusetts. Our family should have celebrated our very first grand daughter’s first birthday last month… Lee Ann was just eight weeks old when her mother took her… for her…first DPT inoculation…this lovable, extremely alert baby had never produced such a blood-curdling scream as she did at the moment the shot was given… four hours later, Lee Ann was dead. ‘Crib death’ the doctor said ‘SIDS’.
    ‘Could it be connected to the shot?’ her parents implored.
    ‘No.’
    ‘But she just had her first DPT shot.’
    ‘No, no connection at all,’ said the emergency room doctor, definitely.’ 29
    ‘My name is Janet Ciotoli. I am a New York State mother…Our second son, Richie, received his first DPT vaccination at two months of age. Within hours Richie displayed similar symptoms as our first child – a red hot swollen leg, diarrhoea and cat-like screaming…I didn’t get my usual baby smiles that day…his hands were so cold…that evening I called the doctor…Richie died in my arms…My husband and our five year old son watched paralysed as I tried desperately to give life back to our baby…
    My husband and I were led behind a drawn curtain…There our Richie lay on a stretcher, cold and lifeless…
    Our scream of pain and grief will forever ring in my ears.’ 29
    In the Northern Territories of Australia, according to Drs A Kalokerinos and G Dettman, vaccination was killing one in two Aboriginal children. In a two year period without vaccination the death rate was nil.
    ‘One of the easiest ways to prevent cot-death is to prevent multi-factual insults to the body; by not vaccinating.’
    Dr Dettman
    Dr Viera Scheibner PhD, arguably the most experienced vaccine researcher in the world, stated:
    ‘…vaccination is the single most prevalent and preventable cause of infant deaths.’
    Japan virtually eliminated cot-death by dropping the whooping cough vaccine for babies.
    Tetanus
    During World War II there were 12 recorded cases of tetanus, of which, 4 were vaccinated. 30
    Persons wishing to contract tetanus, or to endow their offspring with it, should first collect samples from the soil, dustbins, sewers etc.: this should then be sent for analysis to determine the presence of tetanus spores. When the confirmed spores are returned, a deep gash should be made in the arm into which the spores should be placed, the skin pinched to trap the spores and the arm bandaged to exclude the air. Persons not immune to tetanus should then contract the disease.
    As the above practice is widespread, it is understandable why every child and every hospital case involving broken skin needs to be jabbed routinely with a vaccine whose side effects include seizures, high fever, Guillane-Barre Syndrome, fatal anaphylactic shock, neurological damage…,31 abscess, inner ear damage, myelin damage… 32
    Polio
    Even during an epidemic, the wild polio virus produces no discernible symptoms in over 90 percent of those exposed to it. 33 This, of course, has not stopped the vaccine boys et al propagating the myth that whole populations are in grave danger of paralysis if they are not ‘protected’.
    ‘The number of reported cases of polio following mass inoculations with the killed live virus vaccine was significantly greater than before mass inoculations and may have doubled in the US…’ 13
    In the late 1940s it was noticed that diphtheria vaccination was leading to paralytic polio. A government inquiry found that over one third of cases of paralytic polio in children under the age of two occurred within three months of diphtheria vaccination. 34
    ‘Millions of people have been inoculated with the anti-polio vaccine contaminated with the tumoral virus SV 40, which in origin was present in the monkeys.’ Prof J Clausen, Institute of Preventative Medicine, Odense, Denmark. Up to 500 million people may have received the vaccine which was cultivated on the kidneys of the green monkey. 45
    Dr F Klinner commented: ‘Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin vaccines, being made of monkey tissue, have been directly responsible for the major increase of leukaemia in this country.’
    In the Lancet a report stated ‘Outbreak of paralytic poliomyelitis in Oman…among fully vaccinated children.’ 35
    Whilst the sane mind might expect that the vaccine might be declared harmful or, at least, useless, and withdrawn, the vaccine combine had a better idea. What was really needed was more vaccination. Recommendations were to increase the dose at birth and at 6, 10 and 14 weeks of age with additional doses when other vaccines were given.
    According to the US Centres for Disease Control, Feb 1992: ‘from 1980 thru 1989, every case of polio in the US (excluding imported cases) was caused by the vaccine.’
    Being near to a polio-vaccinated baby can be a major risk. An English professor at Cornell University, Bernard Reis, was paralysed by polio a month after the vaccination of his child. Kay McNeary was awarded $1.1 million after being crippled by polio after changing her baby’s nappy.
    Tuberculosis
    ‘The world’s biggest trial (conducted in Southern India) to assess the value of the BCG tuberculosis vaccine has made the startling revelation that the vaccine ‘does not give any protection against the bacillary forms of tuberculosis’.’
    New Scientist Nov 1979.
    There was worse to come.
    The ‘exhaustive and meticulous’ study, involving 260,000 people, found more TB in the vaccinated group than in the non-vaccinated.
    After this, scientifically-valid vaccine trials were abandoned.
    Holland had the lowest death-rate from TB in Europe due to the fact that it rejected the TB vaccine. The French government forced, by law, the vaccine onto all French children: Prof. Mercie, of the Pasteur Institute, who produced and sold the useless shots, explained ‘It helps finance the Institute’s research.’
    TB is now making a widespread comeback, particularly in intensively-vaccinated tropical countries.
    Hepatitis B
    In 1988 New Zealand announced ‘the most extensive national immunization programme against hepatitis B in the world.’ In seven districts of NZ all the babies were to be jabbed; as were the offspring of selected mothers who had Hep B, in the rest of the country.
    Within three months all the area co-ordinators of the stunt were informed that the side-effect reports were piling up: asthma, arthritis, Guillane-Barre Syndrome, loss of consciousness, lowered blood pressure, jaundice… Another effect of the shot was to make the other vaccines – DPT, polio – even more dangerous.
    Breaking with the time-honoured vaccinators’ tradition of carry-on-regardless-whatever-the-mayhem, New Zealand decided to cut its losses and suddenly dropped the programme. 36 According to Dr Robert Mendelson, two thirds of doctors eligible for the Hep B jab reject it. 37 Between 1990 and 1994 the US body monitoring the vaccines reported 12.000 ‘adverse events’ including death. 38
    A.I.D.S.39
    The ‘search for a vaccine and cure for AIDS’ has become a multi-billion dollar, multi-national enterprise. The obscene scam has two distinct facets – both invented. One is that AIDS is a single disease and the other is that it is ‘caused’ by the H.I. virus (or the ‘HIV virus’ as some like to call it – perhaps they think the V stands for volcano). These two total fabrications have created an empire of animal-and human-torturing fraud of impressive proportions.
    In Japan, AIDS is virtually unknown; yet, in random tests, 25% of people were found to be ‘HIV-positive’; a virtually meaningless label which can be produced by a response to a vaccination, malnutrition, MS, measles, influenza, papilloma virus wart, Epstein Barr virus, leprosy, hepatitis b and c, syphillis, glandular fever…over sixty conditions.
    The ‘HIV causes AIDS’ hoax was created by Robert Gallo, who was found guilty of ‘scientific misconduct’.
    ‘…instead of trying to prove his insane theories about AIDS to his peers…he went public. Then, with the help of Margaret Heckler, former head of health and human services, who was under great political pressure to come up with an answer to AIDS, the infamous world press announcement of the discovery of the so-called AIDS virus came about. This great fraud is now responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands…It was no accident that Gallo just happened to patent the test for HIV the day after the announcement…
    Gallo is now a multi-millionaire because of AIDS and his fraudulent AIDS test.’
    Dr Robert Willner
    Wilner injected himself with the blood of Pedro Tocino, a HIV-positive haemophiliac, on live Spanish TV; an event which made the front pages of the Spanish national press but did not arouse any interest in the USA or the UK.
    ‘HIV… is one thousandth the size of a regular cell…HIV is simply a harmless piece of dead tissue, not unlike the numerous other retroviruses that exist in our body.’ –Willner.
    By grouping together 25-plus different diseases and other allied factors – tuberculosis, pneumonia, candidiasis, herpes, salmonella, various cancers, infections, vaccine/antibiotic damage, amyl nitrate damage etc. – and calling the whole thing an ‘AIDS epidemic’, a multi-billion dollar/pound/yen ‘AIDS research’ and ‘treatment’ racket has been created.
    At the same time, a large group of homosexuals, blacks, drug-users, Hispanics, the homeless and the rest of the undesirables have been easy prey for the social-cullers and the drug boys, particularly Wellcome who make the immune-system wrecking amyl nitrate poppers and also the lethal AZT, which is used on the ‘HIV-positive’ victims of the nitrates!
    AZT began as a cancer drug but was withdrawn for being too toxic – like being thrown out of the Gestapo for cruelty. ‘Side’ effects include cancer, hepatitis, dementia, seizures, anxiety, leukopaenia, severe nausea, impotence, ataxia, insomnia and DNA-synthesis termination. i.e. AIDS/death by prescription. AZT eventually kills all who continue to take it.
    None of which stops the medical trade from pushing it on every trusting sap who is not ill to start with but finds him/herself labelled with the ‘HIV-positive’ nonsense and is then destroyed by AZT, with AIDS getting the blame and more millions pouring in for the drug boys, vivisectors, animal breeders and their on-the-payroll media pals.
    The triple combination of the ‘HIV-positive’ diagnosis, the prognosis – stated or implied – ‘You will die of AIDS’ and ‘treatment’ with the deadly AZT is one of the great pieces of Medical Black Magic – Voodoo Medicine at its most impressive.
    500 of the world’s leading scientists are now disputing the HIV/AIDS hoax. Their efforts continually suppressed by the medical establishment, the pharma/vivisection syndicate, the BBC and the rest.

  • Jesus baby

    I’ll take that as a yes

  • Jesus baby

    Hillary will take care of all that

  • Jesus baby

    Wow what a long post

  • Sue

    Not as long as the life of a vaccine damaged child and their family…

  • Jesus baby

    Well how long do “vaccine-damaged” children live on average? And how many are there anyway?

  • Sue

    Well now Jesus baby.. I am sure you know.. with a name like Jesus…

  • Sue

    This is just one of the 1000’s of vaccine damaged people.. not just children get vaccine damaged……
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvcMo_-RM78

  • It really doesn’t say anything different, and my reply is still correct. Obviously you have no ability to respond to my reply, and again thus you are still just simply wasting my time.

  • Sue

    It amazes me how ready those who pro vaccine not freedom of choice bow down to BIG Pharma ,.. hail them as some kind of amazement..no matter what but have venom when if comes to someone trying to make a safe non toxic single vaccine.. the problem is with you pro vaccine you will not listen to anyone else ..you just dish the horrid sh..t..All most people want who question and try to find answers is freedom to choose and know if the vaccinate their children will not be vaccine damaged in any way….But OH NO.. Hey I have an idea Jesus.. live up to the name you are using with respect….

  • What have chicken hearts ever been used for, in regard to vaccines? They have not been. Obviously such things as monkey kidneys and aborted fetal cells, etc are immortal as to their cells, as to when they use the same tissue and cells to grow vaccine antigens on, over and over. In that even though those cells can only divide a limited number of times before their DNA is damaged too severely for them to successfully divide; (and as you stated)

    Are you telling me they actually have to soon take more cells from more abortions? You told me that was not the case. In my research that same tissue and as to the cells, have been used for years to grow new vaccine antigens.

    Here is what has been found to be the end result of that. Why isn’t the CDC informing the public of those findings? They are still misinforming the public regarding the safety of those vaccines, and outrightly lying about it.

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

  • I’m not sure what your reply means. Are you saying that Carrel was right and that Hayflick was wrong?

  • Really? And all while all you have been further doing is creating a more disconnected mess out of your original post, and as to its implications and meaning, thus adding only more irrelevance to what you have posted.

  • Jesus baby

    Can’t even give an estimate can you?

  • Again, what data has been insufficient for you? Nothing would ever be sufficient enough for you, and even if that data smacked you right in the side of the head. Who do you think you are fooling?

  • Jesus baby

    A YouTube video that answers neither question.

  • Jesus baby

    I’ll listen to anyone who has credible evidence.

  • Sue

    Lol there you go Jesus baby.. you know the answer don’t you… OMG where did you come up with that name.. lordy lordy lordy……….

  • And again, I showed you that actually it did not correct a mistake. What consensus have you ever had, built on superior evidence? You have nothing, and if you actually did, you be able to answer these questions, and as well respond to this information. Without that, you clearly have nothing. How hard is that to understand? Your posted trash claiming that I have researched nothing, simply again shows only your chosen level of persisting denial, and deliberate ignorance.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Jesus baby

    Any time you’re ready you just let us know.

  • Sue

    Besides it is such a ..st..pid. question…. But I guess your name is Jesus baby??

  • Sue

    Well for goodness sake Jesus baby don’t listen to BIG Pharma if you want credible evidence.. and there is of course the CDC.. Mmm they always tell the truth don’t they. lol

  • What a pointless and irrelevant question.

  • Sue

    ready for what Jesus baby.. mmm still can’t get use to calling you that.. it seems disrespectful to the name….

  • Jesus baby

    What do you think the CDC has lied about?

  • Jesus baby

    Ready to tell us how long “vaccine-damaged” children live on average and how many of them there are, silly.

  • Sue

    Now now you wouldn’t be trying to bait me Jesus baby would you.. I am sure you know they have a revolving door, one minute they are working at the CDC next minute BIG Pharma etc etc.. I do not know if you are from the states or not.. but where I come from it is sure a conflict of interest.. However we both know they have lied and lied again, why don’t you tell me????????

  • What a load of garbage. Every child in my community and area was accounted for, and none were ever known to be in institutions. If they were not playmates, classmates, and co-workers, then where do you suggest they were for so called, accommodations?

    What does the rate of autism have to do with homosexuality rate?

    The 1 in 10,000 rate of diagnosed autism was a well known figure, and the 1 in 68 figure comes directly from the CDC. But yet you want to continue to argue that the numbers are not real. Is there anything at all that you would not deny? And you say you are not a paid shill, right? Then if not, something is majorly wrong with your minds ability to comprehend reality.

  • Sue

    Oh Jesus baby are you suggesting while their is life it is OK??? No matter what the quality,, now don’t take that is meaning anything else for your little group of merry men.. As i believe in all life,,. but i also believe and want our children to have a quality of life, not bee sicker than they should be because of vaccine damage,.. so keep baiting its fun…

  • First, you provided no information on what animal Carrels experiment was done on, and/or the method that study was done.

    Are monkeys, cattle, and mice not animals? I don’t think you even know how many vile substances vaccine antigens have been grown on, and/or what substances vaccines have been made from. How does that not make those cells in themselves, not immortal? What, just because they may not yet be usable after a number of years? You are only arguing arbitrarily single terms and words, and in simply attempting to confuse the matter; which only amounts to again more deliberate distraction and disruption. Just like I said.

  • Sue

    Just curious Jesus baby, what in AutismDadd comments suggest to you that I will say Doctor.. Doctor Wakefield falsified data, BIG Pharma would have taken tremendous losses if they had not made look like he falsified data, surely you are not so silly.. then again you do like toxic chemicals being put in to little babies, without even weighing them,,isn’t it one size fits all, no matter if you are a few ibs of 20 stone 300 kilos.. etc… and isn’t it OK in your books to not even test.. or test more than 1 vaccine at once go into a little baby.. and you think Doctor Wakefield falsified data.. mme think you Pro vaccine follower doth protest to much….

  • Nothing, I’m not making a connection between chicken heart cells and vaccines. Chicken heart cells are not like fetal stem cells, which have different features. Stem cells and some cancer cells in particular replenish telomerase, which prevents them from being damaged by division.

  • Hayflick’s reproducible experiments and results corrected the mistaken belief that ordinary animal cells can divide endlessly. The scientific consensus until the 60s was that they could. This consensus was an error and was corrected with Hayflick’s work.

  • Where does this 1 in 10,000 figure come from, and when?

  • Jesus baby

    Why don’t you answer the question?

  • Carrel’s chicken heart experiment was not about vaccines. Hayflick’s work on cell senescence was not about vaccines. Try again, and stick to the subject.

  • Jesus baby

    So no answers there either?

  • Jesus baby

    So why do you think he lost his license and his paper was retracted?

  • Sue

    There you are Jesus baby.. taking a direct question out of your and your fellow merry men instruction booklet,, lol.. Why don’t you answer the question….Why don’t you answer the question….Why don’t you answer the question…Your question is how long do vaccine damaged children live, what a stupid question.. I am amazed you are a bunch of the Merry band with stupid questions like that??.
    Well you answer a question for me.. why do you use the name Jesus, do you have a GOD complex???

  • Sue

    ha ha Jesus baby, can you walk on water as well lol…

  • Sue

    Oh there you go again with the questions, I think I explained in my last post. can you read or just walk on water???

  • Do you not ever just give it up? I never implied or said that so called information, was about vaccines. That was your posted so called, information. I used vaccine production as an example of the reality of, and in the use of such cells. You can spin it and re-argue your terms and words all you want, it doesn’t change the outcome. You try it, again.

  • Look it up. You even argued that the 1 in 68 figure was not proven as real, and when coming directly from the CDC. What do you say that the previous autism diagnosis figure was in that time period prior to the enactment of the federal vaccine court in 1987; if not previously 1 in 10,000?

    New CDC Study Shows Average Autism Prevalence Up 23% From 2009 Study

    Boston, MA – A study out today from the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC) indicates autism now affects an alarming one in 88 children, (one in 54 boys) a sharp jump from the previous numbers released in late 2009, and a frighteningly distant rate from one in 10,000 cases seen in the 1980s.

    Today’s study, conducted by the Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network office of the CDC, looked at eight-year-old children born in 2000. A previous study released by ADDM in 2009 showed autism spectrum disorders (ASD) affected one in 110 children. The number of children identified with ASDs in this study ranged from one in 210 children in Alabama to one in 47 children in Utah. CDC reports that the largest increases were among Hispanic and black children.

    According to a CDC press release issued today, “One thing the data tells us with certainty – there are many children and families who need help,” said CDC Director Thomas Frieden, M.D., M.P.H. “We must continue to track autism spectrum disorders because this is the information communities need to guide improvements in services to help children.”

    The National Autism Association again calls for swift government action, including the declaration of the autism epidemic as a national health crisis. An immediate, strategic focus on prevention, treatment and support is critical.

    Read more:
    http://nationalautismassociation.org/autism-prevalence-now-1-in-88-children-1-in-54-boys/

    How Common is Autism?

    In 2016, the Centers for Disease Control’s Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) reported that approximately 1 in 68 children in the United States has been identified with an Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD). This rate remains the same as in 2014, which is the first time it has not risen. However, with respect to older data, this new estimate is roughly 30 percent higher than the previous estimate of 1 in 88 children reported in 2012. In the 1980s autism prevalence was reported as 1 in 10,000. In the nineties, prevalence was 1 in 2500 and later 1 in 1000.

    http://autismsciencefoundation.org/what-is-autism/how-common-is-autism/

    There is no way to explain away the numbers as not a significant and serious increase in the number of cases of existing autism.

    The next thing they did was attempt through the DSM, to try to bring that said rate down, and by excluding previously included diagnosis. Around and around it goes.

    DSM-IV – Revision Changes in ASD Diagnosis, May 2013 DSM-V
    http://www.vacfacts.info/dsm-iv—revision-changes-in-asd-diagnosis-may-2013-dsm-v.html

  • Sue

    So I am assuming you expect answers but you can not answer why you would use the name Jesus.. Have some respect for the Christians out there..Then I guess there is no respect for the vaccine damaged babies and children so why would you respect the name of Our Lord??

  • Jesus baby

    Don’t answer then.

  • Jesus baby

    Sigh

  • Again, when the concept is applied to vaccines and antigen production, clearly the cells that have been used, can divide almost endlessly. The cells that antigens are grown on.

  • Sue

    Well well well,, the moment you are asked a question your reply is Sigh, and you think posters or readers of post would listen and believe what you have to say..Well if you think you can use the name of Jesus,,.., why would anyone listen eh??? Lol……

  • Jesus baby

    Well so BigPharm forced the British General Medical Council to revoke his license AND forced The Lancet to retract his paper? Something like that?

  • Jesus baby

    You do like to ramble on don’t you?

  • So, you are choosing to ignore that vaccine antigens have been grown on animal cells which divide. So then why as well bring up any study on chicken heart cells?

  • An example of the reality of what? Do you even understand the point I’m trying to make?

  • Yes. The WI-38 cell line is derived from fetal stem cells. Stem cells are immortal.

  • Sue

    OMG you couldn’t bait me so you thought you would put words in my mouth.. Oh is that our of the merry bunch handbook as well,, You truly are ridicules…. I think I will call you baby from now on as not to use the Lords name in vein….

  • You even argued that the 1 in 68 figure was not proven as real

    When?

    I don’t bother reading your copy-pasted screeds, by the way. If you can’t say it in your own words, I figure you don’t understand it.

  • Sue

    Well if you don’t like the heat get out of the kitchen BABY

  • Jesus baby

    If you won’t explain your rationale for the nonsense you preach there’s no point in continuing the conversation. And that’s your strategy isn’t it?

  • Jesus baby

    Well you said it was BIG Pharma. What is your position then?

  • Because Hayflick’s correction of Carrel illustrates how scientific consensus can and does change. If the evidence against vaccines was sound and convincing, it would be replacing the current ideas. The evidence is neither sound nor convincing, so it only convinces conspiracy theorists and kooks.

  • Sue

    I have read some of your POST and the last thing BABY you are is rationale .. you started talking to me.. so if you think there is no point .. bye bye….But I would still like to know why you use the name Jesus…. I guess you feel superior.. lol

  • I entirely understand that you had no point to make. And your answer is that the point made is that animal organ cells, and certain ones can and do divide and replicate. I would call that immortal when you can use the same cells for years, and to grow vaccine antigens on them. Even if those cells have an eventual expiration as to their continued usefulness. You are again arguing, nothing.

  • Jesus baby

    But lord don’t try to explain your reasoning.

  • Sue

    Whey do you call yourself Jesus then??

  • Sue

    There you go again… explain why you use the name Jesus????

  • So you did not understand my point. Gotcha.

  • Hayflick’s and Carrel obviously did not look at the proper organ cells; thus making any attempted argument, irrelevant.

    If the evidence against vaccines were not sound and convincing, there would be no vaccine truth, and anti-vaccine movement, and which is growing every day. Do you think all the parents with vaccine injured children, and that know that they are; are just some sort of conspiracy theorists? How about all the parents with daughters that died after the Gardasil vaccine, and as well all the parents and girls with no unrecovered from neurologically based vaccine injuries, and major disability? All is just another so called coincidence, right?

    How about all the independent studies which show what is really going on with vaccines, and which people like Offit, and as well such as Pediatrics and the CDC continue to choose to ignore? Vaccine truth and reality is only for kooks? How about the 9 questions as to the existing vaccine safety study science, that you can not even begin to answer?

    You are deliberately in denial.

  • Jesus baby

    Ok well go spread some more lies then.

  • 1 in 10,000 and 1 in 68 are not apples and apples. How was the 1 in 68 figure reached?

    You didn’t read it because it is to much truth and more truth than you can handle. I already gave you my own words, and you refused to accept them, so I gave you the referenced to evidence. And still, nothing is ever good enough for you. How pathetic do you look.

  • Jesus baby

    You’re just dancing and dodging aren’t you?

  • Jesus baby

    Just keep tap dancing your life away

  • Just continue to make it up as you go, and with as many refuse to face it attempted deceptions as you can. Your attempted point is irrelevant; and as well irrelevant in the bigger picture.

  • AutismDadd

    A bunch of trash science. Same old shell games.

  • AutismDadd

    Yes you want peer pressure…gotcha

  • Sue

    Oh stop being a BABY you know what the TRUTH is…. Still no answer why you use the name Jesus???

  • Sue

    Mm come on Baby what there to dodge.. Lol YOU…. Lol lol Lol

  • Sue

    Now BABY you presume t know my life.. are you from the States?? Oh I guess you won’t answer that either????

  • If the evidence against vaccines were not sound and convincing, there would be no vaccine truth, and anti-vaccine movement

    I guess that’s why there are no flat earth, young earth, moon landing denial, holocaust denial, chemtrail, 9/11 conspiracy, or reptilian elite movements.

  • That does not address the issue of the animal organ cells that have been as well used.

  • AutismDadd

    J baby is just parroting the same crap. In fact, Brian Deer was working for the British Medical Journal when he created his fictional information against Wakefield et al. The BMJ is largely funded by vaccine makers MERCK (synonymous with consumer death) and GlaxoSmithKline. Both make an MMR. The British Medical Journal is run by the General Medical Council. As one can easily see the obvious connection, its safe to say conspiracy and collusion were at work. One could imply Deer worked for the MMR makers.

  • A question is not a denial. Where is the 1 in 10,000 figure from? What is the context so that I can compare it to the 1 in 68 figure?

  • AutismDadd

    Kangaroo court.

  • AutismDadd

    Yea right bozo, more nonsense.

  • Sue

    Yes you are right there AutismDadd.. just trying to bait me.. thanks for the nfo you must shared, I enjoy reading your posts.. Cheers Sue

  • Jesus baby

    I think picking on retards is unbecoming

  • Jesus baby

    You’re unhinged

  • Jesus baby

    How many pints have you knocked back tonight Sue?

  • Sue

    I,m unhinged.. temper temper BABY

  • Jesus baby

    What possible difference would that make?

  • Sue

    Oh I see BABY you are now starting with the abuse. You must be a very lonely person.. pints eh?? so you are not from the States then…. lol.. do you like a drink or 3 do you…. I thought you weren’t going to converse with me anymore, I am only answering you BABY.. Temper temper..

  • Jesus baby

    And why did The Lancet retract his paper?

  • AutismDadd

    We’ll leave you be then

  • Sue

    Just being nosy… but we know you will not answer.. Not that I am very interested in your answers as you are not very intelligent….

  • Jesus baby

    No really YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE PARTY LINE

  • Depends on the cells. The Vero (monkey kidney) cells are described as a “spontaneously immortalized cell line.” In other words, monkey kidney epithelial cells are not normally immortal, but these cells contain a mutation which exempts them from the Hayflick limit. This can happen naturally or be artificially induced, but it is not the normal state of natural somatic cells.

  • Jesus baby

    And drunk I think

  • ‘kay. Remind me to use your exact words when I’m presented with alt-med shill research.

  • Jesus baby

    They don’t have pints in the states?

  • Jesus baby

    Good luck though

  • Obviously it is in the same or similar context so your question is irrelevant. Did you not check for references? They are there, but you have to download them. You can as well easily go to the CDC to get their data. Do you really think that the National Autism Association and the Autism Science Foundation would make it up, or lie about it?

  • Jesus baby

    Now you’re being an angry drunk

  • Obviously it is in the same or similar context so your question is irrelevant.

    No, not at all. Figures about rapidly changing diagnoses from many years apart are very different in context.

  • So Hayflick was wrong, speaking generally. …which exempts them from the Hayflick limit. What kind of garbage is that? Where did the cancer and tumor causing SV40 virus come from within those monkeys?

  • No, he was correct that ordinary somatic cells cannot survive unlimited generations. The cells that can survive unlimited generations are unusual. In other words, if you cut a slab out of your arm and try to make a cell line out of it, it will die after an limited number of generations. Stem cells and certain mutated cells do not, and they are very valuable for research and production.

    I don’t know where SV40 came from, besides the unhelpful answer of “monkeys.”

  • It still would not explain away the autism rates going from a known previous 1 in 10,000 figure, to now 1 in 68. So you think you are going to attempt to do that? Good luck.

    Why do you ask for data on the determination of these rates, when you obviously have as well refused to read the information that was put forth so far?

  • Sue

    Well you are discussing the drinking of Pints as I am not a drinker I am only presuming and as i am not from the States have no idea.. but you seem to know a lot about drinking BABY.. so I am presuming you are a bit of a drinker.. poor dear.. lonely and a drinker..

  • Sue

    Oh thank you BABY but your type of luck does not interest me…

  • Sue

    Making an observation does not make me angry or drunk.. as I said un intelligent…

  • How about your arguing this nonsense for endless posts, and which in the end ends up to be as well largely irrelevant to the vaccine safety issues, and unhelpful? How much of my time did you waste, for nothing of any real substance.

  • 1 in 10,000 from 1974 is very different from 1 in 10,000 in 2016. I can’t evaluate the number unless I know the context, so it is hardly a “known” figure to me. Again, it’s a “known” figure that there are zero homosexuals in Iran. I don’t believe that number reflects the truth, either.

  • I just mentioned it as an aside, but because I said it you were compelled to try and mistakenly argue that it was false. I didn’t start you down this road — your obsession with attempting to refute a minor illustration did.

  • Jesus baby

    I think you drive men to drink at least

  • Jesus baby

    I wasn’t talking to you

  • Jesus baby

    The first step to quitting is to admit you have a problem

  • Sue

    At least I drive them somewhere lol I can’t imagine you doing much driving…. And your first post to me was if I remember correctly ” What a long post, do you need someone to read it for you as well… poor dear BABY

  • Sue

    Oh you don’t wish me luck then.. lol

  • Sue

    The first step to become more intelligent is learn to read,, lol

  • Sue

    Hey do you suppose it is appropriate to accuse someone on these sites of having a drinking problem.. me thinks not but BABY keep it up.. what ever rocks your boat…

  • Jesus baby

    Yes you can copy/paste with the best of them

  • Jesus baby

    Not the stuff you read obviously

  • Jesus baby

    Oh I’ve seen a lot worse here

  • Sue

    Sadly you can’t even do that..

