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The Real Story Behind The Anti-Vaccine Billboards That Are Going Viral

An Indiana father discovered his efforts to honor the life of his lost vaccine-injured daughter were recently vandalized, when a billboard he ordered was thoughtlessly spray painted by two men. If these criminals knew the heartache this father has faced during his daughter’s 36-year battle with vaccine injuries, compassion and common sense would dictate that they would not have committed such a cruel, heartless act.

Jim O’Kelly, 74, with support from the new Anti-Vaccination League of America and others, has funded the display of seven billboards in northwestern Indiana, in hopes of informing parents of the truth about the medical and vaccination system in America. Many people are unaware that vaccine companies cannot be sued if a child suffers a vaccine injury or death from a vaccine. O’Kelly wants vaccine manufacturers and the government to “prove the vaccines save lives or repeal all mandatory laws.”

This travesty has been standard policy since 1986, when the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was passed by the US government. Families whose children are injured or killed by vaccines must take their case to a special court before the two-year statute of limitations expires. The emotional and financial costs are more than most families can bear. Over $2.5 billion dollars has been awarded to vaccine injury victims and their families, although, sadly, two out of three applicants are denied their requests. [1]

A Little Girl Lost

As part of his efforts to educate people about the risks of vaccines, O’Kelly has used the loss of his daughter, Cathy, to spread much-needed awareness about vaccine injuries and laws that favor pharmaceutical companies rather than families. In addition to the billboards on display, he has organized a vaccine-awareness group, the new Anti-Vaccination League of America. He is organizing similar outreach efforts in other states. He has also written letters to over 150 lawmakers in Indiana.

When Cathy was six years old, her parents took her to the pediatrician for a vaccine against smallpox, which had a reputation as a terrible disease. At this time, Cathy was healthy and lively. In the years following the vaccination, Cathy and her family endured many resulting struggles, challenges that are common to families whose child has suffered a vaccine injury.

In the 1970s, vaccine injuries were less commonly known to parents, as children received only a fraction of the 69 doses of vaccines recommended to children today by age 18 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). [2] In addition, parents did not have ready access to medical databases and other resources to research the dangers of vaccine ingredients. The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting system, commonly known as VAERS, had not yet been established.

Within a short time after receiving the smallpox vaccination, Cathy developed swelling in her knees, an affliction that puzzled doctors and plagued her for the rest of her life. She also developed a large lump and severe stiffness in her neck. For months, doctors were ignorant of Cathy’s vaccine injury, incorrectly blaming possible afflictions such as arthritis, lupus, and collagen disease.

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In the years that followed, Cathy’s parents disagreed with doctors about the cause of her swelling and stiffness and the safest treatment options for their beloved daughter. O’Kelly faced his own pain as a father when he was unable to relieve his daughter’s suffering caused by her vaccine injury.

Cathy’s vaccine injury later took away her ability to walk. She lost her marriage due to the debilitating effects she suffered from the smallpox vaccine, and her children were placed in another home. When she was hospitalized, doctors compromised her dignity, refusing to honor her requests, denying her the Bill of Rights they offer to patients during treatment.

Cathy’s whole life, until the day she died, was impacted by the adverse effects from her childhood vaccination.

What Most People Don’t Realize About The Vaccine Debate

There are several important, controversial issues involved in the emotionally charged subject of vaccination. To pharmaceutical companies, profits from vaccines are at stake, in amounts that most of us cannot fathom. The vaccine market in 2013 was estimated at $25 billion. [3] By 2016, revenues from vaccines are expected to reach $52 billion. [4]

Vaccine manufacturers are highly motivated to do anything to keep their vaccines popular with parents and government groups. These companies are counting on vaccines to replace lost profits from “patent expiries and weakened pipelines” in their other pharmaceutical divisions.

To pro-vaxers, this issue is about respecting their beliefs – their science – about the eradication of disease, which they are certain was due to the advent of vaccines. In their quest to promote vaccines, they often ignore the evidence that good hygiene, clean water, and better nutrition were the real saviors. Old diseases were also “eradicated” by giving them new names.

To our government, this issue has become a debate about mandatory vaccination versus individual choice. Many elected officials are unwilling to give up the powerful support they receive from pharmaceutical companies.

To parents like Jim O’Kelly, this issue is about preventing more children from suffering the devastating, lasting effects of vaccine reactions, which come in many forms, so children like Cathy are not sickened or killed from a “safe” vaccine.

Her father shared with us, speaking about the unethical practices by the government and vaccine manufacturers:

“My message is about them proving that vaccines save lives and prevent disease, not about repealing the no-liability law. I have no interest in doing that. Because there is no amount of money that can take the place of a lost child.

And I know that no one can prove that any vaccine ever saved one life or prevented one disease. That point needs to be emphasized. I understand what most people think when I say that, but it doesn’t matter, because the vaccine emperor wears no clothes. It is a colossal fraud. And somebody needs to do this. So I decided that I am somebody.”

Parents who believe in individual choice, parents whose child was injured or killed by a vaccine, and parents who have researched the dangerous ingredients in vaccines know that profits and the so-called, misnamed “greater good” are not more important the the health and well-being of their individual children.

What Can You Do To Protect Your Child?

A government amendment to the original, ineffective childhood vaccine safety act was supposed to “promote the development of childhood vaccines that result in fewer and less serious adverse reactions than those vaccines on the market on December 22, 1987.” [5] Sadly, this amendment has also been ineffective and largely ignored, as the number of children struggling with symptoms of autism, ADHD, autoimmune disorders, and allergies have reached epidemic proportions.

What can you do to help protect the life of your child?

To help prevent the devastating effects of vaccine injuries, those of us who have discovered the truth, hidden from us for decades by the groups who profit from vaccination policies, must share with others what we have learned. Please share this article with other parents.

Speak with your lawmakers, as O’Kelly has done, to let them know you do not support current vaccine laws or mandatory vaccination. Remind your government leaders that parents deserve choices about what is injected into their children’s bodies.

Most importantly, you must value your child’s health enough to research the vaccines they are scheduled to receive. Contrary to pharmaceutical-sponsored mainstream media, a vaccine is not the answer to better health.

You can encourage other parents to do their own research about vaccine ingredients, on this website and other sites not funded by pharmaceutical companies. For more information about the funding of often-trusted websites, you may wish to read Take Off the Billion-Dollar Blindfold.

Finally, you can offer your support to Jim and other parents who are facing the lifelong effects of vaccine injuries in the comment section below.

Conclusion

The government has enacted legislation to protect pharmaceutical companies from liability when children are injured or killed by vaccines. Amendments and related laws have failed to address the rising numbers of vaccine injuries and health disabilities our children are facing. These laws and vaccine mandates ignore the blatant evidence that proves vaccines are ineffective and dangerous.

We must do our own research to prevent more children from suffering vaccine injuries. We must support families who are living with a vaccine injury or have lost a child due to a vaccine.

With regard to his mission to help other families avoid the tragic losses he has faced, Jim O’Kelly shared, “If it takes one person away from the medical mafia, it will be worth it.”

 

To donate to Jim O’Kelly’s mission as he seeks to educate others about the risks of vaccines and create needed awareness to repeal laws that permit unsafe pharmaceutical products to be injected into our children, please visit his site, Building an Organization.

 

 

References

  1. http://www.nvic.org/injury-compensation/origihanlaw.aspx
  2. http://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/49-Doses-PosterB.pdf
  3. http://www.fiercevaccines.com/special-reports/top-5-vaccine-companies-revenue-2012
  4. http://centerforvaccineethicsandpolicy.net/2010/01/17/global-vaccines-revenues…
  5. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE…

 

Missy Fluegge
 

Missy Fluegge is the mom of three children who have taught her abundantly about life, more than she learned in over sixteen years of formal schooling. Her passions include mothering, teaching fine arts, researching and serving as a parent educator. Many years ago, she traded her nightstand for a bookshelf, which always holds at least a dozen books-in-progress, mostly non-fiction reads that support her fairytale notion of saving the world one person at a time.

  • Donald Monty

    How do you know the small pox vaccination caused her medical problems again? And why would you say smallpox “had a reputation as a terrible disease”? Do you believe it wasn’t a terrible disease?

  • sequence

    Brave man!

  • Jock Doubleday

    Friends, family, countrymen and countrywomen,

    Remember what they told us in high school about the polio vaccine? It was a lie.

    When Jonas Salk’s live polio vaccine wasn’t working to decrease cases of paralysis (in fact, it increased polio incidence), the medical community *changed the description* of the disease, calling the more minor cases of paralysis “meningitis,” so that it looked like the number of polio cases was diminishing.

    “There were 47,500 cases of non-polio paralysis reported in 2011, the same year India was declared “polio-free,” according to Dr. Vashisht and Dr. Puliyel. Further, the available data shows that the incidents tracked back to areas were doses of the polio vaccine were frequently administered. The national rate of NPAFP in India is 25-35 times the international average. So did polio vaccines trigger these new cases of paralysis? Related studies in India have already demonstrated that polio vaccines are the leading cause of polio paralysis.”
    http://www.infowars.com/paralysis-cases-spike-in-wake-of-bill-gates-polio-vaccination-effort-in-india/

    “India’s Polio Eradication Campaign in 2011 Caused 47,500 Cases of Vaccine-Induced Polio Paralysis”
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/28/polio-eradication-campaign.aspx

    “Bill Gates oral polio vaccine cripples 47,500”
    http://www.hangthebankers.com/bill-gates-oral-polio-vaccine-cripples-47500-children/

    Bill Gates is a servant of the Illuminati eugenicists and wants to depopulate the world by a minimum of 80% (6 billion or so). He has no wish whatsoever to heal the world. Sad business. Sad guy.

    The polio virus was never isolated, and there’s a good reason why. It doesn’t exist.

    “Polio” in the U.S. was not caused by a virus but largely by the pesticide *lead arsenate*, which was sprayed heavily on fruit orchards in the summer – which is why polio was called the “summer disease.” Other industrial pollutants contributed to a rise in so-called polio incidence.

    Polio incidence and mortality rates went up in most Massachusetts counties, sometimes by 600%, after introduction of Salk’s polio vaccine. To hide the increase, they changed the diagnosis of non-severe cases of polio to the diagnosis of “meningitis.” Therefore, cases of polio seemed to drop dramatically, and the vaccine was a “success.”

    The grand lie of the polio virus and the vaccine is elucidated by Janine Roberts:

    “Polio is a devastating disease; the preferred method for fighting it is vaccination. Yet there is a mass of historic evidence that suggests it is not caused by a virus but by industrial and agricultural pollution

    “During the first half of the 20th century infantile paralysis surged like a bush fire, moving from place to place, afflicting large numbers of children, but only in the industrialised West. Prior to these outbreaks it affected very few and was often called ‘palsy’. In the 19th century scientists gave it the name ‘poliomyelitis’, referring to the inflammation of the grey nerves of the spinal column in cases of paralysis. Poisonous metals were suspected of causing this disease, particularly lead, arsenic and mercury. In 1824 the English scientist John Cooke stated: ‘The fumes of these metals, or the receptance of them in solution into the stomach, often cause paralysis.’ 2

    “In 1878 the link between palsy and toxins was strengthened when Alfred Vulpian found that dogs dosed with lead suffered the same damage in their motor-neurone cells as found in the human victims of infantile paralysis.3 The Russian Popow discovered in 1883 that the same damage could be done with arsenic.4 This should have sent shockwaves through the medical establishment as the arsenic-based pesticide Paris Green had been widely used since 1870 to stop Codling moth caterpillars ruining apple crops. But strangely it didn’t.

    “In 1892 Paris Green was replaced in Massachusetts by the more toxic pesticide lead arsenate. Two years later the first recorded epidemic of infantile paralysis struck in Massachusetts’ neighbouring state of Vermont. The outbreak was investigated by Dr Charles Caverly, who reported that it was probably caused by a toxin rather than a micro-organism. Caverly said: ‘It usually occurred in families of more than one child, and as no efforts were made at isolation it was very certain it was non-contagious.’ 5

    “Lead arsenate rapidly became the principal pesticide used on fruit and berries throughout the industrial world. In 1907 calcium arsenate was introduced for use primarily on cotton crops and in cotton mills. A year later 69 healthy children suddenly fell paralytically ill in Massachusetts. They lived in a town with three cotton mills, and in settlements downstream from those mills. Nearby there were also orchards on which lead arsenates were almost certainly in use. They were also living only a short distance downstream from the location of the Vermont outbreak.

    “A further epidemic in Massachusetts in 1908 caused enormous public concern, but, despite the evidence that exposure to toxins might have been responsible, the investigating health officials overlooked the newly introduced pesticides; they thought them essential to their war against viruses and bacteria – and to the financial health of the agricultural industry. Thus, the children paralysed in Massachusetts were not treated with toxin antidotes to see if these would benefit them. Instead, parents were advised to keep their children clean while the scientists, distracted by the then brand new theory that all epidemics had to be caused by infectious germs, looked for the virus ‘responsible’.” – Janine Roberts (more at the link below)

    http://www.theecologist.org/investigations/health/268596/polio_the_virus_and_the_vaccine.html

    $38 million a year in bribes to M.D.s – by one pharmco alone. “In 2009, Merck released a 72-page document showing they paid doctors at least $18,810,495.52 – close to $19 million – in the third and fourth quarters of that year for medical doctors to speak favorably about their pills and vaccines.”
    http://vactruth.com/2012/08/28/pharma-admits-to-bribes/

    Have a look at the *documented* poisons in vaccines.
    http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm

    Polio and the Polio Vaccine
    http://whale.to/v/polio2.htm

    Genocide in Africa via the Oral Polio Vaccine
    http://whale.to/a/genocide_opv.html

    Science has never shown that vaccination prevents disease. so when we’re talking about “pro-vaccination science,” we’re talking about nothing. Anyone who researches this subject, as i have, finds this out.

    Here is my eBook detailing the medical community’s commitment to immunological fraud:

    “Into the Labyrinth: Discovering the Truth about Vaccination”
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=446054885449819&l=3783435bec

    “Anti-Science, Pro-Vaccine Vaccination Laws: One More Reason Americans Need the Second Amendment”
    http://waitingforvanek.blogspot.com/2015/04/anti-science-pro-vaccine-vaccination.html

    “Studies Prove Without Doubt That Unvaccinated Children Are Healthier Than Their Vaccinated Peers”
    http://circleofdocs.com/studies-prove-without-doubt-that-unvaccinated-children-are-healthier-than-their-vaccinated-peers/

    Once it is realized that Newtown was a staged event, as was 9/11, then the idea of eugenics comes to the fore, and we see that depopulation (murder) of most of the human inhabitants on the planet is the goal of the so-called “elite.”

    What are vaccines for? Look at the list of poisons in them (just read the package inserts) and you’ll figure it out.

    Sincerely,
    Jock

  • Donald Monty

    You can’t blame the WHO, U.S. government and BigPharma-they are all under alien control. If they don’t depopulate with vaccines they’ll have to use the “Death Ray”, and that would make earth uninhabitable for centuries. Bill Gates is really a bigfoot.

  • km

    Sadly, vaccine makers have no incentive to change their ways. They make huge profits but are totally protected from lawsuits because Congress granted them immunity in 1986. Families are paying for the damages vaccines are causing. If you want to change this, please sign this petition

    petitions.moveon.org/sign/repeal-immunity-for-drug
    facebook.com/pages/Repeal-The-National-Childhood-Vaccine-Injury-Act-of-1986/693229134132332

    Protect kids, not drug makers!The law is corrupt and immoral.

    Kindly pass this on to everyone you know. Together, hopefully, we can make a difference!

  • Capt Ron

    Agreed – A review of pertinent research (PubMed) and statistical data (CDC) related to adverse reactions following smallpox vaccination reveals that the symptomology the young girl displayed is totally inconsistent with decades of observations of reactions. “Post hoc ergo propter hoc”!

  • joejoe

    What a Moron, with nothing intelligent to say. Go call your boss and tell him to worry about Trump.

  • joejoe

    Yet another nonsensical series of questions from a shill.

  • Free People

    Excellent article. Despicable for pro-vaxassination criminals to paint over the billboard. Put cameras on the billboards and make the criminals pay. I don’t
    particularly care for bumper stickers but would like one of these on my vehicle.Of course the pro-vaxassination demons would probably harm the vehicle. Criminals in every respect, including the paid trolls on this site.

    In 1822, Edward Jenner, the notorious fake and quack, SUPPRESSED reports which indicated his concept wass causing more smallpox death than saving lives. However, truth is that compulsory smallpox vaccination was abandoned because more smallpox disease and deaths were caused by the vaccinations than there were cases of smallpox! In order to keep the people in the dark about the vaxassination experiment, a sleight of the hand trick was used to foster the claim that smallpox was eradicated by the vaccination practice. Everyone who had been vaccinated and who developed smallpox was then
    diagnosed as having ‘chicken pox’ instead… (same as what Vaxassination INC does today for instance with the polio vaccine, change the name of the disease to save the diabolical vaccine!) This is how the vaccine industry has been rolling since its inception. Trick the people using pure lies.

    Quack Jenner wasn’t even a doctor – he PURCHASED a doctor’s degree for 15 guneas. He killed his own son and another boy named Phipps at the ripe old age of 21 and 20, respectively, due to the numerous vaxassinations the quack inflicted on them. They both died of tuberculosis which HONEST doctors and scientists (back in the day..they’re ALL corrupt now) claimed was being spread by the cow pus filled smallpox vaxassination. VacLib.org has the scoop on this and much more.

    I do everything in my power to wake the indoctrinated up on the vaxassination experiment MYTH and agree 100% with Jim O’Kelly.“If it takes one person away from the medical mafia, it will be worth it.”– Jim O’Kelly

    Wake the flock up!

  • Doctor Jack

    There’s no question that vaccines are a major scourge and there’s no question that the symptom complexes they purport to protect against were and are actually caused by lack of sanitation, mal nutrition and poor environments. BUT, the fact remains that planet earth is and continues to become more contaminated from human activity and as human population continues to swell, contamination gets worse. Should the entire world and all it’s living plant and animal inhabitants suffer because mankind refuses to live within his/her biological adaptions and thus hold human reproduction within reasonable limits? It’s sad but it’s also necessary to cull the human herd with deceitful programs like vaccinations and contrived wars to lower the numbers and there are those who believe weather can be manipulated to the same ends.

    The One Worlders for the past century have been and are on a mission to check population and to make money. They make billions from vaccines and wars and decrease population counts and that’s their goal. They are only doing what they strongly believe is right for themselves and for the overall good of mankind. In fact they call it enlightened self interest. For those not smart enough to not fall for their deceitful programs and agendas, they get culled from the herd.

    If New World Order controlled governments declare war, let THEM do the fighting. Don’t join the military! If the NWO controlled pharmaceutical/medical/hospital industrial complex promote vaccines, don’t get vaccinated! Knowledge is power. Knowledge of how the world really works can exempt you/your loves ones from the tricks that deceive people into sacrificing themselves for “patriotism” or from “diseases” and other trumped up causes.

    About 80 to 90 per cent of medical services not only have no merit but are inimical to health. After heart disease and cancer, so called medical care is the number three cause of death in America. The medical approach is only good when it comes to accidents, injuries, emergencies, birth defects and some corrective surgeries. For everything else it’s false in theory and wrong in practice and you should avoid it like well like The Plague, which was caused by lack of sanitation, malnutrition and other poor living conditions and not fleas on rats. In order to not cause the dis eases that you’ve been brain washed into believing that you catch from other people and that “jump” from other species, you will have to improve your knowledge of what really causes dis ease. You will need to study nutrition and hygienic materials to research the real causes. In the last 25 years the fields of nutrition and practical physiology have really taken off. They are on their way to usurping medicine as the correct way to not cause dis ease in the first place and to maintain pristine health. People are gradually waking up to the fact that there’s no such thing as contagion, that dis eases are caused by contamination and that they have virtually one hundred per cent control over their own health since health is only caused by healthful living. Read the Ornish’s, the Campbell’s, the Barnard’s, the Esselstyn’s, the Diamond’s, the Graham’s, the Robbins’s, the Goldhamer’s, the Ranzi’s, the T.C. Fry’s, the Shelton’s, etc.

    Exempt yourself from the death traps the NWO wants the majority of mankind to fall into for the greater overall good of the world. They are looking to reduce the carrying load of earth and to profit from same and at your expense. While most people will fall into their traps, don’t let them do it to you.

  • URSULARICHES

    I do not know if people are dying a lot sooner but I do know that people are living without good health today. We need good health to take on the big satanic corporations and big government who are their slavish servants.

  • Donald Monty

    I was hoping Missy would respond. Are you Missy?

  • Donald Monty

    And you capitalized “moron”.

  • Madeleine Innocent

    Albert Einstein said, “No problem can be solved from the same consciousness that created it. Don’t go back to the doctors that caused the problems. Go see a homeopath or other natural therapist.

  • AutismDad

    Vaccine reactions/side effects “PUZZLE DOCTORS” WHAT? I thought doctors were smart…. my bad.

  • AutismDad

    In your Honour dog breath.

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    They lie…all MD’s that are co conspirators of this garbage are liars..they know that vaccines, GMO’s and pesticides all cause disease thus perpetuating more GREEN ….Doctors have taken the high road of GREEN…absolutely sickening.

  • Donald Monty

    Both of you should be banned for personal insults. Do you also believe Newtown and 9/11 were staged by the government? Betcha do!

  • guest

    Notice how sick and perverse the pro-vaccine trolls are online and in the physical? They can’t just con, lie, distract and misdirect people on comment boards, they now have to do the same on billboards. I’m sure these horrible people “CAN” sink much lower and I hope they do because there always a chance they will get stuck down there, never to resurface. I would call that karma.

    Someone on a board coined a new name for the pro-vaccine extremist, their hired trolls and their views: VAXASSINATION. VAXASSINATION THEOLOGY is based on the assumption that vaccines are safe and effective despite the fact that there is no proof —-NOR does this group of believers DEMAND proof. In their religion they embrace the word of their God-the CDC and like all religions because they are true believers (not the trolls-they are paid operatives) no proof is necessary nor will there ever be enough proof for them to see the light.

  • Lindaxox

    Not really because the drug companies control their learning so it’s become very narrow. They may be confused but they have to know, should know the harm they do especially with vaccines.

  • Lindaxox

    Thanks Jim for all that you do.

  • Marcus Jasso

    What a crock. Seriously. We all know vaccines are the greatest creation on Earth. Why do you think Americans are so healthy. Look around. No one is fat. Everyone is in great shape with plenty of energy to get them thru the day. Autism is under control. No one has cancer. No one gets the flu. Diabetes has been totally wiped off the face of the planet. Oh, and heart disease is next. And soon, we’ll have vaccines for smokers, blacks, Hispanics, Indians and Asians, stupid people, neurotics, gays, transsexuals, dorky people, fat folks, skinny folks, people who still read books. Damn you Kindle !! There will be vaccines to grow legs and arms. Eyeballs. Amazing !! I know where I’m putting my money… We’ll even have a vaccine for people who don’t vaccinate. And perhaps, in a perfect world, a vaccine for evil step mothers. Gimme a break, vaccines make the world go round. ; )

  • Your reap what you sow there, so called, Donald.

    You know what, Monty? If you can not grasp even as much within your mind that there are major unanswered questions in regard to 9/11, then what type sort of reality do you ever comprehend and understand? All only just a conspiracy theory, anything and everything that you can not deal with the reality of?

    9/11 And When Will Our Country Get A Real Investigation Into The Real Truth?
    http://www.vacfacts.info/911-and-when-will-our-country-get-a-real-investigation-into-the-real-truth.html

  • The hate within and the cold hearted actions of the pro-vaccine side is something that they have been conditioned to be part of as a process of the falsely fear mongering lies, and the misinformation regarding vaccines which is fed to the public, and which have been perpetrated since the very beginning of the use of vaccines. This is very informative article, indeed.

    We as well have a fairly new issue that has been in the informational circles recently, and this one is in regard to a very serious situation and as to the nature what currently goes on in regard to the attempted silencing of existing vaccine truth, and regarding the latest news and information now known regarding the harm of vaccines and much more in relationship to some very new findings as to what these vaccines are actually doing. This one is a potentially large piece of the puzzle that has been missing in regard to the understanding of the vaccine harm being done.

    All is a tin foil hat wack job conspiracy theory, right? The pro-vaccine side is right? Really, and despite zero studies that have ever shown the safety profile of the current CDC vaccine schedule; much more giving from 5 to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit. Look at the long list of vaccine ingredients, investigate the issue of vaccine contamination, and as well the isseu of SV40. We are not talking about only SV$); we are talking about a massive amount of existinfg and yet unresolved vaccine contamination. This is or can be complicated in regard to its physiological understanding of what goes on; but none the less, this is a bomb shell they want to be, never ever known. Think of their liability if this were to go viral in the major media? THEY WOULD BE, FINISHED!!! The END for them.

    Explosive The real reason Holistic Doctors are being killed and vanishing!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AaAGYocbnk&feature=youtu.be

    This is so extensive, that I am not even going to try and form this next section, into paragraphs.

    All in regard to putting forth the vaccine truth, is a tin foil hat wearing wack job conspiracy theory, right? The pro-vaccine side, is right? Despite zero studies that have ever shown the safety profile of the current CDC vaccine schedule; much more giving from 5 to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit. Investigate the issue of vaccine aluminum adjuvants and over activation of the brains microglia cells, and with resulting long term levels of brain inflammation. Dr Blaylock, retired neurosurgeon, is a good source for that. This said brain inflammation has been found in every autistic child they have ever looked at and have been able to study it in. Mercury, Thimerosal certainly is and was a serious issue when it was yet in many childhood vaccines; most of it has sincve been removed with the exception of the flu vaccines, and some of those containing mercury, are still given to pregnant women; which is clearly just another major vaccine attrocity. Look at the issue of vaccine caused blood sludging within the fine end microvascular territories of the brain, caused by the vaccine aluminum adjuvants, and as well the cytotoxic immune sytem stimulating effect of vaccines. Investigate the information and the work of the late, Dr andrew Moulden, for that. Look at the long list of vaccine ingredients, investigate the issue of vaccine contamination, and as well the issue of SV40 in the past polio vaccine. We are not talking about only SV40; we are talking about a massive amount of existing past and present and yet unresolved vaccine contamination. Look as well at the issue of Gardasil HPV/DNA contamination; found firmly attached to the aluminum adjuvant, by Dr Lee, in an of course independent lab; not an FDA lab. This is or can be complicated in regard to its physiological understanding of what all goes on here; but none the less, this is a bomb shell that they clearly want to be, and not never ever known by the public. Think of their liability factors, and if this were to go viral in the major media? THEY WOULD BE, FINISHED!!! The END for them. Six major corporations control the major media in the US. Big pharma as well controls all of the major media, and obviously what you recieve for information, and as well with their large amount of pharmaceutical industry advertising money which the said media is simply not going to go against, and thus literally bite the hand that feeds them. Not happening.

    Explosive The real reason Holistic Doctors are being killed and vanishing!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AaAGYocbnk&feature=youtu.be

    Holistic cancer treatment pioneer Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez dies suddenly; patients mourn the loss of a compassionate, innovative doctor who helped thousands heal from cancer
    http://www.naturalnews.com/050500_Dr_Nicholas_Gonzalez_unexpected_death_alternative_cancer_treatments.html

    Nicholas Gonzalez, M.D. – Scientifically No Polio Vaccine was Needed
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/nicholas-gonzalez-m-d-scientifically-no-polio-vaccine-was-needed/

    Chapter 9
    Nagalase: Friend and Foe?
    http://gcmaf.timsmithmd.com/book/chapter/52/

    Dr. Bradstreet, Nagalase, and the Viral Issue in Autism
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/dr-bradstreet-nagalase-and-the-viral-issue-in-autism.html

    GcMAF, nagalase and autism
    http://questioning-answers.blogspot.com/2012/12/gcmaf-nagalase-and-autism.html

    Clinical experience of integrative cancer immunotherapy with GcMAF.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23780980/

    3 Alternative Health Doctors Found Dead In the Last 2 Weeks After Run-Ins With The Feds
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/3-alternative-health-doctors-dead-run-ins-feds/

    Recent trend of doctor deaths raises concerns
    http://www.scrippsmedia.com/fox4now/news/Recent-trend-of-doctor-deaths-raises-concerns-311847991.html

    Is Dr. Sievers’ homicide tied to 2 other doctors’ deaths?
    http://www.nbc-2.com/story/29485995/is-dr-sievers-homicide-tied-to-2-recent-doctors-deaths#.VaH1d19Vikr

    Doctor murdered in home while family out of town, (Dr. Teresa Ann Sievers)
    http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/07/02/doctor-teresa-sievers-murdered-home-family-out-town

    Another Alternative Doctor Found Dead, Police Investigation Underway, (Dr. Teresa Ann Sievers)
    http://yournewswire.com/another-alternative-doctor-found-dead-police-investigation-underway/

    The Strange Story of Dr. Bradstreet, SB277, the FDA and the Struggle Against Mandatory Vaccinations

    Let me see if I got this right: a working doctor taking care of patients with autism, which his son also suffers from, decides to kill himself so he travels a hundred miles to some obscure little river in North Carolina where he somehow manages to shoot himself in the chest in a deep enough part of the river that it requires divers to locate the gun that drops out of his hand when he pulls the trigger. Did he swim out there and shoot himself? Was he in a canoe which disappeared after the fact? Did he wade out in the river and shoot himself and linger long enough to toss the weapon out in the deep water as he slumped to his death?

    Does anyone think any of those possibilities wouldn’t be laughed out of court were the local sheriff’s office to present them as the official story of what happened to Dr. Bradstreet?

    Or, does it make more sense that someone killed him and transported his body and the murder weapon to some lazy backwoods river a hundred miles away where a search for the missing doctor would never reach and then dumped his body and the murder weapon in such a shoddy way that it resurfaced and was found by some fisherman?

    Read more:
    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/06/27/the-strange-story-of-dr-bradstreet-sb277-the-fda-and-the-struggle-against-mandatory-vaccinations/

    Following Suspicious Deaths Of Three Doctors, Two More go Missing
    http://yournewswire.com/following-suspicious-deaths-of-three-doctors-two-more-go-missing/

  • Mrs Chattles

    We are loosing our God given natural liberties.
    I believe All these vaccinations are a farce and completely unnecessary, the so called “cure” for humanity is far worse than any of these illnesses, the measles, chicken pox, mumps, rubella even whooping cough are all natural childhood diseases meant to strengthen our children’s immune systems and they do for life – and so does kids playing mud pies in the dirt, running around barefoot, climbing trees. New Babies didn’t get or die from whooping cough because Mothers of old had had the disease themselves as a child and their breast milk protected them.
    It was extremely rare for kids to die from natural childhood illnesses, and I had never heard of any at least not in my time during the 50’s and 60’s. We were never vaccinated nor were my 7 children who are healthy and as for going to a doctor that was also a rare occasion and a last resort.
    Today people are running to the doctors with their kids every day. .Have we swapped all the old natural illnesses for the modern day unnatural one’s?
    Like all the various and unusual cancers in children, autism, ADHD, SIDS, fatal allergies, Asperger’s syndrome, neurological disorders which are so common now but virtually unheard of in children 50 years ago.
    People like Jim O’Kelly trusted the system and believed in the government, he only ever wanted the best for his child as all caring parents do, and he lost her because of the system.
    What will it take for ordinary people to simply question and do some research? We don’t know and medical science doesn’t know why some children are injured or die – nor do we know the long term effects of these toxins injected into vulnerable children – for the future generations.
    The deaths and injuries to any precious child from vaccines should never be swept under the carpet. It is immoral and unethical and has to be accountable.

  • guest

    Remarkable information!

  • Donald Monty

    Lowell, how much food have you stored up for the end times?

  • Capt Ron

    “God given natural liberties”… WHICH god?

    http://www.godchecker.com/

    Greek?
    Roman?
    Norse?
    Egyptian?
    Aztec?
    Inca?
    Maya?
    Hindu?
    African?
    Chinese?

    My personal favorite is the African god SHANGO:

    “SHANGO leads a full red-blooded life and likes to party. He is in great demand as a drummer and his dancing talents cause severe outbreaks of funkiness wherever perpetrated.”

    OH – You probably mean the CHRISTIAN god. In this world today, more people believe in some other god(s) which may or may not have granted “natural liberties”.

  • Mrs Meets

    Can anyone tell us what the chances of someone dying or becoming ill from the vaccinations are? Are they 1 in 10 1 in a million what are they? I know people who have gotten the vaccine and are just fine, and I know people who have not and they have passed away, or recovered from it. I feel sorry for anyone who has ever lost a child or a friend because they got any vaccines, but I also feel sorry for anyone who has ever lost a child or a friend because they did not get the vaccine. Life is what it is. I don’t like the government for the things they have said and done, but I don’t like spiders either.

  • Vesna Marks

    Couldn’t agree with you more!

  • Sounds like you need to start doing the independent research, and educate yourself. No can do that for you, but you. Currently the risks from the current CDC vaccine schedule and the number of vaccines being 49 doses of 14 vaccines by the age of 6, and with approximately 34 of those injected doses being injected in a child by the age of two; those risk clearly outweigh any possible benefit. The risk in regard to the counter effect producing chronic health conditions, vaccine injury, and as well autism. If you and/or anyone else thinks that they the vaccine promoters, have all the needed science showing that not to be true, then you do not have a clue what the independent studies, data, and the independent science has shown. You also do not have a clue regarding the high level, and actually the massive level of corruption that has existed and continues to exist within their circles of operation. Get on my facebook friends list and as well lets start sharing all the information that we have every day of the week, going on. You want the real information; then there is no reason that you can not acquire that. Vacfacts http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • I think it is clear that she means the God of creation; and so why do you attempt to confuse it all with a load of actually irrelevant trash like that; and what is the point to it?

  • Absolutely none, and you? We aren’t anywhere even near to the end times, yet. I don’t even worry about, as it will be what it will be. Its an interesting time in history to be alive, and with so much you can learn. It is unfortunate that you choose not to.

  • Capt Ron
  • guest

    It’s a roll of the dice who will be injured and who won’t. There is one pediatric article from 1958 called: ECZEMA VACCINATUM Audrey H. Reynolds,
    Howard A. Joos. http://pediatrics.aappublications(dot)org/content/22/2/259

    Abstract
    Nine cases of eczema vaccinatum are presented, including two fatalities. Seven were caused by contact of a child with eczema with a recently vaccinated sibling.

    Suddenly appearing umbilicated vesicles superimposed upon atopic eczema are almost diagnostic of eczema vaccinatum or eczema
    herpeticum. These do not occur with mere secondary bacterial infection.

    Hyperimmune vaccinal gamma-globulin is now available for specific therapy.

    Eczema vaccinatum is frequently iatrogenic and uniformly preventable.

    The following steps are recommended for prophylaxis:

    1) No child with atopic eczema or other skin disorder should be vaccinated.
    2) No child should be vaccinated if any member of his family has eczema or other skin disorder.

    3) Parents of children with eczema should be notified at the onset of the
    disease of the danger from vaccination contact.

    4) If a sibling of a child with atopic eczema is vaccinated, he must be completely separated from that child for at least 21 days. 5) Forms used by state and local health departments for parents’ consent to vaccination should include an appropriate warning of the contraindications.
    6) Eczema vaccinatum should be a reportable disease.

    7) Patients recently vaccinated must be excluded from pediatric wards
    containing patients with atopic eczema, other diseases of the skin, burns or healing surgical incisions.
    8) Vaccination may be recommended at 2 months of age, especially for babies from strongly allergic families.
    Received December 18, 1957. Accepted February 18, 1958.
    Copyright © 1958 by the American Academy of Pediatrics
    (This obviously was recommended when Doctors gave a rats as- about their patients)

    This kind of gives you the idea who may have a vaccine reaction. I know with my grandchildren my grandson experienced eczema, cradle cap and very smelly bowel movements for months after his vaccinations. The children’s ped convinced my daughter that my granddaughter would not experience the same thing but when cradle cap began to creep up the back of her neck that was it. No more vaccines. The Dr now tells my daughter it was probably the combined shots but she can get the vaccines in singles. This is a blatant lie just to plant in my daughter’s mind that her children absolutely need to be vaccinated. Once the vaccines stopped-they are healthier than when they were getting shots. So there is probably a genetic component in regards to who will & will not react. Also many family members have had episodes of eczema, peanut allergies and autism. Might be a good idea to began a dialogue with family. I look at eczema as a red flag.

  • guest

    I like them all and than some.

  • mark

    AH the American Dream! Realised at last, thank you, its all a matter of positive mental attitude!

  • Donald Monty

    I think there’s learning and then there’s brainwashing from crank websites, which is what happened to you.

  • mark

    VaxAssesNation, Feardum and Dumbocrazy

  • mark

    Welcome death! One more chance to come to terms with ghostliness of fearful irreverent existences

  • mark

    The Aegyptians mummified their deceased kings so they could remain on earth even if dead,…The Aymericans inversely do it all from the inside on babies, injecting alien matter within the newborn, fresh as they are from the gates of heaven and maternal abundance, giving no home for robust good health, malevolent towards life in abundance. The feardom and demoncrazies are heading towards being a medicated nation of 90% corpses retaining only the semblence of life but retaining earth existence via life support.

  • mark

    theres also steel trapp minds,.. nothing gets in, and minds like goethes that enter into everything entirely

  • mark

    In Obombman we trust?
    I bow to no man but myself?
    My Royal haughtiness?

  • Ron Roy

    Here’s the best site on the net. http://whale.to/vaccines.html

  • Jennifer Wirth

    No need for God…just check out the Bill of Rights…freedom of religion…she is talking about oyr protected liberties being tread upon and she is correct. Research..see what lawmakers are doing.

  • TellItAsIs99

    I support freedom of speech. Parents should not be coerced into injecting dangerous and controversial vaccines into their children by being prevented from enrolling their kids into tax payer funded schools.
    Big pharma funded test trials and financing to politicians, the FDA and medical advisory committees have created just another marketing group. Vaccines are not guaranteed to be either safe or effective and vaccine companies are protected from law suits by the 1986 Vaccine Injury Act. They know their vaccines cause harm and even death but don’t know which children are at risk; see the HRSA vaccine injury table list.
    A well nourished child with a healthy immune system will fight off most infectious diseases and in the rare case of measles the child will have life-time immunity after recovery without taking the risk of toxic vaccines some of which require later booster shots. Vaccines are a decision that must remain with the parents.
    Big pharma interests have also lead to other controversial deadly treatments drugs. The highly deadly mandatory clot-buster TPA drug given in the ER for a non-life threatening moderate ischemic stroke has a history of deadly failed test trials and controversial if any benefit modest benefit. Search: AAEM TPA position, The NNT TPA stroke, or in ER emergency blogs or http://www.stroketreatmentrisktpa.co.nf for the stroke TPA drug controversy.

  • 94Ford7.3turbodiesel

    I am convinced that vaccines are for eugenics(depopulation), not for preventing any disease. I think this is why they are forcing it on us.

  • Yes it is, and it contains more historical and real vaccine truth information; and as well in regard to the known and standard for profit pharma driven medical model, than the vaccine trolling shills, can ever handle. And they clearly know that. That is why they have and always will repeatedly and wrongfully attack that site; based on their false claims of lack of credibility, alone. Yet they can never answer to and nor address any piece of historically recorded information that is there on that site, ever. And why is that?. Because they simply can’t refute it. Real history, is history.

  • I can and will get you started on anything that I want to. Where you actually born from and originally, a monkey? Where did you come from; tell me? Everything that you see in front of you resulted from some big bang theory? Really? Even a monkey is smarter than to believe in the vaccine related misinformatiion that you have re-parroted and continue to put forth. As well do you and have you even begun to understand the battle between good and evil? No, of course not, and you have not evolved that far, and as you yet refuse to; and clearly you never will .

  • Remember to always walk in the light and the truth, and all is just another learning experience, from there on.

  • Your own brain washing is exactly what prevents any learning. It it your choice to learn, or to refuse to learn. Unfortunately in regard to vaccines the refusal to learn and to accept the vaccine truth; is currently causing a massive level of harm done to infants, children, and anyone vaccinated with the toxic and contaminated vaccines. You can refuse the truth all you want, but the truth of it all and the reality of vaccines, is now quite clearly, very real.

  • Go ahead and ask why not even one of the trolling vaccine shills has responded to this information? To much truth. And if they do, just realize the juvenile and in denial content of their replies.

  • Youtube has a lot of good information, as well. Take a look. The trolling vaccine shills are just scum bags that are paid off to do what they do; or they personally have a career related reasons to deny the vaccine truth, and every time they reply post.

    Vaccine Truth And Beyond The Misinformation Veil
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKrWc0k3ETM&feature=youtu.be

  • You are for whatever reasons that you have, nothing but hateful of the vaccine truth and reality, and obviously in my opinion, you are nothing but a mentally and as well morally and ethically defective piece of humanity. Why can not the vaccine manufacturers be sued for the vaccine harm and the injury that they have caused? Vaccines are the only product on earth that involves no and zero liability in regard to, and as to its production and use..

    http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data.html

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    This website is more accurately characteristics as vaclies.org

  • And that was the best you could do? How beyond pathetic. And done with a non existent link.

  • Donald Monty

    She asked specifically what the chances were of someone becoming ill or dying from vaccinations. Let’s assume 49 doses. 1 in 10? 1 in a million? What? You should be able to rattle that one right off, but you didn’t.

