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Anti-Vaccinators and their Brave Fight Since the Smallpox Vaccine

With the development of the very first vaccination of smallpox, brave anti-vaccinators fought against the dangerous, ill-advised practice of vaccinations. Those fighting against vaccines included the most intelligent and respected physicians of their time. [1]

This fight has been steadfast and continuous, as anti-vaccinators fought against an unjust, dangerous medical procedure. Vaccinations have always only profited the vaccine makers, not the people targeted for vaccines. Today’s anti-vaccination movement, while still in the minority, is most likely the largest we have had in history.

First Anti-Vaccinators

The smallpox vaccine was first developed in 1775, credited to Edward Jenner, who first experimented with an eight year-old boy named James Phipps. Jenner claimed that the procedure of injecting cowpox pus prevented smallpox and he convinced King George that his vaccine would eliminate smallpox. King George awarded Jenner the equivalent of half a million dollars to inoculate the public against smallpox.

After widespread vaccinations, the Smallpox Hospital in London reported a steady, disturbing increase in smallpox cases, rising from 5% to 96% by 1885. Mortality rates from smallpox also rose. The smallpox vaccine caused many diseases including syphilis, tuberculosis and leprosy.

A group of anti-vaccinators fought against the new practice of vaccines, witnessing its devastating effects. Leading medical authorities, including M.Depaul, Chief of the Vaccination Service of the French Academy of Medicine, Dr. A Wilder, Professor of Pathology and former editor of New York Medical Times, and Dr. Maclean, all spoke out against the dangers of the smallpox vaccinations.

These first brave anti-vaccinators knew they were fighting an uphill, impossible battle because money and profits were to be made by this new experimental medical procedure.

Little has changed in the basic fight against vaccines, except today vaccinations are even more entrenched into our medical health care system and psyche. The medical myth of vaccine safety and effectiveness is one of the strongest and most dangerous accepted medical procedures of our time, with huge government investments being made to expand vaccine programs. [2]

Polio Vaccine Continued the Vaccine Myth

The polio vaccine continued the vaccine myth. Individuals receiving the polio vaccination continued to develop polio. Statistical manipulation, after the vaccine creation, changed the diagnosis requirements of polio to show a reduction of disease outbreaks. Improvements in treatment also reduced the number of polio cases reported.

Vaccine graphs show that polio and several other disease outbreaks were reduced in countries prior to the introduction of vaccines. Improvements in sanitation are, in reality, responsible for disease reduction in several countries. [3, 4]

Anti-Vaccinator Charles M. Higgins

In his passionate anti-vaccination petition to the President of the United States, anti-vaccinator Charles M. Higgins requested an end to the practice of compulsory vaccinations for those in the Army and Navy. Higgin’s petition was published in 1920. He quoted, “Every law not based on wisdom is a menace to the state.”

Higgins argued wisely that compulsory vaccinations were unconstitutional. He shared several quotes from fellow anti-vaccinators of his time:

“This amazing act is the homicidal insanity of a whole profession. This is blood assassination.”  – Dr. James J. Garth Wilkinson, 1876

“It is unwise for the physician to force the operation upon those who are unwilling, or to give assurances of absolute harmlessness.” –  Dr. Osler

“Vaccination is not always a harmless procedure; it must be looked upon as the production of an acute infectious disease.” – Dr. Milton J. Rosenau, 1914

“Against the body of a healthy man Parliament has no right of assault whatever, under pretence of the public health.” – Professor F. W. Newman of Oxford

“Vaccination is a delusion, its penal enforcement a crime.” – Professor Alfred Russel Wallace, 1899

In painstaking and extensive detail, Higgins describes multiple cases of soldiers, as well as children, who were perfectly healthy prior to vaccinations, but then suffered severe negative health consequences, including death, following vaccination.

Higgins argued that compulsory vaccinations were not mandated for soldiers serving in England. He discussed how deaths from vaccinations were greater than those from smallpox disease. Higgins argued against the unfair punitive consequence of imprisonment for soldiers who refused vaccinations. He reported that current epidemics of disease were largely caused by vaccinations. [5]

Today’s Growing Anti-Vaccine Movement

The internet has raised awareness of vaccine dangers and has provided easier access to vaccination facts. This access to important health information is essential, given that most vaccination news presented by mainstream media is one-sided and pro-vaccination in nature.

Pharmaceutical companies are major sponsors of advertising, so they exert strong control over news reported.

With the growing numbers of vaccine-damaged people, resulting from an increase in vaccinations, it is probable that the anti-vaccine movement is larger than ever before, although still a minority view.

Physicians are noticing the change in parental views on vaccines. In 2013, 87% of pediatricians reported parents refusing to vaccinate their children in their belief that vaccines were unnecessary, in a report made by a survey of pediatricians, conducted by the American Academy of Pediatricians. This percentage was an increase from a previous survey completed in 2006. [6]

In the growing integrative medicine movement, many truth-seeking physicians and scientists have spoken out against vaccines. These include Andrew Wakefield, MD; Boyd Haley, PhD; Frank Engley, MD; Mayer Eisenstein, MD; Richard Haverson, MD; Bob Sears, MD; Julie Buckley, MD; Chris Shaw, PhD; David Berger, MD; Toni Bark, MD; Ken Stoller, MD; Michael Schachter, MD; Mitchell Fleisher, MD; and Kelly Brogan, MD. [7]

Quotes from Anti-Vaccinators

Many individuals have been anti-vaccine, including some revered and famous independent thinkers. The following inspirational quotes can rally those in our movement.

“Vaccination is a barbarous practice and one of the most fatal of all the delusions current in our time. Conscientious objectors to vaccination should stand alone, if need be, against the whole world, in defense of their conviction.” – Mahatma Gandhi

“I am no longer ‘trying to dig up evidence to prove’ vaccines cause autism. There is already abundant evidence … This debate is not scientific but is political.” – David Ayoub, MD

“Nothing but the natural ignorance of the public, countenanced by the inoculated erroneousness of the ordinary general medical practitioners, makes such a barbarism as vaccination possible … Recent developments have shown that an inoculation made in the usual general practitioner’s light-hearted way, without previous highly skilled examination of the state of the patient’s blood, is just as likely to be a simple manslaughter as a cure or preventive. But vaccination is nothing short of attempted murder. A skilled bacteriologist would just as soon think of cutting his child’s arm and rubbing the contents of the dustpan into the wound, as vaccinating it in the same.” – George Bernard Shaw

“The fact is that sooner or later, Andrew Wakefield will be exonerated, his theory will be accepted, and a vaccine-autism connection will be proven.” – FE Yazbak, MD, FAAP

How You Can Join the Anti-Vaccine Cause

It is important to continue to read and share stories on alternative health news sites which tell the truth about vaccinations. If you have been damaged by vaccines, it is important to share your own personal story about vaccine damage to those willing to listen with an open mind.

Education is power, so continue to learn the truths about vaccine dangers. Educate congressional representatives if you have contacts with those in elected positions. We must all together continue fighting this insidious injustice which is quickly becoming a national health disaster.

References:

  1. http://holistichealthtogo.com/vaccinations/the-great-medical-myth…
  2. https://vactruth.com/2016/09/10/dangerous-adult-vaccinations/
  3. http://whale.to/a/graphs.html
  4. http://whale.to/vaccines/decline1.html
  5. https://vactruth.com/download/vaccination_exposed.pdf
  6. http://www.medpagetoday.com/Pediatrics/Vaccines/59915
  7. http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/12/dr-stephanie-seneff…vaccine-safety.html

 

Michelle Goldstein
 

Michelle Goldstein is a mental health therapist who is passionate about holistic health, natural healing, nutrient-dense foods and the politics that impact them. She has published articles for Natural News, VacTruth, and other health websites. All of her published articles to date can be found at her health website, Holistic Health to Go. She can also be followed on her Facebook Page.

  • Jesus baby

    Keep your chins up guys. The flat-earthers are still fighting an uphill battle too!

  • Why do you keep on making reply posts exposing your denial, and as well your obvious, and deliberate ignorance?

  • Ruth

    I’ll try and take a guess at this one. Some people get really upset if their long held belief systems are questioned. This is particularly difficult for them if this belief system is backed up by authority, because authority is meant to ‘care’ for them, and ‘look after’ them, as they have abrogated their responsibility to ‘care’ for themselves, and possibly even think for themselves. They find this questioning of their belief system threatening and they are too lazy to think for themselves. They’d rather be told what to do and often have black and white thinking.

    They effectively ‘hate’ anything which makes them uncomfortable and they really want to go back to sleep or just stick their heads in the sand and go back to have authority treating them like babies.

    In the historical context the flat-earthers were just like pro-vaxxers. They just got told that the earth was flat and were quite happen to believe in what authority told them – not their place to think for themselves. In the modern context flat-earthers are somewhat ‘different’ (bat-shit crazy loons meant to discredit and distract). Both of these are quite interesting phenomenon especially when used as labels in a discussion meant to discredit.

    I guess it helps if a person always questions stuff, both relating to how they think themselves, and to how others think instead of just trying to distract, discredit and label. But, some people will never easily be able to do the former, as it is very hard for them to come out of their mental comfort zones. So, they carry on like fools. Continuing to do, as you said; the obvious.

  • Jesus baby

    Do you believe in germ theory Ruthie? (Lowell doesn’t)

  • The issue for you is that you do not properly understand the so called germ theory, and any more than big pharma schooled and mislead workings of the chemical and pharma based medical establishment does. For you, to understand it properly, exposes a level of obvious failure within the standard medical monopoly, that you are not about to allow yourself to realize, and nor to recognize. You are only as ignorant and mislead, as you choose to be.

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

  • Jesus baby

    See? Hey Lowell, where are those microzymes?

  • Standard ignorant shill response. No one cares about the scientific proof of and the identification of a microzyme. As I said, you fail to understand the true concepts of the germ theory. The issue is much bigger than that. Actually, it and this is so basic and simple that even you should be able to understand it, but you refuse to. Just like you fail to comprehend how and why vaccines dysregulate the immune system, and especially multiple vaccines.

  • Jesus baby

    You don’t even understand the long-debunked theory you believe in. Bechamp’s entire theory relies on microzymes and sadly for him they don’t exist. He’ll never be more than a footnote in history, if that.

  • No it does not. And nothing has ever bee debunked more than Pasteur’s so called version of the germ theory. How big a failure is the so called monopolized big pharma based standard medical model, today? And you refuse to see it. And why is that known failure exists; and if Pasteur’s germ theory, is so correct? Just because the big pharma money has had control of it all for the past one hundred years, makes absolutely nothing, just a footnote. Not in the world of truth and actual reality.

  • bri

    Mr Hubbs, Save your fingers and don’t bother to reply to baby Jesus. People who throw an insult, rather than put some useful information, are often paid by ‘The Man’. Just look up their profile on disqus (click on the name) see all their comments. Then you’ll see a heap of baby’s insults..and no actual useful comment. Baby Jesus has a follower called Sarah, who does the same sort of stupid comments on Vactruth.

  • Danny Harnish

    You’re a paid troll.

  • Jesus baby

    “No it does not.”

    Thank you for proving my point. If you weren’t such a fraud and actually bothered to read the garbage you copy/pasted, you’d have learned this:

    “Béchamp, with his devoted co-worker, Professor Estor, developed and refined the Theory of Microzymas. The essence of this theory is that the microzyma, an independently living element, exists within all living things, and is both the builder and recycler or organisms. It inhabits cells, the fluid between cells, the blood and the lymph. In a state of health, the microzymas act harmoniously and fermentation occurs normally, beneficially. But in the condition of disease, microzymas become disturbed and change their form and function. They evolve into microscopic forms (germs) that reflect he disease and produce the symptoms, becoming what Béchamp called “morbidly evolved” microzymas.”
    So it’s not just the “terrain” (the “condition of disease”), you idiot. It takes microzymes. And since microzymes don’t exist Bechamp’s theory goes out the window. And you’re a germ theory denialist.

  • Look, you defiant and repeatedly twisted misrepresentation presenting weasel. And I might add, with an actually blashemous shill character name, and no real identity. The false germ theory applies to much more than just the issue of micozymas, and if you actually understood anything at all about it. The issue of microzymas and since the day and time of Bechamp and others that addressed similar issues; has since that time never been lab researched, and as it was done and as Bechamp conducted it. Until there is a day and time that there is funding and the ability to reopen that issue scientifically, there is no further confirmation that can be done with it and the issue. The issue of the false germ theory, and in being limited to only focusing on the issue of microzymous, sells the true knowledge about natural health, way short.

    You can choose to limit yourself to only the use of the standard big pharma educated, mislead, and monopolized medical model; that is your choice. You can falsely claim to that-that is the only option that humans have, and that they should have available; and again in falsely claiming an alternative health means to be unproven quackery. How proven is your said medical model? And you promote this intending to corral and limit everyone to only an access to the real 100 year long quackery, and being limited to only your approved and blind to your vision is exactly that, a largely failed medical model

    Basic Understanding of Naturopathic Health Care
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    Natural Protocols Recovery From Cancer
    http://www.vacfacts.info/natural-protocols-recovery-from-cancer.html

    Death By Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    Medicine Kills Millions – Medical journals report that pharmaceutical-based medicine is one of the leading causes of death & injury in developed countries. These articles explain so you can avoid becoming a victim.
    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/

    The Drug Story-A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

  • I know all about what goes on with them, but thank you. The editor/moderator of this site as well has not see the need to ban people that use what is actually a blasphemous character name. I find that offensive. Obviously almost anything and everything goes, as to vactruth reply posting.

  • Jesus baby

    “The issue of microzymas and since the day and time of Bechamp and others that addressed similar issues; has since that time never been lab researched, and as it was done and as Bechamp conducted it.”
    So now that you’ve been educated as to the importance of microzymes in Bechamp’s long-dead theory, you’re saying scientists today don’t see microzymes because they no longer use 160 year old microscopes?

  • NYC protests forced vaccination panel

    Paul Offit says it all

    Yesterday hundreds of people gathered on a bitterly cold, windswept First Avenue in Manhattan to protest an event at the New York University Langone Medical Center called “Confronting Vaccine Resistance” which featured some of the the leading proponents for forced vaccination in the United States. The demonstrators were joined by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Gary Null and VAXXED producers Del Bigtree and Polly Tommey along with the VAXXED bus.

    Joshua Coleman, a member of the VAXXED crew attempted to interview Paul Offit, a vaccine entrepreneur and advocate of seizing children who are not fully compliant with the federal vaccine schedule, who was there to speak at the meeting. Here is a link to the results which succinctly states Offit’s position (trigger warning: contains profanity.) This brief video is worth viewing.

    View Paul Offit’s video taped reaction. And this guy Offit is someone you are supposed to trust with your child’s health, in regard to vaccines? Obviously Offit thinks he is some sort of unapproachable, Wizard of Ozz? Just like when Senator Pan ran as well from an interview with the Vaxxed crew.

    VaxXed Meets Paul Offit
    Published on Nov 21, 2016

    Joshua Coleman sees Paul Offit eating breakfast in New York on November 21, 2016 and approaches him for a polite conversation. Paul wasn’t up for it. Camera and editing by Joshua Coleman.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAJdyPNWnA

    Inside the closed-to-the-public meeting NYU Langone personnel heard from a panel including Offit, State Senator Richard Pan, a pediatrician and the author of SB 277, the California bill that eliminatated personal belief exemptions, and Dorit Reiss, ostensible a faculty member at Hastings Law School in California but best known as an exceedingly active internet commenter promoting forced vaccination.

    The vaccine industry is trying to repeal laws across the United States that allow exemptions from vaccine mandates based on personal belief. A bill to repeal New York’s religious exemption was introduced last year and we expect it to return when the new legislature convenes in January.

    Senator Richard Pan runs from Vaxxed producer’s questioning
    https://vimeo.com/166083184

    SACRAMENTO SENATOR PAN RUNS AWAY FROM VAXXED MOVIE PRODUCERS
    http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/sacramento-senator-pan-runs-away-from-vaxxed-movie-producers

    Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe Official Website
    http://vaxxedthemovie.com/

    CDC Corruption is Rampant
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/cdc-corruption-rampant/

    The CDC is being influenced by corporate and political interests
    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/301432-the-cdc-is-being-being-influenced-by-corporate-and-political

    CDC Scientists Expose Agency Corruption

    The group, which claimed to represent scientists across the CDC’s diverse branches, calls itself SPIDER (Scientists Preserving Integrity, Diligence and Ethics in Research). The letter to CDC Chief of Staff, Carmen Villar, expressed alarm “about the current state of ethics at our agency.” The scientists complained that “our mission is being influenced and shaped by outside parties and rogue interests” and “circumvented by some of our leaders.”

    The scientists told Villar that, “questionable and unethical practices, occurring at all levels and in all of our respective units, threaten to undermine our credibility and reputation as a trusted leader in public health.” The letter charged that staff level scientists “are intimidated and pressed to do things they know are not right,” and that, “Senior management officials at CDC are clearly aware and even condone these behaviors.”

    Read more:
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/cdc-scientists-expose-agency-corruption/

    CDC BLOCKS TESTIMONY OF VACCINE WHISTLEBLOWER
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/cdc-blocks-testimony-vaccine-whistleblower-medical-malpractice-case/

  • What I said is that it has not been looked at and it has not been studied by any current research since that time. If you think it has been, then provide the answer as to where that was? You provided nothing but another ignoring the facts, and misleading response.

    The so called scientists today actually in the bigger picture, see less than Bechamp did years and years ago, and because they do not use darkfield blood microscopy. That technology and significantly improved today, can find the answers to many health care issues on a physiological level, that no current and standardly used microscope can do, that is used in general practice and standard research today. They are not looking at live cell blood, as this technology does.

    Again, and as with anything that can when used properly, be a useful tool that can provide real understanding of health conditions, modern pharma medicine rejects it and vilifies it, That means there is actually no real effort to understand true human physiology in regard to health care. Not by the means that they obviously could be doing it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_blood_analysis

  • Jesus baby

    Now you’re asking me to prove a negative, moron. If there are trillions of little microzymes in everything from our bodies to billions year old limestone formations as Bechamp stated (you really should read your copy/pastes sometime) why does NOONE see them? Are you saying we should do “live blood cell analysis” on rocks?

    And thanks for copy/pasting the Wiki link on it, you idiot. Another fine example of why you should read stuff before you copy/paste. I particularly like the line, “There is no scientific evidence that live blood analysis is reliable or effective, and it has been described as a fraudulent means of convincing patients that they are ill and should purchase dietary supplements[1][2][3]”.
    Do you really want to go on like this? I bet you do!

  • Jesus baby

    Where are the microzymes, Lowell?

  • Ruth

    Anyone could google that particular theory. I also believe in the ‘horse propulsion of cart theory’. No theory has any relevance unless it’s in context, and germ theory (which is a very old and simple theory) has no context here. Except to you, for some reason. Maybe because it’s simple and therefore easy to understand. Perhaps you prefer the simple things in life? But, I think we’ve all moved on from those things A person who doesn’t know anything, can’t make a point about anything. And a person who refuses to research and even look at another’s point of view, just becomes a nuisance. Well, at least you can claim success in that.

  • Jesus baby

    You can’t see the importance of germ theory when it comes to vaccination?

  • Ruth

    Well yes, speak for yourself.

  • Ruth

    Any more than you can see the importance of the existence of germs to life on Earth, or even human life. They are the building blocks of nature. If you’re worried about disease (which incidentally according to germ theory, is only sometimes caused by germs, probably because the theory is an old one and that’s all we’re meant to think about), then I would suggest a look at ‘chain of infection’
    https://contagions.wordpress.com/2010/11/06/what-is-the-chain-of-infection/
    Or maybe the ‘theory of evolution’. How things change.

    If you manage to get through some of the concepts with these two, well maybe you might start questioning what scientists actually know about immunity. I think it might be a lot, but compared to what, and in relation to what?

    Your ‘magic needle’ idea that vaccines are the answer to all diseases, is childish and simplistic, even though it’s the one big pharma promotes – for obvious reasons. In fact, I think that might explain many a pro-vaxxers authoritarian following thinking patterns.

  • Ruth

    I think you’ve lost your relevance Mr Baby.

  • Jesus baby

    Ruthie, do you ever stop bull$hitting?

  • How dumb can you actually get when you are directly avoiding the reality of an issue? If you think I was talking about doing live blood cell microscopy on rocks, then obviously you have rocks in your head. No one sees them, because since Becamp and others of his day, no one has ever looked. Is that to difficult for you to comprehend?

    I post the wiki link to show the controversy. Just because the big pharma side says there is no scientific evidence as for live blood cell microscopy, does not mean they are correct. There is no scientific evidence for it in their world of course, and again, because they have never specifically looked for it. And I did read what that page stated, and I know that was there. Just because a few ND’s abused the method of examining live blood as to what they were claiming to find with it and without merit; does not mean that the protocol does not have major implications in finding significant findings, and as the cause of many health related issues, through looking directly at the darkfield form of live cell blood microscopy. The protocol and that imaging has the potential to provide physiologically based understanding to many issues involved with and related to health care and health conditions; and which they have not had an understanding of before. They refuse it.

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  • Jesus baby

    Microzymes are supposed to be everywhere according to Bechamp. Are you seriously claiming that in the last 160 years no one in any field of science has seen one because “no one has ever looked”? Are you not able to admit you are wrong, or are you really just that stupid?

  • Jesus baby

    I’ve read the posts, Lowell. It’s just you and me, big boy. Where are the microzymes?

    And you know VAXXED is all a lie. You’re just too stubborn or stupid to admit it. Probably both.

  • Were not looking at rocks, we are looking at and talking about the blood of human beings. You know, the life source of a human being. What better place to start an examination of health conditions than to determine sick blood from healthy blood, and then if they additionally determined what made that persons blood sick blood, and then determined the means to correct and heal what is wrong, and that same persons blood turned back into healthy blood; you have potential;y effected a cure, and the understanding of a specific cure. Again, big pharma does not want cures. Sick people continue to make them rich, and that is the only way that can continue to happen. Nothing has changed as to that, in the over 100 years the standard big pharma based medical model, has operated. There is no end to your denial and nor your failure to see reality.

    The Drug Story-A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

  • If you read them then you can respond directly to those posts and their content, and where they were made; and not simply evade them as you are trying to do..

    If Vaxxed was a lie then the CDC would not be refusing to allow William Thomspn to testify. The CDC would be more than willing to allow that to happen, if THEY weren’t lying. If there is no fraud, then what are they so scared of?

    .CDC Refuses to Let Vaccine Whistleblower Testify in Autism Court Case
    Posted on November 1, 2016
    http://www.westonaprice.org/action-alerts/2016-action-alerts/cdc-refuses-let-vaccine-whistleblower-testify-autism-court-case/

    CDC BLOCKS TESTIMONY OF VACCINE WHISTLEBLOWER
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/cdc-blocks-testimony-vaccine-whistleblower-medical-malpractice-case/

    Whistleblower Thompson’s Call to Congress, (this is a portion of the call between William Thompson and Dr Brain Hooker, and which exposes the truth)
    https://vimeo.com/user5503203/review/106398908/44f9634e1b

    Statement of William W. Thompson, Ph.D., Regarding the 2004 Article Examining the Possibility of a Relationship Between MMR Vaccine and Autism
    http://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

    Callous Disregard-Research, (along list of supporting studies additionally long ignored by the CDC)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    CDC Corruption is Rampant
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/cdc-corruption-rampant/

    The CDC is being influenced by corporate and political interests
    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/301432-the-cdc-is-being-being-influenced-by-corporate-and-political

    CDC Scientists Expose Agency Corruption

    The group, which claimed to represent scientists across the CDC’s diverse branches, calls itself SPIDER (Scientists Preserving Integrity, Diligence and Ethics in Research). The letter to CDC Chief of Staff, Carmen Villar, expressed alarm “about the current state of ethics at our agency.” The scientists complained that “our mission is being influenced and shaped by outside parties and rogue interests” and “circumvented by some of our leaders.”

    The scientists told Villar that, “questionable and unethical practices, occurring at all levels and in all of our respective units, threaten to undermine our credibility and reputation as a trusted leader in public health.” The letter charged that staff level scientists “are intimidated and pressed to do things they know are not right,” and that, “Senior management officials at CDC are clearly aware and even condone these behaviors.”

    Read more:
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/cdc-scientists-expose-agency-corruption/

  • Jesus baby

    Microzymes are supposed to be everywhere according to Bechamp. So where are they?

  • Jesus baby

    What specifically would you like to see Thompson testify about, Lowell?

  • And again quite obviously you have ignored everything I have stated. post for me the material where you say Becamp claimed microzymes are in everything, and as to the context it was stated in?

    You refuse any form of knowledge that conflicts with the big pharma view of health care, and their controlling monopoly agenda.

    History, and the real history as well has been preserved largely and only in one place. You know the whale site, that you must vilify as it is simply far to damning as to realizing what has taken place in our history. Do you think that all that history is actually fabricated? And all you shills want to equate it to only half witted and crazed and general conspiracy theories. I will tell you who the real half-wit is; you are.

    To only focus on microzymes and to claim that since that time, it has never been proven; is simple being narrow minded as to the reality of the modern understanding of the germ theory. You refuse to even get a clue about it, no matter what. It is such a simple concept that a 1st grader could easily understand it. But not you; you refuse it.

    PASTEUR VERSUS BÉCHAMP: THE HISTORY OF GERM THEORY
    http://www.superlife.com/pasteur-bechamp-germ-theory/

    Louis Pasteur Vs Antoine Béchamp and The Germ Theory of Disease Causation – 1
    http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/05/louis_pasteur_vs_antoine_bchamp_and_the_germ_theory_of_disease_causation_1.html

    True Healing Can ONLY Begin with Improving the State of the Terrain

    Béchamp Vindicated

    microbial humanOver the past few years, advances in genetic technology have opened a window into the amazingly populous and powerful world of microbial life in and on the human body. Scientists now say that we’re not just human. There are countless other creatures living on and inside you, governing your health and happiness.

    This science is challenging the very idea of what it means to be human.

    “We tend to think that we are exclusively a product of our own cells, upwards of 10 trillion of them,” wrote Richard Conniff in a 2013 Smithsonian article on the microbiome. “But the microbes we harbor in our tissues and matrix add another 100 trillion cells into the mix.”

    The creature we admire in the mirror every morning is thus about 10 percent human by cell count. By weight, the picture looks prettier: Altogether an average adult’s commensal microbes weigh about three pounds, roughly as much as the human brain. And while our 21,000 or so human genes help make us who we are, our resident microbes possess another 8 million or so genes many of which collaborate behind the scenes handling food, tinkering with the immune system, turning genes on and off, and otherwise helping us function.
    More than 10,000 different species live in our bodies. There are an estimated 1000 alone that might live in your mouth. Another 150 species may live behind your ear, and 440 may live on the insides of your forearm, several thousand in your intestines. And talk about diversity! According to a 2010 study, even your left and right hands may have just 17% of their bacterial species in common.

    What does this mean for us?

    Think of Béchamp. Only recently has modern science admitted to the microbiome the same way Béchamp theorized 165 years ago.

    Recent studies have linked changes in the microbiome to some of the most pressing medical problems of our time, including obesity, allergies, bowel disorders, and even psychiatric problems such as autism, schizophrenia, and depression.

    Are these health concerns caused by the microbiome or merely occur as a consequence of those conditions? Are diseases caused by having the wrong parents who gave you faulty genes, or is it epigenetics (genetic changes caused by environmental triggers)?

    Science continues to show that in both cases, it’s the latter. The terrain is everything.

    Read more:
    http://biologicaldentalhealth.com/true-healing-can-begin-improving-state-terrain/

    The Dream & Lie of Louis Pasteur
    by R. B. Pearson (originally Pasteur, Plagiarist, Imposter 1942)
    http://www.whale.to/a/b/pearson.html

    Interestingly neither Bechamp or Pasteur had during their work, had identified what a virus was, or that viruses even existed. That came to be much later in years.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_virology

    THE MYSTERY OF PLEOMORPHIC MICROBIAL ORGANISMS
    http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html

    The Blood and its Third Anatomical Element
    by Antoine Bechamp 1912
    http://www.whale.to/v/bechamp_b.html

    Full document.
    http://www.whale.to/v/bechamp_b1.html

    Great Medical Doctors (of their time)
    http://whale.to/m/doctors.html

    Persecuted (& murdered) doctors, health professionals
    http://whale.to/a/persecuted_doc_h.html

    Theory of Germs Was Pasteur wrong?
    https://homeopathtyler.wordpress.com/theory-of-germs-was-pasteur-wrong/

  • What do you think he should testify about? The study fraud that was conducted, of course. Are you telling me that even with the above information, that-that is still actually a valid question for you?

    The group, which claims to represent scientists across the CDC’s diverse branches, calls itself SPIDER (Scientists Preserving Integrity, Diligence and Ethics in Research); they obviously should be required to testify as well.

    How much evidence would you need, and still you deny it all.

  • Jesus baby

    OK, you want the CDC to let Thompson testify about “the study fraud that was conducted”. Who do you want him to testify to?

  • Jesus baby

    So now you need me to tell you where to look in your own web site about microzymes. What a pathetic fraud you are, Lowell.
    Read chapter 8 of the translation of Bechamp’s “The Blood and it’s Third Anatomical Element”. He describes microzymes in water, air, soil, rocks and all anatomic systems of all organisms.
    So now that I’ve taught you what your own web site says, in Bechamp’s own words, about microzymes, WHERE ARE THEY?

  • Ron Roy

    That’s why it’s called a theory.

  • AutismDadd

    That’s your powerful response? Zero credibility JC

  • AutismDadd

    The lame reference to a flat Earth exposes you are a clown with little to contribute.

  • Jesus baby

    A-dad, always the bastion of credibility. Maybe you can decipher Ruthie’s ramblings for us.

  • Jesus baby

    Embracing prescientific concepts is common to both flat earthers and anti-vaxxers. You face the same hurdles. But you are not alone.

  • Jesus baby

    Like the theory of gravity, Ron.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The point JB is making is about the use of the term “theory”. How is it that you miss the context so readily? I wonder if your copypasta approach to posting is taking it’s toll. Never think. Never analyse. Just respond with words that look like they have something to do with what is being said.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The better word is “hypothesis”. Today “theory” is reserved for something with significant evidence supporting it. When people talk about Béchamp’s microzymian theory they are speaking in a historical context. Similar to the way that people talk about Fermat’s Last Theorem. A theorem in math is something which is proved beyond all reasonable doubt. Yet Fermat never proved his theorem. He claimed there was a proof – so we use the word “theorem” – and assuming he wasn’t lying whatever he had was almost assuredly wrong.

    Since then Andrew Wiles has proved FLT so it’s now more correct to refer to it as a Theorem.

  • Ron Roy

    ”It took many months, but I was also able to finally get a copy of an
    article through an interlibrary loan by Dr. E.C. Rosenow,
    a Nobel Prize nominee, published in the Journal of the American Medical
    Association in 1914, where he documented and provided the details of experiments
    in which he took bacteria and by changing the temperature and food in
    their environment, was able to change them from benign to virulent microbes
    and back again, or the other way around. In conventional medical terms,
    that would be the equivalent of changes cats into dogs and then back into
    cats again. It elegantly disproved the basis of the germ theory of disease.
    While “disease germs” can be created, and infection transmitted,
    the host must provide a similarly toxic enviroment, meaning they are already
    sick in some way, for virulent organisms to take hold and trigger infection,
    otherwise the “germs” will de-evolve and become harmless, or
    unable to provoke a disease state. The “germ theory” demands
    that exposure means disease, and that simply doesn’t hold true in the
    real world.”

  • Jonathan Graham

    The “germ theory” demands that exposure means disease

    Not really, many diseases are caused by germs but not all exposures cause disease. It’s interesting that you want to put your faith in someone’s claim about an article you haven’t read – nor could you if you wanted to. Again you sound more and more like someone who doesn’t care if any evidence exists or not.

  • Ron Roy

    I’ve read the article and dozens more like it.The germ theory doesn’t hold water. It’s a lie. Germs are pleomorphic and will change according to the chemical balance of the host. Bechamp was right Pasteur wasn’t.

  • Ron Roy

    IDIOT!

  • Jesus baby

    OK Ronnie, where are those pesky microzymes?

  • AutismDadd

    Nice meaningless response.

  • AutismDadd

    I could do better than the Pro-vac stooges

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ron, you haven’t read that article because there is no reference to it. You still can’t outright state that it’s exceptionally important to your point if none of these articles actually exist.

    Isn’t that interesting?

  • Ron Roy

    And this will explain why. Oh and people like you Johnny are part of the problem. You constantly try and denigrate anyone or any article that cast doubt, and exposes the truth, on the machination of the drug industry and the false germ theory it bases it’s vaccines on:

    INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE

    http://www.instituteofscience.com

    Tribute to Edward C. Rosenow
    (1875-1966)

    by S. H. Shakman – Copyright
    1996-8,
    all rights reserved.

    The monumental works of Rosenow … have reversed the
    opinions of
    the highest medical authority of the world and thrown to
    earth
    the false theories of older medicine …

    – – C.H. Pierce, 1915 [*1]

    [Dr. Rosenow] was adept at … reproducing the clinical
    syndromes
    of the patients in animals. … the resemblance of syndromes
    [was] often unbelievable and at times almost ludicrous …
    he
    prepared autogenous vaccines that worked miracles in
    innumerable
    patients.

    – – Rowntree, Leonard G., 1958 [*2]

    Pierce’s 1915 glowing assessment of Dr. Edward C. Rosenow
    (then
    age 40) was by no means an isolated view. By this time Dr.
    Rosenow was generally regarded in prominent medical circles
    as
    among the most brilliant of modern scientists. From this
    already-lofty positon, he went on to serve as head of
    experimental bacteriology for the Mayo Foundation for nearly
    three decades, from 1915 to 1944.

    Dr. Rosenow’s consistent and well-documented published
    works,
    nearly 300 articles spanning the period from 1902 through
    1958,
    built upon two venerable medical concepts: (a) the concept
    of
    oral focal infection, whereby distant and/or generalized
    diseases
    have been attributed to the dissemination of microorganisms
    or
    their toxins through the bloodstream from an oral “focus” or
    reservoir; and (b) the ability or perhaps even tendency of
    microorganisms to exist in different phases as a result of
    dissociation or mutation, depending on environmental
    conditions. Dr. Rosenow’s
    investigations consistently demonstrated the presence of
    specifically virulent nonhemolytic streptococci within the
    oral
    focus, primarily in or around teeth and/or tonsils (often
    without visible symptoms of infection) [*3]; these organisms or their
    derivatives were directly and clearly implicated in a wide
    range of diseases
    [*4] – from
    arthritis to schizophrenia, and even including disease
    of “blood-
    building tissues” [*5] The key
    to
    the success of Dr. Rosenow’s investigations was the use of a
    laboriously-developed methodology that most significantly
    correctly mimmicked conditions existing within the human
    body,
    particularly involving a range of oxygen supply, rather than
    the
    customary reliance on strictly “anaerobic” (zero oxygen) or
    “aerobic” (as in the air) conditions.

    The manner in which Dr. Rosenow integrated and refined these
    concepts into an understanding of a wide range of diseases
    may
    even come to be recognized as the high point of 20th century
    medicine, although his legacy is currently obscure or even
    maligned. Surprisingly, this has occurred despite the
    association of Dr. Rosenow with some of the most prominent
    names
    in American medical history. Early in his career, Dr.
    Rosenow
    worked closely with Frank Billings and Charles H. Mayo, both
    former AMA Presidents and staunch advocates of the concept
    of
    oral focal infection as a key factor in systemic disease.
    And
    another former AMA President, Walter Bierring, predicted in
    1938,
    “perchance it is safe to assume that the ‘Rosenow heresy’
    may yet
    become the medical guide of the future”. [*6] Moreover, some 38 of Dr.
    Rosenow’s own published articles appeared in the
    authoritative
    Journal of the American Medical Association.

    (Even before Dr. Rosenow was born, an earlier AMA president,
    Austin Flint, had noted in 1868 that caries of the teeth are
    at
    least an occasional cause of trigeminal neuralgia
    [*7] – which same condition has
    recently been discussed as associated with cavitations in
    bone
    from which devitalized teeth have been removed. [*8]

    As to why Dr. Rosenow’s work has faded from the medical
    limelight, this in so small part seems attributable to a
    clearly
    fraudulent misrepresentation of his research results
    [*9] by W. Holman in 1928
    [*10]. Over the next couple of
    decades, Holman’s (incorrect) 1928
    protrayal came to serve as the indispensable foundational
    citation for a body of incestuously cross-referenced
    literature
    [*11] which confronted Dr.
    Rosenow’s
    otherwise unassailable work. This body of contrary
    literature
    continues to underly and influence modern medical and dental
    attitudes, theory and practice,
    establishing Holman’s deception as probably the grandest
    fraud in the history of
    medicine, if not science.

    Nonetheless, the concepts of focal infection [*12], mutation [*13] and dissociation [*14], and the use of reduced
    oxygen
    gradients [*15] are separately
    being
    promoted in modern medical research, providing measures of
    independent validation of the foundations of Dr. Rosenow’s
    prior,
    integrated studies and methodology.

    Dr. Rosenow emphasized two primary points relative to the
    therapy
    of a wide-range of diseases:

    (a) Removal of the oral focus. [*3]
    Dr. Rosenow demonstrated that the oral focus, usually in or
    around diseased or non-vital teeth [*4,*16]
    and/or (secondarily) tonsils [*17]
    is the primary site of
    replication and dissemination, and even for the acquisition
    of
    their specificity and strength [*18].
    But he and others have
    cautioned that removal of the focus cannot be expected to
    always
    result in a cure, insofar as a secondary infection elsewhere
    in
    the body may have already become sufficiently established so
    as
    to be able to sustain the infective process even in the
    absence
    of the primary (oral) focus; and

    (b) Administration of specific therapeutic antigen (vaccine)
    or
    antibody, or both, preferably autogenous (generated from
    organisms taken from the patient). [*19]In
    some of his later articles,
    Dr. Rosenow set forth a therapeutical regimen discussing
    only the
    administration of antigen and antibody without specific
    reference
    to oral foci; however, it was noted that this therapy would
    need
    to be continued indefinitely, presumably due to the
    continued
    presence of foci (reservoirs) of infection. Thus the
    importance
    of their removal in conjunction with vaccine-therapy [*3], as had been consistently
    and
    strongly emphasized by Dr. Rosenow, would appear to continue
    to
    warrant primary consideration.

    Dr. Rosenow’s instructions relating to the isolation,
    cultivation
    and preservation, respectively, of properly-specific
    pathogenic
    organisms (streptococci) incorporate three essential
    technical
    components: use of serial dilutions [*20],
    oxygen gradients [*21], and
    glycerol-salt menstruum [*3].
    These components and and other
    details of Dr. Rosenow’s instructions for production of vaccine and antibody
    require close attention, insofar as strict compliance
    consistently achieved favorable results (whereas failures
    invariably have been associated with and apparently
    attributable
    to non-compilance).

    Further major implications of the foregoing on some popular
    modern medical perspectives include characterization of the
    concept of “animal models” as intrinsically flawed, as
    evident in
    its being at variance with the venerable Koch-Henle
    postulates of
    disease causation; reaffirmation of the validity of the
    Koch-
    Henle
    tradition; the essential complementarian compatibility of
    the
    Rosenow perspective with modern emphases on genetics, and
    exposure of the concept of “autoimmune disease” as fictional
    and
    superfluous.

    – Animal Models. Nowadays, much fanfare accompanies the
    discovery of new “animal models” in which diseases that
    resemble
    those in man can be induced and studied. These “models” by
    definition do not involve the identical disease processes,
    but
    rather processes which mimic the real ones. In light of Dr.
    Rosenow’s work, it would appear that the failure of modern
    practitioners to replicate many human diseases in laboratory
    animals simply indicates that they have the wrong organism,
    or a
    wrong or degenerative phase of the correct one. In contrast,
    Dr.
    Rosenow marvelled at how similar were the tissues of persons
    and
    animals. He readily replicated a wide range of disease
    conditions in laboratory animals
    using bacteria
    from patients suffering from these same diseases.

    – Koch-Henle postulates of disease. Insofar as the
    Koch-Henle
    postulates require replication of diseases in laboratory
    animals
    with the suspected disease-causing agent, a revival of Dr.
    Rosenow’s methodology brings with it a reaffirmation of
    these
    venerable postulates. Moreover, Dr. Rosenow’s work went far
    beyond merely fulfilling the venerable Koch-Henle postulates. [*5]

    – The relative role of genetics. Modern perspectives
    generally
    recognize that the genetic factor is essentially a
    predisposition
    and does not itself cause disease, but that some undisclosed
    environmental factor triggers the actual onset of disease.
    Similarly, Dr. Rosenow discussed both onset and identity of
    disease conditions as attributable to a combination of (a)
    infection by microorganisms and (b) “constitutional” or
    inherited
    predisposition. Thus, Dr. Rosenow’s successful therapeutic
    regimens would at a minimum be expected to be complementary
    to
    gene therapy, and particularly attractive in light of the
    acknowledged general failure of gene therapy thus far [*22] to produce beneficial
    results.

    – The concept of “autoimmune disease”. In the second half of
    the
    20th century (coincident with Dr. Rosenow’s residence in
    semi-
    obscurity), “autoimmune” processes were proposed to be
    causing
    many disease conditions for which a foreign cause presumably
    could not be identified; however, it has since been
    generally
    recognized that this so-called “autoimmune reaction” may be
    a
    result and not the cause of a diseased state [*23], and that the onset of
    “autoimmune disease” may be “triggered by unknown
    environmental
    factors acting on a predisposing genetic background” [*24]. In that Dr. Rosenow’s
    successful methodology consistently enabled identification
    of
    specific microbial pathogens in these same conditions, the
    very
    need for an “autoimmune disease” concept may well be
    questioned.

    – Beyond considerations of “normal” diseases, such as
    appendicitis, arthritis, asthma, etc., it is noted that Dr.
    Rosenow’s scope encompassed numerous other conditions
    including
    alcoholism, infertility, mental illness and even violent
    criminality; and he long ago had anticipated (and solved in
    advance) the contemporary dilemna of “post-polio syndrome” [*25]. He also probed far-ranging
    disease-related topics such as the role of radiant energy in
    seasonality of various diseases and epidemics
    [*26].

    Overall, Dr. Rosenow’s monumental body of work appears to
    have
    much to offer in relation to attaining an understanding of
    cause,
    prevention and therapy of a wide range of human disease
    conditions. The broad scope and immediate specific impact of
    Dr.
    Rosenow’s work argue for its priority re-integration into
    modern
    medical and dental education and practice.

    ###

    This article is an electronic preprint of a paper to be
    proposed
    to the Journal of Infectious Disease, in which journal Dr.
    Rosenow published some 53 articles spanning the period
    1904-1945.

