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Is it Time for Your Flu Shot or Extra Nutrition?

It’s that time of year: flu season. Pharmacies are advertising their flu shots. Medical groups and physicians urge patients to get their vaccinations. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that everyone get vaccinated, including newborns, pregnant women, children and the elderly.

Is there a better, safer way? What are the risks of the flu vaccine versus the relative benefits? It can be argued that improving nutrition during the winter months is a safer, more effective means to prevent flu and other respiratory illnesses.

Injuries from the Influenza Vaccination

The majority of individuals still fail to realize that the flu vaccine is neither safe nor effective at preventing influenza. It is considered one of the most dangerous of all vaccinations.

According to integrative physician Dr. Mercola, the influenza vaccination has been responsible for causing a serious neurological disease, Guillain-Barré Syndrome, which, in severe cases can cause paralysis and death. In 1976, there were 30 deaths caused by the swine flu vaccine, all in previously healthy adults. There are an estimated 3-6,000 cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome each year.

The flu vaccine is known to contain unsafe amounts of the neurotoxin mercury. Vaccines have also been found to increase inflammation in recipients, which, in pregnant women, is linked to brain damage in their newborns. [1]

The US government’s Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), examining the years 2009-2010, discovered a significant 4,250% increase in fetal deaths after their pregnant mothers received flu vaccine. These statistics were confirmed by Dr. Gary Goldman and published in the Human and Environmental Toxicology Journal. [2]

In the year 2013, 139 claims were settled by the US government’s vaccine court, with 70 cases being compensated. Of the 70 compensated cases, 42 of them were for the flu vaccine, or 60% of the settled cases in which compensation was awarded for serious injury or death. Many of these cases were for Guillain-Barré Syndrome.

This is significant evidence to the seriousness of the danger of the flu vaccine, especially when one considers that most individuals are unaware of the vaccine courts and a significant underreporting of vaccine injuries exists. [3]

The Influenza Vaccine is Ineffective at Preventing Flu

In a comprehensive report by Barbara Loe Fisher of the National Vaccine Information Center, Fisher revealed that several European scientific studies have shown that unvaccinated individuals were less likely to become ill with influenza and other respiratory illnesses, compared to those vaccinated. For the elderly, some flu vaccines were shown to have no effectiveness in preventing disease. Even the CDC admits to only a 50% effectiveness rate for the flu vaccine most years, with some years having a lower effectiveness rate, including zero effectiveness for elderly. [4]

Benefits of Nutrition, Not Vaccination, to Build the Immune System

Since vaccinations for flu cannot guarantee prevention of influenza and may actually increase one’s chances of becoming ill with influenza, or worse, it makes sense to look at other safer options for improving one’s immune system. The following suggestions can be beneficial for both prevention and treatment of respiratory illness and flu.

  1. Rest. This may be hard to do, but it is important to slow down, rest and sleep as much as possible. Our bodies recover and heal during sleep, so the more sleep, the better.
  2. Drink fluids. Drinking filtered water, organic kombucha, and hot tea throughout the day is helpful to loosen phlegm and ease the discomfort of colds and infections.
  3. Vitamin D: Increasing vitamin D intake through supplementation or direct sun when possible is very healing for illness.
  4. Take cod liver oil. Cod liver oil is an excellent source of vitamins D and A, which work together to ensure good health and healing.
  5. Vitamin C: Lots of research supports the healing power of vitamin C. Adding lemon juice to water, eating oranges and taking a vitamin C supplement can all aid the body to heal. One can safely take 4-6 1,000 mg doses of vitamin C throughout the day, no more than 1,000 mg per hour.
  6. Frankincense essential oil: If it is organic, therapeutic grade quality, then it is safe to take 2-3 drops in water 2 to 3 times daily.
  7. Other essential oils can aid healing. Immune strengthening or other oils can be useful diffused or rubbed into the skin.
  8. Cinnamon powder mixed with raw honey is a good immune booster, about ½ to 1 teaspoon each, 3 times daily.
  9. Three cloves of crushed garlic mixed with honey also boosts the immune system, up to 3 times daily.
  10. Using the neti pot with warm water mixed with salt can help clear sinuses and fight an infection. Mixing 1/8 teaspoon salt with 1 cup water is the formula suggested.
  11. Oil of oregano capsules can help fight infection. Two capsules taken twice daily can be effective.
  12. Juicing vegetables can strengthen the immune system. Adding a bit of fat in the way of butter or coconut oil can aid in digestion.
  13. Eating a nutrient-dense diet is especially important when fighting illness. The principles of the Weston Price Foundation can provide an excellent guide to eating healthy foods.
  14. Eat homemade chicken soup. Chicken soup made with bone broth is truly healing.
  15. Eating fermented foods such as kefir, fermented vegetables and drinks such as kombucha boosts the immune system. The gut is the center of one’s immune system, so flooding the gut with good bacteria can only help.
  16. Detoxification always helps the immune system. An easy way to do this is by bathing with either 2 cups of Epsom salt or a combination of 1 cup baking soda and 1 cup Epsom salt. Epsom salt also provides the body with important magnesium. [5]

Conclusions

Flu vaccinations have caused serious disease and death, including miscarriages, Guillain-Barré Syndrome, and influenza. The influenza vaccine has been reported to be effective zero to 50% of the time.

Safer practices exist to build one’s immune system and stay healthy this winter. Some suggestions for avoiding illness include eating nutrient-dense foods, taking vitamins C and D, resting and detoxifying through Epsom salt baths.

References:

  1. http://articles.mercola.com…flu-vaccination-epa-safety-limit-for-mercury.aspx
  2. http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/deadly-truth-about-flu-vaccines…
  3. http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-vaccine…settled-cases-for-injuries/
  4. http://www.nvic.org…flu-shots-fail-half-the-time.aspx
  5. http://holistichealthtogo.com/2016/11/07/16-immune-boosters…

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Michelle Goldstein is a mental health therapist who is passionate about holistic health, natural healing, nutrient-dense foods and the politics that impact them. She has published articles for Natural News, VacTruth, and other health websites. All of her published articles to date can be found at her health website, Holistic Health to Go. She can also be followed on her Facebook Page, Holistic Health to Go.

  • Lee Reikert

    No vaccines for me and I have advanced lung disease. Curious thing is that I’m never sick. I might get a head cold that lasts a couple of days (usually once a year), but that’s it. With my illness and according to conventional doctors, I should be running in fear to the closest location to get my yearly flu and pneumonia shots. Instead, I protect the powerful immune system that nature provided me by using nutrition, exercise, rest and low stress. The more I know about vaccines the more I understand their dangers and the corruption supporting and pushing their use.

  • The flu shot clearly causes more harm than good. It’s best for us to stop the entire flu shot program.

    First off, it basically doesn’t work:

    The highly respected Cochrane Collaboration wrote in their 2014 meta study (a study of all studies after weeding out the poorly designed ones):
    “71 people would need vaccination to prevent one case of influenza”, “The results of this review seem to discourage the utilisation of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine public health measure.”

    http://www.cochrane.org/CD001269/ARI_vaccines-to-prevent-influenza-in-healthy-adults

    This vaccine not only doesn’t protect against the flu, it increases the chance of someone getting strains of the flu other than that in the current shot, in this case, the pandemic strain.