  • Sue

    Well not the stuff you read, as you need to have the ability to do so….

  • Sue

    Oh you are a seasoned poster here are you.. so you go by other names.. once you have made a fall of one name you just change it.. understandable when I read your dribble.. lol

  • Sure, plague declined without vaccination. Scarlet fever is a complication of untreated toxin A strep throat – thank you, antibiotics.

    Citation needed for the rest.

  • Hilarious. You really need to learn how public health systems work.

  • I’m so sorry – is anyone jailing you if you don’t vaccinate your children?

  • Then it should be easy for you to list 12 cases where that happened in no time.

    And the CDC has nothing to do with Andrew Wakefield’s fraud or not since ya know….different country.

  • Because it isn’t on “how to handle a pro-vax assault.” which means Sue would need to think for herself?

  • Ron Roy

    Don’t let these shills frustrate you we need them. I’ve had many friends look at the discussions / debates you’ve had with them and they all agreed that the pro vaccine people are obviously so wrong that they have to be paid to support vaccines.They should be thanked for helping get the truth out concerning vaccines.

  • What are your thoughts on Gadad et al?
    What are your thoughts on Baxter et al?
    What is your evidence that Ken S. is being paid?

    You do have some, right?

  • Sonja Henie

    My God, an AIDS denier no less.

    Flagged as spam.

  • Jesus baby

    The ole gish gallop strategy – the cornerstone of any anti-vax argument

  • Jesus baby

    It’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks, but you could start with basic microbiology

  • Jesus baby

    Mkay what other names do you think I go by?

  • Jesus baby

    They’re only stupid questions when you can’t answer them

  • Well, if it’s such a stupid question then why can’t you answer it? Should be easy right….I mean it’s a stupid question so it can’t require much intelligence to answer and you’re smarter than the entire global medical and scientific consensus for like 200-odd years so you’re clearly not too stupid to answer it.

    So quit stalling. Answer the very simple questions. Videos are claims, what we’re looking for is evidence.

  • Jesus baby

    Exactly

  • sabelmouse

    very true!

  • Sue – why do you think I’m trying to bait you? You’re smarter than 200-years-odd of global and scientific medical consensus – why on earth would those questions present the slightest bit of difficulty to you?

  • What does it say that the ASD person (ya know, the one, who by definition is gonna struggle wtih social things) gets this and Lowell doesn’t?

  • Big bang used ‘wrong’ but it did point out the following example:

    A)A tomato is a fruit
    B)It is a little wrong to call a tomato a vegetable
    C)It is very wrong to say it’s a suspension bridge.

  • AutismDadd

    It has ties to Pharma and the British Medical Journal

  • Jesus baby

    Oh so its not because of Wakefield’s fraud, but because BigPharma threatened them? Was it one pharmaceutical company or does BigPharma mean multiple companies? Which one(s) and specifically what did they do? Oh, you don’t have any idea other than you read it on an anti-vax site? Imagine that.

  • AutismDadd

    With Wakefield et al it was GlaxoSmithKline and MERCK (synonymous with consumer death). They fund the British Medical Journal. Deer worked for the BMJ. the BMJ is run by the General Medical Council. Connect the dots IF YOU CAN.

  • AutismDadd

    Planning a trip to Iran are you?

  • AutismDadd

    Its official Ken S is a shill, a parrot, a vaccine injury denier and an owner of a shill manual.

  • AutismDadd

    Oh but Andrew Wakefield had a SURE replacement vaccine for the MMR but that wasn’t cool was it?

  • AutismDadd

    buh wah ha ha

  • Any evidence? Any at all?

  • No, why?

  • I’m not really concerned with it. Let it go through the same safety and efficacy testing as any other vaccine, and hold it to the same standards. It’s not automatically good or bad just because Wakefield’s name is on it.

  • Pobody’s nerfect!!

  • AutismDadd

    Buh wah ha ha you play the conspiracy card then suggest one? Why don’t you tell us who called who, as in did Thompson call Hooker to start these phone calls that lasted for months? And why would a CDC employee keep in contact with an ANTI-VAXXER? What could they possibly have in common? Its clear Thompson was involved by choice. Give us your best conspiracy theory to explain why they discussed vaccine.

  • AutismDadd

    Odd we hear nothing about him. Would you agree he should be interviewed publicly so he can use the answers he was ordered to give?

  • AutismDadd

    Oh yes you just HAPPENED to look up that plopaganda.

  • AutismDadd

    lurkers…shill talk

  • AutismDadd

    Certainly not you

  • AutismDadd

    But he was advancing science and the General Medical Council said no way Jose’…Why Ken…why?

  • AutismDadd

    Its a yes no question. You said no.

  • AutismDadd

    Your foul language

  • Jesus baby

    You know Deer is actually an alien from the planet Mumbo? It’s much worse than you think.

  • AutismDadd

    You’re a pos

  • I don’t know! It would be interesting to hear why.

  • That is how I see it as well. They simply refuse to face that obvious reality. Thanks, Ron.

  • Sounds like a plan! Who ordered him to answer questions, anyway?

  • No, I didn’t just happen to look it up — I looked it up as another example of rapidly changing neurological diagnoses, awareness, and local variations.

  • Then you won’t mind showing some evidence? :)

  • The General Medical Council is in charge of approving vaccine patents?

  • Wow. Anything better than that? I didn’t realize shills were known for foul language.

  • In technical terms you spin it to say it was true, and in common everyday common sense terms it was false.

    Let us know when you actually have something to contribute that involves vaccine safety and effectiveness. You know, as to the subject matter that the vactruth site, and its articles are all about? Distract and disrupt, that is all you ever do.

  • It is somewhat different and as has been outline in the information I gave you as well. However, it is not different enough as to diagnosis criteria, to explain away a 1 in 10,000 figure, going to now 1 in 68. You couldn’t actually evaluate it in any unbiased honestly, even if all the information smacked you along side the head. Just face it. You sure are obsessed with twisting it all around in the attempt to compare autism numbers, with homosexual numbers, why is that? Isn’t that a bit more than being irrelevant? Your inability to create proper analogies, is plainly obvious.

  • Lynn Dionne

    Holy crap there Ken, you sure are long winded!!! I’m sorry but I don’t have all night to sit here and read all that, I got about 1/2 way thru it and when I got to the part about 10 something were allowed and there was 100 something to be found in them I stopped reading. If that’s the fact then it only tells me that the FDA is not even close to doing their job at put these vaccinations to the test before they are being injected into our children. I believe in All types of testing and studies, what ever it takes to achieve the intelligence it takes to produce the CORRECT results. I also appreciate EVERYONE’S opinion with all the time and study they have given this issue. There is NO right or wrong statements being said by those of you that have such knowledge. The more knowledge, the more wisdom. No need to be degrading , sarcastic, or mean to others comments. Unless of course they are employed by Monsanto and think chemicals that kill or destroy lives are a Good thing.

  • Lynn Dionne

    “your research skills are shit” Really Ken? I have read many of Lowell’s research statements , with references, for years now, he is no dummy when it comes to this issue, It’s a shame that with the intelligence of both of you that this conversation has to include these kinds of statements, because SOME of us out here joined this site to learn more, because we DON’T have the time that you and Lowell have had to do this research, and to be honest, when I read statements like that it makes me want to tune out of what you’re saying.

  • Lynn Dionne

    Lowell is NOT pro-vaccine,,,, what the heck are you talking about,,,?????

  • Lynn Dionne

    No but don’t want un-vaccinated kids to attend public schools!!!! And they’re up the parents butt to get them done!!!

  • Your inability to understand an analogy is obvious, Lowell. If I made up a completely fictional scenario with Fred and Lisa and frumpkinberries, you would be compelled to dive into the analogy and try to manufacture fault with it instead of understanding what it means. You’re a joke, Lowell.

  • Lowell tends to communicate through copy-pasted screeds, since he is unable to understand concepts well enough to put them in his own words.

  • Yes, really. I asked him once to choose one best study to support his claim that autism is caused by heavy metals in vaccines. He gave me https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/ and I read it. I identified problems with the researchers (11 out of 13 with direct interest in promoting chelation), the funding (largely provided by an organization with a direct interest in promoting chelation), and the data (inconsistent with the amounts and kinds of heavy metals present in vaccines, plus not including any neurotypical comparison group). He declined to address any of the conflicts of interests and insisted that there is no source of heavy metals besides vaccines, which is explicitly contradicted in the study he linked.

    I replied with http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/1206115/ to show that many foods are sources of mercury. He did not read it and dismissed it based on the brief abstract. He maintains that heavy metals are not present in food and that 0.5-1 mL injections are the only source.

  • Sue

    No cause i don’t live in a Country that has compulsory vaccines

  • Sue

    And yes antibiotics are doing so well.. yes no doubt they saved lives, mine as a baby,.. but in over use they are a worry surely you would agree with that.. or not.. lol

  • Sue

    What your public health system where every pays that is if they can afford to.. Me thinks not….

  • Sue

    Well let us see.. the CDC also has people who have revolving doors one minute they work for the CDC.. and the nest BIG Pharma.. Mmm yes I like your public health system.. so trusting lol

  • Sue

    mm a public health assault. come on.. it is more a moral assault.. an assault against vaccine damage.. silly padawan or is it just a band of merry ….. men assault.. a group who bands together.. Oh poor we Jesus Baby needs your support.. lol I knew Jesus Baby was thick and you have just confirmed it..

  • Sue

    Oh Jees you are as thick as Jesus baby.. they just can’t find good help these days.. lol

  • Sue

    I am not sure if you realise padawan but the human race has been here for about 150 thousand years.. 200 years is a drop in the bucket.. so get over yourself.. and your science bullsh….t .. Science is only as honest as the scientists.. or are you to stupid not to realise that….or is it only the people that you say are fraudulent that is true.. wow you do have a high opinion of yourself…. So for a 150 thousand to 200 thousand years man has been stupid and only now have they got their sh..t together in the last 200 years…..

  • Sue

    You want be to answer a question of how long to vaccine damaged people live,.. how long to starving people live.. how long does someone live who has cancer.. but the biggest question I would ask is what is the quality of life,.. what sort of immoral question is that.. you are as stupid as the person you are trying to well what are you trying to do padawan.. please have some intelligence, or a little compassion for those who suffer…..

  • Sue

    Oh little or no sense BABY.. Lol exactly .. getting a pep talk from the captain.. how cute….

  • That doesn’t answer the questions at all.

  • What are you talking about? America is not a public health system.

  • Exactly the point.

  • Sure. But that’s really different from not having a choice. It’s just that your choices have consequences.

  • List 12. It’s a revolving door.

  • Evidence for that is what?

  • Name 12.

  • Agreed.

    However, there are relevant physiological differences between vaccines and antibiotics – also, the antigenic load of vaccines has declined.

  • Sue

    No sorry I am not giving you an evil thrill to know how many poor babies die of vaccine damage,, as most are not allowed to have put of the death cert that is was due to vaccine damage,.. you are not only immoral but Schadenfreude – satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else’s misfortune… Well all I can say padawan I am glad you are not on my Christmas Card List….

  • The Public health system in the UK.

    Sure, much like everyone pays for schools if they can afford to.

  • You do realize that universal widespread scientific fraud could be empirically demonstrated, right?

    So your evidence of this global conspiracy would be…what, exactly? Be specific.

  • Sue

    Really so all the adults who are un vaccinated are causing a multitude of diseases.. oh get over yourself.. you are so stupid…

  • You’re still dodging the questions.

    They were

    1)What are your thoughts on Gadad et al?

    2)What are your thoughts on Baxter et al?

    3)What is your evidence for your claim that Ken S is being paid?

  • Sue

    Hey why 12 is there only 11.. even you are not that stupid.. is this the way your merry bunch of men work. just asking for questions.you need another rule book …

  • The germ doesn’t care how you got the immunity.

    And no, that’s not the argument any more than drunk drivers cause a multitude of accidents.

  • Sue

    The only people you listen to is BIG Pharma and its cronies.. come on little sheep..

  • Why 12? No reason really – it’s just that as the first other-named-number-in-its-own-right – it seemed a good a number as any for proof of revolving door.

    How about 6 then?

    “Is there only 11”? I don’t know. That’s what I’m asking you.

  • I listen to you and ask you for evidence for your claim. If you choose to dodge the questions, well…

  • Sue

    What you get more stupid with every post.. far out.. where are you from.. a country called no common sense.. Nearly my bedtime where I am from.. so i am off to finish watching Clinton and Trump.. go and take a pill it may help.. lol…

  • Sue

    Oh as I said where are your from the land of dipsticks.. …

  • Good job I didn’t ask you to tell me how many poor babies die of vaccine damage then, isn’t it?

    I asked what your opinion was on Baxter et al. This is not asking you to tell me how many poor babies die of vaccine damage.

    I asked what your opinion was on Gadad et al. This is not asking you to tell me how many poor babies die of vaccine damage.

    I asked you for your evidence for your claim that Ken S was being paid. This is not asking you to tell me how many poor babies die of vaccine damage.

    Why do you think any of those are asking you to tell me how many poor babies die of vaccine damage?

    Please note that I am asking you WHY you think those questions are asking you to tell me how many poor babies die of vaccine damage and not asking you how many poor babies die of vaccine damage.

  • Still haven’t answered the questions.

  • Still not an answer.

  • Still not an answer though, is it?

  • Sue

    You ask me about Baxter et al.. you aks me about Gadad et al.. if you asked me to jump off a bridge should i also do what you ask… So you are so up yourself,, if you ask I need to answer.. is that how you work.. get over yourself..

  • Sue

    really .. hep posters and readers.. padawan asks a question you must answer… lol

  • Sue

    HEY posters and readers.. padawan asks a question you must answer… lol

  • Sue

    Mmm really .. posters and readers.. padawan asks a question you must answer… lol

  • I don’t think asking you for your thoughts on Baxter et al and Gadad et al are really equivalent to asking you to jump off a bridge. I mean, really, all that requires is reading studies and typing out your thoughts – you clearly don’t have a problem with responding to me so why do you have a problem answering me?

    And I’m asking you for your thoughts like you asked. You wanted people to listen to you, remember?

    I was mostly pointing out that I didn’t actually ask you about how many babies die of vaccine damage to be perfectly honest.

  • Sue

    And what am I claiming.. come on everyone knows about the revolving door.. prove it is not true…1 is to many

  • Of course, if you’d backed up your claims in the first place, we’d have avoided all this.

  • You’re really putting a lot of effort into responding me without answering my questions.

    Why is that? If you don’t have an answer then don’t bother responding to me.

  • No. Simply that if you respond to someone then you should answer their questions.

    For the same reason that this is doing conversation wrong:

    Adam: What’s the weather like today?

    Bob: Did you read Harry Potter yet?

  • Sue

    No you are trying to control the post by suggesting to me to read and discuss what you want me to on the people you have suggested.. it is your way of trying to control.. I have never bought Baxter et al and Gadad et al up so why would you suggest I answer questions on them.. it is called control, control control….Oh I feel for the people in your life…

  • Sue

    really so I am suppose to answer in response in a direction you wish to take the conversion.. I have no say in this. as I said control..
    Adam Whats the weather like today,
    Bob.. I don’t care find why don’t you find out for yourself..

  • “Everyone knows about the revolving door.” This is your claim but this is excellent news! If everyone knows then you’ll have no trouble providing the evidence. Please get on with it.

    “1 is too many.” I’ll accept this arguendo for now. However, one instance is not “a revolving door.” Which was your claim.

    “Prove it is not true.” YOU are the one making positive claim that something exists – in this case, a revolving door – YOU are the one who has the responsibility to prove your claim true.

    https://youtu.be/Rzku-i_psjg

    Thoughts on Baxter et al? Gadad et al? Evidence that Ken S is being paid – your other claim.

  • Sue

    Ha ha there you go again control.. re Baxter et al and Gadad et al.. is this the only knowledge you have.. and can you only ask questions is that where your talent stops…

  • So do you have any evidence at all?

  • I didn’t ask you to answer questions on them. I asked you for your thoughts on them.

    Yeah. See, you claimed they were all funded by Pharma. If you’d read Gadad et al then you’d know it was funded by a group who had a financial interest in vaccines = autism so why did the study not come to the conclusion that vaccines cause autism?

    Of course, since I gave you the name of the paper, you don’t need to take my word on what it says and I gave you the name of the paper precisely because I wouldn’t expect you to.

  • “I have no say in this.” Of course you do. You could block me. You could ignore me manually. You could go to another site. There a multitude of things you could do to have control.

    I just don’t see the point in responding if you’re not going to answer questions.

  • Sue

    And you do.. what is it a history you state of 200 years.. yet mankind has been here for 150 thousand years to 200 thousand years.. and you think the vaccines are the holy grail.. your evidence you have is based on trumped up stats.and bulls..t. however you already know that and you have been given on these posts enough correct info to sick a ship.. so what ever i would say you would debunk..But like a lot of others on here you are probably lonely and have no life,, so feeling important but for a moment may make you feel good.. so go for it.. padawan.. sad….

  • Sue

    Well stop asking control fre..k and In will stop responding.. you know you love to control and have the last word.. come on …. lol As i said lonely…

  • Sue

    I never claimed anything.. and you expect people to believe your post.. when you just lie.. OM goodness….

  • Evidence of this conspiracy?

  • What do you think making a claim is?

  • *Yawn* I take it you have no answers then?

  • Sue

    Ha ha really now out with the typical wording.. do you ever get tired of saying the word conspiracy.. I mean really lol

  • Sue

    mm there you go again with the idiot questions????

  • Sue

    Yawn I take it you have no more questions.. yawn yawn..

  • Sue

    Off to bed.. go bore some other poor poster with your dribble…..

  • Nah, I’m not going to pile them up. I’ll wait until I get answers from you before I ask more.

  • See you in the morning then – please answer my questions then.

  • Ron Roy

    She’s out of her element here. Her co-working shills aren’t here to back her up.

  • Ron Roy

    The CDC, FDA, NIH etc are all working FOR the very companies that they should be monitoring. 35 drugs that they considered safe had to be taken off the market because the destruction they caused, on adults, was too obvious. When it comes to vaccines however most of the harm is to babies that can’t speak out so it’s left to the parents, who are lied to by their pediatricians when their told it wasn’t the vaccine that harmed their child, making it an uphill battle costing thousand if they decide to fight the system.

  • Ron Roy

    Let’s flush him. lol

  • Ron Roy

    I didn’t say he was. Read what I posted. I said to Lowell we should be thankful to these shills because when they try and debate with him it’s very obvious that they are paid to lie and they look so bad that anyone reading these posts can see Lowell is right.

  • Mike Stevens

    More like:
    Sue: “I wish to discuss vaccines”
    Padawan: “OK, what is your opinion on XYZ?”
    Sue: “Sod off”

  • Jesus baby

    Look out Sue someone might ask you to answer a question.

  • Jesus baby

    I’d question you about that but we know it wouldn’t do any good.

  • Jesus baby

    The question was what has the CDC lied about.

  • AutismDadd

    I don’t mean 4 letter words, you language is foul in a shill sort of way.

  • AutismDadd

    Reading comprehension is not your Super Power

  • AutismDadd

    You said you just happened to look it up when its obvious its your job.

  • AutismDadd

    No one…that’s the issue.

  • AutismDadd

    Try necessary

  • AutismDadd

    See how Jesus baby replied? With nonsense. Has no way to deny the truth so the nonsense card is played.

  • AutismDadd

    Why did the Lancet first publish his paper?

  • So you don’t have any evidence, you’re just guessing. Cute!

  • You’re a liar. I did not “just happen” to look it up. I never said that I “just happened” to look it up. I looked it up specifically because of Lowell’s comment. When I read his comment, I said to myself, “Hmmm! ADHD is another disorder that’s had changing criteria and awareness, too! Let’s see how consistent the diagnosis figures are for ADHD!”

    Do you understand the concept of looking for information because it’s relevant to your point?

  • Jesus baby

    Lol they thought he was honest – no rational person will ever do that again, thankfully.

  • Would you agree he should be interviewed publicly so he can use the answers he was ordered to give?

    So he was ordered to give answers, but those orders came from no one? That’s awfully strange!

  • How about if you just ended your attempts to create only more irrelevant distractions, and only more deliberate disruption. I am speaking of you inability to discuss actual vaccine safety.

    Here below is what I want you to address directly.

    If there is one single situation that has the potential to take the vaccine promoters to the ground, it is the HPV vaccines, Gardasil, and Cervarix. When the evidence get overwhelming enough and it eventually has to, these vaccines will be forced off the market. When that happens it will open the spotlight on the issues of all vaccine safety, and as well in regard to the known unresolved issue of vaccine contamination. There is absolutely no way they will ever resolve that situation, and as well considering the vile substances that vaccine antigens have been grown on and made from. There is no way to ever clean up those vaccines.

    Flawed HPV Vaccine Safety Statement Revealed in Leaked E-Mails
    October 9, 2016

    In chaos theory, there is a familiar metaphor known as the “butterfly effect” that suggests small changes in initial conditions (the flapping of a butterfly’s wings) can result in large differences in a later state (the pattern of a hurricane). In the area of vaccine safety, we’ve seen this play out time and again; most recently, when the misrepresentation of study data on minute components of HPV vaccines, presented before a small gathering in Tokyo in 2014, resulted in a worldwide safety proclamation upon which physicians are now basing their vaccination recommendations – and young girls are suffering. In an open letter to the head of the World Health Organization, Dr. Sing Hang Lee, MD, the director of the Milford Molecular Diagnostics Laboratory in Milford, Connecticut, claims members of the WHO’s Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety (GACVS) deliberately manipulated scientific data relating to the safety of HPV vaccines Gardasil® and Cervarix®. The letter states that the emails, obtained via a Freedom of Information request, clearly demonstrate members of the GAVCS, the CDC and the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare knew before the February 26, 2014 Tokyo public hearing that one of their own experts showed scientific evidence that HPV vaccination does increase cytokines, including tumor necrosis factor (TNF), particularly at the injection site compared to other vaccines.

    Read More…
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/flawed-hpv-vaccine-safety-statement-revealed-in-leaked-e-mails/

    Flawed HPV Vaccine Safety Statement Triggers Butterfly Effect

    Leaked E-Mails Reveal WHO Suppressed Info on Dangerous Particles in Vaccine

    In chaos theory, there is a familiar metaphor known as the “butterfly effect” that suggests small changes in initial conditions (the flapping of a butterfly’s wings) can result in large differences in a later state (the pattern of a hurricane). In the area of vaccine safety, we’ve seen this play out time and again; most recently, when the misrepresentation of study data on minute components of HPV vaccines, presented before a small gathering in Tokyo in 2014, resulted in a worldwide safety proclamation upon which physicians are now basing their vaccination recommendations – and young girls are suffering.

    Butterfly_effect.jpg

    In an open letter to the head of the World Health Organization, Dr. Sing Hang Lee, MD, the director of the Milford Molecular Diagnostics Laboratory in Milford, Connecticut, claims members of the WHO’s Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety (GACVS) deliberately manipulated scientific data relating to the safety of HPV vaccines Gardasil® and Cervarix®.

    The letter states that the emails, obtained via a Freedom of Information request, clearly demonstrate members of the GAVCS, the CDC and the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare knew before the February 26, 2014 Tokyo public hearing that one of their own experts showed scientific evidence that HPV vaccination does increase cytokines, including tumor necrosis factor (TNF), particularly at the injection site compared to other vaccines. This increase can be attributed to HPV L1 gene DNA fragments, the viral DNA fragments, in the HPV vaccines that bind to aluminum adjuvants. This mechanism explains why serious adverse reactions occur more often in people injected with HPV vaccines than other vaccines, and why certain predisposed individuals may suffer sudden unexplained deaths as a result.

    Yet, the GAVCS chose to suppress this information at the public hearing in Tokyo and in a subsequent CDC Technical Report upon which they based their statement of safety.

    One of the ways this subterfuge was conducted was by misquoting the authors of two important papers, one based on a study funded by CMSRI: “Death after Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Vaccination: Causal or Coincidental?” by Lucija Tomljenovic and Christopher A. Shaw, published in Pharmceutical Reg Affairs, 2012.

    The other paper was a case report by Sing Han Lee, “Detection of Human Papillomavirus L1 Gene DNA Fragments in Postmortem Blood and Spleen after Gardasil Vaccination,” published in Advances in Bioscience and Biotechnology, 2012.

    In a comprehensive article by Norma Erickson of SaneVax, Inc., that included copies of the leaked emails, Dr. Lee illustrates how the differences between and the effects of HPV L1 virus like particles (VLPs) and HPV L1 gene DNA fragments were intentionally confused by Chairman Dr. Robert Pless in order to mislead readers and policy makers who were not experts in the area.

    One of these was Dr. Helen Petousis-Harris of New Zealand, from whom Pless solicited “expert” support, despite her own admission (“I do not know if I am an expert on this…”); her lack of peer-reviewed published studies (she had only written a social media blog on HPV vaccines); and comments that revealed she did not understand the fundamental nature of HPV L1 VLP as a protein.

    In one of her email exchanges with Pless, Petousis-Harrison wrote, “Dear Rob, Oh dear! I am so saddened to hear how extensive the impact of the Lee, Shaw and Tomljenovic’s activities has become. I will certainly do anything I can to assist.”

    The appalling and lengthy list of contradictions, obfuscations and misrepresentations by Pless, Petousis-Harrison and others appears in detail in the SaneVax article, along with the call by Dr. Lee to hold accountable “any who blindly dismiss the potential toxicity of the newly created HPV L1 gene DNA/AAHS compound in order to continue to promote HPV vaccines.”

    We fervently agree. When it comes to the health and lives of our children, we must insist that every “flap of a butterfly’s wings” be honestly and rigorously studied if we are to turn back the gathering storm of injury and illness that is already wreaking devastation on this generation.

    by Claire Dwoskin

    http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/flawed-hpv-vaccine-safety-statement-triggers-butterfly-effect

  • How about if you simply stick to the relevant matters of vaccine safety? Here below is again what I want you to address directly.

    Irish HPV vaccine victim Rebecca
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AK9ypglecg

    Pharma hacks tell HPV vaccine-damaged teen they ‘don’t feel guilty’ about destroying lives

    In Galway, Ireland, one brave young girl named Rebecca recently faced off with a panel of mainstream medical industry hacks. In her introduction to the group, Rebecca says that she currently needs to see four doctors and is no longer in school because of the injuries she incurred after receiving an HPV vaccine. The adverse effects she has experienced from the vaccine have left her wheelchair-bound.

    Rebecca asks the panel, “I was just wondering, do you feel guilty for promoting this vaccine that has left so many girls out of school, wheelchair-bound, and just basically don’t have a life?”

    Of course, the responding person tries to deflect the question; its very clear that she does not want to answer it. “I can’t say anything to you, other than … you’d have to have a heart of stone not to feel deeply for the situation you are in,” the woman retorts. In a trailing voice, the woman says, “So let’s not run away from that …” while trying to change the subject.

    Rebecca, however, does not back down. She interrupts the pandering platitudes being handed out to her and repeats herself, “Do you feel guilty, yes or no?”

    Rebecca clearly wants answers from these people – and she has every right to demand them. They should feel guilty for what they have done, not just to her, but to thousands of other young women across the globe.

    Sadly, the only reply from this unfeeling, and apparently stone-hearted woman is, “No, I don’t feel guilty … .” [Emphasis added]

    Rebecca, outraged and perhaps even heartbroken over the fact that her pain – and the pain of hundreds more – is meaningless to these profit-seeking fear-mongering talking heads, interrupts again. “So you are fine with that, having more girls turn out like this [living with] chronic pain? So you are fine with that, you can have that on your conscience?”

    The woman Rebecca is speaking to struggles for words and says, “I … I am an advocate for women’s health.”

    At this point, another audience member can be heard saying “Shame on you!” to the panel members. He is reprimanded for interrupting, at which he says, “Listen, she just told that girl that she didn’t care what happened to her, alright? And she is here promoting what she, what happened to that girl. Shame on you.”

    Red more:
    http://drleonardcoldwell.com/pharma-hacks-tell-hpv-vaccine-damaged-teen-dont-feel-guilty-destroying-lives/

    R.E.G.R.E.T. Support Group was set up by parents of Irish teenage girls who have developed serious health problems after entering secondary school. These parents are certain that the HPV vaccine (Gardasil) is the cause of their daughters’ otherwise unexplained illness.
    http://www.regret.ie/

    TV3 HPV Documentary 141215
    Gardasil in Ireland under scrutiny. 150 girls from the group REGRET believe their debilitating conditions are due to the vaccine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUB-3kZK-rA

  • Again, how about if you just stick to the vaccine safety issues.

    Did you know that Zika is just another scam to get millions in funding for a vaccine that is never going to do anyone any good?

    Go ahead and give me your views on this information?

    Chemicals, Vaccines, and Bill Gates: What You Need To Know About The Zika-Fear Campaign
    http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/chemicals-vaccines-and-bill-gates-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-zika-fear-campaign/

    Silent Epidemic; The Untold Story of Vaccines
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3TjokVU4

  • I don’t respond to copy-pasted screeds. I type out my own arguments, and so can you.