  • Donald Monty

    “Go ahead and ask why not even one of the trolling vaccine shills has responded to this information?”
    Because all you post is opinion pieces from wack job anti-vaccine sites maybe? But don’t feel bad. No one answered my questions on the first post either.

  • You people don’t know your history. What was life like before vaccines?

    The earliest medical writers described illnesses that included infectious diseases that impacted children. These included Hippocrates’ description of a mumps epidemic in the first book of the Epidemics; the descriptions by Celsus (1st Century, C.E.) of roundworms in children, pustules in young children, and apparently diphtheria; Oribasius’ 4th Century writings on infant rashes, cough, coryza, draining ears, and siriasis (inflammation of the brain); Aetius’ 6th Century discussion of fevers, eye inflammation, sneezing and catarrh, postdiphtheritic paralysis, and consumption of the spine; the works of Rhazes (~860– ~930), who distinguished smallpox from measles and noted the complications of these illnesses; and the 11th Century works of the prominent Arab physician Avicenna (Ibn Sina), who wrote on children’s illnesses including tetanus, cough and catarrh, aphthae, ear drainage, seiriasis, fevers, pustules, throat inflammation, worms and diarrhea (flux).

    The invention of printing in the mid-15th Century revived learning, and the first printed work on diseases of children was published in 1472 by the Italian Paolo Bagellardo, including chapters on many common infections, including tinea capitis, otorrhea, ear abscess, cough, rheumatism and diarrhea.

    The first English-language pediatric book was published in 1544 by Thomas Phaer, “The Boke of Chyldren” and included chapters on Aposteme of the brayne (meningitis), Scalles of the heed, Styfnesse of the lymmes, Bloodshoten eyes [Kawasaki disease?], Diseases in the eares, Canker in the mouth, Quynsye or swelling of throte, Coughe, Feblenesse of the stomacke and vomiting, Fluxe of the belly (diarrhea), Wormes, Small pockes and measels, Fevers, and Consumpcion (1, 2). In 1553 Giovanne P. Ingrassias (Italian) differentiated scarlet fever (rossalia) from measles (1). Hieronymus Mercurialis (Italian) in 1583 published a pediatric text that mentioned the King’s Evil (scrofulous glands) and included 10 chapters on worms.

    http://www.nature.com/pr/journal/v55/n1/full/pr200425a.html

    High infant mortality rates plagued communities throughout Europe until the beginning of the twentieth century. Even in the middle of the 1800s, a quarter of all babies born in many European countries died before their first birthday. At the start of the nineteenth century in France, less than one half of children lived to be ten years old. In Sweden as a whole, the infant mortality rate in the late 1700s was about twenty percent.

    http://www.understandingyourancestors.com/wea/death.aspx

  • Donald Monty

    From the site you linked:Why and when was the VICP created?

    In the early 1980s, news reports of serious side effects from the DTP (diphtheria, tetanus,

    pertussis) vaccine caused some to question the safety of the vaccine. Parents began filing

    many lawsuits against vaccine companies, doctors, and nurses. Some vaccine companies

    decided to stop making vaccines, which created vaccine shortages and threatened the

    Nation’s health.

    All of these problems led a group of doctors, public health organizations, vaccine companies

    and private citizens to encourage Congress to enact a new law to compensate those found to

    be injured by childhood vaccines. The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 (Public

    Law 99-660) created the VICP, which began on October 1, 1988.

    And also:From 2006 to 2014, over 2.5 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. according to the CDC. 2,975 claims were adjudicated by the Court for claims filed in this time period and of those 1,876 were compensated. This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed, 1 individual was compensated.

    Hey! We have an answer for Mrs. Meets-it”s 1 in a million!

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Oh Lowell ….If you look at my commenting history you can see just how many peer reviewed and sourced articles I have provided. My comment was about the nonexistent veracity of this website.

  • AutismDad

    Peer reviewed = garbage

  • AutismDad

    Hardly bozo. Newtown was an autistic vaccine injured child’s reaction to life as a victim and whose parents are forced to deal with.

  • ang

    Yeah well imagine a book printed now? We have all of those things, and ADHD, asthma, diabetes, depression,fibromyalgia, the list is damn endless. 1 in two I would say are on permanent medicaion? So you saying we healther than the romans were? And one instance of modern day medicine, women taken anitdepressants it actually increases their chances of horrific birth defects, by over 5 fold. Five fold increase. Yeah deaths in olden days, filthy water, rat infested houses…….. we dont have that anymore, yet 50% of us are chronically ill?

  • ang

    Life before vaccines? Do we really need 69 vaccines? I had chicken pox, never hurt me.
    And MMR vaccine has been proven to be a fake.

  • guest

    There is not one single study in existence that confirms that the decline in diseases and illness was due to the inoculation of any population. In fact the opposite.

    The main advances in combating disease over 200 years have been better food and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less overcrowded and better living conditions also contribute. This is also borne out in published peer reviewed research:
    -The questionable contribution of medical measures to the decline of mortality in the United States in the twentieth century“. McKinlay JB, McKinlay SM, Milbank Mem Fund Q Health Soc. 1977 Summer; 55(3): 405-28. http://www.columbia(dot)edu/itc/hs/pubhealth/rosner/g8965/client_edit/readings/week_2/mckinlay.pdf.
    -Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries Of Official Statistics:
    https://childhealthsafety(dot)wordpress.com/graphs/.

    -TETANUS is not a communicable illness.
    -Current studies have demonstrated that the pertussis vaccine causes pertussis in not only the person who receive it but that person is also contagious. The study also state that this is the reason there have been outbreaks of pertussis in highly vaccinated populations.

    -Measles vaccines causes measles. This is why there have been measles outbreaks in highly vaccinated population over the last 2 decades. Do a pubmed search. Start with this:
    *PLoS study: “Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination. China has one of the most vaccination compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? “The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However , the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/.

    Check the Measles Pink Book on the CDC’s website and it tells you that a large percentage of children who receive the vaccine are expected to develop measles which would make them contagious. The other half may not develop symptoms yet they carry a live virus in them and they are contagious. Vaccinated people are contagious. This applies to all live virus vaccines. Smallpox and Polio vaccines were halted because the CDC could no longer hide the fact the vaccines were causing outbreaks and they admitted so. In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts”)

    Attenuation is meaningless when it come to live viruses. Dr. Maurice Hilleman, who is considered the Father of Vaccines (Paul Offt’s God figure) states a minimum of 20% of people who receive a live virus vaccine will get sick. Attenuation, according to immunologist is never a sure thing because the viruses mutate constantly. It is unreliable and unpredictable.

    Medical professionals and historians knew as far back as the 1880’s that Sanitation eradicated diseases, not vaccines.
    -SANITATION, NOT VACCINATION THE TRUE Protection against
    Small-Pox: A Paper read before the Second International Congress of
    Anti- Vaccinators, held at Cologne, October 12, 1881, By WILLIAM TEBB.
    http://www.whale(dot)to/vaccine/tebb1.html
    -The Great Debate: Science, Sales or Superstition? A look at the vaccination controversy: http://www.vaclib(org)org/intro/debate5.htm
    -THE POISONED NEEDLE: Suppressed Facts About Vaccination
    By Eleanor McBean 1957: http://www.whale(dot)to/a/mcbean.html
    -PART II. DIPHTHERIA AND DIPHTHERIA IMMUNIZATION http://www.whale(dot)to/a/loat1.html.

    Vaccination Blunders the Government Doesn’t Want You to Know About:
    -Around 1872, with 98% of the population between ages 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, England experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak, with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. (The Hadwen Documents)
    – In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940. By 1945, diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don`t Get Stuck, Hannah Allen)
    – In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered that both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus, which causes cancer in animals, as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had received these vaccines. (Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555)
    – In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990)
    – In the UK, between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children. (Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK)
    – In the 1970`s a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (The Lancet 12/1/80 p73)
    – In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk, who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science
    4/4/77 “Abstracts” )
    – In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US revealed that more than half of
    the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. (The People`s Doctor, Dr R Mendelsohn)
    – In 1979, Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times! (BMJ 283:696-697, 1981)
    -The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine.
    – In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)
    – In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage. (The Lancet, 21/9/91)
    – In 1990, a UK survey involving 598 doctors revealed that over 50% of them refused to have the Hepatitis B vaccine despite belonging to the high risk group urged to be vaccinated. (British Med Jnl, 27/1/1990)
    – In the November 1990 issue of the Journal of the American Medical
    Association, an article on measles stated: “Although more than
    95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against
    measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools
    and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated
    children.” (JAMA, 21/11/90)
    – In the USA, from July 1990 to November 1993, the US Food and Drug
    Administration counted a total of 54,072 adverse reactions following vaccination. The FDA admitted that this number represented only 10% of the real total, because most doctors were refusing to report vaccine injuries. In other words, adverse reactions for this period exceeded half a million! (National Vaccine Information Centre, March 2, 1994)
    – In the New England Journal of Medicine, July 1994 issue, a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough, had been fully vaccinated.
    – On November 2nd, 2000, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) announced that its members voted at their 57th annual meeting in St Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single “no” vote.
    (Report by Michael Devitt) source: Death by vaccination.

    Death by Vaccine: http://articlesofhealth(dot)blogspot.com/2008/02/death-by-vaccine.html

  • What kind of a falsely fear mongering and entirely misleading load of complete crap is that, boballende? If you can’t do any better than that; you might as well not waste our time with even bothering to read such bularky.

    Vaccine Truth And Beyond The Misinformation Veil
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKrWc0k3ETM

  • Oh no identity, VikingAPRNCNP; I am knowing as a fact that I have more vaccine truth studies that show the real truth regarding the harm of vaccines, and the links to vaccine injury and autism; than you could ever even hope to provide, ever; and regarding the and your promotion of the lies regarding vaccine safety,

    Vacfacts
    http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • There is obviously no specific number available, as to the risk, and as you damned well know. No one is keeping track of that specific number. However, based on the existing and endless stories submitted by parents; the incidence of obviously vaccine caused death of infants, and as well the risk of vaccine injury to children, is known as significantly high enough to never in any rational mind, to be worth the risk of that outcome. You can falsely fear monger all you want, and make denial of it all; however that does not change the real life reality of that said situation.

  • How many times do you need to and have to prove yourself as being a completely blathering idiot? Get to specifically and directly addressing that information, or just shut your typing on your keyboard, pie hole. How obviously beyond lying and pathetic can you get. That is clearly not an opinion piece set of information, and that is real physiologically based human health care, science. Face it. It is some of the most damning information that has ever been in regard to the issue of vaccine safety. I actually think you know that, and yet you must of course, simply deny it.

  • You conveniently forgot to mention that 9,912 cases that were filed, were denied, and never received any compensation. That is not because those cases held no merit; but because this system is unfair, corrupt, and simply does not work to provide proper awarded compensation. Not than anyone can or ever should put a price on their child’s life and heath. Likely thousands more cases are and were never filed, and also considering that only about one forth of the cases filed ever get approved for payment.

    Excerpts: [Since 1988, over 16,038 claims have been filed with the VICP. Over that 27 year time period, 14,062 claims have been adjudicated, with 4,150 of these determined to be compensable, while 9,912 were dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is approximately $3.18 billion.]

    The true rate of vaccine injury and as well resulting autism is clearly much higher than the chances of it being only 1 chance in a million doses. There exist literally and obviously 1000’s of vaccine injured and harmed children in the US, alone.

  • ang

    Sorry billboards like this are ugly, dont try to educated the masses in this way…. you will never win, when Merck have bigger billboards…….. to the father, and everyone else, all we can do is make friends, and it is our friends who believe us…… start on-line discussion groups, anything, but not a bloody ugly billboard. Sympathies to the family………. But damn Zoloft killed my baby, I didnt put up a billboard………I try and read chat lines, comments, leave references, so people can judge for themselves………… IT IS NOT A DAMN WAR.

  • Donald Monty

    No, Lowell-it’s crap. That’s all you ever post. That and personal attacks.

  • Donald Monty

    It’s 1 in a million, Lowell, from your own reference.

  • Donald Monty

    How would you prove the shooter was vaccine-injured? Do you believe the 9/11 hijackers were vaccine injured also?

  • Al Mather

    You would think the. NWO evil illuminati overlords who are trying to depopulate the Earth with vaccines could come up with a more efficient plan than something that affects one out of every million they poison with them. Add in eradicating all those dis eases …they reall y didn’t think this one through.

  • Al Mather

    Actually accurate studies show just that…and because the decline in mortality is. So obvious and evident is the efficacy of vaccination it had to become the first big lie told by anti vaxxers.. Trying to convince everyone they are not seeing what they are seeing…

  • Donald Monty

    Lol

  • Donald Monty

    So you’re a fervent anti-vaxxer, but you can’t estimate the risk of a vaccine-related injury.

  • guest

    – Provide an INDEPENDENT double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

    -Please provide INDEPENDENT scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety
    and effectiveness of vaccines?

    -Please provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

    -Provide scientific justification on how bypassing the
    respiratory tract (or mucous membrane) is advantageous and how directly injecting viruses into the bloodstream enhances immune functioning and prevents
    future infections?

    -Provide INDEPENDENT scientific justification as to how injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to human health and prevents disease?

    – Provide a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the intended goal of preventing disease?

    -Please provide scientific justification on how a vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?

  • guest

    Please enlighten us with your wisdom. Step by step analysis of the lies.

  • Donald Monty

    I know, right? But we picked up chatter from the resistance that they’re stalling as they haven’t reached a consensus on the optimal female:male ratio after takeover. We haven’t been able to confirm that. Viva la resistance.

  • Al Mather

    Dude I’m not jumping through your list of idiot hoops to prove to you what the rational world (and it’s scientists, doctors, researchers , virologists, epidemiologist, etc ..etc) already demonstrate & accept as fact.. you will just have to try to access your uncrazy side and do your own jumping….. or not. I heartily say DON’T vaccinate.. or your spawn. Please.

  • Al Mather

    Once again Ang … your eloquent and concise commentary cuts through all the nonsense and sums up what all of us are thinking.

  • Al Mather

    If you listen to what is said in these forums by the AV crowd you would think the streets must be lined with the bodies of the vaccinated ( all according to the NWO overlords plans) and we would all know HUNDREDS of people and meet THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS during the course of our lives .. but reality is the average person does not know anyone vaccine damaged, will never meet anyone vaccine damaged, no one they know knows anyone vaccine damaged. THAT is a good place to start when attempting to judge the validity of the ” pro-vac vs. anti -vac ” argument. Whose rhetoric seems more reality based and aligns with what you see in your world around you?

  • AutismDad

    He could have been tested for vaccine injury bonehead. Instead so-called doctors/ psychiatrists followed their Big Pharma medical education and put him on mind drugs. Guess what? They not only didn’t help, it made the situation worse. Sound familiar with ALL shooters?

  • AutismDad

    Yea its hilarious how many clowns think peer reviewed is meaningful.

  • sabelmouse

    poverty/social injustice as well as ignorance about hygiene. have you seen how many people used to live? especially the poor!

  • sabelmouse

    what nonsense!

  • kc54

    For those suck-up-sheeples of the gov., believing vaccines are the way to go; please explain why the number of vaccines given to children and babies have more than doubled over the years, more injuries are being reported, crippling effects from various vaccines, SIDS, (this acronym is a scapegoat for vaccine injuries, I believe), and no injury lawsuits are allowed. If vaccines are so “safe” why is there a need to block compensation if there is an injury? What are they afraid of? (“if fire doesn’t burn…why would you need water to put it out?! ) On another note: for those of you who are fans of Big Pharma and FDA, etc…what do you think of the recent deaths of six mostly holistic doctors and several others missing? They were murdered. Some were against vaccines, and most at least, thought it prudent for the parents to be able to make the decision for their children of IF, When, and How Much their offspring would receive. One had his office ransacked by the FBI before his death. He was going to discuss findings re: vaccines before Congress, I had read.

  • kc54

    Merck had stopped using mercury and fetal cells in their vaccines several yeas ago, but since have begun using these in their vaccines again, as well as other poisons. What is wrong with stupid people who believe Big Daddy Government and all of its factions, are here to ‘protect and defend” you and your children? Obvious you are followers who are being led to slaughter, as you skip merrily on your way over the cliffs. TED TALKS with Bill Gates, plainly speaks of vaccines being good for population control. Go take a listen ye naysayers!

  • Al Mather

    Right.. like South America or Mexico where they haven’t had a case of polio in decades. Good thing they cleaned up their act down in Neza-Chalco-Itza and the Favela slums.

  • Donald Monty

    How would they have tested him for vaccine injury?

  • sabelmouse

    you seem to have trouble distinguishing periods.

  • Al Mather

    No trouble…
    “poverty/social injustice as well as ignorance about hygiene. have you seen how many people used to live? especially the poor!” you’d have to be a time traveler to have “seen” this.. but you can see all this and more in the aforementioned slums.. Still, certain diseases have been removed from the mix by the modern miracle of vaccination.

  • sabelmouse

    it’s not that hard to study history. and close to all measles deaths -3 are in 3rd world countries, despite vaccination.
    nothing has been removed.

  • rye

    Screw you, I’m an average person and several people in fam tree have issues with vaccines. After my niece had issues my brother told the doctors that if they vaccinated her newborn sister they’d sue the hospital if they forced the issue and his newborn had reactions. That worked for him, he knew because my mother remember him being partially paralyzed on one side after he got his shots altho it was luckily only temporary…for him. Non-related friend has had issues with vaccines, he lost use of an arm for a couple months after it atrophied. Someone else I know still has an indented circle on her arm where the flesh around a vaccine injection site never healed right afterwards. So maybe you shouldn’t pretend just because it may not come up in the average conversation reactions don’t happen. Many things don’t come up in conversation when somebody knows the person they’re talking to is rabid about a viewpoint they don’t agree with.

  • sabelmouse

    and here we see the vicious pro vaxxer in his full glory!

  • sabelmouse

    a lot of people seem to believe that without vaccines there’s be about a handful of people on the planet.

  • rye

    Additionally separating people you don’t agree with into “non-average” category is lazy thinking. Unless you’ve actually surveyed for yourself, you have no clue about what is average for a group or location. Something that is average for a specific racial or ethic group may very well not be average for the next one. A quick check of history shows that the gov doesn’t really hide the fact they’ve used vaccines to experiment on the poor and racial minorities when they think they can get away with it.

  • guest

    Dude
    Your troll deflection isn’t working here. Name calling—really? That’s your first indication you are a troll. Name calling is the last refuge of the out argued/debated. The remainder of your diatribe is to distract from the fact you can’t answer a single question nor do you have any substantiating information to support your position. Now, you will ask some ridiculous question, that will be answered BUT since this is also a troll tactic you will ask the question over and over and over in an attempt to frustrate. We’re been there, seen that and done that on this site. The biggest give away that you are a troll is your troll buddies always up-arrow their comrades. Try not to be so obvious.

  • Al Mather

    You are the nameless one who called me a troll, demanded 7 (5 of them totally nonsensical displaying a complete lack of understanding of how the we develops antibodies). Seems like the pot calling the kettle black.

  • Al Mather

    AV .. anti Vax

  • Donald Monty

    No, a country’s rate of vaccination is indirectly proportional to its numbers of measles cases. Most deaths from measles occur from dehydration and secondary bacterial pneumonia in countries that have poor health infrastructures, reducing access to necessary supportive care. Like 3rd world countries.

  • Al Mather
  • Al Mather

    More bemused than vicious.

  • sabelmouse

    not that comment.

  • sabelmouse

    occur in weakened and malnourished people/children. who are often vaccinated.

  • Donald Monty
  • Donald Monty

    And scientific method too, right? Especially germ theory! I mean, it’s just a “theory”, you know?

  • AutismDad

    Nice baiting. Do some research you ignorant clown.

  • Donald Monty

    I mean you said it, so how is that possible? A blood test? Some type of biopsy? What?

  • Donald Monty

    Disagreeing with ignorant, unscientific and potentially dangerous anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists is hardly refusal to learn, Lowell.

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    U a Trollovomit? Fact, vaccines have never eradicated anything, ever

    http://vactruth.com/2010/07/23/fact-vaccines-have-never-eradicated-anything-ever/

    Smoke, Mirrors, and the “Disappearance” Of Polio

    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/11/17/smoke-mirrors-and-the-disappearance-of-polio/

    Did Vaccines Really Eradicate Polio? by Suzanne Humphries, MD

    vaccinationcouncil.org

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/did-vaccines-really-eradicate-polio/

    http://www.vacfacts.info/

    http://vactruth.com/2015/07/05/cdc-made-polio-disappear/

    Harvard MD Immunologist-facts about
    transmission of nonvaccinatedhttps://alethonews.wordpress.com/2015/05/02/harvard-trained-immunologist-demolishes-california-legislation-that-terminates-vaccine-exemptions/

    Why Vaccination Continues

    by Guylaine Lanctot, M.D.

    http://www.tested.net/vaccines/lanctot.html

    The Media Uses These Powerful Tricks to Condition You to Accept Vaccines by
    Jeffry John Aufderheide at VacTruth.com

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/the-media-uses-these-powerful-tricks-to-condition-you-to-accept-vaccines/

    From a statistician the risk is actually almost none existent to the disease
    yet far more riskier with each shot. http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/the-vaccine-bubble-by-michael-belkin-pathways-to-family-wellness/#.Uo_dPH-9KK3

    Go to the FDA website, read the list of ingredients and their
    known side affects. Autism alone is listed as a known side affect in at least 3
    if not more vaccines. Learning disabilities is listed in others, seizures,
    death and many other symptoms are listed. Not a single vaccine is listed
    without a side affect so therefore can’t be considered 100% safe.

    Informed consent is
    the backbone of medical ethics. You have the right to say no. Doctors who
    assert that you do not have a choice about vaccines are violating this medical
    code of ethics.

    Increase in cancer
    risk..http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/03/18/vaccines-increase-cancer-risk.asp

    Doctors 3rd
    leading cause of death in world.. http://extension.oregonstate.edu/coos/sites/default/files/FFE/documents/us_health_care.pdf

    Vaccines warranted obsolete in prevention

    http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/03/15/the-doctor-who-beat-the-british-general-medical-council-by-proving-that-vaccines-arent-necessary-to-achieve-health/

    Vaccines linked to exploding
    autoimmune epidemic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FCJ_VPyns&feature=youtu.be

    Future vaccine manufacturing
    enterprises involving food. http://www.phillymag.com/citified/2015/03/23/scientists-are-growing-vaccine-laced-lettuce-at-pennovation/

    http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/118

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24620624

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23557271

    Repercussions in animal population – http://modernnotion.com/koalas-have-chlamydia-but-thats-not-whats-killing-them/

    Coming your way…300 experimental GMO
    vaccines.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtWZbIILsbs

    How big pharma manipulates you https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

    Donations to lawmakers in CA to
    mandate vaccines http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article24913978.html

    http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Epidemic-Corporate-Coercive-Government/dp/1620872129

    Vaccines in Cats caused cancer http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3658838/

    Humans exposure to vet vaccines
    sequela http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/37/3/407.full

    Autism Thorson fraud link http://deathbyvaccination.com/

    Lepto link…a whole generation of
    autoimmune and disease links.. http://www.thedogplace.org/VACCINES/Leptomania-10052-Jordan.asp

    http://findoutwhocares.org/

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2015/05/02/harvard-trained-immunologist-demolishes-california-legislation-that-terminates-vaccine-exemptions/

    http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/christianity-and-the-false-god-of-modern-medicine/

    Gates dumps live polio
    virus/Eugenics http://naturalsociety.com/glaxosmithkline-dumps-45-litres-polio-virus-river/

  • guest

    Dr.Bradstreet Search Warrant: the promising drug GcMAF was their target!!
    https://www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=0v3IA2Hj1TA

    Dr. Bradstreet Search Warrant.
    http://scienceblogs(dot)com/insolence/files/2015/07/BradstreetSearchWarrant.pdf

    The drug GcMAF is the first item that is listed on the warrant. Other items on the warrant- names, contact, patients names & addresses and so forth. They were looking for everyone this man every spoke to or came in contact with.

  • Al Mather

    Homeopathy heals…official statistics………………….AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!
    Pseudoscientific cranks laugh at homeopathy! Sugar pills and water for the gullible! LOL!

  • Michael McCarthy

    wow, that was some kind of gish gallop flung at you. You forgot citing whale.to. That clown is absolutely certifiable.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Whale.to
    http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/07/27/how-urban-legends-get-started/

  • guest

    None of these apply to the question asked of you. The citations that resemble studies are epidemiological studies, others are reports. Below is the breakdown/conclusions:

    -A Research Agenda for Malaria Eradication: Vaccines
    http://journals.plos(dot)org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1000398#s7
    Conclusions
    Vaccines CAN play a key role in multisectoral efforts to eliminate and eventually eradicate malaria. Current efforts to develop malaria vaccines are primarily focused on reducing infection rates, blocking replication of the parasite in the bloodstream, and the pathologic effects of the parasite in individuals, thereby reducing malaria morbidity and mortality in vaccinated individuals. Some of these vaccines, IF HIGHLY EFFECTIVE, MAY also reduce transmission. These efforts need continued support.

    -Assessment of the efficacy and effectiveness of influenza vaccines in healthy children: systematic review
    Interpretation http://www.sciencedirect(dot)com/science/article/pii/S0140673605179847

    Influenza vaccines (especially two-dose live attenuated vaccines) are efficacious in children older than 2 years. Efficacy and effectiveness of the vaccines differed strikingly. ONLY TWO SMALL studies assessed the effects of influenza vaccines on hospital admissions and no studies assessed reductions in mortality, serious complications, and community transmission of influenza. If influenza immunization in children is to be recommended as public-health policy, large-scale studies assessing such important outcomes and undertaking direct comparisons of vaccines are urgently needed.

    -Measles Vaccines and the Potential for Worldwide Eradication of Measles http://pediatrics(dot)aappublications.org/content/114/4/1065.short
    INDUSTRY Insiders who work for the CDC, pharma and the WHO. Conflict of Interest up the wahzoo.

    I’ll match your industry insider and raise you one with a more independent industry insider:
    ******The measles vaccine has failed, he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Poland sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues. This is unexpected and a worrisome harbinger — measles outbreaks are occurring where they are least expected,” he wrote in his 2012 paper, listing the “surprising numbers of cases occurring in persons who previously received one or even two documented doses of measles-containing vaccine.” During the 1989-1991 U.S. outbreaks, 20% to 40% of those affected had received one to two doses. In a 2011 outbreak in Canada, “over 50% of the 98 individuals had received two doses of measles vaccine.”
    Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/
    http://business.financialpost (dot) com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/

    -Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.
    Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons.
    Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
    Conclusion: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Because of the failure rate of the vaccine and the unique transmissibility of the measles virus, the currently available measles vaccine, used in a single-dose strategy, is unlikely to completely eliminate measles. The long-term success of a two-dose strategy to eliminate measles remains to be determined. http://archinte.jamanetwork (dot) com/article.aspx?articleid=619215
    Dr. Gregory Poland is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. Poland is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.

    “Measles To Be Eradicated in 1967 With 55% Vaccine Coverage” STILL WAITING
    On 1st November 1966 US Government vaccine experts announced momentously to the world in a paper presented to the American Public Health Associations meeting in San Francisco, November 1,1966 that measles was to be eradicated in 1967 and just 55% vaccine coverage would do the trick. You can read it for yourself here in this formally published paper by those experts: EPIDEMIOLOGIC BASIS FOR ERADICATION OF MEASLES IN 1967.

    With the isolation of the measles virus and the development and extensive field testing of several potent and effective vaccines, the tools are at hand to eradicate the infection. With the general application of these tools during the coming months, eradication can be achieved in this country in the year 1967.

    This paper states the epidemiologic basis in support of this statement, specifies the essential conditions, and outlines the priorities for attaining this goal.“

    The experts were the Sencer and Dull [yes really – their real names] with their colleague Langmuir.

    They were from the forerunner to the The US Centers For Disease Control – The Public Health Services National Communicable Disease Center of Atlanta, Ga. , USA. Dr. Sencer was chief and Dr. Dull was assistant chief of the Center. Dr. Langmuir was chief of the Epidemiology Program.

    They wrote:

    ….. it is evident that when the level of immunity was higher than 55 percent, epidemics did not develop. This is an estimate of the threshold of herd immunity providing protection to the city against a measles epidemic.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih(dot)gov/pmc/articles/PMC1919891/pdf/pubhealthreporig00027-0069.pdf

    -Efficacy and effectiveness of influenza vaccination:
    Strategies to reduce transmission within households and communities throughthe vaccination of school children and to reduce transmission within health care settings through the vaccination of healthcare workers are also promising.
    http://www.sciencedirect(dot)com/science/article/pii/S0264410X08009894
    Author is a government worker. Or was since this was published in 2008

    -Achieving polio eradication: a review of health communication evidence and lessons learned in India and Pakistan http://www.scielosp(dot)org/scielo.php?pid=S0042-96862009000800020&script=sci_arttext
    A WHO health bulletin. The WHO, CDC & the Pharmetutical Industry fight each other for first place as a criminal enterprise.

    -Hepatitis B vaccination: The key towards elimination and eradication of hepatitis B
    http://www.sciencedirect(dot)com/science/article/pii/S0168827809000579
    Taiwanese government study that forms no conclusion other than a plan needs to be formalized.

    -Considerations for Viral Disease Eradication: Lessons Learned and Future Strategies: Workshop Summary.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih(dot)gov/books/NBK98117/
    Seriously!!!!! Comes to no conclusions.

    -The eradication of smallpox – An overview of the past, present, and future
    http://www.sciencedirect(dot)com/science/article/pii/S0264410X11009546
    This is an epidemiological review, not a study. Smallpox has not been eradicated it was halted because the vaccine was causing smallpox. You cannot eradicate any illness when only 10% of the population were given the shot. Smallpox vaccine causes smallpox:
    -Vaccinia Virus Infection After Sexual Contact with a Military Smallpox Vaccinee — Washington, 2010
    Weekly:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih(dot)gov/pubmed/?term=Vaccinia+Virus+Infection+After+Sexual+Contact+with+a+Military+Smallpox+Vaccinee+—+Washington%2C+2010 July 2, 2010 / 59(25);773-775
    -Toddler survives smallpox vaccine reaction
    http://www.reuters(dot)com/article/2007/05/18/us-smallpox-boy-idUSN1744524120070518
    -Smallpox was declared eradicated, yet still infects humans today
    http://www.whale(dot)to/v/smallpox88.html

    -http://jama.jam network(dot)com/article.aspx?articleid=353655#References
    Deaths Attributable to Smallpox Vaccination, 1959 to 1966, and 1968site-iconjama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx
    ABSTRACT | REFERENCES

    There were 68 deaths in the United States from complications of smallpox vaccination in the nine years 1959 to 1966, and 1968; 19 were associated with vaccinia necrosum, 36 were caused by postvaccinial encephalitis, 12 by eczema vaccinatum, and 1 by Stevens-Johnson syndrome. Of the 68 who died, 24 were infants, although only 12% of all primary vaccinations are given to this age group. All of the deaths from eczema vaccinatum were in children who were not vaccinated themselves, but acquired vaccinia from a sibling, playmate, or parent. This suggests that reduction of the number of deaths from eczema vaccinatum cannot be established by screening vaccinees alone. Reducing the number of primary vaccinations performed would lower the risks of acquiring eczema vaccinatum and postvaccinial encephalitis.

    -PAGE NOT FOUND http://www.bt.cdc(dot)gov/agent/smallpox/training/overview/pdf/eradicationhistory.pdfhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/smallpox_01.shtml

    -Smallpox: The Most Talked About Eradicated Disease
    http://www.nature(dot)com/scitable/blog/viruses101/smallpox_the_most_talked_about
    Not a study basically a propaganda piece.

    – Smallpox: can we still learn from the journey to eradication? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih(dot)gov/pmc/articles/PMC3734679/#__ref-listid1175653title
    Not a study. Historical Article-stated on Pubmed. Insider study.

    *****Secondary and Tertiary Transmission of Vaccinia Virus After Sexual Contact with a Smallpox Vaccinee — San Diego, California, 2012
    Weekly March 1, 2013 / 62(08);145-147
    http://www.cdc(dot)gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6208a2.htm.

    *****SMALLPOX VACCINE AND HEART PROBLEMS: http://www.bt.cdc(dot)gov/agent/smallpox/vaccination/pdf/heartproblems.pdf

    *****Complications of Smallpox Vaccination: http://www.jwatch(dot)org/jd200706290000001/2007/06/29/complications-smallpox-vaccination

    Hirschmann, Jan, MD reviewing Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep 2007 May 4. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep 2007 May 18.

    Direct contact with the recently vaccinated can cause vaccinia infections in others.

    Vaccination of U.S. military personnel against smallpox had ended in 1990 but was resumed after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. The procedure employs live vaccinia virus, and those immunized are contagious from the time a papule develops at the inoculation site (2–5 days after vaccination) until the scab that forms later falls off (usually by day 21). Spread of the virus occurs by direct skin contact or indirectly through fomites.

  • Donald Monty

    They were busting him for using a banned drug on patients, so he killed himself.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Historically, vaccinia adverse reactions have included inadvertent inoculation, eczema vaccinatum, progressive vaccinia, fetal vaccinia, generalized vaccinia, erythema multiforme major, and postvaccinial encephalitis [33]. (See ‘Specific complications’ below.)

    ……Studies smallpox and complications of smallpox vaccination.
    AU
    KEMPE CH
    SO
    Pediatrics. 1960;26:176.

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    14408455
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    Deaths attributable to smallpox vaccination, 1959 to 1966, and 1968.
    AU
    Lane JM, Ruben FL, Abrutyn E, Millar JD
    SO
    JAMA. 1970;212(3):441.

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    4392370
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    Complications of smallpox vaccination, 1968.
    AU
    Lane JM, Ruben FL, Neff JM, Millar JD
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    N Engl J Med. 1969;281(22):1201.

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    4186802
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    Complications of smallpox vaccination, 1968: results of ten statewide surveys.
    AU
    Lane JM, Ruben FL, Neff JM, Millar JD
    SO
    J Infect Dis. 1970;122(4):303.
    Risk of complications and vaccine status — Historical data from a 1968 surveillance study demonstrated that approximately 75 complications occurred per million vaccinations with an overall death rate of one per million doses in people receiving the vaccine for the first time suggesting an overall acceptable rate of adverse events in healthy people in the setting of naturally occurring smallpox (table 1) [31].
    Adverse events associated with smallpox vaccination in the United States, January-October 2003.
    AU
    Casey CG, Iskander JK, Roper MH, Mast EE, Wen XJ, Török TJ, Chapman LE, Swerdlow DL, Morgan J, Heffelfinger JD, Vitek C, Reef SE, Hasbrouck LM, Damon I, Neff L, Vellozzi C, McCauley M, Strikas RA, Mootrey G
    SO
    JAMA. 2005;294(21):2734.

    CONTEXT: On January 24, 2003, the US Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) implemented a preparedness program in which smallpox (vaccinia) vaccine was administered to federal, state, and local volunteers who might be first responders during a bioterrorism event.
    OBJECTIVE: To describe results from the comprehensive DHHS smallpox vaccine safety monitoring and response system.
    DESIGN, SETTING, AND PARTICIPANTS: Descriptive study of adverse event reports from the DHHS smallpox vaccine safety monitoring and response system received between January 24 and October 31, 2003, through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. A total of 37,901 volunteers in 55 jurisdictions received at least 1 dose of smallpox vaccine.
    MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Number of vaccinations administered and description of adverse events and reporting rates.
    RESULTS: A total of 38,885 smallpox vaccinations were administered, with a take rate of 92%. VAERS received 822 reports of adverse events following smallpox vaccination (overall reporting rate, 217 per 10,000 vaccinees). A total of 590 adverse events (72%) were reported within 14 days of vaccination. Nonserious adverse events (n = 722) included multiple signs and symptoms of mild and self-limited local reactions. One hundred adverse events (12%) were designated as serious, resulting in 85 hospitalizations, 2 permanent disabilities, 10 life-threatening illnesses, and 3 deaths. Among the serious adverse events, 21 cases were classified as myocarditis and/or pericarditis and 10 as ischemic cardiac events that were not anticipated based on historical data. Two cases of generalized vaccinia and 1 case of postvaccinial encephalitis were detected. No preventable life-threatening adverse reactions, contact transmissions, or adverse reactions that required treatment with vaccinia immune globulin were identified. Serious adverse events were more common among older revaccinees than younger first-time vaccinees.
    CONCLUSIONS: Rigorous smallpox vaccine safety screening, educational programs, and older vaccinees may have contributed to low rates of preventable life-threatening adverse reactions. Other rare, clinically significant, or unexpected cardiac adverse events were detected by timely review of VAERS data and intensive clinical case investigation.
    AD
    Smallpox Vaccine Adverse Event Monitoring and Response Activity, Epidemiology and Surveillance Division, National Immunization Program, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Ga 30333, USA. [email protected] of the adverse events for vaccinated math the symptom profile of the “victim. ”

    The death rate for variola major was 30%. Variola minor was 1%.
    Variola is the proper name of smallpox.

    For vaccination it was 1 in a million. Once again vaccination is safer than the wild disease.

    Vaccinia was the vaccine with the highest antigenic load. I w as personally vaccinated twice. Once as a child and again as a naval recruit. The second time I did not react because my immunity was present.

    What you folks refuse to understand is that sometimes unexplained medical conditions develop.

    The risk benefit ratio clearly favors vaccination. The variola eradication program was successful. The last known case of smallpox was circa 1977 in the horn of africa.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    So yes this website is full of misinformation and inaccuracy.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Lying again lowell…here are the sources for the systematic reviews and no linkage between autism and vaccination

    Abstracts for References 35, 39 and 40

    35

    Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism. A report of the Institute of Medicine., The National Academies Press, Washington, DC 2004.

    no abstract available
    39
    TI
    Association of autistic spectrum disorder and the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: a systematic review of current epidemiological evidence.
    AU
    Wilson K, Mills E, Ross C, McGowan J, Jadad A
    SO
    Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2003;157(7):628.

    OBJECTIVE: To systematically review the evidence for and against the existence of an association between autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) and the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine. Study
    DESIGN: We conducted a systematic review of the medical literature to identify all controlled epidemiological articles examining for an association between ASD and the MMR vaccine. We extracted data from the articles on the characteristics and objectives of the study as well as evidence of an association.
    RESULTS: Twelve articles met the inclusion criteria. One study found no difference in the rates of ASD and the MMR vaccine in children who were vaccinated and those who were not. Six studies examined for evidence of an increase in ASD associated with an increase in the MMR vaccine coverage, none of which showed evidence of an association. Four studies examined if a variant form of ASD was associated with the MMR vaccine, none of which showed evidence of an association. Eight studies attempted to determine if there was a temporal association between developing ASD and receiving the MMR vaccine. Ofthese, 1 study identified an increase in parental concern in the 6-month period following vaccination with MMR in one of its analyses. The results of all other studies showed no association between ASD and the MMR vaccine.
    CONCLUSIONS: The current literature does not suggest an association between ASD and the MMR vaccine; however, limited epidemiological evidence exists to rule out a link between a rare variant form of ASD and the MMR vaccine. Given the real risks of not vaccinating and that the risks and existence of variant ASD remain theoretical, current policies should continue to advocate the use of the MMR vaccine.
    AD
    Department of Medicine and Health Policy, University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
    PMID
    12860782
    40

    Institute of Medicine of the National Academies. Measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine. In: Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and Causality, Stratton K, Ford A, Rusch E, Wright E. (Eds), National Academies Press, Washington, DC 2011. p.89.

    no abstract available

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    See below

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    You do not have a right to know my name. My credentials are as stated. Feel free to try and disprove the systematic reviews by Cochrane et al.

  • Al Mather

    How intellectually dishonest can you get?…we go from pretty much everybody getting measles to 50% of a 98 person “outbreak” ..and that deems it a failure? There were vaccine issues 50-60 years ago?One child contracts Vaccina from an eczema suffering inoculated father and that somehow is supposed to invalidate the vaccine that eradicated a disease which was responsible for the deaths of approx. 1.5 million a year 50 years ago? I’d say that is a desperate grasp.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    I don’t advocate defacing a billboard that an individual disagrees with on factual accuracy grounds….

  • All vaccine truth is a good thing, and no matter how and by what means it is presented to the public. It is not an ugly sign. You are wrong; and this truly is a war, and it is definitely an informational war between those who have everything to lose within the vaccine maker pharmaceutical industry, the CDC; and at this point in regard to and as to all of their to much, and everything to lose to minions. That information and denial, verses that of the parents who also had and have everything to lose in regard to the health of their infants and children. Not only that; but this is a vaccine informational war which has a major amount of vaccine truth explanation, data, endless independently done studies; and a major amount of real life vaccine truth information, behind it.

  • It doesn’t actually cut through anything at all. Wake up and face your own obvious, denialism of the vaccine truth..

  • That is just anther load of false claims, and with zero reference to back it up. Correlation equals causation in your world, and unless we are talking about thousands of vaccine harmed and injured children.Keep drinking that false vaccine savior toxic and contaminated false vaccine propaganda, Koolaid. We are counting on you to simply re-parrot anything and everything that you have been fed.

