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Infant Dies Following 5 Vaccine Doses

Life after losing a loved one to vaccines is very painful. With a heavy heart, we share Sebastian Ryan Morley’s story. He was a healthy boy whose life ended after routine vaccinations. Sebastian’s mother and grandmother have worked many years in both the veterinary and human healthcare fields. What they were taught in school led them to believe vaccines were safe, but now they will never vaccinate again. We thank his family for coming forward and sharing very important information the public isn’t usually made aware of.

Sebastian’s grandmother, Valerie Murfin, shared:

“On December 11, 2002, when my grandson Sebastian was seven months old, he was taken in for his six month well child checkup. My daughter Natasha, who is his mother, was not bullied into getting him vaccinated, she was just following what she thought was good advice, what we both thought was good advice at one time.

During this visit, Sebastian received the vaccines for DTaP, hepatitis B, and HiB. This is five vaccine doses.

Sebastian began vomiting two days later and suffered jaundice. After turning yellow around his mouth on 12-15-02, his mom took him to the doctor because he became very lethargic. She was begging for him not to die on the drive to the doctor’s office. They admitted him to St. Peter Hospital, in Olympia, where he stayed for two days.

Tests were run and it was found that Sebastian’s liver was failing. After an ultrasound showed his liver stopped swelling, they allowed him to be discharged, but warned my daughter not to let him bump his head or anything, because he could bleed out.

Before being discharged, his doctor did more blood work and told my daughter that she would call her, and that they assumed Sebastian had hepatitis C somehow. This was six days after the vaccines were given to him, on 12-17-02.”

Sebastian’s Brain Swelled and His Organs Shut Down

“That phone call came in on 12-20-15 and the news made my daughter aware it was urgent. Sebastian was rushed to the ER at Seattle Children’s Hospital. This is where he stayed and suffered, for more than a month.

Towards the end of his stay, his eyes were no longer responsive and one swelled up horribly; his choke reflex was gone. I think his little brain had had enough of all the additional chemicals he received while in the hospital. Sebastian’s brain had swelled outside of his soft spot, they had no more hope for him, and they wanted to turn off the machines.

My daughter came out of that room, looked at me and said, ‘Don’t let them kill my baby, Mom.’ I had to tell her he was already gone. I watched the light die in my daughter’s eyes.

They did unplug him. He died in his mom and dad’s arms. He died on January 22, 2003, at just 8 ½ months old. Forty-two days after that well child visit, multiple organs of his shut down and his little body couldn’t fight anymore.

My most helpless moment in my life was when I had seen the ultrasound of Sebastian’s brain. By this time, all of his organs were shutting down. They had him in a medically-induced coma for about the last five days. The first three days, they would let him wake up. The last two days, he stopped waking up, even when coming out of the anesthesia.

Ultimately, if he hadn’t had the vaccines, none of this would have happened.

My daughter did question the vaccines with the doctor that gave them and her initial response was that they just never see that. Although Sebastian’s doctor later on was more supportive of the fact that vaccines could not be ruled out.

His cause of death listed on his death certificate is ‘Fulminant Liver Failure of Unknown Etiology,’ though the pathologist stated clearly when he wrote, ‘Because this child was vaccinated less than 24 hours prior to onset of illness, we can NOT rule out the vaccines as causative.’

This is as close anyone gets to admission that the vaccines were responsible.”

Vaccines Were The Only Plausible Cause Of Sebastian’s Liver Failure

“In the days he was in the in the pediatric ICU at the hospital, they did every test they could at the time. There was no physiological or environmental reason for his liver failing. I kept saying in the hospital, he was just vaccinated, to look into the vaccines, but hospital staff did not make the connection.

After Sebastian got sick and was taken to the hospital, that was when my daughter also made the vaccine connection; I made sure she was aware. Even the hospital doctors kept saying vaccine reactions never happen. If I weren’t so vocal about it, they wouldn’t have put the vaccines into the equation.

His pediatrician, who actually worked with him, has been very helpful. She felt it was important enough to report Sebastian’s reactions to the Vaccine Adverse Reaction Reporting System (VAERS).

We appreciated her acknowledging what happened to my grandson but Sebastian’s passing has not stopped her from vaccinating other children.

On Sebastian’s VAERS report, some things were reported inaccurately. His age wasn’t listed correctly; he was seven months old when he received the six month vaccines. We tried fixing the discrepancies in the report, but we were not able to get anyone who would correct them.

Considering most parents and doctors have never reported a reaction to VAERS, due to not being informed and doctors not being enforced to report reactions, mistakes can occur due to being unfamiliar with the process and sometimes, the mistakes occur on the VAERS end, because reps don’t list the information provided correctly.

It is hard to read this. Knowing how Sebastian suffered from the vaccines is why my family will not vaccinate further.”

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Sebastian Became More Sick After Each Hepatitis B Vaccine

“When I was in the hospital while Sebastian was there, I overheard two nurses talking in the hall. One nurse was from the pediatric ICU, where Sebastian was, and the other nurse was from the neonatal unit, where the preemies are.

The nurse from the neonatal unit said to the other, ‘Well, we just vaccinated all the babies, I hope we have beds open,’ meaning these premature babies that were doing fine in the neonatal unit were just vaccinated and the neonatal nurse was saying to the pediatric ICU nurse that they hope they have beds open because these babies are now needing to be put on respirators, since they are now in critical care. Because of the hepatitis B vaccine just given to them, now the babies aren’t doing well anymore. Doctors and nurses are more aware of vaccine injuries than they lead you to believe.

My daughter is not able to be the champion for Sebastian as I am. She is firmly against any vaccines, as you can imagine, but in 2003, she was so vilified. She cheers me on in our fight. We didn’t know about the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program until four years after Sebastian passed away. The deadline to file was two years after he passed away, so it was too late for us to file a claim.

My daughter found out she was pregnant the day after Sebastian’s funeral. She had a baby girl who will be 12 in September 2015.  Sebastian’s sister has never been vaccinated and is completely healthy.

Since this happened, my daughter did still see the same pediatrician after having our granddaughter, but she never pushed my daughter to vaccinate her. When my granddaughter was about three years old, because of a change in insurance, this forced my daughter to change pediatricians as well. She does love and miss Dr. O’Leary and would probably still see her to this day, if she had the choice, because she did not ever pressure her to vaccinate again.

Even though she was the one who vaccinated Sebastian leading to his passing, this doctor acknowledged his death and respected my daughter’s choice as a mother to not vaccinate further. It was important she had a doctor who understood why she no longer wanted to vaccinate.

We believe it was the third hepatitis B vaccine that was the cause of Sebastian’s health decline. After each set of hepatitis B-containing vaccines, Sebastian got more and more sick. After his first hep B shot was given two days after birth, he got diarrhea and had a fever. He wouldn’t take the breast milk and he got dehydrated. At three and four days old, my daughter was devastated as a new mom who had to feed him formula the first week.

After Sebastian received his second hepatitis B vaccine, along with the other two month vaccines, his mom had gone to Six Flags as a treat from her friends and Sebastian’s dad called her saying he was very lethargic and had a fever. Sebastian’s dad Jeff gave him medicine and watched him like a hawk, as he seemingly got better.

Then his last set of shots given contained the hepatitis B vaccine and his liver shut down.

The reason we also think the hep B vaccine played a big part in this is because I can’t be vaccinated, because my immune system mimics the disease when vaccinated to prevent it. I think Sebastian may have gotten this trait from me. His immune system saw hepatitis and killed his liver.

I have read studies since this happened, involving mice, which show this can happen. I spent three years in allergy treatment and through this process, my immunologist discovered my immune system issues. After three years, he finally admitted there was no way to fix my allergies.

In my family, I have a brother with Crohn’s disease and two cousins with lupus; my mother has immune-mediated kidney disease. I have an aunt with rheumatoid arthritis. All of us were vaccinated in the past. Vaccines are clearly not great for everybody. Physicians ask you about familial heart disease, diabetes … why not immune system issues that may be contraindicated for an immune system stimulant?”

Sebastian’s Story Has Never Made the News

“This is not the type of story any vaccine supporter, which mainstream media serves, will allow out. My point is, until you have a reaction close to you, until it hits you in the face, you want to believe that those in power have your best interest at heart.

If your doctor’s intake money is getting cut by the insurance company for not following standardized prophylactic treatments, and your sales rep is pressuring you into buying a cheap vaccine, you buy in bulk and everyone gets vaccinated.

If you don’t vaccinate, your doctor’s bottom line is affected. If your doctor fails to get a good family history, on any disease in your family, and then pushes vaccines as 100 percent safe and effective, then perhaps your doctor doesn’t have your best interest in mind. This is a major income for all involved.”

Human Vaccines Are Just As Harmful As Pet Vaccines

“I worked in animal medicine for 26 years, I gave thousands of vaccines to pets and I knew vaccines were causing many problems. I had been gathering doubts about vaccines in that field for years, which led me to leave the day practice I worked at and go into a specialty field, where vaccines were not required.

At the vet clinic I worked for, I had serious issues with the way Pfizer handled their sale; right away, they misrepresented themselves, trying to sell us pet vaccines. In the 1990s, dogs received what I call the alphabet shot (DHLPPC) for distemper, hepatitis, leptospirosis, parainfluenza, parvovirus, and coronavirus.

About 85-90 percent of smaller dogs under 20 pounds reacted to the leptospirosis vaccine. These dogs were having many types of reactions, some life-threatening, lifelong, and a few died within hours. Bichon Frises, little white furry dogs, are notorious for dropping dead after vaccination and a lot of Bichon Frise owners and breeders won’t vaccinate their dogs.

So many dogs get the diseases they are vaccinated for. The fact that so many dogs reacted was a clue. Back then, most people still had bigger dogs. In the 1990s, there was a shift to the smaller house dogs and that made the incidence of vaccine reactions go up.

I asked the Pfizer rep, ‘Wouldn’t it be prudent to remove the leptospirosis from the vaccine?’ He answered that it was not cost effective to remove the ingredient. I had been gathering doubts about vaccines in that field for a long time, but this really opened my eyes.

After the Pfizer rep said it wasn’t cost effective to remove leptospirosis, (which is stupid really, in my humble opinion, because you just don’t put that ingredient in since it was causing so much harm in these pets), I asked the rep what Pfizer recommended. His answer was to give a high-dose steroid (their high-priced product, another money maker), five minutes before the vaccine.

They expected us to suppress the immune system with the steroid Solu-Medrol®, to then immediately turn around and stimulate it with the vaccine. That didn’t even make medical sense. As I said before, that conversation was an eye opener. That guy must have hated me because I began questioning every vaccine they rolled out.

The rabies vaccine is the worst. It was causing many health problems, including immune system problems and gut problems and I witnessed some dogs would just drop dead on the table after they received the rabies vaccine.

I also witnessed cats having a huge incidence of injection site carcinomas. On the back of the shoulders where we injected them, horrible tumors would develop. Even if surgery was performed, ultimately this still killed the cats, a process I’ve seen take two years. I brought this up to the vaccine rep because I was concerned about what I was observing. The answer to that from the rep was to vaccinate low on the leg, marking which vaccine and which leg was injected. That way, if a tumor developed, you can amputate.

At the time, the feline leukemia vaccine seemed to be the culprit. I believe now that the vaccine manufacturers were aware then that all of the vaccines could be problematic. In general, any of the vaccines could cause this and they don’t test them for causing cancer; now I see why, so they can’t be blamed when they cause cancer.

If the companies are so into making money that they don’t care about their patients, it doesn’t make sense to use their products. Due to what I was learning and the vaccine reactions I was witnessing, I left that practice to go into a specialty field, where vaccines were not required. I have other stories, but that was my light bulb moment. Regarding human vaccines being safer, I just really believed that human medicine HAD to be different and safer, but I was wrong.”

Our Family Will Never Vaccinate Again

“When I left, I started working at Washington State University (WSU) in Pullman, WA, in their Veterinary Teaching Hospital’s ICU, working with fourth year students on practical emergency and critical care.This was years before Sebastian was even born. It was a six hour drive from where my kids lived. I moved back to Seattle after Sebastian died. I remained in specialty medicine where I finished my career in internal medicine. Ironically, a high percentage of our patients suffered from vaccine-related immune-mediated disease.

My daughter also worked in the same veterinary clinic I did. She stayed in the day practice a while longer and she was working there when Sebastian was harmed. Sadly, I guess I didn’t really convey the problems I saw in vaccines then. I really believed that human medicine HAD to have more safety measures than veterinary medicine.

I always wondered if I had yelled louder about the dangers of vaccinating, would things be different? My daughter assures me that she trusted her doctor and would have followed the recommendations anyway. My family will never vaccinate anyone under our care.

My daughter left the field of veterinary medicine, too. She now works in the field of human medicine and is the medical assistant for a doctor in a foot and ankle clinic. She also doesn’t have to vaccinate. Since Sebastian passed away, my daughter has always been up front with her employers, that she won’t vaccinate patients and she discloses all information to patients, if her practice gave vaccines.

Despite their differences of opinion, even with her knowledge about the harm these vaccines are causing, she loves the doctor she is working with, even though he is still a vaccine person, though not as rigid as he once was. She calls this ‘little steps,’ I think.

Prior to me becoming disabled after I broke my back in 2008, I had subbed for a friend who went on vacation. At the one day clinic I subbed in, I gave complete disclosure on vaccines, letting them know I won’t give them. They didn’t invite me back. I never went back to a day practice other than that.

Nowadays, my job is sharing Sebastian’s story, and working against the mandates we know will be revisiting us in our state of Washington. It takes a huge amount of my time. We have to speak for those who can’t anymore. In this, we gather.

I am thankful to Sallie O. Elkordy, Host of ‘The Mary and Sallie Show,’ who allowed me to share Sebastian’s story and to let people know what is happening to children and pets after vaccination.

Please, do your research, folks; know your risk of infection for said disease, if you want to vaccinate. Our immune systems work best when they are not chemically modified. I encourage folks to share my grandson’s story. It is the only thing that helps us come to terms with his death.

I gave Sebastian that first sink bath; it’s my favorite picture of him. Oh, if I could, I would give him a head noogie, because he would have just turned 13 this year and giving grandma a hug just isn’t cool when you’re 13.

In all seriousness, we miss him so much. Not a day goes by that he is not in our thoughts. The tears still fall. We would give anything to see what his 13 year-old self would have been.

It was a very difficult thing for us to go through, losing him the way we did. Like my daughter says, it’s been like a movie that you cannot turn off or rewrite the script. The sequel, I hope, sheds light on the other side, and stops the Vaccine Holocaust. We had the bad luck to win the vaccine lottery; with any decency in the country, countless others won’t be forced to.

If just one person chooses to inform themselves, if just one more person wakes up, if one family is saved from this hole carved out of our lives, then it gives us some peace. It gives this little man a voice, when he had been silenced for so long.

We love you, Sebastian. You will not be forgotten.

Love, Your Grandma,
Valerie Murfin”

In Our Hearts He Will Be Remembered

His mother Natasha wrote:

“I miss my little monkey everyday. Some days are easier than others but it’s still a very hard thing to swallow. My son’s life was like a very short movie. And just like that, it was over, with the saddest ending. I don’t want this to happen to anyone else.”

Sebastian Ryan Morley-2

In Memory of Sebastian Ryan Morley
May 11, 2002 – January 22, 2003
He passed away at eight months old, from liver failure, after being vaccinated.

  • nworder

    Baby sacrifice for profit – these pharma gangsters are the lowest form of criminals.
    Wait to you see an even lower form of life crawl out from under their rocks – the paid trolls

  • Mrs Chattles

    So terribly sad, so much sorrow and pain, far too many beautiful babies are gone and hidden, swept under the carpet – legally murdered by corruption and their filthy greed, feeding the ignorant masses with sanctioned lies. How many more will be sacrificed before people will wake up and fight against this horrible scandal?. . .

  • nutritionxpert

    What a very sad story. The real problem is that people don’t recognize that EVERY SINGLE BABY AND CHILD that gets vaccinated are damaged, all to varying degrees. Each vaccine causes a human being to pay a price during their lifetime. Each vaccine causes damage and that is why there are no studies showing they are safe because in order to cause antibody production, damage has to occur.

    Aluminum is a necessary component that is a high cationic mineral causing the blood to have a negative zeta potential creating coagulation of red blood cells limiting oxygen to all the water shed areas in the body! The brain, intestines, organs, mitral valve in the heart, etc. all have these water shed areas where damage occurs. The extent of the damage is based on the stage of development of the various organs, brain, etc., the number of vaccines, the type of vaccines, and the other elements in their life that add to the problem, like electromagnetic frequencies from wi-fi, cell phones, SMART METERS, etc. Then giving them tylenol that is in conjunction with the aluminum adjuvants greatly add to the problem.

    Vaccine technology is barbaric at best and incredibly stupid. They weaken the immune system and are a major part of limiting the oxygen getting to cells all over the body. There are many ways to build immunity, but vaccines do not do that! These doctors, drug companies, etc. are attempting to play GOD without the credentials!

  • AutismDad

    So here’s the SCIENTIFIC explanation we will hear about this vaccine death. 1) its a coincidence. 2) child had an underlying disorder (and would have died anyway). 3) It’s genetic. 4) Stop listening to Jim Carey and Jenny McCarthy 5). Vaccines are safe and effective and adverse effects are mind compared to real viral illness. 6) we are vaccine experts….we know. 7) this child could have withstood 10,000 or 100,000 vaccines huh-yuk. 8) You don’t understand SCIENCE!. 9) You Libtards are pro-disease. 10) We did a meta-analysis of a bunch of studies that show no autism connection, Ask Paul Thorsen 11) Take your concerns to pediatricians who are VACCINE EXPERTS. 12) Anyone critical of vaccines must have mental health issues. 13) VAERS and NVICP are not evidence of vaccine adverse events.

  • Free People

    Thank you Augustina for this story although heart wrenching, the TRUTH about the Vaccine Holocaust the world has been suffering since their inception has to be EXPOSED for both humans and animals. I’m so glad to see we are now also warning about vaxassinations for animals.

    I will forever provide info and links on the TRUTH to everyone I run into, family, friends, even enemies, in order to STOP THE VAXASSINATION AGENDA.

    People need to wake the flock up BEFORE the damage is done. Never, ever vaxassinate anybody or any animal. Tell these quacktor$ to take them themselves.

  • Free People

    “Every dose of ANY and ALL vaccine types CAUSES HARM to those who receive it.” — Dr Andrew Moulden

    He resigned from Medical Practice in 2007 to testify on vaccine safety (or actually the HARMS of vaxassinations) and was killed by the medico-mafia, pHARMafia and government in 2013. They can’t have someone EXPOSING the HOAX that is VAXASSINATIONS. Before and after pictures of the victims of vaxassinations he collected were evidence of the physical damages caused by this medical QUACK practice that needs to be ABOLISHED and the pushers prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I can now look at a person and see the vaxassination damage on their face thanks to this wonderful doctor and researcher.

    https://www.endalldisease.com/dr-andrew-moulden-found-every-vaccine-causes-harm-then-died-suspiciously/

  • Free People

    “- the paid trolls” — hahah, good one and so true. How low can you go – Troll Low.

  • Web Watcher

    very sad. the truth of vaccines must be spread. fetal cell vaccines must end.

    look up cogforlife.

  • Why Are You Here?

    My heart aches for you and your family. I am sorry you and your baby were victims of this lie regarding vaccines. This is true courage ~ telling the truth.

  • Tonino

    It is insane and criminal to vaccinate so young children but not surprising since we live in Orwellian times.
    “Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything
    is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities
    destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy
    information, and religions destroy spirituality.” — Dr. Michael Ellner

  • Bastet11

    I’m so terribly sorry about the loss of your sweet baby boy. Sharing his story is saving lives. My heart aches that such a sweet little child was only allowed such a short time in this life. I wonder what amazing things he would have done.
    That part about the neonatal nurses makes me so sick. The NICU at Scripps Hospital La Jolla vaccinated my 34 week preemie for HepB completely without my permission. Despite his prematurity, he was in great shape. After the shot, he developed jaundice and stopped latching on to feed. I also ended up having to formula feed him, it was so awful. He would cry inconsolably as a baby and toddler and later was diagnosed with SPD, has fine motor skill delays, hand tics and stims constantly, even at age 9. He is a very smart boy and reads at college level and we have amazing conversations. But his SPD issues are sometimes very hard for him to control and I often wonder if he will ever be an independent adult. When he is stimming, he will actually walk into traffic. I have to watch him at all times.
    I love my boy, but I often wonder who he would be if he’d not been damaged by this shot.

  • Doctor Jack

    Such disheartening stories abound because most folks blindly trust “doctors”. The problem is that while their “doctors” may be nice people, the fault herein lies with their pharmaceutical indoctrination centers “education”. The students are not taught what’s best for their clients but rather what’s best for the industry and vaccines, as just one example, generates billiions! Any doc that messes with this the holiest of holy grails, will be making a seriously bad career move. The chemical companies have to goals: 1. Making money and 2. Thinning the herd. With vaccines and the truth be told, almost all “medicines”, they are achieving both. 250,000 people die from medical “care” every year making medical “care” the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.

    The problem is that most dis eases are due to incorrect habits of living so the solution is not vaccines or “medicines” but rather correcting habits of living. So your best bet is to seek out those in the health education field, preferably those that have sought out independent sources of information/learning that’s NOT CONNECTED to the medical/hospital/doctor industrial complex. We are the pioneers and we’re making progress all over the world as people are waking up to the fact that it’s not contagion but rather contamination that destroys health. The same factors that are destroying mother earth also destroy human health. All of the dis eases that infants/people are “vaccinated” for are caused by contamination not contagion including, of course, the contaminants called vaccines. There’s no such thing as vaccine, there never was, never will be and to think otherwise will not make it so. This baby,was, in short, poisoned to death.

  • AutismDad

    I did a search of VACCINE DAMAGE today and found a lot, but these sites were the best and I’d like to share them. Most are long lists of personal vaccine injury/ death stories.
    vaccinechoicecanada.com/personal-stories
    vaccine-injury.info/about.cfm
    greatmothersquestioningvaccines.com/injury—stories.html
    edgytruth.com/2015/07/19/this-vaccine-injury-story-infuriated-me/

  • nutritionxpert

    Yes, I am very familiar with Dr. Moulden who mysteriously died at the age of 49 just before he was going to make a presentation to a medical meeting. The problem he had was being able to have diagnostic equipment that could show the proof. Also, an ethical issue because how do you show damage without damaging someone. The stroke evidence is certainly a good start, but in order to prove to the world this problem, you have to come up with a way to prove it beyond a doubt if you want to make it stick with these medical terrorists that have been severely indoctrinated and are not about to give up their money & power over patients.

    To get these terrorists ( they use fear & intimidation ) to admit they are wrong is not easy! I do have a way to see blood flow and examine each of the 52 parts of the brain that are watershed areas now to see the damage even to tell exactly when the damage happens. I believe it will prove Dr. Moulden’s concepts and even go beyond his work to show a correlation to POTS & ALS as well. It is actually possible to see the difference in each brain area and determine the actual difference from normal before & after the damage. The medical diagnostics are terrible and primitive in many ways and that is the big issue that Moulden could not figure out how to show the proof. There is a way, but money & time are the road blocks. Good luck to you.

  • nutritionxpert

    The world we are living in is incredibly corrupt and most of it is due to so called experts in their fields playing God without the credentials. Then you have marketing guru’s that are using Edward Bernay’s techniques to sway the masses and create this incredibly destructive assault on man-kind far worse than any nuclear problem. As far as our medical system is concerned, we allow them to make people believe that minor diseases are terrible and respond to symptoms as if they were a horrible event. The immune system in all animals and man need to be constantly challenged to activate the mechanisms that make our immune system strong. Symptoms are typically expressions of the immune system doing it’s job. When you have a strong immune system and get sick, the sickness only lasts a very short time and that challenge strengthens your immune system not only for that particular sickness, but for ALL attacks on the body.

    Look at the ingredients in vaccines and imagine all that poison being injected into a baby! OMG. No one in their right mind would inject all kinds of garbage into their automobile gas tank on purpose! Why would anyone think putting toxic waste into a child’s body is a good thing?

  • Poor kid and poor family :( I personally WILL vaccinate my kids (not only for their sake but for the sake of future siblings, friends at daycare institutions etc.) – HOWEVER, the system is clearly very different in my country. I cannot wrap my head around why you’d vaccinate a 7 months old baby against hepatitis B. The vaccine is not only incredibly risky, you need to give small doses over a longer period of time (to build up anti-bodies). Liver failure clearly indicates that there were given way too many vaccines and that maybe the dosages were too big. I’ve talked to a couple of friends in America and it makes me sick to my stomach to hear that barely any doctors inform patients of the risk of certain vaccines, potential side effects etc. No wonder the anti-vaccine movement is rising up again.

  • Tammy Brown

    So sorry to hear of your loss. Within 3 weeks of receiving the hepatitis b vaccine, initial dose, I had vision loss left eye. Within 4 months I had bilateral thigh numbness. The connection wasn’t made in time, by my team of physicians, that I was suffering hepatitis b vaccine injury. The injury was nerve demyelination and it went on to full blown Multiple Sclerosis. My youngest is on a religious exemption for hepatitis b vaccine, although he also had a bad reaction to a DPT vaccine that resulted in a Tourette like reaction with rapid eye blinking and facial ticks. In NY the m. meningitis vaccine is now mandatory and he will have religious exemption to this too. M. Meningitis vaccine has killed at least 56 nationwide, caused meningitis in people in NY, and injured over 3500. Hepatitis b vaccine is contaminated with DNA Polymerase, and as a pharmacist I believe that this product should have been recalled years ago. The same terrible product is still on the market in the USA, what a disgrace and total failure of the FDA and CDC. No one should ever sacrifice an intact neurological system (or organ) for temporary immunity to a germ which one may never encounter. Pharmacologically speaking, any adverse event must be considered as caused by the vaccine unless proven otherwise, without a shadow of doubt. That’s simply how pharmacology works, because any person can suffer any adverse event from a substance, even if no other person has that same reaction, as an idiosyncratic reaction. If more than 2 people suffer a similar event, in the absence of a known factor, that event must be listed as an adverse event caused by the vaccine/drug. Please continue to speak out. We need to have a law, such as Sebastian’s Law, to allow parents to avoid these kinds of dangerous drugs, pain, suffering, and death of an innocent life. The baby committed no crime, yet was sentenced to a lethal injection. Not even the most heinous criminals in NY are administered a lethal injection. Time we take control back! We need to find attorney’s and politicians unafraid to go against the vaccine manufacturers, overturn their right to not be sued, and allow people to avoid unnecessary deaths from vaccines!

  • Ruth

    For some children vaccines are a death sentence and for others it permanently disables them. This is a game of Russian Roulette which people are being forced to ‘play’ with their children’s lives. All for something that isn’t properly understood, doesn’t work properly, produces obscene amounts of profits for drug companies and for which they are not liable for. It’s a nightmare.
    Perhaps doctors aren’t even informed enough to give their patients all the information? Those that become whistle blowers are harassed and/or put out of business. At least you seem to have a choice about what you do to your children?

  • NoToGMOs

    Actually, the first dose of Hep B vaccine is given soon after birth in the hospital, in the USA.

  • Wendy Allen

    The health issues you mentioned in the family tree maybe due to Celiac. No gluten/dairy/soy/sugar/GMO…vitamins/good oils/minerals….LDN..detoxing may help. Tests may not work to diagnose Celiac. Cyrex labs may help.

    Yes pets not vaccinated may live a longer life. The Hept B shot gave MS symptoms to people in France and I did not give it to my kids in elementary school when it first came out. They didn’t give my kids a cookie or juice so they felt bad when the other kids got this. I have MS so didn’t want them to get the shot. The nurse called me…I told her and she didn’t sound happy.

    The vaccine schedule is too many vaccines/too young and too many all at one time. 3 vaccines at one time is even almost too much on a child. Sad story and to hurt a baby or kids is sad. Newborns should not be getting shots or kids under 3 years old. 7 vaccines every 2 months? Too much…hurts them. People need to be able to opt out. Medical free in a Democracy and free to choose Alternative medicine if they want.

  • Lindsay Parry Wilson

    I am so sorry for your loss. 😥😥Your story was very hard to read. My son is 7 months old today & I saw the photo of Sebastian in the casket & that broke my heart. Poor baby 💔 😥
    I’ve never vaccinated my son and I’m so glad I did my homework before we had him. We had so much pressure in the hospital to vax, it’s just crazy. They make you feel like your doing something horrible by not vaccinating. We just stood my ground. My heart goes out to your family & thank you so much for getting out there & telling your story. You will hopefully be heard by a lot of people & make them think twice & do their research & not just blindly trust their doctors. You are saving children’s lives by what you are doing. Thank you!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • Kandi King

    I was raised that it was important to vaccinate…so I did..my first was always sickly..the secondhad very bad reacy=tion after the first and second scheduled shots..she screamed for hours and even worse when touched..Doc said it was a “normal”reaction and just give tylenol..my next two had no shots and have been much healthier their whole lives…I have studied it out..I WILL NOT VACCINATE!!!

  • Junie

    The poor Baby had too many doses at once. Vaccine overload. Everyone gets an information leaflet/ form on each vaccine before or after any vaccines are given. Parents are informed to look out for possible symptoms of a reaction. No one is uninformed unless they decide to ignore all the info and potential risks mentioned on these leaflets & Forms. There is also the CDC websites that many Nurses and Doctors refer parents to.

  • Erwin Alber

    As far as I am concerned, even just one vaccine is one too many. Every vaccinated child is in my estimation a vaccine-injured child, even if the harm caused is not obvious. Keeping one’s child vaccine free is therefore in my opinion the only sane option.

  • Erwin Alber

    Vaccines have never protected anyone, saved anyone’s life or prevented anything apart from health, sanity and common sense.

    “Belief in immunization is a form of delusional insanity.”
    Dr Herbert Shelton, USA

    http://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/do-infectious-disease-mortality-graphs-show-vaccines-save-lives/

  • Erwin Alber

    All vaccines must end and the vaccine industry must be shut down for good as a matter of urgency to put an end to this medical fraud and child abuse.

  • Wendy Allen

    Yes…vaccines hurt. I don’t even want to give them to my pets. Antibiotics/heavy metals also hurt. They may hurt mitochondria which may never recover. The mom gives the mitochondria to the child which may be hurt. Each generation to me is less healthy. Celiac is very common and it makes the immune system go down and the liver not detox well and less nutrients absorb in the intestines. Pray for America and countries we give our food/vaccines to thinking we are helping them. It is one big experiment.

  • Erwin Alber

    If you have the diagnostic tool to show the damage vaccines cause, please take care you are not taken out as well!

    Any chance of posting before and after photos on a webpage? I would love you to submit an article which such documentation for publication to my Vaccination Information Network. http://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com

  • We need to know more about what you are seeing and how you are doing that? It seems to me that these fields of people in the health care field investigating vaccine truth, have perhaps become very dangerous.

    Doctor Moulden had down very well the physiologically based explanation as to what was happening with vaccine caused, (aluminum adjuvants combined with vaccine induced immune system cytokine activity), resulting blood sludging, and thus mini strokes in even infants, to adults. He had an endless number of pictures as to that progression, and where you could visually see the stroke symptoms in the person he could detail the story about. Corner of the mouth, bilateral fold of the cheeks, and as well the eyes not being symmetrical or straight in alignment. The facial changes were said to because by lack of oxygen to certain microvascular areas, or territories of the brain; which thus caused lesions on the corresponding cranial nerve/s. That in itself was clearly damning information, and that no one withing in his field of brain science had ever refuted, nor had even attempted to.

    I have always stated that if they ever were to do before and after vaccination, darkfield blood microscopy; they would see major changes in the blood. and changes. That diagnostic means to see live blood instead of dead blood that exists under an electron microscope, certainly has been greatly refined since the days of Antoine Bechamp and other. That is the main object of darkfield blood microscopy, to determine abnormal and sick blood from health blood. If the composition of the blood after vaccination changed in the way that Andrew said it did; then that alone would tell you that vaccination was a very healthy protocol.

    I have been waiting for the day that I would see someone take up his unfinished work again. That so much needs to happen.

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    REDACTED VACCINE DEATH FORENSICS REPORT

    Baby M’s Parents,

    Petitioners
    Vs.
    Secretary of Health and Human Services,
    Respondent
    Preliminary Neurobehavioral/Forensics Report: Baby M, a minor.

    Dr Andrew Moulden BA, MA, MD, PhD April 30, 2009
    Vaccine Injury Coalition

    http://www.vacfacts.info/baby-ms-parents-vaccine-death-forensics-report.html

  • nutritionxpert

    Hi Erwin: I am very aware of the issues involved in this endeavor. I am going to put your “www” in my data bank and as the project moves forward, I am working with several doctors and one in particular that has published 100’s of papers and we fully expect to publish as well. Thank you for the offer and will be in touch.

  • nutritionxpert

    Also, you may want to get the book “Vaccination is not Immunization” by Dr. Tim O’Shea 4th edition. It is a very good read and fully referenced.

  • Lucia

    When will people see and learn that Big Pharma is worse than the maffia and i’m sorry to say this but most docters would have to be utterly stupid not to know this. So if you stay in that profession, i’ll call you license to kill, cause every docter should know that every medicine he describes either targets your kidney’s or your liver to malfunction. I never was one to use medicine but for me the limit was reached the day i went for a skin related problem,got a salve/cream which could give you so much horrible side effects in which case each of them was much worse than the problem itself i threw it in the nearest streat bin and never ever took a medicine again, i am schooling myself in homeopaty and herbal alternatives. These are much older ways of healing and not invented by BIG BUCKS CRIMINALS with an elimination agenda in mind.

  • Erwin Alber

    Thanks – I have a couple of copies of Dr O’Shea’s excellent book – I forget what editions.

  • R. Gus

    “Ultimately, if he hadn’t had the vaccines, none of this would have happened.”
    Not an iota of evidence is given that this was the case.

  • shotofhealth

    How much evidence would you like R. Gus?

  • shotofhealth

    One vaccine can be one too many, not just the ridiculous amount that the USA pushes on everyone. And why on earth would anyone want to trust the CDC? They lie and deceive. It’s nothing short of evil.

  • shotofhealth

    I feel so, so sorry for the parents and grandparents of Sebastian. So unnecessary.

    What I find simply incomprehensible is how nursing staff take it upon themselves to administer drugs without the consent of the parents. The nurse(s) who do this should be sued personally. You can’t sue the pharmaceutical company but you CAN sue the staff.

  • nworder

    Just the evidence that he got sick and died after the vaccines.
    I wondered how long it would take for a creepy vaccine shill to crawl out of the woodwork – you will have more justice administered than the pharma
    executives since they are doing it for big money – you are selling your soul for coppers.

  • susan

    But pretty obvious. My niece changed within 24 hours…. long story short, autistic and diabetic. Twenty-Four. HOURS after vacs

  • JME

    Where are you going that nurses give drugs without consent????? As a nurse, I am required to receive patient, or patient parent consent, before giving vaccinations, and am required to receive signatures of pts who do not want vaccines, and I NEVER bully pts into vaccines. I do my best to give patients/parents the most info I can about vaccines, but I cannot know every reaction a pts will have, nor can I know every patient who will have a reaction. Patients always have an opportunity to discuss these vaccines with their doctor prior to receiving them, as well. I now work in a different clinical setting where I don’t have to give vaccines, and I will say that prefer that, because I believe there are too many uncertainties when it comes to vaccines, as well as because of people like you. How is this the nurses fault, and why should the nurses be used???

  • nworder

    Not even one vaccine is safe or does anything at all to protect future siblings – they cause permanent damage to health and your DNA line.

  • R. Gus

    Start with some evidence of what actually caused the liver failure.

  • EllyW

    Love your list of SCIENTIFIC explanations! Great to see them all in one place! Once you have a good list like this, there’s a little game you can play: You predict which scientific explanation on the list will be the one you get handed the next time you tell somebody about your own child’s disastrous vaccine reaction.
    I’m the parent of a vaccine-injured child and I suspect you are, too. It’s a hard life for both the parent and the child. Thank you for compiling and sharing this list. I hope it opens some eyes and minds.

  • Al Mather

    So if that “blood sludging” and mini strokes were indeed happening in the brain as Moulden described they would also be happening simultaneously throughout the body in all microvascular areas..and other easily detectable tissue-specific enzymes and isoenzymes levels would elevate following vaccination. Do they??

    If as Moulden claimed these “ischemic events” were truly happening MRI s of the autistic would consistently show evidence of perivascular inflammation and co-localized brain tissue loss… but they do not!
    But who needs all that logical empirical evidence.. Mouldy could LOOK at pictures and videos and tell that these things were happening.. ( Then charge you $2500.00 and sign you up for his “Brainguard” supplement.

  • Jeb

    Hepatitis B cause liver disease. Check the package inserts for the vaccines given which also contain toxic chemicals that could damage the liver.

  • MOLLY29

    This vaccine industry is the most “evil” of all the pharmaceutical lies. It will hopefully some day be exposed for the truth. The pharmaceutical companies do not have human health in mind. Like everything the global elites do, they put a benevolent front on everything when in fact the truth is the “opposite” of what they are doing. Hence….vaccines are the missing link in disease and are causing all of the disease with time released diseases planted there by the vaccine. It is pure evil and all those involved should go to jail and the perpetrators at the top who know the truth should be tried and erradicated from this planet for the murderers that they are. We own our bodies, don’t we. Our bodies our choice. If some one doesn’t want a vaccination and is forced to have one this should be a huge RED FLAG as to WHY??????This needs to be brought to the forefront in the news but it is hidden and never sees the light of day because these monsters own the media too and the schools that teach medicine. This is really hell on earth when you think about the depth of this conspiracy against mankindl.

  • MOLLY29

    Did you read the article????? These nurses are not to blame. Its the vaccine makers that are the blame. What the hell is the matter with you, oh I see, you read but you don’t understand what you read. You must have been vaccinated….and are suffering some brain disfunction. Lucky for you it isn’t worse.

  • MOLLY29

    The medical industry have beeen “brainwashed” into thinking that vaccines are the answer and have closed minds on anything else…that is brainwashing. Its very sad that we cannot trust our medical industry to provide good health. Its isn’t about providing good health it is about spreading disease and death which is the opposite of what they claim which fits well with how the elites operate. They put a good front on everything but in fact it is the opposite. EVIL……

  • MOLLY29

    Well said….the truth of the matter. I too have studied about vaccines and they are the missing link in the spread of disease. The medical industry is the 3rd leading cause of death and people don’t know this fact. The corruption is so deep and so many are brainwashed, how can we ever clean it up with the CDC and FDA just as corrupt as the system. We are in a terrible time…..and I don’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. People wake up…..

  • MOLLY29

    That is it exactly…well said. Like i have said before, the elites that run everything and OWN all the institutions have fooled us for a long time…..hundreds of years and so many still have trust. Anything they put a benevolent front on I immediately think it represents the opposite of what they are pushing…and I have been right. Don’t believe anything anymore, search it out for yourself or suffer the consequences. It is corrupt and disgustingly evil and these people should be done away with before they kill us all off as that is their intent. Don’t kid yourself, we are being attacked and killed off quietly and silently while they prosper.

  • Al Mather
  • Doctor Jack

    I offer one on one paid health consulting but I also offer free health classes to the community. You might be inspired to do the same? Also, showing eye opening videos on local community access stations like “Bought”, “American Addict”, “Dead Wrong”, “Vaccination: The Hidden Truth” on Youtube, etc. You could provide an opening narrative followed by the films, providing your name and contact information for those who may want to get support your efforts. It’s my belief that this battle can only be won at the grass roots level, one person at a time. The CDC should be called The CDIC – Center for Disease and Information Control – not acknowledging that vaccines are the causes of death and damage, have predicted at present rates, by 2041, half of all adolescents in America will be brain damaged. The country will be pretty much over at that point, don’t you agree? There will no capable work force for private or public business. Those behind the scenes that control everything and pull the strings actually want to bring the country down and will make billions in the process. They own all major industry, all the important politicians and, of course, the media. If the public isn’t deprogrammed and re- educated by those at the grass roots level, these oligarchs will prevail. Do what you can and empower others to take up the good fight. Do not let evil prevail.

  • nworder

    How is Al Mather the character assassin – how does your own character look – taking cash for trolling for the vaccination death and illness of infants.
    This will come back on you in the fullness of time – what you will stoop to for trolling cash is an endless pigs trough

  • MOLLY29

    Thanks Dr. Jack. I have noted your youTube videos which I will watch and save for others to see. We have to do something about this horrible conspiracy and if I can pass on information that will even make people just think about this issue, we may have a chance. So many are just trusting…..they cannot bring themselves to this that this kind of evil prevails and exists….because most people are good in their hearts and the evil elites know this and use it to perpetrate their evil. So many people that have tried to expose this have been taken out, killed, murdered, and then covered up. Its hard to expose these evil people when they OWN the media as well as the institutions that teach the doctors. I guess we can just keep on trying to expose it. I will do what I can by sending these movies around on facebook maybe. So many people believe in vaccinations and are really mean and downright nasty to people like us who have researched and know the evil. I have had many arguments with these kind of people and they are really over the top with the brainwashing and won’t even consider looking outside of the issue, never read a book or do any research. Its a tough fight.

  • MOLLY29

    The shingles vaccine gave so many people shingles and they still don’t get it…..

  • URSULARICHES

    So you think it is JUST the vaccines which are harming us? You think all of the other medications are fine? You think the big pharmaceuticals that do these vaccines can be trusted with other medications? When I was young, we were told to keep warm and sweat out a temperature. Only prolonged high fevers were cooled down. Now, we are told to keep our children rather on the cold side, we are told to give them paracetamol or ibuprofen to bring temperatures down and to keep them cool. Paracetamol is extremely bad for one and should only be used occasionally. it makes bronchitis and asthma worse. Antibiotics destroy all of the friendly bacteria and give us thrush or candida. Candid is really terrible and gives one all manner of complaints. Mercury is really toxic, one atom will kill one human cell. It is more toxic than lead. Many people have poor health because of mercury poisoning from their fillings and when they are drilled out….it can be evenworse. Although mercury has long been known to be highly toxic, they allow us to have it in our mouth where it releases mercury as a gas, it is slowly ground into ones body with the foods we eat, it penetrates into our teeth and jawbone. We are being given GM foods in every loaf of bread, when we eat dairy, eggs and meat. They say GM is labelled but all soy unless organic or specifically not GM, it is going to contain GM soy. Crops are sprayed with chemicals just prior to harvest in order to preserve them better. Welcome to a world where we are slowly being poisoned or in the case of our kiddies, being poisoned to being underperforming unwell humans. Is there going to be a cull of humans? We will be dying off more and more quickly, living less and less long and our quality of life is dropping with our lack of health. So many couples are so unhealthy, they are not even fertile, they cannot even conceive children without medical interference and this is when they are in their 20s. .

  • URSULARICHES

    Did the nurses and doctors actually look at the research for the vaccines? If they did they would not be able to persuade us to have them. My GP apologised for having talked me into vaccines for my children when I felt uneasy about it. He could not continue to be a GP as everything went against his conscience.

  • AutismDad

    Its the hogwash we are fed when we ask for answers. Only the most brainless or brain dead would accept any as a valid explanation

  • MOLLY29

    You are STILL going to vaccinate after knowing what you know from this article. Arent you going to do more research? This is the missing link in disease…..and you are still going to vaccinate your children knowing what you know from this???? Give your head a shake, do you want to be responsible for what your children contract after the vaccination because everyone gets something…..its time released diseases. This is pure evil.. Don’t be fooled as it can be lethal.

  • MOLLY29

    You effing troll. You will rot in hell with all the others for this. You sick puke. How low can you go. I guess you are the scum, scum wipes off its feet.

  • MOLLY29

    No I do know that the entire system is evil. The Monsanto’s of the world are poisoning us through our food, GMO, andthe pesticides Roundup. Fluroide in the water and god knows what else. The geo-engineering of the weather and the particulate that falls down on us and comes down with the rain. We don’t have a chance unless alot of people wake the hell up and realize that we are being culled right now as we speak. Its called Quiet Wars, Silent Weapons project, right out of the United Nations. We are hooped unless something is done and soon. Look at that site put up by the shill regarding vaccine conspiracy…..these trolls are always there to confuse things and spew more lies. They are demonizing all the doctors against vaccination and the stupid people buy it…..If they would follow the money they would find out who the real monsters are. There is no money in going against the system and exposing the vaccine lies…..can’t people even think for themselves. NO I guess not, we are already too brain damaged to be “critical thinkers”. There is no forward gain in exposure of this industry but there sure is if you are part of the pharmaceutical industry or are a paid off doctor. The vaccine industry is worth HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. alongwith the rest of the poison. THE DRUG COMPANIES MAKE OVER A TRILLION $$$$ YEARLY. That is a trillion reasons to keep this lie going especially when you are a greed driven psycopath out to cull the world of its people.

  • They are all to blame, the big pharma vaccine makers, and as well the doctors and the nurses who allowed themselves to become that vaccine promoting brainwashed. The entire medical and health care model that they were trained in, is exclusively run by and only surrounds the concepts of big pharma’s drugs and vaccines. Physiologically based speaking and in regard to any true understanding of human health care; the big pharma based health care system and establishment has arrived yet today with no real understanding of real causation, and thus appropriately based health care protocols.They have failed to think outside of the box, and to independently research on their own, and they should have In an age of information like exists today, and such as it is today. Such continued ignorance, is clearly all a choice.

  • Al Mather

    Oh hi Mol… Mom says to call home.
    Pretty high wit for an anti vax poster girl. About as logically valid as any of Lowells’ responses too.

  • Al Mather

    Facts is facts. Moulden charged $2500. to diagnose 30 second videos sent to him. Moulden sold his “Brainguard” supplement which was nothing, Moulden was a quack who never had his medical license .. and took 8 years to complete 3 of the 5 required years of residency in Psychiatry before he gave up. Probably a smart guy but struggled with mental illness and finally took his own life. And if any one if listening I’m still waiting for my trolling money I keep hearing about.

  • Doctor Jack

    Yeah, you’re so right. I guess they just get to win the “Darwin Award” huh…
    Ironically, I, like the elites, also believe there are too many people on earth but tricking people into euthanizing themselves, their infants and children and the elderly would not be my choice but in a perverse way, I can see how they would do this as it gets them closer to their goal or fewer people. I think the best approach is to educate people into better living practices which, on a large scale, would probably result in fewer babies being born since the urge to merge would be way lower than it’s current and historically unnaturally high level due to toxemia and thus survivability issues. Farmers have an expression, “A plant that’s sickly, goes to seed quickly.” The same holds true for animals.

  • :( I personally WILL vaccinate my kids (not only for their sake but for the sake of future siblings, friends at daycare institutions etc.) WHAT???? For the SAKE of future siblings, and day care institutions? Really How does that work? You need to actually educate yourself with the independent information; and before you reply post. Vaccines always have, and ALWAYS will, do far more harm than good.

  • You even LIE with the claim that Dr, Moulden’s field was not in the field of brain science? What was it then, the field of wood working, and much like you brain between your ears is obviously made of, a block of in denial, wood?

    No one refuted his findings and clearly because no one could, and clearly because they knew they were correct. He had neurologists as well sit in on his seminars, and they were entirely blow away.

