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Jodie’s Story: A Little Girl Lost After Illegally Given an Untested 8-in-1 Vaccine

This historical vaccine injury case, to be ruled on in court soon, involves a doctor who seriously put an infant’s life at risk, the National Health Service in the United Kingdom and parents of a permanently and severely vaccine-damaged child, Jodie Marchant.

The Marchants share with us what happened after they took their one year-old daughter to the doctor, only agreeing for the MMR while refusing all other vaccines. They were completely shocked when they found out their baby Jodie was given an illegal, untested 8-in-1 vaccine concoction, deliberately mixed in one syringe, which destroyed their daughter.

Her father, Mr. William Marchant, has stated that investigations indicated the existence and persistence of the vaccine-strain measles virus in Jodie’s gastrointestinal tract. Jodie’s bowel findings could not be identified locally. Her report matched the same description published in The Lancet by Dr. Andrew Wakefield, the paper that was retracted, even though the findings have been repeated numerous times. [1]

Andrew Wakefield was correct with his findings, even though considerable effort has been made by government officials and vaccine manufacturers to conceal data proving a link between vaccines, autism, bowel disease and brain damage. Jodie was also one of Dr. Wakefield’s patients.

The Marchants were sent death threats to remain silent when they learned the truth of what happened, raising the question, how many infants are being experimented on during these well visits?

Jodie’s parents were told by experts that their case is totally unique and they are the only family to ever hold the records to prove this happened.

This combination vaccine given to their daughter could never be researched, as the subjects would not survive. Parents do not know what vaccines are truly being given to their child during these office visits.

Jodie’s story offers a glimpse at how government officials and vaccine manufacturers cover up vaccine damage and how they try to avoid being held liable, proving in their own case that vaccine records were deliberately removed after an untested vaccine was given without consent.

This family has bravely come forward during this crucial time, when vaccine laws are being challenged and parental rights to choose are being slowly taken away.

The association with inflammatory bowel disease being linked to the MMR vaccine and autism was, and still is, a very controversial topic.

Twenty-two years have passed since that injection was given. This family is still battling their case in court. Jodie’s parents will not run from those responsible. They will never give up fighting to obtain justice for Jodie.

A Family’s Nightmare Begins With The MMR Vaccine

Jodie Marchant was born a beautiful and healthy girl on March 2, 1992. She was developing well and on target. After receiving a reminder notice in the mail to bring in Jodie to get the MMR vaccine, her parents, William and Pat Marchant, contemplated the issue and agreed to have her vaccinated. Up until this point, Jodie had not received any vaccines, nor did her older sister.

On May 17, 1993, when Jodie was 14 ½ months old, they arrived at Aldermoor Surgery health clinic in Southampton, UK. They agreed to allow Jodie to receive the MMR vaccine and physically signed to refuse the DTaP vaccine and any others. Once in the waiting room, Jodie’s name was soon called and Jodie said, “Love you,” to her dad, on the way in.

Patricia held her baby girl and took her into the room. Upon entering the room, Patricia was surprised to find a pre-filled syringe waiting for Jodie. Then Jodie was injected in a hurried fashion. Once Jodie was injected, she immediately screamed out like she had never screamed before, in a high-pitched sound.

In the waiting room, William heard this loud scream. His blood turned cold because he knew that it was his daughter. It was Jodie. Patricia was upset. She came charging into the waiting room and said she is never having another vaccine.

Within minutes after Jodie was vaccinated, she started shivering and shaking, was taken home, had high-pitched screams, suffered a high fever and stopped eating right away. Her parents were told by the doctor that she had a virus and not to worry. This was the day she was left permanently disabled and would never again be her normal self.

Numerous Doctor Visits, No Answers

Jodie became a different person after the shot. Little Jodie was in inconsolable pain, turned pale and her loving and jubilee nature changed to a child whose parents seemed nonexistent. Her life was never the same after the vaccine.

Jodie’s parents had no help in understanding what was wrong with their daughter. Jodie would regularly bash her head and needed to wear a helmet for protection. She suffered seizures. She became doubly incontinent, meaning she lost control of her bladder and bowel movements. She stopped walking and eating, lost speech, lost eye contact, stopped recognizing familiar adults and she had a horrible smell from acid reflux that kept coming out of her mouth, for years, all while growing as a child. This all started after she was given that shot.

In 1994, William and Pat sought much-needed help and one oral health surgeon said to put her in her room to cry it out. Doctors weren’t giving Jodie correct medical treatment. They wouldn’t admit anything was wrong. Her parents were keeping her alive on milkshakes because she couldn’t eat.

Jodie needed round-the-clock care. Her dad had to give up working to help take care of her and this caused mortgage payments to fall behind. They were losing their house and were told to contact Disability Living Allowance (DLA) to ask for help receiving some financial assistance and to help diagnose what was wrong with Jodie.

Jodie suffered convulsions after she was given that vaccine, which her dad considered could be a symptom of epilepsy. He requested an electro-encephalogram (EEG) but was turned away. Jodie kept suffering more convulsions even two years later. William kept requesting an EEG to be performed and continued to be ignored.

Jodie’s parents were fed up and called the Health Visitor in September 1994 and told them to get her looked at properly or they would contact the police. Eventually an appointment was made, with an EEG done, which led to a confirmed diagnosis of epilepsy.

The Marchants were told Jodie’s reactions were a coincidence and not connected to her problems. In November 1994, Jodie was examined by a DLA doctor named Dr. Ritchie. He acknowledged she was damaged and that she was getting all the wrong messages and that’s why she was toe-walking. He said, “She’s not watching the television, she’s living it.” Jodie was diagnosed as being severely brain-damaged.

Dr. Ritchie made sure Jodie was awarded a high rating of disability, needed for the family to receive financial assistance. She was noticeably suffering severe neurological and gastrointestinal problems. However, this needed financial assistance came too late for them to save their house. The Marchants were evicted and then put into a temporary accommodation.

At the temporary house, they switched doctors for ten months. Once rehoused, they went back and rejoined with Jodie’s previous doctor again. At this time, William and Pat still did not know of the action committed on Jodie and what she was really injected with that fateful day.

Jodie Was Diagnosed With Autism

In 1995, Jodie was diagnosed with autism, at age three, just with autism. Doctors wouldn’t look at anything else. There were a large number of vaccine-damaged children being reported in the UK after getting the MMR vaccine and major efforts to hide these truths from the public were becoming apparent. [2]

Government officials knowingly had allowed for some unsafe and possibly untested vaccines to continue on the market, partially to cut costs while protecting vaccine manufacturers from being held liable, at the expense of the vaccine-injured and their families.

Even though Jodie was labeled autistic with severe learning disabilities, she did attend school at age three. Due to her suffering, she ended up mostly being homeschooled because she was in so much pain. Her parents constantly sought for her to get the proper treatment but Jodie’s problems were being ignored.

Her parents were told Jodie should be in care as she would never know them or recognize her own parents. Patricia’s response was “my daughter is going nowhere.”

A doctor who recognized vaccine damage ordered for Jodie to have an MRI. On October 20, 1995, CJ Rolles arranged a scan.

Jodie’s First MRI

In 1996, Jodie’s first MRI test results came back all clear. They missed that Jodie had Chiari malformation, which are structural defects in the cerebellum, the part of the brain that controls balance, and when injured, can cause many symptoms, including toe-walking, commonly observed in vaccine-injured children. [3]

A proper diagnosis would’ve indicated the likely cause of some of Jodie’s symptoms, which are associated with nervous system damage. Growing evidence suggests Chiari malformation could be caused by an acquired brain injury. Brain injuries can be vaccine-related. Only surgery can correctively treat this. Due to the misdiagnosis, Jodie did not have the surgery to help correct the problem. [4]

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Mother Was Told The Birth Could Have Caused Jodie’s Problems

Jodie’s parents took her to many doctors, many times, after her health deteriorated. Unable to get answers as to what caused Jodie’s problems after the vaccine link was denied, a friend gave them a magazine article discussing pressure at birth, stating this could cause a child to develop problems around the second year of life.

Patricia thought about Jodie’s delivery and remembered the student nurse who helped in Jodie’s delivery was very rough at the birth. Pat questioned if there could be a connection. The problem was that Jodie had developed fine and had no health problems prior to when she was given that vaccine.

Desperate for answers to try and get help for Jodie, her parents decided to get legal advice to see if the birth was linked to Jodie’s problems. It was arranged for them to visit Portland ST Hospital for an examination. Before going, they had a chat with another mom who asked if Jodie had received an MMR shot, because her son was badly damaged following his MMR. She told them Jodie’s behavior pattern was in line with vaccine damage. A doctor had informed them Jodie’s demise was likely caused by a virus.

This talk was at a severe special needs school which their kids attended. Realizing the identical reactions, the Marchants tried to cancel the hospital appointment but were advised to attend. At the appointment, they were told by the doctor that there was nothing to suggest the birth was involved in Jodie’s problems. This was in line with their DLA doctor who stated Jodie was not born this way, but rather, she has been damaged.

William and Patricia were given details by this mother to seek help from Dr. Andrew Wakefield at the Royal Free Hospital. Desperate for help, they discussed this with their GP and their GP arranged a referral for Jodie to be seen at the Royal Free.

Dr. Andrew Wakefield And His Team Were Sought After For Help

In January 1998, Jodie and her parents met with Dr. Andrew Wakefield to discuss what was contributing to Jodie’s demise, which started after she was given that vaccine. By now, Jodie had been suffering severe bowel problems (being doubly incontinent) and many other issues for almost five years. She was given medicine to clear her system and her next visit for treatment was scheduled to take place in June 1998. Until Jodie was taken to the Royal Free Hospital, her parents were not given answers as to what happened to their child.

Soon after Jodie’s first visit to the Royal Free, Dr. Andrew Wakefield and his colleagues published a paper in The Lancet on February 28, 1998, linking a plausible connection to inflammatory bowel disease, autism, brain damage and the triple MMR vaccine. [5]

Consistent with Dr. Wakefield’s findings, Jodie had the vaccine-measles strain in her GI tract.

Beginning in June 1998, Jodie was treated by other doctors at the Royal Free Hospital. They found she was too badly constipated and the colic she was being treated for was, in fact, acid reflux. They said her problems were far bigger than what they were seeing in the other children. Jodie was different from the other children.

A pediatric gastroenterologist, Professor John Walker-Smith, is considered a great man to the Marchants because he agreed to help Jodie. He was one of the doctors that helped treat Jodie at the Royal Free and was able to confirm Jodie was not given an ordinary MMR vaccine.

His diagnosis was spot on, as the Marchants would later find out. Jodie was given the MMR mixed with five other vaccines (an 8-in-1), which had never been known to have been given before. Even without Jodie’s vaccine records at the time, the professor was able to confirm she must have received more than an ordinary MMR.

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Jodie’s Urine Sample Showed A Unique Pattern

In 1998, to assess Jodie’s damage, the parents were asked to send in a urine sample to Dr. Paul Shattock, who is aware of a possible link between the MMR vaccine, thimerosal and autism. His own son was diagnosed with autism. [6]

Upon testing Jodie’s urine sample, it was discovered Jodie’s showed a different pattern. On a suggestion, they were advised to get the batch numbers of the vaccines given to confirm what vaccines they gave her.

Dr. Shattock observed Jodie’s urine sample had gone over the peaks and informed the Marchants, “You are not telling me something, there is something else other than the MMR.” Jodie’s peaks were unbelievable and he asked what else she had with her MMR vaccine.

Jodie’s parents were confused, because they had only agreed for the MMR vaccine and nothing else. The Marchants had never requested a copy of Jodie’s vaccine record before and had no idea what they were about to learn.

Vaccine Records Went Missing

William and Patricia were asked to provide the vaccine batch number in order to submit an application to the vaccine damage unit, to collect compensation for damages associated with the MMR vaccine. Her records were needed to determine what caused the spike in the urine sample and to file an application for damages.

They went to request her vaccine record, where Jodie had received the shot and the doctor there said they could not find Jodie’s records. This included records from numerous visits for help following the jab. They were also informed the doctor who signed off on Jodie’s vaccines, for the nurse to give, who was the head of surgery at the time, Dr. Allison Hill, had left.

Needing Jodie’s record, they went back to the temporary doctor who had seen Jodie and this doctor had her records archived. The records revealed a disturbing truth that Jodie had been overdosed and was given DTaP and an injected oral polio vaccine. The parents were given batch numbers for DTaP and a recorded and signed-for oral polio vaccine.

Both contained the GP’s signature. The parents hold proof of these batch numbers and a signature from the GP who authorized the nurse to inject these.

Her parents said this is not what Jodie was taken in for. The doctor told them to go back to that doctor and get the MMR info, which they did. Another record with the GP’s signature and batch information on it had surfaced, to show Jodie was given the MMR II vaccine manufactured by Merck.

They found out she was given all of this and then later found another vaccine was given to her, all injected into her through that one shot. They were assured the seven went into her but new records that surfaced several years later revealed an eighth vaccine was given and signed for. The Marchants haven’t publicly revealed what the eighth vaccine is. Due to the sensitivity of the case that is still ongoing, that information is not being published.

The record on the eighth vaccine was separate from the other vaccine records and had either been missed or hidden. The GP had signed it herself. This record confirms it was given.

It is unthinkable to inject an oral polio vaccine but these records have been accepted by ALL during the case. The Marchants’ written statement, based on these vaccine records, notes none of these eight vaccines were given in the mouth, and the doctor cannot produce the name of the administrator of the vaccine, so they have no defense to prove otherwise.

These medical records held proof of some massive corruption going on. The Marchants learned their daughter was vaccinated with a combo vaccine that may have never been tested. Jodie’s parents went in for their daughter to get only the MMR and refused all other vaccines and they were completely shocked to find out Jodie was given this cocktail, MMR+DTaP+Oral Polio and the eighth vaccine not mentioned, all drawn up in one syringe.

One of the GPs of Jodie who supported the Marchants by helping them obtain Jodie’s records lost her job. It became clear to Jodie’s parents, upon their discovery of the extra vaccines, that cover-ups by every department were being made. Jodie’s parents were not meant to get a hold of these records but managed to, despite efforts of those trying to cover up what was done to their daughter.

Years after the incident, Dr. Allison Hill was asked about signing for these vaccines to be given to Jodie without parental approval and a written signature to avoid the DTaP and other vaccines. She said that she could not remember the patient or doing this. She apparently did not remember Jodie’s scream that day. And even to this day, she is not aware the Marchants hold the proof of that eighth vaccine given, with her signature on it, even with the attempts made to alter Jodie’s records.

Giving an injection incorrectly is negligence on the part of the administrator or doctor who signed off for this to be done. The MMR vaccine is to be injected subcutaneously (SC) while the DTaP and another vaccine Jodie received are to be administered intramuscularly (IM). An oral polio vaccine is only to be given orally, not through injection. This proper way of giving these multiple vaccines was not taken into consideration when Jodie was stuck with this 8-in-1 vaccine combo, never before tested or proven safe to inject. [7],[8]

William holds information saying it is not recommended to give the MMR+DTaP simultaneously.

This is why it is considered Medical Negligence. By giving the vaccines all together, it is almost impossible to blame any particular vaccine. This avoids a battle with a drug company.

From one of Jodie’s reports:

“The subcutaneous or intramuscular administration of vaccines should always be initially safeguarded by determining whether or not the syringe needle had penetrated a small blood vessel which could cause immediate delivery of the vaccine or vaccines into the circulation.  This would result in the vaccine being distributed to the central nervous system within a few minutes.  The immediate adverse response observed in Jodie’s case suggests that this was a possibilty.  Personal reports that I have received from parents of children possibly suffering vaccine related adverse reactions have, on a number of occasions, reported a similar reaction.”

It was becoming clearer to the Marchants when Jodie’s records went missing, that a massive cover up was taking place. The Marchants were being sent death threats and told to remain silent and drop any actions against the doctor and the General Medical Council (GMC).

Not being able to remain silent because of how Jodie’s life was ruined, they did not remain complacent, especially after the assault played out on their daughter. In the year 2000, their Member of Parliament for Southampton, UK, Alan Whitehead, and the then current Health Minister, John Denham, went public to support their issues. [9]

Also in the year 2000, according to research, another paper authored by Dr. Andrew Wakefield titled Measles mumps rubella vaccine: through a glass darkly was published. This paper looked at the pre-licensing safety trials of the MMR vaccine.

This paper looked into how officials considered the triple MMR vaccine to be safe, pointing out each vaccine was actually licensed separately and not tested as a triple vaccine for safety. [10]

The Marchants were even faced with abuse charges, which they took on and blew away. Some bruises on Jodie were caused by two teachers forcibly holding her down, while a third teacher changed her pad. A photo of Jodie sent home clearly showed she had been left unchanged and, in agony, becoming sore. The Marchants let everyone know they would not tolerate any ill treatment of Jodie.

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Jodie’s Parents Warned Dr. Andrew Wakefield He Would Be Targeted

It became clearer to William and Pat why it was so important to keep Andrew quiet. William was able to warn him of Brian Deer and the plot against him on the MMR issue.

Until they went to the Royal Free, they were told to let Jodie suck on a peppermint or lock her up to cry it out. The Marchants knew Dr. Wakefield was too dangerous to the vaccine program to let him speak.

People love to listen to his voice. The truth would stop the compulsory vaccinations and would cost the drug companies more than they could afford to pay. It is feared Jodie’s case could cause problems if the public found out.

Jodie Tested Positive For Carrying The Vaccine Strain Of Measles In Her GI Tract

In 2001, samples from Jodie were collected by a nurse, as well as by staff at the Royal Free. These samples were sent to Professor John O’Leary at Coombe Centre in Dublin, Ireland, to see if Jodie tested positive for carrying the vaccine strain of measles in her GI tract. Tests proved positive.

The findings matched what the published Lancet paper article, authored by Dr. Andrew Wakefield, stated. Wakefield never “deceived The Lancet journal,” those who sought to retract his paper “deceived the children damaged by the MMR.”

After The Truth Was Revealed

The Marchants waited for a solicitor to launch an appeal for over two years and then William contacted the Legal Services by phone and via e-mails. After an argument on the phone, they agreed to give them an appeal.

At the Appeal, their solicitor turned up with the wrong files and was unable to answer any questions, as he had not read the files. William then took his own files to show the Panel, and he showed them a GP’s letter confirming that Jodie was totally normal until the jab. This GP lost her job by giving them the proof of what Jodie had been vaccinated with, despite the fact the Marchants did not give consent for any vaccine, except the MMR.

The Marchants were under attack and their case was trying to be covered up. When they were asked about missing records from Jodie’s files, William produced the missing files. The Practice Manager swore and asked how he got them. She later said in a letter that they held the same files.

When they transferred Jodie to another doctor, all vaccination records were missing and William had to copy his own to give to their current doctor. This act is recorded by Jodie’s current doctor.

Jodie Had A Gastric Band Operation

On January 13, 2004, when Jodie was 11 years old, she had surgery to have a gastric band put on her. Her parents could tell she was in pain when she banged her head. She was being treated for colic but had acid reflux. The operation was supposed to stop the acid reflux from coming up because it was burning her esophagus all the way through. This was the time Brian Deer came in the picture.

Jodie’s parents were told if she had the surgery to put the band on, it would be impossible for Jodie to be sick. Previous to the operation, Jodie constantly had an acidic yellow mixture coming up. The day after the surgery, she became violently sick, started vomiting and Jodie began losing weight.

Her parents asked if the band could be too tight. They were told no and were just given another tablet of Lamotrigine for Jodie to take. The doctors just wanted Jodie’s parents to go away. Then Jodie started completely seizing more.

The medicine, Lamotrigine, was doubled. Jodie was rushed to the hospital because of pain and they doubled her medicine to 800 mg a day, causing more seizures. The maximum dosage for an adult is 400 mg a day. After complaining that the medicine she was given to stop the fits was causing the fits, they asked why her dosage was double what an adult should be given.

The drug was causing Jodie’s seizures and her parents asked why she was being prescribed so much Lamotrigine. Only after much complaining did they half the dosage, only after parents asked why. That’s the treatment the Marchants were given.

Jodie Suffered Much Worse After The Gastric Band Surgery

Before this operation, Jodie only had the acid reflux and was in pain. The gastric band was too tight. This caused Jodie even more pain and she began throwing up all day; 8-10 times a day a mess would have to be cleaned up. This was so severe, the Marchants had to change their carpet and repaint the walls. It was a disgrace and no one would listen to them.

After the gastric band was put on her, for six years Jodie’s parents had to pick up after their daughter because the band caused her to continuously vomit and suffer. Changing the carpet in their house and car and repainting the walls became a repeated chore.

Jodie would bang herself because she was in such terrible pain trying to get the wind up, the colic and the acid reflux. With the element of pain she lived with, her parents felt helpless because they were not getting needed help for her. Parents dealing with severely vaccine-injured children sometimes ask themselves, is it fair to keep them alive in so much constant pain?

The government would not listen to all of these parents speaking up about the same thing. Many parents have children suffering from the vaccines. Jodie’s case is one of the most severe. Someone should listen. The Marchants wondered if their case was the only case the Health Minister was supporting.

The vaccine damage payments unit was not addressing this issue. It was clear they were missing terrible problems while officials were saying they don’t think the MMR vaccine causes autism. The Marchants want them to look at what happened to Jodie and to pay for this. Patricia states they’ve been through hell and back and Jodie still suffers.

This situation has been so intense. In 2012, when Jodie was 18, she suffered another seizure while at the top of the stairs in their house. While she was fitting, she fell down the stairs. She broke her nose, hence the bruises on her beautiful face (as seen in this 24 minute documentary). One can visibly see all the marks Jodie left on the carpet and walls from her being sick (from the video Living With Autism, shared by the Marchants’). [11]

Brain Surgery

In 2007, Jodie had brain surgery after a second MRI revealed an Arnold-Chiari malformation, something her first MRI didn’t detect. She had surgery to lift part of her brain. Also, her tonsils needed to be put back into place.  The surgery seemed to be successful when Jodie’s vomiting declined a bit and the seizures lessened. Overall, Jodie initially improved. It was stated she began saying words like “Mum,” “Dad” and “hello” once in a while.

Chiari malformations can cause seizing fits and unbearable pain. Jodie had been suffering from this all along and was not given the treatment prior to this surgery. Her problems had been ignored.

Sadly, the positive effects from the surgery were short-lived. William and Pat were complaining that Jodie’s brain was showing a compression on one side. Her parents felt she would need a further MRI, and they felt Jodie’s health was deteriorating. She had walked flat-footed following the brain surgery, which they thought was fantastic, but Jodie’s sickness got worse and worse. It became obvious her brain dropped again and the gastric band had always been too tight.

Parents Demanded The Gastric Band Be Removed

In Southampton, the Marchants had a meeting arranged with a gastroenterologist and another doctor. When they showed up, there was no clinic and no one there. William demanded to know why. They were supposed to be discussing the major problems Jodie had. They were told to wait and a specialist nurse would come in.

The nurse said if they were prepared to say Jodie’s bowel issues and her digestive system were all right, then the medical staff would support the position that she needs to have her brain looked at again. Her parents would not agree to this, because Jodie was in too much pain for them to back down. Pat told them to undo the band because you could see Jodie’s bones sticking up, on top of her shoulders.

They said they would take a look at Jodie because she wasn’t getting enough food in her. Jodie’s parents had enough. They were told one of two things. One option was to loosen the band and the second option was to get rid of it. Pat said she didn’t want to go back and wanted to get rid of it and would have Jodie treated with medicine if the acid reflux came back.

Jodie had the gastric band removed in 2010 and the acid reflux didn’t come back. The band had caused problems for six years. The parents had told the doctors it was too tight from the very beginning and to look at it. Jodie’s problems worsened after that surgery and no one cared to listen to the family, to help Jodie.

Finally, the band was removed. Pat and William had an awful time picking up after Jodie’s messes caused by that band, eight to ten times a day after she got sick. This went on for six years while Jodie suffered. Jodie felt better now.

Jodie’s Brain Damage Is Considered Beyond Repair

Averting the previous attempt to keep her parents silenced, Jodie was given a referral for another MRI. The neurologist said they would give the parents copies of the MRI if they did not take legal action. Otherwise, they would have to pay for reports if they planned to pursue legal action. They paid for them.

Further tests showed that Jodie’s brain damage was considered beyond repair. She had crowding on the left side of her brain. The epilepsy nurses had stated the left side of her brain is too badly damaged for even stem cell treatment, according to Jodie’s records. She will not be having a second brain surgery because of this. It’s very dangerous and will not likely help.

An American Vaccine Damage Expert Is Commissioned

Dr. Mark Geier and his son David Geier are considered vaccine damage thiomersal experts, by many families of vaccine-injured children. Dr. Mark Geier was commissioned from America to do a report on Jodie.

Upon finishing his final report on Jodie, just to be certain of his findings, Dr. Geier asked for a small, un-intrusive test to be done on Jodie. The Marchants would have gone through with the test, but the test was prevented. Mark was stopped from proceeding with the test.

Dr. Geier was paid for his work but not allowed to finish his report on Jodie because he was discredited, according to the Marchants’ Legal Services Commission (LSC). The witch-hunt was on for him and his son. Dr. Mark Geier and his son David were both sought after to discredit their work that acknowledges vaccine injuries and for finding ways to help treat children with autism spectrum disorders.

Many parents brought their child in for help, to see Dr. Geier and his son, after their child regressed following the MMR vaccine. Pat and William were noticing this familiar attack, as they themselves had been sent death threats to remain silent, as well as the time when William warned Dr. Andrew Wakefield about his controversial but needed research. Now the Geiers were being sought after, to silence their work.

Dr. Geier was given the money for his report, but the report was not accepted. According to William, “The LSC were desperate to hide the truth about Jodie’s case and about vaccines causing injury. Perhaps they were given answers they did not want.”

Legal Funding Issues

The first time Jodie’s Legal Aid stopped, the Marchants eventually had half of their funding reinstated and later on, the rest was reinstated. Not without a fight. Funding was removed a second time and their appeal to restore it proved successful. Funding was reinstated the third time on July 31, 2013, despite their solicitor trying to prevent this.

Despite all the hurdles to regain funding, their Legal Services have already supported the Marchants’ evidence by restoring the Legal Aid funding. The Marchants don’t believe Brian Deer has been made aware of this.

The Legal Services Commission wanted scientific proof of the probability that the vaccines were responsible for Jodie’s health problems, in order to justify the Marchants to continue receiving Legal Aid for Jodie.

William stated:

“We actually had our funding removed once because we were told that since the cocktail of 8 vaccines she was given has never been researched, we could not prove vaccine damage. We successfully argued that if it had not been researched, it should never have been given to Jodie, especially as consent was refused for all vaccines, except the MMR. We added scientific proof was not the criteria, which is probabilities.”

The Lawsuit

William wants to make sure Jodie will be taken care of when he is no longer alive, after what was done to her.

They brought an assault charge against the GP, Dr. Allison Hill, who was the head of practice at the time and the one who signed for the nurse to administer the vaccines to Jodie, despite the parents not consenting for five of the eight vaccines given (the eighth vaccine was still unknown at the time).

This case was unsuccessful, even though a child protection officer had agreed that Jodie’s vaccination with DTaP and oral polio were against her parents written consent and that did constitute an assault. The parents were warned that “politics would stop him from finishing the case.” Once the case was referred, due to politics over protecting Jodie, the police were stopped by Legal Services Commission (LSC) from pursuing further action.

At this time, the eighth vaccine given was still hidden in the records. The Marchants were unaware of this at the time these charges were brought up.

A complaint to the General Medical Council (GMC) also got no results, even though the GMC agreed that what had occurred in Jodie’s case was “unprofessional,” the doctor could not be blamed if the nurse who administered the vaccines acted incorrectly.

When their Legal Aid was reinstated, the Committee stated that:

“Due to the way the doctor’s kept Jodie’s records, any Judge would be suspicious of anything they said. Also if the nurse was traced, then her version would be ignored, due to her action.”

The Marchants’ case is still ongoing and they are very confident of success. They were amazed by the Panel report that unanimously backed them one hundred percent to take action, and agreed to fund them.

Going for Assault and Medical Negligence means the person responsible cannot hide behind the pharmaceutical companies protected from lawsuits.

They were not told of any vaccines added to the MMR shot they agreed to. If they had known, they would have left immediately. Limited consent is on record, although all records are now removed on vaccines. Thankfully, the parents have copies.

They were told their case could open the floodgates for vaccine damage and this is why funding was removed more than once, although it is now back.

The records on the eighth vaccine were separate from the other records and didn’t show up until several years after the Marchants learned Jodie was given the DTaP, oral polio and the MMR vaccines combined.

The record on the eighth vaccine has the GP’s signature, who the GMC said could not be blamed if the nurse acted outside of her duties. William and Pat hold a record confirming it was given. There are 60 dossiers of records to prove their case. The Marchants have had their records checked by the top departments and all have agreed that the vaccines were given, despite lack of consent.

The family is relieved there are no more pop-up death threats now. They will not tolerate this behavior. They have lived through a nightmare after what happened to their daughter and they will not accept anything less than justice for Jodie.

Vaccine Reactions Rarely Reported Or Compensated For In The UK

Families in the UK are rarely compensated when these pharmaceutical drugs injure. The UK has a Yellow Card system that offers very little help to damaged children. [12]

Vaccinating in the U.K. is not compulsory, and the Marchants had refused, on record, a vaccine given to Jodie without consent, which is an assault. It is also negligent to administer unresearched vaccine cocktails like that. Jodie was assaulted at fourteen months of age, when she was injected with an 8-in-1 vaccine, containing two triple vaccines in one syringe. And the doctor did not report Jodie’s reactions.

A doctor is supposed to report any adverse reactions from a vaccination on a yellow card. Sadly, very few parents are made aware of vaccine reaction history, although they are entitled to be told. Parents are not being given informed consent. It is very clear the Marchants were not given informed consent, either.

Jodie Suffers Convulsions And Is Disabled For Life

Jodie turned 23 years old on March 2, 2015.

Currently accepted, Jodie will never work or survive each day, without help. Due to the severity of Jodie’s lifelong health problems, requiring constant care, the Marchants fought to restore Legal Aid funding and will be allowed to continue receiving this for her. This Legal Aid would have normally ceased when Jodie turned 21.

Jodie does not know how to celebrate Christmas or her birthday and she won’t know how to celebrate any justice, if the family wins their case. When offered a present, she smiles, gently pushes it away and then cuddles. This is her life for now on.

The Marchants were told Jodie is alone on having this cocktail of untested vaccines given in one syringe. They are also the only ones to hold the files to prove this. It was made very clear they were never supposed to find out.

William stated:

“Jodie said two words to me when going in that room to be destroyed. They were ‘love you’ and ‘THAT IS WHY I FIGHT ON.’ The doctor took her future away. We owe it to Jodie to get justice.”

Jodie’s case is unique, they are told. Jodie was not one of the children studied in The Lancet article published by Dr. Andrew Wakefield and his colleagues. Her problems were more severe.

The Marchants are being told that Jodie’s brain is damaged beyond repair. They have been told her damage is too extensive to be treated even with stem cells. They have had to battle for help since this happened and have seen many errors in her treatment.

Her parents are thankful she is still in their life. It’s been a very hard road for all of them, but worst for Jodie suffering through this pain, almost her whole life. There have been numerous close calls due to her vaccine injuries.

Jodie’s severe bowel problems still exist. When a child has the vaccine strain of measles in their gut following the MMR shot, the vaccine is the most logical explanation as to how the virus got there. Despite the media reporters doing all they can to get people to believe otherwise, parents whose children regressed after vaccination know better.

Jodie is such a sweet and caring daughter even though this happened to her. Still today, she suffers many problems. She can’t speak, she can only finger feed (eating a very limited diet), she is doubly incontinent, has severe learning difficulties, she seizes and has fallen down the stairs and suffered one broken front tooth and she has had many operations, including the gastric band fitting and brain surgery.

Thankfully, the routine vomiting eight to ten times a day stopped when the band was removed. College was never expected for Jodie, due to her problems. Experts have told the Marchants their case is totally unique and could never be researched because the subjects would not survive.

After all these years, Jodie still finds some comfort when driven through the forest to calm her from being sick. The car was damaged from her being sick. That didn’t matter because driving Jodie around was the best way to help ease her pain.

When Jodie wants to go for a ride in the car, she grabs a shoe to let her parents know that is what she is requesting. Her parents are still on stand-by to this day. When Jodie grabs her shoe, it’s time to go.

Despite all the hurdles to maintain receiving Legal Aid for the assault done to their daughter, the Marchants will continue to fight this all the way to the end.

Their Chapter In Silenced Witnesses 2

Silenced Witnesses 2 is part of a six-book series. Books 1 and 2 were released in France.

“I opened the launch by introducing the book and then commenting on something that has frequently concerned the parents over the last two and a half years. The fact that the parents of the Lancet paper children were not brought to give evidence about the inflammatory Bowel Disease affecting their children.”

“This is the second volume of Silenced Witnesses from Slingshot Publications, and the object of the books is evident, to give a clear voice to parents of vaccine damaged children, so that whether we win or lose the GMC battle or in the future when we win the scientific and the political arguments about vaccine damage, the parents’ voices have been recorded.”

“The GMC prosecution has said that on the basis of the Lancet paper, Dr. Wakefield and the other two doctors carried out research on 12 children, without ethical committee approval, that they used invasive procedures for the purpose of experiment, that they carried out research without parental approval. That they experimented on children for the purpose of aiding claimant’s cases against the pharmaceutical companies, but most seriously of all, the prosecution has argued that the children who came to the Royal Free were not ill, that they were autistic but did not have Inflammatory Bowel Disease; this has been the absolute core of their case.”

“ … without Andrew Wakefield, the science, the data, the information about MMR, Inflammatory Bowel Disease and regressive autism, would have been buried by governments and drug companies, perhaps for ever.” [13]

“Since her parents began writing their chapter of Silenced Witnesses, they discovered that “Jodie has a mitochondrial disorder and this has made us aware of the real need to test children before vaccination.” [14]

Brian Deer Visits The Marchants

The Marchants were filmed for three days by Channel 4, in 2004. They thought it was to highlight Jodie’s problems and was not about the MMR vaccine. When they learned what they would later find out, they refused to take part.

William feels:

“Deer is a joke who threw a tantrum to change chairs on his visit to us. I hold a letter from Channel 4 asking us to reconsider our dropping out. The return of our funding confirms the strength of our case. Deer insulted us at a Conference in the USA and has avoided meeting us to thrash it out.

He lacks the courage to face the people he has criticized. My wife asked him, why are you healthy, as you have not had an MMR. He clearly did not like this.”

“I am disgusted, although not surprised by this unqualified moron’s attack on a mother who works so hard to care for her two badly damaged sons. My own experience after meeting him was disappointment at his erratic behavior. Mr. Deer was made aware that our issue was not solely MMR and he said he wanted to film Jodie and help her. On arriving at our house he led me to a vehicle and let me see the Royal Free Records of the children before carrying them into our house. He insulted the Thomas family accusing them of feigning problems. He then insulted Dr. Wakefield saying he was a mummy’s boy who obeyed her every command. He wanted to film Jodie playing in her vomit at which Pat suggested, he could play in it. When filming had finished, we asked to see the article before viewing, as Deer had appeared to be more interested in insulting the Thomas Family and Dr. Wakefield and was very coy regarding the title and date of public viewing. We were unaware the MMR was the issue until we watched the video and realizing we had been tricked, we ordered him to leave. Deer took copies of papers confirming that we were not just MMR [2000] and a report confirming an unidentified problem in Jodie’s bowels.”

“I have put Brian Deer’s warning letter on Facebook.”

Message to William Marchant from Brian Deer

“Dear Mr. Marchant,

You need to be very careful about lying in a public place. You must remember that, when I came to your home, I was accompanied by four other people, who are well placed to know exactly what happened.

You were not taken to any vehicle and shown any documents, from Royal Free children (which I did not have in my possession), or anybody else. I did not ask to film anything, much less your daughter vomiting, as all filming was performed according to the directions of my producer. Indeed, there is a memo from me, complaining about the footage of your daughter vomiting, which I believed was inappropriate. I did not speak to you at any time about Ms. Thomas, suggest that Andrew Wakefield was a “mummy’s boy”, or do any of the other things you allege.

You did not ask us to leave your house, and it was at our request that we showed you an early edit of our film. It was explained to you that we could not broadcast your unsubstantiated allegations against a doctor and a nurse, whose identities you did not even reveal to us. At that point, after the involvement of a number of Wakefield’s associates, we struck you from the film upon our own decision.

I will say, however, that I did not, and do not, believe your allegations against the doctor and nurse, not least because your claim that your daughter was administered an oral vaccine with others by injection is almost impossible to be true. In hindsight, given your outrageous allegations against me, I’m now entirely satisfied that you simply made up your complaints against the health professionals, in the hope that we would broadcast them.

Why you would tell these lies is a matter for you. There can be no doubt in your own mind. However, let me be clear with you: if you cause damage to others with false allegations, you can be held accountable for that, if necessary being required to come before a judge and apologise. You may be called upon to pay all or part of the costs involved.

I will leave it at that for the moment. We treated you and your family with great compassion and care. Moreover, we have full records of what transpired.”

This video highlights some of the parents of The Lancet 12 children speaking to Brian Deer about their child’s vaccine injuries. He denies them too.

The Children Suffer The Most

How many doctors have stolen children’s futures, like Jodie’s was stolen? Jodie was just an innocent baby assaulted with vaccines. Her parents will live the rest of their lives worrying about their daughter. We owe it to Jodie to help get her justice.

It is not right many years of stalled research have occurred because researchers are afraid to touch the MMR vaccine/bowel disease/autism link. It’s the children who suffer most because of this.

Government officials have known the MMR vaccine can cause these problems but still refuse to warn parents when they tell them to go and get their child vaccinated. Documents have proven some government officials allow known harmful vaccines to remain on the market that continue to be injected into children today. This is sometimes done to save money. When did money become more important than these lives at stake from these vaccines? These are the people you trust with your children’s lives when you agree to get them vaccinated.

William stated:

“We have had our issue regarding vaccine damage examined and we have had legal funding restored by a Legal Services Commission appointed Committee. It is easy to condemn Dr. Wakefield having hidden the evidence which totally supports his findings. It is also strange that an unqualified moron is used to supply false evidence. One must assume that Brian Deer was the only choice available. The statistics of autism increase match completely with the introduction of the MMR VACCINE. Strangely, Deer actually told me that DOCTOR WAKEFIELD was correct but he was not the doctor and the timing was too early. He has also never admitted that I gave him a record of my daughter’s which totally backed the bowel problems as described by Dr. Wakefield. This diagnosis was made by Southampton General Hospital.”

“Jodie is not a pincushion to test their mixtures of vaccines. Our case makes it clear just how far some doctors will go to grab the bonuses available. They ruined our daughter to obtain a bonus, leaving our lives ruined, especially Jodie’s.”

Professor Walker-Smith eventually filed an appeal and won. At the time Jodie was being helped, it was not clear to the Marchants that a massive cover-up was taking place and the findings in Jodie and other patients would possibly damage the vaccine industry and trust in leaders for allowing this vaccine damage to perpetuate.

When the trial took place, years later after Jodie received help, the Marchants supported Walker during the trial and after he filed an appeal, which he later won. He has been fully exonerated. The work published in the study Dr. Andrew Wakefield co-authored that has been at the forefront of the anti-vaccination movement contained truthful information.

Whether you support vaccines or not, please support the right for parents to choose.

Dr. Andrew Wakefield, In His Own Words (Full Interview)

Jodie’s Older Sister Suffered Too

Jodie’s older sister Candice is devastated by what has happened. This has affected her schooling, because her parents were up with Jodie every night and many other aspects of her life. The joy of being an older sister all changed after Jodie was assaulted. Candice couldn’t do things with her younger sister that most siblings would do together.

They were also unable to go away for holiday vacations or eat out, due to Jodie’s health problems. This is why they will not walk away. Both of their children and the parents have been through so much. Through it all, they’ve stayed together and never gave up.

A Special Thanks to Two Doctors that Have Helped the Marchants So Much, Without Charge

William wrote:

“Dr. A.P. Fletcher has written many reports for us and has allowed us to phone him when we needed, to discuss any queries that we needed help on.

Dr. Carol Stott has examined Jodie and has supplied reports on Jodie’s mental problems. It is, in her opinion, that Jodie is too badly damaged to be labelled with anything.

Both have given up so much time to help us, for free. We will be forever grateful for their help.”

Babies And Children Are Routinely Given the Wrong Vaccine

From an article published in the UK DailyMail:

“Children are being given the wrong vaccinations and repeat doses of jabs they have already had due to mix-ups at GPs’ surgeries.

Nearly 1,000 safety incidents involving child immunisations were reported in a single year.

Of those studied in detail, more than a third involved babies and children given a different vaccine to the one they were supposed to have.

In 36 per cent of cases a child was given the wrong vaccination. If the sample is representative, it means that hundreds are given the wrong immunisation every year. And, as the reporting of incidents by medical professionals is voluntary, the true number could be much higher.

Campaigners have said these mistakes were the ‘tip of the iceberg’ and expressed fears of a ‘vaccine overload’ from Britain’s growing childhood immunisation schedule.” [15]

Latest Information on Their Case

The Marchants have filed suit against the doctor who signed off on the vaccines and the National Health Service (NHS). They are awaiting a final report and to have an expert in place. They are going for Assault, as five vaccines were given despite refusal and for Medical Negligence to inject them that way.

The Marchants have been dealing with this case for many years. It has been suggested this case could open the floodgates to vaccine damage cases but this does not concern them. This is also the reason this case has been ongoing for so long.

Vaccine proof is not the requirement in this case even though Jodie was tested positive twice for having the vaccine strain of measles in her blood. The criterion for their case is probabilities, as their case is for Medical Negligence and Assault. They can prove that and in the UK, permission must be given by the parents to allow any vaccines to be given.

The Legal Services Commission (LSC) department that decides on legal funding has agreed that Jodie’s chances of winning her case are 50-50. This will depend on whom the judge believes. It was their appointed committee who supported the family and understood the assault done to Jodie.

Jodie’s records clearly prove her parents only authorized for the MMR and specifically declined in writing for the DTaP and other vaccines. Limited consent, for only the MMR vaccine was given. If they had known any other vaccines were in that syringe, they would’ve walked out.

William stated:

“We need a last report that is being done and a discussion between ourselves and then action. We also have been asked by NHS to issue a letter of claim, to give them an opportunity to settle out of court. We have been told by experts that our case is totally unique and could never be researched as the subjects would not survive.

This case is not about money, this is about getting justice for what was done to our daughter. This is about an action intentionally committed that I never dreamed would happen. Dr. Fletcher believes that the case is indisputable. We took a healthy child in for her MMR AND SHE WAS GIVEN A COCKTAIL OF 8 VACCINES IN 1 SYRINGE, TOO DANGEROUS TO RESEARCH. She screamed and was disabled before leaving the surgery. He believes it is impossible for it to be anything but the action.”

Dr. Fletcher has spoken out about concerns over MMR safety:

“Dr. Fletcher said he found “this official complacency utterly inexplicable” in the light of an explosive worldwide increase in regressive autism and inflammatory bowel disease in children, which was first linked to the live measles virus in the MMR jab by clinical researcher Dr. Andrew Wakefield in 1998.” [16]

Conclusion

Jodie was harmed beyond repair when a doctor decided to allow her to be injected with an untested 8-in-1 vaccine. She survived the shot, but sadly, has lived her life in severe pain because of what was done to her. She will live the rest of her life suffering brain damage, bowel problems, seizures, not being able to communicate easily, not being able to eat properly nor take care of herself.

Many parents whose children greatly suffer and need constant care worry about their injured child’s future and what is best for them. Although the family is thankful and blessed that Jodie survived, they have deep concerns as to who will provide the kind of care she needs when they no longer can.

The Marchants have openly stated they have no doubt that their daughter Jodie was left disabled by a combination of vaccines that had never been tested for safety.  This illegal concoction was deliberately mixed in one syringe and it destroyed their daughter. They will never give up fighting to obtain justice for their daughter.

When you take your child to get vaccinated, you won’t know if your child will be given an untested experimental vaccine. Always get a copy of the medical records before you leave the appointment and save them. They can and do go missing to cover up vaccine damages. Make sure the batch number and manufacturer’s information is on it.

The Marchants are totally convinced there is a massive cover-up regarding vaccines causing damage. Officials and vaccine manufacturers don’t want the truth to come out. Jodie’s parents stated, “No child should go through what Jodie has gone through.”

Jodie held by her Mom Patricia, a few weeks before being disabled by an illegal 8-in-1, untested vaccine. Jodie does not know she is beautiful and never will know.

Jodie held by her Mom Patricia, a few weeks before being disabled by an illegal 8-in-1, untested vaccine. Jodie does not know she is beautiful and never will know.

 

References

  1. http://www.ageofautism.com/…
  2. https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/secret…
  3. http://www.conquerchiari.org/pediatric/…
  4. http://www.conquerchiari.org/…
  5. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/…
  6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Shattock
  7. http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p3085.pdf
  8. http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2020A.pdf
  9. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr11.html
  10. http://www.wellwithin1.com/…
  11. http://youtu.be/q1SbttdLgLM
  12. https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/the-yellow-card-scheme/
  13. http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/01/the-launch-of-silenced-witnesses…
  14. http://www.naturalmedicine.net.nz/product-reviews/silenced-witnesses…
  15. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1151805/…
  16. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-376203/…
Augustina Ursino
 

  • Brenda Cook

    Am I reading correctly. This article is saying the a 14 1/2 mth old said “love you ” on the way in to the Drs room?????. She’s have to be a miracle child to be speaking words like that at the very tender age?.

  • Melissa

    I have 8 children. I can’t speak for all 14 month olds, but that’s one of the very first things my children have said to us. “I wuh yew…” No miracle necessary.

  • doucyet

    Show me one child…………………just one, that lives the tortured life that this child lives, that did not receive the vaccine.

  • guest233

    Not at all..kids can say simple words at 9 months! All my daughters and grandchildren began talking very early and by a year and a half could be understood! That’s pretty average.

  • בת שבע סיידר

    Perhaps she was saying it in her own way, and many parents understand to some degree or another what their children at that age are expressing. It does not necessarily mean it was said perfectly.

  • בת שבע סיידר

    Why is it that you are more concerned with analysing the victim rather than what happened to her and how?

  • Marianne Jaedick

    Brenda, is this the only thing you have to say about this article? Never heard of that children develop in different ways? But I guess this is starting the trolls to come through putting doubts and holes into the story in order to defend the allmighty vaccine schedule. You don’t seem to have any empathy and I just feel sorry for you.

  • People’sArmy

    no, the baby has no blame, the parents took their baby to doctor who injected toxins poisons into baby. that is a fact! primary guilt parents for ignorants and doctor secondary guilt for injecting poisons into an infant under age 4!!! both parents doctor should be fined 250,000 us dollars and 48 months in a sodomy box! stop the eugenics vaccines, gmo, food, water air destruction, satan has your world fight back sinners! repent!

  • People’sArmy

    the Pennsylvania omish do not have any autism in there tribes !

  • Leigh-Jane

    To the Marchant family – Please take a look at the work of Dr Natasha Campbell-McBride, MD, Nutritionist and Neurologist. My Best Wishes to you all.

  • Thecrow

    Huh? Really? Funny since my son said his first words at eight months

  • Thecrow

    I’d be in prison if that had been my child. I would have hunted that doctor down

  • RKae

    What’s incredible is that you have internet service on that island where you live alone and there are no children or people who could tell you about children.

  • whaddyano

    My firstborn son had numerous words by 7 months. When his doctor asked if he had any ‘words’ I laughed. By 12 months he was speaking in clear and perfectly formed sentences. I did not know that this was unusual at the time. I had always spoken to him in correct sentences, as if he fully understood, which amused my friends to no end. I was stunned when friends’ babies were still not speaking fluently at age 2. My son was always considered ‘advanced’ but no one – besides me and his adoring father – suggested he was a miracle baby.

  • FreeMann9

    Here in Texas and California, there is legislation currently being introduced to remove certain provisions regarding rights to refuse vaccines for either ADULTS OR CHILDREN. The same push being financed (lobbying) by vaccine manufacturers is happening at the national level as well.
    These governments, these drug companies and their paid-for politicians really do think they own you, your children, and expect you to obey and believe you have no right to self-determination regarding what you’re put into your body at their demand.

    LET’S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

    Tell Congress to Listen to the Science on Vaccine Safety!

    https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=2091

    Lets hope they will listen to people using petitions before they have to listen to people using the Second Amendment.

  • Jhon Dough

    this is absolutely disgusting and heart breaking. people in the know that put these toxic chemicals in children should be executed, period.

  • Richard Sacks

    I have been an independent holistic health scientist for 50 years now, and can say without question that vaccines have zero redeeming qualities. In their several hundred year history, they have never prevented even one disease, but have started and spread many epidemics. They are a weapon, pure and simple. There are also natural means that in some cases may be able to reverse vaccine damage by removing toxic chemicals from the body and replacing them with certain live food nutrition. Real health information is kept away from the public. If it ever got out widely, it would destroy most of the medical industry and really irritate those running the extermination agenda, who control government. The most disastrous thing that could possibly happen to the “health care” industry is health – it would destroy the whole game and stop the income to the system, but the means to get it are still there, even though suppressed. Thanks for your work to expose vaccines as a fraud. There are no pros and cons to consider, vaccines are a weapon, not a preventive treatment.
    Richard Sacks, holistic health scientist/consultant
    [email protected]
    http://www.lostartsresearchinstitute.com

  • M&S

    I do not believe in conspiracies, I believe in human errors and misconduct. Vaccines are a huge mistake, there must be (and is) a better way.

  • doucyet

    What a great case in point for not vaccinating…………..

  • hostage707

    Considering it took how many years to litigate “cigarettes cause cancer” issue lies being told to the public from the news media, and the pro tobacco doctors that testified to congress… … They will do their best to keep killing and maiming kids as long as there is profit in it… The Zombie Apocalypse is here folks. They are laughing at you with it.

  • sarz

    My daughter who is now 19 had a similar experience with MMR vaccination. She is much improved now and doing well in college. Hope these parents have been doing what they can to get the mercury out. Please look up the work of Dr Dietrich Klinghardt for guidance if you have a similar problem. There is much you can do.

  • Cynthia Kusba

    I have a daughter soon to be 19 years old. She too had a reaction to the MMR and bowel disorders. I filed with the FDA and they sent me two letters a few weeks later. The first one clearly states in a non communicable amount of children the “MMR CAUSES AUTISM”. The second letter was a request sheet for my daughter to be placed in a 10 year study. The FDA and CDC knew years ago the MMR caused damaging results in children, But did NOTHING. Also, VAERS the vaccine injury reporting conveniently lost my daughter report for a lawsuit.

  • MissEcoGlam

    Well done to the author of this article – amazing work. I wish the family had a Gofund me campaign I’d love to donate to help them bring the ppl involved to get what they deserve

  • Vaccines are an advanced bio-weapon, for the satanic ethos of EUGENICS. This is all apart of the depopulation agenda. GMO’s, Fluoride, HFCS, Chemtrail “agents”, ad naseum are all designed to eradicate all the “useless eaters.”

    War is coming, please prepare, because THEY already are!

