Studies Prove Without Doubt That Unvaccinated Children Are Far Healthier Than Their Vaccinated Peers

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A study from the 1990s has come to light, proving that compared to unvaccinated children, vaccinated children were more likely to suffer from asthma, eczema, ear infections, hyperactivity and many other chronic conditions. Furthermore, the study identified that there was a ten-fold increase in the incidence of tonsillitis in the children who were vaccinated, and a total lack tonsillectomy operations among the children who were unvaccinated.

In 1992, the Immunization Awareness Society (IAS) conducted a survey to examine the health of New Zealand’s children. Unsurprisingly, the results of their study indicated that unvaccinated children were far healthier than vaccinated children.

Questionnaires were given out to IAS members, their friends and their associates asking various health questions. A total of 245 families returned their questionnaires, giving the researchers a total of 495 children surveyed. Of these children, 226 were vaccinated and 269 were unvaccinated.

Healthy Children and Ethics

The ages of the children ranged between the ages of two weeks – 46 years (obviously some friends were older with older children). Of the children studied, 273 were males and 216 were females. (Six children were unclassified.)

Sue Claridge, who reported on the study, wrote:

“Respondents were asked to provide the year of birth, gender, vaccinations received, whether or not the child suffered from a range of chronic conditions (asthma, eczema, ear infections/glue ear, recurring tonsillitis, hyperactivity, diabetes or epilepsy) whether or not he or she needed grommets, had had a tonsillectomy, or were shown to develop motor skills (walking, crawling, sitting-up etc.). Parents also provided information on breastfeeding and bottle feeding and when a child was weaned if breastfed.”

During the study, another interesting fact emerged. Researchers discovered that 92 percent of the children requiring a tonsillectomy operation had received the measles vaccination, indicating that the vaccination for measles may have made some of the children more susceptible to tonsillitis.

The study also revealed that 81 of the families had both vaccinated and unvaccinated children. Many of these families had vaccinated their older children but had grown more reluctant to vaccinate their younger children, due to their growing concerns regarding vaccine safety.

Researchers concluded that:

“While this was a very limited study, particularly in terms of the numbers of unvaccinated children that were involved and the range of chronic conditions investigated, it provides solid scientific evidence in support of considerable anecdotal evidence that unvaccinated children are healthier that their vaccinated peers.” [1]

Although governments from around the world have continually stated that studying vaccinated versus unvaccinated children would be unethical, the New Zealand researchers are not the only group of researchers to study comparisons.

Vaccinated Children 5 Times More Likely To Suffer From A Range Of Diseases

In September 2011, German researchers carrying out a longitudinal study surveyed a total of 8000 unvaccinated children from the ages of 0 –19. As with the New Zealand study, researchers collected their data by conducting a survey using questionnaires. [2]

Results showed that vaccinated children were up to five times more likely to suffer from a variety of diseases and disorders than unvaccinated children.

Their results were compared to another German study (KiGGS), which examined a larger sample group consisting of 17,461 participants between the ages of 0 –17.

Dr. Andreas Bachmair, a German classical homeopathic practitioner, responsible for collecting the results of the survey from the website vaccineinjury.info stated that:

“Asthma, hay fever and neurodermatitis are seen very frequently today. A recent German study with 17461 children between 0-17 years of age (KIGGS) showed that 4.7% of these children suffer from asthma, 10.7% of these children from hay fever and 13.2% from neurodermatitis. These numbers differ in western countries, i.e. the prevalence of asthma among children in the US is 6% whereas it is 14-16% in Australia (Australia’s Health 2004, AIHW).

The prevalence of asthma among unvaccinated children in our study is around 2.5%, hay fever, 3%, and neurodermatitis, 7%. According to the KIGGS study more than 40% of children between the ages of 3 and 17 years were sensitized against at least one allergen tested (20 common allergens were tested) and 22.9% had an allergic disease. Although we did not perform a blood test, around 10% stated that their children had an allergy.” [3]

(As this study is a longitudinal study, the number of children being studied has since risen to 13,222. To join the study, you can fill in the questionnaire provided by clicking on the link listed as the third reference at the end of this article.)

Although there were four cases of autism reported among unvaccinated children, Dr. Bachair reported that:

“Of these 4 children one tested very high for metals (mercury, aluminium, arsenic); in another case the mother was tested very high for mercury.”

However, this number pales into insignificance when we compare it to the 1 in 88 children currently being reported as autistic by the CDC. [4]

Other Conditions Found To Be Almost Non-Existent In Unvaccinated Children

Dr. Andreas Bachmair continued his report by stating that their study found the prevalence of sinusitis, warts, skin problems and middle ear infections were also much lower in the unvaccinated children, as were the cases of diabetes and epilepsy.

He went on to say that the results demonstrated that the prevalence of many conditions in the unvaccinated children were also significantly lower. These were:

Other disorders and diseases

As we included open questions in our survey we evaluated the prevalence (of the first 10,070 participants) of some other disorders and illnesses. Unvaccinated children show very low prevalences of the following disorders:

  • Dyslexia: 0.21%
  • Speech delay/articulation problems: 0.38%
  • Sensory Processing disorder: 0.28%
  • Anxiety: 0.25%
  • Depression: 0.12%
  • Bedwetting: 0.12%
  • Celiac disease: 0.12%
  • Gluten sensitivity: 0.41%
  • GERD (Gastroesophageal reflux disease): 0.06%

Dr. Bachair concluded his amazing and intuitive paper by adding a number of statements from parents, which I believe really added weight to her overall findings.

Conclusion

I find it amazing that despite mainstream media and leading government agencies stressing repeatedly that studies comparing vaccinated children to unvaccinated children cannot take place for ethical reasons, groups around the world are taking it upon themselves to do these studies anyway.

While surveys of this kind are often dismissed as being purely epidemiological and passed off as little more than stamp collecting, I believe that studies of this nature should not be dismissed out of hand. After all, many stamp collections contain just one stamp that is worth far more than its weight in gold.

These studies show without doubt that unvaccinated children are healthier than their vaccinated peers and, for this reason, these studies should be given careful consideration by all parents and professionals studying vaccination safety.

 

 

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  • Jayne

    Yeah….but what about all the diseases that the kids aren’t getting because they were vaccinated? Polio, measeles, smallpox, rubella, hepatitis, etc? I’d rather my child have a tonsillectomy operation than get polio.

  • Francois Arseneau

    Vaccines will not prevent those diseases, on the contrary. The vaccinated are so immune compromised that they carry and develop the diseases, and also pass it on to others. Such has been shown by all the latest ‘outbreak’ the media is using to push vaccination. Sanitation, food and social conditions are the main factors behind the decline of diseases, not vaccines. This info is available through this site and many others like Mercola.com.

  • hommedespoir

    Jayne… if you will insist on getting your HEALTH advice from a GP who was trained with $$$ contribs from BigPharma finance, why would you be surprised you will only be sold expensive prescriptions and injected with foul diseases from allegedly-killed (but not-always-dead) viruses?
    Have you ever read the small print on a vax-pac?
    FGS … even GSK and Merck warn you that one of the side-effects of their vax is death of the patient.
    Any wonder your doc is quick to throw you out before you find out BigPharma vaxed your kid to death?
    READ THE LABEL ….even if I tried, I couldn’t invent fiction as ghastly as their own printed fax

  • AQ

    Where are these “longitudinal studies”? Are they peer-reviewed? Show me the actual science.

  • AQ

    Please show me your proof that vaccines lead to more disease, not less. I wish to see the peer-reviewed studies that back up your claims.

  • Dan

    Look up the many studies on shedding

  • Ava Tara

    This is a very limited study unfortunately. Looking forward to seeing something larger conducted.

  • isis

    I rather my kids get a virus, fight it naturally and gain their immunity that way, than having brain disorders or anything similar, have you research vaccines ingredients? please educate yourself!

  • nanette

    My eldest daughter is 10 years old and only received her first set of vaccinations and I never gave her any other ones. Her colds are mild and never even has the sniffles. She was breastfed for 22 mths. However, my youngest daughter was NEVER vaccinated and breastfed for 34 months yet has coughing asthma from from Sept. to April . The doctor said it was allergies. We found out she is lactose intolerant too. It is a bit of paradox, but I still feel her “allergies” aren’t as bad as other children who have been fully vaccinated.

  • isis

    Milk is another way to poison us slowly, get the facts notmilk.com I was shocked! Best wishes =)

  • Vito Alexander Pavlovic

    Dan, they have a difficult time with that, so they ignore the studies on shedding.

  • AQ=pharma-polesmoker

    Please show me proof that you don’t smoke pharma-pole. And it better be peer reviewed. LOL!!! I love you trolls with your scientific evidence.

  • Allison Smith-Estelle

    The 1992 New Zealand sample is tiny and it is very difficult make conclusive interpretations with a sample size that small. Furthermore, the sample was not randomly selected. Rather, it was biased, as it was given to “IAS members, their friends and their associates.” Furthermore, the analysis only included self-reports from survey respondents, which is methodically inferior to getting medical examinations or reviewing medical records. Finally, I cannot find any evidence that the results were peer reviewed, which is standard practice for medical research.

    The 2011 German study was also made up of self reports of a biased, self-selecting group that chose to take the survey through http://www.vaccineinjury.info. Again, I cannot find any evidence that the result were peer reviewed, which calls the results into question.

    If there is evidence of peer review of these findings, I would appreciate someone forwarding it. Otherwise, these studies do not “prove without doubt” ANYTHING.

    You can believe whatever you want about vaccinating your kids, but you shouldn’t believe websites like this claiming they are proving something without a doubt. Garbage.

  • AQsux

    Fuck science! It’s for closed minded idiots who can only believe what they are told or what some other closed minded idiot wrote about. Man I love you trolls. AQ, will you be my belated Valentine?

  • AQass

    Yeah, give us scientific evidence that you aren’t retarded AQ. And it bettah be peer reviewed. LOL

  • isis

    It’s so freaking sad that people will NOT question vaccines, let alone research their ingredients and effects!!! I have 2 non vaccinated angels, and I don’t need results from a study to realize the truth, if I compare them to other kids in my community, I can tell they’ve reached milestones at a very early age..

  • CJ

    if you want to know the real story read VACCINE A :the covert government experiment that’s killing our Soldiers and Why GI’s are only the first Victims by Gary Matsumoto. This explains the connection with DOD and NCI and Big Pharma and NIH. OUR MILITARY AS WELL AS THE AUSTRALIANS AND THE BRITISH are being used as NCI and Big Pharma guinea pigs ….now we are their victims.

  • CJ

    read Vaccine A by Gary Matsumoto which is very well documented. At the same time read a very well researched and documented book by Neil Z Miller-VACCINE SAFETY MANUAL for Concerned Families and Health Practitioners. Then make your own decisions! You will find that the polio vaccine given to my generation in the ’50′s and 60′s were contaminated with cancer causing viruses. This has been verified by CDC recently when they admitted that 98 million were given contaminated polio vaccine during this time period …so look around and wonder now why so many of us have died or are dying of cancer at such a young age.
    These viruses from the polio vaccines are being passed from mother to offspring.

  • Shelly Ann

    Watch the trolls, they come out in droves over information like this. Take a look at how they operate!
    http://personalliberty.com/2014/02/26/new-nsa-docs-confirm-long-held-blogger-fears-there-are-government-trolls-among-us/

  • AntiAQ

    AQ show me the actual science that you don’t get your fudge packed by pharmas’ pole. And if you give me something not peer reviewed or is from Wikipedia I’m throwing it out.

  • isis

    LOL

  • isis

    Amen to that!

  • LabelGMOs108

    Yes, it would be nice if the vaccine industry would allow peer-reviewed comparisons between vaccinated and unvaccinated people, but they refuse, citing “ethical” reasons. What a joke. The whole industry has zero ethics.

  • GTFOH

    A 22-year-old study that was limited to a small group and also not peer-reviewed proves NOTHING. I’m still waiting on current and new research that proves why vaccines are unsafe. I’m not anti-vaccine; I’m not pro-vaccine. I just want conclusive facts that are recent.

    And for those who feel to question my comment with insults, please go ahead and do so and add to the label that those who don’t vaccinate are batshit crazy and retarded.

  • LabelGMOs108

    Jayne, read and learn.

    Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children
    http://www.realfarmacy.com/vaccinated-children-have-up-to-500-more-disease-than-unvaccinated-children/

    Worst whooping cough outbreak in over 50 years happening among the fully vaccinated
    http://www.naturalnews.com/036560_whooping_cough_outbreak_vaccinations.html

    Big Surprise – Whooping Cough Spreads Mainly through Vaccinated Populations
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/04/17/pertussis-vaccine-for-whooping-cough-effects.aspx?e_cid=20120417_DNL_art_2

    Unvaccinated people a public health threat? Nope, people who take antibiotics are the real danger
    http://www.naturalnews.com/035163_public_health_unvaccinated_antibiotics.html

  • jo

    For those who think Vaccines are safe, watch this. CDC has been caught hiding data showing Mercury in Vaccines linked to Autism…

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/video-highlights-from-first-congressional-hearing-on-autism-in-10-years/

    If this does not wake people up what will??

  • Jim Mann

    The logic involved in the testing is just insane! They test the safety of new vaccines testing them against the existing vaccine….. Wouldn’t you think that they would do a double blind against sterile water? The cancer treatment effectiveness is deeply flawed also, if a patient goes into remission after chemo, lives 5 years but dies after his/her brain turns to mush and that’s counted as a positive win for the statistic board.. Just crazy

  • YaYa

    Did you REALLY just quote naturalnews, mercola and ‘realfarmacy’ as sources? Omg, the people posting on this thread are scary. It is what is wrong with the world today. Pockets of these type of beliefs are becoming too accepted. PLEASE people, read something REAL. Actual studies, peer reviewed, from scientists and researchers, not quacks out to make a buck or a name for themselves by absolutely HOODWINKING susceptible and ignorant people who are desperate to believe in conspiracy theories. This is just so sad.

  • PharmaKarma

    Asking big pharma to run honest testing that shows this info, would be like asking the Nazis to provide peer reviewed evidence to show that Jewish people are infact humans and deserve to live. When corrupt people run the testing game, you cannot win. The thing is rigged. The editor of the British Medical Journal recently admitted 75% of medical trials on all drugs across the board, showed drugs to be ineffective and very harmful. These trials are hidden from the public and not shown. Go figure.

  • adilbookz

    My doctor tried to intimidate me by saying he believed in “science”. But of course, there’s no science – in the medical field, at any rate – that is not compromised by personal, political and economic considerations. I felt like saying, “Oh yes, like the ‘science’ that brought us Vioxx?”

  • Manzer Belanger

    FDA, CDC, Etc do NOT WANT an studies done. They will lose face when they are proven wrong. That is why there are no real studies done with unvaccinated children receiving plain water and the vaccinated group with their poisons. They say it’s against ethics. That is how they are hiding out and NOT making real studies. If I made such a study, then I would be crucified because I am not a Doctor or a scientist and not trained to do so. But those that do it faithfully are called quacks – Naturalnews, Dr. Mercola and etc.
    Wake up America – you are being poisoned by your own government through the FDA, CDC and etc. Next, Autism will be 1 in 25, then 1 in 10, and finally 1 to 1 whereby everybody will be done for…….

  • ccdaddy

    Who needs, peer reviewed studies, we have the recent California data, It’s data, that’s showing that the more vaccinated the children were.The more at risk they were, for getting the very disease, that they were vaccinated with, to prevent. Now that’s, real intelligence.

    That my friend, is a prime example, for fools gold.

    The recent, whooping cough outbreaks, were evaluated. And their findings,they were astounding, to say the least. They found that 87%, were fully vaccinated, that got the whooping cough. 11%,were partially vaccinated. Here’s the kicker, only 8%!!! were non vaccinated the got the whooping cough

    It appears, that the more vaccines a child has had, the more their immune system suffers.

    Again, the perfect prime example, of fools Gold!

    Un freaking, believable! A Nation, that totally hell bent on committing, intellectual suicide. And ultimately destroying, their own Nations most precious resource. All, in the name of Pride, Arrogance, and Greed.

    Welcome to Pharmaceutica.

  • carolyn

    I am anti-vaccines and do think the risks outweigh the benefits for people with a healthy lifestyle and good standard of living, but I would like to see actual data, not stats from a small convenient sample. Unfortunately, finding generalizable data takes resources that are being consumed by the vaccine business.

  • ccdaddy

    I agree,and it just gets worse. I am going to post, some information, about the foolish act of cocooning new baby’s

    The latest findings on cocooning is, that it is working in reverse.

  • Khope47

    I haven’t seen a single person insult you, but your labeling that those who don’t vaccinate are “batshit crazy and retarded” is completely out of line.

  • ccdaddy

    This is a JOKE,the newest findings is. That the Vaccines themselves, are failing. (miserably) And they are now causing, all of these so called outbreaks. Here,and
    world wide.

    The Idiots,(CDC & AAP) told new parents that they needed to cocoon their new children. What that was,was any family member that was going to be around
    the newborn. Needed, to be freshly vaccinated!

    So they tried, their vaccinate or else. Scare tactics. They told the new parents,

    “you don’t want a loved one, responsible for infecting your newborn. Do you ?

    “You know,that could lead to possibly killing your child” Don’t you?

    Just recently,they reluctantly said. That, cocooning was not working quite as planed. In fact,they learned that it was not working. At all !. As. they planned.

    In plain, ordinary language. Their findings were, that those loved ones maybe endangering the newborn. It appears, that all those freshly vaccinated relatives. Were shedding the very viruses, that they were vaccinated with to protect the child. Get this, for 5 whole weeks, they were putting in harms way, the very child they were intending to protect??????

    And you people wonder, why we don’t want our loved ones, injected by these apparent Idiots. Injecting, heavy metals and toxins, in babies, that you cannot! legally flush, into the sewer. But it can be injected, it into this Nations most precious resource. Within hours, of the first breath of life. Insane! does not even come close, to this absolute stupidity.

    knowing all that,it’s really is hard, to understand how these people ever !!!!! got out of medical school. Lets face it folks,understanding that children should not be anywhere nears these toxins. Let alone,injecting them, with them. That’s! not rocket science. It’s, just plain old common sense. And, logic. Is this an example, of your “evidence based medicine” CDC, AAP?????

  • ccdaddy

    I would rather, have a GP that listens to parents. Than an AAP educated Idiot, that
    cannot understand,that mercury and other toxins are not supposed to be injected into humans.

  • ccdaddy

    So, you like the fact,that the CDC contacts a researcher from Denmark. Tells him, while handing him an 11 million dollar contract.CDC “we are only interested, in what will exonerate the CDC,and vaccines” The Hand picked, by
    the CDC Denmark researcher. Has been indicted, on 22 counts of fraud. You picked, a real winning team! Corrupt,
    to the freaking core.

  • ccdaddy

    Sheeple,everyone!

  • ccdaddy

    isis, Jayne maybe a shill.

  • hommedespoir

    Proof?
    http://killavax.opexnews.com
    hosts more than enough peer reviews to get keep your biasses in a state of inanimate shock. Don’t worry. A single vax shot could kill you long before discovering the Terrible Vax Truth did any harm whatever

  • hommedespoir

    Don’t expect anybody to forward you anything…. do your own research, but DO investigate the nays as well as the yeas… plenty of suggestions in these posts. We know which website is specially brilliant…. I selected half the posts *grin*
    http://killavax.opexnews.com
    here’s the latest information from objective investigative articles.
    Zero Garbage.
    Okay? :-)

  • chrisalien

    “Peer reviewed”. Oh come off it. The vaccine companies pay for the research and if they dont like it, the “research” disappears and only the “good” research gets published and “peer reviewed”.

    Just google this “peer reviewed medical papers showed to be fraudulent” and just look at what comes up!
    …then check this out.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-vaccine-coverup-30-years-of-secret-official-transcripts-show-uk-government-experts-cover-up-vaccine-hazards-to-sell-more-vaccines-and-harm-your-kids/5354241
    Medical science is showing itself for what it is….corrupt and concerned with only profit and not public health.

  • none of your biz

    Wow… come out with guns a blazing. I don’t care if you vaccinate yourself and your family .That is your choice and YOUR right but it would be sad if you did not learn from the past and present. Jenner himself on his death bed told everyone I had it all wrong. If the father or modern vaccines gave a warning and no one listened to him why would I expect you to care about past data. You want new data well let me tell you about my kids. 2 older children 20 and 18 fully vaccinated. with the THEN smaller vaccine schedule and we lived at the drs. Ear infections, strep throat, OCD, anxiety you name it and they still suffer. Fast forward to 4 years ago I get pregnant to a son. I did my research and refused all vaccines he is now 3 and has NEVER been to the dr for being sick. No ear infections, no allergies progressing normally and I can not help but see the differences. So there is for your more recent study. Yes it is only 3 kids but they are my kids and I lived it.

  • Lilie Mnuk

    I trust the ones that were not medically examined more because the medical profession has an interest in skewing the numbers in their favor (conflict of interest). So I believe you are gravely wrong there. Self-reports trump (people don’t have a self-interest to lie, especially if they have both in their household like me. My older son has a huge medical file, my other 2 have no medical file except weight and measure.)

    The evidence you are looking for is out there, in the lack of proof that A. Vaccines work as intended, and B. That they are safe.
    The burden of proof is on the vaccine industry, not the NONVAX crowd. We can all prove it with our kids and its all the proof we need. You try it yourself, vaccinate your first child and don’t vaccinate your second. The proof is in the pudding my friend. Find me a study that proves vaccines work and that they are safe. I want causal relationship, not correlation. I’ll hold you to the same standard!!! FACTS!!!

  • Lou

    “These studies show without doubt that unvaccinated children are healthier than their vaccinated peers..”

    Well we have a choice, we can look at the evidence and STOP “vaccinating” or we can listen to AUTHORITY and continue to inject toxins into our children.

    “Look, if you think any American official is going to tell you the truth, then you’re stupid.” The Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs , Note I finally found the PERFECT vaccination quote!!!

  • Lilie Mnuk

    Try raw milk. I will never give my children pasteurized homogenized milk. It is poison!!! Check your state laws and go to realmilk.com If you are near guernsey cows, I am so jealous. I just moved south and can’t find them anywhere and I miss my raw guernsey milk more than anything!!! IThe Jersey cows I’m getting it from is just not as good or beneficial it seems to me, but I don’t have an alternative right now so it’ll have to do.

  • Lilie Mnuk

    Marin County – Lowest Vaccination rate among children, and healthiest county of kids in the US!!!! Look it up!!! The proof is right there!!! Where are you getting your science from????? I read the actual studies… why did participants die during the study??????? And where is the saline placebo???

  • FACTS

    Thanks. .. the fact that these studies have been hidden from the public is all the proof anyone should ever need. .. innocent and honest people do NOT hide information. .. the amount of information that has been suppressed is damning proof that big pharmaceutical companies and their lackeys are wickedly corrupt. .. the CDC flat out refuses to study vacc. Vs. Nonvacc. Kids… now why would that be??

  • Heather James

    Better yet, go to realmilk.com and get real facts. The stuff they sell in the supermarket is bad for you, but real milk is not.

  • Drake

    We will never get straight answers there is to much money involved. Even when a program shows that Pharma does stuff like submitting to the FDA 36/37 positive to 3/36 negative studies and then bury the rest. You should always ask questions and educate yourself and make the best decision for you and yours.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    It’s simply inaccurate to generalize. Not everyone reacts to milk the same. Especially raw milk versus processed. There have been several traditional cultures that thrived on a high dairy diet (they used raw milk of course as this was before modern times). For those interested in the other side of the story, here is a link: http://www.realmilk.com/

  • Lou

    Here is some recent data.

    25 Feb 2012

    H1N1 “vaccine” a disaster for Fetuses. Fetal death 100 times greater in H1N1 “vaccinated” “Based on the aforementioned outcomes showing an increased risk of miscarriage and stillbirth in the pregnant women who received this vaccine and the clear lack of “confirmed” A-2009-H1N1-caused maternal deaths, it appears that the 2009-A-H1N1 flu shot vaccination was “clearly needed” in the 2009-2010 flu season solely if the intention of the United States government and its pharmaceutical partners was to test the new clinically untested vaccine on an unsuspecting pregnant population. Another possible reality is the unthinkable — “population-control experimentation.” H1N1 vaccine a disaster for Fetuses. Fetal death 100 times greater in vaccinated

    Clearly folks the “H1N1 Vaccine” is not a vaccine as we think of vaccines. IMO it is clearly a TOOL. Please read this well constructed study.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vaccine.htm

  • Evan Eberhardt

    It truly is rigged. Top to bottom. All the ‘peer-reviewed’ labeling means little because they are all in cahoots to begin with or they simply refuse to think outside their paradigm and give the go-ahead to research without even reading it (sometimes studies are quite lengthy to read through and I know peers gloss through them, especially if the findings support currently held beliefs). I forget the percentage, but something absurd like 50% or 75% of all science articles that were peer reviewed were shown to have all sorts of problems when reexamined by independent researchers (poor methodology, errors, biases, incorrect statistical calculations, etc.). Rupert Sheldrake discusses this problem in his book “The Science Delusion”.

  • Lou

    “PLEASE people, read something REAL. Actual studies, peer reviewed,”

    Yes doc proffit and his IOM buddies will feed you all the peer reviewed bs your little brain can handle. Next they take their millions of bribes from Big Vaccine INC and visit their Swiss Bankers.

  • nmcard

    How about “the cutter incident”? Where 40,000 plus americans were given polio when getting the polio vaccine (hence the huge polio scare)? And how about “SV40 contamination (cancer virus)” given to millions and millions through vaccinations implicated in all kinds of soft tissue cancers?
    The whole anti-vax movement needs to unify especially on matters of cell line contamination in the very birth of virology and focus on things like the proliferation of HeLa cancer cells throughout the world; SV40 (and other similiar animal viruses) that are giving humans cancer through vaccinations; and on cell line contamination which virology and cancer research is based upon. The more we can unify our research the stronger our legal case shall become.
    vaccinecancerconnection.wordpress.com

  • Evan Eberhardt

    This is a common attempt to discredit alternative voices. The funny thing is big pharma companies are found guilty of all sorts of CRIMES every year but they just get a fine and business goes on as usual. Yet THEY are the ones we should trust? How did folks get so gullible? Mercola runs a health website and writes articles challenging many commonly held beliefs (all done right out in the open) but apparently that is something to be ridiculed. More like applauded, as he gets sued often by big pharma but he fights back and doesn’t give into their bully tactics (he spends a fortune every year in legal fees). Maybe try reading a couple of his articles before you dismiss him as a quack. You might actually learn something besides what Western medicine has indoctrinated into your brain.

  • nmcard

    Its only common sense. So, then we are forced to ask the question; what greater agenda is at hand? Ive never been one to believe this, but after studying vaccines and molecular biology in depth – I realize there is an agenda to sicken and reduce the population. Once we can all accept this terrible truth, then we can begin to stand against it. Of course the powers that own the world’s resources dont want to share them with a growing a population… its a model built on scarcity and fear. The main fear we should have is of vaccines!!! vaccinecancerconnection.wordpress.com

  • nmcard

    And how about this: vaccinecancerconnection.wordpress.com OR sv40foundation.org OR whale.to
    People are afraid to face this dark secret. And Parents are afraid to face this dark secret because then they have to face they may have made a terrible and grave decision by blindly trusting the white coats.

  • nmcard

    great answer!

  • nmcard

    And right on the package inserts they say: never been tested to see if they are carcinogenic !!!! bastards!! vaccinecancerconnection.wordpress.com

  • nmcard

    yep, Gulf War Syndrome my ass! Its beyond revolting that they (bigpharmacancereugenics) are using our soldiers, our babies and our elders as guinea pigs! But, thats not really true, because they know exactly what they are doing: lining their pockets on others suffering and reducing the population.

  • Roxanne

    Hi Jayne, death from infectious diseases plummeted drastically well before vaccines for the respective diseases. Where are all the Scarlet Fever casualties?? No vaccine was ever administered for Scarlet Fever. I would
    encourage you to look at hard historical data re. the decline in infectious
    disease mortality thanks to improved sanitation, better nutrition etc. Consider
    getting Dr. Suzanne Humphries book, ‘Dissolving Illusions…’ and visiting
    http://www.thinktwice.com where you can access extensive write-ups on the polio
    vaccine saviour myth, including how polio was redefined, diagnosed etc.
    Lastly, please also see Dr. Eleanor McBean’s mindboggling book (free online) detailing historical records, data, articles etc. re. the smallpox and
    polio vaccines. Please see: ‘The Poisoned Needle’ at http://www.whale.to

  • nmcard

    You can find many reports on Pubmed if you take the time to look around. or even on google scholar. Especially look at cell line contamination and SV40 contamination. I dont have time to paste all the peer reviews but lets start with these: from the Journal of the Royal society of Medicine lhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/ OR this: from the Lancet http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11897278 or from: vaccinecancerconnection.wordpress.com

  • nmcard

    My 6 year old unvaccinated, breastfed child never once been sick. Not once. No cold, no allergies, no flu… nada, nothing, zip. Perfectly healthy because of never having immuno suppressing vaccines of retroviruses and neurotoxins. Its only common sense… VACCINES: NOT ME! NOT MY CHILD! NOT MY FAMILY!!

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Immune tolerance lost.

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1200850#t=articleTop

    “RESULTS

    We compared 277 children, 4 to 12 years of age, who were PCR-positive for pertussis with 3318 PCR-negative controls and 6086 matched controls. PCR-positive children were more likely to have received the fifth DTaP dose earlier than PCR-negative controls (P<0.001) or matched controls (P=0.005). Comparison with PCR-negative controls yielded an odds ratio of 1.42 (95% confidence interval, 1.21 to 1.66), indicating that after the fifth dose of DTaP, the odds of acquiring pertussis increased by an average of 42% per year."

  • Roxanne

    Thanks for this link re. cancer and vaccines. We know that vaccine monographs routinely state that vaccines are not tested for carcinogenic
    potential amongst other things. I love how vaccine proponents feign
    being “scientific” while their “don’t look, don’t find” approach assumes
    vaccine innocence, and their shoddy trials which use non-inert placebos
    have all the credibility of tobacco “science.”

  • Roxanne

    Yep, your child is a real threat!… A threat to pharma-cartel profit$!

  • Roxanne

    The body doesn’t lie. The proof is in the pudding.

  • nmcard

    ‘Go figure’ is a perfect sentiment because yes, they are working on their figures;their math; their profits; their bottom-lines. And perfect how you played the nazis in since what we are dealing with is malthusian eugenic mock science.

  • Roxanne

    Yep… Here’s another article on how trolls infiltrate the internet to deceive,
    discredit etc…
    http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/how-covert-agents-infiltrate-the-internet-to-manipulate-deceive-and-destroy-reputations/#.Uw7l78-Yag4

  • Roxanne

    This quote from 1977 from British MP Jack Ashton is sadly even more applicable now then back then:
    **“Behind the call for compensation for vaccine-damaged children lies a story of Government incompetence, neglect and even deceit. Healthy children whose lives have been shattered by blindness, deafness, paralysis or screaming convulsions have been brushed aside by successive Governments. The risks of vaccination have been hidden from their parents. And unsuspecting families have become the tragic victims of crass official ineptitude.”

  • kfil

    As a new mother to be I’ve been facing so much backlash from saying no to a flu vaccine, I asked what was in. She said oh its a dead virus don’t worry, then u said what are the filler ingredients. She said oh you’re one of those. And went on to fear monger and say “I just saw a woman miscarried and died from the flu” I asked where she heard this she said CNN I sighed in relief and kept confident in my decision. I just don’t understand why you are deemed a monster for not wanting you or your children vaccinated. If vaccines work than the vaccinated should not fear ;)

  • tofuchik

    My kids, ages 12 & 16 are unvaccinated and vegan, and have never had anything beyond a cold and chicken pox. We’ve only done herbs and homeopathy. They are healthy, smart children.

  • Rich

    Everyone’s anecdotal evidence goes perfectly well with this non-science ‘study’. Enjoy your delusion.

  • Brad
  • ccdaddy

    Coming in two parts,the human slime, that went after and destroyed a brilliant Dr’s career. To salvage, their reputations, and the Pharma invested wealth.

    Fiona Godlee of the BMJ,appears to have had financial ties to Merck–manufacturer of 13 vaccines. She also,had acknowledged. She, had some income from GSK (the manufacturer of several vaccines as well) That’s, quite a conflict!

    Brian Deer,he had total ties to Murdoch. Through the Times. And his under handed tactics, to find out the names of these children. Was, unethical, if not down right against the law.

    Reporter Deer, lied to gain access to the parents of the children that Dr.Wakefield treated. He was guilty, of everything that he falsely accused Dr Wakefield of.

    Murdochs publications, was involved in allegedly wire tapping the royals. And, some of the stars.

    This is, the quality of the people. That went after, and then destroyed a man.
    A man, whose only flaw concerning this issue. was. That he cared enough, about the children. To hear the cries, of the desperate parents. Parents, whose children were suffering unmercifully.

  • ccdaddy

    The Lancet, was involved. And so was GSK, and Merck in jacking up the courageous DR. Wakefield.

    James Murdoch’s GSK directorship, is only part of a far reaching network of conflict of interest. Which undoubtedly, promoted the stripping of Wakefield’s licence to practice medicine in the UK.

    Brian Deer’s research, was assisted by Medico-Legal Investigations. A private eye company, whose only source of funding is the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry;

    judge,Sir Nigel Davis, denied parents whose children Dr.Wakefield treated.
    The right, to be heard in court about claims against vaccine manufacturers; judge Davis’ brother is an executive board member of Elsevier (publishers of the Lancet which removed Wakefield’s 1998 paper on the discovery of the new bowel disease) and is also on the Board of GSK;

    The Chairman, of the General Medical Council Fitness to Practice Panel who ruled against Wakefield, Dr Kumar, refused to answer questions about his shareholdings in GSK.

    As well as, the Sunday Times and the London Times which both carried Deer’s malevolent reports, Reuters and the Daily Mirror, both joined the character assassination; the head of Reuters serves on the Board of Merck, the other manufacturer of MMR;

    Daily Mirror writer, Miriam Stoppard is wife to Sir Christopher Hogg, 2004 Chairman of GSK. This is incestuous relationships,between the Pharma Company’s and the Government. It also, involves prestigious Journals and reporters. Dr.Wakefield,and his research never had a chance. Rich people in high places,do not like to lose money. Ever! They have falsely, accused a man of great integrity and compassion.

    Of something, that he never did! He wrote a paper,that basically said “he found, that children with autism,they also had a new variant bowel disease” Then he just suggested, that they err on the side of caution. And allow, the public to use single dose M——M——R till they better know, what is going on.

    Their response was,to pull all the single doses, Off, of the market.

    Surly Parents, you can see all of these, the incestuous relationships.
    All willing, to sacrifice a brilliant caring Dr’s spotless career. To save
    their reputations, and most of all their pharma wealth.

  • ccdaddy

    Dr Wakefield, was criticized for asking parents whose children were at his kids birthday party. To let him, draw blood from them, for five dollars a child. (for research,purposes) That to me, is a brilliant move,they would be getting 5 dollars. For the same pain, that the UK. HHS was going to administer for nothing. The research, was being done to benefit the UK and the worlds children.

    That, they said, was very cruel and unethical. They can inject, up to 9 vaccines on one day at one point in time. Sticking the kids, at the same time, in both arms & then just seconds later. Both legs! That’s not cruel???? and Unethical?????

    They are hypocrites,of the worse kind. Lying, to save their reputations. And most of all, their Pharma invested wealth.

    At that time,that Dr Wakefield found that children with Autism, also had a new variant bowel disorder. There was,ample single dose vials, on hand.

    So, they (the UK. GOV.) are the ones that are to blame, for not erring on the side of caution. But honestly,how could they.You see parents, in the GMC = General Medical Counsel discoveries. Dr. Wakefields defense, had found proof that the UK government was told by GSK. If they do, combine the M-M-R in a 3 in 1 vaccine. That many of the children, may be harmed. The Uk’s answer, to that. Was,cold and very uncaring “we will pay off the parents, of the effected children” It appears, that saving a few cents a vaccine,was worth the life of a child. Now it appears, since the damage, has been done. There’s, no going back. And the evidence is in,and the damage is greater, than they ever thought. It appears, that good Dr. Wakefield. He ask the person in the UK, that was responsible for taking away the option of single dose vials. Why,she did it?

    Her answer, was just as cold as the UK’s Gov. answer.

    “it would have destroyed,our MMR program” She said.

    In other words,their precious MMR program. Meant more, than the safety of the very children they were charged with protecting. They have lost sight,of their obligation to
    the public.

    They, have put all their confidence, in a program. That, by the current emerging evidence. Appears, by very convincing evidence, to be no better than fools Gold.

    Here is the perfect example, of their continuing inability to heed warnings of any kind.

    In the single dose, M—-M—-R vaccine vial package insert. It states, as a warning!

    ” do not give, within 3 weeks, to a month of another live virus ”

    Dr. Wakefield,takes that warning seriously,but he recommends,at least a year a part.

    You see parents, that was sound advice. That was totally ignored, and clearly not being followed.The Maker, of the Single dose vials of the M___M___R were afraid that if they were given to close. That one of them, might just take hold. By over whelming, the immune system. And then, embed it’s self into the body of the child. In other words,the vaccine strain type Measles. Had set up residence, in the body of the UK. and US. children. And the rest of the MMR vaccinated children of the world! That’s,a Public Relations nightmare! That in it’s self, could destroy their sacred cash cow. The vaccine program.

    Next, I will send the evidence, that all who were in bed, on this. Most,of them. Had very significant, amounts of money in GSK, and Merck. That,if Dr Wakefield was right. Then they, stood to lose, great amounts of Pharma invested money.

    So the bearer of the bad news,was to be discredited first. And then, his career. Was,
    to be unmercifully obliterated! To the point, that no one ever dare, to go there again! Questioning, their vaccine science. Was never, to happen again! That’s the problem, Pride Arrogance and Greed, has replaced. Common sense, logic, and compassion..

  • jo

    Its because most of the population are brainwashed, they just don’t know it yet. Your awake, keep it that way. Stay strong

  • ccdaddy

    What, is wrong with this Nation. Was addressed, by the Bible. Thousands of year’s ago. And it will be,what will, eventually buries us. Mystery Babylon, the Bible says,shall be destroyed in 1 Hr. It will be, because she, (Mystery Babylon) would not repent of her Pharmacai.

    This, once great Nation. Has sold it’s soul, and the (freedom of this Nations press) to the Pharmaceutical Companies.

    The Powerful House Appropriations Committee, from Congress. Acting under pressure from the parents of the vaccine injured,researcher’s, and other Congressman. They asked, to see the science,that the CDC Dir. had for her concluding. That, vaccines. Don’t! cause Autism.

    They brought, the NIH in to do the work. The NIH, turned that political hot potato over to the NIH’s NIEHS (the environmental side, of the NIH) The studies,they were all evaluated by NIEHS’s Dr. Irva Hertz-Picciotto, Ph.D., M.P.H.

    Dr. Picciottos findings, were as follows. That, all of the large population based environmental studies done in the VSD. She concluded,( by evaluation) that they were en-effect useless. Her words were,that they were riddled full of design flaws. Rendering them, en-effect useless! The expert,from NIEHS. Also, said this in regards to those very highly quoted. By the CDC, AAP & FDA, The, Denmark studies.

    As bad, as the U.S. VSD environmental studies were. They were an improvement, over the other two. The two, Denmark studies. That was said, by the NIEHS’s Dr Picciotto. Years, before the Danish fraud, was uncovered. The CAA funded fraud, that was being produced for the CDC. Out of Denmark. To fool the American people.

    From a FOIA email,one can easily discern. That the CDC, had no real desire to get to the real truth. Of what, had happened, to an entire generation. Of now, neurologically disabled, American children. Especially since, it had happened on their (CDC) CBER watch. In fact, Dr. Egan of CDC’s CBER div. was told by a US. Congressman.

    ” DR Egan, on your watch, we have lost a generation of children ”

    That happened, at a Congressional hearing, on vaccines and Autism. Dr. Egan, after being told that. He just, turned into a zombie. His eyes, got glazed over. He looked like a deer, caught in headlights. It took 2 women, from HHS, to escort him out of the hearing. They were literately, having to hold him up. One, would have to be an idiot,to see that. And not know, that this is a cover up. He Dr. Egan. Was struck! down to his very core, of his being. I saw the video,if we had freedom of the press. This nightmare, would have ended, the next day. The fact, that it didn’t,proves the press is under a type of gag order, on this issue. The question is, who ordered it. The CDC, or the the media? Either way, it is not! their place, to withhold anything. That’s, this important,about the health of our children. This Nations, most Precious Resource.

    The FOIA email, that they fired off, to the Denmark researcher. Was absolute proof, their intentions were dishonorable. And, it was meant, to get the researcher, to do exactly what he did. Fraudulent, predetermined research!

    ” we are only interested,in what will exonerate the CDC and vaccines ”

    That’s what they told, the lead Denmark researcher. That BTW parents,has been indicted in the US. on 22 counts of fraud. Ask your self this,in the land of the free. Boasting, of the freedom of the press. Why has this, not made the news? Breaking News, ABC news, has just learned. That, the researcher that gave the CDC the science proving mercury in the US. children’s vaccines and the MMR. Was safe. He has been indicted, on 22 counts of fraud! He has been indicted, on theft of almost 2 million dollars of Congressional created combating autism act research funds.

    The House Appropriations Committee, asked for a response from the CDC Dir. Dr.Julie Gerberding. About the NIEHS’s Congressional, report. A report to the Congress,that appeared to put her at about -0- evidence. That, the current vaccines, and schedule, as they were then. Was ever safe,and that they did not cause, the current vaccine induced. Autism, epidemic. 1 in 50 children / with 1 in 31 being boys.

    Dr. Picciottos, last words on this subject. Should have, ended this (insanity) of vaccine induced chronic disease ( including Autism )

    Dr. Picciotto ” that leaves very little, for the CDC to go on in terms of proving that thimerosal and autism are not associated in any way ”

    The CDC Dir’s, own words. Concerning, the NIEHS Congressional report. Were, by themselves. Very shocking! (CDC concurs to the findings) she said.. She also, dropped these bombs!

    “we will not be using the VSD anymore, for looking at vaccines as a cause for Autism environmental” The Dir. said “to do so, would be potentially misleading” She the Dir. of the CDC didn’t stop there, she said something that should have been a game changer.

    For it proved, the CDC had nothing! left. After the VSD, and the Denmark studies was found to be useless and worse than useless. Here’s her own words, about the safety studies they had from that point.

    “but if you do give us more time, we will do good quality studies” So, what we can assume is. That up to that point, they the CDC were funding. Predominately studies
    of poor quality ??????

    This is the very reason, that the sitting President GW Bush decided to seal the VSD forever! That is,until the threat. By, the two Senators. To officially, look in to his and his staffs relationship. With the manufacturer (Eli Lilly) who BTW is patent holder and creator of the children’s vaccine Preservative. That was used, in almost all children’s vaccines. Eli Lilly product, in – question Thimerosal. The relationship, that GW did not want uncovered. Was the fact, that he had 3 ex Lilly executives working at the Bush White House. Another damning fact, was. That, the Ex. President Bush Sr. was on the board of Lilly in the 70′s. There is no doubt,that would be (a very big financial blow, to the Bush family fortune. if Thimerosal were found to be causing this autism epidemic)

    Back to the CDC Dir, who admitted,that she and the CDC. Had been misleading, the public & Congress, and Presidents. For, well over a decade. Concerning the science, they really had!

    She the Dir., should have been barbecued. By, the very powerful House Appropriations Committee. Here’s the biggest shame,of all. The Powerful House Appropriations Committee, (they chose) to bury their findings. Essentially,they were willing to turn a blind eye, to the NIEHS report.

    And a deaf ear, to the concerns of the parents, that were and still are, dealing with the vaccine damaged aftermath.

    After this stunning admission,that the Emperor had no clothes. And probably, never did. The Dir of the CDC, that just admitted, that she most likely had been misleading the public for many decades.

    She, the US. CDC Dir. goes to work at Merck Pharmaceuticals.

    For a salary,of almost 2 million,US, dollars a year. More on Merck,and their role. In this,the Thimerosal caused catastrophic event. Later to come.

    That’s the famous, revolving door into the industry. That keeps, the US. people,SICK !!!!!!! And at the mercy, of the Pharmaceutical and the Vaccine Co’s. And is, one of the biggest contributors, to the now 17 trillion dollars. That, we are in debt. Want to end, the growing National debt? Get a (real handle,) on health care. Starting, with cleaning house at the BOUGHT ! AND PAID FOR. FDA and the CDC. When you do this, the National debt, it will by it’s self, very quickly. Start, to decrease.

    And when you end, the ability of the Pharmaceutical Companies. To directly advertise drugs to the American people. You will then, have taken away the Major Media lap dogs of the Drug industry. And in doing so,you will have put back. What use to be, the self appointed, watch dogs of the industry.

    The current media,has become nothing more than. Propaganda spreaders.

    The Appropriations Committee,that found all this out. They owe! the American people, an explanation. Of why, they decided to not act, on their findings. They instead,swept it under the rug. I will give you a hint, of why they did not act. Most of the Congressmen, and the Senators. Have, great amounts of stocks.In these, vaccine corporations.

    Their, Golden Retirement Parachutes. Would quickly, plummet to the ground. In other words. They, like the Media, CDC FDA AAP WHO are. all BOUGHT!

  • Nat

    I can see a few flaws in this research. First, the vaccinations in New Zealand may not be the same across the world, therefore the consequences may be different. Second, have the vaccinations changed at all in New Zealand since the 90′s? Are the results comparable with the current vaccines? Third, the deseases spread differently depending on the climate and lifestyle. What is relevant in New Zealand cannot be comparable with the rest of the world, therefore the result may only be accurate for those specific conditions. Finally, what are the numbers if unvaccinated children who were affected by the target deseases versus those who were vaccinated? I would like to see those figures. What is more beneficial in that case?

  • Lil Lulu

    Judging from your last sentence, you obviously do not understand the concept of herd immunity.

  • ccdaddy

    Remember, it was just a few months ago, ABC’s Dr. Oz was worried about 30 ppb of Arsenic in the apple juice. His concerns, and suspicions, they were proven correct. By, consumer reports.

    Now, people are calling (including the FDA) for some regulation, of apple juice and toxins.

    ( Arsenic is a lesser Toxin,by 500 times, what was injected into our kids )

    [ Vaccineal Mercury ]

    That’s real rich, the same FDA, that was misleading ABC’s Dr.Besser, by as Dr. Besser admitted on ABC world news [ by giving him incorrect facts ]. Is now! calling, for some regulation. Little late, don’t you think! Truthfully, they were trying to deceive ABC’s Dr. Richard Besser. And the public.

    And were told,” that ” were misleading the public ???

    That act of deception, can be looked at, in two ways. Either, they were ignorantly & criminally incompetent. Or, they were trying purposely, to deceive ABC’s Dr.Besser and this Nations people.

    The people, their suppose to, and paid to serve.

    Below, is a portion of the actual transcript, of ABC’s Dr.Besser taking a well deserved beating. It appears, Dr. Besser like many others, spoke out without doing their own homework. That, happens a lot these days.

    But, never do we see someone, admit on a news program. That, they were wrong! It usually just doesn’t happen, it makes you wonder, if Dr. Oz might
    have demanded a retraction. And he got it!

    From, the ABC world news transcript. My respect, for Diann Sawer, it grew immencly that day.

    Diann Sawyer, the anchor of ABC world news. Asked ABC’s Dr Besser, “did it make you mad (Dr. Besser) going into battle with insufficient incorrect facts from the FDA? Bessers reply was “Oh! yeah,what bothers me most is that when Memit and I spoke before the information I had, was from the FDA was incorrect. He turns to Dr Oz, and says. you were right!

    Kuddo’s Dr. Besser, for admitting, you were dead wrong. And by admitting, that you were wrong. You, have cornered your self, on the Mercury in the children’s vaccines issue. Like a trapped, Rat. I just hope, for the children’s sake, that you have the integrity & the Guts to admit it. But personally, i’m not going to hold my breath, till you do.

    What, was Dr. Oz right about? Parents, here is where my questions, push them into a corner. With no, logic way out!

    That the ingested Arsenic, in as little as 30 ppb in apple juice, was harmful. And according, to one of the most respected Dr’s in history. They do not know, the long. Or even, the short term, health effects for our kids. And that, it was also the Inorganic type, as Dr.Besser had called it, [the bad Arsenic] As he, Dr.Oz in his research had found.

    If this question, I posed below, were answered under oath [with hand on Bible] truthfully in a Congressional hearing. Heads, would most certainly roll, in the AAP, CDC, FDA, IOM, & the WHO.

    So, if 30 ppb of a lesser [ingested] toxin,is a long and short term health concern. That needs, to be immediately addressed.

    What is tens of thousands of ppb’s of a greater toxin [injected mercury] that by passes the body’s filtering organs? And readily,has the express ability to cross the BBB, that’s given within hours of the first breath. That a newborn, takes?

    Now consider,that some of the the Pregnant women,they get 2 flu vaccines. And if, they are RH Negative,they get 2 Rhogams. That’s all being given, before the Baby has even taken his or her first breath of life. They are already, bombarded
    100 micro grams of mercury. The very first vaccine, the child gets, is the hep-b vaccine within hours of the 1 st breath of life. Now here’s, the total absolute insanity,that proves these people,they are not playing with a whole deck!

    The hep-b by it’s self, is over a thousand ppb of mercury.The mom to be, that has 2 flu vaccines, and 2 Rhogams. Has just received,in the 10′s of thousands, of ppb of a mercury. That the manufacturers, MSDS states “if you are exposed
    to Thimerosal,any future exposures to mercury may cause mercury poisoning”

    MSDS ( Manufacturer’s Safety Data Sheet ) states what thousands of PPB’s of injected mercury is.

    “pregnant women, are never supposed to be exposed to Thimerosal, for it can cross the placenta, and go into the baby, and cause mild to severe mental retardation” That’s verbatim, what the Manufacturer of Thimerosal, says about their product. Seems, that the medical community, pushing Thimerosal loaded flu vaccines in pregnant women. Didn’t get, that important memo. And that’s why, some baby’s are born Autistic.

    I really wish,that pregnant women of this Nation, would ask their OB,GYN Doc. Why would you, want to inject something into my body, that the manufacturer says will cross my placenta,and go into my baby, and may cause mild to severe Mental retardation???? The follow up question, to that. Would be, are you freaking Insane ???? Or,just plain stupid?????

    I believe, they would have to take the fifth.

    Mild, ADD, ADHD, Speech Delay,Severe, Autism, Bipolar, Anorexia,childhood cancer,Asthma and CP.

    Official answer is, sadly it’s AAP recommended. And, considered FDA and CDC certified Safe? Again, not at all possible. And the sad thing is, they know it.

  • Jim Mann

    My child is 2 and we have the same story! it’s weird to see all his play group friends ill all the time

  • Quentin

    That’s the problem with a lot of these ideas that are gaining steam outside of the mainstream. Folks want to follow the alternative leaders and ideals like sheep, the same way the mainstream got into trouble. A lot of people tend to forget we should question everything and everyone, including ideas and people we like.

  • Julie Mobley

    One has to remember that parents who don’t vaccinate their children in general follow a healthier lifestyle that an lot of mainstream parents (organic foods, homeschooling, less toxic cleaners and products in their homes). For this “study” to be truly valid apples to apples must be compared, none of that is mentioned in the literature. Kids who are homeschooled are going to have less disease/illness as they are not exposed to as many viruses and bacteria as children who go to school. Allergies can be attributed to many things, including the increased level of toxins in our daily lives. I think many parents who don’t vaccinate their children live very healthy, clean lives and I applaud them, but I have two vaccinated children who suffer very little illness, are not hyperactive, and I see no difference in them and thier non-vaccinated cousins as far as health and behavioural problems. I don’t think anyone can state “without a doubt” that unvaccinated children are healthier until you compare all aspects of how they live their lives with the vaccinated children they are compared to.

  • Susan Dickerson

    I have one vaccinated and one unvaccinated child, and without a doubt, the unvaccinated is healthier—flies through minor colds/illnesses in a flash, whereas his brother will have lingering symptoms for weeks. Everyone I know who has both vaccinated and unvaccinated children in their families says the same thing……I try not to feel guilty when I listen to the older one coughing through the night, because I just didn’t “know” at the time. But I am glad I learned….

  • Susan

    Correlation does not equal causation; there are so many possibly confounds in the studies quoted that I wouldn’t say it without a doubt proves anything – that’s just a good title to catch attention and imo irresponsible. For instance, the environments between the countries quoted for asthma rates probably have a lot more to do with that statistic. Perhaps with the diabetes figures it has to do with diet; I would bet children in homes that are more anti-vaccination also tend to try to eat more natural foods as well. Correlations only open up questions for further study to figure out more definitively the why of what is being seen. JMO.

  • Susan Dickerson

    I don’t think you understand the concept of herd immunity. The childhood vaccines they give ‘wear off’ anyway after a number of years, so as an adult—you are no longer ‘immune’ anyway. Just look up or ask how long each vaccine is supposed to provide immunity for–they vary. So if the bulk of the “herd” is no longer immune anyway (every adult out there!), then there is no herd immunity—it’s a myth. It is good propaganda put out there to instill fear and get you to comply. Of course, even THAT is assuming that a vaccine will even provide you immunity form a disease. The vaccine leaves a marker—an antibody, whose presence can be traced to be present or not–but it is only a leap of faith that that actually provides protection, anyway. True immunity comes from actually experiencing the disease….The public at large is so misled.