    The only reason he did not entirely get his residency in the field of prescribing just to cover up sysmptoms and with no real physiologically based answers, is because he QUIT. He could not operate in a medical field that he knew was all wrong, and lies. All as well based on a false understanding of the germ theory. This man was a REAL physician, and unlike you FAKE physicians that only follow what their failed and false big pharma teachings dictated to them. No self thinking is allowed that is outside of the indoctrinated box.

    Actually ischemia/ hypoxia is visible with an MRI, and shows up the healing with new blood vessels surrounding the area, as white puffs on the image. Unfortunately they have not known and nor realized what they were looking at, misdiagnosed it, and the result has been treating with drugs that only made the situation worse.

    Any person with any common sense and a basic understanding of the varied levels of the evidence of stroke in a human being can easily recognize what Dr Moulden was said to have had, on at least 5000 images of pictures demonstrating the outcome and even in regard to vaccine caused stroking in infants. This is what those in his field could not deny, and had no other explanation for.

    You Al Mather, in the denial of all this information, end up as nothing but in denial and trolling scum. The truth is all there, face it.

  • You know all to well that this lying and twisted blog, and full of false and attacking misinformation, has been banned from replying with on this site. But yet you post it anyway. So keep doing that and see yourself banned from posting here further. Remove it yourself, or have it removed.

  • Ruth

    They’d probably be sacked, or wouldn’t gain employment in the first place, if they refused to do their employer’s bidding.

  • Ruth

    I agree with you. Only something bad which is FORCED on people is truly evil.

  • Bonnie Jacobus

    Hey, my son was a preemie, high apgars, color etc. He sustained a brain bleed at three days of age and respiratory issues. I’m wondering if they gave him Hep B as the records aren’t clear and he died two weeks later. What do you know about Pediarix?

  • Ruth

    Some people just ‘get lucky’ in that their children have no negative reaction to a vaccine (that they can see immediately, anyway). And, because of this, they never question anything about the ‘official’ dogma produced by the pharmaceutical industry and are more concerned about ‘fitting in’ to what is ‘required’ by society.

  • Al Mather

    You are the one claiming it happens.. and if it did…which it does not …there would be signs that it had occurred elevated enzyme levels..MRIs showing the inflammation. I can’t PROVE what isn’t happening idiot.
    His residency was in Psychiatry Lowell… why the hell would he have issues with Germ theory??? and why would it take him 8 years to complete 3 years of his residency to suddenly realize an issue with germ theory was some kind of conflict for him. What an idiotic lame rationalization. Which I do not see him ever stating in any way, do you? Where are these imaginary neurologists Lowell?? Got some names and testimonials?? Right.

  • Al Mather

    I have no knowledge of that at all.. you brought this guy up not me. This is his story.

  • War On Health — How Pharmaceutical Companies Slaughter Tens of Thousands of Americans Each Year
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQIA1bEY0WA

  • Oh yes you do, and you do have knowledge of it, and you do fully understand that; but nice try. REMOVE IT!!!

  • Actually I deal in nothing but verifiable information and facts. You are the person who needs to show and that prove that the said blood sludging and as well the said ischemia/hypoxia said created by vaccines, would be if existing, identifiable through your said enzyme levels detection. Get to reply posting that said information, and the evidence for that, and your claim, now.

  • You have no evidence for your claims, and nor that said $2500 claim, period. That blog as well never had any evidence for that said claim. Go ahead and present with that direct evidence, now.

  • valleystina

    If a nurse is working in an abortion clinic, isn’t she just as responsible for the abortions as the doctor’s are? A nurse isn’t an innocent by stander, nurses have tough choices to make like everybody else. Not that I believe the nurses should be sued.

  • valleystina

    Then you are not very informed. With all the controversy going on about vaccines, you have some tough decisions that you have neglected to consider. And now that you have read this article, you are no longer ignorant of the possibilities when administering vaccines. It’s all up to your conscience, what you are now willing to do and not do. To many people in the medical field are turning a blind eye, if they would stop turning the blind eye then maybe other children will be spared from losing their lives or suffering adverse reactions, such as autism.

  • valleystina

    A lot of diagnoses are only a well educated guess, and doctors make educated guesses everyday. Her doctor said, ‘Because this child was vaccinated less than 24 hours prior to onset of illness, we can NOT rule out the vaccines as causative.’ And that’s the best you’ll get, because they don’t want to throw any sticks in the spokes of the pharmaceuticals. It was the vaccines that killed this child…

  • Donald Monty

    “With a heavy heart, we share Sebastian Ryan Morley’s story.”
    And how heavy is your heart knowing you’re exploiting a child’s death from idiopathic fulminant hepatic failure to advance your anti-vax agenda?

  • valleystina

    That is a very optimistic view point that you have. I believe that the doctors are knowingly administering the poison, it’s about the bottom line, it’s about the almighty dollar.

  • I am talking straight up truth to you; and YOU call me an idiot? And what does that make you?

    Loads and loads of pictures that Dr Moulden had, and directly showing the stroking in babies, children, Gardasil girls, military adults, and etc, etc; is obvious proof of stroke, and when determined as well what cranial nerve was effected with a resulting lesion. You do not know what is involved with and as to the evidence of a stroke, (mild and/or to severe) in the human brain? Then what do you know in regard to this matter at all? Obviously nothing. In your denial you just pretend to.

    Again, where is you direct evidence that blood sludging as described, and subsequent stroking effecting the cranial nerves, is and would be evident by the study of elevated enzyme levels?

    You simply believed any to much to lose attacking blog that you could find, and that was out there. That and without knowing the real story; and you didn’t even care what the real story was. You have to deny it all.

    1.) Dr. Moulden, can you tell us a bit about your background?

    I am 44 years of age and have spent my entire adult life in academia, university, and clinical health science studies, practice, and research. My affinity for the brain and behavioral sciences stemmed from a genuine desire to find answers to many unanswered questions, questions such as – Why are we here? What makes us human? and What causes illnesses like schizophrenia, dementia, multiple sclerosis, learning disabilities, and many other often debilitating illnesses.

    My area of expertise is in neurobehavioral assessment of brain and behavioral disorders.

    My Bachelor’s degree was in Biological Psychology. I graduated valedictorian with an 88% cumulative average from Nipissing University, North Bay Ontario, Canada, in my core area of specialty. My Masters degree was in Child Development with my main thesis in language and neurocognitive development in children and adolescents (Laurentian University). My Undergraduate course grades in Brain and Behavior (98%) and Neurobiology (94%) were straight “A’s”. I achieved a similar level of academic success during the Masters and PhD degrees.

    My PhD was in Clinical-Experimental Neuropsychology. I completed a sub-specialization in Cognitive Neuroscience at the University of Ottawa during the PhD degree. My PhD comprehensive exams were on Acquired Brain Injuries and Post Concussion Syndrome. I worked with the Mild Brain Injury Association as a group leader and also the Head Injury Association of Toronto, during the PhD training. My PhD comprehensive exam was on acquired Brain Injuries. My clinical work was devoted to detecting acquired brain injuries.

    I was a Natural, Sciences, Engineering, and Research Council of Canada scholar, an Ontario Mental Health Foundation scholar, an Ontario Graduate scholar, and received 27 Awards/scholarships for academic, research, clinical, and teaching excellence during my University training. I was ranked in the top 1-5% of medical residents during my emergency medicine residency rotations in Ottawa.

    I have taught enrichment courses on Brain and Behavior, Neurology, Neuropsychology, and Neuropsychiatry at the University of Ottawa (1993-2005) and full courses in Neurbobiology at Atlantic Baptist University in Moncton, Newbrunswick Canada.

    My clinical training during the PhD was in Clinical Neuropsychology at the Baycrest Hospital, Rotman Research Institute – University of Toronto, and the Credit Valley Hospital, Ottawa Health Sciences Center memory Disorders Clinic. The PhD thesis was in Functional Brain Imaging and Neuro-Electrophysiology at the Univiversity of Toronto. I subsequently completed a medical degree at the McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario.

    During the PhD my extra-curricular training was in Behavioral Neurology and Clinical Neuropsychology. My clerkship electives training during medical school was in Clinical Neurology. My residency training was in Psychiatry/Neuropsychiatry. I received the licentiate of the Medical Counsel of Canada (2006) having passed the core knowledge (LMCC 1) and clinical skills (LMCC 2) exams consistent with the United States Medical Licensing Exams (USMLE parts 1 and 2).

    During my clinical residency training I was ranked in the top 1-5% of medical residents during rotations by my supervisors including my emergency medicine rotations in Ottawa.

    I have elected to devote myself to neurobehavioral and neurocognitive assessments and research based upon my PhD and Masters training rather than practicing clinical medicine. I pursued a Medical degree solely to further understand brain and behavioral disorders, from a clinical medicine frame of reference, rather than pursuing a goal to become a practicing/prescribing physician.

    For the past several years I have devoted myself to deciphering the neurobehavioral sequel associated with immune system hyper stimulation, neurodevelopmental disorders, and ultimately to vaccinations as the common environmental trigger for several brain and behavioral disorders I have studied since the undergraduate degree.

    My work will be submitted for peer review in the upcoming several months. For now, peer review is available in the Tolerance Lost DVD series as I have translated the medical sciences into an information and presentation style that can be understood by the public at large, as well as the vaccine injury court special masters. Examples of the evidence of harm, I have cataloged in a ‘see for yourself’ format.

    Read more:
    http://vactruth.com/2009/07/21/dr-andrew-moulden-interview-what-you-were-never-told-about-vaccines/

    This is what was on that 6 hr DVD series, and which I own; acquired at the seminar he did in 2009, in my home town.

    Tolerance Lost Vol 1/3 – 1 of 16 – Moulden
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZXM-TKvLN8

    Vaccine injuries, Dr Andrew Moulden Montréal, Sept 2009
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQHmZw91G1c

    Dr. Andrew Moulden in Hamilton, Ont, Canada Nov 30/09 – 1 of 4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ApDkvCNQo

  • What I can tell you is that Pediarix has shown to be a dangerous vaccine, and combining that many vaccines into one, is purely reckless insanity.

    Pediarix™ (Diptheria | DPT/DTaP | Pertussis (whooping cough) | Polio | Tetanus | Hepatitis B (HBV))

    The Scoop on Pediarix: the New 5-in-1 Vaccine for DTaP Hep B IPV, (also lists the long list ingredients in this vaccine)
    http://www.vaccineinfo.net/immunization/vaccine/dtap/pediarix.shtml

    Aluminum: The Neurotoxin Far Worse than Mercury…
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/21/could-this-be-the-most-dangerous-aspect-of-vaccines.aspx

    Aluminum content in vaccines
    http://www.drgreenmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Screen-Shot-2014-07-19-at-12.20.07-PM.png

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    Aluminum and Vaccine Ingredients:
    What Do We Know? What Don’t We Know?
    http://www.nvic.org/Doctors-Corner/Aluminum-and-Vaccine-Ingredients.aspx

    Dr. H (Suzanne Humpries) takes down Offit re aluminum!!!!!!

    Paul Offit lies directly, without shame, millions in vaccine patent
    CDC is criticized by HHS for severe conflicts of interest
    Pharma is indemnified ZERO liability
    54% of all US children have a chronic condition

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt6X2p-zV6o

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    Vaccine Ingredients — A Comprehensive Guide
    http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccine-ingredients/

  • Ya right, and as if babies die of liver failure, all the time. And how many ever die of liver failure and which have never been vaccinated? Your disgusting, endless, and no matter what, vaccine injury denial, (and on every article here), should give you a heavy heart in which you can no longer even face yourself in the mirror. Go ahead and reveal any and all conflicts of interest that you have?

  • shotofhealth

    You are right Molly29, my apologies, when I wrote this reply I was also rummaging around on another site where a nurse HAD gone ahead and vaccinated without permission.

    No need to leap to insults though!

    But I do disagree with you that it is the vaccine makers who are to blame. Read the extract below.

    So yes, if a nurse goes ahead with a treatment knowing full well that it is causing problems in newborns, she IS to blame.

    The nurse from the neonatal unit said to the other, ‘Well, we just
    vaccinated all the babies, I hope we have beds open,’ meaning these
    premature babies that were doing fine in the neonatal unit were just
    vaccinated and the neonatal nurse was saying to the pediatric ICU nurse
    that they hope they have beds open because these babies are now needing
    to be put on respirators, since they are now in critical care. Because
    of the hepatitis B vaccine just given to them, now the babies aren’t
    doing well anymore. Doctors and nurses are more aware of vaccine
    injuries than they lead you to believe.

  • Donald Monty

    The fact that babies DON’T die of liver failure all the time despite the fact that almost all of them are vaccinated should tell you something. What do you think that should tell you, Lowell?

  • Donald Monty

    Window of crap, you mean.

  • nworder

    Donald Monty I think is Al Mather – the site troll – unlikely there would be two
    trollers that could sink as low – so Al and his dog picks up the troll cash for doing this stuff.
    Al could turn up at the grave sites of these medically murdered toddlers and diss on the parents – this would give Mather a high .

  • nworder

    How heavy is your heart trolling that this vaccine holocaust should continue
    so that you can line your pockets with a few dollars .
    You probably look forward to the next infant death so you can make extra bucks. Al Mather – you stink !

  • nworder

    Why uptick yourself – you are the kitty kelly of vaccine trolls – digging up stuff about money whereas you would lick pharma boots for a dollar.

  • nworder

    Usual idiocy from Mather and then he upticks with his other identities – big pharma’s little bootlicker

  • nworder

    Dr Jack – You have probably fallen for the “too many people fraud”
    Southern England is about the most heavily populated per square mile and there is tons of empty land – even wildernesses – I have driven for miles on empty roads in the country .
    England has good living standards , space , parks
    high GNP nice housing etc .
    Britain became the workshop of the world since it had people that could make , sell and buy things.
    Without people – especially young people – you have no one to make sell and buy – you have wildernesses and poverty .

    Poorly populated areas are often poor .
    All the people of the world could stand shoulder to shoulder on the Isle of Wight – or have a farm each in the state of texas .

    The animal kingdom far exceeds human flesh – probably by the thousands.
    There are enough resources to feed , clothe and house everyone – another 100 billion could be on the earth.

    But corporate greed , war , misuse of time and GNP for dross like american medical care , movies , gambling , sport , crap like disneyland , etc etc
    makes the world a sick place much of the time .

  • Doctor Jack

    You’re probably right. The truth is humans wandered off from their biologically correct environment and well, look what happened. If, like other species, we stayed within the tropical zone around the world where our correct biological foods grow, our numbers would be much lower while other species that are now extinct because we’ve encroached on their habitats and also contaminated much of the world, the world would be a much much much different place. What has actually happened, is, I believe, very far afield from what was suppose to happen. Of course this probably sounds absolutely ridiculous but all non-domesticated species are restricted to the environment to which they are biologically adapted. What we did was modify environments to which we migrated to make them meet our needs due to our superior intellectual skills of survivor ability. I guess you could say that what has happened was suppose to happen because that’s what has actually happened and it would be hard to argue with that but I still would.

  • Vaccinating is operating an anti-Life intent – behind a mask of the seeming power to protect from fear.
    To choose NOT to vaccinate is not anti vax – it is simply to choose Life regardless of fear, and leave anti-Life un-chosen.
    If you have already allowed any form of anti Life to usurp your sovereignty of will – then don’t add to that with worry or fear – but reclaim your will by aligning with true desire – free of hidden hate and fear – which do NOT truly protect – but merely displace or hide anti Life in forms of deceit that bring on loss, conflict, sickness, and death.
    Anti Life gets its identity in OPPOSITION to, but Life shares identity within Itself.
    Jesus said ‘Resist ye not evil” – because to feed hate with hate is to become hate.
    To recognize the hateful beneath the forms of deceit is to recognize a choice that can be left unchosen.

    We use the world to substitute for real relationship in so many ways – and have done so for millennia – so as to be caught up within our own deceits. Waking to – and then waking from such an oppositional self-will is often deeply and cuttingly painful – but FROM such a cut to the Soul-feeling is a truly humble and compassionate resolve accepted one’s heart’s desire.

  • But don’t forget the placebo effect.
    Faith can work miracles. But investing faith in magical or deceptive intent gives power away to a wishful or power seeking sense of fearful existence. For the wish is but a covering over a willing otherwise and the lust for power is the isolating burden of those who believe themselves powerless and threatened with exposure of invalidity and unworthiness of self.

    I’m not disagreeing with Dr Shelton – but I am saying delusional insanity is much more deep seated in human consciousness and life on Earth than is recognized by those who begin to see some of the symptoms and signs it is there – but still WANT it to fall exclusively on OTHERS.

    Belief in scapegoating others and killing them or driving them out of town is a form of delusional insanity or wishful magical thinking. It CAN seem to work for a while – but then the sickness returns and so the war escalates and war-mind replaces the Peace in which truth is discerned.

  • Canadian pediatrician Noni MacDonald has been in New Zealand, saying “You’re nuts if you don’t immunise. It’s like denying children the right to grow up and grow old”. An ironic comment, when considered in the light of articles like the one above. (I have posted items on MacDonald at http://vaxnix.com )

  • shotofhealth

    Ah, of course, no-one is allowed to tell a tragic story except those who lie and deceive! Much like the benign and self-limiting measles disease “outbreak” at Disney where all the “victims” were vaccinated! Where nobody died! And nobody was injured! They just had measles!!! But everyone else now has to be injected with toxic filth because the vaccine failed!!

  • shotofhealth

    Hi JME, I know it’s shocking and I believe that you are probably a very good person. I respect your views about the uncertainties about vaccines but please, do more research so that you are absolutely certain of their dangers, consequences and the destruction they are wreaking on the human race.

    The truth is that many nurses administer vaccines without consent. You can search on that and find out for yourself.

  • Al Mather

    He had pictures of peoples faces Lowell.. and you refer to that as proof. Because he had lots and lots of pictures of peoples faces YOU think he had lots and lots of “proof”… He was “going to” submit his “work” for peer review.. or even publish at all.. just hadn’t gotten around to it yet.. BUT! Somehow he had managed to find the time to offer his crap in a 6 DVD series.. & ”
    “The Tolerance Lost DVD series, a USA vaccine legal exemption guidebook, and a evidence of harm materials are available at http://www.BrainGuardMD.com.”

  • MOLLY29

    GFY There is nothing to gain for the doctors that have put their careers on the line to save thousands of babies lives from autism, death, and so many other misery life ruining diseases caused by vaccines. I have done two decades of research and have a library on this subject that would blow your mind. Vaccines are ineffective for what they have been touted to do and only cause many other neurological damages to the brain and body. Don’t you know that the science these elites are pushing for profit is bought and paid for…. You are a shill for the pharmaceutical companies and should be ashamed of yourself and please don’t comment anymore…..everyone knows a shill when they see it. Once again GFY

  • Al Mather

    Wow ..really ? A library that would blow my mind? I’m so Impressed Molly. You sound like you really know you stuff. Guess it’s time for me and my worldwide network of evil BP shills to fold up our tents and go home… battle lost boys. Their grasp of “truth” and that mind blowing library of Molly’s has proved just too much for our poorly planned scheme to depopulate the Earth, poison all the babies, and reign misery and death down on the brainwashed masses. We had a good run. Turn off the Chemtrails before you leave.

  • MOLLY29

    I don’t believe there are too many people on the earth. Why beleive what they say, as they never speak the truth anyway;, why would they tell the truth about the populatuion and the resources. “The earth provides enough for all mans needs but not all mans greed” a quote from Ghandi which I believe is true. The math has been done and all the people 7 B could be put in Texas with a 1/4 acre. I have travelled all around the world and between the big cities which are over crowded because the elites have pushed everyone off the farms and into the citiies, but between the cities the land is empty. Look at Canada alone, empty with resouces that could sustain the world. They lie about everything. They conrol the resources and all technology that would make life easier and cheaper ie: energy technology that has been supressed for the petro industry and the elites whom own it for instance. It goes on and on…..the lies and bought and paid for science to back it up. I believe nothing they say, in fact what ever they promote I believe the opposite and usually I am right. They use a benevolent front for everything but its usually the oppositel. The the GMO crops are supposed to feed the world????? That isn’t working out too well is it? Not only are their yields less than traditional farming, they are poisoning the land and the people with the produce it brings. Total evil and all lies….Keep up the good fight.

  • MOLLY29

    You effing troll. GFY. and die you sick puke. You will pay for your sins eventually, and it won’t be nice, as you deserve to pay for your lies and deceit along with the rest of the trolls.

  • MOLLY29

    The CDC and the FDA are totally corrupt so why would anyone look to them for the truth in anything. Vaccines are the missing link in spreading disease and death and it cannot be denied if one does the appropriate research. You do NOT get the correct informaiton when you go to the CDC and the FDA’s websites…..they work for Big Pharma and you will get nothing but lies and misinformation to cover it up.

  • MOLLY29

    Clearly they are all complicit. All the controversy around vaccines, you would think these people in the health industry would do the required research and not the research on the websites of the perpetrators, like the drug companies/World Health/FDA/CDC websites as they are all compromised and you will not get the truth from any of their sites and unfortunately these people are too brainwashed to connect these dots and don’t realize you should follow the money $$$$ to get to the truth. They really are part of the problem. You would think they would get it. Why would a doctor compromise his career by revealing the dangers of vaccinating knowing that his career will be destroyed???? Because they care about the truth and are willing to do the right thing anyway unlike the rest of the health industry.

  • MOLLY29

    I agree. Alot of them do know and its about the money but I do believe some just don’t know and are willing dupes. All doctors are not as smart as you think. some of them only got 51% just enough to pass. Get my meaning. I know some of these type of doctors, they are willing dupes.

  • Doctor Jack

    My thinking is based on what humans are in nature. We are anthropoid primates and as such, our correct symbiotic environment is a thousand miles north and south of the equator so that’s the only area where we should be living because our biologically correct need for food, mostly fruits, and warmth are easily met there. Of course, that’s not what happened, obviously but just because what’s happened, happened, doesn’t mean it’s correct. I haven’t quite put my finger on it yet but there’s some missing information as to how what has happened with mankind has happened. The closest I can come to this ‘missing information’ is influences from outside earth. It’s a pretty big universe out there and it’s any one’s guess as to what all there is and what interactions there have been between humans and whatever.

    We have trashed the earth and the oceans and soiling one’s nest is always a bad idea and will cause it’s inhabitants to become ill and sickly and die prematurely. That which we are doing to the earth is that which we are doing to ourselves that causes so much human suffering. We are also causing suffering to billions of animals and extinction of entire species and one of the reasons is we are crowding them out of their natural habitats with our constant population expansion. That’s not a good thing.

  • Donald Monty

    Personal attack.

  • nworder

    You are AL MATHER – woof woof !

  • Valerie Murfin

    I was warned about posts like this one. They certainly were more heartfelt about listening to our story, than you’ve been reading it.

  • Valerie Murfin

    Actually this study does demonstrate hepatocyte damage in mice following HepB vaccines.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22249285/

  • Valerie Murfin

    Again here you go. Unless you don’t trust NIH.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22249285/

  • Al Mather

    Here’s some archived threads of folks trying to deal with “Dr.” Moulden from back in 2008. Not pro vaccine people. People looking for answers and finding a BS artist.
    http://onibasu.com/archives/am/239205.html

  • CA Disneyland info: 24 total cases reported in CA, 38.8 million residents, 56% of the outbreak was in adults normally never revaccinated after childhood. Zero cases were transmitted in schools. No schools reported outbreaks. Contrived mass hysteria hits the US media outlets, with repeatedly fear mongering articles claiming that the unvaccinated are causing outbreaks, and so to get vaccinated.

    Next thing you know multiple states are being hit with big pharma lobbying and the CDC’s Naccho front group to introduce bills to remove all vaccine exemptions but the medical exemption, which is now controlled tightly by the CDC. Medical exemptions are so strictly guided that nearly nothing qualifies, and there is no such thing as a general medical vaccine exemption; if you had a bad reaction to one vaccine, it doesn’t mean you that you will not be forced to take the rest of them; and as each vaccine is decided separately.

    And now we as well have out of Florida the new federal bill H.R.2232 – Vaccinate All Children Act of 2015, which as well intends to remove all existing vaccine exemptions at the federal level; which fortunately is of course going to be much more difficult to pass.

    This means that with the federal vaccine court enacted in 1987 removing all legal liability for vaccine injuries for pharmaceutical vaccine manufacturers and all providers, that now the next step in the move is to lock in the profits which the vaccines market is set and projected to be worth $57.8 Billion, by 2019. After that point, no matter how many vaccine injuries exist, and nor no matter how much vaccine truth and science showing the harm of vaccines, nothing can be gone to stop this destructive destroying the health and lives of infants, children, teens, adults, and all the way to grandma and grandpa, vaccine profit Goliath.

    Vaccinated with TOXIC AND POTENTIALLY CONTAMINATED vaccines from birth, until the grave. Nothing for them is enough evidence of the harm that has been done. It is without any legal liability, never going to be enough; and also because they control all of the so called acceptable information and the cooked junk science studies, and the data. They want it to continue to stay that way.

    Disney, Measles and the Fantasyland of Vaccine Perfection

    8. If vaccines work, the vaccinated should be protected. If they don’t work, ask yourself why are you allowing them and exposing your child to such incredible risks?

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/01/disney-measles-and-the-fantasyland-of-vaccine-perfection.html

    The already long existing and the real study science has already long since, shown us what the REAL truth is.

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.

    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract

    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

    Measles Vaccines Part I; Ineffectiveness of Vaccination and Unintended Consequences. ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD) – See more at:http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/18/the-ineffectiveness-of-measles-vaccines-and-other-unintended-consequences-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

    Measles Vaccines Part II; Benefits of Contracting Measles ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD)
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/29/measles-vaccines-part-ii-benefits-of-contracting-measles-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

    The truth about the measles, natural immunity, and the vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-truth-about-the-measles-natural-immunity-and-the-vaccine.html

    Measles and Mumps Protect Against Heart Attack and Stroke
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/measles-and-mumps-protect-against-heart-attack-and-stroke/

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease – See more at:
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    Autism Parents Reply to CNN: ‘Hear This Well’
    Correspondent’s remark sparks grassroots video campaign in which parents tell their stories
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/933954-autism-parents-reply-to-cnn-hear-this-well/?photo=2

    Hear This Well Parents Speak Out
    by Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence 263 videos 317,704 views
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe

  • I think that should tell you to actually look at the real science and studies that have been done.

    [ During this visit, Sebastian received the vaccines for DTaP, hepatitis B, and HiB. This is five vaccine doses.]

    New Study: Hepatitis B Vaccine Damages The Liver

    http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/new-study-hepatitis-b-vaccine-damages-the-liver/

    Apoptosis. 2012 May;17(5):516-27. doi: 10.1007/s10495-011-0690-1.

    Hepatitis B vaccine induces apoptotic death in Hepa1-6 cells.

    We conclude that exposure of Hepa1-6 cells to a low dose of adjuvanted hepatitis B vaccine leads to loss of mitochondrial integrity, apoptosis induction, and cell death, apoptosis effect was observed also in C2C12 mouse myoblast cell line after treated with low dose of vaccine (0.3, 0.1, 0.05 μg/ml). In addition In vivo apoptotic effect of hepatitis B vaccine was observed in mouse liver.

    Read more:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22249285

    Hepatitis B Vaccination Causing Liver Damage

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHsD93HpjJ4

    HepB Vaccine Causes Liver Disease: Science Shows How

    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/hepb-vaccine-causes-liver-disease-science-shows-how

    Hep B Vaccine Damages The Liver It Is Supposed To Protect

    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/hep-b-vaccine-damages-liver-it-supposed-protect

    And here is what the to much to lose a-hole standard big pharma mislead medical model is saying about it. Just like they say their big pharma connected studies show that measles vaccine protects from other chronic illness, and when the long standing real studies show just the opposite to be true, and that natural immunity to measles is what really primes the immune system correctly, and thus protects agaisnt chronic illness, and cancer; later in life. This is nothing but a medical mafia monopoly, that strictly controls all the information and junk science studies that the public receives, and to keep it all falsely, in their knowingly more harm than good being done, favor.

    Hep B Vaccination May Cut Deaths From Liver Disease
    Taiwan study highlights need for vaccination for all, U.S. expert says
    http://www.webmd.com/hepatitis/news/20130903/hepatitis-b-vaccination-cuts-deaths-from-liver-disease-cancer-study

  • If it is all crap alias no identity Donald Monty, then why can you not present with even one single and nor valid argument against, and nor to refute this information? You live in nothing but lying denial, continually. If you had to use your real standard medical model medical employment title here to reply post here, would and could you still continue to do it? Yes or no? If if the answer is yes, then provide that for us now, and then continue to reply post here? I do not want to hear any more of your COWARDLY, and false excuses.

  • Yes, it is a very difficult situation that their big pharma mislead and educated training has put them in. That, of course when speaking of if it in terms of if and when these doctors and nurses start to realize the truth, and then further their study and knowledge, independently.When they see their entire education and career going down the drain, to ever speak out, and as they should; that would be a shocking reality enlightenment; that not many of them have the courage and the guts to face. They can all go into a naturopathic field somewhere, and at least feel good that they are doing the right thing, and the best that they can do to provide true, and real physiologically based health care.

  • AutismDad

    As opposed to you who has no heart just a maggot’s love for dead children.

  • Argus, are you back in here again, and after being banned now, how many times? Haven’t you read the study showing that Hep B vaccine can cause liver damage? And do you think that giving those 5 vaccines to a small child, and in one day, was a smart decision by the doctor? But then vaccine mad man, Paul Offit the CDC spokesman, has stated that by his studies and calculations that infants and children can safely tolerate 10,000 vaccines in a single day. Here is his quote, from the CHOP article journal he said it in. “In fact, Dr. Offit’s studies show that in theory, healthy infants could safely get up to 100,000 vaccines at once.”

    Here is a link to CHOP article the screen shot, as to his claims. And its from your favorite site.

    Paul Offit’s 10,000 vaccines at once
    Offit

    [Here Offit says kids can take 100,000 vaccines at once. He then changed it to 10,000: “In fact, Dr. Offit’s studies show that in theory, healthy infants could safely get up to 100,000 vaccines at once.” pdf copy andpdf copy of Parenting magazine article where he says the same thing.]

    http://www.whale.to/vaccines/offit23.html

    http://www.whale.to/v/offit1.html

    Paul Offit-The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/paul-offit—the-real-truth.html

  • That link does not show and nor provide any evidence at all for your previous claims in regard Dr Andrew Moulden. In fact what is stated there is just the opposite of what you claimed to. In fact the majority of it all, is in support. What, is John Best an authority, (and who I know of quite well), and who believes emphatically that mercury in vaccines has been the only causative factor in autism? It may have been for his son; but as to and in regard to vaccines in general; it is by far certainly not the only contributing factor.

  • AutismDad

    So very well put.

  • Al Mather

    Point of this is that they start out talking with Moulden and he prattles on about his credentials. They like what they are hearing ..he promises answers. Nothing ever comes of it. He ducks and dodges and rattles on without answering questions put to him. They soon realize he is trying to steer people to his Brainguard diagnosis and services and that he charges thousands. People on the board start to realize he is just a con man and “poison”.

  • Did you even bother to review any of his information, when it was the brainguard site, (now non existing)? Obviously not. Did you ever review the tolerancelost website that he had in 2009 and 10, now (now non existing)? Obviously not. Did you ever review the Tolerance Lost DVD series, and which is still archived right here.

    Tolerance Lost Vol 1/3 – 1 of 16 – Moulden (6 hrs of video)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZXM-TKvLN8

    Answer, obviously, not.

    Did you ever review this extended video as well which shows the pictures of even babies when they are stroking from vaccines?

    Vaccine injuries, Dr Andrew Moulden Montréal, 12 sept 2009
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQHmZw91G1c

    Answer, obviously not.

    How about these? And you still see no facial pictures of infants and children with vaccine caused stroke?

    09 Andrew Moulden En 07 de 11
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hUOVChsJ9w

    09 Andrew Moulden En 06 de 11
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58KLLm1q0_Y

    (Part 2 of 3) Vaccines, Autism and the Solution. Featuring Dr. A Moulden
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS080izL3zQ

    (Part 3 of 3) Vaccines, Autism and the Solution. Featuring Dr. A Moulden
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG2BHffHjZE

    Again, you obviously reviewed, NOTHING. Why? Because you insist on remaining in disbelief, and in DENIAL.

    Let me know when you can actually create a reply post where you know anything at all about what you attempting to reply post about????

  • You sick, twisted, knowingly lying, and in denial piece of less than human, complete garbage. There just has to be a special place in hell for people like, YOUI

  • AutismDad

    Notice he’s upticked but the other trolls don’t post anything?

  • You have no knowledge, period; and as to what you are talking about. That is NOT his story! That is a sick and personally attacking blog that is even worse and even more lying and twisted than what Gorski puts forth. How dare you put that up as his story!!!! You LYING and SICK piece of garbage!

  • Al Mather

    Now Lowell. Easy there buddy. Some folks might misconstrue that kind of talk for personal attack.

  • Al Mather
  • You are the sickest and most twisted liar ever, and you know it. Where did he not answer questions? I attended his seminar in 2009 and there was not a question left that was not answered, as to the issue. And again you have no reference and nor any evidence for your claims, other than some equally sick disinformation blog that you may have read years back. He still has a lot of followers as to his information, and as to those who research it.

    Current articles are still being written.

    Dr. Andrew Moulden: Learning to Identify Vaccine Damage – See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/dr-andrew-moulden-learning-to-identify-vaccine-damage/

  • Al Mather

    You are right Lowell ..Because this scam artist had pictures. Made videos. Sold supplements, DVDs, long distance bogus diagnosis through pictures. He was a fake, a charlatan, members of his own family said he was a fake. Never once did this non physician …in all those years.. publish ANY of his “work” … nothing peer reviewed.. no viable science to share.. what he has claimed can not be backed up by any physical empirical evidence. No MRIs, autopsy, enzyme tests to back up his claims. YOUTUBE links Lowell.

  • Al Mather

    There’s multiple threads entitled ANSWER A DAMN QUESTION MOULDEN.. c’mon Lowell. He would cut n’ paste he credentials again and again.

  • I read that nauseating and twisted article, long ago. No actual science, Gorki has absolutely zero evidence for what he states, does not exist. Just because they never looked at any of that pathologically within the standard medical model, does not mean it does not exist. He even states that ischemia does not show on an MRI. It does show, and as i said before, they have just not known what they were looking at.

    If you think that mindless and what amounts to the real quackery, filled article; disproves anything at all that Andrew put forward; then you are deliberately as dense and in denial as David Gorski, himself.

  • Donald Monty

    I’m not at all questioning it was a terrible tragedy, nor that the family is convinced it was vaccine-related.

  • Al Mather

    Hey.. you want to lick this fakers boots go right ahead Lowell. No one is stopping you. I’m sure it’s not the lowest creepiest thing you’ve done.

  • Al Mather

    Okay Lowell. ….Whatever. Sure.

  • Donald Monty

    Again, with your history I wouldn’t feel safe if you knew who I was or where I and my family live. And again, I’m not going to jump through your little hoops like this 16-link wall of crap.

  • You are already liking the boots of every big pharma executive and doing their and the devils bidding. And just what exactly are you falsely insinuating with that twisted bull crap. You twisted, sick, and desperate loser. Vaccine shills like you are quite obviously some of the lowest forms of life on the planet.

  • And that was the best you could do? Where are your applicable studies and data, from a big pharma journal?

  • You deserve nothing more than that here on this site, and as to your reply posting. Do us all a big favor, and just leave. People are here reading these articles to learn; and that is what they are intended for. You have zero desire to debate anything honestly and nor diligently. Your only goal is to deny it all, and you know that. There is no constructive purpose, need, and nor any point to you being here. You simply do nothing but only waste everyone’s time, and with your endless denial.

  • Donald Monty

    So you posted 2 links to the same abstract of a 2012 mouse liver cancer cell line study and then 3 opinion pieces and 1 YouTube video opinion piece from anti-vax sites (see your usual pattern again?) trying to say it’s evidence Hep B vaccines cause liver damage in people?
    More evidence you don’t understand the crap you constantly copy and paste.

  • Valerie Murfin

    I would really like to know what medical degree you hold. I hold one in veterinary medicine. I bought vaccines from the same companies that make human vaccines. They misrepresented themselves on many occasions, that is the lied to sell their products to us. They showed blatant disregard for our patients. They show no more respect to human recipients of their products. If your are in the woods and a tree falls on yo,u crushing your skull, is the tree not the cause of you’re death? Technically in this instance you died of blunt force trauma. The tree though correlating can not be proven as causative. I have the pathologist performing an autopsy on my grandson that says he can NOT rule or the vaccines as causative. I would like to know what degree you hold that could possibly refute a practicing pathologist. Please share.

  • I posted that study link twice to show that it was in Pubmed, and as well what kind of a journal it came from; and that was the only reason. The links of article commentary help people understand the study. And you call that just opinion.

    So if you claim here that I don’t understand it then you are also claiming that the study authors did not understand what they were researching and writing, either. Thus you can just blow it all off as of no significance in relation to the subject content of this article. Typical shill response; again and again predictable, and straight out of the repeatedly failed shillers debate manual.

  • I said I did not want to here any of your cowardly EXCUSES. And what history is that, you lying scumbag? That was a fair question and you have failed to answer it. You know that you would not want anyone connected to that medical establishment, and nor their patients ever knowing about what you do, and as to what you put forth on such as these articles. Make it up, as you go. I’ve never been charged with even as much as simple assault, anywhere. Come on. What history?

  • Donald Monty

    I’m not comfortable debating this issue with you, the grandmother of this child. I have no ill feelings toward you at all, am sorry for your loss, and won’t be commenting on this article again.

  • Then you should have directly linked to it and quoted some of it. I looked through a lot of the initial links on the page, and didn’t see it. I’m not wasting my time endlessly going through a pile of he said, she said multiple, multiple link trash like that. His training and credentials are and were what he and they said they were, period. That has never been in question Such a stupid and invalid argument, and all the while entirely missing and ignoring his actual work, and the information put forth. Just another false attack on credibility, and nothing more. That is all they can ever do. Sick.

  • And again, where are your enzyme studies and data that show such said blood sludging caused by aluminum adjuvants, and the resulting cytokine activity of vaccines, would be evident simply through enzyme levels tests? What he claimed can be backed up with known physiologically based understanding of the human body and the brain. He had plenty of doctors and as well neurologists at his many seminars, and all of them were blown away, and no one ever refuted it. No one in his field of expertise ever refuted it; and you know they would have, if they could have. The issue was just known at the time, and right out in the open among them. Eventually he paid the price in only being able to continue his career, if he signed a contract to stay silent on vaccines. In the end, he paid with his life, and as I believe that it happened. He was onto and investigating something that would have made him a very big dog, if he had ever come forward with it, and he was. They simply can not allow that to happen.

    And in your twisted and must deny it mind, that is the false image that you must create for yourself. The man gave up a very prestigious career to do and put forth what he found and knew was right. He was immediately branded as a danger to the multi levels of the standard medical model, and treated accordingly. You may not see it or want to see it, but I assure you many readers can see it all. To bad for you.

    Health Canada Corruption – Dr. Andrew Moulden – MD, PhD
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbo5vf_health-canada-corruption-dr-andrew_news

  • mvfjhf

    Thank you for sharing your story. My heart goes out to you and your daughter. This perfectly reiterates why vaccines cannot be deemed safe for all. It’s the same as a medication with a side effect. My children had many side effects from vaccinations looking back. I’m so glad that I won’t let them go through any of those effects again. Prayers for your grandson.

  • Nice DODGE of the question!!! And even you can’t keep lying in the face of the grandparent. You can’t even state specifically what medical profession you are in? That wouldn’t, and doesn’t give your identity? What a coward; and just as I said.

  • mvfjhf

    I think many are for SAFE vax as well as education and physicians actually being more educated on chemicals making up a vaccine. Vaccines can be helpful however they also can/and do cause harm. Until changes in vaccine safety are made this “agenda” for our child’s safety will continue. Consider yourself lucky you’ve never had to experience a child having a vaccine reaction!

  • mvfjhf

    So true!

  • mvfjhf

    I meant to unlike you!

  • 441019

    It just takes common sense to realize that injecting foreign substances into the human body will not make that individual healthy. But people have been conditioned for years to believe that doctors know best and that vaccines keep us healthy. My mother had scarlet fever as a child, and my grandmother and two of her brothers had tuberculosis as children (they survived). Today, we do not receive vaccines against scarlet fever or tuberculosis, but we don’t see epidemics of those diseases, which were more common in the past. In past times, people died of infectious diseases because of horribly unsanitary conditions and poor nutrition. It was better nutrition and improved sanitation that led to declines in death from infectious diseases. Today it is not germs that are the main problem, but now we have to be concerned about GMO foods and pesticides and artificial ingredients in our foods as well as fluoride in our water, not to mention radiation and bio-engineering.

  • 441019

    Of course, this is a great tragedy. But this baby died in 2003. The title of this article is “Infant Dies Following 5 Vaccine Doses,” and it gives the impression that this is current news that has just happened. It would be better not to give this wrong impression in your title, that this is a recent event.

  • nworder

    Since Al MATHER is at the other end of your lead can you
    drag him with you ?

  • nworder

    AL MATHER is a professional troll – he makes a few bucks spreading dirt for pharma – he has no conscience and will do anything for money but he accuses doctors of doing the very thing he does. He poses with different identities like Donald Monty.

  • nworder

    Bug off AL MATHER – you are the one who pastes crap pharma science .

  • shotofhealth

    Lowell, you are FANTASTIC! Thank you – I have copied your information for future posts :)

  • shotofhealth

    Donald, you are not ‘comfortable’ debating this issue because you are a cold, heartless swine and you know you have nothing to back up your evil comments! This poor child and family are considered merely as ‘collateral damage’ when it comes to vaccine injuries and deaths. We are dealing with REAL people here, REAL lives and a REAL tragedy, not just a few kids who contracted a benign, self-limiting disease like measles. Valerie, my heart goes out to you and your daughter, Natasha, and your late grandson, Sebastian and all of your family who have been saddened by the loss of Sebastian. No-one can know what you are going through unless they have been through it themselves so all people like us can do is extend our arms out to you in sympathy and continue fighting for the truth to be told. Please be assured that there are people all over the world who are sending you love at this tragic time.

    As nworder asks, take that other troll Al Mather with you. The world does not need your sort.

  • Matt Medlock

    This is very very sad, but a couple of things don’t stick. 1. In the beginning of the article they say the onset of symptoms started 2 days after the vaccines were given, and the pathologist said because this child was vaccinated less than 24 hours prior to onset of illness, and the VAERS report says it started 6 days after vaccination, which was it 2 days, less than 24 hours, or 6 days? 2. Jaundice is actually very common in infants. The developing liver sometimes cannot keep up with the removal of bilirubin in the blood. Jaundice can even happen from breast feeding, both the baby not getting enough milk, and substances in the milk. 3. KNOWING your child has a adverse reaction to the Hep-B vaccine, which he had had 2 reactions to previously, why in the hell would you allow him to get a 3rd one. To vaccinate blindly, while knowing your child doesn’t react well to a specific vaccination, is flat out negligence. Sorry to say, but this could have been prevented by a little due diligence on the parents part.

    Of course the first knee jerk reaction is to blame the vaccines, but this is both negligent and irresponsible. Vaccines are proven to work, to believe otherwise is ignorant.

  • Matt Medlock
  • Valerie Murfin

    Thank you for your kind words, hopefully his story can invoke at least one person to research vaccines, before blindly following a doctors recommendation. Where there is a risk there must be a choice.

  • Valerie Murfin

    Or jaundice can happen when your liver fails. Since youa sked
    He began vomiting and diarrhea, 2 days post vaccine he turned yellow 2 days after that. It was stated in the article that parts of the VAERS report was incorrect. I really couldn’t tell you why the pathologist wrote what he did, but it would seem he feltThe vaccines were worth mentioning. The vaccines were continued because she was following what her Dr recommended. After he died his Dr was the first to recommend it being reported to VAERS, as she was actually involved in the case. I feel her actions in reporting him as avaccine reaction speaks volumes more than your opinion. Clearly vaccines are not safe for everyone, I myself have a permanent medical exemption for all vaccines. There have been several outbreaks recently of mumps and whopping cough in completely vaccinated populations. Apparently the efficacy should also be questioned.

  • Valerie Murfin

    The title doesn’t confer any date at all. When this happened very few were aware there could be a problem with vaccines. This may have happened in 2003, but it is no less poignant to the issue. It is certainly not forgotten by us.

  • Matt Medlock

    “The vaccines were continued because she was following what her Dr recommended.” So knowing your child has a adverse reaction to a specific vaccine, which happened twice with that same vaccine, and you don’t bring it up to the Dr. when you see what vaccines your child is getting? As I said, a little due diligence could have easily prevented this. The Dr. doesn’t know what you don’t tell them. By not mentioning he had a adverse reaction to the Hep-B vaccine the Dr. more than likely thought everything was fine and didn’t think to leave it out of the normal immunizations for medical reasons. Yes, he was a vaccine reaction, just as he was the first and 2nd time he had been given the Hep-B vaccine. It’s fairly evident that the Hep-B vaccine contributed to his death. Of course not everyone’s body is going to react to vaccines and medications exactly the same. I myself have a allergy to penicillin. Just because my Dr. may prescribe me penicillin or a derivative of it doesn’t mean I am going to take it. I know what happens when I take any form of penicillin, same thing applies here. Blaming the vaccination, which shouldn’t have been given in the first place if the parents had been paying attention, is about as logical as blaming the gun or bullets and not the criminal.

  • Al Mather

    Just the reality of what parents with autistic kids dealt with when interacting with the scammer “Dr.” Moulden.

  • Al Mather

    He wasn’t an MD.

  • nworder

    You’re shilling – blame the parents ? Blame the frigging pharma gangsters who force useless vaccines by bribing congress . A vaccine is like shooting a loaded gun into your kids – it will get them sooner or later.

    The doctors are mere pimps for vaccines and drugs .
    All vaccination is madness – no rationale to it .

  • Valerie Murfin

    Penicillin is a treatment for an active infection necessary for immediate health. Vaccines are for prevention, so not necessary for immediate health. I don’t see how the two equate. My daughter did call the Dr with each reaction, she was told it was normal, and to call back of the vomiting didn’t stop, the first two times it did. So if you want to lay blame, lay it at the feet of the medical establishment and doctors that dictate vomiting and diarrhea post vaccines is normal. You can not blame a 20 year old first time mother for listening to the erroneous advice of the Dr. She trusted. She sure knows better now, and you can rest assured that it will never happen again. No mother should have to bury their child as a result of a prophylactic treatment.

  • nworder

    When you look in the mirror Mather – you see a scammer
    – trolling disinfo and lies for cash . I would hate your way of life .

  • Matt Medlock

    It’s obvious you can’t see past your rage and need to put blame on something, which is understandable. I wasn’t comparing vaccines to penicillin, but rather showing that when I was a infant and was given penicillin and had a bad reaction to it, my parents made sure I never got it again, even though it was prescribed by a doctor multiple times after that first reaction. I agree no parent should have to bury their child, your daughter included. But blaming the vaccine and trying to persuade other parents to not get their children vaccinated is reckless and only puts more children at risk.

