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You Won’t Believe Which Retailer is Using Your Donations to Fund Vaccines

A popular department store chain encourages its customers into believing “Kohl’s Cares” with its namesake program designed to help children. However, these fundraising efforts seem to be aimed at vaccinating children across the United States.

Since its inception, Kohl’s Cares has raised $257 million with its popular merchandising campaign, which uses stuffed animals, books, and other children’s items to raise money in the name of charity. Kohl’s operates almost 1200 stores in 49 states. [1]

Sadly, much of this money has been used to fund vaccines.

Fundraising For Pharmaceuticals

Some hospitals have received more than a million dollars in funding from this Kohl’s program.

A Kohl’s-funded program in Arkansas directed at parents of young children “consists of billboards, print ads and radio ads targeting 13 Arkansas counties with the lowest immunizations rates” for preschoolers. [2]

In San Antonio, a Kohl’s partnership with the Children’s Hospital funds mobile vaccination clinics. The location? Kohl’s parking lots. [3]

According to a website devoted to increasing vaccination rates in Maine, “extensive research shows many Maine parents are concerned about vaccine safety and necessity.” The VaxMaine program includes a component called Kohl’s Vax Kids, funded through Kohl’s Cares, which aims to pressure parents who are delaying vaccines to adhere to “the recommended childhood vaccination schedule.” [4]

A Kohl’s Cares partnership with Children’s Hospital in Minnesota, in which Kohl’s donated over $5.4 million, also funded “educational” school assemblies, in addition to vaccine clinics. [5]

Kohl’s High-Ranking Executive Has Ties To Big Pharma

Perhaps parents will find this next piece of information even more enlightening. A high-ranking Kohl’s executive is on the board of directors for Cigna, a global pharmaceutical company.

Michelle Gass has been in top management positions at Kohl’s since 2013, currently serving as Chief Merchandising and Customer Officer and previously holding the Chief Customer Officer position. Prior to joining the executive ranks at Kohl’s, she served in top positions at Proctor and Gamble, where she spent time in the pharmaceutical division. [6]

With her strong influence in the merchandising division at Kohl’s, and her strong ties to at least two companies who provide vaccines, is Ms. Gass a textbook example of a conflict of interest?

In Reality, “Safe” Vaccines Are Very Dangerous

One press release for a Kohl’s Cares initiative in Minnesota stated that 128 people died in the US from the flu during a recent “severe” season. Children’s Hospital, a highly respected institution, kicked off vaccination season with a root beer float party and a carnival, thanks to a $300,000 donation from Kohl’s Cares. Children’s Hospital received funding from Kohl’s in a previous year to provide 7,500 vaccinations.

A news network reporting on the vaccination fundraising party stated it was “a lot of fun.”

In stark contrast, families who have been affected by an adverse reaction from a vaccine know that the lifelong struggles are not fun at all. This celebration of vaccines minimizes the devastation of vaccine injuries.

Tens of thousands of vaccine injuries are reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) every year, a government database which receives less than ten percent of reports of vaccine-related problems.  Through an arduous process that few families are willing or able to endure, $3.1 billion has been awarded to vaccine injury victims or their survivors since the compensation program was created in 1986. [7] [8]

Recently, after vaccine injury compensation awards sharply increased, data about vaccine injury compensation went missing from a government website. It was replaced with “language stating vaccines are safe and effective.”

On a website promoting the Kohl’s Cares campaign at a women’s and children’s hospital in New York, parents are reassured that “vaccines are proven to be safe” and “every vaccine has been studied in thousands of children before it is recommended for use.”

However, one flu vaccine package insert, which lists ingredients and adverse reactions, explicitly states “safety and effectiveness of FLUARIX QUADRIVALENT in children younger than 3 years have not been established,” even though the flu vaccine is routinely recommended as “safe” for children ages six months and older. [9]

Parents are then directed to research “accurate” vaccine information by directing them to a list of websites, some of which receive funding from pharmaceutical companies, including one organization which currently receives funding from six pharmaceutical companies. [10]

On the Vax Maine website, a group of doctors, nurses, and policy makers encourages parents to make “a good decision for the greater good.” [11]

If Kohl’s really cares, why wouldn’t they donate their proceeds to measures that do not cause seizures, neurological damage, symptoms of autism, and even death, all of which are documented risks and effects of vaccines? Do they donate any money to families whose children become vaccine-injured after receiving their “free” vaccine?

Conclusion

Before you choose to support popular fundraising efforts, we encourage you to investigate where your money is going and what it is being used for. Most of the time, this basic research only takes a few minutes.

Before you choose to vaccinate your child, research the ingredients in the vaccines as well as the risks.

Finding reliable information about vaccines may seem daunting to some parents, but we’ve made this important task easy for you. We’ve compiled a website full of vital information for you, and you can view and safely download the vaccine package inserts to educate and empower yourself. Protect your child from toxins like formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, and foreign DNA.

 

References:

  1. http://www.childrensmn.org/giving/corporate-giving…
  2. http://www.arkansasmatters.com/news…
  3. http://kstp.com/article/stories/s3903290.shtml
  4. http://www.vaxmainekids.org/kohlsvaxkids/
  5. https://www.childrensmn.org/services/care-specialties-departments/influenza/kohls-cares/
  6. http://www.jsonline.com/business/…
  7. http://www.nvic.org/faqs/vaccine-reactions.aspx
  8. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/…
  9. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/…
  10. https://vactruth.com/2010/12/18/…
  11. http://www.vaxmainekids.org/parents-corner/share-form/

Photo Credit

Missy Fluegge
 

Missy Fluegge is the mom of three children who have taught her abundantly about life, more than she learned in over sixteen years of formal schooling. Her passions include mothering, teaching fine arts, researching and serving as a parent educator. Many years ago, she traded her nightstand for a bookshelf, which always holds at least a dozen books-in-progress, mostly non-fiction reads that support her fairytale notion of saving the world one person at a time.

  • eggman2

    The junk medicine robber barons don’t let an opportunity to increase profits to pass them by.

  • nrbrk

    Parents—research vaccines, and not just the vaccine industry propaganda.

    Vaccines are not safe, and not effective. If your child is harmed or killed, the drug company is not liable. Don’t risk your child’s life for drug company profits.

  • Julie Berry Clark

    Well shoot. This is some of the stuff I’ve purchased at Kohl’s. I hate to hear it. Guess that’s just one more place to avoid.

  • midlifecrysis

    Oh crap! I have bought several books and stuffed animals for my NON-VAXXED great grandson. Guess I will stop!

  • Joe Cogan

    Thanks for the info! You’re providing a valuable public service (albeit not in the way you intend), and I’ll be sure to patronize Kohl’s in the future. Any other pro-science, pro-public health stores I should know about?

  • Kat

    VAERS says maybe 4000 kids of those reported have serious complications out of the 10million + given. That is a 0.4% rate of injury, at most. 25% of kids who get measles will be hospitalized. I’ll take my chances.

  • A. Nuran

    I will make sure to patronize Kohl’s.

  • Scarlett Kathryn Okerblom

    Smart woman! Knowledge > Fear

  • Scarlett Kathryn Okerblom

    Fantastic! My respect for Kohl’s just went up. Grateful to hear about a corporation that is actually giving back to the local communities!

  • Scarlett Kathryn Okerblom

    I’m curious too, I’ll shop there more and help out with their public service!

  • Scarlett Kathryn Okerblom

    Hope your healthy “NON-VAXXED” grandson doesn’t have any immune-compromised little friends!

  • nemtim

    Tks, I never really went there but now I won’t for sure.

  • Katia

    Good for Kohl’s! Another reason to shop there.

  • Corrie Navis

    Awesome, I hadn’t known this about Kohl’s before– thanks for sharing! I don’t shop there often as it’s not as conveniently located to me as some other stores, but will now make it a point to patronize them more often… and thank them for the great ways they give back & help keep kids healthy!

  • Corrie Navis

    So ironic that your profile picture is of Albert Einstein, someone committed to science, when you are apparently so against it.

  • Jessica

    This is awesome! I love to shop at Kohl’s and will do so more now! Thanks for informing me of the lovely work they are doing for our children.

  • I’ve never shopped at Kohl’s, and now I’m glad I don’t. I would be supporting VacTruth if they would drop vivisection from their agenda of “proving” vaccines cause autism like symptoms. There is another “monkey study” “proving” the opposite, by the way. Vivisection is unreliable and extremely cruel. What is that old adage from the Hippocratic Oath? Oh yeah, “First do no harm.” Read “Vivisection or Science, A Choice To Make,” by Dr. Pietro Croce (available to read online), and if you can get a hold of “Slaughter of The Innocent” (available through People for Reason In Science and Medicine) or “Naked Empress, or The Great Medical Fraud,” they are great references for how vivisection does not help us, but causes harm. Vaccines, by the way, are a direct product of vivisection, from the ingredients (starting with the cow-pus Jenner inoculations) to the “testing,” which can be manipulated whichever way the funding parties wish.

  • VAERS is the official pharma paid for reporting vehicle. I would trust them as far as I can throw them.

  • Katia

    Oh, for Pity’s sake! VAERS is a part of the federal government

  • Vaccines make children immuno-compromised. I started doing my research 35 years ago when I read in a book (which had been removed from bookstores by your beloved Nazi regime pharmaceutical industry, because they didn’t want people knowing the truth) a quote from a medical journal (of course, never shared with the public) that vaccinations were causing “an explosion of leukemia.” If you are not a paid troll, I would suggest you start a quest for the truth immediately.

  • EXACTLY, and the federal government has been playing footsie with the pharmaceutical industry for decades. That’s why our federal government passed the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Act in 1986, absolving vaccine makers from all liability for damages and deaths from their products. You can no longer have due process or a trial by jury of your peers. If the federal government (and their pharmaceutical advisors) deem that a payout may be bestowed, the TAXPAYERS pay the damages, while pharma laughs all the way to their offshore banks.

  • Kathy

    Actually, Congress passed the Act at the behest of private citizens, such as Barbara Loe Fisher and the other founders of NVIC. They worked with Senator Henry Waxman to solve several big problems with vaccines and vaccine injury reporting and compensation. One of the problems was pharmaceuticals simply ceasing to make vaccines. NCVIA was meant to solve that problem, and many others. I suggest you read the history.

    http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-injury-compensation-programs

  • Kathy

    That is great! A wonderful use of their donation dollars – helping children have healthier lives. Yay Kohl’s.

  • Kathy

    VAERS facts state 2.5 billion vaccines have been given in the USA in the last 30 years. That makes the rate of vaccine injury more like 99.999984% of vaxed Americans are just fine, not injured.

  • Kathy

    VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning anyone can report a perceived injury. Pharma has nothing to do with it.

  • Kathy

    A 35 year old book was likely removed from bookstores because it was old. I bet you can find it on amazon. What is the title?

    Meantime, none of us are paid trolls. The science stands for itself. Immunization doesn’t need to pay people to post. Pharma would prefer us all stop vaxing because they make far more money off people being sick than vaccines. Antibiotics, breathing treatments, etc – those all make pharma way more money.

    Vaccines don’t cause cancer or immune disorders. And there are no medical journals not shared with the public. All medical journals are published for anyone to read but some of them require a subscription. That does not mean they are hiding things. All the very finest scientific journals require subscription to read. Only a few are open access.

  • midlifecrysis

    Keep hoping! He’s NEVER been sick and he’s a year and a half old!!!! How about your vaxxed kids?????

  • Simon Eales

    It wasn’t even 20 seconds after i went to your site before you started shilling for money from me. Massive popup asking if i wanted to make a donation and i notice it specified “Generous” donations would be appreciated. I assume that if we are not filling your coffers fast enough with a small donation we can go screw ourselves.

    Yeah no hidden agenda there, the shilling (and real reason for the site) is blatantly obvious.

  • Natalie Steffen

    Obviously, you have not read ANY of the manufacturers vaccine package inserts. Please research before you praise, you might find out your common sense is missing.

  • Simon Eales

    You tube isn’t real research. Peer reviewed scientific testing is. Which one did you do?

  • Kathy

    Yes, actually, I have read most of them, maybe even all of them. You do understand that inserts are written after clinical trials are complete but before research is done into reports of adverse events? For example, SIDS is listed as an adverse event on some inserts but it specifically states “without regard to causation” because further research is always done. That is how we know vaccines cut the risk of SIDS in half. Yes, you read me correctly, vaccines cut the risk of SIDS in half. Vaccinated babies have half the risk of SIDS. That’s one reason SIDS rate is at an all time low in USA. It is always a good idea to read much more than inserts. Would you like some links to vaccine safety studies?

  • Heather Baker

    Guess you could give them to the child with no immune system when your great grandson infects them with something deadly but vaccine preventable… or the mourning parents who will be wishing that they could have vaccinated their child to protect it from the stupidity of others.

  • Heather Baker

    Mine are both fully vaxxed, happy to say both healthy.

  • Heather Baker

    A Google search for biased information is not research.

  • Yes, well, your link is from one of the pro-vaccine institutions. I love how they minimize the “reactions” at the beginning. The government (and it’s monied ‘advisors’ in pharma – which, by the way, is the top lobbying, and most powerful industry for a long time now) took parents’ concerns and twisted them to benefit the industry. Here is the real result: start with the word “yet”

    “The 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, which Loe Fisher was instrumental in the passage of, required that parents be informed of potential adverse reactions and that documentation be maintained and collected of such reactions, yet this is often ignored because there are no penalties for healthcare practitioners who fail to abide by the Act.”

    And then look this up: OPINION: Big Pharma’s Stranglehold On Washington.

    Also look up: Drug Companies Donated Millions To California Lawmakers Prior To Forced Vaccination Bill.

    If you ignore the big money, and the political connections, you miss the whole point. Money talks. But money is deceitful. Don’t listen to the money.

  • Keep an eye on them for everything from food allergies to cancer. And the cancer can come at any time. The SV40 monkey virus in the polio vaccine didn’t start creating it’s deadly cancer in the recipients until about 30 years after injection. Poisoning is sometimes fast, sometimes slow.

  • Heather K. Myers

    Awesome. I already loved Kohls, but now I will go out of my way to shop there! Thank you for spreading awareness about this amazing program.

  • The book was brand new when it was removed. It had just arrived in bookstores. When the author was notified that the books had been removed, he flew to where the books were allegedly removed to, a warehouse. The warehouse was empty, and no explanation of where the books went. The author had to re-publish on his own, because the book publishers didn’t want this to happen to them again. The name of that book is “Slaughter of The Innocent,” and you can get a used copy for a high price on Amazon, or you can get one at a reasonable price from People for Reason In Science and Medicine. As for vaccines “don’t cause cancer or immune disorders, here is a quote from BMJ, Vol. 2, #5546, April 1967, p.211: “Besides diseases of an acute nature, chronic degenerative diseases have also been reported to follow vaccination. Stovieck (1959), Paffy and Merei, (1961), McAlpine (1964), and numerous German authors described the occurrence of multiple sclerosis following the administration of vaccines for smallpox, typhoid fever, paratyphoid fever, tetanus, poliomyelitis, tuberculosis, and influenza, and after injection of antidiptheria serum and gamma globulins. Zintchenko (1965) reported twelve patients in whom MS first became evident after a course of anti rabies vaccinations.”

    YES, indeed, the “antibiotics and breathing treatments” make a lot of money, too, and very often those are required BECAUSE OF the “side effects” of vaccinations, which include asthma (which is listed on vaccine package inserts, along with SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome) and brain damage, and so much more.

  • Katia

    That’s a bunch of BS. You have to start with vaccine court, which is much friendlier to plaintiffs than regular civil court. They have “table injuries” that are awarded through no fault. If you don’t have a table injury, the standard of evidence is much lower than in civil court. They pay your legal fees, whether you win or lose. If you lose, you can take it to civil court AND you can appeal all the way to the US Supreme Court. Babs Loe Fisher, of NVIC, helped write the law. Don’t like it, take it up with her.

  • Tell that to Kathy, who provided the link. As mentioned before, I started my research 35 years ago, in medical libraries. There was no Internet then.

  • midlifecrysis

    Apparently, you don’t know or HAVE a vaccine damaged child. I DO. You can poison your children if you choose to, but for me and mine, we’ll stay healthy. TYVM

  • Sean Gallagher

    Yay Kohl’s!

  • Read my reply to Kathy, below, and start with the word “yet,” and keep in mind that, as I said, no matter what you ask for, they find a way to twist it, and your “THEY who pay your legal fees, is US, the taxpayers, not the FAT RAT pharmaceutical companies.

  • midlifecrysis

    I used to use an out-of-print book source called Red Bridge, but it might be out of business by now. I have a 40 year old vaccine damaged daughter and I wanted copies of “DPT-A Shot In The Dark”. But if you do an “out of print book search”, there are numerous places that could possibly find it for you. Good luck!

  • Amy Rick

    I’ll have to buy more books and stuffed animals from there! Woo hoo, Kohl’s!!!

  • “Education is not the learning of facts, but the training of the mind to think.” -Albert Einstein

    So, instead of just believing what “authorities” (most doctors do as they are “taught” and told, and most have never even read a vaccine package insert), search for the truth, and recognize it when you find it. Actually, quite a few doctors have broken away from the robot system, and they are attacked for doing so. Why? Because they are going against the mega-monied-power system: You might like to start with this discussion: Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries & Roman …
    http://www.westonaprice.org/…/dissolving-illusions-by-suzanne-humphries...

  • Demaris Forsythe

    So thrilled to know that Kohl’s is enlightened. I will be shopping there a lot more from now on. Vaccines save lives! They’re the best means we have of preventing diseases that can and do kill and disable. I’m going to write to Kohl’s, too, to let the corporation know how much I appreciate what they’re doing for public health. Gee, thanks VacTruth. This is the first time you’ve presented a single bit of value to the world.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    So we should listen to some conspiracy nutter like you instead of science and medicine? No, thanks. I’ll be sure to buy something at Kohl’s and donate to a charity that funds vaccines for children in your name, Chuckles.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Baloney. Not a single case of cancer has occurred from SV40. Grow up and stop lying.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Hahahaha. Cool story, bro.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    And you can obtain copies of articles through interlibrary loan.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    It’s out of print because it’s nonsense.

  • DJEB

    Too bad there are no Kohl’s here for me to support.

  • Kat

    If that’s true, then why would they be cited as a source for this article?

  • Nobel Prize winner calls peer review “very distorted …

    retractionwatch.com/2014/03/03/nobel-prize-winner-calls-peer…

    Blog: Scientific Corruption Exposed, ‘Peer Review Ring’ Busted

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/07/scientific_corruption_exposed..

    Of course, you can always find that pharma and medical mafia sources will publish links to discredit these, but I alway say ‘follow the money.’ Those who have everything to lose and nothing to gain from telling the truth, are the ones I believe.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    You dim bulb, Weston Price? Suzanne Humphries? They’re both quacks. “Quite a few doctors”? Hardly. Not even 1% of doctors are anti-vaccine. You’re daft.

  • DJEB

    Regarding inserts, I’ve done more than read them, I’ve bothered to find out the legal obligations behind them, how they are written, and how what is printed on the paper can conflict with the findings of medical research. More specifically, I have found the necessity to print spontaneous reports of adverse reactions (Part C from “Guidance for Industry Adverse Reactions: Section of Labeling for Human Prescription Drug and Biological Products — Content and Format”):

    “Decisions about whether to include an adverse event from spontaneous reports in labeling are typically based on one or more of the following factors: (1) seriousness of the event, (2) number of reports, or (3) strength of causal relationship to the drug.”

    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/Guidances/UCM075057.pdf

    In other words, if someone says that there was a severe adverse reaction – no pathological report needed – then the drug company is legally obliged to put it on the label.

    This can lead to a scenario like the following: even though a multi-year international study with over 1.4 million children looking into a causal connection between autism and vaccines has turned up no connection, manufacturers are still legally obligated to print it as an adverse reaction on the label.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367

  • Demaris Forsythe

    “that support her fairy-tale notion of saving the world one person at a time.” That’s what vaccines have done. They’ve saved millions of lives, and done far more for humanity than the author has.

  • midlifecrysis

    Be glad you don’t have to live with the results of ingesting poisons into your child. NOT nonsense when it happens to you!

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Citing studies that are 40 to 50 years old is dishonest argumentation.

    Look back on my commenting history and you will find links to more recent articles that show that there probably isn’t a link between autoimmune disorders and vaccination…..

    A sample size of 12 has inadequate power to make valid inferences about the population…..

  • DJEB

    But VAERS is a joke. There is massive over-reporting there. Here’s VAERS on VAERS:

    “Overreporting also occurs, since VAERS accepts reports without prejudice with regards to their source, and some reported conditions do not meet standard diagnostic criteria. Many reported events, including serious ones, occur coincidentally after vaccination and are not causally related to vaccination. Individual reports may contain inaccurate or incomplete information, making their interpretation with respect to vaccine causality more difficult.” https://vaers.hhs.gov/resources/VAERS_CME.pdf

    But be careful, vaccines might turn you into The Incredible Hulk:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20130419004549/http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/14/chelation-autism

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Don’t waste your time. The evidence is against shot in the darks premise.

  • If you think there are no paid trolls, look at what Demaris Forsythe posts.

  • You are lying. It is well-documented, and I first learned about it in 1985.

  • Red Ruffensor

    Careful there, you don’t know if those books and teddy bears are “shedding.”

  • Red Ruffensor

    My kids are 25 and 30, all vaxxed up, and in perfect health.

  • Kathy

    Do you have proof anyone is paid? Does it matter if anyone is paid to post if they are just posting verifiable information?

  • Kathy

    What is it called?

  • Red Ruffensor

    It’s mighty hard to prove causation thirty years later. The study you must have read is a groundbreaker.

  • Well, your “multi-year international study” always turns out to be the official position of the people with the money. There have been so many instances of paid outs for SIDS, autism, etc., (in several countries) yet the official stance is to continue to hide those and deny, deny, deny. Follow the money. If a doctor is risking his or her license, livelihood, and in some instances even his or her life, to tell the truth, that’s who to listen to. Money talks, but money is deceitful. Don’t listen to the money.

  • You, my friend DO fit the description of a troll, and you are not worth my time

  • Kathy

    “reported to follow vaccination” Correlation does not equal causation. The rise in autism has been correlated to the rise in consumption of organic produce. Does organic produce cause autism?

    No, antibiotics and breathing treatments and hospitalizations are far more common with diseases. Vaccines almost never cause any of that, certainly they never cause infection requiring antibiotics.

    You are another one who doesn’t read vaccine inserts correctly. Inserts never list side effects. Adverse event does not equal side effect. They list adverse events without regard to causation. They just list what was reported as occurring in the time of the clinical trial. Afterward, much more research is done. It’s how we know some vaccines are safe during pregnancy, how we know vaccines cut the risk of sids in half, and how we know vaccines do not cause autism. As I asked the other person on this thread, would you like me to link you to safety studies? Vaccines are proven not to casue any of what you put in your list.

  • Kathy

    SLAUGHTER OF THE INNOCENT – Hans Ruesch is about vivisection, not vaccines.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    I’m sure Kohl’s is devastated.

  • DJEB

    Cool conspiracy theory. I notice the utter lack of actual evidence to form a rebuttal.

    As for legal settlements, they constitute no kind of proof. http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2012/01/oh-no-the-us-has-paid-out-2-billion-in-vaccine-injury-compensation-that-must-mean-vaccines-are-dange.html

    But let’s stay focused on the fact here that you have no rebuttal for the fact that vaccine manufacturers are legally obliged to print serious reported events, even if they lack scientific evidence.

  • Actually, information from medical journals before the pharmaceutical industry increased it’s foothold, and allowed to censor information which would incriminate their industry, IS the honest information. Everything has become so corrupt in the last 30 years, and it’s getting worse all the time.

  • Kathy

    There have been 4000 claims paid for vaccine reactions, in 30 years. During that time, 2.5 billion vaccines have been given in the USA. That means that vaccines are 99.999984% safe. Even if twice as many injuries exist, vaccines are still 99.999% safe.

    If you read the link, it does state the actual history. Of note is the fact that without NCVIA pharmaceutical companies would have stopped making vaccines all together. So, how does money figure into that fact? There would have been a lot more sick kids and they would have made a lot more money, if we didn’t have vaccines.

    As for donations to lawmakers in Cali, yes I have read the Sac Bee article several times. Noted in the article is the fact that pharmaceutical companies were not specifically lobbying for SB277 to pass and the $95,000 in pharma donations to Dr Richard Pan’s campaign contributions represents only 1.7% of total campaign contributions made to him. One point seven percent is nothing. Also, Joel Anderson, who voted against the bill, also got about that much in campaign donations from pharmaceutical companies. He voted NO on the bill. So much for the money theory.

  • Red Ruffensor

    Hey, both words start with V and share several other letters. That’s close enough for lots of people.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    No, it isn’t “well documented.” There has been not one single case of cancer linked to SV40. If there had been, you’d be able to cite evidence. You can’t. It’s a myth and it’s debunked here: http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/polio-vaccines-cancer-debunking-myth/ And here: http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2011/02/16/the-undead-undead-virus-myth/ and here: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/another-antivaccine-zombie-meme-sv40-and-cancer-and-polio-oh-my/

  • Kathy

    No one has ever been compensated for SIDS related to a vaccine or autism related to a vaccine. The closest you will find is Hanna Poling and even that is a stretch, if you read the decision.

  • Kathy

    My vaxed kids are 8 yrs and 12 yrs and extremely healthy. I cannot remember the last time we went to the doc for illness.

  • Yes, autopsies on the bodies found SV40 as the causative factor. It’s not a secret. The info. has been around since they first found out, in the mid-80’s

  • Kathy

    Vaccines do not cause food allergies or cancer. But, two vaccines PREVENT cancer. :)

  • Kathy

    There is no evidence SV40 causes cancer.

  • Red Ruffensor

    Amazon has used ones for less than a quarter.

  • Kathy

    No, they found SV40 in elderly people. They did not prove SV40 caused death or cancer.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Oh, what utter nonsense. You are just ridiculous.

  • Yes they do cause food allergies and cancer, and a whole host of other things. Are you perhaps referring to HPV, which has NEVER been proven to prevent anything, but has caused the deaths of many young girls (and now, boys, too) ?

  • Demaris Forsythe

    It IS nonsense. Vaccines aren’t “poisons.” They can cause adverse reactions, but they are extremely rare. Was the one you’re describing diagnosed by a doctor? Did you report it to VAERS?

  • Katia

    That’s a great idea!

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Mountains of evidence from all over the world shows that vaccines are safe and effective. Plenty of research has shown it, and there’s lots that has nothing to do with pharmaceutical companies.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Your time isn’t worth a thing, as all you’ve done with it is post nonsense and misinformation, along with silly conspiracy theories.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Manufacturers make less than 2% of their profits from vaccines.

  • DJEB
  • Demaris Forsythe

    No, they don’t. Not a single study has linked allergies or cancer to vaccines, or you’d be able to cite them. And HPV is the human papilloma virus, dear. Of course it doesn’t “prevent anything.” It’s a virus that causes cervical cancer. That does indeed kill about 4000 people a year. The vaccine that prevents it from infecting people has not killed a single person. Not one.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    No, they didn’t.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Thank you! Let’s do it!

  • Medical_Freedom

    I will be boycotting Kohl’s for their participation in harming their younger customers. I don’t vaccinate. Nor do I support companies that lie to their customers about vaccine safety.

    So glad that Hawaii kicked the mandatory vax bill on its ear. Also glad that this ex Merck employee taking advantage of the SuperBowl to blow the whistle on how NOT SAFE these toxin loaded crap shots really are.

    http://truthkings.com/2016/02/05/hawaii-just-killed-vaccine-bill/?utm_source=CCNewsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=HawaiiKillsVaccineBill#

    http://truthkings.com/2016/02/07/anti-vaccination-group-launches-amazing-new-billboard-for-superbowl/

  • Demaris Forsythe

    If you read Truthkings, you are’t very bright.

  • Vaccine Pioneer Doctor Admits Polio Vaccine Caused Cancer

    healthimpactnews.com/2013/vaccine-pioneer-doctor-admits-polio…

    CDC Admits Polio Vaccine Tainted with Cancer Causing Virus

    http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/it-only-took-50-years-cdc-admits...

    And especially this one, where you can hear it admitted on tape, or read the transcript, from Merck “scientist” “Dr.” Hillman, himself:

    Merck Scientist Dr. Maurice Hilleman Admitted Presence of …

    worldtruth.tv/merck-scientist-dr-maurice-hilleman-admitted…

  • DJEB

    Have you noticed that websites with “Truth” in their name contain little to none of it?

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Not one of those links is to any science-based, credible source. Try again, dear. No link between cancer and SV40.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    No kidding. “Facts” is another misnomer. VacFacts is run by a high school graduate who was convicted of stealing a kid’s bike!

  • Demaris Forsythe

    I’m not paid a dime. I do this for the sheer joy of showing that people like you are full of BS and nothing else.

  • Direct evidence from the CDC that vaccines cause food …

    http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/…cdc-that-vaccines-cause-food-allergies

    Merck Scientist Dr. Maurice Hilleman Admitted Presence of …

    worldtruth.tv/merck-scientist-dr-maurice-hilleman-admitted..

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Vaccines don’t contain “toxins.” Not one substance in them is unnecessary or used in any amount even close to being harmful. Vaccines are far safer than the diseases they prevent, and the statistics and research show it.

  • Watson

    Funny that.

    Reminds me of this hit piece about the guy who owns Vactruth.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/06/the-navy-fraud-fronting-the-anti-vaxxer-movement.html

  • Demaris Forsythe

    This is not evidence. You are not even close to knowing what science-based evidence looks like. There have been no valid studies linking food allergies to vaccines.

  • DJEB

    These folks are always so Americentric, as though other nations, including communist Cuba (thanks for the lung cancer vaccine, Cuba!) are not involved in vaccine research.

  • Kathy

    He’s documenting a known risk of oral polio and that is that it can shed and cause polio in a few. But, the fight to eradicate polio is one of the greatest achievements of all time. As a country conquers native polio with oral polio vaccination, they then move to inactivated polio vaccine, which leads to zero cases of polio. It’s why we are within a year or two of literally eradicating polio from earth. That will be the second greatest human achievement of my lifetime.

  • Family: 12-Year-Old Daughter Died Hours After Getting HPV …

    atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/08/12/family-12-year-old-daughter-died…

    GARDASIL KILLED MY DAUGHTER – RHONDA RENATA

    http://www.offtheradar.co.nz/vaccines/108-gardasil-killed-my-daughter...

    HPV vaccination Gardasil kills three New Zealand girls and …

    infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?id=46752

    It’s Official: 139 Girls Have Died From HPV Vaccinations

    http://www.trueactivist.com/its-official-139-girls-have

    HPV Vaccine Did This To Her Child. Warning: Hard To Watch …

    7 months ago

    Be warned, this is difficult to watch. “This was a very hard video to post, my 12 yr old daughter was fine before her vaccine, now this …

  • DJEB
  • DJEB

    Funny how that argument is unfalsifiable.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Nope. Not one death has been linked to the vaccine. You are citing nothing but anti-vax nonsense and losing whatever credibility you might have had when you first posted. Nobody has died from the vaccine.

  • DJEB

    Suki has no proof of anything, hence the bluster and accusations.

  • Kathy

    No, vaccines do not cause allergies or cancer, no matter how you insist they do. There is zero evidence to support your claims.

    Also, there is no evidence HPV has caused any deaths. If you read the websites with hpv vaccine death stories, those girls died from things like heart conditions, strokes, lyme disease, car accidents, suicide, drug overdose. That is exactly what CDC, FDA and the agencies of Canada, Australia, and the European Union found when they analyzed reports of adverse events after HPV vaccine. No deaths caused by vaccine, very low incidence of severe side effects caused by vaccine. There is just a lot of hysteria and a lot of overreporting.

    It is tragic to lose a child but it does not benefit anyone to blame her death irrationally on a vaccine.

  • DJEB
  • Katia

    There’s online.

  • Dixie Gainer

    Vaccines have not saved millions of lives. That is an advertising myth. Just something to argue with – no science to show.

  • DJEB

    Good point.

  • Demaris Forsythe
  • DJEB
  • Demaris Forsythe
  • Kathy

    Well, we used to lose 500 kids a year to measles but that stopped in 1963. Since then, death from measles in USA has been rare, about 43 cases in last 10 years of deaths from complications related to measles. So, let’s round up and say we’ve saved about 500 lives a year with measles vaccine alone. Times 51. 25,500 lives saved from one vaccine alone. Now, times that by 16 for all the vaccines and multiply that for all the countries which vaccines, particularly the developing countries were death rate from VPDs was much higher. It’s not hard to see where we could easily get into the millions of lives saved.

  • Demaris Forsythe
  • Demaris Forsythe
  • Demaris Forsythe
  • Oh, I went and looked up the contributions, and when one ads up all of those in the “health” (sickness) industries, it is a lot more than 1.7% – and then there are the “trade unions,” which is pretty vague as to description. I compared it to Anderson’s and he has NOTHING listed from the “health” industries. Quit wasting my time.

    Political Contributions From The Health And Insurance …

    content.healthaffairs.org/content/11/4/119.full.pdf

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Yah, I was hoping for smallpox. And there ISN’T ANY TO BE HAD!

  • It comes from your revered kahunas, the CDC and Merck. So, I already identified you as troll who is wasting my time. So anyone who is agreeing with your vague statements and insults, isn’t very bright, either.

  • Kathy

    Trade unions for the nurses? You think they are not concerned with people’s health? You live in crazy town.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    SIDS rates are lower in vaccinated babies than in non-vaxed infants.

  • Kathy

    Insurers want to keep costs down. Vaccines keep costs down. Less medical bills means less insurers have to pay. Again, your money theory flies out the window.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Yeah. She’s the mayor.

  • Jenniffer

    There have been 81 cases that were settled by the NVICP for children dx’d with autism or autism-like symptoms. You, the tax payer, are funding the life time of care and support these vaccine-injured children will need. Hope you plan to work a VERY long time. Hannah Poling is just one case that was settled out of court because the government knew it couldn’t win against Dr. Poling, a neurologist. Her payout was approx. $20 million over her lifetime because she will need care for ever. Feel free to jab yourself and your dependants with every vaccine they decide you need. In fact, have mine too.

  • DJEB

    Y… you do realize that Kathy is talking about lobbying for California’s SB277, and your linked pdf is talking about funding PACs and Congressional candidates.

    Just linking any old thing you find with dollars mentioned in it doesn’t prove much of anything, and it most certainly does not prove vaccines are dangerous.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Hmmm. Ever checked to see how much Joe Mercola makes selling you supplements? How about the speaking fees for Tenpenny? How much do you suppose Mike Adams makes off gullible geese who read his site?

  • Jenniffer

    Wow, Katia, you have no clue about which you speak. Nothing new there as most anti-choice peeps are just as clueless. When you write “they pay your legal fees…” what you mean is “I pay your legal fees…”. Thank you.

  • DJEB
  • Kathy

    Not one of those settlements was for autism. Not one case of autism has ever been compensated. All of those cases were given compensation for other health issues, not autism. Read the cases. Poling case was not settled out of court. All vaccine injury claims are settled by a special master.

    Again, vaccine injury claims compensated in last 30 years is 4000. Number of vaccines given in USA in 30 years is 2.5 billion. Vaccines are 99.999984% safe. No disease comes anywhere near that, not one. Diseases are far riskier.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    No, dear, you’re the one who’s clueless.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    There is not one valid study that shows a link between autism and vaccines. Even Autism Speaks acknowledges that fact. You fail to understand that settlements in VICP often are made even when there is not evidence that the adverse event was caused by a vaccine.

  • DJEB

    They could use the money to fund more studies to show that vaccines don’t cause autism, like this paper, funded by anti-vaxxers.
    http://www.pnas.org/content/112/40/12498.full.pdf

  • DJEB

    It comes from notorious derpsite WorldTruth. And the scienceforums.net “evidience? I’ll copy and paste it here:

    “Sorry, we couldn’t find that!”

    What is the Merck case about? This is what it is about:

    In the words of Merck’s attorney Eric Sitarchuk, ““Their case at its core is that the government didn’t get what it paid for…. “They have to allege misrepresentations made to the [CDC].” From the other side, “This case is not about science,” [the whistleblowers’ attorney Gordon] Schnell said. “We don’t need to show the science and the efficacy of the vaccine. All we need to show is that Merck concealed information to keep the government purchasing hundred of millions of dollars of the vaccine.”
    http://www.law360.com/articles/450703/suit-over-mumps-vaccine-shows-no-false-claims-merck-says

    The two bringing forth the suit claimed that the vaccine had reduced in strength over the years; and they claimed that Merck falsified data (via their chosen testing procedures) to keep their licence with the FDA. The claimed effectiveness of the vaccine, however, was not a requirement of the FDA, which does approve vaccines with a lower than 95% efficacy rate.

    What has not occurred in this case is a fact-finding mission. What the case does not show is that the vaccine is of no use.
    http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/merck-mumps-motions-whistleblowers-the-actual-story/

    tl;dr: If the two bringing the claim forward are correct, the vaccine isn’t currently as strong as claimed. If true, the result is most likely to be a more effective vaccine being developed.

  • Scarlett Kathryn Okerblom

    Oh really? Which university do you do research for? Actually, pharmaceutical companies don’t make money off vaccines. They make money off long-term, chronic medications for hyperlipidemia, diabetes, hypertension, antidepressants, etc. Not something that you only give once or twice (that doesn’t make for much capital). And peer-reviewed medical studies have shown a reduced risk in childhood leukemia in vaccinated children. Here is the National Library of Medicine article to learn more: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15951359
    And no, I’m not a paid troll. Just a medical student on a quest to help children across the world. :-)

  • Casey Marie

    Now that I know Khol’s donates vaccines, I’ll be shopping there more! In fact, I went and got a Khol’s card. Can’t wait.

  • When I looked at it, it said “cancer,” not polio. That was the issue your brought up before. Man, you people skip all over the place, and ignore what you originally brought up as the point. But polio vaccine in the USA was brought in at a time when cases of paralysis from polio had already declined from 39 per 100,000 to 15 per 100,000, and when the vaccine was introduced, it actually increased the cases of polio in areas where mandatory vaccination was enforced, while it continued it’s steady downward spiral in areas where vaccination centers had not been set up: here is some history from Eleanor McBean, who worked as a school nurse in the 50’s and was asked to research and bring back information which would assuage the concerns of parents about the vaccinations. She thoroughly scoured public health records, and came back with statistics like these: Tennessee:

    1958: 119 cases of polio before compulsory shots

    1959: 386 cases of polio after compulsory shots

    Ohio:

    1958: 17 cases of polio before compulsory shots

    1959: 52 cases of polio after compulsory shots

    Connecticut:

    1958: 45 cases of polio before compulsory shots

    1959: 123 cases of polio after compulsory shots

    North Carolina:

    1958: 78 cases of polio before compulsory shots

    1959: 313 cases of polio after compulsory shots

    Los Angeles:

    1958: 89 cases of polio before shots

    1959: 190 cases of polio after shots7

    The school district (which by this time had been drawn into a financial symbiotic relationship with the pharma industry) decided to ignore her findings and transfer her. So, she put her research into a book, “The Poisoned Needle” (1957). And then there is the re-naming of the paralysis after the vaccines are given. That’s a nice trick, too. It’s happening a lot now, in third world countries.

    Polio and Acute Flaccid Paralysis : Inside Vaccines

    insidevaccines.com/…/2010/06/02/polio-and-acute-flaccid-paralysis

  • Scarlett Kathryn Okerblom

    Why would I hope your grandchild gets sick? That’s just cruel. And yes, the vaccinated children in my clinics are healthy also. It’s the ones with cancer, heart defects, HIV, and diabetes I worry about.

  • David Loewen

    We don’t have a Kohl’s here, but, if they do come to the community, I’ll be sure to shop there as often as I can.

  • DJEB

    So with 130 million new customers each year, they are able likely to pull revenues (revenues, not profits) of $58 billion in 3 years time. That’s not really a shocker.

  • Professor David Gorski, a well-known online character assassin masquerading as a science defender

    Internet Trolls Attack Anyone Resisting Vaccine Party Line

    Excerpted: The more you read, the more you start to realize that there is a growing number of doctors, scientists, nurses, and other health care providers who have serious questions about the current vaccine paradigm favored by the pharmaceutical industry, government agencies, such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Food and Drug Administration (FDA), medical trade groups, and the mainstream media.

    Increasingly, professionals within a wide range of health care and science fields are giving interviews and writing articles and books voicing their concerns about vaccine risks, the misrepresentation of the historical role of vaccines in reducing mortality from infectious diseases, the expanding schedule and number of vaccines mandated, or even the basic mechanism theories behind vaccine science.

    Predictably, every time you give the name of a contrarian doctor or scientist in response to the 99.9% figure, what you tend to get is, “Eh, well, he’s a quack, she’s not credible.” Also, you get referred to blogs such as Science-Based Medicine,1 or Respectful Insolence,2 or the Skeptical Raptor’s Blog.3 They’re often written by or associated with a guy named David Gorski, MD, who also goes by the alias “Orac.” Gorski is a surgical oncologist and an assistant professor of surgery at Wayne State University School of Medicine in Detroit, MI.4

    Should you wish to debunk someone, anyone, who dares to disagree with mainstream thinking on vaccines, all you need do is inform Orac, and the good doctor will gladly oblige by writing up a boorish piece, long on insult and short on science. Orac’s methods are painfully predictable. In one piece earlier this year, he criticized a prominent immunologist5 who had the nerve to write an open letter on vaccine science to state legislators in California about to vote on a bill eliminating personal belief vaccine exemptions. He started out by dismissing the individual’s credentials outright. Orac writes:

    Read more:

    http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/11/internet-trolls-attack-anyone-resisting-vaccine-party-line/

    “Science”Blogs: Seed Media’s Aggressive Weed

    Part I: Fertilizer From Pharma

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/09/scienceblogs-seed-medias-aggressive-weed.html

    Least We Forget the Blatant Cruelty of the Vaccine Industry and Their Propagandized Trolls and Shills

    http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2014/06/26/least-we-forget-the-blatant-cruelty-of-the-vaccine-industry-their-propagandized-trolls-and-shills/

  • DJEB

    2015: Zero cases

  • Scarlett Kathryn Okerblom

    When doing research, it is important to understand which sources are credible and which are not. A website called “VacFacts” whose headline reads “Why Holistic Doctors Are Being Killed” is not a credible source. Try searching the World Health Organization, CDC, American Academy of Pediatrics, and the National Library of Medicine. They are peer-reviewed sources of information so as to be kept unbiased. And of course, all things cost money. But guess who pays for those vaccines? Providers like myself. And we provide them to our patients at no cost, so we do not profit off of them.

