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A 7-Pound Premature Baby Died After Receiving 8 Vaccine Doses, Her Death Was Blamed On Co-Sleeping Instead Of The Toxic Vaccines

In Louisiana, another infant has died following routine vaccinations. Aysia Hope Clark was born nearly a month and a half premature. When she was six weeks old, her doctor detected a heart murmur. He then had the nurse administer eight vaccine doses into her tiny little body.

Ten days later, which is a critical time children die from vaccine-related injuries, Aysia stopped breathing, her heart stopped beating and she died while sleeping on her mother’s arm. [1,2]

The pathologist’s opinion was that Aysia died from positional asphyxiation related to co-sleeping and being born prematurely, without having to prove this is what she died from. There was no mention on her autopsy report that she had been recently vaccinated.

Aysia’s parents, Hope Doucet and Joseph Clark, were informed the burden of proof was shifted onto them, to prove Aysia died from the vaccines and that it would be nearly impossible to receive any compensation from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

In the State of Louisiana, three types of vaccine exemptions are offered for children to go to school unvaccinated: medical, religious and philosophical. This family will no longer vaccinate after losing their baby and learning they are the ones held responsible when the vaccines harm. [3]

Hope is now well aware that vaccinations are the hidden cause of infant mortality, after witnessing her own daughter’s death get covered up. She courageously shares her true story about what happened to her daughter, in hopes to help educate other parents about the importance of researching vaccines before blindly trusting what the doctor tells you.

Welcome to the World Aysia, Now it’s Time to Inject You

Aysia Hope Clark was born six weeks premature on May 11, 2015. She was born in Louisiana at the Lafayette General Medical Center off Coolidge Boulevard. Upon examination, she had no heart murmur detected at birth.

Her little five pound body was then injected with the synthetic vitamin k shot, Phytonadione, which contains the neurotoxin aluminum and can increase the severity of jaundice, leading to newborns having longer hospital stays. This shot can be so dangerous, even causing death in infants, that it gets a black-box warning at the top of its package insert. [4]

The next evening, on May 12, 2015, without regard to her prematurity and the fact Aysia was not at risk of contracting hepatitis B, she was injected with the Recombivax hepatitis B vaccine.

Newborn Aysia received the same dose given to 19 year-old adults, which contains 250 micrograms of aluminum and is associated with many health risks, including breathing and heart problems, especially in babies born prematurely. [5]

The following morning, when Aysia’s mother went to take a shower, the nurse noticed Aysia stopped breathing in the nursery and began turning blue. She immediately blew in Aysia’s face, helping her recover.

It wasn’t until later that same day, just before being discharged, that the nurse told Aysia’s mother what happened and said this episode scared her.

This serious event was not noted in Aysia’s medical records and no one informed Hope this should be a contraindication to her daughter receiving future vaccinations.

After her hospital stay, Aysia had jaundice issues, indicating that her liver was immature and likely harmed further from the injections she received.

Aysia’s mother had to take Aysia to visit the doctor every week to get her checked out. The doctor told Hope that Aysia may need to be re-admitted to the hospital for her jaundice but Hope didn’t want to have to go back to the hospital, so she put Aysia in the sunlight in the window, to naturally help her.

On June 24, 2015, when Aysia was six weeks old, the pediatrician detected a heart murmur. The doctor was concerned enough about the heart murmur that he scheduled a referral appointment three weeks out, to have the heart murmur investigated further. Then he insisted it was time for Aysia, who weighed 7 pounds 6 ounces at the time, to get vaccinated.

There were still concerns about Aysia’s neonatal jaundice at this time. Having jaundice indicates the liver isn’t able to perform its duties fully. Vaccinating a baby with an immature liver, which is needed to filter one’s blood and detox the body efficiently from the ingredients in the vaccines, increases the child’s chance of suffering a vaccine-related injury, including death.

Hope was not informed it was safer to space out the shots, that it was safer for her premature baby to have the vaccines postponed, that it was important to make sure Aysia was fully hydrated at the time of vaccination and to supplement Aysia with vitamin C near the time she received the vaccines, to help prevent a more severe vaccine injury. [6]

Instead of postponing the vaccines in her premature body, the pediatrician instructed the nurse to administer the routine eight vaccine doses for diphtheria, tetanus, & acellular pertussis, HiB, polio, hepatitis B, pneumococcal, and the oral rotavirus vaccine into Aysia, which is what the CDC recommends for two month-old babies to receive, even if born premature. [7]

Aysia’s mother was concerned about her baby getting vaccinated with a heart murmur and jaundice issues she had been having, but her concerns were not enough to stop the doctor from insisting it was safe to vaccinate Aysia.

Hope then stood there and watched the nurse vaccinate her daughter, believing this was safe to do. Aysia cried as the stinging solutions raced through her body, each time she was poked with numerous needles and the contents in the syringe were pushed through. Aysia felt uncomfortable when the nurse forced her to swallow the oral Rotavirus vaccine.

This was all done to give Aysia’s parents and the public a false sense of protection, considering no vaccine is guaranteed safe or effective. The doctor also didn’t advise Hope that studies have not been done to prove it’s safe to inject all of these vaccines together.

The image shared next is a copy of Aysia’s actual vaccine record from that appointment, to prove Aysia was vaccinated prematurely with eight vaccine doses after a new heart murmur was detected, while Aysia still had jaundice concerns.

Aysia Hope Clark’s vaccine record proving she received eight vaccine doses.

The Pediatrician Advised Hope to Give Aysia Tylenol After Vaccination

The doctor didn’t advise Hope to give Aysia vitamin C supplements, to put an ice pack on the sites of injection to lessen a reaction from the vaccines, offer small amounts of baking soda to lessen her toxic load injected into her, keep her hydrated and give her more nutritional formula to counteract damages triggered by Aysia’s immune system being put in overdrive. [8]

Instead, the doctor advised Hope to give her daughter Tylenol to ease her discomfort, which was done that day, because her legs were so small, they would hurt after all the shots were given. So her mother gave her Tylenol. He also told Hope to pay attention if Aysia’s lips started turning blue and to seek emergency help if this happens.

Hope was not told by the pediatrician that giving Tylenol can be dangerous because it would help deplete Aysia’s cellular glutathione levels, an antioxidant needed to detox her body from what was in the vaccines. [9]

After the vaccines, Aysia was not eating the same anymore. She was crying excessively and fussier than she had ever been, but Hope was told this is a normal reaction to the vaccines and not to worry. The CDC’s vaccine information sheets given out in the doctor’s office advise of these reactions and consider them associated risks. [10]

Hope called the pediatrician to tell him Aysia wasn’t eating. At the previous appointment, the pediatrician advised Hope to switch Aysia’s formula to a different kind. Hope asked if she could put her back on the original formula she would drink and he said no, that if she got hungry enough, she would eat the new formula.

Hope didn’t want her baby to go hungry so she put Aysia back on the old formula anyways because she wasn’t going to let her starve. At the time, she assumed that all these reactions were common because that’s what doctors have told her.

These reactions continued and about a week later, Aysia began having foul breath. A smell from her was coming out that her parents hadn’t noticed before. Other parents have reported this strange breath after vaccination, describing the smell as bad lunchmeat. This change in her body odor may have indicated an immune response triggered by the vaccines. Although more research needs to be done, Hope was not made aware the foul breath her daughter developed after vaccination can be a sign of something more serious. [11]

On the ninth day after the vaccines, Aysia was still not her normal self and she developed a fever. Hope gave her the lowest dose of Tylenol around eleven o’clock that night and tried to get her to rest.

Aysia was not going to sleep in her bassinet, she just wanted to be held, and so her mother cradled her on the bed, to help her rest. Aysia was comforted and fell asleep on her mother’s arm, facing up. Hope had no idea her daughter was slowly dying and that giving further Tylenol could contribute to this faster.

Sweet Baby Aysia Never Woke Up

While Aysia was resting on her mother’s arm, her father, Joseph Clark, didn’t notice anything unusual when he awoke around 5:30 AM. About ten minutes later, he noticed Aysia had blood coming out of her nose.

Hope was awakened and she noticed right away her baby had red colored mucus coming out of her nose and mouth. She knew something was wrong and immediately called 911.

Both parents started performing CPR on Aysia. Hope was breathing in Aysia’s mouth while Joseph was giving compressions. They continued until emergency responders rushed over and continued CPR efforts.

Hope could feel the mucus bubbling in her mouth when she did CPR on her daughter. This has engrained a memory in her head she cannot forget.

Aysia was not responding. Medical staff tried to get Aysia’s heart beating again and her blood flowing again, by giving her epinephrine through a tibial intraosseous catheter in both legs, located below Aysia’s knees, according to her records. The needle has to painfully penetrate the bone to allow the epinephrine to enter the bone marrow.

Aysia was then given more epinephrine through an IV in her foot. This is commonly done in patients who have suffered cardiac arrest, in hopes to bring them back to life.

Research has shown that epinephrine injections are not very effective and can cause brain damage. This common procedure done on vaccine-injured children who have ended up on life support is of major concern, since this contributes to a child being declared brain dead while on life support. Once declared brain dead, organs are considered for donation after the brain death diagnosis was given. [12]

At this point, less than one hour after Aysia stopped breathing at home, the Louisiana Organ Procurement Agency (LOPA) was contacted by the hospital, to see if Aysia’s organs were harvestable, which they were deemed not, due to her weight and age.

And the hospital chaplain was contacted; some hospitals hire chaplains to help get increased consent for organ donations. [13]

Aysia’s parents were never informed that behind the scenes, staff were already gearing up to take her organs, had Aysia met the right criteria. They found this out later on through Aysia’s medical records.

CPR continued during this epinephrine treatment. At 7:01 AM, CPR efforts were stopped and Aysia was pronounced dead, in the same hospital she was born in.

Aysia died on July 4, 2015, exactly ten days after receiving eight vaccine doses.

Two days later, she underwent an autopsy. She was being dissected while funeral arrangements were being made. After the funeral, Aysia was cremated. It wasn’t long before Aysia’s parents learned the vaccines killed her.

Other Mothers Told Hope They Lost Their Baby After Recent Vaccinations

Hope already sensed the vaccines were responsible because Aysia was never the same after she received those eight vaccine doses. Hope made the connection to vaccines after a friend she went to school with reached out to her and asked her if Aysia had recently been vaccinated. Hope said yes and her friend advised her she had lost her own young infant after the vaccines and the vaccines were not listed on her baby’s autopsy report or investigated.

Later on, Hope met another young mother who had lost her baby and when asked if the baby had received any vaccines shortly before, the mother said yes. Hope then suggested to her to research the vaccines as well.

Then a grandmother Hope knows came forward who advised her grandchild died at nine weeks old, within a week following the two month vaccines.

There is also Christy Day, whose story was published recently through VacTruth, whose baby died after the two month vaccine doses in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and the vaccines were ignored on her baby’s autopsy report. [14]

This research reveals five infants in recent times who were taken to different pediatricians near the same hometown of Lafayette that died shortly after receiving vaccines. All of their deaths involved vaccines but the vaccines were not investigated.

Aysia’s parents will never get to hold their baby again in this life and a part of them died when their baby did. They have to live with their regretful decision to vaccinate. The pictures below were taken at Aysia’s funeral.

Hope Doucet and Joseph Clark hold on to their daughter one last time.

Hope Was Denied Her Daughter’s Vaccine Medical Records After Aysia Died

When Hope learned she needed a copy of her daughter’s vaccine record to file a claim with the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, she contacted the pediatrician’s office to get a copy of her daughter’s medical records. The doctor only provided Hope with a list of the vaccines Aysia was given, without additional information.

When Hope asked about the vaccine lot numbers and said that she wanted more information, she was told the doctor’s office doesn’t have anything to do with that information and that she needed to call the Health and Hospitals Department for further help.

Hope made that call and was advised that the doctor’s office was incorrect and that the doctor has to have this information on file, because the doctor is the one that ordered the vaccines. Hope was told this department does not have that information.

The struggle continued for Hope to get this information denied from her daughter’s pediatrician. Hope called the doctor’s office numerous times and advised them that they were legally required to record this vaccine information and that the doctor is obligated to provide her with that upon request.

Weeks later, a copy of Aysia’s medical records arrived in the mail, containing the information asked for, excluding the site of injection information.

Hope learned health care providers administering vaccines covered by the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act are required to document the site of injection, but this was not recorded. [15]

In June 2016, a vaccine injury attorney reviewed Aysia’s case. He told Hope the burden was put on them to prove the vaccines caused Aysia’s death and that it was too hard to prove these cases. Special Masters in the vaccine court rarely award compensation for deaths involving vaccines, to avoid opening a Pandora’s box.

The attorney would not proceed with the case but did get a full copy of Aysia’s medical records and sent them to Hope.

Concerns Arose About Illegal Vaccine Administration

In the full set of medical records the vaccine injury attorney received, the doctor or nurse never recorded the site of injection information. We are left to wonder what motive a vaccine administrator would have to avoid noting the site of injection when vaccinating their patient.

Aysia’s hand-written vaccine record brought up a major concern because Hope remembered her daughter getting injected 3 times by one nurse and receiving one oral vaccine. Hope remembered Aysia received one shot in each leg and a shot in one arm. Hope and her close friend witnessed Aysia leave the doctor’s office with three neon band-aids on her body. Aysia had one band-aid on each of her thighs and a band-aid on one arm, totaling three band-aids. However, Aysia’s record claimed she had received five injections and one oral vaccine.

This is a serious violation if the nurse combined vaccines designed to be given separately into one needle, because they are not allowed to be given this way. Vaccine combination shots pre-purchased and already mixed from the manufacturer have the same lot number for each component. The DTaP vaccine and two others should have shown the same lot number but didn’t.

Aysia’s records showed she received individual vaccines, except for DTaP, but this would not be possible if she were only given three injections.

Viewing the site of administration would have been helpful to confirm how the vaccines were truly administered, but this information was not recorded, so one cannot confirm.

Unless Hope didn’t remember correctly what she saw her daughter get injected with, and three band-aids were used for five injection sites, this information would indicate a vaccine combination was given illegally and off the table.

Hope contacted the doctor’s office numerous times about this. Staff told her this is common, that nurses don’t usually note that information. This is strange because health care providers should always note where a vaccine is given on the body, to properly report any vaccine reaction that occurs.

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 also requires health care providers to report adverse vaccine reactions to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). Aysia’s doctor never reported anything to VAERS, not even her death, which he should have, whether or not he feels it was caused by the vaccines. [16]

The image below shows proof that the nurse did not write down the site of injection information.

Aysia Hope Clark’s Vaccine Record

The Vaccines Were Completely Ignored On Aysia’s Autopsy Report

On Aysia’s entire report, there was no mention of the vitamin k shot, the hepatitis B vaccine given at birth, or the eight vaccine doses she received ten days prior.

The pathologist reported, due to Aysia’s prematurity and co-sleeping, she was likely unable to self-rescue and was more vulnerable to the effects of positional asphyxiation and for these reasons, the prematurity should be considered as a contributing factor in her death.

The pathologist stated Aysia’s lungs were congested at the time she passed away. Her back showed livor mortis, indicating she passed away while lying on her back. Co-sleeping does not cause lung and other organ congestion, but vaccines can. [17]

Aysia’s toxicology report after she died came back negative. A set of specific drugs are tested for, but not the toxic chemicals in vaccines.

There was no consideration given to the fact that Aysia was vaccinated prematurely with a heart murmur and jaundice issues, all of which can contribute to breathing and heart problems.

Nor was it mentioned how Aysia reacted from the most recent eight vaccine doses. She stopped eating the same, was crying excessively and fussier more than usual. These things are associated risks noted on the vaccine package inserts.

The fever Aysia had hours before she died was not recorded, nor was the Tylenol she was given the day she received all of these vaccines and again hours before she passed away.

In a comment, the pathologist did find it important enough to note a prescribed drug Hope was advised to take while pregnant with Aysia, by her doctor, but didn’t feel it was important enough to mention what Aysia was injected with directly.

Aysia’s mother Hope was in the performing arts for many years while growing up. She began dancing at a young age and during high school, her active lifestyle led to some injuries. After suffering from migraines and back pain around the age of 15, Hope sought help from her doctor.

Hope was told the only way to help her was to take prescription medications to ease the pain, if she didn’t want give up dancing. As a young teenager, Hope did not want to give up dancing, so her doctor prescribed four drugs for her to take, Lortab®, Xanax®, Soma® and Stadol®.

Some of these are opiate-containing narcotic pain relievers. After a couple years of being on these medications, Hope, like many others, got addicted.

This addiction to opiates lasted into adulthood, which started from taking those prescribed medications as a teenager. After a while, Hope wanted help to quit. She sought help and was prescribed Suboxone®.

When she got pregnant with Aysia, her doctor switched her from Suboxone to Subutex®, which is an opioid pain medication that one can still get addicted to.

Hope was closely monitored throughout her pregnancy and advised it was important she keep taking the Subutex, rather than stop taking this and risk relapsing during pregnancy. Hope took a low dose during her pregnancy, to lessen any effect this might have on her developing baby.

After Aysia was born, Aysia’s meconium tested positive for Suboxone, but her urine did not. Hope was taking Subutex during her pregnancy, not Suboxone, but the test detects the same main ingredient used in both drugs. Hospital staff monitored Aysia for withdrawal symptoms but didn’t notice any. Aysia was never placed in the NICU and was discharged two days after she was born, after no signs of withdrawal were witnessed.

The pathologist felt the need to write that Aysia was born positive for Suboxone but failed to mention only the meconium tested positive, not Aysia’s urine.

Aysia’s parents were not satisfied because the pathologist clearly ignored any mention of the eight vaccine doses their daughter recently received while trying to put blame on them for co-sleeping.

Hope asked a vaccine injury attorney, if Aysia truly died from positional asphyxia, why didn’t Aysia have popped blood vessels in her eyes and mouth? The autopsy showed completely clear.

He said, sadly because they claimed Aysia’s death was due to co-sleeping, they only look for signs of foul play and if that’s not found, they don’t look for anything else, meaning there was no desire to investigate the vaccines.

From there, parents are usually left with the burden of having to prove the vaccines caused their child’s injury.

Aysia Clark’s autopsy report findings, listing the opinion of the pathologist.

The Pathologist Could Have Helped Prove Aysia Died From the Vaccines

Babies in the US are receiving many vaccines, even when born prematurely. Numerous studies have proven the more vaccines an infant receives, especially in premature babies like Aysia, can increases their risk of suddenly dying, but trained pathologists investigating these infant deaths tend not to investigate the vaccines a child recently received before they died. [18,19]

Certain tests should have been done to help prove the vaccines contributed to Aysia’s death. A Parent’s Guide: What to do if Your Child Dies After Vaccination was written to help pathologists learn what to look for when performing autopsies on people recently vaccinated. [20,21]

Also ignored were the known vaccine risk factors involving infant deaths, following vaccinations.

“Data clearly shows that vaccination caused an extraordinary increase in episodes where breathing either nearly ceased or stopped completely. These episodes continued for months following vaccinations. Dr. Viera Scheibner, the author of the study, concluded that “vaccination is the single most prevalent and most preventable cause of infant deaths.” [22]

These listed ingredients in the eight vaccine doses Aysia received ten days before she died were ignored, as were all of the associated risks with each vaccine. There was no mention that there have been no basic scientific studies to prove it is safe to inject all of these vaccines together in one visit.

The official vaccine package inserts to the eight vaccine doses Aysia received detail these ingredients shown in the image below. [23-28]

To say co-sleeping was a contributing factor in Aysia’s death and not the vaccines is absurd. You don’t have to be a doctor to use common sense and recognize the dangers of injecting all of this into a tiny seven pound premature infant.

Official ingredients listed in the eight vaccines Aysia received before she died ten days later.

Aysia’s Mother Speaks Out About Her Daughter’s Tragedy

Hope Doucet shares memories of her daughter Aysia. She writes,

“After what happened and how we were treated, I’ve lost faith in the medical community and pediatricians giving vaccines. If these shots are so safe, why are they killing our babies?

I want to thank everyone for all the support and it’s not just me; those of you who have had children who have had vaccine reactions, whether life-threatening or infant loss, all need support. We know our kids better than anyone else.

I want people to know how to recognize vaccine reactions and that if your baby starts sleeping a lot, gets fussier more than usual and stops eating, seek help immediately, as these are all important signs your child may be suffering a severe vaccine injury. Giving Tylenol after vaccinations is also dangerous.

When this first happened, I spoke to the coroner who told me he doesn’t believe in SIDS and preliminary ruled Aysia’s cause of death as positional asphyxiation.

I then went to the doctor a couple days after Aysia’s funeral and asked to speak to the doctor because I had questions concerning my child’s death. He told me he didn’t have time that day and I could come back a week later.

I went ahead and asked him if it was the shots and them being given two weeks early, he said no. I also asked him if he believed in SIDS; he said yes. I told him what the coroner said; he said he needs to stop telling people that SIDS doesn’t exist.

He also said in all his 20 years of practice, no mom has ever wanted to consult with him after losing a child. That was very strange to me. I want questions answered; why didn’t other mothers talk with him? And I still wonder how many deaths he has had in his practice.

I agree every medicine has side effects and that you have to weigh the pros and cons, but for those who say they administer vaccines and have never lost a baby due to vaccines, I’m sure you have lost a few patients before, at some point in time, but they are not going to put cause of death is from the shots. So how can you say the cause of death was right for those babies and they didn’t die from the shots? There are scientific studies done on this and the data clearly shows otherwise.

I want Aysia’s death certificate changed and I want to be the first one in Louisiana that has vaccines listed as the cause of death.

The whole conspiracy with the FDA who are approving the drugs, the doctors who are saying they are safe and coroners who are covering up the truth with some bogus cause of death that is for us to believe about our children, this has to stop! We as parents know what our children’s different behaviors are and we all need to get the word out.

No amount of money will bring our babies back. The money awarded to parents when their child gets injured from any vaccine is nothing compared to what we lose. It’s the only recourse parents have. We parents learn the majority of claims are denied but we won’t give up.

I was telling my story to a couple that is having a baby because I want parents to do research before they make the decision to vaccinate their child and he went off on me. He cursed me out and told me it was not appropriate for me to say this to them. I said no, what’s not appropriate is my baby dying after having vaccines.

My other daughter’s pediatrician has refused to see her since we’ve declined to vaccinate further. You do not have to get your child vaccinated. Parents need to research vaccine exemptions. When you file, you do not have to specify a reason why.

As I sit here and look at pictures of my baby Aysia, my heart melts. I just want to hold her. I would give my last breath to have her here with me.

My purpose for this story is to tell mothers and fathers to just simply do the research, and then make your decision whether to vaccinate your child. When it comes down to it, it’s better to be safe than sorry, because you don’t get them back if they die from the vaccines. Our family will never vaccinate again.

RIP, my sweet baby Aysia. We love you and don’t understand it now, but someday we will and I will see you again.

All I can do is keep memories of her and love and remember her. I know Aysia is serving a bigger purpose now than I will ever understand. Fly high, my baby girl. Oh, my god, I’m so broken.”

Conclusion

Medical examiners are putting the blame on parents for co-sleeping, while completely ignoring the vaccines given to the child hours or days before, when investigating these infant deaths. They will also relate an infant’s death to poisoning of the body due to something the child ingested or inhaled, but not from the poisons injected through the vaccines. [29]

In the state of Louisiana, health officials have been applauded for having fairly high vaccination rates, but at the same time, Louisiana has consistently been ranked one of the worst states in the nation for having high infant mortality rates, but nowhere in the Louisiana infant mortality data are vaccines mentioned or how many of these babies died after recent vaccinations. [30]

One can read actual published statistics proving how common it is for babies’ sleeping position to be blamed on their death, rather than the vaccines they received:

“2012-2013 data shows 54.6% of Louisiana infant deaths were looked at. The results; “Within natural and accidental deaths reviewed, causes of death included asphyxia, SIDS, pneumonia, infections, fatal weapon injuries, motor vehicle accidents (MVAs), drowning and falls. Unsafe sleep was a frequent factor among SUIDs reviewed. A total of 72.6 percent of SUIDs reviewed occurred in an unsafe sleep environment, with 58.9 percent occurring in an adult bed and 13.7 percent occurring in a couch or chair. Sleep position was also identified as a risk factor, with 28.4 percent of SUIDs reviewed reportedly put to sleep on their stomachs.” [31]

For every white infant dying in Louisiana, two black infants are dying. Aysia was one of them. Her genetics and prematurity made her more susceptible to becoming vaccine injured. A child’s genetic susceptibility to severe vaccine injuries is not considered when parents take their babies in for the shots. [32]

Doctors given monetary incentives to vaccinate as many of their patients on the CDC schedule is one main reason why they turn away unvaccinated patients. It’s about the money, not the health of your child. [33]

Aysia’s siblings have greatly been affected by what happened to their baby sister. These children are left grieving in their own way and they will grow up not vaccinating their future children.

If those making and mandating vaccines actually care about the health of children, they wouldn’t want the children injected with the harmful substances in these vaccines. They could at least teach doctors and those administering vaccines to screen their patients before vaccinating them and hold off giving vaccines to premature babies.

You can’t say you want to protect those vulnerable to diseases when you don’t want to protect those vulnerable to a vaccine injury. If you protect one, you must protect the other. This is why parents and all people must have a choice whether they want to get vaccinated or not.

We will always remember Aysia and how her life ended. Her parents grieve daily knowing nothing will bring her back. Sharing her story is what is important now, to prevent this from happening to another family.

Rest in Peace, Aysia Hope Clark

May 11, 2015 – July 4, 2015

Aysia passed away ten days after receiving eight harmful vaccine doses.

 

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  32. http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/06/060202.sids.shtml
  33. http://whale.to/c/2016-BCN-BCBSM-Incentive-Program-Booklet.pdf (page 15)
Augustina Ursino
 

Augustina Ursino has spent many years researching vaccine ingredients and vaccine reactions. Once she became aware of so many children and adults dying after vaccinations and that most people that survived them are living with vaccine injuries, this impelled her to write these stories. She earned a BS in Marine Biology, focusing on conservation biology and realized it didn’t make sense to inject life forms with the ingredients used in vaccines, under the guise of keeping us healthy. Augustina now writes for VacTruth and continues to help families negatively affected from vaccines.

  • CAsaxman

    My heart bleeds whenever I come upon stories like this. The pure INSANITY of this whole program to force inoculate the population, especially our babies, throws me into a dreamlike state; I totally see what is really happening but the pure EVIL that is behind it is almost incomprehensible. But I have to acquiesce to the fact that this EVIL exists and we that are AWAKE to this atrocity MUST spread the word of truth regarding this genocidal attempt to denigrate the population. It is MORE than Big Pharma profiting monetarily from vaccines, it is an AGENDA to kill or disable the general population in order to control and dominate, the elitist globalist’s ultimate goal.

  • james ha

    nowhere in there is the doctor or nurse name given. i agree that vaccines are bad but the doctor and nurse should be blamed for this instance. how many other babies born by that doctor/nurse have died and blamed on “co-sleeping”

  • White Elk Clearwater

    If she had mentioned their names they would have sued her for it.

  • Medic

    $5 says the writer of this article doesn’t know why vitamin k is given, considering he thinks it’s a vaccine and doesn’t realize it’s a vitamin

  • Medic

    also Phytonadione doesn’t contain aluminum… but thanks for showing your ignorance

  • Jesus baby

    “There is also Christy Day, whose story was published recently through VacTruth, whose baby died after the two month vaccine doses in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and the vaccines were ignored on her baby’s autopsy report.”
    And rightly so. In both cases the infants stopped breathing while lying on top of their parents. It’s abhorrent how the writers here exploit these family tragedies for their anti-vax agenda.

  • Madeleine Innocent

    Doctors are so DESPERATE not to look the facts in the face. Why would anyone trust them?

  • Augustina

    Straight from the vitamin k package insert.

    WARNING: This product contains aluminum that may be toxic.

    page 3
    https://www.pfizerinjectables.com/sites/default/files/prod/child/uspi/EN-0538_1.pdf

  • Augustina

    You can think those toxic vaccines don’t have had anything to do with Aysia’s demise. Co-sleeping is natural and I’m sure your parents co-slept with you and your grandparents co-slept with your parents, and so on. But if you want to help cover up these deaths, it’s your choice. Parents know the vaccines killed their baby, despite what you or I or the medical examiner thinks. Don’t you find it odd that the burden of proof is shifted on the parents? It is horrible what these parents face and be thankful you are not in their shoes.

  • Johnny Canuck

    This is just heart-breaking and to make out that Woman was resposible for Aysia’s Death. How cruel can one get?

    My heart goes out to Hope, don’t blame yourself.

    If one can avoid Pharmaceuticals, please do so. Don’t get trapped on the pill treadmill.

  • June

    This is an irresponsible, ignorant and very poorly written article. The “years” this author has spent on google reading bias and non science based opinion stories is clearly evident. I have neither the time or energy to correct the extensive scientifically ignorant inaccuracies and non-evidence based statements The death of this poor babe is a tragedy, but attempting to manipulate it to support your views is abhorrent. Newborns are very susceptible to asphyxia in any position in which the chin is on chest, especially ex 35 weekers. This was the conclusion reached by the pathologist, and asphyxiation has very distinct findings. In this case it is clearly the most reasonable conclusion.

    This tragic case should be an education in safe sleeping practices. Co-sleeping can be safe if done properly on a firm mattress. A baby sleeping on a parents arm with chin to chest is not able to protect their airway. Furthermore any parent who has taken any amount of alcohol or drug (especially an opioid which sounds likely in this case) should never co-sleep. I can’t imagine how guilt ridden these parents must be, but its irresponsible convincing them to direct it towards vaccines and putting future children at risk.

    Shame on you.

  • Johnny Canuck

    Didn’t read the article eh? Fourth line down from the second heading:

    “Her little five pound body was then injected with the synthetic vitamin k shot, Phytonadione”.

    Where’s my 5 bux, Bucko?

  • Johnny Canuck

    No, shame on you!!!!!

  • ioneskye

    Shame on you Jesus baby. How do you sleep at night or look at yourself in the mirror? It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to know injecting biological toxoids into a newborn will main and kill. You are truly ignorant or unconscious or evil or all three.

  • Johnny Canuck

    Friends of mine lost their first-born, a beautiful little girl. She was sleeping on Daddy’s chest and when he woke up she was dead. It was eventually determined that the Baby died from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. The head of Canada’s SIDS Foundation came at 4 o’clock in the Morning and it was wonderful how he calmed everyone down and explained to the Father it was not his fault and that, at that time, they didn’t really know why this kind of thing happens.

    He was marvelous in his compassion and understanding. Too bad these modern Doctors don’t have as much Soul and Heart. I think you should change your handle…

  • ioneskye

    Great reporting Augustina. You are an angel for these parents.

  • Sarj

    I found this to be very well documented and you, June, to be a troll. You’re pathetic.

  • Sarj

    Co-sleeping did not cause this baby to die like this.

  • CAsaxman

    Go back sucking on Big Pharma’s teet you brain dead troll! All the “evidence and studies” you refer to were paid for by the industry. There is just as much scientific study by extremely well qualified and educated doctors that say vaccines are dangerous. And let me tell you something about this bullshit idea of the child dying because of asphyxiation. I’ve been a medic for 30 years and I’ve seen infants react to their oxygen supply being cut off. They react just like any other human; they violently thrash about, desperate for air. So don’t tell me a baby sleeping on mama’s chest would just lie there and die. So it isn’t unreasonable to say that just as there are many doctors willing to administer this shit there are pathologists who’ll go out of their way to avoid blaming vaccines for killing our babies.

  • Jesus baby

    “Parents know the vaccines killed their baby, despite what you or I or the medical examiner thinks.”
    No, they just BELIEVE that. And of course that’s only after being exploited by anti-vax types like you.

  • Jesus baby

    I sleep fine, thanks.

  • Jesus baby

    That’s great. SIDS is less common in the vaccinated.

  • June

    Sadly positional asphyxia occurs in infants all the time; documented in car seats, baby carriers and bed sharing. Denying this does nothing to save baby’s lives by educating parents how to ensure a safe sleeping environment for their precious babes.

    You are wrong. The overwhelming evidence and agreement in the scientific community is that vaccines are safe. That is not disputable. Side effects and risks are acknowledged to occur, but next to clean water and soap, vaccines have been the most important advancement in public health.

    “you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts”.

  • June

    You cannot just call anyone who doesn’t share your beliefs, a “troll”. Its non productive and exhausting. I’m here to try and understand the antivaccine rationale, and found this article fact-less and devoid of any scientific support. You should engage with people and read things outside your comfortable belief bubble. You may learn something, or maybe even teach someone something. Either way the world would be a better place.

  • Johnny Canuck

    I don’t see what’s so “great” about it.

  • How do you explain this, then? You know, and if vaccines are so safe?

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

    REDACTED VACCINE DEATH FORENSICS REPORT

    Baby M’s Parents,

    Petitioners
    Vs.
    Secretary of Health and Human Services,
    Respondent
    Preliminary Neurobehavioral/Forensics Report: Baby M, a minor.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/baby-ms-parents-vaccine-death-forensics-report.html

    NICU Nurse with 30 Years Experience Quits Over Premature Infants Being Harmed by Vaccines
    http://circleofdocs.com/nicu-nurse-with-30-years-experience-quits-over-premature-infants-being-harmed-by-vaccines/

    A FRONTLINE NURSE’S VIEW OF THE VACCINE DAMAGE COVER-UP
    http://healthyfamiliesforgod.com/2015/11/er-nurse-shares-experiences-vaccine-reactions/

    http://credence.org/ECpages/?page_id=3537

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Sarj

    You’re “here to try and understand the antivaccine rationale?” Really? How is this article “factless?” Pray tell!

  • Sarj

    Wrong…unfortunately, not until after their baby DIED.

  • AutismDadd

    Proof not found in your diaper?

  • AutismDadd

    What do you take warm milk?

  • AutismDadd

    Could be Jesus baby slept in the basement where he still resides.

  • AutismDadd

    Wow what a shill. Its a tragedy alright that our governments allow collateral damage to go unpunished

  • AutismDadd

    Its those HUGE shots too

  • Jesus baby

    Lowell/tripnasty84, why don’t you read the article. Then you or one of your sock puppets can try to post something relevant.

  • Jesus baby

    AutismTroll!

  • Jesus baby

    What was that AutismTroll?

  • Jesus baby

    Wrong? About what?

  • AutismDadd

    You make claims w/o proof other than what’s in your diaper.

  • AutismDadd

    name calling. How juvenile

  • Ken Janulewicz

    June, you won’t get any serious discussion here. They have no scientific evidence, just baseless conjecture. Their best response is name-calling.

    Babies die every day as documented in mortality rates. A certain percentages of babies die. Almost every one of them is vaacinated. To then blame their deaths on them is ridiculous on its face.

    Your correct. This article reeks of bias and unproven opinion and conjecture.

  • Ken Janulewicz

    That’s your intelligent reply, ignorant name calling?

  • Jesus baby

    It’s funny you of all people would say that:)

  • Jesus baby

    Man you still have those old toilet training psych issues. Mommy didn’t praise you enough?

  • AutismDadd

    You’re the cellar dwelling baby not me.

  • AutismDadd

    So I nailed it

  • Jesus baby

    I blocked you. Have a nice life troll:)

  • Augustina

    You should re-read the section regarding her autopsy results. The vaccines were never investigated during her autopsy, thus never dis-proven to have been the most plausible contributing factor in her death, yet are a very plausible contributing factor in her death. Co-sleeping doesn’t cause lung congestion but vaccines can and do.