  • CRJ

    My 1-year-old son is also unvaccinated and breastfed. People give me crap for it all the time, especially my mother (that whole “You’re vaccinated and you turned out fine” thing…which is not entirely true. Last time I got a flu vaccine, I got a really bad sinus infection. Last time I got “caught up” on my vaccines, which was in my sophomore year of high school, I got sick. Then, for four years following, I got sick with strep twice a year and many colds in between. Before my last round of shots, I almost never got sick). My son has gotten one cold and one ear infection (the ear infection was my fault. I was cleaning his ears wrong; and he got the cold from the pediatrician’s office, go figure), and all of my friends’ children (who are vaccinated and, most of them, formula-fed) are constantly sick. I’d say most of them are sick at least once a month. That’s not normal. Not today, where hygiene is important and we have ever-increasing access to healthy foods. After simply comparing my son’s health to that of other children around him, I will never vaccinate him or any future children that I might have.

  • ChickShow

    You’re children are VERY fortunate given the willful ignorance of their mum….For this study to be ‘truly’ valid….Julie honey, TROLL….I need not write more, other than IGNORED! ;)

  • ChickShow

    Well, another uneducated troll chimes in…..Susan dear, look into the Amish…NO AUTISM! Just sayin’ some facts

  • ChickShow

    Wonderful information and for those that forgot….Dr. Oz DOES NOT vaccinate…his Wife, lol seems to know something because when put on the spot about vaccinating, he said…”….at home i’m not Dr. Oz…” ie: his wife runs the show and EVEN with his big knowledge on medical stuff….(I think he’s a shill and a totally uneducated fool since he seems to ONLY tow the line for big pharma….uneducated and UNETHICAL) he can’t force HIS children to be vaccinated….and LOL the IRONY of this revelation!!!! It was on an episode where he was PUSHING vaccines/flu shots!!!! Hypocritical SCUM!!!! Yea, YOU little people down their, get your damn shots….we, up here, KNOW something you don’t so…well, we’ll just opt out!!!!

  • AQ

    Please explain how asking a healthily skeptical question is trolling. I’d really love to know why you think I am a troll because I question the validity of somebody’s claim.

  • AQ

    Let me see–I ask a question, and I get homophobic namecalling in response.

    My question is quite valid. If you have no answer, then please don’t comment because clearly you’re incapable of responding like an adult.

  • AQ

    So anyone who disagrees and expresses skepticism is a shill?

    Really. Wow.

  • AQ

    You are throwing irrelevant publications at me, and then telling me to do your work for you.

    No. Please provide me with your peer-reviewed proof that vaccines lead to more disease.

  • ChickShow

    THANK YOU CCDADDY!!!! Question, I cannot find youtube clips on Dr. Egan being told he that on his watch we lost an entire generation of children….please post a link or the documentary title to this! Thank you again! I know ALL this stuff but what a wonderful refresher and collation of the facts for the newly initiated!!!!

  • mwh

    Not true. Amish are labeled with autism, too.

  • ChickShow

    Belief disconfirmation paradigm…. and btw….TRULY educated folks Don’t use the biased and Clearly trolled wikipedia as a source, lol…it’s as lacking of credibility as Snopes, bwaaahhhhh….. ie: when you post a wikipedia link, well it screams troll…just sayin’ some facts ;)

  • ChickShow

    You’re children are SO VERY FORTUNATE to have such an educated and concerned parent!!!!

  • ChickShow

    Judging from your entire sentence, you CLEARLY do not understand the facts of science NOR have you actually read a patent application for ANY of the flu shots and then broke it down…..btw….REALLY! You actually wrote Herd Immunity…. wow, how very 1965….. Next you’ll swear that Vaccine Encephalitis doesn’t exist, you silly little uneducated monkey….. :)

  • ChickShow

    LUCKY LUCKY Children!!!!

  • ChickShow

    OH YES!!!! You brought up Henrietta Lacks, BRILLIANT!!! a mum who knows her stuff…and sv40….one of my faves though is the African Green Monkey Kidney cell line and the 16 week gestated ABORTED FETUS epithelial cell line from the EYES of those aborted fetus’….good times…’cause EVERY MUM wants the dna of an unknown aborted fetus in the flu shot for their kid OR the MOST VIRULENT FORM OF CANCER CELLS KNOWN TO MAN, the HeLa cells, that NO MATTER WHAT THEY DID, they couldn’t KILL them….but hey, a little centerfuge, a bit of detergent, some themersol, that should do it….the fact that so many children have CANCER….nothing to see here people, move along…yet the HeLa cell line is used in almost EVERY brand of vaccines…but again, move along nothing to see….AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, GOOD LUCK drawing a correlation between the vaccine AND your poor childs cancer!!!!

  • mck05002

    In 2005 John Ioannidis, an epidemiologist from Stanford University, caused a stir with a paper showing why, as a matter of statistical logic, the idea that only one such paper in 20 (in a peer-reviewed medical journal) gives a false-positive result was hugely optimistic. Instead, he argued, “most published research findings are probably false.” http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21588057-scientists-think-science-self-correcting-alarming-degree-it-not-trouble

  • ChickShow

    Oops, Troll? Or someone VERY UNEDUCATED…..hmmmm….it takes about 2 hours of research and reading a patent application for JUST a flu vaccine and being intellectual enough to UNDERSTAND what that patent MEANS, especially the Manufacturing Process! You CANNOT mam, join in on an intellectually sound discussion IF you have not done so! It’s like engaging in a discussion of physics and then saying, Einstein WHO? You IMMEDIATELY dismiss yourself as having ANY credibility at all! But, tell ya what, go back to the childrens table, and educate yourself, read this: http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Baxter%20Vaccine%20Patent%20Application.pdf After you do, and ONLY AFTER, may you return to the adult table…but, unless you unequivocally understand the processes described and the modalities employed, you cannot Articulately discuss this topic! btw….You’re welcome! ;)

  • ChickShow

    Sweetheart, it was 2-3 and two HAD been vaccinated outside of the amish community…sheesh, this is common knowledge!!!!, go back to the childrens table and do your research before you try to join into an adult conversation!

  • ChickShow

    Actually I DO and it was created to ‘fool’ silly weak-minded ‘herds’, lol irony or what, to Embrace that phrase so that they can justify doing that which is, clearly, antithetical to what common sense dictates. It’s called Cognitive Dissonance….you have an ‘out’ when your child is ‘retarded’ due to an action that you took WITHOUT educating yourself…you SHOULD be beating yourself up for ALLOWING your child to have toxins put in their little body but hey, you have the NLP (neuro-linguistic programming) of ‘Herd Mentality’ to fall back on which enables YOU to ‘feel’ you have NO responsibility whatsoever……and btw, given that most children ARE vaccinated and this ‘Herd Immunity’ works so well, then you shouldn’t be concerned AT ALL with the ones who are not! But THAT’S common sense and i’m asking too much with that huh? (herd immunity….I guffaw every time I read that, it’s sooooo for weak-minded lazy sheople!!!) Oh and look into what Jenner said on his death bed..

  • Take a Breath

    ChickShow-

    Are you serious with your replies? You have officially taken the discussion down to a grade school level. You aren’t replying with studies, you name call and use invented “facts”. It should be expected from someone who polices a site called VacTruth.com right? Isn’t anyone else nervous about any article that states something is proven “without a doubt”. What other factors were present in each of the individuals studied? Why not ask these questions instead of calling people trolls? It’s just such an ignorant angle to take in this argument, claiming that it is cut and dried, no question that vaccines are the devil. I’m guessing you are picking and choosing your vaccines right? If you have a spare second away from your weak attempt at bullying people on here, look up the polio death rate before and after the exact year the vaccine was introduced. Is that vaccine ok? Should someone write an article about rates of pertussis in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated kids? There are two sides to all of these arguments and anyone taking a view at one extreme or the other isn’t worth wasting time with.

  • guest

    why must you keep coming up with “pet names” for everyone you counter? passive aggressive much? people can post their views and should still be respected. I’m sure you have some naivety in some aspect of life. And at the moment, it hasn’t been decided whose correct on this topic. ..”Sweetheart”, “TROLL” ? Really??

  • Jennifer Torres

    Not surprising really. An unvaccinated child will have far less foreign bodies introduced into their system. My older children were vaccinated; then we stopped after the fourth (he only got a few). My children overall are far healthier than any of my friends who vaccinate. They don’t even get the “common” colds or other illnesses that go around each year. We don’t have any of the health problems listed above that seem to run rampant in typical vaccinated children.

  • patricia

    wow this is unbelievable. the vaccines are for life threatening diseases .. and you are arguing about kids with allergies and eczema?? get some perspective and get vaccinated.

  • elnura

    Look at the charts:
    Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries Of Official Statistics
    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

    Polio Vaccine never worked: POLIO is an umbrella word for the many different names given to the disease back in the 1950′s when the Salk Vaccine failed. Polio now hides behind these names:

    -Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP)lots of cases of this disease in India,
    Pakistan, Syria, Nigeria-everywhere the WHO and The Gates Foundation
    goes in and vaccinates.

    *India to get polio-free status amid rise in acute flaccid paralysis cases caused by polio vaccine: http://www.livemint.com/Politics/XS6vPor5jFX3vKkaE7Ri6H/India-to-get-poliofre

    (In the past 13 months, India has reported 53,563 cases of NPAFP at a
    national rate of 12 per 100,000 children—way above the global benchmark set by WHO of 2 per 100,000. WHO data indicate NPAFP cases have been increasing steadily since 2003, when the number was at 8,000.)

    *Study: Polio vaccine campaign in India has caused 12-fold increase in deadly paralysis condition: http://www.naturalnews.com
    /035588_polio_vaccine_India_paralysis.html

    *78 percent of Pakistani children with polio were given polio vaccines: http://www.naturalnews.com/032587_polio_vaccines_Pakistan.html

    *Polio Surges in Nigeria:http://www.voanews.com/content/polio-surge-in-nigeria/1516673.html

    *Polio Confirmed in Syria:http://www.voanews.com/content/un-confirms-polio-in-syria/1779005.html

    Wherever thr Polio Vaccine is used-Polio increases. Polio is hidden under the following names:
    Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP), Transverse Myelitis, Viral or aseptic meningitis,Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS) Chinese Paralytic syndrome ,CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME, Epidemic cholera, Cholera morbus, Spinal meningitis, Spinal apoplexy, Inhibitory palsy, Intermittent fever, Famine fever, Worm fever, Bilious remittent fever, Ergotism,Post-polio syndrome-synonyms for GBS.

    All of these CNS diseases are clinically indistinguishable from polio.

    *In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” –Control of influenza and poliomyelitis with killed virus vaccines) sciencemag.dot. Also, a very small article in the Washington Post on September 24, 1986.

    *The United States Center for Disease Control (CDC) admitted that the
    vaccine has become the dominant cause of polio in the US today, with 87% of cases between 1973 and 1983 caused by the vaccine. More
    recently, 1980-1989, every case of polio in the US was caused by the vaccine. Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institute of Health during the 1950′s were well aware that the Salk vaccine was ineffective and deadly. Some frankly stated that it was “worthless as a preventative and dangerous to take”. The Salk “inactivated” or “killed-virus” was actually regulated to permit 5,000 live viruses per million doses.

    The Polio Vaccine was contaminated with a monkey virus called Simian Virus 40.
    -The true story of SV40, the cancer-causing virus hidden in polio vaccines
    http://www.naturalnews.com/032854_SV40_polio_vaccines.html

    -98 million Americans were given polio vaccine contaminated with cancer-causing virus, admits CDC. http://www.naturalnews.com/041345_CDC_polio_vaccine_SV40.html

    -CDC tries to rewrite history by burying facts about SV40 cancer viruses in polio vaccines: http://www.naturalnews.com/041593_CDC_polio_vaccine_SV40_cancer_virus.html

    Polio vaccine caused Polio from the first day it was administered: http://explorevaccines.wordpress.com/category/polio-ipvopv/

    Smallpox vaccine caused smallpox. THE SMALLPOX VACCINE
    RACKET: http://whale.to/vaccines/smallpox.html

    Measles was 99.4% abated BEFORE the Vaccine. Check the charts and THE MEASLES VACCINE RACKET: http://whale.to/vaccines/measles.html

    2013 German Peer-Reviewed and Published medical study shows
    children get Measles from their own vaccination.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23358727

    Whooping cough. Vaccines has never worked and was never tested:

    -Whooping Cough Vaccine Does Not Work – Says US FDA’s Research:
    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/11/28/whooping-cough-vaccine-does-not-work-says-us-fdas-research/

    -Whooping Cough Vaccine – Doesn’t Work – GSK Says “We Never Bothered to Check”:http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/whooping-cough-vaccine-doesnt-work-gsk-says-we-never-bothered-to-check/

    -CLASS ACTION Lawsuit Against MERCK Pharmaceuticals for spreading MUMPS: Defective MUMPS Vaccine
    Non-vaccinated kids used as decoys by MERCK to hide another defective vaccine that didn’t work! Mumps Vaccine data was based on fraud-as all the others:
    Class Says Merck Lied About Mumps Vaccine: http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/27/47851.htm

    -Students at Fordham University Experiencing Mumps Outbreak Even though They were Vaccinated Against It: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/students-at-fordham-university-experiencing-mumps-outbreak-even-though-they-were-vaccinated-against-it/

    However the biggest government & vaccine industry fraud and lie:
    CDC Caught Hiding Data Showing Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism:
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/cdc-caught-hiding-data-showing-mercury-in-vaccines-linked-to-autism/

    BTW: Tonsillectomy removes one of the body’s primary defenses against all diseases that enter the body trough the nasal-throat route or the nasopharyngeal route. In the 1940′s and 50′s it was people (children & adults) who had tonsils removed had a higher infection rate of Polio than those who did not. Review:
    Dr Suzanne Humphries discusses vaccines and polio. Video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twch-T-n8Ns

  • The_sheesh

    ChickShow, I’ve been concerned about vaccinations for a while, where can I go to see the actual studies that show the Amish have no links to Autism?

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Childhood diseases never were life threatening until they started the vaccination program. Some of the illnesses children suffer today are far more life threatening and debilitating than the diseases the vaccines are supposed to “prevent”, like measles, mumps, chicken pox. You obviously didn’t get the whole point of the article and the studies.

  • Anonymous

    “Just sayin’ ” some facts: if you want to sound credible, educated and not ignorant at all, you should start to use proper grammar. Good luck with your arguments. Good luck moving anyone to your side, ChickShow!

  • LeAnn Addleman

    I too have children vaccinated and unvaccinated. The two youngest had just a few vaccines and I notice that they do not get sick when my older children struggle with illness much more often. I drive a school bus and most of those children are sick all the time.

  • Jonathan Besler

    Julie, what part of “The study also revealed that 81 of the families had both vaccinated and unvaccinated children. Many of these families had vaccinated their older children but had grown more reluctant to vaccinate their younger children, due to their growing concerns regarding vaccine safety” suggests there was no “apples to apples” being compared? Did you even read the article?

  • LeAnn Addleman

    What is your side on this issue, ChickShow? I haven’t really been able to figure out whether you’re for or against vaccination.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Actually, the article speaks for itself with comparison. It doesn’t take alot of “scientific” study to figure out that the vaccination program we have today harms far more children for longer than those whose parents choose not to vaccinate.

  • Lou

    Madam measles is NOT a life threatening disease, at least it was not until Big Vaccine INC, created some 73 or so new strains of the measles virus. If you will examine the following three studies and keep in mind that over 5000 US families have filed suits because their children contracted autism immediately after receiving the MMR a bell may go off. Or you may choose to overlook this evidence also.

    “Roughly 30-50% of the population has undiagnosed learning disabilities.[2]
    Almost 3 million children (ages 6 through 21) have some form of a learning
    disability and receive special education in school.[3] Since 1992, the percentage of students who spend 80% or more of their time in school in special education classes increased from 21% to 45%.[4] Specific learning disabilities have increased 22% over the past 25 years. In the past decade, the number of students ages 6-21 years identified with specific learning disabilities has increased by 38%.[5] In 2003, approximately 7.8% of U.S. children aged 4-17 years had ADHD diagnosed. Why?” Note the 25 mcg of MERCURY and other garbage many kids are getting in their “flu shot” and other “vaccines” is IMO a good part of these problems.

    “This is the second independent study to back up Dr Wakefield. In 2001 John O’Leary, Professor of Pathology at St James’s Hospital and Trinity College, Dublin, replicated his findings. This new study confirms what we found in British children and again with Professor O’Leary. The only exposure these children have had to measles is through the MMR vaccine.
    ‘They were developing normally until they regressed. They now suffer autism and bowel disease.” The Great MMR Deadly Scam

    “Virus-induced autoimmunity may play a causal role in autism. To examine the etiologic link of viruses in this brain disorder, we conducted a serologic study of measles virus, … Thus autistic children have a hyperimmune response to measles virus, which in the absence of a wild type of measles infection might be a sign of an abnormal immune reaction to the vaccine strain or virus reactivation.” Singh VK, Jensen RL. Utah State University, Note here is our infamous MMR “vaccine”

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_measles.htm

  • Julie Mobley

    Yes, I did read the entire article – “had grown more reluctant to vaccinate their younger children” shows that they MAY have changed their lifestyle very much between children. One doesn’t normally just decide one day not to vaccinate – they do it because they research, and often times drastically change their lifestyle from learning more in their research (following many of the practices mentioned above), this could also account for why thier “younger” children may have less illness than their vaccinated siblings. This article doesn’t present the entire findings with the numbers. I am not saying that this could not be true, I am saying that is goes much further than a survey about illness and vaccination and breastfeeding, and must include the many other factors that could lead to illness (as mentioned in my previous post). To do a truly scientific study all subjects have to be nearly equal – having one vaccinated child who goes to public school and eats the typical SAD diet potentially being compared to an unvaccinated, homeschooled child being fed a healthy, organic diet and exposed to far less chemical would make a huge difference in findings – Apples to Apples is my opint. I do vaccinate my children, who are healthy – and I have seen first hand children who have had horrible vaccine reactions, but I have also seen kids who have died from vaccine preventable disease. I am not in anyway downing people who don’t vaccinate, that is your choice, but like I mentioned above, there is far more than vaccines that attribute illness.

  • Julie Mobley

    Well said, I don’t often respond to public postings like this-and now I realize why. It amazes me that people cannot respectfully respond to information. Thank you.

  • Bob

    Right, uh, sorry, just wanted to comment quickly…

    You realize that Childhood diseases aren’t threatening because they’re effectively a natural form of vaccinations, right?

    A kid’s immune system is incredibly strong and resilient. When exposed to what would be a life-threatening disease later in life(like chicken pox), the child’s immune system learns how to respond to the disease.

    A vaccination does much of the same thing, except the vaccination introduces the disease to the kid in a much smaller dose, and doesn’t depend on the kid having a chance encounter with a life threatening disease while they’re a kid.

  • Fergus
  • ccdaddy

    Patricia, get a damn education. For each child, that has been severely effected, by vaccines. Will cost this Nation, according to the APA 6 million ea. And that’s, if left untreated. Neurologist, surgeon Dr John Poling’s daughter,who had 9 vaccines all on the same day. According to her mom an attorney,and her dad Dr.Poling,was reduced from normal to severely effected left dependent for life. In as little, as 2 days,after vaccines. She was awarded,for her vaccine damage, 20 million dollars. Life long care cost. Do the math,if you can! 1 in 6 American children, has a neurological learning disability. 1 in 50 with 1 in 31 being boys,they now have a disorder called autism. That in 1979, was only a mere 1 in 10,000 effected. What, do all children, have in common at that early of an age? Answer isn’t as the new latest study says. It’s chemicals, and then they name them. Wrong! it’s not those chemicals,there’s not an early enough exposure. No, the nasty culprit, is something that’s being delivered way earlier. Now! again, what do all children have in common, that they all get, at around the same time??

    VACCINES!!!!!

  • ccdaddy

    Lou FYI, did you know,that the GAO’s office was going to soon investigate the NVICP? AKA, the vaccine compensation program.
    That’s was, until the letter was fired off from the NVICP. To the GAO’s office, explaining. That they, have won three test cases.

    BUT THERE’S 5,000 MORE PENDING! AND WE, ONLY HAVE 2 BILLION DOLLARS!

    Read my earlier post, and you will understand, how they won the three test cases. Lets just say,their PaPa the DEVIL, would be ever so proud. Of their,lying cheating,and manipulating data.

    Ordering the IOM, to find No! causation.

    Sealing the data base, VSD by putting it in the hands of a non governmental agency. At a cost, of 190 million dollars. Why, a
    non governmental agency? Because of the fact, the American Public, cannot use (the freedom of information act).FOIA

    In a non governmental agency. setting. The public health agencies, and the AAP they know, and understand that!

    Hiring a researcher from Denmark, and telling him ” we are only interested in, what will! exonerate the CDC and vaccines ”

    Their (CDC) hand picked,doer of magic,with the express ability
    ( in taking an IQ lowering neural toxin,and turning it into a non toxic, good for the developing brain compound) Hello! has been indicted on 22 counts of fraud. Where in this Nation,that boast ever so PROUD! Of our freedom of the press. Is the BREAKING
    NEWS reports!Reports,that the CDC research done in Denmark, was evidently FRAUD! done by a researcher that’s been indicted in the US on 22 ct’s of FRAUD??????? I don’t remember any BREAKING NEWS! reports with this content. DO YOU, FELLOW AMERICAN! Defending this stupidity?

  • elnura

    If this is all you can do is post a link to cracked website-don’t bother. If you can’t formalize an opinion and post it don’t bother us with corporate robo-journalist propaganda.

  • elnura

    allergies and eczema??

    These are indications that the immune system is being damaged. Do some serious research on the origins of each. Educate yourself.

  • Sugarlarry

    So these “studies” you cite… what peer-reviewed scientific journals did they appear in? A survey set up by a group that already has a bias is NOT science.

    And the study run by a homeopathic practitioner… come on. That’s pure snake oil. There is no scientific support for homeopathic medicine as an alternative to “real” medicine. If there is any reason to believe that it does work, it’s probably because the consultation with a practitioner at least yields some useful information by way of recommending changes to behaviour that may have an impact on the outcome.

    Yes, vaccines sometimes have side effects. Even severe ones. But they are none-the-less effective as staving off the worst disease can throw at us.

    Science people. Science. You can’t cherry pick what some scientists tell you (on climate change for example), and ignore the rest. Science doesn’t care about what sort of voodoo you believe in. It just looks at the data.

  • elnura

    A vaccination does much of the same thing, except the vaccination introduces the disease to the kid in a much smaller dose, and doesn’t depend on the kid having a chance encounter with a life threatening disease while they’re a kid.

    This is incorrect and the myth that the Vaccine Industry and CDC continue to push.

    Vaccines suppress immunity rather than boost it. Rather than promote immunity, vaccines suppress it by confusing the immune system and altering the way it responds to
    viruses and bacteria.

    “If we look at the science of the vaccination process itself, it’s becoming evident that the way they do the immunizations — sticking it into the muscle of your arm or your leg — actually suppresses a lot of the immune system, particularly in young children,” says Dr. Blaylock. “We
    found out that, in fact, it causes the immune system to switch to what we call a TH2-type cytokine production which inhibits immunity. And your major protection
    against viruses and particularly the really virulent, deadly viruses and bacteria is your cellular immunity. Well, vaccines don’t stimulate cellular immunity at all, in fact they suppress.

    In the 80s, the specific immune mechanisms involved in vaccine-induced immunity was discerned. In the 90s, the same mechanisms in humans were explored. T cells
    (thymus cells) are the major cell in the immune system; they direct and control all immune responses as well as immune memory. Subsets of T cells are the T-helper cells (Th). T-helper cells coordinate and direct the safest and most effective immune response. Example: measles, we know that, when infected with the measles virus naturally via the nasopharyngeal route, the body produces a
    Th1 response that externalizes the infection and provides permanent immunity.1 Fever, rash, coughing, sneezing, etc are signs of the body ridding itself of this infection. Bypassing the normal body lines of defense by injecting a
    vaccine forces the immune system into an emergency-based Th2 response which serves to internalize the infection. You don’t get the disease but are
    susceptible to the disease later since the Th2 response results in poor immune memory. So, if a natural, viral (measles) infection results in a Th1 response,
    why don’t we make vaccines that could elicit the same response? (because it can’t be done)
    Dr. Russell Blaylock.

    Bedrock of vaccination theory crumbles as science reveals
    antibodies not necessary to fight viruses: http://www.naturalnews.com/z035371_vaccine_theory_antibodies_viruses.html

    Also: Inducing Antibodies does not produce immunity
    http://www.jabs.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1391

    Scientists have known at least since 2000 that the primitive concept of simply inducing antibodies does not produce immunity. The immune system is much more complex than they thought. They now know that it consists of at least two parts; the humoral and the cellular. If one is activated the other is suppressed. This was not known when vaccination first was introduced. In view of this more recent knowledge their approach has been to try and prevent the suppression, with some ghastly outcomes. If you recall the Phase I trial of TeGenero’s TGN1412 experiment last year that went horribly wrong and five young volunteers nearly died – that was a drug designed to prevent suppression of cellular immune function. LOL, when will we learn to stop playing God with the
    immune system, which is far more intelligent than any scientist.

    In view of this knowledge it surprises me that it is still claimed vaccination produces immunity.
    The following is an extract from the website of Dr Rebecca
    Carly.

    “Just because you give somebody a vaccine, and perhaps get an antibody reaction, doesn’t mean a thing. The only true antibodies, of course, are those you get naturally. What we’re doing [when we inject vaccines] is
    interfering with a very delicate mechanism that does its own thing. If nutrition is correct, it does it in the right way. Now if you insult a person in this way and try to trigger off something that nature looks after, you’re asking for all
    sorts of trouble, and we don’t believe it works.”—Glen Dettman Ph.D, interviewed by Jay Patrick, and quoted in “The Great American Deception,” Let’s Live, December 1976, p. 57.

    Scientists prove that the antibodies from vaccinations
    ARE NOT NEEDED.

    To prove this, scientists from HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL, M.I.T., MASSECHUSSETES GENEERAL, SAN RAFAELE INSTITUTE (Italy), and other institutes, co-authored and published on how they removed all antibodies from mice, leaving only B-Cells, which successfully fought off lethal viruses. This debunks vaccine manufacturers who say that vaccines are necessary to convey immunity. This suggests that repeated vaccinations could be the reason why some vaccinated people lose their natural immunities, as their body tends to unnaturally rely on temporary, antibody-based immunities.

    Immunity 2012 Mar 23; 36(3): 415-426:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3359130/pdf/nihms-377739.pdf

  • Kent Green

    I hate to be blunt, but this article is utter bullshit. If you are genuinely concerned about vaccines, then study chemistry and biology to understand how and why they work:

    https://www.khanacademy.org/science/chemistry
    https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology
    https://www.khanacademy.org/science/organic-chemistry

    Or, if that’s too much work, then just read this: http://themetapicture.com/angry-scientist-finds…/

  • ccdaddy

    Their trying to save, your children’s asses,by warning of their mistakes. Julie!

  • elnura

    The CDC has been asked for over a decade to do studies on all vaccines and a study on the health of Unvaccinated children to the health of Vaccinated but they flat out refuse saying it is unethical to not give vaccines to a child. They also say all kids have been contaminated with mercury so it would not be a clean test despite the fact that there are thousand of Amish children unvaccinated. Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never- vaccinated children. Homefirst’s medical
    director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein. There are hundreds of thousands of unvaccinated children in this country. The problem for the CDC is that such a study will show the opposite of what they have been telling the public for decades. Pertussis vaccine doesn’t work. Never has because the virus has mutated and it also sheds which causes outbreaks. Viral shedding is common in all vaccines:
    You will never look at vaccinated children the same!- Shedding Viruses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKSeiAs_A4w

    IN 2012,THE PERTUSSIS VACCINE IS KILLING KIDS AND CAUSING OUTBREAKS OF A WHOOPING COUGH SUPERBUG IN
    WAYNESVILLE NORTH CAROLINA AND OTHER CITIES. THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION REPORTS THAT THE PERTUSSIS VACCINE HAS CAUSED A WHOOPING COUGH EPIDEMIC IN VACCINATED CHILDREN IN THE UNITED STATES – GOING FROM 1,248 CASES IN 1981, TO OVER 27,410 CASES IN 2010
    http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/TSincidenceByCountry.cfm?C=USA

    In Israel, the DEFECTIVE Pertussis Vaccine did even more damage. In 1984 there were 7 cases of Pertussis, but after mass vaccinations with combination DTaP Vaccines, Pertussis (whooping cough) is at epidemic proportions, with over 1.200 cases reported in 2010, about 170 times more than 1984.

    http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tsincidencebycountry.cfm?C=ISR

    Students at Fordham University Experiencing Mumps Outbreak Even though They were Vaccinated Against It: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/students-at-fordham-university-experiencing-mumps-outbreak-even-though-they-were-vaccinated-against-it/

    FDA Pertussis Vaccine Study Shatters Illusion of Vaccine-Induced Immunity: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/fda-pertussis-vaccine-study-shatters-illusion-of-vaccine-induced-immunity/

    Whooping Cough Outbreaks Among Vaccinated Older Children Increasing
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/whooping-cough-outbreaks-among-vaccinated-older-children-increasing/

    Whooping Cough Vaccine Does Not Work – Says US FDA’s Research
    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/?s=whooping+cough

    Whooping Cough Vaccine – Doesn’t Work – GSK Says “We Never Bothered to Check” http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/whooping-cough-vaccine-doesnt-work-gsk-says-we-never-bothered-to-check/

    Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate
    model: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/11/20/1314688110

  • Coco

    Ok my 16 month old fully vaccinated breastfed daughter has never been sick. No cold, ear infection nothing. So what does that say?

  • ccdaddy

    The Net, has been wiped clean, of the most embarrassing moments in the history. Of the CDC,sending it’s representatives that testify before the Congress. And comity,perjury. He was,from ( CBER )

    Again, he was struck! to the core of his being. It took 2 women,from HHS to hold his body up,and escort him out of the Bldg. Hearing.

    If the Media, still represented the people. This night mare, would have ended the very next day. There, would have been with the right coverage. People at all levels, in the CDC FDA AAP vacating
    their offices. Hoping,that they cannot be prosecuted for their crimes against the American people! But it didn’t happen,for the same reason, that the name Poul Thorsen is not well known to the public.

    The Major Main stream Media, will not bite the hands that’s been steadily feeding them. For many decades. Since the law, had been passed,that allowed them. Big Pharma, to directly advertise to the American people. The Advertising dollars, are worth far more to the Media,than the health and well being, of the public.

  • elnura

    OMG! Another website snob. If you’ve spent any time on any of those sites or more you would have read every article has links to other websites that you pro vaccine apologist put all your faith in. Actually most of the information sites such as Vac Truth and other who expose the fraud and lies of the CDC, Pharmaceutical Industry, their band of celebrity highly paid spokes people: Dr. Proffit, Dr. Oz, Dr. Nancy Snyderman, Dr.Gupta, Dr. Timothy Johnson, Orac, and the bought anf paid for Doctors who write and support poorly designed studies, poorly written peer review papers & studies all for the almighty dollar. Included in this list should be universities, research groups and individuals paid to do studies to render specific results for the industry.

  • elnura

    You should read Dr. Ben Goldache’s book-Bad Pharma. How Drug companies Misled Doctors and harm Patients:
    He exposes the fraudulent practice of studies:

    Medicine is Broken.
    Drugs are tested by the people who manufacture them, in poorly
    designed trials, on hopelessly small numbers of weird, unrepresentative
    patients, and analyzed using techniques which are flawed by design, in such a
    way that they exaggerate the benefits of treatments. Unsurprisingly, these
    trials tend to produce results that favour the manufacturer. When trials throw
    up results that companies don’t like, they are perfectly entitled to hide them
    from doctors and patients, so we only ever see a distorted picture of any drug’s
    true effects. Regulators see most of the trial data, but only from early on in a
    drug’s life, and even then they don’t give this data to doctors or patients, or
    even to other parts of government. This distorted evidence is then communicated
    and applied in a distorted fashion. In their forty years of practice after
    leaving medical school, doctors hear about what works through ad hoc oral
    traditions, from sales reps, colleagues or journals. But those colleagues can be
    in the pay of drug companies – often undisclosed – and the journals are too. And
    so are the patient groups. And finally, academic papers, which everyone thinks
    of as objective, are often covertly planned and written by people who work
    directly for the companies, without disclosure. Sometimes whole academic
    journals are even owned outright by one drug company. Aside from all this, for
    several of the most important and enduring problems in medicine, we have no idea
    what the best treatment is, because it’s not in anyone’s financial interest to
    conduct any trials at all. These are ongoing problems, and although people have
    claimed to fix many of them, for the most part they have failed; so all these
    problems persist, but worse than ever, because now people can pretend that
    everything is fine after all.
    -This is from a pharmaceutical industry insider and
    shrill.-

  • Jesse James Richard

    This study shows that the Amish do indeed vaccinate.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21708796

  • ccdaddy

    How about you, rocket scientist! please explain how 50 something thousand ppb of mercury, Most injected, and also passed through the placenta in a child is considered safe?

  • ccdaddy

    Read my Post,and then choke, on the realty, that the American children were poisoned. By the very program, intended to keep them healthy.

  • Roxanne

    Vaccines and Death:
    Na, “DPT Vaccination and Sudden Infant Death – Tennessee, US Dept HEW, MMWR Report, Mar 23, 1979, vol 28(11): 132.
    Arevalo, “Vaccinia Necrosum. Report on a Fatal Case”, Bol Ofoc Sanit Panamer, Aug 1967, 63:106-110.
    Connolly, J H, Dick, G W, Field, CM, “A Case of Fatal Progressive Vaccinia”, Brit Med Jour, 12 May 1962; 5288:1315-1317.
    Aragona, F, “Fatal Acute Adrenal Insufficiency Caused by Bilateral Apoplexy of the Adrenal Glands (WFS) following Anti-poliomyelitis Vaccination”, Minerva Medicolegale, Aug 1960; 80:167-173.
    Moblus, G et al, “Pathological-Anatomical Findings in Cases of Death Following Poliomyelitis and DPT Vaccination”, Dtsch Gesundheitsw, Jul 20, 1972, 27:1382-1386.
    NA, “Immunizations and Cot Deaths”, Lancet, Sept 25, 1982, np.
    Goetzeler, A, “Fatal Encephalitis after Poliomyelitis Vaccination”, 22 Jun 1961, Muenchen Med Wschr, 102:1419-1422.
    Fulginiti, V, “Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, Diphtheria-Tetanus Toxoid-Pertussis Vaccination and Visits to the Doctor: Chance Association or Cause and Effect?”, Pediatr Infect Disorder, Jan-Feb 1983, 2(1): 7-11.
    Baraff, LJ, et al, “Possible Temporal Association Between Diphtheria-tetanus toxoid-Pertussis Vaccination and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome”, Pediatr Infect Disorder, Jan-Feb 1983, 2(1): 5-6.
    Reynolds, E, “Fatal Outcome of a Case of Eczema Vaccinatum”, Lancet, 24 Sept 1960, 2:684-686.
    Apostolov. et al, “Death of an Infant in Hyperthermia After Vaccination”, J Clin Path, Mar 1961, 14:196-197.
    Bouvier-Colle, MH, “Sex-Specific Differences in Mortality After High-Titre Measles Vaccination”, Rev Epidemiol Sante Publique, 1995; 43(1): 97.
    Stewart GT, “Deaths of infants after triple vaccine.”, Lancet 1979 Aug 18;2(8138):354-355.
    Flahault A, “Sudden infant death syndrome and diphtheria/tetanus toxoid/pertussis/poliomyelitis immunisation.”, Lancet 1988 Mar 12;1(8585):582-583.
    Larbre, F et al, “Fatal Acute Myocarditis After Smallpox Vaccination”, Pediatrie, Apr-May 1966, 21:345-350.
    Mortimer EA Jr, “DTP and SIDS: when data differ”, Am J Public Health 1987 Aug; 77(8):925-926.

  • Roxanne

    So please provide your long-term vaccine “safety” trials using REAL placebos and not the fake NON-INERT ones routinely used in “scientific” vaccine trials that study vaccines for carcinogenicity, mutagenic potential,
    affects on fertility, auto-immune disorders etc.

  • Joe Pierre

    Did they quantify rates of pertussis, hepatitis, measles, mumps, rubella, or varicella? Might have been worthwhile data to collect on a questionnaire.

  • Roxanne

    “Studies are increasingly pointing to the conclusion that vaccines represent a dangerous assault to the immune system leading to autoimmune diseases like Multiple Sclerosis, Lupus, Juvenile Onset Diabetes, Fibromyalgia, and Cystic Fibrosis as well as previously rare disorders like brain cancer, SIDS, childhood leukemia, autism and asthma.” Rona Zoltan MD, ‘Natural Alternatives to Vaccination’

    “There are multiple articles in the medical literature demonstrating how chronic illnesses like allergies, asthma, eczema, diabetes mellitus, lupus, multiple sclerosis, inflammatory bowel disease, ADD,/ADHD and autism all exhibit skewed production and over-activity of the TH2 arm of the immune system…”
    Lawrence B. Palevsky MD, FAACP, Pediatrician, ‘Aluminum and Vaccine Ingredients: What do we know? What don’t we know?’

    “Immunization programs against flu, measles polio etc. may actually be seeding humans with RNA to form pro-viruses which under proper conditions become activated and cause a variety of diseases including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lupus erythematosus, Parkinson’s disease and cancer… Spare me this ‘medical miracle’!”
    Dr. Robert W. Simpson, former, Professor of Virology, Rutgers University

    “Since the routine vaccines introduce live viruses and other highly antigenic material into the blood, it is difficult to escape the conclusion that a significant harvest of autoimmune diseases will automatically result.”
    Richard Moscowitz MD, ‘The Case against Immunizations’

    “…immunization against relatively harmless childhood diseases may be responsible for the dramatic increase in autoimmune diseases…such as cancer, leukemia, rheumatoid arthritis, M.S. Lou Gehrig’s disease (ALS), lupus erythematosus and Gullian-Barre.”
    Robert S. Mendelsohn MD, Professor of Pediatrics, University of Illinios, ‘The Medical Time Bomb of Immunization Against

  • TimWebb

    I would trust the opinion of retired neurologist Dr Russell Blaylock over yours any day of the week. ( See his various postings on YouTube for details. ) He has shown, after extensive study of the literature, that vaccine adjuvants of all sorts trigger the microglia to release what he describes as “cytokine storms”. These then damage the adjacent neurons which they are supposed to protect. The microglia also release aspartic acid, which is pivotal to the normal developmental migration of neurons in the infantile brain. Thus, indiscriminately released, the brain develops abnormally, as parents constantly report following vaccination of their children.
    But of course, you will know all of this already because of your study of “chemistry and biology”.
    One wonders therefore why you have not mentioned it.
    I see from your picture that you are now able to count up to five.
    Well done.
    When you have further progressed to knowing something about immunology too, come back, and we can have an informed discussion about these matters.

  • Roxanne

    Vaccines are being implicated in a slew of conditions ranging from SIDS, seizures, ear infections, allergies, eczema, hearing disorders, visual disorders such as optic neuritis, asthma, diabetes,neurological disorders, seizures, kidney problems, cancer, auto-immune conditions etc. that give
    a truly frightening perspective on the damage this outdated, toxic, immune system violating modality is capable of.

  • Roxanne

    Here are just a few “mild” vaccine reactions that offer true perspective:

    Vaccines and Brain Swelling:

    Iwasa, S et al, “Swelling of the Brain in Mice Caused by Pertussis … Quantitative Determination and the Responsibility of the Vaccine”, Jpn J Med Sci Biol, 1985 , 38(2):53-65.

    Mathur R, Kumari S, “Bulging fontanel following triple vaccine.” Indian Pediatr 1981 Jun;18(6):417-418.

    Barry W, Lenney W, Hatcher G, “Bulging fontanelles in infants without meningitis.” Arch Dis Child 1989 Apr;64(4):635-636.

    Shendurnikar N, “Bulging fontanel following DPT” Indian Pediatr 1986 Nov;23(11):960.

    Gross TP, Milstien JB, Kuritsky JN, “Bulging fontanelle after immunization with diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine and diphtheria-tetanus vaccine.” J Pediatr 1989 Mar;114(3):423-425.

    Jacob J, Mannino F, “Increased intracranial pressure after diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis immunization.” Am J Dis Child 1979 Feb;133(2):217-218.

    Dugmore, WN, “Bilateral Oedema at the Posterior Pole. Hypersensitivity Reaction to Alavac P injection.” Br J Ophthalmol, Dec 1972, 55:848-849.

    Vaccines and Neurological Damage

    Nedar P R, and Warren, R J, “Reported Neurological Disorders Following Live Measles Vaccine”, 1968, Ped, 41:997-1001.

    Paradiso, G et al, “Multifocal Demyelinating Neuropathy after Tetanus Vaccine”, Medicina (B Aires), 1990, 50(1):52-54.

    Landrigan, PJ, Whitte, J, “Neurologic Disorders Following Live Measles-virus Vaccination”, JAMA, Mar 26, 1973, v223(13):1459-1462.

    Turnbull, H M, “Encephalomyelitis Following Vaccination”, Brit Jour Exper Path, 7:181, 1926.

    Kulenkampff, M et al, “Neurological Complications of Pertussis Inoculation”, Arch Dis Child, 1974, 49:46.

    Strom, J, “Further Experience of Reactions, Especially of a Cerebral Nature in Conjunction with Triple Vaccination”, Brit Med Jour, 1967, 4:320-323.

    Berg, J M, “Neurological Complications of Pertussis Immunization,” Brit Med Jour, July 5,1958; p 24.

    Bondarev, VN et al, “The Changes of the Nervous System in Children After Vaccination”, Pediatria, Jun 1969; 48:20-24.

    Badalian, LO, “Vaccinal Lesions of the Nervous System in Children,” Vop Okhr Materin Dets, Dec 1959, 13:54-59

    Lorentz, IT, et al, “Post-Vaccinal Sensory Polyneuropathy with Myoclonus”, Proc Aust Ass Neurol, 1969, 6:81-86.

    Trump, R C, White, T R, “Cerebellar Ataxia Presumed Due To Live Attenuated Measles Virus Vaccine,” JAMA, 1967, 199:165-166.

    Allerdist, H, “Neurological Complications Following Measles Vaccination”, Inter Symp, Brussels, 1978, Development Biol Std, Vol 43, 259-264.

    Finley, K H, “Pathogenesis of Encephalitis Occurring With Vaccination, Variola and Measles, Arch Neur and Psychologist, 1938; 39:1047-1054.

    Froissart, M et al, “Acute Meningoencephalitis Immediately after an Influenza Vaccination”, Lille Med, Oct 1978, 23(8):548-551.

    Pokrovskaia, Nia, et al, “Neurological Complications in Children From Smallpox Vaccination”, Pediatriia, Dec 1978, (12):45-49.

    Allerdist, H, “Neurological Complications Following Measles Virus Vaccination. Evaluation of the Cases seen Between 1971-1977″, Monatsschr Kinderheilkd, Jan 1979, 127(1): 23-28.

    Ehrengut, W et al, “On Convulsive Reactions Following Oral vaccination Against Polio”, Klin Paediatr, May 1979, 191(3):261-270.

    Naumova, R P, et al, “Encephalitis Developing After Vaccination without a Local Skin Reaction”, Vrach Delo, Jul 1979, (7):114-115.

    Goswamy, BM, “Neurological Complications After Smallpox Vaccination”, J Ass Phys India, Jan 1969, 17:41-43.

    Schchelkunov, SN et al, “The Role of Viruses in the Induction of Allergic Encephalomyelitis,” Dokl Akad Nauk SSSR, 1990,315(1):252-255. [Vaccines contain viruses, too]

    Walker AM, “Neurologic events following diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunization,” Pediatrics 1988 Mar;81(3):345-349.

    Shields WD, et al, “Relationship of pertussis immunization to the onset of neurologic disorders: a retrospective epidemiologic study,” J Pediatr 1988 Nov; 113(5):801-805.

    Wilson J, “Proceedings: Neurological complications of DPT inoculation in infancy,” Arch Dis Child 1973 Oct; 48(10):829-830.

    Iakunin IuA, “[Nervous system complications in children after preventive vaccinations],” Pediatriia 1968 Nov; 47(11):19-26. [Article in Russian]

    Greco D, et al, “Case-control study on encephalopathy associated with diphtheria-tetanus immunization in Campania, Italy,” Bull World Health Organ 1985;63(5):919-925.

    Ehrengut W at Institute of Vaccinology and Virology, Hamburg, Germany states, “Bias in the evaluation of CNS complications following pertussis immunization are the following: 1) Notifications of post-immunization adverse events, 2) Publications by vaccine producers on the frequency of adverse reactions, 3) Comparison of permanent brain damage after DPT and DT immunization, 4) Pro-immunization, 5) Immunization associated viral encephalitis, 6) Accuracy of statistics, 7) Personal. A review of these points indicates an underestimation of CNS complications after pertussis immunization.”

    Reference: Ehrengut W, “Bias in evaluating CNS complications following pertussis immunization.” Acta Paediatr Jpn, 1991 Aug; 33(4):421-427.

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  • guest

    …or a victim, but ignores the truth..

  • Roxanne

    Hi Julie, I know more than a handful of families who have both vaccinated and vaccine free children and no, they didn’t change their lifestyles in any significant way. They simply
    learned the hard way what vaccine damage can do, and saw the subsequent difference in children they had thereafter who
    they didn’t vaccinate and were far healthier and robust… Even if there are some families who might adjust their diets etc., all the children – both vaccinated and vaccine-free – would presumably reap the same benefits which should show in the health of all of them.

  • ccdaddy

    WOW! what’s not unbelievable here,is the fact that you are either an Idiot or a shill. You chose!

  • Sugarlarry

    Here’s a start:

    http://www.vaccinateyourbaby.org/safe/research.cfm

    Keep in mind that these are scientific studies. Note that I’m not using quotes because they’re done by real scientists, and reviewed by real scientists, not merely passionate amateurs who are trying to sell you the latest cure-all.

    The fact of the matter is that human lifespans have greatly increased over the past 150 years due to advances in medicine. All of the old “natural” remedies were either bunk, or if not actual bunk, not yet refined into effective medical tools.

  • guest

    Excellent responses!
    People almost say: show me proof!! which to me seems like saying: give me a million dollars! If you want proof, educate yourselves!! it’s free!!! You want to get rich, get to work!! (there are treasures of KNOWLEDGE out there) this isn’t a fairy tale where you just rub a magic lamp and get your wish!! Some of us actually spent several ours investigating for OURSELVES, one does NOT need scientific evidence, it’s called COMMON SENSE, very few ppl seem to have it today…

  • Roxanne

    Hang tight. People are heavily indoctrinated by fear and propaganda.
    Injecting a child with thimerosal etc. (found in the flu shot) is what is monstrous. The flu death stats that are peddled are bogus and manipulated. You are simply defending your child’s right to develop a normal, healthy immune system. Please consider getting Neil Miller’s book ‘The Vaccine Safety Manuel’ which is a real eye opener with over 1,000 safety studies cited. Also check out the *studies link at thinktwice.com and google the article ‘Five Reasons to Avoid the Flu Shot’ by vaccine researcher Joel Lord. Also, you may want to get Dr. Bachmair’s book ‘Vaccine-free…’
    If you are breastfeeding, eating an excellent mineral and vitamin rich diet
    etc., you are blessing your child with the best chance to develop a strong
    immune system.

  • TimWebb

    You really are a prize ignoramus.
    ALL of the vaccine studies printed in major-league scientific journals reveal financial links to the drug companies whose products are being lauded therein. If you do not know this, then there really is no place for you in a grown-up conversation.
    ALL of the diseases for which vaccines are given were already in terminal decline at the point when the vaccine was introduced.
    The only exception to this rule could be the rabies virus, which remains an intractable problem unless vaccination is considered.
    ALL of the diseases so treated respond far better to improved sanitation and nutrition. If you do not know this, then you are a clown of the direst stripe. Indeed, you implicitly accept this fact by admitting that a consultation with a homeopathic practitioner may well yield salutary benefits; thus the question is being begged; ie why give a vaccine when all anyone needs is advice on diet and sanitation?
    “Yes, vaccines sometimes have side-effects”.
    The recent polio vaccination programme in India has left 48,000 persons paralysed or damaged in some way.
    How do you sleep.

  • guest

    common sense!!!

  • Roxanne

    Coco, I’m glad your daughter is healthy and hope she grow
    up to be a healthy child and adult. No two people are alike, nor are their constitutions, and how they’ll react to things… However, here is the thing: Most vaccine damage is long-term. If a child later develops – God forbid – a visual or hearing problem, allergies, asthma, diabetes, cancer or auto-immune condition, how many parents are even aware that vaccination may have caused or contributed to the situation? (studies linking)
    Today, we see far more vaccines given than in just some
    decades back. As someone who has dealt professionally
    with children for many years, I can certainly state that today’s kids are far more sickly than I’ve ever seen them, and while vaccines may not be the only factor, given that we violate a newborn’s yet undeveloped blood-brain barrier (a huge assault), with the Hep B vaccine and a slew to soon follow, it would be sheer folly not to question the massive toll this could be taking on both short and long-term health.

  • TimWebb

    Your stupidity beggars belief.
    I clearly remember, when studying the History of Medicine as a side-course at the University of Edinburgh, how surprised I was to be informed by the lecturer that every improvement in the public health over the last hundred or more years was to do not with “medical science”, so-called, but because of improvements in sanitation and nutrition. Thus we see the recent outbreak of polio in Syria, secondary to the destruction of sanitary infrastructure by the western-backed “freedom fighters”.

  • guest

    A word of advise for those of you who want PROOF that vaccines are harmful. Put your kids or family members (or friends) to the test, analyze those who do or don’t vaccinate from birth, and after a few years, (or even months) You let me know who turns out healthier!!! and please please let others know about your results!!

  • Rich

    Dr Russell Blaylock also believes in chemtrails and that Obamacare is a front from a massive euthanasia program. Seriously. He believes that.

  • Rich

    Yes, lets not let ‘science’ get in the way a scientific debate.

  • TimWebb

    It is also a fact that most outbreaks of allegedly vaccine-preventable disease occur in fully, or mostly, vaccinated populations.
    The reason for this is simple, and I have given the link above.
    Vaccines, it seems, destroy the CD8 memory T-cell population. These cells cross-react with all types of virus or bacterium known to cause a particular disease. But any given vaccine only contains a limited subset of all the potentially disease-causing viruses or bacteria. So, the antibodies generated in response to the injection also form a limited subset. But because the T cells are destroyed by the vaccine, the body can now no longer respond to similar organisms which were not in the vaccine but which are present in the environment; the individual therefore rapidly succumbs to the very condition he was vaccinated against.
    The recent case of Piers Morgan going down with the flu after Dr Oz vaccinated him against it is a classic case of this phenomenon in action.
    Also, please remember that at least 60% of all vaccines are contaminated with pestivirus, as Dr Russell Blaylock has stated in one of his YouTube presentations. This is partly because the majority are now manufactured in China, over which the FDA has extremely limited jurisdiction. Obviously, of course, this situation is extraordinarily hazardous, both politically and in terms of the public health, but it gives the FDA “plausible deniability”, which is the real reason for the anomaly.
    Pestivirus is a cattle virus which causes abortion in man.
    This, as Bill Gates has let slip publicly, is the primary reason for the vaccination agenda.
    The powers that be are unequivocal in their belief that world population is excessive, and must be reduced by any available means.
    Pandemic miscarriage is one approach to the perceived population problem; another approach involves the removal of protection against cancer with which the CD8 cells are also tasked; both of these approaches ultimately result in a shrinking population, but obviously, this will only occur in the ranks of the uninformed, several of whom have displayed themselves on this site today.

  • TimWebb

    I think that you can say exactly that.
    “Unvaccinated children are healthier than vaccinated ones”.
    There. I’ve said it.
    And both the German and NZ studies quoted above confirm the assertion.
    A big part of this has to be that no-one is going to achieve health if they are full of mercury, aluminium, Tween80, pestivirus, retroviral fragments, formaldehyde, and MSG.
    Perhaps you think differently.
    But for the sake of your children, I hope not.

  • guest

    I have 4 fully vaccinated, breastfed healthy children….one, a 28 week preemie who has never been sick either. We were told he would average 4 hospital stays a year due to lung disease, have asthma, learning problems etc.(he is now 13 years old) I’m not pro or con vaccine….can’t we just each make our own informed decision for what is best for OUR children without being put on a guilt trip? This study does not hold much weight…I could give a list of questions to my circle of friends and I’m sure the results would be much different. Any survey can be made to have the results you want it to have. I understand the reasoning behind vaccinating….I’ve heard the horror stories of people living with Polio, mumps, small pox….we don’t see these anymore….wonder why?

  • LeAnn Addleman

    But that’s just what big pharma has done. They think the populace is much too uneducated to figure out that their science has done more harm not only to children but many adults and seniors as well with their drugs and vaccines. Don’t let science get in the way of seeing the elephant in the room.

  • Kent Green

    Actually, I’m doing this: http://youtu.be/a-vxn0t7KIQ, controlling a computer with my EEG headset, using the electrical signals in my brain. It’s an on-going project, though. You see, I’m not a retired neurologist, I am *presently* a neurology student, however. With that, let’s talk a little about cytokines.

    Cytokines are a specialized type of hormone, which the body uses to signal immune response. A cytokine storm is a disorder in which the immune system gets stuck in a chemical feedback loop, not unlike placing a microphone too close to a loudspeaker, except the reaction is chemical rather then auditory. These storms can happen when the immune system responds very aggressively to an actual or perceived infection (i.e. allergies) and if the reaction is strong enough can result in symptoms as extreme as cutting off breathing.

    Still with me? Great. So what a vaccine does is it exposes the body, in a controlled manner, to a weak or dead form of a virus (depending on the specific vaccine); basically it’s like sending your immune system to basic training instead of dropping them straight into live combat.

    Like real soldiers, your immune system trains on these weakened viruses, and learns how to identify and combat the real thing, with a *much* lower risk of your body becoming overcome by the virus or your immune system panicking into a cytokine storm. Of course, keeping with our training metaphor, that training (and vaccine) must be created and administered properly by someone who understands it for it to remain both safe and effective.

    Maybe you don’t agree with me, perhaps you think I’m ignorant and/or dishonest, but there’s a simple solution to that: GO AND LEARN what you are talking about, for example, chemistry and biology.

