The Current Vaccine Reality: Disinformed Consent

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We are living in the age of disinformed consent. Parents assume their doctors and their public health authorities are providing them with all relevant vaccine information, and nothing could be further from the truth.

Obviously, if vaccines can kill and cause serious and debilitating lifelong damage – which they can, and do – the vaccine administrator must provide that information to the client, in unambiguous fashion, regardless of the estimated size of the risk. It’s an ethical mandate that must be fulfilled, but it never is. There is a fundamental reason: medical schools don’t teach the history and nature of vaccine damage and death; nor do nursing and pharmacy schools. Yet doctors, nurses, and, these days, pharmacists, are the very ones who administer vaccines, and upon whom we rely for full information. Somewhere there is made a conscious decision to exclude the reality of serious vaccine damage from the curricula.

Most of the many doctors who have witnessed vaccine damage – thankfully, not all – lack the professional integrity to follow up with curiosity, let alone research. This is the most troubling of the array of vaccine contradictions; trained to observe, they nevertheless appear blind to even the possibility of causal relation.

There is a reason the CDC didn’t announce to the American public in 1999 the direct correlation between the amount of mercury in vaccines and the incidence of speech and learning disorders and autism it found in its own in-house study: a conscious, intolerable decision. [1]

There’s a reason Dr. Viera Scheibner’s cotwatch studies, which decades ago found a compelling link between vaccinations given to infants and the incidence of cot death – SIDS – is never mentioned by public health officials: a conscious decision. [2]

There is a reason the CDC never mentions that it was the radical changes they made to the definition and diagnosis of polio, right after the vaccine was introduced, that eliminated most cases of the disease, not the vaccine: a conscious decision to manipulate the public in their vaccine decisions. Nor do they mention that once the vaccine was licensed, the CDC pulled all remaining diagnoses close to the vest, disallowing for automatic inclusion in annual polio statistics cases reported by private medical practices or local public health departments, and declaring that only they, the CDC, after ostensible thorough review and lab analysis, could officially validate a case. [3]

There is a reason that, concomitant with the diagnostic and labeling changes made, a radical change was made as well to the definition of a polio epidemic, from 20 cases in 100,000 to 35, potentially cutting almost in half the likelihood that any subsequent outbreaks would be so labeled – a change that seems totally haphazard, except for the effect of painting polio as somehow and suddenly less severe, or less contagious, or more contained: a conscious decision, to boost the illusion of vaccine effectiveness. [3]

There’s a reason the mainstream media in general will give no meaningful column space to truthful information about vaccine pitfalls and dangers: the conscious decision of the publishers.

There is a reason the vaccine industry does not discuss the fact that for years adjuvants like those used in most vaccines have been injected into lab animals to trigger rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune diseases: a conscious decision to keep the public ignorant of the ethical dilemma of then recommending their use for injection into newborns, infants, and toddlers, as a macabre tradeoff for acute, temporary diseases. This same adjuvantal effect in humans has been established by immunologists, as well. [4, 5]

There is a reason that every doctor or scientist who has ever spoken out publicly against vaccines has been branded a quack, regardless of their unblemished reputation up to that point: a conscious campaign to maintain the myth of vaccine safety, effectiveness and necessity.

There is a reason the AAP over the last three decades has been sliding down the hellhole of castigation of parents who refuse vaccines, initially espousing acceptance, to occasionally endorsing statements labeling such parents as irresponsible and a threat to the vaccinating masses; a reason they provide vaccine refusal documentation for parent’s signature that speaks not a whit to the potentially catastrophic consequences of vaccinating, despite, again, being well aware of the record: a conscious decision.

There’s a reason Dr. Paul Offit personally reviewed and approved for publication on the website of The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia an article on the value of the chicken pox vaccine that states the shot is perfectly safe, despite the post-marketing reports of catastrophic reactions on the vaccine insert, including anaphylactic shock, encephalitis and Guillain-Barre, and the availability of the VAERS record: a conscious decision. [6-8]

There is a reason that nowhere in the mainstream have we seen mentioned the fact that when the team of doctors at the Royal Free Hospital treated the twelve Lancet kids for their bowel inflammations, their symptoms of autism were greatly alleviated – a dynamic and heartening bit of information that should have been trumpeted in headlines globally: a conscious decision, to support the claim that there is no connection between the novel bowel syndrome described by the team – now corroborated by pediatric gastroenterologist Dr. Arthur Krigsman – and autism. [9, 10]

There is a reason the vaccine industry will not respond to the disclosure that among the 50,000 unvaccinated clients of Homefirst Health Clinic in Chicago, the staff is aware of only a few cases of autism, and virtually no asthma, allergies or diabetes – poignant statistics all, with obvious, staggering implications. In a general population of the same size we’d expect to see 250 or 300 cases of autism or more, and thousands of incidents of the other mentioned autoimmune disorders. [11]

Likewise, there is a reason CDC doctors appear before a Congressional committee on autism ostensibly so ill-prepared to answer direct questions as to be farcical, and in such repeated fashion over the years that, in days of aulde, they’d have been booted out for contempt and tarred and feathered by the thousands of parents who have watched helplessly as their kids took their obvious first steps down the road of developmental regression to ultimate diagnosis of autism, immediately following a round of vaccinations: an obvious, conscious directive to remain obtuse. [12]

And there’s a reason the CDC will never respond to pleas to compare the health of the fully vaccinated against the never vaccinated; that they will claim it unethical to conduct such a study as double-blind, because it will deny the protection of the vaccine to the control group, when the rationale is circular, since it’s the very safety and effectiveness of vaccines at question, and when all that is really necessary is to analyze the available data on the million or more Americans who are not vaccinated at all, out of personal choice: a conscious decision to avoid ferreting out and revealing the truth.

The behavior of the vaccine industry – government, manufacturers, much of the medical establishment, and the mainstream media, devoid of investigative journalism when it comes to vaccines – is reprehensible. Their calling cards are statistical manipulation, deception and fear. Well aware of the catastrophic damage done by vaccines, they steadfastly deny the reality and suppress the information, while knowing it is essential to every parent’s vaccine decisions.

Conscious denial of critical information is disinformation.

 

About the author: Shawn Siegel has enough common sense to recognize a con game when he sees one, thus was compelled to begin researching after discovering that immediately following the release of the polio vaccine the CDC radically changed the definition of the disease. He now hosts a weekly radio/internet show, The Vaccine Myth: An Issue of Trust, on the Logos Radio Network.

 

References

  1. David Kirby, Evidence of Harm, 2005, pp 127 – 131.
  2. http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990705002005
  3. https://www.facebook.com/notes/great-mothers-and-others-questioning-vaccines/now-ya-see-it-the-polio-caper/522168097823233
  4. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12086312?dopt=Abstract
  5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19880572
  6. http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/a-look-at-each-vaccine/varicella-chickenpox-vaccine.html
  7. http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf
  8. http://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html , do the following: Click on Request Form; group results by Event Category; under vaccine products, select Varcel; at number 5, select All Locations; and click Send.
  9. The first ten minutes of the following interview with Dr. Andrew Wakefield: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdwk6AdaD4w
  10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U83U0AWTnmg
  11. Start at 14:00 into the interview with Dr. Mayer Eisenstein: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfaISU0AmZ8
  12. Video of the first segment of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing on autism, November 29,2012: http://thestir.cafemom.com/toddler/147700

 

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  • Paul Fassa

    Great article – nothing to add.

  • Alex Jones

    Very clearly written. I look forward to seeing more of your work, Shawn Siegel.

  • Jim Bob

    Seriously?
    This article is one giant conspiracy theory with no actual information other than “C’mon everyone, just connect the dots”.
    This “article” is exceptionally weak and useless.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    I suppose you will have us believe Willowbrook or Tuskegee was some sort of “conspiracy?” Seriously, how far removed from reality are you?

  • tommo

    The beauty of this article is there are no dots to connect. Each revelation on it’s own demolishes the chicanery of the vaccine industry.

    For just one example: ” …immediately following the release of the polio vaccine the CDC radically changed the definition of the disease. An “epidemic” which was previously categorized as “20 cases in 100,000″ became, with the wave of a magic wand, 35 cases in 100,000.”

    Viola!

    Polio solved!

  • elnura

    You’re absolutely correct-it is a conspiracy theory. The perpetrators are the CDC, Vaccine Industry, IOM, FDA, WHO and those other organizations who push these poisons on people. Do you even know who coined the phrase “conspiracy theory” and why?

  • elnura

    Jeffery, you should take a look at:

    Secret US Human Biological Experimentation: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/experiment.htm. Here you will find:

    -1935 The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from
    Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occurred within poverty-stricken black populations.:

    -1940 Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions
    during the Holocaust.

    -1947 The CIA begins its study of LSD as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge.

    -1953 Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germ Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.

    -1956 U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects.

    -1969 Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense requests from congress $10 million to develop, within 5 to 10 years, a synthetic biological agent to which no natural immunity exists. (since it’s secret no one knows if he succeeded)

    -1977 Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

    These are just a few example of how are “government” is looking out for us.

  • Mary

    Excellent, well-researched commentary! Thank you Shawn for calling attention to the $acred cow of vaccines and the damage/death they inflict. My response to parents and individuals when they repeat the sos that vaccines are ‘safe’ because their doctors and our ‘regulatory’ agencies deem them so, is to counter that if they’re so ‘safe’, then why has over $2.4 billion been paid out to families whose children have been severely incapacitated or have died as a result of vaccine damage? Not much to argue there, however, this number represents less than 1% of vaccine reactions/deaths as most doctors who have witnessed vaccine reactions are remiss about reporting to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System), an after-the-fact database which is voluntary and not mandatory for reporting such incidents. Do the math and figure if all vaccine reactions and deaths were reported, pHARMa would soon go under. Can’t have that, now can we? So the continual misinformation is put out to the public via the media who take their marching orders from the state ‘health’ depts as well as the ‘regulatory’ agencies who call the $hots. ‘Pincushions of Profit’ is how drug and vaccine manufacturers see us. Just say ‘NO’ to vaccines. Caveat emptor!

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Elnura,

    I’m very familiar with these. I also recently visited Dachau and Auschwitz. As an example, many of the companies who participated in the war efforts on both Allied and Axis sides contributed to these horrid events.

    I would invite you to look into authors Anthony Sutton and Edwin Black for further context.

    Thank you for sharing.

    -Jeff

  • Barb

    Thank you for this well written article, on this day of Thanksgiving I’m deeply grateful that there is a large community of folks who are willing to speak the truth about vaccines…

  • Free People

    Thanks for this very strong and exceptionally well written article Shawn Siegel. Very clear on shedding truth and light on the reality of vaccines.

  • Sallie

    Thanks Shawn for this informative article.

  • Roxanne

    The irony is the sheeple have been trained to worship the very thing that
    is causing/contributing to their ill health/demise… The same folks who claim they need a flu shot, for example, because they’ve got M.S. etc., never question whether vaccination was responsible for their auto-immune disorder! Meanwhile, another toxic assault is the last thing they need.
    BTW, I like your use of the $, Mary, I do the same thing.

  • Roxanne

    I think we need a STOP VIDS campaign to open the eyes of the masses to the massive damage that is being accrued due to vaccination. If people realized
    the links between vaccines and allergies, ear infections, asthma, SIDS, diabetes,
    hearing and visual problems, behavioral and learning disabilities, autism, auto-immune disorders, organ disorders/failure, cancer ETC., they would be shocked and angry. (I realize that these conditions can be multi-factoral but the pivotal role of
    vaccination in causing/contributing to the deteriorating health of our children
    can no longer be ignored) The term VIDS (Vaccine Induced Disease(s) Syndrome) needs to be used and used often to penetrate the entrenched brainwashing society has been subjected to.

  • Free People

    +1 “The term VIDS (Vaccine Induced Disease(s) Syndrome) needs to be used and used often to penetrate the entrenched brainwashing society has been subjected to.”

    Very good point Roxanne, and I agree. I frequently post how all these diseases are vaccine induced but haven’t actually used the term VACCINE INDUCED DISEASE SYNDROME (VIDS), and you’re right..VIDS needs to be brain-washed into the sheeple just like their faith in vaccines was. I’m sure it will get a lot of attention once we all start using the term, with the LONG list of vaccine induced diseases included.

  • elnura

    Thanks. I’m familiar with Edwin Black but just briefly looked at Sutton at your suggestion. This stuff makes my blood run cold.

  • Shawn_Siegel

    LOL. No actual information? I only gave you a dozen footnotes, which include: a book on the subject, written by an investigative journalist; links to the transcript of a panel on the problems they were encountering with the polio vaccination program, sponsored by the Illinois Medical Association and chaired by three PhD statisticians and an MD, all well versed in the development and deployment of the vaccine; a link to the CHOP article literally saying that beyond some swelling at the injection site and maybe some nausea the chicken pox vaccine is perfectly safe, as well as a link to the insert for said vaccine, showing clearly that upper and lower respiratory infections were noted *during the clinical trial*, and post-marketing reports – which, on an individual basis, must be thoroughly disproved to be associated with the vaccine, or it must be assumed that there is most likely a causative relationship – which include encephalitis, chicken pox ( ! ), shingles, anaphylactic shock and GBS; and much more.

    You apparently overlooked them.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Shawn, don’t expect him to look into it further.

    This person is a self-admitted man of the “Scientific Cloth.” You’ve insulted his “holy” high priests, and that is unforgivable.

  • Jim Bob

    So you are openly admitting that there is no actual scientific information here?

    1) You’ve used “journalistic” sources written by an anti-vaccine advocate.

    2)You’ve used one random panel discussion (ignoring mountains of evidence and studies that disagree with you).

    3) You’ve used a handout from CHOP that says vaccines are “perfectly safe”.

    4) You spent the entire article saying the vaccine industry has engaged in “statistical manipulation” and “deception” which kills the credibility of their own information (according to your very own words). So why in hell would you use their information (i.e. vaccine inserts? According to you, they falsify their information, so they must wrong. So based on your very own logic, there is no causative relationship between encephalitis, chicken pox, shingles, anaphylactic shock, GBS and “much more”.

    Unless, of course, you are cherry picking your data to suit your conclusions (which is clearly what you’ve done here).

    PS. This article is literally the worst article I’ve seen on this webpage (worse than any of England’s). At least some others attempt to make scientifically valid points, you don’t even try to do that.

  • Diogenes Diaz

    ok—-smart bob—you take it ok–i won’t—conspiracy–lol rally–if the government tell you something –you blindly believe them?

  • Roxanne

    http://ca-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=6f3cimti1tpjk#
    For anyone who’d like to expand their network of sites critical of vaccination,
    above is http://www.vran.org‘s latest bulletin.

  • Roxanne

    Jeffrey, please delete the below link which is incorrect.

