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Epic Response to Jennifer Hibben-White’s Rant About Unvaccinated Children

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This open letter, written by Stephanie M. Curry, is a response to Jennifer Hibben-White’s rant about unvaccinated children.

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My open letter to Jennifer Hibben-White:

I feel your concern that your son may have been exposed to measles. However, I am angry! I’m angry as hell that you blame the unvaccinated people for this exposure.

Your words: “I won’t get angry at or blame the person in the waiting room. I would have likely done the same thing…you get sick, you go to the doctor. I have no idea what their story is and I will never know.”

My response: I’d like to help you out here. The person who exposed your son is an infected male under 30 who has been fully vaccinated, according to the Toronto Star News.

Your words: “If you have chosen to not vaccinate yourself or your child, I blame you.”

My response: Sounds a little irrational to me, since your son was exposed by someone vaccinated. Since you easily give advice to others, I’d like to give you some advice — go get some counseling.

And one more bit of advice: next time you would like to share your “poor me” story, you might want to disclose that your grandfather, Alan Hibben, is a principal stockholder within the big pharmaceutical industry along with his buddy Edward Stow, who so conveniently wanted to share your story. Picture provided below.

hibben

Yes, most people are too stupid to link the two, but we non-vaxxers know how to smell a rat when we see one. We know how to dig deep and uncover the lies you tell.

I blame people like you (drug pushers) for the thousands of babies and injured children who have received their vaccines on schedule because they believed they were doing the right thing. I’m angry as hell! I BLAME YOU!

You sob about having a week from hell? Well let me tell you something, that’s nothing compared to a lifetime of damage caused by a vaccine. Have you tried for once in your life to talk to someone on the other side of the spectrum? It’s doubtful given your “I’m so important, look at me” attitude. You make me sick!

Your words: “You have stood on the shoulders of our collective protection for too long. From that high height, we have given you the PRIVILEGE of our protection, for free.”

MY RESPONSE: I guess you weren’t so protected in that doctor’s office with the 30 year old VACCINATED gentlemen who exposed your son to measles. Why again did he have the measles? Oh yes, due to vaccine failure!

 

 

Your words: “Wherein I don’t know if my BABY will develop something that has DEATH as a potential outcome.”

MY RESPONSE: Have you not read the vaccine inserts, Jennifer Hibben-White? Death is also a possible side effect from the MMR vaccine as well as encephalitis (acute inflammation of the brain resulting either from a viral infection or when the body’s own immune system mistakenly attacks brain tissue), encephalopathy (brain disease, damage, or malfunction). Encephalopathy can present a very broad spectrum of symptoms that range from mild, such as some memory loss or subtle personality changes, to severe, such as dementia, seizures, coma, or death. In general, encephalopathy is manifested by an altered mental state that is sometimes accompanied by physical manifestations (for example, poor coordination of limb movements).

http://www.medicinenet.com/encephalopathy/article.htm…

Other adverse reactions from Merck’s MMR vaccine, as described in the vaccine insert: Encephalitis; encephalopathy; measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE), subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE); Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS); acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM); transverse myelitis; febrile convulsions; afebrile convulsions or seizures; ataxia; polyneuritis; polyneuropathy; ocular palsies; paresthesia.

YES, THAT’S RIGHT. Right from the vaccine insert itself (linked below):
http://www.merck.com/…/…/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf

So, let me get this straight, you want me and all the other people who have read this insert to go ahead and risk the health of our children for the sake of your son getting measles? That is the most selfish thing I have ever heard! Your logic makes no sense. I’m sure your claim will be that those reactions are very rare. The fact is they are NOT rare. Our government (tax payers) has paid out billions of dollars to vaccine injured people. Why? Because the pharmaceutical companies are no longer held accountable for vaccine injuries. They can now make all the vaccines they want, add them to the CDC recommended schedule, and there is not a thing you can do about it if you are harmed!
http://corporationsandhealth.org/…/the-supreme-court-prote…/

Why would a law of this kind be needed if vaccines are so safe and effective?

AND let’s not forget the lawsuit against MERCK for falsifying data to make the MMR vaccine seem safer and more effective than it actually is.
http://www.forbes.com/…/merck-whistleblower-suit-a-boon-to…/

Hence the measles infected gent in the waiting room. These are the people you trust!
http://www.reuters.com/…/us-merck-fosamax-idUSBRE91416H2013…

If you choose to be a fool and trust in that type of deceit, go for it, but I WILL NEVER jeopardize my child’s safety to those criminals!

Your words: “You think you are protecting them from autism? You aren’t. There is no, none, nada, nothing in science that proves this. If you want to use google instead of science to “prove me wrong” then I am happy to call you an imbecile as well as misinformed.”

MY RESPONSE: They have not proven otherwise. As a matter of fact, more and more scientists are coming forward admitting there is indeed a link. Why does GlaxoSmithKline admit autism as a side effect of vaccines?
https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/…/vaccin-dc3a9c…

Of course there’s also the fact that an Italian Court recently ruled the MMR vaccine caused autism in a now 9 year old boy, who progressively regressed into autism after his MMR shot at 15 months, and his family was awarded compensation of $220,000 yearly for 15 years for his vaccine-induced autism and brain damage. There are also reportedly about 100 similar ongoing cases in the Italy Court System as we speak. Links below:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-media-blackout-ita…/5430940
http://www.infowars.com/u-s-media-blackout-italian-courts-…/
http://www.collective-evolution.com/…/italian-court-rules-…/
http://articles.mercola.com/…/mmr-vaccine-caused-autism.aspx

So, Jennifer, your nada, nothing, connecting autism and vaccines in science is bogus and ignorant.

Your words: “You think you are protecting them through extracts and homeopathy and positive thoughts and Laws of Attraction and dancing by candlelight on a full moon? You aren’t. I PROTECT YOUR CHILD. We protect your child. By being concerned world citizens who care about ourselves, our fellow man, and our most vulnerable. So we vaccinate ourselves and our children.”

MY RESPONSE: Pumping a child full of 40+ doses of vaccines by the age of six is not protection, it’s poisoning. If it were up to me, all the culprits would be thrown in jail. As for the stupid people like you, who try to push drugs on healthy children, it wouldn’t hurt to lock you up too! It may sound a bit extreme, but that’s how you fools sound. I thought I’d give you a little taste of your own medicine. Health does not come in vials of toxins, and it never will.

Your words: “You think you are protecting them by letting them eat their shovel full of dirt and reducing antibiotics and eating organic? You aren’t. As an unvaccinated person you are only protected by our good graces. WE LET YOU BE SO PRIVILEGED thanks to our willingness to vaccinate ourselves and our children.”

MY RESPONSE: What you are saying is that organic food is not healthy? It’s really difficult for me to respond to such ignorance. Why would anyone shovel dirt into a child’s mouth? Again, the bullshit is spilling out of your mouth. Organics, on the other hand, is something we try to practice in our home, as there is no proof that GMOs are safe. Long term testing should be done. Just as they should be done on giving a child several vaccines at once, vaccinating pregnant women, and vaccinating babies at birth.

You words: “You know what vaccines protect your children from? Pain. Suffering. Irreparable harm. Death.”

MY RESPONSE: I find it disgusting that people like you take no consideration for people who have been injured by vaccines. Vaccines cause the very same things you speak of, and that’s a fact. Just go to the VAERS site or look at vaccine inserts.

http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

Your words: “And you would be the first to line up if you had an inkling of what the death of a child feels like. You would be crawling through the streets on your hands and knees, begging, BEGGING to get that vaccine into your precious babies because that is what I would have done, if I could, to save my daughter.”

MY RESPONSE: I would NEVER beg for any vaccine on the market. You’ve got a lot of balls to suggest otherwise. I have a hard time feeling sympathy for someone who is only one sided and uses lie after lie and a hidden agenda when it comes to the safety of millions of people.

Your words: “The fact is, there was no vaccine for her. Not for her illness. And she died. She died at age five and a half, and she is gone.”

MY RESPONSE: I wish this kind of pain on no parent, but I am not sure how this has anything to do with vaccines. It would be like me saying my child drowned, and now you need to go get a truck load of vaccines because of it. It makes no sense. You want sympathy for yourself, yet you give none to those who have been vaccine injured. Think of all the people who may have run out to get vaccinated after reading your false story and those that may now be injured.

Your words: “And I watch these arguments trotted out on Facebook and Twitter citing false science and long discredited “studies” that just won’t stop and Jenny McCarthy quotes and “it’s MY choice” to not vaccinate…and I think…what would you have done if your child lay dying? Would you give them a scientifically proven, safe and effective vaccine and risk the minuscule likelihood of a side effect? Or would you let them go, knowing that at least they won’t develop autism (which they wouldn’t even develop anyway because SCIENCE)?

MY RESPONSE: Most of you pro vaccine like to throw around Jenny McCarthy. I had no idea who she even was until one of you made this claim. I find it offensive and pathetic that you think people who don’t vaccinate would listen to some superstar over science. The science is there, and even Big Pharma admits it. Why do you want to ignore what is blatantly stated right in the vaccine inserts? Again, your child didn’t die from not being vaccinated, so there is no comparison.

Your words: “And don’t you DARE tell me that you wouldn’t vaccinate them then. Don’t you dare. You have no idea what it feels like to go through what we went through.”

My response: I dare! I would NOT vaccinate my child because he is drowning. I know my statement may sound irrational to you but it’s basically your own statement. It’s irrational.

Your words: “ So, look at Griffin. Tell me why he gets to bear the brunt of your stupidity and reckless abuse of our protection? Tell me.”

My response: YOU are the stupid one here thinking that your child is more important than mine. Actually, calling you stupid is putting it mildly! I will not endanger my child because you think a vaccine will protect yours. It’s obvious it won’t. Look at the VACCINATED man who may have infected your child!

Your words: “Seven more days until I know that my baby is safe. Seven more days.
How is your week going, anti-vaxxers?”

My response: You should probably just stay home FOREVER because your son may catch something that may have been prevented had you not left the house.

And by the way, my week is going amazing!

Jeffry John Aufderheide
 

Jeffry John Aufderheide is the father of a child injured as a result of vaccination. As editor of VacTruth.com, he promotes well-educated health professionals, informed consent, and full disclosure and accountability of adverse reactions to vaccines.

  • Angelica

    What a great read.Finally someone that does not hold back on what needs to be said, with justifiable anger. Thank you for such a great ,great response to a fool.

  • Carol Marino

    She needed to be put into her arrogant privilege place. I smell a lackey paid government troll in Jennifer White. She knows what she is doing and I am sure that her grandfather put her up to this. Imagine selling your soul to the DEVIL! Does she, Jennifer, really believe that her LIES are semi-believable? TROLLS like her only have to grunt and people stand up and listen.

  • Cognitive Dissonance

    Now I want to see every media outlet that posted this propaganda garbage post a public retraction otherwise they all get named in a lawsuit for reporting fraudulent stories.

  • DadsGreenLife

    There is one small error in the story. Alan Hibben is Griffen’s grandfather and Jennifer’s father, not Jennifer’s grandfather as mentioned above.

  • Tamster

    BRAVO<,BRAVO, BRAVO Stephanie and Thank you from a mother who hasn't vaccinated and believes in Pro Choice.

  • Tamster

    I also think this women should be charged with a hate crime.

  • Tamster

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhI37jATtFQ&feature=youtu.be Where is your big mouth now Jennifer? I will stop now!

  • Sheryl

    Oh my gosh, thank you so much for this! My son had a severe allergic reaction, and I have been terrified to say anything to anyone with all this hate being thrown at “anti-backers”. This makes me feel so much stronger.

  • against vaccs

    I am in aboslute agreement. bravo to this person for setting the record straight. Unfortunately pro-vaccers are totally sucked in my Pharma!! I feel sorry for their children.

  • Crystal Downing
  • Lowell Hubbs

    Vactruth keeps getting stronger, with the truth, and in each article. Not liking that much, are you, you pharma shills? Off the subject a bit, I would like to include this.

    A WAKE UP CALL, to vaccinate? THIS IS HOW INTENTIONALLY IGNORANT AND DECEIVING IN THEIR ASSUMED official capacity, THESE brainwashed and continued and Big Pharma promoting STOOGES REALLY ARE… and they are ACTIVELY REMAIN!!! THE MMR VACCINE caused THIS, FOR THIS CHILD, AND NOT, THE WILD MEASLES PATHOGEN. These beyond twisted in the mind, and vaccine brain washed SHILLS, will obviously continue to use any activity at all going on, to promote more, and more false vaccine fear mongering propaganda. And they will never ever stop and they will in their …brainwashed and trance like cult state of being; they will continue to refuse to speak a word about nor of and about the hazards, and nor the negative side of vaccines …ever. Falsely praised, again and again… falsely praising and worshiped at their alter of the big pharmaekia vaccine cult shrine, and to their falsely believed savior, the toxic and contaminated, falsely believed savior vaccines …(and in their mislead minds), the known man made vaccine savior, holy water.

    Genotype Testing Showed Baltimore Baby’s Symptoms Were A Reaction To The MMR, Health Officials Relieved

    Baltimore, Maryland, is still officially free of the wild-type measles after the genotype testing from the measles virus revealed that the 12-month-old baby who ended up in the ER on January 21 with measles-like symptoms was simply experiencing a reaction to her MMR vaccine. The baby in Baltimore had been vaccinated against measles, mumps, and rubella at the beginning of the month, according to the health department press release available for download on the city’s website.

    The baby was treated at MedStar Good Samaritan Hospital and Johns Hopkins Hospital. While at John Hopkins, she tested positive for the measles virus. From there, a sample was sent to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta for genotype testing. The Baltimore City Health Department teamed up with the Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, the Center for Disease Control, and the Baltimore hospitals to determine whether the girl was just having a reaction to her MMR, or if the population of Baltimore was facing a measles outbreak for the first time in a decade, according to the Baltimore Sun.

    As the Inquisitr reported earlier, health officials did suspect that the baby was suffering from a reaction from her MMR because she had no connections to the measles cases that began in California, didn’t travel, and hadn’t been exposed to anyone who had been recently ill. Still, out of an abundance of caution, health officials acted swiftly to trace contacts and obtain further laboratory testing from the CDC in Atlanta after the initial measles test showed the girl was positive for the measles virus.

    “When we investigated the case, we were fairly certain that this was a false alarm,” Baltimore City Health Commissioner Dr. Leana Wen explained of the MMR reaction. “However, given that measles is one of the most contagious diseases in the world, and given the outbreak going on around the country, we took every precaution in case this child turned out to have measles. Our health department’s epidemiologists and doctors worked around the clock to perform contact tracing to safeguard the public.”

    According to the Baltimore Sun, though the city has a vaccination rate among children of 99 percent, Wen urged Baltimore residents to consider the situation a wake-up call.

    “This should be a wake-up call, however, for any parents or caregivers who have not had their children immunized. Getting children vaccinated against all types of preventable diseases protects not only that child, but everyone around them.”

    Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1801210/genotype-baltimore-mmr/

    Vaccine Giant Merck Faces Class Action Lawsuits, thanks to CDC & Former Employee Whistleblowers
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!vaccine-giant-merck-faces-class-action-l/c1tb0

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

    The Drug Story

    “The truth about cures without drugs is suppressed, unless it suits the purpose of the censor to garble it. Whether these cures are effected by chiropractors, Naturopaths, Naprapaths, Osteopaths, Faith Healers, Spiritualists, Herbalists, Christian Scientists, or MDs who use the brains they have, you never read about it in the big newspapers.” …Morris A. Bealle

    A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

  • Chris S

    Brilliant….simply Brilliant!

  • Lacey Loves Liberty

    This is so awesome it hurts. Hurray for the truth!

  • Mag

    Sorry, the first thing that came to my mind about her situation, when I read the original rant, Is (Whites) her 5 year old daughter passing away. Is the vaccines you need to get before kindergarten MMR etc.. I dont believe she died of some other ailment, rare blood disorder, especially now that you connect the dots. Sad, I wonder if she volunteered her daughter for more vaccines, under the grandparents direction. Smh! Sorry for her loss. She really needs to get her head out of the clouds. Not funny when you trust older, wiser, family members to guide you, and its an epic fail. I pity her. Ignorance is deadly. She doesnt have a clue. So sad.

  • Kelly

    This is amazing. What a takedown! But but Jennifer Hibben White is an old girl from Havergal!

  • tz1

    It is harder to get MRSA outside of a hospital. The last place I would take a newborn is into a doctor’s office. There are sick (as in infectious) people there. A scale can be had on Amazon, probably more accurate and less money than the visit.

    Measles? How about the person sneezing the common cold virus? Or the person with the flu? Pneumonia, viral and/or bacterial? Chicken Pox. XDR Tuberculosis. Would you throw your child into a septic tank? There are fewer risks of infection there than in medical venues where sick people go. DUH!

  • Nathalie

    Love this ! :) That story is so ridiculous ! How could that man infect them when he was only diagnosed on Feb. 9th ? Measles is only contagious 4 days before, and 4 days after the rash appears. There is no way he was contagious on Jan. 27th ! Public Health confirmed that he was only diagnosed on Feb. 9th, 13 days after her appt. It’s not hard to see that this does not add up. I think Jennifer Hibben-White needs to spend more time researching these diseases she is so scared of, and less time pushing vaccines. If she was truly informed and educated as she tries to make us all believe she is, then she would have known that her baby was never at risk. Public Health would not wait 13 days to contact you if you were truly at risk ! Give me a break ! They already had 5 cases in the area and were on high alert. It would not take them over a week to confirm that this man had measles. Come on ! Use your brain people.

  • Cognitive Dissonance

    The vaccination propagandists keep telling us that Jenny McCarthy is anti-vaccine, which could not be further from the truth. Whenever I hear McCarthy’s name, I know that person has fallen for a hoax and has done zero research. McCarthy in her own words says she supports vaccines http://youtu.be/btzhRSK_TxA

  • LBR

    I commend you for writing this fantastic rebuttal and thank you from the bottom of my heart.

  • guest

    Daily Mail, ran this story and people were just outraged until this information came to light. Now, there comment section is closed. I always say, exposure is what they fear.

    Has anyone heard that the reason so many Democratics are supporting vaccine mandates in their states is big pharma has told them if they push their agenda they will finance their 2016 campaigns? This would explain a lot because with the number of congresspeople who don’t vaccinate: I can’t imagine the Senate being any different.

    Less than 30% of Congress Admits to Vaccinating Their OWN KIDS!!!
    http://vaxtruth.org/members-discussion-board/

  • RachelD

    This is poorly written bullshit.

  • ivonne

    Awesome post. Thank you for calling out the astroturfer with all of her lies and connections to big pharma. Well done, I applaud you and will be sharing.

  • Jj

    There is a time and place for homeopathic medicine and helping yourself and your children I completely agree! The less drugs you give or take the better BUT if you ask any true homeopathic doctor they will tell you there is also a time for the hospital and pharmaceutical medicine that will save your life or the life of a very sick child!!! There’s no homeopathic drugs out there to save anyone from measles, polio or any other terrible decease! Pharmaceutical companies have a big part in helping save lives and helping people with lifetime diseases such as diabetes and asthma!… My son for instance wasn’t gonna be helped with cold air and or lemon juice when it came to a bad case of croup the other day nope! The ER and a Steroid helped him live and I’m sure that steroid has risks just like his vaccines but that’s a choice people have to make! Just saying when an unvaccinated anyone gets so sick that nothing els with help but going to the hospital and being given a drug that may cause terrible side effects what are you gonna choose to dye or to take the chance that drug that pharmaceutical company made and might save you or your child?? I’m pro vaccine but if you choose to not vaccinate your child because of the risks that’s your choice but I don’t think we need to bash pharmaceutical companies regardless if they may make to much money the bottom line is they do help save people. This lady with her baby had a freedom of speech publicity stunt or not she’s not the first one to rant either way!

  • guest

    Your rant makes no sense because you’re a troll. You guys are all following the same script lately. Have you ever seen a vaccine injured child? Have you ever seen a person who has been damaged by a prescription drug? If you have you would not be making such an idiotic comment. Witnessing either of those event cuts to the heart and soul of a person. It leaves an imprint on your being that never goes away. Don’t insult everyone on this board with your nonsense. Do us all a favor and crawl back under your rock.

  • guest

    Whoever said bullshit isn’t true? This woman’s lie was so deceptive that other pro-vac comment boards on the net shut down their comment sections. You’re a troll also.

  • Jj

    Guest have you ever seen people die from all the above regardless of being vaccinated or not! It’s a choice clearly stated in my msg! All your name calling just makes it easier for me to see the facts and not some angry person like you try to tell me what causes what. There are causes for everything and there are cobsequesnses for everything we put into our bodies! Not everything helps but some things do!!!! I see both sides! U obviously don’t understand my msg! Good day to you!

  • guest

    Please provide data that proves vaccines work, are effective & are safe. Also provided data that substantiates that the reduction of disease in any part of the world can be attributed to inoculation of its population.

    There have been 9 deaths from measles since the year 2000. There have been 108 deaths from the MMR in the last 10 years- CDC’s National Vital Statics Reports & Medalerts.org.

    Measles deaths had abated 98% before the first Measles vaccine in 1963. This is also documented in the CDC’s NVSR database. There are NO studies that confirm or substantiates that the Measles vaccine has contributed to the abatement of measles deaths in the US or any other country. There are no documentation that the measles vaccine prevents outbreaks. In fact there are hundreds of studies that confirm that the MMR and other vaccines have contributed to the rise in Autism and other chronic illnesses in children.

    Over 50% of children have a chronic condition and 1 in 6 have a neurodevelomental disorder (aka vaccine caused brain injury). Autism and autoimmune disorders are skyrocketing. Injecting aluminum, mercury, aborted fetal tissue, formaldehyde, MSG, diseased monkey kidney, etc. does not bring health.

    CONCLUSIONS: Developmental disabilities are common and were reported in ∼1 in 6 children in the United States in 2006–2008. The number of children with select developmental disabilities (autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and other developmental delays) has increased, requiring more health and education services. Additional study of the influence of risk-factor shifts, changes in acceptance, and benefits of early services is needed.

    Trends in the Prevalence of Developmental Disabilities in US Children, 1997–2008
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/127/6/1034.abstract

    These number are probably higher now.

    Half of All Children Will Be Autistic by 2025, Warns Senior Research Scientist at MI: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/mit-researcher-glyphosate-herbicide-will-cause-half-of-all-children-to-have-autism-by-2025/

  • Savanah

    Her daughter died of blood poisoning.

  • Magnus

    You claim that the GlaxoSmithKline report admits that their vaccine can cause autism. This is not true.

    Autism is mentioned as an observed adverse event, however it is important to look up what the report means by this.

    What the report calls Adverse Events (AE) is anything detrimental observed in the study participants during the course of the study.
    Anything.

    It then classifies them as listed or unlisted depending on whether they appear in the Reference Safety Information (RSI). It then classifies individual cases as listed if all the adverse events involved appear in the RSI, otherwise it is classified as unlisted.

    It then classifies the AE as attributable or not, depending on whether the investigator or the company think it probable that the vaccine has a causal link with the AE

    If you word-search autism in the report you find that all cases mentioned are classified as unlisted and not attributable.

    You can say whatever you want about the honesty of the studies, the investigator, or the company. What you cannot honestly claim is that the company admits that autism can be caused by their vaccine. They simply don’t.

    This seems to be a persistent problem among Anti-Vaxxers. You don’t read your sources properly. This happens every time I check a credible source in an Anti-Vaxx article. They have always been misrepresented. I’m not accusing you of being malicious, merely not diligent enough. Sources need to be read carefully, especially technical documents like this. You must be clear on the definitions used in the document. If they are not specified you have to look up standard industry definitions, or contact someone who knows them.
    You are not doing your cause any favours by shoddy work like this. If you want to be taken seriously you have to do your research properly.

  • Himmicane Ike Survivor TX

    If a person is ill, isolation and sanitation is the answer, not vaccination. Vaccinations for the most part are junk science and do not prevent illness. Just read the inserts from the drug companies. I think the question to ask these vaccine fanatics is this: Would you EAT or DRINK aluminum, formaldehyde, animal pus, disease cultivated in a lab, mercury, etc. Would you allow your kids or loved ones to EAT or DRINK toxins like that? No? Then why in the world would you allow it to be injected into yours or a loved one’s blood stream?

  • Her daddy, Alan Hibben, is the principal stockholder for Chorus Pharma, Inc. who serves the vaccine market. 3:10 http://youtu.be/qhI37jATtFQ

  • Jennifer R.

    I would wonder if the five year old died of a hospital acquired infection? Misplaced anger, much?

  • AutismDad

    No one is more shoddy and pathalogical liars than caccine makers. All their observations and definitions are orchastrated and thought out. Claiming autism isn’t attributable….no kidding, they have always denied it to save their cash cow.

  • AutismDad

    Disbetes and asthma, both linked to vaccines.

  • AutismDad

    Wakefield too. Every time there’s a pro-vac story it spews all the twisted lies of Brian Deer

  • oldwoman

    Good for you, Ms. Curry. It’s way past time to stop letting these psy-ops run unopposed.

  • Helen

    @ DJ: Try not to lump all “pharmaceuticals” into the same category. Great! You son was helped by steroid meds. Someone observed their son rapidly declining into autism when they where shot up with vaccines as a healthy toddler. That was their experience. In fact, I would wonder if that was your experience, if you’d be so insistent on confusing the argument.

  • Virstyne Henry

    Pretty much like your comment.

  • guest

    CDC Chief Admits that Vaccines Trigger Autism
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-nkD5LSIg

    Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information
    http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/2.9.pdf (entire transcript)

    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40-41: “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays, which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders.”

    Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: “We have asked you to keep this information confidential. We do have a plan for discussing these data at the upcoming meeting of the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices on June 21 and June 22. At that time CDC plans to make a public release of this information so I think it would serve all of our interests best if we could continue to consider these data. The ACIP work group will be considering also. If we could consider these data in a certain protected environment. So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information.”

    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 165: “Personally,I have three hypotheses. My first hypothesis is it is parental bias. The children that are more likely to be vaccinated are more likely to be picked and diagnosed. Second hypothesis, I don’t know. There is a bias that I have not recognized, and nobody has yet told me about it. Third hypothesis. It’s true, it’s Thimerosal. Those are my hypotheses.”

    Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: “This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available. I do not believe the diagnoses justifies compensation in the Vaccine Compensation Program at this point. I deal with causality, it seems pretty clear to me that the data are not sufficient one way or the other. My gut feeling? It worries me enough. Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out of an eight o’clock for an emergency call and my daughter-in-law delivered her son by C-section. Our first male in the line of the next generation, and I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on. It will probably take a long time. In the meantime, and I know there are probably implications for this internationally, but in the meantime I think I want that grandson to only be given Thimerosal-free vaccines.”

    Dr. Weil of the AAP, pg. 207: “The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant. The positive relationships are those that one might expect from the Faroe Islands studies. They are also related to those data we do have on experimental animal data and similar to the neurodevelopmental tox data on other substances, so that I think you can’t accept that this is out of the ordinary. It isn’t out of the ordinary.”

    Congressman Dave Weldon (also an M.D.) – Letter to
    CDC Regarding Major Issues With Mercury Study
    (i.e., manipulation of data, need for independent study, etc.)
    http://www.autismhelpforyou.com/EXPERT%20PAPER%20-%20Weldon%20To%20CDC%20-%20Internet%20File.pdf

  • guest

    My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since
    1998. I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant
    information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics.
    The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the
    MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism.
    Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data
    were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not
    followed.

    My concern has been the decision to omit relevant findings in a
    particular study for a particular sub­ group for a particular vaccine.
    There have always been recognized risks for vaccination and I believe it
    is the responsibility of the CDC to properly convey the risks
    associated with receipt of those vaccines.

    I have had many discussions with Dr. Brian Hooker over the last 10
    months regarding studies the CDC has carried out regarding vaccines and neurodevelopmental outcomes including autism spectrum disorders. I
    share his belief that CDC decision-making and analyses should be
    transparent. I was not, however, aware that he was recording any of our
    conversations, nor was I given any choice regarding whether my name
    would be made public or my voice would be put on the Internet.

    http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

    February 2nd, 2004 letter to Dr. Julie Gerberding:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/images/CDC-Gerberding-warning-vaccines-autism.JPG

    October 18, 2002 letter to Melinda Wharton, Coleen Boyle and others,
    where William Thompson announces he is hiring his own lawyer and implies a CDC cover-up of a D.O.J. investigation: http://www.naturalnews.com/images/CDC-DOJ-Investigation-MMR-Vaccine-Autism-NN-Watermark.jpg

  • guest

    Frank B. Engley, Jr., PhD – A Pioneer in the research of Thimerosal Efficacy and Toxicity:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR1sY5jd8jI

    -Thimerosal Exposure and the Role of Sulfation Chemistry and Thiol Availability in Autism. Int. J. Environ. Res. Public Health 2013, 10, 3771-3800
    Kern, J.K.; Haley, B.E.; Geier, D.A.; Sykes, L.K.; King, P.G.; Geier, M.R.

    -B-Lymphocytes from a Population of Children with Autism Spectrum
    Disorder and Their Unaffected Siblings Exhibit Hypersensitivity to
    Thimerosal, published in the Journal of Toxicology.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/

    -SCIENCE: 97 Independent, Peer review studies & research linking Autism and Vaccines: http://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/86-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link

    -30 SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT DEMONSTRATE VACCINES CAN
    CAUSE AUTISM
    http://www.whale.to/v/30_scientific_studies.html

    -How Mercury Destroys the Brain – University of Calgary
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtFsy0rQsak
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73XyJq9Z3-k
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipi3OneIw0A

  • Rileysmom1204

    Jennifer HIBBEN (because strangely, I’ve noticed she isn’t using her full name now) White can come spend a week in our house with my VACCINATED severely autistic, vaccine injured child and just to be WITNESS to the PAIN he endures every single day.
    Any time you feel froggy Jennifer, pop on over. I’ll even put coffee on for you sweet cheeks.

  • Kristin

    While I disagree with and could disprove each of your arguments (with this amazing thing called science), I’m much more appalled by your complete lack of compassion and total disrespect for a grieving parent. Mrs. Hibben-White is not threatening to jab a needle in your baby’s arm. She is terrified of losing another child and hoping to protect other children by giving people a different perspective. You have the freedom to decide whether or not you vaccinate; she is angry because that freedom was taken away before her son was old enough to be vaccinated. I don’t understand the burning desire to force other parents to abandon modern medicine. You made it clear that you do not think anyone else’s child is more important than yours “YOU are the stupid one here thinking that your child is more important than mine” so why do you care if anyone else injects their child with “poison” and their child develops autism (apparently you’d rather have a dead child than an autistic one?).

    I sincerely hope that Mrs. Hibben-White does not read your post. My goal is not to offend you or change your mind, but for you to take a moment and think about how you are treating another human being. There is no need for so much hatred and hostility towards a woman who is going through an extremely sensitive situation. A “poisonous” vaccine would be less detrimental to your child than the poisonous hostility that you are surrounding them with. At the end of the day, is broadcasting your opinion really worth it? “It’s doubtful given your “I’m so important, look at me” attitude. You make me sick!” – please picture Mrs. Hibben-White holding her beautiful little girl for the last time and tell me that as a parent you are ok with your statement. I truly hope that you wrote this solely based on emotion and spur of the moment anger; there’s passion in your writing but it is so terribly misguided.

  • rosross

    Taking apart her irrational rant, piece, by piece. Well done. One can feel enormous compassion for Jennifer Hibben for the loss of her child, who, as she admits, would not have been saved by vaccines anyway, but it is clear she is projecting in spades her unresolved grief and trauma onto the issue of vaccines.

  • rosross

    Kristin, she admits her child died from something which could not be ‘protected’ by vaccines. In truth, she may lose another child because of vaccines but her irrational state of mind now has her paranoid about any process which might, just might, protect her child.

    And here is the true madness – if vaccines work, then, according to the theory, they protect so you either never get the disease, or, if you do, you get it in minor form. So where is the threat?

    More to the point, the contagion source to which she referred WAS A VACCINATED MAN. A non-vaccinated and healthier individual is the least likely source, but, if vaccination works, and either it does or it does not, there is no threat anyway.

  • rosross

    There is a time for Allopthic medicine – generally trauma/crisis and surgery.

    There are homeopathic remedies which could have helped your son and which would not have the negative side-effects of steroids.

  • Becky

    Not true. My child’s persistent croup was cured by 3 homeopathic meds in less than a week. My son’s tick bite fever was sorted in a week with homeopathic meds. What was spectacular was that he played league provincial softball that same month.

  • rosross

    I will just add that the levels of aggression in both this post and Hibben’s are sad. Perhaps it is cultural and Americans are more aggressive but there really is no need for the abuse on either count. Far better to make one’s case without name-calling and insults.

  • SC

    Things could be easily clarified. Make a completely open and transparent study before choosing to vaccinate babies. The necessary steps could be something like this:

    1) make a group of specialists pro and against vaccines, add parents from NGOs ( also pros and cons ); get observers specialized in clinical trials like Peter C Gøtzsche, get people from Cochrane Collaboation and also from CDC, pharma companies, specialists in immunity, immunotoxicology, genotoxicity and so on. Keep everything balanced. They will have to design the study and run it, control everything.

    2) design the study so it will be easy to spot if there are:

    – autoimmune reactions after vaccination. This would imply to make several tests for all subjects before and after the action / intervention. The tests should be done ( if possible) for all auto-antibodies to the proteins present in vaccines ( this can be done following the studies done in proteomics to identify the overlapping between viral and human proteom http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=kanduc+D. ).

    – immunotoxicity

    – genotoxicity ( it should be possible to have DNA samples before and after action / intervention).

    3) Make 2 groups of adults – one of parents / people pro vaccines ( parents, politicians, pharma researchers, and one group of people against vaccines ( matching the group according to the approved study design / methodology) . Make all the tests necessary to know how they are before and after.

    4) Both groups will have to do them selves exactly what they want they want for their children.

    Vaccinate the group of people that are pro vaccination with the same vaccines a baby receives in the first 6 months. The vaccinations MUST be done considering the raport between ml of vaccines ( with all its ingredients) per kg body. There is another aspect but the board / team that will make the study design will find a way to solve it. The idea is that a baby gets a vaccine but the weight of one baby could be 3/4 of the weight of another baby. This should be reflected in the groups of adults.

    The second group will not be vaccinated at all; not even with placebo. A vaccine means also the needle, the vaccination pain and so on. To not vaccinate means also no needle, no pain, no emotional trauma.

    5) Challenge both groups’ participants with the viruses in the vaccines. Each group will have to do as they do, treat everything the way they want to treat their babies. The participants will have to document / record everything they do / eat.

    6) Test the participants, record results, analyse data, get conclusions, discussions a.s.o.

    7) Keep everything transparent, all data to be publicly available ( except personal identification) for independent reviews.

    8) The money for this study should come from pro-vaccination and non-vaccination, 50-50.

    I think this will solve the debate. This way, the pro-vaccine adults will know what a baby feels; the non-vaccines adults will have to stand the diseases.

    Well … just a personal opinion. If I’d have the money .. this is what I’d like to do :) I am really very curios to know if pharma would agree for such a study.

    P.S. Please excuse my mistakes, English is not my native language.

  • rosross

    More importantly, I had kids in the very early seventies. I think they had three vaccinations. It was less of an issue then although I did the research. I also think vaccines were less experimental.
    Within a few years the number of vaccines began to ramp up. Then Sudden Infant Death Syndrome appeared. We now have, from a couple of vaccines, after the age of 12 months, up to 50 toxic chemical disease cocktails injected into a child’s body, starting within 24 hours of birth, insanely, for a disease which is largely associated with promiscuity for heaven’s sake.

    And with it we have astronomical levels of autism, asthma, allergies, diabetes, coeliac disease and behavioural and learning difficulties.

    Where it get really crazy is that a baby does not have much of a functioning immune system until after 6 months – so why vaccinate, or immunise before this age? In addition, a child’s immune system is not fully operational until the age of fourteen, by which stage they have had disease/chemicals etc., injected dozens of times into their bloodstream. And yes, it is virtually into their bloodstream because it is injected into muscles where there are many capillaries and the quickest uptake into the bloodstream.

    Now, the mere fact that disease and toxins are injected into the body runs utterly counter to the body’s brilliant immune response system because it bypasses the first line of defence – skin and mucousal.

    So, here we have disease and toxin mix, often in multiple form, injected into a child’s body in ways IMPOSSIBLE in nature and in ways which contravene the body’s basic immune response anyway and science/medicine says this is okay?

  • sabelmouse

    so called ”anti” vaxxers are up for this and have been asking for this. it’s the other side that doesn’t wanna. for obvious reasons.

  • rosross

    She died of septicemia. Which is odd in this day and age because that is one thing conventional medicine can generally treat. Without knowing the circumstances one can only wonder if the child had compromised immune function and a wound become infected and led quickly to septicemia.
    One can only feel enormous compassion for her mother, who, since we do not know the circumstances, may hold herself partly responsible, as parents do, and now, is desperate to ensure that anything and everything she is told to do, she does. Hence the vaccine obsession and paranoia.

  • Aussie Sutra

    As I understand it, the SOLE purpose of the vaccines given to babies prior to them even being able to develop any immunity, is to TRAIN THE PARENTS to show up for more vaccines. That was apparently told to doctors to explain it.

  • Aussie Sutra

    You never get an answer when you throw the pure logic at them. They cannot deal with it. The man who had the measles was vaccinated. But then again, most measles carriers are.

    http://tinyurl.com/lowzv7t

  • Aussie Sutra

    Oh I think her foot is well and truly rammed in there.

  • Aussie Sutra

    Agreed. I have huge compassion for her loss, although she has no compassion for the loss and pain of others.

  • Aussie Sutra

    And it would be so much SAFER to drink it, as horrible as the thought is.

  • Aussie Sutra

    Worse…she seems to have used her own little daughter’s tragic death for corporate profit.

  • guest

    Informed Consent, Pro-Choice, Anit-vaxx and others who want Parental Autonomy want this but the CDC/Vaccine have refused to do this type of study. Congress has asked them to do this study but they will not respond to the request.

  • guest

    Nonsense post to distract.

  • guest

    Trolls are taught in their training to be abusive and to call those who oppose the status quo names to humiliate them (the poster) and to “warn” others who agree with these posters this is what you will receive if you comment online in support of these people. this is why I believe the number of people who oppose vaccination is higher than reported. If you’ve been following this debate for years you will have noticed that trolls have become more and more aggressive. Although in the last few weeks the new strategy is to allow the MSM-Time magazine, Slate, Daily Beast (ugh), Mother Jones WSJ, NYP, LA Times, to take the leads on the hard push including repugnant name calling and than the trolls would post comments online line like a couple here by Magnus-a known troll, Jj,

    tz1
    – these are misinformation techniques also know as propaganda. These people are paid to do this. There is not a genuine comment from them-mostly scripted.

  • guest

    The fact that the troll train has come on this site and uptick your comment is not impressive. It demonstrates trolls are incapable of have individuals thoughts. Kinda of like the Borg on STTNG.

  • sabelmouse

    why?

  • Middle Of The Road

    WOW! I couldn’t force myself to read this whole letter and I’m an agriculturalist who follows PETA. I would honestly rather listen to PETA than you and that is something I didn’t think was possible.

    I searched her name to find out if her baby was OK and this was the first thing to come up (I guess we know who pays to play). This letter makes you sound like a heartless b****. This is coming from someone who doesn’t cuss!

    This is also coming from someone in the middle of the road. I don’t have children and I don’t have a deep seated opinion on this topic. However I feel the need to offer some advice (unless this letter was just a rant to make your group feel better about themselves- in that case REAL good job).

    However if your trying to sway opinions-

    I don’t care that her grandfather was an investor. My dad owns stock in TJMAXX and I tell all my friends to shop at Ross. Oh wait that’s because I’m a self financed college kid who likes good deals and cute clothes.

    I don’t care for your opening “facts”. The science that I’ve seen shows there’s no correlation but still the first fact you mentioned is the inserts. The company is covering there butts. I mean HELLO we live in a world where McDonalds has to label there coffee as hot.

    I do care that you have personally attacked this women.

    Your final statement about her staying home forever (which I only read because it was near the comment section) is ridiculous. I mean hello pot the kettles calling and your BLACK.

    I don’t know who titled this as an epic response but from the middle of the road it sounds like an EPIC FAIL. I really don’t care what your opinion is HISTORY is going to remember one of you (groups as a whole) as the idiots responsible.

  • Sal

    Haha, you sound like anything but a drive by person with no deep seated interest in the issue. You are an obvious troll here trying to do damage control. You reveal yourself well when you keep referring to this “group.”

  • Sal

    It’s also obvious that Jennifer Hibben Shote does think her child is more important than any of many vaccine damaged children. Now THAT’s heartless. She used her kid as a propaganda tool

  • joel3000

    Troll. Delete.

  • Concerned

    Studies with REAL results (coming from someone with a background in research) have many requirements. They must have a specific protocol, well designed to achieve a specific end goal of proof or no proof and that protocol must be adhered to specifically. Subjects must meet very stringent guidelines and be monitored closely throughout the study. They must have a control–a measuring stick from which to hold the process up to. The best studies are done blind because people are so easily swayed, and that is done by comparing a placebo group to a drug group, but no one knows who is who throughout the study. AND they must be repeated. Over and over. No one study has ever proven anything. As an aside, I could also not read through that woman’s letter. Despite her ignorant hostility through which her points are seldom made, she cites independent studies and articles written by journalists, which mean nothing. We also have to take into consideration our judicial system. Judges are not scientists, and nor are juries. They have to make a ruling based on whoever presented their case the best. Any attorney will tell you that ‘injured’ people make the best plaintiffs because the jury is prejudiced through their sympathy from the onset.

  • AutismDad

    CDC will not cut its own throat or bite the BIG PHARMA hand that feeds them. The only studies they will supply are trash they say proves vaccines safe.

  • AutismDad

    hippocrite personified

  • Middle of the road #truelife

    Seriously type her name into google this is the first thing that comes up.

    My name is Katie, I’m a senior at Texas A&M University, Im 23 years old and have no children who am I supposed to be revealing myself as? I litterally have no opinions on this topic.

    Are you a conspiracy theorist? If I was doing damage control I would have used facts not opinions. How would you like me to refer to these groups? I was trying not to be offensive but you make it really hard.

  • Middle of the road

    I never said its obvious. I don’t think anything about this situation is obvious. I also don’t think you have any right to comment on what she does or does not feel. PS that’s not her name.

  • Concerned

    Sepsis is not rare. Yes, it is oftentimes treatable but by the time most people are aware that they have it, or their child has it, it is pretty systemically involved. People die of it all of the time. The progression of septicemia to sepsis is fairly rapid. So it would depend on how involved her daughter was by the time the fever and rapid heart beat set in, if it did. Children are often unpredictable with their symptoms because they cannot explain them like an adult might. And of course sepsis is treated with products made by the bad evil ‘big pharma’, of course. But we won’t go there.

  • Middle of the road #truelife

    Seriously again! Please feel free to read my below replies!

  • Middle of the road aka Katie

    I don’t want you to have to look to hard

    Seriously type her name into google this is the first thing that comes up.

    My name is Katie, I’m a senior at Texas A&M University, Im 23 years old and have no children who am I supposed to be revealing myself as? I litterally have no opinions on this topic.

    Are you a conspiracy theorist? If I was doing damage control I would have used facts not opinions. How would you like me to refer to these groups? I was trying not to be offensive but you make it really hard.

  • AJ

    FANTASTIC!!

  • Sal

    Aww poor Katie thinks we’re mean. Mean is Reps like Norm Johnson laughing and making jokes about vaccine damaged persons. Mean is how we are treated in media. Mean is how children like Jennifer Hibben White’s is somehow more important than ours.

  • Kiwimommy

    Yep just as the California 1st grader who had luekemia, his Grandfather works for Glaxo-Smith Kline. And he had already had the MMR vaccine also since he had passed one year since Chemo. What a pile of Crap.

  • guest

    “The science that I’ve seen shows there’s no correlation but still the first fact you mentioned is the inserts.”

    First of all you’re a TROLL. WE can smell your ilk even from a computer screen. If you weren’t a TROLL , you would have posted “THE SCIENCE”. TROLLS or the new name that I really like is: PRO VACCINE JIHADIST always talk about the science or the science is settled which means the science is stagnant, static, non-changing or evolving, dormant
    idle, inactive, lifeless, stationary & dead. If this is the case than:

    -the earth is still flat.
    -the sun revolved around the earth.
    -cigarettes are good for you.
    -miasmatic theory of disease.
    -stress theory of ulcers.
    -discovery of the Planet Vulcan.
    -vaccines don’t cause autism.

    In addition to the above, Pro-Vaccine JIHADIST are always talking about the science but they never present any and those that do always post studies by researchers who have financial ties to big pharma OR studies from foreign countries because they think it is harder to research the researchers. One good thing about scientist and their egos, is they love to talk about themselves online. Researching scientist takes a matter of minutes-mostly through social networking sites.

  • guest

    How would you like me to refer to these groups?

    Parents/Grandparents for Medical Autonomy.

  • guest

    This study has been done in other countries and the CDC/HHS/Vaccine makers know what the results are so you’re right, they are not going to cut their own throats. if Posey had enough congressional support the study can be ordered but too many people in congress and the US senate receive large sums of money from big pharma so they will not support anything that will out their nefarious activities.

  • Lupita

    Oh my gosh!!! My mouth is hanging open this was so good!!! Love that she quoted vaccine inserts and gave direct links to the pharma websites.

  • Kristin

    I’ve looked for an article that says that the person was a 30 year old unvaccinated man but have been unable to find anything. There’s no way of proving who was at the office without breaking HIPPA. Also, why would a 30 year old go to the pediatrician for an illness? Most pediatricians do not see patients past 18 years of age.

    I would share my opinion on the points that you brought up, but I’m not entirely sure what you are trying to argue. What are trying to prove if you don’t care if other people vaccinate? And I ask that question genuinely because I hope to gain a better understanding of where you are coming from.

  • paradigmshft

    I think the problem is that there is a big push to force people to vaccinate their children, certain states took away religious exemption recently. I believe there will come a day when children will be vaccinated against the wishes of their parents.

  • Kristin

    I apologize if I came across as a hypocrite. I’m also sorry that the response to a two word comment is so long!

    People act as if variances from the norm are the worse thing that could happen to a child. I would imagine that the stigma surrounding autism would make receiving that diagnosis a lot harder to deal with and that makes me angry. A parent should never have to worry about whether or not their child will be accepted by others or if society will find autistic children worthy of the resources that they need. I hope that more focus is placed on the children who are affected by autism and less on the debate of whether or not to vaccinate. I’ve only seen anger from both sides of the argument and I know that parents such as yourself could offer the world so much insight on the struggles and joys that you have experienced with your child and put the focus on who autistic children are as people and what the rest of us can do to help them.

    I commented originally, because I was not ok with someone writing an article with the sole intention of attacking another person. My goal was not to attack the author. I do not hate her, I do not think she is stupid, or that her opinions are less valid than Mrs. Hibben-White’s. I should not have shared my opinion in the first sentence, for that I’m sorry because my thoughts on the topic are irrelevant to this discussion. I also should have reworded my statement about vaccinating a child vs. raising them in a hostile environment because I do not think that the meaning of the statement was clear. If you took a step back and considered my point and still think that she acted appropriately and in a way that you would want someone to speak to you then that is perfectly fine with me.

  • midlifecrysis

    Excellent rebuttal. That woman is ignorant and needed this education.

  • guest

    Not you. tz1

  • Cherilynne Churchill

    only as an interjection here, but my local medical center has pediatricians and general practitioners in the same office and waiting area.

  • Lisa

    Thank you for writing this.. I was honestly waiting for someone else to post that she and her family stock holders receive money from the Pharm companies.

  • annie

    You know what makes me laugh?
    Holier than thou anti-vaxxers!
    Do any of you own mutual funds? THEN YOU OWN BIG PHARMA SHARES. You better get rid of your mutual funds, you hypocrites.

    Something I find disgusting is that anti-vaxxers completely dismiss the injuries and deaths of those who were injured and died from the illnesses that we are now trying to prevent. Those are just collateral damage to you. You refuse to respect those injuries and illnesses. You discount those, but you expect me to fall all over myself about the few and far between vaccine injuries.

    Oh, and you want to quote Mercola, the lying fraudulent money-grabbing pseudoscientist. (attached just one of the criminal investigations against him)

    http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2011/ucm250701.htm

    Now, you can bring out all the name-calling you want. I don’t care. You are hypocrites.
    You fell all over yourselves, clutching at this so-called evidence of the shares, when YOU own shares in pharma…. hypocrites…..

  • Deborist ‘Zen’jamin
  • Deborist ‘Zen’jamin

    http://www.healthsalon.org/193/sv40-virus/
    Dr Hulda Clark has stated that most of the population now carries the SV40 virus. The virus has found ways to move in the population outside of contraction through the polio vaccine.Here is an article telling the history of SV40 (also known as SMV40) contamination of the polio vaccine and exactly what the government and pharmaceutical industry did about it. Actually, I have conjoined two articles so that you get the full historical picture………………….Arrow

  • Deborist ‘Zen’jamin

    rosross, people are really pissed about this issue, mostly b/c it is getting close to mandated vaccines, no one wants that, oops wait the pro vaxxers do! But I agree with you civility please?

  • guest

    Hey- Pro-Vaccine JIHADIST,

    http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/Enfor
    Old news try and stay current.

    Unless people on this board have millions of shares of stocks-there isn’t a whole lot of profit coming their way. Even MERK’s profits hasn’t reached its target profits which is one of the reason for the Measles Scam of 2015. Profits are down and the stockholders are not happy:

    *Investors should avoid this stock”
    $42.4 billion sounds pretty good to most of us and Merck’s top brass are well fed — executive compensation is publicly disclosed — but shareholders are unhappy and analysts are not sanguine.
    TheStreet (dot) com reported on 2/4/15 “Merck’s Disappointing Forecast Means Investors Should Avoid This Stock“:

    Merck… revenue fell more than 7% year over year, missing Wall Street projections by $30 million, and Merck forecast that full-year 2015 revenue would fall more than 5% year over year. For now, investors should avoid this stock.

    Multiple lawsuits against MERCK so the last few years haven’t been good for Merck so I would assume mutual funds are being dumped all across the country if the portfolio doesn’t include millions of shares.

    “Something I find disgusting is that anti-vaxxers completely dismiss the
    injuries and deaths of those who were injured and died from the
    illnesses that we are now trying to prevent.”

    Please be specific as to what injuries and illnesses you are referring to. Typically trolls construct statement that really can’t be answered because they are basically stated in the abstract. So, please provide specific example, names, dates, times, age of the injured child/adult, what the illness was, how did they contract it etc. This way your comment can be appropriately responded to.

    “Now, you can bring out all the name-calling you want. I don’t care. You are hypocrites.”

    Obviously you do care or you would not have taken the time to post your scripted comment on this board. This is the new troll script. End the comment with a “I DON”T CARE” HA HA! For someone who doesn’t care the tone of this comment reveals considerable anger. Have you ever thought of taking some anger management counseling so you will not feel compelled to go on comment boards and lie through your teeth at the hypocrite “anti-vaxxers” when your sole purpose is to earn that 15 cents per word for your ridiculous comment.

  • annie

    Jihadist? That is the best you can do? *yawn*

    Seriously? You don’t know about cases of blindness and deafness, and death from measles, chicken pox, and other illnesses? Hmmmmm you obviously don’t pay attention to detail. I don’t have to list specific cases – you know they exist. (gee, that sounds familier, doesn’t it …… my child is vaccine injured! but I have no evidence….)
    I will not post people’s personal data here, but you can research “measles injuries”, or I can just provide you with some links:

    Here is a link showing overall, 5.9% of those who get
    measles get pneumonia. Two high risk groups in that 5.9% are the under 5 years group (8.6%) and the over age 30 group (9.3%).

    In those same high risk groups, 26% of the under 5 years group will require hospitalization, and 27% of the over age 30 will require hospitalization.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S4.full

    So, let’s do a little math….

    The efficacy of a single dose of measles-containing vaccine
    given at 12 or 15 months of age is estimated to be 85% to 95%. With a second dose, efficacy in children approaches 100%. However, measles outbreaks have occurred in populations with high immunization coverage rates. Due to the high infectivity of measles (each case may infect 12 to 18 others) at least 95% of
    the population needs to be immunized to develop herd immunity. (I know, I know, anti-vaxxers HATE herd immunity, but please bear with me).

    Source:
    http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/cig-gci/p04-meas-roug-eng.php#effimm

    So, let’s take 100 four year old kids, all are vaccinated.
    Let’s put them in a room where the measles virus has been sprayed.

    Let’s say that they only got a single vaccine, so 85%
    efficacy. So, 85 of those 100 kids will NOT get the illness.

    15 get measles.

    Of those 15, 4 will require hospitalization, and 1.29 (so let’s say 1) will get pneumonia.

    Now let’s take 100 four year old kids who are not vaccinated, and put them in a room where the measles virus has been sprayed.

    Measles has about a 90% transmission rate among unvaccinated people.

    So, of those 100 children, 90 of them will get the illness.

    Of those 90, 23 will be hospitalized, and 8 will get pneumonia.

    But keep not vaccinating – big pharma loves all those kids in the hospital!

    OH but wait…. you will want to talk to me about VAERS…

    And again, I will use the measles vaccine. If I don’t get
    the vaccine and am exposed, I have a 90% chance of getting the illness if exposed to it. If I do get the vaccine, I have a 15% chance of getting the illness.

    If I get the illness, whether vaccinated or not, I have almost a 10% chance of getting pneumonia. I have a 27% chance of being hospitalized. I have a 0.7% chance of dying.

    When I look at the vaccination injuries from the measles
    vaccine, I find little to no actual data to support the injuries and deaths reported. VAERS is not an accurate reporting
    database (if you look, there are 80 reports of pregnancy due to vaccines).

    But, even if I go with VAERS, there were 108 deaths in 10
    years (not proven that the vaccine caused the deaths).

    Yes, there were no deaths from measles during that time.

    But, then let’s go back to the “what if” of if there was a
    measles outbreak and let’s go back to how many vaccines were administered.

    From 2006 to present, there were just over 73 million MMR vaccines administered. Again, using VAERS (which isn’t accurate) there were 161 injury claims total. (based on National
    Vaccine Compensation reports)

    Based on that, my risk of injury is 161/73,000,000 = 0.00022% chance of a vaccine injury.

    Even if injuries were 100 times higher than reported, that
    is still only a 0.022% chance of injury.