    Postscript: Insofar as Dr. Rosenow has demonstrated that the
    causative agent for a wide range of diseases is disseminated
    through the bloodstream [*21, *27],
    the use of autohemotherapy is
    suggested for
    consideration as a temporary therapeutic expedient, pending
    the
    development and general availability of Dr. Rosenow’s
    specific
    vaccines. It is further noted that numerous
    disease
    conditions
    have been addressed in the historical literature of both
    autohemotherapy and Dr. Rosenow
    [*28].

  • Ron Roy

    Read what I posted in answer to Johnny. Although microzimas are not mentioned in this article pleomorphism is and both Bechamp and Rosenow proved that germs / microzimas are pleomorphic: Maybe this will help you to learn something.

  • Jesus baby

    Where are the microzymes, Ronnie? Bechamp’s long debunked theory depends on them.

  • Jesus baby

    Great! What did she say?

  • Jonathan Graham

    And this will explain why

    Why you just took someones word that the article exists or says what the other person says it does?

    Oh and people like you Johnny are part of the problem. You constantly try and denigrate anyone or any article that cast doubt, and exposes the truth, on the machination of the drug industry and the false germ theory it bases it’s vaccines on:

    All I’ve done is point out that you can not state – even once – even a few words – clearly that it matters if these articles even exist. It’s pretty interesting.

  • shay simmons

    Read that Golding & Scott article yet, Ron?

  • Ron Roy

    Says a pharmaceutical company rep.

  • Ron Roy

    Debunked? Citations please.

  • Proponent

    Ron Roy: “IDIOT!”

    No, sorry, Ron.. ‘idiot’ was not one of the top five search keywords that lead people to WHALE(dot)TO.

    These were:

    “Top Keywords from Search Engines – Which search keywords send traffic to this site?

    Keyword / Percent of Search Traffic

    1. 666 hand sign 3.77%
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    3. behold a pale horse pdf 2.89%
    4. hillary clinton clone 2.29%
    5. eight o’clock in the morning 2.17%”

    (Source: Alexa )

  • Proponent

    You should come over to our side, Lowell. You really should.

    I mean.. we have the best microzymes. Fabulous microzymes. We’re talking tremendous here, folks.. the best microzymes the world has ever seen.

    Nobody.. nobody does microzymes like us. First class, second-to-none. I don’t even think China has discovered them yet, but, I could be wrong. Who knows.

  • Proponent

    I remember seeing “Soul Train” reruns a couple of times.

    Looked like it was a fun show. And I liked the dancing.

    Not that familiar with “The Germ Theory” show, though. What was that about? Microzymes or something?

  • Proponent

    I’m glad that you make mention of the word ‘ignorance’, Lowell.

    ‘Cause.. I don’t know something and I figured you would be the one to ask about it.

    So.. hangnails.

    You know, the kind that if you dare try to ‘tear them off’ you risk and just might end up ripping off the end of an entire finger? Those kind of hangnails?

  • AutismDadd

    What did who say? And be specific

  • Jesus baby

    Try reading it slowly.

  • Jesus baby

    I guess you live in a shack somewhere (or South Dakota?) but just show us a microzyme please. I don’t have to educate you like I did with Lowell do I? (of course I do)

  • Jesus baby

    I’m…Ruth?

  • Jonathan Graham

    You still can’t answer the question: Does it matter if these sources of yours don’t exist. I’m pretty sure your answer is “No, it doesn’t matter”.

  • Ruth

    I’m sure none of us (well the majority anyway) needs instruction on how to troll, as you’ve so helpfully provided, or how to come across as a complete idiot.

    Getting back to the subject in hand…if all pro-vaxxers have to contribute to support their stance, is ‘germ theory’ well that’s pretty sad. Maybe they’d all be happier with ‘flat earth theory’? Personally, I’d like to see a better standard of troll, not ones who need their pacifiers back.

  • Ruth

    Dr Thompson, the whistle-blower, would like to testify how he and scientists at the CDC covered up a link between the MMR vaccine and autism. You obviously don’t know anything about the movie “Vaxxed- from cover-up to catastophe”. It’s worth checking out.

  • Jesus baby

    Oh I know more about VAXXED than you don’t worry. To whom would Thompson like to testify Ruthie, and who is stopping him?

  • Ron Roy

    That’s WHALE / VACCINE folks don’t let these vaccine pushers send you to another part of that library. That’s WHALE / VACCINE.

  • Ron Roy

    Ok if you insist I’ll start your lesson here. I also realize this might be above your intellectual capacity to absorb but I’ll give it a shot at least other people can benefit by it. Remember now that different researchers gave those microscopic particles different names. Bechamp called them microzimas Naessens called them somatids: http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/somatid.htm

  • Ron Roy

    Jesus baby now would that be Justthefacts resurrected?

  • Ron Roy

    No reference? The article exists. I posted it. Can’t you read. The MEDICAL MAFIA more than likely deleted any possible link to a reference. For anyone that want’s to know more about microzimas I suggest just Google it or Google somatids or protits. Many researchers had discovered the same thing and they simply gave these pleomorphic microscopic particles different names. Drug company reps like Johnny don’t want you to know the truth. IGNORE WHAT THEY SAY AND DO SOME RESEARCH.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No reference? The article exists. I posted it. Can’t you read.

    This article:

    a copy of an article through an interlibrary loan by Dr. E.C. Rosenow, a Nobel Prize nominee, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 1914, where he documented and provided the details of experiments

    …which you didn’t bother posting.

    For anyone that want’s to know more about microzimas I suggest just Google it or Google somatids or protits.

    …and then try to rationalize how somatids are said to be indestructible. Then, if you’re being honest you can throw the idea away.

  • Jonathan Graham

    needs instruction on how to troll, as you’ve so helpfully provided, or how to come across as a complete idiot.

    Just citing the behavior is see by Lowell and well you. So I guess it’s better that this is a natural thing rather than something earned through effort.

    if all pro-vaxxers have to contribute to support their stance, is ‘germ theory’ well that’s pretty sad.

    JB was referencing germ theory as an example of Lowell’s rather irrational bent not as an argument against the argument of the vaccine critical. Again if you read his post this should be pretty obvious.

  • Proponent

    Ron Roy: “That’s WHALE / VACCINE folks don’t let these vaccine pushers send you to another part of that library. That’s WHALE / VACCINE.”

    Why are you concerned that readers might go elsewhere on WHALE other than WHALE / VACCINE, Ron Roy?

  • Ron Roy

    Somatids / microzimas ARE indestructible both Bechamp and Naessens proved it. I know this is beyond your comprehension so I’ll excuse it. Naessens’ laboratory is open to any scientist who would like to see the truth for themselves.

  • AutismDadd

    Oh Ruth

  • AutismDadd

    Why is that how you created it?

  • shay simmons

    He doesn’t want them to stumble on the part about the Illuminati ordering the US Navy to kill all the dolphins, I guess.

  • Jesus baby

    Great! Where are they?

  • Jesus baby

    Ronnie, do you want to take a crack at it?

  • Jesus baby

    Yes! I think we’re making headway here A-dad! Now just take it to the next level.

  • Ron Roy

    Because like in any library there might be some books there that some people might find offensive or disagree with. THE TOPIC IS VACCINES SO GO TO WHALE/ VACCINE and I’m sure the information there will be an eye opener. All these vaccine pushers fear WHALE / VACCINE go and see why.

  • Proponent

    Ron Roy: “Because like in any library there might be some books there that some people might find offensive or disagree with.”

    Huh. So what articles on WHALE might some people find offensive or disagree with, Ron Roy?

    Clearly, you have some in mind.. else.. why make such a statement.

    Or, are you making things up? A -gain?

  • Ron Roy

    I’ve NEVER even gone to ant part of WHALE other than the VACCINE portion. However Johnny and company have and they talk about the illuminati etc being mentioned there and something about the holocaust being denied. I have a question why does the murder of 6 million Jews seem to take precedence over the murder of 30 to 40 million people in Russia by Stalin or the murder of 40 or so million Chinese at the hands of Mao?

  • Ron Roy

    No concern I just don’t want anyone to waste their time in reading something other than the topic of vaccines and how health destroying they are.

  • Ron Roy

    Ok I’ll play your game where are viruses?

  • Proponent

    Ron Roy: “I’ve NEVER even gone to ant part of WHALE other than the VACCINE portion.”

    Ron Roy: “Because like in any library there might be some books there that some people might find offensive or disagree with.”

    Ron Roy: “Johnny and company have and they talk about the illuminati etc being mentioned there and something about the holocaust being denied..”

    So.. you, yourself, have absolutely no idea as to what other stuff is on WHALE?

    How exactly does one visit WHALE and navigate the website and not see anything other than WHALE / VACCINE, Ron Roy?

  • Proponent

    No concern?

    Why did you just post the following then..

    Ron Roy: “Johnny and company have and they talk about the illuminati etc being mentioned there and something about the holocaust being denied..”

  • Ron Roy

    http://whale.to/vaccines.html Wasn’t that easy?

  • Proponent

    Well, that doesn’t quite answer the question, though. Now does it, Ron Roy?

    What were your search terms, for example.. that produced that.. exact.. same.. URL?

    And more to the point.. depending on your search terms, why did you choose WHALE / VACCINE over other search results?

  • Jesus baby

    Sing it? I don’t know A-dad…help me to help you.

  • Jesus baby

    OK Ronnie. If you find out where all the microzymes are just come back and let us know.

  • Ron Roy

    OK Jb If you find out where all the viruses are just come back and let us know.

  • Ron Roy

    That’s M I C R O Z I MA S NOT microzymes

  • Jesus baby

    Well if you find any of those either I’ll be right here, Ronnie.

  • Jesus baby

    Lol see what happens when you butt into debates with NOTHING to add to them?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ron, the stuff about the illuminati I read was in the part talking about implants in vaccines. So is that not the vaccine portion? Or are only some of the vaccine portions true? Or do you believe in the illuminati and lizard people?

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and the Library analogy is already debunked. A general library doesn’t collect things based on a strict set of rules. Whale does, and it’s particular rules create a place where the overall likelihood of the data being right is exceptionally low. Reading Whale is like reading a library that specializes in Nazi war propaganda.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Somatids / microzimas ARE indestructible

    So you don’t believe they are made from atoms? If they are, they are destructable and the theory is wrong. If they aren’t you need to provide a mechanism for indestructibility.

    Bechamp and Naessens proved it.

    Oh, what test is there for something being indestructible? How would that go?

  • Wow, I didn’t know Ron Roy went in for Béchamp, too! What fun!

  • AutismDadd

    What next level would that be?

  • Ron Roy

    Talking about yourself I see. A moment of honesty perhaps?

  • Ron Roy

    The illuminati ( a historical fact ) yes. lLzard people no. Although I do wonder about you.

  • Ron Roy

    My search terms? Now f o l l o w m y d i r e c t i o n s v e r y c a r e f u l l y: Copy WHALE / VACCINE and paste it into your web browser and it will take you to the link I posted. If you still have a hard time I’ll let my 7 year old grandson demonstrate how to do this.

  • Ron Roy

    Find the viruses and I’ll show you the microzymas / somatids.

  • Jesus baby

    Well I thought you were making progress…

  • Jesus baby

    No Ronnie, it’s all you.

  • Jesus baby

    If you could have you would’ve already:)

  • Ron Roy

    Ok I will but I’m sure this will be above your reading comprehension. I can see it now: Can you explain this or that etc: http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/somatid.htm

  • Jesus baby

    C’mon Ron.

  • AutismDadd

    By associating with you I appear to be regressing. Did you slip a vaccine into my drink?

  • AutismDadd

    She said a lot. One that we have a symbiotic relationship with many organisms the other that vaccines may upset that long relationship.

  • AutismDadd

    Great response…keep it up!

  • AutismDadd

    I love how Ruth served you a large helping of whoop-ass

  • AutismDadd

    J Baby can’t learn…bubble burst

  • AutismDadd

    Yea he sounds like Jesus Baby….ew

  • AutismDadd

    He may like lizard

  • AutismDadd

    Many sites do that other than Whale too. These stooges expose themselves as actually believing the rubbish they spew. They make me look good that’s why I interact with them.

  • AutismDadd

    Ron works to provide evidence. You stifle it with your clowning.

  • AutismDadd

    They sound so much the same, they are either sock puppets or are trained to parrot by their employers.

  • AutismDadd

    Really want to help? Then shut up

  • Jonathan Graham

    You realize that the portion of whale I was talking about is not talking about the 1700’s. Their use of the term is much closer to “blather” than “history”.

  • AutismDadd

    AWESOME Lowell

  • AutismDadd

    Needs a diaper change…badly

  • AutismDadd

    Yawning

  • Proponent

    Just a lil’ more rope for Ronald here..

    Ron Roy: “The reason I believe the books, papers, articles on Whale concerning vaccines is because I’ve had many of those same books, articles, papers for 10, 20 and 30 or more years BEFORE I even knew about Whale. Whale just saves me the trouble of finding what I need or want from my own library.”

    So.. prior to knowing about WHALE / VACCINE.. what exact search terms did you use to find the site?

    Were the search terms, for example.. “absolute worst source of information concerning the safety and efficacy of vaccines”?

  • Jonathan Graham

    What she criticized was a description of Lowell’s behavior. So if she brought the heat down on anyone it’s him.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Then you should be able to provide an example of something he’s cited which is statistically strong.

    If you can’t then either he sucks horribly at what you claim is his goal or that’s probably not his goal.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, sorry that I can’t turn something useful like my post into a Michael Bay film. Perhaps in the future there will be ways to educate people like yourself.

  • AutismDadd

    Strange you don’t know it already exists. Never have an instructor that bored you into a coma?

  • AutismDadd

    I can’t say and my opinion isn’t science. Besides I didn’t say anything about statistically anything. Put down the calculator and back away…

  • AutismDadd

    Hardly.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s more like, I wouldn’t be in a class unless I needed to learn something.

  • Jesus baby

    A chemtrail actually.

  • Jesus baby

    Like with smallpox?

  • Jesus baby

    He sounds like your son.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So in other words it’s just as likely as not that Ron sucks horribly at providing evidence?

    Besides I didn’t say anything about statistically anything.

    Why would you have to? What good is statistically weak evidence?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, this can all be easily pointed out from Lowell’s posts.

  • Jesus baby

    C’mon A-dad. Before you can get help you have to admit you have a problem.

  • AutismDadd

    If one of my problems shuts up then that’s a good thing right? If I gave you a mercury/aluminum vaccine that acts like nutrients in the body would you thank me or fall dead?

  • AutismDadd

    Easily? I barely understand your babble and its too much work, so I skim and respond.

  • AutismDadd

    You brought these things up, so berate yourself with a large raspy object.

  • AutismDadd

    Well we know you have no idea of that, and simply want to hurt my feelings. Shows you’re a d-bag with no credibility.

  • AutismDadd

    Do you have evidence smallpox had no effect on the human race besides killing people?

  • AutismDadd

    Oh so you believe in those? Flat Earth…your thoughts?

  • AutismDadd

    Then you should be in a class now, not on a 12 hour lunch break.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m pretty clear about what I say. I answer direct and well defined questions. So the problem is probably with you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Actually you brought up the exceptionally entertaining claim that Ron works to provide evidence. I simply pointed out that he either is spectacularly bad at it – because even someone like yourself who is convinced of this can’t find a single case of him providing something that is statistically strong – or you are wrong.

  • AutismDadd

    As a receiver of those replies I disagree.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Then ask a clear well-defined question and demonstrate that I don’t respond. If you can’t demonstrate that then the evidence demonstrates that the problem is with you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    What would you like me to learn?

  • AutismDadd

    About vaccine damage

  • AutismDadd

    Why would I do that to myself unless I’m a sadist?

  • shay simmons

    Ron has yet to meet a crazy theory he doesn’t love.

  • AutismDadd

    So all evidence is statistically strong and zero is any other type of evidence?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Can you be more specific?

  • Jonathan Graham

    If you are not asking clear well-defined questions. Then you have no basis to claim that I’m not answering them. So that part of your disagreement is false. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Statistically strong evidence is useful. Statistically weak evidence is not.

  • You easily could have read about the medical malpractice case he was asked to testify in and the CDC refused to allow it. I think Thompson should be required to testify before Congress, and with knowledgeable members of congress being able to question him. That for starters.

  • Jesus baby

    When I get vaccinated I typically have an RN do it.

  • Jesus baby

    Well since all you do is insult people I thought you’d like it.

  • And do you think that you could provide us with any more of your irrelevant nonsense and stupidity? And oh wow, three of your fellow shills liked that; how impressive.

    Now, this is something that is actually impressive.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    ​My response to Antonio Baduy Cámara, and the blog Skeptical Raptor, as to their response to 9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxer’s
    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    What a bunch of pro-vax trolling shill …worthless …cowards.

  • Jesus baby

    I’d say that was enough – what, do you miss smallpox?

  • Jesus baby

    I’m just messing with your head. Anti-vaxxers tend to believe in lot’s of conspiracy theories.

  • Jesus baby

    What do you want him to testify about in the malpractice case, Lowell? Do you know what the plaintiff’s accusation is?

  • I used to vaccinate calves and cattle on the farm, let me do it. I am really good at it. I won’t need to use use a locking head shute, will I? I want to give you the Gardasil as well.

    http://www.ruralking.com/tarter-cattleman-automatic-head-gate-cah.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CMyZgaCWzdACFZKBaQodztQMew

    What, just because an RN does it, it won’t have an aluminum adjuvant in the vaccine? How about the pregnant women they have given flu shots with the full 25 mcg of Thimerosal in them; was that a responsible practice? Proven as safe, right? Not even the flu vaccine has been proven safe for use in pregnant women, much more a mercury containing additive. Are you pregnant?

  • Are you really that much of an idiot? Read the information, and if you haven’t been educated and informed on it. Just more of your typical and pointless antagonization going on here.

  • And you just completely ignore everything that is ever put in front of you, and as if it were never there. Then you put forth a couple smart talking big worded, and yet irrelevant paragraphs, and everyone is supposed to be impressed by your self believed genius level analysis. You post nothing repeatedly, but in denial, worthless trash.

  • So then all you trolling shills from the Skeptical Raptor blog and who live there, then come in here like some crazed chicken hawks on the in denial attack, going after some more of that so cheap and typical disrupt and distract …action.

  • So then obviously you can not actually and directly respond to what was put forth for information. And you never do. You evade it. And as well you just simply conclude that it does not matter if those articles exist, and because the 100 years of existing big pharma mis-educated and falsely directed medical monopoly will never seriously consider it anyway. Oh course they won’t and because to get t right means that the whole premise behind chemical big pharma has been based on false foundations since day one. Pasteur was clearly wrong and misguided. If he was right, do you actually think it would be possible to collect this kind of study data? What, do you actually think that has all been somehow falsified?

    Medicine Kills Millions
    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/

    Death By Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

  • And here comes the liar, trotting out his false accusations because he’s too much of a sick, delusional worm to face the truth.

  • Which of course has nothing to do with the whale sections on real medical history, the doctors of that time, and vaccines. You shills are a seriously twisted and desperate lot.

  • Nothing in that large medical history and vaccine section of the site, has ever been debunked. So you refuse to comment on the actual information you were given, and instead again just simply throw at it what attempted false discreditation that you think you can find. Nothing ever changes.

  • Jesus baby

    We used to castrate our bulls within a few days of birth with these tiny rubber bands. I bet they’d fit you too.

  • He just told this crew of trolling shills, how did you miss that? You better actually start reading the posts, instead of being so just coming back in here lazy.They all ignored it as well.

  • You have never educated anyone, even yourself. Unless you call preserving your denial and delusions, educational?

  • Jesus baby

    Lol I knew you had no idea. You’re just a copy/paster.

  • Jesus baby

    Really? Well do tell Lowell. Where are they?

  • Jesus baby

    Where are the microzymes Lowell?

  • Why is it that since the first time you ever posted on this site and its articles, that you entirely ignore anything and everything that is put in front of you? Then there is no point to you’re being here at all.

  • Just another load of twisted BS, more lies, and more denial.

  • Where are those viruses? How about the polio virus?

  • Pay attention. Obviously you either missed it, or ignored it.

  • False claims again that you can not support. Nothing I have ever posted, is false. The delusions and the real sickness is clearly your own. Apparently you are to sick to even realize it.

  • Read the information before you post. I shouldn’t need to spoon feed you like an infant.

  • I used those on the baby calves as well, and dehorning paste. How big a bull did you attempt to use those bands on, perhaps you were kicked in the head, and that would explain a lot of things.

  • Your shill accusation against me is false, so there’s another lie you just told.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Oh Hey Lowell.

    you just completely ignore everything that is ever put in front of you, and as if it were never there.

    Nope. I respond carefully, clearly and respectfully to the vast majority of what is posted however in the case of you. You can’t make your position sufficiently clear to me and you refuse to comply with any of my requests for clarity. So you don’t leave me with much in the way of choice – for something that I do primarily for fun.

    If you start complying with my requests for clarity, then we can make some progress. Otherwise, it will be page after page of me asking for clarity and you denying it. Your choice.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So then obviously you can not actually and directly respond to what was put forth for information. And you never do. You evade it.

    It depends on what it is. I can’t respond to an article from 1914 which lacks the necessary information to find it. Similarly if an article or position is clear to me I’ll respond to it. However if, as in the case of what you produce generally isn’t. Then I’ll ask for clarity. All the normal human things to do.

  • What do you think you’ll get?

  • Jesus baby

    You’re not even trying, Lowell. Admit you’re a germ theory denialist.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nothing in that large medical history and vaccine section of the site, has ever been debunked.

    There’s nothing in that site concerning vaccines and autism which shows any real statistical strength. Which pretty much blanket debunks it all. If you want to prove me wrong you only have to provide a single article link to a whale article which meets my criteria.

    Nothing ever changes.

    In terms of the dynamic between us. Nothing changes because you value having discussions like this highly much more than having discussions about vaccines or science and I value discussions like this equivalently to discussions where the other party doesn’t think they have to clarify their position. Anytime you want to step into the ring, I’ll be happy to put your lights out.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I respond clearly and respectfully to every reply to me however if you’re not willing to make an argument that’s clear to me. You limit have limited choices in what my responses can be. I can either a) Attempt to guess what your position is and the refute that or b) I can ask you to clarify your position until I sufficiently understand it and then either agree or refute it. I choose b). What’s wrong with that?

  • Jonathan Graham

    No it’s just the logical consequence of what AutismDadd has said so far.

  • Jesus baby

    You didn’t know Bechamp’s theory even required microzymes, Lowell. After I taught you that from your own links, which you either didn’t bother reading or couldn’t comprehend (likely both), you flailed trying to explain why there’s no evidence they exist. Now you’re just lying about having already providing the evidence. Why don’t you just admit you’re a germ theory denialist and move on?

  • Jesus baby

    Lowell, if you understood the lawsuit, what the plaintiff’s lawyers want Thompson to testify about, and rules about government employees testifying in non-federal civil cases, you would understand the CDC’s decision. But you know you have no clue about any of that, so you’re just going to bury your head in the sand. In you case it’s the safest ploy you have, but it shows how completely uninformed you are.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well clearly Lowell can’t clarify his position because we’ve already reached the bottom of that ankle deep pool…

    From a game theory perspective I think this dynamic is interesting. I personally don’t see any value in having an argument that eventually ends in finding out that the person isn’t going to define their point usefully over having the “What’s your argument?” discussion up front and finding that out right away. That’s not to diminish those who do get into it with Lowell. There are lots of equally valid motivations.

    Lowell on the other hand makes a big hue and cry about the conversation not progressing and follows me around to berate me about it. Which tells me that he gets some kind of value out of this kind of discussion and considering how much he goes out of his way to do this it’s likely that he values this kind of opportunity to verbally abuse people far more than having a reasonable conversation about vaccines.

  • Jesus baby

    They were newborn angus and hereford bulls, Lowell, with tiny balls like yours. Where are all those microzymes?

  • Proponent

    Now, I trust that you won’t be a hypocrite, Lowell, and ignore the following studies that do not show a link between autism and vaccines.

    I expect a well-detailed response to each and .. not .. just some repeated denialist trash:

    Albizzati, A., Moré, L., Di Candia, D., Saccani, M., Lenti, C. Normal concentrations of heavy metals in autistic spectrum disorders. Minerva Pediatrica. 2012. Feb;64(1):27-31 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22350041

    Afzal, MA., Ozoemena, LC., O’Hare, A., Kidger, KA., Bentley, ML., Minor, PD. Absence of detectable measles virus genome sequence in blood of autistic children who have had their MMR vaccination during the routine childhood immunization schedule of UK. Journal Medical Virology. 2006 May;78(5):623-30. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16555271

    Ahearn WH. What Every Behavior Analyst Should Know About the “MMR Causes Autism” Hypothesis. Archive of Behavior Analysis in Practice. 2010. Spring;3(1):46-50. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22479671

    Allan, GM., Ivers, N. The autism-vaccine story: fiction and deception? Canadian Family Physician. Oct 2010; 56(10): 1013. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2954080/

    Andrews, N., Miller, E., Grant, A., Stowe, J., Osborn, V., & Taylor, B. (2004). Thimerosal exposure in infants and developmental disorders: a retrospective cohort study in the United Kingdom does not support a causal association. Pediatrics, 114, 584-591. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15342825

    Andrews, N., Miller, E., Taylor, B., Lingam, R., Simmons, A., Stowe, J., Waight, P. Recall bias, MMR and autism. Archives of Disease in Childhood. Dec 2002; 87(6): 493–494. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1755823/pdf/v087p00493.pdf

    Baird, G., Pickles, A., Simonoff, E., Charman, T., Sullivan, P., Chandler, S., Loucas, T., Meldrum, D., Afzal, M., Thomas, B., Jin, L., Brown, D. Measles vaccination and antibody response in autism spectrum disorders. Archives of Disease in Childhood. 2008 Oct;93(10):832-7. doi: 10.1136/adc.2007.122937. Epub 2008 Feb 5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18252754

    Berger, BE., Navar-Boggan, AM., Omer, SB. Congenital rubella syndrome and autism spectrum disorder prevented by rubella vaccination–United States, 2001-2010. BMC Public Health. 2011 May 19;11:340. doi: 10.1186/1471-2458-11-340. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21592401

    Black, C., Kaye, JA. Relation of childhood gastrointestinal disorders to autism: nested case-control study using data from the UK General Practice Research Database. British Medical Journal. 2002; 325(7361):419-21. http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmj.325.7361.419

    Bower, H. New research demolishes link between MMR vaccine and autism. British Medical Journal. 1999. Jun 19;318(7199):1643. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116011/

    Chen, W., Landau, S., Sham, P., & Fombonne, E. (2004). No evidence for links between autism, MMR and measles virus. Psychological Medicine, 34(3), 543-553. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15259839

    Christie, B. Scottish expert group finds no link between MMR and autism. British Medical Journal, 2002. May 11;324(7346):1118. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1172158/

    Clements, CJ., McIntyre, PB. When science is not enough – a risk/benefit profile of thiomersal-containing vaccines. Expert Drug Opinion Safety. 2006. Jan;5(1):17-29. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16370953

    Dales, L., Hammer, S. J., & Smith, N. J. (2001). Time trends in autism and in MMR immunization coverage in California. JAMA, 285(9), 1183-1185. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11231748

    De Los Reyes, EC. Autism and immunizations: separating fact from fiction. JAMA Neurology. 2010;67(4):490-492. doi:10.1001/archneurol.2010.57. http://archneur.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=799645

    DeWilde, S., Carey, IM., Richards, N., Hilton, SR., Cook, DG. Do children who become autistic consult more often after MMR vaccination? British Journal of General Practice. 2001 Mar;51(464):226-7. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1313956/

    Demicheli, V., Jefferson, T., Rivetti, A., & Price, D. (2005). Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children. Cochrane Database Syst Rev, 4. (a review of 31 studies) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22336803

    DeStefano, F. MMR vaccine and autism: a review of the evidence for a causal association. Molecular Psychiatry. 2002;7 Suppl 2:S51-2.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12142951

    DeStefano, F., Chen, RT. Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: No epidemiological evidence for a causal association. The Journal of Pediatrics. 2000 Jan;136(1):125. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10681219

    DeStefano, F., Bhasin, T. K., Thompson, W. W., Yeargin-Allsopp, M., & Boyle, C. (2004). Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan Atlanta. Pediatrics, 113(2), 259-266. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754936

    DeStefano F., Price CS., Weintraub, ES. Increasing exposure to antibody-stimulating proteins and polysaccharides in vaccines is not associated with risk of autism. Journal of Pediatrics. 2013 Aug;163(2):561-7. doi: 10.1016/j.jpeds.2013.02.001. Epub 2013 Mar 30. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23545349

    DeStefano F., Thompson, WW. MMR vaccine and autism: an update of the scientific evidence. Expert Rev Vaccines. 2004 Feb;3(1):19-22. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14761240

    DeStefano F., Thompson, WW. MMR vaccination and autism: is there a link? Expert Opinion on Drug Safety. 2002 Jul;1(2):115-20. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12904145

    DeStefano, F. Chen, RT. Negative association between MMR and autism. Lancet. 1999 Jun 12;353(9169):1987-8. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(99)00160-9/fulltext

    DeStefano, F., Chen, RT. Autism and measles-mumps-rubella vaccination: controversy laid to rest? CNS Drugs. 2001. 2001;15(11):831-7. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11700148

    D’Souza J., Todd T. Measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and the development of autism or inflammatory bowel disease: the controversy should end. Journal of Pedatric Pharmacology and Therapeutics. 2003 Jul;8(3):187-99. doi: 10.5863/1551-6776-8.3.187. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3469143/

    D’Souza, Y., Fombonne, E., Ward, BJ. No evidence of persisting measles virus in peripheral blood mononuclear cells from children with autism spectrum disorder. Pediatrics. 2006 Oct;118(4):1664-75. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17015560

    Doja, A., & Roberts, W. (2006). Immunizations and autism: A review of the literature. The Canadian Journal of Neurological Sciences, 33(4), 341-346. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17168158

    Elliman, D., Bedford, H. MMR: where are we now? Archives of Disease in Childhood. 2007 Dec;92(12):1055-7. Epub 2007 Jul 11. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2066086/

    Farrington, C., Miller, E., & Taylor, B. (2001). MMR and autism: further evidence against a causal association. Vaccine, 19(27), 3632-3635. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11395196

    Fitzpatrick, M. The end of the road for the campaign against MMR. British Journal of General Practice. 2007 Aug;57(541):679. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17688775

    Fombonne, E., & Chakrabarti, S. (2001). No evidence for a new variant of measles-mumps-rubella–induced autism. Pediatrics, 108(4), e58-e58. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11581466

    Fombonne, E., Zakarian, R., Bennett, A., Meng, L., & McLean-Heywood, D. (2006). Pervasive developmental disorders in Montreal, Quebec, Canada: Prevalence and links with immunizations. Pediatrics 118(1) e139-e150; doi:10.1542/peds.2005-2993. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/118/1/e139

    García-Fernández, L., Hernández, AV., Suárez Moreno, V., Fiestas, F. Addressing the controversy regarding the association between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism. Revista Peruana de Medicine Experimental Salud Publica. 2013 Apr;30(2):268-74. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23949514

    Gentile, I., Bravaccio, C., Bonavolta, R., Zappulo, E., Scarica, S., Riccio, MP., Settimi, A., Portella, G., Pascotta, A., Borgia, G. Response to measles-mumps-rubella vaccine in children with autism spectrum disorders. In Vivo 2013 May-Jun;27(3):377-82. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23606694

    Glasper, EA. New evidence reaffirms the safety of the MMR vaccine. British Journal of Nursing. 2002 Jun 27-Jul 10;11(12):794. http://www.internurse.com/cgi-bin/go.pl/library/article.cgi?uid=10298;article=BJN_11_12_794_0

    Halsey, NA., Hyman, SL. Measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and autistic spectrum disorder: report from the New Challenges
    in Childhood Immunizations Conference convened in Oak Brook, Illinois. June 12-13, 2000. Pediatrics. 2001 May;107(5):E84. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11331734

    Hayney MS. Vaccine Safety: no link between thimerosal and autism. Journal of American Pharmacists Association. 2003. 2004 Nov-Dec;44(6):725-6. http://japha.org/article.aspx?articleid=1039011

    Hertz-Picciotto, I., Green, P., Delwiche, L., Hansen, R., Walker, C., & Pessah, I. (2010). Blood mercury concentrations in CHARGE Study children with and without autism. Environmental Health Perspectives, 118(1), 161-166. doi:10.1289/ehp.0900736 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20056569

    Hensley, E. Briars, L. Closer look at autism and the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine. Journal of American Pharmacist’s Association. 2003. 2010 Nov-Dec;50(6):736-41. doi: 10.1331/JAPhA.2010.10004. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21071320

    Heron, J., Golding, J., ALSPAC Study Team. Thimerosal
    exposure in infants and developmental disorders: a prospective cohort study in the United Kingdom does not support a causal association. Pediatrics. 2004 Sep;114(3):577-83. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15342824

    Hessel, L. Mercury in vaccines. Bulletin of the National Academy of Medicine. 2003;187(8):1501-10. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15146581

    Hiroshi, T., Suzumura, S., Shirakizawa, F., Wada, N., Tanaka-Taya, K., Arai, S., Okabe, N., Ichikawa, H., Sato, T. An epidemiological study on Japanese Autism concerning Routine Childhood Immunization History. Japanese Journal of Infectious Diseases. 56, 114-117, 2003. http://www0.nih.go.jp/JJID/56/114.pdf

    Honda, H., Shimizu, Y., & Rutter, M. (2005). No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry. 46(6), doi: 10.1111/j.1469-7610.2005.01425.x. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15877763

    Hornig, M., Briese, T., Bule, T., Bauman, M.L., Lauwers, G., Siemetzki, U., Hummel, K., Rota, PA., Bellini, WJ., O’Leary, JJ., Sheils, O., Alden, E., Pickering, L., Lipkin, W.I. Lack of association between measles virus vaccine and autism with enteropathy: a case-control study. 2008. PLoS One, 3(9), e3140. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0003140. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18769550

    Hurley, A., Tadrous, M., Miller, ES. Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism: a review of recent epidemiological studies. Journal of Pediatric Pharmacology and Therapeutics. 2010 Jul-Sep; 15(3): 173-181. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3018252/

    … …

    And.. go!

    … …

    (p.s. More to come and look forward to your analysis of each and every one.)

  • Ron Roy

    “The chronicle of mans progress is the history of
    Authority refuted” ~ Dr.
    Bernard
    Rimland, Autism Research Institute.

    “We need to stop calling it Autism and call it what it
    is! —Vaccine Induced Brain Injury.” ~ Dr. Brian

    Hooker Ph.D. PE

    [Autism
    was exceedingly rare (see:
    Autism rare,
    Leo Kanner) before mass
    Mercury containing
    DPT
    vaccines came on the market. The scientific proof of vaccine autism has been around
    for some time (see: Independent studies
    Thimerosol) but kept from the public by the industry controlled media who
    trumpet the smokescreen of junk science epidemiology studies (Greek
    Chorus) that have all been
    shredded numerous times (helped by Study data kept
    secret,
    Autism and
    genetics, change in diagnosis),
    while suppressing the truth on whistleblower
    Dr. Andy
    Wakefield, and
    Vaccine autism Court awards.
    Plus the studies done by
    Dan Olmsted,
    Donald Meserlian &
    Generation Rescue
    etc,
    while the thousands of anecdotes (Autism & vaccination: media stories
    MMR media stories
    DPT media vaccine victim
    stories) are ignored
    for obvious reasons.

  • Ron Roy
  • Proponent

    Looks like you dropped your copypasta in the sink .. and .. on the floor, Ronald.

    Clean up your mess of a post.. sheesh.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So are they made of atoms or not? So what test can be done to determine something is indestructible?

    You don’t know do you? *sigh* So you really aren’t someone who should be preaching this stuff right? Because you can’t even answer the simplest questions. Right?

  • shay simmons

    No kidding. Just when you think you’ve reached the bottom of Lowell’s crazy, you realize he’s got a crazy underground garage.

  • Ron Roy

    If you have bothered to click on the link I posted you would have your answer. But your stubborn pride or your source of income prohibits you from doing so.

  • Ron Roy

    You really are mentally challenged. Now follow my instruction V E R Y C A R E F U L LY. Go to WHALE / VACCINE CLICK ON HOME AND THEN ENTER WHATEVER YOUR LOOKING FOR IN THE SEARCH BOX.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope, it simply didn’t address my questions. Now if I’m wrong and you can point to a specific passage which clearly shows how it was tested for indestructibility (not simply making them hot) and clearly and unambiguously demonstrate that they are not constructed of atoms. Then you would have a point. However it’s your pride that stops you from admitting that the claim is silly pre-scientific nonsense.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …or use a ouija board. Tell you what I’ll use one right now. Wait I’m getting a message….

    …N..o…m..a…t…t…e..r…..h..o….w…t…h….i…n…..y…..o….u….s…l…i……c..
    e..i…t….i….t….s….s…..t.i…l…l..b…a…l…o…n…e….y…R….o…n.

    I wonder what that means.

  • Proponent

    “The use of the ouija board is dangerous in the extreme. The ouija is not under any form of higher protection or guardianship as is the case with the five methods of obtaining knowledge described in the last chapters. The practice of the ouija was allowed into the world as part of a bargain made with the darker forces who are working for the destruction of humanity, for in return these darker forces have agreed not to interfere with the other five methods.

    The ouija can be considered as a doorway or portal into other realms of being and experience which are at a similar level to the earth, or lower. This means that the only entities that can ever be contacted through the use of the ouija board are those of the human group of souls who have recently died and have not yet elevated themselves to a higher level, or entities and creatures of a lower or baser nature who have no desire to help, encourage or enlighten the questioner, but rather drag him lower than his present level by offering material benefits within the real world.

    This is the reason why information obtained via the ouija board so often turns out to be false or misleading. The entities contacted are generally without any appreciation of the true nature of creation or of the goal of mankind. They server only the selfish interests and wish to destroy those who use the ouija in any manner whatsoever.”

    (Source: WHALE | “The Dangers of the Ouija Board by Hilarion.” )

    … …

    WHALE has the answers to every -thing!

  • The interest that I have in that lawsuit lawsuit, is in the fact that if Thompson testifies, it can and could set a precedent to get rightful decisions and well deserved compensation in the federal vaccine court, for those that have been vaccine injured, and specifically by the MMR vaccine. Something that in the past was unjustly denied. I am equally as interested in seeing and realizing the seeing outcome if Thompson were to ever be subpoenaed to testify before Congress, as to what he knows. Lets take as well Paul Offit, and subpoena him as well, for the same purpose.

    CDC BLOCKS TESTIMONY OF VACCINE WHISTLEBLOWER

    According to Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Dr. Thompson’s testimony is critical: “Yates, and thousands of others, lost their cases in the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program because the CDC and Justice Department submitted fraudulent science wrongly denying the vaccine-autism link.” Smith explained that “Frieden’s denial was a disappointment but not a surprise, since the inescapable implication of Dr. Thompson’s testimony is that the agency fraudulently altered the science to undermine autism cases worth potentially $1 trillion in compensation ordered by Congress.” Attorney Smith and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. promised to immediately appeal the CDC’s denial to Federal court.

    Read more:
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/cdc-blocks-testimony-vaccine-whistleblower-medical-malpractice-case/

  • Even more than in refusing to believe there is any evidence for the existence of microzymes, you should be equally as concerned about this information. Go ahead and address directly, what you can in it.

    THE FRANKENSTEIN VIRUS

    Like most of America, the Medical system is corrupt and rigged in order to control the people and make money by keeping people sick.

    Five Reasons to Abolish All Vaccine Laws NOW.
    Reason one. Viruses are not living and do not exist.
    Go to the next page after you read this page.

    This picture of the so-called virus that they said caused polio came from the book,” POLIO AND THE SALK VACCINE. 1956. Written by Alton l. Blakeslee SCIENCE EDITOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS and with a Forward by Basil O’Connor, President, The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Notice it says magnified 100,000 times with the electron microscope. The vaccine inserts say they have ‘living virus’ in them. They are lying. If the masses believe in living viruses and that they are a cause of disease, then the vaccine racket will go on forever. If you believe in viruses or not, the first thing you MUST know is that a “living virus” is a living lie. The only real pictures of the so-called virus are like the one above. Black and white pictures. They all will say magnified by an electron microscope as much as 180,000 times. All color pictures etc. are COMPUTOR GENERATED or what is called an “artist conception” (A fraud). Or in plain English–bull shit.
    The “fuzzy white sphere” is not what people think-a live or dead agent like a bacteria. It is what is called a pellet. It is the solid part of the infection they used that has been separated by their centrifuge machine.

    YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS NEXT FACT BEFORE GOING ON.

    Here is the Function of the Electron Microscope straight from the Manufacture.

    “The electron microscope is capable of revealing details as much as 1000 times smaller than visible in light microscopes because the wavelengths of electrons are much shorter than those of light. Transmission electron microscopes make it possible to explore cell strucrures and large protein molecules. Because beams of electrons can pass through thin samples, cells and tissues MUST BE CUT INTO ULTRA THIN SLICES BEFORE THEY CAN BE EXAMINED UNDER A MICROSCOPE. With scanning electron microscopes, a pencil like beam of electrons is scanned over the surface of a specimen. For images, specimens do not have to be cut into thin slices to be visualized. The scanning electron microscope produces scanning three-dimensional images of cells. Because electrons are easily scattered by molecules in the air, samples examined in both types of electron microscopes must be placed in a vacuum in order to be studied. As a result, researchers chemically preserve their samples first and then remove all the water before placing them in the microscope. This means that electron microsopy can be used to visualize only non-living preserved cells and tissues.”

    One doesn’t have to be a scientist or doctor to understand the way an electron microscope works. Any intelligent 10 year old can understand the words, “THIS MEANS THAT ELECTRON MICROSOPY CAN BE USED TO VISULIZE ONLY NON-LIVING PRESERVED CELLS AND TISSUES.

    ​No one has EVER seen a live virus, because they don’t exist.

    Stop now. To read is one thing. To know is another. Google the electron microscope for proof.

    The picture of the virus above was taken with the electron microscope. The real question is what was the object or material that is in the picture? You won’t believe it at first. After you study this you will realize how sick these people called virologist were and are today. People like that psychopath Paul Offit. But here is Salk describing what a virus is. Page 160. from the book The Saga of Jonas Salk,” (1966)”Now, the principle of vaccination is not difficult to understand. “A vaccine is made of the virus that causes the disease.”

    You will discover that the diseases caused by (their) viruses was the poison they used to create ARTIFICIAL disease in the laboratory, by injecting infected material (poisonous) into healthy animals. This artificial creation of disease had nothing to do with natural sickness.

    These are all taken from the book Thomas Rivers wrote in 1948. At the end of the page I will list more so that you fully understand what these sick people called virologist do to create artificial disease and make their poison virus vaccines with, and that is injected into children and said to prevent disease.

    Chapter 9–Harold N. Johnson-A Rockefeller worker.