    Sources:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm#Cause

  • lagin

    Yes, let’s believe the “studies” of those who make profit from vaccinations.

  • lagin

    “am *presently* a neurology student” So Basically a nobody compared to Dr Russell Blaylock

  • lagin

    That’s because your “science” crushes any “scientific proof” of natural medicine.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Actually, enura is right. Vaccines do suppress the immune system. Newborn babies don’t have strong immune systems, so injecting them with viruses and toxic chemicals can be particularly dangerous. That’s why so many of those babies have such dangerous side effects from the vaccines early on. Some of them don’t make it, they die within a few days or weeks, usually enough time to make it look like it’s something else. Get ahold of a vaccine insert and read the “possible” side effects.
    I can’t imagine anyone thinking that a 2 month old baby can benefit from getting 7, 8 or sometimes 9 vaccines in one visit to the doctor. Check out the ingredients in the vaccines. Common sense goes a long way when you take the time to get informed.

  • lagin

    My friends who havn’t vaccinated their children have the healthiest children I know.

  • Kent Green

    And what does that make you exactly?

    Besides, as I keep saying, you don’t have to take my word for it, you can learn for yourself. If you can’t be bothered to actually learn how biology and chemistry works that’s your own damn fault.

  • lagin

    You got owned

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Just a suggestion. Why don’t you go to the doctor and tell him you’d like to be injected with 10 vaccines at one time and come back and tell us how you feel. Newborns can’t do that.

  • BPRichard

    It takes only a tiny bit of common sense and research to figure out that the anti-vaccine movement harms far more children than vaccines ever have.

    Thanks to your irrational, wildly irresponsible paranoia, we’re seeing a return of childhood killers like whooping cough, diphtheria and measles which had been all but eradicated for decades.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Yes, you are blunt, not to mention naive.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Well that would make his scope of intelligence abit larger than yours.

  • Sugarlarry

    You don’t have to take your kid in to have them done all at once. Break them up if you want.

    Yes, some kids might have a few crappy side affects. And a tiny fraction might have severe, even fatal reactions. BUT as bad as this is, it is far better than what people use to face from these diseases.

    Well… except that they are coming back in areas where people are ignoring science and listening to sites like Natural News, which is pseudo-science.

  • Kent Green

    If you understood chemistry, you would know that chlorine is a toxic gas, and sodium is a metal that burns (can even explode) in contact with water. Yet put these two fatal chemicals together, and you get Sodium Chloride, that is, common table salt. You need it to live, though too much can kill you it doesn’t kill you the way chlorine or sodium does.

    Mercury is *not* and never has been injected as part of a vaccine; you’re thinking of Therimsol, which is no longer used in most vaccines but is a preservative. Thermisol is a chemical compound that includes the element mercury, hence the semi-understandable confusion, but the difference is that while this chemically-bound Mercury is eliminated in the body entirely in about two weeks, pure Mercury is extremely difficult for the body to get rid of and highly toxic.

    Also, thanks to Kerbal Space Program, your insult is ironic in that I have designed rockets that land on and return from the moon. I’ll admit this is easier in many ways then what NASA did, but the basic physics are still there too. Even *YOU* could learn how to do it, but only if you can let go of your ignorance.

    You don’t have to take my word for it, though; you can go out and study chemistry and biology for yourself. Ignorance doesn’t trump knowledge.

    P.S. If this is a double-post, apologies, my first response appeared to get eaten by the interwebs. :-P

    Sources:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_chloride
    https://kerbalspaceprogram.com/

  • LeAnn Addleman

    And I guess you missed the part about who was effected by the outbreaks of whooping cough and other diseases that seem to be re-emerging? The vaccinated!!! And if you really did some reading you would have found out that many of these diseases were already on the decline before the introduction of the vaccines because of cleaner water, sanitation and better nutrition. Only difference now is that the diseases have mutated and in many cases are much more deadly.
    It’s not my unvaccinated child you need to be afraid of. It’s your own paranoia.

  • Sugarlarry

    You can’t say “science” in this case. It’s real science, as opposed to an anti-vaccine organization asking some people some questions and calling that science.

    Science is a rigorous process with lots of checks and balances. Sometimes they get it wrong, but mostly not. And so far as we can tell… vaccines are significantly better than they are bad.

    Same goes for modern medicine. Here is a very simple chart which illustrates how much human lifespans have increased over the past 2000 years.

    http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/life-expectancy-throughout-history-long-trend.gif

    Natural medicine was the medicine of choice for roughly the first 1800 years. Note the change when modern medicine started to take off.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Hi Kent,

    Thanks for sharing your opinion.

    You also might want to research, a bit more, on why adjuvants are considered a necessary component in vaccines and their potential affects are on the body – especially in young children.

    Here are just a few examples:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23576057
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22235042
    http://lup.sagepub.com/content/18/13/1217

    Looking at the potential effects a vaccine may have on the body is not black and white (i.e. immunology). There are many disciplines involved such as neurology, immunology, pathology, epidemiology, biochemistry, toxicology, virology, bacteriology, physiology, etc.

    What is suggested by public health officials is a 1-size-fits-all vaccine program. Just take a moment and think about it for a moment – vaccines are considered a drug by the FDA.

    Lastly, taking a basic course in genetics or biology is not necessarily required for a mother or father to recognize we do not all have the same genetic make-up. Common sense would suggest otherwise.

  • BPRichard

    Nope. Here’s what actually happens: When an article like this gets shared often enough, it starts to catch the eyes of folks who don’t buy into the ideology within which it was written. And when the thesis of the article is so obviously false as this one’s is, there are a lot of us who feel the need to come to the source and point out what a load of bullshit it is.

    That’s how I came here: an acquaintance shared this article on Facebook, and I just had to look at this nonsense for myself, and the next thing you know I was in the comments trying to correct some of the wild misconceptions being presented here.

    But of course, I’m probably just one of the “government trolls” who have infiltrated the internet. Because, y’know, that’s totally a thing that’s actually happening, and definitely not just a silly paranoid conspiracy theory.

  • BPRichard

    Vaccines absolutely WILL prevent those diseases, which is why they’ve made a comeback since this foolish anti-vaccine craze took hold a decade ago.

  • Guest

    Another Facebook born Einstein.. Coming from somebody who actually invests in companies, bio/nano/etc., I suggest you keep to the books. In your travel you will learn much more and additionally see that some of the things you learned in school are either misleading, or simply erroneous. The major debate is what the vaccines are made of. And certain things that they are made of actually hurt developing infants. For example, did you know that mercury ions, when introduced to the body, collapse and render brain neurons useless. The end result? I’m sure you know the result. Anyways, you have much to learn, yet truly inexperienced to weigh in on this subject. But I do wish you the best of luck without any pun.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    A few crappy side affects? Is that what you call seizures, high pitch screaming for hours on end, SIDS, rashes, cancer, death, autism, etc. If it was your child who suffered from any one of these you would think differently. We are just beginning to see the long term affects of the ingredients in vaccines. I just suggested that you volunteer to be a lab rat.

  • nypbbob

    Coming from somebody who actually invests in companies, bio/nano/etc. performs extensive due diligence, and employs some of the greatest minds in the world over the years, I suggest you keep to the books. In your travel you will learn much more and additionally see that some of the things you learned in school are either misleading, or simply erroneous. The major debate is what the vaccines are made of. And certain things that they are made of actually hurt developing infants. For example, did you know that mercury ions, when introduced to the body, collapse and render brain neurons useless. The end result? I’m sure you know the result. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the answer. So, Your theory regarding the boot camp scenario has been debunked. And this is one of only many scenarios which render your boot camp scenario useless. Anyway, you have much to learn, a bit inexperienced to weigh in on this subject. Everybody on Facebook is an Einstein. Don’t follow the crowd. Not only will you make more money, but you’ll also inherit a gift not many possess— the ability to look at both sides and debunk it all until you have an actual solution. I do wish you the best of luck without any pun.

  • nypbbob

    What’s your take on Paul Thorsen?

  • Julie

    Well I can assure you that calling me a troll and ignorant will not sway my decision where me and my children are concerned. You can make your decision based on your beliefs, education and research, and I will make mine the same. I respectfully will not call you stupid, and it won’t hurt my feelings when you do it to me. I am all for intelligent discussion, but not for petty name calling and insult. I never once said that vaccinated or unvaccinated children are or aren’t healthier, my problem with the article is that until you compare apples to apples you cannot say “without a doubt” that is the case. I can assure you I am neither irresponsible nor uneducated in life or in parenting and until someone responds with a valid study then I stand on the belief that I will continue to vaccinate my children, and those with awful grammar and name calling certainly won’t change my mind.

  • nypbbob

    ThSUGARLARRY SAID “the fact of the matter is that human lifespans have greatly increased over the past 150 years due to advances in medicine. All of the old “natural” remedies were either bunk, or if not actual bunk, not yet refined into effective medical tools….”

    LMFAO….. Another Facebook Einstein has been born… hahhaaa

  • nypbbob

    Try this, and the embedded videos… Video direct from a senior house oversight committee.. the testimony is damaging… Not to mention the info that came out through freedom of information requests to the cdc. Look it up. It take five minutes.

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/video-highlights-from-first-congressional-hearing-on-autism-in-10-years/

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    It takes even a bit more common sense to research dying from measles decreased over 95% before a vaccine was introduced.

    Page 85: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf

    It is even more irresponsible to believe that the number of vaccines a child receives somehow equates to a “strong” immune system. It’s quite the opposite, really.

    Immune tolerance lost.

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1200850#t=articleTop

    “RESULTS

    We compared 277 children, 4 to 12 years of age, who were PCR-positive for pertussis with 3318 PCR-negative controls and 6086 matched controls. PCR-positive children were more likely to have received the fifth DTaP dose earlier than PCR-negative controls (P<0.001) or matched controls (P=0.005). Comparison with PCR-negative controls yielded an odds ratio of 1.42 (95% confidence interval, 1.21 to 1.66), indicating that after the fifth dose of DTaP, the odds of acquiring pertussis increased by an average of 42% per year."

  • The_sheesh

    I know they do, I was trying to see if ChickShow could actually back up all his claims, even though I know there is no research that shows what he is saying.

  • nmcard

    excellent! I love knowing people are aware and awakening to this insanity also!

  • nmcard

    meh, i have done the research already. If you cared enough you would do it yourself, but its YOU who wants others to do the work for YOU.

  • Jamesmom

    I have three kids–two vaccinated, the third unvaccinated. The oldest has autism, severe digestive issues and GERD, a headache that lasted 2 1/2 years until we realized it was a gluten allergy, and is always sick with a cold or some illness. One cold leads into the other endlessly. The second child has so many food allergies that there are relatively few things she can eat. The third is hardly ever sick, can eat whatever she wants, and is by far the healthiest. Count me as another anecdote.

  • Melissa Marino

    Regardless of the comments on this article about the health risks (or lack thereof) of vaccinations, it is very important to be careful when reading ANYTHING on the internet.

    This website is called “Truthvac.com- your child, your choice.” If you look on the homepage of this website, you will find these three articles front and center.

    “Discover how many vaccines will be injected into your child before they go to kindergarten.”

    “Vaccine Safety
    Did you know vaccines are pharmaceutical drugs? Vaccines have serious adverse reactions which may shock you.”

    “Vaccine Ingredients
    Learn what toxic ingredients and dangerous biological agents your doctor injects into your child.”
    This website is obviously biased. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it is vital that you make sure your information is coming from valid and reliable resources- scholarly journals, original studies (after checking who conducted the survey; I have read surveys from different sources citing entirely conflicting information), and non-fiction books are good places to look!
    ~From a college student who has grown up with the internet and sees numerous advertisements and political campaigns masquerading as “articles” every day

  • Kent Green

    I stand corrected in that regard, and applaud you for an intelligent and reasoned response.

    In light of my errors, however; I still believe that in general vaccines are critically important and a positive health initiative; and that while there are exceptions to every rule, these have to be determined on a case-by-case basis, rather then a condemnation of all vaccines outright.

    As always, when in doubt; read, study and learn rather then simply taking another person’s statements as fact.

  • Melissa Marino

    Regardless of the comments on this article about the health risks (or lack thereof) of vaccinations, it is very important to be careful when reading ANYTHING on the internet.

    This website is called “Truthvac.com- your child, your choice.” If you look on the homepage of this website, you will find these three articles front and center.

    “Discover how many vaccines will be injected into your child before they go to kindergarten.”

    “Vaccine Safety
    Did you know vaccines are pharmaceutical drugs? Vaccines have serious adverse reactions which may shock you.”

    “Vaccine Ingredients
    Learn what toxic ingredients and dangerous biological agents your doctor injects into your child.”

    This website is obviously biased. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it is vital that you make sure your information is coming from valid and reliable resources- scholarly journals, original studies (after checking who conducted the survey; I have read surveys from different sources citing entirely conflicting information), and non-fiction books are good places to look!

    ~From a college student who has grown up with the internet and sees numerous advertisements and political campaigns masquerading as “articles” every day.

  • Sugarlarry

    I am a “lab rat”. All of my vaccinations are up-to-date.

    Again… there are side effects, but the worst are very few in number. Go look at these stats which have been compiled since the late ’80′s. According to this, there have been fewer than 1200 deaths for all vaccines issued over a nearly 30 year period. So when you consider the hundreds of millions of vaccines given out… that’s a pretty low number. (Though still 1200 too high)

    And these hundreds of millions of vaccinations have likely saved many tens of thousands of lives, and a huge amount of suffering.

    Finally. Repeat after me… vaccines do not cause autism. They just don’t. It was a lie started by a guy looking to make a greasy buck. It has been disproven countless times, and the alleged increase in autism has everything to do with the fact that they no diagnose it where before they didn’t. 30 years ago, the average kid with autsim would have been diagnosed as “quirky”. Or “lazy”. Or “retarded”.

    Stop believing stuff you read on the internet that has no science behind it.

  • nmcard

    J Natl Cancer Inst. 1999 Jan 20;91

    Cell and Molecular Biology of SV40: implications for human infections and disease

    from: The Journal of the Natl Cancer Institute

    Abstract

    Simian virus 40 (SV40), a polyomavirus of rhesus macaque origin, was discovered in 1960 as a contaminant of polio vaccines that were distributed to millions of people from 1955 through early 1963. SV40 is a potent DNA tumor virus that induces tumors in rodents and transforms many types of cells in culture, including those of human origin. This virus has been a favored laboratory model for mechanistic studies of molecular processes in eukaryotic cells and of cellular transformation. The viral replication protein, named large T antigen (T-ag), is also the viral oncoprotein. There is a single serotype of SV40, but multiple strains of virus exist that are distinguishable by nucleotide differences in the regulatory region of the viral genome and in the part of the T-ag gene that encodes the protein’s carboxyl terminus. Natural infections in monkeys by SV40 are usually benign but may become pathogenic in immunocompromised animals, and multiple tissues can be infected. SV40 can replicate in certain types of simian and human cells. SV40-neutralizing antibodies have been detected in individuals not exposed to contaminated polio vaccines. SV40 DNA has been identified in some normal human tissues, and there are accumulating reports of detection of SV40 DNA and/or T-ag in a variety of human tumors. This review presents aspects of replication and cell transformation by SV40 and considers their implications for human infections and disease pathogenesis by the virus. Critical assessment of virologic and epidemiologic data suggests a probable causative role for SV40 in certain human cancers

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9923853

  • nmcard

    I too was forced to have vaccinations as a child and I was sick ALL the time. I had lung issues, bronchitis, pneumonia almost constantly until I was about ten. Then at about ten, I had severe unexplained allergies through high school. Its only common sense that vaccinations are damaging the immune system and all these vaccine proponents should be held criminally responsible… and when enough
    information has been formulated, which is coming soon thanks to this information age, then they will be held liable and accountable for the irreversible damage they are doing on the human population.

  • ccdaddy

    If you can read,what I wrote, about those Idiots! who are responsible, for vaccine safety.And still, want to vaccinate, your own child,what do you want, me to think of you. Great mom!

  • ccdaddy

    What science? the IOM was given orders, by the CDC to not find causation. How is that,considered science?

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Sure –

    And, if you look at what the lion’s share of the vaccine program is based on it is the polio outbreak of 1952.

    I would ask for your consideration on the following:

    1. It is well known outbreaks of acute flaccid paralysis were associated with milk.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=IcpHAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=poliomyelitis+was+reported+Jubb,+1915&source=bl&ots=u10HzYLSQV&sig=7PcLtPr0cFPvbNSPE6Y5DNNObhw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=e-QPU9i_H5HlygGevoHoCg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=poliomyelitis%20was%20reported%20Jubb%2C%201915&f=false

    2. This particular outbreak was shortly after WWII. The significance is massive pesticide (Heptachlor, Aldrin, Dieldrin, DDT, etc) spraying programs in the US and other parts of the world. These chemicals were developed and manufactured in massive amounts because they served as a dual purpose: anti-personnel weapons (CBW).

    http://harpub.tk/overview.htm

    3. The dollars spent and pounds sprayed per year directly correlate to the number of “polio” cases (of course, this does not prove causation).

    4. Some of the same companies that developed the pesticides (Ciba-Geigy, now Novartis Pharmaceuticals, Merck, etc) are now vaccine manufacturers.

    Source: Patent No. 2,329,074

    5. The aforementioned pesticides were not well studied in regards to their affect on human beings, the environment, and other mammals. As an example, after it was discovered there may be adverse affects from the pesticides, the USGOVT paid farmers through the Dairy Indemnity Program for contaminated milk, forcing the farmers to dump it before the milk made it to the market. This is prima fascie evidence it was doing harm.

    Source: Dairy Indemnity Payments. 90th Congress, 1st Session. Senate Report 476. August 3, 1967.

    Source: Dairy Indemnity Payments. 90th Congress, 2nd Session. Senate Report 1363. July 8, 1968.

    6. Pesticides are listed as differential diagnosis for acute flaccid paralysis. HOWEVER, in “official” vaccine literature, the organochloride pesticides are strangely absent.

    Source: Plotkin, S., Orenstein, W.;Vaccines, 4th edition. p. 657, Table 25-2.; 2004.

  • nmcard

    You do realize that the United States National Library of Medicine is on-line (on “the internet”, gasp!!) at pubmed.gov , right? Which is entirely composed of these scholarly journals you mention. Not to mention, ‘google scholar’ has hundreds of thousands of medical journal entries. We no longer need to go to the outdated dusty library to do medical research, the internet is completely rich with ‘reliable scholarly journals’ (if you want to call them that) AND everyone with eyes to read can see all the research themselves if they care to take the time to look.

  • IHateArgus

    Kent, thank you for being cordial when debating on this website. I agree that we all need to educate ourselves and you are right when you say ignorance doesn’t trump knowledge. You bring up some good points. I just wanted to say than you for not coming on here and blatantly insulting people’s intelligence who are just trying to learn more. People like Argus, Jim Bob and AQ just want to stir up conflict. Even though I’m kinda I the other side of the fence, I thank you anyway brother.

  • IHateLarry

    Can you give me peer reviewed evidence that you in fact don’t smoke pharm -pole? Science Sugar Larry, science. I want the science that you have never gobbled pharma-knob. Until we get that, you have no credibility. Keep smoking Sugar

  • IHateLarry

    Where is the science Larry?

  • IHateLarry

    Where Larry? I’m waiting. Also, while you are at it, gives us scientific evidence as to why you are so close minded. Keep drinking the fluoridated water and please keep getting vaccinated and hopefully your gene poll can be removed from society. Just kidding,I love you Larry, I don’t care wha they say about you.

  • IHateLarry

    But where is your scientific evidence I’ve asked for Larry?

  • nmcard

    And I guess its unimaginable that ‘science’ can be bought and skewed, right? The great mock science cult has got to go!

    How about the cell line contamination (HeLa cells, SV40, BK virus, JC virus etc) that this ‘all mighty science’ some deem as god is built on?

    Just look at pubmed.gov for all the ‘scientific journal proof’ you would ever need to prove vaccines are not only damaging people but are actually propagating cancer and disease globally.
    Need a starting point? follow the work of Dr. Nelson-Rees or Michele Carbone or the above cancer causing viruses introduced by vaccines.

  • IHateLarry

    How many pharma peers reviewed you smoking pharma-pole, or did they not? We don’t know cause you have not brought forth peer reviewed scientific evidence. And it MUST be peer reviewed. Not that Wikipedia crap you like to post

  • Melissa Marino

    Of course, one of the resources I listed was scholarly journals. I’m just saying that you have to be careful and critical about where you’re getting your information. No need for sarcasm, we’re both on the same side here :)

  • nmcard

    forgive me if i sounded sarcastic. my response was fueled by a previous conversation of a similar composition and my point to you came across a little harsher than intended.

  • Lucas Noble

    I have a question for everyone. I have a 2 year old non vaccinated little boy. Were gonna travel to Peru in some months. I’m very worried of what to do. Vaccinate and risk all that i fear of vaccines or not vaccinate and risk getting some kind of disease in Peru. Anyone has experience here traveling to Peru with non vaccinated children. Thank you.

  • ffelix

    Whoa. Whoever wrote this article needs a reality check. STUDIES do not prove anything. They are simply a collection of statistics based on anecdotal data. These studies are far less reliable than clinical trials: There are no control groups, nor were there any efforts to establish whether being vaccinated or not changed the outcome for children that are otherwise in the same demographic and exposed to the same allergens and pathogens. There are no efforts in this study to compare the health of two children of the same sex and similar age in the same family, who went to the same school and had otherwise been exposed to the same pathogens and allergens, where one was vaccinated and the other wasn’t.

    Another problem: the initial “study” this article refers to was done 22 years ago in Australia. The quality of vaccines and medical care overall has changed tremendously since then.

    And yet another problem: the second study was performed in 2011 by a “classical homeopathic practitioner”, Dr Andreas Bachair. There are absolutely no references on the internet to this person prior to 2014, other than an article where this person claimed plants could commit suicide if you mistreat them. Dr Bachair is NOT a medical doctor, let alone an immunologist, epidemiologist, allergist, nor clinical statistician. Being billed as a homeopathic practitioner already suggests that his studies are skewed by confirmation bias (finding results that support his beliefs and ignoring or giving less weight to results that challenge his beliefs)

  • Roxanne

    Actually, one of three wake up calls for me that forced me to confront my
    auto pilot pro-vaccine stance was a severe injury sustained through travel
    vaccines decades back. Since then, I’ve travelled to many developing countries – including Peru – unvaccinated and being fully well, unlike before. Whether or not one opts for travel vaccines, first and foremost engage in common sense by drinking properly filtered water, avoiding raw things potentially washed in dirty water (buy your own, peel and wash with filtered water, if need be), avoid brushing teeth with tap water etc. Consider boosting the immune system well before travel and during with plenty of vitamin C* (plus toxin neutralizer) taken at regular intervals, a good probiotic that doesn’t need refrigeration, a good multi vitamin etc. I personally also take activated charcoal just in case of food poisoning, and grapefruit seed extract for its specific applications, but you may want to consult with a knowledgeable naturopath or homeopath re. remedies best suited for a child. There may also be a suitable homeopathic kit for travel that may also be very helpful… Also, if you’re going to higher elevations
    you might want to research appropriate treatments for altitude illness
    suitable for a little one or avoid those areas. * Bare in mind, that inoculating for a specific disease is no guarantee that you won’t get it and that some of these vaccines such as the Hep. B can have nasty long-term affects including auto-immune damage. Lastly, don’t get paranoid over “catching something” as those pushing vaccines constantly fear monger with exaggerated stats etc. Make sure the travel is not too busy for a little
    one, allowing for ample rest and hydration, and remember that your child already has a head start over children whose immune systems have been dumbed down by vaccines.

  • Lou
  • elnura

    Mercury is *not* and never has been injected as part of a vaccine; you’re thinking of Therimsol, which is no longer used in most vaccines but is a preservative.

    Thimerosal continues to be in vaccines. Removal was discussed during a conference at the Simpsonwood Retreat Center in Georgia in 2000. A conference held in secret (which was illegal) by invitation only which included the following:

    In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session — only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug
    Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly “embargoed.” There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left. (My note: Excluding the media and the public from this meeting was illegal)

    The federal officials and industry representatives had
    assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and
    young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency’s massive database containing the medical records of 100,000
    children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines — thimerosal — appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. “I was actually stunned by what I saw,” Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays,
    attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants — in one case, within hours of birth — the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children. (My note:The CDC announced
    in April 2013 that the Autism rate in the US is now 1 child in 50. The article was on HP.)

    -Transcripts of meeting can be found: Scientific Review of
    Vaccine Safety Datalink Information June 7-8, 2000 Simpsonwood Retreat Center Norcross, Georgia. http://www.thinktwice.com/simpwood.pdf
    -Analysis of the transcript: The Truth Behind the Vaccine Coverup: Russell L. Blaylock, MD Medical Verdais http://medicalveritas.com/manBlaylock.pdf
    -Deadly Immunity: The Mercury Coverup: http://www.thinktwice.com/Kennedy.pdf

    At this meeting mercury removal was discussed, but nothing agreed upon. What was agreed upon was NOT removing it from vaccines going to third world nations. Bottom line: removal of mercury from vaccines was and continues to be VOLUNTARY. There was no mandate to do so. Not only is it voluntary but:

    -no agency (CDC, FDA) has checked or tested any viles of vaccines to determine if mercury has been removed.

    -reporting on IF mercury has been removed to the CDC or FDA is voluntary.

    The WHO has never agreed to the removal of mercury in any vaccine. The AAP was agreeable to the removal of vaccines but in December 2012 reversed its position:

    AAP Endorses WHO Statement on Thimerosal in Vaccines
    12/17/2012-http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/aap-endorses-who-statement-on-thimerosal-in-vaccines.aspx?nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token

    Flu Vaccine has a full mercury load of 25mcg. All vaccines are made in ‘incubation tanks’ with mercury or aluminum, sometime both. After the process is complete mercury is supposed to be filtered out but it can’t be.

    During an investigation into the mercury issue, HAPI learned that Thimerosal, a 50% mercury compound, is still being used to produce most vaccines and that the manufacturers are simply “filtering it out” of the final product. However, according to Boyd Haley, PhD, Chemistry Department Chair, University of Kentucky, mercury binds to the antigenic protein in the vaccine
    and cannot be completely, 100% filtered out. All four vaccine vials tested contained mercury despite manufacturer claims that two of the vials were completely mercury free. All four vials also contained aluminum, one nine times more than the other three, which tremendously enhances the toxicity of mercury causing neuronal death in the brain. It is the position of Dr. Haley as well as HAPI that if mercury can be detected in any vaccine using standard instrumentation, the content should be disclosed in the product insert and manufacturers should not be allowed to call the product “mercury free”.
    “Vaccines Are Not Mercury Free”

    Since no agency checks and no Vaccine Maker is held accountable for any injuries or deaths caused by vaccines because they have blanket immunity, do you really think mercury has been removed. The biggest customers of the Vaccine Makers is; the WHO, The Gates Foundation and the Government (medical facilities with government funding)-the very organizations that do not want mercury-Thimerosal removed from vaccines. Who do you really think they are going to cater to?

    Homeland Security Act inoculates drug makers against autism lawsuits. http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-1504-mercury_falling.html

    “One of the most remarkable things about the legislative legerdemain is that its author remains unknown. “It’s the Republican version of immaculate conception,” says Josh Kardon, chief of staff to Sen. Ron Wyden.

    If vaccines are safe and effective why sneak a provision in that protects vaccine makers from lawsuits.

  • elnura

    I’ve seen the video and red numerous committee transcripts that are found on thinktwice, whale and other sites-your point?

  • Lou

    “If you are genuinely concerned about vaccines, then study chemistry and biology to understand how and why they work:”

    Better yet look at history to discover how they DO NOT work.

    “In 1853 England introduced compulsory vaccination. Before this time the highest death rate from smallpox was 2000 for any two year period. However 20 years later there were 23,062 deaths in England and Wales with smallpox spreading over Europe in all the countries where vaccination was practiced on a large scale. During the same epidemic in Germany 124,948 people died of smallpox. Of the 155 persons admitted to the Smallpox Hospital in the Parish of St. James, Piccadilly, 145 had been vaccinated.” Doctor Phillip Incao MD

    “Small pox vaccinations were actually shown to increase the likelihood of small pox outbreaks. The Smallpox Hospital in London reported a steady, alarming increase in smallpox incidents after the established practice of immunizations. The incidence of smallpox began at five percent at
    the beginning of the century, rising to 44 percent in 1845, 64 percent in 1855, 78 percent in 1865, 90 percent in 1875 and 96 percent in 1885.”
    More Vaccines or Better Nutrition Prevents Disease?

    Docs get paid nice bonuses for meeting vaccination quotas

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_history.htm

  • Lou

    “vaccines are significantly better than they are bad.”

    That is why we have dozens and dozens of Gold Standard Clinical Trials demonstrating this. Right!

    Please show me ONE.

    TIA

  • nypbbob

    The point is obviously you didn’t do as you said or quite simply you didn’t get it. Carry on Facebook Einstein..

  • Joel VRM

    I’d encourage you to find the time in your busy schedule to take in the series of articles:
    ‘The Problem with Vaccines’ in five parts found
    at the link at the end which includes discussion
    of blood-brain barrier impacts, demyelination, synergistic affects of heavy metal toxicity, synthetic genomics etc. Below are two very brief unrelated excerpts. Thanks.
    Vaccine derived toxicity triggers intense cytokine reactions in children with Autism – Neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism: ‘Active neuroinflammatory process in the cerebral cortex, white matter & cerebellum of autistic patients, marked activation of microglia & astroglia. Cytokine profiling indicated that macrophage chemoattractant protein (MCP)-1 & tumor growth factor-beta1, derived from neuroglia, were most prevalent cytokines in brain tissues.’
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15546155

    How many of doctors have examined the package inserts accompanying each vaccine? And if so how many have considered the synergy factor that occurs when combining multiple ingredients such as heavy metals, live viruses (or strands of DNA/RNA “heat treated virus”), mycoplasma, anti-biotics, formaldehyde, detergent, diploid cells, phenol dye & excipient buffers; their synergistic long-term impact on the body’s delicate network of immune, endocrine, nervous, circulatory, lymphatic & digestive system operations?…

    http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=6097

  • Jonathan Besler

    “To do a truly scientific study all subjects have to be nearly equal”
    If even members of the same nuclear family are not “nearly equal” enough to be subjects in a “truly scientific study”, then all health studies are bunk.

  • Chris Abbondanza

    if you believe the doctor wants to poison your child with vaccines then why would you trust your child to a person like that. if i KNEW someone was trying to poison my child then i would not bring my child to them for anything.

  • Roxanne

    Hi Melissa, the problem is that the whole area of research has become so
    infested with conflicts of interest that bodies that people are conditioned to
    believe as “trustworthy” including the CDC, medical journals, academia etc.
    have all too often become seriously compromised by the revolving door of
    power, politics and profit. What’s more, researchers etc. who raise serious
    concerns re. vaccines (and other matters) have been penalized, lost funding
    been smeared etc. for stepping out of line. If we had a climate of true medical and media transparency, then the public would be privy to the Simpsonwood cover-up, the Infanrix Hexa scandal, Merck faking data results etc. etc. Instead, we are fed an endless barrage of pro-vaccine bias that
    most rarely question.

  • NE 914

    For crying out loud “geo-engineering” has been out of the closet for years and is openly discussed in official circles.

  • Roxanne

    Personally, from all the families I’ve encountered, I’m convinced that the unvaccinated are vastly healthier. However, I would not offer that as “proof” to the outside
    world. I think that this article would have better been titled, ‘Comparisons between vaccinated and unvaccinated children raise concerns’ No, these studies aren’t perfect,
    I agree, but then it has to be added that the medical system refuses to conduct these kinds of studies, let alone doing so in an open fashion. That raises serious questions as to why no such long-term, properly designed study comparing a broad range of conditions in similar vaccinated versus unvaccinated populations has never been conducted. Certainly, the Purdue University study comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated dogs raised serious concerns especially in regards to auto-immune disorders. Likewise, the multi-year study comparing vaccinated versus unvaccinated primates (Pittsburgh University and others) also raised alarm bells on a number
    of fronts. Considering there are many studies implicating
    vaccines in a wide range of conditions ranging from hearing and visual problems to cancer, organ problems, auto-immune disorders etc., the need for open,
    transparent studies has never been greater.

  • rosross

    Vaccination will be recognised before too long as one of the most criminal cases of experimentation in science/medical history.

    Only a methodology sourced in arrogant disregard for the wisdom of
    nature as it manifests in the body and an ignorance not just of the
    complexity of the human body but an ignorance of just how much
    science/medicine does not know, could have come up with an experimental
    system where diseases, one is bad enough, but at times half a dozen,
    diseases mixed up with toxic chemicals, synthetic additives, prepared in
    a laboratory are injected directly into a human bloodstream in a way
    that would be impossible in nature, bypassing the body’s first defence
    mechanisms.

    Not only that, this assault on the body and the
    immune defence system is carried out on babies less than 24 hours old
    and on babies and children with as yet undeveloped immune systems.

    Who on earth came up with that idea and decided it would do no harm?

  • rosross

    There is no problem if the child has a good immune system. Find a qualified Homeopath and look into prophylactic treatments.

    Here is the simple reality, the world is full of disease and Peru no different. You will never protect you or your child completely and with vaccination you may well damage their immune system, if not their body more.

    But, if you do decide to vaccinate then do the research, make sure it is only the absolutely minimum and do not listen to the doctor/nurse who would advise a dozen or more. Do not allow the child to get more than one vaccine at a time and space them out with three week intervals. If you can’t do this then don’t vaccinate. Remain aware when travelling.

    I have lived around the world and often in malaria zones. People who live in malaria zones never take the drugs because they damage liver and kidneys – remain aware for symptoms and if you ever did get malaria then by all means seek Allopathic treatment (Homeopathic can work but you need a fully professional Homeopath which is harder to find than an MD), particularly for children.

    Do the research and make up your own mind.

  • rosross

    I have lived around the world, India, Africa, Europe, North America — for more than 35 years and have refused vaccination unless compulsory to enter a country – yellow fever being one on occasion.

    We have remained well through it all. No malaria medication, no vaccines, no drugs -

  • rosross

    Good advice. Do the research. The levels of serious and chronic disease in human beings, even more so in children, have never been seen before. The US has the worst rates but the US is the only developed country and one of a tiny few, which has compulsory vaccination.

    First step, actually do some reading on how a normal immune function operates in the body!

    Second step, find out what actually goes into vaccines.

    Third step, think carefully about the toxic cocktail of the vaccine and how it might impact a non-or semi-functioning immune response in babies and children – particularly when multiple vaccines are injected at once and close together.

    Fourth step, ask yourself why you should trust a profit driven industry like vaccination; a compromised and profit-driven industry like science/medicine and why the human body would, in this day and age, have lost the capacity to function?

    When it comes to disease there is no ‘out there.’ All illness results from a failure of the body’s own immune defence system. All of it!

    What killed so many in the past was lack of sanitation and nutrition. Once that changed infant, maternal, child mortality rates dropped dramatically.

    All diseases for which vaccines have been developed were in decline BEFORE the vaccines arrived.

    Vaccination is an industry. That is not to say it is entirely useless although physiologically it probably is, but to say that like antibiotics, in the hands of profit-driven science/medicine and fear-driven medicine and public, it has been abused and overused.

    Only a methodology sourced in arrogant disregard for the wisdom of
    nature as it manifests in the body and an ignorance not just of the
    complexity of the human body but an ignorance of just how much
    science/medicine does not know, could have come up with an experimental.

    system where diseases, one is bad enough, but at times half a dozen,
    diseases mixed up with toxic chemicals, synthetic additives, prepared in
    a laboratory are injected directly into a human bloodstream in a way
    that would be impossible in nature, bypassing the body’s first defence
    mechanisms.

    Not only that, this assault on the body and the
    immune defence system is carried out on babies less than 24 hours old
    and on babies and children with as yet undeveloped immune systems.

    Who on earth came up with that idea and decided it would do no harm?

  • rosross

    I know so many people in your position. All I can offer is the suggestion that you find a qualified Homeopath to treat the older two children. I have family and friends who have had wonderful results with behavioural and learning difficulties and who now use Homoeopathic prophylactics on the unvaccinated third child.

    Homeopathy can heal vaccine damage.

  • rosross

    And when you are studying chemistry and biology can you step aside from the materialistic/mechanistic arrogance and ignorance of modern science/medicine and apply some common sense as to how physiologically and biologically a body, particularly one in a baby or child, might respond to the toxic cocktail of disease and chemicals, often synthetic, which is injected directly into the bloodstream?

    If that is too much work then perhaps those who have children might do the work. I would be prepared to bet they have.

  • rosross

    That is not what it is about. The doctor is driven by profit, peer approval and the system. The doctor is immured in ignorance and arrogance.

  • rosross

    It is not far better when rates of serious and chronic disease are dramatically higher than they have ever been before in history, particularly for children.

    When things like measles and diptheria killed it was due in the main to poor sanitation and poor nutrition. Most survived. My mother had diptheria. All of us had measles, whooping cough, mumps, chicken pox etc., and no-one died. Why? Because in Australia at least from the 20th century on, everyone was well fed and lived with good sanitation.

    Vaccines are an industry developed by maybe medicine to exploit human fears in the name of profit.

    My kids had measles, mumps and the like and were sick for a couple of days and then got well. This paranoia and vaccine obsession has developed in the past thirty-five years.

    If kids forty years ago could have maybe one or two or none and were not ‘dropping like flies’ then why do they need a dozen today, or even worse in the US, which is the only country to make vaccination compulsory, as many as forty!

    No wonder Americans have the worst health in the developed world.

    These diseases are not coming back – they never left – and when they are re-appearing it is in the VACCINATED. Not in the unvaccinated who are healthy and who have functioning immune systems. What does that say?

  • rosross

    An interesting question would be how is your general health? If it is absolutely fine then clearly you are robust. Others are not so fortunate, particularly not babies and children.

    If you have any health problems you might want to rethink vaccination.

    Vaccines can cause autism but that is not the only thing they can do, perhaps in the sensitive more often but then highly sensitive people make up 20% of the population so that is a lot, and the disease stats speak for themselves.

  • rosross

    Your chart is ‘magical thinking’ because it does not take into account all of the realities. Longevity data is skewed because of high infant, maternal mortality rates prior to the 20th century.

    What changed was not medicine but the core factors like sanitation and nutrition, the latter removing the disease of rickets and the pelvic deformities which killed so many babies and mothers in childbirth.

    The other thing that changed was doctors ‘discovered’ bacteria, having rejected the wisdom of midwives through the ages that ‘hands needed to be clean’ when delivering babies, and being arrogant and ignorant enough to come from the cadaver to the childbirth bed – killing countless women and children in the process.

    So, improved sanitation and nutrition changed longevity figures, not modern medicine.

    Don’t believe me? Do the stats! And take the time to do some ancestry research for yourself – go back three or four centuries, most of us can, look at numbers of children born, how many died, circumstances in which they lived and what ages people lived to! I think you will be surprised.

    Research into mummies, yes, using clever technology, now shoes that those who did not die young lives as long as people do today, sometimes longer. And no doubt they lived it as healthy functional people, not as drug-addled cripples as so many now do.

    As to the famed scientific ‘checks and balances’ hogwash. The profit driven, peer-approval driven science/medical system is deeply flawed as numerous studies now reveal. One was recently published in The Economist. Look it up.

    Profit before people is the modus operandi of science and medicine – why would you trust anything they say?

  • Roxanne

    I don’t doubt it. I only wish I had known years back (and for
    that matter my parents had known re. vaccines in general)
    what I now know. We live in a soup of untold microbes; the
    whole vaccine paradigm is fundamentally flawed.

  • rosross

    And the first reply re-appeared, never mind.

    Well I do think the body has a great capacity to heal. Every cell in our body is replaced every seven years – the liver every six weeks.

    I have also found Homeopathy invaluable as a medical methodology which can heal at inner ‘energy,’ (frequency, vibration etc.) levels and I have seen it with vaccine damaged kids.

    We can recover from anything. But people are subjected to more immune response assaults than ever before in history and vaccines just add to it.

  • rosross

    My reply disappeared. The body is a miracle, anything can be healed, we replace every cell every seven years – the liver every six weeks.

    I have also seen Homeopathic remedies help vaccine damaged kids – and of course can work for adults.

    I think one factor which is overlooked in vaccination is ‘shock.’ And I am sure Homeopathy is as effective as it is because it works at physiological, emotional, biological, circumstantial, psychological and spiritual levels.

    But the ‘shock’ to the body of being injected, receiving something which bypasses the first line of natural immune defence, a cocktail of diseases and chemicals, often synthetic so even more of a shock, and being asked to ‘deal with it,’ particularly in babies and children who do not have fully functioning immune systems, must be enormous.

    I also wonder if it plays a part in the increase in cancer – one in ten in 1900 and one in two today. Along with the exposure, worse in the US as are vaccinations than anywhere else in the world, to prescribed medications from the moment of birth and often before.

    Synthetic chemicals are more of a challenge for the immune system because they are ‘alien’ and completely unnatural and the human body and its immune system has never encountered these throughout millenia, until the last 80 or so years.

    Why would not immune defence cells become ‘confused’ in the face of it and the more challenges there are, the more easily confused.

    Cancer rates in children have grown faster than in adults. Here is an excerpt from a blog I wrote on it:

    One wonders if the reason
    why a cell turns ‘rogue’ and morphs into a cancer cell is because it has become
    confused and ‘forgotten’ who and what it is and lost the ability to recognise
    ‘friends’ and the support that ‘friends’ can offer and so, from a place of fear
    and a desperate urge to ‘survive’ it embarks upon a course of rebellion; a
    civil war in fact within the body, where it co-opts, often by deception, others
    to its cause and runs riot at the cellular level.

    The cell if you like
    becomes paranoid and loses the ability to rationally and intuitively ‘read’ its
    world and everything in it. That can happen when relationships founder and it
    often does. The way your cells work is the way you work.

    There must be many things which create confusion in our cells, subject as they
    are to environmental influences, more so today than ever before in cellular
    history. But what would be more likely than most to ‘create’ confusion in a
    cell as it goes about its business of recognising ‘self’ and ‘other’;
    identifying threats; reading messages from its environment and from other cells
    and molecular entities?

    Something which confuses us more than anything and which can have a
    long-lasting influence because it destroys our trust and makes us doubt
    ourselves, is when we are tricked! One of the major influences in our lives
    today, from in utero until death, for some more than others, is pharmaceutical drugs

    .
    And many of these drugs, probably most, work on the basis of ‘tricking’ the
    body into accepting them as ‘self’ when in fact they are ‘other,’; tricking the
    body into thinking they are ‘safe,’ when often they are not, and in essence
    functioning in our bodies as ‘imposters,’ which is what they are.

    Most drugs are made from synthetic chemicals, compounds, molecules, structures,
    which are not found in nature but are synthesized by medicinal chemists in
    pharmaceutical industry labs. The reason
    this happens is because a natural ingredient cannot be patented but a synthetic
    can. It is all about profit, sourced in an arrogant disregard for the wisdom of
    the body.

    Have you ever wondered why drugs have ‘side effects?’ It is because a natural drug will be able to ‘dock’
    perfectly with the cell, to ‘fit’ with the cell as nature intended and for the ‘conversation’
    to then take place which will lead to the drug having an effect. Synthesized
    drugs are not natural and therefore cannot ‘dock’ with a cell as nature
    intended and so the ‘misfit’ or ‘partial fit’ is what leads to side-effects.

    One imagines that a natural drug docking perfectly with a cell will be able to
    have a clearer conversation than the synthetic version, which must, by its
    nature be less well ‘understood’ by the cell with which it is trying to
    communicate. With cancer rates now one in two as opposed to one in ten in 1900,
    and the development of the pharmaceutical industry now just over eighty years
    old, one can only wonder how much of a part this plays.

    We know already with iatrogenic, or doctor or medical induced, as the third
    biggest killer with the biggest factor being pharmaceutical drugs, that
    prescribed medication is often dangerous if not deadly.

    Adverse reactions to legally-prescribed drugs is the fourth leading cause of
    death in the United States. According to the American Medical Association,
    legally prescribed pharmaceuticals kill approximately 106,000 hospitalized
    patients annually, are responsible for an estimated 198,000 related annual
    deaths and necessitate 23% of all hospitalizations.

    If a body subjected to ‘invaders’ in the form of ‘imposters’ as drugs, then
    depending on sensitivity, would it be surprising if some cells just become so
    confused that they lose their ability to identify who is friend and who is foe
    and resort to a paranoid position of ultimate defence, picking up some of the
    traits of the invaders and resorting to deception, disguise and desperation in
    order to survive.

    Perhaps those people who
    survive such ‘civil wars’ and rogue rebellions as cancer, are those who, for
    whatever reason, have a capacity to ‘remember’
    and more importantly, to re-member, at the cellular level, who and what
    they are. Given the power of the mind and its impact on how our body works, one
    can presume that a similar level of understanding, at the mind level and the
    heart level, our spiritual source, can play an important part. What you think
    is what you are at every level, down to the molecular.

    The same applies to us as complete human
    beings which is why, close and supportive relationships and solid social
    support systems are so important.

    People matter but sometimes
    some people will matter more than others because they are the ones with whom we
    are truly connected in a meaningful, loving relationship.

    And our cells matter for
    they are the foundation of all that we are in this material world anyway.

    One can also wonder, given
    the capacity of our cells to receive and process ‘messages’ what effect it has
    on them when our mind sends out messages to our body that we fear, hate,
    distrust, reject or dismiss any part of it. We would not do that to someone we
    love and with whom we have a meaningful relationship, but so many do it to
    their bodies.

    http://nomadletters.blogspot.com/

  • Roxanne

    It’s fair to raise legitimate criticisms of these studies, and personally, I would
    rather the article be titled: ‘Studies Comparing Vaccinated versus Unvaccinated Raise Questions’ or something like that. However, it should be duly noted that vaccines are broadly promoted as “safe and effective” based on trials that do not use proper controls. Inert placebos are routinely used in vaccine trials (this being just one of several criticisms of trial methodology) thereby skewing the results. Given that research comparing
    the health of vaccinated versus unvaccinated dogs (Purdue University) raised some troubling concerns especially in regards to auto-immune conditions amongst the vaccinated; and that a multi-year study comparing
    vaccinated and unvaccinated primates (University of Pittsburgh etc.) also raised serious concerns, it’s high time large scale, carefully designed, transparent studies were also conducted on human populations. Which begs the question, why “officialdom” has steadfastly refused to conduct such.

  • Roxanne

    Well said…. This quote from a doctor practicing in the early part of the last century sums it up quite nicely:
    “Never in the history of medicine has there been produced s false a theory, and such fraudulent assumptions, such disastrous and damning results as have followed the practice of vaccination; it is the ultimate of learned quackery and lacks even the faintest shadow of scientific basis.”

    Dr. E. Ripley, Connecticut Practitioner, ‘Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective’, N. Miller

  • Roxanne

    Agreed, this is why Dr. Shiv Chopra former Health Canada
    scientist for 35 years turned whistle blower called vaccines,
    “cluster bombs”.

  • rosross

    But the power of the science/medical/pharmaceutical industry, particularly in the US, has led to its dominance even when anyone with common sense, surely, would question the practice, particularly as it is now practised.

    But they don’t because they are controlled by the industry and its profit factor and because they have been trained in the delusional and dangerous belief that the world is purely material and mechanistic and the body is no more than a machine or ‘bag of chemicals’ as one scientist described it.

    Ignorance, arrogance and greed drive science/medicine, at least in regard to health and it is little wonder that iatrogenic – doctor or medical induced – is now the third biggest killer.

    I think ordinary people are starting to ask questions though which is why the massive turn toward non-Allopathic medical methodologies like Homeopathy and TCM.

    And to be fair, there are some doctors of intelligence and integrity and they clearly are behind the push for Integrative Medicine where all medical methodologies are utilised and where clearly, a holistic approach is taken and the body is not seen as a machine.

  • rosross

    I had not heard that, but yes!

  • Roxanne

    It’s not about Dr. Average deliberately wanting to poison children but about a system of deeply ingrained outdated paradigms, indoctrination that is rarely questioned via the clear influence of the pharmaceutical lobby in academia, regulatory bodies etc., and about the politics that too often sees doctors who do openly criticize vaccines being penalized professionally breeding a cycle of censorship of dissent. Back in July 2000 (going my memory for the moment) JAMA included an article on the number of patients estimated to die annually (according to the article over 200,000 – though some would argue much higher) die in the U.S. annually due to unnecessary surgery, drug problems and interactions etc. If the average doctor is unaware of
    the scope of iatrogenicide, why would she/he be aware of
    the scope of vaccine damage?

  • JacobLaw

    The big question really is this or is it not an evil conspiracy! And really is it a question?

  • Christine P. S.

    The people who are living into their nineties & past one hundred now were never given a slew of inoculations during their formative years. I’m a very hale & hardy ninety year old & had only one vaccine in my youth, & I know so many others who had one, two or NO vaccines as children & who are my age & older. Also, we have a family tree
    going back into the early 1800′s & except for death by accident, everyone lived to be in their eighties, nineties or
    past one hundred. My peers & I all got chicken pox, mumps etc. This was no big deal, felt lousy, got it over with and got lifelong immunity. Irrational panic over infectious disease
    has resulted in a generation of children getting inoculations galore, & from all appearances getting weaker, less resilient & more unhealthy than ever. I look at the peers of my great grandchildren who are very healthy and have had no inoculations & am astonished at how being ill is the new norm.

  • Roxanne

    Here are a few more comments by Dr. Chopra who also bluntly spoke of how corrupt Health Canada was and how they
    were puppets of the pharmaceutical industry.
    “Anyone knowing the basics of biology should know:
    1. That all vaccines by their very nature are antigens and that every antigen by defintion must be a foreign protein or a substance attached to one’s own or some other foreign protein;
    2. That no foreign protein can be absorbed into the blood stream unless it is digested in the alimentary canal into its basic amino acids;
    3. That it is these amino acids which after being absorbed into the blood stream are reconstituted into one’s own proteins and it is these proteins which distinguishes every being of existence into self and non-self.
    4. That any interference or tampering with these laws of existence can bring calamity to the being in which it occurs such as by causing auto-immune conditions like autism, etc. This is precisely what may be occurring due to vaccine injections… . The foreign proteins in vaccines originate from not only the infectious organisms against which one wishes to produce infection-fighting antibodies but also the artificial media in which these organisms are grown. Contained in such media may include one or more of the following materials: bovine serum, horse serum, chicken egg, monkey kidney, insect cells and even human fetal cells. Apart from the foreign proteins, vaccines may also contain other harmful substances, including mercury, aluminum, formalin, oily adjuvants, etc., plus untold number of stray viruses with the potential to cause cancer, serum-hepatitis, and so on.”

  • Roxanne

    Yes, a flawed, mechanistic approach to the human body that clings to old outdated paradigms that serve vested interests is a destructive recipe for human health.

    “During the past 25 years of work to prevent vaccine injuries and death through public education and defend the informed consent ethic, I have seen doctors who tell the truth about vaccine risks be viciously attacked by their colleagues in government, industry and academia.”

    F.E. Yazbak, MD FAAP, Pediatric Infectious Disease Specialist

  • Roxanne

    The body doesn’t lie. The proof is in the pudding.

  • Barry

    Yeah, and instead let’s believe those that profit from homoeopathy and other snake-oil cures instead!

  • Barry

    Ever heard of the logical fallacy of “Appeal to Authority”?

  • rosross

    Why does it need to be a conspiracy and what do you mean by conspiracy? Americans seem to be more inclined to conspiracies than anyone else on the planet but largely because the society is sourced in so much fear and mistrust if not hatred of Government.

    If you mean, did someone somewhere say, and gather others to the cause:’I know let’s make people sick with vaccines so we can make more money?’

    I doubt it.

    My experience of human beings, particularly given their general incompetence and the difficulty in controlling others completely, is that most negatives generally arise from a combination of greed, arrogance, ignorance and incompetence.

    Science/medicine is profit driven. That means greed driven. It is sourced in an arrogant belief in its own paradigm and an arrogant disregard for anything which does not fit it. Science/medicine is ignorant of anything beyond its materialistic/mechanical mindset and not just ignorant, dismissively so. Incompetence is found in all human beings and is why so many of the ‘best ideas’ fail so badly: religion, communism, science etc.

    The human factor is the flaw in the ‘ointment’ and any system which is not heavily regulated – something Americans also fear but other developed nations do not, hence they are more efficient and do less damage – is likely to do great damage,i.e. American banks in the economic meltdown compared to banks in other developed nations.

    So, given how much of science/medicine is sourced in or paid for by US interests and given that it is least regulated in the US then the capacity for damage is great.

    So, conspiracy no, but perhaps the American inclination to conspiracy theories (and by the way I don’t reject all, particularly those surrounding 9/11) exists because it is easier to ‘blame’ some shadowy figure, entity, cabal, organisation etc., than to accept the reality that the system and society itself has failed.

  • rosross

    Well said.

  • rosross

    Rejecting the innate wisdom and function of the human body and its systems is sourced in the deluded belief that the world is purely material and mechanistic. The madness of ‘mad’ scientists has increased exponentially since this view was invented.

    And invented it was. Both Newton and Descartes would be spinning in their graves at what has been done in their name.

    The only skills science has is with that which can be reduced to the material and mechanistic to some degree – nothing is purely either – and beyond that science is a danger to itself and everyone else.

  • rosross

    Thanks for that.

  • sabelmouse

    and yet most of those infected with whooping cough were vaccinated and are capable of infecting others as even the fda warns these days.

    http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm376937.htm#.Uurd080Ju8s.facebook

  • John Staunton

    There is a conflict of interest in this story. The figures are collated by a Homeopath who more than likely offers alternatives to vaccines. There should be more info here, would like to see the cold hard facts dividing groups into vaccinated and unvaccinated. Telling us that 92% of tonsillectomies are in kids who received the measles vaccine, what relevance is this? Whats the vaccination rate for measles? Probably 95% plus. I think this article could be a lot better, but it needs to put up more info so people can objectively scrutinise the data and make their own minds up.