    Why would you put blame on safe co-sleeping that your parents likely did with you while ignoring the fact that aluminum adjuvants in vaccines can damage the brain-stem, disrupting Aysia’s breathing patterns, leading to gas exchanges ceasing to the point she stopped breathing, brought on by the vaccines injected into her tiny little body while she had an undiagnosed heart murmur?

    Should Aysia’s mother have left her upset baby to fend for herself in a crib? Do you think they wouldn’t have blamed it on SIDS if she had been in a crib? Do you really think co-sleeping isn’t safe, considering it is very natural and humans have been doing this since the beginning of time? Would you tell a cat or dog to put their kittens or puppies in a box and not let them cuddle together because co-sleeping will suddenly cause them to die without warning or any struggle?

    If your baby was recently injected with what is in these vaccines listed in this article, before passing away suddenly, would you want the vaccines to be ignored during the investigation of your baby’s death? This is routinely happening. Would you want to have the vaccines at least acknowledged on your babies autopsy report? Parents are not asking for much here. And how would it make you feel to find out the burden of proof is put on you to prove the vaccines caused your child’s injury? Have you thought about this reality parents like Hope are facing?

  • Augustina

    Thank you, it’s a tough process writing these stories, but they must be told. Parents need a voice and we need to remember these precious gifts of life taken too soon.

  • CAsaxman

    Have you “read things outside your comfortable belief bubble”? If so, what and please state where the authors are wrong. Just in case you haven’t read anything might I suggest for a starter “Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History”. A very well researched book with a myriad of cross referenced facts. We must consider the WHOLE picture as well, for instance why does there exit a SEPARATE court system solely for vaccine related injuries? Who actually funds the studies that “prove” vaccines are safe? And of course is there someone out there making billions of dollars in profits pushing these vaccines and if yes isn’t that the ONE historic factor that make people do EVIL things like LIE? If you think that Big Pharma is all about serving mankind for the greater good you need to hop back on that turnip truck and try to find reality. My motto is question everything. It’s the only way to find truth, you know, that pesky little thing that barely exits anymore.

  • June

    Your lack of medical and scientific knowledge is clear, there are inaccuracies and wild assumptions made in almost every paragraph.

    I feel devastated for these poor parents or any parents who loses a child. But by perpetuating these anti vaccine myths you are directly contributing to the deaths of young babies from pertussis. You need to accept responsibility for that.

    To answer your points directly: I am not nor will I pretend to be a pathologist. Neither should you. But, a quick google search of numerous academic sites clearly shows that lung congestion is a common finding in asphyxiation.

    I do not blame safe co-sleeping. I myself have safely coslept with my 3 children. My point was this is an example of unsafe bed-sharing. Especially if we are able to assume the poor mother was still taking an opioid, in addition to the baby’s prematurity. These tragedies can only be prevented by educating families how to sleep safely. As for your conclusion that aluminum damaged her brainstem; you can’t just make wild assumptions that fit your beliefs. This is just one of the multitude of scientifically inaccurate statements you boldly make with absolutely no expertise or validated scientific evidence.

    As for the murmer, once again I didn’t see MD in your credentials so I’m not sure why you feel qualified to suggest it was a contraindication. The vast majority of childhood murmers are benign, and even IF it was an indicator of an undiagnosed congenital heart issue this would in fact be an indication for vaccination as those children are even more at risk of the infections that vaccinations protect us from.

    My children have all been injected by these vaccines. And I’m so thankful everyday that I don’t have to face the likelihood that at least one of my kids won’t survive until adulthood because of a childhood communicable disease. This up to 30% infant mortality rate was the reality only 2 generations ago and I can’t believe people are so privileged and so ignorant, to believe they know better that the experts who have trained and studied for decades. And to accuse those people who have given up so much of their personal lives of consciously trying to poison babies? Its mind-numbing.

    Oxfords word of the year is “post-truth”. This is the reality we are living in with this assault on facts and distrust of science.

  • Dan Quixoté

    My baby brother almost died from a vaccination. His brain swelled inside his little two-year-old head, and he shrieked continuously for three days straight while we waited to see if he would live or die. Thankfully, he lived, but with permanent neurological deficits. That’s a known side effect, encephalitis, listed on the “doctors insert” shipped in every package. Pediatricians back in the 80’s were slightly more intellectually honest. My brother’s pediatrician admitted this was a reaction to the vaccine, that he had other patients who had the same reaction, and there was nothing he could (that he *would*) do. Nor did he tell our parents about the VAERS database or the VICP fund. This biological reaction was so common it has been given the name by medical professionals, “the encephalitic scream.” The vaccines then still have the same mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde as supernatent (intentional final) components, and autoimmune-triggering excipient (attempted to be removed during production process, but still present in reduced amounts) chemicals that they do now. I’ve been reading these doctors inserts for years, and even the manufacturers are intellectually honest in their documentation of the side effects of vaccines, up to and incuding death for some of them. They also admit that they don’t test the vaccines for carcinogenicity, mutagenicity, or fertility impairment. Our own kids’ pediatrician didn’t believe me, until I showed him to his face. In treating thousands of children over nearly two decades of practice, he had never taken the hour it takes to read a single one of these 27-page inserts. He had given me quite a bit of pushback over the years for opting our large healthy children out of getting these unnecessarily unsafe chemical cocktails injected directly into their bloodstream, but after that day when I printed one out and made him read one for the first time in his life, he was speechless at what he had failed to look into himself, and has never bothered us again about it. I would be in favor of vaccines if they were indeed safe and effective, but the pharma companies’ own data and data from CDC/FDA/HHS plainly shows they’re not, as presently formulated.

  • AutismDadd

    Can’t handle the truth diaper boy?

  • Nobi1

    Listen, I won’t sit here and say I know all about vaccines because I haven’t studied them personally but neither have most of the people commenting I’m sure. However, there is no proof that vaccines are dangerous so I will continue to use them. How many babies would be dying if we still had all of these diseases running rampant? Bedsharing on the other hand has evidence of being dangerous. The fact that people used to do it all the time is not scientific at all. People also used to do a lot of things that we now know are dangerous. Babies used to die because doctors didn’t realize sleeping on their bellies would be harmful but ever since they started back to sleep, tummy to play the sids rate has decreased significantly. Positional asphyxia is such a real thing. Parents can’t know if a baby died of something for sure. How would they even know that? The baby had other illnesses that can contribute to side effects anyway. That’s not to say a healthy infant will have the same reaction. I will always be open to learning new things, that’s why I’m a biology student, but non evidence-based articles drive me crazy.

  • Truthwarrior59

    my grand-daughter bled into her brain exactly on the 7th day after her 6 vaccine injections. The Pentacel vaccine insert leaflet specifically mentions possible reactions on the 7th day. Obviously they know something about their vaccine they are not willing to share with parents. My little Phoebe survived but is developmentally delayed and has sustained brain damage. She cannot walk, has balance issues and tight muscles on her right side. A researcher and doctor in Australia examined her medical records and diagnosed with a form of tissue scurvy which led to her bleeding in the brain. We had the best attorney in this field from Chicago take on our case – for free (!), yet we could not prove that vaccines were the culprit. My family and I know it was the vaccines because Phoebe was born healthy!
    Common sense and logic does not exist when it comes to vaccines because it is all tied to some very large profits and therein lies the entire issue. I know my grand-daughter suffered a severe vaccine reaction because it is logical! You inject an infant with many toxins, the outcome cannot be good. Every person metabolizes toxins differently and thus the discrepancy between babies apparently having no reaction to vaccines and others having severe or fatal reactions. We were blinded by doctors and thought vaccinating Phoebe was necessary, safe and needful. We were so wrong!
    There is no reason to vaccinate anyone!!! That is my firm believe after studying vaccines, vaccine ingredients and the history of vaccines. Actually, vaccinations are a very, very old and outdated way to boost the immune system. Thankfully, God gave me the ability to understand medical information and I am using that ability to inform others. I cannot “force” anyone to believe me but I will ask all parents out there one question: do you believe that childhood diseases are more dangerous than injecting a newborn with these toxins and heavy metals which are in vaccines?

  • Truthwarrior59

    Augustina, great job and I would love to talk to you. How can I communicate with you? I would love to tell you my grand-daughter Phoebe’s story in full and I also believe that you would benefit knowing about our experience. Thank you. Please let me know how I can reach you. Thanks. Constanze

  • Truthwarrior59

    just keep your rose-colored glasses on and keep on believing the myth that vaccines actually prevent diseases. It is obvious that you have never studied the history of vaccines. I am certain you are somehow affiliated with the vaccine manufacturers or possibly a physician who gets kick-backs from them. We all know they hire people like you to try to discredit vaccine reactions. I stood in the Emergency Room at Southern Regional Hospital in Riverdale, Georgia and watched my grand-daughter being saved by an ER physician (who was also not trained in vaccine reactions) but did the right thing to save her life anyway. I watched her cry, a very weak and helpless cry and then she stopped and I thought she had died. Thankfully, she was alive and saved by a great medical team. My grand-daughter (now 5 years old) was born healthy and would have stayed healthy IF SHE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN VACCINATED!!!!!!!!! Now we all have to live with the consequences of this nearly fatal decision to get her vaccinated. All I got to say to you is this: You should pray every day that God will not ever put you in a situation like we were in (and actually still are)!

  • Paislee One

    Cosleeping can cause lung congestion if the baby has reflux which is a common cause of blue spells in premature infants.

  • Augustina

    Constanze, thank you for sharing your story. It is so important to help educate others about the reality of how dangerous these vaccines can be to a person. Expect ridicule from the trolls. Those who are not trolling in the comments would have nothing but complete compassion for what happened and would fully support you coming forward. So many parents have lived through a nightmare after the vaccines harmed their baby. It is not acceptable that the burden of proof is shifted to the parents, to prove the vaccines caused the injury, in order to receive an insulting amount of compensation. There is no compensation for the injured child. It is terrible the protections afforded to the vaccine makers and those mandating vaccines because those responsible for vaccine injuries are not held responsible. Parents are learning about this other side of the debate. They need to learn the reality of what happens when the vaccines kill or injure their child. Keep speaking up. Millions of us support you in this fight.

  • Augustina

    Thank you for sharing you story Dan. Encephalitis following vaccination is not rare. It is also a vaccine table injury, for those going through the vaccine court. A kangaroo court that makes a parent prove the vaccine caused their child’s injury, not the vaccine makers, as one would expect. My heart goes out to you and your family. Keep speaking the truth. The system needs to change and the vaccine injured should be compensated by those making these unsafe vaccines. They shouldn’t be awarded a free pass to keep maiming and killing the children. Science proves vaccines are dangerous and has never proven they are safe. The basic vaccine studies to prove it’s safe to inject these vaccines hasn’t even been done. We’ve asked those in support of vaccination where the infant injection studies are to prove it’s safe to inject human DNA, aluminum, fetal bovine serum, human blood from unknown blood donors, polysorbate 80, gmo’s, etc., into a developing baby, but they can’t, because the studies haven’t been done. There is also no study proving it is safe to inject all of these vaccines in one visit. With the protections afforded to the vaccine makers and them providing their own vaccine safety data, one can see a huge conflict of interest here.

  • Augustina

    Aysia wasn’t suffering from reflux.

  • Augustina

    Do you know the child’s vaccination history? It is rare a completely unvaccinated child would just suddenly die but vaccinated children do often, following vaccinations given to them. We know this because of the countless number of parents coming forward. Was the child recently vaccinated? It is so unimaginable the pain these families endure because of the decision to vaccinate.

  • Ron Roy

    No proof? There’s plenty of proof. Many doctors who once believed in vaccines saw the damage done by them and became anti-vaxx:http://whale.to/c/12924519_603068506527328_2537873275631367574_n.jpg

  • Ron Roy
  • Jesus baby

    “A researcher and doctor in Australia examined her medical records and diagnosed [her] with a form of tissue scurvy which led to her bleeding in the brain.”

    “We had the best attorney in this field from Chicago take on our case – for free (!), yet we could not prove that vaccines were the culprit.”
    Maybe because there is no such thing as “tissue scurvy” (scurvy is a real disease although extremely rare in U.S. infants). I hope your grand-daughter’s parents didn’t refuse a vitamin K shot.

  • Jesus baby

    Ron I’m not even going to click on whale.to.

  • Truthwarrior59

    Ken, there is no conjecture here. This is a serious discussion. If you would have ever found yourself in a situation like we did, you would know how serious this is.
    Babies die in this country every day, yes, but why? Like I said before, every individual deals with toxins in a different way. That’s why some babies seem to be fine after being vaccinated. But study and you will learn that these vaccine ingredients wreak havoc in our bodies and brains leading to diseases later on in life when nobody links them to vaccines. We all know that babies die from any number of reasons but there are so many out there needlessly dying from vaccines. Read the literature and educate yourself. Find out why America’s babies are dying and why babies in other countries are not. Then compare the amount of vaccines (and the age) at which they are administered to infants in this country to those countries. There is plenty of proof for those to see. Besides, who is writing your paychecks? Big Pharma? I hope they are paying you for defending their poisons. Or are you just one of those guys who always needs to be right and can’t handle being wrong because of your male ego? Keeping and open and flexible mind is necessary when dealing with medical information because we are all just still learning. If I inject you with arsenic, you will be poisoned and get sick, possible die. Why does this same logic not apply to vaccines? Just because we have all been brainwashed into believing that if you call a poison a vaccine, it must magically be harmless? Think logically, let your ego go and I tell you the same I tell others: DO YOUR RESEARCH AND KEEP AND OPEN MIND; You are NOT right, I am sorry. Go online and watch You Tube presentations by Dr. Suzanne Humphries, Dr. Russell L. Blaylock, Dr. Joseph Mercola, Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, Dr. David Ayoub and so many more. They will show you slides and scientific proof what vaccines do to our bodies. I read medical journals, reports, books articles etc. only! I read no fiction nor anything else. I also know that I alone cannot possibly comprehend all the medical knowledge that’s out there about this subject. But I know for sure that babies do not need to be vaccinated. They need breast milk, a clean environment, clean food and water, vitamins, love and cuddling and exposure to germs and diseases so that their immune system can practice. Your negative comments don’t help at all. To be honest with you, if every doctor would put aside his or her ego and truly study vaccines, then we would have some solid information. We need to be humble and learn the truth, because really the beginning of knowledge is when we realize we know nothing. That is my attitude. Medicine is in its infancy despite our progress in recent years.

  • AutismDadd

    Save that $5.00 to buy more crack

  • AutismDadd

    Is that all you see? I see much more.

  • AutismDadd

    What bull. Consensus says vaccinate no matter the consequences. The fact CDC itself has patents for numerous vaccines and vaccine components makes any statements about safety a conflict of interest.

  • AutismDadd

    You are NOT trying to understand, you are lecturing as if you know it all. In that regard you are shilling. You are claiming there is one God, Big Pharma.

  • AutismDadd

    Nice job trying to understand….face palm

  • AutismDadd

    That’s your expertise talking? Buh Wah Ha Ha. Opinion isn’t evidence.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Consensus says vaccinate no matter the consequences.

    Nope. Doctors don’t recommend vaccinating various immunocompromised groups.

  • AutismDadd

    Its what happens when Big Pharma got its tentacles into the universities, media, government and other avenues. They simply release information and call it science and the sheeple lap it up.

  • AutismDadd

    Suck your thumb much?

  • AutismDadd

    Tell us what you know about the 19 countries that have vaccine adverse event compensation programs, and site some cases that have been resolved.

  • AutismDadd

    Name it D-Boy

  • AutismDadd

    Nope. Quit lying

  • AutismDadd

    So? At least with one SMALL group they are suddenly cautious. Good chance medical care made them that way though isn’t it?

  • Jonathan Graham

    So?

    Well you said:

    Consensus says vaccinate no matter the consequences

    Apparently you’re incorrect. Some risks doctors consider not worth vaccinating for. Not to mention that there’s no push to add rabies to the vaccine schedule. Even when there are rabid animals in the area. So again you were wrong. Perhaps you’d like to rephrase?

  • AutismDadd

    What a goof. Nice twisting and being productive.

  • Again here you are so called, Jesus baby, and entirely clueless about what you are talking about. Just because big pharma and their associates have failed to follow through with any acknowledgement and proper research, doesn’t make this issue any less true and/or any less …real. This is as well interrelated with known falsely accused shaken baby syndrome, and with vaccines actually being the real culprit.

    Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and The Vitamin C Connection

    The good doctor went on tour with other doctors throughout the United States, in an attempt to spread the word about the main cause of sudden infant death syndrome. Kalokerinos and his peers were ignored by the medical establishment, because his findings were not politically correct medicine. The doctor was preaching that the cure was nutritional instead of pharmaceutical. Additionally, he proved that there was a direct link between unexpected child deaths and vaccines that had caused deficiencies of vitamin C. What other doctors heard was that modern medicine was actually the problem. To them, it made Dr. Kalokerinos the problem. As a result of this cover-up, approximately 2,600 babies die each year from sudden infant death syndrome in the U.S. alone.

    All deceased S.I.D.S. victims who are tested for vitamin C deficiency show only trace amounts of this vital nutrient, without exception.

    Dr. Kalokerinos wrote that many of the aboriginal babies died immediately after receiving vaccines. He blamed this on the amount of extra sodium ascorbate (vitamin C) that their bodies needed to counteract the toxic effects of the vaccines. He recognized that massive amounts of vitamin C are utilized whenever someone is sick, or when his immune system is otherwise aggravated. Vaccines are designed specifically to force a hyper-immune response, and this is done by the use of poisonous adjuvants.

    Babies need vitamin C for development in the womb, and prenatal vitamin C helps to prevent the future onset of S.I.D.S. Even after birth, most infants desperately need the natural vitamins found in breast milk. Nutritional deficiencies place infants at risk of developmental problems and infantile death. The commercial infant formulas are not a healthy option. The inability of manufacturers to properly mimic human breast milk and vitamins is shown in the reduced immune systems of children who are fed infant formulas. Statistics show that the nutritional deficiencies caused by infant formulas vastly increase the likelihood of childhood health disasters, such as S.I.D.S.

    Read more:
    http://healthwyze.org/reports/161-sudden-infant-death-syndrome-and-the-vitamin-c-connection

    KALOKERINOS PAPERS AND RELATED CONFIRMING INFO
    http://www.ra-infection-connection.com/KalokerinosAA-VaccinesRefs.htm

    EVERY SECOND CHILD
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/08/14/dr-kalokerinos-last-book/

    Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS): Major Causes are Known but Ignored
    Part I: Ascorbic Acid and SIDS
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/sudden-infant-death-syndrome-sids-major-causes-are-known-but-ignored/

    Clinical Medicine Research
    2014; 3(1): 6-8
    Published online January 30, 2014 (http://www.sciencepublishinggroup.com/j/cmr)
    doi: 10.11648/j.cmr.20140301.12
    Tissue scurvy misdiagnosed as shaken baby syndrome
    homicide

    Michael D. Innis
    Retired Haematologist Princess Alexandra Hospital Brisbane Australia

    http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.cmr.20140301.12.pdf

    More references here below.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • Go ahead and list directly the conditions and risks that you say doctors believe contraindicate the injection of vaccines?

    My Kids: Their Severe Vaccine Injuries Do Not Qualify For A Medical Exemption
    http://www.stopmandatoryvaccination.com/parent/vaccine-injury/my-kids-their-severe-vaccine-injuries-do-not-qualify-for-a-medical-exemption/

    Almost No Medical Condition Qualifies for Medical Vaccine Exemption
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2015/almost-no-medical-condition-qualifies-for-medical-vaccine-exemption/

    Vaccines: The Myth of Medical Exemption
    http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/vaccines-myth-medical-exemption/

    The Immunocompromised Still Get Vaccinated
    http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2016/01/the-immunocompromised-still-get-vaccinated/

  • AutismDadd

    jesus baby blocked me. Another coward bites the dust.

  • englishvinal

    No, shame on YOU! Shame shame and more SHAME#!
    I hope that god or saint Peter or whoever greets you when your body dies, sends you to Purgatory or whatever other “in-between-place that takes in block-headed, ‘true believers’ like you. And I hope you get to STAY there for ‘eternity’ or however long it takes for you to bloody well repent!
    Co-sleeping indeed! What balderdash! – Tell that to natives tribes throughout the world whose mothers are never out of physical touch with their children until they are in excess of 18 months old…. don’t you believe that those mothers ever sleep?

    You are not “heartbroken” for anybody … you value your ability to ‘take your fellow man to task’ for not consenting to be as brainwashed and zombified as YOU are far too much to even HAVE a heart … Shame on you!

  • Again, I have absolutely no sock puppets here …none …and quite obviously I don’t need any. And that was the best you could do, to falsely and repeatedly again accuse of my having a socket puppet acct? That from and based on one single post from someone on the previous article and that took direct issue with you. How pathetic. And in fact I did read this article, and you?

  • A true coward, indeed.

  • Jesus baby

    Sure I read it Lowell/tripnasty84. Of the links you posted which would you say is the most relevant to this case?

  • Jesus baby

    Lowell/tripnasty84, you can post your links all day and it won’t make “tissue scurvy” real. Have any non-Australian quack evidence for it (you don’t).

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m pointing out your error. You can now rephrase in a way that leads to a productive conversation…if you were interested in that. If you just want to be abusive to people that’s your business. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Go ahead and list directly the conditions and risks that you say doctors believe contraindicate the injection of vaccines?

    It varies with the condition because immunocompromise isn’t a binary state. For example FOXN1 deficiency would probably have universal agreement from doctors contraindicating live vaccines.

  • That sure isn’t much of a list. How about this deficiency, has that one ever crossed your mind? It is found to be relatively common in today’s children.

    Should this finding in children be a contraindication in regard to vaccines? Yes or no? Why aren’t they testing for it first and prior to vaccination?

    MTHFR-Genetics, Autism, and Disease

    MTHFR stands for MethylTetraHydroFolate Reductase Deficiency. MTHFR is a genetic disorder that inhibits some people from being able to convert folic acid from food to the active form of folic acid, L-methylfolate, that is used by the body. MTHFR was identified in the Human Genome Project, a study designed to identify treatable genetic disorders.

    Read more:
    http://www.vacfacts.info/mthfr-genetics-autism-and-disease.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    That sure isn’t much of a list.

    Which is why I didn’t call it a list. I said it was an example which is why I used the word ‘example’ and not ‘list’ or ‘list of examples’. See how English works? Immunodeficency isn’t a binary condition so there’s bound to be a wide variety of cases and opinions on said cases. I simply picked one that would be illustrative.

  • June

    Exactly. Opinion isn’t evidence.

  • AutismDadd

    Yeah Buzz all you do is point out alleged errors.

  • June

    I won’t dignify this with a response, except to say; I won’t dignify this with a response.

  • June

    I really am sorry to hear about your grand-daughter, but am glad the Medical Team and physician were able to save her. Were you not relieved to have access to modern, western healthcare and medicines in that moment?

  • You stated, [Some risks doctors consider not worth vaccinating for.] So I asked for your list of said risks. And why have you as well failed to answer my two questions? Just stop ignoring them.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You said “at any cost”. I provided a cost which virtually all doctors will not consider worthwhile. QED.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So I asked for your list of said risks.

    I had already provided more than one broad category in the first post you responded to. I followed up with a specific example which was very unambiguous.

    And why have you as well failed to answer my two questions?

    Which questions? If they’re not about what I’m talking about – refuting a specific point of – AutismDadd then I probably ignored them because I’m uninterested.

  • June

    No, it was name calling following by an anecdote that is not physiologically accurate. Followed by a wild accusation.

  • June

    No, children who are immunocompromised or have a history of anaphylaxis should not receive most vaccinations. They are the ones who are put at risk for preventable diseases that should not exist in 2017.

  • June

    Never once did I mention Big Pharma. I believe in Science. You can’t argue facts and evidence with opinion and anecdotes, and name calling is disappointing to say the least. The arguments I keep hearing here are why Oxford added a new word last year; “post-truth”.

  • June

    Big Pharma is far far from perfect, but would stand to gain significantly more if preventable illnesses returned to their pre-vaccination rates, as medications required to treat the infections and their life-long sequelae would be more profitable.

  • englishvinal

    Truthwarrior… I AGREE with you. This “June” person smacks of a “paid to post balancing opinion” TROLL….. The pharmaceutical industry/big money business PAYS these bottom feeding Judas’s to write adversarial trash in their effort to confuse the readers.

    Those readers are the ones who PAY to “get their flu shots” and PAY to poison their babies and children…. after all those propagandized readers are the source of mansions, high-dollar sports cars, Riviera vacations and all the rest of the vampire “medical PRO-fession” enjoy.

  • AutismDadd

    Include Fake News which we get about vaccines all the time.

  • AutismDadd

    More bull.

  • AutismDadd

    Wrong. All doctors? Proof please.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, virtually all doctors.

  • Is there some reason that you can not directly reply to a post, like everyone else here does, and without using your stupid syntax? it doesn’t make you look any smarter, and as a fact. Instead it makes you look far more like you are evading the reply post that you are replying to, and as well directly the real issues and the questions put in front of you. In that you do nothing but post again and again and a complete evasion of what was contained in the original posts.

    That broad category as I said, contains nothing for specifics in regard to what health situation are actually contraindicated in regard to giving vaccines. You evaded the entire question, and you again as well FAILED to respond to my direct question in regard to MTHFR deficiency. Now, do you want to actually answer my questions; or will you evade it all for another 25 continued posts, and as you always do?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Is there some reason that you can not directly reply to a post

    I assume you mean by blockquoting. It’s easier and clearer and even you have done something like it. So you have no cause to complain.

    That broad category as I said, contains nothing for specifics in regard to what health situations are actually contraindicated in regard to giving vaccines.

    Well You never mentioned broad categories nor my particular broad categories so “as I said” doesn’t make much sense. In any case I gave you a clear example. If you want more you’re going to have to show you can have a more productive conversation.

    You evaded the entire question

    No, I responded to it albeit more briefly than you would like.

    FAILED to respond to my direct question in regard to MTHFR deficiency.

    Not interested. Sorry, I was refuting one particular point of AutismDadd’s. Which I did and then clarified for you – you’re welcome.

    Now, do you want to actually answer my said two questions;

    What questions?

  • You can continue to evade it with all the false and twisted excuses you can dig up, but this was the issue and as to the questions that I put in front of you. Again, and if you recall, the issue discussed was that of existing contraindications to vaccines. You listed an example of FOXN1 deficiency. I would think this said MTHFR deficiency should be a far more important issue in regard to issues of what conditions should be a contraindication in regard to giving vaccines. If you think that it is not; then as well describe directly why you think that is so? You already know that you are again going to evade this said issue, and the entire issue.

    How about this deficiency, has that one ever crossed your mind, Graham? It is found to be relatively common in today’s children.

    Should this finding in children be a contraindication in regard to vaccines? Yes or no? Why aren’t they testing for it first and prior to vaccination?

    MTHFR-Genetics, Autism, and Disease

    MTHFR stands for MethylTetraHydroFolate Reductase Deficiency. MTHFR is a genetic disorder that inhibits some people from being able to convert folic acid from food to the active form of folic acid, L-methylfolate, that is used by the body. MTHFR was identified in the Human Genome Project, a study designed to identify treatable genetic disorders.

    Read more:
    http://www.vacfacts.info/mthfr-genetics-autism-and-disease.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    if you recall, the issue discussed was that of existing contraindications to vaccines

    Not the issue I was discussing. The issue I was discussing if you took the time to read was that AutismDadd believed there was no exception ever to vaccination regardless of the cost. I refuted him. You barged in and are now demanding that I talk about what you want to talk about. However I’m not interested.

  • Jesus baby

    WTF there are Riviera vacations?

  • They exist because the vaccine shave failed to eradicate what they were said they would eradicate. There as well is no such thing as vaccine derived herd immunity. For that to exist millions of adults would have to as well be re-vaccinated, and which have not been re-vaccinated since childhood.

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • You continue to DODGE the questions. You replied to AutismDadd, and you replied what you did. Now when you can’t face the truth and the reality of what is in front of you for replies, you try and simply run from it all, and saying you aren’t interested. If you are not interested in the vaccine issue and to include the vaccine risks issue; then what are you doing here and in reply posting on this article, at all? If you refuse to reply to direct replies to your reply posts, and with directly related questions put to you; then perhaps you should not have replied here at all. Yaa …think? Wow.

    AutismDadd June • 5 hours ago
    What bull. Consensus says vaccinate no matter the consequences. The fact CDC itself has patents for numerous vaccines and vaccine components makes any statements about safety a conflict of interest.
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    Jonathan Graham AutismDadd • 5 hours ago
    Consensus says vaccinate no matter the consequences.
    Nope. Doctors don’t recommend vaccinating various immunocompromised groups.
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    Jonathan Graham AutismDadd • 4 hours ago
    So?
    Well you said:

    Consensus says vaccinate no matter the consequences
    Apparently you’re incorrect. Some risks doctors consider not worth vaccinating for. Not to mention that there’s no push to add rabies to the vaccine schedule. Even when there are rabid animals in the area. So again you were wrong. Perhaps you’d like to rephrase?
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    Jonathan Graham Lowell Hubbs • 2 hours ago
    Go ahead and list directly the conditions and risks that you say doctors believe contraindicate the injection of vaccines?
    It varies with the condition because immunocompromise isn’t a binary state. For example FOXN1 deficiency would probably have universal agreement from doctors contraindicating live vaccines.

    Jonathan Graham Lowell Hubbs • 2 hours ago
    So I asked for your list of said risks.
    I had already provided more than one broad category in the first post you responded to. I followed up with a specific example which was very unambiguous.

    And why have you as well failed to answer my two questions?
    Which questions? If they’re not about what I’m talking about – refuting a specific point of – AutismDadd then I probably ignored them because I’m uninterested.
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  • Simply because you say so. The Wizard of Oz has spoken.

  • Jonathan Graham

    There was nothing conclusively defining

    LOL your awkward English is always my favorite part of your posts.

    in your reference to the example of FOXN1 deficiency, and as far as if or not vaccination could and would still take place. Just because you say so?

    No, because the evidence shows a clear contra-indication.

    You continue to DODGE the questions.

    Nope, it’s not really difficult Lowell. Just because you decide you want to talk to someone about some random thought. Doesn’t mean they’re interested.

    If you are not interested in the vaccine issue and to include the vaccine risks issue; then what are you doing here and in reply posting on this article, at all?

    What I was interested in was pointing out an error of AutismDadd. Nothing more.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Simply because you say so.

    No, because the evidence strongly contra-indicates.

  • Ken Janulewicz

    Mercola and Tenpenny are totally disproven quacks. There’s nothing to discuss if you actually believe that these inept excuses for doctors are believable. You do the research at least on these 2 and get your head out of the sand. Google both of them and read about them. Tenpenny’s specialty is hawking tapes at phony seminars. She is totally unqualified to be giving advice on anyone. You’re suggestion of them as ethical physicians is laughable.

  • June

    So I should have demanded more than a Honda?

  • CAsaxman

    You completely FAILED to respond to my first sentence, and the following 3 questions I posed to you. I am open to your response to prove me wrong. Have at it.

  • Ron Roy

    I suspected that you wouldn’t before I posted that link because for you to so might cause you to develop a conscience. Like I’ve said many times I don’t post for you or your co-workers I post for people who have an open mind and have an interest in knowing more about health destroying vaccines.

  • Ron Roy

    A thousand upvotes for this one Lowell.

  • Ron Roy

    Doctor prevented infant mortality
    Published: March 17, 2012 – 3:00AM
    ”Archie Kalokerinos, son of a Greek cafe owner, with
    plenty of brains and a medical degree, bounced around the world getting
    experience – not settling to surgery, trying general practice – until a
    problem came to his attention which was to preoccupy him for the rest of
    his life.

    That was the plight of the Aboriginal people, in particular the
    impossibly high infant mortality rate he encountered in regional NSW. In
    one Aboriginal community every second Aboriginal infant was dying.
    Kalokerinos adopted a radical ”counter intuitive” therapy – boosting
    the immune system – and brought the infant mortality rate there down to
    zero. He embraced preventative medicine, particularly in the beneficial
    use of vitamin C. Some of Kalokerinos’s theories were controversial, but
    he had some powerful support. The dual Nobel-prize winner Linus
    Pauling, in the foreword to Kalokerinos’s book Every Second Child, endorsed his views. In 1975, film director Phillip Noyce produced a documentary on him and Aboriginal healthcare entitled, God Only knows Why, But it Works. It was claimed that a ”Schindler’s List” could be drawn up, of children he had saved and their offspring.

    Kalokerinos, who worked with the Aboriginal Medical Service at
    Redfern from 1976 to 1982, did not forget his origins. He once said:
    ”My Greek background acted, always, as the guiding light through the
    darkness and unknown.” In 2000 the Greek newspaper Neos Kosmos named him ”Greek Australian of the Century”.

    Archivides Kalokerinos was born on September 28, 1927, third son of
    Nicholas Kalokerinos, who had migrated to Australia from the Greek
    island of Kythera in 1913 and married a Greek girl, Mary (nee
    Megaloconomos). The couple had moved to Glen Innes, where Archie went to
    a local public school. In 1939 the family decided to move to Sydney to
    give their children better educational opportunities. Nicholas opened a
    shop in Old South Head Road, Rose Bay. The family lived upstairs and
    Archie went to a technical high school.

    Archie followed his older brothers, James and Emmanuel, into medicine
    and graduated from the University of Sydney in 1951. He undertook 18
    months as a resident at Lismore Base Hospital, then went to Britain
    hoping to progress to specialist surgery. He married a nurse, Audrey,
    there but decided not to pursue surgery, and in 1957 returned to
    Australia.

    Kalokerinos’s marriage ended in divorce. He became a hospital
    superintendent at Collarenebri and in 1965, frustrated in his efforts to
    curb the Aboriginal infant mortality rate, he joined his friend Bill
    Petrohelos and went opal mining at Coober Pedy, practising medicine on
    the side, including running a clinic at Lightning Ridge. But life was
    not entirely tranquil. He later wrote: ”I … found myself involved in a
    terrible brawl that left me with six fractured ribs and a ruptured
    kidney. While recovering I sought solace in the desert and that is how I
    met an elderly Aboriginal woman who told me that before white men came
    the Aboriginal children did not die as they did now.” From that moment,
    he decided to return to Collarenebri to resume full-time medical
    practice.

    He was surprised to discover that some of the children had symptoms
    of scurvy. After trying to treat them with antibiotics and vitamin C, he
    found that the effects of vitamin C therapy were dramatic. He reported
    on this, encountering scepticism from some within his profession. He
    believed there was a link between vitamin C deficiency and sudden infant
    death syndrome. He also found that some children had a disease that
    affected their taste buds so that food tasted foul, and they were being
    tube-fed. He realised they were suffering a zinc deficiency and came up
    with a treatment that is now routine.

    Kalokerinos started with the Aboriginal Medical Service in 1976. In
    December, 1977, he married another nurse, Catherine Hunter. In 1978 he
    was subject of a This Is Your Life television program. He was also awarded the Australian Medal of Merit for outstanding scientific work.

    In 1982, Kalokerinos decided to return to private practice and
    started in Bingara, in the New England tablelands. In 2002 he retired
    from full-time medical practice and moved to Cooranbong, on the NSW
    central coast. Holding several medical fellowships, including Fellowship
    of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health, he completed locums,
    pursued private research and wrote a an autobiography, Medical Pioneer of the Twentieth Century.

    Archie Kalokerinos is survived by Catherine, a son and two daughters, five grandchildren and a great-grandchild.”

    Malcolm Brown

    This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/obituaries/doctor-prevented-infant-mortality-20120316-1vaj6.html

  • Ron Roy

    You have no dignity to respond with.