  • Julie Sandefer

    Hidden in that lengthy article is a statement that Jodie has a mitochondriall disease. Mitochondrial disease is “an inherited chronic illness that can be present at birth or develop later in life. It causes debilitating physical, developmental, and cognitive disabilities with symptoms including poor growth; loss of muscle coordination; muscle weakness and pain; seizures; vision and/or hearing loss; gastrointestinal issues; learning disabilities; and organ failure. It’s progressive and there is no cure.” Instead of blaming vaccines, it appears that an unfortunate inherited condition is the cause of this poor child’s symptoms.

  • Julie, according to your “theory” please explain the “sudden” onset. Much appreciated. Thanks.

  • Julie Sandefer

    Jeffry, mitochondrial disease can exhibit at birth or develop later, thus she appeared normal for her initial months of life. I think the initial symptoms presented around the time of her vaccine. That does not mean the vaccine was causative. The timing was incidental. Her symptoms of seizures, gastrointestinal issues, and cognitive/developmental delays are explained by mitochondrial disease. And it’s not my “theory.” The article stated she has a mitochondrial disorder.

  • Another amazing coincidence, I’m sure.

  • Randah Arena

    I cannot imagine. That poor girl and her poor parents. How long can this continue? So many parents with the same story! #CDCwhistleblower #hearthiswell

  • Josie

    Please tell me you’re not this stupid. My kids could say that because that’s what I told them from when they were in the womb…and continued telling them that from birth on. My kids spoke that before saying momma or daddy……geesh lady. You apparently have no kids!

  • t. Belardes

    -and that “inherited chronic illness” just happened to “switch on” moments after being injected with that vaccination. You know what? That can’t even be considered a vaccination. It was vial of deadly poison.

    Please, Julie Sandefer, if you enjoy writing fantasy, please peddler it somewhere where your audience I.Q. matches your storytelling ability.

  • Patrick Adrien Varencaus

    Damned hypocrites $$$$$ parasites,you are of your father the devil

  • Julie Sandefer

    Wow, t. Belardes. That was a rather hostile and rabid response. I have no agenda or horse in this race. I simply read the article and stated the obvious. I do think many people whose children develop autism or other health issues are looking for a cause where they can lay the blame (and in some cases collect lawsuit dollars.) I am entitled to my opinion and to express it as well. I’ve done so, so I am out of this discussion. I prefer to communicate with posters who are logical and rational without agendas.

  • guest

    Amazing how so many people on the last two articles on this blog have presented the same rationale for the vaccine damage a child has experienced. Makes one think that there is a playbook to formulate a comment from. Oh no, say its not so!

  • Julie Sandefer

    I’ve never even read this blog before being directed here from another site today. Vaccines are not one of the issues I keep up with. Thinking there is a “playbook to formulate a comment from” sounds paranoid. Maybe some of us who don’t have a preformed opinion or hidden agenda can just see through the BS with common sense. Educate yourself on mitochondrial disorders.

  • MacFly1

    I’d bet the idiot lefties in the “vaccine room” did that to her on purpose as she was a “refuser.”

  • Free People

    Of course, that’s all you got out of it – Troll!

  • Free People

    There certainly is a ‘playbook’ called scripted big pHARMafia – $$$

  • Free People

    Busted – TROLL!

  • Julie Sandefer

    I’m no troll. Is that your standard response to everyone who has a different opinion than your own? Personal attacks? Can you not simply address the mitochondrial disorder which the article states she has?

  • annie

    Her parents should give their heads a shake.
    Putting a t-shirt on your kid that says “Damaged” – I don’t care the reason, tells your kid that they are less.
    You don’t put a t-shirt on your kid that says “Down Syndrome DAMAGED” or ” Motor vehicle accident DAMAGED.”
    What a way to break a child’s self esteem.
    How often does that child get paraded in front of media, and hears that she is “damaged”?
    Whatever happened to this child is terribly sad.
    But for the parents to do this is injuring this child all over again.

  • Sharknado

    Liberals destroy everything they touch…a plague on civilized society.

  • Free People

    Thank you Augustina and VacTruth for bringing this story to the light considering the mandates on vaccination we in the US are about to experience shortly, to include adults. It’s not enough for VaxINC to destroy the children with their mandated schedules, but the adults will now have to undergo the same. It’s in the Obama$care ‘law’, saw it all on Infowars – David Knight video showing the highlighted pages where it’s coming down the pike for adults.
    http://www.infowars.com/the-man-who-gave-vaccine-companies-a-free-pass-revealed/

    Heart wrenching story how such a beautiful, healthy child, now beautiful but destroyed young lady has had to live the majority of her life in so much pain, suffering and agony, while surviving this onslaught by the diabolical VAXINC money grubbers. Jodie is truly a miracle child.

    May the EVIL GP who fraudulently signed for the poisons and who deliberately disappeared Jodie’s records ROT in prison or better yet – execute her!

  • dianedraytonbuckland

    Vaccine Epidemic – How Corporate Greed, Biased Science and Coercive Government Threaten Our Human Rights, Our Health and our Children

    About the Authors

    Louise Kuo Habakus is the Executive Director and co-founder of the Center for Personal Rights. She is also the Executive Director of the Freedom of Health Foundation. Louise was a managing director for Putnam Investments, a corporate vice president for Prudential Financial, and a consultant with Bain & Company. She graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Stanford University, where she also received a graduate degree in international policy studies. In her advocacy work, she lectures and writes frequently and has appeared in numerous media outlets, including ABC World News Tonight, Fox & Friends, and the New York Times.

    Mary Holland is a research scholar at NYU School of Law. She has written and edited books and articles on human rights and law. She has clerked for a federal judge, worked at the Lawyers Committee for Human Rights, and at prominent U.S. law firms. She has testified before Congress, filed amicus briefs, and appeared on Court TV, Fox, CBS, and NBC. She graduated from Harvard College and holds graduate degrees from Columbia University. She is a board member of the Elizabeth Birt Center for Autism Law and Advocacy.

    Center for Personal Rights (CPR) is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to preserving and defending the human right to vaccination choice.

    http://www.vaccineepidemic.com/

  • Sue

    Oh Annie are you for real.. the only thing you have to say is to run down the parents.. You think it is not good for the public to know what has happened to this poor poor young lady…..Every time I read your posts I shake my head and think WOW.. surely this woman has more compassion than this.. I think the child’s self esteem has been effected through the criminal action of vaccine damage.. not by the wonderful parents who take care and love her…. Stated by you…Injuring the child all over again (What a terrible terrible thing to say)… I think it is more like they are trying to save another family form such devastation.. and i am sure this young lass wants people to know how her full life has been taken away from her…If you really think what happened to this child is terrible don’t be so nasty to her wonderful parents…..

  • Sue

    Oh Julie Sandefer.. you are such a bright spark and of course you know it all…Ho do you sleep at night ..

  • Sue

    http://www.boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/?AFFID=199360

    Re movie BOUGHT…. Fantastic move.. for all you Pros out there b4 you start ditching it I am not interested in your venom anymore.. this is for the families parents.. individuals who want to have more knowledge.. knowledge is power..we need to save our future children.. MOTHER NATURE is an amazing thing.. VACCINES are out of control… your choice NOT THE GOVERNMENT or BIG Pharma to vaccinate or not vaccinate.. America is the only country in the world who is doing what they are doing.. and the only country in the world that does not state on food packaging what is in the food you buy/eat..and GMO is just down right dangerous to our planet and everything on it……. …… watch it .. get the whole move is is an eye opener..

  • annie

    *waves*
    Hey Sue, good to see you are following me again.

    I never said the parents didn’t love their girl – they do. That is obvious.

    Nasty? No. You can disagree with me – I am ok with that.
    But, I stand by what I said. Labelling a child as “damaged” is harmful.

    I didn’t discount that this family and this child are in a very sad situation – they are.
    And, if they can prove that what they say happened, did happen, good – they should get millions, and lots of people should lose their jobs.

    What I disagree with is putting a t-shirt on your kid that says “damaged.” Whether you disagree with that or not is irrelevant to me.

  • Julie

    Sue, so to your way of thinking, a genetic disease that causes the EXACT same symptoms this girl suffers from should be forgotten, overlooked, and everything just blamed on vaccines? This defies logic. And I sleep very well at night, thank you. Just for the record I’ve never commented on a vaccine blog or article before in my life. I don’t even care about this issue. I think the science shows vaccines are overwhelming safe and have prevented untold disease and death. And frankly, I also think you are a stupid woman.

  • A few extra facts, arising from Jodie’s records, supplied to my Channel 4 TV team by Bill Marchant.

    (a) In rejecting a claim, the vaccine damage compensation tribunal noted (among much else unhelpful to Mr Marchant) medical records indicating Mr Marchant’s concern about Jodie’s development before her vaccination.

    (b) Two separate PCR runs by the Unigenetics company in Dublin, funded by the Legal Aid Board and in which Andrew Wakefield was a director, reported Jodie’s blood to be negative for measles virus.

    (c) Andrew Wakefield then wrote to the Marchants stating that the PCR tests were indeterminate.

    (d) A consultant gastroenterologist in Southampton wrote to the Marchants explaining that, in his view, Jodie did not have inflammatory bowel disease, but suffered from severe constipation.

    The tragedy of severe developmental disorders must sometimes seem unbearable for parents. Nobody could be without compassion for Jodie. But such disorders have been a bain to humanity for as long as history speaks to us. Why you should simply copy out (complete with allegations of death threats) what you are told by highly-motivated individuals, and then represent them as established fact, does you no credit, and will unquestionably not help Jodie.

  • Sue

    annie….My concern about people like you is denial.. people like you that can read something so sad and always find something nasty to say.. get the bigger picture here .. it is not about what you think.. and believe me I am not following YOU..Heaven forbid.. I am supporting this poor family .. it maybe just by showing support in being kind. …. but if you had a heart and you thought that maybe just maybe this family read your post then what does that make u…..And to try and point out how this sad family are causing harm to their child is shocking.. What causes harm to children is vaccine damage…. not a Tshirt …and what causes harm to a child is seeing her parents attacked.. But you always find the worst in everything I see you post.. I know what people think is irrelevant to you.. that shows every time your fingers start typing….

  • Caribbean Critic

    If this happens to any of my grand kids there will be dead doctors littering the streets of Britain!

  • Sue

    Julie.. I think Free People is saying you are a Troll .. well my thoughts anyway.. Why post on a site you do not agree with.. It seems to me.. and I am not from the States.. but there is a terrible friction between pros and people who just want answers… who just want choice for what goes in their bodies….. FREE CHOICE.. they are not asking you to stop vaccinating your children…they just want to choose what they have in their bodies.. .. I always believed America had freedom.. But you are not free far from it..It is big business in your country that controls your choice.. You may put on here your technical terms and to try and belittle this family.. so I guess when others post they think you are a troll I understand why they are saying this.. If you are not prove who you are???? Typical response is personal attacks MMmmm.. and yes i guess they feel you are being personal against this family…AND YOU ARE.. Do you really think this family does not know the cause.. You insult this family by basically saying they do not……. This poor family is trying to help others not have this devastation…. what are you trying to do????

  • Free People

    Yes you are. Clearly you specifically came to this article to post the only 5 comments you have on record, just to deliberately confuse the readers using the same frankenscientific rubbish you all do.

    Look it up yourself since it’s the ONLY minutia you got out of the article. Trivial considering the criminality, evil intent, destruction of evidence, cover up of deliberate intent to harm this entire family has suffered from the trillion dollar racketeering vaccine and medio-mafia EVIL cartel busine$$. The evidence is clear. Lend yourself or your child to the vaccine EXPERIMENT and this is what you can expect.

  • thewildeman2

    Bought is entirely based on misinformation skewed for anti-vax agenda.

  • thewildeman2

    The denial is on the other foot lady. And clearly you have comprehension problems. Her comment is about labeling a child as damaged. You are avoiding that in her comment so you can lecture on the pure anti-science you believe in. You clearly have a bug up your rear on her posts. Are you stalking her?

  • guest

    Anyone trolling various vaccine website looking for their name so they can defend any comment about them must be feeling pretty desperate.

    Karma: serving up justice one a-hole at a time.

  • guest

    Troll

  • Sue

    Free People as I have stated in the past I am not from America.. But am as concerned as so many Americans that forcing something to put all these chemicals in their bodies w is against the constitution of America..I certainly do not want this behavior travelling to other countries. So I hear you believe me..Freedmen of Choice is so important.. cradle to the grave vaccines is criminal..

  • thewildeman2

    Those who rave the most (you) are usually the real trolls. What’s really criminal is using their story for anti-vax agenda when there is no solid proof. Yes, loss of records is questionable, but not proof. This will be a long long court case because of all the junk that has to be weeded out to get to anything remotely looking like facts.

  • thewildeman2

    Name calling hypocrite? Yep.

  • Sue

    Ha ha yes typical the word paranoia… that is what the pro group use all the time…. can you please get a another line…..

  • Sue

    Oh please Julie… stating ” Vaccines are not one of the issues I keep up with” Get real.. do you really think that we do not know what your issues are and what you are trying to do….?????@!##$#@! Is this annie???

  • Sue

    Oh what was that you said …. Just for the record you have not commented on this site B4.. Oh get off the grass… and then next breath you say Vaccines overwhelming safe and have prevented untold disease and death… but you do not even care about this issues.. OMG do you think I was born yesterday… I do not sleep well worrying about our babies.. on glad you sleep well……

  • Sue

    Bye bye Julie……

  • You Mr Deer, in that well known video, certainly appear to be a very misguided and misdirected fool. This issue of vaccine injury and as well resulting autism that is gut digestive track related, is vertainly a reality for thousands of existing children, individuals, and families. The load of existing studies as well all to certainly point directly to that. It is no longer about only Dr Wakefield, and nor is it about any one single family and their child, and nor is about a single article like this and arguing its accuracy. This is about a system of it having gone on to long the complete denial and cover-up of the massive level of harm to children that the MMR vaccine has done. Think of the massive level of liability that would and should exist for the harm that has taken place, had this situation ever been admitted to. The entire situation with promoting vaccines would as well its walls and foundations crumble instantly, and as well would all of their falsely acquired and assumed credibility. http://www.vacfacts.info

  • Julie

    I am who I say I am. I came here by way of Steve Quayle who posted a link on his website to Jodie’s story. I read the article and when I saw that Jodie had been diagnosed with a mitochondrial disorder then her symptoms all made sense to me. I posted innocently trying to be helpful. But it’s so plainly evident that all of you “anti-faxers” (a new term for me) have no respect for reality or the truth, and wish only to attack people who don’t share your delusional agenda.

  • sabelmouse

    maybe that would make them think. so far they do get away with murder.

  • Sue

    Oh of course it is thewildman2.. Of course it is.. and you are saying to guest he is name calling and a hypocrite.. yet you are saying all these people on BOUGHT are lying…. with no proof….Is that what the PRO’s do.. let people make their own decisions.. people are looking for answers.. not asking you to do what they want to do.. vaccinate dont vaccinate but dont force others……. let everyone make their own choices to vaccinate of not vaccinate.. and let them know what is in their food.. the only country in the western world who does not let people know what they are eating.. this should be in law.. everyone should be able to read on the packet what they are eating or know if their veggies are GMO etc erc……GMO suppose this is not true either…. Mother nature has been around for a very long time.. But hey lets listen to thewildman2…HELLO.

  • Sue

    This will be a long long court case… cause America is the only country ion the world that you can not sue the pharmaceutical companies… what is that about….This is something I am letting everyone know in my part of the work…Shocking shocking.. if they have nothing to hide they should say bring it on.. but they use people like you to discredited sites.. shame on you thewildeman2
    Everyone watch BOUGHT and make up your own minds.. freedom……

  • Free People

    ” What causes harm to children is vaccine damage”.. Agree 100% and until the brainwashed people wake up to this criminal EXPERIMENT, it will continue.

  • guest

    How does it feel being part of a mafia style organization that earns profits from stepping on the back of damaged and dead children? You like that crunchy feeling when you step on their spines. Kinda like the Zombies in those Living Dead movies. Tell us, do you take your shoes off so you can feel the blood squish between your toes? Or are you so busy stomping that you don’t take the time to relish the moment?

  • guest

    You should do some research on “Open Secrets”. Vaccine Zealots are an equal opportunity bunch getting funding for campaigns for every political group that exists.

  • thewildeman2

    Shame on yourself for believing misinformation and not paying attention to what you read. You actually CAN sue the companies here if certain criteria are met. There’s a reason for that. It’s to protect the system and therefore taxpayers from frivolous lawsuits by people who want to blame every hiccup on vaccines. I’ve actually read someones comments where they blamed demonic possession. There’s clearly no limit on how far over the rainbow you people will go.

  • Julie

    When I do have trouble sleeping it is due worrying about the stupidity in the world. You say you worry about “our babies.” Have you lost one iota of sleep worrying about the measles outbreak in the U.S. due to not only (illegal) immigration but also due to unvaccinated humans? Have you worried about the health of those babies with measles?

  • thewildeman2

    If I put in the time it would take to disprove every lie you currently believe, it would take me considerable time out of my day and you wouldn’t read one word of it. The proof is there, but from past experience I know you’ll just plug your ears, close your eyes, and sing the la la song. I know better when it comes to dealing with anti-vaxxers who can only shout “troll” when someone points out the obvious.

  • Brenda Cook

    gosh, anti-science you say??. Have a look at THIS science. An in-depth study done in Poland. http://www.rescuepost.com/files/prog-health-sci-2012-vol-2-no1-neurologic-adverse-events-vaccination.pdf

  • sabelmouse

    i guess great as those doing it probs have a shortage of empathy and a surplus of egotism.
    unless they are people in real dire straights who probs feel bad.

  • Brenda Cook

    Yes, and that is why children should be tested BEFORE vaccinations (if they choose to vax) so as to lessen the chance of damage. I had no idea that we have an auto-immune gene in the family until a family member became chronically ill. This gene (HLA B27) can be sparked off by vaccines. It is dangerous game of russian roulette to appy a one-size-fits-all approach with vaccines when no one knows whats in their blood line.

  • Brenda Cook

    Gosh, have you heard of the Hannah Poling case?.

  • Free People

    “I think the initial symptoms presented around the time of her vaccine.” and WhoTF are you except a paid copy/paste shill of the big pHARMafia Troll Brigade. You don’t ‘think’ because you don’t have that capability.

    Trolling for pennies – I know your ‘bonus’ depends on replies – got that info from Shank the shill. No more pennies for you nor your side-kicks ‘thewildman2’, ‘Mike’, and I’m sure more to come. Desperate indu$try is running out of time and they’re doing it to themselves – waking up the people by causing harms to ALL with their diabolical poison needles.

  • Brenda Cook

    http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2010/09/family-win-15-million-in-autis.htmlAs New Scientist reported in 2008,
    it’s possible that Hannah’s mitochondria may not have been working
    properly anyway, with potential underlying damage to her most
    energy-hungry tissues in the brain and muscles.

    Officials at the US Department of Health and Human Services
    investigating Hannah’s medical history said that vaccines had
    “significantly aggravated an underlying mitochondrial disorder, which
    predisposed her to deficits in energy metabolism”, causing damage “with
    features of autism spectrum disorder”. The officials said that the
    vaccine didn’t “cause” her autism, but “resulted” in it.

  • Brenda Cook
  • Julie

    If the anti-vaxers would simply read about mitochondrial disease they would understand that this child never had a chance, vaccine or no vaccine. Her destiny was written in her DNA. Tremendously unfair for all concerned. But life is not fair. Her parents have been on a wild goose chase instead of accepting that their precious child has a devastating genetic disease.

  • Julie

    And you Free People are a rambling, paranoid, delusional nutcase. I wish I HAD been paid by Big Pharma for my comments! No, my comments were inspired by my ability to independently think and communicate and with God-given common sense to see bull and call people out on it.

  • guest

    9 comments? Yes, you are a troll who specifically signed up to comment on this thread at the behest of your handler.

  • Sue

    Oh really protect tax payer because why… BECAUSE you are the only country in the WORLD who protects the pharmaceutical companies.. and makes the tax payer foot the bill..Not BIG Pharma who makes literally billions and billions of $$$$$’s .. Do you not think the TAX payers are paying out for all the vaccines damaged children/people you know they are…..Do not try and put on me and other people who just want answers and just want freedom of choice in your sad categories …. demonic possession is that all you have .. I have never suggest that…. never.. you wally…..What you need to do is go into the lives of families that have vaccine damaged children see for yourself what the consequences are.. How do you sleep at night wanting to take away peoples freedom of choices…..

  • Free People

    Agree 100% “so far they do get away with murder” – especially in the USA where VAXINC has legal protection from the despicable government since 1986. These quacks can do whatever they please with their diabolical vaccine$$$. Judging from this story, looks like UK isn’t far behind though.

  • Sue

    Oh really Julie that old bull.. what and 100 and something cases…. out of how many millions and millions of Americans.. and now the thought is it was from a vaccinated person…. one day if the pharmaceutical companies have their way a runny nose will have a vaccine to prevent it…I have a life time immunity from measles as I had maesles as a child… lucky me and I gave those antibodies to my children.. lucky them…. one case of measles is diagnosed to 7000 cases of autism diagnosed and this is going up.. I thought you were leaving this site.. Mmmme i am begging to believe as the others are stating your are a troll…..I thought I already said GOODBYE..

  • Julie

    And who the heck are you, Mr. “Guest?” Just because I rarely comment via disquis doesn’t mean that I’m a troll. I’m only a troll to you because I am a voice a reason and have no anti-vaccine agenda and call you out on your BS.

  • Sue

    You thewildeman2 can shout from the treetops about anti vaxxers.. but the truth is and i am sure others will agree.. I am all for choice do you not get it.. if you wish to vaccinate go ahead.. just dont force others to believe me.. or agree with me.. if People want to question let them… dont bully them because they do not agree with you.. DO YOU NOT GET IT.. You are playing with peoples civil rights….

  • Julie

    You don’t tell me when to leave. I choose when I leave.

  • Julie

    Well, at least you, Brenda Cook, are reasonable. That is an intriguing theory. I do like scientific articles that are unbiased. Thanks for providing the information.

  • Free People

    The Franken$cienti$t$ have been working on the Human Genome Project since 2000, and much to their chagrin, could NOT PROVE their MYTHICAL theory of ‘genetics’ which ALL quack doctors love to blame when children come back with vaccine damage. Big FAIL for frankenscience. Everything is now ‘genetic’ – sure blame it on the parent’s defective genes, not their Holy Cash Cow vaccine$$$. What a SCAM.

    Common sense is so rare these days it should be classified as a super power.

    Genetic Inheritance Theory Shattered!

    http://www.naturalnews.com/042260_genetics_myths_Human_Genome_Project_morphic_resonance.html

  • Sue

    Julie honey … I never told you to leave..lol.. I just said .. I thought you were leaving this site as you stated in one of your posts… stay leave Julie honey I do not give a damn.. as I believe in freedom of choice.. But you on the other had do you truly believe in freedom of choice?????

  • Sue

    Monsanto already dominates America’s food chain with its genetically modified seeds. Now it has targeted milk production. Just as frightening as the corporation’s tactics–ruthless legal battles against small farmers–is its decades-long history of toxic contamination.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/05/monsanto200805

  • guest

    The Pinto suffered from a design flaw related to positioning of the
    its fuel tank. It was located between the rear axle and the rear bumper,
    and in a crash was suspectiable to exploding.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration was investigating
    complaints about the car as early as 1974 but didn’t act until the media became involved and wrote an article stating that Ford was aware of the design flaw but refused to pay for a redesign, and decided it would be cheaper to pay off possible lawsuits. Mother Jones (when it did some real reporting) obtained a cost-benefit analysis that stated Ford had used to compare the cost of inserting a barrier with a flexible yet sturdier panel that would absorb impacts from the rear-about $11 per car, against the cost of settlements for deaths, injuries, and vehicle burnouts. So some people lost their lives because the cost of a design update/correction would cost $11per car. The point is they knew about the problem and the NTA involvement resulted in a change.

    -Here’s what’s so outrageous about the GM debacle: http://money (dot) cnn.com/2014/07/16/news/companies/gm-senate-hearing/index.html.

    It is the fourth time she’s been called to Capitol Hill to explain
    why GM waited a decade to recall vehicles with a defective ignition
    switch now tied to at least 13 deaths.
    Politicians are outraged. Criminal prosecutors are investigating. And GM (GM) has endured a steady stream of negative press coverage.

    ********But GM’s customers don’t seem very angry. In fact, GM’s June sales were the strongest the company has posted for the month since 2007. But, the investigation went on.

    GM could have issued a recall years before it did. GM waited more than 11 years after it learned of the ignition switch problem before it issued the first recall, according to the automaker’s internal report.

    Ford was aware of the gas tank problem but REFUSED to correct it. GM was aware of the ignition problem but ignored it. Not to mention the recent seatbelt design flaw that the CEO of GM was hauled in front of congress to explain. Both were investigated by government agencies and had to pay significant fines and were open to lawsuits by consumers who purchased their products.

    Both are corporations that produced a product to sell to the consumers that had flaws that they were aware could put people at risk yet they chose profit over people.

    M.D. has been know by the Vaccine makers and CDC for decades. The CDC has acknowledged 2 children in 50 are affected by it. Maybe more considering the poor state of health of children in America today with 1 child in 6 being chronically ill. A test to assess a child’s vulnerability to vaccines could have been developed decades ago but it wasn’t because:

    -children being tested would send the wrong message that has been carefully crafted when the polio vaccine was created-vaccines are safe and effective and every child should be vaccinated.

    -development of a test would cut into vaccine industry profits which they have paid a lot of money to politicians, corporations and the CDC & FDA immunization committes to obtain for them. This falls along the same lines as to why the vaccine makers will not separate combo shots-profit.

    -creation of a test would invoke parents, researchers and scientist of good conscious to ask why the health of some children is so poor that they can’t withstand a vaccine. They may began to investigate.

    -if testing concluded that a significant number of children cannot be vaccinated the obvious question is-are the parents also M.D.? What about extended family members? If there is a genetic component that could means millions being medical excused from vaccination. Profits.

    -If a test was developed to assess children for M.D., that test would also have to be made available to children in other countries. After all that would be the moral and ethical thing to do. If a significant number of children are shown to also be M.D. that would also be a big dent in their profit margin. They can sue vaccine makers in other countries.

    -The ethical thing would also be to make that test available for children in third world countries. That would be the ultimate horror. Agenda 21 would go right down the drain.

    When any other corporations products was shown to have flaws and the companies knew about it but chose the cousciousless route to ignore them for whatever reason, they were investigated and changes were made, they were held accountable and lawsuits followed. The Vaccine makers, CDC and FDA know and knew decades ago that M.D. was real and their drugs could have an adverse affect on children who were injected with them yet they chose to ignore the problem and continue to cause harm to children around the world. The fact that Jodie had undiagnosed M.D. is not an excuse or rationale for others to state that this was the catalyst to her permanent brain damage-especially since the drug companies were well aware that this condition occurs in 2 out of 50 children but because of first cost-benefit analysis showed it was cheaper to pay lawsuits up until 2002 and once that blanket liability kicked in there was no need to develop a test because vaccine makers couldn’t be sued.

    An assessment test for M.D. will never be developed because it would be potential ammunition for lawsuits against the vaccine makers. They will never take the chance of allowing data to be complied where at some point in the future they may run across a champion for the people such as an elected representative, judge or lawyer who may be persuasive enough to show complicity to the point that the ruling from the court may be overturned.

  • Ben William

    This vaccine poison case would NEVER have seen a ‘real’ court of law in front of a jury, had it happened in USA. And, It does happen in USA all the time. NOW, the lunatics who give vaccine corporations ‘EXEMPTIONS’ want USA (even adults) ‘FORCED’ injections with hundreds of new vaccines coming to an arm near you.

    When will people finally stand up to this horse manure?

  • Sue

    Land of thr free eh…. http://www.vidics.eu/watch/111001/The-Twilight-Saga–Breaking-Dawn—Part-2-2012.html

    Why Liberal Americans Are Turning Against GMO Labeling
    Europeans and many other countries that consider themselves “liberal minded” scratch their heads over why there is such a big controversy in the United States over the labeling of foods that contain genetically modified ingredients. Sixty-four nations around the world have enacted mandatory labeling laws.

    “GM foods are not proven safe. Why not just label them and let the consumer decide?” is a common thread on food blogs. “They must be kowtowing to the GMO lobby.”

    I am so glad to be from one country and live i another that it is law food labeling. It is time to listen to the American People not BIG BUSINESS…….

    http://www.justlabelit.org/right-to-know-center/labeling-around-the-world/

    http://www.labelgmos.org/the_science_genetically_modified_foods_gmo

  • Free People

    USA is the most vaccinated country in the world and it’s increasing due to the Blanket Legal Immunity to ALL lawsuits awarded to the criminal Vaccine Indu$try, and medico-mafia JABBER$ since 1986.

    Does it make any COMMON SENSE to take such a defective product when the government says “You canNOT sue the manufacturers or jabbers even if it kills you or your children or destroys your good health” and in the same breath states “but you MUST be INJECTED because government said so”.

    Common sense is so rare these days it should be classified as a super power.

  • Ben William

    Why is Brian Deer NOT in shackles after the court findings in the Smith trial? People in the UK should have hit the streets in droves demanding his head after that trial.

  • thewildeman2

    Because the freedom to share measles is very important. Sure.

  • Sue

    Yes I feels sorry the American people.This is just shocking taking away peoples freedom of choice….

  • thewildeman2

    Look at you blather on. I’m not under any requirement to give you more examples than I already have. If you had half the logical function you claim, you could get past all this. But no, you’re part of the cult that loves their diseases and will cling to any false argument possible to make sure they all come back. You see your comment there? It proves you don’t know what you are talking about. Now that’s ignorance. So keep on being an ignorant cultist. Fits you well. I will continue to talk against people like you because people like you are getting people killed.

  • thewildeman2

    Gosh, is it just like this one?

  • Free People

    Right. Never mind the deliberate criminality this innocent child and her parents have lived through, just worry about a silly T-shirt. Mind boggling.

  • Sue

    You bet it is.. share measles mumps chickenpox.. and give our children life time immunity not autism. As Mother nature designed….Not Frankenstein science.. This is 2015 and the pharmaceutical Companies can not even deal with cancer which has risen astronomically.. more people are getting sick than ever…. which adds to the BIG Pharma Prophets… Cradle to The Grave that is what they want….You vaccinate your family and leave ours alone.. you have unhealthy children and grandchildren and generations to come.. and leave our future generations alone… FREEDOM OF CHOiCE….

  • Sue

    Ha ha.. more personal attacks..Oh I am now part of a cult.. we dont have that many cults in my part of the world…I am not getting people killed but well I wont be so rude to say the same back.. i am not talking anyone into anything .. just want people the freedom to choose.. are you really reading what I am saying… FREE WILL>>> FREE CHOICE… You live with autism and see how you like it….

  • annie

    Are you still talking? Bless your heart.

  • Sue

    Oh thank you annie what a nice thing to say.. bless your little cotton socks….

  • annie

    Good to see you completely ignored that part of my posts.
    Good to see you can’t tell the difference between things you can control and things you can’t.
    Good to see you can’t see the point was about labelling people.
    But carry on.

  • thewildeman2

    I do live with autism. I have autism. My son has autism. Thanks for being yet another person who links autism is a fate worse than death all because you want the right to choose to share diseases that can do far worse. Do you like toenails? Because you just put your foot in your mouth.

  • thewildeman2

    Thanks for proving that you are severely mentally ill. Immunocompromised kids don’t want to share diseases with you. Your supposed rights end where other peoples health gets infringed. While you personally aren’t killing anyone with your faulty belief, there are victims attributed to those beliefs. Keep on talking, you’re proving me right with every response you make.

  • Sue

    Oh I do not think so.. my friend.. you must have mild autism.. because my son is severely autistic my friend.. so no foot in my mouth matie… My son needs 24 hour care.. he was fine until he was vaccinated… so I will repeat know foot in my mouth matie……………………..I could only dream that my son could live independently.. like you.. could read and write like you could have choices like you.’…But NO he does not have a good life BELIEVE ME.. He lives in a world where he cant’ communicate what he wants.where he is so frustrated.. . I love him so so much and will always be there for him.. but I will also try and make it possible for others to make informed choices not be told what cocktails to put in their bodies.. Freedom of Choice…..

  • Sue

    OMG thewildman2 are you kidding me.. I have heard it all from the pros… it is called not listening to anyone else.. FREEDOM OF CHOICE…..If you truly think my talking is proving you right.. that is how easy the Pharmaceutical Companies get ya my freind.. Or do you work for them… MMmm me does think he protests to much….

  • Julie

    Not when your freedom of choice endangers the health and lives of those around you.

  • Sue

    Oh Julie Julie Julie.. get a grip…. 1 case of measles diagnosed to 7000 cases of autism.. who’s lives are being put in danger Julie Julie Julie..Who do you work for Julie… BIG Pharma?????

  • Julie

    LOL! I only wish I did receive a paycheck from Big Pharma! On the other hand, it seems like anti-Vaxers like yourself are looking for a Big Payout from Big Pharma via an unjust lawsuit. Face it. Kids are born with autism and MR and developmental delays and genetic imperfections and a whole host of health issues. To lay this all at the feet of vaccines and to blame Big Pharma for an imperfect kid defies all reason.

  • Sue

    YOu bet I lay it squarely at their feet.. if they are ot to blame why can not American People sue the Pharmaceutical Companies.. the only country in the world.. to do this…

    Julie, Julie, Julie, do
    ya love vacs?

    Julie, Julie,
    Julie, do ya care?

    Julie, Julie, are
    ya thinking’ of vacs?

    Julie, Julie, will
    ya EVER care.?

  • Julie

    Cute little jingle. And to answer your question, yes I care. About the truth. About scientific facts. And about the prevention of disease.

  • thewildeman2

    Now you’re being smug. No. Freedom of choice has been abused and it ends when it affects the health of others. Too bad you’re too selfish to grasp that. Keep on laughing at me, you prove what kind of person you really are.

  • thewildeman2

    And did you report it? Did you get evidence, or are you just going to say you know what you saw even though you probably aren’t a doctor yourself? I don’t care what level I am at. You and your side make it a blanket statement and come across so offensive that I don’t know you really expect any other response. If your son has “autism” it wasn’t from a vaccine. So is that why your lecturing people and acting holier than thou? Because you think being a parent of a special needs child gives you a phd?

  • Sue

    Well if you care about the truth so much find out the truth….. stop listning to the BIG Pharma Companies and stop the cradle to the grave mentality…. and help your people to get healthier prevention is better than cure.. eat healthy get naturally immunity not a cocktail of poison that they are putting in our babies.. Look in your heart and find out the truth.. it is not to late to FIND OUT THE TRUTH….Our future generations are important and depend on us…. and people on this planet are getting sicker.. Cradle to The Grave.. that is what the pharmaceutical companies want…..They do not want healthy people there is NO MONEY IN IT……. Let people be free to choose what goes into there bodies… Babies having Hep B Vac what the hell for …. For goodness sake..

  • Sue

    Do you not get it you moron.. For goodness sake.. I care about others I care.. And I care about freedom of choice… FREEDOM ..Me and my side There should be no sides.. just freedom of choice…… do you really think that if you try and make me the enemy people are going to look at you and say you are an expert.. Having a disability does not make you an expert.. matie potati…. Lol Unbelievable…

  • thewildeman2

    Now I’m a moron. So you can spout names and also call other people out on it. Hypocrite. Make no mistake, when you claim getting diseases is a good thing, you are part of the problem. You can repeat freedom of choice all you want, it doesn’t change the facts. Fact: Your freedoms end where other people’s health begins. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp that you call ME the moron?

  • Cori Sayer-Porter

    Hey troll measles is not a deadly disease. Deal with it. Why do you care anyway, if you’re so sure the vaccine is safe and effective? I really hope that when you have children they are not harmed. This family has been through hell and it’s very obvious that the damage was a result of the shot she received and that the doctor tried to cover it up.

  • Cori Sayer-Porter

    Immunocompromised kids are actually more threatened by the vaccinated. It’s called vaccine shedding.

  • Cori Sayer-Porter

    Other people’s health is not my problem. If that were the reality here than we would stop or make people do a lot of other things as well. Vaccines should never be mandatory. The child in the article was found to have mitochondrial disorder. Who’s to say that she would be just fine had she not had her system pumped full of toxins? Why do you think it’s ok for the doctor to give her the other shots that the parents had declined? And then try to hide it? How do we explain her immediate reaction to the shot? SERIOUSLY?!? If you want the shots, knock yourself out but NOT MY KID. I made the mistake of listening to the doctor and my oldest child paid for it. I am thankful that we refused the MMR, it could have been the final straw and not a risk I will take for anyone.

  • Tanya Marie Reid

    My poor Jodie she has been through so much and for all you trolls take a look at your self befor you think you have got the right to write nasty comments and get a life love you lots Jodie your big cousin

  • Julie

    Are you friggin serious? Measles is not a deadly disease? Check out WHO statistics. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/
    Measles kills an estimated 400 people per day worldwide despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. You are doing your cause célèbre no favors.

  • Glenn Festog

    Mr. Deer,

    Please come to Central Florida. Many misinformed people here are reporting that alligators eat people. What a lie. I’ve been here almost a decade and I’ve never seen an alligator eat a person. In order to prove my theory, I want you, a fellow who obviously supports truthiness, to cover yourself in pork chops and swim in the local lakes to prove my point. You don’t have to worry about an attack because I have experts ready to swear it was a crocodile, not an alligator, that took a nip or two.

    Represent.

  • Hey Dave Wilde. It is the VACCINATED that are ACTUALLY sharing measles!!!! Start getting it right. You know how thew CDC always claims to that live virus vaccines like the MMR don’t shed, nor not significantly?

    Avoid live virus vaccines and people who have received one

    Some vaccines are made from live viruses. Currently, these include oral polio, smallpox, MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella), and nasal flu vaccines.

    These vaccines may pose a threat to your child’s health. Any person with a weakened immune system, including patients with cancer or HIV infection should not receive live virus vaccines.

    Do not allow people to visit your child if:

    They have received oral polio or smallpox vaccines within 4 weeks;
    They have received the nasal flu vaccine within one (1) week; or
    They have rashes after receiving the chickenpox (varicella) vaccine or MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine.

    Looks like St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital did not take the page down, but rather, they changed the URL (website address). So, those who kept the old link could not find it, although it is still on cached.

    It’s still here on a new address:

    http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=d007404edaf0c410VgnVCM100000290115acRCRD

    Check out what they did once they found out we were sharing their little info (facebook and elsewhere), on vaccine shedding that the immunocompromised patients should avoid recently vaccinated individuals… They totally removed it!!!

    Here:

    http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimmel_cancer_center/patient_information/education/handbook/Immunocompromised%20patient%205.pdf

    Previously it stated:

    Page 113
    Revised / Reviewed 6/12

    Can I have visitors?
    • Tell friends and family who are sick, or have recently had a live vaccine (such as chicken pox, measles, rubella, intranasal influenza, polio or smallpox) not to visit.
    • It may be a good idea to have visitors call first.
    • Avoid contact with children who were recently vaccinated.

    http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimmel_cancer_center/patient_information/education/handbook/Immunocompromised%20patient%205.pdf

    https://attachment.fbsbx.com/file_download.php?id=371700242954601&eid=ASu1yawh2inXxq1zelKM_ipT3cPsmccSVdcbIIL8AyQ4bBbqKabVewes24jUnGtNOTg&inline=1&ext=1426452320&hash=ASvA1tTNVcBq3d30

    Here is an example of some of the provax LUNATIC rants by the well known TROLL… Dave Wilde.
    http://thewildeman2.blogspot.com/2014/10/anti-vaxxers-may-be-hypocrites-if.html

    Dave Wilde. You can look him up on facebook as well, unless he has blocked you because he knows you are vaccine truth, (may have or may be responding on an article, and may want to know who he actually is).
    https://plus.google.com/112947551578286185652/posts

  • See the above reply, entry. Then respond to it.

  • Oh, I think PLENTY of personal health care FREEDOM of CHOICE, has been infringed on. That has been a deliberate and direct process, over the past 100 years. You simply refuse to get it.

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

    The Drug Story – A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

    The Real History of Modern Medicine
    Origins of Medical Industry Corruption
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-history-of-modern-medicine.html

    The False Foundations of Modern Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

    Death By Medicine, (by the numbers, now determined as the leading cause of death, over that of cancer and heart disease, with over 900,000 deaths caused per year)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

  • Keep your vaccine shedding kids away from the unvaccinated and the immune-compromised, Wilde! Your causing the same and actually a worse issue with vaccines, than you have accused of. Your actual ignorance of the understanding of true physiological health, and the toxicity and contamination of vaccines; is all to obvious.

  • AutismDad

    screw you deer

  • AutismDad

    screw you

  • AutismDad

    you better check your still Jethro

  • AutismDad

    Please do not encourage him to have children…PLEASE

  • AutismDad

    Oh so we should say vaccine enhanced? Sorry doesn’t fit the facts.

  • AutismDad

    HUH YUCK

  • Bonzai

    Be a good article without some major word choice/grammar issues. The worst one is the use, in several places, of the word demise rather than decline or a completely different word. Demise=death. You might want to fix that. Also jubilee was used rather than jubilant.

    I’m sorry for this family’s suffering & hope they win their case.

  • Steve Weinberg

    More Tenpenny hysteria and distortion. Tenpenny needs to run as a politician

  • Steve Weinberg

    We all feel for the family I can assure you of that. It’s Tenpenny lies and distoirtion that we are against

  • The girl is missing? Is that a cardboard cut-out of her, then? Because she’s right there, right in the pictures. How will she feel that she was so labeled and paraded around?

  • Forced? They’re holding people down and vaccinating them? Where?!

  • Julie

    Do you not understand that mitochondrial disorders cause severe developmental and cognitive impairment, vaccines aside? Also, it was stated here that medical records indicate that her father brought up concerns about her development PRIOR to her vaccine. Do you ant-Vaxers even care about Truth?

  • Free People

    “there is no solid proof’?”junk that has to be weeded out to get to anything remotely looking like facts.” ?

    Junk like the parents signature refusing DTap and any other vaccines aside from MMR.

    Documentation Jodie was diagnosed with only autism. The medico cartel quacks refused to test for other ssues. Documentation of their refusal to investigate due to their typical ‘cover up’ of vaccine crimes.

    Documentation from a REAL doctor and Professor, John Walker-Smith diagnosis, CONFIRMING she must have received more than an ordinary MMR before anyone (except the Quack GP Allison Hill who ordered them) knew of the other seven deadly shots that were injected into this innocent, healthy infant.

    Documentation of the EIGHT signatures for the 8 deadly poisons by the hand of Quack GP Allison Hill signed to be given to Jodie without parental consent for any aside from the deadly MMR.

    And on and on ,junk, ey. Read the entire article before spouting off pure bull and pHARMafia scripts…now run along and collect your pennies for shilling.

  • Brenda Cook

    yep and that’s what happens when you get vaccinated!!> You shed the viruses for others to contract. Vaccinations don’t automatically disinfect a child or person you know. You have to be exposed to it in some form for a person to have it in their system.

  • thewildeman2

    Believing more bs I see. Any that actually do shed, do so in feces. Do you play in feces?

  • thewildeman2

    How much do you get paid to accuse people of shilling?

  • thewildeman2

    Don’t forget, I actually know who you are and you’ve been stalking me.

  • thewildeman2

    Another stalking post from AutismDad. I know who this creep is.

  • thewildeman2

    ____ yourself first. Stalker.

  • thewildeman2

    The shedding is a baseless fear and doesn’t happen the way you exaggerate it. When it does happen it happens in feces. Do you routinely play in feces, Lowell?

  • thewildeman2

    Oh shut up, Lowell. I don’t believe any of your carp.

  • Sue

    Oh well there you go thewildeman2 .. Lowell Hubbs gives you sites to check.. information to show you how wrong you are.. and your reply is “Oh shut up, Lowell. I don’t believe any of your carp.” It would not matter if the proof it you in the face you would deny deny deny.. Paid by BIG Pharam.. Of course…

  • Sue

    FREEDOM OF Choice… I will keep saying it over and over again.. We do not want to take your freedom of choice away to choose if you get vaccines.. we just want you to let us chose as well.. YOU have not facts no common sense.. Every time you post to people you are just talking rubbish..

    The list goes on and on.. but of course you will deny deny..

    “I’ve been practicing for 40 years, and in the past 10 years the children have been sicker than ever.”–Dr Doris J.Rapp, paediatric allergist.

    “The incidence of asthma has been found to be five times more common in vaccinated children.” -The Lancet, 1994

    “I think that no person would permit anybody to get close to them with an inoculation if they would really know how they are made, what they carry, what has been lied to them about them and what the real percent of danger is of contracting such a disease which is minimal.”—Dr. Eva Snead

    “All vaccination has the effect of directing the three values of the blood into or toward the zone characteristics of cancer and leukaemia…Vaccines do predispose to cancer and leukaemia.” -Professor L.Vincent – founder of Bioelectronics

    reported that juvenile diabetes increased 60 per cent following a massive hepatitis B vaccination campaign for babies six weeks or older in New Zealand from 1988 to 1991.

    “My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others.” –Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D.

    “Only after realising that routine immunisations were dangerous did I achieve a substantial drop in infant death rates. The worst vaccine of all is the whooping cough vaccine… it is responsible for a lot of deaths and for a lot of infants suffering irreversible brain damage. In susceptible infants, it knocks their immune systems about, leading to irreparable brain damage, or severe attacks or even deaths from diseases like pneumonia or gastro-enteritis and so on.” –Dr. Kalokerinos, M.D.

    “This report describes six mothers who received live virus vaccines and one who received a Hepatitis B vaccine during pregnancy after having received an MMR booster five months prior to conception. All the children who resulted from these pregnancies have had developmental problems, six out seven (85%) were diagnosed with autism, and the seventh seems to exhibit symptoms often associated with autistic spectrum disorders.” –F. EdwardYazbak, MD

    One example is the lies lies lies about the flu vaccine.. but the pharmaceutical companies make billions of $$$$’s every year on this vaccine that does not even work.. but taking it make you more at risk of contracting the flu in the future….
    http://globalnews.ca/news/1804162/canadian-study-finds-flu-shot-could-increase-risk-of-getting-sick/
    New Canadian research published this week has found this season’s flu shot is less effective than previously thought and in some cases may actually increase a person’s risk of becoming ill.

  • guest

    yep, a toll. Me thinks thou doth protest too much!

  • Sue

    This is what I care about.. saving our children from a lifetime of sickness or worse.. future generation of weak or NO immunity ……thewildeman2.. I am truly not interested in talking with someone who just wants to argue.. I care about people you care about BIG Pharma.. Are you the TROLL other posts say you are??????????

    The Perfect Storm: The Proof is in the Population

    Over the past twenty years, a lot has changed, and we are seeing the results in each (sicker) generation of children. I am always amazed to find out how certain shifts in our environment and culture affect our health. Small changes go long way when significant percentages of the population take part, knowing or unknowingly.

    The poor health of each generation can be partly to blame on a weakened immune system and the rising rates of obesity. By a perfect storm, I mean, what happens when breast feeding declines, vaccine schedules and c-sections increase, GMO foods are eaten, and toxins are present everywhere.

    We now have epidemic increases in food allergies, asthma, ADHD, diabetes, and autism. It seems the perfect storm is now and we need to figure out how to weather it. Here are the latest statistics (from Allergy Kids) and they are staggering:

    400% increase in food allergies

    300% increase in asthma

    400% increase in ADHD

    400% increase in Celiac Disease

    1,500 to 6,000 increase in autism

    45% of children will be insulin dependent within ten years

    http://www.elephantjournal.com/2011/02/why-your-children-will-be-sicker-than-you-julie-mcginnis-ms-rd/

  • guest

    The WHO is a criminal eugenics organization. The are in league with the Gates Foundation, Carnegie Institution , Rockefellers, J.H. Kellog, H.B. Du Pont, Morgan, Margaret Sanger (no money but made a name for herself) CDC, Task Force for Global Health-all the big money people who deem most people on the planet are not worthy to be here. Here are some of their activity:
    -World Health Organization ‘Mr Swine Flu’ Under Investigation for Gross Conflict of Interest: http://www.whale (dot) to/b/engdahl6.html.
    -World Health Organization ‘Manufactured’ The Global Swine Flu Scare – Suspected Of Corruption: http://www (dot) whale.to/vaccine/world_health_organization.html.
    -WHO ADVISER CONCEALS A DONATION OF MILLIONS FROM A PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY-http://www (dot) whale.to/vaccine/who_adviser.html.
    -NEW WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION CHIEF INVOLVED IN POPULATION CONTROL VACCINE SCANDAL: https://www.lifesitenews (dot) com/news/new-world-health-organization-chief-involved-in-population-control-vaccine-
    These are just a few of the WHO egregious act. The only people who put trust in the WHO are the same ones that put trust in the CDC & FDA.

    “Measles kills an estimated 400 people per day worldwide (mostly children under the age of 5) despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine.”
    -Those deaths occur in third world countries and the MT has been proven to not e safe or effective. Also, the MMR has proven to be a fraudulent product.
    Who says the MMR is not killing the children? It’s a know fact that children can develop measles from the MMR and also the measles virus sheds.

    Did you know that vaccines sent to third world countries are created stronger than the ones in the west? You have children who are malnourished and physically not in the best of physical health-all the conditions that the package insert says to not give vaccines to.

    Please provide a INDEPENDENT double blind placebo based controlled study on the safety and effectiveness of the MMR.

    That WHO webpage that vaccine zealots keep posting, where are the studies to support any of the data on that page. Please provide a link to studies that substantiate the information on the WHO webpage on Measles.

  • Ben William

    In our ‘corporate state’ one does NOT have to be ‘HELD DOWN’ to be ‘FORCED’ to take vaccines, Ding Dong.

    However, in the case of Prince George’s County, Maryland, more than 1,600 parents (all minorities in this case) were FALSELY told by a crooked judge that they would ALL face jail if their children did NOT get FORCED vaccinated by the state of MD, right there at the court house. The crooked judge NEVER told parents Maryland Law states that their children did NOT have to get vaccinated. Vaccine exemption was NOT disclosed to the parents. That’s a crime in of itself.

    Local news (FOX) showed crying parents and barking police dogs on parents while ‘FORCE INJECTING’ there children with heavy metals chemicals and stealth viruses.

    Here State Attorney Glenn Ivey admits they withheld ‘disclosure’ of the parents LEGAL rights.
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/151107ivey.mp3

    You can do a search on vaccines at the point of a gun and you will find gun grabbing Bill Gates in the middle of shotgun vaccine policies carried out in Africa (measles) and Pakistan (polio)

    Is the USA far off from the same?

    Well, State troopers have spoken out against federal plans to set up check points to implement forced vaccines onto the public.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB7OwPk5Z78

    This is NOT ‘way out there’ when you consider the ‘corporate state’ HOLDS DOWN people / manly children who don’t want Chemo and heavy radiation. Which 9 out of ten times kills them.

    MANDATES = ‘FORCE’ PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

    There are hundreds of vaccines ready to be put on the so-called market, AND THEY WILL ALL BE EXEMPT FROM LIABILITY.

  • Sue

    Here here Tanya Marie Reid..there is some very very nasty people out here that is for sure..

