Does the MMR Vaccine Cause Autism?

Does the MMR vaccine cause autism? This is the essential question that each parent should ponder prior to injecting their child with the MMR vaccination.

The answer is largely divided between conventional medicine and the holistic community. Evidence supporting the claim that the MMR vaccine causes autism includes parental reports, court case verdicts, multiple research studies and animal research. Deniers of the connection refer to vaccine studies which are considered flawed or biased by those in the holistic health community. [1, 2]

In the end, each person must decide for themselves what to believe.

Parental Reports

The most emotionally moving claim of the connection between the MMR vaccine and autism is the observation by parents of sharp behavioral decline in their infants after receiving the MMR vaccination. Parents describe their perfectly healthy babies suddenly experiencing rapid and dramatic behavioral decline following the MMR vaccination.

For many of these children, their recovery never occurs and they continue to suffer from symptoms diagnosed as autism. A brief summary of what happened to Valentino, a child of Italian parents who won awards by the Italian court for damages to their son, follows:

“We started having to put food into his mouth. It was as though he was a baby again.

‘It was as if we’d gone to the vaccination clinic with one child and had been given another to take home. Valentino was not interested in what was happening around him any more. He could not concentrate on a single thing.’

But worse was to follow. The little boy stopped sleeping at night. He would wake up and scream in pain. During the day he ran around in circles without stopping. His parents were getting exhausted and were at their wits’ end.

Maurizio explains: ‘About two weeks after the jab he began screaming every night. He woke up three or four times each night and cried. It was like something out of The Exorcist. He was obviously in pain and we could do nothing to comfort him.’

They went back to the vaccination clinic for advice. 
‘We were not being over fussy but the medical staff did not seem to grasp the gravity of the situation,’ added Antonella.

The clinic just gave them some cream to put on Valentino’s skin. After six months of no improvement in his condition, they took Valentino to the casualty department of the local hospital.

For the first time Antonella mentioned that the MMR vaccine might be to blame. ‘They said it was not possible,’ she says.

Bewildered, the couple still looked for answers. Valentino was still screaming at night and like a wild child during the day.

When he was nearly two-and-a-half (14 months after the jab), they went to see an expert in neuropsychiatry and told her that their son had changed after the jab.

Antonella says: ‘She did not even write down what I was saying. She downplayed the situation, although she said he was not developing normally for a child of his age. But she could not offer any explanation and said it might be temporary in such a young boy.’

Desperately, they started to do some research on the internet. It suddenly occurred to them, after reading of other parents’ experiences, that Valentino might have autism.

When this was confirmed by the Milan children’s clinic, he was put on a milk-free and gluten-free diet.

‘Within a week, Valentino was sleeping at night and not shouting out in pain,’ says Maurizio.

‘He started to look us in the eye for the first time since the jab. He began to feed himself again. Progress was slow, but at last there was some hope.’

But, sadly, it was too late to find a complete cure for Valentino. At nine years old, he will never lead a normal life, and may need care for the rest of his days. ” [3]

Most famously, as of recent, actor Robert DeNiro publicly shared his wife’s observation of their child’s regression after vaccination in an interview on the Today show. DeNiro’s 18 year-old son suffers from autism. [4]

Who more than parents should be respected for their observations of such significant behavioral changes in their children after receiving a vaccination? Dr. Andrew Wakefield first publicly reported on this connection in a research paper published in 1998. [5]

Court Cases

Multiple court cases have ruled in favor of connecting the MMR vaccine to autism, both in the US and abroad. On June 16, 2012, reporter Sue Reid of the UK Daily Mail shared the outcome of the Valentino Bocco court case in which Judge Lucio Ardigo determined that Valentino’s autism was caused by the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccination he received at age nine months.

In Unanswered Questions From the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, 83 cases of vaccine-induced brain damage that included autism were identified from a small sample of cases the government compensated for vaccine injury. A significant number are MMR cases.

Monkey Studies

A 2010 study comparing vaccinated with unvaccinated monkeys showed biological changes and altered behavior in the vaccinated monkeys which resembled those observed in autistic children. The unvaccinated monkeys showed no abnormal symptoms.


In 2004, the most damning research connected the MMR vaccine to autism. The cover-up was revealed by lead CDC scientist Dr. William Thompson, whose testimony was shared before Congress. Those involved in the research destroyed data linking the MMR vaccine to autism in African-American infants. [7]

Most famously, Dr. Andrew Wakefield published a case study report of 12 children and shared the connection between the MMR vaccine and the development of autism in his 1998 report in The Lancet.

To examine 22 studies which link vaccinations with autism, explore this link.


Parental reports, research and court cases have combined to show there is a connection between the MMR vaccination and autism. Meanwhile, conventional physicians and government groups maintain vaccination safety. Who will you choose to believe?



  1. http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/04/did-the-cdc-censor-vaxxed…
  2. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html
  3. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160054/MMR-A-mothers-victory…
  4. http://www.today.com/video/robert-de-niro-on-anti-vaccine-film-controversy…
  5. https://vactruth.com/2016/04/23/doctor-andrew-wakefield/
  6. https://vactruth.com/2012/04/29/monkeys-get-autism/
  7. http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/07/breaking-news-congressman-posey…


About the Author:

Michelle Goldstein is a mental health therapist who is passionate about holistic health, natural healing, nutrient-dense foods and the politics that impact them. She has published articles for Natural News, VacTruth, and other health websites. All of her published articles to date can be found at her health website, Holistic Health to Go. She can also be followed on her Facebook Page, Holistic Health to Go.


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Michelle Goldstein is a mental health therapist who is passionate about holistic health, natural healing, nutrient-dense foods and the politics that impact them. She has published articles for Natural News, VacTruth, and other health websites. All of her published articles to date can be found at her health website, Holistic Health to Go. She can also be followed on her Facebook Page.

  • Lee Reikert

    Amazing how doctors treat all mothers as complete idiots. To them even highly educated mothers have NO ability to observe differences in their children. After all, (most/many?) mothers have no “formal” medical training so they can’t possibly notice any physical/mental changes. (In my opinion education makes no difference in a mother’s ability to observe changes. We’re all “tuned in” quite tightly to what’s going on with our kids.) Conclusion: If you’re not a “conventional AMA” doctor then you’re automatically stupid. Vaccines equal health and all you mothers should just shut up and do what’s right because these doctors know best. Anything you observe after a vaccine is just coincidence or is all in your (stupid, emotional) head. If your child dies, then there was an underlying condition that wasn’t diagnosed.

    Sarcasm in the above comment is intentional.

  • lmaddleman

    I’m actually of the belief that it’s the doctors and nurses who are clueless and stupid. If you get into a profession which is supposed to help people and protect health, you certainly shouldn’t discount what is going on right before your face, unless you have something to profit or you’re being bullied or threatened. I think the later is the case in most.

  • Web Watcher

    the incidences of side effects and injuries of vaccines increased dramatically with each introduction of fetal cell vaccines. i.e. varicella (chicken pox) and taking away the non-fetal cell rubella vaccine option.

    one graph:

    also look up cogforlife.org

  • There I was, reading the article and saying to myself, “Now, this is one I can share,” and then, WHAM, I get to the monkey “studies.” Vaccines are a product of vivisection, from the ingredients to the “testing.” For reasons explained in the book (and many others) which I will list here, because it can be read free online, vivisection is not a scientific investigation. On top of that, it is the deliberate poisoning (and other horrific tortures) of other sentient beings, allegedly to benefit ourselves. Pretty much the same thing the powers-that-be are doing to the rest of us. Does it make you proud to be just as immoral as they are? VIVISECTION OR SCIENCE: A CHOICE TO MAKE – Eftel

  • hvaiallverden

    The problem with it is that the damage is done, probably because of the high level of toxic metals and so on, goes into our neurosystem and brain, since the brain is basicly fat.

    The ONLY remedie I can think of, and witch isnt dangerous or have serious side effects, is cannabis oil, try it and watch the effect, if it is posetive, you will know it instantly, and vice versa.
    this is also an cognetive systemic blockage of some sort, the path our consciousness uses dayli is affected and this I belive can be reduced or altered, with natural remedies, because some of this remedies, lights up greater parst of our brain that whats uses in an “normal” condition of this exist at all.
    But it need something to unlock the gate, and cannabis is one of them, use the one with the whole package, since the “stone” effect is what Im seeking, the health is one thing, but the effect is probably more mental/cognitive.

    Of course they treat anyone whom is not an idiot, as an enemy, and asking questions based upon expiriencing first hand observations, is also an Nono, because they are never wrong, like debating AGW, its You whom is delutional, not them.
    This scam is glearingly obvious by now, and confrims the narrative we have acknowleged infact is true, vaccines are an medical scam of biblical proportions and scale, so crappyn and faked thruout, their science is even wurse, and when its obvious, they refuse to talk.
    Like the latest MMR vaccine scandale.

    They should hang, capital crimes deserve capital punishment, they are killing people because of simple raw greed.


  • guest
  • And how do they continue to ignore all of these studies?

    Callous Disregard-Research

  • James Peters

    No it doesn’t as ASD is genetic

  • Jenniffer

    Proof please.

  • Jenniffer

    Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Doctors are just like monkeys. Easy to train.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Very true.

  • guest

    Is that you Bill?

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  • KeyLimePi

    I know, thank you. Instead of giving unwarranted credence to sadists who make their living torturing animals, i.e. vivisection, anti-vax people should only hammer home the points about ALL these “coincidences” where kids go in to the doctor’s office healthy and normal, get shot up with disease cocktails, and soon thereafter are unrecognizable and “out there” somewhere, suddenly stricken with “genetic” (hah) autism, and also about the truly terrifying diseases like smallpox having dramatically decreased just before vaccine intervention, then just as dramatically increased in number and fatalities AFTER vaccines, and especially mandatory vaccines, were in effect…the statistical, undeniable, HUMAN data.

  • James Peters
  • James Peters

    No. But I have been enjoying some pictures of cougars online

  • James Peters

    ”Human cell lines are used in the production of some vaccines. These cell lines (human diploid cell lines WI-38 and MRC-5) were derived from embryonic tissue from three elective, medically indicated abortions conducted in the 1960s. The abortions were not conducted for the purposes of vaccine discovery or production; they were legally conducted for medical reasons. These cell lines are self-sustaining and additional abortions are not needed to continue producing vaccines. The cell line is replicating but the original cells have not been used ever since.” http://www.immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/it-true-aborted-fetus-remains-are-used-make

  • Web Watcher

    the fact remains they are derived from murdering a baby, “elective” or not. and the facts remain that the incidences of autism and other nasty and permanent side effects increased drastically with each new introduction of a fetal cell vaccine. it is not necessary to use fetal cells, and proven so. now read about mad cow disease and learn the affects of introducing like cells into a creature or being.

  • Granna

    what is the connection between the gluten-free and milk-free diet and autism? why was he put on those diets after confirming that he has autism…? did he get milk allergy, gluten intolerance AND autism from the vaccine? this puzzles me, please help me understand!

    “Valentino might have autism. When this was confirmed by the Milan children’s clinic, he was put on a milk-free and gluten-free diet.”

  • guest


    CDC Chief Admits that Vaccines Trigger Autism

    -My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998. I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data
    were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.
    Remainder of admission at: http://www.morganverkamp(dot)com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/.

    -CDC Whistleblower Dr. Thompson on Thimerosal and Pregnant Women: https://www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=3EK4ZE-SPIc
    -CDC Whistleblower Revealed: https://www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=sGOtDVilkUc
    -Whistleblower Thompson’s Call to Congress: https://www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=8697rSvIqhg
    -CDC Whistleblower Dr. Thompson on Thimerosal and Pregnant Women: https://www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=3EK4ZE-SPIc

    -Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information June 7-8, 2000
    Simpsonwood Retreat Center Norcross, Georgia. http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/2.9.pdf.

    From the transcripts:
    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40-41: “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures
    at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders.”

    Dr. Weil, pg. 207 – the man representing the American Academy of Pediatrics [the very organization that helped to set guidelines for vaccine policy the organization said to be “dedicated to the health of all children”]: “The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant. The positive relationships are those that one might expect from the Faroe Islands studies. They are also related to those data we do have on experimental animal data and similar to the neurodevelopmental tox data on other
    substances, so that I think you can’t accept that this is out of the ordinary. It isn’t out of the ordinary.” [It certainly appeared to me that Dr. Weil – like me – also was seeing a group of people trying to play with the data to manipulate or change the outcome of the data.]

    Dr.Weil, pg. 208: “The rise in the frequency of neurobehavioral disorders whether it is ascertainment or real, is not too bad. It is much too graphic. We don’t see that kind of genetic change in 30 years.” [More than any, this was the statement that told me that “genetics” were fairly stable over time – a very critical point as explained in “book 3”].