  • Ron Roy

    I think asking for a conscience would benefit mankind / and you ( but not financially ) a lot more.

  • Ron Roy

    And do these medical professionals, who are against vaccines, also lack scientific evidence?Nicola Antonucci, MD
    Isaac Golden, ND
    Amber Passini, MD

    David Ayoub, MD
    Gary Goldman, PhD
    Ronald Peters, MD, MPH

    Nancy Turner Banks, MD
    Garry Gordon, MD, DO, MD(H)
    Jean Pilette, MD

    Timur Baruti, MD
    Doug Graham, DC
    Pat Rattigan, ND

    Danny Beard, DC
    Boyd Haley, PhD
    Zoltan Rona, MD, MSc

    Françoise Berthoud, MD
    Gayl Hamilton, MD
    Chaim Rosenthal, MD

    Russell Blaylock, MD
    Linda Hegstrand, MD, PhD
    Robert Rowen, MD

    Fred Bloem, MD
    James Howenstine, MD
    Máximo Sandín, PhD

    Laura Bridgman, FNP, ND
    Suzanne Humphries, MD
    Len Saputo, MD

    Kelly Brogan, MD
    Belén Igual Diaz, MD
    Michael Schachter, MD

    Sarah Buckley, MD
    Philip Incao, MD
    Viera Scheibner, PhD

    Rashid Buttar, DO
    Joyce Johnson, ND
    Penelope Shar, MD

    Harold Buttram, MD
    A. Majid Katme, MBBCh, DPM
    Bruce Shelton, MD, MD(H)

    Lisa Cantrell, RN
    Tedd Koren, DC
    Debbi Silverman, MD

    Lua Català Ferrer, MD
    Alexander Kotok, MD, PhD
    Kenneth “KP” Stoller, MD

    Jennifer Craig, PhD, BSN, MA
    Eneko Landaburu, MD
    Terri Su, MD

    Robert Davidson, MD, PhD
    Luc Lemaire, DC
    Didier Tarte, MD

    Ana de Leo, MD
    Janet Levatin, MD
    Leigh Ann Tatnall, RN

    Carlos de Quero Kops, MD
    Thomas Levy, MD, JD
    Adiel Tel-Oren, MD, DC

    Carolyn Dean, MD, ND
    Stephen L’Hommedieu, DC
    Sherri Tenpenny, DO

    Mayer Eisenstein, MD, JD, MPH
    Paul Maher, MD, MPH
    Renee Tocco, DC

    Todd M. Elsner, DC
    Andrew Maniotis, PhD
    Demetra Vagias, MD, ND

    Jorge Esteves, MD
    Steve Marini, PhD, DC
    Franco Verzella, MD

    Edward “Ted” Fogarty, MD
    Juan Manuel Martínez Méndez, MD
    Julian Whitaker, MD

    Jack Forbush, DO
    Sue McIntosh, MD
    Ronald Whitmont, MD

    Milani Gabriele, CRNA, RN
    Richard Moskowitz, MD
    Betty Wood, MD

    Sheila Gibson, MD, BSc
    Sheri Nakken, RN, MA
    Eduardo Ángel Yahbes, MD

    Mike Godfrey, MBBS
    Christiane Northrup, MD

  • Ron Roy

    Sometimes ” name calling ” is a normal reaction when faced with people like yourself who keep promoting vaccines when they’re obviously extremely harmful.

  • Ron Roy

    Doctors don’t even follow the recommendations of the drug industry. They’re supposed to ask if there’s a family history of allergies and what they are and they don’t.

  • Ron Roy

    Science? lol You mean the scene that’s bought and paid for by the drug industry? That science?

  • Ken Janulewicz

    June, you’re wasting your time trying to have an intelligent discussion with rabid, foil hat wearing fanatics who base their opinions on conjecture, could be, might be, probably is and some of the.most certifiable quacks in existence.

    Using their logic, 2 weeks ago, somewhere in the world, thousands of people ate a bowl of Cheerios. 5 of them died the next day. Therefore, Cheerios are poison and caused these people to die. That’s their type of proof and logic.

    The ignorance and stupidity abounding in this group is mind-numbing. I can’t waste any more of my time try to converse and recommend you do the same. You’re too intelligent to be here with chronically gullible and ignorant foil hat fans.

  • Ken Janulewicz

    Ron Roy, I don’t have time to find your list of people you listed as proof of something or other. To be fair, how about making a list of the hundreds of thousands of doctors that disagree with those on your list? Your list is less than a fraction of 1 percent, and this is your convincing argument? Sure hope you acquire some common sense at some time in your life. I think you forgot to add Mercola and Tenpenny to your list. 2 jokes in the medical field. No more time to waste here with illogical, gullible people.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Then you’ve refuted AutismDadd’s position. See AutismDadd is in no better position to have interviewed every doctor on their views on every disease and their vaccination policy than I am (and probably worse). So if by “medical consensus” he simply means the de facto consensus. Then he has no basis for what he is saying. Now if he’s saying that medical literature tends to point in a particular direction a de rigueur consensus if you will. Then it’s at least plausible to have some information which sums the general direction on medical literature (since a good portion of research *IS* summing up previous data). However he’s simply incorrect that the message is “at any cost”.

  • Ken Janulewicz

    Evidently you didn’t read it. It’s something like Goebbels would have written to suck in the gullible and make them rabid, ignorant followers.

  • Ken Janulewicz

    You have chiropractors and naturopaths in your list of medical experts? You surely are kidding or hopelessly disfunctional in your thinking and logic. As I requested before, please list the hundreds of thousands of medical experts that disagree with those on your short list.

  • Ken Janulewicz

    That’s all that’s in the article. Thanks for bringing it to light.

  • Ken Janulewicz

    Name calling is normal? Only to the ignorant, who can’t make a logical point because they don’t have any.

  • Ken Janulewicz

    Where exactly have you seen babies with their oxygen supply cut off? This should be good.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Parents know the vaccines killed their baby, despite what you or I or the medical examiner thinks.

    …and yet they are limited to observing macroscale post-hoc events.

  • “You can think those toxic vaccines didn’t have anything to do with Aysia’s demise”

    And your evidence that things in vaccines are toxic at exposure levels achievable by routine childhood vaccinations would be what, exactly?

    “Co-sleeping is natural and I’m sure your parents co-slept with you and your grandparents co-slept with your parents, and so on.”

    Irrelevant. Botulin Toxin is 100% natural too, plus you have commited the fallacy of survivor-ship bias here.

    “But if you want to help cover up these deaths, it’s your choice” How does commenting on it cover it up in any way?

    “Parents know the vaccines killed their baby, despite what you or I or the medical examiner thinks.”

    Knowledge is justified true belief so if that’s the case, they should have no logistical trouble providing the evidence though I assume

    “Don’t you find it odd that the burden of proof is shifted on the parents?”

    Not really. See, clinical trials happen which is where the manufacturers prove it’s safe (minus exceptionally rare events but that’s what recall is for)

    After that, it’s post-license and the parents are the ones claiming that vaccines killed their baby so they ARE the ones who SHOULD have the burden of proof.

    “It is horrible what these parents face and be thankful you are not in their shoes.”

    Illegal appeal to pity. They have our sympathy. It’s just that sympathy is not a substitution for evidence, proof or anything of that nature.

    But i agree, it is horrible. So, let’s start a pro-vaccination campaign since childhood mortality dropped AFTER vaccines were introduced.

  • Got any evidence then? Knowledge is justified true belief.

    And why are you captalising DIED? It’s not as if they don’t already have our sympathy – it’s just that that is not relevant to evidence.

  • Wrong. Other way around.

  • *Though I assume/understand/respect that it would likely present some emotional difficulties.

  • Is a pediatrician a vaccine manufacturer? Why no?

    You could sue the pedi here – the ‘trick’ would be to call it a malpractice suit.

  • Jesus baby

    That’s scurvy, Ron, not “tissue scurvy”, which is not a recognized medical condition.

  • Got evidence for that global conspiracy?

  • Citation?

  • Let me know when you find their research?

  • You have evidence that anyone here is getting paid, right?

  • What’s your evidence that June is getting paid?

  • “It’s obvious on multiple levels. It’s so sad, just admit it.”

  • “Well, if it”s so obvious, you must be able to provide evidence. I agree that this story is sad and make no mistake: The parents DO have our sympathy. However, our sympathy is not evidence.”

  • Jesus baby

    Ron, if I wanted to read about mole people and lizard men and a thousand other conspiracy theories I’d go to whale.to. And your link is just a quote from Mary Tocco for God’s sake.

  • Jesus baby

    “Aluminum vaccine adjuvants have been widely studied and proven to damage the brainstem, thus can damage an infant’s ability to breathe.”
    Citations needed. (YouTube videos are not citations)

  • FallsAngel

    Yes, Roy, they lack scientific evidence if they’re opposed to vaccines.

  • June

    Do they lack evidence? Absolutely.
    A quick search of a few of these MD names reveals doctors who own or work in clinics that make great profits selling their touted alternative remedies, including the nonsensical quackery of homeopathy. This is a serious conflict of interest, not to mention unethical as they know they are not evidence based. You believe what you want to believe, see what you want to see but that doesn’t change the facts.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So your blaming other people for your actions?

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s exceptionally likely they lack statistically strong evidence. A microscopic faction of doctors not only CAN be wrong but are statistically expected to be wrong. Sorry Ron. Take a math course.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Same science that has an infinitely better record at removing potentially harmful drugs and vaccines from the market than every “brave” anti-vaccine doctor and researcher. :-) :-) :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    I also think that similarly diligent science can be found in Astounding Stories and Weird Tales.

  • Jonathan Graham

    high-dollar sports cars,

    Do you know if they have any partnership with Tesla? I really think the anarcho-pharma-lizardpeople-cattle-mutilator-conglomospiracy. Needs to think in a more environmentally friendly way.

  • Mike Stevens

    But.. the specific lack of evidence for a global conspiracy is PROOF that it is just extremely efficiently executed!

  • Jonathan Graham

    I always think it’s funny how people think anyone would just hand over tens of thousands of dollars for posting on a few websites. There are already places you can go to get things like Facebook likes and I guarantee that none of those people are vacationing in Cote d’Azur. At best it would be economically comparable to “gold farming” and there are some really sad living conditions for people who do that for a living.

    Economics vaccine critics. Learn some!

  • Jonathan Graham

    I can almost hear AutismDadd say “Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence”

  • June

    Asphyxiation any deprivation of oxygen. The pathologist knows what they are talking about.
    Drinking too much water causes cerebral edema and death. Excessive oxygen causes seizures and pulmonary damage. Once again, this is not how science works. You can’t just apply information or theories out of context in any way that suits your argument.
    Should the report also have mentioned every formula intake and environment exposure the baby had had? 100% of people who die have recently consumed dihydrogen oxide. Correlation doesn’t mean causation. This is taught in any basic science class.

    If you’re looking for causes of improper brain development, this baby had prolonged interutero exposure to opiates, jaundice which carries a risk of kernicterus, and prematurity. None of which, by the way, are contraindications to vaccination. But, positional asphyxia happens all the time in even healthy infants. I believe you think you are advocating for these poor parents. But in fact they are being used for this “cause” and denied closure. And what do you then say to the parents of the 6 week old who dies of pertussis as a DIRECT result of this anti-vaccination movement?

  • Uhh…?

  • Mike Stevens

    They are very clever these global conspiracists.
    Think like Men in Black, with special powers to make the masses forget everything they know.

  • June

    You can’t fathom that someone with an opposing view (or acceptance of facts in this case) would take the time to respond to this irresponsible article and ones like it? My kitchen is a mess, my kids are running wild and I’m not sure why I’m bothering to try to point out the faults in your arguments. Sure wish I was being paid, or a Tesla would be great.

  • June

    yup

  • AutismDadd

    So is that like vitual space? And virtually how many doctors wouldn’t?

  • June

    Vaccines haven’t eradicated these diseases because vaccinations rates are decreasing. The effectiveness of some vaccines do wane with time, which is why boosters are recommended.

  • AutismDadd

    Aren’t you clever. That’s right, you aren’t

  • AutismDadd

    June sounds like a sock puppet of other posters like Kathy, Dorit Riese and others. Its as though they are quoting a manual of spreading misinformation.

  • AutismDadd

    Psychopath at work

  • Jonathan Graham

    No idea. It’s the consensus of medical literature.

  • AutismDadd

    Oh the book of lies…gotcha

  • AutismDadd

    You forgot our CULT leader and anti-vaccine Messiah Dr Andrew Wakefield

  • AutismDadd

    J.b. blocked me because he’s too busy posting garbage to you and Lowell

  • FallsAngel

    He’s one of the good guys, June! Just a little sarcasm there!

  • Jonathan Graham

    Which you think forms the basis of what doctors do.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s cute when you get all riled up because you deluded yourself into thinking that in order to be compassionate people need to believe whatever eitology someone makes up to explain their situation.

  • AutismDadd

    In some regard.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and so here we are. Your point refuted. Consensus is not vaccination at any cost. Now perhaps you can formulate a position that is less silly and we can talk about that. :-)

  • Jesus baby

    I mean the whole concept was thought up to get parents off for causing shaken baby syndrome.

  • June

    Let me be clear; the effectiveness and safety of vaccines is not in question. I am trying to understand why anti-vaxxers believe they are right. So far all I see is wild assumptions, conspiracy theories and name calling.

  • I was trying to use quotation marks to indicate sarcasm!

  • June

    Oops, sorry! I still wish I was being given a Tesla for posting.

  • True story:

    I asked my dentist once, “so why’d you become a dentist, anyway?”

    He replied, “if you look out that window, you can see my car.” It was a blue Tesla roadster.

  • David W

    You mean breakfast could be the cause of autism??? ;-)

  • Ron Roy

    ”Ron, if I wanted to read about mole people and lizard men and a thousand other conspiracy theoriesI’d go to whale.to. ” I want you to go to; WHALE / VACCINES and skip the part about lizard men etc. You constantly go to the wrong part of the library. Or you could go to:http://www.vaclib.org/

  • Ron Roy

    J.b. got tired of hearing the truth. I wonder who’ll be next?

  • Ron Roy

    ”Same science that has an infinitely better record at removing potentially harmful drugs and vaccines from the market” You mean the science that put these drugs on the market in the first place? I see that science involved using people as Guinea pigs. Oh the drugs that were removed was because the harm to adults was so apparent that they had no choice but when it comes to vaccines babies can’t speak out and doctors deny vaccine injuries. WOW 8 upvotes the shills are back from vacation.

  • Ron Roy

    Unlike you Johnny who sits his fat ars on a chair all day these dcotors were in the field with practical experience and with something you don’t have a heart / conscience. Their math skills were use in counting vaccine deaths and injuries. I’ll believe their math equations (vaccines given = vaccine deaths ) over yours any day.

  • Ron Roy

    BULLSHIT!

  • Ron Roy

    It’s all here do your own homework:http://www.vaclib.org/

  • Ron Roy

    The obvious. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck etc.

  • Sigh. That’s not research, Ron.

    Your claim, your burden of proof.

  • Ron Roy

    Says another paid shill. How much are they paying you to encourage the killing and maiming of babies? And what two other shills bred you?

  • That’s an assertion, Ron. Still waiting for evidence.

  • Ron Roy

    You mean the hundreds of thousand of cowards who refuse to speak out in fear of losing their licenses and jobs? Those hundreds of thousands?

  • Ron Roy

    Real heroes are far and few between. Cowards who won’t speak the truth are many.

  • AutismDadd

    I’m waiting for Mr Buzz Cut himself to concede defeat, but I don’t think he’s smart enough to.

  • AutismDadd

    You mean you won’t make time because you are happy to wallow in ignorance.

  • AutismDadd

    Don’t forget these hundreds of thousands inject this crap then don’t report adverse events, then claim children are born harmed or reactions after vaccines are a coincidence. NVICP has paid out 3.5 billion for these coincidences though.

  • AutismDadd

    and smells like a duck

  • Jesus baby

    It wouldn’t matter.

  • Jesus baby

    I tread heavily, but speak the truth.

  • AutismDadd

    That’s just garbage you make up.

  • Tissue scurvy caused directly by vaccines is real, and the information in the links show directly that it is real. Your deliberate ignorance and refusal of the information, does not, and can not make the evidence of that truth, and that reality, go away.

  • Jesus baby

    Then it should be child’s play for you to link the basic science research showing there is such a thing as “tissue scurvy”. But all you’re going to do is claim, “It’s in there.” It isn’t.

  • How can there be scurvy and without it existing in the so called human bodies tissues? Then where do you say it exists? You stated that it is not a recognized medical condition; by who? Big pharma and their mis-educated doctor clone factory? When have they ever studied this issue, and furthermore as a vaccine related issue? They haven’t; and at least not in any form that has been made any public knowledge of that needed research.

  • Jesus baby

    Learn your quack theories, Lowell/tripnasty84. The fantastical “tissue scurvy” is supposedly an autoimmune reaction to vaccines that causes low vitamin C levels in tissue but not blood levels; hence, it is distinct from scurvy and used as a defense for people accused of causing shaken baby syndrome.
    And what on earth do you mean by “the so called human bodies tissues”? Are they alien bodies? Are they among us?

  • So which is it; are you actually that ignorant, or are you just simply and knowingly lying?

    Dr. Mohammad Ali Al-Bayati, PhD, DABT, DABVT Toxicologist & Pathologist
    Cases of Adverse Reactions to Vaccines Involving Children & Adults
    http://www.toxi-health.com/adversereactionstovaccines.html

    Families Ripped Apart By False Accusations of Child Abuse – Vaccine Injuries Often to Blame –
    http://medicalkidnap.com/2014/11/04/families-ripped-apart-by-false-accusations-of-child-abuse-vaccine-injuries-often-to-blame/

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

    New and recent developments, and information in regard to SBS.

    Published: March 20, 2015
    Shaken science
    A disputed diagnosis imprisons parents
    Prosecutors build murder cases on disputed Shaken Baby Syndrome diagnosis
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/shaken-baby-syndrome/

    And how many falsely accused parents and caregivers, do we yet need to get out of prisons?

    March 23, 2015
    When babies die, a disputed diagnosis sends parents to prison for abuse

    For decades, when a child appeared in an emergency room with certain symptoms, including bleeding behind the eyes and bleeding around the brain, many doctors assumed violent shaking to be the cause. But in recent years, the Shaken Baby Syndrome diagnosis has come under intense scrutiny, and so have many of the resulting prosecutions and convictions. Special correspondent Jackie Judd reports.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/babies-die-disputed-diagnosis-sends-parents-prison-abuse/

    New Film Exposes Shaken Baby Syndrome Myth – Opponents Want to Silence it at Film Festivals
    Shaken Baby Syndrome Can be Evidence of Vaccine-Induced Rickets
    http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/03/11/new-film-exposes-shaken-baby-syndrome-myth-opponents-want-to-silence-it-at-film-festivals/

    THE SYNDROME
    a feature investigative documentary
    http://thesyndromefilm.com/

    May 28, 2015
    Mainstream Media Finally Exposing Shaken Baby Syndrome as False Diagnosis – How Many Innocent Parents Have Suffered?
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/mainstream-media-finally-exposing-shaken-baby-syndrome-as-false-diagnosis-how-many-innocent-parents-have-suffered/

    Is Shaken Baby Syndrome Often Misdiagnosed and Caused by Vaccine-Induced Rickets?
    http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/01/06/is-shaken-baby-syndrome-often-misdiagnosed-and-caused-by-vaccine-induced-rickets/

    Many Experts Have Discredited Shaken Baby Syndrome. So Why Is Maria Mendez Still in Prison?
    http://www.laweekly.com/news/many-experts-have-discredited-shaken-baby-syndrome-so-why-is-maria-mendez-still-in-prison-4137146

    One of the sickest examples of vaccine industry corruption – Wyeth internal memo.

    Two of the most vaccine manufacturing industry damning pdf’s in history.

    Wyeth Memo- Redistribution of known DPT vaccine hot lot stock.
    http://www.ageofautism.com/files/wyeth79.pdf

    Another copy of the memo.
    http://www.rescuepost.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/11/wyeth79photo_3.jpg

    Proof that Big Pharma Doesn’t Care About Vaccine Harm, (The Wyeth Internal Memo)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/proof-that-big-pharma-doesnrsquot-care-about-vaccine-harm.html

    Dr Andrew Moulden speaking of the 40 cases of falsely accused shaken baby syndrome, they exonerated. (Yet he was falsely acussed of being crazy and a quack; who are the REAL, medical quacks?)
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbo5vf_health-canada-corruption-dr-andrew_news

  • I just linked a long list of directly relevant pathology reports to you. How do you explain those reports away?

    Clinical Medicine Research
    Autoimmune Tissue Scurvy Misdiagnosed as Child
    Abuse

    Michael D Innis
    MBBS; DTM&H; FRCPA; FRC Path. Retired Haematologist, Princess Alexandra Hospital, Brisbane, Australia

    Abstract: Requests from distressed parents and relatives seeking help after having been falsely accused by doctors of injuring their children are not uncommon. Viral and parasitic infections and vaccines cause an autoimmune disorder, Tissue Scurvy, misdiagnosed as child abuse. This report presents the evidence. Method. Relevant hospital and laboratory reports of three children were examined for evidence of Tissue Scurvy as the cause of the neurological lesions, fractures, bruises and hemorrhages found on them. Results. In all the cases in which appropriate histories and tests were done there was evidence that the doctors either misinterpreted the laboratory evidence or they were unaware of the significance of abnormal tests suggesting Tissue Scurvy as the cause. Conclusion. Some doctors are unaware of the pathophysiological processes of autoimmunity, haemostasis and osteogenesis and are misdiagnosing vaccine induced Tissue Scurvy, absence of Vitamin C within the cell, as Non-accidental Injury

    http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.cmr.20130206.17.pdf

    Vaccines, Apparent Life-Threatening Events,
    Barlow’s Disease, and Questions about
    “Shaken Baby Syndrome”
    Michael D. Innis, MBBS

    ABSTRACT
    Apparent Life-Threatening Events (ALTEs), as defined by the
    National Institutes of Health, encompass all the findings hitherto
    attributed to “Shaken Baby Syndrome” (SBS), and may follow
    routine vaccination. Vaccines may also induce vitamin C deficiency
    (Barlow’s disease), especially in formula-fed infants or infants
    whose mothers smoke. This could account for some of the changes
    seen in these infants, including hemorrhages, bruises, and
    fractures. Vitamin C deficiency should be excluded in patients
    suspected to have SBS

    http://www.jpands.org/vol11no1/innis.pdf

    Shaken Baby Syndrome Imprisonment by Misdiagnosis
    Jeffrey Dach MD (Referenced as well to other good articles and studies)
    http://jeffreydachmd.com/2015/06/shaken-baby-syndrome-imprisonment-by-misdiagnosis/

    Studies Prove That Thousands Of Babies Are Dying From Vaccine Induced Cot Death.
    http://sanevax.org/studies-prove-that-thousands-of-babies-are-dying-from-vaccine-induced-cot-death/

    AN INTERVIEW WITH DR. ARCHIE KALOKERINOS MD
    Dr Kris Gaublomme MD, Belgium, editor of the Ínternational Vaccination Newsletter, interviews Australian Dr A Kalokerinos MD, Australia; the interview was first published in the IVN in June 1995.
    http://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/an-interview-with-dr-archie-kalokerinos-md/

    As to as well another matter regarding vaccine caused death, here as well is another issue in regard to vaccine caused ischemia, and the resulting death of an infant.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/baby-ms-parents-vaccine-death-forensics-report.html

    World Renowned Neuropathologist has Career Destroyed for Disproving Shaken Baby Syndrome
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2016/world-renown-neuropathologist-has-career-destroyed-for-disproving-shaken-baby-syndrome/

    BMJ. 2004 Mar 27; 328(7442): 719–720.
    doi: 10.1136/bmj.328.7442.719
    PMCID: PMC381308
    The evidence base for shaken baby syndrome
    We need to question the diagnostic criteria
    J F Geddes, retired (formerly reader in clinical neuropathology, Queen Mary, University of London)
    London
    J Plunkett, forensic pathologist
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC381308/

    The Answer to Crib Death
    “Sudden Infant Death Syndrome” (SIDS)
    http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/hattersley-jg-j_orthomol_med-1993-v8-n4-p229.htm

    Thirteen Men in One Prison Jailed for “Shaken Baby Syndrome” After Possible Vaccine Injuries had Occurred
    http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/thirteen-men-in-one-prison-jailed-for-shaken-baby-syndrome-after-possible-vaccine-injuries-had-occurred/

    When babies die, a disputed diagnosis sends parents to prison for abuse

    For decades, when a child appeared in an emergency room with certain symptoms, including bleeding behind the eyes and bleeding around the brain, many doctors assumed violent shaking to be the cause. But in recent years, the Shaken Baby Syndrome diagnosis has come under intense scrutiny, and so have many of the resulting prosecutions and convictions. Special correspondent Jackie Judd reports.

    ​Read more:
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/babies-die-disputed-diagnosis-sends-parents-prison-abuse/

    Shaking: “A False and Flawed Premise” (Lots of info here)
    http://onsbs.com/2015/02/09/shaking-a-false-and-flawed-premise/

    Child Abuse or Rickets?
    A Special Interview with Dr. David Ayoub
    By Dr. Joseph Mercola
    http://jeffreydachmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Child-Abuse-or-Rickets-Interview-David-Ayoub.pdf

  • It may be a bit different only in the sense that typical scurvy is of course caused by less than an adequate dietary consumption of vitamin C, and vaccine caused scurvy is directly caused by rapid depletion of vitamin C reserves, due to vaccines, period. The studies I just posted explain this directly. Again, all you can do and are doing here is attempting to improperly and in obvious error, argue the meaning and definition of words and terms; and again you are losing that game, directly.

  • Wow, six likes on that post, and all of them are known shills and not actually honest and real people. How impressive. I guess you think somehow here, that the the pro-vax … “SHILLARY”…rules? When was the last time that any real person ever put a like on one of your posts?

  • Jesus baby

    We’re discussing “tissue scurvy”, Lowell/tripnasty84. Where in your 17 links is tissue scurvy proven to exist? (it isn’t)

  • How about posting something that stands on its own merits, On Its Own Merits? Still waiting.

  • Jesus baby

    “Viral and parasitic infections and vaccines cause an autoimmune disorder, Tissue Scurvy, misdiagnosed as child abuse.”
    Yes, Lowell/tripnasty84, Michael Innis wrote that. Where did he show proof tissue scurvy exists?

  • You can’t beat that; two shills, confused and arguing and in not knowing they are from the same full of denial and disinformation camp.

  • Well, again that certainly made a lot of sense? JG can’t understand the issue of the economics. As to the issues of denial and selective ignorance; what do you understand in regard to that? Obviously and deliberately, nothing.

  • Jesus baby

    They claim the tissues don’t take up vitamin C due to an autoimmune reaction to vaccines, not that vitamin C levels are depleted. You don’t even understand the quack theories you copy/paste, Lowell/tripnasty84. You just link-spam as a defense mechanism.
    Here’s the thing – if they claimed vaccines caused SCURVY, they’d have to show the kids who died had low vitamin C levels. But they don’t. So they make up the disease “tissue scurvy”.
    I know you’ll ignore all this (this is for the lurkers), but if you want to show tissue scurvy is real, you’ll have to show where they tested tissue samples from these kids and found low vitamin C levels. Are you going to do that or just spam more links, stick your fingers in your ears and scream, “Nothing would ever be enough”? (you’re going to just spam more links, stick your fingers in your ears and scream, “Nothing would ever be enough”.

  • Pertussis vaccination does not protect infants to young to be vaccinated. You better get caught up on your research, as its way behind. You are only spreading false fear mongering misinformation in the attempt to get parents to vaccinate.

    Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model

    Abstract
    Pertussis is a highly contagious respiratory illness caused by the bacterial pathogen Bordetella pertussis. Pertussis rates in the United States have been rising and reached a 50-y high of 42,000 cases in 2012. Although pertussis resurgence is not completely understood, we hypothesize that current acellular pertussis (aP) vaccines fail to prevent colonization and transmission. To test our hypothesis, infant baboons were vaccinated at 2, 4, and 6 mo of age with aP or whole-cell pertussis (wP) vaccines and challenged with B. pertussis at 7 mo. Infection was followed by quantifying colonization in nasopharyngeal washes and monitoring leukocytosis and symptoms. Baboons vaccinated with aP were protected from severe pertussis-associated symptoms but not from colonization, did not clear the infection faster than naïve animals, and readily transmitted B. pertussis to unvaccinated contacts. Vaccination with wP induced a more rapid clearance compared with naïve and aP-vaccinated animals. By comparison, previously infected animals were not colonized upon secondary infection. Although all vaccinated and previously infected animals had robust serum antibody responses, we found key differences in T-cell immunity. Previously infected animals and wP-vaccinated animals possess strong B. pertussis-specific T helper 17 (Th17) memory and Th1 memory, whereas aP vaccination induced a Th1/Th2 response instead. The observation that aP, which induces an immune response mismatched to that induced by natural infection, fails to prevent colonization or transmission provides a plausible explanation for the resurgence of pertussis and suggests that optimal control of pertussis will require the development of improved vaccines.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/11/20/1314688110.abstract

    Nonhuman Primate Model of Pertussis

    Our results demonstrate that the baboon provides an excellent model of clinical pertussis that will allow researchers to investigate pertussis pathogenesis and disease progression, evaluate currently licensed vaccines, and develop improved vaccines and therapeutics.

    http://iai.asm.org/content/80/4/1530.full​

    Pertussis Vaccine Study Shatters Illusion of Vaccine-Induced Immunity
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/12/10/whooping-cough-pertussis-vaccine.aspx

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • Citations needed to show and prove the safety of aluminum adjuvants in general; do you have any? How about as well in regard to multiple vaccines given in the same day and office visit, and as well over an extended period of time?

    Aluminum has been exempted from testing for safety by the FDA under a convoluted logic wherein it is classified as GRAS. (Generally Regarded As Safe.) It has never been tested by the FDA on its safety and there are NO restrictions whatever on the amount or use of aluminum. Diseases Associated with Aluminium Intoxication. H. Tomlinson, M.B., Ch.B., MRCS., LRCP. Since that time thousands of studies have been published indicating aluminum is involved in neurological dysfunction, immunocompetence, as well as a host of other morbidities.

    http://www.raysahelian.com/aluminum.html

    Rivers of Life and Death Part 4 – Vitamin C and Vascular Disease -Vaccination Induced Blood Poisoning
    http://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=3729

  • You can find that right in the very first pathology link, and you obviously didn’t even bother to review any of this information. You just simply replied without reviewing anything at all.

  • Ah, here’s the liar, making more of his false accusations…

  • Jesus baby

    So you don’t have squat do you?

  • Jesus baby

    I don’t see what you’re talking about so just link it now.

  • You of course can not understand something that you deliberately attempt to misunderstand, and refuse to understand. You as well would be best advised to first read all of the replies I have posted to you, and as to as well reviewing that information, and that before you simply spout off with more of your repeated and refuse to get it, nonsense.

    Clinical Medicine Research
    Autoimmune Tissue Scurvy Misdiagnosed as Child Abuse
    Michael D Innis
    MBBS; DTM&H; FRCPA; FRC Path. Retired Haematologist, Princess Alexandra Hospital, Brisbane, Australia

    Abstract: Requests from distressed parents and relatives seeking help after having been falsely accused by doctors of injuring their children are not uncommon. Viraland parasitic infections andvaccinescause an autoimmune disorder, Tissue Scurvy, misdiagnosed as child abuse. This report presents the evidence. Method. Relevant hospital and laboratory reports of
    three children were examined for evidence of Tissue Scurvy as the cause of the neurological lesions, fractures, bruises and hemorrhages found on them. Results. In all the cases in which appropriate histories and tests were done there was evidence that the doctors either misinterpreted the laboratory evidence or they were unaware of the significance of abnormal tests
    suggesting Tissue Scurvy as the cause. Conclusion. Some doctors are unaware of the pathophysiological processes of autoimmunity, haemostasis and osteogenesis and are misdiagnosing vaccine induced Tissue Scurvy, absence of Vitamin C within the cell, as Non-accidental Injury.

    http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.cmr.20130206.17.pdf

    New Study Shows US Prosecution “Hot Spots” of Parents Gaoled for Battered Babies They Did Not Batter Shake or Injure: New Paper “Autoimmune Tissue Scurvy Misdiagnosed as Child Abuse”
    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2014/03/02/new-study-shows-us-prosecution-hot-spots-of-parents-gaoled-for-battered-babies-they-did-not-batter-shake-or-injure-new-paper-autoimmune-tissue-scurvy-misdiagnosed-as-child-abuse/

    Vaccines, Apparent Life-Threatening Events,
    Barlow’s Disease, and Questions about
    “Shaken Baby Syndrome”

    ABSTRACT
    Apparent Life-Threatening Events (ALTEs), as defined by the
    National Institutes of Health, encompass all the findings hitherto
    attributed to “Shaken Baby Syndrome” (SBS), and may follow
    routine vaccination. Vaccines may also induce vitamin C deficiency
    (Barlow’s disease), especially in formula-fed infants or infants
    whose mothers smoke. This could account for some of the changes
    seen in these infants, including hemorrhages, bruises, and
    fractures. Vitamin C deficiency should be excluded in patients
    suspected to have SBS.

    http://www.jpands.org/vol11no1/innis.pdf

    Shaken Baby Syndrome Imprisonment by Misdiagnosis
    Jeffrey Dach MD (Referenced as well to other good articles and studies)
    http://jeffreydachmd.com/2015/06/shaken-baby-syndrome-imprisonment-by-misdiagnosis/

    Acta Paediatr. 2009 Nov; 98(11): 1768–1775.
    Cholinergic and oxidative stress mechanisms in sudden infant death syndrome
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2773533/

    Conversations With Dr. A. Norman Guthkelch

    Retired pediatric neurosurgeon Dr. A. Norman Guthkelch was the first person to propose in print, in the British Medical Journal in 1971, that shaking an infant could cause subdural hematoma. He is now trying to straighten out what he considers a “horrifying” misinterpretation of his work in court.

    Dr. Guthkelch was invited to address accused families at the 2013 conference sponsored by the Evidence Based Medicine and Social Investigation Group (EBMSI), a coalition of parents who have survived false accusations and now offer help to the newly accused. His health prevented him from traveling, so we conducted a series of conversations, which I edited into a 22-minute video to show at the conference.

    Read more:
    https://onsbs.com/2014/08/20/conversations-with-dr-a-norman-guthkelch/

    Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and The Vitamin C Connection
    http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/161-sudden-infant-death-syndrome-and-the-vitamin-c-connection.html

    Eradicate Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) Now!
    http://www.healthy-again.net/sids.htm

    Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS): Major Causes are Known but Ignored
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/sudden-infant-death-syndrome-sids-major-causes-are-known-but-ignored/

    Studies Prove That Thousands Of Babies Are Dying From Vaccine Induced Cot Death.
    http://sanevax.org/studies-prove-that-thousands-of-babies-are-dying-from-vaccine-induced-cot-death/

    NICU Nurse with 30 Years Experience Quits Over Premature Infants Being Harmed by Vaccines
    http://circleofdocs.com/nicu-nurse-with-30-years-experience-quits-over-premature-infants-being-harmed-by-vaccines/

    A FRONTLINE NURSE’S VIEW OF THE VACCINE DAMAGE COVER-UP
    http://healthyfamiliesforgod.com/2015/11/er-nurse-shares-experiences-vaccine-reactions/

    http://credence.org/ECpages/?page_id=3537

  • BikeIce

    Unfortunately this law exempted all physicians who administer vaccines as well. Everyone has been funneled into the government controlled, no jury “Vaccine Court” which works essentially as a protection racquet to keep the Big Pharma profits flowing into the government pension plans and coffers.