  • DJEB

    Gorsky takes no shit from anyone. He calls an idiot and idiot. Moreover, here and elsewhere, he explains why they are idiots.

  • DJEB

    Nice copypasta, though.

  • Fascinating your account was created today and, of course, the only comments you have provided to the discussion. How much has Kohl’s paid you? Oh …. I’m sure you’re genuinely interested in the topic.

  • Scarlett Kathryn Okerblom

    Why yes, I did just create my account today. I saw this article and wanted to comment on it (you need an account to do so). If Kohl’s would like to give me money I’ll send them my address, haha! I have too many student loans, I could use the help.

  • DJEB

    I see you typing away. It better be to provide some tangible rebuttal to the sciencebasedmedicine article and not just a poison the well fallacy.

  • DJEB

    So… and ad hominem. Impressive.

  • First time commenting? I wonder how much Kohl’s has paid you to comment on this post. Thanks for playing.

  • DJEB

    Dude, you type slow. Just hit send already.

  • Oh, we could do dueling statistics all night long, but the billions, no trillions now, of dollars behind the ones that support (guess who) the companies putting out the vaccines are the ones that are suspect to me. I had measles, my siblings had measles, all our classmates had it, our neighborhood friends had it. No one died, because we lived with proper sanitation, balanced nutrition, heated abodes in the winter, etc. That is where good health comes from, not vaccinations. When children started getting measles (and a more severe form, called “Atypical measles”) after vaccinations, the first line of propaganda was “more boosters needed.” When the booster getters were coming down with measles, the newest form of propaganda to cover up with is “herd immunity,” which works in cases of naturally occurring disease, but obviously (boosters, everyone!!) not with vaccination. So now they blame healthy unvaccinated people for the sick vaccinated ones. What won’t they come up with next.

  • DJEB

    So… if it is someone’s first time commenting, it therefore invalidates what they say? Not very impressive argumentation there.

  • DJEB

    No, you could post derp from derpsites and 60 year old studies, and Kathy could post valid data.

  • Boy, the paid off trolling shills are sure hot on this article tonight; must be to much vaccine truth being told here, and exposed. Gorski is a compete piece of vaccine shilling, and in denial garbage, so you can just go ahead and just face that, right now.

  • DJEB

    Also, survivor bias.

  • DJEB

    Ah the shill gambit. And how much am I getting paid? For that matte, how much is Gorsky getting paid?

    Copies of invoices, or it didn’t happen.

  • Why, thank you. I’m glad you agree with me.

  • DJEB

    Replying to this, too? Hopefully not another 5 minutes just to bang out 4 lines.

  • Graceds

    I’m stopping shopping there.

  • Wow, a new trolling vaccine shill. And what is your real name, and who and/or what do you work for? Go ahead and not reply to that, we all known how cowardly you are. Just keep on and go for your bonus. Nothing would ever be enough, and you know that.

  • Graceds

    Gorski used to blog as SoCalGirl, didn’t he?

  • DJEB

    What was that you were saying about being a “character assassin”?

    As for shilling, again, copies of invoices, or it didn’t happen.

  • Of course you did.

  • I just love your picture; what is that, a dead guy? That is just perfect for your, vaccine shilling. How much did they pay you?

  • Not really. Apparently facts are the new ad hominem for the kids today.

  • Joe Cogan

    The plural of “anecdote” is not “evidence”.

  • Joe Cogan

    Oh dear. You do understand that things published in medical journals are “shared with the public” by definition, don’t you?

  • Katia

    If you feel that posting here is a waste of time, do sign out and log off.

  • Yeah, I looked at that, and Daily Beast was mocking “the guy” for, among other things, naming mouse brains as an ingredient in vaccinations. Ah, but they are the ones to be mocked, because there ARE mouse brains used as an ingredient, along with dog and monkey kidneys, sheep’s blood, along with the formaldehyde, acetone, aluminum, etc. I copied this from “Vaccine Ingredients and Manufacturers” site, and it lists all the ingredients on all the vaccines, including this:
    “mice (brains are innoculated with the virus), phosphate-buffered saline, formaldehyde, 40% w/v sucrose.”

  • Katia

    I am proud of the ANA, the nursing professional organization, also the APTA, as my daughter is a physical therapist.

  • Katia

    Shop online.

  • I do love it, actually. What can you tell me about the article you posted that is true? Thanks.

  • Katia

    Oh, for Ford’s sake! You’re pretty weak if all you can do is accuse people who disagree with you of being paid.

  • BS, your “peer review” system has been completely corrupted – I posted links for that elsewhere here. No, the money comes from the taxpayers. WHO, CDC, all corrupt. You DO get the repeat business, though, from the asthma, allergies, skin rashes, ear infections, etc.

  • Katia

    Good Grief, is that all you can do, hurl ad hominem? You’ve said nothing of substance.

  • I feel like you are a weak person. Perhaps a nurse who likes to bully parents into vaccinating their children, even if you don’t completely understand the ramifications of the choice you are forcing them to make. Just the vibe I’m getting. “Katia”

  • Yes, before the corruption became so insidious, that what used to be reliable sources of information are now completely bastardized and unscrupulous.

  • Tell us, “Katia”, what you have to say that is of substance.

  • Kathy

    And, yet, not one vaccine in the top 100 profitable drug list

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/825053

    Because vaccines are expensive to make and they don’t bring in as much profit as you all think. By the way, homeopathy and supplements are also multi-billion dollar a year industries.

  • I mean, never in a newspaper, never on TV, never where the general public is going to see it. One would think that information such as “the vaccination causes an explosion of leukemia” would be at least as important for the news media to share as, say, “smoking causes lung cancer,” which we have heard about many times over.

  • Kathy

    I am sorry you all experienced so much suffering. None of my siblings nor classmates had measles. Thanks to vaccines. Given that measles weakens the immune system for three years afterward, you must have been a very sick child.

    Atypical measles? I’ve not heard of such a thing. We know that one MMR is 95% effective for life and two is 99% effective for life. Measles is rare in developed countries with high vax rates. In fact, all the countries south of USA have little to no measles thanks to their very high MMR vax rates (no personal belief exemptions allowed ). USA and Canada have growing measles resurgence thanks to people not vaxing. But, still, we have relatively low measles rates. 600 in USA in 2014 is higher than people would like but still nothing compared to tens of thousands in France and Germany.

    PS Measles is an airborne disease so heat, clean water, sanitation, nutrition – none of them matter.

  • Kathy

    Do you know how to determine which studies are valid and which are not? Because I do. Research methods courses in college taught me how to read studies for bias and conflicts and how to understand reliability and validity. Blanket statements such as all science is corrupted are not accurate.

  • Kathy

    vac facts is lowell’s very own website. Google him, if you’ve never heard of him.

  • Pharmaceutical Companies Spent 19 Times More On Self …

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/pharmaceutical-companies...

  • judi

    your reference is 10 years old

  • Really? And who paid you to say that? Go ahead and tell me who you work for?

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

  • Ali Reneé Carlson

    Yay kohls :) love shopping there so much. I actually just bought some stuff there this weekend for my baby on the way! Good to know that kohls is supporting science and our childrens health. My soon to be three yo son is vaccinated and perfectly fine! I believe in the benifits of holistic healing, I am a registered massage therapist and about to graduate a natural health consulting program. Not one thing I have learned in college has led me to doubt the science behind vaccination. I pray for you all! Can’t wait til I get my tax return so i can spend it at kohls!

  • Sources for your comments. PLEASE.

    Also – Vitamin A has nothing to do with how a person reacts to a measles infection?

    Thanks in advance.

  • Having studied vaccines since finding out the public was not being apprised of little details, like vaccinations causing leukemia, I’ve learned that the corruption is growing as fast as the profits, and those profits are growing by leaps and bounds since the pharmaceutical companies got that sweet deal with the government to not be held liable for any deaths or injuries, and have the taxpayers pay all that, instead.

  • David Loewen

    Ain’t the internet a wonderful thing? ;-)

  • Ohhh …but you are lying… and I am actually deep in the actual and direct debate here. You…newcomer trolling SHILL. And with lots of information. Wake up. How do you paid, very sick, and trolling shill people even look in the mirror, in the morning. Sick, sick,and twisited stuff.

  • Really, “Katia”? You troll often – and you’re not even brave enough to go by your real name.

  • One MD, who also is a speaker for Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, and Sanofi-Pasteur – all vaccine makers, says,

    “Giving influenza vaccine is also good for the financial health of your practice.”

    That candid remark, made in writing, came from Richard Lander, MD, and was published in the article “Influenza vaccination makes sense for everyone” on Healio Pediatrics webpage about Infectious Diseases in Children.

  • What else is new, stupid trolling shill? Truth is truth and facts are facts.

  • Gorski explains nothing but in reality how angry mislead he is, and in how he expects others to remain as lying and in denial as he is. Gorski is the last place anyone does, and should go for fact and truth information. Really you would have to be one entirely mislead and dumb SOB, to believe even a single world of what, and anything he says. Just face it.

  • Just more lying vaccine shill garbage. And who, and with no identity do you work for? Do you understand the word and the concept known as, complete denial? As well why are you so cowardly that you refuse to reveal your actual identity? That should be a huge red flag. Zero credibility. Do you see me; I have NEVER hidden my identity, and because I remain fearless in that my mission of vaccine truth is right and so very needed. Since 2009, I have reached thousands of people with my sites information, and the stats show that. So, what good have you done?

  • The general state of health of individuals (as a result of the conditions I mentioned) had A LOT to do with how one deals with measles, or anything else. Unlike the vaccinated kids who are getting measles (and now the more severe Atypical measles) , the vast majority of us who had it became immune for life (no need for boosters or blaming it on unvaccinated healthy people). And, we didn’t get autism, which IS caused by vaccination, no matter how many times it is denied. There have been numerous payouts in several different countries. But beyond that, you cannot tell a thinking parent, who takes a healthy baby in for shots, and it comes out with high pitched screaming and is never the same again, or dies (SIDS, listed on the package inserts) that it is just a coincidence. They KNOW. I would not be surprised if that is the reason they now want all babies vaccinated for a disease that only affects prostitutes and druggies before they even leave the hospital. That way, the baby is sick from the get go, and they can say he was “born that way,” with no previous healthy status to compare it with.

  • So are you saying that they should have made more money than that? So 57 billion is not a large amount of money? So big pharma and the doctors and Pediatricians actually work in your best health interest, and not only for themselves? Wow, that is the best thing since sliced bread , as no we know that all the vaccinator’s work for only your better health good, and not for large profits. I am so glad that you informed me of that. I feel so much better now… baa baa baa….sheeple running through the fences left and right. “Get vaccinated”.

  • Show me the evidence that it prevents cancer

  • eggman2

    And they have disabled clients from VACCINES for life to buy all the other drugs that they sell. Yet, I believe that you might be a propaganda prostitute working for the junk medicine robber barons ( the vaccine makers ) giving as much false information as you can. So whatever you say must be as good as feces.

  • eggman2

    Peer reviewed medical studies have shown a reduced risk of childhood leukemia in vaccinated children ??? !!!! It shows how prostituted our professionals are, if after injecting the cancer causing chemicals and biohazardous material from cancer cells into children, they claim that.

    I don’t believe that you don’t get paid. That is what they told you to say. You must be a propaganda prostitute working for the junk medicine robber barons ( the vaccine makers ).

    It is stupid to say that vaccine makers don’t make money from VACCINES. No corporation can operate without profits. And all the disabilities that VACCINES create in their vaccinated subjects, create in those subjects clients for life of the junk medicine robber barons. So profits become rather eternal.

  • All you had to do for the “sorry, can’t find that” (it happens sometimes when you try to post links) is type in the headline yourself. I typed it in, followed the link, and copied this out of the CDC text:

    “Anaphylaxis usually begins within minutes of vaccine administration (78–80). Rapid recognition and initiation of treatment are required to prevent possible progression to cardiovascular collapse. If flushing, facial edema, urticaria, itching, swelling of the mouth or throat, wheezing, dyspnea, or other signs or symptoms of anaphylaxis occur, the patient should be placed in a recumbent position with the legs elevated if possible (81,82). Administration of epinephrine is the management of choice. Additional drugs also might be indicated (Table 8) (83). Maintenance of the airway and oxygen administration might be necessary. After the patient is stabilized, arrangements should be made for immediate transfer to an emergency facility for additional evaluation and treatment.

    An adverse reaction is an undesirable side effect that occurs after a vaccination. Vaccine adverse reactions are classified as 1) local, 2) systemic, or 3) allergic (additional information available at http://www.fda.govExternal Web Site Icon). Local reactions (e.g., redness) are usually the least severe and most frequent. Systemic reactions (e.g., fever) occur less frequently than local reactions, and severe allergic reactions (e.g., anaphylaxis) are the least frequent reactions.”

    And this is a good one. Vaccines and the Peanut Allergy Epidemic | The Doctor Within

    http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/allergies/vaccines-and-the-peanut-all

    And as for the second one, all you had to do was watch the video or read the text of the polio vaccine developer admitting that SV40 and cancer was in the vaccine, and he blamed “those damned monkeys”

  • Sorry, in the Vaccine Debate, the ‘Experts’ are the Historians
    https://idsent.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/sorry-in-the-vaccine-debate-the-experts-are-the-historians/

    The REAL History Behind the Polio Vaccine
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/the-real-history-behind-the-polio-vaccine/

    The Salk Polio Vaccine “Tragedy”

    During mid-April of 1955, about 400,000 people—mostly schoolchildren—in the U.S. were vaccinated with the Salk vaccine manufactured by Cutter Laboratories.6 It turns out that more than 200,000 of these children, living in five western and midwestern states (Arizona, California, Idaho, Nevada and New Mexico7), were injected with vaccines “in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective.” The Cutter-produced vaccines ended up causing 40,000 cases of polio. It severely paralyzed 200 children and killed 10.8

    Read more:
    http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2016/01/the-salk-polio-vaccine-tragedy/

    This 98% of people infected with polio had a complete recovery (and have life long immunity) and the symptoms resolved within 10-14 days.

    What About Polio

    http://www.alabasterliving.com/blog/what-about-polio

    There exists your REAL heard immunity, and non vaccine initiated. Where did polio go?

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Smallpox Eradication – One of History’s Biggest Lies & How Vaccination Did Not Eradicate Smallpox
    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/smallpox-eradication-one-of-historys-biggest-lies-how-vaccination-did-not-eradicate-smallpox/

    INDESCRIBABLY DISGUSTING VACCINE INGREDIENTS
    SO WHAT ABOUT THE FLY IN OUR SOUP?

    It may not do any harm at all, especially if it has been well heated in the soup!

    However, all injected substances including insect fragments bypass the body’s intricate defense mechanism. The same substances which are harmless when ingested are shown to be extremely detrimental to health when injected. This is learned by medical students and others, but many doctors, health authorities and other vaccine promoters appear to ignore this basic fact.

    Read more:
    http://birthofanewearth.blogspot.com/2012/01/indescribably-disgusting-vaccine.html

  • How are you blocked, but yet you are reply posting? What kind of insanity is that?

  • I didn’t say that, did I? I am tired of being pulled all over the place by a pack of piranhas posting information that can’t be verified.

  • Katia

    You are not required to respond to anyone on here.

  • Read the article, or are you to inept? Perhaps your level of shill denial will not allow you to. So people need to provide a screen shot of your paycheck, or you are not a paid trolling shill? You can talk all the denial that you want, but your end result as to credibility, still ends up at zero.

  • And I didn’t mention the nurses, did I? But since you mentioned it, the nurses are the same as the doctors – the ones who are willing to go against the tide in ANY walk of life, and stand up for what is right (endangering their livelihood in the process) are always in the minority. Thinking people who are also brave come along not so often.

  • You are a COWARD and because you use no actual identity DJEB, what is that? You see me? I use a real identity, and I have since 2009. I fear nothing, and never will, and because I believe in this vaccine truth mission, that much. What are you made of? Obviously you are not made of what I am.

  • I looked it up, and the two that they offered were between $37.00 and $43.00, or thereabouts. I didn’t go back to look at them again.

  • LOL. How lost in your in denial, entirely lying, and misinforming vaccine safety and effectiveness fantasy, are you? Unreal. Gorski is a liar, just face it. And that is all you people ever have? Pathetic.

  • from this link: http://www.sv40foundation.org/CPV-link.html

    Over the last forty years since its discovery, SV40 had become one of the most widely studied and best understood viruses in microbiology.[73] It was routinely used to create human cancers in the laboratory in order to test cancer therapies.[74] In addition, it is now known how this virus caused cancer on a molecular level. After careful study documented in peer reviewed publications, leaders in SV40 research announced that SV40 was a class 2A human carcinogen.[75]

  • So do you have studies to prove that all of this is safe, and as well when combined? How about when 5 and up to 9 vaccines are given in a single day and office visit. Lets see all of your studies?

    2 – Phenoxyethanol

    2-(ethylmercurithio) benzoic acid

    Acetic acid

    Acid hydrolysate (casein)

    African green monkey kidney cells

    Alcohol

    Alpha-tocopheryl

    Aluminum

    Aluminum adjuvant

    Aluminum hydroxide

    Aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate

    Aluminum oxide

    Aluminum phosphate

    Aluminum potassium sulfate

    Amino acids

    Aminoglycoside (antibiotic)

    Ammonium sulfate

    Amphotericin B

    Anhydrous disodium phosphate

    Arum triphyllum

    AS04C containing 3-O-desacyl-4- monophosphoryl lipid A

    Ascorbic acid

    Aspartame

    Bacillus anthracis

    Belladonna

    Benzethonium chloride

    Beta-propiolactone

    Boric acid

    Bovine (cow) serum

    Calcium carbonate

    Calcium chloride

    Casamino acids (casein)

    Cephalin (antibiotic)

    Chick embryo cells

    Chinese hamster ovary cells

    Chlortetracycline hydrochloride

    Cholera virus

    Dehydrate sodium hydrogen phosphate

    Dextran

    Dextrose

    Dibutyl phthalate

    Diethyl phthalate

    Diethylether

    Diphtheria CRM197 protein

    Diphtheria formoltoxoid

    Diphtheria toxoid

    Disodium dehydrogenate phosphate

    Disodium edentate (EDTA)

    Disodium phosphate dehydrate

    Dog kidney cells

    Dulbecco’s Modified Eagle Medium

    Egg protein

    Erythromycin (antibiotic)

    Ethylene glycol

    Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA)

    Fatty-acid ester-based antifoam

    Ferrum phosphoricum

    Fetuin

    Filamentous hemagglutinin (FHA)

    Formaldehyde

    Formalin

    Galactose

    Gelatin

    Gentamicin Sulfate

    Glutamate

    Glutaraldehyde

    Glycerine

    Glycine

    Glycol p-isooctylphenyl ether

    Haemophilus influenzae B

    Hemagglutinin culture flu viruses of type A(H1N1), A(H3N2)

    Hemin chloride

    Hexadecyltrimethylammonium bromide

    Histidine

    Human albumin

    Human cell Line: PER C6

    Human diploid cells (WI-38)

    Human Diploid cells: MRC5 proteins

    Hydrochloric acid

    Hydrocortisone

    Hydrogen succinate

    Hydroxypropyl methycellulose phthalate

    Influenza A virus hemagglutinin

    Influenza B virus hemagglutinin

    Influenzae polysaccharides

    Iron oxide red ci77491

    Iron oxide yellow ci77492

    Isotonic phosphate buffered saline

    Isotonic saline

    Isotonic sodium chloride solution

    Kanamycin (antibiotic)

    L-alanine

    L-histidine hydrochloride

    Lactose

    Latex

    Lecithin

    Lipoprotein OspA

    Liquid light paraffin

    M phosphate- buffered saline

    Magnesium chloride hexahydrate

    Magnesium stearate

    Magnesium sulfate

    Mannitol

    Marcol 82 (R)

    Medium 199

    Meningococcal Group C oligosaccharide

    Meningococcal group C polysaccharide

    Meningococcal polysaccharide serogroup Y

    Meningococcal polysaccharides W135

    Mercurius solubilis

    Mercury

    Mertiolyat

    MF59

    Mineral oil

    Mineral salts

    Minimum Essential Medium

    Monopotassium glutamate

    Monopotassium phosphate

    Monosodium Glutamate (MSG)

    Monosodium phosphate

    Montanide 80 (R)

    Mouse brain cells

    Neisseria meningitides OMPC

    Neomycin

    Neomycin sulphate

    Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide

    Octoxynol-10

    Ovalbumin (egg)

    Pertactin

    Pertussis toxin

    Pertussis Toxoid

    Phenol

    Phospholipids lecithin

    Pneumococcal Polysaccharide(s)

    Polyalcohols

    Polydimethylsiloxane

    Polyethylene glycol

    Polygeline

    Polymyxin B

    Polyoxidonium

    Polyribosylribitol phosphate

    Polysorbate 20

    Polysorbate 80

    Potassium chloride

    Potassium dehydrogenate phosphate

    Potassium dihydrogen phosphate

    Potassium diphosphate

    Potassium glutamate

    Potassium monophosphate

    Potassium phosphate

    Potassium phosphate- monobasic

    Protein contaminants

    Protein hydrolysate

    Rabies antigen

    Rabies: Human Immunoglobulin Antibodies

    Recombinant HBsAg protein

    Saline solution

    Salmonella Typhi bacteria

    Silicon

    Sodium acetate

    Sodium bicarbonate

    Sodium Borate

    Sodium carbonate

    Sodium chloride

    Sodium citrate

    Sodium deoxycholate

    Sodium dihydrogen phosphate dehydrate

    Sodium EDTA

  • Actually I own VacFacts, and that is not me?

    http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • You’re actually lying. So get your facts right.

  • The truth is the truth, so face it. That is exactly actually what Gorski is, and as to what he does. How are you blocked but yet reply posting, and/or editing; that makes no sense.

  • Miguel Maza López Pediatría Jo
  • Watson

    I’m aware you own VacFacts, Lowell. I’m also aware you’re not the owner of this site.

  • Yes, but the information that he gathered (from working as a medical editor) came from various sources, including medical journals. Inasmuch as vaccines have contained, and do contain, animal blood, pus, brain matter and other tissues, and therefore, foreign RNA and DNA (read about the effects of THAT in “Vaccinations and Immune Malfunction” by Dr. Harold Buttram), he included in that book “SLAUGHTER OF THE INNOCENT” a quote from a medical journal about vaccination causing leukemia. It was reading that quote which propelled me into the medical libraries to find out what else about vaccination hadn’t made it into the newspapers, or even the light of day.

  • Watson

    “campaign funds for influential members of Congress and presidential candidates … during the 1990 campaign and presents preliminary figures for the 1992 campaign”

    Got anything within say, the last 20 years, or maybe related to donations to state legislators in California, which was what Kathy was talking about?

  • It sounds like I am making far more sense than you are. And the fact is that I am not drinking any alcohol at all; and thus so what is your excuse? Such very sick and desperate attempts at false discreditation; only make YOU look bad. Wake up.

  • No vaccines are proven safe, just as they are not proven effective. The vaccine inserts state in plain language that the studies have never been done which show vaccines are safe. I’ve seen them. When I wrote my book on the subject, I compared what was being released in the media at the very exact same time information was printed in medical journals. I found the medical press releases saying that pneumococcal vaccine was found safe and effective, and urging people (high risk individuals especially) to get “their” vaccinations. The NEJM was reporting, however, that a placebo group fared better than the vaccinated, and “We were unable to demonstrate any efficacy of the pneumococcal vaccine in preventing pneumonia or bronchitis – Our data suggest that chronically ill patients who are most susceptible to infection may have an impaired immune response to the pneumococcal vaccine.” At the very same time as the media was first declaring shining success with measles vaccine, the NEJM also reported “Measles Outbreak in Fully Vaccinated Secondary School Population.”

  • It sounds liked you are in DEEP denial of the vaccine harm that as been done. And so why is that? Do you have a connection to vested interests in vaccines? What do they have to lose, if the real vaccine truth be known? So lets have you real name and occupation? If you refuse to provide that, then what is your expected level of credibility here? I would say that credibility level is at obviously a low level of, zero.

  • You can talk all the lying crap that you want, but the real truth is in plain site.

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • Junk science…you should be ashamed of yourself.

  • Let the readers decide that, and not you. How about if it says facts in the site title? Such as VacFacts? How impressive is your list of 10 proven vaccine trolling shills here, and with all of them clicking LIKE on your reply comments? I think it is pathetic that all you can get to like your posts are shills, and from what is a known as an obvious network of vaccine in denial trolling shills. Do you all work in the same office, and section of reply posting cubicles? How many hours per week are you getting?

    VacFacts
    http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • This is where I found the comparative donations for Pan and Anderson:

    maplight.org/california/legislator/1246-joel-anderson

    maplight.org/california/legislator/1397-richard-pan

  • KeyLimePi

    Nice programmed PR spiel there, lol.

  • KeyLimePi

    Written like the true PR agent, heheh.

  • KeyLimePi

    LMAO, you people are classic.

  • KeyLimePi

    You’re absolutely correct, and they almost all are not only connected but are paid astroturf “warriors,” they come out in a venomous drove at every opportunity. Check out this, showing how about 89% of healthcare workers themselves refuse vaccines when given the choice: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5912a1.htm#tab2 Those in the know say NO when not forced. That says volumes.

  • 20 vaccine shills liked your post. Nobodies last name is Navis. What is your real name? Maybe it is Mavis? Mavis C Vaccine Shill Meister? Is that a stolen picture off of google images? I think I know that woman? She works for a Pediatrician.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    As are mine. Both very successful.

  • KeyLimePi

    Yee haw, you tell ‘er, you being just regular down-home folk who just happen to be obsessed vaccine fanatics. Wow, LOL, this is actually becoming entertaining. Looks like I need to get outta here, your insanity may be contagious.

  • Just a bunch of complete hypocrites. If they actually had to take the current CDC childhood vaccine schedule, they would all be scattering and gone like rats running from a house on fire. Oh that’s right, rats will run right back into the fire and burn up, and much like these people have and will. They refuse to see and to learn.

  • How impressive is an argument on the vaccine subject matter, from a person with zero identity? What do you not get about that?

  • KeyLimePi

    Hey Kohl’s, do you realize that probably close to 100% of the commenters praising you for funding vaccines in here are industry shills and their “friends”? I really am a Kohl’s shopper, and unfortunately now will have to shop elsewhere, until you stop supporting the dictatorial vaccine industry. They’ve no business even suggesting forcing these things on anyone against our will. And yet, look at them.

  • Soarl

    Ad hominem, deflect, rinse, repeat.

  • Persephone Jade

    I feel even better about shopping at Kohls now! Thanks for the information. Always glad to know the places I patronize are pro science and anti tin foil hat wearing morons like yourself. Please continue to let us know all of the places at which we should shop.
    I love how the ignorant call anyone who is pro science a shill. If I was a shill I’d be driving a better car. I’m just smarter than you!

  • Persephone Jade

    I’m sure they won’t miss you

  • Persephone Jade

    Anti vaxxers never have anything of substance. They believe anything they’re afraid might be true and double down when given real science. That’s why I mock them. They refuse to learn and make themselves look stupid.

  • Graceds

    Thanks for your thoughts.

  • Marshall

    Pro-science? If you did any actual research you would know that vaccines ,just like GMO’s, gained traction through the subversion of science. And,your comment has done nothing to make your pro-vaccine case.All you have done is to criticize thinking individuals who want to know the truth.But,that is typical for those of you who only listen to the makers of these untested vaccines.

  • Marshall

    He’s only three.If you get all the CDC recommended vaccines you could very well end up with a vaccine injured child. Maybe not,but,very possibly.And,you might not know it for quite some time.It’s a game of Russian roulette.What is for sure though is that these vaccines do not guarantee a healthy child or that your child will not get the disease he was vaccinated against. And,vaccine injuries are becoming more common place.Vaccines are all about the money.Big pharma couldn’t care less about the safety or health of yours or anyone else’s child. Isn’t it good to know that if there is a problem that you can’t go back and sue the makers of the vaccine? And,that you could be arrested for child abuse! And,what you have learned in college is the bad science.Vaccines gained traction through the subversion of science.You will not learn the truth in college because what they teach is controlled by big pharma!

  • Marshall

    You better check again.Vaccines are a multi billion dollar industry.

  • Marshall

    Pro-science? Vaccines ,just like GMO’s,gained traction through the subversion of science. And,your comment does nothing to support a pro-vaccine argument.you only criticize thinking,open minded people who look for truth at other places than the makers of these potentially very dangerous vaccines. But,that is typical of any pro=vaccine pusher.

  • Marshall

    Actually,you have that backwards. Anti-vaxxers as you call them do the research instead of just mindlessly believing the makers of these vaccines.There are a number of doctors and researchers who have done the leg work already.Such as Dr. Suzanne Humphries Dr Tetyana Obukhanych Dr. Tenpenny Dr. Mercola just to name a few.But,here you are making such a comment with absolutely nothing to back it up. Iv’e said it before and I’ll say it again , vaccines gained traction through the subversion of science. Anytime independent research is done it contradicts the findings of the pharmaceutical corporation that made them.And,they are the only ones required to do the testing. They send their findings,which always come out as they want them to,to the FDA am WHO for analysis.But,no further testing is ever done. Except for the last part of the experiment,which is injecting it into the masses to see what happens.

  • Ali Reneé Carlson

    Praying for you and your misguided soul!

  • ione murphy

    Significant association between human osteosarcoma and simian virus 40

    The data from the current study indicate an association between OS and SV40. These data could be transferred to clinical applications for innovative therapies to address SV40-positive OS. Cancer 2014. © 2014 American Cancer Society…http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25377935

    Carcinogenesis. 2014 Feb;35(2):407-14. doi: 10.1093/carcin/bgt322. Epub 2013 Oct 15.

    Long-term exposure of mesothelial cells to SV40 and asbestos leads to malignant transformation and chemotherapy resistance.

    Cleaver AL1, Bhamidipaty K, Wylie B, Connor T, Robinson C, Robinson BW, Mutsaers SE, Lake RA.

    Expert Rev Respir Med. 2011 Oct;5(5):683-97. doi: 10.1586/ers.11.51.

    Simian virus 40 transformation, malignant mesothelioma and brain tumors.

    Qi F1, Carbone M, Yang H, Gaudino G.

    Cancer. 2015 Aug 1;121(15):2618-26. doi: 10.1002/cncr.29404. Epub 2015 Apr 15.

    Immunologic evidence of a strong association between non-Hodgkin lymphoma and simian virus 40.

    CONCLUSIONS:

    Our data indicate a strong association between NHL and SV40 and thus a need for innovative therapeutic approaches for this hematologic malignancy.

    © 2015 American Cancer Society.

  • ione murphy

    SV40 is a problem that federal government authorities have not addressed responsibly because the government’s own vaccine programs are responsible for the spread of the virus throughout the western world. Federal authorities are so concerned about being blamed for unleashing a cancer-causing monkey virus that they would rather ignore its role in cancer than take the appropriate steps to develop rational therapies.” -Dr. Horwin

    The National Cancer Institute has been silent about these facts. There needs to be more demographic studies to explore the relationship of SV-40 to adult onset cancers. Not surprisingly, the US government and its agencies are reluctant to pursue this matter. In fact, requests to the National Institute for Health for grants to study the SIV and simian cyto-megalovirus (SCMV) were recently denied

    Microbiologist Howard Urnovitz, Ph.D., may have an explanation as he stated in the Boston Globe:

    “That almost 100 million Americans were exposed (to SV-40) through a government sponsored program, but for over 30 {now 50} years, there has been virtually no government effort to see if anyone’s been harmed by the exposure.” He added, “The government will not fund science that makes it look culpable.”

    “The government has not sponsored any real research. Here’s something possibly affecting millions of Americans, and they’re indifferent,” Dr. Adi Gazdar, a University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center cancer researcher, said. “Maybe they don’t want to find out.”

    Despite ongoing denials, an increasing number of researchers continue to maintain that not only is there a bona fide link between Salk’s SV40-tainted vaccines and cancer, that federal government officials and agencies responsible for ensuring the safety of such vaccines – then and now – are loathe to admit it, perhaps because they fear the fallout in terms of lawsuits and lost credibility.

    sources; SF Chronicle, Boston Globe, SV40 Cancer Foundation

  • Ron Roy

    Katia is a paid pharmaceutical company shill. She’s on many other blogs / sites praising what she knows ( vaccines ) are harmful but money talks. Click on this link and see what real honest doctors and researchers have to say about vaccines:http://whale.to/vaccines.html

  • Ron Roy

    You are a troll you post on many different blogs / sites concerning vaccines.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Paranoid

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Delusions

  • Ron Roy

    I have made this offer many times to trolls, doctors, nurses etc, If anyone would care to debate with me on the history, efficacy and the safety of vaccines I will gladly pay all their expenses to come to my hometown ( Berlin NH ) where I will rent a place big enough to accommodate at least 400 people. One catch though at the end of the debate there will be a vote by show of hands as to who won the debate if you win you’ve had an all expense paid trip to the White Mountains of NH but if you lose I get reimburse all my expenses. Put your money where your mouth is.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    It must be tiring to see nefarious intent behind every tree…..

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Primary thought disorder?

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    The source you posted in no way says 89% refusal…..

    HCP working in intensive-care, burn, or obstetric units, or around seriously ill patients¶¶ were more likely to be vaccinated than other HCP for both seasonal influenza (70.2% versus 59.0%; p = 0.026) and 2009 H1N1 (48.2% versus 33.4%; p = 0.003). HCP with a bachelor’s degree or higher were more likely to be vaccinated for 2009 H1N1 compared with HCP with a high school diploma or less (41.9% versus 27.6%; p = 0.014). Educational status was not associated with receipt of seasonal influenza vaccination, nor was sex, age, or race associated with coverage of either vaccine type.

    It does say that as educational attainment rises so does vaccination rates. So the people in the know are more likely to vaccinate and seek vaccination.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    HCP working in intensive-care, burn, or obstetric units, or around seriously ill patients¶¶ were more likely to be vaccinated than other HCP for both seasonal influenza (70.2% versus 59.0%; p = 0.026) and 2009 H1N1 (48.2% versus 33.4%; p = 0.003). HCP with a bachelor’s degree or higher were more likely to be vaccinated for 2009 H1N1 compared with HCP with a high school diploma or less (41.9% versus 27.6%; p = 0.014). Educational status was not associated with receipt of seasonal influenza vaccination, nor was sex, age, or race associated with coverage of either vaccine type.

  • Red Ruffensor
  • Ron Roy

    One of my best friends, a lieutenant colonel and practicing microbiologist, made vaccines against germs that could be used in biological warfare and worked for the World Health Organization. After he retired lent him some of the information I had concerning the dangers of vaccines and after reading it I asked him if he children at this point in life if he would have them vaccinated? He said no damn way. He worked all his life making and administering vaccine but he admitted he was clueless as to the possible harm that could come from them. One of my questions, to him, was could there be an antibody response to any of the other components in the vaccine? His answered was yes and he admitted that he and his co workers had reservations about that but nobody wanted to make waves.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Read the hastings cedillo decision. In no way did the special master find a causal link.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedillo_v._Secretary_of_Health_and_Human_Services

    In fact the special masters have ruled against the theory of vaccinations causing autism.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/12/vaccine.court.ruling.autism/

  • Katia

    How does that make me a troll. It’s an interest of mine.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Because the literature doesn’t support your fixed unchanging beliefs?

  • Ron Roy

    My kids were never vaccinated and when they were in grammar school there was so big an epidemic of measles, in their school, that they cancelled school for a few days because of so many kids missing school. My kids played with others who had measles but yet they didn’t get the measles. All the other kids had had their measles vaccines so the excuse the local medical authorities gave was that the vaccinated must have received a bad batch. Really kids fro grades 1 to 6 all receiving vaccines from the same ” batch “?

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    I suggest you take time to learn to use pubmed. The cdc pink book, iom and who all have excellent sources.

  • Ron Roy

    The Helen Keller Foundation gives gives Vitamin A to children in third world countries to prevent measles and the blindness that could result in severe cases.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Shilling your own site…..

  • Joe Cogan

    It’s a shame that there’s no vaccine against paranoia.

  • Joe Cogan

    Medial professionals won’t debate you on vaccination for the same reason biologists normally won’t debate Creationists: it gives the false impression that there is actually a debate in the scientific community about the topic.

  • Joe Cogan

    There is ZERO evidence linking autism to vaccination.

  • Joe Cogan

    There is no evidence whatsoever that vaccinations cause leukemia. You’re spouting nonsense.

  • Joe Cogan

    Every nurse I know thinks anti-vaxxers are dangerous kooks. YMMV.

  • Katia

    Snort!

  • Katia

    Get thee to an epidemiology class. Yes, about 1% of people with polio got permanent paralysis. That’s still a lot of people! After the nuclear bomb, polio was the thing most feared in the 1950s.

  • Katia

    Oh, no, no, no, no! Vitamin A can reduce MORTALITY from measles in undernourished kids. It does nothing to prevent the disease in the first place. Here is a good article about it.
    http://www.who.int/elena/titles/bbc/vitamina_pneumonia_children/en/

  • Katia

    Atypical measles is a disease that can happen if exposed to measles following vaccination with killed measles vaccine that was used between 1963 and 1967, after which it was pulled from the market. Revaccination with live measles vaccine will prevent it from developing. Not everyone vaccinated during those years had the killed vaccine. The live vaccine was also released the same year.

    No boosters for measles vaccination are needed. The first dose should be given at 12-15 months; the second at 4-6 years. The purpose of the second dose is to catch those 5% whose first dose didn’t “take”.
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/meas.pdf

  • ione murphy

    Same companies that makes our kids vaccines charged with falsifying safety studies, intimidating scientists, and fined billions of dollars now in court for the mumps vaccine

    We have the mumps vaccine in court on claims the manufacture falsified the efficacy of the vaccine –Antitrust, FCA Claims On Merck Mumps Vaccine To Advance

    “We are pleased that the court has upheld our federal antitrust claim in this important case. While Merck has enjoyed an exclusive monopoly on the sale of mumps vaccine in the United States, mumps outbreaks continue to occur because, as we allege in our lawsuit, Merck has misled the public about the vaccine’s efficacy. This decision brings us one step closer to shining a light on Merck’s deceptive business practices ..”http://blogs.wsj.com/pharmalot…

    We have hearings about pharmaceutical companies trying to intimidate scientists over safety studies–Sen. Grassley’s floor statement regarding the intimidation of scientists in drug-safety deliberations

    http://www.finance.senate.gov/

    We have proof that these pharmaceutical companies that make our vaccines have also been convicted of crimes of fraud, bribery and hiding or falsifying safety studies on other drugs that have killed or injured many victims. http://projects.propublica.org

    We have proof of deceit and fraud in research. Fraudulent studies claiming that drugs were safe, when later proven there were actually NO test subjects enrolled but the results were just made up. (Vioxx and Bextra)…

    ‘A New Low in Drug Research: 21 Fabricated Studies’

    “Dr. Scott Reuben, who is accused of faking medical research studies, including some that were published in medical journals, was charged with health care fraud Thursday in federal court in Boston”

    “Glaxo is a leader in pharma fraud and wrongdoing, with other industry heavyweights close behind. Over the past decade, whistleblowers and government investigations in the US have exposed a never-ending series of problems by numerous pharma companies in all facets of the industry, starting with fraudulent “research” papers used to bolster marketing and continuing through to the manufacture of contaminated and defective products, the marketing of drugs for unapproved and life-threatening uses and the mispricing of prescription drugs” source Forbes

    ‘Medical Research Fraud: Professors Go Unpunished in Glaxo $3 Billion Guilty Plea Over Paxil-‘

    “The journal that published the fraudulent research has failed to retract it, and editor-in-chief Andres S. Martin, a professor of psychiatry at Yale, told the Chronicle he had no comment on the options the journal might take.

    Although Glaxo pled guilty and paid $3 billion in fines, none of the academics have been disciplined by their universities for their roles in perpetrating research fraud. Moreover, according to the Chronicle, several continue to receive federal grants from the National Institute of Health”..The Nation

    September 12, 2011 — Since 1996, $12 billion has been recovered from pharmaceutical companies in the United States for legal cases stemming from fraud and abuse, according to a new research article. More than three quarters of the 31 cases prosecuted were initiated by whistle-blowers, usually current or former employees.

    ‘Science Journal Pulls 60 Papers in Peer-Review Fraud’

    July10, 2014 source: The New York Times

    And another article…

    “In the past 2 years, journals have been forced to retract more than 110 papers in at least 6 instances of peer-review rigging. What all these cases had in common was that researchers exploited vulnerabilities in the publishers’ computerized systems to dupe editors into accepting manuscripts, often by doing their own reviews. The cases involved publishing behemoths Elsevier, Springer, Taylor & Francis, SAGE and Wiley, as well as Informa, and they exploited security flaws that — in at least one of the systems — could make researchers vulnerable to even more serious identity theft”…Source nature dot com-news-publishing-the peer- review-scam

    How about some more news headlines…

    ‘Fraud in medical journals increasing’

    “The percentage of scientific articles retracted due to fraud has increased approximately 10-fold since 1975, with a smaller increase in retractions due to error.”