  • Sue

    You have to be kidding Steve Weinberg.. if you feel for the family it is Dr Tenpenny that is trying to help families like them..She is Fantastic..And will be remembered in History as such you will see

  • Sue

    Oh you have to be kidding…. You are even going to come on here with all this when you have lied about a wonderful man.. How long does your lies and deception go on for .. How may more sick children do we need to have to prove you are who you are……. For a story you did this .. I could nbot put into words what I think…Brian Deer

  • Sue

    You are really trying to save you name are you not.. by doing as you do best making everyone else look like a ……. You are running scared matie running scared….

  • chrisalien

    Do you still have the letter?

  • chrisalien

    Its amazing, the “religious” stance some people take in , not only vaccines but also GMO’s and chemo and radiation therapy for cancer. The fact that they do not work does not matter to these people, all that matters is their belief system.
    Blinded by “science” tific bullshit.

  • chrisalien

    Tenpenny knows more about vaccines than most doctors do…also obviously you dont.

  • thewildeman2

    And none of it is connected to vaccines. What’s wrong. Didn’t like getting called out on your stalking around the other poster? I don’t care who calls me a troll, it’s all they’ve got to compete with is ” I call you troll, durrrr”. It’s not connected to GMO’s either. If you don’t want to argue, stop responding.

  • thewildeman2

    So keep saying it over and over again. That just proves you are incapable of understanding the importance of public health and how you don’t have the right to bring back preventable childhood diseases just because you don’t understand vaccines or the science behind them.

  • thewildeman2

    Lowell also tracked me down on facebook. And I’ve seen all the anti-vax conspiracy rhetoric before. I would post links but guess what, they moderate those and don’t allow any from opposing view points. Sounds like fair play doesn’t it?

  • thewildeman2

    So you are giving out my name and telling people to track me down? Watch yourself. I’ll just take a screen shot of this in case I need to report stalking.

  • thewildeman2

    “Other people’s health is not my problem” Spoken like a true self important and selfish a$$

  • thewildeman2

    Any shedding that does rarely occur is in feces. Do you play in feces? If shedding were the issue that you claim, there would be no way to hide the 100 million person outbreaks that would occur. Go get yourself some actual logic and try again.

  • thewildeman2

    Measles is deadly at 2-3 per 1000. It also causes lifelong damage in 30% of those affected. Higher than your side claims of vaccines. But I already know you don’t care how people are affected by disease, it’s not your problem after all. You don’t care if you give an immunocompromised child measles. You’ll just say “survival of the fittest” and sneer in that parents face.

  • sabelmouse

    that seems like a criminal action by that hospital. protecting the vaccine dogma is obviously more important to them than protecting the ‘vulnerable”.

  • sabelmouse

    lol! where? what cohort?

  • thewildeman2

    cohort??

  • Sue

    Nothing can dint you and that is OK.. and you stop chatting to me.. I will be very happy with that.. as it seems not matter how much intelligent info I put in front of you .. well I guess you know the answer to that… Have a healthy life to you and your son

  • thewildeman2

    Dint???

  • Sue

    I keep saying it over and over again because it is true.. and that is really what upsets you isn’t it thewildeman2 .. sticks and stones baby stick and stones…

  • sabelmouse

    yes, healthy versus compromised for instance, or different age groups as that makes a difference.

  • Sue

    Yes Brian Deer has a lot to answer for.. I do not know how he sleeps at night..I hope he is enjoying his 30 pieces of silver….

  • sabelmouse

    how do any of them?

  • Sue

    Well said Glenn Festog.. I will help pay for his airfare.. lol

  • Sue

    Ha ha see what I mean.. the best you can do is try and rubbish someone for a spelling error.. you are such a wonderful child.. it is almost like being on the playground with you.. that annoying kid that you felt sorry for but wish would just go away…. You have no facts.. you are just well quite stupid really thewildeman2..

  • thewildeman2

    Actually, I didn’t know if it was slang or what. You could have simply said what you meant, but you go on a tangent to call ME stupid. You wish I would go away? I bet the other person wishes you would go away too. So same to you with added emphasis.

  • thewildeman2

    Oh you want the “one study” that they can’t do because it would be totally unethical and dangerous because it would mean exposing people to full on live viruses. Why didn’t you just say so?

  • Sue

    Thanks thewildeman2 for the extra emphasis…

  • thewildeman2

    If you say so

  • thewildeman2

    More like land for the scientifically illiterate.

  • thewildeman2

    No one is exempt from liability. That is false.

  • thewildeman2

    And no one is going to hold dogs on anyone to vaccinate. That’s just stupid fear mongering crap.

  • thewildeman2

    It could have seen a courtroom if certain criteria are met. The exemptions are a myth and exaggerated by anti-vaxxer whackos.

  • Capt Ron

    The articles here are written and posted for emotional effect and clearly reflect a biased paradigm. Medical & scientific veracity is of little importance.

  • sabelmouse

    you jump around, don’t you?

  • Capt Ron

    Dr. Tenpenny has no relevant educational background or expertise in infectious disease or immunology. It also appears that she has not actally practiced medicine for a number of years preferring to travel and lecture. Additionally, she has never published any scientifically valid research on any related topic. She just lectures, writes on Facebook and sells books where what she “knows” is rife with pseudoscience.

  • annie

    Good to see you completely missed the point…. but keep playing…

  • annie

    Sadly, the majority who post here do not wish to see facts, and when they do, they will claim it is a conspiracy or cover-up.
    You could bring in 20 other doctors to verify results, and it would never be good enough.
    And, even though you have witnesses to events, your side will not be believed by those who are swayed solely by emotion and perception.

  • annie

    Please provide studies that show that shedding from vaccinated people actually infects others.
    Please provide studies showing that X many people were vaccinated, and that they infected Y many non-vaccinated people.
    Please provide studies that show that the risk of contracting an illness is greater from a freshly vaccinated person than from an infected non-vaccinated person.
    And, please explain why shedding is such a bad thing, when so many non-vaxxers try to get the illness. One would think that you would be lining up to give that freshly vaccinated person a big ole hug and kiss.
    I will await your studies. Thank you.

  • annie

    Wow – you are a stalker. Very creepy.

  • You need to read-read the reply post; as no one said nor suggested anything about tracking you down. You are just being exposed for what you really are. In your twisted, paranoid, and delusional conspiracy theory filled mind, you can just go ahead take all the screen shots that you want.

    You see, those who tell the truth and promote the vaccine truth, they can walk in the light and fear nothing, as unlike you, I have always done; and with a real identity that has never been hidden. Why are you scared of it and that?

    You have reply posted on so many articles with all your hate, attacks, and repeatedly parroted standard issue of vaccine lies and misinformation, that it isn’t any longer any mystery that you are the same person, and especially when you used the same ridiculous looking picture. Wow, and you are now worried that someone easily figured that out. Sources and information that you have personally and directly placed on the internet, are not off limits here, so get used to it… thewildeman.

  • That study is NOT unethical when the entirely unvaccinated comparison groups already and clearly do exist. The CDC is as a fact scared just sh$%less of such a larger study, ever being done.

  • annie

    Please cite your sources.
    Yes, St Judes has it listed in their precautions, as a potential risk, minute as it is.
    But, please provide the studies that show that vaccinated people infect others. Please show me the studies that prove that X many people were vaccinated, and they infected Y many other people.
    Yes it happens – extremely rarely.
    A study on chicken pox showed 3 transmissions in 10 years.
    Wow – totally scary, isn’t it.
    But, then, compare the following:
    Person A has measles, and they are in contact with person B (vaccinated) and person C (unvaccinated). Who is more likely to get the illness? And what is the percentage rate?
    Person B is freshly vaccinated, and they are in contact with person C unvaccinated, and person D vaccinated. Who is more likely to get the illness and what is the percentage rate?
    If you show me the numbers, then I can decide which is the higher risk for me and my family.

  • Shedding is NOT just in the feces; or the places that do cancer treatment and care for the immune compromised, would not be concerned with the vaccinated infecting their patients. Or did you again entirely ignore the information that was put in front of you here?

  • See my reply above, fool.

  • Then you continue to choose to be clueless by choice, and as I have said. Nothing would be enough.

  • You reply comment as an obvious vaccine shill, everywhere there exists such vaccine related articles.

    You used the wilde name in your character name here, and the same personal picture here, and on facebook; and like it really was some sort of big mystery, to figure out?

    Keep making all the false excuses you can come up with for not reply posting links, but you are lying. Pro-vaccine replies are always allowed to provide info sources, and to use url links here, so get started.

    See if you can refute and top any of this information? Get started.

    Vaccination Cover Up: The Triangle of Blame
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkLdrir5LJA

    New Film Exposes Shaken Baby Syndrome Myth – Opponents Want to Silence it at Film Festivals-Shaken Baby Syndrome Can be Evidence of Vaccine-Induced Rickets

    Kirchner writes that those who support Shaken Baby Syndrome in the medical field are part of a powerful and influential group, including the American Academy of Pediatrics and the National Center on Shaken Baby Syndrome. Before the film’s first screening, they tried to get the Kansas International Film Festival to block the film, calling it “dangerous” even though they had not viewed it.

    http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/03/11/new-film-exposes-shaken-baby-syndrome-myth-opponents-want-to-silence-it-at-film-festivals/

    Here is a description of the film from the film’s website:

    THE SYNDROME-a feature investigative documentary
    http://thesyndromefilm.com/

    Finally, a Judge Calls Shaken Baby Diagnosis an “Article of Faith” And frees Jennifer Del Prete, who was sentenced for murder 10 years ago.
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/05/shaken_baby_syndrome_in_the_courts_a_judge_finally_calls_the_diagnosis_an.html

    The Syndrome-Movie
    https://www.facebook.com/thesyndromefilm

    The Syndrome Cast
    http://www.resetfilms.com/crew/

    A New Film Challenges Shaken Baby Syndrome, and Courts Controversy
    Meryl and Susan Goldsmith’s documentary, The Syndrome, has been boycotted and protested against for its portrayal of SBS as outdated science.
    http://www.psmag.com/books-and-culture/a-new-film-challenges-shaken-baby-syndrome-and-courts-controversy

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused, SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

    Is Shaken Baby Syndrome Often Misdiagnosed and Caused by Vaccine-Induced Rickets?
    http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/01/06/is-shaken-baby-syndrome-often-misdiagnosed-and-caused-by-vaccine-induced-rickets/

    Aluminum is Toxic to All Life Forms: So Why is it Used in Vaccines?
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/aluminum-is-toxic-to-all-life-forms-so-why-is-it-used-in-vaccines/

    Dirty Vaccine Secrets Revealed & Big Pharma Lies Exposed – Dr. Russell Blaylock
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_1AFhpn9n0&feature=youtu.be

    Top Ten Reasons Why This Attorney Chose a Home Birth
    http://fearlessparent.org/top-ten-reasons-why-this-attorney-chose-a-home-birth/

    V. Borek Law Firm
    https://www.facebook.com/vboreklawfirm

  • thewildeman2

    That directs back at you pretty fast Lowell. I’ve seen all the tropes of the anti-vax conspiracy. It amazes me how it is either flat out wrong, lies, misinformation, or just doesn’t support what you think it does. Now when it comes to showing you that you are wrong about vaccines, you’ll turn your nose up because you don’t believe a single source that I’ll name. You’ll claim them all to be paid by “big pharma” and therefore no good TO YOU. That’s ignorant, blind, and paranoid. If you’re going to be afraid of the big bad wolf, I suppose it would help your stance if there really was one to be afraid of. Now, you’ll call me clueless some more or stupid. No problem. I can see what kind of person you are, you who tracks people down and alerts others on how to go find them.

  • Really? Then why have you not yet come up with the studies I asked you for? You know what I asked for. Where are the studies showing the physiological safety profile of the current CDC schedule, with 49 doses of 14 vaccines before the age of 6, and 69 doses of 16 vaccines by the age of 18, to include the dangerous Gardasil? Where are the safety profile studies on giving anywhere from 5 to 9 vaccines to a small child, in a single day and office visit? Get started. You have nothing, and you know you have nothing.

    http://www.nvic.org/Downloads/49-Doses-PosterB.aspx

  • thewildeman2

    So, just reread because you think you understand it but you don’t? No. You have no idea what you are talking about. If the shed like you claim then there would be no way of hiding the outbreaks. Sinced 2006 there has been about 76 million doses of MMR given. Show me the 76 million cases of United States measles since then. Go ahead. Find them.

  • annie

    Did you notice this:
    “Toxic property of thimerosal – a mercury-containing preservative used in some vaccines was presented.”

    The study is regarding thimerosal, which is not in pediatric vaccines in the US and Canada.

    They also used faulty studies that have been refuted by the medical community. Studies by Greier and Singh have been found to be inaccurate in recording and testing methods.

  • thewildeman2

    A cautionary statement is not something meant for you to overreact to. They put a cautionary on it as just that. It’s actually so rare it’s ridiculous. Why don’t you ask them if they’d like you to visit after being exposed to the wild virus? Even so, shedding is not a reason to abandon vaccines. None of the hospitals will tell you. “don’t vaccinate”. So cut the straw man arguments.

  • thewildeman2

    No. They aren’t. You want to be in on that study? Why don’t you go out and get measles and tell us how it worked for you in comparison to someone else? You take the 30% chance of permanent damage or physical scarring from a disease. Let us know how that works out for you.

  • thewildeman2

    Posting people and saying where to find them is bad enough in its own right. It’s sick and creepy.

  • thewildeman2

    Well, why don’t you just spell out what you want instead of leaving it to the imagination so much?

  • thewildeman2

    Because I can’t post links here and you know it. Vactruth moderates links. Past that, the study you want isn’t possible because it’s dangerous and unethical. The safety of vaccins has been tested however by the CISA project over and over again since they were founded in 2001. I’ve pointed that out to you before and you turned your nose up at it. So you tell me what specific source you will believe and find credible by your own personal judgement (since you think the world should turn on that alone) and let’s see what you come up with.

  • thewildeman2

    And as I posted before (which you ignored and have refused to answer), how will it be worth my time to post refutation to your beliefs and all the links you storm the page with? Will you take any of it into regard at all? That hasn’t been l my experience with you so far. And I’ve already had posts with links “not appear”. So evidently, someone moderating doesn’t like what I post. Is that you? Are you the moderator? And whether or not someone is easy to find, doesn’t mean you should go track them down and villainize them. And now I’m a paid shill? F you. I wish I was paid to call out your paranoid behavior. You know it’s actually possible for people to have opposing views without having to be paid for them. The fact that you believe in that proves who’s really paranoid here. There is no defense for your creepy behavior. How funny it is that I matter so much to you that you think people need to know about me. Well, you are doing me one favor, your creating web traffic for me. So thanks for that.

  • Capt Ron

    Perhaps you are unaware of the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) program? Data for the Vaccine Safety Datalink program has been collected in the USA since 1990. It’s a collaborative project between CDC and 8 very large managed care organizations around the USA. Data extraction is greatly enhanced because these organizations have sophisticated electronic medical systems.

    As of 12/31/2008, likely MORE by now:
    2,252,024 children (<18) enrolled
    3.0% of US population
    7,245,835 adults (over age 18) enrolled
    3.1% of US population
    Average yearly birth cohort ~ 95,000

    This program passively collects large scale non-patient identifiable vaccination and medical care data directly from the large electronic medical record systems. There are records for almost 10 million members or about 3.1% of the US population. There are 2.25 million children in that mix. Complex programmed algorithms can effectively collect data from the electronic medical records without bias.

    If you Google "vaccine safety datalink publications", you will discover the "CDC – VSD Publications – Vaccine Safety" web page which lists about 200 (!) scholarly studies from high profile medical & scientific journals concerning vaccine safety – All using the VSD data set.

  • AutismDad

    Blood money

  • AutismDad

    Nice boot licking.

  • AutismDad

    If da POLL-EESE are called they’ll bring the hounds.

  • AutismDad

    ding-dong

  • AutismDad

    MAJOR LEAGUE COP-OUT

  • AutismDad

    He’s a Troll

  • AutismDad

    Neither does Clinton or Obama but they recommend them.

  • AutismDad

    No I missed nothing. You missed the point of using the proper word DAMAGED instead of inventing ADD, ADHD, etc. Vaccines DAMAGE kids. And parents want others to know it instead of playing psychiatric jargon and “NAME THAT ADVERSE EFFCT”

  • annie

    Ahhh AutismDad, you prove me right.
    You can call names as much as you want, but VT articles focus on emotion, not facts.
    You want to throw stones, be my guest. I will wait for the court decision.

  • annie
  • annie

    Well I could answer your questions.
    But, I a few questions for you first.
    You post an NVIC article, and expect me to accept it as fact.
    If I post FDA, CDC, PubMed, or other sources, you won’t believe those.
    See the impasse?
    Are you willing to read the links provided, or will you dismiss them as corrupt, misinformation, and provided by a troll?
    If you are already biased against any information to be provided, there is no reason to provide the studies.
    Now, if you say you are willing to read the studies, and not just dismiss them, I will post some. But I am not going to waste time putting together a list for you, if you are just going to say “corrupt studies” yet you expect me to accept your post without question.

  • thewildeman2

    I’m really not interested in your opinion. Add something of intellectual value or go jump in the river.

  • thewildeman2

    You playing with something and want everyone to know about it?

  • thewildeman2

    I bet you actually sound like that.

  • annie

    Ohhhhh I HAZ CAPZLOXXXX!!!!
    Yelling doesn’t make you right. It just makes you loud.

  • guest

    She’ll never know.

  • guest

    Obviously you haven’t read Dr. Tenpenny.

  • Ben William

    Yeah, I suppose if so-called ‘anti-vaxxrers’ could come up with more cash than the criminal drug companies did to bribe congress and the entire judicial system. Seems that’s the only way things get done in DC.

  • Ben William

    It already happened and was aired on the local Fox news affiliate.

  • Ben William

    WRONG!

  • guest

    Is this a article about Jodie or Dr. Tenpenny? Dr. Proffit has never treated an Autistic child in his life yet he is considered an expert on Autism. What’s the point? This is just a distraction from the core issue. Jodie is a vaccine injured individual. That’s the discussion, not Dr. Tenpenny. If you don’t like her -don’t go to her website. Stay on topic.

  • guest

    It’s not an article it’s just a chart. if you’d gone to the site you would have seen that.

    http://www.cdc (dot) gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-schedule-bw.pdf

    http://www.cdc (dot) gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf

  • annie

    Ahhh guest, but if you follow the links on that chart, it goes to the NVIC website, which gives all the NVIC reasons why Avers feel that the schedule is inappropriate.
    Since Lowell has already confirmed that he does not feel the current schedule is appropriate, and provided the NVIC link, my questions to him above stand and I will await his reply.

  • guest

    -Transcripts of meeting can be found: Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information June 7-8, 2000 Simpsonwood Retreat Center Norcross, Georgia. http://www.putchildrenfirst (dot) org/media/2.9.pdf

    -22 Medical Studies That Show Vaccines Can Cause Autism:
    activistpost (dot) com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html.

    -30 SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT DEMONSTRATE VACCINES CAN CAUSE AUTISM by Lisa
    Joyce Goes: whale.to/v/30_scientific_studies (dot) html.

    -100 Compiled Studies on Vaccine Dangers
    activistpost (dot) com/2011/09/100-compiled-studies-on-vaccine-dangers.html.

    -GlaxoSmithKline report: https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress (dot) com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf.

    -“No Evidence of Any Link” links to 96 papers
    http://adventuresinautism.blogspot (dot) com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html

    -List of peer reviewed vaccine research:
    https://therefurbishedrogue (dot) wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-list-of-peer-reviewed-vaccine-research/.

    – This site documents scientific links between vaccines and unexplained diseases, vaccines causing the “prevented” disease, vaccine failures, vaccines causing another vaccinal disease, vaccines and death, vaccines
    affecting metabolism, vaccines altering resistance to disease, kidney disorders, skin disorders, abscesses, shock, and other studies.
    http://www.thinktwice (dot) com/s_misc.htm

  • guest

    There are no anti-vaxxers. That’s a construct created by the CDC/Vaccine makers to dismiss the genuine concerns of parents who have vaccine damaged children and who are concerned about the toxic poisons being injected into their children. Obviously you are not concerned with people being poisoned so let me ask you-are you up to date on your adult vaccines?

    Recommended Adult Immunization Schedule—United States – 2015
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/adult/adult-schedule (dot) pdf.

    A catch up schedule for adults is in the works.
    I would think anyone who is a champion for one of the most corrupt criminal corporations on the planet would step up to the plate and be the example and take the required number of vaccines for the cause. Please let us know how it works for you.

  • guest

    Third world countries.

    Children Around the World Vaccinated at Gunpoint – Is the U.S. Heading in the Same Direction? http://vaccineimpact (dot) com/2015/children-around-the-world-vaccinated-at-gunpoint-is-the-u-s-heading-in-the-same-direction/

    Gates Foundation partner forces vaccines on Malawian children at gunpoint, arrests parents: 131 Children Vaccinated at Gunpoint in Malawi: http://www.faceofmalawi (dot) com/2011/07/131-children-vaccinated-at-gunpoint-in-malawi/

  • guest

    No, they just quarantine them in their homes and tell them if they don’t submit to vaccination and they leave their home they will be arrested:

    Forced Quarantines have Started: Pasadena Woman Resists Forced Vaccination: http://vaccineimpact (dot) com/2015/forced-quarantines-have-started-pasadena-woman-resists-forced-vaccination/

  • Steve Weinberg

    I’ve been reading her for years. Her biggest problem is her attitude. She doesn’t have the temperment yiou expect from a doctor. She turns people off with her attitude

  • Sue

    OMG calling the kettle black as usual.. this is where you get all your info.. from a reporter.. this is the type of people you believe with the facts of our childrens health…. I rest my case.. It would not matter how many doctors come out and say how dangerous to be giving so many vaccines or certain vaccines or when a poor wee baby is not even a day old giving them a vaccine for Hep B.. which you can only get through sexual contact of drug use with needles.. come on .. Get with it annie.. save our babies….BELIEVE a REPORTER OVER ALL THE DOCTORS WHO ARE COMING OUT SAYING …. DANG DANGER DANGER… Shame on you annie shame on you….

  • Sue

    really really .. so the truth for you is unimportant.. do you not thing it is emotional to have this happen to your child.. You must be a very cold cold person…..Capt Ron

  • courageandhope

    I have the first two books, “Silenced Witnesses” Vols. I and II. What are the other four books in the six-book series, and how can I get them, please?

  • courageandhope

    Thank you to the parents for telling their precious baby’s story. I had read Jodie’s story, told by her parents, first in “Silenced Witnesses” Vol. II. I highly recommend those “Silenced Witnesses” books.

  • guest

    Here are the facts. Since you did not provide them I thought I would:
    *How the British Medical Journal and Brian Deer Fixed the Historical Record to Destroy Andrew Wakefield’s Reputation 1.
    http://www.ageofautism (dot) com/2015/03/how-the-british-medical-journal-and-brian-deer-fixed-the-historical-record-to-destroy-andrew-wakefields-reputation.html

    *How the BMJ and Brian Deer Fixed the Record to Destroy Andrew Wakefield Part 2. http://www.ageofautism (dot) com/2015/03/how-the-bmj-and-brian-deer-fixed-the-record-to-destroy-andrew-wakefield-part-2.html

    How Brian Deer and the BMJ Fixed the Record Over Wakefield Part 3. http://www.ageofautism (dot) com/2015/03/how-brian-deer-and-the-bmj-fixed-the-record-over-wakefield-part-2.html

    http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2012/503.html England and Wales High Court (Administrative Court)
    Decision Between: PROFESSOR JOHN WALKER-SMITH
    Appellant – and –
    GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL
    Respondent
    ____________________
    MR STEPHEN MILLER QC AND MS ANDREA LINDSAY-STRUGO (instructed by EASTWOODS SOLICITORS) for the Appellant MISS JOANNA GLYNN QC AND MR CHRISTOPHER MELLOR (instructed by FIELD FISHER WATERHOUSE LLP) for the Respondent Hearing dates: 13th. 14th, 15th, 16th & 17th February 2012

    ____________________
    But following the successful appeal of the paper’s senior clinical
    investigator – John Walker-Smith – the GMC findings that served as the basis for Lancet’s retraction have since been overturned.

    With regard to the GMC’s false claims that the patients in the paper were not “consecutively referred”:

    “157. …Thus construed, this paper does not bear the meaning put upon it by the [GMC] panel. The phrase “consecutively referred” means no more than that the children were referred successively, rather than as a single batch, to the Department of Paediatric Gastroenterology.”

    Similarly, the GMC’s rulings that the children in the Lancet paper were subjects of a research project that did not gain ethical approval also proved unfounded:

    “158. …The [GMC] panel’s finding that the description of the patient population in the Lancet paper was misleading would only have been justified if its primary finding that all of the Lancet children were referred for the purposes of research as part of Project 172-96 is sustainable. Because, for the reasons which I have given, it was not, this aspect of its findings must also fall.”

    The judge found only one misleading statement in the paper, but it was not because investigations undertaken were unethical experiments described as gaining ethical approval in the paper according to the now-overturned findings on which the paper’s retraction was based. On the contrary, it was because
    investigations in the paper were described as being ethically approved when most were clinically indicated and required no such approval, although a few investigations were ethically approved. This may require an erratum, but it does not justify keeping the paper fully retracted.

    My research has indicated that Wakefield’s only public statement on the matter occurred during a single press interview, sometime in the late 90’s where the interviewing press person asked a series of leading questions and Wakefield simply made a recommendation that people utilize the single shot. However, I
    wasn’t “there” so I don’t know for sure. Is there some evidence that Wakefield was actively DEMANDING that the U.K. utilize the single shots? I just don’t think that was really the situation and that statement may be misleading. It was the press, in response to Wakefield’s one-time recommendation to err on the side
    of caution. Also, the letter above states that the retracted Lancet report… it was an “early report” of the clinical findings of the 12 children undergoing treatment by Smith… the report did NOT contain a hypothesis about a link between MMR & autism. I will admit that the hypothesis of the connection of autism to the MMR could be applied to further studies using the scientific method based on the observations reported in the Lancet paper, however, the paper clearly stated that the “official conclusion” was that there was an environmental link.

    I would also like to remind everyone, or anyone new to this subject, that Wakefield claims that he and the other writers of the retracted paper, were asked to remove their reporting of the parents claims. I think it was 9 of the 12 PARENTS, initially claimed that their children adversely regressed within a short time
    following their MMR vaccines. Three of the scientists/doctors involved in the writing of the paper refused to remove the information about the parents claims. The other writers eventually removed their names from the paper. Wakefield was fired, then YEARS LATER out of the blue, accused of misconduct by a journalist. None of the parents who worked with Wakefield and Smith, filed any complaint about misconduct by Wakefield or Smith. Smith and Wakefield went up in front of the General Medical Counsel and had their licenses revoked. NONE of the
    “science” of the paper was EVER found to be “fraudulent” and ALL the children were actually IMPROVING under the care of Smith & with Wakefield’s research efforts. They lost their licenses because the GMC decided that they did not get the proper signatures somewhere along the way. Eventually, Smith appealed the ruling by the GMC and his license was reinstated. Wakefield is working to file for libel against the journalist & another medical journal that published the journalists false accusations against him.
    http://www.autisminvestigated (dot) com/category/fraud/page/2/

    This is an interpretation by a commenter on autism investigated. Martin Hewitt at Age of Autism, which is the bane of Deer’s existence, has done a diligent job documenting the events of the witch hunt. This is just another example of the criminality and ruthlessness of Merck and the criminal corporation they run. Here’s another example:
    Drug Giant Merck – “Destroy” Critical Doctors “Where They Live”
    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress (dot) com/2009/10/12/merckdestroydoccritics/.
    Links to court documents. Too many to post here. Go to webpage.

    -Merck vaccine scientist threatened with jail time for trying to expose massive vaccine data manipulation and fraud: -http://www.naturalnews (dot) com/048483_vaccine_research_scientific_fraud_Merck.html
    -http://www.naturalnews (dot) com/gallery/documents/Merck-False-Claims-Act.pdf

  • annie

    You are screaming guilty before the court case is concluded. So, why are you right, and I am wrong? The reporter provides other information – it doesn’t make him wrong.

    If Tenpenny told you the earth was flat, you would believe it.

    And, you show your ignorance on the HepB virus, which is NOT just transmittable through sexual contact or drug use. Educate yourself.

    30 – 40% of HepB infections are acquired in childhood (infant to age 8). It can be spread by infectious blood and body fluids. Something as simple as a day home worker bandaging a scraped knee on one child and then another could be enough to transmit the illness. Think about cuts and scrapes, children who bite each other, and that Hep B can remain viable on inanimate objects for up to 7 days.
    Also consider that there are documented cases where the mother did not know she had been infected, and passed it on to her child at birth.

    Google “Hep B transmission children.” There are some good articles.

    But, I know you won’t believe me (proving what I said above, that you make your decisions based on emotion, not fact).

  • annie

    Because I don’t consider anything that comes from Age of Autism or NaturalNews to be factual, I will do a little more homework on this.

  • thewildeman2

    That’s more misinformation. It’s not about refusing to vaccinate, it’s about the fact that she’s been exposed to the wild virus on top of that. She is in quarantine because of exposure to disease, but leave to the propaganda sites to twist the information to their own ends.

  • thewildeman2

    That’s just deflection. You are against vaccines? You are against the science, you are anti-vaccine. I’m up to date and just fine. Next straw man argument?

  • thewildeman2

    Yes you are. No matter how much you love your caps lock key.

  • thewildeman2

    Misconstrued I’m sure.

  • thewildeman2

    Why don’t you check out how much your alternative health magnates are making? Ever check out Mercola’s mansion property? Because they aren’t in it for the money, right? Keep trying.

  • guest

    “Please provide studies that show that shedding from vaccinated people actually infects others. ”

    Study titled, “Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011,” http://cid.oxfordjournals (dot) org/content/58/9/1205.long
    the groundbreaking study acknowledged that, “Measles may occur in vaccinated individuals, but secondary transmission from such individuals has not been documented. Sciencemag (dot) org article from April 2014 titled “Measles Outbreak Traced to Fully Vaccinated Patient for First Time.”
    Specifics:
    In order to find out if measles vaccine compliant individuals are capable of being infected and transmitting the infection to others, they evaluated suspected cases and contacts exposed during a 2011 measles outbreak in NYC. They focused on one patient who had received two doses of measles-containing vaccine and found that,

    “Of 88 contacts, four secondary cases were confirmed that had either two doses of measles-containing vaccine or a past positive measles IgG antibody. All cases had laboratory confirmation of measles infection, clinical symptoms consistent with measles, and high avidity IgG antibody characteristic of a secondary immune response.”
    Their remarkable conclusion:

    “This report of measles transmission from a twice vaccinated individual. The clinical presentation and laboratory data of the index were typical of measles in a naïve individual. Secondary cases had robust anamnestic antibody responses. No tertiary cases occurred despite numerous contacts. This outbreak underscores the need for thorough epidemiologic and laboratory investigation of suspected measles cases regardless of vaccination status.”

    Did you follow that? A twice-vaccinated individual, from a NYC measles outbreak, was found to have transmitted measles to four of her contacts, two of which themselves had received two doses of MMR vaccine and had prior presumably protective measles IgG antibody results.
    This phenomenon — the MMR vaccine compliant infecting other MMR vaccine compliant cases – has been ignored by health agencies and the media.

    This study published in the Oxford Journal answers your first three questions. The total number of people infected from a 22 years old woman who was twice vaccinated: 88.

    -Vaccinia Virus Infection After Sexual Contact with a Military Smallpox Vaccinee — Washington, 2010
    Weekly: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pubmed/?term=Vaccinia+Virus+Infection+After+Sexual+Contact+with+a+Military+Smallpox+Vaccinee+—+Washington%2C+2010
    July 2, 2010 / 59(25);773-775

    -BROTHER-TO-SISTER TRANSMISSION OF MEASLES AFTER MEASLES, MUMPS, AND RUBELLA IMMUNISATION http://www.thelancet (dot) com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2889%2991274-9/abstract

    —————————-
    “please explain why shedding is such a bad thing, when so many non-vaxxers try to get the illness.

    Provide Independent study to substantiate that unvaccinated children are contracting illness at a higher rate than vaccinated.

    The use of a straw man and Alice in Wonderland logic isn’t going to fly.
    ————————————–
    How about children being infected by the vaccine and developing the illness they were vaccinated for:

    -In 2013, Eurosurveillance published a report of vaccine strain measles occurring weeks after MMR vaccination in Canada. Authors stated, “We describe a case of measles mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine-associated measles illness that was positive by both PCR and IgM, five weeks after administration of the MMR vaccine.” The case involved a two-year-old child, who developed runny nose, fever, cough, macular rash and conjunctivitis after vaccination and tested positive for vaccine strain measles virus infection in throat swab and blood tests.[3] Canadian health officials authoring the report raised the question of whether there are unidentified cases of vaccine strain measles infections and the need to know more about how long measles vaccine strain shedding lasts. They concluded that the case they reported “likely represents the existence of additional, but unidentified, exceptions to the typical time frame for measles vaccine virus shedding and illness.” They added that “further investigation is needed on the upper limit of measles vaccine virus shedding based on increased sensitivity of the RT-PCR-based detection technologies and immunological factors associated with vaccine-associated measles illness and virus shedding.”
    Measles elimination efforts and 2008-2011 outbreak, France. Emerg Infect Dis. 2013 Mar;19(3):357-64. doi: 10.3201/eid1903.121360. PubMed PMID: 23618523; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC3647670.

    -In 2012, Pediatric Child Health published a report describing a healthy 15-month old child in Canada, who developed irritability, fever, cough, conjunctivitis and rash within seven days of an MMR shot.[2] Blood, urine and throat swab tests were positive for vaccine strain measles virus infection 12 days after vaccination. Addressing the potential for measles vaccine strain virus transmission to others, the authors stated, “While the attenuated virus can be detected in clinical specimens following immunization, it is understood that administration of the MMR vaccine to immunocompetent individuals does not carry the risk of secondary transmission to susceptible hosts. Differentiating the wild from the attenuated during a measles outbreak. Paediatr Child Health Apr. 2012; 17(4).

    -Hautarzt. 2013 Feb;64(2):107-9. doi: 10.1007/s00105-012-2477-x.
    [Herpes zoster after varicella-zoster vaccination].
    [Article in German]
    Fahlbusch M1, Wesselmann U, Lehmann P.
    Abstract
    A five-year-old girl, vaccinated against varicella-zoster virus (VZV) presented with clinical symptoms of herpes zoster in the 6th cervical dermatome. A VZV direct immune-fluorescence assay was negative three times but additional genotypical analysis showed a VZV strain genotype 2 (Oka vaccine strain). Therefore the diagnosis of a breakthrough varicella disease with the vaccine strain was established. An immunodeficiency was ruled out and the patient responded well to the initiated therapy. This case demonstrates that a negative VZV direct immunofluorescence assay does not exclude an infection with the vaccine strain.

    -J Infect Dis. 2001 Feb 15;183(4):532-8. Epub 2001 Jan 18. Prolonged measles virus shedding in human immunodeficiency virus-infected children, detected by reverse transcriptase-polymerase chain reaction.
    Permar SR1, Moss WJ, Ryon JJ, Monze M, Cutts F, Quinn TC, Griffin DE.

    -California Whooping Cough outbreak: 91% fully vaccinated. “Most pediatric cases were vaccinated according to national recommendations, although 9% of those aged 6 months to 18 years were completely unvaccinated against pertussis. High disease rates also were observed in fully vaccinated preadolescents, especially 10-year-olds” Infants that died were not old enough to receive the DPT vaccine. California pertussis epidemic, 2010. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22819634.
    ———–Cont below:
    -Nearly a century after the release of the whooping cough (B. Pertussis) vaccine, mounting evidence suggests that widespread mandated use of the vaccine could potentially be doing more harm than good in the long term—in addition to having been found lacking in the effectiveness department. As reported by The Washington Post:

    “The research suggests that while the vaccine may keep people from getting sick, it doesn’t prevent them from spreading whooping cough — also known as Pertussis — to others.

    ‘It could explain the increase in Pertussis that we’re seeing in the US,’ said one of the researchers, Tod Merkel of the Food and Drug Administration…

    The study, titled: “Acellular Pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model,” used infant baboons to test the hypothesis that “current acellular pertussis vaccines fail to prevent colonization and transmission” of B. Pertussis. (there is no vaccine for Bordetella Pertussis virus) http://www.pnas (dot) org/content/111/2/787

    Lead author Tod Merkel did comment to the New York Times that when exposed to B. Pertussis after recently getting vaccinated, you could be an asymptomatic carrier and infect others, saying:

    “When you’re newly vaccinated, you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the population.”

    “Infants that died were not old enough to receive the DPT vaccine.” Remember: Tod Merkel stated that the whooping cough shot made people carriers or in plain English, they are contagious. Who do you think those infants caught whooping cough from? Mom, Dad, sister, brother, grandparents-anyone who had the shot. Viral vaccine shedding via saliva, coughing, sneezing, kissing sweat etc.

    —————————————————–
    The measles vaccine has failed, he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Poland sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues. This is unexpected and a worrisome harbinger — measles outbreaks are occurring where they are least expected,” he wrote in his 2012 paper, listing the “surprising numbers of cases occurring in persons who previously received one or even two documented doses of measles-containing vaccine.” During the 1989-1991 U.S. outbreaks, 20% to 40% of those affected had received one to two doses. In a 2011 outbreak in Canada, “over 50% of the 98 individuals had received two doses of measles vaccine.”
    Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/
    http://business.financialpost (dot) com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/

    -Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.
    Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons.
    Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
    Conclusion: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Because of the failure rate of the vaccine and the unique transmissibility of the measles virus, the currently available measles vaccine, used in a single-dose strategy, is unlikely to completely eliminate measles. The long-term success of a two-dose strategy to eliminate measles remains to be determined. http://archinte.jamanetwork (dot) com/article.aspx?articleid=619215
    Dr. Gregory Poland is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. Poland is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.

    **The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons.**

    Why? Because the vaccine sheds:
    —————————————-
    PLoS study: “Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination,” has brought to light the glaring ineffectiveness of two measles vaccines (measles–rubella (MR) or measles–mumps–rubella (MMR) ) in fulfilling their widely claimed promise of preventing outbreaks in highly vaccine compliant population.

    China has one of the most vaccination compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? “The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high.”
    Zhifang Wang, Rui Yan, Hanqing He, Qian Li, Guohua Chen, Shengxu Yang, and Enfu Chen,*
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/.

    Why are people in a country with 99% vaccination rate having measles outbreaks-viral vaccine shedding. They are infecting each other. All live virus vaccines shed.

    The Emerging Risks of Live Virus & Virus Vectored Vaccines: http://www.nvic (dot) org/vaccine-strain-virus-shedding-and-transmission.aspx.

    This E-book has references from the CDC, research scientist, journal studies and more.

    A few more cases of children developing vaccine strain illness from the vaccine. This time with pictures:
    -An Unexpected Side Effect of My Daughter’s Measles Vaccine: http://www.curezone (dot) org/forums/fm.asp?i=2240596#i. Scroll down there are two sets of pictures.
    -My Sons’ Vaccine-Related Measles: http://www.curezone (dot) org/forums/fm.asp?i=2241161#i.
    -http://www.curezone (dot) org/forums/fm.asp?i=2242544#i. Image is not of the actual baby but the story is of a child given the MMR and later the lab confirmed measles were from the vaccine.
    FYI:
    -March 2015 Settlements in Vaccine Court: 117 Vaccine Injuries and Deaths: http://www.curezone (dot) org/forums/fm.asp?i=2241853#i

  • Ben William

    Distract, deflect, decoy…

  • guest

    Not a distraction, just a fact. The word anti-vaxx was deliberately constructed to create a schism between parents who want choice and those that tote the part line.

    You don’t know what I’m for or against. What I am for is informed consent. You say you are for science yet you provided exceptionally little. I read in another post where you say you can’t post links-that’s not true. If you have a link to anything to substantiate any comment you make post it. Others do it all the time.

    The distraction is the construct ‘anti-vaxx”. If it wasn’t you wouldn’t be ordered to use it. but than, everyone on this comment board knows what you position is and what you represent.

  • Ben William

    I’m what?

    Your comment (I respond to) was about drug company liability. I think you’ve got your attacks confused. lol.

    Are you the best ‘POSTITUTE’ drug money can buy?

  • Sue

    Everything you are saying to me eg believe Dr Tenpenny you are doing.. believing everything you are told.. ONce again calling the kettle black.. And you are suggesting I wait to the case has concluded.. then why do you not do the same.. why do you keep saying so many negative things about the stories you read without conclusion.. once again kettle black..We can not vaccine for everything in life.. we can not keep putting in our babies cocktails of chemicals just encase they may get something.. OMG there will be a vaccine for a runny nose soon.. How about suggesting the mum gets a blood test to see if she is infected.. common sense not just encase…Oh bite each other… children are children.. .. for goodness sake.. Putting such a harsh vaccine in a new born baby is criminal just criminal… In America you even give medication to children for depression.. what planet are you guys on Oh that is right you are on everyone’s planet….NOT Planet America.. and you also do not label what is in your foods.. GMO is disgusting as well.. modifying your food.. it is all big business in the States.. and we do not want it coming to our part of the world.. You have so many sick children in the states child deaths in your country is obscene.. so get off your high horse and do your blinkin research and stop this bull…. for good…People should be able to say NO NO or pick what vaccines and at what age they give to their children.. not be forced to do so…..I believe people have the free choice.. I would never tell someone NOT to vaccinate.. Everyone has the right to do their homework and make their own choices..But You annie just want to CONTROL….

  • guest

    You got all of that from reading her blog? Have you ever read natural news? How about Jon Rapport? I can tell you I have had a couple of A-hole doctors who felt it was their job to tell me what treatments to take and what treatments not to take. Period. No discussion.

    The woman knows her stuff. I’ve been reading her for years. Maybe if you have been abused and maligned for years you may have a tad bit of an attitude. Especially when the people who are attacking you are the ones who are causing harm to the children in this country and others yet they are seen as some kind of saviors for providing the all empowering vaccine to the masses. Knowing full well that the masses will never gain health and happiness from a needle at the end of a syringe filled with toxins.

  • guest

    I am familiar with the chart. Lowell presented the chart as a means to demonstrate the number of shots children receive. Nothing more. You read far too much into it.

  • annie

    She is the very reason I got into the pro- vs anti- debate.
    I had no idea who she was until a few months ago.
    A friend of mine had posted on an article on Tenpenny’s page, which I saw as I follow the friend’s posts.
    I went to the page, read the rest of the thread, and then did a little research.
    I posted some questions, was very polite, and asked “since this study and this study (and provided sources) say this, why do you say that?”
    And, “Can you explain more of this, and give me some studies to read on that?”
    And that was enough to get me banned from her page.
    I didn’t call names, I didn’t use profanities, I had no idea who she was, and I asked for more information.
    Others on that page chose to call me numerous names. (I do have screen shots, but I know you won’t believe those either)

    When I attempted to contact her through her web site for more information, and to ask why I was banned from her page, I was informed that her facebook page is not open for debate, that it is for her opinions, and for those who agree with her only. She refused to provide any other information.

    When I received such a rude response, I started to look into her more, and other pro- and anti-vaxxers.

    Of course, my personal anecdote won’t count, but it is a big reason why I completely disrespect Ms Tenpenny. She had an opportunity to educate, and provide information, and instead, chose to block any attempt at education.

    As a scientist and researcher, she should be open to discussion, and open to debate. The fact that she chose not to be, speaks volumes.

  • annie

    Again, I will await his reply.

  • guest

    Been exposed to the virus-wild or vaccine strain. So What??? When has American become that country that holds its citizens hostage for a simple childhood disease?
    Every single person who is vaccinated with a live vaccine is contagious. It’s called live viral vaccine shedding. Here is a recent example:

    Study titled, “Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011,” http://cid.oxfordjournals (dot) org/content/58/9/1205.long
    the groundbreaking study acknowledged that, “Measles may occur in vaccinated individuals, but secondary transmission from such individuals has not been documented.
    Sciencemag (dot) org article from April 2014 titled “Measles Outbreak Traced to Fully Vaccinated Patient for First Time.”
    Specifics: In order to find out if measles vaccine compliant individuals are capable of being infected and transmitting the infection to others, they evaluated suspected cases and contacts exposed during a 2011 measles outbreak in NYC. They focused on one patient who had received two doses of measles-containing vaccine and found that,

    “Of 88 contacts, four secondary cases were confirmed that had either two doses of measles-containing vaccine or a past positive measles IgG antibody. All cases had laboratory confirmation of measles infection, clinical symptoms consistent with measles, and high avidity IgG antibody characteristic of a secondary immune response.”
    Their remarkable conclusion:

    “This report of measles transmission from a twice vaccinated individual. The clinical presentation and laboratory data of the index were typical of measles in a naïve individual. Secondary cases had robust anamnestic antibody responses. No tertiary cases occurred despite numerous contacts. This outbreak underscores the need for thorough epidemiologic and laboratory investigation of suspected measles cases regardless of vaccination status.”

    Did you follow that? A twice-vaccinated individual, from a NYC measles outbreak, was found to have transmitted measles to four of her contacts, two of which themselves had received two doses of MMR vaccine and had prior presumably protective measles IgG antibody results.
    This phenomenon — the MMR vaccine compliant infecting other MMR vaccine compliant cases – has been ignored by health agencies and the media.
    ——————————–
    PLoS study: “Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination. China has one of the most vaccination compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? “The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/
    ——————————–
    Sibling Transmission of Vaccine-Derived Rotavirus (RotaTeq) Associated With Rotavirus Gastroenteritis
    Pediatrics 2010;125;e438-e441;
    http://pediatrics.aappublications (dot) org/cgi/content/full/125/2/e438
    —————————
    Toddler survives smallpox vaccine reaction:
    http://www.reuters (dot) com/article/2007/05/18/us-smallpox-boy-idUSN1744524120070518
    ————————————————–
    Vaccinia Virus Infection After Sexual Contact with a Military Smallpox Vaccinee — Washington, 2010
    Weekly July 2, 2010 / 59(25);773-775
    http://www.cdc (dot) gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5925a2.ht.
    ————————————————
    Transmission of mumps virus from mumps-vaccinated individuals to close contacts: http://www.sciencedirect (dot) com/science/article/pii/S0264410X11015428
    ————————————-
    Polio outbreak sparked by vaccine, experts say ( updated 10/5/2007) http://www.msnbc.msn(dot) com/id/21149823/
    —————
    Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.
    Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons.
    Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
    Conclusion: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Because of the failure rate of the vaccine and the unique transmissibility of the measles virus, the currently available measles vaccine, used in a single-dose strategy, is unlikely to completely eliminate measles. The long-term success of a two-dose strategy to eliminate measles remains to be determined. http://archinte.jamanetwork (dot) com/article.aspx?articleid=619215.

    *******The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons.

    Immunized persons will contract measles two ways: live viral shedding or developing measles from the vaccines as these children have recently:
    -An Unexpected Side Effect of My Daughter’s Measles Vaccine: http://www.curezone (dot) org/forums/fm.asp?i=2240596#i. Two sets of pictures on this page.
    -My Sons’ Vaccine-Related Measles: http://www.curezone (dot) org/forums/fm.asp?i=2241161#i. pictures.
    -Genotype Testing Showed Baltimore Baby’s Symptoms Were A Reaction To The MMR, Health Officials Relieved.
    http://www.curezone (dot) org/forum/fm.asp?i=2242544#i.

    Image is not of the actual child.

    In all cases the lab confirmed measles but of course the doctors tried to spin it.

    I’d say this young lady was safe at home from all the VACCINATED people who are shedding live viruses all over and infecting others.

    Measles Transmitted By The Vaccinated, Gov. Researchers Confirm: http://www.greenmedinfo (dot) com/blog/measles-transmitted-vaccinated-gov-researchers-confirm.
    ————————————-
    Nearly a century after the release of the whooping cough (B. Pertussis) vaccine, mounting evidence suggests that widespread mandated use of the vaccine could potentially be doing more harm than good in the long term—in addition to having been found lacking in the effectiveness department. As reported by The Washington Post:

    “The research suggests that while the vaccine may keep people from getting sick, it doesn’t prevent them from spreading whooping cough — also known as Pertussis — to others.

    ‘It could explain the increase in Pertussis that we’re seeing in the US,’ said one of the researchers, Tod Merkel of the Food and Drug Administration…

    The study, titled: “Acellular Pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model,” used infant baboons to test the hypothesis that “current acellular pertussis vaccines fail to prevent colonization and transmission” of B. Pertussis. (there is no vaccine for Bordetella Pertussis virus) http://www.pnas (dot) org/content/111/2/787

    Lead author Tod Merkel did comment to the New York Times that when exposed to B. Pertussis after recently getting vaccinated, you could be an asymptomatic carrier and infect others, saying:

    “When you’re newly vaccinated, you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the population.”
    ——————————————–
    BTW: Where and who is Disney Patient Zero? CDC is so sure the measles event, which they most likely created, began at Disney so where and who is Patient Zero. They identified her (not by name) in NY so who is Mickey Mouse’s Number 1?

  • annie

    Wow – you are truly paranoid. I feel bad for you.

    You try so hard to put words in my mouth. Show me where I said vaccines should be mandatory. You know I have never said that.

    I know I had said this to you before, but I am not in the USA, even though you keep saying that I am.

    And speaking of research, did you google that Hep B information? You didn’t. I can tell by your comments.
    Science could whack you over the head, and you would be too stupid to see it. You choose to be misinformed.

    Why would I not believe a reporter, who, if found guilty of lying, would not just lose his job, but his career? If he has video evidence, and other professionals who were on scene willing to corroborate his story, why would I not believe him?

    Wakefield’s medical career is already over – he has nothing to lose with the medical community.
    So, rant and rave at me all you want. I will continue to consider you a sad misinformed individual, who chooses to make decisions on emotion and perception, not on facts.

  • guest

    Of course you don’t.

    “It is difficult for a person to consider something other than what they are instructed to consider, when their paycheck depends on their not considering something other than what they are told to consider by their handler.”

  • Sue

    http://www.smartvax.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=40

    Childhood infection with Hepatitis B (“Hep B”) is rare in the USA and yet within moments of birth, American babies are routinely vaccinated for the disease. Hepatitis B is primarily transmitted through unsafe sex or by sharing needles during intravenous drug use, but can also be transmitted from a pregnant mother to the fetus. The HepB vaccine was added in 1991 to protect the infant from the possibility of developing Hepatitis B disease in the case of HepB-positive mother.
    However, in 2007 there was only a 1 in 480 risk of a live birth to a HepB-positive mother according to reported cases (the CDC estimated that due to potential unreported cases, the risk could be as high as 1 in 216). [1] [2] Because of the low risk of the pregnant mother being HepB-positive, many developed countries (such as the UK, Denmark, Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Ireland, Iceland, and Japan [3] [4]) routinely test pregnant women for HepB and administer the vaccine to the newborn only if the mother is HepB-positive

  • annie

    Yeah heaven forbid someone do a little more research, and just take one article at face value.
    And, this paycheck you talk about – when can I expect to receive that? It would come in handy.
    You make accusations without evidence.
    And, if you cared to actually read the rest of my post, it states “I will do a little more homework on this.”
    Are you recommending I just take Age of Autism and Natural News at face value without following up? That seems like an anti-vax thing to do.