  • Al Mather

    You really are quite challenged aren’t you Lowell. All those meds left you unable to discern sarcasm??

  • Here is is the source of your so called graphical information.

    File history

    {{Information |Description={{en|1=Measles cases reported in the United States, 1944-2007, represented as thousands of cases per year vs. year, with an inset 1983-2007 as cases vs. year. Data are from the US Centers for Disease Control. Cases 1944-1983 ar

    Go ahead and explain this? Repeat situations where 80 to 90% of the outbreaks were found to be in the fully vaccinated, and on schedule.

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • And you clearly will get banned here for those kind of libelous and entirely slander filled comments. Remove it. It is as well interesting that you failed to and that you were obviously unable to directly reply to the subject content of the vaccine related information that exists here. Instead you chose to personally attack, me.

  • That reply post provided zero evidence of anything at all. Instead all it provided was the evidence of your refusal to face any vaccine reality. Prove me wrong?

    This vaccine injury and harm to human health issue is so far beyond the vaccine graphs issue, that it is actually pathetic that you would even bring that up.

    Go ahead and present for me any studies that show the physiological safety profile of the current CDC vaccine schedule? Present with any studies that you can find that show the safety profile of giving from 5 to 9 or more vaccines to an infant or small child, in a single day and office visit? Do not even bother to give me any IOM article info., and nor any Pediatrics info; and as a fact because none of that contains any of those, and any such said studies.

    VOLUMINOUS RESEARCH PROVES VACCINES ARE Dangerous, (and that they can be deadly)
    http://www.infowars.com/voluminous-research-proves-vaccines-are-deadly/

    Congressional Hearing on Autism research by the CDC

    Congressman Bill Posey questions CDC about what tests they have done in relation to Vaccines and autism in kids. Shocking is the answers given! “We have not studied vaccinated verses unvaccinated”, (Collen Boyle)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrCZAEZgIsY

    CDCs Dr. Coleen Boyle Suggested Manipulating Autism Dx Age in 2000

    CDC’s Dr. Coleen Boyle who presented at the autism hearing today is one of the major architects of the the perpetuation of the autism epidemic. In April 2000, 6 weeks before the Simpsonwood meeting, Boyle suggested manipulating the data by adding 1 and 2 year olds to the data set – kids too young to have an ASD diagnosis – in order to dilute the danger. She belongs in prison. See the full email below

    Read more:
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/11/cdcs-dr-coleen-boyle-suggested-manipulating-autism-dx-age-in-2000.html

    CDC Responds: Admits Omitting Vaccine Data
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THGbJnpywyw

    Can We Trust the CDC? British Medical Journal Reveals CDC Lies About Ties to Big Pharma
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/can-we-trust-the-cdc-british-medical-journal-reveals-cdc-lies-about-ties-to-big-pharma/

  • Measles Vaccines and the Potential for Worldwide Eradication of Measles/Pediatrics???

    Malaria vaccines, influenza vaccines, which largely this year were a complete failure. Your studies are nothing but long list of worthless, and a load of bullcrap, and you should know that.

    Really, and why in all this time, have they not eradicated, measles with the vaccine; and as they at the CDC said they would ?

    The Dose Makes the Poison–Or Does It?
    http://www.actionbioscience.org/environment/trautmann.html

    Does “the dose make the poison?”
    http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/NewScience/lowdose/lowdoseeffects.htm

    The Dose Makes The Poison Argument
    http://autismrawdata.net/1/post/2014/01/the-dose-makes-the-poison-argument.html

  • But measles for most individuals was never a harmful and nor a deadly illness. You are basing your claims on nothing more than fed to you re-parrotted and false fear mongering.

    Actually acquiring measles is obviously beneficial to human health. No matter what kind of denialism filled junk science studies that big pharma directed to do, they have since determining an opposite finding, and that they have intentionally and erroneously come up with.

    The already long existing and the real study science has already long since, shown us what the REAL truth is.

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.
    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract
    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    More Vaccine-Reality
    http://www.vacfacts.info/more-vaccine-reality.html

  • See if you can actually reply to the information provided, and instead of only and false attacking the credibility of the reference source?

  • AutismDad

    RESEARCH clown. You want to know, do some.

  • Rational wiki is nothing but a tabloid trash style site, and where anyone can provide any content they chose to, and there is never any verification done of the information.

    Left brain right is nothing more than a low grade and similar blogging to that of the pharma paid off and the twisted blogging of Gorksi, and the mindlessness and madness denialsm of all truth, blogging of Skeptical Raptor.

  • Donald Monty

    Not sure what you need explained as the graph is fairly self-explanatory. It strongly suggests sablemouse’s theory that reducing measles incidence is due soley to improvements in sanitation, poverty and social injustice is wrong as these are stats from the U.S. and not some 3rd world country.

  • But you are actually, a troll. And how much access to a and any real identity, do you have? Better yet, lets ask you how many vaccines have you actually had, in the last ten years?

  • Michael McCarthy

    Wow, a response from the infamous Lowell Hubbs. Still running that “lawfirm”?

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    Agree LOLOLOLOL as a matter of fact, my resources are validated with deep scientific research..YOU HAVE NONE…furthermore… compare our death rates to your..LOLOLOLOL 430,000 hospital deaths per year….MD’s, vaccines, good ole pharmeeee’s…yes..keep taking your medicine..sorry but our stats are ..ummmm just a itsy, bitsy better than yours…yes, definently agree with your laughter…you are what I call ‘knowledge deficiet”. It is also apparent that you are a hired TROLL/SHILL by big pharma…game over checkmate. BTW..to all those beloved ppls…reading this go back and read the information I posted..EVERYBIT is TRUTH..and compare the states of above DEATHS (not including the vaccine courts) with alternative deaths…ours are NONE…Allopathic is 430,000….hmmmm…guess BIG AL should go back to placing his money on ICE…pure fabricated Schillum…LOLOLOL . https://www.google.com/search?q=Laughing+lion&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=632&tbm=isch&imgil=-4gnHglbAh7W0M%253A%253Bm7rk0_i2_BJ6zM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.flickr.com%25252Fphotos%25252F33tazz%25252F5461005647&source=iu&pf=m&fir=-4gnHglbAh7W0M%253A%252Cm7rk0_i2_BJ6zM%252C_&usg=__ptNumyp5VfvhWN276jfZDK331B8%3D&ved=0CCkQyjdqFQoTCIGT6PHu98YCFQuWHgode_AJ6A&ei=ilW0VYGmBIusevvgp8AO#imgrc=-4gnHglbAh7W0M%3A&usg=__ptNumyp5VfvhWN276jfZDK331B8%3D

  • That is nothing but worthless garbage. Provide actual links to any reference material and studies that you provide. Again, you are nothing but pathetic.

  • Donald Monty

    You really don’t know what you’re talking about, do you?

  • It is actually a failed germ theory, and your standard medical model has proven that repeatedly, for now endless decades. Wake up. What have they cured, how many things? What situations and in how many, do they do anything more than essentially treat only the symptoms; and with no real physiological understanding of actual causation?

    The False Foundations of Modern Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

    The Real History of Modern Medicine
    Origins of Medical Industry Corruption
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-history-of-modern-medicine.html

    The Drug Story-A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

    Death By Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    .

  • AutismDad

    whatever troll

  • AutismDad

    prove it buttcrack

  • Donald Monty

    Lowell, if you’re going to try to refute germ theory you aren’t going to find the relevant information on your web site.

  • Ask the many parents with vaccine injured children.

    They can falsely claim to that vaccine injuries are rare, ONLY because they fail repeatedly to acknowledge them. Doctors and Pediatricians through their big pharma directed and schooled training are not given information nor training that would provide for recognizing and treating vaccine injuries. Instead they are told that the incidence of vaccine injury is so rare, being one chance in a million doses; that they likely will never even see it a avccine injury, in their practice and their during their entire career. And they simply and in error, believe this.

    Thus each and every time it happens and right in front of them, they deny that the outcome has had anything to do with vaccines, and claim that all of it just has to be again a coincidence. It just has to be something else for causation, which again and of course they never get to the bottom and root cause of, as to the diagnosis.

    The we have the VAERS reports with a known only 1 to 10% reporting factor, as well that remains entirely ignored as again just another unproven coincidence, and the entire game. They each and every time of course claim they looked at VAERS, and find nothing for concerning and common and similar occurences. They are literally either blind, or lying.

    And how many vaccines have they actually looked at in those several larger epidemiological studies that they claim have exonerated vaccines in the causation of autism, and or any other adverse effect, health outcome, affliction? The answer, is one vaccine, the MMR. How many vaccine ingredients did they look at as well in those said epidemiological studies? The answer is one, Thimerosal.

    So lets look at a well done analysis of those said epidemiological studies. Found were, flawed study designs, the use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes to the study, unsupported by the data; and as well major conflicts of interest regarding the studies funding sources.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    Where are the vaccine profile studies regarding the physiologiclally based and looked at safety profile of the current 2015 CDC vaccine schedule? Where are the studies regarding the safety in injecting from 5 to up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit? Where are the vaccine aluminum adjuvant safety profile studies? Considering all the vile substances that vaccines are grown on, and produced from; Where are the studies regarding the safety profile of injecting vaccines with, shown, known and unknown vaccine contamination in them? This is a serious issue that no purification step process known to man, has been able to resolve.

    Government Wipes Recent Vaccine Injury Data from Website
    https://sharylattkisson.com/government-wipes-recent-vaccine-injury-data-from-website/

    Vaccine Injuries and Deaths Continue to Increase in Federal Vaccine Court
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-continue-to-increase-in-federal-vaccine-court/

    This is enough information and should be, to shut down the entire CDC directed infant vaccination schedule. But you know that again they will ignore it; because not to would finish them entirely.

    Suzanne Humphries, MD – Neonatal Immunity: The first 3 years of life:

    “Nothing should interfere with the immunologic programming, especially during the first three years.” Normal brain development depends on the baby maintaining a non-inflammatory state. Vaccines drive excessive inflammation and can derail normal brain development:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL8srdLw4c0

    Dr. Suzanne Humphries Has A Lot To Say About Aluminum In Vaccines

    “By the age of 18 months, that infant has already received 4,925 micrograms (mcg) of aluminum, 100 percent of which is absorbed since it’s given intramuscularly. In the 1980s the amount of aluminum you got when following the childhood vaccination schedule amounted to 1,120 mcg, and importantly, it was given in more mature babies, not newborns. Today, American children end up getting a grand total of 6,150 mcg of aluminum if they get all of their recommended vaccines.”

    Read more:
    http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/04/20/dr-suzanne-humphries-has-a-lot-to-say-about-aluminum-in-vaccines/

    Dr Suzanne Humphries. Aluminum is toxic to all life forms: The case against aluminum in vaccines.
    https://youtu.be/LZe99K12740

    Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw

    Parents Voice: Children’s Adverse Outcomes Following Vaccination
    http://www.followingvaccinations.com/

  • Donald Monty

    So when all else fails resort to more personal attacks.

  • So that is what they say when the doctors are in pharma directed medical school, and that they may likely ever se a vaccine injured child, and that the odds of it are one in a million vaccines does, and even then the CDc states that you likely can not prove it and that the causation of what you are seeing, regarding a vaccine injured child, was actually vaccine injury. So therefore we have an entire industry of those strained within the standard medical model, denying any and all vaccine injuries, and as well with resulting severe and regressive autism as an outcome. those are not health care professionals, those are brainwashed vaccine promoting, and so called health care monopolized, and toxic and contaminated vaccine pushing thugs. They actually don’t have a clue about real physiologically based health care.

  • What is the abbreviation for having far less than average intelligence, and with an associated denial of all existing vaccine injuries, and resulting infant deaths?

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    Oh…no..wait..here is the second half for “Big Al”…Fact, vaccines have never eradicated anything, ever

    http://vactruth.com/2010/07/23/fact-vaccines-have-never-eradicated-anything-ever/

    Smoke, Mirrors, and the “Disappearance” Of Polio

    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/11/17/smoke-mirrors-and-the-disappearance-of-polio/

    Did Vaccines Really Eradicate Polio? by Suzanne Humphries, MD

    vaccinationcouncil.org

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/did-vaccines-really-eradicate-polio/

    http://www.vacfacts.info/

    http://vactruth.com/2015/07/05/cdc-made-polio-disappear/

    Harvard MD Immunologist-facts about
    transmission of nonvaccinatedhttps://alethonews.wordpress.com/2015/05/02/harvard-trained-immunologist-demolishes-california-legislation-that-terminates-vaccine-exemptions/

    Why Vaccination Continues

    by Guylaine Lanctot, M.D.

    http://www.tested.net/vaccines/lanctot.html

    The Media Uses These Powerful Tricks to Condition You to Accept Vaccines by
    Jeffry John Aufderheide at VacTruth.com

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/the-media-uses-these-powerful-tricks-to-condition-you-to-accept-vaccines/

    From a statistician the risk is actually almost none existent to the disease
    yet far more riskier with each shot. http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/the-vaccine-bubble-by-michael-belkin-pathways-to-family-wellness/#.Uo_dPH-9KK3

    Go to the FDA website, read the list of ingredients and their
    known side affects. Autism alone is listed as a known side affect in at least 3
    if not more vaccines. Learning disabilities is listed in others, seizures,
    death and many other symptoms are listed. Not a single vaccine is listed
    without a side affect so therefore can’t be considered 100% safe.

    Informed consent is
    the backbone of medical ethics. You have the right to say no. Doctors who
    assert that you do not have a choice about vaccines are violating this medical
    code of ethics.

    Increase in cancer
    risk..http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/03/18/vaccines-increase-cancer-risk.asp

    Doctors 3rd
    leading cause of death in world.. http://extension.oregonstate.edu/coos/sites/default/files/FFE/documents/us_health_care.pdf

    Vaccines warranted obsolete in prevention

    http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/03/15/the-doctor-who-beat-the-british-general-medical-council-by-proving-that-vaccines-arent-necessary-to-achieve-health/

    Vaccines linked to exploding
    autoimmune epidemic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FCJ_VPyns&feature=youtu.be

    Future vaccine manufacturing
    enterprises involving food. http://www.phillymag.com/citified/2015/03/23/scientists-are-growing-vaccine-laced-lettuce-at-pennovation/

    http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/118

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24620624

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23557271

    Repercussions in animal population – http://modernnotion.com/koalas-have-chlamydia-but-thats-not-whats-killing-them/

    Coming your way…300 experimental GMO
    vaccines.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtWZbIILsbs

    How big pharma manipulates you https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

    Donations to lawmakers in CA to
    mandate vaccines http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article24913978.html

    http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Epidemic-Corporate-Coercive-Government/dp/1620872129

    Vaccines in Cats caused cancer http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3658838/

    Humans exposure to vet vaccines
    sequela http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/37/3/407.full

    Autism Thorson fraud link http://deathbyvaccination.com/

    Lepto link…a whole generation of
    autoimmune and disease links.. http://www.thedogplace.org/VACCINES/Leptomania-10052-Jordan.asp

    http://findoutwhocares.org/

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    Vaxers…proceed at your own risk…Go East if your afraid…we are of your continued weakness and spread of all these viral problems that cause cancer and death from the vaccines…please move EAST…and take BIG AL with you.

  • Donald Monty

    My God you post more crap links than Lowell.

  • Really, and with a shotgun to the chest? Then found in a river? When he was at the pinnacle of his career in helping these vaccine injured children? Just after the FDA tried to take him down? I think not.

    Another Florida Doctor Murdered, Bringing Total to 8 Dead & 5 Missing in Just the Last Month
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/florida-doctor-murdered-bringing-total-8-dead-5-missing-month/#2q674sUW255K4b4T.01

    GcMAF for the treatment of cancer, autism, inflammation, viral and bacterial disease
    http://www.faim.org/autism/gcmaf-treatment-cancer-autism-inflammation-viral-bacterial-disease.html

    Explosive: The real reason Holistic Doctors are being killed and vanishing! (with url links, version)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALgIHETMDU

    Holistic cancer treatment pioneer Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez dies suddenly; patients mourn the loss of a compassionate, innovative doctor who helped thousands heal from cancer
    http://www.naturalnews.com/050500_Dr_Nicholas_Gonzalez_unexpected_death_alternative_cancer_treatments.html#ixzz3glmtmoTk

    Chapter 9
    Nagalase: Friend and Foe?
    http://gcmaf.timsmithmd.com/book/chapter/52/

    Dr. Bradstreet, Nagalase, and the Viral Issue in Autism
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/dr-bradstreet-nagalase-and-the-viral-issue-in-autism.html

    GcMAF, nagalase and autism
    http://questioning-answers.blogspot.com/2012/12/gcmaf-nagalase-and-autism.html

    Clinical experience of integrative cancer immunotherapy with GcMAF.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23780980/

    Nicholas Gonzalez, M.D. – Scientifically No Polio Vaccine was Needed
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/nicholas-gonzalez-m-d-scientifically-no-polio-vaccine-was-needed/

  • Really? Any honest person and with their eyes open here; can see who is actually posting, the bull crap!

  • What a load of literal, bull crap. 1 in a million just because the CDC and you, say so? Just because they refuse to look and to actually acknowledge any existing vaccine injuries? From my reference? LOL. You really stink at this.

  • Soft kill needs no specific ratio. Anyway, I could care less about the said eugenics issue. It is just another distraction from the real vaccine issues that we can actually show and prove.

  • “LOL”

    He as well is unaware of the reality of MK Ultra.

  • You actually have no science to back anything at all as for your vaccine safety claims. When are you going to face that; and how many times do I directly need to point that out?

  • Big pharma does not use the scientific method in their clinical trials. They simply take a found 3% benefit and spin it with multiple end point numbers into a 30% benefit; and cover up all the negative findings that they can, and send it to the revolving door with their drug industry, FDA. The next thing they are advertising to you their product on TV in your living room at 8 pm in the evening, and the longest part of the commercial is the long list of warnings and as to potential side effects that you may experience. Ask your doctor if this new drug is right for you. Drug pushers, for billions in profit.

  • Donald Monty

    YouTube videos, Safeminds article (written by who?), Suzanne Humphries? Sharyl Attkinsson?? (dead link BTW) C’mon Lowell you must have something worth reading.

  • Donald Monty

    He was a quack who was looking at huge fines, loss of his medical license and jail time.

  • No lawfirm, but I can be pretty good in a court room, and without an attorney. And obviously you could not and failed to respond to the information in the actual reply post. Imagine that.

  • Donald Monty

    Yes Lowell and it’s you.

  • Donald Monty

    It seems clear already. And another personal attack BTW.

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    LOL ..excuse me..I meant to include you Ducky…Big Al, Donald Duck …LOL..nothing you say supports anything…430,000 deaths/year…refute that..how many are from vaccines…well…no surprise there…”no documents to support the true cause of sequela”…BOOM and BAWAHAHAHA…another Pharma SHILL Exposed…LOL ..heres one to you…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr7E3mZQJ7g

  • The issue is actually that of reduced measles related deaths, and we are talking about and intermixing here as well separate issues as to that of the US, and verses underdeveloped countries.

  • Donald Monty

    That means a lot coming from an anti-vaxxer who can’t estimate the risk of vaccinations.

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    BTW…all you Torch Carriers/Truth TELLERS…copy and paste as you want…lots of FREE FACTS to support our “strong will survive” stance. Peace.

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH
  • The difference is that I am actually an experienced expert at it; and in that I can precisely, directly, and specifically respond to anything.

    How do you like the video I made today?

    Gardasil, and the real truth about vaccines
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s2yxAVVcEo

    National Moratorium on Vaccination

    Welcome to “PUBLIC ADVOCATE” radio with host Sallie O. Elkordy

    My guests today are Valerie Murfin, Lowell Hubbs, Geoff Reed, Alfred Lambremont Webre and Karen Johnston. Please see the comments area (when you scroll down) for links relating to my guests and to the subject at we are discussing.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/publicadvocate/2015/07/24/national-moratorium-on-vaccination-murfin-hubbs-reed-webre-johnston-elkordy

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    LOLOLOL BAWAHAhahahaha…NO FACTS to support nothing..but one fact to support allopathy..430,000 deaths /year…huh???yeah, believe your garbage?

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    GREAT and thanks…

  • How is it that your replies are showing up without a designation listed, and as to who you replied to?

  • Donald Monty

    Kind of hard to die of measles when you don’t catch it.

  • Donald Monty

    Yes, Lowell, your own HRSA link. It’s the only legitimate link I think I’ve ever seen you post.

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    Just completed edit…not sure. Peace.

  • Ok, refuse to actually get it, Donald Monty.

  • Oh, actually it is all there; and you simply refuse to educate yourself, and to get it. That is clearly your problem, and not mine.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    I guess you are incapable of going to pued and entering any of the references that are clearly embedded within the post.

    You are and remain on the wrong side of the science.

  • The refusal of all real information, obviously will not ever make you any smarter, now will it, Donald? Nothing would ever be enough, now would it? Keep on enjoying your largely failed and standard medical model.

  • Donald Monty

    Where are Bechamp’s microzymes, Lowell?

  • Donald Monty

    Guess you don’t.

  • That is what happens to doctors that investigate the truth, and actually start healing people with real health care. Wake up. There is no evidence at all that his protocols were wrong. Parental testimonials as well pointed directly to his obvious success. This is something far beyond what any form of the standard medical model would have ever achieved. The physiologically based science is as well clearly there to support what Bradstreet was doing.

    Jeff Bradstreet
    http://drbradstreet.org/

    Chapter 9
    Nagalase: Friend and Foe?
    http://gcmaf.timsmithmd.com/book/chapter/52/

    Dr. Bradstreet, Nagalase, and the Viral Issue in Autism
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/dr-bradstreet-nagalase-and-the-viral-issue-in-autism.html

    GcMAF, nagalase and autism
    http://questioning-answers.blogspot.com/2012/12/gcmaf-nagalase-and-autism.html

    Clinical experience of integrative cancer immunotherapy with GcMAF.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23780980/

  • Donald Monty

    So reducing measles cases from 450,000+ to under 1000 would have no effect on measles death rates. Got it!

  • Really? Then why do you repeatedly fail again and again to have any ability to respond directly to the information, and other than to throw only more false discreditation mud and poo at it?

  • The only reason you can not estimate it because you refused to look for and at the evidence. Go back to your sick practice or whatever you do at that Wisconsin medical center.

  • And as well you conveniently forgot about the over 9000 claims that were filed and never seen a properly ruled on decision for approval of compensation. Just like VAERS is know to contain an only 1 to 10% reporting factor; the federal vaccine court is just as likely to only see a small fraction of the claims for vaccine injury and death, that could and should have been filed. Using such sources for such estimates of anything at all regarding the incidence of vaccine injury, is simply the best and only way that you can find to support your vaccine safety, delusions.

  • Nice to see that after all; you again failed to actually respond directly to any of the information above. What should that as well actually tell, any readers?

  • Donald Monty

    Of your 5 links only the last was any kind of clinical trial of GcMAF and was in cancer patients. They found a 0.8% response rate. C’mon, Lowell.

  • What an ignorant question. You are only remain as ignorant as you intentionally choose to be, Donald.

    Louis Pasteur Vs Antoine Béchamp and The Germ Theory of Disease Causation – 1

    Go to the section of tha page with the title, Microzymas

    http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/05/louis_pasteur_vs_antoine_bchamp_and_the_germ_theory_of_disease_causation_1.html

    Germ Theories

    GERM THEORY (Pasteur)

    Disease arises from micro-organisms outside the body.

    Microorganisms are generally to be guarded against.

    The function of microorganisms is constant.

    The shapes and colours of microorganisms are constant

    Every disease is associated with a partciular microorganism

    Microorganisms are primary causal agents.

    Disease can “strike” anybody.

    To prevent disease we have to “build defences”.

    CELLULAR THEORY (Bechamp).

    1. Disease arises from micro-organisms within the cells of the body.

    2.These intracellular microorganisms normally function to build and assist in the metabolic processes of the body.

    3.The function of these organisms changes to assist in the catabolic (disintegration) processes of the host organism when that organism dies or is injured, which may be chemical as well as mechanical.

    4.Microrganisms change their shapes and colours to reflect the medium

    5. Every disease is associated with a particular condition.

    6. Microorganisms become “pathogenic” as the health of the host organism deteriorates. Hence, the condition of the host organism is the primary causal agent.

    7. Disease is built by unhealthy conditions.

    8. To prevent disease we have to create health.

    The Cause of Disease & Healing Disease
    http://www.healingourchildren.org/the-cause-of-disease-healing-disease/

  • Donald Monty

    Because I’m not going to waste my time reading opinion pieces from whack job anti-vaccine sites.

  • Donald Monty

    I don’t need to estimate it. It’s 1:1,000,000 from the site you linked.

  • Donald Monty

    No, Lowell, I think the link you provided is accurate. For once.

  • Donald Monty

    That you keep posting crap?

  • Your references reply post is nothing but a completely cobbled up mess. Again if you think that passes for any form of actual, applicable, and acceptable reference material here; you are entirely delusional. Go to my website and find all the endless number of studies showing the harm of vaccines, Everything has reference links that go directly to the studies; and as well to numerous as to the harm of vaccine aluminum adjuvants. You refuse to do that; but yet expect me to go through the pile of nonsense such as you attempted to provide. All you are doing is throwing a false smoke and mirrors screen at it and the issue; and in your hope in thinking the somehow readers are going to be assuming that there is actually something there to make your case. Unfortunately for you, that is not happening.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism, Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    More Vaccine Damage Science
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-vaccine-damage—science.html

    Facts and Science
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!the-factsscience/cc2d

  • Donald Monty

    Yeah that’s great, Lowell, but why hasn’t anyone seen them in the last 100 years?

  • If so, and lets say that figure were actually correct; it doesn’t mean anything, when resulting chronic health conditions and as well the rate of cancer increased exponentially; and because the immune systems of the population were not allowed to develop properly and as nature designed them to. You are assuming that measles is always and largely some risky and deadly illness, and at the very least fraught with potential adverse effects. It is not. But then people like you are simply not interested in any true assessment and balance of true risk verses benefit. Again.

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.
    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract
    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine, (multiple cases of outbreaks where the outbreak was found to contain 80 90% that were fully vaccinated, on schedule)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    And yet, we still have not factored in the risk of the harm and vaccine injury known to occur with MMR vaccine.

    Research References.
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    And are you as well aware that the MMR vaccine is made from use of aborted fetal cell tissue? Short and long chain DNA has been found as a contaminant in that vaccine. Also the change points in and as to the known increase in autism diagnosis numbers has been show to have increased parallel to the addition of each and every vaccine that was changed over to be produced with aborted fetal cells, and then added to the vaccine schedule as such.

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

  • Donald Monty

    Oh it’s correct-remember the graph we just looked at? And I “assume” measles is a risky and deadly illness because it killed 145,000+ people in 2013:http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/ But hey, that’s just me.

  • You are a biased and false fear monger that insists that vaccines are the only way, and clearly while ignoring and in spite of all evidence to the contrary. You as well simply refuse to evaluate properly the concept and issue of the risks verses potential and/or possible benefit. .

  • Maybe your answer is that they weren’t actually looking. Go ahead and tell me exactly what form of the standard big pharma directed and so called educated medical model, has ever looked directly at the actual issue.

  • At least you are always consistent with your dishonesty and your must deny it, endless denial.

  • margaret

    I never was able to get the measles vaccine as it wasn’t available when I was a child. I got measles and was miserably sick. And I STILL developed degenerative joint disease-had billet knee replacements at 52 yrs, and have severe osteoarthritis in my hips and spine. Gee, tell me again how having measles, with the rash, has helped me in my adult years with protection from degenerative disease. SMH! I went to school with a girl who wore braces from having polio, and a friend of my husband lost his child to a meningitis that is preventable now with a vaccine. No one in either of our families or ANY of my friends or their children suffered from any vaccine-related morbidity or mortality. Hopefully you anti-vaccine nuts will just Darwin out of human race. Shame on you for spreading this anti-vaccine nonsense!

  • margaret

    I rather think you are the blathering idiot, Lowell.

  • sabelmouse

    what is your point? i’m talking mortality/negative outcomes, not incidence. though there have been outbreaks in vaccinated populations.

  • David Richards

    19th century Smallpox Vaccination Efficacy

    1871 Bavaria – out of 39,742 cases 29,429 were in vaccinated
    persons (95.7 percent)

    1871 Prussia – highest revaccinated country in Europe –
    Highest death rate from smallpox of any northern European country (69,839)

    German Army all
    recruits revaccinated death rate from smallpox was 60 percent higher than among
    the civil population of the same age, for whom revaccination is not mandatory.

    Since the passing of the UK Compulsory vaccination Act of
    1853 there were no less than 3 distinct epidemics. In 1857-9 there were more
    than 14,000 deaths from smallpox; in the 1863-5 epidemic the deaths increased
    to 20,000 and in 1871-2 44,800 deaths.
    :-Walter R Hadwed MD (1896)

    Stricter enforcement led to the highest vaccination rate
    ever achieved in England in 1871 – 97.5% this rate coincided with England’s
    worst smallpox epidemic.

    1907 – Vaccination Act of England repealed

    1919 – England and Wales, population of 37.8 million people.
    One of the least vaccinated counties. Registers
    that year only 28 deaths from smallpox.

    1919 – Philippines,
    population 10 million. All Triple vaccinated over the prior 6 years registers
    that year 47.368 deaths from smallpox.

    Smallpox was eradicated by 3 synergistic mechanisms 1/
    Isolation 2/ Attenuation 3/ improved social Determinants, particularly
    nutrition and sanitation.

    I have 3 children and they were all fully vaccinated; with
    the time frame each received a different number of vaccines depending on the
    availability at the time. About 20years ago my oldest son was involved in a
    serious car accident and received life threatening injuries thanks to the
    dedication of skilled medical and surgical personnel my son did pull through.
    But my youngest son 2nd child became sick during the early days when
    we visited my oldest son in hospital. We took him to the doctor who then
    referred him to a specialist who at the time indicated that our son was the
    first case of measles he had seen in more than 7 years. My son was vaccinated
    for measles so he should not have contracted the disease. There were no other
    reports of such cases at that time to my knowledge. I’m now glade that he
    caught the disease which means it will improve his children’s prospect of
    resisting the disease with true and natural immunity. I had the measles,
    chicken pox and mumps when I was a child My recollection of the time when I had
    these diseases was my mother put me to bed and then she would monitor my room sometimes
    sitting outside my room. Because all I wanted to do was get outside to play,
    that’s how the disease impacted on me. Having had these diseases my children
    will receive a degree of resistants from my exposure to these diseases as I did
    from my parents.

    My youngest child my daughter would have received the most
    vaccines of the 3 and is probably the brightest and did very well in her early
    school years. But when she reached high school she developed some conditions
    including anxiety from which she struggled to coupe in school and despite my
    insistence she pulled out of school. Is this the way of the future vaccinate
    our kids watch them get sick them seek medical drugs to fix them. Are we
    becoming a drug dependant society???

    If I was better educated in the dangers of vaccines, dangers
    which are grossly played down I do not believe I would have had my children
    vaccinated. I think we need to better understand how to live with these viruses
    because in the end I believe we will be gone and viruses will still be here.

    http://www.jfklibrary.org/Research/Research-Aids/JFK-Speeches/American-Newspaper-Publishers-Association_19610427.aspx

    I feel I was a fool for have not taken more interest and responsibility
    in what they were injecting into my children. My children were luckier than
    some in their outcome, from exposure to these vaccines. But they potentially
    have micro particle remains lodged within the deepest crevices of their bodies,
    waiting for the right conditions from physical chemical and emotional stresses,
    to inflict a life threatening reaction. From which the doctor will be asked how
    this condition happened, the likely answer will be “we don’t know but research
    is going on to bring better drugs and treatment”

  • Donald Monty

    145,000+ deaths in 1 year is false fear mongering?

  • Donald Monty

    So pharmaceutical companies (and I guess the NIH?) should create new divisions to look for these mythical 19th century living entities that some long dead French fellow thought were present throughout the human body, because he thought he saw them with a one hundred year old microscope, and that no one else in the world has seen in over a hundred years? Should they search for bigfoot also?

  • Donald Monty

    Revell, get your lithium level checked, dude. You may be underdosing.

  • AutismDad

    He’s a turd like most pro-vacs

  • Donald Monty

    I’m a sensitivity trainer. We could help you.

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    A++

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    Yes, the war is TRUTH…corp lobbists are losing their tails…at our expense. They could care less who and what they do…Anyone vaccinating in this day and age has seriously bought into the russian roulette with 6 chambers loaded. The most troubling is the “gene therapy” especially VMAT2 gene therapy. Strange isn’t it that 8 alternative MD’s have been murdered and some disappeared lately? All have one serious thing in common…GcMAF therapy which eliminates a few things that are caused by the vaccines – autism and cancer….hmmm isn’t this interesting. http://www.faim.org/autism/gcmaf-treatment-cancer-autism-inflammation-viral-bacterial-disease.html

  • Al Mather

    That would be more of a phrase or at least an acronym Lowell. Abbreviations are more for single words. You just can’t seem to resist putting up straw men..even little ones. NO ONE denies all vaccine injury. As far as intelligence…it’s sad. You must have been a relatively smart guy before all the …bad stuff. How many years you been pushing this boulder of your own making up this hill of reality Lowell. From what I read ..years.. and your posts are almost verbatim to your redundant accusatory posts now. Except now you throw in a lot more ands & thus’s & nors.

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    I would have to disagree, visual TRUTH is very good. Provaxers are now thinking about seriously assessing the risks associated with vaccines. And it is a war…a big GREEN war.as well as a war declared on the families. Corps are losing money…thats a war to them. Families are losing their loved ones to death and long term sickness…who wants that? FRAUD and LIES…SMOKE and MIRRORS…The billboard? Very ingenious and effective. Good move !!!

  • AutismDad

    I love personal attacks. You don’t earn respect. You are a low life mouth piece who has no evidence at all and are on here to perfect his smuck act. You need to post at Skeptical Raptor with lilady rn/BS and Dorit troll Reise.

  • Donald Monty

    How do you explain the dramatic reduction in incidence in measles (450k+ down to under 1k) in the U.S. in the 1960s? We weren’t a 3rd world country. And obviously the death rate from measles would drop, not go up, with over a 450-fold decreased incidence, right?

  • Michael McCarthy

    “No lawfirm”

    My mistake.

    “I can be pretty good in a court room, and without an attorney”

    Then why did you use an attorney when you stole a bicycle and when you sued GlaxoSmithKline?

    ” failed to respond to the information in the actual reply post”

    the “information” wasn’t really worthy of a reply

  • AutismDad

    What has been made clear by your posts is that you are a putz and nothing more. You have failed to convince a single person your thoughts have merit and you juvenile style is as stale as your dog breath.

  • Donald Monty

    Sadly lilady has passed away. But we are many. And personal attacks could get you banned, at least according to Lowell. In reality it seems here more people get banned for making rational posts.

  • sabelmouse

    i never said that reduction of incidence isn’t because of the vaccine. i don’t care about incidence. i care about outcome. THAT had steadily improved and would have improved more with more improvements in living conditions, vit a in case of infection, and even better, more breastfeeding.
    it’s similar for all 1st world countries btw.

  • Donald Monty

    I thought I was a buttcrack.

  • AutismDad

    Yes lilady BS has gone to that big TROLL world in the sky. NEXT!!

  • AutismDad

    My bad you’re right….sigh, you got me. Sorry Mr Buttcrack.

  • Simone Harris

    I wish to add to this particular message of yours, if I may. When I was four years of age I had chickenpox. I was ill for almost six weeks…. but nobody knew what was wrong with me. Finally three pustules were found… one hidden away behind my fringe (i had such thick hair back then), one deep in the groin and eventually one appeared on my chest.

    When I turned 18 years of age I began to suffer with shingles, of course I had no idea what it was as there was only one dear little patch and I did not even consider any form of investigation. Regular as clockwork, in the Autumn and Spring this pain would attack me at the base of my spine. These days when I am at a particularly low ebb the outbreak would occur during other parts of the year. It was only when my husband suffered from a full outbreak all the way along the sciatic nerve that I could finally identify it. That was a mere eight years ago. He had it once and never again.

    I will be 60 in the next few months…. and i have had this darned thing since I was 18. As an old lady who used to live near me said “It doesn’t grow out of you, does it my dear.” Never was a truer word spoken…. and this is the point, is it not? We tend to suppress symptoms rather than dig out the disease, and pat ourselves on the back because we can no longer see anything on the surface.

  • Donald Monty

    I’d argue reducing the incidence that much would have a much larger effect in reducing mortality than sanitation, etc. But all of that helps too.

  • sabelmouse

    no it didn’t. negative outcome was close to zero for many already. while still having all the benefits.

  • The link between decline in mortality and use of vaccines for the individual diseases is quite poor actually, there was a more than 95% decline in mortality in all of the “vaccine preventable” diseases prior to the vaccine being introduced.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    The Lancet article you posted is 29 years old. Of anything more recent work shows that wild measles infections are even more dangerous than previously thought.

    The scientists found that for Europe and the US, mass vaccination against the measles was followed by a reduction in the death of children due to nonmeasles infectious diseases. In all locations, measles incidence showed significant associations with mortality; however, the effect sizes varied, probably due to differences of reporting in the US and changes in health care practices.

    The study revealed that when measles was common, measles infections may have contributed to as many as half of all childhood deaths from infectious diseases.

    http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/05/measles-vaccine-cuts-risk-of-other-childhood-diseases/

    What you were given earlier was the best professional information available from up to date.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Last known case of wild smallpox was circa 1977 in the horn of africa.

    I have a variolation scar from childhood. In 1987 I was revaccinated against smallpox. Absolutely no response. I guess my childhood immunization worked.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Another bulldog owner.

  • ciaparker2

    I know my history. Several contagious diseases were big killers in the nineteenth century in the developed world. Smallpox, measles, pertussis, diphtheria, and scarlet fever were the biggest, killing many thousands every year. But several dynamics have been at work which need to be considered before taking any vaccine. The first is that the vast improvement in hygiene and safe water and sewage systems in the developed world eliminated water-borne diseases like cholera. The vast improvement in living conditions (less crowded) and nutrition greatly reduced the severity and lethality of all diseases. The next factor is that nearly all diseases evolve to become much less virulent over time, because that increases the ability of the pathogens to propagate and be widely distributed. Ebola killed 95% of its victims when it first emerged in 1976, but last year it killed only about a third. Parvovirus first appeared in 1978, and killed most of the puppies it affected, but now the survival rate is about 90%. New diseases kill because no one’s immune system has any idea how to deal with them, but over time the immune system learns how.
    Smallpox evolved to become a much less dangerous pathogen after 1897 in the U.S., changing very quickly so that within twenty years, it no longer caused many deaths even when it occurred. Its disappearance owes very little to the dangerous vaccine used for it. Measles and pertussis evolved to become much milder and became routine childhood diseases BEFORE the vaccines for them were widely used. Scarlet fever evolved to become much milder and much less common until it virtually disappeared without any vaccine ever being in widespread use for it because the vaccines tried were so dangerous and killed so many.
    We need the childhood diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, and pertussis to train our cellular immune system so that it does its job well. There is no other way to do it. We don’t need the vaccines, which are now causing neurological and autoimmune disease in nearly half our children. They cause excessive inflammation, vaccine encephalitis, and sensitize the immune system to vaccine ingredients, triggering autoimmune disease. They weaken overall immune function, leading to higher incidence of many diseases, like Hib meningitis and polio.
    There are better ways to prevent and, in necessary cases, treat the vaccine-preventable diseases without using the extremely dangerous vaccines. Good nutrition, breastfeeding, and avoidance of drugs and vaccines is the best way to prevent serious cases. Herbal medicine, vitamin therapy (especially high-dose vitamin C and appropriate doses of vitamin A), and homeopathic prophylaxis and treatment are much safer ways to deal with disease by vaccines.

  • Perhaps not if you live in sub-Saharan Africa. If you live in the US, the UK or Australia or the like, then yes…its fear mongering.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Measles deaths have dropped by 75% since 2000. See

    In 2013, there were 145 700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.In 2013, about 84% of the world’s children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 73% in 2000.During 2000-2013, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 15.6 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    It’s delusional to believe that a case of wild measles is preferable to never contracting the disease.

    The study revealed that when measles was common, measles infections may have contributed to as many as half of all childhood deaths from infectious diseases. The scientists found that the reduction in measles virus infections through vaccination was the largest factor in reducing overall childhood infectious disease mortality. The results of this study provide strong support for the idea that measles may reset our immune system’s memory.

    While both infection and vaccination can provide a robust herd immunity against subsequent epidemics, this study also reveals that measles virus infections could actually reduce a population’s herd immunity against other infections.

    Science, 2015. DOI: 10.1126/science.aaa3662 (About DOIs).

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    By getting vaccinated……

  • Al Mather

    Oops meant morbidity

  • Donald Monty

    You can’t possibly believe that.

  • Children were ten times *less* likely to be disabled just before the widespread use of vaccination than they are now..

    And life expectancy increases happened *faster* before the widespread use of vaccination than it did afterwards.

    But yes, please tell us more about the printing press.

  • Those numbers are made up Viking. Literally made up.

    Nobody every counted measles deaths in those countries before the vaccine and nobody counted them afterwards.

    Those countries don’t even have reliable cause of death data.