    “During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, researchers at the B.C. Centre for Disease Control originally thought seasonal flu shots from 2008 might offer extra protection against the new pandemic strain. They were puzzled to find instead, seasonal flu vaccination almost doubled the risk of infection with pandemic flu.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-vaccine-paradox-adds-to-public-health-debate-1.2912790

    Here is one of the first studies showing the effect:

    Seasonal Influenza Vaccine and Increased Risk of Pandemic A/H1N1-Related Illness: First Detection of the Association in British Columbia, Canada
    http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/51/9/1017.full

    Further research corroborated this:

    Randomized Controlled Ferret Study to Assess the Direct Impact of 2008–09 Trivalent Inactivated Influenza Vaccine on A(H1N1)pdm09 Disease Risk
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3903544

    Since then other studies in kids have shown how it weakens another part of the immune system making you more susceptible to other infections.

    In this study, the children had a 4.4 higher chance of getting an upper respiratory virus infection after getting the seasonal flu shot:

    Increased Risk of Noninfluenza Respiratory Virus Infections Associated With Receipt of Inactivated Influenza Vaccine
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/

    The reason is because it suppresses production of cytotoxic T lymphocytes that are adroit killers of intracellular pathogens, including viruses and bacteria:

    Annual Vaccination against Influenza Virus Hampers Development of Virus-Specific CD8+ T Cell Immunity in Children
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3209321/

    As explained here:
    http://bitesized.immunology.org/cells/cd8-t-cells

    This Stat article is very good at explaining the how repeated annual flu vaccination increases the chances of getting the flu:

    Getting a flu shot every year? More may not be better
    https://www.statnews.com/2015/11/11/flu-shots-reduce-effectiveness

  • Jesus baby

    Hi Aangel, I was curious which vaccines you DO recommend. Thanks!

  • When VaccineCourse.org launches in Q2, you’ll learn what we think and more. Sign up on the homepage to be notified of the launch.

    In the meantime, I recommend using Dr. Paul’s guidance if you feel vaccines are necessary:
    The Vaccine-Friendly Plan: Dr. Paul’s Safe and Effective Approach to Immunity and Health-from Pregnancy Through Your Child’s Teen Years
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1101884231

  • Jesus baby

    “When VaccineCourse.org launches in Q2, you’ll learn what we think and more.”
    Who’s talking about “we”? I just want to know which vaccines YOU, Aangel, recommend.

  • AutismDadd

    CDC has no interest in adverse effects. After all this is experimentation. They do wish that these pesky maiming and killing thingies would stop, but not at the expense of their confession to causing harm and recommending dangerous products. After all, FREE TEST SUBJECTS don’t grow on trees. CDC hopes to perfect vaccines one day in the distant future, sort of like I want to one day live with Jenny McCarthy, but chances of either are more slim that a sheet of T.P.

  • AutismDadd

    You need the one that prevents diarrhea

  • So here again, instead of focusing on the information that aangel posted and as related to the article above, you simply and again choose to ignore that information and go after the reply poster himself, in asking the personal and unrelated question that you have. I can tell you how many I recommend, zero. How old are you Jesus baby? Are you up to date yourself, and as far as the existing CDC vaccine schedule? What vaccines have you recently had; lets say in the last 5 years? If you aren’t up to date on your own vaccines as recommended by the CDC; then why would you support and recommend them for others?

    To go with the above information, here as well is some further information on the subject matters of what is known in regard to vaccination, as the concept of original antigenic sin. Have you ever heard of it; and what do you personally know about it, besides absolutely nothing?

    The Currently Failed Flu Vaccine Expose/ With Original Antigenic Sin Study Info
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-currently-failed-flu-vaccine-expose-with-original-antigenic-sin-study-info.html

    Here is a further vaccine study guide for you; and which contains many good studies related to vaccines, and vaccine risk.

    Autism and the Vaccine Trigger
    http://unhoodwinked.com/Autism.html#CDCConference

  • Jesus baby

    “I can tell you how many I recommend, zero.”
    I didn’t ask you. And why do you think I’m “going after” him?

  • Because from day one that is all you have ever done, (regarding any vaccine truth that is posted here), and that is largely all you can ever do.

  • Jesus baby

    How is asking which vaccines he recommends “going after” him?

  • Jesus baby

    What experiments in your mind do you think the CDC is doing on us with flu shots, A-dad?

  • How is entirely ignoring what he posted regarding the flu vaccine, and focusing only on an unrelated question put to him, not going after him personally? That is all you ever do. He answered your question, and all you have to do is hook up with that information; and which you know you will never do. If you actually did that, you could make your own conclusion. What people like us are completely aware of is that you can not tell anyone to vaccinate or not vaccinate; but to only make their own decision based on as much complete and real information as possible. Many people as well are on different levels of learning, research and knowledge. That is as well why the vactruth site exists; to help further that knowledge. You are not here to discuss or debate the vaccine issues; as to your actual knowledge of this subject matter you have shown clearly that you are unable to do that. You are only here in an attempt to attack and attempt to belittle the messenger, each and e very time, and that is all you have ever done here, and now on multiple articles. Why the vactruth site allows people like you to continue here, is a mystery to me, and I am for sure for many people that see what goes on here.

    Here is just a short list of tactics and assorted things that I have seen people like you and your other partner vaccine shills do here on this site.

    Present with repeated lies, deception, denial, false claims, harassment, repeated and baseless antagonization, refusal to honestly and diligently debate any of the vaccine issues, personal attacks, repeated attempts at false discreditation borderline to and if not entirely based on slander, repeated and obvious attempts to create nothing but more disruption and distraction and away from any existing diligent debate. Now more recently there have been as well accusations, statements, and threats camouflaged through a nonsense filled, crazy, and false narrative story. And on and on it goes and with almost zero moderation intervention. The whole shill plan is to just simply ruin this sites article reply posting section. Take a look, that is exactly what has been happening.

    One thing you can not take away is how much good information and research had been produced from that and posted here, and in using you people for a literal sounding board and with a figuratively speaking stage podium to get even more truth information out there; and if those interested in vaccine truth have and will take the time to read it.

    Certainly, and as well what you refuse to see is just how bad all of you make the pro-vaccine side actually look. That picture in itself as to your obvious and complete loss of an credibility, lends to a situation where anyone honestly looking fore the truth, would never trust a single word of what you post. Your outcome is actually just the opposite of what what in your denial, you think and claim to that it is.

  • Jesus baby

    So you didn’t answer the question, Lowell. How is asking which vaccines he recommends “going after” him?

  • I clearly did answer that question, and you chose to ignore it. Whenever you hit another hill you can not climb, and in having no ability in any honesty to make another reply post; you just simply ignore the content of the post that you insist on continuing to reply to, and then you simply lie about what was there. See how you are? So how are you paid; by the number of reply posts that you make, paid by the week; what?

  • Jesus baby

    You went on a long rant, but you STILL haven’t explain how asking him which vaccines he recommends is “going after” him.

  • Looks like someone would need and have to rub your nose in it all? Just keep replying on this page and we are all going to see what I am talking about in regard to you. The same thing as always, and the same thing that you have done on every previous article you have posted on.