  • Matt Medlock

    Useless vaccines…. the CDC begs to differ. Saving 5 million lives annually from Smallpox, for example, would debunk your “useless” claim. Polio is another that is almost eradicated, which, without the vaccine, would kill around 400,000 people a year. In all, vaccines have brought seven major human diseases under some degree of control (Smallpox, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Yellow Fever, Whooping Cough, Polio, and Measles). Since these vaccines are so useless, as you say, when the whole “stop vaccinating your children” movement started, these diseases have started to make a come back. What changed? People started to stop getting children immunized. But like you said, they are useless right?

  • Al Mather

    There are NO studies..and can be NO studies. Lowell because NO “blood sludging caused by aluminum adjuvants, and the resulting cytokine activity of vaccines” is happening ! If it was these other things would be evident. Autopsies would show evidence of tissue damage and perivascular damage in the brains of autistic people. The other areas of the body would simultaneously be experiencing tissue damage and organs would be damaged. There would be elevated enzyme levels to be detected after vaccination. There are not. It’s BS Lowell. You desperately want to believe it I know because you worship this con man.

  • nworder

    The only risk is to vaccinate and vaccination puts children at risk of death or lifelong illness. I think you are an Al Mather identity clone – getting your cash from made up stories.

  • nworder

    Your invented propaganda vaccine “history” will not impress anyone – collect your cash and ……. off .

    Nutrition and sanitation stopped these diseases – they only make a comeback when they are vaccinated into
    a human body – as you would expect.

    VACCINES UNCENSORED :-

    “If vaccines are so effective in preventing disease why have epidemics occurred around the world following mass vaccination programs? In the Philippines for example, “after ten years of compulsory inoculation against smallpox (25 million shots) over 170,000 got smallpox and 75,000 deaths were recorded between 1911 and 1920″”from the Townsend Letter for Doctors article “Are Vaccines Generally Detrimental to the Human Defence System” Feb/Mar 1994

    “Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox ever after people received 24.5 million vaccine doses.”
    Dr. William Howard Hay, Address to Medicial Freedom Society, 6/25/37

    Polio never killed 400,000 a year – this is pure BS and you know it.

    “Smallpox was on the way out, indeed epidemics disappeared decades before the World Health Organization decided to conduct the final “eradication” campaign. It is also well-documented that the largest epidemics occurred in the most highly vaccinated populations, while the unvaccinated did not have the same epidemics.”

    Viera Scheibner, PhD, Scientific Researcher and Author

    Vaccines are worthless and give the very disease they
    are supposed to prevent .

  • Matt Medlock

    This coming from someone who has never seen or had to go through Measles or Smallpox, why? because vaccines have or are close to eradicating these diseases. Stick your head in the sand and continue with your conspiracy theories if you want, it is your right. But ignoring hard evidence is just plain ignorant.

  • nworder

    You worship pharma executives – licking their boots as you crawl around dead infants seeking a few bucks – at least when you were laying bricks you were doing an honest job

  • nworder

    I had all these diseases except smallpox and was never vaccinated – they were mild and were no more disabling than a cold – barely a day off school .

    There’s no conspiracy about evil corporations making a buck off death and illness – it is a fact of history.

    We had compulsory vaccination in Europe and it increased the diseases and death rates – that’s why a brave few stopped the madness.

    “The most phenomenal accomplishments in tuberculosis eradication have been achieved where little or no B.C.G. (vaccine) has been used, including in Iceland Hawaii and the Netherlands.

    British Medical Journal, 6/6/1959 ”

    “It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we ever vanquished smallpox with vaccines, when only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated.”

    Dr. Glen Dettman PhD, Australia

    “I have thought many times of all the insane things that we have advocated in medicine – one of the most insane – to insist on the vaccination of children or anybody else for the prevention of smallpox, when as a matter of fact, we are never able to prove vaccination saved one man from smallpox.”

    Dr. William Howard Hay (1866-1940), New York Practitioner

  • Al Mather

    I actually own a construction business Nwordy.. with employees and everything. I’m a tradesman and work with my hands. Which for me just reinforces what delusional idiots folks like you are for thinking anyone not rabid anti vax must be a Big Pharma shill.

  • Matt Medlock

    http://www.unicef.org/pon96/hevaccin.htm

    I’ll just leave this here so you can educate yourself. But let me guess, unicef is another conspiracy right. I’m sure you have some BS excuse as to why their information is flawed. Please stop responding if you can’t see past your ignorance and won’t even acknowledge the information provided for you.

  • Matt Medlock

    Now you are using information from the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s. You do realize it is 2015, or do you not believe in using the calendar as it conforms to society or some other BS.

  • Matt Medlock

    So you had Diphtheria, Tetanus, Yellow Fever, Whooping Cough, Polio, and Measles. You should be thankful you are alive. I love how you blow off diseases that have killed millions of people worldwide as “no more disabling than a cold.” Ask someone who was permanently paralyzed from Polio if it was worse than a cold, you ignorant muppet.

  • nworder

    VACCINATION IS AN EVIL SUPERSTION TO MAKE PROFIT FROM DEATH BY FIDDLING THE STATS

    “From the time in which smallpox was practically eradicated in the city of Manila, to the year 1918 (about nine years) in which the epidemic appears – certainly in one of its severest forms – hundreds after hundreds of thousands were yearly vaccinated, with the most unfortunate result that the 1918 epidemic looks, prima facie, as a flagrant failure of the classic immunization towards future Epidemics.
    “Report of the Public Health Service 1920 (discussing smallpox in Manila)

    “Since the passing of the Compulsory Vaccination Act in (Britain) 1853 we have had no less than three distinct epidemics. In 1857-9. We had more than 14,000 deaths from small pox. In the 1863-5 epidemic the deaths increased to 20,000 and in the 1871-2 they totaled up to 44,800.
    “Walter Hadwen MD, MRCS LRCP, LSA

  • nworder

    If you had a business you would not be shilling for a few bucks

  • nworder

    STILL HAPPENING – VACCINES GIVE YOU NON POLIO
    POLIO – LOL
    “In 2011 there were an extra 47500 new cases of NPAFP [non-polio acute flaccid paralysis]. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Through this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated.

  • Matt Medlock

    You just lost what little credibility you may have had. Continue to use seriously outdated information to support your conspiracy theory. I mean using info from the 1800’s now? Really?Why not go back tot he 1700’s, since it would be so relevant in 2015.

  • nworder

    Get polio by vaccines :-

    “national immunization campaigns were initiated in the 1950s, the number of reported cases of polio following mass inoculations with the killed-virus vaccine was significantly greater than before mass inoculations, and may have more than doubled in the U.S. as a whole.

    For example, Vermont reported 15 cases of polio during the one-year report period ending August 30, 1954 (before mass inoculations), compared to 55 cases of polio during the one-year period ending August 30, 1955 (after mass inoculations)– 266% increase.

    Rhode Island reported 22 cases during the before inoculations period as compared to 122 cases during the after inoculations period — 454% increase.

    In New Hampshire the figures increased from 38 to 129; in Connecticut they rose from 144 to 276; and in Massachusetts they swelled from 273 to 2027 — whopping 642% increase (Figure 2) [26:140;29:146;42].

    Figure 2. Cases of polio increased in the U.S. after mass inoculations

  • Matt Medlock

    All i can say is it is sad this day in age with information so easily available and accessible that there are still ignorant people like you. I am only thankful that you are in Europe, and your unvaccinated children won’t be any threat to mine. Enjoy life with your head in the sand little peon.

  • nworder

    You use information from the mad Dr Jenner who killed his son with smallpox vaccination -still taught in medical schools
    – right now.

  • Matt Medlock

    I love using people like you to debunk the whole Anti-Immunization movement. Nothing but ignorant conspiracy theorists.

  • Matt Medlock

    LoL what….. is it time for your meds or something? Who is Dr. Jenner?

  • Matt Medlock

    Unless you mean Dr. Edwin Jenner, from the walking dead, lol

  • nworder

    So you think the smallpox virus has learned how to
    ” behave ” – has it been “educated” with more knowledge – lol . You are a silly billy .

    “How is it that smallpox is five times as likely to be fatal in the vaccinated as in the unvaccinated? How is it that in some of our most highly vaccinated towns, smallpox is rife whilst in some of our most poorly vaccinated towns such as Leicester, it is almost unknown? How is it that something like 80% of the cases admitted into the Metropolitan Board Smallpox Hospital have been vaccinated, whilst only 20% have not been vaccinated.”Dr. L. Parry, British Medical Journal, 1/21/28

    “Millions of people died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated.”J. W. Hodge, ‘The Vaccine Superstition’

    “At present, intelligent people do not have their children vaccinated. The result is not, as the Jennerians prophesied the extermination of the human race by smallpox, on the contrary more people are now killed by vaccinations than by smallpox.”George Bernard Shaw, The Irish Times, 8/9/44

  • nworder

    If vaccines work how will your children be in danger from the unvaccinated ?????????

    You’re not even clever at trolling – get a real job and stop lying for a living .

    “I am convinced that 80% of these cancer deaths are caused by the smallpox vaccinations.”
    Dr. Herbert Snow, Surgeon, London Cancer Hospital

    “I have studied the question of vaccination conscientiously for 45 years…As a preventative of disease, there is not a scrap of evidence in its favour. The injection of virus into the bloodstream does not prevent smallpox, rather, it tends to increase its epidemics, and it makes the disease more deadly.”…Cancer mortality has increased from 9 per 100,000 or fully 900% increase within the past 50 years, and no conceivable thing could have caused this increase but the universal blood poisoning now existing.”
    Dr. Charles E. Page, Boston Practitioner

    “In looking over the history of vaccination for smallpox, I am amazed to learn of the terrible deaths from vaccination which necessitated amputation of arms and legs and caused tetanus…and cerebro-spinal meningitis.”
    Dr. R.C. Carter, Practitioner, ‘Vaccines: Are They Really Safe & Effective’, Neil Miller

  • Matt Medlock

    Again, using information from the 20’s and 40’s when technology hadn’t surpassed much beyond speculation and here-say. I am done entertaining your clearly delusional mind. Keep living in the past and ignore things like technology, and advances in medicine. Again, you are in Europe, and I am thankful for that.

  • Al Mather

    Exactly idiot.

  • Matt Medlock

    Leaving the 1920-1940 dates off doesn’t make your information any less valid moron.

  • nworder

    You’re making a crap of a job if you are “using me ” lol

    “There can be no doubt that vaccination was a definite causal factor and no chance coincidence” Data confirming encephalomyelitis following smallpox vaccination.”Lancet, September & October 1926

    “It is now accepted that the risks of routine smallpox vaccination outweigh those of natural infection.”British Medical Journal 1/5/76

    “Immunization against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself.”Ari Zuckerman, Advisory Panel, World Health Organization

    “Primary smallpox immunization of persons with subclinical HIV disease poses a risk of vaccine-induced disease and multiple immunizations may accelerate the progress of HIV disease. This case raises concern about the ultimate safety of vaccinia-based vaccine in developing countries…”New England Journal of Medicine, March 12, 1987

  • Al Mather

    http://onibasu.com/archives/am/239085.html This should link to the discussion where they get his price break down.At these prices he only needs to snag 1 or 2 and his efforts have paid off handsomely.

  • Matt Medlock

    LoL this is entertaining. You really think you have a point. Oh, you used info from ’87, still not relevant, but getting close.

  • nworder

    He is the “father” of vaccination as you well know , who started killing people by injecting them with pus from diseased cows – how strange that they died – not .

    He pretended to be a doctor but faked his qualifications .

    “In regions in which there is no organized vaccination of the population, general paralysis is rare…”JAMA, July 1926

    “Around the turn of the 20th century, people began reporting paralytic illness AFTER the smallpox vaccination. By the 1920s, infantile paralysis (later renamed polio) began to emerge as an important new disease that often afflicted the limb that had been vaccinated. And later when…vaccines gained widespread use, illness and paralytic episodes following vaccination became common knowledge…”

    Edda West, Polio Perspectives, Vaccine Risk Awareness Network

    “One soldier… told me that the army hospitals were filled with cases of infantile paralysis and he wondered why a grown man should have an infant disease. Now, we know that paralysis is a common after-effect of vaccine Poisoning. those at home didn’t get the paralysis until after the world-wide vaccination campaign in 1918.

    “Eleanor McBean PhD, author of ‘The Poisoned Needle’

    A study published in 1992 validated earlier findings. Children who received DPT injections were significantly more likely than controls to get paralytic poliomyelitis within the next 30 days…”This study confirmed that injections are an important cause of provocative poliomyelitis.”

    Sutter R.W., et al ‘Attributable paralytic poliomyelitis during a large outbreak in Oman’ Journal of Infectious Disease 1992; 165:444-9

  • Matt Medlock

    I am done with this. Its fairly obvious you are in fanatical opposition to vaccines. When this same thing happens to your kids, or their kids, don’t cry… its your fault.

  • nworder

    The supposed ” rationale” has not changed thats why Jenner’s theory is still taught in 2015 – producing more and more walking dead and work for shills like you.

    “From 1923 to 1953 before the Salk killed virus vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the United States and England had already declined on its own by 47% and 55% respectively.
    International Mortality Statistics

    “Official data shows that large scale vaccination has failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection.”
    Dr. Albert Sabin, Developer of the Oral Polio vaccine

    “Prior to 1954 any physician who reported paralytic poliomyelitis was doing his patient a service by way of subsidizing the cost of hospitalization… two examinations at least twenty-four hours apart was all that was required… In 1955 the criteria were changed …residual paralysis was determined ten to twenty days after onset of illness and again fifty to seventy days after onset…This change In definition meant that in 1955, we started reporting a new disease… Furthermore, diagnostic procedures have continued to be Re-defined.

    Cocksackie virus infections and aseptic meningitis have been distinguished from poliomyelitis…Thus simply in the Change of diagnosis criteria, the number of paralytic cases was pre-deterrmined to decrease.”

    Dr. Bernard Greenberg, Chairman of the Committee on Evaluation & Standards of The American Policy Health Association during 1950s testifying before Congressional Hearings, 1962

  • Mkcastillo

    The body is meant to fight his own battles if taken care of properly. I have six children and they were treated for whooping cough as well which I must say wasn’t all that bad. Parents if taking care of their children properly will speak help before such sicknesses become a problem. To each their own no one should be forced to vaccinate. If your child is vaccinated then you have not worry about mine getting good your sick if the vaccines do as they say…..enough said.

  • nworder

    America has the highest infant death rate in the developed nations and many undeveloped nations – the death rate relates clearly to the number of childhood vaccines with America the highest at 50 – 60 jabs by age 6. America is the sickest country in every area with the highest ” health” spending.

    You dont want to be in California with young babies .

    Washington post :-

    “The United States has a higher infant mortality rate than any of the other 27 wealthy countries, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control.

    A baby born in the U.S. is nearly three times as likely to die during her first year of life as one born in Finland or Japan. That same American baby is about twice as likely to die in her first year as a Spanish or Korean one.

    Despite healthcare spending levels that are significantly higher than any other country in the world, a baby born in the U.S. is less likely to see his first birthday than one born in Hungary, Poland or Slovakia. Or in Belarus. Or in Cuba, for that matter.

    The U.S. rate of 6.1 infant deaths per 1,000 live births masks considerable state-level variation. If Alabama were a country, its rate of 8.7 infant deaths per 1,000 would place it slightly behind Lebanon in the world rankings. Mississippi, with its 9.6 deaths, would be somewhere between Botswana and Bahrain.

    We’re the wealthiest nation in the world. How did we end up like this? ”

    VACCINATION IS WHAT DID IT !

    VACCINATION UNCENSORED :-
    “After vaccination was introduced, cases of aseptic meningitis were reported as a separate disease from polio, but such were counted as polio before the vaccine was introduced. The Ministry of Health admitted that the vaccine status of the individual is a guiding factor in diagnosis…If a person who is vaccinated contracts the disease, the disease is simply recorded under a different name…Those who contracted polio after the first inoculation were placed on the non-inoculatedlist…It’s obvious that this practice of screening statistics, apparently in order to suppress facts unfavourable to immunization, invalidates most of the evidence brought forward by the supporters of immunization.”

    Maurice Meadow Bayly MRCS, LRCP, ‘The Case Against Vaccination’

  • nworder

    1997 – YOU BOZO

    “In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, the developer of the killed-virus vaccine testified that the live virus vaccine was “the principal if not the sole” cause of polio in the U.S. since 1961”
    Washington Post 9/ 24/76

    “According to the CDC, 133 people contracted polio between 1980 and 1994. A total of 125 of those cases or an average of eight per year were caused directly by the oral polio vaccine, which consists of a live but weakened virus, the CDC said.”
    Associated Press, 1/ 20/97

  • nworder

    My kids are fine and healthy – it is the vaccinated that are
    sick – it is witchcraft to put 100 toxins and known and unknown into your children – if you have any .

    “When WHO officials discovered a polio outbreak in Nigeria was sparked by the polio vaccine itself they assumed it would be easier to stop than the natural “wild” virus. They were wrong…The virus in the vaccine can mutate into a deadlier version that ignites new outbreaks.”

    ‘Polio Surge in Nigeria after Vaccine Virus Mutates’ Associated Press, 8/14/09 (also see: Vaccines: Helping or Harming The Third World)

  • pathologist

    My voice, fight on lovely parents and grandparents, yes people get paid by Merck, to write nasty stuff, they have a whole damn department to discredit doctors who tell the truth…… ignore them………..no onw in Merck, has ever managed to create a deparmtnent to silence gramdmas, and grandads!.. you are doing a wonderful job makiing people aware,. I lost a child, I understand…………….fight on, every small voice, one day may be a whole chorus! Merck dont know how to silence those they can not PAY OFF!!

  • pathologist

    ?????????????????????? WTF?????? YOU ANALYSE EVERYTHING TO DISCREDIT THOSE GRIEVING? WHY? you get paid per post also dont you Matt,,,,,,,,,,, how can you do this, get paid for crap, getting paid per post by by big pharma………. do you have kids, do you one day want to have kids? remember Karma comes around./ How absurd and ignorant, and horrible can you be? all for money……

  • pathologist

    Matt Medlock…………..How can you sell your soul to the devil for payment?
    Karma comes around……………….

  • pathologist

    And hope you are awake, to say, no penicillin! ?Damn I was not awake to say, NO VALIUM!

  • pathologist

    Thats OK she died for the benefit of Merck profit…………you Matt are abhorrent inhumane, and downright a troll!~

  • pathologist

    I agree, dont the trolls sound the same? how much do they get paid per post, ? First they give a little bit of information,m then others give more information, that they cant disagree with, then they start saying crap, like ÿou cnt see past your rage”” I never read any rage……. next this Matt Medlock, will start outright abuse……….. hilarious!

  • pathologist

    Matt you hilarious! keep posting, keeps us wise people , very amused…….. polio a dead disease, except when you start vaccinating………… pertussis now spreads to babies, by fully vaccinated mothers, with NO SYMPTOMS (yes mothers murdering their own babies, wow Merck!). measles spread by those vaccinated for measles, mumps vaccine lasts two years, wow! Yes Matt you are hilarious! You are stage three of trolling, your idiot comments are proven worthless, so now the abuse begins……… luv it! It is hilarious!

  • pathologist

    Luv reading you comments! Go Matt go, let rip! ignorant conspiracy theoriists,. yep definitely stage three level, cant fight back with commonsense, and real references, stage three is intimidation, abuse………. bullshit…… keep going! luv it!

  • pathologist

    hahah luv it! cant fight the references, so just abuse, luv it!

  • pathologist

    nworder and matt medlock…………..two damn pharma trolls, abhorrent!~ how can you do this,???? a page for a poor dead baby,,,,,,,,,,, how can you dare use this to get statistics for damn Merck!

  • pathologist

    RIP little man, fight on parents,let the truth be known…. how low can Merck damn go?

  • Al Mather

    Back at it Ang?

  • Al Mather

    Adjust your meds Ang… nworder is a pharma troll like you are a Pathologist.

  • pathologist

    I had measles, my kids had measles, they loved the damn week of school, and the spots! never hurt them, never hurt me./
    Samllpox? there aint no smallpox., did you see smallpox in your life?> DO TELL! and while you keep taling to yourself Matt Medlock and nworder, I laugh out loud!! you are hilarious!

  • pathologist

    just damn talk to yourself, dont post to yourself, as nworder, it is damn embarrassing!

  • pathologist

    for gods sake, just talk to your other alter ego, dont need to post the crap………………

  • pathologist

    again, juist dont bother to post, as you the same persoin, sure you can communicate without facebook?

  • pathologist

    omg talking to himself again?”

  • pathologist

    talking to himself again? hello??? dont need facebook to talk to yourself???? hello??

  • pathologist

    how the hell can someoone talk to themself, via facebook for what four hours??? amazing!

  • pathologist

    hahah caught you out, abuse, luv it, you been talking to yourself for four damn hours, luv it!

  • pathologist

    hahah luv it, talk to yourself, and all your alter egos………. hilarious! go for it !!!!!

  • Al Mather

    Ang..don’t you ever get embarrassed for yourself? Click on Nworders name…see his profile? See the 5 years of virulent ANTI VAX trolling and the 7000+ comments.

  • pathologist

    OK you hilarious……. ?Al you are so ridiculous………… I say nothing, I just laugh, you made my day…….. So you dont lilke your other self, hilarious!

  • pathologist

    oh no reply? you stunned, that someone knows all your aliases? hilarious!

  • pathologist

    who the hell is ang?

  • pathologist

    rofl xxx you just made my day!!!!!!!! who the hell is ang?

  • Al Mather

    No you’re right Nworder is a Big Pharma troll employed by Merck … I don’t think you’ll ever stop him from doing Merck’s bidding. But you can try.I say go for it!

  • nworder

    Sad people doing a sad job – it will eventually affect them mentally since they know they are trying to deceive – once
    america demands all adults get the 200 vaccines in the pipeline in a catch up program as planned – Al Mather , his dog and Matt will be scarpering to a foreign country .

  • putinme

    Culture of Death AND Money. Not an accident, totally known, all part of the plan to dehumanize and destroy society by those who run the megastructures. The banks, the media, the news.

  • putinme

    Forget it, he’s a troll. He doesn’t have any science on his hands to retort the facts how dangerous vaccines are from their own medical establishment. And he’s here making fun of a dead child and their family because of this cultish religion of vaccines. Please go vaccinate your children 1000 times so they can be so healthy since vaccine scause no harm.

    Just let him go off with his hatred and his conspiracy theory that vaccines are 100% safe and 100% effective which is contradicted, again, by the medical estabishment.

    You can’t argue with cult members. He’s a supporter of abortion so this is all good to him. Let him hate, it’s what they do best. Culture of death.

  • MOLLY29

    What you say does make sense and it is so true about the exttinction of many species of animals. The geo-engineers have and are destroying the planet. You cannot play God with weather manipulation and expect life to survive hence all the bird, fish die offs and many other animal species as well due to the poisoning of the seas, lakes, soil, The oil industy and mining industries are also to blame for the terrible destruction they have caused with their tailing ponds, spills, fracking, and the leeching of toxic materials into our waterways etc. the list goes on and on but they are trying to blame us with the big lie of CO2 which is part of the life cycle Al Gore is a proven liar and the science is junk and not been proven. Blaming us for breathing because we exhale CO2 is perposterous. Without CO2 all life DIES on earth. I think it is too late for mankind….too many fools and brainwashed dupes. Just look at some of the inane comments here to see how uneducated some of the people are and it is scary. The same ones denying everything are either paid trolls or dupes that never read a book or research anything, but they have opiinions about everything and they are worthless.

  • MOLLY29

    If you had ever done any CREDIBLE research you would know that vaccines have NEVER BEEN PROVEN TO WORK…..Bought and paid for science has backed up this pseudo-science and money can buy anything even “belief in BS”

  • Valerie Murfin

    Rage? I have more control over my emotions than that. I am educated and aware. I will keep sharing this story as exactly what it was a adverse vaccine reaction. Sebastian’s death was an unnecessary result from vaccines. Say what you wish. Your opinion matters not all at all to me. Your arguments are weak, and all you can do is attack a young mother for following her Dr about vaccines. Exactly what your are pushing so hard for. Fortunately with 10,000 shares so far, the message IS getting out there, and soon your job attacking people affected by vaccines will be over. Good luck with that.

  • Doctor Jack

    Agreed. I have been studying/researching healthful living for over 25 years and have put in at least 25,000 hours doing so. I have a fine tuned BS detector which can distinguish truth from the other stuff. I may not like some of the truths I come across but at least I don’t go into denial about same. I have assisted many people in recovering better health and take pride in doing so. There are those here that would have to be employed by the bad guys because they just couldn’t be that stupid and insensitive on their own like “Al” and “Mat”.
    They are the worst of the worst of humanity.

  • MOLLY29

    You are a troll for Merck and othert so just GFY. You are pathetic.

  • Valerie Murfin

    Can you site sources for the 5 million that are saved annually? More than that receive vaccines. So I would imagine you could up that exponentially, if it were true, I mean there are7 billion people on the planet. Yellow fever? I haven’t even heard of that one in this county, small pox vaccines are no longer given, isn’t that back there in the past that you were just talking against. With the exception on diphtheria, I had measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox as did all my peers, I’m alive, and have lifelong immunity. I wonder how man could have possibly made it this long without the vaccines of the last 70 years or so.

  • Al Mather

    My bad. Thought you were this strange woman nobody ever interacted with …who used to get all drugged up on anti depressants and come on Disqus barely making sense. Telling tall tales. My mistake .. you have similar punctuation styles.

  • MOLLY29

    The vaccines quite often give the person the disease it is supposed to prevent. Many people/dupes I know took the shingles vaccine and got shingles a few weeks later. I told them not to get the vaccine but they did anyway and regretted it. One of the people was a doctor friend of mine and he now sees the other side and has been reading the doctors/scientists studies and books that have been disputing the effacy of vaccines and now realizes what a scam it has been. He retired early because of the scam the medical industry is in many ways. Not all ways, traumas they are good at and we need doctors for that but the treatment of disease especially chronic is a scam because they just maintain the disease with their drugs and keep the person sick until they finally die of it but they make lots of $$$$ during the treatment span. Pure Evil.

  • MOLLY29

    You haven’t read a thing about any of these facts and you have the nerve to post here. Its proven that as far back at the 40’s scientists were exposing the fraud associated with vaccines. TROLL OFF, YOU SHILL

  • MOLLY29

    I have read all about the polio/Salk/Sabin/ era of vaccines and it is true the disease Polio was on its way out as was TB (tuberculosis). The companies just used and manipulated the science to push the vaccines as the cause of the reduction in Polio and TB. There were seeing the $$$$$ and it worked because the vaccine industry is worth Hundreds of Billions of $$$ today. What a successful scam for these chemical corporations all at the expense of human health. They have many deaths to atone for.

  • MOLLY29

    You have done good research, I am impressed. I have read about what you are posting so I know you know what you are talking about unlike the Troll.

  • MOLLY29

    This really bothers me: You state that because some childrent are unvaccinated they are a threat to your vaccinated children. Why would that be??? If vaccination works then you have nothing to fear from people that are unvaccinated….because they the un vaccinated are the only ones in peril, if you believe the BS. You should have nothing to worry about because YOU ARE VACCINATED.

  • MOLLY29

    Where did you get your information from?? Oh that’s right from the drug companies themselves as they do their own testing and the FDA and CDC approves it. Nice huh. Kind of like putting the “fox in charge of the henhouse”. This is the kind of corruption involved in this vaccine BS. Your info is pure BS CRAP, Merck drivel for profit.

  • MOLLY29

    “Belief in Immunization is a form of delusional insanity”
    Dr. Herbert Shelton, USA

  • MOLLY29

    Do the research you idiot, it goes back that far, that is how little you know…..vaccines started in Europe much before the USA and the Salk/Sabin BS. There is a long history pushing this pseudo-science and Europe figured it out before North America that there are alot of lies and manipulated data therein.

  • shotofhealth

    I wish I could do more than just send kind words Valerie, but I promise you that where I live I am also researching vaccines and trying to get the truth out there so that people can make informed decisions. You are so right, where there is a risk, there must be a choice. The tragedy is that people are not seeing that there IS a choice. The Centre for the Death of Citizens is ensuring that the truth is squashed. But the internet is alive with the truth, however it needs an open mind to see it and to act upon it.

    Wishing you love and peace xx

  • shotofhealth

    To all those who think that vaccines eradicated disease, please explain this graph and explain why diseases like typhoid and scarlet fever were virtually eradicated at the same time but there were no vaccines. And no, anti-biotics did not get rid of them either. http://www.dissolvingillusions.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/G11.12-US-Flu-TB-2-1900-1965.png

    Also, please explain how deaths from measles was 98% and 99% down in the UK and USA at the point when the measles vaccine was introduced. See this graph : http://www.dissolvingillusions.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/G11.6-US-Measles-1900-19871.png

  • MOLLY29

    And you….you TROLL aka Al Mater/etc you KNOW NOTHING!!!!! AND IT IS PROOF BY YOUR UNSUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATIONS. Pure BS

  • MOLLY29

    Well said. This information you have provided is stellar. Thank you.

  • MOLLY29

    He is a troll Lowell, we should stop wasting our time with him and his aliases.

  • Looks to me like nworder is antivaccine, so how would he or she be a pharma troll? How do you reply to nworders accusation that you are one and the same as alias no identity, Donald Monty? Or do you just sit in vaccine shilling assigned cubicles across from each other? From the looks of your posts here, it appears that you have now entirely lost your mind?

  • What??? And who are you employed by, and as if you are not a shill? I vote this reply post that you just made here, as the MOST mindless reply post, ever on vactruth.

  • Who is Ang? You mean your buddy, Argus? Is he in the next cubicle to you, mad and frustrated again, because he has again been banned from vactruth, and needs to create another character name and to find a way to again re-circumvent the controls here on the site? Imagine that. He and I go way back to 2009, reply post arguing on vaccines. I’ve heard he is an in denial, pharmacist.

  • Even if vaccines in regard to efficacy worked as advertised, and they clearly do not; the CDC and FDA have a DUTY to the parents and the public to present with the real vaccine risk truth, and as to the very real risk of vaccines. If they ever did that, they would be finished, and they know it. The liability as to what they have really known and all along, and as to how they knowingly covered it up; that liability for them would alone be massive; and they know that as well. Just the FDA and CDC’s liability alone for the for profit fiasco of approving Gardasil, and then another dangerous and at times deadly Gardail 9; just the admission to that alone would plant the seed and the spotlight on vaccine contamination, that they would never recover from again, and as to their level of actual credibility, and as to their responsibility in regard to protecting the public.

  • You had measles, OH MY? Such a deadly illness. I had measles too; and so did my brother, and even though we were vaccinated for it. Measles actually helps prime the immune system correctly, so you can avoid chronic illnesses and cancer later in life. Just the opposite of what the corrupt pharma connected junk science studies have attempted to claim to. You had small pox? Really? How did that go, tell me? And what does the REAL historical evidence show us and that was recorded by even doctors and nurses that lived at the time, and were honest enough to have recorded their account of it? Have you read any of that, or do you just consider it all a conspiracy theory, and stick you nose back into all the false and unverified vaccine propaganda that we have been fed?

  • Most of the people who had polio had a mild illness and recovered. Instead of asking where polio went, perhaps you should ask where larger scale spraying of DDT, and whole scale removal of tonsils went? North Carolina in the day removed consumption of sugar in the public’s diet for a time, and polio almost dropped out of site. Introduced it again, and polio cases reappeared. That should say something for holistic protocols in the prevention of illness. You know just like the homeopaths and chiropractor’s cured the 1918 flu in thousands of individuals, and all while the standard big pharma based medical model had their patients dying like flies. But that’s all just another conspiracy theory in your mind, right; and it never happened.

  • I know; it would be easier to just let him continue to munch on the sheeple grass alone, and die off.

  • I worked to hard on it, for it not to be; thank you.

  • And what does the standard medical model charge for similar procedures and consultation, you dummy? Likely may times more than that, and for the entire process. What do their most expensive drugs cost, you hypocrite? Again the writing as well is not a verification, but all written hear say.

    That hating autism page is a old and been around longer spreading misinformation on the issue, than anything else that has been around. Moulden had all of the training he needed, and in obviously multiple areas of expertise, and which fully qualified to do what he was researching and as well what he was putting forth. He determined that he was not going to complete his drug prescribing regimine and residency, and as far as his completion of his medical licensing degree. That because he seen how wrong it all was. He did not need to complete that to acquire work with the expertise and intended field of research and diagnosis that he had intended to be in. He did the right thing; and the only thing he could do.

  • No, other areas of the body would NOT necessarily be experiencing visible simultaneous tissue, and nor organ damage. The autopsies looking for that specific vascular damage in the fine end microvascular territories of the brain, simply have not been done, within the operative of standard medical model. They would in the majority of cases, not even know what they should be looking for. You have provided again zero explanation and nor evidence for that there would be elevated enzyme levels, as evidence of this said and specific physiological outcome, and within the brain.

    How much of your honesty and mentality is entirely missing when you claim to that if any neurologists seen and knew this after experiencing one of his seminars, that they would be speaking out? None of them will speak out on the subject and within their so called professional circles, and because they know that would effectively end their career; and to continue to do so. How far under a large still in denial rock, do you and your mind live? Actually he did have large files on his research; and as well a large file of those pictures; all of it explained with a full and irrefutable physiologically based explanation. Where that is today; who knows. He has been dead less than two years; and he did not kill himself, he was obviously murdered. .

    As well quite obviously he was involved with the federal vaccine court, and two cases especially come to mind, that of Benjamin Zeller, which he was involved in, and as well this case.

    REDACTED VACCINE DEATH FORENSICS REPORT
    Baby M’s Parents,

    Petitioners
    Vs.
    Secretary of Health and Human Services,
    Respondent
    Preliminary Neurobehavioral/Forensics Report: Baby M, a minor.

    Dr Andrew Moulden BA, MA, MD, PhD April 30, 2009
    Vaccine Injury Coalition
    Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA 33410

    http://www.vacfacts.info/baby-ms-parents-vaccine-death-forensics-report.html

    Listen CLOSELY, you in denial, fool!

    Vaccine used in children causing brain damage

    Boca Raton father, Ben Zeller, says his son, Ben, Jr., was a normal 11-month-old when he received the Measles, Mump and Rubella shot in November of 2004. Within days, he had a complete febral seizure. “This was a reaction to the MMR shot, there is no doubt in my mind,” Zeller said. Zeller was one of the first to prove his case in the Federal Vaccine Court. Last July, the court ruled his son would not have experienced the seizure if it weren’t for the MMR vaccine. “We have thousands of cases and we can show all vaccines are causing the exact same problem,” said Dr. Andrew Moulden, M.D., a Canadian physician gathering evidence to support a class action lawsuit..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du2O4N58zRQ

    https://detenganlavacuna.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/moulden3.jpg

    http://s1.dmcdn.net/AGa-0/526×297-i-a.jpg

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    https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=799&q=images+for+ischemia+dr+andrew+moulden&oq=images+for+ischemia+dr+andrew+moulden&gs_l=img.3…3733.12806.0.13249.37.14.0.23.0.0.151.1245.0j11.11.0….0…1ac.1.64.img..27.10.1129.U8hnL4IO6pA#tbm=isch&tbs=rimg%3ACYT49WXwh1YBIjjGTjHuqYDGoZdqFD8DYL-S6fvMHlTNiYSYVS6ilOP3tSS6zlfqE8dHr84xGFpBvvFgceTE4v3GiCoSCcZOMe6pgMahEVPKWGNUS3J6KhIJl2oUPwNgv5IR_1WK3fJeHth8qEgnp-8weVM2JhBESP0gCepgf8ioSCZhVLqKU4_1e1EZrf8CAMZd3kKhIJJLrOV-oTx0cRWXKJl9RXafoqEgmvzjEYWkG-8RGHwA1kcSy1ASoSCWBx5MTi_1caIEY-pTxWLPijK&q=images%20for%20ischemia%20dr%20andrew%20moulden

    https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=799&q=images+for+ischemia+dr+andrew+moulden&oq=images+for+ischemia+dr+andrew+moulden&gs_l=img.3…3733.12806.0.13249.37.14.0.23.0.0.151.1245.0j11.11.0….0…1ac.1.64.img..27.10.1129.U8hnL4IO6pA#tbm=isch&tbs=rimg%3ACbMt6WoFmcKPIjgILnH4Pzr_1GWJP_1mvZZbvyLVcHX2R_1xlNKFzg1e-51GHM5z22RZlls7tS4QtNRWLxOGFRib6BsVioSCQgucfg_1Ov8ZETBXTkJpBx_1DKhIJYk_1-a9llu_1IROuYSRi9gIQcqEgktVwdfZH_1GUxHNInjxmjWBIioSCUoXODV77nUYEQk9ofBqszmIKhIJcznPbZFmWWwReLQlno2ECNgqEgnu1LhC01FYvBG3sb28Do1RjSoSCU4YVGJvoGxWERMxMJjAzRwT&q=images%20for%20ischemia%20dr%20andrew%20moulden

    Vaccines cause brain damage — United States vs. Zeller
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgUnHdn1ZhM

  • I already explained that; and you should already understand the reasoning. .

    Where is the evidence for the correlating increased level of enzymes?

  • I see a bunch of alleged hearsay trash, and even at that, it is not inclusive of anything that the standard medical model as far as pricing, is not doing themselves. As I said. Your hypocrisy is like a horrible disease. Hopefully with the now nearly 300 vaccines in the pipeline, they will soon as well have a vaccine for your disorder. They can call it the obsessive hypocrisy disorder vaccine. A drug, a vaccine? You need, something. “Praise big pharma, and all you sheeple still munching on the false pharmacy grass”.

  • Your welcome to any information I have. That is why I am here.

  • Tids1960

    You might want to ask this as well…

    Why is the United States “Licensed” in a Measles strain ?

    Today, the only strain licensed in the United States is the more attenuated, live Ender’s Edmonston strain (Moraten strain) (CDC, 1998).

  • That article is another fictional paid off scam, presented by charlatans withing the vaccine industry. That is not the first sham article that we have read. How does the pertussis vaccine protect infants and the unvaccinated; when that resent baboon studied has shown that the vaccinated can and still do spread the pathogen when actively challenged with pertussis in their environment, and even though remaining asymptomatic? How is pertussis vaccine so protective when it is known that the vaccine has increased the incidence of B parapertussis, which is similar, but not in the vaccine?

    Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model
    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/11/20/1314688110.abstract

    Nonhuman Primate Model of Pertussis

    Our results demonstrate that the baboon provides an excellent model of clinical pertussis that will allow researchers to investigate pertussis pathogenesis and disease progression, evaluate currently licensed vaccines, and develop improved vaccines and therapeutics.

    http://iai.asm.org/content/80/4/1530.full​

    Pertussis Vaccine Study Shatters Illusion of Vaccine-Induced Immunity
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/12/10/whooping-cough-pertussis-vaccine.aspx

    Acellular pertussis vaccination enhances B. parapertussis colonization, (B parapertussis is of course not in the current vaccine)

    An acellular whooping cough vaccine actually enhances the colonization of Bordetella parapertussis in mice; pointing towards a rise in B. parapertussis incidence resulting from acellular vaccination, which may have contributed to the observed increase in whooping cough over the last decade.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20200027

    Immunized People Getting Whooping Cough
    http://www.kpbs.org/news/2014/jun/12/immunized-people-getting-whooping-cough/

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • That explains it, you have lost your mind. Now you can tell who people are by their punctuation; and they just have to be the worst person that you can think of who ever posted with discus. I think you made it up, and it is you that is drugged, out of your mind, and telling tall tales.

  • [After his first hep B shot was given two days after birth, he got diarrhea and had a fever.]

    [After Sebastian received his second hepatitis B vaccine, along with the other two month vaccines, his mom had gone to Six Flags as a treat from her friends and Sebastian’s dad called her saying he was very lethargic and had a fever. Sebastian’s dad Jeff gave him medicine and watched him like a hawk, as he seemingly got better.] And was there not a doctor that gave medical attention to get that said medicine; or was it just Tylenol that alone is known to cause harm to the liver; in fact it has caused liver failure in adults. Tylenol is as well the something you should ever give for a vaccine reaction.

    Glutathione, Tylenol, Vaccine Adverse Reactions, and ASD
    http://www.vacfacts.info/glutathione-tylenol-vaccine-adverse-reactions-and-asd.html

    These are all to common reactions to vaccines, and as they are trained, obviously few doctors would have believed those to be indications for stopping the Hep B vaccine, much more all vaccines. You should know that. So why would you expect this mother and grandmother to have the and that knowledge that a severe and life threatening reaction would happen after the next set of vaccines, to include the Hep B vaccine? Especially liver failure; and you think they should have known that? Really? You blame them, instead of the Hep B vaccine, and the five vaccines the child received? Five vaccines obviously contain a load and lot of toxicity, by the way.

    You admit that the Hep B vaccine likely killed this child; but yet you falsely blame the parents, and the grandmother. You do that instead of blaming the doctor, (a Pediatrician in this case), and the dangerous toxicity of vaccines. You are disgusting; and I think you rightfully should just delete your comments, and leave.

  • nworder

    He’s spending his filthy trolling lucre on whisky to dull his conscience

  • Al Mather

    Whatever,Lowell. This is STILL exactly what I claimed. Moulden weasels his way into a discussion group, touts his credentials to the point some people get suspiscious..dangles some miracle…never quite says what it is,hint,hint… finally it starts to come out he’s offering nothing but cheesy snakeoil scam.. charging just to look at pictures you email. $2500. just to look at pics and give you a call with his “diagnosis”. $10,000. for his all natural “Fix My Brain” regimen.

  • Al Mather

    In case you hadn’t noticed Lowell ..I said I was obviously mistaken. And you’re right Ang was the worst person ever to post on Disqus. BTW I didn’t mention vaccines at all or tell any tales so you might want to scale back on your meds a bit Mister.

  • Al Mather

    Why not Lowell? There are tiny vascular areas throughout the body and all the organ tissue. There would be eleveated enzyme levels and indication of tissue damage throughout the body if this “blood sludging” were actually occurring. Why do you think it wouldn’t?
    If these ischemic events were happening in the brain they would show up on MRIs.MRIs are commonly employed when looking at the brain for cognitive changes.
    http://www.netwellness.org/healthtopics/brainattack/svidmri.cfm

  • Al Mather

    I never claimed any medical education. You are mistaken. Yet again. Musical education yes. Which explains my being in construction.

  • Al Mather

    What are you blathering about Lowell??If you are going to constantly butt in post at least try to have them stay on topic and be coherent.

  • nworder

    So you play the guitar to your workers as they lay the bricks and cement ?

  • nworder

    Even if what you say was true and I would not trust your word on anything – Andrew was not killing and maiming millions worldwide with vaccines and making a packet as these druggie executives do knowingly and the shareholders – it is holocaust of death and illhealth for infants , youth and adults for profit and they are going to force this toxic regime on everyone in america – including
    dupes like you and your offspring .
    I mean you’re picking up cash for spreading dirt on parents bereaved by these pharma gangsters – how low are you compared to Andrew – he would not have been bumped off unless he was telling truth.

  • shotofhealth

    Good question Tids! I didn’t know that – do they ‘licence’ these strains for vaccines only then? Why do they licence them? The same goes for several Ebola strains doesn’t it?

  • Katia

    That first graph shows deaths, not incidence. Your woo is a liar, she figures no one will actually look at the labels.

    Typhoid is one of the few diseases that clean water helped decrease. Scarlet Fever DEATHS decreased for the same reason measles deaths decreased, better supportive care. The death rate for Scarlet Fever was always fairly low, as well.

  • shotofhealth

    Thanks Lowell! What do you have in your files on the discrepancies between deaths and incidence in diseases (mortality and morbidity)? As far as I understand it, deaths from various diseases decreased steadily due to improved sanitation etc and presumably the incidence (morbidity) decreased as well. Although mostly benign, self-limiting diseases like measles didn’t disappear, their potentially devastating effects did. It seems that those who support vaccines love to quote how many lives vaccines have saved but when one points out that the death rate was already radically reduced at the point of the introduction of the vaccine then they come back at you with figures that the disease was still rampant until vaccines came along. My point is what is wrong with children going through childhood diseases if there are virtually zero deaths/complications?

  • shotofhealth

    I’m not sure what point you are making Katia, except that I understand that most diseases were reduced (and deaths reduced) due to better sanitation and cleaner water. One can’t say it was just Typhoid that clean water helped – that doesn’t make sense at all. Yes, I understand there is a difference between mortality and morbidity but if the prevalance of a disease doesn’t cause death or complications, such as measles in a developed society, what is the problem? So are you saying that measles deaths DIDN’T decrease because of vaccines? If so, I totally agree with you.

  • Katia

    Your understanding is incorrect. SOME diseases were reduced by better sanitation and cleaner water. SOME. May diseases are airborne, so these improvements did not affect their incidence. Measles, mumps, rubella, flu are all examples of airborne diseases. Polio, oddly, INCREASED as sanitation, etc improved. No one has ever offered a proven explanation of why this happened. The death rate from measles dropped due to better supportive care for patients with measles, ditto Scarlet Fever deaths, which were never that high. After antibiotic use became more common in the 1950s, Scarlet Fever incidence dropped because SF is caused by the streptococcus bacteria that causes “strep throat”.

    Measles vaccine did decrease the number of deaths due to measles, from about 450/year pre-vaccine (prior to 1963) to zero most years since 2000 when it was declared eliminated from the US.

  • shotofhealth

    Thanks for your answer. Please explain exactly how “better supportive care” reduced the death rate from Measles? To the point that deaths were down 98% and 99% in the US and UK respectively when the vaccines were introduced? It’s totally disingenuous for vaccines to take the credit for the reduction in measles death when it was on a massive decline anyway! Antibiotic use was introduced AFTER the deaths from Scarlet Fever dropped.

    Flu is a prime example of how vaccines will never eradicate a disease – the virus just keeps mutating. The flu virus causes more complications than it purportedly solves. The ‘flu vaccine is a massive, massive con. Just like the HPV vaccine…..

  • Robo

    Katia is what’s known as a shill. Look it up.

  • Katia

    Re: measles-Supportive care, e.g. IVs, oxygen if you get pneumonia, antibiotics for secondary infections post WW II, etc. The rate of decrease of measles deaths had slowed by the time the vaccine was introduced. Despite what any anti-vaxer thinks, it was never going to go to zero.

    Re: Scarlet Fever-similar types of supportive care.

    Flu virus mutates; measles much less so. Despite what AVers think, smallpox was eliminated using vaccination as one strategy for doing so. Polio is on the way to elimination; we may see it in the next few years or so.

    HPV is a great vaccine and has potential to save many lives.

  • shotofhealth

    Well, you can have your opinions, but I totally disagree with everything you say, with special emphasis on the HPV vaccine. I’ve just written an 80 page dissertation on it and it’s a vaccine that hasn’t been proven to prevent one case of cervical cancer and it’s caused the death and injury of thousands of girls who would probably never get cervical cancer anyway. All it needs is regular PAP screening, something which the manufacturers of this vaccine say you must have anyway.

  • shotofhealth

    Thanks Robo, I had guessed that :) – just having a little fun with ‘it’….

  • Tids1960

    I have many licenses… all of them allow me to DO…
    such as Practice, drive, fish, hunt…

    Even if they have them for vaccines… doesn’t it beg to question what they are using it for ?