    -124 Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link


    -Gastrointestinal abnormalities in children with autistic disorder
    The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63
    -Colonic CD8 and γδ T-cell infiltration with epithelial damage in children with autism
    The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372
    -Intestinal Lymphocyte Populations in Children with Regressive Autism: Evidence for Extensive Mucosal Immunopatholog
    Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517
    The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10

  • Billy Briggs

    They make vaccines with dead baby parts and lots of other bad stuff to.

  • Lee Reikert

    Granna, There’s a connection between autism and gut health. I’ve seen it myself with autistic kids that were in extreme pain due to spastic colons. Once they’re put on a gluten free and milk-free diet then they’re much more able to cope. Gluten (rather the “new” glutenous wheat we all eat) is very inflammatory and can cause a host of ailments. Brain fog is a huge side effect as well as spastic colon. Our milk supply contains a genetic mutation in the protein that is causing massive problems for many people. It isn’t lactose, it’s the protein. New Zealand cleaned up the problem cows and no more health issues. Of course the U.S. doesn’t want to make waves with their popular “Milk Does a Body Good” campaign. Actually, our milk supply is filthy and full of puss and disease. If it wasn’t “pasteurized” anyone drinking regular milk would be pretty, darned sick. So you get our awful wheat and awful milk out of these kids’ diets and they start to respond as now their bodies don’t have near the inflammation from our disgusting food. Any of the information above is easy to find and verify.

  • Paul Thomas

    As a busy integrative pediatrician who cares for families dealing with autism – the connection between MMR and autism is very real for many. Just this week a mom was sharing the story of her son being normal, saying words, and interactive until the MMR given at 12 months – within a day he was having a seizure, high fever and was almost immediately severely autistic, isolated and no eye contact, spinning etc. When those in the medical community say it’s a coincidence – they are clearly lacking in knowledge and empathy. Parents know their child. #vaxxed

  • LOL. Prove it????? Keep drinking that Koolaid and the false propaganda you were fed.

  • None of those studies have made any real and nor any solid conclusion that autism is genetic, much more that all cases of autism are genetic, and nor that the majority of cases are caused by faulty genetics. How do you have suddenly an epidemic of genetics caused autism? Interestingly the rates of increased autism diagnosis correlate perfectly with the increase in doses of vaccines and the numbers of now no liability for big pharma added vaccines to the CDC vaccine schedule. Whats next, “oh its better diagnosis”? Who do you actually think you are fooling and convincing?

  • Jenniffer

    Holy smokes! You really need to get yourself and all your research to Atlanta. You have got to give all your info to Tom Insell, the guy running the federal committee to find the autism gene! He will be SO excited that you have got all the answers he and his gang have been searching for (with boatloads of your money) for years now! Mind you, I don’t think he will give you any of your money back but maybe he can buy you dinner. I hear they think there may be an environmental aspect to it now – you better hurry up before THAT gets out.

    Jaysus, just think for one second, people. We have a skyrocketing rate of autism all of a sudden and you STILL think it’s genetic? How the hell do you even get yourself dressed in the morning?

  • Jenniffer

    Read “Callous Disregard” by Dr AJ Wakefield. Gut function is critical to brain function. Gluten and dairy compromise gut function. So does measles virus in the gut.

  • Michelle Goldstein

    Paul, Thank you for sharing your personal observation and experience as an integrative pediatrician. As a therapist, I have had clients share similar stories with me.

  • Scott Lindsey

    Penn & Teller have tackled this issue.


  • guest

    What are their scientific credentials?
    After you provide the above, please provide Independent research that confirms your assertion.
    Finally, please go troll elsewhere because you are beginning to sound like the troll that recently got booted, Bill and Capt. But before you do:

    George Carlin “The American Dream” Best 3 Minutes of His Career

    You have no choice. You have OWNERS. They OWN YOU. They own EVERYTHING. They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations; they’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the State houses, the City Halls; they’ve got the judges in their back pockets, and they own all the big media companies so they control just
    about all the news and information you get to hear. They gotcha by the BALLS. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying — lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want — they want MORE for themselves and less for everybody else. But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They DON’T want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that, that doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they’re getting FU–ED by system that threw them overboard 30 fu–in’ years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want?

    The above. That’s YOU. Also, Penn & Teller.

  • Scott Lindsey

    Penn and Teller are not scientists — they are magicians with a sideline in conspiracy theories and such.

    I didn’t make any assertions, but I’ll stand up for the ones in the video. I think it is entirely fair to point out that whatever number of kids you think will get autism from vaccines, a higher number would suffer worse consequences without them were childhood diseases allowed to return.

    The Carlin video is nice, but I think we take different lessons from it.

  • So the admission by Dr. Thompson of the CDC (and the documents presented to Congress showing the autism/vaccination link they tried to cover up) the court payouts for autism and other “brain damage,” the experiences of parents who take healthy, interactive babies in for shots, and almost immediately the children start screaming and then are never the same again – is all washed away because Teller and the obnoxious know-it-all Penn have made up a routine that convinces you? I spent long years researching in the medical libraries and reading the public health statistics gathered by previous activists interested in finding out the truth. Vaccines not only cause autism (and I’ve seen it in at least one vaccine package insert as an “adverse reaction”), but just about everything else you could imagine that injections of mulitiple poisons cause, from allergies to death, and everything in between.

  • Scott Lindsey

    What sucks is that we don’t know what causes autism.

    You can posit a connection to vaccination, but what’s the mechanism? Lots of research followed Wakefield’s live-measles-in-the-gut hypothesis, but no one could find a connection, and these days anti-vaxxers don’t even seem to believe in causality.

    And to reiterate the point of the video, childhood mortality before vaccines was far worse than current rates of autism. I mean, what’s the plan? Bring back diphtheria?

  • guest

    Bring back diphtheria?

    No, the usual mantra is bring back Polio. Or Smallpox.

    While intended to prevent the disease-causing effects of the diphtheria toxin, the diphtheria toxoid vaccine (also contained in the DTaP vaccine) is not designed to prevent colonization and transmission of C. diphtheriae. Vaccinating for diphtheria cannot alter the safety of public spaces.

    “Today your child has about as much chance of contracting diphtheria as he does of being bitten by a cobra.”–Dr Robert Mendelsohn MD

    If you think that the DPT has reduced or eliminated diphtheria, please provide the independent study.

  • So, the obvious just flies right over your head. Just in the case you may not be a shill, I will give you some more information, but that might just not connect with your brain, either. Despite all the money spent by the special interest industries, from their trillion-dollar-a-year profits to create a public smoke and mirrors, vaccination is NOT the reason diphtheria, or any other infectious disease, is no longer prevalent in the U.S. In fact, diphtheria in the U.S. was most commonplace among the poverty-stricken. My mother remembered scarlet fever as being “the big one” in her youth, yet we had no mass vaccination for that, so where is it? It went the same way as all those diseases which had been caused by not having sewage contained in closed sewers, no refrigeration or freezers for food, contamination of water, etc. Wherever vaccinations were mandated during existing epidemics, they always badly worsened and extended those epidemics, but that gets left out of the approved (by special interests) literature. As I told one of your friends somewhere in here, TRUTH is like a hidden buried treasure in this world of deliberate disinformation. One has to dig for it. Here is a reading list of information dug up by those who have searched for the truth, or discovered it along the way. There are many, many more, but just start with these:

    “The Golden Calf” (1933) Charles W. Forward
    “The Poisoned Needle” (1957) E. McBean, PhD, ND

    And more recently, this one by Suzanne Humphries, M.D.

    Dissolving Illusions Book Review by Jeffrey Dach MD

  • guest

    Penn and Teller are not scientists — they are magicians with a sideline in conspiracy theories and such.”

    What exactly does that mean—-sideline in conspiracy theories and such? Please explain in detail. Are there courses to take? What school offers this? Is this a recognized field of study or research? What are the qualifications? Where is a test given? Who provides any sort of credentials that endow any individual with such a super power as to assess what is genuine and what isn’t? Do states recognize this as a legitimate profession? Since neither one are scientist what qualifies them to make a scientific deceleration that vaccines do not cause autism even though:

    -Dr. William Thompson states that it does and the CDC manipulated the data:
    My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998. I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.
    Remainder of admission at: http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/.
    -Julie Gerberding, former head of the CDC and now president of Merck Vaccine division says so: CDC Chief Admits that Vaccines Trigger Autism
    -Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information June 7-8, 2000 Si
    mpsonwood Retreat Center Norcross, Georgia. http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/2.9.pdf

    From Transcript:
    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40-41: “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays, which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders.”

    Dr. Weil of the AAP, pg. 207: “The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant. The positive relationships are those that one might expect from the Faroe Islands studies. They are also related to those data we do have on experimental animal data and similar to the neurodevelopmental tox data on other substances, so that I think you can’t accept that this is out of the ordinary. It isn’t out of the ordinary.”

    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 166: “When I saw this, and I went back through
    the literature, I was actually stunned by what I saw because I thought it is
    plausible. First of all there is the Faeroe study, which I think people have
    dismissed too easily, and there is a new article in the same Journal that was
    presented here, the Journal of Pediatrics, where they have looked at PCB. They have looked at other contaminants in seafood and they have adjusted for that, and still mercury comes out. That is one point. Another point is that in many of the studies with animals, it turned out that there is quite a different
    result depending on the dose of mercury. Depending on the route of exposure and depending on the age at which the animals, it turned out that there is quite a different result depending on the dose of mercury. Depending on the route of exposure and depending on the age at which the animals were exposed. Now, I don’t know how much you can extrapolate that from animals to humans, but that tells me mercury at one month of age is not the
    same as mercury at three months, at 12 months, prenatal mercury, later mercury. There is a whole range of plausible outcomes from mercury.
    On top of that, I think that we cannot so easily compare the U.S. population to
    Faeroe or Seychelles populations. We have different mean levels of exposure.
    We are comparing high to high I the Seychelles, high to high in the Faeroe and low to low in the U.S., so I am not sure how easily you can transpose one
    finding to another one. So basically to me that leaves all the options open,
    and that means I can not exclude such a possible effect.”

    Dr. Weil, pg. 208: “The rise in the frequency of neurobehavioral disorders whether it is ascertainment or real, is not too bad. It is much too graphic. We don’t see that kind of genetic change in 30 years.”

    This email is one of my favorites:
    Verstraeten CDC Internal Email: “It Just Won’t Go Away” December 17, 1999
    Written by Dr. Thomas Verstraeten, CDC, and sent to Dr. Robert Davis and Dr. Frank Destefano, title, CDC.

    Dr. Verstraeten was responsible for the preliminary analysis of the CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink to determine if a relationship existed between Thimerosal and autism. The “It” in Dr. Verstraeten’s subject line of “It just won’t go away” is the correlation between Thimerosal and autism. Dr. Verstraten also notes that “all the harm is done in the first month.”

    Dr. Verstraeten’s email is a working email describing the analysis he is doing with references to spreadsheets that contain specific data. Not until a recent FOIA was that data available which you can now see here.
    This new information, through the data known as “Generation Zero”,
    highlights just how extreme the correlations were between Thimerosal and
    neurodevelopmental disorders.

    As one example, on the first page of the spreadsheet, if you look under the “2990” category for autism, it shows a 7.62 incidence for children who receive the largest mercury dose in month 1, called “HgCat1 (3)”, a highly statistically-significant correlation.

  • guest

    “a higher number would suffer worse consequences without them were childhood diseases allowed to return.”

    If you think this is the case please provide the following:
    -Independent double-blind, placebo-controlled studies that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
    – Independent scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
    -Independent scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?
    -Independent scientific justification as to how injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to human health and prevents disease?
    -a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the intended goal of preventing disease?
    -Independent scientific justification on how bypassing the respiratory tract (or mucous membrane) is advantageous and how directly injecting viruses into the bloodstream enhances immune functioning and prevents future infections?
    -Independent scientific justification on how a vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?
    -Independent scientific justification as to how a vaccination can target a virus in an infected individual who does not have the exact viral configuration or strain the vaccine was developed for?

    Independent means NO medical industrial complex involvement. To determine this you must research the researchers to ascertain what their academic credentials are & where, past & current employment ties to either pharma or any university/hospital/research group. Of course top of the list is who is the funding source for the studies.

  • guest
  • Scott Lindsey

    You seem very focused on documentation.

    At what rate do you think children are harmed by vaccines? One in a two hundred? One in a hundred? Choose a number.

    If we ended vaccination, what number of kids would be hurt by diseases? Again, choose a number.

    One of these numbers is bigger than the other, and we have to choose one or the other.

  • Scott Lindsey

    Just to be clear, you should not believe something just because some magicians say so.

    You’re supposed to think about the argument and decide if they are correct. Do you think that they are right?

  • Scott Lindsey

    I’ll let you pick. What number of children would be hurt by disease if we stopped vaccinating?