  • Jesus baby

    That’s 4 dodges already, Lowell – at least it appears that way. Maybe you don’t understand the question. Let me try a 5th time.
    Why (specifically) would it be an attack on Aangel for me to ask him which vaccines he recommends? He is apparently a vaccine expert. He is collaborating with others to develop an online vaccine study course, and I applaud him for his efforts. Now we know he doesn’t like the influenza vaccine. That’s a given. Have I attacked him about that? No! I simply want to know what vaccines he DOES recommend.
    Does that help, Lowell? Did a light turn on in your head? Are the bells ringing?

  • Just because you refuse to accept the reality of answer, does not qualify the answer as a dodged question. You can continue to throw all the refusing any common sense crazy at it that you want to. It will not change the outcome and no matter how much you demand it to.

  • Jesus baby

    Tell you what, Lowell. After 5 dodges most people would stop trying to get through to you. But not me. To me, I’m like the Perkins School for the Blind, and you’re Helen Keller.

    Let’s place you in a hypothetical situation. You’re sitting at a bus stop waiting to be taken to work. The snow is gently falling. A nice man sits next to you, and you strike up a conversation. The topic turns to your hobbies, and you mention you’re an expert on vaccines. He tells you he just had his flu shot, and you list several reasons you feel flu shots aren’t helpful. Intrigued, he asks you what vaccines you DO recommend.
    Do you feel anger? Rage? Do you feel he is attacking you personally? If so, what is it about his question that makes you feel that way?

  • AutismDadd

    So you are really that dense? Every injection is an experiment.

  • Jesus baby

    Do you mean like evil scientists are actually conducting sinister research, or do you mean just in general you can’t know with 100% certainty what will happen if you get a vaccine or eat a cracker or something?

  • 655321

    He needs the one that prevents verbal diarrhea.

  • AutismDadd

    So juvenile. So you would claim there is no difference among people? Tell us in your poorly informed way why 19 countries have Vaccine injury compensation programs. Tell us why the USA has VAERS the VACCINE ADVERSE EVENT REPORTING SYSTEM, if all people get safe vaccines and no harm comes from it.

  • Jesus baby

    I’d like you to expand on your “every injection is an experiment” beliefs, A-dad.

  • AutismDadd

    Nope. You first need to address my comment and questions.

  • Jesus baby

    I understand why you don’t want to talk about it.

  • You are doing all of the mindless talking, and of course, none of the listening.

    Talk to me ignorant and so called with no identity, Jesus baby? Answer to me about all the shill things you are scared of. Did so called David send you your shilling payment today?

    Lets simplify some basic vaccine risk, verses benefit truths.

    I personally have not been vaccinated in over 4 decades. I will never again be vaccinated and no matter what, and as long as the power within me to say no, exists. Vaccines historically and to the current day, are always more risk of harm done than any benefit, and that risk far more-so today than ever, and with the current number of vaccines and injected doses on the CDC vaccine schedule.

    Millions of adults residing in the US alone have never been re-vaccinated since childhood, and if so, it been very minimally, and certainly they were not re-vaccinated for most of the known so called vaccine preventable childhood illnesses.

    Vaccines do not provide increased antibody immunity protection for life, and as for some illnesses natural immunity does provide that said protection. In fact vaccine derived immunity if any will wane and become nonexistent in a number of years, more or less depending on the individual.

    The CDC claim is that vaccine derived herd immunity must exist to control and eradicate these said illnesses; and which they call horrible and to be fear mongered about, diseases. With this said, where does their so called vaccine derived herd immunity exist? It obvious does not exist, and it would be impossible for it to exist.

    With that said, and being that only the school children are vaccinated, why then are not such as polio, measles, mumps, rubella, and diphtheria, etc; or even small pox returning and infecting the adult population with significant and if not massive numbers of individuals getting sick with those illnesses, and with many dying?

    This would suggest that vaccines actually did not play as significant a role in so called VPD reduction and eradication as we have been told that they did. As well if vaccines have, can, and do actually eradicate illness, then why have not the measles and pertussis vaccines yet eradicated those illnesses, and in all the years since a vaccine was developed?

    Do you see anything wrong with this picture, and anything at all to question in it and as to it? In the pro-vax world they demand that there has never been anything to consider, and nothing to question. That trusting and sheeple mentality is what keeps the right questions from being asked.

    In fact the vaccine risk issue as well can be properly weighed as to the risk verses the benefits if all vaccine injuries and caused death are simply blown off as unproven coincidences in regard to any possible vaccine or multiple injected vaccine causation. The current vaccine injury risk situation as to the current number of vaccines given and the number of injected doses given, is in and at this day and time, so serious that vaccine efficacy questions are at a point and at this point no longer even being considered in the risk ratio question. Most parents who have done the independent research and fully understand this situation, as well now say that they would rather risk any such illness, verses taking the chance on their child or teen being vaccine injured, and with the possibility of even resulting death. As to the truth and reality of this, they are exactly right. But to understand that you must get do the independent and unbiased research and get honest about the known and obvious risks. This is the basic difference between the pro-vaccine truth camp and the pro-vaccine camp. They can call it anti-vaccine all they want, but for most it is only an issue of asking the question and in knowing what is the truth regarding actual current and historical vaccine efficacy; that and as well of course in asking what are the real level of vaccine risks verses benefit.

    The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    My response to Antonio Baduy Cámara, and the blog Skeptical Raptor, as to their response to 9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxer’s
    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • No, I would just tell them why the flu vaccine is very ineffective and as well toxic and contaminated, and not worth the risk of injecting. I would tell them that due to the known concept and issue of original antigenic sin, and only applying to vaccines, the the flu shots will as well make you at more risk of contracting a form severe flu and that as well may result in death, and if the flu strains in the flu vaccine you took do not match what exists and what you acquire for flu in your community. Then I would leave it at that, and because any more than that for the typical mislead sheeple, will only cause only complete vaccine truth information over-load.

  • The pro-vaccine “Shillary” just worships Paul Offit? Oh wait, actually it appears that they want to entirely disconnect and disassociate from his idiotic pro-vaccine lunacy, and as if he doesn’t exist. To late. Perhaps they should instead nominate with a lot more common sense and honesty, Robert Kennedy JR. to head the CDC, and we would sure get a lot more done in regard to protecting the children, and as well in regard to the existing vaccine safety issues.

    Millions of Children Infected with ‘Vaccine Safety Experts’ Rotateq Vaccine: Dr. Paul Offit

    Unfortunately for Dr. Offit (not so affectionately named Dr. Profit), a 2010 study published in Journal of Virology revealed that his multi-million dollar grossing patent on the Rotateq vaccine contains a live simian retrovirus (with a 96% match of certainty) that has likely infected millions of children over the past few years with a virus that causes great harm. Retrovirus infections are permanent, and can carry on indefinitely into future generations. In other words, once they are inserted into the human genome they can not be removed. View the entire PDF here.

    Moreover, a 2014 study published in Advances in Virology found Dr. Offit’s vaccine contains a “a baboon endogenous virus strain M7…likely due to the monkey cell line in which RotaTeq was produced from.” View the entire PDF here.

    Read more:
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/breaking-news-millions-children-infected-vaccine-safety-experts-rotateq-vaccine

    VACCINE CONTAMINATION: A THREAT TO HUMAN HEALTH
    http://www.nvic.org/Downloads/Rotavirus-Campaign/VACCINE-CONTAMINATION–A-THREAT-TO-HUMAN-HEALTH.aspx

    Rotavirus Vaccines Still Contaminated With Pig Virus DNA
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/rotavirus-vaccines-still-contamined-pig-virus-dna

    RFK Jr. asked to head vaccine safety commission by Trump (Action Alert)

    Take Action: Please support the vaccine safety commission

    If you haven’t seen the news, yesterday Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. announced that President-Elect Trump, “asked me to chair a commission on vaccine safety and scientific integrity” in a televised statement as he left a meeting in Trump Tower. The announcement has not yet been confirmed by the Trump team.