    Even if injuries were 10,000 times higher than reported,
    that is still only a 2.2% chance of injury.

    That is still less than my risk of pneumonia and hospitalization if I am exposed and infected.

    Oh, but wait! You will want to talk about the National Vaccine Compensation Program.

    National Vaccine Injury Compensation figures show, that between 2006 and March 2014, there were:

    Grand Total of Vaccines Given: 1,968,399,297
    Compensated Claims: 1300 (0.000066%) or, 6.6 TEN THOUSANDTHS OF ONE PERCENT of total vaccines

    Now, I know the anti-vax community loves to say “only one in
    10 gets reported… (even though you never provide any evidence)… but, let’s play along… and say that there are actually 10 injuries for every one reported.

    Then, if that were true, the number of compensated claims
    should be 13,000, or 0.0006.6% or 6.6 THOUSANDTHS OF ONE PERCENT of total vaccinations.

    So where all these vaccine injuries? And if they are as bad as some say they are, why aren’t they being reported?

    Vaccine injuries would have to be 75,708 times bigger than
    they are now, to be the same risk as pneumonia from measles.

    Seriously??????? You would rather risk pneumonia, than an injury that is more than 75000 times less likely???? That is soooooo rational.

    But, let’s go back to the article.

    You attack this woman based on pseudoscience and lies. You attack this woman based on something she has no control over. You are pathetic, and should be ashamed of yourselves.

  • annie

    And, did you notice that your so-called evidence is from an IPO in 2004?????? That is not evidence that Mr. Hibben still owns the stock.

    You have also failed to link that Corus is involved in the measles vaccine, which is the one in question. There is no correlation there.

    And, if you would look, Corus was sold out to another company in 2006. You have not proven that Mr. Hibben still owns shares.

    You grasp at straws – there are 10 confirmed measles cases in the Toronto area, yet you chose the 30 year old male as your person zero?

    OH, and let’s talk about that court case in Italy? Seriously? You take an Italian court seriously? Did you even read the background on that case, or just the headline that was fed to you by Vactruth, Natural News, and other pseudo sites?

    Here, I will give you a little background.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2013/08/09/court-rulings-dont-confirm-autism-vaccine-link/

    Quote:

    “The centerpiece of the “courts confirm” article is the 2012 finding of a local Italian court that a child was diagnosed with autism a year after receiving an MMR. The court, in linking the two things, relied very heavily on the retracted and fraudulent 1998 Wakefield MMR Lancet paper and the testimony of a single physician, hired by the plaintiff’s attorney (widely known for advising parents on how to avoid compulsory vaccinations). The physician, Massimo Montinari, it seems, has written a book on how vaccines cause autism and peddles an autism “cure” that he’s devised.

    Italian courts, provincial or otherwise, are not known for basing their rulings in science. They are, after all, part of the system that led to a manslaughter conviction of six scientists for not predicting the 2009 L’Aquila earthquake, disregarding completely the obvious fact that such predictions are not, in fact, scientifically possible. In a similar way, the Italian court that made the MMR-autism ruling–the centerpiece of this latest “courts confirm” tripe–ignored completely the science made available to it and focused almost solely on the retracted Wakefield paper and a physician with a COI in making its decision. A decision that is, by the way, under appeal.”

    The court decision was based on bad science and conflict of interest…..

    Nice try though.

    OH, and let’s talk about the safety and efficacy of alternative / natural / organic products.
    Where are the studies, the research, the tests, that show that those items are safe? What is the efficacy rate?
    Oh yeah – there are none! But, you will believe in them, because the label says so.

    If Mercola, NVIC, Tenpenny, Humphries, et all were so worried about vaccines, why aren’t they doing research to find something safer? IF they re so altruistic, and looking out for humanity, wouldn’t that be a good thing?
    Oh yeah, it is because they are too busy MAKING MONEY off of the poor sucker who buy their snake oil. Their completely unresearched, unproven snake oil.

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/alternative-medicine-is-a-34-billion-industry-but-only-one-third-of-the-treatments-have-been-tested-879411/?no-ist

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/new-york-attorney-general-targets-supplements-at-major-retailers/?_r=2

  • Lauren Owlsley

    Hey Annie, truth hurts, eh? Yeah, thought so. Any self righteous ignorant nazis like you or your filthy ilk ever try and inject my daughter with gardasil or flu vaccine, and yeah, I will cure their stupid with a supersonic injection of lead to the brain!

  • annie

    and, it looks like now I am being censored by Vaccine Truth – isn’t THAT funny!!!!!!
    Why would they delete my posts? Why are they afraid of what I say?
    That is pathetic.

  • annie

    Apparently VacTruth is deleting my posts….. too funny…..

    I guess that little old me is a threat to informed consent and information.

    If you know how I can post pictures here, then I can show you the screen shots that show my comments, and that they are being deleted.

  • Little ole me!

    News flash Ross doesn’t have “cute” clothes and don’t make a&am look bad!

  • Little ole me!

    Annie you take the cake!

  • sabelmouse

    i know who it’s to but don’t understand your reply to them.

  • Diane

    Excellent response to a very arrogant and ignorant woman. Thank you!

  • AutismDad

    Here’s a site for your kind. They ban antivacs so they can wallow in their ignorance. I was banned because I was an antivac .
    http://www.skepticalob.com/2009/10/latest-argument-of-vaccine.html#comment-1870332296

  • Marty Yates

    I love this , so glad to see , Would have been my thoughts exactly , thank you !
    Living with VAX induced autistic child , although he is high functioning , he still has Autism That will never go away …. So thank you very very much .

  • AutismDad

    For someone whose posts are deleted there sure are a lot still here. Are you feeling alright? Had a flu vac each year for the last 5 years? Increases your chance of alzheimers.

  • AutismDad

    You may need to adjust your meds. Ask your aide to get you a calming puzzle.

  • Your posts are not being deleted. However, a few were automatically sent to the spam filter.

  • Himmicane Ike Survivor TX

    And I see Annie the internet troll has joined us. Hey, Annie – !! How much are you being paid to harass these nice people, and who exactly is paying you??? Big Pharma ???

  • Caroline Carter

    none of my children or grandchildren have been vaccinated. None have died or even been seriously ill. I now advise my clients against vaccinating themselves sand their children. Most follow my advice after investigating the information I supply.

  • guest

    First of all you are not responding directly to my comment. If you wanted to post something unrelated to what I posted you could have easily done so instead of switching direction and engaging in a time suck but ok. I’ll play.

    I like Pro Vaccine Jidahist. It’s fits groups and individuals who engage in Medical Tyranny.

    “And, did you notice that your so-called evidence is from an IPO in
    2004?????? That is not evidence that Mr. Hibben still owns the stock.”

    You haven’t proven that he doesn’t still own the stock. I didn’t address the stock ownership one way or other so since you opened that door the onerous is on you to answer that question for yourself.

    You grasp at straws – there are 10 confirmed measles cases in the Toronto area, yet you chose the 30 year old male as your person zero?

    Again I didn’t address the measles issue in the Toronto area. But if I did I would say to 10 cases of measles—SO WHAT!! So what. I would say SO WHAT! to 50 cases. You know why? Measles is not a “killer” illness. Had them. My entire elementary school had them. My children’s elementary school had them. My nieces and nephews had measles as well as their schools had them. The illness moves in cycles of every other year. Two of my nephews are asthmatics which makes them immuno-compromised. Sailed through measles with no problems. My sister didn’t break a sweat about it because it was, as the children’s Doctor, who is old school said, “it’s just measles”. Several of my sister’s grandchildren have full blown sickle cell anemia. Talk about immuno-suppressed. They have not received any vaccines as per their Doctors recommendation. They have had measles, chicken pox and all the kids and grand-kids have had strep throat. No one was deathly ill from it. So childhood illness are no big thing if you live a healthy lifestyle and don’t use as you primary nutrition source fast food restaurants & processed foods. Oh yea, stay away from prescription medication.

    Prescription abuse has surpassed car accidents as the leading cause of deaths in 29 states:
    http://www.drugrehab.org/prescription-drug-abuse/

    “Seriously? You don’t know about cases of blindness and deafness, and death from measles, chicken pox, and other illnesses?”

    Nope. I really don’t and I have worked in CPS for years. I have had regular contact with children from birth to mid teens over the years and I can tell you what I have seen:
    -normal children change over the course of a years after state mandated vaccines because they were wards of the state. This, despite the parent “Providing” a record the child had been vaccinated, the stated deemed the parents documentation questionable and insisted on re-vaccinating. Foster Parents are mandated by the state to provide daily records of the child’s behavior and the changes in the children is undeniable. These children while they were in care were allotted extra funds because documentation demonstrated their care needs changed as a result of them developing a condition they did not have when they went into care.
    -children digressing into autism after be subjected to vaccination.
    -childrens medical condition made worse by the many drugs that the school system insisted the children be administered because they were too rambunctious and energetic for class. To me this just demonstrated the teacher lack of classroom skills but the state makes the call. These child became zombie after being medicated with what else Ritalin-this is the term the foster parents used.
    -I’ve not witnessed it but I know of a childhood friend of my son’s that was put on Ritalin in junior high school and by the time he reached 25 had tried to commit suicide twice. Apparently suicide is one of those long term side effects of the Ritalin not talked about.

    So -NO. I don’t know the dire conditions that children have suffered from as a result of not being vaccinated so again, I am asking for such documentation and I’m sure other would like to read these cases too. Please provide studies that confirm that if the child or children had been vaccinated they would not have experienced their life threatening illness.

    “You take an Italian court seriously?”
    Yes, I do. No where else on the planet has a pharmaceutical company or any company for that fact been given blanket immunity from from lawsuits filed against a consumer product except is the United States of America. It is telling how corrupt a legal system is when people harmed by vaccines in countries outside of the US can SUE the pharmaceutical company directly. They can use lawyers of their choice, they can utilize inevitable discovery in their pursuit of justice and the courts in other countries can compel the pharmaceutical company to hand over documents that would be incriminating to them.

    A person can drop dead in their Doctors office from a Flu shot, autopsy proves the shot was the catalyst for the death (that’s if you can find a medical examiner who isn’t terrified of the repercussion of big pharma) and the family doesn’t have any legal recourse. Yes, there is the NVICP which was created to defect financial responsibility from big pharma to the tax payers of the US. Now the pharmaceutical company can contribute to this fund but its “voluntary” and they don’t. Generally the wait time is 8 years before the case if reviewed. Now this isn’t a “legal court case” it is a administrative hearing facilitated by rotating Special Masters, private lawyers from legal firms that have contracts with Justice Dept. The complaintive has no private legal representation. The lawyer representing the complaintive is selected by the Justice dept as well as the lawyer for the pharmaceutical company. The complaintive is NOT allowed to attend the hearing and only the Special Master and the two lawyers are in the room. These hearing are closed. Pharmetutical companies do not have to participate at all in this proceeding and they don’t.

    -Tax payers pay for the entire proceeding right down to damages if awarded.
    -THERE IS NO DISCOVERY PROCESS. THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES HAD THIS WRITTEN INTO THE 1986 LAW THAT GIVES THEM BLANKET IMMUNITY. THIS WAY ANY (potential) INCRIMINATING DOCUMENTATION IS HIDDEN FROM THE FAMILY.
    -Legal presidents are limited so the court has issued over the years contradictory rulings considering one Special Master has no idea what another Special Master has ruled on. this is all under Health and Human Services.

    HHS OWNS vaccine patents so the fact that this agency is in charge of the NVICP is a conflict of interest. So this is how it is…….
    Government Attorneys defend a Government Program Using Government Funded Science, Decided by Federal Bureaucrats, Trying To Keep Their Government Jobs.

    So Do I take the Italian Court system seriously–this was a trick question right?

    Forbes is a paid for shrill for the pharmaceutical industry. Forbes in 2012 did an article about the MMR scientist’s lawsuit against Merck- http://www.forbes.com/sites/gerganakoleva/2012/06/27/merck-whistleblower-suit-a-boon-to-anti-vaccination-advocates-though-it-stresses-importance-of-vaccines/. A couple of quotes:

    “Anyone who falls on either side of the debate about vaccines’ alleged potential to cause harm is sure to have heard the big news this week — the unsealing of a whistleblower suit against Merck, filed back in 2010 by two former employees accusing the drugmaker of overstating the effectiveness of its mumps, measles, and rubella vaccine.”

    “As the single largest purchaser of childhood vaccines (accounting for more than 50 percent of all vaccine purchasers), the United States is by far the largest financial victim of Merck’s fraud. But the ultimate victims here are the millions of children who every year are being injected with a mumps vaccine that is not providing them with an adequate level of protection against mumps. And while this is a disease the CDC targeted to eradicate by now, the failure in Merck’s vaccine has allowed this disease to linger with significant outbreaks
    continuing to occur,” the suit alleges.”

    Ever since that story ran on Forbes website they have been kissing pharma rear end because you don’t want to again slap the hand that feeds them. When it comes to the sacrosanct vaccine Forbes makes FOX news look legitimate.

    Another example of MSM take down by big pharma: The Wall Street Journal also covered the story back in 2012, but according to a report by Dr. Mercola, the Wall Street Journal’s “elite” network of CFOs from the world’s top corporations met 3 days later (including executives from Merck), and the story was removed from their website. Oh yes, I know you don’t like Mercola and you don’t think he’s a legit resource. That’s your issue, not mine. Debunk the information not where it’s housed. Go back to 2012 and do a search of vaccine isssues on the Fores site forward and every article you see will be abusive to those called anti-vaxxers and supportive to the vaccine makers.

    Emily Willingham- a know Forbes/pharmaceutical shrill. The article is an opinion piece and Willingham’s opinion is just that-an opinion. Since you’re into character assassination I’l take a page out of your book. Emily has gone from a Forbes “Contributor,” to “Subscriber,” and back to “Contributor” again according to her bio on the Forbes website since May of 2014. Since her demotion to “Subscriber,” Forbes has published nothing from her, Yes, she did win an award and this has helped her cause but a misleading Forbes article that is now the basis of a libel suit against her.

    “Willingham’s award is more a curse than an honor for Forbes, bringing yet more attention to her embarrassing reporting and to the even more embarrassing fact that she is still not contributing there anymore. The only purpose the reversion of her status back to “Contributor” from
    “Subscriber” currently serves is to minimize attention to that fact. It appears just as unlikely that this “Contributor” will ever contribute anything to Forbes again.” Jake Crosby: Epoch Times.

    As far as various researchers, doctors and other individual who don’t play by the pharmaceutical company rules-if they are members of the tall poppy club, pharma and their minions in crime are going to go after them to try and discredit them in the eyes of the public. Like the Gries who were the focus of bogus investigations and charges years ago who have, through the judicial process won their court case: HUGE Victory For Mark and David Geier…
    Maryland Medical Board, and the Individual Employees
    involved, ULTIMATELY SANCTIONED by District Court
    – a Total Finding For the Plaintiff. Damages Hearing
    to Follow. http://bolenreport.com/Mark%20Geier/HUGE%20Geier%20victory%20agaisnt%20maryland%20medical%20board.htm

    Pharmetutical companies are notorious for eliminating obstacles to their profitability and control:
    Drug Giant Merck – “Destroy” Critical Doctors “Where They Live”: https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/merckdestroydoccritics/

    Walter A. Orenstein: http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/
    You list one of pharma most corrupt doctors, with the exception of Paul Offit and Julie Gerberding, as a reliable and unbiased source of information. A man who was actively engaged in the cover up of the data: Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information. This is the study where these comments were made:

    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40-41: “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays, which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of
    these plus a number of other disorders.”

    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 165: “Personally,I have three hypotheses. My first hypothesis is it is parental bias.
    The children that are more likely to be vaccinated are more likely to be picked and diagnosed. Second hypothesis, I don’t know. There is a bias that I have not recognized, and nobody has yet told me about it. Third hypothesis. It’s true, it’s Thimerosal. Those are my hypotheses.”

    Dr. Weil of the AAP, pg. 207: “The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant. The positive relationships are those that one might expect from the Faroe Islands studies. They are also related to those data we do have on experimental animal data and similar to the neurodevelopmental tox data on other substances, so that I think you can’t accept that this is out of the ordinary. It isn’t out of the ordinary.”

    Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: “We have asked you to keep this information confidential. We do have a plan for discussing these data at the upcoming meeting of the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices on June 21 and June 22. At that time CDC plans to make a public release of this information so I think it would serve all of our interests best if we could continue to consider these data.”

    As you well know, the study information was never made public. In fact in order to keep it out of the public’s hand (not that the MSM would even cover it) the CDC, when hit with hundreds of FOIA requests over a number of years and was told by congress to release copies of the transcript as well as the raw data-the CDC gave the entire database to the IOM. CDC is a government agency and therefore is subjected to FOIA request whereas the IOM is a private agency-is not. This is part of the whistleblowers revelation.

    The study you have posted is specific for DEVELOPING COUNTRIES which is just another name for THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. The complications referred to in the study are for Developing Countries.

    The study states: http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/…Abstract
    Forty years after effective vaccines were licensed, measles continues to cause death and severe
    disease in children worldwide. Complications from measles can occur in almost every organ system. Pneumonia, croup, and encephalitis are common causes
    of death; encephalitis is the most common cause of
    long-term sequelae. Measles remains a common cause of blindness in DEVELOPING COUNTRIES . Complication rates are higher in those 20 years old, although croup and otitis media are more common in those <2 years old and encephalitis in older children and adults. Complication rates are increased by immune deficiency disorders, malnutrition, vitamin A deficiency, intense exposures to measles, and lack of previous measles vaccination. Case-fatality rates have decreased with improvements in socioeconomic status in many countries but remain high in DEVELOPING COUNTRIES.

    SUMMARY
    Measles is an important cause of serious
    complications and death. Pneumonia is the most frequent severe complication, and croup, diarrhea, and malnutrition precipitated by measles contribute to mortality. Encephalitis occurs in ∼1 of every 1000 children with measles. Concurrent vitamin A deficiency increases rates of complications. Children <5 years of age, adults,and persons with malnutrition or immunodeficiency disorders are at increased risk of complications. In DEVELOPING
    COUNTRIES ,measles case-fatality rates are 10- to 100-fold higher than in developed countries; ∼770,000 children died of measles in 2000. Older age at infection, vitamin A supplementation, and antibiotic therapy for secondary bacterial infections have reduced measles-associated deaths in the developing world. Eradication of measles would be a major public health accomplishment.

    In the US the year this study was posted 2004, there was -0- ZERO deaths from Measles in the US. Source: CDC's National Vital Statics Report. Complications as indicated by the 2004 data indicated complication in the US were insignificant. This is also documented in the NVSR.

    So you are commenting on alternative medicine and nutritional supplements WHY????

    That was not part of my comment so you obviously have me confused with someone else. That's a distraction and a trip you're have to take solo.

    Next post….. coming.

  • Lauren Owlsley

    How much is big pharma paying you for your “work at home opportunity” trolling blogs and pushing their misinformation? I’m more focused on contacting those that matter than wasting time on trolls like you on the internet. I know a lot about nazis dear, you are one for sure. You are a totalitarian collectivist who has no respect for personal sovereignty. The filthbag POS CEOs of big pharma who conceal and deny the dangers while trying to manipulate the public through hysteria to mandate their faulty and dangerous products should be dancing on air, hanging from lampposts, just like Nuremberg. Baaah baaaah little sheep.

  • annie

    Ahh see, you were the one claiming that he owns the stock. I don’t have to prove he doesn’t, you have to prove that he does, since that is the basis of the “big pharma shill” and the “conflict of interest” allegations. You make the accusation, it is up to you to prove it.

    Your comment abut not knowing about blindness, deafness, or deaths – that just shows that you truly haven’t done your homework, and truly haven’t researched. You are so focussed on mortality, that you haven’t looked at morbidity.

    Ohhhhh you work for CPS. Big deal. Where is your medical background?

    And, you take the Italian court seriously – well, that just shows that you are willing to believe anything, as long as it comes from an anti-vax source. This is also the court that convicted geologists for not predicting an earthquake, and ruled that a woman can’t be raped if she is wearing tight jeans. But since you believe them on the vaccine ruling, you mist believe them on the other rulings as well. Very nice.

    And, although I provided links to show that measles does have both mortality and morbidity, you choose to ignore that. I can’t solve that narrow-mindedness.

    And, did you notice that all your references start with “I believe…” “My theory….” again, not fact.

    I always find it entertaining when people attack the pharmaceutical company as the big bad evil monster. The pharmaceutical industry is one of the most regulated, researched, and tested industries in the world.

    I fully believe that it SHOULD be regulated and researched.
    I also believe that when there are damages, PROVEN damages, that the pharmaceutical companies should be held responsible and there should be consequences. I have no problem with that.

    Take the latest incident with Merck – and if you would look into that, the issue revolves around the vaccine having 88% efficacy, not 95%.
    Anti-vaxxers would have you believe that the case revolves around millions dying from the vaccine – gotta love that fear mongering.

    Should Merck get their ass kicked over it? Absolutely. I have no problem with that. But this lawsuit is no different than the hundreds of automotive suits every year for faulty equipment that caused damage. I suspect you still drive your car.

    I also believe that the alternative / organic / natural market should have to follow the same rules. The snake oil purveyors can sell you anything, and you don’t know. There are no safety regulations. There are no efficacy tests.
    That is why I posted the links I did – because it shows the hypocrisy of the alternative market. They want more testing and more controls on pharmaceuticals, but there is none on them. If they were so sure that the products do what they say, step up and prove it.

    You are hypocrites. You call names, yet expect me to respect your opinion.
    You use innuendo and perception, not facts and truth.

    I will never change your mind – I know that. Unfortunately, every once in a while, I can’t take the hypocrisy and the stupidity, and I have to comment… and then I remember why I shouldn’t…..
    Because fighting with an idiot is useless…. you will bring me down to your level and beat me with your experience.

  • annie

    Nice name calling – you have any facts to back you up? Or should I just send you some crayons to go with that tantrum?

  • annie

    Hey AutismDad – nice to see you here too…
    If you give me your email, I could send you the screenshots of my posts that were blocked…..

  • annie

    So far, all you have done is try to insult me.
    I guess when you don’t have any evidence to back you up, that is what you fall back on.
    You expect me to respect your position when you have done nothing but be insulting (both here and on other threads).
    Why would I?
    You have brought no facts to the table.
    You aren’t interested in providing me with any information.
    You just want to call names. Very mature.

  • annie

    And, why do my posts say “Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by Vaccine Truth” if it goes straight to spam?

  • AutismDad

    Yea well I’m fed up with people denying vaccine adverse effects because they are brainwashed by simplistic media reports. I can’t call you the names I’d like because it gets one banned from posting. As for respect you’ll get none and as for wanting it from you, buh wah ha ha no thanks.

  • AutismDad

    Not interested. I can see what you subscribe to and how to flame other posters. You’re a nut job.

  • AutismDad

    abusive and angry. Not too together today?

  • annie

    I guess you don’t actually read my posts, because you would see that I have never denied vaccine effects.
    And I have specifically stated numerous times that pharmaceutical companies SHOULD be held responsible.
    I guess you don’t read well, do you.

  • annie

    Yup – name-calling…..
    You can’t even be bothered to read enough of my post to see that I am in favor of pharmaceutical companies being held responsible for damages.
    You made your judgment call without even reading..

  • annie

    You are right – Lauren is – she really should get some help for those anger issues.
    And AutismDad, since I suspect you are aiming that comment at me, how is my comment any more abusive that what you have thrown at me today?
    Or are you just choosing to be hypocritical?

  • annie

    Well, that does seem fair, since Vactruth, Natural News, GreenMedInfo, NVIC, and Tenpenny all ban any pro-vaxxers from their sites.

  • annie

    Heyyy! Good to see you too!

  • jax

    I bet this won’t make the news like hers did. But it bloody well should. Well written!

  • AutismDad

    Great post.

  • AutismDad

    Real world…won’t happen. Take note, say you have concerns about vaccine safety or that you are a parent with a vac injured child, you get the anti-vaxxer name. You have your mental health questioned, your motives question, you are called idiot, muderer etc all to get you to shut up. They are hooked and prescribe to the old dogma. We are clalling for a new vaccine world order. We will clash until its settled. Of course government and mainstream medicine will get heavy handed and threats made. Typical. But when you believe you are right, you soldier on.

  • AutismDad

    Good point. Each fall they trumpet the FLU SEASON when its really the flu vac sales season.

  • AutismDad

    I just read ALL of your posts. You’re nuts and uber angry at the world.

  • Lowell Hubbs

    So Annie, you claim to be all about the so called science? Go ahead Annie and produce for me one single study showing the physiological safety profile of the current CDC vaccine schedule? 49 doses of 14 vaccines before the age of six, and 69 doses of 16 vaccines to include Gardasil for both boys and girls, by the age of 18. Go ahead and produce one single study showing the physiological safety profile of giving up to nine vaccines to a small child in a single day and office visit?

    Facts and Science
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!the-factsscience/cc2d

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    Dr. Andrew Moulden: Learning to Identify Vaccine Damage
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/dr-andrew-moulden-learning-to-identify-vaccine-damage/

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine, (what the independent data the CDC has ignored, actually shows us.)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    It’s not just autism

    Many people have heard so often the denials through mainstream media and ‘expert’ sources that vaccines don’t cause autism, so they assume anyone who refuses vaccines is ONLY worried about autism.

    Most of those who refuse vaccines are concerned first and foremost about health and what life practices will best support and promote health.

    The children in the USA receive the highest number of vaccines in the world. No other country gives their children the number and variety of vaccines that the CDC recommends for the children born in the USA. Yet children living in the USA today are among the most unhealthy generation ever in this country.

    Children suffer from earache, ear infections, asthma, diabetes, cancer, allergies, other auto-immune disorders, obesity, seizures, brain encephalitis, tics, learning disabilities, developmental delays, brain damage (includingautism) and even death (SIDS) at unprecedented rates. The US infant mortality rate is now 23rd in the world.

    What could possibly be causing our children to be so sick? There are a variety of possibly explanations, but it would be foolish to categorically assume that the rate of vaccination of our children with multiple vaccines given at once and repeated multiple times before the age of two, is a totally safe procedure.

    It’s not just autism those who refuse vaccines are worried about. It is the general state of health of our children and our nation. The autism rate is now 1:28 but the obesity rate is nearly 1:2. You can search to find out the statistics for many other childhood illnesses. We all know families devastated by childhood cancers.

    We want healthy children. Has anyone ever studied the combined impact of all the recommended vaccines on the health of our most vulnerable members of society?

    Read more:
    http://journeyboost.com/2014/09/20/its-not-just-autism/

  • Lowell Hubbs

    Then risk of vaccine harm and injury from the MMR vaccine is greatly higher than any exposure to and a bout with the measles. You simply refuse the evidence, as if it does not exist.

    And as well how many studies would it take to show this adequately for you? How many children would need to actually recover from autism through biomedical treatment, which again adequately shows it was the vaccines, before you would believe it, instead of denying it.

    Research References, (endless)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    Biomedical Treatment in Autism (ASD)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/biomedical-treatment-in-autism-asd.html

    Dr Andrew Wakefield – MMR Vaccine – Truth and Reality
    http://www.vacfacts.info/dr-andrew-wakefield—mmr-vaccine—truth-and-reality.html

    The Truth About Measles the Mainstream Media is Suppressing
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/the-truth-about-measles-the-mainstream-media-is-suppressing/

    Measles and measles vaccines: fourteen things to consider. ~by Roman Bystrianyk (co-author Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History) http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/06/24/measles-and-measles-vaccines-fourteen-things-to-consider-by-roman-bystrianyk-co-author-dissolving-illusions-disease-vaccines-and-the-forgotten-history/

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine, (the independent data they did not show you)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • Lowell Hubbs

    And do you just assume that because you are pro-vaccine, do you presume and then also that we are automatically to assume, that you have all the needed science and facts, and that you do not need to put anything on the table? Such levels of hypocrisy are non productive. Some of us already know what you would put on the table, and it has been shown and can be shown to be nothing but corrupt junk science. I have asked you specific questions on that here on this article. Go answer it.

    Here is a well done analysis that all persons here and parents should be interested in, on those 14 to 16 so called large epidemiological studies, that you people call science. You know, the ones that only looked at the MMR vaccine, and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal; and nothing else. Then they called it good, and claimed that all the needed studies were in, and that the science shows that vaccines do not cause autism, and nor anything else. Flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes-unsupported by the data, major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources. All the evidence is there to show those findings.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

  • Lowell Hubbs

    I guess as well then that YOU don’t read and nor hear THIS well, Annie?

    Hear This Well Parents Speak Out
    by Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence 264 videos 218,806 views
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe

    Did you get your flu shot this year, Annie? If you did, it has clearly placed you and anyone that did at a much higher risk of severe flu complications and death. What a good deal? That is how far behind the science study cart the CDC actually is. They are still literally in the dark ages with the science they have and promote, deliberately.

    The Currently Failed Flu Vaccine Expose/ With Original Antigenic Sin Study Info
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-currently-failed-flu-vaccine-expose-with-original-antigenic-sin-study-info.html

  • Lowell Hubbs

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    To date, the prevalence of SV40 infections in humans is not known. Recent studies, based on PCR and serological techniques, indicate that SV40 infection occurs both in children and adults. (i) SV40 DNA sequences have been detected in normal and neoplastic tissues of people either too young (1 to 30 years) or too old (60 to 85 years) to have been vaccinated with SV40-contaminated anti-polio vaccines [19,33,76-81]. This finding may also explain the lack of difference in cancer incidence between individuals vaccinated with SV40-contaminated and SV40-free anti-polio vaccines [82]. (ii) SV40 sequences and Tag were detected in blood and sperm specimens from normal individuals and oncologic patients [80,81,83-88] and in lymphoblastoid cells [32]. These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    Read more:
    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

  • Lowell Hubbs

    Your perception of vaccine risk verses benefit is based on misinformation and false information. You have failed to do and accept any unbiased and independent research. You depend on false and corrupt resources and sources such as the CDC, WHO, Pediatrics, and Paul Offit. Your view of typically vaccinated for illnesses is one of nothing but falsely fear mongered about dangerous and deadly diseases. We are not in the US living in an under-developed nation without adequate nutrition nor sanitation. You obviously refuse any historical evidence that then vaccines have never actually worked nor accomplished what they said that they have. True historical accounts of small pox and polio, and as to what took place, are written by people who lived at the time, and had no conflicts of interest. They are not written decades later based on a correlation equals causation premise, and then as well unproven extrapolated numbers attached to it. You are living a complete delusion!

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign, (and the past small pox vaccine campaign)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

  • Lowell Hubbs

    You need a T shirt that says, “Doesn’t play well with others”. Would you like some crayons and nice coloring book with pictures of Paul Offit and lots of vaccine vials and syringes? How about some pictures to color, where babies are laying on office tables and getting multiple injections of vaccine? I think your time would would be better suited for doing that, than reply posting here. How can you advocate for injecting other families children with vaccines, when you do not even realize and nor acknowledge what the actual risks are. Vaccines have as well repeatedly failed to provide protection, with 80 to 90% of the outbreak being found in the fully vaccinated, and that is the side of it that so called authorities are not be honest about, and never will be. There are reasons that is happening as well, which they again fail to acknowledge. Then only true herd immunity is not vaccine derived, but natural immunity.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • Cosmic John

    Great article well written and amusing and to the point. Vaccines = Russian roulette .vaccines are dangerous. Any one who believes in vaccines and that they are safe is deluded. love the ref links here as well. well worth the read. vaccines = big money earners. God Dam the pusher man.!

  • SC

    Wouldn’t be possible to do the study as an independent study? It is crystal clear that CDC & co will never do by them selvessuch a study.

  • SC

    Could you give more details about similar studies you mentioned? Well … if a congress member votes for something they should be very clear, to have all info and be very clear about the impact of their vote. This means that the pro vaccine congress members should be the first subjects in the study. If they do not get the vaccines … well …

  • suedehead

    Stupid is as stupid does.

  • tz1

    Vaccines are risky. But we no longer have smallpox or other often fatal diseases. Each vaccine is a risk-benefit choice. A woman (or man!) who is a virgin entering a monogamous marriage will not need anti-STD vaccines. Many of the serious diseases 100 years ago aren’t so much a problem with 21st century medicine (which has to be there anyway to address the side effects).

    Apparently in CA there were “measles parties” so that one infected child could cause a natural infection in others, to develop natural immunity instead of the toxic cocktail. OK, maybe I could get the vaccine, and let my shed virus immunize my kids. Of course no one has died of measles in the last 10 years, but there were 100 adverse reactions to the vaccine.

    Polio is more serious and (as far as I can tell) less risky, at least with the oral version. I’d research and negotiate. Mumps is not bad for children but serious for adults. If my child was old enough and otherwise strong, maybe.

    That brings up: the problem is the toxic or Frankenstein nature of the vaccines. Fetuses? Cancer cells? Mercury and Aluminum? In a tiny baby’s body? Multiple vaccines at the same time? NO!

    My mother was very frail, so I got the flu vaccine since if she got it, it would have been serious. But after she passed, I never got another one. I think I may have caught it, but I’m generally healthy, so I feel “under the weather” when others are sick or visit urgent care.

    If I was going to visit some 3rd world country? I’d get a vaccine against everything I might catch that would seriously hurt me. Were smallpox to come back and was a risk, I would get re-vaccinated (I have the scar).

    The whole thing must be an effort to balance the specific vaccine (and there are some alternatives) v.s. the specific disease for the particular person at the particular time.

    But it is insane and stupid to give newborns dozens of vaccines against things like STDs and infections they aren’t likely to get outside of a hospital.

  • guest

    No Annie, I commented on the Merck stock issues not Hibben stock. Go back & read the comment.

    “Your comment abut not knowing about blindness, deafness, or deaths – that just shows that you truly haven’t done your homework, and truly haven’t researched. You are so focussed on mortality, that you haven’t
    looked at morbidity.”

    So what you are saying is as with other trolls, you cannot substantiate the above comment with anything specific so this boils down to your opinion-which you are entitled to. In the future don’t try and pass it off as gospel.
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    “Ohhhhh you work for CPS. Big deal. Where is your medical background?”

    I’ll show you mine if you show me yours. Your pay grade is not high enough to be offered personal information. Maybe in your next life.
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    Your opinion about the Italian Court system is just again-your opinion and you are welcomed to it. The point is the child is being compensated and if it wasn’t a big deal it would have been reported in the MSM.
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    No one on this board or any other said measles mortality in developing/third world countries isn’t a reality. This debate is not about third world countries it is about the USA. In the USA here have been 9 lab confirmed deaths from measles in the US since the year 2000. Source: National Vital Statics Report-CDC.
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    “Take the latest incident with Merck – and if you would look into that, the issue revolves around the vaccine having 88% efficacy, not 95%. ”
    “Measles vaccine has failed” Dr. Gregory Poland
    -The measles vaccine has failed, he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Poland sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues. This is unexpected and a worrisome harbinger — measles outbreaks are occurring where they are least expected,” he wrote in his 2012 paper, listing the “surprising numbers of cases occurring in persons who previously received one or even two documented doses of measles-containing vaccine.” During the 1989-1991 U.S. outbreaks, 20% to 40% of those affected had received one to two doses. In a 2011 outbreak in Canada, “over 50% of the 98 individuals had received two doses of measles vaccine.”
    Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/
    http://business.financialpost (dot) com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/

    -Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.
    Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons.
    Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
    Conclusion: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Because of the failure rate of the vaccine and the unique transmissibility of the measles virus, the currently available measles vaccine, used in a single-dose strategy, is unlikely to completely eliminate measles. The long-term success of a two-dose strategy to eliminate measles remains to be determined. http://archinte.jamanetwork (dot) com/article.aspx?articleid=619215

    **The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons.** It’s called viral vaccine shedding.

    Dr. Gregory Poland is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. He is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology. MMR vaccine failure & viral vaccine shedding:

    *PLoS study: “Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination,” has brought to light the glaring ineffectiveness of two measles vaccines (measles–rubella (MR) or measles–mumps–rubella (MMR) ) in fulfilling their widely claimed promise of preventing outbreaks in highly vaccine compliant populations. China has one of the most vaccination compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? “The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high.
    *Major Measles Epidemic in Quebec Despite 99% Vaccination Coverage:A measles outbreak in a population with 99.0% vaccination coverage. The authors state, “Incomplete vaccination coverage is not a valid explanation for the Quebec City measles outbreak.” “[Major measles epidemic in the region of Quebec despite a 99% vaccine
    coverage] [Article in French]. Can J Public health. 1991
    May-Jun;82(3):189-90
    *Measles Epidemic in Cape Town With 91% Vaccination Coverage:The 1992 measles epidemic in Cape Town–a changing epidemiological pattern. S Afr Med J. 1994 Mar;84(3):145-9.
    *A measles outbreak in a fully immunized school population in Corpus Christi, Texas, in 1985. Measles outbreak in a fully immunized secondary-school population. N Engl J Med. 1987 Mar 26;316(13):771-4.
    *Measles Outbreak in 99.7% Vaccinated Population:
    An Explosive Point-Source measles outbreak In A Highly Vaccinated Population Modes Of Transmission And Risk Factors For Disease. Am J Epidemiol 1989;129:173-82.
    *Measles Vaccine Found in Throat of Vaccinated Child-Detection of measles vaccine in the throat of a vaccinated child. Vaccine. 2002 Feb 22;20(11-12):1541-3.
    *Epidemic measles in a highly vaccinated population.
    N Engl J Med. 1977 Mar 17;296(11):585-9.
    *Measles in Previously Vaccinated Children Evaluation of an Outbreak. Russell W. Currier II, DVM; George E. Hardy Jr., MD; J. Lyle Conrad, MD Am J Dis Child. 1972;124(6):854-857. doi:10.1001/archpedi.1972.02110180056007.
    *From the CDC: Transmission of measles among a highly vaccinated school population–Anchorage, Alaska, 1998. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9921727&dopt=Abstract
    *Detection of measles virus RNA in urine specimens from vaccine recipients: J Clin Microbiol. Sep 1995; 33(9): 2485–2488. PMCID: PMC228449
    *Prolonged measles virus shedding in human immunodeficiency virus-infected children, detected by reverse transcriptase-polymerase chain reaction: J Infect Dis. 2001 Feb 15;183(4):532-8. Epub 2001 Jan 18.
    *Two Fully Vaccinated Doctors Get Measles (2009)
    A measles outbreak in 2009 exposed and infected two physicians, both of whom had been fully vaccinated with two doses of the MMR vaccine. These physicians were suspected of having been infected by treating patients diagnosed with measles. http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/204/suppl_1/S559.full.pdf+html
    *Study titled, “Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011,” http://cid.oxfordjournals (dot) org/content/58/9/1205.long
    the groundbreaking study acknowledged that, “Measles may occur in vaccinated individuals, but secondary transmission from such individuals has not been documented. Sciencemag (dot) org article from April 2014 titled “Measles Outbreak Traced to Fully Vaccinated Patient for First Time.”
    Specifics: In order to find out if measles vaccine compliant individuals are capable of being infected and transmitting the infection to others, they evaluated suspected cases and contacts exposed during a 2011 measles outbreak in NYC. They focused on one patient who had received two doses of measles-containing vaccine and found that,

    “Of 88 contacts, four secondary cases were confirmed that had either two doses of measles-containing vaccine or a past positive measles IgG antibody. All cases had laboratory confirmation of measles infection, clinical symptoms consistent with measles, and high avidity IgG antibody characteristic of a secondary immune response.”
    Their remarkable conclusion:

    “This is the first report of measles transmission from a twice vaccinated individual. The clinical presentation and laboratory data of the index were typical of measles in a naïve individual. Secondary cases had robust anamnestic antibody responses. No tertiary cases occurred despite numerous contacts. This outbreak underscores the need for thorough epidemiologic and laboratory investigation of suspected measles cases regardless of vaccination status.”
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    “The pharmaceutical industry is one of the most regulated, researched, and tested industries in the world.”
    -Another Victory for the FDA, Bigger Warning for Regulated Industry: http://www.gatewayfda (dot) com/pharmaceuticals/another-victory-for-fda-bigger-warning-for-regulated-industry/
    -Big Pharma’s Big Fines: http://projects.propublica.org/graphics/bigpharma
    -Sick system: Record $11 bln fines do not deter pharma giants from crime: http://rt (dot) com/news/drugs-fines-corporations-crime-671/
    -Science has lost its way, at a big cost to humanity: Researchers are rewarded for splashy findings, not for double-checking accuracy. So many scientists looking for cures to diseases have been building on ideas that aren’t even true. October 27, 2013|Michael Hiltzik-http://articles.latimes (dot) com/2013/oct/27/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20131027#axzz2j9vHnd78
    -Big Pharma’s Corporate Crimes and Fines: How Can They Get Away With It?
    Catherine J. Frompovich: http://www.activistpost (dot) com/2015/02/big-pharmas-corporate-crimes-and-fines.html
    -Corporate crime in the pharmaceutical industry is common, serious and repetitive: http://www (dot) cochrane.dk/research/corporatecrime/Corporate-crime-long-version.pdf
    -Corporate crimes and fines by Big Pharma: How they get away with it:http://the-raw-story.blogspot (dot) com/2015/02/corporate-crimes-and-fines-by-big.html
    ——————————–
    -“I also believe that the alternative / organic / natural market should have to follow the same rules. The snake oil purveyors can sell you anything, and you don’t know. There are no safety regulations. There are no efficacy tests.”

    Please show where in my comments where I commented on alternative medicine or holistic medicine?

    The rest of the comment is hyperbola except where you keep calling everyone hypocrites. You know it’s like you pointing a finger and when you point your finger and call everyone a name-hypocrite, three fingers are pointing at you.

  • guest

    “But we no longer have smallpox or other often fatal diseases.”

    We still have Smallpox and Polio. Vaccines got rid of neither or these illnesses.

    “In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961.” (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” –Control of influenza and poliomyelitis with killed virus vaccines) sciencemag.com and a very small embedded article in the Washington Post on September 24, 1976.

    (Actually Salk gave a half confession. Records show that the first week the Polio vaccine was distributed Polio cases increased two fold)

    -The United States Center for Disease Control (CDC) admitted that the vaccine has become the dominant cause of polio in the US today, with 87% of cases between 1973 and 1983 caused by the vaccine. More recently, 1980-1989, every case of polio in the US was caused by the vaccine.

    -Vaccination: A Mythical History ~ by Roman Bystrianyk and Suzanne Humphries MD: http://www.vaccinationcouncil (dot) org/2013/08/27/vaccination-a-mythical-history-by-roman-bystrianyk-and-suzanne-humphries-md/

    -Dr Suzanne Humphries discusses vaccines and polio. Video.
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/02/15/dr-suzanne-humphries-discusses-vaccines-and-polio-video/

    -Smoke, Mirrors, and the “Disappearance” Of Polio http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/11/17/smoke-mirrors-and-the-disappearance-of-polio/

    -POLIO AND THE POLIO VACCINE RACKET-http://www.whale.to/v/polio2.htm

    “It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we ever vanquished smallpox with vaccines, when only 10% of the population was ever
    vaccinated. Glen Dettman A.M.M., BA, Ph.D., F.A.P.M.

    -Smallpox was declared eradicated, yet still infects humans today. By Viera Scheibner, PhD: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/04/02/smallpox-declared-eradicated-while-still-alive-and-well-by-viera-scheibner-phd/

    -THE SMALLPOX VACCINE RACKET. http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox.html

    Smallpox vaccine like the Polio vaccine causes Smallpox:
    *Smallpox shot infects soldier’s toddler son Boy critically ill; mom also stricken By Jeremy Manier Tribune staff reporter Published March 17, 2007. Also is on Reuters news service. http://98.139.21.31/search/srpcache?p=reuters+news++child+catches+smallpox+from+military+father&ei=UTF-8&fr=ytff1-&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=reuters+news+child+catches+smallpox+from+military+father&d=4504331224547595&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=wSwtKlD7ag4AVQe8eZuAskUSzUjG4-qi&icp=1&amp;.intl=us&sig=wCdpqfF.se2yUVN2TJHF4g–&fr=ytff1-

    (this is the cache page. The regular webpage will not remain open. Hmmm, seems like they are trying to hide something)

    -Man catches smallpox through sex – and then passes it on – after partner fails to keep vaccination wound covered
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2286558/Man-catches-smallpox-like-virus-sex-vaccinated-disease.html

    *July 16, 2009 – Stricken Marine spurs lawmaker’s amendment – Marine Corps Times

    *[2009 July] Vaccine leaves nurse disabled. Nurse fights hospital over smallpox shot” & Vaccine leaves nurse disabled. Nurse fights hospital over smallpox shot The Cincinnati Enquirer • July 12,
    2009. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/smallpoxvax.html

    *Smallpox vaccine damage:http://www.whale.to/vaccine/smallpox2.html

    Dr. John Marcinak of the University of Chicago, together with CDC experts, confirmed that American Military Personnel are CONTAGIOUS after being Vaccinated

  • Whoa. I was just looking for an update on the kid. You pretty much stalked this lady to prove a point. That’s… kinda not gonna get me to sympathise with you.

  • StevePackard

    God, you people should be ashamed of yourselves. Well, we knew that already, but still. This is disgusting. His grandfather is an investor in a company that does not even make vaccines and you will not stop stalking and bullying everyone who dares to take on the lies your despicable organization keeps pushing.

  • StevePackard

    Wow. The word idiot does not even describe this statement

  • guest

    Lame and it’s been verified. Plus you’re a troll.

  • guest

    That’s… kinda not gonna get me to sympathise with you.

    Why do we care?

  • Julie Niederhauser

    Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go, do not get your license to breed.

  • Andrew

    This article is so fundamentally bonkers that the shallow end of the gene pool is demonstrably of less depth than I could even have imagined.
    If I could selectively withdraw the herd immunity I and my family provide to you and your children, I would (well, not to your children. No reason they should be victims of your ignorance. They already have to grow up with you as parents which likely is going to have a serious drag on their life prospects if they actually believe your nonsense).
    Your logic is simply no better than that of the Pakistani Taliban who is going around murdering health workers trying to eradicate polio, claiming it is a conspiracy to sterilize people. And it has as much justification….i.e. NONE.
    Idiots. I despair.

  • Freetruthforever .

    Herd immunity can only be developed naturally, not through vaccines. If you knew the history of the term instead of just repeating Big Pharma talking points you would know that. As to the gene pool, I have found that people with higher IQs question authority and think for themselves while those at the “shallow end” not only obey faithfully, but also join the mob to burn the heretics at the stake. Obviously, it is pro-vac nuts like yourself that are intellectually challenged and behave like a religious cult.

  • HearNoSeeNoSpeakNo

    Stalked? It’s called vetting, those who have learned the hard way to not take things at face value do it regularly. People have agendas that make them voice opinions one way or another, now we know Jennifer’s agenda. I bet you believe everything politicians say as well… “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.” LOL

  • AutismDad

    Narrow minded

  • AutismDad

    narrow minded

  • AutismDad

    Don’t be so hard on yourself

  • AutismDad

    VACCINE ROULETTE

  • AutismDad

    This statement meaning yours

  • AutismDad

    ANNIE THE Wicked Witch of the Web

  • AutismDad

    Good one Lowell

  • guest

    troll

  • guest

    troll

  • guest

    The word idiot does not even describe this statement.

    No, it describes you to a “T”.

  • Poogles

    “I was banned because I was an antivac”

    Nope. Anti-vaxxers are not banned for debating vaccines at SOB. I should know, I used to argue against vaccines at her site years ago – never banned, still comment to this day. I am also not the only one who has argued against vaccines on that site who still comment there regularly.

  • Don

    I agree with your statement completely.Critical thinkers have the ability to weigh the influences of bias and motive;
    they have the ability to think critically about selfish motives, unethical /immoral purposes or agendas. Critical thinkers are by nature skeptical. Critical thinkers are active, they are not passive and they ask questions; they don’t just follow authority blindly accepting whatever they are told. They ask questions and then they analyze. They consciously apply tactics and strategies to uncover meaning or assure their understanding. Critical
    thinkers are open-minded individuals. They study things piece by piece and sort things out. They can poke holes in weak
    arguments; i.e. they can “poke holes” in the spin that that shills for Big Pharma tend to propagate. Non-critical thinkers are
    closed-minded individuals; they take their facts as the only relevant ones. They take their own perspective as the only sensible one and they take their goal as the only valid one. It’s black or white and if you question; you’re labelled and discredited. You’re with them or against them; despite the fact that most of the so called “anti- vaxxers” repeatedly say that they are not against all vaccines; we simply want vaccines that are safe. These are all tactics employed in an attempt to isolate and discredit; it
    does seem to hark back to what happened to the Jewish race in Nazi Germany. The so-called “anti-vaxxers” are simply not allowed to have a voice; they are silenced by mainstream media. All we are questioning is the safety and efficacy of vaccines; and with good reason. Why can’t we just have an intelligent discussion about this issue? Why does it have to be such a polarizing issue? Or is this by design? After all, you can’t put a person that’s awake back to sleep; we know the truth and we’re not going back. Big Pharma is only concerned with keeping those that are asleep… “ASLEEP.” They want to keep what they have because slowly
    but surely people are waking up; there is a shift happening and Big Pharma is worried about that. I’ve not seen one intelligent argument on the pro vaccine side. I have seen a lot of logical
    fallacy arguments that are intended to discredit, deflect and misrepresent. They are not even very good at it- (as you can see by the Hibben-White note,) and it’s pretty easy to spot even easier to “unwind their spin. “As Benjamin Franklin said, “It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.”

  • AutismDad

    Like I care

  • AutismDad

    Next time just post DUH

  • Poogles

    You’re the one going around acting all butthurt that you were banned, or like it proves something about SOB. Just setting the story straight for others. What you care about means less than nothing to me.

  • AutismDad

    I had an thought today that its the elders of the world that handle the HERD immunity with the natural, long term immunity they’ve had for decades.

  • AutismDad

    Move to Bulgaria

  • AutismDad

    like I care

  • tz1

    Polio is serious but not always fatal so I didn’t mention it.

    There is no reason to get a smallpox vaccine today. It was found that milkmaids got minor cowpox but were then immune from smallpox. And it was a simple vaccination with a bifurcated needle only when outbreaks occurred that finally ended it.

    Given the limited time of protection and the virulence, if anyone had actually caught smallpox, it would have been treated like the seriousness of Ebola with the infectiousness of measles. Since hundreds didn’t get infected and die, it wasn’t actual smallpox. An actual article is here: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-03-17/news/0703170122_1_smallpox-vaccine-eczema-vaccinatum-vaccinia
    Which I quote:
    The Indiana boy is in critical condition with eczema vaccinatum, an unusual side effect of the smallpox vaccine that can affect people who receive the shot or their close contacts.
    Doctorsalso said the boy appears to have passed the infection to his mother, who has a much milder case of the virus in the smallpox vaccine, which is also called vaccinia. The virus is not smallpox, though it is similar
    enough to offer protection from that deadly disease, which was declared eradicated in 1980.

    So they had a bad reaction to cowpox, not smallpox.

    As to Polio, I haven’t researched it as much, but I expect the same reactions, I just don’t know what is the

  • Don

    As far as I’m concerned annie, you should be blocked totally. Why would we have a discussion with shills over this serious issue of safety of vaccines. It’s ridiculous talking to people like you. We want a serious and intelligent discussion and we’re talking to people like you? We may as well talk to a drunk on the street.

  • Don

    Steve…you better do your research better before commenting. Do you really want be to have to come back and make you look stupid?

  • Don
  • Andrew

    what. Utter. Bollocks. Here are some global statistics on measles deaths: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

    I guess you will dismiss the World Health Organisation as “Big Pharma” though and will deny this.

    I guess you also want to bring back polio and smallpox as global diseases as well. And hey! What about leprosy? OK, not something you can vaccinate against but treatable very easily due to your “Big Pharma” as is any number of diseases and infections.

    Yes – there is a small percentage of people for whom vaccinations are not effective. That is a fact of life but it is a tiny percentage (the vaccination is over 97% effective).

    Yes – there is a tiny percentage of individuals who have reactions up to ands including death as a consequence of vaccinations.

    Offset this againt the fact that “during 2000-2013, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 15.6 million deaths” (WHO).
    There is a direct CAUSAL relationship in the US to areas with increased measles outbreaks and failures to vaccinate.

    From both an individual and from a group protection perspective, not to vaccinate yourself and especially your children for whom you have a responsibility is not only irresponsible, it verges on the criminal.

    And no, there is NO link between MMR and autism. Just because there is a correlation, there is not necessarily a causality and the erroneous belief there was has been totally and utterly debunked as bogus. Utterly and in every way.

    By the way – if it was all a Big Pharma conspiracy…then Big Pharma would be pushing this bogus claim so they could sell separate vaccines and improve their profits, wouldn’t they?

    So your logic falls down EVEN HERE!

  • Andrew

    nonsense. I understand how science works. You, clearly, do not. And if you want to debate your questioning authority as a defining factor of IQs….there are a few “Ancient Alien” conspiracy sites I would suggest you review if you really believe what you wrote!

  • Just those who are callous provocateurs. We have a fairly free format as long as it remains civil.

  • Norbert

    I’m a measles survivor. So are a lot of the members of my generation and all the other generations who lived before there was such a thing as a measles vaccine.

  • Andrew

    then be glad you are part of the as little as 45% who survived historically in some unvaccinated populations.

  • Andrew

    because there is simply no evidence of the widespread dangers of vaccinations and certainly not in comparison with the benefits. At all. Do your research. PROPER research.

  • MaryMoo

    No one has died in the US since 2003 of measles

  • Andrew

    and your rationale for moving to Bulgaria (a country I first visited aged three) is…what, exactly?

  • Andrew

    try reading this as a start to your education:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
    Actually – for contagious diseases it matters not one whit whether someone is a disease survivor or effectively vaccinated. Because that is the biological effect of vaccines and is how they work.
    Of course – one COULD argue deaths from measles might eventually lead to a human population immune to it by random mutations leading to inherited survivability.
    Yeah…like that was going well before vaccinations….

  • LaylaW

    How is your week going anti vaxxers? you ask. Well i can’t speak for all of them but I can assure you for many of them it went something like this……No Sleep – Several seizures – one of more trips to the doctor and/or emergency room – attempting to work between therapy appointments – a few private moments crying alone so no one see’s how vulnerable they are – loving their child more than anyone can possibly imagine – jumping for joy because your teenager made a sound that almost sounded like ‘mama’. trying not to blame themselves that their 16 year old is still in diapers and drooling – thanks to that “perfectly safe vaccine” that you allowed your doctor to give him. Oh poor you – did you spend a week worrying if your child might have a perfectly manageable illness caused by exposure to a vaccinated individual. gee – how’d you possibly get through a week like that?!? my heart just breaks for you.