  • guest

    Not going to work. Answer the questions I asked.

  • guest

    As I stated in the previous comment. This is a diversion and a distraction to try and put me on the defensive so you won’t have to answer the question. If you can engage me in a defensive position you would have accomplished your goal which is to not answer the questions because YOU HAVE NO ANSWERS.

    Answer the question Scott.

  • guest

    I think you should answer the questions I asked and stop doing a Bill Clinton.

  • Scott Lindsey

    “Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.”

    The insert actually just relays the fact that people sometimes report a connection to autism, not that there is one. This is way back in 2005, so the vaccine maker would have had to include this report to cover themselves.

  • Scott Lindsey

    It is certainly true that populations today are healthier for a variety of reasons, and that some of these diseases wouldn’t cause much harm for most people.

    Google “india travel vaccinations” or “africa travel vaccinations”, and you’ll see a long list of diseases that you mostly don’t need to worry about in the first world, and for which we are not vaccinated.

    But other diseases spread just fine in the wealthy parts of the world. Measles for instance:


    Lots of vaccine skippers, and there you go, outbreak. Which you might say is fine, but actually someone has already been killed by anti-vaxxers:


  • guest

    Proof please of the information in your comment.

    In the meantime, I’m again asking for you to answer the following questions. in case you have forgotten your comment:

    “a higher number would suffer worse consequences without them were childhood diseases allowed to return.”

    If you think this is the case please provide the following:
    -Independent double-blind, placebo-controlled studies that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
    – Independent scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
    -Independent scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of
    -Independent scientific justification as to how injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to human health and prevents disease?
    -a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the intended goal of preventing disease?
    -Independent scientific justification on how bypassing the respiratory tract (or
    mucous membrane) is advantageous and how directly injecting viruses into
    the bloodstream enhances immune functioning and prevents future
    -Independent scientific justification on how a vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?
    -Independent scientific justification as to how a vaccination can target a virus in an infected individual who does not have the exact viral configuration
    or strain the vaccine was developed for?

    Independent means NO medical industrial complex involvement. To determine this you must research the researchers to ascertain what their academic
    credentials are & where, past & current employment ties to either pharma or
    any university/hospital/research group. Of course top of the list is who is the funding source for the studies.

  • guest

    PLoS study: “Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination,” has brought to light the glaring ineffectiveness of two measles vaccines (measles–rubella (MR) or measles–mumps–rubella (MMR) ) in fulfilling their widely claimed promise of preventing outbreaks in highly vaccine compliant populations.

    China has one of the most vaccination compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? “The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high.”
    Zhifang Wang, Rui Yan, Hanqing He, Qian Li, Guohua Chen, Shengxu Yang, and Enfu Chen,* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/

    -“The largest measles epidemic in North America in the last decade, occurred in 2011 in Quebec, Canada, where rates of 1- and 2-dose vaccine coverage among children 3 years of age were 95%-97% and 90%, respectively, with 3%-5% unvaccinated.” “Among adolescents, 22% had received 2 vaccine doses. Outbreak investigation showed this proportion to have been an underestimate; active case finding identified 130% more cases among 2-dose recipients.”
    Largest measles epidemic in North America in a decade–Quebec, Canada, 2011: contribution of susceptibility, serendipity, and superspreading events.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pubmed/23264672

    -NY Measles outbreak: Of 88 contacts, four secondary cases were confirmed that had either two doses of measles-containing vaccine or a past positive measles IgG antibody. All cases had laboratory confirmation of measles infection, clinical symptoms consistent with measles, and high avidity IgG antibody characteristic of a secondary immune response.” Patient Zero is a 22 year old VACCINATED young lady who contracted measles in 2011. Statically that means at least 90% were vaccinated. Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011 *http://cid(dot)oxfordjournals (dot) org/content/58/9/1205

    -The measles vaccine has failed, he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Poland sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues. Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/
    http://business.financialpost (dot) com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/ & -Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.

    -Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons.
    Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
    Conclusion: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Dr. Gregory Poland is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. Poland is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.

    -Measles Epidemic in Cape Town With 91% Vaccination Coverage
    In this Cape Town outbreak study, the authors state, “The epidemiology of measles in Cape Town has thus changed as evinced in this epidemic, with an increase in the number of cases occurring in older, previously vaccinated children. The possible reasons for this include both primary and secondary vaccine failure”.

    Coetzee N, Hussey GD, Visser G, Barron P, Keen A.Department of Community health, University of Cape Town. The 1992 measles epidemic in Cape Town–a changing epidemiological pattern. S Afr Med J. 1994 Mar;84(3):145-9.

    -Measles Outbreak in 99.7% Vaccinated Population
    Robert T. Chen (1), Gary M. Goldbaum (2), Steven G. F. Wassilak (1), Lauri E. Markowitz (1) And Walter A. Orenstein (1). An Explosive Point-Source measles outbreak In A Highly Vaccinated Population Modes Of Transmission And Risk Factors For Disease. Am J Epidemiol 1989;129:173-82.

  • guest

    Measles kills first patient in 12 years: http://www.usatoday.com/story/

    Catherine Montantes did not die from Measles. That’s the first bit of misinformation. She died from PNEUMONIA . As stated Measles was not discovered until she was autopsied. What the article doesn’t state, if you read the CDC’s Measles Pink Book is by Montantes not showing any symptoms of Measles-she was asymptomatic which means she was also herself contagious to others. The article briefly states she was vaccinated as a child BUT the health dept didn’t have confirmation. Really??? All they had to do was a titers test. What the article doesn’t state is at the time of her death her mother gave an interview to a local paper (that has now disappeared) stating she was fully vaccinated as a child. That means 2 MMR.

    Reported in the Seattle Times last year when this happened, Montantes was being treated for a inflammatory muscle disease. She was on medication that left her immunocompromised and it was stated that she became infected with measles while seeking medical attention in a clinic. This was reported by someone named Rob Ollikainen (information posted in an article from last year below). What the article and the local health dept. hasn’t revealed is what viral genotype did she have? There are over 21 Measles Genotypes-what did she have? Was that even tested? Nope. It was implied last year that Montantes was infected with Genotype B3. If so that’s the current circulating strain and it is a Vaccine strain which fits right into what Ollikainen stated-she was infected at a medical facility. A question asked but never responded to by the Washington State Health Dept-had Montantes recently received n MMR because she was immunocompromised?

    Devil is in the details.
    – Clallam County woman’s death by measles is first in nation in 12 years and first in state since 1990 By Rob Ollikainen Peninsula Daily News PORT ANGELES — A Clallam County woman who died of measles in the spring was the first confirmed measles death in the U.S. since 2003 and the first in Washington state since 1990. The state Department of Health officials announced the death Thursday. “Our deepest sympathy goes out to the family,” said Iva Burks, Clallam County health and human services director.

    The woman, who was not identified, was likely exposed to measles at Olympic Medical Center during a winter outbreak in Clallam County, health officials said. She was at the medical facility at the same time as a person who later developed a rash and was contagious for measles, state Health spokesman Donn Moyer said.
    “She had an underlying disorder, an autoimmune disorder, and she was taking a number of different drugs to modulate the immune system,” said Dr. Jeanette Stehr-Green, interim Clallam County health officer, in a Thursday interview.
    “Some of those medications would prevent her from mounting a good response to any infection. ” The woman was transferred to the University of Washington Medical Center in Seattle, where she died. She did not exhibit common symptoms of measles like a rash, so the infection wasn’t discovered until after her death.
    An autopsy concluded the cause of death was PNEUMONIA due to measles.
    Although health officials are withholding the woman’s age, hometown and date of death, Stehr-Green did say the woman was a young adult who had been vaccinated for measles earlier in life.

    UPDATE: 1 year later the MSM decided to revisit the article right before the announcement of VAXXED.

    Before you go there, the immunocompromised can be vaccinated. Who says–the CDC.

  • Scott Lindsey

    Here’s s straight answer: Vaccines are not 100% safe.

    They are generally thought to be safer than the disease they protect against.

    At this point I think it is incumbent upon the anti-vaxxers to overturn that belief.

  • Scott Lindsey

    Ok, I think the assumption is generally that she was immunocompromised. That is a given.

    But I don’t know why you would think that and immunocompromised person can be given a live measles vaccine. That would probably kill them just as being exposed to a virus would .

    I do think it’s fair to say that she was not entirely killed by measles. She was probably a leukemia victim who was battling on many fronts but being exposed to measles by an anti-Vader didn’t do her any good.

  • guest

    “I don’t know why you would think that and immunocompromised person can be given a live measles vaccine.”

    What About the Immunocompromised?http://fearlessparent(dot)org/what-about-the-immunocompromised/.
    You also ignore the fact that she was fully immunized as a child. That’s 2 MMR’s and the MMR is said to immunize for life.

    “I do think it’s fair to say that she was not entirely killed by measles”
    There is no splitting hairs. The health dept says she died from PNEUMONIA. Measles wasn’t discovered until she was autopsied. PNEUMONIA an opportunistic disease. Don’t forget the reports says she contracted measles in a health care facility.

    “She was probably a leukemia victim who was battling on many fronts”
    Leukemia was not mentioned in the article nor in the state’s health dept bulletin. You are grasping at straws to distract from the fact that she didn’t die from Measles but pneumonia.

    being exposed to measles by an anti-Vader didn’t do her any good.”
    Do you have proof that she was exposed to any anti-vader or vaxxer or unvaccinated individual? Considering that was a rabid massive MMR campaign being implements across the US at the time it’s more than likely that she was infected by someone recently vaccinated considering the MMR sheds for 28 days or more.

    From last year:
    The news of Clallam County over the past few months that the previous case—the fifth—of measles in that county involved a man who had been vaccinated against the disease. The other four measles cases in the county in February involved people who had not been vaccinated. These included a 14-year old boy (the fourth case) and his 5-year old sister (the second case), and two men ages 43 (the third case) and 52 (the first case). Two of the individuals involved in the first four cases are apparently related to the man in the fifth case.

    According to Clallam health officials, both the fourth and fifth case individuals were quarantined during their infectious period, so they could not have spread the disease All five cases occurred at the same time there was so much national commotion over the outbreak of measles at Disneyland… which explains why the Clallam County Health and Human Services officials started issuing public health advisories urging people to get free shots of the measles vaccine (MMR) at local clinics.

    It’s possible that the 20-some year old woman (the sixth case) caught the measles virus from one of the other five people (although we know that at least two of those individuals had been quarantined). But it is also possible that the woman, who never actually developed measles symptoms, simply responded to local health advisories and drove over to a clinic and got her MMR shot, and that’s what the autopsy found was traces of the vaccine strain measles virus in her system. The Washington Health Dept. stated the virus was not the same as the Disney stain which was Genotype B3 so the Genotype of the virus she was infected with is Genotype A, but what number considering there are about 19-21 Genotype A strains listed on the CDC website. Remember, MMR is an attenuated (weakened) live virus vaccine, and those who get live virus vaccines can be infected with it. However the Washington State Health Dept has not revealed what the Genotype was. Also, given her immunocompromised status, had the young woman been given a Pneumonia vaccine recently? What is the Pneumonia strain found in her system?

    Current articles a year later continue to cherry pick and word carefully information on blogs. I have written via email the bloggers of the articles I’ve read and have asked for additional information but they have not responded. I’ve written the Washington State Health Dept for additional information but their response is a link to the public statement.

    This unfortunate young lady died from PNEUMONIA and it is repugnant for the pharmaceutical industry/CDC via the MSM and their legion of online trolls to use her death as a fear mongering weapon which preys upon the fears of parents.

  • Scott Lindsey

    “Does your doctor think you’re only mildly immunosuppressed? Then the CDC gives the all-clear for the MMR.” … But if you follow the link, you learn that for the most severe type of immunocompromisation, “Vaccination of Hematopoietic Cell Transplant Recipients”, the CDC recommends a waiting period of no less than 24 months before an MMR vaccination, because a live virus could cause real harm to someone without an immune system.

    “MMR is said to immunize for life.” Well, ok, but that’s contingent on having an immune system. Vaccines work by training the immune system. If you’ve had your immune system wiped out by chemotherapy and are trying to get well enough for a bone marrow transplant, well you just don’t have an immune system and any little bug is going to kill you, even the gimpy ones that we uses as vaccines.

    Yes, we don’t know that the woman in WA had leukemia. I have read that she “was taking drugs that suppressed her immune system”. That sounds like leukemia to me, but it could also have been an organ transplant, maybe something else? Whatever the reason though, she was clearly severely immunocompromised. And she got measles. And then she died.

    And about pneumonia… Pneumonia is not a disease, it is a symptom, like a headache or a fever. You can’t vaccinate against pneumonia any more than you can vaccinate against drowning, or bullets because it’s not caused by one thing

    Pneumonia is a very common complication of measles. Which the doctors didn’t catch because they weren’t looking for it because measles is supposed to be wiped out in the US.