    Even the head of stats at the WHO – Dr Kenji Shibuya – lambasted his colleagues for their disgraceful behaviour relating to this data. This one act alone should have been enough to get the organisation defunded.

    australiansceptics.com/2012/09/06/measles-deaths-in-africa/

  • Donald Monty

    And what do think would happen if we stopped vaccinating for measles in the US, the UK and Australia?

  • Easy Donald, doctors don’t like diagnosing measles if the patient is vaccinated and instead diagnose things like roseola, fifth disease etc.

    Because the data you refer to is not double blind it is simply unacceptable to use it to evaluate the efficacy of the vaccine. Indeed, it is even worse than that because along with the doctors’ prejudices themselves they are specifically instructed to differentially diagnose if the patient is vaccinated and what is more, practically *all* measles diagnoses pre-vaccine were on clinical grounds alone. Today, measles diagnoses are much stricter (ie require lab confirmation).

    So your data is a disgrace. Only an abject fool would treat it as meaningful.

    What is meaningful however is the rate of deafness and encephalitis since the widespread use of the vaccine (those being supposed complications from measles). And in both cases there has been no obvious fall.

  • “The study revealed that when measles was common, measles infections may have contributed to as many as half of all childhood deaths from infectious diseases.”

    In which case the moment the vaccine came along we would have seen a massive step change (fall) in *overall* childhood mortality.

    Can you provide this data please Viking?

  • Donald Monty

    How do you double blind a graph?

  • Can I just ask Viking?

    How did they know that smallpox was eradicated? Given that it is only a tiny little protein that can only be seen under an electron tunnelling microscope, how could any mere mortal possibly be sure that it had gone from all the planet?

    Are doctors truly omniscient? Or are they just full of shit?

  • Que?

    The data in the graph is not double blind and therefore not valid.

    If doctors differentially diagnose on the basis of vaccination status – and many do – then it is impossible to be sure (in the absence of double blinding) that the supposed reduction in measles since the vaccine is anything more than a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    In short, they could be seeing just as many cases of rash and fever (even more perhaps) as they ever did but they just call it roseola, fifth disease etc.

    Now, as it so happens I have definitive proof that doctors are actively instructed to do just that – differentially diagnose on the basis of immunisation status – if I provide this to you will you admit that everything you think you know about this issue is a lie Donald? Or will you just act deliberately obtuse and/or shift the goalposts?

  • Of even if you do. Given how important you think measles is when it comes to childhood mortality, you need to provide the data demonstrating a step change in mortality after the vaccine was introduced.

  • Al Mather

    Basing what claims Lowell?? What “claims” did I make?

    And just how long do you “claim” that inherited immunity lasts?

    Here’s some claims… In 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.

    The disease remains one of the leading causes of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. Approximately 145 700 people died from measles in 2013 – mostly children under the age of 5.

    Measles is caused by a virus in the paramyxovirus family and it is normally passed through direct contact and through the air. The virus infects the mucous membranes, then spreads throughout the body. Measles is a human disease and is not known to occur in animals.

    Accelerated immunization activities have had a major impact on reducing measles deaths. During 2000-2013, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 15.6 million deaths. Global measles deaths have decreased by 75% from an estimated 544 200 in 2000 to 145 700 in 2013.
    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

  • Al Mather

    Your story is all too common Margaret. There’s a reason these folks also seem to buy into Chemtrails, Sandy Hook Denial, 9/11 denial, New World Order depopulation conspiracy,Holocaust denial, Moon Landing denial.. It fills a need for them. I see a lot of tales of bouts with depression and problems relating to anti depressant drugs among the denial crowd as well.

  • Al Mather

    Nearly every single site you post info from is quack, conspiracy tin foil hat, managed by convicted criminals.. Including yours.

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    Checkmate…personal attacks w/o any validation at all WHO/BIG PHARMA/FDA/USDA…the list goes on and on all in bed with each other…your comment is laughable to say at the very least…”just above your comments is my list that says..”Harvard MD immunologist FACTS…you are a Troll. No more responding to a troll like you …BIG AL..go put your stuff back on ice…lololo

  • Small pox vaccine caused more and larger outbreaks of small pox than it prevented! You have been mislead and lied to.

    The Decline of Smallpox in Great Britain – Vaccination in Doubt. It includes a critique of Edward Jenner’s book and theories.
    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/articles/truth-about-decline-of-the-infectious-diseases.html

    Smallpox Vaccine: Origins of Vaccine Madness
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2010/02/26/smallpox-vaccine-origins-of-vaccine-madness/

    Vaccination: A Mythical History ~ by Roman Bystrianyk and Suzanne Humphries MD
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/08/27/vaccination-a-mythical-history-by-roman-bystrianyk-and-suzanne-humphries-md/#sthash.03Vj2X4E.dpuf

    Link Index for Graphs – A quick way to see Historical Trends
    http://www.vaclib.org/links/graphs.htm

    Compulsory Vaccination Killed More Than Smallpox
    http://nocompulsoryvaccination.com/2014/03/08/compulsory-vaccination-killed-more-than-smallpox/

    A short history of Smallpox Vaccine
    V. Thirty Years of Rapidly Decreasing Vaccination in Leicester, and its Teachings.

    Excerpts:

    (1) The great manufacturing town of Leicester, with nearly 200,000 inhabitants, affords the most conclusive proof of the uselessness of vaccination that it is possible to have; and the doctors and government officials carefully avoid dealing with it except to prophecy evils which have never come to pass.

    Down to 1872 Leicester was one of the most completely vaccinated towns in the kingdom, the number of vaccinations, owing to alarm after epidemics, several times exceeding the number of births. Yet in 1871, at the very height of its good vaccination record, it was attacked by the epidemic with extreme severity, its small-pox deaths during that year being more than 3,500 per million of the population, or about a thousand per million more than the mortality in London during the same epidemic. If ever a test experiment existed it is this of Leicester, where an almost completely vaccinated community suffered more than unvaccinated and terribly insanitary London, on the average of the last forty years of the eighteenth century.

    But even more conclusive evidence is to come.

    (2) That fearful mortality destroyed the faith of Leicester in vaccination. Poor and rich alike, the workers and even the municipal authorities began to refuse vaccination for their children. This refusal continued till, in 1890, instead of 95 per cent. the vaccinations reached only 5 per cent. of the births! [[p. 17]] As this ominous decrease of vaccination went on the doctors again and again prophesied against it, that once small-pox was introduced it would run through the town like wildfire and decimate the population. Yet it has been introduced again and again, but it has never spread; and from that day to this no town in the kingdom of approximately equal population has had such a very low small-pox mortality as this almost completely unvaccinated and–as the doctors say–unprotected population! Surely this completes the demonstration that vaccination, instead of preventing, increases the liability to small-pox, and that the only way to abolish the disease is to do as Leicester did, leave off vaccination altogether and devote our energies to sanitation, and the isolation of such rare cases as do occur.

    Germany: 1870-1871 Over 1,000,000 people had smallpox of which 120,000 died. 96% of these had been vaccinated.

    Philippines: 1918-1919 Smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. (2) with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine’s history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place owing to
    religious prejudices. (2)

    Scotland: 1855-1875 over 9,000 children under 5 died of smallpox despite Scotland being, at that time, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world.

    1907-1919 with only a third of the children vaccinated, only 7 smallpox deaths were recorded for children under 5 years of age.

    [Thats right, the vaccine truth people were right, all along. We were mislead, and lied to. Jenner caused far more harm than good.]

    Read more:
    http://www.vaclib.org/legal/MTstate/smallpox.pdf

    Vaccinations & Smallpox
    By Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, DO
    http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/vaccinationsandsmallpox11nov02.shtml

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    I find you reply curious…and agree especially since all is static…nothing is linear..

  • I think it is long past time for Donald Monty to reveal his real identity; don’t you? If he is so right and so strongly believing in his claims of vaccine safety and effectiveness; then shouldn’t he be bold enough to reply with something other than just a character name? You can see Donald, that I have since 2009 never withheld my real name on anything that I have reply posted on anywhere ever, and in regard to the vaccine issue. And I have reply posted in that time on any and every vaccine related article that crossed my path. You at the medical center in Wisconsin have 24 hour security; and in comparison, what do I have? So what are you so scared of? I do not understand why you trolling vaccine shills always need to reply post under a character name? Actually get some balls underneath you, and use a real name.

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    Shills…pure shills and trolls…all about the GREEN…no more truth from the medical field anymore…

  • You don’t know the half of it Revelling.

    The
    CDC actually admit that people have tested positive for smallpox virus since
    they declared it eradicated (http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/39/10/1477.long)
    but they always declared that it must have been a false positive because – in a
    wonderful piece of circular reasoning – smallpox doesn’t exist anymore.

    In other words they just renamed smallpox as severe chicken pox/monkey pox etc. Nobody has the slightest clue how many people had smallpox 100 years ago and nobody has the slightest clue how many have similar symptoms today.

    The only thing we do know is that in those countries that counted smallpox deaths (eg England in the 19th century) mortality from this condition followed much the same trend as mortality from other infectious diseases despite the fact that only smallpox had a vaccine.

    In other words, it was every bit as useless as every other vaccine.

  • More people would be diagnosed with measles and less kids would be diagnosed with roseola or fifth disease.

    And if challenge, rechallenge events involving the vaccine and injuries are anything to go by then there would likely be a substantial fall in various chronic conditions as well.

  • Yours is a very rare case.The only way that would happen is if the immune system were somehow suppressed and/or dysregulated in some way, and for some reason.

    Here exists the actual reality of the use of Varicella vaccine, and point blank.

    Varicella and Shingles Vaccine – For Profit Quackery
    http://www.vacfacts.info/varicella-and-shingles-vaccine—for-profit-quackery.html

  • Lets just find out then, Donald? End all vaccines, period. At this point considering the obvious failure of both pertussis and measles vaccines, there is not much left to lose and for you to lose.

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • Al Mather

    Please share with us the “deep scientific research” behind homeopathy.

  • I and my brother had the measles vaccine in the 1960’s, and we still both got/had the measles. But thanks for your presentation of false fear mongering. I am not denying the potential risks from measles, but the MMR vaccine indeed poses for far more risks of injury, than any involvement with acquiring the actual and natural measles.

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.
    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract
    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    More-Vaccine Reality
    http://www.vacfacts.info/more-vaccine-reality.html

    The Real Research (on the MMR vaccine)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    Dr Andrew Wakefield – MMR Vaccine – Truth and Reality
    http://www.vacfacts.info/dr-andrew-wakefield—mmr-vaccine—truth-and-reality.html

    And what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDc vaccine schedule. None of thsoe studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiolgical studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period.Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unrealiable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    Read more:
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    Paul Offit-The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/paul-offit—the-real-truth.html

  • Al Mather

    I like how someone named Revellingtruth upvotes you.

  • Please share with us the physiologically based science and studies that show thew CDC vaccine schedule to have been proven as safe? You know, in giving anywhere from 5 to 9 vaccines or more in a single day, and office visit? Where are their studies? 49 doses of 14 vaccines by the age of 6, and with approximately 34 of those injected doses by the age of 2. Show me the, and that science, Bullwinkle?

  • Al Mather

    Forget the easily fudged and argued ancient history bit and what about the 12 year campaign in the 1960s and 70s that comprised volunteers and agencies from around the globe..Doctors,Epidemiologists,many Governments,aide workers. The USSR put aside the cold war long enough to donate half a million vaccines. If and outbreak was reported brave volunteers and aide workers would go to disease ridden 3rd world locations and encircle the outbreak vaccinating in an ever tightening ring till smallpox was eradicated to a test tube in a lab.Just vaccines. No hygiene,water,infrastructure changes..just vaccine. The whole world witnessed this. Every newspaper, news media, our friends and our enemies. Perhaps the greatest example of global cooperation ever ridding the world of a scourge that had plagued it for centuries.Telling that your quack anti vax sources ALWAYS avoid the modern day tale of smallpox.

  • Actually I have learned a lot through the years and to never use a court appointed attorney, for anything at all. In fact that bicycle was laying next to a junk pile, and I thought it was and had been abandoned. The owner refused to press any charges, but happened without him. I talked to him personally. he simply dumped his bike next to a junk pile and walked into the near by bar, and that way no one would think it was worth taking. That was years and years ago. Go ahead and present with your real identity; and as that certainly is not your actual name; now is it?

  • LOL, no it is far more likely to be the fires of hell. lilady was no lady at all. Isn’t it interesting how all these vaccine trolling shills, know each other? Like they all sit in the same room, and in their cubicles, 24 hours a day and taking shifts, together..

  • Michael McCarthy

    “Actually I have learned a lot through the years and to never use a court appointed attorney, for anything at all”
    that really should have been obvious.
    ” that is not your actual,name; now is it?”

    Sure about that? Exactly who do you think I am then? Kelby Krabbenhoft? The hacker he “hired” to torment you? The Pope? Jesus? I’m dying to know.

  • That one hundred year old micorcope Becamp had is now known as and called, live blood cell microscopy. There obviously exist very advanced forms of exactly the same thing, today. Guess what? the FDA banned it from any use in human health diagnostics; and as they knew damned well what it was showing. Just like they banned the use of IV vitamin C. They are not going to allow anything ever that provides for real answers to the human health condition. Wake up.

  • Really? Sensitivity training, in regard to what? I’m all ears; so fill me in?

  • He doesn’t have to give his name. I couldn’t care less who he is.

    What he does, however, need to do if he wants to be taken seriously when he tells us vaccines are safe is to put his money where his mouth is and take the entire infant immunisation schedule adjusted for his body weight.

    If he won’t do that then we will continue to believe that a) vaccines are not safe; and b) everybody who claims they are is a hypocrite, coward and liar.

  • Your continued ignorance and stupidity in regard to figuring it out, is just that. Ignorance and stupidity. Wouldn’t you actually like to follow and support an issue that has some truth in it, one day? That instead of the bulwark of vaccine lies and misinformation that you support? Go ahead and list any direct conflicts of interest that you have? Oh that’s right; you fail to even as much as present with as much as a real identity; so why should anyone expect you to list your conflicts of interest?

  • The whole world witnessed that a tiny little protein that can only be seen under an electron tunneling microscope didn’t exist anywhere on the planet?

    How did they do that? How did anybody do that?

    “Every newspaper, news media, our friends and our enemies.”

    All the world believed in slavery until a few hundred years ago – there was, all throughout history, virtually no dissent from governments or media anywhere.

    Ergo, slavery is good.

    QED

  • So your dumb and ignorant arse thinks that only big pharma based clinical trials and specifically 3rd phase clinical trails, show and prove anything at all in regard to physiologically based health care. His patients recovered, and the parental testimonies show that. C’mon Donald, you are in LYING denial of the obvious facts, and reality.

  • Anybody who disagrees with Al Mather is by definition a quack and anything they say – no matter how well referenced – must be wrong.

    Because SCIENCE!!!

  • If the dose is the poison then will you take the entire infant immunisation schedule adjusted for your body weight to prove they are safe Al?

  • You should get your personal BS detection meter fixed. Obviously it has been on the blink, for years.

  • So prove it is only opinion? You know it is no such thing, and that there is to much obvious truth there, and that you would look like an idiot to even try to address and refute that information.

  • Nice broken up copy and paste, and that has now no relevance to anything at all. I don’t give a FN rats behind, who you are. You are just another, and one more mindless, in denial, shill. Like I said go ahead and present with any of your direct conflicts of interest.

  • No answer, imagine that?

  • The real quacks are those that refuse to acknowledge the vaccine injury of infants and children, and as well the infants that die as the result of vaccine injury.

  • Michael McCarthy

    ” Like I said go ahead and present with any of your direct conflicts of interest.”

    you never said that. I don’t believe I have any direct conflicts of interest here, unless the pet trade is now involved in vaccines.

    “You are just another, and one more mindless, in denial, shill”

    So, I am not using my real name and I am a shill to boot, is that correct? Let’s see, it’s going on 8:30 for you, so you must be pretty lit by now. No use arguing with a drunk.

  • So, you refuse the real historical information, and attempt to replace it with another mindless and irrelevant load of bull-crap.

    .. ever tightening ring till small pox was eradicated in a test tube? LOL.

    And with providing zero references, to anything at all.

  • That is your personal opinion that the trolling vaccine shills should be able to continuously reply post on this sites articles, and with zero identity. I am just putting the challenge in front of them, and they refuse to do it. There is as said no reason that they shouldn’t be able to do that. What are they actually scared of? Lets go ahead and have them make a list those cowardly and ridiculous reasons, that they refuse to use any real identity. .

  • I am not here for votes, and nor the approval of anything ever, period. I am here to present with the vaccine truth; and that is all I am ever here to do. I don’t know who that person is, and I don’t care. This site is open and free for anyone to reply post; and so be it.

  • They all say that, ever time. Present with your real identity?

  • Actually I think you know more than you let onto. Been around for a while in my circle, have you? How deep in that circle?

  • Michael McCarthy

    “Present with your real identity?”
    I believe this is, unless my parents lied to me.

  • Michael McCarthy

    “Actually I think you know more than you let onto”

    Maybe. Some people don’t pursue a career in the field in which they studied.

    “Been around for a while in my circle, have you? How deep in that circle?”

    I really wish I knew what you meant by this. I try not to hang around in anti-vax forums.

  • And you reference to me, the WHO? LOL You are nothing but a get vaccinated, falsely fear mongering parrot; and based on false statistics of the largely corrupt and directly connected with big pharma, World Heath Organization. That have absolutely zero basis with any verifiable proof for any of their numbers and extrapolation numbers claims; and more than the CDC does. And as well they have zero science any more than to put forth that, correlation equals causation. Pathetic.

  • They actually and obviously have not done an honest look at the situation since that time, and as far as the studies; and because they within big pharma are not interested in studying the benefits of natural immunity. To do that, would show directly an unnatural and negative aspect to vaccines; and they simply are not allowing that kind of information to be allowed into their pro-vaccine journals.

    Arstechnica is one of the most rabid pro-pharma and pro-vaccine publications existing, anywhere. You won’t find any real truth there.

    Multiple outbreaks listed of both pertussis and measles, and with it found that 80 to 90% of the outbreak was in the fully vaccinated, and on schedule.

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    More Vaccine Reality
    http://www.vacfacts.info/more-vaccine-reality.html

  • Al Mather

    Here’s a nice mix of media,govt,academic, and science references for you to lamely discount as you post counter dogma from anti science, tin foil hat wearing, pseudo science anti vax sites.Usually referencing some outdated info from over 60-160 years ago before the science of the modern era.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/dm79sp.html
    https://web.stanford.edu/group/virus/pox/history.html#Eradication
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6293036
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2491023/
    http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/1/1/25.abstract
    http://www.sciencemag.org/content/196/4296/1298.short
    http://choo.fis.utoronto.ca/fis/courses/lis2102/ko.who.case.html

  • Al Mather

    What the heck does any of that mean?

    A) Because virus are small ..you don’t believe in them?LOL.

    B) This is the modern era.. It was witnessed (not believed in like some political ideology) and reported and the whole world watched.. now anti vaxxers and germ denialists will try to stick their fingers in their ears and close their eyes to the reality of what happened.. http://secularnewsdaily.s3.amazonaws.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Smallpox.jpg

  • If anyone want to know what is currently and really happening within the circles of the vaccine truth issue; take some time to review this information. In how many repeat situations can we point to today, and historically, where they the vaccine promoters, have covered-up and refused to acknowledge the real vaccine truth?

    Explosive: The real reason Holistic Doctors are being killed and vanishing!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALgIHETMDU

    Another Florida Doctor Murdered, Bringing Total to 8 Dead & 5 Missing in Just the Last Month
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/florida-doctor-murdered-bringing-total-8-dead-5-missing-month/#2q674sUW255K4b4T.01

    Holistic cancer treatment pioneer Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez dies suddenly; patients mourn the loss of a compassionate, innovative doctor who helped thousands heal from cancer
    http://www.naturalnews.com/050500_Dr_Nicholas_Gonzalez_unexpected_death_alternative_cancer_treatments.html#ixzz3glmtmoTk

    Chapter 9
    Nagalase: Friend and Foe?
    http://gcmaf.timsmithmd.com/book/chapter/52/

    Dr. Bradstreet, Nagalase, and the Viral Issue in Autism
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/dr-bradstreet-nagalase-and-the-viral-issue-in-autism.html

    GcMAF, nagalase and autism
    http://questioning-answers.blogspot.com/2012/12/gcmaf-nagalase-and-autism.html

    GcMAF for the treatment of cancer, autism, inflammation, viral and bacterial disease
    http://www.faim.org/autism/gcmaf-treatment-cancer-autism-inflammation-viral-bacterial-disease.html

    Clinical experience of integrative cancer immunotherapy with GcMAF.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23780980/

    GcMAF, standard therapy

    http://immunemedicine.com/available-therapies/gcmaf/

    Nicholas Gonzalez, M.D. – Scientifically No Polio Vaccine was Needed

    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/nicholas-gonzalez-m-d-scientifically-no-polio-vaccine-was-needed/

    The Cancer Industry is Too Prosperous to Allow a Cure

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/the-cancer-industry-is-too-prosperous-to-allow-a-cure/

    How Much?! Global Spending on Cancer Medicines Hit $100B Last Year

    http://blogs.wsj.com/pharmalot/2015/05/05/how-much-global-spending-on-cancer-medicines-hit-100b-last-year/

    Making a Killing with Cancer: A 124.6 Billion Dollar Industry

    http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/making-a-killing-with-cancer-a-124-6-billion-dollar-industry-12092013

  • “Because virus are small ..you don’t believe in them?LOL.”

    Why is it that you guys can’t understand basic English? I said that by virtue of the fact they are very small it would be impossible to know for sure they didn’t exist anywhere.

    “This is the modern era.”

    That is what they said in the 18th century. And the 17th and the…

    “and reported and the whole world watched”

    What exactly did they watch? Surely the only thing they observed was a bunch of health bureaucrats give us a whole pile of speculation and opinions. But if you think they observed something more useful then you are welcome to elaborate.

    “close their eyes to the reality of what happened”

    I just want you to tell me what people actually observed. The claim is that the virus doesn’t exist anywhere. That seems an extraordinary claim to me. But the only thing you have posted to support such an astonishing claim is that we live in the present.

    I am sure it is possible to make a more feeble argument to support one’s views but you would have to work at it.

  • By calling anybody who disagrees with you as “anti science, tin foil hat wearing, pseudo science” obviously you must be correct.

    At any rate it is good to know that you believe that the invention of the smallpox and rabies vaccines and the germ theory itself came before the “science of the modern era” and presumably therefore cannot be trusted.

    And don’t you guys learn how to reference at school?

    Let me help you out. You spell out specific facts which you then reference. You then use these facts to construct a coherent argument using your own logic.

    People can decide whether your facts are reasonably supported and your logic is valid.

    Throwing out random links which merely contain opinions or assertions with which you agree is not a valid way of referencing.

    So when you are trying to demonstrate that smallpox was eradicated you cannot merely link to a site that says “smallpox was eradicated”. Rather you need to construct your own logical argument as to what specific observations would be necessary for such a thing to be demonstrated and then provide references supporting the idea that those observations have occurred.

  • AutismDad

    tele-marketers for pharma.

  • Donald Monty

    “The
    CDC actually admit that people have tested positive for smallpox virus since
    they declared it eradicated (http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/
    but they always declared that it must have been a false positive because – in a
    wonderful piece of circular reasoning – smallpox doesn’t exist anymore.”
    That’s just not true. I you click the link you can access the full text and nowhere does it say that.

  • Donald Monty

    I’d love to see it.

  • REVELLINGINTRUTH

    ???? You “cherrypick” this out of all the researched data? YOU pic your poison …not mine – nor MILLIONS of others that are standing up against the FRAUD and DECEPTION you spew. LIES..weve been fed all lies because of SICK manipulators like you are Al…a TROLL and Astroturfer. Again, move EAST where I don’t have to worry about “monkeypox”, “gene therapy”, autoimmune and a myriad of diseases that we have to support because of your poor choices. That would solve everything. We don’t want the weak/feeble minded people like you to push fascism on us. Take your big Pharma and go EAST…

  • Donald Monty

    We all know what would happen and fortunately we will never have to go through that again.

  • Donald Monty

    Quite an understatement there. Actually many, many more people would DIE from measles. Never going to happen.

  • Donald Monty

    Live blood cell analysis is a scam. So is IV vitamin C. Unless I guess if you have a patient with scurvy and maybe a bowel obstruction.

  • Donald Monty

    Don’t you feel you have anger issues, Lowell?

  • ” Widespread smallpox testing, in the absence of disease, is likely to result in false-positive test results with unnecessary and alarming public health and security responses.”

    It also says: “in the absence of endemic smallpox disease, the indiscriminate use of variola tests will [emphasis mine] lead to false positives”.

    http://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/smallpox/diagnosis/pdf/poxalgorithm5-2-14.pdf

    So yes. Yes it does.

  • “I’d love to see it”

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt07-measles.html

    with the quote: ” To minimize the problem of false positive laboratory results, it is important to restrict case investigation and laboratory tests to patients most likely to have measles (i.e., those who meet the clinical case definition, especially if they have risk factors for measles, such as being unvaccinated,[…]”

  • Why did you ask us for our opinions on what would happen and then just proceed to speculate as though we never answered you?

  • Donald Monty

    He was a long-term quack who was treating children with an unlicensed, banned drug in his office.

  • And there is this:

    “Variola, vaccinia, cowpox, monkeypox virions cannot be definitively distinguished by electron microscopy.”

    from http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-phlncd-smallpox.htm

  • Donald Monty

    Even if I were naïve enough to go through your last 12-link list of crap showing exactly why they were BS, you’d just post another 20. You simply try to overwhelm with numbers.

  • And this “In the absence of known smallpox disease, the predictive value of a positive smallpox diagnostic test is extremely low; therefore, testing to rule out smallpox should be limited to cases that fit the clinical case definition in order to lower the risk of obtaining a false-positive test result.”

    http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/smallpox/diagnosis/casedefinition.asp

    Note the part about the “predictive value of a positive smallpox test being low”? Why would they say such a thing if not for the fact that there are many people who test positive (but the authorities decree can’t have the disease because of their feelpinions).

  • Donald Monty

    You want to see more false-positive lab results? More unnecessary quarantines? They’re very sensible recommendations.

  • Donald Monty

    Who is testing positive for smallpox?

  • Donald Monty

    So what? They aren’t using EM to diagnose them.

  • Donald Monty

    Again, who is testing positive for smallpox? You said, “The
    CDC actually admit that people have tested positive for smallpox virus since they declared it eradicated.”

  • Joe Bloggs.

    What kind of a question is that? Are you now saying that I should have access to everybody’s personal medical files?

    Simple question Donald. Given what those quotes say (or any of your own prior knowledge) do you believe that it is possible to have a false positive (or false negative for that matter) test for smallpox?

    If the answer is yes then clearly the statement “smallpox has been eradicated” is highly suspect isn’t it? Indeed it is abject nonsense.

    Even if the tests were 100 per cent definitive it still wouldn’t be sufficient to be able to claim complete eradication (because you can’t test everything and everyone) but given that the tests themselves can give false positives or negatives then the claims of eradication are every kind of stupid.

  • Donald Monty

    Any test can have false positives or negatives. But where’s all this smallpox that hasn’t been eradicated. It’s highly contagious and virulent.

  • It is differentially diagnosed as severe chicken pox/monkey pox etc.

    http://newsjharkhand.com/Topstories.asp?Details=2391

    “Any test can have false positives or negatives”

    Then why did you ask the question in the first place?

  • “So what? They aren’t using EM to diagnose them.”

    Ummm, they aren’t diagnosing them at all because in their minds the disease has been eradicated and any evidence to the contrary is dismissed on those grounds.

    The point is though that the tests to prove that someone does or does not have smallpox are not definitive. This means that the claim “smallpox is eradicated” can be nothing other than a barefaced lie.

    Smallpox outbreaks have occurred subsequently but in each case (as in the Jharkand example) the authorities run in and say “it can’t be smallpox because smallpox doesn’t exist anymore”

    https://in.news.yahoo.com/no-small-pox-jharkhand-officials-20110323-072650-973.html

    Note the health official declaring that there was no smallpox even before the tests had been done.

  • If you don’t know the names of everybody who died from smallpox in the 19th century does that mean that they didn’t?

    Fine by me. We will just count up those people who we know for a fact died from smallpox in history (with lab confirmation proving a causal link to the virus) and that will be the new base number of smallpox deaths from which we will evaluate the vaccine.

    Now, approximately how many people who meet that criteria do you reckon there are Donald?

  • “You want to see more false-positive lab results?”

    What a surprise. I gave you exactly what you asked for and you just looked for a feeble way to rationalise it.

    It is irrelevant to this issue whether you think it a good idea for the CDC to provide said instructions, what matters is that you can’t use data derived *under those instructions* to evaluate the vaccine’s efficacy because it leads to a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    For all we know, the entire fall in measles that we have seen doesn’t reflect in any way on an actual fall in the number of kids with rash and fever but purely the fact that these diseases are being renamed due to, amongst other reasons, doctors not wanting to diagnose them in vaccinated patients.

    It must suck for you Donald. You came here all guns blazing only to be told something that completely obliterates your world view.

    But no matter, you are a vaccine fanatic and groupthinker so I am sure you are more than capable of finding various methods of rationalising all this.

    And by the way, why on earth would I recommend quarantining anybody? If these diseases were so incredibly dangerous and contagious then doctors would have the lifespan of a fruitfly. Doctors do not have the lifespan of a fruitfly, ergo these disease are not incredibly dangerous/contagious.

    QED

  • Al Mather

    Reading is important .. I said the sites that Lowell would come back with would be anti science quack sites.. not anyone who disagrees with me ..that is a straw man.
    Yes germ theory and vaccines came before the modern era of science..therefore we use current methodology and technology to verify and progress..science is like that. It builds on itself. But again…. I never said or implied everything discovered before the modern era was not to be trusted.Just that we don’t rely an look to outdated science for understanding. Straw man.
    My previous comment explained that the entire world’s academia, media , newspapers witnessed something, to which Lowell complained I had no reference.. therefore a list of media, academia, and newspapers to support my previous assertion is an entirely appropriate response. But thanks for trying to help. Next time look at the context.

  • Al Mather

    What they watched were outbreaks all over the world of a very visible and horrible disease which was killing over 1.5 million people yearly worldwide.. getting encircle by vaccination teams who would stay until no new cases emerged. Till one day in 1979 they claimed they had eradicated the virus. The virus exists in labs.. it has no known animal or insect host. I’d be interested in your theory of where it might exist.

  • Donald Monty

    Are you saying the 3 cases in that article were really smallpox but were misdiagnosed as chicken pox or monkey pox? Based on what? It doesn’t mention any test results at all, certainly not false positives. The CDC isn’t mentioned either. So I ask you again to explain your statement “The CDC actually admit that people have tested positive for smallpox virus since they declared it eradicated.”

  • Donald Monty

    Where have smallpox outbreaks occurred since its eradication?

  • Al Mather

    Okay..I’ll bite. What’s with all the EAST comments??

    You said
    “LOLOLOLOL as a matter of fact, my resources are validated with deep scientific research..”
    I’m not cherry picking I just look at the most obvious turd in the pile and point to it. So ..tell me about Homeopathy.

  • Donald Monty

    You’re just dodging and dodging.

  • Al Mather

    Also..as far as me “name calling” by saying “anti science, tin foil hat wearing, pseudo science”…I had just been told that my references from PBS, Stanford, Oxford Journal, U of Toronto, Science Magazine, and the National Center for Biotechnology.. are “another mindless and irrelevant load of bull-crap.” As he responds with Vaccination Council, and Sherri Tenpenny blogs.

  • Al Mather

    The link you provide is about diagnosis.. not testing. In case of a bio terror attack (SP still may exist in clandestine labs) there needs to be field protocol for diagnosis. Basically they are saying there are other diseases that present like SP. Here’s what you should do.They can now definitively run PCR for smallpox. Smallpox has 2 strains.. the deadly one kills about 20-45% of the people who contract it. Even 3% of the vaccinated succumb..

  • Donald Monty

    You’re right, Tristan, you’ve told me something that has completely obliterated my worldview. My God, I’ve been blind. The graph I posted-what a joke! It wasn’t double-blind! Ha! How ironic! I was BLIND to DOUBLE-BLIND! Why, measles vaccines didn’t really help at all! Doctors just don’t want to diagnose measles in vaccinated people anymore because…well it doesn’t matter I know you know the reason…and they are just purposely misdiagnosing it as something else. They all have malpractice insurance, right?And the measles testing? What a joke! We need to be testing everyone on the planet, all 7+ billion of us, every day! No! Twice a day! Where’s the petition?

  • Al Mather

    You conveniently left out the word “diagnostic” … “predictive value of a positive smallpox diagnostic test being low” is how it actually reads.. this is about setting protocol for diagnosis.. NOT actual testing…cultures or PCR…which you knew.

  • Al Mather

    You may be correct.. the evidence that it has been eradicated may be circumstantial .. since the disease has no known animal or insect host that we know of.. takes days to incubate.. and no one has shown contracted it that we know of in over 36 years…from millions a year to ZERO for over 3 decades.. we make a bold assumption.

  • Donald Monty

    “What are they actually scared of? Lets go ahead and have them make a list of those cowardly and ridiculous reasons, that they refuse to use any real identity.”
    #1 Lowell’s profile pic

  • Al Mather

    Your kid struggled in high school…must be those damn vaccines.
    You missed one important bit of history in all your CENTURY OLD Smallpox info.
    1968 WHO brings the world Govts and aide orgs together for a massive orchestrated and high organized Ring Vaccination campaign and using nothing more than millions of donated vaccines and a special needle developed for the task.. completely wipes out a disease that killed millions upon millions for centuries. From 1.5 million per year in 1968…to ZERO in 12 years of dedicated vaccination campaign.

  • sabelmouse

    i wonder who came up with that.

  • sabelmouse

    every day i’m being told that there are that many measles deaths now! which is it.

  • sabelmouse

    it’s not a matter of belief.

  • sabelmouse

    given how low negative outcome levels were in the 60s, pre vaccine that makes no sense.not as long as they’re well nourished ectr. i grant you that THAT might be a problem the way things are going.

  • sabelmouse

    i am screaming with laughter.

  • Donald Monty

    Hmm…looks like Princeton, Emory, the NIH and Erasmus University in the Netherlands. It’s an international conspiracy, right?

  • sabelmouse

    you seem to think that corporate power only exists in the usa.

  • Capt Ron

    Historical information haphazardly collected in the crudest possible manner a century or more ago? I much prefer modern data.

  • Capt Ron

    Yes… That hygiene & pure water preventing infectious disease transmission erroneous meme keeps popping up like “Whack-a-Mole”! Smallpox is spread by close contact by respiratory transmission via saliva and respiratory droplets from coughing and sneezing victims.

  • Capt Ron

    Your linked article abstract states that ONE person was tested for smallpox… The full article documents that the testing was negative.

    http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/39/10/1477.long

  • Capt Ron

    I would think that if smallpox were, in fact, diagnosed now it would be quite an incident splashed in the media! OH – But I forgot that there’s an international conspiracy by the Illuminati and the WHO to suppress such news!

  • Al Mather

    “To which Lowell can not and and in any way of honesty respond which is not from and by ridiculous lying anti vax outdated sources, which I and in all honesty do respond with references of respected viable esteemed and established sources unlike those that he and always in his denial of science and knowledge provide from lying references as VacFCks.”
    Had to try a Lowellism after that one. I’m getting the hang of it.

  • Al Mather

    You forget who controls the media… The Rothschild/Gates/Rockefeller triad ..who.. in cahoots with Isreal.. co own all news sources with their minor equity partner Monsanto. It’s 51% Big Pharma Reptillian Overlords, 20% Monsanto,20% Koch Bros, and surprisingly 9% that douche who owns Papa John’s Pizza. That million pizza give away at Super Bowl….. they all had aluminum adjuvants.

  • Al Mather

    Obvious answer is …when you are in online discussion you are in a group which has all agreed to certain terms, they all have an opinion on a certain topic, and they have chosen a forum to openly express those opinions, that is agreed upon. The discussion of the topic IS THE POINT.You are not agreeing to have that discussion with your kids, your employer, your spouse,your friends or your enemies.
    You haven’t withheld your name.. and with your visible and verifiable “history”… I think you probably should have Lowell. It’s not a matter of truth .. it’s the sanity of keeping your privacy, keeping Facebook for your friends and loved ones, and also having a place to voice your strong honest opinions on perhaps sensitive or controversial subjects.

  • There’s a point there somewhere.

  • “therefore we use current methodology and technology to verify and progress”

    Then why don’t you find me one of these verifications that are not completely circular?

  • “My previous comment explained that the entire world’s academia, media , newspapers witnessed something, to which Lowell complained I had no reference”

    But you didn’t give us any direct observations that people actually had – just their perceptions/opinions on what happened.

    Most people believe that every man and his dog was in an iron lung in the 1950s because the media often showed photos of iron lung wards, giving the impression such a picture was played out in every hospital in the US. In actual fact there were only 1200 iron lungs in all the US at the height of the polio epidemic.

    Perception does not always equal reality. And that is true even if many people have the same perception.

  • Al Mather

    From this…
    “There is as said no reason that they shouldn’t be able to do that. What are they actually scared of? Lets go ahead and have them make a list of those cowardly and ridiculous reasons, that they refuse to use any real identity. .”
    To this…
    “I am here to present with the vaccine truth; and that is all I am ever here for and to do. I don’t know who that person is, and I don’t care. This site is open and free for anyone to reply post; and so be it”
    Meds kick in?

    So the criteria is disagreeing with Lowell. (and posting valid references for respected valid sources)

  • “What they watched were outbreaks all over the world of a very visible and horrible disease which was killing over 1.5 million people yearly worldwide.”

    No they didn’t. No one person could possibly witness such a thing.

    “getting encircle by vaccination teams who would stay until no new cases emerged.”

    “Until no new cases emerged”? I can’t believe you wrote that. What a ridiculous thing to say. I waited at my house to see if any accidents happened yesterday morning and none did. Ergo nobody will ever have an accident ever again.

    QED

    FMD

    ” Till one day in 1979 they claimed they had eradicated the virus”

    Hahahahahahahahahaha!!! Even if we were to accept your woeful logic you are completely wrong anyway. They declared it to be eradicated even when people still had smallpox. They *assumed* that because they had vaccinated people in their surrounding villages that they must have had it contained. That is all it was. An assumption. But once it had been made, nobody had any interest in raining on anybody’s parade.

    The probably all believed it. But, you see, they all desperately *wanted* to believe it.

    And that is why their opinions are every kind of worthless.

    ” it has no known animal or insect host”

    Wow! What an amazing thing to say given that no mere mortal could possibly know such a thing. Given that you clearly have omniscience would you mind telling me the lottery numbers this week champ?

  • Sigh!

    Let me help you out on this champ.
    There are two steps for you to make when you perpetuate the nonsense that smallpox has been eradicated.
    1) Definitively show that nobody has experienced it since it was declared gone.
    2) Show that we can safely extrapolate 1) to “nobody will ever experience it ever again” (barring biological weapons use).

    Now, you guys can’t even think about 2) yet because it is clear that 1) is nothing more than gross speculation. If the testing is not definitive (either for positive or negative), and even the great minds at the CDC admit this is the case, then clearly even if we tested everybody we still couldn’t be sure nobody had it. And the absence of any known symptoms don’t help your cause because clearly many people today have symptoms that might have been construed as smallpox 50 years ago.

  • “Smallpox has 2 strains.. the deadly one kills about 20-45% of the people who contract it. Even 3% of the vaccinated succumb..”

    I can make up facts too!

    When has this idea been tested? How was it tested?

    Please don’t tell me it was just an assumption.

    “The link you provide is about diagnosis.. not testing.”

    I provided several links.

    “Basically they are saying there are other diseases that present like SP”

    Yes I know. They are intimating that if the person doesn’t work at a bioweapons lab then no matter what symptoms they have and no matter what the lab results show – they don’t have smallpox because it doesn’t exist anymore.

  • Que? Did you not read the last part of the quote where they actually say “false-positive”?

    “this is about setting protocol for diagnosis.. NOT actual testing”

    I don’t think you understand. The diagnostic test refers to the whole thing – symptoms and lab results.

    As I say, the CDC is intimating that “no matter what symptoms the patient has and no matter what lab results show they don’t have smallpox (other than those people who work in bioweapons labs) because smallpox doesn’t exist anymore.

  • “and no one has contracted it that we know of in over 36 years”

    And if we had applied the same criteria to possible smallpox patients 100 years ago as we do them today then it is likely there would have been zero cases back then too.

    Do you not follow this at all Al?

    We are comparing apples to oranges.

    “And if somebody ever proves that a couple little strands of SP DNA were found lurking in a previously unknown host,”

    Ok. So what you are saying is that there have never ever been any positive PCR tests for smallpox virus in all that time (and there were lots and lots before)?

    Is this what you are saying Al?

  • I told you. It is called severe chicken pox/monkey pox etc.

  • “Are you saying the 3 cases in that article were really smallpox but were misdiagnosed as chicken pox or monkey pox? Based on what?”

    Are you saying that all those severe chicken pox cases in the third world in the 1960s were really smallpox?

    Based on what?

    “The CDC isn’t mentioned either.”