  • Andrew

    100 adverse reactions. But no deaths from measles. Which was running at an average of 440 measles deaths a year prior to vaccinations….

  • LaylaW

    and at least 108 have died from the vaccine. why are we even arguing about this????

  • Andrew

    we do not have smallpox and no one needs be immunized against it today because vaccination caused its extinction.
    The above links are demonstrating your complete lack of understanding and are actually embarrassing. Not a single one of these links is an example of smallpox being “caught” or anyone having it. Silly in the extreme.
    And polio WAS well on the way to eradication. 30 years of war in the Af-Pak region, a lack of medical care and now the Pakistani Taliban murdering health workers claiming a conspiracy to render infertile children means it is making a comeback.
    Actually – how does that feel? Sharing an agenda with the TALIBAN??? Because that is what your ignorance leads to. Congratulations.

  • Andrew

    correct. Because of vaccination.

  • Andrew

    If you are a parent with this experience my heart truly bleeds for you. But you are in a minority – a tiny minority – compared to the parents of all the dead children who would exist, had measles not been effectively eradicated due to vaccination. No one is saying there are not occasional and extremely terrible reactions to vaccinations. It happens. But exceedingly rarely.
    As compared with the hundreds of deaths annually from measles alone that occurred just in the US prior to vaccination. Hundreds. Every year (10 year average was 440 a year, so you know).
    You are not one of those parents of a child dead from a preventable disease, are you? BECAUSE OF VACCINATION.
    And as a parent of a 4 month old, I am prepared to take the tiny risk of vaccines against the very real risk of not vaccinating.

  • SN

    You should look up the actual meaning of and means to herd immunity. You would then know that this is not something attained from vaccines. Ask a farmer. So again before throwing phrases such as this around because you heard it on some news story do your homework. You put so much faith in a vaccine that has recently raised questions about its effectivenes. I myself have chosen to vaccinate my oldest child. There is much displaced anger on the side of “pro-vaxers”. We should be angry with the companies that create the vaccine. We have now risked the indisputable side affects of a vaccine and it isn’t even as effective as we were lead to believe. If my child has just as much risk with or without the vaccine I’ll go without. At least I can trust the measles virus it is what it is. It does not seek to cover up any dangers or harm done nor does it stand to gain financially.

  • Andrew

    108 since 1963 – compared with the over 4,000 dead in the ten years before the vaccine came in (so it would be well over 30,000 by now without vaccines, given the stats and population growth).
    So yes. Why ARE we arguing, exactly….?
    108 versus 30,000 plus.
    You do the maths.

  • Andrew

    p.s….to help you, the answer is at least 29,892 up because of vaccines……plus all their descendants…..

  • Andrew

    and I vaccinate my son primarily for his own safety. However, I am glad it also provides a wider protection for all babies too young to receive vaccinations, and for the 3% or so of people for whom they are ineffective.
    That is a wondrous outcome of science and of vaccination. Truly wondrous.

  • Jill Carey-Lickley

    Because of sanitation. Even vaccinated kids in unhygienic countries still get the diseases they were vaccinated against.

  • Andrew

    sanitation certainly plays a part in disease vectors. Even with measles, certainly, although it is difficult to prevent with “sanitation”, given how it is transmitted.
    But “No one has died in the US since 2003” is not due to sanitation. It is due to vaccination.

    “Even vaccinated kids in unhygienic countries still get the diseases they were vaccinated against.” – yes, for the small (about 3%) of individuals for whom vaccination is ineffective.

  • guest

    Please provide independent data that confirms that vaccination provides protection for anyone. Vaccination makes children contagious. Walking petri dishes. Typhoid Many….. I await the study that confirms that vaccines are safe, effective and provide protection to the masses. If you can’t produce than you are just another tool of the pharma industry.

  • AutismDad

    So we are rid of you.

  • guest

    As compared with the hundreds of deaths annually from measles alone that
    occurred just in the US prior to vaccination. Hundreds. Every year
    (10 year average was 440 a year, so you know).
    Measles deaths abated 98% prior to the vaccine development.:
    Source CDC’s National Vital Statics Reports.

    “compared to the parents of all the dead children who would exist,”

    Please provide verifable sttics of the dead children Acceptable will be names, age, date of death, cause and a link to their online death certificate.

    “You are not one of those parents of a child dead from a preventable disease,”

    1.Please provide Independent verifiable study/data that confirms the effectiveness and safety of a childhood vaccine . 2.Also, provide Independent data that confirms that said vaccine prevented an illness. 3.Please also provide Independent scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

    Also, everyone on this board knows you and Andrew are trolls because you guys come in packs like wolves. Maybe if you had read some of the earlier comments you would have discovered similar comments have already been made on this board.

    I await the data I requested. Thank you.

  • AutismDad

    Troll

  • Jill Carey-Lickley

    Please explain why scarlet fever, for which no vaccine has been developed declined at the same rate as all diseases in this country. Consider outhouses, shared bath water, community water barrels with on ladel, open sewers, no hand washing….

  • Poogles

    Yes, yes, we know, any person who disagrees with you in the slightest is deemed a troll. Like I care ;)

  • guest

    JAMA study done by the CDC. Yea, that real unbiased. That’s like the fox doing a study on the hen house after he’s killed all the hens but the study states all hens are accounted for.

    How the Government’s Vaccine Policy is Infected by Corruption:
    -Mortality in the U.S. due to influenza, varies from year to year.
    According to the U.S. Department of the Census, mortality rates due to influenza dropped suddenly in 1945 and has stayed under 10/100,000 since. However, the CDC has more recently been collecting and publicizing data that combines the mortality due to influenza, with that of mortality due to pneumonia. This
    clouds the perspective with which we are now able to view the
    effectiveness of the various preventative and curative methods currently available.

    There is a huge difference between the data the CDC
    collects and publishes, and the recommendations they make. For instance the CDC Sentinel study of H1N1 (CDC, 2009) showed that H1N1was 0.0556% fatal. In other words it was very mild compared to most influenza’s. However, despite knowing this, the CDC incited widespread fear of the disease. http://www.greenmedinfo (dot) com/blog/how-government%E2%80%99s-vaccine-policy-infected-corruption-1

    CDC states 36,000 people a year die from the Flu. In 2009 the CDC, along with the WHO initiated a massive swine flu campaign. Thousands were going to die if they didn’t take the shot. A couple of months after the Fear mongering campaign began and milions were being shot up with God knows what, it was discovered by the CDC that Swine Flu was not showing up in any of the culture hospitals were testing. So this information did get out to the press the CDC sent memorandums to all hospitals and medical facilities to STOP testing for Swine Flu. The reason given was a pandemic had been declared so there was no point. At a news briefing given by CDC director Dr. Thomas Frieden, Sharyl Attkisson questioned him on why they were no longer tracking Swine Flu cases. He wasn’t even aware that order went out: http://www.cbsnews(dot) com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/.

    The WHY was discovered a couple of years later when access to the data from 2009 was obtained via FOIA. In 2009, there were only 18 LAB CONFIRMED flu cases and NOT flu swine.

    Jon Rapport interviewed Sharyl Attkisson. She told him the following:
    “…we discovered through our FOI efforts that before the CDC
    mysteriously stopped counting Swine Flu cases, they had learned that almost none of the cases they had counted as Swine Flu was, in fact, Swine Flu or any sort of flu at all! The interest in the story from one [CBS] executive was very enthusiastic. He said it was ‘the most original story’ he’d seen on the whole Swine Flu epidemic. But others [at CBS] pushed to stop it and, in the end, no [CBS television news] broadcast wanted to touch it. We aired numerous stories pumping up the idea of an epidemic, but not the one that would shed original, new light on all the hype. It [Attkisson’s investigation] was fair, accurate, legally approved and a heck of a story. With the CDC keeping the true Swine Flu
    stats secret, it meant that many in the public took and gave their
    children an experimental vaccine that may not have been necessary.”
    You can read the entire False Flag event here: https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/category/swine-flu/

    As far as the journal article you posted: “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”
    Harvard Medical School’s & Former Editor of The New England Journal of Medicine Dr. Marcia Angell, author of The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It.

    *Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries Of Official Statistics:
    https://childhealthsafety.files.wordpress (dot) com/2009/02/vaccines-did-not-save-us-e28093-2-centuries-of-official-statistics.pdf

    *The questionable contribution of medical measures to the decline of mortality in the United States in the twentieth century“. McKinlay JB, McKinlay SM, Milbank Mem Fund Q Health Soc. 1977 Summer; 55(3): 405-28. http://www (dot) columbia.edu/itc/hs/pubhealth/rosner/g8965/client_edit/readings/week_2/mckinlay.pdf

    *“Symposium: Accomplishments in Child Nutrition during the 20th Century. Infant Mortality in the 20th Century, Dramatic but Uneven Progress” Myron E. Wegman School of Public Health, University of Michigan: J. Nutr. 131: 401S–408S, 2001. http://jn.nutrition (dot) org/content/131/2/401S.full.pdf

    The CDC: A Truly Corrupt and Dangerous Organization: http://vactruth (dot) com/2014/09/10/cdc-corrupt-and-dangerous/

  • guest

    The Institute of Medicine (IOM) now admits:
    “Vaccines are not free from side effects, or “adverse effects””

    This admission came after a review of more than 1,000 vaccine
    studies, which was intended to assess the scientific evidence in the medical literature about specific adverse events associated with eight vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella (MMR); varicella (chickenpox); influenza; hepatitis A; hepatitis B; HPV; diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis (DtaP); and meningococcal. The adverse events selected for IOM review were ones for which people had submitted vaccine injury claims to the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). A convincing causal relationship was found for 14 adverse events and certain vaccines.
    -14 Dangerous Side Effects Linked to Vaccination, IOM Report States:
    Institute of Medicine: Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and Causality August 25, 2011. http://www.iom (dot) edu/Reports/2011/Adverse-Effects-of-Vaccines-Evidence-and-Causality.aspx

    100 Compiled Studies on Vaccine Dangers: http://www.activistpost (dot) com/2011/09/100-compiled-studies-on-vaccine-dangers.html

    Neurologic adverse events following vaccination; Progress in Health Sciences; Sienkiewicz D., Kulak W., Okurowska-Zawada B., Paszko-Patej G.

    Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity:http://journals.plos (dot) org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0008382

  • guest

    If I could selectively withdraw the herd immunity I and my family provide to you and your children,

    Herd Immunity doesn’t exist. Never has. The OBSERVATION of A.W. Hedrich, was based on natural derived immunity-not vaccines. The observation was on an observation of children who contract wild measles. VACCINES WERE NOT a part of the observation. Measles vaccine was not developed or distributed until 1963. Hedrich OBSERVATION was done in 1930-31, paper was published on September 27, 1932. Mass vaccination didn’t begin until 1967-8 in which according to the CDC measles eradication would be done by 1967:

    -On 1st November 1966 US Government vaccine experts announced
    momentously to the world in a paper presented to the American Public
    Health Associations meeting in San Francisco, November 1,1966 that
    measles was to be eradicated in 1967 and just 55% vaccine coverage would do the trick. You can read it for yourself here in this formally
    published paper by those experts: EPIDEMIOLOGIC BASIS FOR ERADICATION OF MEASLES IN 1967. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC1919891/pdf/pubhealthreporig00027-0069.pdf

    Herd immunity is not an immunologic idea, but rather an epidemiologic
    construct, which theoretically predicts successful disease control when a
    certain pre-calculated percentage of people in the population are
    immune from disease. The fact that the CDC and their legion of corrupt doctors that terrorize the population with the myth of herd immunity shows that they are permanently stuck on stupid.

    There are measles outbreaks in populations that are as much as 100% vaccinated. Dr. Gregory Poland of the Mayo Clinic stated in two paper that the measles vaccine has failed.

    2012: The measles vaccine has failed, he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Poland sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues. This is unexpected and a worrisome harbinger — measles outbreaks are occurring where they are least expected,” he wrote in his 2012 paper, listing the “surprising numbers of cases occurring in persons who previously received one or even two documented doses of measles-containing vaccine.” During the 1989-1991 U.S. outbreaks, 20% to 40% of those affected had received one to two doses. In a 2011 outbreak in Canada, “over 50% of the 98 individuals had received two doses of measles vaccine.”
    Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/
    http://business.financialpost (dot) com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/

    1994: Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.
    Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons.
    Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
    Conclusion: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Because of the failure rate of the vaccine and the unique transmissibility of the measles virus, the currently available measles vaccine, used in a single-dose strategy, is unlikely to completely eliminate measles. The long-term success of a two-dose strategy to eliminate measles remains to be determined. http://archinte.jamanetwork (dot) com/article.aspx?articleid=619215

    Dr. Gregory Poland, is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. He is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.

    ****The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons.****

    “Your logic is simply no better than that of the Pakistani Taliban who is
    going around murdering health workers trying to eradicate polio.”

    You are sooo wrong. The Taliban is not killing heath workers because of the Polio Vaccine. The killings are to prevent genocide of their children. The CIA has already admitted going into various Middle East countries to collect DNA and to give vaccines not needed. These covert programs have been going on for decades:

    -White House admits staging fake vaccination operation to gather DNA from the public: http://www.naturalnews (dot) com/045318_fake_vaccines_DNA_harvesting_White_House.html
    -Vaccination Ruse Used in Pursuit of Bin Laden: http://www.nytimes (dot)com/2011/07/12/world/asia/12dna.html?_r=1&
    -African Women Injected With Vaccines Laced with Anti-fertility Hormones: http://vactruth (dot) com/2014/12/10/tetanus-vaccines-cause-infertility/
    -Bill Gates: We can lower the world’s population with vaccines: http://www.whale (dot) to/b/bill_gates1.html
    -Massive Brazilian Vaccination Raises Suspicions of Covert
    Sterilization Program: http://www.whale (dot) to/vaccine/braz.html
    -United States Funding Sterilizations of Philippine Women: http://www.whale (dot) to/vaccine/ster.html
    -Rockefeller Foundation Admitted Funding, Developing Anti-fertility Vaccines Intended for “Mass-scale Distribution”: http://www (dot) whale.to/c/rockefeller.html. Yearly Report: http://www.rockefellerfoundation (Rockerfellas) org/uploads/files/1496d619-017d-4b13-8a64-fce8ed4f785d-1968.pdf.

    During the early 1990s, the World Health Organization (WHO) had been
    overseeing massive vaccination campaigns against tetanus in a number of countries, among them Nicaragua, Mexico, and the Philippines. In October 1994, HLI received a communication from its Mexican affiliate, the Comite’ Pro Vida de Mexico, regarding that country’s anti-tetanus
    campaign. Suspicious of the campaign protocols, the Comite’ obtained
    several vials of the vaccine and had them analyzed by chemists. Some of
    the vials were found to contain human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG), a
    naturally occurring hormone essential for maintaining a pregnancy.
    The Known Facts:
    Here are the known facts concerning the tetanus vaccination campaigns in Mexico and the Philippines:
    * Only women are vaccinated, and only the women between the ages of 15 and 45. (In Nicaragua the age range was 12-49.) But aren’t men at least as likely as young women to come into contact with tetanus? And what of the children? Why are they excluded?
    *Human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG) hormone has been found in the
    vaccines. It does not belong there — in the parlance of the O.J.
    Simpson murder trial, the vaccine has been “contaminated.”
    *The vaccination protocols call for multiple injections — three within
    three months and a total of five altogether. But, since tetanus
    vaccinations provide protection for ten years or more, why are multiple
    inoculations called for?(3)

    The WHO and The Task Force for Global Health are pulling the same stunts in the Middle East & Africa.

    Rockefellers’ as well as Bill Gates are members of the Task Force for Global health and contribute millions towards vaccination initiatives. This is why the Taliban is killing health care workers they feel are in league with people who would commit genocide on their people under the guise of health care. Members of the Taliban are said not to be educated. It’s too bad they figured this out a long time ago but you bought into the CIA propaganda. They probably feel this is the only way to protect their future. You wouldn’t understand that.

  • AutismDad

    What a slimeball you are. Try reading the nightmare she’s living. She doesn’t need your crapola.

  • AutismDad

    rraaawk rraawwkk

  • AutismDad

    You can’t be. You must be posting from the grave.

  • AutismDad

    DOGMA…..watch where you step

  • AutismDad

    No there’s no world wide autism phenomenon where the majority of parents claim their child had a terrible reaction to one or more vaccines. And of course its correlation that they watched in horror and still live it. Only CDC, MERCK and GlaxoSmithKline have evidence. No World Wide isn’t wide spread enough right? And we are not talking about the benefits we are talking about adverse reactions. Quit minimalizing them/

  • AutismDad

    Who gives a crap what you think you sociopath.

  • AutismDad

    Can’t be proven

  • Amanda

    I have no intent on telling either parent that they are right or wrong regardless of their choices. I personally just feel like no matter what route you take you are gambling with your childs life, and its up to each individual parent to decide which gamble they will take. It is unfortunate that it has come to that but it has. I personally felt very pressured into vaccinating my first born, and I was very ignorant about vaccine safety at the time, so she received a full schedule of vaccines. However I did know more about this debate my second time around, and I felt even more pressure with my second born. He is almost 2 years old and has received about a third of the vaccine schedule before I decided that I couldn’t take it anymore. All of the pressure from both ends, family, friends, the media etc, its overwhelming because either way if something happens it falls on you as the parent. So my only word to express how I feel about this subject is GAMBLE. That’s all. I don’t judge either side because I have been on both. I just wish all parents and their families a lifetime of health and safety. I hope that one day we can reach a more unanimous outlook and not be so hateful to one another when all we are looking out for is the health and safety of our kids and our peers. Thanks for taking time to read my thoughts, have a great day!

  • Poogles

    “The Institute of Medicine (IOM) now admits:
    “Vaccines are not free from side effects, or “adverse effects”””

    There was a time that vaccine side-effects/adverse effects were denied to exist? I’ve never seen any scientific group or person claim such a thing, could you please provide a link to a their previous position on vaccines? From what I can tell the IOM has been issuing reports on the side effects of vaccines since the 1970’s.

  • Tammy Brown

    Tomato…to-maa-to. If a few kids have to be sacrificed to an infectious disease like measles, for the good of the “herd” (that being the rest of us) to protect our neurological function, oh well, go suck it up. For years the CDC has been willing to “sacrifice” a few of us to their toxic vaccines for some alleged “greater good”. Guess what? Some of us lived. LIKE ME! And we’re ANGRY! Most of us, me included, got NO COMPENSATION! So go tell someone you “love” vaccines who cares. Buy as many vaccines as you want, get every one available, but don’t expect me or any other severely vaccine injured person, or parent who has a vaccine injured child to care. As compared to the few who die of measles, those suffering vaccine injuries are HUGE numbers! The CDC uses inaccurate data to make it look like very few are vaccine injured. VAERS reporting is less than 10% so when you look at those numbers, you need to realize that you’re dealing with less than 10% of actual vaccine injury, including death. You may have my dose for you child, and any future doses of any and all vaccines. WE ARE DONE!!!

  • Tammy Brown

    That’s 108 REPORTED. If you realize that VAERS is less than 10% of actual reporting, the number starts to look more like more than 1000 dead, and substantial injuries.

  • Tammy Brown

    Define “work”. Vaccines may or may not provide short term immunity against a germ that may or may not ever be present around that person. The damage from contaminants in vaccines is very real and very dangerous. Why would anyone want short term, if any, immunity rather than lifelong natural immunity from a shot that can cause permanent injury or death against a germ that may never be encountered? It’s time for the vaccine manufacturers to be held liable for the terrible quality products that American consumers and their insurance companies have purchased for decades. Let’s hold vaccine manufacturers liable for product contamination, ineffective product, unsafe product, and false advertising, to name a few.

  • Andrew

    sorry – who is a slimeball and why?

  • Andrew

    given you just asked me to provide death certificates of people who are not dead because they did NOT die of measles….your request is slightly difficult to fulfill. Assuming you are just illiterate as well as stupid, and you actually are asking me for certificates of those who died before 1963….oh please. That is one of the most moronic things I have read for a fairly long time. Which is saying something.
    There are plenty of independent studies proving the efficacy and safety of vaccines – OTHEERWISE THEY WOULD NOT BE USED. Apart from you won’t believe them whatever they say as you will merely accuse them of being “Big Pharma”. Because that is what you do.
    And I like how someone who objectively challenges your pseudoscientific rants with data and figures (something you cannot do I note!) gets the riposte of “troll”….
    Go figure.

  • Andrew

    you have so little understanding of the basic biology here I cannot use small enough words that you will understand….the evidence is there, available and widespread. Apart from you will deny it exists and scream “BIG PHARMA” whatever anyone says. Because you are incapable of assessing the data objectively and see what you want to see….it really is as simple as that.

  • Andrew

    and Andrew Wakefield was a scapegoat of Big Pharma and should have received the Nobel Prize for Medicine I suppose? Yada yada yada….

  • Andrew

    utter nonsense. There is no evidence WHATSOEVER of a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. You are simply – despite what I expect to be a personal first hand experience given your handle here – wrong.
    Andrew Wakefield, the source of this, was found guilty of THREE DOZEN counts including misrepresentation, bringing the medical profession into disrepute, and showing “callous disregard” for his own patients.
    And yet…you continue to believe this charlatan….
    And I have said numerous times there are occasional adverse reactions to vaccines in some people. I am not minimizing that at all.
    But the figures do not lie, either.

  • Andrew

    no one has ever claimed side effects do not occur. The IoM link actually argues against your own case!!!

    http://www.iom.edu/Reports/2011/Adverse-Effects-of-Vaccines-Evidence-and-Causality.aspx states “The committee finds that evidence convincingly supports a causal relationship between some vaccines and some adverse events such as MMR, varicella zoster, influenza, hepatitis B, meningococcal, and tetanus-containing vaccines linked to anaphylaxis.” Anaphylaxis is, since you do not seem to understand the term, an allergic reaction which can in extreme cases be fatal. This is accepted as fact.
    It goes on to state: “Additionally, evidence favors rejection of five vaccine-adverse event relationships, including MMR vaccine and autism and inactivated influenza vaccine and asthma episodes. However, for the majority of cases (135 vaccine-adverse event pairs), the evidence was inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship. Overall, the committee concludes that few health problems are caused by or clearly associated with vaccines.”
    Sorry – which part of this do you NOT understand????

  • Andrew

    I am now a “sociopath” huh? Really? On what basis do you draw this conclusion? You clearly do not give a crap for basic facts.

  • Andrew

    As you are clearly ignorant, you may not have realized the internet has made it as far as Bulgaria :-)

  • Andrew

    it has clearly been proven there IS NO LINK between vaccines and autism. And yes it has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt apart from those who refuse to believe facts and look at the numbers. And yes, vaccines save lives.

  • Andrew

    if they do what you just said how come no class action has been launched given you lovely American litigious society?

  • Andrew

    ignorant hypocrite. ;-)

  • Andrew

    all important factors I agree. But this does not disprove the efficacy of vaccines.

  • Andrew

    wrong. Herd immunity can be gained either from being naturally resistant to a disease (genetically or having survived it) OR via vaccination (where the vaccination is effective). I do not need to ask a farmer – I own a farm. :-)

  • Andrew

    You state “Herd immunity can only be developed naturally, not through vaccines.” …. This is factually and scientifically incorrect.

    And about your “higher IQs question authority” point…. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/facebook-conspiracy-theorists-fooled-by-even-the-most-obvious-anti-science-trolling-study/

    Oh dear…. :-D

  • Diane

    I do not know if it is right or wrong to vaccinate. I had the measles as an infant and lived through it. I did vaccinate both my children. My question is this to parents. Would you rather have your child alive at any cost or not here at all due to a disease that could have been prevented?

  • Chris

    Then do it, get your children vaccinated, by all means.
    That’s your choice and if you needed a ride to get your kids to wherever you go for them; I’d be happy to take you there. I won’t judge you and I won’t try to talk to you out of it. All I ask is that you don’t judge me for the decision that I make not to. Please don’t feed me the propaganda line that I’m selfish because I’m affecting your kids; my kids will make your kids sick because
    that’s all that it is ..propaganda and the same old rhetoric; lies to make parents like us feel guilty, and to again, create the polarization between parents of vaccinated and non-vaccinated children that I spoke of in my earlier post. If the vaccines are effective, then your children should be protected. It’s the vaccinated children who spread disease; (as you can see, it was a vaccinated person that so-called exposed this woman’s baby to measles.) I say “so-called” because public health contacted her 13 days after the baby was so-called exposed; what a joke…yeah, we can trust public health agencies too. Why has there been a “vaccine court” established in US? There has been 3 billion $$ paid out to vaccine injured families since 1989 -3 billion $$ in the US alone represents a huge number of proven cases that should raise alarm bells. Do you really think that this represents a handful of families; how many, 1 hundred families, 300 families? A tiny risk, Give me a break. Not to mention the fact that the families have to prove that there children were harmed by the vaccine or they would not receive a dime. As well, the fact that Merck is before a federal court right now for misrepresenting the efficacy of the MMR vaccines. Take a look at the case; there’s several charges of fraud. If they are misrepresenting information to the public about the efficacy of the MMR vaccine; what else are they misrepresenting? What about the handful of other big players in the competitive market, what are they misrepresenting?

  • Migmar

    Then why have you not banned AutismDad, yet? He makes posts calling people the most vile names and they are never removed.
    Is it because he only attacks people that oppose the misinformation that is so prevalent on this site?
    Hypocrite.

  • Olivia Sporinsky

    We don’t know that every virus/disease can always be prevented in every person. We seem to think we, as humans, know all and can prevent all. We don’t and we can’t.

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  • Dd

    Dr. Mark Geier discusses aspects of the flu vaccine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvXIqUyOdK4&feature=share

  • Dd
  • Dd

    We need more people like Dan Burton to speak up like this.
    This is from 2002 – and the statistics on autism were 1 in 200.
    As of 2014 the stats are 1 in 50.
    At this rate, in 20 years plus, a large portion of the population will be adults with neurological disorders and/or autism.
    If you think the health care system has problems now. . . . . . .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F__NIq35Ul4&feature=share

  • Dd

    Sourced from The U.S. National Library of Medicine
    The document contains over 300 pages of peer-reviewed evidence showing over 200 adverse effects (including death) linked to vaccines.
    The download is free. Share far and wide.

    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/200-evidence-based-reasons-not-vaccinate-free-research-pdf-download

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  • Dd

    Dr. Mark Geier discusses aspects of the flu vaccine
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  • Dd
  • Dd

    We need more people like Dan Burton to speak up like this.
    This is from 2002 – and the statistics on autism were 1 in 200.
    As of 2014 the stats are 1 in 50.
    At this rate, in 20 years plus, a large portion of the population will be adults with neurological disorders and/or autism.
    If you think the health care system has problems now. . . . . . .
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  • Sequana

    Please get your facts right.
    1) Measles has not been eradicated and in fact, this may be in part due to the vaccinated spreading the disease.
    2) Vaccine injuries may be a minority but it is not small! It has been estimated that only 1-10% of vaccine injuries are reported.
    3) The incidence of measles (of which mortality was a very small percentage) had already decreased DRAMATICALLY before the vaccine was introduced. It was not the vaccine which caused this decrease. It was improved hygiene and sanitation.

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  • innate1

    the guy who’d spout stats that are not supportable. Your “tiny minority compared to the dead children prior” comment rates pretty high on the crapola/slimeball scale. Check rates of incidence of disease falling prior to vaccination. More importantly, your claim of risk benefit is founded on nothing. You have no data on safety save for comparing kids with 37 vaccines to a 38th and claiming they’re all safe because the drug companies and CDC can’t find any differences between kids with x vaccines and x+1. Well, no s–t you can’t. (except when the CDC DID find it, they hid it – the subject of a lawsuit in progress) Claiming to be more scientific than thou because you’ve evaluated the risk benefit for all of us? That would be why that’s slimebally.

  • scotdocbri

    Love this blow by blow response. I was going to write something similar but decided she was too stupid, uninformed, and had a disgusting lack of concern for others to bother about! Thanks for taking the time.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Do some more research on the death rate of those who have been vaccinated on schedule. I think you’ll actually find that those who have followed the schedule are less healthy and a good percentage of them have died due to the crazyness of the toxic chemicals in each vaccine, multiplied in the combined vaccines.
    The risks of not vaccinating are much more “tiny” than you think compared to the real risks of exposing your children to all the viruses and toxins in vaccines.

  • Free People

    CDC = Centers for Disease CREATION and PROLIFERATION!

  • LeAnn Addleman

    I would actually rather have a child who is free of disease and free of side effects from toxic chemicals. The effects from toxic chemicals in vaccines are mostly lifelong and debilitating for child and parent. The inconvenience of having measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc. as a child to gain lifelong immunity is much more desirable to me than having a child who will need lifelong care because of neurological damage from the toxins in vaccines.

  • Free People

    “a disease that could have been prevented?” – by what? Most certainly not by a Lab CONcoction of putrid matter INJECTED directly into the body of innocent children. Where’s the proof – there is NONE and VAXINC cannot provide any proof vaccines work against disease. Keep trolling for pennies.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Actually he and his coauthor have been exonerated and yes he should receive credit for the scientific studies he has done and his willingness to put himself on the line for information that the medical “profession” and big pharma didn’t want people to have. It’s all about profit.

  • Free People

    Excellent open letter to Jennifer Hibben-White however, early on I came to the conclusion that Jennifer Hibben-White was well paid by pHARMafia for her ‘letter’ against those of us who do NOT vaccinate. These paid people will say anything they’re told to just to keep the blinders on the people.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Unless you live it, I guess you can’t accept it or understand it.

  • Andrew

    my facts are right. And provable. Unlike your “may be a minority but….” which is unverified OPINION and cannot be backed up by facts there are none! And I never said measles has been eradicated. Clearly it has not. Smallpox has been – which killed THREE HUNDRED MILLION people in the C20th prior to its eradication due to vaccination.

  • DBird

    this is the best thing i have read in so many months now!!!!!! Finally someone talks back!!

  • LeAnn Addleman

    You are so right. Couldn’t have said this better.

  • Andrew

    I have never said all vaccines are safe. Clearly they are not. And yes, individual pharma companies have at times behaved improperly and likely fudged trial data and some side effects.
    But none of that negates the fundamental point and raison d’etre of vaccines.
    That is what you simply will not see.
    And risk benefits ARE for the population as a whole as well as for the individual.

  • Andrew

    and that also was a verified fact not “crapola/slimeball”. Peak measles deaths were in 1958. go look it up.
    I challenge you to disprove one single figure I have quoted – and sourced.

  • Norbert

    Mortality rate for measles remains at .2% (1/250), althou has been as high as 10% in undeveloped countries. 440/yr out of how many cases between 1953 and 1962? (I was not one of the 440). How many deaths per year from influenza?

  • Andrew

    Actually no they have not and he remains struck off the medical register with 3 dozen guilty findings. So not exonerated in any way, shape or form. And yes – it was all about profit. HIS. Look it up. Really.

  • AutismDad

    Wakefield was a respected researcher who stepped over the line and caused embarrassment to the British Vaccine program. He wasn’t a true whistle blower like CDC William Thompson but because he and two others refused to deny their findings, while 10 others saved themselves, they were crucified. Their hearing (was not a trial) by the General medical council was meant to punish them, nothing more. Professor John Walker Smith was later EXONERATED by a real court of law and REINSTATED and the judge called his council case unlawfull. So your facts are the bogus lies made up by Brian Deer, a hired assassin who worked for MMR maker GlaxoSmithKline, who was hired for his expertise in creating incriminating accusations from thin air. And no evidence whatsoever? Vaccine injury courts have compensated easily 100 cases. But I guess you’d rather support the lies and those at fault than know the truth.

  • guest

    I couldn’t have said it better!!! Amen to that!!!!

  • guest

    Um, think EXHONERATION!!!

  • AutismDad

    Anyone who calls victims of vaccine injury ignorant and no better than Taliban has to have some major mental affliction. Based on your statements, threats and behavior I picked the one you appear to be.

  • Andrew

    my facts are right. And provable. Unlike your “may be a minority but….” which is unverified OPINION and cannot be backed up by facts there are none! And I never said measles has been eradicated. Clearly it has not. Smallpox – which killed THREE HUNDRED MILLION people in the C20th prior to its eradication due to vaccination.

  • AutismDad

    Whats clear is that you believe anything the media feeds you. Looking at numbers of MAYBE’S and POSSIBLY’s is not science and its not factual. You seem to have issues with language and word comprehension. How can someone believe facts that don’t exist except in the form of possibles or hypotheticals? You make it sound like its true but its not really backed as you say, and you give no thought to alternative explanations. Saving lives cannot be proven. Damaging children with faulty product HAS been proven and compensated for in the BILLIONS of dollars.

  • innate1

    Unlike your “may be a minority but….” Ummm, I was quoting you there in voicing your OPINION. Those were your words. You think if I used them (I didn’t) it’s opinion, and when you use them, it’s based on science? Which I mentioned, doesn’t exist but you ignore such to make your points on efficacy again, that they are safe or safe enough to make the judgement that it’s a small enough minority to vaccinate everyone. You base your opinion that the risk is worth the reward, on what you claim are facts derived from x vaccines placebo group compared to x+1 vaccines test group “research”. Thus, your opinions are not backed up by facts other than how you’re using the efficacy numbers, but on safety they are your opinions. Which you are perfectly entitled to. But, don’t beat up on the vaccine injured. That’s like bitching out Iraqi vets if they speak out against war.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Actually if you think about it, he profited nothing from telling the truth, unlike the medical “profession” and big pharma who profit very handsomely by telling people lies.
    Dr. Wakefield’s life was all but destroyed because he was willing to tell the truth. He continues to tell the truth.
    How much do you make pushing the big pharma lies?

  • AutismDad

    Its not WE, its them. Its science that whats to be lord and master. We have synergistic with creatures that inhabit our bodies. Our genome made up mainly by them. we received benefits from them in digestive, immune and genetic ways. But the germ theory of illness and disease aggressively throws out the baby with the bath water. A human body is altered by chemicals and epigenetics outlines that fact that spontaneous gene mutation is real. Almost any substance ingested or injected produces benefit or negatives, and the balance is sensitive. As we see babies facing 36 or more vaccines there could be no better example of a good idea gone bad. Unfortunately the ideology is entrenched, its corporate, its government and its more powerful than a number of random parents claiming harm done. How and why one group of humans can harm others with little concern seems to be more a thing that we should have put past us long ago, but we still find greed and violence and sociopathic, psycopathic charcters in all areas of live and there seems to be no cure for that. Its difficult to accept that vaccines are so damaging, but thats for the greater good. Visit a special needs classroom and ask yourself is this the greater good?

  • AutismDad

    Thats a twisted almost cruel question. Its moot to those who are not harmed. But is it a fair question to ask victims? It easy to ask when you are not affected.

  • AutismDad

    Immunity with no adverse effects, hey I’m fine with that. But a child who will never talk, pass a grade, have a girlfriend, drive a car, or know what anything really means, like who is Mom or Dad, the price is too steep. Get me a time machine and back we go to go without vaccines especially as a baby, and see is autism caused by them.

  • AutismDad

    Losing Dan Burton to retirement is a blow to all hope. 2 congessional hearing achieved as much as no hearings.

  • AutismDad

    You should judge those responsible. Vaccine makers have a history of faulty, fraudulent products…lovely. Government has a history of lying and covering up, and unashamedly protecting vaccine makers from lawsuit, no matter what. Mainstream medicine has a history of lying, being dogmatic, looking down on parents, and supporting and bowing down to Government and Pharma. Why should we GAMBLE with our children? For the common good? And where is the common good when it comes to treating and supporting adverse event victims and ther families? Where are the agencies that protect us from faulty products? Where is law enforcement and courts? Well they are instructed to turn a blind eye for the greater good. Destroying children and families and dividing our society for the greater good.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    To most sane people who can see the truth, it doesn’t take much to connect vaccines to autism. When you take a well, happy, laughing, playing, cooing baby in to a “well baby visit” with the doctor, he’s shot up with 7-9 live or killed viruses with additives and adjuvents and he regresses into autism like symptoms when you get home or goes into a seizure before you even leave the doctor’s office, I just don’t get why they can’t make the connection. It’s insanity!!!

  • AutismDad

    Wow. How dare you claim to have sympathy or empathy. You applaud ALL effects of vaccines by defending ONLY the good. There is no logic or excuse to imply that collateral damage is minimal and occassional. If your child becomes an adverse effect victim you won’t be having a party or sending thank you cards to CDC.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Oh yeah!!! Makes perfect sense to me!!! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

  • AutismDad

    Wow another statement devoid of truth. You sprinkle verifiable, provable, facts through this load of garbage WITHOUT so musch as one iota of proven fact. Your personal rants are not science. They are worthless.

  • AutismDad

    Again not one iota of proof. Just more blah blah and rraaack rraaacckk from the biggest parrot on here.

  • AutismDad

    Possibly because you are insensitive and your statements have no merit. Paul Offit called he wants his personality back.

  • AutismDad

    You haven’t provided anything but personal belief/ media amplified lies.

  • AutismDad

    You almost said something meaningful. You almost showed you ARE human. Then you went back to being a parrot with issues of grand manure

  • AutismDad

    You are in the running for this years TROLLBELL prize for vaccine propaganda. For outstanding work in misinformation spreading and meaningless commenting.

  • AutismDad

    CDC called, they have your cash ready

  • John

    A MASTER PIECE. WE NEED TO WAKE UP AND STOP THESE CRIMINALS TO DESTROY THE LIFE OF OUR CHILDREN. I cannot imagine that a person could be so evil to use the death of his own child to convince other parents to bring their children to slaughterhouse.

  • AutismDad

    I really really want to call you names that suit you, but I promissed I’d be nice. Feel free to imagine what I think of you and what body parts, bodily functions or sexual connotations I might have considered.

  • AutismDad

    The day will come when he is exonerrated. Each day we are moving closer.

  • AutismDad

    Only Professor John Walker Smith was, by a real court. He was suing the General Medical Council. The judge call his kangaroo court decision UNLAWFUL and Walker Smith was FULLY reinstated and will now, in retirement receive all due benefits.

  • Free People

    “the US with 1st World healthcare”? Haha! You mean with 1st WORST healthcare! Not one country in the world loses as many people to pHARMafia, Medico Mafia and deadly bacteria infected and incompetent hospitals as the USA does. Good thing obama$care is putting out many of these QUACK medico-mafia so-called doc$$$ who are resigning or quitting because they will not accept ‘government wages’ for their quackery.

    The only thing vaccination eradicates are people and pets and their experimental Lab animals.

  • AutismDad

    As usual you are misinformed. Imagine my LACK of surprise.

  • AutismDad

    I haven’t, but will. Thanks for all your efforts. And keep giving this Andrew OFFIT a hard time.

  • Free People

    Well done LeAnn!!!

  • Free People

    Excellent documentary! Everybody who cares for their good health and life and that of their children need to watch it.

  • Free People

    Clinging to LIES about Andrew Wakefield doesn’t provide any proof whatsoever that vaccines do not CAUSE autism and all the other horrifying auto-immune disorders, permanent disabilities, and deaths that vaccines do CAUSE!

    Repeating the Dr Andrew Wakefield LIES over and over, expecting people to believe them, is not working for you.

    “Tell a big LIE, repeat if often, and it will be believed.”
    –Mein Kampf “ask your doctor if this is right for you.”

  • Venita Garner

    that was FABULOUS!! so much common sense that most provaccine people never demonstrate. in fact, I have yet to meet a provaccine idiot who has even read the package insert. that includes the doc’s giving shooting up the patients.

  • edna

    Thank you so much for this post! I have been on the no vaccines for my children since 1985!Thanks to a good doctor that asked a young mother to question the reasons behind me consenting to vaccinations for my newborn.Reading every book that out there, especially, Shot in the dark I grew more convicted to never inject my child with poison. My first son, now 30 years old never received the vaccines…Never been seriously sick a day in his lifetime…While other children in our family cousins, developed allergies and complications after the vaccines in a few cases autism…My children stayed healthy.Now my grandchildren are in danger and believe me I am standing strong against forced vaccines! Like Gandhi said ” Even if you are a minority of one. The Truth is the Truth” Brightest blessings to all…e*

  • AutismDad

    I guess its why we have conservatives (dogma, stuck in neutral, backward thinking, knuckle dragging, fur bearing) and Liberals (open minded, forward thinking, intelligent, attractive, likeable)

  • Betrayal of the Ages

    How brainless are people?

    People tend to believe MD’s or those who hold PhD’s to be benevolent.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyR2XeLjYTU

    People are quick to believe that just because a “new study” says something, that it must be infallible. Or that conveniently the pharmaceutical statistics are portrayed in their favor.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf
    *Search* “measles” and you’ll come to a graph showing you death rates of 1,900-1960’s; when was the first measles vaccine introduced? The late 60’s. Yet if you don’t do any digging, you’ll only find graphs that show rates from the early 60’s to when the vaccine was introduced. Conveniently, it paints a picture of “look at the numbers drop when we introduced it!” Oh, well shall we look at the TREND a full six decades prior?

    This is the fallacy we call, correlation does not equate to causation.

    The logic behind injecting foreign agents into your muscle is asinine. Your body doesn’t know what to do with that. How and why would your body know what to do with foreign elements being directly injected into your muscle?

    In other words, to be put simply; do you believe a vaccine is more effective than our own immune system? If given the right materials, the human immune system can fend off ANY degenerative disease. Yes, ANY degenerative disease. “Oh well what about cancer?!” Look into Hippocrates, that’s all I have to say about that.

    It is our own bodily nature to heal ourselves. Modern science does not have access to that level of health, healing and prevention, only GOD has access to that level, and by default we ourselves, our own body.

    Some people who still support vaccines need to wake up to this reality. Stop relying on vaccines, rely on your own defense, the immune system. Proper nutrition (COMPLETE nutrition), sanitation, and a general knowledge of healing/health alternatives that aid our body in its defense and rebuilding is what will save you, not a vaccine.

  • GG

    Tiny minority? 1:6 children with learning disabilities due to aluminum, formaldehyde, MSG, foreign DNA and RNA from aborted fetuses, monkeys chick embryos is a minority? 1:50 children with autism is a tiny minority? We’ll soon have a country of just people who can’t think due to the genetic mutations caused by the viruses and toxic elements in vaccines and you call that minority? We have epidemics of cancer and autoimmune diseases and that’s a minority? You can read all the scientific studies cited in the article above and a lot more in the web (not published by the media of course) where is clear the connection between vaccines and brain damage and you still think that’s a tiny risk? Are you aware of all the autoimmune diseases that your baby can develop during his/her lifetime due to the viruses and toxins that uninformed parents let pharmaceutical companies to inject in that tiny body? I’m not talking about doctors because they are manipulated since they enter the medical school, so, it’s hard to blame them all…but the facts have been proven by science and is not in the first page of yahoo or on the TV because obviously the media is all controlled by the same people, otherwise we would be able to see the other side of the story, I’m not talking about autism only, I’m talking about all the pain an suffering caused by Multiple Sclerosis, fibromyalgia and a lot of autoimmune diseases that are growing as a result of the vaccine disaster….I Pray God to protect your baby…..

  • Lea

    Great post. If only more parents were as enlightened as you, we would not have to watch future generations suffer needlessly from lifetime neurological & autoimmune dysfunction.

    I have never seen so many cases of allergies, asthma, ear infections, tonsillitis, chronic coughs lasting months, autism, ADD, seizure disorders, eczema, sleep disorders & behavioral problems in children as I see now. They are now building entire schools for special needs students. Is this where our modern “miracle” of advanced medicine has led us? It’s horrific!

    Yes…Gandhi had it right!

  • PatriotGranny

    You do realize the there are far more liberals than conservatives trying to push forced vaccination, don’t you?

  • Stacey Borenstein Clay

    I’ve seen pleny of liberals for vaccines too. I’m very conservative and I’m against vaccines. I guess I’m still unlikable, stupid and ugly? I’ve always liked your posts and thought they were very intelligent but this one leaves me speechless.

  • PatriotGranny

    Stacey – apparently AutismDad hasn’t seen the comparison pictures of liberal women vs conservative women. The “ugly” sure isn’t on the conservative side, lol. And then there’s Michael Moore….lol!!!

  • Stacey Borenstein Clay

    Back when I was little in the 60s no one even went to see the doctor when they had measles. And my mom was a nurse so if it was dangerous she would have known. Doesn’t sound too deadly to me.

  • PatriotGranny

    I would like some opinions. My daughter is a “force vaxxer” so I can’t really discuss this with her. I have a very unique situation. I have one grandson who is autistic, and looking back we can see that it was pretty much in his cards from birth, so it was definitely not caused by vaccinations. However I have another grandson and here is his situation: He was shaken when he was 3 weeks old and he nearly died, he also sustained significant brain damage. He ended up having a vp shunt put in, which he still has (he’s 6 now). Once he recovered he quickly “caught up” and was meeting and exceeding all his milestones. His many doctors and care providers called him a “miracle”. He was even starting to say a few words by the time he was 1 year old (his older brother was speaking in sentences by the time he was a year old). Of note, he was also on phenobarbital his first year to prevent seizures, and he was weaned off when he was 1. He was a little late in walking, at about 15 months he started running across the floor to see how far he could get before he fell, and he was walking solidly by the time he was about 20 months old. At this same time (15 months old) he also started regressing. He no longer said any words, he wouldn’t try to feed himself with a spoon anymore, he stopped eating most foods (and still there are only a handful of foods he will eat), he developed SEVERE (and I do mean SEVERE) ADD, he has severe sensory issues, and has no impulse control whatsoever. He is now about 18 months – 3 years developmentally, but it’s really hard to accurately determine this because he is nonverbal and cannot sit still long enough to complete puzzles, etc. I have been very active the last few days in the “force vax” debate because in my state they are trying to pass a law that will remove all exemptions except for rare medical exemptions which will have to be approved by a handful of select doctors. I have seen many parents talk about how their child changed once they were immunized and have seen them describe the things that happened to their children and I realized that these are the same things that happened to my grandson, and then I realized he had his MMR’s at 15 months – right when he started regressing. We have always attributed his developmental delays to his traumatic brain injury, but now I’m really starting to wonder… Thoughts?

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  • PatriotGranny

    Measles is no more deadly than any other communicable disease.

  • Dd

    Great to hear. Please share this FREE link (expires on March 6th, 2015) with anyone that will benefit.

  • Dd

    This Canadian news report is very upsetting.

    RED ALERT !

    Stephen Harper castigated Canadians who refuse to vaccinate their kids as he announced $22.5 million in additional funding for inoculation programs in some of the world’s poorest countries.

    The prime minister announced the new funding — $20 million to strengthen immunity to polio and up to $2.5 million over two years to help eradicate maternal and neonatal tetanus — during an event Wednesday with billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/announcing-inoculation-funds-pm-chides-canadians-who-refuse-to-vaccinate-1.2253482

    The money is part of the $3.5 billion committed by Canada for maternal, newborn and child health to be spent between 2015 and 2020. Harper announced that funding last May at the Saving Every Woman Every Child
    summit in Toronto.” Stephen Harper is taking your tax dollars and feeding the pharmaceutical industry profits while they poison children in other nations!

    These people are prime examples of “psychopaths”.

  • AutismDad

    I’m not talking about politicians, I’m talking about the proper sense of the words.

  • AutismDad

    It was a SHOT at provaccine zealots. And it was in regard to another poster’s statement. You can put the noose away

  • Stacey Borenstein Clay

    Sorry.

  • AutismDad

    I wish I could make these provac parrots speechless

  • AutismDad

    So we’re friends again?

  • Stacey Borenstein Clay

    You bet! We need to stick together.

  • AutismDad

    Would I trade autism for measles? In a heart beat

  • AutismDad

    You’re spamming me? Now thats a good one.

  • AutismDad

    For the common good. Wait till we see their solution to hundreds of thousands of special needs seniors they have spawned. They will build institutions for the common good too.

  • AutismDad

    There was this malarky started in Britain that said there are as many adults with autism as children and it proves there has been no increase, just better disgnosis and awareness. To prove it, they did some counting. Here’s the joke. They counted 16 year olds and older. I mean buh wah ha ha these “scientist” deliberately counted children in the highest autism age group as adults and expect that to wash. When I hear science I cringe. Science is used as a trump card, but its such nonsense. I’ll take honesty over science (cringe) any day.

  • Lea

    Bought is a terrific documentary. No one can deny the vaccine autism link after viewing just the first 13 minutes of the documentary. When you watch the interviews of the former drug reps. and see how Big Vaccine passed off the flu shot for pregnant women as “safe”… it is truly unbelievable the depths of corruption & evil that exists in the industry.

    Thanks for sharing the links with everyone…..it is a MUST SEE!

  • AutismDad

    I wish I could find the actual number of parents who have said, after an MMR or series of vaccines my child regressed. Its a world wide phenomenon. Its why I blame vaccines, you could NEVER have a world wide event of this nature without a common denomenator. I took a university course on slavery and sugar plantations. They traced a rise in diabetes that followed the introduction of cheap and plentiful sugar from country to county. The same could be done with vaccines, especially new territory like Africa. My son is so similar to your grandchild. Its important to fight the battles with him now. He must be gently, but firmly and consistently taught, coached, trained, to prevent him from becoming frustrated, confused and angry. He needs love, my mom said If I want to hug him I will and I don’t care if he doesn’t want to. I had much success getting hugs everytime he wanted something. He came to get that and hugs became accepted. Pursue the things he likes and expand them. You won’t get as much resistance and other things become more accepted too as a consequence. Expand his food intake. I read a book about this and it involved taste. They used a spoon, but I used a syringe (needle removed of course) and did it during bath. Whatever I could put in it, orange juice, pickle just, syrup etc. He hoped for syrup. After he understood I was boss and it WAS happening he was fine. He still is fussy, but I will spoon feed him rather than give in. I also have tone and language he understands to mean its happening, no choice. He gets many simple things in that manner. None of it is abusive in any way.

  • AutismDad

    Harper is a megalomanic like Gates. He loves making himself look good by giving our money away. Our aboriginal people live in shacks and suffer from chronic unemployment, alcoholism, violence, suicide. No running water, bathrooms and many reserves are isolated. They are the federal government’s responsibility. But there’s no money. Of course not, his royal Highness keeps giving it away.

  • Dd

    From everything I’ve researched, this goes far deeper than just giving away money to third world nations.
    It’s about population reduction, no doubt you are well aware. Harper and Gates what to make sure that women of child bearing years and children receive the tetanus vaccine. I’m sure if they were given the choice, they would much rather give the aboriginal people toxic shots than provide proper sanitation, a basic human right.

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/mass-sterilization-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-un-tetanus-vaccine/

  • BLADAYADA

    Brooklyn, NY 1988; 1st well baby visit about a month after leaving the maternity ward. I mention my reservations with our pediatrician and he is open, yet errs on the side of vaccinating. He then shares the fact that is own VACCINATED son was home with the measles. I made my decision that day not to vaccinate. To this day I respect that Dr. for his openness and honesty. I’m most thankful for a wonderful, healthy, UN-vaccinated 26 yr old son!

  • Dd

    Thank you Lea and PLEASE post that link (which expires March 6th, 2015) on as many social media sites as you can and share with people that are misinformed and need some facts.

    I was listening to Dr. Andrew Wakefield last week, and he stated that in the next 20 plus years, we will be faced with a huge population of autistic adults, something our health care system will not able to sustain.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Meant for me I hope not? I am against vaccines, pro choice, parent’s choice, informed choice.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    I thought they both were. I think Dr Blaylock will be too. He knows what he’s talking about.

  • Chris

    Since all the shills are following the same script, (I’ve seen the posts about IPO..2004 blah blah blah..) here’s a lesson in business buttercup .Corus Pharma Ltd. was
    procured by Gilead Sciences in 2006. In other words, Corus Pharma did not disappear; it was taken over by Gilead Sciences; and therefore its operations,
    portfolio, and investors exist under the name Gilead Sciences. Companies are bought and sold all the time and it doesn’t mean they disappear; they exist and
    continue to operate under a different name. Anyone who invests as heavily as this woman’s father, (over 7 million shares) is a huge investor in the pharma
    industry and clearly believes strongly in its potential earnings. Do you really think that because Corus Ltd. is taken over that Mr. Hibben would take out his
    lucrative shares due to this… and put it where….?? Guess what normally happens to shares that belong to a company that gets bought out by another company in
    the same industry…they go UP. It’s a Cash Cow for her family. It’s always easy for a shill to make up “fairy tales” to try and “spin” what we know is the truth.

  • Molly Daunen

    Wait, how does the decrease in deaths from scarlet fever NOT help disprove the efficacy of measles vaccines? Without vaccination, people no longer die of a disease which used to kill just as many people as measles. A decrease in scarlet fever deaths is correlated to measles vaccination. Maybe the MMR prevents scarlet fever (and typhus and the bubonic plague and yellow fever and malaria for good measure) because correlation clearly equals causation. ;-)

  • Molly Daunen

    Perhaps because pharmaceutical companies have full legal immunity with our government’s help since the 1980’s for vaccines? Wow, you claim to know so much about this subject, but you don’t even know that we can’t sue the manufacturers?

  • PatriotGranny

    Thank you for your thoughtful response.

  • Molly Daunen

    The CDC registered an approximate 3 to 4 million cases a year of measles in those decades. So you literally had a one in a million chance of dying once you contracted the disease. One in fifty kids now is autistic, and the MMR is implicated. So, as you put it before, “do the math”.

  • PatriotGranny

    Gotcha :)

  • Molly Daunen

    According to the doctors who eradicated smallpox, quarantine, not vaccination, was responsible. Only ten percent of the world’s population was vaccinated against it at any one time. Immediate quarantine, sanitation, and so called “ring vaccination” of the immediate family was the effective method used.

  • AutismDad

    Seeing those two together is frightening.

  • AutismDad

    There are a sensitive lot posting here. Sometimes we aren’t as clear as we need to be. If you read your post, then mine you can likely see that I agreed with you, but put my spin on it. Only a response to you, not a barb. I think we need badges or something that show the Thinkers and Non-Thinkers (provacs).