  • Really? They have not tackled anything but promoting more BS, and the same false vaccine propaganda BS that they were fed. So you get your so correct vaccine safety and efficacy information from an “F” word swearing magician and entertainer, and with a silent side kick who communicates through mime and nonverbals. Besides the so called magic, the pair has become associated with the advocacy of atheism, scientific skepticism, and libertarianism, particularly through their television show, Penn & Teller Bullsh$t. And that was the best you could do? So is Paul Offit and his information so obviously bogus that you could not quote him and his information; so you instead use the crazed Penn Jillette? So who do you suppose bought them off and filled and fed them with such actually discredited and false information?

    And who are they, find out here

    Penn Jillette

  • But this again on your part is a diversion. In stating that vaccines are not 100% safe in your view is only involving a risk of vaccine injury in one in one million doses, and in assuming that even then it can not be proven the connection to vaccines.

    So in your view the risk from vaccine harm is near to non existent. You fail and fail again to realize the real risks of vaccines, and you also ignore the existence of thousands of vaccine injured children. You fail as well on every level when you only accept the CDC and WHO version of claimed to illness and so called disease eradication that was literally nothing more than correlation equals causation assumed to be accomplished by vaccines.

    Like all of the other stubborn and persistent shills you refuse any research and historical accounts evidence recorded by persons who lived in those times, in regard to what really happened when vaccines were developed for the pathogens that we know of. What they put forth of course is entirely the opposite for outcome as what the falsely assumed authoritative sources claim to. The promotion of vaccines and as well vaccine safety and efficacy has historically and to the current day involved major levels of corruption and a complete and high level of fraud, since day one.

  • If no one could find a connection in regard to the MMR vaccine, then why are all these studies on this long list yet then yet quite obviously standing with a status of having been completely ignored? Studies that not only support Dr Wakefield’s 1998 Lancet study findings, but as well essentially replicate those findings?

    Callous Disregard-Research


    VAXXED: the ABC News interview that Big Pharma didn’t want you to see

    And what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDc vaccine schedule. None of thsoe studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiological studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased. Find out in this analysis why all of those studies are nothing but unreliable junk science. And guess what, these are the same epidemiological studies that ave also been used at the federal vaccine court, to deny 100’s of children and their families a rightful outcome of compensation received.


    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”

    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”

    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”

    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    Read more:

  • guest

    So the CDc says to wait 24 months. What’s the problem? She was fully vaccinated and the MMR is said to immunize for life.

    “Vaccines work by training the immune system.”
    Please provide data to support this claim. Vaccines do not train the immune system:

    In 1995, Golding and Scott,2 published the need for strategies to make vaccines that would generate the “required” Th cell to the corresponding microorganism. Since that time, attempts to produce vaccines that would generate a “natural”- type response have failed. So, we are left with vaccines that generate “protective” responses as a second choice. How does this work? In vaccine-induced Th2 responses, called humoral responses, the body produces large quantities of specific antibodies that block the virus from
    entering cells. This response is why a vaccinated child doesn’t get a full blown
    infection and why the child won’t spread as many viruses into the environment. However, antibodies cannot get into cells to eliminate viruses once the viruses are in the cells or cannot kill infected cells themselves. Therefore, the body has no choice other than to internalize the virus and be chronically infected when the body is forced into a Th2 antibody response. The body is essentially constipated with viruses that it cannot expel! (Vaccine Strategies: Targeting Helper T Cell Responses
    BASIL GOLDING and DOROTHY E. SCOTT) Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences.
    Both researchers continue to work for the FDA.

    “And she got measles. And then she died.”

    No, You are distorting the chronology of what happened. She died of Pneumonia. It was during her autopsy it was discovered she had measles. The pathologist wasn’t looking for measles because she was ASYMPTOMATIC.
    -A Woman Died From Measles and I’m (Still) Not Getting Vaccinated: http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/a-woman-died-from-measles-and-im-still-not-getting-vaccinated/
    -A Measles Death, Vaccines, and the Media’s Failure to Inform:http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/a-measles-death-vaccines-and-the-medias-failure-to-inform/

    “Pneumonia is not a disease, it is a symptom, like a headache or a fever. You can’t vaccinate against pneumonia”

    Maybe you better have your handler call the CDC and the pharmaceutical industry because it is they who have declared Pneumonia is a disease and therefore needs a vaccine for:
    COMMERCIAL NAME: Pneumococcal 7-valent Conjugate Vaccine (Diphtheria CRM197 Protein) Prevnar
    -Pneumococcal 13-valent Conjugate Vaccine (Diphtheria CRM197 Protein)
    Prevnar 13
    -Pneumococcal Vaccine, Polyvalent Pneumovax-23

    “Pneumonia is a very common complication of measles.”
    Please provide data to support your claim that pneumonia is a common complication of measles. It is a common complication of Atypical Measles Syndrome aka AMS. AMS is a mutation or as the medicos like to sweet talk it a altered immune response to the measles vaccine. Pneumonia and are very encephalopathy common after a child develops AMS from the vaccine which was first thought only to comes from the First Measles Vaccine but researchers discovered that it occurs with the current vaccine. AMS comes only from a Measles Vaccine.

    Pneumonia is a adverse reaction to any illness that suppress the respiratory system. It is an opportunistic illness. The causes are many including vaccines. A person can break a leg, develop pneumonia or have surgery, a bad chest. The causes are many.

  • guest

    Which the doctors didn’t catch because they weren’t looking for it because measles is supposed to be wiped out in the US.

    Measles is not eradicated or wiped out in the US or anywhere else. Measles was suppose to be ELIMINATED in 2000 but the WHO-the agency that confers the deceleration quietly walked that back without going public when it was discovered that the number of cases were higher than reported.

    To be clear what this means:
    IF measles was eliminated, the WHO is referring to ENDEMIC or NATURAL measles, not the vaccine strains which is running rampant all over the world.

    In the year 2000, cases had declined, and measles was finally declared eliminated from the United States – 33 years after the original elimination target date. However, in 2012 the CDC pulled back from that declaration, stating that measles reappeared and was spreading. Of the total number of cases, 200 were attributed to foreign travel, but the source for 22 cases was never determined.
    [18] . “Measles Outbreaks in 2011 Were Worst in 15 Years: CDC,” Health Day News, April 19, 2012.

  • guest

    Hey Scott,
    When are you going to answer my questions that were posted earlier in this thread. You know, the ones that would support your statement:

    “a higher number would suffer worse consequences without them were childhood diseases allowed to return.”

    The questions again are:
    -Independent double-blind, placebo-controlled studies that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
    – Independent scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
    -Independent scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part
    of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?
    -Independent scientific justification as to how injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to human health and prevents disease?
    -a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the intended goal of preventing disease?
    -Independent scientific justification on how bypassing the respiratory tract (or mucous membrane) is advantageous and how directly injecting viruses into the bloodstream enhances immune functioning and prevents future infections?
    -Independent scientific justification on how a vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?
    -Independent scientific justification as to how a vaccination can target a virus in an infected individual who does not have the exact viral configuration or strain the vaccine was developed for?

    Independent means NO medical industrial complex involvement. To determine this you must research the researchers to ascertain what their academic credentials are & where, past & current employment ties to either pharma or any university/hospital/research group. Of course top of the list is who is the funding source for the studies.

  • Well, the way you dance around the facts, ignore the information presented to you, and blithely abandon previous statements that you made, certainly makes you appear to be a shill rather than a concerned parent. I think I made it clear that if one wants to know the truth, one does not consult the foxes who are guarding the hen houses. Having measles in childhood is an important immune system builder. I had it, my siblings had it, all our friends and cousins and schoolmates had it, we all got through it fine, and are now immune for life. THE VACCINATED are not immune, they keep having to get boosters, and then can get the disease, and a much worse case of it, as adults. Vaccines not only make measles much more dangerous for children (plus the vaccines shed), but also much more deadly for adults.

    Measles Vaccines Part II; Benefits of Contracting Measles …

    And to address the situation you mentioned elsewhere about compromised immune systems; the major factor, by far, in creating compromised immune systems IS vaccinations.

  • I got involved in researching vaccines after reading an excerpt from a medical journal about vaccinations causing leukemia.

  • Jenniffer

    P and T as spokespeople for the drug cartel, is all you’ve got? What a hoot!

  • Jenniffer

    “You seem very focused on documentation.” I love that. All you anti-choice peeps ask for is documentation and then you can’t handle it. Make up your mind, Mr. Lindsey.

    If we ended vaccination tomorrow, the same number approximately would get sick as before vaccination started. The number is an unknown because there is no data that is reliable.

    The healthy citizens would not get sick, the unhealthy might.

  • guest

    They are generally thought to be safer than the disease they protect against.

    Of course you have studies to substantiate your above deceleration which goes back to YOU answering the questions I posted to you earlier. The answers to those questions would substantiate your comment. Otherwise it’s just another CDC/pharma industry lie. A scam. A flim flam. A con. A hoax. A snow job.

    Answer the questions please.

  • How would the population be of an uncertain size? Who is collecting the information at Sanofi Pasteur that would have no idea of what the population size is that they are selling vaccines to? So then where are they getting their reports from which would as well not indicate how many reports of resulting autism were received and to estimate their so called, frequency? And this is what you are saying.

    Seems like everything is claimed as literally being on a collision course with intentionally and deliberately not knowing what is really going on? No proof and or evidence available ever. But yet they can fund corrupt epidemiological studies that claim to nothing was found within the population for cases of autism that would ever correlate that outcome to the MMR vaccine. That was the only vaccine they ever claimed to have studied with epidemiological studies. They studied not several vaccines and/or combined vaccines, and/or given on a single day and office, but only one vaccine. They then proclaimed that vaccine(s) do not cause autism, and that all the needed studies were in; and that study after study shows that vaccines do not cause autism.

    Would you say Mr. Lindsey that you believe that all the needed vaccine safety studies are in, and that nothing more as to vaccine safety has ever needed to be studied???

  • So are you blaming vaccine skippers for this woman’s suppressed immune system, and her resulting no sign or symptoms of measles death? And this was the only and the best story they could come up with to falsely fear monger the public into vaccinating? So you are saying that all of the parents should risk vaccine injury and resulting autism, simply to protect individuals like this woman with near to no immune system? And how would you even know if she would have been protected even if everyone on the planet were vaccinated?

    These 1959 Reports Show Measles Was Considered a ‘Mild Infection’

    I think that parents and individuals alone have the right to decide if the risk of the MMR vaccine is worth it. That decision based on complete information, and not the incomplete and vested interests bearing remarks of people such as Paul Offit.

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.

    The Lancet, January 5 1985


    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.


    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity


    Excerpt from the USA Today article you posted:

    The woman, who died of pneumonia, had other health conditions and was taking medications that suppressed her immune system, the health department said.

    Pneumonia is one of several serious common complications of measles and the most common cause of death from the virus, said William Schaffner, a professor at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine in Nashville. Measles kills one or two children out of every 1,000 infected, according to the CDC.

    It’s not surprising that the woman had no obvious measles symptoms; people with compromised immune systems often don’t develop a rash when infected with the virus, said Paul Offit, chief of infectious disease at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

    The woman’s death was a preventable, but predictable, consequence of falling vaccination rates, said Peter Hotez, president of the Sabin Vaccine Institute and Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development in Houston. (End of article excerpt)

  • Renrah

    Dr Garry Gordon seems to be making significant strides in this area


    plus his ODP protocol will be helpful to all

  • Although the MMR vaccine is clearly implicated, and as well in the available studies; it is not just the MMR vaccine in the causation of vaccine injury and autism.

    Vaccines and Pregnancy: The Criminal Conspiracy to Create Autism

    3) Virtually all degenerative disease, autism included, can be characterized as persistent inflammation with biomarkers of elevations in pro-inflammatory immune signaling molecules called cytokines. Research has established a very clear link between an increase in these pro-inflammatory cytokines during pregnancy and autism, aka “Maternal Immune Activation”. (R) (R) (R)Persistent inflammation is most commonly expressed as an elevation in the following cytokines: Interferon gamma (IFN-y), Interluekin 1b (IL-1b), Interluekin 6(IL-6), and Interluekin 17 (IL-17). Interleukin 17 is perhaps the most significant, and has established itself as the most important cytokine for perpetuating autoimmune conditions. This is certainly no secret to any competent immunologist within the CDC. (R) (R)

    4) Research data on the biochemical mechanisms of immune response to vaccines suggests that virtually ALL vaccines work by inducing IL-17. This too is no secret to the CDC. The authors from the following study acknowledge the real dangers associated with vaccines inducing IL-17, but it seems a minor afterthought to them. This paper from 2010 is about the “modernization” of vaccines, and it clearly illustrates the overall dangerous imprecision that is vaccine science and application. (R) Here’s a quote from that paper:

    5) Research shows autism to be an inflammatory condition, with elevations of pro-inflammatory cytokines being found in the blood of the autistic population. There are now NUMEROUS studies verifying this evidence(R)(R)(R)(R), and one of the most notable, when considering the fact that many, if not all, vaccines work by activating the production of IL-17 is from the following study published in the Journal of Neuroinflammation in 2012.(R)

    Read more:

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2 (Multiple studies)

    More Aluminum Adjuvant Harm Done Studies

    Callous Disregard-Research

  • jazzlives62

    Because Natural News routinely deletes my posts because they contain the truth, here is my response to you on
    Eleanor and “The Poison Needle”:

    Detected as spam Thanks, we’ll work on getting this corrected.