  • Argus

    So says Jeffie, master of the “ad hominem” attack.
    I have never once seen a response from you where you actually attempt to address the topic at hand with relevant facts or information.
    Instead, you almost uniformly try to attack the other person’s sincerity or dredge up some incident from years and years ago that is somehow supposed impugn present-day science and medicine.
    It’s not hard to understand why the articles on this website are so dreadful when you realize who is supposed to be acting as the editor.

  • Sallie

    “My Doctor Said It Wasn’t the Vaccine”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEqYrrvsOMI

    “BAN VACCINES 2013 for the Ingredients, Diseases, Intent”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uDZBLsaNsc

  • elnura

    Here is some information that add to debate:

    Vaccine Fraud Exposed: Measles and Mumps Making a Huge Comeback Because Vaccines are Designed to Fail, say Merck Virologists

    http://healthfreedoms.org/2013/11/16/vaccine-fraud-exposed-measles-and-mumps-making-a-huge-comeback-because-vaccines-are-designed-to-fail-say-merck-virologists/

    http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/documents/Merck-False-Claims-Act.pdf

  • Shawn_Siegel

    Your reply is irrelevant. The first point alone demonstrates it. I cited Evidence of Harm because in it, David Kirby chronicled the meeting at which the CDC announced they’d found a direct correlation between the mercury in vaccines and the increasing incidence of speech and learning disorders and autism, which has nothing to do with whether Mr. Kirby is pro or anti vaccine, but simply with whether that piece of information is correct – which it certainly is, as revealed in the minutes of the subsequent meeting between the CDC and the vaccine manufacturers, obtained through a FOIA request.

    So you totally missed the point. When the CDC discovered the correlation, it was their absolute responsibility to alert the American people, so that parents could make informed vaccine decisions, but they failed to do so. That was an egregious breach of the public trust – one of many.

  • Shawn_Siegel

    Good stuff, elnura.

    No, none of the vaccine manufacturers’ dirtywork need be hidden from the government; they all sleep in the same bed. The mere fact that the FDA would ever put its stamp of approval on vaccines that were tested against adjuvants or other obviously quite reactive substances is evidence enough.

  • ourinstantmatter

    The entire Georgia government machine including the governor, Nathan Deal, is attempting to cover up the crimes committed against a family when they refused to provide informed consent to pediatrician Richard Cartie ( Doctors Hospital , Augusta ) for the administration of a tetanus vaccine. The latest letter:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/187973841/Governor-Nathan-Deal-and-DFCS-Stay-Away-From-Our-Sons

  • Lou

    Sir the “theory” stage has LONG been passed. The evidence is absolutely OVERWHELMING to all but the sheeple who will believe ANYTHING AUTHORITY tells them to believe despite mountains of countervailing evidence.

    We are in the pernicious thoroughly demonstrated “vaccination” Conspiracy stage. I pray the next stage is the thoroughly disproved and “vaccination” discontinued stage.

    As we speak the scam continues; yet another DANGEROUS; UNPROVEN; MANDATED.”vaccination” shoved down our FRIGHTENED throats.

    “Wisely, the JCVI refused to approve the vaccine due to lack of clinical
    efficacy studies. The vaccine was approved in the EU and Australia from a
    trial involving 1,800 infants that showed a “robust” immune response
    when given Bexsero alone or along with other vaccines. This was based on
    something called “surrogate protection,” meaning, protection is assumed
    (but not proven) due to the presence of antibodies in the blood stream.
    The JCVI noted that efficacy against disease has not been established
    and interestingly, that Bexsero’s antibody response waned rapidly.”.:
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/11/28/using-an-unapproved-meningitis-vaccine-not-so-fast-by-dr-sherri-tenpenny-do-aobnmm-abihm/

  • Lou

    Yep it is the law is it not.

  • Lou

    “Most of the many doctors who have witnessed vaccine damage – thankfully,
    not all – lack the professional integrity to follow up with curiosity,
    let alone research. This is the most troubling of the array of vaccine
    contradictions; trained to observe, they nevertheless appear blind to
    even the possibility of causal relation.”

    Is this a “Medical System” you wish to trust with your health and life? If this is the way they deal with “vaccination” treatment damage how do they deal with cancer treatment damage? How do they deal with treatment damage for ANY disease?

    Buyer beware!

  • Jim Bob

    Citing one meeting by the CDC does not invalidate mountains of evidence produced by other research institutions, the WHO, and pretty much every public health agency in the world.

    Moreover, since Mercury was removed from vaccines more than 10 years ago, we would have seen a drop in Autism rates if your hypothesis was correct. Guess what? We haven’t you’re wrong. Ergo, cherry picked results leads to faulty conclusions.
    PS. I’m willing to bet the CDC (along with almost all of the scientific/medical community) do not believe that Thimerosal was a cause of autism.

  • Jim Bob

    What?
    So your openly admitting that you make your medical decisions based on unsubstantiated rumors?
    Well done. Also, I’d love to see proof of your conspiracy (i.e. bank transfers, emails…I mean any proof would be better than a paranoid mind.)

  • elnura

    Yes, you do have a paranoid mind. When you can understand where the term conspiracy theory came from than you’ll have a better understanding in regards to what’s going on.

    First of all, my persona medical decision are none of your business BUT I have no problem telling you that I have a Dr. that doesn’t follow the pack of lemmings that her colleagues do and does her own independent research so she can provide the best information to her patients. Nothing I do is based on “unsubstantiated” rumors. However you are on the defensive about what you are saying. When you begin calling people names or say they are engaging in a conspiracy than you’ve lost the debate. That is the position of the out argued. If you want to have “proof” of a conspiracy, read the Simpsonwood transcripts and than go to the various website that have copies of the emails between the CDC and the Danish researchers who did not apply all the data. Also pay attention to the scientist at this conference which is titled: Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information June 7-8, 2000
    Simpsonwood Retreat Center Norcross, Georgia. Ex:

    Dr. Chen on page 256 expresses his concern about this information reaching the public. He remarks, “We have been privileged so far that given the sensitivity of
    information, we have been able to manage to keep it out of, let’s say, less responsible hands….”Dr. Bernier agrees and notes, “This information has been held fairly tightly.” Later he calls it “embargoed information” and“very highly protected information.”

    So much for the Federal Law of “Informed Consent”.

  • Shawn_Siegel

    You still missed the point. All the distraction aside, it was the absolute responsibility of the CDC, upon finding, in their own study, a direct correlation between the mercury in vaccines and the increase in speech and learning disorders and autism, to relay that information to the American public – to the parents making vaccine decisions for their kids – immediately, and not a moment later, and for obvious reasons. They announced the removal of mercury – from many, but not all of the vaccines – take a minute to read the recommended schedule and the list of vaccine ingredients on the CDC’s website – two years later, but those containing mercury were never recalled, and it was an additional number of years before they were all administered. During that time, an untold number of thousands of kids were, to the CDC’s own, in-house knowledge, at risk, or even possibly at risk, of all those disorders, a macabre price to pay for supposed prevention of acute, temporary diseases.

    As for your bet, read the minutes of the Simpsonwood conference, in which one doctor said, “the number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.”; and another left the meeting to call his daughter-in-law, about to give birth to his grandson, to tell her not to give the baby any vaccines.

    The expression, “you can play with this all you want” should nail it down for you. They held the meeting to determine how to best sweep the findings under the rug. They knew exactly what they’d found. So do I, so do the other readers of this website and millions of others – and so should you. Be careful – if you’re simply naive, it’s debilitating; if you’re disingenuous, it’ll come back to haunt you.

    The CDC lies, obfuscates, and withholds critical vaccine information. They cannot be trusted.

  • Jim Bob

    So one conference invalidates all relevant and published and peer reviewed results?
    But I perused it for fun. Leading up to your “damning evidence”, they all clearly state that there isn’t enough information to make a causal determination between Thimerosal and Autism. I also checked these emails. And none of that made any sense either. Lets assume for one second they left out 1 years data what about the other 9 that showed no correlation between Thimerosal and Autism?
    Moreover, if you pulled your head into this decade you’ll realize that there isn’t Thimerosal in any childhood vaccines and lo and behold Autism rates continue to rise.
    Ergo, Thimerosal does not cause autism, ergo your conspiracy theory is wrong.
    PS. You’ve got a shitty doctor who should probably follow the “lemmings”. Just because he makes his own conclusions doesn’t mean they’re right.

  • elnura

    Do you think you can honestly communicate without being obtuse, bullying or name calling? People would take you seriously if you weren’t so hell bent on brow beating everyone in all your comments. You do realize this is part of troll training. Intimidation. it’s not working here so why don’t you just be civil.

    Keep this in mind: EVERY DRUG THAT HAS EVER BEEN RECALLED, HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE SAFE AND EFFECTIVE BY THE FDA.

    Now. How many dead or damaged children have there been since the industry acknowledged that it is the mercury in the vaccine, which by the way has not been removed? There remains a “trace” amount in every vaccine.

    During an investigation into the mercury issue, HAPI learned that Thimerosal, a 50% mercury compound, is still being used to produce most vaccines and that the manufacturers are simply “filtering it out” of the final product. However, according to Boyd Haley, PhD, Chemistry Department Chair, University of Kentucky,
    mercury binds to the antigenic protein in the vaccine and cannot be completely, 100% filtered out. All four
    vaccine vials tested contained mercury despite manufacturer claims that two of the vials were completely mercury free. All four vials also contained aluminum, one
    nine times more than the other three, which tremendously
    enhances the toxicity of mercury causing neuronal death
    in the brain. It is the position of Dr. Haley as well as HAPI that if mercury can be detected in any vaccine using standard instrumentation, the content should be disclosed in the product insert and manufacturers should not be allowed to call the product “mercury free”.
    Vaccines Are Not Mercury Free: http://whale.to/a/mercury7.html

    Babies; mercury levels and excretion
    And if, as Professor Boyd Haley has shown, some babies can NOT get rid of mercury, …what then? It seems to be
    conveniently dismissed as if neonates “are just small adults”. They are not. Neonates of all species have very different biochemistry and immune systems to adults, and that is an issue and problem that the pharmaceutical industry has yet to either admit or grapple with.
    Hilary Butler letter to BMJ 2004

    Dr. David Baskin, Professor of Neurosurgery at Baylor College of Medicine, told the Committee that brain tissue absorbs mercury five times more than other body tissues. And infants and small children are furthermore five times more sensitive to mercury’s toxicological effects compared to adults. [2009 Nov] Federal Health Agencies Continue to Deceive Americans: Congressional Report on a Vaccine
    Mercury-Autism Link Ignored for Six Years by Richard Gale and Gary Null, Ph.D

    The pharmaceutical Industry, CDC, WHO, IOM, should be classified as criminal enterprises. That one conference at Simpsonwood had in attendance: 52 privately invited attendees excluding the media and the public which was illegal. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in
    Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. This included all the major players in the industry so it’s not just one company involved in this criminal activity-it was 52 people which represented 52 different entities. That means 52 entities were involved in manipulating and changing data within their own companies/organizations. Also, stated at this conference that the industry had no intentions of removing mercury from vaccines that were going out of the country. Nice.

    On page 24 Dr. William Weil, a pediatrician representing the Committee on Environmental Health of the American
    Academy of Pediatrics, brings some sense to the discussion by reminding them that, “there are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem. The earlier we go, the more serious the problem.” Here he means that the further back you go during the child’s brain development, the more likely the damage to the infant.

    This is an indication that some in the industry knew all along there was a problem, had probably seen it years before the study but chose to ignore it. This is not uncommon behavior, it’s the norm.

    This is what Ben Goldacre state in his book: Bad Pharma: How Drug Companies Mislead Doctors and Harm Patients.

    INTRO:
    Medicine is broken. And I genuinely believe that if patients and the public ever fully understand what has been done to them – what doctors, academics and regulators have permitted – they will be angry. On this, only you can judge.

    We like to imagine that medicine is based on evidence, and the results of fair tests. In reality, those tests are often profoundly flawed. We like to imagine that doctors are familiar with the research literature, when in reality much of it is hidden from them by drug companies. We like to imagine that doctors are well-educated, when in reality much of their education is funded by industry. We like to
    imagine that regulators only let effective drugs onto the market, when in reality they approve hopeless drugs, with data on side effects casually withheld from doctors and patients.

    I’m going to tell you how medicine works, just over the page, in one paragraph[1] that will seem so absurd – so ludicrously appalling – that when you read it, you’ll probably assume I’m exaggerating. We’re going
    to see that the whole edifice of medicine is broken, because the evidence we use to make decisions is hopelessly and systematically distorted; and this is no small thing. Because in medicine, we doctors and patients use abstract data to make decisions in the very real world
    of flesh and blood. If those decisions are misguided, they can result in death, and suffering, and pain.

    This isn’t a simple story of cartoonish evil, and there will be no conspiracy theories. Drug companies are not withholding the secret to curing cancer, nor are they killing us all with vaccines. Those kinds of stories have, at best, a poetic truth: we all know, intuitively, from the fragments we’ve picked up, that something is wrong in medicine. But
    most of us, doctors included, don’t know exactly what.

    These problems have been protected from public scrutiny because they’re too complex to capture in a soundbite, or even 3,000 words. This is why they’ve gone unfixed by politicians, at least to some extent; but it’s also why you’re holding a book of three hundred pages. The people you should have been able to trust to fix these problems have
    failed you, and because you have to understand a problem properly in order to fix it yourself, this book contains all that you need to know.

    Drugs are tested by the people who manufacture them, in
    poorly designed trials, on hopelessly small numbers of weird, unrepresentative patients, and analyzed using techniques which are flawed by design, in such a way that they exaggerate the benefits of treatments. Unsurprisingly, these trials tend to produce results that favor the manufacturer. When trials throw up results that companies don’t like, they are perfectly entitled to hide them from doctors and patients, so we only ever see a distorted picture of any drug’s true effects. Regulators see most of the trial data, but only from early on in a drug’s life, and even then they don’t give this data to doctors or patients, or even to other parts of government. This distorted evidence is then communicated and applied in a distorted fashion. In their forty years of practice after leaving medical school, doctors hear about what works through ad hoc oral traditions, from sales reps, colleagues or journals. But those colleagues can be in the pay of drug companies – often undisclosed – and the journals are too. And
    so are the patient groups. And finally, academic papers, which everyone thinks of as objective, are often covertly planned and written by people who work directly for the companies, without disclosure.

    “Missing Data”
    In “Missing Data,” Goldacre argues that the clinical
    trials undertaken by drug companies routinely reach conclusions favorable to the company. For example, in 2007 researchers studied every published trial on statins, drugs prescribed to reduce cholesterol levels. In the
    192 trials that were studied, industry-funded trials were 20 times more likely to produce results that favored the drug.