    As could have been expected, the corporate media is going bonkers over this announcement and has directed a barrage of criticism at Trump and Kennedy. Please click on the Take Action link above to send President-Elect Trump a message supporting creation of the commission.

    http://capwiz.com/a-champ/issues/alert/?alertid=74680626&queueid=%5Bcapwiz:queue_id%5D

    Trump asks vaccine skeptic RFK Jr. to lead study on vaccine safety
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/01/10/donald-trump-robert-kennedy-vaccines-autism/96391920/

    Vaccines Revealed
    http://www.vaccinesrevealed.com/?inf_contact_key=a46428f0de0c75f95097f5b650d746cd4a2f2899d4f3f1d900733bcf88aa741e

  • Jesus baby

    We may be reaching a breakthrough moment here, Lowell. So if that man asking you what vaccines you DO recommend isn’t an attack, how is me asking Aangel the same question an attack?

  • Jesus baby

    Let’s try to stay on topic, Lowell. Do YOU, like A-dad, think the CDC is experimenting on us with vaccines?

  • AutismDadd

    Coward

  • Jesus baby

    Oh, the irony.

  • I am right on topic, and you are not. My name is not AutismDadd, and his posts are not my posts. However, and as to the question, much of vaccine development is clearly an experiment, and little more. What role in that so called experimenting does the CDC play? Well use your head and answer your own question.

    And if the below claims are true, then the CDC is as much a part of that said vaccine experimentation as is vaccine developing Big Pharma.

    CDC is a Vaccine Company, Not an Independent Agency — revealed by activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

    The Centers for Disease Control is a Subsidiary of the Pharmaceutical Industry.

    The CDC owns over 20 vaccines patents. It sells about 4.6 billion dollars of vaccines every year.

    https:[email protected][email protected]ctivist-robert-f-kennedy-jr

  • Jesus baby

    You’re being vague and drifting off topic again, Lowell. What experiments is the CDC performing on us with vaccines?

  • AutismDadd

    Oh the diaper rash

  • Jesus baby

    Bad mommy! BAD!

  • Again I am still right on target, and just because you in your more twisted bullshit seeking mind want to take and derail this discussion with false accusations of and as to what is really being stated and put forth here; amounts to that being your own personal problem and no one else’s. You are attempting to simply put words and false claims into the interpretation of reply posts made, and to falsely accuse a claim that has not been made. You continually attempt to put it in your altered version terms, and not in my terms, or our terms. That is because you are paid to post and in the attempt to make us all look like stupid conspiracy theorist whack jobs that have no common sense in the space between our ear lobes. The truth is that the real common sense lacking fool here, is actually you; and it always will be you. I know directly what your goal is here, what you are attempting to do, and what you are paid to do. Guess what, it has been failing and repeatedly and on every level. Just face it.

    They are not per say attempting experiments on us, fool. The vaccines and in their formulation, antigen development, ingredients, and production; are the experiment, and as to their safety and actual efficacy. Largely immunologists do not have a clue what they are actually doing as to the public’s general health outcome in regard to vaccines. And of course you have done near to zero independent research much more a lot of it, so you would be and remain entirely clueless as to what I am even talking about.

    What do you as well think happens when you remove all legal liability for a product and regardless of how much injury, disability, and death results from the injection of that product? I will tell you what happens, they go greed wild in attempting to make new vaccines and have corrupt FDA approved, even more vaccines. What has happened to the numbers of vaccines on the CDC vaccine schedule since the 1987 enactment of the federal, National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program? We now have four times the numbers of vaccines and vaccine doses than previously existed. Without any legal liability risk, there as well is zero existing incentive to create safe, and/or safer vaccines. What else would you call that but a vaccine experiment, and with little regard to actual public safety in the outcome?

    There are 271 New Vaccines in Big Pharma’s Pipeline
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2015/there-are-271-new-vaccines-in-big-pharmas-pipeline/

    Vaccine Market Size Projected To Reach $77.5 Billion By 2024
    https://www.grandviewresearch.com/press-release/global-vaccine-market

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

    Of course major profits to be gained now since 1987, and with no existing legal liability for anyone involved in regard to CDC’s recommended and state mandated for public school attendance …vaccines; would have nothing to do with this outcome, now would it? It is all again just a coincidence.

    GLOBAL VACCINE MARKET: RAPID
    GROWTH and CHANGING STATUS
     Tripled in value from USD 5B in 2000 to almost USD 24 B in 2013
    – Influenza vaccine market: estimated at $2.9 billion in 2011 to $3.8 billion by 2018
    – US : $1.6 billion in 2011 to $2.2 billion in 2018
     Global market projected to rise to USD 100 B by 2025
     More than 120 new products in the development pipeline
     60 are of importance for developing countries
     Vaccines: becoming an engine for the pharmaceutical industry
     Changing status of the vaccines within the pharmaceutical industry
     New business model for vaccines is emerging?

    Read more:
    http://who.int/influenza_vaccines_plan/resources/session_10_kaddar.pdf

  • The difference in that is that said and hypothetical person at the bus stop is not posting here on vactruth like you are. They are as well not at the same time evading and like you are, the real and important issues put forth by this article and its posted reply comments. Furthermore, aangel did answer your question with information that you could have found your own answer from. As well, and again, the information and the replies found here are not necessarily intended to telling people which vaccines to get or not get; but only to provide the information that allows them to make their own informed decision. That is what aangel provided for you, and exactly that. So quit trying to hound people repeatedly for an answer that they have already provided.

  • Jesus baby

    “They are not per say attempting experiments on us…”
    Great! Maybe you and A-dad can clear that up between yourselves then.

  • Sounds like Jesus baby continues to have a diaper full. Your question was fully answered. See if you can try and focus your mind on replying properly to the correct people, and not as a one size fits all, general response to all.

  • Jesus baby

    Aangel referred me to a web site that won’t even be created until the 2nd quarter of 2017, Lowell. And even if I waited until then he said I’ll “learn what WE think” (my emphasis). So he dodged the question. I want to know which vaccines HE recommends, and I don’t want to wait up to 5 months.
    None of that is relevant to the question I put to you, however. It was a different question. Remember the question? You’ve dodged 6 times now. How is my asking Aangel (or anyone for that matter) what vaccines he DOES recommend an ATTACK?

  • Jesus baby

    Well you butted in A-dad’s and my conversation while he was dodging the question of whether the CDC is experimenting on us with vaccines, and after you finally answered the question it’s clear you 2 are in disagreement. So I thought maybe y’all could talk amongst yourselves. One of you obviously isn’t towing the party line.

  • I don’t think that we are in any significant way, actually in disagreement at all. The only real and existing problem resides with you, and you alone, and as to your attempt to keep on spinning only words and terms to falsely create meanings that you think you can alter and exploit for own continuing to grasp at only straws benefit and agenda. You have shown conclusively as to your existing knowledge, that you have no ability to actually debate directly the real vaccines issues; so you repeatedly resort to only more disruption and distraction causing antagonistic posting behavior. You are smart enough to understand what towing the party line even means and involves.