    From page 28 of “The Poisoned Needle”: “Germs are not the cause of disease in the first place and are useful wherever they are found in nature….”

    In the Addendum : “Bacteria do no cause pathology but are rather the effects of the disease.” Later: “Numerous experiments with germs conducted in the past have conclusively proven that bacteria does not and cannot produce disease in a healthy organism.”

    For more comic relief, on page 28: “DISEASE IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE CURED; IT IS A CURE.” ( Please note the author capitalized these words, not me.) Great thinking. So let’s spread as much disease around as we can, so we can cure people!

    And the clincher, she enlightens us about the causes of polio, outside the vaccine of course: eating ice cream and drinking cola, fatigue, and of course “negative emotions that generate internal poisons”. Um….WHAT?

    I have no reason to doubt McBean’s honesty. I have every reason to doubt her

  • Nikka80

    Suki49: Diphtheria and Scarlet Fever (strep bacteria) are spread by coughing, not sewage or contaminated food or water.

  • ALL the “infectious diseases” (not just diphtheria and scarlet fever) are said to be from person to person contact of some kind, given that the population is sufficiently susceptive. Although proper nutrition, clean water, and right environment are the main factors in either preventing diseases, or making them non-fatal, I believe that long term exposure, over decades and even centuries, causes a build-up of immunity in populations. But vaccinations are not the same (homeopathic nosodes are closer to what the vaccines are described as) as building natural immunity. Like getting the measles and mumps, which I and my siblings, parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, classmates, neighbors, etc. had, and survived, and are now immune.

    Injecting diseased matter from animals, combined with toxic chemicals, has only added even worse maladies into the mix. And because, the vaccinated diseases are recurring (in the vaccinated), often in a more serious form, the pharmaceutical industry is now backed into a corner and scrambling for a scapegoat; the few remaining unvaccinated.

    Again, there was no mass vaccination for scarlet fever. There also was none for leprosy (also an infectious disease).

    From the article “Why did leprosy die out in Europe?”

    A recent archaeological research project set out to answer this question. A team of archaeologists and biologists exhumed the bones of medieval lepers and sequenced the DNA of five strains of the leprosy bacteria. They found no significant difference between medieval leprosy and the strains still found today in Asia. The disease hadn’t become any less virulent, so why did it die out?

    It appears it was the victim of its own success. People have a genetic level of resistance to particular diseases. Those who were most susceptible died from it and didn’t pass on their genes. Leprosy was one of the few grounds for divorce in medieval Europe. Only those individuals who had stronger resistance to leprosy remained, and thus the disease all but died out in Europe.”

  • Chief Scientific Officer Says MMR Vaccine Causes Autism

    The question of whether or not vaccines cause autism is the root of one of the world’s most contentious arguments. So much so, that governments are passing mandatory vaccination laws and major corporations are forcing film festivals to bury documentaries offering perspective to the concept. There has been Andrew Wakefield and Barbara Loe Fisher, among a many, to declare that vaccines and autism share an intimate relationship. Now meet Dr Peter Fletcher, U.K. Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health.

    In the 1970’s, Dr Fletcher served as Chief Scientific Officer at the DoH and Medical Assessor to the Committee on Safety of Medicines and primarily was responsible for deciding if new vaccines were safe for the public. In 2001, Fletcher was noted as expressing a level of concern over the MMR vaccine due to what he termed as “inadequate testing.” Now Fletcher, according to Daily Mail, is linking the MMR vaccine to autism.

    He said the rising tide of autism cases and growing scientific understanding of autism-related bowel disease have convinced him the MMR vaccine may be to blame.

    “Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,” he said.


    If it is true that no other source or person on earth has ever recreated the study and the study findings that Dr Wakefield did, and in calling the study fraudulent; then perhaps the same people that believe that accusation can as well tell me how and why that this long list of supporting and even replicating MMR studies have obviously gone ignored? Either the needed study science is there, or it is not; and obviously it is there.

    Callous Disregard-Research

  • What if human feces is not disposed of properly, and water systems inadequate and not supplying clean and non contaminated water? So you are saying that scarlet fever was eradicated with a vaccine; when?

  • Again, I’m struck, going back into the book, by the fact that mostly McBean is sharing information from doctors, or quoting them. Her main contribution was researching the pubic health records. Here is what Dr. Beauchamp said about germs, and I would agree with that. And I know for certain that vaccines have caused more damage and destruction than just about anything else out there, and it is just going to get worse as the numbers of them are increased.

    “The renowned Dr. Antoine Bechamp, one of the world’s foremost scientists and bacteriologists, observed that the micro-organisms that are ordinarily called germs, evolve out of decaying cells they helped to build, and take part in the decomposing of the ever changing life substance and help to form it into material usable again by nature. Thus, when germs are found within a sick body it is not that they entered from outside and caused the disease. It is because they developed from the decaying cells within the body and have an important part to play in helping to handle the waste and destruction brought about by serums, drugs and other poisons forced upon the body from without. Perhaps our modern bacteriologists have seen this activity of the “microzymas” and jumped to the conclusion that they are anti-bodies fighting disease and that they (the doctors) must inject more of them into the body by way of vaccines. But anyone with common sense and reasoning can see that this would only interfere and disrupt the well organized efforts of nature. This is the reason why vaccination has taken such a heavy toll of lives and has produced such widespread disease.”

  • jazzlives62

    I think a poor diet leads to heart disease, cancer, obesity, and diabetes among other things. But polio? Polio is caused by a virus.

    And for every doctor that McBean quotes, there are probably thousands who disagree. Bechamp’s theory on microorganisms and disease has been dismissed by modern medicine because it’s wrong. Bacteria and “germs” cause disease- there can be no debate. His argument was formed prior to advances in microbiology and immunology, which disprove his argument.

    People used to die routinely from septicemia after suffering a simple laceration which became infected. Antibiotics have kept scores of people alive who would have died prior to their availability.

    As for your statement that vaccines have created damage and destruction, it just doesn’t make sense. The more vaccines that have been administered, the longer we have lived and the less disease we have seen. I know there have been exceptions with some measles outbreaks, etc. but the state of health that our children enjoy today is so much better than when parents had to worry about diseases like smallpox, polio, diphtheria, pertussis, etc. If you have access to death certificates in your area (some counties will allow you to access them for a fee), look at the causes of death for children in the early 20th century. It’s truly eye-opening.

  • guest

    Polio is caused by a virus.

    -Poliovirus Isolation: No Evidence

    -The dangerous impurities of vaccines

    -What then can cause Polio?

    -Polio – A Shot in the Dark

  • Ok, well you’ve ignored the modern recipe for vaccines, and how they haven’t changed much at all from the cow pus and the jaw bone/colt’s tongue/green rust concoctions. And, I’ve always been aware that for every one of the kinds of doctors McBean quotes, there are “probably thousands” who disagree, because ever since I became an investigative activist 35-40 year ago, I’ve realized that the number of enlightened and truly intelligent individuals in ANY profession are always in the minority.

    My mother died of sepsis, in a hospital under the care of professionals, in 2006. Antibiotics have their place, although they are now becoming less effective from gross overuse. There are natural alternatives, but this discussion is NOT about antibiotics.

    We arrived in an era of better living conditions about 100 years ago. My grandparents were not vaccinated at all, and their food was certainly of better quality than what we’re seeing today. In my own family history, the toll of vaccination in recent years has been high. Because of the short time frame, we are just beginning to have a glimpse of the vaccination holocaust coming quickly down the pike. The longer term effects of vaccines include cancer and auto-immune diseases.

    Here is a report on the effects of nutrition on infectious diseases:

    And, here is an interview with a vaccination developer conducted by Jon Rappoport, another acquaintance of mine:

    Vaccines – Jon Rappoport interview of ex vaccine researcher

    A current commercial on TV for FaceYourRisk.com says that someone goes to the hospital every 6 minutes with a life-threatening food allergy. That didn’t used to happen. It’s not unusual for children to be carrying Epi-pens, because they can go into respiratory arrest; again, something new.

    Here is a partial list of adverse effects (no matter how “rare” you or the pharmaceutical companies would like to claim they might be, they ARE admitted by the manufacturers to be linked to vaccinations): cardiac arrest, ataxia, respiratory tract infection, Guillain-barre’, SIDS, seizures, arthritis, arthralgia, brachial neuritis, altered immunocompetence, syncope, aseptic meningitis, type 1 diabetes, encephalomyopathy, pneumonia, coma, permanent brain damage. No wonder the vaccine makers $truck a $weet deal with the government to protect them against any liability. Now, without due process, if the courts deign to allow compensation, the taxpayers get to pay all damages, while the pharma crooks laugh all the way to their offshore banks.

    Survival of the fittest ensured that the strongest of our species survived. Vaccinations are ensuring that even the strongest will become impaired.

  • jazzlives62

    Here is the poliovirus:



    The paper in the second link was written by Janine Roberts who was a journalist. She had no training or education in microbiology, immunology, or any other science related to this issue.

    Ditto for link # 3 and # 4.

    Polio by definition is caused by the polio virus. The few documented cases today are counted as polio only if the virus is present. Acute flaccid paralysis ( AFP) is a symptom of polio but many other diseases cause AFP. . It is not a disease in itself. According to WHO, the most common causes of AFP are botulism, Guillian Barre, enteroviruses and herpes viruses, and acute myelopathy. AFP is used in screening for polio because the symptoms mimic polio, but polio is usually not the causative agent.

    The documented cases of polio on a global level have decreased significantly since the polio vaccine has become more widespread. The countries with the most polio cases in recent years- Pakistan and Afghanistan- saw polio cases go up as vaccination decreased primarily due to political issues among other causes. The Taliban et al have been known to threaten and kill organizations trying to initiate campaigns in those countries.
    Maybe it’s time to fast-forward to the present day……

  • jazzlives62

    First of all, show me evidence that vaccines today contain “cow pus and the jaw bone/colt’s tongue/green rust concoctions” and I”ll argue your point. Since you obviously can’t do that, you’ve answered your own question.

    There is no doubt that improved living conditions and nutrition have helped decrease the spread of disease- no rational person would dispute that. However, to deny that vaccines had any effect on decreasing cases of communicable diseases is not very logical either. The horrific conditions under which people lived hundreds of years ago still exist today- developing countries have hundreds of millions of people living in environments with poor sanitation, lack of clean water and malnutrition. However, disease such as polio and smallpox have essentially been eradicated. Pertussis and tetanus have also decreased in spite of substandard conditions. To what do you attribute the decline in those areas, and an increased life expectancy as well?

    The “interview” by Rappoport doesn’t even name the scientist he interviewed. I’m not going to waste my time with information that can’t be validated.

    I agree with much of the article on nutrition and infectious disease. However, the article states that “Worldwide, ∼2 billion people are affected by micronutrient deficiencies, including vitamins A, C, and E and minerals zinc, iron, and iodine. The effects are poor growth, impaired intellect, and increased mortality and susceptibility to infection.”

    So why do we see drastic decreases in vaccine preventable diseases, even with the widespread malnutrition we have today? Again, you’re answering your own question.

    About the VAERS database, have you ever gone to the website and downloaded the actual adverse events reported? If not, try it. From year to year, one of the most common is “no adverse effect”, which is still reported because the vaccine may not have been stored properly, or the wrong route of administration was used. Many of the other events include redness or soreness at the injection site, low grade fever, and a host of other mild reactions. Often when severe events are mentioned, it’s obviously not related to the vaccine. I saw one case of death reported to the VAERS site in which the cause of death was child abuse by the parents. Another was reported when the child died of SIDS. There has been no correlation between vaccination and SIDS; as a matter of fact SIDS has decreased while vaccination has increased. This is reported in the database, but is obviously not related to the vaccines. In addition, the manufacturers are not absolved of liability. If the case is lost, the family can still file a civil suit.