    “Think about this logic, an unvaccinated child who does not have this disease can somehow miraculously give this disease they don’t have to a child who has been vaccinated for this disease and when the vaccine fails the blame is put on the unvaccinated child who didn’t have the disease…”
    Common sense tells me if they want a disease completely eradicated… it would have been done so by now. Am I suggesting that they are using these diseases as a weapon… No
    But it wouldn’t be a bit surprising if they didn’t use them to drum up business… and that’s what the medical field has become, Big Business.
    There is an agenda taking place in America, and it’s above and beyond agenda 21.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    What school is accepting this dissertation?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Incidence of these diseases was not reduced. Deaths were, for the reasons that Katya gave downthread. In the case of measles, better nutrition helped: malnutrition is strongly associated with worse outcomes. In some other diseases, e.g., polio, nutrition doesn’t seem to have been a factor. And, indeed, clean water didn’t help polio at all.

    I suggest abandoning a one-size-fits-all theory of why deaths from these diseases dropped, and as far as incidence, it did not drop until vaccination.

    Did you know there is a theory that safer (i.e., pasteurized) milk is one reason for the drop in scarlet fever, which did occur pre-vaccine. (There was a scarlet fever vaccine, but it wasn’t very good and wasn’t widely used.) I ask because I get the impression many antivaxers also condemn pasteurization as artificial. Of course, I’ve also seen them condemn my reading glasses as artificial, so nothing should surprise me.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    and if a few of them had died, what, that is just culling the herd…

  • Andrew Lazarus

    I had measles, but I’m not especially proud of it. The deaf boy in school, too.

    This idea that measles stops cancer is hilarious, no evidence for it. Extrapolating from measles being so toxic it can kill tumors. Why would you want that as a preventative? While antivaxers like to think of measles as a gym workout for the immune system, it’s more like a sprain. People were more likely to get sick in the subsequent years after they had measles.

    You know what gets the immune system going? Rolling in poison ivy! You first!

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Why do you suppose the antivaxers picked only 3 states? What do you suppose happened in the other 45?

    To know is to realize this is cherry picking. The nationwide totals for polio went down, and eventually the vaccine drove them to zero.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    This is nonsense. 1952, which was only three years before vaccine release, was one of the worst, if not the worst, polio year in USA history. What you are reading is the scam.

  • Al Mather

    We know you’re an idiot…no need to constantly remind us.

  • shotofhealth

    So a one-size-fits-all theory cannot be applied to ‘deaths’ but you are applying that to ‘incidence’? You are saying that all incidence of disease dropped due to vaccination?

    I agree that morbidity has been reduced due to vaccination, however, this has produced unintended consequences for the health of humans. Viruses and bacteria are constantly mutating; vaccination creates chronic conditions such as asthma and allergies; vaccination causes serious adverse effects including death; vaccinated children are more unhealthy than unvaccinated children; mothers cannot pass on innate immunity to their babies because they did not contract the disease naturally; the list goes on and on and on.

    Vaccination is an abomination and should be stopped. There is zero science behind the theory of vaccination as it does not mimic natural immunity – never has, never will.

    It is well-documented that pasteurisation is not necessary in order to safely utilise milk and that pasteurisation kills beneficial components of milk. If you feed pasteurised milk to a calf it does not thrive. But this is another subject.

    Sorry, I used the word ‘dissertation’ incorrectly – it feels like I’ve written a dissertation!! No, it’s a submission to various organisations who are promoting the HPV vaccine and who are not giving proper informed consent to patients.

    Oh, and one other thing, herd immunity can only be acquired through natural immunity of a community and not through vaccination. Just look at the figures for whooping cough and measles. It’s a sick joke. The vaccinated contract the disease and blame the unvaccinated and then call for more vaccination!!

  • Al Mather

    Well according to his own sister the ravages of his bipolar disorder had consumed his life and he ended it himself.. Only people like Lowell who are trying to mythologize the quack claim he was “bumped off”

  • Katia

    I don’t care how many pages you’ve written against the HPV vaccine! Just what are your qualifications for doing so, anyway? I can guess, but I’d like to hear it from you.

    You don’t know that the vaccine hasn’t prevented any cervical cancer. It has been out 9 years and it can be given up until age 26. Some of those original vaccinees are coming into the ages to get cervical cancer. Cervical cancer incidence starts to increase rapidly in one’s 20s and the median age (half older, half younger) is 48.
    http://www( dot)cdc(dot)gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/age(dot)htm

    It has never caused any docmentable deaths. Falling in a well after you get vaccinated is not a death due to the vaccine!

    Pap smears do not prevent anything. There is no health benefit to getting your cervix scraped with a wooden scraper that kind of looks like an ice cream stick. Paps are for early detection, not prevention. And you have to follow through. Yes, routine paps are still recommended. So what?

  • shotofhealth

    Yes, it definitely does beg the question. I just don’t trust anything when it comes to governments. Nothing. Not until it’s proven it’s innocent….

    I like your sentence about the logic and the unvaccinated child. Did you see Mr Lazarus’ comments above? Am I right in saying that disease morbidity might be reduced because of vaccines, but at what cost? The population is paying the price for toxic vaccines with their health?

  • Katia

    Google U!

  • shotofhealth

    Who needs a qualification to understand the truth?! Do I need a qualification to understand what a doctor wants to inject into me?! NO!!! In fact, that is called ‘informed consent’ – I must KNOW what the risks and benefits are before I accept a treatment.

    Yup, you definitely are a shill! ‘documentable deaths’ – how on earth do you live with your conscience?! The purveyors of toxic vaccines won’t document a death because it’s not good for sales! It’s amazing what you can’t prove simply because you ain’t looking!

    Well, you can’t PROVE that it has prevented cervical cancer! It was NEVER PROVEN to prevent cancer in the trials. There are other factors that are required in order for HPV to progress to cancer – read the FDA literature on this. If you need the link I’ll give it to you.

    PAP smears detect pre-cancerous cells which can be easily treated to prevent cancer. It’s safe, non-toxic and painless. It’s the easiest way to prevent cervical cancer. I know, I’ve been through it.

    I cannot believe what you just wrote actually. That there is no health benefit to ‘getting your cervix scraped…’. Seriously?! Try telling that to the millions of women who go through this screening and who pick up various problems via this procedure.

    Even the FDA acknowledge the dramatic health benefits of PAP smears! You clearly are not a woman Katia….

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Ah, so the “dissertation” is a screed you mail out to various organizations. You made it sound like something a scientist had supervised, and that you were at some academic institution that was interested in your innumerate, largely erroneous, conclusions.

    The list of falsehoods indeed goes on and on. There is no reason that herd immunity can only be acquired “naturally”: it’s a mathematical consequence of how many people around you are unable, for whatever reason, to contract and further spread the disease. The unvaccinated are far more likely to contract the disease: when you calculate the relative risk, you have to account for the fact most people are vaccinated. So a sick cohort that is split 50/50 is a big win for vaccines. And the exaggerated number of deaths even antivax sites manage to attribute to vaccines is a small fraction of what the diseases themselves claimed (but, I suppose, these “natural” deaths we beneficial to society, culling the losers).

    I have no idea what happens when pasteurized milk is given to calves, and AFAIK no one has ever suggested nursing mothers pasteurize their own milk before giving it to their babies. I do know that commercial-scale unpasteurized milk, as opposed to your own cow (as people left agriculture throughout the 18th and 19th centuries) was a vector for serious illness, and sometimes still is.

    Finally, given that you concede vaccines reduced morbidity (the evidence for rapid drop immediately following vaccine release is overwhelming), you should abandon your theory that vaccination can not possibly work. That’s internally inconsistent, as opposed to a claim that the side effects make it too dangerous, which is empirically not so for the vaccines in common use, but at least logically plausible.

  • Katia

    Do you antivaxers always try to be so deceptive?

    The Salk vaccine was licensed April 12, 1955, four months before August 30, 1955. In other words the vaccine was only in use for four months at that date. In fact, if it was licensed April 12, it was probably a few months before it was available in regular physicians’ offices. So you’re probably seeing only two months’ worth of immunization and 10 months of no immunization.

    Very disingenuous. That means you’re lying.

  • Katia

    Oh, the h*ll they do.

  • Katia

    That is untrue. Lying liars lie lots!

  • Katia

    What a lie! You can look at a graph and see that the incidence of polio had actually increased. Lying liars lie lots.

  • Katia

    That is a crock of compost!

  • shotofhealth

    The risks of vaccination outweigh the theoretical benefits. Vaccination only confers limited ‘immunity’ and does not fully protect the vaccinated.

    Herd immunity with vaccines is just that, a theory. It doesn’t work in practice.

    But it’s fine, you carry on injecting yourself with toxic rubbish. That’s your choice. But the risks are too great for many people to accept. That’s their choice. Where there is a risk, there must be a choice.

    No, I just used the ‘wrong’ word that’s all. I made NO mention of being a scientist or at a college. I just used the word ‘dissertation’ as in a ‘long treatise or document’.

    So cheerio, have a good life!

  • Katia

    Smallpox was eliminated through vaccination. That’s why there is no smallpox.

  • shotofhealth

    Ah but measles HASN’T been eliminated from the US. The vaccine strain of measles sheds.

    There is an explanation of the increase in polio but of course you won’t accept that.

    Cheerio!!

  • Katia

    “Who needs a qualification to understand the truth?! ”

    I always love these answers. You have none. I get it.

    “Do I need a qualification to understand what a doctor wants to inject into me?! NO!!!” ”

    To understand it? You need some knowledge base beyond NVIC, VacTruth, Mercola, Whale et al via Google U.

  • Katia

    The vaccine does not “shed”. There has never been a documented case of measles via vaccine. Never.

    The only measles in the US is cases brought in from abroad.

  • nworder

    You are obviously a troll writing such confused bull…..!
    What you need is 200 vaccines and you will see the effects yourself .

  • nworder

    Well go get your HPV shots you clown

  • Katia

    I’m too old but my kids got theirs. Neither one turned autistic, fell in a well, or had any other adverse event. In fact, you might say that HPV vaccine causes advanced degrees, because both got one after their HPV series.

  • nworder

    There is no smallpox since smallpox vaccination stopped and sanitation and nutrition took over :-

    “How is it that smallpox is five times as likely to be fatal in the vaccinated as in the unvaccinated? How is it that in some of our most highly vaccinated towns, smallpox is rife whilst in some of our most poorly vaccinated towns such as Leicester, it is almost unknown? How is it that something like 80% of the cases admitted into the Metropolitan Board Smallpox Hospital have been vaccinated, whilst only 20% have not been vaccinated.”

    Dr. L. Parry, British Medical Journal, 1/21/28

    “Millions of people died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated.”
    J. W. Hodge, ‘The Vaccine Superstition’

    “At present, intelligent people do not have their children vaccinated. The result is not, as the Jennerians prophesied the extermination of the human race by smallpox, on the contrary more people are now killed by vaccinations than by smallpox.”
    George Bernard Shaw, The Irish Times, 8/9/44

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Herd immunity with vaccines is just that, a theory. It doesn’t work in practice.

    And gravity is a theory that only works with apples.

    95% measles vaccination coverage gives a 99%+ drop in incidence. The 4% bonus is her immunity.

    The problem with claiming you are making a choice, is that you are also free riding on the responsible choice others made, getting the best of both worlds.

  • nworder

    A made up troll story – anecdotal as big pharma would say
    – now collect your cash .

  • Al Mather

    My conscience is fine and so is the Laphroaig 18.

  • nworder

    MEASLES VACCINE SHEDS TO OTHERS – EVEN YOUR BOSSES ADMIT IT – you daft shill :-

    GREEN MED INFO :-

    “20 years ago, the MMR vaccine was found to infect virtually all of its recipients with measles. The manufacturer Merck’s own product warning links MMR to a potentially fatal form of brain inflammation caused by measles. Why is this evidence not being reported?

    The Vaccinated Spreading Measles

    The phenomenon of measles infection spread by MMR (live measles-mumps-rubella vaccine) has been known for decades. In fact, 20 years ago, scientists working at the CDC’s National Center for Infectious Diseases, funded by the WHO and the National Vaccine Program, discovered something truly disturbing about the MMR vaccine: it leads to detectable measles infection in the vast majority of those who receive it.

    Published in 1995 in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology and titled, “Detection of Measles Virus RNA in Urine Specimens from Vaccine Recipients,” researchers analyzed urine samples from newly MMR vaccinated 15-month-old children and young adults and reported their eye-opening results as following:

    Measles virus RNA was detected in 10 of 12 children during the 2-week sampling period.

    In some cases, measles virus RNA was detected as early as 1 day or as late as 14 days after the children were vaccinated.

    Measles virus RNA was also detected in the urine samples from all four of the young adults between 1 and 13 days after vaccination. ………..”

  • nworder

    Did you make the ” a graph” katia troll – lol

    Where did big pharma pick you up

  • Al Mather

    Right…since they cleaned up all those sanitation and nutrition issues in Somalia, India, Sudan back in the day…you idiot.

  • nworder

    Your are a BS troll
    GREEN MED INFO :-

    In 2010, Eurosurveillance published a report about excretion of vaccine strain measles virus in urine and pharyngeal secretions of a Croatian child with vaccine-associated rash illness.[1] A healthy 14-month old child was given MMR vaccine and eight days later developed macular rash and fever. Lab testing of throat and urine samples between two and four weeks after vaccination tested positive for vaccine strain measles virus. Authors of the report pointed out that when children experience a fever and rash after MMR vaccination, only molecular lab testing can determine whether the symptoms are due to vaccine strain measles virus infection. They stated: “According to WHO guidelines for measles and rubella elimination, routine discrimination between aetiologies of febrile rash disease is done by virus detection. However, in a patient recently MMR-vaccinated, only molecular techniques can differentiate between wild type measles or rubella infection or vaccine-associated disease. This case report demonstrates that excretion of Schwartz measles virus occurs in vaccinees.”

    In 2012, Pediatric Child Health published a report describing a healthy 15-month old child in Canada, who developed irritability, fever, cough, conjunctivitis and rash within seven days of an MMR shot.[2] Blood, urine and throat swab tests were positive for vaccine strain measles virus infection 12 days after vaccination. Addressing the potential for measles vaccine strain virus transmission to others, the authors stated, “While the attenuated virus can be detected in clinical specimens following immunization, it is understood that administration of the MMR vaccine to immunocompetent individuals does not carry the risk of secondary transmission to susceptible hosts.

    In 2013, Eurosurveillance published a report of vaccine strain measles occurring weeks after MMR vaccination in Canada. Authors stated, “We describe a case of measlesmumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine-associated measles illness that was positive by both PCR and IgM, five weeks after administration of the MMR vaccine.” The case involved a two-year-old child, who developed runny nose, fever, cough, macular rash and conjunctivitis after vaccination and tested positive for vaccine strain measles virus infection in throat swab and blood tests.[3]

    Canadian health officials authoring the report raised the question of whether there are unidentified cases of vaccine strain measles infections and the need to know more about how long measles vaccine strain shedding lasts. They concluded that the case they reported “likely represents the existence of additional, but unidentified, exceptions to the typical timeframe for measles vaccine virus shedding and illness.” They added that “further investigation is needed on the upper limit of measles vaccine virus shedding based on increased sensitivity of the RT-PCR-based detection technologies and immunological factors associated with vaccine-associated measles illness and virus shedding.”

  • Ron Roy

    Not only didn’t the smallpox vaccine work, in counties where everyone was forcibly vaccinated, but it increased the death rate was three times greater than normal in subsequent epidemics!

    http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html

  • nworder

    You need at least tom try to look intelligent as a troll – are
    you on the $1 rate – lol

  • nworder

    With america having the highest infant death rate and the highest health spending on vaccines it aint working Al

  • nworder

    THE VACCINE HOAX :-
    “After the Salk vaccine was introduced it is estimated that 80 to 100 percent ofALL POLIO cases were CAUSED BY the VACCINE itself.
    But this was hidden because they changed the name to Septic Meningitis and other illnesses to hide it. Introduce a vaccine, change the name of the disease and the vaccine is deemed successful while another disease appears in the population with the same symptoms.

    Did you know MERCURY POISIONING has the exact same symptoms as AUTISM?

    It’s a genius plan for Big Pharma to make 100’s of BILLIONS of dollars while the news media turns a blind eye to the SCAM because they survive on their advertising dollars.”

  • nworder

    THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING – IF VACCINES WORKED AMERICA WOULD NOT HAVE THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE – with a graph lining relating the
    highest number of vaccines in america with the highest number of deaths .

    The only upticks you get are from fellow paid shills

  • Andrew Lazarus

    You’ve copied and pasted from a disinformation center, and what is funniest is that nothing here is relevant to the particular post of mine that you are attacking. Explain very slowly what any of these three cases has to do with herd immunity. For bonus points, rewrite “it is understood that administration of the MMR vaccine to immunocompetent individuals does not carry the risk of secondary transmission to susceptible hosts” in your own words.

  • Al Mather

    ADHD? Can’t stay focused on topic. YOU were talking about how sanitation and nutrition got rid of smallpox..???Not in the 20th century when they finally got rid of it with vaccination.
    Remove our inner city African American poor from the statistical mix and our IMR comes WAY down. Our IMR has more to do with access to pre & post natal care than any other variable.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    I’ve seen this graph. It has two big problems. First, those other countries mostly have socialized medicine (how’s that fit in with your New World Order stuff?), and our high infant mortality rate is driven by Third World levels among the urban poor, whom we don’t care about. The effect goes away if you look at USA middle class infant mortality. The second issue is the data is cherry picked. It has Cuba and omits Costa RIca (IIRC), because Costa Rica detracts from the conclusion.

    I am not a paid shill. I don’t even have a web site selling homeopathic water at huge profits, but your heroes do.

  • nworder

    FROM HELL TO VEINS

    “We only need to look at Bill and Melinda Gates to see the carnage the polio vaccine has recently wrecked upon this earth. Bill Gates, a devout anti-human malthusian, (always the financiers of vaccines) brought to the population of India their live virus polio vaccine and created one of the worst polio epidemics the country of India had ever scene.

    The vaccine created a super polio virus (military grade) and 17 million children were so severely crppled that many of them had to be put on resporators (the modern day ‘iron lung’) “

  • WRONG. The truth is that multiple outbreaks of measles have currently been found to contain 80 to 90 percent who were fully vaccinated, on schedule. For a listing of those outbreaks and more, go here.

    I have NOT been re-vaccinated since I was 13 years old, and that was over decades ago. There are existing thousands of adults and if not millions who have never been re-vaccinated in decades, and if so it has in the past been very minimally. Where is you vaccine derived herd immunity existing at? Are you telling that only requires vaccinating the school children and teens/ What about the adults, and all the way to the elderly? Your telling me vaccine protection lasts for life, when it is obviously doing such a poor job of immunizing even those who have been recently vaccinated?

    The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

    You can argue your mortality verses morbidity nonsense all day long; it reality that is not going anywhere.

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    As for the recent measles, Disneyland false fear mongering fiascoe that that also lead to the push to introduce legislation to eliminate all vaccine exemptions with the exception of medial; and such as has been done in CA.

    Disney, Measles and the Fantasyland of Vaccine Perfection

    8. If vaccines work, the vaccinated should be protected. If they don’t work, ask yourself why are you allowing them and exposing your child to such incredible risks?

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/01/disney-measles-and-the-fantasyland-of-vaccine-perfection.html

    The Measles Vaccine Deadly Scam

    “As many as 86% of those who caught measles at Disneyland were fully up to date on their MMR.”

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_measles.htm

    The already long existing and the real study science has already long since, shown us what the REAL truth is.

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.
    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract
    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

    Measles Vaccines Part I; Ineffectiveness of Vaccination and Unintended Consequences. ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD) – See more at:http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/18/the-ineffectiveness-of-measles-vaccines-and-other-unintended-consequences-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

    Measles Vaccines Part II; Benefits of Contracting Measles ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD)
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/29/measles-vaccines-part-ii-benefits-of-contracting-measles-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

    The truth about the measles, natural immunity, and the vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-truth-about-the-measles-natural-immunity-and-the-vaccine.html

    Measles and Mumps Protect Against Heart Attack and Stroke
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/measles-and-mumps-protect-against-heart-attack-and-stroke/

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease – See more at:
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    Autism Parents Reply to CNN: ‘Hear This Well’

    Correspondent’s remark sparks grassroots video campaign in which parents tell their stories

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/933954-autism-parents-reply-to-cnn-hear-this-well/?photo=2

    Hear This Well Parents Speak Out
    by Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence263 videos317,704 views
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe

    ————–

    Measles and mumps protect against heart attack and stroke!
    by Dr. Jack Wolfson

    Breaking news. Measles and mumps protect against heart attack and stroke! Could the mass vaccination program of the U.S. lead to an explosion of heart attacks?

    Myocardial infarctions are already the leading cause of death in the world today. The situation could get much worse.

    A prestigious journal reported that men who had measles and mumps as children suffered 29% less heart attacks and 17% less strokes! Women with a history of both infections had a 17% lower risk of cardiovascular disease and 21% lower risk of stroke. The journal Atherosclerosis recently published these shocking findings in the June 2015 issue(1).

    By my calculations, natural infection with the measles and mumps will prevent millions of heart attacks and strokes. Why is this information not all over the TV and internet? I will tell you why. Because mainstream media is in bed with Big Pharma who pay their bills. The politicians are slaves to their corporate masters. Our children should be exposed to every virus and bacteria for which a vaccine exists.

    The polio virus led to symptoms in only 5% of those exposed. Rarely was paralysis an effect, and even then, the cause may have been pesticide induced, other viruses, or from arsenic. This was the 1940’s after all. Children who are breast fed, eat organic foods, and are not living in a cloud of chemicals will easily combat these infections.

    Sadly, most parents don’t want to deal with chicken pox. They may have to stay home from work or skip a Saturday night out drinking with friends. Unfortunately, states are now pushing draconian laws to forcibly vaccinate children prior to school entry. Religious freedom is not protected. Philosophical exemptions will go the way of the dinosaurs.

    Yet the prestigious Cochrane Library did an independent review of MMR vaccine trials and the author’s conclusion was, “The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate.” (2)

    Did the California legislature not read this report or did they rely on the shills with the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Centers for Disease Control? Both of those groups are a revolving door with corporate America and pharmaceutical companies. The doctors who write the guidelines are usually on the pharma payroll. A whopping 28% of all doctors receive consulting fees from drug makers. (3)

    What other protective benefits are there of benign childhood infections? We do know that young girls who get the mumps virus have a lower risk of ovarian cancer. Might chicken pox protect against cancer? Could rubella prevent Alzheimers?

    The sad truth is that we are too early in the mass vaccination campaign to really understand the long term risks. The gold standard in medical research is the randomized, placebo controlled trial. That study does not exist for most vaccines and there has never been a trial on 69 doses of 16 vaccines versus a placebo. There never will be. We may never fully realize the damage done from this immune system onslaught.

    You brought a child into this world. Protect them.

    References: :

    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/measles-and-mumps-protect-against-heart-attack-and-stroke/

  • nworder

    YOUR “HERD” IMMUNITY IS FAIRY TALE BS

    “There can be no doubt that vaccination was a definite causal factor and no chance coincidence” Data confirming encephalomyelitis following smallpox vaccination.”
    Lancet, September & October 1926

    “It is now accepted that the risks of routine smallpox vaccination outweigh those of natural infection.”
    British Medical Journal 1/5/76

    “Immunization against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself.”
    Ari Zuckerman, Advisory Panel, World Health Organization

    “Primary smallpox immunization of persons with subclinical HIV disease poses a risk of vaccine-induced disease and multiple immunizations may accelerate the progress of HIV disease. This case raises concern about the ultimate safety of vaccinia-based vaccine in developing countries…”
    New England Journal of Medicine, March 12, 1987

  • Andrew Lazarus

    The claim that 86% of the Disney cases were vaccinated is simply made up. Of the 136 cases, 57 were known unvaccinated and another 54 had unknown vaccination status. Some of the unknown are perhaps vaccinated with lost paperwork, but some were surely too embarrassed to tell doctors they take medical advice from Playboy Bunnies on crank web sites.

    Needless to say, close examination of the rest of this Gish Gallop of unrelated antivax disinformation will show it’swrong, speculative, or out of context. On the other hand, here’s a study that kids who had measles were also sicker for years following, because measles was such a whammy on the immune system.

  • Measles at Disneyland! (Check out all the applicable study references at the bottom of the page)
    http://vaxtruth.org/2015/01/measles/

    Atypical measles – a new phenomenon only in the vaccinated

    It is less well known to the general public that vaccinated children started developing an especially vicious form of measles, due to the altered host immune response caused by the deleterious effect of the measles vaccines. It resisted all orthodox treatment and carried a high mortality rate.

    It has become known as atypical measles. (AMS)

    – See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/18/the-ineffectiveness-of-measles-vaccines-and-other-unintended-consequences-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

    Outbreaks of Measles in Vaccinated Children Intensifying

    The ineffectiveness and unintended consequences of measles vaccination

    – See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/outbreaks-of-measles-in-vaccinated-children-intensifying/

  • nworder

    TWO UPTICKS FROM AL and his dog – AL IN DRAG = KATIA kfunk – is this you again Al.

    LIBERTY BEACON :-
    metals, cancer causing substances, toxic chemicals, live and genetically modified viruses, bacteria, contaminated serum containing animal viruses and foreign genetic material, extremely toxic de-contaminants and adjuvants, untested antibiotics, none of which can be injected without causing any harm.
    Vaccine contaminants have included bovine (cow), avian (chicken) and monkey viruses and bacteria such as streptococcus in the DTP (diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis) vaccine [Pediatrics, Vol. 75, No. 2, Feb 1985] and Serratia marcesens in the influenza vaccines [2004 influenza season].

    There is no scientific study to determine whether vaccines have really prevented diseases. Rather disease graphs show vaccines have been introduced at the end of epidemics when the disease was already in its last stages. In case of Small Pox the vaccine actually caused a great spurt in the incidence of disease before public outcry led to its withdrawal.

    There are no long-term studies on vaccine safety. Very short-term tests are carried out where the vaccinated subjects are checked against another group who are given another vaccine. Technically the tests should be carried out against a non-vaccinated group. No one really knows what protocols are followed at such industry based or industry sponsored trials. …….”

  • Andrew Lazarus

    What does this have to do with herd immunity?

    Lurkers: Notice how antivaxers are so clueless, they post the same walls-of-text without even checking if it is the correct wall of text for the point under debate?

  • Katia

    Oh, what garbage!

    Some FEW polio cases were caused by the SABIN oral (live) polio vaccine. The only cases caused by the Salk (killed virus) vaccine were in the sad Cutter incident. (Look it up)

    “Changed the name” lol! Polio is caused by the polio virus.

    No, mercury poisoning and autism do not have the same symptoms. That’s another lie your woos have fed you, and you AVs are too much the followers to look it up.

  • Katia

    As has been said many times over, Whale isn’t credible even to most anti-vaxers. Get a grip!

  • Katia

    Jaysus, from Whale to “Green Med”. I don’t think you understand what this report is saying. In fact, I know you don’t.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Which study supports your claim that 86% of the sick at Disneyland were vaccinated? Maybe you could copy and paste just that one datum, rather than sending me on a treasure hunt?

    Lurkers: Another antivaxer fails the Turing Test! He has an endless reservoir of antivax material—some of it is true in a certain sense; e.g., that like all other medications, vaccines sometimes don’t work and sometimes have side effects—but he can’t even figure out which are relevant.

  • nworder

    GET YOUR MEASLES WITH A VACCINE – ITS DEADLY

    21ST CENTURY WIRE :-

    “20 years ago, the MMR vaccine was found to infect virtually all of its recipients with measles. The manufacturer Merck’s own product warning links MMR to a potentially fatal form of brain inflammation caused by measles. Why is this evidence not being reported?

    The phenomenon of measles infection spread by MMR (live measles-mumps-rubella vaccine) has been known for decades. In fact, 20 years ago, scientists working at the CDC’s National Center for Infectious Diseases, funded by the WHO and the National Vaccine Program, discovered something truly disturbing about the MMR vaccine: it leads to detectable measles infection in the vast majority of those who receive it.

    Published in 1995 in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology and titled, “Detection of Measles Virus RNA in Urine Specimens from Vaccine Recipients,” researchers analyzed urine samples from newly MMR vaccinated 15-month-old children and young adults and reported their eye-opening results as following:

    Measles virus RNA was detected in 10 of 12 children during the 2-week sampling period.

    In some cases, measles virus RNA was detected as early as 1 day or as late as 14 days after the children were vaccinated.

    Measles virus RNA was also detected in the urine samples from all four of the young adults between 1 and 13 days after vaccination.

  • Katia

    Quit losing sleep over smallpox. It’s gone!

    “The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.”


    Neil deGrasse Tyson

  • Andrew Lazarus

    “It is now accepted that the risks of routine smallpox vaccination outweigh those of natural infection.”British Medical Journal 1/5/76

    And we don’t vaccinate against smallpox any more for just this reason.

    If you guys would stop slandering the polio vaccine, we could get eradicate polio, too.

  • Al Mather

    Except for those that lie claiming to be Doctors when they are not. Put up websites calling themselves Doctor Jack PhD when in reality they are not Doctors of any stripe …Putting Phd after their name and fake title yet have not achieved a Phd. in any field. Just delusional lying POSs. Like You Jack. I have never lied about what I do. I am a tradesman. I work with my hands. I do honest work. I MAKE NO FALSE CLAIMS. I employ others and add to the economy. I wonder if there would be any legal ramifications for falsely claiming a Phd. and referring to yourself with the title (which you just decided to give yourself) of “doctor” …Doctor Joke. You spend a lot of time telling everyone over and over about the hours your read and studied… How BIG of a tell is that you delusional phony. Doctor Joke.

  • nworder

    I CAN BARELY READ YOUR BORING TROLLING BS

    “In regions in which there is no organized vaccination of the population, general paralysis is rare…”JAMA, July 1926

    “Around the turn of the 20th century, people began reporting paralytic illness AFTER the smallpox vaccination. By the 1920s, infantile paralysis (later renamed polio) began to emerge as an important new disease that often afflicted the limb that had been vaccinated. And later when…vaccines gained widespread use, illness and paralytic episodes following vaccination became common knowledge…”Edda West, Polio Perspectives, Vaccine Risk Awareness Network

    “One soldier… told me that the army hospitals were filled with cases of infantile paralysis and he wondered why a grown man should have an infant disease. Now, we know that paralysis is a common after-effect of vaccine Poisoning. those at home didn’t get the paralysis until after the world-wide vaccination campaign in 1918.”Eleanor McBean PhD, author of ‘The Poisoned Needle’

    A study published in 1992 validated earlier findings. Children who received DPT injections were significantly more likely than controls to get paralytic poliomyelitis within the next 30 days…”This study confirmed that injections are an important cause of provocative poliomyelitis.”Sutter R.W., et al ‘Attributable paralytic poliomyelitis during a large outbreak in Oman’ Journal of Infectious Disease 1992; 165:444-9

  • Why have you not mentioned supplementing adequate amounts of vitamin A? Just because the big pharma/vaccine vested interests connected sources have produced studies finding low or no benefit to the vitamin issue, doesn’t make it any less real, as to the actual benefit and as to the significance of the issue.

    What If My Child Gets the Measles?

    According to Joy Gardner, author of an excellent book on natural healing entitled Healing the Family, she discusses the use of both vitamin C and A. One of her sources is Adelle Davis who recommends 1,000 to 2,000 mg. of vitamin C every two hours and says that “measles causes a great deficit in this vitamin and causes the vitamin A requirement to skyrocket, and if this vitamin is not supplied, the eyes or kidneys may be damaged.” Joy Gardner recommends 10,000 I.U. per day for children under ten and 20,000 I.U. for older children. Vitamin A is available in halibut liver oil or cod liver oil capsules. A wonderful natural source of Vitamin A is fresh carrot juice.

    Read more:
    http://vaccinechoicecanada.com/alternatives/what-if-my-child-gets-measles/

    HPV is a great vaccine and has potential to save many lives???? Really? Just keep munching on that fake, sheeple grass, and drinking their brainwashing KoolAid! This dangerous and actually yet unproven vaccine has caused as much or more death and unrecovered from neurologically based vaccine injury, than the old DPT vaccine. Its known contamination issues alone should have caused it to be immediately be recalled and removed from the market. Instead, they simply ignored it all, and produced and FDA approved another vaccine, Gardasil 9.

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety

    “HPV Vaccine Has Done This to My Child”

    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

    Gardasil-The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil—the-real-truth.html

  • nworder

    Al the brickie and vaccine troll – an expert who does
    “lots of study ” on cement , bricks and medicine – your’e a walter mitty -lol

  • Katia

    Atypical measles was contracted by people who had been vaccinated with the first KILLED measles vaccine. It is recommended these people get revaccinated with live measles vaccine.

    “Atypical measles occurs in individuals who were vaccinated with the original killed-virus measles vaccine between 1963 and 1967 and who have incomplete immunity. After exposure to the measles virus, a mild or subclinical prodrome of fever, headache, abdominal pain, and myalgias precedes a rash that begins on the hands and feet and spreads centripetally. The eruption is accentuated in the skin folds and may be macular, vesicular, petechial, or urticarial.

    ******The live-attenuated
    vaccine replaced the killed vaccine in 1967 and is not associated with atypical measles.”******
    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/966220-clinical
    (Emphasis mine)

    ““Atypical measles” occurs only in persons who received
    inactivated (killed) measles vaccine (KMV) and are subsequently
    exposed to wild-type measles virus. An estimated
    600,000 to 900,000 persons received KMV in the United
    States from 1963 to 1967. KMV sensitizes the recipient
    to measles virus antigens without providing protection.
    Subsequent infection with measles virus leads to signs of
    hypersensitivity polyserositis. The illness is characterized by
    fever, pneumonia, pleural effusions, and edema. The rash is
    usually maculopapular or petechial, but may have urticarial,
    purpuric, or vesicular components. It appears first on the
    wrists or ankles. Atypical measles may be prevented by revaccinatingwith live measles vaccine. Moderate to severe local
    reactions with or without fever may follow vaccination; these
    reactions are less severe than with with wild measles virus
    infection.”
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/meas.pdf

  • nworder

    So by your logic if we stop polio vaccination we will wipe out polio as well since the polio vax is deadly compared with “wild” polio :-

    ““In 2011 there were an extra 47500 new cases of NPAFP [non-polio acute flaccid paralysis].
    Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Through this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated.”

  • Polio will NEVER be eradicated in undeveloped countries, with an OPV vaccine. And what about the over 47,000 cases of acute flaccid paralysis that have occurred in India alone, and since this mass oral polio vaccine campaign came to be? Where have the existing identified enteroviruses come from? If they didn’t know about SV40 in the early polio vaccine, then what makes you think that they would now recognize enterovirus contamination in the vaccine, either? Vaccine contamination is yet a very unresolved issue, and that in fact obviously can never be resolved; considering the vial substances that vaccines are made from.

    Vaccines & Viruses: Vaccine-derived polio breaks out in Ukraine and Mali
    http://www.worldmag.com/2015/09/vaccines_viruses_vaccine_derived_polio_breaks_out_in_ukraine_and_mali

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

  • Katia

    Snort!

    The Vitamin A treatment is for kids who are Vitamin A deficient, which is not generally a problem in the US.

    Joy Gardner sounds like another anti-vax twit.

  • Katia

    Katia is retired and is supported by social security.

  • nworder

    THE POLIO VACCINE HOAX
    VACCINES UNCENSORED :-
    “The U.S.P.H.S. reported that more children who received the Salk vaccine made by Wyeth Labs suffered polio than could normally be expected.”Washington Bureau of the Detroit Free Press, 6/13/55

    “In 1957, a spokesman for the North Carolina Health Department made glowing claims for the efficacy of the Salk vaccine, showing how polio steadily decrease from 1953 to 1957. Hi figures were challenged by Dr. Fred Klenner who pointed out that it wasn’t until 1955 that a single person in the state received a polio vaccine injection. Even then injections were administered on a limited basis because of the number of polio cases resulting from the vaccine. It wasn’t until 1956 that a single person in the state received a polio vaccine Even then injections were administered on a limited basis because of the number of polio cases resulting from the vaccine. It wasn’t until 1956 that polio vaccinations assumed inspired proportion. The 61% drop in polio cases in 1954 was credited to the Salk vaccine when it wasn’t even in the state. By 1957 polio was on the increase.”Dr. Walene James, ‘Immunization: The Reality Behind the Myth’

    “Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institutes of Health during the 1950s were all aware that the Salk vaccine was causing polio. Some frankly stated that it was ‘worthless as a preventative and dangerous to take.’ They refused to vaccinate their own children. Health departments banned the inoculation. The Idaho State Health Director angrily declared ‘I hold Salk vaccine and its manufacturers responsible ‘for a polio outbreak that several killed Idahoans and hospitalized dozens more…”‘Vaccines: Are They really Safe and Effective’, N. Miller citing ‘The Poisoned needle’ and data taken from government statistics as reported

    “Where compulsory vaccination was practiced as in North Carolina and Tenesse, Bealle’s investigations report a 400% increase in paralytic and non-paralytic polio during 1959 over 1958.”
    William Frederick Koch MD, PhD

    “I got a phone call… This was the health officer of the city of Los Angeles and he said they just got two reports of polio in sime children who had been vaccinated days earlier.”
    James Shannon, then Associate Director, National Institute of Health

    “English authorities have cancelled the Salk vaccine program as too dangerous.”Herbert Ratner MD Editor, Bulletin of Public Health Officials

  • nworder

    “This history that has been cooked up to convince people that vaccines are safe and effective…The decline of disease was due to improve living conditions: cleaner water, advance sewage systems, nutrition a decrease in poverty. Germs may be everywhere but when you are really healthy, you don’t contact disease as easily.”

    Mark Randall, (pseudonym) former NIH Researcher and Vaccine Developer in interview with investigative reporter, Jon Rappoport

  • So do you then supplement your income by your obvious shilling? What was your previous employment in regard to?

  • nworder

    THE GOVERNMENT SAY THAT ONLY A MINUTE % DONT GET VACCINATED.
    So any group of kids in america will be like pincushions with the MMR etc so this group at Disneyland will have nearly all been vaccinated over 95% at least – this is logic
    something you were not born or you would have a decent job instead of spending your life supporting pharma gansters for a pittnce .

  • nworder

    VACCINES UNCENSORED :-

    Figures published in International Mortality Statistics confirm that from 1915-1958 the measles death rate in the U.S. and U.K. declined by 98% (five years before the creation of the measles vaccine)

    “We were told repeatedly that Professor Ramous toxoid ‘practically wiped out diptheria’ in Britain, yet compulsory use at the same time in France showed very different results. In Britain with mass inoculations there was an increase in cases and deaths of several months, but in France with compulsory inoculations, the increases were much greater and lasted for many years.”Lionel Dole, ‘The Blood Poisoners’

    The New Zealand Government’s statistics show that the average death rate per 10,000 fell from 6.08 to 0.20 before the use of diphtheria vaccine.Southland Time 30-Sep-1998

  • Snort??? LOL. Measles causes both vitamin A and vitamin C deficiency. That is an obvious PROBLEM, and with a easy correction that can effect and reduce the seriousness of the illness, and also that can reduce deaths and mortality. But that would not be important you, because all you believe in is toxic and contaminated vaccines. You as well have and as I’ve said, been reading the wrong information, and studies.

    What as well about your said claim as to Gardasil? Do you just love seeing the result of disabled and now dead Gardasil girls? I bet you think that is just all false information, and just only another conspiracy theory?

  • nworder

    WHALE IS A GREAT SITE – I LOVE IT
    You just make up things – lol

  • nworder

    ASTONISHING NUMBER OF RANDOM KIDS APPEAR AT DISNEY UNVACCINATED FOR MEASLES ?????
    This is statistically impossible – more than half USA kids unvaccinated – you know you are lying .

  • nworder

    SAYS IT ALL DOESN’T IT

    WASHINGTON POST :-

    “The United States has a higher infant mortality rate than any of the other 27 wealthy countries, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control. A baby born in the U.S. is nearly three times as likely to die during her first year of life as one born in Finland or Japan. That same American baby is about twice as likely to die in her first year as a Spanish or Korean one.

    Despite healthcare spending levels that are significantly higher than any other country in the world, a baby born in the U.S. is less likely to see his first birthday than one born in Hungary, Poland or Slovakia. Or in Belarus. Or in Cuba, for that matter.

    The U.S. rate of 6.1 infant deaths per 1,000 live births masks considerable state-level variation. If Alabama were a country, its rate of 8.7 infant deaths per 1,000 would place it slightly behind Lebanon in the world rankings. Mississippi, with its 9.6 deaths, would be somewhere between Botswana and Bahrain.

    We’re the wealthiest nation in the world. How did we end up like this? ” HIGHEST VACCINATION !

  • Measles and measles vaccines: fourteen things to consider. ~by Roman Bystrianyk (co-author Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History) –

    2. The 1963 measles vaccine caused a severe disease called atypical measles

    A study from 1967 revealed that this killed measles virus vaccine could cause pneumonia and abdominal pain as well as encephalopathy (inflammation of the brain). These severe effects were “unanticipated.”

    Pneumonia is a consistent and prominent finding. Fever is severe and persistent and the degree of headache, when present, suggests a central nervous system involvement. Indeed one patient in our series who was examined by EEG, evidence of disturbed electrical activity of the brain was found, suggestive of encephalopathy . . . These untoward results of inactivated measles virus immunization was unanticipated. [11]

    Atypical measles was severe and occurred after encountering natural measles or being vaccinated with a live measles vaccine, because of being originally vaccinated with the KMV vaccine.

    Atypical measles was characterized by a higher and more prolonged fever, unusual skin lesions and severe pneumonitis compared to measles in previously unvaccinated persons. The rash was often accompanied by evidence of hemorrhage or vesiculation. The pneumonitis included distinct nodular parenchymal lesions and hilar adenopathy. Abdominal pain, hepatic dysfunction, headache, eosinophilia, pleural effusions and edema were also described. [12]

    5. Large epidemics still occur in highly vaccinated populations

    In the pre-vaccine era, measles freely circulated providing for natural boosting in the population. After natural measles infection during childhood, reoccurrence of measles was rare. The solid, lifelong protection afforded by natural infection has been replaced with a vaccine-induced immunity that wanes with time. Waning immunity among the vaccinated, combined with lower natural disease boosting will create substantial numbers of measles-susceptible people in highly vaccinated populations

    …waning of vaccine-induced immunity can have a significant impact, primarily because the available data makes higher values plausible for this rate of waning. The rate is still quite small, but by acting on so many individuals in a highly vaccinated community it can render a significant number susceptible to infection. [27]

    This combination of effects can result in large-scale measles epidemics, despite high vaccination rates.

    When immunity wanes, vaccination has a far more limited impact on the average number of cases. While this observation has clear public-health implications, the dynamic consequences of the interaction between vaccination, waning immunity and boosting are far more striking. For high levels of vaccination (greater than 80%) and moderate levels of waning immunity (greater than 30 years), large-scale epidemic cycles can be induced. [28]

    10. High titer measles vaccines increased death rates in poor countries

    Due to the lack of understanding that the measles vaccine uses up vitamin A stores, and a complete focus on antibody response, vaccination sometimes resulted in a higher death rate.

    Previous studies have shown excess mortality and immune abnormalities among girls immunized with high titer measles vaccine 2 to 4 years after immunization… our results showed that serum vitamin A concentrations were depressed after measles vaccination, irrespective of whether it was the monvalent or combined measles vaccine. [41]

    14. Measles is not serious in well-nourished people.

    Just how bad is measles? As we have seen, historically measles was a seriously problematic disease which was often deadly. Even today in poorly nourished children the mortality due to measles is 200-400 times greater than in the well-nourished in developed counties. [53]

    Measles remains one of the leading causes of childhood mortality in countries where malnutrition, poor sanitation, and inadequate medical care are prevalent . . . Measles is often a fatal disease among socioeconomically deprived children in tropical countries. [54]

    Yet, when there is a reported case of measles (which we have learned is really MLI) the health officials and media become apoplectic and fill the public with irrational fear instead of using any logical and reasonable attempts at education. For example, public health officials could recommend the use of vitamin A, vitamin C, fluids and bed rest to ameliorate any problems with measles.

    The efficiency of the cellular immune system is tied to the intake of dietary nutrients, including vitamin A, vitamin C, zinc, selenium, and protein rich in vitamin B. Poor nutrition leads to impaired cellular immune responses, which results in worse outcomes after measles infection or exposure. [57]

    This is one very important and thorough article, and historically speaking as well.

    Read more: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/06/24/measles-and-measles-vaccines-fourteen-things-to-consider-by-roman-bystrianyk-co-author-dissolving-illusions-disease-vaccines-and-the-forgotten-history/#sthash.xptCslwP.dpuf

  • Tids1960

    Lazarus and I have a history…
    He don’t take kindly to what I say… and I, don’t care for his drug pushing agenda…

  • It’s cherry picked simply because it has Cuba and omits Costa Rica? And that’s all it takes to be considered as, cherry picked? The effect goes away if you look at the USA middle class mortality rate? Really? And do you have actual data to show and prove that? Lets see it.

    Coincidentally the US is also one of the most highly vaccinated for numbers and doses.

    Graph of the day: The United States has a really high infant mortality rate
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/09/graph-of-the-day-the-united-states-has-a-really-high-infant-mortality-rate/

    Infant Death Rate: U.S. Falls Behind 68 Countries, According To Save The Children
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/08/infant-death-rate-in-us_n_3237776.html

    WHAT’S BEHIND THE HIGH U.S. INFANT MORTALITY RATE
    http://stanmed.stanford.edu/2013fall/article2.html

    U.S. has highest first-day infant mortality out of industrialized world, group reports (coincidentally most infants as well get the Hep B vaccine within those first 24 hours)
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-has-highest-first-day-infant-mortality-out-of-industrialized-world-group-reports/

    Multiple Infant Vaccines Linked To Dramatically Increased Mortality
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/multiple-infant-vaccines-linked-dramatically-increased-mortality

    Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
    http://het.sagepub.com/content/32/5/464.full

  • In regard to vaccines; what about the incidence of increased levels of chronic illness, learning disorders, ADHD, autism, allergies, asthma, diabetes, and cancer in children? All of which you I am sure will either claim that there is no proof and nor evidence of that said increase; or if so, that you have no idea why this said increased incidence is now so increased, and at such near epidemic numbers.

    Even the CDC’s own data shows the level of this health care epidemic. So, as well would you claim to that you absolutely KNOW, that there is no connection to now quadrupled in number, number of vaccines and doses, and that since the 1987 enactment of the federal (no liability) vaccine court?

    And what is your reply?

    DOES THIS ALL LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT WHEN INJECTED – WILL PRODUCE HEALTH – AND HEALTHY HUMAN BEINGS??? DOES IT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT YOU AFTER HAVING BEEN FEAR MONGERED ABOUT SO CALLED HORRIBLE VACCINE PREVENTABLE DISEASES – SIMPLY CAN NOT LIVE WITHOUT? AND DO YOU THINK THAT THE CDC, FDA, AND BIG PHARMA ARE ALL ACTUALLY LOOKING OUT FOR YOU AND TO PROVIDE FOR AND TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH? IF YOU THINK SO, QUITE OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD BE WRONG.