  • You have had years to do the proper unbiased independent research, and to decide to accept that said research on vaccines, Obviously you have failed to do so. So is it now Aangel’s fault that you have continued to fail to do that? Talk about blaming anyone else but yourself. In the age of information, continued ignorance is a choice. And I have obviously answered your question directly several times, and you just keep on defying it and rejecting the answer. Why don’t you just leave the real vaccine debate to those that have done the needed research, and that are actually educated on these matters? You are just wasting space and everyones time in the reply section of this article.

  • Jesus baby

    “I don’t think that we are in any significant way, actually in disagreement at all…”

    Yet A-dad says, “After all this is experimentation” and “After all, FREE TEST SUBJECTS don’t grow on trees” and “Every injection is an experiment.”

    While you say, “”They are not per say attempting experiments on us, fool.”
    So which one of you is wrong, Lowell?

  • Jesus baby

    That’s 7 dodges now, Lowell! Let’s see how high you can go!
    Remember the question? How is my asking Aangel (or anyone) what vaccines he DOES recommend an ATTACK?

  • Typical mindless shill; just keeps asking the same question 100 times and because they can not and yet refuse to realize, and to accept the stated and correct answer.

  • Again, all you are doing is spinning words and the meaning and definitions of words and phrases. Worthless, can you comprehend the meaning that that word and if used in a phrase? Just more attempted irrelevant and repeated disruption and distraction, is what is going on with you. The vaccine experiment is not founded on a deliberate attempt to produce and to make it that, but being the nature of vaccines are what they are, the outcome has produced exactly that. Get it yet?

  • Jesus baby

    “Worthless, can you comprehend the meaning that that word and if used in a phrase?”

    What?

    “The vaccine experiment is not founded on a deliberate attempt to produce and to make it that, but being the nature of vaccines are what they are, the outcome has produced exactly that. Get it yet?”
    Lol what?

  • Jesus baby

    8! Round and round she goes! Where she stops nobody knows!

    How is my asking Aangel (or anyone) what vaccines he DOES recommend an ATTACK?

  • For the reasons I already told you. Lets go to round 9 and see if you can actually answer my question and which you ignored and that you have made no reply to. In regard to the current CDC vaccine schedule, which vaccines have you had yourself, and within the last ten years? You aren’t shilling for and advocating for taking vaccines, and while taking none of them yourself, are you? As well with that you can specify your age.

  • I knew you were dumb, but I didn’t know you were that dumb? You are going to refuse to get it, no matter what. Like I said, leave the vaccine debate to people that actually know what they are talking about, and not some weasel like you that just keeps taking the funding money to post more trash.

  • Jesus baby

    That’s 9 Lowell! He walks! He talks! He crawls on his belly like a reptile! Wanna go for 10?

    How is my asking Aangel (or anyone) what vaccines he DOES recommend an ATTACK?

  • And in your hypocrisy you still refuse to answer the question. Ding Ding. And that was the end of the round by technical knock out. TKO ..Jesus baby leaves in his diaper, and on a stretcher.

  • kfunk937

    I hope you don’t mind my mentioning that my impression of this conversation has been that is serves as a great metaphor for test to destruction.

    We should start a pool on all the possible outcomes.
    :D

  • False dilemma: We could do both.

  • You can’t just blame your mommy for what you have, and what you are.

  • Jesus baby

    What language was that?

  • English, and which you apparently can not understand.

  • Jesus baby

    That’s 10 dodges! Step right up folks and see him go for 11!
    How is my asking Aangel (or anyone) which vaccines he DOES recommend an ATTACK?

  • Jesus baby

    I dunno Lowell. Maybe your Neptunian translator needs new batteries.

  • Jesus baby

    It’s hard to tell, man. The Force is strong with this one.

  • tripnasty84

    either you cannot read, or youre a complete idiot dipshit. the effects of vaccines are not entirely known, this has been proven by the hundreds of thousands of known injurys from vaccines. therefore, every injection is an experiment, that clear enough for you, dumbass? how much do you make as paid opposition to antivaxer site’s?

  • tripnasty84

    lmao, you accuse someone of dodging, while you yourself NEVER answer a single question asked and only spin the words of others. youre either a shill or a chump

  • Jesus baby

    “either you cannot read, or youre a complete idiot dipshit. the effects of vaccines are not entirely known, this has been proven by the hundreds of thousands of known injurys from vaccines. therefore, every injection is an experiment, that clear enough for you, dumbass? how much do you make as paid opposition to antivaxer site’s?”
    Lol Lowell:)

  • Jesus baby

    “lmao, you accuse someone of dodging, while you yourself NEVER answer a single question asked and only spin the words of others. youre either a shill or a chump”

    That’s 11 Lowell, even with a brand new sock puppet account! It’s the greatest show on earth! Can the young man make it 12?

    How is my asking Aangel (or anyone) which vaccines he DOES recommend an ATTACK?

  • Any way you look at it Jb; and no matter what the language is that is being used; you will still never understand any of it, and as to what you stubbornly and deliberately refuse to get.

  • Here is your question, again. In regard to the current CDC vaccine schedule, which vaccines have you had yourself, and within the last ten years? You aren’t shilling for and advocating for taking vaccines, and while taking none of them yourself, are you? As well with that you will need to specify your age.

    Again, your question was already answered more than once. You are not allowed to refuse the answer and just because it does not meet with your expected approval, and as well your sick need to simply continue arguing. Why do you keep repeatedly dodging this above question, and which yet remains entirely unanswered to?

  • I can assure you that is not my post, and that I have no so called socket puppet character names here. I see that post said tripnasty84
    –> Jesus baby • 6 hours ago. So you entirely evaded the statement that was made to you, and simply come back in attempting to further post your trash against me. How about if you just respond to the comment that tripnasty84 made, there so called Jesus baby? You know that it is true, and that there is no way for you to deny it.

  • J baby always wants to ask dumb and falsely antagonizing questions, and then all while entirely ignoring and refusing to answer any questions that are directed back.

  • Jesus baby

    Hey Lowell, your new sock puppet tripnasty84 got real quiet all of a sudden!

  • Jesus baby

    That’s 12 Lowell! How is my asking Aangel (or anyone) which vaccines he DOES recommend an ATTACK?

  • Jesus baby

    Lol yes, Lowell, that post said tripnasty84 because that’s your new sock puppet account. Do you not realize your writing style is so absurd anyone could spot you a mile away?

    And that’s 13 dodges to the simple question, “How is my asking Aangel (or anyone) which vaccines he DOES recommend an ATTACK?”

  • As a fact it is not me, and you are just using the falsely accused situation to again evade what that person stated to you. Listen, you pathetic excuse for human existence, I were ever to have desired to create a so called sock puppet acct., I would have done it long ago.. I have no need for it. How many such accounts do you have would be the more real and reasonable question to ask?

  • So anyone opposing you other than me or a regular here, then just has to be me using a sock puppet account. Your arrogant stupidity is a real stomach turner.

  • Jesus baby

    “As a fact it is not me…”

    Of course it was you, you simpleton. And that’s 14 dodges to the simple question, “How is my asking Aangel (or anyone) which vaccines he DOES recommend an ATTACK?”