  • Elly

    There is a huge issue with this study….Most parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids also don’t bring them to the doctor…So, how would we know what the other kids have if the parents don’t believe in traditional medicine?

  • AQ

    Uhh…no. You are engaging in what is called a “burden of proof” fallacy–that is, you are making claims and then challenging others to prove you wrong, rather than providing supporting data.

    Nice try, though.

  • AQ

    Uhh…no. Luddite parents spreading horror stories about their precious bebus getting vaccinated and then dying horribad deaths or magically catching autism does not constitute “peer review”.

    Please try again.

  • AQ

    I’m sorry, but by comparing vaccination to the horrible experiments that the Nazis performed on humans in WW2 you have pretty much lost me as a listener.

    By posting conspiratorial nonsense like “the editor of the British Medical Journal…” without providing anything to back it up, you’ve confirmed to me that you should perhaps adjust your tinfoil hat.

  • sabelmouse
  • Sugarlarry

    Yes. Those two things were huge. As was dental care. But they only got us so far. We’d dealt with sanitation and basic nutrition issues by the end of the 19th century for the most part. (Though we’re still honing the nutrition part)

    But vaccines, whether you admit it or not, have saved tens of thousands. And the science you dismiss is very real, as opposed to the crazy town facts that you choose to ignore.

    One question, do you believe scientists that climate change is happening? Do you believe in evolution? That the earth revolves around the sun? Why? Why accept the science on those things, but not vaccinations?

    You, and the rest of the anti-vac crowd have this bug up you butts that the government is ALWAYS bad. And that there is ALWAYS a conspiracy.

    Give your heads a shake and recognize that conspiracies of that magnitude do not happen. Most people in government and business are not actively evil. Greedy, stupid, corrupt, yes. But they’re not out to kill kids to make a buck if the data tells them that the drugs the manufacture are poisonous.

    Drug companies are heavily regulated and must declare all of the side effects they cause. Holistic medicine… because it is snake oil and doesn’t work, is totally unregulated, because it’s not real.

  • vroon

    This was before vaccination:
    My brother got convulsions when he had measles, he was upstairs in his bed and by the time I noticed this (because i was getting something from my room) he had suffered such a lack of oxygen that this wonderful, intelligent (iq was measured 152 at age 5), lively and lovely 6 year old, was mentally impaired for the rest of his life. He grew up to be a 2.03 m. (about 6 f t 10) tall, very handsome man, that turned womens heads but had the mental faculties of a 8 to 10 year old.
    My husband, who had a masters degree in English language and literature and dreamt of becoming an author (he had already published some short stories in magazines) had had measles very badly when he was 4 years old. He suffered from headaches all his life since then. Suddenly, just before his 28th birthday he became incoherent and was shipped to a hospital, where he died within a few days. Because the doctors were at a loss what caused this, they performed an autopsy. The culprit was the measles virus, that had lain dormant for 24 years before it reared its ugly head and made my husbands immune-system attack it and also the braincells where it was hiding. His brain was ruined, his dreams were ruined, the life of myself and our little 2 year old daughter was ruined, our prospects were ruined. And he paid with his life for the fact that there was no vaccination available in the fifties!!
    So don’t be a fool! Please, please, vaccinate your children at least for the diseases that may kill them or cripple them forever.
    I sure as hell had my daughter take all vaccinations. The first time in her life she was ever sick was a slight cold at the age of almost 10. She is a bright, , beautiful, well balanced young woman now.

  • hommedespoir

    Your attitude won’t be getting you the benefit of all my solid research for free. Do your own fracking homework, troll.

  • hommedespoir

    take half an hour out of your busy day, lass … and check the real-life experiences of those who know enough about the world-wide vax scam to keep their kids safe and away from doctors’ pricks and nurses’ jabs IYCWIM
    http://killavax.opexnews.com

  • ccdaddy

    Your most likely, a pharma friendly. So, what does that say?

    If not! And, you have read all my post, and you still chose to vaccinate your child. That’s your choice,but considering what the CDC, and the FDA, and the AAP, are guilty of.

    That tells me, either you are not capable of comprehending, what you read. Or, you don’t give a damn, about your own kid.

  • elnura

    First, your statement in unsubstantiated. Second, there is a study that states:

    Study: Taking Your Child to a Pediatrician Increases Flu Risk – Doctors are a Health Risk for Children:

    A new study published in the March issue of Infection Control and Hospital Epidemiology shows that routine well-child visits to pediatricians actually increase a child’s chance for catching the flu within two weeks.

    This confirms what many parents have already discovered, that well-child visits are usually counterproductive, and are a primary method of distributing vaccine.

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/study-taking-your-child-to-a-pediatrician-increases-flu-risk-doctors-are-a-health-risk-for-children/s.

    I have noticed when I go to the Doctors with my grandchildren the first question, before even saying Hi-what can we do for you today, “are they up to date with their shots”. VT ran an article a month ago where a couple took their son to emergency and the first question to them was are his vaccinations up to date and than the nurse proceeded to tell them how he needed to be vaccinated for chicken pox even though he was too young. She made such a scene the couple left.

    Given those two scenarios what’s the incentive to take a child to a healthy well child to a Doctors visit. It seems Pediatricians exist now only to push vaccines.

  • elnura

    Conspiracy-no. Just business a usual. Read up on who actually begin the AMA-The Rockefeller’s and you’ll find answers to all your questions.

    The Real History of Modern Medicine:
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-history-of-modern-medicine.html

  • ccdaddy

    If you were, really a mom of 4 vaccinated children. I doubt. that you would have any interest, in attacking this study.

    So most likely, your one of those made up story’s. Created,
    just to get young women, who are on the fence. Of, should I vaccinate. or not? To, vaccinate. Sorry,I don’t buy it!

  • elnura

    Again, what’s your point? Provide clarity instead of being insulting. FYI: I don’t have Facebook.

  • ccdaddy

    No! Shooting your child up, with Heavy Metals and Toxins. And expecting,
    any good to come from it. That’s batshit crazy, and retarded.

  • TrentMax

    I would love to find the person who started this anti-vaccination campaign and punch him in the face.

  • Lou

    For me the big question is how many of our kids are we willing to sacrifice on the altar of “vaccination” before we do some research.

    “Look, if you think any American official is going to tell you the truth, then you’re stupid.” The Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs
    , Note I finally found the PERFECT vaccination quote!!!

    “Now, primarily a marketing machine to sell drugs of dubious benefit, the pharmaceutical industry uses its weight and power to co-opt every institution that might stand in its way, including the US Congress, the FDA, academia, medical centers and the medical profession itself.” Dr. Marcia Angell, former Editor, The New England Journal of Medicine

    “If the public is not being provided with the information required to make an informed choice, and immunization policy is based upon cultivating faith in a higher authority and not the evidence itself, clearly, the time has come for people to take back control of their own health, beginning perhaps with exploring the primary literature on the topic themselves in greater depth.”
    Study Reveals “Unavoidable” Danger of HPV Vaccines

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vaccine.htm

  • AQ

    You have done no research. You have made wild claims and, when I refuse to accept them, called me a troll in a pathetic attempt to silence me.

    Please try again.

  • Polar Bear

    At 14 months of age, my youngest son had a severe adverse reaction to the MMR vaccine and ended up in the hospital emergency room three nights in a row with symptoms that included thrombocytopenia (internal bleeding). We thought we were going to lose him. Although emergency room doctors closed ranks and denied that it was a reaction to the vaccine (he had all three major adverse symptoms outlined in the CDC Handbook and it occurred during the specified timeframe), our family doctor posted an adverse reaction on his public health record and cautioned me about ever giving him MMR again. This experience – and particularly the medical establishment’s reaction – completely broke my faith in the system and I stopped all further vaccinations. My older son, who is 7 years older, was completely vaccinated and is frequently sick. My youngest son has the best immune system I’ve ever seen. We can all be sick around him and he is just fine. We just had a terrible 2-3 week virus run through our household and my youngest son was the only one who never caught it. I have often wondered to myself if his amazing immune system is because he has had so few vaccinations. Reading this article convinces me even more that we need to do much more research into vaccinations – beyond the severe adverse reactions – we may be seriously impairing the human immune system. My heart goes out to VROOM. There are stories on both sides, but until we have adequate long-term, double-blind studies on vaccinations, and studies that combine the incredible number of vaccines now given to our children, we cannot know that the benefits outweigh the risks.

  • hommedespoir

    One thing a troll will always accept is blood(y) cash from the perpeTRAITORs.

    Frackwit.

  • Lou

    You might if the state sent their heavily armed minions to your door and threatened to take your child unless he was “properly vaccinated”.

    We are very close to this state now. Unless many more MILLIONS of mothers refuse the toxic “vaccination” pure FORCE will be used to poison our children.

    Big Vaccine INC. has LOST the argument; they have nothing left BUT state applied FORCE they have always relied on FEAR and AUTHORITY.

    The state of Oregon just made it very difficult to avoid “vaccination”. This is a national trend.

  • Lou

    You are aware the Rockefeller Clan destroyed nature based Homeopathy medicine with their take over of the Medical Profession circa 1900. The Rockefellers did this to create a monopoly for their petrochemical based pharmacology.

    This destruction of Homeopathy has proved VERY PROFITABLE for the Rockefellers and DISASTROUS for we the people. Can you imagine what honest competition between a toxic medical treatment and a natural medical treatment could do for we the people?

    The good part is we the people can provide our own prevention using natural means and TOTALLY avoid ALL the toxins of modern petrochemical based medicine including “vaccination”

  • Lawrence Meyers

    There are so many things wrong with this. It’s an article, not the actual study, and with a preposterous headline. “Prove Beyond A Doubt!”. That’s propaganda from a website devoted to propaganda. Second, there is a difference between “correlation” and “causation”. To say kids had tonsillitis BECAUSE of the measles vaccination is not a legitimate conclusion. The NZ study also was for a tiny population, not statistically significant.

    The German study, the article says, “Dr. Andreas Bachair, a German classical homeopathic practitioner, responsible for collecting the results of the survey from the website vaccineinjury.info”

    A German “classical homeopathic practitioner”? She’s got a conflict of interest. Is she trained in statistical analysis? She collected the information from a website that is biased in the extreme.

    I’m not saying that this conclusion isn’t possible if a proper study were done. But an inflammatory headline on a biased website, that collected information from a biased researcher, who collected data from a biased website? You can do better.

  • guest

    I say you put the kids or yourself to the test, vaccinate religiously and prove the world wrong about how harmful vaccines are!! you’ve got nothing to lose right??!!

  • NE 914

    I noticed a recent comment at the top of the thread that looks
    like it’s posted to you by Polar Bear. They mentioned Vroon but didn’t put it under your entry.

  • Jeff Prystupa

    I did not start this discussion, but easily could have. I have been saying for over thirty years that vaccination is both unnecessary and harmful. That was before the big epidemic of neurological condtions. What un-lighted cave are you living in? Check out the rates of increased vaccinations and compare it to the growing, now epidemic incidence of disease and ask yourself what else could be causing it? Want to punch someone in the face? Is that your best and final answer to this question? Go ahead and protect all your loved ones with these toxic pus potions, but leave the rest of us thinking parents alone.

  • guest

    Totally agree with you, such an ignorance response, people who support vaccines, must not have any children nor common sense. Any parent that truly cares would do the homework!!

  • Terry Major-Holliday
  • Voice of Reason

    Interesting definition of the word “prove.” A survey? Really?! Anyone who knows an ounce about studies and research, knows that surveys are full of biases and they don’t have controls which make it impossible for a study to prove causality. But… before I just say how absolutely absurd this was, I decided to find the actual “study” and critically analyze it. Here goes: #1- the way they discovered if a child had an allergy was by asking the parent, sounds good, right? Wrong, as someone who works with parents all the time, parents decide that kids are allergic to Advil because they threw up once. This is not an allergy, its a known side effect. Nothing about parents, but the point is, there were no objective, scientific data to prove that these kids actually had allergies, i.e. blood tests. Again, a HUGE problem with a survey. #2 -They didn’t have ANY controls. What this means, for example, is that there were children in this study as old as 46 years old. That means mothers of 46 year old kids were answering questions about the health of their child when they were TWO YEARS OLD (44 years earlier). Of course, these people are not going to remember how often a kid was sick compared to a mother of a 2 year old. DUH. Which means, you cannot make any inference about the link between sickness and vaccine/unvaccine. #3 – Also in the study “97% of unvaccinated children were still being breastfed at 3 months old, compared to 69% of the general population.” It has been shown over and over and over again, that breastfeeding leads to lower sick rates and lower doctor visits in children. AGAIN!!! Another compounding factor of this “study”(I use the term ‘study’ loosely here), they didn’t control for breastfeeding which means that kids could’ve been less sick because anti-vax parents tend to breast feed more, actually 28% more. There are numerous other problems with this survey and “study” (again, loose interpretation) design. Remember, not all you find on the internet is true…. like this: http://www.theonion.com/articles/distant-planet-terrified-it-might-be-able-to-somed,35179/, or this: http://humor.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=humor&cdn=entertainment&tm=10&f=00&su=p284.13.342.ip_p504.6.342.ip_&tt=3&bt=9&bts=9&zu=http%3A//www.newsmutiny.com/Index.html…. But please… everyone, keep following everything you read on Yahoo! answers and put little 6 week old babies at risk of death from Pertussis!! Keep it up anti-vaxxers, there are lots of not-dying babies that need you to change that!

  • Voice of Reason

    Felix – Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I am terrified for my children to grow up with these kids not getting vaccinated and for the children with cancers that need herd immunity to survive without infectious disease. And ridiculous articles like this are what people, with absolutely zero science education/background, will use to say vaccines are bad. No – the article is bad, and you’re an idiot.

  • guest

    do you happen to have any kids? I don’t think so, If you had any common sense you’d realize that a bunch of toxins injected to brand new body who hasn’t built any immunity, can be anything but beneficial, please educate before you speak, better yet do not make any comments before you do so! thank You!

  • hommedespoir

    I guess you will continue to IGNORE the kids the DIED …. the young girls that DIED…. because the vax that killed them was doing EXACTLY what the label on the vax pac said was possible: one of the possible side-effects of this product is DEATH …. that’s the vax manufacturer talking, NOT me… I am only interested in objective TRUTH…. and truth is vax not only doesn’t work, it KILLS babies and young ladies all the while it is NOT EFFECTIVE as claimed.
    Sorry and all that… READ THE FRACKING LABEL seeing you’ll take zero notice what common sense says.
    BIG PHARMA…. GSK…. Merck….. they all SAY their product may cause death…. what meaning of “cause” do you fail to fracking understand….?
    Your kids will DEMAND to know why you didn’t read the fracking label …. but only …. ONLY if they survive your wretched MD’s nurse’s jab…OR his own prick :-)

  • Sarah Ross O’Shea

    You are unable to use basic capitalization rules or properly punctuate a sentence. You cannot possibly be expected to be taken seriously. You do realize that, right?

  • Lou

    Congratulations Jeffry

    All your good work on this site has paid off.

    You are being visited by a much better class and more NUMEROUS trolls these days. You have them worried my friend.

    Congratulations

    Live long and prosper

  • Lawrence Meyers

    I have, as have millions of other parents, over decades. I’ll take the scientific results of that sample over this nonsense.

  • Lawrence Meyers

    You have to stop using logic and reason. You’re confusing the dummies.

  • Roxanne

    Re. Cancer which you raised in another comment:

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    Stewart, AM, et al, “Aetiology of Childhood Leukaemia”, Lancet, 16 Oct, 1965, 2:789-790.

    Glathe, H et al, “Evidence of Tumorigenic Activity of Candidate Cell Substrate in Vaccine Production by the Use of Anti-Lymphocyte Serum”, Development Biol Std, 1977, 34:145-148.

    Bolognesi, DP, “Potential Leukemia Virus Subunit Vaccines: Discussion”, Can Research, Feb 1976, 36(2 pt 2):655-656.

    Colon, VF, et al, “Vaccinia Necrosum as a Clue to Lymphatic Lymphoma”, Geriatrics, Dec 1968, 23:81-82.

    Park-Dincsoy, H et al, “Lymphoid Depletion in a case of Vaccinia Gangrenosa”, Laval Med, Jan 1968, 39:24-26.

    Hugoson, G et al, “The Occurrence of Bovine Leukosis Following the Introduction of Babesiosis Vaccination”, Bibl Haemat, 1968, 30:157-161.

    Hartstock, , “”Post-vaccinial Lymphadenitis: Hyperplasia of Lymphoid Tissue That Simulates Malignant Lymphomas”, Apr 1968, Cancer, 21(4):632-649.

    Allerberger, F, “An Outbreak of Suppurative Lymphadenitis Connected with BCG Vaccination in Austria- 1990/1991,” Am Rev Respir Disorder, Aug 1991, 144(2) 469.

    Omokoku B, Castells S, “Post-DPT inoculation cervical lymphadenitis in children.” N Y State J Med 1981 Oct;81(11):1667-1668.

    ***Vaccines and Chromosome Changes Leading to Mutations:

    Knuutila, S et al, “An Increased Frequency of Chromosomal Changes and SCE’s in Cultured Lymphocytes of 12 Subjects Vaccinated Against Smallpox,” Hum Genet, 1978 Feb 23; 41(1):89-96.

    Cherkeziia, SE, et al, “Disorders in the Murine Chromosome Apparatus Induced By Immunization with a Complex of Anti-viral Vaccines,” Vopr Virusol, 1979 Sept Oct, (5):547-550. [SCE means sister chromatid exchange and is an indication that genetic mutations are occurring, which could possibly lead to cancer-causing mutations.]

    ***The Polio Vaccine Has Been Linked to Cancer:

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    Innis, M.D. “Oncogenesis and poliomyelitis vaccine.” Nature, 1968; 219:972-73.

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    Weiss, A.F., et a;. “Simian virus 40-related antigens in three human meningiomas with defined chromosome loss.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Science 1975; 72(2):609-13.

    Scherneck, S., et al. “Isolation of a SV-40-like papovavirus from a human glioblastoma.” International Journal of Cancer 1979; 24:523-31.

    Stoian, M., et al. “Possible relation between viruses and oromaxillofacial tumors. II. Research on the presence of SV40 antigen and specific antibodies in patients with oromaxillofacial tumors.” Virologie, 1987; 38:35-40.

    Stoian, M., et al. “Possible relation between viruses and oromaxillofacial tumors. II. Detection of SV40 antigen and of anti-SV40 antibodies in patients with parotid gland tumors.” Virologie, 1987; 38:41-46.

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  • elnura

    I’m glad to see a troll who does more than be abusive and call people out of their names. You are the second to mention a satire site to compare Jeff’s article and Vac Truth to. So these are the new marching orders of the troll brigade. I guess that study on trolls being Machiavellian Sadist really pushed some buttons.

    Science confirms: Online trolls are horrible people (also, sadists!)
    http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/02/science-confirms-online-trolls-are-horrible-people-also-sadists/

  • elnura

    Don’t waste your time with “voice of reason”-troll. Don’t feed. Have you noticed the number of commenters who have compared this article and site to a satire site, one being Cracked and another the Onion. The trolls are out in numbers on this article. some buttons really have been pushed. Have you read the article about trolls:

    Science confirms: Online trolls are horrible people (also, sadists!)
    http://arstechnica.com/science

  • Roxanne

    Hmm… and how many children are dying from “SIDS”, getting seizures etc. from the DPT and other vaccines?…
    “In 1979 Sweden withdrew use of the DTP vaccine on the basis that it was not effective and possibly unsafe. The fear, of course, would be that with lower vaccination rates, the death rate would increase. So what happened in this case? A 1995 letter from the Swedish Institute of Infectious Disease Control indicated that deaths from whooping cough remained near zero. Sweden’s population was 8,294,000 in 1979 and 8,831,000 by 1995. From 1981 to 1993, eight children were recorded as dying, with the cause of death listed as pertussis. This averaged to be about 0.6 children per year possibly dying from whooping cough. These numbers show that the odds of dying from pertussis in Sweden were about 1 in 13,000,000 even when there was no national vaccination program. [6]”
    (excerpt from article by Suzanne Humphries MD)

    Vaccines and Death:
    Na, “DPT Vaccination and Sudden Infant Death – Tennessee, US Dept HEW, MMWR Report, Mar 23, 1979, vol 28(11): 132.
    Arevalo, “Vaccinia Necrosum. Report on a Fatal Case”, Bol Ofoc Sanit Panamer, Aug 1967, 63:106-110.
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    Aragona, F, “Fatal Acute Adrenal Insufficiency Caused by Bilateral Apoplexy of the Adrenal Glands (WFS) following Anti-poliomyelitis Vaccination”, Minerva Medicolegale, Aug 1960; 80:167-173.
    Moblus, G et al, “Pathological-Anatomical Findings in Cases of Death Following Poliomyelitis and DPT Vaccination”, Dtsch Gesundheitsw, Jul 20, 1972, 27:1382-1386.
    NA, “Immunizations and Cot Deaths”, Lancet, Sept 25, 1982, np.
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    Fulginiti, V, “Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, Diphtheria-Tetanus Toxoid-Pertussis Vaccination and Visits to the Doctor: Chance Association or Cause and Effect?”, Pediatr Infect Disorder, Jan-Feb 1983, 2(1): 7-11.
    Baraff, LJ, et al, “Possible Temporal Association Between Diphtheria-tetanus toxoid-Pertussis Vaccination and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome”, Pediatr Infect Disorder, Jan-Feb 1983, 2(1): 5-6.
    Reynolds, E, “Fatal Outcome of a Case of Eczema Vaccinatum”, Lancet, 24 Sept 1960, 2:684-686.
    Apostolov. et al, “Death of an Infant in Hyperthermia After Vaccination”, J Clin Path, Mar 1961, 14:196-197.
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    Larbre, F et al, “Fatal Acute Myocarditis After Smallpox Vaccination”, Pediatrie, Apr-May 1966, 21:345-350.
    Mortimer EA Jr, “DTP and SIDS: when data differ”, Am J Public Health 1987 Aug; 77(8):925-926.

  • Roxanne

    I agree Elnura that trolls are lowlifes but for others perhaps new to criticisms re. vaccines, it just takes a moment to post.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    They’re not here really to have a rational discussion. It may hurt their world view and potentially their ego. It’s more within their character to feel safe calling names or being passive aggressive.

    http://vactruth.com/2014/01/29/truth-about-vaccine-pushers/

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    It’s unfortunate she has no other alternative than to turn to violence as her first choice.

  • Voice of Reason

    You people really buy this shit, huh? You actually think what this article says is true?!? Well my mother always taught me, you can’t fix stupid. I wish all the anti-vaxxers would just pool together and start your own country and see how long you all last without the herd immunity the rest of us are providing for you. The rest of us will live on while you put your children in an iron-lung. I’m done here.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    And you can pool together with an over-vaccinated population lacking clean water, sanitation, and inadequate food preparation/storage. We’ll make sure you have a healthy supply of McDonalds.

    We’ll see how long you last. Good day.

  • elnura

    Having read the above posting at the link above some time ago, this so called comment from an Angry Scientist-is no doubt written by a troll. What amazes me is pro-vaccine people actually believe this. Come on. Really??

    An intelligent response to ANGRY Scientist” http://vaxtruth.org/2014/01/an-angry-scientist-finds-an-uneducated-internet-comment-and-delivers-an-epic-response-edited-for-language-version/

    An Angry “Scientist” Finds an Uneducated Internet Comment and Delivers an Epic Response… *EDITED FOR LANGUAGE version*

    You may have seen a certain screenshot on quickmeme.com roaming
    around Facebook and Twitter Lands lately. I’ll admit, there’s a fair
    share of misinformation that can be found on both sides of the vaccine
    fence, and it’s true, the person that chose to make the original picture
    did not make a valid argument, spelling errors aside. If someone tried
    to mix the ingredients of any given drug, over-the-counter or not, in
    an uncontrolled and unsafe environment, and then tried to give that
    concoction to their child, they would run into some serious legal
    issues. It’s somewhat comical that the pro-vaccine club chose this
    particular picture to post about. I mean, really? That’s the best ya
    got? You picked an easy target, friends. Too easy.

    But anyhow. Insert “angry scientist.” And I use the term scientist
    loosely because I highly doubt this anonymous person on the internet is
    really, truly, an immunologist. But regardless, let’s break down his/her
    comment for fun. Using the word “epic” to describe his response is just
    silly because he’s *SO* wrong.

    Megan: VT
    Angry Scientist: AS

    AS: You are the worst person.
    VT: Really? Even worse that Kim II Sung, Emperor Hitherto, Stalin, Hitler
    and Elizabeth Bathory? Obviously you’re not a very awesome person yourself if
    you think someone that made a meme, riddled with error, is worse than those
    people.

    AS: You can be a vegan and whine at people, that’s hurting nobody but when you tell people to not take vaccines, you’re endangering public health.
    VT: This is what’s frustrating about “pro-vaxers”. They think those that
    don’t vaccinate fir into a stereotypical box. Newsflash: we come in all shapes and sizes, beliefs systems, genders, political affiliations and part of the world. And please, Mr. Anonymous Scientist, explain to me how the rise in autoimmune diseases, cancer and other chronic and serious medical conditions caused, in part, by vaccines isn’t a public health threat itself. Sorry, but those are much more scary than a (in most cases) minor virus that is easily treatable and often-times naturally preventable.

    AS: If you mixed mercury, aluminum, phosphate, ammonium sulfate,
    formaldehyde and viruses and injected it into someone, you’d kill someone
    because no pharmacological experience.
    VT: TRUTH

    AS: Why don’t you educated yourself instead of subscribing to the notion
    that all scientist are evil and want to poison you are you natural, vegan
    lifestyle. I say this as a (BLEEP) IMMUNOLOGIST, you are single handedly responsible for the skyrocketing resurgence of deaths caused by TB, measles and the worrying prospect of smallpox returning.
    VT: Since we’re focusing on spelling and grammar, I’m assuming you meant “*OR* your natural, vegan lifestyle.”

    So how do I know this person isn’t really an immunologist? I’ll point them
    out. TB of course stands for Tuberculosis, a disease that doesn’t appear on the Vaccine Schedule. There is a vaccine for it, but it’s rarely used and only in circumstances where a child’s skin test is negative and who also can’t avoid being around someone that has tuberculosis. So if an immunologist is trying to blame the skyrocketing resurgence of deaths caused by TB (which doesn’t even exist. There is no skyrocketing resurgence of deaths caused by TB. The number of deaths per year in the U.S. has actually remained steady for the last 10 years) on unvaccinated kids, he’s a nit wit. Smallpox is another disease that doesn’t appear on the vaccine schedule. NO NONE is vaccinated against smallpox anymore (except for a small percentage of the military), so it you’re worried that smallpox is going to return, it won’t because of the small pocket
    on unvaccinated children. As far as smallpox is concerned, *everyone* is
    unvaccinated. And honestly. Single handedly? Come on.

    AS: Let’s break this one down and give you some education:
    -Mercury is an element in the compound thiomersal which was part of many vaccine. It has been claimed with NO tangible evidence other that a
    multifaceted correlation that thiomersals cause autism. This has been
    investigated thoroughly and no causal link has been found.
    VT: ***Another reason I know this person isn’t an immunologist? He spelled Thimerosal wrong. Dun dun dun….
    Thimerosal is actually 49% mercury. It’s used in the manufacturing process as an anti-microbial. They try to filter out all of the thimerosal, but “trace” amounts are still left behind because it’s impossible to get all of it. The FDA allows the word “trace” amounts to equate to up to 300ppb mercury in the vaccine. Just to give you an idea, anything over 200ppb has been classified by the EPA as being hazardous.

    The correlation between vaccines and autism HAS NOT been throughly
    studied. One vaccine has been studied (MMR) and that study was done by a certain Dr. Thorsen who was found to have embezzled over a million dollars of the research money that was given to him for this study. He bought an awesome house and even a Harley Davidson. Nice guy, huh? So, if you want to trust Dr. Thorsen’s finding, go right ahead…

    In the meantime, there’s actually PLENTY of studies and other research that indicates vaccines can cause autism.

    AS: Aluminum phosphate is an aluminum salt which is used as an adjuvant in vaccines. An adjuvant is a compound which causes an immune response to be higher and stronger, so that the immune system comes into contact with the attenuated virus more, so that it can recognize the antigens of the virus and provide immunity. They are a necessary part of the vaccine if you want it to work.
    VT: Well done, Wiki, you served this “immunologist” well.
    It’s true, the aluminum in a vaccine causes a greater immune response. The downside to aluminum is that it embeds in your body tissue (including the brain). It’s in the vaccine for the sole purpose of remaining in your body for as long as possible, and while it does so it wreaks havoc on your immune system. There’s also 14 times the amount of aluminum that is FDA-approved in one vaccine. According to the FDA, they have to set a limit (which vaccines grossly exceed) because aluminum builds up in the bone and brain and van be toxic, aluminum can cause neurological harm, and aluminum overdoses can be fatal.

    AS: Ammonium sulfate is used in the process of purifying the proteins in
    the synthesis of a vaccine. It is also found in bread and flour, so you’d
    better learn to enjoy rice if you want to avoid it.
    VT: Ammonium sulfate is a neurotoxin that causes inflammation and
    irritation in the body. It’s ingredient (in bread) that many find themselves
    sensitive to. It’s estimated that almost half of the population is intolerant
    to many of the ingredients found in wheat bread flour. I happen to be one of them. My body doesn’t tolerate it when I eat it, it’s hard to fathom injecting it straight into my bloodstream. With that said, I don’t know the specific amount that is contained in a vaccine.

    AS: Formaldehyde is used in the treatment and purification of vaccine and
    stop contamination. Most of this is removed before the vaccine is shipped,
    although some remains.
    VT: There isn’t any formaldehyde in vaccines, which I would have imagined an immunologist would have pointed out. Formaldehyde is a gas. What is in a vaccine is Formalin, a liquid.
    But still, Formaln has been deemed toxic and know to cause cancer by the National Toxicology Program, the FDA, the Department of Health and Human Services, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer. According to the National Research Council, between 10%-20% of the entire population are likely allergic to it. How is any of this safe> Kids receive 50 vaccine by the time they’re 6. That’s a lot of Formalin.

    Something else I would think an immunologist would know, the formalin isn’t removed from the vaccine, it’s diluted.

    AS: In my personal and scientifically backed opinion.
    VT: *Snot* Right.

    AS: the war against diseases is a hundred fold more important than the
    mum-led war against vaccines.
    VT: Clearly if you really felt the war against vaccines was “mum-led”, you
    wouldn’t have taken up so much time in you alcohol-induced rage to spend some time with a poorly written anti-vaccine poster.

    AS: Do you want your child to die a slow, painful, agonizing death? If
    not, then shut the (bleep) up with your so called “fats” you got from Yahoo
    Answers and get your kid vaccinated.
    VT: Thankfully, considering how advanced our medical community has come in the last 200 years, an otherwise healthy child will not die a slow painful, agonizing death. Death is also not a highly probable outcome on the chance that child does come down with a vaccine “preventable” disease. On the other hand, death and serious injury is a real outcome of vaccines. This is outlined clearly in the fact that over $3 billion has been paid out to real-life children that have died or been severely injured by vaccines. Vaccine-injury is real.

    One (of the many) reason I choose not to vaccinate is because I don’t want my kids to have painful agonizing lives. And I promise, not one of my fats come from Yahoo Answers? They cone from peer reviewed medical journals, doctors, my education, the FDA, the EPA and other reputable sources.

    AS: I am going to sound derogatory, but if you don’t have formal education
    in at least biology, you have no role to talk about the way vaccines should be done. You have no idea of the actual function and mechanism in which they work and you have is a vague knowledge that mercury used to make people mad, formaldehyde is used in embalming and that ammonium sulfate and aluminum phosphate sound scary.
    VT: The great thing about research is that a lot of it is available to any
    person. It also doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that vaccines are
    dangerous. It’s not a coincidence that a lot of immunologist (real ones) don’t vaccinate their own children. The anti-vaccine movement is gaining so much force because, unfortunately, so many parents watch their children suffer through horrific vaccine reactions. That’s what we want to help prevent. 50 vaccines in 6 years is too many and the vaccine schedule has *never* been studied for safety or efficacy. How does a doctor or scientist know that giving DTaP, MMR, a flu shot, and Hep B shots all on one day is safe? They don’t!

    AS: Vaccinate your kids if you want them to live. End of. If you don’t
    then you clearly don’t love your kids and would prefer to see them die of
    completely preventable diseases.
    VT: The research has already been done, and if more come out in the future that would be amazing. Unvaccinated kids are healthier than vaccinated kid. They have less asthma, ear infections, eczema, autism, autoimmune diseases, etc. Because of better living conditions, cleanwater, healthcare, knowledge of how to naturally prevent diseases etc., unvaccinated kids don’t die from diseases. If you love your kids EDUCATE YOURSELF about vaccines. Don’t pretend to be an immunologist on the Internet.

    AS: This has been a rage filled, alcohol induced response from a
    scientist.
    VT: “Rage-filled, alcohol-induced=believable. “Scientist”=not likely, but
    nice try. I could also add “uneducated, misinformed, deceitful” to that laundry list of characterists.

  • elnura

    scientific results

    Please provide the following scientific results:

    An Independent double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
    This means no pharmaceutical industry funding or researchers. Study must be devoid of any industry involvement. This also includes the AMA, AAP, IOM, CDC, NIH, FDA, any university or hospital associated with the vaccine industry in this country and abroad.

    Provide an independent scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

    Provide Independent scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations.

    Thank you

  • john

    when ur kid has polio and the measles they can put cause of death the stupid parents

  • Lawrence Meyers

    Okay, I’ll play that game. Let’s dismiss all studies as being biased.

    Now, let’s look at the trend of childhood disease since vaccinations were invented and mass distributed vs. the period before.

    Vaccinations win via empirical evidence. And most parents wisely select to vaccinate because the odds of alleged side effects, which have never been empirically or scientifically proven, are so low — if they even exist — that to not vaccinate would be a calculated risk they choose not to take.

  • Undecider

    You mean like the vaccinated kids in California who have contracted polio?

  • Lawrence Meyers

    Now that that’s out of the way –

    There has NEVER been a single study done, ever, by anyone that has provided a definitive causal link between vaccinations and side effects. Zero. None.

  • Undecider

    Read up on the polio “outbreaks.” The cases all came from the vaccinated.

  • Undecider

    Do you know anyone who has died as a result of a vaccine? I do.

  • Undecider

    Why don’t you just get a polio vaccine instead? Treat yourself. Do the world a favor.

  • Undecider

    Ever heard of eugenics?

  • Undecider

    Here’s the bottom line. If you are so concerned about contracting some disease, you are more than welcome to march yourself into the doctor’s office to get a vaccine. However, don’t get upset if you contract the actual disease the vaccine was advertised to protect against (what usually happens). Don’t feel bad for falling prey to one or more of the adverse reactions (up to and including death).

    But since you’ll be vaccinated, you should have nothing to fear from those who aren’t. You have nothing to be worried about or no need to argue anything. You’ve done your part to accept the jab. The rest of us who don’t want to pollute our bodies, just leave us alone. Since you think we’re all going to die from some nasty disease, you should be happy. However, if you die first from your exposure, well that’s your fault. Just don’t get near us as you shed and offgas your live viruses.

    We have no responsibility to you to put wretched chemicals (that offer no guarantee of protection) in our bodies. If we don’t like the results, we can’t get the chemicals and viruses removed. Furthermore, since they, the health care practitioners, refuse to accept responsibility in the event something goes wrong, I just can accept their toxins.

    Thanks but no thanks!

  • Lou

    India’s polio vaccination experience

    After years of massive administration of polio vaccine, India was declared polio-free and the last reported incidence of polio in India was in January 2011. Although the reported milestone has been widely publicized, what has not been so
    widely reported is that there were an extra 47,500 new cases in 2011 of
    the rare illness known as Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis (NPAFP).

    The incidence of NPAFP in India in 2011 was 12 times higher than expected
    and was found to be directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though it may be called “Non-Polio” the symptoms of NPAFP are clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis and the illness is twice as deadly.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/044104_polio-like_outbreak_polio_vaccine_childhood_paralysis.html##ixzz2ugZcHu9V

    Oh will it ever end?

    Yes it will when enough mothers decide ENOUGH is ENOUGH. Get your damn toxic worthless needles away from my kids, my husband and ME.

  • Lou

    Sir please learn a little about polio other than the standard propaganda.

    “Polio has not been eradicated by vaccination, it is lurking behind a
    redefinition and new diagnostic names like viral or aseptic meningitis. When the first, injectible polio vaccine was tested on some 1.8 million children in the United States in 1954, within 9 days there was huge epidemic of paralytic polio in the vaccinated and some of their parents and other contacts. The US Surgeon General discontinued the trial for 2 weeks.”
    Doctor Viera Scheibner PhD

    “The vaccinators then put their heads together and came back
    with a new definition of poliomyelitis. The old, classical, definition: a
    disease with residual paralysis which resolves within 60 days has been changed to a disease with residual paralysis which persists for more than 60 days. Knowing the reality of polio disease, this nifty but dishonest administrative move excluded more than 90% of polio cases from the definition of polio. Ever since then, when a polio-vaccinated person gets polio, it will not be diagnosed as polio, it will be diagnosed as viral or aseptic meningitis. According to one of the 1997 issues of the MMWR, there are some 30,000 to 50,000 cases of viral meningitis per year in the United States alone. That’s where all those 30,000 – 50,000 cases of polio disappeared after the introduction of mass vaccination. One must also be aware that polio is a man-made disease since those well-publicized outbreaks are misrepresented that those huge outbreaks were causally linked to intensified diphtheria and other vaccinations at the relevant time.”
    Doctor Viera Scheibner PhD

    “New studies have found that SV-40, a major contaminant of the polio vaccine until 1963, not only existed as a latent virus for the lifetime of those exposed to the vaccine but was being passed on to the next generation, primarily by way of sperm, something called vertical transmission. This means that every generation from now on will be infected with this known carcinogenic virus. There is also compelling evidence that some polio vaccines manufactured after 1963 may contain SV-40 virus.” Doctor Russell
    Blaylock MD

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_polio.htm

  • Boris Ogon

    “A study from the 1990s has come to light”

    You mean since the last time it’s been regurgitated? AoA: 2008. Natural News: 2011, 2012. David Michael Augenstein: 2011. Etc., etc.

  • Roxanne

    Right, like the herd immunity you got against Scarlet Fever from the Scarlet
    Fever vaccine… OH WAIT… There was no vaccine administered against
    Scarlet Fever!
    Educate yourself Reasonless about the difference between
    REAL herd immunity and that inferior, temporal needle you call vaccination.

  • Roxanne

    “Don’t let us near you as you shed and off gas your live viruses” Exactly!

  • Roxanne

    For my friend Lawrence,

    **The Hepatitis B Vaccine and Vision Loss:

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    **The Hepatitis B Vaccine and Hearing Loss:

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  • Roxanne

    Lawrence Meyers wrote: “There has NEVER been a single study done, ever, by anyone that has provided a definitive causal link between vaccinations and side effects. Zero. None”

    Wow, that’s some deep religion you have, Lawrence. Even the manufacturers’ monographs based on junk science trials warn of side effects. Yep, that Hep B vaccine really did make you blind to vaccine dogmas.

    “Genetically engineered Hepatitis B vaccines contain polypeptide sequences that are present in human neurologic tissues such as myelin, and that by a mechanism called molecular mimicry, these polypeptides can act as autoantigens which can induce autoimmune demyelinating disease of the brain such as Multiple Sclerosis…. One wonders how the CDC continues to reassure the public about the safety of the Hepatitis B vaccine when they must be aware of thousands of reports to the Vaccine Adverse Reporting System following vaccination including Multiple Sclerosis, Guillan Barre, and autoimmune arthritis; and when there are at least twenty articles in peer reviewed journals medical literature of diseases such as MS and optic neuritis that occurred after Hep. B Vaccanation.”
    ‘A Mortatorium Should Be Placed on This Experiment’, Burton Waisbren MD, FACP, Cell Biologist, Infectious Disease Specialist

  • cheleagh

    Just linked this page from the Stop The Australian vaccination Network. They’re over there having a great old time playing with this page like cats with a mouse.
    They’re in a ‘safe house’ over there because any who goes on there and attempts some good solid debating, or some respectful sharing of information that’s not quite up to their line of thinking, are out.
    I only occasionally observe as I too am banned from the site.
    I sometimes think I am watching a mix of Groundhog Day, and a poor version of Days of our Lives. Every day they continually agree with each other on all counts, and the rest of the disagreeing world are instantly wrong.

    The above is but my personal opinion and I may well be wrong.

    As for the comparison topic on this page, i have seen first hand over the last 25 years, unvaccinated kids doing much better(health wise) than their vaccinated counterparts.

  • sabelmouse

    one reason why i avoid doctors like the plague. another is a host of bad experiences for myself.

  • elnura

    Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries Of Official Statistics
    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

    This is the data the drug industry do not want you to see. Here 2 centuries of UK, USA and Australian official death statistics show conclusively and scientifically modern
    medicine is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improved life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies.

    The main advances in combating disease over 200 years have been better food and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less overcrowded and better living conditions also contribute. This is also borne out in published peer reviewed research:

    “The questionable contribution of medical measures to the decline of mortality in the United States in the twentieth century“. McKinlay JB, McKinlay SM, Milbank Mem Fund Q Health Soc. 1977 Summer; 55(3): 405-28.

    “Symposium:Accomplishments in Child Nutrition during the 20th Century. Infant Mortality in the 20th Century, Dramatic but Uneven Progress” Myron E. Wegman School of Public Health, University of Michigan: J. Nutr. 131: 401S–408S, 2001.

  • Coco

    I can read plenty, thank you. And I love my child with everything I have so don’t even go there. I am also reading a 20 year old study and you are going on rant like people are actually listening to you. Learn how to speak to people and maybe you can help them understand all your knowledge and not just think you are a total jerk. For me, I’ve done my research and it is my choice to vaccinate. We are a world traveling family with the military and yes I would like for my child not to contract some life threatening disease because I didn’t give her the vaccination that was available. It is a very difficult decision either way a parent decides. There is no solid proof on either side so it all comes down to mom and dad deciding for their child. ccdaddy- You have no right to speak to people that way and I am sorry you are going through life so angry. I wish you and your family well.

    ps… No I am not “pharma friendly” – she has never taken anything since she’s never been sick… why would I give her anything otherwise???

  • elnura

    most parents wisely select to vaccinate because the odds of alleged side effects,

    Most parents choose vaccination because they are manipulate by decades of propaganda. The PR campaign for vaccination goes back to the Polio vaccine where people were told that it was safe and effective. The coverup began with the Field Trials and went into full swing from there.

    The 1955, Journal of American Statistical Assn 50: 1005- 1013, stated of the Francis report:
    -59% of the trial was worthless because of lack of adequate controls. The remaining 41% may have been alright, but contains internal evidence of bias in favour of the vaccinated.

    In BMJ, April 30, 1955, it stated about the Francis Report, that large sections of the trial were subject to doubtful procedures and open to criticism; for instance:

    1) Inoculated children in one large section were not the same age as the un-inoculated controls.

    2) Children to be inoculated were those whose parents agreed to have it done. It is recognized amongst statisticians involved in similar assessments that the social position and care in volunteer families are usually superior to that in controls.

    The vaccine was such a failure that in 1958, the CDC formally adopted the “Best available paralytic poliomyelitis case count” or BAPPCC. This changed the criteria for diagnosing Polio. Full court blitz campaign was on using celebrities and government officials as spokespersons. The best way to manipulate a populace is to using “authority figures” to push your product. This is why parents chose to continue to vaccinate. They are told and reassured that Vaccine work by the Peds, government & their favorite celebrity just like the Polio vaccine:

    Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz for the March of Dimes
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOXw-Px-X-8
    Sammy Davis Junior for the March of Dimes
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RQJOI-n5zY
    Ella Fitzgerald for the March of Dime
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZJY0HPww4U
    Marilyn Monroe – At The March of Dimes 1958. Extremely RARE !http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycc_uGLuicY

    Who are the propagandist for today?
    Dr. Nancy Snyderman
    Dr. Sanjay Gupta
    Dr. Timothy Johnson
    Dr. Oz
    Dr. Drew
    Dr. Phil
    Bill Gates
    Amanda Peet
    The list is endless…

    Edward L. Bernays, the father of spin dominated the PR industry until the 1940s, and was a significant force for another 40 years created a map for the government and ad agencies to follow:
    -create smoke and mirror by reframing a product or topic. He described the public as a ‘herd that needed to be led.’ And this herdlike thinking makes people “susceptible to leadership.” Bernays never deviated from his fundamental axiom to “control the masses without their knowing it.” The best PR happens with the people unaware that they are being manipulated.

    This is why parents continue to vaccinate. This map was printed in the 1950′s and continues to be refined but on a more high tech slick level. Hey, Bernays helped promote cigarette smoking for the cigarette industry and to this day, despite all the evidence that smoking causes lung cancer, people still light up. He promoted drinking as a way to increase sex appeal and enhance men’s prowess despite the fact that excessive consumption can lead to alcoholism and possible death from liver failure. Bacon and eggs are a healthy way to start the day-every day-he’s responsible for that.

    Adolf Hitler actually used Bernay’s book, Propaganda, in Nazi, Germany to manipulate the German people. Two of the most famous of Hitler’s quotes:

    -All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.

    -If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
    Adolf Hitler

    This is why parents continue to vaccinate their children. If you ask them anything about a vaccine-they are clueless. I do this frequently. People are shaken to the core when I reveal the lies of the vaccine industry to them and provide them documentation to support what I’m saying.

    Truth IS Truth
    even if no one believes it.
    A Lie Is A Lie
    even if everyone believes it

  • Lou

    “Here’s the bottom line. If you are so concerned about contracting some
    disease, you are more than welcome to march yourself into the doctor’s
    office to get a vaccine.”

    When you step back and look at the basic theory of “vaccination” it is pure insanity. Your immune system deals with perhaps tens of millions of pathogens there is NO way you can “vaccinate” for .001% of them. So we must pick and choose. “Vaccination” almost by definition is immunosupressive, we certainly see this immunosupression clinically. So to “protect” against an exceedingly small percentage of pathogens we are weakening the very system that is protecting us from a universe of pathogens known, unknown and as of today non-existent.

    That is the BEST case; empirically we have seen “vaccination” does not even protect against the SINGLE pathogen “vaccinated” against. ie. pertussis.

    “An Africa study done in 2000, covering a six-year period and examining the health of 15,000 children, showed that the death rate from diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough was twice as high in vaccinated children compared to unvaccinated children.” More Vaccines or Better Nutrition Prevents Disease? Note if this study were held in the US the results may be the same. No worries “vaccination” is not clinically tested in the good ole USA.

    “There are only a handful of deaths attributed to whooping cough
    in the United States each year, and most of those are infants––some of whom are too young to get the vaccine. So why is the CDC now pushing for every person to be immunized [sic.] in infancy and then receive five more booster vaccinations as they advance into adulthood and old age? You have almost no chance of getting whooping cough as an infant, and you have even less chance as an adult.” Doctor William Douglass MD, Note,
    MANY studies have shown this “vaccine” is near worthless at preventing the disease in the US and MANY countries have banned it. IMO what the CDC et al are doing is suppressing the immune systems of our helpless infants and the rest of us too, pure and simple

    “Jordan pointed out that in 1915 the pertussis vaccine became available and was widely given. This bacterial poison from whopping cough, called pertussis coxon, so depresses the immune system that it is used in laboratories today to turn off nutrafils and reduce white blood cell counts.”
    Vaccine Induced Cytokine Storm

    “In 1986 there were 1300 cases of pertussis in Kansas and 90 % of these cases occurred in children who had been adequately vaccinated. Similar vaccine failures have been reported from Nova Scotia where pertussis continues to be occurring despite universal vaccination. Pertussis remains endemic[4] in the Netherlands where for more than 20 years 96 % of children have received 3 pertussis shots by age 12 months.” Why-you-should-avoid-taking-vaccines

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_pertussis.htm

  • elnura

    Study was done, it was suppressed by the CDC. Also, their researcher, Poul Thorsen was indicted for embezzling a million dollars in grant money. He is presently on the run in Europe, hiding from Interpol.

    Verstraeten CDC Internal Email: “It Just Won’t Go Away
    http://putchildrenfirst.org/media/2.7.pdf

    In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session — only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug
    Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including
    GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly “embargoed.” There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left. (My note: Excluding the media and the public from this meeting was illegal)

    The federal officials and industry representatives had
    assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and
    young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency’s massive database containing the medical records of 100,000
    children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines — thimerosal — appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. “I was actually stunned by what I saw,” Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants — in one case, within hours of birth — the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children. (My note:The CDC announced in April 2013 that the Autism rate in the US is now 1 child in 50.)

    Transcripts of meeting can be found: Scientific Review of
    Vaccine Safety Datalink Information June 7-8, 2000 Simpsonwood Retreat Center Norcross, Georgia. http://www.thinktwice.com/simpwood.pdf

    Analysis of the transcript: The Truth Behind the Vaccine Coverup: Russell L. Blaylock, MD Medical Verdais http://medicalveritas.com/manBlaylock.pdf

    Deadly Immunity: The Mercury Coverup: http://www.thinktwice.com/Kennedy.pdf

    Vaccine Industry Watchdog Obtains CDC Documents That
    Show Statistically Significant Risks of Autism Associated with Vaccine Preservative Thimerosal Biochemist Brian Hooker, scientific advisor to A Shot of Truth, reveals CDC knew of risks for over a decade.
    http://www.prweb.com/releases/ASOT/Thimerosal/prweb11598819.htm

    Notes: Emphasis added to quotes. The transcript from this meeting was obtained through a FOIA request by parents.

    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40-41: “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three
    and six months of age, language and speech delays, which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of
    these plus a number of other disorders.”

    Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: “We have asked you to keep this information confidential. We do have a plan for discussing these data at the upcoming meeting of the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices on June 21 and June 22. At that time CDC plans to make a public release of this information so I think it would serve all of our interests best if we could continue to consider these data. The ACIP work group will be considering also. If we could
    consider these data in a certain protected environment. So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information.”

    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 165: “Personally,I have three hypotheses. My first hypothesis is it is parental bias.
    The children that are more likely to be vaccinated are more likely to be picked and diagnosed. Second hypothesis, I don’t know. There is a bias that I have not recognized, and nobody has yet told me about it. Third hypothesis. It’s true, it’s Thimerosal. Those are my hypotheses.”

    Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: “This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if
    suitable alternative preparations are available. I do not believe the diagnoses justifies compensation in the Vaccine Compensation Program at this point. I deal with causality, it seems pretty clear to me that the data are not sufficient one way or the other. My gut feeling? It worries
    me enough. Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out of an eight o’clock for an emergency call and my daughter-in-law delivered her son by C-section. Our first male in the line of the next generation, and I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine
    until we know better what is going on. It will probably take a long time. In the meantime, and I know there are probably implications for this internationally, but in the meantime I think I want that grandson to only be given Thimerosal-free vaccines.”

    Dr. Weil of the AAP, pg. 207: “The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant. The positive relationships are those that one might expect from the Faroe Islands studies. They are also related to those data we do have on experimental animal data and similar to the neurodevelopmental tox data on other substances, so that I think you can’t accept that this is out of the ordinary. It isn’t out of the
    ordinary.”

    Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: “I am really concerned that we have taken off like a boat going down one arm of the mangrove swamp at high speed, when in fact there was not enough discussion really early on about which was the boat should go at all. And I really want to risk offending everyone in the room by saying that perhaps this study should not have been done at all, because the
    outcome of it could have, to some extent, been predicted, and we have all reached this point now where we are left hanging, even though I hear the majority of consultants say to the Board that they are not convinced there is a causality direct link between Thimerosal and various neurological outcomes.”

    “I know how we handle it from here is extremely problematic. The ACIP is going to depend on comments
    from this group in order to move forward into policy, and I have been advised that whatever I say should not move into the policy area because that is not the point of this meeting. But nonetheless, we know from many experiences in history that the pure scientist has done research because of pure science. But that pure science has resulted in splitting the atom or some other process, which is completely beyond the power of the scientists who did the research to control it. And what we have
    here is people who have, for every best reason in the world, pursued a direction of research. But there is not the point at which the research results have to be handled, and even if this committee decides that there is no association and that information gets out, the work that has been done and through the freedom of information that will be taken by others and will be used in ways beyond the control of this group. And I am very concerned about that as I suspect it already too late to do anything regardless of any professional body and what they say.”

    “My mandate as I sit here in this group is to make sure at the end of the day the 100,000,000 are immunized with DTP, Hepatitis B and if possible Hib, this year, next year and for many years to come, and that will have to be with Thimerosal containing vaccines unless a miracle occurs and an alternative is found quickly and is tried and found to be safe.”

    “So I leave you with the challenge that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed to the traps which are out there in
    public relations. My message would be that any other study, and I like the study that has just been described here very much. I think it makes a lot of sense, but it has to be thought through. What are the potential outcomes and how will you handle it? How will it be presented to a
    public and media that is hungry for selecting the information they want to use for whatever means they in store for them?…but I wonder how on earth you are going to handle it from here.”

  • Lou

    “There has NEVER been a single study done, ever, by anyone that has
    provided a definitive causal link between vaccinations and side effects.
    Zero. None”

    Perhaps this is so if you close your eyes, block your ears and take a few “drugs’.

    “Studies internationally
    have shown vaccination to be a cause of SIDS9,10
    (SIDS, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, is a “catch-all” diagnosis given when the
    specific cause of death is unknown; estimates range from 5,000 to 10,000 cases
    each year in the US). One study found the peak incidence of SIDS occurred at
    the ages of 2 and 4 months in the U.S., precisely when the first two
    routine immunizations are given,11
    while another found a clear pattern of correlation extending three weeks after
    immunization. Another study found that 3,000 children die within 4 days of
    vaccination each year in the U.S.
    (amazingly, the authors reported no SIDS/vaccine relationship), while yet
    another researcher’s studies led to the conclusion that at least half of SIDS
    cases are caused by vaccines.12
    In the mid 1970′s Japan
    raised their vaccination age from two months to two years; their incidence of
    SIDS dropped dramatically;14”

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_SIDS.htm

  • Lou

    So sad with the Aussies. They used to be the freest of people then one day their Prime Minister, a good honest kind man, an EXCELLENT swimmer went in for his daily swim. It must have taken two or three evil frogmen to drown him.