  • I still don’t know it. If you can provide some argument in your own words, I’ll try to respond to it. I don’t believe that Zika was manufactured or deliberately spread.

  • And yet, Gardasil is working. Down with cervical cancer!

  • AutismDadd

    What’s this your 15 minutes of DUH?

  • AutismDadd

    It was hailed as an important discovery, until he suggested looking at the MMR as a link. It isn’t about being rational, its about making money selling MMR’s. I guess you don’t get it.

  • AutismDadd

    Too bad it proves nothing. Its statistical blah blah

  • AutismDadd

    How can you have consistent information when you keep changing the criteria? How can you compare two sets of it. But that’s just the reason it was done, its a shell game. Autism increased 600% and they had to produce some misinformation

  • AutismDadd

    I’m accusing not guessing.

  • Yeah, screw statistics and methodology, right? Nobody ever learned anything from a bunch of dumb numbers! :P

  • Do you understand that two different figures from two different years could have different meanings? Do you understand how person who would have been counted in one figure might not have been counted in the other?

  • Accusing without evidence, yeah. That’s just what an alt-med shill like you would do.

  • And all that shows that to be, are the Merck funded studies, and through their associated minions. Lets face it, you as well never reviewed any of that information.

    Gardasil HPV Vaccine Trial Using Infants as Young as One Year of Age
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/gardasil-hpv-vaccine-trial-using-infants-as-young-as-one-year-of-age/

    This would explain again directly the HPV vaccine caused autoimmune disorders that have been known of and as well possibly some of the adverse reactions and un-recovered from outcomes related to both HPV vaccines, Gardasil and Cervarix.

    The standard pharma directed version immunologists have simply ignored the issue of molecular mimicry, in regard to the development and use of vaccines. As well the second most irresponsible form of neglect that immunologists ignore in regard to vaccine production, is the issue and concept known as original antigenic sin. The original antigenic sin issue only involves vaccine deriving immunity, and not natural immunity.

    Quantifying the possible cross-reactivity risk of an HPV16 vaccine.
    Kanduc D. J Exp Ther Oncol. 2009.

    Abstract

    BACKGROUND: The potential adverse events associated with vaccination for infectious diseases underscore the need for effective analysis and definition of possible vaccine side effects. Using the HPV16 proteome as a model, we quantified the actual and theoretical risks of anti-HPV16 vaccination, and defined the potential disease spectrum derived from concomitant cross-reactions with the human organism.

    METHODS: We searched the primary sequence of the HPV16 proteome for heptamer aminoacid sequences shared with human proteins using the Protein International Resource database.

    RESULTS: The human proteome contains 82 heptapeptides and two octapeptides found in HPV16. The viral matches are spread among proteins involved in fundamental processes, such as cell differentiation and growth and neurosensory regulation. The human proteins containing the HPV16-derived heptamers include cell-adhesion molecules, leukocyte differentiation antigens, enzymes, proteins associated with spermatogenesis, transcription factors, and neuronal antigens. The number of viral matches and their locations make the occurrence of side autoimmune cross-reactions in the human host following HPV16-based vaccination almost unavoidable.

    CONCLUSIONS: Any antigen-based vaccine needs to be carefully and thoroughly designed and critically screened for potential side effects by comparing sequence similarity at the molecular level.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19827272/

    Death after Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Vaccination: Causal or Coincidental?

    Conclusions: Our study suggests that HPV vaccines containing HPV-16L1 antigens pose an inherent risk for
    triggering potentially fatal autoimmune vasculopathies.

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/ltshaw-death-after-quadrivalent-hpv-vaccination-pharma-reg-affairs-2012.pdf

    Molecular Mimicry as a Mechanism of Autoimmune Disease

    Abstract
    A variety of mechanisms have been suggested as the means by which infections can initiate and/or exacerbate autoimmune diseases. One mechanism is molecular mimicry, where a foreign antigen shares sequence or structural similarities with self-antigens. Molecular mimicry has typically been characterized on an antibody or T cell level. However, structural relatedness between pathogen and self does not account for T cell activation in a number of autoimmune diseases. A proposed mechanism that could have been misinterpreted for molecular mimicry is the expression of dual T cell receptors (TCR) on a single T cell. These T cells have dual reactivity to both foreign and self-antigens leaving the host vulnerable to foreign insults capable of triggering an autoimmune response. In this review, we briefly discuss what is known about molecular mimicry followed by a discussion of the current understanding of dual TCRs. Finally, we discuss three mechanisms, including molecular mimicry, dual TCRs and chimeric TCRs, by which dual reactivity of the T cell may play a role in autoimmune diseases.

    Read more:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3266166/

    Nordic Cochrane Research Center Files Complaint About Scientific Misconduct, Secrecy in HPV Vaccine Probe

    Nordic Cochrane Center, a Danish research and information center is challenging the European Medicines Agency’s (EMA) 2015 report on human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines and the EMA’s position that HPV vaccine benefits outweigh the risks. After numerous reports of HPV vaccine-related brain and immune system injuries and deaths, the Danish Health and Medicines Authority asked the EMA to conduct the probe into HPV vaccine safety, but prominent physicians in the country are not convinced about the EMA’s conclusions downplaying the vaccine’s risks. On May 26, 2016, the Nordic Cochrane Center filed an official complaint charging the EMA with “maladministration” and citing flaws throughout the agency’s report. The EMA replied that it has received the complain and will respond after carefully considering all the issues raised by the research group. The Nordic Cochrane Center is an independent research and information center that is part of Cochrane, an international network of individuals and institutions committed to preparing, maintaining, and disseminating systematic reviews of the effects of health care.

    Read More…
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/nordic-cochrane-research-center-files-complaint-about-scientific-misconduct-secrecy-in-hpv-vaccine-probe/

    Breaking News: Gardasil® HPV DNA discovered in post-mortem samples
    http://sanevax.org/breaking-news-gardasil-hpv-dna-discovered-in-post-mortem-samples/

    Tens of Thousands of Adverse Reactions to this Popular Vaccine Being Labelled “A Coincidence”
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/tens-thousands-adverse-reactions-popular-vaccine-labelled-a-coincidence/

    Allegations of Scientific Misconduct by GACVS/WHO/CDC Representatives et al
    An open-letter of complaint to the Director-General of the World Health Organization, Dr. Margaret Chan
    http://sanevax.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Allegations-of-Scientific-Misconduct-by-GACVS.pdf

    HPV Vaccine Maker’s Study Proves Natural HPV Infection Beneficial, Not Deadly
    Written By: Kelly Brogan, M.D. and Sayer Ji, Founder

    Behind every vaccine is an assumption. That HPV causes cervical cancer, that cervical cancer causes death, and that a vaccine can effectively interfere with this linear relationship is the assumption to be examined in this article. Cervarix is a vaccine recommended to girls beginning as early as 9 years old, intended to protect against HPV strains 16 and 18 upon completion of a 3 dose series. It is an aluminum-containing product, with notable “immunogenicity”.

    A new GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) funded study published in the Journal of Infectious Diseases has revealed that HPV infection, resulting in naturally acquired human papilloma virus (HPV) antibodies, reduces the risk for new infection and cervical abnormalities linked to cancer in non-HPV vaccinated subjects.

    In addition to this startling finding – additional GSK-funded research from this year revealed that the HPV vaccine may not protect women against high-grade squamous intraepithelial lesions, dysplasias.

    If, in fact, the HPV vaccines do not work as widely advertised, and natural HPV infectious exposures actually protect against the progression of HPV linked cervical changes to cancer, then taken together, both these findings challenge the most fundamental assumptions within vaccine science (aka vaccinology), and render highly dubious the oft repeated rhetoric that natural HPV infection is juggernaut –like deadly force the best defense against which are universal immunization campaigns.

    HPV Infection Protects Against New Infection and Cervical ‘Premalignancies’

    The groundbreaking new study titled, Risk of newly detected infections and cervical abnormalities in women seropositive for naturally-acquired HPV-16/18 antibodies: analysis of the control arm of PATRICIA, analyzed data from the non-vaccinated control arm of the Papilloma Trial against Cancer in Young Adults (PATRICIA), to ascertain whether natural HPV16 and HPV18 antibodies reduced the risk for new HPV infection and/or cervical abnormalities over a 300 day period. A total of 16,656 women were included in the study’s control arm (8,193 women in the HPV16 analysis and 8,463 women in the HPV18 analysis), with none of the women being administered the HPV vaccine.

    It should be noted that this is one of the first studies to look at the natural history of HPV infection and immunity, as well as one of the first studies to show the validity of using the control arm data from vaccine efficacy trials. The control arm did, however, receive three doses of the Hepatitis A vaccine. As there are no vaccine studies in existence using a true non-vaccinated control group, the natural incidence of a disease, as well as the true risks of a vaccine cannot be effectively assessed.

    The study found that the presence of natural antibodies against HPV16, considered one of the most malignant of the over 120 unique types identified, lowered the risk for newly detected infection and a type of abnormal pap smear result known as ASC-US+ or ‘atypical squamous cells of undetermined significance’. The same protective effect was found for natural HPV18 antibodies, only to a lesser extent.

    …………

    2. It appears there is a correlation between antibodies related to infection and protection from dysplasia (cellular abnormalities) rather than infection progressing definitively to cancer. The commonly held notion that naturally transmitted HPV infection and subsequent elevation of antibody titers is a disease process that leads inevitably to tissue pathology and possibly precancer or cancer, rather than an instance of the immune system effectively meeting the HPV viral challenging and responding with an appropriate antibody response, conferring lasting immunity, is debunked by this new study. Clearly, natural infection not only prevents reinfection, but even reduces the risk of HPV’s potential induction of dysplastic cellular changes associated with cancer.

    READ more:
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/hpv-vaccine-maker-s-study-shows-natural-hpv-infection-beneficial-not-deadly

    HPV vaccine may not protect women against high-grade squamous intraepithelial lesions, dysplasias
    Mahmud SM. J Clin Oncol. 2014;doi:10.1200/JCO.2013.51.4265.
    http://www.healio.com/hematology-oncology/cancer-prevention/news/online/%7B0c273308-2b91-4dcf-89a5-f12d84a8e6e9%7D/hpv-vaccine-may-not-protect-women-against-high-grade-squamous-intraepithelial-lesions-dysplasias

    Vaccination may contribute to causing a wide variety of autoimmune disorders.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20193633

    HPV Vaccine Can Make You Susceptible to More Serious Strains of HPV
    Women Vaccinated for HPV May Be at Higher Risk of HPV Infection
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/05/05/hpv-vaccine-gardasil.aspx

    Human papilloma virus vaccine and primary ovarian failure: another facet of the autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23902317

    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/article/human-papilloma-virus-vaccine-and-primary-ovarian-failure-another-facet

    Did Merck Deceive FDA About Gardasil Vaccine Research Omitting Data Concerning Ovarian Failure?

    by Cynthia A. Janak
    Health Impact News

    Comments by John P. Thomas
    Health Impact News

    Could the Research Design Measure Ovarian Dysfunction?

    The American College of Pediatricians stated:

    Few other vaccines besides Gardasil® that are administered in adolescence contain polysorbate 80. Pre-licensure safety trials for Gardasil® used placebo that contained polysorbate 80 as well as aluminum adjuvant. Therefore, if such ingredients could cause ovarian dysfunction, an increase in amenorrhea probably would not have been detected in the placebo controlled trials. Furthermore, a large number of girls in the original trials were taking hormonal contraceptives which can mask ovarian dysfunction including amenorrhea and ovarian failure. Thus a causal relationship between human papillomavirus vaccines (if not Gardasil® specifically) and ovarian dysfunction cannot be ruled out at this time.

    While data from those studies do not indicate an increased rate of amenorrhea after vaccination, the essential lack of saline placebos and the majority of participants taking hormonal contraceptives in those studies preclude meaningful data to rule out an effect on ovarian function. [1]

    Read more:
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2016/did-merck-deceive-fda-about-gardasil-vaccine-research-omitting-data-concerning-ovarian-failure/

    New Concerns about the Human Papillomavirus Vaccine
    https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/health-issues/new-concerns-about-the-human-papillomavirus-vaccine

    Cynthia A. Janak column – Gardasil
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak

    The Shocking Truth About Mandatory Vaccines Revealed

    Council for Vaccine Safety founder, Brandy Vaughn, joins the show to discuss what’s really behind the push for mandatory vaccinations. The pharmaceutical industry is set to make billions off of mandatory childhood vaccinations, and now both boys and girls will be pressured to take the highly controversial Gardasil shot. Vaughn is a former Merck drug sales rep.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ8qA6iu8DE

    Silent Epidemic; The Untold Story of Vaccines
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3TjokVU4

  • I know it’s difficult, but could you try making a few posts where you link to and describe external sources instead of copying and pasting them?

  • So you refuse the information and revert again to the only accepting it in your in your own words, bull$hit. And therefore again you look beyond pathetic.

    Of course Zika was originally discovered by the Rockefeller foundation in Uganda in 1947, and it had in all these years never produced anything but a mild illness. No microcephaly was ever known to be caused.

    How about this information? Can you respond to that, as obviously you failed the last exercise? If this doesn’t concern you, then obviously you are and were never concerned about vaccine safety at all.

    The Shocking Truth About Mandatory Vaccines Revealed

    Council for Vaccine Safety founder, Brandy Vaughn, joins the show to discuss what’s really behind the push for mandatory vaccinations. The pharmaceutical industry is set to make billions off of mandatory childhood vaccinations, and now both boys and girls will be pressured to take the highly controversial Gardasil shot. Vaughn is a former Merck drug sales rep.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ8qA6iu8DE

    Merck Whistleblower Tells All About Forced Vaccination

    Rob Dew speaks with former Merck sales rep Brandy Vaughan about the plan for pushing mandatory vaccines, and how it starts with the HPV Shot. Brandy also discloses new information about the Vitamin K shot and the dangerous new additives that are being being pumped into “babies first shot”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRSc2-wRlrQ

    Silent Epidemic; The Untold Story of Vaccines
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3TjokVU4

  • You can either respond to it or leave this site for failure to discuss the real vaccine truth information. No one wants to hear anything from a shill that refuses direct information. You are and clearly look like an in denial, coward. You again have nothing. Your choice. Don’t respond to it then. I will just move on to some more information that you will again fail to respond to.

  • Sue

    You are so right Ron Roy

  • No, I didn’t ask for it in my words, I asked for it in your words. And there you go again with the copypasta.

  • The reason you don’t type out your own arguments is you don’t understand anything that you paste. You don’t know how to read studies, that much you’ve already made clear.

  • Sue

    Oh Mikey you are still on here,… sticking up for ypur little buddies.. how sweet, Lol

  • Sue

    Oh look at you BABY your merry bunch of … came to your rescue.. Oh you are so cherished,,lol

  • Cut the false excuses. Quite obviously all the information you need, is right there. So how many times have you continued to dance around these vaccine safety issues, and while only re-parroting only more of the false vaccine propaganda? You can keep evading it all for as long as you want. Don’t expect anyone to somehow believe that you have anything at all to offer as to the issue of vaccine safety. Obviously you can not even begin to respond to the real issues. All you will ever do is to continue to make false excuses. You have nothing, so just admit it.

  • Sue

    BABY you wouldn’t have the brains to ask a good question if your life depended on it…

  • That is a complete load of BS, and for your information I have been researching these issues since 2008. Obviously as well, I do know how to read studies, and on both sides of the debate. All the typical textbook vaccine trolling shill excuses you can throw at it will not cover-up your obvious inability to address the actual vaccine safety issues.

  • If you’ve been researching it since 2008, you’ve been doing a horrible job. You should’ve at least learned to read a study since then, instead of making false shill accusations and vomiting up copy-pasted pages that you don’t understand.

  • You really love the word “false,” don’t you? You must, since everything you say is false. If you weren’t a fool and a liar, you’d be able to actually describe a single one of the bogus studies, papers, and books you keep regurgitating. Too bad you are and a liar, and you can’t describe any of them. You’re a sheep.

  • Obviously you have a reading comprehension issue. You know exactly what that meant. So here we have it again. I post the information and ask for a direct response to it; and here we have Ken S dancing around it all, and as he will make another 25 posts arguing again and again about why he can not respond directly to the information. At least by then you will have buried what I posted, so far back, that no one will even realize what is being posted about. And that is in your mind a win for you in the nothing but distraction and disruption game you play. Nothing changes.

  • And if I respond to it, you just shriek “LIES, FALSE, SHILL” and paste another page. And another page. And another page. Your posts don’t require any work or intellect, because you have none.

  • You have not provided evidence for any of that and/or your name calling accusations. Of course that which you stated is entirely false, and with added to it again a load of your own obvious hypocrisy. What, and you think the term, “false”; can not and does not even apply to you? It is plainly obvious who the real fool is, the liar, and the sheep.

  • “LOL” Wow, you are again beyond pathetic. In fact what I actually do, and as I have always done, is directly reply with an explanation as to why you are still wrong. What kind of a make it up as you go, and make believe delusional world do you actually live in? Now get to responding directly to that information, and quit wasting my time with your false and personally attacking excuses.

  • I don’t need to present the evidence, buddy — you do it every time you post.

  • Evidence of what?

    Actually you do need to present yourself with the counter evidence of vaccine safety. Something you have never been able to do. I don’t care if it in your words, or if it is in article and/or study form. Unlike you, I don’t just immediately throw all the opposing information off the vaccine safety debate table. I have been doing this for years ….buddy. I know every bit of what exists on both sides of the debate; for information and for existing studies. You obviously can not respond on an even playing field, and when the opposition has obviously more complete information than you do; and ever will.

  • Yet another self-serving subject change from the master of deflection and delusion. I don’t have to present the evidence that you’re a fool and a liar. It’s self-evident from your false accusations, inability to explain any of the papers you robotically paste, and childish knee-jerk reactions to criticism. I tried treating you like an adult before, but you don’t rate the treatment. You consider scouring Google for people who agree with you “research” when you can’t even comprehend what they write. Remember the J. B. Adams study you didn’t understand? The best study you had, where the actual study contradicted you, 11 out of 13 of the researchers had a direct financial interest in promoting chelation, the funding came from chelation therapy front group, and they didn’t have a neurotypical group? Remember that one? The only defense you had was to scream “FALSE DISCREDITATION, SHILL, WRONG, LIAR, NOW READ THESE 2,672 OTHER STUDIES.” Nah, kiddo, you don’t have the chops to do anything resembling research.

  • No, liar, what you do is you vomit up your keywords, assert that you are right, and paste another page of garbage that you don’t understand.

  • No I am right, and you know it. If you don’t know it; you would have to be so far into denial that you become by your own choice, entirely stupid.

    Respond to it directly.

    Re: Alleged Research Misconduct – falsification by
    omission of material results in the publication of: “Age at
    First Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccination in Children With
    Autism and School-Matched Control Subjects: A PopulationBased
    Study in Metropolitan Atlanta. 2004;113:259-266 [The
    Paper; Exhibit 1]
    http://media.wix.com/ugd/b3aa2b_da6435ff9a2144d6aa3358fec58550af.pdf

    Callous Disregard-MMR Vaccine Research, (a long list of studies)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    We demand the following:

    1.That Congress subpoena Dr. William Thompson and investigate the CDC fraud.
    2.That Congress repeal the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and hold manufacturers liable for injury caused by their vaccines.
    3.That all vaccines be classified as pharmaceutical drugs and tested accordingly.
    4.That all vaccine mandates be abolished and that the integrity of an individual’s body and a parent’s right to oversee the health of their child be respected without compromise.

  • Here’s the trouble with pasted content. When I do answer it, you just flip the table and

    paste more and demand answers again. You don’t understand what you’re posting, so you try to dazzle everybody with bullshit. I wonder how you’d like it if I played the same game. You want evidence? Here:

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/06/26/peds.2014-1079

    Safety of Vaccines Used for Routine Immunization of US Children: A Systematic Review

    Margaret A. Maglione, Lopamudra Das, Laura Raaen, Alexandria Smith, Ramya Chari, Sydne Newberry, Roberta Shanman, Tanja Perry, Matthew Bidwell Goetz, Courtney Gidengil

    Abstract

    BACKGROUND:
    Concerns about vaccine safety have led some parents to decline recommended vaccination of their children, leading to the resurgence of diseases. Reassurance of vaccine safety remains critical for population health. This study systematically reviewed the literature on the safety of routine vaccines recommended for children in the United States.

    METHODS:
    Data sources included PubMed, Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices statements, package inserts, existing reviews, manufacturer information packets, and the 2011 Institute of Medicine consensus report on vaccine safety. We augmented the Institute of Medicine report with more recent studies and increased the scope to include more vaccines. Only studies that used active surveillance and had a control mechanism were included. Formulations not used in the United States were excluded. Adverse events and patient and vaccine characteristics were abstracted. Adverse event collection and reporting was evaluated by using the McHarm scale. We were unable to pool results. Strength of evidence was rated as high, moderate, low, or insufficient.

    RESULTS:
    Of 20 478 titles identified, 67 were included. Strength of evidence was high for measles/mumps/rubella (MMR) vaccine and febrile seizures; the varicella vaccine was associated with complications in immunodeficient individuals. There is strong evidence that MMR vaccine is not associated with autism. There is moderate evidence that rotavirus vaccines are associated with intussusception. Limitations of the study include that the majority of studies did not investigate or identify risk factors for AEs; and the severity of AEs was inconsistently reported.

    CONCLUSIONS:
    We found evidence that some vaccines are associated with serious AEs; however, these events are extremely rare and must be weighed against the protective benefits that vaccines provide.

  • Should we keep a number count on how many times you post a reply and without a direct response to the information I asked you to respond to?

    With every additional ranting, attacking, and false excuses filled post that you make, you are clearly making yourself look even more insane.

    And you did nothing but twist the information all you could and make denial of that studies significance. Today you are again making additional false claims as to the study. Then you refused to address any additional studies. That is a cowards way out and for someone that is actually scared of the existing study information. A coward is as well someone who refuses to address the information and the questions posted on this article, and instead reverts to arguments from a long past previous article. As if we are instead going to rehash that, and without even as much as any information on the study. Now, who is really involved with a self serving subject change, and who is the real a master of deflection? You or me? What an entirely incompetent and twisted man. You should have just given it up, and without making yourself look even more make it up as you go deflecting, and literally in denial, insane.

    And when are you going to get to responding to this, and which you have as well evaded for dozens of posts? Come on smart guy, you can do it. Even though obviously those said vaccine safety studies have never been done; surely you can come with some smoke and mirrors studies, where you in error try to claim they were done?

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • eggman2

    Vaccines don’t prevent anything. But refusing vaccines prevents many things : lower intelligence ( due to brain damage ), mental illness ( due to brain damage), cancer, and so on.

  • Those aren’t nine honest questions — they’re nine “did you know that you’re wrong?” and “have you stopped beating your wife yet?” questions. They’re only questions in the sense that they technically have a question mark. I reject the premise. I’m not interested.

    Here are three questions for you, in the same vein:

    1) How do you respond to the fact that you’re wrong about vaccine safety?

    2) Do you actually have the nerve to claim that you know anything at all about biology, medicine, or vaccines?

    3) Why are you such a fear-mongering liar?

  • No, actually you failed to respond to the counter information that I asked you to; and you continued to refused to do so; so I simply moved on with additional information.

    Quite obviously that Pediatrics study does NOT address the study that I referred to, and nor does it address the alleged fraud that was found existing within that study.

    You know, the issue regarding the statements of William Thompson, and involving study authors, Dr. Frank DeStefano, MD., (NIP) including Dr. William Thompson Ph.D., (NIP) Dr. Marshalyn Yeargin-Allsopp, MD (NCBDDD), Dr. Tanya Karapurkar Bashin (CPHE), and Dr. Coleen Boyle, Ph.D., (NCBDDD) (collectively referred to by Dr. Thompson as “The Group”)

    You know you did not even bother to read the information. Here is the link again.

    October 14, 2014
    By Federal Express
    Dr. Harold W. Jaffe MD, MA
    Associate Director for Science
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
    1600 Clifton Drive
    Atlanta, GA. 30333

    Dr. Don Wright, MD, MPH
    Acting Director, ORI
    U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
    Office of Research Integrity
    1101 Wootton Parkway, Suite 750
    Rockville,Maryland 20852

    Re: Alleged Research Misconduct – falsification by
    omission of material results in the publication of: “Age at
    First Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccination in Children With
    Autism and School-Matched Control Subjects: A PopulationBased
    Study in Metropolitan Atlanta. 2004;113:259-266 [The
    Paper; Exhibit 1]

    http://media.wix.com/ugd/b3aa2b_da6435ff9a2144d6aa3358fec58550af.pdf

    The Rehash Of ONLY The Old Vaccine So Called Safety Studies – Presented As A Current And New Study
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-rehash-of-only-the-old-vaccine-so-called-safety-studies—presented-as-a-current-and-new-study.html

  • No, I didn’t bother to read it. I don’t read blind links that you’re too stupid to summarize. This isn’t an “a-ha, gotcha!” for you, Lowell. My position doesn’t depend on the controversy around Wakefield. Wanna talk autism? Alright.

    http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2014/03/75-studies-that-show-no-link-between.html

    Here’s A through M.