  • KATHY

    I must say, as a life-long progressive Dem, I’m appalled at how COMPLETELY unified the Democrats are on the issue of forced vaccination. Total pro-vaccination; no exemptions. Even the ones I’ve admired the most, like Elizabeth Warren. The really scarey Democrats are my Colorado legislators, who are rabid on the subject of everyone getting their $hots! It’s something out of a bad nightmare for me. These are people that would fight for anyone’s rights – the poor, the downtrodden, veterans, immigrants, gays, women wanting an abortion, death-row inmates. They fight for medical marijuana and even recreational marijuana. But talk about vaccine toxicity and vaccine injuries, the vaccine whistleblowers, the need for long-term testing, a parent’s philosophical right to exempt their child from vaccination and Democratic lawmakers are absolutely adamant that “the science is clear” – vaccines are necessary for society and herd immunity. It is just mindless propaganda being repeated incessantly by people that I might otherwise respect. This includes coloradoindependent.com which used to be a joy to read. Where is this coming from? Does anyone have an answer for me?

  • Molly Daunen

    What makes me irate is how little she (and other anti-informed consent agitators) care about vaccine injured children. Now, if something bad happened to her child, such as the loss of her daughter, I would truly be compassionate and willing to learn about what happened. Mothers have an almost compulsive need to share their story, over and over again, when a tragedy happens because sharing brings some solace and may save lives. But when we, the mothers of vaccine injured children share, we are called nasty names and told we must not understand science. I have met pediatricians, lab scientists, professors, neurologists, and other professional, educated parents with vaccine injured kids. Other parents don’t work in the sciences but just spend all of their free time researching vaccine safety and effectiveness. I have seen CAUSAL evidence that vaccines can cause autism, in the form of rechallenge studies and dose-response relationships. Apparently the vaccine compensation program has seen CAUSAL evidence, too, as they have paid out at least 83 cases of vaccine induced autism – and the term “cause” or “CAUSAL” is in the decision statements I have read. It really isn’t up for debate anymore. We just need to identify the genetics of children at high risk of vaccine induced autism so we can screen them. We can’t do that until the media at large stop the PR campaign.

  • AutismDad

    Mind blowing

  • AutismDad

    Regressive autism has basically been identified as not inherited, and is caused by de novo/ spontaneous mutation, which is injury to an exposure. Personally I don’t believe genes cause autism, vaccines cause mutation which changes the blueprint. After that its somewhat individualized with ADD, ADHD, AUTISM, and other vaccine induced illnesses. What I find the most telling of a common denominator is that so many these children are harmed in a manner that = autism. Genetics in general would not.

  • Molly Daunen

    I’m an autism mom and I agree completely. Gently but firmly push a little bit more every day. The trick is not getting upset yourself when the little push evokes a tantrum or tears. You have to learn his limits, but he can’t grow and make progress without constant little pushes out of his comfort zone all day long. Our son was severely autistic as a toddler and is now much higher functioning. He is able to do some grade level work and can even enjoy things like birthday parties to some extent. He struggles every day, but he is verbal now and has made such progress! I pray that your little grandson will blossom and make wonderful progress too. You have to consider nearly all of his awake time as “therapy” and gently push, push, push, along with addressing any other physical symptoms such as food intolerance or allergies. He’s one step ahead already with such a loving, involved grandma!

  • AutismDad

    Walker Smith sued the General Medical Council after he retired. He had nothing to lose. You can bet they’s love to get him back, but they no longer hold his fate in their blood soaked hands. I imagine pension, severance pay not to mention reputation was at stake. The REAL judge was quite critical of the Council’s actions. Why Wakefield and the other fellow didn’t follow suit is less clear. Its all be twisted into media lies.

  • Molly Daunen

    Ugh. I think it was a Danish study where they changed the inclusion criteria for the year they removed thimerosal from the vaccines. So in the mercury years, only kids diagnosed as autistic at a hospital were counted. Then for children born after it was removed, they counted outpatient diagnoses too! All I can say is, read the data, not just the summary!

  • AutismDad

    Food for thought. When the U.S. government saved the industry in 1986 they sold their soul for vaccines. Whatever godforsaken contract they signed, it was a bond made in hell. When you have overkill like we saw with Wakefield you know there’s more to it. Might it be a belief in national security? We do know that faith in vaccines has existed for decades, and because of what they seem to represent, it doesn’t make sense to abandon them. Problem seems to be the faith has rwmained the same while the vaccines have changed. The dogma is strong, but blind. As we see with most ATTACKS, they use the equivalent of God is on our side. All others are Godless. Currently the push from those who have concerns is strong and growing. We can expect a pushback that may resemble the shooting of blacks. We have been villified. We are deviants. We are terrorists. We are an enemy of the people, of the state of the common good.

  • Chris

    Not to mention the fact that these trolls always try to deflect from the issue. Daddy had over 7 million in shares and I’m not going to repeat my business lesson with regards to the Corus is gone now angle, Daddy own shares and is heavily invested in the pharma industry, …even if he did take his likely doubled or more shares out of Corus Ltd….(and I won’t explain why that’s highly unlikely again), daddy is also on the Board of a hospital, etc. This rant…ugly, hateful and staged rant was in fact a sham…a propaganda spewing sham. We all know that …why would she do it? For concern of her children?? Her fear?? Look at the way she lectured, belittled and talked so much about the “myths of vaccines” exactly in the same way Global News did when they featured her facebook rant on the news. It is plain for all to see what this was about. I find the shill’s deflections most amusing….

  • AutismDad

    They have more tricks than Houdini. And each time they are exposed like a pack of rats. Japan stopped the MMR and went to singles. The study implied rates never changed. Then it was found they gave the singles on the same visit…..DUH!! Japan has since changed their stance that regarding measles, mumps, rubella its a choice. Media could expose it all if it wanted, but media is owned by conglomerates than have investments in everything, and that means all things medical. ONLY the internet offers alternative information.

  • Chris

    Excuse me??? We are not being sympathetic to Ms. Hibben-White?? I have seen many people, for one thing, express deepest sympathy for the fact that she lost her daughter 3 years ago. Having said that, this incident, however painful it was,(and is I’m sure), has absolutely nothing to do with this issue of vaccines and she should not at all have brought it up in her rant. All that served was to be manipulative, although I doubt you could even see what she was doing as it takes a critical thinker to see through that BS… she was deliberately ambiguous with regards to the loss of her child in her rant; it was intended to deceive as her entire rant was. There was no issue with baby Griffin, for so many reasons…and she knew that; she simply used him as a prop to propagate her agenda. I personally think that the use of both of her children in her rant was appalling; As a parent I can’t even imagine doing that. How about the way she treated all the parents that have deeply struggled or are struggling with the decision whether to vaccinate their children or not because of their VALID concerns of vaccine safety? Can you not fathom how difficult it must be to have your child vaccinated when you know of all the possibilities and the vaccine inserts even explain many of them? When you don’t t trust Big Pharma and rightly so, (fraud charges against them,) vaccine court in USA, 3 billion $$ paid out to vaccine injured families since 1989 in US alone?….the list goes on and on. What about her sympathy and empathy for all the families that have suffered immensely due to their children having been damaged and or died as a result of a vaccine injury? No, she wasn’t threatening to jab a needle in our baby’s arms…but she clearly had an agenda. It was was fear-mongering, bullying and propagating the theory of Big Pharma for herd immunity …(to get people to vaccinate their children) and she was also protecting her family’s investment in Big Pharma. I’m sorry, but your sympathy is totally misguided and misplaced, (unless of course you are referring to the unrelated death of her daughter 3 years ago) which is totally irrelevant. We don’t as you say expect parents not to use “modern medicine” on their children, we just know that vaccines are not safe and we are the ones being maligned and attacked for having concerns about the safety of vaccines. What an unbelievably naïve post.

  • Chris

    Here it is, in another video: cliphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVc_Jl30534&feature=youtu.be
    ….. and right from Public Health …the person that exposed her child to the measles was a vaccinated male. I take back my former post about you being naïve…you must be a shill.

  • Chris

    yes, and all the pro vaccine bloggers are silent on this issue!

  • Chris

    Yes and I posted this pro vaccine campaign exposed video on several mainstream media sites and it was deleted…

  • annie

    Well, if you would actually do your homework, which is a bit of an issue with anti-vaxxers, Mr. Hibben is not listed as a major share holder.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=GILD+Major+Holders

    Since the 5th highest share holder only has 165,168 shares, it would appear that Mr. Hibben DID sell.

    Until you have proof, maybe you shouldn’t be making accusations. That would be common sense, wouldn’t it…..

  • Don

    I think the shills need to watch Oprah’s Life Class with Deepak Chopra. With any luck they may become introspective and become better people. What they are doing; trading in their values for benefits can’t be fulfilling and won’t be good for them. I actually feel sorry for them. How can anyone feel good about doing the kind of work they do; I personally feel a negative energy in their presence on these sites.

  • annie

    I saw this comment “What makes me irate is how little she (and other anti-informed consent agitators) care about vaccine injured children.”
    May I ask – do you feel the same way about illness injuries? Do those merit the same concern?

    I will admit to bias – I am deaf from chicken pox – there was no vaccine when I was young.
    ANY injury to ANY child is a terrible thing. But, when I see comments like the one I quoted above, I always have to ask…. how little do you care about the illness injured children?

  • A Concerned Mom

    Of course, all of us mothers of vaccine-injured children (and vaccine-injured) feel compassion for anyone with an injury, whether by vaccine, illness, or other. We know what it’s like to have a child with an injury, and would never wish that on anyone.

    However, to say that any child should risk injury from a DEFINITE exposure to viruses and toxins in order to protect others in the off chance we’re exposed to a virus later on is about as selfish as you can get. Did you know that, because of the chicken pox vaccine, what used to be a middle-aged/elderly person’s disease (and a very rare one, at that!) is now very common among children, teens, and young adults? Yes, shingles is now very common, and it’s tougher to deal with than chicken pox. Also, anyone who is given any of the vaccines containing live viruses can shed those viruses for a month or more. One of those live-virus vaccines is varicella (chicken pox and shingles), and others are MMR, and oral polio… there are others I can’t remember off the top of my head, it being 2am. But, for this reason, those with compromised immune systems (on chemo, etc.) are told to avoid the recently vaccinated. Because they can be contagious. Just thought you’d be interested to know that.

    Also, if you are ever on the other end (and I hope you never are), you’ll understand one major difference between having an illness-induced injury and a vaccine-induced injury. When you tell people that you’re deaf because of the chicken pox, people aren’t going to roll their eyes at you, or make off-hand comments about you being a conspiracy nut, or tell you to stop listening to playboy bunnies, etc. But if you tell people that your child was put in the hospital with a potentially deadly autoimmune disease because he got the MMR vaccine, you’ll have to deal with all that and more. No one will disbelieve your story, but mine… if half the people that hear about it actually believe it could be true, it’s a good week. You’re not a social pariah for talking about your injury, but the vaccine-injured and their parents often are made to feel they are. A little perspective for you.

  • Lucia

    Wooo hooo! Touche Stephanie M. Curry, Touche indeed! Jennifer Hibben-White, you Madam, are a absolute, uneducated, pathetically biased Moron!

  • annie

    You make some REALLY good points (and I am not being sarcastic).

    I can see where people would roll their eyes… and I am not saying that is the right thing to do, because it isn’t. I have to admit, I have rolled my eyes sometimes too, and that isn’t right.

    I think a big part of the problem that you face, is the anti-vaxx side has a small, but very vocal, group of people who believe the most amazing conspiracies. I won’t say that the pro-vaxx side is completely sane. We have our share of crazies too. But, that small group sometimes overwhelms discussions with talk of chemtrails and Illuminati and reptilians, and people focus on the strange, and end up generalizing an entire group, when that is not the case.

    And you are right – people see my disability, and it is easy for them to relate it to the illness.

    I think another battle you face, that I have never had to, is that the reporting system in place is a joke. VAERS allows anyone to report, but rarely are any followed up on, to try to show causation. So, what I think was intended to be a good thing, ended up being a farce (if you search “pregnancy” on VAERS, you will get 80 hits – I just can’t see how pregnancy is an adverse effect of a vaccine).

    In my case, proving causation was easy…. it isn’t as easy for you, and I can’t imagine how frustrating that is.

    I appreciate that you took the time to explain the things you did to me. You made me look at things that I hadn’t looked at hard enough.
    I have to admit, I get my back up when I see the “what about vaccine-injured children” because so rarely do people say “what about those injured by the illness” (but everyone comments on deaths, on both sides of the fence).

    But, you took the time to explain, without just calling me a brainwashed troll, or a shill, or other names.

    Thank you.

  • Tracy

    you are not deaf from chickpox – you are deaf from poor nursing and care when you were sick with the chickpox – a vaccine would not have stopped you from getting ill….

  • guest

    What are you talking about?

  • guest

    Anytime you inject the word conspiracy and anti-vaxx you are nothing but another thug troll slinging BS. A heartless soulless one.

  • Don

    She isn’t deaf from the chicken pox…she’s shill and I’ve already seen a few shills using that line. They all use the same lines…they’re scripted.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    I thought we were on the same page on this issue. Just making sure we didn’t stray.

  • Don

    Lil’ annie yes indeed, another dumb shill spin that lacks in
    common sense. …a yahoo finance page page…really?? Let’s take a closer look at your shill nonsense;
    another common sense business lesson for annie. 1. You
    provided ZERO in the way of evidence that Hibben sold his shares 2. Your argument that he is not a major shareholder (investor) in Gilead Sciences does not
    take away from the fact that he was a “MAJOR” investor in Corus Pharma that was bought out by the “mammoth” pharma company, Gilead Sciences. Unless you’re Bill
    Gates, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to be a Major investor in such a mammoth company such as Gilead Sciences. 3. Corus stock value was approximately around 2-3 dollars per share when it was sold to Gilead; Gilead Sciences’ Shares (who took over Corus’ operations in 2006) is now valued at over
    $100 per share…are you staying with the tour annie…’cause it gets better. Let’s now take a look at the mammoth size of Gilead Sciences: 4. Gilead Sciences ALSO acquired the following pharma companies: Myogen, Inc. in 2006 for $2.5 billion, Raylo Chemicals, Inc. for $148 million in 2006, Nycomed fr. Altana – Cork $47 million in 2007, CV Therapeutics, Inc. for $1. 4 billion in
    2009, CGI Pharmaceuticals $ 120 million in 2010, Arresto Biosciences, Inc $225 million in 2010, Calistoga
    Pharmaceuticals $375 million ($225 million additional w/ milestones) in 2011, Pharmasset, Inc $10.4 billion in 2011, YM Biosciences, Inc $510 million in 2013, Phenex Pharmaceuticals up to $470 million in 2014. In
    conclusion, lets tie the bow to this pretty picture that’s unfolding shall we? …Common Sense has revealed that Corus Pharma and its investors struck oil when Gilead
    Sciences came knocking on their door. Common
    Sense has revealed that Corus Pharma is in the big leagues now, (as being part of Gilead Sciences,) and all its investors celebrated as their share values
    continued to rise. Corus and Hibben clearly have hitched their wagon to a star, and this star, (Gilead Sciences) continues to grow exponentially with no end in
    sight. Common Sense has also revealed that not being a MAJOR shareholder in an absolute MAMMOTH pharma corporation, that’s worth multi billions, does not mean
    that you don’t have a personal MAJOR interest and stake via your 7.5 million Corus shares that were converted into Gilead Sciences’ shares. Common Sense has revealed that annie, (the shill) failed to do her proper research, (which is common with “pro vacciner”
    shills.) On a side note, it cannot be overlooked that Hibben is also the Director of Mount Sinai Hospital Foundation. Annie the shill has again demonstrated that common sense always trumps a dumb shill’s spin!!

  • A Concerned Mom

    Thank you for actually taking the time to read my response. Wow. And thank you, too, for trying to understand my perspective. Not many do. For my part, I do apologize for any snark that may have come through my comment. I’m so used to people either not reading, or reading only to find ammo to shoot my comments down. And don’t even get me started on checking in on places like Facebook to see how friends and family are doing… all the memes about how I’m part of the problem for not vaccinating my children…

    You’re absolutely right about VAERS, btw. People who can’t initiate lawsuits against the manufacturers (I’m sure that, since you know about VAERS, you know that the vaccine injured have no legal recourse against the manufacturers. Sure, we could sue them if our heart medication causes us injury, but not if our child is injured or killed from a vaccine) are left with only VAERS. As if it weren’t difficult enough for victims to be compensated (many have been waiting 3 years for their case to be reviewed), there are people who amuse themselves by reporting false “injuries” and further clogging up the system. Some are probably just trolls who get perverse pleasure from making things difficult for others, but some are anti-choice people who think they’re proving a point. The only point they prove by doing this is that they’re heartless beings.

    One doctor, who is anti-choice, thought he would be funny and prove a point by reporting that a vaccine turned him into the Incredible Hulk. He was apparently vocal in his belief that vaccines are safe.

    The sad thing is that doctors are “required” to report ALL adverse events. But the wording on the VAERS website does everything to discourage that, and further discourages reporting by making the process extremely tedious. The person filling out the report has to have all information in front of them, because the online form times out after just 20 minutes. Once that happens, they have to start over at the beginning.

    I was lucky. Our doctor, even though he’s pro-vaccine, had no doubt that our child’s injury was the result of the vaccine. Unfortunately, VAERS doesn’t feel that simply developing an autoimmune disease for which you must spend time in the hospital, be given immunoglobulin to stop your immune system from destroying your blood platelets, and spend the next two months as a pin cushion so that they can make sure you’re not relapsing is injury enough. Unless you require surgery. Or you relapse. Even though they won’t contest that the injury was caused by the MMR vaccine, we still have to shoulder all the costs associated with it. We get no compensation. I mean, how could they pay out for EVERY injury? It’s paid for by a tax of $.75 for each vaccine component. When you take into account all the people that work at that agency, in the vaccine court, etc., just how much can they pay out? And that’s just the monetary expenses. We were extremely lucky. I mean, he *could* have died from the autoimmune disease from a mild hit to the head that wouldn’t normally slow him down, but he is now (almost) fully recovered. Some of these injured kids are permanently damaged. Some of these kids end up in wheelchairs. Some die from their injuries. If you go to the manufacturer websites and read the adverse reactions and contraindications listed on the vaccine inserts, you’ll be floored.

  • A Concerned Mom

    Counter question: Why should any child be expected to shoulder the responsibility by ABSOLUTELY being exposed to a toxic chemical, DNA, and viral/bacterial concoction in order to protect others from the *possibility* of being exposed to a virus that the vast majority will have no complications from?

  • A Concerned Mom

    Sadly, many of those that I’ve butted heads with on this topic are Liberals. The majority of those in groups I’ve talked to who are pro-choice on this are either independent, libertarian, green, or no party, but since the majority of elected officials of both parties that have spoken out about

    vaccines are pro-vaccine or anti-choice, I think the majority of the people in pro-choice groups have little faith or trust in either of the main parties.

  • Chris

    annie: Did you say , that the 5th highest shareholder in Gilead Sciences ONLY
    has??” Are you for real?? annie, what are you smoking these days? You make no sense and it’s laughable! This is what happens when Big Pharma pays shills who are “bottom feeders” in the pro-vaccine game and make pennies on the dollar; they incriminate themselves with stupidity! annie 165,168 shares multiplied by the share value of $103 dollars ,(in Gilead Sciences) has a value of approx. 170 million dollars!!!!! So you would
    have the intelligent people here believe that just because Hibben does not have 170 million dollars invested in Gilead Sciences, that he has sold his shares?? What kind of idiotic logic is that? As I said annie, go back to the drawing board and try not to insult the intelligence of all the intelligent people here that can see through your spin.

  • rick

    In 100 years what percentage of scientific fact will still be true? Well if it comes from academics probably a lot. If it comes from corporations who publish science in their best interest, fund science in their best interest, and market science in their best interest, I say less than 20%. Sadly vaccines and medicine fall largely into the later group. My only choice is to say I’d rather roll the dice and count on a fully developed immune system. Ms. Hibben White apparently did a nice job of either being played or being hypnotized by a way of thinking that many people feel good about signing up for. Not me. Ms. Curry. Nice job.

    While we are at it can someone explain to me how herd immunity helps me once someone with measles was on the roller coaster at Space Mountain just before me? Is this a theoretical construct? It doesn’t appear to hold water if I am actually facing exposure. If you want me or my family to take a vaccine, it should be completely safe, have no toxins in it and actually work if I am actually exposed to the disease. As in produce antibodies that are effective in immunity. I think, no?

  • rick

    what’s shill?

  • Chris

    Annie, I share with A Concerned Mom my thanks for your intelligible and thoughtful response. With people like you we can actually share useful information!

    I’m the dad of an unvaccinated 1 1/3 yo boy, and once we had an allergy doctor seeing him because he has had eczema since birth. The doctor made some comment complaining about the whack job parents who don’t vaccinate, and I had to somewhat sheepishly admit I was one of them. To his credit the doctor honestly asked me what my reasoning was, and I was able to explain it simply:

    1) They don’t help. The idea that vaccines saved the world from all those horrific diseases like smallpox, polio, mumps, measles, etc., is a fraud. I learned this by looking at the data in Dr. Suzzane Humphries’ book “Dissolving Illusions”. I don’t have any special medical training but I look at data for a living, and the data she presents all tell the same story. All the diseases, without exception, were on the order of 90% to 99% gone from the population at the time the vaccines were introduced. The vaccine manufacturers are taking credit where it is not due. Dr. Humphries concludes in her book that it was improved sanitation and nutrition that saved humanity.

    2) If my son catches a disease we can fix him easily with vitamin C or other oxidative therapies such as ozone. I learned this from cardiologist/lawyer Dr. Thomas Levy’s book “Curing The Incurable”, of which approximately 1/3 of it’s pages consist of citations to peer reviewed journals. Some of the most inspiring papers I found were from Dr. Fred Klenner, who, starting in the 1940s, began treating people with IV Vit C. It worked so well that he said eventually, when a sick person would come to see him he would hook them up to IV Vit C and then do a diagnosis. He reported that in one instance there was a polio epidemic in his town, and he cured 61 out of 61 cases with Vit C. This included one little girl who was completely paralyzed in one leg, and 85% paralyzed in the other leg by the time he got to her. He had her back running around and playing in about three days if I remember right.

    In fact, according to some things I’ve read you actually want your child to catch measles, maybe in the 5yo to 9yo range. Supposedly it helps the immune system to mature. As one poster noted, good nursing is the key to getting them through this, plus high dose Vit C or other oxidative therapy.

    Some evidence is accumulating that oxidative therapies may even be able to take down ebola: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/can-vitamin-c-cure-ebola. See also Robert Rowan youtube videos or http://www.docrowen.com/ for examples of ozone therapy miraculous results.

    So the answer to the illness injured children people is that sadly, the injury didn’t have to happen. There is just a huge body of knowledge that has been suppressed so many people have not heard of it.

  • Chris

    See my post above. You can have it both ways. Don’t take the risk of vaccinating and then use good nursing and proven oxidative therapies to get your child through the illness to come out of it with permanent immunity and a stronger immune system in general.

  • Jill Ballard

    Thank you for saying what needed to be said, backed up by factual links and solid scientific information. I have watched, helplessly, as my next door neighbor has allowed her Pediatrician to give her baby 2 sets of vaccines, at 6 months and again at 9 months. In each case, her baby became so critically ill that her child had to be hospitalized 3 times WITH EACH VACCINATION. I have begged her not to do it but her Pediatrician tells her that her beloved baby boy will die if he gets infected by measles. That is Patently false.
    Sending Blessings of Love for such a well written response to idiocy.

  • Chris
  • Ben William

    Jennifer Hibben White is most likely a big pharma lobbyist, and the measles story a complete fabrication. BECAUSE, not only does this women have major ties to the pharma industry, lobbying laws (for large corporations) are so liberal that when lobbyists ‘lobby’ to the public, THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED BY LAW TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS WORKING FOR LARGE CORPORATIONS. This is NOT an isolated case of this kind of thing going on .

    I doubled dared Voices For Vaccines to to take me to court when I posted on my blog that they are NOT a grassroots organization as they claim but, a lobbying front group for the pharmaceutical heavily funded “Task Force For Global Health’. They threatened me but, UNFORTUNATELY ran with their tail between their legs when I simply pointed to THEIR OWN disclaimer that they ARE “A PROJECT” of the ‘Task Force For Global Health’. MEANING they ARE the ‘Task Force’ Itself. DUH!

    It’s NOT the measles that in dangers ALL OF US. It’s all the lying and deceptions by corporations that want to force their VERY DANGEROUS products literally into our veins

    BTW-
    I figured this story was a fraud when it was reported this person brought her 6 mo old baby to an EMERGENCY ROOM for a ROUTINE checkup. What doctor in their right mind would have a mother bring a 6 month old to a germ filled emergency room? I wonder if a doctor at that hospital called their drug rep once a measles case came threw the door and this person was hired to make senseless claims.

  • Glenn Watkins

    Good Job exposing this rot!

  • annie

    Don, you still haven’t shown any evidence that Mr. Hibben still owns the shares.

    As the accuser, it IS your job to prove that he has them. It is NOT my job to prove that he doesn’t.

    All I have done is pointed out that the so-called evidence that you have is incredibly weak at best.

    If he supposedly had 7 million shares in Corus, and it was converted to Gilead, it would make sense that he would have more than the 168000 that the 5th largest shareholder owns.

    You spent paragraphs ranting about share values and profits, but nothing you said actually proved that he owns the shares.

    Show me evidence – show me a link. You have not. I don’t care what his interests are – I want you to show me PROOF that he still owns the shares that you have said he does. That is all I ask – why is that so hard?

    You can call me shill all you want.

    But, you know what I see?

    I see a woman, who lost her first born…. and whose second was potentially exposed to an illness that could kill a 15 day old child. She was scared, and felt helpless – and probably more scared than most mothers would be, because of losing her first born.

    She ranted on facebook, to a nameless, faceless entity, to blow off steam and try to describe her fear (what many mothers have done, both pro- and anti-vaxx).
    Her rant went viral – which is not her doing.

    Then what happened was that a small group of anti-vaxxers attacked her – personally….. and her family – personally, which is a whole lot different than a generalization.

    Not only did they attack her, but they made accusations, which have still been unproven.

    Whether she was right or wrong in her beliefs, she did not attack an individual….. anti-vaxxers did.

    We could argue all night about whether her views on vaccinations are right or wrong. But what is wrong, is to attack a mother, and attack her family, without making sure that you have absolute 100% evidence.

    The personal attacks against this woman are disgraceful.

    What would you say if the roles were reversed?

    What would you say to people who would attack an anti-vax mom who had lost a child, and who thought she may lose another?

    What would you say to those people who are calling her names, calling her family names, questioning her ability to be a parent?

    Disagreeing over an issue does not give anyone the right to attack another person like what has happened to her, and her family.

    And, Hibben being the Director of Mount Sinai Hospital Foundation is relevant how?

    So Don… you have made accusations against this woman, and her family. Post a link that PROVES that Mr. Hibben still owns the shares.
    Don’t hypothesize, or conjecture, or theorize. Provide proof. As the accuser, show that you have the facts, to support your accusations. You have not done that.

  • annie

    Chris,

    The reason I said “only” is because there are those who say that Mr. Hibben had 7 MILLION shares of Corus. Had that been converted to Gilead, one would think that those 7 million shares would convert to a LOT more than the 168000 shares that the 5th largest shareholder has.

    When comparing 7 million shares to 168000, the second amount is “only” as in “small” when compared to 7 million.

    You asked “So you would have the intelligent people here believe that just because Hibben does not have 170 million dollars invested in Gilead Sciences, that he has sold his shares.” You tell me…. where did they go?

    It is very possible he sold the shares, and has invested elsewhere.
    It is very possible that he sold the shares and bought properties.
    It is very possible that he sold the shares, and gave some to charities or to his children.

    The question I continue to ask, and which no one has shown me evidence of, it what proof do you have that he DOES own the shares? So far, I have seen none.

    And, since the accusation is that he DOES, it is up to the accuser to prove that fact, not just make conjectures.

    All I want to see, is a link that says “Alan Hibben owns X many shares in Gilead” or Alan Hibben has invested X many dollars in Gilead with a repayment of Y, interest of Z, and repayment of Q.”
    I want to see a financial statement showing that he is a lender to the business….. something… something current…. that provides proof… so far, I haven’t seen it.

    You can call me names all you want.

    In this whole situation, what I see is a mom…. a mom who lost her first born, and was very afraid that she may lose her 15 day old newborn, and that she is scared, and completely helpless. I can’t imagine the fear.

    In her fear, she went to facebook to rant…. to vent her fears. Her attack was on a nameless, faceless entity… was it warranted? It is easy to say no, now….. but at the time, when she thought she may lose another child, put yourself in her shoes. You would want to blame someone…. anyone….. too….

    Since her post went viral (which was not under her control), she has been attacked personally…. her family has been attacked personally….. people have attacked her with name-calling, and questioning her ability as a parent.

    I wonder…… if she had been an anti-vaxxer…. and had posted a rant about pro-vaxxers in general….. and pro-vaxxers tracked her down, and barraged her facebook and email with endless name-calling and threats…. and the same to her family….. how would you feel about that?

    Is it right???? Is it right to attack her and her family? What it the roles were reversed?

    You can call me names all you want…. but to attack a mother, without seeing that she was just doing what ANY MOTHER would do, try to protect her child the best way she knows how…. is soulless.

    Now you can come back at me with “but pro-vaxxers do that”… yes… some do…. it doesn’t make it right….
    I don’t care if it is provax or antivax…. it isn’t right to attack a person, attack them as a parent, and attack their family.

    You can call me names all you want…. but I still want to see evidence…

  • annie

    Were you one of the doctors who cared for me?
    I don’t think so… so your opinion is invalid.

  • annie

    Call me all the names you want.
    You are not, and were not, my doctor, so your opinion is invalid.

  • annie

    You didn’t even read my post to A Concerned Mom….

    My post was that the conspiracy theorists HURT the anti-vax side…..

    There are anti-vaxxers, like A Concerned Mom, who have legitimate issues with vaccines… have done their homework, and are fighting an uphill battle…. who do everything right, and still get kicked in the ***.

    Then you have the ones who think that everything revolves around the Illuminati, chemtrails, The Powers that Be, the 5 Controlling Powers, that the government is going to chase us all into underground tunnels and hold us hostage, and other conspiracy theories that are straight out of science fiction movies.

    The conspiracy theorists do so much harm to the anti-vax side…. because people see those ones, and think “Wow, anti-vaxxers are NUTS” when that is NOT the case…

    There are some here, again like A Concerned Mom, who present very VALID reasons….

    And you know what? She is the first one on this thread, who really REALLY tried to explain things to me…. when the rest here just called me “jihad” “Shill” “Nazi” “Soulless thug.”
    She is the first one who has made any attempt to have a really good conversation, and hopefully allow me to ask questions, without just being called names.
    She is the FIRST one, who has made me look at my position and think “whoa….. I need to look at this again… ”

    So, you can keep calling me names….
    But so far, the only one I respect here, is A Concerned Mom… because she is the one who has really posted a good comment… and something worth thinking about.

  • annie

    A Concerned Mom….
    I have to tell you….. you are the very FIRST person, who has posted in a way, that made me really see some of the issues you face.

    And, I have to thank you…. for taking the time to talk to me, and not just call me names, or accuse me of lying about my disability (like others have done here).

    There are a few things I need to say….. to the doctor who posted on VAERS….. he should lose his license… that kind of unprofessionalism should never be tolerated.

    And, that you can’t be compensated (and I know compensation is little in exchange for the injury) but to not be compensated is bullshit…

    My heart breaks for you.

  • Sherry Vulgamott

    Hi. I’d like to point out something about VAERS. Way back when my son was vaccine injured, they did follow up on each case and then they followed up again years later. So did the CDC. Today, however the system is clogged and failing. Why? Well it could be idiotic people who like to bring attention to themselves making false claims or it could be that there are so many reports that they can’t keep up. It’s probably both in my opinion.

    And I’d also like to voice my opinion about the conspiracy theory…pro vaxxers like to use that as an insult when anti vaxxers say anything regarding vaccines and government. All. The. Time. I get called a conspiracy theorist quite often just by voicing my opinions about vaccines. But, you know what? It’s not a huge stretch. Our government wants us sick and stupid and they will pull out everything that they can to do so. GMOs, vaccines, etc. Does that make me paranoid, no. It makes me aware. Will I be prepared for a fall out of some sort, I doubt it but my husband and I will try our best to do so to protect our family.

  • Sick of Liars

    I had chicken pox as a child, too. It does not require any doctors care. You get itchy spots. You get coated with calamine lotion ( or other itch reliever) and stay home. If you were so sick that you required medical care and lost your hearing, you had other problems going on.

  • annie

    Your comment is just as stupid as saying “there are no vaccine-injured children.”
    You can call me a liar all you want.. it doesn’t change the fact that I can’t hear you.

  • A Concerned Mom

    Thank you, Annie. My heart breaks for you, too. I can’t say that I understand how hard it is to go through life with your disability, but you do seem a very strong individual, and you seem to handle it with grace. :)

    One thing that I do keep in mind, with regard to my son’s injury, is that we’re some of the lucky ones. My son still has some residual effects from that, and I don’t believe that the vaccines he received that day “took”, but he can function normally. He doesn’t have the violent fits that some of the other kids have after an injury. He is still able to learn, and converse, and play. He’ll be able to grow and function as an adult. I’ve heard and read so many stories of parents who’s children have completely changed, or have become a shadow of who they were, and stories of mothers who’ve held their children as they’ve died, hours or a day after receiving a vaccine. My heart breaks for them, too. My son is still here, still (mostly) himself, still learning and growing. I’m so incredibly lucky that I’ve been given the chance to protect him from further harm. So many parents don’t get that chance.

  • annie

    Sherry, that is exactly what I have been saying about VAERS. I wasn’t saying it as an attack…. VAERS was meant to be a valid source, but it isn’t because of idiots who report stupid things, which defeats the point of it, and makes it almost impossible for those who may have a valid report to be taken seriously.

    Where we disagree, is I don’t think the government wants all sick and stupid. They need the average citizen, because of the taxes the average citizen pays. Average Joe does not get the tax breaks, and perks, and bail outs that big corporations do… and, they need the vote of the average citizen,
    And, I firmly believe that when someone is smart enough to be in politics, they are smart enough to NOT want to be in politics…. so the people who are in government are not the smart ones.

  • annie

    What is interesting, is you appear to think that you are so much better, so much smarter, than a pro-vaxxer….
    But you show exactly the same traits as all the things you say you hate in pro-vaxxers.

    You call names.
    You don’t provide evidence.
    And your comment above is just as narrow-minded and stupid as someone who says “there are no vaccine-injured children.”

    The one I respect here is A Concerned Mom. She provided information in an intelligent manner, and actually made an attempt to provide information and discuss it. She has taken the time to try to explain a number of things from the anti-vax side to me that I did not know, without name-calling and accusations.
    She has explained things that no one else on this page has. She is a rational voice for anti-vax. Perhaps instead of being an ass, you should try to be more like her…

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Those “Danish” studies, “seven country studies” and most of the studies “debunking” vaccine -autism connection were done by “star” CDC scientist Poul Thorsen,. Right now Thorsen is hiding from Interpol in his native Denmark. He was caught steeling more than million dollars of US taxpayers money through CDC. He pretended he used the money to do those “studies” but instead funneled them to his own account, and someone in CDC was signing his fraudulent invoices. CDC declared that Thorsen problem was purely financial and they “believe in integrity of his studies” . Considering all the recent revelations about fraud in CDC (go to naturalnews.com and search William Thompson, CDC whistlebower) – they can not afford to lose “research” by such a valuable and prolific fraudster as Thorsen.
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/12/poul-thorsen-called-industry-scumbag-scientist-and-mercury-shill.html

    Very good article on Thorsen written by Robert Kennedy Jr. disappeared from Internet.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Orwellian language. “Saving women and children” means tracking and injecting every woman and a child with poison. Tetanus vaccine used in Africa was found to be loaded with antibdies to Human Chorionic Gonadotropin to give it properties of a contraceptive. It would be great to check tetanus vaccines used in US for those contraceptives.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Your poor child may very well join our “minority” with such a “prepared” sheeple father. Do not expect any help, $$ or compassion from those pharma companies or your doctor if you lose your child. They arranged to be shielded by all liability way back in 1986. They will laugh at your face and tell you their vaccines are safe and effective. Just ask the parents who lost their children to vaccines already.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Then vaccinate on schedule. Get back to us after the fact. Some people can learn only when they stepped on the rakes themselves.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    If you want some truth about polio and other vaccines – find the book “Doctor Mary’s Monkey” and you will see what a hoax polio vaccine has been. As for smallpox, read how smallpox epidemics occurred in forcibly vaccinated and revaccinated populations of England, Prussia, and US again and again for more than a century, especially in unsanitary areas. It is only with modern sanitation and better nutrition that small pox started to decline. Learn about the role of filthy vaccines and unsterilized needles in spread of tuberculosis and syphilis in 19 th century. Crook Jenner vaccinated his own family and a few years later his older son, wife and sisters died of tuberculosis. Jenner died a broken man despite all the riches (30000 pounds) that mad king George bestowed on him. Good return on 15 pounds that Jenner spent to buy his physician diploma, without ever attending university.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    It is actually good that Andrew vaccinates. He is already damaged,and looks like he deserves his vaccines.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    You are lying with your statistics. Measles were sharply on the decline in 20th century before vaccine was introduced, and vaccine did not make a dent in that decline. The same with many other vaccines, except polio. Polio cases jumped after introduction of vaccines (they were contaminated with live viruses – both Salk and Sabin’s), -then started to decline again. 48 000 children were paralysed and some died in India after they were vaccinated by Bill Gates in 2011 – the severity of this vaccine induced disease was worse than from wild polio.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Andrew is using fake statistics. CDC is known to falsify data, so probably it is not him, it is their lies.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    It is good that this Andrew is vaccinated. Vaccinate more, troll. Eventually you will not be able to spread lies. Do not expect any pension from your pharma handlers though. They will send you to VAERS, laughing at gullible you all the way.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Upvoteds to Andrew’s lies 1 From Andrew himself. 2. guest – probably another account of Andrew himself.
    Andrew should call his handler to give him more ‘likes”

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Do not despair, idiot.
    I was wrong, there are some vaccine brain damaged that “like” your idiocy. Bill Gates is glad he got some volunteers for his population reduction plan. Talibans seem to not be volunteering. By the way, those not vaccinated Taliban look very healthy to me, and multiplying very well. As for vaccinated Americans, with #1 healcare of theirs…
    Ask your doctor, Andrew, if VIAGRA is right for you?

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    If you owned a farm , you would not be trolling for pennies on this website.
    And we do not need your “herd” vaccinations and all the filthy viruses you are shedding on other people, for weeks after your vaccination

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    The farthest place you visited on your trolling wages is fast food joint, nor Bulgaria.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Troll dodged a question about scarlet fever -as expected.
    To which I will add a question about plaque, cholera, typhoid, leprosy, tuberculosis (in unvaccinating countries), etc. Keep in mind that in Russia, where 100% of population is forcibly vaccinated at birth for 70 years (your wet dream forced vaccines), hospitals can not keep up with it – tuberculosis is increasingly ravaging disease there.
    Ask your handlers – what nonsense they will supply to you as an answer.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Scarlet fever was much worse and deadly than measles. I had measles – it was not a big deal – like light flu.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Troll, do not lie. I had measles, and almost everyone out of several thousand children I knew, did – no one died or was disabled. We were told to stay in bed to prevent ‘complications’, otherwise it was mild illness – easier than flu and even chicken pox.
    We were lucky to avoid insanity with vaccinations that began later.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Troll Andrew spooks , and I am not scared

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    There is obviously LINK between your low IQ and your vaccines.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Troll Andrew inevitably began spook us with the word “science”. He worships “science” of CDC star “scientst” Poul Thorsen – for lack of IQ

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Froth more at your mouth, troll houser, we are not going. From which sewage hole are your hissing?

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    troll Andrew.described himself

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    The list of trolls “upvoted” stupid comment of unhealthy looking vaccine proponent.
    The vaccine bully was cought as being a family member of major investor in vaccines. Steve Packard thinks he can downplay the fact .

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Read” Doctor Mary’s Monkey”. It will open your eyes on vaccines, especially polio vaccine. I was stunned when I read this book.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Andrew is a demagogue on Pharma payroll. (and very small payroll for low quality of his trolling)

  • steven

    lol.. actually the chances of someone being injured from a vaccine are greater than someone getting permanent damage from chicken pox.. you are an idiot.

  • scaramanga

    the reason people call you names is because you put people who believe in aliens and unicorns in the same category as people who understand corporate fraud and have been around to witness enough corporate and government scandals to know that they aren’t part of some science fiction novel.. comparing the two like they are the same thing leads me to believe that either you are a merck frost advertiser, or just completely mentally unfit to carry on a coherent conversation about anything relevant..

  • annie

    Please cite your sources and provide the links for your comment. Thank you.

  • annie

    You obviously chose to not read my post.
    If you would actually choose to read it, you would find that I am NOT comparing the conspiracy theorists to anti-vaxxers, and that I said that the conspiracy theorists HARM the voice of anti-vaxxers.
    Be very careful about making comments about “mentally unfit to carry on a coherent conversation” when you completely mis-read my comment.

  • Dd

    It would be great to check ALL the vaccines for other contents. After all, the Department of Defense deliberately put AIDS into smallpox vaccines to administer to black and homosexual communities.
    You may want to print this one off, it’s definitely a keeper.
    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/aids.pdf

  • steven

    im lazy. you cite links that prove me wrong.

  • scaramanga

    whats the difference between a conspiracy theorist and an “anti-vaxx” as you so idiotically put it? what reason could someone have to be anti-vaccine that doesn’t involve some kind of conspiracy? i read your senile posts, and they are just hypocritical and make zero sense. you just seem old and bored, and not worth anyones time.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Absolutely amazing document – I will copy.They obviously did the same with Ebola, and when vaccines are ready, we will probably see forced vaccinations for that monkey virus, starting with the military men. Read “Doctor Mary’s Monkey” by Ed Haslam you will be amazed how evil forces were busy mutating monkey viruses with linear particle acelerator, and who did it. Lee Harvey Oswald was one of the foot soldiers on the project.

    Vaccines may be still contaminated with cancer virus SV40

    http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/vaccine_awareness/Stunning_Admissions_on_Contamin.html

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11205211

    Since 50’s pharma tried to get permission to grow vaccines on most aggressive cancer lines, such as HeLa, lung carcinoma, lymphoma and leukemia. On Sept 19 2012 FDA gave them long sought permission (search)

    The lines used before (monkey/dog kidney line VERO, aborted fetuses lines MRC-5, WI-38, etc – were also cancerous, but less aggressive.)

    I am glad I know that, and can save my children, but I am terrified to think what will happen to America and other western countries 20-30 years from now. I tried to convince my association to stop using 2,4D (part of Agent Orange) pesticide on the lawns – and failed. Sheep seem to want to be culled – with vaccines GMO/pesticides , and chemicalized food – and they get angry when told the truth

  • annie

    Nope – if you make a comment, be prepared to defend it, or just go away. It is not my job to do your work for you.
    If you are too lazy to do that, then I don’t have to waste any more of my time on your unfounded comments.

  • annie

    There is a big difference between a conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer.

    Although occasionally they are one and the same, many times they are not.

    Here is a small clip from a post a conspiracy theorist made:
    “The big pharmas, the medical field, the mainstream media, republicans and some democrats are all in cahoots to destroy humanity.
    We must wake up and remove our blinders to see the truth. The truth is available to everyone already. All you need to do is question everything and google your questions.
    Now, you must also know that truth was mixed lies in many information that you will read. But your heart will guide you to the truth.
    The Powers that Be are tightening their control over us because the hypnotizedb brainwashed, mind controlled americans are awakening.
    USA is the center of Power of these Powers that Be. We have the latest advance technologies, these are alien technology. In the early days, This is why we are heavily mind controlled.
    There are 5 original major countries that are the main original groups of the United Nations. The United States, Russia, China, Great Britain, and France.
    United States leaders controls the leaders of these five countries. Well… not anymore. Russia and China had developed their greatest weapons the topol missiles and they both teamed up and breaking away under the illuminati control
    Now Putin and China and Obama ( in secret) are now teaming up to defeat the illuminati. This is an underground movement.”

    Now, a clip from a post from an anti-vaxxer:
    “to say that any child should risk injury from a DEFINITE
    exposure to viruses and toxins in order to protect others in the off chance we’re exposed to a virus later on is about as selfish as you can get.”

    Now, if you can’t see the difference, then I cannot help you, as I cannot solve your reading comprehension problems.

    Since you refuse to actually read to comprehend, and would rather call names, you are not worth any more of my time.

  • scaramanga

    i asked you what reason could an “anti-vaxx” person have to be against vaccines that isn’t part of a conspiracy?? i guess you’re admitting that vaccines are bad? i didn’t ask for a useless essay.. just a simple answer.. i put “anti-vaxx” in quotes because you sound like more of a moron each and every time you say it.. stop pretending like anti-vaxx is even a side.. there are all kinds of people who oppose vaccines, then there are insane lunatics like you that try to make people feel bad for not taking them. in reality though, if you are deaf, its because you are stupid, and people who treated you are stupid. your parents are probably stupid too. you are lighting up my bullshit meter.

  • annie

    You came into this conversation for the whole purpose of being a bully and calling names. All you have done is attack my family and I. It is amazing that you think that your actions would make me respect and consider your position.

    You have not provided anything worth having a conversation over, and you appear to be incapable of that anyway.
    I will not stoop to your level of childishness.

    This is the last time I will say this:
    Since you refuse to actually read to comprehend, and would rather call names, you are not worth any more of my time.

  • Dd

    Thanks for the links. I haven’t read Dr. Mary’s Monkey, however have listened to a number of interviews with Ed Haslam. I am currently reading “Me & Lee” by Judith Vary Baker. It’s all connected with the cancer virus and JFK…… she talks about her development of the cancer vaccine and working with Mr. Mary Sherman.

    It’s so nice to connect with another person that see’s the big picture. It’s not simply about vaccines, it’s very sinister, however many don’t realize it’s about depopulation.

    Not to get too off topic on this blog site, however I found this to be an outrage, especially when you understand the true agenda. The tetanus vaccine has been proven to contain a birth control, which is why they are targeting women under 45 and female children.

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper castigated Canadians who refuse to vaccinate their kids as he announced $22.5 million in additional funding for inoculation programs in some of the world’s poorest countries.

    The prime minister announced the new funding — $20 million to strengthen immunity to polio and up to $2.5 million over two years to help eradicate maternal and neonatal tetanus — during an event Wednesday with billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/announcing-inoculation-funds-pm-chides-canadians-who-refuse-to-vaccinate-1.2253482

  • scaramanga

    I just wanted to know what the difference was between an “anti-vaxxer” and a conspiracy theorist? they both end up with the same conclusion, which is vaccines are not healthy, so how can you give credibility to one part of the same side and not the other? just because of someone’s beliefs? conspiracy theorists are actually more sane than the billions of people who believe in that mumbo jumbo written in any religious book. I think its also pretty funny that the “Bavarian Illuminati” actually was an ancient well documented society that were driven out of Europe or butchered for opposing the roman catholic church. They aren’t fake, i suggest you look them up at your local library. you can also give yourself a history lesson on the evolution of global powers and capitalism.

  • scaramanga

    and by the way, your respect doesn’t mean anything to me, so keep it and do what you want with it. I have zero respect for shill trolls with no life, so i don’t ask for any in return. i love how you use your deafness to desperately try to sway peoples opinions.. chances are none of the “anti-vaxxers” you talk to have deaf hearing from chicken pox, nor do they know anyone who has deaf hearing from chicken pox, which is why its pathetic, because it is extremely rare unless you are an idiot.

  • vaccines for breakfast

    I guess I’m on the other side of this issue right now from where you stand, A Concerned Mom. I must say, however, that you are the only person posting in the comment sections that is not in favor of vaccines that has earned my respect. I wish more people on BOTH sides of the issue were like you and Annie.

  • vaccines for breakfast

    Not cool to call this woman heartless and soulless. She’s seeking answers and information. You should be honored and glad that she’s interested in learning the perspective of the other side of the issue instead of just writing all anti-vaxxers off as lunatics. Stop being so hateful. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they should be demeaned and ridiculed.

  • scaramanga

    but andrew, if you can’t tell me where these viruses even come from, it is impossible to eradicate them.. you can’t tell me that viruses that are known to come from birds and pigs and other animals can be completely destroyed from vaccinating humans. not logical. you are a moron. i can only hope your child is still in diapers at 16 years old.

  • scaramanga

    do you have any studies that separate vaccines from the rest of the medical advancements during the 20th century? if not, i guess your argument is void. lol i guess its not important that people were poor and drank water with dirt and mud in it for most of the 20th century. i guess its not important that discovering what it meant to be contagious allowed for infected people to be quarantined. they don’t even try to hide the fact that flu shots don’t even work.

  • scaramanga

    your facts come from the cdc website and a bbc documentary.. hardly credible.

  • Julie Niederhauser

    DUH

  • scaramanga

    yeah why oh why would big pharma do anything to hurt anyone. you should also go ask some guy who has a million oil shares why he thinks electric cars are a bad idea.. people already know you’re a douche bag. you people are so fake, and so easy to pick out of an online crowd. we all know how to assess data objectively, but when the data is phony and worthless, and tampered with by the company that creates the vaccine, it becomes rather difficult to assess, but easy to throw aside as useless.

  • scaramanga

    then there is the realization that the cdc doesn’t create all forms of medicine.. oh and how about the fact that medicine is given to people who are already sick, in which it shows clear signs of effectiveness by itself.. where as a vaccinated person can catch and spread a disease, or may not get anything their whole life. which is great. the only problem is that no one can prove that person didn’t get sick because of a vaccine.. since lots of unvaccinated people don’t get sick. even before vaccines wen’t mainstream, there wasn’t enough people vaccinated to claim full eradication from a vaccine. its bullshit.

  • scaramanga

    its hilarious that you call people bad parents for not vaccinating.. maybe someone’s child was hospitalized with one of the symptoms on the merck vaccine package. why would i go out my way to risk my childs life again so your dirty inbred children can pretend like they won’t ever get sick? your logic is no better than the inbred american soldier who murder women and children for oil, or who play with dead muslims boners.. you live in a sick society that is driven by corporate affairs.. the only time you get off your fat asses is to order another bucket of kfc.

  • scaramanga

    what about those injured by the illness? you can still get the illness if you are vaccinated.. you can still spread the illness if you are vaccinated.. you can infect others with a live virus administered by a vaccine.. if you don’t vaccinate, there’s a 0% chance you have bad reaction to vaccine.. if you vaccinate, you have a chance to have a reaction, and you can still catch the disease and spread it to others easily.. you don’t need to be a genius to understand peoples decision making, but to not recognize blatant information right in front of your eyes, it makes you look like a shill.

  • AutismDad

    WELL DONE

  • AutismDad

    I know an older man who got shingles. He baby sat his very young grandchildren a lot. Wonder HOW he became exposed to chicken pox? I’m thinking vaccine shedding, but could be natural exposure.

  • AutismDad

    There are many posters with chips on their shoulders. Some have bufalo chips. Lots of emotion, lots of Why I ought to’s, you should’s etc. Just par for the course. Don’t take it personally, it’s impersonal because its just print and opinions.

  • steven

    i can’t find any statistics about people getting deaf from chicken pox.. because it hardly ever happens lol. what is really pathetic, is that without even knowing for sure, you just blindly assume that you wouldn’t be deaf if you took a chicken pox vaccine lol. You keep making that foolish statement, so i need some proof that you would not be deaf had you taken that vaccine.. if you can’t, you are a fraud.

  • scaramanga

    actually, she does write all anti-vaxxers off a lunatics.. she’s clearly shown that she either thinks people are lunatic conspiracy theorists or just stupid uneducated people. she is a fraud. she uses her deafness to try to promote the chicken pox vaccine. i have zero respect for this. its like saying im gonna use my diarrhea to try to shut down mexican restaurants

  • A Concerned Mom

    Could very well be. Unfortunately for those kids, if they were vaccinated for CP, they’re far more likely to develop shingles, and at a far younger age than they would have otherwise.

  • A Concerned Mom

    It’s tough sometimes… this is really a very emotional topic, especially for those that have been injured or have a child who has been injured, and for those who’s child is immune compromised and have been convinced that their child is safer around vaccinated children (who can be shedding/contagious from those vaccines containing live viruses for a month or more) than unvaccinated children who’ve never been exposed to the disease (or have already had it naturally). It’s understandably difficult for some to remain calm.

  • A Concerned Mom

    How can we ever expect those with opposing views to use more appropriate terms to describe our views if we can’t calmly share with them?

    Yes, there are those who will troll these articles and blogs to post disparaging commentary, but if we can’t actually SHOW them we’re not a bunch of crazy conspiracy nuts, and show them that their medical choices aren’t in danger here, people with opposing views will continue to view us in the way that we’re portrayed by media. Let’s show them who we really are, calmly share our views and our reasons for our choices, and they’ll eventually come ’round to supporting our right to choice.

  • A Concerned Mom

    If you read her responses to me, you might see that her original views about us as being “uneducated anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists” may have come from media and the real trolls. The vaccine injured and their families will never get the empathy we deserve, or keep our right right to choose, if we are unable to empathize with others. Just because the anti-choice folks are willing to believe (or admit) she was illness-injured, but insist no one is vaccine-injured does not mean we have to take exactly the opposite stance. Read her follow-up comments to me. I don’t believe she’s anti-choice, or a troll. Like those of us with vaccine injured children, she just wanted to be heard, and maybe felt stories like hers are forgotten in all the hullabaloo. Please show a little compassion, if for no other reason than that we must lead by example.

  • AutismDad

    Its not what experts claim, and we are at the mercy of those who make up the official word. Official word is defined with purpose and can be used to mandate vaccines for instance. Only through Heculean efforts can you fight and win against the coercion government can place on us.

  • guest

    VFB-give up the ghost. You just aren’t that adapt at defecting comments you don’t like onto other people. Everyone knows the comments was for you so go with the flow and suck it up.

  • scaramanga

    lol i wonder how many dumbasses will take the ebola vaccine when it’s released.. anyone wanna stick around for some live ebola shedding?