    Page 233. Rabies. There are only a few laboratories outside of France and the France colonies that continue to prepare vaccines from desiccated spinal cords. It has been found that rabbit brain is a much better source of fixed virus (made in the laboratory) than is spinal cord. ( Fixed virus is when they inject the poison into animal after animal)

    Page 234. during recent years, the Semple vaccine has been the one most commonly used in the United States. It is package in 14 doses of 2cc. each of a 5 per cent rabbit brain suspension in physiologic saline solution and contains 0.25 percent phenol. (Phenol is a highly poisonous caustic crystalline chemical derived from coal tar, commonly called carbolic acid.

    VACCINE RECIPES.

    This recipe was from the shyster who said he grew the polio virus in 1949, John Enders. From the book, “PAPERS AND DICUSSIONS PRESENTED AT THE SECOND INTERNATIONAL POLIOMYELITIS CONFERENCE. 1952, sponsored by the National foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Page 35. “For the direct isolation in tissue culture of poliomyelitis from STOOLS of patients, a 10 per cent suspension of feces in saline was prepared. After the addition of 100 units of penicillin and 100 micrograms of streptomycin per cubic centimeter, the suspension was centrifuged for 30 minutes at 3500 r.p.m. in a Sorval angle-head centrifuge machine and 0.1 cc of the supernatant fluid employed as inoculum. White mice and rhesus monkeys have been inoculated intracerbrally with materials from tissue cultures in order to demonstrate the presence or absence of the virus.”

    Spinning $hit and injecting it into a monkeys brain. Man these people are beyond looney.

    Peter K. Olitsky,M.D. Rockefeller Employee.

    from the book, “VIRAL AND RICKETTSIAL INFECTIONS OF MAN

    THOMAS RIVERS,M.D. 1948

    1. Material-Infected brain tissue from mice.

    2. Add Rabbit serum.

    3. Grind in a bowl or blender.

    4. Centrifuge.

    5. Extract fluid in a syringe.

    6. Inject into the mouse’s brain through the scull or the nasal cavity.

    So lets end this by going back to the beginning.

    SO HOW DO THEY MAKE THE ANIMALS SICK IN ORDER TO USE THE INFECTION IN THEIR EXPERIMENTS?

    Here is the answer.

    READ …MUCH MORE:
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

  • Those of us who have done the real and independent research, have already looked at both sides of the existing studies. Those studies are nothing but insignificant junk science. When are they going to do the real and so long needed studies, that they have never done?

    In the below page information, I detail exactly why those studies are not only junk science, but largely inadequate to show any form of current vaccine safety, and based on the existing CDC vaccine schedule.

    Actually educate yourself!!! You refuse to make any real attempt to.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    ​My response to Antonio Baduy Cámara, and the blog Skeptical Raptor, as to their response to 9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxer’s
    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • How would you even have seen my balls at all, you sick pervert? So now you are obsessed as well over what is between my legs? Apparently there is no end to the personal obsessions you have regarding me. You want to talk about having absolutely having no balls? Look at you using a stupid character name and no real identity. And now look at me using a real identity, and with no fear at all. But then when has any trolling shill ever been anything here but hypocritical?

    Again, go read this, and get back to me. You are in much deeper territory than in just arguing if or not microzymes exist.

    THE FRANKENSTEIN VIRUS
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

  • Again you are either lying and/or falsely assuming. I have known for years what has existed in regard to that information, and to include the information as to Bechamp and microzyme issue.There was no actual failure but your own.

    In fact, do you even realize how many years ago it was that I created this page right here, (below)? I think it was in 2009. It is more than obvious based on that-that I have always known what was involved in Antoine Bechamp’s information. Quite obviously you are attempting to just make it up as you go, and as all trolling shills typically do. These issues and the information, are not about me. It is about the specific information, period.

    The False Foundations of Modern Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

    Why is it that you could not actually respond to this, either? You have no real answers, and you never do. All you have is more attempted disruption and distraction. That, and more added false personal attacks in the attempt to falsely discredit the information put forth.

    The Persecution and Trial of Gaston Naessens
    http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/somatid.htm

  • You have no real logic going on other than in twisting irrational logic within your own mind and representing it in a post that actually says nothing to the reader, but that you are in repeatedly, deep denial. In your mind nothing is ever enough evidence of anything; as to that which does not support your pro-vax false vaccine propaganda claims, and views.

  • There you go again attempting to play God, and as well the judge and the jury in all matters addressed here. That is some serious bigotry and again those are some major grandiose delusions. Who do you think you are fooling?

  • Oh really? And again you can not answer the question, and simply answer the question with the same worn out question.

    Its going to take you a while to read through this. I suggest that you provide at least one paragraph in refute of that articles information. Can’t do it, then you should just stop reply posting.

    THE FRANKENSTEIN VIRUS

    Like most of America, the Medical system is corrupt and rigged in order to control the people and make money by keeping people sick.

    Five Reasons to Abolish All Vaccine Laws NOW.
    Reason one. Viruses are not living and do not exist.
    Go to the next page after you read this page.

    This picture of the so-called virus that they said caused polio came from the book,” POLIO AND THE SALK VACCINE. 1956
    Written by Alton l. Blakeslee SCIENCE EDITOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS and with a Forward by Basil O’Connor, President, The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Notice it says magnified 100,000 times with the electron microscope. The vaccine inserts say they have ‘living virus’ in them. They are lying. If the masses believe in living viruses and that they are a cause of disease, then the vaccine racket will go on forever. If you believe in viruses or not, the first thing you MUST know is that a “living virus” is a living lie. The only real pictures of the so-called virus are like the one above. Black and white pictures. They all will say magnified by an electron microscope as much as 180,000 times. All color pictures etc. are COMPUTOR GENERATED or what is called an “artist conception” (A fraud). Or in plain English–bull shit.
    The “fuzzy white sphere” is not what people think-a live or dead agent like a bacteria. It is what is called a pellet. It is the solid part of the infection they used that has been separated by their centrifuge machine.

    YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS NEXT FACT BEFORE GOING ON.

    Here is the Function of the Electron Microscope straight from the Manufacture.

    “The electron microscope is capable of revealing details as much as 1000 times smaller than visible in light microscopes because the wavelengths of electrons are much shorter than those of light. Transmission electron microscopes make it possible to explore cell strucrures and large protein molecules. Because beams of electrons can pass through thin samples, cells and tissues MUST BE CUT INTO ULTRA THIN SLICES BEFORE THEY CAN BE EXAMINED UNDER A MICROSCOPE. With scanning electron microscopes, a pencil like beam of electrons is scanned over the surface of a specimen. For images, specimens do not have to be cut into thin slices to be visualized. The scanning electron microscope produces scanning three-dimensional images of cells. Because electrons are easily scattered by molecules in the air, samples examined in both types of electron microscopes must be placed in a vacuum in order to be studied. As a result, researchers chemically preserve their samples first and then remove all the water before placing them in the microscope. This means that electron microsopy can be used to visualize only non-living preserved cells and tissues.”

    One doesn’t have to be a scientist or doctor to understand the way an electron microscope works. Any intelligent 10 year old can understand the words, “THIS MEANS THAT ELECTRON MICROSOPY CAN BE USED TO VISULIZE ONLY NON-LIVING PRESERVED CELLS AND TISSUES.

    ​No one has EVER seen a live virus, because they don’t exist.

    Stop now. To read is one thing. To know is another. Google the electron microscope for proof.

    The picture of the virus above was taken with the electron microscope. The real question is what was the object or material that is in the picture? You won’t believe it at first. After you study this you will realize how sick these people called virologist were and are today. People like that psychopath Paul Offit. But here is Salk describing what a virus is. Page 160. from the book The Saga of Jonas Salk,” (1966)”Now, the principle of vaccination is not difficult to understand. “A vaccine is made of the virus that causes the disease.”

    You will discover that the diseases caused by (their) viruses was the poison they used to create ARTIFICIAL disease in the laboratory, by injecting infected material (poisonous) into healthy animals. This artificial creation of disease had nothing to do with natural sickness.

    These are all taken from the book Thomas Rivers wrote in 1948. At the end of the page I will list more so that you fully understand what these sick people called virologist do to create artificial disease and make their poison virus vaccines with, and that is injected into children and said to prevent disease.

    Chapter 9–Harold N. Johnson-A Rockefeller worker.

    Page 233. Rabies. There are only a few laboratories outside of France and the France colonies that continue to prepare vaccines from desiccated spinal cords. It has been found that rabbit brain is a much better source of fixed virus (made in the laboratory) than is spinal cord. ( Fixed virus is when they inject the poison into animal after animal)

    Page 234. during recent years, the Semple vaccine has been the one most commonly used in the United States. It is package in 14 doses of 2cc. each of a 5 per cent rabbit brain suspension in physiologic saline solution and contains 0.25 percent phenol. (Phenol is a highly poisonous caustic crystalline chemical derived from coal tar, commonly called carbolic acid.

    VACCINE RECIPES.

    This recipe was from the shyster who said he grew the polio virus in 1949, John Enders. From the book, “PAPERS AND DICUSSIONS PRESENTED AT THE SECOND INTERNATIONAL POLIOMYELITIS CONFERENCE. 1952, sponsored by the National foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Page 35. “For the direct isolation in tissue culture of poliomyelitis from STOOLS of patients, a 10 per cent suspension of feces in saline was prepared. After the addition of 100 units of penicillin and 100 micrograms of streptomycin per cubic centimeter, the suspension was centrifuged for 30 minutes at 3500 r.p.m. in a Sorval angle-head centrifuge machine and 0.1 cc of the supernatant fluid employed as inoculum. White mice and rhesus monkeys have been inoculated intracerbrally with materials from tissue cultures in order to demonstrate the presence or absence of the virus.”

    Spinning $hit and injecting it into a monkeys brain. Man these people are beyond looney.

    Peter K. Olitsky,M.D. Rockefeller Employee.

    from the book, “VIRAL AND RICKETTSIAL INFECTIONS OF MAN

    THOMAS RIVERS,M.D. 1948

    1. Material-Infected brain tissue from mice.

    2. Add Rabbit serum.

    3. Grind in a bowl or blender.

    4. Centrifuge.

    5. Extract fluid in a syringe.

    6. Inject into the mouse’s brain through the scull or the nasal cavity.

    So lets end this by going back to the beginning.

    SO HOW DO THEY MAKE THE ANIMALS SICK IN ORDER TO USE THE INFECTION IN THEIR EXPERIMENTS?

    Here is the answer.

    READ MUCH MORE:
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

    The Persecution and Trial of Gaston Naessens
    http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/somatid.htm

  • AutismDadd

    How can you mess with my head when you are a bozo?

  • AutismDadd

    You have no evidence that smallpox had any positive influence on human evolution. Do you have a pulse or I.Q.?

  • AutismDadd

    Stop thinking, its not your super power.

  • Again, what a load of twisted garbage. What part of recorded human history has to have statistical strength, and before you will believe it?
    Sounds more like a mad man, just ranting more nonsense, and while he again and again and falsely exalts himself back on to a so refusing reality again and again, pedestal. Perhaps you are confusing the word and term statistical, with some form of making yourself your own personal great Milenko, were nothing in the vaccine and recorded historical information world is real and acceptable information, unless it is first approved by you. Its almost like going to the Great Wizard of Oz for the only approved of information. All of it first must meet the great wizards …criteria.

    I put forth science, studies, and data all the time, and have in the past and as you well know. It does no good because you repeatedly ignore anything and everything that you know you can not answer to. So your only option is to pretend it was never there. You are the one with repeatedly nothing to offer but more of your twisted delusions, and complete denial.

  • AutismDadd

    Whoop dee doo

  • AutismDadd

    Thanks Dr Hawkings

  • Again, just more of your own twisted and personally exulting yourself as the high judge and jury, delusions. And just like I said, again you can not actually respond and nor directly to the information, other than in making false excuses to ignore it. You too, all you are doing is causing only more disruption and distraction from any honest and diligent debate here, whatsoever. Using fancy reply editing as well does not make you look any more intelligent.

  • AutismDadd

    Nice happy face. An artist too

  • AutismDadd

    VACCINE DAMAGE from VACCINATION

  • Oh Hey Jon Boy

    Guess what? Your repeatedly twisted BS has never gotten you anywhere but to look again more asinine than the last time. What do you keep feeding those insane and false delusions with? Do you feed it only with and by means of your enormous ego; or is there cash involved?

    Here you go. Address it all directly.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    ​My response to Antonio Baduy Cámara, and the blog Skeptical Raptor, as to their response to 9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxer’s
    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    Thats some nice work on my part, even if I have to toot my own horn a bit on it. That is what the actual long term study of both sides of the vaccine information gets you to; a level like that, and which as a fact you can not even begin to compare to.

    Clearly something is missing from the statistical data, in your very own pro-vax camp, Jonny Boy. Figure it out.

    THE FRANKENSTEIN VIRUS

    Like most of America, the Medical system is corrupt and rigged in order to control the people and make money by keeping people sick.

    Five Reasons to Abolish All Vaccine Laws NOW.
    Reason one. Viruses are not living and do not exist.
    Go to the next page after you read this page.

    This picture of the so-called virus that they said caused polio came from the book,” POLIO AND THE SALK VACCINE. 1956
    Written by Alton l. Blakeslee SCIENCE EDITOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS and with a Forward by Basil O’Connor, President, The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Notice it says magnified 100,000 times with the electron microscope. The vaccine inserts say they have ‘living virus’ in them. They are lying. If the masses believe in living viruses and that they are a cause of disease, then the vaccine racket will go on forever. If you believe in viruses or not, the first thing you MUST know is that a “living virus” is a living lie. The only real pictures of the so-called virus are like the one above. Black and white pictures. They all will say magnified by an electron microscope as much as 180,000 times. All color pictures etc. are COMPUTOR GENERATED or what is called an “artist conception” (A fraud). Or in plain English–bull shit.
    The “fuzzy white sphere” is not what people think-a live or dead agent like a bacteria. It is what is called a pellet. It is the solid part of the infection they used that has been separated by their centrifuge machine.

    YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS NEXT FACT BEFORE GOING ON.

    Here is the Function of the Electron Microscope straight from the Manufacture.

    Read more:
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

  • Proponent

    Right.. so you are being hypocritical, Lowell.

    You: You have to address each and everything that I post! But.. I won’t address anything that you post!

    And don’t give me the..

    “I detail exactly why those studies..” nonsense, either.

    Either address each one.. or, don’t expect anyone to address your posts point for point.. point for point.. and so on.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s not hard to see the rationale if you pay attention. I asserted that I am clear and answer clear questions. Adad claimed that I don’t do those things. I gave him the opportunity to demonstrate his point, he declined. Ergo his position is without basis. In your mind nothing is ever enough evidence of anythingNo, as demonstrated many times now. I’ve provided clear, unambiguous steps to convince me of anything. You simply lack the ability to either understand or follow them. Something that isn’t really my problem.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, I’m simply asserting what is true for all discussions. When you refuse to clarify yourself those are the only two options. I can’t even honestly concede if you refuse to clarify since I don’t really understand your point. Anytime you start enjoying discussing vaccination more than avoiding my questions. I’ll be happy to wipe the floor with you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    What part of recorded human history has to have statistical strength, and before you will believe it?

    English please.

    I put forth science, studies, and data all the time

    …and I’d be happy to destroy your argument. If you could define it but you spend all of your time hiding way preferring to play games like this. Your choice, no skin off my nose.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well your prior statement was barely cogent. So I thought I should start simple. I’m trying to take into account your preferred reading level.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nothing self-aggrandizing about my post. I just point out that unless you tell me your argument in a way I understand. I have no ability to respond. I suppose the belief that you are somehow exempt from explaining things in a way that the person you wish to respond can understand is arrogant. However, that’s not exactly news to anyone.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and again. You have no basis for your claim.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Can you be more specific?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Your repeatedly twisted BS

    You are the only person who would consider a simple request for more clarity “bs”. As I said, if you start complying with my requests for clarity, then we can make some progress. Otherwise, it will be page after page of me asking for clarity and you denying it – and using that to justify your abusive behavior. It is, as I’ve said your choice but I think we can infer that you kind of like abusing people from how much effort you put into keeping this discussion in a place where you can do it frequently.

  • Jesus baby

    I haven’t made a claim yet, Lowell. I’m want you to show you understand what the lawsuit involves, and what the plaintiff’s lawyers want Thompson to testify about. All you’ve done is copy/paste.

  • Jesus baby

    You’re just trying to change the subject, Lowell. Where are the microzymes?

  • Jesus baby

    I have to assume you have tiny little atrophied balls, Lowell, because you run from specifics in all your arguments. Where are the microzymes?

  • Jesus baby

    Why do you always try to change the subject rather than admit you’re wrong? And you’re lying again about microzymes as you said they weren’t important in Bechamp’s theory. I showed you with your own links why they are critical. Where are they?

  • Jesus baby

    You’re again trying to distract by attempting to change the subject rather than admit you’re wrong. Where are the microzymes, Lowell?

  • Jesus baby

    It’s only positive influence was triggering the discovery of vaccines.

  • Ron Roy

    Great rebuttal. You MUST be a modern day SCIENTIST!

  • Ron Roy

    Johnny it’s not that Lowell isn’t clear it’s just that you don’t have the intellectual capacity to understand what he posts.

  • Ron Roy

    Acids, heat, cannot destroy them diamond knives cannot cut them etc.etc etc. Now Johnny it’s up to you to prove they can be destroyed. Oh you can’t find that information? Oh ok.

  • Ron Roy

    Ouija board? You believe in Ouija boards? Well that explains it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Then you can explain it to me. Right?

  • Jonathan Graham

    They are made of atoms. By definition they can be broken into their component parts. QED.

  • Jonathan Graham

    As a rule no, but this one had a message that was pretty dead on. Stopped watch and all.

  • AutismDadd

    Not in that context. But nice deflection/avoidance tactic

  • AutismDadd

    Children damaged by vaccination

  • AutismDadd

    That’s true, you are mainly a con artist.

  • AutismDadd

    Which you have no idea of.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, more specific.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Please supply a clear and unambiguous example with an explanation and definition as to how I’m being so and if correct I’ll apologize. The more likely case though is that you’re just making vacuous prattle again.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Actually I do. You claimed I was using “big words” when I was writing at a grade ten level. So clearly I have *some* idea as to your reading level…as told by you anyway. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    Oh OK so if I say the Moon is made of cheese you buy it.

  • AutismDadd

    Your lack of sincerity is overwhelming.

  • AutismDadd

    Male and female children on the planet Earth damaged by vaccines.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I have no reason to disbelieve that you thought those words were “big”.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m completely sincere and there’s plenty of evidence that I’m not above being corrected by people here.

  • Jonathan Graham

    More specific.

  • Ron Roy

    ”As a rule no,” But sometimes you do right?

  • You made the claim that Thompson is legally barred from testifying in the said lawsuit. Now, provide the proof and the evidence for it? Obviously you are ignoring what is involved with anything at all here. Actually I don’t need to show anything more at all here. The information has been all of it right in front of you. Again, the said vaccine issues are NOT about me personally, and nor are they about making me the focus of the issue, and in falsely attacking me personally. The vaccine issues are about the vaccine issues, period.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Other than this one, I can’t say that I’ve ever believed anything a Ouija board told me.

  • Ron Roy

    The Somid is

    Living, and they reproduce and are critical to existence

    Indestructible -It cannot be killed either by heat or by any chemical product.

    Has to be present in any kind of cellular division.

    The Somatid originates in a liquid form inside the red blood cell

    Are elcetro-charged. The membrane has a negative charge, the nucleus has a positive charge

    Are Pleomorphic (change into many forms)

    Science does not recognize the existence of somatids, even though they are found in all
    biological systems. They won’t be mentioned in biology class, and your
    doctor won’t look for them when he takes your blood. They are still a
    mystery. They cannot be destroyed even at 1000ºC. Millions of rads of
    radiation hardly phases them. Microscopic diamond knives have broken
    when trying to cut them in half, suggesting a crystalline structure.
    They have no DNA or RNA although they can change into bacteria.

  • No subject matter has been changed at all here, and it all is indeed clearly relevant. The only one performing feats of distraction and disruption, are the vaccine trolling shills here, like you. So just go ahead and admit that you can actually respond to nothing here that has been put in front of you; and instead that you insist on continuing with only more of your in denial and refuse to do any unbiased and independent research, ignorance.

  • Again, all of it is obviously directly relevant. No one is lying about anything here, but you. You as well simply ignore as well every reply post that has been previously made, to you. That is the only way you can operate, and in again maintaining your complete denial, and continued major level of deliberate ignorance.

  • Actually the only one running from any specifics is obviously you. But then high levels of hypocrisy are always found and present, and the main objective is always that, when dealing with trolling shills, and as well with no identity. You know that you …yourself …obviously have no balls at all, and that will remain until you can identify your actual identity, and as well your conflicts of interest, and which of course for you, is something you will never do. You first should stand in front of a mirror, and say these words before you post, ” I am a complete hypocrite”.

  • Ron Roy

    But you did believe right?

  • Aww Jb again can not respond to the subject matters posted, and to avoid nit just simply and falsely claims the subject matter was changed. If you had any form even a basic understanding of the issues before you; you would realize that it all is entirely related, and completely relevant. You just simply refuse to face it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    If they are made of atoms they are not indestructible. All atoms eventually break down even if you don’t subject them to stress. QED. Your article is wrong. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Only in the sense that I already believed that.

  • No matter what, in your bullshit world there would never be enough clarity for you. You are simply here to do nothing more than further disrupt and distract from any honest and diligent debate; and you know that.

    Complying with your requests? What a load of again entirely hypocritical and asinine garbage. And the only abuse going on here is that which you direct toward and upon yourself.

    Among trolling shills, you are the most in denial, arrogant, twisted, and the sickest of the sick. How do you like that obvious reputation? Is that your real pasty face picture, and is that your real identity? Who pays you?

  • Jonathan Graham

    No matter what, in your bullshit world there would never be enough clarity for you.

    …and yet there are many examples of people correcting me and me accepting their correction. So clearly the problem isn’t with me.

    And the only abuse going on here is that which you direct toward and upon yourself.

    No, you are frequently abusive and you clearly enjoy being so.

  • And again, you are here to do nothing but disrupt and distract from any honest and diligent debate. All the information you need has been right in front of you; and you continue to have the ability to actually respond to nothing. How bad does that make the pro-vax side look? I think you would be better off if you never posted at all. Ever word used to respond to and describe you, is entirely true, so just face it.

  • Evading the information that has repeatedly been put in front of you, is not in any way destroying an argument. All you do is ignore that it was ever there. And again, the only one playing games here, is you.

    And as well again; what part of recorded human history has to have statistical strength, and before you will believe it? Obviously you can not even differentiate between study information, and commonly recorded history. What part of the CDC and WHO claimed to history as to vaccines and the numbers, has any statistical strength? We say this happened and that happened, and with no verification and just because they are the falsely assumed authorities, carries no statistical strength at all. In fact the said term is not even relevant

  • Jonathan Graham

    All the information you need has been right in front of you

    Sorry you are not the person who gets to decide what I need.

    you continue to have the ability to actually respond to nothing

    When you can make an argument that is clear to me. I’ll respond to that argument. Just like I do all the time, everywhere else. Otherwise the logical thing to do is to ask for clarity.

  • Actually you are not even participating in the actual discussion here. All you are doing is again playing your intended disruption and distraction games. You couldn’t wipe any floor clean, and as you obviously can not and have not been able to directly follow up on even as much as one single vaccine issue that has been presented with here. Instead you simply create 10 more posts which distract from and continue to evade those issues.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Evading the information that has repeatedly been put in front of you,

    I’m not evading it. It’s simply insufficient. Different thing.

    what part of recorded human history has to have statistical strength, and before you will believe it?

    I have no idea what that means in English. Perhaps you might want to torture grammar less?

    What part of the CDC and WHO claimed to history as to vaccines and the numbers, has any statistical strength?

    If someone like Ron Roy understands what this means I’d be happy if he translates.

    In fact the said term is not even relevant

    So I’m guessing here that this last bit you are trying to claim that statistical strength is not relevant. Perhaps to the ideas about vaccines and some kind of injury like autism. Maybe?

  • Your post again says nothing. Nothing with any relevance, and nothing with any substance in responding to the original posts that have been made here. And again, your only goal here is to provide for reply posts that contain only more intentional disruption and distraction.

  • That as I said, that has already been done. Educate yourself. It is all there.There is no reason to post 3 foot long posts, when the information is already all there on one page, and right in front of you. You can continue to play your silly and twisted in denial games all that you want.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Actually you are not even participating in the actual discussion here.

    I am with other people. With you, you won’t clarify your argument so we have this meta-discussion.

    You couldn’t wipe any floor clean,

    Then you shouldn’t be afraid of clarifying things for me.

    obviously can not and have not been able to directly follow up on even as much as one single vaccine issue that has been presented with here

    I’ve read the majority of the links you produce – most of those I’ve read before.

    Instead you simply create 10 more posts which distract from and continue to evade those issues.

    As I’ve said it’s impossible for me to be evading anything as I see no issues with those articles. The articles are mostly conjecture, incorrect or appear to be misinterpreted by you. Now if you were willing to clarify perhaps there would be an issue. So far all you can do is evade my questions.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Your post again says nothing. Nothing with any relevance,

    Sure it does. You questioned if I had logic going on and I clearly laid out what it was. So it’s clearly relevant to your reply to me.

    And again, your only goal here is to provide for more and repeated reply posts

    No, that’s more your goal. See my posting goes up when you reply with your evasion and abuse. It’s not hard to see, I could run some stats for you but your responses to me definitely result in my posting a lot more.

  • What other people? Nothing will ever be clarified enough for you, you sick and in major denial shill; and obviously we all know it. Again, you are playing nothing but your sick distract and disrupt games. All of your puke sick cut the post apart and respond trash, can not hide that fact and that reality for you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    What other people?

    Rene for example makes arguments which I understand and respond to.

    Nothing will ever be clarified enough for you

    Demonstrably false. Sorry. I have responded to the arguments of many people here because they are either clear or able to clarify.

    All of your puke sick cut the post apart and respond trash,

    I think you need a break from your computer there. Perhaps read one of those “books” you’ve heard so much about. Personally I’m reading Il Gran Simulacro dell’Arte e dell’Uso della Scherma by Capo Ferro.

  • You actually laid out nothing at all. And no one cares how many times you post your sick, and entirely merit-less trash. It is still and always will remain only and all exactly that. But then and as I said, that is your only goal here, and to create as many ego-maniacal, in denial, demented, hypocritical, crazed, and as well disruption and distraction filled posts as you can. And so who pays you for that?

  • Perhaps you should take some basic reading comprehension classes, and before you post your stupid cut and paste response …trash. You are clearly the sickest of the trolling shill …sick.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You actually laid out nothing at all.

    Nope. I laid out what my rational was in response to your question. Hence you are incorrect.

    to create as many ego-maniacal, in denial, demented, hypocritical, crazed, and as well disruption and distraction filled posts as you can.

    I’ve humbly asked for clarification so that hardly qualifies as any of those abusive adjectives.

    And so who pays you for that?

    I don’t get paid to post here – I doubt anyone would bother but as my posting tends to go up when you respond to me. You could say that your responses result in my increased posting. You like me to post like this because you enjoy being abusive. Were I to guess you have some issues about feeling powerless. So you have to fantasize that your posts here are some necessary duty.

  • Ok, lets all go to the Wizard of Oz …Jonny Boy Graham for all of our approved of vaccine truth information. If he does not approve of it as a valid source of vaccine truth; then we all must remain as ignorant sheeple, and refuse it all as well. Nothing is ever clear to you, fool; and you falsely claim to that deliberately. When are you going to wake up? Who pays you for such reply posting …trash?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Perhaps you should take some basic reading comprehension classes

    Is that where they teach

    what part of recorded human history has to have statistical strength

    Must have skipped that grade. However it’s pretty interesting that you are unable to clarify even this short sentence of yours. I guess you don’t understand what you said either.

  • Many examples, where? Not on this site and its articles. Again, you and you alone clearly direct what you have coming to you here for replies. But then high levels of denial and hypocrisy are so common with you vaccine trolling shills. Again, who pays you for such posted trash?

  • Jonathan Graham

    If he does not approve of it as a valid source of vaccine truth; then we all must remain as ignorant

    I’ve not asked to approve your beliefs I’ve only asked that you are willing to explain them to me so that I can address them. Interesting that you are unable to differentiate. Another anti-social trait I guess.

    Nothing is ever clear to you

    Again demonstrably false many people here get responses from me without request for clarification. Hence they were sufficiently clear. So you are, as ever incorrect.

    Who pays you for such reply posting

    Nobody but you do encourage it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Many examples, where?

    All throughout my post history you can see me respond to people without requesting clarification. So at such a point those people were sufficiently clear.

    Again, who pays you for such posted trash?

    The only encouragement I get for posting here is the entertainment value.

  • Jesus baby

    Well A-dad if you have any other ideas about how great smallpox was for humanity let em’ fly. I hope it’s not some religious crap.

  • Clarify what? You have now evaded the original post/s for an endless number of reply posts now, and in those containing nothing but more evasion, and as well distraction and disruption. Who pays you for this kind of reply posting trash?

  • Sounds and reads like another beyond twisted and insanity filled rant of a mad man. Again, who pays you for such twisted levels of reply posting trash?

  • What a load of complete BS. Again, you have demonstrated nothing here at all. You are obviously crazed, you are delusional, and you are not living within any form of reality. You simply need to be banned and no one needs further respond to any more of your demented and twisted, ego-maniacal insanity. Obviously you are getting paid by the post, and to post.

  • Jesus baby

    Lowell, spoon feeding only leads you to deny everything, like with microzymes. For you to understand why his testimony wouldn’t meet the legal requirements you’ll first have to show in your own words you understand what the lawsuit is about and what testimony the plaintiff’s lawyers desire. There’s more than just copy/pasting required.

  • Jesus baby

    The subject is microzymes, Lowell, and you’re trying to change it into an argument about whether viruses exist. Stop lying.
    Where are the microzymes?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Clarify what?

    Well how about for starters you state your argument in a series of enumerated statements each logically necessary.

    Who pays you for this kind of reply posting trash?

    Nobody pays me sorry. Entertainment value only.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sounds and reads like another beyond twisted and insanity filled rant of a mad man.

    Then you need a reading comprehension course.

    who pays you for such twisted levels of reply posting trash?

    Nobody pays me. Sorry.

  • Jesus baby

    I make a point to ignore your constant attempts at distracting from uncomfortable subjects. So does everyone else.
    Where are the microzymes?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, you have demonstrated nothing here at all.

    I’ve provided an example of someone I’ve conversed with on several occasions without asking for clarification. You can easily check this. If true then clearly at times I do have sufficient clarity to respond and your argument that I never will have sufficient clarity is false. QED.

    Obviously you are getting paid by the post, and to post.

    Nope, you would have to be ignorant to assume that. However if that were true you would literally be giving me easy money and encouraging me to post.

  • Jesus baby

    Another gish gallop. Lowell, you need to stop running and pony up son. Either show us microzymes or admit you’re a germ theory denialist.

  • Jesus baby

    You’re just gish galloping to distract, Lowell. Where are the microzymes?

  • Jesus baby

    OK Lowell, here’s your chance to show you have balls-either show us microzymes or admit they don’t exist.

  • They do? I’m not sure what you mean by atoms breaking down. Is this theoretical or something that’s been observed?

  • Your in denial asinine stupidity and denial is going to be endless; and we already knew that. Get to actually responding to the information I have put in front of you. To ignore it is to admit your own defeat, and that defeat is now all to obvious. You refuse to educate yourself, and you refuse to learn. You refuse that because then you could no longer remain a paid vaccine trolling shill.

  • Gish galloping? “LOL” When are you going to address the information I put in front of you? If you educated yourself you might actually find them; but you refuse to. Everything I put in front of you is more than you can face and handle, and so you must just continue to ignore it. You can pretend that it isn’t there, but it is there.

  • So, what you should be reading and educating yourself to, you again call and refer to as some sort of a non significant, gish gallop? I pity you, and anyone with your level of obvious in denial sickness. Again, you refuse to educate yourself. For you it is all only about either your own personal attacking reality and the truth sickness, or somehow there is only a focus on the paid for trolling and shilling that you do. Which is it?

  • Jonathan Graham

    A bit of both, so I’m overstepping a bit there. Unstable isotopes undergo radioactive decay. The idea of stable isotopes decay depends on whether protons decay. Which is a theoretical possibility but unobserved. At best we can say that there are transformations which allow for this and don’t break the standard model (i.e. proton -> positron, pion)

    That said, we can still refute the indestructibility of these things on the basis that they consist of atoms.

  • Jesus baby

    Yup, you’re an emasculated, sad little man.

  • Jesus baby

    Where are the microzymes, Lowell? Let’s see them.

  • Again, you provided no verifiable example of anything. I actually pity a person with an obviously warped mind like yours.

    When are sick shills like you going to understand that you have nothing, and that you never will. How deep into your sick, twisted, and delusional denial, do you have to be, to not see that; and as to your continue denial of that obvious fact?

    You have nothing, and I obviously have it all as to the direct information, and as well in supporting that the existing and available studies. When are you going to do the right thing, and admit to that?

    I have far more than enough information to convince every individual and every parent out there that has a conscience and an open mind, to NEVER vaccinate again; and because the vaccine risks are simply not worth it. Risks that you of course, entirely deny.

    So, all you have left in this is to continue to attempt to antagonize me; and you have nothing left but that. That really is not working out for you, very well. In fact, that said outcome is doing your credibility and any you could have possibly had, far more harm than good; and as well as for the pro-vaccine camp, you are doing far more harm than good. You trolling shills simply refuse to ever see and to acknowledge that reality. Just face it.

  • Jesus baby

    Typical Hubbsian BS. Microzymes don’t exist, and you’re a germ theory denialist.

  • Jonathan Graham

    In fact, I’ll even say that proton decay doesn’t necessitate all atoms breaking down.

  • Oh, all you have is more personal attacks; imagine that? By supposedly a man that has no identity but to use a blasphemous character name? You are clearly a coward and in your twisted sickness and complete hypocrisy, then continue to have the audacity to call other people, emasculated. A person such as me who unlike you, actually uses a real identity. If you are not a coward, then use your real name when you post. Prove to me you’re not actually a coward. You never will, and because that is exactly what you will choose to remain to be.

  • I CAN FEEL MYSELF FALLING APART, HELP MEEEEEE I’M DEccdb b

  • Obviously you have no problem with being a major hypocrite, and obviously you actually enjoy it.

    Again, where are those viruses?

    THE FRANKENSTEIN VIRUS

    Like most of America, the Medical system is corrupt and rigged in order to control the people and make money by keeping people sick.

    Five Reasons to Abolish All Vaccine Laws NOW.
    Reason one. Viruses are not living and do not exist.
    Go to the next page after you read this page.

    This picture of the so-called virus that they said caused polio came from the book,” POLIO AND THE SALK VACCINE. 1956
    Written by Alton l. Blakeslee SCIENCE EDITOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS and with a Forward by Basil O’Connor, President, The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Notice it says magnified 100,000 times with the electron microscope. The vaccine inserts say they have ‘living virus’ in them. They are lying. If the masses believe in living viruses and that they are a cause of disease, then the vaccine racket will go on forever. If you believe in viruses or not, the first thing you MUST know is that a “living virus” is a living lie. The only real pictures of the so-called virus are like the one above. Black and white pictures. They all will say magnified by an electron microscope as much as 180,000 times. All color pictures etc. are COMPUTOR GENERATED or what is called an “artist conception” (A fraud). Or in plain English–bull shit.
    The “fuzzy white sphere” is not what people think-a live or dead agent like a bacteria. It is what is called a pellet. It is the solid part of the infection they used that has been separated by their centrifuge machine.

    YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS NEXT FACT BEFORE GOING ON.

    Here is the Function of the Electron Microscope straight from the Manufacture.

    “The electron microscope is capable of revealing details as much as 1000 times smaller than visible in light microscopes because the wavelengths of electrons are much shorter than those of light. Transmission electron microscopes make it possible to explore cell strucrures and large protein molecules. Because beams of electrons can pass through thin samples, cells and tissues MUST BE CUT INTO ULTRA THIN SLICES BEFORE THEY CAN BE EXAMINED UNDER A MICROSCOPE. With scanning electron microscopes, a pencil like beam of electrons is scanned over the surface of a specimen. For images, specimens do not have to be cut into thin slices to be visualized. The scanning electron microscope produces scanning three-dimensional images of cells. Because electrons are easily scattered by molecules in the air, samples examined in both types of electron microscopes must be placed in a vacuum in order to be studied. As a result, researchers chemically preserve their samples first and then remove all the water before placing them in the microscope. This means that electron microsopy can be used to visualize only non-living preserved cells and tissues.”

    One doesn’t have to be a scientist or doctor to understand the way an electron microscope works. Any intelligent 10 year old can understand the words, “THIS MEANS THAT ELECTRON MICROSOPY CAN BE USED TO VISULIZE ONLY NON-LIVING PRESERVED CELLS AND TISSUES.

    ​No one has EVER seen a live virus, because they don’t exist.

    Stop now. To read is one thing. To know is another. Google the electron microscope for proof.

    The picture of the virus above was taken with the electron microscope. The real question is what was the object or material that is in the picture? You won’t believe it at first. After you study this you will realize how sick these people called virologist were and are today. People like that psychopath Paul Offit. But here is Salk describing what a virus is. Page 160. from the book The Saga of Jonas Salk,” (1966)”Now, the principle of vaccination is not difficult to understand. “A vaccine is made of the virus that causes the disease.”

    You will discover that the diseases caused by (their) viruses was the poison they used to create ARTIFICIAL disease in the laboratory, by injecting infected material (poisonous) into healthy animals. This artificial creation of disease had nothing to do with natural sickness.

    These are all taken from the book Thomas Rivers wrote in 1948. At the end of the page I will list more so that you fully understand what these sick people called virologist do to create artificial disease and make their poison virus vaccines with, and that is injected into children and said to prevent disease.

    Chapter 9–Harold N. Johnson-A Rockefeller worker.

    Page 233. Rabies. There are only a few laboratories outside of France and the France colonies that continue to prepare vaccines from desiccated spinal cords. It has been found that rabbit brain is a much better source of fixed virus (made in the laboratory) than is spinal cord. ( Fixed virus is when they inject the poison into animal after animal)

    Page 234. during recent years, the Semple vaccine has been the one most commonly used in the United States. It is package in 14 doses of 2cc. each of a 5 per cent rabbit brain suspension in physiologic saline solution and contains 0.25 percent phenol. (Phenol is a highly poisonous caustic crystalline chemical derived from coal tar, commonly called carbolic acid.

    VACCINE RECIPES.

    This recipe was from the shyster who said he grew the polio virus in 1949, John Enders. From the book, “PAPERS AND DICUSSIONS PRESENTED AT THE SECOND INTERNATIONAL POLIOMYELITIS CONFERENCE. 1952, sponsored by the National foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Page 35. “For the direct isolation in tissue culture of poliomyelitis from STOOLS of patients, a 10 per cent suspension of feces in saline was prepared. After the addition of 100 units of penicillin and 100 micrograms of streptomycin per cubic centimeter, the suspension was centrifuged for 30 minutes at 3500 r.p.m. in a Sorval angle-head centrifuge machine and 0.1 cc of the supernatant fluid employed as inoculum. White mice and rhesus monkeys have been inoculated intracerbrally with materials from tissue cultures in order to demonstrate the presence or absence of the virus.”

    Spinning $hit and injecting it into a monkeys brain. Man these people are beyond looney.

    Peter K. Olitsky,M.D. Rockefeller Employee.

    from the book, “VIRAL AND RICKETTSIAL INFECTIONS OF MAN

    THOMAS RIVERS,M.D. 1948

    1. Material-Infected brain tissue from mice.

    2. Add Rabbit serum.

    3. Grind in a bowl or blender.

    4. Centrifuge.

    5. Extract fluid in a syringe.

    6. Inject into the mouse’s brain through the scull or the nasal cavity.

    So lets end this by going back to the beginning.

    SO HOW DO THEY MAKE THE ANIMALS SICK IN ORDER TO USE THE INFECTION IN THEIR EXPERIMENTS?

    Here is the answer.

    READ MUCH MORE:
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

    Basics of the Human Immune System Prior to Introduction of Vaccines: Are Vaccines Turning Our Children’s Immune Systems Inside Out?
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/06/10/basics-of-the-human-immune-system-prior-to-introduction-of-vaccines-are-vaccines-turning-our-children%E2%80%99s-immune-systems-inside-out/

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, you provided no verifiable example

    No, just an example that you are unwilling to verify. Different thing. If you’re not willing to lift a finger and look through a few of my posts to see people I speak to without requesting clarification. Then clearly you are happier in your ignorance.

    When are you going to do the right thing, and admit to that?

    When you clarify things to the point that I can understand your argument. I’ve given you clear instructions on how to do that.

    I have far more than enough information to convince every individual and every parent out there that has a conscience and an open mind, to NEVER vaccinate again

    Sorry, you simply have not been able to construct an argument that makes that clear. Even your supporters can’t explain your position.

    So, all you have left in this is to continue to attempt to antagonize me;

    You are the one butting into my posts and somehow I’m antagonizing you? ROFL.

    In fact, that said outcome is doing your credibility and any you could have possibly had, far more harm than good; and as well as for the pro-vaccine camp, you are doing far more harm than good.

    In talking to you the majority of comments I’ve received have been compliments about my level of patience. So I’m sure my reputation is doing okay.

  • Again, why do you continue to ignore this? As always, you can actually respond to and answer to nothing. If microzymes do not exist, THEN WHERE are those VIRUSES? Do you understand what a question is? Educate yourself.

    THE FRANKENSTEIN VIRUS

    Like most of America, the Medical system is corrupt and rigged in order to control the people and make money by keeping people sick.

    Five Reasons to Abolish All Vaccine Laws NOW.
    Reason one. Viruses are not living and do not exist.
    Go to the next page after you read this page.

    This picture of the so-called virus that they said caused polio came from the book,” POLIO AND THE SALK VACCINE. 1956
    Written by Alton l. Blakeslee SCIENCE EDITOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS and with a Forward by Basil O’Connor, President, The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Notice it says magnified 100,000 times with the electron microscope. The vaccine inserts say they have ‘living virus’ in them. They are lying. If the masses believe in living viruses and that they are a cause of disease, then the vaccine racket will go on forever. If you believe in viruses or not, the first thing you MUST know is that a “living virus” is a living lie. The only real pictures of the so-called virus are like the one above. Black and white pictures. They all will say magnified by an electron microscope as much as 180,000 times. All color pictures etc. are COMPUTOR GENERATED or what is called an “artist conception” (A fraud). Or in plain English–bull shit.
    The “fuzzy white sphere” is not what people think-a live or dead agent like a bacteria. It is what is called a pellet. It is the solid part of the infection they used that has been separated by their centrifuge machine.

    YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS NEXT FACT BEFORE GOING ON.