    Albizzati, A., Moré, L., Di Candia, D., Saccani, M., Lenti, C. Normal concentrations of heavy metals in autistic spectrum disorders. Minerva Pediatrica. 2012. Feb;64(1):27-31 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22350041

    Afzal, MA., Ozoemena, LC., O’Hare, A., Kidger, KA., Bentley, ML., Minor, PD. Absence of detectable measles virus genome sequence in blood of autistic children who have had their MMR vaccination during the routine childhood immunization schedule of UK. Journal Medical Virology. 2006 May;78(5):623-30. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16555271

    Ahearn WH. What Every Behavior Analyst Should Know About the “MMR Causes Autism” Hypothesis. Archive of Behavior Analysis in Practice. 2010. Spring;3(1):46-50. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22479671

    Allan, GM., Ivers, N. The autism-vaccine story: fiction and deception? Canadian Family Physician. Oct 2010; 56(10): 1013. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2954080/

    Andrews, N., Miller, E., Grant, A., Stowe, J., Osborn, V., & Taylor, B. (2004). Thimerosal exposure in infants and developmental disorders: a retrospective cohort study in the United Kingdom does not support a causal association. Pediatrics, 114, 584-591. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15342825

    Andrews, N., Miller, E., Taylor, B., Lingam, R., Simmons, A., Stowe, J., Waight, P. Recall bias, MMR and autism. Archives of Disease in Childhood. Dec 2002; 87(6): 493–494. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1755823/pdf/v087p00493.pdf

    Baird, G., Pickles, A., Simonoff, E., Charman, T., Sullivan, P., Chandler, S., Loucas, T., Meldrum, D., Afzal, M., Thomas, B., Jin, L., Brown, D. Measles vaccination and antibody response in autism spectrum disorders. Archives of Disease in Childhood. 2008 Oct;93(10):832-7. doi: 10.1136/adc.2007.122937. Epub 2008 Feb 5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18252754

    Berger, BE., Navar-Boggan, AM., Omer, SB. Congenital rubella syndrome and autism spectrum disorder prevented by rubella vaccination–United States, 2001-2010. BMC Public Health. 2011 May 19;11:340. doi: 10.1186/1471-2458-11-340. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21592401

    Black, C., Kaye, JA. Relation of childhood gastrointestinal disorders to autism: nested case-control study using data from the UK General Practice Research Database. British Medical Journal. 2002; 325(7361):419-21. http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmj.325.7361.419

    Bower, H. New research demolishes link between MMR vaccine and autism. British Medical Journal. 1999. Jun 19;318(7199):1643. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116011/

    Chen, W., Landau, S., Sham, P., & Fombonne, E. (2004). No evidence for links between autism, MMR and measles virus. Psychological Medicine, 34(3), 543-553. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15259839

    Christie, B. Scottish expert group finds no link between MMR and autism. British Medical Journal, 2002. May 11;324(7346):1118. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1172158/

    Clements, CJ., McIntyre, PB. When science is not enough – a risk/benefit profile of thiomersal-containing vaccines. Expert Drug Opinion Safety. 2006. Jan;5(1):17-29. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16370953

    Dales, L., Hammer, S. J., & Smith, N. J. (2001). Time trends in autism and in MMR immunization coverage in California. JAMA, 285(9), 1183-1185. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11231748

    De Los Reyes, EC. Autism and immunizations: separating fact from fiction. JAMA Neurology. 2010;67(4):490-492. doi:10.1001/archneurol.2010.57. http://archneur.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=799645

    DeWilde, S., Carey, IM., Richards, N., Hilton, SR., Cook, DG. Do children who become autistic consult more often after MMR vaccination? British Journal of General Practice. 2001 Mar;51(464):226-7. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1313956/

    Demicheli, V., Jefferson, T., Rivetti, A., & Price, D. (2005). Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children. Cochrane Database Syst Rev, 4. (a review of 31 studies) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22336803

    DeStefano, F. MMR vaccine and autism: a review of the evidence for a causal association. Molecular Psychiatry. 2002;7 Suppl 2:S51-2.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12142951

    DeStefano, F., Chen, RT. Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: No epidemiological evidence for a causal association. The Journal of Pediatrics. 2000 Jan;136(1):125. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10681219

    DeStefano, F., Bhasin, T. K., Thompson, W. W., Yeargin-Allsopp, M., & Boyle, C. (2004). Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan Atlanta. Pediatrics, 113(2), 259-266. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754936

    DeStefano F., Price CS., Weintraub, ES. Increasing exposure to antibody-stimulating proteins and polysaccharides in vaccines is not associated with risk of autism. Journal of Pediatrics. 2013 Aug;163(2):561-7. doi: 10.1016/j.jpeds.2013.02.001. Epub 2013 Mar 30. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23545349

    DeStefano F., Thompson, WW. MMR vaccine and autism: an update of the scientific evidence. Expert Rev Vaccines. 2004 Feb;3(1):19-22. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14761240

    DeStefano F., Thompson, WW. MMR vaccination and autism: is there a link? Expert Opinion on Drug Safety. 2002 Jul;1(2):115-20. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12904145

    DeStefano, F. Chen, RT. Negative association between MMR and autism. Lancet. 1999 Jun 12;353(9169):1987-8. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(99)00160-9/fulltext

    DeStefano, F., Chen, RT. Autism and measles-mumps-rubella vaccination: controversy laid to rest? CNS Drugs. 2001. 2001;15(11):831-7. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11700148

    D’Souza J., Todd T. Measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and the development of autism or inflammatory bowel disease: the controversy should end. Journal of Pedatric Pharmacology and Therapeutics. 2003 Jul;8(3):187-99. doi: 10.5863/1551-6776-8.3.187. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3469143/

    D’Souza, Y., Fombonne, E., Ward, BJ. No evidence of persisting measles virus in peripheral blood mononuclear cells from children with autism spectrum disorder. Pediatrics. 2006 Oct;118(4):1664-75. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17015560

    Doja, A., & Roberts, W. (2006). Immunizations and autism: A review of the literature. The Canadian Journal of Neurological Sciences, 33(4), 341-346. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17168158

    Elliman, D., Bedford, H. MMR: where are we now? Archives of Disease in Childhood. 2007 Dec;92(12):1055-7. Epub 2007 Jul 11. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2066086/

    Farrington, C., Miller, E., & Taylor, B. (2001). MMR and autism: further evidence against a causal association. Vaccine, 19(27), 3632-3635. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11395196

    Fitzpatrick, M. The end of the road for the campaign against MMR. British Journal of General Practice. 2007 Aug;57(541):679. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17688775

    Fombonne, E., & Chakrabarti, S. (2001). No evidence for a new variant of measles-mumps-rubella–induced autism. Pediatrics, 108(4), e58-e58. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11581466

    Fombonne, E., Zakarian, R., Bennett, A., Meng, L., & McLean-Heywood, D. (2006). Pervasive developmental disorders in Montreal, Quebec, Canada: Prevalence and links with immunizations. Pediatrics 118(1) e139-e150; doi:10.1542/peds.2005-2993. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/118/1/e139

    García-Fernández, L., Hernández, AV., Suárez Moreno, V., Fiestas, F. Addressing the controversy regarding the association between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism. Revista Peruana de Medicine Experimental Salud Publica. 2013 Apr;30(2):268-74. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23949514

    Gentile, I., Bravaccio, C., Bonavolta, R., Zappulo, E., Scarica, S., Riccio, MP., Settimi, A., Portella, G., Pascotta, A., Borgia, G. Response to measles-mumps-rubella vaccine in children with autism spectrum disorders. In Vivo 2013 May-Jun;27(3):377-82. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23606694

    Glasper, EA. New evidence reaffirms the safety of the MMR vaccine. British Journal of Nursing. 2002 Jun 27-Jul 10;11(12):794. http://www.internurse.com/cgi-bin/go.pl/library/article.cgi?uid=10298;article=BJN_11_12_794_0

    Halsey, NA., Hyman, SL. Measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and autistic spectrum disorder: report from the New Challenges in Childhood Immunizations Conference convened in Oak Brook, Illinois. June 12-13, 2000. Pediatrics. 2001 May;107(5):E84. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11331734

    Hayney MS. Vaccine Safety: no link between thimerosal and autism. Journal of American Pharmacists Association. 2003. 2004 Nov-Dec;44(6):725-6. http://japha.org/article.aspx?articleid=1039011

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    Heron, J., Golding, J., ALSPAC Study Team. Thimerosal exposure in infants and developmental disorders: a prospective cohort study in the United Kingdom does not support a causal association. Pediatrics. 2004 Sep;114(3):577-83. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15342824

    Hessel, L. Mercury in vaccines. Bulletin of the National Academy of Medicine. 2003;187(8):1501-10. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15146581

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    Hornig, M., Briese, T., Bule, T., Bauman, M.L., Lauwers, G., Siemetzki, U., Hummel, K., Rota, PA., Bellini, WJ., O’Leary, JJ., Sheils, O., Alden, E., Pickering, L., Lipkin, W.I. Lack of association between measles virus vaccine and autism with enteropathy: a case-control study. 2008. PLoS One, 3(9), e3140. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0003140. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18769550

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    Lazoff, T., Zhong, L., Piperni, T., Fombonne, E. Prevalence of pervasive developmental disorders among children at the English Montreal School Board. Canadian Journal of Psychiatry. 2010 Nov;55(11):715-20. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21070699

    Lingam, R., Simmons, A., Andrews, N., Miller, E., Stowe, J., & Taylor, B. (2003). Prevalence of autism and parentally reported triggers in a North-east London population. Archives of Disease in Childhood, 88(8), 666-670. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12876158

    Madsen, K.K., Hviid, A., Vestergaard, M., Schendel, D., Wohlfahrt, J., Thorsen, P., Olsen, J., Melbye, M. A population-based study of measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination and autism. 2002. The New England Journal of Medicine, 347(19), 1477-82. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12421889

    Madsen KM., Hviid, A., Vestergaard, M., Schendel, D., Wohlfahrt, J., Thorsen, P., Olsen, J. Melbye, M. MMR vaccination and autism–a population-based follow-up study. Ugeskr Laeger. 2002. Dec 2;164(49):5741-4. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12523209

    Madsen, K.M., Lauritsen, M.B., Pedersen, C.B., Thorsen, P., Plesner, A.M., Andersen, P.H. & Mortensen, P.B. Thimerosal and the occurrence of autism: negative ecological evidence from Danish population-based data. 2003. Pediatrics, 112, 604-606. doi: 10.1542/peds.112.3.204 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12949291

    Madsen, KM. Vestergaard, M. MMR and Autism: what is the evidence for a causal association? Drug Safety. 2004;27(12):831-40. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15366972

    Makela, A., Nuorti, J., & Peltola, H. (2002). Neurologic disorders after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination. Pediatrics, 110(5), 957-963. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12415036

    Marin, M., Broder, KR., Temte, JL., Snider, DE., Seward, JF., (CDC). Use of combination measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella vaccine: recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). MMWR Recommendations and Reports. 2010 May 7;59(RR-3):1-12. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20448530

    Marwick, C. US Report finds no link between MMR and autism. British Medical Journal. May 5, 2001; 322(7294): 1083. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1120232/

    MacDonald, NE., Pickering, L. Canadian Paediatric Society, Infectious Diseases and Immunization Committee. Autism Spectrum Disorder: No causal relationship with vaccines. Paediatric Child Health 2007;12(5):393-5. http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/autistic-spectrum-disorder-no-causal-relationship-with-vaccines

    Meadows, M. IOM Report: no link between vaccines and autism. FDA Consumer. 2004 Sep-Oct;38(5):18-9. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15595144

    Meilleur, AA., Fombonne, E. Regression of language and non-language skills in pervasive development disorders. Journal of Intellectual Disability Research. 2009 Feb;53(2):115-24. doi: 10.1111/j.1365-2788.2008.01134.x. Epub 2008 Nov 27. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19054269

    Miller, E. Measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and the development of autism – epidemiologic evidence against such an association is compelling. Seminars in Pediatric Infectious Diseases. 2003 Jul;14(3):199-206. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12913832

    Miller, E., Andrews, N., Grant, A., Stowe, J., Taylor, B. No evidence of an association between MMR vaccine and gait disturbance. Archives of Disease in Childhood. 2005. Mar;90(3):292-6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15723921

    Miller, L., Reynolds J. Autism and vaccination – the current evidence. Journals for Specialists in Pediatric Nursing. 2009 Jul;14(3):166-72. doi: 10.1111/j.1744-6155.2009.00194.x. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19614825

    Mrozek-Budzyn, D., Kiełtyka, A. The relationship between MMR vaccination and the number of new cases of autism in children. Przeglad epidemiologiczny. 2008;62(3):597-604. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19108524

    Mrozek-Budzyn, D., Kiełtyka, A., Majewska, R. Lack of association between measles-mumps-rubella vaccination and autism in children: a case-control study. Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal. 2010 May;29(5):397-400. doi: 10.1097/INF.0b013e3181c40a8a. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19952979

    Mrozek-Budzyn, D., Majewska, R. Kiełtyka, A. & Augustyniak, M. Lack of association between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism. Przeglad epidemiologiczny. 2011, 65(3), 491-495. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22184954

    Muhle, R., Trentacoste, SV., Rapin, I. The genetics of autism. Pediatrics. 2004 May;113(5):e472-86. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15121991

  • Jesus baby

    So you think the paper isn’t about MMR, that that came later, but you think I don’t get it?

  • Jesus baby

    With you it wouldn’t matter.

  • How are they not honest questions? Everyone that reads them can see that they are obviously reasonable and direct questions regarding the existing vaccine safety science. The first 8 question are direct questions as to the existing vaccine safety studies. Number 9 is more informational than a direct question; however it relates to your knowledge of the polio vaccine contaminant, SV40.

    You reject the premise of what? That the questions pertain to the fact that you have nothing as to actual vaccine safety study science? You are not interested? So then, what are you interested in; only further re-parroting the same old vaccines are safe and effective, false vaccine propaganda? You have been directly exposed, Ken S. Just simply face it.

    As for your three questions. You answer a question with a question; typical trolling shill. And you do not consider that as a deflection, and an evasion?

    1) You have not proven that I am wrong about vaccine safety, so your accusation fails right out of the gate. What is obviously being directly proven here, is that you are wrong.

    2) I know enough to make you look like a fool, and that is all that matters.

    3) The false fear mongering as to so called VPD’s is only on your part. Vaccine injury is very real. To claim that is a person is a lar, you actually have to show evidence that they are a liar. You have not done that in any form.

  • Here’s N through W:

    Nelson, KB., Bauman, ML. Thimerosal and autism? Pediatrics. 2003. Mar;111(3):674-9.http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/111/3/674.long

    Offit, PA., Coffin, SE. Communicating science to the public: MMR vaccine and autism. Vaccine. 2003. Dec 8;22(1):1-6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14604564

    Stratton, K., Ford, A., Rusch, E., Wright Clayton, E. Committee to Review Adverse Effects of Vaccines; Institute of Medicine. Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and Causality. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press, 2012. (a review of more than ONE THOUSAND studies). http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13164

    Patja, A., Davidkin, I., Kurki, T., Marku, J., Kallio, T., Valle, M., Peltola, H. Serious adverse events after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination during a fourteen-year prospective follow-up. 2000. Pediatric Infectious Diseases Journal. 2000;19:1127-34. http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/MMR.pdf

    Parker, S.K., Schwartz, B., Todd, J., Pickering, L.K. Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autistic spectrum disorder: A critical review of published original data. 2004. Pediatrics, 114, 793-804. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15342856

    Parker, S. Todd, J., Schwartz., B., Pickering, L.K. Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autistic spectrum disorder: A critical review of published original data. 2005. Pediatrics. Jan;115(1):200. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15630018

    Pichichero, ME., Cernichiari, E., Lopreiato, J., Treanor, J. Mercury concentrations and metabolism in infants receiving vaccines containing thiomersal: a descriptive study. Lancet. 2002 Nov 30;360(9347):1737-41. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12480426

    Peltola, H., Patja, A., Leinikki, P., Valle, M., Davidkin, I., & Paunio, M. No evidence for measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine-associated inflammatory bowel disease or autism in a 14-year prospective study. 1998. Lancet, 351(9112), 1327. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9643797

    Plotkin, S., Gerber, J. S., & Offit, P. A. (2009). Vaccines and autism: a tale of shifting hypotheses. Clinical Infectious Diseases, 48(4), 456-461. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908388/

    Price, C. S., Thompson, W. W., Goodson, B., Weintraub, E. S., Croen, L. A., Hinrichsen, V. L., DeStefano, F. Prenatal and infant exposure to thimerosal from vaccines and immunoglobulins and risk of autism. 2010. Pediatrics, 126(4), 656-664. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20837594

    Roehr B. Study finds no association between vaccines and autism. 2013. British Medical Journal. Apr 3;346:f2095. doi: 10.1136/bmj.f2095. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23554072

    Richler, J., Luyster, R., Risi, S., Hsu, W. L., Dawson, G., Bernier, R., … & Lord, C. (2006). Is there a ‘regressive phenotype’ of Autism Spectrum Disorder associated with the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine? A CPEA Study. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 36(3), 299-316. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16729252

    Rumke, HC., Visser, HK. Childhood vaccinations anno 2004. II. The real and presumed side effects of vaccination. Nederlands Tijdschrift voor Geneeskunde. 2004 Feb 21;148(8):364-71. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15032089

    Schechter, R., Grether, JK. Continuing increases in autism reported to California’s developmental services system: mercury in retrograde. Archives of General Psychiatry. 2008 Jan;65(1):19-24. doi: 10.1001/archgenpsychiatry.2007.1. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18180424

    Schultz, ST. Does thimerosal or other mercury exposure increase the risk for autism? A review of the current literature. Acta Neurobiologiae Experimentalis. 2010;70(2):187-95. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20628442

    Shevell, M.,Fombonne, E. Autism and MMR vaccination or thimerosal exposure: an urban legend? Canadian Journal of Neurological Sciences. 2006 Nov;33(4):339-40. http://cjns.metapress.com/content/xqxx6ha3ufaeuunv/?genre=article&issn=0317-1671&volume=33&issue=4&spage=339

    Smeeth, L., Cook, C., Fombonne, E., Heavey, L., Rodrigues, L. C., Smith, P. G., & Hall, A. J. (2004). MMR vaccination and pervasive developmental disorders: a case-control study. The Lancet, 364(9438), 963-969. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15364187

    Smith, M. J., & Woods, C. R. On-time vaccine receipt in the first year does not adversely affect neuropsychological outcomes. Pediatrics. 2010. 125(6), 1134-1141. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20498176

    Solt, I., Bornstein, J. Childhood vaccines and autism – much ado about nothing? Harefuah. 2010 Apr;149(4):251-5, 260. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20812501

    Singh, VK. Rivas, WH. Detection of antinuclear and antilaminin antibodies in autistic children who received thimerosal-containing vaccines – mercury as in thimerosal-containing vaccines is likely not related to autoimmune phenomenon in autism. Journal of Biomedical Science. 2004 Sep-Oct;11(5):607-10. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15316135

    Steffenburg, S., Steffenburg, U., Gillberg, C. Autism spectrum disorders in children with active epilepsy and learning disability: comorbidity, pre and perinatal backgound, and seizure characteristics. Developmental Medicine and Child Neurology. 2003 Nov;45(11):724-30. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14580127

    Stehr-Green, P., Tull, P., Stellfeld, M., Mortenson, PB., Simpson, D. Autism and thimerosal-containing vaccines: lack of consistent evidence for an association. American Journal of Preventive Medicine. 2003 Aug;25(2):101-6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12880876

    Taylor, B. Vaccines and the changing epidemiology of autism. Child: Care, Health and Development Journal. 2006 Sep;32(5):511-9. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16919130

    Taylor, B., Miller, E., Farrington, C., Petropoulos, M., Favot-Mayaud, I., Li, J., & Waight, P. A. (1999). Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: no epidemiological evidence for a causal association. Lancet, 353(9169), 2026-20. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10376617

    Taylor, B., Miller, E., Lingam, R., Andrews, N., Simmons, A., & Stowe, J. Measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination and bowel problems or developmental regression in children with autism: population study. 2002. British Medical Journal, 324(7334), 393-396. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11850369

    Taylor, B., Lingam, R., Simmons, A., Stowe, J., Miller, E., Andrews, N. Autism and MMR vaccination in North London: no causal relationship. 2002. Molecular Psychiatry. 7 Suppl2:S7-8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12142932

    Thjodleifsson, B., Davidsdóttir, K., Agnarsson, U., Sigthórsson, G., Kjeld, M., Bjarnason, I. Effect of Pentavac and measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccination on the intestine. Gut. 2002 Dec;51(6):816-7. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12427783

    Thompson, WW., Price, C., Goodson, B., Shay, DK., Benson, P., Hinrichsen, BL., Lewis, E., Eriksen, E., Ray, P., Marcy, SM., Dunn, J., Jackson, LA., Lieu, TA., Black, S., Stewart, G., Weintraub, ES., Davis, RL., DeStefano, F., Vaccine Data Link Safety Team. Early thimerosal exposure and neuropsychological outcomes at 7 to 10 years. New England Journal of Medicine. 2007 Sep 27;357(13):1281-92. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17898097

    Uchiyama, T., Kurosawa, M., & Inaba, Y. MMR-vaccine and regression in autism spectrum disorders: negative results presented from Japan. 2007. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 37(2), 210-217. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16865547

    Uno, Y., Uchiyama, T., Kurosawa, M., Aleksic, B., & Ozaki, N. The combined measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines and the total number of vaccines are not associated with development of autism spectrum disorder: first case–control study in Asia. 2012. Vaccine, 30(28), 4292-4298. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22521285

    Verstraeten T., Davis, RL., DeStefano, F., Lieu, TA., Rhodes, PH., Black, SB., Shinefield, H., Chen RT. Safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines: a two-phased study of computerized health maintenance organization databases. Pediatrics. 2003 Nov;112(5):1039-48. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14595043

    Whitehouse, AJ., Maybery, M., Wray, JA., Hickey, M. No association between early gastrointestinal problems and autistic-like traits in the general population. Developmental Medicine and Childhood Neurology. 2011. May;53(5):457-62. doi: 10.1111/j.1469-8749.2011.03915.x. Epub 2011 Mar 21. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21418197

    Weisser, K., Bauer, K., Volkers, P., Keller-Stanislawski, B. Thimerosal and immunizations – evidence does not support the hypothesis of a potential relationship between neurodevelopmental disorders and thiomersal-containing vaccines. 2004. Bundesgesundheitsblatt Gesundheitsforschung Gesundheitsschutz. Dec;47(12):1165-74. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15583887

    MMR vaccine is not linked to Crohn’s disease or autism. Commun Dis Rep CDR Weekly. 1998 Mar 27;8(13):113. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9592960

  • Jesus baby

    You know you’d be speaking German if it weren’t for us. Or Russian.

  • That still does not answer whatsoever, my direct question. Your desperation, shows. You failed, and you refuse to admit it.

    I asked you to directly address THIS MMR study information.

    October 14, 2014
    By Federal Express

    To:

    Dr. Harold W. Jaffe MD, MA
    Associate Director for Science
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
    1600 Clifton Drive
    Atlanta, GA. 30333

    Dr. Don Wright, MD, MPH
    Acting Director, ORI
    U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
    Office of Research Integrity
    1101 Wootton Parkway, Suite 750
    Rockville,Maryland 20852

    Re: Alleged Research Misconduct – falsification by
    omission of material results in the publication of: “Age at
    First Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccination in Children With
    Autism and School-Matched Control Subjects: A PopulationBased
    Study in Metropolitan Atlanta. 2004;113:259-266 [The
    Paper; Exhibit 1]

    Yours sincerely,

    Dr. Brian Hooker Ph.D.
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    Dr. Andrew Wakefield MB.,BS.
    Per pro
    James Moody J.D.

    c.c.
    Dr. Tom Frieden M.D.
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
    1600 Clifton Road
    Atlanta, GA 30329-4027

    Dr. Lewis R. First M.D.
    Department of Pediatrics
    University of Vermont College of Medicine
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    89 Beaumont Avenue
    Burlington, VT 05405
    Office of Inspector General
    US Department of Health and Human Services
    ATTN: HOTLINE
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    James M. Perrin, M.D., FAAP
    President, American Academy of Pediatrics
    The American Academy of Pediatrics
    141 Northwest Point Boulevard
    Elk Grove Village, IL 60007-1098

    Sandra Hassink, M.D., FAAP
    President-Elect, American Academy of Pediatrics
    The American Academy of Pediatrics
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    Representative Bill Posey
    120 Cannon House Office Building
    Washington, DC 20515

    Representative Daryl Issa
    2347 Rayburn House Office Building
    Washington, DC 20515

    Representative Gwen Moore
    2245 Rayburn House Office Building
    Washington, DC 20515
    219 N Milwaukee St STE 3A
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    Reverend Jesse Jackson
    [email protected]

    Reverend Al Sharpton
    National Action Network
    106 W. 145th Street
    Harlem, New York 10039

    Dr. Thomas Insel M.D.
    Director, National Institutes of Mental Health
    6001 Executive Blvd.
    Room 8184, MSC 9663
    Bethesda, MD 20892-9663

    Dr. David Weldon M.D.
    730 Malabar Rd.
    Malabar, FL 32950

    Ms. Barbara Löe Fisher
    National Vaccine Information Center
    21525 Ridgetop Circle,
    Suite 100 Sterling,
    VA 20166

    Dr. Victor J. Dzau, M.D.
    Institute of Medicine
    500 Fifth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001

    Read more:
    http://media.wix.com/ugd/b3aa2b_da6435ff9a2144d6aa3358fec58550af.pdf

    Callous Disregard-MMR Vaccine Research, (a long list of studies)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    We demand the following:

    1.That Congress subpoena Dr. William Thompson and investigate the CDC fraud.
    2.That Congress repeal the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and hold manufacturers liable for injury caused by their vaccines.
    3.That all vaccines be classified as pharmaceutical drugs and tested accordingly.
    4.That all vaccine mandates be abolished and that the integrity of an individual’s body and a parent’s right to oversee the health of their child be respected without compromise.

  • My answer is that it’s not my problem. Whether or not fraud existed in that study doesn’t really make that big a difference compared to the whole body of evidence. You’re trying to distract from the issue of vaccine safety by making it about personalities. I don’t care about Wakefield or Hooker or Thompson. If Thompson testifies publicly, great! If he doesn’t, whatever! Either way, it’s not my problem or my responsibility to refute Hooker and Wakefield’s letter. I’m more concerned with the rest of the evidence than with a single famous study.

  • AutismDadd

    I don’t think you get much either way.

  • AutismDadd

    Poor baby Ken.

  • AutismDadd

    Its apples/oranges either way

  • AutismDadd

    That’s manipulated numbers William Thompson

  • I’m glad you agree!

  • You have a bit of a misunderstanding within your mind that I need to correct. I do not need to convince a shill like you of anything. All I have to do is show the error in your false claims.

    This is not about personalities, and I quite clearly am not distracting from anything at all here. It is actually you that wants to ignore and distract from the full body of evidence. I have shown that to be the case, many times.

    Here is what your body of evidence actually amounts to.

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And, what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiolgical studies contained unreliable fraud filled, junk science. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unrealiable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    Read more:
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    14 Studies
    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/

    Again, as to the available vaccine safety studies, until you can answer these questions directly, you have no evidence of actual vaccine safety.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    Lawrence Palevsky, MD, discusses the contents of vaccines and the significant lack of knowledge about the lasting impact of injecting these ingredients into the body.
    https://www.facebook.com/RevolutionForChoice/videos/126991741041754/?pnref=story

    New Junk Science Study – No link between ‘too many vaccines’ and autism risk
    http://www.vacfacts.info/new-junk-science-study—no-link-between-too-many-vaccines-and-autism-risk.html

    The Rehash Of ONLY The Old Vaccine So Called Safety Studies – Presented As A Current And New Study
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-rehash-of-only-the-old-vaccine-so-called-safety-studies—presented-as-a-current-and-new-study.html

    For the readers.

    URGENT: Contact U.S. Legislators to STOP CDC Proposed Rule for Forced Detention, Isolation, Vaccination and Quarantine!
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/national-vaccine-information-center/urgent-contact-us-legislators-to-stop-cdc-proposed-rule-for-forced-detention-iso/10154414229537931

    Stop Joseph Kennedy’s H. R. 5272

    Religious exemptions from vaccine mandates in all states are under threat from legislation in Congress that would severely curtail Americans’ ability to exercise our First Amendment rights. House Resolution H. R. 5272, introduced by Rep. Joseph P. Kennedy (D-MA-4), seeks to limit The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, purportedly to prevent discrimination against one person by another person for religious reasons. But the bill is so broadly drawn that any exercise of religious belief that conflicts with any federal policy, whether based on law, regulation or executive order, could be considered discrimination and therefore illegal. Kennedy’s bill in effect repeals the idea that, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

    Next click on the Take Action link above and to the right to send a message to your member of the House of Representative and your two US Senators expressing your opposition to H. R. 5272. http://capwiz.com/a-champ/issues/alert/?alertid=73963626&queueid=%5Bcapwiz:queue_id%5D

    In what can only be a perverse pun, Kennedy named the bill the “Do No Harm Act” turning on its head the proscription to physicians associated with the Hippocratic oath to “First, do no harm” to patients under their care.

    Among other provisions, H. R. 5272 prohibits using religious reasons as a basis to deny “access to, information about, provision of or coverage for, any healthcare item.” There is no reason why this language could not be used to argue that a religious exemption is an illegal use of religious beliefs as a basis to deny a child a “healthcare item.”

    Kennedy’s bill would allow anyone who feels threatened, or even offended, by anyone else’s child (or an adult) foregoing a vaccine for a religious reason to claim the exemption is a form of discrimination. The bill states religious freedom “should not be interpreted to authorize an exemption from generally applicable law that imposes meaningful harm, including dignitary harm, on a third party. ” “Dignitary harm,” we believe this term os so vague that your First Amendment rights could take a backseat to some busybody getting in a snit.

    Forty-seven still states have religious exemptions. Rep. Kennedy’s bill may provide the grounds to challenge state exemption laws in federal courts as a form of religious discrimination.

    Kennedy’s bill has gathered 30 co-sponsors so far. No similar legislation has been introduced in the US Senate yet. You can read the bill here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/5272

  • What do you mean?

  • How many times do I have to tell you that those studies do NOT answer any of those 9 questions? Most people having done the independent vaccine research have been seeing and reading those kinds of studies, for years. You are doing nothing but throwing a false smoke screen at it.

    Just admit to it, that you actually have nothing to show scientific study evidence of, in regard to the safety of vaccines, and as i have outlined it for you. I have fully outlined it as to why that is the case. Each and every time you evade that information, and you ignore it and refuse it.

    Again. Do you need me to spoon feed you the list the questions, one at a time?

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Not much of a reader, are you?

  • How would you know? You can’t even read a study. All you can do is mumble your keywords (“false,” “sick,” “twisted,” “shill…”) and paste external content that you don’t understand.

  • That was the best you could do? Just admit it, and that it is clear that you personally could care less about the actual safety of vaccines; and that it is all only about maintaining your denial.

  • If I did not understand it, I would not be able to show directly your level of denial, and to the make the fool out of you that I have been repeatedly doing here, and as I continue to do. If you understand it so well and the existing studies, as to what they actually contain, then why have you yet been unable answer any of those questions, and/or much more respond to all 9 questions? Again, all you have to offer amounts to only more false excuses, more evasion, more deflection, and more distraction. Just face it.

  • You’re just flailing around because you’re frustrated that I’m not going to be distracted by personalities. Vaccine safety is about whether a vaccine is safe to administer, not about a letter from two particular people about a single study. Unsafe vaccines should not be licensed or administered, but the real evidence shows almost zero risk from any vaccine on modern immunization schedules. You might know this if you understood how to read a study and actually had an ounce of skepticism.

  • You live in a very interesting alternate reality, Lowell. It’s amazing how confident you are in yourself when you literally try to support your arguments with studies that contradict you. I’m not interested in your nine questions, because they’re a lot like you — dishonest.

  • The CDC is getting more and more desperate to gain total control of the forced vaccines situation. That is because they know their bullshit vaccine safety claims are crumbling more every day.

    URGENT: Contact U.S. Legislators to STOP CDC Proposed Rule for Forced Detention, Isolation, Vaccination and Quarantine!

    Your action is urgently needed this week to help stop an extremely threatening and overreaching proposed Centers for Disease Control (CDC) rule granting police powers to forcibly detain, isolate, vaccinate and quarantine citizens. This is very serious and we need you to contact your U.S. legislators and ask them to demand that the CDC withdraw this proposed rule. The Notice of Public Rulemaking (NPRM) is published in the Federal Register.

    To familiarize yourself with the important details of the CDC’s proposal, read (or watch a video) of this very important referenced commentary on this NPRM by Co-founder and President of NVIC Barbara Loe Fisher. We also published a press release that summarizes the problems with NPRM. NVIC has also published additional resources on government police powers.

    ACTION NEEDED:

    Read more:

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/national-vaccine-information-center/urgent-contact-us-legislators-to-stop-cdc-proposed-rule-for-forced-detention-iso/10154414229537931

    Bill in Congress threatens religious exemptions
    Take Action!