    He writes that these positive results are achieved in
    a number of ways. Sometimes the industry-sponsored studies are flawed by design (for example by comparing the new drug to an existing drug at an inadequate
    dose), and sometimes the patients are selected to make a positive result more likely. In addition, the data is studied as the trial progresses, and if the trial seems to be producing negative data it is stopped prematurely and the
    results are not published, or if it is producing positive data it may be stopped early so that longer-term effects are not examined. He writes that this publication bias, where
    negative results remain unpublished, is endemic within medicine and academia. As a consequence, he writes, doctors may have no idea what the effects are of the
    drugs they prescribe.

    An example he gives of the difficulty of obtaining missing data from drug companies is that of Tamiflu, manufactured by Roche to reduce the complications of bird flu. He writes that governments have spent billions of pounds stockpiling this, based in large part on a meta-analysis that was funded by the industry. He charts the efforts of independent researchers, particularly Tom Jefferson of the Cochrane Collaboration Respiratory Group, to gain access to information about the drug. (Read Bad Pharma for more information.) Yes, I have the book. Read an excerpt at: http://acupuncturegirl.tumblr.com/post/34222308055/bad-pharma-an-excerpt, http://us.macmillan.com/BookCustomPage_New.aspx?isbn=9780865478008,

    However, there is more than one example:

    “Official documents obtained from the U.K. Department of Health (DH) and the JCVI reveal that the British health authorities have been engaging in such practice for the last 30 years, apparently for the sole purpose of protecting the national vaccination program.

    Dr. Tomlijenovic’s full 45-page paper on vaccine corruption: http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf

    Whooping Cough Vaccine – Doesn’t Work – GSK Says “We Never Bothered to Check” http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/whooping-cough-vaccine-doesnt-work-gsk-says-we-never-bothered-to-check/

    Glaxo chief: Our drugs do not work on most patients
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/glaxo-chief-our-drugs-do-not-work-on-most-patients-575942.html

    Merck Lied About Mumps Vaccine http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/27/47851.htm http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/27/MerckUnsealed.pdf

    Vaccine-derived poliovirus (VDPV): Impact on
    poliomyelitis eradication. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19428874

    Merck ordered to pay $321 million criminal fine for illegally marketing Vioxx painkiller http://www.naturalnews.com/035690_Merck_Vioxx_marketing.html

    Wyeth forced to pay half a billion dollar fine for illegal marketing of Rapamune drug: http://www.naturalnews.com/041525_illegal_marketing_Big_Pharma_Rapamune.html

    Big Pharma Getting Away with Murder: http://www.naturalnews.com/036096_Big_Pharma_murder_fatalities.html

    Merck Created Hit List to “Destroy,” “Neutralize” or “Discredit” Dissenting Doctors: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/merck-created-hit-list-to-destroy-neutralize-or-discredit-dissenting-doctors/

    (AVANDIA) Research Ties Diabetes Drug to
    Heart Woes http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/health/policy/20avandia.html?hp&_r=0 AVANDIA caused 83,000
    heart attacks between 1999 and 200 “Sen. Max Baucus, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, and Chuck Grassley, the committee’s ranking Republican, released the report, which follows a two-year inquiry, on Saturday.
    They are also asking the U.S. Food and Drug Administration why it allowed a clinical trial of Avandia to continue even after the agency estimated that the
    drug AVANDIA caused 83,000 heart attacks between 1999 and 2007.”

    Pharmaceutical companies spend millions to hype their products. One method is to sponsor “studies” by well known medical colleges and universities. One study showed that Vitamin E was worthless in protecting
    humans from heart attack. What they did was to focus on only one component that was already known to have virtually no effect on MI outcome, while almost all
    other tocopheryls drastically reduced heart attacks.
    http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/77/3/700.pdf

    Adding Fluoride to the public water system for “the
    common good” does not statistically reduce cavities, but does increase osteoporosis, tooth loss (caused by dental fluorosis (cracking teeth), fibromyalgia, and other muscle pain. All of these can be solved (to some extent) if you have enough money to buy additional prescription drugs from your friendly drug company. Fluoridegate: An
    American Tragedy: http://www.fluoridegate.org/

    From the CDC Website:
    “Who received SV40-contaminated polio vaccine in the U.S.?More than 98 million Americans received one or more doses of IPV (the injected form of the polio vaccine) during the period (1955–1963) when some of the vaccine was contaminated with SV40. However, not all doses of IPV were contaminated. It has been estimated that 10–30 million of the 98 million people who received a polio shot actually received a vaccine that contained SV40 (Shah and Nathanson, 1976). In addition, about 10,000 volunteers who received an experimental oral polio vaccine (OPV) between 1959–1961 may have been exposed to SV40 …”
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/archive/polio_and_cancer.

    ( From the now removed CDC webpage that I have a copy
    of)

    The live Polio virus vaccine was also responsible for a small group of parents, relatives, babysitters, and medical personnel contracting Polio from the body fluids and
    diapers of vaccinated people, because of “shedding” (secondary transmission), which is still a minor problem today.

    The Polio Vaccine was contaminated with SV-40 and the CDC & FDA refuse to acknowledge the explosion of cancer around the world came from the flawed and contaminated vaccine.

    “Had my mother and father known that the poliovirus vaccines of the 1950s were heavily contaminated with more than 26 monkey viruses, including the cancer virus
    SV40, I can say with certainty that they would not have allowed their children and themselves to take those vaccines. Both of my parents might not have developed
    cancers suspected of being vaccine-related, and might even be alive today.”
    WRITTEN TESTIMONY OF DR. HOWARD B. URNOVITZ August 3, 1999 COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM AND OVERSIGHT

    The CDC knows which is why they removed their webpage on SV-40.

  • Jim Bob

    They never found a direct connection between Thimerosal and vaccines. In fact, no one has. Hence the reasons why Autism rates continue to rise over the past 12 years since mercury was removed from vaccines.
    Even if some vaccines with Thimerosal lingered around, the overall usage of it decreased which means we still would have seen a decrease in Autism diagnoses. This was not the case.
    Ergo, your point is useless and wrong.

  • Jim Bob

    Meh? But using the same definition over the past 40 years has still showed a decrease in Polio. Hence, no conspiracy.
    Moreover, it wasn’t a “magic wave of the wand”. Its called science. You may want to research non-polio AFP. There were many cases of AFP that were simply attributed to polio. With the wave of their magic wand, they asked that the verified illness be recorded where known.
    Doesn’t sound like the evil plot you make it out to be does it?

  • Jim Bob

    Yes. DRUGS AND PHARMACEUTICALS THAT ARE UNSAFE ARE RECALLED BY THE FDA AND CDC. EGRO, THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY OR COLLUSION BETWEEN PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES AND THE CDC AND FDA.

    Please follow your own logic. The FDA and CDC are functioning properly by your own statement.

    Next part: So your other source (published in 2004 on Whale) hasn’t been scientifically validated, so its useless to comment. One would have thought they would have gotten around to it by now if it was in fact valid. Moreover, no one has seemed to confirm this “secret mercury” in vaccines. (I will only laugh at you for using whale.to as a source of information)

    Next part: No more Thimerosal in vaccines but autism rates still keep rising. Ergo (I think I’ve posted this like 6 times here already), no link between Thimerosal and autism. Swing and a miss.

    Next part: The excerpt of a book that apparently invalidates all research everywhere that was funded by anyone without any actual evidence except that drug companies make successful drugs that are tested and proven so ergo its corruption.

    Tomlijenovic’s article(s) was dismissed because of the ecological fallacy.

    Next part: Natural News articles. I won’t dignify it with a response.

    Next part: Same old incorrect polio arguments about SV-40 and “vaccine-derived” polio.

  • NE 914

    Elnura, appreciate the time for all these informative links. I was already familiar with some but will definitely look into getting Goldacre’s book.

  • NE 914

    Shawn, thanks for getting the word out with articles like this, your interview with
    Dr. Humphries and more.

  • NE 914

    Great work, Sallie!

  • Jim Bob

    How do they invalidate mountains of confirmed scientific research?
    Because it doesn’t. Moreover, lets assume that studies by the CDC are invalidated. Does that mean there are no other studies that show no link between autism and vaccines?

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Start facing some actual reality, Jim Bob! Nothing here as to the vaccine truth, is only a theory, and all of it can be backed up with recorded and genuine historical fact, and as well real physiological science. The obvious fact is that that you reject every last one of those sources, and refuse to accept anything but the standard parotted blend of CDC style false propaganda.

    Go ahead a prove to us that vaccines are safe and do the 10,000 vaccines are safe in one day, Paul Offit, CDC spokesman challenge. Do not even begin to tell me that was not what he stated, as his direct quote has been preserved just as it was scene shot copied, from the CHOP site. http://www.whale.to/vaccines/offit23.html

    The CDC Claimed To Epidemiological Safety Studies – Verses – The Independent Physiological Vaccine Safety Science

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-cdc-claimed-to-epidemiological-safety-studies-ndash-verses-ndash-the-independent-physiological-vaccine-safety-science.html

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign

    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Big Pharma’s Corruption and Fraud

    http://www.vacfacts.info/big-pharmarsquos-corruption-and-fraud.html

    Dr. Paul Offit Misinforms and Fabricates the Truth on the Dangers of the Anti-Vaccine [Vaccine Truth] Movement

    http://www.vacfacts.info/dr-paul-offit-misinforms-and-fabricates-the-truth-on-the-dangers-of-the-anti-vaccine-vaccine-truth-movement.html

    If modern medicine has it right, Jim Bob; then why do they over-all remain such a failure? No conspiracy exists, ever, right?

    Death by Medicine

    By Gary Null, Ph.D., PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD

    ABSTRACT

    A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good. The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million.1 Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995, said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics.2, 2a

    The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million.3 The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million.4 The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown in the following table is 783,936. It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251.5

    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/articles/death-by-medicine-is-leading-cause-of-death.html

    Medicine Kills Millions
    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    1 through 4 are all only twisted and false excuses enabling you to refuse acceptance of any and all alternative information provided, Jim Bob. No, deliberate, “statistical manipulation” and nor “deception” has ever existing the vaccine promotional circles, is that correct, in what you are stating? Really?

    The Vaccine Hoax is Over. Documents from UK reveal 30 Years of Coverup
    http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/10/the-vaccine-hoax-is-over-freedom-of-information-act-documents-from-uk-reveal-30-years-of-coverup/

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    Varicella and Shingles Vaccine – For Profit Quackery
    http://www.vacfacts.info/varicella-and-shingles-vaccine—for-profit-quackery.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    There are lots of studies found right in Pubmed that link Thimerosal and ASD, Jim Bob.

    THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP, (a direct evaluation of the Simpson Wood meeting)
    By Russell Blaylock, M.D.
    (c) 2004
    http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm

    Facts, regarding the misleading claim that mercury, (Thimerosal), has been removed from vaccines.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/facts-regarding-the-misleading-claim-that-mercury-thimerosal-has-been-removed-from-vaccines.html

    2003 Danish Study on Mercury Fabricated? New Study Completely Different Results. New Danish/CDC Data Undercuts Claims that Autism Rates Increased in Denmark after Mercury was removed from Vaccines: Who is Telling the Truth?
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/09/danish-mercury-study-fabricated-new-study-different-results.html

    The Fallacy of Thimerosal Removal & Autism Increase: A Failure of Science, A Bigger Failure to Children Worldwide
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/03/the-fallacy-of-thimerosal-removal-autism-increase-a-failure-of-science-a-bigger-failure-to-children-.html

    Autism “Danish Study” Author is “On the Run…”
    Poul Thorsen – Makes US “Top Ten Most Wanted” List
    http://www.bolenreport.com/Mark%20Geier/poulson.htm

    OIG Fugitive: Poul Thorsen
    http://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp

    The Unbiased Vaccine Science and Data
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-unbiased-vaccine-science-and-data.html
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-vaccine-damage—science.html

    Do you have any safety studies on vaccine aluminum adjuvants, Jim Bob? I prefer the studies to be of a physiological study basis.

    Aluminum Adjuvants – Lack of Safety Data – Lack of Aluminum Adjuvant Safety Studies
    http://www.vacfacts.info/aluminum-vaccine-adjuvants.html

    Vaccine Caused Ischemia/Hypoxia
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-caused-ischemiahypoxia.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Actually, most people with any honesty, conclude that the articles are very good, factual, and very informative here on this site. Try and stop being so angry about the open presentation of reality. You claim to that there are no relevant facts and nor information provided; yet you have across the board denied the existence of any and all such information, for years? Nothing would be enough. Oh, and your real identity would be who? Do you see me hidding, anything?

  • elnura

    You are delusional and disturbed if you think there is no collusion between the vaccine industry, CDC and FDA regardless of what’s written on paper. The behavior speaks for itself. Here is a prime example:

    Regarding corruption surrounding the recommendation of influenza vaccines; there are no restrictions with regard to conflicts of interest for the employees of the CDC or for those of the FDA (Kuehn, 2010). Each employee of either agency is allowed to own stock in drug companies.
    There is of course the revolving door. The most blatant example of revolving door corruption may be the action of the former director of the CDC, Julie Gerberding. Gererding blocked the CDC’s planned retraction of their recommendation for HPV vaccine after significant numbers of girls had died or been rendered paralyzed
    by the HPV vaccine. Soon after blocking the retraction, Gerberding was offered and took a position at Merck, the manufacturer of Gardasil, the world’s best selling HPV vaccine, as head of Merck Vaccines Department
    (Reuters, 2009). It is a level of corruption that we would expect to see in only third world countries.

    In 1993, the Comprehensive Childhood Immunization Act was signed into law by President Clinton. Among the various provisions of the law is one that provides for between $50 and $100 to be paid by the CDC to school
    districts for every ‘Fully vaccinated’ child in their district. Here again, we see the opportunity for corruption. Vaccine manufacturers, their shareholders, including government employees, and school districts have the opportunity to make money for themselves, or for their departments. Certainly employees of school districts won’t be ‘getting
    fat’ on the CDC’s $50 to $100, but clearly there is a greater likelihood that they may lose their job due to cuts if the coercion to have students vaccinated ceases. Green Med. ( I know in my state the school district is paid for every vaccinated child $100.00. CDC also had a “pilot’ program offering free Flu vaccines to school children in Detroit and the school was paid for each child that participated.)

    The CDC yearly lie of 36,000 people die of the Flu every year is corruption beyond the pale. The CDC and all the vaccine makers have a yearly conference to strategize how to terrorize the American people into offering themselves up for the yearly Flu poison. There has never been a year that 36,000 people died of the Flu in this country. This is a blatantly lie and any person that supports this form of medical terrorism is no better than the people who are supporters of the eugenics movement.