  • annie

    Why Infants Should Receive the Hepatitis B Vaccine at Birth (Christine Vera, 2010)
    (I can’t get the link to be live here)
    “According to information provided by the Immunization Action Coalition and the CDC, an estimated 1.25 million people are chronically infected with the hepatitis B virus in the United States alone, resulting in an estimated 2,000-4,000 deaths each year. Surprisingly, 30%-40% of these chronic infections were acquired during childhood. This fact alone presents a compelling case for vaccinating infants – before they become infected.

    Parents need to understand that the hepatitis B virus can be spread by infectious blood and body fluids, and not solely through sexual contact. As a parent myself, I can recall countless times that I have tended to children, both my own and others, who have suffered scrapes, cuts, nose bleeds and even bites from frustrated playmates. These are realistic opportunities for exposure since the CDC has stated that the virus remains viable and infectious in the environment for at least 7 days and can remain present in inanimate objects absent of visible blood. Since only 7 out of 10 infected adults show any signs or symptoms, and infected children under age 5 rarely show any symptoms at all, it is obvious how the infected population can easily, and unknowingly, be transmitting the disease to others.

    One of the issues that Deborah Wexler, from the Immunization Action Coalition, addresses is that many of those who become infected with the hepatitis B virus contract the disease from their unknowingly infected mother at birth. Dr. Wexler explains, “There are so many parents and healthcare professionals who think this vaccine is wrongly given at birth for an STD that might be acquired later in life. But the most important reason for it is to prevent HBV infection early in life with the possible life-long complications of chronic disease in the form of liver failure and liver cancer that affect so many who are infected at birth. I wish this message were more broadly disseminated, but it is a difficult message to discuss due to its complexity, the need to explain how medical errors might occur and why testing isn’t infallible, or how exposures could occur in an infant.”

  • annie

    So what you are telling me is a 1 in 480 (or 0.208%) risk is acceptable, but a 0.000066% of 6.6 ten thousandths of one percent chance of vaccine injury is not acceptable.

    Now, you will ask where I got the 0.000066 from.
    Based on the Vaccine Compensation figures, there were 1300 payouts for 1,968,399,297 vaccines given during the same period.

    Even if vaccine payouts were 10 times as much, or 100 times as much, they aren’t even remotely as close as the risk of Hepatitis B.

    Huh….

  • Sue

    Why do parents have to get Hep B Vaccine with their new born babies when there 1 in 480 risk of getting it.. but now there is 1 in 68 children getting autism.. and that is not all the other ailments they can get.. the list is so long…The mothers to be can get a blood test.. so easy and then if they have Hep B can choose what they do.. For goodness sake annie.. stop you ridiculous accusation of the kind of person you persevere me to be.. And honey no need to feel sorry for me.. it is the poor babies and children you need to feel sorry for.. So you are not from the states.. who cares….

    I believe you have an superiority complex which is a psychological defense mechanism in which a person’s feelings of superiority counter or conceal his or her feelings of inferiority.

    People abuse annie like yourself because they believe they have the right to control the others….

    I believe people have a choice with their own health to vaccinate or not to vaccinate .. etc as i have said in past posts.. FREEDOM OF CHOICE>>>>

    I just have a heart that cares about our future generations..Anything you chuck at me I say go for it.. as this is to important to worry about people like you….

    I can only but imagine what abusive comments you will come back with as to well just what you do my dear….

  • Sue

    I stopped ready when I saw you got your stats from the CDA.. Oh yeh.. really come on annie you are not even from the states … haha

  • annie

    HAHAHA
    Thank you for proving you are not just stupid, but narrow-minded.
    I think those blinders on your head are too tight.

    Well Wally, I could quote from a UK source, if that helps:
    “In the UK around 1 person in 350 is thought to have chronic hepatitis B infection.
    The greatest decline has happened among children and adolescents, due to routine hepatitis B vaccination.”
    (source: patient.co.uk – search Hep B)

  • annie

    *Yawn*
    Yes 1 in 68 has autism.

    Show me where the incidents of autism are significantly higher in vaccinated populations than unvaccinated populations. If vaccines cause autism, vaccinated populations should have statistically higher rates of autism – and they don’t.
    You and I have had this discussion before.

    Japan stopped the MMR vaccination because they had concerns about autism, but they found that rates increased, AFTER they stopped the vaccination. How do you explain that (oh wait, it’s a conspiracy!)

    And again, SHOW ME where I said mandatory vaccinations. You know I never said that, but you keep bringing it up, over and over and over again, like a broken record.

    And, you can say what you want, and use your complete lack of education to try to analyse me – big hairy deal. Like that matters.
    What matters, is that you are so narrow-minded, so close-minded, you won’t even READ other documents.
    You talk about worrying about children and the future. You have a strange way of showing it.

  • annie

    Emotion and truth are not the same thing.

  • annie

    Your first link:

    You read it wrong. The Abstract is poorly written, and I think you misinterpreted it that all 88 contacts were infected. Only 4 contacts were infected. (if you go to the full text, you will find it)

    88 people were evaluated, but the conclusion states that “four secondary cases were confirmed.” From those 4, an additional 231 contacts were identified, with no further cases found.

    OMG 4 cases!!!!!! out of how many vaccinations! WOW!!!!

    Your second link confirms the first – 4 contacts were
    infected, not 88.

    Your third link – sexual transmission of smallpox
    Yes, it proves transmission
    No, it does not prove public health risk unless we all sleep with someone who recently got the smallpox vaccination (I could insert a joke about sailors here, but I have friends who serve in the military, so I won’t)

    The next link: Brother to Sister Transmission
    Had a little trouble getting into this one.

    My request was: “please explain why shedding is such a
    bad thing, when so many non-vaxxers try to get the illness.
    Your response was: “Provide Independent study to
    substantiate that unvaccinated children are contracting illness at a higher rate than vaccinated.”

    Nice diversion tactic. Why are you avoiding my question?

    And please provide your criteria for “independent study”

    Your next comment: “How about children being infected by the vaccine and developing the illness they were vaccinated for”

    – yup, it happens
    But, if you would continue to do your research, you would find that they get the illness for a shorter duration and far less serious adverse effects. How is that a bad thing?

    And your examples totalling 3 children is such a good sample size! So impressive.

    There is no doubt that the whooping cough vaccine has not had the same efficacy as other vaccines.

    The Merkel study shows some of the shortfalls of the
    pertussis vaccines. The baboon study has not been replicated in humans to date, but I will agree that it does need to be looked at in more detail.

    Next link: Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination.
    Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons.
    This goes back to the Nirvana theory of Anti-Vax
    “if it isn’t 100% effective we don’t want it”

    You commented: “**The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons.**
    Why? Because the vaccine sheds:”

    Wow – you are an immunologist? Huh – can you provide me with the articles you have published? Nice stretch there.

    I am always entertained by the anti-vax “if it isn’t 100% effective, it has FAILED” mentality.

    Oh yes, the China outbreaks.

    “The outbreak of measles is related to the lack of vaccination. The incidence of measles is likely to rise, mostly in adults, because China has such a large mobile population and many have missed their vaccinations,”
    said Professor Cai Haodong, an expert in infectious diseases at Beijing Ditan Hospital.

    You asked “So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone?”

    Let’s look at the figures. In 2014, China had a population of 1.China has a population of 1.3694 billion people and
    had 52,485 lab confirmed cases of measles.
    That is 0.0038% of the total population.
    So, if 1% is not immunized, there really aren’t that many measles cases (remember, some outbreaks were only 20 or 30 people, which in the US or Canada, would be huge, but with a population like China, is miniscule)

    In 2013, the population in China was 1.357 billion, and there were 27,825 lab confirmed cases of measles. That is
    0.002% of the population. Again, when you compare that to the entire population – miniscule.

    (source: reported cases by WHO member sites)

    And, the question you so conveniently ignored: Please
    provide studies that show that the risk of contracting an illness is GREATER from a freshly vaccinated person than from an infected non-vaccinated person.

  • Sue

    The greatest decline of anything in history is education.. healthy drinking water. hygiene.. healthy exercise. healthy eating..Doctors suggestion to patients blood test of parent to be and/or while pregnant..You just don’t get it do you annie.. it does not matter what stats you have there is no stats on the after effects and the rest of their poor little lives.There has never been any long term study on what happens to our poor children with so many mixed vaccines in their wee bodies at once… after getting such chemicals put in their wee bodies.. YOU just don’t get it.. I just don’t think you care.. sad lady sad… would you put these chemicals into a babies bottle and let them drink it.. you just dont get it.. the devastation some vaccines cause is over whelming.. You are just silly to think there will not be severe consequences.. I truly believe annie you would have to be a troll.. Is annie even your real name?????

  • Sue

    Oh annie you do not have either .. emotion or truth..

  • Sue

    So if her temperament is not to your liking she is a liar.. OMG …. when it comes to vaccine dangers I am not looking at what someones temperament is I am looking at the safety of our babies and children… I thought they just may have been a little more important.. . So the truth has nothing to do with it .. if someone is to your liking you will believe them… WOW is all i can say….Steve Weinberg

  • Sue

    Oh my goodness me so that is why you are on your track because you did not like what happened to you on Face Book… Oh you poor dear upset you did it.. So now you will show her and any body that respects her work.. I finally understand .. it is not about the children it is about your own agenda.. pay back.. I to only heard of Dr Tenpeeny when she was going to visit Australia.. and have found her site nothing but informative and fantastic.. but then we are very different people you and I…So you expected her Dr Tenpenny with her scheduled to answer all your questions..

    YOu do have a sense about yourself dont you annie .. a high opinion..

  • Sue

    So you are telling me that even though most people with chronic hepatitis B can expect to live a long and healthy life. You still think it is exceptable to have children who are vaccine damaged so people will be protected (if they are protected).. and you do not think it is more about education and blood test.. if someone is a care giver of children.. ask them also to have a blood test..BUT You would rather babies be put at risk because you say so.. Far out..

  • sabelmouse

    i’ll leave you to those with more spoons and more patience.

  • annie

    Haha no stats. You are funny. Yeah 50+ years of stats is nothing.
    You talk about education but you are the one who is uneducated.

  • annie

    Lol although I have Tenpenny’s narrow mindedness to thank for introducing me to the stupidity of the average anti-vaxxer, it is people like you who keep me coming back.
    It is a great social study on how and why people choose to believe pseudo-science.

  • thewildeman2

    Well good for you

  • Sue

    Oh annie annie annie.yes no stats.. ..have ever been done about what affects..are of so many vaccines at once.. what happens to our babies in the future.. it goes on and on and on.. the stats are always to help Big Pharma…. miss educated annie..You talk about working with people who live on the streets.. but of course not in the States cause you dont live there right?? But you accuse people of not being educated.. I can only imagine how you treat those poor people.. ..talk down to them do you …telling them how educated you are and they must do as you say…. Oh annie you are a bubble head my dear.. ..with no heart.. and out to get Doc Tenpenny cause she would not talk with poor little annie..

  • sad story!!

  • thewildeman2

    Oh look, wall o text. Before the Wakefield incident, Measles was on the way out. It was barely an issue and super rare. Now, it’s making a comeback. You may not think measles is serious, but fortunately the rest of us do. All of what you just posted is misinformation or outright lies. If it were the vaccinated who spread the disease then you could show me the 77 million people who had measles in the US since 2006? Because that’s how many MMR shots have been given since 2006. So no, just no.

  • thewildeman2

    Prove I’m paid. If you’re going to make an accusation of me you best prove it. You shouted ‘WRONG’ and I agreed that you are wrong. Simple.

  • Sue

    No sweetie you introduced me to your true colours. how you so so upset cause Doc Tenpenny woudnt discuss anything with poor little annie.. Oh dear….and annie is going to get her back..so not sure what you mean .. And I am for free choice .. i am not anti vaccine for those who would like to vaccinated.. it is called free choice..You are intelligent enough to understand free choice??it is you who want a police state.. and control; people annie dear.. form cradle to the grave..

  • thewildeman2

    Who says I’m here or obligated to provide anything to you? And I didn’t say “distraction”, I said “deflection”. Look them up. I’ve come across enough people who admitted to me that they are anti-vax that the term sticks. “Informed consent” or “pro choice” is just a veil for “do your research and don’t vaccinate your kids”. I’ve been through the discussion enough to know it when I see it. YOU don’t want to vaccinate your kids (if you have any). That’s what it comes down to. I don’t care where you think the construct came from, it exists and is well supported by people like VacTruth. And it gets worse, google “protect them never inject them” if you don’t believe me and see how well supported the term is.

  • thewildeman2

    No. One of your side’s prime arguments is “follow the money”. But you can’t handle it when you are shown that the people you support are absolutely NO better. So it’s not a decoy at all. It’s a firm counter argument. And it gets better. Show me a corporation that makes no profits from its products. The way you people talk, you expect companies to put out their products for free. Just a little unrealistic. Oh no! A corporation makes money off it’s products, what ever will we do? Furthermore, that is no evidence that vaccines should be abandoned. It’s not evidence that they don’t work. It’s a money trail that exists in every corporate issue. Do you drive a car? Better stop, they make big money selling you a car and getting you wrapped up in car loans.

  • chrisalien

    ..so you have been lectured about her eh?..or should I say , “propagandized”. What I said still stands. Prove me wrong.!

  • annie

    You are so melodramatic. It entertains me.
    You try so hard to put words in my mouth. Show me where i ever said I wanted forced vaccinations. (And this is the third time i have asked that )
    But please, go ahead. Continue your tantrum.

  • Sue

    Are you telling me you have never suggested if there are unvaccinated children people that they can make othhrs sick.. come on annie.. we both know you can not have to both ways.. it is clear who I am for free choice my dear.. but you are certainty pro vaccine or am I wrong annie?? Please tell me who you are..Words in your mouth .. you do that well enough yourself you need no help from me annie…….

    Melodramatic … and I entertains you.You must have a sad life…I actually feel a little sorry for you annie… I know the cat is out of the bag.. you are doing all you can to get Doc Tenpenny as she would not chat with poor wee annie.. annie there are more important reasons to post.. like you care.. but to post because you are angry with a doctor is … well at the least stupid.. and the other end .. a little concerning.. do you have anyone you can talk to about how you feel annie.. I hope so.. Bye for now annie.. and take care of yourself honey…

  • annie

    Once again you are so melodramatic.
    Lots of accusations but no evidence.
    Lots of emotion, no facts.
    Do your tantrums give you hypertension? You should be careful.

  • annie

    There is a big difference between wanting people to vaccinate and forcing them. I realize that is a distinction you can’t comprehend.
    That’s right, you should go rest. That tantrum must have tired you out.

  • Sue

    Oh annie annie annie..I am caring yes.. very .. I will say again.. I understand now why you are on here dear.. it is because you are personally angry with Dr Tenpenny..and sadly you know it annie.. Did you say you worked in the medical field.. just wondering are you are diagnosing me with hypertension…mmm no wonder you agree with the medical community giving so many vaccines annie.. I am getting to understand you better annie…

  • Sue

    There is a big difference between wanting people to vaccinate and forcing them yes so so true.. finally you get it.. Oh annie so you do agree with me annie freedom of choice .. OH why didn’t you say so annie.. we will have to celebrate.. we agree.. Yah.. I am for free choice .. so glad you are annie yah

  • Excuses and more false excuses, Annie. Excuses made over and over, to avoid and not to face the questions that have been put forth here. You can easily go right to the CDC’s Vaccine Schedule page, and verify those numbers to be correct.

    Just because I asked for the studies, you simply blow it off by falsely assuming none of it will be accepted and nor addressed. You created your own so called impasse, here. You refuse to actually contibute to any real debate of this issue, and nor in any real honestyand reality.

    Or is it that you already know that people like us have already seen and know of all your bogus epidemiological and other studies that claimed to be so called vaccine safety studies, but actually in reading them were nothing of the sort. The truth and the proof is in actually reading them.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/index.html

  • annie

    Ahh but remember (and we have had this discussion before).. you have the right to choose But there are repurcussions to every decision.
    Your refusal to vaccinate may prevent you from accessing certain schools, public areas, and some hospital areas. I am ok with that.

  • Ben William

    I have no problem with Dr. Mercola having money and a nice place to live. He makes products and put’s out info people WANT and will pay money to get. There is NOTHING wrong with good old fashioned capitalism.

    If vaccines were the cat’s meow as you seem to think they are, why then do the drug companies have to lobby crooked politicians to write ‘NO FAULT’ protection laws on their poison and legislate MANDATES to FORCE products on a population that clearly does NOT want them? My textbook calls this big pharma bribe system ‘FASCISM’.

    I don’t see the Mercola’s of the world stooping this low to FORCE anyone to buy what they are selling just to keep massive stock portfolios in the black.

  • Ben William

    I don’t have to. You’re proving it all on your own.

  • guest

    Whatever floats your boat and gets you through the day.

  • Your question has been clearly answered above. Get to providing what many of us that have researched vaccines, have already seen from yur side of many times. And you are again likely going to waste my time going in an conducting an analysuis on each study, and in showing you why that the study actually represents nothing at all. Try me, and the rest of us here, and get started. Stop making exuses and answering a question, with a question!

    Lets start with this information in addition, as well. In this well done analysis, if you read it, what was found was in every case and study, that there were used flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, obviously predetermined study outcomes, unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding source, or sources. Top that off, you need to realize that these larger epidemiological studies only looked at the MMR vaccine, and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal, and NOTHING else. Where again are the studies I asked you for? As well where are the physiologically based safety profile studies on vaccine aluminum adjuvants? Do you also have any studies in regard to the potential risks and effects of vaccine contamination? YOU HAVE NOTHING! PROVE me wrong!!! Go ahead and as well demonstrate here exactly what I predicted you would do, if anything; because that is all you can do, and to attempt to pass it all off as bonified vaccine safety science.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

  • Capt Ron

    Interesting to note that ALL your references originate from anti-vax sites. Cherry picked and misrepresented to fit your science-free paradigm. And I also saw that one was drawn from that infamous Italian court case that was just overturned last month by a higher court due the ruling that the scientific data used for the decision was highly dubious and much higher quality research was ignored. My listings are all from reputable scientific publication sources.

  • annie

    Your comprehension level is very poor.

    You ask for studies. My question to you was will you accept them as valid?
    Your answer tells me you won’t.
    So tell me why i should waste my time.

  • Thats odd, I am posting links, and they go up here?

    And this is the so called vaccine study informational garbage, and CDC created smoke screen, that you intend for the public and the parents to trust in that there are no significant safety issues with vaccines? You can go ahead and trust that, but for those of that have done the independent and unbiased research, that is nothing but a false smoke screen. Again, where are the vaccine safety studies that I suggested are in need of being done, and yet clearly have not been done?

    Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) Project

    CISA Current Activities

    CDC’s Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) Project was established in 2001 to address the unmet vaccine safety clinical research needs of the United States.

    CISA is a national network of vaccine safety experts from the CDC’s Immunization Safety Office (ISO), seven medical research centers, and other partners, which provides a comprehensive vaccine safety public health service to the nation.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Activities/CISA.html

  • Sue

    Now now annie.. that makes you fan of segregation that is something I find abhorrent.. If this is the kind of world you want

    Is this you annie in your society of vaccines/ segregation… “When you grow up in a totally segregated society, where everybody around you believes that segregation is proper, you have a hard time. You can’t believe how much it’s a part of your thinking.” — Shelby Foote

    So what you are saying annie.. yes choose but you are segregated….Oh wow annie you want such freedom….. I believed this was you I hoped it was not..

    segregation to separate or set apart from others or from the main body or group;isolate: or

    segregation to separate or set apart from others or from the main body or group;isolate:

  • Why is that, when all you ever have yourself, is obviously simply and only opinion based? Just because the CDC or Paul Offit stated and/or agreed with something you now claim to being a factual claim, does not make it truth, and nor does it make it a fact.

  • Sue

    That is what annie does she avoids by coming back with ridiculous attacks.. or accuses those she is talking with in doing so.. there is no logic to annie.. in fact she just talks rubbish has admitted she has a bone to pick with Dr Tenpenny that is why she is posting…

  • At least Mercola makes his money by selling natural health care products, and in providing health care information that actually helps people keep, and/or regain their health, and a real health care protocol that doesnt injure and harm people like the known pharmaceutical industry and its doctors do. Look it up, (and the statistics numbers) modern medicine is a leading cause of DEATH. How many people has naturopathic health care and their products injured or killed.

    How many malpractice lawsuits get filed against naturally based doctors and providers; verses the number filed against the pharma directed allopathic doctors?

    I gave you all the links to the pages on that information before, and of course you ignored it.

  • thewildeman2

    There are just as many lawsuits against so called ‘natural’ or homeopathic medicines that aren’t regulated by anyone with any authority whatsoever. And there’s a big difference between ignoring your information (as you try to turn that around on me) and having seen it and seen it debunked already. I hope you never need serious medical help with your disbelief in modern medicine or medical science because you’ll have to eat your words. And you still avoid my last question to you, since you want me to put time into long winded rebuttals or links. Show me it’s worth my time and that you are unbiased (which you aren’t) and would even half way consider any proof I would post? You see, I’m not here to prove anything to your false authority, moreso I’m here to prove your typical behavior for those who are using their brains for more than ballast in their skulls. You’ve been helping me with that quite nicely. Most of you prove that you are unstable and borderline psychopaths at the least. It’s easy to see.

  • thewildeman2

    Refer to other response. I’ve now answered this and won’t repost it.

  • thewildeman2

    Dr. Moulden was a quack who suffered untreated severe bipolar disorder and killed himself. VAcfacts is not credible any further than I could throw a house. I already explained the links and don’t give two sh*ts if you believe me or not. Refer to other response where I explain further and repeat the question you still ignore of me.

  • thewildeman2

    With what. Be specific.

  • thewildeman2

    Backwards thinking at its finest. You’re okay dokay with Mercola ripping people off because you believe in that way of thinking. And you are a minority in whether or not people want vaccinations. I’ll be glad when it becomes a matter of law so people like you are less of a threat to public health. Because evidently you are too stupid to comprehend diseases even by basic logic. Go drink your colloidal silver.

  • mjp

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  • Ben William

    No, when someone build’s a product or entrainment people are will to pay for, that’s the American way. FORCING product by bribing politicians so they passing laws that state “YOU WILL OR ELSE” is Fascism.

    Most Americans do NOT want to be forced (MANDATED) to take pharmaceuticals, that just a fact go life.

    You postitutes call ANYONE who does NOT want the corporate schedule of vaccines as “ANTI-VAXXERS’ as if that is going win big pharma points with anyone.

    How does NOT taking 50 shots from the time a baby pop’s out to when it is ONLY six years old going to cause a public health problem? I argue your big pharma pimp daddies have CREATED a multitude of health problems by such reckless vaccine policies. i.e. the rise in infant mortality rates. hem, hem,

    Back in the 1960’s and 70’s baby’s didn’t get shot up at birth and we kids got only a handful of ONE AND DONE vaccines. The vaccine manufactures proclaimed victory because according to them (at that time) there were NO health public health concerns what-so-ever.

    So why do pregnant women, infants and children need vaccine overload? Oh yeah, profits.

  • guest

    You are a paid operative. A troll., That’s why you do what you do. There isn’t anything you can say on this comment that will compel anyone to believe you other than confessing you’re a troll.

  • guest

    I wonder why that is. First of all, if you’ve ever spent any time on Whale you would know it present both sides of all arguments. That’s how the site was set up. It is a repository of information-not a pro- or con site. Vaccines are not the sole topic on the site. You’d know that if you went there.

    Now rather than nit pick the sites the information is recorded at and call it cherry picking which is just another excuse, discredit the information. That’s the bottom line. When pro- vaccine operative provide studies, I actually take the time to go and read the study, research the researchers and also their funding source. In other words, I follow the money.

    Discredit the studies, not the sources they are housed at.

  • thewildeman2

    -Your personal rights end where public health begins.
    -Actually the polls have been taken and your side has already lost in them because reasonable people don’t want their kids exposed to preventable diseases. Look up Dr. Richard Pan’s FB page and you’ll find the California votes on the subject for just one state’s view.
    -The term ‘anti-vaxxer’ or vaccine resistor has been well earned by your side. Google “Vaccine resistance movement and go yell at them about it. If you walk like one, talk one, you get the idea.
    -Here’s a clue for you, it’s not the 1960’s anymore. It’s 2015. And while there’s high numbers in production, it doesn’t mean that they are all being pushed on you or anyone else. There are currently 13 childhood vaccinations, not 60. If your side would quit desperately exaggerating everything you get your hands on, someone might even take you seriously, a little.
    -Profits. BULL. So long as Mercola is a multi-billionaire of pseudoscience that isn’t mandated by anyone, calling out the money proves nothing. It’s a straw man argument. You don’t even know how much it costs to make vaccines for millions of people. You don’t know word one about the industry and your straight up talking out your ass.

  • guest

    “I’ve come across enough people who admitted to me that they are anti-vax that the term sticks.”
    -I’m very happy for you. However that’ not my position.

    “Informed consent”
    -It’s a Federal Law. Check it out.

    “don’t vaccinate your kids”. I’ve been through the discussion enough to know it when I see it. YOU don’t want to vaccinate your kids (if you have any).”
    -That’s not the issue. The issue is and continue to be Freedom of Medical Choice and Informed Consent. There is also the issue of suppression of vital information from the public with the assistance of the MSM and the US government in regards to drugs: Current examples:

    *My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998. I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics.
    The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed: http://www.morganverkamp (dot) com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/.

    (Dr. Thompson is represented by Frederick M. Morgan,Jr., Morgan Verkamp, LLC, Cincinnati, Ohio,)

    -February 2nd, 2004 letter to Dr. Julie Gerberding:
    http://www.naturalnews (dot) com/images/CDC-Gerberding-warning-vaccines-autism.JPG

    -October 18, 2002 letter to Melinda Wharton, Coleen Boyle and others, where William Thompson announces he is hiring his own lawyer and implies a CDC cover-up of a D.O.J. investigation: http://www.naturalnews (dot) com/images/CDC-DOJ-Investigation-MMR-Vaccine-Autism-NN-Watermark.jpg.

    In a story late in 2014 that no mainstream media outlet reported, a Pennsylvania federal judge ruled in favor of whistleblowers who have accused Merck of lying about the efficacy of its mumps vaccine (currently only available in combo with MMR). We had to find this story posted on a couple of websites servicing attorneys.

    The scientists claim Merck defrauded the U.S. government by causing it to purchase an estimated four million doses of mislabeled and misbranded MMR vaccine per year for at least a decade, and helped ignite two recent mumps outbreaks that the allegedly ineffective vaccine was intended to prevent in the first place.

    Merck knowingly falsified its mumps vaccine test results to fabricate a “95% efficacy rate” say former Merck virologists Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski in their shocking False Claims Act document. In order to do this, Merck spiked the blood test with animal antibodies in order to artificially inflate the appearance of immune system antibodies:

    This week (Sept. 4, 2014), U.S. District Judge C. Darnell Jones II ruled that the whistleblowers had sufficiently pled that Merck might have provided false statements to the government and that the direct purchasers had shown enough evidence to establish that these falsehoods could have helped the company gain a monopoly.
    Remainder of the article at: http://healthimpactnews (dot) com/2014/judge-lawsuit-against-mercks-mmr-vaccine-fraud-to-continue/

    Antitrust, FCA Claims On Merck Mumps Vaccine To Advance-http://www.law360 (dot) com/classaction/articles/574389

    -Memorandum issued by Judge explaining his ruling-http://www.rescuepost (dot) com/files/59-opinion.pdf

    -Class Says Merck Lied About Mumps Vaccine: http://www.courthousenews (dot) com/2012/06/27/47851.htm

    There is another suit against Merck:
    Chatom Primary Care, based in Alabama. http://www.naturalnews (dot) com/gallery/documents/Chatom.

    It alleges, among other things:
    -[Merck engaged in] …a decade-long scheme to falsify and misrepresent the true efficacy of its vaccine.

    -Merck fraudulently represented and continues to falsely represent in its labeling and elsewhere that its Mumps Vaccine has an efficacy rate of 95 percent of higher.

    -In reality, Merck knows and has taken affirmative steps to conceal — by using improper testing techniques and falsifying test data — that its Mumps Vaccine is, and has been since at least 1999, far less than 95 percent effective.

    -Merck designed a testing methodology that evaluated its vaccine against a less virulent strain of the mumps virus. After the results failed to yield Merck’s desired efficacy, Merck abandoned the methodology and concealed the study’s findings.
    …incorporating the use of animal antibodies to artificially inflate the results…
    …destroying evidence of the falsified data and then lying to an FDA investigator…
    …threatened a virologist in Merck’s vaccine division with jail if he reported the fraud to the FDA…
    …the ultimate victims here are the millions of children who every year are being injected with a mumps vaccine that is not providing them with an adequate level of protection. And while this is a disease that, according to the Centers for Disease Control (‘CDC’), was supposed to be eradicated by now, the failure in Merck’s vaccine has allowed this disease to linger, with significant outbreaks continuing to occur.

    *Chatom Primary Care also alleges that the fraudulent Merck vaccine contributed to the 2006 mumps outbreak in the Midwest, and a 2009 outbreak elsewhere. It says, “there has remained a significant risk of a resurgence of mumps outbreaks…”

    Chatom Lawsuit against Merck: http://www.naturalnews (dot) com/gallery/documents/Chatom-Lawsuit-Merck-Mumps.pdf

    “HPV Vaccine Supreme Court Trial for Fraud in India”
    In a huge developing story that has been completely blacked out of the U.S. mainstream media, there is currently a case before the India Supreme Court regarding deaths and injuries occurring during drug trials carried out over Merck’s HPV vaccine Gardasil. Vaccine trials were
    conducted on thousands of girls between the ages of 9 and 15. Many of the girls fell ill, and at least 7 died, and the lawsuit is alleging that in most of these cases, the girls and their parents did not even know what kind of vaccine trial they were participating in.

    Most of the girls were students, and an investigation showed that as many as 120 girls who participated in the HPV vaccine trials “experienced adverse reactions such as epileptic seizures, severe stomach ache, headaches and mood swings. The Sama report also said there
    had been cases of early onset of menstruation following the vaccination, heavy bleeding and severe menstrual cramps among many students.”

    -Cervical cancer drug trials risky, says plea in court:
    http://www.thehindu (dot) com/news/national/cervical-cancer-drug-trials-risky-says-plea-in-court.

    -Controversial vaccine studies: Why is Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation under fire from critics in India? http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes (dot) com/2014-08-31/news/53413161_1_hpv-vaccine-cervarix-human-papilloma-virus.

    This is what it’s about. Suppression of information that has a direct impact on the health and well being of those who will be the future of this country. 1 child in 6 is chronically ill. What will their health status be like when they are adults trying to earn a living, have a family and be positive contributors to society if they are ill and disabled? If parents had information they are entitled to, to make informed choices in regards to vaccines, ADHD drugs and now drugs that are being given to toddlers as young as 2, children would be healthier. What will become of these children when they are adults? http://www.nytimes (dot) com/2014/05/17/us/among-experts-scrutiny-of-attention-disorder-diagnoses-in-2-and-3-year-olds.html?_r=2.

    This is my potion. Stop suppressing information and killing people for profit. Leave medical choice to the parents. Give them the truth and based on what they feel fits their needs they will make a informed choice, one way or another.

    “In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
    George Orwell

  • thewildeman2

    To which I’ve already replied. “informed consent” just means you don’t want to do it. You’ll tell people to ‘do their research’ but you’re biased toward the negatives, even when they are still horrible exaggerated.

  • thewildeman2

    -One of the cases against Merck has been dismissed. They already speculate that similar will of the others. As for the rest, it’s ridiculous that you believe all this crap. I don’t know how long it took you to copy paste all that but I don’t have time to rebut all of it. It’s a headache and just another tactical ploy (flood with as much bs as possible to make it headache inducing to try and rebut it. Right?
    Fortunately for me, these matters are already being handled and you can just go cry in your soup. When it becomes a matter of law, you won’t be as much of a threat to public health. And nothing is being hidden. If the government really wanted to hide something, you really and honestly believe that you’d find it on the internet? Stupid.

  • annie

    With regard to the safety of the CDC schedule.
    Let’s look at the IOM study.

    The Institute of Medicine convened a Committee on Assessment of Studies of Health Outcomes Related to the Recommended Childhood Immunization Schedule to conduct an independent evaluation of studying the safety of the childhood immunization schedule.

    Now, before you say “Corrupt because it is related to the
    CDC” consider the following:
    – As the health branch of the National Academy of Sciences, the IOM is independent and nonprofit — and it also works outside of the government. (three big items to keep their study arms-length)
    – the committee members who review the evidence to
    make their assessments are not all necessarily experts specifically in the field in question and are “selected to avoid any real or perceived biases or conflicts.” That means the 14 committee members are not all vaccine
    researchers, pediatricians or infectious disease epidemiologists. In the report’s appendix, you can read the bios of all the committee members, who include a nursing professor, a biostatistician, a professor of law and
    bioethics, a doctor specializing in allergies, and an economist, as well as pediatricians and epidemiologists.
    – They also have not received funding, grants, honoraria, speakers’ fees, travel funds or other compensation from
    pharmaceutical companies.
    – The IOM process included reviewing available scientific findings in published and unpublished literature, then holding three public stakeholder meetings in 2012 (February, March and May) to listen to suggestions and concerns from a wide spectrum of individuals and organizations.
    – The Committee evaluated new data related to studying the safety of the recommended childhood immunization schedule as well, including commissioning a paper on potential study designs.

    And what did the report find?
    – The IOM report, “The Childhood Immunization Schedule and Safety,”(January 16, 2013) expressed support for the childhood immunization schedule as a tool to protect against vaccine preventable diseases.

    The Committee also reconfirmed a finding of the National Vaccine Advisory Committee (NVAC) that conducting a study which required some children to receive fewer vaccines than the recommended schedule, as would be needed for a randomized controlled trial, would be unethical. (so there goes your idea for a completely
    random double blind study)

    If you go to the IOM website, you can find the complete
    document if you search by date, and it references the studies used, including a short breakdown of each study.

    Now, you also mentioned Gardasil.

    The CDC website states “More than 23 million doses were
    administered nationally since the HPV vaccine was licensed in June 2006. There were a total of 12,424 reports to VAERS of adverse events following HPV
    vaccination through December 2008.”

    It goes on to report that of those 12,424 events, 94% of
    those were considered non-serious (this includes syncope (or fainting) after needle injections, especially in pre-teens and teens, local reactions at the site of immunization (pain and redness), dizziness, nausea, headache).

    To put that into a percentage form, of those 23 million
    doses, 5/100ths of 1% of doses caused a reported reaction. Of those reactions, only 3/1000th of 1% caused a serious reaction (this includes life threatening, or results in death, permanent disability, abnormal conditions at birth, hospitalization or prolonged hospitalization).

    So, where do we cross the line of “this is too many adverse reactions?”

    Consider that in 2006-2007 alone, over 10,000 children under the age of 6 were admitted to hospital for adverse reactions to Children’s Tylenol. If we are using the above scale for too many adverse reactions, shouldn’t Tylenol be banned? (Source: “Emergency Department Visits for
    Overdoses of Acetaminophen-Containing Products” Daniel S. Budnitz, MD, MPH, Maribeth C. Lovegrove, MPH, Alexander E. Crosby, MD, MPH, published Am J Prev Med 2011;40:585-92)

    Also consider that according to the American Association of Orthopedic Surgeons (AAOS), 246,875 medically treated trampoline injuries occur annually in the U.S. About 15% of trampoline injuries involved young children under 6 years old. (that is over 37,000 per year).
    Should we ban trampolines?

    As soon as we see deaths in an article, especially where a
    vaccine is mentioned, it is our instinct to think “this is evil! It must be stopped!” But, we need to look at the bigger picture. We also need to ask if those deaths were also
    contributed to by other health reasons, and if the evidence supports whether they were solely vaccine-related or not.

    That’s a start… someday when I have more time, I will find more studies for you.

  • Ben William

    Fascist? Yeah, the Nazis would say the same crap about public health. Gold stars and all.

    Reasonable people know polls are rigged. I can also show you polls where you are wrong.

    People do NOT and will never want to be told when to put crap in their bodies they don’t want by an authoritative oppressive government… WAIT FOR IT….in the name of the greater good. We’ve been down this misguided road before

    … and back to Mercola or whomever… at least if Mercola is ripping people off as you ALLEGE YOU can take him and your proof in front of jury. The same can NOT be said for the vaccine manufactures. With ZERO liability they have ZERO incentive to put the safest products forward which is a MAJOR HEALTH RISK in this day and age. In a civil society these corporations you lobby for would NEVER have the right to sell paper clips to the rest of us let alone dangerous vaccines.

  • annie

    Conjecture is your middle name, isn’t it.
    And no, if you would actually read with some sense of comprehension, I asked you if you had hypertension, I did not diagnose
    Although, I am sure that somehow you could manage to blame your lack of reading comprehension on vaccines. .

  • Sue

    Oh annie annie annie.. here we go again.. dishing out verbal vomit… you are a sad lady who has a vendetta against Dr Tenpenny.. and caught out with all your venom….. does it ever stop with your BS…. As you feel you have read you comprehend much better than others.. You are just a very silly person who talks absolute rubbish.. with your inquiries to my health.. which is ridicules.. what has that got to do with posting.. it is just how you roll annie .. I am so over talking with someone who has no heart .. talks rubbish..and is ruled by your dislike for Dr Tenpenny..

  • annie

    “Verbal Vomit” – too funny.
    Coming from the person who has done nothing but make unfounded accusations, and who has yet to actually provide any facts or evidence to support your opinion.
    Here… *hands you some tissues so you don’t cry on your computer*
    When you are done your tantrum, I am sure someone will give you a new box of crayons.

  • Sue

    So true venom it just oozes.
    I understand it is not nice been caught out that it is because of your dislike
    for Dr Tenpenny not giving you any attention…

    And those who cry
    the loudest.. you keep on this tangent of .tantrum: It suits you to a T… an uncontrolled outburst of anger and frustration, typically
    in a young child. Yes yes annie I know you are not a young child.. but
    when you are as angry as you are with poor Dr Tenpenny and I come along and
    respect her .. well you just cant contain yourself.. I know there there annie
    girl….And as you feel you understand this subject so much .. and you are well aware of all I have
    shared.. so annie I am not buying into your dribble about facts or evidence to support my opinion. Because I have given
    plenty .. so annie dear what will be your next lot of verbal vomit.. If you
    feel I have nothing to offer in my post don’t post back.. quite simple my
    dear.. but your anger gets the better of you doesn’t it annie…..

  • annie

    *Yawn*
    Wake me when you are done…

  • Sue

    ha ha that is better annie girl proud of you.. disinterest.. that the way.. enjoy your rest annie girl.. by for now…
    PS Ha ha .. truly you have got me and hubbie giggling.. I thank you for that annie girl…..

  • annie

    Hmmmm – inappropriate laughter… I doubt you realize that is a sign of mental illness. So sad.

  • annie

    Since you have no facts, you fall back on the “paid operative” theory.
    An oldie, but a goodie. Keep up the reruns.

  • Sue

    Oh annie you just cant stay away from me can you.. dont worry you will get of Dr Tenpenny one day ignoring you honey…
    Well I am glad you are not a psychiatrist .. Once again annie dear.. you are suggesting you know all.. I can only feel for those around you if you make statements even about laughter.. you must be a joy to live with..

    And yes annie I am still laughing… Hey that was a short sleep…..
    Laughter decreases stress hormones and increases immune cells and infection-fighting antibodies, thus improving your resistance to disease. Laughter triggers the release of endorphins, the body’s natural feel-goodchemicals. Endorphins promote an overall sense of well-being and can even temporarily relieve pain.

  • Sue

    Well I am glad you are not a physiatrist… and glad you don’t look after anyone with a disability or that has mental health other wise it would not be be fun for them.as you feel it is so sad when people laugh Mmm .

    Hey thats right you do have an autistic foster child.. Poor little soul.. .. I love my autistic child laughing I laugh with him …

    “Your sense of humor is one of the most powerful tools you have to make certain that your daily mood and emotional state support good health.”
    ~ Paul E. McGhee, Ph.D.

    Laughter relaxes the whole body. A good, hearty laugh relieves physical tension and stress, leaving your muscles relaxed for up to 45 minutes after.

    Laughter boosts the immune system. Laughter decreases stress hormones and increases immune cells and infection-fighting antibodies, thus improving your resistance to disease.

    Laughter triggers the release of endorphins, the body’s natural feel-good chemicals. Endorphins promote an overall sense of well-being and can even temporarily relieve pain.

    Laughter protects the heart. Laughter improves the function of blood vessels and increases blood flow, which can help protect you against a heart attack and other cardiovascular problems.

  • Capt Ron

    Just because a bit of research fits your paridigm doesn’t mean it’s valid. Critical analysis of research is necessary to assess the validity and quality. How large is the study? Does the design incorporate an appoproiate randomized sampling technique? Is there blinding? Is statistical analysis correctly applied and interpreted? What is the academic specialty of the investigators? Where have they published before? What have they published before?

    This kind of analysis is a task that I’m not sure many here are capable of. Example: The “research” team of Christopher Shaw and Lucija Tomljenovic have produced a number of light-weight studies related to vaccine safety that have become all too often cited by anti-vax entities. Their work, mostly published in low impact pay-to-publish poorly peer reviewed on-line journals, is the laughingstock of the medical & scientific research community as a whole. It’s been said that this dynamic duo “tortures the data until it confesses” and critical analysis has revealed numerous cases of nonsensical conclusions unsupported by the data. Both of them are doing research that is outside the realm of their academic expertise – A notable red flag.

    And you should also “Follow the money” for COI with these two… Some of the Shaw & Tomljenovic research was funded by the Dwoskin Family Foundation which has almost $4 million in assets. Dwoskin family members are board members in the anti-vax National Vaccination Information Center, they funded the anti-vax “The Greater Good” movie and an anti-vax vaccine “Safety” conference in 2011. The list of speakers at that conference is a rogue’s gallery of anti-vax cranks, a few of whom have been long ago discredited by REAL immunology and vaccine researchers.!

  • Capt Ron

    I forgot one of the gold standards of valid research… HAS THE WORK BEEN INDEPENDENTLY REPLICATED? In the cas of “no longer a Dr.” Wakefield, it hasn’t been!

  • I would think the same standards apply to vaccine research. But, they don’t.

  • Cricket

    You put too much faith in these studies, which are not to be trusted.

    http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2109848

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/56951863#.VQnAVSnXnbi

    No need wasting time posting info from the CDC:

    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/cover-up-scandal-cdcs-vaccine-research-exposed-as-flawed-and-falsified/

    You posted:

    – As the health branch of the National Academy of Sciences, the IOM is independent and nonprofit — and it also works outside of the government. (three big items to keep their study arms-length) –

    Not anymore, take a look at who heads up the IOM (as of 7/1/14) and tell us they can be trusted:

    “Unfortunately, the IOM is getting a new president, cardiologist Victor Dzau, and he comes with a lot of “baggage” – from ties to multiple pharmaceutical companies to serving on the board at PepsiCo. This physician-businessman is likely to flood the IOM with conflicts of interest that may make unbiased IOM reports a thing of the past.”

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/03/05/victor-dzau-iom-president.aspx

    As for the worn out “trampoline” comparison I’ll just say this: The government will never mandate that every child own a trampoline. Parents are not bullied into buying a trampoline, which poses a risk for injury, it is a parent’s choice to buy one. Children/adults are not being denied an education/job if they don’t own a trampoline. Comparing vaccines to trampolines is a poor stretch of an analogy.

    Do you believe it’s ethical to sacrifice a life in order to (supposedly) save another life via vaccines? My children are not expendable for the sake of your children. You are being misled and need to explore the truth of vaccine fraudulence.

    If you value studies, please take the time to watch this 40 minute video by Dr. Beartrice Golomb, it’s the second video down:

    http://vaccinesafetyconference.com/videos.html

  • Sue

    A move I am so looking forward to watching TRACE AMOUNTS

    http://traceamounts.com/

    Of course the pro’s will be ready to pounce on it and rubbish it.. But for the people out there that are asking questions.. and want the freedom they deserve to find out the TRUTH…..try and get a copy or go some where they are showing this movie TRACE AMOUNTS and watch.. I am so looking forward to watching it myself.

  • annie

    You are funny. .. you talk about corruption and bias, and then quote Mercola and Vaccine Impact.
    What is sad is you don’t see the hypocrisy in that.

  • Cricket

    That’s all you got?

  • guest

    Annie, that’s all everyone has has provided. Oh, excuse me, you provided information from the that criminal organization the WHO. Yea, people who utilize their critical thinking and common sense know that the WHO is corrupt. Anyway, you lack the cogent Independent studies which is another clear indication you are a paid pharma pro vaccine J*I **H* A–D**I–S*-T.

  • It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

  • guest

    The entire abomination of vaccination doesn’t fit any paradigm. Period.

    As far as Shaw and Tomljenovic, any scientist with a conscious has been anti-vax, which is far from the truth if you’ve read all of their work, is considered lightweight which is the MO of anyone the corrupt vaccine makers/CDC/ FDA/ HHS and all of that vein is concerned. If you are a researcher, scientist, or an expert, not only are you subject to character assassination you are also subject to censoring by the MSM via the order of Former HHS Katleen Sebelius.

    -Katleen Sebelius Asks Media to Censor Autism Debate: http://www.ageofautism (dot) com/2010/03/sebelius-asks-media-to-censor-autism-debate.html.
    -http://www.rd.com/health/wellness/h1n1-the-report-card/
    So someone funded a movie that the scientist you’ve named and others, who have not declared their positions one way or the other because they actually present the science and let it stand on its own accord. Unlike the mantra chanted by the CDC and their extensive criminal organization: the science is settled. That in and of itself is a disturbing statement from any scientist. Also do you know how ridiculous you sound saying they were in a movie paid for by Dwoskin family. It’s a documentary which presents a viewpoint with sudies to support a perspective that vaccines are based on junk science. The vaccine makers/CDC and their ilk can take those studies and duplicate to see what they will come up with. A strange thing about a movie that’s one pays for, they have an option to view it or not. The content isn’t blasted all over the media and on billboard across America. Unlike the paid for MSM that is actually owned by big pharma. Sit down one day and count the number of drug commercials you see and hear on the radio, count how many popups are for drugs and look in printed magazines. They own the media because the only way the media can operate is by the revenue supplied by big pharma. The measles false flag is a prime example. So the fact that The Great Good and Bought Movies received some financial support from a wealthy activist is meaningless in comparison.

    The funding sources for the Greater Good Movie and Bought have not been hidden. Full disclosure is what has kept it above reproach except by your and your ilk. Let look at the Vaccine movie that was promoted as a student project :Invisible Threat

    This project was funded by Rotary. “In 2008, Rotary received a $100 million challenge grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Rotary committed to raising $100 million. In January 2009, Bill Gates
    announced a second challenge grant of $255 million. Rotary again
    committed to raising another $100 million. In total, Rotary will raise
    $200 million by June 30, 2012.”

    This is how the film was promoted;
    This student-film aims to uncover the truth about the
    anti-vaccination groups who seek to dismantle the progress made to
    combat deadly diseases that used to take the lives of millions of people
    each year.

    The “student film” was directed and produced by adults, not students,
    and the project has deep pharma ties. Paul Offit is the film’s
    “Scientific Technical Advisor.” ECBT has received millions in funding
    from pharmaceutical companies. Funding and other support for the film
    comes from the Rotary Club; Rotary International receives grants from
    the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation – a major investor in vaccines.

    The student who is listed as the film’s writer, Camille Posard, posted
    on the ECBT blog that she fears vaccine safety advocates, and she
    compares us to “white supremacists.” This is not the first time the
    vaccine industry has resorted to hate-mongering. But exploitation of
    high school students is a new low.

    A woman conducting interviews for the film was “clearly not a student,”
    according to Shawn Centers, Autism expert and pediatrician. Dr. Centers
    says the filmmakers gained access to his practice, his patients and
    their parents under false pretenses. He was told the documentary was
    about autism, so he gave permission to film. But CHSTV’s own Facebook
    page reveals the film was about vaccination, not autism, seven months
    prior to the filming.

    While promoters want us to believe the
    teens “stumbled into” the vaccine controversy, the Rotary Club grant,
    Offit’s involvement and ECBT’s relentless promotion of the film are
    ample evidence that Invisible Threat is pharma’s most shameless PR
    effort to date.
    -This is not the first corrupt thing the pro-vaccine J**H–I$$$D*–A*H*I—S$$$T have engaged in.

    The latest vaccine study paid for by HHS and orchestrated by the Rand Corporation which was released July 1, 2014 was rife with fraud & corruption from the fact the it was orchestrated by Rand, a think tank for the government who has done studies on vaccines by the vaccine makers in the past, the study was to clarify the IOM study of 2011 and rather than clarify the aspects that the CDC/Vaccine makers didn’t like, they simply eliminated that par without explanation or cause and to top it all off they based the study on comparing the MMR vaccine developed and given in Japan to the one developed and given in the US. What a load of BS.

    On top of all of this the pharmaceutical companies have paid significant fines for criminal activity:

    -Pfizer agreed to pay $2.3 billion in 2009
    -Novartis agreed to pay $423 million in 2010
    -Sanofi-Aventis to pay more than $95 million to settle fraud charge in 2009
    -GlaxoSmithKline to pay $3 billion in 2011
    -AstraZeneca to pay $520 million in 2010 to settle fraud case15
    -Roche convinces governments to stockpile Tamiflu
    -Johnson & Johnson fined more than $1.1 billion in 2012
    -Merck to pay $670 million over Medicaid fraud in 2007
    -Eli Lilly to pay more than $1.4 billion for illegal marketing in 2009
    -Abbott to pay $1.5 billion for Medicaid fraud in 2012-Merck: agreed to pay more than $650 million
    to resolve allegations that it didn’t pay proper rebates to government
    health programs and illegally paid health care providers as inducements
    to prescribe the company’s products. In 2011, the company also agreed to pay $950 million to settle criminal charges and civil allegations stemming from its promotion and marketing of the painkiller Vioxx
    Source: The Department of Justice and Dollars for Docs.

    *Big Pharma, as an industry, probably is one of the most sinister of
    criminals! That’s quite a statement to make, but legal documents prove
    it. In 2012, the Nordic Cochrane Centre in Copenhagen, Denmark, issued
    and published the paper “Corporate crime in the pharmaceutical industry
    is common, serious and repetitive,” which was published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ 2012;345:e8462—short version).

    That paper was authored by Peter C. Gotzsche, Professor, MD, DrMedSc, MSc.

    Professor Gotzsche researched to see if drug companies routinely break the law. Here’s what he found:

    Results: I found
    recent examples (2007 to 2012) of serious crimes committed by each
    company. The crimes included marketing drugs for off-label uses,
    misrepresentation of research results, hiding data on harms, and
    Medicaid and Medicare fraud. Doctors were often complicit in the crimes, as kickbacks were common. The crimes were repetitive.

    Conclusions: The crimes persist because crime pays. Harder sanctions are therefore needed, including prison sentences for CEOs and other senior executives.
    Doctors and their organizations should consider carefully whether they
    find it ethically acceptable to receive money that may have been partly
    been earned by crimes that are harmful to patients. [1]

    Yea, these are companies people put the lives of their children in.

  • guest

    One of the cases against Merck has been dismissed.

    Which one?