    Here is the Function of the Electron Microscope straight from the Manufacture.

    “The electron microscope is capable of revealing details as much as 1000 times smaller than visible in light microscopes because the wavelengths of electrons are much shorter than those of light. Transmission electron microscopes make it possible to explore cell strucrures and large protein molecules. Because beams of electrons can pass through thin samples, cells and tissues MUST BE CUT INTO ULTRA THIN SLICES BEFORE THEY CAN BE EXAMINED UNDER A MICROSCOPE. With scanning electron microscopes, a pencil like beam of electrons is scanned over the surface of a specimen. For images, specimens do not have to be cut into thin slices to be visualized. The scanning electron microscope produces scanning three-dimensional images of cells. Because electrons are easily scattered by molecules in the air, samples examined in both types of electron microscopes must be placed in a vacuum in order to be studied. As a result, researchers chemically preserve their samples first and then remove all the water before placing them in the microscope. This means that electron microsopy can be used to visualize only non-living preserved cells and tissues.”

    One doesn’t have to be a scientist or doctor to understand the way an electron microscope works. Any intelligent 10 year old can understand the words, “THIS MEANS THAT ELECTRON MICROSOPY CAN BE USED TO VISULIZE ONLY NON-LIVING PRESERVED CELLS AND TISSUES.

    ​No one has EVER seen a live virus, because they don’t exist.

    Stop now. To read is one thing. To know is another. Google the electron microscope for proof.

    The picture of the virus above was taken with the electron microscope. The real question is what was the object or material that is in the picture? You won’t believe it at first. After you study this you will realize how sick these people called virologist were and are today. People like that psychopath Paul Offit. But here is Salk describing what a virus is. Page 160. from the book The Saga of Jonas Salk,” (1966)”Now, the principle of vaccination is not difficult to understand. “A vaccine is made of the virus that causes the disease.”

    You will discover that the diseases caused by (their) viruses was the poison they used to create ARTIFICIAL disease in the laboratory, by injecting infected material (poisonous) into healthy animals. This artificial creation of disease had nothing to do with natural sickness.

    These are all taken from the book Thomas Rivers wrote in 1948. At the end of the page I will list more so that you fully understand what these sick people called virologist do to create artificial disease and make their poison virus vaccines with, and that is injected into children and said to prevent disease.

    Chapter 9–Harold N. Johnson-A Rockefeller worker.

    Page 233. Rabies. There are only a few laboratories outside of France and the France colonies that continue to prepare vaccines from desiccated spinal cords. It has been found that rabbit brain is a much better source of fixed virus (made in the laboratory) than is spinal cord. ( Fixed virus is when they inject the poison into animal after animal)

    Page 234. during recent years, the Semple vaccine has been the one most commonly used in the United States. It is package in 14 doses of 2cc. each of a 5 per cent rabbit brain suspension in physiologic saline solution and contains 0.25 percent phenol. (Phenol is a highly poisonous caustic crystalline chemical derived from coal tar, commonly called carbolic acid.

    VACCINE RECIPES.

    This recipe was from the shyster who said he grew the polio virus in 1949, John Enders. From the book, “PAPERS AND DICUSSIONS PRESENTED AT THE SECOND INTERNATIONAL POLIOMYELITIS CONFERENCE. 1952, sponsored by the National foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Page 35. “For the direct isolation in tissue culture of poliomyelitis from STOOLS of patients, a 10 per cent suspension of feces in saline was prepared. After the addition of 100 units of penicillin and 100 micrograms of streptomycin per cubic centimeter, the suspension was centrifuged for 30 minutes at 3500 r.p.m. in a Sorval angle-head centrifuge machine and 0.1 cc of the supernatant fluid employed as inoculum. White mice and rhesus monkeys have been inoculated intracerbrally with materials from tissue cultures in order to demonstrate the presence or absence of the virus.”

    Spinning $hit and injecting it into a monkeys brain. Man these people are beyond looney.

    Peter K. Olitsky,M.D. Rockefeller Employee.

    from the book, “VIRAL AND RICKETTSIAL INFECTIONS OF MAN

    THOMAS RIVERS,M.D. 1948

    1. Material-Infected brain tissue from mice.

    2. Add Rabbit serum.

    3. Grind in a bowl or blender.

    4. Centrifuge.

    5. Extract fluid in a syringe.

    6. Inject into the mouse’s brain through the scull or the nasal cavity.

    So lets end this by going back to the beginning.

    SO HOW DO THEY MAKE THE ANIMALS SICK IN ORDER TO USE THE INFECTION IN THEIR EXPERIMENTS?

    Here is the answer.

    READ MUCH MORE:
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

  • “LOL” Some top psychiatrist really needs to study what goes on with you, and within your twisted mind.

  • To even suggest that there is any lie in that, shows just how beyond twisted and seriously demented you really are.

    Actually try and educate yourself. Where are those viruses?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Way to deflect there Lowell. You asked what would make things clear. I told you. Now it’s all insults. :-)

  • Again, and seriously; a well trained psychiatrist needs to examine you, and do a study what goes on with people like you. Better yet, perhaps a team of psychiatrists and psychologists.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Just keep telling yourself something bad about me. I mean it’s not like you are trying to deal with your own issues of inadequacy here.

    Perhaps another insult about my appearance? It’s been a few posts since you made one of those.

  • Jesus baby

    No one cares what identity you use, Lowell. Where are the microzymes?

  • Jesus baby

    You really don’t want to talk about microzymes anymore do you?

  • Jesus baby

    So you’re admitting microzymes don’t exist?

  • Jesus baby

    Well you’re doing it and saying you aren’t so you’re lying. How else would you explain it?

  • AutismDadd

    Didn’t say I did, but if you know anything you’d know we are genetically only 10% human and the rest are other entities that have influenced and altered us.

  • AutismDadd

    Are you stuck in a time loop?

  • AutismDadd

    I’ve seen zero evidence but plenty that you are stubborn as a mule and twice as ugly.

  • AutismDadd

    Is the Moon made of cheese or not?

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, you just are not providing a useful answer.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’ve seen zero evidence

    Because you haven’t looked.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Not.

  • AutismDadd

    There we go, your hypothesis has been flushed

  • AutismDadd

    I read you replies, that’s all it takes. So are you on coffee break again?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I read you replies/blockquote>Not well enough it seems.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope.

  • AutismDadd

    whoosh

  • AutismDadd

    What seems to you is a twisted mess of blah blah to me.

  • AutismDadd

    So dumb. No shame right?

  • AutismDadd

    So in the prattle battle you are in the lead?

  • AutismDadd

    I prefer to read less garbage, so please reduced the amount you produce.

  • Jesus baby

    Way to not back up your assertions in any way.

  • Jesus baby

    I know, right?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m just pointing out that you often just make baseless accusations.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sadly you can’t have a cogent conversation about very much at all. Most of the time I’m just being clear and pointing out the problems with what you say.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well you did mention that I should be talking down to your level. So I’ll try to be more cognizant of your self-diagnosed 8th grade reading level. Ok?

  • Jonathan Graham

    That’s the sound of anything more than 8th grade text going over your head.

  • The information I put in front of you is perfectly relevant. How can you say microzymes do not exist, and while being unable to prove that viruses exist? Get it, yet? How is that a lie, in your obviously idiotic mind?

  • So you are claiming that microzymes do not exist, and while being unable to prove that viruses exist. Actually read the extensive information that was put in front of you, and instead of in denial just mindlessly ignoring it and then as well just coming back in and re-posting.

  • Indeed it does matter, and for the reasons as well that I just stated. You are a major hypocrite. And where are those viruses? And you still fail to see the connection to this information. If you can’t comprehend this, and its significance, then you should not be posting.

    THE FRANKENSTEIN VIRUS
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

  • My issues if inadequacy? Really? And what would those be; and go ahead and detail it directly? The truth regarding you, is the obvious truth, so called Graham. Anyone that creates the level of denial insane, cryptic cut and hack apart others posted replies, complete nonsense that you do; has something seriously wrong with them.

  • Who is really deflecting here?

    You said I am not lifting a finger here in support of my claims and information put forth. Really? What do you call this, and you have seen it repeatedly before. Now, tell me why that does not meet with your only self approved requirements, and so called statistical strength, and that which is good enough to so called, satisfy you? Get started. No matter how many time this is in front of you, you cant do it. And yet you continue to post your continued misinformation filled garbage as if nothing has ever been there.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    ​My response to Antonio Baduy Cámara, and the blog Skeptical Raptor, as to their response to 9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxer’s
    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • You have had many examples in front of you and which you have continued to ignore. So which is it; is it that you do not actually have the cognitive ability to understand it; or is it that you already know that there is nothing you can to to refute the information; and because you actually have nothing to refute it with? No vaccine safety studies exist for you to counter it with, and you know it. If not, you should.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    ​My response to Antonio Baduy Cámara, and the blog Skeptical Raptor, as to their response to 9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxer’s
    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • So you still can not present with evidence proof that viruses actually exist? So what do you suggest the microzyme is and was all about?

    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

  • Jesus baby

    You’re trying to change the subject because you know there is zero evidence of microzymes, yet you refuse to admit you’re a germ theory denialist.

  • Jesus baby

    I read the information, Lowell, and then had to explain it to you. You’re too lazy and stupid to read or understand the BS you copy/paste. Where are the microzymes?

  • Jesus baby

    So rather than admit microzymes don’t exist, meaning Bechamp’s theory is disproven, and meaning you’re a germ theory denialist, you just don’t want to talk about it? You want to keep trying to change the subject?

  • Jesus baby

    I’m not going to play your distraction games, Lowell. Where are the microzymes?

  • You are the only one actually playing the distraction games. This issue has been put in front of you repeatedly and by far completely enough, and you just simply continue to ignore everything that has been put in front of you. You either choose to get it, and at least start to comprehend what is in front of you, or you can continue to refuse to get it. Your choice.

  • More than enough information was put in front of you. You refuse to educate yourself. You refuse to do anything but remain in denial.

  • Same old textbook bullshit straight from the all to worn out shill misters online reply manual. You didn’t explain anything, and the truth is you never even addressed it. When you can not respond directly to the information, you go skipping off and come back in replying that the person who posted it, hasn’t read, and/or doesn’t understand it. If I had not read it and understood it, I wouldn’t have posted it. If you understand it so much better than I and/or anyone else, then give us a direct summary of what you read? You can’t even do that much. You are nothing but a fraud that doesn’t know anything, and you choose to continue and keep it that way.

  • Where is the evidence for the existence of viruses? Based on this information right here, there is no evidence at all. Again, what is the role of microzymes in the actual absence of environmental viruses? You can not even grasp a beginning understanding of this; and of course you choose not to.

    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

  • Jonathan Graham

    You’re the one who has to send themselves on a fantasy mission in order to post here. Not me.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Who is really deflecting here?

    Well I’ve asked for clarification probably almost a hundred times and you’ve refused. That’s deflection. So I guess it you.

    You said I am not lifting a finger here in support of my claims and information put forth. Really?

    The only place I’ve used the idiom “lift a finger” in our recent exchanges was to describe that you weren’t putting any effort into seeing how many people I have conversations with without requiring them to clarify things repeatedly. The list is quite long, so your effort is quite close to zero.

    Now, tell me why that does not meet with your only self approved requirements,

    I did right up there. I’ll state it again

    Well how about for starters you state your argument in a series of enumerated statements each logically necessary.

    So your links have no list of enumerated statements which comprise your entire argument starting at your list of assumptions and ending at your conclusion. Once you do that I can evaluate if each necessitates the other.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You have had many examples in front of you and which you have continued to ignore.

    No, they are simply insufficient. Different thing.

  • What a cheap and lazy reply. So you are admitting that you can not actually address any of that information. and as well none of the 9 questions. So again you call for it, and then refuse it no matter what. And you actually think that you have some level of credibility left? You have zero. Most readers should be disgusted with your entirely worthless replies; and as well the obviously continued antagonizing sickness contained in your continued replies.

  • Jonathan Graham

    What a cheap and lazy reply.

    Only so many times I can say the same thing without getting bored Lowell.

    So you are admitting that you can not actually address any of that information.

    If you’re not making an argument, what is there to respond to? Should I make up an argument for you? More and more you prove to be the lazy person here.

  • Clarification of what, you seriously sick man?

    And where is this so called conversation you refer to, taking place at? On your Discus article list as to your replies on other articles? Sorry, I am not interested in following your posts elsewhere, as your puke filled replies on the VT articles right here are more than enough in itself.

    In fact the information I put forth has a list of not only enumerated statements but enumerated questions that you obviously have no way to answer; which all in all in the end, comprise in the entire argument. You are just to unwilling to do anything but continue to maintain your ignorance. The end result is that it is made all to clear for you that there is absolutely no existing and actual study evidence for vaccine safety, and as well no study evidence that vaccines do not cause vaccine harm and injury on a large scale, and as well autism. If you can not see that-that information directly and specifically points that out directly; you have to be dumber than a wooden post.

  • See if you can post something that actually contains some form of rational thinking and coherent English? The only fantasy mission is obviously your own.

  • In your twisted mind, do you actually believe the obviously deranged and psychopathic garbage that you post?

  • Jesus baby

    Typical Hubbs lie – “I already showed you”. Where are the microzymes, Lowell?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Clarification of what, you seriously sick man?

    Your argument.

    Sorry, I am not interested in following your posts elsewhere

    So I was right and you were wrong. It’s not that I didn’t give you evidence that was unverifiable. It’s evidence that you don’t want to verify. Like I said, your laziness doesn’t really make me want to put much effort into my replies.

    In fact the information I put forth has a list of not only enumerated statements

    Not what I asked for, please use your eyes and READ the following:

    A list of enumerated statements which comprise your entire argument starting at your list of assumptions and ending at your conclusion.

    You’ve had this information for months and you still reject my requests for clarity.

    If you can not see

    What I can’t see is a….

    A list of enumerated statements which comprise your entire argument starting at your list of assumptions and ending at your conclusion.

    So there’s nothing that really makes an argument there. Sorry. If you were more compliant I’m sure we would have sorted this out by now.

  • Jesus baby

    So now you’re just going to flat out lie, huh? Where was the information proving microzymes exist, Lowell? (There wasn’t any).

  • Jonathan Graham

    You have many times talked about how you are “doing what needs to be done”. It’s a fantasy that you have made up for yourself. I’ve simply stated that I get entertainment value out of being here. So as usual, I’m right and you are wrong.

  • Jesus baby

    It’s actually the last post on this thread, which you never responded to you ignorant fraud. You thought microzymes weren’t an important part of Bechamp’s theory when the whole thing depends on them. Since then you’ve just been trying to distract and lie your way out of it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, if you’re not making an argument. What is there to respond to? If you are, then please format it in a way I can recognize. If you don’t understand I’m sure I can help.

  • Jesus baby

    Jesus tap dancing Christ, Lowell, Bechamp’s whole theory was that microzymes, which don’t exist, turn into pathogenic microorganisms. HOW CAN YOU STILL NOT KNOW THAT YOU IDIOT?

  • Ron Roy

    And your only doing this for fun! LOL LOL LOL LOL.

  • Ron Roy

    Johnny you’re PAID to post. Lying about it doesn’t change the facts.

  • Ron Roy

    ”Even your supporters can’t explain your position.” Johnny the cats out of the bag the sheeple are stating to realize VACCINE are harming their kids. When are are you going to Publicly debate me? No rules no voting but the local media WILL be there.

  • Ron Roy

    Insufficient? You mean you can’t answer them. What’s the matter Johnny are you stumped?

  • Ron Roy

    Aren’t you getting tire of getting your ass kicked?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yep. If you don’t think you lot are entertaining then you have an entirely maladjusted self-image. Talking with you guys gives me acres of stories to tell people and some really wonderful illustrations about how people like yourself misunderstand math and logic.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You would have to be pretty ignorant to claim that. QED.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and you still can’t explain Lowell’s argument to a degree that it’s comprehensible. Even when I’ve given a template to follow. So instead you deflect and run away from the question at hand.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Insufficient? You mean you can’t answer them

    Lowell claims he has an ARGUMENT. If you can tell me, in sufficient detail what it is. I’ll be happy to shoot it down. If you’re afraid of me doing that – then keep on not answering this question.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell hasn’t even stepped into the ring yet. So there’s little chance of him kicking anyones ass.

  • Ron Roy

    Lowell and you in the ”ring” Johnny don’t even bother. Haven’t you been beaten up by him enough already?

  • Jonathan Graham

    He hasn’t stepped in the ring. Means he hasn’t even provided an argument. Something I take it you agree on since you can’t explain it to me either.

  • AutismDadd

    No dum dum its the sounds of your crap being disposed of.

  • AutismDadd

    Once again a lie and a twisted recollection of something that only occurred in your mind.

  • AutismDadd

    Hilarious. Say hi to Larry and Curly for me.

  • AutismDadd

    Baseless as in no child has ever been harmed by vaccines.

  • AutismDadd

    Says the shill bot as he describes himself to a T

  • AutismDadd

    He got that square head from being stuffed in his locker repeatedly

  • AutismDadd

    ROFL delusional

  • Ron Roy

    I love that visual!

  • Ron Roy

    Love it.

  • Ron Roy

    Only people with a conscience can experience shame.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. Just the truth. I’d ask you to point out what is delusional but of course that would simply be you deflecting for the course of the thread. Which isn’t going to be different from what you’re going to do here. AutismDadd you are 57 channels with nothing on.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No it’s a recollection that you claimed there was something advanced about a post which was written at the grade 10 level. So a gr. 8 level seems reasonable. Do you want me to bump you to a 9?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m really just pointing out the truth. Again, easily demonstrated from the posting histories. Again I can easily provide examples if you like.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Baseless as in having no evidence to support it. So yeah you’re kind of into that. Not that it’s relevant to this discussion but I’ve never claimed there are no vaccine injuries and I doubt many, if any of the regular posters here have.

  • AutismDadd

    Well that would define baseless. But since at least 19 countries compensate for injuries there is no baseless.

  • AutismDadd

    Please don’t I don’t want to relive that with you. Too scary and zzzzzzzzzzz inducing.

  • AutismDadd

    If that will help with your coma inducing comments sure

  • AutismDadd

    Just look up the meaning of delusional and post your face there.

  • AutismDadd

    That is so profound and as a bonus…true

  • Jesus baby

    That’s right, A-dad – when you have nothing else, and you never do, just throw insults. You child.

  • Jonathan Graham

    In other words I’m right.

  • Jonathan Graham

    English please.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ok, I’ll endeavour to write at a grade nine level.

  • I understand it completely, and as I said it it you that refuses to get it. Instead you demand to ignore the fact that the evidence has been put in front of you that there is no evidence for actual viruses. And again, what role have been microzymes said play in that end scenario? You refuse to get it. You won’t even acknowledge what has been put in front of you. That makes you, the real idiot.

  • You know very well what there is to respond to here, and you know that you can not do it. So other than in to promote your continued and intended level of false antagonizing, why do you continue reply post? You have nothing, so just admit it.

  • I never said and/or implied that at all. You either just simply made that up, or falsely assumed that; and then just simply promoted it as fact. You twisted trolling shills all operate in the same way; and nothing much ever varies, whatsoever. That, and those tactics are all you ever have. The person that is actually only distracting, ignoring the information, and lying, is you. Last post on this thread. There are so many threads and posts here, no one could even be sure where that is, and you know it. Your above post is actually irrelevant and because the information and the truth has already been outlined and clarified, several times.

  • How is doing what needs to be done, and in promoting the vaccine risk truth, an incorrect statement; you twisted and delusional man? Apparently that is what you attempt to portray yourself as, a man?

    Do you as well get entertainment value out of the knowledge of vaccine injured children, and in which the parents will need to now care for that child, for life. Vaccine injury caused disabilities and autism, that now create a situation where that child will never again have a normal life. Do you get pleasure as well from the realization that the federal vaccine court decision odds are so largely stacked against the parents, and in favor of the CDC and big pharma? In truth and as to the evidence, it never should have been that way. Quite obviously you do, and that clearly as well makes you, wrong.

  • Again, there is no lie involved on my part. Where are those viruses? You fail again and again to respond to that, and based as well on the above article information. No evidence of viruses, then the only other explanation is existence of microzymes; and just as Becamp, Gaston Naessens, and others put forth. Just go ahead and get honest, and acknowledge that.

    The Third Element of the Blood
    by Antoine Bechamp
    https://www.newtreatments.org/fromweb/bechamp.pdf

    The Blood and its Third Element Publisher’s Description

    During his long and distinguished career as an academic and a researcher in 19th century France, Antoine Béchamp was widely known as both a teacher and an innovator. His work was widely documented in scientific circles. Few made as much use of this fact as the now famous Louis Pasteur, who set about plagiarising and distorting Béchamp’s ideas and discoveries, and in doing so gained for himself an undeserved and unwarranted place in the history of medical science.

    This text contains, in great detail, the elements of Bechamp’s Microzymian theory of the organization of living organisms and organic materials.

    It has immediate and far reaching relevance to the fields of immunology, bacteriology, and cellular biology, and it shows that more than 100 years ago, the germ, or microbian, theory of disease was demonstrated by Béchamp to be without foundation.

    The reader should be aware when reading The Blood and its Third Element that in formulating his microzymian theory of biological organisation, Béchamp in no way sought to establish it as the last word on the subjects of disease, its transmission, general physiology, or indeed the organisation of living matter itself. The Professor worked until a few weeks before his death; and if he were working now, he would no doubt still regard his work as unfinished.

    It is no accident but rather a vindication of Béchamp’s theories that many researchers over the course of the twentieth century have arrived at conclusions in various disciplines that support the microzymian model.

    http://the-blood-and-its-third-element.soft32.com/

    The Blood and Its Third Element
    by Antoine Bechamp

    This book is the last work by Professor Antoine Bchamp, a man who should, by rights, be regarded today as one of the founders of modern medicine and biology. During his long career as an academic and researcher in nineteenth century France, Bchamp was widely known and respected as both a teacher and a researcher. As a leading academic, his work was well documented in scientific circles. Few made as much use of this fact as Louis Pasteur, who based much of his career on plagiarising and distorting Bchamp’s research; in doing so, Pasteur secured for himself an undeserved place in the history of medical science. The Blood and its Third Element is Bchamp’s explanation of his position, and his defense of it against Pasteur’s mischief. This final major work of Bchamp’s embodies the culmination of his life’s research. This book contains, in detail, the elements of the microzymian theory of the organization of living organisms and organic materials. It has immediate and far reaching relevance to the fields of immunology, bacteriology, and cellular biology; and it shows that more than 100 years ago, the germ, or microbian, theory of disease was demonstrated by Bchamp to be without foundation. There is no single cause of disease. The ancients thought this, and Bechamp proved it and was written out of history for his trouble. The relevance of his work to the dilemmas that plague modern medical science remains as yet unrealized. This is a new edition of this title. The text has been extensively re-edited for today’s reader.

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2213391.The_Blood_and_Its_Third_Element

    Louis Pasteur Vs Antoine Béchamp and The Germ Theory of Disease Causation – 1
    http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/05/louis_pasteur_vs_antoine_bchamp_and_the_germ_theory_of_disease_causation_1.html

    BÉCHAMP OR PASTEUR?
    A LOST CHAPTER IN THE HISTORY OF BIOLOGY
    PASTEUR: PLAGIARIST, IMPOSTOR
    THE GERM THEORY EXPLODED
    http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/Bechamp-or-Pasteur.pdf

    Antoine Béchamp (1816-1908) proved that (all the following quotes are from The Third Element of The Blood, Antoine Béchamp, 1994, unless indicated otherwise)
    http://www.pnf.org/compendium/Antoine_Bechamp.pdf

    The Persecution and Trial of Gaston Naessens
    http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/somatid.htm

  • What evidence of anything at all have you ever provided, and where? You have nothing. You never have, and you never will. The actual epitome of laziness is found in your own posts. And just because you in your insanity insist on chopping up every reply that is made to you, into bits; does not give you any illusion of being any smarter, and nor any more correct. Just face it.

    You can simply continue on with all your twisted excuses as to why you have repeatedly failed to respond directly to the information I have put forth, all you want. You can continue on as well with all the rants and twisted denial that you can come up with and continue to make. All that is doing for you is making added and further reinforcement in the conclusion that you are nothing but an obvious lunatic. There is no way for you to any longer deny that.

  • You make so many claims that you have not and never will be been able to substantiate. You must feel a bit more than defeated in this?

  • There could not be anything more lazy than demanding evidence good enough and to satisfy you on your terms that you no one will ever meet, and then refusing to acknowledge and to respond directly to this. In fact that is about as sick and asinine as anything can ever get. Again, all you are conducting is further antagonization.

    You know that in any honesty there is nothing you can answer to as to any of those questions. Just admit it. Or are you going to just cut this reply into 10 more segments, respond, and just make yourself look even more in denial crazy than you already have?

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    My response to Antonio Baduy Cámara, and the blog Skeptical Raptor, as to their response to 9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxer’s
    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Just more of the typical Jonathan Graham insanity.

  • Do you even realize how continued insane your reply posts make you look? What a seriously sick man.

  • Jesus baby

    So even though your own links explain the central role of microzymes in Bechamp’s theory, you’re now going to say they aren’t important because it’s inconvenient. A simple plan for a simple man.

  • Jesus baby

    Try this then…scroll down in the comments until there aren’t any more below and then you’ll be at the last one. You better write that down first.
    But it doesn’t really matter, Lowell, you’ve been exposed as a fraud.

  • Jesus baby

    lol you’ve copy/pasted volumes about SV40 contamination of polio vaccines so we know you believe in viruses you lying troll

  • Jesus baby

    And another lie. And another feeble dodge by Hubbsie. Where are the microzymes sweetie?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell make an argument that is sufficiently clear to and I’ll be happy to respond to it. Right now all you are doing is pretending that I can’t respond when you are hiding information. I’ve explained in several ways what I need and have even offered to help you. You’re the one acting like you’ve got nothing.

  • David W

    Better make that a grade three level.

  • Jonathan Graham

    How is doing what needs to be done,

    Telling yourself that your vacuous and generally abusive postings are “doing what needs to be done” is sending yourself on a fantasy mission.

  • Jonathan Graham

    What evidence of anything at all have you ever provided, and where?

    Right up where I mention the name of someone I talk with here on disqus and don’t require them to provide clarification. This refutes your position that no amount of clarification would be sufficient. However you are too lazy to check.

    You can simply continue on with all your twisted excuses as to why you have repeatedly failed to respond directly to the information

    Because you refuse to clarify, I’ve repeatedly given you what I need from you and even offered to help. The person blocking this conversation is you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    There could not be anything more lazy than demanding evidence good enough and to satisfy you

    By definition everyone either requires evidence good enough to satisfy them in order to agree with a position or they are irrational.

    that you no one will ever meet

    Well I can’t make you sufficiently capable to meet my rather clear and simple standard of evidence. I can only offer to help and like all offers of help I can’t make you take it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nothing insane about knowing the difference between “ignoring” and “not sufficient to make a cogent argument I can understand”.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell, it’s always amusing to listen to watch someone like yourself who clearly has some issues attempt to explain other peoples reasonable posts as being the result of illness.

  • AutismDadd

    Won’t take much as your written skills are sub par already

  • AutismDadd

    Poor Ham the Neanderthal

  • AutismDadd

    No you’re coma inducing

  • AutismDadd

    Another juvenile response from J.C. Let the yawning begin…

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well as soon as they get to grade ten you start complaining. Perhaps I’ve been subconciously trying to keep things at your level.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Not really, I keep you constantly responding – you respond to me probably far more than anyone else.

  • Really, and what are those issues, problems within in your own mind as to one single person putting forth to much vaccine truth? That’s evidence of some issues? You twisted man. In all of the reply posting you have done here, when was the last time you actually addressed any vaccine issues directly, and/or at all? Instead all we read of is your ongoing efforts to ignore and refuse to address any of those vaccine issues. Perhaps this is to confounding for you but that is what the vactruth site and its reply posting is for and what it is all about. You have nothing nothing on here but deflection, avoidance, and more denial of the evidence of the actual facts.

    Here is something more for you to respond to right here.

    Attorney Demolishes Pro-Vaccine Talking Points, Lays Bare The Shocking Facts About Vaccination Risks And Dangers

    Attorney Exposes Super-vaccination Agenda, Lays Foundation For Lawsuits Against Government And Big Pharma

    The following exposé on vaccine safety and their inherent dangers is noteworthy because it is written by a Washington State attorney who really understands the profound legal ramifications. James Deal, J.D. wastes no time in completely deconstructing the many false assertions that are routinely presented by those government and corporate entities promoting a Super-Vaccination agenda.

    More importantly, Attorney Deal furnishes the American people with the substantive legal arguments which can serve as the basis for lawsuits against both the Pharmaceutical Industry and the U.S. Federal Government. When considered in the aggregate, the implicit points of law delineated below constitute a legal foundation for a clear-cut criminal indictment. Great harm is being inflicted on the children throughout the country by mandatory, state-sponsored vaccination programs.

    No entity under the sun has the right or lawful authority to arrogate power unto itself to harm or injure, sicken or infect, paralyze or kill the people of this nation. Not only is such conduct by the state a serious breach of the social contract, it represents a profound violation of the public trust. Vaccination programs therefore break the inviolable bond between the citizenry and the government.

    Most importantly, the systematic administration of state-mandated childhood vaccines constitutes a highly dangerous and deadly criminal enterprise. Those government officials and corporate co-conspirators responsible for this ongoing chemical assault ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Read more:
    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=12072

    5 1/2 month-old infant dies after 8 vaccines IN ONE DAY—> ‘SIDS’ Put On Death Certificate
    Then the hospital refuses to issue an autopsy report!
    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=12167

    And again, don’t forget this right here; and which is in regard to several articles you have posted on now, and yet you have failed to even attempt to answer even as much as one of those questions. In fact, as to those question no such supporting vaccine safety studies have ever been done; and you know that. In fact, all you have ever done is continue to ignore what has been put in front of you.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    Really, and what are those issues

    You really don’t see any problems with your ability to interact with people. Interesting. :-)

  • What is actually insufficient is you ability to respond. Anyone with even basic reading comprehension ability can understand it all, perfectly. But you maintain that you can not understand it. Really? You intentionally choose to maintain your selective ignorance, and deliberately. The real problem is that you are not only to lazy, but in fact unable to respond at all. You simply can not dispute the evidence of solid facts and reasoning. Get started. Or in the alternative you can continue to make an obvious fool out of yourself; your choice.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • There you go again in your obvious lunacy, even cutting sentences apart, losing the actual context they were written in; and responding with more of your in denial, and repeatedly arrogant, egotistical, and maniacal nonsense.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Anyone with even basic reading comprehension ability can understand it all, perfectly.

    You are simply not in a position to assert that. Even your fans have all backed away from explaining it to me. Not to mention that if I was feigning ignorance then the absolute best counter would be to agree to clarify things for me. Instead you know you couldn’t clarify things even if you wanted to. Which kind of makes my argument for me – that is you don’t know what you are talking about. Anyone who did could clarify. QED.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No I just pointed the obvious fact. Every rational person absolutely and forever requires evidence good enough to satisfy them in order to agree with a position. So your claim that this is somehow lazy is refuted.

  • That is right, and it is only your ability to interact with people and to get honest about what has been in front of you, that is in question. One thing that is for sure is that you are repeatedly exposing the level of your own dishonest, sickness, and complete denial that exists within the trolling vaccine shill side of this; and which you are part of. Again, all you people are here for is to falsely antagonize, and to create only more continued disruption and distraction from there being in existence here any diligent and honest debate at all, on the real vaccine issues. You know that is all you are doing.

  • And I previously asked your where that conversation is and was taking place at, and you responded with nothing, and you are still responding with nothing. I don’t need to go back through endless threads, and I am not about to; to prove your nonsense. You need to directly support your own claims, and not ask me to support them for you. And what is the name of that person? And as if it even matters. You continued posting is nothing but mindless and senseless trash.

    No one is blocking this vaccine truth debate and conversation but you. Respond directly to the information you have been provided multiple times. Either that, or simply admit that you are a twisted and senseless hypocrite, and leave.

  • You have that wrong. First I post the needed information and the questions, and then when you repeatedly fail to respond, and just simply continue to falsely antagonize me; then you get what you call abusive responses from me. The truth is that those responses are obviously well deserved, and in as well that you clearly and obviously have earned no respect, and in that you do not deserve any respect.

  • Jonathan Graham

    That is right

    So to you. Your behavior can not possibly have contributed even in the slightest to this situation. Right? You believe you have behaved in a flawlessly perfect manner. Right?

  • What you need to respond to is more than clear. Obviously nothing at all has ever been hidden from you. Again, neither your denial and/or twisted egotistic arrogance can not save you on this one. Any further claims that this is not sufficiently outlined and understandable to you, will only further continue to show what a coward and sick liar you really are.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    ​My response to Antonio Baduy Cámara, and the blog Skeptical Raptor, as to their response to 9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxer’s
    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    When you get done with that, you can finish up with this.

    Attorney Demolishes Pro-Vaccine Talking Points, Lays Bare The Shocking Facts About Vaccination Risks And Dangers

    Attorney Exposes Super-vaccination Agenda, Lays Foundation For Lawsuits Against Government And Big Pharma

    The following exposé on vaccine safety and their inherent dangers is noteworthy because it is written by a Washington State attorney who really understands the profound legal ramifications. James Deal, J.D. wastes no time in completely deconstructing the many false assertions that are routinely presented by those government and corporate entities promoting a Super-Vaccination agenda.

    More importantly, Attorney Deal furnishes the American people with the substantive legal arguments which can serve as the basis for lawsuits against both the Pharmaceutical Industry and the U.S. Federal Government. When considered in the aggregate, the implicit points of law delineated below constitute a legal foundation for a clear-cut criminal indictment. Great harm is being inflicted on the children throughout the country by mandatory, state-sponsored vaccination programs.

    No entity under the sun has the right or lawful authority to arrogate power unto itself to harm or injure, sicken or infect, paralyze or kill the people of this nation. Not only is such conduct by the state a serious breach of the social contract, it represents a profound violation of the public trust. Vaccination programs therefore break the inviolable bond between the citizenry and the government.

    Most importantly, the systematic administration of state-mandated childhood vaccines constitutes a highly dangerous and deadly criminal enterprise. Those government officials and corporate co-conspirators responsible for this ongoing chemical assault ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Read more:
    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=12072

    5 1/2 month-old infant dies after 8 vaccines IN ONE DAY—> ‘SIDS’ Put On Death Certificate
    Then the hospital refuses to issue an autopsy report!
    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=12167

  • Jonathan Graham

    And I previously asked your where that conversation is and was taking place at, and you responded with

    look in my post history. Which you won’t do. Afraid to find out you’re wrong I guess.

    You need to directly support your own claims, and not ask me to support them for you

    Actually it’s YOU who’s asking me to support your claims. I claim that Rene and I have had reasonable conversations and that I don’t need to ask him to clarify his position. I’ve provided where this conversation can be seen (in my post history). YOU claim this is not so. So as you say it’s up to YOU to support this claim. Otherwise you have no basis for claiming that my position is incorrect.

    No one is blocking this vaccine truth debate and conversation but you

    Sorry Lowell you have simply presented no argument I understand and you have clearly denied my requests for clarification. So all evidence says that you are blocking this. Since the only other option would be to proceed irrationally. QED

  • In the information right under your nose, character, with a blasphemous character name and no real identity. Where are those viruses? How many times would it all need to be explained to you?

  • Jonathan Graham

    If you don’t see how calling your activities “doing what needs to be done” is casting yourself in a little drama. I’m not sure I can help you.

  • SV40 is the so called scientific and within their circles, the politically correct name for it, and there is available none other. What is to say it is an actual virus? It could be a micro organism that actually isn’t a virus at all.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You have presented no argument which is sufficiently clear for me to respond to. What option do I have other than to ask for clarification?

  • No, what I said and implied was that the issue of the false germ theory was much bigger than just a microzyme issue. In and as to also the modern understanding of it; and as it relates to physiologically based natural (naturopathic) and non pharma based health care of human beings. You twisted it around to whatever you wanted it to be, and in and as to whatever you wanted to see, and thought would work for you.

  • Not true, and I have already explained this to you in detail in my posts, and I am not answering the same question multiple times.

  • You really are serious sick, aren’t you. Unbelievable. Like it has always been said, nothing will, or ever would be enough. You must continue to ignore and deny it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again Lowell you’ve lost that excuse. Since I have clearly laid out what would be enough. So what’s your next excuse?

  • Jesus baby

    If it’s right under my nose then it should be easy for you to repost the link. Let’s see it, liar.

  • Jesus baby

    No, Lowell, you claimed you weren’t a germ theory denialist because you believed Bechamp’s theory was the correct one. But you didn’t understand Bechamp’s theory depended entirely on the existence of microzymes.. Since you also know they don’t exist you’re now just deflecting. Where are the microzymes?

  • I suggest that you start re-reading your recent replies. I am not interested in playing your sick and twisted game.

  • Jesus baby

    Well, Lowell, if you don’t believe SV40 is a virus, what is it? And where are those microzymes?

  • I am the ONLY person who has laid out what actually is required, and needs to be done. Face it. No one wants to read about or hear anymore about your denial, and the very sick game you have going on here. Get your psychological issues addressed by a competent psychiatrist, and just quit posting.

  • Jesus baby

    You’re falsely claiming, as usual, to having already posted evidence you couldn’t find. Where are the microzymes, Lowell?

  • Jesus baby

    Translation: you’ve been caught in another lie and are trying to worm your way out of it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I am the ONLY person who has laid out

    Lowell I’ve laid out exactly what I require for your argument to be clear. So you have lost that excuse. If you would like I can lay it out again.

  • You are just going to continue on in your obvious sickness. If you can not do it then just get honest enough to say so. As I said no one here wants to read about any more of your extremely twisted sickness and denial, I assure you. You do not have a single liking follower but the same trolling shills that are just as in denial sick as you are.

  • Any readers here can easily read the posts that I have made, fool. You deliberately refuse to get it, and in and as to what amounts to the simplest of matters. Nothing would ever be enough.

  • Again, everything was fully explained to in my posts, and you still can not produce the evidence for viruses. That would leave only one explanation left, and that is that microzymes truly do exist. You deliberately post as if you are entirely stupid, and just to avoid the obvious. You may think you are simply antagonizing me, but the real outcome for you is that you are only showing what you are really made of; and that obviously is not going to impress anyone. Could you continue to post that kind of denial and that level of of blatant stupidity, if you had to use your real identity? I think not.

  • No, actually I got additionally educated to the information properly, and this document is what provided that. You should try it yourself, but we all know you will refuse to.

    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

  • Did you find it and figure it out, yet? Not actually reading all your replies is a continual problem for you, it seems.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again Lowell I’ve laid out what I need. So you have no excuse. You are willfully not providing me with what I need to evaluate your argument. Furthermore you can’t even point out what about my request is either unreasonable or unprofitable. So you are pretty much pinned to the ground.

  • You are the person who has no excuses here; you falsely arrogant, and cowardly man. Put up, or shut the hell up are your only available and viable choices. Get started, and you know what you need to do.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again you are the one who keeps claiming that nothing would ever be enough. Yet I have laid out for you what would be enough for me to understand your argument. So you have lost that excuse.

  • And your point is? What does that have to do with your obvious inability to respond to what I have put forth? You need to be banned for posting nothing but repeatedly false antagonization. And again, when was the last time you addressed anything at all in regard to the actual issue of vaccines?

  • Jonathan Graham

    And your point is?

    That you simply have not provided sufficient information for me to rationally respond.

  • Jesus baby

    If I’d found it I wouldn’t ask you to post it, Lowell. Where are those pesky microzymes?

  • Jesus baby

    Lowell, “nothing” is all you’ve posted when it comes to microzymes. If you’re not lying post it again.

  • And that is just another load of entirely twisted bullshit. You can not even produce an outline other than to say it must satisfy you. Yet you know that obviously nothing would ever be enough, and no matter what. Again, that is clearly obvious in view of what I have already put in front of you, multiple times. You just simply ignore it. Furthermore, you have never even once been able to respond rationally, and since the very first time you ever posted on a vactruth site and its articles. Who do you think you are fooling? Again, get started with what you know you have to do. It is now 12 posts above this one. You know that you intend to ignore that information and those questions for the next 100 reply posts that you make, and you know that you have to. I can’t even imagine the need of your remaining that intentionally, deliberately, and selectively ignorant.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You can not even produce an outline other than to say it must satisfy you

    I’ve produced a format to follow probably ten or more times before. So again, clearly something would satisfy me. So again, you have lost that excuse and again if you need me to repeat what would be sufficient. Just ask. :-)

  • Jesus baby

    Wait, you’re saying your sudden belief that viruses don’t exist proves microzymes are real?

  • Go ahead and specifically repeat that same sick garbage as you have posted before. Go ahead. And do it completely, so any readers can see how twisted it really is.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Go ahead and specifically repeat that same sick garbage as you have posted before

    So you admit I posted a format to follow. So now you lose that excuse too. The only thing you have left is that you don’t wan’t to comply.

  • I never said what you posted was a format. What it was-was a bunch of egotistical trash and in falsely exalting yourself on some sort of judge and jury pedestal. So now you admit that you can not produce your said format. Wow, really; and who would have guessed, and because you never actually had one in the first place. Again what I have put in front of you, and that which you obviously keep reposting and running from, was more than sufficient for anyone.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I never said what you posted was a format.

    You sure did. But anyway here it is again. Please state your argument as a list of enumerated statements which comprise your entire argument starting at your list of assumptions and ending at your conclusion. Each statement between your assumptions and your conclusion must necessitate the prior one.

  • That was already done long ago. You still refused it. You refuse it because you know it is correct. Everything is numbered and outlined as to the questions, and in no uncertain terms. If you can not respond to that, and this information; and you already know that you can’t, then you should get honest enough to just admit it. How many more times do we need to read of your made up and false excuses? Get started.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    ​My response to Antonio Baduy Cámara, and the blog Skeptical Raptor, as to their response to 9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxer’s
    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    When you get done with that, you can finish up with this.

    Attorney Demolishes Pro-Vaccine Talking Points, Lays Bare The Shocking Facts About Vaccination Risks And Dangers

    Attorney Exposes Super-vaccination Agenda, Lays Foundation For Lawsuits Against Government And Big Pharma

    The following exposé on vaccine safety and their inherent dangers is noteworthy because it is written by a Washington State attorney who really understands the profound legal ramifications. James Deal, J.D. wastes no time in completely deconstructing the many false assertions that are routinely presented by those government and corporate entities promoting a Super-Vaccination agenda.

    More importantly, Attorney Deal furnishes the American people with the substantive legal arguments which can serve as the basis for lawsuits against both the Pharmaceutical Industry and the U.S. Federal Government. When considered in the aggregate, the implicit points of law delineated below constitute a legal foundation for a clear-cut criminal indictment. Great harm is being inflicted on the children throughout the country by mandatory, state-sponsored vaccination programs.