  • emilio sanchez

    why do people throw around the word conspiracy like its going out of style? its like that one word is used to generalize every single person that believes anything contrary to what they are told? it actually makes you sound like more of a lunatic than the people you accuse of being conspiracy theorists.. its as if you idiots just assume that everyone is supposed to think the same and just believe everything they’re told and take their medicine like some useless pigeon.. obviously people in the vaccine industry will protect it because their life and career depends on it, but don’t pretend like all humans are all straight arrows.. half of americans think obama is a osama bin laden or that sandy hook was a hoax to take peoples guns away.. and the other half thinks the second coming of jesus is just around the corner.. this is the same country that produces the majority of these vaccines and vaccine pushers.. you add a free market economy to that, and this is what you get.. junk science at its finest.. you talk like vaccines are the only thing that attributed to reduced virus spreading which makes it clear that you have zero education in any other field of study.. there really isn’t good enough evidence that warrants mandatory vaccines, and thats a straight fact.. they put 95% on the bottle because its really easy to do that, considering they just go blame unvaccinated people when it fails.. but its really obvious that they haven’t got a clue.. someone gets a bad reaction.. oh boy, something else must have caused it.. you are giving people a live lab manufactured virus that no one still has any idea where it came from.. its easy for a biologist to call someone stupid, but i have not yet to see one so called biologist or virologist present anything worth looking at. Even worse, it’s not even their own work, they all have cdc watermarks all over them

  • annie

    I never claimed it wasn’t rare. I am well aware that it is rare.

    And, I never said I wouldn’t be deaf if I had had the vaccine. I believe (see, opinion, which I am allowed to have) that my risk of deafness would have been significantly lower had I received the vaccine.

    And, if you had taken the time to read my other posts, you would have understood that my position on vaccines is not based on the “all or nothing” assumption, but on the odds. I believe the odds of me not being deaf would have been lower had I received the vaccine. I believe that the odds of becoming seriously ill from a disease are lower when I get the vaccination.

    I am NOT saying that we should be forcing vaccinations on anyone.

    Now, you can call me names all you want. It just shows that you are being a troll.

  • annie

    SO, if that comment was directed at VFB, why did you not actually direct it to VFB? Look at your comment. It was a reply to me.

    Good try.
    You want to take shots at me, be my guest.
    I will just choose to ignore you as the troll you are trying to be.
    I would far rather have a conversation with A Concerned Mom, who actually can hold a rational conversation, and present her views with intelligence and clarity.

  • steven

    lol again.. even a normal doctor would tell you that having chicken pox would grant you higher immunity than getting a chicken pox vaccine.. childrens chicken pox are not very dangerous and most children get over them without any complications. you are less than 1% of the global population. hardly a concern or reason for anyone to take the chicken pox vaccine. americans probably have a better chance of shooting themselves in the foot.. I won’t even bother posting sources, just go ask a real doctor, not some junk scientist who’s life revolves around the dying vaccine industry..

  • steven

    you don’t know where any of these viruses came from. neither does the cdc.. first, you have to be a fool to believe they are perfectly safe, second, you must be a fool to think they can actually provide a rate of effectiveness with so many factors contributing to the failure of a vaccine.. third, it is absolutely foolish to manipulate people into thinking you can eradicate a virus by not destroying the source.. swine flu came from a pig, so lets vaccinate humans.. no one can even take legal action against the cdc for adverse reactions. its bullshit. cdc doesn’t even qualify as pharma, its garbage.

  • annie

    What you refuse to acknowledge is that no one promised 100% effectiveness or 100% safety. Nothing in this world is 100%.
    And you need to study biology. You don’t need to destroy the virus. If you make the environment difficult for the virus, that is all you need to do (isn’t that the anti-vax theory of clean water and hygiene stopped polio? You claim the environment changed).
    You don’t understand science so a rational discussion is impossible with you. You have this all or nothing, fearful mentality that because you don’t understand it, it must be bad. You have tried to attack but have not provided any evidence to support your view.
    So either show some evidence, or go back to googling pseudo-sites.

  • steven

    Hey annie! how’s the shilling going? ill never respect a thing you say, because you think the only advancement in sanitation is clean water.. I i just wanted to know how the cdc can call a virus eradicated, if vaccines aren’t actually completely destroying a virus? the definition states “to completely destroy). I would also like to know how you can blame an unvaccinated person for catching and spreading a disease when you don’t even know the source of a virus? why do you shill douche bags not answer these questions? please enlighten me.. this should be really good, seeing as how you accuse people of not studying biology.. when you aren’t shilling, are you also a professional pretend online biologist? there are so many of those these days. i wish the cdc spent their money creating something that actually helped people.. all they do is cripple society.

  • steven

    you idiots refuse to provide studies that separate vaccines from the rest of the medical industry. its conveniently impossible for you to do that.. again, vaccines aren’t even worthy of being put into the category of medical, so don’t compare them to anything else.. all drugs are derived from natural sources with additives.. until you can provide these studies, you are just a worthless person, and will continue to be worthless. nothing you say makes any sense without these studies. the way your mind works is like any other shill that’s a waste of everyones time. you say the same lame stories over and over again, and question peoples intelligence when you can’t even provide a simple study that doesn’t include all the other crap that happened in the 20th century.. which incase you forgot is quite a lot. your stupid death from virus charts don’t even make sense with the respect of the timing of certain vaccines..

  • steven

    lol sorry annie.. most vaccines and vaccine pushers come from a country that believes that sandy hook was a way to take their guns away.. disney blaming people for an outbreak when they employ foreign workers in Bangladesh for pennies that don’t even exist anymore. you think disney pays for its foreign slave workers to get medical? what a land of opportunity, unless you aren’t white.. its a place where families find hope.. where wings take dream (bush quote)..

  • steven

    whats really pathetic is by calling people “anti-vaxxers”, you set yourself up for people to disrespect you, because you don’t deserve any respect. i guess it must help you sleep at night thinking that we are just one big group of nutcases collaborating.. lol, its not. what statistics you choose to believe is up to you. unfortunately, you are part of that junk science shill group that goes around different websites promoting bullshit and instigating people. shills should do the world a favor and just off themselves. karma probably played a role in your deaf hearing. seems like some pretty bad luck to me.

  • annie

    Yawn..
    Your childish tantrum filled with name calling and idiotic theories is boring.
    You are the child who can’t get enough attention so you stomp your feet and scream.
    Until you can behave like someone older than 6, I won’t waste any more time on you.

  • steven

    huh? what are you even talking about? i asked you for a study that separates vaccines from everything else in the last 70 years.. you can’t do that. yet you are compelled to convince everyone that vaccines were the savior.. can you please provide peer reviewed studies of vaccines by themselves, without any other influence? i didn’t think so. shills are so hilarious. they tell you to provide peer review studies for everything, and they can’t even provide one simple study. well done.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Nobody obviously reads your posts, you are graphomaniac

  • bradf

    This author claims to know so much more than everyone but her claim that “they have not proven [that vaccines do not cause autism]” shows she’s never used a database before to search through scholarly scientific articles. Five minutes on Pubmed or Scopus would give you at least 10 solid articles written by PhDs in relevant fields that say there is no connection. The last time I checked there was absolutely 0 support from the scientific community that vaccines cause autism. But dont take my word for it that’s the entire point of this comment. Go look for yourself and try to find any recent paper that supports that ridiculous and debunked claim. I get my medical and scientific information from my university classes, journal articles, medical professionals and experts in the field. You can continue to search “vaccines kill babies” until you find the results you want but you’re not doing anyone any good and you’re putting yourself and your family at risk. There are plenty of facebook pages and blogs that don’t support vaccines but every bit of evidence form the scientific world supports them and their use.

  • Andrew

    you will be4 accused of being a troll in the pay of “Big Pharma” for that shortly… :-)

  • Andrew

    Annie – those who believe the things they believe do not believe in scientific process of actually providing evidence beyond the anecdotal and conjectural. And when that evidence is provided against them, they accuse you of being a troll/tool in the employ of Big Pharma.
    Says a lot about their credibility and the quality of their argument.

  • Andrew

    there ARE plenty of statistics of deaths from measles prior to the introduction of vaccines – in the US alone the 10 year annualized average was around 4,400 a year dead.
    Best an anti-vaxxer can come up with is “probably” around 180 deaths from severe reactions in the 50+ years since….
    Fairly straightforward maths, really.

  • Andrew

    “i can only hope your child is still in diapers at 16 years old.” ….. charming and you show the quality of your argument.

  • Andrew

    if you can show me provable data behind your claimed stats above then it is a great discussion to be having….

  • Andrew

    no I do not applaud uncritically. You have not listened to a word I said.
    YES there are consequences to vaccinations. Up to an including disability and death from adverse reactions. NO they are not 100% effective. I have and always will accept that, as I also accept cases of scientific fraud and lies from some companies in the business.
    What I have consistently said however, is that all the evidence is in support of vaccination – both at a personal and at a societal level.
    Despite there being some tragic cases from side effects. And NO, improved hygiene cannot be given the credit for the reductions in incidence.
    But there is no evidence of a causal relationship between MMR and autism. There simply is not. At all.

  • Andrew

    sorry….on what basis do you make that claim?

  • Andrew

    am. Have. Will continue to. And have also discovered my own childhood vaccinations may have come from a poor batch so I ALSO will have a booster MMR as it may not have been effective.
    So I am doing exactly what I say.

  • Andrew

    you are the one with an agenda and no scientific data to justify it.

  • Andrew

    I do not for one minute discount the fact there are people damaged by vaccines.
    More died without them.

  • Andrew

    go and learn how studies and statistics work. Then maybe we can have a grown up discussion without your pseudo-science.

  • Andrew

    thus agreeing with you 100% = meaningful and ANYTHING else is a manure spouting parrot?
    Yeah. Whatever.

  • Andrew

    sigh….and this is the level of debate you are capable of.
    Interessant, n’est pas?

  • AutismDad

    See you can be taught.

  • GG

    Your university clases won’t tell you everything ,they can not even explain the healing mechanisms that quantum physics can explain today and they don’t even know how kids with severe autism lost their diagnosis with homeopathy since for them homeopathy is not even worthy and autism is irreversible…. I took those clases 20 years ago and I have to take 50 hour of continuing education every 2 years and they are still repeating the same thing…….keep your mind open all the time, don’t believe in everything, do your own research. There are hundreds of articles with SCIENTIFIC proof about the damage that vaccines can cause:

    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/200-evidence-based-reasons-not-vaccinate-free-research-pdf-download

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/86-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/27/vaccines-are-dangerous-says-the-government.aspx?

    Dr Wakefield was right and time is all we need to see what is happening…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d40suCKnjbI

    Why did Japan ban MMR vaccine?

    http://yournewswire.com/why-did-japan-ban-mmr-vaccine/

    Dr. Paul’s Senate Testimony.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNQVdOx87Ak

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    It was my pleasure to read rthat you will inject yourself with additional dose of mercury 9 in the amount that is much higher than treshold for hazardous waste, toxic aluminum hydroxide, with helping of embalming fluid, exitotoxin MSG,

    what else? Medium 199, Minimum Essential Medium ( who knows , what’s there?) phosphate, recombinant (GMO) human albumin (alergy, autoimmune disease), antibiotic neomycin (think antibiotic resistance), sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin (think allergy), chick embryo cell culture ( think all the contaminating viruses that had opportunity to develop for days in a rotting culture), WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts ( that is a special treat for the stupid – cell culture extracted from aborted fetus in 1961 and having all qualities of cancer cells – immortality, ability to divide and grow aggressively. The fetus cell culture is grown on rotting animal extracts, such as raw cow or pig serum with added chemicals) – for years, to be exact – for 54 years now).

    As most vaccines , the MMR stuff is now produced in China, and chinese do not allow any foreign inspectors to step a foot in their factories – but trolly Andrew i is trusting them).
    So when you are done injecting the stuff in your blood, inform me please, I and Billy Gates will send you thank you note.
    Fool and his health will soon be parted.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Everyone please read below the composition of the yucky concoction that Andrew is going to inject in his blood out of mortal fear of getting measles. Poor scared little Andrew – I can imagine how he lives in constant fear of “the very real risk of not vaccinating”.
    I think we should buy and send him a sack to put on the head.

  • GG

    The numbers……….from the CDC.

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/developmentaldisabilities/features/birthdefects-dd-keyfindings.html

    There’s a doctor here in front of the senate in Oregon talking about this topic, very interesting…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNQVdOx87Ak

    It’s estimated that the incidence of autism by 2015 will be 1:2……

    http://www.tacanow.org/family-resources/latest-autism-statistics-2/

  • Justthefacts

    You say that “There are hundreds of articles with SCIENTIFIC proof” bjut you didn’t post any of them. The greenmedifo and mercola links just go to webpages that reference more webpages on the same sites. These sites are for-profit anti-vaxxers.
    .
    Andrew Wakefield lost his medical license because of fraud.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
    .
    Japan banned the MMR 7 years ago and autism rates continue to rise:
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7076-autism-rises-despite-mmr-ban-in-japan.html

    You have been duped by the anti-vaxxer websites that want your money.

  • Justthefacts

    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy
    .
    The necessary explanation used by anti-vaxxers to explain why the “truth” is not generally known is that there is a conspiracy between Big Pharma, the media, and the government to suppress the truth. We will refer to them collectively as “BP”. Let’s logically examine this case with the assumption that this situation is true.
    .
    1. BP has the ability to suppress evidence supporting a known problem with vaccines or a vaccine.
    2. This does not apply to current prosecution or active governmental investigations because, by definition, the information is not suppressed. If the evidence was truly damaging, it would have been fully suppressed. All open issues must only contain non threatening information.
    3. By definition, the conspiracy must be successful at this time, or the information would be available and the conspiracy would be exposed and therefore no longer exist.
    4. The BP Conspiracy must be powerful and durable enough to defeat the forces against it which are substantial in their own right. BP must defeat or corrupt:
    .
    -Both the domestic and international press
    -International governments such and India who have no love for BP
    -Ex-employees and scientists who have the knowledge and where with all to develop or obtain such evidence.
    -Independent media outlets with easy access to the internet for information dissemination.
    .
    5. Given that this BP Conspiracy is this successful, what are the odds that Mike Adams down in Cedar Creek, Texas will find some real evidence to post on his NaturalNews.com? or mercola.com will post actual evidence?
    6. What are the odds that YOU will find any evidence clicking your way through the Internet? ZERO.
    7. This anti-vaxxer “truth”, whatever it is, has no evidence to support it because of BP so it is faith based. It is a religion.
    8. MSM, AlterNet, and all non-believers dismiss the “truth” and make the reasonable claim that “there is no other side” since it is entirely faith based.
    .
    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy is just an offshoot of the general Conspiracy Theory Fallacy that shows that an argument that requires the existence of a grand conspiracy must have no real supporting evidence and be based on irrational faith by its very nature. If you consider the possibility of a BP Conspiracy hiding a “truth” and compare it to the absence of a conspiracy where the “truth” is false, the resulting apparent situation and functioning reality is identical in both cases. There can be only be blind faith in the “truth”
    So Anti-vaxxers, you can make the claims you wish and rant about the issues but don’t claim, or even think, that you have any evidence to support it. You are a member of a new age religion who is fighting a grand conspiracy or jousting at windmills. There is no way for you to know the difference.

  • Justthefacts

    There has never been a reported case of a healthy individual with no signs of disease ever shedding the vacinated disase and giving the disease to another person. Not ever.
    .
    “Because the pathogen is alive, albeit weakened, the body can theoretically shed the weakened microbe. However, shedding of viruses in vaccines typically occurs in lower amounts than during shedding of wild-type viruses. In other words, weakened viruses in live attenuated vaccines can shed, but in weakened amounts. Thus, because weakened viruses in vaccines cause mild or no disease, shed weakened viruses also cause mild or no disease. As the CDC states in response to the shedding of the influenza virus in the nasal flu spray vaccine, “serious illnesses have not been reported among unvaccinated persons who have been.”
    .
    http://www.business2community.com/health-wellness/mmr-vaccine-spreading-measles-virus-question-shedding-01151346

  • Justthefacts

    145,000 people dies last year from the measles. Maybe that’s a valid fear?

    et’s see how much of a blessing the last major outbreak of the “beneficial” measles was in the US from 1989 through 1991:

    *More than 55,000 cases of measles
    *About 11,000 were hospitalized
    *About 3,500 developed pneumonia
    *Deaths were reported to be at least 189, and were estimated to be 259 because of incomplete reporting.
    *More than 80% of the cases occurred in unvaccinated individuals.
    *About 90% of the deaths were unvaccinated individuals.
    *About 80% of the deaths were due to pneumonia and the rest were due to encephalitis.
    *100% of the 37 babies under 1 year old who died were too young to be vaccinated.
    *More than 91% of the 65 children aged 1 to 4 years old who died were unvaccinated.

    BTW, about 1 in 3 who get the “beneficial” chickenpox will get the “beneficial” shingles.

  • Justthefacts

    The truth about measles vaccine encephalopathy –
    .
    Measles vaccine encephalopathy is a real thing and it affects about 8 in 1 million vaccinated people. The effects can be very bad and it can cause death.
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_disseminated_encephalomyelitis
    .
    What causes this condition is the measles itself, not the vaccine system, so there is nothing that can be done about it. Measles itself causes encephalopathy and the important thing to remember is that 1 in 1000 measles victims get encephalopathy.
    .
    http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html
    .
    If the Measles vaccine was stopped today, 1000 out of every million measles cases would result in encephalopathy. Before the vaccine was available, there were an average of 4000 cases of encephalopathy per year.
    .
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/faqs-dis-vac-risks.htm
    .
    The simple fact is that 992 cases of encephalopathy per million people are prevented by using the measles vaccine. The choice we have is to make 4000 suffer per year without recourse or have 8 suffer per million vaccinations who are entitled to awards for vaccine injury. Those are the only options.
    .
    I know it’s hard to understand the facts of the condition when you have a child that has suffered from the condition but the cause is the measles, not the process of vaccinations. This one of the tough decisions that has to be made and ignoring the facts by blaming vaccinations does nothing but put more people at risk for encephalopathy from the measles.
    .
    Sorry, but those are the facts.

  • Justthefacts

    Undisputable Logic:
    .
    1. There have been 5263 cases filed and heard by the vaccine court. See link below.
    2. Each case has a team of lawyers and resources dedicated to wining the case. Many of the same law firms that won the breast implant cases where involved.
    3. The average award from the vaccine court is 1.6 million dollars. The motivation for winning these cases was very high.
    4. The money involved has lead to the use of expert scientific witnesses to support these cases with research and testing financed by law firms.
    5. This effort to collect data and win these cases lasted for 15 years.
    6. In all of that time, not one case of 5263 cases was won. Autism was never attributed to vaccines.
    7. Question – Do you think you can do a better job of finding evidence that autism is caused by vaccines than all of the resources applied to these cases? – No.
    8. Do you currently have evidence or will you currently find evidence that autism is caused by vaccines? No.
    9. If you believe that autism is caused by vaccines and have no current evidence to support it, the belief is solely based on faith.
    10. Autism/vaccine connection belief is faith based, like religion.
    .
    There is no other side. There is no evidence that vaccines cause autism. As of today, the question is settled. It is perfectly reasonable to dismiss this claim until and unless new data in found.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court

  • Justthefacts

    Annie is not a shill. I never see her at any of the meetings.

  • Justthefacts

    Let’s see how much of a blessing the last major outbreak of the “beneficial” measles was in the US from 1989 through 1991:

    *More than 55,000 cases of measles
    *About 11,000 were hospitalized
    *About 3,500 developed pneumonia
    *Deaths were reported to be at least 189, and were estimated to be 259 because of incomplete reporting.
    *More than 80% of the cases occurred in unvaccinated individuals.
    *About 90% of the deaths were unvaccinated individuals.
    *About 80% of the deaths were due to pneumonia and the rest were due to encephalitis.
    *100% of the 37 babies under 1 year old who died were too young to be vaccinated.
    *More than 91% of the 65 children aged 1 to 4 years old who died were unvaccinated.

    BTW, about 1 in 3 who get the “beneficial” chickenpox will get the “beneficial” shingles.

  • GG

    The studies are there, you can find them if that’s your desire, and no, I wasn’t duped by anti-vaxxers, I was totally provaxx, I’m a doctor with a daughter who developed atypical measles, projectile vomiting, abdominal swelling and pain, diarrhea and permanent brain damage after MMR and I started doing my homework and learning what they didn’t tell me at the school. There’s no more profitable business than vaccines…

  • Justthefacts

    The truth about measles vaccine encephalopathy –
    .
    Measles vaccine encephalopathy is a real thing and it affects about 8 in 1 million vaccinated people. The effects can be very bad and it can cause death.
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_disseminated_encephalomyelitis
    .
    What causes this condition is the measles itself, not the vaccine system, so there is nothing that can be done about it. Measles itself causes encephalopathy and the important thing to remember is that 1 in 1000 measles victims get encephalopathy.
    .
    http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html
    .
    If the Measles vaccine was stopped today, 1000 out of every million measles cases would result in encephalopathy. Before the vaccine was available, there were an average of 4000 cases of encephalopathy per year.
    .
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/faqs-dis-vac-risks.htm
    .
    The simple fact is that 992 cases of encephalopathy per million people are prevented by using the measles vaccine. The choice we have is to make 4000 suffer per year without recourse or have 8 suffer per million vaccinations who are entitled to awards for vaccine injury. Those are the only options.
    .
    I know it’s hard to understand the facts of the condition when you have a child that has suffered from the condition but the cause is the measles, not the process of vaccinations. This one of the tough decisions that has to be made and ignoring the facts by blaming vaccinations does nothing but put more people at risk for encephalopathy from the measles.
    .
    Sorry, but those are the facts.

  • GG

    I understand, but I still consider vaccines not safe after learning a little bit more about the way they work and how they activate the immune system in the wrong way and I don’t want in my body or my kid’s bodies something that contains aluminum which is a potent neurotoxin, formaldehyde which is a carcinogenic substance or foreign DNA and RNA that can cause changes in the DNA of human beings. In fact, all vaccine inserts written by the manufacturers state that they haven’t been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic effect nor they know how the vaccine can affect fertility, that’s with all vaccines and even Bill Gates openly says that population can be reduced with vaccines. Honestly I don’t think that vaccines are a good thing to control disease, the consequences are the disaster we see, the epidemics of cancer, autoimmune disesases and neurological problems that are a fact….

  • Justthefacts

    One at a time.

    1. The MMR uses measles to work so its using the natural body mechanisms. I’ve never seen a paper saying that it works any other way.

    2. Your body makes formaldehyde. your body has far more formaldehyde in it that in the injection.

    3. The only DNA and RNA in the short come from the measles so it can’t be any more natural than that.

    4. Organic foods, aspirin, and most over the counter medications have not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or potential to impair fertility. Most medications are not evaluated because its not required. If that is a problem, don’t eat and don’t take and medicine or supplements.

    5. Bill gates was not talking about the MMR vaccine.
    6. There is NO aluminum in the MMR vaccine.
    In terms of the MMR vaccine, none of your concerns apply in any real manner. Is there something else?

  • GG

    The MMR doesn’t use the natural way since the virus doesn’t enter the body thru IM injection and being absorbed by the blood stream.
    The formaldehyde injected cause reactions that the body doesn’t need.
    The foreign DNA and RNA comes from the cells from monkeys, aborted fetuses, etc used to attenuate the viruses it’s in the vaccine inserts.
    I don’t need another substance with those efects in my body and especially in the way they enter…injection. that causes a lot of different reactions in the immune system.
    Bill Gate was talking about all vaccines.
    All my concerns are valid for me and thousands of mothers and doctors like myself.

  • Justthefacts

    1. The measles infects you by entering your bloodstream. There is no other infection mechanism and that is no different than the shot. either way, the measles ends up in your bloodstream.
    2. You ignored that there is more formaldehyde already in your blood than in the shot. You body doesn’t know the difference.
    3. There is no “Monkey” on the insert, only chicken and cow cultures. Everyone has been eating cows and chicken for thousands of years. They are harmless.
    4 Bill Gates said that the worlds populations can be controlled by decreasing childhood mortality which means, NOT killing children. I don’t think there is any was to interpret that as poisoning vaccines.
    Sorry. Those are facts. You can have your concerns but you can’t have your own facts.

  • BLADAYADA

    Not, Just the facts
    Well YOU can get all the vaccines you want!, Justthefacts! But many, many people ppl, drs & scientists) also read & research the correlation of autism or any disease process following vaccination and conclude the practice is not the best choice for them or their children. You are INCORRECT, there is ALWAYS another side! NOTHING IS SETTLED! You are INCORRECT in pointing out that there are no studies that conclude there is correlation particularly to adjuvants such as aluminum & mercury as causing oxidative stress that effects brain function. Come on! For example: Most are aware of the adverse effect of mercury aka Thermarisol, on the brain. 19th century Hatters weren’t mad b/c the use of mercury in the hat making industry didn’t make them a bit loopy, to say the least. No! Mercury affected their brains! So you want me (and many others) to beLIEve that injecting long known poisons directly into the bloodstreams of newborns(or anyone for that matter), and continued injections of poison for years, and there won’t ever be any minimal or possibly fatal adverse side effects, at least to sensitive people?! The same is true for the use of aluminum and formaldehyde in these formulas. And I’m not just talking Autism. How do we know the rise in auto-immune diseases like Lupus & MS, dementia’s like Alzheimer’s and Cancer even, haven’t been triggered by some of these drugs? Answer: WE DON’T! Why? Because the brilliant ppl representing pharmaceutical’s, from boardroom to lab, main concern is profit. So they’re not gonna fully & truthfully test or divulge long term affects these substances have on ppl. It’s a vicious money/profit cycle. Cradle to grave: Start a disease process with a drug injection deemed to enhance immunity, disease processes develop, (Autism, Encephalitis, the diseases vaccinated against like measles, cancer, auto-immune…); deny causation at all costs (even if ya have to fudge data on a few or most studies), develop and push drugs to combat said diseases; then vaccinate some more, because 80yr olds certainly will surely die if they get the flu right. Cycle back to the newborns, and the madness continues!

    You act like these companies are only altruistic and would never
    do harm for profit, lie for profit. Are you, like so many, really that naive (or maybe you’re employed by one of them)? Lawsuits abound and these companies & gov’t actually DO PAY via settlements numbering in the $BILLIONS of dollars for vaccines as well as the other adverse drug interactions aka side effects. So I don’t know where u get info that no money has been paid out. Seems oxymoronic to me that all these
    studies show no damaging effects of vaccines yet the gubbment pays billions to damaged ppl, saddest thing is, it’s so many young children!

    Go ahead, get injected with poison, & drink more Kool aid if that suits you. Show all the flawed studies you wish. Just leave people alone to investigate, study, research for themselves and come to their own conclusions & make informed, intelligent choices for themselves and maybe it’s not always just about the so called science but common sense. Again, THERE CERTAINLY IS ANOTHER VERY VALID SIDE to what you’ve posted here!

  • Justthefacts

    I was only talking about autism but side you have surrendered on that subject, I’ll mention Thimerosal and aluminum.
    .
    Thimerosal has been removed to un-measureable levels in all single dose vaccinations in the U.S. Its not possible of it to be a problem. Your bad info is out of date
    .
    Aluminum only added to few vaccines and NOBODY has ever found even a collection between vaccines that have aluminum and any disorder that also doesn’t correlate with non-aluminum vaccines. You can’t even fall back on an invalid correlation.
    .
    As for your conspiracy theories: The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy
    .
    The necessary explanation used by anti-vaxxers to explain why the “truth” is not generally known is that there is a conspiracy between Big Pharma, the media, and the government to suppress the truth. We will refer to them collectively as “BP”. Let’s logically examine this case with the assumption that this situation is true.
    .
    1. BP has the ability to suppress evidence supporting a known problem with vaccines or a vaccine.
    2. This does not apply to current prosecution or active governmental investigations because, by definition, the information is not suppressed. If the evidence was truly damaging, it would have been fully suppressed. All open issues must only contain non threatening information.
    3. By definition, the conspiracy must be successful at this time, or the information would be available and the conspiracy would be exposed and therefore no longer exist.
    4. The BP Conspiracy must be powerful and durable enough to defeat the forces against it which are substantial in their own right. BP must defeat or corrupt:
    .
    -Both the domestic and international press
    -International governments such and India who have no love for BP
    -Ex-employees and scientists who have the knowledge and where with all to develop or obtain such evidence.
    -Independent media outlets with easy access to the internet for information dissemination.
    .
    5. Given that this BP Conspiracy is this successful, what are the odds that Mike Adams down in Cedar Creek, Texas will find some real evidence to post on his NaturalNews.com? or mercola.com will post actual evidence?
    6. What are the odds that YOU will find any evidence clicking your way through the Internet? ZERO.
    7. This anti-vaxxer “truth”, whatever it is, has no evidence to support it because of BP so it is faith based. It is a religion.
    8. MSM, AlterNet, and all non-believers dismiss the “truth” and make the reasonable claim that “there is no other side” since it is entirely faith based.
    .
    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy is just an offshoot of the general Conspiracy Theory Fallacy that shows that an argument that requires the existence of a grand conspiracy must have no real supporting evidence and be based on irrational faith by its very nature. If you consider the possibility of a BP Conspiracy hiding a “truth” and compare it to the absence of a conspiracy where the “truth” is false, the resulting apparent situation and functioning reality is identical in both cases. There can be only be blind faith in the “truth”
    So Anti-vaxxers, you can make the claims you wish and rant about the issues but don’t claim, or even think, that you have any evidence to support it. You are a member of a new age religion who is fighting a grand conspiracy or jousting at windmills. There is no way for you to know the difference.

  • GG

    1.Measles, mumps and rubella spread in the air in droplets that are released from infected people, other people can inhale the droplets, the respiratory system is the natural port of entry, not an IM injection, the way the immune system reacts to a virus (by the way, people don’t get all 3 viruses at the same time usually as they do in vaccines) is totally different depending on the way that virus entered the body and after, if the disease us naturally acquired the person will always gets natural permanent immunity, however, a lot of fully vaccinated people acquire the disease because sometimes they don’t even develop antibodies and in other cases the immunity last just a short period of time and they develop other kind of autoimmune diseases which are described in vaccine inserts as adverse reactions and there are a lot…..like arthritis and diabetes mellitus for example.

    2.Formaldehyde is naturally produced in very small amounts in our bodies as a part of our normal, everyday metabolism and causes us no harm.

    However, Formaldehyde is irritating to tissues when it comes into direct contact with them. Some people are more sensitive to the effects of formaldehyde than others. The most common symptoms include irritation of the eyes, nose, and throat, along with increased tearing, which occurs at air concentrations of about 0.4-3 parts per million (ppm). NIOSH states that formaldehyde is immediately dangerous to life and health at 20 ppm.
    3. All of the 3 strains of poliovirus present in the polio vaccine( which is also given to children) is individually grown in vero cells, a continuous line of MONKEY kidney cells cultivated on microcarries.
    Measles and mumps viruses are attenuated using chick embryo cell culture. Rubella virus is attenuated in WI-38 HUMAN diploid lung fibroblasts.
    4. Bill gates words: “The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s heading up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new VACCINES, health care, reproductive health services, we could LOWER that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent”
    Sorry, those are facts, you can say whatever you want but you can’t change words and have your own facts……good luck

  • GG

    Co-Author of Lancet MMR-Autism Study Exonerated on All Charges of Professional Misconductcaption header: News Release

    http://www.ebcala.org/areas-of-law/vaccine-law/co-author-of-lancet-mmr-autism-study-exonerated-on-all-charges-of-professional-misconduct

  • GG

    Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.
    Singh VK1, Lin SX, Newell E, Nelson C.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

  • Justthefacts

    1. It infects through the eyes, lungs and then ENDS UP IN THE BLOODSTREAM. Its true that you don’r get infected by three diseases at once so I am interested in the studies or papers that show that to be a problem. Got any?

    2. .Formaldehyde is naturally produced in very small amounts in our bodies and the amount in vaccinations is even less. I’m glad we could agree on this.
    3. My post was about the MMR. “monkeys” do not apply to the MMR. human. chicken and cow applies to the MMR and those are harmless.

    4, Great job taking certain words out of context. Here is the remainder of the quote:

    “Over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be made, in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year from about 9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do three things in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile — ringworm and polio; get the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the vaccines — and we only need about six or seven more — and then you would have all the tools to reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything — the stability, the environment — benefits from that.”
    .
    Why is it that all I had to do was search on your quote to get the full quote? I’m not saying that you where lying. I am saying that some website lied to you.
    http://www.webcitation.org/6IdIEVWje
    .
    Sorry again. Just a fact.

  • GG

    See comment in PubMed Commons below
    JAMA. 2004 Jul 21;292(3):351-7.
    MMR vaccination and febrile seizures: evaluation of susceptible subgroups and long-term prognosis.
    Vestergaard M1, Hviid A, Madsen KM, Wohlfahrt J, Thorsen P, Schendel D, Melbye M, Olsen J.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15265850

  • GG

    Slow CCL2-dependent translocation of biopersistent particles from muscle to
    brain
    http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/99

  • GG

    Here is the video with the full quote, I think we are not talking about the same video, I didn’t take one word out of context……….

    BILL GATES EXPOSING DEPOPULATION PLANS OF AGENDA 21 ON LIVE SHOW

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3WXcRfsrTQ&index=5&list=PLgm8Ewh-1wubzYLezYNmY8A5TyCeMuagh

  • Justthefacts

    I posted the FULL video with his clear message. Reposting the edited audio with NO video (really, the Youtube video is audio only) should give you a hint its not ORIGNAL. Actually view and listen to and ACTUAL video that hasn’t been edited.
    You source sites are lying to you and you won’t take the time to find out that you are a dupe.
    we are not talking about the same video. I am taking about the REAL video.

  • Justthefacts

    I see now that it has video but view his response in my post. It’s all out of context.
    Did you bother to read the quote I supplied? Bill Gates is not trying to kill children openly, GET REAL.

  • GG

    Papers about 3 live viruses injected at the same time? I don’t think they have any, we and our children are an experiment………..

    But I will make something clear, my problem is not with the MMR vaccine only, is with all vaccines, since I consider them not safe and the wrong way to try to eliminate diseases…

    Here is an interesting study about aluminum….

    http://vaccinepapers.org/aluminum-experiments-part3/

    and here there are licensed MDs with a valid opinion:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNQVdOx87Ak

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/richard-moskowitz-m-d-the-case-against-immunizations/

  • GG

    Really? I can see his mouth in the video talking about the issue, it doesn’t look edited at all, you need to watch the whole video and obviously you didn’t and yes, I had watched the one you posted completely several times before. He contradicts himself, he even lie about Dr Wakefield and says that ” Well, Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have used absolutely fraudulent data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake paper, the journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no connection whatsoever again and again and again” and history is giving this man the reason he always had, he lost everything because he didn’t want to retract for fear along with his professor like the majority of his colleagues did, not even a considerable amount of human beings are willing to lose everything to defend what they consider the right thing to do, but finally is being recognized that these doctors were right:

    Co-Author of Lancet MMR-Autism Study Exonerated on All Charges of Professional Misconductcaption header: News Release

    http://www.ebcala.org/areas-of-law/vaccine-law/co-author-of-lancet-mmr-autism-study-exonerated-on-all-charges-of-professional-misconduct

    See comment in PubMed Commons below

    JAMA. 2004 Jul 21;292(3):351-7.

    MMR vaccination and febrile seizures: evaluation of susceptible subgroups and long-term prognosis.

    Vestergaard M1, Hviid A, Madsen KM, Wohlfahrt J, Thorsen P, Schendel D, Melbye M, Olsen J.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15265850

    Scientists fear MMR link to autism

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-link-autism.html

    Wakefield’s Science Proven Valid Again In New Study That Replicates Findings

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/01/wakefields-science-proven-valid-again-in-new-study-that-replicates-findings.html

  • GG

    He Is, get real….and I really think that this is not about Bill Gates, this is a forum about vaccines and the damages they cause which are real and there is proof of it. You talked in this forum about aluminum not being toxic and I entered several links with studies that proof the opposite. You talked about Dr Wakefield and I entered a linked showing how his professor was already exonerated in court last year. I talked about the damage of foreign DNA and RNA and you said it was just from the viruses and when I told you about monkeys, chick embryos and human cell from Aborted Fetuses, you mentioned only the chick embryos and didn’t even know about the human cells. What you are doing is extremely dangerous, since you don’t know what you are talking about, you are ignoring scientific studies completely and by doing that you are transmitting the wrong information to the people, but Thanks God, as you can realize, most of the people here have better knowledge. I will pray for You, you probably think you don’t need it, but honestly, I will pray for the light to open your mind, your eyes and your heart. God bless you

  • Mike Stevens

    Confirm

  • Mike Stevens

    You should, as a “doctor”, know that atypical measles was a hypersensitivity response to infection with measles virus in those who had the early, killed measles vaccine (and not the MMR).
    But then, you probably aren’t a doctor, so your ignorance of that is not really surprising.

  • Mike Stevens

    You also believe Charles Manson is not guilty, because Squeaky Fromme got parole?

  • GG

    hahahaha

  • Best. Rebuttal. Ever.

  • Excellent!

  • seniorcraig

    Yes, Mike Stevens is a physician, and a British shill who, so he says, works for the NHS, I wonder if the British taxpayer supports paying for him to spend hours writing on blogs like this?

    Keep it up, GG. Mike thinks that everyone who doesn’t agree with him is ignorant and yes, he’s a bully.

  • GG

    Really? My God! A physician and he doesn’t even read a vaccine insert before giving an opinion about it….no wonder why the world is sooooo sick….Thank You:-)

  • laurie Umbriaco

    Dr. Andew Wakefield…

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Perhaps you should triple-dog-dare Voices for Vaccines, but even if you do, why would they sue someone who is probably judgment-proof?

  • Justthefacts

    You replied to may post about the MMR so its nice that you admitted that you are trying to hijack the discussion to talk about your issues. We’ll it’s settled that the MMR is fine. lets talk about the sources you posted:

    That study by Christopher Shaw and Lucija Tomljenovic, titled Administration of aluminium to neonatal mice in vaccine-relevant amounts is associated with adverse long term neurological outcomes” that you post is based (back in December 2011,. This study received significant funding from The Dwoskin Family Foundation which is the website it is quoted on and this foundation is openily anti-vaxx. This paper is not published by a peer reviewed journal. Here is a very detailed analysis of its flaws:
    .
    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/12/08/and-global-warming-is-caused-by-the-decr/


    Now I know you are not going to read this link, but just be aware that there is an easily available answer for every anti=vaxx link you can post. If there wasn’t, then people would REALLY be doing something about it. You know this and I know you don’t care any more than you did when you hijacked the subject from the MMR vaccine. This is about your agenda, not the truth.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Typical antivax narcissism. They survived the diseases OK, so someone who didn’t, who had complications and was permanently damaged, there was something wrong with them.

    Of course, I survived my vaccinations just fine, and so did my children, so it’s impossible to see what objective value this line of argument could have. It’s just a way Sick of Liars can puff his (or her) chest!

    My cousin survived Auschwitz. The illogicality goes on and on.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    and most children get over them without any complications

    Most? So: what about the others?

  • Justthefacts

    We were supposed to be talking about the MMR but lets settle the Bill gates crap. If you believe Bill Gates is trying to poison vaccines and kill billions of people, you are a lunatic and this discussion is over. Is that the case?

  • Justthefacts

    If you really think that Bill Gates is trying to poison vaccines and kill billions of people, you are a lunatic and I’m sure other people on this site are not as “out there” as you.

  • GG

    Yes, that’s the case……..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6ayb02bwp0

  • GG

    I’m a lunatic…yes, and your diagnosis? OCD?

  • GG

    My agenda? hijack? Well….there should be something wrong with you. You know, we are more than 50 000 in the support group, all with kids damaged by vaccines, all lunatics probably… The person who created this website has a son damaged by vaccines. I really don’t understand why are you here? to teach us what? That you are right and the incidence of autism is growing just as a coincidence? That the scientific studies performed by scientists and doctors called antivaxx because they realized what you don’t are all lunatics? That only the studies financed by vaccine manufactures are valid? Wow…perfect, then go and get your next vaccine……..

  • > “Yes, most people are too stupid to link the two, but we non-vaxxers know how to smell a rat when we see one.”

    I literally laughed out loud when I read this.

    So, Jennifer White doesn’t have a newborn, didn’t take the baby to the doctor, and wasn’t informed the baby was exposed to measles? We’re supposed to believe, based on the title and poster image, (which is all most will see) that it was all a PR stunt. Interesting.

    Jennifer Hibben-White lives in Canada, but I believe she has the same right to free speech as we do in the U.S. That doesn’t change because her dad is an investor. And no, there’s no disclosure necessary.

    This is why parents like me stopped listening to the anti-vaxxer tantrums.

  • > “Yes, most people are too stupid to link the two, but we non-vaxxers know how to smell a rat when we see one.”

    I literally laughed out loud when I read this.

    So, Jennifer White doesn’t have a newborn, didn’t take the baby to the doctor, and wasn’t informed the baby was exposed to measles? We’re supposed to believe, based on the title and poster image, (which is all most will see) that it was all a PR stunt. Interesting.

    Jennifer Hibben-White lives in Canada, but I believe she has the same right to free speech as we do in the U.S. That doesn’t change because her dad is an investor. And no, there’s no disclosure necessary. She’s a grown woman. Doesn’t live with Daddy anymore.

    Stalking her Facebook page, posting it to Youtube, calling her a liar, a pig, and worse? Creepy.

    Equal rights, even for Moms. Even if those moms say things you don’t like.

    This is why parents like me stopped listening to the anti-vaxxers a long time ago.

  • So what is your intention of being here then? By your own admission, you’re not here to learn any new information.

    Your profile says you are a social media manager, Brooke. Are you commenting on here because you truly believe in what you say or because you were paid to do so?

    Thanks in advance.

  • Justthefacts

    Thanks for the ammunition. The next time an anti-vaxxer posts a link from this site I can show them how anti-vaxxers are extreme conspiracy theorist and are just crazy. They think Bib Gates is trying to poison and kill billions. This is the best argument I’ve heard against the anti-vaxx movement since the beginning.

    . The reason I use the term “crazy” is because if such evidence actually existed, he would be in prison. This is completely beyond your ability to understand so you really have a mental condition and are probably also a 911 truther. Here is the bottom line concerning your conspiracy theories:

    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy
    .
    The necessary explanation used by anti-vaxxers to explain why the “truth” is not generally known is that there is a conspiracy between Big Pharma, the media, and the government to suppress the truth. We will refer to them collectively as “BP”. Let’s logically examine this case with the assumption that this situation is true.
    .
    1. BP has the ability to suppress evidence supporting a known problem with vaccines or a vaccine.
    2. This does not apply to current prosecution or active governmental investigations because, by definition, the information is not suppressed. If the evidence was truly damaging, it would have been fully suppressed. All open issues must only contain non threatening information.
    3. By definition, the conspiracy must be successful at this time, or the information would be available and the conspiracy would be exposed and therefore no longer exist.
    4. The BP Conspiracy must be powerful and durable enough to defeat the forces against it which are substantial in their own right. BP must defeat or corrupt:
    .
    -Both the domestic and international press
    -International governments such and India who have no love for BP
    -Ex-employees and scientists who have the knowledge and where with all to develop or obtain such evidence.
    -Independent media outlets with easy access to the internet for information dissemination.
    .
    5. Given that this BP Conspiracy is this successful, what are the odds that Mike Adams down in Cedar Creek, Texas will find some real evidence to post on his NaturalNews.com? or mercola.com will post actual evidence?
    6. What are the odds that YOU will find any evidence clicking your way through the Internet? ZERO.
    7. This anti-vaxxer “truth”, whatever it is, has no evidence to support it because of BP so it is faith based. It is a religion.
    8. MSM, AlterNet, and all non-believers dismiss the “truth” and make the reasonable claim that “there is no other side” since it is entirely faith based.
    .
    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy is just an offshoot of the general Conspiracy Theory Fallacy that shows that an argument that requires the existence of a grand conspiracy must have no real supporting evidence and be based on irrational faith by its very nature. If you consider the possibility of a BP Conspiracy hiding a “truth” and compare it to the absence of a conspiracy where the “truth” is false, the resulting apparent situation and functioning reality is identical in both cases. There can be only be blind faith in the “truth”
    So Anti-vaxxers, you can make the claims you wish and rant about the issues but don’t claim, or even think, that you have any evidence to support it. You are a member of a new age religion who is fighting a grand conspiracy or jousting at windmills. There is no way for you to know the difference.

  • Justthefacts

    Are you an 911 truther also?

  • Justthefacts

    I posted about the MMR. You responded and failed in your arguments so you changed the discussion to other vaccines. That’s a fact. YOU responded to MY discussion on the MMR.
    I responded to your links on the other vaccines and shot them down. your response was “50,000 people can’t be wrong”. Your only hope of maintaining your illusions IS to change the subject each time.
    I accept your surrender on both subjects.

  • Lou

    Dear Baby Griffin

    I am so sorry you are being used as a pawn in the great “forced vaccination” battle. You like all innocent life have not learned to fear. lie and hate. It is so sad we adults cannot somehow be as honest as you.

    Fear, lies and hate comprise too much of this battle to FORCE everyone to make sure EVERYONE is “vaccinated” for everything. If your parents want to prevent you from getting measles I suggest they explore Vitamins C, D and A as a salubrious method to replace toxic “vaccination”

    http://genesgreenbook.com/helpers/flashgallery/obamsawin/fig09_england_scurvy_pertussis_parallel_mortality_rates_per_hundred_thousand.jpg

    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/09/07/vitamin-c-for-whooping-cough-updated-edition-suzanne-humphries-md/

    Suzanne concentrates on vitamin C for treatment but I am sure vitamin C can also obviate a serious measles infection as can vitamins D and A..

    “For over 100 years, there has been a strong association with vitamin A deficiency and adverse measles outcomes, especially in young children. Has the time come for the medical community to recognize that any child presenting with measles complications should be given vitamin A and evaluated for overall nutritional status? If not, what has history taught us?” Adrianne Bendich, 1992 Note this powerful paper MUST be read. Vitamins A, C and D can completely obviate all “need” for “vaccination” IMO

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_measles.htm

  • Lou

    Oh please. There are 100 billion atoms of mercury in over 100 million “flu shots” given each year.

    “Aluminum is a coagulator or flocculant. Aluminum has a plus three electrical charge. All positive cations are “coagulators”, they cause particles with mass to come together, agglomerate, sediment, “sludge”Â. Aluminum
    has 84 times the capacity to cause agglomeration (sludging) as does Sodium (Na+), an element with a singular positive charge.” Andrew Moulden MD, PhD, Note do you really want this sludge producer in your child’s blood?

    “Far from being a sandbag that holds the antigen for a
    while and then gets excreted, it turns out that aluminum salts trigger a storm of defense action. Within hours of injection of the same aluminum oxyhydroxide in vaccines into mice, for example, armies of specialized immune cells are on the move, calling in grid coordinates for more specialist assault forces. Within a day, a whole host of immune system commandos are in play — neutrophils,
    eosinophils, inflammatory monocytes, myeloid and dendritic cells, activating lymphocytes and secreting proteins called cytokines.” Attacking Ourselves: Top Doctors Reveal Vaccines Turn Our Immune System Against Us

    “A PubMed search on aluminum and “toxicity” turns up 4,258 entries. Its neurotoxicity is well documented. It affects memory, cognition, psychomotor control; it damages the blood brain barrier, activates brain
    inflammation, depresses mitochondrial function and plenty of research suggests it is a key player in the formation of the amyloid “plaques” and tangles in the
    brains of Alzheimer’s patients. It’s been implicated in
    Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis and autism and demonstrated to induce allergy.” Attacking Ourselves: Top Doctors Reveal Vaccines Turn Our Immune System Against Us

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_aluminum.htm

  • Lou

    “But dont take my word for it that’s the entire point of this comment. Go
    look for yourself and try to find any recent paper that supports that
    ridiculous and debunked claim.”

    https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1678/1835/original.jpg?w=800&h

  • Lou

    “After reviewing some of the CDC data received by Dr. Thompson, as well as data records acquired through
    freedom of information submissions, Prof. Hooker discovered that the CDC has known since 2001 that children exposed to thimerosal in utero were 800 percent more likely to regress into autism. This data was intentionally excluded from the CDC paper published in the journal Pediatrics in an effort to disprove a himerosal-autism association. During the radio broadcast, Prof. Hooker unearthed evidence that the CDC has known for a decade that children receiving the MMR vaccines on schedule were nearly 300 percent more likely to regress into autism compared to children whose parents decided to withhold the vaccine until after the child was older.” What if the Vaccine Paradigm itself is Deliberately Flawed? Note Doctor Thompson’s CDC team Showed one strongly probable DIRECT cause of Autism; the MMR “vaccination”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjriieOUc_w&list=UUFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw&index=64

  • Lou

    “The MMR uses measles to work so its using the natural body mechanisms.”

    The wild measles virus is NOT included in the MMR. A man made measles virus is used. This man made measles virus has been found in the gut of 96% of autistic kids.

    Please get a life. These are kids lives you are playing with. The MMR is a toxic and DANGEROUS outrage.

    “The MMR injection does not contain thimerosal, as the mercury would kill the live viruses in the vaccine. And the greatest danger appears to come from the measles virus, which is known to suppress immunity much the way the HIV virus does. Measles is also associated with encephalitis, gastrointestinal ailments and possibly autism. Of particular concern was the finding that the [measles vaccine] virus can persist in the body for an entire lifetime. Autopsy studies of seniors who had died of
    unrelated diseases revealed that 45% had live measles virus culture taken from their tissue, while 20% had it sampled from their brain. Researchers were especially concerned when they found that these viruses were highly mutated — meaning they had the ability to perpetuate a variety of new diseases. Experts suspect that Lou Gehrig’s, multiple sclerosis and sub-acute sclerosis panencephalitis are all caused by measles viruses.” Autism: The Silent Enemy Doctor Russell MD Note these viruses are the man made “measles vaccine” viruses. This is an EXCELLENT treatise on many “vaccine” issues. You NEED to read it!

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_mmr.htm

    .

  • Lou

    “The measles infects you by entering your bloodstream. There is no other infection mechanism and that is no different than the shot. either way, the measles ends up in your bloodstream”

    If you are an MD I pity your patients. You Sir are isinformed or dis informing us at every turn. Please learn a little of the measles basics.

    Measles, also known as rubeola, is a viral infection of the respiratory system.

  • Mike Stevens

    As a doctor, you should know what the reported adverse events on package inserts actually mean. It appears you don’t.

    A diagnosis of atypical measles would rest upon clinical and virologically verifiable information in the case, rather than reliance on package inserts.

  • Mike Stevens

    My God! A doctor who doesn’t understand the meaning of vaccine inserts, and doesn’t know what atypical measles is, and when it happens? No wonder the world is soooo sick.

  • Mike Stevens

    And you are a shill for who? The manufacturers of childrens’ coffins?

  • Mike Stevens

    For a “doctor” you seem to know very little about toxicology.
    You do realise that the infant liver makes around 60 times the amount of formaldehyde every single day than there is in any vaccine? If you don’t want any in your child’s body then you have a problem… Not many pediatric surgeons regard fear of formaldehyde as a valid indication for total hepatectomy.

  • Justthefacts

    There is more mercury in a serving of fish than in all vacccines combined. Your own linke points out that one aluminum soda can is capable of delivering 4 mg of aluminum which is 10 to 100 time more aluminum than in a vaccine. Aluminum Cooking pots and pans do much, much more on a daily basis.

    You don’t even realize that the evidence against there being a problem with aluminum was paragraph seven in your VERY OWN LINK. You just choose to read things the way you want to read them. The propose of an “adjuvant” is to help “trigger a storm of defense action” to help make the vaccine work. That’s its purpose.

    You are in such denial that you can’t even see it in your own link. Here it is again, from your own link, so you can read it again:
    “Drinking soda from a can can deliver 4 mg of aluminum.”
    Your argument is dead.

  • Justthefacts

    Old news. Hooker was discovered to be a fraud and his paper on this subject was pulled from the journal. Here is the link:

    http://www.translationalneurodegeneration.com/content/3/1/22

    Thompson was found to also be wrong:

    http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp

    Thompson admits its a fraud and comes out provaxx.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/now-retracted-autism-study-viral/story?id=25248179

    Stop reading natrualnews and mercola. They don’t give you all of the facts

  • Justthefacts

    The truth about measles vaccine encephalopathy –
    .
    Measles vaccine encephalopathy is a real thing and it affects about 8 in 1 million vaccinated people. The effects can be very bad and it can cause death.
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_disseminated_encephalomyelitis
    .
    What causes this condition is the measles itself, not the vaccine system, so there is nothing that can be done about it. Measles itself causes encephalopathy and the important thing to remember is that 1 in 1000 measles victims get encephalopathy.
    .
    http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html
    .
    If the Measles vaccine was stopped today, 1000 out of every million measles cases would result in encephalopathy. Before the vaccine was available, there were an average of 4000 cases of encephalopathy per year.
    .
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/faqs-dis-vac-risks.htm
    .
    The simple fact is that 992 cases of encephalopathy per million people are prevented by using the measles vaccine. The choice we have is to make 4000 suffer per year without recourse or have 8 suffer per million vaccinations who are entitled to awards for vaccine injury. Those are the only options.
    .
    I know it’s hard to understand the facts of the condition when you have a child that has suffered from the condition but the cause is the measles, not the process of vaccinations. This one of the tough decisions that has to be made and ignoring the facts by blaming vaccinations does nothing but put more people at risk for encephalopathy from the measles.
    .
    Sorry, but those are the facts.

  • Justthefacts

    This is from the MMR insert:
    ” M-M-R II is a sterile lyophilized preparation of ATTENUVAX® (Measles Virus Vaccine Live), a more attenuated line of measles virus, derived from Enders’ attenuated Edmonston strain and propagated in chick embryo cell culture;”

    It is not “man made” You know nothing of vaccine science”

    Undisputable Logic:
    .
    1. There have been 5263 cases filed and heard by the vaccine court. See link below.
    2. Each case has a team of lawyers and resources dedicated to wining the case. Many of the same law firms that won the breast implant cases where involved.
    3. The average award from the vaccine court is 1.6 million dollars. The motivation for winning these cases was very high.
    4. The money involved has lead to the use of expert scientific witnesses to support these cases with research and testing financed by law firms.
    5. This effort to collect data and win these cases lasted for 15 years.
    6. In all of that time, not one case of 5263 cases was won. Autism was never attributed to vaccines.
    7. Question – Do you think you can do a better job of finding evidence that autism is caused by vaccines than all of the resources applied to these cases? – No.
    8. Do you currently have evidence or will you currently find evidence that autism is caused by vaccines? No.
    9. If you believe that autism is caused by vaccines and have no current evidence to support it, the belief is solely based on faith.
    10. Autism/vaccine connection belief is faith based, like religion.
    .
    There is no other side. There is no evidence that vaccines cause autism. As of today, the question is settled. It is perfectly reasonable to dismiss this claim until and unless new data in found.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court

  • Justthefacts

    Measles enters you blood stream through the respiratory system. If it didn’t enter the blood stream then you could not get the measles rash now could you? Your denial makes you say very silly things that a normal person would know better than to say. Just stop and try to be rational for a minute and try to figure out how you can get a measles rash is measles in not in the bloodstream? Do magic fairies do it?