    Adjuvants in Vaccines

    The Toxic Ingredients in Innoculations

    Most people who vaccinate their children do not realize the kind of ingredients contained in vaccines—and even if they do know, they may not fully understand what that particular ingredient does or what it means. This article is written to help those individuals better understand what they are injecting into the bodies of their loved ones.

    What prompted me to put this list together was the staggering number of people reporting adverse reactions to vaccines. I wanted to know why so many children experience many of the same reactions. What I found was that many of the adverse reactions fit into many of the side effects of many ingredients contained in vaccines. Please educate before you vaccinate! Don’t wait for something bad to happen before you begin researching vaccines.

    INGREDIENTS OF COMMON VACCINES

    DTaP (Infanrix) (Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis) Aluminum Hydroxide, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldehyde, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polysorbate 80

    DTaP (Tripedia) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Ammonium Sulfate, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Sodium Phosphate

    DTaP/Hib (TriHIBit) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Ammonium Sulfate, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Sucrose

    DTaP-IPV (Kinrix) Aluminum Hydroxide, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde, Lactalbumin Hydrolysate, Monkey Kidney Tissue, Neomycin Sulfate, Polymyxin B, Polysorbate 80

    DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix) (DTaP, Hep B and Polio) Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Phosphate, Bovine Protein, Lactalbumin Hydrolysate, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldehyde, Monkey Kidney Tissue, Neomycin, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polymyxin B, Polysorbate 80, Yeast Protein

    DtaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel) (DTaP, HIB and Polio) Aluminum Phosphate, Bovine Serum Albumin, Formaldehyde, Glutaraldehyde, MRC-5 DNA and Cellular Protein, Neomycin, Polymyxin B Sulfate, Polysorbate 80, 2-Phenoxyethanol

    Hib/Hep B (Comvax) Amino Acids, Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Dextrose, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Mineral Salts, Sodium Borate, Soy Peptone, Yeast Protein

    READ MORE: http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/vaccination/adjuvants-in-vaccines/

    Dr Theresa Deisher – Worldwide Autism Epidemic & Human Fetal Manufactured Contaminated Vaccines
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bc6WX33SuE

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

  • Andrew Lazarus

    No. More than half of the sick at Disneyland were unvaccinated. Not random, but the ones who got measles. That is exactly my point. The unvaccinated were 20 (or more) times as likely to get sick.

    Please clean the spittle off your monitor; it is keeping you from understanding elementary English sentences.

    Lurkers: Do you really want to take medical advice from people who apparently can’t read?

  • The said study references were in regard to the shown lack of efficacy of the measles vaccine, and also detailing the reasons for that. The evidence for the said 86% claim is simply involving independent data that has been known regarding that said Disneyland outbreak. I made no statement that the journal studies were in regard to the said data in regard to the past Disneyland outbreak issue. You obviously made a point to get that confused, and for your own argumentative purposes. Did you even bother to review that said above article, at all? Obviously not.

    I will as well post the other half of what I previously did; and hopefully this time you will see it.

    That said outbreak data information was from news media sources in the article, and as well that data was more of it in a previous reply that I today made here. Apparently you missed that.

    Disney, Measles and the Fantasyland of Vaccine Perfection

    8. If vaccines work, the vaccinated should be protected. If they don’t work, ask yourself why are you allowing them and exposing your child to such incredible risks?

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/01/disney-measles-and-the-fantasyland-of-vaccine-perfection.html

    The Measles Vaccine Deadly Scam

    “As many as 86% of those who caught measles at Disneyland were fully up to date on their MMR.”

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_measles.htm

    The already long existing and the real study science has already long since, shown us what the REAL truth is.

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.
    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract
    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

    Measles Vaccines Part I; Ineffectiveness of Vaccination and Unintended Consequences. ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD) – See more at:http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/18/the-ineffectiveness-of-measles-vaccines-and-other-unintended-consequences-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

    Measles Vaccines Part II; Benefits of Contracting Measles ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD)
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/29/measles-vaccines-part-ii-benefits-of-contracting-measles-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

    The truth about the measles, natural immunity, and the vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-truth-about-the-measles-natural-immunity-and-the-vaccine.html

    Measles and mumps protect against heart attack and stroke!
    by Dr. Jack Wolfson
    Referenced article:
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/measles-and-mumps-protect-against-heart-attack-and-stroke/

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease – See more at:
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    Autism Parents Reply to CNN: ‘Hear This Well’
    Correspondent’s remark sparks grassroots video campaign in which parents tell their stories
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/933954-autism-parents-reply-to-cnn-hear-this-well/?photo=2

    Hear This Well Parents Speak Out
    by Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence263 videos317,704 views
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Let’s start the research with your own post. Notice that we agree that the poor parts of the USA have dismal infant mortality rates: Alabama and Mississippi are poor. But that comes from our political indifference to health care for the poor, not vaccines. There are also some technical issues: some of the other countries count as stillbirths what the USA counts as a dead infant, but the big issue is poverty.

    Lurkers: Notice that nworder didn’t think about the implications of the state-level variation in his own post. That’s because antivaxers don’t think. They copy and paste to fit their own various conspiracy theories.

  • Bonnie Jacobus

    When was Pediatrix approved? They started combining this cocktail with other vaccines and an Atty told me the reported issues such as asthma, pneumonia, etc were only observations and not trial results! Terminology seems to protect everyone but our children.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Do you have data that 86% of the measles patients from Disneyland were sick, or don’t you? Why should I wade through your wall of links to find your data for this?

    Lurkers: Some of these links are about measles outbreaks in highly-vaccinated populations. Notice, they don’t tell you how many of the sick were in the small number of unvaccinated exceptions, or, if they do, these exceptions are way over-represented in the sick cohort. Somehow, antivaxers think that if 2% of a school that skipped the vaccine comprise 25% of the sick kids, that’s a loss for vaccines. Think about that.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Did you know that an antitoxin for diphtheria was developed 40-odd years before the vaccine, to save the sick?

    Are you going to argue that the invention of the Iron Lung is good reason to skip the polio vaccine? Yes, I believe you are going to argue that.

  • You can just spare us all from having to read that kind of twisted trash, Lazarus.

    Background on Outbreak

    As of Friday, California had confirmed 133 cases of measles in the state linked to the outbreak that began at Disneyland. Of those, at least 57 had not been vaccinated.

    Details of Research

    For the research, experts from Boston Children’s Hospital and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology examined data on the California outbreak, historical information and other data points.

    They found that the vaccination rate among individuals that were exposed to measles during the outbreak that began at Disneyland was between 50% and 86% — far lower than the 96% vaccination rate required to maintain herd immunity.

    http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2015/3/17/low-vaccination-rates-to-blame-for-disneyland-measles-outbreak

    That to me would not be a very good selling point in regard to the efficacy of the measles vaccine!!!

    Never is it ENOUGH vaccination, and always its the unvaccinated to blame, for what actually exists as obvious vaccine failure.

    Disney, Measles and the Fantasyland of Vaccine Perfection

    1. Has there been any laboratory confirmation of even one case of the supposed measles related to Disneyland? If yes, was the confirmed case tested to determine whether it was wild-type measles or vaccine-strain measles? If not, why not?

    2. Did you know that historical statistical figures for reported measles cases have been fraught with error?

    3. Why isn’t the media reporting on the ineffectiveness and the dangers of the MMR vaccine, as exposed and evidenced by recent whistleblowers…2 from Merck, and 1 from the CDC?

    4. Why have parents been denied choice with regards to being allowed to choose monovalent vaccines over the trivalent MMR vaccine?

    5. Clearly, the MMR is not the highly effective vaccine it is touted to be, as evidenced by so many vaccinated individuals reportedly contracting the measles (and mumps, for that matter). Nor is the MMR vaccine the highly safe vaccine it is touted to be, as evidenced by reports to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System.

    6. If babies under age 12-15 months are contracting actual measles, one must ask 2 questions: a.) Is the mom exclusively breastfeeding so that maternal immunity is being passed on to her baby? If not, the baby misses out on important protection gained from its mother’s immunity, and may be more susceptible to illness. (I realize that not every mother is able to breastfeed. I have helped a mother who didn’t produce enough breastmilk to connect with other nursing mothers who were willing to share their surplus, which is something moms in this situation might want to consider). If the baby was unable to nurse properly from the get-go, look no further than the effects of the birth dose of the Hep B vaccine, which has been shown to negatively affect innate infant reflexes needed to locate a mother’s breast and latch on to it. b.) If the mom was vaccinated with the MMR herself at any point, her ability to acquire and pass on natural, protective immunity to her infant via breastfeeding has been impaired, possibly ruined…meaning the vaccine is to blame, not the unvaccinated.

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    7. If parents are taking their very young children to dirty, unsanitary places with thousands and thousands of people, they have made the choice to expose their children to multitudinous germs and illnesses from multitudinous people, leaving them in no position to finger point at others.

    8. If vaccines work, the vaccinated should be protected. If they don’t work, ask yourself why are you allowing them and exposing your child to such incredible risks? Furthermore, if they don’t work, as is often the case, feel free to have your child vaccinated again and again (no one is stopping you), but don’t expect others to vaccinate their children with scores of products that have long track records of not working and of wreaking havoc

    9. It was not ever, is not today, and will not be tomorrow my child’s job to protect your child, in any way, shape, or form. That is the parent’s job. Period.

    10. There is no longer any excuse, nor is it acceptable, for any parent, doctor, media person, elected official, or government regulator to state the false claims that vaccines are safe and effective.

    11. Vaccine mandates for children are extremely age discriminatory, and parents should begin to sue over this fact.

    12. It is time to stop delegating your health care decisions to your pediatrician and instead become your own expert.

    13. Glimpse of our future, which has actually already arrived. Have you thought about who is going to be able to defend our country now that we have children being environmentally injured to the extent of 1 in 6 having a neurodevelopmental disorder (that’s code name for brain damage), 1 in 11 having asthma, 1 in 12 having food allergies (some of which are life-threatening, and all of which are life-altering), 1 in 50 having Autism, 1 in 400 having Type 1 Diabetes, many having GI and colon problems, seizure disorders, etc.?

    14. If you still are not getting the picture, then please hotfoot it over to your nearest elementary, junior high, or high school and ask to see the special education classrooms (that’s right, plural, classrooms).

    15. A warning, one I wish had been issued to me back in 1992: Beware of those “well-baby” appointments. Your baby may never be well again if you allow him/her to be vaccinated.

    Please don’t be led like a lamb to the slaughter with your baby in hand, and a fistful of syringes in the nurse’s hand…syringes destined for your tiny baby’s developing body, ready to destroy its immune system, nervous system, neurological development, and health, all in one fell swoop. Those syringes might even take your child’s life.

    Don’t be manipulated. Be responsible for making your own well-researched decisions.

    Laura Hayes

    Mother of Vaccine Injured Children

    Passionate about educating others and encouraging them to learn about the myriad dangers and inefficacies of vaccines, the fallacy of the theory behind them, and the vast web of fraud and deception involved in supporting and mandating them

    Read more:
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/01/disney-measles-and-the-fantasyland-of-vaccine-perfection.html

    Low Vaccination Rates To Blame for Disneyland Measles Outbreak

    Only 14% of people in Disneyland measles outbreak were unvaccinated, but it’s 100% their fault, claims propaganda

    A new study published in the journal JAMA Pediatrics claims to delineate the source and spread of measles during the widely hyped Disneyland measles outbreak, of course blaming the unvaccinated for this ridiculous non-event. But the data points presented in the study reveal that the vast majority of those who caught measles had previously been vaccinated, and yet the outbreak is still somehow being blamed 100% on the unvaccinated.

    According to information from the study presented by California Healthline, as many as 86% of those who caught measles at Disneyland were fully up to date on their MMR vaccinations for measles, mumps and rubella. This means that none of them should have gotten measles, if you believe the official story anyway.

    Read more:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/049351_measles_outbreak_MMR_vaccine_Disneyland.html

    Studies Show Measles is Spread by Vaccinated Individuals
    http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/studies-show-measles-is-spread-by-vaccinated-individuals/

  • Al Mather

    Not a mason…never claimed to do lot’s of study. Certainly no expert. Which still eminently qualifies me to call BS on most posters here. Especially the likes of you and Doctor Joke here.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Why would anyone take medical advice from someone who can’t do a 4th-grade percentages problem? Look at your own copy-pasted post. First you write

    As of Friday, California had confirmed 133 cases of measles in the state linked to the outbreak that began at Disneyland. Of those, at least 57 had not been vaccinated.

    but then you write

    Only 14% of people in Disneyland measles outbreak were unvaccinated

    Your own first quote says that at least 57/133=43% are not vaccinated. Where does the 14% number come from—thin air? Why am I supposed to pay attention to anything you write, if it’s internally inconsistent and incoherent?

    We see you are innumerate. Is there any doubt you are similarly illiterate, unable to comprehend the various medical and pseudo-medical articles you excerpt?

  • That reference source is absolutely worthless in referencing anything much at all in regard to the vaccine caused ischemia issue. As well what do you not get about the issue of strokes. Do the elderly people who have strokes as well have evidence of ischemia all over their body, and in their organs? What do you as well not understand about that there are significant differences between the vascular territories of the brain, and lets say that of the liver or another organ. As I told as well told you before, those ischemic events WERE showing up on MRI, as small white puffs after the ischemia/hypoxia had healed somewhat after vaccination, and which indicated new fine end vascular blood vessel growth, attempt to compensation and repair the blood flow. Doctors were said to simply not realize what they were looking at on the MRI, and often inappropriately treated it as something else, and also while often only making matters only worse.

  • And still you are attempting to run this man down, and still without any actually documented and directly verified evidence, and as to what you are stating and accusing. Pathetic .

  • Al Mather

    Most Ischemic events are caused by blood clots in the brain… Mouldy claimed the blood itself thickened to a point it could not pass through the tiny capillaries …which exist THROUGHOUT the body. The thickened blood would travel throughout not just the brain.
    The damage to the brain tissue and perivascular inflammation would be visible in MRIs.. as well damage visible and detectable in other tissue throughout the body and the vascular system.

  • guest

    The Science Blogs trolls have arrived which means Vac Truth has hit a nerve in the pro-vaccine apologist camp. Welcome Katia, Andrew Lazarus and all their up arrow brethren. Proponent would be here but I think she was banned about a year ago along with nonation. They can still up arrow though.

  • Really? And just how would you know what the sister, which is actually a half sister, actually said? After Andrews death; I talked directly to that sister by phone, more than once. I know what she initially stated, and it was entirely the opposite, of what she later stated. I can read between the lines, and is all I will say on it. His previously closest friends, as well know that he was murdered; and there is no question in their mind.

  • MOLLY29

    gfy you troll. Vaccines are the biggest lying scam perpetrated on mankind yet. Do the research before you beak off with your ignorant comments.

  • MOLLY29

    Katia you are just another troll so GFY.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Molly, I am awed by the level of research you have done on polio incidence. I am sure everyone reading this will want to join your group, based on the knowledge, sagacity, and intelligence you display. But, can you explain how polio was going away on its own if 1952 was a near-record year for it?

  • Lets see your evidence for all that? Direct me with a reference link to what you are claiming. Where is there evidence of these said and so called, and alleged Doctor Jack lies? You sound more like a mad man calling himself a tradesman, that either got the wrong medication, or went off his medication, and that has had a gone mad psychiatric incident?

  • MOLLY29

    You make me laugh….what graph are you looking at. The one that was manufactured by the CDC or perhaps the drug companies graph. They do their own testing not the FDA. Putting the Fox in charge of the henhouse. Don’t for get to go and get all your vaccines, especially the shingles and hopefully you will find out what shingles is, you dupe or probably a troll.

  • Al Mather

    It’s already been put up in other discussions Lowell. DO A LITTLE RESEARCH.

  • What do you call all of the thousands of existing vaccine injured children? Is that not an act of culling the herd? All the existing vaccine injured children that you of course, must deny exist. What about all the adverse reactions to drugs, malpractice and medical errors, that all in all make the standard medical model now the leading cause of death in the US? What do you call that? Culling the herd? What do you call all the people harmed and lives ruined by psychiatric drugs, which have had absolutely zero physiologically based science, behind them? Culling the herd? Why do you wear sunglasses, and use a fake name?

    Death By Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

    SSRI Stories (An endless list of pharma drug caused death, murder, and homicide).
    http://ssristories.org/

  • Al Mather

    You are delusional Lowell. You think this guy was your friend. You have mythologized him. Now you are making up conspiracies about “murder”.. You are a sad,sad guy Lowell. She posted it on her Facebook page and it is still there.

  • The only one obviously blathering here is you; and I can respond anywhere that I choose to, and just as you do. You surely do not handle it well, now do you; and when people point out your nonsense filled replies, and put you in your place.

  • Katia

    I had shingles disease thanks to having had chickenpox. The rate of shingles is much lower following the vaccine.

    Funny you think the FDA is so credible while you think CDC is not! Both are government agencies, you dope!

  • Al Mather

    I was having a go at Ang, Lowell. Who is now posting as Pathologist. SHE was confused and accusing Nworder of being a Pharma shill. None of which YOU are able to pick up on because your “condition” doesn’t seem to lend itself to you grasping humor, sarcasm, or subtleties in banter. And…nor.

  • The CDC and Paul Offit are NOT credible sources. I would rather spend all day reading at whale.to’s vaccine and medical history pages; than to ever even think of going to the CDC to learn any truth; simply because there isn’t any independent/unbiased information there

  • Why do you not accept the science on this page then; you cherry picker? You said if its science that it as to be true. I think you need to retire as well, from your vaccine shilling job.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

  • WanttobeGalt

    I am surprised you admitted a vaccine did not work. Is that failure based on no supporting stats could be generated OR bad theory.

  • Al Mather

    But since you asked..http://correctivenutrition.com/13001.html
    Degree program and college that Google has never heard of.. He’s a BS artist. Some online herbal nutrition course from some unaccredited degree mill no doubt..

  • Katia

    The lizard people will get you if the Illuminati don’t! John Scudamore will tell you that.

  • What are the odds of wild measles caused deafness, verses the odds of vaccine immunological harm and disregulation, vaccine injury, vaccine caused chronic illnesses, autoimumune disorders, and also autism, etc???

    And how old are you, and are you sure that you did not have the more severe form of atypical measles caused by the earlier and ineffective killed form of measles vaccine? That, and then being exposed to wild measles and/or the live measles vaccine strain of the pathogen? Tell me, have you explored that possibility? Information on that was earlier posted here.

  • No, what Paul Offit’s CHOP site puts forth, that is a crock of compost, or worse.

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    A More Rigorous Defense of Al Adjuvant, and Why it is Wrong
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    VRM: The Problem With Vaccines Part 2 – Synergistic Effect of Heavy Metal Toxicity On The Body
    http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=6097

    Paul Offit-The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/paul-offit—the-real-truth.html

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

  • Sounds like they already got you, Katia. Check the back of your head for any lumps, there might be a big pharma mind control chip in there.

  • Al Mather

    ” I’m not wasting my time endlessly going through a pile of he said, she said multiple, multiple link trash like that.”
    This from the reigning king of volume garbage scatterbrained unrelated non sequitor posting. That is truly funny coming from you Lowell.

  • You already admitted that you now know that Pathologist, is NOT some person you know as Ang. I can grasp humor really well, and likely far better than you. There is no humor in what you were doing; and you might as well just admit that it was just all a bunch of complete nonsense, and obvious stupidity on your part. Quite obviously it remains your actual condition that is in question. You can try and deny that, and lie your way out of that, all that you want.

  • Katia

    Thank you. I’m honored to be welcomed!

  • Katia

    I prefer more realistic fiction than that. You know, murder mysteries solved by cats, ghosts, vampires, etc.

  • Wow, this looks and sounds really good, to me? I would much rather go with that than a standard big pharma medical model that is now since a well done 2003 study, known as its drugs and protocols, to be representing the 1st leading cause of DEATH in America? Wouldn’t you? Why not? Are you yet to brainwashed and yet to munching on that fake big pharma grass? You, are the REAL BS artist, Al Mather; just wake up and face it.

    1988-1994 AMERICAN COLLEGE OF HEALTH SCIENCES – Ph.D. BIOPHYSIOLOGY

    1988-1994 RETURNED TO ACADEMIA – EARNED DOCTORATE IN BIOPHYSIOLOGY

    1995-PRESENT – PRIVATE HEALTH CONSULTING PRACTICE

    biophysiology

    (bi″o-fiz-e-ol´ә-je) that portion of biology including organogenesis, morphology, and physiology.

    CURRICULUM VITAE

    A curriculum will be designed specifically to suit your particular circumstances as the learning process unfolds. The following list does not encompass all topics nor is it necessarily in any order. That being said, there are certain basic concepts that you will need to understand thoroughly in order to develop the proper foundation for more advanced learning.

    The Three Major Devolutionary Stages of Disease Progression

    The Nature and Purpose of Disease

    The Seven Stages of the Disease Process

    The Immense Wisdom and Providence of the Body

    What Causes Disease? What Causes Health?

    The History and Nature of Curing

    READ more:
    http://correctivenutrition.com/20001.html

    http://physiology.case.edu/

  • Looks like I just did, and now doesn’t it, you fool!!!

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Fake name? Funny, my mom told me it is my real name. Lurkers: Notice the usual antivax level of accuracy?

  • I think my personal ability and expertise, eminently qualify me to call your bulls$t, Al Mather. That, and any and all posters reply posting BS that are here. How am I doing, so far? LOL.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    I am one of the 750,000 cases of measles in 1958, before invention of the vaccine.

  • You didn’t answer my question. There are two parts to it.

  • Al Mather

    In your deluded drug addled mind…probably awesome.

  • Al Mather

    “and now doesn’t it” ??

  • Katia

    Odds of ear infection from measles, 10%, per CDC. That’s a frequent cause of deafness from measles. It’s a complication I got. And yes, I had wild measles pre-vaccine.

    Odds of allergic reaction to vaccine-1 in 1,000,000. No “immunological harm”. That’s woo nonsense. Vaccine injury? Permanent? Vanishingly small, maybe zero. Vaccine caused chronic illness-zero. Autoimmunie disorders-probably zero. Autism-definitely zero.

  • Really? And is that your actual picture? And whats up with that? Lurkers? Really? I think you are actually psychotic, and I have seen your reply posting for a long time. You are always a last resort send into the game, when the situation and the going gets bad for the pro-vax liars side. Don’t even begin to try and deny it.

  • Al Mather

    I’m sure it looks up and up to you Lowell… you have proven well your inability to spot fantasy and lies. I’m sure the fact that no such college or course of study exist wouldn’t bother you either.
    Stop and ask yourself though.. If he lies right from the beginning on his website before you even meet him.. about who he is and what he has accomplished (like Moulden!) where do you think it’s going to go from there?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    750,000 clinical cases in the USA in 1958. I was not one of the 48,000 hospitalized.

    Even antivaxers can’t get deaths/year from MMR past 11. Wild measles, about 400. The odds of injury from the wild disease are much greater.

    Not that numbers mean much to you; you still haven’t managed to untangle how many Disney measles cases were unvaccinated.

  • Katia

    Tell my great-grandmother that (when you arrive in heaven. If you go the other way, she won’t be there!) She lost three kids in three weeks to a diphtheria epidemic, also had a stillbirth during the epidemic. Sounds like fun, doesn’t it?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    I am flattered by your thought that I bat clean-up for Merck, but it isn’t true.

    I find your desire to know my name and features slightly alarming. So, is it true you have at least 5 DUI convictions, or is that another inaccurate Internet rumor?

  • Then you admit that you are here to do nothing but any needed lying that you need to do, and that you a lost piece of mislead and untruthful work known as just another vaccine shill. No more need be said and nor realized.

  • Katia

    No, we’re trying our darndest to educate you woo-woo believers!

  • Katia

    Huh?

  • Katia

    “And by Their Friends Ye Shall Know Them”

    Be careful of the lizards!

  • You mean, volumes of referenced to, independent studies, data, and vaccine truth. What is truly hypocritical and not so funny, but entirely stupid, is your level of ineffective and mindless rant reply posting, filled with unverified hear say references, and nothing more; then calling me the reigning king of volume garbage scatterbrained unrelated non sequitor posting. I never have known a single real vaccine shill, that was not entirely and majorly absorbed in their own complete, and an entirely blind level of hypocrisy.

  • Al Mather

    and nor.

  • You are both in denial and also delusional!!! I know what she said, because I talked to her personally. And I also know that the real family is staying entirely silent; and even in talking to her. Someone got them them, and that is my impression; either that or they know and see the issues that, and they just know it must stay silent, for their own protection. They know he is dead and they can’t bring him back, so all they can do now is save themselves. There is nothing else left to save. Why has no one ever seen the death report and certificate, and nor the autopsy report? Why was he immediately cremated?

  • Tids1960

    G. Edward Griffin makes the argument that the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations began to support the AMA in an effort to control the medical schooling establishment and to gain power over this “large and vital sphere of American life.”

    The AMA FDA and CDC became one big happy crony ran cartel… add Big pharma and the PPACA to the mix… and you have the perfect storm of socialism…

  • I just put the reference for that and what you asked for, right in front of you and on the reply post that you asked the question. Obviously you either did not go review and read your reply, or you are just lying. Which is it?

    You deny the real vaccine risks, and you do not care what they are. Just admit to that. As well please try and compose a reply post with data in it, that is and at least makes an attempt to be logical and coherent?

  • Al Mather

    And nor. You are gone dude. Just delusional and out there. Ding… ding.. ding. He wasn’t your friend Lowell. He committed suicide. His sister isn’t lying.People get cremated because that’s what lot’s of people do with their loved ones remains. Especially in cases of suicide. https://www.facebook.com/DrAndrewMoulden/posts/619339934789403
    You need help Lowell.

  • I just explained all of that to you. You simply ignored it and came me right back in with the same incorrect, misleading and false claims. Don’t even bother to tell me that you are not a paid off vaccine shill to do what you do. You operate in the same exact form and fashion that all of the rest of them are known to do. Same old in denial garbage and it is the same old blind and lying format as always, repeat, repeat.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Yeah, you got the 14% from an antivax site, and three paragraphs earlier you put the (correct) numbers of at least 43%. Why don’t you reconcile that discrepancy first, and then get back to us?

  • CharlieB1972

    Anti-vaxxer #1: OOH! OOH! OOH! I think that…INCREASED SUGAR CONSUMPTION caused polio!

    Anti-vaxxer #2: OOH! OOH! OOH! I think that…DDT caused polio!

    Anti-vaxxer #3: OOH! OOH! OOH! I think that…THE SMALLPOX VACCINE caused polio!

    We can always count on the anti-vaxxers to deliver a cacophony of woo.

  • CharlieB1972

    LOL, measles cases are down by about 99.9% in the US since the vaccine was introduced in 1963. Whooping cough cases have risen in recent years, but are still far below the levels of the pre-vaccine era.

    Vaccinated children are more unhealthy than unvaccinated children? You guys keep demanding an incredibly elaborate double blind study to show the safety of vaccines. Why don’t you do one to prove your argument?

  • CharlieB1972

    Your body produces far more formaldehyde in one day than you get from a vaccine.

  • CharlieB1972

    Infant mortality has declined in the US even as more vaccines are being given.

  • CharlieB1972

    By 1976, smallpox had been nearly eradicated thanks to the vaccine, so that’s why we stopped vaccinating. Smallpox killed an estimated 300 million to 500 million people in the 20th Century alone. Wiping it out was the biggest win of all time for vaccines!

  • Wow, six all are vaccine shills, likes for you, and all watching this right now. And are they all in the next lying and paid off shilling cubicles that are next to you; and/or how are they and you obviously connected? It must be almost like watching the Super Bowel, huh? Pathetic. We need people in here that are actually willing to reply post in honesty.

    And you apparently ignored the other reply post that you asked for the reference that showed that 86% number, and that was replied to. How do you explain the differences in the numbers?

    Background on Outbreak

    As of Friday, California had confirmed 133 cases of measles in the state linked to the outbreak that began at Disneyland. Of those, at least 57 had not been vaccinated. This is an official California Health line site. Who’ lying? It would more than be a guess that it is the source with the most to lose in the truth being known? That would be the logical conclusion. That is a major difference and conflict in alleged reported numbers.

    Details of Research

    For the research, experts from Boston Children’s Hospital and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology examined data on the California outbreak, historical information and other data points.

    They found that the vaccination rate among individuals that were exposed to measles during the outbreak that began at Disneyland was between 50% and 86% — far lower than the 96% vaccination rate required to maintain herd immunity.

    http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2015/3/17/low-vaccination-rates-to-blame-for-disneyland-measles-outbreak

    As to your link and as always withing a sate department nothing is ever revealed as to what types of testing were done, and for that matter is any testing was done at all to confirm their claims of so called confirmed cases. Was PCR testing used? What was used?

    Yet they sated that 5 cases are known to have a different genotype from the outbreak strain? Well what was that then; and wouldn’t that be important to know? They don’t want anyone to know.

    As for your study, I have seen those studies before, and they are all clearly contrived junk science that showed anything they intended and wanted to show, as always. I even have that comparison and those studies on my site page.

    Check it out.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-truth-about-the-measles-natural-immunity-and-the-vaccine.html

    Do you think this study source below would have any conflict of interest and with an obvious connection to vested interests in vaccines; and thus would have any need as well for the showing of the entirely the false benefits of vaccines, and no matter how bad that contrived junk science needed to be?

    2 Medical Scientist Training Program, School of Medicine, Emory University, Atlanta, GA, USA.

    The already long existing and the real study science has already long since, shown us what the REAL truth is.

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.
    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract
    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

  • CharlieB1972

    We’re down to a few hundred polio cases per year now from a few hundred thousand per year in the late 1980s. Big win for vaccines! In a few more years, the victory over polio will be complete. Then, it should be on to rubella. After that, we’re coming after the measles!

  • Welcome this!!!

    DOES THIS ALL LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT WHEN INJECTED – WILL PRODUCE HEALTH – AND HEALTHY HUMAN BEINGS??? DOES IT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT YOU AFTER HAVING BEEN FEAR MONGERED ABOUT SO CALLED HORRIBLE VACCINE PREVENTABLE DISEASES – SIMPLY CAN NOT LIVE WITHOUT? AND DO YOU THINK THAT THE CDC, FDA, AND BIG PHARMA ARE ALL ACTUALLY LOOKING OUT FOR YOU AND TO PROVIDE FOR AND TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH? IF YOU THINK SO, QUITE OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD BE WRONG.

    Adjuvants in Vaccines

    The Toxic Ingredients in Innoculations

    Most people who vaccinate their children do not realize the kind of ingredients contained in vaccines—and even if they do know, they may not fully understand what that particular ingredient does or what it means. This article is written to help those individuals better understand what they are injecting into the bodies of their loved ones.

    What prompted me to put this list together was the staggering number of people reporting adverse reactions to vaccines. I wanted to know why so many children experience many of the same reactions. What I found was that many of the adverse reactions fit into many of the side effects of many ingredients contained in vaccines. Please educate before you vaccinate! Don’t wait for something bad to happen before you begin researching vaccines.

    INGREDIENTS OF COMMON VACCINES

    DTaP (Infanrix) (Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis) Aluminum Hydroxide, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldehyde, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polysorbate 80

    DTaP (Tripedia) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Ammonium Sulfate, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Sodium Phosphate

    DTaP/Hib (TriHIBit) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Ammonium Sulfate, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Sucrose
    DTaP-IPV (Kinrix) Aluminum Hydroxide, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde, Lactalbumin Hydrolysate, Monkey Kidney Tissue, Neomycin Sulfate, Polymyxin B, Polysorbate 80

    DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix) (DTaP, Hep B and Polio) Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Phosphate, Bovine Protein, Lactalbumin Hydrolysate, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldehyde, Monkey Kidney Tissue, Neomycin, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polymyxin B, Polysorbate 80, Yeast Protein
    DtaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel) (DTaP, HIB and Polio) Aluminum Phosphate, Bovine Serum Albumin, Formaldehyde, Glutaraldehyde, MRC-5 DNA and Cellular Protein, Neomycin, Polymyxin B Sulfate, Polysorbate 80, 2-Phenoxyethanol

    Hib/Hep B (Comvax) Amino Acids, Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Dextrose, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Mineral Salts, Sodium Borate, Soy Peptone, Yeast Protein

    READ MORE: http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/vaccination/adjuvants-in-vaccines/

    Dr Theresa Deisher – Worldwide Autism Epidemic & Human Fetal Manufactured Contaminated Vaccines
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bc6WX33SuE

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Hilarious. “133 cases of measles in the state linked to the outbreak that began at Disneyland. Of those, at least 57 had not been vaccinated.”

    Please divide 57/133, which is the percentage unvaccinated in your own post and let us know the answer.

    I’m a little worried you are posting walls of text you don’t understand. Prove me wrong.

  • Is there absolutely not end to the number of vaccine shills, coming in here?

    That is just another typical load of vaccine shilling crap, straight out of your old, repeatedly failed, and worn out vaccine shilling debating manual.

    When will you vaccinators realize for one thing that you can not simply inject substances into the human body that you say already exist, and thus there is not need to do any physiologically based safety studies? Here is an a example of that. You think that injection of a substance is the same thing as if it was nothing more than the same substance as it already exists in the human body, and as it exists. This is not true, and it is not biologically correct. They assume that an injected does and no matter how small, will not have any effect in upsetting the natural balances in the human body. They can not even comprehend as well immunologically that injecting any substance will potentially cause allergic reactivity, and because of the unnatural nature of what they just did just put the immune system on high alert. They simply do not get it, and refuse to get it.

    Polysorbate 80 and Histidine, a marriage of disaster
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/080830

    As well, you simply can not create industrial grade formaldehyde, and think it is exactly one and the same chemical and as the small amount produced within the human body, as a product of metabolism. It clearly is not.

    .

  • That is correct.

    The Drug Story-A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.

    Chapter 1 What Nujol Started

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

  • I feel left out.

  • Tids1960

    explain

  • In and as to this articles story; and I want to make a specific point here, and as to the outcome. You can see what I am getting at, and referencing to below.

    My first point there is in that if the only thing we have left in the US for vaccine exemptions, and as to as they at the CDC want it; is then only the medical exemption; we are going to be seeing a lot more cases like those little Sebastian and his family experienced. Here is why. The entire criteria for medical vaccine exemptions is now all controlled and outlined by the CDC.

    Here below as well is their said outline that pediatricians and doctors are expected to go by. The only vaccine that actually lists a previous reaction which is the same as encephalitis and with high fever, as a contraindication to the vaccine, DTaP vaccine. Yet we have yet doctors out there than when a parent calls about their just vaccinated child with uncontrollable screaming and crying, that doctor tells them it is normal and give Tylenol. These doctors have never had any training in how to recognize a serious adverse reaction to vaccines. Instead they are told that such reactions literally do not exist, and it has to be something else.

    Furthermore, just because a child had a serious adverse reaction to one vaccine, and even vaccine injury, will NOT provide for a reason for there ever to be given a general medical exemption for all further vaccines. You can read what is there and how limited the reasons are for an allowed medical exemption. And this in regard to medical exemptions is what the public will be left with when all philosophical and religious vaccine exemptions are eliminated, leaving only the said medical exemption.

    This is and will be clearly and literally a VIOLATION of the Nuremberg Code situation; make no mistake about that.

    Who Should NOT Get Vaccinated with these Vaccines?
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/should-not-vacc.htm

    Vaccination: Who Should Do It, Who Should Not and Who Should Take Precautions
    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/whoshouldvax.htm

    Currently we have had after the deliberate Disneyland measles fear mongering scare campaign, a nationwide effort to state by state to eliminate all vaccine exemptions. That recently was successful in CA. Also which has also been met with a large attempted sign up referendum on SB277, and by parents and individuals that oppose the passing of that bill. The referendum seeks to block the bill and instead put it on the public and as well what will be the Presidential election ballot.

    You can see that three times this child was vaccinated, and on the third time, the vaccines being DTaP, hepatitis B, and HiB. This last visit had amounted to what is said as five vaccine doses in one day. The birth dose vaccine was obviously Hep B, The second visit for vaccines was stated as Hep B vaccine, but not what vaccines went along with that, and typically there would be others. The first two Hep B vaccines caused the child to get ill, it states, and the third time was the end all as far as resulting liver failure.No doctor out there would have recommended and nor provided a medical exemption, based on the described symptoms alone, that were evident as to these known vaccine reactions. What is the likely.. hood that any doctor would have ever done liver enzyme and function tests, but obviously they should have.They made no connection.

    We can go to a recognized study and see that there clearly are indications that Hep B vaccine can cause liver damage, and failure in those susceptible to it. Referenced below.

    Next in line we have a federal bill now out of Florida which seeks to eliminate personal and religious vaccine exemptions nationwide; leaving only a medical exemption. This bill is Federal Bill HR 2232

    New Federal Vaccine Mandate Proposed: All Shots Required, No Parental Exemptions:
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/new-federal-vaccine-mandate-proposed-all-shots-required-no-parental-exemptions/

    H.R.2232 – Vaccinate All Children Act of 2015
    114th Congress (2015-2016) | Get alerts
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2232/text

    Here is another irresponsible bill.

    New Federal Bill Lowers Standards for Experimental Vaccine Licensing
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/new-federal-bill-lowers-standards-for-experimental-vaccine-licensing/

    Here we have the CDC with their attempt to eliminate vaccine exemptions front group known as Naccho.

    The CDC’s Role in Undoing Vaccine Exemptions: the NACCHO Front Group
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdcs-role-undoing-vaccine-exemptions-naccho-front-group-1

    STATEMENT OF POLICY
    Eliminating Personal Belief Exemptions from Immunization Requirements
    for Child Care and School Attendance
    http://naccho.org/advocacy/positions/upload/11-06-Personal-Belief-Exemptions-2.pdf

    MEDICAL NUREMBERG FOR CDC NOW!!!
    http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/medical-nuremberg-for-cdc-now

    HHS(.)gov
    U.S. Department of Health & Human Services
    The Nuremberg Code
    http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/archive/nurcode.html

    Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights
    http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

    New Study: Hepatitis B Vaccine Damages The Liver
    http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/new-study-hepatitis-b-vaccine-damages-the-liver/

    Apoptosis. 2012 May;17(5):516-27. doi: 10.1007/s10495-011-0690-1.
    Hepatitis B vaccine induces apoptotic death in Hepa1-6 cells.

    We conclude that exposure of Hepa1-6 cells to a low dose of adjuvanted hepatitis B vaccine leads to loss of mitochondrial integrity, apoptosis induction, and cell death, apoptosis effect was observed also in C2C12 mouse myoblast cell line after treated with low dose of vaccine (0.3, 0.1, 0.05 μg/ml). In addition In vivo apoptotic effect of hepatitis B vaccine was observed in mouse liver.

    Read more:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22249285

    Hepatitis B Vaccination Causing Liver Damage
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHsD93HpjJ4

    HepB Vaccine Causes Liver Disease: Science Shows How
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/hepb-vaccine-causes-liver-disease-science-shows-how

    Hep B Vaccine Damages The Liver It Is Supposed To Protect
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/hep-b-vaccine-damages-liver-it-supposed-protect

    And as to what we see and as is often typically done in response such study information, is that the to much to lose standard medical model will produce an opposite findings, junk science study. That in denial of the issue and the problem. How evil is this?.Just like they say their big pharma connected studies show that measles vaccine protects from other chronic illness, and when the long standing real studies show just the opposite to be true, and that natural immunity to measles is what really primes the immune system correctly, and thus protects against chronic illness, and cancer; later in life. This is nothing but a medical mafia monopoly, that strictly controls all the information and junk science studies that the public receives, and to keep it all falsely in their knowingly more harm than good being done, favor. They will even send the study off to another country, in the attempt to portray that they had no part of it.

    Hep B Vaccination May Cut Deaths From Liver Disease
    Taiwan study highlights need for vaccination for all, U.S. expert says
    http://www.webmd.com/hepatitis/news/20130903/hepatitis-b-vaccination-cuts-deaths-from-liver-disease-cancer-study

  • Tids1960

    Formaldehyde is highly toxic to all animals, regardless of method of intake. Ingestion of 30 mL (1 oz.) of a solution containing 37% formaldehyde has been reported to cause death in an adult human.[36] Water solution of formaldehyde is very corrosive and its ingestion can cause severe injury to the upper gastrointestinal tract.
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    I can ONLY imagine what trace amounts can do if injected in to the blood stream…
    Mix that with any other trace amounts of toxins… and you might be drooling for the rest of your life… But don’t worry… You won’t know it

  • Tids1960

    Hold on… wait a minute… Let me wrap my mind around this most hilarious response… Doc !

    So you’re saying the reason why … say the …measles…
    are not completely eradicated from this planet is …

    “Because not everyone is vaccinated against the diseases there are vaccines for” ~ Mike Stevens

    And here I thought you’re pushing drugs… for some pharmaceutical company who probably knows 20 to 30 years down the line are going to make billions off of their drugs…
    caused by a vaccine 20 to 30 years ago…
    PRICELESS

    So how does that scenario play out Doc ?

    Mike : You need to be vaccinated for Solar Febreeze
    Tids : But I don’t have Solar Febreeze…
    Mike : RIGHT ! That’s why you need to be vaccinated
    Tids : Won’t the vaccine give me Solar Febreeze ?
    Mike : YES ! But it gives you the cure for Solar Febreeze…
    Tids : But I don’t have Solar Febreeze
    Mike : I know… that’s why you need the cure…!
    Tids : Is there any other side effects from the Vaccine ?
    Mike : Outside of giving the disease to you and everyone around you, and making you sick, in 20 to 30 years your health will deteriorate, but that’s if it doesn’t make you a vegetable or kill you first.
    Tids : But I don’t have Solar Febreeze…

  • Tids1960

    To the Cartel vaccine drug pushers… You know who I’m talking about
    Here I thought you’re pushing drugs… for some pharmaceutical company who probably knows 20 to 30 years down the line… are going to make billions off of their drugs…
    caused by a vaccine 20 to 30 years ago…
    PRICELESS
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    Little did I know… You’re just collectivist Progressive Socialist trying to keep the population down…
    ~Margaret Sanger is so proud~

  • Here is what that CA Health line article stated.

    [Background on Outbreak

    As of Friday, California had confirmed 133 cases of measles in the state linked to the outbreak that began at Disneyland. Of those, at least 57 had not been vaccinated.

    Details of Research

    For the research, experts from Boston Children’s Hospital and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology examined data on the California outbreak, historical information and other data points.

    They found that the vaccination rate among individuals that were exposed to measles during the outbreak that began at Disneyland was between 50% and 86% — far lower than the 96% vaccination rate required to maintain herd immunity].

    Then your CA document states: Among measles cases for whom we have vaccination documentation, 57 were unvaccinated
    and 25 had 1 or more doses of MMR vaccine.

    That doesn’t even make sense, and as to how they used those 25 in the figures.

    I’m done arguing this pointless numbers argument. 76 people out of 133 in the outbreak were apparently vaccinated. Any way you look at it, that is and amounts to vaccine FAILURE, and there is no logical way to blame it all on lack of herd immunity, and have that stand up for any valid excuse. It surely is not a very good sales pitch for the efficacy of the vaccine, and obviously.

  • pathologist

    There is more measles now, than ever before, whooping cough outbreaks are more than ever before (yes even in 98%vaccinated herds)……… The vaccinated herds are now spreading the disease to all the rest of the vaccinated herd. Polio was gone in europe for 6 years.. then they said, oh better vaccinate, cause there might be a polio outbreak? none in 6 years? so they vaccinated, two kids with vaccine polio now, and they will be spreading it for 8 weeks………. If there is no illness, now they vaccinate to get it going again…….. no profit if there is no illness, is theire evil Mr Merck?
    44,000 with vaccination caused polio in India………. how greedy can USA and big pharma get?

    And look at the charts, all the diseases dropped before vaccination……….. Now we all vaccinated, they rising again?

  • pathologist

    Produces it where?? In the blood stream? doubt it. You talking about farting? We tolerates heaps of oxygen to, but if you inject that, you dead.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    More measles now? Despite your best efforts, we are still below 1000. 1958: 48,000 hospitalizations. You just make numbers up. Your charts are lies, or, more accurately, they are generally mortality charts that you misinterpret as incidence.

  • pathologist

    Well when they did the illegal gardasil trials in India, without constent (a trial), lots of girls got listed as “suicide”and other “drowned in well”……….yeah they finally investigating that one, the whistleblower has to have a 24 hour armed guard, Merck aint happy.

  • And you ignored everything I said.

    How is it a big win for polio vaccine, when you have also had over 40,000 cases of acute flaccid paralysis right within their circle of pushed OPV vaccines; and in that those numbers increased directly parallel to the big push and the use of those OPV vaccines? And a complete black out of any news on that issue, has existed in the US major media; why is that? How as well can the OPV be a success when you have as well this going on?

    Vaccines & Viruses: Vaccine-derived polio breaks out in Ukraine and Mali
    http://www.worldmag.com/2015/09/vaccines_viruses_vaccine_derived_polio_breaks_out_in_ukraine_and_mali

    How are you going to eradicate as well measles, when you have this going on? Outbreaks of both measles and pertussis where it was found to be 80 to 90% of the outbreak was in the fully vaccinated on schedule? Do you think they just made this stuff up? And you as well also disregard any and all benefits to natural immunity.

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • nworder

    I agree, vaccination is just another marketing campaign for more disease and more profit with eventual culling of the human race – nazi philsophy .

  • Andrew Lazarus

    The numbers argument isn’t pointless: the point is you can’t do 4th-grade division. No one who is not already a committed antivaxer will pay the slightest attention to your arguments under these circumstances, except to laugh at them.

    You continue to write that 86% of the sick were vaccinated, but here in your own post, you calculate it (probably too high) as 57%=76/113. You are just pasting material you think is evidence against the vaccine at random. You don’t understand any of it, any more than if it were in Chinese.

  • Multiple outbreaks are listed on this page for both measles and pertussis, where it was found that 80 to 90% of the outbreak existed in the fully vaccinated, on schedule. This data does not involve any mortality charts.

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • pathologist

    You are hilarious…. retract to the corner and try and throw insults, plently of references given, sure you can read and research them yourself. the thing is, with no DDT, and no small pox vaccinations, the epidemics disappeared, They THEN VACCINATED EVERYONE, THEN THEY BROUGHT ddt BACK IN A MIX IN THE 1980S, BIGGEST EPIDEMIC OF POLIO IN HISTORY (ALL IN FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE), banned DDT, no more polio……….. but now they just vaccinate to create a polio epidemic, called vaccine polio…………..

  • nworder

    Death is not incidence ? – new troll Kafkaesque speak .

  • I already did on my previous reply post, go read it; and I am tired of arguing this same subject matter on multiple disconnected reply posts. 76 out of 133 measles outbreak subjects were vaccinated. That in any way which you look at it, is a poor showing for efficacy of the measles vaccine, and you might as well just admit it. Anything further argued is pointless.