  • Jesus baby

    No (but nice strawman), you’re just far too illiterate to disguise your bizarre writing characteristics, although you tried. I especially liked the way you used “you’re” correctly (minus the apostrophe) for the first time ever. You had to look it up didn’t you?

  • If it’s not you, then you’re obviously paying them to post on your behalf. They’re just shills for Big Hubbs.

  • Wow are you ever stupid. You will do anything to evade direct accusations and questions put to you. Again, I have no clue who that person is, as a fact.

  • Again, that has already been answered. Did you go to that video series yet and which Aangel told you to go to? They are already into their Vaccines Revealed Episode 5. No, you were to busy attempting to continue to antagonize me, and so you missed all the information that you were directed to, and which would have and as both of us told you it would; would have answered your question, directly. You could have done that and then came back and given a reply as to what you were informed of there in that series; but no; for you its is much more important to just argue and falsely antagonize other posters; and of course that is what you get funded and paid to do here.

    You better get signed up and with your email account and so you don’t miss the rest of this very informative and educational series, and that as well in regard to actual vaccine safety..
    http://www.vaccinesrevealed.com/

    And here again is your said question and which you refuse to answer. What vaccines have you had yourself, and within the last ten years? You aren’t shilling for and advocating for taking vaccines, and while taking none of them yourself, are you? As well with that you will need to specify your age.

  • Jesus baby

    Lying is a sin, Lowell.

  • Jesus baby

    That’s not the question, Lowell. The question for you, which you’ve now dodged 15 times (15!) is, “How is my asking Aangel (or anyone) which vaccines he DOES recommend an ATTACK?”
    You can answer either as Lowell Hubbs or one your sock puppets.

  • You are as well likely to be kfunk93? Are you? In your hypocrisy, is that a sin? No, as a fact the only posting name I have ever had here is my own. I have told you before that I deplore the use of character names and being that I have used my own identity since 2009, I don’t at this point ever intend to change that. You know that you always refuse to be wrong, and no matter what.

  • So just more denial, more stupid and false claims, and as well the evasion of any claim against you, and as well question that put to you, is all you have here? Thanks for showing us that directly. And no matter how beyond dumb you continue to look, you refuse to just pack up and leave. That said funding must be good. And he doesn’t even care how dumb you look. You can as just well admit that you don’t actually even know the first thing about vaccines, and the vaccine issues.

  • Jesus baby

    Look at you trying to squirm out of it:) Lowell “Sock Puppet” Hubbs

  • Well you are going to show us that you are going to continue to dodge the real question, and the more import question for 100 posts and if you need to.

    This is the question, and I am asking you again directly, In regard to the current CDC vaccine schedule, which vaccines have you had yourself, and within the last ten years? As well with that you will need to specify your age.

    You aren’t doing paid shilling for, and advocating for the use of and in taking vaccines, and while taking none of them yourself, now are you? I think you are.

    And you might as well also admit that you really have no evidence at all for that false and alleged sock puppet claim; and that just made it up. You know that you will do anything and to evade the real truth regarding yourself.

  • Jesus baby

    That’s 16 dodges Lowell Sock Puppet Hubbs! Why don’t you make another sock puppet account to support yourself? Why stop there? Make 10!

  • Really? And your evidence for that is what? And some person that posted only one time, and that I have seen? I funded that? Your claim is just as dumb and preposterous as your false thinking that you can actually debate the vaccine issues.

  • Jesus baby

    17 dodges for Lowell Sock Puppet Hubbs! C’mon bro, why is it an ATTACK If I ask Aangel (or anyone) which vaccines they recommend?

  • I don’t want to be like you funded shills, and that do it all the time. I am a one man show, and you should know that by now. Always was and always will be. And that is all you have and all you can do is whoop it up with false claims like that? How desperate do you actually look at this point? And you are never going to admit that, are you.

  • Why else would anybody say such obviously twisted, sick and as well delusional falsely antagonizing preposterosity unless they were being paid? It is obvious and as well clearly plain to anybody.

  • Go for 100, fool.

    This is the same question, and I am asking you again directly, In regard to the current CDC vaccine schedule, which vaccines have you had yourself, and within the last ten years? As well with that you will need to specify your age.

    And you as well never did explain why you never went to the answering your question informational source that Aangel gave you. You also never actually replied to answer I gave you. You just simply ignored that it was there. You don’t really want answers, as then you would not be able to continue to falsely accuse and antagonize people; and of course that is literally all you ever do here.

  • I wanted to ask you as well, which vaccines do you recommend …Jb? And as well which vaccines have you actually taken, and in the last ten years? Now, there are two parts to your question.

  • Look at you squirming, grinning, smiling in your own large pool of deflecting and obvious stupidity.

  • What is? That post made zero sense. What are you drinking and/or smoking again, tonight?

  • Shamelessly Big Hubbs sickly and as well twistedly spreads false discreditation. Everybody here knows that you have no evidence that I’m drinking or smoking anything, but in your delusional and as well beyond dumb deflection, you try to falsely antagonize me. Only you and your disgusting and as well ignorant shills think that you’re fooling anybody.

  • Your reply posting is showing to be written by someone that is more than just a bit off in the head. How else do you explain that? You as well talk a repeated rant and line of BS that has zero evidence of any facts existing behind it. Just because you blurt something that delusional out loud, and then just type it on your keyboard, does not in itself make it true. How many weeks or months as well has it been since you even addressed anything directly of a vaccine related nature. No, all you do is just sit and post one pile of senseless trash after another.

  • Your reply posting is showing to be written by someone that is more than just a bit off in the head.

    You hit the nail on the head, Zblorgon. I’m deliberating copying the way you post. I’m trying to write like you do.

  • Mike Stevens

    However, we know that Lowell might well be drinking something, if his several DUI convictions are indicative of anything, and there is a history of other substances.
    http://vaccineconspiracytheorist.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/lowell-hubbs-self-medicating-criminal.html

    ETA: I don’t normally make comments like this, but as Lowell is accusing others of drinking and taking drugs, I feel it is pertinent.

  • Jesus baby

    Sadly Lowell will now run to Jeffry and get this post deleted.

  • Jesus baby

    You even upvoted your sock puppet so called “Lowell Hubbs”.

  • Jesus baby

    That’s 18 dodges so called “Lowell Hubbs”! Or tripnasty84. Or whatever other sock puppet accounts you’re using. Why is it an ATTACK for me to ask Aangel (or anyone) which vaccines they recommend?

  • Jesus baby

    19 dodges Lowell/tripnasty! Do I hear 20?! How is my asking Aangel (or anyone) which vaccines he recommends an attack?

  • Jesus baby

    Looks like you’re a 2-man show, Lowell/tripnasty! And that’s 20 dodges! How is my asking Aangel (or anyone) which vaccines he recommends an attack?

  • AutismDadd

    Oh I thought he was just a D-BAG

  • Loquacious Rotavirus?

  • Mike Stevens

    Heh!
    Whatever you do, don’t mention the microzymes!

  • All I know is that they Jbaby demands that it always be a one way street, with nothing ever coming back on him. Real debate of course is always a two way street so to speak, and with all information being allowed on the table and with no a

  • Enjoy it while you can.

  • Jesus baby

    21!

  • 655321

    An attempt at humor? Nice.

  • AutismDadd

    Make it a double

  • AutismDadd

    His diapers may be one size fits all shills

  • AutismDadd

    You’ve proven you are a buttcrack. We believe you, so no more proof is needed.