    Stop Joseph Kennedy’s H. R. 5272

    Religious exemptions from vaccine mandates in all states are under threat from legislation in Congress that would severely curtail Americans’ ability to exercise our First Amendment rights. House Resolution H. R. 5272, introduced by Rep. Joseph P. Kennedy (D-MA-4), seeks to limit The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, purportedly to prevent discrimination against one person by another person for religious reasons. But the bill is so broadly drawn that any exercise of religious belief that conflicts with any federal policy, whether based on law, regulation or executive order, could be considered discrimination and therefore illegal. Kennedy’s bill in effect repeals the idea that, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

    Next click on the Take Action link above and to the right to send a message to your member of the House of Representative and your two US Senators expressing your opposition to H. R. 5272. http://capwiz.com/a-champ/issues/alert/?alertid=73963626&queueid=

    In what can only be a perverse pun, Kennedy named the bill the “Do No Harm Act” turning on its head the proscription to physicians associated with the Hippocratic oath to “First, do no harm” to patients under their care.

    Among other provisions, H. R. 5272 prohibits using religious reasons as a basis to deny “access to, information about, provision of or coverage for, any healthcare item.” There is no reason why this language could not be used to argue that a religious exemption is an illegal use of religious beliefs as a basis to deny a child a “healthcare item.”

    Kennedy’s bill would allow anyone who feels threatened, or even offended, by anyone else’s child (or an adult) foregoing a vaccine for a religious reason to claim the exemption is a form of discrimination. The bill states religious freedom “should not be interpreted to authorize an exemption from generally applicable law that imposes meaningful harm, including dignitary harm, on a third party. ” “Dignitary harm,” we believe this term os so vague that your First Amendment rights could take a backseat to some busybody getting in a snit.

    Forty-seven still states have religious exemptions. Rep. Kennedy’s bill may provide the grounds to challenge state exemption laws in federal courts as a form of religious discrimination.

    Kennedy’s bill has gathered 30 co-sponsors so far. No similar legislation has been introduced in the US Senate yet. You can read the bill here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/5272

    Please share this message with friends and family and please share on social networks.

    Defending the Religious Exemption to Vaccination
    http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/June-2016/defending-religious-exemption-to-vaccination.aspx

    Biblical Reasons Not to Vaccinate, (Mary Tocco)
    http://childhoodshots.com/biblical-reasons-vaccinate/

    God Does Not Support Vaccines
    http://www.livingwhole.org/god-does-not-support-vaccines/

    INDESCRIBABLY DISGUSTING VACCINE INGREDIENTS

    SO WHAT ABOUT THE FLY IN OUR SOUP?

    It may not do any harm at all, especially if it has been well heated in the soup!

    However, all injected substances including insect fragments bypass the body’s intricate defense mechanism. The same substances which are harmless when ingested are shown to be extremely detrimental to health when injected. This is learned by medical students and others, but many doctors, health authorities and other vaccine promoters appear to ignore this basic fact.

    Read more:
    http://birthofanewearth.blogspot.com/2012/01/indescribably-disgusting-vaccine.html

    State Law & Vaccine Requirements
    http://www.nvic.org/vaccine-laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx

    We demand the following:

    1.That Congress subpoena Dr. William Thompson and investigate the CDC fraud.
    2.That Congress repeal the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and hold manufacturers liable for injury caused by their vaccines.
    3.That all vaccines be classified as pharmaceutical drugs and tested accordingly.
    4.That all vaccine mandates be abolished and that the integrity of an individual’s body and a parent’s right to oversee the health of their child be respected without compromise.

    Re: Alleged Research Misconduct – falsification by
    omission of material results in the publication of: “Age at
    First Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccination in Children With
    Autism and School-Matched Control Subjects: A PopulationBased
    Study in Metropolitan Atlanta. 2004;113:259-266 [The
    Paper; Exhibit 1]
    http://media.wix.com/ugd/b3aa2b_da6435ff9a2144d6aa3358fec58550af.pdf

    Callous Disregard-MMR Vaccine Research, (a long list of studies)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    Lawrence Palevsky, MD, discusses the contents of vaccines and the significant lack of knowledge about the lasting impact of injecting these ingredients into the body.
    https://www.facebook.com/RevolutionForChoice/videos/126991741041754/?pnref=story

  • What a load of lying that was. There are endless dozens of studies, and none of them contradict me. And so you are still going to continue to dance around the questions and the issues that I have put forth here. And again, instead you are simply going to attempt to continue to focus on creating more forms of deflecting evasion, and with simply and only more false claims, and in that it is all only about me.

    Again, lets see you come up with even one single explanation and/or example, and/or even a shred of evidence that the said 9 questions are somehow dishonest? What is dishonest about them?

  • Again, quite obviously and clearly the only person flailing around here is you. Vaccine safety is about real and needed studies; to include as well the independent studies. Vaccine safety is as well about actual observance of the safety outcome of vaccines, within the population. All you have is more promotion of the fraud, and continued promotion of the fraud. That and an obviously inadequate level of vaccine safety studies. You have ignored repeated evidence that vaccines are not safe, and some more than others. You refuse it and you ignore it.

    The balance of the information shows that vaccines are not only highly unsafe, but that as well a moratorium should be put in place until the fraud and the corruption can be directly exposed and corrected. Not only that, but until vaccines are proven as safe, one by one, and as well when combined. Vaccines are obviously NOT ZERO risk. But coming from a person (you) who as well thinks that even Gardasil is still proven to be safe and effective; your claims and opinions are clearly not worth anything at all.

  • Jesus baby

    You don’t think his retracted paper was about the MMR vaccine though?

  • Jesus baby

    So Lowell, you think we should encourage pandemics in the U.S. and you still don’t get that the whole CDC “whistleblower” thing was nonsense.

  • The balance of the information shows that vaccines are not only highly unsafe

    Don’t ever change, you goofy treasure.

  • That’s the sad part. You’re so stupid that you can’t even recognize when you’re citing a study that contradicts you. You simply say “NO, IT DOESN’T!” and move on.

  • A study that contradicts you. So prove it? Provide evidence of it. You talk your garbage, but never show evidence of anything but your own evasion and deflection from the real issues, and the large amount of not only study evidence that show us what is really happening with vaccines, but as well the evidence of the vaccine harm done within the population. You insist on remaining in denial, and you continue to refuse to face it all.

    And you can end the false personal insults, as obviously I have more than shown the evidence for your own deliberate, stupidity. But of course you have nothing left to respond with.

  • Why would I change it, put in the proper context there is nothing wrong with it, and it states exactly what it should state. So now you are making it into some intended grammar contest; pathetic. It is just the same old, same old forms of deflection from you shills each and every time. What is next, the usual spelling contest?

    The balance of the information shows that vaccines are not only highly unsafe, but that as well a moratorium should be put in place on vaccines until the existing fraud and the corruption can be directly exposed and corrected.

  • How about your J. B. Adams study which specifically contradicts your assertion that vaccines are the only source of heavy metals in the body?

  • You can assert that you’re right as many times as you want, but fortunately the rest of the world is not as gullible and delusional as you. The rest of the world can understand how to flip an image horizontally. The rest of the world understands why you should wash your hands after using the toilet. The rest of the world understands that HIV causes AIDS. The rest of the world understands that vaccines are very safe and prevent the spread of disease.

  • There will be no pandemics that big pharma doesn’t create, and that the CDC, WHO, and perhaps even the gov’t, do not collaborate in. H1N1, Zika, swine flu; it is all bogus.

    And if you can show evidence of that claimed nonsense, then dissect the information in the link to the information above as that study, and in regard to William Thompson’s statements and as to the information contained in that pdf that I posted. You are all just in denial ignorant talk, and with no actual and real supporting evidence.

  • You are doing again nothing but conducting the same repeated, bullshitter’s bullshit. First of all any honest reader here can see the evidence that it is only you that is gullible and seriously delusional. Then you continue to argue the same idiotic and and irrelevant BS from four articles ago, and that which you know that no new reader on this article has any knowledge of. The rest of world that you consider as the whole world, is a warped delusion in your mind. The reality of it all is that the whole world is not supporting your continued ignorance. You want to argue and claim to that the whole world contains mislead sheeple that are just like you. Quite obviously such is not the case.

  • Ah. I guess that’s why the rest of the world accepts the demonstrated facts of germ and cell theory and the benefits and safety of vaccination.

  • Jesus baby

    If someone with Ebola in the U.S. doesn’t want to be isolated what’s your recommendation?

  • And here again you want to re-argue something from what, four articles ago. Hoping that the readers lack of knowledge will give you the advantage in not knowing what the study information was about. That is again the sign of a really desperate poster, that simply can not address or argue the issues which have been posted on this article.

    No it does not contradict my assertion and it never did. And no one said that vaccines were the only source of aluminum and heavy metals. Even if they do not have access to vaccines for heavy metal testing, it looks very suspicious, as no other source has any such large exposure. Where do you think the load of heavy metals came from that were found in those children with autism? At the very least quite clearly vaccines do deplete glutathione levels in the body, and that makes for an inability to detox and eliminate heavy metals, regardless of the origin. Some children may have already had less than adequate levels of glutathione, and the load of injected vaccines only make that situation worse.

    What about the other studies you refused to address, limiting it to only one study? What about those studies and the information that went with it. This is actually only a small sample of the studies and the information that exists. And you can do nothing with that, and with the actually small amount of knowledge you have, so called, Ken S.

    N Am J Med Sci. 2009 July; 1(2): 28–47.
    What is regressive autism and why does it occur? Is it the consequence of multi-systemic dysfunction affecting the elimination of heavy metals and the ability to regulate neural temperature?
    Graham E. Ewing

    Abstract
    There is a compelling argument that the occurrence of regressive autism is attributable to genetic and chromosomal abnormalities, arising from the overuse of vaccines, which subsequently affects the stability and function of the autonomic nervous system and physiological systems. That sense perception is linked to the autonomic nervous system and the function of the physiological systems enables us to examine the significance of autistic symptoms from a systemic perspective. Failure of the excretory system influences elimination of heavy metals and facilitates their accumulation and subsequent manifestation as neurotoxins: the long-term consequences of which would lead to neurodegeneration, cognitive and developmental problems. It may also influence regulation of neural hyperthermia. This article explores the issues and concludes that sensory dysfunction and systemic failure, manifested as autism, is the inevitable consequence arising from subtle DNA alteration and consequently from the overuse of vaccines.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/ (Full study)

    Evidence of oxidative damage and inflammation associated with low glutathione redox status in the autism brain
    S Rose1, S Melnyk1, O Pavliv1, S Bai1, T G Nick1, R E Frye1 and S J James1
    1Department of Pediatrics, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, Arkansas Children’s Hospital Research Institute, Little Rock, AR, USA
    Accepted 31 May 2012

    Abstract
    Despite increasing evidence of oxidative stress in the pathophysiology of autism, most studies have not evaluated biomarkers within specific brain regions, and the functional consequences of oxidative stress remain relatively understudied. We examined frozen samples from the cerebellum and temporal cortex (Brodmann area 22 (BA22)) from individuals with autism and unaffected controls (n=15 and n=12 per group, respectively). Biomarkers of oxidative stress, including reduced glutathione (GSH), oxidized glutathione (GSSG) and glutathione redox/antioxidant capacity (GSH/GSSG), were measured. Biomarkers of oxidative protein damage (3-nitrotyrosine; 3-NT) and oxidative DNA damage (8-oxo-deoxyguanosine; 8-oxo-dG) were also assessed. Functional indicators of oxidative stress included relative levels of 3-chlorotyrosine (3-CT), an established biomarker of a chronic inflammatory response, and aconitase activity, a biomarker of mitochondrial superoxide production. Consistent with previous studies on plasma and immune cells, GSH and GSH/GSSG were significantly decreased in both autism cerebellum (P<0.01) and BA22 (P<0.01). There was a significant increase in 3-NT in the autism cerebellum and BA22 (P<0.01). Similarly, 8-oxo-dG was significantly increased in autism cerebellum and BA22 (P<0.01 and P=0.01, respectively), and was inversely correlated with GSH/GSSG in the cerebellum (P<0.01). There was a significant increase in 3-CT levels in both brain regions (P<0.01), whereas aconitase activity was significantly decreased in autism cerebellum (P<0.01), and was negatively correlated with GSH/GSSG (P=0.01). Together, these results indicate that decreased GSH/GSSG redox/antioxidant capacity and increased oxidative stress in the autism brain may have functional consequence in terms of a chronic inflammatory response, increased mitochondrial superoxide production, and oxidative protein and DNA damage.

    http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v2/n7/full/tp201261a.html

    Here is the said and so called Adams study.

    Biol Trace Elem Res. 2013 Feb;151(2):171-80. doi: 10.1007/s12011-012-9551-1. Epub 2012 Nov 29.
    Toxicological status of children with autism vs. neurotypical children and the association with autism severity.
    Adams JB, Audhya T, McDonough-Means S, Rubin RA, Quig D, Geis E, Gehn E, Loresto M, Mitchell J, Atwood S, Barnhouse S, Lee W.

    Abstract
    This study investigates both the level of toxic metals in children with autism and the possible association of those toxic metals with autism severity. This study involved 55 children with autism ages 5-16 years compared to 44 controls with similar age and gender. The study included measurements of toxic metals in whole blood, red blood cells (RBC), and urine. The autism group had higher levels of lead in RBC (+41 %, p = 0.002) and higher urinary levels of lead (+74 %, p = 0.02), thallium (+77 %, p = 0.0001), tin (+115 %, p = 0.01), and tungsten (+44 %, p = 0.00005). However, the autism group had slightly lower levels of cadmium in whole blood (-19 %, p = 0.003). A stepwise, multiple linear regression analysis found a strong association of levels of toxic metals with variation in the degree of severity of autism for all the severity scales (adjusted R(2) of 0.38-0.47, p < 0.0003). Cadmium (whole blood) and mercury (whole blood and RBC) were the most consistently significant variables. Overall, children with autism have higher average levels of several toxic metals, and levels of several toxic metals are strongly associated with variations in the severity of autism for all three of the autism severity scales investigated.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23192845

    Surg Neurol Int. 2011;
    Published online 2011 July 30.
    Immunoexcitotoxicity as a central mechanism in chronic traumatic encephalopathy—A unifying hypothesis

    Russell L. Blaylock* and Joseph Maroon1

    Abstract
    Some individuals suffering from mild traumatic brain injuries, especially repetitive mild concussions, are thought to develop a slowly progressive encephalopathy characterized by a number of the neuropathological elements shared with various neurodegenerative diseases. A central pathological mechanism explaining the development of progressive neurodegeneration in this subset of individuals has not been elucidated. Yet, a large number of studies indicate that a process called immunoexcitotoxicity may be playing a central role in many neurodegenerative diseases including chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). The term immunoexcitotoxicity was first coined by the lead author to explain the evolving pathological and neurodevelopmental changes in autism and the Gulf War Syndrome, but it can be applied to a number of neurodegenerative disorders. The interaction between immune receptors within the central nervous system (CNS) and excitatory glutamate receptors trigger a series of events, such as extensive reactive oxygen species/reactive nitrogen species generation, accumulation of lipid peroxidation products, and prostaglandin activation, which then leads to dendritic retraction, synaptic injury, damage to microtubules, and mitochondrial suppression. In this paper, we discuss the mechanism of immunoexcitotoxicity and its link to each of the pathophysiological and neurochemical events previously described with CTE, with special emphasis on the observed accumulation of hyperphosphorylated tau.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3157093/

    Autism Spectrum Disorders and Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants
    Lucija Tomljenovic, Russell L. Blaylock, Christopher A. Shaw

    Abstract
    Impaired brain function, excessive inflammation, and autoimmune manifestations are common in autism. Aluminum (Al), the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant, is a demonstrated neurotoxin and a strong immune stimulator. Hence, adjuvant Al has the necessary properties to induce neuroimmune disorders. Because peripheral immune stimuli in the postnatal period can compromise brain development and cause permanent neurological impairments, the possibility that such outcomes could also occur with administration of Al vaccine adjuvants needs to be considered. In regard to the risk of adjuvant toxicity in children, the following should be noted: (i) children should not be viewed as “small adults” as their unique physiology makes them more vulnerable to toxic insults; (ii) in adult humans Al adjuvants can cause a variety of serious autoimmune and inflammatory conditions including those affecting the brain, yet children are routinely exposed to much higher amounts of Al from vaccines than adults; (iii) compelling evidence has underscored the tight connection between the development of the immune system and that of the brain. Thus, it appears plausible that disruptions of critical events in immune development may also play a role in the establishment of neurobehavioral disorders; (iv) the same immune system components that play key roles in brain development appear to be targeted for impairment by Al adjuvants. In summary, research data suggests that vaccines containing Al may be a contributing etiological factor in the increasing incidence of autism.

    http://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4614-4788-7_89

    Acetaminophen as well reduces glutathione levels, in addition to that caused by vaccines, in the depletion of glutathione. The more vaccines given, the worse it gets. If you have a child that is having a serious reaction to vaccines, the last thing you should ever give them is Tylenol.

    Study: Evidence that Acetaminophen, Especially in Conjunction with Vaccines, is a Major Cause of Autism and Asthma
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/study-evidence-that-acetaminophen-especially-in-conjunction-with-vaccines-is-a-major-cause-of-autism-and-asthma/

    Evidence that Increased Acetaminophen use in Genetically Vulnerable Children Appears to be a Major Cause of the Epidemics of Autism, Attention Deficit with Hyperactivity, and Asthma
    http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/home/eng/Acetaminophen.asp

    Journal of Neuroinflammation
    The NALP3 inflammasome is involved in neurotoxic prion peptide-induced microglial activation

    Results
    We found that that PrP106-126-induced IL-1β release depends on NALP3 inflammasome activation, that inflammasome activation is required for the synthesis of pro-inflammatory and chemotactic factors by PrP106-126-activated microglia, that inhibition of NF-κB activation abrogated PrP106-126-induced NALP3 upregulation, and that potassium efflux and production of reactive oxygen species were implicated in PrP106-126-induced NALP3 inflammasome activation in microglia.

    Conclusions
    We conclude that the NALP3 inflammasome is involved in neurotoxic prion peptide-induced microglial activation. To our knowledge, this is the first time that strong evidence for the involvement of NALP3 inflammasome in prion-associated inflammation has been found.

    Read more:
    http://jneuroinflammation.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-2094-9-73

    Nanomolar aluminum induces pro-inflammatory and pro-apoptotic gene expression in human brain cells in primary culture
    Walter J. Lukiw a,*, Maire E. Percy b, Theo P. Kruck b

    Excerpt:

    The promoters of genes up-regulated by aluminum are enriched in binding sites for the stress-inducible transcription factors HIF-1 and NF-kappaB, suggesting a role for aluminum, HIF-1 and NF-kappaB in driving atypical, pro-inflammatory and pro-apoptotic gene expression. The effect of aluminum on specific stress-related gene expression patterns in human brain cells clearly warrant further investigation.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013405001182

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15961160

    BRAIN’S IMMUNE SYSTEM TRIGGERED IN AUTISM
    http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2004/11_15a_04.html

    Ann Neurol. 2005 Jan;57(1):67-81.
    Neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
    Vargas DL, Nascimbene C, Krishnan C, Zimmerman AW, Pardo CA.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15546155

    Neuro-inflammation, blood-brain barrier, seizures and autism
    http://jneuroinflammation.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-2094-8-168

    Autism Spectrum Disorders and Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants
    Lucija Tomljenovic, Russell L. Blaylock, Christopher A. Shaw

    Abstract
    Impaired brain function, excessive inflammation, and autoimmune manifestations are common in autism. Aluminum (Al), the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant, is a demonstrated neurotoxin and a strong immune stimulator. Hence, adjuvant Al has the necessary properties to induce neuroimmune disorders. Because peripheral immune stimuli in the postnatal period can compromise brain development and cause permanent neurological impairments, the possibility that such outcomes could also occur with administration of Al vaccine adjuvants needs to be considered. In regard to the risk of adjuvant toxicity in children, the following should be noted: (i) children should not be viewed as “small adults” as their unique physiology makes them more vulnerable to toxic insults; (ii) in adult humans Al adjuvants can cause a variety of serious autoimmune and inflammatory conditions including those affecting the brain, yet children are routinely exposed to much higher amounts of Al from vaccines than adults; (iii) compelling evidence has underscored the tight connection between the development of the immune system and that of the brain. Thus, it appears plausible that disruptions of critical events in immune development may also play a role in the establishment of neurobehavioral disorders; (iv) the same immune system components that play key roles in brain development appear to be targeted for impairment by Al adjuvants. In summary, research data suggests that vaccines containing Al may be a contributing etiological factor in the increasing incidence of autism.

    http://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4614-4788-7_89

    And what do multiple vaccines combined with aluminum adjuvants do? They over-activate the brains microglia cells and with resulting long term levels of brain inflammation. The studies and the data are all there on the page that I gave you

    Journal of American Nutraceutical Association 6: 21-35, 2003.
    Interaction of Cytokines, Excitotoxins, and Reactive Nitrogen and Oxygen Species in Autism Spectrum Disorders, Russell Blaylock, MD* Medical Director, Advanced Nutritional Concepts Ridgeland, Mississippi

    ABSTRACT

    There is growing and compelling evidence that excessive peripheral as well as central immune activation of brain microglia can result in alterations in brain growth and connectivity during rapid brain growth, the so-called "brain growth spurt." A considerable amount of evidence, presented in this paper, demonstrates the deleterious effects of immune factors, such as cytokines, chemokines, and excitotoxins, when present in excess. The interaction between excitotoxicity, ROS and RNS injury and immune dysfunction is discussed. It is concluded that excessive activation of the brain's immune system during critical growth periods can occur when vaccines are given as combination vaccines, using schedules that are too close together or by the use of certain live viruses in the vaccines.

    http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=1084

    Front Neurol. 2015; 6: 4.
    Published online 2015 Feb 5. doi: 10.3389/fneur.2015.00004
    PMCID: PMC4318414
    Biopersistence and Brain Translocation of Aluminum Adjuvants of Vaccines

    Abstract
    Aluminum oxyhydroxide (alum) is a crystalline compound widely used as an immunological adjuvant of vaccines. Concerns linked to the use of alum particles emerged following recognition of their causative role in the so-called macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF) lesion detected in patients with myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue/syndrome. MMF revealed an unexpectedly long-lasting biopersistence of alum within immune cells in presumably susceptible individuals, stressing the previous fundamental misconception of its biodisposition. We previously showed that poorly biodegradable aluminum-coated particles injected into muscle are promptly phagocytosed in muscle and the draining lymph nodes, and can disseminate within phagocytic cells throughout the body and slowly accumulate in brain. This strongly suggests that long-term adjuvant biopersistence within phagocytic cells is a prerequisite for slow brain translocation and delayed neurotoxicity. The understanding of basic mechanisms of particle biopersistence and brain translocation represents a major health challenge, since it could help to define susceptibility factors to develop chronic neurotoxic damage. Biopersistence of alum may be linked to its lysosome-destabilizing effect, which is likely due to direct crystal-induced rupture of phagolysosomal membranes. Macrophages that continuously perceive foreign particles in their cytosol will likely reiterate, with variable interindividual efficiency, a dedicated form of autophagy (xenophagy) until they dispose of alien materials. Successful compartmentalization of particles within double membrane autophagosomes and subsequent fusion with repaired and re-acidified lysosomes will expose alum to lysosomal acidic pH, the sole factor that can solubilize alum particles. Brain translocation of alum particles is linked to a Trojan horse mechanism previously described for infectious particles (HIV, HCV), that obeys to CCL2, signaling the major inflammatory monocyte chemoattractant.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318414/

    Research Article
    The Severity of Autism Is Associated with Toxic Metal Body Burden and Red Blood Cell Glutathione Levels

    Brain translocation of alum particles is linked to a Trojan horse mechanism previously described for infectious particles (HIV, HCV), that obeys to CCL2, signaling the major inflammatory monocyte chemoattractant.

    Read more:
    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/ (full study)

    J Expo Sci Environ Epidemiol. 2010 Nov;20(7):598-601.
    Infants' exposure to aluminum from vaccines and breast milk during the first 6 months.

    Pragmatic vaccine safety needs to embrace conventional toxicology, addressing especial characteristics of unborn fetuses, neonates and infants exposed to low levels of aluminum, and ethylmercury traditionally considered innocuous to the central nervous system.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20010978

    There will be a part 2 to this.

  • Continued (part two)

    10 Signs of Vaccine Reaction and Damage

    #1 High-Pitched Crying or Arching Back

    High-pitched crying and discomfort, such as arching the back when laid down, is a clear indication of encephalitis, brain inflammation, which is a common vaccine reaction. Large amounts of bacteria, viruses, and toxins create a hyper- immuneresponse, prompting severe, sometimes deadly, inflammation in the brain.

    If your child will not sleep, is uncomfortable, and crying incessantly post vaccination (up to 21 plus days), take them to the emergency room immediately.

    #2 Severe Swelling at Site

    Severe inflammation at the injection site can be a sign of an allergic reaction or other hyper- immune reaction. Review the vaccine insert (before vaccinating) and try to outline what allergy (peanut, milk, egg) may have been created. If your doctor cannot explain what reaction occurred, then you should consider not vaccinating to prevent any further damage.

    Read the vaccine insert before vaccinating, and be sure the doctor is using the correct method of injection. Injecting in the incorrect method can deliver a serious reaction.

    10 Signs of Vaccine Reaction and Damage

    #1 High-Pitched Crying or Arching Back

    High-pitched crying and discomfort, such as arching the back when laid down, is a clear indication of encephalitis, brain inflammation, which is a common vaccine reaction. Large amounts of bacteria, viruses, and toxins create a hyper- immuneresponse, prompting severe, sometimes deadly, inflammation in the brain.

    If your child will not sleep, is uncomfortable, and crying incessantly post vaccination (up to 21 plus days), take them to the emergency room immediately.

    #2 Severe Swelling at Site

    #3 High Fever and/or Febrile Seizures

    #4 Rash

    #5 Eczema, Allergies and Asthma

    #6 Anaphylaxis and Slowed Breathing Patterns

    #7 Loss of Facial and Eye Symmetry and Itching/Numbness in Extremities

    When your immune system responds to a threat, it produces more white blood cells. Your white blood cells are substantially larger than your red, and this becomes an issue when your immune system is kicked into overdrive and delivers large quantities of white blood cells to your smallest blood vessels, your capillaries. Your capillaries are so small that white blood vessels have to squeeze through one by one.

    The smallest of these vessels are located in your hands, feet, nose and brain, particularly by the area which controls speech. When too many white blood cells are released, they cannot squeeze through and the blood and oxygen supply is limited for a period of time, and if severe enough, forever. This causes stroke in the brain, and can be seen by loss of facial asymmetry (one side of the face looks different than the other) and loss of tone around the eyes, cheeks, and mouth.

    Read more:
    http://my.personalmedicare.com/10-signs-of-a-vaccine-reaction-and-damage/

    A Parent’s Primer: Vasculitis and Vaccines, (more inflammation problems, likely due to the aluminum adjuvants, this time its in the blood vessels)
    http://sanevax.org/a-parents-primer-vasculitis-and-vaccines/

    Here, you want evidence that vaccines do far more harm than good, read this extensive article, with 371 references. Same thing that Dr Russell Blaylock puts forth in regard to vaccine caused brain inflammation,

    Neurological and Immune Reactive Conditions Affecting Kids

    Brain inflammation has been found to be a major factor in autism, and in the sometimes related metabolic syndrome. Causes of oxidative stress and lipid peroxidative-related brain inflammation that have been documented include vaccines, mercury, aluminum, excitotoxins, such as MSG, aspartame, food additives, and overconsumption of high-fructose corn sweetener. These cause high glutamate levels in the brain and oxidative damage, resulting in inflammation of the brain and immune system, as well as damage to brain microglia cells and the mitochondrial DNA, high triglycerides, metabolic syndrome, etc. These have been found to be factors in most chronic neurological diseases including autism and diabetes.

    Read more:
    http://amalgam.org/373-2/

    Lesson 2—Explore/Explain
    Neurons, Brain Chemistry, and Neurotransmission
    The Brain Is Made Up of Nerve Cells and Glial Cells
    https://science.education.nih.gov/supplements/nih2/addiction/guide/lesson2-1.html

    Expert Rev Clin Immunol. 2013 Apr;9(4):361-73. doi: 10.1586/eci.13.2.
    Autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants (Shoenfeld’s syndrome): clinical and immunological spectrum.
    Vera-Lastra O, Medina G, Cruz-Dominguez Mdel P, Jara LJ, Shoenfeld Y.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23557271

    Curr Med Chem. 2013;20(32):4030-6.
    Autoimmune (auto-inflammatory) syndrome induced by adjuvants (ASIA)–animal models as a proof of concept.
    Cruz-Tapias P, Agmon-Levin N, Israeli E, Anaya JM, Shoenfeld Y.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23992328

    Reumatismo. 2011;63(2):63-6.
    ‘ASIA’ – Autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants: even and odd.
    Perricone C, Alessandri C, Valesini G.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21776441

    Evidence of oxidative damage and inflammation associated with low glutathione redox status in the autism brain

    Together, these results indicate that decreased GSH/GSSG redox/antioxidant capacity and increased oxidative stress in the autism brain may have functional consequence in terms of a chronic inflammatory response, increased mitochondrial superoxide production, and oxidative protein and DNA damage.