    ‘Deceit and fraud in medical research’

    Abstract

    Deceit and fraud in medical research is a serious problem for the credibility of published literature. Although estimating its prevalence is difficult, reported incidences are alarming” source Journal-Surgery

  • Katia

    Without any citations, I’ll say your story is very hard to believe. Even in the Disney outbreak last winter, of those with vaccination records, 77% were UN-vaccinated.

  • Katia

    The only people getting atypical measles are those who got the old killed vaccine in 1963-67 and never got revaccinated. That is a very small subset of people.

  • Katia

    An here comes ione with her massive copy-pastas!

  • Katia

    OMG, whale_to! The guy that owns that site is an anti-semitic pig farmer who believes in lizard people. It’s too crazy even for a lot of anti-vaxers.

  • Katia

    Me, too! I don’t have little kids to buy for at the moment, mine are grown and not producing any! But I do like to buy gifts for “Toys for Tots” and the like, also like to keep a few around for friends’ kids who do have babies, so I’ll get those at Kohl’s from now on!

  • ione murphy

    The same thing is happening with vaccines

    “An on-going 8News investigation has exposed thousands of complaints about a commonly prescribed antibiotic prescribed for everything from sinus infections to urinary tract infections, has been nothing but a prescription for pain

    Now, a former FDA Commissioner comes under fire.

    “Tens of thousands of people throughout this country have been seriously injured and some died as a result of this dangerous drug.” — Attorney Larry Klayman

    8News reveals a federal lawsuit alleging that the Commissioner knew about the harmful effects of the drug but kept quiet for profit”….http://wric.com/2016/02/07/former-fda-commissioner-under-fire/

  • Katia

    I want to keep anti-vax idiots from hacking my account. I also want to protect my kids’ privacy. AVs have posted despicable cr*p on pro-vax kids’ facebook pages, etc.

  • Katia

    Vaccines are safe and effective. In a nutshell.

  • Katia

    More copy/pasta!

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    That will leave a mark…..

  • ione murphy

    You want more?? Ok!!

    For Immediate Release November 15, 2007 Sen. Grassley’s floor statement regarding the intimidation of scientists in drug-safety deliberations

    “Mr. President, just about three years ago on November 18, 2004, I convened a hearing on the worldwide withdrawal of Vioxx, a blockbuster pain medication.

    That hearing turned the spotlight on systemic problems at the Food and Drug Administration.
    We found that the FDA maintained a cozy relationship with the drug industry and suppressed scientific dissent regarding agency actions on drug-safety.

    At that Vioxx hearing, we also heard about Merck using its power, influence, and access to try and discredit FDA safety expert, Dr. David Graham.

    Merck also tried to intimidate Stanford researcher Dr. Gurkirpal Singh. The company warned him to stop asking for more safety data on Vioxx, despite the fact he was one of their consultants.
    What is troubling is that three years later, I am here with my colleague, Senator Baucus, to talk about another case where pharmaceutical executives used power, influence, and access to intimidate a medical researcher.

    In essence, another company wanted to put an end to another scientist who was voicing concerns about the cardiovascular risks associated with a drug.

    In this case, we are talking about the diabetes drug, Avandia.

    Today, Senator Baucus and I are releasing a staff report showing how executives at GlaxoSmithKline intimidated Dr. John Buse, a medical researcher at the University of North Carolina.

    Together, our respective staffs reviewed documents provided by the company and others, and they found bothersome internal emails that reveal how these pharmaceutical executives
    think.

    In these emails, high level company officials discussed the possibility of threats against Dr. Buse.
    These threats included the possibility of filing a lawsuit.

    Company executives called Dr. Buse an “Avandia Renegade” and had him sign a retraction letter they wanted to give to financial analysts.

    These analysts were evaluating the company’s products for investors.

    So what we have here are three cases where companies intimidated researchers who dared to express concerns about risky drugs. And in the case of both Vioxx and Avandia the drugs actually turned out to carry some serious risks.

    What I am here to say today, is that attacks on medical researchers by the pharmaceutical industry must stop. And stop now.

    Until this practice ends, I want to let America’s scientists know that I am very interested in their concerns.
    Scientists should feel free to contact my office if a pharmaceutical company threatens their career or attacks their reputation when they raise the alarm about a possibly dangerous drug.

    They can also anonymously provide information and documents by mail or by fax to the Committee. Here’s the fax number: 202-228-2131.

    I ask unanimous consent that this report be printed in the record.”

    http://www.finance.senate.gov/newsroom/ranking/sen-grassleys-floor-statement-regarding-the-intimidation-of-scientists-in-drug-safety-deliberations

  • Katia

    Snort!

  • ione murphy

    Katia, isn’t this your cue to accuse Senator Grassley and Senator Baucus of being quacks and nutjobs now?

  • Katia

    I didn’t bother reading it, ione! I’m frankly weary of your copy/pasta shtick.

  • sabelmouse

    are you still in school with your ”say it in your own words” criticism?

  • sabelmouse

    i always thought that many shills were students trying to pay back debts.
    not sure if i’m more sorry that you/they have that burden or for the lack of a conscience though some might actually believers.

  • sabelmouse

    lol!

  • ione murphy

    Mumps outbreak spreads beyond Ohio State campus, Mon March 24, 2014
    97% of those in the Ohio outbreak have been vaccinated.

    KIMBERLEY MUMPS OUTBREAK (in Washington State)

    July 24, 2015

    “The East Kimberley experienced a Mumps outbreak in March 2015, this has now spread to Broome and surrounding communities. To date there are 49 confirmed cases with many more mild or cases that may have gone unreported. The ages of people affected range from nine to 22 years and all have received two prior doses of Mumps vaccine.”

    July 28, 2015

    Illinois- Over 70 cases Mumps

    Officials at the Champaign-Urbana Public Health District say it started on the University of Illinois campus. Now, it’s spreading to others in the surrounding community. Many of those contracting the virus are vaccinated against it.”

    Most of the people who contracted mumps during the 2006 and 2010 outbreaks had received the recommended two-dose vaccination in their early childhood, meaning that the virus was spreading even among the vaccinated population. UGA researcher developing new vaccine to fight resurging mumps virus states “The virus is always evolving and mutating, and new viruses will emerge,” He said. “It’s only a matter of time until the old vaccine we have doesn’t work.”

    Pediatrician: Failure of pertussis vaccine “a matter of serious concern”

    Epidemics of the disease in 2005, 2010, and 2012 “suggest that failure of the DTaP vaccine is a matter of serious concern,” said Cherry, a professor at the David Geffen School of Medicine at the University of California, Los Angeles who specializes in infectious diseases at Mattel Children’s Hospital.

    “ I believe that better vaccines are something that industry, the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research of the Food and Drug Administration, and pertussis experts should begin working on immediately,” he writes.

    http://www.boston.com/whitecoatnotes/2012/08/30/pediatrician-failure-pertussis-vaccine-matter-serious-concern/d48GgjYHebOTaIkLE81UXJ/story.html

    Whooping cough vaccine fades in pre-teens: study

    Dr.Witt, an infectious disease specialist has a study published in March of 2012 in Clinical Infectious Diseases. He says that the pertussis vaccine was effective about 50% in children in general but only 24% of the time in 8-12 year olds.Witt and his team surmised that the effectiveness of the vaccine wears off after 5-7 years, creating the need for additional inoculations. The CDC said that the booster has never been approved for use in 7-9 year olds.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-04-03/lifestyle/sns-rt-us-whoopingcoughbre8320tm-20120403_1_pertussis-whooping-cough-vaccinated-children

    “According to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the booster shot to counteract waning immunity for pertussis came out five years ago. Now, there’s concern about how long the booster shot provides protection, because many kids who are up-to-date on immunizations, including the booster shot, still have contracted whooping cough. Public health officials agree on one thing: “We need a better vaccine for pertussis”, CDC spokesman Tom Skinner said…..http://m.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/wisconsin-has-highest-rate-of-whooping-cough-1s6hdpb-166524046.html

    “It’s an epidemic that has killed 32 babies and infected at least 100,000 Americans — most of them children — since 2012. But vaccine-averse parents aren’t the real culprits behind the spread of whooping cough. Inadequate vaccines are.”

    “Until we understand the pertussis germ better it is going to be difficult to develop new vaccines,” CDC’s Skoff said. “That’s where the research is focused right now.”

    NIH is supporting a range of pertussis studies, and various companies are at the early stages of testing new vaccines, but the prospects of success are remote. To compare any new vaccine against the existing shots might require immense trials lasting years and costing hundreds of millions of dollars

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/whooping-cough-epidemic-vaccine-issues-115177

    Five cases of secondary measles vaccine failure and transmission from previous fully vaccinated individuals to other fully vaccinated individuals

    In 2011 in NYC a 22 year old woman who had had 2 doses of MMR came down with measles and passed it on to 4 more people who had had their 2 doses or showed past positive IgG antibodies.

    http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/58/9/1205

    Measles among vaccinated Quebec kids-The Canadian Press

    Posted:Oct 20, 2011 9:35 AM ET

    “An investigation into an outbreak in a high school in a town that was heavily hit by the virus found that about half of the cases were in teens who had received the recommended two doses of vaccine in childhood — in other words, teens whom authorities would have expected to have been protected from the measles virus.

    It’s generally assumed that the measles vaccine, when given in a two-dose schedule in early childhood, should protect against measles infection about 99 per cent of the time. So the discovery that 52 of the 98 teens who caught measles were fully vaccinated came as a shock to the researchers who conducted the investigation”

  • bilingualmom

    It’s not paranoia, Joe. The original version of Senate Bill 277 in California, which just passed this past June, would have turned parents who made the medical decision that giving one or more of the multiple doses of ten mandated vaccines (including for chicken pox) was not right for their child, into someone who was breaking the law. It was only due to activist pressure that homeschooling was added as an option. It was only due to activist pressure that the word “contraindication” was removed from the definition of medical exemption. Educate yourself on the CDC web site about what qualifies as a contraindication, and then understand that most children who have had serious adverse reactions don’t qualify under those guidelines for a medical exemption to the vaccine that caused the reaction, let alone any of the many others. It is one thing for Kohl’s to provide vaccines and access to vaccines, it is quite another for Kohl’s to provide misleading advertising campaigns that pressure/ guilt parents into a medical decision, while mentioning nothing about possible side effects, the Vaccine Adverse Event Registry, or the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. I won’t support Kohl’s anymore either, until this changes.

  • bilingualmom

    While you are at it, please pray for my child who nearly died after receiving the Dtap. He started having seizures 24 hours after vaccine administration. The CDC says the risk of seizures after Dtap is one in 14,000. He has had to take medication twice a day ever since. Pray for all the other children who have had serious adverse reactions too, and their families who have had to deal with misguided souls who think that even though every other medicine under the sun can have side effects, for some reason vaccines – which have all kinds of chemicals in them – have none. Thank you for your prayers.

  • Joe Cogan

    That doesn’t address what I said. You accused “probably close to 100% of the commenters” of being “industry shills or their friends”, and implied that Kohl’s is trying to “force” vaccines on people. If you don’t understand how that qualifies as paranoid, I’m afraid I can’t help you.

  • Joe Cogan

    Or not.

  • carine
  • bilingualmom

    First of all, Joe, this was my first comment on this article, so “I” didn’t accuse anybody of anything, I was merely pointing out that implying that Kohl’s is trying to “force” vaccines on people is not paranoia. I specifically said there is a difference, in my opinion, between providing free access to vaccines, and the media campaigns that were mentioned in the article that pressure and guilt parents into making a medical decision that can have consequences, without mentioning any of those potential consequences. And it is not a stretch, given Kohl’s activities outlined here, that the organization supports all the bad vaccine laws that ARE in fact, trying to force parents’ hands to give their children all vaccines, concerns or not.

    Also, ever since I became involved in this issue (when SB 277 came onto the scene), I have come across the same commenters pushing vaccines over and over again, and have in fact discovered that many of them are paid or have connections to pharmaceutical companies. I wouldn’t say what the original poster said (that 100% are paid), because obviously there are lots of other people, just like me, who comment because they are passionate about it. But certainly some of them are in fact paid to comment on the internet. Vax Northwest, for example, is an organization that specifically hired parents who already have an interest in pushing vaccines to comment on social media.

  • Katia

    Snort!

  • Graceds

    Too bad the pharma lobbyists keep trying to ram through legislation abridging the right to refuse or delay vaccine(s) and interfere with the doctor patient relationship.
    That’s a shame.

  • bilingualmom

    Scarlett, the statement that pharmaceutical companies don’t make money off vaccines is absolutely untrue. Please research this further. Common sense should tell you this doesn’t make sense, but if you are a student, maybe you have not been in the real world enough to know that no multi national corporation produces a product because it gives them warm fuzzies. They do it because it makes them MONEY.

    In fact, if you look at the history of vaccine manufacturers, you will find that many companies did in fact stop making vaccines back in the early 80’s because it was no longer making them a lot of money, since they were being sued by parents of children who suffered adverse reactions. Then our government passed a law that gave them immunity from lawsuits. Now there is a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, paid for by a 75 cent tax on each vaccine – so the companies don’t pay a cent, all the parents giving their kids vaccines do.

    Another business principal to think about: even if you only give the product a few times, if you have a huge captive market, you’re set. With all the mandated vaccines across the country, and more being added every year, well – who wouldn’t want to be in the vaccine business? Guaranteed customers, immunity from lawsuits = HUGE profits! By the way, vaccines aren’t given once or twice – look at the 2016 recommended CDC schedule of vaccines – most of which are mandated, the rest parents are just pressured/ guilted into giving their kids – and you will just how many doses each child gets. I’d have to count it up to make sure, but I think I’ve seen data that shows that a child might get up to 69 doses of vaccines before they turn 18. 69 doses x the millions of kids across the country – you do the math!

  • Graceds

    RIF.

  • Jessica

    Oooh maybe I should apply, I bet they make more than chemists do!

  • Jeffersonian

    Well “Pro Science”, obviously you have read all of the studies that show autism can be brought on by vaccines. Ben Swann, investigative reporter, just took those SCIENTIFIC studies to experts, and low and behold our CDC is full of liars. Maybe you can tell those Doctors that they are a bunch of tin-foil hat wearers! The first step towards truth is to be informed. If vaccines were so safe, Congress wouldn’t have protected them and gave them the right to not disclose, or give accurate risks for complete information on their vaccines, along with immunity from lawsuits when their drug harms and kills. The only industry that can get away with murder and lies and have no liability!

    http://truthinmedia.com/truth-in-media-vaccine-court-and-autism/

  • eggman2

    It is stupid to assume that a corporation is doing anything without profits. They obviously need them to survive. After they make those profits they go on to make even more from the drugs that their permanently-disabled-by-VACCINES clients supposedly ( Many times those drugs make them worse. ) need.

    Yet there might even be more. My son, who was disabled by a vaccine, had an abulance called for him by the hospital, due to his disability. It cost the taxpayers $3,000 US. I am sure that the the junk medicine robber barons have investments in the ambulance service, the hospital, the educational prostitutions ( instead of institutions ) , and even the government itself.

  • eggman2

    Thanks.
    1) All those pesky little diseases spread because malnutrition and pollution ( like the one injected with the vaccine ) lowers one’s immunity. Those two things are common in our society.
    2) No vaccine ever works but to cause more disease. The only thing that works is nutrition and a clean environment, like nature intended.
    Watch ” In Defense of Food ” on PBS.
    3) There is no better VACCINE. Stupid people that claim that we need those will come to realize that all we need is to follow the rules of nature. In other words, the better vaccine, if at all possible, will just mimick nature, and that is the only thing that it can do. Therefore, not even that vaccine is needed. All you need is nature and to adhere to its rules.
    4) We can see in this information that most of the people that become sick are the vaccinated ones, as it should be expected because they have been given additional pollution that disrupts their physiology with the injection of VACCINES.
    5) When some idiot in the medical field tells you that you are 50% protected against something, just laugh. There is always a 50% chance when two things are involved: vaccinated or not vaccinated, flipping a coin,and, and so on.

  • eggman2

    Anyone pro science would not express itself like you. You sound more like a propaganda prostitute that gets paid by the junk medicine robber barons ( the vaccine makers ) to spread misinformation.

    And another thing, you are not worthy of my symbol. Take it off.

  • eggman2

    Same here

  • eggman2

    VACCINES are good for creating mentally deficient people with the brain damage that they cause, though. And by the way, my son, who was damaged by a vaccine, had one of his diagnoses as paranoid schizophrenia. So VACCINES can not prevent paranoia, but they cause it.

    Before his vaccinian ( directly caused by VACCINES ) illness my son used to be very sociable and loving kid . After the illness he became antisocial and withdrawn. A change in personality is evidence of brain damage.

  • Jeanne deWard

    Thanks for giving me another good reason to shop at Kohl’s! I will be supporting them by shopping there frequently.

  • Andrew Goldenkranz

    Good for them! A healthy community spends more at the store. And a company that stands up for community health is a good thing

  • ione murphy

    And not only are vaccines injuring our children and destroying our innate immune system, they are leading to more virulent evolution of viruses and bacteria

    “Vaccination; a driver of virus evolution?”

    Viruses, says infectious-disease expert Andrew Read, may be no different than any other organisms engaged in an ongoing predator–prey relationship, demonstrating a wide variety of responses to selection pressures. One of Read’s many interests is the evolution of virulence in response to vaccination”…Read more: http://www.utne.com/mind-and-body/vaccine-resistance-ze0z1411zcwil.aspx#ixzz3OHiKqsh3

    Bordetella pertussis populations evolve BECAUSE of the vaccine

    “The adaptation of B. pertussis to vaccination has been proposed as an explanation of recent epidemiological trends [69]. Indeed, many studies identified temporal variations in B. pertussis populations as a possible consequence of vaccine immune escape [70]. Serotyping—based on agglutination assays using antisera against antigens 1, 2 and 3—provided the first such evidence. In the UK, several studies documented a shift in the relative abundance of serotypes after the start of routine wP vaccination, from a predominance of serotypes containing antigen 2 (serotypes Fim2 and Fim2,3) in the 1940s to Fim3 in the 1960s [71]. Similar observations in other countries [72], particularly in Sweden during three consecutive periods with wP vaccination, no vaccination and aP vaccination [73], provided evidence of vaccine-driven evolution to serotype Fim3, hypothesized to be less antigenic and therefore at a selective advantage in vaccinated children [74].

    Using newer molecular typing methods, many studies have also documented shifts in allele frequencies of major B. pertussis antigens following inception of vaccination [69]. A prominent example is the resurgence of pertussis in the Netherlands, which coincided with the emergence and subsequent spread of a novel allele of the pertussis toxin promoter, suggested to improve fitness by increasing pertussis toxin production and severity of infections [75]. In the USA, where similar epidemiological trends have been observed since the 1980s, pertussis resurgence was associated with a mutation in the gene coding for fimbrial proteins, although the functional role of that mutation remains unclear [76].

    Based on the above observations, it has been proposed that vaccination has resulted in selection of more virulent strains that are more efficiently transmitted by previously primed hosts [69].”

    http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/283/1822/20152309

    Vaccine-resistant polio strain discovered

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141104111408.htm

    Hepatitis B: Immunologists discovered mutated vaccine-resistant viruses were causing disease

    Activity..http://journals.lww.com/jaids/Fulltext/2007/11010/Selection_of_Hepatitis_B_Virus__HBV__Vaccine.4.aspx

    Pneumonia, Meningitis Evolving To Evade Vaccines.These life-threatening pathogens are capable of evolving rapidly and developing genetic decoys that serve to disguise them from even the most powerful drugs…”http://vaccinenewsdaily.com/vaccine_development/317815-pneumonia-me…

    UGA researcher developing new vaccine to fight resurging mumps virus

    “The virus is always evolving and mutating, and new viruses will emerge,” He said. “It’s only a matter of time until the old vaccine we have doesn’t work.” http://news.uga.edu/releases/article/resurging-mumps-virus-vaccine-development-061312/

  • Joe Cogan

    How do you know your son’s illness was caused by vaccines? Correlation /= causality.

  • eggman2

    I have two qualifications as possible, so I always give the benefit of the doubt. People like you and your friends are either: 1) psychopathic propaganda prostitutes paid by the junk medicine robber barons (the vaccine makers ) to spread misinformation, or 2) extremely stupid people that believe that injecting ” GMO-putrefactive-biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens, mutagens,and teratogens ” (VACCINES) is good for one’s health.

    Psychopaths are people that lack emotional intelligence. A psychologist said that emotional intelligence is the most important one. I agree with that. If our founding fathers would have been psychopaths we wouldn’t have a nation. Emotional intelligence creates things; psychopathy destroys them.

  • Joe Cogan

    Wow. Not much that I can say in response to that other than “you’re a loony”.

  • eggman2

    Don’t be stupid, propaganda prostitute. You eat and you feel that your stomach is full–cause and effect. You get a shower and you feel clean–cause and effect. You get your toe smashed, you feel pain and your toe gets swollen. Are all propaganda prostitutes this stupid, that I must explain things this way, or do they fake it on purpose ?

    The same night of the same day when he got vaccinated, when he went to sleep, he didn’t wake up in the morning. He remained in a coma for about a week. The doctor said that he was going to die. When he woke up, his personality was changed; I knew him and I know him now because I am his father.

  • eggman2

    Thanks

  • eggman2

    Hope they go broke and close their stores.

  • eggman2

    And I suppose you will fully vaccinate your children to make them miserable for the rest of their lives. You could also vaccinate yourself and die from it. That last one wouldn’t be too bad for the benefit of your children and society.

  • eggman2

    Many smart people have been called loonies in history : Cristoforo Colombo, Einstein, Donald Trump,…, etc. Thanks, propaganda prostitute, I feel honored.

  • Joe Cogan

    That doesn’t answer the question. How do you know the vaccine was responsible? Try again without the insane ranting this time.

  • Joe Cogan

    Many loonies have been called loonies throughout history too, so don’t feel too honored; statistics aren’t on your side.

  • AutismDadd

    Sounds like a porker

  • Scott Plumer

    I knew there was a reason I liked Kohl’s.

  • Scott Plumer

    You mean VacTruth?

  • Scott Plumer

    That is the shittiest web site I have ever seen. And I first started on the web with Mosaic.

  • Scott Plumer

    How does one become a paid big pharma shill? I could use some extra money.

  • Ron Roy

    You’re right they do make money off long term diseases like diabetes, cancers, auto-immune disease like fribromyalgia, CIDP, MS, parkinsons and a myriad of allergies all cause by vaccines.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Borditella is a bacterial not a viral infection. You do realize that failing to understand the difference makes you look misinformed…..

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    i maintain my personal privacy for the same reasons.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Please cite reputable sources to support your allegations.

    There is no there there for your claims.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Schizophrenia like autism is quote likely a condition that starts in utero.

    Read up on chromosome 22 deletion. It probably explains half of the cases of mental illness and learning disabilities.

  • Ron Roy
  • Ron Roy
  • Ron Roy

    I already did debate with a pediatrician, at a lecture he was giving on vaccines, at a local hospital and that’s when I realized how easily it is to prove them wrong and how little they know about vaccines. By the way I buried him! I later found out that doctor never vaccinated his own kids. He had been practicing medicine for over 30 years.

  • KeyLimePi

    @Viking: Looks like you’re pretending you don’t know how to interpret a statistic table. Do take a break from your spin-doctored propaganda mode. The table shows exactly what I said, well almost. Only 11.3% of healthcare workers being vaccinated for the H1N1 flu when it was neither recommended nor required means that 88.7% of them refused the H1N1 vaccine when given the option, despite all the panic being foisted on the public to get them out there to be vaxxed up. Sorry to have rounded it up to 89% and been so tragically in error, lol. The rest of your education elitism fluff is equally intimidating, lol, yet it’s disturbing to think there are tyrants like you working in medicine. Stop your quest for power over other people’s life decisions. You’ve no business behaving this way, and neither has anyone else.

  • Ron Roy

    Good response. I see your 45 years as a practicing nurse has paid off.

  • KeyLimePi

    How convincing.

  • KeyLimePi

    Right, everything’s about you, your ego, and your money.

  • KeyLimePi

    What we need “vaccines” against are egotism, power hunger, and resulting tyranny.

  • Katia

    It means I don’t believe you.

  • Katia

    And yet still, 400-500 people died annually, and that number had leveled off, pre-vaccine. There is just so much medicine can do.

  • ione murphy

    You do realize that failing to read my first sentence of my comment where I say viruses AND bacteria makes you look like you don’t comprehend what you read.

  • eggman2

    Are you propaganda prostitutes that stupid that you don’t understand cause and effect ? He was not that way after the vaccine, and immediately after the vaccine and vaccinian illnes, caused immediately after the vaccine, his personality had changed.

  • eggman2

    You try to stop your psychopathic idiocy.

  • Katia

    From a woo source! Fuggeddaboudit! NWMT

  • ione murphy

    More diseases caused by bacteria that are evolving around the drugs and vaccines used to treat them.

    Tuberculosis Becoming More Drug-Resistant Worldwide

    August 30, 2012-Experts grow increasingly concerned about the growing resistance of antibiotics to tuberculosis. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/tuberculosis-drug-resistant-worldwide/story?id=17107153&page=2

    Tuberculosis, which was considered to be defeated by antibiotics, also has emerged as a serious problem, as the number of cases of antibiotic-resistant tuberculosis has grown, says William Schaffner, a professor at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine.

    “The widespread use of vaccinations may trigger bacterial adaptations leading to antibiotic-resistant bacterial diseases and vaccine-resistant viral diseases.

    This can happen through several mechanisms. These include mutation (Hepatitis B vaccine), reversion to virulence (Oral Polio vaccine) or strain replacement (Prevnar 7). Strain replacement, in the case of Prevnar 7, meant that following widespread vaccination with Prevnar 7, other pneumococcal strains that were not included in the vaccine became much more likely to cause pneumococcal infections.

    In the United States ear infections, sinus infections, bronchitis, pneumonia and meningitis, which are often caused by pneumococcal bacteria or hemophilus, have become much harder and more expensive to treat because of increasing resistance to antibiotics. This is due in part to the widespread use of the Prevnar vaccine.”

    ‘Pneumonia, Meningitis Evolving To Evade Vaccines.’
    “These life-threatening pathogens are capable of evolving rapidly and developing genetic decoys that serve to disguise them from even the most powerful drugs

    The research team also found that the bacteria were able to switch multiple portions of their genome at the same time, meaning resistance can develop more quickly than originally thought.

    “This is of particular concern, as recombination involving multiple fragments of DNA allows rapid and simultaneous exchange of key regions of the genome within the bug, potentially allowing it to quickly develop antibiotic resistance,” the researchers said, BWorldOnline.com reports.”

    …”http://vaccinenewsdaily.com/vaccine_development/317815-pneumonia-me…

  • Katia

    FUD

  • Katia

    I feel like you are an idiot. Just the vibe I’m getting. “Jeffry John Aufdereheide”.

  • ione murphy

    You could send your stuffed animals you get from Kohls to the mass grave site of the orphans who died being guinea pigs, so your kids could have “safer” vaccines.

    “Over 2,000 care-home kids were secretly vaccinated against diphtheria in the 1930s in medical trials undertaken by international drugs giant Burroughs Wellcome, Irish media reveal. Among the testing sites was a recently discovered mass grave. . The reports come on top of a shocking revelation in Tuan, western Ireland, where a mass grave for almost 800 children was unearthed just a few days ago. Most of the bodies from the facility for unwed mothers and their children were dumped in a sewage tank without coffins. Following the discovery and reports of medical tests, Irish Premier Enda Kenny ordered ministers to search for further mass baby graves”.

    http://rt.com/news/164884-irish-baby-scandal-vaccines/

    Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse (C.I.C.A) Vaccine Trials Inquiry Ireland

    More than 210 infants and babies, some 123 of whom were in the care of the state, took part in three confirmed trials to test vaccines between 1960 and 1973

    http://www.paddydoyle.com/category/vaccine-trials/

    Orphans Used In Tainted Polio Trials

    Sydney Morning Herald
    Gary Hughes

    A federal agency used babies in orphanages and children’s homes to test a new quadruple antigen vaccination that included polio vaccine possibly contaminated with a monkey virus since linked to cancer.

    Commonwealth Serum Laboratory records show the trials were carried out on babies as young as three months in five institutions between December 1959 and early 1961.

    The Age revealed in 1997 that Victorian babies homes and orphanages had been used by several medical and research bodies, including CSL, for trials of a range of experimental vaccines.

  • Tony S

    As soon as they mention “Creationists” they’re done; nothing says I’m a shill more that that! Zero credibility, just another attempt to discredit.

  • Tony S

    Ask all the other paid pharma shills here to put in a good word for you.

  • CumExApostolatus

    Don’t waste your time. There are none so blind…..

  • CumExApostolatus

    I haven’t shopped at Kohl’s in many, many years. I have no plans to return.
    I knew of its ties to pharma and globalism years ago. The CEO of CVS is of the same ‘bent.’ Unfortunately, most chains are in bed with the gov-co-pharm-military industrial complex and are to be avoided whenever, and wherever possible.

    In addition, I stopped allowing myself to be used and coerced into giving “just a dollar” at the checkout for ANY and ALL so-called ‘charities’. They are bogus. I usually ask the person working the cash register what disease exactly, he or she can name, that the medical industry has cured in the last 100 years after the hundreds of billions that have been collected from the naive public and spent on ‘research’. I most often get a glazed look at first, but then, if the person isn’t completely dead behind the eyes, a look of comprehension may start to form and I tell the person about sites like this.

  • CumExApostolatus

    What the CDC documents say about vaccines – Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1VwVBmx0Ng

    Dr. Rebecca Carley – True Weapons of Mass Destruction
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WoMps4Pmpo

    There are many more videos available on you tube…

  • Such a very LOW level of mentality. That was the best you could do.

  • How hypocritical. Attempting to bash a website which as to the historian and historical recordings of history, is actual representative of real historical fact, and as recored by those that lived at the time And while you yourself are simply promoting the tabloid junk of the rationalwiki site. A site in which anyone can write those article hit piece opinion pieces, and in which nothing ever is, and nor ever needs to be established and verified as to being the factual truth.

  • That is simply just more false fear mongering, and it never ends.

    So tell me, is Gardasil and the new Gardasil 9 actually safe to get? I think not.

    WHO, CDC, GACVS Mislead On HPV Vaccine Safety, Alleges MD In Open Letter
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/who-cdc-gacvs-mislead-hpv-vaccine-safety-alleges-md-open-letter

    SEVERE GARDASIL INJURIES & COVER-UP! ~ Mothers Speak at NYC City Hall 1-20-16
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4I1_bcj4Ow

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

  • Been there.

    Simply Put, (extended version)

    Simply put, they have zero existing studies in regard to the actually multiple vaccines safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule. They have zero existing safety studies in regard the known practice of injecting into a small child anywhere from 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit. They never will have any such studies.

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDc vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiological studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”

    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these

    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”

    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine

    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”

    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    14 Studies

    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)

    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked

    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    The Emerging Risks of Live Virus &

    Virus Vectored Vaccines:

    Vaccine Strain Virus Infection, Shedding & Transmission

    http://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/Live-Virus-Vaccines-and-Vaccine-Shedding.pdf

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease

    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    The truth about the measles, natural immunity, and the vaccine

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-truth-about-the-measles-natural-immunity-and-the-vaccine.html

  • Not at all, and just what sort of a major twist in your mind would come up with that one word claim? That was the best you could do?

  • I am not even close to being nefarious and nor obviously as in denial crazed as you obviously are. Do all you shills work within the same cubicle arrangement? Would that be in the basement of a building, or upstairs where you can actually see daylight?

  • Providing direct information is not shilling. You are a shill, and that is what shilling actually means, you complete hypocrite.

  • Really? Actually science is catching up with the times. To bad the CDC continues to fail to acknowledge that. And how obviously severe is your own primary thought disorder. Such complete…hypocrisy. It does not matter how badly you lie and deny all. The purpose of this reply posting is for the readers to have access to the truth.

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • And what is your point? You have none.

    Here, this is the kind of information you rally need to focus on. Again far more harm than good being done, with vaccines.

    The Currently Failed Flu Vaccine Expose/ With Original Antigenic Sin Study Info
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-currently-failed-flu-vaccine-expose-with-original-antigenic-sin-study-info.html

  • Ron Roy
  • Ron Roy

    I did a search on Corrie Navis on MyLife she lives in Ypsilanti,
    MI
    48197 her phone number is…………and she works in the medical field.

  • Ron Roy

    I see you’re in complete denial. Any source that says anything detrimental concerning vaccines you call a woo source. Your brainwashing is complete or you hate to admit you were wrong for 45 years.

  • Ron Roy

    I see you haven’t even read any of the information on that site. I use it all the time when debating with doctors and nurses and I ALWAYS end up burying them. No contest most medical professionals are clueless when it come to vaccines.

  • MechBFP

    Good job Kohl’s! Thank you for being a responsible part of society.

  • Tony S

    Brilliant!

  • ione murphy

    61 Million Dollar Settlement With Payout Over Child’s Expected Lifetime Negotiated by Attorneys at Maglio Christopher & Toale, P.A. for DTaP Vaccine Reaction

    (June 21, 2011 – WASHINGTON, D.C.) S.M.* was born a normal and healthy baby girl in August 2005, weighing 7 lbs. 12 ounces. Two months later, her short, healthy life changed tragically because of a rare and severe vaccine reaction.

    Only hours after baby S.M. received a routine diphtheria, tetanus and acellular pertussis (DTaP) vaccination, she started to have seizures, abnormal breathing, irregular heartbeats, and at 6:05am the next morning, her heart stopped completely. It took 6 minutes of CPR to revive her. She has spent that last 6 years of her life suffering from cognitive delays, cerebral palsy, encephalopathy, and seizure disorder; all because of an unexpected adverse reaction.

    http://www.mctlawyers.com/vaccine-injury/cases/

    $42 Million Dollar Vaccine Injury Structured Settlement
    $3,007,943.69 lump sum payment, plus annual payments starting at $471,688.00 who sustained severe injuries resulting in brain damage, ventilator and feeding tube dependency following receipt of the mandatory vaccinations required at 2 months of age (DPT, IPV, HIB, Hep B and Prevnar) for Past Medical Reimbursement, Pain and Suffering, Future Lost Wages and Life Care needs.

    $60 Million Flu Vaccine Structured Settlement
    $1,822,845.00 lump sum payment to a child who suffered Guillaine Barre syndrome following influenza vaccine and remained a quadriplegic at 3 years of age, with additional annual payments of over $375,000 a year for life.

    $40 Million Vaccine Structured Award
    The parties to a National Vaccine Compensation Claim today agreed not to seek a review and to accept a decision, dated March 31, 2000, by Special Master Laura Millman of the United States Court of Federal Claims. The decision awards a life-care plan, which will pay $40 Million to a Brooklyn girl who requires constant medical attention for her developmental disabilities and seizures that resulted from a whole-cell DTP vaccination. Britcher Leone, LLC successfully prosecuted this case involving complex medical issues. The plan will provide in excess of $8 million in present value benefits and $40 million in payments, if the child lives to age 76.

    $19 Million Vaccine Structured Award
    A Paterson girl suffered retardation, seizures and behavioral disorders from a rubella vaccine. Our firm alleged that the vaccine, which led to her being stricken with encephalopathy, caused her disabilities. The $19 million total payments to be received are based on the girl’s life expectancy of age 75.

    http://www.medmalnj.com/Verdicts-Settlements.shtml

    $40 Million for an Encephalopathy Victim: Attorneys Larry Cohan and David Carney obtained a settlement of $9 million with a lifetime payout of $40 million on behalf of a child who suffered a rare reaction to the chicken pox vaccine that led to permanent health problems.

    $11.6 Million for a Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) Victim: Larry and David obtained a $4.5 million settlement with an expected lifetime payout of $11.6 million on behalf of a 24-year-old woman who was paralyzed as a result of GBS after receiving a flu shot.

    $3.5 million award for a man who became permanently paralyzed after receiving a flu vaccine.

    $610,000 award for a child who was diagnosed with transverse myelitis after receiving his childhood vaccinations.

    $2 million award for a woman who was diagnosed with GBS and paralyzed as a result of an influenza vaccine.

    $460,000 Settlement for a Chronic Inflammatory Demyelinating Polyneuropathy (CIDP) Victim: A woman was diagnosed with CIDP after receiving a flu vaccine.

    $850,000 award for an elderly man who became paralyzed as a result of the influenza vaccine.

    $500,000 award for a former nurse who was diagnosed with Guillain-Barré Syndrome as a result of a TDaP vaccination.

    Dozens of six-figure settlements over the last three years for clients who have been diagnosed with Guillain-Barré Syndrome, transverse myelitis, CIDP, or lupus as a result of various vaccines such as the influenza vaccine, TDaP, Varicella, and Gardasil.

    http://www.anapolweiss.com/vaccine-injury/

  • Joe Cogan

    Yeah, my children and grandchildren are so miserable that they missed the joys of measles, diphtheria, and polio.

  • eggman2

    Thanks propaganda prostitute, stupid people, like you , have always called smart people like Cristoforo Colombo, Einstein, Donald Trump,…,etc., loonies.

  • Joe Cogan

    I understand cause and effect perfectly well. Do you understand that correlation and causality are not synonyms? You’re caught up in a Post Hoc fallacy.

  • eggman2

    They will get cancer instead. And they probably suffered some brain damage, but you are not that smart to figure it out.

  • eggman2

    Tetanus is a bacteria. And I have never taken a tetanus shot, preferring to take mega doses of vitamin C instead.

  • eggman2

    He is probably autistic from so many VACCINES. Lol , an autistic Viking.

  • eggman2

    All of which means that VACCINES are failing, and nature was and can do fine without them. Watch ” In Defense of Food ” on PBS, and look out for the Hadsa tribe there.

  • Joe Cogan

    LOL! Suuuure, vaccines cause cancer decades later. Is there no woo you won’t swallow?

  • eggman2

    Sure, after all that ” good ” biohazardous material they got injected with, what do you expect ?

  • eggman2

    Blah, blah, pure bu££$hit,…,the money signs again, that is what you are interested in, propaganda prostitute.

  • I learned a very long time ago who to trust, and who not to, and I always start at the opposite end of the spectrum and work my way back to the middle when I see agencies that have been bestowed with so much power. Where did that power come from? There always appears to be a great deal of corruption involved.

    How the government’s vaccine policy is infected by corruption

    http://www.sott.net/article/267953-How-the-governments-vaccine-policy-is...

    Congressman Posey Accuses CDC Over Corruption – AGE OF AUTISM

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/04/congressman-posey-accuses-cdc-over..

  • BS.

    US Court Awards Multi-Million Dollar Payouts To Two More …

    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/us-court-two

    Italian Court Rules MMR Causes Autism – AGE OF AUTISM

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/05/italian-court-rules-urabe-mumps-strain...

    AND this one, from the government, admits “encephalopathy” (tomato, tomahto) accompanied by “abnormalities of the bowel” (my,my, isn’t that what Wakefield said, and they crucified him for it? The corruption is so deep, it stinks to hell)

    National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

    http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation

  • Perhaps we both have too many, because I just had one eliminated, too.

  • ione murphy

    The booster isn’t doing any better than the vaccine, and has never been tested in younger children…

    “The Tdap booster is meant to protect against pertussis, or whooping cough, tetanus and diphtheria. The study found it protected about 69% of adolescents against whooping cough in the first year after vaccination, but protection dropped to 57% of adolescents in the second year, then 25% and 9% in the third and fourth years after vaccination, respectively.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/health/tdap-whooping-cough-vaccination/index.html

    Naturally immunity from having pertussis can last 20 years or more, while with the present vaccine that is known to cause death and injury to some children, you would have to get revaccinated every few years, and even then you may still get it.

    Some vaccine injuries caused just from the DTaP vaccine-
    10/2/2012—Diphtheria, Tetanus, Acellular Pertussis Vaccine—Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)—Case No. 10-265V —$125,000
    5/19/2011—Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis Vaccine (DTaP)—Cerebral Palsy, Encephalopathy, Seizure Disorder,Cognitive Delays—Case No. 08-463V—$61 Million Over Expected Lifetime
    3/23/2011—Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis (DTaP) Vaccine—Neurologic Injury—Case No. 08-348V—$200,000
    3/7/2011—Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis Vaccine (DTaP)—Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)—Case No. 09-834 V—$175,000

  • Joe Cogan

    I take it that’s a “no”.

  • Jenniffer

    Thank you, VikingAPRNCNP, for making the point that the NVICP is fallible. The vaccine “court” has denied compensation to 100s of kids, alive and dead. I think we can all agree that what was set up to be a non-conflict forum where children injured (or killed) by vaccines could receive some form of monetary compensation that would help with their care and support forever has turned into a battleground were the petitioners are up against the full force of the government’s vaccination industry. It is ridiculous to imagine that the special masters haven’t been given the brief to DENY all claims that they possibly can. That is exactly why the Poling case is so interesting. Dr. Poling is a neurologist. The case was settled out of court because the gov’t did not want to lose such a high profile case AND with an out-of-court settlement, the written *decision* is meaningless.
    None of this takes away from the fact that Hannah Poling was vaccinated with 9 vaccines in one day, she was subsequently dx’d with autism, she will need help and support for her life and you the US taxpayer are paying the $20 million that the NVICP decided to pay her for the injury incurred after vaccination.
    So, any way you play it there are children injured or killed by vaccines. That is why the NVICP was set up to begin with and it is broken, as you pointed out.
    As for the special masters ruling against vaccines causing autism – why is that news? Well-paying jobs are hard to come by and special masters understand who butters their bread.