    I don’t vet my sources through you or anyone else. You dismiss information because you don’t like the website even though that website uses conventional sources such as the CDC, Science magazines etc. That’s your bad. As far as SV-40. Read “Fear of the Invisible” by Janine Roberts where scientist such as Maurice Hilleman state that the monkey virus was in the polio vaccine.

    [Book extract. The Health Century] Dr. Bernice E. Eddy, whose lab tests found that the Cutter vaccine had been improperly inactivated.

    “I said, listen Albert, you and I are good friends. But I’m going to talk about a virus that’s in your vaccine now. You’re going to get rid of the virus.
    Don’t worry about it, you’re going to get rid of it. So of course Albert was very upset with me.”

    Hilleman told Sabin there was something special about this virus. “I don’t know how to tell you this, but I’ve been around vaccines for a long time. I just think this virus may have some long term effects.”

    Sabin said what?

    “I said cancer. I said Albert, you probably think I’m nuts, but I just have that feeling.”

    Hilleman also warned of the mercury load in vaccines -which is still in vaccines.

    “When viewed in this way, the mercury load appears rather large,” said the memo from Dr. Maurice R. Hilleman, an internationally renowned vaccinologist. It was written to the president of Merck’s vaccine division.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2005/feb/08/business
    /fi-vaccine8

    This leaked 1991 memo, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, then Senior Vice President of Merck and an internationally recognized vaccinologist, raised concerns regarding mercury in vaccines after calculating that exposure for a 6 month old was 87 times too high. The memo called attention to the DPT vaccine, which due to the many reports of adverse reactions and brain damage spurred Congress to create the VICP.

    Merck vaccine scientist Dr. Maurice Hilleman admitted presence of SV40, AIDS and cancer viruses in vaccines:
    Video & transcript.
    http://www.naturalnews.com/033584_Dr_Maurice_Hilleman_SV40.html

    If you don’t like the website you can find it at Live Leak or other sites. That’s if you want to know the truth from the man himself. Or do you have an issue with the most successful (in terms of finances for Merck) vaccine developer of all times.

    Regarding: “The Virus and the Vaccine
    (article)” by Debbie Bookchin and Jim Schumacher
    The Atlantic Monthly, February 2000
    by Raphaele and Michael Horwin
    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2000/02/002bookchin.htm

    We would like to bring attention to a rather important article which was published in the February 2000 edition of The Atlantic Monthly magazine that investigates a link between certain vaccines and cancer. We encourage you to read this eleven page article and learn about the
    groundbreaking science that is developing in this area.

    This article discusses research into a highly carcinogenic
    virus named Simian Virus 40 (SV40). The original source for this virus is attributed to a particular species of monkeys which was used in the manufacture of vaccines. In 1960, SV40 was recognized as a tumor virus (a virus that creates cancers in laboratory animals) and as a known contaminant of the poliovirus andadenovirus vaccines. The following quote comes from the FDA in 1997: “The discovery in 1960 that a DNA tumor virus, designated simian virus 40 (SV40), was an inadvertent contaminant of rhesus monkey cells, and consequently the
    poliovirus and adenovirus vaccines that were made in these cells, was a watershed event in vaccine development…it confronted the scientific and regulatory community with the very problem that they had sought to avoid in vaccine development…” (From: Andrew M. Lewis Jr., William M. Egan, Office of Vaccine Research and Review, Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research,
    Food and Drug Administration as published in Simian Virus 40 (SV40) A Possible
    Human Polyomavirus, Natcher Auditorium, NIH, Betheseda, Maryland, USA , 1997).

    Last month, the National Cancer Institute admitted that SV40 plays a role in the genesis of a type of very aggressive human lung cancer called mesothelioma. This quote comes from a recent article published by the
    NCI: “Collectively, these data suggest that SV40 oncoproteins contribute to the malignant phenotype of plural mesotheliomas…” (From: Waheed I,
    Schrump DS et. al. Antisense to SV40 Early Gene Region Induces Growth Arrest and Apoptosis in T-Antigen-positive Human Pleural Mesothelioma Cells, CANCER
    RESEARCH 59, 6068-6073, December 15, 1999)

    The Atlantic Monthly article states, “In 1961 federal
    health officials ordered vaccine manufacturers to screen for the virus and eliminate it from the vaccine. Worried about creating a panic, they kept the discovery of SV40 under wraps and never recalled existing stocks. For two more years, millions of additional people were needlessly expossed – bringing the total to 98 million Americans from 1955 to 1963.”

    The Atlantic Monthly article focuses on the work of Michele Carbone M.D. Ph.D. of Loyola University Chicago in Illinois, a scientist of great integrity who has studied SV40 for the past 10 years. Dr. Carbone and his
    colleagues have played a key role in moving this science forward, reexamining SV40 and understanding its potential role in human cancers especially mesotheliomas. The article also mentions that various researchers from around
    the world have found SV40 in a number of human tumors including mesotheliomas and various kinds of brain cancer (i.e. glioblastomas, astrocytomas, ependymomas,
    medulloblastomas, and papillomas of the choroid plexus). Many of these cancers are on the rise.

    Using modern DNA technology (PCR) Dr. Carbone recently tested unopened vials of poliovaccine manufactured in 1955 and detected two kinds of SV40. Unfortunately, the tests used by the poliovaccine manufacturers for the past 40 years to ensure that the vaccine is SV40-free has only focused on one type of SV40. Dr. Carbone suggests that this test is not sensitive enough (nor was it designed to be) to detect the second kind of SV40 which is as carcinogenic as the first type. Dr. Carbone and his colleagues wrote, “(the tissue culture cytopathic test) currently used in the United States to screen oral poliovaccines was…not sensitive enough to detect low amounts of the slow replicating SV40 virions…” (From: Rizzo P, Di Resta I, Powers A, Ratner H, Carbone M; Unique Strains of SV40 in Commercial Poliovaccines from 1955 Not Readily Identifiable with Current Testing for SV40 Infection, CANCER RESEARCH 59, 6103-6108, December 15, 1999).

    It must also be noted that in that same paper, Dr. Carbone
    tested 12 current vials of oral poliovaccines and found that they did not contain either type of SV40.

    Has SV40 been passed on from parents to children? Why is the virus found in the tumors of children born well after 1963?

    Today, as opposed to 40 years ago, technology exists to ensure that current vaccines are free of this dangerous contaminant. The vaccine manufacturers have continued to use the antiquated test (i.e. tissue culture cytopathic tests) instead of more sophisticated approaches (i.e. DNA/PCR) that could detect the virus with greater precision. Clearly, the increased cost of the more sophisticated tests is a factor. In the same paper quoted above, Dr. Carbone also wrote, “Our data also suggest that instead of cytopathic tests, immunohistochemical and/or molecular studies should be used to screen
    polio vaccines for SV40 to completely eliminate the risk of occasional contamination.”

    Simian virus 40 DNA found in US children: http://www.dreddyclinic.com/findinformation/ww/dis_con_article_ww/wilms_tumor_1.htm

    Simian Virus 40 Sequences in Human Lymphoblastoid B-Cell Lines: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC140833/

    Types of SV40 Associated Cancers: http://www.sv40foundation.org/Types.html

    Simian virus 40 is present in most United States human
    mesotheliomas, but it is rarely present in non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10619511

    Simian virus in polio shots tied to cancer / Two studies support widely disputed theory http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Simian-virus-in-polio-shots-tied-to-cancer-Two-2865997.php

    Some oral poliovirus vaccines were contaminated with infectious SV40 after 1961. http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/65/22/10273.long

    Center for Complex Infectious Diseases: http://www.ccid.org/addviruses/sv40.htm

    I have at least several hundred resources but I think for sane rational people who use critical thinking and common sense, this is enough. I don’t provide all this information for you because you are so indoctrinated you are mentally, emotionally and physically unable to make the necessary energetic shift to another level to see what is right in front of you. I provide this for people who are just beginning this journey or for those who just want more information.

    You’ll dismiss this information just as you have everyone else’s. From my perspective-I’ll take you seriously when you acquire the credentials of Dr. Maurice Hilleman and Dr. Michele Carbone.

    “It also gives us a very special, secret pleasure to see how unaware the people around us are of what is really happening to them.” Hitler

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    If all variables remained the same, with the exception of thimerosal, I could buy what you’re saying.

    However, more vaccines have been added to the schedule, thimerosal-containing vaccines are now recommended for pregnant women, etc. so — to agree with your line of reasoning would be illogical.

  • keith

    You’re missing the point that what you’re saying means that without a polio vaccine the rate of polio still would have dropped due to how you’re saying causes that used to be non-polio AFP were previously attributed to polio and then after the vaccine they weren’t. This changed the statistics. So our polio statistics showed a drop in polio whether a vaccine was used or not. Your own argument makes that point. But you sarcastically mock the idea of a conspiracy which is debatable in it’s definition. Was it a conspiracy? Or was it just crooked business? Is there really a difference? The thing is why was the definition changed at the same time the polio vaccine was released? Either way you make the point without realizing it that the vaccine did not get rid of polio.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Actually read it, so called, Jim Bob!

    THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP, (a direct evaluation of the Simpson Wood meeting)
    By Russell Blaylock, M.D.
    http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm

    Chapter V: 2003
    It’s Rotten in Denmark, (the Denmark study)
    http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/chapter5.html

    Research Article The Severity of Autism Is Associated with Toxic Metal Body Burden and Red Blood Cell Glutathione Levels

    Abstract

    This study investigated the relationship of children’s autism symptoms with their toxic metal body burden and red blood cell (RBC) glutathione levels. In children ages 3–8 years, the severity of autism was assessed using four tools: ADOS, PDD-BI, ATEC, and SAS. Toxic metal body burden was assessed by measuring urinary excretion of toxic metals, both before and after oral dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA). Multiple positive correlations were found between the severity of autism and the urinary excretion of toxic metals. Variations in the severity of autism measurements could be explained, in part, by regression analyses of urinary excretion of toxic metals before and after DMSA and the level of RBC glutathione (adjusted in all cases). This study demonstrates a significant positive association between the severity of autism and the relative body burden of toxic metals.

    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/

    Oxidative Stress Causes Renal Dopamine D1 Receptor Dysfunction and Hypertension via Mechanisms That Involve Nuclear Factor-? B and Protein Kinase C http://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/18/5/1446.long

    Low natural killer cell cytotoxic activity in autism: The role of glutathione, IL-2 and IL-15 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165572808003986

    Oxidative stress in autism NYS Institute for Basic Research in Developmental Disabilities
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0928468006000538

    Cellular and mitochondrial glutathione redox imbalance in lymphoblastoid cells derived from children with autism

    Excerpt: These results suggest that the autism LCLs exhibit a reduced glutathione reserve capacity in both cytosol and mitochondria that may compromise antioxidant defense and detoxification capacity under prooxidant conditions.

    http://www.fasebj.org/content/23/8/2374.short

    Neurotoxicology. 2005 Jan;26(1):1-8. Thimerosal neurotoxicity is associated with glutathione depletion: protection with glutathione precursors. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15527868

    Induction of Oxidative Stress by Glutathione Depletion Causes Severe Hypertension in Normal Rats
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10904027
    http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/36/1/142.full.pdf
    http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/8/1439.full.pdf

    Brain Dev. 2012 May 31

    Prenatal exposure to organomercury, thimerosal, persistently impairs the serotonergic and dopaminergic systems in the rat brain: Implications for association with developmental disorders.

    Ida-Eto M, Oyabu A, Ohkawara T, Tashiro Y, Narita N, Narita M
    Source: Department of Anatomy II, Mie University Graduate School of Medicine, Tsu, Mie 514-8507, Japan.

    Abstract

    Thimerosal, an organomercury compound, has been widely used as a preservative. Therefore, concerns have been raised about its neurotoxicity. We recently demonstrated perturbation of early serotonergic development by prenatal exposure to thimerosal (Ida-Eto et al. (2011) [11]). Here, we investigated whether prenatal thimerosal exposure causes persistent impairment after birth. Analysis on postnatal day 50 showed significant increase in hippocampal serotonin following thimerosal administration on embryonic day 9. Furthermore, not only serotonin, striatal dopamine was significantly increased. These results indicate that embryonic exposure to thimerosal produces lasting impairment of brain monoaminergic system, and thus every effort should be made to avoid the use of thimerosal.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22658806

    Neurosci Lett. 2011 Nov 14;505(2):61-4. doi: 10.1016/j.neulet.2011.05.053. Epub 2011 Jun 6.
    Embryonic exposure to thimerosal, an organomercury compound, causes abnormal early development of serotonergic neurons.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21669256

    Brain Dev. 2013 Mar;35(3):261-4. doi: 10.1016/j.braindev.2012.05.004. Epub 2012 Jun 1.
    Prenatal exposure to organomercury, thimerosal, persistently impairs the serotonergic and dopaminergic systems in the rat brain: Implications for association with developmental disorders.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22658806

    Maternal transfer of mercury to the developing embryo/fetus: is there a safe level?

    Mercury (Hg) exposure is ubiquitous in modern society via vaccines, fish/crustacea, dental amalgam, food, water, and the atmosphere. This article examines Hg exposure in the context of primary exposure to pregnant women and secondary exposure experienced by their unborn babies. Babies in utero are particularly at risk of higher Hg exposure than adults (on a dose/weight basis through maternal Hg transfer via the placenta), and are more susceptible to adverse effects from mercury and its biologically active compounds. It is, therefore, critical that regulatory advisories around maximum safe Hg exposures account for pregnant women and secondary exposure that children in utero experience. This study focused on standardized embryonic and fetal Hg exposures via primary exposure to the pregnant mother of two common Hg sources (dietary fish and parenteral vaccines). Data demonstrated that Hg exposures, particularly during the first trimester of pregnancy, at well-established dose/weight ratios produced severe damage to humans including death. In light of research suggestive of a mercuric risk factor for childhood conditions such as tic disorders, cerebral palsy, and autism, it is essential that Hg advisories account for secondary prenatal human exposures.

    Source: Toxicological and Environmental Chemistry,

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02772248.2012.724574

    Prenatal Exposure to Mercury and Fish Consumption During Pregnancy and Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder–Related Behavior in Children
    http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1377487

    More studies here:
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-vaccine-damage—science.html
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-unbiased-vaccine-science-and-data.html

    Vaccine Shedding. You will never look at vaccinated children the same again. (same video as above)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKSeiAs_A4w

    THE DILEMMA OF VACCINE-INDUCED DISEASE AND UNVACCINATED CHILDREN
    http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Vaccine-Shedding

    Post Vaccination – Vaccine Targeted Strain – Viral and Bacterial Pathogen – Shedding
    http://www.vacfacts.info/post-vaccination-vaccine-targeted-strain—viral-and-bacterial—shedding.html

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

    In the over-all historical perspective, vaccines have clearly NOT been responsible for eradication of the diseases they were claimed to have eradicated. Instead, all they have done is cause illnesses such as measles and pertussis to continue an endless cycle of not being able to be eradicated, due to vaccine shedding, antigenic, shift and such as an increase in other similar strains such as B parapertussis, causing that not wo have become the dominate strain, and it is not in the vaccine.