  • pathologist

    It amazes me, I had measles and chicken pox, my kids had it, it wasnt a problem, and they have real immunity. Mumps is a mild common childhood illness, whooping cough, bad dose of flu, mumps mild childhood illness………….But now, because of vaccines,( all those injected poisons, not necessary) ,the ones who are vaccinated are the ones, spreading whooping cough, measles, mumps, to babies, and the most vunerable. AND THEY DONT EVEN ALWAYS HAVE SIGNS OF THE DISEASE. Vaccinated immunity doesnt pass from mother to baby, the way real immunity does, so mothers are uwittingly killing their own babies, they are unable to pass on the natural immunity they would have had, except fror damn vaccines. Yes and babies die. Merck murder.

  • That is all a bunch of crap and there is no actual proof for it. He had as well close several friends who know he was murdered, and why he was murdered.

    You very sick, demented, twisted, cowardly, and pathetic excuse for human life. You are the person who obviously and clearly needs help. You just hate anyone who ever put forth the vaccine truth. What a sick man.

  • pathologist

    Check, again recently measles is on the rise, and so is whooping cough, and mumps in young college men……… not always reported in the USA, as USA dismisses it…(vaccinated dont always get the spots, or the whoop)… In Australia, Canada, UK, NZ, we test…. USA buries the evidence.

  • pathologist

    Ok why is whooping cough on the rise? If vaccines worked? Why is there measles outbreaks in 100% vaccinated groups?

  • Works pretty well, doesn’t it, and gets the point across very well. You very sick, antagonizing, and angry man.

  • How beyond stupid was that comment you just made..

  • You’re lying. Is it that do not and can not comprehend what that means; or is it that you simply choose not to?

  • pathologist

    In 100% vaccinated herd…..Vaccine immunity lasts about 5 years………

    We will just take the pertussis vaccine. At vaccination it is 20% failure, at 5 years it is 70% failure, at 10 years 100% failure, to prevent pertussis…

    So in any herd, a herd of ten years…..you probably have 10% % who are truly immune to any of these illlnesses BECAUSE OF THE VACCINE> In 20 years, 5% immune because of the vaccine………… IN A 100% FULLY VACCINATED HERD………

    HPV vaccines are expected to last five years? how absurd vaccinating 9 year olds, when by the time they are 15 years old, they will have no immunity ……..anyway?

    It is pure absolute greed, by evil Pharma companies, that are making us sicker……… Now little babies are dying of whooping cough, yes 100% vaccinated herd? how?

  • nworder

    Plus is a baby you can multiply the concentrations by at least 24 – no wonder america has the highest infant death rate.

  • pathologist

    No it hasnt, USA has the highest infant mortality, especially afound the three vaccination times before 12 months, if you are wealthy it gets called SIDS, if you are poor they blame you for shaking you baby, and you go to jail.

  • nworder

    So EUROPE has no poor ? whit ?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    So, you are abandoning your 86-14 split for the sick cohort, since 76/133 isn’t 86%. Pity you won’t disregard all the other mistaken nonsense at the sites that suckered you into it. Even your 76 is wrong. If you go to the original source, only 25 are known to have been vaccinated. The rest were “unknown”, which could be vaccinated without documentation, or could be too embarrassed to admit to skipping vaccines on the recommendation of a Playboy Bunny.

    I mentioned this literally hours ago, but your treatment of threads as “paste-only” zones made you miss it.

    Even 76/133 is an excellent showing for the measles vaccine, on the assumption that 95% of the population is vaccinated. The calculation of relative risk and observed efficacy requires multiple divisions and you had trouble with just one, but in the expectation that there are lurkers for whom arithmetic is not so much effort, here goes. The relative risk is (57/5)/(75/95)=14.25. The numerators are the observed numbers in the sick cohort, and the denominators are the estimated split in the population. The result is that the unvaccinated are 14 times as likely to get sick, even on the overly generous assumption that all of the unknown-status cases were vaccinated. Efficacy is now 1-1/14.25=93%. That’s a little lower than the usual estimates, but it’s still good. [In case your calculator is out of battery, if we change the population split to 10% unvaccinated, the relative risk drops to 6.75 and efficacy to 85%—still a heck of a lot better than nothing!]

  • I never said I was interested in your identity. I said you are fake. You have posted with the same ridiculous picture for years, and I do know what i am talking about as to what kind of as shill you are.

    If you are claiming to be alarmed by anything, then that only shows how cowardly you really are. You just make it up as you go, and in the attempt to make it look as bad as you falsely can, and by whatever sick means that takes.

    I do not allow people with no identity to accuse me of anything in regard to my obvious open identity, and nor to do that in the form of attempted sick and false discreditation. People have been previously banned here on this site and for attempting to do so. Reported every time it happens. You obviously sick and desperate man.

  • pathologist

    OK Urban poor you dont care about……only look at USA middle class……….. USA middle class got sick kids, and lots of SIDS………….of course you are a paid troll………. can give you information direct from God, whoever your god may be, and you would disagree with it…….. you paid to do that. You got a water filter? Why?

  • Tids1960

    WHY would anyone EVER take medical advice from a software Engineer ?

    Oh… Sorry, “Senior” software engineer

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    Truecall

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    With TrueCall®, operators can answer vital questions, including:

    • Where are my demand hotspots?

    • Where are my customers using their devices?

    • How can I compare device performance on the network?

    • When and where should I deploy small cells?

    • How can I deliver a better VIP experience?

    • What is the impact to my network of a new device?

    • Where are my customers experiencing dropped calls?

    • How do I confidently deploy VoLTE at a lower cost?

    Looks to me like the AT&T and NSA partnership is getting some competition…

    ( but what do I know… Accordingly to the Cult this man is in…

    “I doubt that Tids ever got passed high school. Not that that’s a bad thing, but it does sort of disqualify him from this discussion.”
    ~ FsmPastapharian )
    DITTO
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    (o=

  • There is no evidence he lied about anything, period. How would you Mather be able to sort fantasy from fiction, and when your entire life is obviously being lived in a false and fantasy world?

  • nworder

    Made up stories

  • And I bet you see people deaf from measles everywhere?

    The one in a million figure is a flat out evil lie, and they know it. There is and has to be a very special place in hell for people like you.

  • How actually beyond dumb are you really?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    My principal interest in these discussions, besides public safety, is quantitative (il)literacy. Software engineers who trained in math are good at numbers. You can see that from my patient encouragement that Lowell Hubbs get out a calculator and see that his own post showed different percentages for the vaxed/unvaxed split in the Disney outbreak than his own data.

    Your primary source for medical advice should be your doctor, and almost all of them promote vaccines. (Many of the others are making enormous sums of money catering to the non-vaxed.)

  • Drug addled? And what drugs are those? Your lying. Paddling, And in your defective and delusional mind, you actually in any honesty believe that. But thanks for continuing you endless reply posting with only the intent of antagonizing me. You said you were going to stop reply posting on this article two days ago, alias Donald Monty, and alias Al Mather. Sure looks the same, to me.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    You say I’m fake, Tids1960 looks up my info. Why don’t you two hash that out and get back to me.

    I don’t allow people to accuse me of being fake, which also shows their research skills are zero.

  • pathologist

    Andrew in a 100% vaccinated herd, only 80% will have vaccine immunity after 5 years, only 30% will still have a vaccine immunity……after 10 years,none have vaccine immunity…..And the ones still with vaccine immunity can and do carry the disease, without showing symptoms themselves……. The vaccines are causing the illness.

    The real herd immunity is from real illness, real immune response. the horror of vaccines? The immunity is just temporary, and illness is masked……. So those with pertussis, measles with no sportts, 100% vaccinated, do spread it to EVERYONE! They spread to the vulnerable, because they dont have symptoms, or only mild symptoms, they dont know……..

  • bedachange

    You’re on crack.

  • Read this article right here. And educate yourself to the real statistics.

    Measles and measles vaccines: fourteen things to consider. ~by Roman Bystrianyk (co-author Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History)
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/06/24/measles-and-measles-vaccines-fourteen-things-to-consider-by-roman-bystrianyk-co-author-dissolving-illusions-disease-vaccines-and-the-forgotten-history/

  • What a big load of complete bull crap that was.

  • pathologist

    Then read the Canadian studies, a huge outbreak led back to a newly vaccianted person, who spread it to other vaccinated people…… The 86% vaccinated catch the disease would be correct. I had measles, was fine, didnt whammy me! Measles, mumps, pertussis, chicken pox, all mild childhood illnesses, and polio………….. until you add DDT to the mix, with polio, or you start vaccinating for the others………… now babies are dying of whooping cough, given to them by their own mothers, who despite veing fully vaccinated, with no symptoms, are giving it to their babies, but they have no maternal antibodies, to protect their own babies………. Merck are evil.

  • And Mississippi also known to have the highest vaccination rate, what a coincidence. And the entire graph and the information on the high rate of infant mortality comparatively to all other industrialized counties in comparison to the US, is now entirely blown to bits and shown as false information, by Mr Lazarus, because some countries do not count still births as deaths, like the US does. Then you add again another derogatory note in your Lurkers: trash bin.

    This entire reply posting section has become very sick as to its reply posting. It is now beyond what anyone cares to read, and attempt to stomach.

  • pathologist

    How did any of the vaccinated manage to catch measles? the vaccine doesnt work! Who on earth came up with the 95% vaccination rate, gives herd immunity? Who where? there has been outbreaks in 98% vaccination areas of measles, in Canada, and elsewhere, how?

  • pathologist

    yeah 76 were vaccinated, and they got sick, how can anyone say the vaccine worked?

  • pathologist

    So if 57% were vaccinated, how did they get sick? Any calculations you want to make, please tell me who all those fully vaccinated people caught measles? Why vaccinate, if it dont work? And those newly vaccinated “shed the illness” for weeks……… Why start of epidemics, by injecting people, to shed it? And if the vaccinated arent even immune, wow, what a con game Merck has going there?

  • pathologist

    Absolutely, I would guess the rate to be more like 80% minimum. Also the vaccinated dont always get spots, so how many kids got sick, fully vaccinated, but because they didnt get spots, they werent counted?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    The vaccine doesn’t work all the time. Neither do seat belts, penicillin, or condoms. What conclusion should we draw—throw them all out? The Disney outbreak is consistent with the vaccine working at least 93% of the time. Wouldn’t it be fair to point out that although 98% were vaccinated in one school that had an outbreak, the 2% who were not were disproportionately likely to get sick? In antivax land, if there were only 100 unvaxed kids in the world and they all died of measles and 3 billion vaxed kids in the world and 200 died, this would be bad news for vaccines.

  • pathologist

    But vaccinated dont always get spots, how many vaccinated kids got sick, but didnt know it was measles. A lady died of measles in USA hospital recently, fully vaccinated, no spots. they didnt know till the autopsy, because she infected someone else, who did get spots, they tested her after death. No spots.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Neither vaccines, seat belts, penicillin, nor condoms are foolproof. What conclusion should we draw?

    The technical name for this line of bogus reasoning is the Nirvana Fallacy: Everything not perfect is useless.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    The decedent was immunocompromised, so antivaxers are celebrating her death as culling of the herd. She caught the disease, which killed her, from someone unvaccinated-by-choice.

  • It is you level of honesty that is a fake. And having a facebook profile doesn’t mean or prove anything one way or the other. But if it is you, that explains it. So are you going to tell me that the reason as to which you have been vaccine shilling on multiple articles, for years; is because and that you are deaf as you said, because of acquiring the measles, and when there was yet no vaccine. You look as old as i am and there was a vaccine when I was a kid. I still got the measles even though vaccinated, but there was a vaccine. Care to fill in the missing info?

  • pathologist

    No one uses live viruses anymore. because of too many risks, ie using the live polio in India, has now infected 40,000 people…….. SV40 and AIDS spread in live types of vaccines. Wouldnt it be simpler, just to let kids get measles? Without injecting them so they get measles?

  • pathologist

    got some good stuff hasnt he? You should read it, as a pathologist, yes makes perfect sense to me………. try reading it, you might understand it.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    No, I’m not deaf. One of my schoolmates was. And one of the teachers limped from polio, etc.

    My principal interest, besides public health, is in exposing the manipulation of statistics of the antivax movement. I see it as a movement to dumb-down America, as well as infect it. And I particular resent that its members freeload off others’ vaccinations. Church bells rang when the Salk vaccine trials succeeded, that’s how weird it was to be against vaccines back when the danger of polio (measles, etc.) was high.

    I do a fair amount of commenting on other subjects, but at sites that don’t use Disqus.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    No offense, but I don’t credit even pro-vax credentials from anonymous commenters without detail. Pathologist, or a guy who throws out dogs at the pound that were put down?

  • If only three people were left in the world yet un-vaccinated; and those three went anywhere near Disneyland, and 76 more people showed up at Disneyland and got the measles, they would still falsely blame the unvaccinated for their obvious vaccine failure, and all of it again would be claimed due to the lack of so called vaccine derived herd immunity. Its almost like rocket science.

  • pathologist

    “”far lower than the 96% vaccination rate required to maintain herd immunity.”” I just want to know where this mythical figure of 96% vaccination comes from….. It is quoted as gospel, but it is just an absolute ridiculous statement.” 100% vaccination rates have show a failed herd immunity? So who writes this as if it were true?

  • pathologist

    You are so boring, In Canada an outbreak in 2012, was traced to shedding of a newly vaccinated person, to lots and lots of others who were also vaccinated? What does numbers have to do with it? Measels vaccine is a failure? And arrogant you, because you apparently is the only one who can add up, sort of doesnt get it? How can fully vaccinated people all get measles?

  • pathologist

    10% of the worlds population got vaccinated, NOW TELL ME THAT AGAIN/ How the vaccine was a success due to 96% herd immunity ? UMMM bit suspicious when only 1 in 10 got vaccinated?

  • pathologist

    Polio vaccine hahaha! Polio was eradicate in Europe for 6 years, so they vaccinated some kids to start it all over again! Was gone in India, so they vaccinated them no 44,000 dead and crippled from the vaccine. A man in UK, has been spreading polio for over 30 years, after his vaccine!

  • pathologist

    Yep when they got rid off DDT, now they are giving polio vaccines in countries without polio for years, and they are yes, giving them polio… how kind of Merck! and Billy Gates.

  • Again what a large pile of bull crap. That is as well how they do the spin the multiple end point numbers in their pharma clinical trials and studies, and what they end up with is actually what is known as a junk science study, and that which doesn’t mean anything at all. Spin it long enough and hard enough and you can come up with anything you want. 76 cases of vaccine failure out of 133 subjects with measles; (in any rational mind), is and amounts to an obvious vaccine failure. Face it.

    Just like in this long list of vaccine failures as well, right here. Same thing. http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • The point is that you refuse to recognize that 76 cases of vaccine failure out of a total of 133 cases, is an obvious vaccine failure. You simply keep arguing because you refuse to face it, and to give it up.

  • In your mind obviously anything less than a 100% failure, is not a vaccine failure. I get it.

  • pathologist

    It sheds…….. there are 3 separate reports of it causing outbreaks in Canada alone.
    And google some of the poor little tikes who have got measles from the vaccine…………. so sick, poor little ones.

  • pathologist

    Why not, if 1 in 100 million now get polio……… sure they got one iron lung machine left? Meanwhile in India 44,000 are dead and crippled from the polio vaccine…………. ah thats OK they poor in India, is that your response?

  • Lets add that the 96% figure only includes the school children and teens, and while they yet disregard thousands and if not millions of adults which have never been re-vaccinated since child hood, and certainly not for measles. To buy into their scheme you would have to believe that vaccination protected for life, and the same same as natural immunity. And these fools simply yet can not grasp the obvious insanity of their said claims. I personally have not been re-vaccinated for anything, in over 4 decades. .

  • pathologist

    How did herd immunity work on smallpox again? 10% of the world at most were vaccinated? How does herd immunity work again? Polio will never be eliminated, as it can be recreated in a laboratory……….and while everyone is dying now of vaccine induced polio, what does it matter if wild polio disappears, that hasnt infected anyone for decades?

  • pathologist

    You know I am more educated than you on pathology, chemical analysis, history, horticulture, and all are linked in this monsatan and merck dominated world………. and they have no morals……. …….and as for you, who the hell are you? Dont give a damn what you think, but you sure write some crappy, and laughable stuff………. keep posting, its funny!
    Your stuff is out of date, been used before and discredited, yet you still answer people with nastiness, who are you?????????????

  • pathologist

    Anyone suffering pneumonia as a result of measles, so sick in hopsital ……when no one knew she had measles, yes I would call immunocompromised, wouldnt you?
    And as for you abhorrent remarks, that people are celebrating her death, you really are cold and sicko arent you? Her family could be reading this, just like the family of the poor baby this article is about…………. Cold hearted damn Merck rep……….. you are shameful! this poor fully vaccinated lady dies of measles, no one knows she has measles, and you say antivaxxers are to blame? Come again?

  • pathologist

    Antivaxxers are a part of your herd, the ones keeping you well……………….. you are the one who doesnt belong in any herd that shows compassion and humanity, you sicko!

    Whats a decedent???????????

  • I thought you earlier had said you were.

    As for your magical math skills, how do you explain that 96% needed vaccination rate to acquire so called vaccine derived herd immunity, and for the vaccines to work; and all while thousands and if not millions of adults in the past have never been re-vaccinated after childhood. So to buy into this scheme, a person would need to believe that only school children and teens need to be vaccinated, and you would also need to believe that vaccine protection lasts for life, and just the same as natural immunity. That is a pretty large stretch of the reality and the imagination; and don’t you think? I have not been re-vaccinated in over 4 decades. How many vaccines have you had in the past ten years? And you fools can still not see the most obvious errors in claims, and your thinking. Keep munching that fake sheeple grass, and drinking that brainwashing, safe and effective, Kool-Aid.

  • pathologist

    And my line of reasoning, if a vaccine fails, maims or kills someone, thats murder. Like the poor little baby this article is about, got sick after two injections, the doctor ignored it and gave him a third…………. The only blind people here, and ones who will not see………………….thats you, but you are paid to do it. The fact it is known live polio vaccines, creates polio, and they did it to all those poor people in India, 44,000 maimed and dead………. wouldnt you call that murder?

  • pathologist

    Imagine if everything else in the world, allowed this failure rate, and classed it as acceptable? Go for a bungee jump, its ok it is safe half and effective half of the time?

    OOps there goes another one, ……….

  • pathologist

    No one dies of measles anymore, get up to date! Oh, except the vaccine inuded measles, that can be nasty.
    In anitvax land called Amish, etc, they never get sick, so your argument is a bit absurd. They dont get much autism either, certainly not one in 35.

  • They just believe whatever they are told, and then turn around and try to tell us that we are the mislead, wack jobs, quacks, and only conspiracy theorists. You can not talk any reasoning to people who refuse for whatever reason, to face reality, and the truth.

  • nworder

    Your reasoning ? – seat belts dont cause harm – penicillin is a natural mold but vaccines harm every time – not only that they dont work .
    Seat belts can save lives vaccines kill .
    Some reasoning – your trolling has affected your brain .

  • pathologist

    The only real immunity, in a herd, is getting the disease, or having natural healthy immunity……….. the vaccines are an abysmal failure…… I am talking about 1995+ vaccines………. they are a failure. And I am not anti vax, I AM PRO TRUTH………… and having taken hundreds of pertussis tests all positive in 2010 ALL FULLY VACCINATED, and realising the kids with no symptoms still could spread it……… ALL FULLY VACCINATED. Yes the silence from Merck and FDA, CDC, is deafening………… Took FDA three damn years to find funding to buy some damn baboons, to get the same results already gien to them on over 100,000 cases of failed pertussis vaccine, by four other nations………… they wait three years and test baboons? FDA ARE BABOONS! Meanwhile, the knee jerk reaction called cocooning? to PROTECT NEWBORNS, WHO CANT BE IMMUNISED? well oops got that wrong again, the newly revaccinated, ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE THE CARRIERS………. MERCK MURDER. Three baby deaths already……… that I know of in Australia. Why jeep using the same thing, over and over, when it dont work? You can jab every day with pertussis vaccine, they are still carriers! and only 8 out of ten will be immune themselves, and in another 5 years, only 3 out of ten will be immune? How does this herd immunity work again?

  • nworder

    Probably an alias of Al Mather – if they can use one troll under 5 false identities they will . Mather will be the resident troll using fake aliases.

  • pathologist

    Where I live, 98% of all kids are really immune to pertussis now! None of them died, they just got over it……………….
    But among the newbies, the vaccinated kids, post 2010, when they get to 6 which is maybe next year, there will be a smaller epidemic, as they are no longer immune. And again, those with vaccine immunity, will be carriers, and spread it, with no symptoms………….. how absurd, you can spread a serious disease to a brand new baby, and not know, if you are vaccinated.

  • pathologist

    Well if seatbelts failed 70% of the time, when they are 5 years old, wouldnt they question why? So a 70% failure rate is fine? Well gosh in a car of four, hope I am sitting in the right seat, only one survivor.. So yes, I like your analogy, seatbelts dont work all the time, but damn if my car was 5 years old, I would expect all the seatbelts to work, not just one.

  • nworder

    Even if seatbelts worked 1% we would go for it since they dont cause harm.
    But vaccines dont work at all and always cause harm so who would take this 100% chance of lifelong sickness.

    I would love to see you take an IQ test

  • nworder

    SALK ADMITTED HIS VACCINE CAUSED ALL POLIO OUTBREAKS IN THE US – you know this.
    So the church bells were premature and were rung by a pharma troll with dark glasses who looks like you .

    You make up stories again – anecdotal old chap as a drug executive would say.

    Why not expose the manipulation of stats by profit hungry pharma – this will keep you going for a lifetime – BUT there is no cash which is your only interest.

  • nworder

    Judging by what you say – you are a fake pure and simple – working for Merck or some other nazi drug and vaccine company .

  • pathologist

    ~Why are you so nasty and cruel Matt? You think they are lying and the child is still alive? What is your problem? Jaundice is common in infants, death isnt……. did you not see the pictures?
    First you dont blame the vaccines, then you do, but shift the blame to the parents? Why? You are a ignorant man, Matt.
    Very, very sad, but a couple of things dont stick? beg pardon? Then you go on attacking the family, why?

  • nworder

    Where the hell did Disney manage to get so many unvaxxed kids in the USA – DID THEY ADVERTISE and pay for the trip – lol

  • pathologist

    Love it, just cut and paste that saves the idiots having to type it. Oh I vaccinated all mine, dammit! But when, as a pthologist, I got 100s of kids all with pertussis, all vaccinated, yes I saw 100% failure rate, and babies get infected………………. that slapped me in the face, I learnt more. After 5 years, only 3 out of ten will be immune to pertussis, after vaccination, and the 3 still immune, will still be likely carriers spreading it…………….. Herd immunity? What rot.

  • pathologist

    I do too, I see the damage in their faces.

  • nworder

    LAZARUS YOU ARE AS FAKE AS A 3$ BILL

    NEWS EVERY DAY :-

    “The vaccine industry piggybacks on the Measles scare at Disneyland to call for MMR vaccinations. But there is silence on Big Pharma faking the MMR vaccine clinical trial results a few years ago.

    In 2010, two Merck scientists filed a False Claims Act complaint that was unsealed three years ago. The vaccine manufacturer, Merck, falsified its mumps vaccine test data even though it was aware of it. It “spiked blood samples with animal antibodies, sold a vaccine that actually promoted mumps and measles outbreaks, and ripped off governments and consumers who bought the vaccine thinking it was 95% effective,” according to naturalnews.com.

    Natural News claims that it obtained all the records some years ago. It has continued to retain one of its crucial copies, even while “official” sources try to eliminate it from existence.

    Read the full document here.

    According to Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski, who were the earlier Merck virologists that filed the charge, this is what the company did:

    The company deliberately falsified its mumps vaccine test results in order to get an efficacy rate that was 95%. For this, Merck “spiked” a blood sample with animal antibodies in order to “inflate” the appearance of the immune system antibodies.

    As CourthouseNews.com reported: “Merck also added animal antibodies to blood samples to achieve more favorable test results, though it knew that the human immune system would never produce such antibodies, and that the antibodies created a laboratory testing scenario that did not in any way correspond to, correlate with, or represent real life … virus neutralization in vaccinated people,” according to the complaint.

    Read more at http://www.newseveryday.com/articles/7078/20150126/http-www-naturalnews-com-048402-measles-vaccine-scientific-fraud-court-documents-html.htm#lDB5QR6exGQDSLxc.99

  • Al Mather

    Again you are mistaken. I never said anything about not posting. Although one way to get less reply posts from me ,would be to not post TO me when I am engaging with someone else. And…nor.

  • Al Mather

    Honestly Lowell… sober up and reread that last post.

  • nworder

    WE’VE ALL TRIED THAT – BUT YOU DONT GO AWAY
    You are faithful to your masters at big pharma and faithful to your “30 pieces of silver” nature .

  • Ron Roy
  • nworder

    500 million – ??????

    The only time deaths rose was AFTER vaccination you blatant liar .

    “There is no question but that perfect sanitation has almost obliterated this disease (smallpox) and sooner or later will dispose of it entirely. Of course when that time comes, in all probability the credit will be given to vaccination.”
    John Tilden MD (1851-1940)

    “I have thought many times of all the insane things that we have advocated in medicine – one of the most insane – to insist on the vaccination of children or anybody else for the prevention of smallpox, when as a matter of fact, we are never able to prove vaccination saved one man from smallpox.”Dr. William Howard Hay (1866-1940), New York Practitioner

    “Smallpox was on the way out, indeed epidemics disappeared decades before the World Health Organization decided to conduct the final “eradication” campaign. It is also well-documented that the largest epidemics occurred in the most highly vaccinated populations, while the unvaccinated did not have the same epidemics.”Viera Scheibner, PhD, Scientific Researcher and Author

    “If vaccines are so effective in preventing disease why have epidemics occurred around the world following mass vaccination programs? In the Philippines for example, “after ten years of compulsory inoculation against smallpox (25 million shots) over 170,000 got smallpox and 75,000 deaths were recorded between 1911 and 1920″”from the Townsend Letter for Doctors article “Are Vaccines Generally Detrimental to the Human Defence System” Feb/Mar 1994

    “Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox ever after people received 24.5 million vaccine doses.”
    Dr. William Howard Hay, Address to Medicial Freedom Society, 6/25/37

  • Al Mather

    If I was a Judas I would be betraying my master … idiot… Even when you try hard to be clever you dumb it up.

  • nworder

    JUDAS WAS FAITHFUL – BUT TO THE WRONG MASTER
    – THE FATHER OF LIES . All trolls take this oath – to lie and lie .

  • Ron Roy

    Not only didn’t the smallpox vaccine not work in countries where everyone was forcibly vaccinated in subsequent epidemics the death rate was 2/3 times greater than in a normal epidemic. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-smallpox-vaccine-a-real-threat-that-should-be-a-forgotten-threat/5456970

  • Ron Roy

    Not only didn’t the smallpox vaccine not work in countries where
    everyone was forcibly vaccinated in subsequent epidemics the death rate
    was 2/3 times greater than in a normal epidemic. http://www.globalresearch.ca/t

  • Ron Roy

    How do you sleep at night? You’re living proof that money will buy a conscience.

  • Al Mather

    Trolls, oaths, masters, the father of lies, shills….you really do need a lot of stupid delusion to rationalize your idiotic positions.

  • Ron Roy
  • Al Mather

    “There is more measles now, than ever before, whooping cough outbreaks are more than ever before”… Please provide any reference that shows any of that being anything but total BS. As a “pathologist” I’m sure you have all that info right at your fingertips.

  • Katia

    It’s gone, bub! You can screech all you want, but smallpox is no more.

  • Katia

    You’re lying.

  • nworder

    Thanks to the vaccine being stopped – bub !

  • nworder

    Another deep analysis from “Katia” – lol

  • Katia

    You have no idea what you’re talking about. OPV is used in many third world countries. It’s even used in Ukraine.
    http://www(dot)cdc(dot)gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/

    Measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox and rotavirus are all live virus vaccines.

    If you are going to post, you really ought to know what you’re talking about.

  • Katia

    Smallpox is gone. Give a link on someone who has died from vaccine derived polio.

  • Katia

    LINK!

  • Katia

    You’re an azz!

  • Katia

    No, death is death. There’s far more incidence than death. Suzi really brain-washed you, eh?

  • Katia
  • OMG, tears falling…. A vaccine is a few dollars to doctors, sales reps and Pharma, but to you, it is a lifetime taken away. Nothing will replace your sweetie. Just so sad for you. Please continue speaking up for animals and people alike.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Salk was “admitting” that his bitter rival Sabin’s vaccine was causing all the cases of polio. Indeed, we traded 50,000 cases of wild polio for several hundred cases of vaccine-induced polio. Why was that a bad trade? (Although, by switching to a safer but less-effective vaccine, we were able to drive the number down to zero, which is even better.)

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Seat belts most certainly can cause harm; sometimes people are injured more by the belts themselves than they would have been in the accident. And some people are deathly allergic to penicillin. So I repeat, you have fallen into the Nirvana Fallacy that Everything not Perfect is Useless.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    A very lazy journalist wrote that about the Amish, and he was way wrong. The Amish always vaccinated, but coverage was low (it wasn’t a religious taboo), and the Amish are the main victims of the largest measles outbreak of 2013-14. So much for “never get sick”. After that, vax rates went way up. They don’t find measles in fact as enjoyable as you find it in theory.

    Amish also have a very high number of children with congenital disabilities, because of inbreeding.

    Did you know that natural immunity from pertussis also wanes? You can get the disease repeatedly.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    I’m not responsible for your poor reading comprehension.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    That’s funny that an anonymous antivaxer pretending to be a pathologist (pathologists are MDs, and without a name and school, I say you aren’t) complains that my sources have been “used before”, while the antivax posts are verbatim copy-pasta.

    I will admit to ignorance of horticulture. On the other hand, you have no clue on statistics (surprising for a real MD, not so much for a Google U graduate).

  • Andrew Lazarus

    How many cases did they have pre-vaccine, to compare to the (inflated) 44,000?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    It represents vaccine failure in at most 7% of vaccinations. I even did the calculation for you. It’s you who wants to insist that 7% is a total failure, probably because you are simply too stupid to understand that when the overwhelming majority of the population is vaccinated, a much smaller majority of the sick cohort is likely to be vaccinated even for an effective vaccine.

    Try this example one more time. 100 unvaccinated against X, and they all die. 3 billion vaccinated against X and 200 die. Is this good news or bad news for the vaccine?

  • nworder

    IF NEARLY EVERYONE IS VACCINATED AS YOU SAY
    How the hell did the measles virus find so many unvaccinated at Disney – was this a Disney and Andrew fairytale .

  • Katia

    It sounds like Sebastian could have received a medical exemption if his parents had told the dr the whole story.

  • Katia

    What the H*ll are you talking about? Kids get a pertussis booster at age 4-6 that lasts for several years thereafter. Then they get the Tdap at 11-12, another booster.

  • Katia

    No, hun, AT LEAST 57 had not been vaccinated. A lot of the others had no records.

  • nworder

    Everyone got measles before vax – I got it – everyone I knew got it – it was less than a cold – you did not realise you even had anything until the spots .
    You look like a snake oil salesman peddling fearporn for your masters .
    Thing is they now get a much worse form of measles with the vax and spread it to others .

  • nworder

    I HAVE SEEN KIDDIES WITH BETTER THINKING SKILLS
    Of course your “skills” are paid for .

    Seatbelts always save more lives than the tiny minority they lose – so I always fasten mine.
    Penicillin would save more than it loses – being a natural mould it probably works similarly to good flora in the intestines .

    BUT vaccines always damage and never work – so this is where your brain has died.

  • nworder

    POLIO WAS NOT A PROBLEM UNTIL VACCINATION

    THE TRUTH ABOUT CANCER
    Notice that these diseases were virtually wiped out before the introduction of their respective vaccines! Rather the decrease in these childhood maladies weren’t due to vaccinations (as you may have been told), but were mainly the result of improved public health and hygiene (including sanitation and cleaner drinking water) during that time.

    An interesting side note concerning polio involves some “shady” behavior by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC); in 1958, after the introduction of the live polio vaccine, they changed the definition of “polio.” Cases of inflammation of the membrane that protects the brain and spinal neuron cells, causing muscular weakness and pain (but not paralysis) were no longer classified as “polio”; they were now to be referred to as aseptic meningitis, even if the polio virus was present.

    Reported cases of aseptic meningitis went from near zero to thousands, and polio cases dropped the same amount. Then, later in 1958, the CDC changed the definition of “polio” again!! All cases with classic polio paralytic symptoms were to be called acute flaccid paralysis. In 1960, the CDC triumphantly declared large parts of the world as “polio free,” while the newly created acute flaccid paralysis “mysteriously” became quite common.

    In 1977, Jonas Salk, the creator of the polio vaccine, testified before a Senate subcommittee that “all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.” In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the USA between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine and most of the reported cases occurred in fully immunized individuals.

  • nworder

    WHY ON EARTH WOULD SO MANY CHILDREN OUT OF
    A SMALL SAMPLE HAVE NO RECORDS – who has no records now ???????
    Between the lines – they will have been vaccinated but the mafia would use ploy this to hide the fact – just like you – liars all.

  • Katia

    The main reason for a child having no records is that the child had not been vaccinated. California has a state immunization registry which many providers use to record immunizations.

    Do watch out for the black helicopters!

  • nworder

    More and more poison into their tiny systems for lifelong illness – and you just love it you sadist .

  • MOLLY29

    You’re the dope as I don’t know where you got the idea I think the FDA is anymore credible than the CDC as I know they are both corrupt and have been since there inception..Most government agencies from the top down are corrupt. And for your information which you should not take in as credible from the CDC or FDA or any of the pharmaceutical sites as they have nothing but compromised information as they are all corrupt. The shingles vaccine and most of the vaccines cause epidemics of the diseae after innoculation. Do the reading and do’t call me the dope when clearly it is you.

  • nworder

    JRSM :-
    “In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.”

  • Katia

    Yes, the Cutter incident. A very sad event, from 60 years ago. I’m talking about now, as pathologist (an insult to real pathologists everywhere) is claiming. Say, within the past year.

  • nworder

    As you know as a pathologist – LOL – polio paralysis and deaths are still occurring now with the “eradication” campaign.

    It is polio – but because it comes out of a syringe it is called non polio polio – lol

    NPAVP :-
    “A report in India last January, from the second largest business newspaper in India “LiveMint”, with an exclusive relationship with the Wall Street Journal, records:

    In the past 13 months, India has reported 53,563 cases of NPAFP at a national rate of 12 per 100,000 children—way above the global benchmark set by WHO of 2 per 100,000.” India to get polio-free status amid rise in acute flaccid paralysis cases Jan 13 2014

    India has provided the evidence to indicate that Non Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis is a disease associated with the polio vaccine. The vaccine contains live polio virus, so when administered artificially is a means of causing a polio infection.

    The LiveMint article reports:

    Two doctors from Delhi’s St Stephens Hospital, Neetu Vashisht andJacob Puliyel, who compiled data from the national polio surveillance project, found a link between the increase in dosage of polio vaccination and the increasing cases of NPAFP.

    “Most experts will tell you the cases of NPAFP have increased because of better surveillance. This is bunkum,” said Puliyel. “As per global benchmarks, as polio incidence comes down, the rate of NPAFP should also reduce. Instead, AFP cases have been increasing steadily.”

  • Lord of the Woo-Woo
    Deepak Chopra tries his hand at a clinical trial. Woo ensues.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Isn’t it interesting that nworder (typically for an antivaxer) just pastes the same crud from the same sites without noticing his point has already been dealt with?

    In 1977, Jonas Salk, the creator of the polio vaccine, testified before a Senate subcommittee that “all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.”

    Now look at the comment of mine to which this is a reply. We traded 58,000 cases of wild polio pre-vaccine (not “virtually wiped out”, instead, near-record incidence in 1952) for a few hundred cases of vaccine-induced polio. This was, I guess, a bad deal because wild polio victims deserved it but vaccine injury victims might be your own kids?! Can someone elaborate, rather than more robo-pasting?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    SeatbeltsVaccines always save more lives than the tiny minority they lose – so I always fastenreceive mine.

    FTFU.

  • AutismDad

    But the $$$ has been paid for these faulty, fraudulent products and makers have their profit.

  • nworder

    NO YOU DIDN’T TRADE ANYTHING – POLIO HAD DECLINED BEFORE THE POLIO VAX

    Then the polio jab brought it back – you post the same lies over and over.
    The Bill Gates solution is to paralyse and kill as many
    3rd world kids as possible.

    VACCINES UNCENSORED
    “Prior to 1954 any physician who reported paralytic poliomyelitis was doing his patient a service by way of subsidizing the cost of hospitalization… two examinations at least twenty-four hours apart was all that was required… In 1955 the criteria were changed …residual paralysis was determined ten to twenty days after onset of illness and again fifty to seventy days after onset…This change In definition meant that in 1955, we started reporting a new disease… Furthermore, diagnostic procedures have continued to be Re-defined. Cocksackie virus infections and aseptic meningitis have been distinguished from poliomyelitis…Thus simply in the Change of diagnosis criteria, the number of paralytic cases was pre-deterrmined to decrease.”Dr. Bernard Greenberg, Chairman of the Committee on Evaluation & Standards of The American Policy Health Association during 1950s testifying before Congressional Hearings, 1962

    “After vaccination was introduced, cases of aseptic meningitis were reported as a separate disease from polio, but such were counted as polio before the vaccine was introduced. The Ministry of Health admitted that the vaccine status of the individual is a guiding factor in diagnosis…If a person who is vaccinated contracts the disease, the disease is simply recorded under a different name…Those who contracted polio after the first inoculation were placed on the non-inoculated list…It’s obvious that this practice of screening statistics, apparently in order to suppress facts unfavourable to immunization, invalidates most of the evidence brought forward by the supporters of immunization.”
    Maurice Meadow Bayly MRCS, LRCP, ‘The Case Against Vaccination’

  • nworder

    You might have received them in the past but now you know better as a shill you have learned to avoid them and will certainly not put your arm out where your mouth is.

    You could get into alternative food and reverse the damage they obviously did to you as you could improve your cognitive skills and colour .

  • Andrew Lazarus

    I repeat, we had record polio in 1952, only three years before the vaccine. Not going away.

    Until you see parents sending their kids to the country every summer to avoid aseptic meningitis, it isn’t polio.

  • Tids1960

    What if your wrong… What if your physician, have been indoctrinated into a pharmaceutical program… They no longer ask you about your diet, but they’ll ask you if you have guns or thoughts of harming yourself. And they don’t know why they are being instructed to ask those question.
    It’s widely known the elite are obsessed with world population to a point where it’s beyond unhealthy. Margaret Sanger alone campaigned to kill thousands, if you followed her, and who her associates were, you’ll see the eugenic program start to unfold. They’ll proclaim that’s it’s to be in harmony with Earth to bring the population down to under a billion, but it’s really about controlling the population. If the elites were sincerely serious, I think they would have dealt with the pollution they put into the ground and seas.

  • nworder

    I was born in 1948 never heard of anyone in my county getting polio then or later – it was rare and usually not serious – I believe many people would get it but not know even it .
    We swam in sewage laden sea water – no disease at all.

    The pesticide and sugar could be involved by lowering immunity especially in the intestines .

    All hyped up to make money and power since mad dog
    Jenner .
    I will flood the site with evidence of the vaccines increasing polio all over the states if you keep on with your idiocy.

    You have “herd” immunity to reason and logic .

  • Andrew Lazarus

    I don’t have any personal acquaintances with vaccine injury either. (Indeed, I know more people with penicillin allergy than vaccine injury.)

  • nworder

    Yes the malthusians are going to take out 2/3rds of the population.
    1st and 2nd WW’s were not enough. That’s why they killed 50 million with the 1918 “flu” . They did not know about viruses but they knew if they pumped the standard army syringe for yellow fever etc also full of toxic pus – you could be dead the same day.
    If the vaccine did not get you by poisoning the whole body
    they gave you enough aspirin to kill a herd of horses.

    The unvaccinated and untreated did not get ill – there are many stories of that time.
    The vaccine was 100% successful – it killed every time
    and a good profit was made by all including the undertakers – but not the families .
    Medicine has always been mad with mad doctors the norm. Its the american “power” thing plus the country is now being run by a medical mafia who made the old
    mafia look upright – they did not force toxins into babies
    for profit .

  • nworder

    This is because when you see a kid with cerebral palsy
    you cant relate it to the vaccine directly by sight – this is what the pharma gangsters use to their advantage .

    But I have friends with slow or damaged kids likely related to the vaccine – but it is less here than in the
    great satan – more people delay or refuse them and at around 14 shots there will be less damage than 50 – 60 shots madness.
    Epidemiology is the best way to fight these evil corporations eg showing america to be the sickest nation in every measure whilst wasting 30% GNP on
    useless medicine .

    With 200 vaccines in the pipeline eventually forced on adults like yourself and Al you will be exterminated in say a decade or so.

    The US government is no longer benevolent – if it ever was – it is malevolent which is as prophesied.

  • Katia

    Stick to dead bodies, path!

    You do realize that NP means NON-polio? India has been declared polio-free.

  • Katia

    I spent 45 years (to the day!) in nursing, most of it in some sort of immunization practice, the last 25 years exclusively so. In that time, I saw ONE (1, uno) case of an allergic reaction. A child who had just received a chickenpox vaccine, his second, was sneezing uncontrollably. The doctor made a quick diagnosis of vaccine allergy, gave him some Benadryl and observed him. The sneezing stopped, he went home. I also saw ONE (1, uno) case of arthus hypersensitivity following a tetanus-containing vaccine. That’s IT! Oh, yes, plenty of fevers (fewer after the switch to DTaP from DTP) and sore arms; a few rashes from MMR and chickenpox, some fainting especially by teens. The office where I worked for the past 11 years gives about 100 vaccines a DAY, 500 a week, 26,000 a year, 286,000 in my 11 years there. So anecdotal yes, but plenty of anecdotes. I’ve probably been around for at least 1,000,000 doses of vaccine, and I’ve seen those two.

    Yes, I’ve seen plenty of penicillin reactions. Little red dots.

  • nworder

    Polio free but with much more non polio polio – lol
    Alice “Katia” in Wonderland – “things are what I say they are”

  • nworder

    Yes what destruction you have reaped on the human race
    – if your trolling anecdotes were true – like a vaccine holocaust – no wonder 1 in two american children show signs of illness and damage

  • That is not true, and would be based on what you just read, very questionable. The situation would obviously NOT qualify for an exemption under the existing CDC guide lines. Then as well he would even if that been granted; he would have only qualified for an exemption from the Hep B vaccine, an no others. What do you not understand about that the CDC does not allow for any general vaccine exemptions, unless you have had a severe adverse reaction to all of them, one by one. Quit arguing against what is clearly established fact. The evidence is right in front of you.

  • Katia

    Actually, a severe reaction is a reason not to give another dose of vaccine. A lot is left up to the doctor’s discretion. If the doctor had been made aware of Sebastian’s previous bad reactions to Hep B vaccine, he most likely would not have given the third. I say that based on many years of working in vaccines.

  • Oh bull crap. Just give it up. It is close to a 50% failure rate and not the 86% as two articles incorrectly stated, admitted. However, the number 67 is obviously not 7% of 133 cases. How dumb, and in denial can you get. Spin it sideways, all you want.

  • And I am not responsible your poor writing skills, as that is exactly what I read, from what you wrote.

  • Entirely sober here, arse hole. And coming from you, a man is that is obviously mentally defective, and near to insane.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Mr Hubbs, you are failing at arithmetic. It’s rather sad. I have told you over and over again, you are using the wrong denominator in your fraction.

    Go back to the hypothetical example, that there are 100 unvaccinated people against disease X and they all die, and there are 3 billion people vaccinated against X and 200 die. According to you, 200/300=67% of the vaccines failed, and this is bad news for vaccines. That is exactly how you are calculating the failure rate in Disneyland: sick vaccinated cases divided by sick total cases. It’s totally wrong. The vaccine failure rate (in the made up example) us 200/3billion, which is tiny. This is not spin; you are looking silly by insisting on the wrong formula.

    Lurkers: Most antivaxers are innumerate. This is the sort of story problem you had in 4th grade arithmetic. What are the chances Hubbs knows science, if he doesn’t know 4th grade arithmetic?

  • Did you see that your reply post has been deleted? Told yaa. LOL. Actually there is existing no DUI arrest on my record, in now over a decade in time.

  • Tids1960

    Apparently Doctors are not the only ones being indoctrinated…
    .
    .

    Indoctrination Alert: Middle Schoolers Forced to Write ‘Allah is the Only God’

    It is no secret that the Left sees the public education system as a chance to train young minds to become politically correct progressives. But at least one Tennessee middle school has gone too far, according to parents.

    After the teacher of one Spring Hill, Tennessee class opted out of teaching the history of Christianity in favor of spending three weeks devoted to an in-depth study of Islam, parents have voiced their outrage. The main focus of their objections surrounds the requirement that students write out the Shahada profession of the Islamic faith — a type of pledge — that has the line, “Allah is the only god.”

    According to TruthRevolt:

    Though the parents understand that a thorough study of history will undoubtedly cover religions from all over the world, they don’t understand why so much time is being spent on this one. Plus, the class is delving into learning the specifics of the Five Pillars of Islam and thus causing parents to wonder if that constitutes teaching religion in schools.

    “From a religion point of view, if the schools are going to be teaching religion in history, they need to teach them all equally,” parent Brandee Porterfield told The Columbia Daily Herald. “For them to spend three weeks on Islam after having skipped Christianity, it seems to be that they are making a choice about which religion to discuss.”

    Another parent, Joy Ellis, said she was aware her child was studying Islam but as far as having to write the Shahada, she said, “To me, a Christian child should not be made to write that.”

    “I honestly don’t want my child learning about Islam at all, but if they’ve got to learn about it, I would like for them to learn about the historical aspects of it and definitely nothing about the religion. I don’t want her writing ‘Allah is the only god,’” Ellis added.

    If teachers believe that it is acceptable to skip teaching Christianity in favor of Islam, what is the chance that they are going to include discussions of radical Islam and the widespread Islamic terrorism that is going on around the world today?

  • Neither of the first two reactions would have been considered severe reactions. Obviously you do not even know what a severe reaction to vaccines involves, and/or looks like. Do you even have a clue how many severe vaccine reactions are blown off by doctors, as being so called, a normal reaction? They see so much of it that they think it is all normal, apparently. Common sense and a basic understanding of human physiology, should tell them that none of that is normal. They even say that inconsolable high pitch screaming and with a moderately high fever is normal; and which is actually representative of vaccine caused and induced encephalitis And then they mindlessly and without having done any independent research, go next to recommending Tylenol, and thus which potentially makes the whole situation, even worse.

    Many years of working with vaccines? Where, in what field, specifically?