  • AutismDadd

    Are You Greek?

  • Jesus baby

    You’re just a troll.

  • AutismDadd

    I asked you to NOT provide more evidence of your buttcrackness

  • Your childish brain obviously has an IQ level less than your shoe size.

  • So without any evidence or proof for that claim, other than what is contained in your twisted accusations and lies, where is your evidence that ….sick guy? You were told that I obviously have no need for any so called sock puppets. What a MORON.

  • That would clearly qualify you are being seriously twisted and deranged. And you just simply continue to admit to it.

  • So then if you are not drinking or smoking something, then that is actually how your mind normally operates. That is obviously not a good commentary for you . And, I have shills? Where? Such levels of idiotic stupidity. I don’t even know anyone else here that typically posts from the vaccine truth side of it; I can assure you.

  • Wow, Zblorgon, you are delusional and as well beyond dumb and sick too!

  • Of course you have shills, it’s beyond obvious and as well plain to everybody! You’re sick and twisted for denying it, Zblorgon!

  • You are sick and twisted for even implying it. Who are they, go ahead and name them? Lets see how foolish your answer can get.

  • So what is Zblorgon, and how would I have any knowledge at all of that stupid garbage?

  • How about some proof for your false accusation that I’m a shill, Lowell? You lied that you have proof. Where is it?

  • Jesus baby

    Wow, between you and your sock puppet account I think that’s 22 dodges to a simple question! Why are you afraid to explain how my asking Aangel (or anyone) which vaccines he recommends is an attack?

  • So which one are you, Ken S., or Jesus baby? Perhaps you are twins.

  • You admitted to far more than that. And I am certainly not re-posting your sick posts.

  • Jesus baby

    It’s obviously you by the sentence structure. Like I said yours is uniquely abnormal. It’s also a brand new account with only 2 posts, both taking your side. It’s you, big boy.

  • Wow, you’re like a shark when it comes to lying, aren’t you. Stop lying for even a moment and you’ll croak!

  • Again, the only one lying here is you and J baby.

  • No its not, because that person was not me, idiot. It was you.

  • Jesus baby

    That’s 23 Lowell/tripnasty84! And the other day you accused me of being kfunk so get your conspiracy theories straight old man!

  • So what sock puppet account did you create and as to what Ken S just stated?

  • Is that why you crawl away every time you’re challenged to back up your lies?

  • Jesus baby

    Maybe it was aliens Lowell/tripnasty84! The same ones that put Morgellons fibers in chemtrails!

  • Jesus baby

    Try that again in English please Lowell/trtipnasty84.

  • That is in direct English. So what is wrong with your reading comprehension?

  • Just admit that you created the said tripnasty84 acct.

  • The actual snake crawling away is you.

  • Well, what is to say that you aren’t posting under 3 character names, or more?

  • That’s odd. You keep claiming to have proof against me, but every time I ask to see it, you have some excuse for not showing it. I keep asking, and you keep coming up with reasons why you can’t back up your false accusations. You’re desperately crawling away from me on your belly like the worm you are.

  • Falsely antagonizing me, will not change the truth. You know, and I know. You are done wasting my time as to that issue.

  • I know that you are a liar. I’m antagonizing you because you are a bogus fraud making false accusations against me, then squirming away without backing them up. You’re a pathetic coward.

  • Lie about it all you want. You have wasted enough of my time.

  • No, I’m going to keep calling you out on your false accusations and dishonesty, you filthy worm.

  • He’s a fun little toy, isn’t he?

  • Jesus baby

    “So what sock puppet account did you create and as to what Ken S just stated?”
    Well you’ll need to reword it then and include whatever quotes you have Lowell/tripnasty84.

  • Jesus baby

    Desperate times call for desperate measures, don’t they Lowell/tripnasty84?

  • Jesus baby

    Because I’m not the one who gets owned all day on Vactruth, Lowell/tripnasty84. That’d be you, big boy.

  • Jesus baby

    He’s low hanging fruit but entertaining.

  • Jesus baby

    AutismTroll

  • In your delusions you think you own everyone that posts here, and from the vaccine truth side of the tracks. In fact you have never owned anyone here that has posted, ever. You can’t even begin to address the actual vaccine issues, and you never have. All you do is falsely antagonize, and only further attempt to create only more disruption and distraction.

    I do what I do here and elsewhere, for the infants and children. I do it for the parents who have never read of or realized the vaccine truth. I do not want to read of one more vaccine injured child, or one more vaccine caused dead infant, and where the parents then wake up and start doing the independent research; being it however to late for their child. I do it to as well warn young people and their parents of the very real risks of injecting Gardasil. I do it to spread across the board awareness, and in hopefully saving one child at a time, from the horrendous number of vaccine sand doses on the current CDC vaccine schedule.

    When I was a child there were 5 vaccines and no more than about 10 shots, with the boosters. Look at what exists today. All of this as well has taken place the majority of that increase in the said schedule, now after the 1987 enactment of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) – HRSA. Since that time all pharmaceutical vaccine developers and manufacturers and as well any and all providers of those vaccines, have been given complete legal immunity from any lawsuits for vaccine injury and resulting death. All of it now falls on an existing the odds stacked against the parents and individuals filing, corrupt court system known as the federal vaccine court. That is why I am here and have been here for the time that I have been.

    Now tell me so called Jesus baby, why are you really here? Lets see if you can actually get honest about that?

  • As I said, obviously the real desperation going on is all your own. And you just on wasting my time.

  • No, he said you created a sock puppet account. You better get on it. It is not my responsibility to post his posts for you and nor to interpret whatever nonsense exists in them.

  • AutismDadd

    Just can’t stop can you?

  • So you are now claim this is all coincidence and without any direct meaning whatsoever. Camouflaged as some sort of crazed alien message. You and J baby are doing nothing but playing games. I really could care less, sick people like you, mean nothing to me.

    Ken S. Lowell Hubbs • 25 minutes ago
    Why don’t you just give up and go back to your own planet, loser? Your cover’s been blown and I’m not here to let some bug-eyed space creep interrogate me. You’re on our planet, lumpy. We call the shots around here.
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    Lowell Hubbs Ken S. • 14 minutes ago
    What cover? Who is we? And what planet do you think you are on? You don’t call the shots on anything, and never will.
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    Ken S. Lowell Hubbs • 3 minutes ago
    Keep pretending you don’t know, I’m sure that’ll work out for you, NOT!!
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    Lowell Hubbs Ken S. • in a few seconds
    Know what? You seem to be producing another threat? Be man and just say it.

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/vactruth/13_year_old_boy_permanently_disabled_from_chicken_pox_vaccine_wins_his_case_in_vaccine_court/#comment-3090004850

    Ken S. Lowell Hubbs • 2 minutes ago
    Here’s a threat for you: If you and your bug-eyed buddies don’t come in peace, you’ll wish you never even heard of Earth. You lay one slimy tentacle on us, and we’ll have you boys high-tailing it to the Oort Cloud just to get away from the thunder we bring.

    EARTH BELONGS TO EARTHLINGS!

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/vactruth/13_year_old_boy_permanently_disabled_from_chicken_pox_vaccine_wins_his_case_in_vaccine_court/#comment-3090013483

  • What “coincidence” are you talking about? You constantly lie and make baseless false accusations, so I decided to accuse you of being a purple alien from Neptune. You’ll see the proof soon enough.