    Ray Obomsawin PhD cherry picked and presented fraudulent data pointed out here:

    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/10/12/meryl-dorey-meet-orac/

    His response was as follows:

    “The software that I was using to create the graph did not allow for the creation of either a blank space or a dotted line between 1959 and 1968. There was no intent to be dishonest about this, and thanks to your blog, I will make it a point to specifically note on the graph that there is an absence of incidence data in this period.”
    He knowinly presented false data and still does. He is a crank.

  • Lou

    “There is more mercury in a serving of fish than in all vacccines combined”

    Yes and your child gets a tuna sandwich injected into his body EACH and EVERY month.

    “Drinking soda from a can can deliver 4 mg of aluminum.”

    Again it is very difficult to inject a can of soda.

    Please drop this canard it is making you look bad.

    Doctor Moulden on Society’s problem with “Vaccination” and
    MANY diseases.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RZXM-TKvLN8#t=0

  • Lou

    “What causes this condition is the measles itself, not the vaccine system,”

    Your ignorance knows no bounds. There is NO WILD measles virus in the “measles vaccine”. What is swelling these children’s brains is the “measles vaccine” and the concomitant MMR vaccination.

    AND sub-clinical “MMR vaccination” encephalitis is COMMON.

    “Sorry, but those are the facts.” Sir please STOP saying this OBVIOUS crap.

  • Justthefacts

    You not only don’t know about vaccines, you don’t know how digestion works either. If you swallow it, it ends up in your bloodstream. How do you think digestion works?

  • Justthefacts

    Are you talking about the doctor who lost his medical license for fraud concerning autism and vaccines?

  • Justthefacts

    MMR Insert information:

    ” M-M-R II is a sterile lyophilized preparation of ATTENUVAX® (Measles Virus Vaccine Live), a more attenuated line of measles virus, derived from Enders’ attenuated Edmonston strain and
    propagated in chick embryo cell culture.”
    You are wrong about this and many other things.

  • Lou

    I don’t suppose you care about children with autism but if you do you can follow Doctor Wakefield’s insightful lead and do something about autism.

    NO money in it eh? More lucrative to tell lies on the net. Yeah I suspect you are correct.

    “Autism is primarily a disorder of the brain, but research suggests that as many as nine out of 10 individuals with the condition also suffer from gastrointestinal problems such as inflammatory bowel disease and ‘leaky gut’…Scientists have long wondered whether the
    composition of bacteria in the intestines, known as the gut microbiome, might be abnormal in people with autism and drive some of these symptoms. Now a spate of new studies supports this notion and suggests that restoring
    proper microbial balance could alleviate some of the disorder’s behavioral symptoms.”

    Culprits of Autism Identified: Toxins, Gut Bacteria, Nutritional Deficiencies, and Vaccines Made with Human Fetal Cell Lines and other toxins “Rarely does a whistleblower emerge from the federal health agencies. Government and corporate entities that are notoriously
    hierarchical, such as the CDC, FDA, and Health and Human Services, ruthlessly prevent dissension from their ranks. In the Obama era, when whistleblowers are persecuted more than ever before, it is an act of great
    courage for a person to come forth and reveal government malfeasance, corruption, and criminal behavior. Therefore, it was a shocking surprise last year when a senior epidemiologist at the CDC, Dr. William
    Thompson, acted upon his moral conscience and released thousands of pages of CDC documents with research data to Congress that unveil the agencies long
    history of fraudulent studies and medical cover-ups that hid the serious failures and health risks of vaccines.” What if the Vaccine Paradigm itself is Deliberately Flawed?

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_autism.htm

  • Lou

    “Measles vaccine encephalopathy is a real thing and it affects about 8 in 1 million vaccinated people. The effects can be very bad and it can cause death.”

    Please beware of Wiki it is famous for its disinformation. For example your statement is PARTLY correct but the NUMBERS are WAY off.

    The MMR may be causing 10 times/1000 the encephalitis as the wild measles used ti cause

  • Lou

    “It is not “man made” You know nothing of vaccine science”

    Show me some evidence where this man made virus has been isolated in NATURE and not a bio-lab or a subject injected with this man made virus?

    NO Wiki or other bogus references please.

    I suspect my knowledge of the viral world exceeds your quick reference sheet. Alghough I admit your data computer has more facts cataloged and readily available than I do.

  • Lou

    “He knowinly presented false data and still does. He is a crank.”

    Oh yes just as EVERY VAXX critic is.

    Let me ask you a simple question. What percentage of the childhood diseases did “vaccination” eliminate?

    Speaking of presenting false data YOU Sir take a back seat to no one.

  • Justthefacts

    Your denial is strong but I’ll make you read the truth:

    Between July 2007 and May 2010, a 217-day “fitness to practise” hearing of the UK General Medical Council examined charges of professional misconduct against Wakefield and two colleagues involved in the paper in The Lancet. The charges included that he:

    “Was being paid to conduct the study by solicitors representing parents who believed their children had been harmed by MMR”.

    Ordered investigations “without the requisite paediatric qualifications” including colonoscopies, colon biopsies and lumbar punctures (“spinal taps”) on his research subjects without the approval of his department’s ethics board and contrary to the children’s clinical interests, when these diagnostic tests were not indicated by the children’s symptoms or medical history.

    “Act[ed] ‘dishonestly and irresponsibly’ in failing to disclose … how patients were recruited for the study”.

    “Conduct[ed] the study on a basis not approved by the hospital’s ethics committee.”

    Purchased blood samples—for £5 each—from children present at his son’s birthday party, which Wakefield joked about in a later presentation.

    “[S]howed callous disregard for any distress or pain the children might suffer”

    Wakefield denied the charges; on 28 January 2010, the GMC ruled against Wakefield on all issues, stating that he had “failed in his duties as a responsible consultant”, acted against the interests of his patients, and “dishonestly and irresponsibly” in his controversial research. On 24 May 2010 he was struck off the United Kingdom medical register. It was the harshest sanction that the GMC could impose, and effectively ended his career as a doctor. In announcing the ruling, the GMC said that Wakefield had “brought the medical profession into disrepute,” and no sanction short of erasing his name from the register was appropriate for the “serious and wide-ranging findings” of misconduct.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

    As for Dr Thompson, he is pro-vaccine and never released any papers:

    Thompson said he didn’t know Hooker was recording their phone conversations and “was not given a choice” about whether his name would be publicized. In a statement issued through his lawyer he confirmed his concerns about the 2004 study findings but stressed that he believes “vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives.”

    “I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race,” he said in the statement.

    The CDC confirmed that Thompson continues to be employed by the agency despite what he said were rumors that he was escorted from the building when his identity was exposed.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/now-retracted-autism-study-viral/story?id=25248179

  • Justthefacts

    I posted my source. You post yours

    The actual source was:

    Leake JA, Albani S, Kao AS et al. (August 2004). “Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis in childhood: epidemiologic, clinical and laboratory features”. Pediatr. Infect. Dis. J. 23 (8): 756–64. doi:10.1097/01.inf.0000133048.75452.dd. PMID 15295226.

  • Justthefacts

    I posted my source. You post yours

    The actual source was:

    Leake JA, Albani S, Kao AS et al. (August 2004). “Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis in childhood: epidemiologic, clinical and laboratory features”. Pediatr. Infect. Dis. J. 23 (8): 756–64. doi:10.1097/01.inf.0000133048.75452.dd. PMID 15295226.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15295226

  • Lou

    No YOU are complicit with gates and for WHAT 30 pieces of silver?

  • Justthefacts

    The Enders’ attenuated Edmonston strain was isolated from an 11 year old boy:

    Enders’ attenuated Edmonston strain. Edmonston wild-type (wt) measles virus (Parks et al., 2001). In 1954, the measles virus was isolated from an 11-year old boy from
    the US, David Edmonston, and adapted and propagated on chick embryo tissue culture (CE).

    https://explorevaccines.wordpress.com/2011/04/03/name-that-strain/

    You are in over your head.

  • Justthefacts

    I posted the evidence. You posted nothing.

  • Lou

    Bill Gates outlined his plans for polio eradication on the UK’s BBC television last night as the invited guest to deliver the annual Richard Dimbleby lecture. Instead of feting Gates, the BBC’s journalists should have been spelling out what Bill Gates’s plans mean and the concern the aim of polio eradication is impossible in any event.

    In 2006 Science ran articles reporting how experts involved in attempted eradication had become highly skeptical about and doubted the ability ever to eradicate polio: Polio eradication: is it time to give up? Science May 12, 2006 Roberts, Leslie

    But Gates ploughs on regardless whilst his plans will result in causing thousands of cases of a twice as
    deadly indistinguishable disease, called non polio accute flaccid paralysis [NPAFP]. This will be the result of the especially intensive vaccination campaigns which it seems will continue until not one case of polio is reported: New Paper – Polio Vaccine – Disease Caused by Vaccine Twice As Fatal – Polio Eradication Impossible

    To get an idea of the figures take the 47,500 NPAFP cases just in India against the 205 cases total worldwide of polio. Bill Gates wants to cause the current NPAFP
    equivalent of 235 years of polio cases but for a disease, NPAFP which is twice as fatal as polio. Third world children and their families will pay the price with Bill tucked up comfortably in Seattle USA with his
    billions.

    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/bill-gates-polio-eradication-plans-to-cause-the-polio-equivalent-of-235-years-of-cases-of-a-twice-as-deadly-disease/

  • Justthefacts

    With your next post on AlterNet, I’ll point out that you believe that Bill Gates is trying to intentionally poison a billion people with vaccines

    That is value enough at discrediting your arguments.
    Are you an 911 truther also?

  • Lou

    OMG how long have you been asleep?

    The BIGGEST Criminals are RUNNING things.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM

  • Justthefacts

    •Another antivaccination group is pushing the story that Gates is at fault for 47,500 paralysis cases after polio vaccine in India. However, the CDC has reported that there have been no cases of polio in India since 2011, compared to the 741 case in 2009. The paralysis cases were identified as non polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis, which can result from any number of non-polio viruses or bacterium. In this case, non-polio enteroviruses were identified as the cause, and not polio that resulted from the vaccines themselves. In fact, as I discussed before, polio vaccines may spontaneously recombine in the wild, and can be transmitted to other humans. However, in India with a population of 1.2 billion people, there have only been a few cases of actual polio from recombination events. If it were widespread, we’d see millions of cases, but we don’t. Debunked. Here are the links:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19712176

  • Justthefacts

    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy
    .
    The necessary explanation used by anti-vaxxers to explain why the “truth” is not generally known is that there is a conspiracy between Big Pharma, the media, and the government to suppress the truth. We will refer to them collectively as “BP”. Let’s logically examine this case with the assumption that this situation is true.
    .
    1. BP has the ability to suppress evidence supporting a known problem with vaccines or a vaccine.
    2. This does not apply to current prosecution or active governmental investigations because, by definition, the information is not suppressed. If the evidence was truly damaging, it would have been fully suppressed. All open issues must only contain non threatening information.
    3. By definition, the conspiracy must be successful at this time, or the information would be available and the conspiracy would be exposed and therefore no longer exist.
    4. The BP Conspiracy must be powerful and durable enough to defeat the forces against it which are substantial in their own right. BP must defeat or corrupt:
    .
    -Both the domestic and international press
    -International governments such and India who have no love for BP
    -Ex-employees and scientists who have the knowledge and where with all to develop or obtain such evidence.
    -Independent media outlets with easy access to the internet for information dissemination.
    .
    5. Given that this BP Conspiracy is this successful, what are the odds that Mike Adams down in Cedar Creek, Texas will find some real evidence to post on his NaturalNews.com? or mercola.com will post actual evidence?
    6. What are the odds that YOU will find any evidence clicking your way through the Internet? ZERO.
    7. This anti-vaxxer “truth”, whatever it is, has no evidence to support it because of BP so it is faith based. It is a religion.
    8. MSM, AlterNet, and all non-believers dismiss the “truth” and make the reasonable claim that “there is no other side” since it is entirely faith based.
    .
    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy is just an offshoot of the general Conspiracy Theory Fallacy that shows that an argument that requires the existence of a grand conspiracy must have no real supporting evidence and be based on irrational faith by its very nature. If you consider the possibility of a BP Conspiracy hiding a “truth” and compare it to the absence of a conspiracy where the “truth” is false, the resulting apparent situation and functioning reality is identical in both cases. There can be only be blind faith in the “truth”
    So Anti-vaxxers, you can make the claims you wish and rant about the issues but don’t claim, or even think, that you have any evidence to support it. You are a member of a new age religion who is fighting a grand conspiracy or jousting at windmills. There is no way for you to know the difference.

  • randomname

    By breaking down food into small particles. You’re talking about absorption. Different process entirely.

  • Justthefacts

    And mercury and Aluminum end up in the bloodstream. I can’t believe we are still going over this.

  • Mike Stevens

    Your “knowledge” seems to neglect the facts that O’Leary’s Unigenetics lab was found to have had false positive measles PCR.
    Steve Bustin’s investigation revealed that these were all due to laboratory contamination.
    This might help you:
    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/06/26/the-autism-omnibus-the-difference-betwee/

  • JB

    Well, here’s the
    facts:

    1. Over two dozen studies, including ones that predate Wakefield by over two
    decades, validate his research. You can see the list athttp://healthimpactnews.com/…/new-published-study…/.

    2. Wakefield’s co-author was completely exonerated 3 years ago of any
    wrongdoing in the study. In that ruling, the special judge destroyed every
    single argument against them both, effectively validating that study as well.
    You can read that case ruling athttp://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2012/503.html

    3. The premise of the Wakefield study, as well as the others cited above, was
    not that vaccines cause autism, but that in autistic kids there was increased
    levels of bowel inflammation, which is a know side effect of the MMR vaccine.
    It was people jumping to the conclusion that took the study, misinterpreted it,
    and then caused the uproar.

    4. Dr. Vijendra Singh has published several studies that show autoimmunity
    disorder in autistic children, including antibodies to MMR.

  • Justthefacts

    Your links are all dead. Name the “co-author”

    Peter Lachmann, the president of the Academy of Medical Sciences, United Kingdom, stated: “Singh’s work in these papers is not particularly reproducible or good… There are many diseases which show raised antibodies to measles, for example chronic active hepatitis or multiple sclerosis, yet there is nothing to associate these with MMR. There is no persuasive evidence that autism is caused by autoimmunity

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-171540/International-evidence-MMR.html#ixzz2decHOKey

  • Lou

    It is obvious you know as much about digestion as you know about autism.

    Mercury has 3 forms: (1) elemental mercury, (2) inorganic salts, and (3) organic compounds. Perhaps the most deadly form of mercury is methylmercury. Only 2-10% of the ingested mercury is absorbed from the gut, and ingested elemental mercury is not absorbed at all; however, 90%
    of any methylmercury ingested is absorbed into the bloodstream from the GI tract. (See the images below.)

    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1175560-overview

  • Lou

    Doctor Wakefield is lucky he was not murdered instead of being WRONGLY and POLITICALLY punished by criminals.

    The CDC has clinical evidence the deadly MMR causes autism.

    https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1678/1835/original.jpg?w=800&h

    And shills like you have another good honest doctor to attack.

  • Lou

    Your old news is OLD NEWS, as you well know as a well paid shill.

    “John O’Leary, PhD a world-class researcher and molecular biologist from Ireland, using state of
    the art sequencing technology, showed how he had found measles virus in the gut of 96% of autistic children, compared to 6.6% of normal children. This virus did
    not come from the natural disease; it came from the measles vaccine.”

    The mainstream media’s official position regarding vaccines and autism has been that it has been “proven that there is no link”, and Dr.Andrew Wakefield is used as the standard scapegoat being presented as a“disgraced doctor” who supposedly got caught fabricating his study. Of course, Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s study has been replicated in at least 28 other studies, and no case has ever been won against Dr. Wakefield in a court of law.
    Litigation is still pending, and one of the doctors who was a co-author in the study has been completely exonerated in the U.K.

    Yet, the man who supposedly conducted studies for the CDC proving that vaccines do not cause autism, is a wanted criminal for stealing millions of dollars from the CDC, and is still on the run from the law. But that story is seldom, if ever, reported in the mainstream media.
    (See: CDC Vaccine Link to Autism Scandal: The Wrong Man was Condemned)

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/cdc-caught-hiding-data-showing-mercury-in-vaccines-linked-to-autism/5430305

    “Pediatricians are the last people we should trust with our children. They play on parents’ fears and on parental caring and love while they deliberately attack their young patients with known neurological poisons. Even though the 2004 Institute of Medicine report accepted that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative in vaccines, can injure the nervous system, doctors continue to inject mercury into their young patients. In drinking water, mercury cannot exceed 2 parts per billion. A liquid with more than 200 parts per billion of mercury is considered hazardous waste. A mercury-containing flu shot vial has 25,000 parts per billion of mercury.” The Terror of Pediatric Medicine.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_autism_intro.htm

  • Justthefacts

    You just can deal with being wrong, can you?

    The highest dose of thimerosal in the worse case single dose vaccine injection is less than 1 microgram. The amount of mercury salts in a can on tuna is 18 micrograms. As you have shown, the absorbing rate of mercury salts is 2-10% so one worse case vaccine injection is equal to 1 to 2 cans of tuna. Most have no thimerosal at all, including the MMR.

    You are just wrong. Deal with it.

    http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/guide.asp

    http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

  • Justthefacts

    So you agree he lost his license in England. Good.

    Here is a quote from his hearing:

    “In announcing the ruling, the GMC said that Wakefield had “brought the medical profession into disrepute,” and no sanction short of erasing his name from the register was appropriate for the “serious and wide-ranging findings” of misconduct”
    Please post about Wakefield again since I love posting the facts about this criminal. Next I’ll post all of the articles of his that have been retracted for fraud. There are pages and pages of his crimes. I hope he is not enjoying his forced retirement in Texas.
    I DARE YOU!!! POST THAT CRIMIAL”S NAME AGAIN AND I”LL POST PAGES OF HIS CRIMES.

  • Justthefacts

    You really should stop getting you information from shill websites. Did they happen to tell you that O’Leary (who was a party to Wakefield’s fraud) had his tests refused in court? Maybe you should read The Sunday Times:
    .
    http://briandeer.com/mmr/oleary-pcr.htm
    .
    It follows claims made in the High Court of anomalies in O’Leary’s laboratory reports on samples from hundreds of autistic children who are allegedly victims of the MMR vaccine. Along with earlier research by Wakefield, which was discredited in February after a Sunday Times investigation, O’Leary’s tests have been seen as critical to the claim linking the vaccine with autism.

    Experts for the three companies, who have had access to some of O’Leary’s raw data, have claimed in court that the samples could have been contaminated and were incorrectly reported. If this is so, it would be a big blow to the families’ case and to Wakefield’s campaign for single jabs to replace the MMR triple inoculation.
    You are a sad, sad man. there is a truthful answer to every anti-vaxx claims made based on partial information.

  • Justthefacts

    How Anti-Vaxxers have damaged the search for the cause for autism
    .
    1. Dan Olmsted published columns for United Press International claiming that autism rates where very low in the Amish community and they did not vaccinate. This caused many researchers to investigate the claim as a possible lead on autism causes.
    2. It turned out that his data was mostly anecdotal and a study published in “Pediatrics” in 2011 concluded that the majority of Amish parents vaccinate their children (at least 68%, link below)
    3. Other researchers noted a few cases of autism among the Amish (nine) but stopped before a rate higher than 1 in 5000 could be verified.
    4. The levels of vaccination in the Amish are such that there is no correlation between autism and vaccinations as a matter of fact.
    5. The low level of Autism in the Amish community is inconclusive.
    .
    Current Situation: If a significantly lower level for Autism exists in the Amish community, further studies could find a TRUE contribution factor to Autism.
    The potential money from a Autism/Vaccine links and the blind belief of anti-vaxxer influence prevent the study of the “Amish anomaly” for the consideration of other causes.
    .
    Conclusion: The non-scientific blind belief of anti-vaxxers that autism is caused by vaccines is significantly impeding the actual research for autism related factors.
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/128/1/79
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_anomaly

  • Justthefacts

    The truth about measles vaccine encephalopathy –
    .
    Measles vaccine encephalopathy is a real thing and it affects about 8 in 1 million vaccinated people. The effects can be very bad and it can cause death.
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_disseminated_encephalomyelitis
    .
    What causes this condition is the measles itself, not the vaccine system, so there is nothing that can be done about it. Measles itself causes encephalopathy and the important thing to remember is that 1 in 1000 measles victims get encephalopathy.
    .
    http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html
    .
    If the Measles vaccine was stopped today, 1000 out of every million measles cases would result in encephalopathy. Before the vaccine was available, there were an average of 4000 cases of encephalopathy per year.
    .
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/faqs-dis-vac-risks.htm
    .
    The simple fact is that 992 cases of encephalopathy per million people are prevented by using the measles vaccine. The choice we have is to make 4000 suffer per year without recourse or have 8 suffer per million vaccinations who are entitled to awards for vaccine injury. Those are the only options.
    .
    I know it’s hard to understand the facts of the condition when you have a child that has suffered from the condition but the cause is the measles, not the process of vaccinations. This one of the tough decisions that has to be made and ignoring the facts by blaming vaccinations does nothing but put more people at risk for encephalopathy from the measles.
    .
    Sorry, but those are the facts.

  • Justthefacts

    That paper measures AL levels but found no connection to disease or toxicity.

  • Justthefacts

    From that paper:

    CONCLUSIONS:

    MMR vaccination was associated with a transient increased rate of febrile seizures but the risk difference was small even in high-risk children. The long-term rate of epilepsy was not increased in children who had febrile seizures following vaccination compared with children who had febrile seizures of a different etiology.

  • Justthefacts

    That [paper is unavailable and the author is Vijendra K. Singh.
    Singh’s findings on autism have been criticized by other scientists as flawed, unreproducible, or dubious. Mary Ramsay of the Health Protection Agency wrote that the evidence for the “specific” MMR-type antibody Singh claims to have detected was “not credible.” Paul Offit wrote in Autism’s False Prophets that “…a closer look at Singh’s science revealed two critical flaws: children with autism didn’t have evidence of nerve cell damage, and, according to measles experts, the test that Singh had used to detect measles antibodies didn’t actually detect them.” A 2006 review of literature on vaccines and autism found that Singh’s results “have been called into question due to issues of cross-contamination, as well as the use of unsubstantiated and un-validated biochemical techniques”, citing a report by the World Health Organization

  • Justthefacts

    Walker-Smith got hi license back. Wakefield still has not and is still a criminal who perpetrated a fraud. The finding are still fraud and all published papers have been pulled.

    Here is the pro vaccination quote that got Dr Walker-Smith off:

    “My position as with measles, MMR and Crohn’s disease is that the link with MMR is so far unproven. It is clear that the legal involvement by nearly all the parents will have an effect on the study as they have a vested interest. I myself simply will not appear in court on this issue.”
    He is not a part of the anti=-vaxx team so I would stop referencing him.

  • GP, but scientific fraud ≠criminal fraud.

    The typical dimwit reply: “Oh, Wakefield committed fraud? When was he arrested? Why isn’t he in jail?”

  • Justthefacts

    Good question. You would think that anyone who is responsible for 1000s of deaths per year of people who don’t vaccinate would be in jail. If he was Italian, he would have been in jail. I think he benefitted from perpetrating while collar crime in a manner where he could get away with it in England.

    Journalist Brian Deer called for criminal charges against Wakefield:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/06/autism.vaccines/index.html

    He lucked out of not going to jail as he should have. Hell is empty and the devils are here. I like pointing out the horrible crimes of Andrew Wakefield if you wish to continue with more questions.

  • Cricket

    For those who are undecided about vaccines, beware of paid “Trolls and Shills” on websites such as this. Here is an article describing how trolls/shills are trained and what their purpose is. Please pass this info along to other websites to inform others who are undecided:

    Trolls Used by Big Pharma to Attack Vaccine Objectors

    Have you ever been on an Internet forum, blog, or Facebook Page where all of a sudden, out of nowhere, several people appear to contradict the main topic being discussed, especially if it is regarding a controversial topic like vaccines? Well it is entirely possible, and even likely, that it is not coincidence, and that it is a well-coordinated attack by “trolls”. As Greenwald reveals in his recently published article, there are definitely programs in place in government spy agencies to do just that.

    This tactic of trained trolls can be used by those outside of government also, and Big Pharma seems to be one business sector that employs this tactic as well, especially targeting publishers who report on the dangers of vaccines.

    Of course it should also be pointed out that the distinction between the government and the pharmaceutical industry is a very hazy one. As we have pointed out several times in the past, the vaccine industry cannot survive in a free market, but needs the government to prop them up. In the 1980s there were so many lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies for vaccine damages, that the vaccine industry blackmailed Congress by threatening to get out of the vaccine business unless they passed legislation protecting them from lawsuits. Congress obliged, and legislation was passed preventing the public from suing pharmaceutical companies for damages due to vaccines, and this law was upheld by the Supreme Court in 2011. The pharmaceutical industry now has a free pass to put as many vaccines into the market place as they want to, regardless of efficacy or dangerous side effects, since there is no accountability left in the judicial system.

    Today, the pharmaceutical industry is practically a branch of the government. The government awards grants from your tax dollars to research new vaccines, the FDA approves them, and then government organizations like the CDC and UNICEF purchase the vaccines with your tax dollars. The CDC even holds patents and earns royalties on vaccines, and many of the top scientists work for both the government and the pharmaceutical companies. Julie Gerberding, for example, was the head of the CDC from 2002 to 2009, and then took over as head of the pharmaceutical company Merck’s vaccine division overseeing billions of dollars in sales. The government definitely has a vested interest in protecting the vaccine market.

    So it should surprise no one that there are coordinated efforts to infiltrate and discredit those who publish the truth about vaccines, which may lead to fewer people wanting to purchase or receive them.

    Consider the following comments appearing on a blog post from a pro-Pharma site discussing how to target sites and Facebook Pages who publish the alternative view of vaccines. Advice is given on how to infiltrate and flood discussions about vaccines by pretending to be victims of diseases because they failed to get vaccinated. I am not going to mention the name of the website and give them publicity, but it has already been established that this site is financed by those with clear ties to the pharmaceutical industry. Here are some comments that appeared in a blog post that was trying to convince readers that outbreaks of diseases were due to “anti-vaccinationists”:

    ‘Use emotional warfare on anti-vax blogs. Tell emotional stories full of tears and sobbing and unbearable grief and terror, about people in your own family or people you read about, who were sick with or died of terrible diseases. Don’t hold back details about bodily fluids and suchlike: the more gross the better. This stuff has a way of infiltrating the minds of readers and subtly influencing their decisions, in a manner similar to advertising.’

    ‘Go in there and “agree with them” and then say things that appear thoroughly delusional, overtly nuts, blatantly and obviously wrong even to nincompoops, etc. Occasional spelling and grammar errors are also useful but don’t over-do. The point of this exercise is to create an impression that drives away undecideds who may come in to check out these sites. It helps to do this as a group effort and begin gradually, so the sites appear to be “going downhill slowly.”‘

    ‘But it is useful to have an email address that can’t be traced back, for certain legitimate and ethical uses, just as it is useful to have a mail box at say the UPS store.’

    As you can see from this advice, trying to reason or debate on the merits or lack of merits regarding vaccines does not work, so they have to resort to manipulative and deceptive tactics, much the same as what Greenwald was reporting about above in regards to government spy agencies. Here is a comment showing how they also try to out number those who are not trolls:

    12 is right on target: post that kind of schizophrenic word-salad on the anti-vax sites in large quantities, under various pseudonyms, and clog up the sites with it until it appears that a large fraction of the members are downright wacko. This will seriously turn off undecideds who check out those sites. P2’s comment is an excellent template for this tactic, but you can easily make up your own by inserting random words into sentences and then going on digressive riffs about the random words. Be sure to Capitalize occasional Nouns and Verbs as well.

    Really: listen up folks, the way to fight this crap is NOT by “patiently explaining” to people who are already way past being persuaded that the Earth isn’t flat. You may as well be talking to rocks (healing crystals?:-). The way to fight it is by sabotaging the anti-vaxers with crazy stuff that drives away undecideds. The way to fight it is with emotional narratives that undermine the ones that the anti-vaxers are pushing.

    These trolls are also adept in creating fake personalities with fake email addresses so that they can continue to infiltrate those who publish the other side of the vaccine debate:

    76: The way to do it is to set up a fictitious email address. Speaking from experience working on research on extremist groups:

    Start by setting one up on your existing broadband provider: AT&T, Comcast, and the rest of ‘em give you five or more email addresses of your choice. Create a totally fictitious name and then an address that reflects that name e.g. John Doe and JDoe1234@.

    Next, get an address on a free service provider such as Yahoo or Hotmail or whatever. Since most of these ask for your “other” email address as proof of identity, give them the one on your broadband provider. They will send a confirmation email to that address giving you your starting password.

    Third, after about a week of using your new fictitious address in various places that let you sign up for comments, you can be sure it’s working, so then go in and delete the address you created on your broadband service. Typically they deactivate the address immediately and then take a month to free up that slot for re-use. This step ensures that your Yahoo or Hotmail address becomes un-traceable back to your broadband provider.

    Fourth, wait a month for the original fictitious name to completely purge from your broadband provider.

    Fifth: Now you’re home free to get onto the anti-vax boards and any other objectionable boards you want to go after, and make all manner of noise to make them look ridiculous and drive away the undecideds. Yeee-hawww, round ‘em up!

    Speaking of rounding ‘em up, you now have an untraceable email address …

    That said, the option of simply going forth and making noise on anti-vax boards makes it all worthwhile. Every undecided you scare away from those boards, is one more family that will probably get their kids vaccinated.

  • Lou

    The CDC has known for at least 20 years that “vaccination” is the STRONGEST candidate to look at. They have refused to to run the simplest of HONEST clinical trials. They have COVERED up numerous PROVEN STRONG associations between “vaccination” and autism.

    Instead of showing me all your bogus “science” just explain one simple thing. Why has not the CDC and all your “science” not found the cause of autism? Answer they have found it, it is “Vaccination” for the most part.

    “After reviewing some of the CDC data received by Dr. Thompson, as well as data records acquired through freedom of information submissions, Prof. Hooker discovered that the CDC has known since 2001 that children exposed to thimerosal in utero were 800 percent more likely to regress into autism. This data was intentionally excluded from the CDC paper published in the journal Pediatrics in an effort to disprove a thimerosal-autism association. During the radio broadcast, Prof. Hooker unearthed evidence that the CDC has known for a decade that children receiving the MMR vaccines on schedule were nearly 300 percent more likely to regress into autism compared to children whose parents decided to withhold the vaccine until after the child was older.”
    What if the Vaccine Paradigm itself is Deliberately Flawed? Note Doctor Thompson’s CDC team Showed one strongly probable DIRECT cause of Autism; the MMR “vaccination”.

    https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1678/1835/original.jpg?w=800&h

    Risk factors for Autism

    Unwarranted trust in the “Medical System” Trust YOURSELF VERIFY EVERYTHING.We should KNOW the “Medical System” authorities are
    LYING to us about MANY important topics; autism is ONE of them. I know this can be hard to confront after a lifetime of conditioning. MOST octors are good honest people. You MUST spend some time reconciling these FACTS or you are putting your flesh and blood in mortal risk. It is just that simple. Please PUT IN THE TIME.

    Vaccination

    Vitamin D Deficit

    Mercury especially in “vaccines”

    Aluminum especially in “vaccines”

    Antibiotics often given because of “vaccines”
    Drugs

    Excitotoxins MSG, Aspartame, artificial sweeteners, food dyes et al

    Food Allergies often from “vaccines”

    Junk “Food” eat organic or mostly organic little to no processed or fast food

    Gut Dysbiosis often from of “vaccines”, Wheat et al

    GMO “foods”

    Magnesium Deficit

    Mycoplasma “vaccines” are an mycoplasma acquision risk IMO

    Zinc Deficit

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_autism.htm

  • Lou

    Here are two great videos that deserve widespread circulation.

    Immunity infectious disease and “vaccination” by Doctor Ray Obomsawin PhD
    Note this is a SEMINAL video that explains with graphics in terms very easy to
    apprehend, just what a Deadly FRAUD “vaccination” is. Watch this first to
    get the big picture.

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/KtN0PMJOOjM?feature=player_embedded

    Doctor Andrew Moulden took degrees in three disciplines on his quest to understand autism and the ASDs. He has put the pieces together to prove vaccination is causing harm each and every time you vaccinate.You can learn more from Doctor Moulden at his protocol. There you can access his wonderful Tolerance Lost Series DVD which will give you the tools to help solve your problems with “vaccination”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RZXM-TKvLN8

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_Dr_Moulden.htm

  • Justthefacts

    Dr. Thompson was found to be a fraud:
    .
    http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp
    .
    .Dr. Thompson admits its a fraud and comes out provaxx.
    .
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/now-retracted-autism-study-viral/story?id=25248179
    .
    The Hooker paper with the new data is pulled for fraud.
    .
    http://www.translationalneurodegeneration.com/content/3/1/22
    .
    If I was going to make an anti-vaxx argument, I wouls not pick a fraud like Hooker and a pro-vaxxer like Thompson in my argument. By the way, Thompson still works for the CDC in a provaxx capacity.
    .
    Autism is genetic.
    .
    https://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/news/records/2015/February/Genetic-influences-on-autism-estimated-at-between-74-98.aspx

  • MyLinda King
  • bradf

    Lou you are ridiculous, please stop copying and pasting things off of awful blogs written by authors with ZERO scientific information. You never once have come up with a thought on your own or something from a real study. As for your questions, just because we don’ t know what causes autism doesn’t mean vaccines do. We don’t know what causes thousands of diseases but we don’t just say oh it must be ice cream doing it because we don’t know what does it. The reason we don’t know the cause of it is because it is an extremely complex genetic and multifactorial disease that isn’t exactly easy to figure out. Plus we waste incredible amounts of resources on proving vaccines don’t cause autism for the 1000 time instead of researching real causes because of sites like this and people like who.

  • bradf

    well she isn’t on this site to get scientific information. That would be like looking for Van Gogh paintings in a dumpster. BTW, I am a pro vaccine person like every other scientist or health care professional in the world but I didn’t get my “big pharma” check this month. Any idea when those come out because I’ve gone the last five years without one and seeing as i’ve been thoroughly educated in the field and still believe vaccines are an amazing tool we have, I believe i should be entitled to my payout pretty soon

  • Lou

    The Amish and “Vaccination”

    “I have not seen autism with the Amish. You’ll find all the other stuff, but we don’t find the autism. We’re right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that’s just the way it is.” Doctor Frank Noonan Lancaster County, Pa.

    “The rate of autism in northeastern Ohio, the nation’s largest Amish community, is 1 in 10,000. I should know I’m their neurologist.” Doctor Max Wiznitzer MD 2005, Note the Amish are under intense pressure to “vaccinate” and many are starting

    “The autism rate for U.S. children is 1 in 166, according to the federal government. The autism rate for the Amish around Middlefield, Ohio, is 1 in 15,000.” Doctor Heng Wang 2005

    “Almost every Amish family I know has had somebody from the health department knock on our door and try to convince us to get vaccines for our children. The younger Amish more and more are getting vaccines. It’s a minority of children who vaccinate, but that is changing now.” Julia Inion

    “There have been 3 (yes three) verified cases of autism in the Amish,
    and at least two of those children were vaccinated. No information is
    available for the third. The strong correlation between vaccinations and
    autism is absolutely undeniable, unless you work for the medical establishment, the government, or Big Media.” The Amish Don’t Get Autism? And They Don’t Get Vaccinations

    The Amish before they started to “vaccinate” were almost autism free. This identifiable population of autism free kids was a threat to those pushing the crime of “vaccination” on we the people. HHS has set up three “health clinics” in the North-East Ohio North-West Pennsylvania area of the Amish; supposedly to “help” the Amish with their “health problems”. I have absolutely NO doubt that “vaccinations” are the
    number one “solution” being pushed. IMO HHS will be there until the Amish are as “vaccination” damaged as the rest of the country.

    Clearly the Amish are being more or less coerced into “vaccination” to eliminate this undamaged by “vaccinations” Amish population as a threat to the depopulation means of “vaccination”.

    Olmstead on The Amish and Vaccination

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_autism.htm

  • Lou

    “As for your questions, just because we don’ t know what causes autism doesn’t mean vaccines do.”

    Well you are partly correct “vaccinations” alone may not cause autism but “vaccinations” and LIARS do. Please don’t lie for a “living”.

    “After reviewing some of the CDC data received by Dr. Thompson, as well as data records acquired through
    freedom of information submissions, Prof. Hooker discovered that the CDC has known since 2001 that children exposed to thimerosal in utero were 800 percent more likely to regress into autism. This data was intentionally excluded from the CDC paper published in the journal Pediatrics in an effort to disprove a thimerosal-autism association. During the radio broadcast, Prof. Hooker unearthed evidence that the CDC has known for a decade that children receiving the MMR vaccines on schedule were nearly 300 percent more likely to regress into autism compared to children whose parents decided to withhold the vaccine until after the child was older.” What if the Vaccine Paradigm itself is Deliberately Flawed? Note Doctor Thompson’s CDC team Showed one strongly probable DIRECT cause of Autism; the MMR “vaccination”.

    https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1678/1835/original.jpg?w=800&h

  • Lou

    “Autism is genetic”.

    Again you show your total ignorance of medical basics. NO epidemic can be genetic for OBVIOUS reasons. But I guess this information is not on your fact sheet.

  • Lou

    Your point is?

  • Lou

    “Autism is primarily a disorder of the brain, but research suggests that as many as nine out of 10 individuals with the condition also suffer from gastrointestinal problems such as inflammatory bowel disease and ‘leaky gut’…Scientists have long wondered whether the composition of bacteria in the intestines, known as the gut microbiome, might be abnormal in people with autism and drive some of these symptoms. Now a spate of new studies supports this notion and suggests that restoring proper microbial balance could alleviate some of the disorder’s behavioral symptoms.” Culprits of Autism Identified: Toxins, Gut Bacteria, Nutritional Deficiencies, and Vaccines Made with Human Fetal Cell Lines and other toxins

    “Rarely does a whistleblower emerge from the federal health agencies. Government and corporate entities that are notoriously hierarchical, such as the CDC, FDA, and Health and Human Services, ruthlessly prevent dissention from their ranks. In the Obama era, when whistleblowers are persecuted more than ever before, it is an act of great courage for a person to come forth and reveal government malfeasance, corruption, and criminal behavior. Therefore, it was a shocking surprise last year when a senior epidemiologist at the CDC, Dr. William
    Thompson, acted upon his moral conscience and released thousands of pages of CDC documents with research data to Congress that unveil the agencies long
    history of fraudulent studies and medical cover-ups that hid the serious failures and health risks of vaccines.” What if the Vaccine Paradigm itself is Deliberately Flawed?

    https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1678/1835/original.jpg?w=800&h

  • Lou

    “Thompson still works for the CDC in a provaxx capacity.”

    “Rarely does a whistleblower emerge from the federal health agencies.Government and corporate entities that are notoriously hierarchical, such as the CDC, FDA, and Health and Human Services, ruthlessly prevent
    dissention from their ranks. In the Obama era, when whistleblowers are persecuted more than ever before, it is an act of great courage for a person to come forth and reveal government malfeasance, corruption, and
    criminal behavior. Therefore, it was a shocking surprise last year whena senior epidemiologist at the CDC, Dr. William Thompson, acted upon his moral conscience and released thousands of pages of CDC documents with research data to Congress that unveil the agencies long history of fraudulent studies and medical cover-ups that hid the serious failures and health risks of vaccines.” What if the Vaccine Paradigm itself is Deliberately Flawed?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/v

    https://a.disquscdn.com/upload

  • Justthefacts

    You didn’t read the paper in the link, did ya?

    In 2007 the vaccination levels in the Amish community was already above 68%. That was when Olmsted did his study so 68% of the children were vaccinated when he found the low autism rate. Olmstead did not collect the actual data on Amish vaccinations; he just assumed that they didn’t get vaccinated. To a sane person without an agenda, this means the problem is NOT vaccinations.

    People like you are the actual reason that the search for the autism cause is crippled. You refuse to believe it could be anything else other than vaccines. YOU are damaging the cause by refusing to consider that it could be something else.

  • Justthefacts

    Lou, You are just a liar now. The CDC sees no connection between autism and vaccines.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Autism/Index.html

    You continue the site Dr Thompson who still works for the CDC and is Provaxx. Thompson admits its a fraud and comes out provaxx here:.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/now-retracted-autism-study-viral/story?id=25248179

    The paper with the new data is pulled.

    http://www.translationalneurodegeneration.com/content/3/1/22

    The Dr. Thompson affair was all a fake:
    http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp

    You can try to ignore this but I’ll just re-post it and show you to be irrational

  • Justthefacts

    Undisputable Logic:

    .

    1. There have been 5263 cases filed and heard by the vaccine court. See link below.

    2. Each case has a team of lawyers and resources dedicated to wining the case. Many of the same law firms that won the breast implant cases where involved.

    3. The average award from the vaccine court is 1.6 million dollars. The motivation for winning these cases was very high.

    4. The money involved has lead to the use of expert scientific witnesses to support these cases with research and testing financed by law firms.

    5. This effort to collect data and win these cases lasted for 15 years.

    6. In all of that time, not one case of 5263 cases was won. Autism was never attributed to vaccines.

    7. Question – Do you think you can do a better job of finding evidence that autism is caused by vaccines than all of the resources applied to these cases? – No.

    8. Do you currently have evidence or will you currently find evidence that autism is caused by vaccines? No.

    9. If you believe that autism is caused by vaccines and have no current evidence to support it, the belief is solely based on faith.

    10. Autism/vaccine connection belief is faith based, like religion.

    There is no other side. There is no evidence that vaccines cause autism. As of today, the question is settled. It is perfectly reasonable to dismiss this claim until and unless new data in found.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court

  • Justthefacts

    Dr. Mercola runs a nutrition site selling quack cures and writes garbage like this all of time. We have refused your useless posts throughout this string and you ignore the facts and re-post at the top. You must be a shill for mercola, or naturalnews just because you just post cut and paste crap from these site and refuse to respond to facts.

  • Justthefacts

    About seven months ago, I encountered a profoundly intellectually dishonest set of graphs done by Obomsawin that were designed to demonstrate that “vaccines didn’t save us.” Of course, as I pointed out in my own takedown of this misinformation, Obomsawin cherry picked graphs, used an old ant-vaccine standard of confusing mortality with incidence, and in general used arguments about as intellectually lazy or dishonest (or both) as can be.

    Here is agraph that show that autism is related to organic foods:

    http://io9.com/on-correlation-causation-and-the-real-cause-of-auti-1494972271

    As for Andrew Moulden, he was a Canadian quack who pushed an extreme form of anti-vaccine woo, claiming that vaccines are the causes of most illnesses and diseases, including autism.

    In addition to his anti-vaccine ideology (which is frequently too extreme even for other anti-vaxers) Andrew Moulden was a germ theory denialist, a conspiracy crank, a 9/11 truther, a failed politician, and a snake oil salesman offering an Internet-based magical procedure that will uncover the true causes of everything from shaken baby syndrome and SIDS to dementia and Alzheimer’s disease.

    Moulden claimed several academic degrees, including a medical degree, but he was not licensed to practice medicine anywhere. In fact, there were apparently restraining orders to keep him out of major medical conferences – according to him, anyway.

  • Justthefacts

    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy
    .
    The necessary explanation used by anti-vaxxers to explain why the “truth” is not generally known is that there is a conspiracy between Big Pharma, the media, and the government to suppress the truth. We will refer to them collectively as “BP”. Let’s logically examine this case with the assumption that this situation is true.
    .
    1. BP has the ability to suppress evidence supporting a known problem with vaccines or a vaccine.

    2. This does not apply to current prosecution or active governmental investigations because, by definition, the information is not suppressed. If the evidence was truly damaging, it would have been fully suppressed. All open issues must only contain non threatening information.

    3. By definition, the conspiracy must be successful at this time, or the information would be available and the conspiracy would be exposed and therefore no longer exist.

    4. The BP Conspiracy must be powerful and durable enough to defeat the forces against it which are substantial in their own right. BP must defeat or corrupt:

    .

    -Both the domestic and international press

    -International governments such and India who have no love for BP

    -Ex-employees and scientists who have the knowledge and where with all to develop or obtain such evidence.

    -Independent media outlets with easy access to the internet for information dissemination.

    .

    5. Given that this BP Conspiracy is this successful, what are the odds that Mike Adams down in Cedar Creek, Texas will find some real evidence to post on his NaturalNews.com? or mercola.com will post actual evidence?

    6. What are the odds that YOU will find any evidence clicking your way through the Internet? ZERO.

    7. This anti-vaxxer “truth”, whatever it is, has no evidence to support it because of BP so it is faith based. It is a religion.

    8. MSM, AlterNet, and all non-believers dismiss the “truth” and make the reasonable claim that “there is no other side” since it is entirely faith based.

    .

    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy is just an offshoot of the general Conspiracy Theory Fallacy that shows that an argument that requires the existence of a grand conspiracy must have no real supporting evidence and be based on irrational faith by its very nature. If you consider the possibility of a BP Conspiracy hiding a “truth” and compare it to the absence of a conspiracy where the “truth” is false, the resulting apparent situation and functioning reality is identical in both cases. There can be only be blind faith in the “truth”

    So Anti-vaxxers, you can make the claims you wish and rant about the issues but don’t claim, or even think, that you have any evidence to support it. You are a member of a new age religion who is fighting a grand conspiracy or jousting at windmills. There is no way for you to know the difference.

  • Justthefacts

    So you AGREE that Thompson works for the CDC and is Provaxx. If so, why do you keep siting him as a source? He is not a source for you and does not want to be one. He disagrees with you.

    So its a conspiracy?

    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy

    .

    The necessary explanation used by anti-vaxxers to explain why the “truth” is not generally known is that there is a conspiracy between Big Pharma, the media, and the government to suppress the truth. We will refer to them collectively as “BP”. Let’s logically examine this case with the assumption that this situation is true.

    .

    1. BP has the ability to suppress evidence supporting a known problem with vaccines or a vaccine.

    2. This does not apply to current prosecution or active governmental investigations because, by definition, the information is not suppressed. If the evidence was truly damaging, it would have been fully suppressed. All open issues must only contain non threatening information.

    3. By definition, the conspiracy must be successful at this time, or the information would be available and the conspiracy would be exposed and therefore no longer exist.

    4. The BP Conspiracy must be powerful and durable enough to defeat the forces against it which are substantial in their own right. BP must defeat or corrupt:

    .

    -Both the domestic and international press

    -International governments such and India who have no love for BP

    -Ex-employees and scientists who have the knowledge and where with all to develop or obtain such evidence.

    -Independent media outlets with easy access to the internet for information dissemination.

    .

    5. Given that this BP Conspiracy is this successful, what are the odds that Mike Adams down in Cedar Creek, Texas will find some real evidence to post on his NaturalNews.com? or mercola.com will post actual evidence?

    6. What are the odds that YOU will find any evidence clicking your way through the Internet? ZERO.

    7. This anti-vaxxer “truth”, whatever it is, has no evidence to support it because of BP so it is faith based. It is a religion.

    8. MSM, AlterNet, and all non-believers dismiss the “truth” and make the reasonable claim that “there is no other side” since it is entirely faith based.
    .
    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy is just an offshoot of the general Conspiracy Theory Fallacy that shows that an argument that requires the existence of a grand conspiracy must have no real supporting evidence and be based on irrational faith by its very nature. If you consider the possibility of a BP Conspiracy hiding a “truth” and compare it to the absence of a conspiracy where the “truth” is false, the resulting apparent situation and functioning reality is identical in both cases. There can be only be blind faith in the “truth”

    So Anti-vaxxers, you can make the claims you wish and rant about the issues but don’t claim, or even think, that you have any evidence to support it. You are a member of a new age religion who is fighting a grand conspiracy or jousting at windmills. There is no way for you to know the difference.

  • Justthefacts

    Do you read the scientific paper I posted? Of course you didn’t. It has a genetic aspect. If you bothered to read instead of screed, maybe you would learn something.

  • Lou

    “There is no other side. There is no evidence that vaccines cause
    autism. As of today, the question is settled. It is perfectly reasonable
    to dismiss this claim until and unless new data in found.”

    Sir you sound like a pompous FOOL. A pompous fool who would not recognize LOGIC if he were swimming in in.

    Here is one pediatrician with 1000 children to care for and NO AUTISM on his watch. Lets listen to him

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ddCNIhN3TT4

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_autism_intro.htm

  • Lou

    Doctor Paul Thomas MD Pediatrician on How to prevent autism in our Children & How this information is hidden by the CDC and others

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RqB4T4KbPpw

    Doctor Paul Thomas a pediatrician with 1,000 children in his practice and a method of “vaccination” which has produced NO AUSTISM in his practice, shows you how COMMON it is to get autism after the deadly MMR. Please watch this video several times, let it sink in and ACT on your conclusions. SOMEONE is lying, either the CDC of Doctor Thomas. My money is on this brave pediatrician. The highly political CDC has lied continuously to cover up the deadly MMR and other autism producing “vaccinations” such as the Hep B.

    “Dr. Thomas also referenced a Norway study tracking folate intake and autism
    in 85,000 pregnancies over 6 years. Norway had a 1 in 1,000 rate of autism, compared with the U.S. rate of 1 in 100 at that time. (The autism rate in the U.S. is now a staggering 1 in 50). So, what’s the difference between the two countries? For one, Norway does not administer the Hepatitis B vaccine to newborns as the U.S. does. Paul Thomas M.D. is currently seeing more than 1,000 kids in his practice who are at least 3 years old, and he has seen no new cases of autism; this as compared with his U.S. peers seeing 1 out of 50 on the [Autism] spectrum.” Doctor Paul Thomas on Autism and the Deadly MMR and Hep B vaccinations

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_autism.htm

  • Justthefacts

    You Still post references to Dr. Thompson who still works for the CDC and is pro-vaxx. You know that the supposed withheld facts where pulled in the form of the Hooker paper due to fraud.

    I have posted these facts and you just pathetically refuse to accept that Dr. Thompson DOES NOT AGREE WITH YOU and the MISSING DATA IS A PROVEN FRAUD.

    You need to accept the actual facts.

  • Cricket

    You’re delusional to believe there’s no corruption going on within these huge profiteering industries. Watch this video to understand how it’s done:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZHyLODgUvs#t=20

    Dr. Beatrice A. Golomb is Associate Professor of Medicine and of Family and Preventive Medicine at UCSD and a practicing internist. She holds a BSc in physics from the University of Southern California (summa cum laude), a PhD in biology and an MD degree (from the University of California, San Diego). She trained as a postdoctoral fellow at the Salk Institute (Computational Neurobiology Laboratory) and at RAND/UCLA (as a Robert Wood Johnson Clinical Scholar) and has served as a Health Consultant at RAND. She is a foreign fellow of the Royal Society of Medicine. As a Robert Wood Johnson Generalist Physician Faculty Scholar (2003-2007), she piloted a patient-targeted adverse-event surveillance approach, and has published (among other findings) on physician responses to patient reports of drug adverse effects. Golomb authored several RAND reports examining the relation of exposures to illness in Gulf War illness: One of these studies targeted vaccinations (unreleased).

    Her research interests include medical reasoning; conflict of interest, placebos, treatment risk-benefit balance and drug adverse effects, cholesterol and statin drugs, diet influences on health, mood and behavior, illness in Gulf War veterans; and the impact of oxidative stress and mitochondrial function in autism, health, aging, and disease. Golomb’s research has been featured extensively in media ranging from NY Times and Wall Street Journal, to Time magazine, The Economist, and Business Week — to Jon Stewart’s The Daily Show.

  • bradf

    you’ve quoted probably a million words in total to this site but not a single one has come from a journal. Just blogs and websites written by people who are stay at home moms or authors or airplane pilots for all you know. Nothing wrong with any of those professions but non of them should be giving medical or scientific advice.

  • Justthefacts

    And Dr. Beatrice A. Golomb will be the first to tell you that there is no evidence against vaccines. Her entire case is concern over business practices and a call for more testing. The fact is that to believe something in the adsence of evidence os to act solely on faith. Your anti-vaxx beliefs are religion, not science.

    Show me where Dr. Beatrice A. Golomb
    disagrees with that.

  • Justthefacts

    Doctor Paul Thomas MD peddles homeopathy and acupuncture. Here is his website:

    http://naturaintegrativehealth.com/dr-paul-thomas/

    Read up on his “services” and then decide if you should listen to him or the rest of modern medicine.

  • Cricket

    You’re tripping on your words and talking in circles to avoid the subject. Your pro-vax religion is based on skewed science. Just watch any of Dr. Golomb’s seminars to realize this. Like I said you’re delusional.

  • Justthefacts

    I am talking directly on point and made a specific claim that Dr. Beatrice A. Golomb has no direct evidence. Your anti-vaxx religion is based on NO science. You said nothing. Let me know when you have any evidence at all or something to say.

  • Cricket

    To be talking directly on point to my comment above, we are talking about the “corruption” that takes place within these companies to skew the science studies that doctors rely on when referencing medical journals, you follow? Hence, your pro-vax religion is based on corrupted science. Let me know if you have any evidence to prove me wrong, otherwise you’re wasting your time going in circles with me.

  • Justthefacts

    I know it’s fashionable to call everyone else religious when you are called out for irrational beliefs but that is just more evidence for you being irrational. The science behind the safety, success, and effectiveness of vaccination programs dates back over a hundred years with orders of magnitudes of more studies and testing that even the screed posts on charlatan websites. The whole reason you are attacking co-called corruption is because the positive data is overwhelming and attempting to discredit it is your only viable approach. Since you are attacking the “science” of vaccinations, you can stop saying that I have a “religious” view as it contradicts your basic argument.
    “I know you are but what am I” is a kindergarten argument.
    As far as your claim of “corrupted” science, present one example link of a “skewed” study and we’ll examine the case. This is called rational examination. If you decide to return to your religions ways and just rant, I will not be surprised.

