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You Decide: The Risks and Benefits of the MMR Vaccination

Most of us weigh the risks and benefits of medical procedures prior to obtaining them. We sign an informed consent form with an understanding of the potential harm versus the perceived benefits.

In the case of vaccinations, the great majority of parents obtain vaccinations for their children, influenced by the “sales pitch” and “scare tactics” used by physicians. We are assured that the vaccination is safe and will protect us and our children from the various targeted deadly diseases. If we blindly trust our doctors, as I once had, we readily agree.

It is important that we think critically before agreeing to any vaccination, recognizing that vaccines are indeed medical procedures which carry serious risks of harm, along with only “theoretical” health benefits.


What Is The MMR Vaccination?

The MMR vaccination is targeted against the diseases measles, mumps and rubella (German measles). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that these three diseases are quite serious.

The CDC also reports that prior to vaccinations, these diseases were quite common, especially among children. Measles is reported to commonly cause rash, cough, runny nose, eye irritation and fever. Mumps can cause fever, headache, muscle pain, loss of appetite and swollen glands. Rubella is reported to cause rash and mild fever in children.

The CDC states that the MMR vaccine can protect children and adults from all three of these diseases.

Two dosages of the MMR vaccine are recommended, the first at 12-15 months of age. The second dosage is recommended between ages 4-6 years of age.

In very rare cases, measles has been reported to lead to ear infection, pneumonia, seizures, brain damage and death. Likewise, mumps in adults can very atypically cause deafness, meningitis, painful swelling of the testicles or ovaries and sterility. For a pregnant woman, being infected with rubella can potentially cause miscarriage or birth defects in her child. [1]

What Are The Real Benefits Of The MMR Vaccine?

Theoretically, the MMR vaccine provides protection from measles, mumps and rubella. In truth, the MMR vaccination, like all others, has only been proven to cause an increase in antibodies to these three diseases.

Noted researcher and neurologist Russell Blaylock has written and lectured widely that while vaccinations are shown to increase targeted antibodies in the body, they simultaneously decrease cellular immunity, which is more critical for disease protection. [2]

Blaylock has also argued that the actual immunity from vaccinations is quite small and time-limited, if any is provided at all. [3]

More Evidence Of Vaccine Failures In The Case Of Measles And Mumps

Disease charts show that several childhood disease had significantly declined prior to the introduction of the practice of vaccinations. Improvements in sanitation and water are credited with the decrease in illnesses, not vaccinations. [4] [5]

Source: http://www.healthsentinel.com

Source: http://www.healthsentinel.com

Dr. Veira Scheibner has reported on several recent outbreaks of measles among fully-vaccinated children, which further disproves effectiveness of measles vaccinations. [6]

Dr. Russell Blaylock has similarly reported that among those recently infected with measles, the majority, and, in some cases, one hundred percent, have been vaccinated with the MMR vaccine. This vital information is not reported by mainstream media. [7]

News reports have also connected recent mumps outbreaks to be among those receiving the vaccination. [8]

The question must and should be asked, Why are vaccinated individuals becoming infected with diseases? if these vaccinations are indeed effective at preventing diseases as claimed.

The Relatively Benign Childhood Illness: Measles, Mumps And Rubella

For the vast majority who succumbed to measles, mumps and rubella in the past, it was treated as a very benign childhood illness. There was no mass hysteria that is seen today when outbreaks occur. Children simply rested at home for several days, until their symptoms subsided.

An episode of the Brady Bunch, a popular show in the ‘70s, showed how common and benign measles and mumps were considered to be. (Interestingly, while I had viewed this excellent episode when it was initially highlighted to demonstrate this point, CBS has since taken it down for alleged copyright purposes.) [9]

Reported Health Damage Caused By The MMR Vaccination

For the MMR vaccination, the following “side effects” have been reported. Merck, in MMR surveillance, reported brain inflammation and chronic brain dysfunction, along with the following health issues:

  • “atypical measles
  • syncope (sudden loss of consciousness, fainting)
  • vasculitis (inflammation of the blood vessels)
  • pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas)
  • diabetes mellitus
  • thrombocytopenia purpura (blood disorder)
  • leukocytosis (high white blood cell count)
  • anaphylaxis (shock)
  • bronchial spasms
  • arthritis and arthralgia (joint pain)
  • myalgia (muscle pain)
  • polyneuritis (inflammation of several nerves simultaneously)”

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) reported the following:

“Using the MedAlerts search engine, which facilitates an online search of the federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database, as of December 14, 2014 there have been 6,962 serious adverse events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in connection with measles vaccine since 1990, with over half of those occurring in children three years old and under. Of these events 329 were deaths, with over half of the deaths occurring in children under three years of age.” 