  • Do I really need to spoon feed you what you continue to deny? Read the study.

  • What you can see here is that to many vaccines given can cause multiple types of deficiencies, and abnormal changes in the blood and protein levels. You need to get the tissue scurvy information from the other sources and studies I have posted throughout my replied with information and in regard to my reply posts here. Again, you can not understand what you refuse to understand.

    Vaccines adversely affecting necessary vitamin D levels.

    b) Huda received 7 vaccines on July 7, 2008 that caused inflammation
    and systemic edema and the release of vitamin
    D, 1, 25-dihydroxy by inflammatory cells. Huda’s serum
    level of vitamin D, 1, 25-dihydroxy on July 14th was 166
    pg/mL (369% of average normal). Vitamin D, 1, 25-
    dihydroxy has known to stimulate osteoclasts and increases
    bone resorption

    Read more:
    http://justiceforej.com/AlBayati-HudaSharif.pdf

    Vitamin K
    http://www.medicalveritas.com/manAlbayati9.pdf

  • It is actually you that doesn’t have, squat. When you get done reviewing all that, then you can as well get started on answering these questions in regard to the existing vaccine safety study science. Let me know when you can come up with as well anything but and more than just squat, to answer those study questions?

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • As to your own major level of obviously twisted and lying sickness; how and why did you become that way?

  • Jesus baby

    Lowell/tripnasty84, all you have to do is show where someone found low tissue levels and normal blood levels of vitamin C, even this quack Innis. Where did he do that? You can link-spam until you’re blue in the face for all I care.

  • Jesus baby

    I read it, Lowell/tripnasty84. There is no mention of testing tissue for vitamin C. If you can find a chart or an explanatory paragraph well just pull that sucker out and copy/paste it. That’s the only thing you’re good at anyway. But you know what? You won’t.

  • Again, read the study; and I am not here to spoon feed you the studies information, or any other information that has been posted. I know that you refer to yourself as a baby, but you have to feed yourself.

  • Jesus baby

    Lowell/tripnasty84, we aren’t talking about vitamins D or K. Scurvy is vitamin C deficiency.

    “You need to get the tissue scurvy information from the other sources and studies I have posted…”
    If it was there (it isn’t) you’d have copy/pasted it by now. But you’re just going to play your little games.

  • Jesus baby

    Thanks for confirming you are just talking out of your a$$ again.

  • Jesus baby

    I read the link, Lowell/tripnasty84. He didn’t measure vitamin C levels. If he’s gonna claim there’s a new disease where tissues can’t take up vitamin C, he’s gonna have to show the tissues have low vitamin C. This is why his theory has only been accepted by…defense lawyers. And you.

  • If you are saying that the cause of death of these individuals is not what the study authors claims to that they are, then what in your personal expertise, Jesus baby …do YOU claim to as the cause of these deaths? Go ahead and explain that in detail?

    Abstract: Requests from distressed parents and relatives seeking help after having been falsely accused by doctors of
    injuring their children are not uncommon. Viraland parasitic infections andvaccinescause an autoimmune disorder, Tissue
    Scurvy, misdiagnosed as child abuse. This report presents the evidence. Method. Relevant hospital and laboratory reports of
    three children were examined for evidence of Tissue Scurvy as the cause of the neurological lesions, fractures, bruises and
    hemorrhages found on them. Results. In all the cases in which appropriate histories and tests were done there was evidence
    that the doctors either misinterpreted the laboratory evidence or they were unaware of the significance of abnormal tests
    suggesting Tissue Scurvy as the cause. Conclusion. Some doctors are unaware of the pathophysiological processes of
    autoimmunity, haemostasis and osteogenesis and are misdiagnosing vaccine induced Tissue Scurvy, absence of Vitamin C within the cell, as Non-accidental Injury.

    1. Introduction
    At a conference on Encephalitis held in Cardiff in 1928
    [1] the Pathologist Hubert Turnbull stated “I understand
    that the primary subject of the discussion is the nature of
    encephalomyelitis following vaccination. It is no longer
    necessary to argue that an encephalomyelitis is sometimes a
    complication of vaccination. The exact cause of the
    encephalomyelitis need only be discussed.”
    A plausible explanation for the encephalomyelitis
    following vaccination which Hubert M Turnbull sought to
    address is provided by the work of Wakefield et al; who
    showed Urinary Methylmalonic Acid was significantly
    raised in all eight children vaccinated with the MMR
    vaccine who were tested, compared with age-matched
    controls (p=0·003) [2].
    Raised urinary methylmalonic acid is a confirmatory test
    for Vitamin B12 deficiency [3]. A deficiency of Vitamin
    B12 is the result of an autoimmune reaction[4] destroying
    the parietal cells in the stomach thereby inhibiting the
    uptake of Vitamin B12 in the diet.
    “Shaken Baby Syndrome or Vaccine Induced
    Encephalitis” was the subject of an extensive review by
    Buttram [5] where he draws attention to the work of others
    on the subject of demyelination of the central nervous

    system following the administration of vaccines.
    The suggestion by Yazbak [6] that an autoimmune
    reaction was the basis of adverse vaccine reactions
    anticipated subsequent observationsand proved to be
    correct. He stated, “resuming routine vaccination of the
    newborn period with a Thiomerosal – free vaccine will not
    be prudent, as the reported reactions seem auto-immune,
    and do not suggest a heavy metal poisoning”.
    Yazbak’s suggestion of an autoimmune reaction and that
    of Herroelen, de Keyser and Ebinger [7] who reported 2
    patients had neurological symptoms and signs, with
    evidence of central-nervous-system demyelination, 6 weeks
    after administration of recombinant hepatitis B vaccine
    suggesting the time interval would fit a proposed
    immunological mechanism is further explored here.
    The late Dr Archie Kalokerinos was the first to point out
    that Tissue Scurvy was the cause of what doctors were
    calling Shaken Baby Syndrome. In his book, Every Second
    Child, he said, “during one trial the prosecution said scurvy
    was no longer seen. I replied – “yes it is, but it is not called
    ‘scurvy’ it is called Shaken Baby Syndrome”[8]. By
    reducing or delaying immunization he was able to reduce
    the mortality in infants.
    Tissue Scurvy, unlike the “Seafarer Scurvy” of
    yesteryear, is a condition in which Vitamin C is abundant in

    the blood but is unable to enter the cell because of a lack of
    Insulin which is required to transfer the Vitamin C into the
    cell.
    Normally insulin binds to its receptor on the cell surface
    and initiates a chain of events that leads to the insertion in
    the plasma membrane of a transmembrane glucose
    transporter called GLUT 4 which facilitates the transport of
    Vitamin C, glucose and other nutrients into the cell [9].
    Within the cell Vitamin C functions as an antioxidant
    blocking the damage caused by free radicals, a product of
    cellular metabolism, and ensures normal cellular function.
    Tissue Scurvy is the resultof a failure of this process.[10]
    Tissue Scurvy involving the liver cells (hepatocytes)
    leads to under carboxylation of the extrinsic coagulation
    factors and osteocalcin resulting in bruises, hemorrhages,
    fractures and encephalopathy [11] – the so-called “triad” of
    Non-accidental Injury.
    The many faces of Tissue Scurvy in Childhood include
    Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, alleged Non-accidental
    Injury, Shaken Baby Syndrome, Abusive Head Trauma,
    Inflicted Brain Injury, Reye’s Syndrome, Kawasaki Disease,
    Anaphylaxis and Diabetes Type 1.[12]
    All have one feature in common – hyperglycemia, the
    signature of Insulin deficiency resulting from vaccines, and
    other forms of antigenic stress which damage the Beta cells
    of the Islets of Langerhans resulting inhypoinsulinemia and
    Tissue Scurvy.
    Regrettably doctors in the English speaking world are
    taught “abused infants may have bleeding around the brain
    and in the eyes – the hallmarks of SBS but most also bear
    signs of the violence which killed them, fractures, bruises,
    burns, malnutrition or neglect”[13].
    Adding to the problem is “the American justice system is
    not designed to determine scientific truth but, rather, to
    balance contested facts and bring closure to a dispute”[14],
    and the systems in the UK, Australia, Canada and New
    Zealand would appear to be similarly afflicted.
    It is precisely this failure to seek the truth that is
    destroying the lives of hundreds, perhaps thousands of
    innocent familiesand the American justice system and
    others are urgently in need of change.
    Reviewed here are some instances in which a father,
    family member, or caretaker has been accused of causing
    the death of an infant or child from Shaken Baby Syndrome
    while the true cause of death was an autoimmune reaction.
    Doctors making these accusations are inadequately
    trained in the pathophysiological processes of Hemostasis
    and Osteogenesis which require thecarboxylation of
    Osteocalcin and some Clotting factors, a process which
    takes place in the liver and which is essential for the
    efficient clotting of blood and the prevention of fractures.
    Sometimes blood tests are done showing defects in Liver
    Function but the results are completely ignored or their
    significance misunderstood and the unfortunate parent
    bears the consequences of the doctor’s ignorance.

    5. Conclusion
    In all three cases there is clear evidence that an
    autoimmune response to an antigen, virus, parasite or
    vaccine caused hypoinsulinism which led to Tissue Scurvy
    and Tissue Scurvy is frequently misdiagnosed as Shaken
    Baby Syndrome, Abusive Head Trauma, Inflicted Brain
    Injury or Non-accidental Injury. The late Dr Mark Struthers
    reminds us that infantile scurvy, brought to our attention
    byDr Archie Kalokerinos, is a potential cause of false
    allegations of child abuse.
    A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its
    opponents and making them see the light, but rather
    because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation
    grows up that is familiar with it. (T.S. Kuhn, the Structure
    of Scientific Revolutions).
    “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is
    ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is
    accepted as self-evident”. Arthur Schopenhauer

  • Its so nice to see you making a complete fool out of yourself, again. Deny it all you want.

  • Says the liar who never backs up his false accusations, and runs away like the coward he is every time he’s called on it…

  • What a fool. You should just stop reply posting and before you look any worse.

  • He never does…

  • Jesus baby

    Whether or not I explain multiple causes of death has no bearing on whether “tissue scurvy” exists, Lowell/tripnasty84.

  • Jesus baby

    :) Lowell/tripnasty84 gets owned and declares victory!

  • Jesus baby

    And again after getting owned Lowell/tripnasty84 claims victory! This is too easy.

  • June

    Thanks for demonstrating your ability to copy and paste an article about baboons.
    In humans, studies show the pertussis vaccine has a 100% failure rate when not administered.

  • Nope. I’ve read the actual law.

  • FallsAngel

    Damn straight! We sure had that pounded into our heads as providers that we could still be held liable for our mistakes.

  • BikeIce

    Well if that were true, there should be THOUSANDS of malpractice attorneys suing doctors for vaccine injuries. We should see TV ads by these guys with their 800 numbers like you see for all the PI lawyers. I have yet to read of even ONE case that was not adjudicated outside of the federal government’s Vaccine Court. I am guessing anyone who files a malpractice case against a physician who damages a baby or child with a vaccine is booted out of the legal system and told to file with the Vaccine Court. If you can find and example where it was litigated in the normal fashion, I would love to see it.

  • sabelmouse

    getting owned? how old are you? a member of nerdfighters?

  • AutismDadd

    So because your children weren’t harmed no child is? We hear that a lot from pro-vaccine fanatics. Narrow mindedness isn’t science.

  • AutismDadd

    No one dies as a direct result of this so called movement. And all you are doing is is showing what a loon you are. If it wasn’t for the mismanagement of vaccines, their efficacy and safety, parents wouldn’t fear for their child’s well being either way. So place your anger where it belongs, with the system.

  • So…you think the lawyers should be advertising equally, the parts where they’re paid win or lose and the parts where they have to win to get paid?

    It would depend on what they are claiming:

    A doctor knowingly damages a baby with a vaccine (malpractice suit)
    A doctor uses a vaccine that isn’t 100% safe (Design defect, covered and would have to go through NVICP first.)
    A doctor uses a vaccine that is made wrongly in some way (Manufacturing defect, not covered)
    Labelling defect (also, not covered)
    Petition rejected/found not -compensationable (can sue)

    And no, the fact that people DON’T doesn’t prove that they CAN’T.

    Here:

    You can sue a vaccine manufacturer. The supreme court has not “shielded” them from product liability.

    The law only says that you have to go through the vaccine courts *first* before you can sue under the tort system. Even then, certain things are not protected under the vaccine court and can be brought directly through the court system without having to first go through the NVICP. Manufacturing and labeling defects, for example.

    “Under the NVICP, those claiming a vaccine injury from a covered vaccine cannot sue a vaccine manufacturer without FIRST filing a claim with the U.S. Court of Federal Claims. Certain medical events are presumed to be side effects of vaccination as long as no other cause is found. The claim filer is reimbursed according to a formula, provided that all the medical records meet NCVIA standards and that review by the U.S. Department of Justice determines that all legal standards have been met. If a claim is denied, or if the claim is approved and the claimant rejects the compensation, only then may the claimant file a civil lawsuit.”

    “11. How does the VICP protect vaccine administrators and vaccine manufacturers?
    The Act requires that vaccine injury claims involving covered vaccines given on or after October 1, 1988 must first be filed with the VICP before civil litigation through the tort system can be pursued. If a petitioner accepts an award under the VICP, the claim cannot be brought subsequently to the tort system.”

    and:

    “12. Under what circumstances may a vaccine administrator or manufacturer be sued?
    a. If the petition has been judged non-compensable or dismissed under the VICP; or
    b. If the award granted by the VICP is otherwise rejected by the petitioner; or
    c. If the vaccine is not covered under the VICP.”

    http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-injury-compensation-programs
    http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-injury-compensation-programs
    http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2013/02/liar-liar-pants-on-fire.html

    Note that a claim that a doctor injected someone with poison would not be a vaccine injury but a malpractice suit.

  • FallsAngel

    The real reason you don’t see this stuff on TV is that there really are NOT all these “vaccine injuries”. Another reason is that WRT side effects, you do have to go through vaccine court first, and you’re more likely to win there, and get your lawyer’s expenses paid.

  • BikeIce

    There are THOUSANDS of vaccine injured kids every year. You are very unlikely to win in “vaccine court” as it is run by the government who is in bed with Big Pharma, protecting their products. Only one out of 10 vaccine injured children actually win in this bogus “court.” If you “win” it takes years and years to prevail……….it’s a totally corrupt system that is doing the exact opposite of what it was set up to do.

  • Jesus baby

    Totally. Pwned.

  • FallsAngel

    Here is the Pentacel package insert. Please show me where it says “possible reactions on the 7th day” and where it says ANYTHING about brain bleeds caused by the vaccine.
    http://novaccine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/pentacel_E_package_insert.pdf

  • What? See if you can actually post something that is actually in some form, yet coherent?

  • June

    No, that is the way anti-vaxxers seem to rationalize; “this happened to me, or this happened to a friend of my uncle’s sister-in-law’s brother so it must be true”. My n of 3 doesn’t prove vaccines are safe and effective, but decades of scientific data does.

  • June
  • The only person playing refuse to get it games here, is you.

    Autoimmune Tissue Scurvy Misdiagnosed as Child
    Abuse
    Michael D Innis
    MBBS; DTM&H; FRCPA; FRC Path. Retired Haematologist, Princess Alexandra Hospital, Brisbane, Australia

    Excerpts:

    The late Dr Archie Kalokerinos was the first to point out
    that Tissue Scurvy was the cause of what doctors were
    calling Shaken Baby Syndrome. In his book, Every Second
    Child, he said, “during one trial the prosecution said scurvy
    was no longer seen. I replied – “yes it is, but it is not called
    ‘scurvy’ it is called Shaken Baby Syndrome”[8]. By
    reducing or delaying immunization he was able to reduce
    the mortality in infants.

    Tissue Scurvy, unlike the “Seafarer Scurvy” of
    yesteryear, is a condition in which Vitamin C is abundant in
    the blood but is unable to enter the cell because of a lack of
    Insulin which is required to transfer the Vitamin C into the
    cell.

    Normally insulin binds to its receptor on the cell surface
    and initiates a chain of events that leads to the insertion in
    the plasma membrane of a transmembrane glucose
    transporter called GLUT 4 which facilitates the transport of
    Vitamin C, glucose and other nutrients into the cell [9].
    Within the cell Vitamin C functions as an antioxidant
    blocking the damage caused by free radicals, a product of
    cellular metabolism, and ensures normal cellular function.
    Tissue Scurvy is the result of a failure of this process.[10]
    Tissue Scurvy involving the liver cells (hepatocytes)
    leads to under carboxylation of the extrinsic coagulation
    factors and osteocalcin resulting in bruises, hemorrhages,
    fractures and encephalopathy [11] – the so-called “triad” of
    Non-accidental Injury.

    The many faces of Tissue Scurvy in Childhood include
    Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, alleged Non-accidental
    Injury, Shaken Baby Syndrome, Abusive Head Trauma,
    Inflicted Brain Injury, Reye’s Syndrome, Kawasaki Disease,
    Anaphylaxis and Diabetes Type 1.[12]

    All have one feature in common – hyperglycemia, the
    signature of Insulin deficiency resulting from vaccines, and
    other forms of antigenic stress which damage the Beta cells
    of the Islets of Langerhans resulting in hypoinsulinemia and
    Tissue Scurvy.

    Regrettably doctors in the English speaking world are
    taught “abused infants may have bleeding around the brain
    and in the eyes – the hallmarks of SBS but most also bear
    signs of the violence which killed them, fractures, bruises,
    burns, malnutrition or neglect”[13].

    Adding to the problem is “the American justice system is
    not designed to determine scientific truth but, rather, to
    balance contested facts and bring closure to a dispute”[14],
    and the systems in the UK, Australia, Canada and New
    Zealand would appear to be similarly afflicted.
    It is precisely this failure to seek the truth that is
    destroying the lives of hundreds, perhaps thousands of
    innocent families and the American justice system and
    others are urgently in need of change.

    Autoimmune Tissue Scurvy Misdiagnosed as Child
    Abuse
    Michael D Innis
    MBBS; DTM&H; FRCPA; FRC Path. Retired Haematologist, Princess Alexandra Hospital, Brisbane, Australia
    http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.cmr.20130206.17.pdf

    https://onsbs.com/tissue-scurvy-misdiagnosed-as-child-abuse/

    http://www.sciencepublishinggroup.com/journal/paperinfo.aspx?journalid=151&doi=10.11648/j.cmr.20130206.17

    Vaccine-Induced Tissue Scurvy Globally Misdiagnosed as Child Abuse
    https://vactruth.com/2014/03/19/tissue-scurvy-not-child-abuse/

    Shaken Baby Syndrome Imprisonment by Misdiagnosis
    http://jeffreydachmd.com/2015/06/shaken-baby-syndrome-imprisonment-by-misdiagnosis/

    Tissue scurvy misdiagnosed as child abuse

    Author: Michael D. Innis

    Abstract:
    Background: It is postulated that Tissue Scurvy is a disorder in a genetically susceptible child in whom the cellular uptake of Vitamin C is inhibited following pancreatic β cell destruction causing Insulin deficiency. Insulin is required for the transfer of Vitamin C and Glucose into the cell for efficient cellular function. Failure of this process causes Tissue Scurvy which is mistaken for Non-accidental Injury (Shaken Baby Syndrome) with serious consequences for the care giver.

    Method: A child presenting with the signs and symptoms suggestive of Non-accidental injuries was investigated for evidence of insulin deficiency and Liver dysfunction.

    Result: It was found that there was evidence of hyperglycaemia, implying insulin deficiency, and Liver dysfunction, as shown by abnormal liver function tests. Liver dysfunction implies defective γ-carboxylation of the Coagulation Factors II, VII, IX and X and the bone forming proteins Osteocalcin and matrix Gla Protein thus predisposing to spontaneous bleeding and fractures.

    Conclusion: Tissue Scurvy is an autoimmune disorder in a genetically susceptible child resulting from destruction of the β cells of the Pancreas which causes insulin deficiency and failure of the cellular uptake of Vitamin C and Glucose. Hyperglycaemia and Liver dysfunction are constant biochemical findings and bleeding and fractures common and can be mistaken for child abuse. Viral, bacterial and parasitic infections may initiate the process.

    Download PDF:
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    SHAKEN BABY SYNDROME: WHERE ARE WE TODAY?

    I am frankly quite disturbed that what I intended as a friendly suggestion for avoiding injury to children has become an excuse for imprisoning innocent parents.
    Dr. Norman Guthkelch. Originator of the shaken baby hypothesis

    The Shaken Baby Syndrome is a fabricated diagnosis and has no place in medical jurisprudence.
    Haematologist Michael D. Innis

    SBS – WHERE ARE WE TODAY?

    As doctors Rachel Berger and Thomas McGinn explain in a recent edition of Pediatric Critical Care Medicine, “Determining when to screen for Abusive Head Trauma can be difficult; a plethora of data demonstrate that physicians’ decisions about when to screen for child abuse, in general, and AHT, in particular, are biased by patient race and socioeconomic status and professional experience.”8

    As of 2014, clear standards for the identification of the retinal hemorrhages hypothesized to be related to SBS had yet to emerge. As a group of physicians specializing in Ophthalmology explains it, much of the problem is that many investigators “have used their own, unvalidated, unique systems to grade or describe hemorrhages for the purpose of single studies in a wide variety of conditions associated with retinal hemorrhage.”

    Their ultimate conclusions was that, “Perhaps the greatest limitation to the development of any retinal hemorrhage documentation tool is the absence of a ‘gold standard.’ Even experienced examiners may differ at the bedside as to the type of hemorrhage or whether a given area has a certain number of hemorrhages.”9

    As of 2014, there was a “lack of definitive evidence from studies conducted to date” concerning the suitability of certain inflammatory markers that are routinely used as forensic markers of traumatic head injury. Esther Jack and colleagues arrive at this conclusion after investigating 33 cases of non-traumatic infant deaths, finding that the inflammatory markers frequently associated with inflicted traumatic head injury were present in all 33 cases. Their findings support what they describe as “the recommendation of cautious interpretation” with respect to such findings in forensic cases.10

    A hastily drawn finding of shaken baby syndrome may well prove fatal, as the opportunity to provide life-saving treatments may be obscured.

    Writing in the peer reviewed journal Clinical Medicine Research, retired Haematologist Michael D. Innis describes a recent case involving a child alleged to have been murdered by being shaken to death. His report “concerns a child who was vaccinated with the MMR and other vaccines and developed autoimmune diabetes and associated Tissue Scurvy a week later which was misdiagnosed as Shaken Baby Syndrome and the carer found guilty of murder and incarcerated.”

    The child was subsequently found to have hyperglycemia, implying insulin deficiency and concomitant Tissue Scurvy. Innis explains that, “No Laboratory Investigations were done when the bruise was noticed which is very unusual and an opportunity to treat the disorder was missed.”

    After a thoroughgoing analysis of the literature, Innis arrives at the conclusion that, “The Shaken Baby Syndrome is a fabricated diagnosis and has no place in medical jurisprudence.”11

    While some progress seems to have been made outside of the United States, the nation has itself been slow to respond to emerging scientific evidence, Deborah Tuerkheimer noted in 2009. In announcing the formation of what she described as the next Innocence Project in Washington University Law Review, Tuerkheimer explained that,

    Outside the United States, this scientific evolution has prompted systemic reevaluations of the prosecutorial paradigm. In contrast, our criminal justice system has failed to absorb the latest scientific knowledge. This is beginning to change, yet the response has been halting and inconsistent.12

    HOW WE ARRIVED HERE

    Read more;
    http://liftingtheveil.org/special-reports/shaken-baby-syndrome-where-are-we-today/

    Title
    Medical Delusion – Shaken Baby Syndrome
    Michael D Innis FRCPA; FRCPath
    Retired Haematologist
    Princess Alexandra Hospital Brisbane Australia

    Fiona Godlee, Editor of the BMJ, has concluded that: “The profession must take the lead to protect patients and maintain public trust”, so to maintain public trust let us start with the Shaken Baby Syndrome -a public scandal in need of correction.

    The basis of the Shaken Baby Syndrome allegation is the presence of subdural haematomas, swelling of the brain with ischaemic changes and haemorrhagic contusions in the cortex of the right and left superior frontal gyri of the brain. The brain and spinal cord of the child are said to generally show evidence of old and recent injury.

    This condition in which the carers of the child can offer no explanation for fractures, bruises, retinal and cerebral haemorrhages with ischaemic encephalopathy was given the name “Shaken Baby Syndrome” as vigorous shaking was thought to be the most likely explanation of the lesions.
    In a recent case [1] the child in question showed an elevation of the level of Glucose in the blood and the presence of Glucose in the urine indicating a deficiency of circulating Insulin.

    Insulin. secreted by the β cells of the Pancreas, is required for the transport of both Glucose and Vitamin C from the Blood into the cells [2] and a lack of it thereby causes a functional impairment of the cells involved in the Coagulation and Skeletal Systems with spontaneous bleeding and fractures an inevitable consequence.

    In this case it was most probably an autoimmune response to antigenic stimulation which destroyed the β cells of the Pancreas and hence Insulin deficiency.

    Until the Medical Profession realizes that the Shaken Baby Syndrome is a metabolic disorder unrelated to violence there is a danger of falsely accusing innocent people.

    Here the authenticity of the diagnosis “Shaken Baby Syndrome” is investigated by examining the consequences of Liver damage causing an alteration of the coagulation process.

    The term “Shaken Baby Syndrome” was initially used by a Neurosurgeon to explain intracranial haemorrhages in children. (Letters. BMJ Vol 310 17th June 1995).

    His opinion spread among doctors who ignored the pathophysiology of haemostasis and ontogenesis involved in the process.

    The blood coagulation proteins Factors II, VII, IX and X and the bone forming proteins osteocalcin and matrix Gla protein, to be functionally active and prevent spontaneous bleeding and spontaneous fractures, must be carboxylated by the Vitamin K dependent enzyme γ glutamyl carboxylase(3) a process which takes place in the Liver. Either Liver dysfunction or Vitamin K deficiency will result in spontaneous bleeding and fractures (4) misinterpreted as the Shaken Baby Syndrome.

    Main-stream Medical opinion has imbibed the Shaken Baby concept whole-heartedly causing considerable distress and anxiety in the general population while the true explanation, antigen induced autoimmune reaction, is ignored.

    Case Report.
    A man was convicted for the murder of a child and sentenced to life imprisonment on the evidence of doctors who alleged she was shaken to death. The basis of this allegation was the presence of a subdural haematoma, swelling of the brain with ischaemic changes and haemorrhagic contusions in the cortex of the right and left superior frontal gyri of the brain. The brain and spinal cord showed evidence of old and recent injury which were attributed to “Non-accidental Injury” caused by her being “vigorously shaken”.

    The condition in which the carers of the child could offer no explanation for fractures, bruises, retinal and cerebral haemorrhages with ischaemic encephalopathy was given the diagnosis “Shaken Baby Syndrome” in 1971 by the neurosurgeon who could offer no other explanation for the lesions.
    The child had a disorder of the coagulation system as shown by a raised INR of 1.3(NR <1.2) an APTT of 39.6.(NR <39.0) which would explain the brain and other haemorrhages but the evidence was ignored by the doctors alleging murder.

    Their preoccupation with the Shaken Baby Syndrome hypothesis also ignored the elevation of the level of Glucose in the blood and the presence of Glucose in the urine of the child. Both these features are manifestations of an autoimmune response to antigenic stimulation which destroyed the β cells of the Pancreas resulting in a reduction of Insulin and hence the transport of glucose and Vitamin C into the cell. In this case it was most probably the vaccines given to the infant a few days prior to her falling ill which initiated the process. A simple skin “scratch test” may help to identify individuals sensitive to a particular vaccine and may help to avoid similar disasters.

    Until the Medical Profession realizes that the Shaken Baby Syndrome is a slanderous, ignorant, fabricated diagnosis without a shred of scientific evidence they are going to continue to falsely accuse and destroy the lives of innocent people
    The child had an elevated Blood Glucose and also Glucose in her Urine features which confirm Insulin deficiency initiated the onset of Tissue Scurvy [2].

    The biologically plausible mechanism that would potentially directly link an event occurring toward the end of May 2012 and the child’s presentation with severe (indeed fatal) encephalopathic illness at the end of July is the MMR vaccine administered on 25th May 2012 Tissue Scurvy can be induced by vaccines and causes the signs and symptoms found in this child..

    The infant had Biochemical as well as Anatomical lesions. The Biochemical lesions of Hyperglycaemia, Glycosuria, Coagulation Abnormality (INR 1,3, APTT 39.6) all suggest an Autoimmune Disorder [2]

    The Hospital Records and Pathology Report show a severe coagulopathy:
    1. INR (International Normalized Ratio) 1.3 (Normal Range 2 – 4.5)
    2. APTT (Accelerated Partial Thromboplastin Time) 39.6 sec (Normal 27-35 sec)

    These results indicate that a Coagulopathy is present due to the reduction in the Clotting factors XII, XI, IX, and VIII and spontaneous bleeding is inevitable. It also indicates that the Liver is damaged because these factors are formed in the Liver.

    Conclusion
    A man has been found guilty of murder on the evidence of doctors misinterpreting the Haematological evidence which clearly indicated a Coagulopathy caused the death of the child.
    Acknowledgements:

    I wish to thank Mr Darryl Elliot and his mother Ms Liz Peel for providing me with all the details of the prosecution and for permission to publish my findings.

    Prior to migrating to Australia I I was one of the Pathologists working for the Coroner in The West Riding of Yorkshire UK.
    I declare that I have not made any statement that I know to be untrue.

    Michael D Innis FRCPA; FRCPath
    References
    Nottingham Post 22/08/2013. Baby murder trial update: She was thought to have been "vigorously shaken”
    Cunningham JJ The glucose/insulin system and vitamin C: implications in insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus. J Am Coll Nutr. 1998 Apr;17(2):105-8.
    Vermeer C. Knapen MHJ, Schurgers LJ Vitamin K and metabolic bone disease. J Clin Path 1998;51;424-426.
    Innis MD. Vitamin K Deficiency Disease. J Ortho Mol Med 2008:23;15-20
    Guthkelch N Letters. BMJ Vol 310 17th June 1995
    Innis MD Autoimmunity and Non-Accidental Injury in Children, Clinical Medicine Research. Vol. 2, No. 3, 2013, pp. 40-44. doi: 10.11648/j.cmr.20130203.15
    Innis M D. Autoimmune Tissue Scurvy Misdiagnosed as Child Abuse, Clinical Medicine Research. Vol. 2, No. 6, 2013, pp. 154-157. doi:

    https://www.facebook.com/FreeElwood/posts/951110701610147

  • Can you link us to some claims where they should win but didn’t please, then, thanks?

  • Or like Harry Potter with Oblivators?

  • Sometimes, events can only be detected in very large populations.

  • And yet you can never provide any other evidence?

  • All I did was enter their names in pubmed.

  • AutismDadd

    Fox News owned by Rupert Murdoch, whose son James worked with Brian Deer? James Murdoch who was appointed to the Board of MMR maker GlaxoSmithKline after Wakefield was convicted by a General Medical Council Kangaroo court. The General Medical Council that runs the British Medical Journal that is largely funded by GSK and MERCK (synonymous with product fraud and consumer death) and who Brian Deer worked for and was paid by prior to and during Wakefield’s trial. So you see June when one says conspiracy, its simply accurate, not imaginary.

  • AutismDadd

    And you would claim if it happened to your child or one you know it DIDN’T happen? And you would testify that Pharmaceutical companies have never harmed a single person with their products, never denied it and were never fined or paid millions in compensation?

  • AutismDadd

    Only when you stop lying.

  • AutismDadd

    Why would I say that? You said it and its lame.

  • AutismDadd

    Its about medical/scientific consensus.

  • AutismDadd

    No Mike that’s just you saying something quite stupid.

  • AutismDadd

    Oh good because Big Pharma doesn’t do science do they?

  • AutismDadd

    Shill

  • shay simmons

    Note that a claim that a doctor injected someone with poison would not be a vaccine injury but a malpractice suit.

    And presumably would be able to point to a homicide trial for support.

  • Jesus baby

    What?

  • Jesus baby

    That’s right Lowell/tripnasty84, when you’ve been destroyed in an argument it always helps to keep copy/pasting the same [email protected]

  • Really? So how in your twisted mind do you determine that you have destroyed anything here at all, and when all you have actually produced is simply your own denial?

  • The concept has already been explained, in regard to tissue scurvy caused by vaccines. You simply refuse to face it.

  • You deliberately missed the points made in the study. Thanks for directly showing that outcome. You as well missed and ignored as well this little bit of inconvenient information, for you. Pro-vaccinator’s like you never like the existence of any real study science; yet you false claim to be all about the science, and the purveyors of the science.

    Nonhuman Primate Model of Pertussis

    ABSTRACT

    Pertussis is a highly contagious, acute respiratory illness caused by the bacterial pathogen Bordetella pertussis. Despite nearly universal vaccine coverage, pertussis rates in the United States have been rising steadily over the last 20 years. Our failure to comprehend and counteract this important public health concern is due in large part to gaps in our knowledge of the disease and the mechanisms of vaccine-mediated protection. Important questions about pertussis pathogenesis and mechanisms of vaccine effectiveness remain unanswered due to the lack of an animal model that replicates the full spectrum of human disease. Because current animal models do not meet these needs, we set out to develop a nonhuman primate model of pertussis. We inoculated rhesus macaques and olive baboons with wild-type B. pertussis strains and evaluated animals for clinical disease. We found that only 25% of rhesus macaques developed pertussis. In contrast, 100% of inoculated baboons developed clinical pertussis. A strong anamnestic response was observed when convalescent baboons were infected 6 months following recovery from a primary infection. Our results demonstrate that the baboon provides an excellent model of clinical pertussis that will allow researchers to investigate pertussis pathogenesis and disease progression, evaluate currently licensed vaccines, and develop improved vaccines and therapeutics.

    http://iai.asm.org/content/80/4/1530.full

  • You know the only one that gets owned here is always you. Yet you deny that each and every time it happens.

    Go ahead and as well see how much of this information you can dispute, smart guy?

    Brand new podcast–listen to the doctor! Know a couple expecting their first child? Someone with young children? PLEASE share!!

    Dr. Thomas has the largest practice of pediatrics in Portland, OR for a reason–he tells the truth about vaccines and practices true informed consent. Please listen, please share!

    6. Dr. Paul Thomas Interview, How to End the Autism Epidemic
    https://soundcloud.com/user-507883655/6-dr-paul-thomas-interview-how-to-end-the-autism-epidemic

    —-

    Then you can move right on to this right here.