    No entity under the sun has the right or lawful authority to arrogate power unto itself to harm or injure, sicken or infect, paralyze or kill the people of this nation. Not only is such conduct by the state a serious breach of the social contract, it represents a profound violation of the public trust. Vaccination programs therefore break the inviolable bond between the citizenry and the government.

    Most importantly, the systematic administration of state-mandated childhood vaccines constitutes a highly dangerous and deadly criminal enterprise. Those government officials and corporate co-conspirators responsible for this ongoing chemical assault ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Read more:
    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=12072

    5 1/2 month-old infant dies after 8 vaccines IN ONE DAY—> ‘SIDS’ Put On Death Certificate
    Then the hospital refuses to issue an autopsy report!
    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=12167

  • Jesus baby

    Lol you “got additionally educated to the information properly “? Does that mean you no longer believe in Bechamp, or do you just not believe in viruses now? And what does that have to do with microzymes?

  • Jonathan Graham

    That was already done long ago.

    Please show the list of enumerated statements which start with ALL your assumptions and end with your conclusion.

  • Obviously none of it is only an assumption. Do you not know the difference between an obvious fact, and something being just an assumption? Are you as well so illiterate that you can not read numbered questions, and with supporting reference material? If you are and really were that intellectually confused, you shouldn’t even be posting on these articles. Just admit that what you read there is far to solid, and that you can’t even begin to address it. Face reality, and get honest for once in your life.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Obviously none of it is only an assumption

    All arguments require assumptions.

    Are you as well so illiterate that you can not read numbered questions

    So you admit you haven’t followed the format I’ve asked for.

  • Did I say I didn’t believe in Bechamp’s work? What was the point to what I have been stating, and just stated? Either you don’t even know, or you are deliberately determined to keep falsely spinning it.

  • All arguments obviously do NOT require an assumption, and such a claim is beyond stupid and ridiculous. That as well stupid format of yours has been more than followed, and not because you asked for it, but because I have provided everything you need. That is how I put such things together. Now stop making your endless false excuses and address directly those questions, and that referenced information.

  • Jonathan Graham

    All arguments obviously do NOT require an assumption

    Please provide a simple argument which requires no assumption.

    That stupid format of yours

    BOOM! You admitted it was a format. One more excuse down.

    has been more than followed

    If it had it would be easy to demonstrate. All you have to do is paste into you next post the list of statements. It would look something like:

    i) assumption
    ii) assumption
    iii) logically necessary statement from i) or ii)
    iv) logically necessary statement from any of above statements

    n) Conclusion logically necessary from prior statements.

    For example:

    i) Socrates is a man (assumption)
    ii) All men are mortal (assumption)
    iii) Socrates is mortal (conclusion)

    Until you do provide those in a post. You have not followed the format. This format by the way has been given to you many times. You know you haven’t followed it. Please do so.

  • Such crazed and continued in denial insanity on your part. If you choose to claim that what I have put in front of you AND AS WELL AS TO THOSE 9 QUESTIONS, is all based on only unproven assumptions, then it is your responsibility to specifically show and detail that, and your reasoning for that claim. So again, you are in effect admitting that you can not do that, and as well that you are only continuing to waste my time with again your further posted falsely antagonizing nonsense.

  • Jonathan Graham

    is all based on only unproven assumptions

    An assumption in terms of formal logic is a statement which is not proven in the argument. All arguments must contain such statements. Again if you are following the format that you claim you are following I would see something like:

    i) Socrates is a man (assumption)
    ii) All men are mortal (assumption)
    iii) Socrates is mortal (conclusion)

    This format by the way has been given to you many times. You know you haven’t followed it. Please do so.

  • Just like I said, you can not do it. And as I said, all you are going to do is continue to post further false antagonization. What a beyond intellectually dishonest, incompetent, and twisted man.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So let’s recap…

    You have agreed that I have posted a format.
    The format requires you to state your assumptions.
    Assumptions are defined as those statements necessary but unproved in the argument.
    You can not do this, nor can you provide a simple argument which requires no assumptions. Not to mention that this is a known principle of formal logic.
    Therefore you have agreed you have not followed the format.

    QED.

  • Jesus baby

    “What was the point to what I have been stating, and just stated?”
    I have no idea and am asking for clarification.

  • Ron Roy

    ”sufficiently clear” Suffering from cataracts are you? Too much diet coke and chips I suspect.

  • An essential part of the curriculum of Western patent medicine is by design the opposite of reality: Jenner and Pasteur vs. Béchamp, Bernard, Enderline, Rife, Naessens…
    Or cadaver medicine seeking to kill symptoms with new-to-nature pharmaceuticals vs. functional medicine aimed at restoring the internal environment and processes so the body’s self healing abilities can kick in again.
    The tragedy of students with a heart and a conscience is that they have no clue that they should check every bit of ‘science’ that the academic world is offering them…

    Paul Offit is a prime example of what Bertrand Russell wrote in ‘The Impact of Science on Society’:

    “Fichte laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will,
    so that, after pupils have left school,
    they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives,
    of thinking or acting otherwise
    than as their schoolmasters would have wished.

    Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age,
    to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs
    that the authorities consider desirable,
    and any serious criticism of the powers that be
    will become psychologically impossible.”

    “A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.”
    Saul Bellow (1905-2005)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again if you can explain Lowell’s argument go ahead but each time I’ve asked you to you’ve chickened out.

    In other words, you don’t really understand what his argument is either.

  • AutismDadd

    I feel sorry for you that’s why.

  • AutismDadd

    Your subconscious doesn’t interest me. Your conscious self already creeps me out.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, you just like abusing people.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m just saying perhaps your difficulties with grade ten text is apparent on other levels.

  • No, lets actually recap this correctly.

    What part of your intellectually dishonest and cognitively defective mind, tells you that you can ONLY respond to information that is first only an alleged assumption? In other words, you refuse to respond and reply to anything at all that is already and obviously an established fact, and beyond any reasonable doubt. Yet you go on to entirely contradict yourself in saying that nothing I have provided has provided anything at all that provides a simple argument which requires no assumptions. Those clearly are the ravings of a complete mad man, and that has no actual ability to respond to anything at all here, and in any form of honesty.

    Go ahead and tell me what it is about these questions and with its corresponding information, that is in its context so allegedly factually lacking, and deficient in its outline, that you can not understand any of it, and nor thus respond to it in any honesty, and with any of it with any direct answers?

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers

    1. Where are the safety studies regarding the vaccine safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule?

    2 Where are the vaccine safety studies regarding the known practice of injecting a small child with from 5 and up to nine or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit?

    3. Where are the vaccine safety studies in regard to the safety of injecting vaccine aluminum adjuvants?

    4. Where are the vaccine safety studies regarding the practice of injecting both vaccines with attenuated live viruses in them, together with as well killed vaccines with aluminum adjuvants in them.

    5. Where are the studies showing the vaccine safety of vaccines which are contaminated with human diploid cell short and long chain DNA contaminants, due to the use of human diploid tissue in the growing of the vaccine antigens in childhood vaccines? Where are the vaccine safety studies in regard to any other vaccine that has been known to be contaminated with the substances that the vaccine antigen was grown on, and from?

    6. Where are the vaccinated verses entirely un-vaccinated health outcome studies? Thousands of children still exist in the US, with active vaccine exemptions. The Amish community as well have had thousands of un-vaccinated children within their communities. Just because a small group of Amish were falsely fear mongered into vaccinating and ended up at a clinic in the attempt to diagnose and treat resulting childhood autism; does not mean that the entire Amish community vaccinates, and has been falsely eluded to. Obviously there is no need to not vaccinate, simply to do this study.

    7. In regard to the MMR vaccine. How does the CDC as well continue to ignore this long list of studies showing the harmful effects of, the vaccine injury effects of; and as well in these studies there as well appears be an obvious MMR connection to autism? The controversy does not only revolve around a single 1998 study by Wakefield, and as well a single study connected to the CDC’s, William Thompson. And the so called official word that they tell you is that any vaccine/autism link has been dis-proven, and debunked; right? Really? Lets look further.

    Research References
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe Official Website
    http://vaxxedthemovie.com/

    REP. Bill Posey Calling for an Investigation of the CDC’s MMR reasearch fraud Rep. Bill Posey brings former CDC researcher and now Whistleblower, Dr. Bill Thompson’s letter regarding significant files they omitted and destroyed to avoid reporting any significant race effects in their study.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546421/rep-bill-posey-calling-investigation-cdcs-mmr-reasearch-fraud

    CDC Scientist: ‘We scheduled meeting to destroy vaccine-autism study documents’
    https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-scientist-we-scheduled-meeting-to-destroy-vaccine-autism-study-documents/

    8. Can you explain how it is possible in regard to the comparisons of systemic adverse reactions, for the FDA in the review and in the approval of vaccines through clinical trials, to allow the substitution of saline placebo, a replacement such as other similar vaccines which the FDA has previously approved as safe? If big pharma and the CDC are going to re-assure their claim to the public that vaccines are safe; then why are not real saline placebos required in the comparison of systemic reactions. Lets as well look at the clinical trials on Gardasil. One placebo was the aluminum adjuvant, and the other appears to be HPV virus like particles, in the vaccines carrier solution. It is all in the over 400 page document that Merck submitted to the FDA on their said Gardasil clinical trials. No wonder the comparison between the vaccine and placebo graphs appear to be so similar. And with this going on, the public is actually supposed to retain their assurances of proven vaccine safety? I think not.

    9. Are you aware of the fact that SV40 a known contaminant in the early 1960’s polio vaccine, is still being found in children today, and which are to young to have ever had that known contaminated vaccine? SV40 is as well known to cause benign tumors, and cancer. Are you as well aware of the fact that vaccines today still contain the unresolved risk of there being contaminants in them that can cause and create adverse health effects? Contaminants from any once living animal, or human cell source, on which the vaccine antigens were grown on and from. This is clearly a remaining unresolved problem, and as witnessed again in regard to the vaccine Gardasil.

    Lets also take a look at the existing studies that allegedly show no connection between vaccines and autism. Actually, general vaccine injury, and immunological harm done, and without the evidence of autism, is an equally as serious an issue.

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And, what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiolgical studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unrealiable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    Read more:
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    14 Studies
    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

    Vaccine Market Size Projected To Reach $77.5 Billion By 2024
    https://www.grandviewresearch.com/press-release/global-vaccine-market

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    Aluminum

    Debunking Aluminum Adjuvant, Part 1
    Debunking Aluminum Adjuvant, Part 2
    The Foundation for Al Adjuvant Safety Is False
    RETRACTED PAPER: Brain Damage from Al Adjuvant and Gardasil
    UPDATE: Adjuvant Transport Gets Complicated
    Aluminum Adjuvant Injection Experiment #1: 100mcg/kg
    Aluminum Adjuvant Injection Experiment #2: 300mcg/kg
    Aluminum Adjuvant Injection Experiment #3: 550mcg/kg
    Toxic Aluminum Overdose From Vaccines
    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct
    Vaccine Aluminum Travels Into The Brain
    Natural, Science-Based Treatment for Aluminum Toxicity

    Immune Activation

    Response to Charges of “Cherry-Picking” (List of Abstracts)
    New Kid On The Block: IL-17a
    Two Vaccines With Opposite Effects On Brain Development
    Part 1: Immune Activation and Autism
    Part 2: Interleukin-6 and Autism
    Part 3: Immune Activation Causes Autism in Monkeys
    Part 4: Postnatal Immune Activation
    Part 5: Vaccines and Immune Activation

    Read more:
    http://vaccinepapers.org/

    Ep 64- Dr. Offit Comes Off The Rails [My Incredible Opinion with Forrest Maready]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hio4mvuO00E

    VaxXed Meets Paul Offit
    Published on Nov 21, 2016

    Joshua Coleman sees Paul Offit eating breakfast in New York on November 21, 2016 and approaches him for a polite conversation. Paul wasn’t up for it. Camera and editing by Joshua Coleman.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAJdyPNWnA

    Senator Richard Pan runs from Vaxxed producer’s questioning
    https://vimeo.com/166083184

    SACRAMENTO SENATOR PAN RUNS AWAY FROM VAXXED MOVIE PRODUCERS
    http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/sacramento-senator-pan-runs-away-from-vaxxed-movie-producers

    Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe Official Website
    http://vaxxedthemovie.com/

    CDC Corruption is Rampant
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/cdc-corruption-rampant/

    Millions of Children Infected with ‘Vaccine Safety Experts’ Rotateq Vaccine: Dr. Paul Offit
    Unfortunately for Dr. Offit (not so affectionately named Dr. Profit), a 2010 study published in Journal of Virology revealed that his multi-million dollar grossing patent on the Rotateq vaccine contains a live simian retrovirus (with a 96% match of certainty) that has likely infected millions of children over the past few years with a virus that causes great harm. Retrovirus infections are permanent, and can carry on indefinitely into future generations. In other words, once they are inserted into the human genome they can not be removed. View the entire PDF here.

    Moreover, a 2014 study published in Advances in Virology found Dr. Offit’s vaccine contains a “a baboon endogenous virus strain M7…likely due to the monkey cell line in which RotaTeq was produced from.” View the entire PDF here.

    Read more:
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/breaking-news-millions-children-infected-vaccine-safety-experts-rotateq-vaccine

    VACCINE CONTAMINATION: A THREAT TO HUMAN HEALTH
    http://www.nvic.org/Downloads/Rotavirus-Campaign/VACCINE-CONTAMINATION–A-THREAT-TO-HUMAN-HEALTH.aspx

    Rotavirus Vaccines Still Contaminated With Pig Virus DNA
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/rotavirus-vaccines-still-contamined-pig-virus-dna

    Vaccine Contamination
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-contamination.html

    Educate 4 The Vaccine Injured, (lots of data and scientific studies on this site, showing the harm of vaccines)
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/

    Published Research

    Aluminum vaccine adjuvants
    Mercury
    Neurologic and Immune Development

    http://www.cmsri.org/published-research/

    Learn The Risk
    http://www.learntherisk.org/

    Topic: Vaccination: All
    More vaccine-showing the harm done-studies
    http://www.learntherisk.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/vaccine-risk-studies-from-GMI-2.pdf

    Educate For The Vaccine Injured
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/

    Facts & Science
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/the-factsscience

    Antibody titers and immunity: Are they related?
    http://vaclib.org/basic/titers-immunity.htm

    371 – Immunity, Infectious Disease, and Vaccination – Raymond Obomsawin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtN0PMJOOjM

    Trojan Horses and Clusterbombs: Dr Suzanne Humphries on aluminum
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJDl_UTB65o

    September 13, 2016
    If only half of America is properly vaccinated, where are the epidemics?
    http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/295562-if-only-half-of-america-is-properly-vaccinated-where-are-the

    The massive myth behind the vaccine industry…
    https://www.facebook.com/ANHUSA/videos/10155245606839535/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

    Vaccines Provide Herd Immunity? The Herd Immunity Myth
    http://www.anh-usa.org/vaccines-provide-herd-immunity/

    The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

    Educate before you vaccinate – April Renée
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llSwika86EM

    ​————

    References for question 9.

    Advances in Virus Research, Volume 50

    Pages 83 and 84, read. (Also see the study titled, Simian virus 40 in humans, below on this page)

    Excerpted:

    Moreover, blood and sperm fluid may represent important means for spreading of SV40 in humans.

    Indeed in these investigations, (Martini etal;, 1995,1996) 61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    Read more:
    http://books.google.com/books?id=PfO7D8ZoSMkC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=sv40+is+contagious&source=bl&ots=AlaWsAkp95&sig=RnycQFX2ucD-3zybHQ07FAIeJYk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kZLfT5_mA4qc2QXKz6jtCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sv40%20is%20contagious&f=false

    ​Simian virus 40 in humans

    This finding may also explain the lack of difference in cancer incidence between individuals vaccinated with SV40-contaminated and SV40-free anti-polio vaccines [82]. (ii) SV40 sequences and Tag were detected in blood and sperm specimens from normal individuals and oncologic patients [80,81,83-88] and in lymphoblastoid cells [32]. These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    Read more:
    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    CDC ‘Disappears’ Page Linking Polio Vaccines To Cancer-Causing Viruses
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdc-disappears%E2%80%99-page-linking-polio-vaccines-cancer-causing-viruses1

    SV-40 Deadly Cure
    http://www.viewzone.com/sv40x.html

    Simian virus 40 DNA found in US children:
    http://www.dreddyclinic.com/findinformation/ww/dis_con_article_ww/wilms_tumor_1.htm

    Simian Virus 40 Sequences in Human Lymphoblastoid B-Cell Lines:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC140833/

    Types of SV40 Associated Cancers:
    http://www.sv40foundation.org/Types.html

    Simian virus 40 is present in most United States human
    mesotheliomas, but it is rarely present in non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10619511

    Simian virus in polio shots tied to cancer / Two studies support widely disputed theory
    http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Simian-virus-in-polio-shots-tied-to-cancer-Two-2865997.php

    Some oral poliovirus vaccines were contaminated with infectious SV40 after 1961.
    http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/65/22/10273.long

    “Like other polyomaviruses, SV40 is a DNA virus that has been found to cause tumors and cancer,” explains RealFarmacy.com. “SV40 is believed to suppress the transcriptional properties of the tumor-suppressing genes in humans through the SV40 Large T-antigen and SV40 Small T-antigen. Mutated genes may contribute to uncontrolled cellular proliferation, leading to cancer.”

    How Much of Our Cancer Epidemic is Due to SV-40?
    http://www.realfarmacy.com/cancer-epidemic-sv40/

    ——————-

    In summary:

    Simply put, they have on the pro-vaccine side of this, zero existing studies in regard to the actually multiple vaccines safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule.

    If you question what I have put forth below; then lets see you produce the studies?

    They have zero existing safety studies in regard the known practice of injecting into a small child anywhere from 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit.

    They have as well zero vaccine safety showing directly the safety of vaccine aluminum adjuvants.

    They have zero vaccine safety studies regarding the practice of injecting both vaccines with attenuated live viruses in them, together with as well killed vaccines with aluminum adjuvants in them. Zero studies exists as to the cytokine reactivity within the immune system when combining live and killed vaccines in the same day and office visit. They never have had those studies, and never will have any such studies.

    They are injecting newborns on the first day of life, with an aluminum adjuvant containing Hep B vaccine. How much for profit irresponsible, can it get?

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated.

    None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    No vaccine safety studies exist in regard to showing the safety of vaccine aluminum adjuvants; and while they ignore the many studies in regard toaluminum adjuvants which indeed show the harm done and as well directly the physiological mechanisms of how that vaccine injury and harm are done.

    No safety studies as well exist in regard to the risk of injecting vaccines with known vaccine contamination in them; and which is yet an unresolved problem with vaccine production and manufacturing. Nothing has much changed since Maurice Hilleman stated and admitted to what he did, in regard to the previous polio vaccine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uGWut6IRfA

    In fact even after what Sound Choice Pharmacuetical Institute (particularly, Teresa Deisher) found for short and long chain DNA contamination fragments in those vaccines now produced with the use of aborted fetal cells tissue; no response has been received from the CDC, and nor is any further study even being suggested. This said institute as well has found significant increases in the change points in autism diagnosis, when each and every vaccine was newly created to be developed with this said technology, and when then added into public vaccine availability, and use.

    STUDIES AND RESEARCHES ON AUTISM DISORDERS
    http://soundchoice.org/autism/

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Vaccine Contamination
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-contamination.html

    The CDC has not done even as much as a small scale study comparing fully vaccinated to un-vaccinated health outcomes. There are plenty of existing children with vaccine exemptions they could have included in such a comparison study. Every independent study that has ever been done, clearly shows the un-vaccinated to be far healthier. A large scale study being done, is of course what the CDC fears the most. They already know what the outcome will be.

    ———-

    More on Gardasil

    Read MUCH more:
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • And three proven and obvious fellow trolling shills, put a like on that. Imagine that, and your so fine following. Shills that are just as in denial sick, intellectually dishonest, and corrupt as you are. What kind of a cognitively and intellectually deficient mind posts the twisted garbage that you do? Everything was outlined in my previous post, so go respond to it. Either that, or simply admit your obvious defeat.

  • Again, you can start right here.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    And to go with that there clearly has been within that page, as well a summary.

    In summary:

    Simply put, they have on the pro-vaccine side of this, zero existing studies in regard to the actually multiple vaccines safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule.

    If you question what I have put forth below; then lets see you produce the studies?

    They have zero existing safety studies in regard the known practice of injecting into a small child anywhere from 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit.

    They have as well zero vaccine safety showing directly the safety of vaccine aluminum adjuvants.

    They have zero vaccine safety studies regarding the practice of injecting both vaccines with attenuated live viruses in them, together with as well killed vaccines with aluminum adjuvants in them. Zero studies exists as to the cytokine reactivity within the immune system when combining live and killed vaccines in the same day and office visit. They never have had those studies, and never will have any such studies.

    They are injecting newborns on the first day of life, with an aluminum adjuvant containing Hep B vaccine. How much for profit irresponsible, can it get?

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated.

    None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    No vaccine safety studies exist in regard to showing the safety of vaccine aluminum adjuvants; and while they ignore the many studies in regard toaluminum adjuvants which indeed show the harm done and as well directly the physiological mechanisms of how that vaccine injury and harm are done.

    No safety studies as well exist in regard to the risk of injecting vaccines with known vaccine contamination in them; and which is yet an unresolved problem with vaccine production and manufacturing. Nothing has much changed since Maurice Hilleman stated and admitted to what he did, in regard to the previous polio vaccine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uGWut6IRfA

    In fact even after what Sound Choice Pharmacuetical Institute (particularly, Teresa Deisher) found for short and long chain DNA contamination fragments in those vaccines now produced with the use of aborted fetal cells tissue; no response has been received from the CDC, and nor is any further study even being suggested. This said institute as well has found significant increases in the change points in autism diagnosis, when each and every vaccine was newly created to be developed with this said technology, and when then added into public vaccine availability, and use.

    STUDIES AND RESEARCHES ON AUTISM DISORDERS
    http://soundchoice.org/autism/

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Vaccine Contamination
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-contamination.html

    The CDC has not done even as much as a small scale study comparing fully vaccinated to un-vaccinated health outcomes. There are plenty of existing children with vaccine exemptions they could have included in such a comparison study. Every independent study that has ever been done, clearly shows the un-vaccinated to be far healthier. A large scale study being done, is of course what the CDC fears the most. They already know what the outcome will be.

  • It is all right here, and you continue to insist on ignoring it.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers

    1. Where are the safety studies regarding the vaccine safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule?

    2 Where are the vaccine safety studies regarding the known practice of injecting a small child with from 5 and up to nine or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit?

    3. Where are the vaccine safety studies in regard to the safety of injecting vaccine aluminum adjuvants?

    4. Where are the vaccine safety studies regarding the practice of injecting both vaccines with attenuated live viruses in them, together with as well killed vaccines with aluminum adjuvants in them.

    5. Where are the studies showing the vaccine safety of vaccines which are contaminated with human diploid cell short and long chain DNA contaminants, due to the use of human diploid tissue in the growing of the vaccine antigens in childhood vaccines? Where are the vaccine safety studies in regard to any other vaccine that has been known to be contaminated with the substances that the vaccine antigen was grown on, and from?

    6. Where are the vaccinated verses entirely un-vaccinated health outcome studies? Thousands of children still exist in the US, with active vaccine exemptions. The Amish community as well have had thousands of un-vaccinated children within their communities. Just because a small group of Amish were falsely fear mongered into vaccinating and ended up at a clinic in the attempt to diagnose and treat resulting childhood autism; does not mean that the entire Amish community vaccinates, and has been falsely eluded to. Obviously there is no need to not vaccinate, simply to do this study.

    7. In regard to the MMR vaccine. How does the CDC as well continue to ignore this long list of studies showing the harmful effects of, the vaccine injury effects of; and as well in these studies there as well appears be an obvious MMR connection to autism? The controversy does not only revolve around a single 1998 study by Wakefield, and as well a single study connected to the CDC’s, William Thompson. And the so called official word that they tell you is that any vaccine/autism link has been dis-proven, and debunked; right? Really? Lets look further.

    Research References
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe Official Website
    http://vaxxedthemovie.com/

    REP. Bill Posey Calling for an Investigation of the CDC’s MMR reasearch fraud Rep. Bill Posey brings former CDC researcher and now Whistleblower, Dr. Bill Thompson’s letter regarding significant files they omitted and destroyed to avoid reporting any significant race effects in their study.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546421/rep-bill-posey-calling-investigation-cdcs-mmr-reasearch-fraud

    CDC Scientist: ‘We scheduled meeting to destroy vaccine-autism study documents’
    https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-scientist-we-scheduled-meeting-to-destroy-vaccine-autism-study-documents/

    8. Can you explain how it is possible in regard to the comparisons of systemic adverse reactions, for the FDA in the review and in the approval of vaccines through clinical trials, to allow the substitution of saline placebo, a replacement such as other similar vaccines which the FDA has previously approved as safe? If big pharma and the CDC are going to re-assure their claim to the public that vaccines are safe; then why are not real saline placebos required in the comparison of systemic reactions. Lets as well look at the clinical trials on Gardasil. One placebo was the aluminum adjuvant, and the other appears to be HPV virus like particles, in the vaccines carrier solution. It is all in the over 400 page document that Merck submitted to the FDA on their said Gardasil clinical trials. No wonder the comparison between the vaccine and placebo graphs appear to be so similar. And with this going on, the public is actually supposed to retain their assurances of proven vaccine safety? I think not.

    9. Are you aware of the fact that SV40 a known contaminant in the early 1960’s polio vaccine, is still being found in children today, and which are to young to have ever had that known contaminated vaccine? SV40 is as well known to cause benign tumors, and cancer. Are you as well aware of the fact that vaccines today still contain the unresolved risk of there being contaminants in them that can cause and create adverse health effects? Contaminants from any once living animal, or human cell source, on which the vaccine antigens were grown on and from. This is clearly a remaining unresolved problem, and as witnessed again in regard to the vaccine Gardasil.

    Lets also take a look at the existing studies that allegedly show no connection between vaccines and autism. Actually, general vaccine injury, and immunological harm done, and without the evidence of autism, is an equally as serious an issue.

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And, what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiolgical studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unrealiable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    Read more:
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    14 Studies
    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/

    I wonder if this has anything to do with all the pro-vaccine corruption?

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

    Vaccine Market Size Projected To Reach $77.5 Billion By 2024
    https://www.grandviewresearch.com/press-release/global-vaccine-market

    Ep 64- Dr. Offit Comes Off The Rails [My Incredible Opinion with Forrest Maready]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hio4mvuO00E

    VaxXed Meets Paul Offit
    Published on Nov 21, 2016

    Joshua Coleman sees Paul Offit eating breakfast in New York on November 21, 2016 and approaches him for a polite conversation. Paul wasn’t up for it. Camera and editing by Joshua Coleman.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAJdyPNWnA

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    Aluminum

    Debunking Aluminum Adjuvant, Part 1
    Debunking Aluminum Adjuvant, Part 2
    The Foundation for Al Adjuvant Safety Is False
    RETRACTED PAPER: Brain Damage from Al Adjuvant and Gardasil
    UPDATE: Adjuvant Transport Gets Complicated
    Aluminum Adjuvant Injection Experiment #1: 100mcg/kg
    Aluminum Adjuvant Injection Experiment #2: 300mcg/kg
    Aluminum Adjuvant Injection Experiment #3: 550mcg/kg
    Toxic Aluminum Overdose From Vaccines
    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct
    Vaccine Aluminum Travels Into The Brain
    Natural, Science-Based Treatment for Aluminum Toxicity

    Immune Activation

    Response to Charges of “Cherry-Picking” (List of Abstracts)
    New Kid On The Block: IL-17a
    Two Vaccines With Opposite Effects On Brain Development
    Part 1: Immune Activation and Autism
    Part 2: Interleukin-6 and Autism
    Part 3: Immune Activation Causes Autism in Monkeys
    Part 4: Postnatal Immune Activation
    Part 5: Vaccines and Immune Activation

    Read more:
    http://vaccinepapers.org/

    Learn The Risk
    http://www.learntherisk.org/

    Topic: Vaccination: All
    More vaccine-showing the harm done-studies
    http://www.learntherisk.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/vaccine-risk-studies-from-GMI-2.pdf

    Educate For The Vaccine Injured
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/

    Facts & Science
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/the-factsscience

    Antibody titers and immunity: Are they related?
    http://vaclib.org/basic/titers-immunity.htm

    371 – Immunity, Infectious Disease, and Vaccination – Raymond Obomsawin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtN0PMJOOjM

    Trojan Horses and Clusterbombs: Dr Suzanne Humphries on aluminum
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJDl_UTB65o

    September 13, 2016
    If only half of America is properly vaccinated, where are the epidemics?
    http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/295562-if-only-half-of-america-is-properly-vaccinated-where-are-the

    The massive myth behind the vaccine industry…
    https://www.facebook.com/ANHUSA/videos/10155245606839535/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

    Vaccines Provide Herd Immunity? The Herd Immunity Myth
    http://www.anh-usa.org/vaccines-provide-herd-immunity/

    The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

    Educate before you vaccinate – April Renée
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llSwika86EM

    Shots of Truth, Jum Kelly
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

    ​————

    References for question 9.

    Advances in Virus Research, Volume 50

    Pages 83 and 84, read. (Also see the study titled, Simian virus 40 in humans, below on this page)

    Excerpted:

    Moreover, blood and sperm fluid may represent important means for spreading of SV40 in humans.

    Indeed in these investigations, (Martini etal;, 1995,1996) 61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    Read more:
    http://books.google.com/books?id=PfO7D8ZoSMkC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=sv40+is+contagious&source=bl&ots=AlaWsAkp95&sig=RnycQFX2ucD-3zybHQ07FAIeJYk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kZLfT5_mA4qc2QXKz6jtCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sv40%20is%20contagious&f=false

    ​Simian virus 40 in humans

    This finding may also explain the lack of difference in cancer incidence between individuals vaccinated with SV40-contaminated and SV40-free anti-polio vaccines [82]. (ii) SV40 sequences and Tag were detected in blood and sperm specimens from normal individuals and oncologic patients [80,81,83-88] and in lymphoblastoid cells [32]. These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    Read more:
    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    CDC ‘Disappears’ Page Linking Polio Vaccines To Cancer-Causing Viruses
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdc-disappears%E2%80%99-page-linking-polio-vaccines-cancer-causing-viruses1

    SV-40 Deadly Cure
    http://www.viewzone.com/sv40x.html

    Simian virus 40 DNA found in US children:
    http://www.dreddyclinic.com/findinformation/ww/dis_con_article_ww/wilms_tumor_1.htm

    Simian Virus 40 Sequences in Human Lymphoblastoid B-Cell Lines:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC140833/

    Types of SV40 Associated Cancers:
    http://www.sv40foundation.org/Types.html

    Simian virus 40 is present in most United States human
    mesotheliomas, but it is rarely present in non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10619511

    Simian virus in polio shots tied to cancer / Two studies support widely disputed theory
    http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Simian-virus-in-polio-shots-tied-to-cancer-Two-2865997.php

    Some oral poliovirus vaccines were contaminated with infectious SV40 after 1961.
    http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/65/22/10273.long

    “Like other polyomaviruses, SV40 is a DNA virus that has been found to cause tumors and cancer,” explains RealFarmacy.com. “SV40 is believed to suppress the transcriptional properties of the tumor-suppressing genes in humans through the SV40 Large T-antigen and SV40 Small T-antigen. Mutated genes may contribute to uncontrolled cellular proliferation, leading to cancer.”

    How Much of Our Cancer Epidemic is Due to SV-40?
    http://www.realfarmacy.com/cancer-epidemic-sv40/

    ——————-

    In summary:

    Simply put, they have on the pro-vaccine side of this, zero existing studies in regard to the actually multiple vaccines safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule.

    If you question what I have put forth below; then lets see you produce the studies?

    They have zero existing safety studies in regard the known practice of injecting into a small child anywhere from 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit.

    They have as well zero vaccine safety showing directly the safety of vaccine aluminum adjuvants.

    They have zero vaccine safety studies regarding the practice of injecting both vaccines with attenuated live viruses in them, together with as well killed vaccines with aluminum adjuvants in them. Zero studies exists as to the cytokine reactivity within the immune system when combining live and killed vaccines in the same day and office visit. They never have had those studies, and never will have any such studies.

    They are injecting newborns on the first day of life, with an aluminum adjuvant containing Hep B vaccine. How much for profit irresponsible, can it get?

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated.

    None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    No vaccine safety studies exist in regard to showing the safety of vaccine aluminum adjuvants; and while they ignore the many studies in regard toaluminum adjuvants which indeed show the harm done and as well directly the physiological mechanisms of how that vaccine injury and harm are done.

    No safety studies as well exist in regard to the risk of injecting vaccines with known vaccine contamination in them; and which is yet an unresolved problem with vaccine production and manufacturing. Nothing has much changed since Maurice Hilleman stated and admitted to what he did, in regard to the previous polio vaccine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uGWut6IRfA

    In fact even after what Sound Choice Pharmacuetical Institute (particularly, Teresa Deisher) found for short and long chain DNA contamination fragments in those vaccines now produced with the use of aborted fetal cells tissue; no response has been received from the CDC, and nor is any further study even being suggested. This said institute as well has found significant increases in the change points in autism diagnosis, when each and every vaccine was newly created to be developed with this said technology, and when then added into public vaccine availability, and use.

    STUDIES AND RESEARCHES ON AUTISM DISORDERS
    http://soundchoice.org/autism/

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Vaccine Contamination
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-contamination.html

    The CDC has not done even as much as a small scale study comparing fully vaccinated to un-vaccinated health outcomes. There are plenty of existing children with vaccine exemptions they could have included in such a comparison study. Every independent study that has ever been done, clearly shows the un-vaccinated to be far healthier. A large scale study being done, is of course what the CDC fears the most. They already know what the outcome will be.

    ———-

    Gardasil Vaccine Given without Consent and Ruins Life of 14 Year Old Girl
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/gardasil-vaccine-given-without-consent-and-ruins-life-of-14-year-old-girl/

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

    More on Gardasil

    Read much more:
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Jesus baby

    Desiree, if a child developed meningococcal meningitis would you propose treatment with IV antibiotics or ” restoring the internal environment and processes so the body’s self healing abilities can kick in again”? What if they had acute lymphoblastic leukemia or Hodgkin lymphoma?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry Lowell you haven’t followed the format. So you are not meeting what would make your argument clear to me.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, you haven’t followed the format. So this isn’t really making things clear to me.

  • Jonathan Graham

    you continue to insist on ignoring it.

    It’s simply insufficient as I’ve stated. I can easily go through all of that and show how it doesn’t follow the format. However I think you’re bright enough to see that.

  • “LOL” Just admit your failure and that you can not respond to any of those questions, and as well that information. All of your twisted and lying false excuses, are for nothing. You have been beyond exposed; and that has been ongoing since the very beginning of this. Your obvious insanity as we has been exposed. You are clearly a complete fraud. Just be a man, and face it.

  • Do you have as much as even a beginning clue as to how bad this all makes you look? If what I put forth is still not making things clear to you, then you are the most dishonest, craziest, and the biggest lying fraud that has ever been and existed within the trolling shill circles. Just how does your mind repeatedly come up with such intellectually warped, and cognitively deficient claims? You are lying and you know it. Your entire game amounts to only more falsely based antagonizing, and as well more continued and as attempted, disruption and distraction. You know very well that you can not address these put forth vaccine issues; and the rest of what you do is nothing more than just a worthless attempted smoke screen.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I can only say that your argument isn’t really discernible. I mean let’s just take one tiny fraction of what composes a formal argument. Assumptions – those things which are necessary for your argument but are not proved in your argument. You not only can’t tell me what yours are you don’t seem to think arguments need any. So even in this microscopic respect your argument is simply not there.

    Perhaps since you are deficient in that respect you can tell me what the conclusion of your argument is?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Asking for someone to help you understand their position is entirely reasonable. As they are the authority on their views. Your refusal to help is pretty dishonest but I doubt you’ll understand why.

  • The use of your continued cognitive dissonance, and as well a beyond futile level of intellectual dishonesty, are the only repeatedly failed game plans that you have left going on here. Common sense Basic common sense should have, and as well should be continuing to telling you to just simply discontinue your reply posting on these said vaccine issues. You simply have no ability to do what the intended purpose of reply posting on these articles, was meant to be for.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry Lowell but you simply have no authority to state that I genuinely don’t understand your argument. Not to mention that NOBODY can step up to the plate in your stead.

  • First of all, to claim that you have no idea; is nothing but an obvious lie. There were no uncertain terms used, and no clarification is needed. Instead of just simply and falsely attempting to continue to antagonize me; I think you that again you should instead actually read the posts that were directed to you, and just try and simply use your head. Not playing your sick game.

  • It is not reasonable when that position has already been more than clarified, and in obviously no uncertain terms. Blaa blaa blaa, and with the same old garbage, continued Jonathan Graham. Why don’t you just admit your obvious defeat, and move on. That would be the most sensible and sane thing for you could do at this point. But everyone can now see that is not ever going to be possible for you.

  • And still you can not address, and you refuse to address any of the put forth vaccine safety issues. How worthless is that. How much of my time and the readers time here, have you endlessly and entirely wasted? But then that obviously is your whole agenda and your point to being here; and you know it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It is not reasonable when that position has already been more than clarified

    Except it hasn’t. You can’t even tell me the assumptions your argument is based on.

  • Jesus baby

    It would be helpful if you would clarify your position, Lowell. You seem to be saying that because you no longer believe in viruses, microzymes must exist. Does that mean the tooth fairy and Bigfoot also exist?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Like anyone I can only address an argument that I understand and you are incapable of presenting one even when given a step-by-step format to do so. So the person who is being dishonest here is you.

  • Irrelevant. Do you have even as much as basic clue as to what this term, means? Intended usage. “Your largely false claims are as well all clearly irrelevant”.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irrelevant

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/irrelevant

  • And should you need to be reminded where you can shove your obviously idiotic and twisted, format? Irregardless, and as I said before, all of that has actually been met. You will continue to ignore that and to lie about that until the end of time, and you know it. Again, all you are doing is deliberately wasting my time, and the readers time.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Of course it’s relevant. I’m saying you aren’t making an argument I understand. Your counter claim is that I’m just feigning ignorance and that nothing you could provide would ever be sufficient. I provide a clear step-by-step method for you to convince me. You claim that you have done this. I show clearly you haven’t. You agree. Dude if you had no intention of following the format why bother pretending that your argument did follow it. Or that I needed to provide one in the first place?

    So your not following the format is relevant to this discussion. QED.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I said before, all of that has actually been met.

    Nope. You have admitted that you have not stated your assumptions. If you consult the format you’ll see that is part of it. So you have not followed the format. QED.

  • Just keep on lying and continuing to make a fool out of yourself. You trolls and shills are so good at that, and you are now the having attained the top prize trolling …shill.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s interesting that your entire argument hangs on something you can’t demonstrate. That I am lying about not understanding your argument.

  • Why clarify something you already know? How many times have you been asked to present your evidence for viruses, and you continue to fail to do so? You can’t even support your own argument, and yet you again falsely claim to have remained to be correct. Add in a little I don’t get it and need clarification, and as well throw some of its all only a conspiracy theory nonsense at it; and you continue to evade the entire issue, and provide for only more and further antagonizing. See how you are?

  • Again there are no assumptions to be made, and only solid facts are presented regarding vaccine safety, and the available studies. Just keep on trying to re-post and bury 25 posts behind you the evidence of what I posted directly tonight. Such a seriously sick man.

  • Did you have anything at all to discuss and debate here regarding vaccines and vaccine safety? How about as to the vaccine safety issues I directly outlined tonight? If not, then every post you made and continue to make from that point on, is entirely irrelevant. Face it; and you are only continuing to play your endless games.

  • Jonathan Graham

    there are no assumptions to be made

    Sadly you are incorrect. If it were true you would be able to provide a simple argument which requires no assumptions. You can’t, so you are wrong. Any textbook on logic would tell you this if you could read one.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Did you have anything at all to discuss and debate here regarding vaccines and vaccine safety?

    Sure I’d like to discuss your argument assuming you can clarify it.

  • Jesus baby

    You’re too embarrassed to clarify your position? What other reason could it possibly be?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Go ahead and tell me what it is about these questions and with its corresponding information, that is in its context so allegedly factually lacking, and deficient in its outline, that you can not understand any of it, and nor thus respond to it in any honesty, and with any of it with any direct answers?

    Firstly let’s be clear you admit your list does not follow the format I gave right?

  • AutismDadd

    Perhaps not

  • AutismDadd

    You’re negative attention seeking, I’m enabling it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Not seeking negative attention sorry. Your abuse patterns are hopefully confined to online communities.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You might be right. I’ve heard some people make it through high-schools without being able to read.

  • AutismDadd

    Mostly football players. What position did you play?

  • AutismDadd

    Of course

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s a hope but who knows.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and apparently most vaccine critical people. I mean going by you.

  • No I did not say that at all, and indeed I said exactly the opposite.

    You are the crazed, demented, and sick Josef Mengele, Charles Mansion, and Ed Gein of trolling vaccine shills. There is absolutely no truth within you, ever. Sick man.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So it does contain assumptions of the kind necessary in all arguments? No? Then it doesn’t. Read. Think. Then post.

  • You SICK PUKE of a man. You responded to that sitting and waiting like a crazed and rabid shill vulture, and within seconds. 11:52 pm. Your twisted bullshit is all lies, and nothing but puke filled nonsense.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’ll take that as a “No Sir, it doesn’t”. QED.

  • AutismDadd

    Another dodge. You played football right? We’re you a HOG ?

  • AutismDadd

    Not you that’s certain

  • See if you can post something that is cognitively, rationally, and in common sense terms being normal. You know, as we know it in the actual sense of being still yet human.

  • Quite obviously that has already been done, you seriously defective and sick man. Any honest reader at all here, can clearly see that, but you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell pretty much everything I post has to do with logic and reason. The problem is that YOU don’t understand logic. I vacillate between wondering if you are just ignorant of how formal logic works or if you’re just one awesome troll.

  • Any and all known vaccine safety studies existing and that you could put forth, have been shown to be nothing but insufficient and unreliable junk science; and yet you ignore that obvious fact. How asinine is that?

    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    Clarify it to ME. Not clarify it to YOU. Seriously we have been talking this point for months. I expect you to remember it for a few hours.

  • Ok, Mr Ed Gein of pro-vaccine shill trolling. Whatever you say.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gein

  • Actually all of that which you stated, is an entirely demented, lie. And still you can respond to absolutely nothing in regard to the vaccine safety issues. Your posts are not worth anything at all, and a waste of time in anyone reading them. Worthless.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sadly that’s irrelevant to what I said. If I’m wrong, then I’m wrong. However it’s reasonable to expect someone who’s arguing with me to put their argument into terms I can understand. You refuse, so again your entire argument is hangs on something you can never demonstrate. Well, unless you agree to clarify this in the way I’ve asked (or agree to clarify until I understand).