  • Cricket

    Do you bother to proofread your posts? If you did, you’d realize you’re losing your composure with such juvenile comments. You should think before you rant, it’s unbecoming for someone trying to evoke scientific intelligence, which is highly pretentious on your part. Unless you’re a juvenile, then I apologize.

    Because you don’t proofread your posts, you’re much too oblivious to even realize you’re calling yourself out on the very tactics you use on anti-vaxers. For example:

    “I know it’s fashionable to call everyone else religious…”. I call it your “pro-vax religion”, a phrase in which I’ve never used until replying to you, because that’s a phrase you can relate to since you evidently use it in every one of your posts. That makes you a fashionable, irrational, hypocrite.

    “co-called” corruption, my “religions ways”? You’re tripping on your words again while ineffectively twisting mine- you should work on that.

    It’s a fact that there’s corruption in medical reporting. Proof of skewed studies is found all over the internet, such as the one example I posted above, remember? We can go in circles since that is your forte. I don’t deny any original scientific data. I highly commend scientists for their work. When they come forward with the truth of fraudulence taking place, risking their careers, I hold the utmost respect for them. What I do deny as scientific fact is the overwhelming amount of falsified data the ends up in medical journals for which doctors heavily rely on. Educate yourself on these facts and come to grips with your disillusionment.

  • Justthefacts

    You are not juvenile; you are just plain stupid. You used the phrase pro-vaxx religion and then ridiculed it. I have posted logic and links, links, LINKS, and you post nothing. You just did another long rant and provided not one bit of evidence, Nada, zero, zip. You just wrote a sermon, that’s all. If you actually had “proof”, you would post it. Its just that simple. I don’t need to rant and insult you; you do it to yourself.
    If you are not an anti-vaxx religious fanatic, you will post links to your “proof”. If you are, you won’t.
    The clock is ticking……….

  • Cricket

    Now I’m convinced you are a vaccine damaged individual. You may be entitled to compensation, but good luck with that. Or, you truly are an adolescent pretending to be an adult. Nevertheless, my sermon could actually help you learn something about yourself, you shouldn’t disregard it. Since your cognitive skills have been impaired, I’ll ask you nicely to try and follow along… I’m using the “pro-vax religion” phrase in the same way that you are using the “anti-vax religion” phrase in order for you to relate. If you can’t stand the taste of your own medicine then maybe you shouldn’t use it. You have absolutely no understanding of the word “logic” because logic requires reasoning and your pro-vax religion (sorry, just trying to relate) requires you to submit to pro-vax propaganda. In case you’re unaware, most anti-vaxers were once pro-vaxers until they had the common sense, aka “logical thought”, to research outside of the “propaganda box”. Sadly, you’re still inside that box with your zombie logic.

    “I have posted logic and links, links, LINKS, and you post nothing.”

    Tsk, tsk my dear fanatical pro-vaxxer. In regards to your links, links, LINKS, show me ONE that you have sourced within our nine conversing posts. Just one… tick tock.

    Being aware of your impaired skills, it stands to reason why I must incessantly repeat myself to you when you ask for proof, so for that, I apologize for telling you that your forte is to go in circles… I didn’t know. To considerately remind you, I have posted a link that proves corruption within the medical field of studies in the very first reply to you above. If you can’t find it, I will gladly post it again. You do remember that we are talking about corruption within medical studies, right? Ok, I just feel the need to reiterate that for you because I know it isn’t easy for you to follow along.

    P.S. You do realize I’m just playing along with you and that I’m well aware of your trolling, right? C’mon now, your pushing vaccines on an anti-vaccine website, talking in the same circles as all shills do, and now you’re going to pretend to be offended that I called you out on it. Just to let you know in advance, I’m yawning already at your reply and calling it a night.

    Peace :o)

  • Justthefacts

    You are claiming beliefs without evidence. That is why your beliefs are faith based. The benefits of vaccines are scientifically established which is why I am evidence based. I’ll put a list of links concerning how vaccines do not casue autism at the bottom just for you ( as if you didn’t know they exist.

    I don’t go in circles, you do. I stay on point. Where is you evidence for you faith based belief.

    I love it when the anti-vaxxers call me a shill. For you to
    think I’m so good at destroying the anti-vaxx argument that I must be a professional really says more about you than it does about me. Really, what makes more sense:
    .
    Your evidence and beliefs are so good that only
    a professional can face you

    or

    Your evidence is so weak that you can be beat by
    a regular guy and Google.

    Really? Occam’s Razor?

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp078168
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17168158
    http://www.jem-journal.com/article/S0736-4679(07)00054-6/abstract
    http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/filing.html
    http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t990928b.html
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0802904
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87974932
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1651-2227.2008.00883.x/abstract;jsessionid=BC6C1FADC32E5A66513C8FE0C89232D4.f03t04
    http://www.jci.org/articles/view/35821
    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/13/science/la-sci-autism13-2010mar13

  • Cricket

    Wishful thinking on your part that you perceive yourself to be a professional, that’s too funny. As you already know, shills are nothing more than a stooge for big pharma. Carry on troll.

  • Justthefacts

    Reading comprehension seems to always be a problem with anti-vaxxers like you so this is no surprise. I proposed the logical truth is I am just a guy with Google but I know you prefer to think your arguments are so good they can only be defeated by a shill. Since you actually know nothing about me, you thinking that I am a skill states volumes about you.

  • Paul Garbovski

    Wow, quite a debate here. I wonder what would Justthefacts troll say about why the government would not do a double blind study on vaccines or at least compare vaccinated vs unvaccinated children? The second is very easy to do since there are plenty of unvaccinated children out there.

  • Lou

    Here are the facts

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q62DcaNs_0M

    https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1678/1835/original.jpg?w=800&h

    “After reviewing some of the CDC data received by Dr. Thompson, as well as data records acquired through
    freedom of information submissions, Prof. Hooker discovered that the CDC has known since 2001 that children exposed to thimerosal in utero were 800
    percent more likely to regress into autism. This data was
    intentionally excluded from the CDC paper published in the journal Pediatrics in an effort to disprove a thimerosal-autism association. During the radio broadcast, Prof. Hooker unearthed evidence that the CDC has known for a decade that children receiving the MMR vaccines on schedule were nearly 300 percent more likely to regress into autism compared to children whose parents decided to withhold the vaccine until after the child was older.” What if the Vaccine Paradigm itself is Deliberately Flawed?

    “Rarely does a whistleblower emerge from the federal
    health agencies. Government and corporate entities that are notoriously hierarchical, such as the CDC, FDA, and Health and Human Services, ruthlessly prevent issention from their ranks. In the Obama era, when whistleblowers are persecuted more than ever before, it is an act of great courage for a person to come forth and reveal government malfeasance, corruption, and criminal behavior. Therefore, it was a shocking surprise last year when a senior epidemiologist at the CDC, Dr. William Thompson, acted upon his moral conscience and released thousands of pages of CDC documents with research data to Congress that unveil the agencies long
    history of fraudulent studies and medical cover-ups that hid the serious failures and health risks of vaccines.” What if the Vaccine Paradigm itself is Deliberately lawed?

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_autism.htm

  • Lou

    “but non of them should be giving medical or scientific advice”.

    What “journal” do YOUR words of wisdom come from?

    Doctor Paul Thomas MD Pediatrician has achieved something quite remarkable out of the 1000 children he has administered “vaccines” to NONE is autistic.

    This means nothing to you because you are a troll who works for BIG Vaccine INC.

  • Justthefacts

    You really should not get your information from screed websites because they lie to you and will make you look bad. This was debunked long ago. Hooker was found to be a fraud and his paper was pulled. Thompson is pro-vaxx and still works for the CDC. All the wishful thinking and false stories on Natural News does not change that:

    Thompson was found to be a fraud:
    http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp
    .
    Thompson admits its a fraud and comes out provaxx.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/now-retracted-autism-study-viral/story?id=25248179
    .
    The paper with the new data is pulled.
    http://www.translationalneurodegeneration.com/content/3/1/22
    .

  • Cricket

    Yup, you’re a “skill” who can’t form sentences properly or spell words correctly, but pretend to be knowledgeable because you’re a google guy, lol! I only reply to you because I find your posts to be comically entertaining. The more you post the more your ineptitude shines through. Carry on, troll.

  • Justthefacts

    Trolls don’t post on topic:

    he Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy
    .
    The necessary explanation used by anti-vaxxers to explain why the “truth” is not generally known is that there is a conspiracy between Big Pharma, the media, and the government to suppress the truth. We will refer to them collectively as “BP”. Let’s logically examine this case with the assumption that this situation is true.
    .
    1. BP has the ability to suppress evidence supporting a known problem with vaccines or a vaccine.
    2. This does not apply to current prosecution or active governmental investigations because, by definition, the information is not suppressed. If the evidence was truly damaging, it would have been fully suppressed. All open issues must only contain non threatening information.
    3. By definition, the conspiracy must be successful at this time, or the information would be available and the conspiracy would be exposed and therefore no longer exist.
    4. The BP Conspiracy must be powerful and durable enough to defeat the forces against it which are substantial in their own right. BP must defeat or corrupt:
    .
    -Both the domestic and international press
    -International governments such and India who have no love for BP
    -Ex-employees and scientists who have the knowledge and where with all to develop or obtain such evidence.
    -Independent media outlets with easy access to the internet for information dissemination.
    .
    5. Given that this BP Conspiracy is this successful, what are the odds that Mike Adams down in Cedar Creek, Texas will find some real evidence to post on his NaturalNews.com? or mercola.com will post actual evidence?
    6. What are the odds that YOU will find any evidence clicking your way through the Internet? ZERO.
    7. This anti-vaxxer “truth”, whatever it is, has no evidence to support it because of BP so it is faith based. It is a religion.
    8. MSM, AlterNet, and all non-believers dismiss the “truth” and make the reasonable claim that “there is no other side” since it is entirely faith based.
    .
    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy is just an offshoot of the general Conspiracy Theory Fallacy that shows that an argument that requires the existence of a grand conspiracy must have no real supporting evidence and be based on irrational faith by its very nature. If you consider the possibility of a BP Conspiracy hiding a “truth” and compare it to the absence of a conspiracy where the “truth” is false, the resulting apparent situation and functioning reality is identical in both cases. There can be only be blind faith in the “truth”
    So Anti-vaxxers, you can make the claims you wish and rant about the issues but don’t claim, or even think, that you have any evidence to support it. You are a member of a new age religion who is fighting a grand conspiracy or jousting at windmills. There is no way for you to know the difference.

  • Cricket

    You’re repeating yourself now, google guy, because you have nothing more to say. Btw, what is a “he Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy”?

  • Justthefacts

    I guess everything you say is correct because I made a typo. Good argument. Let’s make this even more clear

    The Conspiracy Theorist (Truther) Fallacy
    .
    The fallacy was identified by Robert Anton Wilson, the author of the Illuminatus, and given as a response whenever anyone asked him publically if any of his conspiracy theories where true:
    .
    “If you actually believe that a grand, powerful conspiracy exists and you fight against it, you are a loser of such epic proportion that it is beyond description. If you effectively fight a grand conspiracy, they will kill or destroy you. That’s why they get away with being a “grand conspiracy”. The only rational course of action is to find the personnel department and locate an employment application. It takes a lot of effort and money to maintain a grand conspiracy you should get a piece of that pie. As for me, if I knew of a grand conspiracy I would already be on the payroll so the answer is no, there are no grand conspiracies.”
    .
    So, are you a loser of such epic proportion that it is beyond description?

  • Cricket

    Your conspiracy, theory, and fallacy sermons are worn out. If we’re going to continue this banter let’s stay on the topic of vaccine corruption and leave your idols out of this, shall we?

    It is heedless on your part (hypothetically speaking if you aren’t a shill, of course) to remain unobservant in researching the corruption within the vaccine industry for yourself. Instead, you solely rely on information coming from sources whose very information has been tainted. It’s like a cult with you people. Don’t ask questions, do as you’re told and drink the kool-aid. And you call yourself logical, silly google guy.

    Again, if you’re not a shill, the information you’re posting on vaccines, although on the surface comes across as being scientifically sound, shouldn’t be accepted as fact due to the overwhelming proof of corruption taking place within the studies… follow? Therefore, the need to research outside of that proverbial box for yourself is highly pivotal. When scientists and doctors come forward with proof of corruption don’t be so quick to disregard them. Doing so is simply illogical.

    I’ll venture to post a few links, though knowing you won’t read them because of the source, the website, the scientist, the doctor, the study, the article, or the… *fill in the blank* (which, iyo of course, have all been debunked). I’d be curious to know from which sources and from whom you’d actually find credible regarding this corruption. In all sincerity, I can relate to the instinct for denial when being blindsided with such a rude awakening. I was once on the other side of the fence where you are.

    The arena of vaccination, which has been adversely affecting so many children, is now a centerpoint for documenting how Big Pharma has taken over so much of science, resulting in outright fraud that’s used to promote their products. Scientists Lucija Tomljenovic, Christopher A. Shaw, Judy Wilyman, Eva Vanamee, and Toni Bark use the example of Merck’s Gardasil, a human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccine, to demonstrate the point that HPV vaccine activism is not based on science, but instead on misrepresentations of science.
    http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/08/24/scientists-point-out-corruption-in-vaccines-promotion-11498/

    Conflicts of interest (COIs) cloud vaccine safety research. Sponsors of research have competing interests that may impede the objective study of vaccine side effects. Vaccine manufacturers, health officials, and medical journals may have financial and bureaucratic reasons for not wanting to acknowledge the risks of vaccines.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22375842

    Instead of reacting appropriately by re-examining existing vaccination policies when safety concerns over specific vaccines were identified by their own investigations, the JCVI either a) took no action, b) skewed or selectively removed unfavourable safety data from public reports and c) made intensive efforts to reassure both the public and the authorities in the safety of respective vaccines
    http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/BSEM-2011.pdf

    Conflict of Interest:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZHyLODgUvs (thought I’d throw this one in again since I believe you never watched it).

    SCIENCE
    One of the first arguments people make when they are introduced to the idea that vaccines could be causing harm and/or ASD is that isn’t so, thus claiming as the CDC does, that the science shows there is no link. Really; well when all of the science they are showing you is only that cherry picked by the sources which to much to lose if the vaccine truth be known, then quite obviously you can realize that they are not going to consider any available science that doesn’t support their safe and effective agenda. And of course, that is exactly what they have done. In fact ta the federal vaccine court, the studies they accept carrying the most decision weight, have been only those funded by the CDC, on one single vaccine MMR, and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. No studies on multiple repeat vaccines, none on the safety of aluminum adjuvants, and of course no mention is ever made of obviously existing and potential vaccine contamination, known and unknown.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-unbiased-vaccine-science-and-data.html

    Doctors and Scientists with Concerns About Vaccines
    http://www.greatergoodmovie.org/news-views/doctors-and-scientists-with-concerns-about-vaccines/

  • Sue

    Wow thanks Lou I watched the video it was great

  • Sue

    It always amazes me how if anyone shares info or has doctors they share are telling people the dangerous of vaccines you pros always say it is a load of bull… You who believe BIG Pharma.. wow another silly person who talks rubbish…..

  • Sue

    But the web site you go to tell the truth… Really

  • Justthefacts

    The links are to ABC news, the medical journal where the report was published in the first place, and Snopes which has its own links.
    Yes, these sources have a high degree of integrity. There are plenty more links to the debunked story. It is a matter of public record.
    NaturaNews.com promotes the use of homeopath to treat Ebola. I think that’s all that needs to be said.

  • Justthefacts

    I do more that read your links. I also go to the footnotes and the source information becaue the truth is usually there. The “ letter” in your first link is from Lucija Tomljenovic and Christopher A Shaw It has been debuked here:
    .
    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/10/30/ovarian-failure-caused-by-gardasil-not-so-fast/
    .
    here: http://sciblogs.co.nz/diplomaticimm…scientific-garbage-from-tomljenovic-and-shaw/
    .
    and here: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2…nationists-to-attack-gardasil/#comment-194637
    .
    Your second link is by Gayle Delong. She has autistic children so she is not exactly unbiased. Gayle DeLong, actually promotes her own study. Not a good sign. Not a good sign at all about the scientific credibility of the author. Word to Gayle: If you want to keep even a semblance of scientific credibility, showing up on AoA to promote your latest study is not a particularly good way to go about it. Of course, not surprisingly also, DeLong is not a scientist; she is, rather, a faculty member in the Department of Economics and Finance in the Zicklin School of Business, Baruch College/City University of New York. She is not a reliable or scientific source.
    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/06/08/more-bad-science-in-the-service-of-the-discredited-idea/
    .
    Your third link is to Lucija Tomljenovic again so enough said.
    .
    Your fourth linke discusses conflict of interests and I see do reason to dispute that. It is a problem in every industry.
    .
    With your fifth link, you propose that the CDC cherry picks data and the link is to a page full of self referential links to anti-vaxx cites. If you want to propose one of those links supports your argument. Point it out and we’ll trace it back to actual research…. Or not.
    .
    Your lasy link is to a movie page and the primary claim is a list of 150 people who have “Concerns About Vaccines”. I have concerns about vaccines. That’s why I research them. What we need is science and evidence.

  • Sue

    You know Justthefacts.. people who are against freedom of choice as you most likely are..always suggest the information they supply and being the truth.. and do everything possible to cry wolf about other peoples finding.

    I will go back to the fact.. there is 1 measles diagnosed to 7000 cases of autism.. well whatcha reckon Justthefacts…

    Our children are getting sicker.. there are more disabilities.. I remember when my son was diagnosed.. know one new around me/from the town I was in had even heard of autism.. and you are saying it is OK for such vast numbers of this epidemic today.. come on Justthefacts….
    If you care just a little STOP justifying what is happening… before it is to late…..Let people have the freedom to choose what goes in their and their children bodies.. freedom of choice..

    Kids Given Vaccines Have 22 Times the Rate of Ear Infections

    32 times the rate of sinusitis, 4x allergies, 2x asthma, 4x hayfever, 3x ADHD and 19 times higher odds of Autism based on this 7,850 person survey. Yet 98% of parents give it to their children -…

  • Justthefacts

    I don’t have any problem with free speech but I do have a problem with misinformation. Your comparison of measles cases and autism cases is not a relevant “fact” since there is no connection between vaccines and autism.
    I’m sorry for your problems but anecdotal information is not science and I understand they your opinion is far from unbiased. As for your statistics, they don’t sound right so I would appreciate a source link.

  • Sue

    You know what Justthefacts.. firstly I added a comparison of how insignificant measles diagnosed compared to autism diagnoses is…. if you could possible read it properly… secondly with all the people on here I have posted sites .. and all you will do is say not true.. go back to my other posts…do your own homework.. anyone with half a brain would know that having children sicker now with everyday living is not
    they was it is suppose to be in 2015.. so argue all you want.. The Truth is out there

    We all know what will happens when we stub our toe and break the skin .. it will bleed… I do not need to ask a doctor .. and we do not need BIG Pharma to tell us that.. just as parents know when something has happened to their children…..Mother Nature and Mothers instinct is a strong strong thing..

    Natural immunity is the only TRUE immunity everything else is an artificial attempt to cheat Mother Nature.. Mother Nature is Never Cheated……Dr Ray Obomsawn

    They don’t even test what 8 vaccines given at once will do to our pressures little babies… AND Hep B
    vaccine on the first day of life.. what is that about. There is know consideration given to the health of a baby or child when they are shot up with so many vaccines with such terrible cocktails of chemicals…It takes generation to see what will happen and we are here.. and we have little time left to stop this madness.. SO NO.. I will not discuss source links .. as you will only say it is not true and that all the doctors that have come out and spoken about the dangers of vaccines are wrong….

    “This report describes six mothers who received live virus vaccines and one who received a Hepatitis B
    vaccine during pregnancy after having received an MMR booster five months prior to conception. All the children who resulted from these pregnancies have had
    developmental problems, six out seven (85%) were diagnosed with autism, and the seventh seems to exhibit symptoms often associated with autistic spectrum disorders.” –F. EdwardYazbak, MD

    “Every day new parents are ringing us. They all have the same tragic story. Healthy baby, child, teenager, usually a boy, given the DPT (diphtheria, pertussis and
    tetanus) or DT (diphtheria and tetanus), MMR or MMR booster followed by a sudden fall or slow, but steady decline into autism or other spectrums disorder.”–The Hope Project (Ireland)

    Every Second Child….. Dr Archie Kalokerinos Many of these infants were dying after receiving government-mandated vaccinations. Dr. Thomas Levy writes:

    Vaccinations also generally present some degree of toxin insult to the body. Kalokerinos (1981) observed that vitamin C-deficient Aboriginal infants were often placed into an acute state of scurvy because of the additional vitamin C demands placed on their bodies by the vaccination injections, resulting in sudden
    death. (Thomas E. Levy, MD, JD, Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, & Toxins – Curing The Incurable, 2002).

    Dr. Kalokerinos wrote about his experience in his first book “Every Second Child,” and with the help of other physicians organized a national tour of the U.S. with the other physician who worked with him on vitamin C and SIDS, Dr. Glen Dettman. But the medical profession here and the NIH marginalized and ignored his work.

    Fast-forward to 2004. Here we are, thirty years after two courageous doctors found the root cause – and cure – for SIDS. Tens of thousands of infants have died
    unnecessarily, and more infant deaths seem inevitable. These are tragic deaths that were and are totally preventable. But doctors all over the world are still
    looking for an elusive cause, there are hundreds of SIDS research sites and support networks, and no one is talking about the vitamin C connection or doing
    anything about it, with the exception of a few doctors who have been using large-dose vitamin C for years such as Robert Cathcart of Los Altos, California. The medical establishment just refuses to believe that this
    syndrome could be caused by a simple nutrient deficiency.

  • Justthefacts

    You know what Sue, There is absolutely no evidence that vaccines cause autism so a comparison with measles is not relevant. If you have this evidence that the entire world is looking for, post it, but don’t just assume something that has bee established as not true.

    Natural immunity is the only TRUE immunity and that’s why vaccines induce natural immunity. There is no difference except in the degree of immunity. There is no
    other form of immunity.

    Not true. There are countless studies that have been done on childhood vaccinations. You may not like them,
    but they have been done. There is endless consideration given to how children are vaccinated in universities and in governments worldwide, not just in the U.S.

    Pregnant women are NOT SUPPOSED TO GET VACCINATED. Of course there will be issues.

    Archie Kalokerinos, M.D. was a proponent of Linus Pauling’s discredited ‘high vitamin C doses cures lots of illnesses’ theory, and believes vaccination is a deliberate genocide against indigenous Australians and used to
    spread HIV in Africa.

    Nice talk about SIDS. If you have data on it, post it.

  • Mike P

    “There’s no homeopathic drugs out there to save anyone from measles, polio or any other terrible decease!”

    – Not so fast speed racer…Vitamin A and C are very effective against measles. Polio isn’t even an issue. The vaccines themselves, namely the Salk Vaccine was soley responsible for the outbreak of the paralytic polio when it became contaminated. The most common form of polio was nothing more than flu like symptoms and mild at that.

  • Sue

    Haha Justthefacts ..you say there is know evidence that vaccines cause autism.. well inform me as you seem to know it all and your word seems to be oh powerful.. lol what does cause autism.. why is there now 1 in 68 children with autism.. why is there and epidemic..and
    why are you not concerned.. Why is it that Jennifer Hibben-White lie on her Facebook… come on.. her father has a lot of money in a pharmaceutical
    company.. are you saying that is also false.. are you saying her child got measles.. as we know that was not true.. just a big have…..to discredit for the bug $$$$’s

    You say there is an issue and pregnant woman are not supposed to be vaccinated…. do your homework..
    and see what vaccination they are having.. so informed I see…..how you discredited doctors.. that say anything you disagree with.. and your answer is they are wrong.. what are you GOD.. but you believe BIG Pharma.. with all the billions of Dollars the make. and they cannot even be taken to court in the States by an individual.. what is that about.. protection .. the country of suing….. that is such a concern….. it is 2015 and our children are getting sicker…

    With all your answers there is only statements of saying not true.. but that is just rubbish…. it seems
    the theme of pros deny deny deny…..with absolutely nothing to back it up.. there are so many many doctors who have stated autism is caused through vaccination and you know it.. so stop talking such rubbish.. next thing you will be saying is the world is flat……

    The idea that the earth is flat is a modern concoction that
    reached its peak only after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible…. As you pros are trying to discredit anything that is written to the contrary of you beliefs in vaccines or what you are paid to fight… and argue about…

    The Canadian press recently broke the story that new research confirms initial findings that the flu vaccine appeared to actually increase people’s
    risk of getting sick and cause more serious bouts
    of illness to boot……

    Gardasil vaccine are you saying that is safe.. have
    you not heard of the effect and damage it has done in our young girls….????????

    Please explain why there have been NO studies as to the effects of giving a concoction of 8 vaccines at one time to a baby and not knowing if they are OK being given together?? THIS IS OUR BABIES .. what sort of person are you????????

    Mother Naure eh……. So, how does the immune
    system work?

    The immune system is also made up of the skin, mucous membranes in the nose and throat, ears and
    eyes, nasal hairs, saliva, the spleen, intestines, tonsils, the thymus gland and even the brain. All of these parts work together in a holistic way to bring
    about a whole body immunity, which is only in part to do with antibodies.
    • The skin acts as a barrier to prevent bacteria entering the body. It also filters out toxins through fever, which is the purpose of a fever when your child is ill.

    • The nasal hairs prevent foreign particles from travelling up the nose, and the mucous membranes excrete a substance which is anti-bacterial.

    • Tonsils help prevent respiratory diseases and illnesses such as Polio, and saliva contains substances which destroy and neutralise microbes.

    • The spleen and intestines, among other organs, deposit fats and vitamins around the body and protect against viral and bacterial invasion.

    • The thymus gland produces thymus cells, known as ‘T’ cells, which are antibodies to infection.

    • There are various glands (nodes) in the body that drain it of toxins and useless material. For instance, the cervical nodes drain the head, neck and chest.

    • The pituitary gland in the brain directs all of the systems above, so if the brain goes wrong, so does
    the immune system. It sends electrical impulses to all areas of the body, stimulating cell re-generation and muscle growth. These electrical impulses
    also stimulate the thymus gland – the centre of immune function.

    What effect does vaccination have on this immune function?

    Vaccination – the act of artificially acquiring a disease so as to become immune to it – is flawed in a
    number of ways. Firstly, a vaccine contains many hazardous chemicals and not just the viruses to immunise against. These each have their own toxic affect on
    the body. Secondly, the route of entry is different to a naturally occurring disease. Most natural diseases would enter through the mouth or the nasal cavity, not the skin.

    Vaccination breaks the skin with a needle and injects foreign matter into the blood supply.

    This bypasses the skin’s role in immune function, as well as the tonsils, the mucous membranes, and so
    on.

    What problems can this cause?

    Injection of vaccine via this unnatural route can use up 70% of the immune system’s resources, instead
    of the usual 3 to 4% with a wild occurring disease (according to Cynthia Cournoyer, ‘What About Immunizations?’, Dennis Nelson Publishers, 1991).

    Because the body has no extra antibodies waiting to counter the vaccine, it can go into overdrive in an
    attempt to deal with the situation, taking much needed vitamins away from bones and other organs, to use for the production of more antibodies. This means that
    the other vital systems go short on vitamins, in extreme cases leading to bone fractures caused by the immune response leaching vitamins to cope with the vaccine. This lack of vitamins can also cause bruising and retinal bleeding and haemorrhaging, which is why some vaccine damaged babies have been falsely
    labelled as ‘shaken baby syndrome’ cases. These type of vaccine injuries are similar to those caused by trauma.

    http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Your-Immune-System-How-It-Works-And-How-Vaccines-Damage-It

    Vaccinated Children 5 Times More Likely To Suffer From A Range Of Diseases

    http://www.viewbix.com/v/Unvaccinated-Children-Healthier/a75dae69-a6e2-478b-a4ac-708545b36725

    Study: Vaccinated Children Have 2 to 5 Times More Diseases and Disorders Than Unvaccinated Children – See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/new-study-vaccinated-children-have-2-to-5-times-more-diseases-and-disorders-than-unvaccinated-children/#sthash.1YurDaJj.dpuf

    http://www.vaccineinjury.info/vaccinations-in-general/health-unvaccinated-children/survey-results-illnesses.html

    http://www.vaccineinjury.info/vaccinations-in-general/health-unvaccinated-children/survey-results-illnesses.html

    About 1 in 68 children has been identified with autism
    spectrum disorder (ASD) according to estimates from CDC’s Autism and Developmental
    Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network.
    http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

  • Justthefacts

    Yes, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism. If you are asking me what does, that up to science to find out when it is no longer distracted by irrational people who insist its vaccines. One thing for sure is that there are a LOT of other thinks that correlate to the increasing autism rate better than vaccines. The vaccine rate and method have not changed much in 20 years but the autism rate has changes along with countless other environmental factors.
    .
    As for Jennifer Hibben-White, that is anecdotal evidence that is overwhelmed by all of the other people, testing and evidence.
    .
    I found the Yazbak quote in a “post” he did in 1999. There is no evidence to support his claims that this event with pregnant women happened at all. The footnote pointed to “Changes in the population of persons with
    Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorders in California’s Developmental Services system : 1987 through 1998. A report to the legislature.” and it contained no such data.
    .
    I’m not discrediting doctors, I read what they say and publish and point out it is unsupported. That is on them, not me. If you bothered to look into it, you would see the same.
    .
    Do you really want me to post the CDC data with the long list of studies and testing that has shown that autism is not related to vaccines?

    Undisputable Logic:
    .
    1. There have been 5263 cases filed and heard by the vaccine court. See link below.
    2. Each case has a team of lawyers and resources dedicated to wining the case. Many of the same law firms that won the breast implant cases where involved.
    3. The average award from the vaccine court is 1.6 million dollars. The motivation for winning these cases was very high.
    4. The money involved has lead to the use of expert scientific witnesses to support these cases with research and testing financed by law firms.
    5. This effort to collect data and win these cases lasted for 15 years.
    6. In all of that time, not one case of 5263 cases was won. Autism was never attributed to vaccines.
    7. Question – Do you think you can do a better job of finding evidence that autism is caused by vaccines than all of the resources applied to these cases? – No.
    8. Do you currently have evidence or will you currently find evidence that autism is caused by vaccines? No.
    9. If you believe that autism is caused by vaccines and have no current evidence to support it, the belief is solely based on faith.
    10. Autism/vaccine connection belief is faith based, like religion.
    .
    There is no other side. There is no evidence that vaccines cause autism. As of today, the question is settled. It is perfectly reasonable to dismiss this claim until and unless new data in found.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court

  • Lou

    LOL

    Well we have a very good “study” on “vaccinated” vs non-needle-violated children from India; we certainly do not need the proven liars at the CDC.

    The Autism/ASD/Vaccine Damage epidemic is found in all countries that have allowed mass vaccinations. It is found nowhere else.

    “In New Delhi, India, prior to 2000, ASD/PDD (autism spectrum disorder/pervasive developmental disorder) symptoms were rare – typically only occurring in children who were vaccinated abroad. However, after the Indian pediatricians began recommending, in 2000, the addition of triple-dose Thimerosal-preserved Hib (Haemophilis influenza B) and Hep B (hepatitis B) vaccination programs to the existing Thimerosal-preserved triple dose DTP (diphtheria toxin, tetanus toxin and pertussis toxins) vaccination program recommended by the Government of India, the incidence of a childhood ASD/PDD diagnosis increased to 2 % to 4 % of vaccinated New Delhi children.” Doctor Paul King PhD, Note folks here it is.Read and reread this PLEASE, Please observe all the mercury being dumped into these innocent Indian children. In the USA much of this neurotoxic mercury has been removed. IMO this is no accident. Depopulation is underway in India and China as well as the USA.

    http://dr-king.com/docs/100711_ParallelsinNewDelhiIndia_AnEpidemic_b.pdf

  • Lou

    American Public Officially Loses Faith in CDC
    As Vaccine-Cover Ups Continue to Survive

    As 2014 came to a close, the mainstream media and CDC desperately
    hoped that a last resort media blackout tactic would put to rest their
    well-deserved negative attention. Yet today, with 750,000,000 (on the way to one billion) #CDCwhistleblower Twitter impressions, it begs the question why this major story has not been investigated and given proper attention by mainstream media, enforcement agencies, and worldwide medical oversight boards. The fact
    remains that in 2004, top CDC researchers saw a major statistically
    significant link to increased autism caused in their MMR vaccines trials
    and they blatantly covered it up.

    Due to the now infamous CDC whistle blower Dr. William Thompson’s press release admitting purposeful neglect, what started as a bump in the night has now grown into a vicious monster with teeth under the beds of complicit CDC officials and a purposefully silent media. Angry parents are still angry and children are still being vaccine injured.

    http://naturalsociety.com/american-public-officially-loses-faith-cdc/#ixzz3VvGrw4uV

  • Sue

    Anyone who would trust Wikipedia says nit all.. and you have not answered my question what causes autism?? And as for theCDC site.. I no they are for BIG Pharma.. but even on their site there is no denying how the numbers of autism have risen.. I would not matter what evidence is put forward to people like you .. you will always say there is no evidence.. and there is just so much overwhelming evidence that is why BIG Pharma is running scared.. and has people like you to try and discredit.. YOU EXPLAIN to parnts of children that have autism why there is now 1 in 68 children have it and the numbers are going up and up….YOU EXPLAIN to ME……?????

    Explain WHY Kids Given Vaccines Have 22 Times the Rate of Ear Infections

    32 times the rate of sinusitis, 4x allergies, 2x asthma, 4x hayfever, 3x ADHD and 19 times higher odds of Autism based on this 7,850 person survey. Yet 98% of parents give it to their children -…

    Yes it is such a healthy options .. to put all these toxic chemicals into their wee bodies.. what planet are you on.. do you really you think that our future generations are not in big big trouble…well we are i big trouble NOW…. YOu are a very sad sad person… and i hope the payout BLOOD Money is worth sacrificing our babies..

  • VikingRN

    You can follow the links from snopes to the original sources.

    The world death rate from measles has dropped by 75% since 2000. This is 100% attributable to vaccination programs. Sourced from world health organization.

    It is absolutely immorality that we allow 450 children to die from measles complications each and every day.

  • VikingRN

    Sources? My experience as a nurse is that vaccinated kids live to adulthood.

    Basing your numbers on a survey is probably the least reliable form of research methodology.

    The science is indisputable there is no linkage between vaccinations and autism.

  • VikingRN

    It’s because autism has been redefined as a spectrum disorder. In other words the criteria for diagnosis was loosened. This resulted in the increase of cases.

  • Sue

    Another dipstick VikingRN

    Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries Of Official Statistics

    Download or view this article as a .pdf file

    This is the data the drug industry do not want you to see. Here 2 centuries of UK, USA and Australian official death statistics show conclusively and scientifically modern medicine is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improved life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies.

    A detailed Contents listing of this article with each category of disease and related graphs appears after the Introduction.

    Introduction
    The main advances in combating disease over 200 years have been better food and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less overcrowded and better living conditions also contribute. This is also borne out in published peer reviewed research

    Measles mortality graphs are enlightening [more below] and contradict the claims of Government health officials that vaccines have saved millions of lives. It is an unscientific claim which the data show is untrue. Here you will also learn why vaccinations like mumps and rubella for children are medically unethical and can expose medical professionals to liability for criminal proceedings and civil damages for administering them.
    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

  • Lou

    Bottom line the CDC KNOWS the MMR is a LARGE factor in autism. MOST unbrain dead pediatricians are quaking in their boots trying to salvage their careers if not their SOULS.

    Give the hep B “vaccine” almost NEVER and the MMR after age 4 IMO and watch Autism the ASDs and
    neurogeneralization drop like the CDC in the public’s eye.

    The public is onto the CDC. The CDC is TRUSTED no more. They will now be watched like a hawk and EXPECTED to lie about the most critical matters.The CDC has brought this on themselves by SELLING OUT. BIG Vaccine INC is a 60 billion/year INDUSTRY. They have tens of billions with which to buy PEOPLE and “studies” Certainly the Political Bosses at the CDC have
    been BOUGHT. And you Sir have been bought.

    http://naturalsociety.com/american-public-officially-loses-faith-cdc/

  • VikingRN

    A direct quote from Dr golomb would answer the question.

    The vast concensus of health care providers is that vaccination programs work and are safer than the diseases.

  • VikingRN

    As a nurse practitioner I can assure you that just has been.accurately representing the evidence.

  • VikingRN

    As a public health nurse clean I agree that some of the factors you list are important. However as a phn I also know that diseased that are droplet transmitted such as measles are the most contagious and remain active on surfaces for hours as compared to minutes (eg HIV).

    The need for namecalling automatically weakens your argument. As a third generation nurse I heard the stories growing up. My mother at 77 still remembers how sick she was from the measles.i heard and remembered the stories of children who died in the prevaccination era. I challenge you to walk through a cemetery and count the number of children under age 5 who died at the turn of the 20th century. There are always more Graves marked in that time period than 50 years later. My grandmother lost 3 children. It was always remarked how amazing it was that she had 12 children live to adulthood.

    She made sure that both my sister and myself were vaccinated including smallpox. 40 years later I know for a fact that my smallpox immunity as well as measles is intact.

    I vaccinated my daughters.they are both healthy productive adults.

  • VikingRN

    By the way it is unethical for me as an aprn to fail to offer the best evidence based care.

  • VikingRN

    Her citations of possible side effects are meaningless without data. Here are the real numbers according to world health organization.

    1 child per thousand will die from measles
    Another 2 to 3 will suffer a lifelong learning or sensory disability.

    1 child per million or less may experience anaphylaxis or death.

    Mmr vaccinations have reduced childhood measles death rates by 75% since 2000.

  • VikingRN

    A double blind study would be unethical. The infection rates for unvaccinated individuals are well known. Vaccinated individuals.are.much less likely to contract disease.

  • Sue

    So you suggest you vaccinated your daughter and they are healthy .. and when other parents state that vaccines made their children sick and others who stated caused their children’s autism.. you will not listen…
    calling the kettle black I would say.. And the medical industry how much training did you get on nutrition. and how much training on medications and vaccines..
    who funded or donated millions to the medical training institutes… BIG Pharma.. that is of cause you live in the STATES.. I had measles as child.. no problem.. and i am lucky enough to have a lifetime immunity.
    It is medical people like you that is the most scary as you think that putting cocktails of chemicals into our babies is OK…..

    1900’s 1 American in 33 got cancer in some shape…
    1926 Cancer was the 10th highest cause of death in children….TODAY it is the first cause of DEATH in children WHAT IS GOING ON.. This is 2015 and there are more sick people with disease that were not heard of a lot in my day and my parents day.. Miss Nurse.. Please explain?????

    Kids Given Vaccines Have 22 Times the Rate of Ear Infections

    32 times the rate of sinusitis, 4x allergies, 2x asthma, 4x hayfever, 3x ADHD and 19 times higher odds of Autism based on this 7,850 person survey. Yet 98% of parents give it to their children -…

    Go and talk to the families who have autistic children see how their lives are.. you have no idea.. as your children you stated are healthy. I on the other hand have firsthand knowledge at what it is lke…..

    About 1 in 68 children has been identified with autism
    spectrum disorder (ASD) according to estimates from CDC’s Autism and Developmental
    Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network.
    http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

    So, how does the immune system work?

    The immune system is also made up of the skin, mucous membranes in the nose and throat, ears and
    eyes, nasal hairs, saliva, the spleen, intestines, tonsils, the thymus gland and even the brain. All of these parts work together in a holistic way to bring about a whole body immunity, which is only in part to do with antibodies.

    • The skin acts as a barrier to prevent bacteria entering the body. It also filters out toxins through fever, which is the purpose of a fever when your child is ill.

    • The nasal hairs prevent foreign particles from travelling up the nose, and the mucous membranes
    excrete a substance which is anti-bacterial.

    • Tonsils help prevent respiratory diseases and illnesses such as Polio, and saliva contains
    substances which destroy and neutralise microbes.

    • The spleen and intestines, among other organs, deposit fats and vitamins around the body and
    protect against viral and bacterial invasion.

    • The thymus gland produces thymus cells, known as ‘T’ cells, which are antibodies to infection.

    • There are various glands (nodes) in the body that drain it of toxins and useless material. For
    instance, the cervical nodes drain the head, neck and chest.

    • The pituitary gland in the brain directs all of the systems above, so if the brain goes wrong, so does
    the immune system. It sends electrical impulses to all areas of the body, stimulating cell re-generation and muscle growth. These electrical impulses also stimulate the thymus gland – the centre of immune function.

    What effect does vaccination have on this immune function?

    Vaccination – the act of artificially acquiring a disease so as to become immune to it – is flawed in a
    number of ways. Firstly, a vaccine contains many hazardous chemicals and not just the viruses to immunise against. These each have their own toxic affect on the body. Secondly, the route of entry is different to a naturally occurring disease. Most natural diseases would enter through the mouth or the nasal
    cavity, not the skin.

    Vaccination breaks the skin with a needle and injects foreign matter into the blood supply.

    This bypasses the skin’s role in immune function, as well as the tonsils, the mucous membranes, and so
    on.

    What problems can this cause?

    Injection of vaccine via this unnatural route can use up 70% of the immune system’s resources, instead
    of the usual 3 to 4% with a wild occurring disease (according to Cynthia Cournoyer, ‘What About Immunizations?’, Dennis Nelson Publishers, 1991).

    Because the body has no extra antibodies waiting to counter the vaccine, it can go into overdrive in an
    attempt to deal with the situation, taking much needed vitamins away from bones and other organs, to use for the production of more antibodies. This means that
    the other vital systems go short on vitamins, in extreme cases leading to bone fractures caused by the immune response leaching vitamins to cope with the
    vaccine. This lack of vitamins can also cause bruising and retinal bleeding and haemorrhaging, which is why some vaccine damaged babies have been falsely
    labelled as ‘shaken baby syndrome’ cases. These type of vaccine injuries are similar to those caused by trauma.
    http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Your-Immune-System-How-It-Works-And-How-Vaccines-Damage-It

    Vaccinated Children 5 Times More Likely To Suffer From A Range Of Diseases

  • Sue

    Wasn’t your oath you took to not poison people .. what do you think all these vaccines are doing to our children.. with all the toxic chemicals.. I would be so ashamed I was you…

  • You gotta hand it to a troll that uses the name “Paul Garbovski” but snatched their avatar from a pinterest profile

    There have already been multiple vaccinated vs unvaccinated studies of the MMR vaccine. Here’s one, for example, of over 500,000 children in Denmark

  • Sue

    You have got to be kidding me.. this is the bull excuse.. come on.. when My son was in school. there was very few cases and small numbers.. he was able to get full time school a full time teachers aid while at school.. at school.. now children who have autism are lucky to even be aloud full time schooling as the numbers are so high..I worked in an social industry and spoke to so many parents with this problem..The care facilities are just bulging.. do you really think a better diagnosis has done this.. the disability has not changed there are just thousands upon thousands of more autistic children.. it is just stupidly for you to suggest this you are nothing but a parrot…OF BIG PHARMA.. how much blood money are the paying you>????.

  • Cricket

    You question my sources and then post (dead) links to blogs, really? That’s rather lackadaisical on your part. Sincerely, and with no disrespect, I’ve said all I have to say to you on the subject of corruption within the vaccine industry.

    It’s been nice debating with you, Google Guy. Peace ;o)

  • Mike Stevens

    Perhaps we should start calling him “Denise”?

  • Justthefacts

    You first link was a blog so one blog that disagrees should be enough. I’m sorry the other two links are dead but one blog against one blog still sounds fair. Two contracting opinion pieces.

    The reply to you second link is not dead and on point. I guess that you must agree with it then.

    You third link points back to your first link and Lucija Tomljenovic and her complete lack of evidence for her claims for which one of the three links work.
    You fifth link made claims the CDC cherry picks data and I asked for an example. You don’t have one so I guess that’s settled.
    For your last link, I agreed with the 150 people that we should be concerned about vaccines so I guess that’s an agreement.
    I’m glad we were able to have an amiable agreement. Thanks.

  • Justthefacts
  • Justthefacts

    We both know that the CDC publically disagrees with you I don’t have you show you that but if you want to make a claim contrary to public knowledge, I think you need to back that up with data and sources other that natural remedy website blogs.

    As for the conspiracy, Can you please explain why they are doing a really bad job if there is a conspiracy?
    .
    I have a thought experiment for you. No facts or links, just an idea and I want your worse criticism of it. I’ve always had a problem with this idea that big pharma is bad and evil for one reason; They are not doing a good job of being bad and evil. Here is my scenario:
    .
    You are Bad Merck Executive (BME) and the year is 2001. You will make millions and get a lifetime membership to the illuminati if you can boost the profits from the MMR vaccine. You can be evil but not obvious. To start with, there are two things two your advantage:
    1. You have a monopoly as all other manufacturers have walked away from the MMR.
    2. You have no liability on the vaccines as to damage it may cause (vaccine court, etc.)
    .
    There are two ways to make more money and they are to lower your costs or increase the price. Lowering the costs is difficult and conventional and the benefit is probably small. The real opportunity is to raise the price. The government has some cost controls in place so it’s nearly impossible to raise the price of the current product. The best way to make more money is to make a new product that costs more. Now the two problems with that is the current product sells and developing a new product costs money. We need to get rid of the old MMR and get somebody else to pay for the new product.
    .
    BME has the perfect Idea! What He will do is get with the scientist and government cabal and we will all agree that the current MMR causes autism. If we do that, the autism victims will be paid by the government, not Merck. BME will go to the government and ask for 100 of millions of dollars to develop a new vaccine because they are not going to quit the vaccine. Now you can raise costs and you win making money on the new product AND the development. On top of that, all of the autism victims will love you for admitting the problem.
    .
    So this is my problem. If Big Pharma is so bad, why are they doing such a bad job and making so many autism enemies when it is IN THEIR INTEREST to declare the current drug as bad? Why is the conspiracy doing such a poor job?
    .
    Got any ideas?

  • Justthefacts

    Have you actually read that PDF “Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries Of Official Statistics”? None od the source data support the paper. My favorite part is the graph they have for measles deaths. The PDF says you can see a larger graph if you click on it but that does work. If you really want to sent that graph, here is a link:

    http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Measles%20-%20Mortality%20Per%2055%20Million%20All%20Ages.pdf

    Now that you can actually see the graph, you will see that it is logarithmic and in 1988, the death rate was 100 per 55 million. In 1996 it was 1 per 55 million. It just so happens that the MMR are introduced in England in 1988 and widespread use started saving 100 death per year but if you make the graph small enough, no one will notice.
    .
    Right now, 145,700 people died each year from the measles. it is a crime to say the measles vaccine is not needed.

  • Sue

    Zero U.S. measles deaths in 10 years, but over 100 measles vaccine deaths reported

    Learn….more: http://www.naturalnews.com/048573_measles_deaths_MMR_vaccine_immunization_dangers.html#ixzz3W16JE6tO

    For the sake of full disclosure, is it possible to die of
    measles? Sure, if you live in an impoverished third-world country or have severe deficiencies of vitamins A, C, and D, but in this country, you have a higher chance of dying from drowning in your toilet, tripping up your stairs, or falling out of a window. You could die from a sinus infection too, but we don’t call it a deadly disease (probably because we don’t have a vaccine
    for it…yet). Measles is not a deadly disease either. Clearly at one time, Dr. Barrett agreed as he sent his patient home to recover.

    http://www.livingwhole.org/a-response-to-one-child-dead-two-foolish-parents/

    Vaccinated Children 5 Times More Likely To Suffer From A Range Of Diseases

    There have been no studies of what 8 vaccines
    given at once and what affects giving these vaccines together will .. do..you still have not answered the
    question of why there is so many cases of autism.. 1 in 68 children are diagnosed with autism.. and that is rising.. you try your scare tactics with numbers of people dying each year.. and these cases are not in America.. do you even care about how
    many children die of starvations.. and other diseases viruses that children in the west would never die from because lack of food hygiene ect etc.. so don’t
    try to care with your stats.. surely you are more intelligent than that…..You are more interested in trying to discredit than find out the truth..

    You know there is so much evidence out there.. but you like all PROS are not interested in the TRUTH….what you will find is people just want the choice what they put in their own bodies and that of their children.. not to be forced to do so…You live in a family with a
    vaccine injured child and the guilt that comes with that..You live with severe autism and see what it does to a family..

    BIG Pharna is making billions of dollars.. and there is a law in the states that stops individuals from suing .. they have a separate court.. what is that about……NO TRANSPARENCY…..And you say vaccines
    are safe.. come on…

  • Lou
  • Justthefacts

    There where 145,700 deaths from measles last year worldwide.

    There where 108 measles vaccination deaths reported in the VAERS database where anyone can enter claims without being edited. It is a warning system, not a real database. Like other spontaneous reporting systems, VAERS has several limitations, including underreporting, unverified reports, inconsistent data quality, absence of a control group that is not vaccinated, and inadequate data about the number of people vaccinated. Indeed, an autism activist named Jim Laidler once reported to VAERS that a vaccine had turned him into The Incredible Hulk. Litigation related to vaccines and autism has led to an increase in VAERS reports filed by
    plaintiff’s attorneys. A 2006 article in Pediatrics found that most VAERS reports related to thimerosal, and many related to autism, were filed in connection with litigation, leading the authors to caution that inappropriate reliance on VAERS data may be a source of bias. The study’s lead author stated:
    “Lawyers are manipulating this system to show increases in vaccine-related adverse events] that are based on litigation, not health research. Paul
    Offit, chief of infectious disease at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, wrote:
    .
    Public health officials were disappointed to learn that reports of autism to VAERS weren’t coming from
    parents, doctors, nurses, or nurse practitioners; they were coming from personal-injury lawyers… For the lawyers, VAERS reports hadn’t been a self-fulfilling prophecy; they’d been a self-generated prophecy

    Naturalnews.com promotes homepathy to treat Ebola. Let me repeat that HOMEOPATHY TO TREAT EBOLA. The website is operated by Allen Adams. Adams is an AIDS denialist, a 9/11 truther, a birther, and endorsed conspiracy theories surrounding the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, as well as surrounding the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.[22] He has endorsed Burzynski: Cancer Is Serious Business, a movie about Stanislaw Burzynski

  • Justthefacts

    You don’t keep up with the news, do ya? Dr. Thompson still works for the CDC and is pro-vaxx.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/now-retracted-autism-study-viral/story?id=25248179

    Thompson was found to be a fraud:
    http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp

    The Hooker paper with the new data Thompson refered to is pulled for fraud.
    http://www.translationalneurodegeneration.com/content/3/1/22
    .

  • Lou

    Why not go to the CDC,

    http://www.cdc.gov/measles/images/measles-cases-616px.png

    Do you see all the cases of measles? Looks like about 125 cases/year. NO one died.

    Please take some time to learn a little about measles.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_measles.htm

  • Lou

    Strange that they double blind EVERYTHING, most of it a LOT more serious than measles.

    Know why?

    The Autism/ASD/Vaccine Damage epidemic is found in all countries that have allowed mass vaccinations. It is found nowhere else.

    “In New Delhi, India, prior to 2000, ASD/PDD (autism spectrum
    disorder/pervasive developmental disorder) symptoms were rare
    typically only occurring in children who were vaccinated abroad.
    However, after the Indian pediatricians began recommending, in 2000, the addition of triple-dose Thimerosal-preserved Hib (Haemophilis influenza B) and Hep B (hepatitis B) vaccination programs to the existing Thimerosal-preserved triple dose DTP (diphtheria toxin, tetanus toxin and pertussis toxins) vaccination program recommended by the Government of India, the incidence of a childhood ASD/PDD diagnosis increased to 2 % to 4 % of vaccinated New Delhi children.” Doctor Paul King PhD, Note folks here it is.Read and reread this PLEASE, Please observe all the mercury being dumped into these innocent Indian children. In the USA much of this neurotoxic mercury has been removed. IMO this is no accident. Depopulation is underway in India and China as well as the USA.

    http://dr-king.com/docs/100711_ParallelsinNewDelhiIndia_AnEpidemic_b.pdf

  • Lou

    “Vaccinated individuals.are.much less likely to contract disease.”

    Nope.

    Pertussis Vaccination Deadly Scam

    “Outbreaks of whooping cough have been increasing annually. However, state and local health authorities investigating and gathering statistics on pertussis outbreaks are discovering the highest numbers of infected persons among the vaccinated. Mississippi, with the highest vaccination rate in the country, has shown significant increases in whooping cough cases, with only 9% of those infected being unvaccinated. Across the nation, the most highly infected are those who have received three or more pertussis shots and boosters.” What if the Vaccine Paradigm itself is Deliberately Flawed? Note this makes perfect sense when you consider getting the immunosuppressive DTaP into as many children and adults as OFTEN as possible (often 7+ times) is the OBJECT of the DTaP

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_pertussis.htm

  • VikingRN

    No I don’t get a nickel from the pharmaceutical companies I am a psychiatric nurse practitioner.

    I think you may be just a tad hyperbolic in your claims.. My wife is an ecse teacher. Children have a right to a free and appropriate education under A variety of statutes.

    An incidence rate of 1/68 is just shy of 1.5%.

    To put that in context in a 1000 student school system that translates into 15 students across all ages. Given the drive for mainstreaming that means the less involved kids will be educated alongside their age mates.

    As to other possible causes chromosome 22 deletion is probably implicated in at least some of the autistic disorders.

    Signs and symptoms may include some combination of the following:

    Bluish skin due to poor circulation of oxygen-rich blood (cyanosis) as a result of a heart defectBreathing problemsTwitching or spasms around the mouth, hands, arms or throatFrequent infectionsCertain facial features, such as an underdeveloped chin, low-set ears, wide-set eyes or a narrow groove in the upper lipA gap in the roof of the mouth (cleft palate) or other problems with the palateDelayed growthDifficulty feeding and gastrointestinal problemsFailure to gain weightPoor muscle toneDelayed development, such as delays in rolling over, sitting up or other infant milestonesDelayed speech developmentLearning delays or difficulties and behavior problems
    http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/digeorge-syndrome/basics/symptoms/con-20031464

    A significant percentage of digeorge patients develop schizophrenia and other learning problems.

    None of your claims stand up to the simplest analysis in light of respected peer reviewed journals.