  • “LOL” You make for a serious example of lying and delusional behavior that should be used as a direct example in the DSM diagnosis manual. DSM-IV.

    Who is the real coward?

  • You are. You’re a delusional liar. DSM-IV is outdated, by the way.

  • Doesn’t matter, the DSM still exists, and you should be in it; in the specific examples section. DSM-5. Examples of lying and delusional behavior, delusional lying behavior, with strongly hypocritical tendencies, and with no sense of actual reality.

  • Neat! When are you gonna get around to proving your false accusations against me?

  • Oh no, there is far more to it than that. You know it, and I know it. Just stop your lying; we both know exactly what you were talking about. Are you now chickening out on your threats?

  • They’re not threats, they’re promises of what will happen if you Neptunian creeps attack Earth.

  • Its already obvious. It is well known that people like you are always in denial of what really goes on with them. Everyone else can see it, but you.

  • Oh, the “I know it, you know it, everybody knows it” proof. Wow, I guess you got me good! There’s no beating airtight proof like that!

  • No hidden meaning found here at all, nope.

    Ken S. Lowell Hubbs • 25 minutes ago
    Why don’t you just give up and go back to your own planet, loser? Your cover’s been blown and I’m not here to let some bug-eyed space creep interrogate me. You’re on our planet, lumpy. We call the shots around here.
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    Lowell Hubbs Ken S. • 14 minutes ago
    What cover? Who is we? And what planet do you think you are on? You don’t call the shots on anything, and never will.
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    Ken S. Lowell Hubbs • 3 minutes ago
    Keep pretending you don’t know, I’m sure that’ll work out for you, NOT!!
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    Lowell Hubbs Ken S. • in a few seconds
    Know what? You seem to be producing another threat? Be man and just say it.

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/vactruth/13_year_old_boy_permanently_disabled_from_chicken_pox_vaccine_wins_his_case_in_vaccine_court/#comment-3090004850

    Ken S. Lowell Hubbs • 2 minutes ago
    Here’s a threat for you: If you and your bug-eyed buddies don’t come in peace, you’ll wish you never even heard of Earth. You lay one slimy tentacle on us, and we’ll have you boys high-tailing it to the Oort Cloud just to get away from the thunder we bring.

    EARTH BELONGS TO EARTHLINGS!

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/vactruth/13_year_old_boy_permanently_disabled_from_chicken_pox_vaccine_wins_his_case_in_vaccine_court/#comment-3090013483

  • As to your scenario, they already did. And those are and were, your direct threats. You can lie about it all you want. I am not wasting any more time with your BS. It is what it is.

  • What do you think the hidden meaning is?

    I think the hidden meaning is that I’m making fun of you for being a liar who constantly makes false accusations you can’t back up.

  • What scenario? Are you saying aliens from Neptune have attacked Earth? Are you admitting that you’re from Neptune?

  • Just more evasion of and from the issue. No use arguing as it will never get anywhere beyond your level of twisted denial.

  • How can I even evade you when you keep making confusing statements, making vague excuses for never explaining them, and squirming away just to do it again? You’re the one evading me, Lowell. Every time you’re asked a question, you do the exact same thing.

  • Jesus baby

    I’m here to prevent VPDs and to own Neanderthals like you Lowell/tripnasty84, and I don’t have to resort to sock puppet accounts to do it.

  • Jesus baby

    When were you leaving Vactruth again, Lowell/tripnasty84? Looks like you were just talking out of your a$$ again.

  • Jesus baby

    Just keep making [email protected] up all day, don’t you Lowell/tripnasty84?

  • Jesus baby

    That’s what we’ll call you.

  • Why are you making up lies about things I did not say?

  • Oh, wow. I think he’s claiming that my sarcastic question in https://disqus.com/home/discussion/vactruth/13_year_old_boy_permanently_disabled_from_chicken_pox_vaccine_wins_his_case_in_vaccine_court/#comment-3107355362 was actually a statement. What a nutjob.

  • The truth is right there. Why are you as well evading this question?

    I do what I do here and elsewhere, for the infants and children. I do it for the parents who have never read of or realized the vaccine truth. I do not want to read of one more vaccine injured child, or one more vaccine caused dead infant, and where the parents then wake up and start doing the independent research; being it however to late for their child. I do it to as well warn young people and their parents of the very real risks of injecting Gardasil. I do it to spread across the board awareness, and in hopefully saving one child at a time, from the horrendous number of vaccine sand doses on the current CDC vaccine schedule.

    When I was a child there were 5 vaccines and no more than about 10 shots, with the boosters. Look at what exists today. All of this as well has taken place the majority of that increase in the said schedule, now after the 1987 enactment of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) – HRSA. Since that time all pharmaceutical vaccine developers and manufacturers and as well any and all providers of those vaccines, have been given complete legal immunity from any lawsuits for vaccine injury and resulting death. All of it now falls on an existing the odds stacked against the parents and individuals filing, corrupt court system known as the federal vaccine court. That is why I am here and have been here for the time that I have been.

    Now tell me, if you aren’t actually a paid pro-vax shill; why are you really here? Detail your answer specifically?

  • So stop evading this question.

    I do what I do here and elsewhere, for the infants and children. I do it for the parents who have never read of or realized the vaccine truth. I do not want to read of one more vaccine injured child, or one more vaccine caused dead infant, and where the parents then wake up and start doing the independent research; being it however to late for their child. I do it to as well warn young people and their parents of the very real risks of injecting Gardasil. I do it to spread across the board awareness, and in hopefully saving one child at a time, from the horrendous number of vaccine sand doses on the current CDC vaccine schedule.
    When I was a child there were 5 vaccines and no more than about 10 shots, with the boosters. Look at what exists today. All of this as well has taken place the majority of that increase in the said schedule, now after the 1987 enactment of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) – HRSA. Since that time all pharmaceutical vaccine developers and manufacturers and as well any and all providers of those vaccines, have been given complete legal immunity from any lawsuits for vaccine injury and resulting death. All of it now falls on an existing the odds stacked against the parents and individuals filing, corrupt court system known as the federal vaccine court. That is why I am here and have been here for the time that I have been.

    Now tell me, if you aren’t actually a paid pro-vax shill; why are you really here? Detail your answer specifically?

  • You’ll see.

  • You are absolutely not here to prevent VPD’s. That is only what the funder claims to be and tells you to claim to. You are nothing of the sort. Do you not think that the CDC has a responsibility to come clean about the truth, and the very real risk of vaccines?

  • There was nothing vague about it, and everything is always directly stated. You are nothing but a half cocked and spewing nothing but repeated bullshit …deceptive liar.

  • AutismDadd

    Go suck your….thumb

  • Now tell me, if you aren’t actually a paid pro-vax shill; why are you really here? Detail your answer specifically?

    You’ll see…

  • Jesus baby

    Wait Lowell/tripnasty84, before you invoke your “funder” conspiracy you need to prove there is one. All you seem to have on the subject is bull$hit.

  • Jesus baby

    Why is everything with you “you’ll see”? Like when you’re leaving, the “funder” thing, etc. You just gonna bull$hit your remaining years away?

  • Jesus baby

    He’s just trying to hold on to something I guess.

  • Jesus baby

    Hey Lowell, tripnasty84 has only made 2 posts still! I wonder why?