  • Perhaps it is long past time that the physiologically based and actually thinking and real scientists, figured that out. They will need to be independent scientists with no connection to big pharma. How many of them, are there?

  • You already have a direct link to that. How beyond blind can you be? Any readers can see that; and anyone that is honest can see that you are lying. They can also now see how seriously in denial sick you are. You can repeat that old same lying bullshit here …100 more times …but obviously that is a futile effort …and it will not do you any good.

  • Jonathan Graham

    LOL – maybe we should call you LOLwell. As usual all you have are accusations.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You already have a direct link to that.

    A direct link to an argument formatted the way I requested – which in case you forgot again includes a statement of the assumptions? I’m pretty sure your answer is “no, it doesn’t have assumptions”. So again, you are lying.

  • Mike Stevens

    Maybe she’d restore the internal environment with horseradish?
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/meningitis-trial-verdict-1.3552941

  • Mike Stevens

    Is SV40 a microzyme, Lowell?

  • Mike Stevens

    “Those of us who have done the real and independent research, have already looked at both sides of the existing studies”

    Where did you publish these research studies of yours, Lowell?
    The NEJM? Nature?
    Can we see them, or give us a PMID number.

    Or maybe you tried the Beano?

  • Mike Stevens

    What is a “protit”, Ron?

  • Mike Stevens

    It’s a microzyme, Lowell. One that paralyses kids.
    Maybe you’ve heard of it.

  • kfunk937

    My search engine leans toward topics having to do with Hooters, rather than eukaryotes. And the search term “microzimas” only returns results in Portuguese. Do you suppose he’s been hiding a multilingual background from us?

  • Jesus baby

    So you’re saying SV40 isn’t a virus, you don’t know what it is, and you think someone should figure it out?

  • Mike Stevens

    não. Ele não pode falar inglês corretamente.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well given that you are encouraged by people pointing out that you’re being abusive. That should be a flag to you. I don’t know if you still see a counselor of some kind but you might consider dealing with your problem professionally.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, just pointing out that this conversation is about your reading level and ignoring your attempts to derail. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    And because you are clueless, you don’t notice I’m much better than you imply. Try being less juvenile and act like a father, if you aren’t lying about that too.

  • AutismDadd

    I have no problem.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m much better than you imply.

    Actually it was you who implied it…and while you were being juvenile too. I have no problem having a reasonable conversation with you. You are the one who fills each thread with your empty headed trash.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well I’d say enjoying abusing people counts as an emotional problem but I’m not an expert. If you’re not seeing a professional of some sort it might be the reason you don’t see the problem.

  • AutismDadd

    What you say isn’t relevant

  • AutismDadd

    Taking everything literally isn’t advised

  • The issue of SV40 has been neglected scientifically, and it clearly needs a lot more study. You can spin it, and spin it around until your head falls off, Judas baby. It is not going to change a thing. Perhaps you should start studying the real issues, instead of just spending all of your time be so directly obsessed with me.

    Whatever it is, it now known transferring from parent to child. That means we will never be rid of it ever. That polio vaccine sure was a wonderful creation, wasn’t it J baby.

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    Fernanda Martini1, Alfredo Corallini2, Veronica Balatti1, Silvia Sabbioni2, Cecilia Pancaldi1 and Mauro Tognon1*

    Corresponding author: Mauro Tognon

    Author Affiliations

    1 Department of Morphology and Embryology, Section of Cell Biology and Molecular Genetics, School of Medicine, and Center of Biotechnology, University of Ferrara, Via Fossato di Mortara, 64/B. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    2 Department of Experimental and Diagnostic Medicine, Section of Microbiology, University of Ferrara, Via Luigi Borsari, 46. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    Excerpted:

    A source of human exposure to SV40 occurred between 1955 and 1963, when inactivated and live anti-polio vaccines, prepared from polioviruses grown in naturally SV40-infected simian cell cultures, were administered to hundreds of millions of people in the United States, Canada, Europe, Asia and Africa [63]. Soon it was shown that children vaccinated with contaminated oral polio vaccines (OPV) shed infectious SV40 in stools for at least 5 weeks after vaccination [64]. However, some children, who received the same OPV, did not develop neutralizing antibodies even though they may have received large doses of live SV40, compared with the potentially inactivated SV40 in inactivated polio vaccine (IPV). Further, SV40 human contamination occurred in experimental infection with live respiratory syncytial virus to adult volunteers and a neutralizing antibody response in about two thirds of the volunteers was shown [65]. Inactivated vaccines against adenoviruses [66] and hepatitis A [67] virus also exposed humans to SV40, although the amount of infectious SV40 was almost certainly lower then that administered with OPV or live respiratory syncytial virus.

    Additional serologic studies reported a SV40 seropositivity in individuals with no history of immunization with contaminated IPV or other possible route of SV40 infection [69-72]. Shah et al., [72]

    These studies suggest that humans may become infected by SV40 independently from poliovirus vaccine exposure. However, most of these early serologic studies were carried out before the discovery of the two human polyomaviruses, BK and JC, which are close related to SV40 and are ubiquitous in human populations. It is possible that the early serologic evidence of SV40 antibody detection in human sera represents some degree of cross reactivity with antibodies against the highly related BK and JC viruses [73-75].

    To date, the prevalence of SV40 infections in humans is not known. Recent studies, based on PCR and serological techniques, indicate that SV40 infection occurs both in children and adults. (i) SV40 DNA sequences have been detected in normal and neoplastic tissues of people either too young (1 to 30 years) or too old (60 to 85 years) to have been vaccinated with SV40-contaminated anti-polio vaccines [19,33,76-81]. This finding may also explain the lack of difference in cancer incidence between individuals vaccinated with SV40-contaminated and SV40-free anti-polio vaccines [82]. (ii) SV40 sequences and Tag were detected in blood and sperm specimens from normal individuals and oncologic patients [80,81,83-88] and in lymphoblastoid cells [32]. These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    Advances in Virus Research, Volume 50

    Pages 83 and 84, read. (Also see the study titled, Simian virus 40 in humans, below on this page)

    Excerpted:

    Moreover, blood and sperm fluid may represent important means for spreading of SV40 in humans.

    Indeed in these investigations, (Martini etal;, 1995,1996) 61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=PfO7D8ZoSMkC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=sv40+is+contagious&source=bl&ots=AlaWsAkp95&sig=RnycQFX2ucD-3zybHQ07FAIeJYk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kZLfT5_mA4qc2QXKz6jtCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sv40%20is%20contagious&f=false

    Scientific proof that the known cancer causing SV40 virus, a previous contaminant in the polio vaccine, is obviously either contagious; or the virus is still in the vaccine/s.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

  • What about the 50,000 plus cases of acute flaccid paralysis that is nearly indistinguishable from polio, that now exist in India alone? The major media has never once put that information forth, and in addressing that issue.

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    They call it a virus, but is it? Where is the evidence for viruses, Mike S?

    Scientific proof that the known cancer causing SV40 virus, a previous contaminant in the polio vaccine, is obviously either contagious; or the virus is still in the vaccine/s.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

    THE FRANKENSTEIN VIRUS

    Like most of America, the Medical system is corrupt and rigged in order to control the people and make money by keeping people sick.

    Five Reasons to Abolish All Vaccine Laws NOW.
    Reason one. Viruses are not living and do not exist.
    Go to the next page after you read this page.

    This picture of the so-called virus that they said caused polio came from the book,” POLIO AND THE SALK VACCINE. 1956
    Written by Alton l. Blakeslee SCIENCE EDITOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS and with a Forward by Basil O’Connor, President, The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Notice it says magnified 100,000 times with the electron microscope. The vaccine inserts say they have ‘living virus’ in them. They are lying. If the masses believe in living viruses and that they are a cause of disease, then the vaccine racket will go on forever. If you believe in viruses or not, the first thing you MUST know is that a “living virus” is a living lie. The only real pictures of the so-called virus are like the one above. Black and white pictures. They all will say magnified by an electron microscope as much as 180,000 times. All color pictures etc. are COMPUTOR GENERATED or what is called an “artist conception” (A fraud). Or in plain English–bull shit.
    The “fuzzy white sphere” is not what people think-a live or dead agent like a bacteria. It is what is called a pellet. It is the solid part of the infection they used that has been separated by their centrifuge machine.

    YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS NEXT FACT BEFORE GOING ON.

    Here is the Function of the Electron Microscope straight from the Manufacture.

    “The electron microscope is capable of revealing details as much as 1000 times smaller than visible in light microscopes because the wavelengths of electrons are much shorter than those of light. Transmission electron microscopes make it possible to explore cell strucrures and large protein molecules. Because beams of electrons can pass through thin samples, cells and tissues MUST BE CUT INTO ULTRA THIN SLICES BEFORE THEY CAN BE EXAMINED UNDER A MICROSCOPE. With scanning electron microscopes, a pencil like beam of electrons is scanned over the surface of a specimen. For images, specimens do not have to be cut into thin slices to be visualized. The scanning electron microscope produces scanning three-dimensional images of cells. Because electrons are easily scattered by molecules in the air, samples examined in both types of electron microscopes must be placed in a vacuum in order to be studied. As a result, researchers chemically preserve their samples first and then remove all the water before placing them in the microscope. This means that electron microsopy can be used to visualize only non-living preserved cells and tissues.”

    One doesn’t have to be a scientist or doctor to understand the way an electron microscope works. Any intelligent 10 year old can understand the words, “THIS MEANS THAT ELECTRON MICROSOPY CAN BE USED TO VISULIZE ONLY NON-LIVING PRESERVED CELLS AND TISSUES.

    ​No one has EVER seen a live virus, because they don’t exist.

    Stop now. To read is one thing. To know is another. Google the electron microscope for proof.

    The picture of the virus above was taken with the electron microscope. The real question is what was the object or material that is in the picture? You won’t believe it at first. After you study this you will realize how sick these people called virologist were and are today. People like that psychopath Paul Offit. But here is Salk describing what a virus is. Page 160. from the book The Saga of Jonas Salk,” (1966)”Now, the principle of vaccination is not difficult to understand. “A vaccine is made of the virus that causes the disease.”

    You will discover that the diseases caused by (their) viruses was the poison they used to create ARTIFICIAL disease in the laboratory, by injecting infected material (poisonous) into healthy animals. This artificial creation of disease had nothing to do with natural sickness.

    These are all taken from the book Thomas Rivers wrote in 1948. At the end of the page I will list more so that you fully understand what these sick people called virologist do to create artificial disease and make their poison virus vaccines with, and that is injected into children and said to prevent disease.

    Chapter 9–Harold N. Johnson-A Rockefeller worker.

    Page 233. Rabies. There are only a few laboratories outside of France and the France colonies that continue to prepare vaccines from desiccated spinal cords. It has been found that rabbit brain is a much better source of fixed virus (made in the laboratory) than is spinal cord. ( Fixed virus is when they inject the poison into animal after animal)

    Page 234. during recent years, the Semple vaccine has been the one most commonly used in the United States. It is package in 14 doses of 2cc. each of a 5 per cent rabbit brain suspension in physiologic saline solution and contains 0.25 percent phenol. (Phenol is a highly poisonous caustic crystalline chemical derived from coal tar, commonly called carbolic acid.

    VACCINE RECIPES.

    This recipe was from the shyster who said he grew the polio virus in 1949, John Enders. From the book, “PAPERS AND DICUSSIONS PRESENTED AT THE SECOND INTERNATIONAL POLIOMYELITIS CONFERENCE. 1952, sponsored by the National foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Page 35. “For the direct isolation in tissue culture of poliomyelitis from STOOLS of patients, a 10 per cent suspension of feces in saline was prepared. After the addition of 100 units of penicillin and 100 micrograms of streptomycin per cubic centimeter, the suspension was centrifuged for 30 minutes at 3500 r.p.m. in a Sorval angle-head centrifuge machine and 0.1 cc of the supernatant fluid employed as inoculum. White mice and rhesus monkeys have been inoculated intracerbrally with materials from tissue cultures in order to demonstrate the presence or absence of the virus.”

    Spinning $hit and injecting it into a monkeys brain. Man these people are beyond looney.

    Peter K. Olitsky,M.D. Rockefeller Employee.

    from the book, “VIRAL AND RICKETTSIAL INFECTIONS OF MAN

    THOMAS RIVERS,M.D. 1948

    1. Material-Infected brain tissue from mice.

    2. Add Rabbit serum.

    3. Grind in a bowl or blender.

    4. Centrifuge.

    5. Extract fluid in a syringe.

    6. Inject into the mouse’s brain through the scull or the nasal cavity.

    So lets end this by going back to the beginning.

    SO HOW DO THEY MAKE THE ANIMALS SICK IN ORDER TO USE THE INFECTION IN THEIR EXPERIMENTS?

    Here is the answer.

    READ MUCH MORE:
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

  • Whats the problem, trolling shill Stevens? Is shill Jonathan Graham failing so badly that he had to call in the likes of your in denial sheeple, uneducated and refuse to be educated …arse?

    And I don’t need to publish any studies, as plenty of independent studies show directly what is going on with vaccines. Go to my website and you will find plenty of of those studies. You already know I have posted long lists of studies on the articles of this site.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    And as well in regard to vaccine safety, can you explain this away?

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

  • Jesus baby

    Lowell, it’s funny how all of your links explain SV40 is a virus, yet you insist viruses don’t exist. And learn what horizontal transmission means you idiot. Don’t just ask me to explain it, or copy/paste the definition, learn it and understand it.

  • Maybe you should make a single reply, and then read your reply/ies before you make 6 more asking the same thing. Just because you spin it and re-word it, does not make it a different post.

  • There are obviously no existing assumptions in this information and as to these questions. And obviously there does not need to be. How many endless posts have you made now; spinning false excuses for why you continue to fail to be able to answer even one of those 9 questions. And how would I be lying, when I already told you several times that no assumptions are needed. What you are insisting on is to respond to only information that is an assumption. But if it contains obvious facts that you can not defend against; then you refuse to reply to it. Silly man, your in denial mind is obviously spun sideways, and beyond any hope of recovery.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • And maybe we should just call you sick Jonny “The Creep”. Accusations they are, but yet repeatedly proven to be true and right in front of you. That is your reality.

  • So again you continue to deliberately ignore what I have stated in my posts. But then maintaining your deliberate ignorance is the only thing that has ever allowed you to post anything at all here.

    As far as horizontal transmission of SV40, that is exactly what both studies describe it as. Are you going to tell me that you are more informed and knowledgeable than all those authors in the two studies? That actually makes you the real idiot. If you know better than those authors that wrote the two studies, then by all means tell us exactly how and why they are wrong? Your issue is with them, and not me; so get started and lets have all the details in regard to why they are wrong? As well see if you provide a study which addresses the same issues, and which refutes those two studies? Good luck with that.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s pretty relevant to the way you act. Enjoying abuse, blaming the person you’re abusing. That’s not emotional health.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m not. Glad we got that sorted out.

  • Jonathan Graham

    And obviously there does not need to be.

    Then I suggest that what you’ve provided isn’t an argument. Please demonstrate a small argument which depends on no assumptions whatsoever. I’ll wait.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell you can’t even keep on the same topic for a single post….sheesh.

  • Jesus baby

    I haven’t ignored what you’ve stated in your posts, Lowell – I pointed out you say viruses don’t exist and then linked articles describing SV40 as a virus. You’ve ignored the question logically put to you that if SV40 isn’t a virus, what is it?
    And I said YOU, Lowell Hubbs, should learn what horizontal transmission is.

  • AutismDadd

    Key: you are no expert.

  • AutismDadd

    What about the Coincidence Theory of vaccine injury?

  • Jesus baby

    Pretty much anything good or bad that happens to a kid happens after some vaccine.

  • AutismDadd

    Lets focus on the bad.

  • Mike Stevens

    Ethan’s if you answered questions people wouldn’t have to repeat them.

    All you have to do is answer Yes or No…. is SV40 a microzyme?

  • Maybe it’s a vaccine injury!

  • This reminds me of when I asked him 20+ times to explain the difference between a weed and a flower. He never could.

  • Jesus baby

    If you’re going to say correlation always equals causation then you have to look at it both ways.

  • Jesus baby

    I think whatever is left of Lowell’s brain is full.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I don’t have to be to point out your abusive treatment of people here and your attempt to excuse it. Even your response here is an attempt to avoid dealing with your problem.

  • Jonathan Graham

    That would make him one in a million. I think bitter people who blame others for their situation are a bit more common. :-)

  • Mike Stevens

    Those cases are due to microzymes.
    vaccine has nothing to do with it.

  • kfunk937

    Possibly too subtle for onlookers (made me look), but right up Lowell’s alley: 9.5/10.

  • Ron Roy

    ”The problem is that YOU” don’t have a heart and will do or say anything for money. Thousand of parents are posting the damage done to their children, by vaccines, on different public mediums and Johnny just keeps saying they’re all wrong. No amount of proof will soften your devilish heart.

  • Jonathan Graham

    don’t have a heart

    The phrase “having a heart” is about showing sympathy for. Sympathy shouldn’t cloud ones reason. If someone blamed their tragic childs death on aliens. You don’t start believing in aliens for their sake.

    No amount of proof will soften your devilish heart.

    The problem is that testimonials by people who are utterly unqualified to make the statements they are making doesn’t constitute evidence. Thousands of people belive in UFO’s claim they’ve had experiences with them. Do you believe in UFO’s because of that? Truth is not democratic.

  • AutismDadd

    Oh, once again you revert to the “abuse and harassment” thing because you can’t best me any other way.

  • AutismDadd

    Whatever that means. Correlation is a place to start. Unfortunately when governments decided to protect vaccine makers, they also decided honesty would take a back seat too. It had to. You can only cover up a lie or a crime with another one. Honesty has to be consistent and pristine. You will NEVER get it from FDA, CDC or any Vaccine producer, because vaccine uptake would drop like a stone if they did. So one lie is medical consensus that vaccines will be used regardless of outcome. The experimental basis of vaccination has to proceed this way, but the dishonesty and consensus (conspiracy) will always accompany it. Sorry about the big words and the level of intelligence. Good luck understanding it and ask your Mom if you need help.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m talking about abuse because right now that’s the majority of your posts (to me and others) are. If you don’t want to be called abusive – stop being abusive. Get some help if you need it.

    If there was anything else to talk about in your posts I’d certainly be responding to that. For the most part they’re all just puerile insults.

  • Jesus baby

    Wow that’s some seriously paranoid ideation, A-dad. How many people would it take to keep this global conspiracy secret? Sounds like at least 10s of thousands. And after all these years no one has ever exposed it?

  • AutismDadd

    Expose what? Its the official stance. How do you change it? Easy by producing movies, books, etc and wait for it to grow, which it is. Lying is not working anymore.

  • Jesus baby

    The official stance is that vaccination is a global conspiracy to profit despite massive harm? Where did you hear that?

  • AutismDadd

    I never claimed that Jethro. I guess reading comprehension isn’t your super power.

  • AutismDadd

    Congratulations stooge you’ve reached moron status.

  • And if you would first stop ignoring this information, and if you stopped answering questions with a question, I wouldn’t have to repeat myself. First, lets see if you can address this information right here? I find no error in it; and if you think you do, then go ahead and make a list and identify what you find in error, and that which you disagree with. You can post that in your next reply. In these situations, if viruses don’t actually exist in these circumstances, and can not actually be identified, then the only explanation is the existence of microzymes.

    THE FRANKENSTEIN VIRUS

    Like most of America, the Medical system is corrupt and rigged in order to control the people and make money by keeping people sick.

    Five Reasons to Abolish All Vaccine Laws NOW.
    Reason one. Viruses are not living and do not exist.
    Go to the next page after you read this page.

    This picture of the so-called virus that they said caused polio came from the book,” POLIO AND THE SALK VACCINE. 1956
    Written by Alton l. Blakeslee SCIENCE EDITOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS and with a Forward by Basil O’Connor, President, The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Notice it says magnified 100,000 times with the electron microscope. The vaccine inserts say they have ‘living virus’ in them. They are lying. If the masses believe in living viruses and that they are a cause of disease, then the vaccine racket will go on forever. If you believe in viruses or not, the first thing you MUST know is that a “living virus” is a living lie. The only real pictures of the so-called virus are like the one above. Black and white pictures. They all will say magnified by an electron microscope as much as 180,000 times. All color pictures etc. are COMPUTOR GENERATED or what is called an “artist conception” (A fraud). Or in plain English–bull shit.
    The “fuzzy white sphere” is not what people think-a live or dead agent like a bacteria. It is what is called a pellet. It is the solid part of the infection they used that has been separated by their centrifuge machine.

    YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS NEXT FACT BEFORE GOING ON.

    Here is the Function of the Electron Microscope straight from the Manufacture.

    “The electron microscope is capable of revealing details as much as 1000 times smaller than visible in light microscopes because the wavelengths of electrons are much shorter than those of light. Transmission electron microscopes make it possible to explore cell strucrures and large protein molecules. Because beams of electrons can pass through thin samples, cells and tissues MUST BE CUT INTO ULTRA THIN SLICES BEFORE THEY CAN BE EXAMINED UNDER A MICROSCOPE. With scanning electron microscopes, a pencil like beam of electrons is scanned over the surface of a specimen. For images, specimens do not have to be cut into thin slices to be visualized. The scanning electron microscope produces scanning three-dimensional images of cells. Because electrons are easily scattered by molecules in the air, samples examined in both types of electron microscopes must be placed in a vacuum in order to be studied. As a result, researchers chemically preserve their samples first and then remove all the water before placing them in the microscope. This means that electron microsopy can be used to visualize only non-living preserved cells and tissues.”

    One doesn’t have to be a scientist or doctor to understand the way an electron microscope works. Any intelligent 10 year old can understand the words, “THIS MEANS THAT ELECTRON MICROSOPY CAN BE USED TO VISULIZE ONLY NON-LIVING PRESERVED CELLS AND TISSUES.

    ​No one has EVER seen a live virus, because they don’t exist.

    Stop now. To read is one thing. To know is another. Google the electron microscope for proof.

    The picture of the virus above was taken with the electron microscope. The real question is what was the object or material that is in the picture? You won’t believe it at first. After you study this you will realize how sick these people called virologist were and are today. People like that psychopath Paul Offit. But here is Salk describing what a virus is. Page 160. from the book The Saga of Jonas Salk,” (1966)”Now, the principle of vaccination is not difficult to understand. “A vaccine is made of the virus that causes the disease.”

    You will discover that the diseases caused by (their) viruses was the poison they used to create ARTIFICIAL disease in the laboratory, by injecting infected material (poisonous) into healthy animals. This artificial creation of disease had nothing to do with natural sickness.

    These are all taken from the book Thomas Rivers wrote in 1948. At the end of the page I will list more so that you fully understand what these sick people called virologist do to create artificial disease and make their poison virus vaccines with, and that is injected into children and said to prevent disease.

    Chapter 9–Harold N. Johnson-A Rockefeller worker.

    Page 233. Rabies. There are only a few laboratories outside of France and the France colonies that continue to prepare vaccines from desiccated spinal cords. It has been found that rabbit brain is a much better source of fixed virus (made in the laboratory) than is spinal cord. ( Fixed virus is when they inject the poison into animal after animal)

    Page 234. during recent years, the Semple vaccine has been the one most commonly used in the United States. It is package in 14 doses of 2cc. each of a 5 per cent rabbit brain suspension in physiologic saline solution and contains 0.25 percent phenol. (Phenol is a highly poisonous caustic crystalline chemical derived from coal tar, commonly called carbolic acid.

    VACCINE RECIPES.

    This recipe was from the shyster who said he grew the polio virus in 1949, John Enders. From the book, “PAPERS AND DICUSSIONS PRESENTED AT THE SECOND INTERNATIONAL POLIOMYELITIS CONFERENCE. 1952, sponsored by the National foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Page 35. “For the direct isolation in tissue culture of poliomyelitis from STOOLS of patients, a 10 per cent suspension of feces in saline was prepared. After the addition of 100 units of penicillin and 100 micrograms of streptomycin per cubic centimeter, the suspension was centrifuged for 30 minutes at 3500 r.p.m. in a Sorval angle-head centrifuge machine and 0.1 cc of the supernatant fluid employed as inoculum. White mice and rhesus monkeys have been inoculated intracerbrally with materials from tissue cultures in order to demonstrate the presence or absence of the virus.”

    Spinning $hit and injecting it into a monkeys brain. Man these people are beyond looney.

    Peter K. Olitsky,M.D. Rockefeller Employee.

    from the book, “VIRAL AND RICKETTSIAL INFECTIONS OF MAN

    THOMAS RIVERS,M.D. 1948

    1. Material-Infected brain tissue from mice.

    2. Add Rabbit serum.

    3. Grind in a bowl or blender.

    4. Centrifuge.

    5. Extract fluid in a syringe.

    6. Inject into the mouse’s brain through the scull or the nasal cavity.

    So lets end this by going back to the beginning.

    SO HOW DO THEY MAKE THE ANIMALS SICK IN ORDER TO USE THE INFECTION IN THEIR EXPERIMENTS?

    Here is the answer.

    READ MUCH MORE:
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

  • AutismDadd

    A load of trash.

  • AutismDadd

    Yea DUH Ken. Take you all month to create that one?

  • AutismDadd

    Buh Wah Ha Ha

  • Three months, a staff of fifteen, and a budget of $168,000, but it’s finally finished and it came out great!

  • No, again it is you that has ignored the direct question here. Again, and as I said, if you disagree with what the study authors describe as horizontal infection existing in regard to so called SV40, then it is YOUR responsibility, Gerber Baby, to explain why what is occurring, is not horizontal infection? When SV40 is found to be spreading from parent to child, and that SV40 is still being found in children with various cancers, even though they are to young to have had the known SV40 contaminated polio vaccines of the early 1960’s; then if it is no horizontal infection, then what is it that is happening. Your reply could not get any more ignorant of what I previously stated to you. So you can just get started with that, right now.

  • AutismDadd

    Well Pharma does have money to burn after the protection from litigation thing in 1986.

  • Talk about not being and remaining on topic, you are the master of deliberate evasion and deflection on every topic I have ever brought up. I think as well that your picture is fake, and your name as well is fake. The least you could do is use a character name, instead of a faking an identity giving the false impression that you actually might have some credibility. In any case it wouldn’t matter as your level of credibility either way has obviously never been above a flat line …zero.

  • As for multiple arguments as to vaccine safety, these arguments can not get any further into the realm of that none of it based on any assumptions. The fact that now over months in time, that you can not answer directly any of those questions, and nor respond to any of that information; more than proves my point directly. You have had endless chances to do this and to show and prove me wrong, and you have failed to do so, repeatedly. I will wait for you to answer those questions in regard to the issues of vaccine safety. Get started.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • A FRONTLINE NURSE’S VIEW OF THE VACCINE DAMAGE COVER-UP. ER Nurse Shares His Experiences With Vaccine Reactions
    http://healthyfamiliesforgod.com/2015/11/er-nurse-shares-experiences-vaccine-reactions/

    http://credence.org/ECpages/?page_id=3537

  • You mean when they began making liability payments on every single vaccine dose sold, regardless of whether it hurt anybody or not?

  • AutismDadd

    Hilarious. A pittance for them.

  • Show us directly the evidence that viruses exist?

    THE FRANKENSTEIN VIRUS

    Like most of America, the Medical system is corrupt and rigged in order to control the people and make money by keeping people sick.

    Five Reasons to Abolish All Vaccine Laws NOW.
    Reason one. Viruses are not living and do not exist.
    Go to the next page after you read this page.

    This picture of the so-called virus that they said caused polio came from the book,” POLIO AND THE SALK VACCINE. 1956
    Written by Alton l. Blakeslee SCIENCE EDITOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS and with a Forward by Basil O’Connor, President, The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Notice it says magnified 100,000 times with the electron microscope. The vaccine inserts say they have ‘living virus’ in them. They are lying. If the masses believe in living viruses and that they are a cause of disease, then the vaccine racket will go on forever. If you believe in viruses or not, the first thing you MUST know is that a “living virus” is a living lie. The only real pictures of the so-called virus are like the one above. Black and white pictures. They all will say magnified by an electron microscope as much as 180,000 times. All color pictures etc. are COMPUTOR GENERATED or what is called an “artist conception” (A fraud). Or in plain English–bull shit.

    The “fuzzy white sphere” is not what people think-a live or dead agent like a bacteria. It is what is called a pellet. It is the solid part of the infection they used that has been separated by their centrifuge machine.

    YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS NEXT FACT BEFORE GOING ON.

    Here is the Function of the Electron Microscope straight from the Manufacture.

    “The electron microscope is capable of revealing details as much as 1000 times smaller than visible in light microscopes because the wavelengths of electrons are much shorter than those of light. Transmission electron microscopes make it possible to explore cell strucrures and large protein molecules. Because beams of electrons can pass through thin samples, cells and tissues MUST BE CUT INTO ULTRA THIN SLICES BEFORE THEY CAN BE EXAMINED UNDER A MICROSCOPE. With scanning electron microscopes, a pencil like beam of electrons is scanned over the surface of a specimen. For images, specimens do not have to be cut into thin slices to be visualized. The scanning electron microscope produces scanning three-dimensional images of cells. Because electrons are easily scattered by molecules in the air, samples examined in both types of electron microscopes must be placed in a vacuum in order to be studied. As a result, researchers chemically preserve their samples first and then remove all the water before placing them in the microscope. This means that electron microsopy can be used to visualize only non-living preserved cells and tissues.”

    One doesn’t have to be a scientist or doctor to understand the way an electron microscope works. Any intelligent 10 year old can understand the words, “THIS MEANS THAT ELECTRON MICROSOPY CAN BE USED TO VISULIZE ONLY NON-LIVING PRESERVED CELLS AND TISSUES.

    ​No one has EVER seen a live virus, because they don’t exist.

    Stop now. To read is one thing. To know is another. Google the electron microscope for proof.

    The picture of the virus above was taken with the electron microscope. The real question is what was the object or material that is in the picture? You won’t believe it at first. After you study this you will realize how sick these people called virologist were and are today. People like that psychopath Paul Offit. But here is Salk describing what a virus is. Page 160. from the book The Saga of Jonas Salk,” (1966)”Now, the principle of vaccination is not difficult to understand. “A vaccine is made of the virus that causes the disease.”

    You will discover that the diseases caused by (their) viruses was the poison they used to create ARTIFICIAL disease in the laboratory, by injecting infected material (poisonous) into healthy animals. This artificial creation of disease had nothing to do with natural sickness.

    These are all taken from the book Thomas Rivers wrote in 1948. At the end of the page I will list more so that you fully understand what these sick people called virologist do to create artificial disease and make their poison virus vaccines with, and that is injected into children and said to prevent disease.

    Chapter 9–Harold N. Johnson-A Rockefeller worker.

    Page 233. Rabies. There are only a few laboratories outside of France and the France colonies that continue to prepare vaccines from desiccated spinal cords. It has been found that rabbit brain is a much better source of fixed virus (made in the laboratory) than is spinal cord. ( Fixed virus is when they inject the poison into animal after animal)

    Page 234. during recent years, the Semple vaccine has been the one most commonly used in the United States. It is package in 14 doses of 2cc. each of a 5 per cent rabbit brain suspension in physiologic saline solution and contains 0.25 percent phenol. (Phenol is a highly poisonous caustic crystalline chemical derived from coal tar, commonly called carbolic acid.

    VACCINE RECIPES.

    This recipe was from the shyster who said he grew the polio virus in 1949, John Enders. From the book, “PAPERS AND DICUSSIONS PRESENTED AT THE SECOND INTERNATIONAL POLIOMYELITIS CONFERENCE. 1952, sponsored by the National foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Page 35. “For the direct isolation in tissue culture of poliomyelitis from STOOLS of patients, a 10 per cent suspension of feces in saline was prepared. After the addition of 100 units of penicillin and 100 micrograms of streptomycin per cubic centimeter, the suspension was centrifuged for 30 minutes at 3500 r.p.m. in a Sorval angle-head centrifuge machine and 0.1 cc of the supernatant fluid employed as inoculum. White mice and rhesus monkeys have been inoculated intracerbrally with materials from tissue cultures in order to demonstrate the presence or absence of the virus.”

    Spinning $hit and injecting it into a monkeys brain. Man these people are beyond looney.

    Peter K. Olitsky,M.D. Rockefeller Employee.
    from the book, “VIRAL AND RICKETTSIAL INFECTIONS OF MAN

    THOMAS RIVERS,M.D. 1948

    1. Material-Infected brain tissue from mice.

    2. Add Rabbit serum.

    3. Grind in a bowl or blender.

    4. Centrifuge.

    5. Extract fluid in a syringe.

    6. Inject into the mouse’s brain through the scull or the nasal cavity.

    So lets end this by going back to the beginning.

    SO HOW DO THEY MAKE THE ANIMALS SICK IN ORDER TO USE THE INFECTION IN THEIR EXPERIMENTS?

    Here is the answer.

    READ MUCH MORE:
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

    The Third Element of the Blood
    by Antoine Bechamp
    https://www.newtreatments.org/fromweb/bechamp.pdf

    The Blood and its Third Anatomical Element
    http://whale.to/v/bechamp_b1.html
    http://whale.to/v/bechamp_b.html

    Toxic and contaminated vaccines do more harm than good, every time.

    THE POISONED NEEDLE
    Suppressed Facts About Vaccination
    By Eleanor McBean, 1957
    To read only the polio sections see Hidden Dangers in Polio Vaccine by Eleanor McBean
    http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean.html

    Basics of the Human Immune System Prior to Introduction of Vaccines: Are Vaccines Turning Our Children’s Immune Systems Inside Out?
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/06/10/basics-of-the-human-immune-system-prior-to-introduction-of-vaccines-are-vaccines-turning-our-children%E2%80%99s-immune-systems-inside-out/

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    Are you aware that there are major differences between naturally acquired immunity, and so called vaccine derived immunity?

    How Vaccines Dysregulate The Immune System
    http://gdsajj.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/how-vaccines-dysregulate-the-immune-system/

    Vaccinations Cause Chronic Immune System Dysregulation
    http://www.liveto110.com/vaccinations-cause-chronic-immune-system-dysregulation/

    How Do Vaccines Work? Immune Mechanisms and Consequences
    http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/component/option,com_crossjoomlaarticlemanager/Itemid,375/aid,1369/view,crossjoomlaarticlemanager/#sthash.rkJSugBv.dpuf

    Your Immune System, How It Works And How Vaccines Damage It
    http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Your-Immune-System-How-It-Works-And-How-Vaccines-Damage-It

    Anatomy and Physiology of the Immune System, Part 4
    How pharmaceuticals destroy nature
    http://jonbarron.org/article/anatomy-and-physiology-immune-system-part-4#.UwH0pvldXbY

    Understanding immunity requires more than immunology
    http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v11/n7/full/ni0710-561.html

    An Immune Disorder at the Root of Autism

    So here’s the short of it: At least a subset of autism — perhaps one-third, and very likely more — looks like a type of inflammatory disease. And it begins in the womb. [No it does NOT, and that is not necessarily true, unless the mother has taken a Thimerosal containing flu vaccine, or such as an aluminum adjuvant containing DTaP vaccine. Much of this dysregulation can clearly happen after birth, and of course infants are vaccinated, from birth.]

    It starts with what scientists call immune dysregulation. Ideally, your immune system should operate like an enlightened action hero, meting out inflammation precisely, accurately and with deadly force when necessary, but then quickly returning to a Zen-like calm. Doing so requires an optimal balance of pro- and anti-inflammatory muscle.

    In autistic individuals, the immune system fails at this balancing act. Inflammatory signals dominate. Anti-inflammatory ones are inadequate. A state of chronic activation prevails. And the more skewed toward inflammation, the more acute the autistic symptoms.

    Nowhere are the consequences of this dysregulation more evident than in the autistic brain. Spidery cells that help maintain neurons — called astroglia and microglia — are enlarged from chronic activation. Pro-inflammatory signaling molecules abound. Genes involved in inflammation are switched on.

    These findings are important for many reasons, but perhaps the most noteworthy is that they provide evidence of an abnormal, continuing biological process. That means that there is finally a therapeutic target for a disorder defined by behavioral criteria like social impairments, difficulty communicating and repetitive behaviors.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/immune-disorders-and-autism.html/?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    A Mouse Model for the Immune Dysregulation Subtype of Autism, (And they would still claim to that there is no way vaccines have and can cause autism? That conclusion is of course clearly preposterous.)
    http://tacanowblog.com/2012/07/23/a-mouse-model-for-the-immune-dysregulation-subtype-of-autism/

    Vaccines and Autism, ADHD and Asthma
    Immunizations and the Immunocompromised

    “Yet, no doctor is trained to look for this type of immunodeficiency and/or the kind of immune dysregulation that multiple vaccine can cause; which lead to so called inflammatory syndromes and resulting overactivation of the brains microglia cells and resulting chronic levels of brain inflammation now ever more increasingly found in studies of those with autism. Vaccine aluminum adjuvants in several studies have been fund as well to in itself cause this stated inflammation.

    http://www.epidemicanswers.org/vaccines-and-autism-adhd-and-asthma/

    Immune Deficiencies
    Antibodies (or Immunoglobins)

    Concentrations of IL-12 and interferon gamma are much higher in the blood of children with autism than in normal children, indicating an immune activation, possibly due to adverse vaccine reactions. An optimal immune response to Candida infections necessitates a finely tuned balance of interferon gamma production; the dysregulation of the immune system, caused by IL-12-induced increases in gamma interferon, leads to increased Candida susceptibility in animals.

    Read more:
    http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/home/eng/immunedeficiencies.asp

    The immune response in autism: a new frontier for autism research

    Immune aberrations consistent with a dysregulated immune response, which so far, have been reported in autistic children, include abnormal or skewed T helper cell type 1 (TH1)/TH2 cytokine profiles, decreased lymphocyte numbers, decreased T cell mitogen response, and the imbalance of serum immunoglobulin levels. In addition, autism has been linked with autoimmunity and an association with immune-based genes including human leukocyte antigen (HLA)-DRB1 and complement C4 alleles described.

    Read more:
    http://www.jleukbio.org/content/80/1/1.long

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Study links vaccine induced immune overload to autism, diabetes, obesity

    Autism
    Type 1 diabetes
    Asthma
    Food allergies
    Many autoimmune diseases
    Obesity
    Type 2 diabetes
    Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFL)
    Metabolic disease.

    Read more:
    http://www.sott.net/article/279911-Study-links-vaccine-induced-immune-overload-to-autism-diabetes-obesity
    http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_30175.cfm

    Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases

    Conclusion: This suggests that patients with autoimmune autism likely represent a large subset of patients with autism and that the etiology of the epidemic of autoimmune/inflammation mediated autism in children is likely to be related to the etiology of the simultaneous epidemic of type 1 diabetes in children.

    http://www.omicsonline.com/open-access/vaccine-induced-immune-overload-and-the-resulting-epidemics-of-type-diabetes-and-metabolic-syndrome-1747-0862.S1-025.php?aid=24058

    Autoimmune Disorders Caused by Vaccines
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/autoimmune-disorders-caused-by-vaccines/

    Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity

    Conclusions/Significance
    Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host’s immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system’s self-organized criticality.

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0008382

  • It pays those NVICP payments you like to talk about! Don’t you realize that Big Pharma is paying the billions of dollars in vaccine court awards you talk about?

  • Jesus baby

    OK well you just said it so I pointed out the absurdity. Does that happen a lot with you?

  • Jesus baby

    You didn’t answer the question though.

  • Jesus baby

    Like I said I’m not going to give you the answer, Lowell, YOU need to learn what horizontal infection means. Prove to the world that Lowell Hubbs can attain new information.
    And please stop dodging. If SV40 isn’t a virus what is it? A fungus? A bacteria? Something introduced by aliens?

  • Jesus baby

    Hey, kids! It’s Story Time with Lowell!

  • Mike Stevens

    “lets see if you can address this information right here? I find no error in it

    “Like most of America, the Medical system is corrupt and rigged in order to control the people and make money by keeping people sick.”
    “Viruses are not living and do not exist.”

    Lowell, have mercy…!
    I’m only into the second paragraph of a huge propaganda dump and my brain is already getting fried!

  • Jesus baby

    Ah, Lowell Hubbs hiding behind another wall of spam. Where are the microzymes, Lowell, and if SV40 isn’t a virus what is it? C’mon big boy.

  • Mike Stevens

    Wow!
    ….Such resistance to the acquisition of new knowledge.
    https://lmgtfy.com/?q=horizontal+transmission
    https://lmgtfy.com/?q=vertical+transmission

    In a nutshell, Lowell, in transmission terminology, “horizontal” means from side to side, “vertical” means “down from above”.

    Now you can thank me.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, it’s actually the truth. People who make these testimonials are largerly completely unqualified to do so.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s hard to tell which one he is. Isn’t it?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Talk about not being and remaining on topic, you are the master of deliberate evasion and deflection on every topic I have ever brought up.

    No, I simply don’t believe something when the argument is poor. You may have a lower standard that’s your business.

    I think as well that your picture is fake, and your name as well is fake.

    Why would you say that?

  • Jonathan Graham

    these arguments can not get any further into the realm of that none of it based on any assumptions

    Then I assert they are, by definition not arguments Since, you can’t even show me a single simple case in a post of an argument that uses no assumptions at all. So the evidence is strongly in favor of my position that these are not arguments.

  • ciaparker2

    I tried to reply to you, but wasn’t able to. Would they have blocked me at that site? I took a new nym and was able to reply to myself, but still not to you.

    “Where was it? You said you had worked in Africa and the far East. What condition did the patient have, how old was he, and what was the outcome? I’m interested.”

  • AutismDadd

    Like pediatricians claiming to be vaccine experts.

  • AutismDadd

    What question?

  • AutismDadd

    Only when replying to your drivel

  • AutismDadd

    Not all of it, but besides they should pay for the carnage they cause. And some should serve prison sentences.

  • AutismDadd

    Call it blood money, guilt money, justice …

  • Yes, all of it. Who should serve prison sentences?

  • AutismDadd

    Those who call them safe and effective. Its fraud.

  • AutismDadd

    Parents pay per shot.

  • AutismDadd

    No. Its your BOGUS post that is typically juvenile

  • AutismDadd

    Oh the flat Eathers and such that you shills believe in.

  • AutismDadd

    No I didn’t. But will now. I like women so no I won’t go out with you.

  • AutismDadd

    NOTE the jesus baby shillbot has no reply to this.

  • AutismDadd

    Oh yea really messing with my head. Odd I don’t feel anything but the need to YAWN.

  • AutismDadd

    Guess your thinking needs work.

  • AutismDadd

    Or, down to yours

  • Where do you think Big Pharma money comes from? Where do you think any company gets the money to pay for liability?

  • I’ll just wait here for somebody to show that they’re not safe and effective…

  • Jonathan Graham

    Are you saying you don’t believe there are people who believe the earth is flat?