    Your Immune System, How It Works And How Vaccines Damage It
    https://authenticenlightenment.com/2015/03/24/your-immune-system-how-it-works-and-how-vaccines-damage-it/

    How Vaccines Dysregulate The Immune System
    http://gdsajj.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/how-vaccines-dysregulate-the-immune-system/

    Vaccinations Cause Chronic Immune System Dysregulation
    http://www.liveto110.com/vaccinations-cause-chronic-immune-system-dysregulation/

    How Do Vaccines Work? Immune Mechanisms and Consequences
    http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/component/option,com_crossjoomlaarticlemanager/Itemid,375/aid,1369/view,crossjoomlaarticlemanager/#sthash.rkJSugBv.dpuf

    Anatomy and Physiology of the Immune System, Part 4
    How pharmaceuticals destroy nature
    http://jonbarron.org/article/anatomy-and-physiology-immune-system-part-4#.UwH0pvldXbY

    Understanding immunity requires more than immunology
    http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v11/n7/full/ni0710-561.html

    An Immune Disorder at the Root of Autism
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/immune-disorders-and-autism.html/?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    A Mouse Model for the Immune Dysregulation Subtype of Autism, (And they would still claim to that there is no way vaccines have and can cause autism? That conclusion is of course clearly preposterous.)
    http://tacanowblog.com/2012/07/23/a-mouse-model-for-the-immune-dysregulation-subtype-of-autism/

    Vaccines and Autism, ADHD and Asthma
    Immunizations and the Immunocompromised

    “Yet, no doctor is trained to look for this type of immunodeficiency and/or the kind of immune dysregulation that multiple vaccine can cause; which lead to so called inflammatory syndromes and resulting overactivation of the brains microglia cells and resulting chronic levels of brain inflammation now ever more increasingly found in studies of those with autism. Vaccine aluminum adjuvants in several studies have been fund as well to in itself cause this stated inflammation.

    http://www.epidemicanswers.org/vaccines-and-autism-adhd-and-asthma/

  • Lets see you move on to addressing something actually vaccine related? What within this information can you actually dispute with any form of your claims and so called existing study science?

    6. Dr. Paul Thomas Interview, How to End the Autism Epidemic
    https://soundcloud.com/user-507883655/6-dr-paul-thomas-interview-how-to-end-the-autism-epidemic

    Then after that you can move on to address this information? Get started.

    Your Immune System, How It Works And How Vaccines Damage It
    https://authenticenlightenment.com/2015/03/24/your-immune-system-how-it-works-and-how-vaccines-damage-it/

    How Vaccines Dysregulate The Immune System
    http://gdsajj.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/how-vaccines-dysregulate-the-immune-system/

    Vaccinations Cause Chronic Immune System Dysregulation
    http://www.liveto110.com/vaccinations-cause-chronic-immune-system-dysregulation/

    How Do Vaccines Work? Immune Mechanisms and Consequences
    http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/component/option,com_crossjoomlaarticlemanager/Itemid,375/aid,1369/view,crossjoomlaarticlemanager/#sthash.rkJSugBv.dpuf

    Anatomy and Physiology of the Immune System, Part 4
    How pharmaceuticals destroy nature
    http://jonbarron.org/article/anatomy-and-physiology-immune-system-part-4#.UwH0pvldXbY

    Understanding immunity requires more than immunology
    http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v11/n7/full/ni0710-561.html

    An Immune Disorder at the Root of Autism
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/immune-disorders-and-autism.html/?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    A Mouse Model for the Immune Dysregulation Subtype of Autism, (And they would still claim to that there is no way vaccines have and can cause autism? That conclusion is of course clearly preposterous.)
    http://tacanowblog.com/2012/07/23/a-mouse-model-for-the-immune-dysregulation-subtype-of-autism/

    Vaccines and Autism, ADHD and Asthma
    Immunizations and the Immunocompromised

    “Yet, no doctor is trained to look for this type of immunodeficiency and/or the kind of immune dysregulation that multiple vaccine can cause; which lead to so called inflammatory syndromes and resulting overactivation of the brains microglia cells and resulting chronic levels of brain inflammation now ever more increasingly found in studies of those with autism. Vaccine aluminum adjuvants in several studies have been fund as well to in itself cause this stated inflammation.

    http://www.epidemicanswers.org/vaccines-and-autism-adhd-and-asthma/

  • BikeIce

    There has been over $3 Billion in damages paid out by the “Special Master” of this quasi-court. It is estimated that that represents only 1 – 10% of the total injuries suffered by our children as the number of cases reported to VAERS is in that range. Only cases and damages that are awarded by the government are reported.

  • Jesus baby

    You’ve failed to show anyone has found low tissue vitamin C levels in patients with normal blood levels. You’ve failed to prove the existence of “tissue scurvy”. You have been destroyed.

  • Jesus baby

    I’ve already had to explain to YOU what “tissue scurvy” even supposedly is, Lowell/tripnasty84. You mistakenly claimed vaccines depleted vitamin C levels. Subsequently, you have failed to show anyone has demonstrated low tissue vitamin C levels after vaccination.

  • Jesus baby

    Now you’ve copy/pasted 10 links unrelated to “tissue scurvy”. Good for you, Lowell/tripnasty84!

  • MykeC

    I’m Myke. I’m 34 yrs old. I was shot up with vaccines when I was a child. I did not die or get autism. There has been repeated proof that Vaccines do not harm children. There is no link between vaccines and autism or death. Please do some actual research instead of the misinformation spread by anti-vaccers. You are putting your child at risk for easily preventable diseases.

  • MykeC

    Yes, childhood diseases are much more dangerous than giving your child the means to fight said diseases. There is independent scientific evidence that shows there is no link between vaccine & autism/death. To continue spread misinformation means you’re doing a disservice to those that are intelligent/follow the science. This fear mongering really needs to stop.

  • Mike Stevens

    “And do these medical professionals, who are against vaccines, also lack scientific evidence?”

    Ron then proceeds to provide a list of quacks and people who are definitely NOT medical professionals, and wouldn’t know whether a stethoscope was meant to go in their ears or their ass.

    EG: Gary Goldman, Vieira Scheibner, Pat Rattigan, Boyd Haley, etc etc.

  • Mike Stevens

    “Thankfully, God gave me the ability to understand medical information and I am using that ability to inform others.”
    Your comments would appear to indicate the exact opposite.

  • Mike Stevens

    But.. They “know” things they were not willing to share, and kept that bit secret!

  • I’ve already tried taking you seriously, Lowell. You and your links don’t rate. When you’re shown to be wrong, you ignore the facts, recite your insults, and spew more of your lies. Then you paste the same lies as though nothing happened. You’re a lying fool who has nothing but dishonest screeds that you repeatedly paste no matter what, and false accusations against anybody who calls you on it.

  • Thank you for this article, Augustina. The for profit and saving their misguided vaccine connected careers …powers that be, of course do not want the vaccine truth to be uncovered, and reveled.

    Not to intentionally change the subject, but I found this bit of interview information to important to not to post it.

    Brand new podcast–listen to the doctor! Know a couple expecting their first child? Someone with young children? PLEASE share!!

    Dr. Thomas has the largest practice of pediatrics in Portland, OR for a reason–he tells the truth about vaccines and practices true informed consent. Please listen, please share!

    6. Dr. Paul Thomas Interview, How to End the Autism Epidemic
    https://soundcloud.com/user-507883655/6-dr-paul-thomas-interview-how-to-end-the-autism-epidemic

    http://integrativepediatricsonline.com/

    Dr. Paul Thomas, M.D. – Preserve Medical Freedom – Vaccines Linked to Autism
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2015/dr-paul-thomas-m-d-preserve-medical-freedom-vaccines-linked-to-autism/

    WIDE AWAKE:The Seminar that Changed Everything
    “Dr Offit, Paul Offit, you scum bag, I want you to to go public and vaccinate yourself with 100,000 vaccines, live. I was born to be on this stage, and to educate the world, and to save these children”
    https://vimeo.com/ondemand/wideawakeseminar/199340226?autoplay=1

    My Vaccine Controversy
    by thedrswolfson
    https://www.thedrswolfson.com/vaccine-controversy/

  • Mike Stevens

    Having looked at your link that supposedly details Kalokerinos’s “papers”, I find that he hasn’t published anything in a science journal.

    I am amazed. This man, who supposedly discovered the cause and the cure for vaccine damage, never bothered to tell anyone else of his discovery in a form which would establish its validity, and enable the medical profession to discover the truth for themselves?
    What a selfish barst4rd!

  • Augustina

    Myke,

    It is pretty obvious you are trolling here. You do realize your ancestors weren’t vaccinated and you were born from generations before you that were completely unvaccinated. Oops, that blows your theory that children are put at risk if not vaccinated. If that were the case, none of us would be here today. Vaccines are not proven to be safe or effective, so you cannot prove anyone ever died from not being vaccinated. Where are the parents of completely unvaccinated children screaming at the top of their lungs that their baby just suddenly died? You won’t find them. What you will find is countless numbers of parents that vaccinated their child and their baby died from a reaction to the vaccines.

    Just because you didn’t die or suffer from autism related neurological disorders doesn’t mean others haven’t. Vaccine injuries are real and they are prevalent. If vaccine injuries weren’t so real, stories like this wouldn’t exist and the vaccine manufacturers wouldn’t have to be protected from liability and be allowed to have their vaccine licensed without proving their product doesn’t cause cancer, fertility problems or gene mutations.

    Everything you have injected into your body can potentially affect your genetic makeup and offspring, or your ability to have offspring. Sexual development can be affected too. Any part of a person’s complex body can be negatively affected.

    You should question why you are supportive of injecting children with such disgusting ingredients in vaccines, after learning how these vaccines can alter a person’s DNA. You should question why you think it’s fair to pass the burden of proof onto parents when the vaccines harm, rather than those making and mandating these vaccines. The vaccine makers don’t even pay for funeral costs even though the CDC and vaccine makers admit every vaccine can be lethal and cause death.

    And you are wrong about what you said. Vaccines are very capable and proven to be able to cause neurological damage and/or kill a person, hence the vaccine related ‘death benefit’ parents petition for, capped at $250,000. This amount has not increased due to inflation since 1986. These parents rarely receive this amount, if any, and they would much rather have their baby to hold, watch and grow over this blood money. Research the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) to learn more.

    Parents are speaking out about how their vaccine induced autistic child
    led them to file a petition with the NVICP and they were awarded compensation. Special Masters deciding on these cases in the vaccine court have conceded the vaccines were responsible and are paying for
    these children’s treatments. There is more than enough peer reviewed literature on this subject to refute your comment. Vaccine package inserts even state the vaccine cause cause a reaction, leading to death or injury.

  • Not sure.

    I’d expect a well-grounded one to be able to point to a)The dose at which something is toxic and that this b)exceeds the c)the dose in the product and also that the doctor either i)knew this or ii)reasonably should have known this.

  • And your examples of that, are what? You seriously desperate pro-vax shill lot, and in repeatedly attempting your information damage control, and complete denial. You are NOT the saviors of the world, and through your known contaminated and multiple toxic injected for profit and as well now with no legal liability existing, vaccines. Vaccines are now one of the biggest and most harmful and shameful shams ever perpetrated on humanity, and as well as to human health care. Wake up.

  • Mike Stevens

    Innis is another individual who used to testify on behalf of child abusers to excuse their vile murders of their children.

  • Mike Stevens

    “If only half of America is properly vaccinated, where are the epidemics?”
    The adults over the age of around 55 have natural immunity, those younger have vaccine immunity.

  • Jesus baby

    Exactly.

  • Mike Stevens

    Well, it is self evident to anyone with half a brain and who can understand bsimple scientific concepts.
    So no, I didn’t think you would understand, Lowell.

  • Archie Kalokerinos, M.D.
    1927 – 2012
    Hall of Fame 2009
    “Any attempt to adequately write about Archie Kalokerinos would need a thousand pages and would incorporate many such adjectives as: far-sighted, intelligent, sensible, observant, honest, caring, altruistic, congenial, meticulous, brave, dogged, intrepid, and last but not least, the trite, but well-deserved, ‘great.'”
    -Oscar Falconi

    Archie Kalokerinos was born in Glenn Innes, Australia, in 1927 and took his MD degree from Sydney University in 1951. He was appointed Medical Superintendent of the hospital at Collarenebri, Australia, where he served until 1975. His practice is based on Linus Pauling’s theory that many diseases result from excessive free radicals and can accordingly be prevented or cured by vitamin C.

    Kalokerinos is well known worldwide as the doctor who spent much of his time fighting for the well-being of the Aboriginal inhabitants of Australia. He became very concerned about the high death rate of Aboriginal children in New South Wales and came to the conclusion that the infants had symptoms of scurvy, a deficiency of vitamin C. In his ground-breaking book, Every Second Child, he discovered that the an acute vitamin C deficiency provoked by the vaccinations was the reason why, at a certain point, up to half of the vaccinated Aboriginal infants died. Instead of being rewarded for this lifesaving observation, Kalokerinos was harassed and his methods were disregarded by the authorities, probably because they were too simple, too cheap and too efficacious to be accepted by the vested interests of modern medicine. And, besides, they were meant to protect a population which, in its own native county, is regarded by some as not worth taking the trouble for anyway. Dr. Kalokerinos, however, thought differently, and the Nobel prize winner Linus Pauling, (who wrote the foreword to Every Second Child) endorsed his views.

    Kalokerinos is a Life Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health, of the International Academy of Preventive Medicine, of the Australasian College of Biomedical Scientists, of the Hong Kong Medical Technology Association, and a Member of the New York Academy of Sciences. In 1978 he was awarded the AMM (Australian Medal of Merit) for outstanding scientific research. He is an author of 28 papers listed in PubMed. He retired from full time practice in 1993 and spends most of his time doing private research.

    http://orthomolecular.org/hof/2009/kalokerinos.html

    FURTHER READING
    PUBLICATIONS BY ARCHIE KALOKERINOS

    Books
    Vitamin C Nature’s Miraculous Healing Missile!, with Ian Dettman and Archie Kalokerinos ISBN 0-646-11985-0
    Every Second Child Archie Kalokerinos, Keats Publishing (1981) ISBN 0-87983-250-9
    Medical pioneer of the 20th century: Dr Archie Kalokerinos: an autobiography 2000 ISBN 0-646-40852-6
    Second Thought About Disease with Glen Dettman 1977
    Australian Precious Opal 1971
    In Search of Opal 1967
    Journals
    Abuse or infection? Archie Kalokerinos, New Scientist Magazine issue 2516, 10 September 2005 . Accessed October 2007
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman I, Dettman G (1983) Is calcium ascorbate preferable to sodium ascorbate? Australasian Nurses J 12:9 PMID 6555033
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman I, Dettman G (1982) How much vitamin C should I take? Australasian Nurses J 11:8-9 PMID 6924854
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman I, Dettman G (1982) Ascorbate—the proof of the pudding! A selection of case histories responding to ascorbate Australasian Nurses J 11:18-21 PMID 6920272
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman G (1981) Rubella immunisation, a tangle of absurdities and some comments. Australasian Nurses J 10:3-6 PMID 6917758
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman G (1981) On your metal? Amazing zinc! Australasian Nurses J 10:22 PMID 6915775
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman G (1981) “Mumps” the word but you have yet another vaccine deficiency Australasian Nurses J 10:17-8 PMID 6914174
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman I, Dettman G (1981) Vitamin C: the dangers of calcium and safety of sodium ascorbate Australasian Nurses J 10:22 PMID 6910420
    Dettman G, Kalokerinos A (1980) Aboriginal health: the gentle art of deception Australasian Nurses J 10:14-5 PMID 6908523
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman G (1980) Viral vaccines vital or vulnerable Australasian Nurses J 9:27-32 PMID 6904225
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman G (1980) Joggers – beware Australasian Nurses J 9:22 PMID 6904216
    Cilento P, Kalokerinos A, Dettman I, Dettman G (1980) Venomous bites and vitamin C status Australasian Nurses J9:19 PMID 6902663
    Knafelc D, Kalokerinos A, Dettmann G (1980) Disease etiology – a shock therapy Australasian Nurses J 9:18-20 PMID 6770812
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman G. (1979) On new ideas and an U.S. experience Australasian Nurses J 9:22-6 PMID 119534
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman G (1979) Year of the child: don’t be beguiled Australasian Nurses J 8:22-4 PMID 110305
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman G (1978) Vaccines: “who” benefits? Australasian Nurses J 7:15-6 PMID 100089
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman G (1978) Does rubella vaccine protect? Australasian Nurses J 7:1-4 PMID 96796
    Kalokerinos A, (1978) “The sudden infant death syndrome. Part 2. Definition. Further clinical observations.” Australasian Nurses J. Mar;7(7):6-8 PMID 418773
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman G (1977) Vitamin C and the significance of that “wasted spillover” Australasian Nurses J 7:19 PMID 244300
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman G (1977) The efficiency of immunisations Australasian Nurses J 6:15 PMID 587083
    Kalokerinos A, Dettman G (1976) Sudden death in infancy syndrome in Western Australia Med J Aust 2:31-2 PMID 979792
    Kalokerinos A. (1976) Letter: Severe measles in Vietnam. Med J Aust. April 17;1(16):593-4 PMID 933962
    Kalokerinos A. (1974) Poor black health, bad white attitudes. Aust Nurses J. Apr;3(9):29-31 PMID 4499636
    Kalokerinos A. (1973) Aboriginal infant health and mortality rates. Med J Aust. 3 March 1973;1(9):462-3 PMID 4708934
    Kalokerinos A. (1971) The Aboriginal infant mortality rate. Med J Aust. August 21;2(8):445-6. PMID 5122440
    Bryson AM, Kalokerinos A. (1970) Sudden unexpected deaths in infancy. Med J Aust. August 8;2(6):292. PMID 5456573
    Kalokerinos A. (1969) Some aspects of aboriginal infant mortality. Med J Aust. January 25;1(4):185-7 PMID 5779047

    http://www.gutenberg.us/articles/archie_kalokerinos

  • How about the child abusing doctors that have not even known what they have done with vaccines? Quite obviously the evidence here is against you and your false claims. But you didn’t have the time to actually review any of that did you, and nor did you care to, in regard to what has been posted here on this article.

  • Again, can you link us to some claims where they should win but didn’t please?

  • What a load of BS, and there is absolutely no evidence for that claim, and no scientific study evidence. At best we have some evidence for antibody resistance to some forms of flu in the older population, but nothing more.

  • You again failed to read and realize what actually goes on, as to the information.

  • No, the information directly shows that said the outcome for vaccines is proven to exist, and that it is very real.

  • Unrelated? You only wish that were true. How is your level of honesty and existing credibility doing at this point? Looks to me like it doesn’t exist at all.

  • So you can not answer my question at all, and nor directly. That is what I thought.

  • Mike Stevens

    “You do realize your ancestors weren’t vaccinated and you were born from generations before you that were completely unvaccinated. Oops, that
    blows your theory that children are put at risk if not vaccinated. If that were the case, none of us would be here today.”

    Fallacious reasoning, Augustina.
    To explain why, perhaps this analogy will help. I assume if you had a child, you’d wish them to wear a cycle helmet? We know that they can lessen or avert serious traumatic brain injury in the event of accidents. And we know that injury is rare, but has killed many children over the years.

    Let’s give it a go, and assume Myke is supporting the use of cycle helmets:
    “You do realize your parents never wore cycle helmets, and for generations before that cyclists were completely without cycle helmets. Oops, that blows your theory that children are put at risk if they don’t wear cycle helmets. If that were the case, none of us would be here today.”

    I trust you can see the logical fallacies in that statement?

    “Just because you didn’t die or suffer from autism related neurological
    disorders doesn’t mean others haven’t. Vaccine injuries are real and
    they are prevalent.”

    I also hope you can contrast this statement of yours with your first one above, where you assumed that because parents/ancestors had not died from disease, that it was therefore not a problem?
    We know that compared to the risks from the diseases, the risks of serious injury from a vaccine are very low. The risks from the diseases far exceed the risks from vaccines. For every media-reported death from vaccines, there are dozens, no… probably hundreds from the diseases, which don’t get the same oxygen of publicity.

  • If you really believe that, then review this information and answer these nine questions in regard to the existing vaccine safety science?

    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • Mike Stevens

    My days of spoonfeeding you information for days on end without any discernable increase in learning on your part are over, Lowell.

  • Mike Stevens

    So.. I looked at these “studies”.. and found…
    No published papers of any original research to pass on his genius to others then.
    Just a lot of opinion pieces in “Australasian Nurses J”. LOL.

    …As I said before….

  • Mike Stevens

    “How about the child abusing doctors that have not even known what they have done with vaccines?”

    If they are completely ignorant of the consequences of their actions, their culpability is debateable. Innis knew exactly what he was doing, as did the abusive parents who killed their children.

  • Jesus baby

    Like I said Lowell/tripnasty84, after being destroyed you just pretend you won.

  • Jesus baby

    You couldn’t show it, Lowell/tripnasty84. You’re one big fail man.

  • FallsAngel

    Yes! And let me add, for Augustina’s benefit, my great aunts and uncles who died of diphtheria, 3 in 3 weeks, didn’t live to produce offspring.

  • You state what you do because you deny the level of existing and real vaccine injury risks, and while you falsely over inflate the the historical benefits of vaccines. You simply refuse all the evidence and historically as well, no matter what. What such as the CDC and WHO claim to is nothing more than correlation equals causation, and all while the real historically recorded information as to that said vaccine efficacy issues shows us a situation that is much different than what we are told took place. All of us were once accepting and supporting of vaccines; (thinking they were a necessary and good thing) and why wouldn’t we be; as we simply and unquestioningly believed everything we were read and were told. I even used to think that the FDA performed a valued and un-corrupted service; and as I had no reason to believe otherwise. That, until I found the need to and did the real independent research that was needed to be done.

  • Mike Stevens

    Al Bayati – the pretend pathologist who is another apologist for parents who kill their children, and who is an HIV/AIDS denialist to boot.
    There is nothing to learn from his lies.

  • Jesus baby

    Lol none of them address “tissue scurvy” at all. So since you got owned you want to talk about something else. Classic Hubbs/tripnasty84.

  • Mike Stevens

    Sorry to hear.
    My uncle died of what was most likely meningococcal meningitis on his first birthday. The death certificate said “cerebrospinal meningitis”.
    My great aunt died of influenza during the spanish flu epidemic.

    With vaccines, they’d be alive today.

  • So you trolling shills just continue to make it all up as you go?

    I Was Told To Ask the “Older” Generation About Vaccines…So I Did
    http://www.livingwhole.org/i-was-told-to-ask-the-older-generation-about-vaccines-so-i-did/

    Should Any Vaccines Be Required for Children?
    Top Pro & Con Arguments
    http://vaccines.procon.org/

  • Jesus baby

    Hubbs isn’t discriminating. He just copy/pastes key words.

  • How many children now have existing chronic levels of brain inflammation due to multiple vaccines containing aluminum adjuvants? How many children have suffered from vaccine caused, encephalopathy?

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    The 1918 Influenza Epidemic was a Vaccine-caused Disease
    https://spktruth2power.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/the-1918-influenza-epidemic-was-a-vaccine-caused-disease/

  • Really? And when did you ever do that, liar? You are absolutely pathetic. Just admit to it that you can only and simply talk a line of literally unproven garbage filled false accusations; and that yet you can not back up.

  • Mike Stevens

    “Encephalitis following vaccination is not rare”

    It is on the vaccine injury table. There are 4 vaccines which can cause encephalitis: The old rabies vaccine, the smallpox vaccine (neither in use today), the yellow fever vaccine, and the measles vaccine.
    The incidence with measles vaccine is estimated to be under one per million measles/MMR injections (ie it certainly is rare).
    In contrast, the incidence of encephalitis following measles is one in 1000 (a thousand times more likely)
    https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html

    Some vaccines may cause encephalopathy (which his different to encephalitis). DTP was presumed to be a cause, but it has subsequently been established that the encephalopathy was due to an underlying genetic abnormality of the sodium channels (Dravet’s syndrome, SCN1A mutation) which could manifest with seizures, these rarely being provoked by vaccines.
    http://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laneur/PIIS1474442210701071.pdf

  • Mike Stevens

    Crickets…

  • FallsAngel

    I looked at the first link. The “great-grandmother” was the same age as my father. He had a sibling who died of what was probably rheumatic fever. Not a VPD, but now more treatable with antibiotics. As for her hubby who took the polio vaccine and blamed it for his lymphoma, my guess is he took the Sabin when they had those Sabin Sundays in the early 60s. My dad did that too. Guess what? No SV-40 in Sabin! Even if he did get the contaminated Salk, it has never been linked to lymphoma. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10472327

  • Mike Stevens

    “What a load of BS, and there is absolutely no evidence for that claim, and no scientific study evidence. “
    Oh, by thine own petard be thou hoisted, Lowell.

    For measles… 93% population immunity.
    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S91.long
    “To estimate population immunity, we examined measles immunity among residents of the United States in 1999 from serological and vaccine coverage surveys. For persons aged ⩾20 years, serological data from the third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (1988–1994) were used. For persons <20 years of age, immunity was estimated from results of the National Immunization Survey (1994–1998), state surveys of school entrants (1990–2000), and vaccine coverage surveys of adolescents (1997). To estimate immunity from vaccine coverage data, 95% vaccine efficacy was used for recipients of a single dose at ⩾12 years of age and 99% vaccine efficacy was used for those with failure of a first dose who were revaccinated. Overall, calculated population immunity was found to be 93%.

  • FallsAngel

    Sorry for your family’s losses as well. It seems we all, save this great-grandma in Lowell’s link, have these stories in our family history. I really doubt the author is the great-grandchild, anyway. The time frame isn’t long enough. My dad was born in 1914, he did not have any great-grands in 2014, let alone those old enough to write an article for publication.

  • Augustina

    Vaccines are killing babies. Vaccines are damaging the people. Vaccines change our DNA in a negative way. All it takes is one ingredient injected, from one vaccine, to be able to kill or injure us.

  • SV40 has been directly linked to human cancers, and it all depends on what pharma and vaccines supporting cherry picked study you are presenting with, or not. Therefore your study claims are irrelevant unless you include all the existing studies.

    Oh yaa, and antibiotics, they are big pharma saviors, too? Really? And antibiotics saved all the later probably rheumatic fever victims, that were induced by taking aspirin?

    And really? SV40 is shown to cause both benign tumors and as well cancer. It SV40 is as well still present in childhood cancers today, and decades after it was said to have been removed from the polio vaccine, showing that now SV40 has as well been directly transferred from parent to child.

    Scientific proof that the known cancer causing SV40 virus, a previous contaminant in the polio vaccine, is obviously either contagious; or the virus is still in the vaccine/s.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

  • Same old, same old, bull$hit; just deny any and all of the existing evidence. How about all your made up stories where some mother was paid to claim she was anti-vaccine, and then turned pro-vaccine? Now that, is some real paid off and fabricated, trash.

  • FallsAngel

    What the H*E*double hockey-stick are you talking about, Lowell?
    (Mike, do you use that expression [H*E*double hockey stick] in the UK? I had to explain what it meant to a South African friend.)

  • Your reply does no address the said issue of the remaining un-vaccinated, adult population. It would be really hard to think that adults have vaccine induced protection to measles and when the childhood vaccinated are not even being protected due to vaccine failures.

    Oh, by thine own ignorance and denial induced petard be thou hoisted, Mike Stevens.

    Grouping of 17 studies on vaccine efficacy FAILURES of MMR, Mumps R —and Pertussis ( Whooping cough) outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations.
    ——1. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1202865
    ——2. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm55d330a1.htm
    ——3. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5507a2.htm
    ——4. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1861205
    ——5. http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/204/suppl_1/S559.full.pdf+html
    ——6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1884314
    ——7. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=3618578
    ——8. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM198703263161303
    ——9. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000476.htm
    ——10. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000359.htm
    ——11. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1956577/
    ——12. http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/03/13/cid.cis287
    ——13. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15918913
    ——14. http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/6/5/00-0512_article.htm
    ——15. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00049244.htm
    ——16. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021662
    ——17. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19593254

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine (many more cases listed of vaccine failure, in the vaccinated)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • And if you didn’t have your self imposed cricket sounding false delusions, what would you have left here, so called, Stevens?

  • Mike Stevens

    LOL….
    You first say there are no epidemics, and now you say there are.
    You are all over the place.
    You are living proof of Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, Lowell.

  • I was making the comparison between the article I posted, (and which you falsely claim is made up), and the said and known articles the pro-vax side has produced. I didn’t say you had written them. You are only as deliberately confused as you will of course, choose to be.

  • Who said there were never any existing so called, epidemics? The only person that is deliberately attempting to be and to remain confused, and because you know that you can not reply to what I put forth, is clearly and only you.

  • Why would epidemics happen if germ theory is false?

  • Why are you reply posting again and repeatedly when you have no idea what you are actually talking about? And that is all by in denial choice.

  • Why would epidemics happen if germ theory is false?

  • Stop replying with the same question I have already responded to.

  • AutismDadd

    Should I make up some stories too?

  • Why would epidemics happen if germ theory is false? I want an answer, not a deflection.

  • AutismDadd

    Anecdote

  • AutismDadd

    You’d have better luck shoving an elephant into his ear than convince him he isn’t contributing his vast knowledge of the subject. P.S. love your posts

  • AutismDadd

    Lame Mike. You’re regressing

  • AutismDadd

    Boo Hoo life’s a B

  • AutismDadd

    Notice how these shills look for sympathy for their families but not others. Psychopaths.

  • AutismDadd

    Grow up you fool.

  • AutismDadd

    Wow take you all day to construct that nonsense?

  • AutismDadd

    You have sympathy? Liar

  • AutismDadd

    Wet the bed?

  • They are the lowest level of subhuman that exists … bottom feeders. And they are known to make up those false family connected stories, and thus in falsely fear mongering to imply support for getting vaccinated; and they simply make those stories up, as they go.

  • FallsAngel

    Just to clarify for the lurkers-I did not say the story in Lowell’s link was made up; I said I had my suspicions. The author may have talked to a 100 year old, but I don’t think it was their great-grandmother.

  • You have had repeated answers to that now on multiple articles, and you simply refuse to accept the answer and the information. Go falsely antagonize and repeatedly harass, someone else.

  • Can you explain it? Why would disease spread from place to place at the same time if diseases aren’t caused by germs that spread from person to person? Why do epidemics affect places with different sanitation if disease isn’t contagious?

  • But you are a LURKER? How do you figure that you aren’t? Isn’t that being more than a bit hypocritical? So you refer to readers here that are looking for vaccine truth, as the lurkers? How clearly low life are you, and is your pathetic existence?

    You as well have zero supporting evidence for your said claim; and actually it wouldn’t even matter what 100 year old person you actually talked to. So just admit that you are arguing about nothing, and as well nothing of actual substance.

  • It was explained, and you refused it; end of story.

  • So you refuse to explain your falsehood. Okay.

  • I better tell some stories, too? My uncle was in an iron lung and almost died of polio; when he got out of it his eyes were crossed, his face and mouth were stuck sideways and drooling on one side, and he hobbled around with a serious paralysis limp. But he never died of SV40 polio vaccine contaminated related tumors and cancer, and lived to be 95 years old? My grandma had diphtheria and they had to pull some onions and garlic out of the garden (natural antibiotic) for her to eat, and she recovered just fine. My cousin had measles and they had him eat sweet potatoes, carrots, and kale, with lots of vitamin A, and he recovered just fine. How’s that?

  • Why do you have an immune system if stopping the germs is meaningless?

  • Why do you have a brain, if you don’t ever use it? You just don’t get it and you refuse to get it.

  • Soil theory says the germs are nothing, the body’s vague, undefined “health” is the only thing that matters. If germs were an unimportant aspect of disease, why do we have such big immune systems? If fighting germs didn’t fight disease, why would we have evolved a complex immune system?

  • Again, it does not say that at all as to the current understanding of the immunological situation. And until Antoine Bechamp’s work and theories are investigated scientifically in the current day, and which have been neglected since the time he and Pasteur existed; then we will only have the existing knowledge that we do on it today. Basic common sense knowledge and understanding that you continue to reject and refuse to comprehend in any rational sense of understanding. .

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

  • Jesus baby

    You still preaching Bechamp’s theory minus the microzymes, Lowell/tripnasty84?

  • AutismDadd

    great stuff

  • Basic common sense knowledge and understanding that you continue to reject and refuse to comprehend in any rational sense of understanding.

    Basic common sense tells me that Béchamp’s theories have been abandoned because they don’t fit observed data about how disease spreads, not because a Grand Conspiracy is keeping it down. The fundamental premises of soil theory conflicts with the observed behavior of pathogens in the body and the spread of infectious diseases to otherwise healthy people. Routine pathological observations debunk Béchamp every day without even trying. Germ theory displaced soil theory because soil theory was unsupported by evidence, even when Béchamp proposed it.

  • A “lurker” is a person who reads discussions online without participating in them. You and FallsAngel are participating in this discussion, so neither of you are lurkers. A lurker would read this conversation without making any comments of their own.

  • On Its Own Mertits,

    Can you please tell me if you are a ghostwriter? I’m curious as to what your motivation is for posting on articles like this one.

  • [So you refer to readers here that are looking for vaccine truth, as the lurkers?] So that is exactly what I said. And did I specify if those people reply or do not reply? Your stated definition and differentiation is of course irrelevant And your point is?

  • Whether they’re looking for vaccine truth or not is of course irrelevant. “Lurker” means somebody who reads without posting. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • That is simply a convenient, false, and assumed assumption. What part of this do you still not get. If Bechamp and other similar health care scientists of the day had been accepted as having valid understandings and if only theories, and such as Pasteur’s were largely at the time as well; then no existing understandings of health care and theories but Pasteur’s ever would have supported the beginning of a pharmaceutical profits and the literal cloning of Rockefeller chemical drug doctors …empire. Previous to that Pasteur/Bechamp time period in history, chiropractic, homeopathic, and any form of naturopathic health care, which is based on a real physiologically understanding of the human body and health care, were previously thriving in that day and time. You don’t have a basic clue about that past history, and nor do you want to. The Rockefeller money of the time, entirely bought out all existing medical schools and changed the entire health care field of the time, into a drugs only approach. That still remains as largely failed as it was then; and in the bigger picture of all that exists today within the so called pharma sanctioned and still mislead medical monopoly of so called modern chemical pharma medicine.

    The Drug Story-A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

    The Real History of Modern Medicine
    Origins of Medical Industry Corruption
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-history-of-modern-medicine.html

  • Looking for vaccine truth is highly relevant in this case; and referring to those people as just lurkers, is entirely asinine. You continue to try to argue, just to argue; and just to provide for only another and one more reply post.

  • What do you mean “just” lurkers? It’s no more demeaning than calling somebody who watches a movie without being in it a “viewer.” There’s nothing wrong with being a lurker — you’re just trying to dishonestly put suggestions in other people’s mouths.

  • Well, that’s weird! I’m impressed that chiropractic was flourishing decades before it was invented! You know what else was thriving? Doctor Lindemann’s Miracle Ointment Guaranteed to Cure All Ailments. It didn’t work, either.

    Your argument for soil theory seems to be that it’s not being actively researched right now. If it was researched right now and the most devoted disciples of Béchamp couldn’t find microzymas or cells magically transforming into germs or any of the fundamental things required by soil theory, would you accept that it’s false?

    Oh, what am I saying? Of course you wouldn’t.

  • As a fact chiropractic did exist long before Palmer, although it was not the licensed form of it that exists today. You obviously don’t know the actual history.

    https://www.acatoday.org/About/History-of-Chiropractic
    https://www.spineuniverse.com/treatments/chiropractic/history-chiropractic
    https://www.ncahf.org/articles/c-d/chiro.html
    http://chirounity.com/478/chiropractic-maybe-the-best-defense-against-influenza/
    http://chiropracticadvocate.com/what-do-the-measles-and-flu-epidemic-of-1918-have-in-common/

    And what you are saying again is only a false assumption. Only a wish in your own pharma mislead and corrupted mind.

  • What a load of crap, as obviously all that term does is refer to reading these articles vaccine truth seekers, as somehow less than normally and cognitively functional, and thus unqualified to seek the vaccine truth as human beings. It is clearly a derogatory term.

  • Well, you got me there. I was thinking of the organized modality of fraud, not vague, nonspecific claims of people probably doing something with the spine before a ghost taught Palmer a better way to scam patients out of their money.