  • guest

    -In 1900 there were 13.3 measles deaths per 100,000
    population. By 1955, the death rate was 0.03 deaths per 100,000, a decline of 97.7%, eight years before the first measles shot. The death rate from measles in the mid-1970’s (post-vaccine) remained exactly the same as in the early 1960’s (pre-vaccine).
    -In the United States and England, between 1915 and
    1958, there was a 95% decline in the measles death rate.
    – Before the vaccine was introduced, it was extremely
    rare for an infant to contract measles. However, by 1993 more than 25% of all measles cases were occurring in babies under one year old. CDC (Center for Disease Control) officials attribute it to the growing number of
    mothers who were vaccinated during the 1960’s, ‘70’s, and ‘80’s. When natural immunity is denied, measles protection cannot be passed onto their babies.
    -In the U.S.A. the measles vaccine has been available
    since1957 and the triple vaccine against measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) has been available since 1975. In spite of all this, from 1983 to 1990 there has been a 423% increase in the number of measles cases.
    -In 1986 there was a measles epidemic at Corpus Christi, Texas, in which 99% of the children affected had been vaccinated against measles, and over 95% were
    supposedly immune.
    -According to Dr. Atkinson of the CDC, “measles transmissions has been clearly documented among vaccinated persons. In some large outbreaks…over 95% of cases have a history of vaccination…
    -According to a study by the World Health Organisation
    (W.H.O.), those vaccinated against measles are 14 times more likely to contract the disease than those left unvaccinated.National Health Federation Bulletin, (Nov. ‘69).

    -I have 67 pages of outbreaks of all the childhood disease from Pubmed in highly vaccinated populations. A recent addition:
    PLoS study: “Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination. China has one of the most vaccination compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? “The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/

    China has always had mandatory vaccine policies and continues to have it. Please explain these outbreaks in relation to Dr. Wakefield.

    You are Wakefield ignorant. Please tells us what you know about Dr. Wakefield? Also please provide substantiating data that confirms whatever you think Dr. Wakefield did to extend the circulation of measles. Keep this is mind when you provide your data:

    “The measles vaccine has failed,” he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Poland sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues. This is unexpected and a worrisome harbinger — measles outbreaks are occurring where they are least expected,” he wrote in his 2012 paper, listing the “surprising numbers of cases occurring in persons who previously received one or even two documented doses of measles-containing vaccine.” During the 1989-1991 U.S. outbreaks, 20% to 40% of those affected had received one to two doses. In a 2011 outbreak in Canada, “over 50% of the 98 individuals had received two doses of measles vaccine.”
    Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/
    http://business.financialpost (dot) com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/

    -Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.
    Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons.
    Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
    Conclusion:The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Because of the failure rate of the vaccine and the unique transmissibility of the measles virus, the currently available measles vaccine, used in a single-dose strategy, is unlikely to completely eliminate measles. The long-term success of a two-dose strategy to eliminate measles remains to be determined. http://archinte.jamanetwork (dot) com/article.aspx?articleid=619215
    Dr. Gregory Poland is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. Poland is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.

    ***Conclusion:The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. ***

  • Hannah Haha

    This is one of the most poorly written article I have read. As important as a story like this is you would think they would have done a better job. I’m so sorry for this now woman and her family. I don’t understand how they can have proof that their child was given any vaccine without permission and they only have a 50/50 chance of winning.

  • Hannah Haha

    Well, Dr Offit doesn’t give you a warm and fuzzy feeling either now does he?

  • Hannah Haha

    Not trying to to argue your point..everyone has a reason for doing what they do and a lot of the time that reason comes down to money. But, answer me honestly..do you really believe that the CDC or FDA would let it get out that they were wrong all along? There would be such an uproar and the outcome would so negatively impact the entire medical institution that they really cannot let that happen. What lengths would they go to to save face?

  • Cricket

    One of my favorite Mark Twain quotes… I use it quite a bit.

  • annie

    Yeah, guest calls anyone who doesn’t agree with him a troll. And when you refute any of his posts, he then calls you a paid operative and a jihadist. It is his/her standard MO.

  • Natesse

    Right, annie. Just go ahead and put little yellow stars on the lapels of those of us who know the truth about vaccines, right? Or maybe large red A’s, for “anti-vaxxers.” Better yet, set up the leper colony. You have no idea how dangerous you are, and that’s the scariest part. By the time you recognize the fact that the law of unintended consequences is bringing diseases never before seen on planet Earth slamming down on the most innocent, it will be too late, Sue, I admire you for your patience, but this particular troll-type who wants to pretend to be benign, and is in reality more insidious than cancer, makes me seethe. Reality will catch up with annie.

  • Capt Ron

    Citing MORTALITY (death rates) instead of MORBIDITY (case rates)?

    Mortality rate decreases are correlated with advances in medical care. They don’t reflect any changes in the ever present disease severity, cost of care, personal suffering & residual side effects of measles cases. Morbidity did not drop between the years you’ve cited. Don’t minimize morbidity!

  • Capt Ron

    Instructed? I call it astute application of critical analysis when considering the validity & veracity of posts at AofA, Natural News or that font of wisdom Whale.to!

  • Capt Ron

    Scientists with a “conscious”? I’d rather see an impartial COMPETENT scientist doing research!

    Agreed – Corporate manipulation of data is corruption, but a scientist acting on “conscious” rather than a neutral demeanor is just as insidious. Agenda driven scientists like Shaw & Tomljenovic are the antithesis to the application of the impartial, by design, scientific method of hypothesis > Bayesian probability analysis > research design & conduct > data collection > analysis > conclusions > publication > peer review leading to eventual accepted consensus by the scientific community. A scientist clouded by “conscious” can all too easily, even unconsciously, produce a study design to support their agenda and fall to the logical fallacy of confirmation bias. BTW, yes, I have done research off and on for decades. I was involved with some of the very early studies (funded by the NSF, not BIG PHARMA) about 25 years ago that led to linking HPV with cervical cancer. This was work in an academic medical center, NOT a BIG PHARMA lab. All of my career work has been carried on in academic, governmental, public health or non-profit hospital environments, never BIG PHARMA.

  • annie

    Considering science and statistics show I have a bigger chance of being struck by lighting than having a severe vaccination injury, your celestial threats don’t scare me.
    As for segregation, what you are comparing is apples and oranges.
    You don’t choose your race. You do choose to be unvaccinated. Every choice has risks and consequences; but you want Nirvana, and no consequences.
    You are the dangerous one. You knowingly, and willingly put children at higher risk of disease. Your false belief that the vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they prevent is a blatant lie, told to you by snake oil salesman using that fear to get you to buy their products.

  • guest

    Go away troll. We’ve had you ilk on here before with the same old same old tired ridiculous comment. Why don’t you go and take a big load of vaccines and see how it works out. Please let us know how it works out. That’s if you have any working brain cells left.

  • guest

    Dr Offitis is a high paid criminal war lord for the CDC/Vaccine industry/

  • guest

    I’d rather see an impartial COMPETENT scientist doing research!

    We’d all LOVED to see an Independent unbiased double blind placebo based controlled study on the effectiveness and safety of a childhood vaccine. One that has absolutely no vaccine industry, CDC, any and all major universities, hospitals and research organizations (Rand and similar) connections.

    “BTW, yes, I have done research off and on for decades. I was involved with some of the very early studies (funded by the NSF, not BIG PHARMA) about 25 years ago that led to linking HPV with cervical cancer. This was work in an academic medical center, NOT a BIG PHARMA lab. All of my career work has been carried on in academic, governmental, public health or non-profit hospital environments, never BIG PHARMA”

    Please enlighten us with some of the studies and research you’ve been part of. Please provide the titles of the studies, dates, journal listings, subject-you know, all of the elements that can validate you claim. Otherwise you’re just blowing smoke.

    You wouldn’t want any studies done by scientists with consciousnesses because you lack one. There are ethical scientist that present the science no matter what it is and no matter where it leads. That’s hard for people who get paid to troll to understand.

  • Trace Amounts (2014) Official Film Trailer
    http://vimeo.com/91359066

    Lighthouse Pictures Announces Autism Documentary “Trace Amounts”http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/04/lighthouse-pictures-announces-autism-documentary-trace-amounts-to-premiere-at-newport-beach-film-festival.html​

    The Only Thimerosal Free Vaccination Schedule

    To use the better known comparison, by 6 months of age it is still possible for a baby to receive 71 mcg of thimerosal versus the previous 187.5 mcg! Here’s how it could easily happen:

    Prenatal: Flu shot [Fluzone, Flulaval, or Fluvirin (25mcg)]

    Birth: HepB [Engergix (3mcg)]

    1month: HepB [Energix (3mcg)]

    2 months: DTaP [Tripedia (3mcg)] or DTaP/Hib [TriHIBit (3mcg)]

    4 months: HepB [Energix (3mcg)] and DTaP [Tripedia (3mcg)] or DTaP/Hib [TriHIBit (3mcg)]

    6 months: same as 4 months, plus a flu shot

    This clearly falsifies the repeatedly stated mantra that babies are no longer being exposed to thimerosal these days. They most certainly are.

    Read more: http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/11/the-only-thimer.html

    Trace Amounts (2014) Official Film Trailer
    http://vimeo.com/91359066

    EXCLUSIVE: Natural News tests flu vaccine for heavy metals, finds 25,000 times higher mercury level than EPA limit for water
    http://www.naturalnews.com/045418_flu_shots_influenza_vaccines_mercury.html

    Flu vaccine contains 25,000 times more mercury than is legally allowed in drinking water
    http://www.naturalnews.com/045705_flu_vaccine_mercury_heavy_metals.html

  • (Dr.) Paul Offit- The Real Truth (otherwise better known as,”Dr. Proffit”)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/paul-offit—the-real-truth.html

  • And you have no references to anything at all, and simply a one sided story. Sorry, that just will not cut it here! Quit wasting our time in reading your tabloid style…he said, she said submissions.

  • Its is your own comprehension level that is obviously poor; and your hypocrisy level as well is in the going off the charts…. range. Do you have those studies, or not? Obviously not. Quit wasting our time, as I and we already know they do not exist, and they never will. You are just playing more mind games and games of complete avoidance.

  • guest

    You and wildguy are injecting Wakefield into this discussion as a distraction. OK. I’ll g along:

    -Identification of Unique Gene Expression Profile in Children with Regressive Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) and Ileocolitis: http://journals.plos (dot) org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0058058.

    –Gastrointestinal abnormalities in children with autistic disorder.
    The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63

    -Colonic CD8 and γδ T-cell infiltration with epithelial damage in children with autism
    The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372

    -Intestinal Lymphocyte Populations in Children with Regressive Autism: Evidence for Extensive Mucosal Immunopatholog
    Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517

    -Immune activation of peripheral blood and mucosal CD3 + lymphocyte 3 cytokine profiles in children with autism and gastrointestinal symptoms
    Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005

    – Antibodies to Myelin Basic Protein in Children with Austic Behavior
    Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103

    -Elevated Levels of Measles Antibodies in Children with Autism
    Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3.

    -Dysregulated Innate Immune Responses in Young Children with Autism Spectrum Disorders :
    Their Relationship to Gastrointestinal Symptoms and Dietary Intervention
    Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85

    -EVALUATION OF AN ASSOCIATION BETWEEN GASTROINTESTINAL SYMPTOMS AND CYTOKINE PRODUCTION AGAINST COMMON DIETARY PROTEINS IN CHILDREN WITH AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDERS
    The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10

    -Clinical presentation and Histologic Findings at Ileocolonoscopy in children with Autistic
    Spectrum Disorder and chronic Gastrointestinal symptoms
    Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11

    -Autistic enterocolitis: Fact or fiction?
    Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98

    Autism and the MMR (or Measles) Vaccine:
    -Oleske, J. “Elevated rubeola [measles] titers in autistic
    children.” Abstract presented by D. Zecca and Dr. Graffino at an NIH meeting (September 23, 1997). As quoted by Richard Gallup in “Autism and autoimmunity.” http://www.chiroweb (dot) com/archives/18/14/10.html April 15, 2002.
    -Fudenberg, H.H. “Dialysable lymphocyte extract (DlyE) in infantile onset autism: a pilot study.” Biotherapy 1996; 9:143-147.
    -Gupta, S. “Immunology and immunologic treatment of autism.” Proceedings of the National Autism Association, Chicago 1996: 455-460.
    -Wakefield, A.J., et al. “Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children.” Lancet 1998; 351:637-641. [retracted] For more on Dr. Wakefield, visit: Interview with Dr. Wakefield
    -Yazbak, F.E. “Autism: Is there a vaccine connection? Part I. Vaccination after delivery.” 1999.
    Part I
    -Yazbak, F.E. “Autism: Is there a vaccine connection? Part II. Vaccination around pregnancy.” 1999.
    Part II
    -Yazbak, F.E. “Autism: Is there a vaccine connection? Part III. Vaccination around pregnancy, the sequel.” 2000. Part III
    -“Autism: Present Challenges, Future Needs — Why the
    Increased Rates?” Government Reform Committee Hearing, Washington, DC. (April 6, 2000.)
    -Bernard, S., et al. “Autism: a novel form of mercury
    poisoning,” (July 2000). Submitted to the Government Reform Committee Hearing, Washington, DC. (July 18, 2000.) http://www.house (dot)gov/reform/healthcare/mercury_paper.htm
    -“Autism: Why the Increased Rates? A One-Year Update.” Government Reform Committee Hearing, Washington, DC. (April 25-26, 2001.)
    -“The Autism Epidemic: Is the NIH and CDC Response Adequate?” Government Reform Committee Hearing, Washington, DC. (April 18, 2002.)
    -“The Status of Research into Vaccine Safety and Autism.” Government Reform Committee Hearing, Washington, DC. (June 19, 2002.)
    -Kawashima, K., et al. “Detection and sequencing of measles virus from peripheral mononuclear cells from patients with inflammatory bowel disease and autism.” Digestive Diseases and Sciences (April 2000); 45:723-729.
    -Reuters Medical News. “Measles persistence confirmed in some patients with IBD, autistic enterocolitis.” (June 20, 2000). http://www.id.medscape.com/reuters/prof/2000/ 06/06.20/20000620scie001.html
    -Wakefield, A.J. et al. “Enterocolitis in children with developmental disorders.” American Journal of Gastroenterology 2000; 95(9):2154-2156.
    -Wakefield, A., et al. “Measles, mumps and rubella vaccine: through a glass, darkly.” Adverse Drug Reaction and Toxicologica Reviews 2000; 19(4):265-283.
    -Kiln MR, “Autism, inflammatory bowel disease, and MMR vaccine.” Lancet 1998 May 2;351(9112):1358.
    -Selway, “MMR vaccination and autism 1998. Medical practitioners need to give more than reassurance.” BMJ 1998 Jun 13;316(7147):1824.
    -Nicoll A, Elliman D, Ross E, “MMR vaccination and autism 1998,” MJ 1998 Mar 7;316(7133):715-716.
    -Lindley K J, Milla PJ, “Autism, inflammatory bowel disease, and MMR vaccine.”Lancet 1998 Mar 21;351(9106):907-908.
    Bedford H, et al, “Autism, inflammatory bowel disease, and MMR vaccine.” Lancet 1998 Mar 21;351(9106):907.
    -Vijendra K. Singh, Sheren X. Lin, and Victor C. Yang, “Serological Association of Measles Virus and Human
    Herpesvirus-6 with Brain Autoantibodies in Autism,” Clinical Immunology and Immunopathology, Oct 1998, Vol. 89, No. 1, p 105-108.

  • We can go to the VAERS data on Gardasil alone, and clearly see that they have ignored everything that is there that is damaging, and that points to commonly found factors. They claim to find nothing significant because they did not actually look. As well anyone that is in the know, knows, worse yet; is that VAERS is stated to ONLY contain 1 to 10% of the reportable reactions, mild to severe, and as to the reportable deaths. If they would ignore all the unrecovered from neurologically based outcomes and the death due to Gardasil, and as well the know contamination of that product; then there is nothing they would not ignore. As a fact. We need a panel of independent experts to review that VAERS data, and not a bunch of corrupt people with vested interests in vaccines and their connected careers, and who have everything to lose if the truth be known and not covered-up.

  • guest

    Name of case against Merck that was dismissed. Who are the plaintiffs and what judge and court is this occurring in. I have the cases in a file. I know what they are and you bs-ing is just that bs. If the case was dismissed it would have been on this website and others. Plus the legal websites would have posted it.

  • Do the CDC, and Paul Offit cherry pick their data, and yet ignore any damaging studies that clearly do exist? But yet you claim any study and or data information that shows the harm done by vaccines, just has to be cherry picked. Go ahead and produce a study that outlines the physiological safety profile of the current 2015 CDC vaccine schedule? Then give me as well a study which shows the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines to a small child in a single day and office visit. Get started.

  • Just a little add on. Good job!

    Big Pharma’s Corruption and Fraud
    http://www.vacfacts.info/big-pharmarsquos-corruption-and-fraud.html

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

  • Andrew Moulden was MURDERED…because of the investigation he was on top of. His contract was up with the situation where he was not allowed to speak on vaccines, to continue to practice in the medical field, and some people knew it was going to blow up big time for them, and in his favor. I know far more than you do on it, as a fact.

    Dr. Andrew Moulden: Learning to Identify Vaccine Damage
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/dr-andrew-moulden-learning-to-identify-vaccine-damage/

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    Health Canada Corruption – Dr. Andrew Moulden – MD, PhD

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbo5vf_health-canada-corruption-dr-andrew_news

    Dr. Andrew Moulden in Hamilton, Ont, Canada Nov 30/09 – 1 of 4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ApDkvCNQo

  • You have actually answered to NOTHING…period. The data, reference material,and the studies to back anything you have claimed to simply does not exist. Wake up, and quit attempting to scam any readers here. It is called, intellectual dishonesty.

  • annie

    If you would notice, I posted the studies 3 days ago…
    Perhaps you should review your own comprehension level.

  • There is not, (in regard to the said number of lawsuits), and you are simply making it up as you go. As well, 1000’s of allopathic doctor and big pharma based malpractice cases are never filed in a court of law.

    Death By Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

  • If Mercola was harming people, and NOT helping them maintain their health, and as well to get well again, often after the pharmaceutical heresy has damaged them; the mainstream side of it, would be all over that. They would exploit that to no end. Guess what, they can not do that, because that harm and fraud does not exist. If you think it does go ahead and outline some of it.

    Don’t let your complete and deliberate ignorance, let you say anything entirely stupid and uneducated, now.

  • Only in a twisted mind like yours, do people come up with sick crap like that. Your credibility and respect level here couldn’t get any more into the negative category; or could it?

  • Dr Wakefield Speaks!

    Published on Mar 11, 2015

    Dr Andrew Wakefield speaks to new parents who are hearing his name for the first time when they ask to talk about vaccine safety at their well baby visit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdTp3-pG1_8&feature=youtu.be

    THIS, is what REAL doctors are made of.

  • They had no actual cures to those diseases such as polio. The mainstream allopathic side should and could have been curing polio with IV and/or liposomic vitamin C; but they refused to because it was not a big pharma based patented drug. So, your mortality verses morbidity, and or incidence of rates; simply falls flat on its behind. Those advances in medical care, in reality, and in relation to any vaccinated for illness, before or after a vaccine was developed; really did NOT even exist, and to any sense that it brought down mortality rates. All those claims amount to is just more false excuses, and false reasoning in the attempt to explain away the historical fact that vaccines simply did not accomplish eradication, and nor work as they were advertised to.

  • No one would argue with the level of blind ignorance and denial that you have; and that on their own; and unless they, and you were paid.

  • And, we can study you for high self-importance.

  • Extreme self-importance.

  • Obviously you think you came to this site and this article, to argue with uneducated people? Hows that been working out for you?

  • Yeah, this is how Nazi Germany happened, because people like her accepted people being segregated right into concentration camps.

  • The article you read attempting to claim to that, is full of nothing but baseless misinformation. It is as to the author of that article, involving a low level of having done and accepted any independent information. That author has a less than adequate, and like you a very narrow scope of any real understanding of the issues he writes of. He clearly was not qualified to even begin writing any such counter article. Those articles are written just for people like you; to keep them misguided and unaware of the real truths.

  • What, more avoidance, and false excuses? Not again? Then JUST quit reply posting, if you can back nothing up?

  • Sue

    So true Josi.. and people seem to have such short memories of history.. once freedom has gone it is all down hill…I just do not understand how people really believe there is no problem with vaccines.. that people are not getting sicker.. and this is 2015.. we should be getting healthier.. Mother Nature is a great thing. and has been around since the beginning of time.. and we are playing with our human DNA like this is … I can not think of a world that can describe this.. all for money.. it is sad and just plain criminal….

  • The only thing that is sick and creepy is you posting under two identities and with the same picture, which you created, and then accusing people of tracking you when they realize its the same person; and when you put it out there on all the articles you replied on, yourself. Whats the matter? You can’t even take responsibility for your own actions and the outcome of those actions?

  • So now you are stating that 30% of those who had wild measles in the past, had lifelong damage? That is a bunch of crap. And what source did you quote that from? As well why has not the CDC and state so called authorities placed more importance on the significance of treating with vitamin A (in avoidance of that said damage and death) and as well in insuring that children have adequate vitamin A diet in the diet? They have incorrectly believed that such deficiencies are rare, and that such supplementing is ineffective but only in a small few cases of deficiency. They are, and again have been, wrong. But you know, when you sell toxic and contaminated vaccines, that is the only gold standard and must be exclusively maintained as so. Only, a drug or vaccine can cure or prevent disease. Any other claims to other substances, cause that substance to become a drug, and MUST be regulated by the FDA, and clinical trials done, which of course are never done because no-one could afford to throw that kind of money at it unless its a billion dollar sales, potential and patentable drug.

  • Actually I had the vaccine as a child, and both I and my brother which was also vaccinated, still got the measles.

  • Hannah Haha

    Actually I have never posted here. I understand why the “pro vaxxers” think all of us “anti vaxxers” are crazy when we have people like you representing us. This is like when the army says it was friendly fire…I’m on your side doofus.

    I am not vaccinated and neither is my son. I believe we have a right to decide and that vaccines are not what they tell us, but that doesn’t change the fact that the article is poorly written. Sheesh, so quick to attack and call names. That is the biggest sign of ignorance.

    I think you are the one missing a few brain cells buddy.

  • You only claim to that through complete ignorance. Vaccine shedding is real. Why do you think cancer facilities warn about their patients not coming in contact with the vaccinated, and especially those having received the MMR vaccine? Are cancer patients, and children with cancer, playing in feces? What an ignorant fool.

  • You dismissed the studies and the data, that you really need to face up to. You simply ignored it and claimed it to be only anti-vax conspiracy; which it clearly is not; and just another false label. You do not even have a clue what is there, and you refuse to accept actually real data. You refuse any form of reality and truth information; just go ahead and admit to that.

  • Post your reference sources and information to back up your claims, or quit replying. Your endless excuses are pathetic. And no I do not moderate anything here, ever.

    Identifying who you are, or who you apparently are, is not creepy. It is what you deserved, and also as you are and have been vaccine shill replying again and again on so many articles out there. Creating web traffic for you? So, you are not interested in vaccine truth and nor vaccine safety; but only in creating web traffic? That actually says it all, now doesn’t it. Go ahead and use the F and the U word again? Mad now?

  • annie

    Be my guest.
    Hopefully, the one thing you will learn, is I base my opinion on fact, on scientific study, and not on emotion, perception, conspiracy theories, or quacks.
    I am prepared to change my stance on vaccines, if you can show me the scientific evidence, proving the following:
    – that disease rates increased after vaccines were implemented
    – that the possibility of side effects of the vaccines are greater than the possibility of side effects of the illness (for example, if I get measles, studies show that I have a 10% chance of getting pneumonia, and a 25% chance of hospitalization – can you provide studies that show I have a 10% chance of life-threatening illness, and a 25% of hospitalization after vaccination?)
    – that life expectancy is lower in vaccinated individuals
    – that a recently vaccinated person will infect more people than a recently infected person (I want to see the studies that show that X vaccinated people infected Y people, and that M recently infected person infected P people, and that Y is greater than P)
    – that diseases move as fast or faster through vaccinated populations as unvaccinated populations
    Now, remember – I want those studies to be scientifically relevant, reliable, and valid, with sufficient sample sizes to remove biases. I want those studies to be peer-reviewed and replicated. I want them to be from multiple sources.
    That isn’t self-important. That is making decisions based on fact.

  • guest

    What year case rates would you like? I have them beginning in 1940.

    Also, contracting measles in not a bad thing for the immune system. In fact it wasn’t until vaccines begin making money did measles flip and become this deadly disease. Childhood vaccines are or had been until money kicked in, a means to strengthen the immune system. Also, there are studies that the measles virus can eliminated cancer:

    -Measles virus for cancer therapy
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3926122/

    -Having measles not only results in life-long specific immunity to measles, but also in life-long non-specific immunity to degenerative diseases of bone and
    cartilage, sebaceous skin diseases, immunoreactive diseases and certain tumours as demonstrated by Ronne (1985).
    Ronne T. 1985. Measles virus infection without rash in childhood is related to diseases in adult life. Lancet; 5 Jan: 1-5.

    Having mumps protects against ovarian cancer (West 1969). West RO. 1966. Epidemiologic studies of malignancies of the ovaries. Cancer;
    1001-1007.

    Carmona Mota (1973) described a remission of infantile Hodgkin’s disease after natural measles. They wrote, “A 23-months-old Caucasian male was seen for the first time in April 1970 with a large mass in the neck due to hypertrophy of the left cervical lymph nodes. Before radiotherapy could be started the child developed measles. Much to our surprise the large cervical mass vanished without further therapy.” Carmon Mota H. 1973. Infantile Hodgkins’disease: remission after measles. BMJ;
    19May: 423.

    REGRESSION OF HODGKIN’S DISEASE AFTER MEASLES: http://www.sciencedirect (dot) com/science/article/pii/S0140673681922868

    Children who are permitted to contract measles naturally are significantly protected against various cancers
    later in life. In fact, the wild measles virus has oncolytic
    (anti-cancer) properties. Tumor remissions after measles infection are well documented in the medical literature.

    Children who are required to be vaccinated against measles have had this anti-cancer protection stripped from them for life. They have been forced to trade a reduced risk of contracting measles for an increased
    risk of developing cancer later in childhood or as an adult.

    I will list just a few of the studies confirming the scientific link between vaccines and cancer:
    Albonico et al found that adults are significantly protected against non-breast cancers — genital, prostate, gastrointestinal, skin, lung, ear-nose-throat, and others — if they contracted measles (odds ratio, OR = 0.45), rubella (OR = 0.38) or chickenpox (OR = 0.62) earlier in life. [Med Hypotheses 1998; 51(4): 315-20].

    Montella et al found that contracting measles in childhood reduces the risk of developing lymphatic cancer in adulthood [Leuk Res 2006; 30(8): 917-22].

    Alexander et al found that infection with measles during childhood is significantly protective — it cuts the risk in half — against developing Hodgkin’s disease (OR = 0.53) [Br J Cancer 2000; 82(5): 1117-21].

    Glaser et al also found that lymph cancer is significantly more likely in adults who were not infected with measles, mumps or rubella in childhood [In J Cancer 2005; 115(4): 599-605].

    Urayama et al also found that early exposure to infections is protective against leukemia [Int J Cancer 2011; 128(7): 1632-43].

    In the world of science, it is quite well known that having
    infections in early life protects against various cancers in later life. Later born children have less cancer than first born children because they are exposed to more infections in early life from their siblings. Children that go to daycare in early life are more protected against
    cancers for the same reason. Vaccinations denied babies opportunities to become naturally infected, and with this reduction in exposure to disease there was a tradeoff — increased rates of cancer.

    Introduction to Measles and Measles Vaccines:
    http://www.vaclib (dot) org/intro/measles-intro.htm.
    Graphs and data from the CDC.

  • guest

    My apologies. Your posting came off as many of the trolls on this site with the new tolling approach of faking sorrow for the family but than attacking the content of the article as proof-less.

  • guest

    base my opinion on fact, on scientific study,
    Names/titles of studies you have based any opinion on other the the WHO. Please provide studies. That’s what we have been waiting on.

  • guest

    These are people who believed in not giving people a choice:
    Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Kim Jong-Un, Mao & Pol Pot.

    -Mandatory vaccines enforced at gunpoint (already happening in other countries)
    -Eugenic/Master Race Programs-Agenda 21
    -Forced Sterilization

    -Medical Experiments on Minorities
    -Covert Population Control Via Vaccines
    If you don’t believe in Medical Choice you are an advocate of Medical Tyranny.

    Yes, you are in alignment with the dark side.

  • eggman2

    My sister suffered a rapid growing tumor between her eye and brain after we got vaccinated , without our parents consent , that had to be operated. I suffered encephalitis for a couple of weeks, unconscious in the hospital. The doctors said that I could have become paraplegic or mentally disabled. But my mother’s hard praying must have worked because neither one happened, and IBM wanted to recruit me at the age of 12, right after the illness. But my son’s condition was worst; he bled and oozed fluids from eruptions on his skin, and his personality was changed after his convalescence. Although he is intelligent, his personality remains as the one of an schizophrenic paranoid.

  • annie

    With the victim mentality so ingrained in you, I am amazed you can even get out of bed in the morning.

    You have the choice – vaccinate or not vaccinate.
    But, that choice has consequences, just like smoking in public areas.

    You are the one who is in panic mode, that somehow that equates to medical experiments on minorities (which I find really funny, because that is exactly what Wakefield did, except his was unapproved medical experiments on children). You are truly paranoid.

  • sabelmouse

    the kind of hospital areas that the newly vaccinated are supposed to stay out of?

  • sabelmouse

    thanks to her vaccine injury she’ll probs not understand.

  • Hannah Haha

    Apology accepted. I know this is a touchy subject and emotions run high. People on both sides are tired of being attacked. It doesn’t help our cause to jump straight to name calling when someone shows up with a differing opinion though.

  • Mary Meet

    I would like to see your references, if you please. I have not seen, nor heard of, any evidence supporting your claim. I would appreciate the opportunity to review your consideration, given documentation such as you may provide. Thanks in advance for your time.

  • annie

    LOL good to see you keep up to date.
    You have been reading the press release by Westin A Price, haven’t you (the one that cleverly looked like a CNBC report but wasn’t).
    If you would actually look, both John Hopkins and St Judes no longer recommend that newly vaccinated stay away.
    But that would mean you would actually have to look a little deeper than the original article – wouldn’t want to do that….

  • Mary Meet

    What lies, what distortion? Please specify whatever evidence have you to support your accusation?

  • sabelmouse

    i had it before. in guess they got pressure of the removal off unding kind.do you have a link to the changes?

  • Mary Meet

    Given your sincerity, that you were truly objective & duly concerned, why didn’t you (or why don’t you) present your concerns to her in earnest? If you have been researching this, you must be cognizant of organized attacks, and further how easily intention may be misinterpreted – especially in this medium, & in light of such notorious opposition. Being more sympathetically predisposed, you may reconsider the motives of those administering pages representing such targeted ideals and find them not nefarious for blocking those suspect of undermining their efforts. Further your edification may create a more positive response, if not more open dialogue, in future.

  • Mary Meet

    Apologies, “annie”, you said you had been researching this. If you had been searching for truth, you would have found much of that information you herein request. The increase in autism, cancer, & “SIDS” in addition to other vaccine injury & death determined vaccine-related has been established, increased in direct correlation to the introduction of, increase in and changes to vaccines, & has manifested recent phenomena in conjunction with vaccinations to populations previously immune until said vaccinations were introduced.

    To be peer-reviewed, by established authority in western medicine, would require complicity. Unfortunately those supporting this agenda are no predisposed to exposing detrimental effects. Fortunately there are representatives stepping forward evidencing their complicity and corruption, and we have the ability to access multitudes on a case by case basis as well as in governmental sanctioned, published analysis by geographic, even including genetic, populations.To replicate would require administering untainted gene pools – again! Unfortunately, we’re running out of those.

    If you are, as some suspect, a paid shill or troll, I hope you will reconsider your use of time & misuse of life.

  • Mary Meet

    “But there are repurcussions to every decision. ”

    Yes there are REPERCUSSIONS. If you ever have children, and it is your decision, remember that it is you who ultimately will live with yours… as well as your children. If they live.

  • Mary Meet

    Interesting how, when, & why (?) they changed their stance.
    If you look a little deeper!

  • Mary Meet

    According to the CDC currently 1 in 68 children have been identified with ASD! & autism is only ONE affect of a subset of vaccines in an increasing multitude of vaccinations. THE NUMBER HAS BEEN INCREASING EXPONENTIALLY. If you are male your chance is increased; THAT is genetic. If you are a black male, your chance is even higher. THAT that was admittedly covered up by the WHO, THAT IS BLATANTLY LYING TO US. So whether or not you have any comprehension for statistics, THAT correlation must obvious.

  • Mary Meet

    You do NOT have the choice, when you are misinformed, when your career is threatened, your job that you have invested education time & money & your life in are suddenly revoked, in increasing sectors (dotors, nurses, all health support staff, administration, education, any public service…) when by manipulative disinformation uninformed masses cease to care let alone question these tenets which have already occurred in recent history, & as such are -especially in ignorance – doomed to be repeated.

    Why panic? If you aren’t concerned for yourself or tohers, or your children or theirs, how about the increasing economic burden of these afflictions? & equating the current with vaccination agenda with the Tuskegee syphilis experiment ( & that is only ONE of many government sanctioned experiments!) is really not funny at all, especially in light of the recent revelation of the government documentation that they covered up research showing the correlation between VACCINES and an INCREASE in AUTISM in BLACK MALES!

    Dr. Wakefield did not perform “unapproved medical experiments on children”, he documented uncomfortable truths pursuant to observations made following the administration of sanctioned & government – mandated experiments on children – vaccinations!

  • Actually, Annie, the information is still on their websites.

    http://www.stjude.org/SJFile/gen_info_visit_guides.pdf

  • annie
  • annie

    And right after the WAP press release, Johns Hopkins released this:
    http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u383/Medic105/Johns%20Hopkins%20Antivax_zpsbqj29tbv.jpg

  • annie

    Show me your evidence.
    You rant on, but provide no evidence.
    As I stated, show me the studies. You did not.

    But, I will comment on several of your allegations.

    Autism.
    This has been debunked ad nauseum. Vaccines do not cause autism.
    Yes, 1 in 68 children is diagnosed ON THE AUTISM SPECTRUM. A great many of those live perfectly normal, productive lives (please google Temple Grandin).
    You refuse to acknowledge part of the reason that there is a greater “incidence” in autism diagnoses is that we know more about autism spectrum – previously many of those children would have just been labelled “anti-social” “weird” or other inappropriate or incorrect labels.

    Show me where cancer is higher in vaccinated children.
    Show me where SIDS deaths are higher in vaccinated children.

    Your comment “To be peer-reviewed, by established authority in western medicine, would require complicity” is just an excuse.
    Why aren’t your gurus, Tenpenny, Mercola, Blaylock, Humphries, Adams, Ji, and others, using the millions that they make to do the research? They have the money, the staff, and the facilities to be able to do it, yet they don’t. (I know, you think that the FDA and CDC and the US government runs the world of pharma – but psssst – the rest of the world knows better).

    It is very easy to blame everything on some conspiracy theory.
    But then, it is easier for you to believe something unproven, than something that is. That in itself is very sad, that you would choose to believe lies and fairy tales over facts and evidence. I can’t change your mind – but I have given you the criteria to change mine… so far, you aren’t doing a very good job.

    I love the comment about “untainted gene pools” – hmmmmm I know there was a crazy German in history who had the same view…

    You have resorted to the same childish level that many anti-vaxxers do: when you don’t have facts, you resort to judgment and name-calling. You know nothing of me or my family, yet you choose to be judgmental.

  • Annie, I doubt live-virus vaccines will stop shedding because Johns Hopkins or St. Jude change their verbiage. Vaccine shedding is well documented in the scientific literature – even by the vaccine creators in the 1940s & 1950s (Hilary Koprowski).

  • guest

    It doesn’t help our cause to jump straight to name calling when someone shows up with a differing opinion though.

    Agreeded.

  • guest

    The information is still on their websites and the only reason John Hopkins changed their webpage is because people were accessing it by the millions . The date the page was changed is in the upper right hand corner. They haven’t changed their policy, they were instructed to change it most likely by the CDC and HHS. That is a clear indication that the industrial medical complex is corrupt and hiding vital information that will keep the public healthy. What they have done is open themselves up to be sued because live viral vaccine shedding is real which is why the page was there in the first place. Are they now going to stop every person who enters the facility and ask them if they have been vaccinated in the last 30 days. John Hopkins does not have blanket immunity.

    This is the same thing the CDC did when their page on SV-40 began to be accessed millions of times over a couple of days because multiple websites posted articles that the polio vaccine was contaminated with SV-40 which can cause cancer. CDC removed the page, left up the cache so people began accessing that. They removed the cache a few days later but it was too late. Most website created a page on their site that cannot be tampered with and there are permanent records of the fact that the government is aware that SV-40 can cause cancer and that 80 million people in the US have been injected with it.

    This is a extremely serious situation. Critically ill people who are hospitalized are now open to live viruses from vaccinated people entering the hospital because the inpatient visitors guidelines have been compromised for the sake of manipulating the public to continue the mass vaccination experiment. Anyone that thinks this change in their policy is funny annie “LOL” is a vile and contemptuous person.

  • guest

    Sit back annie and contemplate on what you are actually feeling gleeful about. Hospitals that are suppose to protect it’s patients have now been sucked into this sick vortexx created by the corrupt CDC/Vaccine Industry.
    Rather than seeing what John Hopkins and the other hospitals who will follow this pattern, did as UNCONSCIOUSABLE, you look at this reprehensible behavior as a point, a score-one for the trolls and vaccine industry. What kind of person are you?

    I guess the study is right. Trolls are Machiavellian Sadist.

  • guest

    With the victim mentality so ingrained in you.

    Dear Annie. Dear Dear Annie, Silly Annie. Foolish Annie. What planet do you live on? What country do you live in? What state? What city? Please tell me you are not as clueless as you sound? We, and that includes you, have strings attached to us. We, and that includes you are only as free, have free will and choice as long as the string is that we’re all attached to. Pull on that string or cut it, watch how fast your rear get yanked back in. You actually have bought into the illusion of freedom. Didn’t realize there were still so many people still asleep. This is what you are trolling and fighting for:

    NACCHO is The National Association of County and City Health Officials. This is not a government organization despite it’s name. It’s a lobbying group funded by the CDC.

    NACCHO’s members are the 2700 local health departments across the United States. NACCHO’s vision is health, equity, and security for all people in their communities through public health policies and services.

    In July 2011, NACCHO issued a policy statement encouraging states to eliminate personal belief exemptions. If that wasn’t a possibility, NACCHO at least encouraged states to make exemptions harder to get by
    making the process more cumbersome.

    In July 2013, NACCHO’s Board approved this new policy statement, titled “An Immunization Program for all Stages of Life”:

    The National Association of County and City Health Officials (NACCHO) urges the federal government to support the creation of a comprehensive national immunization program that addresses all stages of life (cradle to grave) with the intention of achieving the Healthy People 2020 immunization goals and standards. Such a program will help protect our nation’s population from vaccine-preventable diseases by increasing
    rates of childhood, adolescent, and adult immunization coverage.

    CRADLE TO GRAVE
    A function of many state and local health departments is to collect vaccination data and maintain immunization registries. These registries are often used to help ensure children and adolescents have up-to-date immunizations. Low levels of vaccine coverage among adults underscores the need to expand these systems to include adults and for providers to develop systems to minimize missed opportunities.

    Immunization registries for adults?

    Are you for MANDATORY VACCINES FOR EVERYONE?
    If so, you’re in luck. The CDC recommends 72 vaccinations between the ages of 19 and 65. Are you going to get your 72 shots? Please tell us when because we’d like to know how it turns out.
    Recommended Adult Immunization Schedule—United States – 2015
    http://www.cdc (dot) gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/adult/adult-schedule.pdf

    The long-term plan for NACCHO is adult immunization—“cradle to grave” as they say. Anyone who doesn’t believe a push for mandatory adult vaccinations is likely somewhere in the near future is not paying attention.

    There is no victim mentality here. The only victims are people like you who are paid to push an agenda that will include you at the end of the day. Those who are still asleep.

    Useful Idiot: The term “useful idiot” more than ever applies to a vast swath of citizens in the United States who have been cynically used by the hardcore left for a cause they are unwilling to understand.

  • guest

    First of all your analysis is BS. You have an issue with them way the abstracts are written. Take them up with the authors of the studies. The information is directly from them. Your attempt at distraction and confusion is a total fail.

  • LOL. Just cross-posted that over at CNBC. Thx Annie :)

  • guest

    Please provide studies that show that the risk of contracting an illness is GREATER from a freshly vaccinated person than from an infected non-vaccinated person.

    This is troll tactic 19 from the 25 tactics of disinformation. It’s called: demand impossible proofs.

    See the problems with vaccine studies is that there are NO valid vaccine studies. Actually, according to Ben Goldache, there are no valid drug studies-PERIOD. You and I both know that there has never been and never will be any study that may disparage the vaccine industry and the CDC. They learned their lessons with the: Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information and IOM 2011 studies that showed that vaccines cause neurological damage to children. Despite their CDC’s best efforts they could not permanently keep the studies out of the hands of the public because of Congressional assistance and the FOIA. Those two studies have been the Achilles heels for the CDC which is why the RAND study was commissioned but it too is a fraud. So, there will never be a study comparing the health of Unvaccinated children to Vaccinated children or any other study that compares vaccines against anything.

    So your proof impossible question is just another distraction to try and discredit the information on viral vaccine shedding and the others I presented. As i said:

    your issues with the data in the studies should e taken up directly with the researchers. If you go to the journals most of them have a comment section. Please tell them what you think.. If they respond, come come back and report it.

    My point about Ben Goldache, who isn’t anti-vaxx as you like to call people:

    His book “Bad Pharma”
    How Drug companies Misled Doctors and harm Patients:
    He writes in the introduction that the book aims to
    defend the following paragraph:

    Medicine is Broken.
    Drugs are tested by the people who manufacture them, in poorly designed trials, on hopelessly small numbers of weird, unrepresentative patients, and analyzed using techniques which are flawed by design, in such a
    way that they exaggerate the benefits of treatments. Unsurprisingly, these trials tend to produce results that favour the manufacturer. When trials throw up results that companies don’t like, they are perfectly entitled to hide them from doctors and patients, so we only ever see a distorted picture of any drug’s true effects. Regulators see most of the trial data, but only from early on in a drug’s life, and even then they don’t give this data to doctors or patients, or even to other parts of government. This distorted evidence is then communicated and applied in a distorted fashion. In their forty years of practice after
    leaving medical school, doctors hear about what works through ad hoc oral traditions, from sales reps, colleagues or journals. But those colleagues can be in the pay of drug companies – often undisclosed – and the journals are too. And so are the patient groups. And finally, academic papers, which everyone thinks of as objective, are often covertly planned and written by people who work
    directly for the companies, without disclosure. Sometimes whole academic journals are even owned outright by one drug company. Aside from all this, for several of the most important and enduring problems in medicine, we have no idea what the best treatment is, because it’s not in anyone’s financial interest to conduct any trials at all. These are ongoing problems, and although people have
    claimed to fix many of them, for the most part they have failed; so all these problems persist, but worse than ever, because now people can pretend that everything is fine after all.

  • annie

    What part of the conclusion that specifically states that only 4 people were infected do you not understand?
    It was 4, not 88, as you posted.
    Nice try, but you are wrong.

  • annie

    John, shedding and transmission are not the same thing.

    Please provide me with studies showing that the risk of infection to an at risk person from shedding vaccines is equal to or greater than the risk of infection from the illness.

    Transmission caused by shedding is incredibly rare. Although there are a few studies showing one or two cases (with the exception of pertussis, which most will agree is not as effective as pro-vaxxers would like), given the millions of vaccines administered annually, if shedding actually caused transmission, we should be seeing massive outbreaks every year in countries with high vaccination rates. We aren’t seeing that.

    I would like to see a study that shows that X many people were vaccinated, and Y many people were infected directly from those freshly vaccinated people.
    In that same study, I would like to see that M many people had the illness, and infected P many other people.
    Then, I would like to see that Y is greater than P.
    Can you show me that?

  • annie

    I tried many times to contact Ms. Tenpenny, and at that time was very polite, followed proper channels, and requested discussion and her opinions, and was consistently denied each time.
    She had numerous opportunities to provide me with information, and chose not to.
    Because of her blatant refusals, I can only assume that she does not wish to engage in open discussion and debate.
    Also, knowing that numerous other people have had the same experience I have, I have decided that further attempts to be polite to her will be a complete waste of my time.
    At the time I was trying to contact her, I was still on the fence regarding vaccinations, and I made her very aware of that fact.
    Someone in possession of knowledge and evidence who refuses to provide same to someone who expresses an interest in learning, is truly not a mentor or someone to be proud of. She should be ashamed of herself.

  • annie

    OH guest, please, rant on!
    I love reading your conspiracy theories!

  • guest

    Whenever someone cries “conspiracy theory”, you can almost be sure that he is protecting or obscuring some vital information. Or, they simply have no place to go with an argument.

    You and J. Edgar Hoover loved to use that term conspiracy theory. I can’t wait for someone to toss that out because it’s a clear indication that they have lost the debate.

    But…………..keep this in mind the next time you think you can shut someone down tossing out that phrase:
    -President Richard Nixon and his aides conspired to cover up Watergate.
    – President Ronald Reagan and his aides conspired to cover up the Iran-Contra affair
    -Tuskegee syphilis experiment: there are still people today who believe it’s a conspiracy and never happened.
    -Operation Northwoods.
    -Operation Paperclip.
    -Fluoride Is Harmful For Your Teeth & health
    -Using A Cell Phone Can Cause Cancer Source:
    -Operation Mockingbird
    -The Pellagra Incident.
    -The CIA begins its study of LSD as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge.
    -U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health
    officials test victims for effects.

    All of the above and more were “conspiracy theories” until the FOIA was created and the populace got access to government files that proved those long term “conspiracy theories” were true.

  • Capt Ron

    I reviewed the scientific references posted on the “Trace Amounts” promotion web site. A good number of them are 5-15 years old and focus on vaccines that no longer contain the Thimerosol preservative. Are there some more recent studies?

  • Capt Ron

    A more current, credible & comprehensive assessment of Thimerosal in vaccines can be seen here:

    http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

  • Is your problem with the results or methods used in the studies?

  • Sue

    Well Captain Ron.. so you are not saying there all old eh.. Hey everyone Captain Ron has spoken … no need to watch anything LOL He has done his investigation or his review and we should take his word.. LOl Lol Lol……. Hey so you are admitting that there was damage caused in the past eh? But Captain Ron you do not want people to know of all the damage that is happening now do you?????????? and trying to put the focus on that eh.. Well maybe people can make up their own minds how about that.. And who are you Captain of….

  • Capt Ron

    Actually… My problem is with many of the “Cherry-Picked” studies posted here, my problem is with results & conclusions conjectured from poor research methodology and analysis! And… I really do have professional qualifications to assess that kind of thing.

  • Capt Ron

    I didn’t even assess the quality and validity of the other studies. And “Capt” is a military rank in the Navy – In a medical service field!

  • Sue

    You didn’t even assess the quality and validity of the other studies… Capt Ron.. this is like BIG Pharma Companies.. It doesn’t matter if what I say is true or not believe me believe me.. .. don’t worry about all the autism.. and no worries about there is 1 case of measles diagnosed to 7000 cases of autism.. does not matter if child hood cancers have sky rocketed.. Does not matter if our children are getting sicker and sicker… Capt Ron has spoken he is or was in the military.. and we know how good that is lol…He was in the medical service.. wow.. and yet he does not let us know who he really is .. we just have to believe that he does not work for the pharmaceutical companies.. Does that no sound like BIG Pharma.. all the proof in the world to say what is happening and the danger of vaccines.. but they keep on lying and keep on pulling sites like this to bits (well try to) and movies like TRACE AMOUNTS cause they are running scared.. the TRUTH is out there.Go away Capt Ron with your suppose medical background and your bull knowledge.. Look at our babies how sick they are .. And now they are trying to vaccinate CRADLE TO THE GRAVE…. If you had a heart at all you would be very concerned for the children of this world .. That is why i believe you work for a pharmaceutical company…..

  • Sue
  • Sue

    Oh Hannah Haha.. do you not realize everyday people write things.. and may not be up to your expectations.. but we are all different and not all as good at the written word.. but that does not take away the fact the VACCINES ARE DANGEROUS.. that our babies and children are getting sicker… so if you are so blimmin intelligent why can you not see what is in front of your face.. BECAUSE you work for BIG Pharma.. and all it takes is the $’sssss to buy your lies……

  • Sue

    Well I am not sold.. it is just a different tactic.. sorry not as trusting.. as in your way you are still ditching people who care very very much for the vaccine damaged..If I am wrong I am sorry .. but to say why the pros do not trust the the anti vaxxer.. have you only read one post .. have you not read the degrading post that the Pros write.. come on.but you seem to be just saying what the anti vaxxer say.. and I do think the anti vaxxer name is bull as most just want the freedom to choose and live and let live..there then would be no need for these sites….. I to am for free choice.. but i am honest about it…. Are you???????? Hasnnah Haha

  • eggman2

    Speaking about the Nazis. I came upon an article in a psychology journal once that exposed some psychologists theory about the origin of the Nazis. They argued that an epidemic of encephalitis in pre- Nazi Germany caused a sort of brain damage with psychopathic characteristics as a manifestation. And the illness affected many German children.

    We must point out that encephalitis has been caused by VACCINES. Yours truly, suffered encephalitis after an ” unauthorized by my parents ” vaccine. My son suffered a similar ” drifting into unconsciousness ” encephalitis after an ” unauthorized by me ” vaccine, but he oozed blood and clear liquid through skin lessions, also. I feel that my personality was changed, although I didn’t become disabled as expected, and IBM wanted to recruit me right after the illness at the age of 11. But my son can not control himself, and has been classified as mentally ill, even though he is intelligent.

    In 18 th and 19 th century Germany is where all this junk chemistry that produced VACCINES started. It all started with a brilliant German chemist by the name of Justus Liebig. You can call him ” Mr. Just a.big lie ” . His idea of dominating nature with chemistry, as being good science, was a lie. Students from all over Europe went to Germany to learn from him. Pasteur could have been one of his disciples. All this means that , if any country would have been more into vaccinations, it would have been Germany in the early 20th century.

  • eggman2

    But, we the antivaccine people are justified in our position , and the others are not. The others are stupid. Ha ha ha.

  • Very interesting eggman2! After WWll the US government brought Nazi scientist over to America in Opperation Paperclip. This is no conspiracy theory – this is a conspiracy fact.

  • Capt Ron

    OK… I’m really a high school dropout used cars salesman in Oklahoma City, And like most everyone else here, I have absolutely NO background, education or qualifications to comment on the issues posted.

  • Sue

    That sounds more like it……And of course you are thinking people who are as you stated….. “high school dropout used cars salesman in Oklahoma City, And like most everyone else here, I have absolutely NO background, education or qualifications”.. are people who do not have a say.. are are not qualified to know what is good for them.. so it is people like you who think you can rule and dominate others to say what they should put in their bodies.. Used Car Salesman from Oklahoma City does not have a say.. People who did not finish high school o not have a say..Some of the most educated people are WRONG…….And who are they educated by.. BIG Pharma .. who’s truth do they have??????