    All vaccines have done is to create more chronic illness and disease; and of course that is a win-win for big pharma. The evidence of the marvelous health of the many unvaccinated, is as well clear proof of this reality. You can fear monger all you want but the truth is vaccines have nad will always do more harm than good, and now especially so with the ever increasing numbers of no liability for anyone now since 1988, vaccines and additional doses of vaccine on the current CDC schedule.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    There are an endless number of drugs on the market that remain, and do far more harm than good for most people; Jim Bob. If as well this was not so we also would not find in well done studies that so called modern medicine and their snake oil sellers are a leading cause of death in the US, if not the actual leading cause of death.

    First of all you need to go back at least 100 years in history and realize that naturopathic protocols were once the best medicine and health care anyone could have had available, and still is today. Ask why was all of that trashed for the so called “science” (you know as in the claim that we have all the science), of chemically based pharmacueticals? When the Flexner report was produced, and the at the time big Rockefeller oil money, was provided to the existing medical schools, with no naturpathic means being allowed to continue; that was the end of REAL health care as we know it. You know, as in actually wanting to find and know the cause of adverse health conditions. What do they do today for the most part? They only treat the symptoms and not the actual cause; not do they any more even look for a root cause. The root causes have for the most part already been known of in the naturopathic circles, but all of that continues to be ignored as quackery and conspiracy theories.

    Doctors today are so mislead by the now decades of this pharma for profit madness having gone on, that they refuse to think for themselves, nor to even consider independent unbiased information. They all know that to speak out would bring a certain end to their careers. So, in fact that in itself is all they need to keep the medical troops marching to that pharma drum. There are of course certainly situations where emergency care and the ER are needed; and no one denies that. it is in the bigger picture where the harm is being done, and the failure to progress in the promotio of real health care. Vaccines are just on segment of this ongoing attrocity.

    First of all you need to understand why the foundations of modern medicine are based on false foundations, and thus it is even more easily understood why vaccines as well can actually, and only do more harm than good. 48 doses of 14 vaccines before the age of six; the children today get at least that many, and if not by now, likely even more than that in regard to the current CDC schedule. To make the claim that has been made, that the number of antigens is lower in todays vaccines, than it was years ago, as well is simply a preposterous statment.

    The False Foundations of Modern Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

    The Real History of Modern Medicine
    The Origins of Medical Industry Corruption
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-history-of-modern-medicine.html

    Big Pharma’s Corruption and Fraud
    http://www.vacfacts.info/big-pharmarsquos-corruption-and-fraud.html

    Death by Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    Medicine Kills Millions
    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/

    As far as the cancer industry; why have they not yet found the so called cure for cancer? Answer, because the cancer industry wil not allow it, and they are not looking.

    Natural Protocols Recovery From Cancer
    http://www.vacfacts.info/natural-protocols-recovery-from-cancer.html

    Just look at this long list of science and information to back cannabis oil in not only the successful treatment of cancer, but many other conditions. Do you hear a single word about that from mainstream, so called medicine? Why not?

    Cannabis Oil And The Existing Medicinal Science
    http://www.vacfacts.info/cannabis-oil-and-the-existing-medicinal-science.html

    Cannabis Oil – Cancer Cure, and much more
    http://www.vacfacts.info/cannabishemp-oil—cancer-cure.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/cannabis-oil-the-cancer-cure—page-two.html

    So, keep on being impressed with that so called modern medicine, and those vaccines, Jim Bob; but some of us actually see the reality, that you refuse to.

  • elnura

    PS. You’ve got a shitty doctor who should probably follow the
    “lemmings”. Just because he makes his own conclusions doesn’t mean
    they’re right.

    I have a great Doctor. SHE doesn’t tell me what to do, what I should or shouldn’t do. She LISTENS to me. She COMMUNICATES and INTERACTS with me. She treats me as a HUMAN BEING. She knows SHE WORKS FOR ME. She RESPECTS me and I RESPECT her. We have a RELATIONSHIP. We talk, laugh and share information. I can call her office and be given an appointment within 3 hours if necessary. She supports me heath care choices and decisions. She has gone to battle with the insurance company for me . She doesn’t kiss ass. Which is something I don’t think you can say.

  • Guest

    Ever hear of shifting goalposts Jeffry? The point was and is – thimerosal was removed so the autism numbers should have went down if your hypothesis was correct. They haven’t, so now you add “more vaccines” and my personal favorite – pregnant women and thimerosal. I have an idea, how about we review the “cotwatch” study in detail. Can you provide me with pictures of said device along with the name and address of at least one other person involved in this study even peripherally?

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    No – thimerosal was not removed. If you claim this to be so, please provide your evidence / documentation. Thanks.

  • Jim Bob

    Great, you’re doctor’s a “yes” woman. She supports your health care choices instead of advocating science-based medicine. Good for her.
    Perhaps you should tell her that you wish to start smoking because the warnings from the CDC and FDA are all false. See how much support you get.

  • Jim Bob

    I see where your coming from, but your logic is flawed. And here’s why:
    You need to discuss why polio re-emerges after vaccination rates decrease. Look at Nigeria and more recently Syria as examples. If polio was disappearing on its own without the aid of vaccinations, why does it come back after vaccination rates decrease?
    Moreover, if you look at when the Polio campaign in India started in 2002, polio infection rates started to drop significantly. This isn’t co-incidence or statistical manipulation. In fact, they broadened the definition of AFP in India as part of the polio infection surveillance protocols so we should have seen polio infection rates skyrocket if the vaccines weren’t working. But this hasn’t been the case.

  • keith

    There’s no evidence that vaccination rates decreased in Syria or Nigeria. If have you evidence of this then let us know, but I’ve looked for it and WHO and no one else knows what you’re talking about. As for India WHO shows spikes in polio in 2002 after the vaccine campaign started, then it shows spikes again in 2007 and 2008 that were much higher than previous years. So I’m not sure where you’re getting your information but it doesn’t match up with the WHO database.

    Another point you’re not looking at is the use of DDT which has long been thought by many to be the cause of polio. Everywhere DDT gets banned, polio disappears, and polio never existed until the use of the organochlorine pesticides. India was a heavy user of DDT and they’ve slowly been phasing it out since the late 1990s.

  • roxanne

    Good point re. the implications of DDT
    One of my first wake up calls re. vaccine heroic myths was my visiting a school decades back run by family members in India where all the children got polio from the vaccine. This was one of three intense eye-openers for me that
    forced me to confront and question what I had never independently questioned my entire life – the vaccine holy cow.
    Just a few more observations…
    “At the main hospital in Mbararay (Uganda) more than 600 children died following polio vaccination.”

    Khua Nkuba, Nov. 2002 speaking to the National Vaccine Information Centre, former East African Radio World Broadcasters (who lost his job and had his life threatened for honestly broadcasting the affects of the live virus polio vaccine in Uganda)

    “When WHO officials discovered a polio outbreak in Nigeria was sparked by the polio vaccine itself They assumed it would be easier to stop than the natural “wild” virus. They were wrong… The virus in the vaccine can mutate into a deadlier version that ignites new outbreaks.”
    ‘Polio Surge in Nigeria after Vaccine Virus Mutates’, Associated Press, 8/14/09

    “Some studies get published by tweaking their conclusions. For example, in an outbreak of paralytic polio in Oman in 1988-9 that started shortly after an immunization program…The actual state that the outbreak occurred “in the face of model immunization” and that the region with the highest attack had one of the highest coverage rates whereas the region with the lowest coverage had the lowest attack rate and that there was ‘no correlation between vaccine coverage rates and attack rates in the region.’ By the time they get to the concluding paragraph, however, the authors are calling for more vaccines in the schedule, more mass campaigns…”
    Jayne Donegan, MBBS DRGOG, DCH, DFFP, citing study from Lancet 1991, 338:715-20

  • Roxanne

    Your smoking comment is laughable. For years ads ran on TV with doctors endorsing the practice: ‘Which brand do
    you smoke, doctor?’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUZI0vE0FM
    Re. “science based medicine”
    Real science doesn’t -use fake placebos in their trials
    – have a “don’t look, don’t find” policy based on convenient ASSUMPTION that there is no link between the product and cancer, auto-immune conditions etc. – change definitions to serve commercial interests – confiscate research with critical findings – censor or smear doctors/scientists whose research findings/views don’t serve commercial interests – doesn’t allow those powerful interests to influence academia, regulatory bodies, professional journals etc.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    I think you need to actually start doing some independent and unbiased research Jim Bob. Be sure you read this information.

    The Shocking Truth About Syrian Polio Resurgence & Regime Change

    Excerpts:

    In Pakistan, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation (BMGF) and Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunizations (GAVI) were blamed on an outbreak of acute flaccid polio has begun to surface in the region and killed 10k Pakistani children who were inoculated.

    While in Pakistan, Gates and GAVI teamed up with the World Bank and UN Population Fund in the 1970′s under the Task Force on Vaccines for Fertility Regulation. The Task Force, “…acts as a global coordinating body for anti-fertility vaccine R&D.” GAVI is heavily funded by the BMGF for the global vaccination projects.

    It was found out through an investigation, that GAVI was using an untested vaccine; giving this dangerous vaccine to Pakistani children shows the lack of empathy associated with these organizations.

    GAVI was blamed for the deaths of 10,000 children in Pakistan when they came in and administered polio vaccines that resulted in casualties.

    In this instance, the polio spreading through Syria would be “vaccine-derived polio” as originating from the “oral polio vaccine” which contains an attenuated (weakened) vaccine-virus” – or active polio virus.

    This type of polio can “spread in the immediate community” and is especially dangerous to “a population [that] is seriously under-immunized”

    This would describe Syria because the polio virus has not been identified in the country for nearly 2 decades.

    This phenomenon is called circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus (cVDPV).

    Read more: http://www.occupycorporatism.com/the-shocking-truth-about-syrian-polio-resurgence-regime-change/

    Like I said, vaccines…have always done far more harm than good.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Again, all the mainstream studies that claim to have looked at the vaccine autism connection, are predominantly epidemiological studies, funded by and done by facilities that have everything to lose if the connection were ever shown within their circles, and that between vaccines and autism. Yet dozens of studies have clearly shown the link and as well that all to obviously the link certainly has not been disproven. Those studies are largely physiological studies which the CDC has largely had few if any such studies of that nature in regard to the safety of vaccines.

    Lets be honest, Jim Bob. The said studies that you refer to, ONLY looked at two things, one single vaccine, (the MMR), and additionally only one vaccine ingredient, (Thimerosal). That is clearly not an opinion, but fact. As to and in regard to those mountains of mainstream connected studies you refer to; as well none were ever done in regard to the safety of aluminum adjuvants. Many studies and as well sound irrefutable data has already for many years already confirmed the harm done by injecting vaccine aluminum adjuvants. Over activation of the brains microglia cells and that in turn resulting chronic levels of brain inflammation long term, that is not something any parent would knowingly risk for their child. This is another resulting situation now found in even some of mainstream studies, and specifically those same chronic levels of brain inflammation in the autistic, and as well those with ADHD. Thus in no way has it ever been confirmed scientifically that vaccines have no connection to ASD; and to claim to that is simply anti-science and preposterous.

    No studies as well were done on and as to the known issues of vaccine contamination; and certainly no sufficient studies were ever done in regard to combined multiple vaccines. Last of all, no mainstream studies have ever been done, comparing vaccinated verses unvaccinated health outcomes. Several independent studies however have confirmed some major differences in health outcomes, and clearly that outcome showed much better health outcomes for the unvaccinated. Actually causation of ASD is just the tip of the iceberg in regard to vaccine harm that is being done.

    http://www.vacfacts.info

  • elnura

    You know you’ve lost the debate when you choose to attack someone’s Doctor. Here are words that define my doctor but are unfamiliar to you:
    -Learned
    -Conscientious
    -Compassionate
    -Intuitive
    -Kind
    -Empathetic
    -Honest
    -Responsible
    -Published
    -Dept. Head of a Major University
    Hospital that ranks in the top 20th

    in the national rankings.

  • elnura

    That’s all he has Roxanne. He’s now attacking my doctor. Oh well, he thinks it’s a button he can push but no. A back door personal attack. Nothing is more distressing than attacking a person and they not respond like you want them too.

    I have some oldie but goodies for you in regards to the Doctors who promoted cigarettes.

    -More Doctors Smoke Camels Than Any Other Cigarette 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKMn-_aQoPk

    -FLINTSTONES Cigarette Commercial 1961 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdHSIquSHMw
    (for kids or adults?)

    -The Doctors Report From Camel Cigarettes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0tWONdhyO0

    -Unbelievable: doctors recommend smoking ! 60 years ago… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-y_N4u0uRQ

    -Doctors Smoking in the 50’s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-2oQOIXKuY

    Blast from the past. LOL.

  • Jim Bob

    Seriously, are you trying to argue that India isn’t polio-free now since the renewed vaccination program 10 years ago because there were isolated spikes?

    That’s called short-sightedness because you’ve ignored the downward trend in wild-polio infection rates.

    As for Syria and Nigeria, there is evidence. Apparently, you just don’t want to find it.

    For Syria: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24607136 – polio vaccination rates decreased 50% over the past three years and lo and behold, polio returns.

    And Nigeria: http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0040073
    There really isn’t anything more to say. As for DDT, are you saying Polio isn’t a virus? Moreover, there isn’t even any science behind your assumption other than some weak, spurious correlation which (again) does not mean causation. As proof, there has been a large number of call centres built in India since the late 1990’s. Perhaps that’s the reason for the drop in Polio infection rates. Its just a scientifically valid based on your reasoning.

  • keith

    I’m not saying India isn’t polio free, I never mentioned that. You’re making a straw man argument to distract from my pointing out that what you said wasn’t true.

    I also pointed out the downward trend in wild polio rate and the fact that DDT use has decline. Polio was declining long before a polio vaccine was in use.

    If there is evidence for Syria and Nigeria then show me. Don’t tell me aliens exist then when I tell you to show me the proof you tell me “nuh uh you show me the proof they don’t exist”.

    Your link to the BBC article posts no data on Syria’s vaccination rates. They can make all the claims they want but where is the data? Where are the references? And sure enough when you go to the WHO website their database lists Syrian’s vaccination rate for polio at 81% http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/globalsummary/countries?countrycriteria%5Bcountry%5D%5B%5D=SYR&commit=OK

    So take a look around and don’t just blindly believe what you’re told.