    It’s kind of revealing that one of your very own sources explains:

    “Chiropractic theory has failed tests of both validity and reliability. The “subluxation,” which is the foundation of its theory, has never been demonstrated to exist. Moreover, anatomist Edmund Crelin, PhD, twisted cadaver spines and found that nerves were not impinged as chiropractors postulate.”

    and

    “Chiropractors often misrepresent a review of manipulative therapy by the Rand Corporation as proof of chiropractic’s value. They generally do not reveal that:

    * The Rand study was not conducted because of some new indication of the apparent scientific merit of manipulative therapy, but because the chiropractic profession paid to have the study done.

    * Four of the nine evaluators of the studies were chiropractors who were favorably biased toward manipulation.

    * Only four of the 22 controlled trials they evaluated involved chiropractic care. The others involved safer techniques used by physical therapists, DOs, etc.

    * The Rand panel concluded that ‘the efficacy of spinal manipulation is neither proven nor disproven at this time.'”

  • If you want to invent your own personal definition for a common word the rest of the Internet knows has no derogatory meaning, feel free. It’s kind of helpful to see how disconnected you are from common sense.

  • And just because in your asinine mind, you say so? It is clearly a derogatory term.

  • The fact is that chiropractic works, and I have used it for years. With the serious injuries and spinal degeneration of sorts it has created in my case, nothing else works well, but that. You can deny the validity of chiropractic, and lie about it all you want. Mainstream physical therapy protocols have nothing on the benefits of chiropractic, and I have previously tried both. You can twist it all around to your in denial liking, all you want.

  • Ah, a single voluntary online case study from a highly-motivated conspiracy psycho. That’s the highest form of evidence around, isn’t it?

  • Stating that chiropractic works well, is somehow now only a conspiracy theory? The depraved level of stupidity and in denial sickness within your mind, is just massive, Ken S. You simply get off on needless human suffering, and in denying the public less than optimum health. This is all simply because you must continue to support the existing and largely failed big pharma based, controlling all information, and monopolized medical model.

    Chiropractic – Correcting Physiological Function and Strengthening Immunity
    http://www.vacfacts.info/chiropractic—correcting-physiological-function-and-strengthening-immunity.html

  • Stating that chiropractic works well, is somehow now only a conspiracy theory?

    No, that’s just plain false. Here’s the conspiracy part:

    This is all simply because you must continue to support the existing and
    largely failed big pharma based, controlling all information, and
    monopolized medical model.

    If your favorite fraudulent modalities weren’t fraudulent, their practitioners wouldn’t need to constantly lie. If they weren’t fraudulent, then their practitioners would be seeking ways to improve them, instead of reducing costs with cheap appeals to antiquity and magical thinking.

    If actual medicine worked the way chiropractic, homeopathy, acupuncture, and other vitalistic scams do, then it would be far, far more profitable. Alternative medicine scams depend on tricking customers (not patients) into believing they need useless products or services that cost very little to make, then providing those products and services at an arbitrary markup. Before, during, and after the con, their profits depend more on their ability to gain a customer’s trust and mislead them than on any actual good they can do for them. If they don’t get better, then the scammer makes the customer believe that it’s their own fault. If they get better while also using conventional medicine, they make them believe the scam is what really healed them. If they die, they blame the patient or shrug their shoulders.

    It makes no sense for alternative medicine practitioners to conduct any genuine research — research generally isn’t profitable unless it results in new knowledge, and the entire point of alternative medicine is that new knowledge is bad, and only old knowledge is good. When altmed scammers do “research,” (like your J.B. Adams study), their goal is to make the scam appear legitimate. To do that, they make sure that they will get the results they want by using bad methodology and crooked analysis. Hey! Just like your J.B. Adams study!

  • It surely sounds like you just described the big pharma based medical model that I referred to. You are a very sick and in denial, hypocrite. If you want to find places where people are escaping the standard and failed medical model and actually getting healthy again, all you have to do is travel to the working protocols, alternative health circles. You refuse to face it and that reality. Your twisted expose here is exactly that, nothing but false and twisted trash. You are a sick, twisted, and in denial man, Ken S. You need to simply face that fact.

  • I guess the big difference is that real medicine actually works and improves, both in practice or in experiments. Your witch doctors and mystics don’t bother with that annoying “science,” “safety,” and “effectiveness” stuff. After all, that would cut into their profits!

  • And you are to mislead and entirely stupid to realize that your article is all misinforming lies. You are seriously that sick and in denial.

    U.S. Judge Finds Medical Group Conspired Against Chiropractors
    http://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/29/us/us-judge-finds-medical-group-conspired-against-chiropractors.html

    The Chiropractic Antitrust Suit
    Wilk, et al vs. the AMA, et al
    http://www.chiro.org/Wilk/

    Medicine v. Chiropractic, a Timeline
    http://www.chirotexas.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2600:medicine-v–chiropractic–a-timeline&catid=36:clinical-chiropractic&Itemid=179

  • More lies. More twisted denial. It is as well clearly known that the big pharma based medical model is fraught with corruption and junk science. They are largely failed on every level. You simply refuse to see it honestly and rationally, and you refuse to face it. With all the known endless lists of side affects that pharmaceutical have, you want to talk to me about safety and effectiveness. Your bizarre level of lacking any sense of reality is amazing. You really need to wake up.

    Death By Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

  • An antitrust lawsuit doesn’t disprove the fact that chiropractic is fundamentally based on mystical baloney. It doesn’t disprove the fact that chiropractors are poorly-trained scammers who don’t know how to diagnose problems, delay diagnosis and treatment of conditions they can’t heal, and won’t reveal how many lives they’ve taken or destroyed with their blind shoving of bones and spinal cords.

    It’s no wonder that the AMA tried to use its clout to prevent its members from participating in or supporting a harmful fraud like chiropractic.

  • Oh, right, everything is just lies and junk science if it doesn’t support the scam. Tell me, how much do your witch doctors charge you a month to tell you the REAL truth!!!!!!!!!?

  • It’s right on my profile, Jeffrey.

  • Bare assertion.

    Evidence please.

  • Again, can you link us to some claims where they should win but didn’t? Thanks.

  • No, the real scam and your corrupt big pharma medical malarkey is what is based on the actual big pharma based junk science.

    And I don’t get charged anything to learn the real truth, and I have been learning it for years.

  • Ah, got your BS from Google U and a master’s from whale.to?

  • Harmful fraud like chiropractic? You really are entirely insane, aren’t you? If the said lawsuit had failed, and it clearly did not; then you may have have had some support for your claims. You do not. You are just a very sick and twisted angry man that lashes out against anything that does not support the largely failed methodology and the protocols of big pharma and their mislead for the past 100 years, medical model. You don’t even understand as much as what the basic and real physiologically based understandings of health care, really are.

  • Not really, but I am still far smarter and far more informed than you. And you actually think that is the only website that exists in regard to the finding and determining truth? How literally sick and desperate are you right now? Any readers should be appalled at your sick level of asinine and deliberate ignorance, and as well your endless level of denial.

  • If the said lawsuit had failed, and it clearly did not; then you may have have had some support for your claims.

    I guess we can chalk up law as another area of study in which you are woefully lacking. The fact that chiropractic is a scam had no bearing on the question before the court.

  • And who do you think is actually mislead and yet dumb enough to believe that claim? You either didn’t even read the information that was linked to you, or you ignored it. There is no evidence existing that chiropractic is a scam, period. Are you really dumb enough to think that chiropractic is a scam and that people for the past 100 years have been mislead and scammed into thinking there was a benefit? And you really think that society is that ignorant and stupid? To falsely claim to that is only representative of your own obviously pathetic level of stupidity. Just face it. So seriously, what the hell is actually wrong with you, anyway? Come on, pretend you are lying on a couch, and that I am taking notes?

  • Try actually reading the decisions.

    The plaintiffs clearly want more from the court. They want a judicial pronouncement that chiropractic is a valid, efficacious, even scientific health care service. I believe that the answer to that question can only be provided by a well designed, controlled, scientific study such as the one urged by the United States Congress’ Office of Technology Assessment in its review of the New Zealand Report. In 1980, the AMA House of Delegates urged that such a study be done. No such study has ever been done. In the absence of such a study, the court is left to decide the issue on the basis of largely anecdotal evidence. I decline to pronounce chiropractic valid or invalid on anecdotal evidence.

    Try actually looking that information that isn’t spoon-fed to you by quacks.

    Try being even a little bit skeptical when magicians and con artists pose as healers. People have been falling for scams for millennia.

  • Mike Stevens

    “Who said there were never any existing so called, epidemics?”

    Lowell Hubbs, a couple of comments above.
    “If only half of America is properly vaccinated, where are the epidemics?”

    Discussing anything with you is a waste of my time.

  • Mike Stevens

    No, we don’t!

  • sabelmouse

    everything is illuminated.

  • FallsAngel

    No, I’m not a lurker Lowell-what an inane comment! If the person lied about talking to their own great-grandmother, that is significant. If I could channel my father, he would tell a different story. It’s just one person’s account.

  • FallsAngel

    But you knew what it meant. That’s the difference between you and my friend from S. Africa, though she did grow up speaking Afrikaans, not English, mostly. English was her second language.

  • Jesus baby

    I hit level 80 in Battlefield 1 last night.

  • George Henry

    This is OUTRAGEOUS! This is legalized murder. I feel like I’m living back in Nazi Germany. These provax monsters would make Joseph Mengele proud. Not only are vaccines not safe, there is no independent research showing them to be effective either. Dear Lord, how did we get to this juncture that allows mainstream medicine and big Pharma to dictate to parents what they must put in to their children’s bodies? Some states actually mandate these toxic vaccines. Just incredible. The vaccine holocaust MUST END people. Enough is enough!

  • BikeIce

    Your question is irrelevant. It’s not a REAL court. There is no jury. There is no cross examination of experts. There is one “special master” who decides the case. That is antithetical to the so-called American justice system. Who picks the special master and what are his qualifications to decide who is vaccine damaged and who is not? It was set up by Big Pharma to be rigged in their favor as they were losing lots of cases up until 1986. And that is exactly what it has done since then.

  • Evidence please.

    And no, it’s directly relevant to “kangaroo court.”

  • CAsaxman

    Strangely enough I could not find your response to me that you posted on 10:14 am on Saturday, January 21 on this string, where you said: “Where exactly have you seen babies with their oxygen supply cut off? This should be good.” (Did you delete it?) Anyway in order to respond to you and June’s comment of “No, it was name calling following by an anecdote that is not physiologically accurate. Followed by a wild accusation.” here ya go:

    One example in my 30 year career as a medic was when my partner and I were transporting a baby from the NICU at Children’s Hospital to her home. The baby was born prematurely and had to be on a ventilator that was connected via her trachea. When we got her home, carrying her and her equipment into her house inadvertently detached the ventilator tube to her trachea. Within 20 seconds or so the poor darling began to thrash about in desperation to get oxygen. I’ll never forget the absolute terror on her face; yes a little baby had a CLEAR look of terror on her face. We reattached her tubing and immediately she calmed down. Was that good enough for you?

  • Mike Stevens

    I had to look it up!

  • Jonathan Graham

    the drugs that were removed was because the harm to adults was so apparent that they had no choice

    Nope, take pandemrix for example. It was government agencies which first reported the possible connection and the relationship was so subtle that it took huge datasets to determine if this was really happening. The only people who had that were the researchers.

    The people who determined that the problem is probably localized to a particular vaccine – scientists. The people who determined that it was likely to be vaccine related. Scientists. Anything the public said they got from scientists.

  • Jonathan Graham

    these dcotors were in the field with practical experience

    It’s interesting that you think that experience some how magically creates information. The fact is that none of these people did any kind of useful statistical analysis. Makes their experience and/or consciences are pretty much irrelevant.

    Their

    Near non-existent

    math skills were use in counting vaccine deaths and injuries.

    Counting isn’t the same as being able to speak the the likelihood that something that happened after vaccination was caused by it. To do that you need to compare vs. chance. Which these people never did.

    I’ll believe

    …because you are selectively gullible.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well you clearly believe that I have to buy into someone’s etiology concerning vaccines injury to be considered compassionate.

  • Jonathan Graham

    all of them are known shills

    I think you mean people you enjoy fantasizing about as trolls.

  • Jonathan Graham

    If you have an actual counter-argument feel free to post it Lowell. Otherwise it’s safe to say that you’ve got nothing. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Why would I say that?

    You’ve posted those exact words. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and yet you can’t say where I’m lying. Your inability to talk about these alleged lies and your constant calling people liars and other pejoratives. Just adds statistical evidence to the idea that you’re just here to abuse and harass. :-)

  • So you actually expect a counter argument to what amounts to only your own complete nonsense, and continued mud mucking level of …insanity?

  • And your are even more of an idiot than I thought you were, if you actually think you are fooling anyone, with that.

  • A shill lurker; and I can define it anyway I choose to, and regardless of the so called official definition. You as well have never given any evidence for lying about talking to their own grandmother. You lied and you just simply made that false accusation up; and that is what is really significant, and if not out rightly in denial, sick.

  • Jonathan Graham

    In short, the economics of paying people to post here is either not worth it to the company or not worth it to the person. You have no counter argument.

  • FallsAngel

    “I can define it anyway (sic) I choose to, and regardless of the so called (sic) official definition.”
    http://www. bartleby. com/73/2019. html
    ” “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful
    tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
    “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.” ”

    Yeah, that’s how you operate, Lowell.

    I said I doubted the author was talking to his/her own great-grandmother.
    See this: G-gm, Mary (the most popular name for girls in 1914) had a baby, Barbara (2nd most popular name of its day as Mary was still #1) in 1944. GM Barbara had Jennifer in 1974. Mom Jennifer had Emma in 2004. Emma, Mary’s great-granddaughter, was 10 years old in 2014 when this article was written.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell, you like to think of certain people here as shills. Right? You can provide no evidence to support this. So why is so unreasonable to look at this as something that exists entirely in your head?

  • I have seen what they post before and where they post it, fool. End your sick denial.

  • Augustina

    Actually Mike, your numbers fed to you by those invested in vaccines are incorrect. Most vaccine reactions are not even tracked so no one has proof to make the claim that reactions occur rarely, let alone 1 in a million times. Vaccine injuries are not rare. We know this from the millions of parents speaking up about how their child reacted to the shots. You are regurgitating a made up claim with no proof. When vaccine manufacturers throw out these numbers, they do not multiply their findings to adjust for the severe reactions that go unreported, all to make vaccines appear to be safer than they really are.

  • And after all that irrelevant and twisted insanity which you posted here, how does any of that directly apply to this article, and as to any evidence of there being any lying fraud existing? No matter what you continue to post, you always end up right back at square one.

    I Was Told To Ask the “Older” Generation About Vaccines…So I Did
    http://www.livingwhole.org/i-was-told-to-ask-the-older-generation-about-vaccines-so-i-did/

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and that makes a statistically strong argument for them being shills because……nothing?!

  • Ahh, that isn’t what I was told. It is happening regardless of if you are directly involved, or not. The confirmation source is much more solid than you could ever hope to be in the next 50 years.

  • He’s already said he can define words any way he pleases, so he clearly defines “shill” as “a person who disagrees with me.”

  • FallsAngel

    It applies to the article because the author could not have been old enough to write an article about talking to her great-grandmother about vaccines.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ahh, that isn’t what I was told.

    You were misinformed.

    The confirmation source is much more solid than you could ever hope to be in the next 50 years.

    …and the evidence for that is nothing. Not to mention that your ability to calculate probability is near zero. So any statement about the likelihood of something i.e. how likely it is that you are deluded is going to be weak.

    For example, what did your source say they were being paid per post?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well obviously if someone doesn’t find the copypasta of Lowell Hubbs compelling. It can’t be HIS fault. Just like when he calls people names. That can’t be HIS fault. :-)

  • No it does not, and you yet have zero evidence for that, and no such information or claims correlate at all to that articles written story.

  • How can you say I was misinformed and the evidence is nothing, when supposedly you don’t even know where evidence came from, and nor from who? So called David as well confirmed everything I had been previously told. And as for the disgusting and very sick man that you are, all you can do is continue to attempt to falsely harass me regarding what is clearly known.

    Do you even as much as read the BS that you post? All that does is reaffirm your own in denial and lying stupidity.

  • There is absolutely nothing ever that you won’t deny, so your repeatedly lying denial is worth absolutely nothing. All your replies are is continued and repeated harassment.

  • Oh I see, all along you were hiding behind a known twisted no science really there disinformation piece …Gorski article. I should have known, and because that is all you shills ever have, and can come up with.

    All that article is is a hit piece that as well attempts to falsely discredit Megan Heimer, and after reading and scanning through it, there is nothing that actually discredits her at all. Lest of all there is nothing in that article that discredits or find anything wrong with her, I Was Told To Ask the “Older” Generation About Vaccines…So I Did … article, and nor as to its stated in years, time line.

    Go ahead and make another wretched and deceptive reply post here, but I can assure you you are wasting your time.

  • Jonathan Graham

    How can you say I was misinformed and the evidence is nothing, when supposedly you don’t even know where evidence came from, and nor from who?

    Because the economics don’t work out and you can’t produce the evidence.

    So called David as well confirmed everything I had been previously told.

    Lowell, seriously that’s just something you are confabulating. It’s a delusion.

    o attempt to falsely harass me regarding what is clearly known

    Lowell, when you are willfully responding to me (and piling high insult after insult after insult after insult) it’s hard to make the argument that you are being harassed. It’s more like YOU are harassing people.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m not denying anything. I’m saying that there is no evidence here. Again when you are constantly and willfully responding to someone with insult after insult after insult after insult after insult. You aren’t being harassed. If anything you are the harasser. :-)

  • Mike Stevens

    Well how frequent is encephalitis post-vaccination then?
    If you doubt the scientific evidence, can you provide some valid evidence of your own to support your claim, or are you just making up your own narrative to conform with your preconceptions?

  • That is because the source of the evidence is private. And no, you are actually doing the repeated antagonizing, and you are the real harasser. What I respond with is simply well deserved.

  • Your reply again amounts to only more false claims and lying harassment; and which as well is just full of your own sick level of hypocrisy.

  • Jonathan Graham

    That is because the source of the evidence is private.

    Most made up evidence is.

    And no, you are actually doing the repeated antagonizing

    Sorry Lowell when you are constantly perusing people and insulting

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again Lowell, when someone like you is constantly following me around and insulting me. You can’t call my polite responses harassment. If anything, you would be considered the person harassing folk.

    There’s also nothing false about what I’m saying. You can’t produce the evidence and you have no counter-argument showing the economics work. That is perfectly true.

    As for your believing that David confessed to something. Again you can’t even point to a post where this was done in anything resembling English.

  • How beyond twisted and delusional are you; is there no end to it all? Obviously not. How am I following you around when the notification of your replies are in the little red circle you know of. How is that possible when I am not even checked off, to follow you on discus?

    Polite has nothing to do with it when the pointless harassment and false antagonization that you create, is all done without directly personal insults. You of course do that for a reason, but none the less what you post in your replies, is still exactly that, and only more falsely antagonizing going on, and thus more direct harassment.

    In your mind you can twist it like a pretzel repeatedly, but it does no change the facts about what you are repeatedly doing.

    You don’t even know what the economics are, and/or what they are doing; unless you were to be involved. Perhaps you should just face that obvious reality. And no I do not need to copy and paste back to you anyone posts. You want to talk about it then you copy and paste them and explain just how that it never happened. This as well is actually none of your business.

    You are just a very sick and twisted man that likely as well knows as to that issue, far more than you let onto to.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell this whole thread about economics was YOU jumping into a response I made to Jesus Baby. It’s right there in my inbox.

    How is that possible when I am not even checked off, to follow you on discus?

    Because you can follow anyone around who doesn’t have their history hidden.

    Polite has nothing to do with it

    Sure does. In a public setting if someone is politely responding to you and you are just making insult after insult after insult. You will be viewed as the harasser.

    You don’t even know what the economics are, and/or what they are doing; unless you were to be involved.

    Lowell, I don’t have to sell likes on facebook to realize that they are of such incredibly low economic value that only someone living somewhere much cheaper to live than Canada would be able to survive on it.

    And no I do not need to copy and paste back to you anyone posts.

    Lowell think about it. I’m saying that this confession you say David made is all in your head to anyone else it’s going David might as well be talking about baking chocolate chip cookies. So you are the only person who can validate your point. Refusing to just adds evidence to the side of the scale labeled “Lowell just confabulated this”.

  • Be sure to compare it with post-disease too.

  • And just look at the level of your insanity in that twisted and as well taking things out of context, cut up and cut to shreds post of yours. And you as well continue to just repeatedly ignore anything and everything that I have stated to you. Again, you are a seriously sick, twisted, antagonizing, harassing, and lying piece of subhuman garbage.

  • Jonathan Graham

    And just look at the level of your insanity

    Can you point out what specific part is insane? Nope. If I ask, you will refuse and insult.

    as well taking things out of context

    Can you point out what specific part is out of context? Nope. If I ask, you will refuse and insult.

    See Lowell there’s nothing antagonistic or harassing about simply possessing a view contrary to yours and there’s nothing antagonistic or harassing about simply not being willing to accept your views. There’s nothing antagonistic about politely stating these things. Yet you would be hard pressed to show where I do much else. So you really have no basis for your accusations. :-)

  • Again, I don’t need to because that is all clearly obvious; and as well everything you post contains nothing but your own demented level of denial and insanity.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and yet all I am doing is possessing a view contrary to yours. Not being convinced by your beliefs and politely conversing on a public board.

    None of that is antagonistic, harassing. In fact it would be ridiculous to consider these things even aggressive. You on the other hand constantly insult, constantly dismiss and constantly refuse to engage in productive conversation. All of these are pretty aggressive things.

  • FallsAngel

    Megan, OTOH, was born in 1998. It’s doubtful her great-grandmother was born in 1914.

  • Mike Stevens

    “Actually Mike, your numbers fed to you by those invested in vaccines are incorrect….You are regurgitating a made up claim with no proof.”
    With respect, Augustina, I do not get “numbers fed to me by those invested in vaccines”. I am an infection specialist in the UK NHS, and I oversee three NIHR funded studies on neuroinfection in my hospital. My sources are original scientific papers and data, are meticulously scrutinised, and my conclusions are precise and not swayed by reading websites or narratives from antivaccine sources (as yours are), or provax/industry sources.

    The incidence of encephalitis post vaccine is around one in a million shots for vaccines like MMR. As I stated, other vaccines can cause it, but smallpox is not used and rabies vaccine is now a different formulation to the one which provoked earlier problems. Influenza vaccine can trigger acute encephalomyelitis post vaccination, the rate this happens is as yet unclear – estimates vary, but one thing is certain – these complications are at least 3 orders of magnitude LESS frequent following a vaccine than they are if one has the natural infection.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24865261
    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(57)92135-9/abstract
    https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/189/Supplement_1/S4/823958/The-Clinical-Significance-of-Measles-A-Review
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK190025/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12415036

  • Mike Stevens

    The “inverted pyramid hierarchy of antivaccine evidence”, I call it.

  • Mike Stevens

    I would have asked my great aunt about it, and my uncle.
    Unfortunately I couldn’t because they both died from infectious diseases.

  • sabelmouse

    wow, maybe one day, when you’re grown up, you’ll play games that require thinking.

  • Well, in order for you to know that is the case then you’ll have your own original numbers. Would you kindly share?

  • Ron Roy

    So Johnny explain how all these drugs, that were studied for safety and efficacy by the drug companies themselves and approved by the FDA, got on the market? And know Johnny the first ones to notice problems with drugs or vaccines were the people being subjected to them. These scientists were stuck in between a rock and a hard place they HAD to admit the drugs / vaccines were at fault. Nice shilling though.

  • Jesus baby

    Actually I was 3rd board on my chess team in high school. We won our region and finished 2nd in the state championship! 3 of my teammates went on to become candidate masters!

  • Jonathan Graham

    So Johnny explain how all these drugs, that were studied for safety and efficacy by the drug companies themselves and approved by the FDA, got on the market?

    Do you mean “and get pulled later?”. I already explained that, sometimes the sample sizes are simply not large enough. According to the European Medicines Union – Committee for Medicinal Products for Human Use (CHMP) in their 2014 report estimates there were 31 million doses and ten excess cases of narcolepsy.

    And know

    Stop using your tablet or phone to respond doofus.

    Johnny the first ones to notice problems with drugs or vaccines were the people being subjected to them.

    Not in any useful sense of the term. Someone who breaks their leg and someone who breaks their leg because months ago they took a drug which increased the likelihood of leg breakage by 0.5% experience the same thing. A person doesn’t doesn’t experience a 0.5% increase in risk.

    These scientists were stuck in between a rock and a hard place they HAD to admit the drugs / vaccines were at fault.

    Actually the data with regard to Pandemrix was back and forth for a while. Anytime you want to stop confabulating evidence let me know.

    Nice shilling though.

    Reported and downvoted for the use of the term.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Reported and downvoted.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I think you mean the hundreds of thousands of doctors who rely on statistically strong evidence. Those are the ones who don’t agree with you Ron. Perhaps if you spent to time finding or encouraging the production of higher quality evidence you would be more successful in convincing them.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The obvious. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck etc.

    But that’s actually avoiding the question. What set of characteristics do June’s posts possess which differentiate them from 99.99% of normal people who disagree with you.

  • sabelmouse

    good for you.

  • Actually, that refers to IV and IM and refers to anaphlyatic shock and allergies Given that vaccines aren’t given IV and neither is Vit K – irrelevant. The box says to inject it SC.

    The part you are talking about says this, in the very next sentence:

    “Aluminum may reach toxic
    levels with prolonged parenteral administration if kidney function is impaired”

    Explain that sentence in your own words.

  • Jesus baby

    Thanks a bunch!

  • sabelmouse

    do you need MY approval and validation?

  • Jesus baby

    Wouldn’t that be OK?

  • sabelmouse

    if you need it you need it.

  • CAsaxman

    Quoting you: “the manufacturers prove it’s safe”. Do you SEE that? The MANUFACTURERS prove it’s safe. Doesn’t that bother you, that the corporation, the soulless business entity that wants nothing but profits, is the promulgator of these studies? Conflict of interest…..MAYBE???? Dig DEEPER…..the TRUTH is out there! (Please excuse me for the X-files reference, I couldn’t help it)!

  • Then explain Gadad et al.

  • MykeC

    Why would I go to a website that spreads misinformation?

  • CAsaxman

    You mean “Jadad et al,1996”? How is that relevant at all? It may be a quality assessment instrument but the POTENTIAL for manipulation by POWERFUL interests such as Big Pharma

  • BikeIce

    I think Trump is Getting Ready to Punch Vaccine-Induced Autism in the Face!

    By Kent Heckenlively, J.D.

    I’ve been wanting to write this article for a long time. I’ve been waiting years for the moment to arrive when the normal rules which govern human behavior begin to reassert themselves.

    What do I mean by that?

    I mean that when some child falls down a well and can’t immediately be rescued, the whole country stops, prays, and holds its collective breath until that child is rescued. Have two crazed lunatics set off bombs at the Boston Marathon and the city will push itself to the very limits of endurance until the perpetrators are caught. Our televisions are filled with images of sick children asking for money for the hospital which cares for them and we are moved.

    Nothing even remotely similar happens for autism families.

    Our children have fallen down the well of neurological injury, and not only are we ignored, but we are actively attacked for saying that vaccines caused these injuries, and are doing so on a massive scale.

    Years before Hillary Clinton used the expression, “basket of deplorables” we knew that was how the mercenary media, propped up by their pharma dollars, portrayed us to the public.

    Our public health authorities and the pharmaceutical companies have blown apart the health of a generation of children and yet the public is strangely silent. Instead, we who point out this carnage are depicted as the enemy. Like the vassals of some totalitarian state, the public outrage is directed at those who simply point out the truth.

    Our children are sick and nobody comes to our aid.

    I guess that some victims are more important than others.

    Don’t believe me? I encourage you to read the Wiki-Leaks email from February of 2016 where Hillary Clinton’s staffers discuss the vaccine/autism issue. Yes, they admit, in 2008 Barack Obama said that vaccines and autism need to be investigated and that we should have an “Autism Czar”. Hillary Clinton and John McCain said similar things. Well, eight years later, Obama is done with the White House, hanging out in Palm Springs, and we have no “Autism Czar”. Eight years ago my daughter who has seizures and autism was ten years old. Now she is eighteen. Forgive me if I say I am damned glad that the Obama years are now on the garbage heap of history.

    And what of our new President, Donald J. Trump?

    Starting in 2012 (and probably earlier) he was open to hearing information from Dr. Gary Kompothecras of Florida about the massive increase in immunizations and even started tweeting and speaking openly about it.

    In the Republican debate of September of 2015 at the Reagan Library he took a direct shot from CNN anchor, Jake Tapper, (who ten years earlier killed CNN’s story on Simpsonwood), when Tapper asked Dr. Ben Carson if Trump should stop saying vaccines cause autism.

    Trump didn’t back down, (like Senator Rand Paul, who met with our people, said he understood, said some mildly supportive things, then when he got criticized, raced in front of the cameras to get his picture taken getting a shot). Trump, instead, stood up and said we were pumping our children full of too many vaccines.

    The autism community was starting to see that this blue-collar billionaire was going to be a different kind of politician.

    Donald and Andrew confer on vaccine issues…
    Then came August of 2016 when Trump sat down with Dr. Andy Wakefield, the British researcher who first proposed a possible link between the measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism in 1998, and was vilified throughout the world, as well as representatives of many other autism groups. The meeting lasted almost fifty minutes and ended with Trump taking a copy of Wakefield’s documentary, “VAXXED: From Cover-up to Catastrophe”, and promising to watch it. Additionally, Trump promised that if he won, there would be further meetings, this time at the White House.

    After Trump won, he got busy making good on his promises.

    President Donald J. Trump, Robert F. Kennedy Jr, Vice-President Mike Pence
    He appointed Robert Kennedy, Jr. to head a panel on vaccine safety and scientific integrity. And when that appointment got criticized, he didn’t fold like a cheap suit. And in what can only be interpreted as a fulfillment of his promise in August of 2016 to the autism community, Dr. Wakefield attended one of the Trump Inaugural balls.

    What will follow from here?

    I don’t know, but for the first time in many years I’m actually excited. I don’t expect Trump to follow Obama’s lead and promise an “Autism Czar”, then conveniently forget about it for the next eight years.

    Trump is a transactional guy, he likes to believe that his word means something, and unlike politics, in the private sector people are expected to perform. I don’t pretend to know all the obstacles Trump will face, but after listening to that Inaugural speech where he didn’t tone a single thing down, I’d say he’s a disruptor.

    That’s what autism needs. I expect my daughter’s life at the age of twenty-six at the end of Trump’s second term to be much different than it is right now. God willing.

    To learn more about the history of vaccines, autism, and Trump’s interest in the issue, you can get my book, INOCULATED: How Science Lost its Soul in Autism, available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble.

    By Kent Heckenlively, J.D.

  • That is not what I asked for, at all.

  • No, I do not mean Jadad et al, 1996.

    I mean(t) Gadad et al – http://www.pnas.org/content/112/40/12498.abstract

  • Laura J

    Awful…so sad! We never had that problem at the hospital when our baby was born. He is up to date, but spread out with vaccines. He also has a murmur, to which we are guarded. I think they definitely need to be modified or investigated further before any decision is made. Sure, they say science is real proof. But not those who witness the after effects. On the side of each drug is a risk of side effects. Anything you put in your body is a drug. Some people are allergic to water, too.

  • AutismDadd

    Wrong, industry stooge, but nice try painting ME as the bad guy, when its YOU who has no sympathy or compassion for thousands of vaccine injuries that occur each year.

  • AutismDadd

    Bull. Nice lie

  • AutismDadd

    I doubt you see anything clearly. You fantasize about what others think all the time and are wrong 100% of the time.

  • AutismDadd

    Vaccine injury table? OH PALEASE!!! The con game organized and played by CDC, a VACCINE COMPANY itself, with patents for vaccines and vaccine components. VAERS and the NVICP are all part of the charade that they are on top of the RARE and MILD and seldom seen vaccine injury. The public isn’t the same as they were in the past Mike. The con isn’t working any more.

  • AutismDadd

    Throwing out numbers like when they claim 95% accept vaccination, or 95% develop immunity from vaccines. Can’t be proven, but makes for superb sound bites.

  • AutismDadd

    Lame. Who does the science, publishes the stats, writes all vaccine related information and who sit on safety boards? Vaccine makers and advocates. So are they going to publish damning evidence of their failures? Get real industry minion Mike, they control the science in all ways and control the information and messages.

  • AutismDadd

    As we can see Mike provides biased info from the very sources we don’t trust. He has the nerve to provide research from the Lancet, a journal known for selling out to British Vaccine proponents over Wakefield et al. Others are from Agents of Medical Consensus who accept that vaccines cause harm because their mantra is that its for the good of all to vaccinate. That could be buffered by them admitting to all of it and by compensating victims, but instead they play with words and with their own versions of science and injury. They allow victims to be portrayed as con artists lying to get free money. They accuse lawyers of making millions from bogus claims instead of admitting the claims are real.

  • AutismDadd

    I have a number for you…two ..you have it for brains.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Wrong

    What I’m saying is correct. You have no ability to say where I’m lying or doing anything wrong really. That does, like it or not advance the evidence that you’re just here to abuse and harass.

    its YOU who has no sympathy or compassion for thousands of vaccine injuries that occur each year.

    I am sympathetic toward people and their problems. You however have what appears to be a delusional standard for compassion which requires people to buy into peoples misunderstandings in order to be considered compassionate.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. It’s true. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well let’s take this bit. You have rather strongly implied that I need to believe people who claim that some condition…say autism is from vaccines. How is that a 100% wrong belief about you?

  • AutismDadd

    Try making sense

  • AutismDadd

    Love how one lie tries to cover up the previous one.

  • AutismDadd

    Yawn. Trying to discredit me as a means to win the argument is standard industry shill.

  • Is that a yes?

  • Jonathan Graham

    So in other words you can’t find anything wrong with that statement. So that makes you wrong twice. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    You have no argument. So it’s more likely that you are just here to harass and abuse.

  • You actually wouldn’t go to it because it provides for the evidence of to much direct vaccine truth. More truth you can handle. Prove me wrong and answer those questions? See how far you can get.

  • All I again read here is more repeated crazy, and that which is clearly not worth anyone’s time.

  • Proponent

    Lowell Hubbs: “The fact is that chiropractic works, and I have used it for years.”

    Hmm.. I am not so sure about that, Lowell.

    What kind of adjustment was performed to alleviate the subluxation that placed your head firmly up your butt?

  • By that statement I can clearly see who’s head is actually up their butt. Yours. So how many socket puppets here does Jesus baby actually have? Or do you all just work in the same room?

  • CAsaxman

    Please tell me that you are not saying thimerosal is safe!? It is a an organomercury compound, a known NEUROTOXIN that wreaks havoc in our bodies. Wikipedia states: Neurotoxins are toxins that are poisonous or destructive to nerve tissue (causing neurotoxicity).[3] Neurotoxins are an extensive class of exogenous chemical neurological insults[4] that can adversely affect function in both developing and mature nervous tissue.[5] Sorry my friend but this is the TOTAL reason why I am against vaxxing. It’s the POISON that they contain, not the science of how they MIGHT help.

  • Can you explain Gadad et al? I cited that because it was funded by safeminds.

    At what dose is it a known neurotoxin and what dose is it in vaccines?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal

    “All things are poison and nothing is without poison; only the dose makes a thing not a poison.” – Paracelsus.