  • ione murphy

    Largest National Nurses Union Opposes Mandatory Flu Vaccination as Condition of Employment

    Nurses also call for Pharma representatives to step down from federal vaccine board and include a direct-care RN

    Hospital-based registered nurses, who are members of National Nurses United, will make a statement before the Health and Human Services National Vaccine Advisory Committee in a public forum on Tuesday in Washington, D.C. NNU, with 170,000 RN members, is the largest professional association and union of direct-care registered nurses in the United States, with more than 95 percent of the nurses working in acute-care hospitals.

    NNU RNs will speak in opposition to NVAC’s Recommendation #4, “Healthy People 2020”, which mandates that all healthcare providers receive a flu vaccination as a condition of employment. NNU joins the Occupational Safety and Health Agency, and other major healthcare unions and organizations, who say there is insufficient evidence for the federal government to promote mandatory influenza vaccination programs that might result in employment termination.

    American Nurses Association
    Does NOT support hospital mandation policies, and believes exemptions should be allowed:
    http://www.nursingworld.org/Fu

    National Nurses United
    Does not support mandatory vaccination policies in the workplace:
    http://www.nationalnursesunite

    Massachusetts Nurses Association:
    http://www.massnurses.org/news

    OSHA
    Does not support vaccination mandates, and states that there is “insufficient scientific evidence” for such policies:
    http://assets.usw.org/resource

    SEIU
    Does not support mandatory vaccination policies. Also states that there is insufficient evidence for healthcare workers to be forced to wear masks:
    http://www.seiu.org/images/pdf

    Backus Federation of Nurses
    Strongly opposed to mandatory vaccination policies:
    http://cga.ct.gov/2013/PHdata/

    American Association of Physicians and Surgeons
    Opposes mandatory vaccination rules, AND mask wearing:
    http://www.aapsonline.org/inde

    Association of Occupational Health Professionals in Healthcare:
    Do not support mandatory vaccination policies.
    http://www.aohp.org/aohp/porta

  • ione murphy

    So how old were you when you got you polio vaccine?

    “In 2002, three leading SV40 experts (Drs. Gazdar, Butel and Carbone) who have been involved in studying SV40 for a number of years wrote:

    “[1]t is our opinion that SV40 should be included in the list of group 2A carcinogens – that is, those that are probably carcinogenic to humans.”
    — Gazdar AF, Butel JS, Carbone M., SV40 and human tumours: myth, association or causality? Nat Rev Cancer. 2002 Dec;2(12):957-64.

    “Sixty-two papers from 30 laboratories from around the world have reported SV40 in human tissues and tumors,” he said. “It is very difficult to believe that all of these papers, all of the techniques used and all of the people around the world are wrong.”

    “For four decades, government officials have insisted that there is no evidence the simian virus called SV40 is harmful to humans. But in recent years, dozens of scientific studies have found the virus in a steadily increasing number of rare brain, bone and lung-related tumors – the same malignant cancer SV40 causes in lab animals,” the report said. “Even more troubling, the virus has been detected in tumors removed from people never inoculated with the contaminated vaccine, leading some to worry that those infected by the vaccine might be spreading SV40.”

    Dr. Michele Carbone of Loyola University Medical Center in Maywood, Ill., told the paper he believed the virus was carcinogenic in humans.

    “We need to be creating therapies for people who have these cancers, and now we may be able to because we have a target – SV40,” he said.

    Others say the few government studies regarding the potential link have been flawed.

    “The government has not sponsored any real research. Here’s something possibly affecting millions of Americans, and they’re indifferent,” Dr. Adi Gazdar, a University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center cancer researcher, said. “Maybe they don’t want to find out.”

    Despite ongoing denials, an increasing number of researchers continue to maintain that not only is there a bona fide link between Salk’s SV40-tainted vaccines and cancer, that federal government officials and agencies responsible for ensuring the safety of such vaccines – then and now – are loathe to admit it, perhaps because they fear the fallout in terms of lawsuits and lost credibility.”

    http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Rogue-virus-in-the-vaccine-Early-polio-vaccine-2899957.php

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Those are not reputable sources or aggregators. If I had used whale.to as a source in an epidemiology class I would have been ripped a new one by both classmates and advisers.

  • Katia

    “Been There”? The heck you have! No one who dismisses all the polio deaths in the US like that knows diddly about epidemiology.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    All those deaths from smallpox, polio, measles, diphtheria, tetanus, etc. are just made up. Right.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Isn’t it great that we have a system to compensate people injured by vaccines? But if you are injured by wild polio, whom exactly do you sue then?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    In other words, Mr Hubbs appears to agree with whale.to about the Zionist and Catholic conspiracies (among others). I have often observed that conspiracy cranks buy their theories wholesale.

  • Jenniffer

    Autism Speaks is a pharma-lobby group at best so try not to heed a thing they say.

    You are correct, there are no studies because there have been none done. Even by those who thing vaccines are magic and especially not by those who make vaccines because then the jig would be up.

    Imagine for a moment, a study of vaccinated kids vs unvaccinated kids. What do you think would come to light? Now why do you think that the wealthiest nation on earth nor the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world have not already done this study? Do they also have doubts about the vaccine paradigm? They must or else they would do the study and shut us up for good.

    You fail to understand that your point is exactly what we already know about the NVICP and that is this: compensation is often paid when the adverse event cannot be explained by any other cause, no matter how hard the gov’t’s *experts* try. In fact this means that the vaccine/s is the most likely culprit and so the *court* awards for the compensable injury. I don’t need to point out that this is exactly the remit of this *court*….do I?

  • Jenniffer

    Now that is funny! Healthy people at Kohl’s! Ha! Where do you live, Andrew?

  • Ron Roy

    I’m not surprised that you belittle those sources however I highly recommend them because they have served me well in helping me completely destroying anyone who believes,or is paid to lie, about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines. Here is just one one example of what you can find on the Whale Vaccine site, and what one highly respected and accomplished researcher discovered, concerning the flu vaccine: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/flu11.html

  • Katia

    Along with 18 other countries, many of whom were in before the US. The AVs are always ranting about how immunization policies are better in “other countries”.

  • Thomas Johnson
  • WAKE THE HELL UP LAZARUS….YOU HAVE BEEN LIVING A LIE ….AND WITHIN YOUR LIES….MUCH TO LONG!!!!

    The Present Status of Polio Vaccines

    Excerpts:

    A full discussion of both these issues can be found in the Polio section of my book The Vaccine Guide. The criteria for diagnosing polio did change when the vaccine was introduced in the 1950s and this change in diagnosis apparently reduced the statistic for the number of polio cases dramatically. Monkey kidney cells are used to produce the oral vaccine and controversy rages about the contamination of OPV with monkey viruses. For a complete review of these issues, see the book. Here is one quote from the book. Dr. Bernard Greenberg, a biostatistics expert, was chairman of the Committee on Evaluation and Standards of the American Public Health Association during the 1950s. He testified at a panel discussion that was used as evidence for the congressional hearings on polio vaccine in 1962. During these hearings he elaborated on the problems associated with polio statistics and disputed claims for the vaccines effectiveness. He attributed the dramatic decline in polio cases to a change in reporting practices by physicians. Less cases were identified as polio after the vaccination for very specific reasons. Prior to 1954 any physician who reported paralytic poliomyelitis was doing his patient a service by way of subsidizing the cost of hospitalization and was being community-minded in reporting a communicable disease. The criterion of diagnosis at that time in most health departments followed the World Health Organization definition: Spinal paralytic poliomyelitis: signs and symptoms of nonparalytic poliomyelitis with the addition of partial or complete paralysis of one or more muscle groups, detected on two examinations at least 24 hours apart. Note that two examinations at least 24 hours apart was all that was required. Laboratory confirmation and presence of residual paralysis was not required. In 1955 the criteria were changed to conform more closely to the definition used in the 1954 field trials: residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days after onset of illness and again 50 to 70 days after onset…. This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely, paralytic poliomyelitis with a longer-lasting paralysis. Furthermore, diagnostic procedures have continued to be refined. Coxsackie virus infections and aseptic meningitis have been distinguished from paralytic poliomyelitis. Prior to 1954 large numbers of these cases undoubtedly were mislabeled as paralytic poliomyelitis. Thus, simply by changes in diagnostic criteria, the number of paralytic cases was predetermined to decrease in 1955-1957, whether or not any vaccine was used. Read more by use of the below link:

    The Present Status of Polio Vaccines (Document written in the 1950’s) Clearly and obviously the change in polio diagnosis and re-definition right after the vaccine was in use, significantly reduced the polio case numbers, and not the polio vaccine.

    http://www.greatmothersquestioningvaccines.com/uploads/2/8/8/8/2888885/ratner_1960.pdf

    The whole situation has clearly been nothing but a corrupt lie.

    Polio Vaccine – Page 1
    http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/polio.htm

    Polio Vaccine – Page 2
    http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/polio2.htm

    Polio Vaccine – Page 3
    http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/polio3.htm

    March 5, 1961 – The Truth About the Polio Vaccines | Chicago Tribune Archive http://ow.ly/X9jHR
    http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1961/03/05/page/62/article/the-truth-about-the-polio-vaccines

    The REAL History Behind the Polio Vaccine
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/the-real-history-behind-the-polio-vaccine/

    The Salk Polio Vaccine “Tragedy”

    During mid-April of 1955, about 400,000 people—mostly schoolchildren—in the U.S. were vaccinated with the Salk vaccine manufactured by Cutter Laboratories.6 It turns out that more than 200,000 of these children, living in five western and midwestern states (Arizona, California, Idaho, Nevada and New Mexico7), were injected with vaccines “in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective.” The Cutter-produced vaccines ended up causing 40,000 cases of polio. It severely paralyzed 200 children and killed 10.8

    Read more:
    http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2016/01/the-salk-polio-vaccine-tragedy/

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Smallpox Eradication – One of History’s Biggest Lies & How Vaccination Did Not Eradicate Smallpox
    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/smallpox-eradication-one-of-historys-biggest-lies-how-vaccination-did-not-eradicate-smallpox/

  • That is not what I am saying at all, you demented and entirely sick, a$$ hole. I have only referenced to the historical history regarding the medical establishment and vaccines. They are not one and the same as what exists on the rest of the whale.to site. You in other words you are not interested and nor concerned about the real history and as it was recorded. For how many years as well now, have you had that very sick profile picture, on your FB and Discus profile? What an extremely in denial, and very SICK man you actually are. WOW.

    SORRY, IN THE VACCINE DEBATE, THE ‘EXPERTS’ ARE THE HISTORIANS

    Do you want to know who are the real experts in the debate on vaccine safety and efficacy? No, it’s not the scientists. Nope, it’s not the medical researchers. Nah, not the doctors. It’s the historians — those who know history and understand the lessons of history, and argue passionately against mindlessly repeating the mistakes of the past — those who do not have financial interests, conflicts of interest, or personal agendas.

    Those who understand the human toll of the DDT (Dichloro-diphenyl-trichloroethane) fumigations during 1946-1972. Those who understand the human tragedy of DES (Diethylstilbestrol) given to pregnant women during 1938-1971. Those who understand the human horror of using Thalidomide to alleviate morning sickness in pregnant women beginning in 1957. Those who understand the countless and ongoing recalls of prescription drugs such as Vioxx that kill or maim hundreds of thousands of patients.

    And finally, those who understand that the so-called “experts” in whom we’re supposed to confide and trust have consistently gotten their wonderful “science” dead wrong. Let me give you a short history lesson.

    Beginning in 1946, the US government conducted a nationwide mass fumigation campaign using the extremely toxic chemical DDT. The goal was to exterminate mosquitoes, which were believed to be spreading polio. As the DDT campaign proceeded, the incidence of polio began to noticeably rise. DDTfumigation in the US reached its peak in 1951. Polio reached its peak in 1952, with nearly 58,000 reported cases, in which 3,145 people died and 21,269 were left with disabling paralysis. In 1952, the DDT fumigations were subsiding. In 1953, polio cases were also subsiding at about the same rate. By 1953, the number of polio cases had dropped by nearly 40%.

    During the 30 years before it was banned in 1972, a total of approximately 1,350,000,000 pounds of DDT was used in the US.

    In 1954, medical researcher and virologist Jonas Salk came up with his inactivated injectable polio vaccine. That same year, the government redefinedpolio. According to Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Department of Biostatistics of the University of North Carolina School of Public Health:

    In order to qualify for classification as paralytic poliomyelitis, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for at least 60 days after the onset of the disease. Prior to 1954, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for only 24 hours. Laboratory confirmation and the presence of residual paralysis were not required. After 1954, residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days and again 50 to 70 days after the onset of the disease. This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely, paralytic poliomyelitis with a longer lasting paralysis.

    In other words, under the new definition of polio, thousands of cases which would have previously been counted as polio would no longer be counted aspolio. The change in the definition laid the groundwork for creating the impression that the Salk vaccine was effective. It was kind of like a golfer being given a stroke handicap, or when you spot someone points in a basketball game.

    ————

    So in summary, the US government decided to try and wipe out the scourge of polio by fumigating the country with more than one billion pounds of DDT, which ended up actually causing the polio epidemic of the 1940s and 1950s. Hundreds of thousands of people died or suffered greatly. But the government misdiagnosed the cause of the epidemic, and so it moved to vaccinate nearly two-thirds of the population — about a hundred million people — and many more around the world with vaccines that actually caused paralysis in tens of thousands of people and were contaminated with a wild monkey virus found to produce cancer.

    We may never know for sure whether SV40 is one of the main contributors to the steady rise in cancer rates in the US during the past half century. But you have to wonder. If so, it would be a tragedy of historic proportions. Not only because of the human toll taken by the disease, but because it would all have been so unnecessary had the government opted against poisoning the country with DDT in the first place. One bad decision led to another bad decision, and on and on. It’s as if government officials and bureaucrats have this special talent for being unable to see the forest for the trees. And we the people — the trusting people — always seem to be the ones who pay for it.

    Read more:
    https://idsent.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/sorry-in-the-vaccine-debate-the-experts-are-the-historians/

    Scientific proof that the known cancer causing SV40 virus, a previous contaminant in the polio vaccine, is obviously either contagious; or the virus is still in the vaccine/s.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

    THE MYTH OF MEASLES ERADICATION

    The CDC can declare measles was eliminated. You see, it knows how to declare the elimination, it just don’t know how to achieve the elimination. And that’s really the most important part of the elimination: the achieving. Anybody can just declare.

    There was a total of 86 reported cases of measles in the US in 2000. There were outbreaks before 2000, and there have been outbreaks every year since. Measles has never been eliminated or eradicated in the US. But the impression you might get from the CDC is that it was, and that someone came along and messed up everything.

    Read more:

    https://idsent.wordpress.com/2015/02/25/the-myth-of-measles-eradication/

    MEASLES, MERCK, AND FRAUD

    The measles outbreak in the United States has fueled fear within the public and among legislators throughout the country intent on eliminating or severely restricting the right to informed consent by people who have questions about the efficacy, safety, and scheduling of certain vaccines. Get a grip. It’s measles, not Ebola.

    —–

    It’s all very simple. The reason measles is spreading is because everyone just hasn’t gotten vaccinated. So go out and get your MMR. Hey, there’s no harm in it.

    Well, that would make sense if, in fact, the vaccine was as effective as the CDC claims it is. You see, it’s not so clear. The CDC states that the MMR vaccine is 95% effective. But that’s the figure given to the institute by the vaccine’s manufacturer, Merck & Co. The CDC is taking Merck’s word for it. Which would be fine… to a point. Except that on August 27, 2010 two scientists at Merck filed a False Claims Act complaint against their company for falsifying its mumps vaccine test data.

    The case was explained well in an article by Lawrence Solomon in The Huffington Post titled, “Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims.”

    Read more:
    https://idsent.wordpress.com/2015/02/24/measles-merck-and-fraud/

  • Really? That which is in front of you is point blank and directly clear evidence that every epidemiological study that has ever been done, is clearly nothing but, JUNK science As for polio.

    SORRY, IN THE VACCINE DEBATE, THE ‘EXPERTS’ ARE THE HISTORIANS

    Do you want to know who are the real experts in the debate on vaccine safety and efficacy? No, it’s not the scientists. Nope, it’s not the medical researchers. Nah, not the doctors. It’s the historians — those who know history and understand the lessons of history, and argue passionately against mindlessly repeating the mistakes of the past — those who do not have financial interests, conflicts of interest, or personal agendas.

    Those who understand the human toll of the DDT (Dichloro-diphenyl-trichloroethane) fumigations during 1946-1972. Those who understand the human tragedy of DES (Diethylstilbestrol) given to pregnant women during 1938-1971. Those who understand the human horror of using Thalidomide to alleviate morning sickness in pregnant women beginning in 1957. Those who understand the countless and ongoing recalls of prescription drugs such as Vioxx that kill or maim hundreds of thousands of patients.

    And finally, those who understand that the so-called “experts” in whom we’re supposed to confide and trust have consistently gotten their wonderful “science” dead wrong. Let me give you a short history lesson.

    Beginning in 1946, the US government conducted a nationwide mass fumigation campaign using the extremely toxic chemical DDT. The goal was to exterminate mosquitoes, which were believed to be spreading polio. As the DDT campaign proceeded, the incidence of polio began to noticeably rise. DDTfumigation in the US reached its peak in 1951. Polio reached its peak in 1952, with nearly 58,000 reported cases, in which 3,145 people died and 21,269 were left with disabling paralysis. In 1952, the DDT fumigations were subsiding. In 1953, polio cases were also subsiding at about the same rate. By 1953, the number of polio cases had dropped by nearly 40%.

    During the 30 years before it was banned in 1972, a total of approximately 1,350,000,000 pounds of DDT was used in the US.

    In 1954, medical researcher and virologist Jonas Salk came up with his inactivated injectable polio vaccine. That same year, the government redefinedpolio. According to Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Department of Biostatistics of the University of North Carolina School of Public Health:

    In order to qualify for classification as paralytic poliomyelitis, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for at least 60 days after the onset of the disease. Prior to 1954, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for only 24 hours. Laboratory confirmation and the presence of residual paralysis were not required. After 1954, residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days and again 50 to 70 days after the onset of the disease. This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely, paralytic poliomyelitis with a longer lasting paralysis.

    In other words, under the new definition of polio, thousands of cases which would have previously been counted as polio would no longer be counted aspolio. The change in the definition laid the groundwork for creating the impression that the Salk vaccine was effective. It was kind of like a golfer being given a stroke handicap, or when you spot someone points in a basketball game.

    ————

    So in summary, the US government decided to try and wipe out the scourge of polio by fumigating the country with more than one billion pounds of DDT, which ended up actually causing the polio epidemic of the 1940s and 1950s. Hundreds of thousands of people died or suffered greatly. But the government misdiagnosed the cause of the epidemic, and so it moved to vaccinate nearly two-thirds of the population — about a hundred million people — and many more around the world with vaccines that actually caused paralysis in tens of thousands of people and were contaminated with a wild monkey virus found to produce cancer.

    We may never know for sure whether SV40 is one of the main contributors to the steady rise in cancer rates in the US during the past half century. But you have to wonder. If so, it would be a tragedy of historic proportions. Not only because of the human toll taken by the disease, but because it would all have been so unnecessary had the government opted against poisoning the country with DDT in the first place. One bad decision led to another bad decision, and on and on. It’s as if government officials and bureaucrats have this special talent for being unable to see the forest for the trees. And we the people — the trusting people — always seem to be the ones who pay for it.

    Read more:
    https://idsent.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/sorry-in-the-vaccine-debate-the-experts-are-the-historians/

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign, (and historical failures of the past small pox vaccine campaign)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Scientific proof that the known cancer causing SV40 virus, a previous contaminant in the polio vaccine, is obviously either contagious; or the virus is still in the vaccine/s.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

    March 5, 1961 – The Truth About the Polio Vaccines | Chicago Tribune Archive http://ow.ly/X9jHR
    http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1961/03/05/page/62/article/the-truth-about-the-polio-vaccines

    The REAL History Behind the Polio Vaccine
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/the-real-history-behind-the-polio-vaccine/

    The Salk Polio Vaccine “Tragedy”

    During mid-April of 1955, about 400,000 people—mostly schoolchildren—in the U.S. were vaccinated with the Salk vaccine manufactured by Cutter Laboratories.6 It turns out that more than 200,000 of these children, living in five western and midwestern states (Arizona, California, Idaho, Nevada and New Mexico7), were injected with vaccines “in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective.” The Cutter-produced vaccines ended up causing 40,000 cases of polio. It severely paralyzed 200 children and killed 10.8

    Read more:
    http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2016/01/the-salk-polio-vaccine-tragedy/

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Smallpox Eradication – One of History’s Biggest Lies & How Vaccination Did Not Eradicate Smallpox
    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/smallpox-eradication-one-of-historys-biggest-lies-how-vaccination-did-not-eradicate-smallpox/

    Dispelling Vaccination Myths (Part 2)
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/have-ddt-and-polio-vaccines-been-used-for-population-control/

    INFORMED CHOICE

    Polio vaccine and simian virus 40 (SV40)

    http://www.informedchoice.info/polio.html

    Did Vaccines Really Eradicate Polio?
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/did-vaccines-really-eradicate-polio/

    HISTORICAL MANIPULATION, SMALLPOX, AND POLIO
    http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/history.php

    The polio vaccine: a critical assessment of its arcane history, efficacy, and long-term health-related consequences http://www.thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf

    Jenner’s son suffered brain damage and died after smallpox vaccination

    What Most People Don’t Know About The Father of Vaccination and Why History is Repeating Itself
    http://preventdisease.com/news/14/031014_Most-People-Dont-Know-About-Father-Vaccination-History-Repeating-Itself.shtml

    The real story of the covered up failure of the small pox vaccine.
    History Repeats Itself: Lessons Vaccinators Refuse to Learn, by Jennifer Craig, PhD
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/04/17/history-repeats-itself-lessons-the-vaccinationists-refuse-to-learn-by-jennifer-craig-phd/

    Smoke, Mirrors, and the “Disappearance” Of Polio, by Suzanne Humphries, MD
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/11/17/smoke-mirrors-and-the-disappearance-of-polio/

    CDC and Friends Sprinting Towards the Polio “Finish Line,” by Suzanne Humphries, MD
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/06/11/cdc-and-friends-sprinting-towards-the-polio-finish-line-by-suzanne-humphries-md/

    Suzanne Humphries, MD
    http://drsuzanne.net/dr-suzanne-humphries-vaccines-vaccination/

    Interview with Dr Suzanne Humphries, with Mike Adams, of Natural News
    http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=bae7f6323813cfafb8338173fb11d429

    Smallpox Vaccine: Origins of Vaccine Madness
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2010/02/26/smallpox-vaccine-origins-of-vaccine-madness/

    Vaccination: A Mythical History ~ by Roman Bystrianyk and Suzanne Humphries MD

    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/08/27/vaccination-a-mythical-history-by-roman-bystrianyk-and-suzanne-humphries-md/#sthash.03Vj2X4E.dpuf

    Vaccinations & Smallpox

    By Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, DO

    http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/vaccinationsandsmallpox11nov02.shtml

    Smallpox was declared eradicated, yet still infects humans today. By Viera Scheibner,

    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/04/02/smallpox-declared-eradicated-while-still-alive-and-well-by-viera-scheibner-phd/

    The Decline of Smallpox in Great Britain – Vaccination in Doubt. It includes a critique of Edward Jenner’s book and theories.

    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/articles/truth-about-decline-of-the-infectious-diseases.html

    Decline of Diseases Prior to Available Vaccine Graphs

    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Mumps_Eng_Wales

    Link Index for Graphs – A quick way to see Historical Trends

    http://www.vaclib.org/links/graphs.htm

    Compulsory Vaccination Killed More Than Smallpox

    http://nocompulsoryvaccination.com/2014/03/08/compulsory-vaccination-killed-more-than-smallpox/

    A short history of Smallpox Vaccine

    V. Thirty Years of Rapidly Decreasing Vaccination in Leicester, and its Teachings.

    Excerpts:

    (1) The great manufacturing town of Leicester, with nearly 200,000 inhabitants, affords the most conclusive proof of the uselessness of vaccination that it is possible to have; and the doctors and government officials carefully avoid dealing with it except to prophecy evils which have never come to pass.

    Down to 1872 Leicester was one of the most completely vaccinated towns in the kingdom, the number of vaccinations, owing to alarm after epidemics, several times exceeding the number of births. Yet in 1871, at the very height of its good vaccination record, it was attacked by the epidemic with extreme severity, its small-pox deaths during that year being more than 3,500 per million of the population, or about a thousand per million more than the mortality in London during the same epidemic. If ever a test experiment existed it is this of Leicester, where an almost completely vaccinated community suffered more than unvaccinated and terribly insanitary London, on the average of the last forty years of the eighteenth century.

    But even more conclusive evidence is to come.

    (2) That fearful mortality destroyed the faith of Leicester in vaccination. Poor and rich alike, the workers and even the municipal authorities began to refuse vaccination for their children. This refusal continued till, in 1890, instead of 95 per cent. the vaccinations reached only 5 per cent. of the births! [[p. 17]] As this ominous decrease of vaccination went on the doctors again and again prophesied against it, that once small-pox was introduced it would run through the town like wildfire and decimate the population. Yet it has been introduced again and again, but it has never spread; and from that day to this no town in the kingdom of approximately equal population has had such a very low small-pox mortality as this almost completely unvaccinated and–as the doctors say–unprotected population! Surely this completes the demonstration that vaccination, instead of preventing, increases the liability to small-pox, and that the only way to abolish the disease is to do as Leicester did, leave off vaccination altogether and devote our energies to sanitation, and the isolation of such rare cases as do occur.

    Germany: 1870-1871 Over 1,000,000 people had smallpox of which 120,000 died. 96% of these had been vaccinated.

    Philippines: 1918-1919 Smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. (2) with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine’s history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place owing to

    religious prejudices. (2)

    Scotland: 1855-1875 over 9,000 children under 5 died of smallpox despite Scotland being, at that time, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world.

    1907-1919 with only a third of the children vaccinated, only 7 smallpox deaths were recorded for children under 5 years of age.

    [Thats right, the vaccine truth people were right, all along. We were mislead, and lied to. Jenner caused far more harm than good.]

    Read more:

    http://www.vaclib.org/legal/MTstate/smallpox.pdf

  • You mean the CDC?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    After you finish shilling for your book, you didn’t answer whom I sue for wild polio. Such a long tangential non-answer.

  • What book is that, Lazarus; is there a book being written? Where?

    So in your obviously beyond crazed and idiotic mind you actually think that someone should sue for injury from so called, wild polio? Unless some human being actually invented and made a polio virus, what sort of negligence would you sue for? Vaccines are made by human beings. What is it that you so fail to comprehend regarding the workings of average court and standard legal system?

  • Hi FIVE on that. These people just REFUSE to understand, and to get it. Thanks eggman.

  • Wake up …FOOL!!! All toxic vaccines are contaminated by whatever vile substance the antigen was grown from. There is no way to clean that up, and no way to get that contamination out of the vaccines. Not any more today, than there was the technology to do so in the early 1960’s. You can not screen the same size substrate substances from a vaccine which are the same size and or bigger than the antogen; otherwise you would have nothing. How simple is this and is that? Do you actually think that you need to be an immunologist and or a rocket scientist, to comprehend that? Really? Wow.

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    Fernanda Martini1, Alfredo Corallini2, Veronica Balatti1, Silvia Sabbioni2, Cecilia Pancaldi1 and Mauro Tognon1*

    Corresponding author: Mauro Tognon

    Author Affiliations

    1 Department of Morphology and Embryology, Section of Cell Biology and Molecular Genetics, School of Medicine, and Center of Biotechnology, University of Ferrara, Via Fossato di Mortara, 64/B. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    2 Department of Experimental and Diagnostic Medicine, Section of Microbiology, University of Ferrara, Via Luigi Borsari, 46. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    Excerpted:

    A source of human exposure to SV40 occurred between 1955 and 1963, when inactivated and live anti-polio vaccines, prepared from polioviruses grown in naturally SV40-infected simian cell cultures, were administered to hundreds of millions of people in the United States, Canada, Europe, Asia and Africa [63]. Soon it was shown that children vaccinated with contaminated oral polio vaccines (OPV) shed infectious SV40 in stools for at least 5 weeks after vaccination [64]. However, some children, who received the same OPV, did not develop neutralizing antibodies even though they may have received large doses of live SV40, compared with the potentially inactivated SV40 in inactivated polio vaccine (IPV). Further, SV40 human contamination occurred in experimental infection with live respiratory syncytial virus to adult volunteers and a neutralizing antibody response in about two thirds of the volunteers was shown [65]. Inactivated vaccines against adenoviruses [66] and hepatitis A [67] virus also exposed humans to SV40, although the amount of infectious SV40 was almost certainly lower then that administered with OPV or live respiratory syncytial virus.

    Additional serologic studies reported a SV40 seropositivity in individuals with no history of immunization with contaminated IPV or other possible route of SV40 infection [69-72]. Shah et al., [72]

    These studies suggest that humans may become infected by SV40 independently from poliovirus vaccine exposure. However, most of these early serologic studies were carried out before the discovery of the two human polyomaviruses, BK and JC, which are close related to SV40 and are ubiquitous in human populations. It is possible that the early serologic evidence of SV40 antibody detection in human sera represents some degree of cross reactivity with antibodies against the highly related BK and JC viruses [73-75].

    To date, the prevalence of SV40 infections in humans is not known. Recent studies, based on PCR and serological techniques, indicate that SV40 infection occurs both in children and adults. (i) SV40 DNA sequences have been detected in normal and neoplastic tissues of people either too young (1 to 30 years) or too old (60 to 85 years) to have been vaccinated with SV40-contaminated anti-polio vaccines [19,33,76-81]. This finding may also explain the lack of difference in cancer incidence between individuals vaccinated with SV40-contaminated and SV40-free anti-polio vaccines [82]. (ii) SV40 sequences and Tag were detected in blood and sperm specimens from normal individuals and oncologic patients [80,81,83-88] and in lymphoblastoid cells [32]. These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    Scientific proof that the known cancer causing SV40 virus, a previous contaminant in the polio vaccine, is obviously either contagious; or the virus is still in the vaccine/s.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

  • I have had a tetanus vaccine as a child, but never again.

    Tetanus Shot: Just as Bad as Other Vaccinations
    http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/tetanus-shot-just-as-bad-as-other-vaccinations/

    Why You Never Need A Tetanus Vaccine, Regardless of Your Age or Location
    http://preventdisease.com/news/13/050713_Why-You-Never-Need-A-Tetanus-Vaccine-Regardless-of-Your-Age-or-Location.shtml

    5 Reasons I Won’t Get a Tetanus Shot
    http://holisticsquid.com/when-to-get-a-tetanus-shot/

  • Katia

    Didn’t you just mention your book “The Vaccine Guide “? Oh, you mean you DIDN’T write it? Who did then?

  • Thomas Johnson

    All this science talk gets overwhelming for Lowell sometimes.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    So, we can have man-made vaccines, and you get compensation in case of injury; or we can have many, many more permanent injuries from the wild diseases, and no compensation.

    The latter seems much worse, unless you have the antivaxer understanding that Clean Living stops all those diseases (but not vaccine injury). As you “know”, all those polio epidemics affected only losers who didn’t know how to use toilet paper.

  • MH

    Thank you for reminding me that t I should continue to shop at Kohls. Vaccines save lives!

  • MH

    Hubbs is a convicted felon who has no credibility at all on this topic or any other.

  • MH

    A gathering of tinfoil hat wearers is just a gathering of tin foil hat wearers and nothing else.

  • Reynaud

    Is this the same Dr. Rebecca Carley who had her New York medical license suspended in 2004 with a finding that the physician was guilty of practicing while impaired by a mental disability and having a psychiatric condition which impairs her ability to practice medicine?

    http://w3.health.state.ny.us/opmc/factions.nsf/58220a7f9eeaafab85256b180058c032/777c474f253ed8d085256d5f0053955e/$FILE/lc175786.pdf

    Read the court document – It’s a real hoot!

  • Dixie Gainer

    How many deaths from each disease, and where does it show they stuffed because of vaccination?

  • Dixie Gainer

    I meant stopped instead of stuffed

  • So you choose to not continue to learn? So then just say it.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    If you fish where the fish are you will catch fish. The 5 flu shot finding is most readily explained by aging of the subject pool. From up to date

    ]. In the Mayo Clinic Study of Aging, the population-based incidence of MCI in individuals over age 70 years was estimated at 5 to 6 percent per year [50].

    The incidence of MCI differs by subtype and is higher in men: the Mayo Clinic Study of Aging.
    AU
    Roberts RO, Geda YE, Knopman DS, Cha RH, Pankratz VS, Boeve BF, Tangalos EG, Ivnik RJ, Rocca WA, Petersen RC
    SO
    Neurology. 2012 Jan;78(5):342-51. Epub 2012 Jan 25.

    If you add 5 cases per hundred every year simple aging will explain increasing incidence. Flu shots uh see in us practices are single dose vials. That means essentially zero thimerosal. Whale.to is worthless. The rest of that article is just as easily debunked.

  • MH

    I have learned mockery is the only appropriate response to someone who spend many years in prison for DWI’s and likes to call babies funny looking.

    The local stores must finally have enough crayons in stock so someone can complete his magnum opus.

  • It is all lies; does this woman actually appear to you, to be crazy? You appear to be far more crazy, than she is. You simply believe anything that you are told, and of that which resides within the pro-vaccine camp.

    Vaccines-The True Weapons Of Mass Destruction
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WoMps4Pmpo

    The Medical Mafia, Vaccines, Satanism & more – Birth of a New Earth TV with guest Dr. Rebecca Carley
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZklkPVderA

    How about these doctors?

    Doctors speak on vaccines

    NATURAL MOMMALYNN·THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 2015

    What do they have to loose? Everything! They are speaking out anyway!

    Doctors who explain clearly why vaccines aren’t safe or effective. Version 2.0.

    1. Dr. Nancy Banks – http://bit.ly/1Ip0aIm

    2. Dr. Russell Blaylock – http://bit.ly/1BXxQZL

    3. Dr. Shiv Chopra – http://bit.ly/1gdgh1s

    4. Dr. Sherri Tenpenny – http://bit.ly/1MPVbjx

    5. Dr. Suzanne Humphries – http://bit.ly/17sKDbf

    6. Dr. Larry Palevsky – http://bit.ly/1LLEjf6

    7. Dr. Toni Bark – http://bit.ly/1CYM9RB

    8. Dr. Andrew Wakefield – http://bit.ly/1MuyNzo

    9. Dr. Meryl Nass – http://bit.ly/1DGzJsc

    10. Dr. Raymond Obomsawin – http://bit.ly/1G9ZXYl

    11. Dr. Ghislaine Lanctot – http://bit.ly/1MrVeUL

    12. Dr. Robert Rowen – http://bit.ly/1SIELeF

    13. Dr. David Ayoub – http://bit.ly/1SIELve

    14. Dr. Boyd Haley PhD – http://bit.ly/1KsdVby

    15. Dr. Rashid Buttar – http://bit.ly/1gWOkL6

    16. Dr. Roby Mitchell – http://bit.ly/1gdgEZU

    17. Dr. Ken Stoller – http://bit.ly/1MPVqLI

    18. Dr. Mayer Eisenstein – http://bit.ly/1LLEqHH

    19. Dr. Frank Engley, PhD – http://bit.ly/1OHbLDI

    20. Dr. David Davis – http://bit.ly/1gdgJwo

    21. Dr Tetyana Obukhanych – http://bit.ly/16Z7k6J

    22. Dr. Harold E Buttram – http://bit.ly/1Kru6Df

    23. Dr. Kelly Brogan – http://bit.ly/1D31pfQ

    24. Dr. RC Tent – http://bit.ly/1MPVwmu

    25. Dr. Rebecca Carley – http://bit.ly/K49F4d

    26. Dr. Andrew Moulden – http://bit.ly/1fwzKJu

    27. Dr. Jack Wolfson – http://bit.ly/1wtPHRA

    28. Dr. Michael Elice – http://bit.ly/1KsdpKA

    29. Dr. Terry Wahls – http://bit.ly/1gWOBhd

    30. Dr. Stephanie Seneff – http://bit.ly/1OtWxAY

    31. Dr. Paul Thomas – http://bit.ly/1DpeXPf

    32. Many doctors talking at once – http://bit.ly/1MPVHOv

    33. Dr. Richard Moskowitz – http://bit.ly/1OtWG7D

    34. Dr. Jane Orient – http://bit.ly/1MXX7pb

    35. Dr. Richard Deth – http://bit.ly/1GQDL10

    36. Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic – http://bit.ly/1eqiPr5

    37. Dr Chris Shaw – http://bit.ly/1IlGiBp

    38. Dr. Susan McCreadie – http://bit.ly/1CqqN83

    39. Dr. Mary Ann Block – http://bit.ly/1OHcyUX

    40. Dr. David Brownstein – http://bit.ly/1EaHl9A

    41. Dr. Jayne Donegan – http://bit.ly/1wOk4Zz

    42. Dr. Troy Ross – http://bit.ly/1IlGlNH

    43. Dr. Philip Incao – http://bit.ly/1ghE7sS

    44. Dr. Joseph Mercola – http://bit.ly/18dE38I

    45. Dr. Jeff Bradstreet – http://bit.ly/1MaX0cC

    46. Dr. Robert Mendelson – http://bit.ly/1JpAEQr

    47. Dr. Garth Nicolson – http://bit.ly/1OQVJsF

    48. Dr. Marc Girard – http://bit.ly/1iw0smT

    49. Dr. Charles Richet – http://bit.ly/1G5GG7j

    50. Dr. Zac Bush – http://bit.ly/1LS19OZ

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/natural-mommalynn/doctors-speak-on-vaccines/1704683763076406

  • Your man-made VPD claim is nothing but a load of obviously unproven crap. Why are there over 9000 filed cases at the federal vaccine court which were rejected for compensation? Obviously as well the number for the federal vaccine court that have been filed, are just small fraction of the total numbers of cases that should and could have been filed. Just like VAERS and with their well known only a 1 TO 10% reporting factors, and all because doctors are far to big pharma brainwashed to ever report a vaccine injury and/or death, to the VAERS reporting system.

  • Where is your scientific evidence for your claims, Vaccines have done far more harm than good?

    Lets look at polio?

    March 5, 1961 – The Truth About the Polio Vaccines | Chicago Tribune Archive http://ow.ly/X9jHR
    http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1961/03/05/page/62/article/the-truth-about-the-polio-vaccines

    March 5, 1961 – The Truth About the Polio Vaccines | Chicago Tribune Archive http://ow.ly/X9jHR
    http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1961/03/05/page/62/article/the-truth-about-the-polio-vaccines

    The REAL History Behind the Polio Vaccine
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/the-real-history-behind-the-polio-vaccine/

    The Salk Polio Vaccine “Tragedy”

    During mid-April of 1955, about 400,000 people—mostly schoolchildren—in the U.S. were vaccinated with the Salk vaccine manufactured by Cutter Laboratories.6 It turns out that more than 200,000 of these children, living in five western and midwestern states (Arizona, California, Idaho, Nevada and New Mexico7), were injected with vaccines “in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective.” The Cutter-produced vaccines ended up causing 40,000 cases of polio. It severely paralyzed 200 children and killed 10.8

    Read more:
    http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2016/01/the-salk-polio-vaccine-tragedy/

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Smallpox Eradication – One of History’s Biggest Lies & How Vaccination Did Not Eradicate Smallpox
    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/smallpox-eradication-one-of-historys-biggest-lies-how-vaccination-did-not-eradicate-smallpox/

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Read the cedillo decision. The linkage between vaccination and autism just isn’t there. The Hastings decision quite explicitly states that signs and symptoms of autism we’re discernable in Ms cedillo well before she was vaccinated.

    See:

    And most importantly, both Dr. Fombonne and Dr. Wiznitzer, as described above, displayed
    a number of videos of Michelle during the hearing, and pointed out Michelle’s specific behaviors
    that they deemed to be evidence of autism during the pre-vaccination period. Petitioners had the
    opportunity for rebuttal–i.e., their counsel could have had Dr. Kinsbourne, or some other expert
    witness, exhibit the same videos and state any disagreements with Dr. Fombonne’s and Dr.
    Wiznitzer’s interpretation of Michelle’s behaviors. Petitioners, however, presented no such rebuttal
    by any expert. Thus, the interpretations of Michelle’s pre-vaccination behaviors presented by
    Drs. Fombonne and Wiznitzer, highly qualified witnesses whom I found to be honest and credible,
    stand unrebutted. I conclude that those behaviors were, in fact, evidence of autism in Michelle that
    predated her MMR vaccination.
    iii. Summary concerning pre-vaccination evidence of autism
    In short, for the reasons set forth above, I conclude that Dr. Kinsbourne was mistaken in his
    assumption that Michelle displayed normal development prior to her MMR vaccination of
    December 20, 1995. To the contrary, the evidence strongly indicates that Michelle was already
    showing evidence of brain abnormality and of autism prior to her MMR vaccination.

    ….

