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4 Month-Old Infant From Tennessee Passed Away After Given 7 Vaccines

Parents in Memphis, Tennessee, are mourning the loss of their baby girl Ja’Liyah Cortize Turner, after she passed away in her sleep, less than four days after receiving seven vaccines. Her mother Quavia felt pressured into getting her daughter further vaccinated, even though she didn’t want to, because her daughter had a bad reaction from the round of vaccines given to her earlier.

Ja’Liyah’s autopsy report did not mention the vaccines even though she still had the knots on her legs at the injection sites. Her cause of death was ruled “Unknown, Undetermined.” The autopsy stated Ja’Liyah had no significant medical history contributing to her death. Yet, it is very significant Ja’Liyah had just received seven vaccines four days earlier.

Tennessee is ranked third in the nation for having the highest infant mortality rate in the United States. [1] The CDC and vaccine manufacturers admit life-threatening allergic reactions and death can be the outcome of receiving any vaccine. [2] When children are given multiple vaccines during each pediatric visit, like Ja’Liyah was, this can increase their chance of suffering a lethal reaction caused by overstimulation of their undeveloped immune system. [3]

A person’s chance of suffering an adverse vaccine reaction is greater if they carry certain genes that make them more susceptible to vaccine injuries or if they have any underlying illnesses at the time of vaccination. [4]

African-American and some Native American Indian infants suffer from sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) at rates two to three times more than other babies. [5] Ja’Liyah was born from African-American and Native American descent. This ethnic background suggests she had a higher probability of carrying a specific gene associated with an increased risk of injury if she were vaccinated. Her parents were not informed of this information.

 

Susceptible groups occur in all populations. Genetic screening prior to these pediatric visits when numerous vaccines are given should be a top priority. Rather than fund studies to help screen these children before they are vaccinated on schedule, the CDC helped halt efforts to fund more studies to identify these individuals at risk. [6]

The former head of the National Institute of Health (NIH), Dr. Bernadine Healy, stated her concerns about limiting this research because the need to protect children is great, by identifying if they are more vulnerable to vaccine injuries. [7]

Ja’Liyah’s life was taken too soon. Quavia shares with us what life has been like for her family since losing their daughter. She seeks closure to this chapter in her life and wants to inform others about the awful truth that vaccine injuries are being covered up by health officials, to make the vaccines appear safer than they really are.

“We Thought We Were Protecting Her”

Quavia shares what happened to her family:

“When my daughter Ja’Liyah was born on November 29, 2013, she weighed 5 pounds and 6 ounces. She was given the Hep B vaccine soon after birth. I have that on video and it makes me cringe when I see that now.

At her two month check-up, she was given 8 vaccines. They were DTaP, Polio, Hib, Hep B, PCV and the oral Rotavirus vaccine. That was on January 29, 2014. After that appointment, she had a high fever, treated without pain meds because she was too young for that. And she had knots in her legs where they injected her, which I put warm towels on.

I took her to the emergency room and no one led me to believe what these symptoms represented, that any further vaccines could cause worse harm. I was told these were normal reactions and not to worry.

A month and a half later when Ja’Liyah was 3 ½ months old, my milk dried up. I was really upset but had to stop nursing her because of this. We switched her to drinking baby formula.

Then, as unaware as I was, because I listened to the doctor, she was given 7 vaccines at her four month checkup on Monday, April 14, 2014. She was given DTaP, Polio, Hib, PCV and the oral Rotavirus vaccine.”

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“After the doctor’s visit, she was fussy afterwards. She suffered the same reactions as last time. I took her to the emergency room that same night after her shots, because she started running a high fever. They said it was normal and sent us home.

She was not given anything at the hospital and I didn’t give her any pain medication because again, she was too young. Her fever eventually broke.

I was putting warm towels on her legs where they injected her. I kept the bandages on her legs so I would know exactly where to put the warm towels, even though the knots were still present.

A couple days later, she seemed to be doing fine, being her normal self, but she still had the knots from the shots on her legs.

Three days after the vaccines were given to her, on Thursday night, I cooked dinner, we all ate and then played. We were up late, like we normally are. We adapted to Ja’Liyah’s sleeping habits, instead of forcing her to sleep during normal times. At the time, her older brother Duke was 5. He hadn’t started school yet because his birthday is later in the year, so he wasn’t set to start school until August. So it was no bother for him to be up late too.

At about 3 A.M. the kids were up playing. I was like, are you going to go to sleep little girl, she just giggled like she normally did. I was holding her up while she was jumping, like my mom taught her to.

I changed and fed her and put her in bed, she fell asleep. Her brother fell asleep in the same room. We usually co-slept but were trying to teach the kids to sleep in their own beds.

Friday morning at around 7 A.M., I went in there to feed and change her. She took her bottle I brought to her and she smiled. After I finished feeding her, I laid her in the bed next to her brother and she went back to sleep. They were used to sleeping next to each other. Even during the day, she would hardly leave her brother alone if he wasn’t paying attention to her.

That was the last time I saw my love alive …

A little while later, I got up, went in the room and looked in at them, both kids were still soundly sleeping, so I decided I would continue to clean, wash, and pack. We were getting ready to move on Monday, to a bigger place for our growing family. We’d already put the deposit down and had mostly packed up the house.

My son woke up. I checked my phone, called my dad, went to the bathroom, and called my mom.

After that, around 10:22 A.M., I went back in the room and was messing with Ja’Liyah, thinking she would be awake by now. Normally, when I pounce on the bed, she would move, but she didn’t this time.

I rubbed her head and she didn’t embrace my touch. I just stared at her because something didn’t look or feel right to me. I was looking for the stomach going up and down, I saw nothing. I remember just screaming, My Baby Gone, She Gone …

I remember my son Duke screaming. I remember their dad Jarvis coming in, grabbing her, and trying to do CPR. I remember me trying to clean her mouth and nose.

She wasn’t facing me, she was facing the wall. She had what looked like a mixture of thick fluids and a small amount of blood coming from her mouth and nose and even her ears she had stuff coming out of them. I was wiping her while my husband was holding her and doing CPR. We were trying to clean her but it just kept coming out. Both my husband and my shirts were stained.

I called 911. It seemed they took forever to arrive.

When the emergency responders came, they laid my baby on the ground and I flipped out. I remember my dad pulling up. I remember the look on my son’s face and the look on my husband’s face when they told us we could not go with her to the hospital.

She was to ride alone to the hospital, they told us no one was allowed to ride with her.

We sat around waiting. I remember telling Jarvis, baby I gotta go, tell them take whatever they need from me to keep her live, get it from me, she can have whatever from me, and you give her the blood from me. I remember him saying “please no”…

My aunt went to the hospital but they would not let her back there with Ja’Liyah. They said my aunt could go to the hospital, to be with her, which made us think that Ja’Liyah was alive. Only for someone to come tell us, that she didn’t make it. We were so furious.

I remember Jarvis punching bricks off the wall, before I fainted.

My daughter received her 4 month shots on Monday April 14, 2014 and she was gone by early Friday morning April 18, 2014. I honestly didn’t know what caused her death when it happened.

I was not investigated, because it was ruled no foul play. They did however assign a DCFS worker to my family, to make sure we were okay and coping, and to make sure my son was doing okay. Their approach was not all good because when they first called me, the worker asked if my child is safe, referring to my son. As if to say we had something to do with Ja’Liyah’s death and they were looking to place blame and were asking if our son was harmed too.

I wouldn’t tolerate that. I had nothing taken from me, they came and took pictures and asked questions, but that’s about it. Everyone, even people that do not know us, know we are excellent parents to the kids. So they never questioned us like that.

The day after she passed, she had the autopsy done on Saturday morning, April 19, 2014.

I got to see Ja’Liyah on Monday, April 21, 2014, after the funeral home got her and cleaned her body. I asked the Funeral director to see her, I needed to see her, It broke me down to see her like that, they had cotton balls in her nose, and she was darkening.

The medical examiner said my daughter was perfect and he couldn’t find anything, even though she still had the knots on her legs at the injections sites.

Her cause of death was ruled as Unknown, Undetermined. Vaccines she was just given were not mentioned on the autopsy report, her recent emergency room visit was not listed on the report, and her reactions to the vaccines were not listed on the report. Yet Ja’Liyah’s report stated there was no known significant medical history. All of this information was significant but intentionally ignored.”

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“When I spoke with the medical examiner, he walked me thru the entire report. I called down there, and he returned my call. It was hard, because I was crying, and my mind and heart and soul was shattered and in a million places. I was overloaded and completely stressed out.

He explained to me that SIDS is a cover up, like a pacifier to the situation for what is not known. It’s as if she just left, like she just slept off. He said she falls in the SIDS category but SIDS doesn’t exist, it’s just something they tell parents to soothe what they do not know. So her cause of death didn’t read SIDS on the report, it read unknown, undetermined.

I was thinking that she suffocated and choked from what was coming out of her mouth and nose when I found her unresponsive, although she also had the fluid coming out of her ears too.

I was told she did not hurt, did not suffer, she simply just left. There was no internal or external trauma, which made me mad, because it doesn’t tell me anything. He said the fluid and blood coming from her mouth, nose and ears is what happens when the body has shut down.

I asked the medical examiner if he sees a lot of babies, he said that he does see a lot of them, but my daughter was perfect.

Even the funeral home said she was perfect and that she looked like a doll in a box.

One of the funeral directors just came in, rubbed her hair and cried, then had to walk out.

He said he looked at her and knew before touching to examine her, that she was healthy and taken care of. The examination confirmed what he already thought. He said it had been a while since he had seen such a perfect infant.

I kept researching and researching and finally found it. I learned why her shots were not brought up in her autopsy report. I learned it is common for vaccines to be avoided and not reported as the cause of death even though so many babies are dying after getting vaccinated. There are so many parents speaking up telling their story, which is also our story.

Her report read she had no significant medical history. How could that be true when she was just given 7 vaccines? One would think that information is very significant that Ja’Liyah just received 7 vaccines four days earlier.

Looking at the risks to each vaccine Ja’Liyah received, SIDS, death, allergic reactions or anaphylactic shock is listed on each one of these package inserts, along with a long list of other side effects and adverse reactions. Yet the vaccines were not even considered.

He did mention in the report that there was a bandage present on her left thigh, the other one must’ve fallen off before he examined her. And it was noted she had an osteoport on her left leg, which I think is the term used to describe the knot left from the injection.

I felt like it was my fault. After her reactions at two months old, I didn’t want her to get anymore vaccines, period. I felt bullied into it. I questioned the shots because of her previous reactions to them and they were like nothing will happen. I have a friend that does not vaccinate, she told me not to. And my mom is a naturalist, so she was saying not to as well, and to research before, but I didn’t listen.

I thought I was doing the right thing. Where we live in Tennessee, if you don’t vaccinate, they try to deem you unfit. You are made to feel you have no choice what vaccines your child gets and when they get them. They will say you are unfit and try to take your kid away if you decline them. I now know what I can do to get around this.

I truly felt horrible, I felt I went against my better judgement and trusted the doctors over my instincts as a mother.

At one time, I was unsure if I would file a vaccine injury claim. I have been battling with this whole thing. I know I have a proper and valid claim, but I know the money will not bring her back. It will not heal my broken heart or soul. It will not help the hurt I feel. It’s not about the money, it’s not about making somebody pay for what they did, it’s about my baby.

It’s about the fact that my baby did not make it to see her first birthday because of this and it was swept under the rug because we are taught that vaccinations are a way of life and we are supposed to get them.

It’s about people understanding that we have been fed lies. It’s about protecting our babies from being lab rats. It’s about understanding before it happens to your child. It’s about breaking the 1 in 4 statistic. I had nooooo clue about nothing. I thought I was doing the right thing, until that day we lost her.

My reality is each day is a struggle. This is my life now. When I am at her feet, visiting her grave, all I could think about is the fact that she is supposed to be here, and not in the ground. I would do anything just to jump and play with her one more time. Life is not fair. No mother should have to celebrate their baby girl’s first birthday without her being here.

I know she is not alone. There are so many babies up there that this has happened to. One of the reasons I chose not to file the lawsuit is because once we file and win, you are expected to remain silenced. No more fighting. No more talk about what happened to your baby; you cannot disclose details or the amount. This is what I was led to believe after talking to a vaccine injury lawyer.

I woke up to a lifeless baby girl, and a life, heart, and soul forever shattered, forever broken. If they tell me that, if I file, she will be back home and this will all be a dream, I will file right then and there.

Filing a vaccine injury claim to me, I feel it’s an unnecessary headache, its hush money and I have never been the quiet type. How could any parent remain silent about how their baby was murdered by these drugs pushed onto them, despite what the cause of death was reported as. It is clear vaccines are harmful, it is clear what’s in them is hurting our children.

When this first happened, I was so in the dark. I just wanted to go be with my baby, she needed me. I didn’t have anyone who understood what happened, to help our family get answers. I had to find the strength to learn what really happened since the truth was denied to us. It was a struggle reaching out but I knew I couldn’t give up.

When I came forward, it was really hard to answer questions, the details, to look at Ja’Liyah’s shot record, to re-live the worst moments of my life. Since this experience, I have met soooooo many other parents that are on the same path. We help each other and know our babies did not die for nothing.

Now, it’s like Ja’Liyah is telling me, mama, help them, I am good, I am ok. Help them. And I am able to help them through some of this pain. I am able to hold them up and help walk them through this. To let them know they are not alone and neither is their child. That’s payment enough.

I really don’t care what people say anymore. Telling my daughter’s story in its rawest form is me closing this chapter. This is it. I am in my last stages of the grief process. I understand things more clearly now. I accept things for how they are. Getting her headstone placed helped make things final.

It hurts so much that she never got to do anything growing children do. She never even got her first teeth in or was able to take her first steps. She would scoot on the floor till she reached her brother playing video games and was able to bother him till she got his attention. They loved each other so much and were so close. This has been really hard on him. He asks us when he can have another brother or sister.

My son just misses her, he doesn’t understand why other kids have their sister and his is gone and in the ground. Duke is now 6 years old. He was such a loving big brother to her and he misses his baby sister so much. He is healing in his own way. He says she is gone to heaven and he will see her later.

I would like to say to other parents, protect your children from vaccines. You are the person that keeps your children safe, you are their voice. These people don’t care if you lose your baby to vaccines or if they get hurt by them, your baby will be just another case study for them. I have to many what ifs. If only I knew then, what I do now, she would still be here. Now, I share a beautiful picture of Ja’Liyah, she lit up the room with her smile.”

Ja’Liyah’s Pediatrician Admits Several Babies Die In Her Practice Each Year

Quavia had always taken both of her children to the same pediatrician. Her six year-old son Duke received the vaccines on the schedule, up until what happened to his baby sister Ja’Liyah. Duke’s medical history shows he suffered from health problems that are listed as risks on the vaccine package inserts but the connection was not made.

If trusted medical professionals like this pediatrician had informed Quavia that her son’s health problems could likely be associated with the vaccines, as described on the package inserts, she would’ve stopped vaccinating him and she would not have vaccinated her daughter Ja’Liyah, thus saving her life.

Medical professionals need to question what they are taught in medical school. When the material provided is funded from large pharmaceutical companies that have a vested interest for these students to sell their products, further research outside of what is taught in school must be done, if they want to learn the truth.

The truth about vaccine dangers is not being disclosed and pediatricians giving these vaccines, not having done further research, will continue to vaccinate under the guise that these drugs they are injecting and giving orally to their patients will rarely harm them. Vaccine injuries are not rare.

Quavia does not blame the pediatrician for not knowing vaccines can cause such harm.

Ja’Liyah’s pediatrician neither confirmed nor denied the vaccines were the cause of Ja’Liyah’s death. Once told what happened, the pediatrician was in disbelief that the very same child she vaccinated days earlier was no longer alive. She felt sympathetic and said she didn’t know the vaccines could do that.

This has not stopped the doctor from further vaccinating children but has brought upon her a better understanding and has helped her respect a parent’s choice to vaccinate or not. The doctor also admitted she loses at least three infants to SIDS each year, who were once patients in her practice and she never thought this would happen to Ja’Liyah.

Quavia and her husband will never vaccinate their son or future children, after losing their daughter to vaccines. Just because health officials cover up these deaths and avoid any mention of the vaccines on the autopsy report, the most plausible cause of Ja’Liyah’s death, is the vaccines.

Parents Don’t Expect To Plan Their Child’s Funeral After Getting Them Vaccinated

Making baby Ja’Liyah’s funeral arrangements was heartbreaking, difficult and costly. Quavia shares with us a breakdown of costs, to help give insight to further struggles these families face, totaling more than $3100, associated with planning their daughter’s funeral, just days after she was given seven vaccines.

The initial payment to transport Ja’Liyah’s remains from the Medical Examiner’s office to the funeral home was $200.00. The funeral (service, hearse car to take her to the cemetery, casket, vault, makeup and preparation of her remains, family car, use of the facility and obituary) was $695.00. The embalmment service was $200.00. The cemetery plot was $195.00. Her outfit, which included her shoes, dress, bow, socks and jewelry was $40.00. The balloons were $48.00. And Ja’Liyah’s headstone, which her parents paid for in full, was $1795.00.

At the time of Ja’Liyah’s passing, Quavia and Jarvis were planning their wedding, after ten years of togetherness. They had everything planned out and never expected to be planning their daughter’s funeral while planning their wedding. They live a comfortable life and are not struggling financially but at the time Ja’Liyah passed away, they were dealing with some large expenses.

During this same time, the family was getting ready to move and their money saved was used for a down payment for their new place, leaving not enough money to cover such expenses for a funeral. The unexpected funeral costs were paid for through donations from people close to their family. Quavia wanted to say thank you to some people who helped pay for the initial funeral costs, since those responsible are not held accountable and do not cover these expenses.

Quavia sends out a thank you to some dear people, who helped them through this tough time.

“I would like to say thank you to my Uncle and my Husband’s job for helping us so much through this. Normally, most people would be in debt trying to come up with these expenses. Thank you for covering the costs for our daughter’s funeral at a time when we were planning our wedding and a big move. I also wanted to say thank you to Ja’Liyah’s cousin, for making the second obituary and to my Uncle who helped pay for that. That was really thoughtful of you and we will always thank you for doing that for us.”

On Ja’Liyah’s one year angelversary of her death, her headstone was finally able to be placed. For many parents, the placement of the headstone helps in the grieving process.

All parents suffering such a great loss handle things in their own way. For the Turners, they need to move forward, they want closure.

Quavia shares with us,

“We just want to close this chapter. This is the last time I’ll be sharing her story. Ja’Liyah’s death has forever changed me. I am no longer the person I was when this happened. I am a much better person who has had to learn how to do things all over again. My approach to life is very different now. I will not allow negativity in my life anymore. Sharing our story means closure for us.

We are moving past this chapter and have to make a better life for our family. I do hope to have more children, if I can. I want to have more babies and be an even better mom because of what Ja’Liyah’s passing has taught me. I no longer will let myself be affected by things that are not so important. We know what happened and we know the vaccines took our daughter’s life. Accepting her loss was the hardest thing we’ve ever had to deal with. Of course we all have our bad days and still cry over what happened to her. I think of her everyday but know she is ok. I picture her happy and smiling up there. I know she is glad we are telling people what happened to her.

As a family trying to heal, we want to close this chapter. That means we will not be filing a vaccine injury claim, this is not about money, we are not rich but not struggling, this is about our daughter. Filing a claim won’t bring her back and that’s what we’d wish for.”

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Vaccine-Injured Victims Are Raising Needed Awareness

Ja’Liyah is doing more work for us here than most people ever get a chance to do. She is remembered and was honored, on the steps of the California State Capital in Sacramento, California, during a hearing regarding a vaccine bill, SB277, currently being voted on.

Those opposed to this bill understand a parent must reserve the right to opt their child out of vaccination for personal or religious beliefs, because vaccines carry great risk, including death. If SB277 passes, parents in California will have their civil rights violated and their ability to make the best medical choices involving vaccines taken from them, leading to further medical tyranny in the future.

Ja’Liyah radiates light and love. In this image, Ja’Liyah is pictured second from the last picture, on the right. She is raising much-needed awareness about what these vaccines are doing to the world’s children, including what happened to her. Vaccines can harm anyone, adults, too. Parents won’t remain silent anymore.

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Final Words From Ja’Liyah’s Mother

“I want to tell my story to make sure no other parents feel this pain. Any future children will not be vaccinated and Duke is not getting anymore.

I started a page for our daughter, named Dreams of a Beautiful Butta’fly: Ja’Liyah’s Light. I came up with that name just thinking of her, it stuck with me. https://www.facebook.com/ButtaflyaDreams

I miss Ja’Liyah’s bright smile and attitudes. I miss her running the house. I most of all miss her and her brothers relationship. I miss her and her daddy’s bond. I miss dressing her and combing her hair.

She was my love and light. She gave me life and more to look forward to. She was my baby doll.

She was Daddy’s little girl. They had this dance called the jelly belly. It was a must when he came home from work. He could not do anything before they had their dance and play time.

To our baby Ja’Liyah, you brought us all closer. We will always love and remember you. We miss you so much.

Love your mommy and daddy,
Quavia Ectionn’e Turner & LaJarivus Turner”

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Ja’Liyah Cortize Turner

November 29, 2013 – April 18, 2014
Passed away at 4 months old, less than 4 days after receiving 7 vaccines

 

 

References

  1. http://health.state.tn.us/statistics/PdfFiles/IMreport_2014.pdf
  2. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm
  3. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/
  4. http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/06/060202.sids.shtml
  5. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/107/2/437.full.pdf
  6. http://vaxtruth.org/2014/08/how-many-african-american-children…
  7. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-open-question-on-vaccines-and-autism/

 

Disclaimer

Content about these children must be approved by their parent or legal guardian, prior to the article being published. This is to ensure any corrections that need to be made can be corrected before the article is shared. This has been and will always be the case. Information published in these stories, including the people and documents shared, is very real. Material is gathered throughout a lengthy conversation between the author and the parent or legal guardian. We must honor these lives and we thank you for your support and for sharing these stories.

 

  • Mrs Chattles

    This story is just too sad for words. My heartfelt sympathy to the mother and father and family.

  • ang

    RIP little angel/// Heartfelt sympathies to family……. keep fighting for justice. I now look at my sons death ceritificate, after 19 years. I know his death was caused by a drug I took during pregnancy. I told them this, yet it was not listed under “”any other comments”…. or anything. I did a report for the TGA (Australia), after 19 years, I checked, they have no record of it. Fight to get the vaccines listed on the certificates, if you possibly can… hard I know, I was not even able to look at my Stevens death certificate for 19 years.

  • km

    Sadly, vaccine makers have no incentive to change their ways. They make huge profits but are totally protected from lawsuits because Congress granted them immunity in 1986. We the taxpayers are paying for the damages they are causing. Sound familiar? Privatizing profits while socializing risk!! If you want to change this, please sign this petition

    petitions.moveon.org/sign/repeal-immunity-for-drug
    facebook.com/pages/Repeal-The-National-Childhood-Vaccine-Injury-Act-of-1986/693229134132332

    Kindly pass this on to everyone you know. Together, hopefully, we can make a difference!

  • Erwin Alber

    Thanks for this awesome testimony!

    I have disagree with this recommendation:

    “Genetic screening prior to these pediatric visits when numerous vaccines are given should be a top priority.”

    Knowing that numerous vaccines are given at these pediatric visits, these visits should in my opinion be avoided! Instead of introducing genetic screening, the entire vaccine industry should be shut down for good and as a matter of urgency.

    To advocate genetic screening is in my opinion like recommending that children be given a medical examination prior to being sexually abused in order to make sure that the child will be able to cope with the ordeal.

    Vaccination is a symptom of the profoundly sick society we live in. Rather than make vaccination “safer” for children, vaccination should be abolished once and for all. In my opinion, two centuries of this medical fraud and abuse is quite enough!

  • Free People

    Thank you Vactruth for another great article on the truth about VaxINC. Very sad indeed. Another beautiful, innocent angel taken by genocidalist Vaccines INCorpoRATed and quacktricians with their fear-mongering lies.

    Although a very sad and horrible story, and difficult to read without shedding tears, I thank parents like these for coming out with the truth to help others understand what vaxINC is really about. I forward these articles to parents who are still sitting on the fence about vaccines so they can wake up. Call it ‘fear-mongering’ on my part however, these stories are the facts and VaxINC provides only lies for big profits. Thankfully, these articles have changed many parent’s decision on vaccination and this is why we see so many people now waking up to what the real intentions of vaccination are. Read the package inserts: “there have been NO controlled trials” and “safety and effectiveness have NOT been established” – should be enough to say NO to ALL vaccines.

  • Erwin Alber
  • Capt Ron

    Great – Yet another “post hoc ergo propter hoc” logical fallacy! It’s certainly a tragedy that someone loses their infant to any cause but the evidence linking the death to vaccines is just not there.

  • Gary Nd Crystal Vest

    Iwant to hope that a lot of dr’s are ignorant from the lack of information on that subject taught in med school and not doing their own further research on it. Sadly the ones who do know either are doing it for the money and hand outs or afraid of losing their job I feel because of that most of them don’t report vaccine reactions and injuries, and of course the ignorant ones don’t know enough to relate it to the vaccines. My first had many reactions and some mental disorders from his 2 4 and 6 mnt doses so we stopped, and didn’t vaccinate our other 4, and the 4 are much healthietr and stronger immune systems then our first. Parents need to report the reactions themselves to make sure it gets reported and not leave it to the dr’s because they could forget or just purposely not choose to do it. (Crystal)

  • Sciencerules

    Many more babies died in the pre-vaccine and pre-antibiotic era than die now. Infant mortality even in developed countries has not gone to zero. While the death of this child is tragic, and indeed a mystery, there is no reason to believe it was due to vaccines. The child was reported by her own mother to be “back to normal” prior to her sudden death. “Knots” in the legs are evidence of bruising from the IM injections, and nearly all vaccinated children have them.

  • John62

    Will NEVER forget, 3 little boys died from over vax in same clinic which was labeled SIDS… http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2007/dec/22/shot-in-the-dark/

  • Will

    You are so full of SI-I I T I can smell you from here.

    Only a callous, heartless vaccine shill would make such a statement after an innocent baby dies from vaccinations…

    If it wasn’t the vaccines, PLEASE FUGGING ENLIGHTEN US ALL WHAT IT WAS, EINSTEIN !

  • Doctor Jack

    Considering that human beings can only use clean air, clean water, sunshine, rest and sleep, comfortable temperature, physical activity, foods of our biological disposition, love …why would anybody be surprised when humans die from taking in non self materials? They are always poisonous and always cause damage even if the one injected or who has swallowed this toxic swill doesn’t exhibit any symptoms.
    Just in the U.S. along, a couple hundred thousand people a year die from taking in ‘medicines’. So medical care, not to be confused with healthcare, after heart disease and cancer is the third leading cause of death. Sure makes me want to go to a medical school zombie doctorbot…

  • Sciencerules

    Yes, the baby was innocent, and as I said, her death is tragic (look it up, it’s right there). However, simply because a baby (or adult) dies within a time period of an event like a vaccine doesn’t make the vaccine culpable. Correlation does not mean causation. I wouldn’t presume to know why this child died. One possibility is a congenital heart problem, like a long QT syndrome that would cause an arrythmia but no evidence afterwards. There is even a foundation that is working to screen children and adults for this entity. http://www.simonsfund.org/about-us/simons-story/

  • Sciencerules

    Define non-self materials. Define poisons. What are chemicals? Are they always dangerous? Are you made up of chemicals?

  • Linda Hetherington Dotson

    First of all why was she given 7 at the same time?

  • Doctor Jack

    As you should know about The Law of Action… “It’s the living that acts upon the non living”, anything we consume that cannot be biologically converted to blood, brains, brawn and beauty, is a non self material and thus interferes with homeostasis.

  • Kelly Davis VanZile

    It’s so sad to keep reading about these stories & it’s so wrong that these things aren’t seen in the mainstream media. Why the hell does an infant need to be given 7 shots at once, that seems a bit like malpractice to me. My children’s pediatrician has never given more than three at a time, but the more knowledgable I get in regards to the poisoning of our food & the vaccine trigger, I’d rather no more, but they really shouldn’t do more than 1 at a time.

  • Sciencerules

    That’s gibberish. What’s “The Law of Action”? Are you talking about thermodynamics? Where does salt fit in your model? How about metals? Fiber? Should you be wearing clothes?

  • Sciencerules

    It’s an exaggeration. Many vaccines are combined into one shot. Anyway, there are 1000s more antigens in a single piece of food than the series of vaccines given to children at any visit. When a kid gets a scrape on their leg, thousands more bacterial and other antigens penetrate the skin at that moment. Again, 1000s > a few antigens in vaccines. The numbers are irrelevant.

  • Capt Ron

    Top 10 causes of infant mortality in the United States from CDC’s National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 58, No. 19, May 20, 2010:

    1. Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities (congenital malformations)
    2. Disorders related to short gestation and low birth weight, not elsewhere classified (low birth weight)
    3. Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS)
    4. Newborn affected by maternal complications of pregnancy (maternal complications)
    5. Accidents (unintentional injuries)
    6. Newborn affected by complications of placenta, cord and membranes (cord and placental complications)
    7. Bacterial sepsis of newborn
    8. Respiratory distress of newborn
    9. Diseases of the circulatory system
    10. Neonatal hemorrhage

    How soon before the uninformed start blaming all of these conditions on vaccines?! Or Roundup!

    The overall most significant correlating factors driving infant mortality are socioeconomic status and availability of quality health care. The European countries used for comparisons to the USA are more socioeconomically heterogeneous and have excellent public healthcare systems.

  • K Dana Shallcross

    I’m not anti-vaccine, so let’s get that out of the way. But Sciencerules, when you say “correlation does not equal causation” do you realize that is how vaccines are measured? There has NEVER been a long term double blind study with a control group on vaccines vs non-vaccines. Everything regarding vaccines is done by correlation. You’re being completely disingenuous if you’re going to assume that this child did NOT die from vaccines. There is a down side to them, especially in children with certain genetic markers. There’s an up side to the “biggies” and the fact that ‘herd immunity” is being lost because people are not getting lifelong immunity from the lesser ones such as measles, chicken pox, mumps. Adults are NOT getting their titration levels checked every 2 years. Most adults believe they are immune from a shot they got 10 years ago.

    Again, you’re being disingenuous if you’re only peddling one POV, and using the correlation is not causation when it suits your argument.

  • Sciencerules
  • Sciencerules

    Awesome post. More compelling is the same list from the pre-vaccine era. There you’ll find that pneumonia, meningitis, sepsis and viral diseases near the very top. Those are (nearly) gone now.

  • K Dana Shallcross

    Show me the LONG TERM DOUBLE BLIND study on Polio vaccine with two control groups. Or the one for Measles? Mumps? The ones done on citizens of developed countries, not undeveloped ones.

  • Sciencerules

    Shifting the goal posts are we? There have been ample double blind studies in developed countries showing efficacy. I’m sure that as soon as I provide studies, you will counter with, “now show me the long-term, double blind studies of combined vaccines”… And so on. Vaccines work. Period.

  • Capt Ron

    Reviewing my previous post… I should have said socioeconomic homogeneity in EU countries.

    Another thing – I saw mention in this article that Tennessee has a high infant mortality rate and then there’s a weak attempt to correlate that with vaccinations. So… I don’t have time to dig this up but I do wonder what’s the infant mortality rate for Mississippi and West Virginia which have the tightest regulations regarding exemptions and thus, interpolating, very high vaccination rates?

  • K Dana Shallcross

    It’s not shifting the goal posts. You supplied 4 studies of double blind on developing countries. The reason you can’t supply the others is because the data they use is correlation and causation for polio, measles, chicken pox, etc. My years in pharma research may be long gone, and there were many good people who wanted the studies to do well and then there were people like you, the people who refused to see the nuances of the studies. There is no long term double blind studies on the efficacy and safety of the major jabs that kids get today. There also has not been a drive to get adults to test for titration or even for children to get tested often. If you can’t meet people in the middle, then you’re just a talking head for a system that is not working as well as they advertise.

  • Actual science

    I think any sane, scientific person would assume by placebo, a BENIGN placebo is used, That’s the whole point of a placebo, no?! But this is not the case in vaccine science, they test one vaccine against the other! Its like Tobacco companies deeming a Marlboro safe because no more babies were killed smoking them than when they tested against a placebo (Camel) in safety tests. No science involved at all, just smoke and mirrors and lots and lots of dollars and death

  • Doctor Jack

    Obviously you’ve never studied human physiology.
    It’s also obvious you’re a medicine troll.
    Goodbye

  • Actual science

    How do you explain US being the most vaccinated ‘developed’ country and having the worst infant death rates? And the least vaccinated countries having the best infant mortality rates? Vaccines are not saving our children, they are killing them!

  • Doctor Jack

    Will, this guy is a pharma troll. If it looks like a troll, walks like a troll and talks like a troll, it’s a troll. Don’t waste any more of your time.

  • 441019

    When a child dies after vaccinations, the cause of death is usually written as “SIDS” on the death certificate–which actually means nothing except that the child suddenly died. It is always assumed that vaccines had nothing to do with it, and the fact that a child died after being vaccinated is considered a coincidence.

    I have read the book “Every Second Child” by Dr. Archie Kalokerinos (hope I spelled that right). He was a doctor who took care of aborigines in Australia. He wondered why there was such a high rate of infant death, and at some point, he realized that many deaths would occur after there had been a vaccination campaign. Health workers would come in and vaccinate all the babies, whether or not they were sick or well, and then leave. The aborigines had a very poor diet, lacking in fresh fruit and vegetables, and therefore lacking in vitamin C. Dr. K. discovered that if he administered an injection of vitamin C to a dying child, the child would miraculously recover. He decided that children were dying from infantile scurvy–the vaccines that were given were causing their bodies to use up what little Vitamin C they had, and resulting in scurvy. When he reported his findings to the medical community, he was ignored.

  • Sciencerules

    Why do you say “long term”? The vaccines are, by design, meant to protect primarily children during the most vulnerable periods of life.
    So, the polio trials from the 1954 surely qualify.
    There were two cohorts, one in which there was a placebo and another in which a group was “observed”, which wouldn’t pass muster today. Nonetheless, this was a massive trial in the USA. I should add that on the basis of this and the Sabin trials, many of which were done in Russia, polio was eradicated from the USA! Hurray for science!

    http://www.bmj.com/content/317/7167/1233.long
    http://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/1/7.long

    Here’s a trial for measles, also from >50 years ago. They used a “killed virus” as the control, which isn’t quite a placebo but actually would be closer to an actual vaccine. Nonetheless, in the Philadelphia area vaccinated children had a significant reduction in measles. This result has been verified extensively where measles is endemic (i.e. underdeveloped countries).
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1522574/?page=8

  • Actual science

    How awesome is that list of SIDS/Crib death from the Pre-vaccine era??? What?! You can’t find any statistics on SIDS/Crib death pre mass vaccination? How strange! Actual science might suggest this would merit further study….

  • Sciencerules

    Um, wrong. Most of the original placebo trials in vaccines were done with placebos. Now medical ethics precludes placebo controlled trials when there is clear benefit. So, new vaccines are added to old ones, since we know the old ones work.

  • Sciencerules

    I’m a scientist and infectious diseases doctor with zero ties to pharma. I just happen to be sane, as compared to the majority of the writers on this site.

  • Actual science

    Lol at “isn’t quite a placebo” !!! That’s vaccine science for you, fallen at the first hurdle!

  • Doctor Jack

    If you’re not totally anti vaccine, you should be K Dana. It’s a man-made concept that has no basis in reality from its very inception. It’s always the wrong thing to do. . . ALWAYS, NO EXCEPTIONS. I KNOW I’M CORRECT ON THIS AS IT’S SO BASIC IF YOU’VE STUDIED HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY THAT IT’S NOT EVEN WORTH SPENDING MUCH TIME ON. SO CALLED COW-ZINES ARE A JOKE. VACA MEANS ‘COW’ IN SPANISH. SO WHAT ARE COWZINES? AN EVIL PRACTICE!

  • AutismDad

    $$$$ That’s all that matters to vaxxers. This child dies and all you’ll hear is NEXT!!

  • Actual science

    Why don’t you do us all a favour then, and have a 10000 in one shot if the numbers are irrelevant??! Can’t believe the amount of rot you talk!

  • AutismDad

    Can’t read? Says CAUSE UNKNOWN. That fancy education you claim you have isn’t very impressive.

  • AutismDad

    Just like when parents claim their child was never the same after a series of vaccines, …ignored

  • AutismDad

    Capt Ron will say its a coincidence. He has a fancy education, so he can make the call.

  • AutismDad

    A scraped knee isn’t injected.

  • Actual science

    How was I wrong? You just admitted that they test vaccine against vaccine. Hilarious that you would think Pharmaceutical companies cannot test against a benign placebo because of ETHICS! Gullible much? They are known the world over for their incredible ethics aren’t they?! Fake science and lies.

  • AutismDad

    Are you that clueless? You know what he means.

  • AutismDad

    He is a Troll, good call

  • Sciencerules

    You’d rather have an infant in an underdeveloped third world African country? Be my guest.
    Yet, let me save you the time. Here’s the summary of data from the WHO. http://www.who.int/gho/child_health/mortality/neonatal_infant_text/en/

    Here’s a summary of the relatively low vaccination rate in Africa.
    http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/85/6/06-031526/en/

    And here’s just a simple graph comparing infant (boy, 1-4 years) mortality from pneumonia comparing South Africa and the USA. South Africa is relatively affluent compared to other African countries for which there is no data. You will see the big difference between the countries.
    http://apps.who.int/healthinfo/statistics/mortality/whodpms/linecharts/lc.php?w=2560&h=1440

    Pneumonia is a preventable disease by the Hib and Pneumovax vaccines. Better use of these vaccines would save hundreds of thousands of lives worldwide.

  • Actual science

    Lol. A joker is what you are. And a really sick one at that.

  • AutismDad

    And smells like crap

  • Doctor Jack

    OK infectious disease doctor. What does infection mean? What does disease mean? And what does doctor mean?

  • AutismDad

    fraud. The great Pretender

  • Sciencerules

    This was a study from the 1960s. Study design was chosen by the scientists at the time. There have been plenty of measles vaccine trials with placebos (see above), but your colleague in stupidity, Dana Shallcross, demanded studies from the USA. That you are alive today is likely a testament to vaccines and antibiotics. Give thanks.

  • AutismDad

    Blah blah “I wouldn’t presume” but label it correlation.

  • AutismDad

    Trash science.

  • AutismDad

    Lame. Way to back down

  • Doctor Jack

    Yep, looks, talks, smells, he’s a troll…

  • Sciencerules

    Is this some sort of joke? What kind of “doctor” are you? An active infection occurs when the body’s immune system is (usually temporarily, but not always), overcome by another, non-human organism such as a bacteria, virus, parasite or yeast. This can occur locally, involving one organ like the skin, eye or bladder, or can be systemic, involving multiple organs and/or the blood. That is to discriminate from the many commensal organisms that we share our bodies with, that generally cause us no harm and provide some benefit. Your turn.

  • Actual science

    You’re not answering the question, I said so-called ‘DEVELOPED’ countries! USA has most vaccines on schedule (of 34 other comparable developed nations) and Worst IMR (Infant Mortality Rates). Countries with the least vaccines on schedule have best IMR. vaccines are killing our children not saving them.

  • AutismDad

    And who benefits? Oh yea vaccine makers who don’t have to do proper safety studies. Is it just me or does that not get us to where we discuss the maiming and killing of babies from poorly or untested vaccines?

  • Sciencerules

    There is no “law of action” in human physiology. Please educate me oh wise “Doctor Jack”.

  • AutismDad

    Oh look the ENERGIZER TROLL

  • AutismDad

    Credibility ZERO

  • Sciencerules

    I will. You people don’t have a clue about immunology, microbiology, virology or medicine, yet you pretend to be experts. There is no difference between a subcutaneous inoculation of an antigen and the same inoculation by a scrape. In fact, the small pox vaccine was inoculated by scraping the skin, much in the way a child might scrape their knee. Perhaps you should go to school for 15 years, then come back for a “debate”.

  • Sciencerules

    Where is your proof? Provide it as I have. Most of the European countries has even higher vaccine rates. Our infant mortality has more to do with wealth inequality and poverty than vaccination.

  • Sciencerules

    No. A dead child is one that can’t get more vaccines or drugs. What a waste. Note the sarcasm. You’re a joke.

  • Sciencerules

    Yes, because parents are the arbiters of science.

  • Sciencerules

    Right. Multiple randomized control studies conducted by expert scientists around the world is “trash science”. What isn’t trash science? Let me guess, Andrew Wakefield and his invented paper with fake patients and an ulterior motive to sell his own vaccine.

  • AutismDad

    Were you there TROLL?

  • Sciencerules

    I’m the only one providing verifiable facts. None of you have even a shred of data, so therefore, your comments are worthless.

  • Actual science

    You will? When?

  • Doctor Jack

    What is immune system? Where is it? I know where the cardiovascular system is, the musculoskeletal system is, the nervous system, the respiratory system but where is the immune system you’re referring to? By using that phrase, are you implying that humans are immune to substances and things that are not a part of the human body and if so, give us all examples of what some of those substances and things are that we are immune to.

  • Sciencerules

    You’re some sort of genius, I presume, what with your ad hominem attacks and lack of scientific understanding.

  • AutismDad

    New babies each year, plus they target seniors for over vaccination too. The joke is you and your blind faith. How much does trolling for Pharma pay?

  • Actual science

    How much did they pay for your soul sciencerules? Shame on you!

  • Sciencerules

    Do you even know how experiments are performed? Back then that was considered a real control. More recently, surgeons have done actual mock surgeries (fake knee replacements, fake cardiac surgeries) so that they can get as close as possible to the real procedure without doing it. It would be a lot easier to just randomize a patient to surgery versus nothing, but that’s not blinded in any way. If sham surgery is “ok”, so is a sham injection.

  • Actual science

    Can anyone find any statistics on SIDS/Cot death before the mass-vaccination era?

  • Sciencerules

    You’re trolling me, I know. The immune system has multiple components, most famously separated by the terms adaptive versus innate. Innate cells respond to immediate triggers, like bacterial growth in a sterile site. So, when you get an abscess, that’s full of neutrophils, macrophages and other cells. Their goal is primarily to kill pathogens immediately. The other half, the adaptive system, responds to new antigens after birth. Thus, once you are exposed to a virus like varicella (chicken pox), your B-cells and T-cells have a memory for that pathogen. Likewise, once you are exposed to certain antigens, say, the polysaccharide capsule of pneumococcus, your antibodies will protect you from subsequent infection from the same serotype.

  • Sciencerules

    As soon as you stop trolling this board.

  • Sciencerules

    I happen to know science, in contrast to you two. I protect children and adults by recommending life saving measures. I’m actively developing a tuberculosis vaccine in my lab, that I hope one day to save millions of lives. My soul is doing just fine, thank you very much.

  • AutismDad

    Can’t sell a soul you don’t have.

  • Sciencerules

    As soon as you “lose immunity”, say by losing your T-cells via HIV, you die from infection. If you develop certain cancers, independent of whether you take treatment or not, your immunity wanes and you develop infections. At this point in your life, you are undoubtedly immune to many antigens that you didn’t experience as a newborn. That’s an undeniable fact.

  • AutismDad

    Scary.

  • Sciencerules

    Hahahahahah. Now you clearly are trolling. Nice job.

  • AutismDad

    What other names do you post under PARROT?

  • Actual science

    Dream on ! Knew you were full of it!

  • Capt Ron

    I’ll explain it to you… Correlating vaccination frequency with a higher infant mortality rate is groundless. And attempting to compare the other “developed” countries that are ahead of the USA in infant mortality rate is “apples to oranges” with multiple factors:

    -> You can’t really say “least vaccinated” for any of the countries ahead of the USA – They may have fewer vaccines in their recommended schedule but not by a significant number.

    -> Most ahead of the USA are EU countries with excellent quality free national health care programs and facilities while the USA is a patchwork quilt of health care quality and availability. This is especially evident for poor the health care availability/quality for our lower economic groups.

    -> The EU countries have a much higher overall socioeconomic profile and homogeneity while the USA has a broader profile with a larger poverty level element. Poverty has a definite correlation with infant mortality.

    -> EU countries are an unequal comparison with how they evaluate and enumerate infant deaths. The USA uses broader definitions and any sign of life and any weight is counted as a live birth. Some EU countries do not count a death unless the infant survives at least 24 hours. Some EU countries do not count premature infants who die under a certain weight. Others restrict counting by birth length. It’s no wonder the USA reports higher infant mortality – We use a different formula! When adjusted for USA criteria, the EU countries show now no better infant mortality rates than we do.

    -> Lastly, the majority of infant deaths recorded in the USA are peri-natal, which means they occur soon after birth. This is BEFORE the infants receive vaccinations. The most common reasons for counted infant deaths are premature birth, complications during the delivery process (umbilical cord, transverse & breech presentations), low birth weight and congenital issues.

  • AutismDad

    We don’t buy your veritfiable facts. Its obvious why you are here Pharma Bot.

  • AutismDad

    Outed as a Pharma BOT

  • Actual science

    Lol! You must think the rest of us are as gullible as you! You are developing a vaccine in your lab but just troll in your spare time. Doh! Must be putting a lot of effort into that TB vaccine ha ha! I’m actually beginning to like you sciencerules, anyone that makes me laugh is ok with me!

  • Actual science

    p.s can you answer my question at the top on SIDS statistics pre-vaccine era, or is it causing you trouble? I am only interested in statistics pre-1950’s. I’m waiting…..

  • Sciencerules

    I’m pretty smart. Plus, I have graduate students and post-docs. Our final mouse experiment is happening over the next 6 months, so we should know if it works. I’ll keep you posted.
    Also, I consider educating the masses part of my duty, so there’s that.

  • Sciencerules

    I’m really tiring of this. Of all the people here, only me and Dr Ron have provided verifiable data, over and over again.

  • Sciencerules

    How, exactly? Is Wakefield your god? Please, show me your version of non-trash science. I’m totally serious.

  • Capt Ron

    I answered the question above. How I love discussions of biostatistical analysis!!!!!!!

  • Sciencerules

    So if you don’t “buy verifiable facts”, what do you “buy”? Is it only results that coincide with your worldview, were they to exist? How large, how randomized a study would you need to be convinced? Would any study ever convince you? If the answer is no, you should look in the mirror.

  • Sciencerules

    This is me. I’m a scientist, not a parrot. Does autism dad mean you have a child with autism or you struggle with it yourself, because the repetition suggests the later.

  • Sciencerules

    It’s amazing that every single fact provided is either twisted or ignored. It’s a sad state of affairs in this country that science and math education is so lacking.

  • Actual science

    What age are you, about 13? I can’t believe an adult could come out with these nuggets. If so, good luck with puberty, and research that HPV vaccine before it puts you in a wheelchair, wont you!

  • Sciencerules

    I’m 43. I am highly educated, with both a PhD and MD with a BS in chemistry. I’m fairly certain that is significantly more than you lot.