  • kfunk937

    Multiple bare assertions. I counted nine. For four sentences, that’s remarkable. I’m especially curious to learn how “vaccines change our DNA” and “in a negative way.” He11, in any way.

  • kfunk937

    Just out of curiosity, are you also a teetotaller? EtOH is both neurotoxic and cardiotoxic (among other end-organs)…in sufficient quantities.

  • Ron Roy

    I see Johnny doesn’t find this ”fun ” anymore. He reports and downvotes when he’s having a tantrum .

  • Ron Roy

    If you have a good diet that will lead to a strong immune system and that healthy immune system would neutralize any pathogenic germ you’d encounter. The MEDICAL MAFIA would shrink to the point where the only need for doctors would be for repairing accidental injuries. Imagine healthy people not needing drugs or vaccines which only create more patients for the medical profession anyway.

  • Ron Roy

    Proponent you’re looking in a mirror again. It’s your head that’s up your butt.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Not exactly. I’m reporting usages of “shill” because it seems like the right thing to do (I got the idea from seeing OIOM doing this). Don’t worry Ron, it’s not like I’m going to stop talking to you. There are things that my kids do which I find totally hilarious but are not generally productive behavioral norms. So even though I’m laughing on the inside you still provide consequences because you don’t want them to get the idea that this behavior is acceptable (or generally acceptable).

    Now if your use of shill was actually a conversation about the evidence for anyone here being a shill that would of course be different.

    He reports and downvotes when he’s having a tantrum .

    Well thanks for the confirmation that this bothers you. Apparently I’m doing the right thing.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well thanks for admitting the problem is you. As usual I can point out the specific words which are problematic in your post (i.e. you claim something is crazy but can’t give any example of what or why). You, of course can’t…and as always you demonstrate that it’s worth your time to respond. Now if you can just get around to responding intelligently. :-)

  • Jesus baby

    Socket puppets, Lowell? Speaking of SOCK puppets, how’s tripnasty84 doing? Mighty quiet, huh? Afraid to use him again aren’t you?

  • Jonathan Graham

    If you have a good diet that will lead to a strong immune system and that healthy immune system would neutralize any pathogenic germ you’d encounter

    So what objective test e.g bloodwork can be done to validate that someone had a sufficiently good diet which would neutralize any pathogenic germ (bacteria, viruses, fungi).

  • AutismDadd

    Yes Buzz, portray me as the bad guy while you defend the harm vaccines do. What a classless act.

  • AutismDadd

    Your ability to comprehend is compromised. Too many Red Bull

  • Jonathan Graham

    I don’t have to portray you as a bad person. You’re choosing to be one. Every person you harass, even insult you deliver is your choice to be the bad guy.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. You just have nothing.

  • AutismDadd

    Not the same thing. I said you make claims w/o evidence about other posters and are wrong 100% of the time. But as usual you go weasel and start trying to change it around like you have been cornered.

  • AutismDadd

    Coming from a classless act that has no credibility

  • Do you think that applies to rabies?

    Death to fascists.

  • AutismDadd

    Maybe that’s what he is a proponent of?

  • AutismDadd

    Juvenile

  • AutismDadd

    Maybe he has the flu. He claimed to have gotten the shot, so chances are he’s home sick.

  • AutismDadd

    Yea, that so called science. Actually its proprietary property that you can’t actually have access to or make claims against.

  • AutismDadd

    In other words there are MANY screw ups. Yea we know. But when FDA approval means that any harm done is tough tomatoes for victims, its callous disregard, something you applaud.

  • AutismDadd

    And safety testing was done on whom? Oh yea FREE TEST SUBJECTS. See FDA learned a lot from the VIOXX incident.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Not the same thing

    So in other words I’m 100% right about your delusion concerning what is and is not compassion. :-)

    I said you make claims w/o evidence

    Nope what you said was that I “fantasize about what others think”. I assume you mean that I talk about what motivates people. Of course that’s done with evidence. I usually tell you what evidence I’m using. You may not agree it’s strong evidence – sometimes neither would I however the fact remains that any outcome which is concordant with a hypothesis has to support said hypothesis.

    are wrong 100% of the time.

    So you know everyone I post about with absolute intimacy to be able to determine anything I say about them? Are you admitting that everyone I talk about is some sockpuppet of yours or are you just lying or what?

    But as usual you go weasel and start trying to change it around like you have been cornered.

    Showing you where your logic and memory are in error is not weaseling.

  • AutismDadd

    But they have that covered too. You can’t sue. And as in the past with highly profitable VIOXX, the company made billions even after estimates of death and harm were in the hundreds of thousands. It was shown MERCK (synonymous with product fraud and consumer death) knew injury would likely occur, and they knowingly harmed consumers. But their favorite loophole, the one Justice Officials ALLOW them to use as an escape clause, is the out of court settlement. So MERCK (synonymous with product fraud and consumer death) owners and employees walked free and the amount of fines and compensation was a fraction of VIOXX profits.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It doesn’t matter who I am. You are still making the choices to be a bad person here on Disqus.

  • AutismDadd

    Hey great weaseling . Knew I could count on you to supply further proof. Carry on.

  • AutismDadd

    And what about your choices? Oh of course its all me and not you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Forty two of the 66 sites for pandemrix testing were in the UK. I don’t know all the details of approval there but usually these are paid. 24 sites were in SE Asia.

    So you are largely to entirely incorrect.

  • Jonathan Graham

    There are things that are difficult to infer from trial data. This is just a fact of life. In the case I’m talking about there was recourse and compensation to the people harmed and, as I’ve mentioned to you before (but you had your fingers in your ears). I’m glad they got compensated.

    So again you’re wrong.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Reported.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, you can’t point out any specific terms that are weaseling. So this is just more of your vague assertions to avoid dealing with the fact that you are wrong.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Dude your behavior IS ALL YOU. You have every ability to stop being a bad person and start talking normally to folk here. Regardless of how they behave.

  • AutismDadd

    And you have no flaws? GUFFAW!

  • AutismDadd

    You haven’t proven me wrong, you’ve continued to weasel.

  • AutismDadd

    I was going to report you, but its best coming from you. Confessions are good for the soul.

  • AutismDadd

    Weasel. So you side with MERCK (synonymous with product fraud and consumer death). And the unknowing, trusting consumers are in their graves, real nice!

  • Jonathan Graham

    Everyone has flaws. However you are claiming that you are being “made out to be the bad guy”. I’m telling you that you have chosen to be the bad guy.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Except that’s not what happened. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    The only thing I side with is reality.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’ve definitely shown your argument that a) I say things about people without evidence b) that I am wrong 100% is wrong in the first case and insufficient to make your point in the second.

  • AutismDadd

    Unfortunately I’m only concerned with my side of the argument and I disagree with your account 100%

  • AutismDadd

    Hardly. Now you’ve shown yourself as an unreliable source. Tell us about your reality

  • AutismDadd

    Hey its your soul

  • AutismDadd

    Wrong. I may be radical, even Robin Hood like, but I’ve no chosen to be bad. All’s fair in love and war.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Dude you choose to insult and harass people every day. That is being the bad person here. Sorry.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Reality is a big subject. Perhaps you can narrow it down your question somewhat.

  • Jonathan Graham

    That’s still not what happened. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    Its your term. Reality is subjective.

  • AutismDadd

    I steal from the Rich and give a hard time to industry shills.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m only concerned with my side of the argument

    Which I’ve shown to be in error.

    I disagree with your account

    However you can no support your account. So you really have no argument. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    It is my term but it covers a lot of territory. So if you want me to tell you something you’re going to have to be more specific.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You have chosen to insult and harass every day here. That is being a bad person.

  • AutismDadd

    What would you call a person who harms others with their product then?

  • AutismDadd

    No

  • AutismDadd

    That’s fine. I have no desire to banter about what you think. You have played your cards and have a flush…whoosh

  • CAsaxman

    Frankly I wouldn’t want ANY heavy metal in my body, let alone a tiny infants body. BTW I really appreciate your approach to debate this matter, very civil. In the end in my opinion the TRUTH will prevail IF we consider ALL sides to this issue. We all must be open to all the information that is out there and not prejudge any position.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Interesting there are groups which specifically advertise their experience with NVICP.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s more a discussion of the flaws in your argument.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Then there’s not that much to say.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Knowingly? That makes them a bad person.

  • AutismDadd

    Yes

  • Jonathan Graham

    Then your question: “Tell us about your reality” was kind of silly.

  • AutismDadd

    Don’t be daft. What flaws?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Already pointed them out. :-)

  • CAsaxman

    Indeed in sufficient quantities alcohol will kill you. But consider HOW much it would take to be lethal. What I’m concerned with is the introduction heavy metals into babies. Even in small quantities.Young children are more susceptible to the effects of heavy metal exposure because they absorb several times the percent introduced into their bodies compared with adults and because their brains are more plastic and even brief exposures may influence developmental processes. The route of exposure is also important. Elemental mercury is relatively inert in the gastrointestinal tract and also poorly absorbed through intact skin, yet inhaled or injected elemental mercury may have disastrous effects.

  • AutismDadd

    A “Big Immune System”? A “Complex Immune System”? How complex is it? And how does injecting unnatural substances enhance our Big Complex Immune System?

  • AutismDadd

    Assertions

  • AutismDadd

    Nope. But you weaseled your way out of answering.

  • AutismDadd

    Bingo. Number One answer.

  • Well, first off, do you believe in germ theory? If you believe in germ theory, it makes sense for us to have a complex immune system.

    Secondly, “natural = good and artificial = bad” is simply not true.

    Death to fascists.

  • Compounds are not elements.

    I am considering your side – that is why I’m asking for evidence.

    I notice you still haven’t explained Gadad et al.

  • kfunk937

    Were you thinking of answering my question?

  • Jonathan Graham

    They’re there. If you can’t respond specifically. It’s not unreasonable to suggest that you’ve got nothing.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s not weaseling to state that someone has asked you an overly broad question.

  • Ron Roy

    Overview (Rabies)
    ”Bites and puncture wounds must be cleaned. (Blood flow cleans as does
    warm water and soap.)

    Currently about 1 to 3 people die per year from what is believed to be
    rabies. [USA]
    In 1900, the rate was about 100 people per year. This decline is typical
    of many infectious diseases due to the effects of improved sanitation
    and nutrition.

    Human rabies is very rare. If bitten by an animal, rabies is still very
    rare. If bitten by a rabid animal, rabies transmission to a human is
    still very rare. So being bitten by a rabid animal is not a death
    sentence by any means.

    Human rabies is so rare that most Doctors have never seen the disease.
    Those who have seen the disease relate that the fear of the disease is
    more important than the disease itself.

    Some question whether rabies in humans is a viral disease or a
    psychosomatic manifestation. Study the material in the remainder of this
    article and make an estimate as to whether one exposed to rabies through
    a bite would increase their chance of serious disease by injection of
    several shots of rabies vaccine or lower the chances of serious disease.
    Certainly evidence exists to justify one taking the attitude that the
    vaccine would INCREASE the chances of serious disease rather than
    decrease disease odds. Historical data on comparison between
    individuals bitten by animals believed to be rabid showed that the
    unvaccinated were more likely to remain healthy. Given the lack of
    adequate scientific
    testing on modern vaccines, I can not assume that
    modern rabies vaccines are effective or necessary.”

  • Ron Roy

    There you go making a mountain out of a molehill again. Just eat a variety of fresh vegetables. meats preferably fatty meats, fish, chicken, nuts, cheeses and avoid: all store bought drinks ( no diet coke Johnny or chips ) most snack foods, anything with white flour, white sugar and go easy on honey or maple syrup and even whole grains. And all organic if possible. I grow my own vegetables. As far as test ( bloodwork ) they are so unreliable they’re not necessary. Oh and most importantly avoid vaccines at all costs. Why ruin a good immune system.

  • Ron Roy

    You mean those hundreds of thousands of doctors who prescribed some of those 35 drugs that were taken off the market because of all the harm and deaths they were causing? Those doctor?

  • Ron Roy

    So you admit drugs are put on the market without proper testing. Oh ok.

  • I didn’t ask for somebody else’s opinion.

    Do you, Ron Roy, really think it’s plausible that rabies in humans is a fatal psychosomatic manifestation when diagnostic laboratories around the world consistently recover rabies virions and antigens from dead victims?

    Do you, Ron Roy, think that it’s no big deal that around 59,000 people are killed by rabies each year? Don’t you have any compassion for these people?

    Do you, Ron Roy, disagree with doctors and researchers around the world that describe it as “almost universally fatal,” or “universally fatal” after symptoms appear?

    Do you, Ron Roy, really think that rabies is harmless and doesn’t need to be
    treated? Do you really think the vaccine does more harm than good?

    Do you really think it’s unnecessary when only a handful of people in history have survived symptomatic rabies without prompt vaccination?

    59,000 rabies deaths a year from http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/250643/1/WER9143.pdf
    “almost universally fatal” from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27268449
    “universally fatal” from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27429788

    Death to fascists.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So that’s a “no, there is no objective test to determine this” or a “yes, there is an objective test which can determine this”?

  • Jonathan Graham

    So now you’ve moved the goalposts from vaccines to drugs. My point still stands the doctors who disagree with you – that is to say almost all of them – are not afraid of losing their licences they simply find your evidence unconvincing.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So are you then claiming that if ANYTHING has the potential to harm ten people out of 31 million it is on the market without proper testing?

  • Hmm….maybe you’re going about this all wrong. Have you tried telling him the diseases haven’t been properly tested?

    Death to fascists.

  • Agreed. I only report baseless shill gambits. Which means that were Ron Roy discussing evidence for someone here being a shill, I wouldn’t flag or downvote him – hell, I’d probably give anyone who did this an upvote just for finally having evidence.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well that is the next argument isn’t it? If we should restrict anything from “the market” which has the potential to cause harm to a rather small number of people then that points the finger directly at diseases. After that it’s a question of what happens if you can restrict a disease using something that has considerably lower harm outcomes. Is that reasonable…

    At which, maths people would say that we have reduced this to a previously solved problem

  • Jonathan Graham

    I think I’m at the point where I’d be willing to upvote if someone could produce objective criteria at least we could talk about that. Instead of what is effectively namecalling.

  • Ron Roy

    I see you’re trying to get me to admit to something I never said. Johnny somehow those ten people turned into 1300:

    The 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic left a troubling legacy in Europe: More than 1300 people who received a vaccine to prevent the flu developed narcolepsy, an incurable, debilitating condition that causes overpowering daytime sleepiness, sometimes accompanied by a sudden muscle weakness in response to strong emotions such as laughter or anger. The manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), has acknowledged the link, and some patients and their families have already been awarded cpmpensation. But how the vaccine might have triggered the condition has been unclear.
    In a paper in Science Translational Medicine (STM) this week, researchers offer a possible explanation. They show that the vaccine, called Pandemrix, triggers antibodies that can also bind to a receptor in brain cells that help regulate sleepiness. The work strongly suggests that Pandemrix, which was given to more than 30 million Europeans, triggered an autoimmune re action that led to narcolepsy in some people who are genetically at risk.

  • Ron Roy

    No they’re afraid.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Having a rabies infection is different than being exposed to rabies. You’ve chickened out of this challenge before. Once you are infected with rabies – that is you start showing symptoms of rabies. You will die.

    Wow the medical world Ron. Get a confirmed diagnosis of a rabies infection then refuse treatment and live. There is literally not one case of this in medical records.

  • Ron Roy

    One test no. A combination of tests maybe but not necessary.

  • Ron Roy

    Better catch up on your science:

    ”The new study suggests that survivors of rabies may be quite
    common. In May 2010, CDC scientists visited two villages in the Amazon
    region in western Peru where infections with rabies had been
    reported several times in the last few years. They interviewed 92 people
    in 51 households and collected blood samples from 63 of them. The
    samples were frozen, shipped back to Atlanta, and then screened for
    antibodies that could bind and neutralize the rabies virus.

    Seven of the 63 blood samples tested positive. One of those
    subjects had told the team he had been vaccinated, but the other six had
    said they weren’t, suggesting their immune system had learned to deal with the deadly virus on its own, the team reports today in The American Journal of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene.”

  • Jonathan Graham

    see you’re trying to get me to admit to something I never said.

    It’s always fun teaching you English Ron. When I say

    their 2014 report estimates there were 31 million doses and ten excess cases of narcolepsy.

    and you say

    So you admit drugs..

    So what do you think the “you admit” part of your sentence references Ron? Perhaps something I said? If I didn’t say it I can’t “admit” it. Since the only thing about the quality of drug testing I mentioned was the ratio of narcolepsy cases to doses. This must be what you’re referring to.

    So like it or not what is undoubtedly what you said…Now clearly you think you made a mistake. So does that mean the ratio of 10 in 31 Million does mean it was adequately tested?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Please tell us this combination of objective tests and the accuracy. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry Ron your delusions don’t carry any weight here. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Better catch up on your science:

    Ron have you ever considered taking a remedial reading class?

    Yes, as I said. People get exposed to rabies and therefore develop antibodies but don’t develop an infection. However, again as I said there is not a single scientifically documented case of someone getting a rabies infection and surviving.

  • I ask for testable falsifiable definitions that run both ways among other things – for disqus-discussions…that counts as evidence.

  • Not true! There have been a handful, though most of them were very aggressively treated. Have you heard of the Milwaukee Protocol? It’s even got ketamine in it!

  • Mike Stevens

    Ron, if you were bitten by a rabid dog, can I ask what you would do?
    Would you agree to the recommendation of your doctors (assuming you were intelligent enough to consult some) that you should have a course of post exposure rabies vaccination?

  • Mike Stevens

    So, just eat vegetables and meats, avoid snack foods and pop, and you will be immune to all infectious diseases, including rabies?

    I’d like to see you do an N of 1 experiment to verify that.

  • Mike Stevens

    Jebus is just yanking our chains.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry, in my prior post I mentioned Ron refusing treatment. Which is what I should have said, “getting an infection and surviving without medical treatment”.

  • Kinky!

  • Fair deuce. Rabies is crazy. Just imagine if the Russians weaponized it…

  • Mike Stevens

    “In a paper in Science Translational Medicine (STM) this week, researchers offer a possible explanation.”

    They don’t offer that as an explanation any more.
    “A paper that once promised to help unravel a medical mystery — why some children developed narcolepsy after receiving an influenza vaccine — has been retracted.”
    http://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/07/journal-retracts-paper-linking-vaccine-and-narcolepsy.html
    http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/6/247/247rt1

    Keep up will you Ron?

  • It only makes sense to question everything if you’re willing to accept the answers.

    Can you explain UHC system countries?

  • AutismDadd

    It can be, and in this case I believe it to be so.

  • AutismDadd

    Seems that’s all you do…. suggest things

  • AutismDadd

    Pretty lame. So why act as some kind of authority when obvious you aren’t?

  • Do you believe in germ theory?

  • Ron Roy

    Well of course that’s been retracted it’s to be expected. Whenever anyone or article / paper or study says anything that puts vaccines in a bad light the power of the MEDICAL MAFIA comes down on them like ugly on ape. The original explanation is still true but woe to the one who still endorses it. But you know this you’re part of that mob.

  • Ron Roy

    3 or 4 rabies deaths in the US in one year is hardly something to worry about. Now how about commenting on the dozens of other diseases that you and your ilk profit from when they could easily be eliminated with a good diet and good hygiene.

  • Ron Roy

    Wash the wound and sit back and not worry about it.

  • Mike Stevens

    You are an idiot.
    The retraction was because the mechanism of causing narcolepsy was found to be incorrect, not because of some provaccine conspiracy.
    The vaccine still caused the narcolepsy, Ron, whether this paper was correct or not. That isn’t in dispute.
    that the science behind the proposed aetiology of it didn’t hold up, and the paper has been retracted.

    What’s it like feeling so paranoid that everything you see or hear about is supposedly part of some vast conspiracy, even when it plainly isn’t?

  • Ron Roy

    If their ” doctors would have told them about how to maintain a healthy body that would not have happened. Their doctors didn’t study nutrition you say. Oh ok then that’s why they died of an infectious disease. Mickey I don’t remember when I was last ” sick ”. I think I had something like the flu 20 or more years ago, when I cheated a little too much on my diet, and it lasted a day or so.

  • Ron Roy

    There goes Johnny AGAIN making a mountain out of a molehill. 3 or 4 people per year die of rabies in the US 9 and their guessing on that ) so why worry about rabies. Worry more about crossing the street it’s a lot more dangerous. I’ve been bitten by a dog, a mouse and more cats than I can remember and I never saw a doctor for any of those. Oh while were at it as a kid I stepped on I don’t know how many rusty nails and again no doctor. Gee where did I go wrong?

  • Ron Roy

    No Johnny it’s your lies that don’t carry any weight here. FTFY

  • Ron Roy

    Tests oh yes tests. A friend, now deceased, who was anorexic had had her electrolyte levels, among other things, checked and the results, on the electrolyte level were normal. Imagine that at 5’6” and weighing 87lbs her electrolyte levels were ok. Hemmm methinks their test were a little inaccurate, You could see her bone mass shrinking for gods sake. She ended up breaking an arm and hip because her bones were so weak. But her electrolytes were ok. Yeah right. Those tests Johnny?

  • Mike Stevens

    I’m so pleased for you Ron.
    I look forward to the time you fight off infection with rabies, ebola and HIV, just through eating organic vegetables and meat. Please come back and tell us about it, after the event.

  • Mike Stevens

    Why wash the wound, Ron?
    Afraid your ultrafit, organically-primed superpowers will not be able to shake off the effects of a few bacteria from a dog’s mouth?

  • David W

    And do you know why very few people die of rabies every year Ron?
    The rabies vaccine!

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. Sorry.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope.

  • Jonathan Graham

    There goes Johnny AGAIN making a mountain out of a molehill.

    Nobody is claiming rabies is common what we’re claiming is that you will die if you get a rabies infection. That’s not making a mountain out of a molehill. Please learn English idioms before you use them.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Except that you can’t point to any significant body of evidence supporting your belief. Hence it’s more likely you are deluded. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    So which is it Ron? Are there objective tests which can give us a high degree of confidence that someone has sufficient nutrition to fight off any infectious disease or not?

  • Ron Roy

    From the medical profession obviously not. And why would any test be necessary? Do you have to complicate things that are not complicated? Eat a good diet and don’t worry about pathogenic germs the immune system will do what it was designed to do and keep us healthy. It works for me.

  • Ron Roy

    ”Please learn English idioms before you use them.” Another example of Johnny’s swollen head.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No it’s an example of you claiming something is “making a mountain out of a molehill” when that’s not what is going on. I notice you can’t address the point. Nobody is claiming rabies is common. Yet that’s all you could talk about. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    From the medical profession obviously not.

    What does “from the medical profession” mean here? Either something is an objective test (or set of tests) which produce a high degree of confidence or it isn’t.

    Why is this such a difficult question for you to answer?

  • Ron Roy

    Ok I won’t wash the wound. Happy? My mother had told me that whenever she or her brothers or sisters got a cut or scratch they would have a dog lick it because they believed a dogs saliva would help them heal faster.

  • AutismDadd

    The correct answer is YEP

  • AutismDadd

    Explain why you ask that.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Not in any useful sense.

  • Ron Roy

    Gee Johnny someone with the brain of a 5 year old would have understood what I meant but I’ll try and bring it down another notch. Let’s see how would I explain this to a four year old mmm? Oh:lets start with the definition of ( medical profession ): ” the body of individuals who are qualified to practice medicine.’ Now what I was trying to explain to you was that my experience with the quality of the results of tests performed by that ” medical profession ” on electrolyte ( mineral ) needs of the human body are extremely inaccurate so we would have to rule out those tests. And other than hiring a private lab to conduct those tests we would have to forget those tests which aren’t necessary anyway. If you have any further questions concerning this matter please consult a three year old because Ill have to admit I can’t drop it another notch. Sorry

  • Ron Roy

    I didn’t bring up rabies your co worker Mickey did. Just turn around and ask him.

  • Ron Roy

    Oh I see I didn’t know you guys had people going around vaccinating bats, wolves, coyotes, skunks, raccoons, mice, squirrels not to mention cats etc. Thanks for that info.

  • Ron Roy

    If you got that figure from the WHO you can bet it’s a gross exaggeration like all of there figures.

  • Ron Roy

    Mickey I’ll be around a long time after you meet your maker so don’t hold you breath. On second thought hold your breath. lol

  • David W

    Yes Ron, they do! It’s (vaccine) mixed with food and scattered in the wild. Animals eat the bait and are protected. We’ve already told you this is done.

    If someone is bitten by an animal, they are treated with the vaccine right away (before they show symptoms). Hence, very few people actually die from rabies every year.

  • Ron Roy

    No you have it wrong again Mickey these people are the real medical professionals. Boyd Haley had more than 800 papers published in ”peer review” journals and was the 13th most widely quoted biologist at the time. It wasn’t until he spoke out against vaccines that he was denigrated, castigated etc etc by the MEDICAL MAFIA. He also destroyed one of your gods Paul Ofitt in a virtual debate.Ofitt refuse to debate with him face to face. It’s people like you ( mouthpieces for the medical / drug industry that are the REAL QUACKS.

  • AutismDadd

    Seems little makes sense to you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So the answer is “no, there are no objective tests that can be done to a reasonable degree of reliability”. Right?

    Again, you seem to have an immense difficulty with a pretty simple question here.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Which is irrelevant. “mountains out of molehills” can’t mean anything you want it to in English. Nobody is making a claim that something is more important than it is. You claimed that no virus can harm you. That should include rabies.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I understand what you’re saying. You’re just incorrect. :-)

  • Ron Roy

    ”So the answer is “no, there are no objective tests that can be done to a reasonable degree of reliability”. Right?” No objectives tests conducted by the medical profession but I’m not ruling out tests by private labs. You have difficulty in understanding a simple statement By your response I’ll assume you understood. .

  • Ron Roy

    Very few states in the US have implemented this. I just read that there has never been a case of a rabid raccoon biting a human. Oh and how would they vaccinate bats the most common carriers of rabies.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No objectives tests conducted by the medical profession but I’m not ruling out tests by private labs.

    You’re misunderstanding the question. I’m not asking you if there is a particular place that does this test. I’m asking Do you know of a test that you know is possible to do and you know can achieve reliable results?.

  • David W

    I’m simply answering your question. It is regularly done in my neck of the woods.

  • AutismDadd

    That contradicts reality

  • AutismDadd

    Ever notice anorexia listed as a vaccine effect? But Psychiatry claims children want to be models.

  • AutismDadd

    And you don’t want to be downwind from Jonny’s mountain.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope.

  • Peggy Dowe

    if you had not got your vaccines you may well now not at risk of developing an auto
    immune illness. You assume you are out of the woods. Your only 34, you did not get the vaccine scedule that infants to day are started on. So under vaccinated and not in the clear. The ingredients injected into you have done nothing to promote health or a strong immune system. No where in nature did your body need or require fragments of pig and guinea pig dna injected into you. However, that you are fine with it is cool, makes sleeping at night easier. I hope you dont develop lupus or MS or cancer etc. Good luck.

  • AutismDadd

    Of course you wouldn’t know

  • Jonathan Graham

    No it’s just that I don’t just suggest things. Ergo you are incorrect. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    I just read that there has never been a case of a rabid raccoon biting a human googled to find the answer I wanted and then gullibly believed it

    You sure didn’t work very hard… http://www.wvtm13.com/article/4-year-old-recovering-from-rabid-racoon-bite-at-hoover-school/8275780

  • AutismDadd

    Hilarious. You suggest plenty, and to deny is just a lie.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You assertion was that it’s all I do. Which is incorrect. Everyone suggests things from time to time.

  • Ron Roy

    OMG look everybody Johnny found one case of a rabid raccoon biting someone. Johnny that link / chart only shows the percentage of animals that were found to be rabid not the number that could be vaccinated. Bats outnumber all these animals put together. In one cavern alone Dr. Kunz’s and Dr.Hristov’s team counted approximately 400,000 bats emerging from Carlsbad Cavernin June 2005 which is typical of recent years.

  • AutismDadd

    Lets say mostly then. Happy now?

  • Jonathan Graham

    look everybody Johnny found one case of a rabid raccoon biting someoneRon’s desperately trying to distract from the fact that he was wrong

    Actually it’s not the only one I’m just pointing out that you were so incredibly lazy that you didn’t every expend the tiniest amount of effort to validate your own claim. Which pretty much sums up the problem with you in general. :-)

    animals that were found to be rabid

    Yes, Ron it enumerates the cases of rabies. If a population has a higher percentage of rabies we will find more cases.

    not the number that could be vaccinated

    Actually it says exactly that – if you know which of those groups can be vaccinated.Bats outnumber all these animals put together.Which isn’t relevant – what’s relevant is the percentage of the population that is rabid…which HEY that chart tells you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Not even mostly. Sorry.

  • AutismDadd

    No correct as in you lie mostly.

  • AutismDadd

    Maybe Jon was bit

  • AutismDadd

    What about measles, chicken pox and mumps?

  • AutismDadd

    Jonny wants a mandatory rabies vaccine given on the day of birth

  • AutismDadd

    Bunk alert. So before infection a vaccine is given that INSTANTLY stops the infection? Or are you saying we’ll never know and the vaccine is a precaution and it can’t be proven?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. Another statement which is incorrect as evidenced by your inability to demonstrate. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Mortality varies. We’re talking about rabies because Ron says that no virus can harm him in his super-nutritionized state. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    I’ve not read him say so, but twist away…

  • David W

    More reading comprehension problems, eh?
    If you dont understand what is written, your beyond hope.
    My guess, it’s more of your “attention seeking” stupid comments.
    You are consistent.

  • AutismDadd

    The only one who can’t accept it is you. That’s a serious symptom of delusion. Better get an HPV vaccine.

  • AutismDadd

    Could be why the Buzz cut, to make the head seem smaller.

  • AutismDadd

    That’s where Pro does his best research…

  • Jonathan Graham

    Read. Think. Then post.

  • AutismDadd

    Lots of inbreeding in shill nation. Test tube babies.

  • Jonathan Graham

    ADadd if there was any truth to your statement you would be able to show a handful of clear unambiguous and entirely clear cases. You can’t – so the evidence is against your hypothesis. Sorry.

  • AutismDadd

    You forgot twist

  • AutismDadd

    Try “you’re”.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, because I don’t twist things. It’s probably just your latest way to avoid dissonance.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Watching you blindly lash out is kind of interesting.

  • David W

    Fixed.
    Still doesn’t change the fact you seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Now go to bed.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’ll just re-ask my question because obviously you have a great answer and just didn’t get a chance to post it:Do you know of a test (to determine if you have nutrition sufficient to fight off any and all disease) that you know is possible to do and you know can achieve reliable results?

  • Ron Roy

    Johnny I don’t know of a test ( I didn’t even google the question ) because a test isn’t necessary. You make every effort in trying to make life more complicated than it is. Eat a good balanced diet and don’t even give diseases a second thought. Oh johnny I’d start by elimination that diet coke and those chips.

  • Ron Roy

    Johnny you don’t know if these people were bitten by rabid animals.

  • Ron Roy

    Johnny your an expert at twisting things. See I can give you credit when it’s due.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You make every effort in trying to make life more complicated than it is.

    I’m not making life complicated. I’m clarifying what you are saying.

    Eat a good balanced diet and don’t even give diseases a second thought.

    Can you provide a specific and objective diet which will give the outcome you claim? (i.e. X of thing Y, none of thing Z)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Which is actually irrelevant if you think about it…which you aren’t. The point I’m making and have said many, many, many times is about developing an infection.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and you are unable to produce even one clear and entirely unambiguous example of me doing so. Hence it’s not likely that you’re correct. :-)

  • MykeC

    There is nothing linked from Vaccines to lupus, MS or Cancer. Stop being stupid.

  • Augustina

    You don’t sound sincere and we see you have posted nearly 2500 comments through Disqus. This is a child’s life taken from vaccinations. Not sure how people troll on articles like this. Aysia never even got her teeth in and you think it’s fine to vaccinate a baby with a heart murmur, while minimizing the risks of each vaccine and giving an analogy that some people are allergic to water. Vaccines are killing far too many precious babies. Do the research.

  • Laura J

    What I was referring to was anything that we put in our bodies is a drug, and has side effects… I think it’s tragic that vaccines caused this baby’s death. It was not intentional. I am sorry; I am on your side.

  • Augustina

    This could have happened to anyone’s child who was vaccinated. Aysia will save many lives because parents will learn through her short life that vaccine related tragic deaths are brushed under the rug, while the parents get investigated and blamed.

  • Laura J

    Oh I know. I was referring to the obstinate science side that thinks they are always right. I was wondering why the hospital overrided the parent’s wishes. Maybe they signed something without knowing it. There are no absolutes in medicine or vaccines. We skipped his 2nd flu shot this time round. Babies systems aren’t fully developed until 8 months. I feel for this mom. I was referring to the vaccines being investigated further so maybe this whole thing can be resolved, you know?

  • AutismDadd

    Fake intelligence isn’t working for you.

  • AutismDadd

    Yes you’d likely enjoy watching my son have seizures.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Unlikely, having seen my fair share of seizures. As usual, you want to create a delusion probably because it helps you justify being a bad person here on Disqus.

  • AutismDadd

    Nice assumption and lie.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s simply a probability. Which you heap evidence on pretty frequently.

  • Ron Roy

    Well Johnny in your case I would simply start by eliminating diet coke and chips before adding something a little more healthy. Another example of someone showing a swollen head (i.e. X of thing Y, none of thing Z). Johnny I would eliminate Z chips and coke before adding A or B or C or D because your stomach is not as big as your ego therefor it couldn’t possibly hold all the nourishing food you need i.e ( A /B/C/D ) to have good health unless you eliminate Z.

  • Augustina

    Thank you for reading Aysia’s story and for your insight. It is such a tragic topic to deal with and as you can imagine, we deal with many that are not here to learn. In Australia, they banned children under 5 from getting the flu vaccine, but not in the US. It is good you had your son’s doctor document his reaction. Make sure to get a copy of all your children’s medical files because they can and do go missing. There is a lot of information that exists on detoxing. Detoxing can help him heal. If you need more information on that, please let me know.

  • Laura J

    Aw thanks. I love our dr. She is good, the whole practice is good. Yeah we skipped the rotavirus and his 2nd flu shot. He’s supposed to get tubes for his ears at some point. He has DS, and since we’re in the midst of flu season, want to postpone it till April/May and we’re all getting over some virus or strep anyways. I got the flu shot because I get asthma. HOwever, had a nasty respiratory thing at Thanksgiving so had to use my inhaler and the kids needed the nebulizer.

    It’s great that more light is shed on this issue and more people are getting involved in this. At least something that says vaccines can cause reactions. If I eat honey, it causes a reaction in me, or oranges. Thanks again.

    On a security note, I am on FB, but an anti vaxer was actually an advocate for pharma. They stole a photo of my family and posted it on their wall along with harrassments. I reported them and since they removed it….but they keep doing it. I’m wondering if it’s part of Amy Tuteur’s group…
    beware commenting on other news stuff on anti vax stuff or keep your photos safely hidden!

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again you are misunderstanding the question. I’m saying is there a diet that you can lay out that anyone who follows it would get your alleged immunity to all viruses, fungi and bacteria.

  • AutismDadd

    “Its not exactly unheard of for people to dehumanize those on the opposite end of a polarized issue” So true. Lets review some examples. Dr Mercola, Dr Andrew Wakefield, Jenny McCarthy , Kennedy, ……. Right Buzz?