    I have kept all of these points in mind in deciding this case. I have not required a level of
    proof greater than “more probable than not,” which has also been described as “50 percent plus a
    feather.” I understand fully that petitioners are not alleging that the MMR vaccine was the sole cause
    of Michelle’s disorders, but are alleging only that the vaccine contributed to the causation of her
    disorders, possibly in concert with an underlying genetic vulnerability. I have looked beyond the
    epidemiologic evidence to determine whether the overall evidence–i.e., medical opinion and
    circumstantial evidence and other evidence considered as a whole–tips the balance even slightly in
    favor of a causation showing as to any of Michelle’s conditions.
    This case, however, is not a close case. The overall weight of the evidence is
    overwhelmingly contrary to the petitioners’ causation theories. The result of this case would be the
    same even if I totally ignored the epidemiologic evidence, declined to consider the video evidence,
    and/or excluded the testimony of Dr. Bustin. The result would be the same if I restricted my
    consideration to the evidence originally filed into the record of this Cedillo case, disregarding the
    general causation evidence from the Hazlehurst and Snyder cases. The petitioners’ evidence has
    been unpersuasive on many different points, concerning virtually all aspects of their causation
    theories, each such deficiency having been discussed in detail above. The petitioners have failed to
    persuade me that there is validity to any of their general causation arguments, and have also failed
    to persuade me that there is any substantial likelihood that Michelle’s MMR vaccination contributed
    in any way to the causation of any of Michelle’s own disorders. To the contrary, based upon all theevidence that I have reviewed, I find that it is extremely unlikely that any of Michelle’s disorders
    were in any way causally connected to her MMR vaccination, or any other vaccination.
    In short, this is a case in which the evidence is so one-sided that any nuances in the
    interpretation of the causation case law would make no difference to the outcome of the case.

  • I have never written any book, and nor do I have any knowledge of any such said book.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    The vaccine actually immunizss against tetanus toxins released by the bacterium during an active infection . Vitamin c is.not an evidence based treatment.

  • Really? So prove it. I have more supporting scientific studies that I have put in front of you than you have and can ever in any honesty respond to;and not even once.

  • That’s right we vaccine truthers are all entirely nuts in regard to the vaccine issues, and while you pro-vaccine people with your promoting 49 doses of 14 toxic and known contaminated vaccines, before the age of six, are entirely rational, sane, and honest.

  • Katia

    Are you really so ignorant that you don’t realize that the “booster” Tdap is the same vaccine as any other dose of Tdap?

  • What book?

  • ione murphy

    “DTaP is a vaccine that helps children younger than age 7…Tdap is a booster immunization given at age 11 that offers continued protection from those diseases for adolescents and adults.

    Both vaccines contain inactivated forms of the toxin produced by the bacteria that cause the three diseases. Inactivated means the substance no longer produces disease, but does trigger the body to create antibodies that give it immunity against the toxins. DTaP is approved for children under age 7. Tdap, which has a reduced dose of the diphtheria and pertussis vaccines, is approved for adolescents starting at age 11 and adults ages 19 to 64.”

    http://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/dtap-and-tdap-vaccines

    “Giving adolescents and adults a booster shot of the whooping cough vaccine offers some protection against the infection – but not enough to prevent outbreaks, according to a new study.

    “The take-home message is, we need a new vaccine,” lead author Dr. Roger Baxter, co-director of the Vaccine Study Center at Kaiser Permanente in Oakland, California, told Reuters Health.

    The booster, known as Tdap, protects against tetanus and diphtheria as well as whooping cough, also called pertussis. A similar combination vaccine is given to children in five doses between two months and six years of age.

    While the Tdap booster had been introduced to address this issue, he added, the new findings show that giving it to adolescents and adults isn’t going to solve the problem.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-whooping-cough-booster-idUSBRE9700XK20130801

  • Ron Roy

    The studies you quote were financed by the very companies making the vaccine. Biased you bet. Here are many studies conducted by researchers who have not been bought off: http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/10/04/a-closer-look-at-the-flu-shot-12828/

  • Katia

    You really DON’T get it, do you? Shame.

  • ione murphy

    Why don’t you explain it to us, how they are the same vaccine.

    “We have a real belief that the durability (of the vaccine) is not what was imagined,” said Dr. David Witt, an infectious disease specialist at Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Rafael, California, and senior author of the study.

    The pertussis vaccine, a five-shot series referred to as DTaP, is recommended for children at ages two-, four-, six- and 18-months, and at four to six years old.

    The CDC recommends that at age 11 or 12 kids get the booster shot called Tdap

    But moving up the Tdap booster shot to an earlier age is not so easy, Clark said, and it might not fix the problem.”It’s likely if we move doses around we’d shift the burden of disease, but not necessarily reduce it,” Clark said.

    Additionally, the booster shot is not approved for seven to nine year olds.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-whoopingcough-idUSBRE8320TM20120403

  • ione murphy

    Is there a difference between DTaP and Tdap?

    A: Yes, the amounts of diphtheria and pertussis in these vaccines are different. Upper-case letters in these abbreviations denote full-strength doses of diphtheria (D) and tetanus (T) toxoids and pertussis (P) vaccines. Lower-case “d” and “p” denote reduced doses of diphtheria and pertussis.DTaP is given to children younger than 7 years of age. Tdap is given to older children and adults.

  • Katia

    I repeat, You still don’t get it! Tdap is for people who are age 7 and over. It is not specifically a “booster ” vaccine. Someone 7 or older who has never been immunized should get Tdap for their first dose.

    AVs are just plain ignorant yet think they know it all.

  • Katia

    I didn’t say that, ignoramus ione. See my previous answer to you.

  • Thomas Johnson

    All you do is copy/paste crap from anti-vax blogs, Lowell.

  • ione murphy

    The CDC, ACIP, and all other sites for immunization just happen to call Tdap the booster shot in all the information available. So what was your point in saying it is the same vaccine as the booster?
    Don’t have anything else to cherry pick about?

  • Katia

    You just don’t get it. Perfect example of Dunning -Kruger.

  • Tony S

    Well, you know what they say: “Birds of a feather flock together”

  • Katia

    It’s the vaccine used for boosters, just like DTaP and Td are also used as boosters. All three are also used for primary vaccination.

    Dunning-Kruger to you, BeStrong, Tony S and of course, Gracedipsh*t!

  • Katia

    What is approved for seven to nine year olds is this, ignoramous ione! (I really like that one, proud of myself.)
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/catchup.html
    “Persons aged 7 years and older who are not fully immunized with DTaP vaccine should receive Tdap vaccine as 1 (preferably the first) dose in the catch-up series; if additional doses are needed, use Td vaccine. For children 7 through 10 years who receive a dose of Tdap as part of the catch-up series, an adolescent Tdap vaccine dose at age 11 through 12 years should NOT be administered. Td should be administered instead 10 years after the Tdap dose.”

    Dunning-Kruger to you, sabelmouse, BeStrong, Gracedipsh*t, and Tony S.

  • ione murphy

    well would you look at that, Katia got tired of her name and wants to be called Sonja now.

    Ok then….geez Sonja, I’m sure glad we had you here to set us straight on the booster IS in fact….a booster. Thanks!

    Since you seem to be so knowledgeable on vaccines, can you explain what the added ingredients of bovine pestivirus and porcine circovirus DNA help do in the MMR and rotavirus vaccines?

  • Sonja Henie

    No, ignoramous ione, get this straight-there are no special “booster” vaccines of any type.

    From a website that might be acceptable to you: http://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005206
    (not in order of quantity; see package insert for quantities)
    MMR ingredients-sorbitol, sodium phosphate, sucrose, sodium chloride, hydrolyzed gelatin, recombinant human albumin, fetal bovine serum, other buffer and media ingredients, neomycin.
    (not in order of quantity; see package insert for quantities)”

    Rotateq: polygeline (processed bovine gelatin), human serum albumin, potassium glutamate, sodium EDTA, bovine serum, chicken protein, neomycin, chlortetracycline, amphotericin B) {Merck]

    Rotarix:

    amino acids, dextran, Dulbecco’s Modified Eagle Medium (sodium
    chloride, potassium chloride, magnesium sulfate, ferric (III) nitrate,
    sodium phosphate, sodium pyruvate, D-glucose, concentrated vitamin
    solution, L-cystine, L-tyrosine, amino acids solution, L-glutamine,
    calcium chloride, sodium hydrogenocarbonate, phenol red), sorbitol,
    sucrose, calcium carbonate, sterile water, xanthan

  • Sonja Henie

    Lookit this, ignoramous ione, dipsh*t, and all the rest of you who think you know everything: http://thespudd.com/survey-anti-vaxxers-do-not-believe-dunning-kruger-effect-applies-to-them/
    “Only 1% of the anti-vaxxers felt that the Dunning–Kruger effect
    applied to them in the slightest. This is despite the fact no one scored higher than a 58% on our vaccine quiz and none were able to explain thedifference between a T and B lymphocyte.”

    Instead, 98% of the subjects rated their knowledge of vaccines as
    “extremely, highly superior” and felt the Dunning–Kruger effect best
    applied to vaccine advocates such as Dr. Paul Offit as well as everyone at the CDC, FDA, WHO, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, UNICEF, and anyone who works for a pharmaceutical company.

    In a follow-up study of 1,419 of the original study subjects, 97% of
    them explained their original responses by saying “I did my own
    research.” “

  • ione murphy

    Ok then Katie/Katia/Sonja, we will never call Tdap a booster in your presence again, since it obviously upsets you so much.

    Your list of ingredients didn’t include the animal viruses that are also in the vaccines.

    Can you explain what their purpose is in the vaccines?

    Genotypes of pestivirus RNA detected in live virus vaccines for human use.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11503899

    “Bovine viral diarrhea disease (BVDV) associated with a contaminated vaccine.This suggests that BVDV RNA detected in human live viral vaccines represents passive carry over of BVDV from contaminated FCS rather than active virus replication in human diploid cells. Our results indicate that contamination with BVDV of FCS used in vaccine production does not appear to be of immediate concern to human health”….http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11503899

    Investigation of porcine circovirus contamination in human vaccines.

    “In 2010 DNA fragments of porcine circo- virus (a single-stranded DNA virus that naturally infects pigs) were detected in one vaccine and then the second vaccine. After extensive review, the FDA determined that it was still safe to use both vaccines”

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1045105612000267

  • Sonja Henie

    Let’s talk about this booster thing first, since you obviously didn’t see the Dunning-Kruger article I posted. Actually, take a look at it again.
    http://thespudd.com/survey-anti-vaxxers-do-not-believe-dunning-kruger-effect-applies-to-them/

    The 3rd and 4th doses of polio vaccine, at 18 mo and 5 years, are called “boosters”. They are the same vaccine as the previous two.

    The 4th and 5th doses of DTaP at the same ages, are called boosters. Same vaccine.

    The second dose of flu vaccine, necessary for kids 8 and under their first year of getting flu vax, is called a booster. Same vaccine.

    The first dose of Tdap, in an unimmunized kid age 7+ is NOT a booster.

    Do try to wrap your mind around that.

    Your first link is talking about vaccine contamination, not a regular ingredient. Interestingly, none of the contaminated vaccines appear to have been from the US.

    Your second link also refers to contamination, does not say anything about the FDA. Of course, lying liars lie lots. I have read before that the FDA determined the vaccines were safe.

  • ione murphy

    Is the Tdap actually licensed for use for children 7-10? Or for adults over 65??

    From the CDC- “During September 2005–September 2010, a total of 243 VAERS reports were received regarding adults aged 65 years and older administered Tdap, out of 10,981 total VAERS reports on Tdap among recipients of all ages (CDC, unpublished data, 2010). Of the 243 reports regarding adults aged 65 years and older, 232 (96%) were nonserious. The most frequent adverse events after Tdap were local reactions, comprising 37% of all events.

    Eleven serious events were reported, including two deaths among persons with multiple underlying conditions.

    Although VAERS cannot assess causality, after review of data, it is unlikely the deaths were related to vaccine receipt. Postmarketing VAERS data also suggest that Tdap vaccine safety in adults aged 65 years and older is comparable to that of Td vaccine.

    ***Because Tdap is not licensed for use in this age group, comparisons between these reports and other reports need to be interpreted with caution.***

    Programmatic gaps included lack of a licensed Tdap vaccine for children aged 7 through 10 years and adults aged 65 years and older. In light of the recent increase of pertussis in the United States, the additional recommendations are made to facilitate use of Tdap to reduce the burden of disease and risk for transmission to infants (Box).”

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6001a4.htm

  • ione murphy

    FDA NEWS RELEASE

    For Immediate Release: March 22, 2010

    Media Inquiries: Shelly Burgess, 301-796-4651; [email protected]
    Consumer
    Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA

    Components of Extraneous Virus Detected in Rotarix Vaccine; No Known Safety
    Risk

    FDA Recommends Clinicians Temporarily Suspend Use of Vaccine as Agency
    Learns More

    “FDA is recommending that healthcare practitioners temporarily suspend use of
    the Rotarix vaccine for rotavirus immunization in the United States while the
    agency learns more about components of an extraneous virus detected in the
    vaccine. There is no evidence at this time that this finding poses a safety
    risk.

    The agency recently became aware that an independent U.S. academic research
    team, using a novel technique, has found DNA from porcine circovirus 1 (PCV1) in
    Rotarix, which is manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline”
    http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm205625.htm

  • Sonja Henie

    Six year old information! Here is what ACIP says:
    http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/experts_per.asp
    “Children ages 7 through 10 years who are not fully immunized against pertussis (i.e., did not complete a series of pertussis-containing vaccine before their seventh birthday) should receive a single dose of Tdap. If needed, they should complete their series with Td. . . . Aren’t the recent ACIP recommendations for expanded use of Tdap vaccine in children ages 7 through 9 years and in adults age 65 years and older different from what is on the package inserts?
    Yes. Sometimes ACIP makes recommendations that differ from the FDA-approved package insert indications, and this is one of those instances. ACIP recommendations represent the standard of care for vaccination practice in the United States.”
    This is current as of 5/2015

  • ione murphy

    Are you avoiding the question? Is it now licensed for use?

  • Sonja Henie

    I told you what the ACIP says. DTaP is also not licensed for people 7+.
    Boostrix is licensed for adults > 65.
    http://www.vaccines.gov/diseases/diphtheria/
    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6125a4.htm

  • And you repeatedly IGNORE what is there. You are actually the most unscientific study based idiot to ever post on vactruth.

  • More in denial stink and rot reply posts from alias no identity… Thomas Johnson.

  • Thomas Johnson

    No that’s you and Egghead actually.

  • Thomas Johnson

    It’s true though.

  • eggman2

    You and the people that upvote you are really stupid and ignorant. You have to be really stupid to be ignorant about an important subject like this. Admit that you are, like I do when I make the wrong move in chess , and you will be a better person like I am a better player.

    Vitamin C is a natural antitoxin. It can neutralize poisons in general. It has even been used in neutralizing snake venoms in high intravenous doses. I have been very successful with my application to prevent and cure tetanus ( I have had lock jaw [ the other name and symptom of tetanus ] at least twice in my life. ).

  • CharlieB1972

    That’s only because Tristan Wells hasn’t posted here yet.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Calling someone stupid is hardly an effective way to get them to listen to your point of view. Personally I would not bet on your home remedy..especially since tetanus has been essentially eliminated in the us since about 1937 after the introduction of the tetanus vaccine.

    Cochrane has a review of ajsingle article. Basically it said more research is needed….

    See
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24226506

    Vs

    cular Trends in the United States

    A marked decrease in mortality from tetanus occurred from the early 1900s to the late 1940s. In the late 1940s, tetanus toxoid was introduced into routine childhood immunization and tetanus became nationally notifiable. At that time, 500-600 cases (approximately 0.4 cases per 100,000 population) were reported per year.

    After the 1940s, reported tetanus incidence rates declined steadily. Since the mid-1970s, 50-100 cases (~0.05 cases per 100,000) have been reported annually. From 2000 through 2007 an average of 31 cases were reported per year. The death-to-case ratio has declined from 30% to approximately 10% in recent years. An all-time low of 18 cases (0.01 cases per 100,000) was reported in 2009.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/tetanus.html

    The evidence favors the vaccination program.

  • CharlieB1972

    Not exactly. Most of the unvaccinated are just scared, and they are joining the sane and rational pro-vaccine side in California after the passage of SB277. The hard-core anti-vaccine cult is entirely nuts.

  • Thomas Johnson

    I’ve dealt with him a few times he’s a loonie alright:)

  • And do you have any more false and misleading bullshit to promote? Every post you make, requires the proof and the evidence of and as to what you have stated. You never provide any of that?

  • What is, you rotted and entirely demented mind man? Go ahead and explain.

  • So, where is your so called science, then? You have seen me post that, and with long lists of independent studies that have been done, multiple times. I have also detailed directly what is lacking in regard to the so needed vaccine safety science. What do you not get about that?.

  • So again you accept nothing but pro-vaccine information.

  • And how could anyone get any more entirely vaccine harm done…. in denial LOONIE, than you….. so called Thomas?

  • Yes it is. How much evidence would you need?

    LIPOSOMAL ENCAPSULATED VITAMIN C
    http://www.vacfacts.info/anti-viral—liposomal-encapsulated-vitamin-c.html

  • Warning to Pregnant Mothers – Toxic Dose of Aluminum in the Tdap
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoY6vXEMsU8

    This Pediatrician is gradually starting to get it, and to speak out with some common sense. The Hep B vaccine for newborns and in their insane and nearly obsessed demand to inject every newborn with this aluminum adjuvant containing vaccine, is the pinnacle example of their pro-vaccine madness and for profit vaccinating, ignorance.

    This is a major amount of information, and good information. And the majority of parents with a newborn are never given and nor are they ever aware of this information. You have the right to be informed, and not simply just told what to do by doctors who clearly as well do not have and/or know of this information.

    Hepatitis B Vaccine & Autism- Paul Thomas, MD

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq2MeHDatzM&app=desktop

  • Thomas Johnson

    You believe in a myth, Lowell.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You post crap, Lowell.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You certainly post long lists.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Personally I would not bet on your home remedy..especially since tetanus has been essentially eliminated in the us since about 1937 after the introduction of the tetanus vaccine.

    Cochrane has a review of ajsingle article. Basically it said more research is needed….

    See
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu

    Vs

    cular Trends in the United States

    A marked decrease in mortality from tetanus occurred from the early 1900s to the late 1940s. In the late 1940s, tetanus toxoid was introduced into routine childhood immunization and tetanus became nationally notifiable. At that time, 500-600 cases (approximately 0.4 cases per 100,000 population) were reported per year.

    After the 1940s, reported tetanus incidence rates declined steadily. Since the mid-1970s, 50-100 cases (~0.05 cases per 100,000) have been reported annually. From 2000 through 2007 an average of 31 cases were reported per year. The death-to-case ratio has declined from 30% to approximately 10% in recent years. An all-time low of 18 cases (0.01 cases per 100,000) was reported in 2009.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pu

    The evidence favors the vaccination program.

  • Thomas Johnson

    That you post garbage. Try to keep up.

  • Tetanus is caused by wounds in direct exposure to horses. Do you have horses? Just move on in history. You can do it.

  • Warning to Pregnant Mothers – Toxic Dose of Aluminum in the Tdap, by Pediatrician, Paul Thomas
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoY6vXEMsU8

  • Your mental capacity is obviously amounting to nothing but a myth.

  • So, where is your so called science, then?

    Simply put, and again, they have zero existing studies in regard to the actually multiple vaccines safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule. They have zero existing safety studies in regard the known practice of injecting into a small child anywhere from 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit. They never will have any such studies.

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDc vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiological studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”

    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these

    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”

    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine

    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”

    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    14 Studies
    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/

  • Provide the proof of and for your claims? Provide evidence and refute. You have failed to, on ever level. All you have is more denial.

  • Thomas Johnson

    It’s all just a huge conspiracy theory isn’t it Lowell?

  • Thomas Johnson

    Like we haven’t been over THAT before.

  • All you do is assume that the CDC is right. You assume that anyone who is for profit and with everything to lose the vaccine truth be known, is right. You are a sheeple.

  • Thomas Johnson

    How about Morgellons disease being caused by alien fibers spread by chemtrails?

  • So just wake up…then? The real truth is in right front of you.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You don’t understand vaccine truth, Lowell. You’re a germ theory denialist.

  • You refuse to learn and understand the REAL germ theory, and you continue to misrepresent and lie about it all. How simple is that, and you refuse to comprehend it. Big pharma is a complete failure, so just admit it.

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

    The False Foundations of Modern Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

    The Drug Story
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

  • Thomas Johnson

    Like I said…

  • Thomas Johnson

    You don’t know the truth, Lowell. You’re a germ theory denialist.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Clostridium tetanii is hardly extinct in the wild. In the thirties and forties transportation by horse was essentially extinct. Very clearly vaccination against tetanus contributed to the precipitous decline in case numbers.

    There was a case in Norway of an old eldery woman who fell on her deck, sustained a minor injury and died from tetanus. Shr had not been vaccinated against tetanus. Her providers had not seen tetanus so the cautionary lesson was to look for the illness. Tetanus is extremely rare in Norway because of vaccination programs.

    The evidence still favors vaccination as a primary prevention strategy.

  • Sonja Henie

    “Clostridium tetanii is hardly extinct in the wild.”

    Good Grief, no! It’s ubiquitous. http://www.adultvaccination.org/tetanus_vaccine_vaccination_adult_immunizations.htm
    A common way to get it is working with roses in the rose garden. You get a puncture wound from a thorn, and then the tetanus spores get in the wound.
    http://www.houselogic.com/home-advice/gardens/tetanus-shot/
    http://www.rose.org/rose-care-articles/tetanus-the-silent-killer/

  • Reynaud

    What a wonderful list – A veritable rogues gallery of dubious researchers and mostly MDs commenting out of their fields of professional expertise, some no longer in actual practice and a number of them with restricted, suspended or revoked medical licenses!

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    I was engaging in Scandinavian understatement…..

    Lh point was fecal material

  • Sonja Henie

    Oh, I totally agree!

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    :)

  • You’ve been Brainwashed. READ DR.EDGAR CROOKSHANK’S ICD-999 Found at vaccinefraud.com then Repent!
    OK

  • Great Research and Link Connections, CONGRATS (y)
    I KNOW Vacc. caused my debilitating Neurological Conditions, misdiagnosed as “Mental Illness” which IS Quackery!!!

  • CDC = CENTER FOR DISEASE CREATION… PERIOD!

  • Theory IS right, even Pasteur said on his Deathbed, Bechamp was more correct on polymorphism

  • We Sue the people whom Andrew works for, and make them do Vaccine Cocktails on LIVE HDTV, AFTER READING ICD-999, from Vaccinefraud.com Originated by Dr.Edgar Crookshank whom has never been refuted, as has Dr.Royal Raymond Rife’s Microscope and Frequency work never been refuted… Sceered of losing your High Paid Salaries, and “Privileged Benefits” or just plain “DISINFO AGENT” Andrew?

  • Andrew Lazarus

    According to Wikipedia, Dr Crookshank was against the cowpox-derived smallpox vaccine as too unrelated to the disease, but he was in favor the older practice of vaccination with attenuated smallpox, which is much more dangerous.

    As for the Pharma Shill gambit, you got any evidence for that?

  • Thomas Johnson

    No he didn’t.

  • Thomas Johnson

    2 days ago…Lowell Hubbs: “A full discussion of both these issues can be found in the Polio section of my book The Vaccine Guide.”

    Then…Lowell Hubbs: “…and(sic) nor do I have any knowledge of any such said(sic) book.”

    Classic Hubbs!

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Like the similar deathbed recantation attributed to Darwin by Creationists, there is zero evidence for this, and it is contradicted by witnesses. That’s part for the antivax course.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Misdiagnosed?

  • dogitydog

    Wow. You can’t blame the vaccine industry for trying to make a buck. After all, the payroll for this comment section alone must be enormous! You know that your website is doing something right when they sick the whole pack on you :)

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    Of course, the reality is that retractions on deathbeds simply don’t make any difference whatsoever as to the truth of the matter.

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    Suppose I pay Bob to post that 1+1 = 2.

    What does 1 + 1 =?

  • Thomas Johnson

    More than YouTube videos, naturalnews.com and whale.to references. What is wrong with you?

  • Well, copy and paste the exact quote and, from where, and as well in the context that it was written? I have no knowledge of any such claim, and I have zero connection with any book. http://www.amazon.com/The-Vaccine-Guide-Benefits-Children/dp/1556434235

  • Again, you do not properly understand the concept of the germ theory.

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

  • I do not deal in just theories, I deal in only the direct evidence of proven fact.

  • You can throw all the mindless denial, and as well falsely attempted discreditation at it that you want. And as well your said claims, are largely and simply a lie.

  • You can see that vitamin C in the proper amounts and form of it have been literally a proven life a saver for now endless decades, and as well in cases that the standardly mislead and big pharma misdirected medical model, had no hope of treating and regaining a recovery in those individuals. Deny it and lie about it, all you want. All you trolling shills ever have is more attempted false discrediation. And you simply refuse to see that it is not working.

  • And again you have zero evidence to provide that nay tetanus vaccine was responsible for a decline in tetanus. Do we as well all still ride horses and horse drawn wagons and carriages? I have had multiple stitches twice in the recent past in my hand and for deep cuts. Should have been clear risk for tetanus, and I have not a vaccine of any kind in over four decades.

    Why You Never Need A Tetanus Vaccine, Regardless of Your Age or Location
    http://preventdisease.com/news/13/050713_Why-You-Never-Need-A-Tetanus-Vaccine-Regardless-of-Your-Age-or-Location.shtml

    Tetanus Shot: Just as Bad as Other Vaccinations
    http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/tetanus-shot-just-as-bad-as-other-vaccinations/

    5 Reasons I Won’t Get a Tetanus Shot
    http://holisticsquid.com/when-to-get-a-tetanus-shot/

  • Your own lack of evidence in itself favors the rejection of that vaccine, wake up. Obviously again you are promoting nothing but false correlation equals causation; and do you understand at all what that means?

  • Go back and actually read my replies. Read what is there. You are delusional.

  • The risk of adverse health issues due to the toxicity and potential contamination of the vaccine, far outweigh any possible benefit from the vaccine.

    TD Vaccine
    (tetanus & diphtheria)
    http://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005206#header_td

    Tetanus Shot: Just as Bad as Other Vaccinations
    http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/tetanus-shot-just-as-bad-as-other-vaccinations/

    Why You Never Need A Tetanus Vaccine, Regardless of Your Age or Location
    http://preventdisease.com/news/13/050713_Why-You-Never-Need-A-Tetanus-Vaccine-Regardless-of-Your-Age-or-Location.shtml

    5 Reasons I Won’t Get a Tetanus Shot
    http://holisticsquid.com/when-to-get-a-tetanus-shot/

  • Sonja Henie

    One of the dumbest things I have ever read on here, and I’ve read a lot of dumb stuff! Now you can tell me I’m a judgmental b*tch, you wouldn’t be the first.

    None of these articles produced one shred of evidence that the vaccine is harmful. If you’re so worried about thimerosal in the vaccine, get a t-free shot. As for the rest of that drivel, fuggedaboudit! Who takes health care advice from a finance major? And frankly, she’s probably the best of them, the other two are a naturopath and a homeopath. Tetanus nosode? Seriously?

    “A homeopathic vaccination. A very dilute pathological tissue sample, taken from the blood, feces, mucus, pus, or tissue of an infected or diseased organism, administered to a human to promote immunity against disease.”
    http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Nosodes

  • Thomas Johnson
  • Thomas Johnson

    Like I said.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Where is it a proven fact?

  • Thomas Johnson

    It’s great for scurvy.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    No I am evidence based. You are the one who is unwilling to evaluate risk based on science.

  • AutismDadd

    Pointless drivel from AnDUHrew

  • AutismDadd

    Even asking that is incredibly stupid.

  • AutismDadd

    WARNING: Lazurus at work making nonsense out of thin air.

  • AutismDadd

    KATIA has a new cover.

  • Right in front of you, every time. Typical trolling shill, ignore everything that has been put in front of and as if it were never there. Shills are simply one of the most disgusting forms of humanity on planet earth. Slime, and in denial scum. Every reader here and with any honesty, can see exactly what you do.

  • I have not referenced to any source for Randall Neustaeder. The article does. Your post is pointless.

    You were asked to present with a copy/paste of my statements and a reference to the article and/or specific location they were found.

  • Like I said, you and your falsely harassing BS clearly need to be banned from this site.

  • Like you said, as to what? You said nothing. Why can you never actually address directly any of that information? That is because you choose to remain in complete denial. You are clearly a very sick and twisted man. Who pays you?

  • You are a LIAR.

    All of this contains, science, and in fact numerous applicable and independent studies.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    ​More Aluminum Adjuvant Harm Done Studies
    http://www.vacfacts.info/more-aluminum-adjuvant-harm-done-studies.html

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Vaccine Contamination
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-contamination.html

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety – “HPV Vaccine Has Done This to My Child”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

    The Currently Failed Flu Vaccine Expose/ With Original Antigenic Sin Study Info
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-currently-failed-flu-vaccine-expose-with-original-antigenic-sin-study-info.html

    Science, and the real historical account of and in regard to vaccines.

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Dr. Kurt: Why I Will Never Choose to Vaccinate my Own Son and Any Future Kids my Wife and I Have.
    http://dailymedicalinformatics.info/dr-kurt-why-i-will-never-choose-to-vaccinate-my-own-son-and-any-future-kids-my-wife-and-i-have/

    Simply put, you and they have zero existing studies in regard to the actually multiple vaccines safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule. They have zero existing safety studies in regard the known practice of injecting into a small child anywhere from 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit. They never will have any such studies.

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDc vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiological studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.” Really??? Lets take a look at what those studies really show us.

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    14 Studies
    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/

  • And as well great for preventing SIDS, after vaccinations. What a refuse to be educated fool, intentionally remaining in denial and no matter what has been put in front of you. It is one thing that you were so lazy that you refused to do your own research, but then when it has been put right in front of you reject it because there are no options for you but to remain in your level of very sick, and complete denial.

    LIPOSOMAL ENCAPSULATED VITAMIN C
    http://www.vacfacts.info/anti-viral—liposomal-encapsulated-vitamin-c.html

    But then in your mind it is better to just let people die, (instead of using natural substances, and just because big pharma did not make it and/or approve of it in replacement of their toxic and contaminated vaccines.

  • Just face it; no matter what was ever put in front of you would continue to claim that there was not one shred of evidence that any vaccine is harmful. All toxic and contaminated vaccines carry a serious risk to health, and some more than others. The focal point of the information and in general, and by the way, was to point out the futility of vaccinating for tetanus.

    And so you are mocking homeopathic vaccination, and when your own big pharma vaccines in regard to the antigen, are made from the very same kind of vile substances? However pharma’s vaccines contain a load of other toxic chemicals and substances that the homeopathic version does not.

    INDESCRIBABLY DISGUSTING VACCINE INGREDIENTS

    SO WHAT ABOUT THE FLY IN OUR SOUP?

    It may not do any harm at all, especially if it has been well heated in the soup!

    However, all injected substances including insect fragments bypass the body’s intricate defense mechanism. The same substances which are harmless when ingested are shown to be extremely detrimental to health when injected. This is learned by medical students and others, but many doctors, health authorities and other vaccine promoters appear to ignore this basic fact.

    Read more:
    http://birthofanewearth.blogspot.com/2012/01/indescribably-disgusting-vaccine.html

    Dr. Kurt: Why I Will Never Choose to Vaccinate my Own Son and Any Future Kids my Wife and I Have.
    http://dailymedicalinformatics.info/dr-kurt-why-i-will-never-choose-to-vaccinate-my-own-son-and-any-future-kids-my-wife-and-i-have/

    Adventitious Agents and Vaccines
    Philip R. Krause (go to full text pdf)
    Food and Drug Administration, Bethesda, Maryland, USA
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2631857/

    Full text:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2631857/pdf/11485673.pdf

    Issues Associated With Residual Cell-Substrate DNA (I found Explorer worked to download this unbelievable read, and chrome did not)

    (Page 20 and 47 mention the said WHO limit of 10ng of human DNA in a vaccine. But many of the current vaccines are produced with said human diploid tissue, and so what then? No mention of that issue appeared to have been made. As well see there reference made of ongogenic activity, and infective activity. Obviously they do not have any actual and nor sufficient animal and nor human studies on and in regard to this said issue. What they have is literally only presumed estimates. The FDA thus clearly knows of the cancer causing potential, infective potential, and of the unknown potential to create both known and unknown created adverse health situations with these vaccines; such as autoimmune disease as well Wow.)

    http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/05/slides/5-4188S1_4draft.ppt

    New Study in Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology Correlates Autism Disorder Increase and Human Fetal DNA, Retroviral Agents in Vaccines

    (My review of the information): So it should come as no surprise that the FDA has known for decades about the dangers of insertional mutagenesis by using the human fetal cell lines and yet, they chose to ignore it. Instead of conducting safety studies they regulated the amount of human DNA that could be present in a vaccine to no greater than 10ng. (See the FDA PDF reference link below titled, Issues Associated With Residual Cell-Substrate DNA)

    Unfortunately, Dr. Deisher’s team discovered that the fetal DNA levels in vaccines produced with aborted fetal cell tissue, ranged anywhere from 142ng – 2000ng per dose, way beyond the so-called “safe” level.

    “There are a large number of publications about the presence of HERV (human endogenous retrovirus – the only re-activatable endogenous retrovirus) and its association with childhood lymphoma,” noted Dr Deisher. “The MMR II and chickenpox vaccines and indeed all vaccines that were propagated or manufactured using the fetal cell line WI-38 are contaminated with this retrovirus. And both parents and physicians have a right to know this!”

    Certainly these discoveries by SCPI should generate an immediate investigation by FDA officials, if not an outright ban on the use of aborted fetal cell lines as substrates for vaccine production. There are numerous other non-human FDA-approved cell lines that can and should be used.

    New Study in Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology Correlates Autism Disorder Increase and Human Fetal DNA, Retroviral Agents in Vaccines

    http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/965249574.html

    Dr Deisher’s study is available on the Academic Journals website at: http://www.ms.academicjournals.org/article/article1409245960_Deisher%20et%20al.pdf

    Or on their website at http://www.soundchoice.org/scpiJournalPubHealthEpidem092014.pdf

    CDC ADMITS THE PROBLEM

    “- Many novel vaccines are produced in animal cell substrates, and emerging infectious diseases may theoretically be transmitted from animals to humans through these vaccines. The challenge of identifying potential adventitious agents in vaccines closely parallels the challenge of identifying the agents causing particular emerging infectious diseases.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2631857/pdf/11485673.pdf

    Most of the below is taken from the above two articles.

    FDA: ONLY NONBINDING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TESTING

    There is no incentive for vaccine promoters to find substances which are detrimental to health. FDA only presents nonbinding recommendations:

    “If an adventitious agent is known to be present in your cell substrate or viral seed, then you should demonstrate that your production process is sufficiently robust to eliminate or inactivate the agent with an appropriate margin of safety.” http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/guidancecomplianceregulatoryinformation/guidances/vaccines/ucm202439.pdf

    POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES OF INJECTING FOREIGN DNA

    “ – DNA is used from such organisms as animals, animal viruses, fungi, and bacteria. It has been documented that injecting foreign DNA in a human may cause it, or a portion of it, to be incorporated into the recipient’s DNA. The horrendous implications for the unborn defy the imagination.” http://healthwyze.org/index.php/vaccine-secrets.html

    “- most vaccines are contaminated with a number of known and yet-to-be discovered viruses, bacteria, viral fragments, and DNA/RNA fragments. And, further, our science demonstrates that these contaminants could lead to a number of slowly-developing degenerative diseases, including degenerative diseases of the brain.” http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/if-you-are-in-support-of-vaccinations/

    “- The risks of residual retinal DNA and stray viral contaminants from the animal tissues getting into flu shots are real. DNA snips are classified as either “infectious” or “oncogenic” (tumour causing) by researchers who worry that the stray DNA is being incorporated into the recipient’s DNA …” http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri123.htm

    Interview with Dr. Suzanne Humphries. (Regarding contaminants from 33 minutes):

    “- DNA particles from disease matter can get into our DNA and alter us and in my opinion these vaccines are turning us into genetically modified organisms.” http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=BAE7F6323813CFAFB8338173FB11D429

    SV40 VIRUS IS PASSED THROUGH GENERATIONS

    “- many of the contaminant organisms can pass from generation to generation. For example, new studies have found that SV-40, a major contaminant of the polio vaccine until 1963, not only existed as a latent virus for the lifetime of those exposed to the vaccine but was being passed on to the next generation, primarily by way of sperm, something called vertical transmission. This means that every generation from now on will be infected with this known carcinogenic virus. There is also compelling evidence that some polio vaccines manufactured after 1963 may contain SV-40 virus. What makes the SV-40 contamination disaster of such concern is its association with so many cancers…” http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/if-you-are-in-support-of-vaccinations/

    “ – It is impossible to remove DNA contaminants from vaccines. Although weight limits for contaminating DNA were set by the FDA as far back as 1986, vaccine makers have never been able to reach that goal. The CDC decided to limit their weight recommendation to cancerous cell lines and then increase the other DNA contamination allowance one hundred-fold. However, these limits are only “recommendations” and, therefore, the FDA is unable to enforce them. Vaccine manufacturers continue to have the freedom to take scientific measures to reduce contaminants only if they wish. http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=14455

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    [32]. These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    Read more:
    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    Advances in Virus Research, Volume 50

    Pages 83 and 84, read. (Also see the study titled, Simian virus 40 in humans, below on this page)

    Excerpted:

    Moreover, blood and sperm fluid may represent important means for spreading of SV40 in humans.

    Indeed in these investigations, (Martini etal;, 1995,1996) 61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=PfO7D8ZoSMkC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=sv40+is+contagious&source=bl&ots=AlaWsAkp95&sig=RnycQFX2ucD-3zybHQ07FAIeJYk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kZLfT5_mA4qc2QXKz6jtCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sv40%20is%20contagious&f=false

    SV-40 Deadly Cure
    http://www.viewzone.com/sv40x.html

    Types of SV40 Associated Cancers:
    http://www.sv40foundation.org/Types.html

  • Sonja Henie

    You really don’t want to mess with tetanus, Lowell.

  • I have had zero vaccines in now over four decades, and I do not intend to ever start. You can clearly see the evidence against that vaccine, and right in front of you. You must deny it. Go fear monger and mess with some actually gullible person, you will never convince me with your in denial shill stupidity, and of anything but what I know to be fact and truth. Go ahead and tell us; who do you work for?

  • Thomas Johnson

    Or they’ll see what you do.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You just linked Neustaedter’s book The Vaccine Guide on Amazon. Try to keep up, Lowell.

  • Thomas Johnson

    It’s not false, Lowell. You’re a germ theory denialist.

  • Thomas Johnson

    But it’s you who is in complete denial, Lowell – in denial of germ theory.

  • Thomas Johnson

    I refuse the BS that YOU put in front of me, Lowell.

  • Sonja Henie

    Oh, not that old trope! You wouldn’t believe me if I told you. Go fly a kite!

  • Kiko

    You would sue whoever made wild Polio mandatory. Good job you pointed out one necessary vaccine, don’t stop there shill, does a newborn need a Hep B shot? Should MMR timing be changed due to the CDC fraud?

  • Jonathan Graham

    You would sue whoever made wild Polio mandatory.

    So the people who infected you? That’s not exactly feasible. What about people like yourself who encourage people not to vaccinate?

    Should MMR timing be changed

    Probably not.

  • Tony S

    Oh…but but don’t you know yet? They’re ALL QUACKS! Yup, that’s right; every single one of them. It’s so easy to not have the discussion by simply saying: They’re quacks and it’s all been de-bunked! ;)

  • Really, and just how is that?

  • You clearly in your denial, refuse the evidence of the vaccine truth; and so just so face it, and as to your reality.

  • Jenniffer

    Snappy comeback.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You don’t know the vaccine truth Lowell – you deny germ theory.

  • Tony S

    She normally just snorts!

  • Stupid to the bone!!!

  • Like a broken record, your stupidity and deliberate ignorance continues to abound. Nothing would ever be enough.

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

  • Really? You can go fly a kite and your idiot mouth transcribed to your keyboard, elsewhere, and where there are still mislead and brainwashed sheeple left to and that actually are dumb enought to yet believe you

  • You refuse the evidence of the truth and reality that is in front of you…and so just admit it.

  • Can your reply posts get any dumber and more in denial? Your vaccine shilling and trolling employer should just fire you for ineptitude and dereliction of your shill manual prescribed shilling duty.

  • Your vaccine shilling and trolling employer should just fire you for ineptitude and dereliction of your shill manual prescribed shilling duty.

  • Really? Where?

  • We can certainly see what you do….and that is nothing but lie…and in your insisted ignorance, and in demanding to remain in complete denial.

  • What about the people who encourage others to vaccinate, and take no risk for themselves, and nor their own families? How much vaccine risk are you taking, Jonathan Graham? Be specific.

  • I thought YOU were the original, doctor Crookshank? You know, seeing patients with sunglasses on and telling them how great big pharma and vaccines are? A real and dangerous literal, doctor Milenko

    Death By Medicine, (now known as the leading cause of death in the US, and that over the numbers of both heart disease and cancer deaths. How wonderful is your big pharma and the standardly pharma mislead and so called trained, medical establishment?

    Death By Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    The Drug Story-A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

  • So what about it, and what is your point? Do you just type replies and post them because you get paid to do so?

  • Sonja Henie

    Tell us how you really feel.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Like I said.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You don’t know truth or reality. You’re a germ theory denialist.

  • Thomas Johnson

    But it’s an important point because it explains so much.

  • Thomas Johnson

    People need to know why you don’t believe in vaccines, Lowell.

  • Thomas Johnson

    2 of your posts up, Lowell. 2 of your posts up.

  • Thomas Johnson

    The readers will decide.

  • Jonathan Graham

    What about the people who encourage others to vaccinate, and take no risk for themselves, and nor their own families? How much vaccine risk are you taking, Jonathan Graham? Be specific.

    My children are both fully vaccinated to the Canadian schedule (and probably a bit over). As I’ve mentioned before I am to the best of my knowledge vaccinated above and beyond the Canadian schedule for someone my age. Including vaccinations for Typhoid, Hep A/B (only recently on the schedule for my children) and Yellow Fever.