Adverse events following MMR vaccination reported to VAERS include:

  • lupus (autoimmune connective tissue disorder)
  • Guillain-Barré syndrome (inflammation of the nerves)
  • encephalitis
  • aseptic meningitis (inflammation of the lining of the brain)
  • deafness
  • cardiomyopathy (weakening of the heart muscle)
  • hypotonic-hyporesponsive episodes (collapse/shock)
  • convulsions
  • subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE)
  • ataxia (loss of ability to coordinate muscle movements)
  • parathesia (numbness, burning, prickling, itching, tingling skins sensation indicating nerve irritation)” [10]

MMR Vaccination And Autism

The other huge risk associated with the MMR vaccination is autism. In spite of denials by mainstream media and conventional medical groups, the connection is quite strong. Autism is now commonplace, with one out of 50 children being diagnosed with this debilitating disorder. [11]

More recently, a huge scandal occurred in which a CDC scientist confessed to covering up a 2001 study showing a significant increase in autism rates for African-American boys who received the MMR vaccine. [12]

You Decide

Clearly, when making an analysis of the risks versus benefits of the MMR vaccination, many health risks exist. It is not a safe vaccine, as is promised by the health industry: 6,962 reports of serious health injuries is significant; 329 deaths of young children is tragic. The strong association with an increase in autism is quite serious.

There is limited, if any, evidence showing health benefits of receiving this vaccination. Those receiving the vaccination continue to become ill with measles and mumps, which usually results in a mild illness.

It is important to weigh the risks and benefits prior to going forward with this medical procedure. After doing an important investigation of both risks and benefits, you alone must decide.

 

References:

  1. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/mmr.html
  2. Blaylock, Russell. Outsmarting … And Beating … Infections. The Blaylock Wellness Report. Vol. 19, No. 4. April 2012.
  3. http://www.h4cblog.com/vaccines-and-the-myth-of-herd-immunity
  4. http://www.healthsentinel.com/joomla/index.php…
  5. http://www.whale.to/vaccines/decline1.html
  6. http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/…
  7. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv…
  8. http://www.inquisitr.com/1177096/…
  9. http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/01…
  10. http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/…
  11. http://www.whiteoutpress.com/timeless/…
  12. http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/…

 

About the Author

Michelle Goldstein is a mental health therapist who is passionate about holistic health, natural healing, nutrient-dense foods and the politics that impact them. She has published articles for Natural News, VacTruth, and other health websites. All of her published articles to date can be found at her health website, Holistic Health to Go. She can also be followed on her Facebook Page, Holistic Health to Go.

 

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Michelle Goldstein is a mental health therapist who is passionate about holistic health, natural healing, nutrient-dense foods and the politics that impact them. She has published articles for Natural News, VacTruth, and other health websites. All of her published articles to date can be found at her health website, Holistic Health to Go. She can also be followed on her Facebook Page.

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    -Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.
    Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons.
    Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
    Conclusion: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Because of the failure rate of the vaccine and the unique transmissibility of the measles virus, the currently available measles vaccine, used in a single-dose strategy, is unlikely to completely eliminate measles. The long-term success of a two-dose strategy to eliminate measles remains to be determined. http://archinte.jamanetwork (dot) com/article.aspx?articleid=619215

    “The measles vaccine has failed”, he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Poland sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues. This is unexpected and a worrisome harbinger — measles outbreaks are occurring where they are least expected,” he wrote in his 2012 paper, listing the “surprising numbers of cases occurring in persons who previously received one or even two documented doses of measles-containing vaccine.” During the 1989-1991 U.S. outbreaks, 20% to 40% of those affected had received one to two doses. In a 2011 outbreak in Canada, “over 50% of the 98 individuals had received two doses of measles vaccine.”
    Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/
    http://business.financialpost (dot) com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/.
    Dr. Gregory Poland is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. Poland is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.