  • Actual science

    Japan’s not in the EU! What a fud!

  • AutismDad

    AWK AWK….want a cracker?

  • Actual science

    Also, in reply to your last, and only point still relevant (after EU rubbish) I think you’ll find pregnant mothers get vaccines now too in US don’t they? What about HepB at birth? And Vit K? Aren’t these given immediately after birth in US?

  • AutismDad

    How will looking in the mirror help? Is that some new science thing? How many out of court vaccine settlements ended with vaccine makers looking in the mirror?

  • AutismDad

    So Troll. Wakefield again.

  • Sciencerules

    Some pregnant mothers get vaccines, like for whooping cough. HepB and VitK are given immediately after birth. Hepatitis B would not be expected to affect infant mortality as it is a longer term protection (against hepatitis, cirrhosis and liver cancer). Vitamin K serves other purposes. What’s your point? You think one vaccine, HepB, will have some sort of major effect?

  • Sciencerules

    Good answer. Show me your non-trash science. I’m waiting……….

  • Sciencerules

    You really don’t know how a “debate” actually functions, do you? You state that you “don’t buy facts”. That outs you as a nutjob, like when the Republicans say things like “I’m not a scientist, but, believe me when I discuss evolution or climate science.”

  • Actual science

    What a joker! :D If you had made one factual or scientific point in any one of your comments I might have believed you. Good luck with your life-saving vaccine ;) and puberty.

  • Sciencerules

    There’s a medicine for that. Given your psychosis, I suggest Risperadol or Zyprexa.

  • Sciencerules

    I think you need to search the thread and seek out every one of my comments. They are all medical, scientific and factually correct. You could even, gasp, do some of your own research to see that I am right.

  • AutismDad

    What school did you attend Troll State, University of Southern Troll? Are you like Jehovah Wittnesses who have to spread the word to get into heaven? Ok genius find this for me. A country or state with high vaccine uptake yet little autism and without number still increasing.

  • AutismDad

    Been there done that. Not any more, not for some snotty self-annointed genius. I already know the drill.

  • AutismDad

    You seem deluded. Your a scientist so you are the knowledge God?

  • Seabreezes1

    It shouldn’t be a vaccinate or not vaccinate question. It should be about quality vaccinations on a responsible schedule that take into consideration risk factors of the individual child. I didn’t get the smallpox vaccination until I was 17 because of my allergies and health. Constantly needed notes for school, but it was the responsible thing to do.

    However, the integrity of those pushing for multiple vaccinations during infancy regardless of obvious signs of allergic reactions and genetic risk factors is in question. See: https://sharylattkisson.com/government-wipes-recent-vaccine-injury-data-from-website/

  • teach62

    Bottom line ,Science rules, is the fact that the U.S. Government has 100s of millions of dollars has been put in an account for the purpose of vaccine injuries ,becoming a statement to the public that vaccines are dangerous and can kill you. If vaccines were good for you they’re would be NO need to have a federal vaccine injury program! Stopped vaccinating my children 17 years ago best decision I ever made. We will take our chances with the diseases it’s safer!

  • Ruth

    The validity of many things are suspect including the ‘one size fits all’ and internationalist medical model. I would recommend everyone take a look at these set of lectures on youtube by Suzanne Humphries:

    Actually, I don’t seem to be able to copy and paste here. It’s long past the time that people should be questioning what vaccines are actually doing, along with GMOs too.

  • onyormark

    Show the “studies” to back up your dubious assertion that “our infant mortality has more to do with wealth inequality and poverty than vaccination.”

  • dcsloan
  • onyormark

    “I happen to know science,…” – Sciencerules
    Yes, the integrity compromising Big/Gov’t – Big/Pharma version of science. Must be nice. Congratulations!

  • Dr. Suzanne Humphries has a great set of videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL8srdLw4c0) on breast feeding to be used as immune support. I do recognize that in the US we do NOT support breastfeeding mothers as they do in Europe, where they often have six months off just to care for their children. We need to help create better bonding/breastfeeding time legislation for mothers! Then you could eliminate the perceived need for vaccines. Less children would die, and/or have permanent disabilities.

  • Doctor Jack

    I am totally convinced that you went to a medicine oriented school by your comments so that I absolutely believe. It’s just a shame that what they teach does not get questioned by the students – that you just innocently accept and believe everything they are indoctrinating you to believe. Unfortunately, you’ve learned a lot of “science” that just simply has no basis in reality. It sounds convincing to those who have no reference points but like one of my professors was wont to say, “What’s the use of knowing so much if what you know ain’t so.”
    So you believe that a hundred trillion cell organism under the master control of a highly sophisticated brain and nervous system where all cells are working together in organization with each other, to insure survival, all for one and one for all, that a simple celled organism that has no mechanism of working in conjunction with other similar simple celled organisms, can to use your word, ‘overcome’ the human organism? And you actually believed that when it was taught to you and you still do? Do you remember when the U.S. invaded the island nation of Grenada under Reagan? So what you’re saying is that Grenada could have defeated the United States military had it wanted to, according to your logic. That’s what you’re saying about simple celled organisms – that they can “overcome” and cause “infections” implying that medical treatments are needed like the nonsense so called vaccine you mentioned you’re working on for tuberculosis. Dude, a lifetime is a terrible thing to waste. You should be doing something useful with your life like bussing tables in a restaurant or something cause you’re sure not doing anything that even remotely has any socially redeeming value. You’ve been had and so has anybody that’s relied on your “scientific” knowledge and educational background. You should demand your tuition back. I know one MD that did that after graduating from medicine school and refused to poison cancer patients with drugs and radiation and they actually did give him several hundred thousand dollars and he turned in his medical license and he went on to be highly successful in a totally unrelated field. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Sorry to have to tell you this but you’ve been had sir.

  • Lord Szolnok

    Long time lurker… First time poster!

    Sciencerules: This is hilarious but not for you, I imagine — Where else can you go and always be insulted for your professional accumen?!

  • guest

    Until it is proven that vaccines work and are safe and effective, they should not be given. There is no point in giving infants up to a year any vaccines as they maintain protection from the mother’s antibodies. Well baby visits are just opportunities for vaccination. There are NO justifiable reasons to vaccinate children under 1 year and until there is an Independent double blind place controlled study that confirms vaccines work and are safe- not one should be given.

    -A PhD immunologist declined to be identified after she had revealed
    shocking information in panel of experts discussing vaccines.
    http://gaetacommunications (dot) com/site/?page_id=325
    Here’s the audio: http://gaetacommunications (dot) com/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/NWNPC-Excerpt-3-2-4-6-month-visits-just-to-train-parents-edit-7-11.mp3. Over the last couple of years it has worked on and off. Don’t know what the issue is. From transcript:

    Q. So the science seems fairly clear that for the first year of
    life, probably, that the immunization is not stimulating the kind of
    response we expect it to stimulate.

    A. True.
    Q. So what’s the rationale for continuing to do that if it’s not doing what it’s supposed to be [doing]?

    A. The vaccines are given at pediatric wellness visits, and the idea is that you are training the parent to bring their child in at all the pediatric wellness visits, and that it’s only the year visit that actually is truly important. But that for most parents you are not going to get them to bring their kid in if they don’t come in at two months, four months, and six months. And so it’s actually more of a training thing.

    It’s interesting, I was on the phone with [?]county public health last week, with one of their vaccine nurses. She was like, ‘Oh, you’re talking about vaccines? Make sure you tell them they have to do that year shot because the first three [the 2, 4 and 6month shots] don’t work.’ I was like, ‘Yeah, I know.’ [laughter].

    What’s interesting about this individual, is that she is an impeccably-credentialed, pro-vaccine PhD immunologist. She understands the immune system of the human body at one of the highest levels of education. Like her, there are thousands of specialists who do not believe in vaccines, yet they must play a role or risk losing their jobs.

    Commenting on the outcome of this discussion, Dr. Bob Sears stated “I agree that the general medical teaching on immunology is that infants don’t have much of their own immune system during the first year of life, and they rely heavily on the immunity they gain from mom through the placenta and from breast milk.”
    http://preventdisease (dot) com/news/14/111014_Pro-Vaccine-Immunologist-Admits-No-Scientific-Merit-For-Vaccinating-Infants.shtml

  • Doctor Jack

    I don’t understand your grammatical structure. What do you mean by “get an abscess”? What is an abscess and how do you “get an abscess”? What is the actual mechanism by which one “gets an abscess”? Explain please.

    Also define ‘virus’. What is ‘virus’? Why did the world not hear about ‘viruses’ until the 1970s? Up until then we were “taught” that we got sick from bacteria but virus was never mentioned and then all of a sudden, we had all these viral diseases. Did someone turn over a rock and unleash viruses upon the world or did someone have sex with a green monkey and then spread this virus thing to others they had sex with or what? What is this very tiny something called virus?

    Also what is a “chicken pox virus” and is that also something someone “gets” and if so, from whence does it come? Is that also from having sex with a chicken or what? Is this a thinggy that’s just floating around in the air that just happens to find entrance to one of your bodily orifices or what? What is the mode of transmission that you believed when you were taught this in medicine school and, apparently, still believe?

  • Sciencerules

    Pray tell, what “medical school” did you go to? What you fail to understand about me is that I, indeed, question everything. Microbiology is a modern field, started by Luis Pasteur and Robert Koch. Everything we understand about viruses, bacteria, parasites and molds started once they advanced the germ theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease) and Koch’s postulates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%27s_postulates), which can be proven, unlike what I assume to be your homeopathic or Eastern or whatever theory.

    Regarding how bacteria can overcome host defenses, they have many tricks, including hiding from the immune system (phase variation), causing a massive immune reaction (superantigens), secreting virulence factors (cholera toxin) and killing immune cells (HIV). You might be enlightened to learn that bacteria can indeed communicate with each other by a variety of mechanisms. One classic example is called quorum sensing, whereby bacteria signal population density and coordinate their gene expression. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum_sensing

    But why bother listening to me. I’m talking about science, the kind with testable hypotheses,and verifiable data via actual experimentation. I’m sure you “know better” than I do and that your “law of action”, whatever that may be is very much real. Now will you realign my chakras?

  • Sciencerules

    I have nothing to do with “big pharma”. Zero, zilch. They don’t pay me a dime. I simply use my head and follow the science. Is the Earth flat?

  • Sciencerules

    You will make Darwin proud.

  • Sciencerules

    Is this meant as a compliment or insult? I can’t tell. If it’s a compliment, thanks.
    But to answer your question, I really don’t mind. The only thing the uneducated can do is toss around insults and ad hominems. What they lack in knowledge they make up for in ridiculous statements, insults, and ALL CAPS!!!! Lots of random buzz words like Big Pharma etc. My hope is that perhaps someone might learn something from the discussion. That’s why I try to provide links. I don’t really love wikipedia but a lot of the primary papers I have access to are behind firewalls and so I must use what I can.

  • Sciencerules

    Abscess. http://bfy.tw/ACW
    Virus. http://bfy.tw/ACT
    Varicella. http://bfy.tw/ACY

    See, was that so hard?

  • Your tuberculosis vaccine will do nothing to save lives, you blind pompous fool. It stands to devastate millions. I will start now and continue to pray that you are unable to produce it. Start testing it on yourself right away and hopefully, for the sake of the innocent, you will have such a bad reaction you will not be able to continue your Frankenmedicine.

  • I agree teach62. Once you start to discover the truth about vaccines and research the history, such as told in “The Poisoned Needle” by Eleanor McBean, Ph.D., it’s insane to continue this barbaric practice. I stopped vaccinating 25 years ago and I have 2 healthy adult children and 1 grandchild who will never be injected with poison.

  • Sciencerules

    Devastate? Really? There are 8 million cases of tuberculosis every year. 1.5 million people die from TB annually. If a legitimate vaccine could be developed, and I have my doubts, then it would be a milestone on par with the polio and smallpox vaccines.

    Funny how you will “pray” that we “cannot produce it”. How very sanctimonious and arrogant of you. Do you think a benevolent deity would favor your prayer so that millions could die? You need to rethink your priorities. Also, fwiw, prayer won’t work.

  • “Me and Doctor Ron?” Where did you learn English grammar? I don’t believe you are a scientist at all and your science is not verifiable. Anyone can give themselves a handle to pretend to have more credibility. But you haven’t actually disclosed a name that anyone could verify. I am not afraid to use my real name. Anyone who has taken a stats course knows that you can manipulate statistics to say whatever you want them to say, by changing the level of significance and leaving out certain age groups or geographical groups. In other words, you can “design” your study to suit the outcome you desire. It happens all the time.

  • AutismDad

    So to you its the same as scraping the skin? Stay the hell away from our children.

  • But no English grammar credit, right? I believe you mean you have a BSc in Chemistry. BS is less formal way of putting it. But for you, stick with BS -Piled High and Dryl!!!!!

  • Sciencerules

    Wow. I make one grammatical mistake and that’s the best you can do? You attack studies by claiming that they have all been somehow manipulated? Where is your proof that the data was manipulated? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    Look around. What happened to small pox? Where did it go? What about polio? What about measles (for the most part)? What about invasive pneumococcal, haemophilus and meningococcal disease? Where did they all go? You don’t need a statistics course to know that smallpox and polio were eradicated because of vaccination. Infant mortality has declined significantly owing to medical care, including better obstetric care but also early use of vaccines to prevent severe infections in childhood (like pneumonia and meningitis).

  • Exactly.

  • AutismDad
  • But Ron, the healthiest kids are the unvaccinated ones! Most allergies and asthma occur in vaccinated kids.

  • Doctor Jack

    Your problem is that you don’t know what disease is and thus anything that builds on your false learning from there, would be like trying to construct a building over a swamp.
    Indeed you have learned medical science and it definitely is medical science but it’s not real science. And I too, know that all the other alternative health practitioners have no more validity than medical physcians, homeopaths, naturopaths, Chinese medicine, acupuncture, chiropractic, etc. They thing disease is a thing you treat also. It is if you’ve had an accident, injuries, emergency, birth defect or need some valid corrective surgery but that’s not what we’re discussing here. If two people came to us with essentially the same health concerns, my patient’s recovery would be far superior to your’s and all without any treatments. That would have to be the final arbiter of who has the best argument here. It is you sir wearing the tinfoil hat, not I.

  • Sciencerules

    No. It’s B.S. Bachelor of Science. I won’t apologize for being formally educated in a way that provides value to society. It’s also M.D. and Ph.D. It’s also going to one of the most prestigious medical residencies in the world and specializing in Infectious Diseases. I matriculated in 1989 for my B.S. with honors in Chemistry, and finally started my own lab in 2011. That’s 22 years (I know, math is probably not your strong suit) of education and training. That’s more that all of you naysayers combined.

  • Sciencerules

    Genius you are. Really.

  • Sciencerules

    Prove it.

  • Many babies have had severe reactions to the HepB shot at birth. It’s ludicrous to assume every mother has HepB. Giving that shot to a newborn is more likely to damage their liver!

  • Sciencerules

    Ok. Tell me. How would you prove, definitively, that your treatment, is superior? I’m curious. Let’s pretend for the moment that we are dealing with severe pneumonia, which I would call a pulmonary infection most likely caused by Streptococcus pneumonia. I know what my treatment would be, antibiotics, fluids, maybe oxygen and other measures. What would you do?

    And I’m ready to be swayed. I want to see your therapy in action but I would like to know that it is effective. How would you prove it to me? Would you conduct an experiment? What kind of experiment? How would you analyze the results? Would you even bother?

  • Sciencerules

    Wrong.

  • guest

    What does this prove? Nothing. There is not a medical examiner alive that would document a babies death as vaccine associated even if the child died right in front of them so the CDC National Vital Statics Reports record what they are sent by the ME’s offices. Example:

    Gardasil Autopsy Reports
    The current study, Death after Quadravalent Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Vaccination: Causal or Coincindental? examined
    the brain tissue of two young women who died suddenly after receiving
    the HPV vaccine, Gardasil. One of the young women was 19, healthy,
    medication free and had no previous medical history. She died in her
    sleep after being given the third dose of the vaccine, which elicited an
    apparent exacerbation of symptoms that had developed soon after the
    first dose.The symptoms that emerged after her first dose included:
    warts on her hands, fatigue, muscle weakness, tachycardia, chest pain,
    tingling in her extremities, irritability, confusion and memory lapses
    or amnesia.

    The other young woman was 14 years old, had a history of migraines
    and was using oral contraceptives. Within two weeks of her first dose,
    she developed a constellation of symptoms that included exacerbation of
    migraines, speech problems, dizziness, weakness, inability to walk,
    excessive vomiting, depressed consciousness, confusion, amnesia. Two
    weeks after the second dose, she was found dead in the bathtub by her
    parents.

    The original autopsies for each the young women revealed no
    abnormalities and no precise cause of death. With the second girl, the
    coroner noted cerebral edema and what is called cerebellar herniation
    – a condition where brain swelling pushes against lower brainstem
    compressing the region responsible for respiration (breathing) and heart
    function. http://www.hormonesmatter (dot) com/gardasil-autopsies-reveal-cerebral-vasculitis/.

    These signature of the HPV adjuvant was found to cause the deaths. In fact in one girl the adjuvant was attached to a brain neuron. Aluminum destroys cells: https://www.youtube (dot) com/watch?v=FfTo35UrFPA. The ME’s didn’t report the deaths as vaccine associated.

    Here is what the ME said about the fact that HPV and Aluminum was found in one of the victims body’s:

    -Pathologist Dr John Rutherford, who performed Ms Renata’s post-mortem examination, said HPV and aluminium were supposed
    to be in the vaccine so it was not unusual they were found in Ms Renata’s system. He found no evidence to support the theory that Gardasil was to blame for Ms Renata’s death and he did not think a definitive cause of death was ever likely to be found. He criticised the evidence that HPV was found in Ms Renata’s body.

    “So what? It would be expected to be in there.”

    Dr Rutherford acknowledged Prof Shaw’s ability to perform detailed brain examinations and would have been able to detect changes in Ms Renata’s brain.

    “But again I say, ‘so what?’. If I died now there might be changes seen in my brain.”

    ***He said he had public health concerns and did not want
    parents to withhold Gardasil from their children due to health fears.***

    So what you have here is an ME who doesn’t know that VACCINES ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO CROSS THE BLOOD BRAIN BARRIER. The fact that the virus and the adjuvant were found in the brain demonstrates a dangerous product. It’s not suppose to be there.

    Next, you have a man concerned about the vaccine program more than he is about human life. There is not one shred of scientific data that confirms HPV causes cervical cancer so it’s an unnecessary shot. Even the ACS states as much and the effectiveness of a shot, even if it works, won’t be know for 30-40 years-the age a female would develop cervical cancer 45-55. So vaccines were not stated on the autopsy according to the parents. http://www.odt.co (dot) nz/news/national/220882/biological-plausibility-vaccine-caused-death
    ————————————
    -A confidential, 1271 page GSK document ordered recently by an Italian
    Court to be published shows that multiple vaccines cause sudden child
    deaths. [The document is a formal confidential previously unpublished
    submission by GlaxoSmithKline to the European Medicines Agency from 2011 and 2012.]

    The GSK document contains data about deaths occurring as a result of administration of Prevenar 13 vaccine [from Pfizer], Infanrix Hexa from GSK and some other vaccines. Prevenar 13 is given toall British children.

    In the past few hours the analysis has been published on the US National Library of Medicines website using the data GSK provided to the European Medicines Agency. The data is conclusive. It is very clear and there is no room for argument.

    And the analysis is simple. Anyone can understand it. The very plain data the document contains proves the matter without any doubt whatsoever.

    Here is the key point from the published analysis [but there is more to read online]. It is not rocket science, but very simple to understand:

    (Source: Table 36 The GlaxoSmithKline Biological Clinical Safety and Pharmacovigilance report to Regulatory Authority)
    “… if one analyzes the data looking at deaths in first 10 days after
    administration of vaccine and compares it to the deaths in the next 10
    days, it is clear that 97% of deaths (65 deaths) in the infants below 1
    year, occur in the first 10 days and 3% (2 deaths) occur in the next 10
    days. Had the deaths been coincidental SIDS deaths unrelated to
    vaccination, the numbers of deaths in the two 10 day periods should have
    been the same. Similarly in children older than 1 year, 87.5% deaths (7
    deaths) occurred in the first 10 days and 12.5% (1 death) occurred in
    the next 10 days.” http://www.greenmedinfo (dot) com/blog/vaccines-proven-cause-sudden-death-children & http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pubmed/24004825#cm24004825_8656

    However you will never see death caused by vaccines on a report nor will you see it listed in the CDC’s National Vitals Statics.
    —————————————
    One of the sickest examples of vaccine industry corruption – Wyeth internal memo. I bet you won’t find these deaths on any autopsy report nor in the CDC’s data either : http://www.ageofautism (dot) com/files/wyeth79.pdf

    An inter-office memorandum from 1979 (link above) about distribution of Wyeth’s DPT vaccine. But read closely — a series of SIDS deaths in Tennessee is prompting Wyeth officials to make sure that vials from a single lot don’t get distributed to a single state, county or health department. The memo says “senior management staff” gave the OK to proceed with the plan.

    Wyeth didn’t want correlations being drawn between DPT vaccine lot numbers and SIDS deaths.

    “When statistics are applied to the study of vaccines, political immunology demonstrates its infinite flexibility: statistical evidence demonstrating cause and effect is denied, when this same evidence, applied to any other branch of medicine, would be accepted without question,”

    “This convenient method of reasoning was displayed with particular clarity in connection with the government’s investigation of SIDS deaths in Tennessee. In 1978-79, eleven babies were found to have died within eight days of a DPT vaccination. Nine of the eleven had been vaccinated with the same lot of pertussis vaccine, Wyeth #64201 and five (four from the same lot) had died within twenty-four hours of vaccination.

    “A statistical analysis of the clustering of deaths revealed that the likelihood of observing four or more deaths occurring randomly on any of the first eight days after the use of lot #64201 was 3 in 100. … E.B. Mortimer later reported that the probability of this being a chance association was even lower — between 2 and 5 in 1,000.

    “The statistical evidence in favor of a connection between the deaths and the DPT shot was strong. Would the medical authorities bite the bullet and admit the vaccine was related to the deaths? Absolutely not.”
    —————————
    People who are in the Medical Industrial complex know how things roll. Play ball with us and you’ll keep your job. Go against the flow…
    Drug Giant Merck – “Destroy” Critical Doctors “Where They Live”
    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress (dot) com/2009/10/12/merckdestroydoccritics/.

    CDC Lists 131 Causes of Death For A Child but Omits Vaccines: http://healthimpactnews (dot)com/2014/cdc-lists-131-causes-of-death-for-a-child-but-omits-vaccines/

    So your numbers are meaningless. CDC is a for profit agency who have as much integrity as Benito Mussolini. Until the people in this country breaks the backs of the criminals that run the CDC and blow a hole in the nefarious activity of the vaccine industry-the true extent of just how many children have been killed by the pharmaceutical industry and the CDC will never be know.

    Something must be happening because Gerberding has dumped a significant amount of her MERCK blood money stock:
    Former CDC Director Julie Gerberding sells 38,368 shares of Merck Stock for $2.3 Million-http://healthimpactnews (dot) com/2015/former-cdc-director-julie-gerberding-sells-38368-shares-of-merck-stock-for-2-3-million/. Jumping the sinking ship.

  • Sciencerules

    I guess my question about your pneumonia treatment was a stumper. Sorry.

  • AutismDad

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19758536 (MMR markers in autistic children)

  • Sciencerules

    You know what’s really great, being at a university allowed me to actually read the paper. First, let me state that Annals of Psychiatry is not a major journal. Second, it isn’t clear that the paper was peer reviewed. Third, the author’s hypothesis, albeit reasonable, is faulty. He looks at antibody serologies in the blood of autistic versus control children. Serologies (antibodies) just show evidence of past exposure, not if you are actively infected. Both groups had serologies for all viruses and bacteria tested, including measles. His only conclusion was that the “level” of measles serologies were higher in autistic kids. However, there is no methods component to the paper so it is impossible to tell how he calculated these “levels”. He simply supplies numbers and I can’t tell what they mean. He also looked at antibodies in the cerebrospinal fluid, but for some reason only looked at autistic kids. 3/10 kids had anti-MMR antibodies in the CSF, but there was no normal control group. Maybe even normal kids have those antibodies in the CSF? Maybe there was some blood contamination, which happens during lumbar puncture, leading to leaking of antibodies from the blood into the CSF (i.e. a false positive). Without the normal kids you can’t conclude anything. The whole study is shoddy. It’s a shame really because it looks like he could have done it much better, and reported clearer results.

  • Lord Szolnok

    I suspect “AutismDad” has a profession attained through rigorous education or, at least, a line of work experience where he is somewhat of an expert. I wonder how he would react to being denerated and insulted daily for his professional knowledge, judgement and experience in his chosen field? Does he consider himself a lay expert in other professional realms? Does he represent himself in a court of law or ask to fly his own airliner when he buys a ticket? Does he tour NASA facilities in Houston and pretend to be able to advise astrophysicists?

  • Doctor Jack

    Probably not but accurate, not even..
    The definition for abscess said it was caused by bacterial infection. It’s not. Just because something is present does not mean it’s causative. Strike 1

    Ditto ‘virus’ – Virus is not a living entity that takes over a host cell. What is incorrectly characterized as virus and viral replication is the well known physiological process of phagocytosis which happens billions of times every day.
    Strike 2

    And last but not least, chicken pox or varicella or whatever label you wish to give it is defined as caused by a virus. If you define ‘virus’ by the medical definition, it is not caused by virus but if you define virus by the dictionary definition given to this word before the 1950s, then yes it would be correct. So what you need to do is find an old dusty Merriam Webster Dictionary that your favorite aunt gave you when you were in grammar school if you went to grammar school in the 1950s or earlier and read what it says. It’s a very short definition and then get back to me and let me know what your research uncovered.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Most allergies and asthma occur in vaccinated kids.

    This does not appear to be the case, except on antivax web sites.

  • chemfreemom

    I guess you missed the study that showed a direct correlation between infant mortality rate and number of recommended vaccines, by country. Of course, the U.S. had the highest infant mortality rate and the most recommended vaccines.

  • chemfreemom

    Actually, almost 80% of the reports to VAERS are made by the drug companies themselves, doctors and immunization centers; and only 7% are made by parents according to the veers site. But, even so, a parent knows better than anyone when there is an extreme and sudden change in their child following vaccination.

  • Doctor Jack

    Again sir, just because something is present, streptococcus pneumonia, DOES NOT MEAN IT’S CAUSATIVE! If you happened to pass a burning house where fire trucks were present pouring water on the fire, would you think that fire trucks cause fires? Well that’s what you’re medicine school training has you believing. You have been taken by those that want you to think and act a certain way because it is commercially highly advantageous for you to think and subsequently act the way you described above. Here you have an organism struggling for survival and your injecting it with substances that are AGAINST LIFE! How totally stupid is that!!! If a man were drowning and needed you to throw him a life preserver, would you instead throw a rock at him to assist him in survival? Well that’s your logic above with a person with what’s medically called pneumonia.

    As for the word you used above potentially describing my “therapy”. I don’t have any therapies. I am not a symptom treater like you and all the alternative exploiters out there waiting and willing to empty desperate people’s purses in exchange for a few hours of symptom relief. I am a teaching doctor, doctor being defined by the original definition as “one who teaches”
    I teach people what they are doing / not doing that’s making their symptoms necessary and if they are motivated enough they will modify their behavior and habits making the disease process unnecessary in the future. Can I control their behavior? Of course not. I can only control my behavior. So is it guaranteed that they will recover and not have any future symptoms? If they follow my advice yes but since I’m not with them all the time, I have no way of knowing how they are doing or what they are doing. Quite frankly, I know of clients I’ve had that did recover and at some point, went right back to their old bad habits and thus their symptoms returned.

    My proof is the results my clients get who take what they learning seriously and who’s condition is still in the acute or chronic stage and not in the too far gone degenerative stage. It’s important to arrest the disease process before it becomes too advanced and has thus done too much tissue damage. Ex. Arthritis is pretty easily reversed but not if it’s allowed to reach the ankylosis state.

    The way I would prove that my approach to overcoming pneumonia verses your approach would probably be that my knowledgeable, cooperating patient would still be alive!!!

    I was on a radio talk show less than a year ago hosted by a really sweet female physician. I met her for the first time when I arrived at the studio. I could tell by her head and shoulders shot on the station’s website that she was probably overweight but I had no idea by how much until I saw her in person. She is about 5 feet tall and weighs around 300 pounds! Her ass could barely fit in the nice padded chairs with padded arms at the microphone table. Now here’s an individual that purports to be in the healthcare industry! As nice as she is and perhaps as honorable as you may be in your desire to help people with health problems, you’ve been duped by the system too unless your an orthopedist, emergency room doctor, reconstructive surgeon, I’ve given you a homework assignment in my previous reply so let’s see what you come up with.

    i have spent way too much time on this today and have tasks that I’ve neglected so i’m signing off here.

  • chemfreemom

    I’m sure you are following the science and believe you are doing the right thing, but pro- vaccine science is the same as tobacco science used to be; rife with corruption, politicized, and downright fraudulent. Just do search on all of the whistleblowers who have come forward from both the vaccine companies, and the govt health agencies. Vaccines, at least as they are now developed and institutedinstituted, will go the way of the flat-earth theory, the lobotomy, and the cigarette.

  • chemfreemom

    Infants receive a mercury a containing vaccine on the day they are born, to prevent a disease spread by sex and intravenous drug use, without even testing the mother to see if this necessary.

  • You, know the science? Do you, really? And what did they study? They studied in larger epidemiological studies only one single vaccine. As far as vaccine ingredients, as a whole, they again studied only one ingredient in those said epidemiological studies, and that was Thimerosal.

    Where are the physiologically based studies showing the safety profile of the current 2015 CDC vaccine schedule. You say you know the science; (and so do I). Where are those studies?

    Where as well are the physiologically based vaccine safety studies regarding the actual safety profile of and in giving an infant or small child from five to up to nine or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit. Do you have any of those studies?

    Do not even bother giving me, or just throwing the IOM report at it; because there are no such studies in it. They simply claimed to have looked and reviewed the VSD, which is essentially the VAERS reports, and called it good.

    Anyone that has been in the know for any time at all knows that such claims are always entirely bogus, and even the CDC refuses to find any common factors and occurrences in regard to Gardasil, which is obviously preposterous. The vaccine reactions data base such as VAERS as well is known to contain an estimated only 1 to 10% of the re-portable vaccine reactions, and resulting deaths.

    Now lets as well have you read through this well done analysis of those said studies, and this is what was found. You know, the studies that as well are and have been used in the federal vaccine court, to have now denied 100’s if not 1000’s of cases of vaccine caused autism. In fact 9,904 claims have been to date, dismissed; out of 14,025 claims having been so fat, adjudicated.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiolgical studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period.Found were the use of flawed study designs, the use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data and evidence, and as well were found major conflicts of interest in and as to the studies funding sources; with none of them of course being independent, and nor obviously, unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    Read more:
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

  • And your unwittingly doing the devils vaccine destruction work, will make him proud.

  • Verifiable data? Where? Just answer the direct question, that you are avoiding.

  • All your documented proof is behind firewalls? If you have the basic proof science and studies to actually and currently support vaccine safety and efficacy; none of that is nor would need to be behind any firewalls. The real science and studies showing the vaccine harm truth that they have hidden, may however and may indeed be behind all sorts of hidden walls and files.

  • It does actually happen to be the case in people I know (and I know a lot of people).

  • The entire issue has nothing to do with being denerated and insulted for anything but what you rightfully deserve; and based on the known informational facts regarding vaccines.

    Do not expect to come in here on an article site like this one, and just get away with reply dropping one pile after another of known and only reparroted false vaccine propaganda, and misinformation.

  • Really? Apparently your study research is a bit lacking and behind the times.

    Scientific proof that vaccines can cause asthma and allergy!

    And when do you think Paul Offit and the CDC will get around to addressing THIS study? They never will.

    Vaccine. 2008 Mar 25;26(14):1725-30. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2008.01.041. Epub 2008 Feb 13.

    Kinetics of asthma- and allergy-associated immune response gene expression in peripheral blood mononuclear cells from vaccinated infants after in vitro re-stimulation with vaccine antigen.

    Lahdenperä AI1, Nilsson LJ, Regnström K.

    Abstract

    The global expression of immune response genes in infants after vaccination and their role in asthma and allergy is not clearly understood. Pharmacogenomics is ideally suited to study the involved cellular responses, since the expression of thousands of genes can be assessed simultaneously. Here, array technology was used to assess the expression kinetics of immune response genes with association to asthma and allergy in peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC) of five healthy infants after vaccination with Infanrix-Polio+Hib. At 12h after in vitro re-stimulation of the PBMC with pertussis toxin (PT) antigen, 14 immune response pathways, 33 allergy-related and 66 asthma-related genes were found activated.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18336961

    Epidemiology. 1997 Nov;8(6):678-80.

    Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
    Kemp T1, Pearce N, Fitzharris P, Crane J, Fergusson D, St George I, Wickens K, Beasley R.

    Abstract

    The Christchurch Health and Development Study comprises 1,265 children born in 1977. The 23 children who received no diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus (DPT) and polio immunizations had no recorded asthma episodes or consultations for asthma or other allergic illness before age 10 years; in the immunized children, 23.1% had asthma episodes, 22.5% asthma consultations, and 30.0% consultations for other allergic illness. Similar differences were observed at ages 5 and 16 years. These findings do not appear to be due to differential use of health services (although this possibility cannot be excluded) or con-founding by ethnicity, socioeconomic status, parental atopy, or parental smoking.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9345669

    http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3702662?uid=3739904&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21106258867851

  • Unvaccinated Are Healthier, (New Zealand Study)
    http://www.mednat.org/vaccini/dannivacc_study.pdf

    OH, JUST 2 MORE SHOCKING VAX vs. UNVAXED SURVEYS. LAD-DE-DAH.
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/03/oh-just-2-mor-1.html

    Studies Prove Without Doubt That Unvaccinated Children Are Far Healthier Than Their Vaccinated Peers
    http://vactruth.com/2014/02/26/unvaccinated-children-healthier/

  • Andrew Lazarus

    <Scratches head.> That’s the evidence? OK, whatever. Although of course that means I get to play the classmate deaf from measles card.

  • Amy Vinson Taylor

    That 4 month old had FIVE injections all at once, for SEVEN different illnesses. Hardly an exaggeration, as Sciencerules wants you to believe, and this is normal today. My nephew was given this same combination of shots, minus the RotaTeq, I believe, at 5 mos. old. Within hours of those shots my nephew was turning blue around the lips, and within 24 hours he turned bluish purple, was seizing and rushed to the hospital by ambulance. 5 days later he was stabilized and sent home with an oxygen tank… 6 years later he still takes two daily medications as a result of that “well baby” visit, and has a diagnosis of epilepsy- he had never had any seizures whatsoever prior to those shots. His doctor actually wanted to give him more than the 4 shots for 6 illnesses he received that day…he had missed a couple of shots from the previous visit and his doctor wanted to play catch up. His mother said no- would he be in the company of this little angel above if his mother had agreed to the doctor’s wishes that day?

    When most of us adults were children, we got single shots, and way less over time than kids get today! Children never got five injections in the same day, ever! The only multi shot given was the MMR, which became available in 1971- so many adults didn’t even get that one as a child, but instead got the components separately. For those of you who think it’s no big deal, are you volunteering to get the same number of shots as the baby did, even better if adjusted for weight, but oh yeah, they don’t do that either…one size fits all…

  • Hepatitis B Vaccine for Infants: Is it Worth it, and the Risk?
    http://www.vacfacts.info/hepatitis-b-vaccine-for-infants-is-it-worth-it-and-the-risk.html

    I suggest that you review this information as well.

    Dr. Suzanne Humphries Has A Lot To Say About Aluminum In Vaccines

    “By the age of 18 months, that infant has already received 4,925 micrograms (mcg) of aluminum, 100 percent of which is absorbed since it’s given intramuscularly. In the 1980s the amount of aluminum you got when following the childhood vaccination schedule amounted to 1,120 mcg, and importantly, it was given in more mature babies, not newborns. Today, American children end up getting a grand total of 6,150 mcg of aluminum if they get all of their recommended vaccines.”

    Read more:
    http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/04/20/dr-suzanne-humphries-has-a-lot-to-say-about-aluminum-in-vaccines/

    Dr Suzanne Humphries. Aluminum is toxic to all life forms: The case against aluminum in vaccines.
    https://youtu.be/LZe99K12740

    This is enough information and should be, to shut down the entire CDC directed infant vaccination schedule. But you know that again they will ignore it; because not to would finish them entirely.

    Suzanne Humphries, MD – Neonatal Immunity: The first 3 years of life:

    “Nothing should interfere with the immunologic programming, especially during the first three years.” Normal brain development depends on the baby maintaining a non-inflammatory state. Vaccines drive excessive inflammation and can derail normal brain development:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL8srdLw4c0

    The Case Against Aluminum in Vaccines, (interview and video by Suzanne Humphries)
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/31/aluminum-vaccines.aspx

    How Vaccine Adjuvants Affect Your Brain, (interview with and video by, Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic)
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/29/vaccine-adjuvants-brain-effects.aspx

    Here is a bit more information.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2 (a long list of studies)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Part 1: Immune Activation and Autism
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Scientific Papers Library
    Immune Activation
    http://vaccinepapers.org/scientific-papers-library/

    A More Rigorous Defense of Al Adjuvant, and Why it is Wrong
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    VRM: The Problem With Vaccines Part 2 – Synergistic Effect of Heavy Metal Toxicity On The Body
    http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=6097

  • You might be interested in this information.

    Proof that Big Pharma Doesn’t Care About Vaccine Harm, (the Wyeth internal memo)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/proof-that-big-pharma-doesnrsquot-care-about-vaccine-harm.html

  • Maddie Freedman

    They HAVE been proven safe and effective when administered properly! Read some REAL scientific research on the subject!

  • So is that said, and in a nutshell, is the ONLY evidence that you have in regard the safety profile of the current CDC vaccine schedule? And it is the only claim you can make in regard to the evidence that there is regarding the safety profile of giving an infant or small child from five to up to nine or more vaccines in a single day and office visit? If you have more evidence for that said safety profile; go ahead and put some of that forward, right now?

    These are some videos I made, detailing the major issues with vaccines.

    Vaccine Truth
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmMwsM_J1l8

    We will FIGHT! And as to the vaccine truth, we will WIN!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V19k2MqVzyE

    The Current State of Vaccine Truth 2015
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxg0enCfMXs

  • Amy Vinson Taylor

    Incorrect! most use placebos with an adjuvant, that is hardly the standard placebo- saline!

  • wetset
  • So what you are telling us is that you are willing to inject yourself with 1000 antigens in one shot, and it doesn’t matter what kind of antigens, because you claim that they are all the same. No difference at all, and as if measles, mumps, rubella, and Diphtheria are all going to be acquired by scraping your leg. What antigenic vaccine comparable’s, are in a piece of food, by the way? Its all the same, right? And you say you know the science? Really?

  • Its actually vaccine immunology that does not actually understand human immunology, and immunity. If they did, they would not have made the major mistakes that they have. They as well need to admit it that the effect of injecting a vaccine is entirely unnatural, and nothing like that which occurs with natural challenge and resulting natural immunity. They need to as well understand that injecting substances, is not the same thing as eating substances, and nor is it metabolized, detoxified and eliminated in the same way. And just because a substance already exists in the human body; does not mean that adding more of it in a vaccines is just ok to do; and with no real safety testing.

  • onyormark

    Sciencerule says, “I have nothing to do with “big pharma”. Zero, zilch. They don’t pay me a dime. I simply use my head and follow the science. Is the Earth flat?”

    ____________________________________________

    But if you actually work in a lab developing vaccines as you say you do, then obviously you DO presently work in the pharmaceutical industry and are getting paid through them.

  • It appears that you have little comprehension of the meaning of the term, human physiology; much more, non self materials, poisons, and chemicals.

  • What do you suggest caused the thymic atrophy and vascular congestion of multiple organs?

    I would suggest it was the vaccines and as well the aluminum adjuvants in those vaccines that caused hypoxia and blood sludging in those organs. That together with the over stimulation cytokine storm type immune system re-activity caused by the injected multiple vaccines. You know the same antigens that compared as all the same, and minimized the significance of, and that you say are in such small numbers amounts in vaccines.

    This is one explanation that was given to me by a person who has done a lot of research.

    The cytokine storm would be found in the tissues of the lungs. That is where the mast cells are that cause the severe histamine reaction which causes the foamy mucus found in the SIDS babies.

    People are not told what SIDS really is. You see like with the measles as an example. We breath the pathogens and viruses all the time. If a child has already been in contact with the virus through respiration then let’s say some of the virus may be trapped in the cells of the lung tissues. When a child gets the measles vaccine the immune system will recognize the measles virus in those cells and an immune response happens. You have the Ige activated which in turn activates the mast cells that produce histamine and for the lungs the foamy mucus in an effort to rid the virus. Now because of the severe immune response and the prolonged immune response healthy tissue is affected and you end up with a cytokine storm.

    When a person receives a vaccination the toxins and the virus activate the immune system to excess because of the aluminum mainly.

    The whole brain has mast cells but the hypothalmus is the one that is affected the most by this process.

    Now the IgE is activated which causes an allergic reaction. Now you have histamine released through out the body. The aluminum opens the BBB and because of that the mast cells in the brain are activated and produce histamine = brain inflammation.

    Now on to the rest of the body. There are mast cells around the mitocondria. These mast cells can also become activated and release histamine. When you have an intense reaction the histamine’s inflammatory response can damage the mitocondria which is what can Cause a bunch of stuff like ALS.

    Also, excessive inflammation can damage the vagus nerve. The vagus nerve tries to regulate the immune response. With the new vaccines now the vagus nerve becomes so over worked that it becomes damaged. Let’s look at it this way. It is like a wire that lights one light bulb. When you add 50 light bulbs it burns out.

    We have two vagus nerves in our body. They both control different things. One will control the lungs and heart and the other may control digestion and the stomach.

    It is more complex than that but you get the gist of the process.

    Now you add that the vaccines can cause histamine intolerance and you have the perfect storm that perpetuates itself every time you eat because all foods have a certain amount of histamine. So you can’t win. The best you can do is a low histamine diet.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagus_nerve

    http://www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/vagus-nerve

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

  • There was a third and major individual in that circle at the time, and his name was Antoine Bechamp. His findings and presentation regarding human health on a physiological basis was actually correct, and Pasteurs was wrong. Bechamps understanding would not support the building of a billion dollar drug industry and their pharma educated medical empire. Pasteurs theology did support that empire, and so that was what they ran with, and after the Rockefellers produced the Flexner report, and bought out all existing medical schools using, chiropractic, homeopathic, and naturopathic protocols, and which were actually working well at the time. What standard medical model textbook has ever had that information in it? None of them do. There is a reason for that, and which is that it all had to be that side of their history with Bechamp, entirely erased and covered up as if it never existed and ever happened..

    The False Foundations of Modern Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

    If so called modern medicine is doing so well, and has it right; then why are they by the studies that has been done numbers, are they the first leading cause of death in the US; and those numbers are over that of the numbers for heart disease and cancer deaths. Just under 1 million per year.

    Death By Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    Death By Medicine

    By Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD

    Something is wrong when regulatory agencies pretend that vitamins are dangerous, yet ignore published statistics showing that government-sanctioned medicine is the real hazard.

    http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf

  • Thank you. Here is a little more coverage on that issue.

    Vaccine Injuries and Deaths Continue to Increase in Federal Vaccine Court
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-continue-to-increase-in-federal-vaccine-court/

    Government Wipes Recent Vaccine Injury Data from Website
    https://sharylattkisson.com/government-wipes-recent-vaccine-injury-data-from-website/

    Wednesday, June 3, 2015
    Feds Sanitize Vaccine Injury Reporting BIG Time
    http://www.activistpost.com/2015/06/feds-sanitize-vaccine-injury-reporting.html

  • This is enough information and should be, to shut down the entire CDC directed infant vaccination schedule. But you know that again they will ignore it; because not to would finish them entirely.

    Suzanne Humphries, MD – Neonatal Immunity: The first 3 years of life:

    “Nothing should interfere with the immunologic programming, especially during the first three years.” Normal brain development depends on the baby maintaining a non-inflammatory state. Vaccines drive excessive inflammation and can derail normal brain development:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL8srdLw4c0

    Here is a bit more information.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    Dr. Suzanne Humphries Has A Lot To Say About Aluminum In Vaccines

    “By the age of 18 months, that infant has already received 4,925 micrograms (mcg) of aluminum, 100 percent of which is absorbed since it’s given intramuscularly. In the 1980s the amount of aluminum you got when following the childhood vaccination schedule amounted to 1,120 mcg, and importantly, it was given in more mature babies, not newborns. Today, American children end up getting a grand total of 6,150 mcg of aluminum if they get all of their recommended vaccines.”

    Read more:
    http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/04/20/dr-suzanne-humphries-has-a-lot-to-say-about-aluminum-in-vaccines/

    Dr Suzanne Humphries. Aluminum is toxic to all life forms: The case against aluminum in vaccines.
    https://youtu.be/LZe99K12740

    The Case Against Aluminum in Vaccines, (interview and video by Suzanne Humphries)
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/31/aluminum-vaccines.aspx

    How Vaccine Adjuvants Affect Your Brain, (interview with and video by, Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic)
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/29/vaccine-adjuvants-brain-effects.aspx

    Dr. Suzanne Humphries, M.D. – Vaccine Strain of Measles Virus Found in Measles Outbreaks
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/dr-suzanne-humphries-m-d-vaccine-strain-of-measles-virus-found-in-measles-outbreaks/

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Part 1: Immune Activation and Autism
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Scientific Papers Library
    Immune Activation
    http://vaccinepapers.org/scientific-papers-library/

    A More Rigorous Defense of Al Adjuvant, and Why it is Wrong
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Systemic Toxicity of Aluminum Adjuvants

    http://vaccine-injury.info/aluminum.cfm

    VRM: The Problem With Vaccines Part 2 – Synergistic Effect of Heavy Metal Toxicity On The Body
    http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=6097

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    More Vaccine Reality, (and studies)

    http://www.vacfacts.info/more-vaccine-reality.html

    URGENT: Stop the Latest Attempt to Erode a Parent’s Right to Informed Consent
    http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/urgent-stop-the-latest-attempt-to-erode-a-parents-right-to-informed-consent/

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiological studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    Vaccines Are Not 100% Safe Or Effective
    Yet, Our Right To Opt-Out Of Vaccination Is Under Attack
    http://www.stopmandatoryvaccination.com/

  • Proven where? Show us what you have? Where is your all research that has proven vaccines as safe and effective? Oh that’s right, you just re-parroted the phrase and the false information that you were fed.

    I do not want to see any IOM report that has actually zero studies and actually applicable studies in it. I am talking about the needed studies showing that said safety profile, and that have yet never been done.