    Glutathione, Tylenol, Vaccine Adverse Reactions, and ASD
    http://www.vacfacts.info/glutathione-tylenol-vaccine-adverse-reactions-and-asd.html

  • Polio Wasn’t Vanquished, It Was Redefined
    http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/polio-wasnt-vanquished-it-was-redefined/

    In about 98% of cases, polio is a mild illness, with no symptoms or with viral-like symptoms. In paralytic polio, the virus leaves the digestive tract, enters the bloodstream, and then attacks nerve cells. Fewer than 1%-2% of people who contract polio become paralyzed. In severe cases, the throat and chest may be paralyzed. Death may result if the patient does not receive artificial breathing support.

    http://www.cdc.gov/polio/about/

    The Present Status of Polio Vaccines

    Excerpts:

    A full discussion of both these issues can be found in the Polio section of my book The Vaccine Guide. The criteria for diagnosing polio did change when the vaccine was introduced in the 1950s and this change in diagnosis apparently reduced the statistic for the number of polio cases dramatically. Monkey kidney cells are used to produce the oral vaccine and controversy rages about the contamination of OPV with monkey viruses. For a complete review of these issues, see the book. Here is one quote from the book. Dr. Bernard Greenberg, a biostatistics expert, was chairman of the Committee on Evaluation and Standards of the American Public Health Association during the 1950s. He testified at a panel discussion that was used as evidence for the congressional hearings on polio vaccine in 1962. During these hearings he elaborated on the problems associated with polio statistics and disputed claims for the vaccines effectiveness. He attributed the dramatic decline in polio cases to a change in reporting practices by physicians. Less cases were identified as polio after the vaccination for very specific reasons. Prior to 1954 any physician who reported paralytic poliomyelitis was doing his patient a service by way of subsidizing the cost of hospitalization and was being community-minded in reporting a communicable disease. The criterion of diagnosis at that time in most health departments followed the World Health Organization definition: Spinal paralytic poliomyelitis: signs and symptoms of nonparalytic poliomyelitis with the addition of partial or complete paralysis of one or more muscle groups, detected on two examinations at least 24 hours apart. Note that two examinations at least 24 hours apart was all that was required. Laboratory confirmation and presence of residual paralysis was not required. In 1955 the criteria were changed to conform more closely to the definition used in the 1954 field trials: residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days after onset of illness and again 50 to 70 days after onset…. This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely, paralytic poliomyelitis with a longer-lasting paralysis. Furthermore, diagnostic procedures have continued to be refined. Coxsackie virus infections and aseptic meningitis have been distinguished from paralytic poliomyelitis. Prior to 1954 large numbers of these cases undoubtedly were mislabeled as paralytic poliomyelitis. Thus, simply by changes in diagnostic criteria, the number of paralytic cases was predetermined to decrease in 1955-1957, whether or not any vaccine was used. Read more by use of the below link:

    The Present Status of Polio Vaccines (Document written in the 1950’s) Clearly and obviously the change in polio diagnosis and re-definition right after the vaccine was in use, significantly reduced the polio case numbers, and not the polio vaccine.
    http://www.greatmothersquestioningvaccines.com/uploads/2/8/8/8/2888885/ratner_1960.pdf

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    Author Affiliations

    1 Department of Morphology and Embryology, Section of Cell Biology and Molecular Genetics, School of Medicine, and Center of Biotechnology, University of Ferrara, Via Fossato di Mortara, 64/B. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    2 Department of Experimental and Diagnostic Medicine, Section of Microbiology, University of Ferrara, Via Luigi Borsari, 46. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    To date, the prevalence of SV40 infections in humans is not known. Recent studies, based on PCR and serological techniques, indicate that SV40 infection occurs both in children and adults. (i) SV40 DNA sequences have been detected in normal and neoplastic tissues of people either too young (1 to 30 years) or too old (60 to 85 years) to have been vaccinated with SV40-contaminated anti-polio vaccines [19,33,76-81]. This finding may also explain the lack of difference in cancer incidence between individuals vaccinated with SV40-contaminated and SV40-free anti-polio vaccines [82]. (ii) SV40 sequences and Tag were detected in blood and sperm specimens from normal individuals and oncologic patients [80,81,83-88] and in lymphoblastoid cells [32]. These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    Read more:
    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

  • nworder

    Why do you insert a made up out of your troll hat 3 billion
    number ????
    Well seen shilling is the only job you could you.

  • Most don’t sleep at night, because they are here and elsewhere, vaccine shill reply posting all night.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Because I didn’t feel like doing algebra with x and y, and choosing a whomping big number makes the error in Hubbs’s arithmetic more obvious. Try calculating for yourself: what are the relative risk and observed efficacy of measles vaccine using the Disney outbreak statistics? Explain the formula you use.

  • The same vaccine dose for a small child in many cases is the same as that given to a 180 lb man; and even when there is a version of the so called pediatric dose available, it is clearly not adjusted to comparative body size, and weight.

  • nworder

    Since it is a psyop for compulsory vaccination all the figures will be made up , confusion will be the goal so that they can blame it on the unvaccinated.

    But I would guess that in this random sample of kids those vaxxed for measles will be over 90% as you would expect in America . So you would be hard pressed to find anyone NOT vaxxed for measles. The measles would attack randomly since there is much movement.

    So if this group got measles then it follows that the vaccine has at least a 90% failure rate.
    But probably no one got measles – it was just a fake event to get the California scam going.

    Similar to ebola scenario but it flopped due to bad crisis acting – but they will get ebola going again .

  • Katia

    Before I reply to you on my credentials, just what are yours? I’m going to assume you never worked in an immunization clinic or a doctor’s office doing anything other than sweeping the floors, anyway.

  • nworder

    BUT YOUR CREDENTIALS ARE JUST MADE UP TROLLING JUNK.
    WHEREAS Lowell would tell the truth – him being truthful
    so why should Lowell swap his truth for your junk !

  • Katia

    I think Lowell is a chiropractor. Either that or a high school drop out like Jim Carrey.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Good grief, you are just as innumerate as Hubbs! You can’t figure out the failure rate without knowing how many kids got sick from each group. You want to tell me that if there were 90% vaccinated (which is even a little low) and one of them got measles, that’s the sign of a 90% failure rate?

    On a 90% vaccination rate, the Disney measles showed a vaccine failure rate at most 16%, depending on how the unknown-status victims were really distributed.

    I guess you fell into paranoid antigovernment conspiracy theories as a cover for not being able to do a 4th grade arithmetic story problem—two of you in the same thread.

  • My credentials involve intense vaccine truth research for the past 7 plus years, and actually my general research on dental and medical issues, goes back over 25 years. And how much time have you ever spent doing any independent and unbiased research, at all? Obviously you have not spent much time in reading your worn out vaccine shill debating manual either; because you clearly are at a point of being at a way low end point of that ability, as well.

    You can just stop right now in your attempt to push FALSE discreditation, and also as to and in regard to your cowardly excuses for not presenting with your specific credentials.

  • Brooke Dunne

    He’s not even using the correct number for sick vaccinated cases.

  • Brooke Dunne

    The only one in denial here is you. How do you arrive at 67 vaccinated, when the source states only 25 were?

    133 cases
    – 57 Unvaccinated
    – 25 1 measles vaccine or more
    = 51 Unknown vaccination status / No records.

    So you just lump those 51 unknown vaccination status with the others to magically get 76 vaccinated?

    You must be really, really dumb. As in, did you even get a GED kinda dumb.

  • Brooke Dunne

    “That doesn’t even make sense, and as to how they used those 25 in the figures.”

    It doesn’t make sense to you because you can’t read a sentence written in simple, 6th grade English.

    Notice the “for whom we have vaccination documentation” clause, Dumbo?

  • Actually, Jim Carrey is obviously a learned, and quite intelligent man.

    I think very highly of well educated chiropractors, and their protocols work very well; but as to being one, I am not. Don’t you just love the desperate attempts at false discreditation that these vaccine shill people come up with?

    Why has the standard medical model continued as, and to be such a failure, and that in the bigger picture, Katia? Are you going to spend the rest of your life in complete denial of the obvious truth; and as to why it is that way? Have you ever heard of continuing education training? Does that only involve a curriculum and of learning which provide for you to keep your head stuck inside the mislead sheeple, box; and in endlessly failing to think, and to learn for yourself?

  • Katia

    Snort!

    I have a BSN from the University of Pittsburgh and have done graduate work in nursing at the University of Colorado. I worked in maternal-child health for most of my career, including all of the last 25 years. I was an immunization coordinator for a large health department in Colorado, and for a pediatrics office for the last 11 years. I have personally given thousands of immunization, and worked for agencies that have given at least a million during my time there.

    Cue nworder to say I’m lying. You guys are really scum!

  • Katia

    Carrey didn’t make it out the front door of high school! It shows.

  • And he makes more money than you, imagine that. And unlike you, people actually know who he is.

  • Al Mather

    Exactly the point..my little numbskull…How many people were at Disney exposed to the virus??? Maybe 10s of thousands?? Overwhelmingly vaccinated..

  • Al Mather

    Wow…is this math thing reinforcing a slew of preconceived notions or what?

  • Al Mather

    So in your feeble mind there were only 133 people at Disney that day???Think! Say 5000 people get exposed to the virus that day… 4900 vaccinated 100 unvaccinated… has the light bulb lit yet??

  • Another …SNORT? LOL.

    In other words you injection poisoned babies and small children with vaccines, and you spent much of your life doing it. So there you will fight tooth and nail to DENY what you have done. You will deny that you caused through multiple vaccination more harm than good, and to literally the natural health of countless and endless numbers of people.Have you ever heard of the Nuremberg Code? Have you ever heard of FULLY informed, CONSENT. Obviously that does not matter to you. Now tell me again who is actually, SCUM? I actually have sympathy for those doctors and nurses who never realized. However you have the information to clearly realize what you have done, and yet you defiantly deny it.

    There will be a day in your life eventually where the door closes, and there will no longer be any more chances to say “I am sorry”, and to ever again turn around and leave. I am convinced of that outcome.

  • Al Mather

    Never said there was???? But yes Lowell ..I saw you must have whined and cried and stomped your feet.

  • Brooke Dunne

    Considering how contagious measles is and how many people visit the park on any given day, it’s a testament to the success of the vaccine how few people were infected.

    Then there’s what happened in Montreal:

    136 Measles Cases in Lanaudière
    http://globalnews.ca/news/1874172/lanaudiere-confirms-80-measles-cases/

    “Officials say the cases are all epidemiologically related and involve unvaccinated children and adults.

    “The outbreak started after two families returned from Disneyland in California in early February.”

  • Al Mather

    Well then maybe you can deconstruct that post for us.

  • On this site there are allowed absolutely no attempts at false and irrelevant discreditation, based on someones identity, and especially by those people with zero real identity.You can as well clearly see how badly it turned out for Lazarus, and what a fool he was shown to be; and that in regard to his reply posting here. You can’t see and didn’t see his continued flailing around in trying to spin those numbers into something that they obviously, were not LOL. In your madness, and in your desperation though, just keep making it up as you go.

  • Katia

    Done.

  • Al Mather

    What I saw was you and Nword and Pathologist completely unable to grasp simple math concepts.I wouldn’t bring it up Lowell. Any reader with elementary school math under their belts will see what he was vainly trying to explain to you dolts. So if someone tries to say you’re a shill …you can get their comment removed if you whine and cry enough?

  • You yet have not directly explained how they used those said 25 cases. I will tell you why. Because you actually do not know.

    You can understand as much as that 76 vaccinated cases, and 57 unvaccinated cases, out of a 133 cases of measles in an outbreak, amounts to a vaccine failure. No? You can’t understand and nor can you accept that, and so you want to try and SPIN the numbers like Lazarus, again. Who is the real, Dumbo?

  • Katia

    Actually, there are about 70,000 people per day at Disney in late December. (Agreeing)
    http://www.scottware.com.au/theme/feature/atend.htm

  • Katia

    Cool! Well, not really. I’m sorry they got sick. But note ALL were unvaccinated.

  • Katia

    Er, no. 91% of eligible kids are vaccinated.
    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.IMM.MEAS

    All iInfants under 12-15 months are unvaccinated.

  • Actually what you need to do is explain the discrepancy in the added data provided that was not provided on the other site, and both are state connected sites. In fact the healthline article was stated to have been produced and published by the AMA.

    You subtract 57 from 133, and you get 76 un-vaccinated. The 25 figure is actually uncertain as to what they were referring to in the calculation. If that 25 figure was so significant and important, then why was it not included in the healthline. You are simply assuming that you know, and for your own purposes and benefit, how that 25 figure was connected in. That is called, just using you head, and which you obviously are refusing to do. But thanks for all your inappropriate angry insults, as it really sheds a true light on what you actually are.

    Background on Outbreak

    As of Friday, California had confirmed 133 cases of measles in the state linked to the outbreak that began at Disneyland. Of those, at least 57 had not been vaccinated.

    http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2015/3/17/low-vaccination-rates-to-blame-for-disneyland-measles-outbreak

  • You lose, face it. All of your obvious and repeated spinning three obvious numbers, and all of your endless flailing around, can not change that

  • Just what kind and what level of insanity goes on in your warped spin the numbers again and again mind, Lazarus? It still comes out the same, and there are ONLY three numbers to work with. 57, 76, and 133.

  • Katia

    “Now tell me again who is actually, SCUM?”

    You are! You have a*s*s*umed a lot bub. The Nuremberg codes have nothing to do with vaccines that are already approved. Seems like you are the one lacking in knowledge, jag*o*f*f, as we Pittsburghers like to say!

  • Brooke Dunne

    Who’s the real Dumbo? Well, you are, obviously.

    One more time, nice and slow

    Of the cases WHERE VACCINATION STATUS WAS KNOWN

    57 were Unvaccinated
    25 were Vaccinated with at least 1 dose of measles vaccine.

    That leaves 57 cases WHICH CANNOT BE COUNTED as VACCINATED or UNVACCINATED.

    That’s not spinning the numbers. That’s putting it as plainly as possible. Every post you make just shows you can COPY+PASTE but can’t read or do simple math.

  • Why would, and did you take a profile picture, that looks like you are blind? And you obviously haven’t taken, and/or uploaded a new picture in years. Most people at least look at the camera. Very strange.

  • Ron Roy

    Glad to see you’re well educated. That being said then wouldn’t object to a public debate, with me, on the efficacy, history and safety of vaccines. I will pay all your expenses if you will come to my hometown. I will rent a hall that will accommodate 400 plus people and we / I could invite the press to witness and report the outcome. There is one catch though. Well let the audience with a show of hand judge as to who won the debate and if I did you reimburse me all the expenses.

  • Tids1960

    Kat…
    I your Woo Woo is showing…

  • It does not say at all that “OF” those 57 unvaccinated, that 25 had at least 1 or more doses of measles vaccine. That number as actually out there unconnected, as to thew wording. You simply assume for your own in denial purposes, that to be the case. In fact if anything, having had 1 or more doses of MMR vaccine, SHOULD put those people in the vaccinated category. 76 + 25 = 101 vaccinated people out of 133 in the outbreak, which brings us to it being approximately correct that the outbreak contained 86% that were vaccinated.

    How do you even possibly spin that figure into a conclusion of that leaves 57 cases which can not be counted as vaccinated, or unvaccinated. That claim is entirely preposterous. The article clearly referred to them as unvaccinated. There are only three numbers to work with here, 57, 76, and 133. That 25 figure doesn’t in any reality, even help you. You can deny it all you want. You people sure know how to waste a persons time.

    Furthermore, we do not need to end the evidence for measles vaccine failure there, as we as well have also a quite long list of then here.

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • AutismDad

    The BS for sure.Immunization coordinator?? You don’t need qualifications such as VACCINE RESEARCHER/ EXPERT for that. What a hoot, you worked where vaccines were given. The janitor could claim that too.

  • AutismDad

    BEE-YUK-BUC-BUC

  • Tids1960

    A Hall ?
    No…no…
    She’d end up dancing not debating

  • AutismDad

    WHOA there’s some of Katia’s expertise on display

  • AutismDad

    But he may have been in a building where vaccines were given, so he’s got similar credentials to you.

  • AutismDad

    Trollapolooza

  • AutismDad

    Welcome Troll. Tell us something funny. You may as well entertain us as you loiter

  • AutismDad

    Death is death….hmmmm logical

  • AutismDad

    Clean water as a benefit was likely spoiled by exposure via diapers in the vaccinated.

  • AutismDad

    Please like us to some Three Stooges Movies. I imagine you have that at your fingertips.

  • AutismDad

    He’s on formaldehyde

  • I am not assuming anything. I tell it like it is; the facts are the facts; and the Nuremberg code clearly applies to vaccines in this case.

    Parents clearly are being provided fully informed consent. Vaccines being mandated for school, clearly again involve an uninformed lack of informed consent; and just to allow their child to attend a school. Parents at the schools are not informed of available vaccine exemptions, and most of the time they are hit with a wall of lack of cooperation and outright denial of that availability, and until the parents do their own independent research, and often end up having to get the exemption paperwork directly from the state.

    Now as well simply due to the false and intended Disneyland measles fear mongering scare; they have pushed for legislative removal of parental vaccine exemptions state by state. A new bill has been introduced at the federal level which also intends to remove all but the medical exemption. An exemption that the CDC now controls the very reckless and restrictive criteria on, and it all amounts to a very dangerous situation.

    MEDICAL NUREMBERG FOR CDC NOW
    http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/medical-nuremberg-for-cdc-now

    HHS(.)gov
    U.S. Department of Health & Human Services
    The Nuremberg Code
    http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/archive/nurcode.html

    Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights
    http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

    The CDC’s Role in Undoing Vaccine Exemptions: the NACCHO Front Group
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdcs-role-undoing-vaccine-exemptions-naccho-front-group-1

    STATEMENT OF POLICY – NACCHO
    Eliminating Personal Belief Exemptions from Immunization Requirements
    for Child Care and School Attendance
    http://naccho.org/advocacy/positions/upload/11-06-Personal-Belief-Exemptions-2.pdf

    Drug companies donated millions to California lawmakers before vaccine debate
    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article24913978.html

  • AutismDad

    Its in his brainfarts, and plenty of it.

  • Brooke Dunne

    Stupid, CA DPH did not count the 25 among the 57 unvaccinated. They’re counting them among those for “whom we have vaccination documentation.”

    Among measles cases for whom we have vaccination documentation, 57 were unvaccinated and 25 had 1 or more doses of MMR vaccine.

    133 cases total
    57 unvaccinated
    25 vaccinated (1 or more doses of MMR vaccine)
    51 cases unknown vaccination status

    Here’s another way of explaining it:

    Measles Outbreak — California, December 2014–February 2015
    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6406a5.htm

    You could not possibly make yourself look any dumber. Why would anyone care what other “evidence” you think you have, when you can’t even understand the simple sentence above?

  • There is obviously no way to sugar coat that kind of reality; so don’t expect it.

  • In fact if you added those 25 people into the vaccinated side of it that seems uncertain as to how they added it in or were applying it, and that they say had one or more doses of measles vaccine; you would then get 101 vaccinated individuals, out of 133 cases in the outbreak, and which makes it even worse. That would bring us approximately to the 86% figure that were vaccinated, as as they had stated in the two articles.

    And what about all these other outbreaks of measles in the vaccinated, with 80 to 90% figures, and that are listed on this page?

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    It is really nice that you are so arrogant and disrespectful, that you call the articles readers, Lurkers.

  • Brooke Dunne

    I’m not polite with stupid people.

    The California HealthLine article cites NPR “Shots.” Follow the link and you find:

    Of the people who got sick and for whom the state could determine vaccination status, 57 people hadn’t been vaccinated against measles and 20 people had had at least one shot of the vaccine.

    Notice that “for whom the state could determine vaccination status” thingee.

    Guess what? Half the people infected had no vax records. You can’t count them as vaccinated or unvaccinated.

    Only 20 some people were known to have been vaccinated, not 76 as you want to think.

    As Al mentions above, that’s doesn’t even count the thousands of people potentially exposed at the park that day who didn’t catch the measles.

  • Katia

    Against my better judgement, jag, I’ll respond. You seem unable to read. I said I’ve given thousands of immunizations.

  • Tids1960

    I see you have a history with Al…

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    .

    Oh please you start nearly every response with a personal attack of some sort..
    This week in Lowell quotes:
    are you as well even so blind and stupid as to have never seen the evidence of chemtrails?
    The real whack job is actually and clearly, you.
    I can only hope that someday you simply burn in hell, for all your repeat deception, denial, and for your lies,
    you are just another mindless and in denial, sheeple?
    you clearly are beyond lost, and a loser. Pitiful and beyond pathetic.
    You don’t make the rules here.. a..hole.
    OMG, how demented, twisted, and evasive can one human being get?
    What a sick, sick, and again endlessly sick waste of time you people are.
    you sick trolling shill toxic and contaminated, vaccine pushers?
    You pathetic loser.
    you demented, psychotic, and beyond evil; toxic and contaminated, vaccine pusher! .
    You are a liar and a deceiver, period.
    That is not ranting, unless hearing the truth, in your twisted mind, is the equivalent of ranting. You just can not handle the fact and reality of that you really suck at even beginning to debate this vaccine issue.

  • Katia

    I doubt you can understand this but:
    http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2009/05/toxin-gambit-part-1-formaldehyde.html
    ” It is endogenously produced and is involved with methylation reactions for and biosynthesis of some proteins and nucleic acids.”

    Another link you’ll probably not understand: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=218&tid=39

    More: http://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/formaldehyde#.VfIi_GO8HTM
    “ormaldehyde is essential in human metabolism and is required for the
    synthesis of DNA and amino acids (the building blocks of protein).
    Therefore, all humans have detectable quantities of natural formaldehyde
    in their circulation (about 2.5 ug of formaldehyde per ml of blood).
    Assuming an average weight of a 2-month-old of 5 kg and an average blood
    volume of 85 ml per kg, the total quantity of formaldehyde found in an
    infant’s circulation would be about 1.1 mg, a value at least five times
    more than the amount an infant would be exposed to in vaccines.”

    For a pathologist, you’re pretty dumb.

  • Katia

    Oh, he probably can and will make himself look dumber later on this evening. I’m going to watch the Steelers!

  • Really? Wake up, you have in the mix two documents and which are exactly similar for numbers. 133 in the outbreak, 57 were unvaccinated, and that leaving 76 that were vaccinated. Both are state connected documents, and the Healthline article is as well something that was said published and promoted by the AMA.

    In the Dept of Heath article it makes the additional unconnected statement that as well somehow in the mix were 25 individuals that had one or more doses of measles vaccine. So if we rightfully and additionally added that to the number that were vaccinated, lets say; what we then come up with is 101 vaccinated individuals in the outbreak. That being as well approximately an 86% figure, and just as the two said articles had stated.

    California Dept. of Public Health
    https://www.cdph.ca.gov/HealthInfo/discond/Documents/Measles_update_4-17-2015_public.pdf

    California Healthline
    http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2015/3/17/low-vaccination-rates-to-blame-for-disneyland-measles-outbreak

    And why would you continue to focus on only the false fear mongering Disney land scare, when we have additionally this long list of measles outbreak in mostly the vaccinated, and again arriving at an 80 to 90% figure? And YET they always continue to BLAME the vaccinated, and never actual and obvious vaccine failure. Repeatedly making attempts and in your denial, to spin the numbers again, simply will not change it.

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • Andrew Lazarus

    This is like watching a train wreck.

    You keep insisting that the vaccine failure rate is
    (number of vaccinated sick) divided by (number of total sick)

    The correct formula is
    (number of vaccinated sick) divided by (number of vaccinated exposed)

    You can see this with my hypothetical example, where there are only 100 unvaccinated and the all die, and 3 billion vaccinated and 200 die. According to you, the only interesting numbers are 100, 200, and 300, and the vaccine failed 67% of the time (200/300). Just ignore that you don’t believe vaccines work, and look at the story: to evaluate the vaccine you need to know that there were 2,999,999,800 vaccinated people who didn’t get sick. Obviously the vaccine worked almost all of the time. (If you don’t believe in vaccines, pretend it was clean water or kale or yoga, with the same numbers.)

    Now, for Disneyland, we don’t know how many people were exposed, but we can get the relative risk of being unvaccinated as long as we can estimate the vaxed/unvaxed split in the population. I used 95/5, but this time I will use 90/10, which change is in your favor. It turns out that the number of people exposed, which, to use a little algebra (sorry for the advanced math) I will call x, doesn’t matter in the answer.

    The likelihood that an unvaccinated person got sick is 57/0.10x. The numerator is the number who got sick, which we agree on, and the denominator is the unvaccinated part of the population, 10% of x.

    Similarly, the likelihood that a vaccinated person got sick is 76/0.90x.

    The relative risk is (57/0.10x)/(76/0.90x)=6.75. The x cancels out. That is, the unvaccinated were 6.75 times as likely to get sick. That corresponds to a vaccine failure rate of 1/6.75=14.8%.

    We can go backwards to see this. Start with 30,000 people. Vaccinate 27,000 (90%). Of that 27000, let’s have 4000 vaccine failures, which is 14.8%. Then the susceptible cohort is 4000 vaccine failures and 3000 who were never vaccinated. We expect, then, about 4 vaccine failures for every 3 unvaccinated in the sick cohort. And that matches Disney: 76=(4/3)*57.

    This isn’t insanity. This is arithmetic. You are starting from the assumption I must be wrong. But read this entire post, instead of making fun of my sunglasses, and you should see that it is correct. The alternative is that your intelligence is so subnormal that division and percentages are beyond you, but in that case what possible contribution can you make to a discussion of science?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Maybe I’ll turn to the rest of your copy-paste wall after you understand the first example.

    You already added in those 25 people. You are trying to add them in twice.

    There were 57 known unvaccinated. 25 known vaccinated. The rest (51 of them) were unknown. We got the 76 by pretending the best case for you, that all of them were vaccinated. Now you want another 25?

    It really isn’t worth discussing numbers with you until you’ve got the hang of this addition stuff.

  • Capt Ron

    The “pathologist” knows nothing about formaldehyde metabolism??? Biocemistry and human physiology should have been in the med school curriculum. I’m not ready to believe the credential!

  • The article does not state anywhere in it, that half the people infected had no vax records. In fact neither article document, does Then how would they have made any such determination, at all? It states exactly this.

    Among measles cases for whom we have vaccination documentation, 57 were unvaccinated
    and 25 had 1 or more doses of MMR vaccine.

    Again, you can spin it any what that you want to, but I know what I am seeing!!!

    California Healthline

    Background on Outbreak

    As of Friday, California had confirmed 133 cases of measles in the state linked to the outbreak that began at Disneyland. Of those, at least 57 had not been vaccinated.

    They found that the vaccination rate among individuals that were exposed to measles during the outbreak that began at Disneyland was between 50% and 86%

    http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2015/3/17/low-vaccination-rates-to-blame-for-disneyland-measles-outbreak

    California Dept. of Public Health
    https://www.cdph.ca.gov/HealthInfo/discond/Documents/Measles_update_4-17-2015_public.pdf

  • AutismDad

    Big whoop. So has Walgreens employees.

  • Brooke Dunne

    Yep. You’re stupid. I don’t need to spin anything.

    “Among measles cases for whom we have vaccination documentation”

    Now riddle me this, Dumbo. How many measles cases were there where the state had no vaccination documentation?

    Another little piece you seem confused about:
    “vaccination rate among individuals that were exposed” is not the same as “vaccination rate among individuals who contracted the measles.” Not everyone exposed got sick.

    Keep posting, so anybody who reads these comments can see what a moron you really are.

  • pathologist

    but they get hep B shot when they are 12 hours old, ie could be only 2000 g babies……….therefore on your stats, they have 2×85 ml blood is 170ml…(doesn’t sound much, but your figures here)……..ie 0.42 mg formaldehyde, one jab of 0.25 mg of formaldehyde is adding a sudden 50% extra load on their little systems……………. ??? and you think that is OK? for some babies, little premmies, they may only be 1000g or less, ie one shot of hep B, is DOUBLING the formaldehyde……………… for a person you are pretty dumb.

    “”formaldehyde is essential in human metabolism and is required for the
    synthesis of DNA and amino acids (the building blocks of protein).””
    your quote, maybe it makes them grow twice as fast eh?????? Aluminium, is required in small quantities too, but like lead, mercury, all heavy metals, you add a double load to anyones system, you are not going to be a very well person…………………….

  • pathologist

    And damn, a sudden increase of 20% times the number of vaccinations, on a heath two month old? they have five vaccines don’t they? So if they survive the doubling of formadahyde in their newborn systems from the hep B, then they have to survive at least a doubling of formaldehyde in their blood at two months, god, I had no idea it was so ridiculously high, thanks for the references! No wonder they go into shock!

  • Brooke Dunne

    Yep. You’re stupid. I don’t need to spin anything.

    “Among measles cases for whom we have vaccination documentation”

    Now riddle me this, Dumbo. How many measles cases were there where the state had no vaccination documentation?

    Another little piece you seem confused about:

    “vaccination rate among individuals that were exposed” is not the same as “vaccination rate among individuals who contracted the measles.”

    Not everyone exposed got sick.

  • Again, that information is not in there, and it is not what those two documents have stated. If there was available and detailed information as to that effect, then why was it not in there at the time it was published? There was no way to determine from what was written there, and in how it was stated, just how they used and applied that 25 individuals number.

    As to the CDC document, it is as well interesting that they state the person at ground zero of the outbreak and thus the source, is still unknown. Here we have a lower number at 110 instead of 133. 49 unvaccinated; and then give an entire deluge of back and forth information one of which is the claim that 47 and nearly half of the individuals in the outbreak had an unknown vaccination status. Really? An unknown vaccination status??? So therefore we really do not have anything at all to go on here to put the proper vaccinated verses unvaccinated situation in this outbreak in any sort of proper and accurate perspective. At least based on the CDC information.

    So this information is actually worthless as it is, and to determine anything at all that is truly significant from it. And I would more than guess that that is the way the CDC would like it to stay. With only 110 people here, they could not actually determine a vaccination status, for 47 of those people? Or did they just not want to? But yet you can see that they acquired the detailed information for the rest of it; and that they did. Makes no sense.

    [Among the 110 California patients, 49 (45%) were unvaccinated; five (5%) had 1 dose of measles-containing vaccine, seven (6%) had 2 doses, one (1%) had 3 doses, 47 (43%) had unknown or undocumented vaccination status, and one (1%) had immunoglobulin G seropositivity documented, which indicates prior vaccination or measles infection at an undetermined time. Twelve of the unvaccinated patients were infants too young to be vaccinated. Among the 37 remaining vaccine-eligible patients, 28 (67%) were intentionally unvaccinated because of personal beliefs, and one was on an alternative plan for vaccination. Among the 28 intentionally unvaccinated patients, 18 were children (aged <18 years), and 10 were adults. Patients range in age from 6 weeks to 70 years; the median age is 22 years. Among the 84 patients with known hospitalization status, 17 (20%) were hospitalized.]

    California Dept. of Public Health
    https://www.cdph.ca.gov/HealthInfo/discond/Documents/Measles_update_4-17-2015_public.pdf

    California Healthline
    http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2015/3/17/low-vaccination-rates-to-blame-for-disneyland-measles-outbreak

    Disney, Measles and the Fantasyland of Vaccine Perfection
    By Laura Hayes

    This is a 15 point explanation as to why you should not be falsely fear mongered by the Disneyland measles, get vaccinated SCAM. And this is at an excellent level of exposing the truth.

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/01/disney-measles-and-the-fantasyland-of-vaccine-perfection.html

    Measles and measles vaccines: fourteen things to consider. ~by Roman Bystrianyk (co-author Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History)
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/06/24/measles-and-measles-vaccines-fourteen-things-to-consider-by-roman-bystrianyk-co-author-dissolving-illusions-disease-vaccines-and-the-forgotten-history/#sthash.xptCslwP.dpuf

  • No what that actually is-is a set of information that allows for nothing to be determined from it as to how many in the outbreak were actually vaccinated and unvaccinated. Just exactly as I described in the reply I just made on your other post with the CDC link it. I am not reposting it again here.

  • Brooke Dunne

    “Again, that information is not in there, and it is not what those two documents have stated.”

    It’s exactly what’s stated in both links you provided. You’re just too stupid to understand what the phrase “Among measles cases for whom we have vaccination documentation” means. It means a large number of the people who got the measles at Disneyland have no vaccination records.

    I didn’t bother reading past the first sentence. I doubt anyone else will either. Stupid people who only know how to cut and paste but can’t ac tually read are kind of boring.

  • Brooke Dunne

    Great. Then repeat your b.s. line about 76 people being vaccinated again, and I’ll be happy to point out you’re either a) completely stupid; or b) a liar. As far as anyone knows, only 25 people were vaccinated.

    We also don’t know how many hundreds or even thousands of people were exposed at Disneyland, but didn’t get sick.

    Those are the facts.

  • pathologist

    Katia kindly sent me some references, further down the thread. Apparently a 1,000gm premmie baby, if formaldehyde is in hep B (I assume it is), suddenly has the formaldehyde level in blood DOUBLED> and the same for a 2 month old healthy baby of 5 kg…. who has 5 shots, the formaldehyde level insantly DOUBLED. I am TRULY SHOCKED, as a pathologist, that anyone would think instantly doubling anything in the blood, is not going to end a child, or adult into shock. As the reference is from a pro vaxxer, I can only assume the reference is true…………….if you change any levels, instantly, even by 20% the body goes into shock, anything, you lose 20% blood volume, instantly, you go into shock, add 20% of anything suddenly, again, body goes into shock……… yet the formaldehye DOUBLES> and they vaccine manufacturers hide this? I am truly horrified.

  • pathologist

    Injecting vaccines, my god, if you don’t realise a 1,000 g pemmie baby is injected, and blood concentration of formaldehyde DOUBLES, and a 2 month old healthy baby, given five vaccines, again formaldehyde doubles, IN THE BLOOD INSTANTLY< your reference, I am truly shocked, yes I thank you for the reference, I would never, ever have thought anyone in their right mind, would instantly DOUBLE the levels of anything in someones blood, and NOT expect a severe shock reaction. I am amazed, you sent me this reference, yet you didnt understand it yourself? Why do you send references you don't understand?
    A shock reaction happens if you change anything in someones blood instantly by as little as 20%? Didn't you know this? Ingestion of poisons happens slowly, injecting that amount of anything, double???? I AM HORRIFIED!

  • Katia

    What the H*’LL are you talking about?

  • pathologist

    I never worked in an immunization clinic, thank god! I spent 15 years working taking blood samples and analysing them………… honestly Katia, please don’t post…………. if you honestly sent me a reference, that an infants blood is suddenly double in formaldehye, if a premmie baby, or a healthy baby at 2 months getting the prescribed vaccines, OMG, and you didnt even understand the reference you sent me??????? ……….. changing blood levels of anything instantly by as little as 20% sends the body into shock! Poor babies!
    The reference you sent quoted a change in 2 months old babys formaldehyde levels of around 20%, from ONE VACCINE….. even one vaccine, would send the body into shock, but FIVE or more vaccines?

  • pathologist

    The reference, didn’t you send me a few references on formadehyde levels in vaccines, the interesting one was the blog page. YOU quoted me the amount of formaldehyde in a persons blood, per ml….. and quoted how much formldehyde was in vaccines…………..is your reference correct? The references about how much formaldehyde in air, etc is quite irrelevant, we are talking about blood levels……….did you quote the correct levels, or I hope to god my calculations are incorrect? you said a 2 month old only gets around a 20% increase in blood levels of formaldehyde from one vaccine, this is far, from minor, when injected into the blood………… Do you vaccinate? you must be told to go for muscle, and avoid veins, surely??
    ie my calculations, from you references, a baby at 1,000 gm ( a premmie), vaccined at 12 hours, has double formaldehyde in its blood INSTANTLY, and a 2 months old if getting only 5 vaccines, also instantly has double the formaldehyde in its blood….. how does nay baby survive?

  • CharlieB1972

    Why is whooping cough on the rise? That’s at least partly on the anti-vaxxers. Hyped-up reports about the cellular pertussis vaccine in the early 1980s gave a boost to the anti-vaccine movement. Vaccination rates declined sharply, aned pertussis started to make a comeback. In response, the acellular vaccine was introduced to deal with the exaggerated concerns about safety. It was less effective than the cellular vaccine. Anti-vaxxers then turned around and blasted the acellular vaccine that their activism had brought about.

    Continuing vaccine refusal is also a problem that leads to higher rates of infection. Again, we have the anti-vaxxers to thank for that.

    http://blogs.plos.org/thepanicvirus/2012/09/13/the-whole-cell-pertussis-vaccine-media-malpractice-and-the-long-term-effects-of-avoiding-difficult-conversations/

  • CharlieB1972

    Anti-vaxxers can cherry-pick individual outbreaks, but here’s the big picture. Percentage of school children vaccinated for whooping cough:

    Mississippi: 99.7
    Colorado: 81

    Whooping cough incidence in cases per 100,000:

    Mississippi: 2.6
    Colorado: 27.8

    Another win for vaccines! Unfortunately, Colorado is paying the price for its high rate of vaccine refusal.

  • pathologist

    Katia sent me a reference, hope you read it, she obviously knows nothing about pathology, and blood levels… quoting stuff to baffle people, without understanding it herself? I am truly shocked, expecting that doubling anything in a person (or baby’s blood), instantly, is minor? She quoted a level of formaldehyde only going up 20% in a healthy 2 month old, from one vaccine…….. change blood levels by 20% suddenly, sends people into shock….let alone 5 vaccines, and doubling the levels????? And that is just the formaldehyde content…….. I truly had no ideas, the levels of these toxic substances were so damn high! They must try and avoid veins as much as they can, when they inject, god If they hit near a vein? Yes toxic death.

  • CharlieB1972

    The blame for recent increases in measles cases fall squarely upon the shoulders of the anti-vaxxers. Still, measles cases, and the resulting complications from them, are a tiny fraction of what they were before the vaccine.

  • CharlieB1972

    “In 100% vaccinated herd…..Vaccine immunity lasts about 5 years………”

    The measles vaccine seems to last for life, as do several other vaccines.
    Y
    “We will just take the pertussis vaccine. At vaccination it is 20% failure, at 5 years it is 70% failure, at 10 years 100% failure, to prevent pertussis…”

    You get boosters for vaccination for pertussis, so plenty of the vaccinated continue to avoid getting sick.

    Natural immunity to pertussis, which is often bought at the price of three months of horrible suffering, lasts for 20 years at most, so that’s a 100% “failure” as well by your logic.

    “HPV vaccines are expected to last five years?”

    No, just because you get multiple doses of a vaccine doesn’t mean that it only lasts for a few years. Getting extra doses raises the probability that the vaccine works. For example, getting vaccinated once for measles is about 95% effective, but the second dose raises the effectiveness to 99%.

  • Katia

    Two month olds usually get three shots plus oral rota vaccine. Here’s an article about formaldehyde for you. https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/

    Another: http://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/formaldehyde#.VfI_TeDnbmw

    Note the vaccines that contain formaldehyde. The typical newborn vaccines are pediatric, prevnar, hib and rotavirus. Note only pediarix has ANY formaldehyde. Calm down!

    Here’s another: http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2012/04/demystifying-vaccine-ingredients.html

  • pathologist

    FDA report 2013, pertussis vaccine “”reduces severity of the illness”” (does not stop the illness.). means those without symptoms can and do spread the illness. ND NO ONE KNOWS! The pre 1995 vaccine worked better but was too dangerous to use……..so , the post 1995 acellular (part vaccine)…short term protection and while protected with the vaccine, the vaccinated person, without symptoms, can and do infect others……”””” Add to this those who sill have vaccine immunity, can and do carry wild pertussis for up to 8 weeks, after infection, with no symptoms, and you wonder why there is a rise in pertussis? The rise is in direct proportion to increase use of the vaccine. The vaccine is killing babies, why? because mothers, and siblings,(fully and up to date vaccinated)… even if they have no symptoms infect the baby, who is too young to be vaccinated, and the vaccine immunity produces no mothers antibodies for the baby…………..Merck Murder. All the recent baby deaths, the babies have caught the infection from a fully vaccinated person, with no symptoms……… The only safe person around a newborn IS A NON VACCINATED PERSON WITH NO SYMPTOMS!

  • Katia

    Just who the h*ll are you to tell me not to post? Not all vaccines have formaldehyde. You’re no damn pathologist.

  • CharlieB1972

    “All the recent baby deaths, the babies have caught the infection from a fully vaccinated person, with no symptoms………”

    Citation, please. From a credible medical journal. Your rear does not count as a source.

    Anti vaxxers are fascinated with ellipses, caps lock, and punctuation-fests. I’m not sure why that is. Do they think that it adds to the quality of the arguments.

  • Katia

    I believe he’s both.

  • Katia

    No, dumb bunny, an infant of two months gets four vaccines, and two don’t have any thimerosal. You make a lot of a*S*S*umptions.

  • pathologist

    Speak to me Capt Ron, not Katia, do tell me all about formaldehyde metabolism, and how an instant increase of what? Lets say 3 jabs have formaldehyde, at 2 months old, 60% increase in formaldehyde levels, in the blood…. (( is it in hep B shot? what levels?))) How a sudden shock change in blood levels, has ANYTHING TO DO WITH FORMADLDEHYDE METABOLISM? We metabolise oxygen too, but increase an infants healthy oxygen level the blood by 60,, one serious sick or dead baby………..

  • Just because the CDC put that information forward does not mean that it directly correlates with what the CA information put forth. Does the CDC control everything? Ahh yes, their to much to lose arse’s and their minions control most of it. Do you want to tell me WHY there was not more information in those CA directed article links? And that if there was so much more information? Information by and on the CDC’s terms that were was absolutely amounting to determining nothing, and as always.

    You can call me stupid and dumb all that you want, but in reality I am one of the most informed vaccine truth promoting reply posters that you will ever find, and you likely do know that. Coming from you a vaccine shill that revolves around about a dozen other vaccine shills in the discus that are all following each other and as I can see; your sick and angry insults, mean absolutely nothing to me. Nothing.

    How can you claim to finding anything significant within that CA Disneyland info, and when about half of the outbreak had what the CDC claims is no identified vaccination status? How many were older adults that they forgot about in regard to their so called vaccine derived herd immunity claims? Some maybe not vaccinated for 10 years or even several decades. So much for vaccine derived herd immunity. Do you then if you believe in vaccine derived herd immunity, also then believe that everyone would need to be vaccinated from the cradle to the grave, with toxic and contaminated vaccines? And why is is and as the CDC puts forth that you believe that vaccine derived herd immunity can be achieved by ONLY vaccinating the babies, children, and teens? I have not been vaccinated in over 4 decades, and there are thousand and if not millions of adults in the US who as well have not. Or if so, very minimally.

    So when we have these outbreaks when will the CDC be able to accurate get a vaccination record on all individuals in the outbreak? They do not want to ever create that outcome, and because they already know what is going on with these vaccine failures for both measles, and pertussis. Why did they not just ask those people in the outbreak, when was the last time you were vaccinated for measles? Did they even talk to any of them that they say no vaccination record was available? The entire vaccine issue is a preposterous situation that is full of nothing but endless deception.

  • Katia

    Apparently these sages on this thread with their pseudo-medical backgrounds (phlebotomists, janitors, etc) are totally unfamiliar with the nurse practice acts of EVERY state which require a nurse to know the actions, possible side effects, etc of every med she (and 90%+ are shes) gives. I presume the same is true of pharmacists who give vaccines. I’m sick of you know-nothings who have never given a med to anyone other than themselves and/or a family member thinking we health professionals are nothing more than “useful idiots”.

  • Al Mather

    That is idiot math…you are not representing the facts correctly at all. Of those WITH DOCUMENTATION.. 25 had one or more doses…as far as we know FACTUALLY they may be the only vaccinated in the out break..AT LEAST 57 we have proof were NOT vaccinated ..Since being vaccinated creates documentation we can more than likely assume most if not all of the remainder were unvaccinated …another 51. Show me FACTS from that document that say anything else.

  • CharlieB1972

    By all means, feel free to explain how “perfect sanitation” wiped out smallpox in developing countries by the late 1970s, when we still can’t drink the water there four decades later. Describe how smallpox sanitation, polio sanitation, cholera sanitation, and measles sanitation are all different.

  • pathologist

    Capt Ron, I don’t give a rats arse if you don’t believe my credentials, but damn it says a lot about yours and Katias credentials in the rubbish you both post. you don’t even know what biochemistry is obviously………… even a moron knows to change a blood level so radically, instantly, is going to send send a person/y into shock,

  • CharlieB1972

    A lot of handwaving and dancing around the fact that measles incidence plummeted after the vaccine was introduced.

  • You said you were done, you personally poisoning the infants and children with injected toxic and contaminated vaccines, and proud of it, vaccine shill. Would you be even happy if all of humanity was force vaccinated and including you, with every vaccine on the CDC schedule; would that be enough for you. Everyone from just born infants to old grandma and grandpa. Cradle to the grave. Did you know there are now about 270 vaccines additionally in the for profit and no liability for a nyone pipeline looking for approval? And you are willing to take all of those too, if the CDC puts them on the vaccine schedule?

    Press Release | Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:00am EDT

    More Than 270 Vaccines in Biopharmaceutical Pipeline Offer Hope to Prevent/Treat Wide Array of Diseases
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/11/dc-phrma-idUSnBw115252a+100+BSW20130911

  • pathologist

    Yes a nurse, I apologise, you of course are welcome to post, everyone has an opinion. But I am correct, you give injections have not performed biochemistry/haematology/microbiology work, have you? And I apologise as your extremely rude tone, sounds so much like a troll……and that rude tone has affected me, and I am using the same tone…. but my shock that you do not realise such a rise in chemicals, or anything in the blood of even 20% is minor?????????? IT CERTANLY ISNT MINOR And a rise of 100%? hope you never hit anywhere near a vein with those toxic jabs. But of course nurses and immunization co ordinators, aren’t the ones to pick up the pieces, when the jabs go wrong ….they blame everything else…………… the tests go to pathology..

  • CharlieB1972

    1. You don’t understand the difference between cross-sectional and time series data.
    2. SIDS deaths have declined as the vaccination schedule has increased. Randomly yelling “VACCINES!” at something doesn’t mean that vaccines caused it.
    3. Denying the existence of shaken baby syndrome and giving a free pass to criminals who kill their babies? The anti-vaxxers are willing to go there if they can have one more thing to yell “VACCINES!” at. That’s how vile the anti-vaccine cult is.

  • CharlieB1972

    By all means, feel free to explain how sanitation wiped out smallpox in developing countries by the late 1970s, when we still can’t drink the water there four decades later. Describe how smallpox sanitation, polio sanitation, cholera sanitation, and measles sanitation are all different.

  • Katia

    You’ve been ruder than rude. No, I never did that kind of work. You are assuming every vaccine has that much formaldehyde when some have none.

    Yeah, those Nurse Ratcheds. Or is it the nurse prostitutes? You anti-vaxers are the nastiest people on the internet!

    You’re a pathologist like I’m Tinkerbell.

  • pathologist

    I have met some pretty dumb nurses in my life….One refused to give A- blood to an A + patient That was a riot of a joke in pathology.. do you understand that ????

  • Al Mather

    and nor

  • pathologist

    I have taken thousands of blood tests, and did the tests, anyone can give a damn jab, then the patient leaves, and collapses at home….. ……… and those giving the jabs, don’t see or do the blood tests, and the microbiology tests when things go wrong..

  • Katia

    Right, because we know all nurses are prostitutes. The ones that aren’t the reincarnation of Nurse Ratched, that is.

  • Oh yaa right, and how many hours do even doctors and pediatricians get in the recognition of and identification of adverse reactions to vaccines. The answer is little to none. From what I here from parents with vaccine injured children, and those with a Gardasil injured and unrecovered from for the outcome, teens, and young women, the doctors are actually clueless and always claim that is all a coincidence, and in attempting to blame it anything but the vaccine.

    You can place yourself on your false informed pedestal all day long, but the reality of what you are saying is obviously and entirely something far different.