    It has been straight downhill since. Come to think of it that was about the same time the great “vaccination” deadly scam began to roll in earnest.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    It’s their anti-social way of saying hello.

  • AQ

    I cordially invite you to provide whatever proof you think that you have that I am somehow magically in somebody’s pay. I could really use the money right now, so if you could please tell me which arm of Big Pharma is supposedly paying me, I’d really appreciate it.

    Furthermore, I suggest you look up the word “troll”–disagreeing with you and challenging you to back up your statements with some actual hard evidence is NOT trolling.

  • AQ

    Please provide some actual peer-reviewed proof that vaccination causes autism or ASDs. Quackery from Natural News or Healthy Protocols doesn’t count.

    Then explain to me how my nephew (who is on the Autistic Spectrum) was evaluated as Autistic BEFORE he was even vaccinated.

    I look forward to you using some actual science, rather than regurgitating hysteria.

  • AQ

    Proof, please.

  • AQ

    False equivalency, red herring, Appeal to Hysteria–try again!

  • AQ

    Disagreeing and debunking is not trolling.

    Nice try though.

  • ccdaddy

    You say, there is no proof, either way, Have you read, what I wrote. On, if Dr. was right,about 30 ppb of ingested arsenic in our kids apple juice. What have these people done, to a generation of American kids? By allowing a toxin, that’s injected. That BTW, is 500 times more toxic, than the ingested arsenic was. It’s an injected,form of mercury, in a preservative. That FYI BTW, was used in almost all, children’s vaccines. And, almost all, of your husbands military vaccines. ( BTW, thank you much, for your family’s, and most of all your husbands, service to our country)The amount, of ppb’s in the preservative was first injected into your children
    was in the 1,000′s of ppb. It was the hep-b,given within hours of the first breath,your child took. It is, within months, repeated. But this time,your child may get, up to 9 vaccines. Most, will contain, the injected mercury.
    We are now at,10′s of thousands of ppb. And all, are being given, in one day, at one point in time.

    In one, little body. Now consider this, that’s not even, adding up, all the other Toxins and other heavy metals.
    That are in vaccines.

    There’s a bad process,that can take place, if you mix (Mercury with Aluminum) it is known as, a synergistic effect. That’s when you mix,two metals, and the primary toxin, because of the synergistic effect. It climbs, by 10 to 100 times the original toxicity.

    Not only, was the preservative Thimerosal that’s BTW FYI is 50 % mercury by weight,in vaccines. But also,
    Aluminum, as a catalyst. It’s used, to cause the desired immune response.

    On the Manufacturer’s, own Material Safety Data Sheet, (MSDS) it states, under re-activity data. “to not mix their
    product thimerosal with Aluminum” That is, a crystal clear,warning that they chose to not heed. If you had done, your own research,you would know, that for what ever reason,these people in charge of vaccine safety.
    They almost never! listen to, or heed any warnings.

    FYI,an FDA officer told me, that anything injected is far worse than ingested. For it, by passes, the body’s filtering organs. He also told me,”son, if I could take off my FDA hat, I would have to agree, to everything you said” He then said, “you do know,that I cannot do that,right” ! So there you have it, but don’t just go on that, here is something by them. The FDA and the CDC. That lets you understand,they knew that they had really screwed up. Big!

    This, is from some of their own (internal) FDA and CDC FOIA received emails. You,concerned mom, you be the judge.

    FDA to FDA “were afraid the public,will perceive us asleep at the switch for decades,for allowing this dangerous compound, to remain in the vaccines”

    FDA to FDA “and it’s no longer going to wash,that there’s no evidence of a risk”

    I am going, to send you the proof, that they had over a 7 times risk. With 2.00, being the legal definition ,so to speak,for causation. They knew,that they were in big trouble. Hence,the emails, among them selves, that reflect just that.

    CDC, about the FDA’s incompetence. “how could the FDA,approve a preservative,without knowing, how much
    mercury it contained? ” He said “what else, is lurking,
    we know nothing about?”

    CDC, about the FDA’s inability, to do simple math.
    “this was not rocket science,it was ninth grade math”
    The CDC officer, was referring to the simple fact,that it doesn’t take a genius,to add up all of the cumulative doses. Just a person, that can do, ninth grade math.

    FDA, CDC, not sure, “maybe we should treat this, like the Tylenol poisonings,admit that it happened,show contrition, and then pull it from the shelves.

    More to come,for these people, left a paper trail that’s
    a mile long. Proving,for a fact,that they don’t practice vaccine safety,at all.

  • Julie

    I read this reply, and this is in fact a real person with 4 vaccinated children having one at 28 weeks (and if it isn’t her, it is someone with an identical story) – who actually received extra vaccinations to prevent getting RSV which could have been deadly for him! I know, because I know her personally and her 4 healthy children. Why do the anti-vaccination supporters feel so confident that there can’t be vaccinated children out there who are healthy? I know many, including my children. To tell someone who is simply responding to a post that they are lying to try to sway others is simply crazy – she wasn’t telling anyone that they were making up stories about their healthy un-vaccinated children.”I’m not pro or con vaccine….can’t we just each make our own informed
    decision for what is best for OUR children without being put on a guilt
    trip?”. So instead you anti-vaccine people like to name call and term people as liars because they are speaking their own truth. Articles like this are public and open for anyone to respond to, and to voice their opinion…and the “study” deserves to be attacked because it is not a study (it was a poll) and should not read “prove without a doubt” because there is nothing in this article that proves without a doubt what it states. If the article was termed differently, maybe it wouldn’t be attacked. I respect those replies that respond with real studies and data, rather than those that bash and attack someone who is responding with information that they don’t agree with. But for just a moment let me sink to your level – Do you choose to use such awful grammar and punctuation to stand out, or because you truly don’t know better. Because out of the two replies, if I were a young woman who was researching vaccination, I would have much more respect and would listen to the person above you who you accused of lying, rather than the person who posted a reply calling her a liar with so many grammar errors that should have been learned in elementary school.

  • ccdaddy

    You don’t get it, do you. This is a fight,for our Nations children. Your children,were not effected. You need, to thank God for that! But 1 in 50 children, with 1 in 31 being boys. They were! And in 6 short yr’s, it will be 1 in 2 by 2020. There is evidence, coming out all across the globe. Showing no! (proving) that the vaccines,are not working. And in the case, of cocooning, that was ever
    so brilliantly, thought up by the AAP. It appears,to have been working alright, but in reverse.

    In other words, those who were told to get a fresh round of vaccines. To protect, their new born family member. They just found out, that the newly vaccinated, were shedding those viruses, on to the newborn. For up to, 5 whole weeks.

    They said that,not!us. More recently, a study funded by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) verified that the whooping cough vaccine, which is also contained in the combination DTaP injection, does not even prevent the spread of whooping cough as commonly claimed. On the contrary, the vaccine allowed the disease to fester inside the bodies of test baboons for up to five weeks, debunking a widely believed myth.

    I could go, on and on,but why bother. Like you said,your children are fully vaccinated, and they are just fine.

    The AAP and the CDC,is attacking the parents rights
    to not vaccinate. By taking away, our state given, opt
    out exemptions. Which makes no sense,

    if the vaccinated, are the ones causing the out breaks,
    why are the headlines,thus. “as the outbreaks grow, the CDC & AAP and states are seeking to tighten vaccine exemptions” ????

    FOOLS GOLD!

  • Lou

    “Please provide some actual peer-reviewed proof”

    No Sir you please provide some, ANY evidence “vaccination” is doing ANY good.

    TIA

  • Julie

    Thank you for an educated, thoughtful response, and not needless name calling and bashing, truly, no sarcasm here. I am not debating if vaccinated children are not as healthy as unvaccinated children, but as you said, this article proves nothing. I would love to see studies done, and it may be absolutely true – but it also is not true that all vaccinated children are sickly – there are many vaccinated children who also don’t catch every cold that comes around and don’t have allergies or many of the other conditions listed.

  • ccdaddy

    They originally found, over 7 times risk, for autism and other, neurological problems. Then, it was whittled down
    to 2.48. Which, was also still to much, since 2.00 is legal causation. They finally, got the numbers down to,1.59. By as, Florida Congressman, Dr. Weldon had explained. Was done by, selective use of the data. Now here’s, where it gets real interesting,and at the same time pretty close to criminal. The data they used, to reduce the the risk to 1.59, at first was just missing. They needed, to find it, they said.Then, after a while, of getting FOIA request, for the lost data from non bias independent researchers.

    The CDC, makes a statement, that all of that data, used to bring down the 2.48 times risk.To 1.59. Unfortunately, it has accidentally been destroyed???????

    7.6 to 2.48 to 1.59, And then,all of the data used by them to move it to that desired acceptable below the
    legal of 2.00. It go’s missing at first,and then it the data,it mysteriously some how gets destroyed.

    Here’s proof that they knew,and here’s the proof that they were very worried.

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/cdc-caught-hiding-data-showing-mercury-in-vaccines-linked-to-autism/

  • hummingbug

    Though I’m more in favor for not vaccinating, I would say that the Polio vaccine is one vaccination that’s doing good.

  • hummingbug

    I suppose it depends. On the one hand, if you don’t plan on going anywhere and somehow know if your children don’t plan on going anywhere (traveling abroad) then I wouldn’t worry about vaccinations. But, in the event that you are traveling parents, I would be careful NOT to vaccinate your children simply because if you’re a traveler you’re exposed to much more than the average person is. (And even if your children aren’t traveling with you, if you’re vaccinated already you may not be susceptible but you can be a carrier and bring whatever disease home). So I suppose there’s not just one answer for all. The healthier alternative is to not vaccinate, but don’t let stubbornness put your child at risk IF you’re traveling parents.

  • Lou

    Please show us the specifics.

    My opinion is that the “polio vaccines” have been perhaps the deadliest fraud in all of “vaccination”.

    Let us sum up the “Polio Vaccine” Disaster

    The “diphtheria and pertussis vaccines” were used to drive up the occurrences of polio.

    Rockefeller Labs developed a new super virulent (25% paralysis) strain of the polio virus

    “Vaccination” and antibiotics, then new medical modalities, promote polio

    Tonsillectomies. very big after the war, promote polio

    All this caused the incidence of serious paralytic polio to skyrocket

    This caused a demand to “do something” about polio

    Next a “polio vaccine” was made with monkey kidneys known by some people to contain SV-40

    Doctor Bernice Eddy of NIH warned that SV-40 caused
    cancer in primates. She lost her research lab and research position. Those in charge of NIH silenced Doctor Eddy. Why?.

    The “cancer causing polio vaccine” was injected into hundreds of millions of poor trusting souls

    Fathers who were “vaccinated” passed the SV-40 to their offspring

    These offspring passed the SV-40 to their offspring

    These offspring passed the SV-40 to their offspring

    At least 75 strains of the polio virus now exist compared to 3 before the “polio vaccine” era.

    These new strains of polio have resulted in MANY new diseases such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

    This is a TERRIBLE result of “vaccination”; we
    are creating new disease with the “vaccines”.

    The third generation after receiving the “cancer causing polio vaccine” by their grandparents is VERY likely to pass the cancer causing SV-40 virus to their offspring ad infinitum. WOW what a bio-weapon this “wonderful polio vaccine” turned out to be.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_polio.htm

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    This has to be the most laughable article I have ever seen,

    So tell me, if you were presented with 200 children, 100 were not vaccinated and 100 vaccinated. All vaccination and health records withheld for the integrity of the study. How can you 100% truthfully without doubt tell me which children are “healthier” based on vaccination status? What tests will you run to determine this? Its amazing what stupidity you people suck up! And the references used here!? OMG big research fail!!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Oh Lou I’m Laughing so hard. Natural news? Healthy Protocols? They are nothing more than propagandist opinion pieces for the gullible trying to look credible! These guys don’t know how to research at all to formulate their articles. Such a fail.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Your “opinion”?…..an opinion that has no basis to it other than twisted rhetoric from dubious sources? An opinion of a person who has no qualifications and who has never conducted a research study themselves and who reads and believes propaganda? Oh please. You are merely regurgitating propaganda and conspiracy lies. Show us proof REAL hard proof for all that you say.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    More regurgitation of unsubstantiated crap. Or should I say projectile vomiting?

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Oh Roxanne your rabid ignorance is amusing!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Show us the sources. Its probably the usual twisted crap that can’t substantiate itself with real research

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Oh they are laughable…..the funniest thing is when you catch them out eating Macca’s

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    They can’t handle their cosy little lies being debunked.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    If you bother to read any CURRENT research Vaccination is NOT linked to SIDS at all.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    I’m yet to find anything here that IS rational and worthy of discussion. I’m having a great time though.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    So where are these all kids that have been killed by it? I like to read real research myself not myths peddled by hysterical old fear mongers

  • hommedespoir

    If you cannot or will not read vax labels yourself, or if you cannot or will not use G**gl* search….. why not hire a lackey?
    What’s your problem, dude?
    Or am I just born lucky?
    I can still read by myself, even without having to follow the words with a finger:

  • ccdaddy

    Not bragging at all,I know that my grammar, is far from great.

    But why,did you not notice,that her punctuation, was even worse? I don’t believe, there was any comma’s.

  • elnura

    DNFTT.

  • elnura

    Do you have something cogent to add to the discussion or are you here just to distract or should I say try to distract. Your comment just outed you as a troll which according to a recent study means you are a Machiavellian Sadist. No one will take what you post seriously.

  • elnura

    You’re starting to sound remarkable like someone who was recently booted off this board. Is that you-Troll Nation?

  • elnura

    Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    I think you have an idea who this is. It sure sounds like someone recently removed.

  • chrisalien

    Well yours isnt

  • chrisalien

    Look it up. Or are you too lazy. No more spoon feeding trolls.

  • chrisalien

    Lies???…your a joke….and a troll.

  • chrisalien

    well done Roxanne

  • chrisalien

    for a start , they will never do any studies because they already know the outcome. Vaccines dont work , thats why the dont use proper placebo’s and all the “peer” reviewed studies are biased.

  • chrisalien

    Wrong. Vaccinate your kids and go into a 3rd world environment. Get them to eat the crap and drink the filthy water. I guarantee you they will get sick.

  • chrisalien

    Yes there was…Andrew wakefield. Plus others after him. But we know what happened to him because of it. They will stop at nothing to destroy anybody in their way. Also Gardasil…wow I mean you are obviously living in a fantasy world…but dont let that upset your religious doctrine.!

    Check out Tomljenovic http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=46576.0

    This gets very boring. Why dont you liars crawl back to your big pharma sugar daddies backsides. By the way, how much do they pay??

  • Lou

    Today I said hello to two very young vaccine damaged children in the supermarket. How did I know these poor babies being sacrificed on the altar of “vaccination” were vaccine damaged? Their eyes could not properly focus; they acted as if slightly drunk; they were trying but failing to comprehend their surroundings.

    You do not need “records” and “peer reviewed studies” to see what is happening in America and now India, Pakistan et al. All you need are EYES and the ability to see and CARE.

    “ALL vaccines are causing immediate and delayed, acute and chronic, waxing and waning, impairments to blood flow, throughout the brain and body. This IS causing us all to become chronically ill, sick, and causing brain damages along a continuum of clinically silent to death. This is causing ischemic “strokes”. In some respects, this is also “aging.” Since the damages are microscopic, we cannot see them as they occur. However, we can now see the neurological aftermath of these damages – within hours and days of vaccination – all vaccinations.” Andrew Moulden MD, PhD

    “Derailing microscopic blood flow is the key to many diseases. Every vaccination from infantry to adulthood causes the same damages
    in you weather you receive a diagnostic label or not the damages are additive. Mothers being vaccinated have fetuses or breast feeding infants showing the same damages leading to autism within hours.” Doctor Andrew Moulden MD, PhD

    “But this is a “superficial concern” according to Doctor Leonard Horowitz, who references neurobehavioral and neurocognitive disorders demonstrated in vaccine recipients who were normal before getting vaccinated. He credits the brilliant work of Doctor Andrew Moulden, MD, PhD, photographically detailing tremendous physical damage occurring following vaccinations. These previously unknown and unseen subtle changes in nerve function and physical appearance is now demonstrated in pictures by Doctor Moulden that are irrefutable in courts and the scientific world.”

    “Aluminum is a coagulator or flocculant. Aluminum has a plus three electrical charge. All positive cations are “coagulators”, they cause particles with mass to come together, agglomerate, sediment, “sludge”Â. Aluminum has 84 times the capacity to cause agglomeration (sludging) as does Sodium (Na+), and element with a singular positive charge.” Andrew Moulden MD, PhD, Note do you really want this sludge producer in your child’s blood?

    “Whenever you impair “flow” in any riverbed system, the first areas to “dry up” downstream are the weakest trickling streams furthest from the flow source. These areas are called ”end vascular networks.” If an area of tissue is served by a singular blood vessel branch, these areas are called
    “watershed vascular territories.” These tissue areas are most susceptible to
    damages when blood flow is partly or completely impaired upstream. For example, the finger-tips, toe-tips, nose-tips, and ear-tips are most susceptible to frost bite as they are end vascular, watershed areas in the human body.” Andrew Moulden MD, PhD

    “Silent MASS ischemic strokes is how the body caused paralysis and respiratory failure from wild polio virus exposure. This is how death occurred from Smallpox. This is how swine flu vaccine caused paralysis and Guillain-Barre syndrome. This is how thalidomide caused infants to be born with no arms and legs. This is how a series of anthrax vaccines causes military veterans to give birth to children with no arms and legs 18 months after receiving the vaccine series. This is how Vioxx caused heart attack and stroke. This is how pre-natal German measles caused autism-spectrum and organ damages. This is how a systemic drop in maternal blood pressure, during gestation, causes Mobius syndrome (and autism-spectrum). This
    is how repeat vaccination is causing dementia.” Andrew Moulden MD, PhD

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_Dr_Moulden.htm

  • Roxanne

    Well, you’ve certainly shown yourselves to be specialists when it comes to being rabid.

  • Roxanne

    This is for all the trolls – especially those connected to the military:
    “EVEN the Nazis didn’t experiment on their own troops.”
    Col. David Hacksworth (U.S. Army ret. commenting on ‘Vaccine-A’)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7M_TZpQiIY

    ‘Secret Shots’ -Target 5 WLWT Investigates

  • Roxanne

    Hi Hummingbug, actually it was a very serious reaction to travel vaccines
    which was one of three wake up calls that had me confronting my auto-pilot pro-vaccine stance till then. The best defense against any disease
    condition – infectious or otherwise – at home or abroad is a smart, robust
    immune system which hasn’t been skewed by vaccines. Those most likely to suffer an infection usually have a poor nutritional profile especially
    for vitamin C, poor gut flora etc. which we’re learning is the biggest element in healthy immune function and which ironically vaccines harm. Given that getting a given vaccine does not ensure you can’t get a disease; and moreover may even possibly cause the disease, and that vaccines such as Hep. B. have notoriously serious affects especially long-term; I personally would opt for common sense precautions, and a variety of modalities and treatments to help boost immunity during the stress of travel especially to poorer regions. I have a number of friends who travel regularly with vaccine-free children to developing nations and the kids are always fine. I respect that you may feel that they are putting their kids at risk, but they feel vaccinating them puts them more at risk for health problems, and practice what they believe are far safer and saner ways
    of keeping their children healthy while travelling.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    I highly doubt they were vaccine damaged. More likely have a condition that their poor desperate parents are playing the blame game with.

    You still have not answered my question. So I repeat. Read slowly if you have difficulty understanding. How will you tell 100 vaccinated children apart from 100 non vaccinated with their relevant health and vaccine information with held. You couldn’t Every piece of contrived unsubstantiated parroted crappola you regurgitate does not support anything, just your rabid ideology. Once again research fail.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Ah the ‘look it up’ bit…..it actually means you don’t have any proof so you are going to resort to saying ‘look it up’, cause you don’t know where or how to yourself.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Yes lies. This is the usual antivaxxer cultist crap. I enjoy shaking the tree.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    pffft. You tube. Reliable. Nope. Research fail again.

  • elnura

    DNFTT

  • falling321

    All this ‘study’ proves it that parents of unvaccinated children REPORT that their children have far fewer incidents of certain illnesses than the PARENTS of vaccinated children report. The simple truth is that the parents of unvaccinated children are also parents who are more likely to homeschool, thus their children are far less likely to come in to contact with personnel, such as teachers who request that their children be tested for things like ADHD or autism. The very idea that 1 in 88 of our children actually have autism is nonsense. The school get more money for each special needs child, hence the new ‘spectrum’ of autism which allows for your child to be diagnosed on the autism spectrum while very young and the ‘outgrow’ it around the age of 10-12, after having received years of ‘therapy’ at school. The child was simply immature and had parents who needed an excuse for the differences their child showed. Parents of unvaccinated children are simply less likely to report those differences in their children because they are far more likely to accept those differences in maturation ages are normal…which they absolutely are!
    This so called medical report is crap, it did not rely on medical observation over long periods of time, there was no medical verification of the parental reports of illness or lack of illness in the children. True medical studies have shown time and time again that vaccinations do NOT cause autism, nor do they cause any of the other ridiculous things people on this page are attributing to vaccinations. They DO cause and are causing diseases which had been virtually eradicated in developed nations to see a recurrence, just as we are today seeing a recurrence in polio, due to American children coming into contact with illegal aliens who come here unvaccinated from countries where those illnesses are still prevalent. So vaccinate or do not vaccinate, but you are doing no harm to your child by vaccinating. And yes, I know all of you will have your ‘example’ of how some one’s child was ‘harmed’ by vaccination, but there are far more examples of perfectly normal, extremely intelligent children who were vaccinated and suffered no harm at all and are now safe from deadly disease outbreaks. At this point those outbreaks are small and contained, but if enough stop these vaccinations, the day will come when those outbreaks are neither small nor contained and you child may well end up dead or seriously ill. Obviously our population has aged past remembering the US polio outbreaks of the 1940′s and 1950′s, when half a million children a year were killed or paralyzed by polio. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

  • falling321

    Far more likely they were on one of today’s still popular ADHD medications.

  • falling321

    Well, the fact that before the polio vaccine was widely used we lost more than half a million children a year, in the US alone, to polio is a pretty good indicator that it is doing some good. Epidemic levels of children no longer suffer the side effects of mumps (hearing loss), measles (death from pneumonia and encephalitis), rubella (the last epidemic of infants born to mothers who were in contact with rubella was in 1964, when more than 20,000 babies from one area were born with severe deformities, blind, deaf and/or died before birth) Nor do we see whole school systems forced to shut their doors, families placed in isolation and businesses are closed for months due to epidemics of these diseases since the invention and wide spread use of these vaccines. I’d say that is doing a great deal of good.

  • falling321

    “No worries “vaccination” is not clinically tested in the good ole USA.”
    That statement alone proves how full of crap you truly are! We spend tens of BILLIONS on testing on vaccinations in the US! We constantly have tests going on at our major universities and by various independent groups, not to mention the studies by pharmaceutical companies, who (I know you do not believe this) really are not interested in putting out a product that intentionally harms children, if for no other reason, the monetary penalties that would come from the lawsuits resulting from such a product would far outstrip any profit made from such a deliberately damaging product. So approve of vaccinations or disapprove of vaccinations, but quit telling lies!

  • ccdaddy

    My gosh, are you really that dense,even the government health agency’s. They have conceded,that the round of outbreaks, were now seeing. Has nothing, to do with the non vaccinated kids. So you sir,are guilty, of spreading misinformation.

  • ccdaddy

    Why,would anybody, spray a crisscross pattern, on top of the American people? What, would be the reason? We do
    know, that this Nation, has infected Americans in the past.
    Giving them a disease,just to see how it effects the body.
    If you want, your government, to do experiments on you,
    and your kids. By all means, get your selves into a legal study. But,please do, leave the rest of us,the hell alone.

  • guest

    I’ll admit, English is NOT my native language, but I do believe that I’m pretty darn good at speaking and writing, compared to other people. Do you speak a second language? Probably not. Would love to write my thoughts in my own language, but then how would you understand what I write unless you educate your brain?

  • ccdaddy

    Why don’t you chicken little, take a course in toxicology
    101. The poison is in the dose, anywhere from 1000 to
    30,000 ppb of injected mercury was being given to this
    Nations most precious resource. And here, is the kicker,
    that kicked them, over the edge. And, it’s all being given, all at once, at one point in time. Even, a very high up, Merck vaccinologist. Vaccine researcher,Dr. Maurice Hilleman, tried to get Merck, to see that this was not daily doses as such. This was, Bolus doses (meaning many vaccines, all being given at once, at one point in time, with the same mercury in each) His thoughts,about this, is in a (internal) Merck memo.

    He said,when viewed in this manner,the dose does appear rather large.

  • ccdaddy

    Read my post,about the poison, being in the dose.

  • Prudence Dagg

    Thank you for this information. I would, however, recommend not responding to insults like this.

    Vaccine injured children (and adults) are the recipients of much hatred and scorn; their plight will eventually lead to the fall of the vaccine empire.

    But anyway, in the meantime, I wouldn’t try to convince the unconvinceable. It’s not lack of information; it’s an unwillingness to see the information that is there.

    Thanks for what you do.

  • Prudence Dagg

    Couldn’t agree more. The burden of proof is on those promoting vaccines to prove they do any good.

  • ccdaddy

    Beautifully, said!

  • ccdaddy

    Read my post,and you will jump off of the fence.

  • ccdaddy

    The Bible says,that the herbs, are for the healing of the Nations.

  • ccdaddy

    Look, what decades and decades, of petrochemical based pharmacology, has gotten us. We are now, required, to get insurance. Costing us, every month, as much as a House mortgage. All, because we are so damn, healthy.
    At least,that ‘s what the propaganda specialist, at ABC, NBC, and CBS, keep telling us.

  • ccdaddy

    Run from most, Pediatricians,like your child’s life,depends on it. It does!

  • ccdaddy

    Ok! 16 mos. My son, did not succumb to vaccine damage,
    till he was, 27 mos. old. He had just gotten,7 vaccines. Within 2 days, Bang! another dependent child for life.

    I do hope,that makes you, very nervous.

  • ccdaddy

    Why don’t you get busy reading my post. And then explain, why people
    would act in that manner?

  • ccdaddy

    Sugarlarry, the scientist that we are referring to. Have many times,when the data does not support them. They change it, and then destroy the data, they used, to get the different results.

  • ccdaddy

    vaccinateyourbaby.org is a pharma funded, created by the pharma Co.’s fake organization.

  • ccdaddy

    Again, what is it that you do not understand, that the HHS people. Have conceded, that non vaccinating has nothing
    to do, with these outbreaks. Why, do you keep lying?

  • Sugarlarry

    Really. Scientists are destroying the data? Why? You believe these people are such monsters that they will deliberately fudge the data for a greasy buck? What proof do you offer?

    Do you have any evidence of this happening? Like real evidence, not Natural New evidence.

    Because I do. Wakefield actually did fudge the data on the vaccine autism connection, and there was a very clear money trail. That guy richly deserves to develop one of the diseases he is helping spread by convincing those with poor critical thinking skills to listen to him.

    And yes, I’m afraid there is a very, very clear link between outbreaks and low vaccination rates. Here is but one report from health authorities who use real peer-reviewed science for their findings.

    http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications/Publications/2012June13_SUR_measles_rubella_report.pdf

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Scientists are human and some certainly do have questionable ethics. Here’s one recent example …

    https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/12/23/2013-30424/findings-of-research-misconduct

    How much of this type of activity actually occurs, I believe, is grossly underestimated.

  • Billy Ten Eyck

    “The simple truth is that the parents of unvaccinated children are also parents who are more likely to homeschool,”

    Citation please.

    “The school get more money for each special needs child, hence the new
    ‘spectrum’ of autism which allows for your child to be diagnosed on the
    autism spectrum while very young and the ‘outgrow’ it around the age of
    10-12, after having received years of ‘therapy’ at school.”

    Citation please.

    By the way, most children are not diagnosed by a school, so your b.s. holds no water. I’d say “nice try,” but it wasn’t.

    “The child was simply immature and had parents who needed an excuse for the differences their child showed.”

    Simply a sweeping generalization based on complete ignorance and nothing more,

    “Parents of unvaccinated children are simply less likely to report those
    differences in their children because they are far more likely to accept
    those differences in maturation ages are normal:.”

    Citation please.

    “True medical studies have shown time and time again that vaccinations do
    NOT cause autism, nor do they cause any of the other ridiculous things
    people on this page are attributing to vaccinations. ”

    I would ask for citation for this, but I know it’s just a flat out lie. People like you, who are willing to make a bunch of crap up just to sound like you know what you’re talking about, make me friggin sick.

  • Billy Ten Eyck

    What is a fail is your worthless opinion. Grow a damn spine, coward.

  • Billy Ten Eyck

    So the one who believes everything they’re told, (see “no backbone”) gets to determine what sources are credible (“the ones that agree with me”) and which aren’t (the ones who don’t agree with me)?

    Also, no one ever stated that EVERY person who has autism has it because of vaccines. Please go take a course in logic.

  • Billy Ten Eyck

    Again, NO ONE has a responsibility to prove JACK to you fools who would rather let their children be injected with unknown crap than actually stand up for them and ask questions. You’re seriously a bunch of cowards.

  • elnura

    The Polio Vaccine was a failure:

    *In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most
    polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” –Control of influenza and poliomyelitis with killed virus vaccines) sciencemag.com

    *The United States Center for Disease Control (CDC) admitted that the vaccine has become the dominant cause of polio in the US today, with 87% of cases between 1973 and 1983 caused by the vaccine. More recently, 1980-1989, every case of polio in the US was caused by the vaccine. Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institute of Health during the 1950′s were well
    aware that the Salk vaccine was ineffective and deadly. Some frankly stated that it was “worthless as a preventative and dangerous to take”. The Salk
    “inactivated” or “killed-virus” was actually regulated to permit 5,000 live viruses per million doses.

    Polio had abated on it’s own. From 1923 to 1953, before
    the Salk vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the United States and England had already declined on its
    own by 47percent and 55 percent, respectively. After the vaccine was introduced in the United States, many countries refused the vaccine, especially after Polio cases went UP after the vaccine. It’s estimated that maybe 40% of the US was ever vaccinated with the Polio vaccine and more than half of those people did not get the full series.

    The Polio Vaccine was not made from as virus because Salk could not find one so the vaccine was made from feces of three children who had recovered from Polio.

    *Shortly after the Salk vaccination program was swung into action, the American Public Health Service (June 23, 1955) Announced that there had been “168 confirmed cases of poliomyelitis among the vaccinated, with six deaths……How many vaccinated children will eventually be reported as developing the disease is as yet unknown .
    .
    *In 1958 mass vaccination triggered a disastrous increase
    in polio, the highest being 700% in Ottawa, Canada. The highest incidence in the USA occurred in those states which had been induced to adopt compulsory polio
    shots(1).

    *The Chicago Daily News, May 28, 1959, printed the following UPI dispatch from Duluth, MN-”One of the developers of the new oral (polio) vaccine said Wednesday the recent use of Salk vaccine in Israel had ‘little if any effect.’ Dr. Herald R. Cox of Lederle Laboratories, suggested the ineffectiveness of Salk inoculations during a round table discussion
    at the Minnesota State Medical Association convention. Cox said a confidential report on a polio epidemic showed 90% of children under six years old in Israel were given Salk shots. But the outbreak became epidemic. It is
    evident that the vaccine failed,” Cox said.

    *Polio cases rose about 300 to 400% in these 5 places that made the Salk vaccine compulsory by law:

    -North Carolina: 78 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 313 cases in1959.
    -Connecticut: 45 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 123 cases in1959.
    -Tennessee: 119 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 386 cases in 1959.
    -Ohio: 17 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 52 cases in 1959.
    -Los Angeles: 89 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 190 cases in1959.

    When numbers went up the CDC went into action by changing the diagnosis criteria. They had initially refined the Polio diagnosis criteria after the Field Trials but seeing cases go up the in 1958, the CDC formally adopted the “Best available paralytic poliomyelitis case count” or BAPPCC.

    The standards for defining polio were changed when the polio vaccine was introduced. The new definition of a polio epidemic required more cases to be reported. Paralytic polio was redefined as well, making it more difficult to
    confirm, and therefore tally, cases. Prior to the introduction of the vaccine the patient only had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for 24 hours. Laboratory confirmation and tests to determine residual paralysis were not required. The
    new definition required the patient to exhibit paralytic symptoms for at least 60 days, and residual paralysis had to be confirmed twice during the course of the disease. Also, after the vaccine was introduced cases of aseptic meningitis (indistinguishable from Polio) and coxsackie virus infections were more often reported as separate diseases from polio. But such cases were counted as polio before the vaccine was introduced. The vaccine’s reported effectiveness was therefore skewed The fact that dubious tactics were used to fabricate efficacy rates was corroborated by Dr. Bernard Greenberg, chairman of the Committee on Evaluation and Standards of the American Public Health Association during the 1950s. His expert testimony was used as evidence during Congressional hearings in 1962. He credited the “decline” of polio cases not to the vaccine, but rather to a change in the way doctors were required to report cases: “Prior to 1954 any physician who reported paralytic poliomyelitis was doing his patient a service by way of subsidizing the cost of hospitalization… two examinations at least 24 hours apart was all that was required… In 1955 the criteria were changed… residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days after onset of illness and again 50 to 70 days after onset… This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease… Furthermore, diagnostic procedures have continued to be refined. Coxsackie virus infections and aseptic meningitis have been distinguished from poliomyelitis… Thus, simply by changes in diagnostic criteria, the number of paralytic cases was predetermined to decrease.(gbs is used in much the same way today). Hearings Before the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce, House of Representatives, 87th Congress, 2nd Session on HR 10541. May 1962:94–112.

    The vaccine was not made from a virus so how can it be said the vaccine eradicated anything. Coincidentally DDT was banned about the same time the vaccine made it’s entrance onto the scene. DDT poisoning is indistinguishable from Polio. Many scientific papers presented to congress. The Polio Vaccine campaign became more of a PR campaign than a health intervention because Eisenhower had declared a war on Polio and the government (surgeon general) was not going to allow the President to be embarrassed.

    Did you know that Jonas Salk did not create the Polio vaccine. That was done by a Dr. Byron L. Bennett. Salk also was not admitted into the National Academy of Sciences because other scientist knew he didn’t create the vaccine. Also, they stated

    “It is quack medicine to pretend that this is a killed vaccine when you know that it has live virus in it. Every batch has live virus in it.”

    It was true, there were live viruses in the vaccine but what they were is the question giving any vaccine can cause Polio Like symptoms. What was discovered in the vaccine was SV-40-far worse than Polio.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    There are no vaccine injured children and adults. They are people who usually have a genetic disorder or disease that is co incidently diagnosed at the time of vaccination, so its easy to blame the vaccine when a parent cannot accept that their child has an illness. Funny thing that whenever antivaxxers are asked to show us all the vaccine damaged children and adults they fail to produce any that does not have a typically explainable cause, but because you are an antivaxxer you will not even critically think. We see your ‘information that is there’ for what it is. Cherry picked unsupportable, unreliable propaganda for a lonny cause.

  • Sugarlarry

    This was a highly publicized case, and is a great indicator that the checks and balances within the scientific community work.

    Yes, a few slip through, but the fact of the matter is that the rigours of peer review, the demands of various scientific bodies, AND the sheer risk of shame and ridicule keep most scientists honest.

    I can’t say the same for people hawking holistic medicines which have zero evidence to suggest they actually work.

    Vaccines have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, and millions from debilitating sickness. The sad thing is that these diseases are creeping back because the anti-science crowd refuses to listen to the evidence.

    What is painfully ironic is the fact that so many of them are selective in the science they listen to. They’ll be the first ones to demand people worry about the state of our climate as per the latest science, but ignore the science on vaccines instead listening to moronic sites like Natural News.

    Frankly, I blame X-Files.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Once again you show your poor understanding of how the body works and how vaccines work. I think you need to do some serious volunteer work with an aid agency and actually go to developing nations, especially refugee camps themselves where these diseases are rampant. Make sure you take some decent reading material (real research and text now) so you can properly identify the diseases you will be confronted with. Maybe you can also talk to some of the parents waiting at a vaccination clinic to vaccianate their remaining children against the illnesses that their sibling have died from. Then tell us me I’m wrong. Theres a real challenge for you. I highly doubt you were ever pro vax.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Yes well we ain’t conspiracy nutjobs like the Yanks. At least the majority of us know how to read a proper research paper, instead of biased surveys that tell you nothing other than what the supposed researcher simply wanted to hear to support thier own view of the world, such as the above piece of pure crappola.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    SIDS existed well before vaccines ever did. At the turn of the century they thought it was because of an enlarged thymus, so they irradiated the neck in hope of preventing the thymus form ‘enlarging’ (autopsies were only ever performed on bodies from poor classes where nutrition was poor and the thymus underdeveloped leading many researchers at the time to think that a small thymus was normal, when in fact it was larger in healthier more wealthy classes). Since research into SIDS has occured, rates of SIDS have declined. SIDS and vaccines are not connected.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    It’s sort of a catch 22. You can say the system works through evidence of catching a few folks. I disagree.

    In reality, this is similar to criminal activity in the context of we know it is happening but we may not know who the perpetrators are.

    It is naive to ignore the financial component of research as many people lie, beg, cheat and steal to get government money – and quite frankly not everyone can be audited.

    And – if you think it is above doctors or scientists to cheat the system for money, I’d say you have been watching too much X-Files.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Oohhhhh we have the spineless coward insults now! Bahahahahaaa! What is spineless about debunking unreliable unsubstantiated crap from people who don’t know what they are talking about? You are cosy in your misguided beliefs so I am pulling at the covers!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Pfffft Machiavellian sadist. You wish. I am happily pointing out that fallacy that crap rags such as ‘Natural News’ actually has anything real to say. It and many others like it are choc full of antivax propaganda that is completely unsubstantiated and cherry picked, distorted lies. Critical thinkers read these things and can see right through them. Gullible people suck them up.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    So you have just described yourself.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Well yes, people who are going to make claims about health, especially when they have intent to sway opinion, have a HUGE responsibility to provide properly researched evidence. Not propaganda to reassure themselves of their fairytales. The ingredients of vaccines are widely known and are safe. They are also available from reliable sources on the web. Yu can also ask for the brochures and inserts from your doctor. The vaccines are safe. They have to go through a very rigorous process to ensure safety. Not much can be said for half of the overpriced naturopathical/ homeopathical fraud you buy over the counter. So whats is so cowardly in challenging you? I don’t see anything cowardly at all

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    At least we don’t deliberately mislead people.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Nope guess again for 100 points!

  • cyn

    I know a child that suffered complete liver failure due to vaccines when entering our country. The doctors told the parents that the multiple vaccines were the cause of failure, then coma for this child. He had to get a liver transplant because of it.

  • elnura

    !!!Troll Alert!!!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Here is a non scholarly article to start off with on discussion of the non ‘epidemic’ of autism.

    Here are some citations of studies that have found NO LINK of vaccines to autism. This is merely a tiny fraction of the studies done. It is not a complete lie, but then I don’t expect you to read it seeing as you do not have a critical thinking mind and prefer to shove your head in the sand.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/making-sense-autistic-spectrum-disorders/201006/007-no-autism-epidemic-part-1

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134#t=articleResults

    http://www.bmj.com/content/324/7334/393

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(99)01239-8/fulltext

    Here are some you can look up for yourself at many libraries, especially university ones if you aren’t to lazy to attend to them.

    Smeeth L, Cook C, Fombonne E, et al. MMR vaccination and pervasive developmental disorders: a case-control study. Lancet 2004;364:963-969.

    Feeney M, Ciegg A, Winwood P, Snook J. A case-control study of measles vaccination and inflammatory bowel disease. Lancet 1997;350:764-766.

    Parker SK, Schwartz B, Todd J, Pickering LK. Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autistic spectrum disorder: a critical review of published original data. Pediatrics 2004;114:793-804.

    Offit PA, Coffin SE. Communicating science to the public: MMR vaccine and autism. Vaccine 2003;22:1-6.

    Chen W, Landau S, Sham P, Fombonne E. No evidence for links between autism, MMR and measles virus. Psychological Medicine 2004.34:543-553.

    Kaye JA, del Mar Melero-Montes M, Jick H. Mumps, measles, and rubella vaccine and the incidence of autism recorded by general practitioners: a time trend analysis. BMJ 2001;322:460-463.

    The following has more references at the end of it for you to look up if you want to prove a critical mind instead of a loony toon. Some citations I have already listed.

    Kaye JA, del Mar Melero-Montes M, Jick H. Mumps, measles, and rubella vaccine and the incidence of autism recorded by general practitioners: a time trend analysis. BMJ 2001;322:460-463.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell
  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    FU?

  • elnura

    Well, given that you are a TROLL, one of the primary characteristics is the ability to lie proficiently. So your level of creditability is nil. You should read the following study:

    Trolls Just Want to Have Fun:
    https://www.academia.edu/6016545/Trolls_just_want_to_have_fun

    After all you did tell Jeff
    “I’m having a great time though.”

    You sound like Troll Nation and also “lilady” who is one of “Orac’s” minions, as he call them. Being a troll you know Orac aka Dr. David Gorski who moderates the pseudo science blogs: “Respectful Insolence.” & Science Based Medicine, which are funded by the pharmaceutical companies.

    Anyway, enjoy the research and hopefully you can learn from it to become a conscientious compassionate human being that wants to enhance the qualities of life for others rather than spending time flinging insults because from the abusive comments I’ve read from you on this board-any similarity between you and a human being is purely coincidental.

  • elnura

    Sure… But you have to buy me dinner
    first.

  • Heather Holter

    I have 5 kids that have all gotten every required vaccination and all are perfectly healthy with zero problems, they berely even ever get colds and maybe sick with a virus once or twice a year. Either vaccines don’t cause anything harmful or I’m just lucky it wasn’t them the vaccines affected. i also got them as a kid and no health issues whatsoever.

  • Prudence Dagg

    Seriously. Stop responding to him. He is hateful or maybe simply bored. There is nothing of substance other than “twisted crap” and something about not listening to doctors, topped with some insults like “Read again slowly.” As was noted before, there is no responsibility to prove anything to him. No number of books or articles will “prove” it. Let’s focus on those who do want information.

  • Prudence Dagg

    “Debunking”: an emotional word created to intimidate when there are no facts

  • elnura

    It’s a she and non-responses don’t work on her. It just makes her more aggressive. As I’ve done before I let her know she’s been outed and just continue to call her a troll. I’ve dealt with her before under different names. She changes them when a comment board blocks her. She goes silent for a couple of weeks and than comes back to the same board using a new ISP. These are not just independent “trolls” this is an organized unit put into action by the pharmaceutical industry to do exactly what this person is doing -disrupt and distract. Since she’s been outed as a troll, I just will respond with the word troll. Sometime, even though you know the responsible thing to do is not respond you have to ask is it the right thing to do given the comment made. But yes, I agree, we should stop responding-but from previous experience, I don’t think it’s going to make a difference.

  • Barry

    The bible also says that a rapist should be forced to marry his victim, so I’ll take what the bible says with a grain of salt.

  • Michael Anderson

    How about some CITATIONS on this article that are from credible sources, instead of a homeopath. “There’s a sucker born every minute”. No truer words were ever spoken.

  • Lou

    Sir please show me ONE SINGLE gold-standard clinical trial by a disinterested party where ANY “vaccine” has been shown to be safe and effective.

    TIA

  • Prudence Dagg

    Well, I’m certainly not questioning the integrity of those responding–just saying that if this person *wants* to disrupt and distract, allowing ourselves to be distracted is playing into it.

    I have no doubt this person has connections with the pharm. industry. Even the staunchest (sincere) vaccine proponents don’t typically deny that someone, somewhere, is vaccine injured; they just speak of “the greater good.”

    The person in charge needs to ban her. Until then, let’s have the conversation roll on amongst those of us who crave truth and who care about God’s innocent victimized children.

  • ccdaddy

    Florida Congressman,Dr. Dave Weldon, told the CDC’s Dir. Dr. Julie Gerberding. That where, they had found a link, it disappeared. By, selective use of the data.

    At the Simpson wood meeting, they said ” we can move the numbers around any away we want,look justified in doing so, and get any results we want ” That sounds like, real integrity,doesn’t it.

    What kind of people,responsible for children’s safety.
    Would ever! Say ” So we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits if they were initiated and I am concerned.”

    Where was his damn concern,for the children that he was charged with protecting?

    Dr. Brent: Page 229: “The medical legal findings in this study, causal or not, are horrendous and therefore, it is important that the suggested epidemiological, pharmacokinetic, and animal studies be performed. If an allegation was made that a child’s neurobehavioral findings were caused by Thimerosal containing vaccines, you could readily find a junk scientist who would support the claim with “a reasonable degree of certainty”. But you will not find a scientist with any integrity who would say the reverse with the data that is available. And that is true. So we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits if they were initiated and I am concerned.”

    And this, is where the CDC’s chief science officer,tells them. That,everything they seen, and heard, was to be considered embargoed information.

    Now, here is where, they really look bad! You see, Mr. sugarlarry,the scientific evidence against them, was so bad. That they, had decided among themselves, to deceive, their own committee. Here is your proof,that they, were going to deceive, their own committee.

    Notice, he is saying, that they have a plan for discussing these data, at the upcoming meeting. Of the Advisory Committee, on Immunization Practices, on June 21 and June 22. He says, at that time,the CDC plans to make a public release of this information. He did not tell them however,that everything bad, was going to be stripped! from those minutes.

    The Document,that most people, don’t know exist.

    Immunization Safety Review

    National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine,

    FO 3031 2101 Constitution Ave., NW

    Washington, DC 20418

    Dear Committee members,

    SAFE MIND’s recently obtained the transcribed minutes to the Simpsonwood meeting held June 7-8, 2000 inNorcross, Georgia where the finding of the Vaccine Safety Datalink analysis of Thimerosal containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental outcomes were reviewed by a panel of experts. There were a number of additional findings not previously reported that were contained in this document that I would like to share with the committee.

    Telling their own committee, “there were a number of additional findings, not previously reported, that were contained in this document, that I would like to share with the committee.Notice, they weren’t going to share anything, till they got caught!

    I believe, I made my point! That these, irresponsible Idiot creatures, should not ever! be trusted, with our children’s health.

    If their own committee,cannot trust them,why should we have to?

  • Lou

    Thanks.

    Some seventy years ago my daddy said. “Son if you let a fool insult you there will be TWO fools present.

    I have since learned these vaccine trolls make the very best foils.

  • Lou

    “There are no vaccine injured children and adults.”

    Sir you really need to join the living. The good news is that often the vaccine damaged child can be recovered.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bNGkSlAMWdw#t=99

  • Lou

    “SIDS and vaccines are not connected.”

    Sir you can repeat this canard until the cows come home; it will not make it so.

    “While recording breathing of a number of babies, many of
    them were vaccinated and we could see within one hour the effect of vaccination on the stress level in breathing on our computer printouts. This started me off to initiate a thorough research of vaccination issues as published in referenced
    medical journals of the likes of the Lancet, British Medical Journal, New England Journal of Medicine etc. and resulted in the documentation of the causal link between administration of a great variety of vaccines and serious reactions including permanent brain damage and death. Indeed, vaccination is the single biggest cause of SIDS.” Doctor Viera Scheiber PhD

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_SIDS.htm

  • Lou

    Some new information on our “wonderful polio vaccine”.

    Caution not for the faint of heart.

    What we NOW know about SV40…

    Disturbing new insights:

    Documents now conclusively prove that SV40 was never removed from the vaccine stocks after 1963… SV40 tainted seeds were never thrown away — they were used in OPV (oral polio vaccine) for millions of children for nearly four decades12.

    SV40 appears in 61% of all new cancer patients — including patients too young to have received the vaccine 40 years ago!13

    Nearly 70% of mesothelioma cases test positive for SV40.

    SV40 was found in 23% of blood samples and 45% of semen of normal individuals.14

    SV40 can be transmitted sexually and through blood transfusions.15

    Ten percent of those never exposed directly to tainted vaccines test SV40-positive.

    Lancet published clear evidence that tainted polio vaccine is responsible for nearly half of the 55,000 non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma cases per year.16

    People from states receiving high-SV40 OPV
    now get osteosarcoma tumors at ten times the rate of those with
    SV40-free lot numbers.17

    http://www.cancerdefeated.com/newsletters/Chilling-News-about-a-Vaccine.html

  • Lou

    “True medical studies have shown time and time again that vaccinations do NOT cause autism, … ”

    Yes but no amount of studies can ever prove a negative. What we do know is something IS causing autism and until we put our finger on it you cannot rule out a VERY likely candidate like “vaccination”.

    Now you would think the CDC would quickly figure out an epidemic such as autism. No? I mean a disease whose incidence has increased form one in 10,000 to 30,000 to one in 38 to 76 or so in two decades SHOULD command a great deal of EFFORT.

    But NO the true investigations into the causes of autism are off limits to the CDC, NIH and HHS.

    The Autism/ASD/Vaccine Damage epidemic is found in all countries that have allowed mass vaccinations. It is found nowhere else.

    “In New Delhi, India, prior to 2000, ASD/PDD (autism spectrum disorder/pervasive developmental disorder) symptoms were rare – typically only occurring in children who were vaccinated abroad. However, after the Indian pediatricians began recommending,
    in 2000, the addition of triple-dose Thimerosal-preserved Hib (Haemophilis influenza B) and Hep B (hepatitis B) vaccination programs to the existing Thimerosal-preserved triple dose DTP (diphtheria toxin, tetanus toxin and pertussis toxins) vaccination program recommended by the Government of India, the incidence of a childhood ASD/PDD diagnosis increased to 2 % to 4 % of
    vaccinated New Delhi children.” Doctor Paul King PhD, Note folks here it is. Read and reread this PLEASE

    Now if you and I can read this and get a DAMN GOOD idea about autism causes you might think the CDC could do the same or better. But you would think incorrectly. Some things are politically off limits.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_autism_intro.htm

  • Roxanne

    So what in this piece is a lie? Are you accusing the soldier of lying,
    of making up his condition up? Are the TV reporters at WLWT of lying or is it simply an inconvenient truth that you dismiss out of hand because it challenges your church of vaccinology?

  • Roxanne

    Elnura, what does DNFTT stand for? I assume it’s a clan
    of trolls of some sort.

  • Sugarlarry

    That meeting took place 14 years ago. As of 2004, no the scientific community has rejected the notion that Thimerosal is linked to autism or other neurological “disorders”.

    http://www.iom.edu/reports/2004/immunization-safety-review-vaccines-and-autism.aspx

    And a more recent study from 2012 published in the Journal of Pediatrics supports this.

    http://jpeds.com/webfiles/images/journals/ympd/JPEDSDeStefano.pdf

    That article you read about the Simpsonwood conference by Robert Kennedy was totally bogus. Salon corrected five major factual errors before finally just pulling if for being a very, very bad piece of journalism.

  • Roxanne

    According to Ray Sarah… “There are no vaccine injured children or adults” That’s right folks, NO as in none, zero. Talk about irrational adherents to the Church of Vaccinology blindly worshipping the vaccine holy cow! Even the most night and
    day cases of normal children going into seizures, dying etc. within hours of vaccination, well it’s all one big COINCIDENCE according to vaccine apologists.

    ‘I am NOT A COINCIDENCE’:

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/6248-permanent-injuries-and-144-deaths-following-gardasil-hpv-vaccine-coincidence-or-scandal/

    This young soldier’s devastating vaccine injury is NOT A COINCIDENCE:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?… (Secret Shots – Target 5 WLWT)

  • Roxanne

    Vaccines and Death:
    Na, “DPT Vaccination and Sudden Infant Death – Tennessee, US Dept HEW, MMWR Report, Mar 23, 1979, vol 28(11): 132.
    Arevalo, “Vaccinia Necrosum. Report on a Fatal Case”, Bol Ofoc Sanit Panamer, Aug 1967, 63:106-110.
    Connolly, J H, Dick, G W, Field, CM, “A Case of Fatal Progressive Vaccinia”, Brit Med Jour, 12 May 1962; 5288:1315-1317.
    Aragona, F, “Fatal Acute Adrenal Insufficiency Caused by Bilateral Apoplexy of the Adrenal Glands (WFS) following Anti-poliomyelitis Vaccination”, Minerva Medicolegale, Aug 1960; 80:167-173.
    Moblus, G et al, “Pathological-Anatomical Findings in Cases of Death Following Poliomyelitis and DPT Vaccination”, Dtsch Gesundheitsw, Jul 20, 1972, 27:1382-1386.
    NA, “Immunizations and Cot Deaths”, Lancet, Sept 25, 1982, np.
    Goetzeler, A, “Fatal Encephalitis after Poliomyelitis Vaccination”, 22 Jun 1961, Muenchen Med Wschr, 102:1419-1422.
    Fulginiti, V, “Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, Diphtheria-Tetanus Toxoid-Pertussis Vaccination and Visits to the Doctor: Chance Association or Cause and Effect?”, Pediatr Infect Disorder, Jan-Feb 1983, 2(1): 7-11.
    Baraff, LJ, et al, “Possible Temporal Association Between Diphtheria-tetanus toxoid-Pertussis Vaccination and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome”, Pediatr Infect Disorder, Jan-Feb 1983, 2(1): 5-6.
    Reynolds, E, “Fatal Outcome of a Case of Eczema Vaccinatum”, Lancet, 24 Sept 1960, 2:684-686.
    Apostolov. et al, “Death of an Infant in Hyperthermia After Vaccination”, J Clin Path, Mar 1961, 14:196-197.
    Bouvier-Colle, MH, “Sex-Specific Differences in Mortality After High-Titre Measles Vaccination”, Rev Epidemiol Sante Publique, 1995; 43(1): 97.
    Stewart GT, “Deaths of infants after triple vaccine.”, Lancet 1979 Aug 18;2(8138):354-355.
    Flahault A, “Sudden infant death syndrome and diphtheria/tetanus toxoid/pertussis/poliomyelitis immunisation.”, Lancet 1988 Mar 12;1(8585):582-583.
    Larbre, F et al, “Fatal Acute Myocarditis After Smallpox Vaccination”, Pediatrie, Apr-May 1966, 21:345-350.
    Mortimer EA Jr, “DTP and SIDS: when data differ”, Am J Public Health 1987 Aug; 77(8):925-926

  • Jim Bob

    There have been no relevant studies linking vaccines and SIDS. In fact, most recent studies have shown vaccines to provide a protective effect, reducing the incidence of SIDS.
    But hey, lets not let science stand in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

  • Jim Bob

    This supposedly “great” study lost me right here: “Dr. Andreas Bachmair, a German classical HOMEOPATHIC practitioner”
    Trusting a study by someone who believes in curative effects of magic water is dumb.
    Does anyone actually have a copy of the study?
    Or should I rely on the third party sources that the author used?