    Lastly, about your adverse effects- those are events which occurred in people who have been vaccinated, but often there is no proof the vaccine caused these events. Read the insert a little more in depth and you’ll see that statement. One example: In the Gardisil insert, it mentions that in the trials over 29,000 people were vaccinated, and 40 of them died. The most common cause of death? Car Accidents. 5 were killed who received Gardisil, and 4 who were in the control group. Suicides? 2 by people that received the vaccine, 6 by people who didn’t. I’ve heard so much nonsense about how Gardisil causes people to die because this very information is interpreted incorrectly, either intentionally or not. To recap, all the terrible events that you and your group are attributing to the vaccines is simply not true. Hope this shed some light.

    Gotta go.

  • jazzlives62
  • Yet again, you conveniently skipped over the issue of the ingredients of the “modern vaccines.” Often they will use fancy words, like fibroblasts, but that’s just a term for cells from body parts. So, as stated before, we’ve swapped the cow pus for mouse brains; instead of colt’s tongue we have monkey and dog kidneys; in place of the green rust there is aluminum, formaldehyde, paint thinner, mercury, etc. They’ve also added tissue from aborted human fetuses.

    The Salk vaccine actually contained feces. And most people are aware by now that the SV40 virus from the monkey ingredients has been found to cause deadly tumors, starting as much as 30 years and more after vaccination.

    The reason the former vaccine developer interviewed by Jon Rappoport didn’t want to be named is no doubt obvious to you, but you pretend like there is no threat to those who come forward and disclose what the trillion-dollar-a-year industry and it’s cronies in all the other powerful intertwined industries are working overtime to keep hidden. But we’ll keep seeing advertisements like “FaceYourRisk” and will keep helping people connect the dots.

    I never consult the foxes who are guarding the henhouses to find out why the chickens disappeared.

    I’ve had my fill of debating a shadow boxer. I will just tell those who are genuinely interested in learning the REAL history of vaccinations and epidemics, and the effects of vaccines, to read the following:

    Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries & Roman …

    The Golden Calf by Charles W Forward – WHALE

    The Poisoned Needle by Eleanor McBean – Educate-Yourself

  • jazzlives62

    McBean: “Disease is not something to be cured- it is the cure.” Therein lies the fundamental difference. If you choose to align yourself with that line of thinking, it’s your right. I choose to mitigate human suffering- not perpetuate it.

  • jazzlives62

    It just dawned on me as I reflect about the animal contents of vaccines you mention. I ask you- have you ever eaten a hot dog, or a piece of sausage? I’m assuming you’re aware of what goes into their production. Do you express similar outrage toward the agricultural industry, and are you a vegetarian?

  • You just won’t go away, will you? I am a vegan.

  • Nikka80

    Excuse me – Did I say scarlet fever was eradicated by a vaccine?

  • The animal ingredients (which you were, in effect, trying to deny or skirt around the fact are in “modern” vaccines, early on) when injected, are not only causing auto-immune diseases (admitted in medical journals, quoted in my own book on the subject) because of the animals’ genetic material binding to our own genes, causing them to appear as foreign, and then our immune systems attack our own invaded organs. They’ve even been finding it in vaccinated dogs:

    Purdue Vaccination Study – sardogs

    As for the situation in Pakistan:

    Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Vaccine Empire on Trial in …

    Bill Gates: Polio Vaccine Program Causes 47,500 Deaths …

    So, that’s it. I’m still encouraging people to read the sources I provided and make up their own minds. Oh, and steer clear of “information” put out by self-interested industries or their bought-and-paid-for media sources.

  • My point is that scarlet fever had no vaccine. So where did that go, and how? So you answer a question with a question.

  • guest

    There has never been and continues to be no Image of a Polio Virus that has infected a cell. I understand that is the Gold Standard in Virology. The “isolated” polio viruses are artificial particles in the online images of the Polio Virus are generated by suction of an indifferent mass through a very fine filter into a vacuum. Its structure (no characteristic structures) differ clearly from the ones of the “viruses” in the cells. Here the information is essential that a biochemical characterization of those “isolated” viruses, although “isolation” is claimed, has never been published anywhere nor has anybody even claimed such a characterization.

    You need to research Janine Roberts. A person doesn’t have to be a scientist to read and understand what the literature states. As an investigative journalist who spend over a decade attending high level government vaccine meeting on both side of the pond, she knows more about vaccines than any scientist who actually studies vaccines. While you researching her, read her books and you’ll learn that the US & British governments gave her free access to any documents she wanted to read. Roberts doesn’t need to be defended when her books on scientific matters have been forwarded by Noble Prize Scientist.

    Typical for you to send links to information that have been paid and approved by the US government. Not worthy of anyone’s time to discredit considering the government (CDC) stopped using the Polio Vaccine in the US because it was causing Polio. In fact the developer of the vaccine stated this:

    -In 1976, Dr Jonas Salk, creator of the killed-virus vaccine used in the 1950’s, testified that the live-virus vaccine (used almost exclusively in the U.S. from the early 1960’s to 2000) was the “principal if not sole cause” of all reported polio cases in the U.S. since 1961 (Washington Post,September 24,1976). The virus remains in the throat for one to two weeks and in the feces for up to two months. Thus, vaccine recipients are at risk, and can potentially spread the disease, as long as fecal excretion of the virus continues ( American Academy of Pediatrics, Report of the Committee on Infectious Diseases:1986(Elk Grove Village, Illinois: AAP):284–5.

    -In February 1992 the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published an admission that the live-virus vaccine had become the dominant cause of polio in the United States (Strebel PM., et al. Epidemiology of poliomyletis in U.S. n 1992, one decade after the last reported case of indigenous wild virus associated disease, Clinical Infectious Diseases CDC, February 1992:568–79). In fact, according to CDC figures, every case of polio in the U.S. since 1979 was caused by the oral polio vaccine (CDC reference above) Authorities claim the vaccine was responsible for about eight cases of polio every year (Institute of Medicine. An evaluation of poliomyelitis vaccine policy options.IOM Publication 88-04(Washington DC: National Academy of Sciences,1988). However, an independent study that analyzed the government’s own vaccine database during a recent period of less than five years uncovered 13,641 reports of adverse events following use of the oral polio vaccine. These reports included 6,364 emergency room visits and 540 deaths (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), Rockville, MD. & IOS. The Polio vaccine coverup COPV Vaccine Report: Document #14. http://www.ios(dot)com/~w1066/poliov6.html)
    Public outrage at these tragedies became the impetus for removing the oral polio vaccine from immunization schedules (Strebel PM., et al. Epidemiology ofpoliomyletis in U.S. one decade after the last reported case of indigenous wild virus associated disease, Clinical Infectious Diseases CDC, February 1992:568–79)

    Endemic Polio around the world had decreased on it’s own with the implementation of improved sanitation, higher hygiene standards, clean water, nutritious food ,better living conditions and access to medical care in third world countries. Everywhere the Polio Vaccine has been used there was either no Endemic Polio or Polio was on the decline just like in the US in the 1950’s when the Vaccine was given. Polio cases as well as Non Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis have increased in third world countries where the vaccine has been given. NPAFP is NOT “a symptom of polio”. If you read thr reports out of countries where it has been given you will see that the cases directly correlate with the number of doses given. NPAFP is caused by the Polio vaccine and is clinically indistinguishable. When you say that AFP can be cause by anything you are referring to GBS which is a catch all that has the same symptoms as Polio. NPAFP comes only from the vaccine and where the vaccine is given either Polio cases increase or NFAFP number increase.

  • jazzlives62

    You’re right- the only remaining cases of polio were caused by the vaccine after the disease was nearly eradicated. What specifically in the vaccine caused these cases of polio?

    Why would the US government given open access to all of its documents to a journalist if it’s trying to hide information?

  • guest

    This World Health Organization:
    How many cases of acute flaccid paralysis (excluding cases due to polio) occurred from 1996 to 2009?

    608,832 cases of AFP were reported, worldwide. Looking at the data, year by year, certain countries have ND in the AFP cases reported column. ND means No Data. Which means that the 608,832 cases is incomplete and that there were even more cases of non-polio AFP during this period.

    In the same period, there were 39,131 cases of polio identified. (WHO, Immunization Monitoring, Diseases, Poliomyelitis Case Count, accessed multiple times between May 1 and June 1, 2010.)

    Here is some information on Acute Flaccid Paralysis in India. This was after the Gates Foundation with the help of the WHO implemented a Polio drive.
    this information is provided by Drs. Jacob M. Puliyel, Manoj Anand Gupta & Joseph L. Mathew of Department of Paediatrics St Stephens Hospital, Delhi 110054 Department of Paediatrics Postgraduate Institute of Medical Education & Research Chandigarh 160012, India:

    In India polio cases had come down from 24,257 in 1988 to 4793 cases in
    1994 with the help of routine immunization, well before the ‘eradication
    programme’ started in India, In those days all cases of acute flaccid
    paralysis (AFP) with residual paralysis beyond 60 days were diagnosed as
    polio. http://jacob.puliyel.com/download.php?id=132

    There was also an unexplained increase in AFP – especially non polio AFP. In 2005 there were 10,055 non polio AFP cases in Uttar Pradesh (UP) where 561 cases were expected. A delegation from the Public Report on Health (PRoH) (Council for Social Welfare, New Delhi) in November 2006 investigated the problem of residual paralysis in ‘non polio AFP’. The PRoH found that most cases of AFP were not being followed up (unless they cultured virus in the stools). Information provided under the Right to Information Act and available from National Polio Surveillance Project (NPSP) is shown in the Table. Of the 10264 cases of AFP, 209 were cases of polio or
    compatible with polio. Of the remaining 10055, only 2553 were followed
    up; of these, 898 had residual paralysis (that would qualify them to be
    diagnosed as polio using the old definition) and 217 died. Projecting
    these figures on those not followed up, it will appear that approximately 4800 cases had residual paralysis or died in UP after acquiring non polio AFP in the year 2005. This figure must be compared to the all India figures of 4793 polio cases in 1994. It is not surprising the NPSP is not keen on the follow up of these cases. The data from 2006, after 6 doses of mOPV had been administered in 2005, in districts of UP, are worse.

    The Acute Flaccid Paralysis cases in India continue to increase, year by year. For the year 2009, using the WHO data, we find 50,416 total cases. Out of this total 752 were polio.

    Documented today in India, a country that was declared Polio Free in 2011, are over 60,000 cases of NPAFP directly in correlation to the number of doses given:
    -India Still Reporting Cases of Polio-like Acute Flaccid Paralysis: http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/india-still-reporting-cases-of-polio-like-acute-flaccid-paralysis/.
    -Paralysis Haunts ‘Polio Free’ India: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/paralysis-haunts-polio-free-india/
    -Polio Vaccines Causing Worldwide Surge in Childhood Paralysis Cases:
    -The Polio VACCINE is Causing the New Polio: http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/09/03/the-polio-vaccine-is-causing-the-new-polio/
    -What the CDC Won’t Tell You About SV40, Polio Vaccines and Cancer: http://truthstreammedia.com/2014/09/17/what-the-cdc-wont-tell-you-about-sv40-polio-vaccines-and-cancer/
    -Merck vaccine scientist Dr. Maurice Hilleman admitted presence of SV40, AIDS and cancer viruses in vaccines(http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=13EAAF22CDA367BB3C2F94D2CD90EF7B)
    transcript: http://www.naturalnews.com/033584_dr_maurice_hilleman_sv40.html

    Since the polio vaccine continues to be made on the spleen & kidneys of monkeys there will be a surge in cancers in third world countries in abut 15-20 years. If it takes that long.

    NOTE: If you read Janine Roberts books you would have read her interview with Hilleman and the discussions on SV-40. The top vaccine researcher and scientist in the world respected Roberts and her work so much they gave her free access to government material and gave her interviews for over a decade. Read her book. She names researcher/scientist by their name-no sources close to this or that. Hilleman quote-she used his name. Minor quote-she used his name. Polio vaccine is discussed in great detail.

    Polio virus, or what they call a virus, has mutated. that’s what they do.
    -Mutant Polio Virus Spreads in Nigeria: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mutant-polio-virus-spreads-in-nigeria/
    -Mutated Polio Virus Evades Vaccination: http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/8659/20140821/mutated-polio-virus-evades-vaccination.htm
    -New study shows mutated ‘Polio-like’ virus may be responsible for paralyzing more than 100 children in the past year: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3020462/New-study-shows-mutated-Polio-like-virus-responsible-paralyzing-100-children-past-year.html
    -Mutated virus heightens polio worries: http://www.dawn.com/news/1032836
    -World Health Organization: 2 polio cases found in Ukraine, caused by mutated virus in vaccine: http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/09/02/2-cases-of-polio-found-in-ukraine-caused-by-mutated-virus

    -Polio: Vaccinated British man shed virus for 30 years
    -Two-week-old girl dies after polio vaccine: https://citizentv.co.ke/news/two-year-old-girl-dies-after-polio-vaccine-108331/
    -8-year-old boy dies of rare, vaccine-derived poliovirus in Laos
    -Twin Babies Dead After Receiving Vaccinations
    -78 percent of Pakistani children with polio were given polio vaccines:
    -Polio surge in Nigeria after vaccine virus mutates: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio_surge.html.
    -Researcher Admits Polio Is Now Predominantly Caused By The Vaccine Itself: We’ve almost eradicated polio. Ironically, a big threat now is vaccines.
    -FDA Meeting. Human Tumors for Vaccine Manufacture:

  • guest

    You’ve not address the fact that an isolated Polio Virus has never been photographed in a living cell which is the Scientific Gold Standard.