    Narcissists have a distorted and inflated sense of self. Have a hard time seeing others points of view or seeing flaws in their own thinking. Often feel that the world owes them something and have the expectation that everyone put them on a pedestal. YOU INSINUATE YOU ARE AN EXPERT……IN THE MEDICAL FIELD Capt Ron……

    This could be written for NOW…..
    I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. … corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.

    — U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864 (letter to Col. William F. Elkins) Ref: “The Lincoln Encyclopedia”, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)

  • eggman2

    Most people associate that Nazi immigration thing with the aerospace program, but there were other scientists in other fields , also. The medical drugs and mind control fields were also associated with it. They experimented with those things in the concentration camp prisoners during WWII, and many of the deaths in the camps were due to the experimentation.

    There was even a Spanish fascist ( That kind in Spain was associated with the Nazis. ) doctor, whose name I can’t remember, that came to the USA to conduct experiments in lobotomy and mind control.

    There is a psychiatrist in LA , whose name I can’t remember either, that says that psychiatric drugs are chemical lobotomy.

  • eggman2

    Your acceptance of a Nazi-like state that rules over people’s choices will have repercussions in your own life or the ones that you love ( if you love anyone ). Some day, people like you will find themselves in a situation where the people ruling over you will be obliging you to do something that you find very unacceptable, maybe completely scary, and you will have to do it because you have set the precedent. I will be okay with that, and might even laugh at your scared face.

  • eggman2

    Pseudo-science is the belief that injecting ” putrefactive-biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogenic, mutagenic, and teratogenic poisons ” ( VACCINES ) is good for anyone. Now, there are stupid people that say that they are pro vaccine that believe in that because they claim that science approves of it and recommends it. Well so called ” science ” recommends a lot of stupid things even to this day.

    Yes, where are the so called ” scientists ” denouncing our stupid medical system of parturition. The woman is strapped down in a horizontal position, the umbilical cord is cut ( The woman is extremely lucky if she didn’t get cut too.), and the baby is stupidly taken away to be injected with chemicals instead of being put to the mother’s breast. Lobotomies and electroshock were common practices before. How could scientists be so stupid ?

  • eggman2

    Bullshit, then go on TV instead.

  • eggman2

    But there is a difference. You are an unconcerned bullshiter with no experience on the subject –unlike the parents and children affected by vaccines. And you also must be a propaganda prostitute for the junk medicine robber barons.

  • eggman2

    Right on for Lincoln. Thanks Sue.

  • eggman2

    FDA ! That prostituted agency !

  • eggman2

    Right on Dr. Rima.

  • Sue

    I think that is what is so true.. dominating nature with chemistry.. mother nature is incredible but that is what BIG Pharma is doing dominating nature with chemistry, but they are doing it for money.. Thank you eggman2..

  • annie

    Yeah those stupid scientists….
    How dare they figure out how to keep all those injuries and deaths from polio, smallpox, and measles from happening. How dare they! We really need to go back to the days when diphtheria wiped out complete families – that would be better.

  • Fodor

    But the content of the article IS proof-less.
    What’s wrong with stating the truth about that?

  • Fodor

    Why do the methods matter, as long as you can cherry-pick ones with the results that you want and ignore all the others by claiming they are “biased”?

  • Fodor

    Except you are not really Tanya Marie Reid – just an imposter pretending to post as her.
    Sick.

  • guest

    Provide proof that the article is without merit. Prove that the article is fraudulent. Prove that the child did not receive 8 vaccines that changed the course of her life. Prove that the parents are lying.

  • Bob Akimbo

    Not sure if this article is a troll, but the sloppiness, misinformation, questionable sources, and especially the image of a child with a t-shirt that says “damaged” makes it appear so. Who would do that?

  • Lou Nunzio Loizides

    Amazing article especially considering the UK government shills said the vaccine was not experimental and had nothing to do with the autism. But I really think reference number 1 should be to one of the numerous studies backing up Dr Wakefields work and not to a blog.

  • eggman2

    Well, you are too stupid to understand that, when you infringe on the rights of someone, you are endangering your own rights. Why do you think that Thomas Payne, one of the founding fathers, said that he might not agree with what you are saying , but that he would fight for your right to say it ?

    There is no irrational attitude of entitlement in what the antivaccine people propose . But the stupid vaccinators are a different story. They believe that trampling on the rigths of others with no scientific evidence, evidence to the contrary, and no logic to their claims is sound politics. That is stupid.

  • annie

    “No scientific evidence” – it is impossible to even argue with that level of woo.
    Your paranoid delusions are amazing. I don’t know how you find the energy to get out of bed in the morning with that fear that everyone and everything is out to get you.
    It is sad that you believe that thousands of scientists over decades of research in hundreds of countries, studying millions of children and adults, are all lying to you.

  • eggman2

    Stupid people don’t understand that scientists are people, too.

    A degree in science doesn’t prevent you from being a liar or being stupid just like everyone else can be.

    It doesn’t prevent you from being obese.

    It doesn’t prevent you from eating junk food.

    It does not prevent you from driving an infernal combustion engine car and polluting the earth.

    They go to the toilet the same way that we do.

    They can spend most of the time covering for their bosses mistakes, rather than doing real science. That means that to keep their job, they have to prostitute themselves to their boss many times.

    Sometimes a scientist can give an opinion for which they have no expertise. For example, what is that guy Tyson doing talking about GMOs in You Tube ? He is an astrophysicist and not an agricultural ( prostituted ) scientist. One look at him–I can see that he is fat–and I know that he couldn’t give advice on nutrition, and agriculture is close to nutrition.

    Medical doctors can not give good advice about health when the average one lives to be about 52years old. The guy that used to sell me the medicinal herbs lived to be 106 years old, and was in all newspapers when he died. He had no degree, but I rather listen to someone like that, that lived twice as long. He avoided as many vaccines as he could for him, his wife, and his children. Jimmy Kimmel had a bunch of stupid medical doctors on his show promoting VACCINES, and they all looked half dead and unatractive–like if they were vaccinated many times over.

    If the stupid assertions ,of stupid vaccinators, about infectious diseases were true, there would be no people or animals left on earth.

  • eggman2

    If all scientists were smart and patriotic, they would all be doing publicity against the use of fossil fuels, GMO s , pesticides, junk food, junk medicines, the modern parturition method, VACCINES, nuclear energy, and so on.

    But they are people. Just like in any other groups of people, there are liars, psychopaths, prostituted to their bosses ones, idiots, and so on, among them.

  • annie

    You are very good at name-calling and pointing fingers.

    Show me your graduate degrees… show me your Nobel prize….

    Yes, some scientists are wrong.
    But, your assertion is that they are all wrong and you are right.
    And what scientific background do you have to make that claim? None.

    You sir, are a moron.
    Do you doubt the scientists who tell you that wearing your seatbelt protects you?
    Do you doubt the scientists who tell you that putting your child in a carseat protects them?
    Do you doubt the scientists who have cured many kinds of cancer?
    Do you doubt the scientists who developed solar and wind energy?
    But, from sheer ignorance, you doubt the thousands of scientists who have proven over and over again, that vaccines save lives.

    Again, I will state the obvious – you sir, are a moron.

  • eggman2

    So, you are so stupid that it flew over your head again, and you didn’t catch the meaning. So what is new ?

  • You KNOW what not so Capt Ron? I do not think and nor believe that the FDA is ever monitoring what is actually in those vaccines for mercury content? Go find me any information at all from the FDA where they detail when and how those amounts are verified by their staff employee’s as only trace amounts being left behind in the vaccine, from manufacturing? Go ahead as well and explain that process of mercury (Thimerosal) removal, after a vaccine has been production manufactured with the full amount in it? And that actually works?

    EXCLUSIVE: Natural News tests flu vaccine for heavy metals, finds 25,000 times higher mercury level than EPA limit for water
    http://www.naturalnews.com/045418_flu_shots_influenza_vaccines_mercury.html

    http://www.naturalnews.com/045705_flu_vaccine_mercury_heavy_metals.html

    http://www.naturalnews.com/047651_vaccines_mercury_flu_shot.html

    Shaken baby syndrome used to imprison parents to cover up vaccine damage
    http://www.naturalnews.com/049219_shaken_baby_syndrome_scientific_fraud_vaccine_damage.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • Say… SHILL… annie? Would you please before posting again, go and do some actual and real research, and please make an honest attempt to un-brainwash yourself?

    Pharmakeia The Sorcerer’s Wand
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gDnDE_WpU8&feature=youtu.be

    Origins of Medical Industry Corruption
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NheKUW6kGuY

    The False Foundations of Modern Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L-qSVqg37E&list=PLB3VkL0_ujawf_SRKVj4R8WB1m2HZepr_#t=260

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

    The Drug Story-A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

    Medical Mistakes are 3rd Leading Cause of Death in U.S.
    http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/medical-mistakes-are-3rd-leading-cause-of-death-in-us

    Now known a well done 2003 follow up study, to be all in all, so called modern medicine, to be the leading cause of death in the US, over that of heart disease and cancer death numbers; and they still think nothing is wrong with that.

    Death By Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    History shows polio caused by pesticide exposure, then was eradicated by decline in DDT use
    http://www.naturalnews.com/036290_polio_DDT_pesticide_exposure.html

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Tolerance Lost Vol 1/3 – 1of16 – Moulden (6 hrs of video) This at one time was all in a 2 DVD set which Dr Moulden had available. At his 2009 seminar in Sioux falls SD, he gave away multiple sets of those DVDs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZXM-TKvLN8

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

  • Wow. How impressive? The same old false pro-vax claims and the same old false propaganda re parroted over and over and over. Every question you have can be easily answered. However, all you are causing here is a repeat distraction and a diversion from researching and realizing any true vaccine reality. Why would anyone waste the time with people like you who obviously refuse to educate themselves. People like you who would write literally the extremely deep in denial pro-vax manifesto, such as the one that you just did here. It is beyond sickness that any person should continue to claim to such blinded by the false dogma, claims that you continue to do. Go ahead and list any and all conflicts of interest that you have before anyone spends all the needed time to answer to those questions and false claims. Otherwise, you are deserving of absolutely nothing.

  • Go ahead annie and find me even one single study that has shown the physiological safety profile of the current 2015 CDC vaccine schedule?

    Then find me a study showing the physiological safety profile of giving a small child from 5 to up to 9 vaccines in a single day and office visit? Any studies at all; much more a large scale study? Where are those studies, annie? Why is it not important to have those completed; as they never have been?

  • I think that the despicable and the most ugly part of the vaccine shilling that people like you annie do, is to DENY the existence of 1000’s of vaccine injured children. You have never looked for the evidence and never accepted the evidence. All of it just has to be yet entirely a coincidence, right? That’s what they tell you.

  • The only person who had a long pro-vax manifesto style rant full of lies here, was YOU, Annie. The blatant hypocrisy level here in what you claim to, is just amazing.

  • I would far more trust Dr Tenpennys information, over that of the biased and vaccine vested interests of Paul Offit, the CDC, and Pediatrics, any day!

    http://drtenpenny.com/about-dr-tenpenny/#

  • I do NOT want to see an article with a bunch of vested interests in vaccines lies in it, claiming that they have looked at VAERS and find nothing significant happening regarding vaccine injuries. As well VAERS is well know to only contain at best from 1 to 10% of the reportable vaccine reactions. That is largely because of doctors pharma schooled and brainwashed reluctance to ever report a vaccine injury. They always say it is a coincidence or has to be something else. I want to see a physiologically based study done on human beings with an identified number of those individuals in it? What do you not get about how vaccine safety studies should actually be done?

  • Go back to your shilliversity and just quit, annie! You are wasting your time here, and failing miserably.

  • You can twist it all you want but you actually presented with nothing. You as well have been explained to there why that is.

  • You need to stop simply believing all the lies they have fed you, and start doing some independent research.

    Research References, (endless)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

  • Answer the question; which case and where is the evidence of being dismissed?

  • Why don’t you start presenting evidence regarding Mercola’s so called rip offs? More ugly and hypocritical lies. How many millions does big pharma scam from the public and the government? Then top it off big pharma’s products often actually makes peoples health worse off, and as well their products out rightly kill people. Modern medicine, the leading cause of death in the US, in a 2003 study. Have you read that study? Why not?

    When you compare all that to what Dr Mercola provides, you can see why he appeals to so many people who want to maintain their health, and as well recover from what they can.

  • thewildeman2

    Responding to a post from 17 days ago? Lowell, you’re ignorant. The “evidence” you post is all from agenda sites that are so biased it’s discriminatory. I said what I said and I don’t have to prove it to the likes of you. Just trying to is a complete waste of time and energy. I won’t put that into you.

  • thewildeman2

    I walked away from this pointless discussion 17 days ago. It’s easy to look up. I don’t care what you want to know past that. Discussing anything with you is a wast of time.

  • eggman2

    That would be a lot better than what we have.

  • eggman2

    Don’t be stupid. Charles Darwin was a ministry student with no scientific degree, and the book that he had in his hands was the Bible, when he went on THE BEAGLE’s voyage. If you are open minded and truly logical, no stupid education that you might be exposed to will harm you.

    But if you are stupid, you will always have an excuse to embrace the most stupid notions, like: ” Injecting yourself with putrefactive-biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogenic, mutagenic, and teratogenic poisons ” ( VACCINES ) is good for you.

    People that made a difference in history were outliers; that means that they were out of the norm. Darwin, Einstein, Lincoln, and so on, were all outliers.

    Pasteur’s theory of germs as the one and only cause of disease was disproved by many and including his compatriot Claude Bernard. The reason being that pathogens are naturally present everywhere, but animals don’t get sick unless they are malnourished, or, more recently, have their bodies polluted. Malnutrition and pollution cause the weakness in the host that causes the pathogen to flourish.

    So, because of that, Pasteur changed his point of view, and acknowledged that the organism has to be weak in order to get infected and sick. The degree of the illness is conjunctive to the degree of weakness because of malnutrition and pollution in the body.

  • Hannah Haha

    I am absolutely honest. I’ve argued plenty against vaccines and have been attacked at each comment I’ve made. I am a new mother so you can believe it have read anything and everything I can find. I never thought twice about vaccines until I got pregnant and had to make the decision for my child. I still stand by the fact that insults get us no closer to our goal. You want it honest..I don’t care if you vaccinate your child or not, but I will make the decision for mine and nothing will take that away from me.

  • Hannah Haha

    You are ridiculous. You want so much to attack someone. It’s an important topic and deserves an article that people will take seriously.

  • Sue

    Good on you Hannah Haha.. that is what it is all about making your own informed decision..whether or not you do or don’t vaccinate you have made a free minded choice.. I guess some people get a bit more passionate than others as they have vaccines damaged children or family members so their is a lot more emotion put into their post and i will not deny I can be one of those.. Before I came on these sites did not know i had such fight in me.. but this is an extremely serious subject for our future generations..And we may get to a place where their is no turning back.Even though you may make your children safe.. they will marry when they grow up.. so hopefully your grandchildren will not inherit bad health thought their partner genes .. we have no idea what then future holds and it is scary… But i am a believer in FREEDOM OF CHOICE .. and respect you have that freedom..as would not want you to experience having a vaccines injured child.. it is a hard road to travel.

  • Sue

    Oh Hannah Haha..Show me all your articles.. can’t wait to see them.. the truth is out there.. and i give my opinion and get attacked for it.. well I guess that is what it is like to have passion..whether you are for or against.. ignore me if you dont like what i have to say honey..I will not miss you

  • Hannah Haha

    You can be passionate about something and defend your idea without being rude. I agree with you that this is a serious issue that affects the quality of life now and for many generations to come. We cannot continue to poison our children and our planet..not just with vaccines. However, people do not put as much trust or give credit to poorly written articles or informative documents as they would a well written one. That is a fact. That includes the comments we make on these articles as well. We can reach more people with well thought out and written and articles. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t have any idea how hard and painful it truly is to care for a vaccine injured individual, but I am appreciative of the struggle and grateful to the people who share their experiences so I am able to not go through the same.

  • km

    I do not know how long we have to put up with what the medical
    community and the drug companies will keep doing to keep their profits
    up. Congress passed a law in 1986 that grants all vaccine makers
    complete immunity from all lawsuits. Can you believe this? The only way
    things will change is if this law is repealed.

    Kindly sign this petition on Moveon.org

    http://petitions.moveon.org/si

    Please let your friends and family know and ask them to sign.

    And please use facebook, twitter, and all the social media you can.

    We
    must channel our anger and fight back! We need thousands of signatures
    to make an impact. Please sign and spread the word. Please make this
    cause your own!!

    Thanks.

    KM.

    PS: The CDC keeps telling us that there is no link between vaccines and autism.
    Please watch these videos. The first is by a medical doctor and the second is from a Computer Scientist in MIT.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

  • Sue

    What you have to realize that people on these sites come from every walk of life.. and every emotion and say what they think and at times with how passionate they are.. Posting snobbery is not the way to go .. I like the way you have written your post but sorry yours is not up to the standard I would like to see… When I know I am being attacked by a person who is paid to discredit sites like this.. yes it gets a little tiresome.. however sometimes it is good to read the post from the start to see how they have ended…. it is not up to you or me how or what people posts.. but reaction to them…. yes you can say what you like to a point.. but don’t give me advise…Have a good day and if you don’t like what I post ignore me and don’t post back easy peasy…..

  • Sue

    It is not just vaccines we have to worry about….243 people sick.. nor than the measles outbreak.. Oh Dear….Shigella bacteria.. I guess BIG Pharma will try and make another vaccines to make more money …

    We live in a nation that lacks the fundamental concept of accountability. Antibiotics being overprescribed have caused a massive influx and evolution (strengthening) bacterial infections which are ruining people’s vacations and more.

    The infection is caused by a Shigella bacteria which is due to over prescribing of antibiotics. It has mutated into a heavy duty, difficult to prevent, superbug. And that’s not good, not good at all.

    Shigella sonnei bacteria resistant to the antibiotic ciprofloxacin sickened 243 people in 32 states and Puerto Rico between May 2014 and February 2015,” the CDC said in a statement.

    Research by the CDC found that the drug-resistant illness was being repeatedly introduced as ill travelers returned and was then infecting other people in a series of outbreaks around the country.”

    CDC epidemiologists and local health officials tested cases in Massachusetts, California and Pennsylvania and found that nearly 90 percent of the patients were infected with bacteria resistant to ciprofloxacin (Cipro), which usually is the first drug tried against shigellosis. Before last year, just 2 percent of cases were Cipro-resistant.

    That’s bad news because most Shigella in the U.S. is already resistant to the antibiotics ampicillin and trimethoprim/sulfamethoxazole. It leaves fewer choices for treating the infections. (source | msnbc)

    So when do we get some accountability? The answer is never. In fact, this is likely just another opportunity to create another drug to sell and drive even more revenue. The cycle is maddening.

    http://edgytruth.com/2015/04/08/antibiotic-resistant-horrible-sickness-spreads-through-us-big-pharma-doctors-nowhere-to-be-found/

  • Sue

    I wish I could sign your petition.. but I do not live in the states.. however I hope you get thousands upon millions of signatures..

  • Sue

    A parent who does not want another parents to go through the same and save future children… Hiding this does not make it go away….

  • Sue

    Wow re reading your past post makes me even more concerned ab out your reasons for not acting like you have a concern about vaccines wow….

  • Cool story, bra.

  • Sounds legit. Too bad it’s all part of an anti-vaccine cult member’s erotic fiction.

  • Dirty Sanchez

    Yeah? Too bad the meaning of the words seems to escape you.

  • Cricket

    Right back at you, amigo ;o)

  • guest

    So you TROLLED aaround all night looking for a comment embedded on a board 508 comments so you can get your 5 cents a word? Or is it 6 cents a word now? Or maybe this applies to you:

    According to a new study, researchers have found that people who troll online often have nasty personalities. And, well, they like doing it. Trolls enjoy trolling.

    The researchers found that trolls scored highly on a number of personality traits examined: Machiavellianism, psychopathy, narcissism, extraversion, disagreeableness and sadism.

    Trolling is, according to the researchers (Buckels et al., 2014), the “practice of behaving in a deceptive, destructive, or disruptive manner in a social setting on the Internet with no apparent instrumental purpose.” People who troll like to post comments to websites or
    communities online that cause trouble, insult others, and cause general mayhem, just for the sheer pleasure of seeing what happens when they do so.

    Buckelsa, EE, Trapnellb, PD, Paulhusc, DL (2014). Trolls just want to have fun. Personality and Individual Differences. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.paid.2014.01.016

    My advice-get some professional help.

  • You’re assuming I’m a troll because I troll. It’s like me assuming you’re a bag of acetic acid used for feminine hygiene because you’re being a douchebag. Know what I mean. But, yes, I’ll get some professional help, especially because you, a random person on the web, told me to.

  • V. Valens

    wow there are so much wrong with this article
    1. chiari MALformation suggested developmental abnormality i.e. happens while the baby is growing. You honestly think a vaccine or any chemical means that can cause your brain to herniate ?
    2. the mother saw a “pre filled syringe” and she knew that it’s not a “normal” MMR? did she read the label? test the substance?
    3. how do you even know that it’s 8 in 1 vaccine? did someone test it? was there proof?
    4. proof of “measles” in patient’s blood almost 10 years after vaccination? come on, seriously?
    5. the parents actually look for a disgraced ex doctor? a fraud, a liar? someone who had to publicly admit that he fabricated his findings and actually lost his medical license?
    6. any ground that this article was based on, had lost all credibility by linking “scientific references” from youtube, and naturalmedicine…
    People need to learn how to do proper scientific research and not google

  • eggman2

    You Madame are stupid. According to you Abraham Lincoln had no right to become president, for he only had one year of formal schooling in his whole life. You disapprove of Einstein too, because he failed to prove his theory several times in front of his peers; to you that would mean that he didn’t know what he was doing.
    Those lowly bicycle mechanics from North Carolina ( the Wright brothers ) should not have invented the airplane. And what is a Bible carrying student of the Christian ministry ( Charles Darwin ) doing in the 19th century with a theory that revolutionized biology.( By the way, he died a Christian. )

    All I know is that ignorant people like you come as dime a dozen.

  • V. Valens

    Oh Sue, why is your logic so twisted? are you people so delusional that you have absolutely no concept for reality? btw, “edgytruth” isn’t a source. If i make a website that says God exist and riding a unicorn, are you going to believe it to?
    what do you think makes more money? making drugs or making vaccines? My advice is don’t do any work dealing with money, because you will fail miserably.
    You want to inject 3 doses of vaccines that costs 10/dose instead of milking out hundreds of dollars on drug for treatment? are you seriously that dense? Yeah the big pharma want to to create more vaccines so that they can lose more money from drug treatments, that’s logic right there.

  • Sue

    Well well V. Valens.. It is not vaccines or drugs it is vaccines and more drugs.They gain new customers all the time because of the horrific affects of vaccines long term… . you wally….It is your very sad opinion that only the sites you look at or get your info from and a good source.. and of course it would not matter how many sites I shared it would always to you and people like you not be a good source because you disagree.. that is the sad reality you are not for the health of our children just for a pay packet from BIG Pharma.. And as for your verbal attack which you can disagree but not with such venom .. you must be quite a sad lonely person..I wrote a month ago on this site.. and you are trolling as to your lonely life.. I almost feel sorry for you….

    EdgyTruth.com…..It appears the Secretary Of Health for the U.S. has been busy for the 2014 case year. Paying out 100’s of millions of tax payer dollars on vaccine injury claims.

    How do you feel about paying for the damages multi-billion dollar corporations cause to the citizens of this country through their vaccines?

    For those who are questioning the source : http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/…/FY14%20Annual%20Judgment%20…

    There is a war going on today for chemical-free food and water, and a war for personal liberties that allow citizens the right to have GMO foods labeled, and to opt out of vaccinations.

    It’s been only 70 years since World War II, and the mad scientists didn’t just go away, they went to work for corporations and pharmaceutical companies that run the vaccine and
    food industries now. Their heirs are continuing the “tradition” of making money by any means, with complete disregard for human sanctity.

    Right now in the USA, poisonous foods and vaccines cross over moral and ethical barriers regarding basic humanity and the welfare of mankind. The United States hasbecome a testing arena for Big Pharma’s dangerous vaccines and pharmaceuticals.

    Ingredients in vaccines include toxins and carcinogens known to cause adverse reactions that are severe and sometimes fatal.

    Most vaccines go virtually untested and success rates are based strictly on results from testing animals in a laboratory.

    Many vaccines contain thimerosal, a preservative made with methyl mercury, which is extremely toxic to the central nervous system.

    Many vaccines contain chemical adjuvants, like squalene, which cause inflammation of the central nervous system.

    Autism is a neurological disorder. Vaccine ingredients break down peptides in the body which regulate the CNS, severely disrupting specific high cognitive functions and processes all characteristic of autism.

    Rates of autism have doubled in past decade.

    More than 1 in every 100 children in the U.S. are diagnosed with autism, which is the highest rate of any population in all of history.

    H1N1 vaccine greatly enhanced health risks for elderly, children, and those with heart disease, breathing issues and diabetes.

    The main group of scientists who convinced the World Health Organization to declare the H1N1 a “pandemic” had financial ties to the drug companies that profited.

    Australia banned flu vaccines in children after reports of seizures, and Finland banned H1N1 vaccines after linking them to narcolepsy in children.

    Injecting genetically modified bacteria and viruses runs the risk of causing a cytokine storm in the body, which is an exaggerated immune system response to a highly pathogenic invader. When a cytokine storm occurs in the lungs, fluids and
    immune cells accumulate and eventually block off the airways, often resulting in death.

    For most of modern mankind, medical experiments are envisioned as happening in a laboratory environment with use of rats and mice, but modern Western medicine has devolved into a money making scheme which outsmarts the general public and uses them as the mice.

    Fact #2

    Over 75% of physicians in the world refuse chemotherapy for themselves!

    Research using polls and questionnaires continue to show that 3 of every 4 doctors and scientists would refuse chemotherapy for themselves due

    to its devastating effects on the entire body and the immune system, and because of its extremely low success rate. On top of that, only 2 to 4% of all cancers even respond to chemotherapy or prove to be “life extending,” yet it is prescribed across the board for just about every kind of cancer

    Polls were taken by accomplished scientists at the McGill Cancer Center from 118 doctors who are all experts on cancer. They asked the doctors to imagine they had cancer and to
    choose from six different “experimental” therapies. These doctors not only denied chemo choices, but they said they wouldn’t allow their family members to go through the process either!

    What does that say about their true opinion of this archaic method?

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades….

  • V. Valens

    First as your comment on you wrote it a month ago? I only was directed to this site yesterday..so keep your whining down yah?
    Second of all seriously? you seriously going back in time to say vaccines and autism are related? do you know what autism is? are you living under a rock? wakefield’s fail attempt at fraud is publicly known for years…
    Edgytruth got as much truth as sighting of the lochness monster
    Refuse chemotherapy? where’s your source? where’s your evidence? cause i got sources that said god created hurricane katrina as punishment for homosexuality too. What are you going to do sue? take them to gay island as they used to do for lepers?

  • Sue

    “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place..

    “That propaganda is good which leads to success, and that is bad which fails to achieve the desired result. It is not propaganda’s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success.” ….. Speaks volumes for people like you…

    And tbhis is one for BIG Pharma and MONSANTO..“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”

    Well sadly yes I have frist hand experience with Autism… and was caused through vaccination.. secondly you are quite a stupid person.You have very very old information…. why do you do your homework properly….. and I don;t really care when you came on here not one little bit.. but you are just not doing your home work ..I am not interested in people like you who just want to attack personally..You are a joke…
    One good thing though it gives me a chance to share info and hopefully other readers will see you as what you are and do their own homework.. If you don’t like what I have to say.. don’t read and don’t post back…..

    “You can’t just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution.” ~Tyree Scott

    1. Dr. Nancy Banks – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F_yj1T8Qu8

    2. Dr. Russell Blaylock – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QBcMYqlaDs

    3. Dr. Shiv Chopra – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz8l2JkUf5g

    4. Dr. Sherri Tenpenny – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO2xn9Svp6g

    5. Dr. Suzanne Humphries – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUORtLSg19E

    6. Dr. Larry Palevsky – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2IgLj2If44

    7. Dr. Toni Bark – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQJ1XdA60dQ

    8. Dr. Andrew Wakefield – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Xpl4uYRBc

    9. Dr. Meryl Nass – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oimq1YrDi3w

    10. Dr. Ghislaine Lanctot –https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8o_AWOx3QU

    11. Dr. Robert Rowen – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtJwNKvHh2Y

    12. Dr. David Ayoub – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQnTVD4CR8c&feature=youtu.be

    13. Dr. Boyd Haley PhD – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQYISvsgq6s

    14. Dr. Rashid Buttar – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQYISvsgq6s

    15. Dr. Roby Mitchell – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r051fXtfng8

    16. Dr. Ken Stoller – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnD8Il2PS9E

    17. Dr. Mayer Eisenstein – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w42NvOJZvXg

    18. Dr. Frank Engley, PhD – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T0Qcbx48YM

    19. Dr. David Davis – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LfipChRciY

    20. Dr Tetyana Obukhanych – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h66beBrEpk

    21. Dr. Harold E Buttram – http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/…/vaccines-and-brain-inf…/

    22. Dr. Kelly Brogan – http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/…/a-shot-never-worth-tak…/

    23. Dr. RC Tent – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuDvRSvyz5Y

    24. Dr. Rebecca Carley – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WoMps4Pmpo

    25.. Dr. Andrew Moulden – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9bKYm1uCWE

    26 . Dr. Jack Wolfson – http://www.azcentral.com/…/12news-doctor-dont-vac…/22200535/

    27. Dr. Michael Elice – http://vaccineimpact.com/…/dr-michael-elice-m-d-media-prom…/

    28. Dr. Terry Wahls – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kwgkI1RkF0&feature=youtu.be

    29. Dr. Stephanie Seneff – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5BF0x354BI

    30. Dr. Paul Thomas – http://vaccineimpact.com/…/dr-paul-thomas-m-d-preserve-med…/

    31. Many doctors talking at once – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhweeOmOn6sSimilar Podcasts You Might Like:

  • V. Valens

    going to youtube to learn is like trying to get a university degree at a kindergarten…
    no, you don’t have first hand experience with “vaccine induced autism”. How hypocritical of you, i don’t do homework? did you miss out on the fact that wakefield was outted as a fraud and forced to retract his so called “findings” on autism and got his license pulled? oh right you did…

  • V. Valens

    It’s people like you who read the 2 pages of instruction for taking drugs. Page 1: take this drug when you are sick (pop in the pill) and miss out on Page 2: (due to page break) and you will suffer severe side effects including death.
    Then whined about how evil and harmful said drug was and how big pharma lied about it

  • Sue

    OMG I knew you were un intelligent but you just got worse… You are a joke honey.. and to be honest well just a joke…. and i am sure a very very lonely person..

  • V. Valens

    really? that’s your come back? you have nothing to go one to defend your antivax stance so you just call people names? that’s really sad

  • Sue

    Hi Propaganda who works for BIG Pharma V. Valens.Fellow posters don’t be fooled by V. Valens.. this person is using numerous names and working for BIG Pharma to discredit anyone asking questions and discussing vaccines…..
    You state to me… “really? that’s your come back?” V. Valens all you want is a boxing match.. you are not interested in the truth .. you are here to disrupt all who post and disagree with your employer BIG Pharma.. we know you work for them d you go under many different names on here…… and your tactics are like this to every poster you post to.There is no discussion just you just attack everyone post.You are a joke…. and are here to try and cause damage.. but I am sure those who are looking for answers will just pass you by.. and who would blame them.. You make absolutely no sense..it is your campaign to just disagree .. do you think we do not realize that.. Names like Doc Tenpenny are very scary to you as you do not want people to look at these sites.. as they will find out the truth.. if you are so confident in being right why do you not tell people to look at these sites.. and make up there own mind V. Valens .. NO you will come back with your well silly tactics.. By the way I am not antivax I am pro choice…. big difference..

  • V. Valens

    lol tenpenny is a fraud, i showed you the proof on her site and you can’t even defend her
    yes, you’re not antivax, you’re pro disease :)
    and i’m working for big pharma? lol, you know so much even to who i work for, but sadly like everything you posted, you’re wrong, i’m not even associated with them even by 6 degrees of separation. But nevertheless, thank you for the entertainment while I go on breaks

  • Sue

    Hi Propaganda who works for BIG Pharma V. Valens.Fellow posters don’t be fooled by V. Valens.. this person is using numerous names and working for BIG Pharma to discredit anyone asking questions and discussing vaccines..

    Doctors you keep bringing up sad sad.. there was 32 doctors.. and all you can do is bring up 2.because you know they speak the truth….. You showed me proof.. honey all you show is how ridicules your comments are Hey Propaganda… I am not interested in talking to a TROLL.. so go and discuss your utter rubbish with others..

    An a amazing movie must watch…. TRACE AMOUNTS – the documentary
    on mercury and its … traceamounts.com/

    THE GREATER GOOD……….. a Vaccine movies as well.. really really good….

    DOCTORED This movie is a good watch at basically how BigPharma got it stronghold http://www.doctoredthemovi……

    “Bought”
    2014 a jeff hay movie about the so called modern medical profession and how the
    demonize…

    The Truth About Cancer http://thetruthaboutcancer.com… AMAZING

  • V. Valens

    there are 32 dr like you said but how about you talk about the 2 i bring up? tenpenny speaks the truth? she was refused out of Australia, not the country, the CONTINENT. wakefield was a fraud, forced to retract his paper and lost his medical license. How about you address those 2 first before i move on to the rest of them ?

  • Sue

    Hey PROPAGANDA.. here we go again.. you do not tell me what questions I will answer PROPAGANDA….don’t be fooled by V. Valens.. this person is using numerous names and working for BIG Pharma to discredit anyone asking questions and discussing vaccines

    Dr Tenpenny was allowed in Australia she decided not to come.GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PROPAGANDA.. I live in Australia.. And it was because of this amazing person that I am on this journey.. PROPAGANDA.. You are on a journey to get a pay packet… PROPAGANDA….with your many names…..

  • V. Valens

    lol she decided not to come? you mean after ALL her events were cancelled? while we’re on tenpenny, why don’t you tell me about her useless vitD she’s selling on her website that i asked you before.
    and what about wakefield? sears?

  • Sue

    Hey PROPAGANDA I am still waiting on your contact details … how about that…

    Propaganda who works for BIG Pharma V. Valens.Fellow posters don’t be fooled by V. Valens.. this person is using numerous names and working for BIG Pharma to discredit anyone asking questions and discussing vaccines

  • Lar Bergen

    How about some anecdotal evidence? I’ve seen enough personally to know something is fetid in Lodgeline in terms of debilitation of people of all ages. So I want you to get a battery of all the vacs they recommend for you and then report back.

  • V. Valens

    asking about anecdotal evidence is like confirming unicorn exist

  • AutismDad

    You’re a clown who doesn’t know about this families experience and your judgements are simply cruel and ignorant. Get a life

  • ang

    Oh god bless you, continue your fight

    Your quote Parents dealing with severely vaccine-injured children sometimes ask themselves, is it fair to keep them alive in so much constant pain?

    My baby died at three days old, not vaccine injured, half a heart due to me taking (apparently safe) zoloft for the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. I agree totally, I had to turn off his life support… I watched him go from healthy, to having horrific painful fits, and go blind due to near 100% oxygen needed to keep him alive.

    Now? After 19 bloody years? They suing in USA, 1000 people suing zoloft, all those poor injured babies, nearly 20 years of them.. I been trying for 19 damn years, to stop this happening……I cant sue, I live in Australia? I been trying for 19 years, even my initial report to the TGA has gone missing?

    I admire your strength and courage, keep fighting, for all of us… I will keep fighting, for all babies, to never suffer, at the abuse of Big Pharma.

  • ang

    ??? you serious? You want to hurt people grieving, why????

  • ang

    79 comments, no followers, and following no one… Just go to bed please! V Valens!
    Oh by the way, you got any vaccinated after 1997? Pertussis vaccine total failure… Anyone vaccinated can give their own babies whooping cough, or anyone with the vaccine after 1997, carriers of the disease. If you dont listen, dont research, and you have a whooping cough baby death, well i warned ya!

  • ang

    Yes and HIV is a man made disease… read about it… what is your problem V Valens no one at home to rant and rave to?

  • ang

    Read the article, this girl is so ill , have you no empathy at all? What is your problem.. Are the parents lying?

  • ang

    Then why are you so nutty, if you dont get paid for it?

  • V. Valens

    lol man made disease…

  • V. Valens

    simply yes. It’s bad that she’s ill sure, but to blame it on something you’re not certain about? irresponsible

  • ang

    she got 70 posts no followers. ignore her.. I wouldnt have believed people get paid to rant and rave nonsense, now I believe it. I just flagged all her comments, doesnt disqus /vactruth ban people like this one? No statistics, no research, no quotes, just abuse? I am amazed, these poor parents are suffering, their child is ill, and such ? we get V Valens? She has an abusive belitting ignorant voice, in the real world she doesnt. Weird.

  • V. Valens

    why do i care if i have a follower or follow anyone? it’s not a popularity contest.
    you don’t know what carrier of disease means do you? do you do research on how your immunity works?

  • V. Valens

    you got 582 comments and zero followers; pot kettle arent we?
    i wonder if you people got paid by fraud like greenmedinfo, vacfacts and frauds to drum up some vaccine scares so that people flock to their fake supplement and help line their pockets. Wonder why disquus doesn’t ban people like this one

  • ang

    They got the proof, they got the signed records? Do you understand? Nah, I give up! Hannah Haha got one follower, wonder if that is that lady above… think both would at least follow each other, improve their statistics.

  • ang

    I am a pathologist, and you? I took lots and lots of pertussis tests, all positive, all in fully vaccinated children, in the pertussis outbreak Western Australia 2010. And yes, the immunity of the 1997- vaccine falls from 80% to less than 35% in five years. And yes while having vaccine immunity, the vaccinated carry the disease, in their throats, spreading it everywhere, but had no symptoms. When the immunity fell low enough, they infected themselves. Australia Health department? what does one do? Be logical, we dont recommend reimmunising kids with the failed vaccine….we..allow all the kids to get real immunity, from the real disease. What is the point revaccinating them, they still carriers, they still have vaccine immunity failure after another 5 years (ie when they are parents).., Yes mothers are now infecting their own babies… the vaccine immunity doesnt carry thru the breastmilk, but the mothers can be carriers of the disease?
    Is that simple enough for you? How many damn references do you want? Just google it!

  • ang

    Parents dealing with severely vaccine-injured children sometimes ask themselves, is it fair to keep them alive in so much constant pain?. when were you vaccinated? V Valens, did you bother to keep a record? after 1997? yes you could give pertussis to your own baby.. You got a daughter vaccinated post 1997? REALITY CHECK… she could be a carrier of pertussis, without symptoms, and pass it to her own baby (oh and the vaccine immunity dont pass in her breastmilk)… A serious health worry !!! YES Worldwide, serious health problem!!! The kids vaccinated post 1997 with the failed GMO vaccine? Now 17- how many babies are now going to get pertussis, all because of a failed vaccine? YES A SERIOUS WORLD PROBLEM… USE THE NET, RESEARCH!

  • ang

    No you aint popular, because you dont state your references, your qualifications, anything, just ignorant and damaging, statements. What references do you need, you seem unable to use google search engine?

  • ang

    I hqave 9 grandchildren, new vaccines, lots and lots of new vaccines. I never heard of autism. I got 4 out of 9 with autism? Why? Ignorance is bliss, truth is heaven.

  • ang

    Research, you will find it. Monkeys were used for vaccines (no longer used due to HIV etc)… the monkeys had viruses, not harmful in monkeys, so bad batch of vaccine? not only got your immunisation, you got injected with monkey live genetics, called HIV, two other monkey viruses? they cause cancer. BRAVE NEW WORLD! YOU RESEARCH IT, ITS ALL ON THE NET.

  • ang

    Two bad batches (HIV INFECTED) one went to Africa, one went to California…… Do you really believe AIDS orginated from no where? That god sent it to infect homosexuals and drug users? Get real, it is transferred by bodily fluids, ie blood,

  • ang

    Damn rude to call them liars, without proof… You a nasty, nasty person.

  • ang

    What are your qualifications?

  • ang

    You are a carrier of ignorance.

  • Sue

    V. Valens Nick name Propi short for Propaganda really does talk a load of old rubbish.. don’t listen to her.. Ang..

  • Sue

    YOu are back Propi.. well news flash you were not missed.. and in your world maybe unicorns do exist

  • Sue

    Hi Propaganda who works for BIG Pharma V. Valens .Fellow posters please don’t be fooled by V. Valens.. this person is using numerous names and working for BIG Pharma to discredit anyone asking questions and discussing vaccines…..

  • Sue

    Well hello again Propaganda and you know you work for BIG Pharma V. Valens.. Did they give you another chance.. as you were not doing that great…Fellow posters don’t be fooled by V. Valens.. this person is using numerous names and working for BIG Pharma to discredit anyone asking questions and discussing vaccines…..

  • Sue

    “When I was training, one in 2,500 [children were autistic]. Now it is one in 250. At the moment, the only logical explanation for this is MMR.” — Dr Kenneth Aitken, British specialist in the treatment of autism. (The Telegraph, United Kingdom, April 2, 2002) and Propi we now know it is 1 and 68 some say closer to 1 in 50……

    “By the (U.S.) government’s own admission, there has been a 41% failure rate in persons who were previously vaccinated against the (measles) virus.” — Dr. Anthony Morris, John Chriss, BG Young, “Occurrence of Measles in Previously Vaccinated Individuals,” 1979; presented at a meeting of the American Society for Microbiology at Fort Detrick, Maryland, April 27, 1979.

    “There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway.” — Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the US Federal Drug Admin.)

    “Our results suggest that infants whose mothers are born since measles vaccine licensure in 1963 are significantly more susceptible to measles than are infants of older mothers and that the risk of measles increases incrementally with each year increase in the maternal year of birth.” — “Increased Susceptibility to Measles in Infants in the United States,” Pediatrics, Nov. 5, 1999.

  • Sue

    The world seems not to have moved on very much Propi.. a little like you.. except sadly there are so many more vaccine damaged children…

    “The (Illinois) department followed the recommendation of a panel of experts, its Immunization Advisory Committee, while rejecting the advice of others who thought the decision should be left to parents and pediatricians. But in what critics consider a conflict of interest, 5 of the committee’s 18 members have financial ties to Merck, which makes the chickenpox vaccine. Two members of the committee have given talks for Merck, receiving up to $750 per speech. A third member directs a nonprofit group that has received $20,000 in grant money from the company. And two other members own stock in Merck, including one who has owned as much as $16,000 worth.” – (Sun Times, January 27, 2002)

    The HEW reported in 1970 that as much as 26 percent of children receiving rubella vaccination, in national testing programs, developed arthalgia or arthritis. Many had to seek medical attention and some were hospitalised to test for rheumatic fever and rheumatoid arthritis. (Science, US, March 26, 1977.)

    This vaccine has been shown to cause serious reactions including convulsions, anaphylactoid allergic reactions, serum sickness-like reactions and death. (Pediatrics, 1987, Milstien et al., 80: 270-274.)

    A case-control study has shown that 41 percent of meningitis occurred in children vaccinated against the disease. The vaccine’s protective efficacy was minus 58 percent. This means that children are much more likely to get the disease if they are vaccinated. (JAMA, 1988, Osterholm et al., 260: 1423-1428.)

    “The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons.” (Review article: 50 REFS. Dept. of Internal Medicine, Mayo Vaccine Research Group, Mayo Clinic and Foundation, Rochester, MN. Archives of Internal Medicine. 154(16):1815-20, 1994 Aug 22. )

    Measles vaccination produces immune suppression which contributes to an increased susceptibility to other infections. Clinical Immunology and Immunopathology, May 1996; 79(2): 163-170.

  • Sue

    hey propi Mmm a little bit more info to welcome you back…..I’ll be seeing ya..

    Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses; the death rate quadrupled as a result. (Physician William Howard Hay’s address of June 25, 1937; printed in the Congressional Record)

    “Our children face the possibility of death or serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that aren’t necessary or that have very limited benefits” –Jane M. Orient, MD, AAPS (Association of American Physicians and Surgeons) Executive Director.

  • V. Valens

    1937 wow so relevant…

  • V. Valens

    Fellow posters, don’t be fooled by Sue…this person is posting using numerous names and working for frauds like tenpenny to drum up some business about her fake supplements…

  • V. Valens

    what’s yours?

  • V. Valens

    typical reply of an antivax

  • V. Valens

    did i call them liars? where’s your proof… You a nasty, nasty person.

  • V. Valens

    people are being injected with monkey viruses? wow
    if it’s on the net it must be truth right? because everything on the net is facts right?

  • V. Valens

    you just admitted that you’re uneducated and ignorant. No, the autism rate didn’t skyrocket when they started vaccination in vn

  • V. Valens

    did you state your qualification? aside from calling people names and labelling them?

  • V. Valens

    lol vaccine immunity doesn’t pass in milk? ever heard of IgG?
    do you know what’s GMO is?

  • V. Valens

    a pathologist? as in a specialized doctor in infectious diseases? and you don’t know the foundation of basic immunology? where did you graduate from the University of Fail Whales?
    if you’re a pathologist, i’m sure you must have subscription from NEJM, or pubmed, show me from references from there

  • Al Mather

    Pretty hoaky. I think they mean decline when they say demise as well..right? At least here in the US demise means death.

  • Al Mather

    Ang was following me …I ditched her.

  • Al Mather

    Really Ang…explain to us about the “GMO” vaccine.

  • Al Mather

    I’m sure you’ll be able to analyze and summarize this study http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3234451/
    and tell us where you think their hypothesis diverge from your understanding of SIV to HIV transmission …y’know …since you’re a Pathologist. Please do your best to dumb it down for us layman.

  • Al Mather

    When they got nothing they always fall back on the shill gambit..https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-pharma-shill-gambit/

  • Sue

    “Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.” and I do not think human beings have changed do you.. well in less you take into consideration the vaccine damage…..

    Let us not forget….or Propy is it your working for BIG Pharma that you need to show people that this is not important????

    Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses; the death rate quadrupled as a result. (Physician William Howard Hay’s address of June 25, 1937; printed in the Congressional Record)

  • Sue

    Well done Propi.. ha ha using the truth about your self and suggesting it is NO Not Me….NO Me Not Me.. Transference.. Oh dear..

    Propaganda you know you work for BIG Pharma V. Valens.. are you on your last another chance.. as you were not doing that great…Posters don’t be fooled by V. Valens.. this person is using numerous names and working for BIG Pharma to discredit anyone asking questions and discussing vaccines…..

  • Sue

    Kettle Black.. MMmmm……..me think he does protest too much.. I will continue sharing so the good folks out there wanting to do there own homework can.. Free Choice for your own bodies.. and look into all the toxic chemicals in vaccines and the damage it does…The sad thing is that poster like Al Mather don;t care about the devastating health affects.. they just want that vaccines injected into your little babies and children to make more money for BIG Pharma….

    Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses; the death rate quadrupled as a result. (Physician William Howard Hay’s address of June 25, 1937; printed in the Congressional Record)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0VP38JjqpE&feature=youtu.be

    A case-control study has shown that 41 percent of meningitis occurred in children vaccinated against the disease. The vaccine’s protective efficacy was minus 58 percent. This means that children are much more likely to get the disease if they are vaccinated. (JAMA, 1988, Osterholm et al., 260: 1423-1428.)

    The HEW reported in 1970 that as much as 26 percent of children receiving rubella vaccination, in national testing programs, developed arthalgia or arthritis. Many had to seek medical attention and some were hospitalised to test for rheumatic fever and rheumatoid arthritis. (Science, US, March 26, 1977.)

    Since the widespread use of the mumps vaccine, the incidence of the disease has shifted to adolescents and adults who are much more susceptible to the complications of testicular and ovarian infection which can lead to sterility. During the period between 1967 and 1971 the annual average cases of mumps in persons greater or equal to 15 years of age was 8.3 percent; in 1987 this same age group accounted for 38.3 percent of cases, which is more than an eightfold increase. (MMWR, Mumps – United States, 1985-1988. 1989; 38: 101-105.)

  • Al Mather

    “This is why it’s important to keep the pressure on these people, whether it’s the internet hordes pummeling Jenny McCarthy via Twitter the other day or column after column devoted to highlighting the direct role that anti-vaccination advocates are playing in the resurgence of diseases long thought conquered. There’s principle behind it: a desire to see enlightenment trump ignorance and to stem the tide of conspiracy theorist misinformation; a visceral recoiling at the notion that in the year 2014, with the accumulation of fact we can summon in an instant, there’s still a willingness to believe things for which there isn’t an ounce of proof offered by respectable sources. But beyond the abstract there’s a direct and dire reason to never given an inch to the anti-vaccination crowd: because their actions are going to cause physical harm to others for no reason other than their own ignorance.”

  • Sue

    Mmm in one of your statements of .. leaves the places completely free of smallpox… well I do not think so.. NO you are more interested in personality assassination

    Internet TROLLS, also known as “forum posters”, “internet bloggers,” or if we call them what they really are, SHILLS, are increasingly being recruited by corporations or subcontracted agencies not only formarketing (Exposing Cyber Shills and Social Media’s Underworld) orpolitical purposes (Definition of a sock puppet), but also, to distract from the truth to prevent public outcry about hazardous programs such as geoengineering (climate engineering & weather modification), dirty archaic energy (oil-Keystone XL pipeline, gas-fracking), the dangers of genetically modified foods (GMOs, big ag, biotech, warfare chemical companies), vaccine risks, Smart Meters, 9/11 questions, and EVERY issue where profiteers put their bottom line and lust for control, over the destruction of the planet at the expense of our health & sustainability of the planet…. Mmm sounds like you LOl.. and of course the devastation of vaccine damage….

    Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses; the death rate quadrupled as a result. (Physician William Howard Hay’s address of June 25, 1937; printed in the Congressional Record)….Of course we are going back to 1937.. and honest history is not your strong point…..

  • V. Valens

    Human being have not changed? i guess not seeing how you’re still stuck in the close minded ignorant 30s. Tell me Sue, you still believe in slavery?

  • V. Valens

    you kept using big words like transference among others sue, but i don’t think you know what it means

  • Sue

    Yes now we are discussing slavery.. Hey don’t thik this site is about that.. maybe you need to look for another site.. to dribble on …. However don’t you think that is what BIG Pharma wants slavery to its vaccines… Well do you think we are different from the 30’s we still bleed we are still getting vaccine damaged.. yes sadly we do not learn from history.. OH wait maybe they can find a vaccine to stop us bleeding…. Mmm what do you think Propi..

    Smallpox eh.. what devastation……

    Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses; the death rate quadrupled as a result. (Physician William Howard Hay’s address of June 25, 1937; printed in the Congressional Record)….Of course we are going back to 1937.. and honest history is not your strong point….

  • Sue

    If the shoe fits…
    Internet TROLLS, also known as “forum posters”, “internet bloggers,” or if we call them what they really are, SHILLS, are increasingly being recruited by corporations or subcontracted agencies not only formarketing (Exposing Cyber Shills and Social Media’s Underworld) orpolitical purposes (Definition of a sock puppet), but also, to distract from the truth to prevent public outcry about hazardous programs such as geoengineering (climate engineering & weather modification), dirty archaic energy (oil-Keystone XL pipeline, gas-fracking), the dangers of genetically modified foods (GMOs, big ag, biotech, warfare chemical companies), vaccine risks, Smart Meters, 9/11 questions, and EVERY issue where profiteers put their bottom line and lust for control, over the destruction of the planet at the expense of our health & sustainability of the planet.