  • VegasReb

    Wow! A 20-year old study, performed in a foreign country, and with under 500 participants! This proves EVERYTHING. Not only is the study super current, but it also has a large enough sample size to really be conclusive. Everything I’ve come to know is wrong.

    For what it’s worth, I’d probably have my kids suffer from eczema if the tradeoff was them not dying from measles or polio.

    - Father of two immunized and perfectly healthy girls.

  • Jim Bob

    I believe that Elnura is calling the above pro-science advocate a forum troll and is suggesting that by ignoring the facts presented, one can do away with his presence.

  • AwakenedAngryAmerican

    Maybe “stubborn” and “asleep” are symptoms of vaccinations. Or maybe they love the fluoride in the drinking water a little much?

  • AwakenedAngryAmerican

    A child under 2 years lacks the ability to build up immunities injected into them. Their premature immunity defense relies on their mothers.

  • AwakenedAngryAmerican

    How about Rockefeller sycophant? I like this name for you.

  • Lou

    Sir please show me ONE SINGLE gold-standard clinical trial by a
    disinterested party where ANY “vaccine” has been shown to be safe and
    effective.

    TIA

  • mrpom

    Falling I don’t know your age, but when I was a grade schooler in the 60′s perhaps 1 or 2 classmates had asthma or allegies. Today 1 out of 2 have these conditions. Yes a lack of discipline and parental responsibility could be the result of children who can’t sit still or pay attention, but simple observation you have to see a decline over the last 50 years. I don’t have any studies or clinical trials just what I see as a parent and school board member.

  • Lou

    “Trusting a study by someone who believes in curative effects of magic water is dumb.”

    Well Sir how about trusting a CDC who believes a magic “vaccination” PROVEN to be HIGHLY dangerous and disease producing, given to hours old babies is a good idea?

    “Hepatitis B vaccine has been shown in many peer reviewed research papers [including from Harvard University - detailed references at end] to be associated with numerous infant deaths in the USA and Europe, multiple sclerosis and numerous chronic auto-immune disorders. These latter include Guillain-Barre syndrome, lupus, rheumatism, blood disorders and chronic fatigue. The only potential claimed infant risk group is alleged to be babies born in the UK to mothers from countries with claimed-to-have high rates of infection. Around 2000 British born infants are already being vaccinated annually in the UK. At risk groups are intravenous “recreational” drug abusers and those who practice unsafe sex – which rules out 8 week old babies.

    There has been a criminal judicial investigation in France into the adverse effects of this vaccine. France was the first country to introduce universal Hepatitis B vaccination and saw effects which included the first ever seen and harrowing cases of childhood multiple sclerosis in France.”

    UK Government Caught Lying On Baby Hep B Vax Safety

    http://elementsofhealth.webs.com/vaccinesautism.htm

  • Jessi

    Your kids are probably much older than 10 right Heather? The amount of vaccines in the vaccine schedule has more than TRIPLED since the late 1980s and that is what has led to such problems with our children today. Take a look around. You may have lucked out, but nobody should put their child through vaccine roulette.

  • mrpom

    “They are people who usually have a genetic disorder or disease that is co incidently diagnosed at the time of vaccination”…OK show me the proof of the genetics. Gravy for the goose.

  • YouAreASheep

    baaahaaaaaaaaa sheeeeeeeeeep.

  • Jim Bob

    What a farce!!
    What does a disinterested party have to do with it as long as the data set is available?
    I mean if they have disclosed their interests and the data can be reviewed it has no affect on the outcome of the study!!
    While we are on the topic of disinterested parties, would you care to discuss the Wakefield disaster and why he’s still your hero?; perhaps you can explain why a homeopath doesn’t have an interest in discrediting science-based medicine?

  • Jim Bob

    Which part of the vaccine is causing these problems?
    Just wondering.

  • Lou

    Today in France there is a criminal investigation into the KNOWN deadly effects of the “Hep B Vaccine”, the very same extremely toxic, NEEDLESS “vaccination” given to almost ALL hours old babies right here in the USA.

    Big Vaccination INC, World Branch will successfully cover this up and Big Vaccine INC will not be found criminally guilty. Big Vaccine INC is much more powerful than any mere “national government” and all its “judicial arms” all its “honorable people” and “caring medical institutions”

    BUT every pregnant mother soon to give birth should be paying close attention to this mandated injection that is planned to soon grievously harm your child. IMO have your child at HOME, much more caring AND a midwife WILL NOT inject your baby against YOUR EXPLICIT instructions as many “hospitals” will.

    The good French people HAVE succeeded in getting their corrupt “government” to no longer FORCE the dreaded “hep vaccine” into their new born babies. Can the USA mothers do the same. God I pray so.

    There has been a criminal judicial investigation in France into the adverse effects of this vaccine. France was the first country to introduce universal Hepatitis B vaccination and saw effects which included the first ever seen and harrowing cases of childhood multiple sclerosis in France.”

    UK Government Caught Lying On Baby Hep B Vax Safety

    http://elementsofhealth.webs.com/vaccinesautism.htm

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_hep%20B.htm

  • Science Writer

    Are you kidding me with this article? I’ve been an investigative science reporter for 20 years, and I’ve researched the autism-vaccine link. I personally believe it is one of the biggest public-health cover-ups in history. But it’s crap like this that makes the whole anti-vaccine movement look like idiots. First, you’ve got some ridiculous headline — “without a doubt” is a HUGE red flag right off the bat. Little in science is so cut and dry. Second, you’re talking about a 20-year-old “study”? Third, it’s not a study, it’s a SURVEY! Fourth, apparently it hasn’t even been published in peer-review. Fifth, who wrote this article? It uses the first person but doesn’t list an author. Sixth, oh jesus, there are so many things wrong with this I can’t even continue. But lastly, ChickShow, what is your problem? You are rude, offensive, and annoying. You are your own worst enemy and no one in their right mind should take this seriously. This is a great example of why no one takes the anti-vaccine movement seriously — you’re posting crap like this as supposed “science” and “proof.” Get real.

  • Roxanne

    The only thing that outstrips your ignorance is your presumption and arrogance. One of three huge wake up calls for me was visiting an institution in India run by family in India where all the children got polio from the vaccine, a real mind-bender for me at the time, defying the “reality” I had been programmed with. This was back in ’91 and prior to this I was unquestioningly pro-vaccine as most are from years of indoctrination. Third world children suffer from
    nutritional deficiencies and lack of clean water NOT
    vaccine deficiencies…. Since you think the vaccine skeptical have such a poor understanding of how the body works – this
    from someone who will blame everything including the kitchen sink for illness – but NEVER vaccines, please elaborate in detail why vaccines wouldn’t negatively affect the
    undeveloped blood-brain barrier in newborns, induce demyelination or cause synergistic toxicity.

  • Roxanne

    I love how vaccine pushers will blame everything but the vaccine. Suddenly, presto, everyone has bad genes and
    the timing for them going haywire just “coincidentally” coincides with vaccination.

  • Roxanne

    *** There is a DOUBLE STANDARD here … On the one hand, I concur with those who’ve raised some legitimate criticisms of this article, and the use of terms “prove without a doubt”. While my own observations dealing with many, many children
    over decades personally convinces me that vaccine free children are, indeed, far healthier than their vaccinated counterparts – and more so since the number of vaccines administered has skyrocketed – I would not offer that as iron clad proof to the outside world. HOWEVER, why is it officialdom can put out unsubstantiated
    claims which are uncritically regurgitated by mass media such 36,000 will die annually from the flu, or that your odds of suffering a vaccine reaction are “one in a million” and the vast majority of people lap it up without question. Look at the 2009 H1N1 fear mongering that was peddled where even recently a local “news” reported on the “many thousands who died”, never mind that actual lab analysis ended up showing the vast majority of specimens were negative for the strain.

  • elnura

    I’ve been an investigative science reporter for 20 years,

    You name and titles of article you’ve written and what science or media source you are published in.

    Thank you

  • Roxanne

    *** Dr. Bachmair, himself, NEVER CLAIMED this was a formal study:
    “NOTE:The results presented here are not a formal study rather an informal piece of personal research…”
    http://www.vaccineinjury.info/vaccinations-in-general/health-unvaccinated-children/survey-results.html
    Meanwhile, none of those who are criticizing him as unreliable as “unreliable”,
    “biased” etc., seem to be the least bit bothered that officialdom with its well known conflict$ of interest has yet to conduct in depth, let alone transparent, research comparing the broad health of vaccinated versus unvaccinated populations. Nor
    do I see any of these commenters protesting how vaccine trials routinely violate
    scientific integrity by using FAKE placebos.

  • frank

    I’ll pick one. Hepatitis: Are you HIV positive? Are you a “street worker”? Where is your newborn going to be exposed to hepatitis? Data shows that the vax wears off years before your kidlets are going to become streetwalkers themselves. Why not just vax at risk children instead of seriously injuring those that won’t need it?

  • elnura

    measles or polio.

    There has been 5 measles deaths in the US in since 1998. There have been no Polio deaths. Neither were killer diseases. Measles was 99.4% abated before the vaccine was even made and satirically did not contribute to the decline in the disease. Polio was 47% & 55% abated in the US and Europe before the Salk vaccine. Once vaccination for Polio began-Polio cases went up 700% in the US.

    A large vaccine trial in 1955 showed a total failure of the Salk vaccine to
    protect against poliomyelitis. “A calculated risk”: the Salk
    polio vaccine field trials of 1954-http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1114166/ . During a 1959 epidemic in Massachusetts, 77.5% of the paralytic cases had received three or more doses of the inactivated vaccine.

    In 1956 with the infamous Francis Field Trials they discovered
    large numbers of children contracted polio after receiving the vaccine. Instead of removing the vaccine from the market, they decided to exclude from the statistics all cases of polio that occurred within 30 days after vaccination on the pretext that such cases were “pre-existing”.

    In 1958 mass vaccination triggered a disastrous increase in
    polio, the highest being 700% in Ottawa, Canada. The highest incidence in the USA occurred in those states which had been induced to adopt
    compulsory polio shots.

    1958 is when the CDC implemented the BAPPCC or “Best available paralytic poliomyelitis case count”. What they did was change the diagnosis criteria for polio to give the false impression the vaccine was working.

    Four of the five Salk vaccine companies ceased producing this
    vaccine due to its failure, and because of the lawsuits against
    them.

    “Use of either Salk or Sabin vaccine will increase the possibility that your child will contact the disease. It appears that the most
    effective way to protect your child from polio is to make sure that he
    doesn’t get the vaccine “—Dr Mendelsohn M.D.(1984).

    Where polio vaccination programs have been instituted worldwide, reported polio infections show a 700% increase as a result of compulsory vaccination.

    Europe refused to buy the Vaccine and Polio was eliminated without a vaccine.

    In the (6th) Edition of Harrison’s Principles of Internal Medicine,
    it is stated on page 975 in regards to the poliomyelitis vaccine:
    “Vaccine virus multiplies in the intestinal tract and remains at this
    site. LIVE VACCINE VIRUS SPREADS AND INFECTS CONTACTS OF VACCINATED INDIVIDUALS.
    This type of immunization in the presence of epidemic poliomyelitis may
    lead to REPLACEMENT OF THE “WILD” PARALYTOGENIC STRAIN BY THE ONE IN THE VACCINE…..” In direct contradiction to this statement, the 1/1/2000 Vaccine Information statement put out by the U.S.Department of Health & Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention National Immunization Program states that the “OPV (Oral Polio Vaccine) is better at keeping the disease from spreading to other
    People. However, it does state in this document that “OPV actually causes polio”.

    -North Carolina: 78 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 313 cases in 1959.
    -Connecticut: 45 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 123 cases in 1959.
    -Tennessee: 119 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 386 cases in 1959.
    -Ohio: 17 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 52 cases in 1959.
    -Los Angeles: 89 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 190 cases
    in 1959.

    In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961.
    (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” – Control of influenza and poliomyelitis with killed virus vaccines) sciencemag.com. Also, a very small embedded article in the Washington Post on September 24, 1976.

    The United States Centre for Disease Control (CDC) admitted that the vaccine has become the dominant cause of polio in the US today, with 87% of cases between 1973 and 1983 caused by the vaccine. More
    recently, 1980-1989, every case of polio in the US was caused by the vaccine. Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institute of Health during the 1950′s were well aware that the Salk vaccine was ineffective and deadly. Some frankly stated that it was “worthless as a preventative and dangerous to take”. The Salk “inactivated” or “killed-virus” was actually regulated to permit 5,000 live viruses per million doses.

    Polio vaccine was and still is contaminated with a virus from the African Green monkey called Simian Virus-40. S-V 40 is the 40th monkey virus that had been discovered in the monkey in the 1950′s. It causes cancer.

    -Curtis T, Manson P. Scientist’s Polio Fear Unheeded: How U.S. Researcher’s Warning Was Silenced. TheHouston Post 1992:A1 and A12.
    -Sweet BH, Hilleman MR. the Vacuolating Virus: SV-40. As cited in The polio vaccine and simian virus 40 byMoriarty, T.J .www.chronicillnet.org/online/bensweet.html
    -Moriarty T.J. The polio vaccine and simian virus 40. Online News Index.www.chronicillnet.org/online/bensweet.htm

    Only about 40% of the country has/had been vaccinated against Polio which doesn’t play into the so called herd immunity myth. Most people who contracted polio recovered with no long lasting effect. With 40% (maybe) vaccinated, you can’t say something has been eradicated. Of course we’d have a better idea of the exact numbers if the Polio Surveillance Bulletins were not removed from all med schools and public access from 1955-1962. They are now in the AMA headquarters in Washington, D.C. where they are classified. Why would the government do this? If the world discovered the US government knowingly committed the worst medical fraud in history with the Polio Vaccine, people might just lose faith in a multi-billion dollar vaccine program. They don’t want to lose the money. Also, people would have a clearer understanding why cancer rates went through the roof in the 1970′s-because of the vaccine. Wouldn’t want to let that out.

    Extracts from Edward Shorter’s The Health Century about Dr. Bernice E. Eddy, whose lab tests found that the Cutter vaccine had been improperly inactivated and contained a cancer causing monkey virus–SV40.
    http://www.whale.to/v/eddy.html

    Measles vaccine has an equally nasty history. If you are happy to have your child vaccinated against measles I hope you don’t live in a minority area or in California in the late 1990′s where the CDC allowed an experimental vaccine to be used on mostly minority children without getting prior consent from their parents. The Measles vaccine is a highly contaminated product. In addition to thimerosal, there is this from Janine Roberts attendance at many government vaccine industry meeting over a 10 year period:

    It was thus a shock to discover from this top-level scientific
    workshop that the viruses in our current vaccines are not in a sterile
    fluid as I had presumed, but in a soup of unknown bits and pieces, a
    veritable witches’ brew of DNA fragments, added chemicals, proteins and,
    even possibly prions and oncogenes, all of which would easily pass
    through the filters used to be injected into our children.

    Our vaccines, I thus learnt, are not filtered clean but are
    suspensions from the manufacturers’ ‘incubation tanks’ in which the
    viruses are produced from ‘substrates’ of mashed bird embryo, minced
    monkey kidneys or cloned human cells. These suspensions are filtered
    before use but only to remove particles larger than viruses. The point
    of the vaccine is that it contains viruses, thus these must not be
    filtered out. This means there remains in the vaccine everything of the
    same size or smaller, including what the manufacturers call
    ‘degradation products’ – parts of decayed viruses or cells.

    I also learnt that the only official checks made for contaminants in
    vaccines are for a few known pathogens, thus ignoring a vast host of
    unknown, unstudied, small particles and chemicals. These eminent doctors reported at these vaccine safety meetings that it is simply impossible to remove these from our common vaccines – and this would of course also apply to vaccines for pets, farm animals and birds.

    Fear of the Invisible: Janine Roberts NIH Emergency Workshop on SV40 in 1997.

    Vaccine damage can occur immediately or over years.

  • Graham

    @science writer, I agree with you. I am dead against vaccines, but I agree that this article, along with many on this website does the cause no favours. Those looking for serious research to help them with arguments against vaccines may have trouble finding it here. Added to that are the annoying adverts and constant Facebook popups asking the view to “like” the site.

  • elnura

    kids suffer from eczema

    Eczema is caused by vaccines. My grandson came down with it after his first round of vaccines. You obviously don’t know what you are talking about. Why would you want you children to suffer with eczema???
    Besides being unpleasant to look at it’s itchy and painful. Despite the TV commercials it’s not that easy to clear up. Eczema is the toxins in the body coming out through the skin. It is a clear indication that the body has been poisoned.

    “Numerous studies support influenza vaccination of persons with egg allergy using modest precautions.
    Evidence continues to mount that there is cross-talk between skin barrier defects and immune responses in patients with atopic dermatitis. ”
    -Advances in allergic skin disease, anaphylaxis, and hypersensitivity reactions to foods, drugs, and insects in 2012
    J Allergy Clin Immunol. 2013 Jan;131(1):55-66. doi: 10.1016/j.jaci.2012.11.007. Epub 2012 Nov 27.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23199604

    Article
    ECZEMA VACCINATUM
    Audrey H. Reynolds,
    Howard A. Joos
    Copyright American Academy of Pediatrics.
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/22/2/259
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!eczemaandshedding/crev

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Also note the candidates of the study were from withing the antivax community of the IAS and their ‘friends and associates’ . A touch of heavy bias with nothing to make a genuine comparison to. Its such a laughable article.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Antivaxxers don’t know how to research. They only vomit up the crap they are fed from unreliable sources like Natural News, Elements of Health, Whale to etc.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Well, Jesse my kids are 5, 3 and 12 months, full vaxxed (except the 12 monther who is undertaking the schedule) and are pictures of health. Rarely sick. Now please answer my question I ahve been asking but no one can give a decent answer to (vomiting false crappola is not answering me) How will you tell thewhich group of kids is healthy out of 100 vaxxed kids and 100 unvaxxed kids. All health and vax info with held to ensure integrity of study. Tell me please how are you going to tell? What are you going to study? What tests are you going to do to prove??

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Observation does not prove you are right mrpom. A proper study into the reasons of this apparent ‘increase’ in asthma or allergies needs to be considered before making an uneducated and incorrect assumption. Its not likely to be vaccines that are causing this apparent increase. It would likely to be be environmental and genetic factors instead.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Facts? Pffft prove tp me that that crap you espouse are facts. They aren’t even properly research. I have read them and can see right through them. The article of this discussion is a fine example of how laughable antivaxxers are in trying to legitimise themselves.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Oh please, you tube again and unsubstantiated crap. Seriously, learn how to properly research. Not feed off propaganda

  • Avoice

    This is a survey, again, those who continue to push the vaccine agenda and deny all correlation to damage through vaccines are either
    1- dishonest
    2- can no longer think critically
    3- a mouth piece for the pharma industry
    Or
    4-blind
    Whatever one you fall under…you should know this…
    There is enough of a division regarding their safety and efficacy to keep anyone polorized. Your dazzling and endless replays are not practical, make you look arrogant and they even dismiss any credibility you may have had to this discussion. You see, those who don’t vax, already don’t have any trust for your pub med peer reviewed endless funded by pharma ” studies” so your really not breaking new ground. You actually reinforce the anti vax stance.
    Anecdotal can never be refuted , especially when a parent recounts what happened to their child following vaccines.
    At the end of the day, it is everyone’s choice whether or not to vax their child. It is not one for the government to enforce, it is not a decision for these I’m smarter than you people mentality.
    It is a personal choice, a Constitutional one at that.
    Don’t come back with herd immunity….it’s a theory which can’t be proven!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    YouAreaSheep…..I’m pleased to meet you YouAreASheep. So what is it that has made you want to be a sheep? Do you enjoy bleating like one? Or is it the safety of following in a heard? Sheep spook to easily for my liking so I’ll stick to being human. Happy bleating!

  • Argus

    Jeffie, do you see this? Even your fellow unbelievers are turned off by the horrible writing in this article along with the complete lie of a headline.
    Are you exercising any editorial judgement here?

  • Argus

    Couldn’t agree with you more about the poor quality of this completely misleading article.
    Just the same, however, what evidence do you have for this big ‘cover-up’?

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Studies show otherwise. Real studies, not propagandist crap. I am a survivor of measles and mumps and the resulting encephalitis which I contracted at the age of 3. My younger brother also had the same. I have been left with a severe sensorineural hearing loss for the rest of my life and my younger brother left brain damaged. Had we been vaccinated at the time we either would not have contracted the diseases or at least not have had them so severely and had the complication from them. Children are well able to build immunity with vaccines. The millions of kids undertaking their vaccinations every year prove that along side the studies. Open you eyes and and question the crap you are feeding on.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Funny how antivaxxers insist everything is to blame on vaccines but can’t give proven evidence….and when real, properly researched evidence is placed in from of them they can’t bring themselves to properly read it. Antivaxxers even go as far as offering a cop out for child abusers. Shake your baby and killed it?…..Oh we’ll blame the vaccines!! Yeah, yeah the vaccines did it. Its the vacciens that shook that baby not you!!! Oh please.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Its not likely to have been the vaccine. They came in from another country. Most probably had a predisposed condition that was already attacking the liver. You don’t fully know the childs medical history.

  • elnura

    How about the entire vaccine.

    From official US transcripts of recent unreported meetings of US and UK vaccine safety scientists….
    FDA Advisory Committees-CBER 2005 Meeting Documents: Allergenic Products Advisory Committeeh:ttp://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber05.html#VaccinesandRelatedBiological

    -All ways of making vaccines have their dangers. Dr Hayflick, a well-reputed scientist involved for many years with vaccines, described how the ‘Primary Culture’ method of taking cells from ‘sacrificed animals’ or bird embryos ran into problems when ‘it became apparent that these cells contained many unwanted viruses, some of which were lethal to humans.’

    ‘Today I would like to present an update on the reverse transcriptase [RT]activity that is present in chicken cell derived vaccines.’ My attention was immediately grabbed. I knew that the mumps and measles viruses used for the MMR vaccine are grown in fertilised chicken eggs, as are also the viruses for the Flu and Yellow Fever vaccines. (The rubella virus for MMR is produced differently – in artificially grown cells taken originally from an aborted human foetus.)

    Dr, Khan was reporting the result of a just concluded two-year investigation into the safety of MMR led by the World Health Organisation. She explained that this was initiated in 1996 after the discovery in MMR of RT; an enzyme whose presence they believed could well indicate that retroviruses had contaminated the vaccine. This had greatly alarmed them as some retroviruses are thought to cause cancers – and AIDS.

    WHO had then quietly, without telling the public, without withdrawing the vaccine, organized MMR safety studies at various laboratories to see ‘whether this RT activity
    was associated with a retroviral particle, and even more importantly, whether this retrovirus particle could infect and replicate in human cells.’

    What they then discovered confirmed their worse fears. Dr Khan continued: ‘The RT activityis found to be associated with retroviral particles of two distinct avian endogenous retroviral families designated as EAV and ALV.’ Now
    ALV stands for Avian Leukosis Virus. It is associated with a leukaemia cancer found in wild birds, so definitely was not wanted in the vaccines. EAV was however less dangerous, at least for birds as it is natural for them to have it.

    Khan added that they had also found another possible danger; ‘There was a theoretical possibility that the virus [ALV] could … infect the [human] cell’ thus integrating its genetic code ‘into the human DNA’ to cause cancer. The only reassurance she could give was that her team had watched vaccine cultures for a full ‘48 hours’, and, in that time period, no merger of viral and human DNA had been observed. I thought this much too short a period to
    guarantee safety. Cancers develop over years.

    Dr Khan then warned; ‘there is a possibility that there could also be potential pseudotypes (merging between) … the measles vaccine virus and the retroviral sequences’ – meaning there was a risk that bird viruses might combine with the measles virus in the vaccine to create dangerous new mutant viruses, They had not seen it, but it could happen.

    She acknowledged much longer term safety studies were needed than 48 hours, but said that long-term studies of measles vaccine cultures were very difficult: ‘because the measles vaccine virus itself lyses [kills] the culture in about three to four days.’ This had prevented them from studying the longer-term consequences of this contamination of
    the MMR vaccine.

    She concluded by explaining what the World Health Organisation (WHO) had decided to do about this chicken leucosis virus (ALV) contamination. It would take the risk of quietly allowing MMR to continue to be contaminated. It would permit vaccine manufacturers to continue to use retrovirus contaminated eggs, because ‘you cannot get ALV free flocks in places where you are making yellow fever vaccine.’
    *Dr. Arifa Khan: Food and Drug Administration (FDA)

    Dr Andrew Lewis, head of the DNA Virus Laboratory in the Division of Viral Products, then warned. ‘All the egg-based vaccines are contaminated,’ including ‘influenza, yellow fever and smallpox vaccines,as well as the vaccine for horses against encephalomyelitis virus’ for ‘these fertilised chicken eggs are susceptible to a wide variety of viruses.’

    It was thus a shock to discover from this top-level scientific
    workshop that the viruses in our current vaccines are not in a sterile fluid as I had presumed, but in a soup of unknown bits and pieces, a veritable witches’ brew of DNA fragments, added chemicals, proteins and,even possibly prions and oncogenes, all of which would easily pass
    through the filters used to be injected into our children.

    Our vaccines, I thus learnt, are not filtered clean but are
    suspensions from the manufacturers’ ‘incubation tanks’ in which the viruses are produced from ‘substrates’ of mashed bird embryo, minced monkey kidneys or cloned human cells. These suspensions are filtered before use but only to remove particles larger than viruses. The point
    of the vaccine is that it contains viruses, thus these must not be filtered out. This means there remains in the vaccine everything of the same size or smaller, including what the manufacturers call ‘degradation products’ – parts of decayed viruses or cells.

    I also learnt that the only official checks made for contaminants in vaccines are for a few known pathogens, thus ignoring a vast host of unknown, unstudied, small particles and chemicals. These eminent doctors
    reported at these vaccine safety meetings that it is simply impossible to remove these from our common vaccines – and this would of course also apply to vaccines for pets, farm animals and birds.

    I went to the published reports of the MMR manufacturers and found these confirmed what the scientists at this workshop had reported. A manufacturer stated in 2000 that it made the MMR vaccine with ‘harvested virus fluids.’ It stated frankly that their ‘Measles vaccine bulk is an unpurified product whose potency was measured through a biological assay for the active substance rather than through evaluation of integrity of physical form. Degradation products are neither identified nor quantified.’ In other words, it left the latter in the measles vaccine along with all contaminants that lay there quietly, or
    worked slowly. The pharmaceutical company admitted checking the measles vaccine only for obviously active contaminates. It did not measure how much the vaccine was polluted with genetic code fragments, other
    viruses, or with parts of bacterial, animal, bird or human cells.

    The latest information I could find on the retroviral contamination of the MMR vaccine was in a 2001 scientific paper from the CDC.This reported that 100 MMR recipients were tested to see if they were contaminated by either of the two types of retroviruses identified by Dr
    Khan and others. The conclusion was dramatic. ‘The finding of RT activity in all measles vaccine lots from different manufacturers tested suggests that this occurrence is not sporadic and that vaccine recipients may be universally exposed to these [chicken] retroviral particles.’

    They then concluded: ‘Despite these reassuring data, the presence of avian retroviral particles in chick embryo fibroblast-derived vaccines [like MMR] raises questions about the suitability of primary chicken cell substrates for vaccine production.’ They recommended considering stopping production in fertilized eggs, and growing the vaccine viruses instead on ‘RT-negative cells from
    different species, such as on immortalized [cancerous] or diploid [laboratory grown] mammalian cells.’ I was amazed to learn this, for, to the best of my knowledge, nothing has been done since this report was made to render MMR safer. The measles vaccine is still produced from contaminated chicken embryos.

    Because all vaccines are contaminated and cannot be purified as stated in these official workshops the range of illness that manifest from these vaccines is infinite.

    Dr Krause also stated: ‘Of course, in the context of DNA vaccines, we are talking about injecting even larger quantities of DNA into people.’ He was speaking here about the new DNA vaccines being developed as
    ‘safer’ than our current vaccines. Another important safety issue was raised. ‘What would this contaminating DNA do when it was injected into humans in vaccines? Could it change our own DNA? Could it cause cancers – or autoimmune diseases?’
    *Dr. Phillip Krause: FDA

    Dr Becky Sheets from CBER: ‘I wanted to respond to an earlier question regarding how purified are live viral vaccines [like MMR] – [the answer is] minimally purified.’

    Dr. Desrosiers stated: ‘I don’t worry so much about the agents that one can test for. I worry about the agents that you can’t test for, that you don’t know about. Dr Greenberg agreed, He said he was: ‘worried also about the agents that aren’t known’. He continued: ‘There are still countless thousands of undiscovered viruses, proteins, and similar particles. We have only identified a very small part of
    the microbial world – and we can only test for those we have identified. Thus the vaccine cultures could contain many unknown particles.’ Another doctor said: ‘As time goes on, of course, new viruses are discovered
    and new problems arise. The foamy virus has been [recently] identified as one that we should be really sure is absent from these vaccines.’

    The Chairman of the Workshop then asked Dr Maxine Linial: ‘Maxine, does anybody know if vaccines have been checked for foamy virus contamination?’
    She replied: ‘As far as I know, no.’
    Dr. Desrosiers: FDA

    Fear of the Invisible and The Vaccine Papers by Janine Roberts has copies of the official transcripts of these vaccine workshops and meetings.

    So as far as what part of a vaccine can cause illness in a child-all of it. These vaccines are highly contaminated, cannot be purified and are full of live viruses and DNA from aborted fetal cells. A practice that began in the 1960.
    Roe vs Wade will never be reversed for this reason. Prior to legalized abortion in this country aborted fetal cells were obtained from Europe. Now, the vaccine company can get them locally.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Why should I even be surprised that they couldn’t bring themselves to read these articles? Too scared.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    You’ll have to spoon me after

  • elnura

    I am not suggesting-I am stating it outright. There is a pattern of behavior established by a former commenter on this page that RSDEHE shows and that person was removed from the board. Names can change but patterns don’t.

  • elnura

    Do Not Feed The Troll.

  • elnura

    Ew.

  • elnura

    I hear you and I agree but she was removed recently and she knows just how far she can push the line so she’ll be here a while. I do appreciate you insights but sometime conscious compels one to just say: TROLL ALERT!!!!!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Health impact news…..says it all really. You still try to make proof from blatant antivaxx propaganda. Do you even try to read real research? I take it you don’t

  • jhvbgh

    sort out the mistakes in this article dipshits!

    a 42 year old child could do a better job or error checking!

  • jhvbgh

    to fix.are healthier that their vaccinated peers.” [1]

  • Fleablane

    Idiots!

    “In 1992…Questionnaires were given out to IAS members, their friends and their
    associates asking various health questions. A total of 245 families
    returned their questionnaires”

    21 years ago an anti-vax group gave a questionaire to 245 of their *friends and members* and *this* is a study that “proves without doubt”?

    So, parents who don’t recognize the seriousness of vaccinations also don’t recognize the need for tonsillectiomies either. Gee. Brilliant.

    Here’s a statistic: ten kids dead of whooping cough. (http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/02/vaccine-denial-psychology-backfire-effect). 39 groups of people chose not to vaccinate and as a direct result they are personally responsible for the deaths of 10 kids, presumably because some 21 years ago some idiot parent figured his kid didn’t need a tonsillectomy.

  • Lou

    OK you win.

    Sir please show me ONE SINGLE gold-standard clinical trial by an interested party where ANY “vaccine” has been shown to be safe and effective.

    TIA

    Look any clinical trial by anyone anywhere. Just show the clinical trial

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    This is a survey that is heavily biased towards families who are antivaccination. Because it is so skewed and limited it has no relevance and is not proof of anything. This confirms that the anivax movement is

    1-completley dishonest
    2- Has never been able to think critically, logically or been able to properly research
    3- Are full of conspiracy theorists
    4 Are blind.

    Your own dazzling replays of repeatedly false information show how incapable you are of thinking critically or skeptically and have no understanding of proper research. You see those who don’t vax don’t like to read properly researched peer reviewed articles that are not only undertaken by pharmaceutical companies (they do have a responsibility and obligation after all to ensure the safety and effectiveness…there is only one way to do that and that is through research of their product …..and as for funding, come on the funding has to come from somewhere…who is going to fund it otherwise? You? Blackmores? Meryl Dorey of the AVN and their fraudulently obtained ‘charity’ funds?). Anecdote is refutable especially when research has followed up on anecdote and has found the reason to be otherwise….something many parents have difficulty grasping in the blame game. Do people have a choice to vaccinate? Of course they do. But the antivax movement should be held to account and corrected every time they peddle deliberately misleading, misconstrued lies that have been proven false over and over again. And herd immunity….yes it has been proven over and over and over again to be very effective in protecting babies and immunosuppressed children and adults. Its existence has been proven time and again.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Autism is a classic case in this respect”

    https://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/autismfacts.html

    “Autism is a chronic developmental disorder, often first identified in toddlers from age 18 months to 30 months. MMR is administered just before the peak age of onset of autism symptoms. This timing leads some parents to mistakenly assume a causal relationship. There is no evidence that MMR causes autism”.

    An article regarding the myth of ‘vaccine encephalopathy’

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2603512/

    Some study around vaccines and autoimmune disease
    http://image.thelancet.com/extras/02art9340web.pdf

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Lou you can repeat healthy protocols and the quack Viera Scheiber all you want till the cows come home but this is not factual evidence. Viera Scheiber is a well known antivax nutjob crank who cherry picks info to suit herself.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    lol yes, they love conspiracy theory.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    I’m not even American. Drop bear sounds good for me!

  • Roxanne

    Your comments, not surprisingly, offer no substance. You’ve already decided that there are ZERO vaccine victims. That would mean that
    vaccines according to your “rational” calculations bat a 100% safety
    rating. That must be the most ludicrous assertion of all! Hence, anything that challenges that programmed dogma is dismissed out of hand as “propaganda.” Do you even try to listen to the accounts of young women like these? Tell me about the soldier’s account or did you even bother to watch? Too busy trolling, huh?

  • Roxanne

    Vaccine “science” in action or more like INACTION
    “Prevnar has not been evaluated for its carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or impaired infertility…Immune response elicited by Prevnar among infants born prematurely have not been studied.”
    Two Statements from Product Monograph for Prevnar Vaccine

    “Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Fluzone vaccine. It is also not known whether Fluzone vaccine can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity … Fluzone vaccine has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or for impairment of fertility.” Vaccine Package Insert for Sanofi Pasteur’s Fluzone

    “Carcinogenicity – We have done no testing for the carcinogenicity of MF-59or any of our vaccines. We haven’t done it and we don’t plan to.”
    Dr. Novicki, Scientist, Novartis Pharmacheuticals, F.D.A.-N.I.H. Meeting 12/2008

  • Avoice

    Arrogance with a tone no less. Witty reply. My original post stands on it’s own. To much conflicting opposition no matter what side your on. The vaccine inserts alone state there are side affects of these vaccine.
    You can refute Ancedotals…but parents don’t make this stuff up.
    Also, it’s so easy for you to spout out conspiracy this or that…but this debate has been long before the a Andrew WKefield thing….I for one don’t vax my kids, I’m accountable to my family…not yours. After extensive research, Ancedotals and process of critical thinking…it works out that in our family vaccines are a no go. I perceive the choice I make really angers you…you will get over it. It’s my child and it’s my choice:)
    Also just looking at a vaccine ingredient list and knowing the harm and the known neurotoxins, I would never inject that into anything living and expect a healthy result. The anti vax crowd, we sit around and truly try to grasp how you can rationalize even the slightest bit and reason that aluminum, formaldehyde, thimerasol, monkey RNA, dog DNA, human Diploid ( ABORTED FETAL CELLS) polysorbate, msg, antifreeze….good grief…and that’s the short list.
    I fail miserably to even fathom your decision to take those ingredients, inject them into something living and expect a healthy result. And then you have the audacity to insult those of us who say no way…your so busy demonizing and refuting everything that goes against your belief. Either you are trolling, really that stupid or paid!
    Next time you want to comment with me, lose your ridiculous tone, that tone is tell take sign of a troll! The pro vax group in large part are the most rude and disrespectful group …there are a few exceptions.

    One question….aside from the two opposite beliefs, what exactly is it that the pro vax people want from us no vax people. No one who endorses vax will ever clarify what it is that you want from us.

    I’ve seen several comments in this debate that originate from pro vax view, and some of the pro vax supporters have stated that they should have their children removed until the parents comply, first of that is absurd….really….and second of all, how would you pro vax people appreciate if we non vax people said, we believe you should have your children removed from your custody because we believe you are injecting poison into your children. Doesn’t that seem ludicrous? Well, it is…stop being so nasty and if you ever want to get anywhere, use more tact.

  • Avoice

    Even Drs. Acknowledge vaccine damage. Autism is listed as a side affect on vax insert. Herd immunity is a theory…never proven.
    How do Drs admit, acknowledge and report vaccine damage but you can not.
    I’ve read through your 40 + comments! you are a whiny little girl who comes of foolish and clueless. We are through!

  • Lou

    “What exactly is it that the pro vax people want from us no vax people.
    No one who endorses vax will ever clarify what it is that you want from
    us.”

    It is really very simple. You MUST “vaccinate” your children, all your children with each and every “vaccine” ANYONE thinks may be a good idea. We have agreed to sacrifice our children and you NEED to validate our decisions. Misery loves company and all that.

    Just get the damn “vaccines”.

  • Roxanne

    Ha, when they were married at the altar of vaccine dogma
    in the Church of Vaccinology, they exchanged poisoned needles and took an oath to hear no vaccine wrong, see no
    vaccine harm and speak no vaccine harm!

  • Lou

    “Here’s a statistic: ten kids dead of whooping cough. 39 groups of people chose not to vaccinate and as a direct result they are personally responsible for the deaths of 10 kids,”

    Gee 39 kids why not make it 39,000 kids that is what the CDC does. When you want to scare parents for gosh sake SCARE THEM.

    Sir you really need to LEARN a little about pertussis.

    First lose the “whooping cough”, so unprofessional, so contributing to the fog that surrounds this disease. The disease is caused by the bacterium Bordetella pertussis. Now this itself is a BIG problem clinically because there is another bacteria Bordetella parapertussis. The diseases resulting from these two different bacteria are clinically almost NEVER differentiated. Why does this matter? Why Sir because the “pertussis vaccine” does not “protect” even in theory against Bordetella parapertussis. Thus even you should see why the “pertussis vaccine” is such a horrific FAILURE.

    “Furthermore, we should be skeptical about the “outbreaks” that are reported to have occurred. Pertussis, or “whooping cough,” is actually rather difficult to diagnose conclusively, as it requires special cultures or antibody tests that many laboratories cannot perform and that many doctors, in the presence of suggestive symptoms, rarely take the trouble to order. Conversely, there are other cases of pertussis with typical signs and symptoms but negative cultures and no detectable antibodies. In other words, whooping cough as a clinical syndrome need not be associated with the organism Bordetella pertussis, against which the vaccine is prepared, or indeed with any microorganism whatsoever.” Doctor Richard Moskowitz, MD

    http://iai.asm.org/content/61/2/486.abstract

    Let us look at the abject failure of the “pertussis vaccine”

    “In 1986 there were 1300 cases of pertussis in Kansas and 90 % of these cases occurred in children who had been adequately vaccinated. Similar vaccine failures have been reported from Nova Scotia where pertussis continues to be occurring despite universal vaccination. Pertussis remains endemic[4] in the Netherlands where for more than 20 years 96 % of children have received 3 pertussis shots by age 12 months.” Why-you-should-avoid-taking-vaccines

    “There are only a handful of deaths attributed to whooping cough in the United States each year, and most of those are infants––some of whom are too young to get the vaccine. So why is the CDC now pushing for every person to be immunized [sic.] in infancy and then receive five more booster vaccinations as they advance into adulthood and old age? You have almost no chance of getting whooping cough as an infant, and you have even less chance as an adult.” Doctor William Douglass MD, Note, MANY studies have shown this “vaccine” is near worthless at preventing the disease in
    the US and MANY countries have banned it. IMO what the CDC et al are doing is suppressing the immune systems of our helpless infants and the rest of us too, pure and simple

    “Sweden stopped its whooping cough vaccination program in 1979 when it was discovered that 84 percent of the children who fell ill from the disease had been vaccinated against it three times. And a study published in 1994 in the New England Journal of Medicine noted that more than 80 percent of American children under five with whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.”

    “CDC data shows 84 percent of children under the age of 3 have received at least FOUR DTaP shots—which is the acellular pertussis vaccine that was approved in the United States in 1996—yet, despite this high vaccination rate, whooping cough still keeps circulating among both the vaccinated and unvaccinated. More likely than not, the vaccine provides very little if any protection, and this was evidenced very clearly in a study published in Clinical Infectious Disease.”

    81 Percent of Whooping Cough Cases Occurred in People Who Were Fully Vaccinated “In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.”

    “In the UK between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children.” Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK

    So Sir if the wonderful “pertussis vaccine” is so worthless what do we do as parents? Lucky for us there is a simple totally non-toxic solution to both the pertussis disease (from either bacterium), this solution BOTH prevents the disease and TREATS the disease; it costs pennies a day.

    BUT here is the PROBLEM Sir this pertussis magic bullet OBVIATES the “pertussis vaccine”. We should KNOW BIG VACCINE INC and its bed partner the CDC will never allow a simple non-medical solution to a problem that can “be prevented with a vaccine”. Even worse the magic bullet Vitamin C and another simple vitamin Vitamin D will one day OBVIATE most of the “vaccines” in the CDC “schedule”.

    All parents need to study this pertussis problem. The solution could mean the life of your child. The CDC and BIG VACCINE INC clearly intend to douse your child with so many DTaP shots your poor child’s immune system will be exhausted. The Political Pandemic that has been developed will overwhelm your child’s immune system and the Pandemic will be a roaring success.

    We already know the ‘Seasonal Flu” and other viruses are “Cured” by high levels of vitamin D. We know much of atherosclerosis is “Cured” by high levels of vitamins C and E. Could it be most childhood “Diseases” can be “Cured” or strongly alleviated by adequate amounts of common vitamins and nutrition?

    YES it could.

    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/09/07/vitamin-c-for-whooping-cough-updated-edition-suzanne-humphries-md/

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_pertussis.htm

  • Avoice

    We will pass…but thanks anyway!

  • Lou

    Speaking of polysorbate 80; a LOT of research seems to have been done by the depopulation people on this substance that finds its way into so many “vaccines”. Do you see an agenda here folks. If not please open your eyes..

    https://www.google.com/search?as_q=polysorbate+birth+control&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=

  • Lou

    Good on ya.

  • Roxanne

    Personally know of several DPT vax victims including a mother who lost her healthy daughter within hours of the shot and a father
    whose son regressed from normalcy to severely brain damaged
    with constant seizures and in a wheel chair “thanks” to the DPT. The “authorities” response: It’s a “coincidence”…always a “coincidence”… Vaccine victims are invisible, their true numbers never known “thanks” to a closed system that admits no guilt, doesn’t even investigate but ASSUMES vaccine innocence….
    “There is just overwhelming data that there’s an association between the pertussis vaccine and seizures. I know it has influenced many pediatric neurologists not to have their own children immunized with pertussis.”
    Dr. Jerome Murphy, former Head of Pediatric Neurology, Milwaukkee Children’s Hospital

    “Administration of pertussis vaccine causes a variety of reactions…encephalopathy and neurological disturbances which have been occasionally observed and in rare cases produces severe brain damage and ever death.”
    Japanese Journal of Medical Science and Biology, 1985

    “Only after realizing that routine immunizations were dangerous did I achieve substantial drop of infant death rates. The worst vaccine of all is the whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine…It is responsible for a lot of deaths and for a lot of infants suffering irreversible brain damage. In susceptible infants it knocks their immune systems out, leading to irreparable brain damage, or severe even deaths like pneumonia or gastro-enteritis and so…If the Vitamin C status of an infant is borderline, the administration of a vaccine, particularly but not only, the Pertussis Vaccine can result to endotoxaemia. sudden death, sudden unconsciousness, sudden shock or sudden spontaneous bruising and hemorrhaging including brain and retinal can occur.”
    Archie Kalokerinos MD, PhD, AMM, FACP

  • jhamies

    I choose to vaccine my kid even though I’m a non-vaccine person. You see I’m from a 3rd world country, very poor & 30yrs ago vaccines are expensive my parents can’t afford it. As a kid I was small, scrawny, & often sick. Now I’m a dad gave my son all vaccines needed, he’s 3yrs old & big as when I’m 6yrs old. I think he’ll grow taller & stronger than me.

    You see, all these studies are from 1st world rich countries. Try these studies at poor 3rd world countries where I come from & you’ll get deseases sickness on non-vaccine kids. Worst is death. This is my personal experience not any studies… so to those who don’t vaccine your kid, don’t travel to poor countries you might kill your kid. Keep them safe always. I don’t blame my parents to what happened to me, I just took this as a lesson todo better for my kid.

  • Jim Bob

    No. Autism is not listed as a side-effect on the vaccine insert. It states that some adverse events have been REPORTED including autism but there is no causal link between autism and vaccination.
    REPORTED does not equal scientifically validated. It means a patient said vaccines cause my autism but it wasn’t confirmed. By law, the pharmaceutical company must list it in the insert.
    Please be honest in your comments and interpretation of data. Your bias is showing.

  • Jim Bob

    None of what you posted corroborates the “all of the vaccine” theory. How about we make it simple?
    What part of the vaccine causes eczema?

  • Jim Bob

    Ok. Which one do you want?

  • Lynn

    It’s just population control people. If they don’t do it one way they’ll find another. Stop relentlessly arguing, both sides are valid. The fact is the government doesn’t care, it controls. None of the pesticides, hormones, additives, preservatives, dyes, fillers, or some of the main ingredients (that have been so manipulated they’re reduced to just fillers themselves) that our government chooses to be in our products and food are good for any living thing. Yet, would you look at where we are, paying them for it. Oh the irony! Personally, I choose not to inject my children with poisons or allow them to ingest any. The truth is people, we don’t know what causes SIDS or any developmental disorders or why there is a spike in nearly incurable “super bugs”. But I have a pretty fucking good idea. Use your common sense people and stop trying to hurt each other. (It will never cease to amaze me of how quickly we turn on each other.)

  • Avoice

    Your about as honest as the government and vaccine industry! Blatant liar…
    You bias is showing as well….
    Autism is listed, along w guillan barre, SIDS…and a long list of other side affects of vaccines.
    You can have my share of vaccines…my 19 yr old, 8 yr old won and haven’t been using them. Infact, my retired USMC husband managed to by pass yearly inoculations while on active duty…that is not easy to do. In our military trAvels we had witnessed more than I can write down here???we know what we saw and we know why we believe what we believe…your science and endless peer reviewed study’s mea absolutely nothing. We will never never vax..so get over it…

  • AQ

    ITYM “A word that I don’t like because it implies that I may be wrong”.

  • AQ

    Burden of Proof fallacy–try again.

    The burden of proof is on the person making the claims to substantiate those claims–NOT on the person questioning the claims.

  • elnura

    Your response is indicative of to things;
    -someone in denial
    -someone
    being paid to be in denial-troll.

    Have you studied or research vaccine/the pharmaceutical industry from this perspective. This is what the
    journalist
    did in these two research books. If you haven’t read them you really
    can’t comment on them so please save your reviews.

    The scientist
    mentioned in my comments are high officials at the FDA and CDC,
    government scientist who know what is going into vaccines as well as the
    drugs that are
    release on the market. The fact that Roberts used
    real names and titles of the scientist instead of pseudonyms indicates
    the authenticity of the information she provides. The fact that you can
    go the the FDA’s website and obtain these transcripts yourself indicates
    she is providing the clearest and genuine information. From the lips of
    the scientist to the eyes of the reader. The information provided in
    her books and the small amount I’ve provided here is more revealing than
    the ingredients that posted on the CDC’s websites. Not only are people
    being injected with know poisons-they are being injected with viruses
    and pathogens the scientist can’t even explain what they are and how the human body will react to.

    DNA fragments from aborted fetal cells, prions and
    oncogenes
    from bovine & swine, viruses from contaminated chicken eggs,
    retroviral particles from chickens, substrates’ of mashed bird embryo,
    minced
    monkey kidneys, cloned human cells, immortalized
    (cancerous-He La) or diploid [laboratory grown] mammalian cells. Add to
    that thimersol, aluminum and live
    viruses in DNA fragments. DNA
    fragments contaminating vaccine lots might be from dead cells but
    nevertheless remained extremely active and dangerous. Dr Golding feared
    they might combine with other genetic codes contaminating the vaccine
    lots – and thus create a mutant viral strain that could even get in the
    individual doses of vaccine. None of this can be filtered out because if

    it’s smaller than the live virus-it stays in. The removal of this
    contaminating DNA has proved impossible. The US government in 1986
    recommended a weight limit
    for contaminating DNA of 100 picograms per vaccine dose. But the manufacturers could not meet
    this safety recommendation, as was explained at this
    Workshop.
    Their failure again led the government to relax its standards, applying
    the 100 picograms limit solely to vaccines produced from cancerous
    cells, and allowing one hundred times as much contaminating DNA (10
    nanograms) in vaccines produced on other types of cells. But the meeting
    was told that vaccine manufacturers now admitted they could not meet
    even this lower standard
    of ‘purity.’ Thus high levels of hazardous DNA pollution
    remain in many vaccines.
    Dr. Golding: Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) Food & Drug Administration (FDA)

    What part of the vaccine causes Eczema?
    Do you know how unintelligent and ignorant that question makes you sound? Is this what trolls have been instructed
    to do-cherry pick. OK. I’ll play.

    If you’ve done any research on vaccines, which yo’ve claimed you’ve done, you’d know that ANY vaccines can
    initiate a dermal reaction.

    ***Mercury/Thimersol and Aluminum***

    “Numerous studies support influenza vaccination of persons with egg allergy using modest precautions.
    Evidence continues to mount that there is cross-talk between skin barrier defects and immune responses in
    patients
    with atopic dermatitis. ” Advances in allergic skin disease,
    anaphylaxis, and hypersensitivity reactions to foods, drugs, and insects
    in 2012
    J Allergy Clin Immunol. 2013 Jan;131(1):55-66. doi:
    10.1016/j.jaci.2012.11.007. Epub 2012 Nov
    27.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23199604

    ECZEMA VACCINATUM
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/22/2/259

    Investigating
    Viruses in Cells Used to Make Vaccines; and Evaluating the Potential
    Threat Posed by Transmission of Viruses to Humans
    http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/scienceresearch/biologicsresearchareas/ucm127327.htm

    http://google2.fda.gov/search?q=vaccine+induced+eczema&client=FDAgov&site=FDAgov&lr=&proxystylesheet=FDAgov&output=xml_no_dtd&getfields=*

    http://aapredbook.aappublications.org/site/week/iotw030308.xhtml

    Widespread
    eczema vaccinatum acquired by contacts. A report of an autopsy
    case.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/377910?dopt=Abstract

    Mercury exposure – even at low levels – linked to eczema.
    http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/mercury-exposure-linked-to-eczema/

    Mercury-induced nummular dermatitis
    http://www.jaad.org/article/S0190-9622%2800%2945274-6/abstract

    Updates In Eczema Research & Treatments: Learn The Latest Developments Of This Common
    Yet Debilitating Skin Condition:
    http://eczemafree.org/121/updates-in-eczema-research-treatments-learn-the-latest-developments-of-this-common-yet-debilitating-skin-condition/

    The International Journal of Epidemiology Vol. 32, 2. Pp 278-9
    http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/32/2/278http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber05.html#VaccinesandRelatedBiological

    Eczema
    is considered an autoimmune disease so one of the concerns of the
    scientist at the vaccine conferences/meeting is the rise of autoimmune
    diseases caused by the UNKNOWN manifestations of unknown viruses,
    prions, pathogens and other unidentifiable elements in the vaccine
    solutions.

    By asking “what vaccine causes eczema” you are
    Ignoring proof presented and focusing on a very small part of a large
    indisputable comment. Your attempt is to invalidate the entire comment
    by cherry picking or nit-picking a extremely small bit of information.
    To avoid discussing the cogent issues, you deny valid sources, deny that
    witnesses are acceptable and even deny that statements made by
    government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance. You try
    and distract and create a new reality by asking “what part of the
    vaccine causes
    eczema?. What you have demonstrated is a genuine
    trolling technique which to me reveals you’re not a concerned parent as
    you have portrayed yourself to be on
    numerous comment boards. You are a troll.

  • ponerology

    Did you have access to nutritious food at regular intervals and in healthy quantities? And did you have access to hygenic systems for cleaning and waste elimination? Many, many diseases are due to lack of proper hygiene and food.

  • ponerology

    Agree with your assessments.

  • Prudence Dagg

    You were scrawny and sick, but still here and not brain damaged and (from what I gather) not paralyzed.