    The CDC isn’t mentioned in the links to the CDC website?

  • Jharkand for one.

    It is very simple Donald. You need to show the fall in smallpox is real.

    That means you need to show a consistent application of the diagnostic protocol for smallpox in all that time.

    Now, can you do this?

  • Yes because bureaucracies are always looking for ways to publicly humiliate themselves.

    You know it makes sense.

    I do love this notion that everybody always freely admits to their massive mistakes that you clowns make. It must be nice to live on your planet.

  • Conspiracies never happen.

    That is why there is no such thing as terrorism, gangs, organised crime, hostile foreign militaries etc.

    At any rate I have no doubt people believe in the eradication of smallpox. It is a lovely fairy tale so why wouldn’t they?

    The fact that it makes no sense has never stopped anybody before – and whenever someone points out a bleeding obvious fact like “how could any mere mortal have known that the virus didn’t exist anywhere?” people just find some ridiculous way to rationalise their continuing belief in said fairy tale.

  • “Doctors just don’t want to diagnose measles in vaccinated people anymore because…well it doesn’t matter I know you know the reason…and they are just purposely misdiagnosing it as something else.”

    And so now you just resort to blatant lying. You asked me for doctors receiving instructions to differentially diagnose in vaccinated patients which I duly gave you.

    You then said “well yeah that makes sense – of course they have to do that”

    To which I responded “it doesn’t matter if you think it makes sense or not it renders all the data invalid – a self-fulfilling prophecy”.

    Now you just go back to saying “oh no it never happens because doctors have no reason to differentially diagnose on the basis of immunisation status”.

    But then why did you say they *should* differentially diagnose on the basis of vaccination status Donald? Why?

    Like I said, they do it because they believe the vaccine works and because they are instructed to. Pretty simple concept really.

    But I look forward to your next piece of obfuscatory bullshit.

  • Al Mather

    Exactly what aspects of smallpox eradication do you feel are fantasy Tristan?

  • Al Mather

    No because the technology did not exist… But there are culture tests that did. And yes I am saying there have been no cases of smallpox since 1979..

  • Donald Monty

    You need to stop just making things up. Prove that was smallpox in Jharkand.

  • Al Mather

    Got ANY evidence of that claim…besides a link to doctors and health officials saying it WASN’T smallpox (which I know anti vaxxer conspiracy speak means it undeniably WAS)

  • Donald Monty

    You’re dodging. You know the CDC hasn’t reported any positive smallpox testing in people since it was eradicated. That was the CDC link. And you know the 3 cases in Jharkhand (the Jharkland link) turned out to be a false alarm.

  • Donald Monty

    You know the Jharkhand cases were a false alarm. Where’s all the smallpox?

  • Donald Monty

    So the only evidence you can provide that smallpox wasn’t eradicated is your personal belief that it wasn’t.

  • “Smallpox is spread by close contact by respiratory transmission via saliva and respiratory droplets from coughing and sneezing victims.”

    How do you know this?

    And please for the love all that is holy don’t link to some guy with a PhD giving us the same opinion.

    Provide an observation that you or someone else has made to that effect.

  • “That hygiene & pure water preventing infectious disease transmission erroneous meme keeps popping up like “Whack-a-Mole”!”

    Kind of like the idea that vaccines saved millions of lives despite the fact that the widespread use of vaccinations in the developed world (c1950) was followed by a deceleration in life expectancy improvements. And a similar story has been played out in developing countries.

    Germs are ubiquitous. Fighting them with vaccines is like taking a bucket, dipping it into the ocean, pouring the contents onto land and declaring the days of drowning to be behind us.

  • And like I said. Referencing an opinion is completely different to referencing a fact.

    You think that referencing an opinion from somebody important that agrees with you makes your arguments sound.

    On the other hand you believe that if we reference a fact from someone you don’t like then we are making a fallacious argument.

  • “But there are culture tests that did”

    Hooray!!!! So we are comparing apples to oranges.

    And were they used in 100 per cent (or even the vast majority) of smallpox diagnoses Al? Or would it be reasonable to say that the vast majority of smallpox cases in history were diagnosed on symptoms alone.

    Indeed, even that is being kind. The vast majority of smallpox diagnoses in history have been done by people who never saw the patient. And by never saw the patient I don’t just mean never saw them when they were sick but never saw them at all and indeed, never even knew if they existed.

    Such is the out and out disgrace that is epidemiology where blind guesswork gets called SCIENCE!!!

    So I guess I was too kind before saying we were comparing apples to oranges. More like apples to quasars.

    “And yes I am saying there have been no cases of smallpox since 1979..”

    That’s great. But that isn’t what I asked Al. I asked you if you knew for a fact that there had never been a positive test with PCR for smallpox since 1979.

    That would be quite strange because according to this, they found a few positive results http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC179856/

    Note that that paper was in 2003 and they – according to you – found definitive proof that the smallpox virus exists.

  • “You know the CDC hasn’t reported any positive smallpox testing in people since it was eradicated.”

    Of course I know this. But because I don’t start off with the assumption that bureaucrats are omniscient angels amongst men that means a lot less to me than it does to you.

    “And you know the 3 cases in Jharkhand (the Jharkland link) turned out to be a false alarm.”

    No. We were told it was a false alarm. See my above point about bureaucrats.

    It really is quite pathetic your approach. I say “what we were told by the bureaucrats makes no sense”. Instead of telling me why it does make sense you just keep on staring blankly into space and saying “yes but Tristan, don’t you understand? The bureaucrats tell us this so it must be true.”

  • Why would I know this?

    If a bunch of kids had got pox and died 200 years ago they almost certainly would have been described as having smallpox. You are welcome to provide evidence that that isn’t true and that they applied the same criteria back then as they do now. I don’t mind. But the ball is in your court.

  • The evidence is that there were phenomena in Jharkand that would have been sufficient to diagnose as smallpox 200 years ago.

    As I say to Donald, if you don’t believe this I don’t mind. But if you want *me* to believe that we have been consistent with our applications of diagnostic criteria of smallpox all throughout history then you need to provide some evidence for this.

  • Prove it was smallpox in South America that killed ten million (or whatever the number was supposed to be) natives.

    Do you not see the problem champ?

    *You* are the one making the positive case so you need to show a consistent application of diagnostic criteria all throughout history and from that you then have to find sufficient cause to extrapolate that we will never see it again.

    In other words, you want me to believe an extraordinary claim but the one and only thing you have is “bureaucrats and politicians say so and they are omniscient angels amongst men”.

    I am not saying you couldn’t make a worse argument. But you would have to work at it.

  • And the only evidence you can provide is the say so of bureaucrats and politicians.

    And by the way. I have positive results for PCR for smallpox. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC179856/

    I also have outbreaks of disease that would have been diagnosed as smallpox 200 years ago.

  • The idea that it has been eradicated.

  • “And the measles testing? What a joke! We need to be testing everyone on the planet, all 7+ billion of us, every day! No! Twice a day! Where’s the petition?”

    Ummm, I don’t think you quite understand how this works so I will help you out.

    *You* think presence of measles virus matters. I don’t. You also think that there are less people with said virus today than there were 50 years ago.

    Now, if you want me to accept the latter then you are obliged to do a test of this manner.

    Of course, as I never claimed anything about the presence of the measles virus I wouldn’t be interested in such a test regardless. But that is the criteria that *you* need to fulfill to make your data valid.

    Now, there is other data though that might just corroborate your story which would be easier to access. You see, the measles vaccine was introduced with the promise that it would bring about a reduction in total deafness and encephalitis (because they are supposedly complications of measles). So if you can find data that supports the idea that there has been a *total* (note it can’t be something that has been blamed on measles because that is another circularity) fall in encephalitis or deafness then you will have something that might just help your case.

    Luckily for you, I have already found some material along these lines. Would you like to see them?

  • Al Mather

    One kid with nasty chicken pox may have been diagnosed as Smallpox 200 years ago…I agree with that being a possibility. But not 35 years ago. So no I would not expect YOU to believe that the applications of diagnostic criteria of smallpox all throughout history have been consistent as it seems those who deny the efficacy of vaccines love to dwell in the 18th and 19th centuries.

  • “But not 35 years ago.”

    So when does the historical time series data become valid and why?

    “So no I would not expect YOU to believe that the applications of diagnostic criteria of smallpox all throughout history have been consistent as it seems those who deny the efficacy of vaccines love to dwell in the 18th and 19th centuries.”

    This sentence makes no sense. Should I believe in 18th and 19th century diagnoses or not?

    And if for example, I should only believe in historical diagnoses going back to say, 1950, wouldn’t that dramatically mitigate the benefits that we can lay at the feet of the smallpox vaccine?

    I just don’t know where you are trying to go with this.

  • Oh and yes. Also the fact that if someone says “I know X to be true” when it is not possible for them to know such a thing then it is a reasonable inference that they are lying.

  • Ruth

    I think the real issue is that America is deteriorating into fascism, with nary a peep from ordinary people. Sad, just sad. Since this is obviously going to be worse than Hitler’s day.

    -http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/mandatory-vaccinations-afoot-medical-fascism/

  • You mean like data for influenza hospitalisations since the widespread use of flu shots?

    They have risen by the way. So why do you believe that fly shots are a good idea?

  • Ruth

    I think you should not expect this issue, or any issue on the ‘alternative’ media which is confronting the reality of how things really are, to not be thoroughly infiltrated on every level.

  • Ruth

    Excerpt from above article:
    “To pharmaceutical companies, profits from vaccines are at stake, in amounts that most of us cannot fathom. The vaccine market in 2013 was estimated at $25 billion. [3] By 2016, revenues from vaccines are expected to reach $52 billion. [4]”
    This explains everything. It’s all about money.

  • Julie Berry Clark

    Double their revenues from just 3 years ago by forcing their toxic vaccines on innocent children, and uninformed adults. Criminals.

  • Shirley Mancuso

    It’s time for you to do some research Al. Some of the diseases still existed and they just renamed them to prove efficacy. Other vaccines were offered after things were already eradicated. And THAT still isn’t the point. It is not about whether they work or not. It is about the fact that they cause injury and death and it is being denied.

  • Shirley Mancuso

    all of your sources and funded by Big Pharma. Big difference.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    The last wild case in the us was circa 1949.

  • Ruth

    They’re soon going to be forcing the injection of GMOs into adults too. Dr Joseph Mengle would approve, no doubt. I think he might even consider it a job well done.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMw2n8RIXVI

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Sources please

  • Katia

    What a joke! Salk’s vaccine was killed, not live.

    That’s as far as I’m going to go with your Gish-gallop!

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Did you read the article? I just did. The variola specimens tested were from a case in Bangladesh in 1975.

    The authors of the article hypothesize that any mixed results were the result of lab contamination of the samples.

    The known lab samples of the variola virus are in the hands of the Russians and the cdc.

    If anything the article demonstrates that smallpox hasn’t been isolated from the wild since circa 1977.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Well stated!

  • guest

    Smallpox is not eradicated and still isn’t. In fact, no disease has been eradicated from vaccines. If that was the case you could have answered the question with validating and verifiable studies and data:

    Provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

    “a disease which was responsible for the deaths of approx. 1.5 million a year 50 years ago? I’d say that is a desperate grasp.”

    Please provide substantiating data for this comment.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Variola major is classified into five clinical categories, each associated with a different level of severity of disease:

    ●Ordinary type
    ●Modified type
    ●Flat type
    ●Hemorrhagic type
    ●Variola sine eruptione
    All of these forms have a characteristic rash except for variola sine eruptione. The following descriptions refer to observations in the past before smallpox was eradicated.

    WHO. The global eradication of smallpox: Final report of the global commission for the certification of smallpox eradication. History of International Public Health, No. 4. Geneva: World Health Organization, 1980.

    Fenner F, Henderson DA, Arita I, et al. Smallpox and its eradication, World Health Organization, Geneva 1988.

  • Julie Berry Clark

    I’m afraid you’re right, Ruth. So sad how hard out soldiers fought to overthrow Naziism just 70 years ago, and now we’re throwing it all away and welcoming the Nazis in.

  • No. The last case admitted to was back then. We have no idea whether there have been cases of smallpox since then because we do not diagnose today on the same basis that we did back then.

  • Is it that hard to type “differential diagnosis smallpox” in google?

    Anyway, here you are:

    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/237229-differential

    With:

    Enteroviruses, Herpes Simplex, Herpes Zoster, Impetigo, Influenza [an interesting one], Malaria, Meningitis, Meningococcemia, Poxviruses, Rickettsialpox

  • Katia

    ” I’m now glade that he caught the disease which means it will improve his children’s prospect of resisting the disease with true and natural immunity.

    I had the measles,
    chicken pox and mumps when I was a child”

    Now what’s the fallacy here? YOU had measles, which supposedly should have improve YOUR children’s prospect of resisting the disease with “true and natural immunity”. Seems it didn’t happen! Hmmm. Why not? Because that’s not how immunity works! As a (presumed) male, you wouldn’t even pass on any antibodies to your kids in utero, to give them passive (goes away) immunity, let alone pass on any active immunity. If that were the case, these diseases would have died out a few millennia ago.

  • Ummm, it still proves the point that PCR can supposedly give false positives.

    But regardless. Here you go:

    http://www.who.int/csr/disease/smallpox/abstract_meyer.pdf

    “Here we demonstrated that especially with certain cowpox viruses false-positive “variola virus” amplifications occurred.”

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    From your own link

    Discussion

    With use of the rash algorithm, no patients reported to the CDC consultation hotline for suspected smallpox during the period of 2002 through June 2004 were classified as being at high risk of having smallpox. From September through December 2001, before systematic use of the algorithm, calls to the CDC regarding suspected smallpox cases resulted in 8 instances of variola virus testing (the results of which were all negative). In 2002, one case of great concern to state health officials was tested for smallpox virus after VZV results were determined to be negative 

    Unbelievable that you would post a link and claim it stated the exact opposite of what it said.

    ZERO cases were classified as smallpox….

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    CLINICAL FEATURES — As noted above, smallpox occurred in two forms: variola major, which was a serious illness with a mortality rate of 30 to 50 percent in unvaccinated persons, and variola minor, which was a milder infection with a mortality rate of less than 1 percent [2]. In general, smallpox was most severe in infants, the elderly, and in the impaired host, particularly those with T cell deficits. Milder forms of infection were observed in patients with a history of smallpox immunization.

    The case definition is fairly consistent.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    The paper does not say that the samples were obtained from the wild in 2003. It quite clearly states that the samples tested were obtained in 1975.

  • Lying and slanderous blog pages are not truth, and 95% of it is false and unverifiable. Blog pages created by any blogger who attacks any person with a full identity, and while having zero identity of their own; and just because they want as well use that to falsely discredit and personally attack; and simply because they know that person has a strong history of putting to much and more vaccine truth out there than they can deal with, and in their continued denial; is simply nothing but the evidence of pure evil at work. Your desperation as well to false discredit and destroy, is all to evident. I am wondering if there is anything at all that you can submit with Mr so called Mather, that isn’t largely made of your own delusions?

    If you work in the medical profession and field, if you want to argue with your vaccine denial and make denial of every last vaccine fact submitted here; then you can as well have the fortitude to submit with your name and identity. The truth is that none of you would reply to to anything at all here, if that was required of you. How many just straight up and paid off vaccine shills do we as well have reply posting on these articles? Those people as well would never reply post on any of this, if they had to use a real identity; and quite obviously. Just go to any media source that has since use of character names, changed over to facebook profiles only. There is literally little to nothing reply posted, and in regard to what use to be a hot bed of trolling shills, and people in the mode of full on denial of any and all vaccine truth, and with the refusal to accept any information and studies at all that were not pro-vaccine. It is as well clearly a matter of integrity, and honesty.

  • And was that supposed to make any sense, at all? You can submit you facebook profile with nothing but a pancake or an apple for a profile picture; if you are that afraid to use your real picture? So go ahead and do it?

  • “Variola major is classified into five clinical categories, each associated with a different level of severity of disease:”

    Why did you tell me this or send me the link to the final report? I couldn’t care less what a bunch of bureaucrats imagined to be true one day. If any of them observed something specific then you are welcome to elaborate and then explain using your own logic how that proves that smallpox used to kill millions of people and now kills precisely nobody.

    Do you have any evidence at all that the specific virus classifications result in different levels of mortality? I suspect you don’t but you are welcome to provide it if you do.

  • The only thing that you accept are the pro-vaccine journal studies and sources. You refuse all forms of independent and unbiased research. And what criteria is that; your criteria? In fact the real studies and the information clearly point to that you have nothing at all. Why couldn’t you actually answer the question in regard to existing safety studies that have been done on the current CDC vaccine schedule? You keep getting buried in vaccine truth information and that you again and again can ot even begin to respond to any honesty, and time after time; other than at best to just throw again and again at it, your only false discreditation mud and poo.

    Thanks for all the copy and pasted of that collage and in taking and twisting anything that you could, out of context.

  • Al Mather

    Lowell you keep responding with that same comment regardless of whether it applies to the comment thread.. is it something you just go to when you’re tired?

  • “ZERO cases were classified as smallpox”

    I am well aware that zero cases have been classified as smallpox Viking and I honestly don’t recall saying that all cases of suspected smallpox have tested positive for it (but perhaps I have and you will provide the quote). I said that if we used the same criteria to evaluate possible smallpox cases today as we did 200 years ago then it is likely that it would be deemed that there are cases of it today.

    But we don’t and what is more it is impossible to know that a tiny little protein doesn’t exist anywhere on the planet so the claim “smallpox has been eradicated” is abject nonsense.

  • The CDC itself states that 1 child in 6 now has a developmental disability.And so you are going to tell me that as well this has always been? What is it then if not vaccines; to many bowls of Froot Loops, and Cheetos snacks?

  • Al Mather

    Okay Lowell…calm down. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Gosh …you’re such a bossy Betty.

  • Ok, so you think that the correlation equals causation numbers, and the extrapolated numbers of the CDC and WHO are much more reliable than the real history recorded by the people that lived in those time era’s and as well that which was stated within the medical profession, at the time. No thank you. I prefer the real history as it was recorded at the time.

  • Yes that’s right. Apart from the fact that today most doctors don’t look for it because they don’t believe it exists and even if they do they would be required to complete a lab test and even then the health agencies would more than likely describe it as a false positive.

    But other than that the method of diagnosing it is *exactly* the same as it was 200 years ago.

    FMD.

    Why did you type out such drivel thinking it was a killer argument?

    And even then your assertion is every kind of stupid. How could a doctor diagnose on the basis of the above? How does having a 30-50 per cent chance of dying sometime in the future enable the doctor the ability to distinguish between you having smallpox or chicken pox – or for that matter rabies or violent head trauma?

    I have been arguing this for a long time and each and every vaccine fanatic is an abject fool but I reckon this post takes the cake. You actually think that doctors can use the prognosis to make the diagnosis???!!!???

  • Small pox vaccine in its day created more and larger outbreaks of small pox than it prevented. I prefer the real history as recorded at the time; rather than the actually unverifiable correlation equals causation numbers that the CDC and WHO have put forth..

  • “The authors of the article hypothesize that any mixed results were the result of lab contamination of the samples.”

    And? Why would I care if they come up with an explanation that is consistent with their prejudices?

  • Really? Let the public readers be the judge of that. We have heard enough of your dishonesty, denial, and biased opinion.

    VacFacts
    http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • And I must say I find it odd that here you provide five different types of smallpox but below you told me there were just two and this categorisation has been applied consistently over time.

    I also love how you admit that there is variola sine eruption.

    Please explain Viking, how the great minds of medical science could possibly have known that there was no such virus anywhere on the planet when many people could have the virus asymptomatically?

    I suspect I know what your answer will be to which I will respond in advance with “what about influenza?” but we will see.

  • These articles do not have any verifiable facts in them. Some do not have any real nor usable information in them at all. We say this number occurred and we say that number occurred, and it is the same unproven information that I have read 100 times before. Nothing new, here.

    World Health Organization declares smallpox eradicated
    1980
    Eradication of Small Pox

    Rev Infect Dis. 1982 Sep-Oct;4(5):916-30.
    A successful eradication campaign. Global eradication of smallpox.(in India)

    Bull World Health Organ. 1987; 65(4): 535–546.
    Principles and lessons from the smallpox eradication programme* (India and Ethiopia)

    Epidemiology in the Global Eradication of Smallpox
    Henderson, D. A. (Smallpox Eradication Unit, W.H.O., Geneva). Epidemiology in the global eradication of smallpox. Int J. Epid. 1972,

    NEWS & COMMENT
    Smallpox: Outbreak in Somalia Slows Rapid Progress Toward Eradication

    The World Health Organization Smallpox Eradication Programme

  • Your claims as to so called vaccine caused smallpox eradication, are just about as bogus as the quackery known as chicken pox (varicella) eradication, which has lead to a major increase in shingles. Enter, the shingles vaccine, and around it goes; more vaccine profits for everyone. The vaccine promoters do not understand the concept of doing more harm than good. What about as well when the vaccine is no longer providing any protection, and a woman in her 20’s that is pregnant, gets a case of varicella. Oh what, just keep re-vaccinating, for life?

    Varicella and Shingles Vaccine – For Profit Quackery
    http://www.vacfacts.info/varicella-and-shingles-vaccine—for-profit-quackery.html

    You have already ignored all of the reference material that I gave in regard to small pox, so it isn’t any use resubmitting that.

  • Not at all. That reply is obviously and entirely applicable to your reply statements. I think it is more-so of an issue of your repeat refusal to face the truth and reality of your situation.

  • I simply state it just like it is. So are you actually having as problem with that? And why is that? You seem to have a strong aversion, to actual truth and reality? No matter what kind of trash you post here, you simply can not be wrong.

  • Donald Monty

    First you say, “The CDC actually admit that people have tested positive for smallpox virus since they declared it eradicated.” Now you say of course you know they didn’t.
    And you’ve still provided nothing to show the cases in Jharkhand were smallpox. You’re just making crap up.

  • Donald Monty

    You’re dodging again. We’re not living 200 years ago. The Jharkhand cases were in 2011. You say they were smallpox so prove it.

  • Donald Monty

    The problem, champ, is when you’re asked to prove your statement that the Jharkhand cases were smallpox, you can’t.

  • Donald Monty

    Lol I read that 3 times and have no idea what you’re saying.

  • Donald Monty

    My head is spinning.

  • Donald Monty

    Those GMOs turn your eyes blue?

  • Ruth

    Explosive: The real reason Holistic Doctors are being killed and vanishing!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
    Oh yes, that first one truly is explosive!

  • Al Mather

    Ring vaccination. Outbreaks were surrounded and contained. It took vigilance, a decade, and millions of donated vaccines.

  • Al Mather

    Your interpretation.Not reading it that way.

  • Al Mather

    My “situation”?? What situation is that Lowell.. the topic was..
    using Disqus with real ID. And you seem to care passionately about it for some people …and couldn’t care less about others..

  • Donald Monty

    Based only on personal beliefs.

  • Capt Ron

    Another erroneous meme. Vaccine sales are only a small fraction of total drug company profits internationally and the margin for vaccines is the lowest of all their products. The big bucks are in newly patented medicines. Just a few years ago, there were twice as many companies producing vaccines but many have dropped out because their cost of development and production versus profit margin was too small. Most vaccines today are sold in large lots at discount to state and regional public health departments and to governmental organizations – notably to the military services. Most state departments of health provide the vaccines FREE to clinics for vaccinating children and there are established limits as to what can be charged for adult vaccinations.

  • Capt Ron

    “State it like it is”

    “actual truth and reality”

    As they say… “Perception is reality”

    I have a very strong skeptical vein arise within me whenever anyone vehemently proclaims that they ‘Know” some sort of “Truth”! The parents cited in articles in web blogs like this, without any pertinent medical background, always seem to “Know” the “Truth” that a vaccine was the cause! HOW? “Truth” is never an absolute, it can only be approached and it’s always subject to revision with new quality evidence. There’s ALWAYS new evidence and I, personally, prefer it to be scientifically validated. You’ll almost never hear a true scientist use the term “truth”. You’ll hear, instead, “The preponderance of currently available and thoroughly analyzed evidence indicates that there can be a reasoned and logical decision to accept a consensus about ______.” You don’t get to that important point of acceptance, and it’s always provisional predicated on newer evidence, with one-off poorly designed, never replicated and often retracted studies by biased researchers like Tomlijenovic & Shaw (and others) or with the trash posted at the great white whale.to.

  • The battle for truth, in regard the the vaccine issues.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS8F4TifjxU&feature=youtu.be

    VacFacts
    http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • wetset

    The newly patented medicines? You mean those meds created for the autoimmune disorders induced by the vacs? Brilliant.
    “Vaccines and Autoimmunity” a new medical textbook written by renowned doctors and scientists for doctors. It’s not just “anti-vax” rhetoric anymore…..the dam is cracking.

  • Al Mather

    Right Lowell.. unlike you … constantly admitting that you are wrong left and right.

  • Al Mather

    “Germs are ubiquitous. Fighting them with vaccines is like taking a bucket, dipping it into the ocean, pouring the contents onto land and declaring the days of drowning to be behind us.”
    The stupidity of that is magnified by the cleverness you so obviously feel in posting it.

  • How long do you need to reply post here and before it should be realized and obvious to you, just how dumb and lost in the denial of vaccine truth and reality, and that, by your own choice, you remain to be?

  • Perhaps so, and in your mindless dreams you can and must continue to delude yourself with such obvious lies..

  • Translation of your in denial and mad mans rant.

    Only doctors who have created all the vaccine injury, and denied it, and that have never really been educated in anything but to prescribe drugs to match symptoms, and vaccine to match so called and fear mongered about diseases, are ever qualified to determine the safety level and the effectiveness of vaccines.

    Even though they are clearly and entirely clueless as to what they are doing, and as to how the ingredients and the unresolved issue of contamination, has created a holocaust on the health of infants and children everywhere. And now they want to go after the parents and even old grandma and grandpa and force vaccines for profit on them. Vaccines for everyone from just born until you get dropped in the grave. Aren’t you just so proud of what you support, delusional Capt Ron?

  • You entirely twisted, clown. Your insanity and desperation to keep making replies here on this page has obviously resulted in the lying and blathering loss of your mind. But when was that not obvious from the start, and it only gets worse.

  • Quite clear, I did respond, and quite well, I might add. You call a source such as Vacfacts lying, when you have failed to directly respond to and address anything at all that was there? You are clearly just another lying and deceiving yourself, vaccine promoting, mad man… Mather.

    Let the readers be the judge, and that site get an averages of around a 1000 or more views of one form or another, every day, worldwide. Mad now?

    VacFacts
    http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • And yet you can directly respond to nothing, and but to again and again throw false disrecredition mud and poo at it all. Anything that is not pro-vaccine. How endlessly pathetic, for you.

  • Donald Monty

    That question would be better put to you. And c’mon, dude, she can’t even spell Josef Mengele’s name right. She “mengled” it!

  • Did you have any more of your vaccines included in the wording, twisted rants and obvious insanity to reply post with here? Please spare of us from having to see and/or read of any more such stupidity.

  • Are you here for a spelling bee? Well why didn’t you say so. Your on the wrong site; perhaps then you should go here. http://www.abcya.com/spelling_practice.htm

    You can not answer to anything of any significant importance in regard to vaccine safety, and here at all, and you know it. That is what this site is about. Just shut off and unplug your computer if you need to, and at that Wisconsin medical center, and give up. That would be the most intelligent thing you could do.

  • Donald Monty

    You’re ranting again, Lowell.

  • Ranting really? That’s not ranting. You just can not handle the fact and reality of that really suck at even beginning to debate this vaccine issue. You have nothing going on here but repeated and endless denial..

  • Donald Monty

    Tristan is either plagiarizing that line or posting it all over the other anti-vax quack sites with another handle. If you copy and paste it into google it’s all over.

  • Ruth

    Are you suggesting that they may have more hidden and nefarious reasons for injecting us all with genetically modified material against our will? That’s just shocking!

  • Al Mather

    Speaking of pathetic Lowell………..how’s things? Seriously… all this crazy stuff aside…you getting things back on track?

  • Al Mather

    PFfffffftt… Lol.

  • Al Mather

    Okay Lowell … take a pill.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Frankly as a self styled “expert” I would expect you to know more about the natural history of smallpox. The outbreaks tended to be rolling outbreaks that would persist for months.

    The strategy used to eradicate smallpox was a combination of isolation and ring vaccination. Between the two strategies public health workers we r able to eliminate smallpox. It wasn’t an easy effort but the job got done.

    Your claims about measles eradication are plainly wrong. As the vaccinated population has increased the death rate has declined. Thanks to the stupidity of your followers measles is in danger of becoming endemic again in the us. The measles and the rubella portion of the mmr are very effective. Congenital rubella syndrome is essentially nonexistent BUT ITWILL return if people take your advice.The mumps portion needs work but it is still at worst about 70% effective. No reputable public health researcher is arguing against pertussis vaccination. The reputable literature is calling for more research to improve the vaccine.

    From up to date
    CLINICAL FEATURES

    Overview — Congenital rubella infection (CRI) may lead to fetal death in utero, premature delivery, or congenital defects [1]. CRI is a chronic infection and has a broad spectrum of clinical manifestations that may manifest throughout life (table 2) [1,53].

    Deafness, cataracts (picture 1), and cardiac disease are the classic manifestations of congenital rubella syndrome (CRS) [54,55]. However, rubella virus may infect virtually every fetal organ [38]. Once CRI is established, it can persist for long periods. (See ‘Viral shedding’ below.)
    Viral shedding — After fetal infection, rubella virus persists throughout gestation and for months postnatally. It can be recovered from multiple sites.

    Pharyngeal shedding of rubella virus is common, prolonged, and intense during the months after delivery. At one year of age, as many as 20 percent of infants with congenital rubella syndrome (CRS) continue to shed rubella virus in the pharynx, but by two years of age, pharyngeal shedding is rare [56,87-91].

    In patients with ocular and central nervous system involvement (eg, cataracts, late subacute panencephalitis), rubella virus has been cultured from the crystalline lens and cerebrospinal fluid in children older than one year of age [84,87,92,93].

    Progressive rubella panencephalitis. Late onset after congenital rubella.
    AU
    Townsend JJ, Baringer JR, Wolinsky JS, Malamud N, Mednick JP, Panitch HS, Scott RA, Oshiro L, Cremer NE
    SO
    N Engl J Med. 1975;292(19):990.

    In children with congenital rubella infection the deficits remain stable; neurologic deterioration after the first few years of life is not believed to occur. We have encountered three patients with a definite or presumptive diagnosis of congenital rubella, in whom a progressive neurologic illness developed that began in the second decade and was characterized by spasticity, ataxia, intellectual deterioration, and seizures. High antibody titers to rubella virus in serum and spinal fluid were present in two, and all had increased cerebrospinal-fluid protein and gamma globulin. Extensive attempts to recover a virus from brain and body fluids were unsuccessful. The brains of two patients showed a widespread, progressive, subacute panencephalitis mainly affecting white matter. These data suggest that rubella virus may be a cause of progressive panencephalitis.
    AD
    PMID
    1117960
    87
    TI
    Congenital rubella syndrome in late infancy.
    AU
    Plotkin SA, Cochran W, Lindquist JM, Cochran GG, Schaffer DB, Scheie HG, Furukawa T
    SO
    JAMA. 1967;200(6):435.

    AD
    PMID
    4164423
    92
    TI
    Persistence of virus in lens for three years after prenatal rubella.
    AU
    Menser MA, Harley JD, Hertzberg R, Dorman DC, Murphy AM
    SO
    Lancet. 1967;2(7512):387.

    AD
    PMID
    4166332
    93
    TI
    PERSISTENCE OF VIRUS IN INFANTS WITH CONGENITAL RUBELLA AND IN NORMAL INFANTS WITH A HISTORY OF MATERNAL RUBELLA.
    AU
    PHILLIPS CA, MELNICK JL, YOW MD, BAYATPOUR M, BURKHARDT M
    SO
    JAMA. 1965;193:1027.

    AD
    PMID
    14338802

    I want to thank you in advance for your personal contribution to potentially disabling thousands of children.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    There are 5 clinical manifestations with specific symptoms.and 2 specific viral subtypes.

    It’s not at all uncommon for medicine to describe diseases by symptom clusters…..I will leave it to you to engage in a critical thinking exercise to come up with examples

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Smallpox has been eliminated from the wild. The virus was never isolated from a nonhuman subject.

    From up to date

    Ordinary type — In a typical case of ordinary type smallpox, the incubation period was 10 to 14 days (range 7 to 19 days) [6]. A pre-eruptive phase, lasting two to four days, was characterized by the sudden onset of high fever, severe headache, backache, and malaise. Vomiting occurred in 50 percent and diarrhea in 10 percent of patients [2].

    More than 70 percent of smallpox cases were of the “ordinary type”, which was further subdivided into three categories according to the type of rash (picture 2):

    ●Confluent rash present on face and forearms
    ●Semi-confluent rash present on the face with discrete rash elsewhere
    ●Discrete rash on all involved areas with normal skin between pustules
    The clinical outcome for ordinary type smallpox was closely linked to the type of accompanying rash. For example, in unvaccinated patients, mortality was 62 percent for confluent infection, 37 percent for semi-confluent, and 9 percent for discrete rash [2]. Death from smallpox was secondary to coagulopathy, hypotension and multiorgan failure [16].

    The eruptive phase was characterized by lesions on the mucous membranes (enanthem) followed approximately 24 hours later by the cutaneous rash (exanthem). Intraoral lesions first appeared as papules followed by vesicles on the tongue and palate. The spread of the exanthem was centrifugal, involving initially the face, followed by proximal extremities, the trunk, and the distal extremities [17]. The exanthem began as small macules (“herald spots”) on the face. Macules evolved to papules by day two of the rash, vesicles by days four to five, and pustules by day seven. Fever occasionally recurred during the pustular phase [5].

    The number of lesions ranged from few to thousands. Classic lesions were described as deep-seated, firm, round, and well-circumscribed vesicles or nodules. Crusts developed by day 14 and healed with residual depigmentation.

    Modified type — The modified form of smallpox was similar to ordinary disease except that the phases of the rash developed more rapidly and pustular lesions were smaller. Modified smallpox was common in vaccinated patients who became infected despite immunization and in those intentionally infected by variolation, a procedure that had been widely used as a method of vaccination prior to vaccinia virus vaccination [2].

    Flat type — This type of smallpox infection was characterized by pustules which remained flat and were usually confluent or semiconfluent. Flat type smallpox occurred mainly in children and was often fatal.

    Hemorrhagic type — In this rare form of smallpox, skin lesions and mucous membranes became hemorrhagic. Profound prostration, heart failure, diffuse bleeding, and bone marrow suppression commonly resulted in a fatal outcome within three to four days, earning the name “sledgehammer smallpox.”

    Hemorrhagic smallpox was difficult to recognize unless the patient had a known exposure to a patient with smallpox [6]. Pregnant women were predisposed to this type of smallpox.

    Variola sine eruptione — After exposure to variola virus, variola sine eruptione occurred among vaccinated individuals or in partially immune patients who had been previously infected. These patients had fever but no rash. A rise in anti-variola antibody titers at a time after the fever would indicate that such patients had been infected with variola virus, but did not develop a rash [2].

    LABORATORY FINDINGS — Nonspecific laboratory findings included granulocytopenia, thrombocytopenia, and lymphocytosis, which were common during the prodromal and early rash phase. Leukocytosis often occurred when vesicles became pustular. Disseminated intravascular coagulation was often seen in patients with hemorrhagic smallpox [2].

  • Really, so called Capt Ron? You are a liar and a deceiver, period. You need to stop just reading and just re-parroting out of your worn out and long ago discredited trolling vaccine shill debating manual. it is not working and it never did. Less profit than pharmceutical drugs certainly does not mean, no significant profit. 57.8 billion dollars is a lot of money,

    Here’s the list of the next 300 vaccines in the pipeline. Some are for cancer, but many are for children, adolescents and adults.
    http://www.phrma.org/sites/default/files/pdf/Vaccines_2013.pdf

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.nbc12.com/story/27941803/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019

    And the CDC and the big pharma multi million dollar lobbying would fight that hard to eliminate the small amount of existing vaccine exemptions, and to lock in the vaccine profits no matter what happens fo vaccine injury truth, and if they were not protecting themselves and the vaccine industry? Combine that with since 1987 now zero liability for any vaccine manufacturer and/or vaccine provider, and the door literally becomes shut for doing anything about 1000;s more infants and children that will become vaccine injured. This is the devils work, and you are doing and supporting the devils work, so called Capt Ron.

    The CDC’s Role in Undoing Vaccine Exemptions: the NACCHO Front Group
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdcs-role-undoing-vaccine-exemptions-naccho-front-group-1

    Educate 4 The Vaccine Injured, (lots of data and scientific studies on this site, showing the harm of vaccines)
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

  • You take a pill, you demented, psychotic, and beyond evil, toxic and contaminated, vaccine pusher! . How many vaccines have you actually had, in the last ten years? Surely you can tell us some more lies.

  • That is all you can do and say; why not add some farting sounds as well. You loser.

  • Better than you ever have or will, believe me. Your personal attacks borderline on being psychotic? But then what else could be ever expected of you sick trolling shill toxic and contaminated, vaccine pushers? Go ahead and list any of your conflicts of interest? Oh that’s right; you already lied about that too.

  • Donald Monty

    You actually just described yourself perfectly, Lowell.

  • Donald Monty

    How can you be upset with Al for personal attacks when in just your last 3 responses you’ve called him a loser, a mud and poo thrower, pathetic, borderline psychotic, a sick, trolling shill, a toxic and contaminated vaccine pusher and now a liar? Please explain.

  • You reject vaccine truth from any independent source, and you only accept pro-vaccine sources. Do you want to tell me how there can ever be anything honestly debated, and when that situation exists? Just pack it up and leave, as you are endlessly just wasting my time, and that of anyone else that has replied here, on the vaccine truth side of this.

  • Your ignorance is found in the failure to recognize that there is endlessly nothing but lying going on here, and in refusal of any and all information that is not pro-vaccine. You also are just endlessly wasting out time. And you actually think you as well that you deserve continued respect, when all you have done is wasted all of our time here for endless days and days, and since this article was published, That is all you ever do.

  • The word horrible is not automatically synonymous, with vaccine eradication. False fear mongering may sell vaccines, but in reality it does nothing more than produce more profits, and thus alone does not prove to be anything curative.

  • Quite obviously by what, and the historical information I have previously posted here on this article; I know more than you do about the natural history of small pox. Just because you can attain pro-vaccine and from everything to lose sources that can and have lied about it; doesn’t make you any more the wiser, now does it; and again quite obviously? Don’t forget that you actually failed to answer my direct question. Until you can do that, no more need be said.

  • Ring vaccination, LOL. There is no such thing as donated vaccines; as the pharmaceutical companies always get paid.

  • Donald Monty

    Why didn’t you answer the question?

  • I just answered the question, and is there some major problem with your reading comprehension?

  • Why do you not try growing up and reply posting like an adult, instead of that like some bratty child. You are actually very sick, just admit it.

  • Donald Monty

    I asked you to explain why you were upset with Al for personal attacks when in just your last 3 responses you called him a loser, a mud and poo thrower, pathetic, borderline psychotic, a sick, trolling shill, a toxic and contaminated vaccine pusher and a liar. You then called me ignorant and a sick waste of time and implied I had a major reading comprehension problem, but you didn’t answer the question. Why?

  • Hidden and nefarious reasons for injecting us. Of course, and they always do. Just join us and those that have never been vaccinated in over 4 decades, and there are thousands if not millions of us adults who never have been re-vaccinated since childhood.. Where is their so called vaccine derived herd immunity? Right after they finish trying to push the now federal bill that removes all vaccine exemptions nationwide; they will be going after us. Not happening, ever.

  • What do you not understand in regard to that there is a point in time when clearly none of you are any longer deserving of any respect at all, period. Quit simply wasting our time, and just because of your own hatred of the vaccine truth and in your persistent attack on anyone that presents with it. Nothing can ever be honestly debated, and when you simply refuse any information, data, and studies, period, that which is not pro–vaccine. You people are all lying, and in denial… sick, period.

  • Donald Monty

    I understand why you don’t want to answer. And BTW this article was dead in the water when it was posted. When’s the next one coming out? And why don’t the authors ever come here to defend them? Do those people really write them? Do those people even exist?

  • So you just entirely revise what she said and change the interpretation to fit your own pro-vaccine needs? Imagine that.

  • You don’t like the answer so you repeatedly claim there was none and want and demand a different answer. What else is new with you warped in the mind, shills?

    Some people believe that wasting their time with fools like you that are full of nothing but endless refuse to get it, and accept it denial; is not worth their time. Can you blame them. Look at what goes on here. There are so many people out there looking for the vaccine truth and with an open mind and that will see the truth and facts for what they are; that why would they waste their time on people like you? Is there something that you yet fail to understand about that?

  • Al Mather

    The USSR manufactured and donated most of the vaccine Lowell.

  • Al Mather

    False fear mongering… Finally a topic on which you can speak with authority.

  • Al Mather

    I’m so wasting your time that you respond to every post I make even when I am commenting to someone else.

  • Al Mather

    Really? What did I say?