    We all know by now what the Disney Measles False Flag was about. It was the catalyst for the pharma owned politicians across the U.S. to submit their mandatory vaccine bills over an 8 week period based on the “deadly” Disney outbreak that resulted in less than 200 people becoming infected. Our government has manipulated the populace through intensive manufactured epidemics, fear mongering campaigns and initiating class wars between it’s citizens into compliance. They do this by the use of celebrity doctors in the media, in which some just outright lie, use of parents of children who died as a result of not having what is erroneously labeled as a vaccine preventable disease shot-current story running is a child in Australia named Riley who died last year from pertussis. Specific information is never made public such as was a PCR test done to determine the actual DNA of the bacteria the child had, was there enough of the bacteria in the child’s system to cause death because it’s not just the fact that a virus or bacteria is present-it’s the amount that is present, had the child or even the child’s parents been in contact with anyone who had recently been injected with the Pertussis vaccine within 28 days? This is important because current studies confirm what people have know for years that vaccines are the cause of outbreaks. Not only that but as Tod Merkel of the FDA stated: it has now become clear that the vaccine does almost nothing to prevent the spread of whooping cough. Although it does seem to prevent about 80 percent of people from showing symptoms of the disease, it does not prevent them from catching it or spreading it. Also, What’s worse, their model shows that if the disease can be spread through vaccinated, asymptomatic individuals essentially undetected: Whooping cough resurgence due to vaccinated people not knowing they’re infectious? clinicalnews(dot)org/2015/06/24/study-whooping-cough-resurgence-due-to-vaccinated-people-not-knowing-theyre-infectious/comment-page-1/.

    During the measles false flag many parents ran with their kids to the nearest peds to have them vaccinated. This is confirmed by MERCK”S surge in MMR profits.
    What parents were surprised to discover with the MMR is that the child can be infected by the vaccine. This is admitted by Dr. Maurice Hilleman in “Fear of the Invisible” by Janinie Roberts. Hilleman states they think it’s a good vaccine if “ONLY” 20% of the children become ill from the vaccine. Now, the interview was years ago when chronic illnesses were not as pervasive among children as they are today. 1 child in 6 is chronically ill according to the CDC. Chronically ill means a weakened immune system so the number Hilleman gave years ago would probably be higher. 20% is a lot of children who are not only ill, showing symptoms of measles, but also contagious as stated in the measles pink book.

    Take a look at these Pics: VACCINE INDUCED MEASLES
    -An Unexpected Side Effect of My Daughter’s Measles Vaccine
    http://www(dot)kveller(dot)com/an-unexpected-side-effect-of-my-daughters-measles-vaccine/
    -My Sons’ Vaccine-Related Measles
    http://www(dot)vaccinationinformationnetwork(dot)com/my-sons-vaccine-related-measles/
    -Genotype Testing Showed Baltimore Baby’s Symptoms Were A Reaction To The MMR, Health Officials Relieved
    http://www(dot)inquisitr(dot)com/1801210/genotype-baltimore-mmr/
    -https://www.facebook(dot)com/photo.php?fbid=10205874067907027&set=p.10205874067907027&type=1&theater
    -Story of one little girl:
    vaccinescanharm(dot)com/story-of-one-little-girl
    -Look what happened when a Mom staggered shots:http://edgytruth(dot)com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/facebookimage.png.
    -Case of vaccine-associated measles five weeks post-immunisation, British Columbia, Canada, October 2013: http://www.eurosurveillance(dot)org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=20649.

    -Vaccine Failure:
    -PLoS study: “Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination,” has brought to light the glaring ineffectiveness of two measles vaccines (measles–rubella (MR) or measles–mumps–rubella (MMR) ) in fulfilling their widely claimed promise of preventing outbreaks in highly vaccine compliant populations.

    China has one of the most vaccination compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? “The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high.”
    Zhifang Wang, Rui Yan, Hanqing He, Qian Li, Guohua Chen,
    Shengxu Yang, and Enfu Chen,* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot)
    gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/

    -Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011 http://cid.oxfordjournals(dot)org/content/early/2014/02/27/cid.ciu105
    This outbreak was linked to a fully vaccinated young lady and the end result
    was 88 people being infected from the strain she was vaccinated with.
    -Major Measles Epidemic in Quebec Despite 99% Vaccination Coverage
    Boulianne N, De Serres G, Duval B, Joly JR, Meyer F, Déry P, Alary M, Le Hénaff
    D, Thériault N. Département de santé communautaire, Centre Hospitalier
    de l’Université Laval. [Major measles epidemic in the region of Quebec
    despite a 99% vaccine coverage] [Article in French]. Can J Public
    health. 1991 May-Jun;82(3):189-90