    Read more:
    http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v2/n7/full/tp201261a.html

    Neuro-inflammation, blood-brain barrier, seizures and autism
    Theoharis C Theoharides1234* and Bodi Zhang12

    Abstract
    Many children with Autism Spectrum Diseases (ASD) present with seizure activity, but the pathogenesis is not understood. Recent evidence indicates that neuro-inflammation could contribute to seizures. We hypothesize that brain mast cell activation due to allergic, environmental and/or stress triggers could lead to focal disruption of the blood-brain barrier and neuro-inflammation, thus contributing to the development of seizures. Treating neuro-inflammation may be useful when anti-seizure medications are ineffective.

    http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/8/1/168

    And where does that inflammation come from? It comes from aluminum adjuvants and the cytokine reactivity of the immune system after receiving vaccines, and more-so after getting multiple vaccines.

    Microglia in the developing brain: A potential target with lifetime effects
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0161813X12000277

    Eur J Neurosci. 2004 Jul;20(2):467-73.
    Complete Freunds adjuvant-induced peripheral inflammation evokes glial activation and proinflammatory cytokine expression in the CNS.

    These findings further support a unifying theory that glial activation and enhanced cytokine expression at the CNS have a role in eliciting behavioral hypersensitivity.

    Read more:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15233755

    Vaccines and Brain Inflammation, Harold Buttram, MD , and Catherine Frompovich
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/06/01/vaccines-and-brain-inflammation/

    Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity

    Conclusions/Significance

    Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host’s immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system’s self-organized criticality.

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0008382 (Full study)

    Aluminum Adjuvants – Lack of Safety Data – Lack of Aluminum Adjuvant Safety Studies, (there are zero actually existing vaccine safety studies on aluminum adjuvants)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/aluminum-vaccine-adjuvants.html

    3 IMPORTANT REASONS WHY ALUMINUM SHOULD NOT BE PUT INTO VACCINES, (all of this is backed by multiple source studies)

    No Safety Assessments (Toxicity Studies) For Vaccine Ingredients

    Aluminum Is An Experimentally Demonstrated Neurotoxin

    The Body Reacts Differently To Aluminum Adjuvants In Vaccines Than To Aluminum Absorbed Into The Body From Food, Water, Medicine, etc…

    Read more:
    http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/09/19/3-important-reasons-why-aluminum-should-not-be-put-into-vaccines/

    Infant Immunity Part II: Aluminum, vaccines, and fetal brain development, with Dr. Suzanne Humphries
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdSCY7W-BUo

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism, (more studies)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    More Aluminum Adjuvant Harm Done Studies
    http://www.vacfacts.info/more-aluminum-adjuvant-harm-done-studies.html

    Zeta Potential
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_potential

    Using “Zeta Potential” as a Healing Tool
    http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/mcdaniel.htm

    — You Must Avoid Aluminum —

    In Your Water, Your Food, and in things you put “In” and “On” Your Body !

    Aluminum is used to treat waste water. It is added to waste water to cause materials to come out of solution and settle to the bottom of the tank.

    The same thing can happen inside your body. 3–4 parts per million* of Aluminum in our blood Will Cause materials to come out of the blood plasma solution forming plaque on blood vessel walls. It also causes blood cells to clump together, thereby blocking blood flow to organs — causing strokes, heart attacks and other problems!

    [ * About 27 milligrams of elemental aluminum in our body’s 7 liters of blood will cause coagulation. ]

    The reason this happens, is because Aluminum has a strong effect on Zeta Potential.

    Aluminum is used in many Vaccinations as a stabilizer, and is known to cause learning disabilities. It can also STOP CELL DIVISION during the “S Phase”.

    Aluminum is Especially Harmful to Children! (And they are injecting multiple vaccines with aluminum adjuvants).

    4 ppm of aluminum in human blood can cause it to colagulate.

    Aluminum in humans is documented to inhibit learning.

    http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/mcdaniel.htm

    Zeta Potential is a measure of the electrical force that exists between atoms, molecules, particles, suspensoids, cells, etc., in a fluid.

    Understanding Colloidal Suspensions – Help from Frank Hartman & Thomas Riddick

    SOME EFFECTS OF REDUCED CARRYING CAPACITY

    Aluminum toxicity is a widespread problem in all forms of life, including humans, animals, fish, plants and trees, and causes widespread degradation of the environment and health. Over 7000 reference articles on aluminum toxicity exist in various data bases; ( as of 1996 ) all recognizing the toxicity but concluding the mechanism of action is unknown. — [ Search the results – scirus.com ]

    Despite the number of references to aluminum toxicity, the FDA has always exempted it from testing from testing by putting it on their “Generally Regarded as Safe” ( GRAS ) list. Aluminum can be added to foods, medicines or water without restriction from the FDA.

    [ Aluminum is known to stop cell division during the “S Phase”, at levels less than 4 ppm. ]

    The mechanism of action of aluminum toxicity is aluminum’s effect on carrying capacity or Zeta Potential. Aluminum is relatively non-toxic in and of itself. However, it destroys the carrying capacity of a liquid.

    Aluminum has three ( 3 ) positive ions, so a single ion of aluminum will reduce surface charge, reduce carrying capacity and increase surface tension by 6,000 times the amount that an ion of Sodium, which has one ( 1 ) positive charge, would.

    Read more:
    http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/info/colloid.htm#Altox

    The Chemistry of Aluminum toxicity, side effects

    As I understand the literature, most aluminum is eliminated renally, bound to albumin or transferrin. If this system is fully utilized, the excess aluminum is sequestered in various organ systems, the brain being one, with highest concentrations in the limbic system. As aluminum levels are not often called for, many primary care physicians might not know to use a mobilizing agent prior to checking the blood level, and miss the presence of the metal altogether. (I know of such a case).

    Generally, findings from an aluminum level blood test are unreliable, as most of the body’s stores are bound in bone and tissue and are not reflected in the serum value. A deferoxamine infusion test can be performed but may take more than 48 hours to yield a result (see Medical Care). Deferoxamine liberates aluminum from tissues by chelating it and leads to an increased serum level compared to one taken prior to infusion. The combination of a baseline immunoreactive parathyroid hormone level of less than 200 mEq/mL and a change in serum aluminum value of 200 ng/mL after deferoxamine is 90% specific and has a positive predictive value of 85% for aluminum toxicity. From WEBMD Michael R. Edwards M.D. Bebe Medical Center. Further complicating the issue, regarding aluminum (aluminium, for any Brits reading this) the FDA has never tested this element for safety!

    From: History of crime against the Food Laws (1929) by Dr. Riley, the prime mover behind the original Pure Food Law and Director of the FDA. He resigned in disgust in 1912 over exceptions granted to the law and lack of enforcement.

    Aluminum has been exempted from testing for safety by the FDA under a convoluted logic wherein it is classified as GRAS. (Generally Regarded As Safe.) It has never been tested by the FDA on its safety and there are NO restrictions whatever on the amount or use of aluminum. Diseases Associated with Aluminium Intoxication. H. Tomlinson, M.B., Ch.B., MRCS., LRCP. Since that time thousands of studies have been published indicating aluminum is involved in neurological dysfunction, immunocompetence, as well as a host of other morbidities. I cannot begin to reference them all. Sepsis: a cause of aluminum release from tissue stores associated with acute neurological dysfunction and mortality. Davenport A. – Williams P.S. – Roberts N.B. – Bone J.M. From: Clin Nephrol (1988 Jul) 30(1):48-51.

    We report six cases of patients with renal failure and exposure to aluminum who developed septicemia. In all cases the serum aluminum increased markedly. This may have contributed to the neurological dysfunction seen in five, and the deaths of four of the patients. We suggest that the rise in serum aluminum was due to the release of tissue-bound aluminum, resulting in an increase in free, diffusable aluminum and that this jeopardized both neurological function and immunocompetence.

    http://www.raysahelian.com/aluminum.html

    Same thing as Dr Andrew Moulden put forth.

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

  • I think that a significant part of the world can clearly see the truth about vaccines right here on vactruth.

    A lie does not become truth, wrong does not become right, and evil does not become good, just because it is accepted by a majority.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/4e/99/fb/4e99fb4239ba00963760d315cec127c4.jpg

    The Truth Is The Truth (even if no one believes it)
    A Lie is a Lie (even if everyone believes it)

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RSogprWqxIM/VTD65RPCHkI/AAAAAAAAkMk/oSJPGJq1-C8/s1600/Building%2BTrust%2BWith%2BThe%2BBoss%2BExperience%2B3%2Btruth%2Bis%2Btruth%2Beven%2Bif%2Bno%2Bone%2Bbelieves%2Bit,%2Ba%2Blie%2Bis%2Ba%2Blie%2Beven%2Bif%2Beveryone%2Bbelieves%2Bit.jpg

  • So you simply ignored my reply because you can’t answer it. Cute!

  • That is an irrelevant question because the issue is obviously much larger than Ebola, and as you can see as to what the CDC is proposing. The legal ability to isolate a person with confirmed Ebola, as well already exists. Did you have any past or current cases of Ebola in the US, that you can point out?

  • Jesus baby

    So you don’t know we had Ebola cases in the U.S.?

  • Answer my question. Don’t answer a question, with a question.

  • No I did not, it is in (part one), and it went up as published here, but now it is missing? Here it is again.

    And here again you want to re-argue something from what, four articles ago. Hoping that the readers lack of knowledge will give you the advantage in not knowing what the study information was about. That is again the sign of a really desperate poster, that simply can not address or argue the issues which have been posted on this article.

    No it does not contradict my assertion and it never did. And no one said that vaccines were the only source of aluminum and heavy metals. Even if they do not have access to vaccines for heavy metal testing, it looks very suspicious, as no other source has any such large exposure. Where do you think the load of heavy metals came from that were found in those children with autism? At the very least quite clearly vaccines do deplete glutathione levels in the body, and that makes for an inability to detox and eliminate heavy metals, regardless of the origin. Some children may have already had less than adequate levels of glutathione, and the load of injected vaccines only make that situation worse.

    What about the other studies you refused to address, limiting it to only one study? What about those studies and the information that went with it. This is actually only a small sample of the studies and the information that exists. And you can do nothing with that, and with the actually small amount of knowledge you have, so called, Ken S.

    N Am J Med Sci. 2009 July; 1(2): 28–47.
    What is regressive autism and why does it occur? Is it the consequence of multi-systemic dysfunction affecting the elimination of heavy metals and the ability to regulate neural temperature?
    Graham E. Ewing

    Abstract
    There is a compelling argument that the occurrence of regressive autism is attributable to genetic and chromosomal abnormalities, arising from the overuse of vaccines, which subsequently affects the stability and function of the autonomic nervous system and physiological systems. That sense perception is linked to the autonomic nervous system and the function of the physiological systems enables us to examine the significance of autistic symptoms from a systemic perspective. Failure of the excretory system influences elimination of heavy metals and facilitates their accumulation and subsequent manifestation as neurotoxins: the long-term consequences of which would lead to neurodegeneration, cognitive and developmental problems. It may also influence regulation of neural hyperthermia. This article explores the issues and concludes that sensory dysfunction and systemic failure, manifested as autism, is the inevitable consequence arising from subtle DNA alteration and consequently from the overuse of vaccines.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/ (Full study)

    Evidence of oxidative damage and inflammation associated with low glutathione redox status in the autism brain
    S Rose1, S Melnyk1, O Pavliv1, S Bai1, T G Nick1, R E Frye1 and S J James1
    1Department of Pediatrics, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, Arkansas Children’s Hospital Research Institute, Little Rock, AR, USA
    Accepted 31 May 2012

    Abstract
    Despite increasing evidence of oxidative stress in the pathophysiology of autism, most studies have not evaluated biomarkers within specific brain regions, and the functional consequences of oxidative stress remain relatively understudied. We examined frozen samples from the cerebellum and temporal cortex (Brodmann area 22 (BA22)) from individuals with autism and unaffected controls (n=15 and n=12 per group, respectively). Biomarkers of oxidative stress, including reduced glutathione (GSH), oxidized glutathione (GSSG) and glutathione redox/antioxidant capacity (GSH/GSSG), were measured. Biomarkers of oxidative protein damage (3-nitrotyrosine; 3-NT) and oxidative DNA damage (8-oxo-deoxyguanosine; 8-oxo-dG) were also assessed. Functional indicators of oxidative stress included relative levels of 3-chlorotyrosine (3-CT), an established biomarker of a chronic inflammatory response, and aconitase activity, a biomarker of mitochondrial superoxide production. Consistent with previous studies on plasma and immune cells, GSH and GSH/GSSG were significantly decreased in both autism cerebellum (P<0.01) and BA22 (P<0.01). There was a significant increase in 3-NT in the autism cerebellum and BA22 (P<0.01). Similarly, 8-oxo-dG was significantly increased in autism cerebellum and BA22 (P<0.01 and P=0.01, respectively), and was inversely correlated with GSH/GSSG in the cerebellum (P<0.01). There was a significant increase in 3-CT levels in both brain regions (P<0.01), whereas aconitase activity was significantly decreased in autism cerebellum (P<0.01), and was negatively correlated with GSH/GSSG (P=0.01). Together, these results indicate that decreased GSH/GSSG redox/antioxidant capacity and increased oxidative stress in the autism brain may have functional consequence in terms of a chronic inflammatory response, increased mitochondrial superoxide production, and oxidative protein and DNA damage.

    http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v2/n7/full/tp201261a.html

    Here is the said and so called Adams study.

    Biol Trace Elem Res. 2013 Feb;151(2):171-80. doi: 10.1007/s12011-012-9551-1. Epub 2012 Nov 29.
    Toxicological status of children with autism vs. neurotypical children and the association with autism severity.
    Adams JB, Audhya T, McDonough-Means S, Rubin RA, Quig D, Geis E, Gehn E, Loresto M, Mitchell J, Atwood S, Barnhouse S, Lee W.

    Abstract
    This study investigates both the level of toxic metals in children with autism and the possible association of those toxic metals with autism severity. This study involved 55 children with autism ages 5-16 years compared to 44 controls with similar age and gender. The study included measurements of toxic metals in whole blood, red blood cells (RBC), and urine. The autism group had higher levels of lead in RBC (+41 %, p = 0.002) and higher urinary levels of lead (+74 %, p = 0.02), thallium (+77 %, p = 0.0001), tin (+115 %, p = 0.01), and tungsten (+44 %, p = 0.00005). However, the autism group had slightly lower levels of cadmium in whole blood (-19 %, p = 0.003). A stepwise, multiple linear regression analysis found a strong association of levels of toxic metals with variation in the degree of severity of autism for all the severity scales (adjusted R(2) of 0.38-0.47, p < 0.0003). Cadmium (whole blood) and mercury (whole blood and RBC) were the most consistently significant variables. Overall, children with autism have higher average levels of several toxic metals, and levels of several toxic metals are strongly associated with variations in the severity of autism for all three of the autism severity scales investigated.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23192845

    Surg Neurol Int. 2011;
    Published online 2011 July 30.
    Immunoexcitotoxicity as a central mechanism in chronic traumatic encephalopathy—A unifying hypothesis

    Russell L. Blaylock* and Joseph Maroon1

    Abstract
    Some individuals suffering from mild traumatic brain injuries, especially repetitive mild concussions, are thought to develop a slowly progressive encephalopathy characterized by a number of the neuropathological elements shared with various neurodegenerative diseases. A central pathological mechanism explaining the development of progressive neurodegeneration in this subset of individuals has not been elucidated. Yet, a large number of studies indicate that a process called immunoexcitotoxicity may be playing a central role in many neurodegenerative diseases including chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). The term immunoexcitotoxicity was first coined by the lead author to explain the evolving pathological and neurodevelopmental changes in autism and the Gulf War Syndrome, but it can be applied to a number of neurodegenerative disorders. The interaction between immune receptors within the central nervous system (CNS) and excitatory glutamate receptors trigger a series of events, such as extensive reactive oxygen species/reactive nitrogen species generation, accumulation of lipid peroxidation products, and prostaglandin activation, which then leads to dendritic retraction, synaptic injury, damage to microtubules, and mitochondrial suppression. In this paper, we discuss the mechanism of immunoexcitotoxicity and its link to each of the pathophysiological and neurochemical events previously described with CTE, with special emphasis on the observed accumulation of hyperphosphorylated tau.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3157093/

    Autism Spectrum Disorders and Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants
    Lucija Tomljenovic, Russell L. Blaylock, Christopher A. Shaw

    Abstract
    Impaired brain function, excessive inflammation, and autoimmune manifestations are common in autism. Aluminum (Al), the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant, is a demonstrated neurotoxin and a strong immune stimulator. Hence, adjuvant Al has the necessary properties to induce neuroimmune disorders. Because peripheral immune stimuli in the postnatal period can compromise brain development and cause permanent neurological impairments, the possibility that such outcomes could also occur with administration of Al vaccine adjuvants needs to be considered. In regard to the risk of adjuvant toxicity in children, the following should be noted: (i) children should not be viewed as “small adults” as their unique physiology makes them more vulnerable to toxic insults; (ii) in adult humans Al adjuvants can cause a variety of serious autoimmune and inflammatory conditions including those affecting the brain, yet children are routinely exposed to much higher amounts of Al from vaccines than adults; (iii) compelling evidence has underscored the tight connection between the development of the immune system and that of the brain. Thus, it appears plausible that disruptions of critical events in immune development may also play a role in the establishment of neurobehavioral disorders; (iv) the same immune system components that play key roles in brain development appear to be targeted for impairment by Al adjuvants. In summary, research data suggests that vaccines containing Al may be a contributing etiological factor in the increasing incidence of autism.

    http://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4614-4788-7_89

    Acetaminophen as well reduces glutathione levels, in addition to that caused by vaccines, in the depletion of glutathione. The more vaccines given, the worse it gets. If you have a child that is having a serious reaction to vaccines, the last thing you should ever give them is Tylenol.

    Study: Evidence that Acetaminophen, Especially in Conjunction with Vaccines, is a Major Cause of Autism and Asthma
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/study-evidence-that-acetaminophen-especially-in-conjunction-with-vaccines-is-a-major-cause-of-autism-and-asthma/

    Evidence that Increased Acetaminophen use in Genetically Vulnerable Children Appears to be a Major Cause of the Epidemics of Autism, Attention Deficit with Hyperactivity, and Asthma
    http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/home/eng/Acetaminophen.asp

    Journal of Neuroinflammation
    The NALP3 inflammasome is involved in neurotoxic prion peptide-induced microglial activation

    Results
    We found that that PrP106-126-induced IL-1β release depends on NALP3 inflammasome activation, that inflammasome activation is required for the synthesis of pro-inflammatory and chemotactic factors by PrP106-126-activated microglia, that inhibition of NF-κB activation abrogated PrP106-126-induced NALP3 upregulation, and that potassium efflux and production of reactive oxygen species were implicated in PrP106-126-induced NALP3 inflammasome activation in microglia.

    Conclusions
    We conclude that the NALP3 inflammasome is involved in neurotoxic prion peptide-induced microglial activation. To our knowledge, this is the first time that strong evidence for the involvement of NALP3 inflammasome in prion-associated inflammation has been found.

    Read more:
    http://jneuroinflammation.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-2094-9-73

    Nanomolar aluminum induces pro-inflammatory and pro-apoptotic gene expression in human brain cells in primary culture
    Walter J. Lukiw a,*, Maire E. Percy b, Theo P. Kruck b

    Excerpt:

    The promoters of genes up-regulated by aluminum are enriched in binding sites for the stress-inducible transcription factors HIF-1 and NF-kappaB, suggesting a role for aluminum, HIF-1 and NF-kappaB in driving atypical, pro-inflammatory and pro-apoptotic gene expression. The effect of aluminum on specific stress-related gene expression patterns in human brain cells clearly warrant further investigation.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013405001182

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15961160

    BRAIN’S IMMUNE SYSTEM TRIGGERED IN AUTISM
    http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2004/11_15a_04.html

    Ann Neurol. 2005 Jan;57(1):67-81.
    Neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
    Vargas DL, Nascimbene C, Krishnan C, Zimmerman AW, Pardo CA.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15546155

    Neuro-inflammation, blood-brain barrier, seizures and autism
    http://jneuroinflammation.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-2094-8-168

    Autism Spectrum Disorders and Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants
    Lucija Tomljenovic, Russell L. Blaylock, Christopher A. Shaw

    Abstract
    Impaired brain function, excessive inflammation, and autoimmune manifestations are common in autism. Aluminum (Al), the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant, is a demonstrated neurotoxin and a strong immune stimulator. Hence, adjuvant Al has the necessary properties to induce neuroimmune disorders. Because peripheral immune stimuli in the postnatal period can compromise brain development and cause permanent neurological impairments, the possibility that such outcomes could also occur with administration of Al vaccine adjuvants needs to be considered. In regard to the risk of adjuvant toxicity in children, the following should be noted: (i) children should not be viewed as “small adults” as their unique physiology makes them more vulnerable to toxic insults; (ii) in adult humans Al adjuvants can cause a variety of serious autoimmune and inflammatory conditions including those affecting the brain, yet children are routinely exposed to much higher amounts of Al from vaccines than adults; (iii) compelling evidence has underscored the tight connection between the development of the immune system and that of the brain. Thus, it appears plausible that disruptions of critical events in immune development may also play a role in the establishment of neurobehavioral disorders; (iv) the same immune system components that play key roles in brain development appear to be targeted for impairment by Al adjuvants. In summary, research data suggests that vaccines containing Al may be a contributing etiological factor in the increasing incidence of autism.

    http://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4614-4788-7_89

    And what do multiple vaccines combined with aluminum adjuvants do? They over-activate the brains microglia cells and with resulting long term levels of brain inflammation. The studies and the data are all there on the page that I gave you

    Journal of American Nutraceutical Association 6: 21-35, 2003.
    Interaction of Cytokines, Excitotoxins, and Reactive Nitrogen and Oxygen Species in Autism Spectrum Disorders, Russell Blaylock, MD* Medical Director, Advanced Nutritional Concepts Ridgeland, Mississippi

    ABSTRACT

    There is growing and compelling evidence that excessive peripheral as well as central immune activation of brain microglia can result in alterations in brain growth and connectivity during rapid brain growth, the so-called "brain growth spurt." A considerable amount of evidence, presented in this paper, demonstrates the deleterious effects of immune factors, such as cytokines, chemokines, and excitotoxins, when present in excess. The interaction between excitotoxicity, ROS and RNS injury and immune dysfunction is discussed. It is concluded that excessive activation of the brain's immune system during critical growth periods can occur when vaccines are given as combination vaccines, using schedules that are too close together or by the use of certain live viruses in the vaccines.

    http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=1084

    Front Neurol. 2015; 6: 4.
    Published online 2015 Feb 5. doi: 10.3389/fneur.2015.00004
    PMCID: PMC4318414
    Biopersistence and Brain Translocation of Aluminum Adjuvants of Vaccines

    Abstract
    Aluminum oxyhydroxide (alum) is a crystalline compound widely used as an immunological adjuvant of vaccines. Concerns linked to the use of alum particles emerged following recognition of their causative role in the so-called macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF) lesion detected in patients with myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue/syndrome. MMF revealed an unexpectedly long-lasting biopersistence of alum within immune cells in presumably susceptible individuals, stressing the previous fundamental misconception of its biodisposition. We previously showed that poorly biodegradable aluminum-coated particles injected into muscle are promptly phagocytosed in muscle and the draining lymph nodes, and can disseminate within phagocytic cells throughout the body and slowly accumulate in brain. This strongly suggests that long-term adjuvant biopersistence within phagocytic cells is a prerequisite for slow brain translocation and delayed neurotoxicity. The understanding of basic mechanisms of particle biopersistence and brain translocation represents a major health challenge, since it could help to define susceptibility factors to develop chronic neurotoxic damage. Biopersistence of alum may be linked to its lysosome-destabilizing effect, which is likely due to direct crystal-induced rupture of phagolysosomal membranes. Macrophages that continuously perceive foreign particles in their cytosol will likely reiterate, with variable interindividual efficiency, a dedicated form of autophagy (xenophagy) until they dispose of alien materials. Successful compartmentalization of particles within double membrane autophagosomes and subsequent fusion with repaired and re-acidified lysosomes will expose alum to lysosomal acidic pH, the sole factor that can solubilize alum particles. Brain translocation of alum particles is linked to a Trojan horse mechanism previously described for infectious particles (HIV, HCV), that obeys to CCL2, signaling the major inflammatory monocyte chemoattractant.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318414/

    Research Article
    The Severity of Autism Is Associated with Toxic Metal Body Burden and Red Blood Cell Glutathione Levels

    Brain translocation of alum particles is linked to a Trojan horse mechanism previously described for infectious particles (HIV, HCV), that obeys to CCL2, signaling the major inflammatory monocyte chemoattractant.

    Read more:
    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/ (full study)

    J Expo Sci Environ Epidemiol. 2010 Nov;20(7):598-601.
    Infants' exposure to aluminum from vaccines and breast milk during the first 6 months.

    Pragmatic vaccine safety needs to embrace conventional toxicology, addressing especial characteristics of unborn fetuses, neonates and infants exposed to low levels of aluminum, and ethylmercury traditionally considered innocuous to the central nervous system.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20010978

  • Where do you think the load of heavy metals came from that were found in those children with autism?

    The same place the heavy metals in your body come from: your air, food, and water.

  • Jesus baby

    Lol. Yes Lowell, there have been 11 cases here. How could you not know that?

  • I did not say anything as to what I know as to and about the existing cases of Ebola. You assume that, and simply continue to make a false and irrelevant accusation, and an argument out of it. What I said is that it is irrelevant to the bigger picture and as to bigger picture of what is going on currently with the CDC, and as outlined in the information. You as well are a typical trolling shill, and your game as well is to do nothing but disrupt and distract from any productive discussion or debate, on such as the information I provided.

  • Again you missed the point. Quite obviously there is no way that those loads of heavy metals were acquired in those children, by simple exposure to air, food, and water.

    Research Article
    The Severity of Autism Is Associated with Toxic Metal Body Burden and Red Blood Cell Glutathione Levels

    Abstract
    This study investigates both the level of toxic metals in children with autism and the possible association of those toxic metals with autism severity. This study involved 55 children with autism ages 5-16 years compared to 44 controls with similar age and gender. The study included measurements of toxic metals in whole blood, red blood cells (RBC), and urine. The autism group had higher levels of lead in RBC (+41 %, p = 0.002) and higher urinary levels of lead (+74 %, p = 0.02), thallium (+77 %, p = 0.0001), tin (+115 %, p = 0.01), and tungsten (+44 %, p = 0.00005). However, the autism group had slightly lower levels of cadmium in whole blood (-19 %, p = 0.003). A stepwise, multiple linear regression analysis found a strong association of levels of toxic metals with variation in the degree of severity of autism for all the severity scales (adjusted R(2) of 0.38-0.47, p < 0.0003). Cadmium (whole blood) and mercury (whole blood and RBC) were the most consistently significant variables. Overall, children with autism have higher average levels of several toxic metals, and levels of several toxic metals are strongly associated with variations in the severity of autism for all three of the autism severity scales investigated.

    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/ (full study)

    And you as well REFUSE to focus on any other study, and as to all of them that obviously exist. You refuse to address anything but that. How pathetic does that make you look, and in refusal of the independent study information?

    The total body of evidence and information, in your mind does that just include only the pro-vax studies and the information that the pro-vax side and their trolling shills accept? And that doesn't include any independent studies and information from the vaccine truth side, and which you term as the anti-vax side; and quite obviously.

  • Jesus baby

    If you knew about them you wouldn’t have asked, “Did you have any past or current cases of Ebola in the US, that you can point out?”
    It’s relevant that someone who doesn’t even know we’ve had 11 Ebola cases in the U.S. (2 of whom died) would try to influence U.S. policies on preventing new infectious disease outbreaks. But ignorance has never stopped you before.

  • What I said and meant was do you have a list of cases that were isolated/quarantined. And again, it is irrelevant to the issues currently going on with the CDC, and as to what they are doing. Go and actually read the information.

  • Jesus baby

    No, what you said was, “Did you have any past or current cases of Ebola in the US, that you can point out?” because you had no idea we’ve already had 11 cases here.
    And they were all isolated of course. Do you have an issue with them being isolated, Lowell?

  • Ok, to end your irrelevant arguments in which you only intend to focus on me personally, it will obviously be needed that I put the information directly in front of you. This is clearly not about just simply isolating people with such as Ebola. It reaches much further than that.

    URGENT: Contact U.S. Legislators to STOP CDC Proposed Rule for Forced Detention, Isolation, Vaccination and Quarantine!
    NATIONAL VACCINE INFORMATION CENTER·TUESDAY, OCTOBER 11, 2016

    Dear NVIC Advocacy Team Members,

    Your action is urgently needed this week to help stop an extremely threatening and overreaching proposed Centers for Disease Control (CDC) rule granting police powers to forcibly detain, isolate, vaccinate and quarantine citizens. This is very serious and we need you to contact your U.S. legislators and ask them to demand that the CDC withdraw this proposed rule. The Notice of Public Rulemaking (NPRM) is published in the Federal Register.