  • Al Mather

    That is the “real history” recorded at the time. Modern times.And unlike your tales from the days before modern conveniences like phones, televisions, air travel, advances in medical science and diagnostic technologies …With media, health organizations and many govts monitoring the same event all telling the same tale.. the likelihood of one man’s bias opinion, lies or misinterpretation,being the only recording is removed.

  • Donald Monty

    Tristan appears to have bugged out. I didn’t revise, just summarized.

  • Donald Monty

    It seems strange Missy hasn’t posted a comment here in a year. If she really spent all that time writing this bogus article, which has been thoroughly taken apart, why wouldn’t she at least try to defend it?

  • Al Mather
  • James Peters

    Vaccines make up around 2-3% of all pharma revenue. Outbreaks would bring in more revenue

  • James Peters

    GM?

  • That is not true because to actually treat those outbreaks, they within pharma and the standard medical model would actually have to understand the true physiological case and as well in regard to prevention. Their big pharma regime is as well not designated to find real cures. Their drug and antiviral means have to his point been a literal failure that they refuse to see. Quit just re-parroting the false talking information, that you were fed.

    Tamiflu Deception – Learn The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/tamiflu-deception—learn-the-real-truth.html

  • And is that irrelevant trash intended to have some meaning?

  • Its not just one man; that history comes from multiple people and sources; and much of it recorded by medical doctors, and who lived as well worked withing the health care field in that day and time time. But you know what happens to those people, today. But continue to reject all of it, and stay just as ignorant as you obviously will always choose to be. Just stay then in your denial of all actual truth and reality.

  • I am exposing your information and you lies. Other than that as far as any real debate goes here; that is a lost cause. Get it?

  • There is no question. Period.

  • You have been told this before; some people choose not to waste their time arguing with people like you that do nothing but lie and make denial of every vaccine truth fact and reference that is put forth, that is which not pro-vaccine in and as to its content. Some people refuse to argue with people that for them nothing would be enough. Even though in your evil mind you would have liked to have drawn her into this and your pit of endless, deception, lies, and denial of all vaccine truth; that is any authors right to the choice to not be involved with it. That alone is certainly no reflection on the accuracy of this article, and nor any other article.

  • “It’s not at all uncommon for medicine to describe diseases by symptom clusters”

    And it’s not at all uncommon for medicine to be hopelessly wrong.

    What’s your point?

    I didn’t ask you to repeat the same fairy tale over and over I asked you to provide evidence for it.

  • Does the entire world consist of only Russia? And the pharmaceutical makers made not a dime? Really? So you are saying all the said vaccine was produced as made in a government lab?

  • ” The virus was never isolated from a nonhuman subject.”

    Wow! What a brilliant argument! Now, I can only assume that every single animal and plant has been rigorously tested for this virus right? How exactly did they do that?

    And again, you copy and paste the wild speculations of somebody else. Because these speculations are highly detailed – in the same way as Tolkien had a highly detailed description of Middle Earth – you somehow think it constitutes evidence for it.

    It doesn’t.

    Like I said, you need to provide observations (from either others or yourself) and then use logic to make a coherent story as to what actually happened.

  • You can read it anyway you like. It is your claim that the smallpox virus doesn’t exist anywhere on the planet. I reckon that claim is absurd given that no mere mortal could possibly know such a thing.

    So far you haven’t come up with a shred of non-circular evidence that it is true.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    The orthopox family of virus chain of infection is very well known and established.

  • Que? I said people had clearly tested positive but the various health agencies always discount such tests because they simply refuse to believe that anybody could possibly have smallpox.

    “And you’ve still provided nothing to show the cases in Jharkhand were smallpox.”

    And you’ve done nothing to prove that millions of people in South America died as a result of smallpox during the Conquistador era.

    Like I said, there is no onus on me to prove anything except that we are comparing apples to oranges. Which I have done.

  • But I don’t have to because the concept that smallpox virus = smallpox disease is meaningless to me.

    It means something to you therefore you need to show that the virus was plentiful in people in the era before the smallpox vaccine and the virus is non-existent today.

    You can’t do either. You can’t even figure out a way such a thing could be done.

    Because of direct observations from people I am happy to accept that many people suffered from pox symptoms 200 years ago and many people suffer from them today. There may be less today, or more, or the same. We have no idea.

    So there is no useful conclusion to be drawn on any level about the success of the smallpox vaccine. Not by your standards and not by my standards.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    You can’t develop shingles if you never catch chickenpox or varicella by its proper name. The zoster virus hides in the nerves until some stressor causes it to reemerge. Your claims about varicella are easily disproved with about 2 minutes on up to date.

    Varicella-related hospitalizations — Following implementation of the US varicella vaccine program in 1995, rates of varicella-related hospitalizations and complications have significantly decreased [20,26,27]. Data from the Varicella Activity Surveillance Project were used to compare rates of hospitalization and rates of complications among patients hospitalized with varicella from 1995 to 2005 [26]. For this project, the vaccination periods were defined as early (1995 to 1998) middle (1999 to 2001) and late (2002 to 2005). The study found the following:

    ●A total of 26,290 varicella cases were reported from 1995 to 2005. Of these cases, 170 patients (6.47 per 1000 varicella cases) required hospitalization.
    ●Decreases in varicella-related hospitalization rates occurred in both older and younger age groups from the early to combined middle/late periods: among those 20 years of age, rates decreased by 60 percent.
    ●Logistic regression analyses demonstrated that risk of hospitalization was independently associated with being 15 years of age, not being vaccinated, and being immunocompromised. Those 20 years of age had the highest risk of varicella-related hospitalization (adjusted ORs 7.0 [95% CI 4.1-12.1] and 7.6 [95% CI 4.5-12.6], respectively).
    ●The rate of complications during the early vaccination period decreased by 70 to 90 percent to the middle/later vaccination periods. Most of these complications were skin and soft tissue infections and pneumonitis.
    Of note, most of these hospitalizations were preventable through implementation of existing vaccination policy recommendations.

    The key point is that vaccination reduces the severity of disease even in the event of partial vaccination failure.

    Prior to 1995 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated the yearly incidence of chickenpox in the United States at approximately four million cases with nearly 11,000 admissions and 100 deaths. (See ‘Epidemiology of varicella prior to vaccine’ above.)
    ●Although children were most commonly affected by varicella, adults and infants less than one year of age were overrepresented among those who developed complicated disease with high rates of mortality. (See ‘Varicella-related hospitalizations and mortality’ above.)
    ●One decade after the introduction of varicella vaccine, overall varicella incidence in active surveillance sites had declined by 90 percent. (See ‘Epidemiology of disease after introduction of varicella vaccine’ above.)

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    If you do the math 10000 hospitalizations per year and 90 deaths have been averted by the Varicella vaccine.

    You like to toss mud at the wall to see what sticks.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    No wild speculations. As a responsible professional I go to reputable sources for information.

    Up to date
    World health
    Cdc
    The va
    Mayo health systems
    Medline
    Pubmed
    Cochrane

    Are all high quality evidence based sources.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    You can choose to accept or reject. I have provided numerous sources.

    There are numerous diseases with different symptom profiles. I challenged you to use critical thinking skills to identify a couple diseases.

  • Al Mather

    60 s USSR….not a lot of private corporations.

  • Al Mather

    Hey you were the one complaining how I’m wasting that valuable Lowell time, you could be explaining ” vaccine truth ” to your cat… But instead you’re forced to but in on my comments to others.

  • Al Mather

    It’s always the same centuries dead couple of anti vax… Germ denialist docs you folks post quotes from.

  • Donald Monty

    You’re still just dodging.

  • Donald Monty

    Why don’t you stop ranting and posting personal attacks?

  • Donald Monty

    Odd that none of the authors here defend their articles. It’s not like they have anything else to do.

  • Donald Monty

    You’ve been disproven and are just flailing now.

  • Al Mather

    So you think they make more on a vaccine than an office visit with additional treatment or perhaps a hospital visit?….Doesn’t add up.

  • Al Mather

    Ooh.. Temper temper Lowell. I’m up to date …thanks.
    Ps..Last 5-6 years i get the flu shot…& been lucking out.

  • Capt Ron

    I’m continually astounded by what Mr. Hubbs freely posts daily with HIS real identity so fully exposed. I shudder to think about how much more outrageous he could be with an anonymous ‘net identity!

  • Capt Ron

    A new rule for Mr. Hubbs: For every dubious “TRUTH AND REALITY” reference he posts, especially from whale.to, utube or any anti-vax blog, he must also find and post at least one reference from PubMed or another reputable source that replicates/supports/validates the dubious reference cited. The additional reference must be large scale research that is well designed, appropriately controlled, randomized & blinded and has statistical analysis that will stand up to the closest scrutiny of any other scientist or bio-statistician. The reference must also have been peer reviewed & published in an top tier medical or scientific journal of international stature that relates to the field of study.

  • Al Mather

    Universities like Stanford and Oxford,

    Science Magazine …published by AAAS..American Association for the Advancement of Science ..The worlds largest general scientific society..an international non-profit organization dedicated to advancing science for the benefit of all people.

    PBS (the folks who bring us NOVA and Nature)…

    The National Center for Biotechnology.. which. aside from supporting a staggeringly large & mind blowing data base on health related genetic and molecular studies and info…

    (conducts research on fundamental biomedical problems at the molecular level using mathematical and computational methods

    maintains collaborations with several NIH institutes, academia, industry, and other governmental agencies

    fosters scientific communication by sponsoring meetings, workshops, and lecture series

    supports training on basic and applied research in computational biology for postdoctoral fellows through the NIH Intramural Research Program

    engages members of the international scientific community in informatics research and training through the Scientific Visitors Program

    develops, distributes, supports, and coordinates access to a variety of databases and software for the scientific and medical communities

    develops and promotes standards for databases, data deposition and exchange, and biological nomenclature )

    According to you Lowell.. These organizations are shameless pro-vaccine fronts??? Truth rejecters ??? Mindless and irrelevant load of bull-crap???

    Then we have your sources of “Truth” Medicinekillsmillions.com.. a blog site which aggregates anti medicine articles and “facts” and then right at the bottom below all their spew they put this ***

    Disclaimer: The information on this website is presented for educational purposes only and is not intended as a substitute for professional or medical advice. We disclaim all liability to any person arising directly or indirectly from the use of the information provided. Although the information included here and linked to is highly recommended we do not necessarily share all the views expressed by the authors nor have any affiliation with them.

    ****

    Basically saying ” just because we say it don’t hold us to it we could be full of crap”

    Vaccination Council..where do we start.. Mayer Eisenstein..treated kids with chemical castration ..Lupron injections..Had the largest judgment ever awarded against him in a baby death malpractice.. not his only.. Right up till his death he pitched his snake oil ..OH this deal: vitamin D3 and probiotic treatments to prevent swine flu — “A $71 value, YOURS FOR ONLY $39.” Suzanne Humphries..embraces homeopathy … nuff said.
    Sherri Tenpenny..former Osteopath.. no formal in immunology or infectious diseases..claims to be a vaccine expert. Never published. Except her anti vax blog and books.
    These folks are what you, Lowell, consider INDEPENDENT??? TRUSTED??? TRUTHFUL???
    You’re self medicating with delusion now Lowell.

  • Al Mather

    25 billion of a trillion dollar industry…or about 2.5%.

  • They make money on both, and not one without the other, do ever actually get it? Ignorance by choice, right? We are and were as well talking about pharmaceutical drug manufacturers. What would happen to the practice of a Pediatrician if he couldn’t sell vaccines? They would be finished. And as well kids would be staying healthy because they did not get those vaccines; and thus no visits for all the chronic illness that vaccines are causing. I have never even heard of a since un-vaccinated family with children that have ever had those same said issues. Wake up.

    Vaccine Truth…How Does It Get Better, Than this?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgBjTPvVWNc&feature=youtu.be

  • Why do you not stop posting your repeat lies and endless denial of the real vaccine truth, period?

    Vaccine Truth…How Does It Get Better, Than this?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgBjTPvVWNc&feature=youtu.be

    Be sure you check out all the references attached to that video, as well.

    Vaccine injuries, Dr. Andrew Moulden, Conférence Liberté de Choix en Santé, Montréal, 12 sept. 2009
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Pb2gqbkyk

    Health Canada Corruption – Dr. Andrew Moulden – MD, PhD
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbo5vf_health-canada-corruption-dr-andrew_news

    Explosive: The real reason Holistic Doctors are being killed and vanishing!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALgIHETMDU

    Is the medical-pharmaceutical-regulatory cartel assassinating holistic physicians because of a new vaccine-linked discovery?
    http://www.sott.net/article/299470-Is-the-medical-pharmaceutical-regulatory-cartel-assassinating-holistic-physicians-because-of-a-new-vaccine-linked-discovery

    Another Florida Doctor Murdered, Bringing Total to 8 Dead & 5 Missing in Just the Last Month
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/florida-doctor-murdered-bringing-total-8-dead-5-missing-month/#2q674sUW255K4b4T.01

    Holistic cancer treatment pioneer Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez dies suddenly; patients mourn the loss of a compassionate, innovative doctor who helped thousands heal from cancer
    http://www.naturalnews.com/050500_Dr_Nicholas_Gonzalez_unexpected_death_alternative_cancer_treatments.html#ixzz3glmtmoTk

    The Gonzalez Protocol: A Natural Approach to Healing
    http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/index.htm

    Chapter 9
    Nagalase: Friend and Foe?
    http://gcmaf.timsmithmd.com/book/chapter/52/

    GcMAF – Your body’s own internal medicine
    https://gcmaf.biz/

    Dr. Bradstreet, Nagalase, and the Viral Issue in Autism
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/dr-bradstreet-nagalase-and-the-viral-issue-in-autism.html

    GcMAF, Dr. Bradstreet, and the coverup of autism causes and effective therapies
    http://www.examiner.com/article/gcmaf-dr-bradstreet-and-the-coverup-of-autism-causes-and-effective-therapies

    GcMAF, nagalase and autism
    http://questioning-answers.blogspot.com/2012/12/gcmaf-nagalase-and-autism.html

    GcMAF for the treatment of cancer, autism, inflammation, viral and bacterial disease
    http://www.faim.org/autism/gcmaf-treatment-cancer-autism-inflammation-viral-bacterial-disease.html

    Clinical experience of integrative cancer immunotherapy with GcMAF.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23780980/

    GcMAF, standard therapy
    http://immunemedicine.com/available-therapies/gcmaf/

    Nicholas Gonzalez, M.D. – Scientifically No Polio Vaccine was Needed
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/nicholas-gonzalez-m-d-scientifically-no-polio-vaccine-was-needed/

    The Cancer Industry is Too Prosperous to Allow a Cure
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/the-cancer-industry-is-too-prosperous-to-allow-a-cure/

    How Much?! Global Spending on Cancer Medicines Hit $100B Last Year
    http://blogs.wsj.com/pharmalot/2015/05/05/how-much-global-spending-on-cancer-medicines-hit-100b-last-year/

    Making a Killing with Cancer: A 124.6 Billion Dollar Industry
    http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/making-a-killing-with-cancer-a-124-6-billion-dollar-industry-12092013

    While Mandatory Vaccination Laws Are Enacted, Vaccine Injury Compensation Program Is Failing

    SB 277, signed into law on June 29, 2015, denies parents in California the legal right to file a personal belief exemption to vaccination for religious and conscientious so their children can attend school. Drug companies donated more than $2 million to the California lawmakers who decided to gut the human right to informed consent to medical risk taking and the civil right to a school education. Since 1988, the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has adjudicated more than 14,000 petitions for vaccine injury and death; $3.2 billion has been paid to 4,150 claimants; the remaining cases were dismissed.

    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/while-mandatory-vaccination-laws-are-enacted-vaccine-injury-compensation-program-is-failing/

    Doctors Change Names of Diseases When Vaccines Do Not Work
    http://vactruth.com/2012/04/25/change-names-of-diseases/

    The Cause of Disease & Healing Disease
    http://www.healingourchildren.org/the-cause-of-disease-healing-disease/

  • Unlike you, I clearly don’t need it. You are actually astounded at my boldness? And you are what, not appalled at your own lack of integrity and cowardly inability to provide an actual identity? So at least reading between the lines here, you are beginning to see and admit to reality of this.

  • And if you actually had the flu shot this year your chances of acquiring a severe form of the flu and as well dying of the flu were actually increased. More arm than good. Wake up and educate yourself. I have never had a flu shot and never will. Vitamin D, C, and probiotics in adequate amounts much higher than the recommended RDA ignorance of IOM, is simply what works.

    Go ahead an keep giving me a platform to expose all of the lies and the endless vaccine ignorance that the vaccine promoters have ever put forth.

    The Currently Failed Flu Vaccine Expose/ With Original Antigenic Sin Study Info
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-currently-failed-flu-vaccine-expose-with-original-antigenic-sin-study-info.html

  • Check out the latest news on the MMR vaccine causation of autism, cover-up.

    Vaccine Truth…How Does It Get Better, Than this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgBjTPvVWNc&feature=youtu.be

    Data dump, the CDC way …

    http://vaccinedepot.blogspot.com/2015/07/data-dump-cdc-way.html

    They brought a big garbage can into the meeting and filled them with the documents from the study that they felt they needed to disregard, and ignore. WOW. Just like the Verstraeten Thimerosal study

    CDC Whistleblower: This Is the Real Smoking Gun (Check of the trancript of the cover-up).

    http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/09/cdc-whistleblower-this-is-real-smoking.html

    Vaccine Whistleblower: Exposing Autism Research Fraud at the CDC Hardcover – August 25, 2015

    by Esq. Kevin Barry (Author), Dr. Boyd E. Haley (Preface), Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (Foreword)

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/1634509951/ref=tsm_1_fb_lk

    Congressman Posey speaks on the House floor about a CDC whistleblower exposing deception at the CDC. July 29, 2015

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxr-cv-JuI8&feature=youtu.be

    Congressman Bill Posey Asks For CDC Whistleblower Hearings; CDC Scientists Destroyed Documents to Hide MMR-Autism Link

    http://vaxtruth.org/2015/07/posey-asks-for-hearings/

    Autism Action Network

    CDC Scientist: Records showing MMR/Autism connection destroyed

    Take Action!

    Why isn’t Congress investigating?

    Centers of Disease Prevention and Control (CDC) scientists deliberately destroyed all physical data and records of an internal study that showed wildly higher autism rates among African-American boys under the age of one who received the Measles Mumps Rubella (MMR) vaccine compared to white boys, according to a letter written by William Thompson, Ph. D., one of the scientists who participated in the records destruction, and read Tuesday on the floor of the House of Representatives by Rep. Bill Posey (R-Fl).

    Rep. Posey’s speech was broadcast on C-span and can be seen here:

    Breaking News (at 1hr 02mins 25seconds on the link):

    http://www.c-span.org/video/?327309-1/us-house-morning-hour&live=

    The text of Thompson’s letter can be read here at the Age of Autism Website: http://www.ageofautism.com

    Thompson’s letter is just one of thousands of similar documents that have been in the possession of Congress for more than a year awaiting action by the Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

    The records were destroyed specifically to prevent the information from becoming public according to Thompson. Thompson stated that he retained copies of the destroyed records which are now in the possession of Congress. Thompson and his colleagues later published a study that dismissed any connection between the MMR and higher autism rates in African-American boys.

    Please click on the Take Action link to send a message to your members of Congress asking why they are doing nothing with the evidence of a CDC conspiracy to cover up data that shows a connection between the MMR and autism.

    Please share this message with friends and family and please post to social networks. And if you would like to receive news and Action Alerts from the Autism Action Network please signup at http://www.autismactionnetwork.org

    First Medical Textbook Devoted to Research Linking Vaccines to Autoimmunity

    http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/first-medical-textbook-devoted-to-research-linking-vaccines-to-autoimmunity

    Mainstream Media Warns About the Dangers of the Vaccinated Spreading Disease, Wait, What, Really?

    http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2015/07/27/mainstream-media-warns-about-the-dangers-of-the-vaccinated-spreading-disease-wait-what-really/

  • Donald Monty

    Wow 23 more crap links from Lowell.

  • Oh well that settles it then!

    Case closed let’s move on.

    How about I try this game?

    The benefits of faith healing is very well known and established.

    The truth being laid out in the stars is very well known and established.

    Etc, etc.

    It amazes me that you guys can even remember your own names given your incredible lack of self-awareness.

  • “The zoster virus hides in the nerves until some stressor causes it to reemerge. ”

    Obviously this fact – like everything else you have posted – is nothing more than wild speculation. But there is a much larger problem I’m afraid Viking.

    You see, if we were to assume your fairy tale about the virus turning into stealth mode we would have to accept that it is impossible to gain immunity from the virus at all.

    If having the virus in us for decades is not sufficient to teach us how to combat it then clearly no vaccine for it could possibly do any good could it?

  • but they are only high quality if you accept their premise that vaccinations are the single greatest invention ever Viking.

    Just like I could go to ‘high quality’ homeopathic sources and say “these guys all say homeopathy works therefore it does”. This would appear to you a ridiculous argument because you don’t accept the premise that homeopathy is valid and therefore those that study it are not according to you valid experts.

    Because I don’t accept the premise that vaccines are safe and effective there is therefore no reason for me to believe the WHO or the CDC anymore than you do the experts in homeopathy.

    Now, because you are such a facile thinker it is almost impossible for you to understand this. Nonetheless your logic is terrible.

  • “I challenged you to use critical thinking skills to identify a couple diseases.”

    Isn’t it great how all anybody has to do is use ‘critical thinking skills’ and they will always come to the same conclusion as you?

    FMD.

  • Ron Roy

    The big money comes from treating the patients from the side effects of the vaccines. The side effects from every drug produce by the pharmaceutical industry are endless and the deaths countless are we to believe vaccines are totally benign?

  • Ron Roy

    I suspect that you’re a paid shill of the medi-quack profession. Money has to be your motivating factor in trying to trivialize the serious complications from vaccines.

  • Donald Monty

    It’s a living.

  • Donald Monty

    “What would happen to the practice of a Pediatrician if he couldn’t sell vaccines? They would be finished.”
    Then you must know what percentage of a pediatrician’s revenue comes from selling vaccines. What is it?

  • Ron Roy

    The cancer causing Simian virus40 found in that vaccine was very much alive so much so that it was tranmitted from mother to offspring and is now part of our genome. Even if you want to believe the vaccine prevented polio ( it didn’t ) it was a lousy tradeoff considering only 2% of the people diagnosed with polio suffered any kind of paralysis.

  • Ron Roy

    Yeh a buch of terrorists took over 4 planes using BOX CUTTERS! How cowardly does that make the passengers look? I’ll kick your ass even if you have a machete as a weapon!

  • Ron Roy

    No but anyone believing that anyone using box cutters ( and I’ve used them many times ) could take over a plane full of men has to be brain damaged!

  • Ron Roy

    I’ve got a close friend who was Prozac and he told me the thoughts that ran through his mind, while on it, were horrible. He voluntarily went off that ” medication ” before he killed people!

  • Ron Roy

    You can’t believe anything involving medi-quacks or the pharmaceutical industry that you read on Wikipedia. That online encyclopedia is closly monotored and edited by MD’s who are shills for the drug industry.

  • Ron Roy

    Thanks for the admission at least for once you’ve told the truth!

  • Donald Monty

    At the time people believed cooperating with hijackers was the safest route. And remember these were crazed, vaccine-injured hijackers.

  • Donald Monty

    Yeah they must all have had vaccine injuries.

  • Donald Monty

    What about that graph is inaccurate?

  • AutismDad

    Who knows how many have had similar experiences with prozac and other mind drugs.

  • The exact and specific percentage is irrelevant; as we already know that the majority of office visits are for well baby and the same for child and teen; and that the intent as to that visit is only to give more vaccines. The bulk of any other visits mainly comprise illness and chronic conditions, largely caused by the vaccines, vaccine toxicity, vaccine adverse reactions, and vaccine caused dysregulation of the immune system. Office visits that un-vaccinated children’s families largely never have to make. Wake up.

  • That’s right, Donald Monty is just a person from a Wisconsin medical center, either paid off, or with to much in denial of all going on and within their mind, to ever accept and/or to allow the vaccine truth to be told. The game is called, arrogance in their profession, complete denial.

  • Of which again zero that you could actually and in any honesty, respond to. You like to demand answers to your idiotic questions, but can directly to answer to zero information and questions, yourself.

  • Donald Monty

    It’s completely relevant and you have no idea what it is. You’re just making crap up.

  • Donald Monty

    They’re just the same nut job anti-vaccine opinion pieces you post endlessly.

  • I have made absolutely nothing up, period. Any and every thinking person who knows anything at all about what goes on at Pediatric offices; knows that these are clearly the facts and thus your true reality.

    Then you just go ahead and give me the answer to your dumb question, and if you think it is so relevant.

  • Donald Monty

    You’ve just been brainwashed, Lowell.

  • Donald Monty

    There you go again. You have no idea do you? So now you’re asking me?

  • OMG, how demented, twisted, and evasive can one human being get? You asked the question and I replied, and so if i am so wrong in my answer; then go ahead and answer your own question? Wow.

  • LOL. I have clearly proven repeatedly who is actually, brainwashed. In fact I am starting to wonder just how in complete denial and psychotic in their nature, your replies can actually become.

    Would you as well like to respond to any of the below, and with any more of your in denial and delusional, nonsense? You sure do seem obsessed with me and what I reply post; and in your attention and night and day, around the clock, and as to responding to my replied to posts. Doesn’t that medical center in Wisconsin ever take any time off as to their sitting in their cubicles reply posting? Or is it just you? If so, you better get some sleep. LOL.

    U.S. Congressman’s Statement Questions Science Cited to Support School Vaccine Bill (Video)
    http://sacobserver.com/2015/07/u-s-congressmans-statement-questions-science-cited-to-support-school-vaccine-bill/

    India Still Reporting Cases of Polio-like Acute Flaccid Paralysis

    India’s Ministry of Health and Family Welfare has reported that it has investigated approximately 18,000 cases of Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP) in the country since January 2015 as part of its national polio surveillance program, established in 1997, and that all of the cases have tested negative for poliovirus. Some 50,000 cases of AFP are being detected annually in India.1 2

    According to a press release issued by the Ministry:

    India is polio-free. The country reported its last case of wild poliovirus in 2011. After three consecutive polio-free years, the South-East Asia Region of WHO, comprising of 11 countries (including India), was certified polio-free on 27 March 2014. Despite this progress, India has maintained a high vigil and ensured that no complacency sets in order to maintain the polio-free status for the last more than 4 years. It has taken appropriate actions to ensure high population immunity against polio as well as for maintaining a sensitive surveillance system for poliovirus detection.1

    Following two decades of repeated child vaccination campaigns using OPV in India, the World Health Organization (WHO) in early 2014 pronounced India “free” of wild-type polio. The controversial declaration comes at a time when India has been experiencing a huge increase in reported cases of non-polio AFP (NPAFP).3

    In 2004, 12,000 cases of non-polio paralysis were reported but that number had increased by 2012 to 53,563 cases for a national rate of 12 per 100,000 children. Two pediatricians in India compiled data from the polio surveillance program and discovered a link between the increase in OPV use among children during stepped-up polio eradication campaigns and the increasing cases of NPAFP among children.

    In a 2012 article published in a medical ethics journal,4 the doctors stated, “Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received.” Because polio is among the more than 200 related viruses in the Picornaviridae family of enteroviruses, the doctors suggested that public health officials investigate “the influence of strain shifts of enteropathogens induced by the [polio] vaccine given practically every month.”

    Although not nearly as prevalent as in India, NPAFP cases are also occurring in the U.S. In early 2014, neurologists at Stanford and University of California reported five cases of sudden paralysis of one or more limbs in children ages two to 16—all fully vaccinated against polio—and the California Department of Health of Health began investigating 20 more similar cases. Two of the five children tested positive for enterovirus-68 (EV68).5

    During the summer of 2014, many more apparently healthy American children in several states, including Colorado, Missouri, Michigan and Massachusetts, were reported to be suddenly stricken with paralysis after developing cold and flu-like symptoms. Several died and, although some of the cases were associated with EV68, others were not.6

    Like polio, other enteroviruses are transmitted through shedding of virus in respiratory and gastrointestinal body secretions. Most of the time an enterovirus infection is asymptomatic or there are mild flu-like symptoms that do not progress to paralysis or other serious complications.7 Rarely enterovirus infections like EV68 will cause inflammation of the brain (meningitis, encephalitis), paralysis and death.

    The exact cause of the cases of NPAFP among children in California, most of whom were born after 1999 and presumably were given shots of inactivated polio vaccine (IAV), has not been determined. Similarly in India, there has been no determination by government health officials about why there has been a recent dramatic increase in paralysis among tens of thousands of children that country.

    Source:
    http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/india-still-reporting-cases-of-polio-like-acute-flaccid-paralysis/

  • You don’t make the rules here.. a..hole. My website on its pages is just full of studies that are also referenced on Pubmed. You can respond to none of it. How many Pubmed studies from your side of it have I repeatedly shot down and shown the truth of regarding that study and those studies? Perhaps you better get a reality check going here, and just follow your own self made rules.

  • So you thus admit, and so called Al; that you refuse the evidence of the truth, and that you can not handle the vaccine truth, and nor the evidence of the real history of pharma medicine, and nor the evidence of its beginning and to the current time failure, and for the last 100 years. Nice job. At least that much is clearly confirmed.

  • Ruth

    Some of it is about controlling people rather than money. As a monopoly run by pharmaceutical industries and supported by governments, their interest is a powerful thing.

  • Ruth

    The assumption here is that vaccines actually work, right? Lol.

  • Ruth

    The pharmaceutical industry loves a good meme. It’s an advertising tool. They have some really good ones. I guess the only thing that keeps them in business is that they can’t be sued – over vaccines. Great protection that.

  • The assumption is that they vaccines, actually work as advertised, and that they don’t cause vaccine injury; and in which both assumptions are clearly and obviously wrong. They will never give you an honest answer to anything at all; and so I thought I would provide one.

  • Al Mather

    Cut your dosage in half Lowell …your comprehension is nil, and your posts are starting to sound like a drunk fudging Shakespeare.

  • Ruth

    Aren’t you interested in what they put in vaccines? Perhaps you aren’t interested in the research (or lack of decent research) behind them either? I would recommend looking at a product insert. Very enlightening. And not just believing that ‘everything they do/make/force on you is – for your own good’. There are big vested interested here, from more people than you know.

  • Ruth

    Kind of sad that these days, standing up for your rights makes you a target. Medical fascism.

  • Which as to the information you fail repeatedly to address and refute, and because you can’t. All you can ever do is throw again and again false disrecrediation mud and poo at it; and where clearly nothing ever sticks. Only the typical pro-vaccine sources that we have already see and read 100 times before, are acceptable to you. And so actually you are not here to honestly debate any of these vaccine issues at all. Not a single one of the existing issues are you here to in any honesty, to debate; and so just go ahead and admit to that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgBjTPvVWNc

  • Dosage of what? Obviously my comprehension is clearly superior to yours. Your daily dosage of BS on this page is what actually needs to be cut. Perhaps you should want as well to pull yourself from living on that obviously corrupt rock that your on.

  • Al Mather
  • TellItAsIs99

    The medical money establishment will also tend to derail promising therapies when big finacial interests are at stake such as advances in regenerative medicine. For instance, there are many promising treatments for stroke disability recovery. Search on Bone Marrow Stem Cells therapy for stroke and find the recent Daily Mail UK article. Search on stem cell stroke treatment, John Brodie, Bart Starr or Gordie Howe who all made significant stroke improvement after stem cell treatment.
    Instead of information on these and other promising stroke treatments our hosipitals give without consent the stroke clot buster drug which is the system’s free russian roulette shot or two at ending our lives by inducing a fatal brain bleed. Brain cells die within minutes of a moderate ischemic stroke and the hospital ER is giving the drug hours later. Search: AAEM TPA position, The NNT TPA stroke, or in emergency medicine blogs or http://www.stroketreatmentrisktpa.co.nf for the stroke TPA drug controversy.

  • Al Mather

    Sounds to me like you accept that challenge!!.. mano y mano.. using the “pub med” validated source rules! …After all you can respond to any and honestly ..right? Especially if ..as you say.. ” In fact the real studies and the information clearly point to that you have nothing at all.”.. should be a cake walk.Only facts and assertions that.. “must be large scale research that is well designed, appropriately controlled, randomized & blinded and has statistical analysis that will stand up to the closest scrutiny of any other scientist or bio-statistician. The reference must also have been peer reviewed & published in an top tier medical or scientific journal of international stature that relates to the field of study.”?

  • Donald Monty

    Your reply is another dodge, not an answer.

  • Donald Monty

    And now another YouTube video.

  • Donald Monty

    Again, it’s great to see no reported wild-type polio in India due to a successful vaccination program. And looks like the non-polio AFP cases have dropped off too.

  • James Peters

    I know what is in vaccines. I hope this is not the ‘argument via package insert’. There is lots and lots of research

  • James Peters

    They do

  • Your reply is a dodge and because you can not even answer your own irrelevant question. If it is so relevant, and as I said then answer the question directly and show us why you believe the answer is relevant. You won’t answer the question, because you know that I am right in regard to what I have previously stated as to this issue. Actually there likely has never been a study done on it that said percentage; and because they would never want the public to realize what a Pediatricians practice actually and mainly consists of. You just simply refuse to face any form of reality and truth, at all.

  • That is right. Start actually educating yourself. It will do you good.

  • That certainly is not what this is showing in regard to those AFP numbers But you know just as long as that information and those AFP numbers never get revealed in the worlds major media sources which are all controlled through large amounts medical advertising money; the world will never be the wiser, right? Again polio vaccine will be the magic savior water, and all other harm it has done will be ignored. Nothing ever changes, now does it.

    This is actually a very damning report; and you clearly again refuse to see and acknowledge that. Nothing would ever be enough, now would it? You must continue to deny it all.

  • Doesn’t matter. When all you can respond with is a spelling correction instead of an actual reply; you clearly are beyond lost, and a loser. Pitiful and beyond pathetic.

  • I will reply comment anywhere that I want to, and which is the same thing that you do. You know what? Most cats would likely be far more educated and teachable, than you will ever be.

  • Donald Monty

    Hmm, so if “Actually there likely has never been a study done on it that said percentage”, why did you say, “What would happen to the practice of a Pediatrician if he couldn’t sell vaccines? They would be finished”? See, Lowell, it’s relevant because it directly pertains to the motive behind pediatricians giving vaccinations. Otherwise your argument is bunk. But you know that, which is why you’re still dodging.

  • Donald Monty

    What is damning about it?

  • Donald Monty

    Lol.

  • I’m dodging because such directly specific data is not available, and because common sense tells you that a large part of a Pediatricians practice involves giving vaccines and as well the numerous appointments they make to do so? Really? The rest of that a pediatrician does is see infants and children that have been directly their health harmed by vaccines and and as well because their immune systems directly dysregulated by use of injected multiple vaccines. I am getting beyond sick and tired of your dodging and spinning circles around the claim and your own argument. You should actually try to grow up and present with legitimate counter claims that are not just full of simply your own endless denial.

  • Donald Monty

    So it’s just a really strong personal belief then. Now was that so hard?

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Since you refused to attempt to answer the question it is obvious that you were unable to comprehend my point.

    Diseases can have different symptom profiles that require different treatment strategies.

    I wasn’t asking you to agree with me. I was asking you to think about the manifestations of disease not strategies of prevention.

  • Al Mather

    The dead doctor conspiracy is bogus.. not that that ever stops an anti vaxxer.
    http://m.snopes.com/2015/07/21/five-holistic-doctors-dead/

  • Donald Monty

    Who is derailing stem cell therapy for stroke treatment?

  • Donald Monty

    I said “Lowell’s” profile pic. That’s you.

  • Al Mather
  • And as if you do know know and realize what goes on in a Pediatricians office, and as if you can really and actually deny that. How beyond lying, attempting to be endlessly deceiving, and in entirely in denial of reality are you? That is a some really sick stuff you have going on; don’t you think?

  • Using Snopes is actually the most bogus attempt at and to find the truth, and to resource the truth, that you could ever find and reference to. Snopes is clearly and entirely a ignorance filled joke of a source of information.

  • Probably the same people that silenced and derailed the physiologically based promotion of the proven ischemic strokes information, and in regard to ischemic strokes caused by and after vaccinations? If it is not about selling patented pharmaceutical drugs, it is not ever making it out of the gate; and if they have their way within to much the to lose, pharmaceutical industry. There is more profit in just treating the symptoms than in ever finding and understanding the true physiologically based cause, and in the development of a real and working treatment that will actually treat and cure the problem.

  • That is actually a very good idea. Then put all the doctors in a room where those parents can actually teach them exactly what their big pharma schooled training, never did.

  • That the APF numbers are still happening in significantly large numbers, and directly associated in parallel with the numbers of OPV vaccine pushed and used.

  • Pfffft!!! That is a quote from you. You thought it worked quite well, so i thought I would use it, too. You and Monty are clearly the REAL quacks, so just face it.

  • Al Mather

    This from the guy whose almost every link is an anti vax site with vac in the name ..created to be nothing more than anti vax propaganda …that you consider “independent”. Tell me ONE fact out of all that info that Snopes got wrong??

  • Al Mather

    Compared to most of your thoughts Lowell I’m sure this seems brilliant.

  • Al Mather

    What you read is important too Lowell.. garbage in…garbage out as they say..

    **Universities like Stanford and Oxford,

    **Science Magazine …published by AAAS..American Association for the Advancement of Science ..The worlds largest general scientific society..an international non-profit organization dedicated to advancing science for the benefit of all people.

    **PBS (the folks who bring us NOVA and Nature)…

    **The National Center for Biotechnology.. which. aside from supporting a staggeringly large & mind blowing data base on health related genetic and molecular studies and info…

    *conducts research on fundamental biomedical problems at the molecular level using mathematical and computational methods

    *maintains collaborations with several NIH institutes, academia, industry, and other governmental agencies

    *fosters scientific communication by sponsoring meetings, workshops, and lecture series

    *supports training on basic and applied research in computational biology for postdoctoral fellows through the NIH Intramural Research Program

    *engages members of the international scientific community in informatics research and training through the Scientific Visitors Program

    *develops, distributes, supports, and coordinates access to a variety of databases and software for the scientific and medical communities

    *develops and promotes standards for databases, data deposition and exchange, and biological nomenclature )

    According to you … so called Lowell.. These esteemed and reputable and truly remarkable organizations are shameless pro-vaccine fronts??? Truth rejecters ??? Mindless and irrelevant load of bull-crap???

    Then we have your sources of so called “Truth” **Medicinekillsmillions.com.. a blog site which aggregates anti medicine articles and so called “facts” and then right at the bottom below all their spew they put this ***

    Disclaimer: The information on this website is presented for educational purposes only and is not intended as a substitute for professional or medical advice. We disclaim all liability to any person arising directly or indirectly from the use of the information provided. Although the information included here and linked to is highly recommended we do not necessarily share all the views expressed by the authors nor have any affiliation with them.

    ****

    Basically saying ” just because we say it don’t hold us to it we could be full of crap”

    **Vaccination Council..where do we start.. Mayer Eisenstein founder of Vaccine Council….treated kids with chemical castration ..Lupron injections..Had the largest judgment ever awarded… placed against him in a baby death malpractice.. not his only one… Right up till his death he pitched his snake oil ..Oh the deals! “Vitamin D3 and probiotic treatments to prevent swine flu — “A $71 value, YOURS FOR ONLY $39.”
    ** Suzanne Humphries..embraces homeopathy … nuff said.
    **Sherri Tenpenny..former Osteopath.. no formal training in immunology or infectious diseases..claims to be a vaccine expert. Never published anything. Except of course her anti vax blog and so called books which CAN BE YOURS FOR A LITTLE $$$..step right up!!

    And you constantly rant how every one who disagrees with you is “rejecting vaccine truth”? Lol. What a pack of vile & screwed up losers you have put your undying faith in.

    These folks are what you, Lowell, consider INDEPENDENT??? TRUSTED??? TRUTHFUL???

    You’re self medicating with delusion now Lowell. Time to clear your head.

  • Donald Monty

    Those are good questions for you, actually.

  • Donald Monty

    Well who are those people though?

  • Donald Monty

    But Barbara reported a big drop in non-polio AFP this year and still no wild-type polio. And you know there is no credible evidence non-polio AFP is caused by OPV and that the majority of researchers feel the previous increase in cases was due to increased screening. We already discussed all that in the last Vaclie article.

  • Ruth

    I would strongly suggest you put your ‘faith’ in something more benign, like Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.

  • Ruth
  • Ruth

    Yes, I’m looking at an insert now by GlaxoSmithKline. It’s for this year’s flu vax. It’s based on clinical studies between 1992-2001. I’m overwhelmed that they should use such modern information (not)! I might have been impressed if it was more up to date. Perhaps they didn’t think I’d be interested in research?
    It also only contains 3 strains of flu virus. I’m not sure how they ‘pick’ them. Perhaps they use a roulette wheel? There are literally over a hundred different strains of flu. 15% of which cause a common cold. The really bizarre thing about the public is that they think they are ‘protected’ against getting sick if they take a flu shot. What a load of bull! You’d get more protection from Vitamin C.

  • Ruth

    Do you need a ‘pat on the head’ for derailing a discussion thread? Lol.

  • Well, your obviously right in the middle of that obviously corrupt rock circle; and don’t you know?

  • More like wake up call, boot in the rear end.