    Roberts explains that in her books why she was given access. No one can explain it better than her. Read them. Once you do even you will never allow yourself to be injected with a syringe loaded with toxins. Here is what she discovered through her research over thousands of hours of pouring through documents:

    “It was thus that I learnt that our vaccines are a veritable soup, made up not just of viruses that should or should not be there, but also thousands of bits of viruses and of cells, DNA and RNA genetic codes, proteins, enzymes, chemicals and perhaps oncogenes and prions. The vaccine was monitored for the presence of only a very few of these particles and vaccine lots are thrown away only if these are found.

    In other words, the vaccines we give our children are liquids filled with a host of unknown particles, most of which came from the cells of non-humans: from chickens, monkeys, or even from cancer cells. Truly we do not know what we are doing or what are the long-term consequences. All that is known for sure
    is that vaccines are a very cheap form of public medicine often provided by governments to assure the public that they really do care for the safety of our children. I have not mentioned one final addition to the vaccines – the preserving and antibiotic chemicals added to the doses. The manufacturer of a MMR vaccine noted: “The finished product contains the following excipients: sucrose, hydrolyzed gelatin (porcine), sorbitol, monosodium glutamate, sodium phosphate, sodium bicarbonate, potassium phosphate and Medium 199 with Hanks’ Salts, Minimum Essential Medium Eagle (MEM), neomycin, phenol red, hydrochloric acid and sodium hydrox-ide.”[12]

    You want the resources you’ll need to get a copy of the books-far too many to post.

  • transportjohnny

    Lowell, most on here have NO CLUE about immune function and why vitamin and mineral nutrition PLAY A HUGE PART

  • Nikka80

    Quite frankly, I’m not sure what your point is, sir. Are you saying that scarlet fever has disappeared and without a vaccine? It has nothing to do with vaccines. Strep infections certainly haven’t disappeared and Scarlet Fever symptoms are the body’s reaction to toxins produced by a strep infection like step throat, pneumonia or a skin wound. Not everyone reacts but it’s usually seen when diagnosis and antibiotic treatment is delayed as was more common in days past. Most medical offices now have rapid diagnosis lab test kits so cases are quickly identified and antibiotic therapy is initiated in a timely manner. Thus, Scarlet Fever incidence has been reduced by appropriate medical interventions. Only problem is antibiotic resistance emerging with the strep bacteria which results from patient non-compliance in taking the antibiotics. They feel better and do not take the entire bottle of medication. This promotes survival of some of the bacteria with newly induced possible resistance to antibiotics.

  • Although it is from bacteria, and not a virus, scarlet fever was classified as an infectious disease, and, as such, there was a vaccine developed, but not widely used. As for what effects the use of antibiotics had on the massive scarlet fever epidemics 100 years ago, here is an excerpt from the Science Blogs, link provided below: “.. both the incidence of scarlet fever and mortality from the illness started to decline well before the antibiotic era.”

    The graphs are from the U.S.A.

    Scarlet fever–past and present – Aetiology

  • jazzlives62


    It’s well known that vaccines contain some of the ingredients you mention.
    Do you know that a baby at birth is exposed to more antigens at that single point than it will receive in all his vaccinations? The human body has billions of bacteria on it at any given time. and is constantly subjected to environmental antigens.

    Animal parts are not routinely added to vaccines; rather cell lines are cultured from them . These specific cells don’t reproduce and get injected along with a vaccine- they are used as a medium to grow different types of cells. Cell lines can last for decades. Besides, what is the fear about animal cells? Humans have lived off ingesting animal parts since the beginning of time. I would argue that eating a hot dog or a sausage patty would exposure you to more nasty animal cells than a vaccine, if you want to look at it like that.


    Many of the things you mention as additives are innocuous and naturally occurring- sodium bicarbonate, potassium phosphate, and sodium phosphate are found naturally and are not toxic unless delivered in megadoses. Another ingredient mentioned as a “toxin” is formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is naturally produced by the body and is readily excreted. It is not foreign to humans at all- we produce it.



    The minimal amount of exposure of these chemicals in vaccines is minor when compared to what we experience in the natural world.

    And I haven’t gotten an answer as to how the polio virus can cause polio ( documented by the specific polio virus in the diseased individual) if polio is not caused by the polio virus.

  • jazzlives62

    There’s too much here to reply. Your first point about AFP in India: cases have been relatively steady on a global level from 2009-2015, with cases ranging from 90,000 in 2009 to about 99,000 in 2015 with some fluctuations either way in between.


    Why was this rapid increase in AFP not seen in other countries who maintained polio vaccination rates well above 90%? India has indeed eradicated polio as no AFP cases of the 50,000 in the worst year were positive for polio. So if you’re attributing the rise in AFP to the polio vaccine. what specifically caused it, and why such a dramatic increase only in India? One theory is that as the mission to eradicate polio became more intense, so too did the reporting of AFP, as it is the initial screening in determining a polio diagnosis.

    And again, if polio is not caused by the polio virus, what specifically in the vaccine causes the recipients to rarely contract polio?

  • jazzlives62

    Cool. I’m vegetarian. See? we have something in common! I think it’s a shock tactic to say that vaccines contain monkey brains , cow tongue. etc. Cell lines are started from animal cells yes, but cell lines are perpetuated for decades. It’s not as if the drug companies go out and take aborted fetal tissue or animal carcasses and incorporate them into vaccines.

    In addition, although you and I may not like it, man has been ingesting animal parts since the beginning of his existence. Why is it so horrifying if a few animal cells ( and that’s all it is) are used to fight off disease?

    Another scare tactic is the formaldehyde thing. Formaldehyde occurs naturally, is made by the human body and is involved in cell metabolism. and is easily excreted. It is only toxic in very large doses- millions more than a child would be exposed to in vaccines.

    We have billions of bacteria crawling over our bodies at any given time, not to mention viruses and other microorganisms. Through evolution, our body has been improving it’s defense mechanism against these antigens for an eternity.

  • guest

    Another scare tactic is the formaldehyde thing. Formaldehyde occurs naturally,

    Please tell me you know the difference between formaldehyde that occurs naturally and that which is being INJECTED in the body. Formaldehyde is labeled by the FDA as a poison and a carcinogen yet it’s safe to inject into the human body–where’s the logic in that. Also, don’t use the pear analogy. It just makes you look foolish.

    Medical errors in America kill more people than AIDS or drug overdoses. Here’s why. http://www.vox.com/2015/1/29/7878731/medical-errors-statistics

    Medical errors may be third leading cause of death in the U.S.

    How Many Die From Medical Mistakes in U.S. Hospitals?

    Hospital Errors are the Third Leading Cause of Death in U.S., and New Hospital Safety Scores Show Improvements Are Too Slow: http://www.hospitalsafetyscore.org/newsroom/display/hospitalerrors-thirdleading-causeofdeathinus-improvementstooslow

    Washington, D.C., October 23, 2013 – New research estimates up to 440,000 Americans are dying annually from preventable hospital errors. This puts medical errors as the third leading cause of death in the United States,
    underscoring the need for patients to protect themselves and their
    families from harm, and for hospitals to make patient safety a priority.

    Not only is modern medicine making us sicker-it’s killing people by the thousands every year.

  • jazzlives62

    If you take the time to read these, you’ll see the logic. For whatever reason, you folks never want to ignore the single most important element of toxicology: DOSE.




    Here’s a quote from the above to save you from having to read it:

    “Is it safe? The potential for harm depends on the amount. Formaldehyde is always present in the human body as part of our natural metabolic process, but long-term exposure to high amounts can overwhelm our system and be harmful. Fortunately, the amount of formaldehyde found in vaccines is very small, most of it being diluted down to residual amounts during the manufacturing process. In fact, the FDA reports there is 50 to 70 times more formaldehyde present in an average newborn’s body than in a single dose of vaccine. In brief, current science shows formaldehyde in vaccines to be harmless.”




    As to people dying off in droves from errors in medicine, why oh why are living longer that we ever have?? Why oh why is population growth out of control?? Let me guess…… more vitamin c supplements?

  • guest

    Why was this rapid increase in AFP not seen in other countries who maintained polio vaccination rates well above 90%?

    Are you familiar with the criminal element know as THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION? This is the same group that implement the Swine Flu scare on the world without informing the various government s that purchased the H1N1 vaccine that didn’t work that there were several members of the WHO that were financially invested in pharmaceutical companies that manufactured and sold the vaccine. They profited handsomely. The same organization that has a woman who sits on their board which makes decision and recommendation to other countries on the the HPV vaccine and why they need to push it on young girls in third world countries:
    Board Member Of The World Health Organization Is A Large Shareholder In Vaccine Company: http://edgytruth.com/2015/03/09/board-member-of-the-world-health-organization-is-a-large-shareholder-in-csl-vaccine-company/.
    They are the ones who are suppose to collect data. It’s like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.

    Why wasn’t the increase in Autism in African American males reported when it was discovered in 2000? Why hasn’t the world population been told that Merck has been in court for almost 5 years because it’s being sued by researchers that have came forward reveling that the effectiveness of the Mumps vaccine is based on fraudulent data and has been for decades. That in order to achieve it’s effectiveness rate, thus Merck can maintain it’s world wide monopoly on the vaccine, Merck scientist spiked the vaccine with rabbit’s blood. Why hasn’t the world been told that Chatham Health Care also has a lawsuit against Merck for falsifying the data that has caused numerous outbreaks of Mumps in their state. Why hasn’t the public ever been told that Jonas Salk, developer of the Polio Vaccine stated that the sole cause of Polio was the vaccine. Why hasn’t the world been told that Dr. Bernice Eddy, a brilliant scientist discovered that the animals being given the Polio Vaccine developed tumors and she predicted, in front of an audience in NY at a meeting of the American Cancer Society in 1960 there would be an explosion of cancers world wide in 25-30 years. Her observation has come to pass. Why wasn’t the public told that an increase in Leukemia in children in the 1950-60’s was due to the Polio Vaccine?

    Why hasn’t the public been told that Vaccines for decades have been made on tumor cell linings (Fear of the Invisible and The Vaccine Papers) but was given government approval in 2012 to do so legally:
    FDA Meeting. Human Tumors for Vaccine Manufacture: https://www.scribd.com/doc/246682536/FDA-Meeting-Human-Tumors-for-Vaccine-Manufacture#scribd

    So do you really need to ask that question? The massive coverup of vaccine damage and corruption isn’t reported in the US, why would you think other countries would do so-especially if they are benefiting financially from the pharmaceutical companies. Third World countries are testing ground-human laboratories like the HPV vaccine that was tested in India and killed 17 test subjects. Have you read any of that in the literature? Did you read in the MSM that Dr. Julie Gerberding was the head of the CDC and pushed through the HPV vaccine after it was rejected. She left the CDC shortly after she got it approved and was enthroned as Merck Vaccine Division President where she remains.

    Who is the largest purchaser of vaccine in any country? The government. Just like in the US. Everybody makes money. States receive federal funding for the purchase and implementation of vaccine programs, counties, school districts, clinics, hospitals -even veterinarians get federal funding for vaccinating. Who put that into play–Bill Clinton.

    You cannot blog on vaccine issues in sound bites. Every little nuance you learn is important. No country on this planet is going to bite the financial hands that feeds them. Corporations do not reward people/countries for telling the truth.

  • jazzlives62

    If the WHO is a “criminal element” , why did you reference them to corroborate your point about AFP?

  • guest

    Are you seriously using ZIKA-the benign virus? Zika has NOT BEEN ISOLATED in a human cell. If so please provide data. Are you familiar with psy-ops and False Flags? Zika will go the way of Ebola-which also has never been isolated in a cell and photographed according to the pesky Scientific Gold Standard. Every year there is another made up epidemic. Zika will go the ay of all the other. Research Yap Island study 2007 where 74 % of the population has detectable Zika in their system yet no one has been chronically ill and ther are no documented birth defects.

    Quackwatch: a blast from the past which should have been left there. Here is an entire thread devoted to the legal woes of quackwatch: http://bolenreport.com/suing-captain-screwloose-it-has-always-been-an-alter-ego-case-stephen-barrett-and-quackwatch-have-always-been-just-the-figurehead-the-judgment-money-will-be-seized-elsewhere-from/.
    Not worth discussion.