    To familiarize yourself with the important details of the CDC’s proposal, read (or watch a video) of this very important referenced commentary on this NPRM by Co-founder and President of NVIC Barbara Loe Fisher. We also published a press release that summarizes the problems with NPRM. NVIC has also published additional resources on government police powers.
    ACTION NEEDED:

    1) Contact your U.S. Congressional Representative and both of your U.S. Senators Representatives and ask them to stop this outrageous federal overreach and unnecessary expansion of police powers by demanding the CDC withdraw the proposed rule. To find who represents you in the U.S. Congress and U.S. Senate, register/login to the NVIC Advocacy Portal, click on the “NATIONAL” tab on the top of your home page, and the names of your personal U.S. Congressional Representative and your two U.S. Senators will be listed on the right hand side. Click on their names to be linked to all of their contact information. Send your letter by email, fax or regular mail then follow-up with a personal phone call expressing your concerns. You should be contacting all three of your U.S. legislators.

    2) Submit public comments with your concerns directly to the CDC on the proposed rule by Oct. 14, 2016 at 11:59 PM EST.

    3) Share this alert with family and friends by forwarding this email or sending them to http://NVICAdvocacy.org on our National page or sharing this note from the NVIC facebook page.

    4) Register with the NVIC Advocacy Portal to view and receive updates.

    SAMPLE LETTER TO U.S. LEGISLATORS:
    Oct. 11, 2016
    The Honorable FIRSTNAME LASTNAME
    STREET ADDRESS
    Washington, D.C. 20515

    RE: Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) by CDC and HHS Concerning Quarantine CDC Docket No. CDC-2016-0068

    Dear Representative or Senator LASTNAME,

    As a constituent of yours, I am writing to you for your assistance. I have serious concerns about an overreaching proposed HHS/CDC Rule that would expand police powers to forcibly detain, isolate, vaccinate and quarantine citizens. This Notice of Proposed Rule Making was published in the Federal Register on 8/15/16 and is currently open for public comment until 10/14/16.

    I am asking you to demand that the CDC withdraw this proposed rule for the following reasons:

    The proposed rule is a violation of civil liberties. U.S. health officials could hold a person in custody for 72 hours without the right to contact an attorney to appeal the detention. Detainees could be asked to sign a contract with the CDC that gives consent to the “public health measures” being applied to the adult or a minor child, which may include “quarantine, isolation, conditional release, medical examination, hospitalization, vaccination, and treatment.” The proposed rule states that “the individual’s consent shall not be considered a prerequisite to any exercise of any authority” by the CDC. After release, the person can be electronically tracked and monitored, including by electronic tracking devices attached to the body.

    The proposed rule is a clear case of federal government overreach. Federal and state laws are already in place to address the control of outbreaks of serious communicable diseases. When similar rules have been proposed in the past they have been withdrawn over concerns of civil rights violations and the cost to implement.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-04-01-quarantine_N.htm

    The proposed rule has very subjective and unreasonably broad definitions of illness. The proposed rule defines a potentially “ill” person deserving of special government scrutiny to be someone with “areas of the skin with multiple red bumps, red, flat spots or blister like bumps filled with fluid or pus that are intact or partially crusted over,” warning ominously that “the presence of skin rash, along with fever, may indicate that the traveler has measles, rubella (German measles), varicella (chickenpox) meningococcal disease or smallpox.” These definitions (on pages 54239-40) are very subjective and will open the door for travelers to be detained for something as simple as a skin rash while suffering from a bad sunburn, acne, rosacea, eczema, psoriasis, the hives, or severe allergies and a mild fever that could be due to an old fashioned cold. Measles is not Ebola and chickenpox is not smallpox.

    Sincerely,
    YOUR NAME
    YOUR STREET ADDRESS
    YOUR CITY, STATE, ZIP
    YOUR EMAIL
    YOUR PHONE

    Here is another sample letter.

    Make sure you include the docket information when you submit yours. Also, it’s good to include something pertaining to the law to show how it is against the law to propose such a rule.
    ___________________________________________________

    Control of Communicable Diseases Federal Register, Volume 81 Issue 157 (Monday, August 15, 2016)
    Docket ID: CDC-2016-0068
    RIN: 0920-AA63
    CFR Citation: 42 CFR 70,42 CFR 71

    We STILL have freedom of religion in this country as granted to us by the First Amendment in our Constitution. This rule impedes on our ability to freely exercise our religion. We will not willingly give you authority to force medical procedures onto us. Many Americans find vaccinations and other medical procedures to be against their religion and this rule explicitly goes against our individual religious liberties and rights. We must honor and protect our religious beliefs as that is what made this country.

    I find the Control of Communicable Diseases rule deplorable and unconstitutional. I object to this rule and believe it to be overreaching and an attempt to gain more control over American lives. No government entity including the CDC should EVER have the authority or power to violate an individual person’s rights and liberties based off of suspicion due to an illness. We all get sick. Every single one of us. Being ill is not against the law and forcing medical treatment is unconstitutional and should be considered against the law.

    How can you believe we would be ok with you apprehending, detaining, and force vaccinating us? We ARE NOT ok with it. We WILL NEVER be ok with it.

    Send to:
    https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/08/15/2016-18103/control-of-communicable-diseases

  • The amount of heavy metals that those children are exposed to from food, air, and water are vastly, vastly, vastly greater than the amount they could receive from vaccines, particularly those metals that aren’t even present in vaccines.

  • You are in denial …insane. You are so full of ignorant BS that it should boggle the mind of any honest reader that ever reads your posts. Where are your physiologically based comparison studies? None of have ever been done, and as I pointed out as well in the 9 questions, and which you failed to respond to and to answer even one single question. That was my point, the necessary vaccine safety studies clearly have never been done.

    You assume that it is all one and the same, and just because Paul Offit says so, and really that is all it is based on and very little more for data. Injected substances follow an entirely different pathway of detox and elimination, than do environment exposure or that from foods and water. And you can not even begin to comprehend that on either a physiological or biological level. As to the substances found an excessive amount of in that study, those substances are not typically even found in a child’s environment, or their food, or their water.

    And you wouldn’t know what is in vaccines, and would have no way to know. They can’t even produce a killed vaccine without the use of Thimerosal in their production facilities, and because they can not assure the product will not pick up infectious contamination from their plant. Then they say they remove the mercury down to only being trace amounts in the vaccine. All while the FDA is doing nothing to reassure that removal to trace amounts, and it is all left to the honor system of the vaccine manufacturer; and we all know what that is worth; nothing.

    The issue Dr Bradstreet put forth was that also there is found a high amount of nagalase being found in autistic children. Nagalase of course blocks the production of necessary for human health, GcMAF. Has anyone verified that there is no nagalse in any vials of vaccine? No they have not, and they never will. And now the man is dead, and end of story for them.

    Move on to the other studies, and those 9 questions. Get started.

  • Jesus baby

    Yes you already copy/pasted that. Do you have an issue with the U.S. isolating Ebola patients?

  • AutismDadd

    It was about what he and 12 other health and research professionals discovered and suggested. Measles virus is known to cause gut issues, so its not beyond possibility that vaccine strain LIVE measles could do the same.

  • AutismDadd

    Should I say it in Chinese?

  • Of course not; Ebola patients would obviously need to be isolated. Do you have an issue with facing, and addressing the real issues in this? Oh, that’s right, you can’t; other than to cause more disruption and distraction from any such thing. Actually, I don’t think anyone here cares to hear your view, on anything at all.

  • those substances are not typically even found in a child’s environment, or their food, or their water.

    Hehe, you really believe that, too. Sure, you don’t see mercury or selenium listed in food ingredients, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t taken up from the soil by plants, eaten by food animals, or emitted by industry. Heavy metals are part of our environment the same way dietary iron, sulfur, and radon are. The entire CDC schedule of vaccines doesn’t contain enough of these heavy metals to create a heavy persistent burden. Remember what a fight you put up when I tried to explain how iron, a metal, is present in food? It’s not being taken from iron mines and mixed into spinach at the cannery! It’s already in the spinach because spinach plants pull iron out of the ground, along with other metals.

  • No, you should explain which numbers are being manipulated and by whom. Are you saying that the 1/10,000 and 1/68 numbers are fraudulent?

  • Obviously you need to go back to the list of what was actually found in high levels. And again, where are your physiologically based studies to show evidence for your clearly false claims and assumptions? You have nothing, and yet you continue to post.

  • AutismDadd

    Numbers like that come from government agencies like CDC. In 2015 CDC announced autism at 1 in 45 children nationwide. I guess you’d claim there’s nothing to be concerned about.

  • Jesus baby

    So it WAS about the vaccine, TY. And 10 of 12 of the coauthors retracted their names. And why did Wakefield not mention the hospital pathology department found only 1/12 children’s intestinal biopsies showed possible colitis and that case was normal on repeat biopsy? Why did he lie about so many of the kid’s autism diagnoses and when it developed? And where was all that measles?
    You really need to educate yourself about Mr Wakefield. That barely scratches the surface.

  • Jesus baby

    So if it’s OK to isolate Ebola patients, what potentially pandemic-inducing infectious patients do you think we SHOULDN’T isolate?

  • Again, and as I said it is irrelevant. You are evading the actual information, and there are no imminent potential pandemics, unless they are intentionally created. False fear mongering is a mislead and brainwashed by product of the pro-vaccine side. The uneducated sheeple simply buy into it, every time

  • So why are they being manipulated? Should I not be able to rely on the 1/10,000, 1/68, and 1/45 figures? Can I draw conclusions from them or not?

  • AutismDadd

    You can draw conclusions from anything.

  • AutismDadd

    Sounds more like you are scratching your rear end.

  • Just because you assert that something is “clearly false” doesn’t make it so, Lowell. Your J. B. Adams study had some very interesting methodology. Here, let’s take a second look:

    The entry criteria were the following.
    (1) Children with autism spectrum disorder, diagnosed by a psychiatrist, psychologist, or developmental pediatrician.

    In other words, they did not bother to create a baseline urine content range for non-autistic children. This prevents their results from being directly compared to already-known reference ranges for blood tests. The heavy metal reference ranges that I’m finding are based on blood tests, not urine tests.

    63 participants were assessed with the ATEC, and 49 participants were assessed with the PDD-BI, SAS, and ADOS. Fewer participants were assessed for the latter three tests because some participants had low urinary excretion of toxic metals and were not eligible to continue, and some participants dropped out.

    In other words, they dropped participants who didn’t give them the urine metal contents they wanted.

    Now let’s have a look at the results:

    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/tab4/

    In this table, you can see that the significant correlations (bolded) are all over the map. Only two of them (lead and antimony) are consistently significant across the scores, and only lead is strongly correlated. We already know that lead is a neurotoxin, so it’s hardly surprising that it would be related to neurological dysfunction. Mercury isn’t significant in any of the scores, before or after nine doses of DMSA.

    According to the study itself:

    Mercury, lead, and other toxic metals come from many sources. There has been particular interest in the possible relationship of autism and thimerosal (a mercury-based preservative once used in many childhood vaccines, but removed from most vaccines after 2003). However, this study was not designed to determine the sources of the toxic metals found in children with autism.

    So, even J. B. Adams, et al agree with me that vaccines are not the only possible source of heavy metals, and most of the metals that they tested for don’t exist in any amount in any of the CDC schedule vaccines. Unless you believe that vaccines are secretly filled with an astonishing amount of arsenic..?

  • Should I not be able to rely on the 1/10,000, 1/68, and 1/45 figures?

  • Jesus baby

    I wouldn’t try to defend him either.

  • AutismDadd

    Call CDC

  • AutismDadd

    Now you’re licking your fingers

  • Jesus baby

    How could you know there are no potential pandemics, Lowell, when you didn’t even know we had had 11 Ebola cases and 2 Ebola deaths in the U.S.?
    But let’s try this…what potentially epidemic-inducing infectious patients do you think we shouldn’t isolate?

  • Do you rely on them? If you’re using them as evidence of an autism epidemic, it stands to reason that you have faith in at least some CDC figures.

  • AutismDadd

    Way to make assumptions dude

  • Jesus baby

    What’s sad is you’d wet yourself if you met Andy but you know nothing about him.

  • AutismDadd

    That’s such a dumb statement. Must be your super power

  • If I’m making false assumptions, please correct me! It’s difficult to make any progress when you’re being so uncommunicative!

  • I don’t just assert that things are false, I provide evidence of it.

    And you created all that trash and yet still said and showed actually little to nothing; much more that discredits the study. In the case of metals, and mercury included, often there is retention toxicity and urine levels do not accurately determine the level of such substances in the body. DMPS instead of DMSA is the preferred chelator and in a lotion form such as Dr Buttar uses with good success. If he had harmed anyone, he would no longer be practicing, and they obviously had him under the licensing gun in NC.

    If there were no issue with these said heavy metals being found in those children with autism, then there would have been no consistent findings of those heavy metals found at all in those children. Attempting to pick and pick at the study in an attempt to tear down the studies methodology, is literally here a waste of time. No autistic children would have been found with that toxicity issue, period, if there was not something serious going on.

    When Dr Buttar has detoxed autistic children of heavy metals, he has had significant success in reversing autism, with that alone. Chelation is often as well not the only protocol needed as to recovery of those children, as other protocols and supplements are also needed to re-balance and heal the damage that has been done by vaccines.

    Biomedical Treatment in Autism (ASD)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/biomedical-treatment-in-autism-asd.html

    Now, we have these related studies as well. You should be able to clearly see that a load of injected vaccines are going to seriously make this situation worse, and that is regardless of the source of any heavy metals, or anything else. You can’t win, Ken S., the real science is all on my side, and as well the side of the vaccine truther’s. Face it. You really need to expand your willingness to accept the available study science. Look at as well the studies regarding vaccine aluminum adjuvants; similar things are happening there.

    N Am J Med Sci. 2009 July; 1(2): 28–47.
    What is regressive autism and why does it occur? Is it the consequence of multi-systemic dysfunction affecting the elimination of heavy metals and the ability to regulate neural temperature?
    Graham E. Ewing

    Abstract
    There is a compelling argument that the occurrence of regressive autism is attributable to genetic and chromosomal abnormalities, arising from the overuse of vaccines, which subsequently affects the stability and function of the autonomic nervous system and physiological systems. That sense perception is linked to the autonomic nervous system and the function of the physiological systems enables us to examine the significance of autistic symptoms from a systemic perspective. Failure of the excretory system influences elimination of heavy metals and facilitates their accumulation and subsequent manifestation as neurotoxins: the long-term consequences of which would lead to neurodegeneration, cognitive and developmental problems. It may also influence regulation of neural hyperthermia. This article explores the issues and concludes that sensory dysfunction and systemic failure, manifested as autism, is the inevitable consequence arising from subtle DNA alteration and consequently from the overuse of vaccines.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/ (Full study)

    Evidence of oxidative damage and inflammation associated with low glutathione redox status in the autism brain
    S Rose1, S Melnyk1, O Pavliv1, S Bai1, T G Nick1, R E Frye1 and S J James1
    1Department of Pediatrics, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, Arkansas Children’s Hospital Research Institute, Little Rock, AR, USA
    Accepted 31 May 2012

    Abstract
    Despite increasing evidence of oxidative stress in the pathophysiology of autism, most studies have not evaluated biomarkers within specific brain regions, and the functional consequences of oxidative stress remain relatively understudied. We examined frozen samples from the cerebellum and temporal cortex (Brodmann area 22 (BA22)) from individuals with autism and unaffected controls (n=15 and n=12 per group, respectively). Biomarkers of oxidative stress, including reduced glutathione (GSH), oxidized glutathione (GSSG) and glutathione redox/antioxidant capacity (GSH/GSSG), were measured. Biomarkers of oxidative protein damage (3-nitrotyrosine; 3-NT) and oxidative DNA damage (8-oxo-deoxyguanosine; 8-oxo-dG) were also assessed. Functional indicators of oxidative stress included relative levels of 3-chlorotyrosine (3-CT), an established biomarker of a chronic inflammatory response, and aconitase activity, a biomarker of mitochondrial superoxide production. Consistent with previous studies on plasma and immune cells, GSH and GSH/GSSG were significantly decreased in both autism cerebellum (P<0.01) and BA22 (P<0.01). There was a significant increase in 3-NT in the autism cerebellum and BA22 (P<0.01). Similarly, 8-oxo-dG was significantly increased in autism cerebellum and BA22 (P<0.01 and P=0.01, respectively), and was inversely correlated with GSH/GSSG in the cerebellum (P<0.01). There was a significant increase in 3-CT levels in both brain regions (P<0.01), whereas aconitase activity was significantly decreased in autism cerebellum (P<0.01), and was negatively correlated with GSH/GSSG (P=0.01). Together, these results indicate that decreased GSH/GSSG redox/antioxidant capacity and increased oxidative stress in the autism brain may have functional consequence in terms of a chronic inflammatory response, increased mitochondrial superoxide production, and oxidative protein and DNA damage.

    http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v2/n7/full/tp201261a.html

  • If there were no issue with these said heavy metals being found in those children with autism, then there would have been no consistent findings of those heavy metals found at all in those children. Attempting to pick and pick at the study in an attempt to tear down the studies methodology, is literally here a waste of time. No autistic children would have been found with that toxicity issue, period, if there was not something serious going on.

    Did you not notice the part where they didn’t find consistent correlation with any metals besides lead and antimony? Not tin, not thallium, not mercury, not tungsten, not arsenic, not cadmium, and not aluminum? Some of them even had an (insignificant, mind you) negative correlation! Forget being able to read a study, you can’t even read summaries of small portions of a study.

  • Again, what a continual load of twisted crap you post. Again, Ebola is irrelevant and as I have explained. You have no idea what I know and you just twist what you must claim to that you think I don’t know. This is about the vaccine issues, and not just an attempted personal attack on me, and what you allege I know or don’t know. When that doesn’t work for you-you just spin it around again and say, lets try this. What do you not understand about that your game isn’t working?

    As far as so called potential pandemics, I base what I know on evidence found in the past history, and in what I know about that history. Again, your last question was already answered in my previous post.

  • Jesus baby

    Lol if you knew past history you’d have known we’ve had 11 cases of Ebola in the U.S.
    So you don’t have an opinion on isolation of any potential epidemic-inducing or pandemic-inducing infectious patients either way?

  • That is your personal and biased view and version of it, as I said.

    The study found these findings in the abstract, but you say that you find that they actually did not find anything; and nor of significance. Like I have always said, there is nothing you will not deny.

    Abstract
    This study investigates both the level of toxic metals in children with autism and the possible association of those toxic metals with autism severity. This study involved 55 children with autism ages 5-16 years compared to 44 controls with similar age and gender. The study included measurements of toxic metals in whole blood, red blood cells (RBC), and urine. The autism group had higher levels of lead in RBC (+41 %, p = 0.002) and higher urinary levels of lead (+74 %, p = 0.02), thallium (+77 %, p = 0.0001), tin (+115 %, p = 0.01), and tungsten (+44 %, p = 0.00005). However, the autism group had slightly lower levels of cadmium in whole blood (-19 %, p = 0.003). A stepwise, multiple linear regression analysis found a strong association of levels of toxic metals with variation in the degree of severity of autism for all the severity scales (adjusted R(2) of 0.38-0.47, p < 0.0003). Cadmium (whole blood) and mercury (whole blood and RBC) were the most consistently significant variables. Overall, children with autism have higher average levels of several toxic metals, and levels of several toxic metals are strongly associated with variations in the severity of autism for all three of the autism severity scales investigated.

    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/

    And you as well just forget about this supporting study, and as I previously posted.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/

    And this study.

    http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v2/n7/full/tp201261a.html

  • I was just telling you about the actual numbers from the first study. The first one you linked right there, I’m describing the numbers from that study, the numbers provided by J. B. Adams, et al. I did not make them up, I am using the numbers that they provided. Their numbers show no consistent correlation with any heavy metals besides lead (an already-known neurotoxin) and antimony.

    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/tab4/

    These numbers, Lowell. These are the numbers from that study. Look at which ones are bolded and which ones are not. The bold ones are the ones with statistically significant correlation. Do you see how many of them are only bold in one category? Do you see the ones that actually have a negative correlation? Look at AlBase. Do you think that the negative correlation across all four scores indicates that we should inject autistic children with aluminum?

    You also seem completely uninterested in the fact that the researchers and the sponsor of the study are financially connected to the commercial offering of chelation therapy. I guess as long as they espouse the same quackery you do, they’re absolutely beyond reproach, huh.

  • Again, I simply asked you to list the cases of Ebola in the US that had been isolated/quarantined. You never did. Instead, you attempt to make a continual personal harassment case out of it, in the attempt to ignore the real issues that I put forth. You do that because you can not actually respond to those real issues. Distract and disrupt,

  • Jesus baby

    You keep saying Ebola is irrevelant, Lowell, yet now you want me to list all 11 cases for you because…what? Are you seriously suggesting all of them WEREN’T isolated?

  • Do you think that the negative correlation across all four scores indicates that we should inject autistic children with aluminum?

    What kind of a mindless question was that? And the point is?

    Simply providing the table 4 graph alone, does not provide for the claims you are making.

    Did you read any of the study statements that went with it? Of course not. You just add your own uneducated and biased interpretation to it.

    3.2. Correlation Analysis

    Table 4 shows the results of a simple correlation analysis of severity of autism versus toxic metal levels. Correlations with a -value of less than .05 are shown in bold. Baseline excretion of antimony (Sb) and excretion of lead (Pb) after the 9th dose of DMSA are the two most consistent factors, although other metals also have for some of the severity scales. In all cases for , the correlations are positive, so that high levels of toxic metals correlate with higher severity of autism, as expected. Also, the initial glutathione correlates positively with two of the severity scales at .

    Table 4: Correlation analyses of initial autism severity versus urinary metal excretion and initial glutathione. The metal excretion is measured both at Baseline (before DMSA) and after the 9th dose of DMSA. The first number in each cell is the correlation coefficient (r) and the second number is the P-value. Correlation coefficients with P < .05 are in bold. The last 2 rows list the total number of positive and negative correlation coefficients, respectively.

    However, because we are analyzing many correlations, a traditional -value of .05 is not a rigorous guide. Since we are analyzing 76 possible correlations, random chance alone would result in approximately 4 results at . We found 13 instances of for toxic metals, and the probability of that occurring randomly is , so it is very likely that most, but probably not all, of the correlations represent actual relationships.

    One way to deal with the problem of multiple correlation analyses is the Bonferroni approach. Using this approach involves dividing the nominal -value by the number of tests, so that for 95% confidence one needs a -value less than .05/76, or . Using the Bonferroni approach, the correlations between initial Severity of Autism Scale (SAS) and baseline excretion of lead (Pb) and antimony (Sb) are significantly different from 0 at the 95% confidence level, and these are the only pairs that meet the Bonferroni criterion for the 5% significance threshold. Again, it should be noted that this is a conservative approach, designed to ensure that very few nonsignificant correlations are misrepresented as significant.

    False discovery rate (FDR) is a less conservative method for performing multiple hypothesis tests, based on controlling the expected number of false positives among the cases declared significant. If we use FDR on the summary severity scores, then in addition to the results obtained from the Bonferroni analysis, the correlation between Initial ATEC Total and baseline excretion of antimony (Sb), and the correlations between Initial PDD-BI Autism Total and baseline excretion of antimony (Sb) and 9th dose excretion of lead (Pb) are significantly different from 0; we will term these findings “marginally significant.”

    Next, consider the numbers of positive and negative sample correlation coefficients in the table. If there were no statistically significant correlations between autism severity and biological measures then we would expect on average about equal numbers of positive and negative sample correlation coefficients. For the summary severity measures, we observed 63 positive sample correlation coefficients (’s) and 13 negative ’s. This corresponds to a -value of for the hypothesis that there is no correlation between the severity measures and biological measures. Thus it is extremely likely that there is a high overall positive correlation between the severity measures as a group and the biological measures taken as a group.

    Finally, the average of all of the 76 sample correlation coefficients is 0.14. If there were no statistically significant correlations between autism severity and the biological measures, the average of 76 sample correlation coefficients (each of which was taken form a sample of size 40 or more) would come from a distribution with mean 0 and standard deviation equal to 0.02. Under those conditions, the -value for a mean correlation coefficient of 0.14 is less that , so again it is extremely likely that there is a high overall positive correlation between the severity measures as a group and the biological measures taken as a group.

    Since multiple correlations were obtained, it was decided to conduct regression analyses, which are discussed in the next section. Basically, a regression analysis allows for the simultaneous consideration of multiple factors, such as how well certain combinations of different toxic metal excretions can predict values of a specific autism severity measure.

    3.3. Regression Analyses of Initial Severity of Autism

    Table 5 shows the results of stepwise linear regression analyses for the various autism severity scales as a function of urinary excretion of toxic metals (at baseline and after the 9th dose of DMSA) and initial glutathione. All of the analyses found that the variations in the severity of autism could be partially explained by the urinary excretion of toxic metals and initial glutathione, with adjusted values ranging from 0.22 to 0.45, and -values all below .005. For the ADOS (which had the highest adjusted ), the most significant variables were mercury (Hg) and antimony (Sb) at baseline and mercury and tungsten (W) at the 9th dose.

    tab5
    Table 5: Regression analyses of initial autism severity versus urinary metal excretion and initial glutathione. In the regression equation, the suffixes for the metals refer to the value at Baseline (B) and after the 9th ( 9) dose of DMSA in Phase 1.
    Since the ADOS score had the highest adjusted values, we also conducted a similar regression analysis on the subscales—(a) language and communication; (b) reciprocal social interaction; (c) play; (d) stereotyped behaviors and restricted interests (SBRIs). Those results are show in Table 6. The variation in all four of the ADOS subscales could also be partially explained by urinary excretion of toxic metals and RBC glutathione (adjusted of 0.21–0.41, in all cases). The ADOS Sociability and the ADOS Communication subscales had the highest adjusted (0.41 and 0.37, resp.). For the ADOS Sociability subscale, the most significant variable was tungsten at the 9th dose, followed by tungsten, aluminum, and thallium at baseline and lead and thallium at the 9th dose. For the ADOS Communication subscale, the most significant variables were mercury (at baseline and 9th dose) and antimony (Sb) at baseline.

    tab6
    Table 6: Regression analyses of initial ados subscales versus urinary metal excretion and initial glutathione. In the regression equation, the suffixes for the metals refer to the value at Baseline (B) and after the 9th ( 9) dose of DMSA in Phase 1.

    Read more:
    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/

    4.1. Limitations of this Study

    The original study was designed primarily for evaluating the safety and efficacy of DMSA therapy. It was not primarily designed for investigating the relationship of the severity of autism to toxic metals, but that was an interesting outcome, so we felt it worthwhile to report it. Some limitations of the study design include the following.

    (1) The PDD-BI, SAS, and ADOS were assessed 2–4 weeks after the first round of DMSA, whereas the ATEC was assessed before. However, the strong correlation of the ATEC and PDD-BI suggests that this was a minor issue, and that the initial round of DMSA did not significantly affect the assessment.
    (2) The ATEC involved the largest number of participants (), whereas the other assessments involved somewhat smaller numbers ().

    5. Conclusions

    Overall, the correlation analysis found multiple significant correlations of severity of autism and the urinary excretion of toxic metals, such that a higher body burden of toxic metals was associated with more severe autistic symptoms. The results of the regression analyses ( in all cases) indicate that variations in the severity of autism may be partially explained in terms of toxic metal body burden. However, the finding of a relationship does not establish causality.

    Read more:
    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/

  • I did not suggest anything of the sort, and had no reason to; so called Jesus baby. You had your chance to provide the direct information. However, and again it is irrelevant at this point, and as I have said about 20 times now.

  • Yeah, but you just pasted them instead of reading them. Tell me, Lowell, what do they mean?

  • No, I am showing you that you obviously did not read them, and instead only added your own twisted and biased interpretation to the study. You are so obviously incorrect, it is pathetic.

  • Ah, more proof by assertion. Tell me, Lowell, do you think it’s troubling that 11/13 researchers and one of the study’s two sponsors having a financial interest in promoting chelation?

    Oh! I just looked at the lab that did the urine analysis for them. Looks like they’re in a little legal trouble!

    http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/doctors_data.html

  • Jesus baby

    So you want the irrelevant information anyway? Is that what you’re saying?

  • shay simmons

    You forgot question #4 — Have you considered getting professional help?

  • AutismDadd

    Another assumption of yours is that I want to banter with a nonsense producer.

  • If you can’t answer the question, that’s OK. It makes me sad to see you squirm like this.

  • AutismDadd

    I’m glad you’re admitting that you are sad, all you p-vacs are sad excuses for human beings.

  • So, when can I trust the CDC and Big Pharma?

  • Ron Roy

    sociopaths all of them.

  • Sue

    I would be speaking German if it wasn’t for us.. Oh goodness.. Baby you are so full of yourself.. who is us.. and what country do you suppose I am from.. every post I read of yours gets my stupid…..

  • Sue

    They sure are Ron Roy they sure are

  • Jesus baby

    Or Russian.

  • sabelmouse

    as a chronically ill person i would contest that on grounds of lifelong pain and misery not being enjoyable.
    nor is worrying about survival under these conditions.

  • AutismDadd

    Most likely never

  • So why do you trust their autism prevalence numbers?

  • So we can just ignore the 1/10,000 figure, then?