    Produce the studies that show us that a physiologically based safety profile has been established regarding the current 2015 CDC vaccine schedule? Additionally produce the direct studies that show the physiologically based safety profile of and in giving from five and up to to nine or more vaccines to an infant or small child, and in a single day and office visit.

    Produce some studies regarding the safety profile of aluminum vaccine adjuvants, and that has actually looked at the issue of vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain after vaccination, and also in regard children with autism? I don’t want to see any studies that claim to be a safety study but when you read them they actually looked at little to nothing regarding that safety profile and potential physiological effect. What as well is aluminum adjuvants effect in the potential causation of allergies, asthma, and autoimmune related disorders? Do you have any studies regarding those issues? I do.

    Larger epidemiological studies done regarding only one vaccine, the MMR, and also the same kind of studies done on only one vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal; simply do no longer cut it; and they never did.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiolgical studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unrealiable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

  • You missed the point. Big pharma really doesn’t care how many children die, because the massive and no liability for them profits will still keep on coming in from the children that didn’t die.

    Proof that Big Pharma Doesn’t Care About Vaccine Harm, (the leaked Wyeth internal memo)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/proof-that-big-pharma-doesnrsquot-care-about-vaccine-harm.html

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.nbc12.com/story/27941803/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

    Merck Measles Vaccine Sales Surged as California Outbreak Grew
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-28/merck-measles-vaccine-sales-surged-as-california-outbreak-grew

    A Shot In The Wallet
    http://www.dddmag.com/articles/2009/12/shot-wallet

    Vaccine Memorial Page: Remembering those lost foreverhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/VaccineMemorialPage/1578798415710259/?notif_t=group_activity

    VACCINE CHOICE PRAYER COMMUNITY, (this is where the rubber meets the road so to speak in our vaccine truth efforts, whoaa …what a page).

    Below are just some of the countless children who have died following vaccine injury. Please take a moment to light a candle or offer a prayer for them and for their families. More stories at Families Speak, Meet the Children, International Memorial for Vaccine Victims and My Gardasil Story.

    http://www.vaccinechoiceprayercommunity.org/we-remember.html

    Vaccine Injury Stories
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/VaccineInjuryStories/

    Hear This Well is a Response to Vaccine Fiction
    http://www.hearthiswell.org/

    Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence 263 videos 285,167 views
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe

    Gardasil personal Stories, (also see the other Gardasil related pages here on my site)
    http://www.mygardasilstory.com/

    TV2 Denmark Documentary on HPV Vaccine Shows Lives of Young Women Ruined
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/tv2-denmark-documentary-on-hpv-vaccine-shows-lives-of-young-women-ruined/

  • Actual science

    Please show me what European countries have more vaccines on schedule than US? I don’t know of one. You need help!

  • That is not a country by country comparison of vaccines given, and with given existing infant mortality rates.

    Coincidentally the US is also one of the most highly vaccinated for numbers and doses.

    SPECIAL REPORT
    AUTISM AND VACCINES AROUND THE WORLD: 2009

    Vaccine Schedules, Autism Rates, and Under 5 Mortality

    The United States has the highest number of mandated vaccines for children under 5 in the world (36, double the Western world average of 18), the highest autism rate in the world (1 in 150 children, 10 times or more the rate of some other Western countries), but only places 34th in the world for its children under 5 mortality rate. What’s going on?

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/gr-autism_and_vaccines_world_special_report1.pdf

    Studies show that the countries with the most vaccines have the worst infant death rate http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/studies-show-that-the-countries-with-the-most-vaccines-have-the-worst-infant-death-rate/

    Graph of the day: The United States has a really high infant mortality rate
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/09/graph-of-the-day-the-united-states-has-a-really-high-infant-mortality-rate/

    Infant Death Rate: U.S. Falls Behind 68 Countries, According To Save The Children
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/08/infant-death-rate-in-us_n_3237776.html

    WHAT’S BEHIND THE HIGH U.S. INFANT MORTALITY RATE
    http://stanmed.stanford.edu/2013fall/article2.html

    U.S. has highest first-day infant mortality out of industrialized world, group reports (coincidentally most infants as well get the Hep B vaccine within those first 24 hours)
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-has-highest-first-day-infant-mortality-out-of-industrialized-world-group-reports/

    Multiple Infant Vaccines Linked To Dramatically Increased Mortality
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/multiple-infant-vaccines-linked-dramatically-increased-mortality

    Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/
    http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644

    Comparison of VAERS fetal-loss reports during three consecutive influenza seasons
    Was there a synergistic fetal toxicity associated with the two-vaccine 2009/2010 season?
    http://het.sagepub.com/content/32/5/464.full

    Relative trends in hospitalizations and mortality among infants by the number of vaccine doses and age, based on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 1990–2010
    http://het.sagepub.com/content/31/10/1012.full

    Kids Given Vaccines Have 22 Times the Rate of Ear Infections (interesting)
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/01/more-parents-waking-up-to-vaccine-dangers.aspx

    Of course and as to this below CDC study; the vaccine adjuvants frying the brains of every infant and child they are injected into, had nothing to do with that 1 in 6 children now with developmental disabilities figure. You know, as in reference to vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    CDC: 1 In 6 Kids Have A Developmental Disability
    http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2011/05/23/cdc-1-in-6/13146/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Key Findings: Trends in the Prevalence of Developmental Disabilities in U. S. Children, 1997–2008

    Main findings from this study:

    Data from the study showed that developmental disabilities (DDs) are common: about 1 in 6 children in the U.S. had a DD in 2006–2008. These data also showed that prevalence of parent-reported DDs has increased 17.1% from 1997 to 2008. This study underscores the increasing need for health, education and social services, and more specialized health services for people with DDs.

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/developmentaldisabilities/features/birthdefects-dd-keyfindings.html

  • Actual science

    Japan and SIngapore are not in the EU! Neither are Iceland or Norway! Where did you go to school? I think 26 vaccines is significantly bigger than 12! Also US babies get Hep B at birth, I don’t know of any other ‘developed’ nations with best IMR that have this vaccine on schedule. You really need to do some research Capt Ron, you haven’t a clue, have you!

  • And where is your evidence that any infants died before any vaccinations were given, and when the Hep B vaccine is given shortly after birth? That, in regard to the total outcome of the US infant death numbers. How would you ever accurately compare the poverty conditions of one developed country against another? What is the actual source for your ramblings?

    Take a look at the graphic here, and by dose numbers also remember that the US CDC schedule is now 49 doses of 14 vaccines by the age of 6. And you still do not see any significance in the difference in numbers of vaccines between countries? And what as well would be the comparisons if you compared the number of vaccines given by the age of two, in comparison to infant/child mortality rates? That would likely put an even larger spotlight on this situation. The current number of vaccine doses by the age of two in the US appears to be 34. That is a lot of vaccines.

    Vaccine Schedules, Autism Rates, and Under 5 Mortality, (2009)

    The United States has the highest number of mandated vaccines for children under 5 in the world (36, double the Western world average of 18), the highest autism rate in the world (1 in 150 children, 10 times or more the rate of some other Western countries), but only places 34th in the world for its children under

    5 mortality rate. What’s going on?

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/gr-autism_and_vaccines_world_special_report1.pdf

    49 doses of 14 vaccines by the age of 6.
    http://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/49-Doses-PosterB.pdf

    Paracelsus Klinik’s Recommendations on Vaccination

    Therefore, we would like to provide you with the following advice (if you prefer the option of vaccination):

    Infants: Do not vaccinate before the second life year has been completed. Before this, the blood-cerebral barrier will still allow foreign proteins to directly enter into the brain where they might cause possible damage. Of course, there are exceptions – in particular if the parents consider a specific vaccination important for a certain reason. We are frequently told that infants scream and cry for days and seem to be really different usually after having received the second or third vaccination. We read this behavior as symptoms of either a postvaccinal cerebral edema or an encephalic irritation caused by the vaccination virus.

    Read more:
    http://www.marioninstitute.org/blog/2013/09/paracelsus-klinik%E2%80%99s-recommendations-vaccination?gclid=CKzq46Lc9cUCFUUSHwodg3YAyA#sthash.WcKkIIwj.dpuf

  • Did they inform you of any of this, in your big pharma directed education on medical school?

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    And have you seen lately how badly they are covering up the truth with just more junk science; and that in the false attempt to make vaccines look more beneficial?

    Here is their junk science study, represnted.

    Measles vaccine may protect against other diseases
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/measles-vaccine-may-protect-against-other-diseases/

    Measles Vaccine Reduces Death From Other Infections Too — By Preventing ‘Immune Amnesia’
    http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

    Here is what the real science and studies have already shown us.

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.
    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract
    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    PRESS RELEASES
    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/102473744

    More Vaccine Reality
    http://www.vacfacts.info/more-vaccine-reality.html

  • My question is other than through you own arrogance and denial; how and why would you even bother coming onto an article like this, knowing that the readers here are not sheeple that can continue to be entirely mislead by the false dogma and misinformation that you insist on simply reparroting.

    How Do Vaccines Work? Immune Mechanisms and Consequences
    http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/component/option,com_crossjoomlaarticlemanager/Itemid,375/aid,1369/view,crossjoomlaarticlemanager/#sthash.rkJSugBv.dpuf

    Your Immune System, How It Works And How Vaccines Damage It
    http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Your-Immune-System-How-It-Works-And-How-Vaccines-Damage-It

    Anatomy and Physiology of the Immune System, Part 4
    How pharmaceuticals destroy nature
    http://jonbarron.org/article/anatomy-and-physiology-immune-system-part-4#.UwH0pvldXbY

    Understanding immunity requires more than immunology
    http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v11/n7/full/ni0710-561.html

    Herd Immunity: Can Mass Vaccination Achieve It?
    by Tetyana Obukhanych, PhD
    http://www.naturalimmunityfundamentals.com/herdimmunity

    Why I teach Natural Immunity Fundamentals
    http://www.naturalimmunityfundamentals.com/

    Have You or Your Children Been Damaged by Vaccines? (This is one of the best articles I have read)
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/have-you-or-your-children-been-damaged-by-vaccines/#sthash.GQpo9XDA.dpuf

    You Can’t Find the Truth About Vaccines by Burying Your Head in (Vested Interests in Vaccines) Peer-Reviewed Studies
    http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/truth-about-vaccines-beyond-peer-review/

    NEJM editor: “No longer possible to believe much of clinical research published”
    http://ethicalnag.org/2009/11/09/nejm-editor/

    We Want The Vaccine Facts And the Real Science, (and here it is)
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!the-factsscience/cc2d

  • When you get around to the rabid end of your attacking saga and as to your beating up on Wakefield; then go to these studies that support and replicate with even more findings, that said 1998 Lancet study.

    Research Studies:
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

  • Vaccines have worked to destroy families and the lives of 1000’s of vaccine injured children, and many as well with vaccine induced autism. The entire history of vaccines is littered with false information that has never squared with the real historical information recorded at the time by people and people working in the medical field and who lived in that time. All the WHO and the CDC have ever had for evidence of so called disease eradication, amounts to correlation equals causation claims, and near to nothing more.

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign (and with the historical evidence of major small pox vaccine failures)

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    The Currently Failed Flu Vaccine Expose/ With Original Antigenic Sin Study Info
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-currently-failed-flu-vaccine-expose-with-original-antigenic-sin-study-info.html

    Published: March 20, 2015
    Shaken science
    A disputed diagnosis imprisons parents
    Prosecutors build murder cases on disputed Shaken Baby Syndrome diagnosis
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/shaken-baby-syndrome/

    And how many more falsely accused parents and caregivers, do we yet need to get out of prisons?

    March 23, 2015
    When babies die, a disputed diagnosis sends parents to prison for abuse

    For decades, when a child appeared in an emergency room with certain symptoms, including bleeding behind the eyes and bleeding around the brain, many doctors assumed violent shaking to be the cause. But in recent years, the Shaken Baby Syndrome diagnosis has come under intense scrutiny, and so have many of the resulting prosecutions and convictions. Special correspondent Jackie Judd reports.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/babies-die-disputed-diagnosis-sends-parents-prison-abuse/

    New Film Exposes Shaken Baby Syndrome Myth – Opponents Want to Silence it at Film Festivals
    http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/03/11/new-film-exposes-shaken-baby-syndrome-myth-opponents-want-to-silence-it-at-film-festivals/

    THE SYNDROME
    a feature investigative documentary
    http://thesyndromefilm.com/

    May 28, 2015
    Mainstream Media Finally Exposing Shaken Baby Syndrome as False Diagnosis – How Many Innocent Parents Have Suffered?
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/mainstream-media-finally-exposing-shaken-baby-syndrome-as-false-diagnosis-how-many-innocent-parents-have-suffered/

    Is Shaken Baby Syndrome Often Misdiagnosed and Caused by Vaccine-Induced Rickets? http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/01/06/is-shaken-baby-syndrome-often-misdiagnosed-and-caused-by-vaccine-induced-rickets/

    Many Experts Have Discredited Shaken Baby Syndrome. So Why Is Maria Mendez Still in Prison?
    http://www.laweekly.com/news/many-experts-have-discredited-shaken-baby-syndrome-so-why-is-maria-mendez-still-in-prison-4137146

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • Study two.

    Pneumonia is estimated to cause 2 million deaths every year in children.

    We also found an efficacy of 16% (3-28) against mortality.

    Yet the vaccine was 77% efective?

    110 serious adverse events arose in children given the pneumococcal vaccine compared with 131 in those who received placebo. (How can the placebo group actually have more adverse events than the vaccinated group?)

    Study four.

    Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2005 Jan 25;(1):CD001093.

    Polysaccharide vaccines for preventing serogroup A meningococcal meningitis.

    Menomune – One Mother’s Harrowing Experience with the Meningitis Vaccine
    http://www.healthsentinel.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2718%3Amenomune-one-mothers-harrowing-experience-with-the-meningitis-vaccine&catid=5%3Aoriginal&Itemid=24

    MENINGITIS MAYHEM: Vaccine Damaged Child ~ Virginia Young & Host Sallie Elkordy
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/intheknowwithsallieelkordy/2015/06/02/meningitis-mayhem-vaccine-damaged-child-virginia-young-host-sallie-elkordy

    Study five.

    Lancet. 2014 Jun 21;383(9935):2136-43. doi: 10.1016/S0140-6736(13)62630-6. Epub 2014 Mar 12.

    Efficacy of a monovalent human-bovine (116E) rotavirus vaccine in Indian infants: a randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial.

    Millions of Children Infected with ‘Vaccine Safety Experts’ Rotateq Vaccine: Dr. Paul Offit

    Unfortunately for Dr. Offit (not so affectionately named Dr. Profit), a 2010 study published in Journal of Virology revealed that his multi-million dollar grossing patent on the Rotateq vaccine contains a live simian retrovirus (with a 96% match of certainty) that has likely infected millions of children over the past few years with a virus that causes great harm. Retrovirus infections are permanent, and can carry on indefinitely into future generations. In other words, once they are inserted into the human genome they can not be removed. View the entire PDF here.

    Moreover, a 2014 study published in Advances in Virology found Dr. Offit’s vaccine contains a “a baboon endogenous virus strain M7…likely due to the monkey cell line in which RotaTeq was produced from.” View the entire PDF here.

    Read more:
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/breaking-news-millions-children-infected-vaccine-safety-experts-rotateq-vaccine

    VACCINE CONTAMINATION: A THREAT TO HUMAN HEALTH
    http://www.nvic.org/Downloads/Rotavirus-Campaign/VACCINE-CONTAMINATION–A-THREAT-TO-HUMAN-HEALTH.aspx

    Rotavirus Vaccines Still Contaminated With Pig Virus DNA
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/rotavirus-vaccines-still-contamined-pig-virus-dna

    How Vaccinated Kids Infect The Non-Vaccinated

    One of the five studies referenced in the passage above confirming that the vaccinated can infect the non-vaccinated, “Sibling transmission of vaccine-derived rotavirus (RotaTeq) associated with rotavirus gastroenteritis,” published in 2009, is the first report in the literature to identify the transmission of rotavirus vaccine-derived virus to unvaccinated contacts resulting in symptomatic rotavirus gastroenteritis requiring emergency medical attention:

    Read more:
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/how-vaccinated-kids-infect-non-vaccinated

    Pediatrics. 2010 Feb;125(2):e438-41. doi: 10.1542/peds.2009-1901. Epub 2010 Jan 25.
    Sibling transmission of vaccine-derived rotavirus (RotaTeq) associated with rotavirus gastroenteritis.

    Abstract

    Although rotavirus vaccines are known to be shed in stools, transmission of vaccine-derived virus to unvaccinated contacts resulting in symptomatic rotavirus gastroenteritis has not been reported to our knowledge. We document here the occurrence of vaccine-derived rotavirus (RotaTeq [Merck and Co, Whitehouse Station, NJ]) transmission from a vaccinated infant to an older, unvaccinated sibling, resulting in symptomatic rotavirus gastroenteritis that required emergency department care. Results of our investigation suggest that reassortment between vaccine component strains of genotypes P7[5]G1 and P1A[8]G6 occurred during replication either in the vaccinated infant or in the older sibling, raising the possibility that this reassortment may have increased the virulence of the vaccine-derived virus. Both children remain healthy 11 months after this event and are without underlying medical conditions.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20100758

    The Emerging Risks of Live Virus &
    Virus Vectored Vaccines:
    Vaccine Strain Virus Infection, Shedding & Transmission
    http://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/Live-Virus-Vaccines-and-Vaccine-Shedding.pdf

    I am not impressed. And did you have any studies that are actually done in developed countries, like the US?

  • Increased production of antibodies found in a clinical trial or subsequent study, does NOT assure efficacy nor immunity to any pathogen.

  • The Gardasil clinical trials never used any saline placebo in their comparisons of systemic effects. They used a so called placebo containing the aluminum adjuvant, and as well another placebo containing the HPV virus like particles, in carrier solution, and that was a new vaccine.

    Additionally no new vaccine clinical trail should EVER use as a placebo a previous similar vaccine, as that is not a true comparison, as systemic effects could have been missed in the previous trial. Otherwise as well what is their excuse for not using a true saline placebo, if they are really looking for the truth, and to assure vaccine safety? Then you read that the placebo group had nearly as many or more adverse reactions than the vaccinated group. That to me, signifies a form of and an example of junk science.

  • Here is what they did. When they found that the polio vaccine was not working nearly as well as they had hoped for, they simply changed the diagnosis and the definition of the disease. How many cases of polio did that change and move alone, cause to disappear from their figures?

    The Present Status of Polio Vaccines (Document written in the 1950’s) Clearly and obviously the change in polio diagnosis and re-definition right after the vaccine was in use, significantly reduced the polio case numbers, and not the polio vaccine.
    http://www.greatmothersquestioningvaccines.com/uploads/2/8/8/8/2888885/ratner_1960.pdf

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Repeated findings of outbreaks of both pertussis and measles, with a vaccine failure finding of 80 to 90% in the outbreak that had been fully vaccinated on schedule. Why didn’t the CDC inform anyone of that?

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • Oh, but you know what; their whole system still remains the leading cause of death in the US. Are you actually impressed with that?

    Death By Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    And in part, here is why.

    The False Foundations of Modern Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

  • sabelmouse

    and gmo science.

  • I was vaccinated for measles, and still had the measles?
    I have not been vaccinated in over 4 decades, and there are existing thousands of adults like me, who have never been revaccinated since childhood; or very minimally.

    How do you explain that polio, diphtheria, measles and rubella, etc, etc; are not now just running rampant with outbreaks? If small pox was eradicated by vaccine, what has prevented it from coming back, and without any active vaccine program?

    The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

  • You mean that the evidence to claim to that it was not the vaccines, is just not there. Vaccines are the greatest source of unknown for cause coincidence, on planet earth.

  • Bad choice. Start reading.

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

  • sabelmouse

    and it’s the only one as far as i remember, not quite a scrape though either. i think it’s you who’s clueless and just fyi, at this moment in time it’s scientism that rules, not science.

  • sabelmouse

    lol, every pro shill should.

  • sabelmouse

    because it’s all the same! inject some air, will you!

  • Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS): Major Causes are Known but Ignored
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/sudden-infant-death-syndrome-sids-major-causes-are-known-but-ignored/

  • To simple isn’t it. It has been known the cause all along, and yet ignored because it points directly at vaccines as the cause, and with a simple non drug answer and solution.

    Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS): Major Causes are Known but Ignored
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/sudden-infant-death-syndrome-sids-major-causes-are-known-but-ignored/

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • chemfreemom

    Absolutely.

  • Dr. Benway

    Considering that the last story Augustina posted was so full of lies that it had to be taken down to avoid a lawsuit, I don’t think this one should be believed either.

  • Dr. Benway

    Hello, “Doctor” Jack.
    What are you peddling today?

  • Dr. Benway

    What in the @#$%! is all this dissembling? Are you denying that viruses exist and that no diseases are caused by them?

  • Actual science

    Can anyone find statistics on SIDS/Cot Death pre 1950’s (mass vaccination era)? I can’t find any records because the numbers must have been non-existent before vaccination was introduced.

  • chemfreemom

    I don’t doubt that you’re smart. And, I’m sure that if you are a doctor and are developing a vaccine, you truly believe you are helping save lives. However, this is really about a different philosophy about what constitutes good health. I understand how doctors come to believe that vaccines are the way to good health. In med school you’re taught to believe that they are the greatest contribution to good health ever–the cornerstone of good health. You’re given one-sided, skewed statistics to support this theory. Also, med students are definitely given an extensive education on what is considered the cutting edge in medicine. They are made to dpfeel special because of this educational after all, saving lives is a noble thing! This leads many doctors to feel that they have superior intelligence. When questioned, most doctors are insulted, as if the questioner doesn’t respect their intelligence, education, and expertise. They think those who question them, just are ignorant of “the science.”. However, there are more doctors and scientists coming forward every day who had the same training you did, and even more, who’ve actually looked at the statistics more closely, and who’ve read the huge numbers of studies that show there is a problem with vaccines, and who have changed their minds. It’s virtually impossible to read the science on the other side of this issue objectively, and NOT change your mind. Doctors, because of their education, are the least likely to be objective. You pay a fortune to go to school for many years to learn what you’re told is the cutting edge in medical science, and therefore, believe you know a lot more than most people. You read published articles and studies that seem to support what you’re taught. You KNOW you’re saving lives. You never entertain the thought “what if everything I’ve been taught about vaccines and health is wrong?”. What if the science that supports vaccines as the way to good health, is faulty and/or corrupt? Journal executives have admitted that especially when these studies and articles are done by pharmaceutical companies, or those paid by them, they overlook pertinent data that points to a problem with their drug. Whistleblowers from the CDC, FDA, and frog companies have said fraud is being committed with regard to vaccines and drugs. Perhaps you fall under the category of those think a small number of vaccine injuries and deaths are acceptable because they save so many lives.

    If you look at the CDC’s own statistics, you’ll see this isn’t true. Only about 400 people per year died from measles before the vaccine came out. This was at a

  • Dr. Benway

    Yes, anything that occurred before a process to gather statistics for it was started, or a technical name was developed for it automatically didn’t even exist before then. That’s how we know that cavemen never had cancer. No cave drawing with the word “cancer” has ever been found.

    Of course, before the “vaccination era”, it was quite common to lose children to any number of now preventable diseases. Things were so much better then, weren’t they?

  • Elaine

    What are your qualifications, as “Dr. Benway”? Are you an M.D.? or PhD? a practicing physician in what area of medicine or in another discipline? Is your degree earned or honorary? Just curious about the commentator.

  • Actual science

    They didn’t have pencils and paper in the 1950’s to record cause of death? How come you think it was quite common to lose children to ‘preventable’ (really?) diseases before 1950? Where did you get your figures if they couldn’t make records? Doh! You trolls are thicker than mince, honestly!

  • Christina Jackson

    She had a cytokine storm reaction. Evident by the discharge.

  • km

    Unfortunately, we will have to endure more cases like this as long as Big Pharma is protected. This is nothing short of medical tyranny that our Congress has subjugated the American people to. Big Pharama makes huge profits but are totally protected from lawsuits because Congress granted them immunity in 1986. We the taxpayers are paying for the damages they are causing. Sound familiar? Privatizing
    profits while socializing risk!! If you want to change this, please sign this petition

    petitions.moveon.org/sign/repe…
    facebook.com/pages/Repeal-The-…

    Kindly pass this on to everyone you know. Together, hopefully, we can make a difference!

  • Tymbre

    First of all when a child has a fever or swelling you put a cool compress on not warm. Inflammation of tissue is typically warm to the touch a warm rag would only make it worse. It is scary but when taking vaccines you must know the risks. Imagine if a child didn’t have vaccines and contracted one of those diseases trying to be prevented. I couldn’t imagine the suffering. Just need to know what to prepare for afterwards and how to handle their pain

  • Dr. Benway

    If you want to know about my qualifications, just read the writings of William S. Burroughs.

  • It was explain to me like this.

    The cytokine storm would be found in the tissues of the lungs. That is where the mast cells are that cause the severe histamine reaction which causes the foamy mucus found in the SIDS babies.

    People are not told what SIDS really is. You see like with the measles as an example. We breath the pathogens and viruses all the time. If a child has already been in contact with the virus through respiration then let’s say some of the virus may be trapped in the cells of the lung tissues. When a child gets the measles vaccine the immune system will recognize the measles virus in those cells and an immune response happens. You have the Ige activated which in turn activates the mast cells that produce histamine and for the lungs the foamy mucus in an effort to rid the virus. Now because of the severe immune response and the prolonged immune response healthy tissue is affected and you end up with a cytokine storm.

    When a person receives a vaccination the toxins and the virus activate the immune system to excess because of the aluminum mainly.

    The whole brain has mast cells but the hypothalmus is the one that is affected the most by this process.

    Now the IgE is activated which causes an allergic reaction. Now you have histamine released through out the body. The aluminum opens the BBB and because of that the mast cells in the brain are activated and produce histamine = brain inflammation.

    Now on to the rest of the body. There are mast cells around the mitocondria. These mast cells can also become activated and release histamine. When you have an intense reaction the histamine’s inflammatory response can damage the mitocondria which is what can Cause a bunch of stuff like ALS.

    Also, excessive inflammation can damage the vagus nerve. The vagus nerve tries to regulate the immune response. With the new vaccines now the vagus nerve becomes so over worked that it becomes damaged. Let’s look at it this way. It is like a wire that lights one light bulb. When you add 50 light bulbs it burns out.

    We have two vagus nerves in our body. They both control different things. One will control the lungs and heart and the other may control digestion and the stomach.

    It is more complex than that but you get the gist of the process.

    Now you add that the vaccines can cause histamine intolerance and you have the perfect storm that perpetuates itself every time you eat because all foods have a certain amount of histamine. So you can’t win. The best you can do is a low histamine diet.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagus_nerve

    http://www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/vagus-nerve

    Cynthia Janak: Histamine, Vaccines, and Disease – March 4 on Holy Hormones Honey!
    http://holyhormones.com/vaccinations/cynthia-janak-histamine-vaccines-and-disease-march-4-on-holy-hormones-honey/

    Vaccine Mechanism of Harm Exposed in Gardasil Vaccine
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/vaccine-mechanism-of-harm-exposed-in-gardasil/

    Vaccine mechanism of harm exposed
    By Cynthia A. Janak
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/150210

  • Dr. Benway

    Yes, you raise an important point. Since pencils and paper DID exist in the 1950’s (and even before that) then these types of deaths WERE being recorded on death certificates.

    However, they were not recorded in databases that can be looked up on the internet.

    So all you have to do then is manually review a decade’s worth of death records on paper, contained in countless locations across the country and you will find your answer.

    When you said “I can’t find any records because . . .” the next part of your sentence should have been “because I have not looked in the places where they will be found.” instead of drawing a conclusion based on your lack of effort.

  • So what you are saying is that the immune system was not designed for, and can never handle any, or many of the illnesses that vaccines are so called designed to prevent? You are saying that there are no other nor better ways to keep a child healthy, and in and as to the keeping the advantage of having their immune systems stay strong and working properly, and without the dysregulation of toxic and contaminated vaccines? What you are saying is that the risk of fear mongered about DISEASES, is worth the multiple vaccines given and injected at one time, benefit? Is that correct?

  • Dr Benway is a fictional book character, that lacks a conscience and is more interested in his surgical performance than his patients’ well-being. This person assumed that character identity. How fitting.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Benway

  • Capt Ron

    The first reference reads like an opinion piece, not research.

    The second reference you’ve cited… I fully understand that you’re not in a position to know this kind of thing but most of V.K. Singh’s work in autism study has never been replicated plus he uses unvalidated methodologies that are prone to false positives. Independent replication is a gold standard for validation of research.

  • ladykatie25

    Yeah. Living through measles and mumps is so much worse than dying.

  • Capt Ron

    Mindless nitpick heaven here, I see! I used “EU” as a generic term, not political. I was referring to “European” – Does that really make any difference?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Oh, look! Antivaxers grazing mainstream literature have found a little morsel to try to turn into a silver bullet! Let’s look at a recent survey of multiple studies. Hmmm. Vaccinated kids with no significant difference in allergies in some other studies, and less(!) in others. Likweise,

    The committee found that evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between multiple immunizations and increased risk for infections and for type I diabetes. They also found that epidemiological evidence regarding risk for allergic disease, particularly asthma, was inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship.

  • ladykatie25

    Yeah. Living through measles and mumps is so much worse than dying from the vaccines designed to prevent them.

  • discripplemation

    Right… it had nothing to do with putting the baby in a bed instead of a crib, and with another, larger person. Why was the child facing the wall when she found her? Who puts their baby to sleep any other way besides on their back? I have never seen such a load of bullsmuck in my life. THE BABY SUFFOCATED. Holy crud balls, you ppl are nuts….

  • Lisa Mair

    It seems that every doctor and researcher who has found problems with vaccines are discredited and maligned. Coincidence? I think not.

  • Lisa Mair

    If she had suffocated, the autopsy would have clearly shown that.

  • ladykatie25

    Back in 1956 my four month old sister died after being vaccinated. She spiked a super high fever that my mother tried everything she could to bring down. Mom always said if she had just put her in her crib instead of not leaving her side, they’d have probably ruled it “crib death” when they found her the next morning. Mom finally called the doctor, who came to the house late at night, (they did that back then) and he told her to meet him at the hospital. Within 20 minutes my sister went into convulsions and died. No autopsy was done and no known cause of death was given. Her shots weren’t even considered a possible factor. We lived in a very small community and were never taken out in public very often. Where could my sister have possibly been exposed to something? Very unlikely she was. To this day I firmly believe it was the vaccines.

  • Actually the Neurotoxicology paper is supported by numerous other studies and available reference data.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    No replication done of anything ever, right?

    Singh VK. Th1- and Th2-like cytokines in CD4+ and CD8+ T cells in autism. J Neuroimmunol. 1998 May 1;85(1):106-9.

    Singh VK, Jensen RL. Elevated levels of measles antibodies in children with autism. Pediatr Neurol. 2003 Apr;28(4):292-4.

    Singh VK, Lin SX, Yang V. Serological association of measles virus and human herpesvirus-6 with brain autoantibodies in autism. Clin Immun Immunopathol. 1998 Oct:89(1):105-108.

    Singh VK, Lin SX, Newell E, Nelson C. Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism. J Biomed Sci. 2002;9:359-364.

    Singh VK, Warren RP, Odell JD, Warren WL, Cole P. Antibodies to myelin basic protein in children with autistic behavior. Brain Behav Immun. 1993 Mar;7(1):97-103.

    Research Studies, (Endless studies).
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

  • Lisa Mair

    Thank you so much for sharing that info.

  • Anna Stevens

    you guys, you can vaccinate your kids on schedule and still not allow them to receive more than one shot per visit.

  • teach62

    The U.S. Has the highest numbers of autistic children in the world ! We also mandate the most vaccines in the world from birth-2. I believe the numbers fall between 38 and 46 vaccines.Think there maybe a Correlation? Duh!!

  • Lisa Mair

    Hey sciencerules – I’m enjoying this banter. But I have a serious question for you. If you are seriously creating a vaccine, then you must know a bit about vaccines and what is put in them. Why do vaccine makers think it’s a good idea to inject aluminum directly into the blood stream? Are you planning to use an aluminum adjuvant with your vaccine?

  • Lisa Mair

    Let’s not forget the potential negative effects of the shots pregnant moms are given.

  • Sciencerules

    Aluminum has been used for many decades as an adjuvant to enhance the immune response. When vaccines are delivered they aren’t injected “directly into the blood stream”, however. Most vaccines are subcutaneous, but a few are intramuscular. For subcutaneous vaccines, the general idea is that antigen presenting cells within and below the skin ingest the vaccine components and then “present them” to helper T cells, which can then facilitate an appropriate immune response. As for IM injections, they are designed to ultimately be absorbed into the blood stream. Only a few of the IM vaccines given to kids, namely the HepA (sometimes) and HPV (also sometimes) contain aluminum. Many of the other vaccines that have aluminum are sub-cutaneous, and the majority of the viral vaccines don’t have adjuvants at all. Also, the amount of aluminum in a shot is small compared to the maximum allowable amount, and in addition, people ingest more aluminum than is provided via vaccination. Now, you may choose not to “believe” the CDC and FDA, as many on this board do not, but they are the ones doing most of the studies and the FDA in particular is the agency charged with regulating medications (and recalling them, as needed). http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/adjuvants.html
    http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/ScienceResearch/ucm284520.htm

    As far as my lab’s vaccine goes, we are not giving it with an adjuvant, but rather are conjugating the vaccine epitope to a benign delivery virus to stabilize the peptide and induce an immune response. If the protection we see is incomplete, we may modify the peptide sequence or consider adding an adjuvant. TB is a horrible global killer, particularly for children and people with AIDS, for which we have no effective vaccine, so we are working hard towards providing a new approach to prevention.

  • Lisa Mair

    It’s not actually all the same… Injecting pathogens directly into the blood stream is not the same as eating them (or getting a cut on your skin for that matter). If it were the same, we would eat our vaccines.

  • The CDC schedule includes 49 doses of 14 vaccines before the age of 6, and 69 doses of 16 vaccines, and to include the dangerous and unproven Gardasil, by the age of 18. It shows what appear to be 34 doses vaccine by the age of 2.
    http://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/49-Doses-PosterB.pdf

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/easy-to-read/child-easyread.html
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/child-adolescent.html

    What Every Parent Must Know: This Occurs Before the Age of 6
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/03/right-vaccine-dosage-for-babies.aspx

  • Sciencerules

    We do “eat our viruses”, lots of them. Our DNA is also chock full of “dead” viruses that integrated themselves into our genome. As I said on another post, some vaccines (like small pox) are inoculated in just this way, directly onto the skin. Other vaccines, like the oral polio, oral typhoid or rotavirus vaccine are also given by mouth, while others can be given intranasally (influenza) or by inhalation. Many of the vaccines are given by a shot because they are simply proteins or carbohydrates and they would be degraded by the stomach if given orally.

  • Sciencerules

    It’s not considered replication when the same author publishes the same thing, over and over again, in non-peer reviewed journals. Note how Singh VK is the author on every “paper”.

  • Sciencerules

    Here’s an experiment. Do have them visit areas endemic with vaccine preventable infectious diseases, and see what happens. There’s the meningitis belt in Africa to experience, or Pakistan with it’s outbreaks of polio. I’m sure they’ll be “just fine”.

  • Sciencerules

    Yersinia pestis went away because of one of the first great discoveries in public health and epidemiology. Connecting the plague to fleas on rats was a big accomplishment, and getting rid of the rats helped eliminate the fleas. It’s the same reason we cull birds during avian flu outbreaks.

  • Sciencerules

    What gives you and all the other armchair doctors the arrogance to suppose you “know better” than the medicine and science communities, that have been conducting legitimate, hypothesis driven research for centuries?

  • Sciencerules

    Like you are some sort of expert, citing the same discredited “research” and unverifiable blog posts? You are alive today because of medicine. Be grateful.

  • Sciencerules

    Wow, not 1000s of micrograms?! That’s such giant number. Maybe we should say millions of nanograms!!!!! Or billions of picograms!!!! OH NO!!!! We’re injecting BILLIONS of picograms of aluminum. The sky is falling!!!!!!

    Why are all of your links from the same ridiculous anti-vaccine websites? Why isn’t even one from a legitimate source? Hmmm, tough one there.

  • Sciencerules

    This is such a load of gibberish it’s hard to tease out which paragraph is more incoherent. Just because you toss around words like mast cell, IgE and vagus nerve doesn’t make it true. Ugh.

  • Lisa Mair

    Thank you for the thorough response. I wish that pharmaceutical companies would find a less toxic adjuvant. Research shows that aluminum is highly neurotoxic and is not safe at any level. It might be a small amount per shot, but it adds up, especially when you add in the other sources of aluminum in our environment. I do see that the FDA and CDC say first in every article that aluminum has been used for 70 years or decades, as if that proves it is safe. We have such an epidemic of all chronic disease, especially neurological illnesses. Alzheimers and dementia are becoming an expected part of getting older. Everyone proclaimed the safety of mercury in shots, but still quietly removed them from most shots. I wonder why. We need to find a better way. Especially if the government is going to start making vaccines mandatory.

  • Sciencerules

    Alzheimers and dementia are prevalent because we are living longer, and in particular, are outliving our evolutionary utility. Once you reproduce, everything else is just gravy from the standpoint of evolution, so humans don’t really “need” to live fruitfully to 100. That’s why we are also seeing lots of cancers and heart disease. In 1850 the lifespan of an average American was 35. Now it is 75-80. As far as thimerasol (which isn’t mercury as you know it), it was removed under significant pressure, and there has been no change since then in the rate of autism.

  • Jeannie Brinkley

    you should never ever get more than 1 vaccine at a time….I had the best pediatrician for my 5 children…when I did my research about the vaccines he agreed that no child should receive ALL the vaccines at the same time…meant more dr visits but I knew specifically what symptoms to look for if there was a reaction….I have 5 children and although it seems I was at the dr every month I made an informed decision by doing research on my own and weighed the options and made the decision to have only 1 vaccine at a time…the CDC schedule is a guidline..it is not written in stone…..parents really need to proactive instead of reactive when it comes to the health of their children….I was fortunate that I was a stay at home mom and I think that so many families have both parents working that in order to ‘save time’ they let that factor determine things rather than common sense…,adults know better than to take a handful of medications at the same time…why would you get 7 vaccines at the same time????

  • fodor

    Lowell just says anything that he doesn’t want to believe is “without merit”. Usually he also calls the person that posted it “twisted” or a “troll”.
    It’s just his way of not dealing with the truth.

  • fodor

    No it is not coincidence. Nor would it be coincidence if everyone that claimed the sun orbits the earth were ridiculed, either.
    Being discredited and maligned is the price you pay when you put your name to badly done science, or as in the case of Wakefield, commit scientific fraud.

  • Robert Hakes

    This website is harmful because idiots actually believe this shit.

  • Hannah Haha

    Many thousands of children around the world sleep with parents on a nightly basis. Also, I put my son to sleep on his back every time, but he prefers to sleep on his side so he rolls over. Do you suggest I never sleep again so I can make sure to keep him on his back? What is nuts is that in this day and age they can still get away with a diagnoses of SIDS or unknown cause. We can clone a human being, but “can’t” figure out why a perfectly healthy baby dies suddenly? That’s the bullshit alright. We all know that vaccines have the potential to cause death, even the hardest of supporters admit that, so why is it such a stretch to believe that they were in fact responsible for this childs death?

  • Hannah Haha

    Robert, Robert, Robert. Didn’t your mother teach you if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all. It is well known that any medical procedure comes with risk, vaccines included. The real shit is that some people find it necessary to totally deny that vaccines have ever hurt anyone because if they admit that they have then they have to admit that it’s possible that they were responsible for this childs death. Since they say they don’t know the cause that leaves the door open to blame vaccines. It’s not positive, but absolutely possible. Also please keep in mind most people questioning vaccine safety are upper middle class well educated individuals. No wonder we have such a problem with bullying in our schools..look at the examples set before parents. If you don’t like what someone says or thinks just insult them.

  • Capt Ron

    “Death after Quadravalent Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Vaccination: Causal or Coincindental?”

    Another study from that dynamic duo, Tomljenovic & Shaw, who continually to churn out “research” (funded by an anti-vax foundation) outside of their specialty (Ophthalmology). This time it was all about neuropathology & immunohistochemical staining which are highly specialized fields. What were they thinking?

  • ScubaTeacher

    This is a horribly sad story – no parent should ever have to endure the loss of a child. It is also understandable that any parent who loses a child would want an answer – the question, “Why?” must torment them.

    However, to jump to the conclusion that vaccinations were the cause of this baby’s death is irresponsible. There has been quite a lot of research about SIDS and the fact is that it is nearly impossible to tell the difference between SIDS and accidental suffocation. The fact that this baby was sleeping in a bed with a sibling quite possibly could have resulted in the baby suffocating.

    Frothy discharge is common with suffocation/smothering – see
    http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/asphyxia/suffocation-smothering

    It is much more likely that the baby suffocated, which is awful. Many researchers of SIDS are working on determining why SIDS babies do not seem to have the same reactions to hypoxia (lack of oxygen) as other babies. Most babies will turn their heads when they aren’t getting enough oxygen but SIDS babies seem to not do that appropriately. There is some good information here as well:
    http://www.sids-network.org/experts/carroll2.htm

  • ScubaTeacher

    Lisa that’s actually not true – there is no way to distinguish between SIDS and accidental suffocation.

    http://sids.org/what-is-sidssuid/sids-accidental-suffocation/

    Actually, the information that the mother gave in her story actually corroborates the fact that it was likely suffocation as bloody, frothy discharge is common in suffocation.
    http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/asphyxia/suffocation-smothering

  • It’s like talking to a wall or a dead horse. What you guys just don’t get is that THERE ARE NO VACCINE PREVENTABLE DISEASES! VACCINES ARE A HOAX! A FAIRY TALE! NONE OF THEM PREVENT DISEASE. THEY CREATE DISEASE!!!!! AM I MAKING MYSELF PERFECTLY CLEAR?????

  • AutismDad

    Here Ron I’m sending you an imaginary tissue to dab your tears. Funny how gold standard and replication doesn’t apply to fast tracked vaccines for profit.

  • AutismDad

    Or if you are Paul Offit and you claim a child could handle 10,000 vaccines. The only thing saving children is that we don’t have that many. We hear plenty dieing after 7 or 8, so how Vaccine Messiah Offit 4 Profit could utter such insanity shows what his ilk is capable of supporting. To them the body count is just science.

  • AutismDad

    So why doesn’t he do what all dishonest scientist do, get another criminal to peer review it? Could it be he is too honest?

  • AutismDad

    They claim aluminum adjuvants (read poison) causes a greater response to the vaccine. HUH? Its a response to the Al and nothing else. Shows the mindset of these fraudulent scientists.

  • Lynn Achey

    I am against any type of vaccine. Putting small doses of diseases into our babies makes no sense to me at all. My oldest child was born on Okinawa and I refused to allow her to be vaccinated. It was a real fight to get the U.S.A. To allow me to bring her back to America. But in the end they allowed it. only after my husband who was a medic and his friend who was a Dr. filled out her immunization records saying she had received all of her vaccinations. The record was a complete lie but the Dr. Understood our feelings and agreed we had the right to make the decision. I then had 2 more children after returning to the U.S. And they never received vaccinations either. But MY son is allowing his children to be vaccinated going against my wishes. Praise be to God my daughter is studying all of the vaccines and she is very particular if she allows any vaccinations to be given to her girls. I pray all parents will start investigating the need for vaccinations and study every bit of information they can get their hands on before allowing this barbaric practice to be allowed on their children. I trust the Lord more than I trust man.I am So very sorry for Ja’liyah and her family and I include you in my prayers that your pain will lessen soon and you will be able to concentrate on the many happy and wonderful times you had together. God be with you and bless you all. You have my deepest sympathies. Much love to you.

  • bev

    So sorry for your loss. Vaccines the biggest cause of coincidence.

  • Sciencerules

    When you submit a paper for peer review, it is anonymous. You don’t get to choose who reviews your work. Indeed, he probably knows his work won’t pass peer review so he doesn’t even bother.

  • Sciencerules

    Paul Offit’s work has been reviewed not only by the scientific community at large, but also the FDA. He has not committed fraud, lied about patients, or attempted any cover ups.

  • Sciencerules

    You know, typing in all caps doesn’t change the message. Anyway, please explain how small pox was eradicated if not by vaccine? What about polio?

  • AutismDad

    FDA??? I think what you mean is he’s done all the above BECAUSE of his affiliation with FDA.

  • AutismDad

    Buh Wah Ha Ha.

  • AutismDad

    In other words as we see every time, autism research is ignored and ridiculed so that it appears worthless. In the mean time FDA/CDC and all mainstream medicine don’t do any work in that field because its potential evidence.

  • AutismDad

    Yea I replicated some of it after my 2nd coffee this morning.

  • Mike P

    I do need to point out that the HepB vaccine is administered within hours of birth. Usually between 4-12 hours. Something that needs to be looked at. Most Jaundice cases are observed directly after the administration of HepB yet the possible correlation is overlooked. Although there is not sufficient evidence or epi studies that link this to the HepB vaccine, it warrants a closer look to determine either way. Too many unanswered questions in this area, however, I do agree that we CANNOT blame everything on vaccines.

  • Sciencerules

    He’s not affiliated with the FDA. He works at Children’s Hospital at the University of Pennsylvania. He’s accomplished more in one year than you will in a lifetime. Show some respect.

  • Sciencerules

    You mean like taking 3-4 medicines for HIV at once, which is the standard of care? Or 4 medicines for tuberculosis, which is also the standard of care? Or multiple medications for diabetes, or high blood pressure?

  • Mike P

    But Andrew…

    “They also found that epidemiological evidence regarding risk for
    allergic disease, particularly asthma, was inadequate to accept or
    reject a causal relationship.”

    Neither accept or reject? Taking a negative to prove a positive? I didn’t expect that from you.

  • fodor

    Oooh – Suzanne Humphries!
    A genuine American Loon:

    http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2013/11/783-suzanne-humphries.html?m=1

  • AutismDad

    I prescribe a coffee enema

  • fodor
  • AutismDad

    Hey Dr Ben Gay

  • fodor

    Rates have been dropping for years. There is no connection to vaccination, of course, but research and public education about proper positioning of sleeping infants have contributed to the decrease.

  • AutismDad

    Your credibility is zero claiming no affiliation between Offit and FDA. That’s like claiming Al Copone wasn’t a member of a bootlegging gang.

  • fodor

    Offit caculated that a child’s immune system could handle 10,000 different antigens sumultaneosly. Therefore, receiving several vaccines at the same time is far from being a problem.
    Do you have any scientific evidence that contradicts this? If not, why do you make fun of this concept?

  • Sciencerules

    Once again, prove it.

    Only one of us actually works in medicine, knows how papers and grants are reviewed, patents approved, clinical trials done, and medicines approved. That would be me.

  • AutismDad

    Then you have guilt to hide. I don’t

  • Sciencerules

    For helping people, nah…. You, on the other hand, have a know-nothing existence filled with hatred and paranoia. I pity you. Really, I do.