    You do know that their are at least 49 doses of 14 injected toxic, and potentially contaminated vaccines on the CDC schedule, and before the age of 6, right?

    Toxicity is about three “D’s” – Drug, Dosage and Delivery. Everything is toxic at some dose – even water – or by some method of delivery air in your bloodstream isn’t going to do you much good. So the better question is: Are any of these things at dosages or delivered in a way known to cause significant problems?

    Your line now is: “X causes significant problems at any dose”. The response to this is of course that it’s nonsense. How would you even test that idea? Is there someone out there testing concentrations of these compounds all the way down to the molar limit? Of course not. Not to mention that vaccine proponents aren’t saying that vaccines are harmless but that they are of such little risk that the diseases they prevent are much more likely to inflict harm.

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    …evidence…?

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    Of course, the answer is 2…because whether someone is being paid or not tells you precisely nothing about how true their claims are.

    Because there are essentially four states that are possible:

    Someone is saying something true and is being paid
    Someone is saying something false and is being paid.
    Someone is saying something false and is not being paid
    Someone is saying something true and is not being paid.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Here’s what that wonderful natural immunity to pertussis looks like:

    https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/heather_dexter_pertussis_whooping_cough1.png

    Or, we could have far fewer people suffer. Vaccines result in much lower incidence of pertussis. The states with the strictest vaccine laws have the lowest incidence, which is hardly surprising.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Vaccines are such a failure that they wiped out smallpox and have polio on the brink of eradication. Vaccines are such a failure that they have reduced global measles deaths to about 120,000 in 2014 from 2.6 million in 1980. If that’s failure, let’s have more of it!

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    People who get tetanus because they’re unvaccinated can experience the joy of natural immunity! Sure, it may come with a high risk of death, and survivors may have their bodies wracked by spasms so severe that their bones break, but at least it’s not one of those Evil Vaccines!

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    What a load of BS! SIDS incidence has declined as the vaccine schedule has increased. Vaccines. Do. Not. Cause. SIDS.

  • That is a load and the REAL load of BS. Do you not know and realize that big pharma and their people with vested interests in vaccines have and will create, and continue to create studies to claim to anything that they want to show. It is all fraud, and it is all junk science. Just face it, it is the vaccines.

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • In the past 5 years I have had two cuts in my hand, one required 5 stitches, and the other cut later required 7 stitches. In both cases I was potentially what you would call at risk of tetanus. No vaccine, and no acquired tetanus. No vaccines in over 4 decades, and it is going to stay that way. If your get vaccinated fear mongering was right, we would hear a whole lot more about people acquiring tetanus, and most people have never known of anyone, and beyond what existed 60 or more years ago.

  • [Are any of these things at dosages or delivered in a way known to cause significant problems?]

    Where and when have the studies ever been done to determine what a toxic injected dose of any ingredient in a vaccine, actually is? When and where have the studies been done in determining what a toxic and or harmful injected does actually is, and in regard to the injection of multiple vaccines over lets say 6 years in time for birth to lets say, the age of 6. Because you have no such studies, and because they have never been done, does not point to a fact found conclusion that there is no evidence as to the causation of significant problems.

    When you look for the needed studies, what do you find? You find nothing. All you find is people like Paul Offit and the CDC making unfounded claims that the amounts of such as aluminum are just as high in foods, and/or more-so than what is in adjuvant form in vaccines. Ingestion and consumption therefore are assumed to be near to exactly the same and the same thing as injecting aluminum adjuvants and other substances, and some that are as well made in small amounts withing the human body. They are clearly not one and the same thing; and why have they not done any necessary studies, and that now in over 80% years in time? The reason is that before aluminum adjuvants were used in the vaccines, the FDA determined aluminum to have a status of (GRAS), generally regarded as safe, and when used in foods and other products. Thus no further safety based study was ever required, and even when the CDC had called for that need of such studies.

    Simply put, they have zero existing studies in regard to the actually multiple vaccines safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule. They have zero existing safety studies in regard the known practice of injecting into a small child anywhere from 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit. They never will have any such studies.

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDc vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiological studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”

    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these

    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”

    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine

    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”

    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    14 Studies
    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

  • “LOL” You mindlessly delusional man.

  • No there is not, and I did not.

  • Your question was directly answered. You just didn’t like and nor choose to accept the truth of the answer.

  • Did you not read the word, excerpts:? That means the wording you refer to was from a written source other than my own. So, thus it did not and does not connect me to any book and nor anything else that has been written, and nor as to having written and nor having been the author of that information. Use your head. It came from this source right here.

    http://tetrahedron.org/polio-vaccine-diagnosis-change-in-1955/

  • That original post was simply a quotation of and from this article right here. Did you not see the word, excepts? At the time the reference url link was inadvertently not included, but it is there now.

    POLIO VACCINE DIAGNOSIS CHANGE IN 1955
    http://tetrahedron.org/polio-vaccine-diagnosis-change-in-1955/

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Congrats on getting lucky. Some people also drive without seat belts and don’t get killed or hurt. Doesn’t make it a good idea.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    What? Are you denying that the vaccine schedule increased? That’s really weird, man.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Neustaedter wasn’t in this article, Lowell. But you’re right to quickly distance yourself from him.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Listen to you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Where and when have the studies ever been done to determine what a toxic injected dose of any ingredient in a vaccine, actually is?

    It depends on what you are talking about. Virtually anything in a vaccine has at least an LD50. If it’s a drug you will have toxicity trials and frequently you will have high-dosage tests.

    where have the studies been done in determining what a toxic and or harmful injected does actually is, and in regard to the injection of multiple vaccines over lets say 6 years in time for birth to lets say, the age of 6.

    This sentence is difficult to understand but long term effects are usually determined from market surveillance. As I’ve mentioned before the researchers who do that have a much better record for getting harmful vaccines off the market than any of you lot.

    Ingestion and consumption therefore are assumed to be near to exactly the same and the same thing as injecting aluminum adjuvants and other substances,

    No, ingestion and it’s resultant blood level are considered to be equivalent.

    Simply put, they have zero existing studies in regard to the actually multiple vaccines safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule.

    Not true. When children are in vaccine trials they would have the same background rate of vaccination that the population does. If they didn’t then each one would be the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated study people complain don’t exist. They are also compared against inert controls and/or placebo which provide safety information about the other parts of the vaccine.

    None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated.

    Generally because the information would be pretty useless.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiological studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period.

    If you have a specific concern about a specific study please post a link to the actual study and your concern in your own words. One at a time preferably.

  • Your existence here and that of all the other trolling shills on this site, are obviously evidence enough of there being just to much vaccine truth being told, here on these articles..

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    Sigh. Evidence of payment please.

  • [It depends on what you are talking about. Virtually anything in a vaccine has at least an LD50. If it’s a drug you will have toxicity trials and frequently you will have high-dosage tests.]

    If its a drug? So you are saying if ther ingredient substance is not considered a drug, that it needs no adequate safety testing? So get to providing direct examples of that said having been done, vaccine safety testing?

    [This sentence is difficult to understand but long term effects are usually determined from market surveillance. As I’ve mentioned before the researchers who do that have a much better record for getting harmful vaccines off the market than any of you lot.]

    Is it only difficult to understand because you choose not to understand and to comprehend it, and because you have no real and honest answers? Market surveillance? Do you mean the surveillance that takes years to do and never results in as to the findings any vaccine safety corrective action being taken?

    How many harmful vaccines have ever been taken off the market? Name them? Why has not the dangerous as for un-recovered outcomes, and at times deadly Gardasil, not been taken off the market, and when obviously it never should have been FDA approved in June of 2006? Why has it all been ignored and as well since that time also a new, dangerous, and equally unproven Gardasil 9 been additionally FDA approved? These people are ruthless for profit criminals, that is why. Was not Merck’s more harm than good done Vioxx scandal, enough?

    [No, ingestion and it’s resultant blood level are considered to be equivalent.]

    They as I said are considered as the equivalent but that on a human physiological based level, is clearly incorrect. That outcome is simply the result of and because the needed safety studies have never been done, and nor the existing independent studies, accepted. All the study science and data I put in front of you clearly shows that to be the case. They as well are not studying such as blood levels of lets say aluminum adjuvants, and that in comparison to dietary verses the vaccine injected levels of aluminum adjuvants. To say that you get as much aluminum in your blood stream from baking powder containing brownies, as you do from injected multiple vaccines, and as well in the same day and office visit, is simply a corrupt lie. Wake up.

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    [Not true. When children are in vaccine trials they would have the same background rate of vaccination that the population does. If they didn’t then each one would be the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated study people complain don’t exist. They are also compared against inert controls and/or placebo which provide safety information about the other parts of the vaccine.]

    Wow are you ever mislead, entirely brainwashed, and delusional. How long are any vaccinated studied in a vaccine clinical trial; two weeks at best, and for longer term effects? Lets take Gardasil for a recent example. No true saline placebo was ever used in the comparison of the system effects. One so called placebo was the aluminum adjuvant and the other was HPV virus like particles in the carrier solution. It is all in the over 460 page document that Merck submitted to the FDA regarding their clinical trials. Likely as well that was the same solution that is now know to be contaminated and that the CDC and FDA have continued to ignore. In most all vaccine clinical trials they are allowed as well to use a previous vaccine as the placebo, and in the assumption that it was FDA approved as safe. Tell me, why are they not required to use a true placebo in the comparisons of systemic effects?

    What exactly are you referring to as an inert control? How can you provide safety information about the other parts of the vaccine, when the placebo is made from the same things as the vaccine? No wonder the charts in their Merck clinical trails document were so similar in and as to the comparison of the vaccine to so called placebo. Both the FDA and big pharma are clearly an irresponsible and working together, reckless and criminal element.

    (None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated.)

    [Generally because the information would be pretty useless.]

    Comparing entirely unvaccinated to fully vaccinated health outcomes is a useless endeavor? Really? Why is that, because you do not actually want to know? So much for your honesty and having any credibility. We can now clearly know who you work for.

    [If you have a specific concern about a specific study please post a link to the actual study and your concern in your own words. One at a time preferably.]

    That was already put in front of and obviously you deliberately ignored it. All of those studies have and as I said, major issues with flawed study designs, the use of unreliable data, study outcomes unsupported by the data, and major issues in regard to the studies funding sources.This analysis is a directly put forth study of all the major and well known touted epidemiological studies in regard to the MMR vaccine, and as well and of course the separate subject matter of Thimerosal. It is all right there.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

  • So then your claim is that no one can and/or ever should assume that you are, and nor should they ever call you and/or ever determine you to be a pro-vaccine trolling shill, and unless they can prove that you were either paid by some vaccine vested interest source that needs to deny the vaccine truth, and/or provide evidence that you yourself have a vested interest in the use of, and the sale of vaccines. That is what you are telling me here, and as well in and as to your use of a cowardly character name that you obviously have attached to your reply posts. Could it ever actually get any more stupid, and in denial?

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    Well, yeh. For 2 years, my public disqus profile was linked to my real name via my facebook account. Naturally, I assumed it wasn’t that difficult to find out for you lot since you “did your research”, right?

    Re: shill: Sure – I don’t think that anyone should make a claim without evidence. If it happens in the heat of the moment, I think you should either post evidence or retract when requested.

  • As if all my reply posting on this site was not enough evidence of enough reason. What a twisted and foolish man. So give us your real identity and a list of any conflicts of interest that you have? Oh but that’s right, you don’t have the fortitude and nor do you believe in the truth of your mission here, and as much as I do. Thus you refuse to do the same thing as I have done, and with an obvious and full identity. .

    VacFacts
    http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • Jonathan Graham

    If its a drug? So you are saying if ther ingredient substance is not considered a drug, that it needs no adequate safety testing?

    No I’m saying how something is classified says something about the testing which you can expect to find.

    Is it only difficult to understand

    because your ability to form sentences is kind of poor.

    Market surveillance? Do you mean the surveillance that takes years to do

    Depends on how far out you want to look and what level of sensitivity you want

    and never results in as to the findings any vaccine safety corrective action being taken?

    Wrong. It’s this kind of testing that results in vaccines with actual significant adverse effects being taken off the market.

    How many harmful vaccines have ever been taken off the market? Name them?

    In other words you can’t. :-)

    They as I said are considered as the equivalent but that on a human physiological based level

    Actually you said that ingestion and injection are considered equivalent. I simply helped you out with the correct words.

    Lets take Gardasil for a recent example. No true saline placebo was ever used in the comparison of the system effects. One so called placebo was the aluminum adjuvant and the other was HPV virus like particles in the carrier solution.

    That’s not a placebo that’s an AAHS control and salene was also used in the trials. However in some cases they combined the two groups (for example looking at some of the rarer adverse events).

    Comparing entirely unvaccinated to fully vaccinated health outcomes is a useless endeavor? Really? Why is that, because you do not actually want to know?

    LOL, no but as you nor anyone else can tell me the amount of risk they are willing accept before advocating vaccines. I’d point out that we have no idea how to power (statistically) this study to make you feel better. So a) it would be useless for talking with people like you and b) unless we’re talking about something exceptionally expensive then the power of the study is going to be generally less than other extant studies. Your belief that vaccinated vs unvaccinated is some kind of magic spell – as opposed to a way to determine a dose/response relationship notwithstanding.

    That was already put in front of and obviously you deliberately ignored it. All of those studies

    No, I didn’t ignore anything – talking about something is – in fact the opposite of ignoring things. However I did ask you to FOCUS on a particular study to talk about. It’s pretty likely that you haven’t read very many of the studies you post. Conversation is like that people will sense when you are just blathering and decide that it’s not worth talking to you. :-)

    Again, pick one specific study and I’ll be happy to explain why you’re deluded. Ok?

  • Dr. Neustaedter replies to questions put to him, at the top of the article. His information in regard to vaccines and the historical history in regard to polio and the polio vaccine change in definition and diagnosis, is clearly and very precisely accurate. I really could care less what other forms of personal discreditation you have put forth. I do not know if it the charges are true; I do not know if he was framed, and I never will know. In any case he is and remains to be entirely correct on the subject matter of, and on the issue of vaccines.

  • Thomas Johnson

    When people understand you don’t believe in vaccines because you don’t believe in germ theory they’ll realize everything else you post is BS too.
    And what good has it done you to reveal your identity on the internet, Lowell?

  • Are Charlie SICK B and Thomas Johnson, the same person? Supporting each others ignorance and stupidity, and while liking each others posts?

  • That’s right, and they have. What sort of a mislead and defective imbecile would ever consider you to be credible; and when all to obviously you are not. You can continue on in your persistent delusions, but that does not do anything but make it worse for you.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Lol

  • Thomas Johnson

    Again, the readers will decide which of us is more credible.

  • Your in denial and false vaccine propaganda simply re-parroted reply posting, gives you directly away a s shill. In this day of vaccine truth information, do you actually think that people remain that ignorant, and that they actually should? And as if you think that having such significant conflicts of interest here, actually mean nothing and should mean nothing, and as well in regard to your level of credibility. The real world does not work that way.

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    I am neither denying nor confirming it.

    I am simply asking you to back up your claim.

  • [No I’m saying how something is classified says something about the testing which you can expect to find.]

    In reference to specifically what, and what vaccine ingredient? Aluminum was classified by the FDA over 80 years ago as GRAS, (generally regarded as safe), and before it was first ever used in a vaccine as an adjuvant. Since then it has no safety testing in regard to ists use in vaccines. What should that tell you about your obviously twisted view of safety simply based on alleged classifications?

    [because your ability to form sentences is kind of poor.]

    As you entirely butcher my reply comments, copy and paste them back in here, and while taking them out of any reasonably understandable and as intended intended context. But then, I knew you would do that.

    [Depends on how far out you want to look and what level of sensitivity you want]

    Go ahead and tell me where and when a vaccine clinical trial or study ever looked at any vaccine safety analysis beyond a very short time period of a few days to two or three weeks? And as if you want to the readers here to believe there is actually caring and well done scientific study being done in regard to the safety of vaccines. Really? There actually and quite obviously is not.

    [Wrong. It’s this kind of testing that results in vaccines with actual significant adverse effects being taken off the market.]

    I asked you to list when, and what vaccines have been taken off the market? You failed to do that.

  • Jonathan Graham

    In reference to specifically what, and what vaccine ingredient?

    Ever think of being clearer? No? No wonder.

    Aluminum was classified by the FDA over 80 years ago as GRAS

    Slightly wrong. Certain aluminium compounds are classified as GRAS. The four I know off the top of my head which are used as adjuvants are. As for safety testing when you test a vaccine against an AAHS control you are doing just that.

    As you entirely butch

    Not sure what you’re on about here.

    Go ahead and tell me where and when a vaccine clinical trial or study ever looked at any vaccine safety analysis

    post-marketing monitoring and VSDI both look at safety more than a few weeks out. You can see this because these are used in retrospective studies on vaccine safety. Every vaccine that has been taken off the market for adverse effects has been caught by researchers and doctors – your lot has a score of zero (if we count all the fake things you report then you’re well into negative integers).

    I asked you to list when, and what vaccines have been taken off the market? You failed to do that.

    …and I’ve asked you a number of questions you’ve ignored. You can’t even focus on a single study for me. Guess this is why we can’t have nice things. The point I suppose is that it should be easy to figure this out. I can think of three just off-the-top of my head. Can’t you?

  • Thomas Johnson

    You should know Lowell since you track peoples’ IP addresses.

  • As said you have already done that, and for the reasons I stated.

  • Jonathan Graham

    do you actually think that people remain that ignorant

    You make me sure of it. ;-)

  • Sonja Henie

    “How many harmful vaccines have ever been taken off the market? Name them?”

    Lyme Disease; the old rotavirus vaccine.

    “Go ahead and tell me where and when a vaccine clinical trial or study
    ever looked at any vaccine safety analysis beyond a very short time
    period of a few days to two or three weeks?”

    Are you totally insane?
    The median duration of follow-up was 4.0, 3.0, 3.0, 3.0, 2.3, and 4.0 years for Study 1, Study 2, Study 3, Study 4, Study 5, and Study 6, respectively.
    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm111263.pdf

  • Jonathan Graham

    As if all my reply posting on this site was not enough evidence of enough reason.

    I think if you removed a lot of your needless invective, vague references, copy/pasta and meandering self-indulgent dialog. I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t have much left. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    So then your claim is that no one can and/or ever should assume that you are, and nor should they ever call you and/or ever determine you to be a pro-vaccine trolling shill, and unless they can prove that you were either paid by some vaccine vested interest source that needs to deny the vaccine truth, and/or if they can provide evidence that you yourself have a vested interest in the use of, and the sale of vaccines. That is what you are telling me here, and as well in and as to your use of a cowardly character name that you obviously have attached to your reply posts.

    This is totally what I mean by meandering and self-indulgent.

    I think that if you’re going to call someone a shill that you should be able to support it in a pretty strong way. That said, you probably do the pharmaceutical companies more favors than any of us. I mean you’re kind of the stereotype of the anti-vaccine nutcase right? Do you think that HARMS big pharma?

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    Nope. Just asking for evidence.

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    Evidence please.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Nope. As I’ve said previously, I support Thomas because he is a fellow warrior for vaccine truth.

  • Jenniffer

    Which came first? The mito disorder or the autism? Even the experts can’t say that a mito disorder causes autism because no one has done the research. Just like the experts can’t say that vaccines don’t cause autism because no one has done the research.
    http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1721109,00.html

    Of course all cases settled by the VICP are settled out of court because it isn’t a court. There is no jury of your peers, there is no judge, there is no public gallery. All you gotta do is prove your child’s injury (or death) after vaccination is listed on the table. Hannah Poling’s injuries after vaccination resulted in an autism diagnosis for which she was paid $1.5 million of your money and awarded $500k (of your money) every year for life.

    Call it what ever you want but if it walks like a duck….

    Two weeks of measles or ‘flu doesn’t pose as much risk as 9 vaccines in one day.

  • Kiko

    I see you have yet to provide anyone’s vaccination records even though you falsely proclaim them to be anti vaxxers. Hypocrite.

  • Jenny Higgs

    Sorry. Difference between describing somebody’s stance on things and claiming an occupation.

    Besides which, ad hominem tu quoque is a logical fallacy.

  • Kiko

    “ad hominem tu quoque”
    k.

  • Jenny Higgs

    Yes.

    For example:

    Alice is a heavy smoker but is also active in quit-lines and lung cancer charities.
    Alice tells Bob he shouldn’t start smoking because it’s bad for his health.
    Alice tells Charlie he should quit smoking because it would improve his health
    Bob and Charlie can point out that Alice smokes and it would factually be correct.
    However, it’s not a logically correct rebuttal because the simple fact is that Alice’s statement is ALSO correct – neither of them should smoke because it’s bad for their health.

    Alice is a hypocrite but she’s a factually correct hypocrite.

  • Tony S

    Good one Kiko!

  • eggman2

    Vaccines have not prevented a freckle of feces in the world but have caused more and worse illnesses than the stupid little diseases that their stupid proponents claim. The diseases and conditions that vaccines cause are terminal.

  • eggman2

    Vaccines have not eliminated crap. You can not eliminate anything that is always in the environment. It is in the soil.

    Vaccines weaken the body , so they don’t do anything to prevent disease because germs attack weak animals.

    There is no evidence from protituted scientists and prostituted institutions , all well paid by the junk medicine robber barons. It is all propaganda. They are propaganda prostitutes like you.

    All infectious diseases went down with better nutrition and hygiene. Vitamin C is a nutrient, nutrients are better than drugs and chemicals foreign to the body. Vitamin C destroys bacteria on contact. Tetanus is caused by bacteria.

    Anyone that believes that the injection of ” GMO-putrefactive-biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens, mutagens, and teratogens “( vaccines ) is good for ones health is stupid. What’s good for you is to realize that you are stupid, and change.

    The Declaration of Independence was a declaration of previous stupidity. Declare your independence from stupid modern junk allopathic medical pseudoscience , and become a better person like the founding fathers did.

  • eggman2

    BS

  • eggman2

    Thanks

  • eggman2

    I agree with you. But when I see the vaccinators crying that a vaccine had a percentage of success, I look at it with a jaundiced eye. They lie a lot, for one thing.

    But another thing is that the absence of symptoms is not the absence of disease. A person can have a cancer for years without knowing. Just because the vaccine messes up the organism so much that it can not out put out a good fight with a beneficial fever, it can not be assumed that the illness was prevented. Usually drugs cut out the symptoms, but not illness.

  • eggman2

    Look who is talking, someone that believes that injecting “GMO-putrefactive-biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens, mutagens, and teratogens ” ( vaccines ) is good for ones health because the junk medicine robber barons say so.

  • eggman2

    Yes, having been vaccinated, and not having the diseases for which you were supposedly vaccinated, does not mean that you are immune from those diseases, and that vaccines are perfectly safe.

    ” GMO-PUTREFACTIVE-BIOHAZARDOUS material in a soup of carcinogens, mutagens, and teratogens ” ( vaccines ) are not good for anyone’s health.

  • eggman2

    Don’t count your victories. You don’t what might be breeding in there.

  • eggman2

    They are the blind leading the blind.

  • eggman2

    Vaccines attack the brain, changing the personality. Any change in personality: homosexuality, schizophrenia, autism , and so on , can have their roots in vaccination.

  • Joe Cogan

    Wow. Are you sure there isn’t mercury in that tin foil hat you’re wearing?

  • eggman2

    No, I mean the people that you are prostituted to.

  • eggman2

    With the majority of people being as stupid as you are ( If not we would not have the problems that we have. ) my prospects are pretty good, thank you.

  • eggman2

    To have to talk with insane people like you makes one insane.

  • Joe Cogan

    Suuuure. It’s just a coincidence that people don’t get polio any more, or that smallpox has been wiped out. Do you really believe the woo that you’re spouting?

  • Joe Cogan

    Yet another content-free answer. Try again.

  • eggman2

    Wow, you are a propaganda prostitute working for the junk medicine robber barons .

  • Joe Cogan

    *Yawn*. When all else fails, accuse the person who doesn’t buy the woo you’re peddling of being a paid shill. Absolutely classic!

  • Joe Cogan

    Everything you wrote above is complete nonsense. Where are you getting your endless misinformation from?

  • eggman2

    That’s true for the alleged benefits of vaccines, but not for the damage they cause.

  • Joe Cogan

    Your continued refusal to answer a simple question doesn’t say much for your position.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Please feel free to cute reputable sources to back your assertions.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3875621/

    children with 22q11DS have high prevalence of autism spectrum (ASD), attention deficit, and anxiety disorders, as well as psychotic-like features, and up to 30% of adolescents and adults develop schizophrenia-like psychosis. 

  • CumExApostolatus
  • Jenny Higgs

    Yet another person who doesn’t know the difference between an adverse event and a side effect.

  • CharlieB1972

    Get back to me when vaccines kill anywhere close to the 300 million to 500 million who were killed by smallpox in the 20th Century. Vaccines wiped smallpox out. BTW, you forgot to caps lock on “vaccines”.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    You are just a tad grandiose….

  • Tomayto, tomahto. Both are used interchangeably, and it doesn’t really matter, because all (and more) are caused by vaccinations, and all are bad, whatever you care to call them. Keep up those penny-ante efforts to deflect from the real issue.

  • Jenny Higgs

    Can you explain the VAERS report after zero doses of lot none of the MMR then, Suki?

  • Jenny Higgs

    The way this evidence-based claim works is I only need one claim of problems with vaccines making a newspaper or whatever.

    Here’s one: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-damaged-uk-victims-swine-flu-vaccine-get-60-million-compensation-1438572

  • Jenny Higgs

    There’s a group on facebook that does that.

    They use Unicef for their trolling.

  • Jenny Higgs

    You’re confusing Excise taxes with income taxes.

    Big Pharma pays 75c on each dose into the liability fund.

    If you’re claiming that it gets passed onto the taxpayers then well…you have no cause to complain that the herd doesn’t support vaccine-injuries.

  • Jenny Higgs

    So you won’t be citing VAERs to bolster your claims of Vaccine injuries then?

    Excellent news.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Brilliant retort

  • Not at all. The truth is the truth. Observation is observation. So you are telling me that you refuse reality. Instead, you want to live in some cognitive dissonance filled in denial of all… vaccines are the savior holy water fantasy.

  • Jenny Higgs

    Adverse reaction =/= adverse event!

  • That’s not even a sentence. Makes no sense.

  • Jenniffer

    Pig Pharma does not pay one cent. Pig Pharma has complete immunity from ANY and ALL liability when it comes to vaccines. That is why the US gov’t runs a pretend court called the VICP. Look it up. The taxpayer pays the 75 cents. You pay the vaccine tax and then you *pay* again when you or your child is injured by the vaccine. Stuck twice as it turns out.

  • Jenniffer

    Why would 25% of kids need to be hospitalised? Aren’t they vaccinated? The rate of measles vaccine coverage is high everywhere just about. So either the magic vaccine works or it doesn’t. Wonder what the rate of hospitalisations were back before there was a magic vaccine. You know, back in the day when most of us over 40 caught measles and got to stay home from school for a few days.

    You can take your chances with my booster shots as well.

  • Jenniffer

    Trustworthy, then…right?

  • Sonja Henie

    Not my point, but they’re not part of “Big Pharma”. Don’t worry, the black helicopter will arrive soon!

  • AutismDadd

    Oxy moron you mean

  • Kiko

    Common sense shill, if I punch your eye is the closing , swelling, black and blue just a coincidence? Well your honor what you have not taken in to consideration is that correlation is not causation, all charges dropped.

  • Kiko

    Vaccine pushing is a business just like used car sales. All of your “the world will die if we dont vaccinate” is pure fear mongering, shilling and above all unadulterated speculation. Tell me the story about the black Disney measles plague that almost eradicated the human race from planet earth. You paid commenters are purely insane.

  • Kiko

    Who are they or you are just telling fables again Mr. shill. Kooks? Are they cranks too and charlatans? C’mon bro don’t be shy dive head first in to the book of shills. Show everyone what you are really doing here.

  • Kiko

    There is ample evidence showing a vaccine autism link. Why do you chose to ignore it?

  • Kiko

    Chemist, I am a helicopter. Shut up shill.

  • Joe Cogan

    Sorry, but your case is more along the lines of “my neighbor gave me the evil eye and my crops failed, therefore, she’s a witch”.

  • Kiko

    My neighbor gave me the evil eye with her arm resting on a barrel of crop poison. And then.

  • Kiko

    Normal kid becomes brain damaged after the MMR, MMR insert lists brain damage, yeah must have been the air pollution or cookies and juice.

  • Jenny Higgs

    “Pig Pharma does not pay one cent.” Wrong. They pay the excise tax which is a tax from Pharma to the government.

    ” Pig Pharma has complete immunity from ANY and ALL liability when it comes to vaccines.” If you’d bothered to read the decision YOURSELF and not relied on some website to tell you what the judgement was like a sheeple, you would know that all NCVIP does is Pre-empt (and that this is a different word from EXEMPT) design defect claims.

    Manufacturing and labeling defects can be sued for normally. For design defects, you just have to go through NCVIP FIRST.

    In other words, which you would already know if you’d read the case yourself rather than reading someone else’s version of it…Big Pharma is not even immune from all product liability, much less all liability.

    Compare that to a knife for example.

    Manufacturing defect? Go ahead and sue them – you’ll need to pay for everything though.
    Labelling defect? Go ahead and sue them – you’ll need to pay for everything though.
    Design defect? Sorry, you’re out of luck, buddy.

    “That is why the US gov’t runs a pretend court called the VICP. ” Yup. It really is a pretend court since it’s actually an administrative program (National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program)- you’d never get away with as weak evidence as you have most of the time in real court…or even civil court…VICP is way lower burden of proof than civil court which in turn has a lower burden of proof than criminal court.

    But take it up with B.L. Fisher if you don’t like it.

    “Look it up. The taxpayer pays the 75 cents.” Not directly. In terms of it getting into the court’s coffer, Big Pharma pays the tax Now, you’re correct that it gets passed on to the taxpayer as mark-up but that’s just how capitalism works – and you’ve just proved that the herd does put their money where their mouth is when it comes to compensating those who are injured by the vaccine.

    “You pay the vaccine tax and then you *pay* again when you or your child is injured by the vaccine. Stuck twice as it turns out.” – Nope. NVICP pays for lawyers, expert witnesses and everything else.

  • Joe Cogan

    Vaccines and other medications list adverse events that have been reported after taking them. It does not mean that the vaccine or other medication is directly implicated as a cause. And that millions of normal kids *don’t* become brain damaged following the MMR is a pretty strong indication that the cause may lie elsewhere.

  • Joe Cogan

    No, I’m interested in keeping people from getting easily preventable diseases that have been making a comeback because of anti-vaxxer k00ks. No one needs to pay me for that.

  • Kiko

    Genetics and environment, African Americans are more susceptible to certain environmental assaults such as vaccines. That is your elsewhere, still vaccines. Delay the MMR, do a vacc vs unvacc study and you will see I am right.

  • bwf309

    Provide access to your financial accounts please

  • Jenny Higgs

    You clearly already have them since you made the claim you were sure I was a shill.

  • bwf309

    LOL The circumstantial evidence you provide with your constant and ubiquitous presence regarding this subject is compelling. You may dispute this evidence by providing access to your financial records of course.

  • Jenny Higgs

    Nope. Sorry.

    Your definition of shill appears to be “anyone that disagrees with me” a lot.

  • Sonja Henie

    Yep! Especially if they use science.

  • bwf309

    No, it would be someone that seems to show up 90% of the time on vaccine or drug related comment sections defending the pharmaceutical industry at all hours of the day and night with an uncanny consistency to try to discredit contrary information, deflect the conversation or drive the conversation off onto unrelated tangents. I will give you credit, however, you rarely go off on a name calling rant and I can say I have never seen you throw foul invectives around as some of the other less sophisticated trolls are wont to do.

  • Jenny Higgs

    “all hours of the day and night” – I average~5 comments a day.

  • Sonja Henie

    What would that prove? Your parents probably had more sense than you!

  • Kiko

    Not necessary shill, you are the evidence.

  • Kiko

    Huh? Focal seizure?

  • Kiko

    It shows they are a sock puppet trying to manipulate opinion.

  • Kiko

    (2)
    Whatever raises body temperature increases risk. Many boys have
    a faster metabolic rate than girls; their slightly higher
    temperature promotes fungal gas generation and higher “SIDS”
    risk. High room temperature and facedown sleeping increase risk
    that way too. A fever can increase gas generation tenfold or more;
    consumption of a processed-food diet increases risk by weakening
    immunity leading to more infections and fevers. Fever created by
    vaccinations may recur at known intervals afterward, increasing
    risk on those days if the mattress is generating the gases.
    Among Caucasian babies in New Zealand sleeping on BabeSafe®, any
    fevers from vaccinations do no harm because these babies are
    not exposed to toxic gases.
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/sids-part-four.aspx

  • Jenny Higgs

  • Kat

    25% of kids who get measles.
    As in.
    98% are vaccinated.
    2% are not.
    From those who are not, and get measles, another quarter end up in the hospital.
    And YOU may have stayed home sick, but 2.6 million got a funeral each year. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/)
    I will admit that since now most people who get measles are infants, that number might be much higher than pre-vaccine.

  • Jenniffer

    Great! Then you and all your alter egos can pith off.

  • Jenniffer

    When and where did 2.6 million souls die from measles? Provide evidence that the 25% hospitalised because of measles are not vaccinated. Provide evidence that most who get measles now are infants. The Disneyland fracas was almost all adults.

    You are still welcome to my MMR shots now and forever. I will take the chance with my immune system which hasn’t failed me yet.

  • Jenniffer

    So what you said is that the NVICP is funded by a tax per dose paid by the vaccine manufacturer who passes on the tax to the taxpayer who pays the gov’t to buy the vaccines. You said the taxpayer-funded NVICP pays for lawyers, expert witnesses and everything else.

    Thank you for confirming what I had said (but with a lot fewer words).

    The herd has no idea about the NVICP because the herd has no clue that vaccines have a risk so thank you for informing the herd.

    Provide evidence that the NVICP requires a “way lower burden of proof…”. This statement alone proves that you have no clue what you are talking about. Look up how many petitioners have lost in the pretend court. Look up how many billions the pretend court is not spending on compensation, in spite of the low “burden of proof”. The fund has billions of taxpayer dollars and yet, the taxpayer still has to foot the bill for the needs of all those who were denied compensation because they will require care and support for their lives. The pretend court is a joke.

    No person may bring a civil action for damages greater than $1,000 against a vaccine administrator or manufacturer in a State or Federal court for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988. US Code, 2010 Edition, Title 42, Chapter 6A, Subchapter XIX, Part 2, Sec. 300aa-11

    Thanks for playing. You, and the US taxpayer, lose.

  • Kiko

    I see Huffington Post is at it again with their hand picked contributing writers. This time it’s an autism Mom and Dad spitting in the face of the disabled. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-mighty/3-responses-for-people-wh_b_9350226.html Even though I think the children are adopted because they are a well to do white couple with African American kids. http://www.laurencasper.com/2015/06/16/three-simple-reasons-we-take-our-son-with-autism-out-and-about/
    Here is the part I find offensive.

    “3. It’s good for the general public. The fact that
    there are so many people who think our children should be kept out of
    the public eye is disturbing. It reminds me of a time not so long ago
    when you simply didn’t see people with special needs out in the
    community. Why? Because they were institutionalized. People who had so
    much to offer this world were hidden away because of fear, ignorance,
    apathy and a lack of compassion and resources.”

    So Lauren and Pastor husband, this seems like charlatan like behavior if I ever done seen it, SNORT! You believe that we never used to see special needs children out and about in public because the parents used to institutionalize them? And now a days parents are just much better people who choose not to institutionalize their child? Let me let YOU in on a little secret that I think you already know, less vaccines back then = less autistic kids in public, more vaccines now = more autistic kids in public.
    You’re welcome.

  • Jenny Higgs

    Probably, she thinks it would prove that she hasn’t always been anti-vaccine.

    What she’s missing is that I don’t freaking *care* whether she was the staunchest pro-vaxxer a decade ago or not – she is anti-vax now, as evidenced by anti-vax lying comments everywhere.

    And if vaccines are so goddamn awful..why do you have to fail chemistry to make them sound scarier?

  • Jenny Higgs

    There’s a difference between a stance and an occupation.

  • Kiko

    Your occupation is paid commenter with education in tech support. You have no medical backround, stop shilling and let people find the truth without interference from you and your paid gang of commenters.

  • Kiko

    You average a lot more because you have multiple accounts, would you like me to post some of your sock puppet account comments that have stupid things like elements and compounds, and homemade vaccine pushing pics?

  • Jenny Higgs

    The only other account is Sia, abandoned 5 months ago.

  • Jenny Higgs

    Nope, don’t get paid for this.

  • eggman2

    There are only two classifications for people like you: Either you are a psychopathic propaganda prostitute or you’re an extremely stupid person. Someone that promotes the injuring of little babies with ” GMO-putrefactive-biohazardous in a soup of carcinogens, mutagens, and teratogens ” ( vaccines ) is not a good person. In the same way, someone that believes that vaccines are conductive to good health is an extremely stupid person.

    Vaccines can’t prevent disease because vaccines cause disease–like any form of pollution does. Stupid people fail to see that pollution and malnutrition cause all diseases. And the ” junk medicine robber barons ” ( the vaccine makers ) have people like you to keep them confused.

    Pollution doesn’t go away , but gets even stronger as it is being promoted by government. Now with the trend of forced vaccination more pollution is being injected into people to work synergistically with the one in the air , food , and water to destroy people’s immune system and their lives.

    Malnutrition is not being stopped by government either –especially among American citizens. American citizen children are –on top of their poisoning with vaccines– made to suffer malnutrition by keeping their parents unemployed to allow illegal aliens, refugees , and visa workers in the country ; plus the aim the aim of government and industry is not to replace the supply of junk food with nutritious one.

  • Joe Cogan

    Thanks for making my point that you’re an anti-science k00k far more eloquently than I could have. Kudos.

  • eggman2

    Don’t be stupid. The junk medicine robber barons with their propaganda prostitutes –like yourself–try to link every possible I provement in health to vaccines. And by the same token, they say that everything that happens to be wrong is because not vaccines have been given.

    How could injecting ” GMO-putrefactive-biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens, mutagens, and teratogens ” ( vaccines ) be good for anyone’s health ? That is only good in the mind of an extremely stupid person. That is like saying that we can not live without air pollution and that air pollution is good for one’s health.

    I know that propaganda prostitutes or extremely stupid people, like yourself , follow me up. You don’t need remind me.

  • eggman2

    You inject the poison in the body, and the same poison causes different illnesses and conditions. Some get cancer, some get heart attacks, some get mental conditions, … and so on. What you get depends on genetics and the environment, but it is never good. But it is definitely caused by the poison when they were normal before the vaccine and their personality changed after the vaccine.

  • eggman2

    There are so many. While there are none in the propaganda prostitutes’ , like yourself, working for the junk medicine robber barons’ side.

  • Jenniffer

    Hog wash. Provide evidence that the pretend court is “much friendlier”. Have you brought a case there? Did you win millions in compensation for your child’s vaccine-injury or $250,000 for vaccine-related death? Why would anyone need to “appeal all the way to the Supreme Court” if the pretend court gives away tax-payers money so readily?

    How about you and Jenny take the entire schedule of vaccines recommended for our children up to 18 years, adjusted to your body weight. Then you will be able to tell us first hand how effective the pretend court really is.

  • Jenniffer

    You sound suspiciously like a pollie who receives pharma donations. Have you explained to your constituent herd that they pay for the vaccines their gov’t buys because it doesn’t have any money of its own? Does your herd get that they also contribute to the billion dollar fund each time they take their child to get jabbed because see above?

    You could end this speculation about vaccine injury if you would take all of the vaccines recommended up to age 18, adjusted for your body weight. Should be a no-brainer for a true believer.

  • eggman2

    Your position as a propaganda prostitute is obvious.

  • Joe Cogan

    LOL! Of course: when in doubt, accuse your opponent of being a paid shill. Absolutely classic k00kery. And you still can’t answer a simple question.

  • eggman2

    Don’t be stupid. All germs are in the environment. If not where the hell you think they come from ? They become active, mutate , and attack when human beings give them the opportunity with poor health practices, pollution, and malnutrition.

    You are either a propaganda prostitute paid by the junk medicine robber barons to misinform, or you are an extremely stupid person.

  • eggman2

    No, I always give the benefit of the doubt , too. You could be an extremely stupid person.

  • eggman2

    Blah, blah

  • eggman2

    The junk medicine robber barons and their propaganda prostituted agents, like yourself, have changed and manipulated data to fit their idea and agenda that vaccines work. But vaccines are a stupid invention that have killed and disabled millions of people throughout history.

  • eggman2

    Mercury is in vaccines. That is why people, like you , if well vaccinated, suffer a lot of brain damage.

  • Joe Cogan

    Good grief, but you have no clue what you’re talking about, and I’m not going to bother teaching you basic High School biology regarding infectious disease.

  • Sonja Henie
  • eggman2

    Someone that says that kids can be kept healthy by injecting them with ” GMO-putrefactive-biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens, mutagens, and teratogens ” ( vaccines) is either a paid up propaganda prostitute or an extremely stupid person.

  • eggman2

    Get that simbol out of your avatar. It has been used by people that believe like me for years , but you are not one of them.

  • eggman2

    And vaccinate yourself as many times as possible–good riddance.

  • eggman2

    They have money in the vaccine industry. So its all about money, nothing about the children.

  • eggman2

    Pro-science, pro- public–what a laugh. Prostitution is what they are.

  • A. Nuran

    Here’s hoping your children die slow, degrading, agonizing deaths form tetanus, smallpox, diphtheria and measles. And any survivors get cervical cancer or spend their lives in an iron lung from polio

  • eggman2

    They are forcefully vaccinated. I have seen that if they are given the choice , they will say no. Who wants to be injected with ” GMO-putrefactive-biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens, mutagens, and teratogens ” ( vaccines ). Only an extremely stupid person would.