  • Prudence Dagg

    Jerome Murphy is “former Head”…was he forced to step down for being halfway critical of a vaccine? Where is a good place to get information on him?

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Proof mate proof! Not all babies are breast fed. Diseases also don’t discriminate you know. You can have the best of hygiene and nutrition all you want through life, but it makes no difference to a pathogen.

  • Heather Holter

    5,7,9,11 and they all got all the same vaccines.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    More conspiracy theories elnura?, I’m disappointed in you. No you haven’t dealt with me before. But I am having fun though. Antivaxxers don’t like being challenged on their misguided and poor informed beliefs. Once challenged they get all upset and start throwing ‘aggressive’ and ‘hostile’ and ‘big meanie’ terms around. Not that I intend to change your opinion…you are already a lost cause. No its the fence sitters and the people who are genuinely trying to make a properly informed choice about vaccination who venture onto sites such as this and find lies, conspiracy theories and false claims made by proven quacks and perpetuated by crackpots who don’t know how to read real research. Myself and other science advocates challenge you so that the fence sitters and info seekers can see that there is a major problem with your view. Some of them eventually seek the properly researched info when they realise they are being mislead. That makes challenging your beliefs worth while.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    I do read vax lables. I even administer them. I have not had one baby die or be ‘injured’ by a vaccine. The ingredients of vaccines are also well known and available online. In my case from the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration site. Whenever we challenge antivaxxers to show us all the vaccine injured kids and the apparent deaths, they fail to show us one.

  • Roxanne

    Suffering Third World children are nutrient deficient, not vaccine deficient.
    “Common sense informs us that health is chiefly a non-medical function based on factors such as nutrition, water, sanitation, housing and environment. Under conditions of abject poverty in the villages and slums, the health of 85% of our people has been converted into illness. This in turn has given rise to the health industry which is controlled by the pharmaceutical companies.” Norshir Antia MD, Surgeon, India, ‘A Life of Change, The Autobiography of a Doctor’
    Unfortunately, I’ve seen Third World vaccine victims. Those who are malnourished are the most vulnerable to vaccine injury. Historical data
    shows that as living standards improved in North America, mortality from
    infectious diseases plummeted. Vaccine campaigns not only cause
    potential problems and devastation such as the flaccid paralysis, but do
    nothing to address the ROOT problems of malnutrition, impure water etc.

  • Roxanne

    Sorry, I don’t know. I do know of others who’ve paid the price for speaking out re. vaccines but am not familiar with his situation.

  • hommedespoir

    While you were placing all your babies’ lives at risk of death or injury by administering a never-proven product, how often did you ask yourself (if ever) why the vax cartel will NEVER conduct even the most basic of scientific research which could either establish that their mercury-poisoned vax is safe…. or more likely that the risk is too great?

    Every injection of Thimerisol is another shot of mercury nearer to being your kid’s last shot. Does the label you CLAIM you read tell you that the deadly-poison called mercury is SAFE?

    If you scholarly reading of the label does ever get to the warning line about the possible side-effect being DEATH, does your profession opinion relay this possibility to your unfortunate victim, or to the kid’s demented parent or guardian?

    Is it MY JOB to produce a tiny cadaver and place it on your kitchen table before you will open your blood-shot eyes?

    Have you EVER deigned to lower your mighty mind down to the level of reading any of the intelligent information produced by medical professionals and open-minded researchers who are NOT bribed by the criminal drug corporatocracy?

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Thiomersol has not been used in Australian vaccines for 20 years. The lables and inserts do not state death as a side effect. Vaccines have been researched over and over and over again not just by the pharmaceutical companies that make them (and I say here that the pharmaceutical companies have a responsibility to ensure that their product is safe and effective. They also have a right to ensure their product is safe and effective….an the only way to do this is through research….antivaxxers don’t like that) but also of independent researchers from private labs and universities who have conducted research independently of the pharmaceutical industry. However I have no onjection to funding fro the research coming from the pharmaceutical industry…after all funding for any form of research is hard to get. Who else is going to pay for it? You? Swisse?). Vaccines are put through far more rigourous trials and research and safety studies than naturopathical. homeopathical quackery that has as much if not more potential to cause death to a consumer. I object to the dangerous and hysterical misinformation bleated out by old crackpots. At least I know what I’m talking about.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Wakefield was proven wrong over and over again. Funny how he is a poster boy for antivaxxers when all he was trying to do was discredit the MMR vax in circulation at the time so he could get his own vax endorsed.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    ’91. That is when the OPV vax was in use and did prove to be less effective. However since then with research and improvement, the IPV vax for polio has proven to be very, very effective. Its not just polio that is the scourge of the developing world though and vaccinations are poving very effective in saving not just lives, but preventing many people from being injured byt he VPD’s.

    You fancy yourself as a vaccine ‘skeptic’. You are far from skeptic, you are a denier. A Skeptic would look at all evidence equally without bias before drawing a conclusion, and continue to research to ensure clarity. You do not.

    Now for the rest. The infant blood brain barrier was at one point thought to be under developed but recent studies such as one comparing stroke in neonates to adults finds that it remains less permeable than an adults following a stroke. The blood brain barrier is selectively permeable and blocks unwanted molecules from entering. This is achieved through transporting systems of the epithelial cells lining the blood vessles and communication of these endothelial cells with several types of cells within the brain (Bunim, 2012). It ah been found that neonates do in fact have a blood brain barrier at birth and this blood brain barrier seems to mature in a very short time after birth given the presence of astrocytes in one week following birth (Halway, D Weizmann Institute of Biology Chemistry). Further studies may assist to confirm this. Given that the constituents of vaccines are protein bound they do not cross the blood brain barrier.

    Demyelination: “Myelination of the developing nervous sytem is far from complete at the time of birth” says Rorke-Adams. “Human newborns, unlike calves or foals, cannot jump out of the womb and run around the delivery room. Although myelination isn’t complete until early childhood, it is sufficiently advanced by by 12 to 18 months of age to allow a baby to crawl and start walking. However, at 6 months of age, certain portions of the brain have little myelin. If there is little or no myelin it isn’t possible to have a demyelineating disease. Therefore, demyelineating diseases aren’t generally found in children less than 12 months of age.” (Rorke-Adams is in an excellent position to know this, having published the seminal and much referenced book MYELINEATION OF THE BRAIN IN THE NEWBORN.)

    Synergistic toxicity: I gather you are referring to substances such as thiomersol, aluminium, and formaldehyde? All these sunstances have been proven safe, however thiomersal has been removed from vaccines and have not been used in Australian vaccines for 20 years, except for one vaccine where there is the tiniest trace element. You get far more mercury from the environment and from food than you ever did when thiomersal was present in vaccines

    Aluminium: Aluminium exposure in vaccines are very, very low, lower than even dietary exposure and well below the minimum risk level of 2.0mg/kg/day. Studies have found no long term effects from such a small amount. Aluminium levels in a babies pathology is not even altered after vaccination (Eldred, J et al MJA of Australia 2006). Aluminium helps to keep the antigens at the site of injection (ie in the muscle…not ‘directly into the bloodstream like some antivaxxers keep perpetuating) where it can be utilised by cells. The use of aluminium as a adjuvent has enabled vaccines to be more effecitive using less antigens and has also resulted in fewer vaccinations required (NCIRS, 2013), Aluminium is eliminated very quickly. It is bound by the transferrin protein where it is delivered to the kidneys for excretion. Aluminium is present in the air and environment as well as in food including breastmilk and formula. Aluminium that is retained and stored is stored in the bones, lungs and brain in small amounts. The main source of accumulated aluminium is from food and by the time a child is an adult they will have accumulated 50 to 100 mg aluminium from food alone.

    So to answer your question there is not threat to baby from synergistic toxicity, their myelin, or their blood brain barrier from vaccines.

  • rjdlhh82

    Yes….I have 4 children…they are all vaccinated….they are all healthy. In fact, I’m taking the youngest to the doctor tomorrow morning to catch up on any vaccines they may have missed since he hasn’t seen a doctor in 10 years..because he has been healthy. (13 years old now) (oh and by the way, he is the 28 week preemie) I am not a made up story, we try to eat a healthy diet, no processed foods, no carbonated drinks, no refined sugars, etc. I also home school my kids so they aren’t exposed to every cold out there. (2 have graduated college, one still in college all have excelled in college) And I’m so sorry if I have spelling or grammar mistakes…I’m not an English major, nor did I think you needed to be one to respond to a public forum.

  • hommedespoir

    Thimerisol was supposed to be banned in the USA too, but mercury is still injected, into babies as well as unsuspectant virgin teenagers.

    So why will BigPharma not conduct the research to prove that vax in safe? HINT: your job is on the line, so you cannot afford to agree in public that you and they both know that the tests would PROVE the stuff is statistically NOT safe…. therefore the tests they have conducted remain locked in company vaults under armed guard, right?

    I suggest their reasons are as non-existant as the exact-parallel reasons that all the water companies that poison US with totally-toxic fluoride also refuse to conduct safety tests, same reasons MonfrackingSanto refuses to conduct safety tests for GMO and Glyposate.

    What do they have to be afraid of if not to be told that their products (including your lethal vaccines) are NOT safe?

    You make the stuff, you inject the stuff, it ain’t my job to do the testing your overlording greedy corporate sponsors refuse to conduct.

    As the genocidal pharmaceutical giants refuse any and all vax-safety testing….you should be able to figure out the real crackpot source bleating out your hysterical misinformation.

  • ccdaddy

    Better watch it,the Bible says, Pride commeth just before a great fall!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Diseases don’t discriminate. A pathogen doesn’t give a rats arse what type of food you eat or how clean you are, its more interested in you as a nice cosy body to infect! Pint of fact that vaccination has almost eradicated polio and many other diseases despite poor water and nutrition. I had measles, mumps and the complication of encephalitis as a kid and I live in a ‘first world’ country with decent water and good nutrition!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    We are through? Awww I was just warming to your company! Heart broken terribly! I find you hilarious! You have no idea how to properly be skeptic. I enjoy rocking the boat of skewed opinion.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    So when you marry int the church of antivax lies and zealotry did you exchange coffee enema’s?

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    You really have limited reading capacity don’t you? If you are the skeptic you fancy yourself as you would read much more widely and be critical of not just the scientific side but also the antivax side too.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    I click on the link, it goes to youtube and all I get is a video telling me how to build a hula hoop…..and I am being dead serious.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    all you have done here is cherry pick. Seriously some of these articles are so old they hardly hold relevance for current vaccines.

  • elnura

    TROLL!!!!!!!!

  • elnura

    !!!!!!!TROLL!!!!!!!!

  • Jim Bob

    I’m not trying to convince you to vaccinate your children (or yourselves). Do what you want but don’t spread false information as if its true.
    As I will state again, adverse events reported are not scientifically confirmed (which is usually the next sentence on the insert but you conveniently leave it out…I wonder why?). To suggest that vaccines cause autism, GBS or SIDS, is outright lying considering there is zero evidence that it does anything of the sort.

  • Jim Bob

    Roxie,
    Its interesting that you consider science to be a religion. When in fact, it takes more faith to believe in anti-vax logic since there isn’t any scientific information backing it up.
    Are you sure your not suffering from some kind of delusional disorder? Its almost textbook in these cases. I mean if you really look at the situation, you’ll see that it is possible that you have an altered perception of reality.
    Literally almost every doctor and health agency and scientist in the world supports vaccination except you and your merry men! On the balance of probabilities, is it more likely that there is a huge global conspiracy where pharmaceutical companies payoff every doctor, government, scientist, health agency, university and research centre in the world to support the idea of vaccination OR is it more likely that science has concluded that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks?

  • Roxanne

    ***The Measles (and MMR) Vaccine and Neurological Disorders
    (Including Central Nervous System Damage, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis [brain disease], and Guillain-Barre’ syndrome [paralysis]):

    Grose, C., et al. “Guillain-Barre syndrome following administration of live measles vaccine.” American Journal of Medicine 1976; 60:441-43.

    Schneck, S.A. “Vaccination with measles and central nervous system disease.” Neurology 1968; 18 (Part 2):79-82.

    Jabbour, J.T., et al. “Epidemiology of subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE).” Journal of the American Medical Association 1972; 220:959-62.

    Belgamwar, R.B., et al. “Measles, mumps, rubella vaccine induced subacute sclerosing panencephalitis.” Journal of the Indian Medical Association 1997; 95(11):594.

    Landrigan, P.J., et al. “Neurological disorders following live measles-virus vaccination.” Journal of the American Medical Association 1973; 223 (13):1459-62.

    Miller, C.L. Lancet (September 17, 1983).

    Beale, A.J. “Measles vaccines.” Proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine 1974; 67:1116-1119.

    Roden, A.T. “Fits following immunization.” Proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine 1974; 67:24.

    Jagdis, F., et al. “Encephalitis after administration of live measles vaccine.” Journal of the Canadian Medical Association (April 19, 1975); 112(8):972-75.

    Hirayama, M. “Measles vaccines used in Japan.” Reviews of Infectious Diseases 1983; 5:495-503.

    Pollock, T.M., et al. “A 7-year survey of disorders attributed to vaccination in Northwest Thames Region.” Lancet 1983; 1:753-57.

    Jorch, G. et al. “Coincidence of virus encephalitis and measles-mumps vaccination.” Monatsschr Kinderheilkd 1984; 132(5):299-300.

    Martinon-Torres, F., et al. “Self-limited acute encephalopathy related to measles component of viral triple vaccine.” Rev Neurol (May 1-15, 1999); 28(9):881-82.

    Norrby, R. “Polyradiculitis in connection with vaccination against morbilli, parotitis and rubella.” Lakartidningen 1984; 81:1636-37.

    Morris, K., et al. “Guillain-Barre syndrome after measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine.” Lancet 1994; 343:60.

  • Roxanne

    The Mumps Vaccine and Neurological Disorders:

    Thomas, E. “A case of mumps meningitis: A complication of vaccination?” Journal of the Canadian Medical Association 1988; 138:135.

    Champagne, S., et al. “A case of mumps meningitis: a post-immunization complication?” Canadian Disease Weekly Report 1988; 13-35:155-156.

    Ehrengut, W. “Mumps vaccine and meningitis.” Lancet 1989; 2:751.

    Von Muhlendahl, K.E. “Mumps meningitis following measles, mumps and rubella immunisations.” Lancet (August 12, 1989), p. 394.

    Cizman, M., et al. “Aseptic meningitis after vaccination against measles and mumps.” Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal 1989; 8:302-308.

    McDonald, J., et al. “Clinical and epidemiological features of mumps meningo-encephalitis and possible vaccine-related disease.” Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal (November 1989), pp. 751-754.

    Gray, J.A., et al. “Mumps meningitis following measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation.” Lancet 1989; i:98.

    Gray, J.A., et al. “Mumps vaccine meningitis.” Lancet 1989; i:927.

    Murray, M.W., et al. “Mumps meningitis after measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation.” Lancet 1989; ii:877.

    Bottiger, M., et al. “Swedish experience of two dose vaccination programme aiming at eliminating measles, mumps and rubella.” British Medical Journal 1987; 295:264-67.

    “Mumps meningitis and MMR vaccination.” [Editorial] Lancet 1989; ii:1015-1016.

    Forsey, T., et al. “Mumps viruses and mumps, measles, and rubella vaccine.” British Medical Journal 1989; 299:1340.

    Forsey, T., et al. “Mumps vaccines and meningitis.” Lancet 1992; 340:980.

    Miller, E., et al. “Risk of aseptic meningitis after measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine in U.K. children.” Lancet 1993; 341:979.

    Sawada, et al. Lancet 1993; 342:371.

  • Avoice
  • Lou

    “Since the passing of the [UK compulsory vaccination] Act of 1853 we have had no less than three distinct epidemics. In 1857 we had more than 14,000 deaths from smallpox; in the 1863 epidemic the deaths had increased to 20,000 and in 1871-2 …48,000” Walter R, Hadwen MD 1896

    Please learn how men of integrity were able to save England and other “vaccination” plagued countries by demonstrating how worthless and exceedingly deadly the commercial and political “vaccines” were.

    http://vran.org/wp-content/uploads/Perspectives-Immunity-Obomsawin.pdf

    If you think these politically induced plagues are a thing of the past I can assure they are not. We face a Political Pandemic many orders of magnitude greater then the Smallpox political plagues that took millions of lives back then.

    Our Political Pandemic will likely be viral. Fighting a virus is exceedingly easy and requires NO DRUGS or VACCINATION. IMO the seed of the pandemic will be in the “vaccination”; just as it was back in Hadwen’s time.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_virus_fight.htm

  • rjdlhh82

    it also says: Luke 6:37″Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

    Luke 6:41
    “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

    This could go on for days…… I have made an informed decision to vaccinate my children….who remain healthy. If vaccines were as bad as you say…..then why do the doctors, politicians vaccinate their own children? Do they NOT see these studies? Or are they hidden underground for you Anti Vax Trolls eyes only?

  • Lou

    “A pathogen doesn’t give a rats arse what type of food you eat or how clean you are,”

    Oh really, then please explain how a virus can infect one million people and 95% will defeat it with NO symptoms; 4% will get mildly sick and a few seriously sick?

    The virus is not our problem. The health or our bodies is the problem.

    “There is only one major disease, and that is malnutrition.”
    Doctor DW Cavanaugh, MD, Cornell University

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_disease.htm

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Oh really and please show me some real credible evidence from credible sources of your statement and claim instead of your beloved healthy protocol propaganda. You are so blinkered!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    A lot of your references are so old that their relevance to current vaccines and practices are almost obsolete. Show us some up to date research that better reflects current practices and data.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Politically induced plagues? You really are a paranoid conspiracy nutter aren’t you? Do you wear a tin foil hat to? None of you can answer my simple question here. The first question I asked in my very first post. You all spin around in circles howling. I love seeing how science is working so well and improving lives. Tell me Lou, tell me. Why did I get measles, mumps and encephalitis as a child and was left with a severe sensorineural hearing loss for the rest of my life. Why did my younger brother suffer the same? We live in first world Australia. Thee was no McDonalds or crap and even if there was my parents never bought it. We ate well. So tell me Lou in your all knowing misguided and incorrect wisdom. How did I ‘easily’ fight this virus in first world nutritionally well hygienic Australia……and guess what I WASN’T vaccinated at the time of infection, not was my brother.

  • Lou

    “Tell me Lou, tell me. Why did I get measles”

    Well I will tell you one thing. “Vaccination” had almost NOTHING to do with it.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_engmeasles.jpg

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_pertussis2.gif

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_measles2.gif

    Or are you blind also?

    ASIA
    (autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants)

    “A relatively new syndrome, ASIA (autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants) that was identified by scientists last year.”

    “vaccination” is CAUSING autoimmune disease and inflammation

    WOW is this a blockbuster or what?

    The bedrock technique of “vaccination” is CAUSING autoimmune disease and inflammation.

    Of course we have known this for decades. It sure is nice
    “vaccination” now has its own medically recognized NAMED PERNICIOUS syndrome! The name even directly identifies cause (vaccination) and (pernicious) effect. Bravo Medicine!

    “ALL vaccines are and have been causing ischemic (impaired blood flow) damages – to all – creating a plethora of chronic illnesses, disease, and in some instances…death. The injury from vaccination
    is additive, each vaccination further injures.” Doctor Andrew Moulden MD, PhD Note the chief cause of the ischemia is
    “vaccination” induced inflammation products in the capillaries.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_measles.htm

  • Mike L.

    I see a fair bit of trolling on this site and have seen the same tactics, straw man arguments and personal verbal attacks as used in other forums. Be wary – those vile to enough to engage in this behavior are capable of lying about anything.

  • Mike L.

    Just finished reading, ‘Fight for Your Health, Exposing the FDA’s Betrayal
    of America’ by B.J. Richards. Lots of in depth exploration of just how bad
    it gets when it comes to the FDA being co-opted. If you haven’t read it, I’d
    suggest you look into getting a copy.

  • Allison Smith-Estelle

    I did do my own research on these studies and couldn’t find any evidence of peer review, which makes me assume none was conducted. However, I was giving folks the benefit of the doubt and truly asking for people to send me anything they could to back up the research findings in these papers. More generally, I’ve done my own research for years, for my PhD in public health and during years of work in rural villages in Asia and Africa. How ’bout you?

  • Allison Smith-Estelle

    I have no idea what you are trying to say or prove, but as to your point about being at the children’s table…if earning a PhD from the Harvard School of Public Health and spending much of my career doing research (completely unfunded by what you consider the evil, pro-vaccine crowd) means I’m a child, very uneducated and all the other insults you threw at me, then so be it.
    I’ve watched children die of completely preventable diseases…how ’bout you?

  • Lou

    “My final conclusion after forty years or more in this business is that the unofficial policy of the World Health Organisation and the unofficial policy of ‘Save the Children Fund’ and almost all those organisations is one of murder and genocide.” (13)

    It is not the liberty of Dr. Offit, or any manufacturer researcher or government public health official, or any MD, to decide for you what is an acceptable level of risk for your child. Indeed – vis-a-vis vaccines, the industry shows nothing but disdain, for the truth and for the health of our kids, and cannot be trusted. Our focus must be on warning others of the palpable threat of vaccination, as the ground force to ultimately break the cartel’s hold – politically, economically and socially – completely.

    Research. Educate. We’re on our own.

    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/03/03/a-pox-on-their-arrogance-and-their-dark-motivations-by-shawn-siegel/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+vaccinationcouncil+%28International+Medical+Council+on+Vaccination%29#sthash.lYdplO1S.dpuf

  • hommedespoir

    Me? I am no vax-manufacturer, so I have never conducted the all-important research. Neither have my peers reviewed any pontificating wordz, under some such totally-vital heading like e.g.
    “Studies to Establish that XYZ Vaccine is Completely Non-toxic, ergo Risk-Free, Under all Practicable Clinical and Subclinical Conditions”.

    No vax manufacturer has done the research either. No manufacturer ever will do the research. Do you wonder why? No idea why no governmental or NGO ever demanded any such test?

    If not, it might never have occurred to you that any such research conceivably (=extremely probably) would produce the contrarian, commercially untenable information that the vax is NOT safe? Smart guess: they HAVE tested, they know the real results …. and in FACT
    the conniving conspiracy keeps the stupid public in the dark.

    The possible side-effect “death”, listed on the vaxpax, is the nearest hint the ignorant will ever get that we’ve been conned

  • Avoice

    You’re so crass! You accept nothing…nothing nothing….you refute everything….you are the definition of a false skeptic and you rank right up there with tpsome of the rudest commenters I’ve ever watched. Your crotchety ole self destroys all credibility. You are no scientific quality, you’ve brought nothing to the table but conjecture and poor attitude.
    No one cares about your rhetoric anymore than you care about everyone else’s. You are dreadful.
    Still NEVER going to vaccinate anything, ever to anything in my household! And it amazes me that it offends you!

  • Roxanne

    A quick re-cap of the Infanrix Hexa scandal. The Belgium watchdog group
    Iniative Citoyenne (press release in French) got a hold of GSK’s confidential 1271 page report from 10/09-10/11 which detailed 825 types of complications. In the chapters of this internal report were included: dozens of cases of FATALITIES, blood and lymph system disorders, eye disorders, gastrointestinal disorders, immune disorders, muscular skeletal and connective tissue disorders, nervous system disorders, respiratory and thoracic disorders, skin and subcutaneous disorders, and vascular disorders. France’s main medical journal admitted in 2011 that only ***1-10% of vaccine injuries gets reported. One can only wonder how many children have been the victims of this six-in-one vaccine and have visual, neurological and other disorders resulting from Infanrix Hexa and the subsequent censoring of its implications. Appalling.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Oh you poor diddums did I offend you? But I get that from people who don’t like their cosy little worlds and lies challenged. As I have said before, its not you I’m after….its the fences sitters that venture into these site thinking they might get decent advice, but find fear mongering from tin foil hat wearing paranoid conspiracy theorists. Thats who I’m after.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Graphs. Bogus graphs Lou, you never fail to disappoint! You can’t give me a credible answer to my question! Why? because you have none. You have no idea. So to cover for it you bang on and spin around and around with the usual unfounded antivax propaganda and try to say you are skeptic. I’m laughing!

  • chrisalien

    the only thing you are shaking isnt a tree…its a hell of a lot smaller than that.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    We do enjoy a great laugh at the AVN expense. Especially when they take a biased survey seriously (your inability to read real research never fails to amaze us). So maybe seeing as the yanks can’t answer me, you can. If I presented you with 100 vaccinated and 100 unvaccinated kids of similar age groups, with held all vaccination and health info for integrity of study, how are you going to tell who is the healthier kids? What tests are you going to do to determine this? Hmmm? Say hi to Meryl for us and that we are looking forward to the name change and of course let her know we request to see the audited accounts of the AVN as per the Charities Act. I hope she does realise that the public has a right to ask to view the audited accounts? ta.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    There has been a good piece of research recently released by Australian scientists on Gardisil. They have found that it is working very well, better than expected. Will you dare yourself to read it?

    http://www.bmj.com/content/348/bmj.g1458

    Ah the big pharma ‘profit motive’ Vaccines make ‘Big Pharma’ far less money than general medication. Vaccines are for primary health and prevention meaning that less people will get sick. Funny how antivaxxers bang on about big pharma greed, but ignor big naturopathica/homeopathica greed. You can buy general medication way cheaper than you can any homeopath/ naturopath ‘treatments’ Even Mercola is making a big buck from his ‘products’ Australian GP’s make no money from vaccines. They have to purchase them themselves to stock in their practices and they are given free via medicare, as does the Child and Family Health Nurses. We don’t see one iota of money from the pharmaceutical industry for vaccinations. Oh and there has been not one single death in Australia from vaccines. Not one.

  • hommedespoir

    In that case, tell us all why BigPharma has never published results of any research to prove that the vax is SAFE?

    …. and for that matter why did FDA and conspirators not demand that such research be conducted IN PUBLIC way back BEFORE the then-unknown product was marketed?

  • hommedespoir

    Don’t distract attention by knocking alternative therapies. I have personally witnessed an acupuncturist apply an easy and scientific TEST to his patient’s allopathic medicine. Our naturopath was able to apply a simple, accurate and completely reliable test and was able to assure his patient (my wife) that the med was biocompatible.

    A naturopath doesn’t interfere with an allopath’s recommendations for one very good (= very BAD) reason: the uni-trained GP/MD quacks have all conned the legislators into granting TOTAL
    (il)legit control of us health-impaired suckers.

    Only a GP who has years of extra training in alternative therapies knows how to test untested drugs being pushed.
    The rest play russian roulette with patient’s prescriptions, so that if the patient survives, but the drug was crap, just write script for some other pill… preferably the latest expensive drug that BigPharma is pushing off the Middle East killing fields

    Only thing I cannot understand is how come patients cannot see through the medicos’ boring deskside manner, instead of continuing to come back for ever more experimental medicine.

    If you reckon we’re way off topic, I won’t be disagreeable.

    But as you know, I never am :-)

  • hommedespoir

    Fair enough: you say “Will you dare yourself to read it?”

    The BMJ’s treatment of Andrew Wakefield was so appalling, you have to try much harder to get me to read their politically-loaded diatribe.

    Okay: I will tell you why I refuse to read another word until you can give us a damn good reason. Let me stop you right on the title.

    “Effectiveness of quadrivalent human papillomavirus vaccine for the prevention of cervical abnormalities: case-control study nested within a population based screening programme in Australia”

    Is this one of a research series? Peer reviewed, and all that co-ercion?

    So the next in the series of peer-papers might be somnething along similar if not identical lines (lines, geddit?)

    “Effectiveness of septivalent human circulomeridianilianovirus vaccine for the prevention of intracranial abnormalities: case-control study hosted within a limited guerilla-group programme, showing on a screen near you in ______ (fill in preferred country)”

    And then comes another military-funded research programme for….. etc

    You don’t begin to realise do you? how your profit-scamming overlords have sewn you and the market totally into one thing and one thing only (forget the money, they already have more money than they know what to do with so they’re now blowing the $tuff out of airplanes in clouds of toxic sprays believe it or Ripley knot….)

    The one thing this is all leading to is TOTAL CONTROL.
    TGotal control of all serfs under One New World Fracked Order … if we the people allow them to keep fracking….

    Ignore that thought at (y)our peril. Read Agenda 21…yes, all 1072 pages…. and then you’ll begin to know where they are really coming from. you’ll also find out where we are all heading if we continue to be so congenitally blind as to refuse to SEE their Agenda (they’re NOT hiding anything, it is ALL there in small print….I could not possibly invent such unbelievable fiction if I tried for a thousand years…)

    IF you/we allow them to continue the scam, they will end up with 128,483 known diseases all research-funded, all pertaining to some vaccine they want to $ell (either for an inflated price, or to give away to African unfortunates they want sterilised, also for an inflated price).

    I assume you’ve survived your first thousand vax shot$? Are you volunteering to receive 127,484 more, just so’s you can tell your kids you will never die?

    Or are you going to re-read the older, wiser, texts that talk about something so unprofitably-boringly-effective as ….. (y)our immune system?

    Remember PHYSIOLOGY 101: we all have an immune system.

    Unless the vax has shot it to death.

  • cheleagh

    Laugh as much as you want, Ray.(or whichever one you are?) laughing is good for your health.(hope a scientific paper is not needed for that statement?)
    Why is it that anyone who questions vaccination is automatically a fully fledged member of the AVN?
    Name change, audited accounts, etc. I do believe you have too much time on your hands Ray.(?) And you seem to have little faith in the process of the law.
    One thing i can tell you though, there is a lot that you don’t know, and unlike laughing, it may well be unhealthy for you and your image.(SAVN) (opinion)
    So instead of assuming/speculating what will happen with the AVN, just be a little patient and allow the processes unfold.

    And, only today my good friends son who is doing a course(microbiology?) at the university, was told by the lecturer that a friend of his who was diagnosed with aids, was told he didn’t have long to go.
    The friend decided to have a holiday in Figi.
    He spent a month over there living mainly on coconuts and the juice. When he returned he had another visit to his doctor who ran tests. They found that he was clear of aids.
    The lecturer told the class that they could not focus on something like that in the studies here as the corporations who fund us aren’t interested in those reports/happenings. They want us to stick with what keep the profit margins up.
    Going on this, what chance of always receiving an accurate scientific study when the profit margin is linked to it.
    The germ theory is flawed, and I would say deliberately so.
    Anyway i hope i made you laugh and not cry. Don’t want you being upset over a 150year old theory that may well need patching up.

    Cheers for now, Keith
    PS> Hope this is clear enough for you to understand. (2 long days at work so a bit tired)

  • Jim Bob

    Yup. This is a case of cherry-picked data.
    Moreover, its also a huge case of Dunning-Kruger.

  • Lou

    Luck for us the trolls on this page are mostly second rate. Of all the techniques of disinformation available to them they seem to be mostly stuck on number 5.

    5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also
    known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as
    variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as ‘kooks’,
    ‘right-wing’, ‘liberal’, ‘left-wing’, ‘terrorists’, ‘conspiracy buffs’, ‘radicals’,
    ‘militia’, ‘racists’, ‘religious fanatics’, ‘sexual deviates’, and so forth. This
    makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you
    avoid dealing with issues.

    http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html

  • Lou

    “Bogus graphs Lou, you never fail to disappoint!”

    Well Sir perhaps you can give us a better graph of Measles History. Perhaps one from the CDC.

    Sir you ALWAYS seem to be laughing or crying or carping or caviling or doing anything EXCEPTING presenting INFORMATION.

    Do you have an aversion to information?

  • Mike L.

    Yeah, this comment is so on target. They make it so obvious
    with every comment sticking their feet in their foul mouths!

  • Mike L.

    “you ALWAYS seem to be laughing or crying or carping or caviling”. Ain’t it the truth! Hey, this isn’t just trolling, it’s
    like you said, “second rate” trolling!

  • Mike L.

    Trolling scumbags are a dime a dozen, especially the bad ones. Don’t let their offensiveness get under your skin. They are their own worst enemies and make it so obvious they are
    only here to distract and slander. Anyone who would be so
    vile that they would troll, is likely to lie about anything.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Lou graphs tell you very little. I can make any graph I want and publish it saying that peanut butter is better on toast than on fresh bread and there will be gullible people who would believe it. Antivax propaganda is full of bogus graphs trying to make themselves credible to the gullible. A lot of the graphs only look at reduction in death rate (thanks to better medical treatments and reduction of transmission in SOME countries due to hygiene standards….but like I have said pathogens and viruses don’t discriminate), but not incidence of infection which is still very high. It doesn’t take into account people who were not only infected but were injured by the diseases. The ‘vaccine introduced’ arrow is always moved by the propagandist to make it look like it was introduced at the lowest point of the graph. An old trick in the book really. I have no aversion to information, just the deliberately falsified info you and others of your cult peddle…..and you still can’t answer my questions can you.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Well I’m enjoying myself!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    How far down the rabbit hole have you gone Mike L? Is it lined with tin foil?

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    They have no idea about relevance.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Population control? I’m yet to find anyone who has been rendered sterile from vaccines. And there has not been one death from vaccination in Australia and many other countries with a vaccination health policy.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Gee isn’t that understanding and compassion for someones life experience.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Diseases do not discriminate. A pathogen doesn’t care how clean you are or how many veggies you eat, you are a nice cosy environment to infect.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Ahhh Keith Kelly. I have seen you on the AVN page as well as the SAVN, The germ theory is not flawed and I can see right through the Bullshit of your little tale. So which uni is it and which lecturer was it hmmm? The Pharmaceutical industry receives little in profits from vaccines as opposed to the mainstream medications which you can buy much more cheaply then the ‘natural’ quackery you buy in health food shops and supermarkets. Lots of vested interest int eh naturo and homopath industries isn’t there? We still have had a good laugh at some of the crappola you posted over at SAVN, especially trying to push that germ theory doesn’t exist. We also have a bit of spot the KK every now and then as well and marvel at the misinfo. We are pleased to have contributed to the process of law to watch the AVN sink with its misinfo. We are smiling and waving as Methyl goes down with her loonies.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Yes I have received all my vax…and have lived well to tell the tale, though shame that the MMR wasn’t around at the time in my early childhood. I had Measles and mumps followed by the encephalitis. That took my hearing. My younger brother had the same and was left brain damaged. Had we been vaxxed at the time, I would not be deaf and he would not have been brain damaged by these diseases. Antivaxxers only focus on if anyone is dying or not from diseases. They don’t look at the people who have had the diseases and have been injured by the diseases. They smugly tell people such as myself and my brother that ‘well you didn’t die did you’….as if living with a resultant disability is something to be thankful for. Screw you is all I can say. And antivaxxers cannot give me a straight answer as to how this happened.

    I don’t expect anything I say will make you read fact. Antivaxxers are afraid of challenge and will twist every way they can to cuddle up to their poor beliefs. Not that I care either, but it highlights a point of antivaxx refusal to properly research. By the way, Wakefield was trying to discredit the MMR vaccine of the day to get his own patented MMR vax in its place to profit from it, hence the fact he was found fraudulent. Amazing how he has become an antivax pinup boy when he had his own vaccine to push.

  • Avoice

    You’re an asshole :D
    I’m not into name calling…but your the most lowest form of troll I’ve ever seen, I thought your kind of troll had evolved to a higher level at this point in the debate.

  • cheleagh

    It is our University here in Central Queensland. i may be able to get the lecturers name and contact number if you wish, but you may not want to follow it up in fear that i may be right. But the offer is there.(pending privacy rights)
    And please make accurate statements(“trying to push that germ theory doesn’t exist”) if you are wishing others to do the same. As you stated earlier, i believed it is flawed. Um, it exists(??!!?) but it’s flawed.
    Just to bring you up to date(as there is a lot you don’t know) i use no supplements, no processed foods(even from health shops) mostly organic, mostly raw,(ooooh, pathogens) and mostly never sick and improving with age.
    And if i haven’t needed meds. for the last 30 years, then why would I need them now?(barring life threatening emergencies) Bear in mind that I haven’t been a burden on the Public health system in that 30 years yet i have to pay into medicare every year. It’s unfair that a ‘no claim bonus’ is not in place as to give incentive to people to look after themselves.
    Maybe the sicker and more dependent the population are, the easier they are to control.(?)

    So if I can get that lecturers name do you want to speak with him?

  • Mike L.

    Thanks for making my point… You’ve been outed by yourself,
    no less.

  • cheleagh

    And you call me a nutter(or words to that effect) and you have nutters like Gates in control of the worlds vaccine programs. He seems hell bent on spending billions to injecting them(through mosquitos??!?) yet most of them are still starving. Do you see the flaw there?
    http://tv.greenmedinfo.com/bill-gates-wants-forced-vaccinations-via-mosquitos/

  • Avoice
  • Avoice

    Fir those who are undecided wether to vax or not to vax, reading the comments to vaccine article will do little good, may confound you more. Do your own research.
    Look at the ingredient list
    THINKTWICE.COM
    Dr. Sherry Tenpenney
    NVIC
    THE greater Good
    Inside vaccines
    Start reading, stop listening to pharma directed propaganda. It is your child, AND IT IS YOUR CHOICE!
    Herd immunity is still just a theory, not proven, just a hypothesis with no facts to back it.
    Do not engage the trolls who come spreading disinformation, attitude and who like to play ring around the rosy.
    Aluminum
    Formaldehyde
    Human diploid aka aborted fetal cells
    Mercury or thimerasol
    Monkey RNA
    Bovine DNA
    Polysorbate
    MSG
    And the list goes on…
    These are truly harrowing ingredients, take back your health freedom and think for yourself.
    You are responsible for your child’s health.
    Good luck!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Those who are undecided whether or not to vaccinate, be very very wary of the above cited ‘resources’ recommended for research by this poster. These ‘resources’ make very false claims in a bid to mislead the reader to further the antivaccination stance of this particular group. It is nothing more than antivaccination propaganda aimed to spread fear. If you want reliable information consult with your Medical practitioner or ask for a referral to an immunologist who are very qualified to answer any concerns and will be happy to debunk many of the fairytales and much of what is listed above that you read here. There are also plenty of well researched and up to date papers on the effectiveness and safety of vaccines available to read also. An informed consent does not come from reading propaganda from fear mongers. Read their propaganda if you must but also read the proper science behind vaccination and ensure you speak to the right people (please note that the ‘doctor’ noted in this list, Sherri Tennpenny is a washed up osteopath with no properly grounded medical education and is NOT an expert in vaccination, merely a vaccine denier. Be skeptical in your research, meaning that you view all literature equally and pick out what is fact from fiction. As I have said there is a lot of deliberately misleading information out there.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    I’ll take that as an actual compliment!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    I would be very happy to follow up the fairytale Keith and to see exactly what this bloke actually said. Many people on the SAVN have good contacts with UCQ and would love to have his name.

    I find it amusing when someone is surprised they find themselves in good health. As if they are special for it. I know of many, many people who are ageing well and are healthy with little need for medication and have only landed in hospital because of a misadventure. Some of them have suffered some of the VPD’s or even lost siblings or friends to VPD’s. There are some who even remembers the kids in legs courtesy of polio. Prove to me Keith that the germ theory does not exist. Give me overwhelming proof please.

  • cheleagh

    So you’re calling it a fairy tale before it’s even proven wrong or right. Getting right back into assumptions. Not healthy Ray.
    It seems to me(and yes I’m assuming) that any proof will be refuted by you regardless.(hope I’m wrong)
    Many people have very strong constitutions, so they can go through life with few complications, yet others are often sick, allergenic, catch anything that’s going around, etc.. My brother is the former and i was somewhat the latter. Although i didn’t catch all that went around. We both had the same living conditions.
    He takes on some of my health practices and has not had a vaccine since the 2 we had as children. Even when he travels overseas he abstains, and he’s been many, many times.
    So some get lucky with that strong constitution that’s served up to them, others like myself have to work hard at it to improve and retain their good health.
    I gave the medical mob 10 years to improve my health and they failed miserably.(they’re good body mechanics though)
    So I have over the years attained the realization that it’s up to me to be healthy, happy and content. And also that everyone has the choice to do it their way.

    BTW Ray, why do you persist in saying that I don’t believe the germ theory exists? Do you lack skills in certain areas of communication?
    Well I have an impediment which is stuttering – “I believe that the germ theory is flawed,I believe that the germ theory is flawed, I believe that the germ theory is flawed, I believe that the germ theory is flawed, I believe that the …………

  • Avoice

    You would! It has to do with the level of asshole that you are…you are of the special kind…..your poor poor diddum children….injecting them with toxic sludge and the. Bragging about it. You will see one day what you have done to your precious children…you will see!

  • Trina

    I was disabled by the twinrix vaccine six years ago. Doctors denied it was the vaccine despite that I was in excellent health before the vaccine and my demise came quickly following; so my adverse reaction will never be included in the count. I have three kids. Because I was a brainwashed sheep prior to my own experience, it never occurred to me to research vaccines or that my kids might suffer harm from them. My older kids were both vaccinated according to the schedule. They both went on to be plagued by ear infections, mumps, eczema, food allergies, learning disability and autism spectrum disorder, chronic nosebleeds and more. My third child had the benefit of me researching each vaccine individually. I used independent sources. I refused to accept any study pushed by doctors, gov’t, or pharmaceutical companies because they are profiting from vaccines and therefore, they are not credible sources. I decided to not subject my youngest child to any vaccines whatsoever. What followed was a curious absence of ear infections, a curious absence of skin disorders, asthma, learning problems, eczema, nosebleeds, or need for antibiotics. Quite literally, my unvaxxed child is by far the healthiest of us all. Anyone who blindly follows what their government and medical establishment tells them is a fool. I was one once and now I have awakened to the truth. If you feel the need to defend vaccines, you are either a profiteer, or so incredibly brainwashed, there is no hope for you. We refuse plastic blinds in our babies’ nurseries, but we inject them with formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, monkey virus, aborted fetus tissue, and other toxic and potentially contaminated substances…directly into their bloodstream, bypassing all of the body’s natural defenses. Tell me exactly how this is safe? Tell me exactly how any parent in their right mind would do this to their infant? They wouldn’t unless they are brainwashes. Pure and simple.

  • Ted Kuntz

    I am the parent of a vaccine damaged child. After my son developed an uncontrolled seizure disorder following his DPT-P shot at five months of age, I spent 10 years researching the medical literature to better understand vaccine damage. I was amazed by just how much information exists in medical journals on vaccine damage and how little attention this information receives from the media.

    The most disturbing realization from my extensive research was that NO vaccine has successfully passed a long term clinical trial where a vaccinated group is compared with an unvaccinated control group to prove either safety or effectiveness.

    Any claims of safety and effectiveness is not substantiated by long term clinical trials. I reached the conclusion that vaccines are more faith based than science based.

    The best way to silence vaccine advocates is to ask them to produce citations for long term clinical trials that compare a vaccinated population with an unvaccinated population. Their silence says it all.

  • chrisalien

    check this out. Or wont you bother to read it!

    http://www.thedailysheeple.com/pro-vaccination-propaganda-is-backfiring-study-shows_032014

    ..washed up osteopath….typical pro vaccine religious ideologue.

    still shaking that thing??

  • Victoria

    How do YOU know about coffee enema’s? Interesting.

  • Guest

    Exactly

  • Victoria

    True

  • Victoria

    So your a new parent? People are just trying to help you here. To inform you of the risks? Why do you think “the risks” won’t touch you or your kids? What makes you more special?
    Once vaccinated ; you can never un vaccinate- damage is done.
    Every person who receives a vaccine; might as well consider them selves “vaccine injured”. It can happen immidiatly or days or months or even years down the road.
    If I knew what I know now 20 years ago; (when I was a new parent), things would be a LOT different today.
    So don’t get so offended…these people are only trying to help you. By the end of it all, I bet they wish they didn’t bother cause your slightly offensive and defensive.

  • Victoria

    I know you want the best for your kids… I hope you make the right choices. Go onto the internet and listen and hear ‘the truth’ from the people themselves. Wouldn’t you rather learn from others then learn the hard way- experiencing it for yourself?

  • Victoria

    Believe me… they are probably wishing they hadn’t wasted their time and energy on you !

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Your information is incorrect and typical of antivaxx scare tactics. Vaccines are NOT injected directly into the blood stream, they are injected into the muscle where they disperse over a period of time by uptake by cells. If you actually bother reading any credible sources you will note that mercury has not been used in vaccines for quite some time (here in Australia over 20 years). the amount of aluminium is miniscule compared to the dietry accumulation (yes even breastmilk has far more aluminium than the a vaccine), the same with formaldehyde, there is far more formaldehyde obtained from diet than a vaccine (you had better not eat any pears then if you are worried about formaldehyde…its choc full of them)….aborted fetal tissue was used intially 50 to 60 years ago to create teh first cell line. They have never been used since Current vaccines do not use them. Yes some parts are cultured on some animal derived components, on the surface to create the cell line, but you do not receive the DNA of the animal or any other scare nonsense fed by the antivaxx propaganda. If you have ‘researched’ as widely as you claim you would know this. You call me brainwashed, have a look at yourself. I have some significant doubts to your story.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Read it and cnfirmed my suspeicions . Washed up osteopath who is a complelte joke…and how is this even a credible article?l

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Age of autism…do you guys even know how to widely research or do you stay skewed to one set of ideological propaganda?

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    There are few studies at present for vaccinated vs unvaccinated children for ethical reasons (in some cases you would have to subject each group to the viruses to make the point….that would be unethical to potentially make them seriously ill and also potentially deadly. Here is two studies however that have been done. One is broken down in an article, but the reference to the study is at the bottom for you to look up. These studies are alos recent as in having occurred in the past few years.

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00036846.2011.566203#.Uxup1yi1Pk0

    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/03/11/for-the-anti-vaccinationists-out-there-t/

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Really Jim Bob? Spreading more of your shill misinformation and lies, again?

    Vaccine Truth, (my video)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yRmGkw_DWg

    Prof. Boyd Haley Debates and Disputes Paul Offit’s Vaccines Claims
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7XEW2XHwIg​

    Vaccines are a complete FRAUD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRNFoHOsaw0

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    And are you telling me so called Jim Bob, that the CDC never cherry picks their studies? Are you telling me that they never refuse to consider the now existing bulwark of studies that show us what adverse effect vaccines have really had, and the connections as well to autism?

    Here is a little independent and unbiased science for you.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-vaccine-damage—science.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-unbiased-vaccine-science-and-data.html

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    REDACTED VACCINE DEATH FORENSICS REPORT
    Baby M’s Parents,
    http://www.vacfacts.info/baby-ms-parents-vaccine-death-forensics-report.html

    The CDC Claimed To Epidemiological Safety Studies – Verses – The Independent Physiological Vaccine Safety Science
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-cdc-claimed-to-epidemiological-safety-studies-ndash-verses-ndash-the-independent-physiological-vaccine-safety-science.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    That guy with his tongue hanging out, and you; what do you have for any real science to back up your claims, here? The CDC says? Is that your science? WE have all the science? Where? They only looked at the MMR vaccine and Thimerosal; and those epidemiological studies were nothing but junk science; here is the proof and with a complete analysis of those 14 chosen population studies. All of them had flawed study designs, use of unreliable data; obvious predetermined outcomes unsupported by the evidence, and large conflicts of interest in the funding of the studies.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-cdc-claimed-to-epidemiological-safety-studies-ndash-verses-ndash-the-independent-physiological-vaccine-safety-science.html

    New Junk Science Study – No link between ‘too many vaccines’ and autism risk
    http://www.vacfacts.info/new-junk-science-study—no-link-between-too-many-vaccines-and-autism-risk.html

  • Ted Kuntz

    We are subjected to these viruses already. Isn’t that the point why vaccine advocates recommend getting the vaccine? The point of the research would be to discern whether the vaccinated children are healthier than unvaccinated children over the long term.

    The ever present exposure is no more unethical for the unvaccinated children than the vaccinated children.

    The question is whether vaccinating children is ethical given the lack of controlled long term studies to prove safety and effectiveness.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Are your kidding, when it has been estimated that now 1 in 6 vaccinated children in the US have a developmental
    disability? You come up with this kind of literal junk science. In this below study of yours they only looked at children up to two years of age. What would that ever really tell you? And you actualy believe this kind of obvious junk science?

    Abstract

    We use data from the Cebu Longitudinal Health and Nutrition Survey (CLHNS) in the Philippines to link vaccination in the first 2 years of life with later physical and cognitive development in children. We use propensity score matching to estimate the causal effect of vaccination on child development. We find no effect of vaccination on later height or weight, but full childhood vaccination for measles, polio, Tuberculosis (TB), Diphtheria, Pertussis and Tetanus (DPT) significantly increases cognitive test scores relative to matched children who received no vaccinations. The size of the effect is large, raising test scores, on average, by about half an SD.

    We have data on six vaccines, measles, polio, tuberculosis (TB), diphtheria, pertussis,

    and tetanus. We consider vaccination status at age two years. For measles and TB vaccination,

    one dose of vaccine is required. For polio immunization, children should receive three doses of

    In this study, we concentrate on the benefits of vaccination conditional on survival to the follow-up survey, this allows our effects to be regarded as additional to the mortality reduction effects.

    [In "Methods"; all you find a a twisted lot of nonsense that would actually conclude nothing much at all.]

    The Effect of Vaccination on Children’s Physical and Cognitive Development in the Philippines

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/pgda/WorkingPapers/2011/PGDA_WP_69.pdf

    And your second submission is nothing but an article again trashing Wakefield, the Kriggs study, and etc etc.; by one denialist of all truth information blogger (no science there), David Gorski; and as if that blog carries any credibility to it at all.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    As a fact all vaccines that use aborted fetal cells in their manufacture and production, are clearly appearing to be contaminated by that process. These preliminary studies and the data on this page, the CDC should start taking very seriously. In fact vaccine contamination in general is something that has never been taken seriously, but definitely needs to be. Vaccine contamination is one the vaccine industries dirty little secrets, and they do know that; and as well as the CDC and FDA. There is absolutely no known step process that can ever actually clean up live vaccines, and there is no guarantee that inactivation of killed/attentuated will as well result in an actually safe vaccine. You come onto this website as if you have all the answers, but I guarantee you, you are clueless, and most likely by choice. The real vaccine truth is there, if you want to learn it.

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Vaccine Contamination
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-contamination.html

  • Heather James

    General practice doctors in the US either hold an MD or a DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). Osteopaths have a somewhat different focus than MD’s, but that’s about the only difference. Both have “proper medical education”.

    When they safety test vaccines, they generally test them against older vaccines for the same disease, or against “placebos” that contain all the components of the vaccine, except the supposedly “active” part.

  • Heather James

    Hearing loss is better than autistic….or dead from a vaccine reaction, like one of my husband’s adoptive brothers. Btw, the courts have acknowledged that vaccines can cause encephalopathy, resulting in, among other things, autism.

    But, honestly, you begin to sound like a paid troll.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    False discreditation will get you no where. Dr Tenpenny’s work speaks for itself. http://drtenpenny.com/home/

    There clearly exist literally thousands of vaccine injured children, and the number of vaccines and vaccine doses give, are doing far more harm than good.

    I seen you earlier promoted that injection of vaccine substances such as aluminum, were in small amounts and you make comparison to vaccine ingredients being insignificant in comparison to dietary consumption of similar substances; as if they were one and the same. They are not and that to be claimed would be in pathology and biologically impossible to be the same thing; nor does any of that follow even the same routes of elimination.

    Slow CCL2-dependent translocation of biopersistent particles from muscle to brain

    Conclusion

    Nanomaterials can be transported by monocyte-lineage cells to DLNs, blood and spleen, and, similarly to HIV, may use CCL2-dependent mechanisms to penetrate the brain. This occurs at a very low rate in normal conditions explaining good overall tolerance of alum despite its strong neurotoxic potential. However, continuously escalating doses of this poorly biodegradable adjuvant in the population may become insidiously unsafe, especially in the case of overimmunization or immature/altered blood brain barrier or high constitutive CCL-2 production.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23557144
    http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/99

    How much aluminum circulating in the human blood, in combination with the immune complexes produced by vaccines, would be enough to cause blood slugding and coagulation? How about in the fine end microvascular territories of the brain? What happens as well when that minute lack of blood flow and oxygen create lesion on the cranial nerves? Aluminum is a coagulant in any form of liquid. Is that a problem? Oh yes, it surely is.

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    09 Andrew Moulden En 07 de 11
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hUOVChsJ9w

    Vaccine Caused Ischemic/Hypoxia
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-caused-ischemiahypoxia.html

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Again, false discreditation, without providing any substance in regard to refute of the actual information, is literally worthless here. Such reply comments are a waste of the readers time here to even bother reading any such falsely attacking reply. When you can not respond to the actual information, you simply and falsely attack the credibility of the source. How credible is the CDC spokesman, Paul Offit? Lets find out?

    Prof. Boyd Haley, Debates the Vaccine Claims of Paul Offit
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7XEW2XHwIg​

  • Lou

    “Vaccines are NOT injected directly into the blood stream, they are
    injected into the muscle where they disperse over a period of time by uptake by cells.”

    Well Sir you have it almost correct. What happens is the IM injection forms a depot in the muscle and releases the drug into the blood stream. There is very little uptake by cells other than those bathed by the blood stream.

    Both IV and IM injections result in SYSTEMIC whole body distribution of the drug. A “vaccine” injected IM will just take a little longer to harm you. LOL

  • Lou

    “As I have said there is a lot of deliberately misleading information out there.”

    Yes Sir You are certainly an authority on deliberately misleading information.

  • Lou

    For anyone undecided about the “wonders of vaccination” I suggest a dozen or so hours of study on “our greatest vaccine success” the “wonderful polio vaccine”

    Let us sum up the “Polio Vaccine” Disaster

    “People from states receiving high-SV40 OPV now get osteosarcoma tumors at ten times the rate of those with SV40-free lot numbers.17″

    “WOW what a bio-weapon this “wonderful polio vaccine” turned out to be.”

    The “diphtheria and pertussis vaccines” were used to drive up the occurrences of polio.