  • AutismDad

    Stick it fool and get off your high horse. Your an elitist who thinks you are better than others because of what you do. Pitiful. You’re no one. One of billions thats all.

  • It’s easier to type in all caps and I don’t have time to answer your questions tonight. Smallpox was not eradicated any more than polio was. You cannot eradicate a virus or a bacteria. They are always going to be present somewhere. It’s the “incidence” of the disease that diminishes and for the answer to this we have to look to Antoine Beschamps and his theory that “the germ is nothing; the terrain is everything”. But we are not discussing that tonight.

  • Sciencerules

    See, that’s the thing. I will leave a lasting and vital scientific and medical legacy. You, on the other hand, will leave nothing.

  • Lisa Mair

    There is actually something called Younger Onset Dementia (YOD) – because it is becoming more prevalent for younger people as well. As far as cancer goes – have you seen the huge, lavish children’s cancer hospitals? Our society is suffering from the diseases of old age at younger and younger ages. Type II diabetes is another example. I’m not trying to imply that vaccines have a role in all of these. Dementia and aluminum toxicity are concerning however.

  • AutismDad

    How would he CALCULATE that? Buh Wah Ha Ha . This from a guy who claims vaccines are safe anf effective and adverse events rare and mind. I guess they forgot to tell him about NVICP. Imagine the egg of his face when he finds out.

  • AutismDad

    Dr Joseph Mengele did too

  • Sciencerules

    I don’t know about so many lavish children’s CANCER hospitals but there are definitely quite a few children’s hospitals. Even if cancer diagnoses are rising in kids, which I’m not sure is true, some of that is probably down to improved diagnostics. Fifty years ago we didn’t have CT scans and MRIs to diagnose disease, so people (including kids) often died without a clear-cut diagnosis. The Type II diabetes epidemic is entirely due to obesity, which is definitely due to poor dietary habits, excess sugar and lack of physical exertion. Still, overall, people are living longer and healthier lives.

  • Sciencerules

    Godwin’s Law strikes again. You really need to up your game.

  • And what if aluminum adjuvant caused blood sludging, and multiple vaccine induced cytokine activity, and as well histamine created reactions shut down the breathing center in the brain stem? You would have the same thing. And what diagnostic tools and measures do pathologists and/or coroners have, and have they used to determine what actually took place in these unexplained infant deaths situations? They are actually still in the dark ages and in these situations, literally.

  • AutismDad

    My game is fine. Yours is a bore fest.

  • That is only your problem if your cognitive understanding does not grasp what is going on and put before you. And would you actually expect to understand anything, when you in your obvious and complete denial deliberately refuse to understand anything?

  • Sciencerules

    No. I can say that because I have a PhD in immunology. Everything you wrote is imaginary.

  • Do you have anything else of a mindless nature to contribute here? I know that you repeatedly present with the inability to do so, but just go ahead and point out the facts in anything here where my statements have been wrong?

  • That says nothing about your qualifications; unless you are now switching to another alter ego character name and fake identity; and that still says nothing.

  • That is right, the past known providers, Kaiser Permanente and/or the Lewin Group should easily be able to take case of that for the right amount of for profit cash.

  • And where was a choice made as to who reviewed any of those studies, and on that long list? They are published in multiple different journals. So now its not good enough for the same study author to replicate his own work and it has to be done by another source. Well, quite obviously there is a long list of studies there on that list which all collaborate the similarly known harm that the MMR vaccine has done. http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

  • Sciencerules

    The author chooses were to submit his work. He chooses if to send the paper to a peer reviewed journal. And thanks for the link to the Andrew Wakefield website. That makes it legit.

  • Does Offit have any scientific evidence to support his claims within the realms of actual vaccination science? No he does not. 10,000 vaccine antigens injected at the same time would cause a cytokine storm that would obviously be deadly. Far less than that was involved in the deadly 1918 flu pandemic.

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    Paul Offit The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/paul-offit—the-real-truth.html

  • Lisa Mair

    Right – but most relevant to the vaccine discussion is the dementia and aluminum.

  • Sciencerules

    Right. So, there’s no evidence that the minimal amount of aluminum given in vaccines to children is absorbed in significant amount or that it causes autism. Likewise, dementia typically occurs in one’s 60s, 70s and 80s, long after most vaccines have been administered.

  • Scuba teacher – What a ridiculous comment and totally inappropriate. You don’t have to jump very high to realize that was not a coincidence. You have been brainwashed. If the baby suffocated, why? Because the vaccine affected her whole body, in particular her lungs. You need to read Dr. Viera Scheibner’s report on cot death (SIDS) and vaccination. She was testing out a breathing monitor her husband invented for babies and was not expecting the results she got. After the babies received shots they experienced breathing stress, some more traumatic than others – some within hours and others several days later. They all underwent stress but some of them died. She said to her husband “What are we going to do? The vaccinations are killing the babies! She has spent 30 years trying to educate people but it’s hard to fight a billion dollar industry. I am going to cut and past a letter she wrote. It won’t come out very even and it’s long but I hope you will read it.
    You can visit her website – http://www.vierascheibner.com. Don’t be afraid to learn the truth. It may save your life.
    Dear Miss Pinkerton, Your name as a contact appears on the information flyer
    in relation to Hearing on Safety of Hepatitis B vaccine held on May18, 1999
    at 2247 Rayburn House Office Building? As my letterhead says, I am a
    Principal Research Scientist (Retired) and since1986, I have been involved in
    the study of vaccination and SIDS (Cot death) in Australia. The starting point
    was longitudinal recording of breathing of babies with computerised Cotwatch
    Breathing Monitor invented by my late husband, Leif Karlsson, who was a Swedish
    electronics engineer resident in Australia.

    Fortuitously, while recording breathing of a number of babies, many of them
    were vaccinated and we could see within one hour the effect of vaccination on
    the stress level in breathing on our computer printouts. This started me off
    to initiate a thorough research of vaccination issues as published in referenced
    medical journals of the likes of the Lancet, British Medical Journal, New England
    Journal of Medicine etc. and resulted in the documentation of the causal link
    between administration of a great variety of vaccines and serious reactions
    including permanent brain damage and death. Indeed, vaccination is the single
    biggest cause of SIDS.

    There is another aspect to problems with vaccination: contrary to what you
    may have heard even from some of those who are calling for the discontinuation
    of mandatory vaccination in the United States, vaccines do not prevent diseases.
    The presumed and publicised “eradication” of diseases like smallpox and polio,
    or Hib meningitis is a myth not supported by even the staunchest pro-vaccinators’
    research. Smallpox was on the way out, indeed epidemics disappeared decades
    before the WHO decided to conduct the final “eradication” campaign.

    It is also well-documented that the largest epidemics occurred in the most
    highly vaccinated populations, while whose who were unvaccinated, did not have
    the same epidemics. Smallpox still occurs, although on a much smaller scale,
    particularly in the countries suffering extreme conditions like wars or economic
    hardship in Africa, India and other parts of Asia (Nepal). The same factor which
    did away with bubonic plague, against which mass vaccinations have never been
    conducted, did away with smallpox, namely better nutrition –in reference to
    better Vitamin C status of populations in the Old and the New Worlds.

    Polio has not been eradicated by vaccination, it is lurking behind a redefinition
    and new diagnostic names like viral or aseptic meningitis. When the first, injectable
    polio vaccine was tested on some 1.8 million children in the United States in
    1954, within 9 days there was huge epidemic of paralytic polio in the vaccinated
    and some of their parents and other contacts. The US Surgeon General discontinued
    the trial for 2 weeks.

    The vaccinators then put their heads together and came back with a new definition
    of poliomyelitis. The old, classical, definition: a disease with residual paralysis
    which resolves within 60 days has been changed to a disease with residual paralysis
    which persists for more than 60 days. Knowing the reality of polio disease,
    this nifty but dishonest administrative move excluded more than 90% of polio
    cases from the definition of polio.

    Ever since then, when a polio-vaccinated person gets polio, it will not
    be diagnosed as polio, it will be diagnosed as viral or aseptic meningitis.
    According to one of the 1997 issues of the MMWR, there are some 30,000 to 50,000
    cases of viral meningitis per year in the United States alone. That’s where
    all those 30,000 – 50,000 cases of polio disappeared after the introduction
    of mass vaccination. One must also be aware that polio is a man-made disease
    since those well-publicized outbreaks are misrepresented that those huge outbreaks
    were causally linked to intensified diphtheria and other vaccinations at the
    relevant time.

    They even have a name for it: provocation poliomyelitis. JAMA (1993) published
    that the fall in the incidence of Hib meningitis occurred in the age group below
    the age of one year at the time when none of the Hib vaccines were even licensed
    for that age group. The recent outbreaks of meningitis in the US College students
    can be clearly linked to the enforced MMR vaccination as a condition for enrolment
    to Colleges in the U.S. The incidence of whooping cough increased three fold
    after 1978, which was the time when individual U.S. states started mandating
    vaccination as the enclosed pages from Hutchins et al. (1988) show. One does
    not have to be a rocket scientist to see this from the article.

    Unfortunately, one merely has to be a medical doctor not to understand their
    own data. Medicine developed a special kind of absurd reasoning, like the causal
    link between vaccination and the observed reactions has never been demonstrated,
    without defining just what exactly they would consider to constitute the evidence
    of the causal link and while publishing raw data which clearly shows the causal
    link between vaccination and the documented increased occurrence of diseases.
    JAMA in 1992 published that the incidence of whooping cough as based on hospital
    admission is up to 126,000 per year in the U.S. This is well and truly the pre-vaccine
    level.

    When they were testing the ascellular whooping cough vaccine in Sweden,
    as soon as the test babies were given 3 doses of the trial vaccine (meaning
    they were fully vaccinated) they had a huge epidemic of whooping cough in the
    fully vaccinated. They discontinued the trial before the targeted time of 2
    years. I also need to add, that practically all Swedish children below the age
    of 1 year participated in the trial.

    They expected 20 deaths and observed 45 (pus one accidental death) and yet
    this very significant increase was glossed over by saying that all deaths were
    judged unrelated to vaccination, even though there were deaths there within
    24 hours or a few days. Vaccinators failed to eradicate measles, so now they
    claim success in reducing measles incidence between 1970 and 1987. However,
    it has been published that the very unvaccinated Amish communities did not report
    a single case of measles between 1970 and 1987.

    Then, since 1987, both the unvaccinated Amish and the well vaccinated outside
    communities started experiencing huge outbreaks of measles. Quite obviously,
    vaccination was totally irrelevant. Quite likely, the sustained small outbreaks
    of measles between 1970-87 in the vaccinated was achieved by vaccination, which
    kept measles occurring. Indeed, measles and whooping cough epidemics in the
    U.S. and elsewhere occur mainly in the fully vaccinated populations. Instead
    of honestly admitting that vaccination failed, the vaccinators resorted to outrageous
    lies and misrepresentations.

    The worst desperado is the Shaken Baby Syndrome. I enclose my own paper
    on the subject, emphasizing that all those retinal haemorrhages and detachments
    which are considered as a fool-proof evidence of trauma (like shaking the babies
    by their parents or nannies) can and are caused by vaccination, as the enclosed
    Lancet and other papers show. [article is in our member packet…] Indeed, we
    don’t need any more research; everything we ought to know to realise that vaccines
    do not prevent diseases and that they are indeed causally implicated in causing
    diseases and very serious reactions, has already been published.

    I am sending you my book Vaccination which is based solely on the study
    of medical literature. [available to members from our lending library…] Knowing
    all this, I reached an inevitable conclusion that we don’t need any vaccines
    at all. There is only one immunity, natural immunity, which is achieved by going
    through the infectious diseases of childhood. No children at this age should
    die from any of these diseases: if they do, it is due to medical mismanagement,
    As I pointed it out at the seminars on dangers of vaccination organised by the
    Royal Australia College of GP’s (the postgraduate training program for GP’s),
    to which I was invited to present the case against vaccination, if doctors administer
    antibiotics to a child with measles, they are asking for trouble. Antibiotics,
    another sordid chapter in the medical assault on the immune system, knock out
    the gut flora, suppress the immune system and cause serious side effects while
    the affected children are going though infectious diseases.

    You may be told by some groups warning about side effects of vaccination
    that I am radical. Not only do I consider this highly defamatory, but also very
    unwise and illogical: is it radical knowing what I know (which includes ample
    published evidence that vaccines to not provide any benefit, because they do
    not protect against infectious diseases, and that reactions are very prevalent,
    affecting practically all vaccinated children to a lesser or greater degree)
    and therefore be against all vaccinations?

    Is it reasonable whilst knowing that one in about 270 children in California
    suffer autism, that one in 250 U.S. children suffers some form of serious behavioural
    and learning disability, not withstanding that one in 500 children develop leukaemia
    and cancer which are also caused by vaccination and knowing that infectious
    diseases are beneficial for children by priming and maturing the immune system
    and representing developmental milestones and still be looking for better vaccines?

    There is no such thing as a better vaccine: the introduction of the pathogen
    (and many other contaminating agents and toxic substances) is not going to result
    in immunity. Officially, the immunological research has been demonstrating since
    the turn of this century that vaccine injections do not immunize: they sensitise,
    make the recipients more susceptible to diseases which the vaccine is supposed
    to prevent, but also to a host of unrelated bacterial and viral infections.
    Vaccinated children suffer a never ending stream of ear infections, which in
    the U.S. alone cost some 3 billion dollars per year.

    A young Australian lady, living in England, organized one of my many seminars
    there and told me that her father told her “go to Viera’s seminars and do not
    vaccinate your children. All those ear infections, and problems like glue ear,
    are caused by vaccination”. When I asked her who is her father, she said “he
    is an ENT specialist in Brisbane, Australia”. I also asked her whether he tells
    other parents to do the same thing. This is not a singular example of the dishonesty
    of the vaccination system that they are afraid to take their own medicine.

    The Medical Observer in Australia published my response to an attack by
    a fanatical pro-vaccinator in which I challenged him to go on television, allow
    himself to be injected with the baby vaccines adjusted to his body weight by
    a doctor of my choice and in my presence (the article is enclosed). We haven’t
    heard from him. I think that this is a reasonable request to be issued to all
    vaccinators. And let’s just watch the horror in their eyes. I think that I outlined
    to you some of the essential facts about vaccination.

    Mandatory vaccination in the USA is indeed an arrogant insult to the American
    Constitution, freedom of choice and to just plain human decency and represents
    medical tyranny. It must be discontinued if the U.S. wants to continue claiming
    to be the guarantor of freedom for all and from all forms of tyranny. Charity
    starts at home.

    Dr. Viera Scheibner

  • Lisa Mair

    From what I’ve read, an experienced Medical Examiner can tell the difference. But who knows.

  • Lisa Mair

    Right. :P But the number of vaccines recommended keeps increasing. Younger people are getting more shots and more aluminum, and younger people are now getting dementia. Of course it’s just a correlation, but aluminum is bioaccumulative and it is a neurotoxin.

  • Sciencerules

    I’m not sure I agree with that. Aluminum is almost entirely bound by transferring and albumin in the blood, and then cleared by the kidneys. Very little accumulates except in cases of extreme excess or kidney failure.

  • Lisa Mair

    You have been led to believe that Wakefield and others who question vaccine safety are bad scientists, but have you ever thought that maybe you’re just automatically believing big pharma smear campaigns?

  • Go ahead and outline what you think caused this child’s death, Robert. And if you know it was not vaccines, and then go ahead and provide your evidence for that.

    Please provide me with some studies that have looked at the physiologically based safety profile of the entire and current 2015 vaccine schedule? Also would you provide some studies which have actually looked at the physiological safety profile of and in giving an infant or small child from 5 to up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit? I am sure that you will be posting all those existing studies very shortly, and good luck with that.

    Vaccines, the single greatest source of existing and unexplained coincidences, on planet earth..

  • How beyond mindless and twisted are your unrelated rationalizations; and do they get, any way? And you actually want and expect the readers here to consider you and your replies here on this article, as credible? Wow.

  • I can flat out say that you do not actually have a clue as to what goes on, and you know it. A PhD and working in a lab; your own lab did you say? And did you take several days time off from that; as otherwise how would you post replies on this article, 24 hrs a day?

  • Lisa Mair

    “Tissue aluminium concentration increases with age. Some studies have
    reported that the aluminium concentration in the bulk brain samples,
    neurofibrillary tangles (NFT) and plaques was higher in AD subjects than
    controls.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2782734/

  • Is that supposed to be actually somehow informative? Of course they choose to submit research studies to a journal of their choosing. Sometimes that is limited however to the particular type of research the journal directs to, and that is typically accepted and published.

    Are you biased much? Why is it that you can never address medical research studies directly, but to only bash and attempt to falsely discredit the source of the list of studies?

  • Go ahead and reference to that said CDC information that details that Offit has not committed any fraud? Go ahead and submit any evidence at all that the CDC has actually studied his claims for their accuracy? Name me one single so called scientific community that has agreed with the claim that infants and children can safety get 10,000 vaccines at once? If Offit was not comparing his said existing environmental antigens claim, directly to vaccines given; then what was he comparing it to? You are defending a mad man.

  • Then when are you going to provide some scientific evidence for the safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule? When are you going to provide the studies that show the actual safety profile of giving an infant and or small child from 5 to up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit? You say your educated and know all about the papers; so produce them? Do you actually think that no more study needs be done beyond a single vaccine clinical trial, done by the same people that profit from the vaccine? And do you not know and realize that big pharma and the FDA literally sleep in the same big corporate bed? Their FDA acceptance for example of the Gardasil clinical trials and with vaccine approval were actually the worst example of vaccine corruption, ever known.

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

  • Your repeat twisted delusions are just amazing.

  • Erin

    I think too many Doctors forget how vaccines actually work and how much of a toll they can take one someone, especially and infant. A vaccine is an extremely time dose of a disease that is given to your body through injection. Once it’s inside your body, your body can then create the necessary immunities to fight off the infection. The things your body creates are saved in a kind of “memory,” so if you ever DID get the real disease later on, you’re body would already be prepared to fight it off.

    However, these Doctors that pump 7 vaccines in to a baby’s leg and then say, “They’ll be alright.” – They’re crazy!!! You just put 7 DISEASES in that child at once!!! Their body cannot handle that!!! You have to go only one or two at a time, and space them out. That way, if there is some sort of allergic reaction or some other problem, you know what you’re dealing with and it can be handled.

  • Ruth

    Well, for some people valuing life, science, health and objective reality would feel like lunacy, especially if it goes against a strongly held ‘belief system’.

  • Ruth

    It’s hard to forget something, if they never knew enough about it in the first place. Vaccines are a ‘plastic’ immunity, not a natural one. They rely on the injection of adjuvants such as aluminium (a neurotoxin) in order to work. They wouldn’t work otherwise and it’s too expensive to find other ones.

  • Ursule Durand

    “De vaccinerede piger” (with English Subs) for international viewing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO2i-r39hok

  • Chris Palmer

    “Putting small doses of diseases into our babies makes no sense to me at all”

    And you married a MEDIC? Who has a DOCTOR for a friend? How did your marriage last?

  • susandanielspi

    Do not listen to the government. Everything in now a lie. There is no way that child should have gotten that many vaccines at once. My children got a total of three when they were little. If the government cannot convince someone to abort a baby, they are now finding other ways to kill them. Each vaccine is its own disease. I suspect the number of babies who die from vaccines is high but the government will never tell us.

  • guest

    Wow that is so heart felt troll, NOT!

  • guest

    If this website is so harmful, why are you here? Do you think you hit and run comment will have any impact other than people reading it and saying to themselves, good grief, what a dipsh–.

  • Dr. Benway

    And here we go . . . as soon as someone makes a valid point that Hubbs can’t answer to, he just starts calling names – “mindless”, “twisted”.
    Anyone can see – he’s got nothing.

  • Dr. Benway

    You are really reaching, here. No evidence exists that any of these things have ever happened, let alone in this particular baby.
    But I guess this is more mindless, twisted drivel from you.

  • guest

    There are many cogent article and studies online prior to the Vaccine Makers/CDC full frontal con on the American people prior to the 1986 NVICP. Still, M.E’s and sleazy doctors covered up Vaccine induced deaths by simply not reporting vaccines were administered within a month prior to the death of a child in the M.E. report or just outright lying when they know absolutely that voodoo ritual was the cause. Here is a statement from Dr. Eleanor Beans 1977 book titled: Swine Flu Expose.

    -Chapter 5 Falsified death certificates and medical records;
    Vaccination, which is entirely lacking in value to the human race, has been sustained by falsity. Records of the enormous number of deaths from vaccination have either been completely concealed or twisted to appear favorable to the people. The medical records, unfortunately, have been in the hands of the doctors who profit from the sale of vaccines and drugs and who, (by their own admission,) are more interested in their own financial gains than in the well-being of the public.

    Lawsuits and government investigations have been made from time to time, which brought some of the medical confessions into public view, just enough to show us that there is a great deal yet to be uncovered in this sordid game of murder for money.

    Dr. Henry May, a medical officer of health, wrote in the Birmingham Medical Review (Vol. 3. pp. 34 & 35,) the following statement which was obviously intended for doctors only:

    “In death certificates given by us voluntarily, and to which the public have access, it is scarcely to be expected that a medical man will give opinions which may tell
    against or reflect upon himself in anyway.. . . In such cases he will most likely tell the truth, but not the whole truth, and assign some prominent symptom of disease as the cause of death. As instances of cases which may tell against the medical man himself, I will mention erysipelas from vaccination, and puerperal fever. A death from the first cause (vaccination) occured not long ago in my practice, and although I had not vaccinated the child, yet, in my desire to preserve vaccination from reproach, I omitted all mention of it from my certificate of death.”

    As Dr. May was one of the medical heads, he set the pattern for other doctors to
    follow. If their bungling practices and poisons were deadly enough to kill the patients, it was made clear to them that they must not tell the truth on the death certificates. A number of convenient names of other diseases were suggested by Dr. May to cover their guilt.

    Dr. Maclean stated that “very few deaths from cowpox (vaccination) appear in the
    Bills of Mortality, (death records,) owing to the means which have been used to suppress a knowledge of them. . . . not because they did not happen, but because some practitioners were interested in not seeing them, and others who did see them were afraid of announcing what they knew.”

    In the report of the Royal Commission (England) Vol. IV, pages 194 to 478, we find a number of cases of vaccinal deaths that were not reported as such. For example: Mr. Payne gave evidence that he had a child who died of vaccination. The doctor told him that he had not the slightest doubt that the illness was the result of vaccination, but that he dared not put it on the certificate of death.

    In the same section we read: “Local Government Board inquiry into six deaths
    at Misterton, Linconshire, found all to have resulted from vaccination; and in all the cases, vaccination was not mentioned on the certificate of death. Local Government Board inquiry into four deaths from vaccination at Norwich, found that in three of these cases vaccination was not mentioned.”

    Although these few findings are from England, England is by no means the only country to conceal and falsify death certificates. The same type of lawlessness exists in all countries that use vaccination as a source of revenue for the doctors, the government or the serum factories, or all three. The United States is one of the worst offenders in this respect. For instance:
    Dr. R.A. Gunn, surgeon and medical editor, had the courage to uncover and expose some of the underhanded practices of the Board of Health in New York. Among other things he stated:

    “I personally investigated over 70 cases of smallpox in this city, that had been
    reported by the Board of Health as unvaccinated, and found 64 of the number had been vaccinated, and many of them re-vaccinated.”

    “I challenge the health officials of New York and Brooklyn, to publish a full list
    of smallpox cases with addresses. and I will undertake to prove that 80% of them have been vaccinated.” The city officials and the Board of Health refused to supply the names. Many requests for an investigation have been made, but these tax-supported servants of the people dodge the issue from year to year, not only in New York, but in all American cities, thus suppressing critical information on life and death issues that the people have a right to know. More at:
    http://www.whale (dot) to/vaccine/sf5.html.

    -VACCINATION DEATHS NOT REPORTED: http://www.whale (dot) to/a/mcbean3.html#VACCINATION%20DEATHS%20NOT%20REPORTED

    -A PLANNED MEDICAL CONSPIRACY:
    This medical strangle hold did not just happen with the passing of time; it was a
    planned conspiracy against the American people, with an “eye” to the financial
    gains of the doctors. A sample of this strategy may be seen in the following speech of Dr. W. A. Evans, one of the top medical “bosses,” and Health Commissioner for the city of Chicago, who gave these instructions to the doctors in their annual convention of the American Medical Association in 1911:

    “The thing for the medical profession to do, is to get right into, and man every
    important health movement; man health departments, tuberculosis societies, housing societies, child care and infant societies, etc. The future of the profession depends on it. . . The profession cannot afford to have these places occupied by other than medical men.”

    This pronouncement was published in the journal of the A. M. A., September 16, 1911. Just how whole-heartedly this decree was carried out is clearly shown by how completely all the non-medical schools of healing such as chiropractic, naturopathic, religious science, hygienic’s, etc., have been excluded from such tax supported institutions as health boards, public hospitals, army camps, state prisons, workman’s compensation bureaus, asylums, etc.

    Thous shall do no harm has gone the way of truth in journalism. What is more appalling than doctors who are on the take and don’t hide it (Paul Proffit, Julie Gerberding, Tom Skinner, Dr. Schuchat, Melinda Wharton, Coleen Boyle to name a few) is doctors, who do not directly benefit financially from damaging and murdering children however they sit back and say nothing because they are afraid of losing, the fancy houses, cars, prestige even their careers if they talk. One Doctor sought to absolve herself on a comment board a couple of years ago by saying yes, she knew vaccines were dangerous, doesn’t vaccinated her own children and when the Flu shot was pushed in the practice she was a part of she went to an outside Doctor to get a medical exemption so she wouldn’t have to take it. When commenters blasted her hypocrisy, she stated people didn’t understand, she didn’t want to be Wakefielded.

  • Linda

    The medical examiners need to tell the truth but they cover it up per orders of the government. How else can big Pharmacy and the government make billions of dollars off of the lives of these babies and other people. These companies that make these vaccines should be forced to pay for the funeral expenses of the deceased, but then that would prove culpability wouldn’t it? They are the low life sleeze of the world, all three of them.

  • Kiki

    Hey folks… Please realize that these so-called science people and ones commenting negatively on this article are actually hacks for the pharmaceutical companies who don’t want you to know the truth. These people have no ethics and are only cconcerned about how much money they make. A death or 10 here and there is inconsequential to them.

  • Linda

    Aren’t you the Ms. Hannah banana, so you would risk your child’s life by giving them a vaccine. What class are you in, or should I say what rock did you slide out from under. Suggesting any parent give their child vaccines is detrimental to their health, or didn’t you read this story about Ja’Liyah? Is it worth the risk? This poor sweet baby died because of the vaccines. Go ahead and give them to your children, but don’t tell others to, obviously you don’t care about yours, whether they’re permanently damaged for life or die.

    What bullying in our schools have to do with this subject is beyond me, but go ahead and toot your horn, you haven’t made any sense so far and this fits right in there. Yes I am insulting you, for flagrantly telling lies about vaccines that will harm people.

  • Capt Ron

    Dr. Viera Scheibner is a retired micropaleontologist who has no significant background to be any sort of authority on the subjects of SIDS, epidemiology, immunology or infectious disease.

  • Capt Ron

    “Blood sludging”? Is that even a medical term?

  • Hannah Haha

    I don’t think you read any thing I wrote. I will recap for you..vaccines are dangerous. Please reread my comment and come back so we can agree with each other. And don’t you dare assume you know anything about how I feel about my son. I don’t usually stoop down to the level of people like you, but you have got to be crazy. Get some help for your issues.

  • Capt Ron

    “Cytokine storm” is most often seen in extreme active infections, usually viral in origin. Applying “Occams Razor”, the plausibility that the few micrograms of antigenic fragments in a vaccine would precipitate this condition is EXTREMELY low and I don’t think you’ll find much research evidence of proven cases to support the hypothesis.

  • Capt Ron

    I’m so glad that Australia was mentioned so I can highlight the overwhelming success of the “Sidsandkids” program down under!

    http://www.sidsandkids.org/research/

    Note the many pdf documents that show the outcomes of their program and especially these graphs:

    http://www.sidsandkids.org/wp-content/uploads/SIDS_Australia_Deaths-and-rates-1981-to-date.pdf

    This graph chronicles the progression of improvement following initiation of programs and in particular the “Safe Sleeping Campaign”:

    http://www.sidsandkids.org/wp-content/uploads/SIDS_Australia_Rates-1989-to-date-with-RTR-initiative-markers.pdf

    The program focuses on infant sleeping position and other factors:

    How to Sleep your Baby Safely:

    1. Sleep baby on the back from birth, not on the tummy or side
    2. Sleep baby with head and face uncovered
    3. Keep baby smoke free before birth and after
    4. Provide a safe sleeping environment night and day
    5. Sleep baby in their own safe sleeping place in the same room as an adult caregiver for the first six to twelve months
    6. Breastfeed baby

    Notice that there’s no mention of avoiding vaccinations?!

  • Dr. Benway

    Notice how people like Kiki want to shut down all discussion of true science by labeling other people as “hacks” and accusing them of lying for money. What this really shows is that she has nothing to back up her unfounded anti-science, anti-vaccine beliefs.

    Here’s a story about the consequences of foregoing preventative care. These parents realize too late how they were tricked into exposing their child to unnecessary risks:

    http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/06/05/inenglish/1433512717_575817.html

    What do you have to say for yourself, Kiki?

  • Dr. Benway

    And you know so much more than the medical examiners, how?
    You really think the government makes money off of vaccines?
    Bizarre.

  • Dr. Benway

    And what about the diseases themselves? Is each of them their own disease? Better to die from one of those?
    Back in the days when your children only got three vaccines (because that was all there were) death or disablement from measles, whooping cough, and Hib were common. You think that was better than things are now?

    You “suspect” that the government is covering up babies dying from vaccines? How?
    What yous say sounds like a paranoiac imagination run wild.

  • Dr. Benway

    Wow, you must be a highly educated immunologist to be able to make these pronouncements with such authority. Tell us about your post-graduate education. And give us links to all the scholarly articles yous have published that support your views.
    Funny how none of the thousands of other scientists that do actual research in this field seem to agree with you.

  • chemfreemom

    First, a lot of those speaking out about the dangers of the vaccine “schedule” ARE doctors and scientists, who have either read the body of scientific research on BOTH sides themselves, or have done the research themselves. Those of us who are not doctors or scientists have one thing you don’t have, knowledge of the other side of the story. I’m not talking about opinion, I’m talking about actually reading the studies, on both sides, which allows us to read them with a critical eye instead of just saying “well, the CDC says this study proves this, and it must be true.” The CDC has been investigated three times and was found to be full of corruption every time.

    We also have the knowledge that science has had a political aspect to it for many years, and it’s so politicized now that it’s virtually useless. You may say “that’s a conspiracy theory,” and that’s because your mind is closed to anything but the prevailing thought on vaccines. Most doctors believe what they’re taught in med school without even considering who determines what they’re taught and why. And they believe scientific and medical journals, which I’ve already told you are extremely subjective and politicized. If you bothered to check into the history of vaccine research with a critical eye, listening to expert opinions on both sides, you would see that propaganda as to the seriousness of these diseases began as soon as the vaccines came out. When I was a child everyone had measles, mumps, and chicken pox and NO ONE, not doctors, scientists, parents, NO ONE thought it was a big deal. Because it wasn’t. In the early 19th century many diseases killed a lot of people, but the CDC’s own statistics show that well before the vaccines came out, when nutrition improved, deaths from all diseases dropped dramatically, some by 99%. Yes, the cases were still high, but those of us who question vaccines have a different philosophy, so we’re not concerned with getting these harmless diseases, which confer lifetime immunity and strengthen the immune system. If you looked at the research on both sides, and expert opinions on that research, you would also see a history of fraud and cover ups. The same thing happened with regard to the tobacco companies, we all know that is fact now. It is happening with regard to vaccines and GMOs too, but just like with tobacco, it is being put out there over and over for years that there is scientific consensus that they are harmless. It is not true at all, but propaganda works and most people don’t even question what they’re told. And, I’m fine with that. If you want to start injecting toxins into your infant on the day they are born, that’s your choice. My problem is the myth of herd immunity being pushed, that makes otherwise rational people want to force ME to inject those toxins into my child too. WE are not anti-science, YOU are. Science questions everything. It seems perfectly okay with people like you to just accept what you’re told by govt. health agencies and doctors who get their info. from scientists employed by the very companies who stand to make money from vaccines. With regard to any other major health treatment you are encouraged to ask questions and get second opinions, but with vaccines you are not allowed to do any of this. Don’t you wonder why? I’m sure you think it’s because they’re SO important to saving lives, that allowing people to question them and make their own decisions about them may lead to people (who after all are all ignorant if they’re not doctors), would make the wrong decision causing huge death counts from killer diseases. It would take a person 5 minutes, and an open mind, to see that that statement is ridiculous. You all have such faith in “science,” and such a strong belief that the govt. health agencies, doctors, and medical journals are purveyors of that “science,” that you blindly inject your babies on faith alone. The evidence simply does not support all the propaganda, but you’ll never know that because you won’t look at it.

    Incidentally, those who choose not to vaccinate their kids are more knowledgeable than you’ll ever be about the vaccine issue. The demographic of those who opt out of vaccination, are affluent and well-educated. These people do not make a decision that causes them to be ostracized, ridiculed, and even hated, lightly. We have done years of research. The reason so many doctors and scientists are coming to the same conclusion is because they’ve actually looked at the science on both sides. It’s indisputable that we are destroying the health of our children to avoid benign diseases that weren’t “killer diseases” before the vaccines came out.

    Still, it’s your choice. I respect that. If you live in a free country, you’re allowed to remain ignorant and just follow the masses. It’s certainly easier that way. My problem is that we no longer live a free country when the government even considers taking your right to accept or decline a medical treatment away. And, if you ARE a doctor, you should be concerned about that too. Medicine has always been based on the concept of informed consent. If medicine is forced on people, they will have NO faith in doctors or medicine at all; but in fact, will fear them.

  • Dr. Benway

    Amen to that.

  • Capt Ron

    Dr. B: With the “True Believer” menatlity, it’s all about “Belief” in whatever fits their mind-set, not about quality large scale supporting evidence.

  • Capt Ron

    Were you aware that the rise in sales of organic foods perfectly parallels the rise in autism diagnoses? Correlation there too?

  • Capt Ron

    A former colleague and long time friend, Dr. Henry F. Krous, has studied SIDS for almost 40 years. He’s an M.D. pathologist who is considered one of the preeminent researchers in the field. He has collaborated with other researchers from all over the world and his research publications about SIDS and other infant death causes in high impact medical journals number to 70+. His career has been totally in clinical practice as a pathologist specializing in pediatric forensic cases, infant death research, and in academia as a professor teaching medical residents – Never in “Big Pharma”! His word-wide reputation is stellar, to say the least. His professional statue is such that a recent international SIDS symposium was named in his honor at the occasion of his retirement.

    One of his most recent publications (14 Jan 2015) is an excellent historical perspective of SIDS… And note that there’s no mention of evidence relating to vaccines in the epidemiology of SIDS:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jpc.12818/full

    But you can go ahead being a self-styled expert and continue to refer to healthimpactnews and vacfacts for the most scholarly information, I guess.

  • driereyes

    The Barcelona family should have done their own research, and if they were “tricked” it was because they were not diligent. You cannot blame the people who are spreading accurate information, and every parent has to consider whether giving or not giving a vaccination is a choice they can live with, and then NOT blame someone else for their choice.

  • driereyes

    You must have missed the part about blood coming out of the baby.

  • teach62

    Really! I was aware that hospitals are pumping newly delivered babies hours old with vaccines like the hepatitis vaccine .I didn’t know they were pumping them up with organic carrots and tomatoes! Maybe you will understand when it’s your child brain damaged or dead from a vaccination! I suggest you do your research of the ingredients of vaccines before making such a ridiculous comment. I don’t think organic vegetables are pumped up with thermerosal, or monkey kidney.If vaccines were not dangerous the federal government would not have provided a vaccine injury program in 1983. Wake up!

  • Sciencerules

    What makes you think I haven’t read the studies? You think because I interpret the complete elimination of several diseases, and massive reductions in others as a benefit of vaccines that I am some sort of sheep. It is you who has to invent a variety of theories to explain the phenomenon, like that the diseases never really existed in the first place, were benign and healthy (this one I love), or were simply renamed. None of this can be verified, and for that you become just like any other conspiracy theorist. You will never be convinced. Given this, it is not possible to have a rational discussion with you, since you are by definition irrational. I’m sure you think that Ebola is somehow invented (or not real), that influenza is benign, that AIDS isn’t caused by a very real virus, an so on. This lack of fundamental understanding of microbiology/virology/immunology/medicine is what makes it uniformly impossible for anyone to take you seriously.

  • guest

    You think that was better than things are now?
    “Yes”
    Things were dramatically better before 1963 and the introduction of the first measles vaccine. In fact, if we look at all the causes of death from the United States Vital Statistics in 1962 we see that measles accounted for 0.02% of deaths that year. http://www.vaccinationcouncil (dot) org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/USCausesOfDeath1962.png.

    In 1962, measles was 6th from the bottom for causes of death. You can look through the list of causes of death and find almost everything from “Birth Injuries” at 28,199 to “Ulcers” at 12,228 to “Asthma” at 4,896 were far higher than the 408 deaths attributed to “Measles” that year. All industralzed countries at the time showed the same trend. Contracting natural measles generally gave you solid lifelong immunity. Even Dr. Proffit agrees with this. The vaccine doesn’t and will require revaccination throughout
    life. This why there is an Adult Immunization schedule created by the CDC: http://www.cdc (dot) gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/adult/adult-schedule.pdf

    If you look at the WHO map you will see that deaths from childhood illness were on the decline before vaccines were developed for them. Measles declined 99.8% before the first measles vaccine in 1963 which was a failure and created a new strain of Measles called Atypical Measles. This is the deadly strain that resulted in the the Live measles vaccines development. Measles vaccine sheds for up to 21 days. http://www.vaccinationcouncil(dot)org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/US-Measles-Mortality-and-Trend-1917-1992.png

    In this particular case the measles virus was extracted from a child 5 weeks after the shot was given:
    Eurosurveillance, Volume 18, Issue 49, 05 December 2013
    Rapid communications. Case of vaccine-associated measles five weeks post-immunisation, British Columbia, Canada, October 2013. Citation style for this article: Murti M, Krajden M, Petric M, Hiebert J, Hemming F, Hefford B, Bigham M, Van Buynder P. Case of vaccine-associated measles five weeks post-immunisation, British Columbia, Canada, October 2013. Euro Surveill. 2013;18(49):pii=20649. Available online: http://www.eurosurveillance(dot) org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=20649
    Date of submission: 15 November 2013

    -Vaccine. 2002 Feb 22;20(11-12):1541-3. Detection of measles vaccine in the throat of a vaccinated child. Morfin F1, Beguin A, Lina B, Thouvenot D. Author information 1Laboratory of Virology, Hospices Civils de Lyon, Domaine Rockefeller, 8 avenue Rockefeller, 69373 Lyon Cedex 08, France.
    -NY Measles outbreak: 26 cases total. 14 adults ad 12 children. Patient Zero is a 22 year old VACCINATED young lady who contracted measles in 2011. This outbreak resulted in over 88 people contracting measles: Oxford journal -Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity.

    -PLoS study: “Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination. China has one of the most vaccination compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? “The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/.
    -Prolonged measles virus shedding in human immunodeficiency virus-infected children, detected by reverse transcriptase-polymerase chain reaction. Permar SR1, Moss WJ, Ryon JJ, Monze M, Cutts F, Quinn TC, Griffin DE.
    -Pediatrics. 2010 Feb;125(2):e438-41. doi: 10.1542/peds.2009-1901. Epub 2010 Jan 25.

    -“The measles vaccine has failed,” he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Poland sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues. This is unexpected and a worrisome harbinger — measles outbreaks are occurring where they are least expected,” he wrote in his 2012 paper, listing the “surprising numbers of cases occurring in persons who previously received one or even two documented doses of measles-containing vaccine.” During the 1989-1991 U.S. outbreaks, 20% to 40% of those affected had received one to two doses. In a 2011 outbreak in Canada, “over 50% of the 98 individuals had received two doses of measles vaccine.”
    Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/
    http://business.financialpost (dot) com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/

    -Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.
    Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons.
    Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
    Conclusion: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Because of the failure rate of the vaccine and the unique transmissibility of the measles virus, the currently available measles vaccine, used in a single-dose strategy, is unlikely to completely eliminate measles. The long-term success of a two-dose strategy to eliminate measles remains to be determined. http://archinte.jamanetwork (dot) com/article.aspx?articleid=619215
    Dr. Gregory Poland is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. Poland is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.

    Chicken Pox vaccine spreads for 6 weeks. In the case of an immuno-suppressed person the virus can shed longer. Read vaccine vial insert.
    -Chickenpox outbreak in a highly vaccinated school population. 97% Vaccinated.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pubmed/14993534.
    -An Outbreak of Chickenpox in Elementary School Children with Two-Dose Varicella Vaccine Recipients (2006)
    When it is apparent one vaccine isn’t working, the answer is almost always more vaccines… ever notice?
    In June 2006, a second dose of the chickenpox (varicella) vaccine was recommended for school entry. Shortly after school had begun, the Arkansas Department of Health was notified of a varicella outbreak in students. Vaccination information was available for 871 (99%) of the 880 children. Ninety-seven percent of the children had been vaccinated for varicella! In this outbreak, 84 cases were reported. Vaccine coverage: 97%. PubMed

    -Whooping cough vaccine hasn’t worked -ever and it’s just now being revealed because the more children are vaccinated the more whooping cough cases rise in correlation to the number of vaccinated. As reported by The Washington Post:
    “The research suggests that while the vaccine may keep people from getting sick, it doesn’t prevent them from spreading whooping cough — also known as Pertussis — to others.
    ‘It could explain the increase in Pertussis that we’re seeing in the US,’ said one of the researchers, Tod Merkel of the Food and Drug Administration…

    The study, titled: “Acellular Pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model,” used infant baboons to test the hypothesis that “current acellular pertussis vaccines fail to prevent colonization and transmission” of B. Pertussis. (there is no vaccine for Bordetella Pertussis virus) http://www.pnas (dot) org/content/111/2/787. Lead author Tod Merkel did comment to the New York Times that when exposed to B. Pertussis after recently getting vaccinated, you could be an asymptomatic carrier and infect others, saying:
    “When you’re newly vaccinated, you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the population.”

    Vaccinated people are contagious. Please provide an Independent Study or Data that substantiates that Unvaccinated non-infected people are contagious and can or are infecting others. Especially those that are suppose to under the umbrella of the vaccine. If vaccines work than what’s the problem? Pro-vaccine folks and trolls keep chanting that vaccines are only what now, about 70% or less effective. How about ZERO!

    Vaccinated people are not only contagious but they also can become infected by the vaccine they’ve been given. When this happens who gets blamed unduly-the unvaccinated. Here are a few example of children who developed measles within 21 days of their MMR. Read the comments the Mom’s made:
    -My Sons’ Vaccine-Related Measles
    vaccinationinformationnetwork (dot) com/my-sons-vaccine-related-measles/.
    -Genotype Testing Showed Baltimore Baby’s Symptoms Were A Reaction To The MMR, Health Officials Relieved
    coninquisitr (dot) com/1801210/genotype-baltimore-mmr/.
    (this is the typical spin-it’s a vaccine reaction, not the measles)
    https://www.facebook(dot) com/photo.php?fbid=10205874067907027&set=p.10205874067907027&type=1&theater
    -An Unexpected Side Effect of My Daughter’s Measles Vaccine
    kveller (dot) com/an-unexpected-side-effect-of-my-daughters-measles-vaccine/. 2 kids that became infected by the vaccine.

    The Emerging Risks of Live Virus & Virus Vectored Vaccines: Vaccine Strain Virus Infection, Shedding & Transmission.” Pages 34-36 in the section on “Measles, Mumps, Rubella Viruses and Live Attenuated Measles, Mumps, Rubella Viruses” discuss evidence that the MMR vaccine can lead to measles infection and transmission. http://www.nvic (dot) org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/Live-Virus-Vaccines-and-Vaccine-Shedding.pdf.

  • guest

    Are you aware that the CDC can’t do a study comparing the health outcomes of unvaccinated children to vaccinated children because of broccoli? https://www.youtube (dot) com/watch?t=98&v=I-USEUgJxQU.

  • guest

    Dr. Henry F. Krous
    -UCSD School of Medicine, Rady Children’s Hospital, San Diego, California, United States.
    -Departments of Physiology and Biophysics,
    Pathology and Pediatrics, The University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA

    A pharmaceutical insider.

  • guest

    Provide Independent double blind place controlled study on the safety or effectiveness of a childhood vaccine.

    Provide scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    Provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

  • guest

    Yes, genuine honest scientist which the corrupt CDC/Vaccine industry has been trying to destroy for years but they are above reproach except for those who profit from murdering children and the trolls online who profit for pushing the genocidal agenda of their masters. Of course your ilk, Gerberding, Dr. DeStefano, Wharton, Coleen Boyle and your other partners in crime create fake studies with small groups by people that are in their criminal circle to produce per-determined results to feed to the populace via their propaganda machinery know as the MSM. This is so well stated:

    Ben Goldacre states in his book “Bad Pharma”

    How Drug companies Misled Doctors and harm Patients:

    He writes in the introduction that the book aims to
    defend the following paragraph:

    Medicine is Broken.
    Drugs are tested by the people who manufacture them, in poorly
    designed trials, on hopelessly small numbers of weird, unrepresentative
    patients, and analyzed using techniques which are flawed by design, in such a
    way that they exaggerate the benefits of treatments. Unsurprisingly, these
    trials tend to produce results that favour the manufacturer. When trials throw
    up results that companies don’t like, they are perfectly entitled to hide them
    from doctors and patients, so we only ever see a distorted picture of any drug’s
    true effects. Regulators see most of the trial data, but only from early on in a
    drug’s life, and even then they don’t give this data to doctors or patients, or
    even to other parts of government. This distorted evidence is then communicated
    and applied in a distorted fashion. In their forty years of practice after
    leaving medical school, doctors hear about what works through ad hoc oral
    traditions, from sales reps, colleagues or journals. But those colleagues can be
    in the pay of drug companies – often undisclosed – and the journals are too. And
    so are the patient groups. And finally, academic papers, which everyone thinks
    of as objective, are often covertly planned and written by people who work
    directly for the companies, without disclosure. Sometimes whole academic
    journals are even owned outright by one drug company. Aside from all this, for
    several of the most important and enduring problems in medicine, we have no idea
    what the best treatment is, because it’s not in anyone’s financial interest to
    conduct any trials at all. These are ongoing problems, and although people have
    claimed to fix many of them, for the most part they have failed; so all these
    problems persist, but worse than ever, because now people can pretend that
    everything is fine after all.

    The book is more startling than the statement!