  • Sue

    Oh dear from slavery to Tranfernace.. dear oh dear.. you poor soul.. you are really trying your best to keep your job….Transference in your case by your conscious redirection of blame… Oh no no it is not Vaccines it is not Big Pharma.. it is those anti vaxxers.. Oh no I am telling the truth.. it is them.. please believe me …You are trying your best Propi..But transferring the blame though lies and personal attacks.. will not win.. as the TRUTH is out there..

    “The incidence of asthma has been found to be five times more common in vaccinated children.” -The Lancet, 1994.

    “There is no doubt in my mind that in the U.K. alone some hundreds, if not thousands, of well infants have suffered irreparable brain damage needlessly (due to being vaccinated).” – Prof. G. Stewart, Dev. Biol. Stand. Vol. 61: pp 395-405. 1985.

    And if vaccines are so so safe….

    “In the USA the vaccination lobby has made the US Government shoulder the vaccine manufacturers liabilities. The Government established a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in 1986 and has paid out in excess of $1 billion to families for vaccine injuries, mainly from the whooping cough vaccine. The Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting Scheme of the FDA admits 12,000 to 14,000 reports annually and agree that only 10 to 15% of adverse reactions are reported.”

  • V. Valens

    so i’m guessing that you grow your own vegetable/fruit/grain, produce your own electricity, build your own internet, built your own car etc etc
    you don’t use anything that’s from the “big corporation” do you? hmmm i wonder what you use to type that reply? a PC, a MAC, on your iPhone or smartphone? hypocrite much are we?

  • Sue

    Guess away.. Oh Propi.. you are sad.. but I guess that is what PIG Pharma said when they hired you to do their bidding… look stupid so they don’t see though you…. I think you have taken their advice to far…The sad thing is you don’t know what it is to use an example..and there it is again that clutching at straws.. Oh BIG Pharma let Probi keep her job..

  • V. Valens

    so you can’t defend against the fact that you’re a hypocrite?

  • V. Valens

    again with the outdated reports, who are you trying to convince? yourself? If nothing in this world is 100%, why are you expecting vaccines to work 100%? seriously name 1 thing that works 100% of the time

  • V. Valens

    1937 isn’t this century Sue, you just proved my point that you’re stuck behind on the time. The fact that you don’t see the advancement in technology and your denial and deflection about every single thing i pointed out is proof enough. Hell let’s just think about this, the “big pharma” wants to make money, making drugs is more profitable than preventing diseases so if you really think about it, it is YOU, SUE, who works for the big pharma trying to scare people away from vaccination so that they can make more money on curing diseases instead. GAME, SET AND MATCH. Lady, you’ve been pwned

  • Sue

    For one reason or another, people will find a reason to project their insecurities, their negativity, and their fears onto posters with the truth.. I think what is interesting is the this a site about Vaccine Truth.. and the damage vaccines can do.. so it is obvious those who come on to try and do as much damage as possible with their sad half truths and lies.. bow down to vaccines as the holy grail will do all they can to demonize those who are care so much about our babies and children being vaccine damaged..and the health of future generations..

    But those of us who are looking for the truth asking questions and sharing valuable information…are attacked relentlessly ….. personal assassination not only doctors who are trying to save our babies and children from a lifetime of vaccine damage but all that disagrees with the almighty BIG Pharma.. is a must for the TROLLS to discredit them and lie every chance they get….They will never look at the information that is shared. but pull out their lies and attacks on the person/people who write the information and discredit.. as they know the information to be true..So they think if their is doubt planted they will win.. as to how BIG Pharma has worked…Well Mm we will see.. We have care and the truth on lour side…

    Vaccine Injury Compensation, Hearing Before the Subcommittee on Health and the Environment, 99th Congress, 2nd Session (July 25, 1986) p 214 “The vaccination lobby shamelessly takes all the children of this world as hostages to still their greed for money and power. They relentlessly abuse our compassion for the weaker and our concern about health to promote their giga-business. No matter what. No matter how many more vaccine victims will suffer death or side-effects. No matter how many financial resources this strategy devours at the expense of essential social investments like housing and employment. No matter what. Shocking! There is no excuse for this crime. Just as shocking is the observation that (health) policy is no longer under local, democratic control. Everything is set up and organised with scrutiny at the highest, international level by those who take profit from it: the pharmaceutical industry, the financial world, politicians.” –Kris Gaublomme, MD

  • Sue

    Yes that sure says a lot about you intelligence Propi..Lets discard all those who have died due to vaccines.. Oh that is just out dated.. OMG YOU chuck them aside like garbage..like your outdated wardrobe.. MM and you think that people will take you seriously…Like the history of our brothers..fathers and grandfathers fighting for our countries.. Lest we forget.Oh that is right it is outdated.. .

    Just like all the poor Philippines people who had devastation through vaccination…..

    Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses; the death rate quadrupled as a result. (Physician William Howard Hay’s address of June 25, 1937; printed in the Congressional Record)….Of course we are going back to 1937..

  • V. Valens

    how about you share truth from something that’s not youtube huh?

  • V. Valens

    yeah and the plague death too or spanish flu or any of other epidermic disease. You know why people don’t die of the plague? advancement in technology….
    I’m tired of pwning you left and right, actually more like bored, i want new challenges like the pathologist ang that think HIV is man made…
    You’re dismissed Sue

  • V. Valens

    you’re a pathologist and you never heard of autism? wow, what kind of education are you getting

  • V. Valens

    oh ang…it’s a shame that your baby died. But if you truly are a pathologist, you must understand about drug distribution, pharmacokinetic or at the very least, the blood placental barrier. While it is truly tragic that you lost your baby but you cannot possibly tell me that it’s due to zoloft. oh while i’m at it, let me point out the flaw in your lies, your “3 days old” baby, cannot possibly survive with half a heart. It would die in utero, secondly, there’s no such thing as “half a heart”, the body doesn’t develop like that. Before you try to throw a fit, allow me to reason it out for you. If by 1/2 a heart you mean it only has 2 chambers then it can only pump blood to lung or body ONLY. So it doesn’t matter how much oxygen you are pumping into its lung, it’s useless. Secondly, there’s nothing wrong with his lungs so why would he need 100% oxygen? and since when does oxygen cause blindness?

  • Sue

    Here we go again..total lack of commonsense..Probi.. you say such stupid things..and take no notice of history.. which is part of the human race..

    The way today Heard Immunity……. the meaning is changed to suit the Pharmaceutical companies and the government but is a complete fabrication… It is how long the disease takes to burn through the population… having heard immunity is being immune to the disease you protect the heard…. so protect the new born and following generations.. however with vaccines this is not happening.. True heard immunity is being lost with every generation.. scary times.. to say the least….And if vaccines are so good.. why is their a need for more and more booster shots.Oh but we must keep sacrificing our babies an children to lies and horrific vaccine damage..We are giving more and more vaccines.. just to put money in BIG Pharmas pockets..It has nothing to do with the health of our children….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0VP38JjqpE&feature=youtu.be

    And this is a doctor who is on the side of vaccines.. and she does not think much of the research out there…
    Dr. Marcia Angell, a physician and longtime Editor in Chief of the New England Medical Journal (NEMJ), which is considered to another one of the most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journals in the world, makes her view of the subject quite plain:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm
    “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine”
    There is much more than anecdotal evidence to support these claims, however, including documents obtained by Lucija Tomljenovic, PhD, from the Neural Dynamics Research Group in the Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences at the University of British Columbia, which reveal that vaccine manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, and health authorities have known about multiple dangers associated with vaccines but chose to withhold them from the public. This is scientific fraud, and their complicity suggests that this practice continues to this day.

  • ang

    Over 1,000 are currently suing, so lets let the judge decide, what do you reckon? Just google it. It is actually HYPOPLASTIC LEFT HEART SYNDROME. Your obviously not a heart specialist. And yes, babies are born quite well, within 12-36 hours after birth, their own bodies have to “switch over” from using the placenta, to using their own hearts….. Just google hypoplastic left heart syndrome. Dont know where you read babies die, before birth, if they have a stuffed heart.would appreciate your references? I will send them the correct information…..They happy little babies inside, cause they are not using their own heart, they using the placenta. I gave birth, I killed him…. isnt that horrible. A whole nine months inside me he was kicking, listening, growing, thriving… Flaw in my lies? Read what high oxygen in a humidicrib does to babies eyes? You a very arrogant lady. If you know anyone on zoloft, planning pregnancy, I hope you let them research…. dont just parrot off your garbage, not knowing, even bothering to research your facts first.
    My friend also was on this drug, they did a scan of her daughter just before birth, checking babies heart (specifically the heart)… yes another hypoplastic left heart baby, this girl is actually about 17 now.. In those two years, from Stevens death… where suddenly there was an incredible increase in this extremely rare, rare defect, Australian doctors actually worked out how to “re plumb” the heart….. shame they had to learn how to do this…………. if only, if only I had never touched the poison.

  • ang

    yes blood placenta barrier, next you will tell me thalidomide deformites are a myth? The antidepressant birth defects, are going to prove a bigger nightmare……. why? Because drug companies been fudging tests (well actually antidepressants were never, ever tested on pregnant women, before release)…drug companies been”suppressing”results for over 20 years. Isnt that worse than being the devil themselves? Knowing, and hiding this fact. Better not put a pfizer rep in front of me! With thalidomide, it got stopped within a year or two… Antidepressant deformies? 20 damn years! And still the FDA? recommend women continue to take it during pregnancy… Can you trust FDA, CDC? They dont do any testing, who are they trusting?

  • ang

    Never heard of autism ( ie sorry Australian slang for, autism was virtually uneard of)…, pre 20 years ago, now its everywhere.

  • ang

    Who are you? Why do you mock me? And it isnt a shame my baby died, IT IS A SHAME ZOLOFT POISONED HIM.

  • ang

    Ive never looked up hypoplastic left heart syndrome… good idea though, I can see how correct they are xx

  • ang

    I aint anti vax, sorry to let you know that. The old pertussis vaccine worked, the new one 1997- doesnt. Why is it so? New GMO allows vaccinated to be carriers, the vaccine immunity falls to less than 35% after 5-10 years (ie that mean 65 % can get pertussis),,,,,,this new vaccine, also allows mothers (carriers) to infect their own newborns, as this “vacine immunity”does pass thru their breastmilk… I AM PRO TRUTH…… The more vaccine manufacturers hide the truth, the more the house of cards will implode.
    I hope to god this new (obviously untested before being released)…vaccine hasnt been used around the world….

  • ang

    pathologist (microbiology, haematology, biochemistry), phlebotomist, chemical analyst (yeah know all about artificial fertilizers), librarian, computer systems developer. AND MOST OF ALL, MOTHER. How about you Val? You know nothing about newborn heart defects, yet you pretend you do, you know nothing of microbiology yet you pretend you do…. WHY?

  • ang

    Google it……, NEW PERTUSSIS VACCINE, you will find plenty of references, you choose which ones are genuine medical references….

  • ang

    Vaccine immunity from the new pertussis vaccine (yes based on new gmo technology), does not pass through mothers breast milk. It seems to pass thru the placental barrier, but this wears off, this is the stage that in the natural world breastmillk, fullfills this, by providing mothers immunity to the child. THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN WITH THE NEW PETUSSIS VACCINE Babies are now getting pertussis, around 1 -12 months old.. CAN BE INFECTED FROM ANYONE VACCINATED POST 1997- EVEN THEIR OWN MOTHERS!,
    Vaccination used to be recommended at 12 months. Now they have reduced it to getting the shot at 6 months, There is still a “gap in protection” caused by the failure of this new vaccine, from birth to first vaccination..

    It is recommended all young adults, because of the failure of the vaccine, to have yet another shot (slightly different one)…
    In Australia, it is not recommended to revaccinate children (with the now failed vaccine).. What is the point of revaccinating, and again having the vaccine fail, when these children become parents? We let them get the pertussis, and get REAL IMMUNITY.
    How absurd this has become? All immunised with new pertussis vaccine, can be possible unwitting carriers, and have to keep re vaccinating, to stop them giving themselves the disease?

    I do not know why they do not go back to the old vaccine that actually worked. I have 2 theories.. the previous vaccine had worse problems
    or they want to use up all the stocks of the failed vaccine… But why bother? Oh yeah forgot that thing called greed and profits.

  • ang

    The man who invented the infected vaccine has been interviewed. So who better to know the truth.

  • ang

    Al, thankyou, your a gem… will read it http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3234451/
    will read it now.

  • ang

    This is the most simple summary: (WORD FOR WORD FROM THE STUDY ABSTRACT) HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) NATURALLY INFECTING AFRICAN PRIMATES..Most of these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent.
    HOWEVER ONE TRANSMISSION EVENT, INVOLVING SIV cpz FROM CHIMPANZEES IN SOUTHEASTERN CAMEROON GAVE RISE TO HIV-1 group M – THE PRINCIPAL CAUSE OF THE AIDS VIRUS.

    ie monkeys had viruses, the monkeys were fine, They just naturally carry these viruses. Live monkey cells, were used to create the vaccine.
    Vaccine used from the infected live monkeys… got injected into humans who have no immunity to this monkey disease.
    My personal comments here:
    This took some time, to eventaually manifest itself in people as HIV AIDS. Aids is not transmitted by mosquitos (being cold blooded),,, thank GOD! The only source of infection is direct bodily fluid contact from an infected person THROUGH BLOOD AND BODILY FLUIDS. ie sex can cause minor abrasive cause damage, and the virus is spread through this direct to new persons bloodstream. Or people donated blood, they made blood products, gave transfusions, direct transmission of HIV. Or people share needles, drug addicts freely transmitted their blood by sharing their injecting needles.

    AIDS WAS NOT CAUSED BY GOD, it was caused by SCIENTISTS. It proves that any gmo, type thing, needs rigorous testing, This testing DOES NOT HAPPEN. IE what species to species direct injection can cause. We could eat infected monkeys, fine, we got guts designed to cope with this, but injecting monkey viruses directly into the blood stream? BUGGAR! too late!
    Abstract
    Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by two lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and HIV-2). Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon, gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future zoonotic risk.Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by two lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and HIV-2). Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon, gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future zoonotic risk.

  • ang

    l, thankyou, your a gem… will read it http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm
    will read it now.

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    This is the most simple summary: (WORD FOR WORD FROM THE STUDY ABSTRACT) HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) NATURALLY INFECTING AFRICAN PRIMATES..Most of these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent.
    HOWEVER ONE TRANSMISSION EVENT, INVOLVING SIV cpz FROM CHIMPANZEES IN SOUTHEASTERN CAMEROON GAVE RISE TO HIV-1 group M – THE PRINCIPAL CAUSE OF THE AIDS VIRUS.

    ie monkeys had viruses, the monkeys were fine, They just naturally carry these viruses. Live monkey cells, were used to create the vaccine.
    Vaccine used from the infected live monkeys… got injected into humans who have no immunity to this monkey disease.
    My personal comments here:
    This took some time, to eventaually manifest itself in people as HIV AIDS. Aids is not transmitted by mosquitos (being cold blooded),,, thank GOD! The only source of infection is direct bodily fluid contact from an infected person THROUGH BLOOD AND BODILY FLUIDS. ie sex can cause minor abrasive cause damage, and the virus is spread through this direct to new persons bloodstream. Or people donated blood, they made blood products, gave transfusions, direct transmission of HIV. Or people share needles, drug addicts freely transmitted their blood by sharing their injecting needles.

    AIDS WAS NOT CAUSED BY GOD, it was caused by SCIENTISTS. It proves that any gmo, type thing, needs rigorous testing, This testing DOES NOT HAPPEN. IE what species to species direct injection can cause. We could eat infected monkeys, fine, we got guts designed to cope with this, but injecting monkey viruses directly into the blood stream? BUGGAR! too late!
    Abstract
    Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by two lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and HIV-2). Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon, gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future zoonotic risk.Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by two lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and HIV-2). Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon, gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future zoonotic risk.

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  • ang

    Find it on u tube, you will find people laughing and mocking him in the background? Why? Probably the only copy of the interview, left in the world? Who destroyed the orignal? Shows that it has taken 15 plus years, for people to actually listen to the man who created AIDS himself!

  • Sue

    OMG Propi.. you stated….Since when does oxygen cause blindness You know what V. Valens even when someone share their personal story with the almighty V. Valens Propi.. agrees or not .. for frig sake have a heart.. in one breath you are saying you are sorry and the next you are calling her a liar.. I am not sure if you are just despicable… cruel …. both…and your knowledge well you have none…Maybe do some research before you talk to someone like this..

    Retinopathy of prematurity (ROP) or Terry syndrome,[1] previously known as retrolental fibroplasia (RLF), is a disease of the eye affecting prematurely-born babies generally having received intensive neonatal care, in which oxygen therapy is used on them due to the premature development of their lungs. It is thought to be caused by disorganized growth of retinal blood vessels which may result in scarring and retinal detachment. ROP can be mild and may resolve spontaneously, but it may lead to blindness in serious cases. As such, all preterm babies are at risk for ROP, and very low birth weight is an additional risk factor. Both oxygen toxicity and relative hypoxia can contribute to the development of ROP.
    Various risk factors contribute to the development of ROP. They are:..Prematurity[8]..High exposure to Oxygen…Low birth weight
    Various types of infections…..Cardiac defects

    The study found that women who took SSRIs, including Zoloft, 20 weeks or later in their pregnancy were six times as likely to have babies born with PPHN than women who did not take SSRIs during their pregnancy. In the general population, the risk of a woman giving birth to a baby affected by PPHN is one to two infants per 1000 live births.

    PPHN is a serious medical condition in which newborns experience abnormal blood flow through their heart and lungs. The babies’ pulmonary arteries do not fully open and blood is not oxygenated, resulting in their tissues and organs not receiving enough oxygen. Approximately one-tenth of babies born with PPHN died from it, while others have required medical intervention in order to survive. Moderately severe cases of PPHN still cause hearing loss or brain damage in half the survivors. Other PPHN complications include seizures, developmental problems, and neurological problems.

    Symptoms of PPHN include rapid breathing, rapid heart rate, difficulty breathing, bluish skin, heart murmur, and low oxygen levels. Babies born with PPHN are treated with intent of increasing the amount of oxygen the baby’s organs receive. Treatment includes an oxygen mask or plastic hood, assisted breathing and nitric oxide given through a ventilator.

  • Sue

    Ang V.Valesn is rather stupid.. but also crule to talk to you a mother about you loosing your baby how she did.. well she is just cruel.. and what else can you say about V.Valesn.. but she is stupid.. Take care Ang

  • ang

    Dont stress, it is people like Al and V whatever, provide the best information….http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3234451/

    read this one… can interpret if you wish. just read the äbstract” you are smart, you will understand, dont need to understand “pathologist language”..

  • ang

    I was given the pure gift of an Australian government scholarship to travel the world.. My greatest memories? China… I knew no one, couldnt speak Chinese, arrived there all by myself………..reality? anyone NOW can communicate with anyone, one on one, worldwide. Perhaps I was luckier than most, my mother was profoundly deaf, I relied on sign language.. the smile, the whatever, universal language…All I can say, is make new friends, worldwide,internet… dont speak the language? send a bloody picture. Do you know, after visiting China, I wished I had been born there.

  • ang

    as I said, language barrier, never heard of autism, in Australian language, translates to “” Autism, virtually unheard of w0 years ago” soryy for the confusion… jsut Oz language and USA language, called slang, thankyou for bringing this to my attention, I will try my best to use “”Universal English” just sorry was ignorant, assumed you understood Australian English, apologies.

  • ang

    Hello val, how did I prove I am uneducated and ignorant. ??????????????????? I dont understand USA English… Well I apologise profoundly, I will try my best to learn USA version of English… I truly appreciate that you brought this to my attention;

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  • Al Mather

    I think we need a Pathologists take on it ..you can’t just google all that education.Please explain how it’s GMO and what that means.

  • ang

    Hi Al they take a part of something… ie take part of the vaccine immunity (cant use monkey genetics no more, cause it causes AIDS< and cancer), so they take part of the virus, and inject part of the virus (ie it cant be the full monkey virus etc)…they take part of it, that causes an immune response, to help this happen they add aluminium, etc, to make this immune response "better"…… however, it aint tested, doesnt need to be fully tested, as the manufacturers are no longer for any damage caused by their vaccines (ie AIDS)… they inject this into humans…….. we are all guinea pigs, why? Tell everyone who has a relative die due to AIDS, it was all a big experiment, we willl be more carefull now? Why be more careful… how much dis Big Pharma make in AIDS drugs, when they caused the disease?

  • Al Mather

    Glad we could get the “scientific” explanation from a “pathologist”.. your anti vax web community is lucky to have you here Ang .. post often.

  • ang

    I speak to people in china, I dont speak Chinese… speak to people in china, anyone anywhere… and use Bing translator, damn anyones translation is better than Mr bing… do it. COMMUNICATE! ONE ON ONE..You love clivia? talk to someone in South Africa, home of the clivia, you love rhododendrons,. damn talk to someone in China, home of Rhododendrons… enjoy!

  • ang

    You are a gem Al, thankyou so so much!!!! I aint anti vax… I am pro truth… The old vacine worked for pertussis, the new one dont! I am pro truth, taken nearly 20 years of pathologists to be able to telll the truth, AIDS IS A MAN MADE DISEASE.

  • ang

    the gmo vaccine for pertussis, (ie 1997? -) does not transfer mothers immunity thru mothers milk>>>>ie mothers are infecting their own babies? Ask? Ask for references… I can supply them/

  • ang

    your reference says it all Al luv ya!! You are a true debater, old school, well done!

  • ang

    What is IgG, inform me…

  • Al Mather

    What reference are you referring to Ang?

  • ang

    luv ya,,, i dont remember, buggar..

  • ang

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  • V. Valens

    you’re the pathologist, please enlighten me

  • V. Valens

    please show me your “references” that’s not from those conspiracy websites or youtube

  • V. Valens

    i think you need to learn how to read and assess scientific articles

  • V. Valens

    lol autism is a “USA language”, i didn’t know medicine isn’t universal
    do they have special names for whooping cough? measles? epiglottitis?
    in australia too?

  • V. Valens

    oh but she didn’t have a “preterm baby” now did she? she has a baby with half a heart. Do you even know what PPHN is? did you just copy and paste all those things without even reading it? learn a little
    Like I said before, you’re dismissed Sue, i’m bored with you now

  • Sue

    Yah you are bored with me .. I was bored with you the first time i read your post.. but someones got to show you the error of your ways.. Lol.. And Propi all you have to do is ignore me.. I don;t have a problemo..

  • V. Valens

    good job copy and pasting without learning how to assess the information. AIDS was cured in australia? wow you guys must be hiding the world biggest secret then. There has only been less than a handful of cases for “cured AIDS” and with each risk of death.
    Oh let’s not talk about how you contradict yourself here ms pathologist. you claimed AIDS is a SELF LIMITING DISEASE certainly you must know what that means but because you’re australian, let me say it in the universal language so that even you can understand. It means the disease will resolve itself. But it doesn’t now does it? It continue to kill your Tcell count until your body can’t even handle a simple infection and die from it. FYI, AIDS doesn’t kill you, secondary infection does. So if AIDS is a self limiting disease, why are you so afraid of it? and call it a death sentence?

  • V. Valens

    Right, and Andrew Wakefield also stated vaccines cause autism, look where we are now :)

  • ang

    “Brain, you know what? Get over it. I’m taking you off of this crap and that’s that.” get it? you got the references elsewhere… argue come on tell me AIDS AINT A MAN MADE DISEASE… SURE ANY ENGLISH VERSION UNDERSTANDS THAT, EXCEPT VAL PERHAPS?” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm… FOR GODS SAKE, READ IT FIRST, BEFORE COMMENTING?

  • V. Valens

    computer programmer, biochemist, biologist, immunologist. I pretend to know about microbiology? you’re a “pathologist” who doesn’t even know how immunology works

  • ang
  • ang

    I told you my qualifications,,, also got qualifications in art and design, and horticulture.. come on what are your qualifications? I am a pathologist, phlebotomist, chemical analyst, software desinger, librarian, chemical analyst.. and you Val do tell? But I dont brag, you asked… now tell me your qualifications, remembering of course, that most of the brilliant minds in this world never got “quallifications”….

  • ang

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm… if you dont understand this, who the f are you?

  • V. Valens

    you have no proof that zoloft poisoned your baby do you? have you isolated a compound that is teratogenic? have you ran AMES test on zoloft yet?
    you blame it on zoloft because you needed something and someone to blame. But unfortunately, things can happened by chance alone. Cancer can be developed de novo, things can just happened due to the countless billion times cell divides in the body.

  • ang

    OK I gave you my qualifications, what are yours? yes I think I said microbiology, or did I mess up? yes microbiology.
    and forgot to say qualifications also in art and design and horticulture, but my main profession? And f”””””””””””””””” ing proud of it? rasing healthy children, all four of them, buggar the one that died due to me believing drugs got tested before use..taking zoloft first 8 week of pregnancy.. Ah, live and learn.

  • V. Valens

    sorry, hypoplastic heart syndrome by the name itself means UNDERDEVELOPED, the word you’re looking for is AGENESIS which is not possible. You claimed your baby had 1/2 a heart, but clearly that’s not the case now is it?

  • ang

    Keep tryin.. what are your qualifications? are you at least a mother, being a mother makes you the BEST scientist in the world..

  • V. Valens

    do you know what anecdotes are? they are subjective by nature.
    why do i bother? i’m tired of shutting you down everytime, you no longer have any entertainment value to me

  • V. Valens

    oh damn, i actually slipped off the chair laughing. That’s why you have fetal alcohol syndrome right? Mother is the best scientist and know what’s the best way to screw up the newborn right? let’s drink while we’re pregnant wooohooooo

  • ang

    KEEP TRYING, I CAN CALL YOUR BLUFF EVERYWHERE? ARE YOU A SCIENTIST? NO, ARE YOU A MOTHER? DOESNT MATTER IF SUDDENLY MY REFERENCE GOT PULLED FROM THE WEB, WHAT DOES THAT PROVE?? Someone still hidiing the proof…..

  • V. Valens

    lol that’s not even a valid link, ms “computer system developer”

  • ang

    Why suddenly pull a very valid reference from the web? To protect us from panicking? well done!

  • V. Valens

    the most brilliant minds in the world never got qualification? because you totally can trust a 15 yrs old to do natal care for you right?

  • V. Valens

    aww that’s sad if you think that AIDS is man made

  • V. Valens

    let’s not forget about shaken baby, or child abuse…tell me how great the mother is when i saw a baby with 3rd degree burn because the mother threw her into a boiling bath

  • ang

    I didnt drink while pregnant, zoloft deformed my baby…and I cant sue cause I aint american? 1,000 plus people suing usa… but I cant? why?

  • ang

    OK your qualifications please ??? I told you mine? I was asked to join mensa on my damn graduation night 1976… But mensa was a new thing in Western Australia…,,, didnt trust eletist clubs, still dont, glad I refused! Now come on, qualifications please, nah not qualifications, what have you ever worked as? Phlebotomist? Cancer patient carer? what … do tell?Your experience in life is just as valid as mine…share!

  • V. Valens

    Sue is just a hypocrite who can’t defend against any point that is raised against her. She can only revert to insult and deflect to another topic

  • ang

    Yopu slipped off the chair laughing, about what… do tell?

  • V. Valens

    i already told you my qualification, you just simply didn’t read. What have I worked as? elderly care, home care, NICU, emergency response, clinical counselling

  • ang

    You can overcome anything, just get off the drugs, off antidepressnts, your alcohol craving stops! You indicated that, not me… get off the drugs, stay home, recuperate, be kind to yourself, takes 12 or more months to be antidepressant free, and a sane again… IT IS WORTH IT.././ GOOD LUCK surviving antidepressants for support..

  • ang

    God bless you Val, you were not to blame… hugs xxxxx

  • V. Valens

    i laughed at your statement of being a mother makes you the “best” scientist in the world. That’s why i showed you the example of FAS, shaken baby syndrome, or child abuse.

  • ang

    Origins of HIV and the AIDS Pandemic

    Paul M. Sharp1 and Beatrice H. Hahn2

    Author information ► Copyright and License information ►

    This article has been cited by other articles in PMC.

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    Abstract

    Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by two lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and HIV-2). Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon, gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future zoonotic risk.

    Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) was first recognized as a new disease in 1981 when increasing numbers of young homosexual men succumbed to unusual opportunistic infections and rare malignancies (CDC 1981; Greene 2007). A retrovirus, now termed human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1), was subsequently identified as the causative agent of what has since become one of the most devastating infectious diseases to have emerged in recent history (Barre-Sinoussi et al. 1983; Gallo et al. 1984; Popovic et al. 1984). HIV-1 spreads by sexual, percutaneous, and perinatal routes (Hladik and McElrath 2008; Cohen et al. 2011); however, 80% of adults acquire HIV-1 following exposure at mucosal surfaces, and AIDS is thus primarily a sexually transmitted disease (Hladik and McElrath 2008; Cohen et al. 2011). Since its first identification almost three decades ago, the pandemic form of HIV-1, also called the main (M) group, has infected at least 60 million people and caused more than 25 million deaths (Merson et al. 2008). Developing countries have experienced the greatest HIV/AIDS morbidity and mortality, with the highest prevalence rates recorded in young adults in sub-Saharan Africa (http://www.unaids.org/). Although antiretroviral treatment has reduced the toll of AIDS- related deaths, access to therapy is not universal, and the prospects of curative treatments and an effective vaccine are uncertain (Barouch 2008; Richman et al. 2009). Thus, AIDS will continue to pose a significant public health threat for decades to come.

    Ever since HIV-1 was first discovered, the reasons for its sudden emergence, epidemic spread, and unique pathogenicity have been a subject of intense study. A first clue came in 1986 when a morphologically similar but antigenically distinct virus was found to cause AIDS in patients in western Africa (Clavel et al. 1986). Curiously, this new virus, termed human immunodeficiency virus type 2 (HIV-2), was only distantly related to HIV-1, but was closely related to a simian virus that caused immunodeficiency in captive macaques (Chakrabarti et al. 1987; Guyader et al. 1987). Soon thereafter, additional viruses, collectively termed simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) with a suffix to denote their species of origin, were found in various different primates from sub-Saharan Africa, including African green monkeys, sooty mangabeys, mandrills, chimpanzees, and others (Fig. 1). Surprisingly, these viruses appeared to be largely nonpathogenic in their natural hosts, despite clustering together with the human and simian AIDS viruses in a single phylogenetic lineage within the radiation of lentiviruses (Fig. 2). Interestingly, close simian relatives of HIV-1 and HIV-2 were found in chimpanzees (Huet et al. 1990) and sooty mangabeys (Hirsch et al. 1989), respectively. These relationships provided the first evidence that AIDS had emerged in both humans and macaques as a consequence of cross-species infections with lentiviruses from different primate species (Sharp et al. 1994). Indeed, subsequent studies confirmed that SIVmac was not a natural pathogen of macaques (which are Asian primates), but had been generated inadvertently in US primate centers by inoculating various species of macaques with blood and/or tissues from naturally infected sooty mangabeys (Apetrei et al. 2005, 2006). Similarly, it became clear that HIV-1 and HIV-2 were the result of zoonotic transfers of viruses infecting primates in Africa (Hahn et al. 2000). In this article, we summarize what is known about the simian precursors of HIV-1 and HIV-2, and retrace the steps that led to the AIDS pandemic.

    Figure 1.

    Origins of human AIDS viruses. Old World monkeys are naturally infected with more than 40 different lentiviruses, termed simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) with a suffix to denote their primate species of origin (e.g., SIVsmm from sooty mangabeys). …

    Figure 2.

    Phylogeny of lentiviruses. The evolutionary relationships among Pol sequences (∼ 770 amino acids) derived from various mammalian lentiviruses; host species are indicated at the right. Exogenous viruses are depicted in black, with HIV-1, HIV-2, …

    Go to:

    PRIMATE LENTIVIRUSES

  • ang

    got the whole thing, can send it to you???

  • Sue

    And what points may they be propi .how you are nasty to a mother who lost her baby?? your points.. you have no point….. you are clutching at straws.. and remember you are bored.. but you keep coming back for more..

  • ang

    Both HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon, gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. any idiot can understand this surely? I can interpret if you like? aids man made disease, other countries ignored usa patents for stuff to stop this disease (THAT USA MADE)…..NO USA COMPANY EVER TRIED TO SUE FOR PATENT RIGHTS TO THEIR DRUGS, TO STOP THE VIRUS, THEY CREATED, WONDER WHY????????????..

  • ang

    I await your responsem, whoever you are, isnt ig=t great, you have a voice, you talk to me your opionion is as valid as anyone else in this world.. yes inteernet, honest passing of information from one mother to another…? fuc”ing fantstic!

  • Sue

    Just curious and what is a typical reply of someone who works for BIG Pharma…????

  • ang

    NO preterm, my baby born happy and healthy. After 24 hours, the baby has to rely on its own heart… not placenta… and if the babys heart is suffed, it is stuffed. Even 100% oxygen doesnt save a baby, like you said V Valens, that has a heart that dont provide oxygen to the lungs, Thankyou for clarifying that, 100% oxygen didn not save my baby, nothiing could save my baby…………….. You must be a heart specialist to understand this, Thankyou for understanding..

  • ang

    hypoplastic left heart syndrome… val knows this… of course.. just google it anyone… and add a search term like suing, or defects, or zoloft…

  • ang

    Both HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon, gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic.

  • ang

    shaken baby? bullshtit, called vaccine damage.
    Yeah burns? proof, burns… but shaken baby? research, you are smart, you know how to research, research yourself f

  • ang

    Thankyou, but why the problem with “shaken baby syndrome” who, where how and why?

  • ang

    i aint fighting with you, you one smart lady,you askiing questions… cool!

  • ang

    Shaken baby syndrome has been proven to sometimes? be immunisation stress, ie immunisations, need to cause truama to babies , ie by adding alumnium,tdo the vacicine….causes enough trauma for the vacine to work>……….Both HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon, gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic.

  • ang

    How horrific, parents blamed for vaccine injuries? how horrific! Question, dont believe me question!

  • ang

    Tell me more… please!

  • ang

    tell me more… please,,, tell mew more!

    I only know what i AM TOLD…

  • ang

    being a caring mother… sorry should have said caring mother. makles you the best scientist in the world./

  • ang

    I aint got alcohol fetal syndrome, none of my kids got this, one child died due to zolfot use in first trimester? Yes Mother is the only one who cares about her children, only one that lives with her children, and ignored? Why called corupt USA system, where any vaccine damage, becomes the problem of the government, no longer the problem of those that made the failed vaccines//// please explain?

  • ang

    tell again, repeat the reference, I didnt get the first reference, please resend/

  • ang
  • ang
  • ang

    repost I never saw your post… I ant to see it…

  • ang

    Buggar V Valens, I just gone thru everything you posted, buggar, (what a waste of time)… I am also a computer whizz, your quote “” i laughed at your statement of being a mother makes you the “best” scientist in the world. That’s why i showed you the example of FAS, shaken baby syndrome, or child abuse.”” ?Damn I searched and searched, as a computer programmer, couldnt find this anywhere? pease provide a direct reference?
    a direct reference to the “shaken baby syndrome” that somehow I missed? please advise.

  • ang

    Are you a mother?? if not, you will never understand. end of a stupid converstation…

  • ang

    No not preterm, just a hypoplastic left heart baby so rare, before zoloft and antidepressants… I love statistics, they tell the truth….ALL ON THE NET… EVEN YOU CAN GOOGLE IT!!! V VALENS!!!!!!!!!! XXXXXX hypoplastic left heart syndrome zoloft… just type that in the box,the search box it automatically gives you any references, you choose to belive, have you tried it>>???

  • ang

    what is PPHN? do tell?

  • ang

    http://www.nationwidechildrens.org/persistent-pulmonary…no sorry my steven didnt have this, he had half a heart… hellloooo?? look up hypoplastic left heart syndrome, please val…

  • ang

    You slipped off the chair laughing, like my child was deformed hypoplastic left heart syndrome, more than 1,000 now suing in USA, suing zoloft (one drug manufacturer), for baby deformities… worse than thalidomide, and you slip off your chair laughnig../ why????????

  • ang

    ok thankyou, so why do you mock me? what satisfactionn does this give you? OK you indicated you worry about alcoholic mothers, that is all I know about you.

  • ang

    I apologise, I never got that post… You are concerned about mothers who drink too much, and pass this on to babies, I agree…. please repost what you said you told me …your qualifications… But qualifications mean nothing, passion, as obviously you have,and experience, needs to be told, please tell of your experiences, please…

  • ang

    I am listening, you are anonymous. please tell please…what are your experiences of alcholic mothers? I dont know, did I read your posts wrontg.. I dont know.. Tell know, we are listening!!!

  • ang
  • ang

    are you a mother ?? if so, yes mothers learn science, they learn stuff, as I did… or else “trust those in authority” I didnt, my daughter survived.

  • ang

    where i never got that post send it again

  • ang

    tell me more

  • ang

    you seen it you know, tell me more!!! i am listening !!!!!!!!!!!

  • ang

    OMG?? you saw a baby after being thrown into a boiling bath…how horrific!!!!!!!!! you are anonymous… tell us more. I have never ever witnessed such abuse, please say more, why do you think this happened?

  • ang

    i dont give a damn, I avoided getting infected, I never ever accidentally scratched my self with a blood filled syringe again.. and phlebotomists? should get danger money, they dont/. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3234451/Iit clearly states aids is a man made disease… want me to interpret, fine, just ask

  • ang

    ai d epi demic if i write more it get s banned, wonder why?

  • ang

    Acquired
    Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) was first recognized as a new disease in 1981
    when increasing numbers of young homosexual men succumbed to unusual opportunistic
    infections and rare malignancies (CDC 1981; Greene 2007). A
    retrovirus, now termed human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1), was
    subsequently identified as the causative agent of what has since become one of
    the most devastating infectious diseases to have emerged in recent history (Barre-Sinoussi et al. 1983; Gallo et al. 1984; Popovic et al. 1984). HIV-1 spreads by sexual, percutaneous, and perinatal routes (Hladik and McElrath 2008; Cohen et al. 2011); however, 80% of adults acquire HIV-1 following exposure at mucosal
    surfaces, and AIDS is thus primarily a sexually transmitted disease (Hladik and McElrath 2008; Cohen et al. 2011). Since its first identification
    almost three decades ago, the pandemic form of HIV-1, also called the main (M)
    group, has infected at least 60 million people and caused more than 25 million
    deaths (Merson et al. 2008). Developing countries have
    experienced the greatest HIV/AIDS morbidity and mortality, with the highest
    prevalence rates recorded in young adults in sub-Saharan Africa (http://www.unaids.org/). Although antiretroviral treatment has reduced the toll of AIDS-
    related deaths, access to therapy is not universal, and the prospects of
    curative treatments and an effective vaccine are uncertain (Barouch 2008; Richman et al. 2009). Thus, AIDS will continue to pose a significant public health threat
    for decades to come.

  • ang

    This is the most simple summary: (WORD FOR WORD FROM THE STUDY ABSTRACT)
    HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian
    immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) NATURALLY INFECTING AFRICAN PRIMATES..Most of
    these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited
    extent.

    HOWEVER ONE TRANSMISSION EVENT, INVOLVING SIV cpz FROM CHIMPANZEES IN
    SOUTHEASTERN CAMEROON GAVE RISE TO HIV-1 group M – THE PRINCIPAL CAUSE OF THE
    AIDS VIRUS.

    ie monkeys had viruses, the monkeys were fine, They just naturally carry
    these viruses. Live monkey cells, were used to create the vaccine.

    Vaccine used from the infected live monkeys… got injected into humans who
    have no immunity to this monkey disease.

    My personal comments here:

    This took some time, to eventaually manifest itself in people as HIV AIDS. Aids
    is not transmitted by mosquitos (being cold blooded),,, thank GOD! The only
    source of infection is direct bodily fluid contact from an infected person
    THROUGH BLOOD AND BODILY FLUIDS. ie sex can cause minor abrasive cause damage,
    and the virus is spread through this direct to new persons bloodstream. Or
    people donated blood, they made blood products, gave transfusions, direct
    transmission of HIV. Or people share needles, drug addicts freely transmitted
    their blood by sharing their injecting needles.

    AIDS WAS NOT CAUSED BY GOD, it was
    caused by SCIENTISTS. It proves that any gmo, type thing, needs rigorous
    testing, This testing DOES NOT HAPPEN. IE what species to species direct
    injection can cause. We could eat infected monkeys, fine, we got guts designed
    to cope with this, but injecting monkey viruses directly into the blood stream?
    BUGGAR! too late!

    Abstract

    Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by two
    lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and HIV-2).
    Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the
    circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of
    multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs)
    naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in
    viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one
    transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon,
    gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss
    how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by
    imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary
    spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the
    emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed
    from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to
    examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future
    zoonotic risk.Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by
    two lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and
    HIV-2). Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the
    circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of
    multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs)
    naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in
    viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one
    transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon,
    gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss
    how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by
    imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary
    spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the
    emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed
    from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to
    examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future
    zoonotic risk.

    §

  • ang

    mr computer can try and block me all they want, I know computers.. why are they deleting my comments? why do I have to unblock, repost, and change? I dont know, I am a mere mortal, being blocked by big computer,,,, why??????????????

  • ang

    This is the most simple summary: (WORD FOR WORD FROM THE STUDY ABSTRACT)
    HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian
    immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) NATURALLY INFECTING AFRICAN PRIMATES..Most of
    these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited
    extent.

    HOWEVER ONE TRANSMISSION EVENT, INVOLVING SIV cpz FROM CHIMPANZEES IN
    SOUTHEASTERN CAMEROON GAVE RISE TO HIV-1 group M – THE PRINCIPAL CAUSE OF THE
    AIDS VIRUS.

    ie monkeys had viruses, the monkeys were fine, They just naturally carry
    these viruses. Live monkey cells, were used to create the vaccine.

    Vaccine used from the infected live monkeys… got injected into humans who
    have no immunity to this monkey disease.

    My personal comments here:

    This took some time, to eventaually manifest itself in people as HIV AIDS. Aids
    is not transmitted by mosquitos (being cold blooded),,, thank GOD! The only
    source of infection is direct bodily fluid contact from an infected person
    THROUGH BLOOD AND BODILY FLUIDS. ie sex can cause minor abrasive cause damage,
    and the virus is spread through this direct to new persons bloodstream. Or
    people donated blood, they made blood products, gave transfusions, direct
    transmission of HIV. Or people share needles, drug addicts freely transmitted
    their blood by sharing their injecting needles.

    AIDS WAS NOT CAUSED BY GOD, it was
    caused by SCIENTISTS. It proves that any gmo, type thing, needs rigorous
    testing, This testing DOES NOT HAPPEN. IE what species to species direct
    injection can cause. We could eat infected monkeys, fine, we got guts designed
    to cope with this, but injecting monkey viruses directly into the blood stream?
    BUGGAR! too late!

    Abstract

    Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by two
    lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and HIV-2).
    Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the
    circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of
    multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs)
    naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in
    viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one
    transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon,
    gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss
    how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by
    imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary
    spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the
    emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed
    from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to
    examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future
    zoonotic risk.Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by
    two lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and
    HIV-2). Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the
    circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of
    multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs)
    naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in
    viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one
    transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon,
    gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss
    how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by
    imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary
    spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the
    emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed
    from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to
    examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future
    zoonotic risk.

    §

  • ang

    Abstract

    Acquire immunoy
    syndrome (AI ds of human
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    evolution of these viruses, and the circumstances that led to the A
    pandemic. Both H ie vs///species transmissions of
    simian limited extent. However, one transmission event, involving ai ds s
    chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon, gave rise to
    the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species
    transmission and/or secondary spread. not dysslexic, only way to pass big computer… read and research.

  • ang

    I am a computer programmer… haha! just google the reference! I cant post w=the real reference, it gets banned by mr computer… just google Origins of HIV and the AIDS Pandemic

  • ang

    Origins of HIV and the AIDS Pandemic google it

  • ang

    Origins of HIV and the AIDS Pandemic

    Paul M. Sharp1 and Beatrice H. Hahn2 be Quick they deleting everything as I write, why???

  • ang

    still waiting for my comments to pass “big brother” somewhere.. thanks al xxx luv ya!

  • ang

    Are you completely thick woman? Hypoplastic left heart syndrome, unheard of before antidepressants, I had a baby, my baby died, My friend on the same drug got tested, and they fixed her daughter, her daughter stilll alive…what is your problem? You must have looked up hypoplastic left heart syndrome, FINALLY well done, you no longer tell me heart deformed babies, all die before birth, you learning… F++CKING GREAT!!! WELL DONE!!!l Yes babies born healthy, until their own heart has to work, thanks for that!!! Hugs../.
    What are you trying to prove??????????????

  • V. Valens

    why are you avoiding the question?

  • V. Valens

    you’re still avoiding the question about how contradictory you are

  • ang

    Like I said, lets leave this to the courts, in philadelphia and elsewhere. If the judge says zoloft didnt cause these 1,000 s of deformities, death and disablements in babies, children… I trust the judge, do you?>

  • ang

    Or you smarter than months of evidence, and stuff… I trust the verdict…
    lets wait n see. Like I said I cant sue, I live in australia, apparently we not
    allowed to sue USA.. buggar if we were, do you think Zoloft would have been able to spread this poison for twenty years?

  • ang

    have you isolated a compound that is teratogenic? have you ran AMES test on zoloft yet? pease explain,

    sorry I dont know what you talking about?????? But I am a mere thick mother? Please educate me?

  • ang

    why you so angry? why? zoloft killed my baby.. I am a patholgist, I have nothing to gain by telling the truth, no financial gain nothing, that is the way the world should be… why do you mock me? puzzled?

  • ang

    explain more clearly, I am a pathologist, but havent a clue what you are talking about… do you know what you are talking about? Please explain..

  • ang

    I didnt want to blame anything, all I know is I had four healthy babies, the one I had while taking zoloft for a few weeks into pegnancy, had a deformed heart (which happens first few weels of pregnancy)…my friend also taking zoloft also had a half a heart baby.. I reported it to TGA, Australia, and report went missing, so I did another…statistics are statistics… if 50% of mothers taking Zoloft have half a heart babies…. blah blah blah, you ignore it? Australia didnt ignore it………….

  • ang

    I wish your family well when you fumigate with Methyl bromide xx hugs xxxxxxxxxxx I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PROVE THIS KILLED YOU, SO YOU GET NO COMPENSATION, BUGGAR@!!!!

  • ang

    contradictory about what? you still ahvent told me your qualifications, I told you mine.. But who cares….. ask me a question, any question,, I will answer honestly,,, aids is man made jpw manmy times to I have to repost the reference, just google it. ie something like AIDS HIV monkeys, anything, sure you will find it.

  • ang

    ?????????????? explain, I dont understand, ask me a clear cut question I will reply… “””” youre still avoiding the question, blah blah,”””” what question.?????.. Please give me the question?

  • ang

    What question? Ask me a question, now is your chance, a clear cut question………… I will reply to the best of my ignorant abitlity? What is the questioon.,.. ask??

  • ang

    ??? explain, remember I am quite thick, explain more clearly, please. Who is Andrew Wakefield?

  • ang

    What are you talking about?????????????? AIDS is no longer injected into people,,,, end of story…I never said aids was cured in Australia, do you know how to read scientific papers? I choose not to reply to you, cause you are an idiiot : have a happy life… I aint afraid of AIDS, only afraid of AIDS, while TAKING blood tests… tis all………….re read what I wrote… have a happy life./.. I choose no longer to correspond with you.

  • ang

    Are you sane V Valens??? Can you read? sorry I am over you, I refuse to reply to ignorants. You can read, but you ignore what your read, why???

  • ang

    Cold Spring Harb Perspect Med.
    2011 Sep; 1(1): a006841.

    doi: 10.1101/cshperspect.a006841

    PMCID: PMC3234451

    Origins of HIV and the AIDS Pandemic

    Paul M. Sharp1 and Beatrice H. Hahn2

    Author information ► Copyright and License information ►

  • ang

    Nothing Al, nothing…

  • ang

    Cold Spring Harb Perspect Med.
    2011 Sep; 1(1): a006841.

    doi: 10.1101/cshperspect.a006841

    PMCID: PMC3234451

    Origins of HIV and the AIDS Pandemic

    Paul M. Sharp1 and Beatrice H. Hahn2

    Author information ► Copyright and License information ►

  • ang

    This is the most simple summary: (WORD FOR WORD FROM THE STUDY ABSTRACT)
    HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian
    immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) NATURALLY INFECTING AFRICAN PRIMATES..Most of
    these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited
    extent.

    HOWEVER ONE TRANSMISSION EVENT, INVOLVING SIV cpz FROM CHIMPANZEES IN
    SOUTHEASTERN CAMEROON GAVE RISE TO HIV-1 group M – THE PRINCIPAL CAUSE OF THE
    AIDS VIRUS.

    ie monkeys had viruses, the monkeys were fine, They just naturally carry
    these viruses. Live monkey cells, were used to create the vaccine.

    Vaccine used from the infected live monkeys… got injected into humans who
    have no immunity to this monkey disease.

    My personal comments here:

    This took some time, to eventaually manifest itself in people as HIV AIDS. Aids
    is not transmitted by mosquitos (being cold blooded),,, thank GOD! The only
    source of infection is direct bodily fluid contact from an infected person
    THROUGH BLOOD AND BODILY FLUIDS. ie sex can cause minor abrasive cause damage,
    and the virus is spread through this direct to new persons bloodstream. Or
    people donated blood, they made blood products, gave transfusions, direct
    transmission of HIV. Or people share needles, drug addicts freely transmitted
    their blood by sharing their injecting needles.

    AIDS WAS NOT CAUSED BY GOD, it was
    caused by SCIENTISTS. It proves that any gmo, type thing, needs rigorous
    testing, This testing DOES NOT HAPPEN. IE what species to species direct
    injection can cause. We could eat infected monkeys, fine, we got guts designed
    to cope with this, but injecting monkey viruses directly into the blood stream?
    BUGGAR! too late!

    Abstract

    Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by two
    lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and HIV-2).
    Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the
    circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of
    multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs)
    naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in
    viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one
    transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon,
    gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss
    how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by
    imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary
    spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the
    emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed
    from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to
    examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future
    zoonotic risk.Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by
    two lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and
    HIV-2). Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the
    circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of
    multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs)
    naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in
    viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one
    transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon,
    gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss
    how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by
    imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary
    spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the
    emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed
    from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to
    examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future
    zoonotic risk.

  • ang

    (WORD FOR WORD FROM THE STUDY ABSTRACT)
    HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian
    immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) NATURALLY INFECTING AFRICAN PRIMATES..Most of
    these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited
    extent.

    HOWEVER ONE TRANSMISSION EVENT, INVOLVING SIV cpz FROM CHIMPANZEES IN
    SOUTHEASTERN CAMEROON GAVE RISE TO HIV-1 group M – THE PRINCIPAL CAUSE OF THE
    AIDS VIRUS.

    ie monkeys had viruses, the monkeys were fine, They just naturally carry
    these viruses. Live monkey cells, were used to create the vaccine.