  • Jonathan Graham

    My post was pretty reasonable. Lowell has less than a clue about formal logic.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Pediatricians simply have to be able to convey expert information on vaccines. Different thing. Whereas the parents are deluding themselves into thinking they can observe something like causation purely as post hoc ergo propter hoc

  • Jesus baby

    You’re too lazy to scroll up one comment. Don’t worry about it, A-dad, it’s not like you’d try to answer it anyway.

  • Jesus baby

    Of course you didn’t.

  • Jesus baby

    Staying up all hours trolling on the internet will do that to you.

  • Jesus baby

    I overestimated you. Silly me.

  • AutismDadd

    And why do they need BILLIONS to pay liability?

  • AutismDadd

    Go right ahead and wallow in your denial. It won’t change things, you can’t invent your own facts.

  • AutismDadd

    As stated , your thinking needs work. Better take out a loan to pay for it.

  • AutismDadd

    Then don’t do that? DUH?

  • AutismDadd

    I know you’re crushed, but we have no future together (thank God)/

  • AutismDadd

    Was it where you asked me what I was wearing?

  • AutismDadd

    So you have proof parents can’t observe changes in their child? ONLY a pediatrician can? What if the pediatrician is a parent, does it neutralize their super powers?

  • AutismDadd

    Formal Logic? Please give us a definition of that, with an example.

  • AutismDadd

    I could care less. There are also people who believe vaccines are safe and effective, so there is plenty of woo in the world.

  • Because when serious vaccine injuries do happen, the victims deserve fair payouts. They’re rare, but they do happen and can be very harmful.

  • That’s true, I can’t make up my own facts. I’ll leave that for anti-vaxxers. ;-)

  • AutismDadd

    Lame. If you are admitting you know there have been zero injuries and zero deaths by vaccine, why do 19 countries have compensation programs?

  • AutismDadd

    Oh thank you Mr Rogers. Have a wonderful day in your neighborhood.

  • AutismDadd

    Well that is quite meaningless. You’re improving.

  • AutismDadd

    Sounds like vaccine induced illnesses to me.

  • AutismDadd

    Says the person insulting every poster he replies to. Nice projection

  • AutismDadd

    I’m simply efficient. Why waste it on you?

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you have proof parents can’t observe changes in their child?

    I don’t need to. They simply have to be unable to observe causes in order to be delusional for demanding that their observations are necessarily or strongly indicative of causation.

  • Who says there have been zero injuries and zero deaths? That’s false.

  • You, too! :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Asked and answered. Read the thread.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You seemed to be claiming that people like that don’t exist.

  • Jesus baby

    I’ll just keep reminding myself you’re just a troll with nothing to add.

  • Jesus baby

    So why do you?

  • Jesus baby

    I don’t hang out with trolls.

  • Jesus baby

    And still too lazy. You’re just a troll. I doubt you’ve ever even met anyone with autism.

  • Jesus baby

    Go away little troll.

  • Jesus baby

    I’m sure everything sounds like a vaccine reaction to you. You people have to have something to blame.

  • Jesus baby

    You’re just on a trolling frenzy tonight.

  • Jesus baby

    You waste a lot of time trolling.

  • Ron Roy

    ”A load of trash.” That’s a step up for Johnny.

  • Ok, corn cracken daddy, you are not playing on any form of a level playing field here. You make the rules, you referee the game, and you falsely attempt steal the ignorant field goals and the touch downs, as the self appointed judge of the game. Do you even have a beginning understanding ofg how insane you post have continued to become? You evade every question, and just simply insert more of your own ilk and puke riddled false excuses and insanity as apparently some sort of a defense against actually reviewing information and answering direct questions. As said, when was the last time you have directly posted a response which addresses the vaccine safety issue, or any vaccine issue at all. No, you are instead hell bent in attacking one person. You could care less about the actual vaccine risk issues.

    Here a young mother is tending to young twins, with autism; obviously caused by an injection of multiple vaccines.
    https://www.facebook.com/jbhandleyjr/videos/1434535469919937/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

    But ROTTEN Paul Offit says that by the biased studies, that twins don’t get autism? he claims that is the proof that vaccine dont cause autism. Forget doing any real studies in regard to injecting multiple vaccines, as per the current CDC vaccine schedule??? Even 9 or more vaccines given in a single day, are noit and never to many. I guess he lied and/or he was entirely wrong. You know he said in his for profit insanity that babies can tolerate 10,000 vaccines at one time. How about if he got even as much as 20 shots of Gardasil? The load of aluminum adjuvant alone would cause him to die of SIDS. His blood would be entirely coagulated, the cytokine activity within his immune system would be off the charts, and if nothing else he would be near brain dead from an ischemic stroke.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-caused-ischemiahypoxia.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/baby-ms-parents-vaccine-death-forensics-report.html

    http://www.whale.to/vaccines/offit23.html

  • The argument is only considered as poor, by you, when the conclusion does not directly support the pro-vaccine agenda. Face it. You are the sickest of the in entirely in denial……… sick. Who pays you?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ok, corn cracken daddy, you are not playing on any form of a level playing field here.

    Sure do. It’s called logic. Seriously what I am describing can be found in just about any textbook on the subject.

    You make the rules

    Formal logic is an extension of two principles !!A = A and P->Q. So no, I didn’t make these rules. The universe did.you referee the gameNo, see that’s the thing about formal systems. They don’t need a referee. You assert that some arguments don’t require assumptions. I say show me one. You are incapable of doing so. So your point is unsubstantiated.

  • You have actually explained nothing in human physiological terms, face it the authors of those two studies, were correct.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The argument is only considered as poor, by you

    Anyone who claims their argument requires not assumptions whatsoever is making a poor argument. It has nothing to with the subject, or result of your argument.

    What I suspect is that your argument rests on some implicit assumptions and if you had the wherewithal to detail them it would be clear that you are begging the question.

    You didn’t say why you think my picture and name are fake.

  • Stupid arse, you can’t even comprehend what facts are. You can not comprehend even as much as reality from fiction. You are seriously the sickest of the in denial sick. Again, when was the last time you actually addressed any vaccine issues? 100 posts made by you, and with nothing but more falsely attacking the messenger. Wothless.

  • Jonathan Graham

    you can’t even comprehend what facts are.

    So Lowell, you tell me. What are facts?

  • Stupid A$$….Facts are obvious facts. Obviously, you are BEYOND ….THAT …DUMB. Wake up. WHO PAYS YOU?????????

  • You make the RULES HERE …corn cracker pro-vaccine DADDY. ..you entirely corrupt and SICK and in denial….. graham cracker daddy. You refuse to directly address any and all vaccine risk issues, and diredctly in a vaccine risk issues debate forum. And yet you continue to reply post your repeated BS. WHO PAYS YOU???

  • Jonathan Graham

    You make the RULES HERE

    No, I’m just talking about how a formal logical argument works. Nobody really made the rules for logic. They are more a consequence of the principle of non-contradiction.

    WHO PAYS YOU???

    Why is it so hard for your tiny mind to believe that I post here just for my own entertainment?

  • You are actually the MASTER OF deliberate evasion, you f’n sick and deliberately ignorant…. dim wit. Everyone with any unbiased honesty… can obviously see that

  • Jonathan Graham

    Facts are obvious facts

    Didn’t anyone ever tell you not to define a term using the term you are defining? So are you saying that all facts are obvious? If the chain-rule used for taking the derivative of a function is a fact is it necessarily obvious?

    And again, nobody pays me for posting here.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You’re replying to this post again?

  • Ooh! Tautologies are fun! Here’s one: Lowell Hubbs is a loon!

  • Why is it so hard for your tiny mind to believe that I post here just for my own entertainment?

    Could be that he’s getting paid to post, so he assumes everybody else is, too!

  • Jonathan Graham

    While I think astroturf and other kinds of paid-to-pose-as-grassroots positions exist. I doubt anyone would pay anyone to post here. That said IMHO groups like AoA, TMR, etc.. have more to gain from paying people to do so than pharmaceutical cos. do.

  • Mike Stevens

    What you raving on about now, Lowell?

    I didn’t cite wikipedia, I gave you google search help so you could discover for yourself the difference between horizantal transmission and vertical transmission.

    Don’t be so abusive – I am trying to help. Knowing the difference will help your street cred, and god knows you need all the help you can get.

  • You will deny every last fact I put in front of you, and no matter how obvious the truth is. You as well still have not answered the question; how are the study authors wrong. All you do is throw a line of no actual refute to it stink bombs, and then walk away. You deserve no respect, and as an obvious troll, all you ever do is the same thing no matter what article and/or where you are shilling at. As long as you keep repeatedly failing to provide any real answer here and to back up your previous claim, then lets move onto something else. Lets see your next post be addressing this, and in refute of this information?

    Vaccines DO Cause Autism. Here’s How.
    http://vaxtruth.org/2015/07/vaccines-do-cause-autism-heres-how/

    Vaccines and Autism. Thimerosal? MMR? or the 800 Pound Aluminum Gorilla?
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/marcella-piper-terry/vaccines-and-autism-thimerosal-mmr-or-the-800-pound-aluminum-gorilla/10153178444423533?pnref=story

    Hear This Well Parents Speak Out
    Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence 263 videos 474,533 views
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    Are Vaccines Safe-Learn The truth About Vaccines
    http://www.arevaccinessafe.org/

    The Only Vaccine Guide a New Parent Will Ever Need
    BY J.B. HANDLEY June 16, 2016
    https://medium.com/@jbhandley/the-only-vaccine-guide-a-new-parent-will-ever-need-797977ec5873#.l6px8xl4j

    HPV (Gardasil) injury scandals worldwide, why is U.S. media silent? Parents beware.
    BY J.B. HANDLEY December 7, 2016
    https://medium.com/@jbhandley/hpv-gardasil-injury-scandals-worldwide-why-is-u-s-media-silent-parents-beware-86b416691f5b#.dgexj3kua

    An Angry Father’s Guide to Vaccine-Autism Science (understanding “distracting research”)
    By J.B. HANDLEY SEP. 30, 2015
    https://medium.com/@jbhandley/an-angry-father-s-guide-to-vaccine-autism-science-understanding-distracting-research-ae09fd767e1f#.7gmrdhk5z

  • AutismDadd

    You say waste, I say advocating. You however represent and resemble waste.

  • AutismDadd

    Jealous because I out troll you?

  • AutismDadd

    Are you claiming things are random and w/o cause?

  • AutismDadd

    Snicker

  • AutismDadd

    Shows how clueless you are.

  • AutismDadd

    Crapola. You can’t invent your own facts Goober.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m not. They don’t observe causes. Yet they seem to demand that their observation are strongly indicative of causation.

  • AutismDadd

    Why wouldn’t they demand that? What they see is linear and logical and rather than believe the coincidence theory they actually witnessed what they claim.

  • Jonathan Graham

    What they see is linear and logical The word is intuitive. Not logical. post hoc ergo propter hoc is a fallacy.

  • AutismDadd

    Bull crap. Inventing your own evidence again. Think then Post.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. Any number of textbooks on logic would say the same.

  • AutismDadd

    Name them

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’ve mentioned Cedarblom and Paulsen’s Critical Reasoning: Understanding and Criticizing Arguments and Theories here before.

  • AutismDadd

    Now supply the quotes that you imply prove your point.

  • Jonathan Graham

    My point was that post hoc ergo propter hoc is considered a logical flaw. It is mentioned in many textbooks. Are you saying that if I present something which I claim is from a logical text you will consider my position – that post hoc ergo propter hoc statements are not logical – as correct?

  • Jesus baby

    If you think insults are the way to convince people vaccines are dangerous you’re not helping your cause. At least post some cherry-picked crappy studies from time to time.

  • Jesus baby

    You admit it:)

  • Jesus baby

    Not at all. It’s just not vaccines.

  • Got a problem with that? To bad.

  • And really, tell me, in view of all the nonsense you reply post with, as well how obviously beyond twisted is that mind that you have between your ears? Now its the chain-rule that determines facts and reality? And facts are not necessarily obvious? They wouldn’t be necessarily obvious to you if you are so refusing evidence of the truth and the facts, that you refused to see and accept the truth as it is.

    This here is an example of the evidence existing regarding the facts.

    Deadly Mycoplasma in Vaccines – Can vaccines cause chronic illnesses?
    (VIDEO) Deadly Vaccines: Garth Nicolson, microbiologist

    Are vaccines contaminated? Are they potentially deadly? Garth Nicolson, whistle-blowing microbiologist (see THE DAY LILY PROJECT), addresses these questions in this excerpt from Dr. Nicolson’s talk at the Common Cause Medical Research Foundation Conference in Sudbury, Aug 29-31, 2008

    http://youtu.be/7W4tu5qgaWA

    Professor Garth L. Nicolson is the President and Founder, Chief Scientific Officer and Research Professor at the Institute for Molecular Medicine in Huntington Beach, California.

    http://www.icimed.com/Conference_CVs/Buffalo/Garth_L_Nicolson-CV-2010.pdf

    Vaccine Contamination
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-contamination.html

    More vaccine contamination issues. Both the CDC and FDA know this remains to be an unresolved issue, and that considering the vile substances vaccines are made from and their antigens grown on, there is no way to effectively clean up any vaccine. The risk still remains.

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Another vaccine contamination issue has been found in Gardasil. HPV contaminant DNA found by independent lab, and as well found to be firmly attached to the vaccines aluminum adjuvant. Autops studies have shown that this contaminant never leaves the body, blood, organs, and nor the brain. And we we have no countless both young girls and women, and boys globally, and the FDA, CDC and Merck still deny that there is any identified problem at all, and much more which should cause the HPV vaccine Gardasil to be recalled.

    Gardasil Vaccine Given without Consent and Ruins Life of 14 Year Old Girl

    Savannah explains that before the Gardasil shot, she was very active and athletic. She was in the process of joining a gym. Now, she has difficulties speaking and walking, and needs a feeding tube.

    http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/gardasil-vaccine-given-without-consent-and-ruins-life-of-14-year-old-girl/

    Watch the entire interview: Savannah and her mother intervied by the Vaxxed film crew.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr-Qi9UBOYc

    Gardasil Vaccine rDNA Introduced at Coroner’s Inquest
    http://vactruth.com/2012/08/09/gardasil-rdna-coroners-inquest/

    Bombshell Interview Reveals DNA Fragments Discovered 6 Months After Vaccination
    http://vactruth.com/2012/08/16/rdna-fragments-after-vaccination/

    Dr. Sin Hang Lee: A Case Study in Ethics Don’t Pay
    http://sanevax.org/dr-sin-hang-lee-a-case-study-in-ethics-dont-pay/
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/dr-sin-hang-lee-a-case-study-in-ethics-dont-pay.html

    Gardasil contains HPV DNA bound to insoluble aluminum adjuvant – a new chemical with untested toxicity?
    http://sanevax.org/gardasil-contains-hpv-dna-bound-to-insoluble-aluminum-adjuvant-a-new-chemical-with-untested-toxicity/

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

    Millions of Children Infected with ‘Vaccine Safety Experts’ Rotateq Vaccine: Dr. Paul Offit
    Unfortunately for Dr. Offit (not so affectionately named Dr. Profit), a 2010 study published in Journal of Virology revealed that his multi-million dollar grossing patent on the Rotateq vaccine contains a live simian retrovirus (with a 96% match of certainty) that has likely infected millions of children over the past few years with a virus that causes great harm. Retrovirus infections are permanent, and can carry on indefinitely into future generations. In other words, once they are inserted into the human genome they can not be removed. View the entire PDF here.

    Moreover, a 2014 study published in Advances in Virology found Dr. Offit’s vaccine contains a “a baboon endogenous virus strain M7…likely due to the monkey cell line in which RotaTeq was produced from.” View the entire PDF here.

    Read more:
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/breaking-news-millions-children-infected-vaccine-safety-experts-rotateq-vaccine

    VACCINE CONTAMINATION: A THREAT TO HUMAN HEALTH
    http://www.nvic.org/Downloads/Rotavirus-Campaign/VACCINE-CONTAMINATION–A-THREAT-TO-HUMAN-HEALTH.aspx

    Rotavirus Vaccines Still Contaminated With Pig Virus DNA
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/rotavirus-vaccines-still-contamined-pig-virus-dna

    CDC Corruption is Rampant
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/cdc-corruption-rampant/

    The CDC is being influenced by corporate and political interests
    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/301432-the-cdc-is-being-being-influenced-by-corporate-and-political

    CDC Scientists Expose Agency Corruption

    The group, which claimed to represent scientists across the CDC’s diverse branches, calls itself SPIDER (Scientists Preserving Integrity, Diligence and Ethics in Research). The letter to CDC Chief of Staff, Carmen Villar, expressed alarm “about the current state of ethics at our agency.” The scientists complained that “our mission is being influenced and shaped by outside parties and rogue interests” and “circumvented by some of our leaders.”

    The scientists told Villar that, “questionable and unethical practices, occurring at all levels and in all of our respective units, threaten to undermine our credibility and reputation as a trusted leader in public health.” The letter charged that staff level scientists “are intimidated and pressed to do things they know are not right,” and that, “Senior management officials at CDC are clearly aware and even condone these behaviors.”

    Read more:
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/cdc-scientists-expose-agency-corruption/

    Vaccines DO Cause Autism. Here’s How.
    http://vaxtruth.org/2015/07/vaccines-do-cause-autism-heres-how/

    Vaccines and Autism. Thimerosal? MMR? or the 800 Pound Aluminum Gorilla?
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/marcella-piper-terry/vaccines-and-autism-thimerosal-mmr-or-the-800-pound-aluminum-gorilla/10153178444423533?pnref=story

    Hear This Well Parents Speak Out
    Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence 263 videos 474,533 views
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe

    The Only Vaccine Guide a New Parent Will Ever Need
    BY J.B. HANDLEY June 16, 2016
    https://medium.com/@jbhandley/the-only-vaccine-guide-a-new-parent-will-ever-need-797977ec5873#.l6px8xl4j

    HPV (Gardasil) injury scandals worldwide, why is U.S. media silent? Parents beware.
    BY J.B. HANDLEY December 7, 2016
    https://medium.com/@jbhandley/hpv-gardasil-injury-scandals-worldwide-why-is-u-s-media-silent-parents-beware-86b416691f5b#.dgexj3kua

    An Angry Father’s Guide to Vaccine-Autism Science (understanding “distracting research”)
    By J.B. HANDLEY SEP. 30, 2015
    https://medium.com/@jbhandley/an-angry-father-s-guide-to-vaccine-autism-science-understanding-distracting-research-ae09fd767e1f#.7gmrdhk5z

  • No, you obviously have no idea how a logical argument works. In your twist mind all you ever do is try to make false excuses and to weasel you way out of responding directly to any facts and reason at all.

    Either someone pays you, or you are connected to andor work directly within the vaccine connected medical field. There is directly a reason for your continual evasion and persistent denial. And in your hypocrisy, then who actually has the tiny and actually sick mind here, and if you post here just for your own entertainment. And if so, then do you have an alternate and directly personal motive for that? What would that be; go ahead and explain that? How many different websites do you post your falsely antagonizing nonsense, on?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I think it indicates that you are losing it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Now its the chain-rule that determines facts and reality?

    No, the chain-rule is a fact. If you want to dispute it feel free but you will lose.

    And facts are not necessarily obvious?

    As demonstrated. Yes.

  • Arguing the FACTS does not require any assumptions, period. They may contain assumptions, but it is not required. Presenting facts, requires facts, and you obviously demand to confuse it all in any form that you can find, twist it up, and simply put it into another post. If you actually spent as much time in actually responding to the information and the direct questions regarding vaccine safety that I have given you; then we could get somewhere. You refuse to do nothing but instead make endless repeat posts filled with false, twisted, cryptic, and maniacal excuses.

    And I have already addressed your said question in a just previous post.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, you obviously have no idea how a logical argument works.

    …and yet the format I gave you – which you agree you have not followed because it requires assumptions. Can be found in just about any textbook on formal logic. So clearly I do have an understanding of how logical arguments work and have something of an edge over you.

    Either someone pays you, or you are connected to andor work directly within the vaccine connected medical field.

    That’s casting a rather broad net. So if there was some second cousin twice removed of mine who was a doctor you would say “Aha, clearly Jonathan is posting to help that relative!”. It’s kind of interesting to watch this kind of self-delusion in progress.

    if you post here just for your own entertainment.

    Enjoyment yes. The reason most people do things in their leisure time.

    And if so, then do you have an alternate and directly personal motive for that? What would that be; go ahead and explain that?

    I think you need to translate that into English first. Why do I fence? Because it’s exercise? Not really I could get the same workout hauling rocks. I do it be cause it’s enjoyable. I don’t know what an “alternate and directly personal” motive would be.

  • Just more twisted stupidity and endlessly false excuses, period. You will never do anything else. You clearly and obviously are not right in the head.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s always amusing to talk to someone who’s only argument is “liar/lunatic” when all I’m doing is pointing out what logic is and how it works. Do you think you could even define logic Lowell? Go and try.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Then define what a “fact” is with regard to an argument. If it is something the truth of which is not proved inside the text of the argument. It is an assumption – according to the definition I gave you ages ago.

    f you actually spent as much time in actually responding to the information and the direct questions regarding vaccine safety that I have given you; then we could get somewhere

    Lowell, I’ve explained this. I don’t understand your argument. You refuse to answer my questions. So we are at an impasse of your design. I can’t know what YOUR argument is without YOUR input.

  • Again, those are 9 direct questions, and obviously no assumptions are needed, to make the case that I have presented to you. You can’t answer any of the questions, and so you simply continue on with more of your endlessly false antagonizing as to the issues you have in front of you. You cant even as much as determine arguments, from questions. All if it can be directly responded to question by question, and point by point; but you refuse to. Because you know you can not do it, and without looking directly like a fool. Face it, that is your outcome.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, those are 9 direct questions, and obviously no assumptions are needed

    Then they argue nothing and you can provide no counter-argument which demands they are and argument. Nor can you even provide one, tiny, microscopic example of a simple argument which requires no assumptions.

  • So actually and after all that, in any honesty you again answered to nearly nothing.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I pointing out how you have a pretty crippled idea of logic. That your delusions about my connection to the medical field is a self-fulfilling one. I also provided an illustration as to how silly looking for reasons beyond enjoyment are. I do this in my free time. Why would anyone do this if they didn’t enjoy it. Which is why when you are abusive, it’s clear you enjoy what I assume is the feeling of power (or whatever) you get from abusing people.

  • Just again, more of your well known endless and twisted BS. A repeat, and repeat of the same twisted nonsense As well and in fact, you again have demonstrated absolutely nothing.

  • Not at all. I can antagonize you as well as you attempt to do to me. Don’t like it; then don’t post here. Be gone, loser!!!!

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well I’ve demonstrated that at least one fact is not obvious. Hence facts are not intrinsically obvious. Which one would think would be obvious even to you. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Except a) I’m not trying to antagonize anyone. I’m just posting rather straightforward observations. b) It’s interesting that you have just lost the excuse that there is something wrong with what I’m doing because you claim to be doing it back to me. c) If your goal is antagonism aren’t you failing miserably?

  • And you can not and refuse to answer any direct questions, with supporting references, is what it all boils down to. That remains as existing right in front of you, and no matter how much of your twisted and false excuses nonsense you continue to reword and to throw at it. You are damaging and abusing families, infants, children, and adults with vaccines. Their minds, their bodies, and their health. You do that in not only your support of vaccines, but as well your continued denial of the risk and the harm done. I don’t think any obviously well deserved replies I have made to you, can even begin to compare to that.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell as I’ve explained I don’t understand your argument. If indeed you have one. You refuse to explain in a way that I can understand.

    It’s interesting that you want to try and justify your abusiveness by fabricating some claim about me. Yet all I was just pointing out that you enjoy it.

  • What a seriously sick and very twisted man. You should put that reply in a picture frame and place it in the pro-vaccine hall of shame. What actually goes on between your ears? That is some seriously sick stuff.

  • Jonathan Graham

    And again you can provide no counter-argument which demands that your questions are an argument (or arguments). Nor can you even provide one, tiny, microscopic example of a simple argument which requires no assumptions.

  • Wow, how many more times are you going to use those clearly lying and obviously false arguments? The only way you would not be able to understand those 9 questions and with its as well corresponding information; would be if you were entirely illiterate, and/or unable to read English. Again, just admit that you have repeatedly failed to do it, and that you can not answer those questions. It is that simple. Get honest and admit it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The only way you would not be able to understand those 9 questions and with its as well corresponding information; would be if you were entirely illiterate, and/or unable to read English.

    Oh? Prove that is the only possible way. That means, you must provide an argument which excludes every possible other outcome.

    I’ll wait.

  • Again, here you go.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    1. Where are the safety studies regarding the vaccine safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule?

    2 Where are the vaccine safety studies regarding the known practice of injecting a small child with from 5 and up to nine or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit?

    3. Where are the vaccine safety studies in regard to the safety of injecting vaccine aluminum adjuvants?

    4. Where are the vaccine safety studies regarding the practice of injecting both vaccines with attenuated live viruses in them, together with as well killed vaccines with aluminum adjuvants in them.

    5. Where are the studies showing the vaccine safety of vaccines which are contaminated with human diploid cell short and long chain DNA contaminants, due to the use of human diploid tissue in the growing of the vaccine antigens in childhood vaccines? Where are the vaccine safety studies in regard to any other vaccine that has been known to be contaminated with the substances that the vaccine antigen was grown on, and from?

    6. Where are the vaccinated verses entirely un-vaccinated health outcome studies? Thousands of children still exist in the US, with active vaccine exemptions. The Amish community as well have had thousands of un-vaccinated children within their communities. Just because a small group of Amish were falsely fear mongered into vaccinating and ended up at a clinic in the attempt to diagnose and treat resulting childhood autism; does not mean that the entire Amish community vaccinates, and has been falsely eluded to. Obviously there is no need to not vaccinate, simply to do this study.

    7. In regard to the MMR vaccine. How does the CDC as well continue to ignore this long list of studies showing the harmful effects of, the vaccine injury effects of; and as well in these studies there as well appears be an obvious MMR connection to autism? The controversy does not only revolve around a single 1998 study by Wakefield, and as well a single study connected to the CDC’s, William Thompson. And the so called official word that they tell you is that any vaccine/autism link has been dis-proven, and debunked; right? Really? Lets look further.

    Research References
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe Official Website
    http://vaxxedthemovie.com/

    REP. Bill Posey Calling for an Investigation of the CDC’s MMR reasearch fraud Rep. Bill Posey brings former CDC researcher and now Whistleblower, Dr. Bill Thompson’s letter regarding significant files they omitted and destroyed to avoid reporting any significant race effects in their study.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546421/rep-bill-posey-calling-investigation-cdcs-mmr-reasearch-fraud

    CDC Scientist: ‘We scheduled meeting to destroy vaccine-autism study documents’
    https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-scientist-we-scheduled-meeting-to-destroy-vaccine-autism-study-documents/

    8. Can you explain how it is possible in regard to the comparisons of systemic adverse reactions, for the FDA in the review and in the approval of vaccines through clinical trials, to allow the substitution of saline placebo, a replacement such as other similar vaccines which the FDA has previously approved as safe? If big pharma and the CDC are going to re-assure their claim to the public that vaccines are safe; then why are not real saline placebos required in the comparison of systemic reactions. Lets as well look at the clinical trials on Gardasil. One placebo was the aluminum adjuvant, and the other appears to be HPV virus like particles, in the vaccines carrier solution. It is all in the over 400 page document that Merck submitted to the FDA on their said Gardasil clinical trials. No wonder the comparison between the vaccine and placebo graphs appear to be so similar. And with this going on, the public is actually supposed to retain their assurances of proven vaccine safety? I think not.

    9. Are you aware of the fact that SV40 a known contaminant in the early 1960’s polio vaccine, is still being found in children today, and which are to young to have ever had that known contaminated vaccine? SV40 is as well known to cause benign tumors, and cancer. Are you as well aware of the fact that vaccines today still contain the unresolved risk of there being contaminants in them that can cause and create adverse health effects? Contaminants from any once living animal, or human cell source, on which the vaccine antigens were grown on and from. This is clearly a remaining unresolved problem, and as witnessed again in regard to the vaccine Gardasil.

    Lets also take a look at the existing studies that allegedly show no connection between vaccines and autism. Actually, general vaccine injury, and immunological harm done, and without the evidence of autism, is an equally as serious an issue.

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And, what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiolgical studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unrealiable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    Read more:
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    14 Studies
    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    Aluminum

    Debunking Aluminum Adjuvant, Part 1
    Debunking Aluminum Adjuvant, Part 2
    The Foundation for Al Adjuvant Safety Is False
    RETRACTED PAPER: Brain Damage from Al Adjuvant and Gardasil
    UPDATE: Adjuvant Transport Gets Complicated
    Aluminum Adjuvant Injection Experiment #1: 100mcg/kg
    Aluminum Adjuvant Injection Experiment #2: 300mcg/kg
    Aluminum Adjuvant Injection Experiment #3: 550mcg/kg
    Toxic Aluminum Overdose From Vaccines
    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct
    Vaccine Aluminum Travels Into The Brain
    Natural, Science-Based Treatment for Aluminum Toxicity

    Immune Activation

    Response to Charges of “Cherry-Picking” (List of Abstracts)
    New Kid On The Block: IL-17a
    Two Vaccines With Opposite Effects On Brain Development
    Part 1: Immune Activation and Autism
    Part 2: Interleukin-6 and Autism
    Part 3: Immune Activation Causes Autism in Monkeys
    Part 4: Postnatal Immune Activation
    Part 5: Vaccines and Immune Activation

    Read more:
    http://vaccinepapers.org/

    Learn The Risk
    http://www.learntherisk.org/

    Topic: Vaccination: All
    More vaccine-showing the harm done-studies
    http://www.learntherisk.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/vaccine-risk-studies-from-GMI-2.pdf

    Educate For The Vaccine Injured
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/

    Facts & Science
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/the-factsscience

    Antibody titers and immunity: Are they related?
    http://vaclib.org/basic/titers-immunity.htm

    371 – Immunity, Infectious Disease, and Vaccination – Raymond Obomsawin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtN0PMJOOjM

    Trojan Horses and Clusterbombs: Dr Suzanne Humphries on aluminum
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJDl_UTB65o

    September 13, 2016
    If only half of America is properly vaccinated, where are the epidemics?
    http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/295562-if-only-half-of-america-is-properly-vaccinated-where-are-the

    The massive myth behind the vaccine industry…
    https://www.facebook.com/ANHUSA/videos/10155245606839535/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

    Vaccines Provide Herd Immunity? The Herd Immunity Myth
    http://www.anh-usa.org/vaccines-provide-herd-immunity/

    The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

    Educate before you vaccinate – April Renée
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llSwika86EM

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    References for question 9.

    Advances in Virus Research, Volume 50

    Pages 83 and 84, read. (Also see the study titled, Simian virus 40 in humans, below on this page)

    Excerpted:

    Moreover, blood and sperm fluid may represent important means for spreading of SV40 in humans.

    Indeed in these investigations, (Martini etal;, 1995,1996) 61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    Read more:
    http://books.google.com/books?id=PfO7D8ZoSMkC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=sv40+is+contagious&source=bl&ots=AlaWsAkp95&sig=RnycQFX2ucD-3zybHQ07FAIeJYk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kZLfT5_mA4qc2QXKz6jtCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sv40%20is%20contagious&f=false

    ​Simian virus 40 in humans

    This finding may also explain the lack of difference in cancer incidence between individuals vaccinated with SV40-contaminated and SV40-free anti-polio vaccines [82]. (ii) SV40 sequences and Tag were detected in blood and sperm specimens from normal individuals and oncologic patients [80,81,83-88] and in lymphoblastoid cells [32]. These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    Read more:
    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    CDC ‘Disappears’ Page Linking Polio Vaccines To Cancer-Causing Viruses
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdc-disappears%E2%80%99-page-linking-polio-vaccines-cancer-causing-viruses1

    SV-40 Deadly Cure
    http://www.viewzone.com/sv40x.html

    Simian virus 40 DNA found in US children:
    http://www.dreddyclinic.com/findinformation/ww/dis_con_article_ww/wilms_tumor_1.htm

    Simian Virus 40 Sequences in Human Lymphoblastoid B-Cell Lines:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC140833/

    Types of SV40 Associated Cancers:
    http://www.sv40foundation.org/Types.html

    Simian virus 40 is present in most United States human
    mesotheliomas, but it is rarely present in non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10619511

    Simian virus in polio shots tied to cancer / Two studies support widely disputed theory
    http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Simian-virus-in-polio-shots-tied-to-cancer-Two-2865997.php

    Some oral poliovirus vaccines were contaminated with infectious SV40 after 1961.
    http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/65/22/10273.long

    “Like other polyomaviruses, SV40 is a DNA virus that has been found to cause tumors and cancer,” explains RealFarmacy.com. “SV40 is believed to suppress the transcriptional properties of the tumor-suppressing genes in humans through the SV40 Large T-antigen and SV40 Small T-antigen. Mutated genes may contribute to uncontrolled cellular proliferation, leading to cancer.”

    How Much of Our Cancer Epidemic is Due to SV-40?
    http://www.realfarmacy.com/cancer-epidemic-sv40/

    ——————-

    In summary:

    Simply put, they have on the pro-vaccine side of this, zero existing studies in regard to the actually multiple vaccines safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule.

    If you question what I have put forth below; then lets see you produce the studies?

    They have zero existing safety studies in regard the known practice of injecting into a small child anywhere from 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit.

    They have as well zero vaccine safety showing directly the safety of vaccine aluminum adjuvants.

    They have zero vaccine safety studies regarding the practice of injecting both vaccines with attenuated live viruses in them, together with as well killed vaccines with aluminum adjuvants in them. Zero studies exists as to the cytokine reactivity within the immune system when combining live and killed vaccines in the same day and office visit. They never have had those studies, and never will have any such studies.

    They are injecting newborns on the first day of life, with an aluminum adjuvant containing Hep B vaccine. How much for profit irresponsible, can it get?

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated.

    None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    No vaccine safety studies exist in regard to showing the safety of vaccine aluminum adjuvants; and while they ignore the many studies in regard toaluminum adjuvants which indeed show the harm done and as well directly the physiological mechanisms of how that vaccine injury and harm are done.

    No safety studies as well exist in regard to the risk of injecting vaccines with known vaccine contamination in them; and which is yet an unresolved problem with vaccine production and manufacturing. Nothing has much changed since Maurice Hilleman stated and admitted to what he did, in regard to the previous polio vaccine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uGWut6IRfA

    In fact even after what Sound Choice Pharmacuetical Institute (particularly, Teresa Deisher) found for short and long chain DNA contamination fragments in those vaccines now produced with the use of aborted fetal cells tissue; no response has been received from the CDC, and nor is any further study even being suggested. This said institute as well has found significant increases in the change points in autism diagnosis, when each and every vaccine was newly created to be developed with this said technology, and when then added into public vaccine availability, and use.

    STUDIES AND RESEARCHES ON AUTISM DISORDERS
    http://soundchoice.org/autism/

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Vaccine Contamination
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-contamination.html

    The CDC has not done even as much as a small scale study comparing fully vaccinated to un-vaccinated health outcomes. There are plenty of existing children with vaccine exemptions they could have included in such a comparison study. Every independent study that has ever been done, clearly shows the un-vaccinated to be far healthier. A large scale study being done, is of course what the CDC fears the most. They already know what the outcome will be.

    ———-

    More on Gardasil

    Who wants this to happen to their daughter (or son), and to RISK this resulting as an outcome? They are also falling ill and dying from this shot. The vaccine makers have ZERO accountability for, and ZERO liability for vaccine injury or death. None. Zip. No penalty, no punishment, no fine, and no accountability, whatsoever. Some of the physiological mechanisms by which that this vaccine is causing that harm, and those deaths, has been outlined by those who have studied it, and obviously were qualified to study it on a physiological human health scientific basis. Just because Merck and or one their big pharma connected and based minions, did not do the studies and provide the information; they reject that information, and again only replace it with the junk science of epidemiological based numbers and as to the falsely alleged benefits of this vaccine. In their big pharma world, any alleged risks of vaccine injury harm, un-recovered from disability outcomes, and any alleged caused by the vaccine related deaths, are considered to be yet only an unproven coincidence. All of it is flat our, denied.10 years ago this vaccine was FDA approved on a fast tracked basis, and again recently and additionally also a new FDA approved, Gardasil 9 (strain) vaccine, as an improvement over the original 4 strain vaccine. There are known existing over 100 types of HPV strains. Doesn’t it make you wonder why throughout human history, no one and most people had never even heard of HPV until 2006. Today it is one of the biggest and most prominent vaccine money makers that is causing an equally immense level of harm and suffering, and perhaps even more so than the old attenuated live DPT vaccine, did.

    Gardasil Victim Speaks Out After 2 Years

    Uploaded on Jun 3, 2009
    Brittney gives an emotionally charged overview of what her life has been like for the past two years. She struggles daily with the fact her life has been forever changed. A doctor frightened her into taking the Gardasil vaccine by telling her she could get an HPV through a “possible” lab accident at college – where her blood could mingle with someone elses who had an HPV. She was never told HPV’s are sexually transmitted deseases. and having no other information, she allowed herself to be given a vaccine she never needed. Now she wishes the TRUTH to be told – more testing of this vaccine is warranted before another young woman is injured..
    See update for year 6 here: http://www.examiner.com/article/garda

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gCVCP8BFrU

    Read more:
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    ​My response to Antonio Baduy Cámara, and the blog Skeptical Raptor, as to their response to 9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxer’s
    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry that’s not what I asked for. You have some real reading comprehension problem. Read my post again, respond with what I asked for.

  • You are the person who claims they can not understand those 9 questions that have been repeatedly put in front of you. Therefore you claim that you can not respond to them. So who has the actual reading comprehension problem, here? You, or me? And try not tot respond with any more of your hypocrisy. So for your entertainment and enjoyment, you actually enjoy being repeatedly made a fool of, here? That is what you are actually claiming to.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So who has the actual reading comprehension problem, here? You, or me?

    You. I asked you for an argument which excludes all other possibility except that I am lying about not understanding your argument. You can not provide that. Just like you can’t provide an example of an argument which has no assumptions. Which I rather suspect is because you don’t know what you are talking about.

    Not only that but not a single one of your followers or readers can explain your argument.

    you actually enjoy being repeatedly made a fool of, here?

    Since you can’t understand that all arguments contain assumptions. I suspect you also can’t understand how someone like yourself who insists on that doesn’t understand how crazy they look to probably the vast majority of people. Myself included.

  • You have had two choices, all along. You can either answer directly and by number those 9 vaccine safety studies related questions, or you can continue to post more nonsense and false excuses for not doing so. In choosing either option, as a fact you will continue to make a fool out of yourself. You should already know and realize that. Those very needed vaccine safety studies do not exist, and because they have never been done. Face it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You can either answer directly and by number those 9 vaccine safety studies related questions, or you can continue to post more nonsense and false excuses for not doing so.

    False dichotomy. Clearly some aspect of your argument could be unclear – I don’t even understand it. You can’t express it – except by copypasta. Nobody else can express it or explain it. You refuse to explain it in a way I can understand. Clearly there’s nothing foolish about wanting to understand an argument before you respond. So your assertion that I look foolish is false. QED.

  • That is again just another load of the same twisted BS … so called …Graham. Just admit that in any honesty that you can not answer any of those 9 questions. That means that no real evidence as to vaccine safety has ever existed, and certainly not as to the current 2016 CDC vaccine schedule, as it stands. As a trolling vaccine shill …Graham, you simply are not going to admit to that, and no matter how obvious that becomes and is made for you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No it’s simple and obvious. I don’t understand your argument. You refuse to provide even the tiniest amount of clarification beyond just copy pasting the same thing. Nobody else appears capable of explaining or even expressing your argument. Even people who agree with you. So it seems I’m in the right calling you on it.

    you simply are not going to admit to that, and no matter how obvious that becomes and is made for you.

    What is required to agree with you has been published her on disqus many times and you have admitted that what you have posted is not that. So you again lose the excuse that my standards are unattainable.

  • You have no actual standards but what amount to only your own obviously twisted denial, and as well your outright repeatedly posted level of falsely antagonizing …lunacy.

    I didn’t just copy and paste those questions; I wrote each and every one of them myself, and the entire page was obviously created by me, and no one else. Which one of those questions needs ANY clarification? In as well what kind of a mind, would that be the case?

    Nobody else appears capable of explaining my argument; even people that agree with me??? You are lying, and I can assure you that there are endless numbers of parents now with vaccine injured children that can more than confirm and support what I put forth. Unfortunately that as well is what it has taken for them to do the independent research.

    So here is where you stand. You can not answer those questions as to the existing vaccine safety studies, and with the directly referenced information that goes with it. You also have repeatedly given only further and clear evidence of how insane the lying and twisted denial actually is and exists as within the pro-vaccine trolling shill …camp. In fact that is your outcome and current standing, directly at this point. Just admit it; and as it is and will continue to be more than obvious to any honest reader that has, or ever will read these posts.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You have no actual standards

    Again you have no excuse here. You can not raise a single problem with the format I’ve presented.

    Which one of those questions needs ANY clarification?

    They don’t make a cogent argument. Nor can you explain what cogent argument they make.

    Nobody else appears capable of explaining my argument; even people that agree with me??? You are lying

    Then point me to someone who can explain this to me. You can’t. So here we are.

  • Every lying and further twisted reply post you continue to make, only reinforces and supports with evidence, the truth of what I just stated.

    As I have said before, all you trolls are here for is to cause further disruption and distraction, and away from any honest and diligent debate regarding the articles found on this website, and also away from any issue at all as to vaccines, and vaccine safety. That is exactly what takes place here.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again Lowell, you can’t explain your argument in a way I understand, nobody else here can. Nobody else here can even try. Even those people who agree with you. You need to get a clue – the problem is your argument…or if you even have one.

  • AutismDadd

    So being wrong is your Super Power.

  • AutismDadd

    You too

  • AutismDadd

    Why bother?

  • AutismDadd

    I’ll think about it, and if feeling generous, might throw you a bone.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It is one of the most obvious logical fallacies. Interesting that this is going to take you some time.

  • Bullshit. You are nothing more than a lying, twisted man, attempting to do the devils deceptive work. You endlessly attempt to ignore and hide the truth. In fact you are not a man at all, but literally a new level of deranged subhuman. Anyone that can not do any better than you have done in directly addressing the real vaccine issues, obviously has no place and point in and as to posting on this site, ever again. Readers are looking for answers in regard to the vaccine risks, and all you do is attempting to derail that effort, and as I said, by only throwing more distraction and disruption at it Sick.

  • Jesus baby

    Your issue is having blind faith. Objective science-based evidence doesn’t affect you.

  • Jesus baby

    No but you did

  • Jesus baby

    I honestly don’t know but it never stops Lowell. And you and Ron seem to worship him. That’s really sad when you think about it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You are simply doing nothing more than wasting your time, my time, and everyone else’s.