  • guest

    Dr Viera Scheibner is Principal Research Scientist (Retired) with a doctorate in Natural Sciences from Comenius University in Bratislava. After an eminent scientific career in micropalaeontology during which she published 3 books and some 90 scientific papers in refereed scientific journals in Australia and overseas, she studied babies’ breathing patterns with the Cotwatch breathing monitor developed by her late husband Leif Karlsson in the mid 1980s. Babies had alarms after vaccination, indicating stress. This introduced her to the subject of vaccination. She then started systematically studying orthodox medical papers dealing with vaccination issues. To this day she has collected and studied more than 100000 pages of medical papers.

    Despite such extensive research of orthodox medical papers published on vaccines over the past 100 years, she established that there is no scientific evidence that these injections of highly noxious substances prevent
    diseases, quite to the contrary, that they increase susceptibility to the diseases which the vaccines are supposed to prevent and also to a host of related and unrelated viral and bacterial infections. Vaccines
    are involved in a great number of modern ills of childhood such as immunoreactive diseases (asthma, allergies), autoimmune diseases (diabetes, multiple sclerosis, lupus erythematosis),cancers, leukaemia, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, behavioural and learning
    problems, to mention just the most important conditions.

    Her research into vaccination has culminated so far in two books and a number of shorter and longer individual papers published in a variety of scientific and medical publications. She has also conducted frequent
    international lecture tours to present the results of her research to parents, health and medical professionals and anyone else who is interested. She has also provided a great number of expert witness reports for court cases relating to deaths and injuries caused by vaccines, such as so-called “shaken baby” syndrome.

    PUBLICATIONS
    Papers published in medical publications
    ————————————————–
    Scheibner V. 1991. Evidence of the
    association between non-specific stress syndrome, DPT injections and cot death. “Immunisation: The Old and the New”. Proceedings of the Second National Immunisation Conference. Canbera, Public Health Association of
    Australia; 27-29 May 1991: 90-91.

    Tye K, Pollard I, Karlsson L and Scheibner V. 1993. Caffeine exposure in utero increases the incidence of apnea in adult rats. Reproductive Toxicology; 7: 449-452.

    Scheibner V. 1993. Response to Leask and McIntyre’s attack on myself as a public opponent of vaccination. Vaccine; 22: VI-IX.

    Scheibner V. 2007. Kawasaki Disease. Medical Veritas; 6: 1978-1996.

    Papers published in the Natural Health Magazine
    ————————————————————
    Scheibner V. and Karlsson L. 1991.
    Cot death and vaccination Link. Natural Health Magazine; 4 (5-6) Aug/Sep and Oct/Nov 1991: 2-4.

    Scheibner V and Karlsson L. 1991. The Vaccination debate. Natural Health Magazine; 4 (5-6) Aug/Sep and Oct-Nov 191: 5-8.

    Scheibner V. 1992. Facts about Haemophilus influenzae B vaccines. What every doctor – and all parents –
    should know about. October/November 1992 :1-3.

    Scheibner V. 1993. Cotwatch breathing monitor guards against cot death. Natural Health Magazine
    (December 1992-January 1993): 12e

    Scheibner V. 1993. Should I vaccinate my child? December 1992/January 1993.

    Scheibner V. 1993. Flu vaccination – is it safe? June/July 1993.

    Remainder of publications at: http://www.vierascheibner (dot)com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50:about-viera&catid=31:general&Itemid=46
    So you and Dr. Benway, what are you credential? Please post your publications, your education history and anything other than your overblown opinion that substantiates you and the doctor as any more than hired guns for the pro-vaccine /pharma industry. Hallelujah!

  • TellItAsIs99

    Coerced vaccination bills will be legally challenged all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.
    Some vaccines shots contain toxic mercury and many vaccines contain toxic adjuvants such as aluminum to stimulate immune reaction. Vaccine supporters also fail to mention that because of better sanitation, hygiene and hospital care that deaths from infectious diseases all but disappeared before the first vaccine was given in 1963. Supporters also do not mention that vaccines rates were well under 90%, the so called herd immunity minimum rate, in many parts of the country in the 1960s to 80s without any major outbreaks of diseases that the vaccines are claimed to protect against.
    Big pharma funded test trials and financing to politicians, the FDA and medical advisory committees have created just another marketing group. Vaccines are not guaranteed to be either safe or effective and vaccine companies are protected from law suits by the 1986 Vaccine Injury Act. They know their vaccines cause harm and even death but don’t know which children are at risk; see the HRSA vaccine injury table list.
    A well nourished child with a healthy immune system will fight off most infectious diseases and in the rare case of measles the child will have life-time immunity after recovery without taking the risk of toxic vaccines some of which require later booster shots. Vaccines are a decision that must remain with the parents.
    Corporate interests have also lead to other controversial deadly treatments drugs. The highly deadly mandatory clot-buster TPA drug given in the ER for a non-life threatening moderate ischemic stroke has a history of deadly failed test trials and controversial if any benefit modest benefit. This stealth euthanasia drug is now starting to be delievered to home’s after the 911 call. Search: AAEM TPA position, The NNT TPA stroke, or in ER emergency blogs or http://www.stroketreatmentrisktpa.co.nf for the stroke TPA drug controversy.

  • Actual science

    I’ll take that as a ‘No’ then Fodor. Such a simple question as well…..

  • Actual science

    You think Japan and Singapore are European?! Shows your level of intelligence. What a shambles you trolls are, I hope they dock your wages for your calamitous drivel. They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel with you lot. That’s good!

  • Capt Ron

    I’d say if you have evidence that an ME is discovered in a cover-up they should be reported to their state’s DOH – They’ll have their licence to practice suspended!

  • Capt Ron

    OH – A lot of 20-25 year old research – Has any of it been replicated?

  • Capt Ron

    The list is rather incestuous – “Replication” means by other independent researchers.

  • Actual science

    Your fellow troll Capt Ron thinks Japan and Singapore are in Europe, and they couldn’t record medical data on SIDS before 1950. Your other troll friend Sciencerules says he is developing a TB vaccine in his lab but spends most of his day on here talking guff. As I said to them, the Pharma industry is scraping the bottom of the barrel if this is as much intelligence as they can muster! That’s a good sign. Let me guess ‘Dr’ Benway – you have 5 medical degrees, and are developing a cancer vaccine in your laboratory as you type? And not defending babykillers for money. Your mother must be proud. Sleep well.

  • guest

    Genuine honest, not paid for research that doesn’t murder children endures. Just because something is old doesn’t mean you throw it away. Hopefully you’ll live long enough to realize that. Hopefully someone won’t look at you one day and go oh, you’re over 25, well past your time. The Adult vaccine schedule consist of 72 vaccines so maybe without your knowledge because of your advanced age-25 or older, that last shot will be a dozy. Of course if you are taking vaccines like you are recommending children take them, you may not be around to receive your recommended CDC vaccinations because one of them was too much for you poor old system.

  • Hannah Haha

    That’s the real issue with cause of death. If there is no obvious thing then they simply say it is SIDS. Tragic, but unexplainable. It’s a shame that in this day and age we still have unexplained deaths. No healthy infant dies without reason. Every SIDS death is probably not caused by vaccines, but you can be SURE that some of them are.

  • AutismDad

    Who really cares about Godwins so called law? Up your game instead of refering to made up rubbish.

  • Hannah Haha

    If you are not doctor then you know that less people die from these diseases due to better understanding, care and living conditions. It’s not all that far fetched to think pharmaceutical companies and our government would try and cover mistakes. We see examples of their incompetence often in drugs that do more damage than good, must be recalled and large settlements paid to victims. Come on doc..we have to introduce FOODS one at a time, for days at a time, because of allergic reactions. But medicines..shoot give em all at once and deny deny deny.

  • Hannah Haha

    Funny, but your side does the same thing except it’s quack not hack. Haven’t seen you post any true science either, but you have surely been rude and antagonizing on some occasions. I won’t hold it against you though. My own side attacks me, I assume, because I can be somewhat coherent. That’s what this whole issue has turned into..a big, fat ball of shit where it’s better to fight with each other than learn from each other. Sad part is our kids are the ones suffering from this no matter which side turns out to be right.

  • chemfreemom

    As I said in my previous post, this is about a different philosophy toward health. You think vaccines are wonderful for the supposed elimination of “several diseases,” (I’d like to know which ones), but I’m saying elimination of things like measles, mumps and chicken pox were not necessary as they were not killer diseases before the vaccines came out, and did provide the benefit of lifetime immunity. Also, measles is more dangerous before the age of 5 and after the age of 19, and before the vaccine people got it within that age range. That is changing now for one, because mothers no longer pass immunity onto their babies for as long as they did with natural immunity as they do for “vaccine-immunity.” There have also been studies showing a decrease in risk of certain kinds of cancer for those who had the measles. I’m not that familiar with this particular research, however, so you could look it up yourself.
    And, you’re wrong, what I’ve said CAN be verified. Just look at the CDC’s vital statistics and you’ll see very clearly that deaths from these diseases dropped very dramatically before the vaccines came out. They also dropped for diseases that did not have a vaccine, during the same time period. You believe you can obtain health from chemicals and drugs, and I believe you can maintain health from nutrition. Even the WHO admits on its website that given sufficient Vitamin A, the death rate from Measles in developing countries drops by 50%. That’s just from ONE nutrient.
    You say I’ll never be convinced, and you’re right. And, you’ll never be convinced. But, if you’re wise and would like to continue to work in medicine, you will open your mind. Science and medicine are moving toward the nutrition theory in support of the immune system, and natural remedies. I’m not sure how long it will take, but eventually the drug and cut mentality of “good health” will be replaced entirely. Those not open to change and growth will be left behind. And, all of the presumptions you made about my beliefs in other areas such as Ebola, and AIDS, are just that, presumptions.

    Your dismissal of my statements is not different than mine of yours. And, people like you ignore the fact that many of the people questioning vaccines are medical doctors, with at least as much training as yours, and scientists who’ve studied this issue. And, though these people have had very successful careers for many years, and were highly respected, one question about any aspect of the vaccine program, and they are suddenly “quacks.” It’s really stunning the level of devotion to vaccines, and the refusal to hear anything else.

  • chemfreemom

    You’re wrong Dr. Benway. Consult the CDC’s own vital statistics to see that deaths from these diseases had dropped dramatically BEFORE the vaccines came out. Measles, for example, killed just over 400 people in 1960 (vax came out in 1963, not widely used until later that). To put that into perspective, that is a 0.2% death rate according to the CDC statistics. 130 people died that year from being struck by lightening, and 12,000 died from ulcers and similar stomach issues. A trick the CDC uses in their reports is to show the drop in deaths from just before the vaccines, to just after. If you look at the death rates from the early 1900s to the early 1960s, before the vaccines, you will see a HUGE drop just before then. This occurred with regard to diseases that didn’t ever have a vaccine either. This is really indisputable if you look at the statistics, rather than relying on statements by public health agencies. The statement that vaccines are the greatest invention that saved millions of lives, has been repeated so long by so many that it is just taken as fact.

    And, doctors do cover up babies dying from vaccines by calling it SIDS. Many of them know the truth, but they don’t want it to get out that any vaccine killed anyone because they are so afraid people will stop getting vaccinated, and I’d like to believe that that is because they truly (though incorrectly) believe they save so many lives that people will die without them. As someone mentioned earlier, there has not been anywhere near the 90-some percent vaccination rate (especially in adults) they say is necessary for hear immunity now, for a very long time. Yet, there were no huge epidemics or people dropping like flies. It’s all propaganda. The CDC is one of the biggest culprits. They get away with making reports like saying that 32,000 people died from “the flu and pneumonia” in 2001, so you “better get your flu shot.” When in reality, only just over 200 of those deaths that year were from the flu, and only 18 of those cases were even confirmed. And, every single year they say the same thing, “this is going to be the worst flu season ever.” If that’s not propaganda, then what is? Stop taking their word on things and read the studies yourself, not just the abstracts which often don’t even reflect the data in the actual study. And, please look at the statistics, not their public statements. The statistics usually do not support their statements AT ALL. They know most people, even doctors, are not going to look into in great detail.

    Here is Robert F. Kennedy’s (who describes himself as fiercely pro-vaccine) account of 4 separate investigations of the CDC from 2000 to 2014:

    “CDC’s Immunization Safety Office is a troubled agency. In recent
    years a series of studies by Federal Investigators and Congressional
    committees, have issued scathing reports highlighting the dire conflicts
    of interest at CDC’s vaccine and research divisions.
    A 2000 report by
    the Government Reform Committee entitled “Conflicts of Interest in
    Vaccine Policy Making” identified a long inventory of corrupt financial
    ties between regulators and vaccine makers in FDA and CDC’s vaccine
    programs that are diverting the agency from its task of safeguarding
    public health.
    A 2007 US Senate investigation by Senator Tom Coburn,
    “CDC Off Center” found widespread corruption and mismanagement at CDC’s
    vaccine programs (Coburn, CDC Off Center, 2007).
    In 2008 an
    investigation by the Office of the Inspector General (IG) of HHS found
    that 97% of Special Government Advisors on committees in the CDC vaccine
    program failed to disclose necessary information about conflicts of
    interest (Levinson, 2008). Those findings prompted a series of criminal
    investigations.
    In March 2014 the US Office of Research Integrity (ORI),
    Director, David Wright, quit his job issuing a searing letter claiming
    pervasive scientific misconduct in biomedical research at CDC, the
    National Institute of Health (NIH) and the Public Health Service (PHS)
    all part of HHS which he characterized as “a remarkably dysfunctional
    bureaucracy.” (Wright, 2014) There is no evidence that CDC has moved
    to adopt the recommendations of these reports or to cure its problems in
    the vaccine division.

    And the latest whistleblower, a senior scientist at the CDC, Dr. William Thompson, (the lead author of one of most-cited studies that supposedly proved no link between the MMR and autism, but admitted info was left out to hide the link) made statements in phone conversations he didn’t know were being taped, such as:

    “There is biological plausability now, I really do believe there is, to say that Thimerosal causes autism-like features.”

    “I shoulder that the CDC has put the research 10 years behind, alright? Because the CDC has not been transparent, we’ve missed 10 years of research, because the CDC is so, umm, paralyzed right now by anything related to autism.”

    “I have great shame now when I meet families with kids with autism, because I have been part of the problem.”

    He has turned over thousands of pages of documents to Congress and is being investigated. But, since the CDC has been investigated 4 times already and found to be fraudulent all 4 times and nothing has been done about it, I don’t know what will come of it.

  • chemfreemom

    And, though many either weren’t around, or don’t remember it, this kind of consensus of scientists and govt. agencies and silence by media due to the paying off of large corporations has happened before! The tobacco industry…

    Govt. health agencies and scientists (both paid off by the tobacco industry) swore tobacco was not addictive and didn’t cause cancer. Even doctors told their patients cigarettes were perfectly safe. And when whistle blowers from tobacco came forward to say that not only was that not true but that the tobacco industry knew full well that it wasn’t true, major TV stations like CBS, who agreed to air the interview of Dr. Wigand (played by Russell Crowe in the movie about this), they later changed their minds because the tobacco companies would remove all of their ads and they’d lose a lot of money.

    The pro-vaccine crowd likes to throw the term “conspiracy theorists” around, but they forget, or don’t know, that this kind of corruption and propaganda has happened many times throughout history. And, what makes the vaccine safety and efficacy myth so much harder to fight than things like cigarettes and lobotomies, is that people have been thoroughly convinced that they are a Godsend that has saved millions of lives, and that without them, we’re all going to die from these mostly benign diseases.

  • sabelmouse

    you’re a doctor? i think you’ve missed some education.

  • Stephen Gore

    1. Mercury is only toxic in high enough doses – similar to how water is toxic if you drink 10 liters of it, the only difference being the threshold for toxicity.
    2. No childhood vaccines contain thiomersal/mercury preservatives.
    3. The human body naturally contains 6mg of mercury, are you concerned about that?
    4. Adjuvants such as aluminium are also toxic in high enough doses, please see point 1.
    5. The human body also contains 15mg of aluminium at any one time.
    6. Adjuvants are introduced to lower the risk of infection, as a heightened immune response will respond more readily to a smaller dose of pathogens.
    7. Sanitation, hygiene and treatment certainly helped prevent disease, but vaccines are far more effective at ensuring health. I wonder if you can provide some evidence for the trends of the “all but disappeared” diseases before effective vaccines were introduced.
    8. Herd immunity is defined as: when (on average) each infected person infects less than one individual, therefore a disease begins to decline over time due to less spread. It is entirely dependent on the pathogen and population as to what the threshold of vaccination rates constitutes herd immunity. It certainly isn’t 90% in all cases

    This death is tragic, but I fail to see the link between the vaccines and her death.
    Before you tell me I’m a paid Big Pharma shill etc. I can assure I wish I was paid for any of this but I am in fact a poor student who has dedicated a lot of time to studying a Masters in Biochemistry. Please tell me about what qualifies you to know more about this than the large majority of scientists and professionals, other than being a parent or “doing your own research” ie. listening to everything that agrees with your pre-formulated opinion and disregarding strong evidence as a cover up or conspiracy. Thank you for your time

  • fodor

    Oh the old mortality statistics scam, huh?
    Do you even know the difference between mortality and morbidity? What happened with MORBIDITY numbers before and after vaccines?
    Since you start out with that lie, the rest of what you have to say must be considered a lie as well.

  • fodor

    Your first statement is true. But it has absolutely no correlation to the number of people suffering from preventable diseases and that besides the suffering during the course of the illness, that some end up with lasting harm.
    Vaccines are intended to prevent all of this by preventing contraction of the disease in the first place.

  • Karen

    A few years ago Dr. Russell Blaylock (a neurosurgeon) requested a challenge be done to Dr. Paul “For Profit” Offit and any one who is pro vaccine to have 100,000 vaccines injected into them because Offit says it is safe for a child.

    I am calling on all you manly men to have at least triple the amount injected into you and have the media present and post it on YouTube too. To make sure that you are given the same vaccines that the rest of the people are given, I would suggest no fewer than three independent labs be chosen to make sure the vaccines are legit.

    Are you and your pals up for the challenge? Then please contact Dr. Russell Blaylock as he has been waiting at least five years for this challenge to happen.

    http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/dr-paul-offit-is-admitted-to-philadelphia-hospital-after-taking-100000-vaccines-reuters-health/#.VXMQlJDn_ML

  • Karen

    Do these parents know that legally vaccines are referred to as unavoidably unsafe? Did you even know that? Do you even care? Can you tell me how something can be both safe and effective yet legally unavoidably unsafe?

    Please participate in the 100,000 vaccine challenge that I asked Steven Gore to do above? Can you handle it? Because Dr. Paul Offit says babies can.

    http://projects.propublica.org/graphics/bigpharma

    http://unhoodwinked.com/2014/11/12/vaccines-and-money/#more-100

  • sabelmouse

    not actually true.

  • Hannah Haha

    I know what they are intended to do and I admit that, to some extent, they do their job. The problem is they are not as effecient or safe as they try and tell us they are. I guess you must decide which risk you are willing to take.

  • Hannah Haha

    Small amounts of mercury and aluminum are still toxic, just not deadly. I think you have it backwards..vaccines helped prevent disease, but sanitation, hygiene and good nutrition are better at ensuring health. The fact that these things are already in your body are even more reason not to inject more into your system. A healthy body is perfectly balanced and produces exactly what it needs. Introducing more of the same and other foreign substances can only throw off the balance. Once again, for the most part, those of us that decide not to vaccinate don’t make the choice lightly. I have likely spent hundreds of hours reading studies and reports. It’s actually quite insulting for you to suggest that I would make a decision for my child without learning as much as possible about the options. I never questioned vaccination so I had no pre concieved bias. That came about after I started looking at the information out there.

  • fodor

    The reason this so-called “challenge” is being universally ignored is that it is stupid and pointless.

  • Hannah Haha

    Yes, I’m sure it’s a huge success because now mothers everywhere know not to place pillows over their babies heads while sleeping and not to blow smoke in their childrens faces.

  • fodor

    It’s really simple, though you pretend not to understand it. “Unavoidably unsafe” refers to the fact that although vaccines are made to be as safe as possible, there is still a tiny risk of harm.
    But since the risk of harm from vaccine-preventable diseases is much, much higher, the prudent public policy is to vaccinate.
    There is no choice that carries no risk at all.

  • Karen

    No. It’s because it will shut you pro vaccine parasites up for good. Your house of cards will come crashing down real hard. If Paul Off it believes so strongly in telling people what they should, then he shouldn’t have a problem with taking the vaccines himself. Only a criminal would only do unto others what he would not do to himself.

  • Karen

    Can you tell me what other industry besides the pharma industry that has blanket immunity from their “safe” and “effective” products? Explain why I should trust them when they ran to the Supreme Court to make themselves “immune”? The pharma companies have also been fined billions of dollars over the years for their other “safe” and “effective” FDA approved products. And please don’t pretend that you don’t know what the real definition of safe is: FREE FROM HARM or RISK. Or the definition of effective is: PRODUCING a DESIRED EFFECT.

    Since you said in you last sentence that there is no choice that carries no risk at all, then vaccines need to stop being referred to as “safe” and “effective”. Also all of the possible side effects that are in the vaccine inserts should also be discussed instead of hidden away.

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/why-the-fda-should-be-charged-with-murder/

  • fodor

    If you think there is a decision to be made about which is the less risky choice, then you are probably the type of person that thinks they can walk into a casino and consistently win at roulette.

  • Hannah Haha

    That doesn’t really make much sense. Are you really suggesting that vaccines are 100% safe?If not then you should just agree that we each have to decide which risk we want to take.

  • Ruth

    I am somewhat wary of a person or people who use their ‘authority’ (i.e position) and/or educational level to win an argument and/or impose their will on others, almost as if this is an excuse to carry out such an action. We all should be asking questions of people who do the research and expect answers. The trick is not to reject something because it doesn’t agree with what we want to hear or our long term held belief systems.

    I’m also concerned that people may not be aware of how much control (both political and financial) that the vaccine manufacturers have. It is substantial, both on scientific research done (and not done) as well as in the media.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2015/05/popular-radio-host-and-guest-censored.html#more

  • Ruth

    Agreed. And funnily enough this mentality operates on both sides of the equation. That is what happens when something becomes a ‘religion’.

  • Ruth

    Unfortunately all your points are incorrect and probably based on incorrect data or biased science produced by the vaccine industry. I mean, why wouldn’t they, they have to sell the stuff?

    I would recommend looking into it more thoroughly perhaps look at some the research that Suzanne Humphries has done.

  • Ruth

    That may be true, but then they may also ‘believe’ in what they say. It could constitute their ‘religion’ which they chose to see as rational and normal. A person with a very strongly held belief system is going to be adamantly apposed to listening to any evidence to the contrary, calling the person who provides this information a ‘quack’ or a ‘loon’, especially if they can’t contradict what that person says. They are also only going to proffer up ‘evidence’ that supports their ‘belief’ system. Its just how it’s done.

  • Evan Davis

    “A healthy body is perfectly balanced and produces exactly what it needs. Introducing more of the same and other foreign substances can only throw off the balance.”

    Good point. I guess I should stop drinking water then. I hear it’s full of a potentially deadly chemical called dihydrogen monoxide.

  • Hannah Haha

    I simply cannot believe how many of you read my comments and somehow think I am defending vaccines. I AM ON YOUR SIDE OF THE DEBATE. Please read my comment again. I believe I said clearly that we should not introduce toxins into our bodies. Pretty sure I said those of us who choose not to vaccinate are usually well read on the subject.

  • Hannah Haha

    Yeah, that’s scary stuff there. Most dangerous if inhaled or prolonged exposure to it in it’s solid form. We are all so lucky to have you around to educate the public.

  • If you think that vaccine aluminum adjuvants are harmless, the obviously you have done zero independent independent unbiased research. Go find me some studies that have done any direct look at all at the actual physiological safety profile and the impact of injected vaccine aluminum adjuvants? Several studies have claimed to be and/or included a look at that said safety profile and in the studies title, but when you actually read the study, no such as to the study, was actually done.

    These two pages contain a long list of studies, and data.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 1
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

  • Hey no real identity, Benway. I have not been vaccinated in over 4 decades, and as well there exist thousands of adults that also have not been since childhood, and nor for diphtheria. How do you explain this major lack of vaccine derived herd immunity, not causing major outbreaks of diphtheria, polio, etc etc. Those vaccines only protect if at all just a short number of years and certainly not for life.

    If you are all about the science then why have you not yet answered the question. Where are your studies that have looked at the physiological safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule. Why have they only looked at and continue to look at one vaccine single, and one single vaccine ingredient? Where as well are the vaccine safety profile studies regarding the actual physiologically based safety profile of and in giving an infant and/or small child from 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit?

    There aren’t any such studies in the IOM report, so where are they?

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiolgical studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period.Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unrealiable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    Read more:
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    Vaccine Truth
    Lowell Hubbs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmMwsM_J1l8

    We will FIGHT! And as to the vaccine truth, we will WIN!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V19k2MqVzyE

    The Current State of Vaccine Truth 2015
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxg0enCfMXs

  • A TINY risk…really??? Vaccines are made as safe as possible…really?

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety “I am not a coincidence”)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

    And if that was not bad enough, now there is FDA approved, the new Gardasil 9.

  • The medical examiners are actually clueless, and they do not have adequate knowledge and nor the tools to determine if or not vaccines caused the death of an infant, face it. If they did, there as well would not be exists 100’s of cases of SIDS where the causation of death remains undetermined. Previously health Infants do not just get a load of vaccines, and then just mysteriously die; and then with none of the cases are ever having been determined to have a vaccine causation; but yet they claim do not know the cause, and simply write SIDS on the death certificate. Tell me how much medical examiners actually know. Every one of them as well know as well politically well the ramifications of, and that their head and career would end up on a literal chopping block, were they EVER to conclude vaccines as the causation.

    These medical examiners as as well prosecutors have been wrong for years as well in regard to falsely accused shaken baby syndrome, and well new information has come to light where indeed it is all to obviously known that countless parents and caregivers have been wrongfully charged and that they still languish in prisons without a means to any acquittal and release.

    Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS): Major Causes are Known but Ignored
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/sudden-infant-death-syndrome-sids-major-causes-are-known-but-ignored/

    New and recent developments, and information in regard to SBS.

    Published: March 20, 2015
    Shaken science
    A disputed diagnosis imprisons parents
    Prosecutors build murder cases on disputed Shaken Baby Syndrome diagnosis
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/shaken-baby-syndrome/

    And how many falsely accused parents and caregivers, do we yet need to get out of prisons?

    March 23, 2015
    When babies die, a disputed diagnosis sends parents to prison for abuse

    For decades, when a child appeared in an emergency room with certain symptoms, including bleeding behind the eyes and bleeding around the brain, many doctors assumed violent shaking to be the cause. But in recent years, the Shaken Baby Syndrome diagnosis has come under intense scrutiny, and so have many of the resulting prosecutions and convictions. Special correspondent Jackie Judd reports.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/babies-die-disputed-diagnosis-sends-parents-prison-abuse/

    New Film Exposes Shaken Baby Syndrome Myth – Opponents Want to Silence it at Film Festivals
    http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/03/11/new-film-exposes-shaken-baby-syndrome-myth-opponents-want-to-silence-it-at-film-festivals/

    THE SYNDROME
    a feature investigative documentary
    http://thesyndromefilm.com/

    May 28, 2015
    Mainstream Media Finally Exposing Shaken Baby Syndrome as False Diagnosis – How Many Innocent Parents Have Suffered?
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/mainstream-media-finally-exposing-shaken-baby-syndrome-as-false-diagnosis-how-many-innocent-parents-have-suffered/

    Is Shaken Baby Syndrome Often Misdiagnosed and Caused by Vaccine-Induced Rickets? http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/01/06/is-shaken-baby-syndrome-often-misdiagnosed-and-caused-by-vaccine-induced-rickets/

    Many Experts Have Discredited Shaken Baby Syndrome. So Why Is Maria Mendez Still in Prison?
    http://www.laweekly.com/news/many-experts-have-discredited-shaken-baby-syndrome-so-why-is-maria-mendez-still-in-prison-4137146

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • This person is NOT a doctor. Take a look at the character name that they have actually assumed.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Benway

    Actually the risk from measles in the US involved most children surviving it without any adverse effect, and with resulting life time immunity, and pertussis we never even heard of it nor anyone who had it, back in the day. The risk of the MMR vaccine today and multiple injections combined with other vaccines is simply not worth the risk. And by the way, you ignore all of the risks as unproven and non existent, so right there your credibility in any of the discussion is simply null and void.

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.
    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract
    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    More vaccine reality
    http://www.vacfacts.info/more-vaccine-reality.html

  • Oh, the suffering from vaccine preventable diseases? What about the suffering of 1000’s families with vaccine injured children; and those with a child with autism, and as well those with infants that died after a load of vaccines, that they have actually never proven in any actual vaccine safety study, that many vaccines to be safe, and when injected all on the same day, and office visit??

  • Getting injected with multiple vaccines is actually similar to the game of Russian roulette, and with your life and health being in the stakes of the game. No one knows who the big loser is going to end up being. One thing we do know is that it will not be and never will be big pharma, the CDC, and/or any vaccine provider; as they all protected and have their legal immunity.

  • But Benway has no educational level of authority, as their character name is FAKE. In your hypocrisy Benway, give us the answers as to yourself, in regard to the same questions you just asked? Get started. He or she may have just as well called themselves, Dr BenGay; as it would hold same amount of lack of actual credibility.

    Dr. Benway
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Benway

  • But the fact is that you can not provide that said actual evidence, as it does not exist.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiolgical studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period.Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unrealiable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    What the News Isn’t Saying About Vaccine-Autism Studies
    http://sharylattkisson.com/what-the-news-isnt-saying-about-vaccine-autism-studies/

    Debunking “Autism Not Linked To Vaccines” Study (again)
    http://edgytruth.com/2015/04/28/debunking-autism-not-linked-to-vaccines-study-again/

    The Lewin Study: Another Backward Epidemiological Exercise That Proves Nothing, (published in The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)
    https://idsent.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/the-lewin-study-another-backward-epidemiological-exercise-that-proves-nothing/

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

  • Your, and no identity Benway’s endless denial of all, and your refusal to face vaccine reality, has obviously been replicated repeated, and that is for sure.

  • The inability of so called sciencerules, to make any fair and reasonable comparisons that hold any merit in this so called discussion, and in that reply; should be obvious to anyone with basic common sense and comprehension ability. There is nothing more to respond to, and nothing more deserving to be in regard to that reply..

  • Obviously not in your big pharma directed and educated standard medical model of it all; and all yet still in the dark ages of physiological understanding, there wouldn’t be; and nor in regard to the term zeta potenial.

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/aluminum-vaccine-adjuvants.html

  • REDACTED VACCINE DEATH FORENSICS REPORT
    Baby M’s Parents,
    http://www.vacfacts.info/baby-ms-parents-vaccine-death-forensics-report.html

    No evidence?

    09 Andrew Moulden En 08 de 11
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96oYJ6rOABg

    09 Andrew Moulden En 07 de 11
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hUOVChsJ9w

    Dr. Andrew Moulden getting the message of truth out to people about the extreme corporate corruption of Health Canada, the FDA, and other corporate controlled medical care entities that are, in fact, destroying peoples health with vaccines and other chemical pharmaceutical drugs.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbo5vf_health-canada-corruption-dr-andrew_news

    Tolerance Lost Vol 1/3 – 1 of 16 – Moulden (6 hrs of video)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZXM-TKvLN8

    Dr. Andrew Moulden: Every Vaccine Produces Harm
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/dr-andrew-moulden-every-vaccine-produces-harm/

    Dr. Andrew Moulden: Every Vaccine Produces Microvascular Damage
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/dr-andrew-moulden-every-vaccine-produces-microvascular-damage/

    Dr. Moulden’s New Medical Discovery: Moulden Anoxia Spectrum Syndromes (MASS) http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/dr-mouldens-new-medical-discovery-moulden-anoxia-spectrum-syndromes-mass/

    Dr. Andrew Moulden: Learning to Identify Vaccine Damage
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/dr-andrew-moulden-learning-to-identify-vaccine-damage/

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    A More Rigorous Defense of Al Adjuvant, and Why it is Wrong

    Vaccine advocates use several arguments to defend aluminum adjuvant safety. One common argument, discussed HERE, is based on comparing the amount of aluminum obtained from foods and breastmilk with the amount received from vaccines. Vaccinepapers.org has shown this line of reasoning to be wrong here http://vaccinepapers.org/danger-aluminum-vaccines/ and here http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    But vaccine advocates also use other more sophisiticated reasoning to justify aluminum adjuvant.

    Vaccinepapers.org does not set up and knock down the “straw man”. That is intellectually dishonest and a favorite tactic of the vaccine advocates. We take on the absolute best arguments of the vaccine advocates, honestly and objectively. And that’s what we’re going to do with the most rigorous defense of aluminum adjuvant that the vaccine advocates have to offer: the papers by Keith and Mitkus.

    The Other Arguments

    The other, more sophisticated arguments in defense of aluminum adjuvant are described by the Oxford Vaccine Group, at Oxford University:

    Read more:
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Dr Suzanne Humphries. Aluminum is toxic to all life forms: The case against aluminum in vaccines.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZe99K12740

    Aluminum is Toxic to All Life Forms: So Why is it Used in Vaccines?
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/aluminum-is-toxic-to-all-life-forms-so-why-is-it-used-in-vaccines/

  • Of course you are not going to find proven cases as they all ignore the evidence, and/or are not looking for that evidence. What do you think took place in the 1918 flu pandemic? Somehow you are unable to grasp and comprehend the load of antigen, aluminum adjuvants, and actual toxicity that exists in multiple vaccines; as to from 5 to up to 9 or more vaccines injected in a single day and office visit. You simply bought the actually unstudied garbage that they fed you, in minimizing this risk. Where are the studies? I have asked for those studies here repeatedly, and you obviously know and as I do, that it is impossible to produce such actual studies, that do not exist.

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

  • And what would happen to his career if he ever implicated vaccines? But thanks for in your denial of all, falsely minimizing what is and has been in front of you.

    Does Henry Krous realize as well that a large number of parents have been falsely charged for shaken their babies, (SBS) and that more and more experts are now coming forward to state the the examiners and prosecutors have been wrong? If they didn’t understand that; then how would they have ever correctly determined that vaccines were not involved with SIDS? Has Henry ever even considered before even as much as the issue of vaccine depletion of vitamin C?

    Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS): Major Causes are Known but Ignored
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/sudden-infant-death-syndrome-sids-major-causes-are-known-but-ignored/

    New and recent developments, and information in regard to SBS.

    Published: March 20, 2015
    Shaken science
    A disputed diagnosis imprisons parents
    Prosecutors build murder cases on disputed Shaken Baby Syndrome diagnosis
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/shaken-baby-syndrome/

    And how many falsely accused parents and caregivers, do we yet need to get out of prisons?

    March 23, 2015
    When babies die, a disputed diagnosis sends parents to prison for abuse

    For decades, when a child appeared in an emergency room with certain symptoms, including bleeding behind the eyes and bleeding around the brain, many doctors assumed violent shaking to be the cause. But in recent years, the Shaken Baby Syndrome diagnosis has come under intense scrutiny, and so have many of the resulting prosecutions and convictions. Special correspondent Jackie Judd reports.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/babies-die-disputed-diagnosis-sends-parents-prison-abuse/

    New Film Exposes Shaken Baby Syndrome Myth – Opponents Want to Silence it at Film Festivals
    http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/03/11/new-film-exposes-shaken-baby-syndrome-myth-opponents-want-to-silence-it-at-film-festivals/

    THE SYNDROME
    a feature investigative documentary
    http://thesyndromefilm.com/

    May 28, 2015
    Mainstream Media Finally Exposing Shaken Baby Syndrome as False Diagnosis – How Many Innocent Parents Have Suffered?
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/mainstream-media-finally-exposing-shaken-baby-syndrome-as-false-diagnosis-how-many-innocent-parents-have-suffered/

    Is Shaken Baby Syndrome Often Misdiagnosed and Caused by Vaccine-Induced Rickets? http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/01/06/is-shaken-baby-syndrome-often-misdiagnosed-and-caused-by-vaccine-induced-rickets/

    Many Experts Have Discredited Shaken Baby Syndrome. So Why Is Maria Mendez Still in Prison?
    http://www.laweekly.com/news/many-experts-have-discredited-shaken-baby-syndrome-so-why-is-maria-mendez-still-in-prison-4137146

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • Makes for some interesting and informative reading.

    Can We Trust the CDC? British Medical Journal Reveals CDC Lies About Ties to Big Pharma

    Health Impact News

    “Tom Harkin Global Communications Center PHIL 8876″ by James Gathany, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Image source.

    Jeanne Lenzer, associate editor of the British Medical Journal, has published an investigative report showing how the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is not honest when publishing disclaimers in their studies stating that “they have no financial interests or other relationships with the manufacturers of commercial products.”

    This news does not come as a surprise to those of us in the alternative media, but it is significant that the report was published in one the world’s most respected medical journals, the British Medical Journal. Lenzer explains why this is so significant:

    The CDC’s image as an independent watchdog over the public health has given it enormous prestige, and its recommendations are occasionally enforced by law.

    She goes on to quote Marcia Angell, former editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine:

    The CDC has enormous credibility among physicians, in no small part because the agency is generally thought to be free of industry bias. Financial dealings with biopharmaceutical companies threaten that reputation.

    CDC Receives Millions of Dollars in Industry Gifts and Funding

    Lenzer goes on to document in her investigative report how the CDC has been receiving millions of dollars in “industry gifts and funding” since at least 1983.

    Despite the agency’s disclaimer, the CDC does receive millions of dollars in industry gifts and funding, both directly and indirectly, and several recent CDC actions and recommendations have raised questions about the science it cites, the clinical guidelines it promotes, and the money it is taking.

    Lenzer writes that in 1983 the CDC was “authorised” to accept this funding from pharmaceutical companies, and that in 1995 Congress actually passed legislation that was signed into law by President Bill Clinton “to encourage relationships between industry and the CDC.”

    Jeanne Lenzer’s report in the BMJ gives several examples of how funding from the pharmaceutical industry probably effected the outcomes of research studies used to promote questionable drugs.

    CDC Spends $4 Billion of Taxpayer Funds to Purchase Vaccines

    Read more:
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/can-we-trust-the-cdc-british-medical-journal-reveals-cdc-lies-about-ties-to-big-pharma/

    MAY 8, 2015 by DAVE MIHALOVIC
    Vaccination Is The Driving Force Behind The Destructive Evolution of Viruses and Pharmaceutical Companies Know It
    http://preventdisease.com/news/15/050815_Vaccination-Behind-Destructive-Evolution-Viruses-Pharmaceutical-Companies-Know-It.shtml

    Here we likely go again, with just more false discrediation, and without addressing directly the subject matters, ever.

  • chemfreemom

    So what are you disputing fodor? I do know the difference between mortality and morbidity. I said the “death rates” dropped dramatically BEFORE the vaccines, and this is very true. As for morbidity, I’ve already said that that is not important to me because I don’t think we should be trying to avoid getting benign childhood diseases that give lifetime immunity and strengthen the immune system, especially with drugs that cause even more problems.

  • chemfreemom

    And, you are probably too young to remember how benign these diseases actually were once our nutrition improved.

  • Robert Hakes

    But they didn’t actually prove she died from vaccines…

    This site also interviewed someone I know and they twisted her story to fit their needs. Don’t lecture me.

  • Robert Hakes

    There’s also a challenge out there to prove the world is round. No one is attempting to prove it because A) There’s no point and B) even if they proved it, the person would find some way to refute it.

  • Robert Hakes

    Lol, can you prove that I am a hack and I make any money from “big pharma?”

  • Robert Hakes

    Vaccines account for 2% of the pharmaceutical industry’s revenue. I think your point is kind of moot.

  • Robert Hakes

    Are you a doctor?

  • Stephen Gore

    Is that supposed to be all at the same time???? The average volume of a vaccine is 0.5ml. You don’t have to be a scientist to know that 100,000 of those would equate to 50 LITERS of fluid. You would die. Not because of the ingredients in the vaccines, but because the osmotic effect would cause every cell in your body to swell and burst. As I said earlier, everything is safe in small doses, it is the dose size that dictates toxicity. 100,000 x any of the ingredients in a vaccine will likely kill you, that is a ridiculous proposal for anyone to make.

  • Stephen Gore

    You didn’t address his point though, if the body is so perfectly balanced why do we bother eating food or drinking water, or even breathing for that matter? Did you know that sulfur is found in cysteine which is a semi-essential amino acid. Sulfur is quite toxic, yet still we have to ingest cysteine containing proteins in order to survive. How comes we are so perfectly balanced we need to ingest all these things every day?

  • sabelmouse

    mortality statistic scam??? are you saying that the numbers of people getting something is more important than those dying or being damaged by that something? funny!

  • sabelmouse

    because the only thing vaccination really affected is morbidity it must of course be more important to pro shills than mere death or damage.
    the idea of peeps getting something and getting away unscathed or even being better for it is really damaging to that whole ”vaccines saved us” idea.
    it would be funny if it weren’t so nefarious.

  • sabelmouse

    really funny!

  • Tennille Shelley

    Here’s a story for you. My son was killed by his vaccines and the only way I could participate in the compensation program was to never speak of it again. If they’re so safe, why does a vaccine injury and death compensation fund even exist at all? The end. PS. Please come back here and preach after you’ve buried your child.

  • Karen

    Then that cowardly criminal should have never said it in the first place if there was no point to it! Believing in whether the earth is round or flat isn’t “mandatory” and it can’t kill, disable or cause other diseases. Scientists are not running to the Supreme Court to get everyone to believe the earth is round.

  • Karen

    You clearly did not read the article. Paul Offit said in theory a small child can safely take 100,000 vaccines all at once. That BEAST later dropped it way down to just 10,000. He probably changed it because he realized the true psycho just came out of him instead of the “charming” and trusting doctor.

    http://www.whale.to/vaccines/offit23.html

    And no it is not safe to give poisons in even just the smallest amounts which is why people have died, become disabled and suffer from a host of ailments or diseases.

    There is no profit in health. There is only profit in sickness. Which is why a pharma rep told a doctor at a conference (this doctor opposes vaccines) that the vision statement for the pharma companies is to have every child, woman and man taking anywhere between 1-3 medications. What is the best way to achieve that goal?

    Through vaccination! Flouride in the water and GMOs will also help to accelerate more sickness.

    These sick fiends just love us to death!

    http://www.whale.to/vaccines/offit23.html

  • Karen

    I’m so sorry to hear about your loss. I am also sick and tired of these wicked wolves in sheep’s clothing getting away with all of these murders. We are nothing but human experiments to them. What is being done to the human population would make the Nazis look like rookies today.

    History continues to repeat itself.

  • Amiresse

    Karen RIGHT ON!!!!!

  • chemfreemom

    Can you prove that the risk from the diseases, in the U.S., is greater than the risk from the diseases?

  • chemfreemom

    It’s fairly common.

  • chemfreemom

    What kind of food are YOU eating? And, eating toxins is less dangerous than injecting them.

  • chemfreemom

    True. Plus, I think they just don’t know any better.

  • fodor

    So let’s see if I understand this.
    You create a website called “Vacfacts” (that is your own website, isn’t it?)
    On it you post articles with scary headlines (that you wrote yourself) about vaccine ingredients.
    Under each article is a long list of “references” that supposedly support the articles conclusions. Except many of them have nothing to do with the subject at hand, and some of them actually contradict you. (Doesn’t matter as long as the list is long)
    Then you use the articles as references in other postings, pretending like it is “research”.
    Sounds like a con job. A con job from a . . .

  • Hannah Haha

    Food and water intake is just a little bit different than aluminum and formaldehyde intake, don’t you think? Although you can throw you natural balance off with unhealthy food and contaminated water and oxygen, so they too can be dangerous. Although I am sure you understand how detrimental chemical imbalance in the body and brain can be you seem to be taking it lightly.

  • fodor

    What Paul Offit said is that the immune system isprojected to be capable of handling tens or hundreds of thousands of different antigens at the same time. No-one has suggested actually submitting a person to such a test except the ridiculous disease-promoters.

  • Karen

    That monster is trying to “prove” that vaccines are “safe” in many combinations. If someone is going to make a statement such as this then they should not have any problems whatsoever getting those shots themselves. Prove the opposition wrong!

    He knows all about the damage vaccines can cause. But he could care less. This eugenicist is laughing all the way to the bank!

    Please stop making up excuses for pieces of humanity hating s**t such as this man!

  • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

    1. Mercury in any form and level IS poisonous… and yes, the threshold for toxicity differs from individual to individual however
    WHO will be affected adversely is generally not known until it is too late and some people have an exceptional sensitivity…
    2. You are incorrect in saying there is NO mercury in any childhood vaccines as several of them still contain trace amounts…
    3. Adding to what the human body already containsis the issue…
    4. Adjuvants such as aluminum are also poisonous (see 1.)
    5. AGAIN, it is adding to what the human body already contains that is the issue.
    6. Adjuvants help activate the immune system, allowing the antigens— pathogen components that elicit an immune response BUT they also serve as a significant risk factor to specific people with lowered immunities or familial health issues as well as hypersensitivity issues… ESPECIALLY in multiple vaccine incidents.
    7. While diseases had not “all but disappeared” they were on the decline due to new health and safety approaches by government
    and individuals.
    8. If herd immunity worked properly and the vaccines worked as touted then there would not be so many vaccinated people who
    get these diseases when there is an outbreak…

    The reason you see no link is because you are not personally
    invested in this case or any other case when a child’s life has been lost or permanently damaged due to a vaccine reaction…
    As for making the accusation that someone is only “listening to everything that agrees with…” their “…pre-formulates opinion…” I would say that the same is true of yourself.

    I am one of those parents that lost a child due to a vaccine
    reaction… Jessica was 3 months old when this happened. She was a healthy, happy, giggling bundle of blonde haired, blue eyed adorability…. the day I took her in for her vaccines. My older 3 children had already been medically contraindicated from having more vaccines due to severe reactions in EACH of them…
    However Jessica had a different father from them and so I allowed myself to be convinced by the doctor that there would be a difference, that Jessica would not have the same reactions as my other children had with their vaccines… He was right, she didn’t have the same reactions! Within hours of her vaccines she was lethargic, would barely nurse, pale and clammy feeling. Something just didn’t feel right to me so I decided to take her to the emergency room… They couldn’t find anything wrong with Jessica and after 3 hours in the ER they were going to release us to go home… The doctor came back in to give us our release
    papers and Jessica projectile vomited and turned paler than I knew anyone could turn. (Just reliving this is HELL) to make a long story short Jessica spent just over 2 days in the hospital with one of the top neonatologists in the country trying to save her… Finally her little body just couldn’t take any more after several cardiac arrests, attempts at manual dialysis and massive amounts
    of drugs and the doctor told me there was no chance… I sat in a room with her father and held my baby, her older siblings came in and got to kiss her goodbye and talk to her a little about how much they loved her and the doctor kept coming and checking
    her heart then walking back to the door… Then there was the last time, he came and listened, looked at me sadly and walked over and out of the room. I already knew she was gone, I heard her last gasp of breath, felt her little body give up in my arms… Do you know what her cause of death was??? The doctor called it a “hypersensitive reaction”… Interesting eh??? Something that you do to save your child from harm, something that you do because you are told it is safe, that you need to do it, that it is best for your children KILLED my baby girl… Jessica Nichole Marshall…. RIP baby girl!!!!!