    Vaccine used from the infected live monkeys… got injected into humans who
    have no immunity to this monkey disease.

    My personal comments here:

    This took some time, to eventaually manifest itself in people as HIV AIDS. Aids
    is not transmitted by mosquitos (being cold blooded),,, thank GOD! The only
    source of infection is direct bodily fluid contact from an infected person
    THROUGH BLOOD AND BODILY FLUIDS. ie sex can cause minor abrasive cause damage,
    and the virus is spread through this direct to new persons bloodstream. Or
    people donated blood, they made blood products, gave transfusions, direct
    transmission of HIV. Or people share needles, drug addicts freely transmitted
    their blood by sharing their injecting needles.

    AIDS WAS NOT CAUSED BY GOD, it was
    caused by SCIENTISTS. It proves that any gmo, type thing, needs rigorous
    testing, This testing DOES NOT HAPPEN. IE what species to species direct
    injection can cause. We could eat infected monkeys, fine, we got guts designed
    to cope with this, but injecting monkey viruses directly into the blood stream?
    BUGGAR! too late!

    Abstract

    Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by two
    lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and HIV-2).
    Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the
    circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of
    multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs)
    naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in
    viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one
    transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon,
    gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss
    how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by
    imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary
    spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the
    emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed
    from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to
    examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future
    zoonotic risk.Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by
    two lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and
    HIV-2). Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the
    circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of
    multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs)
    naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in
    viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one
    transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon,
    gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss
    how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by
    imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary
    spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the
    emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed
    from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to
    examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future
    zoonotic risk.

  • ang

    This is the most simple summary: (WORD FOR WORD FROM THE STUDY ABSTRACT)
    HIVs are the result of multiple cross-species transmissions of simian
    immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) NATURALLY INFECTING AFRICAN PRIMATES..Most of
    these transfers resulted in viruses that spread in humans to only a limited
    extent.

    HOWEVER ONE TRANSMISSION EVENT, INVOLVING SIV cpz FROM CHIMPANZEES IN
    SOUTHEASTERN CAMEROON GAVE RISE TO HIV-1 group M – THE PRINCIPAL CAUSE OF THE
    AIDS VIRUS.

    ie monkeys had viruses, the monkeys were fine, They just naturally carry
    these viruses. Live monkey cells, were used to create the vaccine.

    Vaccine used from the infected live monkeys… got injected into humans who
    have no immunity to this monkey disease.

    My personal comments here:

    T
    source of infection is direct bodily fluid contact from an infected person
    THROUGH BLOOD AND BODILY FLUIDS. ie sex can cause minor abrasive cause damage,
    and the virus is spread through this direct to new persons bloodstream. Or
    people donated blood, they made blood products, gave transfusions, direct
    transmission of HIV. Or people share needles, drug addicts freely transmitted
    their blood by sharing their injecting needles.

    AIDS WAS NOT CAUSED BY GOD, it was
    caused by SCIENTISTS. It proves that any gmo, type thing, needs rigorous
    testing, This testing DOES NOT HAPPEN. IE what species to species direct
    injection can cause. We could eat infected monkeys, fine, we got guts designed
    to cope with this, but injecting monkey viruses directly into the blood stream?
    BUGGAR! too late!

    Abstract

    Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by two
    lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and HIV-2).
    Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the
    circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of
    multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs)
    naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in
    viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one
    transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon,
    gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss
    how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by
    imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary
    spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the
    emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed
    from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to
    examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future
    zoonotic risk.Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) of humans is caused by
    two lentiviruses, human immunodeficiency viruses types 1 and 2 (HIV-1 and
    HIV-2). Here, we describe the origins and evolution of these viruses, and the
    circumstances that led to the AIDS pandemic. Both HIVs are the result of
    multiple cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs)
    naturally infecting African primates. Most of these transfers resulted in
    viruses that spread in humans to only a limited extent. However, one
    transmission event, involving SIVcpz from chimpanzees in southeastern Cameroon,
    gave rise to HIV-1 group M—the principal cause of the AIDS pandemic. We discuss
    how host restriction factors have shaped the emergence of new SIV zoonoses by
    imposing adaptive hurdles to cross-species transmission and/or secondary
    spread. We also show that AIDS has likely afflicted chimpanzees long before the
    emergence of HIV. Tracing the genetic changes that occurred as SIVs crossed
    from monkeys to apes and from apes to humans provides a new framework to
    examine the requirements of successful host switches and to gauge future
    zoonotic risk.

  • ang

    see above…

  • ang

    They didnt want to use monkey live genetics, causes AIDs etc… so they created a Part vaccine, something they thought would bring an immunity, without injecting any live genetics…so we dont get monkey live viruses any more… But all experimental… they took part of the stuff, injected it and 80% of people got vaccine immunity to pertussis (I dont know about anything else, I just telling you what I know)…but it isnt real immunity, it is vaccine immunity, ie the vaccinated post 1997 -can be carriers of pertussis, so now we have the horrific situation, mothers vaccinated after 197 carry the disease, and it dont pasds thru into the breastmilk.. ie the mothers can infect their own babies………….. so now they say vaccinate at 6 months old, dont wait till1`2 months old… why??? there is a gap now.. 2 months old till 6 months old, where mothers infect their own babies? ALARMED!!!!!! YES i AM!!!

  • ang

    Yeah, a real horor in this world, hope they didnt give free vaccines to India, if they did, why???????????????

  • ang

    a subscription to who? what is nejm?? please explain,,,remember however, USA isnt the universe>>> I TOLD YOU MY QUALIFICATIONS, WHAT ARE YOURS?

  • ang

    Yes I agrre with whatever you say.. I am ignorant and uneducated. I might be thick but why all of as sudden 4 out of 9 grandkids thicker than me?(no we aint interbreds)..?? is that allthe fresh food we a eatin?

  • ang

    I stated my qualifications, you refuse to quote yours why>>?>why? And the best qualification?? The one I treasure the most BEING A MOTHER!!!!!!!!I Isnt that weird, when I die, I dont want to be known as a librarian, dont want to be known as nuclear scientist, dont want to be remembered for first person ever in WA to do accurate red cell counts, dont want to be remembered as the first person to be honest about who caused AIDS…I want to be remembered a s a MOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ang

    Do you get it V Valens? do you get it? if not, why not? are you a woman, obviously not……..

  • ang
  • ang

    I keep tryin I give you the references, but you do not read…

    None so blind, as those that refuse to see !!!

  • ang

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm

    none so blind, as those that refuse to see!

  • ang

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm

    none so blind cept those who refuse to see.

  • ang

    told you elsewhere..you aint replied with your qualifications yet… and dammit, ,my greatest qualification A MOTHER!! ARE YOU?

  • ang

    ah bit of fun, cant blieve the crap written on these sites…ah welll xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

  • ang

    what do you call it when man injects monkey viruses into man,,,,ooops should have called it A HIV monkey caused virus, damn those monkeys!!!

  • ang

    none so blind as those that refuse to see…

  • Al Mather

    Ang …sorry….perhaps it’s just the language thing. You come across as someone who barely has a grip on your sanity or reality, let alone the disciplines you claim to be qualified in.

  • Al Mather

    You just cut n’ pasted the study intro …then demonstrated you understood nothing it said.

  • V. Valens

    i told you my qualification at 2 separate occasions. being a mother isn’t a qualification, it’s right sperm meeting egg at the right time. Sorry, look at teen pregnancies, they aren’t qualified for a lot of things

  • V. Valens

    should really stop posting broken link in attempt to look like you got sources from legit places

  • ang

    While in the womb, a baby with HLHS receives the mother’s oxygenated blood through via patent ductus arteriosus (PDA). The PDA typically closes within hours after birth. Where HLHS is present, the right side of the heart can’t pump blood to the rest of the body once the PDA closes.

  • ang

    A lot of vaccine damage is blamed on shaken baby syndrome.

  • AutismDad

    Talk about half a heart.

  • AutismDad

    Quite the blah blah

  • V. Valens

    to the uneducated and ignorant, of course it’s the blah blah

  • V. Valens

    yeah because it’s easier to blame someone else than admit that you’re a terrible mother that shaking your baby

  • V. Valens

    what do you call it when man injects cow virus into man? oh right small pox vaccine, which helped eradicated small pox world wide. Damn those cows!!!

  • AutismDad

    Then we agree its blah blah. Its great for tomatoes, just till it in.

  • ang

    maybe they should have used cows for the polio virus too? Now replaced polio with AIDS. Shame they dont test the vaccines properly. And as far as cows go, just dont eat them, they could have mad cow desease(again caused by man) and you could get CJD (caused by feeding cows sheep carcases).. Yes again the sheep had a disease they fed it to the cows. that science! Feed uncooked sheep brains to cows.

  • V. Valens

    wow you called yourself a pathologist and you don’t know the basis of small pox eradication? no wonder you blame zoloft for your child’s death

  • V. Valens

    AustismDad, do you have autism? sounds like it if you can’t properly write

  • ang

    I never said anything about small pox eradication, you are confused, yet again. Why do you put in totally random comments?

  • Sue

    YOu are nothing but a rude person… they way you talk to people..and now you are suggesting being autistic…. you have no idea about autism…Use of “Autistic” or any other such word to be used in a derogatory manner especially on a site like this is down right shocking…. there are many many family members.. parents siblings who have autism in their lives is just down right wrong the way you are talking….It just points more to the facts of how little you care for those who are vaccine damaged……YOu have NO sensitivity whats so ever….

    “Posters here having family members who have intellectual and physical disabilities they learned how to recognize people who are too ignorant to get out of their own way.” V. Valens….

    And I believe you are a BIG Pharma employee who has numerous names.. is on here to discredit anyone who questions the safety of vaccines…..

  • Sue

    I am amazed how this person V. Valens uses Autism in such a fashion… I am shocked that V. Valens is using it in a derogatory manner .. and find it very insulting.. not just to me personally as I have an autistic adult son.. but to many may others.. Good on you AutismDad….

  • V. Valens

    I believe you are a Big fraud employee who has numerous names…is on here to scare people about the safety of vaccines to drum up business on fake supplements

  • V. Valens

    See that speaks about your ability to understand what you write. You have no idea how smallpox vaccine works, because if you did, you wouldn’t suggest polio using cows. I’m not sure what they trained or how they trained you to be a pathologist

  • Sue

    Deflecting are we V. Valens Propi….Not even .concerned about your derogatory manner you used AUTISM…. I do not see where I am discussing or have ever discussed supplements to you.. I am into healthy food….But everyone to their own.. And you will find that their are not the BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of $$$$’s BIG Pharma has to pay their TROLLS and do their best to discredit.. The difference between someone like me and someone like you is that I care and most posters have suffered vaccine damage in our families.. and most of us at one time or another probably thought vaccines were what the propaganda said they were.. but those with low intelligence or are hired by BIG Pharma well talk RUBBISH.. which one are you???

    This is what I said below and I am sticking to it as you are well rude..And have never heard of this company called Big Fraud … where are they based as you no so much about them…. Lol. I am not happy I will be honest with you insulting people and using autism to do it.. I did not think that would be allowed on this site….

    YOu are nothing but a rude person… they way you talk to people..and now you are suggesting being autistic…. you have no idea about autism…Use of “Autistic” or any other such word to be used in a derogatory manner especially on a site like this is down right shocking…. there are many many family members.. parents siblings who have autism in their lives is just down right wrong the way you are talking….It just points more to the facts of how little you care for those who are vaccine damaged……YOu have NO sensitivity whats so ever….

  • V. Valens

    yes but using autism to gather up sympathy is even more despicable. As for you, this site is called vactruth and i see no “truth” coming from you. All you got are conspiracy websites and youtube… You are incapable of mounting a legit defense for your stance, deflect and ignore any questions i asked of you. As I said before, you’re dismissed, it’s no longer amusing talking to you because you sing the same boring song without any improvement..

  • ang

    I never said anything about smallpox eradication.
    More about the AIDS virus. .. Yep vaccines infected with monkey viruses (oops Ape viruses). One bad batch went through USA, another batch (batches) to Africa… The stuff in USA is theorized spread quickly in Hep B vaccines (made using live blood, collected from 500 or so hep B homosexual patients)…it was also infected with HIV
    the African strain is slightly different, but very similar. Isnt that horrible s5 million deaths, already worldwide. All a man made disease, mixing up this that and the other, and getting ape viruses in the mix also. About time AIDS victims got a class action and sued. but that would send USA bankrupt, as the government pays out for vaccine damage, not the company that made it. Weird systerm.

  • ang

    What are you on about, a legit defense for your stance? Never heard such garbage in my life……
    Come on V you got better poetry than that! Come on rofl xx

  • Sue

    OH MY GOODNESS ME are you for real.. what sort of person are you..You are not only using AUTISM in a derogatory manner.. now you are rubbishing all parents in suggesting they are here to get sympathy.. every word you utter is just well a complete lack of compassion in the and understanding of families who deal with so much day to day…… and you want people to take you seriously…. really…..would you be happier if we locked disabled children away …. would you be happier if they were not part of society to see… I think maybe you would….Ignore the questions you have asked me..your stupid questions.. well tell me why there is 1 case of measles that is not life threatening will have no life long effects diagnosed to 7000 cases of autism diagnosed…??? or are these parents just looking for sympathy as well?????
    Well stop replying then … Ha ha you are dismissed that is so you is it not.. dismissing people …. is that what you want to to do the disabled dismiss them out of sight our of mind eh…..what a caring person you are….

  • ang

    Definition of AMES TEST
    : a test for identifying potential carcinogens by studying their mutagenic effect on bacteria

    Why would anyone run an AMES test on zoloft? Do you actually know what Zoloft is ????

  • V. Valens

    no one with an autistic child would be so shameless to call himself autismdad. As for your pathetic reasoning, people like you who believe in frauds like Tenpenny, Wakefield , Sears etc are the reason why there’s a regression in human intelligence. You don’t understand the simple basic of reasoning and logic, do you go on the airplane and tell the pilot he’s doing wrong because “you learned how to fly airplane on youtube” and accusing him of working for the big airplane companies to mislead you into doing XYZ on the plane? I have seen people with autistic children who are speaking up and promoting vaccination to save their child from life threatening diseases, what are you going to say then? they’re working for the big pharma?
    you’re sad and delusional

  • V. Valens

    I have, it’s called you claiming to be a trained pathologist…

  • V. Valens

    you claimed zoloft is teratogenic to you. Do you have proof?

  • Sue

    Here we go again.. suggesting you should be the ruler and state no one should call themselves autismdad.. and why is that cause the almighty V. Valens has spoken….who are you to know how this father feels.. what he and his family have battled though.. Do you have an autistic child… Now back trying your best to run others down..It seems to me you are just here on this site to disagree and be nasty.. . .. and you have nothing to offer…except venomous comments towards anyone who will listen..Oh and the mighty V. Valens has seen people with autistic children who are speaking up and promoting vaccination….. I wonder if you are talking about the last 7000 children diagnosed with autism compared the 1 diagnosed with measles that will not leave a life time of struggle.. as Autism does…..I wonder how many parents you have seen.. what on YOUTUBE.. TV.that have spoken for vaccines…. have you talked personally to families and seen what there every day life is .have you ever walked in their shoes.. NO they would be to BIG for you…. No of course you havent.. you live in your make believe little bubble of denial…. and chuck out awful comments to parents who have suffered through having vaccine damaged children…

  • ang

    yeah, blah, blah blah…. like I said, finally suing in USA. you said did I get an AMES test…. come on… you can come back with a better line than that one! you dont even know what zoloft is…. I doubt if you even know what teratogenic is ….

  • ang

    come on, do better……… You have an opinion on a subject you obviously know 0 about, an AMES test for birth deformities, caused by zoloft use? Hmmmmm? You messed up there, didnt ya! You have an opionion on zoloft, but you obviously havent got a clue, what it even is???

  • Al Mather

    Deflect,ignore,deny…it’s what they do.

  • V. Valens

    did i say use AMES for deformities? i said use it on zoloft stupid. But then again, you’re a “mother” so you must know everything right?

  • V. Valens

    saying like i don’t know zoloft is like saying you know zoloft causing your child’s deformities. Next thing you know, you’re going to claim zoloft has the same effect as thalidomide or DES

  • ang

    yes I know stupid, test zoloft using AMES….. look up zoloft at least! OMG? Are you for real?

  • ang

    So you know what zoloft is? I have to prove it caused my babys birth defects, by testing Zoloft using AMES? Say it again, brings a tear to my eye (laughter).

  • AutismDad

    Nice job outing yourself as a bigot, and all around dirtbag.

  • AutismDad

    Again outing yourself as narrow minded, hateful and all around dirtbag.

  • AutismDad

    WOW take long to write that gem?

  • AutismDad

    Regressive human intelligence? Now we know what your problem is.

  • ang

    Sorry V. Valens, as for the uneducated and ignorant, you win! Must a prize somewhere, lets all do a gofundme so you can go and use the local library. Then at least you can research, something anything, befoe you have such a loud, loud opinion on! You obviously cant even use your computer search engines to work out what AMES is, and what zoloft is…

  • ang

    And Al do you believe I need to prove zoloft caused birth defects by doing an AMES test on zoloft. Its Ok, can research first!

  • AutismDad

    Another kettle-pot argument. YAWN

  • ang

    hahaha! yeah, there is regression in human intelligence. It is called a certain person that knows everything about everything, and says I need to do an AMES test on zoloft, to prove it caused birth defects…. So now I put this human where it belongs….. in the zoo. Lets see what V Valens writes this time! In all my lfe, this is the first person I can call an absolute moron. V Valens, you win the prize!!!

  • AutismDad

    Good thing I could care less what this animal says. His credibility is zero and he and other pro-vac Neanderthals revert to anger when they run out of kettle-pot references.

  • ang

    “”””did i say use AMES for deformities? i said use it on zoloft stupid “””””””””” Your quote, I cant stop, I am in fits of laughter….

  • ang

    V Valens, you are obviously passionate about stuff you know nothing about, ever thought of studying???. It is great, get out meet people, learn about whatever you want…, or if you are housebound, study on-line. It is fantastic!.. then you can come back on the computer, and get involved in conversations/debates with some actual knowledge.

  • ang

    this is for that person, who says I should use AMES to test zoloft… hmmm? V Valens, you are obviously passionate about stuff you know nothing about, ever thought of studying???. It is great, get out meet people, learn about whatever you want…, or if you are housebound, study on-line. It is fantastic!.. then you can come back on the computer, and get involved in conversations/debates with some actual knowledge.

  • ang

    I actually feel so sorry for this person… like it is easy to look up Zoloft using a search engine… it is easy to look up AMES test…..Yet a person who is incapable or too lazy to do this, has an opinion? Why?

  • Al Mather

    Only if you want to Ang. Of no interest to me.

  • sabelmouse

    can’t youse think up your own things?

  • Al Mather

    Ang… Everybody with half a brain and reasonable cognitive skills knows that HIV was a species jump from Simians to Humans….that fact has been out there for a few decades. None of these reports you keep posting ( and posting and posting and posting)have anything to do with vaccines..

  • ang

    You just say it is a spcies jump from Simians to Humans. Happened around 1980 after 1980 (?) they suddenly stop using live blood/genetics in vaccines….. And this previous HIV Jump has nothing to do with vaccines? How can you say 100% it is not caused by vaccine transmission, when people were being injected with vaccines containing the siminan viruses?????? Bit head in the sand isnt it? Bad batch (es?) went to Africa, another to California, just what I heard on the medical “grapevine””. I got my vaccinations in UK, so I didnt worry.

  • Al Mather

    Your timelines are all incorrect ..all this stuff happened decades before. You just started hearing about HIV once they ID it..
    “First, leftover stocks of the polio vaccine in question were examined by independent laboratories, and were confirmed to have been made using monkey cells—not chimpanzee cells, as Hooper had claimed. Furthermore, none was contaminated with HIV or SIV. This data reinforces the vaccine developers’ statements that only monkey cells, not chimpanzee cells, were used in producing the vaccine.

    Second, a 2004 study published in Nature found that the strain of SIV affecting chimpanzees in the area where Hooper claimed vaccine had been prepared using chimpanzee cells was genetically distinct from HIV strains. This refuted Hooper’s claims from yet another angle: even if SIV-infected chimpanzee cells from that area had been used to make the vaccine, they could not have been the source of HIV.

    Epidemiological studies also highlight a serious problem with Hooper’s claims of an OPV/HIV link: HIV-1 (the first of two known species of HIV, more infective and virulent than the second, HIV-2) was likely introduced to humans prior to 1940, and in a completely different part of Africa than the location of the polio vaccine trial, probably via infected chimpanzees in Cameroon. The Congo vaccine trials took place in the late 1950s—at least a decade after HIV had begun spreading in humans, and probably longer, according to more recent estimates (Worobey 2008). The vaccine could not have been the source of a virus that had already been infecting humans for many years.

    Hooper, for his part, stands by his claims and alleges an organized cover-up, but his argument has largely been relegated to the status of a debunked conspiracy theory. Yet even though his claims have not been found to have merit, they have still managed to damage global efforts to eradicate polio. Rumors of the current oral polio vaccine having been intentionally contaminated with drugs to cause sterility and “viruses which are known to cause HIV and AIDS” led to local refusals to accept the vaccine in parts of Africa. It’s likely that these rumors are related to the original OPV/HIV accusations. Partially as a result of these refusals, polio flared back up in parts of Africa after vaccination had led to positive steps toward eradication.”

  • ang

    ÒK you never told me how a monkey virus, suddenly jumped species…. to infect humans? They been using these monkeys (chimps) for years making vaccines. They are laboratory monkeys, they all cross infected with everything monkey wise, they were used to test the vaccines, ie monkeys got injected with other monkey and human blood. Where is any proof of the bland statement…. “HIV most probably introduced into Africa pre 1940”. Convenient way of saying, yeah could have been in the congo vaccine trials but they took place 10 years later? Polio is now being spread in India, because they are again using the live vaccines (which are no longer used in the Western world……… not safe, lets still use it in India though? Don’t you think that is obscene and totally immoral?)… the vaccine is infecting them. If I lived in Africa, and AIDS had gone through, after vaccines arrived, and they were giving kids injections, and those kids were getting Polio, is it illogical they are refusing the vaccines? Ebola has links to infected needles/vaccinations also. Vaccines have a very suspicious and chequered past. Now the new whooping cough one, doesnt even work!

  • Al Mather

    Actually they had been using Macaque Monkeys and the SIV in question is specific to chimpanzees.

    “The most commonly accepted theory is that of the ‘hunter’. In this scenario, SIVcpz was transferred to humans as a result of chimps being killed and eaten or their blood getting into cuts or wounds on the hunter. Normally the hunter’s body would have fought off SIV, but on a few occasions it adapted itself within its new human host and became HIV-1. The fact that there were several different early strains of HIV, each with a slightly different genetic make-up (the most common of which was HIV-1 group M), would support this theory: every time it passed from a chimpanzee to a man, it would have developed in a slightly different way within his body, and thus produced a slightly different strain.
    An article published in The Lancet in 2004 , also shows how retroviral transfer from primates to hunters is still occurring even today. In a sample of 1099 individuals in Cameroon , they discovered ten (1%) were infected with SFV (Simian Foamy Virus), an illness which, like SIV, was previously thought only to infect primates. All these infections were believed to have been acquired through the butchering and consumption of monkey and ape meat. Discoveries such as this have led to calls for an outright ban on bushmeat hunting to prevent simian viruses being passed to humans.”

  • ang

    OK the strain in USA, was a slightly different strain than in Africa… it did not transfer from anyone in Africa to USA. So you are telling me US citizens hunt chimpanzees? Get real? The most commonly accepted theory? from whom, the vaccine manufacturers, ……..try again?
    And in Africa, this slightly different strain of HIV? what a coincidence this has never happened in centuries of civilization, except until 1980. Ban chimpanzee bushmeat tucker all you want, THAT AINT THE WAY AMERICANS GOT INFECTED. did the lab workers get bitten by lab monkeys? Is that how they caught this genetically altered monkey virus? that sounds a lot more rational to me, than people in USA eating raw chimpanzees, dont you think?

  • Al Mather

    WOW! Are you kidding me with this???You know for someone who claims to be a Pathologist you seem to have an 8 year olds understanding of disease! Can it be possible you are that clueless that you don’t understand how HIV is transmitted from human to human???
    Once the virus jumped and developed in Humans in Western Central Africa.. probably in the 1940s ..it was transmitted human to human. The first diagnosed and Identified case in the USA was almost 40 years later. That doesn’t mean there weren’t thousands of cases around the world as it spread. It just wasn’t identified till the 80s.Other doctors in other parts of the world were aware of it.

  • ang

    Thanks, the more you say the more it backs up the theory.First diagnosed case in USA around 1980s.. timing perfect. Africa around the same time. Two different strains. The “”rest of the world” got infected very gradually over years……not the sudden massive infection that followed the original vaccine infections in Africa and the other strain, in USA..

  • Al Mather

    Completely wrong .Nothing I said backs up your little conspiracy theory Ang. Everything i linked to refutes and shows you crazy theory to be impossible.But I can tell your desperately WANT to believe it so there’s no point. What is being proven is your lack of understanding about HIV ,genetic coding, and basic math. You’re a Pathologist like I’m an Astronaut.

  • ang

    I”m over it, cant be bothered to reply so will just cut and pasteang Cairenn Day • 8 minutes ago

    If it was in humans in the early 1900s, it would have spread…. it didnt spread, until 1980s, then it spread like wildfire… It was not present in any other countries, except USA and Africa, until mid 1980s… When it THEN spread like wildfire. Yes chimpanzee, sorry, an ape like not a monkey type.
    I dont ignore science, I embrace science, and information. I ignore ignorance, corruption, and deceipt. The USA government apparently pays for vaccine injuries, every AIDS victim needs to get together and do a class action… Then leave it to the judge eh?

    USA HIV in 1980s was slightly different to African HIV…. so it didn’t spread, from One African, having unprotected sex to an American……. thats been proven. And no way do Americans eat infected raw chimpazee bush meat?

    The monkeys oh damn chimps are well known in laboratories to be infected with all this stuff. Maybe a chimp bit a human… makes much better sense than Americans eating and hunting wild chimpazees. Either way, man made disease. Replace polio with AIDS…. “we dabble and deal in what we know little about, as if we can create better than Mother Earth herself””

  • ang

    re HIV a man made disease, and hope all USA Aids patients, or family, finally do a class action for compensation….. ie vaccine injuries.

    Reply to another….

    If it was in humans in the early 1900s, it would have spread…. it didnt spread, until 1980s, then it spread like wildfire… It was not present in any other countries, except USA and Africa, until mid 1980s… When it THEN spread like wildfire. Yes chimpanzee, sorry, an ape like not a monkey type.
    I dont ignore science, I embrace science, and information. I ignore ignorance, corruption, and deceipt. The USA government apparently pays for vaccine injuries, every AIDS victim needs to get together and do a class action… Then leave it to the judge eh?

    USA HIV in 1980s was slightly different to African HIV…. so it didn’t spread, from One African, having unprotected sex to an American……. thats been proven. And no way do Americans eat infected raw chimpazee bush meat?

    The monkeys oh damn chimps are well known in laboratories to be infected with all this stuff. Maybe a chimp bit a human… makes much better sense than Americans eating and hunting wild chimpazees. Either way, man made disease. Replace polio with AIDS…. “we dabble and deal in what we know little about, as if we can create better than Mother Earth herself””

  • ang

    I have no financial gain from this, only moral happiness. I am a pathologist, a mother, and many other things… I make no money from my views.. but damn if HIV patients actually try and get the compensation they deserve, due to vaccine injury, I will leave this world achieving one thing for humanity.

  • ang

    re HIV a man made disease, and hope all USA Aids patients, or family, finally do a class action for compensation….. ie vaccine injuries.

    Reply to another….

    If it was in humans in the early 1900s, it would have spread…. it didnt spread, until 1980s, then it spread like wildfire… It was not present in any other countries, except USA and Africa, until mid 1980s… When it THEN spread like wildfire. Yes chimpanzee, sorry, an ape like not a monkey type.
    I dont ignore science, I embrace science, and information. I ignore ignorance, corruption, and deceipt. The USA government apparently pays for vaccine injuries, every AIDS victim needs to get together and do a class action… Then leave it to the judge eh?

    USA HIV in 1980s was slightly different to African HIV…. so it didn’t spread, from One African, having unprotected sex to an American……. thats been proven. And no way do Americans eat infected raw chimpazee bush meat?

    The monkeys oh damn chimps are well known in laboratories to be infected with all this stuff. Maybe a chimp bit a human… makes much better sense than Americans eating and hunting wild chimpazees. Either way, man made disease. Replace polio with AIDS…. “we dabble and deal in what we know little about, as if we can create better than Mother Earth herself””

  • ang

    USA Aids patients, or family, finally do a class action for compensation….. ie vaccine injuries.

    Reply to someone else

    If it was in humans in the early 1900s, it would have spread…. it didnt spread, until 1980s, then it spread like wildfire… It was not present in any other countries, except USA and Africa, until mid 1980s… When it THEN spread like wildfire. Yes chimpanzee, sorry, an ape like not a monkey type.
    I dont ignore science, I embrace science, and information. I ignore ignorance, corruption, and deceipt. The USA government apparently pays for vaccine injuries, every AIDS victim needs to get together and do a class action… Then leave it to the judge eh?

    USA HIV in 1980s was slightly different to African HIV…. so it didn’t spread, from One African, having unprotected sex to an American……. thats been proven. And no way do Americans eat infected raw chimpazee bush meat?

    The monkeys oh damn chimps are well known in laboratories to be infected with all this stuff. Maybe a chimp bit a human… makes much better sense than Americans eating and hunting wild chimpazees. Either way, man made disease. Replace polio with AIDS…. “we dabble and deal in what we know little about, as if we can create better than Mother Earth herself””

  • ang

    HI Val just some information for your

    re HIV a man made disease, and hope all USA Aids patients, or family, finally do a class action for compensation….. ie vaccine injuries.

    Reply to another….

    If it was in humans in the early 1900s, it would have spread…. it didnt spread, until 1980s, then it spread like wildfire… It was not present in any other countries, except USA and Africa, until mid 1980s… When it THEN spread like wildfire. Yes chimpanzee, sorry, an ape like not a monkey type.
    I dont ignore science, I embrace science, and information. I ignore ignorance, corruption, and deceipt. The USA government apparently pays for vaccine injuries, every AIDS victim needs to get together and do a class action… Then leave it to the judge eh?

    USA HIV in 1980s was slightly different to African HIV…. so it didn’t spread, from One African, having unprotected sex to an American……. thats been proven. And no way do Americans eat infected raw chimpazee bush meat?

    The monkeys oh damn chimps are well known in laboratories to be infected with all this stuff. Maybe a chimp bit a human… makes much better sense than Americans eating and hunting wild chimpazees. Either way, man made disease. Replace polio with AIDS…. “we dabble and deal in what we know little about, as if we can create better than Mother Earth herself””

  • ang

    hi mouse, glad you aint a lab rat!

    re HIV a man made disease, and hope all USA Aids patients, or family, finally do a class action for compensation….. ie vaccine injuries.

    Reply to another….

    If it was in humans in the early 1900s, it would have spread…. it didnt spread, until 1980s, then it spread like wildfire… It was not present in any other countries, except USA and Africa, until mid 1980s… When it THEN spread like wildfire. Yes chimpanzee, sorry, an ape like not a monkey type.
    I dont ignore science, I embrace science, and information. I ignore ignorance, corruption, and deceipt. The USA government apparently pays for vaccine injuries, every AIDS victim needs to get together and do a class action… Then leave it to the judge eh?

    USA HIV in 1980s was slightly different to African HIV…. so it didn’t spread, from One African, having unprotected sex to an American……. thats been proven. And no way do Americans eat infected raw chimpazee bush meat?

    The monkeys oh damn chimps are well known in laboratories to be infected with all this stuff. Maybe a chimp bit a human… makes much better sense than Americans eating and hunting wild chimpazees. Either way, man made disease. Replace polio with AIDS…. “we dabble and deal in what we know little about, as if we can create better than Mother Earth herself””

  • Al Mather

    It was in Africa for decades, it was in Haiti in the 60s, USA and other countries in the 70s, started hitting the Gay and intravenous drug users in the 80s,spread there because of the lifestyle mechanisms and became an identified virus then. THAT is when you seem to start paying attention. You are ignoring the fact that viruses can be decoded so epidemiologists can verify and trace the spread of the disease. NOBODY ever said ANYTHING about Americans eating Chimpanzee meat . That little piece of stupidity was all yours.

  • Al Mather

    Like I said ..if you are a Pathologist I am an Astronaut..previous reply to above silliness.

    “The most commonly accepted theory is that of the ‘hunter’. In this scenario, SIVcpz was transferred to humans as a result of chimps being killed and eaten or their blood getting into cuts or wounds on the hunter. Normally the hunter’s body would have fought off SIV, but on a few occasions it adapted itself within its new human host and became HIV-1. The fact that there were several different early strains of HIV, each with a slightly different genetic make-up (the most common of which was HIV-1 group M), would support this theory: every time it passed from a chimpanzee to a man, it would have developed in a slightly different way within his body, and thus produced a slightly different strain.
    An article published in The Lancet in 2004 , also shows how retroviral transfer from primates to hunters is still occurring even today. In a sample of 1099 individuals in Cameroon , they discovered ten (1%) were infected with SFV (Simian Foamy Virus), an illness which, like SIV, was previously thought only to infect primates. All these infections were believed to have been acquired through the butchering and consumption of monkey and ape meat. Discoveries such as this have led to calls for an outright ban on bushmeat hunting to prevent simian viruses being passed to humans.”You know for someone who claims to be a Pathologist you seem to have an 8 year olds understanding of disease! Can it be possible you are that clueless that you don’t understand how HIV is transmitted from human to human??? Or about mutation?
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/technol
    Once the virus jumped and developed in Humans in Western Central Africa.. probably in or before the 1940s ..it was transmitted human to human. The first diagnosed and Identified case in the USA was almost 40 years later. That doesn’t mean there weren’t thousands of cases around the world as it spread. It just wasn’t identified till the 80s.Other doctors in other parts of the world were aware of it.
    BTW..how do you know what has happened in centuries and centuries of civilization. Until the world got small from air travel a disease that affected 1% of an African village wasn’t going to rip its way to Europe in the 19th century. Think. Once again, you can make up all the conspiracy theories you want but DNA/RNA codes don’t lie. These things can be traced and tracked. And they have been.http://www.avert.org/aids-timeline.ht…It was in Africa for decades(BOTH STRAINS), it was in Haiti in the 60s, USA and other countries in the 70s, started hitting the gay men’s community and intravenous drug users in the 80s,spread there because of the lifestyle mechanisms and became an identified virus then. THAT is when you seem to start paying attention. You are ignoring the fact that viruses can be decoded so epidemiologists can verify and trace the spread of the disease. Ignoring the fact that it was Macaque monkeys used in vaccine development and they do not get SIV. Oblivious to the question WHY would only gay men and intravenous drug users be getting an oral polio vaccine in the 80s??NOBODY ever said ANYTHING about Americans eating Chimpanzee meat . That little piece of stupidity was all yours. You have latched on to a conspiracy theory that is full of holes and already been proven false and now you don’t want to let it go . Backing up MY theory that you are not in possession of all your cards.

  • Al Mather

    Conspiracy theory that has been proposed and thoroughly debunked ..”First, leftover stocks of the polio vaccine in question were examined by independent laboratories, and were confirmed to have been made using monkey cells—not chimpanzee cells, as Hooper had claimed. Furthermore, none was contaminated with HIV or SIV. This data reinforces the vaccine developers’ statements that only monkey cells, not chimpanzee cells, were used in producing the vaccine.

    Second, a 2004 study published in Nature found that the strain of SIV affecting chimpanzees in the area where Hooper claimed vaccine had been prepared using chimpanzee cells was genetically distinct from HIV strains. This refuted Hooper’s claims from yet another angle: even if SIV-infected chimpanzee cells from that area had been used to make the vaccine, they could not have been the source of HIV.

    Epidemiological studies also highlight a serious problem with Hooper’s claims of an OPV/HIV link: HIV-1 (the first of two known species of HIV, more infective and virulent than the second, HIV-2) was likely introduced to humans prior to 1940, and in a completely different part of Africa than the location of the polio vaccine trial, probably via infected chimpanzees in Cameroon. The Congo vaccine trials took place in the late 1950s—at least a decade after HIV had begun spreading in humans, and probably longer, according to more recent estimates (Worobey 2008). The vaccine could not have been the source of a virus that had already been infecting humans for many years.

    Hooper, for his part, stands by his claims and alleges an organized cover-up, but his argument has largely been relegated to the status of a debunked conspiracy theory. Yet even though his claims have not been found to have merit, they have still managed to damage global efforts to eradicate polio. Rumors of the current oral polio vaccine having been intentionally contaminated with drugs to cause sterility and “viruses which are known to cause HIV and AIDS” led to local refusals to accept the vaccine in parts of Africa. It’s likely that these rumors are related to the original OPV/HIV accusations. Partially as a result of these refusals, polio flared back up in parts of Africa after vaccination had led to positive steps toward eradication.”

  • ang

    GEEZ THAT WAS QUICK AL, YOU MUST BE FURIOUS THE TRUTH IS OUT? You ever learnt the technique, read between the lines. they test the obvious, to prove its wrong… if it is so wrong, why do they invest so much money somehow proving its wrong? Why not just laugh, and move away….. Instead they spend fortunes debunking a myth? WHY?

  • ang

    HAHAH! you do debate well, must admit..

  • ang

    an astronaut cool tell me more? I am apparently the nutty one?and you? You know a lot more about AIDS being caused by vacines, they you are telling? WHY?

  • ang

    All these infections”WERE BELIEVED to have been acquired through the butchering and consumption of monkey and ape meat.
    Geez you gettin quick
    Tell me more, like the old “reading between the line.
    You geting angry.. Or they dont pay you if you dont convince everyone? Damn I dont know… All I know is you reply apparently to a “mental case”… WHY?

    Your quote “were believed” you getting quick Al, so were believed is now proof? Tell me again why Aids occurred in AFRICA, and USA and NOWHERE else in the world despite your theory AIDS had existed in Africa in when 1920s?:

  • ang

    Hello Al the great debater.
    All these infections”WERE BELIEVED to have been acquired through the butchering and consumption of monkey and ape meat.

    Tell me more, like the old “reading between the line.
    You geting angry.. Or they dont pay you if you dont convince everyone? Damn I dont know… All I know is you reply apparently to a “mental case”… WHY?

    Your quote “were believed” you getting quick Al, so were believed is now proof? Tell me again why Aids occurred in AFRICA, and USA and NOWHERE else in the world despite your theory AIDS had existed in Africa in when 1920s?:

  • ang

    Everyone USA sue for AIDS… they will listen now, all the bastards theat created this 35 years ago, will never be charged.

  • ang

    You were in Africa FOR DECADES, you were in Haiti in the 60S, you were part of the gay mens community/intravenous drug users in the 80s … If you were, I WILL LISTEN. If you werent. Why do you comment?

  • ang

    YOU BITING QUICK NOW WHY? Did I perhaps hit a “raw nerve” if I was an oxymoron, why do you reply to me SO DAMN QUICKLY? You better be quiet, you giving more and more information…………

  • ang

    Your quote “”You are ignoring the fact that viruses can be decoded so epidemiologists can verify and trace the spread of the disease”””” no epidemiologists dare tell the truth… until all the old bastards, that created AIDS can no longer be put in Jail. Who is going to investigate? Until 25 million died? Until 35 damn years go past, and AIDS is now a self limiting man made disease. Sue USA, sue the bastards.

  • ang

    Your quote “”You are ignoring the fact that viruses can be decoded so epidemiologists can verify and trace the spread of the disease”””” no epidemiologists dare tell the truth… until all the old bastards, that created AIDS can no longer be put in Jail. Who is going to investigate? Until 25 million died? Until 35 damn years go past, and AIDS is now a self limiting man made disease. Sue USA, sue the bastards.

    You were in Africa FOR DECADES, you were in Haiti in the 60S, you were part of the gay mens community/intravenous drug users in the 80s … If you were, I WILL LISTEN. If you werent. Why do you comment?

    YOU BITING QUICK NOW WHY? Did I perhaps hit a “raw nerve” if I was an oxymoron, why do you reply to me SO DAMN QUICKLY? You better be quiet, you giving more and

  • ang

    More and more “read between the lines” why so many trials to prove this and this didn’t cause THE FACT. Why? If it didnt cause it why the “knee jerk reaction”” to spend millions to prove the correct wrong? Why all the trials (paid by vaccine companies) to prove they were innocent of this that and the other? This is called called “reading between the lines”…innocents dont spend millions proving their innocence, if they are innocent????????????? the more information you give me, the more convinced I become. If AIDS was hahah! not vaccine related, why did the vaccine manufacturers firstly STOP IMMEDIATELY any “live vaccines”, and IMMEDIATELY SPEND MILLIONS disproving a crazy theory? One wonders?

  • ang

    “Read between the lines” why so many trials to prove this and this didn’t cause THE FACT. Why? If it didnt cause it why the “knee jerk reaction”” to spend millions to prove the correct wrong? Why all the trials (paid by vaccine companies) to prove they were innocent of this that and the other? This is called called “reading between the lines”…innocents dont spend millions proving their innocence, if they are innocent????????????? the more information you give me, the more convinced I become. If AIDS was hahah! not vaccine related, why did the vaccine manufacturers firstly STOP IMMEDIATELY any “live vaccines”, and IMMEDIATELY SPEND MILLIONS disproving a crazy theory? One wonders?

  • ang

    What does the little double foot avatar mean? so many have the same avatar? does that mean they get paid by how many avatars happen in this sort of thing?

  • ang

    Was tryiing to discuss, ie debate on sonsome site calle disquis? so appalled, like I cant even list my own website, seems to keep rejecting…. anyhow Like my new avatar? I got it somehow!! ropfl xxxz Yes, I know damn computers…….

  • ang

    You said it all first sentence quote “””The most commonly accepted theory is that of the ‘hunter'”””commonly accepted theory by whom? the vaccine manufacturers? THE TRUTH IS THERE NOW, hope everyone USA infected or hurt by AIDS, sues the crap out of the government USA< who now take responsibility for vaccine "negative events"… Africa? Australia? nah we cant sue… but damn we can be honest.. GOOD LUCK USA !
    The crap that it is a gay virus, is just that, crap….

  • ang

    In Australia, government does testing, government creates new whatever, U&ncorruptiible system.. that is why Australia proved that stomach ulcers are caused by a virus, one does of antibiotic…gone…………. DAMN DIDNT USA BIG PAHRMA TRY FOR TEN DAMN YEARSUSA? Anyone can make anything, call them Monsanto… falsify everyething, or dont bother even to test, send tget the OK to sell untested stuff? Look what happens, AIDS! or theabysmal failure of the new gmo pertussios vaccine, that creates sickness in the most vulnerable, the newborn?

  • ang

    AUSTRALIANS PROVED STOMACH ULCERS ARE CAUSED BY AN EASILY TREATED BUG, ONE ANTIBIOTIC, ULCERS GONE? sorry hate caps lock, reality? antibiotics got rid of stomach ulcers, and big Pharma, despite all their “calling us in Australia ignorants”… well damn they ended up losing billions in treatments, to stop the effects of a stomach ulcer? Reality? Australia got rid of stomach ulcers… but didnt damn big Pharma USA, try and discredit… why they lost billions in treatments that alleviated, but never cured. WELL DONE USA!

  • ang

    Australian researchers, that get any credibility>>> Universities or government,. so they actually try and find a cure? USA? Apparently Universities dont have the facilities to do this testing? WTF? and they the future leaders in these areas? UNIVERSITIES THAT DONT HAVE PROPER FACILITIES, AINT UNIVERSITIES, THEY ARE BABYSITTING UNTIL THE STUDENTS WORK FOR BIG PHARMA/MONSATAN………ET AL……..?????????? Why pay for getting an education, in such corrupt and useless situations? Universities should be unbiased, and have facilities, or how the hell do you teach your students?

  • ang

    “”The first diagnosed and Identified case in the USA was almost 40 years later. That doesn’t mean there weren’t thousands of cases around the world as it spread. “”””””””””””your quote Al???? WHAT CASES WHERE? Do tell..There were NO CASES outside of Africa and USA until 1985………. Do list who whas infected and where? You getting really cross, you replying to an oxymoron, why?

  • ang

    Reply to Al Mather Als quote
    “”The first diagnosed and Identified case in the USA was almost 40 years later. That doesn’t mean there weren’t thousands of cases around the world as it spread. “”””””””””””your quote Al???? WHAT CASES WHERE? Why did AIDS never spread anywhere if Africans were infected from eating uncooked chimpanzees around 1920s? No recorded cases, why suddenly did Africans take a liking to uncooked Chimpanzee meat? Bit absurd isnt it?Do tell..
    There were NO CASES outside of Africa and USA until 1985………. Do list who was infected and where? You getting really cross, you replying to an oxymoron, why? Why do you reply to an a person who apparently knows nothing, and you mock as knowing nothing…. You gettin quicker with your replies, why?

  • ang

    This is Al Mathers comment

    Like I said ..if you are a Pathologist I am an Astronaut..previous reply to above silliness.

    “The most commonly accepted theory is that of the ‘hunter’. In this scenario, SIVcpz was transferred to humans as a result of chimps being killed and eaten or their blood getting into cuts or wounds on the hunter. Normally the hunter’s body would have fought off SIV, but on a few occasions it adapted itself within its new human host and became HIV-1. The fact that there were several different early strains of HIV, each with a slightly different genetic make-up (the most common of which was HIV-1 group M), would support this theory: every time it passed from a chimpanzee to a man, it would have developed in a slightly different way within his body, and thus produced a slightly different strain.
    An article published in The Lancet in 2004 , also shows how retroviral transfer from primates to hunters is still occurring even today. In a sample of 1099 individuals in Cameroon , they discovered ten (1%) were infected with SFV (Simian Foamy Virus), an illness which, like SIV, was previously thought only to infect primates. All these infections were believed to have been acquired through the butchering and consumption of monkey and ape meat. Discoveries such as this have led to calls for an outright ban on bushmeat hunting to prevent simian viruses being passed to humans.”You know for someone who claims to be a Pathologist you seem to have an 8 year olds understanding of disease! Can it be possible you are that clueless that you don’t understand how HIV is transmitted from human to human??? Or about mutation?
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/technol
    Once the virus jumped and developed in Humans in Western Central Africa.. probably in or before the 1940s ..it was transmitted human to human. The first diagnosed and Identified case in the USA was almost 40 years later. That doesn’t mean there weren’t thousands of cases around the world as it spread. It just wasn’t identified till the 80s.Other doctors in other parts of the world were aware of it.
    BTW..how do you know what has happened in centuries and centuries of civilization. Until the world got small from air travel a disease that affected 1% of an African village wasn’t going to rip its way to Europe in the 19th century. Think. Once again, you can make up all the conspiracy theories you want but DNA/RNA codes don’t lie. These things can be traced and tracked. And they have been.http://www.avert.org/aids-timeline.ht… was in Africa for decades(BOTH STRAINS), it was in Haiti in the 60s, USA and other countries in the 70s, started hitting the gay men’s community and intravenous drug users in the 80s,spread there because of the lifestyle mechanisms and became an identified virus then. THAT is when you seem to start paying attention. You are ignoring the fact that viruses can be decoded so epidemiologists can verify and trace the spread of the disease. Ignoring the fact that it was Macaque monkeys used in vaccine development and they do not get SIV. Oblivious to the question WHY would only gay men and intravenous drug users be getting an oral polio vaccine in the 80s??NOBODY ever said ANYTHING about Americans eating Chimpanzee meat . That little piece of stupidity was all yours. You have latched on to a conspiracy theory that is full of holes and already been proven false and now you don’t want to let it go . Backing up MY theory that you are not in possession of all your cards.

  • ang

    Keep dreaming Al…..They did testing in Cameroon, WHY CAMEROON? Is Cameroon perhaps, where they bred monkeys (oops chimpanzees), and bred thms for export? or did they actually test vaccines in Cameroon? I dont know, you telling me the story. Anyone can look it up on internet. Anyone anywhere look up Cameroon..AND chimpanzee breeding for scientific purposes.

  • ang

    Reply to Al Mather Dear Al
    “”The first diagnosed and Identified case in the USA was almost 40 years later. That doesn’t mean there weren’t thousands of cases around the world as it spread. “”””””””””””your quote Al???? WHAT CASES WHERE? Why did AIDS never spread anywhere if Africans were infected from eating uncooked chimpanzees around 1920s? No recorded cases, why suddenly did Africans take a liking to uncooked Chimpanzee meat? Bit absurd isnt it?Do tell..
    There were NO CASES outside of Africa and USA until 1985………. Do list who was infected and where? You getting really cross, you replying to an oxymoron, why? Why do you reply to an a person who apparently knows nothing, and you mock as knowing nothing…. You gettin quicker with your replies, why?

  • ang

    Hi Al…..They did testing in Cameroon, WHY CAMEROON? Is Cameroon (Africa) perhaps, where they bred monkeys (oops chimpanzees), and bred them for export to labs in USA? ? or did they actually test vaccines in Cameroon? I dont know, you telling me the story. Anyone can look it up on internet. Anyone anywhere look up Cameroon..AND chimpanzee breeding for scientific purposes.
    And HIV infecting the world for how long? 100 years, suddenly air travel in 1985 spread it to the world? Sorry air travel been around a long time, sailors been around a long time. So your discredited theory, the only transport of this 80 year old disease in Africa, went directly to USA, and no where else? Please explain why?
    Blood transfusions been around a long time.. Suddenly only USA, and Africa infected from a virus that has been around the world for 80 years? You in a dream world dear Al. It went from Africa, and USA, and only spread worlwide after a couple of years, around 1985? first case outside of USA/Africa? You tell me.

    Try harder to discredit me.

  • ang

    Why do you reply Al? If I am so stupid? I await your reply… dont know if I will bother to read it… cause you need to do a whole heap better with your evidence.x

  • ang

    STORY EVERYONE HIV USA, DO A DAMN GROUP LAWSUIT……. There is enough evidence now… sue the government for a vaccine failure… go for it!

  • Al Mather

    Okay back from work…you really don’t comprehend much of what you read do you Ang. No one is saying people ALL caught HIV from eating Chimpanzee flesh. What is surmised..as it has been shown to happen with other Simian virus.. at some point the SIV jumped to hunters or even A hunter who consumed Chimp flesh.. That is where the species jump occurred. They trace it back to and tested in Cameroon because it is known (scientist, epidemiologist, REAL pathologists KNOW stuff) that is where the Chimps are, where they get hunted, where the disease had been spotted!! How simple and yet clever right?.. This hunter or hunters carried the disease. For the disease to linger locally or have lines die off, for a decade or two if existing in a basically monogamous society is not such a stretch. Medicine in the Africa in the 40s and 50s ,I’m guessing, wasn’t what is was in the 70s and 80s USA where it STILL took a while to isolate and understand the nature of the virus.

    “The dominant feature of this first period was silence, for the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) was unknown and transmission was not accompanied by signs or symptoms salient enough to be noticed. While rare, sporadic