  • Sue

    “He had just about enough intelligence to open his mouth when he wanted to eat, but certainly no more.”
    ― P.G. Wodehouse
    This one is for you BABY

  • AutismDadd

    Sure Ken and have another beer

  • AutismDadd

    Where did I state I did? I quoted them only. I’m sure its worse when two states have 1 in 27 for boys.

  • eggman2

    I just talked to a woman from Uruguay. In Uruguay they passed a law making it illegal the use of vaccines in children. The legislature there reached that verdict because of scientific studies showing brain damage and other damages that are caused by vaccines. I couldn’t get any more information, for it was a brief conversation.

    So how you know ! The next world power will be Uruguay because everyone else is stupid about vaccines. Uruguay will have the brain power to overtake a world of zombies created by vaccines. That is if people like us the antivaccine crowd are not able to convince the rest.

  • eggman2

    I was telling a group of propaganda prostitutes ( or maybe just plain stupid people ) how when I have been about to fall sick with tetanus ( because I know the symptoms ), I just overdose on vitamin C, and the symptoms go away.

    It has only happened about twice or thrice in my life, but it is very effective.

  • I keep trying to lob this to you underhand, but it keeps going over your head.

    If the 1 in 10,000 figure came from the CDC, does that mean it’s a bad figure? Or does the CDC sometimes have good figures that you can rely on?

  • If you’re quoting them to make a point, that implies that have some amount of trust in them. Are the numbers from those two states reliable?

  • Jesus baby

    Wodehouse was a traitor.

  • Sue

    Well i was using his statement… but it does show you are either an enormously negative person or as I said really stupid.. I would say both.. BABY

  • Sarah Connors

    And you were 100% sure it was legitimate tetanus each time? How?

  • Sarah Connors

    There aren’t any potential pandemics, because we can’t possibly know when one is near. That argument is silly to pretend you can tell the future of diseases or of anything for that matter.

  • AutismDadd

    No it implies I can read and their numbers are shocking.

  • AutismDadd

    CDC figures are CDC figures. It doesn’t involve my opinion

  • So you’re taking the CDC’s word that these figures are accurate? You believe the CDC is telling the truth?

    Also: Do you understand that numbers from different years can mean different things?

  • Nikka80

    Vaccines lowered my intelligence?!!! That must be why I only attained two M.S. degrees instead of a PhD. But my brother is a PhD and he got all the same vaccines that I did!

  • Jesus baby

    Oh I’m sure he at least had lockjaw.

  • eggman2

    So you , and probably also your brother, are like the great learned men of the middle ages that thought that Cristoforo Co!ombo was crazy because he ” believed ” ( That was a belief then. ) that the Earth was round. Or maybe you guys are like the great minds of the medieval Catholic Church that told Galileo Galilei to shut up and to stop his observations of the Universe. Or maybe you guys are like the great minds of Germany that rejected Einstein’s theory of relativity.

    Some of the crap that you learn in school, if you put them in paper , are not even good to clean yourselves where the sun doesn’t shine. The Theory of Vaccines is one of such craps.

    Like this article points out , there are many substances in nature to help your live better.
    But adding pollution with obnoxious material into the body to create conditions for which one has no control thereof, is one of the most stupid ideas that men like you have been able to entertain. Modern junk medical pseudoscience is supported by stupid minds like yours. Vaccines are a good example of modern pseudoscientific junk medicine.

    Hasta la vista baby !

  • AutismDadd

    Re-read my last reply

  • Jesus baby

    Anti-vaxxer calling other people stupid – ironic isn’t it Sue?

  • Your last reply still doesn’t answer the question.

  • Sue

    When did I say I was anti vaccines.. I am proud choice and pro safety.. stupid people can’t comprehend… BABY… ironic no choice yes.. brain dead like you no

  • Jesus baby

    Lol right. So which vaccines do you recommend? (As if you’d actually answer)

  • Sue

    Wow.. you laugh in the face of choice and safety. Land of the free eh.. and you suggest you are not stupid.. every post you show how stupid you are BABY..

  • Jesus baby

    If nothing else you’re predictable.

  • Sue

    See what I mean stupid.. you say anything .. and what you say is well stupid.. reverse the predictable.. as you won’t be able to help coming back with another stupid comment BABY..And yes now I am laughing out loud..lol

  • AutismDadd

    Good

  • Sue

    No I live in a country where their is choice and we do not get published in anyway if we choose not to.. are you suggesting every country has that freedom.. if so great.. but we know that is not true….

  • I guess in the pro-disease world, evasive, uninformative answers are “good.”

  • Jesus baby

    Good, Sue. Get it all out of your system.

  • Sue

    Well who is the predictable one now… yes stupid your replies make no sense.. but so predictable lol

  • I am asking if there is any place in the western world that *jails* parents for not vaccinating their children?

  • Sonja Henie

    I know the answer! But I’ll wait for Sue.

  • Nikka80

    LOL – Self diagnosis for tetanus!

  • Sue

    Well how about you investigating that.. you are the one who asks the question
    . Are you suggesting because you ask a question that you have expectations that those asked must answer.. you are sure full of your own importance are you not..And if you don’t know the answer well you are not very informed..And why only the western world?

  • You are the one that claimed parents were forced to vaccinate their kids – it is your responsibility to support it. I expect people to support their claim, yes. Shifting the burden of proof was nicely done there, btw.

    Ah and insults don’t help.

    As for “If I don’t know the answer…”, it’s actually irrelevant whether I know the answer or not. Your claim = your obligation to support it.

    As for why only the western world….well, I know that in certain places like Nigera and the like, there are parents forced to vaccinate their child, for one and two, if I used the death stats worldwide, you’d object, right?

  • Still dodging the question.

  • Do you have evidence of it?

  • Okay – if vaccines are solely for profit and really evil and terrible – why are countries with socialized medicine going along with it?

  • I’m not a telepath.

    So if they’re such idiot questions why can’t you answer them.

    Again, what do you think making a claim is?

  • So…. even if you have some bona fide reason that prevents you answering baby due to her actual screen-name….why can’t you answer me?

  • Nikka80

    This is a hollow response with meaningless memes… Science in the middle ages has little or no resemblance to the strong logic, observation, evidence, and statistical analysis based science of today which generates supportable consensus.

  • I would like evidence for ALL your claims. Got any?

  • What do you think a public health system is?

  • 200 years of global scientific and medical consensus.

  • Sue

    What are my claims

  • Sue

    And you don’t think families feel the pressure when they are blackmailed through no childcare and no family payments which is in the thousands.. come on are you that stupid…

  • Sue

    Ha ha the only dodger is people who use that ploy to cover up there stupidity

  • Sue

    Hey give me evidence it is wrong

  • Sue

    Governments mom yes well let people have choice.. we have to wonder why there is not epidemics when so many adults are unable vaccinated.. time takes away witnesses … even you should have enough brains to figure that one…

  • Sue

    What claim pray tell.. seems you are good at your suggestion people are stating things.. but all you share is cut and paste get adds.. wow let’s listen to you.. lol

  • Sue

    Why don’t you answer .. because it is a choice.. and yes I have asked you a question.. but this is your ploy you and your merry men.. do you really think people are fooled by your posts.. my dear that is just you ranting and raving… I mean who posts 1 post after another .. I can quite imagine in your personal life you lack friendships with your bullying type of personality.. oh well this is your life I guess.. lol

  • Sue

    200 years is a drop in the bucket.. humans have been around for about 150 to 200 thousand years.. and mankind is only been saved in the last 200 years.. see what I mean stupid..how did we survive before then.. oh dear…. yes I am sure you will bring up plagues.. however we do have far better Living conditions and we wash our hands.. etc etc.. gosh you are a wally..lol

  • Sue

    I guess this how you work.. post post post crap and try to intimidate as those do remember vaccines.. you really are a sheep…

  • AutismDadd

    You’re thinking about CDC and VAERS

  • The poor way these articles are written would be hilarious if people weren’t getting awful medical advice from them. Citations 2 and 8 are from this website. You can’t cite yourself in an argument, that holds 0 water. An actual citation like number 5 about vitamin c is actually from a real source but even that one is misrepresented. The study calls for daily IV injections of vitamin C in addition to standard treatment for tetanus. Daily IV injections are a little more invasive than one vaccine. Plus right in the source there’s this fun quote “The trial was not properly conducted and caution is required in the interpretation of the findings”. But when you’re trying to peddle pseudoscience I guess you can’t be too picky with your journal articles.

  • You are ignoring reality that clearly shows you the truth about that, and if you had the honesty to look for it and realize it. You choose can deliberate ignorance, or your can choose the evidence of reality, your choice.

  • You are ignorant by choice…so called J baby. I think vactruth should ban you for deliberate mockery and harassment of Evangelical and Catholic faiths, borderline to being blasphemy. Obviously as well you exist as flying in the face of religious freedom. Perhaps living in North Korea would be more suited for your desired life style.

  • Jesus baby

    Lol you wrote that after you just said,”This is about the vaccine issues, and not just an attempted personal attack on me… When that doesn’t work for you-you just spin it around again and say, lets try this. What do you not understand about that your attempted bullying game, isn’t working?”

  • So all they are doing is in fact, making sure that the consequences of *your* decisions affect your kids and your kids alone. Why is this ‘forcing’ again?

    As for being up the parent’s butts to get them done, that’s an easily solved problem. Write a letter withdrawing your kids to homeschool them.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    “Put unvaccinated children in jail” said the shill.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    If you fear disease so much than homeschool your kids. What’s next? No unvaccinated children allowed in stores? At the water fountain? Back of the bus you unvaccinated wretch.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    Vaccinating has consequences as well, you just refuse to acknowledge them.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    Nom Dumb Disqus will demand evidence as well.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    You have not backed a claim or had an original thought to date. Just propaganda pictures and denial of facts.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    It’s not effort responding to you padawan, it’s just patience.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    “You are the one that claimed parents were forced to vaccinate their kids – it is your responsibility to support it. I expect people to support their claim.”

    You mean like denying welfare? Denying tax funded school attendance? Daycare? Basically stripping the parents ability to work, which vaccines can certainly do when they give children autism.

  • Quite clearly, the only nonsensical posts made here, are your own. In your obvious level of hypocrisy, how as well has your own bullying game been going here; quite obviously not to well. Come on, make another post, and see if you can make it even more twisted than the last one. You know you are so good at that.

  • Jesus baby

    And you now talk about hypocrisy.

  • Don’t be silly, Jeff.

    Your child’s vaccine-free status is not an immutable characteristic.

  • And why is being expected to provide evidence so terrible? I mean, if you KNOW your kid is vaccine-injured or if you KNOW….well, anything at all…really, then you MUST have evidence for it. That’s kind of how knowledge works.

  • You mean the one with the sources to back them up?

    Not that it matters. Do we need to talk about Great-Granny Edith again?

  • Nope, I don’t refuse to acknowledge them. I refuse to accept your lies about the consequences. Two different things

  • Then you’ll have no trouble quoting-and-linking to where I said that.

    And following it up with a paycheque, internal instruction document or testable falsifiable definition.

    And of course, we should not put unvaccinated children in jail. It’s not their fault their parents do stupid shit.

  • Fine. Then Sue’s putting a lot of patience into responding me without answering me.

  • Sue, can you explain about other countries in the world?

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    “And following it up with a paycheque, internal instruction document or testable falsifiable definition.”

    That is an awful lot of demands for a comment section.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    “And following it up with a paycheque, internal instruction document or testable falsifiable definition.”

    Sure, right after you provide your assessment and proof that you received an autism diagnosis.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    “Nope, I don’t refuse to acknowledge them.”

    Are vaccines a potentially dangerous medical intervention?

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    “Do we need to talk about Great-Granny Edith again?”

    Sure, tell me about Great-Granny Edith because I am not familiar.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    “And why is being expected to provide evidence so terrible?”

    When provided evidence you ignore it, also, you demand evidence that is unattainable in relation to you being a paid commenter hired by a PR firm.

    I provide evidence of why I thing you are paid, people can look at the evidence and make their own decision. Simple as that.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    I also believe that you have multiple sock puppet accounts and do not have an autism diagnosis. I can hold these beliefs and state them without being required to provide you with undeniable evidence to the contrary.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    “Don’t be silly, Jeff.Your child’s vaccine-free status”

    My children are vaccinated.

  • Acleron

    The money quote on the claim that vit A protects or cures measles from Ref 7.

    “There was no significant reduction in mortality in the vitamin A group when all the studies were pooled together (RR 0.60; 95% CI 0.32 to 1.12)”

    Only in the subgroup analysis can they find some positive effects. This is just cherry picking.

  • Why would it be unattainable? Surely, you would have the evidence before making an accusation?

  • Define potentially-dangerous.

    If you mean ‘potentially dangerous in that they cause autism’ then no.

    Otherwise, this isn’t magical fairytale land where any course of action has zero risks.

  • See, I haven’t *accused* you of anything.

  • They’re OPTIONS.

    And it is what is needed for evidence. Now, if you can’t support it in a comment section, don’t make the claims in a comment section. Really not a hard concept.

  • *their

  • You are the one making the claim. It is your responsibility to support it.

  • Whyever would asking you for evidence be intimidating? You naturally already have it which is why you know it’s all wrong.

  • Yeah. It’s easy to figure out: The germ doesn’t care HOW you got the immunity.

    And can you please name a country where there is no choice at all? Please note that consequences don’t mean a choice is not there.

  • No, I’m begging you to TELL US about your evidence so we can LISTEN TO YOU.

  • Your claims are that:

    1)Vaccines cause autism

    2)Ken. S is being paid

    3)And the one about the big global conspiracy.

    I repeat: Do you have any evidence at all for any of them?

  • Well, in order for you to *know* we *know* we are wrong, you really need evidence for both those claims.

    Which is:

    1)That we’re wrong

    and

    2)We know this.

    ….Got any?

  • I would love to read your research! What journal did you publish in?

  • No, I mean like jailing or holding down – you know, *forcing*.

    And again, it is obvious that vaccines don’t cause autism since there is no difference in rates.

  • I never said or implied they didn’t feel the pressure. But you said parents were FORCED to vaccinate their kids. I was expecting some actual…you know…FORCE.

    But now that you mention it:

    It’s either smarter than 99% of all the relevant experts or too dumb to figure out a way forward in light of the consequences of your choice – not both.

  • Mike Stevens

    Yes, Kiko, let’s see a link to where she said that.
    You wouldn’t want people to think you were LYING again, so I expect a link to be provided with your next comment.

  • Okay, fine.

    Don’t be silly, Jeff. A child’s vaccine-free status is not an immutable characteristic.

  • Great-Granny Edith smokes like a chimney and drinks like a fish.

    When she tells you not to do either, she is actually correct.

    Telling her that she’s wrong because she does those things actually commits two fallacies in one:

    1)The ad hominem tu quoque fallacy (You may recognize this being called out as “Two wrongs don’t make a right!” or else “I don’t care who started it. I’m finishing it!”

    2)The fallacy fallacy. Just because someone presented their argument poorly doesn’t make them wrong.

  • Quote-and-link to where I said that, thanks.

  • “who posts 1 post after another.”

    Um…anyone that posts more than one post?

  • Mike Stevens

    Ouch! That one hurt…

  • Umm…why are you citing the CDC, an AMERICAN system in a country with a PRIVATE healthcare system and calling it a PUBLIC health system?

    Why are you calling it MY system when I’m in the U.K?

  • “I also believe that you have multiple sock puppet accounts.” Fine. I will ask if you have any evidence.

    “and do not have an autism diagnosis.” Doesn’t matter. I don’t need your belief in a fact. That’s what makes them facts.

    “I can hold these beliefs and state them without being required.” Of course you can. We run into problems when you state them as facts and don’t have evidence.

    “provide you with undeniable evidence to the contrary.”

    Of course. One of the options was a testable falsifiable definition that runs both ways. You can attain this evidence, surely?

  • Sue

    Ha ha so you are suggesting that people have a choice are you when they can can not send their children to daycare, etc, loose money from the government.. You are such a caring kind individual .. force.. choice..
    Nom Dumb Disqus….. to dictate to others what you want. A choice ……. Another expression for having no real choice is between a rock and a hard place. It is often used to describe a difficult situation with few choices, none of them good. So you can say all you want .. but the word choice does not always mean choice.. and if you had half a brain you would realise this..

  • Sue

    Oh thank you for that explanation.. Wow you are a bright individual . lol.. must be all those toxins you put in your veins…

  • Sue

    Ha ha UK and I care why???

  • Yes, they do have a choice.

    They can CHOOSE to vaccinate or they can CHOOSE to look after their kid themselves or hire a nanny etc.

    They may not LIKE either of their choices but it doesn’t prevent it from being a CHOICE.

    It’s still not force. Mayyyybe coercion.

  • Answer the questions, please, Sue.

  • At least I can tell the difference between muscle and skin and vein.

    Oh and toxins better describes natural immunity to pertussis.

  • We were talking about why public health systems would go along with the conspiracy.

    Why ever did you mention the CDC, an organisation from a country with a private health system?

  • Sue

    Well yes I new you would come back with they have a choice.. but we both know that that is not always the case.. so keep on keeping on with your posts lol … as it seems to me you are the sort of person no matter what information was presented to you .. you would always believe you are right… Remember choice is only taken also when presented with honest information .. and that is something that is not readily available in the medically industry.. There’s another point you can argue about lol/….

  • Call my bluff then then everyone else knows I’m a stubborn fool who can’t be persuaded and knows to ignore me.

    And yes, honest information is readily available. Like in the inserts that sites like this one extort you to read?

  • Well, do you know what it’s called when you insist on not having any consequences to your choice?

    A tantrum.

  • Sue

    Yes of course you would say that .. and there it lies of people like you suggesting there is a choice but then stating if you choose not what is wanted it is a tantrum.. I rest my case….

  • Sue

    Sadly it is people like you that your stubbornness has terrible consequences for our babies and children..

  • Of course there’s a choice.

    Vaccinate or homeschool. Choose between unvaccination and education in a school, for example.

    Choosing both = tantrum.

  • What do you mean not always the case?

    You don’t expect me to believe that people smarter than 99% of the relevant experts are too dumb to figure out a way to homeschool, do you?

  • Sue

    You know and i know you are another BiG Pharma well do we dare name it lol TROLL.. and I am hoping all you readers of these posts mat well want to watch how you see through TROLLS like……and don’t listen when Nom Dumb Disqus feeds bull about tnhis .. but do listne to the yioutube clip about how not to full for such utter bull…..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU

  • Oh, well, if you KNOW it then you’ll have no trouble proving it. Kindly get on with it.

  • Prove that widespread universal fraud.

  • Jeff/Bridgit/Kiko

    Nom Dumb suck her thumb
    Does she have evidence?
    Not a crumb.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Rubbish. Uruguay doesn’t even let unvaccinated kids into public school. http://www.msp.gub.uy/publicación/programa-nacional-de-vacunaciones

  • Do you need a description of the term?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

  • Jesus baby

    I just think of you, Lowell.

  • That’s READING. Liberally-referenced reading, I grant you, but RESEARCH involves doing experiments and publishing in peer-reviewed literature as a FIRST step.

  • Or Lowell’s not a skeptic.

    Just….

    Mary,Mary, Quite Contrary.

  • Well then, just keep on thinking there bull$hit baby…you obviously very SICK and demented man.

  • Jesus baby

    I think you’re taking this very personally.

  • Sue

    Oh deary deary you are Quite Contrary Dumb Nom… quite..

  • Sue

    Oh I don’t expect you to believe anything Dumb Nom.. as you are presuming you know so much about the relevant experts.. so I am sure you know Dumb Nom what I mean..
    or are you to Dumb Nom to understand?? Which could be the case… lol

  • Sue

    Hey there Dumb Nom.. there you go ordering folks around again…

  • Sue

    Oh and I am sure those experiments will be on the less fortunate eh Dunb Nom….

  • ??

  • I don’t know much about them – that’s why I don’t think I know better than them.

  • I am merely pointing out how logic works.

  • I’m not the one pretending there’s a global conspiracy.

  • Vaccinate or ME or homeschool.

    Drink or drive.

    Sounds like pro-choice to me.

  • I think you are obviously making it personal, but no …your replies mean nothing to me. That is just simply how I reply to people like you.

  • Jesus baby

    And look where it’s gotten you!

  • Really? And where is that, no identity, J baby? Any person with any honesty can see what a cold hearted and sorry arse ignoramus you are. Full of nothing repeated misinformation, denial, and only more re-parroted false vaccine propaganda.

  • Jesus baby

    Where is that lol. Yeah Lowell you’re just doing awesome!

  • Sarah

    Vitamin A helps your eyesight that’s about it

  • Sarah

    You’re right, it is my choice. and the reality is you’re narcissistic and wrong

  • Sarah

    Stupid people make me sad. Move on, crazy.

  • Sarah

    Yeah I’m soooo scared. Please FDA don’t do any studies!!
    They can do whatever the hell they want but they won’t because they know the outcome so why waste the time and money on a handful of crazies begging them for “Even more studies”

  • Sarah

    I’m sure

  • Sarah

    aw damn that’s why I’m so dumb

  • Sarah

    definitely not a scholar

  • Ron Roy

    Compare to you Damo, Acleron, Andrew Lazarus, Jesus Baby etc. etc. he’s not only a scholar he’s a GENIUS and an HONEST MAN.

  • Ron Roy

    Vitamin A also supports the immune system which that in itself is VERY important. ”Supports your eyesight that’s about i.” You say that as if your eyesight was something trivial. Typical shill reply.

  • sabelmouse

    yup! and also; everything is serrate.

  • Sarah

    Uh , no. I like my eyesight. I’m trying to prove the point that it’s a vitamin, it doesn’t do anything super spectacular. Yes it helps your eyesight and immune system but how could a vitamin form antibodies and kill off a virus?? It’s just not logical

  • Sarah

    LOL that’s a good one. Why don’t you just propose.

  • Ron Roy

    My girlfriend would object and I don’t swing that way. Sorry.

  • Ron Roy

    Eat a good healthy diet and take a few vitamin mineral supplements, as a precaution, stay away from sugar and carbs as much as possible and don’t follow Jonathan Graham’s example on diet and you won’t have to worry about any virus. See wasn’t that easy?

  • Ron Roy

    ”Daily IV injections are a little more invasive than one vaccine.” But nowhere near as deadly. Vaccines contain a slew of ingredients that should NEVER be injected into anyone.

  • Acleron

    If you have a healthy diet, why waste money on supplements.

  • Acleron

    Completely ridiculous statement.

    You have yet to provide the slightest evidence that the excipients of a vaccine are toxic at the dose injected.

  • Ron Roy

    Quotes

    “And combination of substances in toxicology can be greater than the sum of
    its parts. “With lead and mercury, for instance, a toxicity rating of 1
    for each mercury and lead equals not 2, but 60 when combined.”—Hal Huggins

    We now know that aluminum causes significant abnormalities in
    neurotubules, microscopic tubes in neurons essential to their function, and
    these abnormal neurotubules are strongly associated with Alzheimer’s disease.
    Aluminum enters the brain by a number of mechanisms, for example by attaching to
    glutamate and fluoride. With the widespread use of the excitotoxin glutamate as
    a food additive and fluoride being added to drinking water supplies, aluminum
    absorption is common. In addition, injected aluminum can complex with fluoride
    within the body to produce a compound, fluoroaluminum, that has a number of
    harmful effects, including brain injury. There is some evidence that fluoride
    can trigger microglial activation and excitotoxicity, which in combination is
    particularly injurious to the brain. (Blaylock, RL. Fluoride 2004:37(4);301
    -314.)

    Vaccine Safety Manual by Neil Z. Miller. (Preface)

    A multitude of studies have shown that

    Aluminium, especially if combined with
    fluoride, is a powerful brain toxin and that it accumulates in the brain.
    How Vaccines Can Damage Your Brain:
    Vaccines, Depression and Neurodegeneration After Age 50: Another Reason to Avoid
    the Recommended Vaccines By Russell
    L. Blaylock, M.D.

    “We have demonstrated the
    toxicity of thimerosal by using it to kill neurons in culture. At 50 nanomolar thimerosal
    the neuron killing capacity/rate is about doubled with the addition of levels of
    aluminium found in vaccines. The aluminium alone at this level is not
    demonstrated to be toxic, so it is enhancing the toxicity of the thimerosal. It likely
    does this by increasing the rate that thimerosal breaks down releasing ethylmercury which
    is the toxic material” ——-Testimony Prof Boyd Haley, University of Kentucky, Chair
    and Head of Chemistry…….

    Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which officials
    at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not consider, is
    synergistic toxicity – mercury’s enhanced effect when other poisons are
    present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of
    aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking
    effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a
    1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality
    rate if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain
    aluminum. Mercury on the
    Mind by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

    “One publication showed that combining mercury and
    lead both at LD1 levels caused the killing rate to go to 100% or to an LD100
    level (12). An LD1 level is where, due to the low concentrations, the mercury
    or the lead alone was not very toxic alone (i.e., killed less than 1% of rats
    exposed when metal were used alone). The 100% killing, when addition of 1% plus
    1% we would expect 2%, represents synergistic toxicity. Therefore, mixing to
    non-lethal levels of mercury plus lead gave an extremely toxic mixture! What
    this proves is that one cannot define a “safe level of mercury” unless you
    absolutely know what others toxicants the individual is being exposed to.
    The
    combined toxicity of various materials, such as mercury, Thimerosal,
    lead, aluminum, formaldehyde, etc., is unknown. The effects various
    combinations of
    these toxicants would have is also not defined except that we know they
    would be
    much worse than any one of the toxicants alone. So how could the ADA
    take any
    exception, based on intellectual considerations, to my contention that
    combinations of Thimerosal and mercury could exacerbate the neurological

    conditions identified with autism and AD? Autism and AD have clinical
    and
    biological markers that correspond to those observed in patients with
    toxic
    mercury exposure. Why would the ADA take this position? I personally
    feel like
    I have been in a ten-year argument with the town drunk on this issue.
    Facts
    don’t count and data is only valid if it meets the pro-amalgam agenda……The
    synergistic effects of mercury with many of the toxicants commonly found in our
    environment make the danger unpredictable and possibly quite severe, especially
    any mixture containing elemental mercury, organic mercury and other heavy metal
    toxicants such as aluminum.”–Boyd Haley
    http://www.whale.to/m/haley.html

    “A single vaccine given to a six-pound newborn is the equivalent of
    giving a 180-pound adult 30 vaccinations on the same day.
    Include in this the toxic effects of high levels of aluminum and formaldehyde
    contained in some vaccines, and the synergist toxicity could be increased to unknown
    levels. Further, it is very well known that
    infants do not produce significant levels of bile or have adult renal capacity for several
    months after birth. Bilary transport is the
    major biochemical route by which mercury is removed from the body, and infants cannot do
    this very well. They also do not possess the
    renal (kidney) capacity to remove aluminum. Additionally, mercury is a well-known
    inhibitor of kidney function.”–Boyd Haley Ph.D.

    Antibiotics
    [See:
    Neomycin (MMR vaccine)]

    “Studies on the toxicity of mercury to mammalian neurons in
    culture demonstrate that low nanomolar levels can have lethal effects.
    Experiments using this system have also demonstrated, in agreement with
    published literature, that many antibiotics, other heavy metals and chemicals
    increase the toxicity of mercury and thimerosal (ethyl mercury). Additionally,
    in this same system the female hormone estrogen decreases thimerosal’s toxic
    effects. In contrast, the male hormone testosterone greatly increases the
    toxicity. This may explain the 4 to 1 ratio of boys to girls that become
    autistic and the observation that boys represent the vast majority of the severe
    cases of autism. “—Boyd
    Haley, Ph.D. (Testimony Before the House Government
    Reform Committee)

    “Also, it’s not only those children, but those who are on
    antibiotics are much more susceptible to all types of mercury toxicity, because
    antibiotics have been shown in experiments with rats to prevent the excretion of
    mercury. So, it builds up in the bodies of these children……The
    same thing with diets: milk diets increase the retention of mercury in the
    bodies of children….the diet, the antibiotics and
    what we call synergistic toxicity of the exposure to other heavy metals, which
    is rampant in this country.
    Interview of Dr. Boyd E.
    Haley by Teri Small

    Both ampicillin and tetracycline have been shown to enhance
    the neuron-killing effect of thimerosal, perhaps by enhancing its delivery
    to specific sites….Other heavy metals (Pb, Cd, Zn). Lead plus mercury has an effect 50
    times that predicted from simply adding the individual effects.
    More on Thimerosal & things that synergistically increase the toxicity

  • Ron Roy

    I have a relatively new home wiring. plumbing, roof, everything up to code or better yet I have homeowners insurance why? It’s just a safety net. I eat healthy exercise etc. but I do take supplements. Why as a safety net.

  • Acleron

    LMAO, note garbage from the pigswill.

    Nonsense quotes demonstrating that you both cannot read properly and know no science are not gaining any respect.

    We have clinical trial results, they outweigh all your anecdotes and tissue culture experiments.

    As there is no mercury in vaccines, do you seriously expect anybody to take your mercury lead analogy seriously.

    We know the adverse effect rate in vaccines because it has been measured. All your made up numbers are just ludicrous.

  • Acleron

    Except it isn’t, taking overdoses seldom works well.

  • Ron Roy