    Now, don’t get me wrong… I am not against vaccines… I am for informed and intelligent consent… I am for people knowing their family medical history… I am for people doing research and not following what everyone tells them to do when it comes to the lives of their children… I am for full disclosure of ALL benefits and adversities… I am for k=making a decision based on all of these things…

  • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

    Your comment is nonsensical and quite inane… Sorry but accusations like that can be looked at as very libelous…

  • fodor

    What if it is the truth?

  • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

    dihydrogen monoxide. is simply another name for water… I mean really?!?!??! Come on!!!

  • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

    IF it is the truth you should be able to prove it… Can you??? And just saying you can is not good enough.

  • fodor

    Wow, the hate is strong there. Must be because Dr. Offit is well equipped with the science and evidence to prove the lies from the disease-promoters are wrong.

  • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

    It would seem he does run the site, however he does not write the linked articles…

  • fodor

    You are promoting not preventing diseases that kill, disable and cause other diseases at rates many, many, many times higher than any vaccines. That sounds criminal to me.

  • Hannah Haha

    It’s possible that vaccines did not injure the child, it’s possible they did. I understand how fanatic and ridiculous some people are about this subject. However if it was your child and you truly felt something or someone was responsible for their death you might get a little ridiculous yourself. The thing is you defend these vaccines to a point where they have never caused harm to anyone anywhere. I’m sure you realize that there have been many, many drugs pass clinical trials, studies, FDA approval and have killed plenty of people.

  • Karen

    Yes the hate is strong here for the haters of humanity!

    I hope you watch The Swine Flu Fraud of 1976 that was on 60 minutes back in the late 70s when real journalism still existed before the pharma companies took complete control over the media.

    http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/kennedy-drops-bombshell-70-news-ad-revenue-from-pharma

    Also on YouTube The Quiet Killer – The Same Vaccines You Give Your Children May Be Killing Them. Learn about the polio vaccine that was contaminated with 40 monkey viruses which is why it was called SV40. If that wasn’t bad enough, a scientist in charge of safety testing the vaccines discovered the vaccines were contaminated and reported it to the “proper authorities” who still let the vaccine be injected into millions of people. The concerned scientist’s career was over shortly after that.

    This lecture also gets into weaponizing cancer using vaccines and a Castro/JFK connection.

    Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.

  • Karen

    Fodor please travel outside of the Matrix and swallow the “red pill”.

    It is the other way around. You are either being hoodwinked or you are fully aware of what is going on. If vaccines are so safe and effective, why were the pharma companies granted blanket immunity? Right now you can sue for other drugs and win but taxpayers pay for vaccine deaths and other damages in a ” special vaccine court” that most people don’t even know exists – unless they have done their research, of course.

  • fodor

    And how many autopsies have you performed? What makes you think you are any kind of an expert?

  • Hannah Haha

    Oh god. I am so sorry. You made me run over and kiss my sleeping son. No one can understand how you really feel unless they have gone through it.

    For those of you who will not admit that vaccines can injure and kill thank god every day that your child is safe. And whatever you do, don’t mock the pain of a mother that has lost her child. While every child vaccinated will not die, for the family of those who do one is too many.

  • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

    Keep that sweetie close! Some people think that I tell my story for attention… In a way they are right, I tell my story not for attention to myself but for attention to the little ones. Like I have said many times, I am not an anti-vaccine person… I am an intelligent vaccine person.
    And thank you for being kind.

  • fodor

    Tenille, what’s a “MARION COUNTY WRIT OF BODILY ATTACHMENT CHILD SUPPORT”?

  • Wrong. And you in your obvious refusal to actually go there, and in your delusional state of mind, made it all up.

    My site is a one of a kind and as well contains ZERO articles written by myself, on any of its titled pages. What my site contains is reference material, data, multiple scientific studies published in many forms of existing health care journals, and a MASSIVE amount of information regarding the understanding of the current and standard big pharma directed and schooled medical model. There exists on the site as well historical information that goes back to the days even before there existed any big pharma. It shows you who the players were and as well who and what they intentionally left out as to the real history of so called modern medicine, and it buy out by the Rockefeller family and their oil and rail money at specific times in history.

    Those two pages I gave you contain actually nothing more than a long list of applicable studies published in actually reputable health care journals and as well Pubmed. That and additionally data and video information explaining the entire situation with said aluminum adjuvants much further.

    Now, do we need ANY more evidence here that the provaccine trolling shills are using non human bots to reply post their work? Either that, or the person who reply posted the above, is and has to be an entirely mindless non human slug that simply in their error assumed that no person would ever actually look at those pages to determine what was there. Nice job.

  • If that is the case then why have you failed to answer my direct questions here regarding that said science? I think you are a bot, because no human being could actually be that ignorant and literally mindless and non observant of what has existed here in these reply posts. You again FAIL…on EVERY …level.

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Part 1: Immune Activation and Autism
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    See all posts on Immune Activation

    Part 1: Immune Activation and Autism
    Part 2: Interleukin-6 and Autism
    Part 3: Monkey Experiments
    Part 4: (Coming Soon) Prenatal vs. Postnatal Immune Activation

    http://vaccinepapers.org/immune-activation/

    Scientific Papers Library
    Immune Activation
    http://vaccinepapers.org/scientific-papers-library/

    A More Rigorous Defense of Al Adjuvant, and Why it is Wrong
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    VRM: The Problem With Vaccines Part 2 – Synergistic Effect of Heavy Metal Toxicity On The Body
    http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=6097

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    Page two of the studies:
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    Aluminum Adjuvants – Lack of Safety Data – Lack of Aluminum Adjuvant Safety Studies (Read about the determination of aluminum considered by the FDA as GRAS, generally regarded as safe, thus requiring no safety studies to be done, and for over 80 years now, this has gone on).
    http://www.vacfacts.info/aluminum-vaccine-adjuvants.html

    Dr Suzanne Humphries. Aluminum is toxic to all life forms: The case against aluminum in vaccines.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZe99K12740

    Dr. Chris Shaw discusses the toxic side effects of Aluminum in Vaccines. Oct-21-2009
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsAKoRx60xs&feature=youtu.be

    Paul Offit-The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/paul-offit—the-real-truth.html

  • Hannah Haha

    As you rightly should. It is important to bring attention to this issue. Every time I get on here to post any comment I do it for my child, your child, all children. I am not anti vaccine either, but I am anti dishonesty. I think most of us fight this fight not to do away with vaccines, but to achieve safer vaccines. I know we all love our children so instead of denying the danger exists we should come together to change the way we combat infectious diseases.

    If anyone here is unkind to you don’t let it get you down. People can be insensitive to pain they themselves have not experienced. Keep your head up.

  • Wrong …fodor.. Those 49 doses of 14 vaccines before the age of 6, and 34 of those doses of vaccine before by the age of two, have never been studied for any form of actual physiologically based safety profile, anywhere in the world, and not ever. It has never been studied as well the physiological safety profile in giving an infant, and/or small child from 5 to up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit. You do not understand the real and major risks whatsoever and nor do you choose to, and because all you ever do is reparrot the same old false and misleading misinformation, that you and all of the public were fed. You can just keep on living in your delusional world; but people who actually care about educating themselves to the vaccine truth, choose not to.

    Can We Trust the CDC? British Medical Journal Reveals CDC Lies About Ties to Big Pharma
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/can-we-trust-the-cdc-british-medical-journal-reveals-cdc-lies-about-ties-to-big-pharma/

  • Because I do, and accept the endless and found valid independent research that you refuse to do. Keep living in your big pharma directed and self made world of delusions.

  • Really? If there were no additional incentive to produce new vaccines after the 1987 enacted vaccine compensation act, and the founding of the federal vaccine court which allows for now zero liability for vaccine manufacturers; then WHY have the numbers of vaccines and vaccine doses tripled since that act came into enactment and fruition? Why as well are there now said over 100 additional vaccines in the pipeline looking for final production and FDA approval; if there an significance to your minuscule 2% figure? Pharmaceutical drugs still have a major liability factor and attached to the pharmaceutical risk in the sale of. Vaccines and vaccine providers, do not have that said risk.

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.nbc12.com/story/27941803/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

    Merck Measles Vaccine Sales Surged as California Outbreak Grew
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-28/merck-measles-vaccine-sales-surged-as-california-outbreak-grew

    A Shot In The Wallet
    http://www.dddmag.com/articles/2009/12/shot-wallet

  • Feds award family $7.4 million over disabling vaccines
    http://www.kctv5.com/story/28183081/feds-give-family-74-million-over-disabling-vaccines

    This again must be one of those and the the one in a million doses that they at the CDC say is the risk factor and the ratio with the current CDC vaccine schedule. The in their arrogance they state that even then you likely can not prove it was a vaccine, or the vaccines.

    And what do they base that said claim on? First in their big pharma directed training, doctor of all kinds are fraudulently told that vaccine injury causing vaccine reactions are very rare, and the same thing that they put forth to the public. Doctors are obviously never given any instruction in and as to what to look for in a severe vaccine reaction and resulting injury, or even as much as what a vaccine injury looks like. Do we have any so called doctors in the house that want to dispute me on that said? When a doctor sees as well an infant that dies after multiple vaccination; do they closely follow up in any way and/or file a VAERS report? Not a chance, as they will deny it all and again claim to that any claimed vaccines injuries, are not vaccine injuries, and it all must be again a coincidence, and that no proof of vaccine injury exists ever. Vaccines, the single greatest source of said coincidence on the planet earth So again what do they base that said 1` in 1 million figure on? You guessed it; and if the US congress were to take Paul Offit in front of them and ask him the same question; he would be ending up looking like the most inept and vaccine for profit insane man on ever on planet earth If they as well asked him what about your claim stating that infants and children can safety tolerate 10,000 vaccines in a single day; where do you think that would as well end up going; if the study evidence for that were asked for that claim, point blank Offit has nothing, and he never has had anything to back up his claims; within any form of human biology and physiology. Prove me wrong? You are going to in fact end up looking sillier, more in denial, and more in believing simply reparotted and false nonsense, than anything else in life, could ever make you be.

    Did you know as well that the CDC is NOT part of the US gov’t? They are allowed to advise and to as well advise congress; which by the found that no where near to enough vaccine safety testing had been done. And what transpired then to correct that situation? Absolutely nothing. Who is protecting you and your family? You and ONLY you are; and in what you have independently researched.

    So, what additionally has transpired, here? Oh, that’s right, the CDC through NACCHO, and big pharma’s lobbying are not trying to remove your available philosophical and religious vaccine exemptions, state by state, and with only a medical exemption left as a said option; and that option is as well controlled by the CDC as dictated by them to doctors what is an acceptable medical exemption, which of course allows little to nothing to be accepted. Imagine that. Total monopoly, and total control; and of all information ever provided to the public; and it never ends; and THIS is happening, in America. Standing up in numbers and getting the message of vaccine truth out there, is all we have ever had, and all that we have left.

  • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

    Oh, I don’t let people like Hans get to me… That is simply a waste of time :) Nice talking to you!

  • sabelmouse

    some might not. as far as i see it’s like this; the ill informed sheep, the fanatical and , in their own opinion, well informed sheep, and the proshills.

  • Han Thrawn

    Actually, you are the one jumping to conclusions. I was startled when I read this article by the complete lack of journalistic integrity. It’s an anecdote at best. This poor kid died. Even the article admits that it was NEVER proven that it was vaccines that did it.

    I was shocked by the amount of “The doctor is now suspicious of vaccines” I mean…..what a crock. Complete hearsay and until we hear it from the doctor, no way.

    There is a correlation here…….but no causation proven. Scuba teacher is not inappropriate. They are pointing out the obvious. You can make assumptions all you want, but anyone subscribing to the notion that we don’t know what killed the youngster is technically correct. This entire article is highly suspect. Badly written and meant to be a tear-jerker. So much of that story is questionable.

    It’s irresponsible. It’s just more of the fluff that comes from anti-vaxxers. And the sources that people are putting up are hilariously poor. “Vactruth” and “Vaccinepapers.” It’s hilarious.

    The research you do on “google” is not the same as the research that real science does. Even the history backs them up. But…..believe what you will. There’s no stopping that.

  • walterkovacs

    The house of cards built on actual evidence instead of wild fearmongering? There is no evidence that vaccines had anything to do with this child’s death, and that is why it wasn’t noted in the autopsy. Millions upon millions of children are vaccinated every day with no adverse effect whatsoever, the timeline in this case is merely coincidence.

  • walterkovacs

    I make no money for posting here, I just like watching stupidity and ill-informed fear in action. Even if vaccines had all of the ill effects listed by the non-peer reviewed studies consistently posted on sites like this, vaccinating your child would still be statistically safer than bringing them to the supermarket in your car.

  • Evan Davis

    Really, it’s true! Just look at the facts about this TOXIN! http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
    (You can tell it’s legitimate because it’s a .org site)

  • Karen

    The wild fearmongering comes from the pro vaccines side.

    When you have an industry that is granted immunity by the Supreme Court (Justice Ginsberg and Sotomoyar opposed the immunity) on their so-called “safe” and “effective” vaccines that is extremely suspect. Anyone with half a drop of common sense should be able to figure that out.

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/03/22/betrayal-of-consumers-by-us-supreme-court-gives-total-liability-shield-to-big-pharma.aspx

    If you want to have other species like monkeys, known carcinogens, toxins and even aborted fetal cells injected into your body in the name of “health”, then go ahead and do it 1,000 over. It is weakening and destroying people’s immune systems which is why you have so many ailments and diseases that either rarely existed or never even existed before.

    Trying to force foreign substances into people’s bodies is medical tyranny and it violates the Nuremberg Code and the Medical Code of Ethics.

    This has nothing to do with actual health – because there is no profit in health – but ABSOLUTE MONEY, POWER AND CONTROL OVER THE POPULATION.
    Do some research and see just how much the pharma companies are making on trying their “damndest” to keep people “healthy”.

    WAKE THE HELL UP!

  • One more case of “coincidence” “correlation” to add to the thousands of death babies list, and the ignorant masses, brainwashed by media and pharma will continue to say so. I feel very sad for this family and all the families around the world loosing their healthy babies this criminal way. But God will bring justice and as the Tobacco “science” end up falling apart this vaccine lies will too and the astroturf and trolls will be out of job or probably they will go to work for Monsanto and claim GMOs are healthy too!

  • Ruth

    The route which something is introduced to an organism is also important, such as injection versus ingestion. Also the health or the organism into which it is injected or ingested. Also how well developed the immune system is at the time of injection/ingestion. The organisms genetic propensity plays a part as well. This isn’t a simple issue, but a very complex one where ‘one size does not fit all’. What really gets me riled is the right to chose being taken away from people who want to avoid physical assault. Particularly on the most vulnerable of our population, infants. It’s disgusting the big pharma has such callous disregard for humanity’s welfare.

  • Ruth

    Actually the immune system does so naturally without the help of injections. Because it was designed by Mother Nature. We are doing this all the time. Where Paul Offit gets it woefully wrong is claiming that an adjuvant such as aluminium is not only safe, but necessary for molecular function. It’s actually a neurotoxin and has no way of being excreted efficiently particularly when injected into an infant. Also completely disregards the genetic effects of other biological contaminants to the immune system of an infant. The fact is, vaccines won’t work without adjuvants and in some cases they don’t work at all (this is called non responders).
    Paul Offit also has big issues with ‘conflict of interest’, as does the CDC and government when it comes to pharmaceuticals and profit to be earned. Perhaps his moral compass is a little bit skewed? I’m sure anybody who makes money out of a drug would not have a problem with being a ‘disease-promoter’.

  • Ruth

    It’s a total bag of worms the conflict of interest that those tied to big pharma have. How much control these people have over ordinary lives should be indirectly proportional to the amount of money involved, not directly proportional to it.

  • Ruth

    I agree, but with the hugely unacknowledged corruption and graft within all of these systems. What power does the average citizen have, when they are threatened?

  • Han Thrawn

    Okay…did you actually READ the link you posted? Here is what the husband of the woman said. It’s a cut and paste fro YOUR link!!

    “Despite all the difficulties, Jim Schutte remains a passionate advocate for vaccinations.

    “What happened to Carolyn is a rarity,” Schutte said. “It’s a freak of nature. It happens occasionally. But the chances of it happening to you are minimal compared to the risks of actually contracting the diseases you are being vaccinated against.”

    He’s not just talking internet research. He holds a doctorate in human growth development and had done post-doctoral work in biomedical research.

    One of his fears is that his wife’s rare reaction to a vaccine will further fuel the anti-vaccination movement that he is so strongly against.

    “I think people are taking anecdotal situations like Carolyn’s and making it into something it is not,” Schutte said”

    Which is EXACTLY what you did. Thank you for the brilliant and perfect example of the kind of ignorant insanity that you and your ilk are spreading like wildfire. Misinformation, half-truths, and barefaced lies.

    I’m not posting this for you….you’re a lost cause. This is for anyone sitting on the fence. They need to know.

  • Han Thrawn

    Yeah….he’s busted.

  • Han Thrawn

    Yeah…..that source sucks. Here is what you find when you look up the “About”

    “In recent years, powerful scientific evidence has emerged indicating that vaccines do cause autism, neurological damage and autoimmune diseases and may cause schizophrenia and other neurodevelopmental disorders and mental illnesses.”

    Okay….that’s been debunked more times then we can count and it’s gospel for this group? I wouldn’t trust this group for a second….and you’ve sourced them four times. Lousy source. Really bad.

  • Han Thrawn

    again…go to the “About Health Impact News”

    Look at the staff. Not a qualified doctor or immunologist in the bunch. My personal favorite,

    Brian Shilhavy – Brian Shilhavy is the Managing Editor and Founder of Health Impact News. He has a BA in Bible and Greek from Moody Bible Institute, and an MA in Applied Linguistics from Northeastern Illinois University.

    I mean….what a brutal source.

  • Han Thrawn

    You are using your own twisted web site to back up your facts? bizarre. You run Vacfacts!! The rest of the sources are just as bent. This is terrible!

  • Han Thrawn

    He’s not qualified to talk about ANYTHING. Look up his links and investigate the sources. It’s one tin-foil hat site after another. He’s nuts.

  • Han Thrawn

    You know ALL about self-made worlds of delusions. Enjoy yours, but don’t try to bring anyone else in it. Irresponsible.

  • Han Thrawn

    It wasn’t meant to be heart-felt….it was meant as a wake up call. Even the article is very clear that vaccines have NOT been proven to be the cause of death. Far more likely that it was something else.

  • Han Thrawn

    I know, right? I don’t believe it at all.

  • Han Thrawn

    Why? You wouldn’t believe it anyway. You’ve made up your mind and you post whatever brutal source supports your delusion. I think you’re completely nuts.

  • Your claim and point is entirely irrelevant. Holding a doctorate in human growth development and had done post-doctoral work in biomedical research; does NOT mean he has done and nor accepted any of the correct and independent research, in regard to the reality of and in the larger picture of vaccine truth, today and as well historically. Education means nothing, if you have not studied and learned the proper information. The fact is that the child was compensated fro vaccine inury; and there is no way to say this is rare, when the same thing has been compensated as well for many other families that have filed. Not near enough of the individuals and parents that deserved compensation were awarded it; but none the less the picture of vaccine injury is far greater in numbers than you will realize and ever admit to.

    He also made this statement which you omitted.

    Jim Schutte does wonder whether part of her reaction came as a result of having multiple vaccines at once. He says the Centers for Disease Control have not addressed the topic, but he reasons that since vaccines trigger an immune response, having multiple vaccines administered at one time could put a greater strain on the immune system. It’s with that reasoning that his grandson is getting his childhood vaccinations in spaced out doses, just in case his logic holds up.

    I would direct this information as well, to you.

    They can falsely claim to that vaccine injuries are rare, ONLY because they fail repeatedly to acknowledge them. Doctors and Pediatricians through their big pharma directed and schooled training are not given information nor training that would provide for recognizing and treating vaccine injuries. Instead they are told that the incidence of vaccine injury is so rare, being one chance in a million doses; that they likely will never even see it a avccine injury, in their practice and their during their entire career. And they simply and in error, believe this.

    Thus each and every time it happens and right in front of them, they deny that the outcome has had anything to do with vaccines, and claim that all of it just has to be again a coincidence. It just has to be something else for causation, which again and of course they never get to the bottom and root cause of, as to the diagnosis.

    The we have the VAERS reports with a known only 1 to 10% reporting factor, as well that remains entirely ignored as again just another unproven coincidence, and the entire game. They each and every time of course claim they looked at VAERS, and find nothing for concerning and common and similar occurences. They are literally either blind, or lying.

    And how many vaccines have they actually looked at in those several larger epidemiological studies that they claim have exonerated vaccines in the causation of autism, and or any other adverse effect, health outcome, affliction? The answer, is one vaccine, the MMR. How many vaccine ingredients did they look at as well in those said epidemiological studies? The answer is one, Thimerosal.

    So lets look at a well done analysis of those said epidemiological studies. Found were, flawed study designs, the use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes to the study, unsupported by the data; and as well major conflicts of interest regarding the studies funding sources.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    Where are the vaccine profile studies regarding the physiologiclally based and looked at safety profile of the current 2015 CDC vaccine schedule? Where are the studies regarding the safety in injecting from 5 to up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit? Where are the vaccine aluminum adjuvant safety profile studies? Considering all the vile substances that vaccines are grown on, and produced from; Where are the studies regarding the safety profile of injecting vaccines with, shown, known and unknown vaccine contamination in them? This is a serious issue that no purification step process known to man, has been able to resolve.

    Oh, and again a recent and new study finds and shows that the MMR vaccine does not cause autism, and that vaccines cause nothing. The mislead sheeple, then flocking right in to claim to that it is, and again now proven, true.

    No MMR-Autism Link in Large Study of Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Kids

    Author Affiliations
    1The Lewin Group, Falls Church, Virginia
    2Optum, Eden Prairie, Minnesota
    3A. J. Drexel Autism Institute, Drexel University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

    This is the study they are referring to in the said articles. The Lewin study.

    What the News Isn’t Saying About Vaccine-Autism Studies
    http://sharylattkisson.com/what-the-news-isnt-saying-about-vaccine-autism-studies/

    Debunking “Autism Not Linked To Vaccines” Study (again)
    http://edgytruth.com/2015/04/28/debunking-autism-not-linked-to-vaccines-study-again/

    The Lewin Study: Another Backward Epidemiological Exercise That Proves Nothing, (published in The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)
    https://idsent.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/the-lewin-study-another-backward-epidemiological-exercise-that-proves-nothing/

    NEW STUDY VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM, LEUKEMIA, LYMPHOMAS: Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology. Nevada Governor 2014
    http://nevadagovernor2014.com/new-study-vaccines-cause-autism-leukemia-lymphomas-journal-of-public-health-and-epidemiology-nevada-governor-2014-david-lory-vanderbeek/

    Here is the said study; and regarding the use of vaccines that have been production made with the use of human diploid tissue, (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.ms.academicjournals.org/article/article1409245960_Deisher%20et%20al.pdf

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    You may also want to review these studies on the below site page, as to the benefit of natural immunity to such as measles.

    More Vaccine Reality
    http://www.vacfacts.info/more-vaccine-reality.html

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine, (multiple outbreaks listed where it was found 80 to 90% of the oubreak was found in the fully vaccinated, on schedule)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    And here we have the many parental accounts of vaccine injury

    Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence – Videos made by partents etc. of the children vaccine injured.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw/videos?sort=p&live_view=500&flow=grid&view=0

    263 videos-Hear This Well.

    These are parental voices that the CDC of course, has avoided and refuses to listen to; and in continuing their claimed to one in a million vaccine doses, as being the odds of vaccine injury. Even then, the CDC yet also claims to that you still can not prove it was a vaccine, and nor multiple vaccines as the cause, in the adverse health effect on your own child, that you are seeing, and have seen happen. And what does th CDC base their claims on when it is fact that all doctors in their big pharma schooled and directed training, never get any education on what to look for regarding a vaccine injury, and much more any education on how to treat it. They incorrectly are taught that vaccine injury is so rare, that they likely will not even see it happen, in their entire career. After all, what doctor or even pediatrician will ever vacinate one million infants and children in their career; even if they practice until 75 years old?

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe

    Parents Voice: Children’s Adverse Outcomes Following Vaccination
    http://www.followingvaccinations.com/

    Stories of vaccine-injured children
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/stories-of-vaccine-injured-children/

    Then we have additionally THIS information.

    Vaccine Injuries and Deaths Continue to Increase in Federal Vaccine Court
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-continue-to-increase-in-federal-vaccine-court/

    Vaccine database wiped by government to hide uptick in admitted vaccine injuries
    http://www.naturalnews.com/049960_vaccine_injuries_government_database_censorship.html

    Mandatory Vaccines. Protecting Children or Stripping Away Freedom?
    http://edgytruth.com/2015/06/08/mandatory-vaccines-protecting-children-or-stripping-away-freedom/

    THE MMR VACCINE – A COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW OF THE POTENTIAL DANGERS AND EFFECTIVENESS
    http://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/issue/17-the-mmr-vaccine-a-comprehensive-overview-of-the-potential-dangers-and-effectiveness/

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine, (multiple outbreaks where 80 to 90% of the outbreak was found in the fully vaccinated, on schedule)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    DOCTORS AGAINST VACCINES – HEAR FROM THOSE WHO HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH
    http://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/doctors-against-vaccines-hear-from-those-who-have-done-the-research/

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.nbc12.com/story/27941803/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019

    Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS): Major Causes are Known but Ignored
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/sudden-infant-death-syndrome-sids-major-causes-are-known-but-ignored/

    Vaccination Is The Driving Force Behind The Destructive Evolution of Viruses and Pharmaceutical Companies Know It
    http://preventdisease.com/news/15/050815_Vaccination-Behind-Destructive-Evolution-Viruses-Pharmaceutical-Companies-Know-It.shtml

    Can We Trust the CDC? British Medical Journal Reveals CDC Lies About Ties to Big Pharma
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/can-we-trust-the-cdc-british-medical-journal-reveals-cdc-lies-about-ties-to-big-pharma/

    Why is the CDC Ignoring Explosion of Recorded HPV Vaccine Injuries, as Other Countries Move to Take Protective Action?
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/why-is-the-cdc-ignoring-explosion-of-recorded-hpv-vaccine-injuries-as-other-countries-move-to-take-protective-action/

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety-Gardasil: “I am not a coincidence”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

  • This is the same child and story. Four-month-old baby dies after being jabbed with 7 vaccines; autopsy report censors vaccine info (Nothing would be enough, for the vaccine shills).
    http://www.naturalnews.com/049996_vaccine_death_infant_mortality_coverup.html

  • Paul Garbovski

    Hygiene is the key to prevention of disease not just “certainly helped”. The proof is Africa. You can vaccinate the crap out of African people, but until they get proper sewage disposal and better hygiene conditions, the so called vaccine preventable disease will ravage their population.

  • Vaccines – And The Real Truth And Reality
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=181&v=dqGfUOuKB_M

  • Really? How is that?

  • Capt Ron

    Please define “Correct” and/or “Proper” research and information?

    It fits your paradigm?

    Or astute critical analysis based on the peer reviewer’s accumulated education and professional experience has shown it to be accepted as valid?

  • Capt Ron

    Most of the diseases that are chronic in Africa that can be prevented by proper sewage disposal and hygiene are not vaccine preventable. They are largely caused by viruses, bacteria and protozoas and are diarrheal in nature. The bulk of vaccine preventable diseases are respiratory route transmitted, tell us how sewage disposal prevents that?

  • Capt Ron

    Utilizing references in way Mr. Hubbs does has been referred to as “incestuous”!

  • Capt Ron

    Does Mr. Hubbs have moderator rights here to protect his image?

  • Capt Ron

    Where do I sign up for that “BIG PHARMA” paycheck? I’m looking at a new Bimmer!

  • If you are paying attention and reading what was reply posted here, you will have realized by now that the claim of your having scientific study proof of vaccine safety, being connected to and in having some sort of astute critical analysis based on peer reviewer’s accumulated education and so called professional experience; is a false claim, and means absolutely nothing when all the information is controlled and when nothing that is politically incorrect is left allowed to stand. It as well means nothing, when you can not come up with the studies to show any form of actual vaccine safety. Just as I have outlined and specifically outlined above.

    Correct and proper research means leaving so to speak, no stone left un-turned, and with all the information, research, and all forms of data thus allowed to be left on the table, and with full consideration. Most all of us who have done years of research have also repeatedly looked at all the pro-vaccine information, and the said studies. Nothing would ever be enough, now would it, so called Capt Ron? .

    And do you as well actually think that a system like this, is all directed by some sort of astute critical analysis and some so educated, peer review? Anyone actually making that said conclusion across the board; is obviously and entirely delusional.

    Conventional Medicine Is The Leading Cause Of Death In The US

    “The American medical system is the number one killer in the United States.”

    That’s the provocative claim made in this video produced by Mercola . com, the online home of wellness expert and bestselling author Dr. Joseph Mercola.

    But the video, titled “The Death of Blind Faith,” backs up its words with some sobering statistics. It lays 8 million deaths in one decade at the feet of conventional medicine — more than the combined American deaths in every war the nation has ever fought.

    “Do you have faith in conventional medicine?” the video asks. “How long can you turn a blind eye to the Truth?”

    The film points out that 7,000 patients die each year because of sloppy handwriting while 1.5 million are hurt by preventable medication mistakes. There are 7.5 million unnecessary medical and surgical procedures annually, and at least 106,000 deaths from adverse reactions to drugs.

    In fact, over half of the people in the United States have been given medical treatment unnecessarily, or 50,000 people per day. Out of all Americans, 42 percent have been affected by a medical mistake, and 84 percent know someone who has been.

    When patients do have adverse reactions to drugs, the video claims, only 6 percent are properly identified; instead, doctors blame the patent’s illness by improperly diagnosing new symptoms, and prescribe more unnecessary procedures and medications to combat them. The kicker? The reactions are often known side effects. They are expected to occur in a certain percentage of patients. It’s the price of doing business with the modern medical system.

    Read more:
    http://reset.me/story/conventional-medicine-is-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us/

    Death By Medicine

    By Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD

    Something is wrong when regulatory agencies pretend that vitamins are dangerous, yet ignore published statistics showing that government-sanctioned medicine is the real hazard.

    http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf

    Death by Medicine
    http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

  • eggman2

    The CDC says that there can be allergic reactions from VACCINES, but that is just bull crap because we are all allergic to pollution. More so injected under the skin.

  • eggman2

    I was listening recently to a rerun of an Art Bell’s coast to coast interview from the 90’s with an with an expert on VACCINES that said that some VACCINES contained a cross between a bacteria and a virus. Wonderful ( sarcastically speaking, of course), GMO’s in VACCINES, what a thrill.

    And that was way back then. Who knows what creepy surprises await you and your children, if you decide to vaccinate.

  • Capt Ron

    “no where near to enough vaccine safety testing had been done” ???

    13744 references return if you put “vaccine safety” into the PubMed search engine. How much is enough? Until they support your uninformed bias?

  • Argus

    There is a lot more that he wants to protect his image from than simply the fact that he constantly uses his own website as an authoritative “reference”.

    He is not the moderator, but he has the sympathy of the moderator and will get you banned if you bring up anything about his past activities.

    You can learn quite a lot about Hubbs’s unsavory background simply by doing an internet search for “Lowell Hubbs Vaccine Conspiracy Theorist”.

  • Capt Ron

    -> Statistically, lives saved by conventional medicine far outweigh, by a considerable margin, any deaths attributed. There are risks and benefits to EVERYTHING.
    -> Sloppy handwriting, typically cited on prescriptions that are misinterpreted, are a thing of the past with electronic transmission of prescriptions.

  • Capt Ron

    And… How do you define “vaccine injury” versus “adverse events”? Are your “vaccine injuries” here?

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

    Or in the extensive IOM study conducted by 18 NON-PHARMA INDUSTRY experts?

    http://www.iom.edu/~/media/Files/Report%20Files/2011/Adverse-Effects-of-Vaccines-Evidence-and-Causality/Vaccine-report-brief-FINAL.pdf

    And perhaps your “vaccine injuries” include pseudo-diagnoses like Chronic Lyme, Candida overgrowth or adrenal fatigue diagnosed by a naturopath doing live cell analysis?

  • walterkovacs

    >mercola

    Yes, I know you’re scared and dumb

  • walterkovacs

    ONLY A CALLOUS HEARTLESS SHILL WOULD ACCEPT REALITY

  • Karen

    Take a look at this you blissfully ignorant sheep! Or do you work for the highly corrupt and criminal pharma/medical industry that wants to keep all of the deaths and destruction your vaccines and medications cause kept quiet? People are become awake and people like you can’t handle it!

    The Swine Flu Fraud of 1976, 60 Minutes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8elE7Ct1jWw

    Why the FDA Should Be Charged With Murder.

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/why-the-fda-should-be-charged-with-murder/

    VIOXX Maker Merck and Co Drew Up Hit List

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/drug-company-drew-up-doctor-hit-list/story-e6frg6n6-1225693586492

    Judge: Lawsuit Against Merck’s MMR Vaccine Fraud to Continue

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/judge-lawsuit-against-mercks-mmr-vaccine-fraud-to-continue/

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-damaged-uk-victims-swine-flu-vaccine-get-60-million-compensation-1438572

  • walterkovacs

    Yes, I know you’re scared and dumb

  • Really? And just because it gives you references, you assume they all represent and present with proof of vaccine safety, just because it fits somewhere in the title. How many studies in Pubmed show serious issues of vaccine harm being done? But of course you didn’t even bother to look for, and nor to consider any of those.

    With 13744 claim references then why is it that you can not answer the question I have outlined here on this article already meany times? Where are the vaccine safety studies regarding the physiologically based safety profile of the entire combined current 2015 CDC vaccine schedule? Where are as well the physiologically based safety profile studies regarding giving an infant or small child from 5 to up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit? Where are the safety studies in regarding as well giving a just born infant an injection of Hep B vaccine, with an aluminum adjuvant in it? As I said before do not even bother giving me any IOM report, as that has already long ago been reviewed, and no such studies exist within it.

  • Obviously you refused to actually read the data and with its numbers. And if you think sloppy hand writing was the only issue, and in the past played any significant role in those total numbers; you again also did not read the data.

    The reality of that situation and as outlined, should humble every so called physician out there; but instead it seems to make them and people like you, even more falsely arrogant, and only further in denial. Your sense of reality is actually extremely twisted and warped, and as well obviously you refuse to realize that.

    Tell me, in the whole picture of it; how many conditions has so called modern pharma medicine cured, and with a real cure, and with as well a real and direct understanding of the true bases of causation? As to those cures if you can come up with any; how many of them eventually showed an outcome of having in the bigger picture, done more harm than good?

  • So then what you are saying is that the antigen thing Offit suggests is comparable to vaccines, and in regard to vaccine; it only amounts to a worthless comparison that has nothing to do with actual vaccine safety.

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Scientific Papers Library
    Immune Activation
    http://vaccinepapers.org/scientific-papers-library/

    Vaccines & Immunoexcitotoxicity – Dr. Russell Blaylock

    Dr. Russell Blaylock speaking at The National Autism Association (NAA).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYV8laCbNSE

    (To read Dr. Blaylock’s papers in full visit: http://www.russellblaylockmd.com )

    A More Rigorous Defense of Al Adjuvant, and Why it is Wrong
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    VRM: The Problem With Vaccines Part 2 – Synergistic Effect of Heavy Metal Toxicity On The Body
    http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=6097

  • Nothing in regard to that has ever been debunked ever? What do you not get about that they only looked at one vaccine and one single vaccine ingredient; and that all those epidemiological studies had flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources?

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    What the News Isn’t Saying About Vaccine-Autism Studies
    http://sharylattkisson.com/what-the-news-isnt-saying-about-vaccine-autism-studies/

    Debunking “Autism Not Linked To Vaccines” Study (again)
    http://edgytruth.com/2015/04/28/debunking-autism-not-linked-to-vaccines-study-again/

    The Lewin Study: Another Backward Epidemiological Exercise That Proves Nothing, (published in The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)
    https://idsent.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/the-lewin-study-another-backward-epidemiological-exercise-that-proves-nothing/

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.nbc12.com/story/27941803/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019

    Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence – Videos made by partents etc. of the children vaccine injured.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw/videos?sort=p&live_view=500&flow=grid&view=0

    263 videos-Hear This Well.

    These are parental voices that the CDC of course, has avoided and refuses to listen to; and in continuing their claimed to one in a million vaccine doses, as being the odds of vaccine injury. Even then, the CDC yet also claims to that you still can not prove it was a vaccine, and nor multiple vaccines as the cause, in the adverse health effect on your own child, that you are seeing, and have seen happen. And what does th CDC base their claims on when it is fact that all doctors in their big pharma schooled and directed training, never get any education on what to look for regarding a vaccine injury, and much more any education on how to treat it. They incorrectly are taught that vaccine injury is so rare, that they likely will not even see it happen, in their entire career. After all, what doctor or even pediatrician will ever vacinate one million infants and children in their career; even if they practice until 75 years old?

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe

    Parents Voice: Children’s Adverse Outcomes Following Vaccinationhttp://www.followingvaccinations.com/

  • In your denial, false discrediation may seem to cut it for you; but in reality it does nothing to discredit anything here at all. Shilhavy did not just simply pull the information out of his left shoe. The information came directly from the BMJ. Why did you not even read the article or enough to realize that.

    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: protecting the private good?
    http://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h2362

  • Vaccine injury involves obvious significant to major illness right after a vaccine or more often a load of vaccines are given, and which a child never fully recovers from. Vaccine injury takes a normal and health child, and leaves them profoundly vaccine injured to a point of obvious disability they never recover from. But its always something else, and vaccines are always the greatest source of so called unproven coincidence ever, on the planet earth It is not only the obvious vaccine injuries, but much more at issue.

    Why Do Vaccine-Pushers Chicken-out of Debates about Vaccines? (Paul Offit chickens of the debate)
    Catherine J. Frompovich
    http://www.activistpost.com/2015/04/why-do-vaccine-pushers-chicken-out-of.html

    MEDICAL NUREMBERG FOR CDC NOW!!!
    http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/medical-nuremberg-for-cdc-now

    Are Parents Going to Jail for Vaccine Injuries?
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/are-parents-going-to-jail-for-vaccine-injuries/

    New and recent developments, and information in regard to SBS.

    Published: March 20, 2015
    Shaken science
    A disputed diagnosis imprisons parents
    Prosecutors build murder cases on disputed Shaken Baby Syndrome diagnosis
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/shaken-baby-syndrome/

    And how many falsely accused parents and caregivers, do we yet need to get out of prisons?

    March 23, 2015
    When babies die, a disputed diagnosis sends parents to prison for abuse

    For decades, when a child appeared in an emergency room with certain symptoms, including bleeding behind the eyes and bleeding around the brain, many doctors assumed violent shaking to be the cause. But in recent years, the Shaken Baby Syndrome diagnosis has come under intense scrutiny, and so have many of the resulting prosecutions and convictions. Special correspondent Jackie Judd reports.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/babies-die-disputed-diagnosis-sends-parents-prison-abuse/

    New Film Exposes Shaken Baby Syndrome Myth – Opponents Want to Silence it at Film Festivals
    http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/03/11/new-film-exposes-shaken-baby-syndrome-myth-opponents-want-to-silence-it-at-film-festivals/

    THE SYNDROME
    a feature investigative documentary
    http://thesyndromefilm.com/

    May 28, 2015
    Mainstream Media Finally Exposing Shaken Baby Syndrome as False Diagnosis – How Many Innocent Parents Have Suffered?
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/mainstream-media-finally-exposing-shaken-baby-syndrome-as-false-diagnosis-how-many-innocent-parents-have-suffered/

    Is Shaken Baby Syndrome Often Misdiagnosed and Caused by Vaccine-Induced Rickets? http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/01/06/is-shaken-baby-syndrome-often-misdiagnosed-and-caused-by-vaccine-induced-rickets/

    Many Experts Have Discredited Shaken Baby Syndrome. So Why Is Maria Mendez Still in Prison?
    http://www.laweekly.com/news/many-experts-have-discredited-shaken-baby-syndrome-so-why-is-maria-mendez-still-in-prison-4137146

    Shaken baby syndrome or medical malpractice?
    Mohammed Ali Al-Bayati, PhD, DABT, DABVT

    Abstract
    Babies Alan, Robert, Lucas, and toddler Alexa were born at different places and times in the United States of America by different parents. However, they have many things in common: (1) vaccines and medications caused their deaths, (2) without conducting thorough medical and legal investigations, their treating physicians, medical examiners, police, and states accused their parents or caretakers of killing them, and (3) based upon an
    erroneous theory, their innocent parents or caretakers were imprisoned for killing their children by violent shaking and blunt trauma.

    The primary objective of health care providers and the State should be to find and then focus on the facts. It is the duty of the medical establishment to properly investigate the causes of injuries and death of children in cases such as these in order to prevent such tragedies from occurring again. Accusing innocent parents and caretakers of abusing and killing their children based upon unsupported theory, such as SBS, will not prevent
    the death of another child by vaccines and inappropriate medications. However, it certainly will lead to wrongful incarceration and unimaginable suffering—psychologically to parents/caretakers and physically to those fragile, highly sensitive children it is our duty to protect.

    http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mohammed_Al-Bayati/publication/228795434_Shaken_baby_syndrome_or_medical_malpractice/links/0deec524cc85f459e0000000.pdf

    Mohammed Ali Al-Bayati
    Ph.D., DABT, DABVT
    Toxicologist and Pathologist
    Toxi-Health International
    Summary of qualifications and experiences
    http://www.medicalveritas.com/Albayati.pdf

    Dr. Mohammad Ali Al-Bayati, PhD, DABT, DABVT Toxicologist & Pathologist
    Toxi-Health International
    http://www.toxi-health.com/

    Who Is Dr. Al-Bayati?http://www.thebyteshow.com/Dr.Al_Bayati.html

    VACCINE CHOICE PRAYER COMMUNITY

    Below are just some of the countless children who have died following vaccine injury. Please take a moment to light a candle or offer a prayer for them and for their families. More stories at Families Speak, Meet the Children, International Memorial for Vaccine Victims and My Gardasil Story.

    http://www.vaccinechoiceprayercommunity.org/we-remember.html

    Parents Voice: Children’s Adverse Outcomes Following Vaccination
    http://www.followingvaccinations.com/

    Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence – Videos made by partents etc. of the children vaccine injured.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw/videos?sort=p&live_view=500&flow=grid&view=0

    Hear This Well is a Response to Vaccine Fiction
    http://www.hearthiswell.org/

    263 videos-Hear This Well.

    These are parental voices that the CDC of course, has avoided and refuses to listen to; and in continuing their claimed to one in a million vaccine doses, as being the odds of vaccine injury. Even then, the CDC yet also claims to that you still can not prove it was a vaccine, and nor multiple vaccines as the cause, in the adverse health effect on your own child, that you are seeing, and have seen happen. And what does th CDC base their claims on when it is fact that all doctors in their big pharma schooled and directed training, never get any education on what to look for regarding a vaccine injury, and much more any education on how to treat it. They incorrectly are taught that vaccine injury is so rare, that they likely will not even see it happen, in their entire career. After all, what doctor or even pediatrician will ever vacinate one million infants and children in their career; even if they practice until 75 years old?

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe

    49 doses of 14 vaccines before the age of 6, and 34 of those doses by the age of 2; is what is currently on the CDC vaccine schedule.

    Vaccine Ingredients during the first 6 years of life if a child receives the CDC schedule of vaccines:

    • 17,500 mcg 2-phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
    • 5,700 mcg aluminum (neurotoxin)
    • Unknown amounts of fetal bovine serum (aborted cow blood)
    • 801.6 mcg formaldehyde (carcinogen, embalming agent)
    • 23,250 mcg gelatin (ground up animal carcasses)
    • 500 mcg human albumin (human blood)
    • 760 mcg of monosodium L-glutamate (MSG)(causes obesity & diabetes)
    • Unknown amounts of MRC-5 cells (human lung tissue)
    • Over 10 mcg neomycin (antibiotic)
    • Over 0.075 mcg polymyxin B (antibiotic)
    • Over 560 mcg polysorbate 80 (carcinogen)
    • 116 mcg potassium chloride (used in lethal injection to shut down the heart and stop breathing)
    • 188 mcg potassium phosphate (liquid fertilizer agent)
    • 260 mcg sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)
    • 70 mcg sodium borate (Borax, used for cockroach control)
    • 54,100 mcg of sodium chloride (table salt)• Unknown amounts of sodium citrate (food additive)
    • Unknown amounts of sodium hydroxide (Danger! Corrosive)
    • 2,800 mcg sodium phosphate (toxic to any organism)
    • Unknown amounts of sodium phosphate monobasic monohydrate (toxic to any organism)
    • 32,000 mcg sorbitol (Not to be injected)
    • 0.6 mcg streptomycin (antibiotic)
    • Over 40,000 mcg sucrose (cane sugar)
    • 35,000 mcg yeast protein (fungus)
    • 5,000 mcg urea (metabolic waste from human urine)
    • Other chemical residuals
    (From the book What The Pharmaceutical Companies Don’t Want You To Know About Vaccines by Dr. Todd M. Elsner)

    Vaccine Ingredients and Manufacturer Information

    Some vaccine ingredients include the following (however, more ingredients as listed by the vaccine manufacturer’s themselves) may be found at http://www.vaccine.procon.org:

    aluminum hydroxide
    aluminum phosphate
    ammonium sulfate
    amphotericin B
    animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, sheep blood, rabbit brain, dog kidney, monkey kidney, chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg, calf (bovine) serum, fetal bovine serum, casein, porcine (pig pancreas), hydrolyzed gelatin
    betapropiolactone
    formaldehyde
    formalin
    glycerol
    human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
    monosodium glutamate (MSG)
    neomycin
    neomycin sulfate
    phenol red indicator
    phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)•
    potassium diphosphate
    potassium monophosphate
    polymyxin B
    polysorbate 20
    polysorbate 80
    MRC5 proteins (from human cells)
    sorbitol
    sucrose
    thimerosal (ethyl mercury)
    tributyl phosphate (a plasticizer)

    http://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource.php…

    Dr. Suzanne Humphries Has A Lot To Say About Aluminum In Vaccines

    “By the age of 18 months, that infant has already received 4,925 micrograms (mcg) of aluminum, 100 percent of which is absorbed since it’s given intramuscularly. In the 1980s the amount of aluminum you got when following the childhood vaccination schedule amounted to 1,120 mcg, and importantly, it was given in more mature babies, not newborns. Today, American children end up getting a grand total of 6,150 mcg of aluminum if they get all of their recommended vaccines.”