    The link you posted relevant to Nigeria discusses localized boycotts, it does not mention a decrease in vacination rates. And yes polio is a virus. It’s in you, me, and most people. DDT however damages the nerves and increases the virulence of polio. And again you’re making a straw argument with this call centers joke. You should read a little about DDT, the nervous system, and polio. It sure wouldn’t hurt. Take a look at this study showing DDT’s effect on the polio virus Gabliks J, Effects of insecticides on mammalian cells and virus infections. Ann NY Acad Sci, 1969, 160(1):254-271.

    Also on the WHO site the numbers for Nigeria don’t even match up depending the link you look at. But if you look at the vaccination rates over the years they have been increasing not decreasing. 2010 has two conflicting numbers (69% and 49%), but 2012 shows a 77% vaccination rate for polio. I don’t have to tell you that’s an increase, not a decrease.

  • Jim Bob

    I don’t see how any of what I said is a strawman.
    Regarding India, you failed to look at overall trends over the 15 year period and instead picked out two specific points where there were increases which lead to your faulty conclusion.
    Regarding Syria: I just looked at your info and it is clear as day that there was a decrease in immunization rates for polio which is now at 52 percent from 83 percent two years ago. Its not listed in the charts, but the WHO has also recently confirmed 13 new cases of polio in Syria.
    I’ll spell out Nigeria for you later when I have a moment.

  • keith

    A straw man argument is where you give someone an stance they never took then you tear them down based on that false stance. When you claim I was saying India wasn’t polio free you made a false claim about me, then you proceeded to tear me apart based on that false claim, hence a straw man argument.

    Did you not look at the WHO database I sent you? I’m not sure if the link goes right to Syria or the list of countries. Choose Syria and look at the chart. I already pulled the number out of the chart for you, which was 81%. The information for Nigeria is there too so there’s nothing for you to spell out. Look at the data.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    I would like to additionally add this bit of information.

    SV-40 Deadly Cure

    http://www.viewzone.com/sv40x.html

    Advances in Virus Research, Volume 50

    Pages 83 and 84, read.

    Excerpted:

    Moreover, blood and sperm fluid may represent important means for spreading of SV40 in humans.

    Indeed in these investigations, (Martini etal;, 1995,1996) 61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=PfO7D8ZoSMkC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=sv40+is+contagious&source=bl&ots=AlaWsAkp95&sig=RnycQFX2ucD-3zybHQ07FAIeJYk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kZLfT5_mA4qc2QXKz6jtCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sv40%20is%20contagious&f=false

    ORAL POLIO VACCINE AND HUMAN CANCER: A REASSESSMENT OF SV40 AS A CONTAMINANT BASED UPON LEGAL DOCUMENTS.

    http://www.sv40cancer.com/pap1.asp

    Infectious Agents and Cancer

    Review Open Access

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    Abstract

    Simian virus 40 (SV40) is a monkey virus that was administered to human populations by contaminated vaccines which were produced in SV40 naturally infected monkey cells.

    Recent molecular biology and epidemiological studies suggest that SV40 may be contagiously transmitted in humans by horizontal infection, independently from the earlier administration of SV40-contaminated vaccines.

    SV40 footprints in humans have been found associated at high prevalence with specific tumor types such as brain and bone tumors, mesotheliomas and lymphomas and with kidney diseases, and at lower prevalence in blood samples from healthy donors.

    Contrasting reports appeared in the literature on the circulation of SV40 in humans by contagious transmission and its association, as a possible etiologic cofactor, with specific human tumors. As a consequence of the conflicting results, a considerable debate has developed in the scientific community. In the present review we consider the main results obtained by different groups investigating SV40 sequences in human tumors and in blood specimens, the putative role of SV40 in the onset/progression of specific human tumors, and comment on the hypotheses arising from these data.

    http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1750-9378-2-13.pdf

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    Fernanda Martini1, Alfredo Corallini2, Veronica Balatti1, Silvia Sabbioni2, Cecilia Pancaldi1 and Mauro Tognon1*

    Corresponding author: Mauro Tognon

    Author Affiliations

    1 Department of Morphology and Embryology, Section of Cell Biology and Molecular Genetics, School of Medicine, and Center of Biotechnology, University of Ferrara, Via Fossato di Mortara, 64/B. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    2 Department of Experimental and Diagnostic Medicine, Section of Microbiology, University of Ferrara, Via Luigi Borsari, 46. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    Excerpted:

    A source of human exposure to SV40 occurred between 1955 and 1963, when inactivated and live anti-polio vaccines, prepared from polioviruses grown in naturally SV40-infected simian cell cultures, were administered to hundreds of millions of people in the United States, Canada, Europe, Asia and Africa [63]. Soon it was shown that children vaccinated with contaminated oral polio vaccines (OPV) shed infectious SV40 in stools for at least 5 weeks after vaccination [64]. However, some children, who received the same OPV, did not develop neutralizing antibodies even though they may have received large doses of live SV40, compared with the potentially inactivated SV40 in inactivated polio vaccine (IPV). Further, SV40 human contamination occurred in experimental infection with live respiratory syncytial virus to adult volunteers and a neutralizing antibody response in about two thirds of the volunteers was shown [65]. Inactivated vaccines against adenoviruses [66] and hepatitis A [67] virus also exposed humans to SV40, although the amount of infectious SV40 was almost certainly lower then that administered with OPV or live respiratory syncytial virus.

    Additional serologic studies reported a SV40 seropositivity in individuals with no history of immunization with contaminated IPV or other possible route of SV40 infection [69-72]. Shah et al., [72]

    These studies suggest that humans may become infected by SV40 independently from poliovirus vaccine exposure. However, most of these early serologic studies were carried out before the discovery of the two human polyomaviruses, BK and JC, which are close related to SV40 and are ubiquitous in human populations. It is possible that the early serologic evidence of SV40 antibody detection in human sera represents some degree of cross reactivity with antibodies against the highly related BK and JC viruses [73-75].

    To date, the prevalence of SV40 infections in humans is not known. Recent studies, based on PCR and serological techniques, indicate that SV40 infection occurs both in children and adults. (i) SV40 DNA sequences have been detected in normal and neoplastic tissues of people either too young (1 to 30 years) or too old (60 to 85 years) to have been vaccinated with SV40-contaminated anti-polio vaccines [19,33,76-81]. This finding may also explain the lack of difference in cancer incidence between individuals vaccinated with SV40-contaminated and SV40-free anti-polio vaccines [82]. (ii) SV40 sequences and Tag were detected in blood and sperm specimens from normal individuals and oncologic patients [80,81,83-88] and in lymphoblastoid cells [32]. These results suggest that(peripheral blood mononuclear cells)PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    The Lancet

    Association between simian virus 40 and non-Hodgkin lymphoma

    Interpretation

    SV40 is significantly associated with some types of non-Hodgkin lymphoma. These results add lymphomas to the types of human cancers associated with SV40.
    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(02)07950-3/abstract

    Here below is another writing of significant interest, regarding the safety of the earlier polio vaccine.

    Letters from Albert Sabin
    http://www.virology.ws/2009/01/19/letters-from-albert-sabin/

    Failure Of The Past And Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign, (the proof)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Scientific proof that the known cancer causing SV40 virus, a previous contaminant in the polio vaccine, is obviously either contagious; and/or the virus is still in the vaccine/s.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

    Vaccine contamination is clearly an ongoing and unresolved problem. There currently is no purification step process that can EVER assure the purity of vaccines, and that adventitious agents do not remain after manufacturing. As well how would you identify anything that this process is not even looking for, because there is no way to know what may be there and left behind after a sufficient time for replication of the virus/antigen or production of vaccine proteins. Given the nature of vaccine production from multiple animal types, (now even from as well insects), and even from such as aborted fetal cells used in that vaccine production; quite obviously that is a precarious situation that likely never will see a proper resolution.

    Vaccine Contamination
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-contamination.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Again, what kind of an (oral) polio vaccine success story, is this; Jim Bob? Conveniently, the CDC and the WHO left this part of the story out of their media presentations typically read by the public.

    51 035 cases of acute flaccid paralysis appear in this document (p 578) for India in 2011, and the in 2011. The figure of 86 638 cases of AFP was listed as globally.

    http://www.who.int/wer/wer8650.pdf

    Indian J Med Ethics. 2012 Apr-Jun;9(2):114-7.

    Polio programme: let us declare victory and move on.

    Vashisht N, Puliyel J.

    Source:Department of Paediatrics, St Stephens Hospital, Delhi 110054, India.

    Abstract

    It was hoped that following polio eradication, immunisation could be stopped. However the synthesis of polio virus in 2002, made eradication impossible. It is argued that getting poor countries to expend their scarce resources on an impossible dream over the last 10 years was unethical. Furthermore, while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere was violated. The authors suggest that the huge bill of US$ 8 billion spent on the programme, is a small sum to pay if the world learns to be wary of such vertical programmes in the future.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22591873

    When you understand the horrid AFP situation now know of in regard to the oral polio vaccine that Gates is using in underdeveloped counties, take a look at what they already knew about that, in the 1956 to 1982. Read the letters in the pdf format provided. They knew then; and this is still going on today!

    Letters from Albert Sabin
    http://www.virology.ws/2009/01/19/letters-from-albert-sabin/

    Bill Gates, confronted about the 48,000 cases of acute flaccid paralysis existing in India today. Gates entirely ignores the question, and continues singing the praises of vaccines. What an in denial, evil, and irresponsible man.

    Gates video here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xywfcEvj53o

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    The Shocking Truth About Syrian Polio Resurgence & Regime Change

    Excerpts: While in Pakistan, Gates and GAVI teamed up with the World Bank and UN Population Fund in the 1970′s under the Task Force on Vaccines for Fertility Regulation. The Task Force, “…acts as a global coordinating body for anti-fertility vaccine R&D.” GAVI is heavily funded by the BMGF for the global vaccination projects.

    It was found out through an investigation, that GAVI was using an untested vaccine; giving this dangerous vaccine to Pakistani children shows the lack of empathy associated with these organizations.

    GAVI was blamed for the deaths of 10,000 children in Pakistan when they came in and administered polio vaccines that resulted in casualties.

    In this instance, the polio spreading through Syria would be “vaccine-derived polio” as originating from the “oral polio vaccine” which contains an attenuated (weakened) vaccine-virus” – or active polio virus.

    This type of polio can “spread in the immediate community” and is especially dangerous to “a population [that] is seriously under-immunized”

    This would describe Syria because the polio virus has not been identified in the country for nearly 2 decades.

    This phenomenon is called circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus (cVDPV).

    Read more:
    http://www.occupycorporatism.com/the-shocking-truth-about-syrian-polio-resurgence-regime-change/

  • Roxanne

    Yes, his comment speaks volumes about himself.
    Thanks for the links.

  • josh

    Its truly sickening. They use poisons as “medicines” and when it does what poisons do, they just pay the victims very little compared to what they profited.

  • elnura

    Science Based Medicine is nothing but a front for big pharma. One of it’s principle front people is Dr.David Gorski’s aka know as “Orac”. He has ties to Sanofi-Aventis – the world’s largest vaccine maker, via his employer Wayne State University who has a contract with SA to develop new ways to use existing drugs rather than develop new ones which can cost billions. If you find a new way to use an existing one the profit margin is higher. Science Based is nothing more that a mouth piece for the industry and anything that comes from it is tainted.

  • Roxanne

    Thanks for letting me know about Gorski – another propagandist for the pharma-cartel and their media
    lackeys.

  • Matt

    I find it astonishing that some of the regular anti-vacc commentors actually have the tenacity to pull the “victim card” when someone has made a “personal attack” towards them. I’ve been reviewing this website for the past few hours and it doesn’t take a statistics expert to conclude that the anti-vaccs can definitely account for the bulk of personal insults on this website. This is going back to articles I’ve reviewed from 2 years ago.

  • elnura

    You’re entitled to your opinion. Just like everyone else.

  • Matt

    This really isn’t opinion.. .. go through the comments on this website. It’s actually pretty evident.

  • elnura

    Some of the comments might be condescending but personal attacks is a matter of opinion. It’s up to the moderator to make that call and if he’s allowing it, well, there isn’t much you can do except write him and complain.

  • sabelmouse

    it really isn’t and i stay away from it if i can.

  • sabelmouse

    i would like to recommend this excellent blogpost on the psychology of conmed and vaccination. http://www.sott.net/article/217766-Modern-Medicine-The-Hidden-Influence-of-Beliefs-and-Fears

  • Lou

    “What I believe is happening is that people, whether within the
    medico-pharmaceutical industry or outside it, are being subconsciously
    influenced by their deeply rooted myths, fears and superstitions which
    are now being projected onto the new screens of science and medicine.
    This produces an amazing paradox.”

    Yes this is indeed IMO is what is happening. “Vaccines” are safe and effective” How many times have we heard this in our lives; at least once or twice a day during flu season. Yet there is NO scientific proof that this is so. Indeed from my investigations of the evidence I can confidently make this statement.

    “Vaccines are DEADLY unsafe and NEGATIVELY effective.” All the epidemiological evidence backs up this conclusion

    o The USA despite “vaccinating” our children at a rate of about three times as much as most developing countries ranks 45th in world childhood mortality. What is killing all our EXTREMELY pampered with “vaccination” and “health care” children under the age of five years? Without explaining this paradox there is NO way “vaccination” can be pronounced by our HHS Religion as safe.

    o Numerous infectious disease etiological studies show “vaccination” to be nothing other than a bio-weapon being used on the human race. IMO the most evident of these decades long campaigns is the Polio Outrage perpetrated first on the American people then on all the peoples of this earth. It continues to this day in far off lands such as Afghanistan.

    http://vaxtruth.org/2012/03/the-polio-vaccine-part-1-2/
    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_polio.htm

    o All the studies of “vaccinated” vs, unvaccinated children show the unvaccinated children are FAR healthier than those burdened by on average of one “vaccination” per month.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_vs_unvacc_Child.htm

    o The truly shockingly clear work of Doctor Paul King PhD demonstrates incontrovertibly what happens to a LARGE relatively unvaccinated population of babies and young children are suddenly introduced to several toxic “vaccinations”. What happens is autism, the ASDs and all the diseases of “vaccination”.

    The Autism/ASD/Vaccine Damage epidemic is found in all countries that have allowed mass vaccinations. It is found nowhere else.

    “In New Delhi, India, prior to 2000, ASD/PDD (autism spectrum disorder/pervasive developmental disorder) symptoms were rare – typically only occurring in children who were vaccinated abroad. However, after the Indian pediatricians began recommending, in 2000, the addition of triple-dose Thimerosal-preserved Hib (Haemophilis influenza B) and Hep B (hepatitis B) vaccination programs to the existing Thimerosal-preserved triple dose DTP (diphtheria toxin, tetanus toxin and pertussis toxins) vaccination program recommended by the Government of India, the incidence of a childhood ASD/PDD diagnosis increased to 2 % to 4 % of vaccinated New Delhi children.” Doctor Paul King PhD, Note folks here it is. Read and reread this PLEASE. .