  • Sue

    I see you right a lot of ….. but it would not matter if I added 100 doctors that disagree you would still say it was untrue.. do you even know the history of how our health system developed.. you mention HOMEOPATHY like it is a dirty word.. and of course we know why.. BIG Pharma.. They are not interested in herbs food as they can not patent this.. and will not me any money.. they are not interested in the immune systems of people working well as this does not make them any money.. They are interested in DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS…. VACCINES VACCINES VACCINES.. as this makes them billions and billions of $$$$’s.. PROS favorite word are conspiracy theories.. oh and not proven… Modern medicine is nothing more than a way to keep peple sick and make more and more money..there is nothing about how to fix.Measles was never a big deal when I was a child.. I got measles and have a life time immunity.. you talk such utter rubbish..RUBISH..

    Rockefeller Junior used as a business tactic the strategy of controlling narcotics by using political influence to get laws passed. He also used the strategy of prohibiting certain medicines, in order to control the entire medical system, which he, with the help of his father was able to accomplish. This was done to insure that the Rockefeller-owned pharmaceutical companies would remain the powerful monopolies that they had become. Hemp/marijuana made plentiful ethanol when distilled and was good for running car engines, generators etc. Hemp/marijuana had many industrial uses such as cloth, paper, ropes, and many, many other uses. Because it made plentiful ethanol it therefore was seen as a competitive threat to the Rockefeller petroleum monopolies, as was the fact that cannabis/marijuana was an excellent natural medicine which presented a serious threat to the Rockefeller monopoly on chemically-based pharmaceutical sales. http://www.rockefellerdrugwars.com/

    Have you ever wondered how the freest and most advanced nation on the planet could end up with such a dysfunctional health care system? The people of the United States lead the world in taking drugs for which there is no recognized deficiency. Doctors wrote over 4 billion prescriptions for drugs in 2011 alone!

    While I greatly appreciate the advancements in emergency/trauma medicine over the last 100 years, much of the rest of allopathic medicine appears invested in management of diseases that it may actually be causing.

    http://www.robertscottbell.com/natural-remedies/what-is-the-hidden-history-of-modern-medicine-in-america-rsb-reveals-it/………….However, by 1910, the AMA was out of money and didn’t have the funds to complete the project. The Rockefellers had joined forces with the Carnegie foundation to create an education fund, and they were approached by N. P. Colwell (secretary of the Council on Medical Education) to finish the job they had started, but could no longer fund. Rockefeller and Carnegie agreed. Simon Flexner, who was on the Board of Directors for the Rockefeller Institute, proposed that his brother, Abraham, who knew nothing about medicine, be hired for the project. Who knew at the time that those two brothers would do more to change the 20th century than even the Wright Brothers!

    Despite his lack of medical knowledge, Flexner planned to restructure the AMA and certify medical schools based solely upon his recommendations. Eventually, Flexner submitted a report to The Carnegie Foundation entitled “Medical Education in the United States and Canada,” which is also known as the “Flexner Report.” As expected, the report determined that it was far too easy to start a medical school and that most medical schools were not teaching sound medicine. Translation: They weren’t teaching enough of a drug intensive system (made by the companies owned by Carnegie and Rockefeller).

    With the AMA grading the various medical colleges, homeopathic colleges, even the large and respected ones, were forced to stop teaching homeopathy or die from lack of funding. This impacted the teaching of naturopathy and eclectic medical schools in the same way. Destroying the teaching institutions that would have carried them forward into the modern era efficiently eliminated competition to patent medicines.

    With public backing secured by the publication of the Flexner Report, Carnegie and Rockefeller commenced a major upgrade in medical education by financing only those medical schools that taught drug-based medicine.

  • VikingRN

    You keep citing a survey yet you never provide a single link. If it’s a self selecting Internet survey the statistics are meaningless.

    A very significant percentage of autistic children probably have chromosome 22 deletions.

    Per up to date

    Genetic causes — Genetic conditions are increasingly being diagnosed by technological advances in genetic testing; a specific genetic cause can be identified in more than 50 percent of cases of ID referred for specialty evaluation [15,16,18]. The increasing use of techniques related to genome-wide sequencing of the coding regions (exome) promises to uncover many more genes involved in both syndromic and nonsyndromic ID. Chromosomal microarray analysis (CMA) is currently the most valuable tool in routine practice to identify the genetic causes of ID, as discussed below [10,19]. (See ‘Chromosomal microarray analysis’ below.)

    Also see

    Other such disorders include deletions at NRXN1 [29], 1q21.1 [30], 15q13.3 [31], and 16p11.2 [32]. Less frequent copy number variations are observed as deletions of 1p36 [33], 3q29 [34], 9q34 [35], and 17q21.31 [36]. These are generally classified as syndromic forms of ID, occurring with comorbid disorders such as autism spectrum disorder, neuropsychiatric concerns, epilepsy, facial dysmorphisms, or congenital anomalies.

  • ciaparker2

    Says the vaccine company spokesman desperate to put off the moment of truth when the public sees how damaging the vaccines are and how healthy unvaxed children are.

  • Justthefacts

    You don’t have 100 doctors and you know very well what I have posted is backed up by the CDC, universities and governments around the world not to mention 1000s of doctors and scientist. You know you are in the minority. More importantly, also know that there is not real, established evidence to support your beliefs or your perceived “house of cards” would fall. You have no evidence to support your faith based belief. What you don’t have a grip is the following

    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy
    .
    The necessary explanation used by anti-vaxxers to explain why the “truth” is not generally known is that there is a conspiracy between Big Pharma, the media, and the government to suppress the truth. We will refer to them collectively as “BP”. Let’s logically examine this case with the assumption that this situation is true.
    .
    1. BP has the ability to suppress evidence supporting a known problem with vaccines or a vaccine.
    2. This does not apply to current prosecution or active governmental investigations because, by definition, the information is not suppressed. If the evidence was truly damaging, it would have been fully suppressed. All open issues must only contain non threatening information.
    3. By definition, the conspiracy must be successful at this time, or the information would be available and the conspiracy would be exposed and therefore no longer exist.
    4. The BP Conspiracy must be powerful and durable enough to defeat the forces against it which are substantial in their own right. BP must defeat or corrupt:
    .
    -Both the domestic and international press
    -International governments such and India who have no love for BP
    -Ex-employees and scientists who have the knowledge and where with all to develop or obtain such evidence.
    -Independent media outlets with easy access to the internet for information dissemination.
    .
    5. Given that this BP Conspiracy is this successful, what are the odds that Mike Adams down in Cedar Creek, Texas will find some real evidence to post on his NaturalNews.com? or mercola.com will post actual evidence?
    6. What are the odds that YOU will find any evidence clicking your way through the Internet? ZERO.
    7. This anti-vaxxer “truth”, whatever it is, has no evidence to support it because of BP so it is faith based. It is a religion.
    8. MSM, AlterNet, and all non-believers dismiss the “truth” and make the reasonable claim that “there is no other side” since it is entirely faith based.
    .
    The Vaccine Conspiracy Fallacy is just an offshoot of the general Conspiracy Theory Fallacy that shows that an argument that requires the existence of a grand conspiracy must have no real supporting evidence and be based on irrational faith by its very nature. If you consider the possibility of a BP Conspiracy hiding a “truth” and compare it to the absence of a conspiracy where the “truth” is false, the resulting apparent situation and functioning reality is identical in both cases. There can be only be blind faith in the “truth”
    So Anti-vaxxers, you can make the claims you wish and rant about the issues but don’t claim, or even think, that you have any evidence to support it. You are a member of a new age religion who is fighting a grand conspiracy or jousting at windmills. There is no way for you to know the difference.

  • ciaparker2

    The one you cited was fraudulent. I’ll bet you’ll be shocked and ashamed to learn that you’re using a study that’s the poster child for FRAUD IN MMR?

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/03/first-fraud-dr-poul-thorsen-and-the-original-danish-study.html

  • Sue

    It is very sad that you think that you think autistic children probably have chromosome 22 deletions… PROBABLY says it all.. not 1 in 68 children can have this.. it is just excuses from BIG Pharma…and people like you are on hear to protect their turf… . YOU keep saying it is not a cause of vaccines .you stand by while these toxic chemicals going into our babies..and doing great damage to their immune systems.. Future generation are going to pay an enormous price..and that is what you are part of… sad very sad…..

  • Sue

    You know Justthefacts for every for their is an against.. however BIG Pharma has a shit load of money to fight.. to save their earning…. Your favorite words are Conspiracy theory and Not True..you are a very sad individual who is helping pave the way for more vaccine damaged children.. and if there is 1 in 68 children diagnosed with autism there is a problem.. it is little fish like me that you go after so you can say see talking shit.. but that does not change the facts that VACCINES are toxic chemicals with warnings on them….I am not a doctor who is trained by believing that medication and vaccines are magic..but I am a mother of a child with sever autism.. You just have to look at antibiotics to it is on the way out and not working to see what the future holds..I believe in freedom of choice and if you want to vaccinated go ahead but do not force others to do the same.. If you are vaccinated you have nothing do fear do you????
    I hope it is worth it for you..

  • Oh. Was that study retracted? No.

    So nothing more than the typical J.B. Handley b.s.

    Like most of the rest of the garbage on the Age of Lying About Autism site, he’s banking none of his lo-info readers have the time or brains to actually fact-check his wild-eyed claims. In your case, looks like that was a safe bet.

    Just between friends, I think the poster child for fraud in MMR studies goes to Andy Wakefield. Although Brian Hooker is definitely a contender</u..

  • Proponent

    Age of Autism?

    You mean.. one of the top ranked crank anti-vaccination websites?

    As you would say, ciaparker2.. google; “Age of Autism crank website”.. the readers should have *more than enough material to pass a coffee break.. or.. three.

    (*About 140,000 results (0.62 seconds) )

    Here’s a taste and what rationalwiki has to say..

    “Age of Autism (often abbreviated to AoA) is a site that hosts the blogs of the ableist leaders in the field of anti-vaccination crankery and has little to do with actual autism other than the claim that vaccines cause autism (they don’t). Their bloggers include the likes of Mark Blaxill, David Kirby, J.B. Handley, and, of course, Jenny McCarthy. They also peddle “treatments” for autism produced by alternative medicine woo-meister Lee Silsby, which consist of vitamin supplements and other nature woo. Age of Autism, being the cesspool of the craziest of the anti-vaccine movement, has invoked several arguments horrible in both quality and in taste, which, of course, involves the typical PRATTs of the anti-vaccine movement that can probably fill the entire bingo card.

    In a pathetic attempt at being reasonable, they proclaim themselves as “not anti-vaccine, just pro-safe vaccine” even though they have aimed their fear-mongering cannons at Gardasil[1] and the meningitis vaccine[2], which are irrelevant to autism.

    Not surprisingly for a anti-vaccine crank website, Age of Autism views itself as a champion for the so-called “medical rights” including the “right” to refuse the vaccine because they think the misinformed parent can make a decision better than a professional government-sponsored medical organization. They draw depressingly awful analogies of vaccines to things like human trafficking, rape, and, of course, Hitler and Nazism. They also roll in conspiracy theories like Big Pharma and even think they are winning[3].

    Bottom line, if not implied a hundred times here, they’re the to-go site for the lowest parts of the anti-vaccination movement. ”

    Doesn’t sound very credible to me.. or others, for that matter.

  • Justthefacts

    I’m sorry for your loss but it does explain your need to find a bad guy, I gather from your response that you do seem to understand that you are deep in a faith based belief. That doesn’t mean you are right or wrong; it
    just means that you can’t really know for sure.
    I hope you also see that it is basically impossible for you to have an unbiased opinion on the subject.

    We can exchange claims and discussions of conspiracies but there is one thing for sure. Since the start of the vaccine court in 1988, there has been an average of 555 total claims per year. That is all claims including those that have been rejected. That is all of the people who felt they were injured enough to make a claim. That is all of them. Every one of them. 2 out of three of them get paid. This amounts to one per one
    million vaccinations which makes it one of the safest human activities ever invented. There can be no “conspiracy” because these are numbers that cannot be faked. People who could not apply would raise
    the alarm and say so. This is just a fact.

    Before 1963 and the measles vaccine, 4000 people got encephalopathy from the measles alone not counting the 450 deaths per year. Again, the measles ALONE. There can’t be a conspiracy here either with 50 year old numbers.

    Sorry, but facts are facts and some things transcend any
    conspiracy theory. Your loss does not change this.

  • Justthefacts

    We know for a fact exactly how many people are injured per year. Its a small number and about one per one million vaccinations. The term “Poison” does not apply.

  • Proponent

    Let’s see..

    1) ‘Pharma shill gambit’.. check.
    2) Use of and/or the mention of ‘truth’ in post/comment.. check.
    3) No support for (erroneous) claims.. check.

    …. and.. stop.

    Do not pass go.

    Anything else?

  • Sue

    That is why the true numbers will not be open to the public because of all the lies.. like that.. and that is not even taking to account how vaccinated children are not as healthy as non vaccinated children..The moment a doctor a parent a health person states what is happening they are spoken about so unjustly just so BIG Pharma can keep on keeping on hiding the truth.. and yelling Conspiracy theories.. .or quack doctors.. You are talking utter rubbish just utter rubbish..

    “The evidence for indicting immunisations for SIDS is circumstantial, but compelling. However, the keepers of the keys to medical-research funds are not interested in researching this very important lead to the cause of an ongoing, and possibly preventable, tragedy. Anything that implies that immunisations are not the greatest medical advance in the history of public health is ignored or ridiculed. Can you imagine the economic and political import of discovering that immunisations are killing thousands of babies?” –Dr. Douglass M.D.

    “Only after realising that routine immunisations were dangerous did I achieve a substantial drop in infant death rates. The worst vaccine of all is the whooping cough vaccine… it is responsible for a lot of deaths and for a lot of infants suffering irreversible brain damage. In susceptible infants, it knocks their immune systems about, leading to irreparable brain damage, or severe attacks or even deaths from diseases like pneumonia or gastro-enteritis and so on.” –Dr. Kalokerinos, M.D.

    “I’ve been practicing for 40 years, and in the past 10 years the children have been sicker than ever.”–Dr Doris J.Rapp, paediatric allergist.

    “Probably 20% of American children-one youngster in five— suffers from ‘development disability’. This is a stupefying figure..We have inflicted it on ourselves.. ‘development disabilities’ are nearly always generated by encephalitis. And the primary cause of encephalitis in the USA and other industrialised countries is the childhood vaccination program. To be specific, a large proportion of the millions of US children and adults suffering from autism, seizures, mental retardation, hyperactivity, dyslexia, and other shoots or branches of the hydraheaded entity called ‘development disabilities’, owe their disorders to one or another of the vaccines against childhood diseases.” –Harris Coulter, PhD

    In the April 15, 1998, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), an analysis of drug side effects found that toxic reactions to correctly prescribed medications make more than two million Americans seriously ill every year and kill 106,000, putting drug side effects among the top 10 causes of death in the United States. Among children, antibiotics and vaccines cause more adverse reactions than any other.

    Some doctors refuse to vaccinate their own children as well. According to Dr. Jerome Murphy, former head of PediatricNeurology at Milwaukee Children’s Hospital, “There is just overwhelming data that there’s an association [between the pertussis vaccine and seizures]. I know it has influenced many paediatric neurologists not to have their own children immunised with pertussis.”

    A review of 1600 cases of measles in Quebec, Canada, between January and May 1989 revealed that 58 per cent of school-age cases had been previously vaccinated. (MMWR, Measles – Quebec. 1989; 38: 329-330.)

    Since the widespread use of the mumps vaccine, the incidence of the disease has shifted to adolescents and adults who are much more susceptible to the complications of testicular and ovarian infection which can lead to sterility. During the period between 1967 and 1971 the annual average cases of mumps in persons greater or equal to 15 years of age was 8.3 percent; in 1987 this same age group accounted for 38.3 percent of cases, which is more than an eightfold increase. (MMWR, Mumps – United States, 1985-1988. 1989; 38: 101-105.)

    The HEW reported in 1970 that as much as 26 percent of children receiving rubella vaccination, in national testing programs, developed arthalgia or arthritis. Many had to seek medical attention and some were hospitalised to test for rheumatic fever and rheumatoid arthritis. (Science, US, March 26, 1977.)

    A case-control study has shown that 41 percent of meningitis occurred in children vaccinated against the disease. The vaccine’s protective efficacy was minus 58 percent. This means that children are much more likely to get the disease if they are vaccinated. (JAMA, 1988, Osterholm et al., 260: 1423-1428.)

    The USA Association of American Physicians and Surgeons said that children younger than 14 are three times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by Hepatitis ‘B’ vaccine than to catch the disease. They have called for an immediate moratorium on mandatory Hepatitis ‘B’ vaccine for school children pending further research about dangerous side effects.

    Vaccine Injury Compensation, Hearing Before the Subcommittee on Health and the Environment, 99th Congress, 2nd Session (July 25, 1986) p 214 “The vaccination lobby shamelessly takes all the children of this world as hostages to still their greed for money and power. They relentlessly abuse our compassion for the weaker and our concern about health to promote their giga-business. No matter what. No matter how many more vaccine victims will suffer death or side-effects. No matter how many financial resources this strategy devours at the expense of essential social investments like housing and employment. No matter what. Shocking! There is no excuse for this crime. Just as shocking is the observation that (health) policy is no longer under local, democratic control. Everything is set up and organised with scrutiny at the highest, international level by those who take profit from it: the pharmaceutical industry, the financial world, politicians.” –Kris Gaublomme, MD

  • Justthefacts

    You just blew past the undeniable facts of the numbers that show it can’t be a problem so that you didn’t have to think about it. You are just posting random crap and not listening to anything. It’s sad that your child has autism but it a tragedy that it has driven you insane.
    You are not listening so neither am I.

  • Sue

    Ha ha .. well you have given me a good laugh… Insane are you now diagnosis peoples mental states.. are you also an expert on that.. or just having a tantrum because I will not buy into your rubbish… I am a very sane well balance fare person.. but you will never have the privileged of meeting me so you can go on with diagnosis of insanity.. Hey maybe you your suggest some toxic medication from BIG Pharma I could take .. put soe more coins in their pockets eh.. How about it JUST THE FACTS lol.. if nothing else you have given me a good laugh….Bye fir now

  • Lou

    “About Poul Thorsen: As noted in the SafeMinds report submitted to Congress in 2012, Thorsen developed a strong relationship with his CDC colleagues while serving as a visiting scientist. Thorsen successfully promoted the idea of awarding research funds to Aarhus University in
    Denmark to study the relationship between autism and vaccines before returning to the university to lead the project. Keep in mind, the CDC was under immense pressure to respond to the public outcry to the autism epidemic and the link between thimerosal and autism, and vaccine injury and autism. SafeMinds was among those pointing out the inherent conflict of interest for CDC with monitoring the safety of vaccines while also promoting vaccines. Thorsen, from what is known about the case, played on the urgency of the situation. Without his findings, vaccine safety becomes highly suspect.”

    IMO this about a LOT more than a corrupt mind guy “stealing” a few million to help the CDC et al cover up for the deadly MMR and “vaccination” This SMELLS of FRAUD on the part of a LOT of people who deserve to be in prison or worse.

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/04/dr-poul-thorsen-principal-investigator-on-the-danish-autism-studies-still-on-most-wanted-list.html

  • Lou

    “WHO Urges Mass Measles Vaccinations in Ebola Regions”

    I guess they are finding it difficult or too expensive to spread the Ebola without “vaccination”; “vaccination” is IMO the only practicable way to get an Ebola outbreak going.

    “A pair of earlier articles by this writer examined the British and American roles in developing ebola into a biological weapon and its antidotes into commercial products. This third essay examines the strange coincidence of the earliest breakout in Guinea with three major vaccine campaigns conducted by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the UN children’s agency UNICEF. At least two of the vaccination programs were implemented by Medicins Sans Frontieres (MSF, or Doctors Without Borders), while some of those vaccines were produced by Sanofi Pasteur, a French pharmaceutical whose major shareholder is the Rothschild Group. This report uncovers the French connection to the African ebola pandemic. Human Guinea Pigs …” The Ebola Breakout Coincided With UN Vaccine Campaigns

    “Ebola is a genetically modified organism (GMO), [Horowitz] confirmed the existence of an American Military-Medical-Industry that conducts biological weapons tests under the guise of administering vaccinations to control diseases and improve the health of “black Africans overseas.” Doctor Cyril Broderick PhD, Professor of Plant Pathology

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_ebola.htm

  • So did any of the make-believe researchers or pretend immunologists at SafeMinds publish a paper contradicting KM Madsen et al (2002)? Did they submit their analysis of any errors in methodology to New England Journal of Medicine and challenge the paper?

    No.

    Instead they posted an article on the Interwebs, knowing their readers don’t have the scientific literacy of the average 6th grader, and can’t distinguish crackpot from credible source.

    Any possible connection between vaccines and autism has been exhaustively researched, even since KM Madsen et al. Unlike the work of savants like Wakefield and Hooker, subsequent research only confirms their findings.

    That’s reality, friend. As upsetting as it might be, you fell for a lie.

  • ciaparker2

    The reader, upon reading what I linked and then following up by googling, not only the fraudulent Madsen study, but also the fraudulent claims made by vaccine defenders regarding Dr. Wakefield’s and Brian Hooker’s excellent work, is free to arrive at his own conclusions, and also to place you in the category in which you belong.

  • suz norkan

    Gotta feel sorry for the unsophisticated and inferior, who have to NOSE into others business to try to validate their own lives. ;(

  • suz norkan

    And WHAT shall we call you, Mikey?

  • ciaparker2

    I love your comments, Cricket, someone just directed me to them, and they’re right on the mark and cleverly-expressed!

  • Justthefacts

    So you are still making nose jokes in the middle of a serious discussion.

    Poster Suz Norkin has two Disqus accounts and also posts as suznorkin,
    Licha Hericane, Evie Saleegents and “guest” so she can insult and troll under different names. That is all she does.

  • Justthefacts

    Here is another article, more resent, that confirms it:
    .
    “Recurrence of autism spectrum disorders in full- and half-siblings and trends over time: a population-based cohort study.”
    .
    In 2006 the autism rate was one in 48 which put them on par with the U.S. and they have not used thimerosal since 1993. Fact.
    .
    How many children have to suffer before you let science get on with finding the real cause?

  • suz norkan

    I’ll continue as I wish until she apologizes for calling ione a ‘freakish narcissist’ and of course LYING about me being a troll, along with ceasing her arrogant insults to others.

    Oh, but you don’t NOTICE that of her and Pro, ’cause you all beweeve in the same vaxie faxies. What a bunch of children!

    Justafact is a Beakie Dunne and parrot Pro patsy, and a LYING, thread thwarting and harassing STALKER.

    Back to topic, nothing to see here, and my comments remain appropriate and justified, Justapatsy!

  • Justthefacts

    Wow! still on with Hooker! A documented fraud.
    You do know you can read his paper and look at the data and see the fraud in the paper, right? Its the same data collected ten years ago and he didn’t even change it. There is actually no disagreement with the data so there is nothing hidden. Hooker took data and made false claims about it. That’s why the paper was pulled. it was easy to see.
    Have you read his paper? the data? or are you just repeating posts from the Age of Autism website?
    Wakefield is hiding out in Texas after having his license pulled and you point him as a high ethical standard? You sure do know how to lose an argument and an audience quickly, don’t you.

  • Justthefacts

    I don’t think anything “smells” of bias more that a website named “age of autism”. I think we can safely assume they have an agenda. It rather clear and does not require innuendo to see (or smell).

  • ciaparker2

    There is a genetic propensity to react to vaccines, and siblings often share these genes.
    Mercury has often caused autism, but it is not the only factor involved. Any vaccine can cause vaccine encephalitis, and that can cause autism even in the absence of mercury, as when the MMR causes autism, as well as other live vaccines.

  • Justthefacts

    That quote is from the book “A Users Guide To Understanding Fallacy, Fraud, & Failure” which presented on backup data and only the name of Paul King. This paper by King is ” told by Cherry Bethel Misra, a New Delhi nursery-school principal and reported by Paul G. King, PhD”. It is a list of declarations with no backup to be used in a court case.
    It’s about as far from evidence as you can get.

  • Justthefacts

    Well, blogs and stories are opinions. Studies and papers are peer reviewed evidence. So of us are not emotional and faith bases as you. Some of us require evidence before making claims. It’s called science.

  • Justthefacts

    Lou, you never responded to my question about Merck? If they are so evil, why are they accidentally doing the right thing? Please explain the conspiracy.

  • Justthefacts

    I did. 145,700 people die each year from measles.

    Let’s see the last major outbreak of the measles was in the US from 1989 through 1991:

    *More than 55,000 cases of measles
    *About 11,000 were hospitalized
    *About 3,500 developed pneumonia
    *Deaths were reported to be at least 189, and were estimated to be 259 because of incomplete reporting.
    *More than 80% of the cases occurred in unvaccinated individuals.
    *About 90% of the deaths were unvaccinated individuals.
    *About 80% of the deaths were due to pneumonia and the rest were due to encephalitis.
    *100% of the 37 babies under 1 year old who died were too young to be vaccinated.
    *More than 91% of the 65 children aged 1 to 4 years old who died were unvaccinated.

  • Justthefacts

    one more time

    Let’s see how the last major outbreak of the measles was in the US from 1989 through 1991:

    *More than 55,000 cases of measles
    *About 11,000 were hospitalized
    *About 3,500 developed pneumonia
    *Deaths were reported to be at least 189, and were estimated to be 259 because of incomplete reporting.
    *More than 80% of the cases occurred in unvaccinated individuals.
    *About 90% of the deaths were unvaccinated individuals.
    *About 80% of the deaths were due to pneumonia and the rest were due to encephalitis.
    *100% of the 37 babies under 1 year old who died were too young to be vaccinated.
    *More than 91% of the 65 children aged 1 to 4 years old who died were unvaccinated.

  • Justthefacts

    Thompson was found to be a fraud:
    http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp
    .
    Thompson admits its a fraud and comes out provaxx.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/now-retracted-autism-study-viral/story?id=25248179
    .
    The Hooker paper with the Thompson data is pulled.
    http://www.translationalneurodegeneration.com/content/3/1/22
    .

  • Kathy

    Readers should note that the above statements by cia have basis in fact whatsoever. She cites no evidence to those claims because she is making it all up.

  • Justthefacts

    You only made one post in this thread and it was a nose insult. You have nor been on topic and never are.

  • suz norkan

    Beg to differ, Justaflunk. My comment was to Beakie nosing into Paul’s? history, along with Mikey replying that maybe ‘said individual’ should now be called Denise.

    You’re a real hypocritical piece of work, Justaflunkie. If I’m off topic, certainly Beakie and Mikey were beforehand!

    Fail! My comments are appropriate and justified, Justaflunk!

  • Well, this is Vactwoof, so …

  • ciaparker2

    The reader must judge for himself, and should certainly research both sides of the issue carefully before permitting that any vaccine be given to herself or her child. I certainly urge him as well to read these discussions carefully, and decide whose evidence and character are more accurate and credible, because his and his child’s life, health, and mind are on the line, and he will never be able to take back a vaccine once given. If the reader trusts you and Brooke more (sorry, I’m starting to laugh!) than he does me, so be it.

  • ciaparker2

    So, please, I certainly urge you, Brooke, Kathy, and Justthefacts to go right in and get every single last vaccine you can persuade the vaccine lackeys to stick you with.

  • Jack Sprat

    And this contributes in the same manner.

  • Jack Sprat

    Certainly you are referring to the author of this putrid article. Many assumptions are made by him.

  • Jack Sprat

    …and everybody dials it back.

  • Jack Sprat

    Such arrogance Mr Aufderheide. Perhaps you can re-write this referencing her demographic with Canadian specific information. Try the NBL instead of the CDC, rather than VAERS, PHAC Bringing her father into it, not only irrelevant but unconscionable. The tactics of a bully.
    With your self constructed pulpit, comes responsibility that requires exercise.

  • Jack Sprat

    Googling? Not a research resource by any measure.

  • Jack Sprat

    Youtube video is now considered “well hidden.” Sonofabit*h, whodathunk?

  • Jack Sprat

    Nope. Most Doctors (ask your gp) will admit they are not quailfied to perform this type of research. By the same token I will not have friends that are Doctors, specifically in-virologists and geneticists, perform my annually required medical. Different fields all together.

  • suz norkan

    Nope!

  • Proponent

    As opposed to the risk of the vaccine preventable diseases and infections?

    Of course.

  • ciaparker2

    At least as good as the Gutenberg Bible, to which it has been compared.

  • Jack Sprat

    I really don’t see a similarity. Perhaps I’m to tired to pick up on the innuendo. There actually is a benefit to Google however.

  • Jack Sprat

    Oh my

  • Kathy

    I hope the reader does not trust me but my sources. You are not a scientist so trusting you is moot. It’s your sources that must be trusted, or not.

  • Jack Sprat

    Click. Book of stories

  • suz norkan

    Lions and tigers and bears!

  • suz norkan

    No room for jello tonight, Jack Sprat! I just lost one of my rehab babies an hour ago. I don’t take death well, and am sick of the hate mongering of the childish!

    Tonight, I don’t care which way it’s dialed!

  • VikingRN

    Nonsense…….

    The hooked paper has been withdrawn. Dr hooker. Manipulated statistical analysis to the point of meaningless.

    “Figures don’t lie but Liars can figure.”

    dataset unless he has an ax to grind and disagrees with the results of the original analysis so strongly that he is willing to go through the trouble of getting institutional review board (IRB) approval, as Hooker did from Simpson University, going to the CDC to get this dataset, and then analyzing it. Think, for instance, the infamous “reanalysis” by homeopaths of the meta-analysis of Shang et al that concluded that the effects of homeopathy are placebo effects. The reanalysis did not refute the original meta-analysis. The second thing you have to remember is that it’s pretty uncommon for such a “reanalysis” to refute the original analysis. Certainly, antivaccine “researchers” like Hooker try to do this all the time. Occasionally they get their results published in a bottom-feeding peer-reviewed journal (Translational Neurodegeneration doesn’t even appear to have an impact factor yet), as Hooker has. It means little.

    So what about the paper itself? First, one has to go back toDestefano et al 2004. Basically, this was a case-control study in which 624 case children were identified from multiple sources and matched to 1,824 control children on age, gender, and school. In case control studies, researchers look at (usually) two groups of people, cases (those with the condition under study) and controls (those without) and tries to match them as closely as possible to every other confounding factor except for the risk factor being studied, in this case, the age of receiving first MMR vaccination. Porta’s Dictionary of Epidemiology defines the case-control study as: “an observational epidemiological study of persons with the disease (or another outcome variable) of interest and a suitable control group of persons without the disease (comparison group, reference group). The potential relationship of a suspected risk factor or an attribute to the disease is examined by comparing the diseased and nondiseased subjects with regard to how frequently the factor or attribute is present (or, if quantitative, the levels of the attribute) in each of the groups (diseased and nondiseased).” They then see if that risk factor is higher in the case population than it is in the control population. This is in comparison to cohort studies, in which researchers look at groups of people who vary in exposure to a given putative risk factor (for instance, vaccines), each controlled for every other potential risk factor that the authors can control for, and then determine if the condition for which that putative risk factor is suspected to be a risk factor for. A cohort study can be retrospective (looking at existing data) or prospective (the cohorts determined in advance and then followed over time), while case control studies are retrospective.

    It’s also not uncommon for epidemiologists to choose more controls than cases in case-control studies. In any case, one thing Destefano et al did was to perform a case control study of children in metropolitan Atlanta looking at age at first MMR vaccination (0-11 months; 12-17 months; 18-23 months; 24-29 months; 30-35 months; and 36+ months). They found no statistically significant correlations. They also looked at a subgroup of the groups, children for whom a Georgia birth certificate could be located, in order to test correlations for other traits:

    We matched 355 (56%) case and 1020 (56%) control children to Georgia state birth certificate records, which allowed us to obtain additional information, such as each child’s birth weight and gestational age and the mother’s parity, age, race, and education.

    There was no significant correlation noted in various groups based on race, maternal age, maternal education, and birth weight. It’s all pretty straightforward, at least a straightforward as a epidemiological study can be. The only hint of a whiff of anything in it helpful to antivaccinationists was this:

    Vaccination before 36 months was more common among case children than control children, especially among children 3 to 5 years of age, likely reflecting immunization requirements for enrollment in early intervention programs.

    In other words, it’s a result that is likely not due to an actual effect.

    Fast forward to Brian Hooker’s study. The first thing I noticed reading it was that it contains a lot of the usual red flags of antivaccine papers. Hooker cites several Mark Geier papers as evidence of a correlation between vaccines and autism, to try to make it seem as though there is an actual scientific controversy. He even cites a Wakefield paper.

    Then there is the methods section. It’s really not very clear exactly what Hooker did with this dataset, other than muck around with it using SAS® software. He keeps referring to “cohorts,” which made me wonder right away whether he was not doing the same sort of analysis as Destefano. Instead of doing a case control study, it looks as though he did a cohort study:

    here’s an old saying in epidemiology (and in science in general) that says that if you torture data enough, eventually they will confess. With this in mind, it’s hard not to think of Brian Hooker as the Spanish Inquisition. I find it very telling that Hooker couldn’t find (or didn’t bother to look for) coauthor who is an actual epidemiologist or statistician. Heck, Jake Crosby wasn’t available? He might not be an epidemiologist, but he does have a degree in epidemiology and is in graduate school. What training in epidemiology or statistics does Brian Hooker have that qualifies him to do a retrospective cohort study like this? None that I can see. My first rule of thumb doing anything involving anything more complicated than the rudimentary statistics that I use to analyze laboratory experiments (such as even a “simple” clinical trial) is to find a statistician. While it’s true that Hooker used to lead a high throughput biology team, which likely required some statistical expertise, that’s a different sort of statistics and experimental design than epidemiology. Basically, if you’re going to do epidemiology, you should find an epidemiologist to collaborate with, and if you’re going to do something that requires some heavy statistical lifting you really need to get a statistician on board as well before you start the study.

    So is Hooker’s result valid? Was there really a 3.36-fold increased risk for autism in African-American males who received MMR vaccination before the age of 36 months in this dataset? Who knows? Hooker analyzed a dataset collected to be analyzed by a case-control method using a cohort design. Then he did multiple subset analyses, which, of course, are prone to false positives. As we also say, if you slice and dice the evidence more and more finely, eventually you will find apparent correlations that might or might not be real. In this case, I doubt Hooker’s correlation is real. More importantly, even if his statistics were correctly done, his changing the design is highly suspect, particularly when coupled with claims beingpromulgated by our good buddy Jake Crosby that the CDC intentionally left out subjects in order to hide this correlation:

    According to Dr. Hooker, the CDC whistleblower informant — who wishes to remain anonymous — guided him to evidence that a statistically significant relationship between the age the MMR vaccine was first given and autism incidence in African-American boys was hidden by CDC researchers. After data were gathered on 2,583 children living in Atlanta, Georgia who were born between 1986 and 1993, CDC researchers excluded children that did not have a valid State of Georgia birth certificate — reducing the sample size being studied by 41%. Hooker explains that by introducing this arbitrary criteria into the analysis, the cohort size was sharply reduced, eliminating the statistical power of the findings and negating the strong MMR-autism link in African American boys.

    This is an accusation neither Hooker’s study nor anything any antivaccinationist has published thus far provides any tangible evidence for. Requiring the birth certificate was not an “arbitrary” criterion, either. It allowed investigators to account for known confounders related to autism risk, such as birth weight, at least in this subset of the case and control groups. I also can’t help but think there is likely to be a confounder that is unaccounted for in this study, particularly given how there increase in risk is found in only one group. In fact, as Reuben at The Poxes Blogexplains, there almost certainly was just such a confounder:

    Next come the statistics. Hooker uses Pearson’s chi squared test to see if there is a significant association between MMR and autism in children at different ages. DeStefano et al used conditional logistic regression. For the non-biostatisticians out there, the technique that DeStefano et al used accounts for confounders and effect modifiers, different traits in their population that could skew the results. Hooker’s technique doesn’t really do that, unless you stratify results and use very, very large datasets. Hooker’s approach is more “conservative,” meaning that it will detect small effects and amplify them, and those effects can come from anything.

    In other words, Hooker used a method prone to false positives. Then:

    The nail in the coffin for the Hooker paper is that autism is usually diagnosed by the time a child is three years old. There was no increased risk at 18 months, higher but not by a whole lot at 24, and then the three-fold increase at 36 months. Gee, was it the MMR vaccine, mister? No, the effect is being modified by age. It’s as if I asked you if your shoe size was bigger at 36 months because you drank milk vs because you were 36 months. It’s age. It’s the way that autism is diagnosed. You’re going to have more children diagnosed as autistic at 36 months than you will at 18 months or at 24 months. Using the chi square test doesn’t tease this out, Dr. Hooker! That’s more than likely why DeStefano et al used conditional logistic regression, to take age into account in the analysis.

    So why did we not see this in the other ethnic groups or in girls? The answer here is simple, again. Hooker had a limited dataset to work with when he boiled it down to African-American baby boys. In this table, for example, he tells us that he had to modify the analysis to 31 months instead of 36 because he had less than 5 children in that group. It’s the same goddamned mistake that Andrew Jeremy Wakefield wanted to pass off as legitimate science. You cannot, and must not use small numbers to make big assertions…

    Quite right. I should have seen that right off the bat.

    And, of course, there’s no biologically plausible reason why there would be an effect observed in African-Americans but no other race and, more specifically than that, in African-American males. In the discussion, Hooker does a bunch of handwaving about lower vitamin D levels and the like in African American boys, but there really isn’t a biologically plausible mechanism to account for his observation, suggesting that it’s probably spurious. Finally, even if Destefano et al is thrown out, it’s just one study. There are multiple other studies, many much larger than this one, that failed to find a correlation between MMR and autism. Even if Hooker succeeded in “knocking out” Destefano et al, it doesn’t invalidate all that other evidence.

    Hooker’s “reanalysis” aside, somehow, some way, a senior CDC scientist has made the massive mistake of speaking with Brian Hooker. That CDC scientist is William Thompson, well-respected (until, possibly, now) scientist and co-author of Destefano et al, as well as first author on a widely cited NEJM study showing no correlation between thimerosal in vaccines and neurode

    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/08/22/brian-hooker-proves-andrew-wakefield-wrong-about-vaccines-and-autism/

  • Sue

    Oh Just the facts.. give me a break.. is this your new tactic.. NOW PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE EMOTIONAL AND
    FAITH BASED…. and people like you are believing B IG Pharma without question….You are suggested I am INSANE and to me that says it all about you.. people do not listen to you suggest there is something wrong with them.. Just Like BIG Pharma and their partners when a doctor states how dangerous vaccines are .. and discusses vaccine damaged children.. they are quacks.. You just cannot handle anyone disagreeing with you……

    This may be interesting to you as you seem to feel you can suggest or diagnose people

    According to psychologists, people with an unwarranted sense of accomplishment often present as arrogant, elitist snobs, and are known to hurl insults at anyone who threatens their fragile self-esteem and what they say to be their truth……Just a thought JUSTFORFSACTS..maybe handy to look in the
    mirror.. Just saying……

  • VikingRN

    I just searched pubmed. Children who have en vaccinated against hib have a much lower rate of otitis media…

    I don’t make a nickel from the pharmaceutical companies.. As an advanced practice nurse I am obligated to provide evidence based education. There is no question vaccinated individuals are much less likely To contract infectious diseases.

  • Sue

    Surely not this bull again..Don’t you get it.. you are willing to keep talking utter crap and not seeing what vaccines are doing to children.. to our future generations.. Mother Nature and our bodies are designed not to take all these toxic vaccines.. tell me if you are so knowledgeable.. what is the ingredients in the vaccines.. and then tell me if these ingredients are dangerous to our babies and children.. why is the warning on them.. why do they not give different amounts or consideration to weight.. health and bhistory of the chid and the family.. etc.. why oh why oh why..would you let your children drink this toxic cocktail but you let them put it into their tiny bloodstreams.. It seems to me it is like your god.. you will believe no matter what is happening to our children out there.. so you are really saying no matter how unhealthy our babies become vaccinate…vaccinate…vaccinate… NO MATTER THE CONSEQUENCES….You are a sad person…

  • ciaparker2

    That was one of the selling points of the HIb vaccine, although that only applies to the minority of ear infections caused by the hemophilus bacteria. Breast feeding prevents ear infections in a much less dangerous way. Now read Heather Fraser’s book The Peanut Allergy Epidemic, and learn how the Hib vaccine has caused the modern world-wide epidemic of peanut allergy, in American children now at a rate of one in fifty, up from zero sixty years ago (peanut oil in some injected drugs before the HIb vaccine started in 1988 caused some, but it didn’t take off until the introduction of the HIb vaccine). Many children die of peanut allergy, and they would not have died had they not gotten the Hib vaccine. And exposure to contagious diseases is the only way for a child to develop immune maturity, and an immune system effectively trained for a lifetime of service.

  • Jack Sprat

    Sorry to hear that. Sleep well.

  • Jack Sprat

    “Says the vaccine company spokesman” What would make you say this? Do you think she is, do you feel she is? Have you read another post that suggests that she works for a “vaccine company,” is it documented or do you just know it?

    This is consistent with many acrimonious arguments here. There is no evidence to support your statement.

    Argumentum ad ignorantiam

  • suz norkan

    Thank you for your compassion and consolation, Jack Sprat! <3

  • Justthefacts

    Yes, emotional and faith based. I did get that message from your 11 capitalized words.
    I don’t mind other opinions but I don’t want to disprove another one of your points just to have you ignore it and set off on another unrelated rant.

  • Justthefacts

    I know you will never reply on topic. I’m posting for people how want to read on topic. Continue with your unsupported rant.

  • Sue

    There is Censorship.. of modern scientist. We
    do not know the harm we are doing… we are the lab rats.. Oppression of scientist is ghastly. Oppression of information is sordid.. Shutting down anyone who disagrees. This is long term experiment.. people have more tumors now that 20 years ago at younger and younger ages..

    Intimidation censorship.. Shutting down anyone
    who asks questions..

    Character assassination of doctors and information is criminal….

    Character assassination is an attempt to
    tarnish a person’s reputation. It may involve exaggeration, misleading half-truths, or manipulation of facts to present an untrue picture of the targeted person. It is a form of defamation and can be a form of ad hominem argument….

    Unrelated tangent.. get over yourself…. you need to understand that our babies are getting sicker our children are getting sicker our people are getting sicker.. this is 2015 and look at the health of the people….

  • Sue

    As above in the information on this site….about his ridiculous woman Jennifer Hibben-White’s Rant… calling the kettle black Justthefacts.. Yeh right…. Unsupported.. Mmm your information is a bunch of RUBBISH..RUBBISH..RUBBISH and manipulation of the truth.. and you know it….

    From above…. Don’t come on the site if you are so against it……..
    So, let me get this straight, you want me and all the other people who have read this insert to go ahead and risk the health of our children for the sake of your son getting measles? That is the most selfish thing I have ever heard! Your logic makes no sense. I’m sure your claim will be that those reactions are very rare. The fact is they are NOT rare. Our government (tax payers) has paid out billions of dollars to vaccine injured people. Why? Because the pharmaceutical companies are no longer held accountable for vaccine injuries. They can now make all the vaccines they want, add them to the CDC recommended schedule, and there is not a thing you can do about it if you are harmed!

  • Justthefacts

    If there is a conspiracy, please explain this to me:
    .
    I have a thought experiment for you. No facts or links, just an idea and I want your worse criticism of it. I’ve always had a problem with this idea that big pharma is bad and evil for one reason; They are not doing a good job of being bad and evil. Here is my scenario:
    .
    You are Bad Merck Executive (BME) and the year is 2001. You will make millions and get a lifetime membership to the illuminati if you can boost the profits from the MMR vaccine. You can be evil but not obvious. To start with, there are two things two your advantage:
    1. You have a monopoly as all other manufacturers have walked away from the MMR.
    2. You have no liability on the vaccines as to damage it may cause (vaccine court, etc.)
    .
    There are two ways to make more money and they are to lower your costs or increase the price. Lowering the costs is difficult and conventional and the benefit is probably small. The real opportunity is to raise the price. The government has some cost controls in place so it’s nearly impossible to raise the price of the current product. The best way to make more money is to make a new product that costs more. Now the two problems with that is the current product sells and developing a new product costs money. We need to get rid of the old MMR and get somebody else to pay for the new product.
    .
    BME has the perfect Idea! What He will do is get with the scientist and government cabal and we will all agree that the current MMR causes autism. If we do that, the autism victims will be paid by the government, not Merck. BME will go to the government and ask for 100 of millions of dollars to develop a new vaccine because they are not going to quit the vaccine. Now you can raise costs and you win making money on the new product AND the development. On top of that, all of the autism victims will love you for admitting the problem.
    .
    So this is my problem. If Big Pharma is so bad, why are they doing such a bad job and making so many autism enemies when it is IN THEIR INTEREST to declare the current drug as bad? Why is the conspiracy doing such a poor job?
    .
    Got any ideas?

  • Justthefacts

    If you have a problem with the insert, point out the item and tell me why. Keep it simple

  • ciaparker2

    Jack,
    It would not be unethical to do a vax/unvax study to compare outcomes between the vaxed and the unvaxed. But this is the pharma line, started by Dr. Profit, to try to pretend that there are good reasons not to do one. Mike tries to say that it would be necessary to have a million vaxed and a million unvaxed to get a reliable conclusion. That’s not true. A lot of those in pharma employ say that it would not be correct to appear to countenance parents not vaxing their children and depriving them of “valuable disease protection.” But the fact is that there are at least tens of thousands of completely unvaxed children who will never be vaxed regardless, whose parents would be proud to have them take part in such a study. Some of those in pharma employ say that it wouldn’t be according to standard protocol if the groups of vaxed vs. unvaxed were not randomly chosen, so that not even the parents knew in which group their child fell. Dr. Bob Sears says that is not the case, that the only group that would need to be blinded would be the doctors who examined the children, who would say A has asthma. B has autism. Without knowing whether or not they had been vaxed. This is elementary common sense. Hundreds of thousands of children are being grievously damaged by vaccines, yet the vaccine companies pretend that they could not EVER compare the health of a group of vaxed kids compared to the health of completely unvaxed ones. Because they know, we know, everyone knows that the unvaxed group is healthier. They just don’t want it to be recognized publicly, because then the roof will fall in on them.
    I think you’re British, I think your children were born long before the vaccine and autism epidemics, and I think you have been on the margins of the vaccine debacle, since it’s only been in the last fifteen years that it’s taken off. I don’t think you understand the evil that is involved here. No reasonable, innocent person would say it would be unethical to compare the health of vaxed vs. unvaxed children. Most would say they thought that such a study would have been done long ago, and are astonished to find out that not only has it never been done, but that the pharma racket has no intention of ever allowing one to be done. Why would they? It will only mean their ruin.

  • Sue

    Firstly you say conspiracy doing such a poor job.. that really says it all because as soon as someone is negative against the BIG Pharma belief they chuck the conspiracy theory at anyone who does not agree.. and as I said..Oppression of information is rife.. Shutting
    down anyone who disagrees. Intimidation censorship.. Shutting down anyone who asks questions..

    Every Doctor or medical professional who disagrees is a quack..You just have to look at the response to Jennifer Hibben-White’s Rant About Unvaccinated Children.. to see the scare mongering she caused with her lies.. and lets face it .. BIG Pharma divides and concurs…they have the money to fight and call people who question quacks .. and state as you did .. attacks stating conspiracy theory’s..

    Parents just want the freedom to choose what goes in their children bodies.. and I will ask you again.. would you put into your babies bottles the toxic chemicals that you allow in their blood streams.. think not…..These vaccines have warnings on them.. yet they are allowed into your children.. and if they are so so safe. why is there a separate court to fight this in the States..

    Parents do not have the millions of $$$’s it takes to fight.. but BIG Pharma certainly has the money to fight..and create propaganda..

    If this does not stop now we have maybe one generation to stop this and then there will be no turning back.. The majority of peoples DNA will be changed forever…

  • Sue

    There is nothing simple about toxic vaccines and I reply how I reply and you do the same.. I am not here to be questioned by you and answer how you want.. So take it or leave it..

  • ciaparker2

    Jack, I think you’re a decent man. Look at what this person obviously in pharma employ said to me this evening. She’s been assigned to scare me away from posting. Do you approve of these tactics?

    “With all due respect, I’m not the one with “vaccine-awareness advocate” in my bio. Is that a paid position?

    SR put together a pretty good list of the studies that have been done. I could just as easily cut-and-paste it to G+ if you’d prefer.

    It is interesting you should bring up the Madsen 2002 study. If that is fraudulent, as you claim, why wasn’t it retracted? Or even challenged?

    On a related note, “Stupid Things ciaparker Writes,” I’m also wondering if you’re still holding on to that idiotic notion that Hannah Poling’s mitochondrial disorder was caused by vaccines?

    One friend to another, I’m kind of worried for you. It’s not really normal for someone to continue to vomit stupid all over the Internet like you do, day after day, when anyone reading your cr@p can only conclude you’re an uninformed, uneducated loon. Unless that’s what you’re paid to do.”

  • Justthefacts

    You didn’t answer the question. I submitted to your proposal that the conspiracy was true. You don’t have to repeat yourself. I asked you to explain why the conspiracy was doing so poor a job. Either answer the question or surrender.

  • Justthefacts

    You can’t identify an particular problem because you don’t have your own opinion. You just post crap you read. I accept your surrender.

  • Sue

    What planet are you on Justthefacts

    Your question why the conspiracy was doing so poor a job? Did you not read what I said… that is my answer ..
    Firstly you say conspiracy doing such a poor job.. that really says it all because as soon as someone is negative against the BIG Pharma belief they chuck the conspiracy theory at anyone who does not agree.. and as I said..Oppression of information is rife.. Shutting
    down anyone who disagrees. Intimidation censorship.. Shutting down anyone who asks questions..

    That is why and everything else on my last post.. read and stop suggesting this is a competition…You say surrender.as that what you want babies and children to do surrender to toxic chemicals.. . Who the hell talks such rubbish surrender…..if this was not so stupid it would be funny..

  • Sue

    Is that what you expect people around you to do surrender.. you are a immature individual.. and this is who we should believe people like you.. OMG Lol

  • Justthefacts

    You didn’t answer anything and you didn’t read my post. You don’t care what anyone says even when they try to agree with you. If it’s not a contest to you, then why do you ignore discussion and just post rants if you are not “trying to win”.
    This is the last response from me until you actually interact.

  • Justthefacts

    You…can’t…name…one…ingredient….in….a….vaccine.
    Am I talking slow enough for you to understand?
    Go read a book and then come back.

  • Sue

    OMG you sound like a spoilt child..who is not getting his own way……..There is no winning when so many of our children are being fed toxic chemicals and you know it.. I care about future generation and I think that you have your head in the sand.. will I miss your replies to my Posts NOT Bysie bye

  • Sue

    So you are suggesting that people who can name what is in chemicals.. knows all about them and people who cannot have no rights or know nothing..This is BIG Pharma mentality.. you sure are one of them are you not??.. I thought you were not answering anymore of my post.. little tanti man

  • Justthefacts

    We won’t even notice you are gone.

  • Justthefacts

    No….I….am ….saying…. that….you…don’t…..know…what…….you……fear.
    You have no idea what you are saying or talking about. You don’t even have a clear idea of what the problem might be. You just run on absolutely blind fear.

  • Proponent

    I think you might have forgotten a post/comment you made just the other day..

    ciaparker2: “Now it’s your comment which has amused me no end and made me laugh! Doctors are creepy, have you seen Handley’s article about their g – d complex?”

    Context..

    In response to an off topic post (with respect to the original article and ongoing discussion at the time) about some psychiatrists/psychologists that had charges brought against them for less than conscionable actions and behaviours (I am not going to make mention of the exact crimes here).

  • Sue

    Hey you said you would not post back to me.. so where am I going.. MR WE……And quite honestly do you think I would be concerned with you not missing me.. I can see you are very argumentative person just look at your posts to ciaparker2.. Your game is to belittle and talk Rubish Rubish Rubish… Bysie bye

  • Sue

    Oh dear Oh dear Oh dear .. Is Justthefacts having another Tanti….. For someone who won’t miss me and is not going to post back to me you are posting a lot to me.. LOl.. You just can not be wrong can you..Now stop stamping your feet and Justthefacts get over yourself…..

  • Sue

    Government Admits Big Pharma Poses Greater Danger To Teens Than Guns

    Well file this one into the things that aren’t surprising category. A new study is showing that Big Pharma’s vast line of revenue driving pills are more problematic and dangerous to our teens than guns are. Why would anyone be surprised here?

    (ANTIMEDIA) A new study has shown that pharmaceutical drugs cause more overdoses and more deaths than all of the illegal drugs on the market combined. According to the government’s own statistics, listed on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website, deaths relating to pharmaceutical drugs rose to roughly 23,000 last year, which accounts for over half of the total overdose deaths in the country for that time period.

    The study concluded that, “Teens need help before they reach these tipping points for prescription drug abuse. Adults spotting teens with very high levels of anxiety and at least moderate use of other restricted substances should realize that these are students with a high likelihood of prescription abuse. Male teens with a high need to be popular and teens in general appear to be at exceptional risk. Campaigns must target parents as well, since they clearly underestimate both the physical risks of prescription drugs and the likelihood that their children will abuse these drugs.”

    Big Pharma is literally fleecing our health on the daily, all while driving legislation that suits their profits. The more we make others aware of the situation the more we can do something about it. People are being led like sheep into the land of pills and ointments, most of which just aren’t necessary to their lives. Yet we have a society that virtually ignores it. Imagine if we raised as much concern over Big Pharma as we do over guns? We’d be a much different society, wouldn’t we?

  • Jack Sprat

    I appreciate you taking the time to reply Cia however present facts that support your claim VikingRN is in any manner representing an opinion but their own.

  • Jack Sprat

    Think about the supposition Cia. The “Ethics” of a blind study between vaccinated and unvaccinated is on par with Russian roulette, in my opinion.
    Dr. Profit? If this is vernacular for Dr. Paul Offit you have diminished your credibility, without regard for your personal opinion of Dr. Offit.
    You are passionate about your position, and passion is a wondrous thing, would that more had it.
    Passion however can also be blinding. Re-read, parse every statement you have made above. Establish that which is fact supported by information obtained through sound scientific methodology. Remove yourself from the white noise of American centric volatility, what is the experience, or what knowledge does the data provide elsewhere in the world.
    I am not British, thank you, rather Canadian. I have been vaccinated, as recently as three weeks ago. Zostavax. In the fall for Flu, and last year Twinrix. All by choice. Given our penchant and requirement for travel, interactions with people and animals it makes sense. I have no affiliation with any pharmacological manufacturer or distributor.

  • Cricket

    Well said, Sue.