    Read more:
    http://www.collective-evolution.com/…/dr-suzanne-humphries…/

    This is enough information and should be, to shut down the entire CDC directed infant vaccination schedule. But you know that again they will ignore it; because not to would finish them entirely.

    Suzanne Humphries, MD – Neonatal Immunity: The first 3 years of life:

    “Nothing should interfere with the immunologic programming, especially during the first three years.” Normal brain development depends on the baby maintaining a non-inflammatory state. Vaccines drive excessive inflammation and can derail normal brain development:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL8srdLw4c0

    NEW STUDY VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM, LEUKEMIA, LYMPHOMAS: Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology. Nevada Governor 2014
    http://nevadagovernor2014.com/new-study-vaccines-cause-autism-leukemia-lymphomas-journal-of-public-health-and-epidemiology-nevada-governor-2014-david-lory-vanderbeek/

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019, (with a zero legal liability factor)
    http://www.nbc12.com/story/27941803/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019

  • On the same page of thinking and false rationalization, the ADA has stated as well that only people with a mercury allergy need to be concerned with the safety of mercury containing amalgam tooth fillings in their mouth. Oh, and so just forget all about that mercury is a neurological poison. Just be, and only concerned with and about the allergy side of it. Just like with the to much and everything at this point to lose LUNACY of their vaccine safety claims. These trade organization people with their everything to lose, are simply operating like some demented and foolish idiots, just to save their careers and with there never having been any physiologically based health care science behind their mindless and across the board, and no matter what, everything is always proven as safe, claims. 25 well done studies could prove them wrong; but just because they are the falsely assumed authorities, and they have not accepted those studies; its still all good for them. No evidence and nor proof exists, ever; as they control all of the acceptable public directed information

  • Karen

    Wow! A real debater you are. You can go ahead believing that those deadly voodoo/witches brew of concoctions are healthy for you and I will go on believing they are not. It is scientific experimental madness. They only exist to increase profits for people who don’t give a damn about others okay?

  • Capt Ron

    Lobby your congressman to support changes to the CFR associated with clinical trials phase testing of vaccines.

  • Mary Meet

    Where is “autism” injury defined, or is it considered an “adverse” event continuing for an indeterminate length of time?

    OR is it considered included under “Permanent brain damage”, in which case “very rare” is truly inaccurate. “Very rare” HA! It is already as obtuse as it is misleading.

  • Mary Meet

    So much for MMR & CDC now
    Re: IOM, “Its conclusions
    reflect the best evidence available at the time.”
    Well now I’m convinced – BOLLOCKS!

  • fodor

    Yes, it appears that he does.
    And he has a lot to protect. Any post containing links to information about his past activities will be scrubbed almost immediately.

  • Capt Ron

    You seem to be quite hung up on those EVIL adjuvants and likely conjecture that they destroy the immune system! Yes, papers have appeared here and there studying adjuvants but with mixed conclusions. There’s a very recent (May 2015) systematic review by some Australian researchers and none of them are employed by BIG PHARMA:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25794485

    Revisiting adverse reactions to vaccines: A critical appraisal of Autoimmune Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants (ASIA). (Journal of Autoimmunity, May 2015)

    “In 2011 Shoenfeld and Agmon-Levin proposed a new syndrome as a way of grouping together a range of emerging autoimmune diseases with possible adjuvant-associated causes, Autoimmune/Auto-inflammatory Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants (ASIA). At present, there is no evidence to suggest that ASIA syndrome is a viable explanation for unusual autoimmune diseases. Since the initial paper, over 80 publications have discussed ASIA. This systematic review examines the research that has been done to investigate whether ASIA is a broad umbrella term with little clinical significance, or whether there is some underlying mechanism which could be utilised to reduce the occurrence of adjuvant mediated disease. Twenty-seven animal, epidemiological and case studies were reviewed. Unfortunately, a robust animal model of ASIA using biologically relevant doses of adjuvants has yet to be defined. It is also apparent that the broadness of the current ASIA criteria lack stringency and, as a result, very few cases of autoimmune disease could be excluded from a diagnosis of ASIA. The current studies involving human cases are so diverse, in both external stimuli and in resulting conditions, that there is currently a lack of reproducible evidence for any consistent relationship between adjuvant and autoimmune conditions. The addition of a mandatory criterion requiring temporal association and clinically relevant adjuvant dose would allow better definition of what constitutes a diagnosis of ASIA.”

    Note a few things in their findings:

    -> …a robust animal model of ASIA using biologically relevant doses of adjuvants has yet to be defined.

    -> …current studies involving human cases are so
    diverse, in both external stimuli and in resulting conditions, that there is currently a lack of reproducible evidence for any consistent relationship between adjuvant and autoimmune conditions.

  • Capt Ron

    I see you certainly don’t like IOM’s analysis of studies… But what about all the studies cited in the American Academy of Pediatrics vaccine safety document?

    https://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/vaccinestudies.pdf

    Oh – I get it now! If Mr. Hubbs doesn’t like it, it’s not valid!

  • TellItAsIs99

    California’s SB277 and a now federal bill has just been introduced in Florida which will both coerce parents to vaccinate their kids or be denied school access. These coerced vaccination bills will be legally challenged all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.
    Some vaccines shots contain toxic mercury and many vaccines contain toxic adjuvants such as aluminum to stimulate immune reaction. Vaccine supporters also fail to mention that because of better nutrition, sanitation, hygiene and hospital care that deaths from infectious diseases all but disappeared before the first measles vaccine was given in 1963. Supporters also do not mention that vaccines rates were well under 90%, the so called herd immunity minimum rate, in many parts of the country in the 1960s to 80s without any major outbreaks of diseases that the vaccines are claimed to protect against.
    Big pharma funded test trials and financing to politicians, the FDA and medical advisory committees have created just another marketing group. Vaccines are not guaranteed to be either safe or effective and vaccine companies are protected from law suits by the 1986 Vaccine Injury Act. They know their vaccines cause harm and even death but don’t know which children are at risk; see the HRSA vaccine injury table list.
    A well nourished child with a healthy immune system will fight off most infectious diseases and in the rare case of measles the child will have life-time immunity after recovery without taking the risk of toxic vaccines some of which require later booster shots. Vaccines are a decision that must remain with the parents.
    Corporate interests have also lead to other controversial deadly treatments drugs. The highly deadly mandatory clot-buster TPA drug given in the ER for a non-life threatening moderate ischemic stroke has a history of deadly failed test trials and controversial if any benefit modest benefit. This stealth euthanasia drug is now starting to be delievered to home’s after the 911 call. Search: AAEM TPA position, The NNT TPA stroke, or in ER emergency blogs or http://www.stroketreatmentrisktpa.co.nf for the stroke TPA drug controversy.

  • Capt Ron

    Here you go:

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/06/26/peds.2014-1079.full.pdf+html

    “Safety of Vaccines Used for Routine Immunization of
    US Children: A Systematic Review”

    But, of course, it’s a 2014 study and you wanted 2015! You crafty guy – Moving the goalposts!

  • You have an “incestuous” relationship with deception and denial, and as well in regard to your use of biased and proven false information and sources. And how about your level of endless hypocrisy that goes with that?

  • Certainly not, and I do not run this site. However you do have established reply posting rules to follow. Do you have an issue and problem with that, zero identity of your own, Capt Ron? You can see that I have a lot more courage in this vaccine truth effort, than you will ever have.

  • The first pediatrics reference obviously looked at only studies that support vaccines, and obviously looked at zero studies which are numerous in Pubmed and which outline the harm of vaccines, especially those that detail the harm of thimerosal and vaccine aluminum adjuvants.

    METHODS: Data sources included PubMed, Advisory Committee on Immunization

    Practices statements, package inserts, existing reviews, manufacturer information packets, and the 2011 Institute of Medicine consensus report on vaccine safety.

    Limitations of the study include that the majority of studies did not investigate or

    identify risk factors for AEs; and the severity of AEs was inconsistently

    reported.

    In regard to the IOM report, basically all they looked at was the VAERs reports and the VSD, which has that proces for the CDC and FDA as well has been notorious and fraut with error in intentionally finding nothing of significance. The VAERS system of reporting is also known to contain only a minimum of a 1 to 10% reporting factor, and mostly due to doctors being educated to never acknowledge an adverse reaction to vaccines, and nor any vaccine inujuries. This is not a study, and nor is it a published which directly lloked at the physiological effect of the current vaccine shcedule, and nor did it directly look at the safety profile of giving an infant or small child from 5 to up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit. You simply gave me what I already told you was unacceptable, and proved nothing. You simply threw a basic and irrelevant smoke screen at it, and called it good.

    As to the second reference. With the execption of the first study on that lst that shows page not found, most all of these studies involve the same epidemiological studies on the MMR vaccine, and as well Thimerosal that have already been shown to be nothing but junk science. That first study on the list titled, Increasing exposure to antibodystimulating

    proteins and polysaccharides in vaccines is not associated with risk of autism, to be valid, would have had to be an entirely vaccinated verses entirely unvaccinated study, and no such study has actually ever been done. This is obvious junk science, at its worst. It clearly does not in any way show the safety profile of the current CDC vaccine shcedule, and nor in any way.

    So lets look at a well done analysis of those said epidemiological studies. Found were, flawed study designs, the use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes to the study, unsupported by the data; and as well major conflicts of interest regarding the studies funding sources.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    As to your third reference. This paper addresses the 2011 Shoenfeld and Agmon-Levin study, which is actually one of the more weaker papers in the arsenal of existing studies regarding the harm of vaccine aluminum adjuvants. Quite obviously the papers findings did not make any real conclusions as to injected aluminums ability to create or not autoimmune disorders. This is again an example of very weak, junk science. Additionally the study never even considered the issue of vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism; and that is the major issue of contention and in whcih many studies have now shown that situation to exist not only in autism, but in vaccine injuries in general.

    As to your forth reference. Evaluation of Safety and Immunogenicity of Co-administering Human Papillomavirus Vaccine With Another Vaccine in Healthy Female Subjects. This is a Glaxo Smith Kline study, make of Cervarix. They start right off with this claim; quote, Infection with human papillomavirus (HPV) has been clearly established as the central cause of cervical cancer, unquote. Which is a lie and not true at all because several other co-factors need to be in place for HPV to not be eliminated naturally by the immune system, and thus ever become a latent and chronic problem resulting in potential harm done. One factor for that harm would be to give an HPV vaccine full of immune system dysregulating aluminum adjuvants, toxcity, and known vaccine contamination; and of course again is always written off no matter what as no proof ever existing of the harm done.

    Vertical Transmission of the Human Papillomavirus: A Systematic Quantitative Review

    It has as well been know repeatedly that when HPV vaccine such as Gardasil andor Cervarix were combined with such as the meningitis vaccine, the risk of vaccine reactivity and vaccine injuries, increased. This study did not even look at that issue, and only combining Hep A and Hep B vaccines. This AGAIN is cover-up junk science, at its finest.

    A myth reported consistently by the media is the HPV vaccine is a “cancer prevention vaccine.” There has never been any scientific data to qualify this statement as the vaccine was never studied long enough to show it indeed prevents cancer.

    Read more:
    http://www.ashotoftruth.org/vaccines/hpv-vaccine

    HPV Vaccine Maker’s Study Proves Natural HPV Infection Beneficial, Not Deadly
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/hpv-vaccine-maker-s-study-shows-natural-hpv-infection-beneficial-not-deadly
    http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/hpv-vaccine-makers-study-proves-natural-hpv-infection-beneficial-deadly/

    GARDASIL VACCINATION: EVALUATING THE RISKS VERSUS BENEFITS, January 2011
    Lucija Tomljenovic, PhD, Neural Dynamics Research Group, Dept. of Ophthalmology, University of
    British Columbia, 828 W. 10th Ave, Vancouver, BC
    http://sanevax.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Gardasil-vaccination-risks-vs-benefits-FINAL1221.pdf

    Death after Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Vaccination: Causal or Coincidental?

    Conclusions: Our study suggests that HPV vaccines containing HPV-16L1 antigens pose an inherent risk for
    triggering potentially fatal autoimmune vasculopathies.

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/ltshaw-death-after-quadrivalent-hpv-vaccination-pharma-reg-affairs-2012.pdf

    Gene Expression Patterns Induced by HPV-16 L1 Virus-Like Particles in Leukocytes from Vaccine Recipients1 (It surely LOOKS like Frankenstein style and based science, too!)

    http://www.jimmunol.org/content/182/3/1706.full

    Entropy 2012,
    Review
    The Initial Common Pathway of Inflammation, Disease, and Sudden Death,
    http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/8/1399

    SANE Vax to FDA: Recombinant HPV DNA found in multiple samples of Gardasil
    SEPTEMBER 2, 2011 (Referenced)
    http://sanevax.org/sane-vax-to-fda-recombinant-hpv-dna-found-in-multiple-samples-of-gardasil/

    Discovery of the Role of Non-B DNA Structures in Mutagenesis and Human Genomic Disorders
    http://www.jbc.org/content/284/14/8997

    Trends Biochem Sci. 2007 Jun;32(6):271-8. Epub 2007
    Non-B DNA conformations, mutagenesis and disease.
    Wells RD.

    Abstract

    Recent discoveries have revealed that simple repeating DNA sequences, which are known to adopt non-B DNA conformations (such as triplexes, cruciforms, slipped structures, left-handed Z-DNA and tetraplexes), are mutagenic. The mutagenesis is due to the non-B DNA conformation rather than to the DNA sequence per se in the orthodox right-handed Watson-Crick B-form. The human genetic consequences of these non-B structures are approximately 20 neurological diseases, approximately 50 genomic disorders (caused by gross deletions, inversions, duplications and translocations), and several psychiatric diseases involving polymorphisms in simple repeating sequences. Thus, the convergence of biochemical, genetic and genomic studies has demonstrated a new paradigm implicating the non-B DNA conformations as the mutagenesis specificity determinants, not the sequences as such.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17493823

    Gardasil: New Study Brings More Safety Questions to Light
    http://sanevax.org/gardasil-new-study-brings-more-safety-questions-to-light/

    Advances in Biological Chemistry, 2013, 3, 76-85 ABC
    doi:10.4236/abc.2013.31010 Published Online February 2013 (http://www.scirp.org/journal/abc/)

    Topological conformational changes of human papillomavirus (HPV) DNA bound to an insoluble aluminum salt—A study by low temperature PCR
    http://sanevax.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ABC-Conformational-Changes-HPV.pdf

    This means that the Gardasil vaccine is in itself, potentially carcinogenic (cancer causing)

    Does Gardasil Actually Increase Your Risk of Cervical Cancer
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/07/20/does-gardasil-actually-increase-your-risk-of-cervical-cancer.aspx

    GLOBAL CONCERNS ABOUT HPV VACCINES
    FACT SHEET
    http://focusautisminc.org//wp-content/uploads/2013/12/SaneVax-Global-Concerns-About-HPV-Vaccines.pdf

    The HPV Vaccine – The Breakdown
    http://focusautisminc.org/the-hpv-vaccine/​

    Gardasil: Are you paying for your own bullet?

    The temperature of the heated controversy concerning Gardasil was recently raised even more when Dr. Bernhard Dalbergue (France), former pharmaceutical industry physician with Merck, recently predicted that the vaccine will become the greatest medical scandal of all times.

    Dr. Dalbergue stated:

    I predict that Gardasil will become the greatest medical scandal of all times because at some point in time, the evidence will add up to prove that this vaccine has absolutely no effect on cervical cancer and that all the very many adverse effects which destroy lives and even kill, serve no other purpose than to generate profit for the manufacturers

    Read more:
    http://sanevax.org/gardasil-paying-for-your-own-bullet/

    Advances in Biological Chemistry, 2013, 3, 76-85 ABC
    doi:10.4236/abc.2013.31010 Published Online February 2013 (http://www.scirp.org/journal/abc/)

    Topological conformational changes of human papillomavirus (HPV) DNA bound to an insoluble aluminum salt—A study by low temperature PCR
    http://sanevax.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ABC-Conformational-Changes-HPV.pdf

    Detection of human papillomavirus (HPV) L1 gene DNA possibly bound to particulate aluminum adjuvant in the HPV vaccine Gardasil®
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016201341200267X

    Detection of human papillomavirus L1 gene DNA fragments in postmortem blood and spleen after Gardasil® vaccination—A case report
    http://file.scirp.org/Html/17-7300444_25840.htm

    Gene Ther. 2003 Oct;10(21):1791-9.
    Illegitimate DNA integration in mammalian cells.
    Würtele H1, Little KC, Chartrand P.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12960968

    Trends Biotechnol. 1997 Aug;15(8):297-301.
    Integration of foreign DNA and its consequences in mammalian systems.
    Doerfler W1, Schubbert R, Heller H, Kämmer C, Hilger-Eversheim K, Knoblauch M, Remus R.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9263477##

    EMBO J. 1992 Dec;11(13):5063-70.
    Chromosomal illegitimate recombination in mammalian cells is associated with intrinsically bent DNA elements.
    Milot E1, Belmaaza A, Wallenburg JC, Gusew N, Bradley WE, Chartrand P.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1464328

    Nat Med. 2011 Jul 17;17(8):996-1002. doi: 10.1038/nm.2403.
    DNA released from dying host cells mediates aluminum adjuvant activity.
    Marichal T1, Ohata K, Bedoret D, Mesnil C, Sabatel C, Kobiyama K, Lekeux P, Coban C, Akira S, Ishii KJ, Bureau F, Desmet CJ.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%20Marichal%2C%20Ohata%2C%20Bedoret

    Stronger More Toxic Gardasil Vaccine Approved by FDA: Will More Girls Suffer and Die?
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/stronger-more-toxic-gardasil-vaccine-approved-by-fda-will-more-girls-suffer-and-die/

    Not A Coincidence (Extended)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijwlo_NnPQc

    US court pays $6 million to Gardasil victims
    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/stress-and-health-dr-lind/2013/apr/10/us-court-pays-6-million-gardasil-victims/

    Dr. Andrew Moulden: Learning to Identify Vaccine Damage
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/dr-andrew-moulden-learning-to-identify-vaccine-damage/

    HPV Vaccines: Betrayal of the Public Trust?
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/hpv-vaccines-betrayal-of-the-public-trust/

  • Does this look like an allergic reaction? Vaccines CAUSE permanent, allergy and asthma.

    Vaccine. 2008 Mar 25;26(14):1725-30. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2008.01.041. Epub 2008 Feb 13.
    Kinetics of asthma- and allergy-associated immune response gene expression in peripheral blood mononuclear cells from vaccinated infants after in vitro re-stimulation with vaccine antigen.
    Lahdenperä AI1, Nilsson LJ, Regnström K.

    Abstract

    The global expression of immune response genes in infants after vaccination and their role in asthma and allergy is not clearly understood. Pharmacogenomics is ideally suited to study the involved cellular responses, since the expression of thousands of genes can be assessed simultaneously. Here, array technology was used to assess the expression kinetics of immune response genes with association to asthma and allergy in peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC) of five healthy infants after vaccination with Infanrix-Polio+Hib. At 12h after in vitro re-stimulation of the PBMC with pertussis toxin (PT) antigen, 14 immune response pathways, 33 allergy-related and 66 asthma-related genes were found activated.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18336961

    Is Infant Immunization a Risk Factor for Childhood Asthma or Allergy?

    Epidemiology. 1997 Nov;8(6):678-80.
    Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9345669

    http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3702662?uid=3739904&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21106258867851

  • eggman2

    A big part of the scientific method is sincerity. To say that you were wrong is to say that you were stupid. These people are my heroes. By saying that they will never vaccinate anymore their children, they are actually saying that they were stupid but now they are great scientists.

    John , in this site, once said to me that VACCINES are not good for anyone at any age. That is the way

    To say, ” My children reacted to the vaccine, but maybe other children will do good.”, is stupid.

    To say, ” Maybe this vaccine was no good, but others might be.” , is stupid.

    Nature never intended for the skin to be ruptured to allow poisons to be injected. When that happens in nature, it is only for one animal to kill another.

    In nature all the microbes that the animal needs to be in contact with are in the water and food. And the water and the food in real nature are free of chemicals, and it is the same food that the animal evolved with, and not some weird invention unrelated to the genetics of the animals.

    If people don’t recognize that they have been stupid, there can be no progress. If people don’t realize that they are part of a collective civilized stupidity system that rules their lives, there can be no progress.

    Scientific progress is ” been there, done that, it didn’t work, so let’s get the hell away from that, and start something else.”

  • eggman2

    How stupid those guys are–if not liars aiming their misinformation to the brainless sheep of the world–everyone is allergic to mercury.

  • Hannah Haha

    I read the latest IOM report on MMR and autism in it’s entirety. They looked at many studies to conclude that there is no correlation. Unfortunately, the only two studies linking the two that they included were from Grier and Grier and they were poorly done, according to the IOM panel. Almost every study proving no link only included people people who had been institutionalized. That doesn’t seem balanced nor fair. It only serves to make me question their reports and studies even more.

  • There is a major difference in the physiologically based understanding of an allergy, and that of a simply toxic substance, clearly doing more harm than good, to human health.

  • What?No reply? Imagine that.

  • bilingualmom

    I’m so sorry about the death of your beautiful little girl Ja’Liyah. I’m heartbroken that anyone has to live through what you did. And I want to thank you for sharing your story, painful as it is for you, to help another family from living through what you have. My child almost died after receiving the Dtap, Prevnar, and Hib vaccines. He started having seizures within 24 hours of the vaccines, only I did not know that his 5 second staring episodes, and his lips looking a little gray, meant that he was having a seizure (I thought maybe he was cold as it was winter and we were outside a lot). He collapsed 2.5 days later in my arms. If he had been napping at the time, they wouldn’t have been able to determine his cause of death either, as there is no evidence of his seizures after the fact. He now takes medication twice a day, and occasionally still has a seizure, but I know just how lucky we were. God bless you for being a part of the fight against mandatory vaccinations. We are in it with you!

  • dianam08

    Not having your child vaccinated is child neglect, pure and simple.
    The baby in the article above most likely died from being suffocated by
    the 5 year old she was sleeping with. Why wasn’t she sleeping safely in
    her own crib? You people are dangerous, fear-mongering morons, and have NO valid scientific evidence to back up your ridiculous claims.

  • dianam08

    Your entire comment makes absolutely no sense. You really should not be the one to call others stupid. ‘Stupid’ is saying, “Oh, there is a miniscule chance my child may have a mild reaction to this vaccine, but I’m not going to have him vaccinated even though the disease that it would have prevented would 100% cripple or kill him”. Why don’t you take your kid to a country where there is still smallpox and polio and see how well it works for you?

  • So what we have you reply posting here is the same old, same old thing; only a focus on the MMR, and when there are 14 existing vaccines, and multiple toxic vaccine ingredients, to include aluminum adjuvants. I asked for studies regarding the safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule, and when combined together, either short or long term; and you still have come up with nothing for such actual studies. You as well have still not produced any studies which have looked at the physiologically based safety of giving an infant or small child from 5 and to up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit. Its like you people live within a vacuum sealed bubble, where no reality and truth can get through and nor within that bubble. Stop evading the question/s, and simply admit to that actually those very necessary and needed studies, have never been done!

    How many times would I as well need to repost this bit of well done analysis information in regard to those epidemiological studies they did, This is effectively all the evidence that anyone should need to determine that all of those said epidemiological studies on the MMR vaccine, and as well on single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal; are all worthless, junk science.

    Found were, flawed study designs, the use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes to the study, unsupported by the data; and as well major conflicts of interest regarding the studies funding sources.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    Then lets look as well that the known vaccine contamination issue, in regard to the MMR vaccine.

    NEW STUDY IN JOURNAL OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND EPIDEMIOLOGY CORRELATES AUTISM DISORDER INCREASE AND HUMAN FETAL DNA, RETROVIRAL AGENTS IN VACCINES

    http://soundchoice.org/new-study-journal-public-health-epidemiology-correlates-autism-disorder-increase-human-fetal-dna-retroviral-agents-vaccines/

    http://s3.amazonaws.com/soundchoice/soundchoice/wp-content/uploads/Sound-Choice-Pharmaceutical-Institute-Website1.pdf

    NEW STUDY VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM, LEUKEMIA, LYMPHOMAS: Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology. Nevada Governor 2014 David Lory VanDerBeek

    http://nevadagovernor2014.com/new-study-vaccines-cause-autism-leukemia-lymphomas-journal-of-public-health-and-epidemiology-nevada-governor-2014-david-lory-vanderbeek/

    Here is the study:
    http://www.ms.academicjournals.org/article/article1409245960_Deisher%20et%20al.pdf

    Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute (SCPI)
    http://soundchoice.org/

    Listen at 5:15 into the video. These are the issues that you will never see nor hear the CDC becoming honest about; what is really in vaccines, and as for contamination. The CDC will never admit to the public that these comtaminants can never be screened from the final vaccine product; and not by any known puirification step process.

    Lost Arts Radio Show #9 (3/7/15) – Special Guests Clint Richardson & Rima E. Laibow, M.D.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS5emNtdY_Y

    MAY 8, 2015 by DAVE MIHALOVIC

    Vaccination Is The Driving Force Behind The Destructive Evolution of Viruses and Pharmaceutical Companies Know It

    http://preventdisease.com/news/15/050815_Vaccination-Behind-Destructive-Evolution-Viruses-Pharmaceutical-Companies-Know-It.shtml

    More risk, vaccine shedding.

    The Emerging Risks of Live Virus &
    Virus Vectored Vaccines:
    Vaccine Strain Virus Infection, Shedding & Transmission

    http://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/Live-Virus-Vaccines-and-Vaccine-Shedding.pdf

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    The benefits of natural immunity; based on already long existing evidence; and regardless of the false claims of the pro-vaccine side, claiming exactly the same benefits for vaccines, which is of literally, preposterous. .

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.

    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract

    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

  • You have NO evidence of that and nor suffocation whatsoever, but in your own for whatever reason and persistence in denial, and simply wanting to and insisting to claim and believe that it simply can not be vaccines. In my research on it, what SIDS is, amounts to actual suffocation and a shut down of blood flow and oxygen to the brain stem. So in telling difference it may look in some ways look quite similar, as to the physiological findings.

    I have already shot down your so called science on every level here on this article, and I have also shown you exactly the necessary studies, that you do not have, and that have never been done. These people live in a world full of nothing but mislead and fed to them informational delusions. The people who are actually dangerous are the people, like you, dianam8; who do nothing but re parrot the false propaganda and misinformation that in error, the general public is fed, and by the for profit and to much to lose false vaccine authorities, and the advertising money paid off, and controlled major media sources that exist. Wake up.

    Forget these foolish people just full of their own insistent denial, like dianam08, here; and who as well at the same time dare not to use any real identity.

    Here again is an example of parents who really and actually think for themselves, and do the needed independent research, which then provides for them an actually informed choice on vaccinating.

    Our Children Can Be Healthy and Protected Without Vaccination

    My name is Brittney Kara and my husband and I are parents who have chosen not to continue vaccinating our children. After thoroughly investigating and carefully weighing the risks and benefits of each vaccine, we have concluded that the current vaccines are not safe for our children and that they are not required for the optimum health of our children.

    We did not make this decision lightly. My husband and I are educated people as well as responsible parents and citizens. I hold a degree in Political Science from UCLA and I am a published author, professional speaker and wellness educator. My husband has a degree from Boston University and is a full time firefighter and paramedic. We are completely aware of the risks that disease can pose to a community or an individual, and specifically to our children. Yet we discovered that there are better and safer ways to deal with those risks than vaccination.

    My Vaccine Research

    I began researching vaccines in 2007 when I was pregnant with our first child. Dr. Jay Gordon was my pediatrician growing up and since I have always held him in a high regard he was the first person I turned to. He was very cautious about the current CDC schedule and his research inspired me to start my own. I began following the work of Dr. Russell Blaylock, Dr. Joseph Mercola, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, and Dr. Suzanne Humphries, among others.

    After our child was born, my husband and I decided that the only vaccine we were comfortable giving was the DTaP shot since my husband was a paramedic and could be exposed to whooping cough patients. Later I would regret this decision because both of my children experienced strong reactions to this vaccine. Following the DTaP vaccination, my oldest got her first and only ear infection and then a year of chronic colds, while my youngest daughter developed a sleep disorder. These reactions caused me to dig much deeper into the vaccine story. What I uncovered led me to the belief I have today: that my children are much safer not receiving vaccinations than receiving them.

    I have spent thousands of hours reading, watching, listening, and learning everything I could find regarding vaccination. After reading through dozens of peer reviewed medical journals, watching documentaries, and reading books such as Dissolving Illusions, Vaccine Epidemic, and Immunization: The Myth Behind the Reality, I knew that vaccines were not the right choice for my family.

    I uncovered three important facts through my research:

    Read more:
    http://www.stopmandatoryvaccination.com/personal-choice/

  • Your, entire comment makes no sense, because you have it all backwards, and the reason for that is that you simply believed the bull garbage they fed you in regard to actual vaccine injury risk.

    I have not been vaccinated in over four decades, and there are millions of adults who have never been re-vaccinated since childhood, or if so, very minimally. Where is your vaccine derived herd immunity preventing the return of small pox, polio, diphtheria, etc.Vaccine induced antibodies do not last for life, and for most that were vaccinated in that time, they wouldn’t have had any protection left to anything, after about 10 years; or in many cases likely far less time. Vaccines clearly did not eradicate either small pox, and nor polio; and they certainly and obviously will never eradicate pertussis and nor measles. You obviously do not believe that there is any valid counter arguments in this debate. You are obviously so hell bent on remaining a sheeple, that you don’t even think there is an actual and valid debate.

    For anyone interested in real vaccine truth, listen to this video information, and then determine for yourself if vaccines are actually as safe as they say they are.

    Listen at 5:15 into the video. These are the issues that you will never see nor hear the CDC becoming honest about; what is really in vaccines, and as for contamination. The CDC will never admit to the public that these contaminents can never be screened from the final vaccine product; and not by any known purification step process.

    Lost Arts Radio Show #9 (3/7/15) – Special Guests Clint Richardson & Rima E. Laibow, M.D.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS5emNtdY_Y

  • dimonm08

    Please re-read your first paragraph, and resubmit it when it makes some kind of sense. All you have is false experts, and social media science – neither of which is accurate or valid.

  • dimonm08

    So all you can say is to parrot my comment that you don’t make sense? Lol! All you have are false experts and social media science – neither of which is accurate or valid Put on your tin foil hat and sit in a corner.

  • I did not in any way, parrot your ridiculous head in the sand hole, reply comment. And I specifically stated why your reply is false information, and if you will-makes no sense.

    And why are you considering those people and sources as false experts? You state that not based on evidence, but because that was the false information you were told and fed; and as well that is what all good trolling shills are supposed to reply with. That in itself means nothing, when you have failed to even begin to address evidence for your said claim regarding those referenced to people. And do you know why you have not provided evidence for your said and falsely discrediting claim? Because you can’t; and other offering claims of false discreditation, you have nothing that you can directly point to and nor refute directly any information those people and sources have provided to the public. The whole situation with you people and in your denial of the evidence of the vaccine harm done, is literally sick.

  • And they are considered by you as false experts? And why is that? Simply because the pro-vaccine side and their commanding and insisting on complete denial of all vaccine truth minions, told you that they are? So any readers here are just to take your no identity reply posting word for it? Its all true, right? Present with your evidence that they are false experts?

    Here is just the opening screed of information regarding the existing evidence on your false so called expert; Paul Offit. I can show you the evidence of Paul Offit being a FALSE so called expert, nearly all day long, there is so much evidence of it.

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Part 1: Immune Activation and Autism
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    See all posts on Immune Activation
    Part 1: Immune Activation and Autism
    Part 2: Interleukin-6 and Autism
    Part 3: Monkey Experiments
    Part 4: (Coming Soon) Prenatal vs. Postnatal Immune Activation
    http://vaccinepapers.org/immune-activation/

    Scientific Papers Library
    Immune Activation
    http://vaccinepapers.org/scientific-papers-library/

    A More Rigorous Defense of Al Adjuvant, and Why it is Wrong
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    VRM: The Problem With Vaccines Part 2 – Synergistic Effect of Heavy Metal Toxicity On The Body
    http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=6097

    Paul Offit also stated that infants can safely get and tolerate 10,000 injected vaccines at once, and that based on only his false assumptions that such infants are exposed to that many antigens every day of life. Could you go and find his technical studies which show this to be true, and what the evidence is for that mindless claim? If any human being were to directly encounter even 10 viral antigens in a single day, the chances are high that the outcome could very well end up in a death by cytokine storm; and the immune system overwhelmed.

  • fodor

    “So then what you are saying is that the antigen thing Offit suggests is comparable to vaccines, and in regard to vaccine; it only amounts to a worthless comparison that has nothing to do with actual vaccine safety.”

    What kind of meaningless word salad is this? Do you seriously not understand what an antigen is? Or how antigens and vaccines are related?

    Then again, this is typical writing for you. A jumble of words that may sound ‘sciency’ but in fact make no sense at all.

  • dimonm08

    They’re considered by me to be false experts because they are not real experts. You don’t become an expert by discussing things on social media. Not vaccinating your children is child neglect, pure and simple, And If you don’t vaccinate your child and they get sick with a preventable disease, the parents should be prosecuted. Period. The End. It was PROVEN that your claims do not hold water, so stop wasting your time. The science is irrefutable.

  • Capt Ron

    Your “Gish Gallop” is astounding!

  • That did no answer my specific question, and you know it did not. Nothing was proven, ever; and you remain delusional. And you as well can not show that any un-vaccinated child in the US in the past 50 years or more has ever died or been harmed by any so called vaccine preventable illness. individuals that have been vaccinated with any live.attenuated vaccines can spread that pathogen and illness to the un-vaccinated. Vaccinating is causing more harm than good.

    The Emerging Risks of Live Virus &
    Virus Vectored Vaccines:
    Vaccine Strain Virus Infection, Shedding & Transmission
    http://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/Live-Virus-Vaccines-and-Vaccine-Shedding.pdf

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease

    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    The already long existing and the real study science has already long since, shown us what the REAL truth is.

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.
    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract
    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

  • Your persistent level ignorance and pushed as being facts, is literally astounding. And that was actually the best you could do? Wow. But then, I already knew that.

  • There will never be anything such as a safe vaccine ever, period. You are delusional. Do you as well even have any idea of the unresolved contamination issues regarding vaccines?

  • B.S. You are a pro-vaccine shill, period. Just a slightly new angle put to it

  • But I don’t run vactruth, and have no connections to it that anyone else doesn’t have..

  • dimonm08

    Oh. My. God. NONE of this is backed by actual science. It’s all propaganda. All you can do is spout the same false articles over and over again. I’m not going to refute them in detail – there’s no point. If you looked at ANY reputable, real scientific source you would find the truth. But you won’t because you enjoy spreading falsehoods, and fear that leads to destructive and dangerous choices. Actually, you belong in the middle ages- they loved that then. Hey! You could have helped spread the plague! What fun! Now please stop reposting the same sad, fake articles over and over again. I’m tired of this post.

  • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

    Odd, it did have your contact info on the site… Okay :)

  • Sue

    Who gets prosecuted fort vaccine damage of children.. Oh thats right you can not sue in the States for vaccine damage.. you incentive naive person…. and what sort of expert are you…. ????????

  • Sue

    Oh yes lets get the gutter science from scientist paid by Big Pharma.. yeh right…..You talk such bl..dy rubbish……

  • Sue

    Lowell Hubbs makes more sense than you could ever hope to……

  • Sue
  • dimonm08

    That’s a lie – you can sue in the United States (other countries, I don’t know). Again, more false ‘facts’. And, unlike you, I don’t claim to be an expert – but I do claim to be intelligent enough to listen to and accept the evidence that the real experts have provided. And for God’s sake, people! Proof read your posts! You only make yourselves look more and more unintelligent.

  • dimonm08

    Actually – NOT. If anyone (and that’s a big IF) can actually get through reading one of his posts, they’ll realize that they’re full of typos, errors, and sentences that don’t even make sense. Much less valid, science based fact. Lol, you’re funny.

  • Sue

    Oh dear oh dear oh dear dimonm08 .. you are so quick to find fault accuse people of being lairs and wow not proof reading post.. and was it insensitive you were chucking your insults about…. the shoe sure fits…

    Well sorry lets us say vaccine damage is ripe and no you can not sue BIG Pharma.. and yes you can sue the government (American Tax Payer).. so if your so called vaccines are so so safe.. why is this???? You intelligent beast you…..You talk such rubbish……..

  • Sue

    Oh here here dimonm08.. you feel it is more important to not have a typo than the vaccine damaged children… and you you want to be listened to… Oh really dimonm08.. I will say again …… Lowell Hubbs makes more sense than you could ever hope to……

  • Sue

    Wow dimonm08 …. lol considered by you.. and pray tell fellow posters who are you?? Why should we care what you consider…..The only time wasters on here are well you to be quite honest …… you talk such rubbish… and think a lot of yourself don’t you????

  • Sue

    Listening to you is neglect of my senses…..all I see you doing is chucking nasty comments at everyone who disagrees with you… that certainty does not show intelligence….

  • Sue

    dimonm08…..Oh dear another post you are suggesting does not make sense.. where re all your facts… I can not see where one of your posts make the slightest sense.. eggman2 would eat you up with knowledge…

  • You have a classic case of Cognitive Dissonance.

    Are you irate, irritable and irrational when presented with evidence that goes against your preconceived notions of how the world operates? Looking for a solution to your stress? Join us this week on The Eyeopener as we examine the theory of cognitive dissonance and how it
    stops people from confronting the uncomfortable truths about the way theworld really works.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do6o57N_SVA&feature=share

  • dimonm08

    IT’S NOT KNOWLEDGE! I’m not sure whether the fact that you think it is is scary or laughable. Hopefully you’re past the point of reproducing. It’s falsified evidence, manipulated results, and cherry picked statistics.

  • dimonm08

    Nope, sorry. ‘Dangerous, fear-mongering morons’ is completely accurate.

  • dimonm08

    Yup

  • dimonm08

    Here here you you. Not sure what you’re trying to say. I just think that if you want information to be taken seriously, you should at least be able to convey it correctly and intelligently. Which is obviously too much to ask here. Or here here, as you say.

  • dimonm08

    I’m offended – I have NOT accused anyone of being a ‘lair’. But thanks for proving my point. And isn’t it pretty much the pot calling the kettle black for you to say I’m insulting people. Look in the mirror. Vaccine ‘damage’, as you call it is not backed by science, only by imagination.

  • dimonm08

    I’m only irate and irritable (but still rational) when faced with people who make hysterical, unfounded claims, that put their children’s lives, and by extension other people’s lives in danger and are too stubborn to accept the proof of their ignorance when it’s placed in front of them. Social Media ‘experts’ say it – and you people just eat it up. Hopefully it’s only your own kids that will suffer from it.

  • Who is really doing the false and mindless, fear mongering? And who here really, and entirely REFUSES, to GET it? That would be you.

  • Bullshit. How many times would you need to review, Anyone can sue, but the prescedent has been set where clearly no one can win, and that would be after endless years already spent in the federal vaccine court.YOU are a shameless, LIAR! You are just purely and entirely beyond ignorant and flat out stupid.

    Bruesewitz v. Wyeth
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruesewitz_v._Wyeth

    Bruesewitz v. Wyeth: What the Supreme Court Decision Means for Vaccines
    http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/24/bruesewitz-v-wyeth-what-the-supreme-court-decision-means-for-vaccines/

  • Such a high level of sick and rampant hypocrisy.

  • All of those studies clearly come from considered reputable, health care journals.

    So then just get to refuting those studies, in detail; as you said you would. What are you waiting for? Are you waiting for Paul Offit to come up directly with a counter study? Good luck, with that.

  • I think we need to frame this reply comment and put it in the pro-vaccine most mindless claims ever made, hall of not so much fame.

  • Your reply amounts to just more of the classic, and now even more crazed and mindlessly twisted denial, than you had reply posted here before; but what else could we ever expect.

  • You are simply doing to your intended pro-vaccine agenda here, more harm than good on every level; and in each and every additional reply post that you make. Are you really that mindless?

  • Sue

    You do a lot of accusing posters of false information.. But sadly you talk utter RUBBISH..All of your post are out to degrade anyone who has an opinion.. or suggest parents should be prosecuted or … well just over whelming awful comments…. I have shared no evidence or no opinion with you as to the way you carry on with your posts and i will not…. Heaven help anyone who would take advise from you dimonm08 …. Yu are thge very type of person who I beleive cares for no one….

    Description of dimonm08

    Do you use multiple IDs’ and computers so can post under many different names?????

    Discourage new or old posters with your nasty comments

    Turn off posters with a hostile tone, vicious, or condescending attack

    Call your statistics arbitrary, ask posters to check their facts, doubt about facts,

    Tell posters their research is a lie information
    lacks facts, that links prove nothing, that their conclusions are wrong etc (of course a troll will never offer a shred of “evidence” to back up a single
    of their assertions that is found on honest evidence)….

    Write using a dismissive, surly tone

    No personal identities on your page

    Never offer any constructive ideas

    Complain constantly as you do that someone is not making sense grammar not correct etc…..

    Conclusion: sadly: paid trolls work this way..or very silly people…..

  • Really? Actually the specific points made in all of those replies, are seriously right on target. If you want a spelling and grammar contest, then go join in one. This website and its articles, deal in vaccine truth; and are not intended as some fifth grade English class. I suggest that you go back to your shilliversity and ask for some new pro-vax talking points and that are not as failed as those that we have seen again and again at least 800 times before.

  • Frame this reply too; and put it in the pro-vaccine hypocrisy ridden and filled hall of shame. “Ooffdahh”

  • Sue

    What planet re you on…dimonm08 ???? Who are you to suggest people make hysterical, unfounded claims, that put their children’s lives at risk,… what gives you the knowledge of every parent who makes a decision whether or not to put toxic chemicals into their children.. Do you have a crystal ball to say all vaccines are safe…. Your POSTS just get worse.. Oh who on earth would listen to you…….

  • Sue

    You offend every time you post… kettle black look in the mirror… right back at ya….And yes you have made accusation.. go back and read your posts.. and you are trying to suggest you are intelligent.. wow

  • dimonm08

    Ok, I’ll make sure to get right on that. Right after I go get my baby their vaccinations – to keep everyone safe.

  • dimonm08

    If you got your results from valid scientific research, it would help your imaginary platform alot.

  • Sue

    Oh yes.. and what info have I conveyed.. Lol.. I would not even try and have a intelligent conversation with someone that just chucks abuse at every post.. Honey get over yourself….

  • Sue

    Ha ha more un intelligent cr..pp wow

  • dimonm08

    Nope. Every one of your accusations is false. Seems to me you protest too much. Could it be that you don’t have the scientific proof to back up your claims, so you have to resort to childish insults? Me thinks so!

  • Sue

    ha ha so you are using more than one name.. you are a troll.. as how would you have any idea of my past posts…. Mmmm we all see through TROLLS Honey…

  • dimonm08

    Yup. As I mindlessly go get my child vaccinated to protect them and others. (Because it’s the right and smart thing to do).

  • dimonm08

    You can expect your kids to get sick unnecessarily. And probably infect others as well.

  • dimonm08

    Oooh, burn!!! How long did it take you to come up with that one? LOL!

  • dimonm08

    Maybe you should go look up the meaning of reputable.

  • dimonm08

    I know! I can’t believe you let yourself get that way. Shame on you!

  • dimonm08

    “Clearly no on can win” They don’t win because the lawsuits are invalid and worthless. It’s very simple. You can’t defend your position with valid, researched points, so you resort to childish and crude name calling and insults. Way to be an adult. Not one letter of anything I’ve said has been a lie. Unlike you.

  • dimonm08

    Nope. I’m right.

  • Sue

    Ha ha dimonm08 …. really honey give your best.. I would never offer you any scientific info. you do not have the intelligence to handle it.. you only offer offensive posts.. Bring it on… ..

  • dimonm08

    Ok, not sure what you’re talking about. I don’t know anything about your past posts. I’m only using one account. And trolls make up things to get a reaction- but I believe everything I’ve said – therefore, not a troll. I believe the voices in your head are leading you astray, sweetie.

  • dimonm08

    No, just the truth.

  • dimonm08

    OMG – I really have to explain this to you? You complained that I complained about the typos and grammar in Mr. Tinfoil Hat’s posts. So I responded that if you want evidence to be taken seriously (referring to him) he should compose intelligent responses. Believe me, I never accused you of providing any info whatsoever.

  • Sue

    Oh this is such fun….. Ha ha.. now you are an expert on my mental state… and you are suggesting that TROLLS will admit they are TROLLS… me think that you are protesting to much honey…..

  • Sue

    Yes TROLLS always suggest their cra..p is the truth… lol

  • dimonm08

    Oh my god, you just made me laugh out loud. thanks

  • dimonm08

    Because you can’t

  • Sue

    Mmm it is always a TROLLS way to discuss eg grammar.. or other bull …..never to discuss the facts.. go TROLL go..

  • Sue

    Oh TROLLY…. ha ha keep your rubbish a coming..

  • dimonm08

    And you have no way to refute what I’m saying because it’s the truth

  • Sue

    Oh TROLLY it is science like this.. believing you is just like believing BIG Pharma paid Scientists.. I rest my case.. TROLLY…..You are a joke honey….

  • dimonm08

    You haven’t mentioned a single fact. Wonder why? You might want to live by your own rules. Since this wasn’t your discussion, pretty sure you’re the troll. (By the way, you don’t have to capitalize it). Funny how you never respond with a direct reply to my comments, just name calling, since that’s all you have.

  • Sue

    Description of dimonm08…. Real name TROLLY

    Do you use multiple IDs’ and computers so can post under many different names?????

    Discourage new or old posters with your nasty comments

    Turn off posters with a hostile tone, vicious, or condescending attack

    Call your statistics arbitrary, ask posters to check their facts, doubt about facts,

    Tell posters their research is a lie information
    lacks facts, that links prove nothing, that their conclusions are wrong etc (of course a troll will never offer a shred of “evidence” to back up a single
    of their assertions that is found on honest evidence)….

    Write using a dismissive, surly tone

    No personal identities on your page

    Never offer any constructive ideas

    Complain constantly as you do that someone is not making sense grammar not correct etc…..

    Conclusion: sadly: paid trolls work this way..or very silly people…..

  • dimonm08

    You have no case to rest, and you have not made one single valid point.
    Oh, crap, I’m actually starting to feel sorry for you. Wait – nope, it’s your poor kids I’m feeling sorry for.

  • dimonm08

    Didn’t you already post this? Way to copy and paste! You go, girl!

  • eggman2

    Stupid is someone that thinks that injecting ” GMO-putrefactive-biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens, mutagens, and teratogens “(VACCINES) is good for your health. And I can see that you are one of those.

    To determine whether something is stupid one must look at:
    1)the logic — There is no logic in getting injected with anything, and much less the crap above.
    2) the evidence–Someone can only be really stupid if after witnessing people dying, and getting damaged from VACCINES ,claims that VACCINES are good.