  • eggman2

    They were forced vaccinated or lose your job kind of deal. I have seen those news.

  • eggman2

    Those are the governmental prostitutions ( instead of institutions ). There you have the CDC, FDA, NIH, and so on.

  • eggman2

    Prostituted special masters , too ?

  • eggman2

    BETTER TO GET THE INFECTIONS THAN THE VACCINES

    ” The New York Times published an article ( December 1, 1988 ) on findings by Dr. John Walker-Smith of St. Bartholomew’s Hospital in London, an expert on intestinal diseases of children. In this article Dr. Walker-Smith reported on a sharp increase in Crohn’s disease ( affecting the small intestines ) in children of East Indian origin WHO HAD GROWN IN GREAT BRITAIN, while in India the disease ” is very rare indeed “. Dr. Walker-Smith believes that the decline of many childhood infections might allow children in the West to grow up without the vigorous development of their immune system defenses that such infections would ordinarily promote. ”

    ——-Harold E. Buttram, MD
    Family Practice
    Quakertown, Pennsylvania

    From” Foreword II ” of ” Vaccines: are they really safe and effective ? ” By Neil Z. Miller

  • Jenniffer

    First link won’t load; second, third and fourth links are opinion blogs. David Gorski is no longer the go-to guy for the anti-choice brigade. Surprised you didn’t know that. But you zealots never can seem to keep up with the latest information about anything really.

    I see you’ve got Mike Stevens for a fan. Wonder if he has taken every vaccine he thinks pregnant women should get; you know, so he can assure us they are safe. I doubt it since not one vaccine-lover has ever had the courage to actually take all the vaccines they think are necessary for everyone else. Pathetic.

  • Kiko

    http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Viruses_and_Virus_Nucleic_Acid_Contaminate_Vaccines.php

    “Human and veterinary
    vaccines have been found contaminated with wide array of viruses that are
    deemed harmless or less risky than the attenuated live virus of the vaccine.
    These contaminating garbage viruses are nowhere near as well investigated than
    they should have been prior to the commercialization of the vaccines. The
    contaminating garbage viruses are deemed harmless because they do not elicit
    sera conversion (production of antibody) even though the garbage viruses
    frequently produce proteins that are toxic in specific tissues. The
    contaminating garbage vaccines are actively cytotoxic in some cases, and
    potentially so in other cases by mutation or recombination to create new retroviruses
    that are life threatening. Among the garbage viruses, the small circular single
    stranded DNA viruses deserve special attention as they are so widespread in the
    human and animal populations. Such widespread dispersal of TTV and circoviruses
    could cause disaster. The first step in dealing with the garbage viruses is to
    provide informed consent to those being vaccinated with contaminated vaccines.
    The second is to carry out post-release monitoring for potential hazards from
    mutation and recombination, as highlighted in this article.”

  • Sonja Henie

    I think Mike has taken all those vaccines that are recommended for pregnant women, as have his kids. So I have I and my kids. Good heavens, it’s only Tdap and flu for pregnancy. I’ve had those and many more.

    Try this link for the table injuries. http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/

  • Kat

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S1.long

    If you can refute that article, you need to get your arguments published in a journal, barbecue you will be rich and famous for expose how vaccines don’t work.

  • Jenniffer

    ??

  • Jenniffer

    That link wouldn’t work either.

    Why would anyone subject themselves let alone their precious children to the toxic load of vaccines year after year? It is truly amazing that you vaccine-lovers think if you don’t have your yearly allotment you will keel over and die.

    You, your alter egos and Mike can all fight over all the vaccines earmarked for my family this year and every year forever. You’re welcome.

  • Kiko

    I see that the more paid commenters like you get blocked with all their fake upvotes and multiple accounts the easier it is to expose the truth about vaccines and parents choice over medical tyranny. You are just that, a tyrant. You need a visit from the tyrannical teabagger ha ha. Go cry somewhere else with your edited responses.

  • Sonja Henie

    There’s something wrong with your computer then. Google “VAERS Table Injuries”.

  • Kiko

    On your way there be sure to veer into oncoming semi trucks, studies have shown this can build character. :)

  • Jenniffer

    There’s something wrong with all computers.

    You claim it is easy to prove table injuries. Provide proof of this please.

    “No fault” means the manufacturer, the state nor the person who administers the vaccine can be held liable.

    It does not mean an automatic “win” for the petitioner.

  • Sonja Henie

    Dammit, I posted the link twice and gave you the words to Google. You’re playing a game.

  • eggman2

    Good you mentioned all those illnesses that are caused by vaccines. They are also caused by malnutrition, and the debilitating and physiologically disruptive environmental pollution. But vaccines are injected pollution that does the same.

    You have to be an extremely stupid person , or a very well paid by the vaccine makers propaganda prostitute to express yourself like that.

  • A. Nuran

    Caused by? Just like there was no rabies before Pasteur, Rinderpest is still epidemic and smallpox only happened after Jenner.

    Were you born that stupid or did you have to study?

  • eggman2

    You teach yourself your junk science and become even more stupid in the process. It has been proven scientifically that for an animal to be attacked by germs , that animal has to be weak already. That means that the germ by itself cannot do anything if the animal is well fed and cared for.

    It is extremely stupid of you to ignore the fact that you are surrounded by deadly germ’s all of the time. Tetanus is in the soil , Escherichia coli is in your colon, anthrax is in the bones of cows ( watch out that rare done t – bone steak ) and so on. Yet you don’t die and will not die from any of it for as long as you remain healthy and strong. To remain healthy and strong you need good nutrition and other natural things ( not vaccines ).

  • Jenniffer

    Yep. Because vaccine safety is a game. Go home Sonja or whoever you are today. You are out of your depth.

  • Joe Cogan

    Good grief, but you’re an idiot! Tetanus and E. coli are bacteria. Anthrax is a spore. Vaccines mainly protect against *viral* diseases that are spread from host to host. Again, it’s not my job to teach you basic High School biology, and we are done here.

  • Sonja Henie

    Honey, if you’ve never heard of table injuries, you’re the one who’s out of their depth.

  • Jenniffer

    Not once did I say I’d “never heard of table injuries”.

    Comprehension is a learned skill so you still have time, sweetheart.

  • Sonja Henie

    Snort!

  • Jenniffer

    Might want to see your GP about that.

  • Jenniffer

    Petitions Filed, Compensated and Dismissed Since the Beginning of VICP, 10/01/1988 through 06/01/2015:

    15,976 – filed

    9,904 – dismissed

    4,121 – compensated

    Compensated cases cost the US taxpayer : $3,181,814,022 including attorney’s fees.

    “No-fault” clearly doesn’t mean an automatic win for anyone, except maybe the lawyers.

  • Mike Stevens

    “Here is the part I find offensive.”

    I am surprised that someone like you who would gladly kill half a million people to prevent his child becoming autistic is offended by anything, frankly.

  • Jenniffer

    Where did you get the half a million stat from, Mike?

  • Jenniffer

    Still the same old crap coming out of her yap, tho…

  • Mike Stevens

    Here is where Kiko/Jeff/Bridgit said he would kill 500,000 people:
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/skepticalraptorblog/vaccination_mortality_risk_there8217s_nothing_there/#comment-2539025468
    “If I had my finger on a button that would kill 500,000 people to save my Daughter from regressing into ‘autism’ whatever that is, I would push it feverishly and without hesitation.”

  • Jenniffer

    Until you walk a mile in his shoes…

  • Kiko

    And one of the more aggressive shills pokes his head out. Remember when you guys were arguing about home videos showing problems with some of the omnibus kids? How about me having a write up from genetics 4 months before MMR stating that there are no problems whatsoever. A perfectly healthy 8 month old with normal development and no feeding issues. What caused this sudden unexplained regression after the MMR at 12.5 months of age? Shaking, stiffening, stimming, head banging, screaming, suddenly autistic with no explanation. It was the MMR vaccine.

  • Mike Stevens

    Hmmmm…. I am “aggressive” according to the guy who would kill half a million people without hesitation?

  • Kiko

    Out of context, it was a response to a comment. That is called dishonesty. Like when you said I claimed to be Dr. Paul when you know I did not. It can also be called poor character. Care to admit you were wrong and apologise?

  • Reality022

    I agree. If killing 5 million innocent children (including yours) would bring back my dear sainted mother I would do it without hesitation.
    You see, it’s all about me and my happiness and if that means I have to sacrifice innocent children to satan to get it then that’s what it takes… and I’m not a psychopath! /sarc

    Before you condemn me for being a murderous maniac, walk a mile in my shoes…

  • AutismDadd

    May be time to roll in the BULL dozer.

  • AutismDadd

    And what is the actual amount? I’ve read vaccines generate 27 Billion in business overall including all variables, so its doing fine. Government backs them as creators of jobs and for lowering medical expenditures. How much is saved and created overall? just saying 2% blah blah hardly means anything.

  • AutismDadd

    No not ironic because honest science has apparently gone out of style. Ownership of science and profit motives have replaced it.

  • AutismDadd

    They are indoctrinated. Their license practice is based on following orders.

  • AutismDadd

    quackwatch….pure evidence of trolldom.

  • Mike Stevens

    He doesn’t have a monopoly on problems with his kids, or serious health issues in his family. There are issues in my family, but I Would never think of wishing I could kill 500,000 people to cure my own daughter from having Crohn’s disease for example.
    Don’t tell me you actually agree with his sentiments, do you? How many people would you feel it is reasonable to kill to prevent a child of yours becoming autistic?

  • AutismDadd

    Peer reviewed is rubbish. So tainted and untrustworthy because profit is now the goal of science.

  • AutismDadd

    Yawn. ANOTHER bland vanilla talking point that is absolutely meaningless.

  • Mike Stevens

    Out of context?
    I cannot envisage any context whatsoever where it would be acceptable to kill half a million people to prevent a case of autism in my family.
    The one who needs a character examination appears to be you, not me.

  • AutismDadd

    Another pro-vaxx parrot repeating like a redneck at a chilli festival.

  • AutismDadd

    Yawn. More of Kathy’s typical denial.

  • AutismDadd

    More likely a Conglomerate bought the rights and shut it down because they also own vaccine patents.

  • AutismDadd

    Right out of the manual.

  • AutismDadd

    Where’s your evidence? Blah Blah is not evidence.

  • AutismDadd

    Yep. You get blocked when you are critical of vaccines. Site is owned by a pro no doubt .

  • AutismDadd

    Kathy…troll

  • AutismDadd

    Explain it then. And WHY does it matter. No one wants EITHER to happen to their child.

  • AutismDadd

    So bad, so funny.

  • AutismDadd

    How to troll 101.

  • Sonja Henie

    It never occurred to me to kill the entire population of Denver ~500,000 at the time, to prevent my daughter’s melanoma, which no she did NOT get from sunbathing. ( Just to stay ahead of the trolls onhere.)

  • Jenniffer

    Always amazes me that folks need to tell everyone when they are being sarcastic. If you were really being sarcastic, everyone would know. That’s how it works. On the other hand, if you’re just idiotic, well, that’s obvious too.

  • Kiko

    I cannot envisage, ANY CONTEXT WHATSOEVER where it would be acceptable to consider children collateral damage or accepted failures simply because the CDC decided to lie about a safety issue and properly address vaccination dangers. Children could have been spared with a little transparency, now what you have is a coverup. And you and your dirty little shills are complicit.

  • Jenniffer

    Where did he say he wished he could kill 500,000 people? My entire point is that I don’t have an autistic child so I don’t have the burden he carries every day. Part of that burden is the knowledge that autism is preventable.

    Is your daughter allowed to attend school even tho she doesn’t get live vaccines?

  • CharlieB1972

    Tonight, my lapochka, I will die for the Motherland! Katyusha Rockets of Vaccine Truth, FIRE!

    https://vactruth.com/2016/03/01/toxic-aluminum-in-vaccines/

  • Sonja Henie

    It’s in Mike’s post from 10 hours ago IN RESPONSE TO YOU! Do keep up!

  • CharlieB1972

    What?? Do you have it copyrighted?

  • CharlieB1972

    What if someone else was willing to kill 500,000 people to cure an illness in one of their children? Would Kiko mind being one of the dead?

  • eggman2

    No, I just hate stupid people identifying with it. The feeling is like in what Jesus said when he said that if you fail him in one thing , you fail him in everything. She might have agreed with me on immigration, nuclear power, or whatever. But I don’t feel comfortable with her holding the stupid view of vaccines being beneficial and associating with me at the same time.

  • ciaparker2

    Your daughter has Crohn’s disease? I’m sure you’ve seen the studies on how it is often caused by vaccines. One in ten kids now with GI disease. I’d recommend you read Healing the Vicious Cycle by Elaine Gottschall: many thousands of people have healed from all the IBD (usually caused by vaccines, again) by going on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCDiet). I actually never would have believed it, but when I eventually tried it for C, it was just amazing how it resolved her GI issues. Within days. The book The SCDiet for Autism and ADHD is another good one with its first sections explaining how the overgrowth of yeast and certain bacteria create a fermenting caudron and leaky gut, so undigested peptides leak through to the bloodstream and fast track it to the brain. I thought it was going to be very hard, and it is hard, expensive, and time-consuming, but it’s been worth it, and not as hard as I thought it was going to be. The Kelly Brozyna Spunky Coconut cookbooks and her new book Easy Paleo dinners are incredible! Her oldest daughter stopped growing after she started eating solids, and her second daughter reacted to a vaccine with seizures and autism. Both of them had severe bowel disease, which was cured by the diet her whole family went on. She herself is celiac and her husband has ADHD, which were resolved by the diet.
    Kind of frivolous to talk about willingness to kill other children to help your own. The bottom line is that that’s not the point: every parent has the right to choose or reject vaccines for their own child. No one has the right to force anyone to take a vaccine, and the fact that they DO now cause autism in one in 40 is beside the point. You want them, you get them. I would NEVER have let my baby get the hep-B vaccine she reacted to with vaccine encephalitis and autism: it was given to her without my knowledge or permission. It’s hard to come up with a scenario, but yes, I WOULD want her to get measles, mumps, she’s already had pertussis and chicken pox, and no, I wouldn’t care if she gave it to someone else.

  • ciaparker2

    Also, vaccine mandates are passed in full recognition that they will cause thousands of children to be crippled with autism, seizure disorders, asthma, and/or allergies (etc.) for life, and some will die from their conditions. But who cares? The important thing is to fill the tills, isn’t it?

  • ciaparker2

    I just looked for a good link to something about the SCDiet curing Crohn’s disease, but there were a hundred million listed, so I just recommend you put it in your search engine. The website Pecanbread.com has a lot of good articles on it, although their recipes are crummy. C now makes her own almond flour bread (from Healing for Little Tummies) and banana bread for breakfast from the first Spunky Coconut book, and I made chicken pot pies the other day in individual ramekins from Easy Paleo Dinners. Brozyna has recipes for the first good gluten-free pastry crust I ever made. I assume they have shops over there which sell almond flour, coconut flour, tapioca meal, and golden flax seed to grind in a coffee grinder? Probably ghee is easy to find in the UK, avocado oil and palm shortening as well? The food is absolutely delicious, no need to feel deprived, and just staying on the diet is so much better than taking dangerous drugs or getting your colon removed (the standard allopathic recommendations). Many people say they’ve eventually been cured and can go back to eating normally, others have to stay on the diet for life, but it’s really not a big deal to just stay on the diet. I just wish everything were cheaper.

  • Mike Stevens

    Your daughter has autism? I’m sure you’ve seen the studies on how this is not due to vaccines and is primarily genetic in origin and due to chromosomal abnormalities like Neurexin-1 gene deletion which causes defective synapsing in the CNS and causes autism. And I’m sure you’ve seen the studies on how prenatal fetal hypoxia can cause neurodevelopmental problems and brain damage….
    Oh, what am I saying…?Of course you have, because you’ve told us often enough how your daughter is affected by both of these significant pathologies.
    I suggest you continue what you are doing and eschew all science based and evidence based sources of knowledge, and carry on reading “books” written by laypeople about healing using homeopathy and vitamin X, with a side order of Bach flower remedy.

  • Mike Stevens

    I already showed you, Jenniffer. Do keep up please.
    My point is that Kiko/Jeff/Bridgit/whoever he is this week is rather bitter and twisted, and says he would sacrifice hundreds of thousands to get a perfect, neurotypical child, instead of accepting what god gave him. Most autism is genetic, so may be preventable one day. It isn’t just now though.

    I do wonder how he calculates the death/damage that would equate to one child without autism…
    Death to 500,000… so maybe..
    Paralysis for 1 million?
    Blindness for 2 million?
    How about meningococcal meningitis for 5 million?

    I am in the UK.
    For your information, having Crohn’s is not a contraindication to live vaccination…having steroids or other immunosuppressants might be however.
    If she were on these, and if she did live in California, she’d be eligible for a medical exemption. Surely you are not saying you have never heard of those? [..Astounding…]

  • ione murphy

    They don’t have compulsory vaccines in the UK, or in a large part of the EU for that matter, so Mike must take out his frustration by posting on articles about mandatory vaccines in the U.S.

    “The British Medical Association Chairman Dr Ian Bogle said: “We have looked carefully at the issue of compulsory vaccination and it is true that some countries do operate immunisation programmes where there is some degree of compulsion.

    “However the BMA does not think this would be right for the United Kingdom.

    “The doctor-patient relationship is based on trust, choice and openness and we think introducing compulsory vaccination may be harmful to this.”

  • Mike Stevens

    Lucky there is no forced/coerced vaccination in the USA either!
    Every parent can exercise their choice to not vaccinate their child.
    Thanks for pointing that out Ione!

  • ione murphy

    Do children need to show proof of vaccination in order to attend school in the UK Mike? They do here is West Virginia, Mississippi, and California.

  • Mike Stevens

    Now now, keep your hair on, Kiko/Jeff/Bridgit, you would-be genocidal maniac….

  • Mike Stevens

    Do people in the USA need to have a driving license before they drive a car, Ione?
    Damn that pesky gubmint sheeple, forcing everyone to sit driving tests.
    I hear they do it at gunpoint.

  • suz norkan

    Any required decision made under stress/duress [where the outcomes of such choice can have threatening consequences] while having the potential to cause adversity to an individual or the individual’s family, constitutes coercion, and when used to compel vax preference [or other medical interventions] would be indicative of mandatory and forced vaxing, negating the nuremberg code, and demonstrative of medical fascism!

    There’s plenty of COERCION going on over here, Mikey!

  • ione murphy

    I’m sorry, Dr Mike, I know the subject of no vaccine requirements for school where you are is very touchy topic with you so I will leave it alone. We don’t want you to start having facial tics or something

  • suz norkan

    THIS is Mikey utilizing his usual m.o. of deceptive misrepresentation, after his opponents are frequently faced with the ‘forced vax’ half-baked and half-witted hoopla such as : driving tests / seat belts / drunk driving and all other ‘ridiculously irrelevant to vax,’ and diversive hackneyed hokum!

    Mike Stevens Kiko • 11 hours ago

    Hmmmm…. I am “aggressive” according to the guy who would kill half a million people without hesitation?

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    Kiko Mike Stevens • 11 hours ago

    Out of context, it was a response to a comment. That is called dishonesty. Like when you said I claimed to be Dr. Paul when you know I did not. It can also be called poor character. Care to admit you were wrong and apologise?

    “Kiko quoted and Mikey lied!”

  • Jenniffer

    Hardly know where to start here, but “Most autism is genetic…” is as good a place as any. Provide evidence of this claim please. The IACC has spent several million US taxpayer dollars and more than a few years trying to find the autism “gene”. They haven’t yet but they got more $ this year so they’ll keep “looking”. Tom Insell, the chairman, spent the past 14 months doing nothing except looking for a new job. While still getting paid by the US taxpayer. For not doing his job. The IACC has conceded that autism may have environmental causes so they met just look into that one day. Gotta keep the funding rolling in.

    If your child has Crohn’s and is on medication for Crohn’s, then you already know that live vaccines are contraindicated – at least by the CDC. Maybe your specialist knows better though.

    Live virus vaccines: Vaccines can be made from killed or ‘attenuated’ (altered) viruses or live virus- es. Examples of live virus vaccines are the nasal flu-mist and measles, mumps and rubella (German measles). Live virus vaccines should be avoided by children taking immunosuppressant medications and their families. Live virus vaccines do not cause disease in people with healthy immune systems, but when the immune system is suppressed they can actually cause the disease that they are trying to prevent. People who are in close contact with someone whose immune system is suppressed can also pass on a disease to them after being vac- cinated with a live virus vaccine.

    Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR): These are all live virus vaccines and should not be given to any- one taking immunosuppressive medicines.

    Influenza : The injectable form of this vaccine is not a live vaccine. However, the nasal mist is a live vaccine and should not be given to immu- nosuppressed individuals.

    For more information visit the National Immunization Program Website at http://www.cdc.gov/nip/

    If you lived anywhere in the US, especially California, you would be hard-pressed to get a medical exemption for anything.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/genrec.html

    Excerpt:

    Contraindications and Precautions

    Permanent contraindications to vaccination:
    Severe allergic reaction to a vaccine component or following a prior dose
    Encephalopathy not due to another identifiable cause occurring within 7 days of pertussis vaccination
    Severe combined immunodeficiency (rotavirus vaccine)
    History of intussusception (rotavirus vaccine)

    The best you could hope for with Crohn’s is a temporary exemption while your child is on immuno-suppressant meds.

    He never said he “wished…”

    Sonja/Katia may diss you now that she knows your child isn’t fully vaccinated. Just saying’…

  • Jenniffer

    You mean the Mike who’s child isn’t fully immunised? Yeah, I read his post and he still can’t figure out what I said. Maybe you could assist.

  • ciaparker2

    Not going to get sucked into that for the millionth time. Autism was new with vaccines, and now it’s one in forty American children diagnosed with it, up from three in ten thousand in 1987 (North Dakota autism study). Up from zero before vaccines. My daughter reacted to the vaccine with encephalitic screaming syndrome which damaged the language and social centers of her brain. Also diagnosed with aphasia, which is stroke-like damage to the language center of the brain. Damaged, not congenital. Caused by the swollen brain from the vaccine encephalitis cutting off circulation the way a stroke does. Her only two words erased as soon as she got the DTaP booster at 18 months. Genetic conditions (and many people with that gene deletion are normal) do not permit normal development until suddenly you get a vaccine and all your language is erased. Some people are genetically more susceptible to sustaining severe damage IF they get vaccines. We’re fine if we don’t.
    Are you saying that you care so little about your daughter that you’re not willing to read about how the SCDiet has given tens of thousands complete relief of the symptoms of their bowel disease, even cure? She’s grown now, at least recommend to her that she check it out.

  • Sonja Henie

    I see some sensitive soul was offended by my post about my daughter’s melanoma. Kill/ Bridgit/Jeff talked about walking a
    mile in his shoes, as if none of us have ever had a problem.

  • Sonja Henie

    Sarcasm doesn’t always go over well on the web, dearheart.

  • Sonja Henie

    No, not that Mike.

  • Jenniffer

    I agree, babe, especially when you have to tell everyone you’re doing it.

    PS. That was me with the “walk a mile…” line. Do try and keep up.

  • suz norkan

    Well ‘ya heard wrong, as usual, Mikey!

    Driving tests are NOT done at gunpoint, and are NOT even mandatory!

    Many people in cities choose to use public transit; so driving is actually a non coercive choice for them; one is NOT compelled to ‘drive’ in order to ensure their child entrance to a ‘brick and mortar’ public school which they paid for with taxes!

    We don’t even have to ingest the permit after if’s rolled in a bunch of vile ingredients. ;)

  • Sonja Henie

    You can go to jail for not vaccinating your kid against certain diseases in France.

  • Sonja Henie

    Vaccination isn’t done at gunpoint either, suz. Please get in touch with reality.

  • Kiko

    Hey Mikey, you and your shills got bigger problems brother. Looks like Trump is gonna come after Pharma, and the Politicians who decide not to change their ways in full on beast mode. Get those bribed, cowardly, go with the flow, no backbone pieces of elected trash right out into the trash bin where they belong. This is what Trump had to say on Fox.
    “They have everybody under control, they have everybody taken care of, through political contributions one way or another, the lobbyists, the special interests, with me, there are no lobbyists, there are no special interests, I am going to do whats right. The drug companies have all the senators and all the congressman paid off. ”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYoe-T1gtaU
    So tell me big man, who is Mikey and his gang of pharma shills going to be voting for? You do not have the majority on your side like you falsely portray. Pharma will do what they are told when they are told in the name of public interest. No negotiation. I want to reiterate the one important statement in there that you can’t seem to comprehend,
    I AM GOING TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT! Donald Trump.

  • suz norkan

    Ca. vax is coercive medical fascism in the least, Sonja!

  • suz norkan

    Who’s dr. mike? I can’t wait to meet the dude!

    I hope that unlike some online lying personas who allege to be docs, that this person can validate their credentials, ione! ;)

  • ione murphy

    Only one case has ever gone to court and this was the outcome .”.A French couple have received a two-month suspended jail sentence for refusing to vaccinate their two young children.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/french-couple-jailed-jailed-for-refusing-to-vaccinate-children-20160108-gm1thy.html#ixzz42BBe3Ffx

    But you have to remember that there is going to be some changes made to those laws very soon.

    “THE Ministry of Health has launched a national debate on vaccination to counter a growing anti-vaccine movement in France.

    Health Minister Marisol Touraine said she wanted to “reinforce confidence” in vaccination and “respond to all worries and preoccupations”.

    The ministry is responding to dropping numbers of vaccinations.

    However, growing mistrust in vaccinations began earlier, in the wake of the H1N1 scandal when the government ordered 94 million doses of flu vaccine and only six million were used by the public.

    Manufacturers pocketed €48 million from the order, amid claims that the risk of the spread of H1N1 had been exaggerated, and investigations that revealed links between those assessing the risk to public health, those formulating policy and pharmaceutical manufacturers.

    In March 2016,a website will be launched to collect responses from the public, medical professionals, associations and institutions which will be examined before new vaccine proposals are announced in December.”

    http://connexionfrance.com/health-ministry-France-vaccination-debate-H1N1-HPV-Henri-Joyeux-17615-view-article.html#sthash.cDEYOiMY.dpuf

  • Jenniffer

    Which Mike?

  • ciaparker2

    Just found this. A study several years ago on the SCDiet at the U of Mass. Found that 10 out of 11 patients were able to go off their drugs when on the SCDiet and 100% found relief from their symptoms.
    http://works.bepress.com/barbara_olendzki/46/

  • ciaparker2

    I think France only requires the polio and diphtheria vaccines.

  • ciaparker2

    How many people are killed or disabled by getting a driver’s license? Nothing like the 50% of American children severely damaged or even killed by vaccines.

  • ciaparker2

    Yeah, you have to play vaccine roulette and lose big before you can get the exemption. A lot of parents don’t want to hold the gun to their child’s head and pull the trigger. Go figure.

  • Sonja Henie

    Walk a mile with a kid with cancer.

  • ciaparker2

    AND the REALLY cool thing is that since this is one of the FEW honest sites, the shills can’t use stealth blocking to delete our comments the way they’ve been doing everywhere else for the past year.

  • Sonja Henie

    Lying again, ione. The first link does not support your statement that this is the first court case ever about the French law. You cherry-picked that second link. The compulsory vaccines are diphtheria, tetanus and polio. Nothing to do with H1N1.

  • Jenniffer

    That must be truly devastating. I am humbled by parents who must.

  • sabelmouse

    lol!

  • tropicalisle

    Not true anymore! As of 2016, California has passed a mandatory vaccine law in order for kids to attend school.

  • Jack Sprat

    At least then you are a mile away and have his shoes.

  • Jack Sprat

    Fascism? Really?

  • Jack Sprat

    what kinda shoes you got?

  • suz norkan

    Aw! You always show up, seemingly out of thin air, and when I’m late for an apt.

    Nice to hear from you, but bad timing again!

    Yes, fascism!

    Discussion iou for another day, perhaps!

    Be well, Jack Sprat!
    Love, suz! ;)

  • Reality022

    I tag it because I’ve noticed the anti-vaxxers are deficient in a sense of humour and irony, and read everything literally so sarcasm leads to great confusion for them.

  • bwf309

    Come on Mikey you can do better than the old “drivers license” ploy. You know driving is privilege granted by the state. Injecting a toxin into someone is an invasion of a person’s body and requires the persons permission. Stupid stupid analogy

  • bwf309

    Sorry about your daughter Mikey, but as you know genes for the most part are not inevitable, they are potential. and something has to trigger that “potential” and that would be vaccines. As you probably know, this was what Wakefield, et al were actually showing in their experiments, not autism, leaky gut. Might want to reconsider your opinion, but I don’t hold out much chance for that happening.

  • bwf309

    Might have your daughter read my book Katia. I have first hand experience with melanoma.

  • Mike Stevens

    Sorry to burst your little bubble of ignorance, Fred, but Crohn’s disease is not linked to vaccination, and Wakefield’s odd notion that it was due to vaccine measles virus causing leaky gut was even dropped by him. The concept has no biological plausibility, and has been refuted in many studies. Here is just one example of the evidence against it:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC557892/

    You might want to reconsider your opinion, but there is zero chance of that happening.

    PS – My daughter had very mild disease, and is perfectly well without needing anything since her first and only flare of symptoms some years ago.

  • Mike Stevens

    The point is that legislation states that one must possess a licence before one drives a car, right?
    Therefore, according to you antivax cranks, that means that people are being “forced” or “coerced” to get driving licenses.

    How you fail to see this baffles me, but the intricate twists of antivax logic could be the subject of several psychology books and still not cover the whole spectrum.

  • Mike Stevens

    Sigh…. I think we are all well aware of SB277.
    Well, maybe not you it seems – please do not misinterpret it to suggest it states that all children are forced to be vaccinated.
    Their parents still have the choice of vaccinating them, or not vaccinating them.
    The latter choice will come with some consequences that the parents might find undesirable or inconvenient, but that is quite different from stating they have no choice, and are “forced” to get their kids vaccinated.

  • Mike Stevens

    Cia, you can talk about “vaccine roulette” until the cows come home – that won’t make your fanciful notion that vaccines severely damage or kill 50% of those who get them come true.

    It has never ceased to amaze me that for such an allegedly widespread phenomenon (vaccine damage) there seems to be such a dearth of quality scientific evidence. I know I have asked you countless times for some, but you’ve never been able to produce any valid evidence for us to see.

    All you’ve got are emotive anecdotes, sob stories written in books or magazine articles, unverified VAERS reports, and the odd poorly written pseudoscientific article published usually in some bottom ranked journal, or a pay to print publication by someone masquerading as an “expert” in the subject. In short, you have diddly squat..

  • Mike Stevens

    Ahh…I understand now, Kiko/Jeff/Bridgit. You are a Trumper.
    Perhaps you will wriggle out of your statement that you wish that you could kill 500,000 people if it would prevent your daughter getting autism by now saying you were talking about killing Mexicans all along, so that’s quite fine?

  • bwf309

    Actually you are wrong Mike

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/new-published-study-verifies-andrew-wakefields-research-on-autism-again/
    PS happy for you that she is doing well. We may disagree and be disagreeable, but ….

  • bwf309

    Oh Mikey, please. We are talking apples and rocks. What part of “privilege” don’t you understand? Being told you must put something INTO your body is vastly different than testing for competency to perform a skill.
    This drivers license thing must be in chapter 1 of the astroturfers handbook. Perfect obfuscation

  • ciaparker2

    If you were to look at the thousands of scientific studies cited in all of Neil Miller’s many books, or in Dr. Mayer Eisenstein’s Making an Informed Vaccine Decision, Dr. Randall Neustaedter’s Vaccine Guide, Vaccine Epidemic, The Age of Autism, Evidence of Harm, or the dozens of other excellent books on the dangers of vaccines, you would see some of the proof of how damaging vaccines are. You say “quality” in such a way as to make it clear that any study on vaccine damage is by definition is a priori wrong, because vaccines never do any harm to anyone, according to the Vaccine Defense League. Most children used to be healthy, before vaccines, and even before the flood of new vaccines began in 1988, which caused the vaccine epidemic. Now it’s autism in one in 40, ADHD in one in ten, bowel disease in one in ten, seizure disorders in one in 20 (up from one in a hundred just a few years ago), asthma in one in nine, allergies in one in three, peanut allergies in one in 50, childhood diabetes in one in 400. These conditions can all be caused by vaccines, and were all extremely rare to inexistent before vaccines. When you let your child get any vaccine, you are tossing him onto the roulette wheel, holding your breath hoping that he will not stop on Autism, Allergies, Seizures, SIDS, or Asthma, but since around half of American children now suffers from one of these conditions, it’s really hard to see why anyone would want to gamble with his child’s life like that.

    Rates of chronic conditions then and now in American children:
    http://www.nvic.org/vaccination-decisions/wakeofvaccines.aspx

  • Sonja Henie

    After what you said about my daughter? You implied she was an IV drug abusing hooker! Surely you jest! Not to mention, I think chiropractic is quackery and I think you’re a fraud. I wouldn’t want to enrich you by one cent.

  • ciaparker2

    Is your daughter still at public school? I thought she was older than that.

  • ciaparker2

    I saw a couple of years ago that the required vaccines in France were polio and diphtheria. I just looked it up, and there were a lot of articles which said that France mandates the diphtheria, polio, and tetanus vaccines, for very contagious diseases, the DPT. So they are not trustworthy sources. No mention of pertussis. Tetanus is not a contagious disease and I don’t think it’s mandated in France. But goodness, there are thousands of French people up in arms at being required to damage their children only with the DTaP. Not that I blame them, of course, the DTaP booster erased my baby’s only words at 18 months and she was diagnosed with autism two months later. It’s just that France (and those few countries with mandates) require only the tiniest FRACTION of what is now mandated in three states here and strongly pushed on everyone.

  • Sonja Henie

    France requires diphtheria, tetanus and polio vaccines. The rest of their schedule is ” recommended “. No one is prosecuted in the US for not immunizing, like they can be in France.

  • ciaparker2

    School is required for all children and the parents pay a lot in taxes to fund the schools. Therefore it’s coercive to force vaccination on children forced to attend school. And the reason for the vaccine mandate would be…? One in ten children in California is on an IEP, most of them from having been damaged by vaccines. There was NO crisis, NO schoolchildren being disabled or killed by VPDs caught at school. I just looked at class photos online from my elementary school Halle Hewetson in Las Vegas. Thirty children in each class, K-6, we ALL got measles and chickenpox, and NONE of us had a severe or fatal case of ANYTHING. Same with California, the whole fraud was perpetrated by the greed of the vaccine companies. We’ll see how long it stands.

  • ciaparker2

    Good question, Ione. We all know that there are no mandates in the UK, which has also decided against the chickenpox vaccine, as it’s a silly and dangerous vaccine for a mild disease, and not getting it in childhood leaves you vulnerable to it when the vaccine wears off in adulthood, when the disease can be more dangerous (although my father had it at 42, and it wasn’t a serious case. I don’t know how he escaped it when I had it at 7 when it swept through Halle Hewetson just as measles did the year before. And it was no big deal).

  • ciaparker2

    Yes. Really.

  • Graceds

    Great Britain doesn’t force you to get a “vaccination” license.

  • ciaparker2

    Do you have a source for that? The sources I looked at said both that France mandated the DPT vaccine for three very contagious diseases, diphtheria, polio, and tetanus. Uninformed on several levels. I can’t find the source that I had a couple of years ago.

  • Sonja Henie

    I posted a source previously. I’m on my phone right now. Do a search of my posts or Google it.

  • Mike Stevens

    OK Cia, lets have just one of these “thousands” of scientific studies you harp on and on about, just one?
    How about the one which proves that “50% of vaccinated children in the USA are severely damaged or killed by vaccines” as you have claimed.
    Let’s see the study, let’s look at the numbers that have studied all the vaccinated kids in the USA (no extrapolations, remember, you don’t accept that evidence!) and the conclusive scientific evidence that all the deaths and severe damage is caused by vaccines, and vaccines alone (not some other factor).

    Go on Cia, post JUST ONE study showing that out of these imaginary thousands of studies.
    If there are that many, it won’t be too difficult, will it?

  • ciaparker2

    OK, I was wrong. Tetanus IS mandated, even though it is not a contagious disease, only infectious. I found the file:

    “Les vaccinations obligatoires sont les suivantes :
    contre la diphtérie, le tétanos et la poliomyélite
    contre la fièvre jaune pour toutes les personnes résidant en Guyane.
    Les personnes titulaires de l’autorité parentale doivent veiller au respect de cette obligation.
    Les vaccinations recommandées concernent :
    les maladies telles que la coqueluche, la rubéole, la rougeole, les oreillons, la varicelle, les infections invasives à haemophilus influenzae de type B, à pneumocoque, à méningocoque C, les infections à papillomavirus humains (pour les jeunes filles entre 11 et 14 ans), les hépatites A et B (sauf pour les personnes exerçant une activité professionnelle des soins ou de prévention les exposant à un risque de contamination, et les élèves et étudiants se préparant à l’exercice d’une profession de santé).”

  • ciaparker2

    I did google it, but couldn’t find anything which had the mandates rather than the recommendations. But I went to my old computer and found the sources I found two years ago.

  • Mike Stevens

    Who says you “must” put something into your body?
    You have a choice, the same way those who don’t want chlorinated tap water put in their bodies can choose to drink something else. They aren’t being “forced” to drink tap water, are they?

    Why is this so hard for you guys to grasp?

  • Sonja Henie

    You couldn’t have looked through all my posts that fast.

  • Mike Stevens

    “Actually you are wrong Mike”
    [cite “healthimpactnews”]
    No I am not wrong. Did you not realise that “Crohn’s disease” and “autism” are very different things? (God, I feel sorry for your patients)

    I clearly said that Wakefield’s concepts about MMR causing Crohn’s were debunked, and even he admitted he was wrong with that one. We were talking about vaccines “causing” Crohn’s, remember?

    And the day someone regards “HealthImpactNews” as a source of medical evidence is the day the woos and chiroquacks come to town.
    If you think Krigsman has verified Wakefield’s autism hypothesis, can you link us to the published study in a scientific journal?

  • Mike Stevens

    Neither does the USA.

  • ciaparker2

    I’m not going to look through thousands of your comments. I only looked through those you posted on this site, thinking that you probably posted a link to something relevant here. The first of my two links above has both the mandated and the recommended vaccines. Everything else I”ve found only has the raft of vaccines recommended everywhere.

  • Graceds

    Great Britain doesn’t require a “vaccination” license to attend school.
    Nor does Canada.
    Or even Czechoslovakia.

  • Mike Stevens

    “she works in the medical field.”
    Do you always have this much trouble with reading comprehension?

  • Mike Stevens

    Well, to be fair, there is under-reporting on VAERS too.

    [Oh gosh! Will I lose some of my shilling $$$ for saying that? No more Bahama holidays?]

    But we also know from studies that of the reports to VAERS, in only around 3% was the reported “reaction” definitively caused by the vaccine.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23063829

  • Mike Stevens

    But they don’t “force” you to get it, do they?
    You can choose not to, and then home school or private school your kid.

  • Mike Stevens

    She’s in her last year of high school.

  • Mike Stevens

    You still have a choice, even in California. That choice may have consequences you don’t like, but that doesn’t mean you are being forced to vaccinate.

  • Mike Stevens

    “Where did he say he wished he could kill 500,000 people?”
    Look 2 posts up at your own response to my post, duh!

  • bwf309

    1) I never said anything about your daughter, your paranoia took what I said personally rather than in context
    2) I am 5 years post stage III melanoma, I have been doing something right. Put aside your prejudice and take a look. Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.
    3) and no I don’t promote any one “cure” just change of internal environment.

  • Graceds

    Homeschooling in Great Britain?
    Due to vaccination licenses?

  • Mike Stevens

    I’m talking about the USA – California etc.
    Which is why I said “you can choose” in my comment, not “me” or “I”, silly.

  • Kiko

    I actually really laughed out loud at that one. Thanks for that. I have trained ample amounts of ‘Mexicans’ in my years working and I can assure you they are some of the best people and hardest workers you have ever seen. And they are very intelligent even without standard education. I believe I was referring to shills when I made the 500,000 comment. Feel free to screenshot or whatever you paid guys do to try and prove me wrong. I will be the first to admit that I am not up on all the deceitful manipulative tactics like you losers are. This is easy when you just tell the truth, you should try it sometime Mikey.

  • Kiko

    Non Doctor non scientist non truth non facts non honor non man

  • Graceds

    Apparently, Great Britain’s have much more choice.

  • Jack Sprat

    And I thought the discussion centred around Kohl’s philanthropic efforts.
    A century ago George Orwell provided an interesting observation on the word fascism; “almost entirely meaningless.” That was 1944. You are holding to the axiom attributed to Gaetano Mosca’s as he wrote in The Ruling Class, the essence is that an organized minority will dominate and rule the disorganized majority. Now this was in the time of Wagner, Darwin, Nietzsche, artistic resurgence and decadence AND philosophy. Mosca and Bakunin, with the French monarchist Maurras gave birth to fascism at the end of the 19th century. Consistent with the classic definition at the fin de siecle and the coalescence Sorelianism (George Sorel) with Maurras, it appears those vocally and vehemently opposing Kohl’s efforts are in fact the fascists. I applaud Kohl’s for their efforts, no one is forced to avail themselves of their largess.
    Oh, back to Orwell;… almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’.

  • bwf309

    God I feel sorry for your patients who are forced to comply with your “beliefs” Of course I know Crohns DX and autism are not one in the same, Don’t be a jerk (what am I asking, it is genetic and the vaccines triggered it in you) And you said you read Wakefield’s paper. I don’t think so.