  • Thank you Ruth; keep up the great work, and as to the current information.

    And I thought this was quite the perfect example of quite interesting information, as well. This below is the recent and desperate attempt of one, Dr Richard Pan; and to deny and to falsely circumvent the vaccine truth. Mr (so called) Donald Monty would never be reply posting what he has here, and if he had to use his or her real name and identity, Ruth. We all know that. People like that do not care what the truth is. It is all about defending their for profit and to much to lose empire.

    Sen. Richard Pan calls out Jim Carrey’s vaccine claims
    http://www.news10.net/story/news/politics/2015/07/30/sen-richard-pan-calls-out-jim-carreys-vaccine-claims/30892729/

    And so I decided to proved a reply to that articles in denial and as to their so typically twisted vaccine misinformation, and I reply posted that on the said page. Here goes, and as it was reply posted.

    Your arrogance and in even beginning to open you mouth, so called Dr and Senator Pan, will be in the end, clearly leading to your downfall. The vaccine and pharmaceutical corruption runs so deep, that you can not even imagine how deep that rabbit hole actually goes, and for now how many endless decades. Enjoy it while you can, Mr (BED) Pan. Your lies, misinformation, and as well the foundations of the standard medical model, are literally being exposed and thus crumbling around you, and as you speak.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    Aluminum Adjuvants – Lack of Safety Data – Lack of Aluminum Adjuvant Safety Studies, (80 years ago FDA determined to have a status of GRAS, and thus no safety studies have been required since that time).

    Aluminum has been exempted from testing for safety by the FDA under a convoluted logic wherein it is classified as GRAS. (Generally Regarded As Safe.) It has never been tested by the FDA on its safety and there are NO restrictions whatever on the amount, and nor in and as to the use of aluminum).

    http://www.vacfacts.info/aluminum-vaccine-adjuvants.html

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Part 1: Immune Activation and Autism
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    A More Rigorous Defense of Al Adjuvant, and Why it is Wrong
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    The Vaccine Damage Science & The Real Data
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-vaccine-damage—science.html

    Vaccine injuries, Dr. Andrew Moulden, Conférence Liberté de Choix en Santé, Montréal, 12 sept. 2009
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Pb2gqbkyk

    Health Canada Corruption – Dr. Andrew Moulden – MD, PhD
    Dr. Andrew Moulden getting the message of truth out to people about the extreme corporate corruption of Health Canada, the FDA, and other corporate controlled medical care entities that are, in fact, destroying peoples health with vaccines and other chemical pharmaceutical drugs. (This is the EXTENT of what they have already ignored, for years). Andrew Moulden, now deseased as of last December.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbo5vf_health-canada-corruption-dr-andrew_news

    Dr. Andrew Moulden in Hamilton, Ont, Canada Nov 30/09 – 1of4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ApDkvCNQo

    Vaccine Caused Ischemia/Hypoxia
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-caused-ischemiahypoxia.html

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Vaccine Contamination
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-contamination.html

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

    Glutathione, Tylenol, Vaccine Adverse Reactions, and ASD
    http://www.vacfacts.info/glutathione-tylenol-vaccine-adverse-reactions-and-asd.html

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    At 1:02:30, Mr Posey speaks to congress on the CDC corruption, and in regard to the MMR vaccine studies.
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?327309-1/us-house-morning-hour&live=

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

    Rhode Island Mandates 7th Graders Get Dangerous HPV Vaccine – Adverse Reactions Hidden from Parents

    It was announced this week that 7th graders in Rhode Island would be required to have the Gardasil HPV vaccine as a requirement for attending school. The HPV vaccine has become very controversial, particularly outside of the United States, due to the large amount of injuries being attributed to the vaccine, and in some cases, also deaths. Sadly, parents are generally not warned about the serious adverse reactions to the vaccine.

    Read more:
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/rhode-island-mandates-7th-graders-get-dangerous-hpv-vaccine-adverse-reactions-hidden-from-parents/

    Paul Offit-The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/paul-offit—the-real-truth.html

    The Currently Failed Flu Vaccine Expose/ With Original Antigenic Sin Study Info
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-currently-failed-flu-vaccine-expose-with-original-antigenic-sin-study-info.html

    The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

    First Medical Textbook Devoted to Research Linking Vaccines to Autoimmunity
    http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/first-medical-textbook-devoted-to-research-linking-vaccines-to-autoimmunity

    Explosive: The real reason Holistic Doctors are being killed and vanishing!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALgIHETMDU

    Is the medical-pharmaceutical-regulatory cartel assassinating holistic physicians because of a new vaccine-linked discovery?
    http://www.sott.net/article/299470-Is-the-medical-pharmaceutical-regulatory-cartel-assassinating-holistic-physicians-because-of-a-new-vaccine-linked-discovery

    Another Florida Doctor Murdered, Bringing Total to 8 Dead & 5 Missing in Just the Last Month
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/florida-doctor-murdered-bringing-total-8-dead-5-missing-month/#2q674sUW255K4b4T.01

    Body found in Door County positively identified as missing doctor, Jeffrey Whiteside
    http://fox6now.com/2015/07/23/body-found-in-door-county-no-identification/

    Holistic cancer doctor Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez has passed away suddenly, patients and friends mourn this tragic event
    http://fox6now.com/2015/07/23/body-found-in-door-county-no-identification/

    Holistic cancer treatment pioneer Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez dies suddenly; patients mourn the loss of a compassionate, innovative doctor who helped thousands heal from cancer
    http://www.naturalnews.com/050500_Dr_Nicholas_Gonzalez_unexpected_death_alternative_cancer_treatments.html#ixzz3glmtmoTk

    Chapter 9
    Nagalase: Friend and Foe?
    http://gcmaf.timsmithmd.com/book/chapter/52/

    Dr. Bradstreet, Nagalase, and the Viral Issue in Autism
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/dr-bradstreet-nagalase-and-the-viral-issue-in-autism.html

    GcMAF, Dr. Bradstreet, and the coverup of autism causes and effective therapies
    http://www.examiner.com/article/gcmaf-dr-bradstreet-and-the-coverup-of-autism-causes-and-effective-therapies

    GcMAF, Dr. Bradstreet, and the coverup of autism causes and effective therapies
    http://www.examiner.com/article/gcmaf-dr-bradstreet-and-the-coverup-of-autism-causes-and-effective-therapies

    GcMAF for the treatment of cancer, autism, inflammation, viral and bacterial disease
    http://www.faim.org/autism/gcmaf-treatment-cancer-autism-inflammation-viral-bacterial-disease.html

    GcMAF, nagalase and autism
    http://questioning-answers.blogspot.com/2012/12/gcmaf-nagalase-and-autism.html

    GcMAF – Your body’s own internal medicine
    https://gcmaf.biz/

    Clinical experience of integrative cancer immunotherapy with GcMAF.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23780980/

    GcMAF, standard therapy
    http://immunemedicine.com/available-therapies/gcmaf/

    GcMAF: The Latest Discovery in Natural Cancer Treatments
    http://www.cheap-health-revolution.com/gcmaf.html#sthash.ZxNyylDJ.dpuf

    GcMAF INVESTIGATION: Three days before Dr. Bradstreet was found dead in a river, U.S. govt. agents raided his research facility to seize a breakthrough cancer treatment called GcMAF
    http://www.naturalnews.com/050553_Dr_Bradstreet_GcMAF_cancer_therapy.html

    Nicholas Gonzalez, M.D. – Scientifically No Polio Vaccine was Needed
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/nicholas-gonzalez-m-d-scientifically-no-polio-vaccine-was-needed/

    The Cancer Industry is Too Prosperous to Allow a Cure
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/the-cancer-industry-is-too-prosperous-to-allow-a-cure/

    How Much?! Global Spending on Cancer Medicines Hit $100B Last Year
    http://blogs.wsj.com/pharmalot/2015/05/05/how-much-global-spending-on-cancer-medicines-hit-100b-last-year/

    Making a Killing with Cancer: A 124.6 Billion Dollar Industry
    http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/making-a-killing-with-cancer-a-124-6-billion-dollar-industry-12092013

  • And you continue to argue, just to argue; and no matter how lost your argument is and becomes.

  • Patricia P. Tursi

    There are other ways to treat stroke than stem cell and they exist now. I find it ghoulish to use fetal parts. I am for women having their decision on abortion, however.

    Dr. Stanley Jacob, head of transplant dept, discovered DMSO’s attributes and used it intravenously to reverse strokes, as well as other problems and also for immediate pain relief. He spent his life trying to get FDA approval, but alas, no patent for making a billion, so never approved..made from pine bark and naturally occurring in the body.

    MSM is made from DMSO and it or sulfate should be taken daily. IAlso, increase transdermal magnesium …magnesium is number one correlate for the heart.
    Hyperbolic Chambers have been used successfully . Both of these methods work best if applied soon after incident.
    The best is prevention…avoid vaccines, statins, synthetic pharmaceuticals. Mother Nature is best. Take K2, detox with nano-sized zeolite that passes the brain barrier, keep your body in balance with nutrients and micro nutrients, avoid synthetics (including GMOs) and other toxins. Best I can come up with off top of my head…many, many cures as there are pathways to heaven. Eat organic!
    A final suggestion, avoid strictly allopathic practitioners, use functional medicine practitioners, or integrative or holistic practitioners.

    Oh, and avoid vaccines like the plague. Check our namatase (it is not a Hindu greeting) that occurs naturally in our bodies, but is put into vaccines and why so many doctors knowing this are committing suicide?m disappearing, …like Dr. Bradstreet, who reported reversing autism and had his lab raided by FDA…3 days later, he’s floating down a river with a shotgun wound to his chest…or my hero…Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez, who was helping patients reverse pancreatic cancer . They were all studying GcMAF performing miracles. Not safe attacking a billion dollar industry.

    Heart attacks can induced electronically and via long distance.

  • Capt Ron

    Most state and county Departments of Health (DOH) provide vaccines for children to clinics for FREE and the DOH limits the amount clinics can charge to administer the vaccine. The charges for adult vaccines are also regulated. Big money for peds clinics? NO.

  • Vactruth.com and in Regard to the Real Vaccine Truth, (my video)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6njlNH3Kkbc

  • James Peters

    Science doesn’t care what you think. Vaccines are highly safe and effective. I don’t need any faith

  • James Peters

    The link doesn’t work?. You can get a PDF from the vaccine manufacturer.

  • James Peters
  • James Peters

    ”CONCLUSION Among patients who have pancreatic cancer, those who chose gemcitabine-based chemotherapy survived more than three times as long (14.0 v 4.3 months) and had better quality of life than those who chose proteolytic enzyme treatment.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19687327

  • Ruth

    No, you need scientific proof. In the absence of scientific proof, faith will have to do! It helps if a person knows the difference, especially if they are looking at something which somebody or something has claimed is true, whilst simultaneously ignoring all or any facts to the contrary. Some sort of bias at work, perhaps.

  • Donald Monty

    So you don’t know?

  • Donald Monty

    No, that’s you.

  • Henri Callahan

    They don’t? What happened to Small Pox? There are two places in the world where polio is still out in the wild. Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Al Qaeda tribal leaders think vaccinations are a plot to make Muslims sterile. they have murdered vaccination teams. So there you go…Al Qaeda is your ally. As for your disbelief in the efficacy of vaccines I’m wondering if you will rely on hand washing, nutrition and holistic medicine should you be bitten by a rabid dog.

  • That is RIGHT will rely on hand washing, nutrition and holistic medicine; and far before the use of toxic and contaminated vaccines!!! Educate yourself. Plenty of information is right in front of you. In this day of information, ignorance is a choice!

  • Is that what you came here to do; to simply make this a you are, and no you are. argument? How entirely pathetic, are you.

  • Crapfacts? No that is from the WHO, CDC, AAP, and the Offit CHOP sources.

  • Henri Callahan

    You have chosen…poorly. But do we have your word that if you are infected with rabies you will wash your hands, eat your veggies and keep us up to date on how the woo has protected you from a disease that witch doctors, (past holistic practitioners) had no way to cure.

  • Ruth

    Al Qaeda certainly isn’t my ally and I’m not sure what it has to do with polio, rabid dogs or small pox…Your post is a bit like a load of dirty washing, all thrown in together! I’m surprised you didn’t mention the drug trade as well, but then I suppose that’s the opposite side of the ‘kosher’ coin.

    Vaccine verisimilitude seems to have started with small pox. It might be a good idea to start with the problems related that.

    -http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/08/27/vaccination-a-mythical-history-by-roman-bystrianyk-and-suzanne-humphries-md/

  • Henri Callahan

    I hadn’t heard of this crank so I Googled it. He was a true quack, a quack to rule over all the others. Didn’t believe in germ theory. Kept getting degrees to add to his name. Had none that would allow him to practice medicine. I’m not sure why you would bother to wash your hands since this guy believed that clumping blood cells caused disease. Finally this from his sister:

    Sad news on

    Dr Andrew Moulden’s Facebook Page
    page:

    “For those of you who don’t know, My Brother Drew J Moulden passed
    away earlier this week.

    He was a wonderful person, brother and a Brilliant Doctor and he
    will be missed by us all.

    We had our own connection and we just spoke weeks ago when I was in
    ICU here in Calgary …I Love you Drew and you know you’ll always
    have a place in my Heart xoxo

    Much

    Your Sis

    Tanya”

    (Passed on Monday November 4th 2013)

  • Donald Monty

    No, that’s what you’re doing right now.

  • Rabies is largely an animal disease, and it is clearly not in the same category with such as pertussis, measles, diphtheria, polio, small pox and etc. I do not expect and nor intend to get attacked by any rabid animals in the near future; but only the rabidly in denial of all vaccine truth, pro-vaccine shills.

  • You are a sad, poor, and pathetic excuse for a vaccine shill, Henri. You are clueless, and I resent your pathetic attempt to belittle a man who is now dead; and who was a friend of mine and to many others. This man knew more about the evidence of vaccine injury and vaccine truth, than obviously you ever will and even if you lived another 10 life times. Why do you refuse to actually educate yourself? And why do you as well refuse that, and while attempting to reply post on issues that you are obviously and intentionally clueless about.

  • That is why those Pediatricians live in those fancy houses and drive the latest new vehicles; and because they are not making any big money. Those visits are expensive; but its not big money. And where does the state and county get their money for those provided vaccines? Your arguments really do borderline on the brink of in denial, madness.

  • Really, and so lets see you actually explain that specifically?

  • Let me know when you can present with a reply post that is actually coherent and that actually makes a point that some relevance and substantiated and referenced to truth in it.

  • Donald Monty

    Well you made an unsupportable statement about pediatricians’ offices, then I called you out on it, and you dodged for a while, and I called you out on that, then you tried personal attacks, then you just started posting crap to try to get in the last word.

  • Mrs Meets

    Thanks for the info. It was very interesting to read.

  • Henri Callahan

    Well, i still have my Small Pox vaccine scar but I have no need for a booster because Small Pox is extinct in the wild. We vaccine Big Pharma Shill folks killed it. You also won’t find polio in the wild for the same reason. Every time you vaccine deniers don’t have to get stuck by the scary needles you should thank us. Six of every ten diseases of humans are zoonotic and rabies is one of them and if I’m to assume you are a mammal then you don’t necessarily have to be bitten to contract it.

  • Henri Callahan

    Sorry I didn’t get right back, I’ve been waiting by the mail boxes for my retainer from the Big Pharma companies. I don’t think it’s even “in the mail”. I’m wondering if the “friend of mine” quote is a figure of speech as it was apparent from Mouldens ramblings that he had mental health issues. You didn’t warn him…shame.

  • Warn him of what? Actually you have no clue as to what he actually was. I do know what he was. I think that you are actually and simply put, sick and disgusting; and who and what are you covering for, Henri? I have seen you before, and its is like reply posting against a very poorly educated and brainwashed person with literal and obviously existing, dementia.

  • How many people were ever vaccinated for small pox and globally? The figure has been said to be, at best, 10%. Where was your so called vaccine derived, herd immunity? So you are telling me that I do not have to be bitten by a rabid animal, to get rabies? Really? And how does that work? Is some rabid Pediatrician going to bite me, or perhaps are you going to send a crew to inject me with it? Good luck with that.

  • James Peters

    I will add some links. I’ve added many in the past on this site

  • James Peters
  • AutismDad

    More a hoof in the prunes

  • AutismDad

    So. Then why don’t they stop and not bother?

  • AutismDad

    There are outbreaks. Ask the vaccinated.

  • AutismDad

    James Clueless Peters same old lame old.

  • AutismDad
  • Al Mather

    Why should they? Some have.. but the need for vaccines is still there. The market for them isn’t going away despite all the ignorance.

  • AutismDad

    We know what happens to doctors who don’t bow down, they get threatened.

  • AutismDad

    That’s your genius response? I think we both know you are full of crud.

  • Al Mather

    Okay AD if that response is way off why don’t you explain why they don’t “stop and not bother” .

  • AutismDad

    I’m not the one claiming it must be a bother to ONLY make 25 Billion on vaccines. They are delighted and their monopoly hasn’t hurt shareholders fortunes.

  • Al Mather

    Whose monopoly?

  • Or they get, killed.

    The Real Reason Holistic Doctors are Being Killed and Vanishing!
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-reason-holistic-doctors-are-being-killed-and-vanishing.html

    ALERT**DOC who ‘LINKED VACCINES to AUTISM’ FOUND SHOT, FLOATING in RIVER.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVt02KaUU38

  • Dark Kuno

    well you just demonstrated your complete lack of any medical understanding of how vaccines work with the two words you just used to describe them.

  • Dark Kuno

    The majority of which have been due to the unvaccinated travelling to areas where those diseases are not checked due to their own lack of broad-base vaccinations and then returning to the U.S.

  • Dark Kuno

    Education advice from someone who ignores almost a century of scientific evidence surrounding vaccines.

    Here’s a link for you Lowell

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony

  • Oh, new vaccine shill with again no actual identity; imagine that? A definition link to the word, irony? Wow, you are so clever; and what no reference link to the so called century of science? Imagine that as well

    There is no science that shows nor proves the eradication of small pox. There is none for polio. There is none for diphtheria. The majority of vaccinations effect has been to create nothing but even more chronic health conditions, illness, and disease, period. You simply can not inject that level of toxic and contaminated substances, and have a positive effect on human health.

  • Obviously you do not understand how unnaturally those toxic and contaminated vaccines, work. Vaccines circumvent entirely the natural immune processes of the human body.

    How vaccines work has nothing to do with the alternatives to vaccines.

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

    Here is another interesting piece that explains a bit more as to the illness/disease processes; and as well this is a good one for those who think that vaccines have been the answer. Your vaccines worshiping selective ignorance, again just wastes my time.

    THE REASON BEHIND THE RASH OF DEAD OR MISSING DOCTORS, ALL IN ONE MONTH
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_9Seq8jdT4&feature=share

  • The studies say may prevent, or may potentially prevent. There has never been any study that shows that HPV vaccine has actually prevented a single case of cervical cancer, and nor that it ever will. HPV is only a potential factor if and when the immune system is to compromised or dysregulated to eliminate that HPV from the body naturally and through the immune process. So knowing that, why would you want to dysregulate the immune system further and by injecting a toxic aluminum adjuvant containing, and proven HPV/DNA contaminated Gardasil vaccine? HPV/DNA of the vaccine strain found firmly attached to the aluminum adjuvant. Autopsy studies have shown that the said contamination never leaves the body and nor the brain blood and organs. You want all this for your own daughter, and this kind of risk? Educate yourself before you reply.

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

    Gardasil The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil—the-real-truth.html

  • More junk science that doesn’t show and nor prove even as much as what the title of the study states it has? You are not even within a beginning level of being educated on these matters, that can even begin to compete in this arena. I guarantee it.

  • Facts, are not just simply personal belief, or don’t you know the difference?

  • No actually what I stated regarding pediatricians offices, was indeed correct, and you had nothing to refute it with; and so you just kept on responding like a bratty child, and with your nonsense filled replies. Just so you could get the last word.

  • As for the information you ignored and/or refused to review; common sense shows us that indeed the increase in OPV doses pushed and used in India, shows a direct and parallel correlation to the significant increase in the numbers of AFP cases. Thus the only common sense conclusion is that the OPV was the root cause.

  • Did you expect the billion dollar cancer industry to come up with any other conclusion? And if proteolytic enzymes had actually been found to be the better alternative, do you actually expect this source of the study and which is actually a part of the cancer industry, to actually admit to and publish a study with that outcome?

    As well with the additional issue of nagalase and GcMAF, they were moving in the direction where proteolytic enzymes would have likely become obsolete.

    The Real Reason Holistic Doctors are Being Killed and Vanishing!
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-reason-holistic-doctors-are-being-killed-and-vanishing.html

  • If you believe what you reference to, then you should as well read of the unbiased and independent side of it. Cutting straight through all the biased and corrupt BS.

    Dr. Jeff Bradstreet Murder vs. Suicide: Media Spin Evidences Organized Crime
    http://medicalveritas.org/dr-jeff-bradstreet-murder-vs-suicide-media-propaganda-evidences-organized-crime/

    So with all of these studies and this information, you are still going to attempt to claim that Gonzalez was a quack? And what else are you going to claim to, that the billion dollar cancer industry and their protocols, are an amazing success story?

    GcMAF – Your body’s own internal medicine
    https://gcmaf.biz/

    As of February 2013, on the American National Library of Medicine alone, 142 eminent scientists from 8 nations have published 59 major GcMAF research papers. These can be viewed on the US Government’s, Pubmed system.
    https://gcmaf.se/gcmaf-science/142-gcmaf-scientists/

    Here is the list on the US Library of Medicine, (PubMed) searching on:
    GcMAF OR “vitamin D binding protein” AND “macrophage activating factor”
    http://www.gcmaf.asia/gcmaf-products/142-gcmaf-scientists/

    If they were finding a nagalese issue with vaccines and in relation to autism and cancer, that indeed and as well, was big.

    GcMAF and Nagalase Information Sheet
    http://www.drhirani.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Information-Sheet-GcMAF.pdf

    Published Medical Journals

    The following papers have been published, which have been summarised in plainer English to make it easier to find information: All the 19 studies below show a positive effect of GcMAF in the treatment of cancers. GcMAF works in several ways, as proven by the evidence. Further down, you will find details of GcMAF in other applications

    http://www.gcmafresearch.com/published-medical-journals.html

    HOW GcMAF WORKS.
    Your body’s own internal medicine
    http://www.bravo-probiotics.com/uploads/1/1/0/7/11070044/_gcmaf_pdf_11__scientific_research.pdf

    Cancer cells destroyed by First Immune GcMAF (gcmaf.eu)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1WZrnCcH24

  • What about it, alias Donald Monty, formerly known in 2010 as character name, Costner (sic).

  • Donald Monty

    Again with the Costner thing? Well no one in his right mind would want anyone that looks like you and has such a warped view of the world to know who they are or where they live, of course.

  • Donald Monty

    What about Wifi? Or I-Phone usage? Or global warning? Or the U.S. national debt?

  • Donald Monty

    How was it “indeed correct”? You showed nothing to support it.

  • Donald Monty

    Where are your facts?

  • Donald Monty

    Oh wow another Hubbs video.

  • Donald Monty

    So after being owned in all the prior comments you post 46 more BS links to anti-vaccine opinion pieces. Like all of a sudden they’ll become legitimate? Something like that?

  • Donald Monty

    Still waiting for an answer.

  • Donald Monty

    Hey it’s AutismDad again!

  • Donald Monty

    16 more links! Wow anyone who can post gluts of links must be on to something, right?

  • Lots of good and important information in there; you should start educating yourself, and facing reality; but of course you refuse to.

    Just say it? “I alias no identity, Donald Monty, refuse any and all information and reference material that is not pro-vaccine”. Say it as well, “I refuse the shown to me vaccine truth and reality, on all levels” “I will continue to worship the toxic and contaminated vaccine holy water; and with full support of the parroted and fed to me, and now endless safe and effective, (with added a lot of get vaccinated false fear mongering), false vaccine propaganda and misinformation”,

  • For what? A boot in the rear end?

    Your surely like to ask pointless questions, but yet you have a lot of difficulty and with refusal to ever answering any.

  • Again, there is lots of good information, and also numerous applicable studies on those pages. You really should try and actually educate yourself. You clearly continue to refuse all forms of vaccine truth and reality, alias Monty. Just admit it. So what are you actually here for, if your not here to get into some honest debated regarding this subject matter? Is your only role here, intended to be the gatekeeper of complete denial? Obviously so.

  • That’s right; and it exposes you and your sickening demands and tactics, even further.

  • What a dumb and in complete denial question. Those informational facts are repeatedly reply posted on this article, and as you know, many other articles published here by vactruth. Your denial of all, does not make that any less of a reality.

  • We have already had this replying discussion. You made denial of any statement and fact that was put in front of you. And now you want to start that back up all over again, and just so again you can make denial of the same issues that were already addressed. That’s all you are here for is to play your endless, sick, and twisted game of repeated denial on all fronts.

  • So just like Paul Offit you want to blame anything but vaccines. Just like the gov’t and the CDC will fund millions to fund any study that doesn’t look at vaccines. Anything but that. Think how massive their liability is going to be if they at the CDC were ever forced to come clean as to the truth, and as to what they have known and when they knew it?

    The CDC’s Role in Undoing Vaccine Exemptions: the NACCHO Front Group
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdcs-role-undoing-vaccine-exemptions-naccho-front-group-1

    STATEMENT OF POLICY – NACCHO
    Eliminating Personal Belief Exemptions from Immunization Requirements for Child Care and School Attendance
    http://naccho.org/advocacy/positions/upload/11-06-Personal-Belief-Exemptions-2.pdf

    MEDICAL NUREMBERG FOR CDC NOW
    http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/medical-nuremberg-for-cdc-now

    HHS(.)gov
    U.S. Department of Health & Human Services
    The Nuremberg Code
    http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/archive/nurcode.html

    Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights
    http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

  • You are a liar. You are a coward. You have zero reference to any threats made to you. You have zero reason to believe there would ever be any such issue. All I have done is put forth the truth; and literally keep putting you again and again in your place in regard to the information. Warped view of the world? Really? And that coming from someone who is the most 24 hours a day 7 days a week, obsessed, persistent, delusional, dishonest, and the most lying individual I have ever reply posted against here on this site. You have not a lot to talk about, as to your own obviously warped existence, believe me.

    And again you still did not answer to my claim and nor my question. Your reply posting and your endless obsession, is exactly the same as it was then. You were as well just a obsessed at that time. Go ahead and tell me again, who should be worried about who? .

  • James Peters

    ”CONCLUSION Among patients who have pancreatic cancer, those who chose gemcitabine-based chemotherapy survived more than three times as long (14.0 v 4.3 months) and had better quality of life than those who chose proteolytic enzyme treatment.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19687327

    GcMAF is patented and in a clinical trial efranat.com/

    Also http://www.caladrius.com/our-technologies/cd34-cell-technology/

  • James Peters

    Nothing from a reputable journal

  • James Peters

    The worlds population is growing….. so

  • James Peters

    Correlation does not imply causation. Also were are the studies?

  • James Peters
  • James Peters

    Let me guess, is it Dr Yehuda Shoenfeld

  • James Peters

    Cancer survival in the UK has doubled in the last 40 years, also 50% off all people diagnosed will live 10 years or more. So many cancers are cured http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/survival

    The Gonzalez therapy/protocol was worse than useless ”CONCLUSION Among patients who have pancreatic cancer, those who chose gemcitabine-based chemotherapy survived more than three times as long (14.0 v 4.3 months) and had better quality of life than those who chose proteolytic enzyme treatment.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19687327

    GcMAF is patented and in a clinical trial http://efranat.com/

  • James Peters

    So still no studies to back your claims up?

  • James Peters

    First Immune/Immune Biotech never sold GcMAF as proven by Efranat, they even have a patent on it. Also a clinical trial is ongoing

  • James Peters

    Funding came from the NCI and the study was independent. There was no basis for his proteolytic enzymes to work. Also many of the chemo drugs used to treat pancreatic cancer today are long off patent, and they are still used, because they have been proven to help

  • Patricia P. Tursi

    There have been many trials with GcMAF and many research articles published, thanks for info, including those on ischemia. . As to treating pancreatic cancer with enzymes alone, the genius of Dr. Gonzalez, based on Dr. Kelly’s work, was that his protocol Included nutrition detoxing, supplements, etc….it was not a single approach. The protocol was also a way of life since we live in a sea of pollution and toxicity that is increasing. The goal ws reversing disease instead of putting it on hold. The issue of Nagalase, the immune suppressant that was in the vaccinations was the primary info that these researchers shared.

  • The National Cancer Institute is not independent. They are directly connected with the cancer industry and just like the American Cancer Society. You really don’t understand and nor get it, do you? is that by choice? The pancreatic cancer drugs were proven to help; compared to what, nothing? Why don’t they go to Cancer Treatment Centers of America and find out what alternative treatments they are using, and getting a much better survival rate? That and in regard to that pancreatic cancer is normally and eventually almost always an eventual death sentence, and within the standard cancer industry. I thought it was about actually giving a crap about cancer survival? Obviously it is not.

  • And your point is?

    Quite obviously the science shows that Gonzalez was never a quack, but actually a very intelligent man in his field. You lied.

    The Real Reason Holistic Doctors are Being Killed and Vanishing!
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-reason-holistic-doctors-are-being-killed-and-vanishing.html

  • What specifically what and which issue with vaccines do you want studies on? I can bury you in them and with studies and data reply posts 30 inches long.

    Start reviewing these pages and as well you just might wake up and find them.

    VacFacts
    http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • That is another biased cancer industry connected study. I don’t give damn about such studies, and as obviously none of them can ever be relied on to be accurate. What do you see below.

    J Clin Oncol. 2010 Apr 20;28(12):2058-63. doi: 10.1200/JCO.2009.22.8429. Epub 2009 Aug 17.

    And oh wow, 50% of the people diagnosed will live ten years or more? And how bad was the previous rate? Maybe if they were using cannabis oil they would have a cure rate where 85% of the people would live until natural death?

    You can not cure, with poison!
    http://www.vacfacts.info/natural-protocols-recovery-from-cancer.html

  • Don’t even waste my time with your trash replies. Nothing I put forth was of the ad hominem reply nature. It was simply the truth, and a truth that you obviously have an issue with.

  • The Callous Disregard link has loads of studies from reputable journals. Other than that when you actually look at the subject matter being addressed; do you actually think that would be a subject matter found in a journal, or lets say a big pharma directed and connected journal? And I take it that you would find such journals as the only thing that exists as reputable. In other words when it comes to the vaccine issue, only journals that only allow and publish pro-vaccine study material, would be acceptable to you. You trolling shills are all the same.

  • As long as you think that said Journal Clinical Oncology study still holds merit, I would suggest reading this, first.

    The Truth about the NCI-NCCAM Clinical Study
    http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/jco_rebuttal.htm

  • The big pharma monopoly on since 1987, no legal liability vaccines. You better get ready, looks like there will be a lot of vaccines for you to take.

    Here’s the list of the next 300 vaccines in the pipeline. Some are for cancer, but many are for children, adolescents and adults.
    http://www.phrma.org/sites/default/files/pdf/Vaccines_2013.pdf

  • Al Mather

    You two need to look up the definition of monopoly.

  • Donald Monty

    I should be worried about you. Look at the rage you just displayed.

  • Donald Monty

    Just like all anti-vaxxers, you just want to blame vaccines.

  • Donald Monty

    You never showed what percentage of a pediatrician’s revenue came from vaccines. Man up.

  • Donald Monty

    Then tell us what percentage of a pediatrician’s revenue comes from vaccines.

  • Donald Monty

    I’m sure it will go viral.

  • Donald Monty

    My role here is to counter the massive misinformation this site tries to spread.

  • Donald Monty

    Who is derailing stem cell therapy for stroke victims? Did you forget?

  • Donald Monty

    But you deny germ theory.

  • AK

    We all know that Donald and we are sure that BigPharma is paying you well to do just that.

  • Al Mather

    Ruth.. do you not find it odd that modern (anti vax) doctors would only dwell on the history of a certain disease as it was crudely recorded over a century ago…. and somehow conveniently skip over the single largest vaccination/eradication campaign in history which happened in modern times with the benefit of all modern methods of recording and epidemiological data collection????

  • Donald Monty

    You sound like a bright one.

  • Probably people like you?

  • And how has your lick been running with that intention? Seems to me like the opposite is happening and all that is getting countered here is your own twisted denial and your ignorance. You are doing nothing but attempted damage control and you know it. I think that as well you simply and personally can not handle the reality of the vaccine truth.

  • In never intended that it would. Its just an added little expose for the vactruth site, to expose the pathetic tactics that people like you are made of.

  • You still refuse to get it and to understand it, and all by your own in denial choice. You refuse to believe that thousands of children have been vaccine injured, and that the only possible explanation for the increase in autism, is vaccines. You are nothing but an intentionally clueless sheeple, that refuses to understand any form of real physiologically based health care. And where is it that work, and with a closed mind like you have?

  • You were already told, obviously a large part, and the rest comes from treating the harm done by vaccines; which result in the chronic conditions they are seeing. Parents with un-vaccinated children rarely if ever need a doctor for anything. Face it.

  • Like your pathetic excuse for existence resembles anything like a normal man? You are nothing but as lying coward that argues just to argue. If you are that stupid that you can not determine and realize that a large part of a pediatricians practice derives from giving vaccines, then there is no help for you. And do you actually think they would publish an article and.or a study that specifically details that exact amount? And of course without that written proof, you simply deny it all. I really have never posted against anyone more full of complete denial, and nor more pathetic than you. Maybe you should just stop being so obsessed with me, and get on to just working where you do.

  • What do you want to blame, to many Fruit Loops and Doritos? Maybe its global warming? Anything but vaccines. But yet you don’t know the cause; but your certain its not the vaccines.

  • Donald Monty

    So it’s just another really strong personal belief?

  • Donald Monty

    You have a warped idea of vaccine truth.

  • Donald Monty

    The masses will decide.

  • Donald Monty

    It’s not vaccines. It’s expanded diagnostic criteria and more screening. You’re just clinging to an old disproven theory.

  • I see, so now you call the truth and the truth about you, rage. Wow what an entirely twisted and literally and obviously demented mind resides within your head.

  • Donald Monty

    So you still have no idea.

  • Donald Monty

    So you don’t know and won’t admit it. I understand. And nice personal attack.

  • Donald Monty

    You don’t know the cause, but you’re certain it’s vaccines.

  • A billion dollar drug and vaccine empire controlling everything, disallowing any form of naturopathic health care, refusing any form of real physiological based health care, and in refusing to look for the real cause of health conditions; only selling drugs that cover up and address the symptoms. That and controlling all of the what they declare acceptable information to the public. What else would you call that, than a monopoly? Perhaps a mafia organization? If you can even deny that, then you clearly have no place here replying to anything at all.

  • Donald Monty

    No, your comments showed your rage. You seem to have calmed down now, though.

  • James Peters

    There is no such industry for a start. It seems you didn’t read it. From the link and I quote:

    ”Proteolytic Enzyme Treatment: The enzyme treatment included orally ingested proteolytic enzymes, nutritional supplements, detoxification, and an organic diet (unaltered from the pilot study).[3] Patients received three pancreatic enzyme and two magnesium citrate capsules with each meal. The patients also took specified numbers of capsules with magnesium citrate and Papaya Plus every 4 hours on an empty stomach. The dose for patients with stage II disease was 69 enzyme capsules, and the dose for patients with stages III or IV was 81 capsules per day. After day 16, patients had a 5-day rest period and then resumed treatment on day 22. Treatment could be adjusted by the physician and could be increased for cancer progression. A diet that required at least 70% of the food to be raw or minimally cooked was required. All food was organic. Prescribed detoxification procedures included coffee enemas twice each day; skin brushing and cleansing; salt and soda baths; and a liver flush, clean sweep, and purging.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2860407/ The third ref is this, Gonzalez NJ, Isaaacs LL. Evaluation of pancreatic proteolytic enzyme treatment of adenocarcinoma of the pancreas, with nutrition and detoxification support. Nutr Cancer. 1999;33:117–124 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10368805/

    So they did use the complete protocols, and no amount of special pleading from Gonzalez will change this.

  • James Peters

    Cancer survival in the UK has doubled in the last 40 years. In 2010-11 across all types and stages of cancer 50% will survive 10 years or more. However the UK is behind some countries in Europe with the rates 55-60%+ at the 10 year mark. We need to remember that there are 100 to over 200+ different types of cancer (the actual number depends on how some researchers subdivide some types) in humans. Each of these different cancers have different genetics, different prognoses, different causes, and different treatments. In other words, it is not one singular disease with one unified course of treatment. Every cancer is so different with such different physiology, there is just never going to be a magic pill. If you think you can do better then please email CRUK, and others and tell them

    Some of the studies found evidence that cannabinoids, under some circumstances, can actually stimulate cancer cell growth and possibly contribute to tumor progression http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15026328

    ”These effects while of potential benefits in some inflammatory/autoimmune diseases may worsen HIV infection, tumorigenesis and allergic inflammation in the lung.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9858061

    Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol enhances breast cancer growth and metastasis by suppression of the antitumor immune response http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15749859

    Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits antitumor immunity by a CB2 receptor-mediated, cytokine-dependent pathway http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10861074

    ”Median survival of the cohort from the beginning of cannabinoid administration was 24 weeks” and two lived for a whole year. Wow, talk about a cure! http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v95/n2/full/6603236a.html

    Furthermore, cancer cells can develop resistance to cannabinoids and start growing again http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3131933/

    You know what they call alternative medicine thats been proven to work?. Medicine. Got any Phase I-III trial data to prove cannabis treats cancer?. Got any other evidence to back some of the other claims?

  • James Peters

    Special pleading from the doc. The truth is it failed and a few million of tax payers money was wasted on it

  • James Peters

    There haven’t been many trials with GcMAF, as all the research so far was pre-clinical. Efranat are sponsoring a Phase I and its ongoing, you can read some more info here http://efranat.com/Research-Development/Canines-Treatment-Results.aspx and here http://efranat.com/News-Events.aspx

    The trial did included the the enzyme treatment with orally ingested proteolytic enzymes, nutritional supplements, detoxification, and an organic diet, ect which was unaltered from the pilot study by Dr Gonzalez.

    Also cancer cells use more than nagalase to get around the immune system, like CD47 which can stop macrophages, PDL1 which can stop the T-cell attack and much more besides http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867411001279

  • James Peters

    Then please post the links to the studies?. There is no such thing as ”Big Pharma” as there are many companies. The journals aren’t directed or connected to any company either. The Lancet published a meta-analysis of the available studies on the safety of rofecoxib (Vioxx) (Jüni et al., 2004). The authors concluded that, owing to the known cardiovascular risk, it should have been withdrawn a number of years earlier. They also published an editorial which condemned both Merck and the FDA for the continued availability of the drug from 2000 until the recall http://thelancet.com/journal/vol364/iss9446/full/llan.364.9446.early_online_publication.31178.1 There are more like this too. So nobody is controlling them

  • James Peters
  • James Peters

    I will quote back your reply to me: ”You are not even within beginning level of being educated on these matters, that can even begin to compete in this arena. I guarantee it” So you were attacking me, that was an ad hominem. Try dealing with the studies I added, rather than simply calling the science ”junk” or claiming what you stated ”the truth”

  • James Peters

    That vaccines don’t work as advertised, they do cause injury and so on. You have stated this after all. So where are all these studies?

  • James Peters

    Yes the US NCI is independent, unless you can prove otherwise?. They aren’t directly connected with the ”cancer industry” as no such thing exists. The same can be said of the ACS, unless you can prove it?. This study has funding from the NCI http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23381814

    In a Phase III trial standard of care (SOC) is given along side a placebo verses standard of care and the experimental drug. So the experimental drug has to be shown to work better than SOC alone. The drugs given to pancreatic cancer patients are proven to help. Maybe you can post links to these ”alternatives” the Cancer Treatment Centers of America are using?. Also the data that shows they are working and getting a much better survival rate?. There are many clinical trials ongoing with pancreatic cancer, the reason it hasn’t changed much over the years is because it has been a rare cancer and its lacked a lot of funding. Worse still by the time its diagnosed its already late stage and its either spread to the lymph nodes or the liver. Also its not surgically resectable either. Some trials http://www.cancerresearch.org/cancer-immunotherapy/impacting-all-cancers/pancreatic-cancer and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiXbc2g6JyM

  • James Peters

    Some of the links you added are run by First Immune/Immune Biotech (HQ in Guernsey, UK). Worse still the UK MHRA states: ”The blood plasma starting material being used to make this drug stated ‘Not to be administered to humans or used in any drug products’. It was concluded that the production site does not meet Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP) standards and there are concerns over the sterility of the medicine being produced and the equipment being used. There are concerns that the product may be contaminated.” https://www.gov.uk/government/news/regulator-warns-against-gcmaf-made-in-unlicensed-facility-in-cambridgeshire Also “Because this is a molecule that appears naturally in the body, the patent does not involve the material; it refers only to the production process. It was therefore easy to bypass it, and it is easy for all sorts of people around the world to sell promises that Dr Yamamoto himself did not make. For example, one doctor set up a company in Guernsey Island that markets containers allegedly containing the material. We bought one of his containers, and couldn’t find the molecule in it. We’re keeping our distance from these people. We just want to produce and test the material according to the rules.” http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-cancer-treatment-developer-efranat-raises-45-million-1000987334

    Please do tell me what I lied about?