    Can formaldehyde cause cancer?
    Although the short-term health effects of formaldehyde exposure are well known, less is known about its potential long-term health effects. In 1980, laboratory studies showed that exposure to formaldehyde could cause nasal cancer in rats. This finding raised the question of whether formaldehyde exposure could also cause cancer in humans. In 1987, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified formaldehyde as a probable human carcinogen under conditions of unusually high or prolonged exposure (1).Since that time, some studies of humans have suggested that
    formaldehyde exposure is associated with certain types of cancer. The
    International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) classifies
    formaldehyde as a human carcinogen (2).
    In 2011, the National Toxicology Program, an interagency program of the
    Department of Health and Human Services, named formaldehyde as a known
    human carcinogen in its 12th Report on Carcinogens (3).

    “The minimal amount of exposure of these chemicals in vaccines is minor when compared to what we experience in the natural world.”

    Please provide the study that substantiated this statement.

    What causes Polio? The Vaccine. DDT.
    -Pesticides and Polio: A Critique of Scientific Literature: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/west5a.html
    -The Poison Cause of Poliomyelitis And Obstructions To Its Investigation

    Do you know what the following have in common?
    Acute flaccid paralysis (AFP), Transverse Myelitis, Viral or aseptic Meningitis,
    Guillain-Barre syndrome, Chinese Paralytic syndrome, CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME, epidemic cholera, cholera morbus, spinal meningitis, spinal apoplexy, inhibitory palsy, intermittent fever, famine fever, worm fever, bilious remittent fever, ergotism, ME, post-polio syndrome, Synonyms for GBS] and EV-D68.

    The symptomatology is clinically indistinguishable from Polio. There was no Viral Polio until the Polio Vaccine was developed. Now there is a construct that is called a Polio Virus but that has never been isolated and photographed. Endemic Polio has many causes.

  • I didn’t refer to “cow tongue,” and never mentioned formaldehyde (although that should not be injected, either). I did mention that feces was included in the original Salk vaccine, and there were no cell lines for that. I will repeat, Jenner’s injections of cow pus are credited with knocking out those early epidemics, in the ‘official’ paid-for version of history. And that jawbone, colt’s tongue and green rust from a penny concoction was acclaimed for quite some time as being the answer to rabies control in the New York territory.

    Ingesting animals as a food item is different (although not something I’d recommend) from injecting the biological waste products (aka: “cell lines”) combined with toxic chemicals, which bypass all the body’s natural processes and defenses. I also mentioned the foreign RNA and DNA below in another reply. The people fooling around with all these body parts and chemicals think they are so smart, just like Jenner thought he was so smart. They’re really like a bunch of five year olds who have an inflated opinion of their own ‘knowledge’ of things.

    From “Vaccines and Production of Negative Genetic Changes in Humans”:

    “In the October 22, 1967 British Medical Journal, it was brought out by German scientists that multiple sclerosis seemed to be provoked by vaccinations against smallpox, typhoid, tetanus, polio, tuberculosis and diptheria. Even earlier, in 1965, Zintchenko reported 12 cases in which MS became evident after a course of antirabies vaccinations.

    “Remember that millions of people between 1950 and 1970 were injected with polio vaccines containing simian virus 40 (SV-40) transferred from contaminated monkey kidney cells used to culture the vaccine. It is impossible to remove animal viruses from vaccine cultures. You are reminded that SV-40, the 40th virus to be discovered in simian tissue, is a cancer-causing virus.

    “Immunization programs against influenza, measles, mumps and polio are in fact seeding humans with RNA and forming proviruses which become latent for long periods in throughout the body, only to re-awaken later on. Post-polio syndrome is a good example of this problem.

    Other examples may include the so-called mesenchymal and collegen diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and lupus erythmatosis, where antibodies are formed by the immune system against the person’s own tissues – tissues which have been impregnated with foreign genetic material.”

    One thing is clear to me. Some people at the top levels of the involved industries have a sinister agenda. Forcing children to have up to 70 doses of this crap is WAY over the top, and the plan is to start forcing multiple doses on adults, too. They employ a portion of their trillions in hiding information from the public, and dispensing disinformation. They also no doubt paid a tidy sum to manipulate the U.S. government into absolving them of all liability for damages and deaths caused by their products. Instead, the taxpayers, who are also denied due process in court by this new system, get to pay any awards. It’s so crooked, it stinks to the next galaxy.

    I am fine with the bacteria and microorganisms on my body and in the environment. I’m not accepting the perversion of nature created by people.

    There are probably no (maybe one or two) people besides you and me still in here, and I’m tired of chasing you around the mulberry bush, so it’s on to other sites and endeavors.

  • Ok then simply do not admit that it is actually the use and over use of antibiotics that are causing super infections, and just simply blame it all on the patients. Not to say that non completion of antibiotics doesn’t play a role, but I think it is actually a very minor role. Do you worship big pharma and all of their for profit madness in causing more harm than good? Sure sounds like it.

    Toxic and known contaminated vaccines are and have become a large scale health care scourge on humanity, and like no other. Just face it. You simply refuse to see the more harm than good that is done; and in your world no evidence and or proof of any of it exists ever, and never will.

    Here is an article for you. Go ahead and give me you view on that information?

    13 reasons why the CDC is right and you should vaccinate your kids

  • Exactly.

  • guest

    OK. You really are a novice at this. You really are unable (unwilling) to connect the dots. How long have you been trolling? You’ve got about 20 years of research to do to make the connection. Here-this may help:


    CDC, WHO and Big Pharma: A Dangerous Network of Corruption:

    If you have any sort of research skills you should be able to put this together. But, that’s not really what you’re on this site to do is it?

  • jazzlives62

    Can you answer the question?

    If you consider “research” reading an article by someone who states her occupation as “mommy”, I’m afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree on the meaning of the term research ( Not that I have anything against mommies, of course).

    Your posts are riddled with contradictions for which you have no explanation ( the above question being just one) so there’s really no point in continuing this. Peace.

  • guest

    Just like Janine Roberts is not creditable in your opinion because she’s a

    investigative journalist and not a scientist. Right? Obviously you have not read the inf sent because there is a single thread throughout. Because: 1. you are a troll and the more you post it becomes obvious, 2. you are late to the party. This drama has been gong on for over 3 decades and if you think you have the insights and research to put it all together in a year or two-you are mistaken. You chose to not continue because the map I sent you, you can’t put it together. No one else on this board has that problem. You chose not to continue because you cannot substantiate the comments you’ve made. You cannot provide the data requested such as the Gold Standard for Virology-a Polio Virus infecting a cell that has been photographed. Don’t worry, big pharma, the CDC and the FDA don’t have them either. You see little bits & pieces you handler gave you and you think you “know” something. All the questions that you’ve asked on this comment board is in the information I’ve sent you as well as info suki49 sent you but you are unable to see. Mostly because you have not read it all and just the fact that you repeated the question:

    Can you answer the question?

    Clearly demonstrates you haven’t read the info because it’s clearly stated multiple times throughout the information. Knowledge is power and you have neither.

  • guest

    No, we really don’t forget about dosage. I’m not going to take the time to debunk the pharma paid for information you provided. Chops is so far up big pharma’s behind with the prophet Paul Offit at the helm it will never see the light of day. Science Blogs are run by David Gorski-aka Orac. The university he works for, Wayne State has had a contract with AV for years. Also, he just a plain ass–hole that is incapable of a rational cogent conversation:
    All the Science Blogs are financed by a group called Seed Media. Research that puppy and connect those dots. Leads right back to big pharma.
    Two government websites -yea, what would you expect them to say?

    As to people dying off in droves from errors in medicine, why oh why are living longer that we ever have??
    “The questionable contribution of medical measures to the decline of mortality in the United States in the twentieth century“. McKinlay JB, McKinlay SM, Milbank Mem Fund Q Health Soc. 1977 Summer; 55(3): 405-28

    Accomplishments in Child Nutrition during the 20th Century. Infant
    Mortality in the 20th Century, Dramatic but Uneven Progress” Myron E. Wegman School of Public Health, University of Michigan: J. Nutr. 131: 401S–408S, 2001

    Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries Of Official Statistics

    In terms of dosage, please provide studies from the EPA that states specifically what dosage of Thimerosal, Aluminum or Formaldehyde is safe to inject into a human body, specifically an infant or child.

    Here’s something to think about, Vaccine Vials. Because they contain trace amounts of thimerosal (by the CDC’s own admission) when empty it cannot not be discarded in a trash can. EPA states that the vials must be disposed of according to that particular’s state’s HAZARDOUS WASTE DISPOSAL PROTOCOL. Now think about this. Every vaccine has trace amounts of mercury because it is one of the ways big pharma attempts to purify them because they are made of such crude and filthy products. Vaccine development hasn’t moved much past the 1950’s as admitted by Dr. Phillip Minor, UK vaccine expert.

    Given you think that Vaccines are all jake, would you be willing to submit yourself to the same vaccine schedule that a child is abused with? Since you are an adult you’ll have to catch up on your “dosage”. Are you willing to take at one sitting 69 doses of 16 vaccines-which is what an 18 years old would receive if they submitted to the schedule. Oh, you will probably need to submit to the Adult Vaccine schedule the CDC has developed and is trying to make mandatory. Here it is: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/adult.html.

    Since you are so willing to support children being vaccinated are you willing to submit to the vaccine schedule as laid out by the CDC?

  • jazzlives62

    It’s pointless to argue because we look at things from opposite ends. My children and my entire extended family have all been vaccinated. Ages range from toddler to mid-twenties. No autism or chronic disease anywhere. I’d rather talk in reality than hypotheticals. My siblings and me all received the recommended series, are in our 50s and all relatively healthy.

    I encourage you to look at death certificates from 100 years ago. The things that used to kill our children happen with much less frequency today. That’s enough argument for me.

  • guest

    In your 50′ huh? Are you aware of the vaccination schedule back in the day? Probably not or you would not have made such an uninformed comment that suppose to confirm your position.

    Vaccination Schedule:
    Polio ? Depending on the state you lived in.
    -some children got 4 shots before the age of 2. Never more that 1 per visit. This was the recommended CDC schedule until 1980.

    DTP (2, 4, 6, 18 months & 5 years)
    Polio (2, 4 & 6 months)
    -children got 8 shots before the age of 2, never more than 2 shots per visit.

    Flu (Prenatal)
    HepB (birth)
    Dtap (2 months)
    Polio (2 months)
    Hib (2 months)
    Pneu (2 months)
    Rotavirus (2 months)
    HepB (2 months)
    Dtap (6 months)
    Polio (6 months)
    Pneu (4 months)

    Rotavirus (6 months)
    Flu (6 months)
    Flu (7months)

    Pneu (12 months)
    MMR (12 months)
    Varicella (15 months)
    Hib (18 months)
    HepA (18 months)
    Flu (18 months)
    Flu (2.5 years)
    Dtap (4-6 years)
    MMR (4-6 years)
    Varicela (4-6 years)
    Flu (4-6 years)
    -that amounts to 49 doses of 14 vaccines by the age of 6 with as many as 9 shots in a single visit. Factor in HPV and meningitis that makes it 69 doses of 16 vaccines doses before the age of 18.

    So if you and yours are in your 50’s as you claim, that means YOU DID NOT RECEIVE THE the barrage of vaccines with the accomplishing adjuvant as children receive today when you and yours were children.

    If you want to make your point about You and Yours being vaccinated and you guys are just fine, submit to the CDCs recommended childhood vaccination schedule today.

    As you can see from the difference in the schedules your point is moot.

  • Chuck Wood

    All women must take 10,000iu Vitamin D3 per day before conceiving, while pregnant and while breast feeding to ensure the infant has adequate glutathione levels which will provide them with the ability to detox anything foreign contained in a vaccination. Also do not jack your kid up on Tylenol before and after the shots as most wimpy parents enjoy doing. This is not liver friendly.

    Why do you think the Somali population in Minnesota is seeing autistic children? Because they moved from extreme sunlight arid desert/tropical environment to freakin Minnesota and their D3 levels tanked.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Can anyone point out which of the 22 studies contains the strongest statistical link between vaccines and autism? Thanks.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    No linkage

  • EllyW

    Lowell Hubbs, thank you for your posts. You’ve provided great information and links here! Perhaps I just overlooked it, but I didn’t see Dr. Russell Blaylock’s excellent research review article on your list — “The Danger of Excessive Vaccination During Brain Development.” This article reviews neuroscience research that supports the vaccination-autism link.

  • Thank you. Yes, Dr Blaylock has some of the best physiologically based, and explained information out there.

    The Danger of Excessive Vaccination During Brain Development

    Dr. Russell Blaylock

    How Vaccines Harm Child Brain Development – Dr Russell Blaylock

    Session 22, The Vaccine Safety Conference: Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD, CCN

  • shay simmons

    Would that be the same Russell Blaylock who was forced to refund $5,3 million to customers he’d lied to about his tanning beds?