  • Sue

    Oh Honey .. TROLLY… firstly where are your facts.. secondly TROLLY I said you were just to un educated to discuss facts with.. or do not comprehend the posts meaning poor little TROLLY…

  • Sue

    Well TROLLY WALLY….. once again.. valid points are no good for TROLLYS like you honey as you can not comprehend the posts you read.. Lol you are such a wally trolly….You would rather find fault and talk rubbish .. sadly you are just not worth a discussion…When you stop talking to people as you do maybe then ..Won’t hold my breath….

    Description of dimonm08…. Real name TROLLY

    Do you use multiple IDs’ and computers so can post under many different names?????

    Discourage new or old posters with your nasty comments

    Turn off posters with a hostile tone, vicious, or condescending attack

    Call your statistics arbitrary, ask posters to check their facts, doubt about facts,

    Write using a dismissive, surly tone

    No personal identities on your page

    Never offer any constructive ideas

    Complain constantly as you do that someone is not making sense grammar not correct etc…..

    Conclusion: sadly: paid trolls work this way..or very silly people…..

  • Sue

    Ha ha Triolly Wally.. and i will keep posting Trolly Wally…

  • Matthias

    By injecting intramuscular you avoid the undifferentiated T1 and T2-cell barrier, this creates antigens off course but does not ‘build’ immunity. It puts your whole immune system in overdrive. It all started with a subcutane scratch (respecting the undifferentiated barrier) by Edward Jenner. The key is the lymfatic system. Any vaccine given should respect these bounderies (ref.: Associated Lymfatic Tissue, Mucosa ALT, Bronchus ALT and Gut ALT).

    Please inform yourselves. Children are dying from these ‘medical’ proceedings…

  • dimonm08

    Wow – you must be using your great grandma’s pic – you must be in elementary school. You should really stop posting and go to bed. Don’t you have to get up for school? You’re mommy will be mad at you for calling people such stupid names.

  • dimonm08

    Dare you to actually provide a valid point.

  • Capt Ron

    Copy/Paste bots abound here!

  • Capt Ron

    Citing Tomljenovic & Shaw again? Their studies are the laughingstock of the scientific & medical research community. They do research WAY out of their professional specialty (Ophthalmology) and their research design and methodology is atrocious. Their work on GMO foods & Gylphosphate was such a hot mess that it’s been universally labelled as “If you torture the data enough, it will confess!” And… Everyone is awaiting replication of their work – Still waiting!

  • No your mindless ignorance and willfully refusing to get and/ or to be educated to any reality and truth; is what quite obviously and really abounds.

  • How entirely mindless do your falsely attacking replies, eventually get?

  • You have zero scientific studies published in any actual medical journal to show the safety of the entire current CDC vaccine schedule, as per only single vaccines given and nor when combined. Biased and non independent vaccine clinical trials are not real safety studies, and nor are they independent after market safety studies. Where are the studies written and accepted in any health care journal anywhere; much more peer reviewed; that show the physiologically based safety of giving from 5 to up to nine or more vaccines to an infant or small child in a single day and office visit? You are entirely brainwashed and delusional.

    They can falsely claim to that vaccine injuries are rare, ONLY because they fail repeatedly to acknowledge them. Doctors and Pediatricians through their big pharma directed and schooled training are not given information nor training that would provide for recognizing and treating vaccine injuries. Instead they are told that the incidence of vaccine injury is so rare, being one chance in a million doses; that they likely will never even see it a avccine injury, in their practice and their during their entire career. And they simply and in error, believe this.

    Thus each and every time it happens and right in front of them, they deny that the outcome has had anything to do with vaccines, and claim that all of it just has to be again a coincidence. It just has to be something else for causation, which again and of course they never get to the bottom and root cause of, as to the diagnosis.

    The we have the VAERS reports with a known only 1 to 10% reporting factor, as well that remains entirely ignored as again just another unproven coincidence, and the entire game. They each and every time of course claim they looked at VAERS, and find nothing for concerning and common and similar occurences. They are literally either blind, or lying.

    And how many vaccines have they actually looked at in those several larger epidemiological studies that they claim have exonerated vaccines in the causation of autism, and or any other adverse effect, health outcome, affliction? The answer, is one vaccine, the MMR. How many vaccine ingredients did they look at as well in those said epidemiological studies? The answer is one, Thimerosal.

    So lets look at a well done analysis of those said epidemiological studies. Found were, flawed study designs, the use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes to the study, unsupported by the data; and as well major conflicts of interest regarding the studies funding sources.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    Where are the vaccine profile studies regarding the physiologiclally based and looked at safety profile of the current 2015 CDC vaccine schedule? Where are the studies regarding the safety in injecting from 5 to up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit? Where are the vaccine aluminum adjuvant safety profile studies? Considering all the vile substances that vaccines are grown on, and produced from; Where are the studies regarding the safety profile of injecting vaccines with, shown, known and unknown vaccine contamination in them? This is a serious issue that no purification step process known to man, has been able to resolve.

    Oh, and again a recent and new study finds and shows that the MMR vaccine does not cause autism, and that vaccines cause nothing. The mislead sheeple, then flocking right in to claim to that it is, and again now proven, true.

    No MMR-Autism Link in Large Study of Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Kids

    Author Affiliations
    1The Lewin Group, Falls Church, Virginia
    2Optum, Eden Prairie, Minnesota
    3A. J. Drexel Autism Institute, Drexel University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

    This is the study they are referring to in the said articles. The Lewin study.

    What the News Isn’t Saying About Vaccine-Autism Studies
    http://sharylattkisson.com/what-the-news-isnt-saying-about-vaccine-autism-studies/

    Debunking “Autism Not Linked To Vaccines” Study (again)
    http://edgytruth.com/2015/04/28/debunking-autism-not-linked-to-vaccines-study-again/

    The Lewin Study: Another Backward Epidemiological Exercise That Proves Nothing, (published in The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)
    https://idsent.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/the-lewin-study-another-backward-epidemiological-exercise-that-proves-nothing/

    NEW STUDY VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM, LEUKEMIA, LYMPHOMAS: Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology. Nevada Governor 2014
    http://nevadagovernor2014.com/new-study-vaccines-cause-autism-leukemia-lymphomas-journal-of-public-health-and-epidemiology-nevada-governor-2014-david-lory-vanderbeek/

    Here is the said study; and regarding the use of vaccines that have been production made with the use of human diploid tissue, (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.ms.academicjournals.org/article/article1409245960_Deisher%20et%20al.pdf

    This is enough information and should be, to shut down the entire CDC directed infant vaccination schedule. But you know that again they will ignore it; because not to would finish them entirely.

    Suzanne Humphries, MD – Neonatal Immunity: The first 3 years of life:

    “Nothing should interfere with the immunologic programming, especially during the first three years.” Normal brain development depends on the baby maintaining a non-inflammatory state. Vaccines drive excessive inflammation and can derail normal brain development:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL8srdLw4c0

    Here is a bit more information.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    Dr. Suzanne Humphries Has A Lot To Say About Aluminum In Vaccines

    “By the age of 18 months, that infant has already received 4,925 micrograms (mcg) of aluminum, 100 percent of which is absorbed since it’s given intramuscularly. In the 1980s the amount of aluminum you got when following the childhood vaccination schedule amounted to 1,120 mcg, and importantly, it was given in more mature babies, not newborns. Today, American children end up getting a grand total of 6,150 mcg of aluminum if they get all of their recommended vaccines.”

    Read more:
    http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/04/20/dr-suzanne-humphries-has-a-lot-to-say-about-aluminum-in-vaccines/

    Dr Suzanne Humphries. Aluminum is toxic to all life forms: The case against aluminum in vaccines.
    https://youtu.be/LZe99K12740

    The Case Against Aluminum in Vaccines, (interview and video by Suzanne Humphries)
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/31/aluminum-vaccines.aspx

    How Vaccine Adjuvants Affect Your Brain, (interview with and video by, Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic)
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/29/vaccine-adjuvants-brain-effects.aspx

    Dr. Suzanne Humphries, M.D. – Vaccine Strain of Measles Virus Found in Measles Outbreaks
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/dr-suzanne-humphries-m-d-vaccine-strain-of-measles-virus-found-in-measles-outbreaks/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Systemic Toxicity of Aluminum Adjuvants
    http://vaccine-injury.info/aluminum.cfm

  • And why is that? Just because Paul Offit and the to much to lose CDC say so? And for thousands of existing parents with vaccine injured and with vaccine harm done to their health infants and children; you are nothing but false vaccine shilling slime, from the gutter.

  • Obviously you did not actually read the case. The Bruesewitz family was denied compensation not because they did not have a rightful case against Wyeth; but because the court ruled that the 1987 enacted federal vaccine court which removes all legal liability for vaccine makers, as well protects them against inferior product liability lawsuits. Go read the damned decision, you lying slug!

  • You reply post like bratty 4 year old.

  • Those studies are not a laughing stock anywhere; and nor in any so called and actual health professional community. Just because the twisted and attacking denialism blogging of Gorski, and any other vaccine harm denial blogging has claimed to what you simply keep reparrottiing, does not make it factual, and nor true. If there is any such thing here such as a laughing stock, that would be you and as to your twisted and lying misinformation filled plots to invoke your continued denial of all.

  • Actually some of those sources are the same ones that the provaccine side uses, and to include the BMJ.

  • About 30 seconds.

  • dimonm08

    Just read the perfect quote: “Science doesn’t know everything. That is true, and science freely admits that. But pseudoscience knows even less and PRETENDS to have the answers to everything.” Says it all, doesn’t it? And don’t you think you’re just a wee bit too old to be using school yard insults?

  • dimonm08

    See?? Vaccinate your kids and turn them into geniuses! That’s the same logic you anti-vaxxers use, right? >>> A boy labelled as severely autistic,
    and never to learn how to tie his own shoe laces, was placed into a
    special needs school after his diagnoses aged two. His mother, following
    her instinct, pulled her son out of the state-run special education
    facility to homeschool him, and by the age of 11, he entered college to
    study for his degree: condensed matter physics at Indiana
    University-Purdue University in Indianapolis.
    Said to have a higher IQ than Einstein, Jacob Barnett is working on a theory
    that would see him in line for a Nobel Prize. According to an email
    sent by Professor Scott Tremaine, “The theory that he’s working on
    involves several of the toughest problems in astrophysics and
    theoretical physics…Anyone who solves these will be in line for a Nobel
    Prize.” [1]

  • Sue

    Dare you to do the same…. arrrrre but we know you are well….. just here to cause havoc….

    Description of dimonm08…. Real name TROLLY

    Do you use multiple IDs’ and computers so can post under many different names?????

    Discourage new or old posters with your nasty comments

    Turn off posters with a hostile tone, vicious, or condescending attack

    Call your statistics arbitrary, ask posters to check their facts, doubt about facts,

    Write using a dismissive, surly tone

    No personal identities on your page

    Never offer any constructive ideas

    Complain constantly as you do that someone is not making sense grammar not correct etc…..

    Conclusion: sadly: paid trolls work this way..or very silly people…..

    EditView in discussion

    Sue dimonm08 a day ago

    Oh Honey .. TROLLY… firstly where are your facts.. secondly TROLLY I said you were just to un educated to discuss facts with.. or do not comprehend the posts meaning poor little TROLLY…

    EditView in discussion

    Sue dimonm08 a day ago

    Description of dimonm08…. Real name TROLLY

    Do you use multiple IDs’ and computers so can post under many different names?????

    Discourage new or old posters with your nasty comments

    Turn off posters with a hostile tone, vicious, or condescending attack

    Call your statistics arbitrary, ask posters to check their facts, doubt about facts,

    Tell posters their research is a lie information
    lacks facts, that links prove nothing, that their conclusions are wrong etc (of course a troll will never offer a shred of “evidence” to back up a single
    of their assertions that is found on honest evidence)….

    Write using a dismissive, surly tone

    No personal identities on your page

    Never offer any constructive ideas

    Complain constantly as you do that someone is not making sense grammar not correct etc…..

    Conclusion: sadly: paid trolls work this way..or very silly people…..

  • Sue

    Right on target TROLLY back to try and demean all who you just do not have the ability to wear down….it is not working we all kn ow yu are a TROLL… Lol…

    Description of dimonm08…. Real name TROLLY

    Do you use multiple IDs’ and computers so can post under many different names?????

    Discourage new or old posters with your nasty comments

    Turn off posters with a hostile tone, vicious, or condescending attack

    Call your statistics arbitrary, ask posters to check their facts, doubt about facts,

    Write using a dismissive, surly tone

    No personal identities on your page

    Never offer any constructive ideas

    Complain constantly as you do that someone is not making sense grammar not correct etc…..

    Conclusion: sadly: paid trolls work this way..or very silly people…..

    EditView in discussion

    Sue dimonm08 a day ago

    Oh Honey .. TROLLY… firstly where are your facts.. secondly TROLLY I said you were just to un educated to discuss facts with.. or do not comprehend the posts meaning poor little TROLLY…

    EditView in discussion

    Sue dimonm08 a day ago

    Description of dimonm08…. Real name TROLLY

    Do you use multiple IDs’ and computers so can post under many different names?????

    Discourage new or old posters with your nasty comments

    Turn off posters with a hostile tone, vicious, or condescending attack

    Call your statistics arbitrary, ask posters to check their facts, doubt about facts,

    Tell posters their research is a lie information
    lacks facts, that links prove nothing, that their conclusions are wrong etc (of course a troll will never offer a shred of “evidence” to back up a single
    of their assertions that is found on honest evidence)….

    Write using a dismissive, surly tone

    No personal identities on your page

    Never offer any constructive ideas

    Complain constantly as you do that someone is not making sense grammar not correct etc…..

    Conclusion: sadly: paid trolls work this way..or very silly people…..

  • Sue

    I think dimonm08 has no clue whats so ever.. just here to cause havoc..

  • Sue

    Nope I am right.. and that says it all… BIG Pharma.. yes they are the same.. no truth just I am right.. while our babies are getting sicker and autism is at epidemic rates….1 case of measles diagnosed to 7000 cases of autism.. And all you can say … Nope I am right…and you are playing with out babies health and futures.. what sort of person are you TROLLY……

    “The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.”
    ― Confucius

    “More evil gets done in the name of righteousness than any other way.”

    “Perhaps it is better to be irresponsible and right, than to be responsible and wrong.”
    ― Winston S. Churchill

    “Get to know the right, then you would know the people of right. Right Is not measured by its men, but men are measured by their right.” .. TROLLY you have NO measurement sadly….

    Description of dimonm08…. Real name TROLLY

    Do you use multiple IDs’ and computers so can post under many different names?????

    Discourage new or old posters with your nasty comments

    Turn off posters with a hostile tone, vicious, or condescending attack

    Call your statistics arbitrary, ask posters to check their facts, doubt about facts,

    Write using a dismissive, surly tone

    No personal identities on your page

    Never offer any constructive ideas

    Complain constantly as you do that someone is not making sense grammar not correct etc…..

    Conclusion: sadly: paid trolls work this way..or very silly people…..

    EditView in discussion

    Sue dimonm08 a day ago

    Oh Honey .. TROLLY… firstly where are your facts.. secondly TROLLY I said you were just to un educated to discuss facts with.. or do not comprehend the posts meaning poor little TROLLY…

    EditView in discussion

    Sue dimonm08 a day ago

    Description of dimonm08…. Real name TROLLY

    Do you use multiple IDs’ and computers so can post under many different names?????

    Discourage new or old posters with your nasty comments

    Turn off posters with a hostile tone, vicious, or condescending attack

    Call your statistics arbitrary, ask posters to check their facts, doubt about facts,

    Tell posters their research is a lie information
    lacks facts, that links prove nothing, that their conclusions are wrong etc (of course a troll will never offer a shred of “evidence” to back up a single
    of their assertions that is found on honest evidence)….

    Write using a dismissive, surly tone

    No personal identities on your page

    Never offer any constructive ideas

    Complain constantly as you do that someone is not making sense grammar not correct etc…..

    Conclusion: sadly: paid trolls work this way..or very silly people…..

    1. Dr. Nancy Banks – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F_yj1T8Qu8

    2. Dr. Russell Blaylock – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QBcMYqlaDs

    3. Dr. Shiv Chopra – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz8l2JkUf5g

    4. Dr. Sherri Tenpenny – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO2xn9Svp6g

    5. Dr. Suzanne Humphries – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUORtLSg19E

    6. Dr. Larry Palevsky – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2IgLj2If44

    7. Dr. Toni Bark – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQJ1XdA60dQ

    8. Dr. Andrew Wakefield – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Xpl4uYRBc

    9. Dr. Meryl Nass – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oimq1YrDi3w

    10. Dr. Ghislaine Lanctot –https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8o_AWOx3QU

    11. Dr. Robert Rowen – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtJwNKvHh2Y

    12. Dr. David Ayoub – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQnTVD4CR8c&feature=youtu.be

    13. Dr. Boyd Haley PhD – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQYISvsgq6s

    14. Dr. Rashid Buttar – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQYISvsgq6s

    15. Dr. Roby Mitchell – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r051fXtfng8

    16. Dr. Ken Stoller – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnD8Il2PS9E

    17. Dr. Mayer Eisenstein – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w42NvOJZvXg

    18. Dr. Frank Engley, PhD – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T0Qcbx48YM

    19. Dr. David Davis – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LfipChRciY

    20. Dr Tetyana Obukhanych – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h66beBrEpk

    21. Dr. Harold E Buttram – http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/…/vaccines-and-brain-inf…/

    22. Dr. Kelly Brogan – http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/…/a-shot-never-worth-tak…/

    23. Dr. RC Tent – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuDvRSvyz5Y

    24. Dr. Rebecca Carley – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WoMps4Pmpo

    25.. Dr. Andrew Moulden – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9bKYm1uCWE

    26 . Dr. Jack Wolfson – http://www.azcentral.com/…/12news-doctor-dont-vac…/22200535/

    27. Dr. Michael Elice – http://vaccineimpact.com/…/dr-michael-elice-m-d-media-prom…/

    28. Dr. Terry Wahls – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kwgkI1RkF0&feature=youtu.be

    29. Dr. Stephanie Seneff – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5BF0x354BI

    30. Dr. Paul Thomas – http://vaccineimpact.com/…/dr-paul-thomas-m-d-preserve-med…/

    31. Many doctors talking at once – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhweeOmOn6s

  • Sue

    “The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”
    ―Josef Mengele
    BIG Pharma has a lot in common with horrific people in history like Josef Mengele

  • Sue

    Oh more rubbish comments by none other than dimonm08 …. TROLLY……

  • Sue

    Reading this dribble again.. I thought here you go again.. the only thing you seem to do on your posts is attack personally.. do you really think someone who cares greatly for babies and children would really be offended by what…… the grandma bull.. really.. is this what your posts consist of.. is this what your sad argument is about.. and you want to b believed TROLLY….

    “My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others.” –Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D.

    “Every day new parents are ringing us. They all have the same tragic story. Healthy baby, child, teenager, usually a boy, given the DPT (diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus) or DT (diphtheria and tetanus), MMR or MMR booster followed by a sudden fall or slow, but steady decline into autism or other spectrums disorder.”–The Hope Project (Ireland)

    “My data proves that the studies used to support immunisation are so flawed that it is impossible to say if immunisation provides a net benefit to anyone or to society in general. This question can only be determined by proper studies which have never been performed. The flaw of previous studies is that there was no long term follow up and chronic toxicity was not looked at. The American Society of Microbiology has promoted my research…and thus acknowledges the need for proper studies.” –John B.Classen, M.D., M.B.A.

    “Crib death” was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the 1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of childhood. –Harris L.Coulter, PhD.

    “These data show that DPT vaccination may be a generally unrecognised major cause of sudden infant and early childhood death, and that the risks of immunisation may outweigh its potential benefits. A need for re-evaluation and possible modification of current vaccination procedures is indicated by this study.” –William C. Torch, M.D., Director of Child Neurology, Department of Paediatrics, University of Nevada School of Medicine

    “You cannot be in the presence of a profoundly vaccine damaged child and not know that child could be your own. And you cannot try to comfort a mother who has just buried a baby who has died from a vaccine or a disease and not know that you could be the one standing over the grave. When it happens to your child, the risks are 100 percent.” -Anonymous

    “Vaccination is not necessary, not useful, does not protect. There are twice as many casualties from vaccination as from AIDS.” –Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, West Germany, specialist of internal diseases and participant in about 150 trials of vaccination victims.

    Dr. Michael Odent has written a letter in the JAMA (1994) where his figures show a five times higher rate of asthma in pertussis immunised children compared to non-immunised children. He is also quoted in the International Vaccination Newsletter (Sept. 1994): “Immunised children have more ear infections and spend more days in hospital.”

    “The public is surely entitled to convincing proof, beyond all reasonable doubt, that artificial immunisation is in fact a safe and effective procedure, in no way injurious to health, and that the threat of the corresponding natural diseases remain sufficiently clear and urgent to warrant mass inoculation of everyone, even against their will if necessary. Unfortunately, such proof has never been given.” –Richard Moskowitz, M.D., Journal of the American Institute of Homeopathy, March 1983 (76:7)

    “Vaccination is expensive and represents a cost of one billion dollars annually. It therefore benefits the industry; most notably, the multinational manufacturers. One sells the vaccines. The other then provides the arsenal of medications to respond to the numerous complications that follow. Their profits increase while our expenses go through the roof. To the point where we have simply had it up to here and are ready to accept the unacceptable, such as socialised medicine in the United States, for example.” –Dr Lanctot MD

    In the May 24, 1996, New Zealand Medical Journal, J. Barthelow Classen, MD, a former researcher at the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the founder and CEO of Classen Immunotherapies in Baltimore, reported that juvenile diabetes increased 60 per cent following a massive hepatitis B vaccination campaign for babies six weeks or older in New Zealand from 1988 to 1991. In the October 22, 1997, Infectious Diseases in Clinical Practice, Classen showed that Finland’s incidence of diabetes increased 147 per cent in children under five after three new vaccines were introduced in the 1970s, and that diabetes increased 40 per cent in children aged 5 to 9 after the addition of the MMR and Hib vaccines in the 1980s. He concluded that “the rise in IDDM [juvenile onset diabetes] in the different age groups correlated with the number of vaccines given.”

    Yet some parents and doctors, concerned about the future, are looking beyond the present. “What we forget is that millions of years of evolution have taken place on this planet, and up until the last 100 years, humans have lived in relative harmony with microbes. Yes, there have been epidemic infectious diseases in history, but they have always resolved themselves. I don’t think there is any real appreciation for what we may be doing by using so many vaccines to try to eradicate so many organisms. If we stay the present course, will mankind be free from infectious disease but crippled by chronic disease? Will eradication of feared diseases, such as AIDS, through mass vaccination be one of man’s greatest triumphs or will we live in fear of deadly mutations of microbes that have outsmarted man’s attempt to eradicate them? We may look back at the crossroads we are at today and wish we had decided to make peace with nature instead of trying to dominate it.” –Richard Moscowitz, MD

    “This..forced me to look into the question of vaccination further, and the further I looked the more shocked I became. I found that the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these diseases you will realise that this is not so . . . My final conclusion after forty years or more in this business [medicine] is that the unofficial policy of the World Health Organisation and the unofficial policy of the ‘Save the Children’s Fund’ and … [other vaccine promoting] organisations is one of murder and genocide. . . . I cannot see any other possible explanation. . . . You cannot immunise sick children, malnourished children, and expect to get away with it. You’ll kill far more children than would have died from natural infection.” –Dr Kalokerinos MD

  • Alycia M. Ward

    Ok so if she was suffocated what was the fluid coming from her nose, ears, and mouth?

  • dimonm08

    See? Not one valid point. Pure fiction, meant to scare people into putting their children and others at risk, and risking to bring potentially deadly diseases that were all but eradicated back at full strength. Every ‘doctor’ who is anti vaccine, very soon comes out with a book or supplements to take the place of the terrible, dangerous vaccine. At a high price, of course. What you published above is nothing but lies. You’re the monster – you and your kind. The ‘doctors’ you quote above should be stripped of all medical credentials – their claims are laughable. And should be criminal. The fact that there are people like you dumb enough to blindly believe it is frightening – and it fills me with pity for you. And as for ‘Big Pharma’ as you call it (stupid name), they don’t make money on vaccines, when you count the vaccines given to uninsured and indigent patients, a lot of times it goes the other way. Pharmaceutical companies are, all the time, making vaccines and drugs available for free. It’s your crackpot ‘experts’ that are in it for the money. And you’re happy to give it to them.

  • Sue

    As Vaccine Prices Soar, Big Pharma Profits
    The price to vaccinate a child is now a colossal 68 times more expensive than it was in 2001. There is so much info about the BILLIONS of Dollars BIG Pharma makes….especially when their is no consequences for all that vaccine damage causes… 1 child diagnosed with measles that is not life threatening to 7000 cases of autism that is sadly life long…

    Oh My Goodness me… dimonm08 TROLLY.. really.. and you can only say not true..

    You really are very un intelligent .. at least the other pro vaccine posters will give their beliefs on what is said.. you just talk utter rubbish….well to be more precise…..DUMB…you just try to say Oh everything is not true.. give no reasons that make sense why…. are you sure you should really be fighting for pro vaccine…. as you are just making it easy for those who disagree with you to say….MMM would you really listen to this person….

    What yu discuss name used.. BIG Pharma.. suggest they make no money.. really… all doctors are crackpots for disagreeing.. and yet nothing to back it up.. go away and well just go away TROLLY.. YOu are ridiculous

    Oh by the way I still have not given you my opinion… just shared info to see if anything intelligent would come out of your posts.. and guess what they have not…..

    I will keep sharing and keep being amazed at un intelligent people such as yourself… SAD .. but it is posts like yours that helps spread the word.. so thank you…LOL and I really mean Laugh Out Loud…

    In the May 24, 1996, New Zealand Medical Journal, J. Barthelow Classen, MD, a former researcher at the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the founder and CEO of Classen Immunotherapies in Baltimore, reported that juvenile diabetes increased 60 per cent following a massive hepatitis B vaccination campaign for babies six weeks or older in New Zealand from 1988 to 1991. In the October 22, 1997, Infectious Diseases in Clinical Practice, Classen showed that Finland’s incidence of diabetes increased 147 per cent in children under five after three new vaccines were introduced in the 1970s, and that diabetes increased 40 per cent in children aged 5 to 9 after the addition of the MMR and Hib vaccines in the 1980s. He concluded that “the rise in IDDM [juvenile onset diabetes] in the different age groups correlated with the number of vaccines given.”

    Yet some parents and doctors, concerned about the future, are looking beyond the present. “What we forget is that millions of years of evolution have taken place on this planet, and up until the last 100 years, humans have lived in relative harmony with microbes. Yes, there have been epidemic infectious diseases in history, but they have always resolved themselves. I don’t think there is any real appreciation for what we may be doing by using so many vaccines to try to eradicate so many organisms. If we stay the present course, will mankind be free from infectious disease but crippled by chronic disease? Will eradication of feared diseases, such as AIDS, through mass vaccination be one of man’s greatest triumphs or will we live in fear of deadly mutations of microbes that have outsmarted man’s attempt to eradicate them? We may look back at the crossroads we are at today and wish we had decided to make peace with nature instead of trying to dominate it.” –Richard Moscowitz, MD

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  • Hannah Haha

    You are nuts. I have never defended a vaccine in any comments. In fact you have upvoted some of my comments. I give up. You people are ruining your own cause and the damn shame is that because of you crazy fools the pro vaccine group label us all as nutjobs. If I didn’t already have my opinion formed I would switch sides because your stupid comments. You are turning off anyone who is on the fence. Lord help those of us against vaccines who actually read comments..our whole cause is screwed with your representing us.

  • sabelmouse

    where do you get that idea from?

  • sabelmouse

    when you say you people who do you mean?

  • sabelmouse

    mostly chronic illness though. tremendous win for pharma.

  • Hannah Haha

    I mean people like Lowell and Sue who attack people who are on their side.

  • YOU WANT TO PRESENT WITH THE VACCINE TRUTH? REALLY? Refute the information in this video, directly? This should be a good one, as to your reply. Can’t do it? No? And why is that?

    Silent Epidemic:The Untold Story of Vaccines – Full Movie
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ_2BVsfdgI

  • The vaccine truth side has never needed, and will not ever need to use bots. Only the pro-vaccine in denial and to much to lose side, ever uses and has used reply posting, BOTS!

  • You are NOT right; instead you are entirely mindless, period.

  • You are hopelessly beyond delusional.

  • Thanks again for the bratty 6 year old mentality, reply.

  • Sounds to me like you need some of that so highly effective big pharma medication?

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

  • What an entirely mindless rant.

  • States someone with no courage to provide a picture at all.

  • The problem is that in SIDS, suffocation is what the vaccines actually cause, and by multiple vaccine induced cytokine activity resulting in an abnormal level of histamine production, and as well ischemia/hypoxia in the brain stem.

  • TrillProphecies93

    Hmm why do minority children always get the short end of the stick in “America”?

  • Alycia M. Ward

    I’m sorry Mr. Hubbs I should have made my reply more clear because it was in response to the idiot that said she was probably suffocated by the sibling. I have never heard of every orifice leaking in a “normal” suffocation incident.

  • As to these articles in general, the claim is always and without evidence being made that is was suffocation, and could not have been vaccine injury. Yes, and I agreed; and your point is well made.

  • eggman2

    Propaganda is the one you do for the junk medicine robber barons.

    You mean to say that with all the deaths, the maiming, the poisoning, the crippling, and on and on, your junk medicine sources are better than anything else ? Well you are either really crooked or one the most stupid people that I ever met.

    By the way, the last time that I checked, modern “junk” medicine is the second leading cause of death in America. It should be the first , but they always understate. Well some credit should be given to the other junk industries too: junk food, junk agriculture, junk immigration ( the new slavery ) , and on and on. That is the way it is until our leaders decide to do something good for a change.

  • eggman2

    Stupid is saying, ” What a beautiful day. It must be a good day to go vaccinate ( inject them with GMO-putrefactive-biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens,mutagens, and teratogens ) my kids.” That is really stupid, but some people like you, and the ones following your advice, go ahead and do it.

  • sabelmouse

    i didn’t realise that they did that. you’re comments seem pretty clear to me.

  • dimonm08

    They won’t go back to school, though. Their ‘Facebook experts’ know all, and they blindly follow them. These people don’t realize that not everything they read on social media is not true. They probably also believe the earth is only a few thousand years old and that there was once a big boat that every animal in the world rode around in. They can only mindlessly repeat the same unfounded theories, and copy and paste frantically in denial of actual, proven fact.

  • dimonm08

    Didn’t you say you were never supposed to speak of it again?

  • dimonm08

    I guess she doesn’t have anything more to say.

  • T1mB0

    Anti-vaxxers love anecdotes. They’re allergic to scientific data and paranoid of people who know more about it.

  • T1mB0

    None of what you just said is accurate. I’m going to take a wild guess and say you’ve never studied immunology…

  • dimonm08

    Awesome story about parents who were initially anti vaccine, and have learned the error of their ways. They now know how misinformed they were. Thank God their son didn’t die because of it.

    http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/spain-s-first-case-diphtheria-28-years-due-lack-vaccination

  • dimonm08
  • dimonm08

    Perfect example of what happens when parents don’t listen to science and logic. At least their son didn’t die because of their stupidity and they learned their lesson. http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/spain-s-first-case-diphtheria-28-years-due-lack-vaccination

  • dimonm08

    If I’m a shill, please tell me who to contact to get my payout. I would love to know, because obviously, my checks are being misplaced.

  • Breanna Eatherly

    She only technically got only 4 injections. Rototeq is an oral vaccine and dtap is made of 3 components.. So, yes, it was 7 vaccines, but only 4 pokes, all of which she already had in January. She probably would have had some type of reaction then too even if less severe. Its sad everyone always jumps to blaming vaccines for everything, without them child and adult death rates would be extremely high and we wouldn’t even have to talk about this because we’d be too busy going to funerals for people dying from pertussis and measles.

  • Ruth

    Yes, because it’s all about truth and scientific data. Don’t accuse others of that which you are ‘allergic’ to…. or maybe we should expect that?

  • Ruth

    Oh no, we would just like some scientific discussion – free from hysteria, propaganda and agenda. I know it’s probably too much to ask for, but ask yourself, what’s actually in those vaccines and what effect do they have on human beings, or don’t you care? (too attached to what you’d ‘like’ to believe?)
    Do you support GMOs with the same fanatical observance?

  • Ruth

    Because their parents aren’t aware?

  • Breanna Eatherly

    i work for a pediatricians office, in Tennessee, and at any given time any parent can call our office and get a full list of everything in any of the shots, also they are given info at every well visit regarding that shot and every reaction you could have from minor to severe. ive worked here for almost ten years and have yet to see anyone have that type of reaction.

    i dont support anything accept the right to choose whatever you want..if you dont want protection from preventable diseases it is your choice.. i didnt want a debate, i just dont like how they jump to blame vaccines when there isnt any proof that is without a doubt what killed her. Just like there is no definite proof that SIDS killed her. it is very unfortunate she lost her baby and doesnt have any answers so that is the only think she can think of to blame. thats okay. I dont care what other people do, eat GMOs, dont eat GMOs, get shots dont get shots. it is just more sad when a child has to suffer through the full force a disease like chicken pox, when a shot could have lessened if not protected against the disease. im not going to debate it we all choose what we think is best for our families. No amount of fighting or debate will change the way you feel, just like it isn’t going to change how i feel. The headline was unnecessary because there is no proof “seven shots” killed her, that’s your uneeded hysteria right there, not me. “Newborn died from unknown causes” is a more appropriate headline

  • Capt Ron

    “…scientific discussion – free from hysteria, propaganda and agenda.”

    You think that’s really possible here?

  • Capt Ron

    No… Because the access to high quality medical care is biased towards higher socio-economic groups. Not a problem in countries with universal access national healthcare systems.

  • Shannon Young

    No what’s sad is how out of this terrible story the only thing you could think to say is defending vaccines. Someone lost a baby. Were you there when the baby received those vaccines? Furthermore, it’s not about the amount of sticks she received, she was still given 7 vaccines. Who’s to say she didn’t have a mild reaction? And fyi human evolution builds natural defenses to diseases over time so no we would not be dying in record numbers without vaccines. Biology would develop natural immunity and even if it didn’t there’s still no need to vaccinate an infant under 1 for so many diseases.

  • Shannon Young

    Actually after rereading it does say she had a reaction in January! Then she received 8 more in April

  • Fang Reaper

    So tell me why it is you people question vaccines till you die but never think for a second what’s in your food?

  • Hannah Haha

    Thanks. I kind of think they don’t really read what I say, they just skim through. It really is a shame because I applaud the effort they put into this fight. I’m just going to keep on keeping on.

  • Ruth

    The fact that it’s happening anywhere, or at all is a positive step. Despite how some people may want to portray the websites where it is happening.

  • Ruth

    Who says we don’t? This website just happens to be all about vaccines, their safety and efficacy as well as people’s ability to make a personal choices. I would most definitely question GMOs as well, especially if some organization or government was deliberately taking choices away from people, or even deceiving them. But vaccines can be GMOs too, as they contain genetic material from other organisms. A most recent example is the HPV vaccine for cervical cancer. That contains caterpillar DNA.
    The difference is the ‘route’: eating versus injection.

  • sabelmouse

    very strange though.

  • Breanna Eatherly

    why there was a horrible measles outbreak in California then?

    I’m not here to debate vaccines! I was only trying to make the point the headline was unneeded and is causing all this drama. There isn’t any more proof she died from vaccines than there is that she died from SIDS or any other airway obstruction. Ive heard of babies that young dying from a plug of mucus blocking their airway. It could have been so many other things the headline is unneeded and adding to the problem. The problem where people want to debate something that can’t be changed. You don’t like vaccines, okay, that’s nice. Your decision. Your life. I’m done. I said what I needed to in my first post.

  • Fang Reaper

    Yeah and? The FDA has a regulation amount on how many insect bits are allowed in chocolate! Taurine in energy drinks is bull sperm for christ’s sake! And what’s so bad about caterpillar DNA? What if the caterpillar had life giving properties in its body? You would be eating them like popcorn.

  • Ruth

    I hope you realise that there is a difference between consuming something (via the gastrointestinal tract) and directly injecting it into the body? Something to reflect on, perhaps?
    And would we immediately change our habits if we knew something was either GOOD for us or BAD for us? Not necessarily. For Americans, it comes down to how much power industry has over the political and legal process as well as the media. This is quite substantial, and I include the FDA in that.

  • Ruth

    Perhaps the question should be: Why were so many of those measles cases in vaccinated individuals? Could this mean that people’s ‘slavish’ belief in vaccines is misguided, just like the older belief that antibiotics would ‘cure’ everything? Mother nature isn’t so simple or black and white, I’m sure.

    As far as infants and young children being more at risk from respiratory infections, that is true. All they have to do is pick up a respiratory tract infection from their siblings or parents.

  • TellItAsIs99

    Parents have the right to informed consent before any dangerous drug or vaccine is given to their child.
    Some vaccines shots contain toxic mercury and many vaccines contain toxic adjuvants such as aluminum to stimulate immune reaction. Vaccine supporters also fail to mention that because of better nutrition, sanitation, hygiene and hospital care that deaths from infectious diseases all but disappeared before the first measles vaccine was given in 1963. Supporters also do not mention that vaccines rates were well under 90%, the so called herd immunity minimum rate, in many parts of the country in the 1960s to 80s without any major outbreaks of diseases that the vaccines are claimed to protect against.
    Big pharma funded test trials and financing to politicians, the FDA and medical advisory committees have created just another marketing group. Vaccines are not guaranteed to be either safe or effective and vaccine companies are protected from law suits by the 1986 Vaccine Injury Act. They know their vaccines cause harm and even death but don’t know which children are at risk; see the HRSA vaccine injury table list.
    A well nourished child with a healthy immune system will fight off most infectious diseases and in the rare case of measles the child will have life-time immunity after recovery without taking the risk of toxic vaccines some of which require later booster shots. Vaccines are a decision that must remain with the parents.
    Corporate interests have also lead to other controversial deadly treatments drugs. The highly deadly mandatory clot-buster TPA drug given in the ER for a non-life threatening moderate ischemic stroke has a history of deadly failed test trials and controversial if any benefit modest benefit. This stealth euthanasia drug is now starting to be delievered to home’s after the 911 call. Search: AAEM TPA position, The NNT TPA stroke, or in ER emergency blogs or http://www.stroketreatmentrisktpa.co.nf for the stroke TPA drug controversy.

  • eggman2

    They are either stupid now or getting paid to lie.

  • Gary Nd Crystal Vest

    Science doesn’t rule God does, He knows, He doesn’t practice what goes on with our bodies and with the earth. So technically we shouldn’t call dr’s dr’s, or physicians we should call them what they truly are practicing physicians and instead of scientists we should call them practicing scientists. For your info not only now days are kids given 3 -7 vaccines at one appointment more than before, they have more chemicals in them then before, they are started at a younger age then before, and a bigger amount of dose in each one then before miss you think you know. As an infant they get the same dose of many of the vaccines as a 50 lb child gets in many offices, and cases. So your equations are wrong , since they are give as an infant 5 to 19 times more than their bodies weight than you should actually do10to 15 times more than what you said because your an adult and your body as been introduced and use to more and many of these things that thier body is new and not so that will make the equation more equal, there will you do that. (Crystal)

  • Gary Nd Crystal Vest

    It is stupid to combine shots in one, and smart ungreedy dr’s who aren’t ignorant or who is truly looking out for the best interest of the child will tell you that and that it is safer and easier to do them in single doses and further apart and start at later age so it better to tekk which one is truly causing reactions. Also I don’t know where you are getting fed lies from but there are way more chemicals in vaccines then what you mentioned about and way more dangerous than what you find in food even if there was that amount in food which I think is grossly exaggerated. The small pox vaccine which you talk about given as like a scrape on the skin, I really find that highly unlikely. So your saying my husband’s was done wrong then because the mark that the vaccine left on his arm from it certainly does not look like a it is done by a scrape to the skin, you obviously have not had one or yours was done wrong. Tell me people who has had one how was it done and what mark it left. (Crystal)

  • AutismDad

    How do you know others don’t think about that? Besides, the topic isn’t food its vaccines.

  • AutismDad

    What “horrible” outbreak? 100 people, no deaths. That should ring a bell fool.

  • AutismDad

    FULL FORCE of chicken pox??? My two children had them and didn’t even know it. Their days were completely normal as were they. You are simply parroting the fear mongering vaccine salesmen feed the media.

  • AutismDad

    Wrong BIMBO. Go test vaccines on your family.

  • AutismDad

    Set the record straight then BIMBO.

  • AutismDad

    Is that your evidence/ science “most likely” Or is the name calling evidence?

  • AutismDad

    You must be talking to yourself again.

  • AutismDad

    You every post is juvenile and a waste of space.

  • AutismDad

    You have zero credibility. You are half sheep and half parrot, but 100% clown.

  • AutismDad

    We want nothing from you except that you shut up.

  • sabelmouse

    you discredited yourself already.

  • sabelmouse

    ””Newborn died from unknown causes” is a more appropriate headline”
    you mean the usual denial?
    and the full force of chickenpox??? it itches, that’s the full force.

  • sabelmouse

    why would you think that? people critical of vaccines are usually also careful about what they eat, critical of gmo, fluoride, into healthy living ectr.

  • AutismDad

    What a stool sample. Each child has its outcome. This is one. Many are destroyed but according to sociopaths like you, this one example makes it all worthwhile.

  • AutismDad

    Whats irrefutable is your assinine logic.

  • AutismDad

    You can STOP claiming intelligence right friggin now.

  • AutismDad

    Science hardly knows anything. Talk about pretense. Science deals in hypotheticals and then trying to create the reality. It fails more than it succeeds. Vaccine injury is proof of that. But it won’t deter, because it just feeds their lust. Its an addiction.

  • AutismDad

    WOW…moron alert. VAERS, NVICP….nuff said.

  • AutismDad

    Sounds like science to me. Strange how the double standard is played by the pro-vacs as if they have solid evidence.

  • dimonm08

    Yup.

  • dimonm08

    Wow. You have some really intelligent, well thought out, thought provoking arguments. Not. Thanks for reinforcing the fact the you all have no valid scientific proof to substantiate your claims.

  • dimonm08

    Science deals in hypotheticals, then PROVES them with experiments, testing and research. All you have is fantasy and paranoid conspiracy theories.

  • dimonm08

    Thank you, it is irrefutable.

  • AutismDad

    assinine

  • AutismDad

    idiot. They prove almost nothing.

  • dimonm08

    Well, look who’s the pot calling the kettle black, lol.

  • AutismDad

    Hey I can’t and won’t stoop to your level. Maybe you need some mind drugs.

  • AutismDad

    You mean DUH

  • AutismDad

    lame. So ORIGINAL

  • dimonm08
  • AutismDad

    So clueless. Vaccine adverse event reporting agencies aren’t evidence? Aren’t based on science? Are the recognition of true adverse reactions? You must be one dumd sumbich.

  • Fang Reaper

    Because you people are fighting against vaccines but clearly are not saying anything about GMOS potentially causing birth defects or other health problems in people. If you’re so careful about what you eat why are you not standing at your local state house demanding roundup be made illegal?

  • dimonm08

    “At its heart, the anti-vaccination movement claims to be about freedom,
    safety, and health, especially the health of children. But in fight
    around SB 277, the reality has revealed itself to be much more about
    paranoia, aggression, and harassment. The cloud of terror that
    anti-vaccination activists live in is almost unimaginable, the suspicion
    they feel towards their neighbors, their towns, their government. But
    because that fear is self-created and self-sustaining, there’s simply no
    way to dispel it, and the endless echo chamber of the Internet to keep
    it fed and growing.” -RtAVM

  • AutismDad

    Says the STOOGE who has zero credibility.

  • AutismDad

    UP YOUR MEDS

  • dimonm08

    Says the person with absolutely zero cogent, informative, scientific or informative arguments, only fragmented, childish insults as his defense.

  • dimonm08

    Let me see if I can phrase this in a way you can understand. Oh, yes. I’m rubber, you’re glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. You might want to tune up your aluminum foil hat – I think it’s malfunctioning.

  • dimonm08

    No, pretty sure I meant Yup.

  • dimonm08

    Hers’ the result of your hysterical fear-mongering –

    http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/spanish-boy-diphtheria-dies

  • AutismDad

    Yup to duh.

  • AutismDad

    Immaturity reins supreme. And we are supposed to bow to your wisdom on Vaccination. Buh Wah Ha Ha

  • AutismDad

    Look at all the big words.

  • AutismDad

    1 child in Spain dies from an illness and its because of anti-vaxxers? You are a lunatic. How many children worldwide are killed by dogs? By bombs and missles, by dirty water and lack of food? By guns in the home? By falling off their bikes etc etc. It is in every case far more than 1 .

  • dimonm08

    Ok. And a miniscule percentage of kids suffer an allergic reaction to
    vaccines – far less than are hurt by dogs, bombs, guns, dirty water,
    lack of food, cars, etc. Everything you just said applies to yourself
    as well. You make no sense. You have zero logic. Mindless hysteria.
    You freely invent false facts, use pseudo science to foster a campaign
    that puts kids (and adults too) lives in danger. YOU are the lunatic.
    YOU are the monster. YOU are the stupid, mindless piece of waste that
    should be wiped off of the bottom of a shoe. And, yes, you idiot – That child specifically died because of anti-vaccine people like you. The parents said so. Can you not read!? And you expect to
    be taken seriously? Your responses are the ones I publish to show how
    stupid and uneducated you people really are.

  • AutismDad

    Wrong stupid. The percentage of children who are harmed in numerous ways is astronomical, but a dimwit like you is to clueless to understand.

  • eggman2

    They must have lost too many brain cells before changing. . Now they must be considered retarded.

  • dimonm08

    What’s look-aid?
    This is what you people have done:
    ww.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/spanish-boy-diphtheria-dies

  • AutismDad

    What some believe is that every visit sets up the later damage, especially in regards to the toxins remaining from the previous injections. So lets say the first vacs weren’t toxic enough, but the second series was added to the residual of the first and was then too much.

  • AutismDad

    I think when someone says 7 vaccines it sounds like 7 things. But each vaccine has numerous ingredients, so 7 vaccines may mean 27 ingredients or so.

  • AutismDad

    Because they are powerless. Now Vac makers have set up shop in third world countries where corrupt governments can be paid off. The population being even more powerless than mimority children in developed nations.

  • AutismDad

    Biased? You mean based on your ability to pay.

  • AutismDad

    Nice brainfart.

  • sabelmouse

    i’m in such a country. this particular one does not have great fee healthcare.

  • sabelmouse

    the actual pokes don’t matter. the mmr is one poke but 3 vaccines and so on.
    and no, without them death rates in situations with good nutrition , sanitation, clean water, good living conditions would not be high at all.
    they weren’t in the 60s pre measles vaccine for instance.

  • dimonm08
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