  • Jack Sprat

    Hmm, that sounds harsh. Jet lag diminishes my filter, sorry.

  • Jack Sprat

    No, Canada requires proof of vaccination. In Ontario it is a little yellow card; a license by definition.

  • Graceds

    But you have Philosophical exemptions in Ontario, correct?
    Or do you call them something else?

  • Jack Sprat

    You would be surprised Cia.

  • Jack Sprat

    Ontario Statement of Conscience or Religious Belief Affidavit, and Medical Exemption Form.

    It must be notarized by a Commissioner of Oaths and more are refusing to do so. The legislation is slated for change with this sitting of Parliament.

  • Sonja Henie

    You’re lying about what you said about my daughter. You thought it a clever little riposte. Now you want to make money off of her problems. Fuggueddaboudit,quack!

  • Graceds

    A notarized statement of conscientious or religious beliefs sounds fair.
    Do you have a link to proposed changes?

  • Graceds

    With conscientious objection or religious exemption, correct?

  • Kiko

    Non Grata, ha!!

  • ciaparker2

    Thank you. And she has two older brothers? I’m sorry she should be afflicted with Crohn’s disease. I’m thinking what to say next to not offend you. Well, you know what I would say, and I hope that you, your wife, and she will read about it and try it. Nothing to lose and her health and happiness to gain.

  • ciaparker2

    When the pharma companies have refused to permit such a study from being carried out by the usual agencies, it seems silly to ask that private ones examine the health and vaccination history of every child in the US. The government, the medical behemoth, the legislatures, the schools, and the media all roundly refuse to look at this issue. Will thousands of heads in the sand keep the parents in the vaccine lines forever when so many millions have SEEN our children react to vaccines with serious disability? Stay tuned… I don’t know if you ever looked at this list of the hundred studies all looking at different aspects of the question of how vaccines cause autism.

    http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html

  • ciaparker2

    Every state in the US “requires” proof of vaccination as well. Most people are unaware that all they have to do is file for a religious or philosophical exemption. (Except in the poor, run-down states with the highest infant mortality rates, West Virginia and Mississippi, and, coming soon, California.) Here I went to the city health department and asked for the form. Had to do it again this past August, the third time in ten years. It was easy: a nurse apologetically said she was required to give me her pro-vax spiel, and I said no problem, I understood. When she was done, I told them what had happened to my daughter, and it was amazing, two other nurses gave me the exact same lines as the vaccine shills do online. Good thing I’ve had so much practice at refuting them. So I got the form, filled it out in the car, took it to my daughter’s high school, and it was done.

  • Sonja Henie

    Here you go, cia. This is the article I read, but there are a number of others that show up on a google search. http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/freedom-vaccinate-france-a-court-case/

  • kfunk937

    Cia says:

    parents pay a lot in taxes to fund the schools

    Everyone, parent or no, pays for schools. Just as we do for roads and emergency services and things. It’s for the public good. Unless you’re seriously suggesting that society as a whole doesn’t benefit from education?No one is forcing anyone to be vaccinated against their will, no matter what you say.

  • suz norkan

    Well Jack Sprat, you said a mouthful and I’m going to try to briefly answer this tonight yet, since I have several appts. tomorrow, and then more seeds to get in; I grow my own heirloom veggies and starting this weekend I’ll have even more daylight in the gardens.

    I don’t use orwell’s 1984 as a defining indicator for the term ‘fascism.’

    And I wasn’t addressing kohls per se, but rather my reply was to Mikey, who erringly fails to acknowledge that being required to make pertinent decisions under duress, constitutes coercion!

    Throw in the intimidation and threat of adverse conditions suffered as consequences to one who declines compulsory invasive medical interventions, and we have medical fascism/medical tyranny of which negates the nuremberg code!

    Many baby ‘bullies’ grow up to be fascists!

    Gotta’ go rinse this good earth off. Have a good evening, Jack Sprat! ;)

  • suz norkan

    Yes they are, no matter ‘what YOU say!’

    p.s. my municipal tax runs about $200. My school tax [prop. tax] is over 2000.

  • suz norkan

    A coercive choice which is in violation of the nuremberg code. We all know why sb277 passed. We saw the corruption first hand, Mikey!

  • Heather De Vries

    And what truly is for the,greater good? Killing innocent babies and children as a sacrafice to help keep the population under control?

  • suz norkan

    You want science or ya don’t want science, MIkey!

    Yall kill me, the way you cling to psycho babble whenever you think it suits your pov, yet it is there is nothing ‘scientific’ about it, and the dsms are written on observations.

    We don’t need to ‘drive’ to send our children to school. NON COERCIVE!

    We DO need to sacrifice our children’s health against our wishes to engage your delusions of herd immunity to send our children to school. COERCIVE!

    And I don’t see no ‘anti vax’ commenting here, Mikey!

  • suz norkan

    Three US of A states now force vax on children, against the free will choice of the parents, to enter school, without any exemptions other than medical!

  • suz norkan

    No! We would NOT be, Jack!

  • suz norkan

    Yall are the mysophobics! You homeschool YOUR children, Mikey! ;)

  • suz norkan

    In the handbook and so overused, it’s lame hackneyed hokum! ;)

  • suz norkan

    They’re stuck with the tap if they can’t afford to homeschool, Mikey!

    Those sophisticated and enlightened among us [suz included] would suggest you reacquaint yourself with the term ‘forced!’

    Might I rob a bank with a gun to my head. Likely! Do I want to rob a bank? No! Would I, if threatened with bodily harm or other perrsonal adversity [threat of family harm]! Damn skippy!

    Why is this so hard for you propagandists to grasp, Mikey! ;)

  • Mike Stevens

    So you support vaccinations, Suz/Licha/Evie?
    Good to know…

  • Mike Stevens

    I’ll take that as a “no” then, there is not a single study backing up your wild claims of vaccine damage.
    Thanks for being honest for a change.

  • Jenniffer

    Point to where he said “…wished…”.

  • Ron Roy

    No I don’t. I grammar checked just to be sure that sentence is grammatically correct and it is. Oh it got your attention didn’t it?

  • Jack Sprat

    Having crafted a career in transportation, logistics and safety I am more than aware of several MTO ( DOT) examiners that have ended up in the hospital as a result of driver examinations.

  • Jack Sprat

    Okie dokie

  • bwf309

    Katia, so much hate and anger. Must be hell living inside of your head. Interpret as you wish and don’t read what I have written, but remember 70% of melanoma patients do not make it 5 years and I have. Truthfully, I feel sorry for you. I know your anger, bitterness and bias will not let you believe that, but I do.

  • Sonja Henie

    Oh, spare me, jag! You don’t give a Damm about my daughter. You blew it big time with those remarks, ,and I intend for everyone on these boards to know it. As the president said about Sarah Palin’s kids, KIDS ARE OFF LIMITS!

  • suz norkan

    Define what you consider ‘support!’ I ‘support’ yall getting every new pharma prophylactic you all can fit into your poked little bods, when they’re unequivocally, conclusively, unanimously and scientifically proved and with the research being totally free of any coi’s!

    However, I’ll not prevent or protest your right to what medical intervention you choose for you and yours, no matter how corrupted the research and/or p.r. may be, since I’m not a dictator!

    As with wildlife rehabbing, while I feel sorry for the innocent children who are harmed with severe vax injuries due to their uninformed and unenlightened parents, I’ve learned long ago that I don’t control the universe, so I try to save my strength for the ones who WILL listen, and that we CAN help.

    So ‘NO’, I don’t ‘support’ mandatory vax for those who decline, and you’re a LIAR which IS ‘good to know,’ Mikey! ;)

  • bwf309

    And as anyone with a half a brain would have seen had they read the original post, it was a generic comment that ended with “I don’t know about your kids but..” Your insecure, persecution complex brain interpreted that as an attack on your kids. That is just weird.
    Be that as it may, because I do care about people esp those foundering around wondering about melanoma here are some suggestions for your daughter.
    As you know medically they have Yervoy and an immunologic. Yervoy has a 7% response rate which means the average lived 3-5 months longer than the control. The immunologic had a 33-70% response rate, which meant they lived 4-7 months longer than those on Yervoy, the control. All of this at the cost of 200-400,000 dollars and a year of flu like symptoms.
    Alternatively I would suggest:
    1. hemp oil, high in CBD
    2. IV Vit C start at 25 grams and go up to 100 3 X/WK
    3. Low dose naltrexone 4.5mg (start at 1.5)
    4. Mistletoe injections (Helixor) to prevent metastasis. She will have to see an ND or MD in Canada to have it prescribed and shipped to her from Canada (P1)
    5. Daily fruit and veggie smoothies with tablespoon of apple cider vinegar and tablespoon of black cumin seed oil and small knot of ginger with coconut water.
    6. 600 mg turmeric 200mg 3x/day
    7. avoid refined grains and refined sugar of all types. As much raw fruits and vegetables as possible.
    8. Modified Citrus Pectin
    9. Delta tocotrienols
    10 Wormwood – Artsesinate (sp)
    Take it or leave it. I am still here after 4 surgeries, 5 years, and no chemo or radiation. 70% are not. You decide.

  • ciaparker2

    Thank you. Yesterday I found and posted a link to the official source which I had found, which confirmed that France requires the diphtheria, polio, and tetanus vaccines. I will say, however, that I don’t believe anything Skeptical Raptor says without outside confirmation. In this case the article you linked said that there are no adverse reactions to the diphtheria, polio, or tetanus vaccines, while the diseases are very serious. That is not true. Really not true, just pharma propaganda. I had both my arms paralyzed for several days starting the same day as I got a tetanus booster when I was 19, brachial plexus neuropathy, and was later diagnosed by MRI with sometime paralyzing MS. I think it was probably a reaction to the mercury in it, and you can get it now with only trace amounts of mercury, but it’s also possible it was a reaction to the tetanus pathogens themselves, which can cause paralysis (lockjaw). You can’t get the diphtheria vaccine by itself, so it’s impossible to isolate reactions caused just by it, but in the ’20s a lot of people dropped dead within minutes of getting it. The tetanus vaccine can cause Guillain-Barre syndrome, demyelinating diseases (like MS), immune disorders, arthritis, joint inflammation, asthma, allergies, anaphylactic shock, brachial plexus neuropathy, EEG disturbances with encephalopathy, transverse myelitis, and suppression of T-lymphocyte blood counts similar to HIV. The injected polio vaccine can cause Guillain-Barré syndrome (paralysis), while the live virus vaccine can occasionally cause polio paralysis. Also encephalitis, heart failure, seizures, polydipsia, polyuria, and diabetes. And many other conditions listed on the package inserts and in many studies and adverse reaction reports.
    So Skeptical Raptor was just giving the party line so as not to have to get into all the lurid details which would make any parent pause. I’m not even saying that no one should ever get these vaccines. I think the polio vaccines, both of them, were very effective at preventing polio, which was certainly a terrible disease in those who had enough pesticide/insecticide exposure to turn what was originally a mild, universal disease into a monster. Speaking frankly, if there were an outbreak of clinical polio at my daughter’s school, I probably would get her the polio vaccine. Or maybe not, since we’ve always had a chemical-free house and yard and eat mostly organic. I’d have to do an analysis at the time it happened. If diphtheria killed a few people at her school, I would probably get her the DT. Or maybe not, since all these diseases can be effectively treated with high-dose IV vitamin C. I’ve thought about the tetanus vaccine, but since she had disabling reactions to the hep-b vaccine at birth and the DTaP at 18 months, this is a current question, since tetanus spores are everywhere. I got her a DT booster when she was nearly 5, and I’ve read that the tetanus protection lasts at least forty years, not the ten that they say.
    This is to say that I’m not totally against all vaccines in all circumstances, but I recognize that even these vaccines stand a STRONG chance of doing permanent damage to the recipient. If in a certain place and time, the diseases stand a stronger chance of causing severe disabiility or death, then the parent has a difficult decision to make. Every parent must think and read a lot about every disease and vaccine before getting it. And I would advise any parent to walk away from anyone who recommends that they read ANYTHING on Skeptical Raptor, LeftBrain RightBrain, Respectful Insolence, Shot of Prevention, or any site linked in the margins of these sites. They don’t need pharma propaganda, they need the facts necessary to do a real risk/benefit calculation.

  • Sonja Henie

    Bullsht. There was no need to bring my kids into it at all. You’ve made snide comments about my age and background as well. It was obvious that was meant as a slur on my kids as well. You’re a nasty piece of work.

  • bwf309

    I acknowledge the snide remarks about your age and mental stability. However, in my defense, you were the first to cast stones Katia.

  • suz norkan

    Don’t forget another blog site they frequently list; ‘science based medicine’ which I lovingly assigned the pet name of ‘science b.s. & meds!’

    Of all resources she could have listed, she posts ‘craptor!’ ;)

    All very well said cia! Thank you for pointing out that the bottom line is that the decision to vax or not and which tentative vax to administer, is dependent on the situation, the vax which would be best tolerated for one’s medical history, the timing in which to use such interventions, and MUST be left up to the parents.

  • Sonja Henie

    Who are you talking to? I’m Sonja. I believe you changed your name too, and some of your biggest supporters have not only done that but have several accounts.

    Until /unless you apologize about my kids, you’re a rotter.

  • bwf309

    The only person who felt that I insulted her daughter was Katia. If you truly believe you are Sonja, you have some serious mental issues. And no I have not changed my online name and I only have one account. Truthfully, I am not computer savvy enough to manage more than one account.

  • Mike Stevens

    You seem to have written your comment in correct grammatical style, but you clearly had difficulty reading about her if you think she is in the “medical field”.

  • Mike Stevens

    You are correct, Kiko didn’t say he “wished” to kill them…He said he “would” kill them.
    Big difference.

  • Jack Sprat

    No, however I will see what can be found. The Parliamentary agenda is a bit of a moving target, which is polite for “shit show.”

  • Jack Sprat

    The Nuremberg Code has no application in this context.

  • Jack Sprat

    School is NOT required Cia. The provisioning of education is statute, the attendance at a specified facility is not mandated.

  • ciaparker2

    That’s true, homeschooling is permitted in all states of the US (not in many European countries). But the problem arises when working parents can’t afford a private homeschooling coop or aren’t aware of what’s available, or value a public school education for some reason. And they still have to pay big taxes to support the fascist, industry-owned public schools.

  • suz norkan

    Kiko was playing your ‘lame mind games’ given your predilection for asinine ANALogies, Mikey!

    It would make a ‘big difference’ if yall would learn to correctly conceptualize what you’re reading in these commentaries!

    There are ‘lines’ between these written words! Establish an appreciation for context and you’ll be able to better comprehend the entire commentary, and lessen your incessant and erred misrepresentation of your opponents!

    ‘Kiko quoted and Mikey LIED!’

  • suz norkan

    Mikey is playing his ‘cherry picking’ game again, Jenniffer!

    He doesn’t consider taking the remarks of his opponents completely out of context, while deceitfully misrepresenting the intent of the poster, to be the LIES that they are!

  • suz norkan

    It DOES apply! I disagree!

    The very short trials used to fast track vax and much other pharma, can certainly be considered ‘experimental!’

    Medical experiments, anyone! Have at it Jack Sprat! Make it mandatory, and it violates nuremberg!

  • Mike Stevens

    I don’t usually feed you antivax trolls, but this merits some response, Suz/Licha/Evie.

    Kiko wasn’t playing “mind games”, he clearly and unequivocally stated he would without hesitation kill 500,000 people if it would have stopped his daughter regressing into autism.
    Fact.
    “Conceptualize” that, you troll.

    “‘Kiko quoted and Mikey LIED!'”
    Unlike you, I don’t lie, Suz.
    Kiko did indeed quote someone else, that is true. However, he cited them without attribution and without even the required convention of quotation marks in an attempt to make it appear that the comment was an original one of his own.
    He got found out, and the rest is history.
    Get over it.

  • suz norkan

    BEFORE public schools became dumps for govt propaganda through their many grants and incentives, schools used to provide social experience along with the academics.

    Today, with all the troubles of public schools, homeschooling may be best should the families be able to afford to do so.

    Sadly, I think many children miss out on learning how to form friendships, etc., and we may be missing out in the end, as a society.

    I imagine time will tell how all the homeschooling will later effect our communities, when these sheltered children enter the work force.

  • suz norkan

    You LIE with each post, you pharma prop shill! And you are surely LYING AGAIN about kiko!

    ‘Kiko quoted and Mikey LIED!’

    You get over it TROLL!

  • suz norkan

    Save your logistics for the driver training and highway engineering blogs!

    Your dot fatality stats are NOT germane in comparison to stats from fatalities or severe injury due to vax.

  • suz norkan

    Damn skippy!

  • Jack Sprat

    Wouldn’t it be fun to completely derail this thread? MVA’s are the leading cause of death and injury of children. Just sayin’

  • Jack Sprat

    “Can certainly” perhaps, however are not. Feel free to disagree; however despite your protestation facts remain. Read the ten principles, I’m mobile so I cannot recall if it is the first or second. Nuremberg does not apply, by its defined scope.

  • Jack Sprat

    Wow.

  • suz norkan

    While I frequently get caught up in replying to my many love letters, I am NOT the one who initially supplies the fodder for the train wreck!

    You’re on your own, Jack Sprat, just so ‘ya know! Slow night for ya, darlin’! ;)

  • suz norkan

    I crackerjacked this for sb277. It certainly DOES apply so I continue to disagree.

    I’m about to go ‘mobile’ again as well, and I prefer to do so TEC FREE!

    Mandatory vax violates nuremberg!

    Yall have a nice evening now, Jack Sprat! ;)

  • Kiko

    Let us conceptualize Mikey, You have a rope in your left hand and a rope in your right hand, The rope in the right hand suspends a plank of 500,000 humans over a fiery volcano, hell, plunge on to spikes etc. The rope in your left hand suspends your normal happy child who is staring directly at you and suspended over the same fatal plunge. Which hand do you open to grab hold of the other rope with both?

  • Mike Stevens

    That wasn’t even your comparison, Kiko/Jeff/Bridgit. Are you now saying your child died, rather than developing autism?

    Try this:
    You have a rope in your left hand and a rope in your right hand.
    The rope in the right hand suspends 500,000 normal, happy humans- women, children and babies- all staring directly at you, over a fiery
    volcano, hell, plunge on to spikes etc.

    The rope in your left hand suspends your normal happy child who is staring directly at you and suspended over a different plunge, one which would turn her autistic.

    You have said that without a moment’s hesitation you’d let go of the rope holding the 500,000, sending them to certain death, in order to save your own child from autism.

  • Jack Sprat

    Oh boy, thanks Suz; have you cursed me? On the road again and guess why…
    Head-on train collision in Chapleau, google it.

  • CharlieB1972

    And you upvoted Kiko’s despicable comment, scuz. You ant-vaccine cultists don’t care about the autistic as much as you pretend to. You despise them as inferior!

  • suz norkan

    I empathize and commiserate with kiko as he expresses his animosity over the way you ‘forced vax’ mysophobes continue to lead FRESH GENERATIONS of innocent children to slaughter; more and more injured and killed each day in this needless herd immunity charade!

    According to your incorrect and puerile post above, you don’t have a CLUE who I care about or who I despise.

    I care deeply about all the families out there, desperately struggling with severe autism in their lives. I also care about those that aren’t as severe as the autism like symptoms of incontinence and head banging; while although one’s iq may be 117 or above, their social and communicative skills are such that would also preclude one from gainful employment!

    Is there something you’d like to share or vent, CharlieB?

    Do you need some of kiko’s crying towels!

    And I personally don’t know of any ‘ant-vaxers,’ Chuckie! ;)

  • CharlieB1972

    You’re not anti-vaccine but you repeat the most hyperbolic anti-vaccine talking points about pro-vaxxers leading “FRESH GENERATIONS of innocent children to slaughter”, and science denialism about the “herd immunity charade.” What are you afraid of, scuz? Let your freak flag fly and admit that you’re an anti-vaxxer!

    You care so much about the autistic, but you’re cool with the idea of Kiko murdering 500,000 people to keep his child from becoming One Of Those People.

    “Do you need some of kiko’s crying towels!”

    You’re taking yourself WAY too seriously if you think that your bizarre, unhinged, prepubescent ranting could make me cry, except perhaps at your stupidity.

  • suz norkan

    Well I surely ain’t scared of YOU, Chuckie! Should I be anti vax, I’d be the first to admit it. However, the way most of you use it, the term is extremely incorrect. We’re not ‘against’ vax for any of you who enjoy indulging in as much of it as you like.

    Also, I prefer to abstain from mundane hyperbole. I speak truths! If I happen to highlight certain truths it’s because they are life and death matters for undecided and ill informed parents, and of which such notation of urgency is warranted.

    Suz is anti mandatory vax; so come up with a catchy phrase for that and we’re good to go!

    One of you ‘forced vaxers’ posed that hypothetical to kiko and he [as kiko does] had some fun embellishing.

    My hypothetical fantasy would not involve children at all, but would mix terror and pain, in retribution for every greedy person who was knowingly involved in harming generations of innocent children!

    I love science! I live science! I AM SCIENCE! You, on the other hand, practice ‘scientism’ which is far from science!

    The prepubescent [puerile is shorter] ranting’s are all yours, Chuckie! Go ahead and let it flow.

    I’ll have kiko send you a stack of towels! Wah! ;(

  • suz norkan

    Trains wrecks do occur far too often. It looks like that one occurred yesterday.

    If you’re implying that you’re headed to the crash site as an authority, why did they just call you this evening! No need to answer; simply trying to assess the purpose and validity/sincerity of your post.

    At least it wasn’t one of the ‘bomb trains’ that blew a hunk of cabec to bits when it derailed, [it’s fun saying cabec the way quebec says it]! Sadly so many were killed in that one.

    You really are very, very far north. Remind me, when we can be a bit more ‘off topic’ to tell you my story of a trip up to your snow train there, on the top of the world! ;)

  • CharlieB1972

    “One of you ‘forced vaxers’ posed that hypothetical to kiko and he [as kiko does] had some fun embellishing.”

    The first time Kiko brought it up, it was not in response to a hypothetical. You know that perfectly well, so please stop lying about it.

    Fantasies of harming pro-vaxxers seem to run rampant among you anti-vaccine cultists. It’s really sick and sad.

  • suz norkan

    I don’t lie! I would have to back track; and I am certainly NOT doing that [or remaining off topic] for a cry baby like you, Chuckie!

    Learn to read! I didn’t say retribution for astrobratty ‘forced vaxers’ who are too stupid to know what they’re doing and merely follow the crowd. WE speak of those KNOWINGLY responsible for the corruption and cover ups of vax injuries that have harmed GENERATIONS of innocent children!

    You sound really ‘sick and sad!’ I think you need even more of kiko’s crying towels to wah on, Chuckie!

  • suz norkan

    There are no correct answers to these questions, guys! While we all would love to imagine doing the right thing, we still have our primitive emotions to consider, which I feel for most of us, wins out in the end.

  • Jack Sprat

    A long time friend owns a company that does site remediation and hazmat (fuel in this case) clean up. I’m in a supervisory capacity to keep the young bucks safe.

  • CharlieB1972

    So you won’t own up to your own behavior? Not surprising in the least. Serious vaccine injuries are very rare, scuz. Once you understand that, you can do something more productive with your life.

  • Jenniffer

    Agreed.

  • Jenniffer

    All Mike’s kid but the daughter with Crohn’s. She’s exempt.

  • Jenniffer

    Me neither, suz. Every one I hang with is a used-to-vaccinator until the shit hit. The group keeps growing sadly.

  • Jenniffer

    WTF.

  • Jenniffer

    Humans are programmed to save their OWN progeny at almost any cost. We would ALL grab the rope to save our own child. Anyone who says they wouldn’t is lying. We ALL want the fruit of our loins to live long enough to reproduce. Indeed, that is why humans have children. It is called instinct. We are animals after all.

  • Jenniffer

    That is what he said. Comprehension is a beautiful thing, Mike.

  • Jenniffer

    Based on trust. Crazy idea that.

  • Kiko

    I could always tell the families about corellation and causation, or explain collateral damage, I could start a campaign about how ropes do not cause death plunges. You did not answer the question. Death for both ropes is the end result, which rope would you let go? Thought so, only a true psychopath would have the mentality to save the strangers over a known loved one. You have once again taken my comment out of context to satisfy your own point of view. Ever heard this one, you are standing over some train tracks with a big fat man standing in front of you, you see the train heading towards 5 people, you can sacrifice the one man by pushing him front of the train to stop it therefore saving five lives instead of one. In that moment what would you do, push the man to his death or watch as the 5 are killed? I got that scenario from the big think youtube channel, I will link to the video when I get to my computer Mikey.

  • Sonja Henie

    Medically. From a few.

  • suz norkan

    A good thing it wasn’t bakken oil! It likely would have made national news here as well.

    Be safe also, Jack Sprat!

  • suz norkan

    My behavior is damn skippy! And I ‘own’ it with every breath I take!

    ‘Not surprising’ is that you’re a little neophyte that doesn’t have a clue what you puke out here, as you simply jumped on the bandwagon of your astrobrat buds!

    Case in point is the dorit reiss pharma propaganda classic you just regurgitated; ‘serious vaccine injuries are very rare;’ to which I often reply that, they are ‘only rare until they happen to you!’

    AND, outside of your myopic minded and unenlightened little snow globe utopia, your ‘rare serious vax injuries and death’ happen to many, many, many parents, Chuckie!

    So come back and see me some time, AFTER you grow up, become a parent, vax your child, and witness them regress into a non verbal/non responsive state!

    Until then, you’re just an astrobratty mouthpiece promoting greed and corruption, while unknowingly aiding in the severe vax related injuries or deaths of generations of children!

    ‘Kiko crying towels’ will be forthcoming, Chuckie! Wah! :(

  • Of course “the attendance at a specified facility is not mandated”. What a ridiculous statement. What IS mandated is school attendance, or commensurate (and documented) home schooling.

  • “undesirable” or “inconvenient”?

    Are those the words you would use to describe the impact on a family who has already lost one child to vaccine adverse reaction, and is now forced to choose between (1) having their next child vaccinated and risking his or her life; or (2) doing the economically impossible (especially in California) by having one parent stay home to home-school?

    Most families depend on two incomes and wouldn’t make it on just one…home-schooling is not an option.

    The majority of those you call “anti-vaccine” were once pro-vaccine, vaccine injury or death changed their minds.

  • Mike Stevens

    Yes, he’s a true genocidal psychopath, isn’t he?

  • NecktopPC

    Correct. And its not a license.
    See: Idem – https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90i01

    Its a trap, here in the UNITED STATES!

    DO NOT SIGN the Refusal to Vaccinate form!
    Source: http://parentsaganinstmandatoryvaccines.net/2015/08/18/do-not-sign-the-refusal-to-vaccinate-form/

  • Mike Stevens

    So you too would also opt to kill 500,000 people in an instant?
    My, what a bunch of homicidal maniacs you antivaxers all are.

  • NecktopPC

    IT IS A TRAP!

    DO NOT SIGN the Refusal to Vaccinate form!

    Source: http://parentsaganinstmandatoryvaccines.net/2015/08/18/do-not-sign-the-refusal-to-vaccinate-form/

    Get your doctor to sign the form on your behalf.

    STATEMENT of the ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN PHYSICIANS & SURGEONS

    RE: HEPATITIS B VACCINE – http://www.aapsonline.org/testimony/hepbcom.htm

  • Mike Stevens

    Who is the psychopath?
    You are the psychopath, Kiko/Jeff/Bridgit, as you have already indicated, with your desire to see 500,000 people die rather than have your daughter develop autism.

    I never realised before you equated autism with the “death” of your child. I am sorry she does not have a father who accepts her for who she is and offers unconditional love and support, instead of raising her with the notion that she is “damaged” or “dead”.

  • Kiko

    It is not who She is, it is who vaccines have forced her to become. I accept her, I do not accept you.

  • CharlieB1972

    While I’m aware that Dorit inspires a great deal of anger from you and your pals because she’s such an effective advocate for vaccines, your problem would not go away even she had never spoken a word on the subject. Your problem when it comes to vaccines is with the science.

    Thanks to science, we know that serious vaccine injuries are very rare. Thanks to science, here is a partial list of things not caused by vaccines:

    ADHD
    Allergies
    Alzheimer’s
    Asthma
    Autism
    Cancer
    Diabetes
    Eczema
    Epilepsy
    Lupus
    Shaken baby syndrome
    SIDS

    Vaccines are saving generations of children from measles in developing countries. We’ve brought measles deaths down to 120,000 in 2014 from 2.6 million in 1980. Vaccines also saved generations of children from smallpox, which likely killed between 300 million and 500 million people in the 20th Century alone. I’d write more, but I’ve got to run. So much success for vaccines, so little time!

  • suz norkan

    Dorit is vax manufax’s BEST LIAR!

    And YOUR problem is that you can’t unequivocally and unanimously prove that it was not better sanitation that has slowed spread of vpds!

    Further, simply from your self supplied menu of vax related injures, research is finding more and more, that there IS causation; side effects from varied and mass quantities of vax in susceptible individuals, causing severe, permanent injury and death to generation of innocent children! Your LIST of vax related infirmities is just the tip of the iceberg, Chuckie!

    We see that you ‘gotta run.’ your mouth, that is! You certainly don’t need to waste anyone’s time playin’ your astrobrat games with me, CharlieB!

    Aw! Poor Chuckie! He doesn’t get that rich, powerful and greedy corporations LIE and lobby govt. to LIE and legislation to enact new pseudo laws to protect the LIE!

    The bursting of the pro vax propagandists bubble. I’ll make sure to ‘send in the towels, for ya Chuck!’ ;)

  • CharlieB1972

    I’m not sure what your talking about with sending in the towels, scuz. You’re the one who’s getting agitated.

    Sanitation is a very successful public health intervention, but it’s not a cure-all. It cannot prevent the spread of airborne diseases like measles and diphtheria. If sanitation were responsible, there would have to be many different types of sanitation. It would mean that smallpox sanitation wiped out smallpox by the late 1970s and polio sanitation was very lose to eradicating polio, but measles sanitation would still have a ways to go in developing countries in spite of recent big successes and that flu sanitation hasn’t made much progress yet. It would mean that we didn’t discover how chickenpox sanitation worked until 1995.

    We could believe that there are all of these different sanitations, or we could come to the eminently sensible conclusion that it was vaccines that were responsible.

    “YOUR LIST of vax related infirmities is just the tip of the iceberg, Chuckie!”

    It’s the tip of the iceberg of the things that anti-vaxxers wrongly blame on vaccines. I mean seriously, shaken baby syndrome? Vaccines causing bruises and broken bones? That’s just silly.

  • CharlieB1972

    Dorit is a HERO! She is a great warrior for vaccine truth.

  • suz norkan

    Back so soon Chuckie!

    I referred to sids and others; not ALL on your list! To be honest, I only skimmed it, because you and your parroted hackneyed hokum just gets so silly!

    And yes! I did say that your list is the tip of the iceberg and that improved sanitation, NOT VAX, is the event that has lowered incidence of vpds!

    It takes a lot more than a whining, narcissistic astrobrat like you to rattle suz, Chuckie!

    I personally don’t know of any anti vaxers!

    Fresh crying towels are on order for you, courtesy of kiko! ;)

  • AutismDadd

    Katia doing the dance of DUH

  • Sonja Henie

    Allow me to add, your acolytes Graceds (for dipsh*t), and AutismDadd have both changed their names. But that was “different”.

  • suz norkan

    Dorit lies for the many pharma benefits she receives under varied pretense; and is NOT a scientist yet gives the allusion of being one, while she misinforms parents with her pharma propaganda!

    The heros are individuals and their families who’ve suffered severe vax related injuries or death, and muster the daily strength to endure!

    THESE are the TRUE warriors!

  • CharlieB1972

    Talking to you hard-core anti-vaccine cultists is like playing chess with a pigeon: “It knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.”

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pigeon_chess

  • CharlieB1972

    I’m totally sympathetic to the very small group of parents who have vaccine-injured kids. The diseases are way more dangerous than the vaccines, however.

  • CharlieB1972

    Dorit knows more about vaccines in her little finger than all of you loons do in your entire bodies.

  • suz norkan

    Pilfered from hans, et al. Banal blah! You astrobrats are witless!

    I don’t know any anti vaxers, Chuckie! ;)

  • suz norkan

    You don’t know anything about vax, so forgive me if I decline to consider your judgement, Chuckie! ;)

  • suz norkan

    Most healthy individuals with access to adequate medical care, live through these mild illnesses without any long term consequence.

    The vpd’s are much less devastating in comparison to the frequent and severe vax related injuries or death that is destroying generations of children and their families!

  • suz norkan

    Not to worry! She just enjoys the histrionics of playing the martyr! ;)

  • CharlieB1972

    1 in 3 people who get chickenpox will end up with shingles, which is horribly painful, but to you anti-vaccine cultists, that doesn’t matter because they probably won’t die. Thanks to the chickenpox vaccine, incidence of chickenpox is down by more than 90%. No chickenpox, no shingles.

    You want to try pertussis? Cough so hard that you vomit or break your ribs? How about diphtheria, the strangling angel? How about HPV? The cervical cancer-causing strains of HPV kill 4,000 women every year.

    Vaccines are not destroying generations of children. That’s just a load of made-up BS. The science shows, for example, that autism is mostly genetic. SIDS has declined even as the vaccine schedule has increased.

  • suz norkan

    Had it & lived! Had THAT & lived! Had that too & lived and the pain was nothing compared to what I endure daily from non vpd related illness.

    In other words, been there, done that, just like MILLIONS of others who have gotten and SURVIVED these vpd’s, you little astrobrat!

    You wouldn’t know science if it jumped up and bit you, as valid research shows vax side effects as being connected to sids.

    The aftermath from vax is destroying generations of children!

  • transportjohnny

    Kiko…..
    Post hoc ergo propter hoc…..yeah…and correlation doesn’t equal causation.

    Yeah, I can pretty much read the headline…..

    “Several kids found injured with holes in various parts of their bodies”

    Today, several kids were found on the sidewalk with varying sizes of holes in their bodies. “They were just standing there……then all of the sudden they just collapsed”….according to one witness. According to some other witness…….”yeah, I heard some loud noises” and yet another witness stated….”I saw a car drive by with some kids inside….they had guns….but I never saw them shooting them” Investigators have basically said they do not know what the cause of the injuries and holes in the children’s bodies are from. The ongoing investigation so far has yielded little further info.

    This is basically the same argument the vaxatallcostsheeplepeeple are arguing when they say that correlation doesn’t equal causation.

    It really is quite absurd.

  • transportjohnny

    Yeah, Mike!!! Vitamins, minerals, essential(really non essential) fatty acids……..are just so passe……..who needs em right!!!!!

    Damn natural people……pushing vitamins and minerals….what a joke!!!!

  • transportjohnny
  • AutismDadd

    Pretty ludicrous Mike. You don’t sound like a doctor, more a loon. Even if a parent’s decision impacts there own child, it doesn’t impact 500,000 like you claim. Exaggeration is not causation.

  • Kiko

    It is certainly a weak argument, if the vaxatallcostsheeplepeople were in the firearm business they would panhandle billions of dollars for research on how pieces of meteorites could have possibly caused such a disaster, then they would lobby and fund to have an investigation in to the dangers of flying space objects and what you can do to protect your children.

  • Kiko

    I have clearly proven with evidence that you and your buds are indeed the ones with identifiable traits of psychopathy, your theory about collateral damage is textbook proof Mikey.

  • Jenniffer

    You forgot “paid” before HERO. Why anyone would pay attention to a law professor from Hastings is a conundrum.

  • transportjohnny

    Yeah, it is really funny……but kinda sad at the same time. When you have all these issues with asthma, adhd,ASD, Pandas, PANS, OCD, Diabetes,…….even cancer….almost all diseases are ramping up way too fast. Every day…more and more articles are coming out about bacterial and viral issues causing many diseases….yet….injecting people with a bunch of viruses have nothing to do with the increases in said diseases or auto-immune or other neuro-immune syndromes is truly mine boggling.

    Mercks own info sheet says it all.

    http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf

    So many parents say “my child changed drastically after ????? vaccine”…………but this has nothing to do with it. I know of people that have lost kids to severe ASD and not had subsequent children vaxxed. Still had issues with HF ASD so there is a genetic link….but there is also an exposure link to infections, vaccines and crap diets and pollution and who knows what else is contributing……but the fact remains, all the published items on vaccines say they can have issues…..it really is just a nuance in how main stream medicine as a whole talk about them and their safety.

  • Kiko

    Yep, they are all or nothing with no middle ground. The focus point going forward must be informed consent, warning of dangers, real research, and above all parental power over medical decisions. Nothing is easy though, like Foster attacking me earlier with his opinion I hurt the cause in some ways. I feel the same way about people who would refuse a life saving surgery for a child based on religious beliefs. I certainly oppose that and would be all for taking the child away and helping them myself despite the parents wishes. But that would be evidence based, and what has been done with our vaccination schedule is simply NOT evidence based, it is pure speculation and ignoring of common sense. Medical tyranny is the perfect description.

  • Mike Stevens

    Still waiting for the link to Krigsmans scientific publication, Fred.
    Don’t tell us he hasn’t got one, yet you think he has published “evidence”?

  • Mike Stevens

    So you had your melanoma cured through surgical excision…
    (Wot, no manipulation of a subluxation in your spine?)

    Go medical science!

  • Jenniffer

    Which vaccines can’t she get? And why would they hurt her?

  • Jenniffer

    One more time. Humans are programmed to save their own progeny. Anyone who says they wouldn’t grab the rope to save their own child is lying.

    It’s called instinct.

  • Sonja Henie

    You’ll have to wait for Mike to reply. I’m not familiar with her history. You realize bringing in people’s kids is very inappropriate, do you not?

  • bwf309
  • bwf309

    Yes I had the lesion removed and I changed the environment of my body such that melanoma was not a viable response. Things likeI noted above IV Vit C, hemp oil (CBD), fruit and vegetable smoothies, mistletoe, LDN, and a number of supplements and I am at 5 years which is better than 70% of melanoma patients. The surgeon has a PhD in human biology, area of study melanoma, and he encouraged this route. (I do have regular adjustments and I believe they do help me be healthier, however, I was having them before the diagnosis as well, so really not the go to option for RX of this condition) (Matter of fact just came back from lunch with him)
    And BTW I am not anti Medical Science, I am anti the religion of medical science (atomism) that seems to think that it is the be all and the end all of health. It is not. It is a system based on a belief that the absence of disease is health and that the body is incapable of healing or caring for itself. It has as a mission to “prevent death” as opposed to vitalistic professions that have a mission to “promote health” Neither is right or wrong, they are just flip sides of the same hand with, long term, the same goal which is the health of the patient.

  • Miss Anthropy

    Everything you eat contains foreign DNA, you morons.

  • Mike Stevens

    I said:
    “If you think Krigsman has verified Wakefield’s autism hypothesis, can you link us to the published study in a scientific journal?”

    Nice goalpost move there, Fred.
    Now do you think you can provide a citation for what we were discussing, namely Krigsman corroborating the Wakefield MMR VACCINE causing autism concept?

  • Mike Stevens

    We aren’t talking about saving your child’s life Judith, but preventing a child developing autism.

    It’s nice to know you are another one of the antivax psychopaths who would kill millions of people if that would prevent your own child getting it.

  • Jenniffer

    You realise he brought her in himself, do you not? That’s right, comprehension isn’t your forte.

  • Jenniffer

    Who is Judith? Do you even understand what an autism dx means, Mike? Go here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOtk6vxVg0k
    to witness what autism means to far too many families. Then watch the 100s of other videos that show what autism is. It is often a life sentence for the child and an increasing number of families.

    You have no idea and yet you still can’t shut up. So typical of anti-choice peeps.

  • Jenniffer

    Your point is…?

  • Miss Anthropy

    To counter the last sentence of the story: “Protect your child from toxins like formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, and foreign DNA.”

  • Jenniffer

    Of course. And injecting them is equal to ingesting them…right?

  • bwf309

    You are not Sonja Henie either except in your delusions as an ice skater. You were Katia when you were “insulted” and you are still Katia now.

  • Sonja Henie

    Talk to your acolyte, Gracedipsh*t and AutismDadd. I see you don’t call them by their last names. My name change had nothing to do with you and everything to do with ice skating.

  • bwf309

    I don’t usually communicate with them as we agree on many things. Plus I was unaware of any other names they have used. Grasshopper is the only other name change I am aware of Katia

  • Miss Anthropy

    The article did not distinguish between the two routes, and I did not state the equivalency you’re implying.

    But now that you’ve suggested that equivalency, let’s explore your irrational fear of injecting foreign DNA:

    • Insulin as a treatment for diabetes was initiated in 1922, and bovine insulin was used for many years. Synthetic insulin was introduced in 1978, and it is produced by using recombinant DNA technology in E. coli. Do you believe diabetics should refrain from injecting insulin?

    • Have you had chicken pox? If you have, you are at risk for shingles. You know that 1-10 scale healthcare providers ask you to use to rate your pain? Shingles is a constant 10 for many people, and it can last for weeks or even months. Having the lesions touched by anything, including moving air, is excruciatingly painful. I’ll bet you all the money in the world that six months after your first case of shingles clears up (the earliest you can get the vaccine), you will be begging for someone to give you a shot of Zostavax.

    To return to and expand on my original statement: Unless all you’re eating is rocks, everything you eat contains foreign DNA.

  • Jenniffer

    Who said I have an irrational fear of anything. The chances of a healthy adult getting shingles are next to nil. An efficient immune system works just like it is supposed to.

    I know diabetics who have “cured” themselves of diabetes and no longer need synthetic insulin injections.

    If you want to inject every available vaccine into your body, with or without foreign DNA, no one is stopping you. In fact, why don’t you inject every vaccine on the current schedule for children, adjusted to your own body we