    Didn’t you also say earlier that Gardasil was safe and effective, and that it had been proven to prevent cervical cancer? How actually and entirely mislead are you anyway? Everything is always a coincidence. Until again vaccine manufacturers can be directly sued for their liability, NOTHING is ever going to change.

    Just believing anything that you are fed. You swarming in here vaccine reply posting shills have turned this reply posting section on this article, into one of the most in denial, wicked, and the sickest reply posting sections, ever.

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety “HPV Vaccine Has Done This to My Child”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

    Gardasil-The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil—the-real-truth.html

  • Katia

    Well, aren’t you special! I have never in all my nursing career received a call from a patient who collapsed at home, this despite all these nutty stories on the internet about the thousands of patients this supposedly happens to.

  • pathologist

    so does that mean two or four have formaldehyde? you know your vaccines, I don’t. I know my biochemistry, pathology, and microbiology and haematology…… What level of formaldehyde? How much formaldehyde is in the Hep B shot babies get? This is deadly serious… might become very obvious why premmie babies are dying so suddeny after a hep B shot?

  • Getting pretty bold there aren’t you; with that level of misleading false information, and literal vaccine insanity?

    How do you explain that you believe that ONLY infants, children, and teens need to be vaccinated to attain that so called vaccine derived herd immunity? For DECADES in the US alone, thousands if not millions of adults have never been revaccinated since childhood, and at a time as well when there were only 5 vaccines; as when I was a child. I have not been revaccinated in over 4 decades, and even with a gun put to my head, as to a forced vaccination; I would still REFUSE. That is how much I have researched, how much I know, and that I know is entirely wrong with the process of injecting toxic and potentially contaminated, vaccines.

    The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

  • Katia

    Well, you think you know everything about vaccines. Generally preemie babies under 2000 gm don’t get hep B until 1 month unless their moms are positive for Hep B themselves or their status (mom’s) is unknown. Do you have some data about preemie babies dying after Hep B or is this simply another woo thing?

    http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/idepc/diseases/hepb/perinatal/preterminfantvaxserology.pdf

  • AD: you, the king of trolls, referring to anyone else as a troll is nothing short of hilarious.

  • Lol, another clueless idiot heard from. Nice of you to make Katia’s point for her.

  • pathologist

    How can you possibly know the side effects of every drug? You know what to do if a patient suddenly goes into cardiac arrest, you know what to do if they go into shock…you know what to do if… they blow up like a balloon, you ring the doctor!.. that is what nurses do….A nurse is trained to recognise a reaction , and ring a doctor, and/or treat it…….. you don’t have to know what each drug causes, what, that is absurd. Every drug has a list of about 300 side effects, average, do you know those all off by heart????????? If someone has a severe reaction to anything, who do you call? The doctor, who does the doctor call? the pathologist……. the only ones who truly know the side effects of ANYTHING, ARE PATHOLOGISTS.

  • Lol

  • Katia

    I wonder, if Suzanne Humphries or Sherrie Tenpenny told these guys to jump off a bridge, would they? They believe every freaking thing these sorry excuses for doctors tell them! Dr. Sears and his buds too. I’m sure if Wakefield told them to do it they would!

  • pathologist

    Gardasil has never been proven to prevent cancer, and is unlikely to stop 4 strains of hp for any longer than 5 years……… That is pathology talk……………. How can a nurse claim such things as proven to prevent cancer? What reference?

  • And why would she even give you that damning information, and then turn around and deny what was there. And can you believe that these people like her have been admitted and former career, vaccinator’s.

    Did she not as well see also and what is well known, that babies in the NICU that get vaccinated always end up getting more closely monitored, and the outcome is also often that they need further advanced intensive care after being vaccinated, and they openly say that they prepare for it. Yet they say that vaccines are proven to be safe and effective. LIARS.

  • I think you’re right. The real question is why do they choose to believe these disgraced quacks and unqualified “doctors” over the vast majority of the scientific and medical community?

  • pathologist

    I’m sick of a pseudo doctor ie nurse, being so rude and nasty…. … who are you directing the above comment to? Everyone on this thread???? Or do you often ramble on to yourself?

  • And after the FDA refusing to recall Gardasil and with even all the know risk issues, and as well the contamination issues that are know, they again approve at the FDA, another Gardasil, Gardasil 9. This situation, is for profit and to much to lose the truth be known, entirely SICK! No liability for anything, and now since 1987.

  • pathologist

    Why don’t you have a private conversation, and keep all your pure absolute nastness, with no information whatsoever of relevance, off the thread, if you want to rant and rave, just stand and do it.

  • pathologist

    A 100% increase in the formadehyde levels in an infant, given vaccinatons, is not a minor increase, I am shocked that a nurse would consider this OK? Or even a damn 20% increase in blood levels of anything IS NOT OK!

  • Katia

    “How can you possibly know the side effects of every drug?”

    You look it up, dingbat! And the ones you give a lot, you commit to memory. Damn right I’m being rude. I never met a ruder bunch of people on the web, ever! Nurses aren’t “trained” like dogs; we’re educated. Pathologists don’t know sh*t about immunizations. The only doctors who know IZs well are pediatricians and family practitioners who see a lot of kids.

  • These people are simply entirely evil, and SICK. No doubt about it. That is absolutely the only conclusion that can be made. This is what the standard and so failed big pharma based medical model, has produced.

  • Katia

    That’s bull! The original immunizees from 9 years ago are still immune, dope!

  • You sound like a frustrated MD-wannabe with a hero complex.

  • You are delusional. You are in denial. You are still munching on the fake big pharma sheeple grass. And you are STILL drinking the Big Pharma misleading and to much to lose the truth be known… Kool-aid. Face it.

  • pathologist

    Oh, from a nurse!???? And you pulled me up for being rude, and I apologised? Rudeness, just shows ignorance….. so if you give a person a drug, and they have a cardiac arrest, you look up the drug, to see if cardiac is listed? Dont be ridiculous! So you better trained than a pathologist? Hardly if you told me giving a baby a 20% increase in formaldehyde in blood levels, is harmless? IN ONE VACCINATION>

  • Brooke Dunne

    > “WHY there was not more information in those CA directed article links?”

    Take it up with CA Dept of Health.

    The same basic information was there. You’re just too stupid to understand what simple phrase like “Among measles cases for whom we have vaccination documentation” means.

    > “I am one of the most informed vaccine truth promoting reply posters”

    Sadly, that’s probably true. A complete frigging idiot, about as misinformed as any other I’ve seen.

  • Katia

    No, dipstick, you look it up before you give it, if you’re not familiar with it.

  • pathologist

    Who the hell is Suzanne Humphries and Sherrie Tenpenny? Are they pathologists?

  • Katia

    You’re a pseudo-doctor, a phelbotomist who calls him/herself a pathologist.

  • Brooke Dunne

    Go Steelers ;)

  • Prove it. Originally the outcome in the Gardasil clinical trials and later on showed as for any anti body titer’s, anywhere from to two, to possibly five years at best. You is the only measure of vaccine safety and effectiveness, in your mind, all only about vaccine antibody titers? You ignore anything that is put in front of you. You know it all, right?

    HPV VACCINE VAERS REPORTS UP TO JULY 2015

    Description Total

    Disabled 1,357

    Deaths 232

    Did Not Recover 7,883

    Abnormal Pap Smear 602

    Cervical Dysplasia 268

    Cervical Cancer 104

    Life Threatening 696

    Emergency Room 12,677

    Hospitalized 4,083

    Extended Hospital Stay 272

    Serious 5,532

    Total Adverse Events 40,215

    http://sanevax.org/

    VAERS is know to contain a known reporting factor of only 1 to 10% of the reportable reactions and deaths.

    Mostly because doctors are to pharma school brainwashed to recognize that vaccine injuries are real and that they are not just a coincidence related to something else, that of course they can again bilk the patient for in regard to diagnostics, and their worthless and dangerous treatments.

    How much of this can you stomach, in one day?

  • pathologist

    Why are you so nasty, do you talk to all the pathologists and doctors like that? I don’t believe you are a nurse. Nurses have more respect for those in authority.

  • pathologist

    But damn I know my stuff, don’t I? Whatever I claim to be?
    Quick question, do you give A- blood to an A+ person?

  • Katia

    You can, but it’s generally not done because a complete match is best.

  • Katia

    You’re delusional if you think you’re a doctor and I owe you any respect.

  • CharlieB1972

    Of all the vaccines, Gardasil has the most overhyped claims of injury.

  • pathologist

    You aint no nurse!!!!!!!!!!! Cheers!

  • No YOU are the FALSE doctor, and being that you admitted to being a former standard medical model vaccinating nurse, that is even more despicable; and when you refer to the real and proven non toxic physiologically based healers, as pseudo doctors. Wake up.

  • CharlieB1972

    Katia calls the anti-vax loon doctors what they are. Good for her!

  • pathologist

    Charlie are you a petend nurse also?

  • Really? And its all a coincidence and it is all their head, and even the deaths, right? Had to be something, else?

    HPV VACCINE VAERS REPORTS UP TO JULY 2015

    Description Total

    Disabled 1,357

    Deaths 232

    Did Not Recover 7,883

    Abnormal Pap Smear 602

    Cervical Dysplasia 268

    Cervical Cancer 104

    Life Threatening 696

    Emergency Room 12,677

    Hospitalized 4,083

    Extended Hospital Stay 272

    Serious 5,532

    Total Adverse Events 40,215

    http://sanevax.org/

    VAERS is known to contain a reporting factor of only 1 to 10% of the reportable reactions and deaths.

    Mostly because doctors are to pharma school brainwashed to recognize that vaccine injuries are real and that they are not just a coincidence related to something else, that of course they can again bilk the patient for in regard to diagnostics, and their worthless and dangerous treatments.

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

    Gardail-The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil—the-real-truth.html

  • Says one of the most twisted vaccine shill LOONS, ever. You have an obvious major inability to face reality. Who pays you for that?

  • pathologist

    I have never said I was a doctor………….. but your one mean nurse! Who seems to kown very little about nursing.

  • CharlieB1972

    You think I do crack, man? When you do crack, you’re runnin’ up and down and left and right and back and forth and this way and that way. You’re just like the hamster on his little wheel, and that’s really jive, dude! I’d rather do something a lot more cool than that.

    I’m, like, too high to explain the formaldehyde thing right now, but check out Katia’s post. It’s the first step towards Enlightment. The second step is ‘shrooms, MAAAAAN!

  • pathologist

    You sound like an idiot, no more replies to you, you don’t even know as much as Katia, and she knows very little. Information is respected, as for the brilliant reference Katia gave to me..(shame she didn’t understand reference)…. you have no references no information, why don’t you just go punch a punching bag?

  • There was no information at all; and beyond the four outcome numbers that were there. Just admit it. The CDC will never present for us any actually useful information that shows the real outcome for vaccines; and they surely again did not in that statics article

    Thanks for the continued insults. Your mindless and angry denial of vaccine truth, and your personal attacks, mean absolutely nothing to me.

  • CharlieB1972

    VAERS is also filled with events that happened after vaccination that are not the consequence of being vaccinated, such as car accidents and falling into a well.

  • pathologist

    How comes I hear of so many premmie babies getting vaccines? Anyway, thankyou for the information, therefore a 2000mg baby (4 1/2 pound, thereabouts)…only has its formaldehyde levels raised instantly from 100% to 150% and you think that is a small amount? Imagine if any levels in anything in the blood changed suddenly by 50%? Poor little babies, that is appalling, no wonder so may premmies are dying after the jab, and at a healthy 9 pound ie 4 kilos, they still getting a sudden 25% increase????????????????? Do the put that in Vitamin K jabs, I assumed vitamin K jabs are just Vitamin K, can you tell me ?? But I have obviously been wrong assuming vaccines were safe, full stop.

  • CharlieB1972

    The Lizard People.

  • pathologist

    ??????????????????? is that a relevant comment in your language? You know less than Katia, she knows very little, so no point communicating with you, you have nothing relevant to add, obviously, no longer working in pairs, now three of you? So you not even a pretend nurse, god help us!

  • You don’t deserve the time or bandwidth it would take to tear apart your myopic and misguided views. You’re no different than any of the other clueless anti-vaxxers who put anecdotal data over facts.

  • CharlieB1972

    Mr. Hubbs asked me who pays me to shill, and I answered him. The Lizard People pay me.

  • They forgot that HPV usually resolves itself with no adverse effect, and by the immune kicking out that virus, in time. The last thing you want to do is inject a toxic and known HPV DNA contaminated vaccine, and also with that contamination known now as firmly attached to the aluminum adjuvant. Such a vaccine has the potential to entirely dysregulate the immune system, and cause potentially more cancer, than it can ever prevent. As well 44.6 percent increased chance of precancerous indicators were found in the clinical trials for those receiving Gardasil, and while having undetected one or more of the vaccine targeted strains of HPV. Found in the FDA VRBPAC preapproval agreement, 2006. All the FDA did as condition of approval was to tell Merck to study it further and report back. No one has ever seen that report; and they obviously never will.

    Merck also got away with using absolutely no true placebo during their reported on clinical trials; and that in regard to the comparison of systemic effects. One so called placebo contained the aluminum adjuvant, and the other the HPV virus like particles. The only time an true saline placebo was used, was during the injection site reactions comparisons phase of the trial. Its all in Merck’s 460 some page document that they submitted to the FDA, for approval. And now there is also the NEW Gardasil 9; said to contain a much higher aluminum adjuvant content

  • pathologist

    OMG you digging for information, arent you? What do you know about someone falling in a well? Do tell?

  • And is there anything that you would ever tell the truth about? Obviously not.

  • From the FDA:

    Formaldehyde has a long history of safe use in the manufacture of certain viral and bacterial vaccines. It is used to inactivate viruses so that they don’t cause disease (e.g., polio virus used to make polio vaccine) and to detoxify bacterial toxins, such as the toxin used to make diphtheria vaccine. Formaldehyde is diluted during the vaccine manufacturing process, but residual quantities of formaldehyde may be found in some current vaccines. The amount of formaldehyde present in some vaccines is so small compared to the concentration that occurs naturally in the body that it does not pose a safety concern.

    Formaldehyde is also produced naturally in the human body as a part of normal functions of the body to produce energy and build the basic materials needed for important life processes. This includes making amino acids, which are the building blocks of proteins that the body needs.

    Formaldehyde is also found in the environment and is present in different ways. It is used in building materials, as a preservative in labs and to produce many household products.

    The body continuously processes formaldehyde, both from what it makes on its own and from what it has been exposed to in the environment. When the body breaks down formaldehyde, it does not distinguish between formaldehyde from vaccines and that which is naturally produced or environmental. The amount of formaldehyde in a person’s body depends on their weight; babies have lower amounts than adults. Studies have shown that for a newborn of average weight of 6 – 8 pounds, the amount of formaldehyde in their body is 50-70 times higher than the upper amount that they could receive from a single dose of a vaccine or from vaccines administered over time.

    Excessive exposure to formaldehyde may cause cancer, but the latest research has shown that the highest risk is from the air when formaldehyde is inhaled from breathing, and occurs more frequently in people who routinely use formaldehyde in their jobs. There is no evidence linking cancer to infrequent exposure to tiny amounts of formaldehyde via injection as occurs with vaccines.

  • From CHoP:

    animals exposed to large quantities of formaldehyde (a single dose of 25 mg/kg or chronic exposure at doses of 80-100 mg/kg/day) do not develop malignancies.

    The average quantity of formaldehyde to which a young infant could be exposed at one time may be as high as 0.2 mg. This quantity of formaldehyde is considered to be safe for two reasons:

    Formaldehyde is essential in human metabolism and is required for the synthesis of DNA and amino acids (the building blocks of protein). Therefore, all humans have detectable quantities of natural formaldehyde in their circulation (about 2.5 ug of formaldehyde per ml of blood). Assuming an average weight of a 2-month-old of 5 kg and an average blood volume of 85 ml per kg, the total quantity of formaldehyde found in an infant’s circulation would be about 1.1 mg, a value at least five times more than the amount an infant would be exposed to in vaccines.

    Quantities of formaldehyde at least 600 times more than the amount contained in vaccines have been given safely to animals.

  • CharlieB1972

    One of the reported deaths from HPV in VAERS was from some girl falling into a well. No way you can prove that was from the vaccine.

  • pathologist

    Two don’t have thimerosal, you didn’t answer my question. We are talking about formaldehyde, how MANY OF those four vaccines THEREFORE have FORMALDEHYDE IN THEM.

  • She is just very angry, because in the back of her mind, she knows all to well that we are both right. However, and obviously here, there is absolutely never going to be any admitting to that, ever.

  • So you admit to being one of the LIZARD people, and that you are paid off by the lizard people? Imagine that.

  • CharlieB1972

    I’m not one of them. They just pay me.

  • That may be true, but is no reason to entirely disregard the over-all significance of the VAERS reports. Just because the CDC refuses to ever find anything wrong anywhere, and no common links; doesn’t make it true.

  • pathologist

    Be specific, how many, out of how many vaccinated,
    are still immune to the hpv viruses vaccinated for? How many? ???? not some are. On current research, and of course as Gardasil ie Merck would never release such poor results, after nine years, going on other research in four or more Western Nations….it would be a good result for Merck if 5% of the girls… FIVE PERCENT,
    ONE IN 20 GIRLS AFTER 9 YEARS, HAVE AN IMMUNE RESPONE…

  • If you think that made her point, then you are obviously the most out of your mind liar, ever. Do you think there can or could be any more vaccine shill liars, flocking to this article; and swarming around it like flies?

  • For what? Playing the role of a pro-vaccine fool?

  • Ahh, the shill gambit. The last desperate gasp of the clueless pro-disease troll.

  • All in your false CDC data, and pro-vaccine dreams. Keep drinking that brainwashing, Kool-aid, and munching on the mislead sheeple grass.

  • CharlieB1972

    Some people say the same thing about me that they do about Inspector Clouseau:

    “I have it on good authority that he is anything but an imbecile. That he only plays the fool.”

  • CharlieB1972

    I much prefer another type of grass, MAAAAN! Almost as much as I like the ‘shrooms!

  • The FACTS show in their data at the CDC had no documentation and no recorded vaccination data for 47 out of 110 that they detailed in their article. So therefore there is no meaningful data at all that can be acquired at all from the Disneyland so called outbreak of measles. That in regard to the vaccinated verses unvaccinated data. The CDC data is actually absolutely worthless; and that is probably what they intended to happen. The CA article documents absolutely did not reflect that fact. That is data for approximately half of the alleged outbreak. Until there is better data collected than that, there is actually and absolutely no point in even arguing the issue. Anything further is obviously just wont give it up stupidity, on your part.

  • When will you realize that quoting phrases from your worn out shilling debate manual, and as has been seen and recognized far to many times before; simply and only will end resulting in your repeated and obvious failure, time and time again. And you actually think that replying people here, are actually as ignorant of that situation, as you are?

  • You’re wasting my time.

  • Clouseau, wow. You’re wasting my time.

  • How stupid are you, really? Be honest.

  • pathologist

    Are you seriously trying to tell me injecting a baby with 600 times what is in a vaccine is safe? Since when were babies, cows? And that cows or whatever (you don’t state which animal)… given 600 times what is in vaccine didnt develop cancers? What weight were the animals, what is blood volume in those animals………. of all, what as developing cancer, got to do with babies going into shock, and dying? You don’t specifiy how many of your animals died, just that they didn’t develop cancers? A reference for this very, very appreciated, otherwise I just regard you as stupid person.

  • Brooke Dunne

    Gawd you’re dumb.

  • Brooke Dunne

    No one is forcing you to hit reply, Clown

  • F the patsies and the cheater, Brady.

  • You’re pathetic.

  • Hahah, “those in suthority?” You must have a really tiny wee wee.

  • This from a doc wannabe who can’t even spell.

  • All TOO* well

    Another spelling/grammar genius reinforcing the ignorance he has been portraying.

  • Lol @ “pathology talk!” Ooooh, so impressive! Lmfao.

  • I sure hope English isn’t your first language.

  • You’re ridiculous. I’m nearly embarrassed for you. Please tell me you’re just a troll.

  • There’s no way someone so stupid is a medical professional of any kind – not even a pathologist.

  • Hahahahahah! Intense vaccine truth research??? I can’t stop laughing! This is too easy.

  • Troll cleanup in aisle 7.

  • You are confused for thinking there is a debate to be had. This is a fallacy of false equivalence. Nothing more. You have no science to back your outrageous claims.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    He wears a wife beater, shades and a baseball hat in his YouTube videos.

  • Tids1960

    “Right, because we know all nurses are prostitutes” ~ Katia
    I did not know that… And you really should tell your confession to your psychologist, if you don’t have one I can make you an appointment.
    .
    .
    (o=

  • Remove it? Lol, you’re hilarious!

  • It’s your hell; you burn in it. Ignorant disease-pushing troll.

  • nworder

    PURE DISINFO ON THE ARITHMETIC – TO CONFUSE !

    NEARLY EVERY KID IN AMERICA IS VACCINATED.
    So if you see an outbreak of measles or mumps or whooping cough at least over 90% will have been vaccinated.
    You also have not taken into account that the vaccine actually caused the outbreak .
    The disease will be more severe BECAUSE of this vaccination . I had measles , mumps, whooping cough naturally – it was nothing – you just rested – it was over in a few days – in fact I would prefer these diseases to a heavy cold.
    My immune system is good I never get anything now it has been trained.

  • nworder

    Nurses are trained to put the pills on a tray but haven’t a clue about the effects, neither do doctors – they are trained drug and vaccine pushers for the corporations .
    Stop pretending you were a nurse.

  • nworder

    Its Al Mather in drag again lol – Baby you should look in the mirror !

  • nworder

    Go and put on more make up Al

  • nworder

    Never met a nurse who knows about side effects of anything
    – they just do what they are told by big pharma – if doctors dont read the inserts why would a nurse.
    There are good nurses out there who do their homework but you aint one of them and you are just posing as a nurse.

  • nworder

    You are Tinkerbell

  • Tids1960

    OMG….

    They all lived…!

    .

    I like the line…

    Occasionally, it can be fatal, especially in infants less than a year old, ( fear mongering )

    according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
    CDC… Known liars

    The FDA was quite the read…

    “acellular pertussis vaccines licensed by the FDA are effective in preventing the disease among those vaccinated, but suggests that they may not prevent infection from the bacteria that causes whooping cough in those vaccinated or its spread to other people, including those who may not be vaccinated.” ~ FDA

    The CDC makes Hillary look Saintly

  • Tids1960

    Indoctrinated…
    ~ It Happens ~

  • Brooke Dunne

    “Say what you will about people like Mr. Hubbs, but it is more than obvious that he is a very slow learner.”

    Understatement.

  • nworder

    And you have a PHD in make up !

  • pathologist

    have you read the new research on Chronic Fatigue syndrome, very interesting stuff…… seems the hiv and the SV40 wasnt the only non human viruses that ended up in the vaccines.

  • pathologist

    Nurses respect doctors and pathologists, end of story, if they didnt they would get sacked.

  • pathologist

    What does fawning all over me mean, you stupid woman? Never said you poisoned babies, I told you what your reference said, that one damn injection of hep b, to a 1000 gm premature baby, doubles its formaldehyde level, and you just couldnt see that that was excessive? You replied by saying they dont normally give the hep B until a baby is 2000 g ie 4 and half pounds, if that is true, you just said, in your opinion it is quite safe to raise the formaldehyde level in a babys tiny little body in the blood by 50% and you say that is safe?

  • pathologist

    She gave me the reference! She told me that a 2000 gm premmie baby, given one injection has suddently 50% more formaldehye in its blood, DAMN FORMALDEHYDE? i CANT BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE!

  • pathologist

    Then you get three jabs. And why suddenly are they all out to get rid of hpv? I wonder? Why are they deserately trying to vaccinate everyone in the world, that is young, against only 4 strains of hpv? I wonder if one strain is 6? Do tell me Charlie.

  • pathologist

    There is no report on VAERS of anyone falling down a well, so where did that nonsense come from?

  • pathologist

    REFERENCE PLEASE, sorry Katia gave me the reference, ague the point with her……………………
    Yeah the amount of formaldehyde in their body is 50 times higher than what is in an injection…………. BUT WHAT IS IN THEIR BLOOD IS TWICE AS HIGH! So you can quote all the garbage you want, unless you actually understand your own reference??? Why quote, you just dig a deeper hole, and look more of an idiot.
    I seriously would like the reference on the animals being injected 600 times the formaldehyde in a vaccine.What animals? how many died? NOT how many got cancers?

  • pathologist

    I aint an antivaxxer, I am pro truth….. When you actually quote things, you seem to quote the truth, or Katia does, she gave the reference…………. You just dont seem to be able to interpret the information you actually give me……… I will be very very basic here, for your benefit….. as an adult you could have a couple of teaspoons of coffee, in a cup, no problem,,,,,,,,,, but what do you think would happen if you injected two teaspoons of coffee, mixed in a solution, intravenously? Surely even you can get that? You take morphine for pain, a hell of a lot different, drinking it, than damn injecting it.

  • pathologist

    You are, you are absurd!

  • pathologist

    So you and Katia are the vast majority of the scientific and medical community? God help us!

  • pathologist

    Katia, do you understand what you are actually saying? You believe thimerosal is the same as formaldehyde? And you claim to know about vaccines? Apalling. Time you read the actual ingredients list of vaccines!
    Your quotes summarised, for anyone following this conversation
    No, dumb bunny, an infant of two months gets four vaccines, and two don’t have any thimerosal. You make a lot of a*S*S*umptions. My question? how many have formaldehyde… your response
    Well, you think you know everything about vaccines. And since you’re such a medical researcher (LOL!) you’d think you could subtract two from four!
    Why are you pretending you know about vaccines? You get some sort of sick thril, pretending your a nurse, you dont even know the difference between formaldehyde and thimerosal? Is that why the whole conversation has been so damn confusing, you havent a clue what you are talking about?

  • pathologist

    I dont believe she vaccinates anyone, she doesnt know the difference between formaldehyde and thimerosal? Like doesnt know the difference between a whole heap of stuff that contains mercury, how different that is to formaldehyde, used to preserve bodies? She tells me the amount of formaldehyde that is in actual vaccines, but thinks she is talking about thimerosal/mercury?

  • pathologist

    YOUR ANSWER IS STUNNING! BRILLIANT, YOU SAID IT ALL !!!! YOU HAVE NO IDEA THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MERCURY AND FORMALDEHYDE? AND YOU RECKON YOU ARE A DAMN NURSE? BLOODY HILARIOUS!

  • CharlieB1972

    Because those are the strains that are the most likely to cause cervical cancer. The new vaccine will increase that to nine cancer-causing strains.

  • pathologist

    Some references please, so clear you havent got the foggiest notion of what you are talking about, god time Merck employed someone better!

  • pathologist

    Ok try again, which ones have formaldehyde? You dont seem to know… ?

  • pathologist

    hahaha! thanks, this is a riot!

  • pathologist

    No you obviously have no idea what a debate is? You have no references given for any of your claims, you know very little about health/nursing… well anything really….. so sorry, dont think your invited!

  • pathologist

    Tinkerbell Look if you were a nurse, with knowing as little as you , you would have been sacked after the first year! and in my whole life, I have never ever heard a damn nurse, refer to her/his workmates as prostitutes??????

  • pathologist

    Tinkerbell is very unlikely to be a nurse…. and BS must mean bs, because she certainly hasnt got a bachelor of science, definitely not a nurse, I have never met a nurse ever, that doesnt know the difference between mercury and formaldehyde. All REAL nurses know what formaldehyde is.

  • Ron Roy

    Then according to your statement:”So if that “blood sludging” and mini strokes were indeed happening in
    the brain as Moulden described they would also be happening
    simultaneously throughout the body in all microvascular areas..and
    other easily detectable tissue-specific enzymes and isoenzymes levels
    would elevate following vaccination.” People who suffer blocked arteries around the heart would also have every micovascular area of the body blocked also. If that occurred the whole body would be suffering from necrosis ( tissue death ) from lack of blood circulation and we know that doesn’t happen. The blockage is LOCALIZED as are the ” brain sludging” and mini strokes.

  • pathologist

    They are back, probably, they just change their names, so in reality? for three of them, they make a lot of nonsense wind.

  • CharlieB1972

    It’s acute NON polio paralysis. If a polio epidemic is still raging through India, why doesn’t Mercola hop on a plane and test some of the most recent victims for poliovirus, which is the causative agent for polio. Not sugar, not DDT,and not the smallpox vaccine. The poliovirus. If he can prove that, then you’re getting somewhere.

    He can afford it, considering the size of his mansion. Do you know how he got that mansion? By selling unregulated woo supplements to anti-vaxxers! Mercola, Tenpenny, Humphries et. al. are just using you guys.

  • pathologist

    Well Tinkerbell told me that two out of four vaccines given at two months contain her quote “”””an infant of two months gets four vaccines, and two don’t have any thimerosal.”” one would assume she means two therefore have thimerosal, is this correct Lowell??? However she was confused with formaldehyde… how many vaccines does a 2 month old get with formaldehyde in please Lowell, could you tell me? Because if they have five shots with formaldehyde, their boor little blood levels instantly double in the amount fo formaldehyde in their poor little bodies, can you imagine the shock, that would do to a baby? Yes you can imagine!

  • pathologist

    OMG and hep B, newborn premmie baby, first shot, could double the formaldehyde in the blood in that poor little body.

  • pathologist

    And look deeper into why they want to vaccinate the wold for HPV strain 6? All the young kids……….. why? Even though they know the death and damage Gardasil, etc, it is causing, and why vaccinate boys??? …….. It is very alarming…. Research Non HIV Aids……………..and remember that all these viruses originally infected us from infected batches of vaccine……….

  • pathologist

    Hi Al no point giving you references you dont know how to read them, so stick with wiki.

  • pathologist

    Add CFS, Fibromyaligia, MS, now all reclassified as non HIV AIDS…………… and of course AIDS, all from vaccines.

  • Ron Roy

    Peer reviewed? Your kidding right? No medical journal would ever publish anything negative concerning vaccines their very existence depends on the advertizing from the pharmaceutical industry.

  • nworder

    Have you seen the size of the pharma top boys mansions
    AND they got it for murdering and sickening defenceless infants by bribing congress.
    Only one species is lower than them – the trolls – who justify their crimes for a comparative pittance .

  • pathologist

    OK we will collect your fart, and inject it?

  • Ron Roy

    Then Katia doesn’t have anything to worry about and would be getting a mini-vacation in the White Mountains of NH at my expense. Oh not to mention she would be enlightening people as to the benefits of vaccines. lol

  • pathologist

    Direct quote from Tinkerbell, a nurse who has done thousands of vaccinations, over a 25 year career, has a BS and has found this very wonderful reference, which you can find the actual reference to, further down the thread.

    “”Therefore, all humans have detectable quantities of natural formaldehyde
    in their circulation (about 2.5 ug of formaldehyde per ml of blood).
    Assuming an average weight of a 2-month-old of 5 kg and an average blood
    volume of 85 ml per kg, the total quantity of formaldehyde found in an
    infant’s circulation would be about 1.1 mg, a value at least five times
    more than the amount an infant would be exposed to in vaccines.””
    The actual reference quotes that would be per vaccine.

    Therefore if an infant is 1,000 gm, a premature baby, the baby is injected with the same amount of formaldehyde, already found in the babys blood. and again, given five vaccines at 2 months old, at a normal healthy weight of 5 kg, the baby is again subjected to an onslaught, of doubling the formaldehyde in the babys blood………………

    As a pathologist, I had no idea, the monstrous high levels, injected into babies.. ………… in levels of anything in the blood, it is dangerous to raise a level by 20% or lower it by 20%, in any person, it causes shock and trauma……….. and Katia kindly pointed out this IS JUST THE DOUBLING OF THE FORMALDEHYDE, levels, just one toxin in a vaccine……….

  • pathologist

    An I hope you dont mind, my posts , dear parents, and grandparents of this beautiful little boy, now a little angel, having lost a child to Merck, I grieve with you.

  • Proponent

    You sure you are a practicing Buddhist, Danchi?

    Your conduct and behaviour in these discussions suggests otherwise.

    For example.. you and me had an exchange somewhat recently on another discussion/forum.. so.. why are you lying about my being banned? Never.. happened.

    And as I invited your other friends.. BeWrong, Ione Murphy and scuz norkan that slung this weak sauce allegation in an attempt to discredit.. be my guest, and please take the matter up with Disqus. It will.. go.. no.. where.

    Stop lying. It’s not becoming of anyone.. let alone a self-professed.. ahem… Buddhist.

    … …

    Oh.. look.. I can post and ‘up arrow’, as well.

    “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.”
    – Buddha

  • Proponent

    Formaldehyde?

    Sure.. let’s take a look..

  • Al Mather

    Ang…you’re not a Pathologist..you are a quasi employed florist from Western Australia who used to be a Phlebotomist till she flamed out on anti depressant drugs.And an idiot.

  • pathologist

    hahaha! try again Al!

  • Ron Roy

    I just “spanked”, as a few friends called it, two local nurses on Facebook concerning vaccines. I also challenged them to a public debate on their home turf ( a lecture hall at the local hospital where they work) but they ignore my challenge. It would have been a great opportunity for them to show all the knowledge they acquired, concerning vaccines, in nursing school. Why is it that all these educated medical professionals refuse to debate someone who has only a high school education? It would certainly give them the chance to prove to everyone in attendance that I’m wrong.

  • Ron Roy

    Oh great comeback! I’m impressed. Can I quote you?

  • Ron Roy

    This is my challenge to Katia I will now make the same offer to you:

    Glad to see you’re well educated. That being said then wouldn’t object
    to a public debate, with me, on the efficacy, history and safety of
    vaccines. I will pay all your expenses if you will come to my hometown. I
    will rent a hall that will accommodate 400 plus people and we / I could
    invite the press to witness and report the outcome. There is one catch
    though. Well let the audience with a show of hand judge as to who won
    the debate and if I do you reimburse me all the expenses. Maybe you could come together? Either one of you would need the help anyway.

  • Al Mather

    I didn’t think so.

  • pathologist

    And only how many were unvaccinated, that got sick again? Apparently this disease rips through unvaccinated kids like wildfire, 80% are vaccinated, a good guestimate, that means 20% of 5,000 people, exposed should have got measles that were unvaccinated, thats your herd…………….. that is 1,000 people, WHY DID 1,000 PEOPLE NON VACCINATED NOT GET MEASLES?????????
    What was the outbreak blamed on, low vaccination rate of 86%…. well why didnt unvaccinated, all 14% of 5,000 that got exposed that day (YOUR STATS AL, NOT MINE!). NOT ACTUALLY CATCH MEASLES?.. 700 non vaccinated, should have caught measles….. how many non vaccinated caught it again? I thought it was 52 or something………….. so that means……… ???? In the Disneyland measles outbreak, only 12% of people THAT HADE NEVER BEEN VACCINATED, exposed to measles, did get measles, therefore 88% OF NON VACCINATED PEOPLE AT DISNEYLAND THAT DAY, ARE ACTUALLY FULLY IMMUNE TO MEASLES…………. wOWW ISNT THAT INTERESTING?

  • Ron Roy

    I suspected that your education was limited to watching Inspector Clouseau. Thanks for confirming it.Did you graduate?

  • Ron Roy

    Replying to people like you is too hard to resist. It’s like having a battle of wits with someone who’s unarmed. Fun you bet. lol

  • pathologist

    No, you are muddling up your statistics Andrew dear, 86% vaccination rate, is too low, and that is what caused the outbreak in Disneyland, the rate apparently needs to be 95% for herd immunity. The number who actually got infected, the numbers are quite irrelevant. The facts are 86% of people at Disneyland that day, were vaccinated, that is the statistics! If Al says,or estimates 5,000 people would have been exposed to the virus, that means 88% of non vaccinated in that 5,000 were actually were already immune to measles. If you dont understand, my calculations are below, for Al.

  • nworder

    What are the “benefits” of vaccines ??

  • Al Mather

    MY stats were IF (meaning hypothetical…as I was attempting to explain math to another idiot) 4900 were vaccinated and 100 were not. The unvaccinated who contracted was actually closer to 100+ of the 133. Only 25 documented vaccinated shown to have contracted. Which would represent about .5% whereas the unvaccinated (according to MY stats Ang) would represent 100% contraction in the unvaccinated.

  • Proponent

    This will be an interesting development..

    “Google is expanding the health information it provides to readers.”

    “In early September, Google announced that it would be rolling out health information about 900 conditions in the coming weeks. It will include quick, at-a-glance info and easily downloadable pages that users can take to their doctors’ offices. Of course, this begs the question: How accurate will the information be? And does this have doctors terrified that ever more patients will be showing up after self-diagnosing themselves with rare diseases they
    almost certainly do not have?

    Google says it has worked with a team of doctors led by Google’s Dr. Kapil Parakh, to “carefully compile, curate, and review this information. All of the gathered facts represent real-life clinical knowledge from these doctors and high-quality medical sources across the web, and the information has been checked by medical doctors at Google and the Mayo Clinic for accuracy.”

  • pathologist

    nworder, the numbers infected are irrelevant, to the fact that 86% of the crowd at Dsneyland, that day were vaccinated for measles, the CDC, said that is too low, and caused the outbreak……….. But if 14% unvaccinated of the 5,000 exposed should have caught measles (as everyone knows it spreads thru unvaccinated like wildfire????)… then the actual percentage of non vaccinated, immune to measles is around 88%………. that is the statistics? Now vaccines, for measles, say they have an efficiency rate of 80% …….. well reckon you obviously less likely to get sick, non vaccinated? Isnt that weird?

  • Proponent

    Looking forward to reading the book..

    “Ron Roy: Legend in his own mind”

  • nworder

    AND A FOURTH – THE DEVASTATION OF VACCINATION.

    FROM GANDHI’s BOOK ON VACCINATION SUPERSTITION :-

    “The nature of diseases like smallpox have been misconceived. While smallpox has a contagious component, vaccinated individuals can become infected, and non-vaccinated individuals remain immune, disproving Jenner’s original theory that vaccination equates to bona fide immunity.

    Vaccination is a unsanitary practice. By injecting the ‘filth’ of a diseased cow and smallpox patient into the body of a healthy individual one inevitably makes them sicker, possibly producing new infections, ultimately resulting in a greater disease burden.

    The route of administration of the vaccine — injection— harbors special dangers versus natural (oral) exposures to infection.

    Fear of disease drives people to vaccinate against commonsense and rationality.

    Vaccination is unethical and immoral because of the manner in which the vaccine is produced (through the great suffering of poisoned animals)

    The income generated through vaccination is the driving reason why the medical profession does not wish to identify aforementioned problems in safety and efficacy.

    Conscientious objectors should be willing to stand their ground with courage and face persecution and penalties.

    Those objecting for medical reasons should aspire towards mastery of the subject such that they will be able to win others towards their perspective.

    Sanitation, hygiene, fresh air, water, and clean food are essential for preventing infection and/or helping those infected to recover. ”

    His wisdom on this matter is very impressive !

  • CharlieB1972

    Inspector Clouseau is much smarter than the anti-vaxxers!

  • pathologist

    Actually the statistics are even better if one assumes only 50% of people at Disneyland were vaccinated (although absurd), anyway that means 50% of 5,000 exposed were unvaccinated, so 2,500 should have caught measles (as everyone knows that measles spreads thru the unvaccinated, well in an EPPIDEMIC)…… but only 50 unvaccinated caught it? ISNT THAT 1 IN 50? That means the UNVACCINATED have a natural 98% immunity……………….

  • pathologist

    Does that mean we can upload side effects, direct to a central database? Or is it only a feed down, do as your told sort of system? The general stuff I have
    read on health conditions so far on the net is garbage. People have their own self health groups, these are excellent, so they wont be using it…….

  • nworder

    Duh ! Your arithmetic and logic are incomprehensible.
    Disney measles was a psyop anyway so that they could force vaccination in California – they will be coming for you Al with 200 senior “catch up ” vaccines and then you wont even be able to keyboard in your old age “rest home”.

  • nworder

    Is google going to say the strange diseases were caused by vaccination -LOL .

  • nworder

    Yes that is my view if it happened but it was a con from the start.
    Nowhere in america could you find unvaccinated for measles being at above 10% , probably even 5% would be more accurate – so if kids did come down with measles they would be vaccinated ones.

  • pathologist

    But Andrew Says only 50% were vaccinated, the official reports say 86% vaccinated, and you are saying 98% were vaccinate, wow that is incredible, never heard of such a high vaccination rate! But the CDC et al are blaming the outbreak on low herd vaccination rates, and that outbreaks are effectively controlled at only 95%…………. What went wrong if (*% were vaccinated, how could ther possible be an outbreak of measles? Who is right?

  • Official863jls @ YouTube

    You serious?

  • pathologist

    Exactly, and no one did the maths…………. even though there were vaccinated cases, unknown and not counted, because vaccinated dont always get spots, the own FDC results, the own results of CDC, show all three scenarios? whichever you choose to believe, show that the unvaccinated are either, more naturally immune that the vaccinated, or using Als scenario, a 98% vaccination rate was not good enough to stop an outbreak………… Does California, seriously expect to get 98% people vaccinated? that is all you can get, the other 2% too sick to be vaccinated, or too young…………. and if a damn 98% vaccination rate, doesnt stop outbreaks? All three theories just show how stupid vaccination for measles is………

  • pathologist

    Im waitingAl, have you got your calculator, burning there?

  • nworder

    THE SAME THING HAPPENED LONG AGO IN GERMANY 100% VACCINATION AND THEY GOT THE BIGGEST SMALLPOX OUTBREAK IN EUROPE :-

    Dr Hadwen’s lectures :-

    They say, “Look at Prussia, and the way vaccination has stamped out small-pox there.”
    Very well, we will look at Prussia, which, I may say, has kept better vaccination records than any other country in Europe, except, perhaps, Sweden.

    In 1834, which is twenty years before England adopted the Compulsory Vaccination Act, so severe was the Act in Prussia that, in addition to primary vaccination, every child had to be vaccinated over again when he started upon his school life; he had to be re-vaccinated on going from college to college; and re-vaccinated over again when he entered the Army, which meant every healthy male out of the whole of Prussia.

    And so severe was the Act that if any man refused to be vaccinated he was ordered to be held down and vaccinated by force; and so thoroughly was it done that he was vaccinated in ten places on each arm. That was stiff enough for anybody, I should think. (Laughter,) In 1871-2-—thirty-five years after this Compulsory Vaccination Act—came the terrible epidemic which swept all over Europe.

    It came to Prussia, and what was the result? In that year small-pox carried off no less than 124,978 of her vaccinated and re-vaccinated citizens after thirty-five years of compulsory vaccination of the description which I have referred to!

    This roused Prussia, and she began to look about her; she saw the cause, and she was determined to remedy it. She brought good water into her cities, purified her river Spree, introduced a complete drainage system throughout the country—(loud cheers)—she got rid of her “rookeries,” and ordered model barracks to be built for the soldiers; and away fled the small-pox, like the Philistines before the Children of Israel.

    Sanitation did for Prussia what 35 years of compulsory vaccination was unable to accomplish. At the present time in Prussia small-pox is almost extinct. (Cheers.) It is not that people ‘are being vaccinated more; they are vaccinated less. (Hear, hear.)

    They hate it in Germany as we English people do; and you can now get out of vaccination there by the payment of a shilling fine. Even the very children in Germany know well enough how it is hated, and in proof of this I may relate to you an amusing incident, A school inspector went to one of the schools the other day and asked the question of the class, “Why was Moses hidden by his mother in the bullrushes?” Very soon a little fellow put up his hand and replied, “Please sir, she did not want him to be vaccinated.” (Loud laughter.”

  • pathologist

    yeah, but that would mean a vaccination rate of 98% failed miserably stopping an outbreak, Do you believe herd immunity works, using yur statistics? You will never get 100% vaccinated, because of the ill, or very young………..

  • pathologist

    Exactly, anyway you look at it, just look at their own statistics,,,,,,,,,, all fail……………… yes of course vaccinated ones come down with measles, but if unvaccinated (as the theory goes), spread measles like the proverbial plague………………. not many unvaccinated, who were exposed in that 5,000 whatever, got measles……………It actually proves a higher natural immunity amongst the unvaccinated… and if they claim 95% or as al claims there was 98% vaccinated, the whole theory of herd immunity being successfull, goes down the toilet?

  • Ron Roy

    Never thought of writing a book thanks for the idea. I’ll write about all the debates that I had, with heath professionals, concerning vaccines. I’ll save you an autographed copy. It will be a very tiny book however only two covers and nothing in between but blank pages. Unless of course someone out there decides to take up my challenge of a public debate. The book will resemble what pro vaccinators have in their skulls. Nothing but blank pages. Ah well thanks anyway.

  • pathologist

    Absolutely………….. and does Germany/Prussia/Russia have gardasil deaths and illness, pertussis outbreaks, measles outbreaks, babies dying of pertussis? Or MS, Non HIV AIDS, (CFS), fibromyalgia, depression, ADHD, AIDS at the levels of the USA? cot deaths at the rate? Autism? I doubt it, but Al no doubt will provide some of his stunning statistics, I await with anticipation.

  • Ron Roy

    Well the pharmaceutical companies get to create more customers, for their shills in the medical profession, from all the damage caused by them. To the recipients of vaccines zero benefits. To the makers and those who administer/ promote them millions of dollars.

  • pathologist

    And apparently 10% of people in the world got vaccinated for smallpox, so if a 10% herd immunity is all that is required apparently, as we all know that vaccination ended smallpox, we hear it constantly… why not allow free choice? We only need 1 in ten vaccinated…………

  • nworder

    A MILLION MILES FROM INJECTING IT – THE DIGESTION CAN STOP MUCH POISON FROM GETTING YOU

    Because the digestive contents are OUTSIDE the body until it decides to absorb them or NOT.
    Ingested aluminium uptake is .3% but injected aluminium is 100%
    900 times more deadly.

    So you just make it up – drink a little industrial formaldehyde and let us know .

  • nworder

    They stopped smallpox vax because the damage was quick and apparent and not easy to hide – the damage if severe and delayed can be hidden by the medmafia.

  • pathologist

    So glad you agree Andrew………..
    so you do agree, re Disneyland measles 3 versions….
    1. that a 50% vaccination rate, YOUR OWN statistics, in Disneyland in a herd of 5,000 who were exposed to the disease, actually means 98% had natural immunity, (non vaccinated) for measles, as only 50 non vaccinated out of 2500 unvaccinated actually caught measles. Or;
    2. the other theory put by Al, that in reality 98% were fully vaccinated, and as you agree, that certainly puts the herd immunity with vaccines, as theory down the toilet, as there should have not been an outbreak………….or;
    3. do you go for the governments version, that 86% were vaccinated, not high enough to provide herd immunity….. ie out of the 14% of the 5,000 non vaccinated, ie 88% fully vaccinated were actually naturally immune?
    Which one do you think happened Andrew?
    Merck quotes an 85% immunity after a vaccine……….

  • Katia

    I didn’t say anything about thimerosal! You are really off the rails. Go back to the dead.

  • pathologist

    did it cause tb, and pleurisy?

  • Katia

    Oh, don’t be cute! You know who they are. They’re the ones, especially Humphries, that Lowell keeps paraphrasing with this “Nurses and doctors don’t know anything about immunizations, nanny, nanny boo-boo”.