    Rockefeller Labs developed a new super virulent (25% paralysis) strain of the polio virus

    “Vaccination” and antibiotics, then new medical modalities, promote polio

    Tonsillectomies. very big after the war, promote polio All this caused the incidence of serious paralytic polio to skyrocket

    This caused a demand to “do something” about polio

    Next a “polio vaccine” was made with monkey kidneys known by some people to contain SV-40

    Doctor Bernice Eddy of NIH warned that SV-40 caused cancer in primates. She lost her research lab and research position. Those in charge of NIH silenced Doctor Eddy. Why?.

    The “cancer causing polio vaccine” was injected into hundreds of millions of poor trusting souls

    Fathers who were “vaccinated” passed the SV-40 to their offspring

    These offspring passed the SV-40 to their offspring

    These offspring passed the SV-40 to their offspring

    Documents now conclusively prove that SV40 was never removed from the vaccine stocks after 1963… SV40 tainted seeds were never thrown away — they were used in OPV (oral polio vaccine) for millions of children for nearly four decades12.

    SV40 appears in 61% of all new cancer patients — including patients too young to have received the vaccine 40 years ago!13

    Nearly 70% of mesothelioma cases test positive for SV40.

    SV40 was found in 23% of blood samples and 45% of semen of normal individuals.14

    SV40 can be transmitted sexually and through blood transfusions.15

    Ten percent of those never exposed directly to tainted vaccines test SV40-positive.

    Lancet published clear evidence that tainted polio vaccine is responsible for nearly half of the 55,000 non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma cases per year.16

    People from states receiving high-SV40 OPV now get osteosarcoma tumors at ten times the rate of those with SV40-free lot numbers.17

    People from states receiving high-SV40 OPV now get osteosarcoma tumors at ten times the rate of those with SV40-free lot numbers.17

    At least 75 strains of the polio virus now exist compared to 3 before the “polio vaccine” era.

    These new strains of polio have resulted in MANY new diseases such as
    Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

    This is a TERRIBLE result of “vaccination”; we are creating new disease with the “vaccines”.

    Chilling News about the “Wonderful Polio Vaccine”

    The third generation after receiving the “cancer causing polio vaccine” by their
    grandparents is VERY likely to pass the PROVEN cancer causing SV-40 virus to their offspring ad infinitum. WOW what a bio-weapon this “wonderful polio vaccine”
    turned out to be.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_polio.htm

  • Mike L.

    Why am I not shocked that these are followers of propagandist frontman, Gorski. As I said, trolls out themselves. LOL

  • Mike L.

    I recall an episode when I was walking past a medical clinic and a pair of
    young adults were waiting outside, maybe for a ride or something. (he looked about 18 and she about 26) Anyway, the guy suddenly collapsed to the ground. I immediately went over as the young woman knelt down beside him. He looked unconscious, and so I offered to call for an ambulance. She replied, “Oh, don’t worry, I’m his sister and I’m a nurse.”
    I was worried and said he looked like he needed immediate attention. His eyelids then began to slightly flutter as he came to, but was very weak and disoriented. She then insisted, “No, really it’s okay. He ALWAYS blacks out a little bit after his flu shot. It’s JUST from being nervous. Nothing to worry about. He’ll be able to stand up in another five minutes.” My jaw dropped. I couldn’t believe this woman’s reaction, and told her she should clue in and realize it was a vaccine reaction and not just “nerves.” It’s bad enough that anyone would equate a black out and complete weakness POST vaccination to just being nervous, but when a so-called medical professional views her brother’s ANNUAL collapse to the flu shot as no big deal, well it just shows how commonplace brainwashing and stupidity is in the medical field when it comes to vaccination.

  • Jennifer

    Your “information” regarding aluminum is scientifically incorrect…

  • Lou

    “Lou graphs tell you very little.”

    Yes and my my eyes also, no?

    Sir you need to go back to disinfo school. This is a pathetic response.

    This graph tells me most everyone in this universe and also YOU Sir. “vaccination” had NOTHING to do with the drop in measles. over the centuries

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_pertussis2.gif.

  • del1974

    What rudeness!!!! You want sources……….
    How about the CDC re: Polio:
    “Approximately 72% of persons infected with polio will have no symptoms.
    About 24% of infected persons have minor symptoms, such as fever,
    fatigue, nausea, headache, flu-like symptoms, stiffness in the neck and
    back, and pain in the limbs, which often resolve completely. Fewer than
    1% of polio cases result in permanent paralysis of the limbs (usually
    the legs). Of those paralyzed, 5-10% die when the paralysis strikes the
    respiratory muscles. The death rate increases with increasing age.”
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/in-short-both.htm

  • del1974

    Oh, really? Sources please!!!! Back up your statements!!

    From Alan Cassel’s article,
    http://commonground.ca/2013/10/do-we-need-vaccines/

    “Six years ago, the British Medical Journal ran a contest asking readers
    to vote for what they thought was the most important public health
    advance in the last 150 years. Vaccines appeared on the ‘top 15 list’
    and the editorial proposing its inclusion cited polio, whooping cough
    and measles as three major diseases that have all been tamed by vaccine
    programs. Yet the advance people voted as #1, however, was not a medical
    innovation at all: it was toilets. Which is to say, advances in
    sanitation and the role of clean water in human health topped the list.”

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    So would you then be willing to subject yourself to a lab to be infected with a full strength virus in the name of research? We ask this question often and either never get an answer or get an outright no. If there were to be certain studies done regarding vaxxed vs unvaxxedkids that a lot of antivaxxers want that is exactly what would need to happen. How is that ethical?

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    In what way. Proof please.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    No, most antivaxxers have the misconception that it is injected ‘directly into the blood stream’ thinking it is an intravenous injection. If you understand substances and how the body works, what is not taken up by the cells to form immunity is excreted quite quickly by quite a few processes. Any that does enter into the blood is excreted quickly. Because of this process and the minute amount of the substances in vaccines any substance in the blood stream doesn’t circulate through the whole body (and is therefore not systemic) because it gets excrete before it has a chance to. And as I have already pointed out to you aluminium and all the other components that antivaxxers scare monger on are minute compared to dietary acquistion. Meanwhile the cells that have taken up the antigen are recognising and creating immunity To provide protection against diseases that can disable or kill you.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Please observe the example of sources favoured by antivaxxers. Sources such as ‘healthy protocols’ in this instance which is notoriously antivaxx and deliberatley falsified information to scare. Look to properly performed up to date research (these guys are quite incapable of this and have difficulty variating fro thier beloved scare rags like ;healthy protcols, Whaleto and Natural News et al). Ensure you have real information from proper sources, not propaganda. There is a lot of conspiracy theorism that has no foundation and assumptions that also are baseless and ahve no proof in the above posters speil.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    The blog has the citation for the article it is commenting on for you to look up. You can ignore the blog if you wish just look up the article. That was my point as I can’t at presnt find an online link to it.

    Junk Science Hahahaahaaaa! Oh I’m so not surprised. I can hear the indignation! Of course you can’t bring yourself to read a properly research article that isn’t assumptive like Healthy Protocols or Natural News.

    As I ahve stated there is not much research for Vaxxed Vs Unvaxxed due to the ethics of having to deliberately infect two groups of kids to prove a point. But then if you re willling to be exposed and infected to the full strength viruses in their natural form I am sure there are plenty of research scientists happy to hear from you!

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Your sources are completely unreliable and false. You really need to read properly on the production of vaccines. You ahve a clear misunderstanding of them and have swallowed a lot of misinformation.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    Yes I do like pointing out false and misleading info from forums such as this.

  • Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell

    I see a lot of very healthy and vaccinated kids. No issues at all. I think you will be waiting a long time to prove me wrong! I’m off to put some Dennis Leary on!

  • Jennifer

    I’m actually writing a very long paper on it right now… I hope to post it to my blog in the coming month. The answers are long and drawn out so I will not re-write it here. Check momathomescientist.wordpress.com at the end of March and it should be there.

  • EJD1

    I am a pediatrician and obviously believe strongly in the value of vaccinations. Unfortunately, I fear that until herd immunity begins to break down and children begin to die or become seriously ill from vaccine preventable illnesses, it is very difficult to persuade someone with strong anti-vaccination beliefs with even the most impressive scientific evidence. Lack of scientific understanding is part of the problem but other forces are at work.

    http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/02/vaccine-denial-psychology-backfire-effect

    http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/03/brendan-nyhan-backfire-effects-facts

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/denial-science-chris-mooney

    I am rethinking my approach.

  • Ted Kuntz

    I’m unclear why that would need to happen. That doesn’t happen with vaccinated children so why would one need to do that with unvaccinated child? Seems a poor rationale not to provide scientific evidence that vaccines are safe and effective.

  • Roxanne

    The Infanrix Hexa scandal is explosive not only for the vast range of serious problems elicited but because it is an internal document right from the horse’s mouth. The Belgium watchdog group Iniative Citoyenne (press release in French) got a hold of GSK’s confidential 1271 page report from 10/09-10/11 which detailed ***825 types of complications. In the chapters of this internal report were included: dozens of cases of ***FATALITIES, autism, sudden unexpected death (SIDS),
    encephelopathies, blood and lymph system disorders, eye disorders, gastrointestinal disorders, immune disorders, muscular skeletal and connective tissue disorders, nervous system disorders, respiratory and thoracic disorders, skin and subcutaneous disorders, and vascular disorders. France’s main medical journal admitted in 2011 that only ***1-10% of vaccine injuries gets reported. One can only wonder how many children have been the victims of this six-in-one vaccine and have visual, neurological and other disorders resulting from Infanrix Hexa and the subsequent censoring of its implications. Ask your local health “official” or pediatrician about this and see them invariably draw a blank. And these are the “professionals” in whom you are to place your unquestioning faith.

  • Roxanne

    It’s pathetic that you can even pull out of your hat that hackneyed
    ingestion = injection. Exposure to a substance via the digestive
    tract and via injection are in no way equivalent. To assert otherwise
    speaks volumes to your lack of scientific integrity and credibility.

  • Roxanne

    I look forward to reading it, but be forewarned that RSDEHE
    have no interest in anything that might cast a shadow of criticism on any aspect of vaccination. It is auto-pilot on
    their chopping block and immediately dismissed as “anti-vax
    propaganda.” One only need read their shallow off the cuff
    dismissal of articles offered by others and more importantly,
    their decree in their own submissions that vaccines have
    caused NO adverse reactions or death (even when product
    monographs etc. as flawed and limited as they are admit such) to know that you are dealing with folks who: SEE
    NO VACCINE HARM, HEAR NO VACCINE HARM, SPEAK
    NO VACCINE HARM…Good luck with your work. Are
    you familiar with scientist Chris Shaw?

  • Roxanne

    Fascinating how you accuse everyone else of the very thing that you
    are guilty of. When Lowell, for example, offers a link you dismiss it
    out of hand rather than specifically question given points in a civil
    exchange. You constantly speak of “anti-vax” propaganda never mind that the vast majority are raised or surrounded overwhelmingly by pro-vaccine propaganda through the schooling system, mass media, the medical system etc. Given the bias of
    such an environment, it’s hardly any wonder that most “anti-vaxers”
    were once pro-vaxers who were forced through vaccine injury to
    question what they never seriously questioned before.

  • Roxanne

    Well, you gave it a “shot” but failed. No where in this thread
    did I make any reference to coffee enemas let alone express
    any allegiance to them. You two, on the other hand, are infamous for saying that vaccines have caused “NO” as
    in zero affects on the population. Such total allegiance
    to the exclusion of even a modicum of skepticism regarding
    vaccines, reeks of blind faith.

  • Roxanne

    Pharmacheutical companies don’t have to “pay off every doctor”, they are part of a system of monopoly medicine from academia through the regulatory system which is dominated by industry influence. Most doctors are well
    meaning but dismally informed regarding the vast implications of vaccination. Others, some of whom I know personally, keep their misgiving regarding the vaccine
    modality to themselves for fear of professional repercussions. Are you going to naively deny, yet again, the power, politics and profit of the revolving door?!

  • Roxanne

    “They went through Africa, South America and elsewhere and vaccinated sick and starving children…They thought they were wiping out measles, but most of t hose susceptible to measles died from some other disease that they developed as a result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their immune levels and acted like infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis, etc. or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So there were very few susceptible infants LEFT alive to get measles. It’s one way to get good statistics. Kill all those that are susceptible which is what they literally did!”
    **Archie Kalokerinos MD, PhD, AMM, MBBS, FAPM

    “We are now witnessing a disaster in African countries caused by the older live virus polio vaccines that has now produced an epidemic of vaccine related polio, that is, polio caused by the vaccine itself. In fact, in some countries polio was not seen until the vaccines was introduced! The WHO and “vaccinologist experts” from this country now justify a continued polio vaccination program with this dangerous vaccine on the basis that now that they have created the epidemic polio they cannot stop the program. In a recent article it was pointed out that this is the most deranged reasoning since more vaccines will mean more vaccine related cases of polio.” J. T. Jacob, ‘A Developing Country Perspective on Vaccine-Associated Paralytic Poliomyelitis.’ WHO Bulletin 2004, 82:53-58

    “The IMA (Indian Medical Association) has a figure of 85,000- vaccine attributed polio victims – up to 2005… Doctors have been advised to keep quiet on these issues for the “greater good” of humanity. It is sad that no effort is being made to track, treat and compensate the unfortunate children. GAVI, UNICEF, Rotary and WHO do not reply to our emails making it plainly evident they aren’t the least bothered about the health of Indian children. Shame on those who wish to profit by killing and maiming little babies.” Dr. Omesh Bharati ‘Politics of Vaccination

  • Roxanne

    Hmm… There seemed to be no quandary re. “ethics” when it came to experimental vaccines used on U.S. soldiers or the other examples: “Even the Nazis didn’t run medical experiments on their own troops.” Col. David H. Hackworth (U.S. Army retired) commenting on the investigation: ‘Vaccine A…’ by Gary Matsumoto. **Also see ‘Secret Shots’ Target 5 Reports : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7M_TZpQiIY
    “Argentine authorities are exploring a possible link between the deaths of fourteen children and an experimental vaccine they were taking in a clinical trial run by GlaxoSmithKline…’They didn’t explain to the parents that this was an experimental vaccine, and a lot of parents who signed the consent forms were illiterate’ said Marchesse, a pediatrician.”
    Debora Rey, Seattle Times 8/14/08

    “Polish doctors and nurses are facing criminal prosecution after a number of homeless people died following medical trials for a vaccine to the H5N1 bird flu virus… Authorities claim that the alleged victims received twelve British pounds to be tested with what they thought was a conventional flu vaccine, but according to investigators was actually an anti-bird flu drug.” Matthew Day, The London Telegraph, 7/2/08

  • Roxanne

    Thimerosal is still used in flu shots and is an aspect of vaccine production. Moreover, thimerosal shots very much abound in the Third World where impoverished children are more susceptible to harm.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    I know what the Kriggs study shows when the correct interpretation is made from it, instead a twisted Gorski re-interpretation full of false speculation.

    I have been exposed to viruses unprotected for decades, as I have not had any vaccines in at least 43 years, and there are thousands of human beings alive on this earth that are of my age and also have had no vaccines, or have been very minimally vaccinated. So much for your theory of vaccine derived herd immunity protecting the population.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Why would you allow yourself to be photographed with a husband that has his tongue hanging out, and yet actually expect to be taken seriously? Are you a real couple; or just some shill with a faked account?

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    There are just loads of scientific studies on these two pages, that should be more than enough proof for you.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-vaccine-damage—science.html

    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!the-factsscience/cc2d

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Wrong. What I have is the independent unbiased science which shows clearly that the sources claiming that vaccines have been purified through purification steps, clearly contain nothing but false and misleading misinformation and that-that information is a flat out lie. You did not even bother to review it; quite obviously. Or if you did, you are still in denial about what those studies show.

    Additionally, we originally had this said vaccine contamination, with the earlier polio vaccine; when Merck failed to remove the cancer causing SV40 (green monkey) virus from the polio vaccines. Now unfortunately as well, society will never be rid of that virus; as it continued even today to spread through what is known as contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    More studies in the below page link.

    Scientific proof that the known cancer causing SV40 virus, a previous contaminant in the polio vaccine, is obviously either contagious; or the virus is still in the vaccine/s.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Quite obviously AoA has produced some very good analysis on all of the 14 top selected epidemiological studies. That analysis shows all of those studies be nothing but unreliable junk science. Use of unreliable population data. Flawed study designs. Obvious predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data. Large issues with conflict of interest in funding the said studies. All of that is outlined in these said analysis. That is some pretty good work; I think. Nails it on the head. Such deception regarding the safety of vaccines, should be considered a criminal act.

    Furthermore, all they looked at in any of those population studies was the MMR vaccine, and one single vaccine ingredient; Thimerosal. And then they concluded that they had looked at all the needed science; and that vaccines did not cause autism. How irresponsible can the so called mainstream vaccine scientific community get?

    A complete analysis of all of the main and larger epidemiological studies that they at the CDC, claim to showing no connection between Vaccines and ASD. Clearly those studies are unreliable, and they as well amount to nothing more than statistical junk science; based on flawed study designs, unreliable data, a high amount of bias; and funding by sources with an obvious and clear interest in not finding any connection.

    Part 1: Vaccines and Autism – What Do Epidemiological Studies Really Tell Us?
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/07/part-1-.html

    Part 2: Vaccines and Autism – What Do Epidemiological Studies Really Tell Us?
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/07/part-2-.html

    Another complete evaluation analysis of all the top Thimerosal studies, below.

    The Fallacy of Thimerosal Removal & Autism Increase: A Failure of Science, A Bigger Failure to Children Worldwide
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/03/the-fallacy-of-thimerosal-removal-autism-increase-a-failure-of-science-a-bigger-failure-to-children-.html

    The “14″ Studies
    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/studies.html

    The CDC Claimed To Epidemiological Safety Studies – Verses – The Independent Physiological Vaccine Safety Science
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-cdc-claimed-to-epidemiological-safety-studies-ndash-verses-ndash-the-independent-physiological-vaccine-safety-science.html

  • sabelmouse

    good points.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    You will NEVER get anywhere with that, as your own claimed to statements and tactics, clearly and always identify your agenda as one far less than truth. You simply refuse to accept any evidence whatsoever of the more harm than good done by vaccines. You talk about science as well; while your so full basket of science contains nothing but a misguided collection of epidemiologically based junk science. You don’t even have a clue, nor any ability to face the actual reality of the more harm than good, always done by vaccines.

    You could care less about the thousands of now vaccine injured children, while you tell your un-vaccinated pity pot story about your hearing loss. Your lucky you did not end up with full blown regressive autism like so many families now deal with, and full time care for that child for life.

    Excuse me if I have no sympathy for you; given your misguided agenda here, where you clearly want to subject thousands of more families to the same kinds of vaccine injury; just to avoid your hearing loss that in reality is actually a rare occurrence, comparatively. That actually is offending, and the existing poor and mislead diddum, is only you.

    But then you just go on believing the false information of such as the CDC, claiming that the chances of vaccine injury are only 1 in 1 million doses; and even in that one case that you can not prove it was a vaccine, or the vaccines. How irresponsible and in denial is that? Everything I promote is backed by science and studies. You can go ahead and face it, because that is a fact.

    Study: Evidence that Acetaminophen, Especially in Conjunction with Vaccines, is a Major Cause of Autism and Asthma
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/study-evidence-that-acetaminophen-especially-in-conjunction-with-vaccines-is-a-major-cause-of-autism-and-asthma/

    Glutathione, Tylenol, Vaccine Adverse Reactions, and ASD
    http://www.vacfacts.info/glutathione-tylenol-vaccine-adverse-reactions-and-asd.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    V. Thirty Years of Rapidly Decreasing Vaccination in Leicester, and its Teachings.
    http://www.vaclib.org/legal/MTstate/smallpox.pdf

    The real story of the covered up failure of the small pox vaccine.
    History Repeats Itself: Lessons Vaccinators Refuse to Learn, by Jennifer Craig, PhD
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/04/17/history-repeats-itself-lessons-the-vaccinationists-refuse-to-learn-by-jennifer-craig-phd/

    Compulsory Vaccination Killed More Than Smallpox
    http://nocompulsoryvaccination.com/2014/03/08/compulsory-vaccination-killed-more-than-smallpox/

    The Decline of Smallpox in Great Britain – Vaccination in Doubt. It includes a critique of Edward Jenner’s book and theories.
    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/articles/truth-about-decline-of-the-infectious-diseases.html

    Vaccines: Are They Safe and Effective? A Debate Between Prof. Boyd Haley, PhD chemist/biochemist and Paul Offit
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7XEW2XHwIg​

    A Pox On Their Arrogance and Their Dark Motivations ~ by Shawn Siegel – See more at:
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/03/03/a-pox-on-their-arrogance-and-their-dark-motivations-by-shawn-siegel/

    Polio-like” Cluster in California Has Eerie Echoes
    By Dan Olmsted
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/02/polio-like-cluster-in-california-has-eerie-echoes.html

    The Age of Polio: How an Old Virus and New Toxins Triggered a Man-Made Epidemic
    By Dan Olmsted and Mark Blaxill
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/09/the-age-of-polio-how-an-old-virus-and-new-toxins-triggered-a-man-made-epidemic-1.html

    Pesticides and Polio: A Critique of Scientific Literature
    Biskind’s Warnings – DDT vs Polio
    http://www.westonaprice.org/environmental-toxins/pesticides-and-polio

    Perilous Pathways: Environmental Chemicals and Environmental Illness, A Major Role for Vitamin A
    http://www.westonaprice.org/environmental-toxins/perilous-pathways

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    This is why vaccines do not work well, and lack the efficacy that they are advertised to have. This is just a beginning phase as well in explaining why they are not safe to use; nor will they ever be.

    Your Immune System, How It Works And How Vaccines Damage It
    http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Your-Immune-System-How-It-Works-And-How-Vaccines-Damage-It

    How Do Vaccines Work? Immune Mechanisms and Consequences http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/component/option,com_crossjoomlaarticlemanager/Itemid,375/aid,1369/view,crossjoomlaarticlemanager/#sthash.rkJSugBv.dpuf

    Anatomy and Physiology of the Immune System, Part 4
    How pharmaceuticals destroy nature
    http://jonbarron.org/article/anatomy-and-physiology-immune-system-part-4#.UwH0pvldXbY

    Understanding immunity requires more than immunology
    http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v11/n7/full/ni0710-561.html

    7 Most Disgusting Ingredients Used to Make Vaccines
    http://www.fhfn.org/7-most-disgusting-ingredients-used-to-make-vaccines/​​

    The vaccination policy and the Code of Practice of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI): are they at odds?
    Lucija Tomljenovic, PhD
    http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf​

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Looks like in the alternative it is you Ray SarahDamien EwenHayden Ell, that in your denial better start wearing a tin foil hat to prevent any real understanding knowledge from entering your cranium? In your mind you present with that anyone that follows and finds the truth, has to be some sort of a paranoid conspiracy nutter. In your own refusal to accept the vaccine truth and real science; you have only and repeatedly proven your own large deficiency in doing and accepting the actual research that you should have. Nothing would be enough, now would it; and you will choose to remain exactly that mislead.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    1 in 6 now has a developmental disability. How do you explain that? Perhaps aluminum adjuvants? Overactivation of the brains microglia cells, and resulting levels of chronic brain inflammation? The same thing being found repeatedly in the brain of those that are suffering from autism, and especially regressive autism.
    You clearly will not find that occurrence in children that remain entirely unvaccinated. Wake up!

    The number of children with developmental disabilities has increased by 17% in 12 years, driven largely by big jumps in diagnoses for autism and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, research shows.

    More than 15% of school-age kids — about 10 million children — had a developmental disability in 2006-08, according to a study released Monday in the journal Pediatrics. That’s up from 12.8% in 1997-99.

    The study suggests that three or four children in a typical elementary school classroom have development disabilities. Some of the increase may be the result of the rise in premature birth, which leaves some babies with lasting impairments, says study author Sheree Boulet of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/story/health/story/2011/05/One-in-six-children-have-a-developmental-disability/47467520/1

    CDC: 1 In 6 Kids Have A Developmental Disability

    For the first time in over a decade the federal government is releasing new data on the number of children with developmental disabilities, reporting that diagnoses have grown significantly since the 1990s.

    About 1 in 6 U.S. children are diagnosed with a developmental disability, according to a new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published online in the journal Pediatrics Monday. That represents an increase of 17 percent between 1997 and 2008 alone.

    The rise was largely due to growth in cases of autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and the catch-all category of “other developmental delays,” according to Coleen Boyle, director of the National Center on Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities at the CDC, who led the study.

    http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2011/05/23/cdc-1-in-6/13146/

    Facts and Statistics

    1 percent of the population of children in the U.S. ages 3-17 have an autism spectrum disorder.1

    Prevalence is estimated at 1 in 88 births.2

    1 to 1.5 million Americans live with an autism spectrum disorder.3

    Fastest-growing developmental disability; 1,148% growth rate.4

    10 – 17 % annual growth.5

    $60 billion annual cost.6

    60% of costs are in adult services.7

    Cost of lifelong care can be reduced by 2/3 with early diagnosis and intervention.8

    In 10 years, the annual cost will be $200-400 billion.9

    1 percent of the adult population of the United Kingdom have an autism spectrum disorder.10

    The cost of autism over the lifespan is 3.2 million dollars per person.11

    Only 56% of students with autism finish high school.12

    The average per-pupil expenditure for educating a child with autism was estimated by SEEP to be over $18,000 in the 1999-2000 school year. This estimate was nearly three times the expenditure for a typical regular education student who did not receive special education services.13

    http://www.autism-society.org/about-autism/facts-and-statistics.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Gardasil vaccine destroys ovaries of 16-yr. old girl, causes infertility
    http://www.sott.net/article/266539-Gardasil-vaccine-destroys-ovaries-of-16-yr-old-girl-causes-infertility

    HPV vaccine cited in infertility case
    Wis. sisters say drug led to ovarian failure by age 16
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/11/hpv-vaccine-cited-in-infertility-case/?page=all

    WASHINGTON, April 10, 2013 – Gardasil, the vaccine for HPV (human papillomavirus), may not be as safe as backers claim.

    Judicial Watch announced it has received documents from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) revealing that its National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) has awarded $5,877,710 dollars to 49 victims in claims made against the highly controversial HPV (human papillomavirus) vaccines. To date 200 claims have been filed with VICP, with barely half adjudicated.

    “This new information from the government shows that the serious safety concerns about the use of Gardasil have been well-founded. Public health officials should stop pushing Gardasil on children.” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/stress-and-health-dr-lind/2013/apr/10/us-court-pays-6-million-gardasil-victims/

    VAERS has a known only 1 to 10% reporting factor, do the extrapolation math?

    HPV VACCINE VAERS REPORTS UP TO JAN 2014

    Description Total
    Disabled 1048
    Deaths 157
    Did Not Recover 6,653
    Abnormal Pap Smear 554
    Cervical Dysplasia 234
    Cervical Cancer 72
    Life Threatening 606
    Emergency Room 11,223
    Hospitalized 3,424
    Extended Hospital Stay 244
    Serious 4,557
    Adverse Events 33,311

    http://sanevax.org/

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Actually, if you check the unbiased independent information, there is a just a bit more to it. But don’t bother doing anything but accepting the biased and to much to lose, the truth be known information, that you have.

    The truth is that due to the vaccines, neither pertussis nor measles will ever be eradicated. That is because of vaccine shedding, even if brief, and as well continually waning immunity provides for no situation where any solid and real, herd immunity can ever be achieved. Then you can additionally add antigenic shift due to the vaccine, even if slight, can evade the benefit of a vaccine; especially in regard to pertussis. B parapertussis has now was well become the far more dominate pathogen, and B pertussis is the only pertussis antigen in the vaccine. Vaccine failure is the cause of these outbreaks, not under vaccination. The risks of the vaccine and undetermined benefits clearly make the vaccine not worth the risk of vaccine injury.

    Why Dr. Snyderman’s Whooping Cough Vaccine Rant is a Total SHAM…
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/08/24/the-real-scoop-on-california-whooping-cough–using-fear-and-prejudice-to-attack-vaccine-exemption.aspx

    Whooping Cough Outbreaks Are 10 Times More Deadly Because of the Vaccine
    http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-08-04/whooping-cough-outbreaks-are-10-times-more-deadly-because-of-the-vaccine/

    Whooping cough vaccine fades in pre-teens: study
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/us-whoopingcough-idUSBRE8320TM20120403

    Pertussis Pseudo-outbreak Linked to Specimens Contaminated by Bordetella pertussis DNA From Clinic Surfaces
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/18/us-whooping-cough-idUSTRE80H1KO20120118

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2012/01/11/peds.2011-1710

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    If you think that diet, elimination of sugar, and intestinal health as well has no positive effect on immune function; you are seriously uninformed and uneducated.

    HALLELUJAH DIET TESTIMONIES
    http://www.hacres.com/testimonies

    The Science of Cellular Health
    Worldwide Studies and Research

    The following is a list of important Clinical Studies that document the paramount importance of micronutrients and nutrition in maintaining optimum health.

    http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/NHC/researcharchive.html#cancer

    Chiropractic – Correcting Physiological Function and Strengthening Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/chiropractic—correcting-physiological-function-and-strengthening-immunity.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Really? No evidence anywhere, right? Take a look! And how about falsely accused SBS, the real causation being vaccines? Do pathology reports show you any evidence of the truth? They should?

    Al-Bayati MA. Analysis of causes that led to rib and skull fractures and intracranial bleeding in the case of the premature triplets
    Parneet, Sukhsaihaj, and Imaan. Medical Veritas; Vol. 5 (1): 1589-1609, 2008.
    http://www.medicalveritas.com/manAlbayati9.pdf

    Al-Bayati MA. Analysis of causes that led to baby Huda Sharif’s intracranial and retinal bleeding and fractures of the left humerus and the 7th rib. Medical Veritas; Vol. 6 (1), 1677-1991, 2009.
    http://www.toxi-health.com/babyhuda.pdf http://justiceforej.com/AlBayati-HudaSharif.pdf

    http://www.medicalveritas.com/AB3.pdf

    Al-Bayati MA. Analysis of causes that led to baby Jackie Ray’s developmental delay and intracranial bleeding.
    Medical Veritas; Vol. 5 (2), 2008.
    http://justiceforej.com/AlBayati-JackieRay.pdf

    Dr. Mohammad Ali Al-Bayati,
    PhD, DABT, DABVT
    Toxicologist & Pathologist Cases of Adverse Reactions to Vaccines Involving Children & Adults
    http://www.toxi-health.com/adversereactionstovaccines.html

    Dr. Mohammad Ali Al-Bayati,
    PhD, DABT, DABVT
    Toxicologist & Pathologist Medical-Legal Cases Involving Children, and Vaccines
    http://www.toxi-health.com/mlcchildren.html

    SBS cases falsely accused, Christina England
    Triad of Doubt – The Shaken Baby Syndrome
    http://parentsandcarersagainstinjustice.weebly.com/

    False Allegations of Child Abuse
    http://www.truthinjustice.org/child-abuse.htm

    Shaken Baby Syndrome or Vaccine Induced Encephalitis – Are Parents Being Falsely Accused?

    By Harold Buttram M.D. & Christina England

    Parneet, Sukhsaihaj, and Imaan were born at 30 weeks gestation via cesarean section and their weights were 1.31, 1.38, and 1.46 Kg, respectively. They suffered from respiratory acidosis, hypoglycemia, respiratory distress syndrome, sepsis, jaundice, gastroesophageal reflex, and anemia. They were discharged from the hospital at 42 days of age. The triplets were vaccinated with DTaP, IPV, Hib, and PCV vaccines at the age of 61 days in Imaan’s case and 75 days in Parneet and Sukhsaihaj’s case. At 15 days following vaccination, Parneet suffered from apnea, metabolic acidosis, seizures, infections, intracranial and retinal bleeding, and a skull fracture. Sukhsaihaj developed respiratory tract and eye infections, severe anemia, bleeding, and skull fracture. Imaan had severe anemia and a skull fracture. It was alleged that the babies’ injuries were caused by blunt trauma to the head. The parents were accused of causing the triplet’s injuries. The clinical data described in this report reveal that the triplet’s health problems were caused by vaccines. The severity of their injuries correlates with their hemoglobin levels at the time of vaccination. The subcutaneous and the intracranial bleeding resulted from protein and vitamin K deficiencies and infections. Severe anemia, vitamin K deficiency, and systemic infections are the likely causes of Parneet’s retinal bleeding. The skull fractures resulted from protein and vitamin K deficiencies. The severity of the fractures correlates with the severity of the protein and vitamin K deficiencies, the degree of the infection, and the level of the intracranial pressure.

    http://www.authorhouse.co.uk/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000432912

    Shaken Baby Syndrome, Abusive Head Trauma, and Actual Innocence: Getting It Right
    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2048374#captchaSection

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    If you think that diet, elimination of sugar, and intestinal health as well has no positive effect on immune function; you are seriously uninformed and uneducated.

    HALLELUJAH DIET TESTIMONIES
    http://www.hacres.com/testimonies

    The Science of Cellular Health
    Worldwide Studies and Research

    The following is a list of important Clinical Studies that document the paramount importance of micronutrients and nutrition in maintaining optimum health.

    http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/NHC/researcharchive.html#cancer

    Chiropractic – Correcting Physiological Function and Strengthening Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/chiropractic—correcting-physiological-function-and-strengthening-immunity.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Really? No evidence anywhere, right? Take a look! And how about falsely accused SBS, the real causation being vaccines? Do pathology reports show you any evidence of the truth? They should?

    Al-Bayati MA. Analysis of causes that led to rib and skull fractures and intracranial bleeding in the case of the premature triplets
    Parneet, Sukhsaihaj, and Imaan. Medical Veritas; Vol. 5 (1): 1589-1609, 2008.
    http://www.medicalveritas.com/manAlbayati9.pdf

    Al-Bayati MA. Analysis of causes that led to baby Huda Sharif’s intracranial and retinal bleeding and fractures of the left humerus and the 7th rib. Medical Veritas; Vol. 6 (1), 1677-1991, 2009.
    http://www.toxi-health.com/babyhuda.pdf http://justiceforej.com/AlBayati-HudaSharif.pdf

    http://www.medicalveritas.com/AB3.pdf

    Al-Bayati MA. Analysis of causes that led to baby Jackie Ray’s developmental delay and intracranial bleeding.
    Medical Veritas; Vol. 5 (2), 2008.
    http://justiceforej.com/AlBayati-JackieRay.pdf

    Dr. Mohammad Ali Al-Bayati,
    PhD, DABT, DABVT
    Toxicologist & Pathologist Cases of Adverse Reactions to Vaccines Involving Children & Adults
    http://www.toxi-health.com/adversereactionstovaccines.html

    Dr. Mohammad Ali Al-Bayati,
    PhD, DABT, DABVT
    Toxicologist & Pathologist Medical-Legal Cases Involving Children, and Vaccines
    http://www.toxi-health.com/mlcchildren.html

    SBS cases falsely accused, Christina England
    Triad of Doubt – The Shaken Baby Syndrome
    http://parentsandcarersagainstinjustice.weebly.com/

    False Allegations of Child Abuse
    http://www.truthinjustice.org/child-abuse.htm

    Shaken Baby Syndrome or Vaccine Induced Encephalitis – Are Parents Being Falsely Accused?

    By Harold Buttram M.D. & Christina England

    Parneet, Sukhsaihaj, and Imaan were born at 30 weeks gestation via cesarean section and their weights were 1.31, 1.38, and 1.46 Kg, respectively. They suffered from respiratory acidosis, hypoglycemia, respiratory distress syndrome, sepsis, jaundice, gastroesophageal reflex, and anemia. They were discharged from the hospital at 42 days of age. The triplets were vaccinated with DTaP, IPV, Hib, and PCV vaccines at the age of 61 days in Imaan’s case and 75 days in Parneet and Sukhsaihaj’s case. At 15 days following vaccination, Parneet suffered from apnea, metabolic acidosis, seizures, infections, intracranial and retinal bleeding, and a skull fracture. Sukhsaihaj developed respiratory tract and eye infections, severe anemia, bleeding, and skull fracture. Imaan had severe anemia and a skull fracture. It was alleged that the babies’ injuries were caused by blunt trauma to the head. The parents were accused of causing the triplet’s injuries. The clinical data described in this report reveal that the triplet’s health problems were caused by vaccines. The severity of their injuries correlates with their hemoglobin levels at the time of vaccination. The subcutaneous and the intracranial bleeding resulted from protein and vitamin K deficiencies and infections. Severe anemia, vitamin K deficiency, and systemic infections are the likely causes of Parneet’s retinal bleeding. The skull fractures resulted from protein and vitamin K deficiencies. The severity of the fractures correlates with the severity of the protein and vitamin K deficiencies, the degree of the infection, and the level of the intracranial pressure.

    http://www.authorhouse.co.uk/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000432912

    Shaken Baby Syndrome, Abusive Head Trauma, and Actual Innocence: Getting It Right
    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2048374#captchaSection

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    What do you exchange when you marry into the allopathic church of toxic and contaminated vaccine zealotry and false vaccine voodoo quackery? Apparently you gave up any use of your own ability to think for yourself and in the use if any common sense.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Actually the claims of this article are well substantiated. In consideration of the misleading information trash that the CDC and Paul Offit put forth, the level of hypocrisy meter here just went off the scales.

    Prof. Boyd Haley Debates and Disputes Paul Offit’s Vaccines Claims
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7XEW2XHwIg

    Dr. Paul Offit Misinforms and Fabricates the Truth on the Dangers of the Anti-Vaccine [Vaccine Truth] Movement
    http://www.vacfacts.info/dr-paul-offit-misinforms-and-fabricates-the-truth-on-the-dangers-of-the-anti-vaccine-vaccine-truth-movement.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Regarding, Wakefield. That actually IS an existing science based conclusion!
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    These are the children that recovered, and how they recovered, an example of.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/biomedical-treatment-in-autism-asd.html

  • EJD1

    Lowell, your unbiased independent information is my junk science and opinion pieces. (though thanks for citing one genuine scientific paper) And my science is your pharma- controlled conventional science written for greedy doctors (though the notion of pediatricians as controlled by money has always seemed ludicrous – one of the lowest paid areas of medicine). So sadly we have a cross-paradigm critique and there is no real way to bridge the gap. I will add that I consider it a luxury of herd immunity that we can even entertain your point of view. Herd immunity has clearly been achieved with regard to a number of childhood diseases and has saved many many lives. We completely disagree on how to keep children safe in this area. We can agree, however, that we both want children to be safe and live long healthy lives.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Really? I know how to research, and as well find well done analysis on your research, that exposes all of the top 14 epidemiological studies, as junk science. How many independent studies can you find here on these pages. And guess what, they are not the near to worthless epidemiological studies the likes of that you people promote; they are actual physiological studies regarding the harm of vaccines. http://www.vacfacts.info

    Ph.D. Scientist, Brian Hooker, calls the recent CDC vaccine and autism risk study “flawed”
    http://www.examiner.com/article/ph-d-scientist-calls-the-recent-cdc-vaccine-and-autism-risk-study-flawed

    Can We Trust the CDC Claim that There is No Link Between Vaccines and Autism? May 14, 2013

    Health Impact News Editor Comments:

    The CDC released a “new” study on “Good Friday” just before the Easter holiday weekend that supposedly showed there was no connection between vaccines and autism. One has to wonder on the timing of the announcement of this study, considering the fact that the CDC just released statistics about two weeks ago stating that the rate of autism among school children in the U.S. has now risen to one out of 50.

    So I contacted Dr. Brian Hooker and asked him to respond to this “new” study that the mainstream media is reporting has ended the vaccine-autism debate. According to Dr. Hooker, the study is not so new, as it is based on data from 2010 and is basically a rehash of a “fraudulent” study published then.

    Why did we ask Dr. Hooker to comment? There are probably very few people in the world who have spent as much time looking at CDC studies related to vaccines and autism as Dr. Hooker. Dr. Brian Hooker, a PhD scientist, has been fighting the CDC since 2004 in trying to get them to comply with Freedom of Information Acts to see the CDC research that supposedly shows there is no link between mercury in vaccines and autism. The CDC apparently believes they are above the law regarding the Freedom of Information Act, and have fought to withhold most of the information Dr. Hooker has requested. But as you will see from Dr. Hooker’s critique below, even what the CDC does publish and make public doesn’t amount to much of anything that will help us understand the problem of the rising rates of autism, let alone solve it.

    Here are Dr. Hooker’s comments on the CDC study just published in The Journal of Pediatrics.

    Read more:
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/can-we-trust-the-cdc-claim-that-there-is-no-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/

    http://www.bolenreport.com/Mark%20Geier/foiasuit3.htm

    New Junk Science Study – No link between ‘too many vaccines’ and autism risk
    http://www.vacfacts.info/new-junk-science-study—no-link-between-too-many-vaccines-and-autism-risk.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    I did not say that those articles were scientific nor peer reviewed studies. Those articles contain basic data only. On the other hand you can not and thus have a complete inability to produce any science at all to prove the over-all efficacy of either the pertussis or measles vaccine. So, you are only deluding yourself in the claim that you have the science. You do not.

    By the way vaccines are not a low paying nor the lowest paying area of medicine; and to claim to that is simply ludicrous. Compared to what?

    There is clear evidence that no such thing as vaccine derived herd immunity has been achieved, considering as well the number of outbreaks that have occurred in the vaccinated; and at times largely in the vaccinated. Data that as always is twisted and skewed in the favor of the further only fear mongering CDC, when it comes from them instead of a more independent source. They have avoided and refused to admit to the failure of the vaccine. But, of course you will just keep accepting only the misinformation you are fed.

    Dangers Associated With Vaccinations Have Been Withheld From Public For 30 Years. Here Are The Documents
    http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/03/01/dangers-associated-with-vaccinations-have-been-withheld-from-public-for-30-years-here-are-the-documents/

    NO AUTISM In Never-Vaccinated Children
    From Alan Cantwell MD
    From Philip Rudnick PhD
    http://www.rense.com/general85/cant.htm

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Why is this person copying my replies?

  • EJD1

    Lowell, As I mentioned in my first post, we are not going to agree and the evidence suggests that the harder I argue the more entrenched you will be in your position. We are done.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Why can you not then recognize your own level of bias, and the misinformation and dishonesty in that information, when you choose to and can put that microscope on anything but your own put forth information?

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    I suggest then that you write an article that meets your criteria, and submit it to this website? Perhaps it would get published.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Where is all the science and data, that you claim to? All I see here from you is mostly personal attack and biased innuendo?

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Just respond to the information in the first article titled, 6248 Permanent Injuries and 144 Deaths Following Gardasil HPV Vaccine: Coincidence or Scandal? All you ever do here is continually avoid debating directly the actual information. All you can ever offer is repeat false discreditation of a source, and that is not even worth the time of reading any such reply. Healthimpactnews is actually a good source of information. I think that the denial of that much vaccine harm done, should be considered a criminal act. What do you think that is; just acceptable collateral damage for the greater good? What greater good?

    As of November 2013 there have been 31,741 reported adverse reactions to the HPV vaccine, and the position of the Pharmaceutical companies which make the vaccine, as well as the Department of Health and Human Services which holds patents and profits on the vaccine, is that they are all a coincidence.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijwlo_NnPQc

  • sabelmouse

    weird!

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Scientific proof that the known cancer causing SV40 virus, a previous contaminant in the polio vaccine, is obviously either contagious; or the virus is still in the vaccine/s.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Nothing would be enough. Blatant and repeat denial of the vaccine harm done, should be considered a criminal act. Because your wondrous sources like the CDC, AAP, and Paul Offit did not inform you of it, it simply can not be true, right? So, why not simply continue to deny it. Of course.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Why should I be surprised that you couldn’t bring yourself to read these studies, and all the articles, studies, and data on the rest of this site?

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Prof. Boyd Haley Debates Paul Offit (on the vaccine issues)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7XEW2XHwIg

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Why should I be surprised that you couldn’t bring yourself to read these studies, and all the articles, studies, and data on the rest of this site?

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Prof. Boyd Haley Debates Paul Offit (on the vaccine issues)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7XEW2XHwIg

    Vaccine Truth, (you should really like this one)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yRmGkw_DWg

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Pfftt. NOPE, you fail again, and you fail again repeatedly, to conduct any form of an actual debate here and on the actual information in front of you. You are simply and intentionally wasting everyone’s time with your foolishness and repeatedly false discreditation. That is clearly the only agenda you have going on. That is all you people ever do and can do is to make denial, on top of more denial.

  • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

    Trolls do not debate information. They do nothing but find excuses to deny and falsely discredit all opposing information. If they are a pro-science advocate, they would present with matching and appropriate amounts of opposing science from their their own research. As you can see, that is not happening. They should be able to support their position with some relevant study science. That is clearly as well not happening. So, essentially these people falsely build themselves up with nothing to stand on, yet falsely discredit any science and data that get put their way and directly in front of them; or just ignore it all together.

  • Avoice

    You lie….unconscionable. You are a shill, there are absolutely no official study’s period on the unvaccinated vs vaccinated. If it ever becomes a choiceless policy to vax my child with horrific poison and dead things, I will move.
    The anti vax people have had more than enough of your lying rhetoric and bullying attitude.
    AGAIN, vax away…do what you will, that is completely your choice. Leave thise who refuse the propaganda pharma funded authority-less non vax people alone.
    You can throw up your endless links and meaningless pharma funded whatever, but we as a large group of people who know the lies, flawed science and deterioration of this generation of children will never concede to your harsh, up factual conjecture.
    It really is an equal platform these days, those who really know the truth no longer feel intimidated by your bully attitude and arrogance.

    For people sitting in confusion, do your own research.
    Listen to parents who tell their countless story’s of the day their vaccine damaged child was damaged.
    THINKTWICE.COM
    INSIDE VACCINES
    DR. SHERRY TENPENNEY
    WATCH…THE GREATER GOOD
    NVIC
    do your research…
    Formaldehyde
    Human Diploid ( aborted fetal cells)
    Thimerasol
    Monkey RNA
    Bovine
    Live virus
    Polysorbate
    MSG

    This is just a few of the known neurotoxins in a vaccine…ask yourself why…and then ask yourself HOW can aborted fetal cells injected into your baby be a source of life and health.
    You can not get life from a dead thing.
    Those who stand with any sort of faith, while you may be confounded to not support abortion or the murder of innocent children, you injecting them into your healthy baby will not produce any sort of benefit. It is a wicked industry and it is a wicked thing the pharma industry has perpetrated on unsuspecting people all across the world.
    Ray Sarah….you will never win this debate!

  • Avoice

    Who is “We”

  • AVoice

    No, most anti vaxxers don’t believe they are injected into the blood, we know these are intramuscular shots. Known neuro toxins whether administered into the blood or the muscle matters nothing…it is still injecting known neurotoxins directly into a child.
    Ray Sarah, you play us anti vaxxers off like were ignorant imbeciles….come on now, I think it’s obvious we are pretty intelligent and can think for ourselves.
    Hey, Ray Sarah, have you seen the study they came out with recently regarding the demographics of hose who choose not to vax….they classified us as educated, upper middle class.
    Every single one of your opinionated conjectures are just that, opinion. You aren’t a very good shill for your cause. Your just rude, arrogant and lying through your teeth.
    THINKTWICE .COM people…they have a comprehensive list of vax ingredients and a wealth of testimonials.
    Military testimonies too…
    I’ve seen so much vax damage I. My 20 years as a military wife, it is undeniable.
    My friend who is completely disabled for the rest of his life due to an anthrax vax, almost lost his life to aneurism, he fought it, it was from UK dr.s who helped win his case. So for life, he has complete pay at 100%, full medical and endless VA benefits. All because of anthrax…he won.

  • giacomo

    this is terrible research. statistics are being compared across populations in order to make statements about a preferred outcome. The writer of this article should be ashamed. if there is danger in vaccination, people who make up results to further their own anti-vaccination agenda are doing the world a grave disservice.

  • Avoice

    Ray Sarah….you lie again…
    I suppose the pope is lying to, he’s a part of this mass conspiracy right.
    50-60 yrs ago right? You suck at Google:)
    http://www.immunize.org/concerns/vaticandocument.htm

  • Avoice

    And for the fence sitters who are having a truly difficult time picking apart the two camps of belief.
    Which camp of belief benefits monetarily…..not the anti vax people. The ones pushing the vax are gaining monetarily. They have no authority, they lie and they are what is confounding you. They use fear.
    Don’t vax your child because they I still an uneasy feeling…don’t vax your child because it’s your child, your innate desire to protect that child and at the end of the day….think about it, think critically.
    Do you really wNt to inject your child with KNOWN neurotoxins and human DNA?
    Formaldehyde,
    Aluminum
    Mercury
    Monkey RNA
    Pig DNA
    Polysorbate
    MSG
    Come on, start looking at the ingredients, let’s finally talk about how unbelievable and horrific it is to inject any of the above I to a healthy living thing!
    http://www.immunize.org/concerns/vaticandocument.htm

  • Avoice

    Could you please Ray Sarah, point by point exactly, refute what I’ve said in this post. Please disprove each one line for line. Please show me where the cited ref is that states there is no monkey RNA…bovine DNA, human DNA, human diploid to be more exact aka aborted fetal cells. Formaldehyde, aluminum, thimerasol.
    Please discredit each web including THINKTWICE, inside vaccines, can you break down precisely where the myth is in a viewing of The Greatet good! and one more thing! can you please explain to me thoroughly, if vaccines and the increased vax schedule directly correlated to the decline of health among this generation! how do you explain when I was 10 in 1980 that we were scheduled 12 vaccines,my 8 year old now is scheduled for 69+ not including what they try to inject pregnant women.

  • Lava

    “…surveys of this kind are dismissed as being purely epidemiological….”
    So that’s the new epithet.
    First it’s anecdotal, then “correlation does not prove causation”, now it’s “merely epidemiological.”
    The same things, if you find them compelling, are personal accounts/testimony, a significant association, and solid proof.
    Food surveys are deemed scientific if it can be shown that vegetarianism is healthier. A survey only doesn’t prove anything if vaccines or fluoride is shown to be harmful.
    Just what is wrong with an epidemiological study?
    Is ANY study going to be scientifically acceptable?

  • Vax sceptic

    A recent study conducted by the CDC found that children who were vaccinated (but not fully) tend to come from homes run by poor, unmarried, badly educated mothers who trust their doctors, whereas children who were never vaccinated tend to come from homes where they are well-provided for, with married parents who possess a college degree and do not permit doctors to influence their vaccination decisions.
    [Fox, Maggie. "Reasons Differ for Unvaccination and Undervaccination of Children." Reuters. July 6, 2004.]A recent study conducted by the CDC found that children who were vaccinated (but not fully) tend to come from homes run by poor, unmarried, badly educated mothers who trust their doctors, whereas children who were never vaccinated tend to come from homes where they are well-provided for, with married parents who possess a college degree and do not permit doctors to influence their vaccination decisions.
    [Fox, Maggie. "Reasons Differ for Unvaccination and Undervaccination of Children." Reuters. July 6, 2004.]

  • Vax sceptic
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  • Vax sceptic

    A comprehensive vaccine ingredient list.
    http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccine-ingredients/

  • Ted Kuntz

    I followed your provided links above without success. The first link does not allow access to the actual article. It only provides a synopsis and thus one cannot evaluate the quality of the research. The second link is a highly biased commentary that refers to research comparing a vaccinated population with an unvaccinated population but once again there is no actual disclosure of the research design to determine whether it was a quality study or not.

    I think it is safe to assume that vaccine manufacturers would be eager to share their research results of safety and effectiveness were they available. The lack of this scientific evidence does not inspire trust.

  • Roxanne

    Thanks for raising the anthrax vaccine. Awarding winning
    investigative journalist Gary Matsumoto did a stunning expose on it in his book; ‘Vaccine A….’ When I sent RS…
    a link to another military victim who ended up with renal
    failure “thanks” to vaccines, they immediately dismissed it
    because the investigative TV report was posted on God forbid ‘youtube’. Vaccine apologists always come up with excuses to exonerate the poisoned needle.

  • Roxanne

    Hi EJDI, you state that you are concerned with ‘herd immunity’. Could you please explain why the broad population has not being victimized by Scarlet Fever given the absence of vaccine induced “herd immunity”? Could you also explain why Sweden’s annual death rate from pertussis
    has remained near zero after they stopped the pertussis vaccine decades back? You must also surely be aware that
    the number of vaccines over the last several decades has
    skyrocketed especially in the U.S. How did children decades ago and going much further back manage to cope
    and grow up with a handful of vaccines, some one, two or even none. How do children in developed countries with one third the vaccines (not necessarily mandatory) manage to cope in the absence of this growing list of injected antigens
    administered in the U.S.?

  • Loneranger

    Amen!

  • Shamrock

    Wow, I have to admit, I was really leaning towards vaccination believing the Dr.s and what I previously thought to be sound science.
    After spending more than an hour just reading the ingredient list, I am truly shocked that there is even two sides of the fence. I will never be vaccinating my baby again. I wish I had known this before now, I really don’t know by it never occurred to me to find out what exactly is contained in vaccines. I will be pasting this link everywhere I can find a place to paste it, I can’t believe I have allowd my Dr. To misinform me, cause me to make a decision based on fear and pressure. I have more to study up on, but just seeing this list of dangerous substances, I can’t be lent anyone would knowingly inject or argue the case for vaccines.

    http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccine-ingredients/

  • Lou

    “Is ANY study going to be scientifically acceptable?”

    Not for the people in BIG VACCINE INC and their friends in high places. They already KNOW the autism epidemic is mostly caused by their “vaccinations”. If autism is an acceptable “side effect” from “vaccination” for these true believers NOTHING will stop them from pushing their poison.

  • Lou

    “Meanwhile the cells that have taken up the antigen are recognising and creating immunity To provide protection against diseases that can disable or kill you.”

    Sir you have NO IDEA of how a “vaccine” is supposed to work do you?

    Please provide some documentation of your fairy tale.

  • Lou

    So I guess your fall back position is; to save us of course; the big guns of tyrannical “government” FORCE VACCINATING us ALL.

    Too bad Sir you a