    It’s practically impossible for me to be wasting your time Lowell. Unless you are behaving irrationally then clearly you have decided that responding to me with a long paragraph which is mostly abuse. Is the absolute best use of your time right now. Which is how I know you enjoy being verbally abusive. Have you talked to anyone about this problem?

  • Ron Roy

    Lowell challenge him to a public debate and watch him run. .

  • AutismDadd

    Grab a brain Jethro.

  • AutismDadd

    But you did too. Kettle meet pot sound familiar to you?

  • AutismDadd

    I’d question its existence while you are lapping up the media messages.

  • AutismDadd

    What’s wrong with being interesting? Try it some time.

  • Jesus baby

    You don’t have the education to do that reasonably.

  • Jesus baby

    You did I didn’t

  • AutismDadd

    Are you inhaling farts under the blanket again?

  • AutismDadd

    I’ll do it unreasonably then.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It might be interesting to see a dog that’s been taught to do a trick. That doesn’t make the dog interesting company. Read. Think. Post.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Awww…it’s cute when you project. Ron, anytime you can stop chickening out on this debate we can have it. Continue to avoid agreeing to voting rules and you can pretend that I don’t wan’t it forever. Which I guess is exactly what you want to do…

  • Duck, if they blocked you, you wouldn’t be able to respond to anybody at that site.

    Since you’re replying to Mike Stevens, clearly, it was a glitch. No conspiracy.

  • If Lowell is still struggling, I recommend signing up for some genealogy 101 courses on the order of ‘Here is how to draw your family tree’.

    Uncles and Aunts are shown diagonally.

    Parents and Children are shown vertically.

    Siblings are shown horizontally.

  • Ron Roy

    Johnny we will never agree on who should be allowed to vote so not having a vote is the only solution. So now tell me when you would be able to come to my hometown so I can make the proper arrangements. I have to give the media a reasonable notice.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Johnny we will never agree on who should be allowed to vote

    So if something can provably increase the accuracy of the vote. That’s BAD from your position. Right? You demand a LESS accurate vote? Right?

    Take away the vote and you just want me to spend money to listen to you talk. Which I can do here for free. So what would I gain?

  • Ron Roy

    The public exposure Johnny the public exposure. The media remember.

  • Jonathan Graham

    a) A human being has to remember before there’s any exposure and I’ve already pointed out that such a thing is unlikely. b) One person in a hundred is pretty severe intussusception was 2 in 10,000.

    So as usual you are just making things up.

  • Ron Roy

    Are you putting rum in your coke again? What the heck are you talking about? Hemmmm …. Maybe Johnny is a bot. Johnny when you said ”what would I gain?” My answer was public exposure. You know your side of the debate being shown to the public through the media that would be there.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ron I can’t be held responsible for your poor wording. If I were being paid or if I was on a self-delusional crusade like Lowell Hubbs then public exposure might be attractive. I’m not, I’m doing this for my own entertainment. I don’t find the idea of paying money to hear you say the same things you do here entertaining. After all I get that for free here.

  • Ron Roy

    So in other words you’re chickening out. Gee Johnny why pass up all that media attention?

  • Let’s do this in court where perjury rules apply. Both sides file documents with the courthouse though that we’re both good with the media and indeed ENCOURAGE them to come.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ron, look you promised me a debate with a vote. That was your big boast, the absolute second I take you up and try and flesh this thing out (because just saying “let’s debate” and flying to your hometown would be stupid). I spend MONTHS hunting you down trying to get you to hold up your end of the bargain. NOW you change the deal to the point that it’s just listening to you talk. Why would anyone take an out-of-country trip to get what they get for free.

    Gee Johnny why pass up all that media attention?

    Well a) Ron you are pretty close to a compulsive liar so I doubt there will be much awaiting me when I arrive. You must live in a pretty news starved town if “Two nobodies debate what the internet has debated for years” is newsworthy. b) Even if I believed you – I’ve already explained why media attention is uninteresting. I’m not on a mission nor am I a spokesperson. I’m not even self-employed. Hence there is literally no value to me.

  • Even then, would it be valuable? You already get exposure from every goverment in the world, every public health org in the world plus 99% of chemists, toxicologists, doctors, medical scientists & medical researchers and peer-reviewed journals.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Exactly! Which is why pharmaceutical companies probably don’t pay people to post on message boards like Disqus.

  • Because the sensible vote was what made it a good idea.

  • Even if they did, they’d want their particular products advertised, not just vaccines in general.

    People would be paid to shill for Hoover or Dyson, not Vacuum Cleaners in general.

    By the same logic, they’d shill for Hiberix or Engerix B or HibTITER, not vaccines in general

  • Jonathan Graham

    Hypothetically I suppose there could be a conglomerate which lobbies but it doesn’t make much sense. Pharmaceutical companies can’t be losing any significant amount of money to people like Ron Roy. In fact, were I trying to discredit the vaccine critical folk. The better strategy is to set up another Wakefield. Get a figure that the community rallies behind, get lots of weak papers published in pay-to-publish journals. Get speaking engagements at Autism One. THEN just turn around and say “It was all BS”.

  • Even then, you’d be shilling for two or three brands rather than vaccines in general.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Maybe. I mean we’re debating the workings of a hypothetical machine here but the “milk farmers” have lobby groups IIRC and they’ve had ads just promoting milk. I think there are some provincial growers groups too which are even more general. However all of that might just be making your point for you. :-)

  • shay simmons

    Given that Big Pharma controls a huge chunk of the supplement market, and Ron and his ilk eat supplements like candy, what the pharmaceutical companies lose on the swings they gain on the roundabout.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well everyone knows it’s in the supplements that we put the nanotechology mind control chips. Don’t believe me? I think there’s a whale article on it!

  • shay simmons

    Yes, but the FEMA tracking chip is in the flu shot. Pay attention.

  • Ron Roy

    A debate with a vote yes but then you wanted to put stipulations on who could vote and I said no. So we’ll have a debate with no voting but with plenty of media in attendance.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sure, you made stipulations too. Why can’t I? My stipulations make the vote more accurate. You can’t seem to answer why a more inaccurate vote is something you are so afraid of. Why is that Ron?

    with plenty of media in attendance.

    You really have some odd fixation here. Have you considered getting a pet?

  • I do not enjoy any part of your beyond sick presents here on this site, so you can stop attempting to self flatter yourself and as well as to your self inflated ego. How additionally in denial is a person like you which somehow still thinks that they somehow still deserve some sort of respect here, and after all the wasting everyone’s time worthless trash that you have repeatedly reply posted on these articles?

    You were presented with 9 questions, and with directly correlated reference material. In that page info you were as well provided with a direct summary as to it all. And still you repeatedly claim that you do not understand the information sufficiently to provide a reply. You persistently claim that the questions and information in general must first contain a form of assumptions, and as to your twisted terms, you refuse to respond to anything which is presented as determined facts. You have been repeatedly provided the opportunity to dispute the facts presented, and to answer those questions by number, and directly. You refuse to. Instead you have repeatedly posted only false excuses, and because you know that you can not in any honesty respond to anything in that information, and nor directly, without looking like a complete fool. So what do you do; you refuse to acknowledge any of the 9 questions, and any of the referenced information at all.

    So again, what does that show us? It shows directly your intellectual dishonesty, your cognitive dissonance, and as well what the obviously dishonest and twisted pro-vaccine trolling shill camp, is really made of.

    Again, all you are here to do is cause more intentional distraction and disruption, and to direct away from any form of honest and diligent debate, as to the actual vaccine issues. And just look at you; again when was the last time you posted anything at all which addresses even one single vaccine issue? That is a really pathetic posting track record, and instead of being ashamed, you just simply again keep flaunting your can’t be wrong, egotistical and self righteous arrogance.

  • Again, this is all you need, get started. Anyone that is following and reading this can see that; and that you are lying. How does that feel? Such a cowardly, dishonest, and twisted man. Get off your lazy duff and get started, I dare you. You obviously can’t do it. At this point there is no more evidence needed to show your failure and inability to actually address the real vaccine safety issues. Come on, end your repeatedly false excuses, and prove me wrong?

    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    I do not enjoy

    Lowell anyone who spends as much time being abusive as you do must enjoy it.

    And still you repeatedly claim that you do not understand the information sufficiently to provide a reply.

    I don’t understand your argument. There’s a difference.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, this is all you need

    Lowell we’ve been here before. I’ve read your stuff. I don’t see a cogent argument in it. You could have – in common, non-copy pasted words could have restated in a way that was clearer. In case you don’t spend time with real people this is how they discuss things. When I’m, for example making an argument to C-level management. I don’t send them a bunch of references and say “somewhere in there is my argument”. I talk with them and I address their concerns. Same with my friends and well all human beings.

    Since you can’t phrase more clearly. I’m going to assume that you have no argument. Let me know when you figure out what you are trying to say.

  • Then how come experimental data don’t actually support Béchamp, Rife, &c.?

  • You are so full of lying BULLSHIT that it is running out of your ears, and if you had any sanity left and between your pasty faced and red haired and now lowered ear lobes, you would know that. Your current picture looks more sick than your previous picture. I think that as well, really says it all. You really suck at what you do. Perhaps you should try a different occupation and past time. Oh that’s right, what was it again that you do for a living? I doubt that you even have a job at all.

  • So again you think that cutting a post apart and like you always do, somehow makes you look smarter. I do however enjoy exposing the fact that you are clearly very sick, and that you are a twisted and obvious lying fool. That part is as well an essential and needed part of my work, here. To bad for you, isn’t it?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I do however enjoy

    Hey we have a breakthrough. You can finally admit that you are enjoying this exchange. In fact you know you enjoy this exchange where you get to berate and belittle someone more than you would if we could get beyond your inability to make things clearer. Which is why you deliberately keep the discussion here.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No Lowell, it’s the truth. I’ve read your linked pages and I don’t see a cogent argument. What I describe is exactly how human beings discuss things. Go watch some real live humans if you doubt me.

    I do IT security work for a living. If you doubt me feel free to quiz me. As for having a job, if you were to look at my posting habits you would see clear clustering that indicates that have a job and what time zone I’m in.

  • Ron Roy

    One vote per person. What can be more accurate than that? What’s the matter Johnny afraid that a lot of people who have vaccine damaged children will show up? People that would see right through your bs.

  • Ron Roy

    Hey Johnny welcome to the 21st century they’re already chipping animals.

  • Jonathan Graham

    One vote per person. What can be more accurate than that?

    Are you saying that you are not going to make a logical argument?

  • If he wants media in attendance, I want to do this in court. Mainly for the perjury laws.

    I have absolutely no objections to filing documents to the effect of ‘Yes, please encourage the media to come’ with the courthouse though.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yes Ron and actually that’s something that was done in the 20th century. However, the chip is too large to be delivered by a vaccine needle and the injection is subdermal not IM like most vaccines.

  • Dear, public exoosure already happens. We’re not telling you anything that every goverment in the world, every major public health org, 99% of doctors, chemists, toxicologists etc haven’t already told you.

    Why would exposure matter to us?

  • No, we didn’t put stipulations on WHO could vote.

    Putting stipulations who could vote would be something like Jim Crow laws or even “only people of age.”

    If a 5-year-old can pass that test, they can vote. If a monkey can pass that test, they can vote. If a dog can pass the test, they can vote.

  • Herbert West

    Flat-earthers believed whatever the authorities of the day told them. Exactly as today’s duped herd believes whatever comes out of today’s authorities….CDC, bought and paid for politicians, Pharma execs….

  • Herbert West

    Why are you feeding the troll?

  • shay simmons

    Why does Ron think the media gives a rodent’s posterior about some crazy old coot in New England with a supplement fetish?

  • shay simmons

    Not via vaccinations, though. And if a mind control chip has been invented how come one isn’t being marketed to pet owners?

    It would have to be cheaper — not to mention a lot less work — than obedience training.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Maybe well be on the local farm report…just after they talk about how dem hawgs are doing.

  • shay simmons

    Hey, farm reports are important…they’re not going to waste time on the local conspiracy theorists.

    (speaking as the resident of a county that is 91% agricultural land)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Having never lived in a rural area I confess that I’m speaking out of ignorance. I don’t think I’ve ever even seen a farm report. :-)

  • shay simmons

    Agriculture’s a business now. I don’t know a single farmer here who doesn’t have a 4 year degree.

  • AutismDadd

    Right over your head as usual. Try being interesting

  • AutismDadd

    Denial. Part of the kettle , pot saga

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, it kind of went over yours though.

  • AutismDadd

    Jonny Canuck can’t seem to understand anyone’s comments. Must be us right Jonny boy?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Feel free to explain Lowell’s argument if you think you understand it.

  • AutismDadd

    Are you sure you understand Ron’s comment?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Don’t worry. When I don’t understand something I ask.

  • AutismDadd

    You ask a lot

  • AutismDadd

    That’s between you and Lowell, I’m not helping you.

  • AutismDadd

    Jonny, insomnia cure messiah.

  • Jonathan Graham

    LOL! Whatever you need to tell yourself.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Not really, the vast majority of my posts are not asking. Lowell is a special case because of his particular deficiency.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yes, yes. We’ve been through this. Not enough of a Michael Bay film to get you to focus.

  • shay simmons

    LATER THAT SAME DAY: Having just come back indoors from GSD #2’s daily training workout, which included the involuntary and wholly unwelcome participation of an entirely unnecessary rabbit, I’d give serious consideration to investing in a mind control chip for him.

  • Ron Roy

    Through hypodermic needles. Through vaccines next.

  • shay simmons

    “Through vaccines next.”

    Citation needed. As has been pointed out to you, the needle’s the wrong size.

  • Ron Roy

    Why? Hemmmmmmm Why? Maybe because a few of the people that would be there have vaccine damaged children and they would gladly help getting the media involved.

  • Ron Roy

    99% BULL. And the exposure would show people that those who do promote vaccines are clueless. Been there done that.

  • shay simmons

    Also, the chip doesn’t track your pet’s movements, it’s merely an identification tool.

    Anyway, the gummint doesn’t need to inject you with a chip to know where you are, where you’ve been, and where you’re going — all they need is the cooperation of your cell phone service provider.

  • shay simmons

    Again…why would the media care? Oh wait, I know — with all the media attention on fake news recently, a follow up report on people who believe in Whale to might be of interest.

  • Then it would already have done that.

  • Ron Roy

    Take the batteries out.

  • shay simmons

    So why are you carrying a non-working cell phone around with you?

  • Jesus baby

    I was speaking of present day flat-earthers. They have much in common with anti-vaxxers like you. To hell with science, right?

  • Jesus baby

    No, A-dad, you responded, “Jealous because I out troll you?”
    Where did I ever say I was a troll? (I didn’t)
    You troll.

  • So explain exactly how these study authors were wrong? You yet have not done that.

    Advances in Virus Research, Volume 50

    Pages 83 and 84, read. (Also see the study titled, Simian virus 40 in humans, below on this page)

    Excerpted:

    Moreover, blood and sperm fluid may represent important means for spreading of SV40 in humans.

    Indeed in these investigations, (Martini etal;, 1995,1996) 61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=PfO7D8ZoSMkC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=sv40+is+contagious&source=bl&ots=AlaWsAkp95&sig=RnycQFX2ucD-3zybHQ07FAIeJYk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kZLfT5_mA4qc2QXKz6jtCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sv40%20is%20contagious&f=false
    Infectious Agents and Cancer

    Review Open Access

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    Abstract

    Simian virus 40 (SV40) is a monkey virus that was administered to human populations by contaminated vaccines which were produced in SV40 naturally infected monkey cells.

    Recent molecular biology and epidemiological studies suggest that SV40 may be contagiously transmitted in humans by horizontal infection, independently from the earlier administration of SV40-contaminated vaccines.

    SV40 footprints in humans have been found associated at high prevalence with specific tumor types such as brain and bone tumors, mesotheliomas and lymphomas and with kidney diseases, and at lower prevalence in blood samples from healthy donors.

    Contrasting reports appeared in the literature on the circulation of SV40 in humans by contagious transmission and its association, as a possible etiologic cofactor, with specific human tumors. As a consequence of the conflicting results, a considerable debate has developed in the scientific community. In the present review we consider the main results obtained by different groups investigating SV40 sequences in human tumors and in blood specimens, the putative role of SV40 in the onset/progression of specific human tumors, and comment on the hypotheses arising from these data.

    http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1750-9378-2-13.pdf

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    Fernanda Martini1, Alfredo Corallini2, Veronica Balatti1, Silvia Sabbioni2, Cecilia Pancaldi1 and Mauro Tognon1*

    Corresponding author: Mauro Tognon

    Author Affiliations

    1 Department of Morphology and Embryology, Section of Cell Biology and Molecular Genetics, School of Medicine, and Center of Biotechnology, University of Ferrara, Via Fossato di Mortara, 64/B. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    2 Department of Experimental and Diagnostic Medicine, Section of Microbiology, University of Ferrara, Via Luigi Borsari, 46. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    Excerpted:

    A source of human exposure to SV40 occurred between 1955 and 1963, when inactivated and live anti-polio vaccines, prepared from polioviruses grown in naturally SV40-infected simian cell cultures, were administered to hundreds of millions of people in the United States, Canada, Europe, Asia and Africa [63]. Soon it was shown that children vaccinated with contaminated oral polio vaccines (OPV) shed infectious SV40 in stools for at least 5 weeks after vaccination [64]. However, some children, who received the same OPV, did not develop neutralizing antibodies even though they may have received large doses of live SV40, compared with the potentially inactivated SV40 in inactivated polio vaccine (IPV). Further, SV40 human contamination occurred in experimental infection with live respiratory syncytial virus to adult volunteers and a neutralizing antibody response in about two thirds of the volunteers was shown [65]. Inactivated vaccines against adenoviruses [66] and hepatitis A [67] virus also exposed humans to SV40, although the amount of infectious SV40 was almost certainly lower then that administered with OPV or live respiratory syncytial virus.

    Additional serologic studies reported a SV40 seropositivity in individuals with no history of immunization with contaminated IPV or other possible route of SV40 infection [69-72]. Shah et al., [72]

    These studies suggest that humans may become infected by SV40 independently from poliovirus vaccine exposure. However, most of these early serologic studies were carried out before the discovery of the two human polyomaviruses, BK and JC, which are close related to SV40 and are ubiquitous in human populations. It is possible that the early serologic evidence of SV40 antibody detection in human sera represents some degree of cross reactivity with antibodies against the highly related BK and JC viruses [73-75].

    To date, the prevalence of SV40 infections in humans is not known. Recent studies, based on PCR and serological techniques, indicate that SV40 infection occurs both in children and adults. (i) SV40 DNA sequences have been detected in normal and neoplastic tissues of people either too young (1 to 30 years) or too old (60 to 85 years) to have been vaccinated with SV40-contaminated anti-polio vaccines [19,33,76-81]. This finding may also explain the lack of difference in cancer incidence between individuals vaccinated with SV40-contaminated and SV40-free anti-polio vaccines [82]. (ii) SV40 sequences and Tag were detected in blood and sperm specimens from normal individuals and oncologic patients [80,81,83-88] and in lymphoblastoid cells [32]. These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

  • Dumb Dumb, is a very accurate and good name for you. And what does your family tree show, other than similarities to common ZOO animals?

  • Why are you replying?

  • Who cares what you make your money and main living from, you are still an obviously paid shill with a connection to something. You actually wouldn’t have a clue as to how honest human beings discuss things. Tell me, what is the difference between a conspiracy theory, and an actual conspiracy, fact? You know that you have no real comprehension of the difference. That is because your choice is to live in denial.

  • Such a seriously SICK man, you are. And you actually keep the discussion going here, you beyond obviously twisted hypocrite. What good have you done here? None.

  • How about we hold it in court where perjury laws apply? We can file documents to the effect of ‘Both sides are perfectly happy with the media’.

    As for what can be more accurate than that….people voting who can count from 0 to 100, avoid major logical fallacies and glaring chemistry failures. Do you think this is too hard for the average person? I don’t.

  • Don’t insult the flat Earthers. Someone truly believing the world is flat does no real harm to others.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Who cares what you make your money and main living from

    Clearly you do, since you brought it up. You’re kind of losing it Lowell

    you are still an obviously paid shill

    It’s always interesting how people can delude themselves with words like “obviously” when there is literally no significant evidence to their point.

    with a connection to something.

    Oh a “connection to something” is it now? Just “something”. Don’t you see that you’re casting a wide net here so that, heaven forbid you actually do find out my identity that you can pretend like you “saw the signs” when it’s revealed that my second cousin is a doctor or something similar.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I think I’m just pointing out the obvious Lowell. You enjoy being verbally abusive and deliberately keep the discussion right here so you can have that excuse.

    Whenever you understand your point sufficiently well to explain it to me then I’m ready to take it down. Until then we can just chat like this.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s only through a rather determined ignorance of science that you can arrive at your conclusions.

  • Jonathan Graham

    And the exposure would show people that those who do promote vaccines are clueless

    Uh Ron. Did you actually read DD’s post? See she’s talking about what good would exposure do to someone like me (or her) we are not telling anyone anything they don’t already know – vaccines are safe and effective. Nor would refuting people like yourself be anything that they couldn’t already look up on the internet.

    So you are kind of stuck, you have changed your original offer (perhaps deliberately) to create something of less value to me because a) You are afraid of a more accurate vote and b) You know having a bunch of people in your home town vote you in as village idiot is one of the few outcomes of this debate that interest me.

  • Ron Roy

    Johnny I know you wouldn’t have gained anything by debating with me but it would have shown those in attendance how bad vaccine really are.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you admit you wanted to remove any incentive I had to debate you. Likely because this debate is really just posturing. Put a vote in that is more accurate than what you have proposed and we’re on. If you don’t – well I suspect you’re just scared that people who understand even a tiny bit of what I’ll be talking about will see through you. Is that all it takes Ron to consider you a fraud? A tiny, microscopic amount of logic?

    Didn’t think you held yourself in such low esteem. I stand corrected.

  • Mike Stevens

    You want me to explain how “SV40 is a monkey virus” is wrong?
    Well as you said so yourself, Lowell… There are no viruses.

  • Herbert West

    Lol, not sure.

  • Herbert West

    You have it backwards, you are unconditionally accepting what the authorities tell you is true. Cite the “science” you claim “anti-vaxxers” are rejecting.

  • AutismDadd

    It didn’t need saying, its obvious

  • AutismDadd

    Then it shouldn’t be an issue, given your deficiencies.

  • AutismDadd

    Nice try getting me to help you. BULLETIN: I’m not your Mom.

  • Jesus baby

    Smallpox eradication. Go.

  • Jesus baby

    You said I admitted to being a troll. I asked you for proof of that. C’mon, troll.

  • AutismDadd

    So denial isn’t evidence, TROLL

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell has a pretty clear issue. If you want to be blind to that because you agree with some of his points then that’s your call. It’s a silly call but it’s still yours.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m more demonstrating a point. You don’t understand Lowell’s argument because he’s barely lucid.

  • Again, you failed to answer the question directly, and thus you again have nothing. You continue to make claims, that you have not, and can not support.

  • The ONLY one making and keeping the discussion right here, is obviously, you. Such a rotten and stinking , liar. Again, you do nothing but further attempt to aggravate the situation, and distract and disrupt from any honest debate and dialog on the vaccine, and vaccine safety issues. You have nothing, and you know it. So lets move on?

    Vaccines DO Cause Autism. Here’s How.
    http://vaxtruth.org/2015/07/vaccines-do-cause-autism-heres-how/

    Vaccines and Autism. Thimerosal? MMR? or the 800 Pound Aluminum Gorilla?
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/marcella-piper-terry/vaccines-and-autism-thimerosal-mmr-or-the-800-pound-aluminum-gorilla/10153178444423533?pnref=story

    Hear This Well Parents Speak Out
    Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence 263 videos 474,533 views
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe

    Six Lethal Sins of CDC: A Toxic Legacy of Lies
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/05/six-lethal-sins-of-cdc-a-toxic-legacy-of-lies.html?ct=t(Bring_Vaxxed_to_a_city_near_you_4_30_2016)

    Six Lethal Sins of CDC A Toxic Legacy of Lies Part 2: VACCINES
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/05/six-lethal-sins-of-cdc-a-toxic-legacy-of-lies-part-2-vaccines-.html?ct=t(Bring_Vaxxed_to_a_city_near_you_4_30_2016)

    Six Lethal Sins of CDC A Toxic Legacy of Lies: Part 3 Autism Numbers
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/06/six-lethal-sins-of-cdc-a-toxic-legacy-of-lies-autism-numbers.html?ct=t(Bring_Vaxxed_to_a_city_near_you_4_30_2016)

    Master Manipulator: The Explosive True Story of Fraud, Embezzlement, and Government Betrayal at the CDC Hardcover – May 31, 2016
    by James Ottar Grundvig (Author), Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (Introduction), Sharyl Attkisson (Foreword)
    https://www.amazon.com/Master-Manipulator-Explosive-Embezzlement-Government/dp/151070843X?ct=t(Bring_Vaxxed_to_a_city_near_you_4_30_2016)

  • Jonathan Graham

    The ONLY one making and keeping the discussion right here, is obviously, you.

    Lowell I simply don’t understand your argument. Right? You refuse to make it clearer to me. Right? You have it in your power to clarify further. Right? I should not be required to guess what your argument is in order to engage with you. Right?

    So what else I can do? I can read every vaccine critical web page and that won’t explain YOUR argument. You are the authoritative source of YOUR views.

    So if you want to move on. You’re the one who has to move.

  • Who cares, was put in the sense that obviously that is not the only thing you do, and as to that obviously that is not the only thing you are connected to, and that if in fact that which you stated, is not just a lie in itself. What does doing IT security work for a living, have to do with vaccines? And thus I make my point.

    Obviously there are a significant number of paid trolling shills on the internet. None of them have ever admitted to it, all of them deny it, and they all have denied it, claiming that there being no evidence for it, and no proof of it. Of course not, as that is all of course left and remaining to be hidden. The entire existing shill issue, is simply corrupt and very sick. Yet you are self serving and arrogantly proud of it, and as to that denial.

    So lets move on to the actual vaccine issues. What can you address as to these issues? Again, the answer will be, absolutely nothing

    The claim that the total number of antigens in vaccines today, are less than they used to be, is total bullshit. Not one of these people that claim to that have ever shown how that is determined. A vaccine antigen is just that, a vaccine antigen, and there are still enough of them in multiple vaccines given on the same day, to cause a cytokine storm risk. You can literally see the anxiety in this woman’s face as she simply quotes the CDC/Offit/ big pharma based pro-vaccine bullshit that she has been, and that the public has been fed.

    If vaccine injury is not possible, then why are so many parents reporting obvious vaccine injuries; and of course all of which people like this will deny the reality of. Then she says studies have proven no link between vaccines and autism; which is entirely false. What does she consider as being enough evidence and proof? By the standards they have, nothing of course would ever be enough.

    The Paul Offit style mislead ignorance in this woman’s statements, are literally at a criminal level. In saying that what I refer to is the reckless vaccine risk she is promoting to the public, and particularly all children, teens and adults. Give her the damned three shots of original Gardasil, and see how that turns out. Then later, proceed with the new Gardasil 9.

    Tdap Vaccine: Facts you are not given
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy59dIY93l4

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    MMR Vaccine Research References – (That the CDC ignores)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    Hear This Well Parents Speak Out
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw/videos

    Here you can directly see as well how unprofessional Paul Offit really is. Confronted by the Vaxxed crew.

    NYC protests forced vaccination panel

    Paul Offit says it all

    Yesterday hundreds of people gathered on a bitterly cold, windswept First Avenue in Manhattan to protest an event at the New York University Langone Medical Center called “Confronting Vaccine Resistance” which featured some of the the leading proponents for forced vaccination in the United States. The demonstrators were joined by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Gary Null and VAXXED producers Del Bigtree and Polly Tommey along with the VAXXED bus.

    Joshua Coleman, a member of the VAXXED crew attempted to interview Paul Offit, a vaccine entrepreneur and advocate of seizing children who are not fully compliant with the federal vaccine schedule, who was there to speak at the meeting. Here is a link to the results which succinctly states Offit’s position (trigger warning: contains profanity.) This brief video is worth viewing.

    View Paul Offit’s video taped reaction. And this guy Offit is someone you are supposed to trust with your child’s health, in regard to vaccines? Obviously Offit thinks he is some sort of unapproachable, Wizard of Ozz? Just like when Senator Pan ran as well from an interview with the Vaxxed crew.

    VaxXed Meets Paul Offit
    Published on Nov 21, 2016

    Joshua Coleman sees Paul Offit eating breakfast in New York on November 21, 2016 and approaches him for a polite conversation. Paul wasn’t up for it. Camera and editing by Joshua Coleman.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAJdyPNWnA

    New Junk Science Study – No link between ‘too many vaccines’ and autism risk
    http://www.vacfacts.info/new-junk-science-study—no-link-between-too-many-vaccines-and-autism-risk.html

    The Rehash Of ONLY The Old (Corrupt) Vaccine So Called Safety Studies – Presented As A Current And New Study
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-rehash-of-only-the-old-vaccine-so-called-safety-studies—presented-as-a-current-and-new-study.html

  • Mike Stevens

    You claim viruses don’t exist, yet you want me to comment on a “virus”?
    Like you, I say it doesn’t exist.
    Now we are as one in our stupidity!

  • Again, no one said this organism did not exist, so what is it really? Why has no scientist ever really determined that? You are yet in the dark ages of real science, quite obviously.

    THE FRANKENSTEIN VIRUS

    Like most of America, the Medical system is corrupt and rigged in order to control the people and make money by keeping people sick.

    Five Reasons to Abolish All Vaccine Laws NOW.
    Reason one. Viruses are not living and do not exist.
    Go to the next page after you read this page.

    This picture of the so-called virus that they said caused polio came from the book,” POLIO AND THE SALK VACCINE. 1956
    Written by Alton l. Blakeslee SCIENCE EDITOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS and with a Forward by Basil O’Connor, President, The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Notice it says magnified 100,000 times with the electron microscope. The vaccine inserts say they have ‘living virus’ in them. They are lying. If the masses believe in living viruses and that they are a cause of disease, then the vaccine racket will go on forever. If you believe in viruses or not, the first thing you MUST know is that a “living virus” is a living lie. The only real pictures of the so-called virus are like the one above. Black and white pictures. They all will say magnified by an electron microscope as much as 180,000 times. All color pictures etc. are COMPUTOR GENERATED or what is called an “artist conception” (A fraud). Or in plain English–bull shit.
    The “fuzzy white sphere” is not what people think-a live or dead agent like a bacteria. It is what is called a pellet. It is the solid part of the infection they used that has been separated by their centrifuge machine.

    YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS NEXT FACT BEFORE GOING ON.

    Here is the Function of the Electron Microscope straight from the Manufacture.

    “The electron microscope is capable of revealing details as much as 1000 times smaller than visible in light microscopes because the wavelengths of electrons are much shorter than those of light. Transmission electron microscopes make it possible to explore cell strucrures and large protein molecules. Because beams of electrons can pass through thin samples, cells and tissues MUST BE CUT INTO ULTRA THIN SLICES BEFORE THEY CAN BE EXAMINED UNDER A MICROSCOPE. With scanning electron microscopes, a pencil like beam of electrons is scanned over the surface of a specimen. For images, specimens do not have to be cut into thin slices to be visualized. The scanning electron microscope produces scanning three-dimensional images of cells. Because electrons are easily scattered by molecules in the air, samples examined in both types of electron microscopes must be placed in a vacuum in order to be studied. As a result, researchers chemically preserve their samples first and then remove all the water before placing them in the microscope. This means that electron microsopy can be used to visualize only non-living preserved cells and tissues.”

    One doesn’t have to be a scientist or doctor to understand the way an electron microscope works. Any intelligent 10 year old can understand the words, “THIS MEANS THAT ELECTRON MICROSOPY CAN BE USED TO VISULIZE ONLY NON-LIVING PRESERVED CELLS AND TISSUES.

    ​No one has EVER seen a live virus, because they don’t exist.

    Stop now. To read is one thing. To know is another. Google the electron microscope for proof.

    The picture of the virus above was taken with the electron microscope. The real question is what was the object or material that is in the picture? You won’t believe it at first. After you study this you will realize how sick these people called virologist were and are today. People like that psychopath Paul Offit. But here is Salk describing what a virus is. Page 160. from the book The Saga of Jonas Salk,” (1966)”Now, the principle of vaccination is not difficult to understand. “A vaccine is made of the virus that causes the disease.”

    You will discover that the diseases caused by (their) viruses was the poison they used to create ARTIFICIAL disease in the laboratory, by injecting infected material (poisonous) into healthy animals. This artificial creation of disease had nothing to do with natural sickness.

    These are all taken from the book Thomas Rivers wrote in 1948. At the end of the page I will list more so that you fully understand what these sick people called virologist do to create artificial disease and make their poison virus vaccines with, and that is injected into children and said to prevent disease.

    Chapter 9–Harold N. Johnson-A Rockefeller worker.

    Page 233. Rabies. There are only a few laboratories outside of France and the France colonies that continue to prepare vaccines from desiccated spinal cords. It has been found that rabbit brain is a much better source of fixed virus (made in the laboratory) than is spinal cord. ( Fixed virus is when they inject the poison into animal after animal)

    Page 234. during recent years, the Semple vaccine has been the one most commonly used in the United States. It is package in 14 doses of 2cc. each of a 5 per cent rabbit brain suspension in physiologic saline solution and contains 0.25 percent phenol. (Phenol is a highly poisonous caustic crystalline chemical derived from coal tar, commonly called carbolic acid.

    VACCINE RECIPES.

    This recipe was from the shyster who said he grew the polio virus in 1949, John Enders. From the book, “PAPERS AND DICUSSIONS PRESENTED AT THE SECOND INTERNATIONAL POLIOMYELITIS CONFERENCE. 1952, sponsored by the National foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Page 35. “For the direct isolation in tissue culture of poliomyelitis from STOOLS of patients, a 10 per cent suspension of feces in saline was prepared. After the addition of 100 units of penicillin and 100 micrograms of streptomycin per cubic centimeter, the suspension was centrifuged for 30 minutes at 3500 r.p.m. in a Sorval angle-head centrifuge machine and 0.1 cc of the supernatant fluid employed as inoculum. White mice and rhesus monkeys have been inoculated intracerbrally with materials from tissue cultures in order to demonstrate the presence or absence of the virus.”

    Spinning $hit and injecting it into a monkeys brain. Man these people are beyond looney.

    Peter K. Olitsky,M.D. Rockefeller Employee.

    from the book, “VIRAL AND RICKETTSIAL INFECTIONS OF MAN

    THOMAS RIVERS,M.D. 1948

    1. Material-Infected brain tissue from mice.

    2. Add Rabbit serum.

    3. Grind in a bowl or blender.

    4. Centrifuge.

    5. Extract fluid in a syringe.

    6. Inject into the mouse’s brain through the scull or the nasal cavity.

    So lets end this by going back to the beginning.

    SO HOW DO THEY MAKE THE ANIMALS SICK IN ORDER TO USE THE INFECTION IN THEIR EXPERIMENTS?

    Here is the answer.

    READ MUCH MORE:
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

  • Mike Stevens

    Lowell: “Again, no one said this organism (SV40 virus) did not exist”

    Lowell, 4 lines later: “Viruses are not living and do not exist.”

    I’m not arguing with you Lowell, you are arguing with yourself.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Who cares, was put in the sense that obviously that is not the only thing you do

    Lowell you really need to read what you write. You claimed that I wasn’t employed at all. So clearly to YOU my employment status matters. Hence that justifies my response and annihilates your “who cares”. The answer is: “Lowell Hubbs does because HE BROUGHT IT UP.”

    and as to that obviously that is not the only thing you are connected to,

    ROFL again you keep trying to hedge your bet because if it turns out that I am not paid by pharmaceutical companies or related businesses you will take just about anything as a “connection”. Just so you don’t have to be wrong.

    What does doing IT security work for a living, have to do with vaccines?

    It’s my job and it speaks to how I end up online even during the 9-5. In any case you brought up my employment status. I simply responded. Don’t want me to talk about my employment status. Don’t mention it.

    And thus I make my point.

    Lowell I think you need some practice in that respect.

  • It seems that you are neglecting your so called IT security work today? Why is that? Who would pay you to do that work and yet let you keep posting on VT all day and night? And obviously I never said you were not employed at all; and it was never said who pays you and nor directly what even your sick motive is. All that is really known for sure here, is that YOU are very twisted and sick. And all you are really doing here in this post is again attempting to keep your own self bolstered ego, alive. Again, you have already shown that you have absolutely nothing to contribute in regard to the vaccine safety issues. I know you don’t want your large ego bubble to burst, here; but you have actually made no point at all here, and on any level of any issues here, whatsoever.

    Move on to addressing something more productive that actually has something to do with the vaccine, and vaccine safety issues. Again, after dozens and does of replies that you have made, when was the last time you in an form directly did that? Move forward with the actual vaccine issues, or get gone!

    The claim that the total number of antigens in vaccines today, are less than they used to be, is total bullshit. Not one of these people that claim to that have ever shown how that is determined. A vaccine antigen is just that, a vaccine antigen, and there are still enough of them in multiple vaccines given on the same day, to cause a cytokine storm risk. You can literally see the anxiety in this woman’s face as she simply quotes the CDC/Offit/ big pharma based pro-vaccine bullshit that she has been, and that the public has been fed.

    If vaccine injury is not possible, then why are so many parents reporting obvious vaccine injuries; and of course all of which people like this will deny the reality of. Then she says studies have proven no link between vaccines and autism; which is entirely false. What does she consider as being enough evidence and proof? By the standards they have, nothing of course would ever be enough.

    The Paul Offit style mislead ignorance in this woman’s statements, are literally at a criminal level. In saying that what I refer to is the reckless vaccine risk she is promoting to the public, and particularly all children, teens and adults. Give her the damned three shots of original Gardasil, and see how that turns out. Then later, proceed with the new Gardasil 9.

    Tdap Vaccine: Facts you are not given
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy59dIY93l4

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    MMR Vaccine Research References – (That the CDC ignores)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    Hear This Well Parents Speak Out
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw/videos

    And where is the evidence for vaccine derived herd immunity, when thousands of adults have never been re-vaccinated since they were school children? It does not exist, and obviously never will.

    The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

    Here you can directly see as well how unprofessional Paul Offit really is. Confronted by the Vaxxed crew.

    NYC protests forced vaccination panel

    Paul Offit says it all

    Yesterday hundreds of people gathered on a bitterly cold, windswept First Avenue in Manhattan to protest an event at the New York University Langone Medical Center called “Confronting Vaccine Resistance” which featured some of the the leading proponents for forced vaccination in the United States. The demonstrators were joined by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Gary Null and VAXXED producers Del Bigtree and Polly Tommey along with the VAXXED bus.

    Joshua Coleman, a member of the VAXXED crew attempted to interview Paul Offit, a vaccine entrepreneur and advocate of seizing children who are not fully compliant with the federal vaccine schedule, who was there to speak at the meeting. Here is a link to the results which succinctly states Offit’s position (trigger warning: contains profanity.) This brief video is worth viewing.

    View Paul Offit’s video taped reaction. And this guy Offit is someone you are supposed to trust with your child’s health, in regard to vaccines? Obviously Offit thinks he is some sort of unapproachable, Wizard of Ozz? Just like when Senator Pan ran as well from an interview with the Vaxxed crew.

    VaxXed Meets Paul Offit
    Published on Nov 21, 2016

    Joshua Coleman sees Paul Offit eating breakfast in New York on November 21, 2016 and approaches him for a polite conversation. Paul wasn’t up for it. Camera and editing by Joshua Coleman.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAJdyPNWnA

    New Junk Science Study – No link between ‘too many vaccines’ and autism risk
    http://www.vacfacts.info/new-junk-science-study—no-link-between-too-many-vaccines-and-autism-risk.html

    The Rehash Of ONLY The Old (Corrupt) Vaccine So Called Safety Studies – Presented As A Current And New Study
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-rehash-of-only-the-old-vaccine-so-called-safety-studies—presented-as-a-current-and-new-study.html

  • Herbert West

    You’re either a shill or a hard core dupe. Even the authorities understand vaccines did not eradicate smallpox. But since you are making the claim, let’s see what you have for proof of your claim.

  • Again, you deliberately missed the point. The only one arguing here is you. I am just presenting with real information and the informational points of this issue. You refuse to focus on the actual substance of the information, and as to the said issue. You as well refuse to accept that there is any other explanation.

  • The only evidence for and as to the existence of stupidity, here; exists only within your own stubborn refuse to consider and accept any other explanation, entirely closed mind.

  • Mike Stevens

    Can we clarify whether you think viruses exist, first?
    Then I’ll know how to gear my response to you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It seems that you are neglecting your so called IT security work today? Why is that? Who would pay you to do that work and yet let you keep posting on VT all day and night?

    I’ve answered this before. IT workers frequently sit at the computers all day anyway. Do you really think it takes much more than a couple of minutes to respond to your swath of posts? I’m not sure what police state you grew up in but taking two minutes isn’t really considered neglecting my job.

    And obviously I never said you were not employed at all;

    Oh Lowell you are such a silly willy. Just two days ago you said:

    I doubt that you even have a job at all.

    So you’re wrong. I await the expected torrent of invective when you do something stupid.

    and it was never said who pays you

    You said I’m a pharma shill. Doesn’t that mean I’m getting paid from pharmaceutical companies. Or are you now retroactively broadening THAT term so again you can make some claim like: IT Firm X is actually funded by Novopharm. Anything to avoid waking up from your delusion. Right Lowell?

    Again, you have already shown that you have absolutely nothing to contribute in regard to the vaccine safety issues.

    I’ve had many productive conversations. I just can’t talk with someone who doesn’t make their point clear and refuses to clarify.

  • AutismDadd

    I’m fine with Lowell’s comments. Your’s nope

  • AutismDadd

    You nitpick every little thing. OCD?

  • AutismDadd

    What a joke. Vaccine science ignores established science in order to push the boundaries. Problem with that is all the illness and neurological injuries it causes.

  • Herbert West

    If you’re not a troll you have some psychological issues. Your pick.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Except that you can’t explain his argument.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Reported. OCD is a real condition and people who have that diagnosis probably don’t appreciate it being co-opted by you as an insult. As is all too common here your alleged compassion for people who claim vaccine damage is kind of called into question when your compassion for people who are OCD is ankle deep.

  • AutismDadd

    Poor Jonny, having a bad day.

  • AutismDadd

    Is that abuse? Reported

  • Jesus baby

    Evidence would be showing where I, like you, said I was a troll, troll. Looks like you have none.

  • Jesus baby

    Lol the authorities say that? Which ones?

  • Jesus baby

    One of your problems is not having the background to understand what “established science” is. It doesn’t mean something is true just because you found it on an anti-vax web site.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Just pointing out that you’re disrespecting a whole group of people for no other reason than some petty insult.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. Your confusion as to what does and does not constitute abuse might be part of your problem though.