  • Anastasia

    Why are pediatricians vaccinating in the first place.? They are not schooled in immunology in the first place and are therefore incompitant to inject your kids

  • lauriej1

    Did anyone see last night’s episode of “Remedy”? A hospital worker is castigated for not having his child vaccinated, and even though the worker was, the hospital Chief of Staff claims that the worker was the cause of the outbreak because he was a “carrier” of a disease from his unvaccinated child… But never fear, the “epidemic” is stemmed by immediately vaccinating everyone in the hospital (notwithstanding it takes 2 weeks for antibody counts to rise — not that this really means anything) as if it can immediately reverse the disease process or cure an infected individual.
    Seriously folks, this type of idiotic propaganda is now finding it’s way into primetime medical shows.

  • bags

    i think most medical people are qualified to stick a needle in muscle tissue.. diabetics do themselves after all! they don’t make the vaccine!

  • Rezchix

    Bags,
    That’s like saying I can fix your automobile because I drive a car!

  • JimBobsMasta

    Your comments are weak and useless, especially since you still haven’t answered my question or provided scientific, peer reviewed evidence regarding what I asked you. C’mon shit for brains.

  • JimBobsMasta

    It’s funny how you will tool on everyone else here but me. I feel left out. You seriously are one big-ass idiot. Nothing you post makes any sense. Sorry Jimmy-B, we don’t believe anything you say. Lowell Hubbs is eating you alive. Go Lowell Hubbs. Jim Bob is scared of me. Can I tell you something that you can relay it to him/her for me? Since he is terrified to talk to me. It’s okay, passive aggressive dip shits like him don’t like real confrontation. Jimmy-B, I’m watching you………………………………………………………………………………

  • JimBobsMasta

    FUCK SCIENCE. I’ll say it again, FUCK SCIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now will you talk with me JimBob?

  • JimBobsMasta

    You can tell this brain washed idiot was up to date on his vaccinations. Keep drinking the kool aid Jimmy.

  • ArgusLuvsJimBob

    Argusssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss! I knew I’d find you here. Another brain washed idiot that had one too many vaccinations as a kid. You and JimBob need to get together. Two half brains would equal a whole one. Maybe then you guys would see the light. And together, that would just be beautiful.

  • JimBobsMasta

    Why should any of us provide proof? You don’t

  • bags

    only if you are stupid and make ridiculous comparisons because you can’t actually argue the point

  • JimBobsMasta

    Ergo, you smoke pharma pole. Ergo, you have half a brain. Ergo, acutally you are smarter than I initially thought you were and therefore makes you a dumbass because you can’t think of yourself. Ergo, you never provide any unbiased, peer reviewed scientific evidence (which according to you, takes away all your credibility). Ergo, you like to lay in bed naked with a bowl of Jello. Ergo, you are the bitch of Mrs. Information. Ergo, ergo, ergo, ergo, ergo, ergo, ergo, ergo. Damn man, get a life

  • JimBobsMasta

    By the way I’m not for or against vaccinations. I just want to mess with the two idiots who post useless, boring bullshit.

  • JimBobsMasta

    Yes, Elnura, just like JimBob said, you found a great doctor. JimBob would believe anything a doctor told him. Educated shouldn’t be confused with intelligence JimBob. Please say something to me. I’m trying so hard.

  • JimBobsMasta

    There goes Jimmy with his “ergo” nonsense. Ergo, this guy has shit for brains.

  • JimBob2000

    JimBob, were you there in India in 2002. No you were not. Where is your damn scientific evidence? Shit man, you really are stupid.

  • Dr. Mom
  • Rezchix

    You prove my point!
    Here’s some peer reviewed pub meds for ya….enjoy every word:)http://therefurbishedrogue.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-list-of-peer-reviewed-vaccine-research/

  • bags

    1 = hypothesis… get back when its been tested
    2 = measles and herpes may have a role in autism.. not vaccines. the disease itself..
    3 = i’ll take 53% protection over no protection. i had pertussis. it sucked. (its also been removed)

    4 = Removed
    i’ll do the rest later :)

  • bags

    i made a comment but i cant be bothered getting into it again. you wont read anything i write and even if i did you would write it off as industry shill so whats the point. you carry on in your little beliefs. just keep your unvaccinated kids away from my vaccinated ones please. they don’t want your diseases

  • Rezchix

    http://therefurbishedrogue.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-list-of-peer-reviewed-vaccine-research/
    That’s the best you can do?
    Seriously, had you bothered to read the pub med peer reviewed papers you guys insist we provide you, then respond back saying you’re not going to get back into because I probably won’t bother reading anything you post. Hypocrite! You obviously did not bother to read the pub med peer reviewed I made sure you had access to. This is the continuous insanity your side indulges in.
    You are right however when you ask, what good will it do…it is you who should be grateful that my side is so patient and willing to provide your side with legit information for your own good life and health.
    It is your right if you choose to vaccinate, but make no mistake, it is not your right to insist or even demand that I do.
    Herd immunity through vaccination is still just a theory, never once been substantiated through scientific study..
    The use of human diploid, throug aborted DNA is completely not acceptable.
    Msg
    Polysorbate
    Formaldehyde
    Aluminum
    Monkey RNA
    Bovine
    Thimerasol
    Antifreeze
    And many more known neurotoxic ingredients are never acceptable to put inside a human.
    Freedom to choose, informed consent, proper nutrition, vitamin and mineral rich diets, plenty of sleep, no processed gods, no fast food…clean water. Good hygiene…these are all scientifically proven methods if health and resilience.
    Read the pub med peer reviewed documents I sent to you, you might just learn something!

  • bags

    my comment came up as guest below. i guess i wasn’t logged in. you spout the same as all the other anti vaxxers and it has all been disproved time and time again, thats why i can’t be bothered. i came on these sites for discussion but there is none because you reject anything from the cdc or who as conspiracy or lies.

  • Rezchix

    And you bags are spouting out the same bologna your side spouts out too. The truth is, vaccines kill, ruin health and don’t have a worthy efficacy.
    Again, I will send you links for THE PUB MED PEER REVIEWS you qualify as legitimate sources sighted by real scientist and doctors. Do what you will with it, but don’t come b k spouting out the same blah blah blah because your t lazy to read it or because you are frightened that it may jus prove you wrong!
    Gosh, you can’t fix ignorant or laziness!
    PUB MED OEER REVIEW, that thing You need! Well here you go!

    People on the fence, vaccines harm, they don’t protect and the known neurotoxins they provide you with will destroy your health.
    Health freedom, your right to informed consent.

  • Rezchix
  • bags

    It must be really hard being so paranoid

  • Rezchix

    Awesome non response….
    That’s what I thought!
    Paranoid…naaaa, just in complete control of the choices i need to make. I enjoy health freedom. I very much enjoy informed consent.
    I’d venture to say, most parents blindly believe their doctors, and I have also seen how quickly concerned parents jump the fence when you start telling them what’s in a vaccine. They are so alarmed at first, they have a really difficult time believing that the ingredient list I tell them is true.
    I always follow up, and I am always very relieved they took the time to educate…
    Do yourself a favor bags…read the pub med peer review…it might just change your outlook.

  • bags

    I read it. There wasn’t much there. Half the links are broken because they were retracted. That’s why I can’t be bothered.

  • Rezchix

    You obviously did not read it. It is credentialed to the hilt. Why are you in here posting your conjecture?
    Make no mistake bags…it is absolutely none of your business whatsoever wether or not I vaccinate my children. I can without hesitation, guarantee, by 100% odds, that my children will absolutely never suffer a vaccine induced injury. It’s not paranoia, it’s taking responsibility for my children and their health. You feel you need to vaccinate your children, poor children, however, that is your right.
    Constitutionally, I am protected to make this decision and the truth is, the evidençe lends credibility to my view point.
    The audacity your side inflicts, is abusive and fear mongering.
    There is so much toxic sludge in a vaccine, that I find it almost impossible to fathom, that there is your side of the fence with your mindset.
    Live and let live….make your own decisions….don’t throw around your meaningless opinions like you have authority, you are just being a busy body.
    Vaccines, they are dangerous, destroy health and even end life.
    I’ll take good healthy living and hygiene with proper nutrition, rest, sleep and exercise.
    The choice is individual. It is absolutely none of your business!

  • bags

    that would be true if it wasn’t for the fact that your unvaccinated children put mine at risk. if you want it to be none of my business keep them out of school and other public places.

  • Rezchix

    No, it is true wether or not you believe it to be! If your vaccines work and your so confident in them…then why do you care if my children are unvaccinated? If your vaccines are so good and they truly prevent whatever they claim to prevent then even if my child had a full blown case of whatever …than your child should be okay…so logic dictates…I guess by your reasoning, you really aren’t confident that your child’s vaccine is legitimate!
    And really, you should be keeping your child away from mine, because your child has been infected…I mean injected with a virus.

  • bags

    god its like a broken record. Vaccines are not 100% effective. you need to get as many people as possible vaccinated to beat the odds and kill the disease. it really doesnt matter if you beat me in this argument or not. these are still facts and you have still been blagged by andrew wakefield and mercola and all those other con artists trying to make a buck selling alternatives to big pharma that do absolutely nothing except make them money with no studies of any kind to back them. and the real joke of it is you will tell me to wake up. i know what is in the vaccines and what is not. i know because i researched carefully in making my decision. it helped that i had most of the illnesses as a child and nearly died on 3 occasions of things i can vaccinate for now. it was a great bet and safe. now because of you people the risks are returning. enjoy whooping cough, 30 second fits where you cant stop to breath.. then you puke. then a minute later you do it again. it wrecked my lungs completely. i am not stronger from the immunity, i have half lung function of a normal man my age. if i can stop my children going through that at a .003% risk of a reaction then i will. every time. to not do it is selfish in the extreme. all the things you believe about how nasty vaccines are are either misleading, over blown or outright false. FACT. you really think you are injecting bovine serum? aborted fetal cells? oh please. you know more than the complete medical knowledge of thousands and thousands of people that have made it their lifes work to save you and your children from these things and you demonize them? shame on you.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    FACT: Cell cultures and broths used in vaccine production may be contaminated.

    Those in scientific research have egos or programs to protect — and it doesn’t take a medical degree to spend 5 minutes looking at Walter Nelson-Rees’ work to see “science” isn’t as black and white as you’d like to sell everyone on.

  • Rezchix

    The main point I was looking to affirm, is that it is absolutely none of your business wether or not I vaccinate my child. You can think it all you want, but you have no say.
    I don’t know the details about the Andrew Wakefield saga, I made my decision to not vaccinate before that was ever put before the public. In my opinion, they discredited a whistle blower, who was actually trying to sound the alarms, they stripped him of his license and perpetrTed a smear campaign so people like you could go around sighting him as a hoax. Whatever, the little I know about Wakefield, I agree with what he’s said and he has been vindicated through legitimate study. No matter what you say, the evidence clears him.
    Let’s talk about the ingredient list of the various vaccines…

    Human diploid
    Msg
    ALUMINIUM
    anti freeze
    Monkey RNA
    Thimerasol
    Formaldehyde
    Live virus
    For the sake of time, we will go with this short list…
    I am told not to eat to much fish because the mercury content is high, I’m told not to inject to much while pregnant…while pregnant mind you, at least if I did eat fish, I have the process of digestion and the different acids and enzymes to break down and discard through natural bodily functions to rid myself of the toxic poison the pediatrician warns off…but the same community that wants to warn me to not eat to much fish because of the mercury content, is completely fine with me injecting myself now while pregnant…and now as soon as that baby comes into the world, start injecting it with this bastardized poison. You can’t make this make any sense. The fact that you keep coming back with that whiney tone defending this junk science already tells me that you and I are not on an equal playing field. You assert that it’s your business wether or not I vax my child, you think it is acceptable to usurp my authority and challenge me where my child is concerned. I have no problem putting you or anyone in their place especially where my child is concerned. I know I am right, I know my research has stood the test of time and statistics validate this for me everyday. This generation of children are poisoned and chemically lobotomized. My children depend on me to make proper decisions for their health, they do not rely on you to assert your lousy opinions and baseless conjecture.

  • Rezchix

    Bags,
    Calling me selfish or extreme is only another part of your bully tactic to instill shame and I site two sides of the camp. I am far from selfish, I am Informed.
    Do what you will, sorry you had so many problems, however, I hardly believe you have provided All of the details.
    But again, it’s not my problem, I’ll worry about my child, and you worry about yours.
    Herd immunity…I
    And I’m so sorry to burst your bubble…is a theory…just like evolution. Just a theory to divide …to push an agenda and distract the masses…but the simple of it, ITS A THEORY..there is no science to back it up.
    The logic you have regarding vaccines, are self entitled, whiny and bully. Even if they take away the exemption to reduce vaccination, I will never comply. I will go down with my ship and my children will not be a pawn in a winless game.
    I suppose I’m divergent….and damn proud of it!!!
    I love the Constitution of the United States of America…
    I love baby’s I love guns I love Jesus….in today’s standards…my government now calls me a right wing extremist. I love Liberty and I love my rights to choose this and that. I love my freedom of speech as it provides me the right to tell it to you just like I think it.

  • Rezchix

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/vaccinate.html
    Do not bother wasting any more of my time…unless you read this declassified National Archive list of governmental vaccine fraudulent ” for research” BS. Seriously, if you really believe what garbage that comes out of your mouth after reading this and refuse to answer me one question.
    WITH A GIVT WHO DOES THIS, HOW COULD OR EVEN WHY WOULD I give my children’s veins access to their well documented genocide. Don’t be a shill…read it, if you are an honest person, you will have an easy answer, otherwise, stop responding…I do have an answer for anything you could throw my way!

  • Rezchix

    The same government that wants unrestrained access to your children’s veins…I think not! I have no respect for people who are so ignorant to either further a wicked agenda, or are so ignorant that they push this toxic cocktail on the population.
    Your child…YOUR choice….
    Herd immunity=theory
    Not backed by science, sounds good in theory, but that’s all it is…
    The Greater Good
    Educate before you vaccinate
    Mary TACCO……she nails it, comprehensive broken down for people who have a difficult time understanding, she backs up everything she says.
    This link is from The National Archives it is declassified governmental experiments the same government who perpetrated these genocidal atrocities….same government who wants to serve your children poisonous cocktails…
    Constitutional rights to informed consent…
    Just take a 10 second glance at a vaccine ingredient list,if you have any, and I mean any common sense, even just a little common sense…you will conclude, thimerasol
    Formaldehyde
    Anti freeze
    Msg
    ALUMINIUM
    Human diploid
    Monkey RNA
    Bovine
    Live virus
    Dead virus
    Latex
    And the sick list goes on
    That this is poison, and it should not be injected into anything!
    http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/22/half-americans-dont-trust-government-doctors-vaccination/

  • bags

    May be Contaminated? You’ll say anything won’t you. Nothing is black and white. But it’s a lot better odds than the disease. That’s a fact no matter what you say..