  • AutismDadd

    Is Jonny Buzz talkin out his colon agin?

  • AutismDadd

    Mike Stevens giving an exhibition on how to twist the subject from vaccines to bike helmets. Sorry Mike try staying on topic please.

  • AutismDadd

    Were they malnourished?

  • AutismDadd

    Assumptions aren’t evidence Mike. I thought you were about science and fact, and here you are testifying and offering up anecdotes.

  • AutismDadd

    Anecdote is like correlation FalseAngel

  • AutismDadd

    If you put FalseAngel and Mike Stevens in one place you had better have a BULL dozer on hand.

  • AutismDadd

    How juvenile

  • AutismDadd

    But you can’t research vaccine injury?

  • AutismDadd

    Which made the gene pool stronger.

  • AutismDadd

    Thanks lurker

  • AutismDadd

    Maybe its because we benefit from illness if healthy.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No idea. Even if they were all absent of such comments it doesn’t refute my statement.

  • AutismDadd

    In other words you want to keep your foot as far from your mouth as possible.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well anytime you want to make a comment relevant to mine let me know. :-)

  • Well ya, it may be needed to clean up the bullshit they leave behind.

  • David W

    You are right, fake intelligence isn’t working for me. But for you…you thrive on it.

  • AutismDadd

    No I thrive on reality and truth

  • AutismDadd

    If I had a clue what your were saying I might.

  • Jonathan Graham

    We all wish you could understand better. However if you want to ask a question to clarify a specific portion of something I’ve said I’m happy to oblige.

  • GokuSS400

    So….you’ve studied vaccine ingredients and reactions. But your only degree is in Marine Biology.

    So…here’s the important question: why should we believe a MARINE BIOLOGIST in regards to vaccines, as opposed to….an IMMUNOLOGIST (someone who studies how the immune system works), or perhaps a virologist (a viral expert)? I mean yes you’ve studied vaccine ingredients and reactions, but you’re ignoring the entire history of vaccines, how they are produced, what effects they have on the immune system (and how they interact with the immune system), and lastly…..if vaccines aren’t all they’re cracked up to be. WHY IS SMALLPOX STILL ERADICATED!?

    How many people here have come down with a LEGITIMATE case of SMALLPOX?

    Also if you want to talk about medical inserts I can ramble off a few dozen with ease….I myself have Asperger’s Syndrome (i.e. i have autism). No, it wasn’t caused by a vaccine of any kind…because as my mother so very eloquently put it….”I started noticing things were different about you from the start” (I have 2 older sisters so she pretty much picked up on the fact that I was autistic very quickly). I take medications every day to help me manage my symptoms. One of them is called Vyvanse. There are easily a dozen different side effects….let me list them for you all:

    Blistering, peeling, or loosening of the skin
    chest discomfort or pain
    chills
    cough
    diarrhea
    difficulty with breathing
    difficulty with swallowing
    discouragement
    dizziness
    faintness
    fast, irregular, pounding, or racing heartbeat or pulse
    feeling sad or empty
    hives or welts, itching, or skin rash
    irritability
    joint or muscle pain
    lack of appetite
    large, hive-like swelling on the face, eyelids, lips, tongue, throat, hands, legs, feet, or sex organs
    loss of interest or pleasure
    puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
    red skin lesions, often with a purple center
    red, irritated eyes
    redness of the skin
    sore throat
    sores, ulcers, or white spots in the mouth or on the lips
    swelling of the feet or lower legs
    tightness in the chest
    trouble concentrating
    trouble sleeping
    twitching, twisting, or uncontrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips, face, arms, or legs
    unusual tiredness or weakness
    Decreased appetite
    headache
    nausea
    upper abdominal or stomach pain
    vomiting
    weight decreased
    Crying
    depersonalization
    dry mouth
    dysphoria
    euphoria
    fever
    paranoia
    quick to react or overreact emotionally
    rapidly changing moods
    sleepiness or unusual drowsiness
    Dizziness, somnolence, tremor, paresthesia, nightmare, dyskinesia, seizures, psychomotor hyperactivity

    I can go on, there are more. But guess what? despite there being a billion and one different side effects, I still take the medicine. Why? because it’s the best thing that works for me, and i’ve discussed the side-effects with my doctor numerous times.

    How many of you commenting here have had Diphtheria? Measles? Polio? Pertussis? Mumps? Hepatitis? encephalitis? Cholera? Meningitis? Pneumonia? Rotavirus? seriously, how many of you have come down with any of those diseases?

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and yet you are the one who has been shown to have lied several times in this past week alone.

  • Actually what is left to yet happen is not a lie. In your case you have never once yet told the truth about anything ever. Not since the very first reply you ever made in this article site.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You lied and said that you would quit and to mark that day. You didn’t. You stopped posting about a day. Then when you came back you claimed

    this is the last article that will be reply posted on

    Which you now have made a lie by posting here. :-)

  • And you actually think they will pay you to respond to the average reader and those that typically reply here? You’ll see.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell, nobody pays me to post here. Only someone very stupid would believe that.

  • Some one is paying shills to post against me specifically on this site. You can deny that you are one of them all you want, and I really don’t care. One way to end it and one only.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Unlikely Lowell, the economics don’t work. I have a hard time viewing someone as illucid as yourself as a threat to anyone anyway.

  • Phoebe

    True that. And we have Paul Offit as the Minister of Propaganda.

  • Phoebe

    With vaccines, they could have died from SIDS or have been too autistic to reproduce. What you are saying is standard PharmaSpeak®.

  • Phoebe

    All of these PharmaShills® are constantly upvoting eachother.

    I wonder who they are really, and who they work for?

  • Mike Stevens

    Vaccines have been shown to reduce SIDS deaths, and have nothing to do with autism, so no.

    Pharma loves antivaxers…
    Fewer vaccines = More disease requiring expensive pharma treatments.

  • Phoebe

    LOL!! Good one!

    You should be a chameleon.

  • Mike Stevens

    No my name is not Mike Stevens, obvs.
    That’s a nym.

  • Irrelevant, anyway. Claims stand or fall on their own merit.

  • Can you explain the inverse correlation?

  • It’s a “right on my profile.” That’s how words work.

  • Nobody

    “So….you’ve studied vaccine ingredients and reactions. But your only degree is in Marine Biology.”

    Why do shills love ad hominems and appeals to authority so dearly?

  • Nobody

    “So…here’s the important question: why should we believe a MARINE
    BIOLOGIST in regards to vaccines, as opposed to….an IMMUNOLOGIST” That’s not an argument. You shouldn’t believe any PERSON; you should judge the soundness of an argument upon the veracity of its facts and validity of its inferences, neither of which have ANY logical connection to the “credentials” of the person making the argument.

  • GokuSS400

    I can’t tell, are you pro vaccines or anti-vax? because if you’re pro vaccines, why are you coming after me when im the one punching holes in the anti-vaxxers thinking?

    If you’re anti-vax, do us all a favor and remove yourself from the gene pool

  • Ben William

    It’s going to be up to parents to start getting educated and next, stand up to this vaccination insanity. In mass.

    History has to repeat itself when the general population in late 19th century Europe had enough with all the death and disease the mandatory smallpox and most refused to comply.

  • Ben William

    You have a whole lot to learn about smallpox eradication. I have read the actual medical journals of doctors / scientists in both 19th century Europe and America with regards to this fairy tale the modern medical mafia likes to tell concerning smallpox eradication and vaccination.

    The european smallpox vaccine program was highly controversial (at that time) for good reason, with some of the most brilliant scientists and doctors of that time who opposed to it. The American medical establishment (unlike their european counter parts) was, for the most part, independent from the pharmaceutical companies and was one of the reason why both the American scientific and medical communities (of that era) were not arm twisted to go along with the same (nation wide) mandatory smallpox vaccination program that crippled Europe by the late 19th century.

    The european mandatory smallpox campaign that went on for about seventy years (in full force) exploded not only smallpox across Europe, but the most deadly strains of smallpox Europe had ever scene in ‘any’ century. The smallpox rates and deaths in those 70 years in Europe were monumental when compared to their American counterparts that did not have a nation wide mandatory vaccine program.

    It got to the point in Europe by the 1870’s, that europeans would gladly go to jail rather than suffer smallpox from the vaccine. By that time, most people in Europe would not take the puss, where they saw 80% deadly smallpox rates in villages that had 100% vaccinated populations.

    Europe had no choice but to lift the mandatory program by the late 19th century. Of course the vaccines pushers called the death and suffering ‘they’ caused a “success”, However, the historic records (if you actually bother to read them) tells a much different story. It wasn’t vaccination that eradicated the smallpox explosion that the mandatory vaccine program caused, but rather scientific engineers who modernized sanitation and food storage where smallpox was given the ‘real’ death blow.

    This fact was well known to the general public even in the early 1960’s where, ‘engineers’ NOT doctors, were given credit for their ‘historic contributions’ for wiping out most known diseases at the 1964 world fair in New York City. Vaccines didn’t even get an honorable mention.

    We are a victim of our own success, where the modern medical mafia has hijacked ‘for profit’ real engineering accomplishments for snake oils, fairy tales and magic bullets.

  • Jesus baby

    Smallpox was airborne. Sanitation and food storage had nothing to do with its eradication. The global eradication efforts that started in the 1950s wiped it out by 1975.

  • Ben William

    lol. Airborne? Yeah, and so was tuberculosis. Guess what hotshot, no vaccine eradicated tb in the 20th century, but guess what finally did? BTW, Here is a quote from the National Health Institute on smallpox (for what it’s worth… _ “. Rarely, smallpox has been spread by virus carried ‘in the air’ in enclosed settings such as buildings, buses, and trains.”

    Eradication efforts began in Europe the late 18th century. You do remember Jenner, right? It failed miserably. By the 1950’s there really wasn’t a whole lot of smallpox left to eradicate.

    Considering Smallpox isolates were european in origin eradicating smallpox in places that were it not indigenous to the environmental conditions in which created and sustained it was not very hard to eradicate.

  • Jesus baby

    I think what you know about smallpox would fit on the head of a pin. Do you get your misinformation from whale.to?
    Oh, and TB hasn’t been eradicated either.

  • Ben William

    lol! You’re one to talk. Where did you get your smallpox propaganda from? A plethora of conflicts of interest?

    Try challenging the narrative for once in your life, by actually walking into any number of medical and engineering libraries and read from the source where the medical mafia got the term ‘journal’ to begin with.

    By the way, tb WAS eradicated in USA in the ‘twentieth century’. Where it was NOT eradicated, was where first world disease preventing infrastructure does not exist.

    TB was ‘reintroduced’ to the United States from people entering the country where again, first world infrastructure does not exist.

  • Jesus baby

    Lol I’m sorry, but what year was TB eradicated in the US? (it was never eradicated in the US)

    And although you won’t read it I think this is a nice summary of smallpox eradication

    http://www.clinmedres.org/content/1/2/87.full

  • Ben William

    Actually I did read your link and of course (to it’s credit actually) it verified what I researched on the european vaccination disaster of the 19th century by glossing over it and stating… “but… but.. but a new safer vaccine was developed in the late 19th century.”

    By that time the gig was already up and the great infrastructure projects that wiped out most diseases were well on the way, and for good reason.

    Oh and on TB? quotes links from every direction
    “but had been largely ‘eradicated’ in America in the ‘early 20th century’,”
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/fla-gov-rick-scott-kept-worst-tb-outbreak-20-years-secret

    By 1900, however, the incidence of many of these diseases had begun to decline because of public health improvements, implementation of which continued into the 20th century.
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4829a1.htm

    1900-1940 TB rates decreased in the US and Western Europe ‘before’ TB drugs available
    http://www.pitt.edu/~super7/47011-48001/47371.ppt

    1960s-1980s TB considered ‘a non-problem’
    http://www.pitt.edu/~super7/47011-48001/47371.ppt

    .. and I’ll throw this in for good measure
    “Tuberculosis is endemic to many parts of Mexico, specifically the northern states, due in large part to the’ failing infrastructure’ of the country and its poor public health services.”
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/02/dise-f04.html

    “Further improvements in the control and prevention of TB in the United States will require a continued strong ‘infrastructure”
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5412a1.htm

  • Jesus baby

    It’s amazing how sanitation and better food storage can wipe out a highly infectious airborne virus like smallpox. But what else are anti-vaxxers going to say?
    And concerning TB, you didn’t answer my question, bro. What year was TB eradicated in the US? (it’s never been eradicated in the US)

  • Ben William

    Did you not read the Pennsylvania state ‘official statement’ on TB?

    But what else would you expect from a pharma lobbyist.

  • Jesus baby

    I don’t see anything you’ve posted from Penn State. Your inability to give us the year the US eradicated TB is telling, though. (there isn’t one)

  • Ben William

    It wasn’t from Penn State. lol. You really are something else.

    Is Smallpox a “non problem”? Public records in most states from the 1950’s and 1960’s declared TB a “non problem” as the state of Pennsylvania declared TB in the record I included. Which fully answers your question on TB.

    You know that official records of that era are rarely something you can just click to on the internet but unfortunately for you, I found one.

    But as a cartel lobbyist, you know full well that your propaganda has been massed produced to be regurgitated over and over by the click of a mouse.

    However, more and more people (including those in conventional medicine) are going through those hardcopy public records and publishing their finds on ‘actual’ vaccine vs infrastructure / engineering health records.
    http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/03/15/the-doctor-who-beat-the-british-general-medical-council-by-proving-that-vaccines-arent-necessary-to-achieve-health/

    In the example above, a pediatrician was taken to court after publishing these exact ‘real public records’ and used them in her practice to give parents ‘real information’ to make the best informed on vaccination.

    Guess what? The very medical industrial complex you lobby for (the plaintiff) lost the case.

  • Jesus baby

    Which fully answers your question on TB.
    My question was what year was TB declared eradicated in the US. You still haven’t said.
    As for the rest of your post, anti-vaxxers like to talk about mortality rates of diseases like measles falling in industrialized countries before vaccines were introduced, but they sure don’t like to talk incidence rates, do they?

  • Ben William

    You still haven’t answered my question jack. Is smallpox a non issue?

  • Jesus baby

    Once you tell us the year TB was eradicated in the US, or retract your silly statement, we can talk about other stuff.

  • Augustina

    Watch Hope Doucet’s personal interview with the VAXXED team. “Vaccines killed my daughter”.

    https://www.facebook.com/wearevaxxed/videos/431961830484432/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE

  • Augustina

    Smallpox cases are hiding under Monkeypox. No disease has ever been eradicated by any vaccine and never could be. When they refer to eradicating disease, those behind the vaccine program are really eradicating the people.

  • Augustina

    Curious what your vaccination status is Goku. How can you claim your health problems were not caused by the vaccines you received when you have not proven your injuries weren’t caused by the vaccines? Let’s look at your vaccine record and view the side effects and listed reactions to help determine if the vaccines you were given didn’t help trigger your Asperger’s symptoms. A lot of scientific evidence proves otherwise. You will never heal by taking those prescription drugs. If you think
    taking your medications is safe and helping you, think again, these
    drugs will only make you worse in the end. Your comment does not dismiss the fact that vaccines are not proven safe. They will never be safe. They are designed to harm the people in one way or another. Common sense when you learn what’s in them and how our immune system works.

    And where are the masses of parents of completely unvaccinated children crying that their baby suddenly died from any of these diseases? You can’t find them because unvaccinated babies aren’t dying in mass like their vaccinated peers. You will have no problem finding thousands of stories of vaccinated babies dying after the shots. It’s no surprise why.

  • GokuSS400

    LMFAO…..Wow….I really have to applaud you….ahh you made me actually CRY from laughing so much.

    First and foremost let’s get things started…..Autism is diagnosable at…..ages 2 – 3. The first signs of Autism are presented as early as 12 – 18 months. Doctors generally wait until a child is 6 years old to hand out the diagnosis.

    I was born in 1986 and have had all my vaccinations. I only had a reaction to ONE vaccine….ONCE. It was when I was in 3rd grade or something if i recall correctly, and the vaccine that caused the reaction was the DTP. What was the reaction you might ask? well the spot on my arm where they injected me with the vaccine had changed to a yellowish color and didn’t heal properly for a while. In short…..it was a very mild allergic reaction.

    And what do ya know? i’ve never caught any of the illnesses that i was vaccinated for…huh, SHOCKING….I mean that would imply that vaccines and herd immunity DO IN FACT work.

    ” Let’s look at your vaccine record and view the side effects and listed reactions to help determine if the vaccines you were given didn’t help trigger your Asperger’s symptoms. A lot of scientific evidence proves otherwise” really!? :o you mean ACTUAL ACCREDITED SCIENTISTS AND RESEARCHERS have published studies saying that VACCINES AND AUTISM ARE LINKED!? well that’d be the biggest headline of the millennium IF IT WERE TRUE. On the issue of vaccines and Autism, scientists AROUND THE WORLD 100% agree that there is NO LINK. There never has been a link, and to our knowledge one will NEVER be found.

    Back on the topic of my Asperger’s Syndrome….Asperger’s Syndrome is a PSYCHOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENTAL DISORDER. This is not something you catch. It’s not like scraping your knee or getting cut, where you will eventually heal and be all better. No, this disorder starts when you are an infant and affects the way your brain develops throughout your life.

    When you take prescription drugs for psychiatric problems, what they do is help you to mask, cover-up, and deal with the symptoms of it. For instance, I also have a lot of anxiety and depression issues. Both of which are serious psychiatric problems. So, to treat that I take medicine to help ME deal with the symptoms and to an extent put them back in the dark closet where they came out of, so that i can carry on and function NORMALLY every day. As for side effects? all i’ve got is dry eyes and some minor issues with my digestion. I have been taking stimulants like Vyvanse, Ritalin, Adderall, etc. for YEARS….and despite the fact that Seizures are top of the list on all of those in terms of side effects, I’ve only ever had ONE seizure ever…and it was from a DIFFERENT medication I was taking….Wellbutrin (immediately after I had that seizure, my Psychiatrist prescribed me a medication called Neurontin to stop me from having one again). There are a BILLION AND ONE different side effects for my medications, and yet…Ive only got the minor stuff.

    “They will never be safe. They are designed to harm the people in one way or another. Common sense when you learn what’s in them and how our immune system works.”

    Actually, you shot yourself in the foot with this argument. So, let’s start with what a vaccine is made of. Let’s take the MMR vaccine as an example. It has the 3 viruses, and preservatives. The 3 viruses have been weakened significantly, but will STILL stimulate a response from the immune system. An immune response is immediately triggered as it is because the skin was broken (the needle), and white blood cells will fight off the measles, mumps, and rubella viruses they encounter in your body as a result of the vaccine.

    Once the immune system has successfully fended off the viruses it creates MEMORY cells whose job is to remember the “recipe” for the antibodies that defeated the three viruses, which then allows you to better fend of the illnesses should you be exposed to them again.

    If vaccines don’t work, why do we for instance vaccinate our pets? Why are there LAWS that you MUST have your pet vaccinated for Rabies? Why do pet boarding businesses REQUIRE dogs be vaccinated for Distemper and Bordatella if vaccines are completely bullshit?

    The modern history of vaccines dates back to the 1700s when Edward Jenner found that people who had gotten COWPOX rarely, if ever, contracted SMALLPOX; and as it turns out his hypothesis that immunity to Smallpox could be induced from Cowpox, was CORRECT. Simultaneously he proved there was a safer means to “vaccinate” for Smallpox.

    So let me get this straight….you seem to think that because of the fact that because shit has not hit the fan yet metaphorically speaking in regards to unvaccinated people, or the absence of crying parents on the internet, means that these diseases aren’t making a comeback in any way? ………Please tell me what you’re smoking, because I would LOVE SOME!!!!

    Clearly you haven’t heard the news lately….Measles is back and it’s clearly missed us dearly here in the United States. In 2008, there were MULTIPLE outbreaks of measles across the United States. “Between January 1 and April 25, 2008, a total of 64 confirmed measles cases were preliminarily reported in the United States to the CDC” then it keeps going…. “July 30, 2008, the number of cases had grown to 131. Of these, about half involved children whose parents rejected vaccination. The 131 cases occurred in seven different outbreaks. There were no deaths, and 15 hospitalizations. Eleven of the cases had received at least one dose of measles vaccine. Children who were unvaccinated or whose vaccination status was unknown accounted for 122 cases”

    AND THEN….the most well-known incident….the DISNEYLAND OUTBREAK…..
    “In December 2014, a measles outbreak began at Disneyland in Southern California. At least 173 people have become infected with measles in 21 states, as of May 2015. Health officials say 39 cases have been traced to direct exposure at the park, with 117 infections linked by primary or secondary exposure. Among the 110 California patients, 49 (45%) were unvaccinated; five (5%) had 1 dose of measles-containing vaccine, seven (6%) had 2 doses, one (1%) had 3 doses, 47 (43%) had unknown or undocumented vaccination status, and one (1%) had immunoglobulin G seropositivity documented, which indicates prior vaccination or measles infection at an undetermined time. 12 of the unvaccinated patients were infants too young to be vaccinated”

    The reason no one DIED from these outbreaks….is because……..we know how to treat the infection AT HOSPITALS. Yes, people were HOSPITALIZED during these outbreaks.

    Vaccines have been proven safe for people over and over again, yet…people like YOU refuse to believe it, or are scared because they don’t understand everything that goes into immunology or are terrified of things they don’t understand that are vaccine ingredients. The world has been vaccinating for CENTURIES!!!! how much proof do you NEED!?

  • Jesus baby

    Smallpox cases are hiding under Monkeypox.
    Anti-vaxxers really hate how smallpox was wiped out by vaccines, so they have to make stuff up. You know rinderpest was also eradicated through vaccination, and polio is soon to follow.

  • GokuSS400

    sorry to rain on your parade here Ben, oh wait no I’m not sorry at all!!!

    You are simply comparing apples to oranges here.

    First of all…Smallpox is caused by a VIRUS. Not only that, but it is closely related to chicken pox and cowpox. Cowpox has been used since Jenner’s time, to vaccinate people against Smallpox and…..its WORKED.

    TB on the other hand….is caused by BACTERIA. In the case of bacteria however, we cannot create a vaccine. Instead, we use antibiotics to treat it.

    Furthermore, Smallpox being an AIRBORNE transmissible virus, would be unaffected by sanitation efforts since it spreads THROUGH THE AIR. While yes, this may hinder the virus somewhat if say someone who was exposed to the virus starts washing their hands right after…that doesn’t completely protect them from possible infection, as that occurs at a CELLULAR LEVEL.

    TB would be affected more by sanitation efforts, as sanitation is part of mankind’s grander “war” with nature (where we remove ourselves from nature). However, even that will not completely stop bacteria…as bacteria live EVERYWHERE (not to mention were here loooooooooooooooooooong before human ancestors walked on land).

    Please do get your facts straight….

  • Augustina

    We have an outbreak of vaccine failure and vaccine shedding, which is unchecked and widespread. Additional MMR vaccines are not booster shots. The second MMR vaccine was given in mass because apparently 2-5% of people didn’t respond to the first one. That is the reason people were told they needed to receive a second MMR. A third one is again not a booster shot. It is being sold to the public for profit and to injure more people. I suggest you read up on your so-called safe vaccines Goku and re-think getting more, because they will likely make your existing condition worse. Did you ever follow the money to find out which pharmaceutical companies making the vaccines you received are profiting off of your prescription drugs? Create the problem, create a drug for that problem, rinse and repeat. Be careful who you put your trust and faith in when it comes to your health.

    Here is a link to hundreds of peer-reviewed research papers on vaccine reactions and vaccine related deaths.

    STUDIES OF VACCINE REACTIONS

    https://www.docdroid.net/7yqcvoH/studies-of-vaccine-reactions.pdf.html#page=16

  • Ben William

    Wrong as usual.

  • Ben William

    Absolutely.

    Isn’t it amazing how these wild west medicine show drug cartel lobbying vaccine junkies want a pat on the back for taking all the credit the ‘actual’ work sanitation, infrastructure and nutrition sciences has done to bring disease down to easily managed levels?

    Then, to top it all off, they rabidly defend an industry that ‘officially’ kills over a million people globally a year between their vaccines, drugs, treatments, misdiagnosis and surgeries gone wrong. Of course the death and destruction from this greedy industry is much higher then reported because the entire reporting process itself is obfuscated, denied, covered up…

    And of course just like any good wild west medicine show snake oil salesman telling the crown.. “a plague is coming this way!!!” these same slugs will rationalize these deaths with twisted Hegelian logic that… “the village must be destroyed in order to save it.”

    Words can not describe just how bankrupt the entire medical / pharma industrial complex truly is.

  • Ben William

    You know what is absolutely amazing, is how wild west medicine show drug cartel lobbying vaccine junkies such as yourself want a pat on the back for taking all the credit the ‘actual’ work sanitation, infrastructure and nutrition sciences has done to bring disease down to easily managed levels?

    Then, to top it all off, people like you rabidly defend an industry that ‘officially’ kills over a million people globally a year between their vaccines, drugs, treatments, misdiagnosis and surgeries gone wrong. Of course the death and destruction from this greedy industry is much higher then reported because the entire reporting process itself is obfuscated, denied, covered up…

    And of course just like any good wild west medicine show snake oil salesman telling the crown.. “a plague is coming this way!!!” these same slugs will rationalize these deaths with twisted Hegelian logic that… “the village must be destroyed in order to save it.”

    Words can not describe just how bankrupt the entire medical / pharma industrial complex truly is, not to mention the slugs that defend it without question.

  • Jesus baby

    Well now you’re just all over the place.

  • Ben William

    … and like any vaccine junkie, you refuse to answer one simple question.

  • Jesus baby

    You mean like what year TB was eradicated in the US?

  • Jesus baby

    It highlights why you shouldn’t bed-share with a newborn.

  • GokuSS400

    actually it’s 100% correct. TB is caused by BACTERIA, which is why there is no vaccine for it, and therefore it is treated with Antibiotics.

    Smallpox is a VIRUS, so there are vaccines for it, since antibiotics do NOT work against viruses.

    This is literally health 101 here…

  • GokuSS400

    LOL vaccines will make my existing condition worse huh? once again, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING!? because I SERIOUSLY want some.

    I suggest you watch these videos https://youtu.be/kjFPUoIXd80

    https://youtu.be/Rzxr9FeZf1g

  • Ben William

    Give up while you are far far behind. Vaccines for (TB) WERE created and used. However, the medical literature on them is a big fat F for FAIL despite the propaganda from the marketing department.

    On the other hand, once disease preventing infrastructure, sanitation and nutritional sciences reduced common (of the time) disease to easily managed levels within the populations of the civilizations that implemented them, antibiotics were (in the beginning ) successful in mopping up the few remaining extremely sever cases.

    As usual, the medical mafia found a way to ruin anti-biotics by making the same mistake as vaccines, in over using them.

  • Ben William

    Actually I didn’t have to answer your question because the state of Pennsylvania answered your question for you, which brings us full circle.

  • Ben William

    All over the place, like the efficacy of the flu vaccine?

    No, I was right on target.

  • Jesus baby

    Well what year did the state of Pennsylvania say TB was eradicated in the US?

  • Ben William

    Is polio a non issue today?

  • Jesus baby

    Not quite yet. When did Pennsylvania declare TB eradicated in the US again?

  • Ben William

    Already answered by the Keystone state (and many others).

  • Jesus baby

    Yeah? What year was that? Here, I’ll turn on the tap dancing music;)

  • Ben William

    Probably the same year monkeypox (smallpox hem. hem) swept across the mid west US.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Midwest_monkeypox_outbreak

    Because we all know monkeys notoriously are a problem in the mid US.

    Unlike TB, declared a non problem in the 1950’s and 80’s in the US.

  • Ben William

    Keep up the good and very important work @ Vaccine Truth. As your fully aware, your blog is being targeted by the drug lobby.

    I’m going to be hear more often to take on the well payed bullies and their lackeys.

  • Jesus baby

    Tap tap tap…

    From the first paragraph of your own reference:

    The cause of the outbreak was traced to Gambian pouched rats imported into the United States by an exotic animal importer in Texas. The rats were shipped from Texas to an Illinois distributor, who housed them with prairie dogs. No deaths were reported. No human-to-human transmission was found. All cases involved direct contact with infected prairie dogs. Electron microscopy and testing by polymerase chain reaction and immunohistochemistry were used to confirm the causative agent was human monkeypox.


    You’re just digging yourself in deeper, bro. Monkeypox isn’t smallpox, and TB was never eradicated in the US.

  • Augustina

    You are right, people need to research, get educated and refuse to comply with these toxic shots. Just the other day a mother came forward to share how she was bullied into vaccinating her baby while sick, the infant died 4 days later. She lost him and regrets not standing up more when her instincts told her not to allow him to get these vaccines.

  • Ben William

    Knock, knock…
    … and I have a bridge on the moon I’ll sell you if you believe that first paragraph.

    Hey I just had a colorful conversation today with a scientist over at Lilly. She told me how her job was to omit the pancreatic disease the ‘childrens’ medication was causing in a study she was working on.

    Yeah, I know that makes your day, because it just means more profit and death from the industry you covet so much. However, do you ever have a hard time looking at yourself in the mirror Mr. Jesus?

  • Jesus baby

    It’s your own reference, Einstein. Since the first paragraph of your own reference blows your anti-vax theory out of the water, why don’t you explain why the first paragraph of your own reference isn’t true? Don’t worry, I’ll keep the tap-dancing music playing.

  • Ben William

    Hey skippy. You yo-yo’s in the drug lobby really hope that ‘everyone’ is as dumbed down as the general public is.

    First of all, your entire argument rests on this idiotic notion that this ‘official’ explanation of a pox outbreak in the mid west is from the word of the drug gods, and can be the only explanation without refute.

    I simply chose the Wiki reference so you couldn’t wiggle or drug lawyer your way out of the event ever happening in the first place. With one catch, read on…

    Reading the ‘full body’ of the ‘official explanation’ is where the ‘admitted’ flaws pop out. So, it’s no wonder you want to stay focused on the first paragraph.

    The ‘NON’ event surrounding ground zero in Texas is the first hole in your ‘official’ version junior. Those ‘would have’ been the first pox cases to have occurred. Those early outbreaks in Texas (that should have happened) would have kept the latter cases from ever happening because health officials would have been able to shutdown the distribution chain, pronto.

    So, what’s your drug lobbying excuse for that gaff? Can’t wait to hear it.

    There’s a second and much bigger problem with the ‘official’ explanation that puts serious doubt on the entire explanation itself. i.e you know, that ‘first paragraph you’re waving in my face. If you would have actually bothered to read past the first paragraph there is a problem with the number of rats to spread the amount of pox case in the midwest. Which is danced around in the report.

    So, what does the drug lobby ‘official gods’ do to get around that problem? They inflate the number of rats in the distribution chain, and even call their own ‘cooked’ figures “undocumented” rat numbers. Just trust our non official figures, that how the drug lobby rolls, right?

    The lack of rats to spread the pox also refutes another argument beyond the infamous ‘first paragraph’, and that would be “no human to human” spreading of the disease.

    You’re correct “my reference”. I knew that you weren’t sharp enough to actually read the inconsistencies in the report, and you would take the bate there Einstein

  • Jesus baby

    Those early outbreaks in Texas…

    What early outbreaks?

    …there is a problem with the number of rats to spread the amount of pox case(sic) in the Midwest.
    What is the problem again? Since the transmission was from rats to prairie dogs (with which the rats were housed) to humans, what possible difference does the number of rats make?

  • Ben William

    Your propellers are coming off the shaft from all your spin.

  • Jesus baby

    Well, Ben, you said all that, not me. If you don’t want to expand on it I certainly understand.

  • Ben William

    I see it’s circular argument time with you.

  • Ben William

    So in this thread Augustina Ursino shared information on how disease is never magically ‘disappeared’ by big pharma. it’s simply renamed to give the false illusion that a vaccine ‘eradicated’ it. i.e. Smallpox becomes with the stroke of a medical pen, ‘Monkeypox’

    I posted below the Wiki explanation of the midwest monkeypox (smallpox) outbreak. I pointed out the inconsistencies with the ‘official’ explanation (to a drug rep who hangs out on this message board). I explained that the inconsistencies suggested that, in reality, human to human transmission is what most likely occurred with what we were told was a ‘monkeypox’ outbreak in the midwest.

    Now, Mike Adams used the CDC and FDA’s own documentation on the smallpox vaccine itself where, it states, that the vaccine itself can give rise to human to human spread of smallpox.
    http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-04-05-disturbing-animation-reveals-how-vaccines-are-really-made-warning-it-will-turn-your-stomach.html

    Which begs the question. Was the midwest monkeypox outbreak really a proving ground for the smallpox vaccine and covered up? Also, a much bigger question, if smallpox was ‘eradicated’ by the vaccine and no longer exists, why then has big pharma recently produced a vaccine for something they supposedly eradicated on the magic date.

  • Ben William

    As the autopsy did NOT prove.

  • Jesus baby

    Just because you’ve gotten yourself in a bind doesn’t mean it’s a circular argument, dude.

  • Jesus baby

    Well the infant had congested lungs and the pathologist knew they were bed-sharing. One could argue for SIDS, but that’s about it. And of course SIDS is less likely in vaccinated babies.

  • Ben William

    … and why was this infant so congested in the first place?

    I think this is a good case for NOT to inject your preme with heavy metals toxic chemicals and stealth viruses.

  • Ben William

    Dom’t deflect the argument you can’t win.

  • Jesus baby

    “… and why was this infant so congested in the first place?”
    Gee, I dunno, maybe he was smothered at some point?

  • Jesus baby

    Irony meters are exploding everywhere.

  • Jesus baby

    Monkey pox isn’t smallpox, bro’, which negates everything else you’ve said. Oh, and for your further education, there is still smallpox in the world – it’s just being kept in sealed labs in the US and Russia. But keep dreamin’ the dream!

  • Ben William

    You’re just like Bullwinkle. “Nothing up my sleeve…. PRESTO!”

    “It’s not because we say it’s not!”

    -Drug Rep Jesus.

  • Ben William

    … yeah, because ‘smothering’ due to co-sleeping as cause of death was NOT in the pathologist’s autopsy. Had it been, the mother would have been ‘formally’ accused of neglect instead of being cleared of such neglect by the same pathologist.

    oh, right because on your planet co-sleeping induces high fever, heavy mucus in the lungs and windpipe, a complete loss of appetite, an internal pungent oder BEFORE there was any co-sleeping….

    Nice try drug rep.

  • Jesus baby

    According to the mother lol

  • Jesus baby

    No, it’s not because…science!

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1016/S0014-5793(01)03144-1/full

    Basically we’ve sequenced their genomes, so it looks like amateur hour is up.

  • Ben William

    No, it looks like pseudo science when medical textbooks admit the two (hem,hem), are indistinguishable. Of course the drug lobby have quick quack links… ‘Presto! Nothing up my sleeve!” to point those who won’t simply look this up in ‘real’ medical literature.

    Looks like a con job.

  • Ben William

    Now you’re just lying. But of course.

  • Ben William

    “Clinical differentiation of the disease from smallpox and varicella is difficult.”
    https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/58/2/260/335791/Human-Monkeypox

    No Kidding. … and this is why spin doctors like you are hired to convinces us all that these are two completely different diseases.

    “No really honest you can trust us!” BULLwinkle

  • Jesus baby

    “Clinical differentiation of the disease from smallpox and varicella is difficult.”
    Yes, it is. Clinical differentiation relies solely on a history and physical exam, which is why we do fancy things like PCR in the lab to see which virus it is. And in the 2003 US outbreak all the cases were monkeypox.

  • Jesus baby

    Speculating would be a better term. She certainly has motive.