    Also why would these alternative doctors be killed and end up vanishing?. Also who is doing it?

  • James Peters

    No its not, nobody is killing them

  • Al Mather

    “A billion dollar drug and vaccine empire controlling everything,”???? “disallowing any form of naturopathic health care, refusing any form of real physiological based health care”???? If there was only one Pharma company instead of competition you would have a case instead of a delusion Lowell.

  • allensouth
  • Al Mather

    What I deny is YOU understanding the definition of monopoly.

  • Quite obviously I more than understand it. Your denial is clearly found ONLY in YOUR OWN mind, get it yet?

    How about these latest videos on vaccine truth?

    Another Holistic Public Health Servant Dead, Bringing The Total To 9
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWBNfhbTkxU

    Explosive: The real reason Holistic Doctors are being killed and vanishing!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALgIHETMDU

    Another Holistic Public Health Servant Dead, Bringing The Total To 9
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWBNfhbTkxU

    Explosive: The real reason Holistic Doctors are being killed and vanishing!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALgIHETMDU

    Nagalase, GcMAF, Autism, and Dr Jeff Bradstreet
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPFrYb4GmIc

    Nagalase. GcMAF, the CDC, FDA, Pediatrics, Paul Offit; what are you going to do now?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VABRoid9ato&feature=youtu.be

    LOL. How is your mission of doing vaccine truth denial and damage control, working out?

  • You are lying and just spreading more misinformation; those claims are false and fabricated. You can see that the facility is top notch and that no such thing is nor ever was true. They had to shut this guy down, and just like Wakefield it is no different. False discreditation and false allegations of fraud. You can clearly see that the facility is top notch and immaculate. Bradstreet talking to the head person at the facility, (below)

    Autism: Dr Jeff Bradstreet in First Immune GcMAF’s (gcmaf.eu) laboratory

    Published on Sep 8, 2012
    GcMAF eradicates autism in 15% of children; 85% improve, 15% do not respond. 59 research papers by 142 scientists state GcMAF rebuilds the immune system. Research by Dr Bradstreet shows that 85% of autistic children have high nagalase levels and therefore a compromised immune system. Introducing GcMAF causes the immune system to fight viruses, infections and fungal attacks.

    With an improvement rate of 85%, this indicates that many of the problems experienced by autistic children are caused by a collapsed immune system, and a viral/bacterial/fungal overload. 1,500 autistic children have now been treated with Immuno Biotech Ltd’s GcMAF (gcmaf.eu), 15% of whom have made full recoveries from autism.

    With Dr Bradstreet we ourselves published a groundbreaking paper in “Frontiers in Neurology” on the 2nd January 2014 where we identify, for the first time, the point in the human brain where autism resides.

    In our opinion Autism tends to be caused by the MMR and other vaccines putting viruses and mercury into children. A shortage of lipids may contribute. Another Italian court has awarded €178,000 against the government to a family who’s child contracted autism from MMR.

    These viruses sabotage the immune system by sending out nagalase to prevent the production of the child’s GcMAF, and therefore become chronic.

    https://youtu.be/qd73scXcKQE

    Another Holistic Public Health Servant Dead, Bringing The Total To 9
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWBNfhbTkxU

    Explosive: The real reason Holistic Doctors are being killed and vanishing!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALgIHETMDU

    Nagalase, GcMAF, Autism, and Dr Jeff Bradstreet
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPFrYb4GmIc

    Nagalase. GcMAF, the CDC, FDA, Pediatrics, Paul Offit; what are you going to do now?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VABRoid9ato&feature=youtu.be

    The Real Reason Holistic Doctors are Being Killed and Vanishing!
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-reason-holistic-doctors-are-being-killed-and-vanishing.html

  • Your ref erence links provide evidence of absolutely nothing, in regard to your claim that the NCI is not connected and nor part of the cancer industry. It is all of the information, controlled; and what do you not get about that? Use your head!

  • Those studies and the data are on my site, and they are to numerous to even begin with and to do justice to here. As well when it can be shown clearly that live vaccines shed, and thus cause more harm than good; what else can you conclude than a result of more harm than good done than benefit. And then we can add the issue of thousands of vaccine injuries that exist. I am not here to educate you; you should have done that before you reply commented. Wake up.

    VacFacts
    http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • No it is not, replying with the truth, is not an ad hominem reply. Face it. I can prove that anything you have is a junk science study, and I have reviewed those studies many time before. And then I can and do replace it with the real unbiased and independent studies. I am already a bit tired of your uneducated, BS. You were as I said earlier, supposed to educate yourself before you replied here. But all you ever looked at and considered, was the pro-vaccine information.

  • You already have those studies in the Callous Disregard, link. You also cited me a dead link. There is no such thing a big pharma? LOL Who created that billion dollar drug empire then; Captain Crunch and the owner of General Mills, Fruit Loops? And they profit, not? all the pharmaceutical companies make what up what is BIG pharma; and you deny, and can not even comprehend as much as that? And you deny as well that the main line journals that they use are directly connected to big pharma and the standard and largely failed medical model? Wow. So you have evidence that the FDA screwed up in not removing Vioxx from the market; what else is new?

    The Drug Story-A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

  • What do you not comprehend regarding that they failed in that study to use the entire protocol? They did that deliberately, and it is as said a cancer industry connected study; and their whole entire intent was to discredit the said procedure. Nothing is allowed to compete with the cancer industry, ever. As a fact.

  • There is no such cancer industry, and there is no such thing as BIG pharma? LOL. We have already been through this. And what did I tell you?

  • You are making it all up, and you are actually the person with the obsessed with me, rage. To much vaccine truth put forth, and more than you are willing to face and accept. Actually that and your sickness has gone on for years, it appears to me.

  • I clearly know the cause and have repeatedly proven it. And you?

  • I do know, and common sense tells you the answer; but you refuse any and all common sense. It obviously sucks to be lying and in denial, you.

  • Again, obviously I do; and as I told you before, common sense and reasoning obviously evades your small and in denial mind.

  • Disproven? Really? The CDC itself admits to the major increase in the numbers of diagnosed autism; and by their own studies; and you deny even that as well.

    Silent Epidemic
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg

  • But as to the and those masses many of them are not any longer brainwashed, like you. Even though you know and have seen the evidence of the vaccine truth, you must continue to deny it. That is why you are here, to deny it all; right?

  • Prove it with evidence. I have already more than proven, that I do not.

  • Ok, whatever you say. I think the herd of sheeple, have now effectively refused to recognize you as their leader? You know, because of your sick stupidity, and in your repeatedly mindless reply posting on this article.

  • Donald Monty

    I’m not making anything up.

  • Donald Monty

    You can’t prove anything.

  • Donald Monty

    Ditto.

  • Donald Monty

    Then what’s the percentage?

  • Donald Monty

    Sigh. Yes, Lowell, everyone knows the ASD numbers have gone up due to broadened diagnostic criteria and increased screening. It’s not vaccines. Stop living in the past.

  • Donald Monty

    You and this site don’t know the truth about vaccines.

  • Donald Monty

    You’re a germ theory denialist. You freely admit it. You say Bechamp’s microzymes exist but you can’t even show us one. Just one little microzyme.

  • Donald Monty

    Nice personal attack.

  • As they say, if the shoe fits, wear it; and it definitely does.

  • Its all right here, and yet you deny it.

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

    The False Foundations of Modern Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

  • Quite obviously we do; and you are blatant liar.

  • And you continue to claim to that even though the CDC itself knows better and they obviously do not have any answers either. Even the CDC is smart enough to not even attempt to claim that it is all due to better diagnosis. Obviously you are so far into denial that you were never intelligent enough to admit to this serious issue, and it indeed is now an epidemic of vaccine caused autism.

  • Obviously you have deliberate reading comprehension problem. You sick and twisted man.

  • (sic)

  • Really the real studies, and physiological explanations put forth by professionals and actual doctors in the field, and the data and the science, disagree with you.

  • Donald Monty

    May get you banned, though, and then what in the world would you have?

  • Donald Monty

    It’s not there no matter how many times you post the same crap.

  • Donald Monty

    Nope I’m the shining light of truth.

  • Donald Monty

    Show where the CDC claims the rise in ASD diagnoses is due to something other than broadened diagnostic criteria and increased screening.

  • Donald Monty

    You haven’t given a percentage and that’s another personal attack.

  • Donald Monty

    Do you know what “sic” means?

  • Donald Monty

    No they agree with me.

  • Your mind is obviously so beyond twisted that I see no reason to even continue replying to you. You just need to be banned, once and for all.

  • Donald Monty

    Another personal attack, and no one is forcing you to read my posts.

  • Al Mather

    My mission of “doing” vaccine truth denial?? Well Lowell I tell you what . Just to make a point ..let’s stick with this Nagalase ,murdered Doctors conspiracy theory …ride it out…follow it closely and see where it goes…. and when it ends up being just so much made up sensational BS and more pseudo scientific fantasy we can have a discussion about what it is we believe and how to discern reality from delusion.If it ends up being a reality, and Bradstreet or any of these doctors were actually murdered for some purpose by some govt or pharma boogeyman…I will leave these discussions forever.

    Till then here are some more breaking stories for you to get behind …

    Living in the woods totally unvaccinated for decades!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbgIJiSoDSE

    Pharma overlords caught on camera!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7bp3dxhUtw

    Cat gets rabies vaccine and turns EVIL!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le5rbjQqxfM

  • I see, and you tube videos are off limits as informational sources, and but only if they serve in your mind to bolster your false claims, and your agenda.

    What do those videos have to do with Bradstreet and these issues at all? Nothing. You are repetitively lying, deceptive, twisted, and as well a pathetic excuse for human life, period. How much more obvious could that be.

  • I doubt at this point that anyone is. You poor and abused, baby.

  • You obviously and conveniently forgot about the ones that did not. You live in a mindset and a land of nothing but twisted lies and delusions.

  • Sic

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    For other uses, see SIC (disambiguation).

    The Latin adverb sic (“thus”; in full: sic erat scriptum, “thus was it written”)[1] inserted after a quoted word or passage, indicates that the quoted matter has been transcribed exactly as found in the source text, complete with any erroneous or archaic spelling, surprising assertion, faulty reasoning, or other matter that might otherwise be taken as an error of transcription.

    The notation’s usual purpose is to inform the reader that any errors or apparent errors in quoted material do not arise from errors in the course of the transcription, but are intentionally reproduced, exactly as they appear in the source text. It is generally placed inside brackets to signal that it is not part of the quoted matter.

    Sic may also be used derisively, to call attention to the original writer’s spelling mistakes or erroneous logic.[2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sic

  • You need to be banned from this site, and for your mindless continuance of that level nonsense, and repeated and pointless badgering. That question was already addressed and answered, repeatedly.

  • Go to the CDC site and actually look; you continually in denial and badgering fool. I already put those links up, before.

  • You walk in nothing but darkness, and as a fact.

  • And how many times will you again deny it?

    Pleomorphism
    http://www.sun-nation.org/merkl-pleomorphism.html

    Pleomorphism
    http://www.normanallan.com/Sci/pleomorphism.htm

    What is Pleomorphism?
    http://www.life-sources.com/pages/What-is-Pleomorphism%3F.html

    Louis Pasteur Vs Antoine Béchamp and The Germ Theory of Disease Causation – 1
    http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/05/louis_pasteur_vs_antoine_bchamp_and_the_germ_theory_of_disease_causation_1.html

    Antoine Bechamp
    French biologist
    1816 – 1908
    THE DREAM AND LIE OF LOUIS PASTEUR
    http://arizonaenergy.org/BodyEnergy/antoine_bechamp.htm

    Microzyme:
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Microzyme

    http://mx1.kmle.com/search.php?Search=microzyme

    Zymotic disease
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zymotic_disease

    Wilhelm Reich, Royal Raymond Rife, Gaston Naessens and the Somatid, Fourth steps on the trail: Bechamp and the microzymas (all are names and subject matters to know)

    Soil theory-150 Years of Hidden Knowledge
    http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/soil.htm#Hidden

    The Third Element of the Blood
    by Antoine Bechamp
    http://www.newtreatments.org/fromweb/bechamp.pdf

    The Blood and its Third Anatomical Element, (by chapter)
    by Antoine Bechamp 1912
    http://www.whale.to/v/bechamp_b.html

    CHAPTER 8 – THE MICROZYMAS

    The Blood and its Third Element
    by Antoine Bechamp (Author)

    This book is the last work by Professor Antoine Béchamp, a man who should, by rights, be regarded today as one of the founders of modern medicine and biology. During his long career as an academic and researcher in nineteenth century France, Béchamp was widely known and respected as both a teacher and a researcher. As a leading academic, his work was well documented in scientific circles. Few made as much use of this fact as Louis Pasteur, who based much of his career on plagiarising and distorting Béchamp’s research; in doing so, Pasteur secured for himself an undeserved place in the history of medical science. The Blood and its Third Element is Béchamp’s explanation of his position, and his defense of it against Pasteur’s mischief. This final major work of Béchamp’s embodies the culmination of his life’s research. This book contains, in detail, the elements of the microzymian theory of the organization of living organisms and organic materials. It has immediate and far reaching relevance to the fields of immunology, bacteriology, and cellular biology; and it shows that more than 100 years ago, the germ, or microbian, theory of disease was demonstrated by Béchamp to be without foundation. There is no single cause of disease. The ancients thought this, and Béchamp proved it and was written out of history for his trouble. The relevance of his work to the dilemmas that plague modern medical science remains as yet unrealized. This is a new edition of this title. The text has been extensively re-edited for today’s reader.

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Blood-its-Third-Element/dp/0957985878

    Why we don’t cure
    By Dr Patrick Quanten MD

    Excerpt:

    In the second half of the nineteenth century a French scientist, Antoine Béchamps, had given a rational, scientific explanation of the origin, growth and life activities of germs and of the normal living cells of vegetable, animal and human bodies. He became a Professor and taught at the University of Montpellier and the famous Sorbonne in Paris, where he was able to demonstrate, as early as 1864, that cells and germs are not the smallest individual living organisms, as taught by Pasteur and his followers. He called these organisms “microzymes”. All cells and germs – bacteria, viruses, parasites, moulds as well as cells from complex structures – are associations of these microzymes. The physical characteristics and vital activities of cells and germs depend upon the soil in which their microzymes feed, grow and multiply. The higher the quality of the “soil” the higher developed the cell will be. Microzymes that grow in fertile procreative soil will form highly complex cells. The same microzymes feeding on morbid material, living and multiplying in poisonous conditions will develop into organisms of the lower order – bacteria, viruses, parasites.

    Read more:
    http://freespace.virgin.net/ahcare.qua/literature/science/dontcure.html

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

  • Good luck with that. Actually I would have a lot more time to spend putting forth information to those who actually care about what the vaccine truth is. You have intentionally wasted just endless amounts of my time here; and deliberately.

  • Al Mather

    What’s obvious Lowell is that you are buying into YET ANOTHER conspiracy theory boogeyman story..with NO evidence..NO verified facts…Just some hokey youtube links. The guy was getting busted …He offed himself rather than spend the 20 years he was facing. You are a delusional crackpot… end of story.

  • Donald Monty

    There’s another one.

  • Donald Monty

    Where’d they all go then?

  • Donald Monty

    So why do you keep writing it? I don’t make spelling or sentence structure mistakes!

  • Donald Monty

    Well what was the percentage then? If you’ve already provided it it should be easy!

  • Donald Monty

    I did. It’s not there. Link it please.

  • Donald Monty

    No that’s another warped opinion.

  • Donald Monty

    Nope. Not there.

  • Donald Monty

    Well then you should do that.

  • Oh don’t worry… that still gets done. As you can see. More evidence of the truth than you could ever handle.

    Another Holistic Public Health Servant Dead, Bringing The Total To 9, (actually its now, 10)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWBNfhbTkxU

    8 Dead, 5 Missing! You Wont Believe What They Knew, Who They Encountered & Why They’re Targeted
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gof99Kpcyzk

    The Real Reason Holistic Doctors are Being Killed and Vanishing!
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-reason-holistic-doctors-are-being-killed-and-vanishing.html

    8 Doctors Now Dead (Holistic & Alternative) Authorities Point To Murder & Suicide, But Why?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YftgFd0K19g

    The Real Reason Holistic Doctors are Being Killed and Vanishing!
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-reason-holistic-doctors-are-being-killed-and-vanishing.html

  • You always were a repeated liar, also alias Costner! Post the information, and you repeatedly deny anything was ever there. Same thing as in 2010.

  • And like someone like you would have even any basic and realistic comprehension of the term, warped.

  • Your lying. http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

    http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0327-autism-spectrum-disorder.html

    Prevalence of autism in U.S. children increased by 119.4 percent from 2000 (1 in 150) to 2010 (1 in 68). (CDC, 2014) Autism is the fastest-growing developmental disability. (CDC, 2008)
    http://www.autism-society.org/what-is/facts-and-statistics/

  • Like I said, they do not publish that exact and specific info, assh$le! But you know very well that a Pediatricians main office visit roster is for vaccines.

  • I write anything I want, and any way I want to. Got a twisted problem with that, then become an English teacher. At least you won’t be harming any more children, with vaccines.

  • Here is a question. How sick, twisted, possessed, and endlessly obsessed are you with me, and this issue being put forth? What a sick man.

  • And what are you going to do about it? You poor thing.

  • One thing that is obvious is that they did find elevated levels of nagalase in those children, and they did treat with GcMAF, and it clearly worked for many of those children. If Nalalase was found in any of the vaccines, and if it ever would be; that is reason enough for what happened, and very likely that is what happened. You can not say that the death of 10 holistic doctors in not much more than 30 days time, is all a coincidence. But then you are a sheeple and would disregard anything at all. Just because it fits with your in denial agenda. Sick stuff, man. Your nearly as bad as alias Donald.

  • Al Mather

    There were no “10 holistic doctors” Lowell.. that is just some BS tabloid headline ..read the Snopes fact check and it breaks down who these people were. How they died. A few had illness,a few died of cardiac events, and a few were murdered by their spouses or partners.Some were in no way holistic doctors..one a retired opthamologist …and another a retired ob/gyn.

    To put it in another obvious perspective the article provides:

    As of March 2015, there was an estimated range of 897,000 to just over 1,000,000 doctors in the United States, and per every 100,000 people (of all vocations) each year, approximately 821 die. Going by those numbers alone, between 6,500 and 8,200 medical doctors will statistically die of myriad causes in any given year. Each month approximately 700 doctors would die (based upon the number of American doctors and the number of overall deaths), thirteen of whom could be expected to live in Florida before accounting for rate fluctuations based on whether a state (like Florida) is exceptionally populous. As such, six to eight deaths is well within the realm of expected doctor deaths.
    Read more at http://m.snopes.com/2015/07/21/five-holistic-doctors-dead/#7DfR2gSp6e2fHi1l.99

  • Donald Monty

    I already destroyed that conspiracy theory with the Snopes link, which you never refuted BTW.

  • Donald Monty

    You always say you’ve already posted an answer when you haven’t. But what else can you do? Admit you’re wrong?

  • Donald Monty

    I think of you and your ilk.

  • Donald Monty

    Lowell, show where the CDC claims the rise in ASD prevalence is due to something other than broadened diagnostic criteria and increased screening. I don’t need more links saying the prevalence went up.

  • Donald Monty

    So again, it’s just a strong personal belief of yours. And another personal attack? It’s OK on this site to call someone assh$le?

  • Donald Monty

    OK so you just write random things, thanks.

  • Donald Monty

    Oh another personal attack.

  • Donald Monty

    I’ll just keep pointing them out.

  • Do you think you can and/or could keep wasting my time with any more of your endlessly mindless and frivolous comments?

  • And yet, and again you can not respond to it. You need to face what you really are; and but of course you never will.

  • That is again and clearly not what I said, you twisted man.

  • Its not simply a personal belief, and as we all know what goes on in a Pediatricain’s office, and based on what we know all the parents go there for. You idiot, how many vaccines are on the current CDC vaccine schedule, and how many hours of Pediatrican’s office time does that take to complete all that. From infants to teenagers, how much time does that take. And you deny it all, and just to argue just to argue. Are you that beyond dumb, and are you that far and that that deep into denial? It isn’t that other health issues alone end up on the office visit list but largely those are as well caused by the load of toxic and contaminated vaccines infants and children are getting.

  • Donald Monty

    You don’t have to read my comments.

  • Donald Monty

    I am the light of truth.

  • Donald Monty

    Of course it is.

  • Donald Monty

    But you have no idea, really. Ever worked in pediatrics?

  • AutismDad

    Sorry I don’t read crapolla

  • AutismDad

    Correlation seems fine with vac proponents when they write “conclusions” for their weak trash science and never done safety studies.

  • AutismDad

    Anyone hoof you yet?

  • AutismDad

    Cough cough wrong smokey

  • AutismDad

    Having trouble following along?

  • Al Mather

    It’s idiotic to point to an industry…. a sector… and accuse them of having a “monopoly” .. having trouble grasping precise definition?

  • Don’t need to. How many vaccines and vaccine doses are given? That going from birth, to 18 years of age. And that alone doesn’t tell you anything about that said percentage?

  • Keep rolling.

  • You walk in nothing but the devils work, deception, and darkness, and you know it.

  • And you do not have to post any of your childish drivel, on this site. So save us from all the and your endless denial and BS, and just quit doing it.

  • Donald Monty

    You’ve been mighty quiet on Vactruth lately.

  • Donald Monty

    Nope. What is it?

  • Donald Monty

    I will, thanks.

  • Donald Monty

    I carry the sword of light and truth in the darkened valley that is Vactruth. Does the light burn your eyes?

  • Donald Monty

    I destroy all of them with science. It’s easy.

  • Richard Powell

    It’s just as criminal to spread misinformation about vaccines and thus create holes in the herd immunity of our society as it is to spray paint over a sign.

    Sorry his daughter was not one of the 1 in 200 million people that don’t have a adverse reaction to a life, no make that a society, saving vaccine.

    Like the sign says, we don’t have polio because we have vaccines.

  • Richard Powell

    I didn’t know I had to be brainwashed in order to understand that a Polio vaccine prevents me from getting Polio. Which by the way, was invented by a person who didn’t make one dollar from inventing it. He invented the Polio vaccine in order to prevent people from getting and suffering from Polio. He didn’t invent the vaccine in order to make any money. Yes Big Pharm makes tons of money in our pathetically inefficient healthcare industry, but that’s a seperate issue. It has nothing to do with the effectiveness or truth of vaccines.

    Only a simple mind would believe that just because vaccines make tons of money for corporations today, it emphatically says that they must be ineffective or false.

  • Dark Kuno

    Correct Buckey. And you might want to get that cough looked at, assuming you still believe in going to the doctor.

  • Dark Kuno

    Actually I have a very firm grasp of how vaccines work from having 6 doctors in the family and actually paying attention in grade school decades ago when we covered the vaccine section of biology.

  • AutismDad

    Shower and brush your bean-like teeth.

  • AutismDad

    Wish we could say the same about you.

  • LOL. The part that you refuse to grasp and understand is that doctors and Pediatricians understand and are trained in nothing but how to inject and prescribe. They receive zero training in the physiological effect of what vaccines actually do, and nor as to what is actually in them. They do not have a clue, so face it. And nor do you. Anyone can comprehend how vaccines work, and how unnatural it is compared to natural immunity; bypassing all surface natural immunity defenses. You covered the section on biology…LOL!

  • Dark Kuno

    100 years of medical science disagrees with you. But if you want to attack others due to your own lack of understanding and refusal to educate yourself beyond pseudo-science and false reports that have no substantive evidence backing them up, more power to you. I’m done arguing with you willful ignoramuses.

  • Dark Kuno

    what a well thought out, intteligent and substantive response to the discussion.

    That was sarcasm by the way, in case you don’t understand how that particular litterary/language device is used ether.

  • Al Mather

    Understanding what is in Vaccines is not exactly rocket science Lowell. You have NO clue what medical education encompasses. Or a minimal education for that matter.Grasping what vaccines contain in reality and in relative dosage is something YOU could bone up on though.

  • AutismDad

    At least I can spell intelligent.

  • Al Mather
  • Donald Monty

    I’m thinking of buying it.

  • Is your name, alias Donald Monty? Perhaps you multiple identities; and as many as you have multiple personalities?

  • Is your character name, Dark Kuno? Was someone responding to you? Obviously not. So now you are going to the claim that vaccine toxic doses are to small to matter? So go ahead and give me all the physiological vaccine safety studies that you have? Lets have some short and long term, and in regard to the actual CDC vaccine schedule? Lets have some studies as well in regard to the practice of giving small children 34 injected doses of vaccine before the age of two? Lets have some studies from you that you can list as well some vaccine studies, in regard to the practice of giving a small child from 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit? Oh that right; you didn’t realize that they do not exist. The IOM report, and Pediatrics publications, go to Paul Offit; those studies simply do not exist, and they likely never will.

    The Dose Makes the Poison–Or Does It?
    http://www.actionbioscience.org/environment/trautmann.html

    Does “the dose make the poison?”
    http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/NewScience/lowdose/lowdoseeffects.htm

    The Dose Makes The Poison Argument
    http://autismrawdata.net/1/post/2014/01/the-dose-makes-the-poison-argument.html

  • Actually the current and independent study science and data actually agrees with me. You are intentionally biased, and you choose to remain, clueless. Why is that? Do have any conflicts of interest and beyond that you claim to have family in that big pharma business of greed and control of information? Your name and your picture belong in the refuse to get it, and the mislead, SHEEPLE’S Hall of Shame!!! Are you to cowardly and chicken to use your real name? Why is that? I know that you refuse the truth, and as well that you refuse to face reality; but you really should have, and before you wasted my time responding to you here.

    VacFacts
    http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • Billions of dollars in profits are just one of the minor issues compared to the issue of vaccine injury and historical ineffectiveness. Obviously you are not even at a beginning understanding level of what really has gone on and continues to go on in regard to vaccines. I am obviously not here to educate the mislead level, of the likes of people like you. And do you have even as much as a beginning comprehension of what the real historical data shows us took place? Of course not. And nor do you care. And of course it is all about re-parotting the false propaganda and misinformation, that you were fed.

    Failure Of The Past, and the Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

  • Again, you are lying/ And do you mean in and as to making denial of the existence of any study that is not pro-vaccine. All while you only hold to the junk science, and all clearly with no adequate existing science, and safety studies. If you want real studies, then you should go here. http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • Its pretty hard for your so called shining light to burn anything at all, alias Donald; and when you know that you walk in darkness and your own repeat denial.

  • Quite obviously it has to be at least 70% of the office visits. Even when a parent and child comes in for something else, the first thing they do is try to push more vaccines. And you are really that stupid? You argue, just to argue.

  • What do you call people that deny thousands of vaccine injuries and with resulting autism, than ilk? What do you call people that think medical careers and profits are more important than the health and lives of infants and children. You and your in denial, sick ilk.

  • What is criminal is the denial of thousands of vaccine injuries and with resulting autism as well. What is criminal is the removal of all vaccine exemptions and with the denial of all vaccine risk.

    You have no existing vaccine derived herd immunity present, in our society. I have not been re-vaccinated for anything in over 4 decades; and there exist thousands and if not millions of adults who have never been re-vaccinated since their school days. Where is you vaccine derived herd immunity? To claim to that they only need to vaccinate school children, to achieve vaccine derived herd immunity, is about as ignorant and mislead as it ever gets.

  • Donald Monty

    If I want to read paranoid anti-vax opinion pieces written by quacks and fringe groups with no medical backgrounds I’d go there.

  • Donald Monty

    I will carry on spreading the vaccine truth.

  • Donald Monty

    Personal attack. Again, it’s just your personal belief with nothing to back it up.

  • Donald Monty

    There’s no link between vaccines and autism.

  • Donald Monty

    But vaccines don’t cause autism.

  • Donald Monty

    It doesn’t matter what you told him.

  • CharlieB1972

    I’ve learned some really interesting things from anti-vaxxers:

    1. In the Good Old Days before vaccines, we all got the diseases and they were at most a minor annoyance and at best a fun little vacation from school. However, these days, the unvaccinated don’t spread the diseases.

    2. The diseases are harmless except when someone’s vaccine doesn’t work. Then they’re bad.

    3. The diseases are harmless except when spread by “shedding”. Then they’re bad.

    4. Sanitation caused the eradication of smallpox and the decline in many other diseases. This means that there are numerous different types of sanitation, because smallpox was wiped out in 1977, polio wasn’t on the brink of eradication until recently, measles still kills nearly 150,000 a year in spite of being in serious worldwide decline, and the flu viruses are doing quite well.

    5. Polio isn’t on the brink of being wiped out. It’s just been renamed Guilian-Barre syndrome.

    6. ADHD, Alzheimer’s, arthritis, autism, cancer, diabetes, and epilepsy are just a few of the things caused by vaccines.

    7. Autism is caused by the mercury in vaccines, no wait, the aluminum, no wait, the DNA from aborted fetuses!

    8. God made our immune systems perfect.

    9. Not allowing kids to attend public schools without vaccinations is just like what Hitler did to the Jews.

    10. When people die of vaccine-preventable diseases in Western countries, it’s the survival of the fittest.

  • Ron Roy

    And we have to consider the thousands who believed their doctors who told them the vaccine had nothing to do with their child’s injuries.

  • AutismDad

    On your allowance? Snicker

  • CharlieB1972

    “That is RIGHT will rely on hand washing, nutrition and holistic medicine; and far before the use of toxic and contaminated vaccines!!! ”

    For rabies? It’s well over 99% fatal without the vaccine. Not getting vaccinated after a bite by a rabid animal is like playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic pistol and hoping the gun jams.

  • Al Mather

    I take it you have no kids. Thank God.

  • Al Mather

    And nor.

  • Donald Monty

    I’ll get the Mexicans to pay for it.

  • Actually the families with children of vaccination age, know quite well what goes on at a Pediatricians office, and it is literal vaccination madness there, all day long.

  • So you have determined that a human that on a and the rare occasion that they may need a series of rabies shots, after being bitten; is on the same level as that with pertussis and measles, etc? Rabies is deadly if you acquire it; and the risk of those said illnesses, are not.

  • Getting a little feisty there, Monty? I am quite aware that being told the truth and the facts, does not matter to you.

  • The science and the real data on multiple levels shows you to be wrong. The anecdotal data and person accounts of obvious vaccine injury and resulting autism, and that given by hundreds of parents, as well shows you to be wrong.

  • There are multiple known links, and you can deny that all you want.

  • And again you can not handle, and nor face the obvious truth and reality.

  • You are spreading nothing but denial, re-parroted misinformation and false vaccine propaganda.

  • So there you admit it, and that you are not here to debate anything at all, in any honesty. As I said, in your brainwashed and warped mind, anything that is not pro-vaccine, and regardless of what medical professional it came from; it all must be considered as, Quackery. You are the real quack, Monty. How clearly obvious does that need to be?

  • Your high level of obvious hypocrisy is beyond disgusting.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

  • What a load of stupidity, misrepresentation, and intentional minimizing of the significance of the real vaccine issues.

    The vaccinated are clearly a RISK to the un-vaccinated, and that is because the vaccines can and do shed. Not the other way around.

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease

    Washington, D.C., March 3, 2015 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — Physicians and public health officials know that recently vaccinated individuals can spread disease and that contact with the immunocompromised can be especially dangerous. For example, the Johns Hopkins Patient Guide warns the immunocompromised to “Avoid contact with children who are recently vaccinated,” and to “Tell friends and family who are sick, or have recently had a live vaccine (such as chicken pox, measles, rubella, intranasal influenza, polio or smallpox) not to visit.”1

    A statement on the website of St. Jude’s Hospital warns parents not to allow people to visit children undergoing cancer treatment if they have received oral polio or smallpox vaccines within four weeks, have received the nasal flu vaccine within one week, or have rashes after receiving the chickenpox vaccine or MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine.2

    “The public health community is blaming unvaccinated children for the outbreak of measles at Disneyland, but the illnesses could just as easily have occurred due to contact with a recently vaccinated individual,” says Sally Fallon Morell, president of the Weston A. Price Foundation. The Foundation promotes a healthy diet, non-toxic lifestyle and freedom of medical choice for parents and their children. “Evidence indicates that recently vaccinated individuals should be quarantined in order to protect the public.”

    Scientific evidence demonstrates that individuals vaccinated with live virus vaccines such as MMR (measles, mumps and rubella), rotavirus, chicken pox, shingles and influenza can shed the virus for many weeks or months afterwards and infect the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.11.12

    Furthermore, vaccine recipients can carry diseases in the back of their throat and infect others while displaying no symptoms of a disease.13,14,15

    Both unvaccinated and vaccinated individuals are at risk from exposure to those recently vaccinated. Vaccine failure is widespread; vaccine-induced immunity is not permanent and recent outbreaks of diseases such as whooping cough, mumps and measles have occurred in fully vaccinated populations.16,17 Flu vaccine recipients become more susceptible to future infection after repeated vaccination.18,19

    Adults have contracted polio from recently vaccinated infants. A father from Staten Island ended up in a wheel chair after contracting polio while changing his daughter’s diaper. He received a 22.5 million dollar award in 2009. 20,21

    “Vaccine failure and failure to acknowledge that live virus vaccines can spread disease have resulted in an increase in outbreaks of infectious disease in both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals,” says Leslie Manookian, producer of The Greater Good. “CDC should instruct physicians who administer vaccinations to inform their patients about the risks posed to others by those who’ve been recently vaccinated.”

    According to the Weston A. Price Foundation, the best protection against infectious disease is a healthy immune system, supported by adequate vitamin A and vitamin C. Well-nourished children easily recover from infectious disease and rarely suffer complications.

    Read more:
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    PRESS RELEASES
    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/102473744

    The truth about the measles, natural immunity, and the vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-truth-about-the-measles-natural-immunity-and-the-vaccine.html

  • The above information more than proves you and so called Snopes, to be wrong.

    The in vitro GcMAF effects on endocannabinoid
    system transcriptionomics, receptor formation,
    and cell activity of autism-derived macrophages

    Dario Siniscalco1,2,3*, James Jeffrey Bradstreet4,5, Alessandra Cirillo6 and Nicola Antonucci7

    Results: GcMAF treatment was able to normalize the observed differences in dysregulated gene expression of the endocannabinoid system of the autism group. GcMAF also down-regulated the over-activation of BMDMs from
    autistic children.

    Conclusions: This study presents the first observations of GcMAF effects on the transcriptionomics of the endocannabinoid system and expression of CB2R protein. These data point to a potential nexus between endocannabinoids, vitamin D and its transporter proteins, and the immune dysregulations observed with autism.

    http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1742-2094-11-78.pdf

    Vitamin D Binding Protein-Macrophage Activating Factor Directly Inhibits Proliferation, Migration, and uPAR Expression of Prostate Cancer Cells

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0013428

    Overview of Macrophage Activating Factor and the Nagalase Assay –

    Potential for Control of Micrometastatic or Early Primary Cancer

    GcMAF may also havethe potential to slow the spread of more advanced cancers, and it has strong anti-angiogenic activity if injected daily. Conceivably, the routine monitoring of serum nagalase could aid early detection of cancer.

    Although these prospects are exciting, much further research is needed to verify the utility of nagalase as a cancer marker and to confirm the efficacy of GcMAF as adjuvant therapy, in a range of cancers. The use of GcMAF in conjunction with agents that promote a pro-inflammatory M1 phenotype in tumorassociated macrophages merits evaluation as an immunotherapeutic strategy. Although GcMAF is not currently available as an investigational drug, patients can order and self-administer it, and their doctors

    can monitor their progress.

    Macrophage Activating Factor Boosts the Cytotoxic Capacity of Macrophages

    Yamamoto and colleagues have presented evidence that, within inflamed tissues, vitamin D-binding globulin (a.k.a. Gc protein, a member of the albumin family secreted by the liver) becomes structurally altered, giving rise to a “macrophage activating factor” – GcMAF – that rapidly and potently boosts the

    superoxide-generating and phagocytic capacity of macrophages.1, 2

    http://catalyticlongevity.org/prepub_archive/GcMAF-nagalase.pdf

    Journal of Immunotherapy:

    Therapeutic Efficacy of Gc Protein-Derived Macrophage Activating Factor (GcMAF) for Adenocarcinoma

    Yamamoto, Nobuto1; Urade, Masahiro2; Ueda, Masumi1

    http://journals.lww.com/immunotherapy-journal/Citation/2004/11000/Therapeutic_Efficacy_of_Gc_Protein_Derived.204.aspx

    More studies:

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=nagalase+blocks+GCMAF+macrophage+stimulating+factor&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0CBsQgQMwAGoVChMI1-y1htvFxwIVyRgeCh3W8wCK

    As of February 2013, on the American National Library of Medicine alone, 142 eminent scientists from 8 nations have published 59 major GcMAF research papers. These can be viewed on the US Government’s, Pubmed system.

    https://gcmaf.se/gcmaf-science/142-gcmaf-scientists/

    Here is the list on the US Library of Medicine, (PubMed) searching on:

    GcMAF OR “vitamin D binding protein” AND “macrophage activating factor”
    http://www.gcmaf.asia/gcmaf-products/142-gcmaf-scientists/

    If they were finding a nagalese issue with vaccines and in relation to autism and cancer, that indeed and as well, was big.

    GcMAF and Nagalase Information Sheet
    http://www.drhirani.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Information-Sheet-GcMAF.pdf

    Published Medical Journals

    The following papers have been published, which have been summarised in plainer English to make it easier to find information: All the 19 studies below show a positive effect of GcMAF in the treatment of cancers. GcMAF works in several ways, as proven by the evidence. Further down, you will find details of GcMAF in other applications

    http://www.gcmafresearch.com/published-medical-journals.html

    HOW GcMAF WORKS.
    Your body’s own internal medicine
    http://www.bravo-probiotics.com/uploads/1/1/0/7/11070044/_gcmaf_pdf_11__scientific_research.pdf

    Cancer cells destroyed by First Immune GcMAF (gcmaf.eu)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1WZrnCcH24

  • Al Mather

    Not our experience. Loved our Pediatrician… a neighbor and customer of my wife’s who worked with all kinds of family support charity groups in our area. Retired when my youngest was 11-12 a couple years ago. 35 years in practice and never a vaccine injury worse than a sore arm.

  • Donald Monty

    You don’t know the truth-you’re a germ theory denialist.

  • Donald Monty

    Of all the things that could cause autism, the one thing we know doesn’t is vaccination.

  • Donald Monty

    There is nada.

  • Donald Monty

    You don’t know the truth, Lowell-you’re a germ theory denialist.

  • Donald Monty

    You can’t handle the truth.

  • Donald Monty

    I’m here to debate science, not the nonsense you archive on your laughable website.

  • Donald Monty

    Still dodging the Snopes thing. Refute it.

  • CharlieB1972

    Since anti-vaxxers view the diseases as harmless at worst and beneficial at best, they should WELCOME vaccine shedding. However, they would be wasting their time either worrying about or hoping for infection by shedding, because it is non-existent unless the vaccines are live virus. Even for live viruses, it is very rare for chickenpox and has never been documented for measles.

    The unvaccinated are much more likely to catch and to spread diseases than the vaccinated, and they put several groups at risk:

    1. The small percentage of the vaccinated whose vaccine doesn’t work. For example, a single dose of MMR is 95% effective against measles and two doses is 99% effective.
    2. Babies who are too young to be vaccinated.
    3. People with compromised immune systems.

    The list from my original post comes from reading what anti-vaxxers actually say.

  • CharlieB1972

    Measles kills, but much fewer than previously thanks to vaccines. In 1980, annual worldwide measles deaths were 2.6 million. In 2013, they were under 150,000. Even in developed countries, it leads to hospitalization in 20% of infections and can cause permanent problems, such as blindness, deafness, and brain damage.

    Pertussis kills. Mostly babies. When non-fatal, it can lead to three months of great suffering, and sometimes to permanent respiratory problems.

  • AutismDad

    I hear you borrow from them when your allowance runs out.

  • Capt Ron

    Dr. Weston A. Price was a dentist who died in 1948. Got anybody alive?

  • There are many people alive to quote; but remember that you have repeatedly refused all that. So as to the real vaccine historical record and as witnessed by those who lived at the time; you simply are of the mindset and the belief that you can ignore all that, and simply because those people are now dead? You mean just as well like Moulden, Bradstreet, and others? What a mind full of denial.

  • Both the pertussis and measles vaccines clearly shed the pathogen. Those vaccinated for pertussis can shed the pathogen when exposed and immune challenged; even though remaining asymptomatic; so how then are the unvaccinated and thus infants to young to be vaccinated, ever protected by the vaccine? Both measles and pertussis are not necessarily deadly diseases. Ever heard as well of vitamin A, and vitamin C? But nice job again with the get vaccinated, FALSE FEAR mongering.

    The already long existing and the real study science has already long since, shown us what the REAL truth is.

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.
    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract
    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

    Measles Vaccines Part I; Ineffectiveness of Vaccination and Unintended Consequences. ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD) – See more at:http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/18/the-ineffectiveness-of-measles-vaccines-and-other-unintended-consequences-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

    Measles Vaccines Part II; Benefits of Contracting Measles ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD)
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/29/measles-vaccines-part-ii-benefits-of-contracting-measles-b