  • bags

    after reading your 3 posts i want to set my eyes on fire. i have never read such claptrap in all my life. its not up to me to provide you with all the details but what you have just said over those 3 posts is what every anti vaxxer says and its all been so thoroughly debunked that there is literally no point in me doing it again as its all out there, you accuse me of junk science. i don’t think it means what you think it does as you keep referring to it to make your points. Herd Immunity is real. Evolution not real? there is evidence everywhere. You’re a creationist aren’t you. i bet you oppose evolution being taught in schools. go hide back under your rock you silly person.

  • Rezchix

    You bet your sorry ass I oppose evolution being taught in public schools with tax payer money! Evolution is a religion. I strongly object to a THEORY being laid out like a fact. You arg so incredibly ignorant, brainwashed and fortunately, with absolutely no authority in anyone’s life to exact what you feel would be good in the best interest of the public.
    Your conjecture is so baseless, you have no leg to stand on, yo couldn’t break down the good if vaccines if you tried, if I helped you and if you had a panel of experts to back you.
    Daily, the evidence mounts against your lies, propaganda and agenda.
    Your going to have to face it. Your side has gotten as far as it will get, the house if cards you built with lies are all fallen down.
    They’re are millions of me….there are millions with my mind set, this is a constitutional republic, if ever the day comes this government should impose draconian legislation that makes forced inoculations a reality, there will be an uprising like you’ve never even imagined.
    You run your mouth thinking you have the solution, you run your mouth like what you think or what you say has any weight whatsoever. If ever the day comes and our children are forced against our will, and parental rights, health freedoms and liberties, people like you will be in peril.
    If this thing called a vaccine filled with such wicked toxic poison is so damn good for us all, why would they FORCE it on the masses.
    Did you even bother to read the link I proved you with real declassified national archive admittance of what the federal government has done in this last century alone? Of course you didn’t, you are a false skeptic and you have no idea whatsoever how to take a document and think it over critically to weigh the atrocities that have been committed by the very people you believe are only good intentioned towards the population of the world. You are the sick one…and again, just a reminder, you have no truth whatsoever in this debate…your twangy whiny opinion is just that, and annoying to boot.
    You toyed like your stamping your feet in a tantrum because I won’t concede. Grow up, read, educate yourself and realize wether or not you like it, there isn’t a damn thing your going to change by stamping your whiny little feet.
    Next I’ll wait for you to tell me that there in no God, science is supreme and blah blah blah….you can not argue or condescend people and their faith. Your mindset is tyrannical. I don’t seek out people like you, but I never back down from people like you either, I only wish we lived closer, I’m sure you wouldn’t spew half this misinformed garbage out in front of my face!

  • bags

    oooo… touch a nerve there? how christian of you,. i’m not discussing science with someone that believes the world is 6000 years old. goodbye rezchick. i will neither reply or read anything you post from now on. i can’t take the stupid :(

  • Rezchix

    And so melodramatic too!!! Go ahead, set your eyes on fire. That’s a worthy statement coming from someone who wants meto buy your whiny opinions, what I write makes you want to burn your eyes….lol, what a whimp!!! Someone who would actually say, I want to burn my eyes out, has no substance in this debate. My 8 year old can better debate this topic than your adult self.
    And back to herd immunity, you keep whining that it’s real, but it’s not….it is a fairy tale, it is a theory and it is not backed by science, never been concluded and proven by repetitive tests. Theory, even scientists validate that, but you…no, you’d rather just further your lie and stamp your feet sayng it’s true….just because you say it is. Theory, herd immunity, nice try, but no go…herd immunity is a BS lie.
    I suggest you brush up on your skills, you are what the pro vax debate used to be, like 5 years ago, you are not equipped to even tread here, you are out of your league and have brought nothing new to this table.
    I encourage you however, Please, please please, go get your vaccinations and please take your child with you…you want to put so much FAITH into the science of strangers, strangers who benefit financially or by people who just think there is a place for eugenics and include you useless eaters I. Their plan, you so deserve that vax, even a double portion, tell you what, you can have my share and my children’s share of those life saving vaccines, I’ll sacrifice myself for your greater good. I want yo to get you vac, all of em. Let us know how it all works out for ya!

  • Rezchix

    Lmao…looks like I’m actually the one who hit a nerve….
    Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out:)
    Dumb assery!
    You are why eugenics are heeled necessary by the same people who employ it. There a hypothesis for you to ponder.
    Ps. Don’t ever forget, you have no authority whatsoever as to wether or not I vax my kid. Health freedom….ponder that bag!

  • Rezchix

    Bags…oh bags, you’ve drank to much fluoride! You’ve had to many vaccines, you’ve eaten to many GMOs…you poor effing troll!
    I clicked on you name bags, and I got to see every comment you’ve ever made. For someone who has no God, you sure are the dumbest devils advocate I have ever seen, your about equal to Jim bib slash Ray Sarah.
    You really are the complete embodiment of a troll…and an A$$ hole!
    After viewing your mindless opinion, sarcasm and down right lies, I feel so used to have indulged your narcissism and ignorance. Don’t think you or your words hold any weight, they don’t.
    You are insane, melodramatic and condescending. F/5k off!

  • Rezchix

    No, I suppose you can’t be bothered, because your a paid liar. I’ve gone through every single dumb assery dim witted comment you’ve made in the last 25 days. You are pharma funded, you are pushing an agenda and you know it!
    You are a parasite, your very life means nothing, how foes one contend with the world each and every day and do what you do. And at best, you suck at it. You suck balls at it!
    Recap of the bullshit you tout,
    Fluoride is good for you….
    Vaccines are great for you
    Vaccines shouldn’t be a choice
    Vaccines don’t contain mercury
    Vaccines are the miracle of modern medicine
    Round up is ok to be poisoned with
    Genetically modified organism is fine and not proven it caused cancer
    Hemp oil is just quirky lunacy
    Fukishima is no big deal and the reports if nuclear contamination are all lies…
    The reason cancer is so high us only because we live longer…
    Vit c is if no value….
    You are completely exposed, your worth isn’t even a grain if salt, which you just happened to say was worth no health benefit.
    You believe in eugenics, you support it, you truly are insane, you are such an asshole….it is me that will no longer respond to you….I’m just going to expose you in every forum you enter. You are exposed.
    True sign of a troll is when you go from forum to forum condescending every evidence if truth to further an agenda. You know the crisp your spewing us every bit a wicked lie.
    Why in the hell do you go looking into forums you don’t believe in. You go around antagonistic silly just to stir the pot, and you have brought not one shred if any truth to any forum you entered. I like how you suck up and drivel iver people who have your same agenda. Truth probably is, your the same oerson on both accounts, trying to not look like a Lone Ranger.
    Have a meaningless day while you troll…I’ll be responding to everything you post in every single forum you post it in…some people are so nieve they can’t fathom there really are the trolls like you in the world.
    Everything you’ve said everywhere you’ve said it is a lie.
    What a pathetic existence….I feel sorry for you, you are pitiful and transparent.

  • bags

    lol have fun with that. cya :)

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Like injecting millions of people with a contaminated vaccine containing a cancer causing virus?

    And regarding contamination – it’s not like the data doesn’t exist, but it is conveniently ignored or dismissed instead of questioning the “Religion of Big Pharma”, isn’t it?

    Egyed L. Bovine herpesvirus type 4: a special herpesvirus (review article). Acta Vet Hung 2000;48(4):501-13. PMID 11402667.

    Egyed L. Replication of bovine herpesvirus type 4 in human cells in vitro. J Clin Microbiol 1998 Jul;36(7):2109-11. PMID 9650976.

    Erickson GA, Bolin SR, Landgraf JG. Viral contamination of fetal bovine serum used for tissue culture: risks and concerns. Dev Biol Stand 1991;75:173-5. PMID 1665460.

    Fong CK, Gross PA, Hsiung GD, Swack NS. Use of electron microscopy for detection of viral and other microbial contaminants in bovine sera. J Clin Microbiol 1975 Feb;1(2):219-24. PMID 51855.

    Kniazeff AJ, Wopschall LJ, Hopps HE, Morris CS. Detection of bovine viruses in fetal bovine serum used in cell culture. In Vitro 1975 Nov-Dec;11(6):400-3. PMID 172434.

    Michalski FJ, Dietz A, Hsiung GD. Growth characteristics of bovine herpesvirus 1 (infectious bovine rhinotracheitis) in human diploid cell strain WI-38. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 1976 Feb;151(2):407-10. PMID 175382.

    Schuurman R, van Steenis B, Sol C. Bovine polyomavirus, a frequent contaminant of calf serum. Biologicals 1991 Oct;19(4):265-70. PMID 1665699.

  • bags

    Nice list. From the 70s 80s and 90’s . anything in within the last decade?

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    And there you go…

  • bags

    Sorry did you prove something?

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    You didn’t read them.

  • bags

    sorry for the delay but i have been in hospital.. as much as you probably hope it was for me i was visiting!

    i read them. i discovered through reading some more things… that its not really that relevant any more due to improved screening and analysis of the material

    from wikipedia, although this was in several places

    The second stage of processing involves filtration, typically using a filtration chain with the final filtration being triple sterile 0.1 micrometre membrane filters. When processed by a reputable commercial serum supplier, the sterilized fetal bovine serum is subjected to stringent quality control testing and is supplied with a detailed Certificate of Analysis. The certificate gives full test results and information concerning the origin of the serum. Certificates of Analysis vary between commercial suppliers, but each usually includes the following details: filtration statement, country of origin, cell growth performance testing, microbial sterility testing, screening for mycoplasma and virus, endotoxin, haemoglobin, IgG and total protein assays.

    it was different before the BSE outbreak in the UK, We don’t use any british serum at all because of that.

    currently other substances are being tested but so far nothing has compared to how well the serum works. it may be distasteful but its tested thoroughly and safe.

    i did notice the word reputable supplier.. i guess you could argue that pharma as you call it, goes for the cheapest and doesn’t care about how clean the serum is, and it would be a good argument if it wasn’t for the fact that its all removed and only a trace is left. that means too small to measure. which means nothing. probably about as effective as homeopathy!

    they also vaccinate the cattle against these diseases now.

    On a personal note i find the use of this substance distasteful. i think it needs replacing and i’m glad they are looking for a replacement now. would it stop me giving this to my kids? No. Not a chance. the risk is just not there from this one. its horrible yes but it works in the job it is for.

  • bags

    Ahhh Christians. Jesus would be proud of you i’m sure :)

  • sabelmouse

    who mentioned christians?

  • bags

    rezchick did… below

    I love the Constitution of the United States of America…
    I love baby’s I love guns I love Jesus…

    not sure if guns and jesus are really compatible to be honest.

  • Rezchix

    I love it! If you read a bible, you wouldn’t be so ignorant!
    I’m flattered you came back to address me….sort of thought yo washed your hands of me.

  • bags

    Well you didn’t stalk my posts like you promised. i missed you ;)

    What makes you think i haven’t read the Bible? i am British. Here we have something called Sunday school. kids go while their parents are in church. My parents were very religious. I was sent every Sunday until i was 17 and have read the bible forwards and backwards. The King James version anyway, i found it to be full of contradictions, cruelty, Murder, sacrifice, suppression of Womens rights, misinterpretation of nature and pure fantasy. It belongs in the fiction section. Creation is a myth, If a scientist can not tell how things started i’m not sure how the authors of the Bible were supposed to have a clue! its not like god wrote it and sent it down on an angels back is it. Did you never think it was strange that the message changes so much from Old to New testament? Old is a vengeful destructive god. New is a benevolent prophet, they really don’t fit together. Also i must have missed the part where Jesus shot all the dinosaurs with an AK47.

    however this is a little off topic lol. I’m more than willing to debate it with you somewhere more fitting?

  • sabelmouse

    ok.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Mind you this is only one ingredient used in the manufacturing process. You should take the time to look into it a bit more.

    Vaccines are a billion-dollar industry. They have learned their lessons from the past to make too much information public – this is why you should study the past – look what Walter Nelson-Rees had to go through, as an example.

  • bags

    I already studied all the current ingredients and doses and effects those amounts have or don’t have. I don’t know Walter Nelson Rees so will go and check tomorrow. All the ingredients are safe at the doses given. It all performs a necessary part of the task and it all seems to check out. Nothing there that will hurt me unless I happen to be allergic. The science is pretty clear really… More clear than most. But it’s being muddied and people are dying because of it. More and more will die as this spreads. In 50 years if you look back at this and you see all the disease that returns and children are dying again you may regret this site :-(

  • Sam Wise

    Evidence us daily mounting NOT in your favor pro vax people.
    Even if it was the head if the Dept if Health saying to you, YOU ARE WRONG…you would still argue that vaccines are okay.
    Engaging your arrogance anymore would be nothing but futility…don’t bother replying, just read this fir yourself and ponder.
    At the end of the day, it matters nothing what opinions you spout. I would still never vaccinate my child no matter what, in studies necessary, I’ve seen enough already. I’ve seen child in all sorts of messes because of vaccines.
    I have listened to more Ancedotals than you can fathom…I can read an ingredient list and research the EPA warnings for kniwn neurotoxic poison, which are contained in a vax.
    Spare your time, so are your feelings, educate yourselves, live and let live!

    Smoking gun…save this to your mail box

    http://www.fhfn.org/new-medical-studies-implicating-vaccines-as-major-cause-in-autism-rise/

  • Fenton bevan

    YES! EXACTLY! I can completely imagine the sustained effort it took to write this. the furious typing and correcting every third word as the pace matches the growing rage.
    Don’t stop doing it.
    Bags is clearly a trolling twat.
    spreading vile toxic filth wherever he thinks it will do the most harm.
    I’m seeing sociopaths and psychopaths everywhere nowadays.
    Spending time manipulating and hurting others for nothing but kicks.
    I would even go as far as saying he probably avoids vaccines himself but would quite happily vaccinate his own children.
    His worth to human life is in the negative.
    To have had this once in a billion chance to be alive and witness the beauty all around you, and you choose to spend it damaging, hurting and purposely ruining every living energy that has the mispleasure of comming in to contact with you.
    How truly truly sad an existence that is.

  • Fenton bevan

    Hay. There is an ad for typhoid vaccines half way down the article. I assume that’s an accident or something.