    -Two Fully Vaccinated Doctors Get Measles (2009) A measles outbreak in 2009 exposed and infected two physicians, both of whom had been fully vaccinated with two doses of the MMR vaccine. These physicians were suspected of having been infected by treating patients diagnosed with measles. [5] http://jid.oxfordjournals(dot)org/content/204/suppl_1/S559.full.pdf+html.
    -Detection of measles vaccine in the throat of a vaccinated child.
    Morfin F1, Beguin A, Lina B, Thouvenot D.
    Author information- 1Laboratory of Virology, Hospices Civils de Lyon, Domaine Rockefeller, 8 avenue Rockefeller, 69373 Lyon Cedex 08, France. [email protected]
    -Vaccine. 2000 Dec 8;19(9-10):1093-6.
    Atypical measles in a patient twice vaccinated against measles: transmission from an unvaccinated household contact.
    Artimos de Oliveira S1, Jin L, Siqueira MM, Cohen BJ.
    Author information-1Department of Infectious Diseases, Hospital Universitário Antonio Pedro, Rua Marques do Paraná, 303, 2o. andar, RJ 24030-210, Niterói, Brazil. [email protected].
    -J Infect Dis. 2001 Feb 15;183(4):532-8. Epub 2001 Jan 18.
    Prolonged measles virus shedding in human immunodeficiency virus-infected children, detected by reverse transcriptase-polymerase chain reaction. Permar SR1, Moss WJ, Ryon JJ, Monze M, Cutts F, Quinn TC, Griffin DE.

    Current court case reveals MERCK has been faking the effectiveness of the Mumps portion for decades:
    -A formal complaint was filed in the Eastern Pennsylvania Federal District Court accusing Merck of a longstanding scheme to mislead and defraud Government health authorities worldwide. Two of Merck’s former employees have accused the pharmaceutical giant of marketing multivalent MMR vaccines under false pretenses. According to the complaint, these vaccines have been mislabeled, misbranded, adulterated and falsely certified as having a 95% efficacy rate:

    *UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
    United States of America ex rel., Stephen A Krahling and Joan A Wlochowski, AMENDED
    COMPLAINT FOR Plaintiffs, VIOLATIONS OF THE FEDERAL FALSE CLAIMS
    ACT FILED Merck & Co.inc . Defendant
    http://sanevax(dot)org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Merck-mumps-suit.pdf
    *COURTHOUSE NEWS SERVICE:
    Class Says Merck Lied About Mumps Vaccine By REUBEN KRAMER
    http://www.courthousenews(dot)com/2012/06/27/47851.htm
    -Judge: Lawsuit Against Merck’s MMR Vaccine Fraud to Continue
    http://healthimpactnews(dot)com/2014/judge-lawsuit-against-mercks-mmr-vaccine-fraud-to-continue/
    -Memorandum issued by Judge explaining his ruling.
    http://www.rescuepost(dot)com/files/59-opinion.pdf
    -Vaccine Whistleblowers File to Compel Merck to Respond to Federal Lawsuit: http://healthimpactnews(dot)com/2015/vaccine-whistleblowers-file-to-compel-merk-to-respond-to-federal-lawsuit/
    -Reuters, Wall Street Journal, report on Merck’s mumps fraud case
    http://www.reuters(dot)com/article/2015/06/04/health-vaccine-idUSL1N0YQ0W820150604.

    Rubella is a mild disease and even research has shown that even if a pregnant woman were infected the chances of a child being born with birth defects is very very low.

    MMR ingredients:
    Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Virus Vaccine, Live
    GROWTH MEDIUMS & PROCESS INGREDIENTS: chick embryo cell culture, WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts, Medium 199 (containing vitamins, amino acids, fetal bovine serum, SPGA (sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, recomninant human albumin), neomycin), Minimum Essential Medium (containing vitamins, amino acids, fetal bovine serum, recombinant human albumin, neomycin), sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin stabilizer.
    VACCINE INGREDIENTS: sorbitol, sodium phosphate, sucrose, sodium chloride, hydrolyzed gelatin, recombinant human albumin, fetal bovine serum, other buffer and media ingredients, neomycin.

    The injection of DNA from random biological sources, Human and Animal, has never been and continues to not be tested for use in Human Beings. In the books “Fear of the Invisible” and “The Vaccine Papers” a recurring theme throughout both is the researchers concerns about the effects of random DNA without it’s protein coating and the fact that they know it’s highly reactive but they don’t have a clue what to do about it. However, they KNOW that reactions are occurring but don’t want to do anything that might scare the public away from their very profitable vaccine agenda.

  • malka miller

    The vaccine was supposed to eliminate measles in ONE year – 1967, and it did not.

    The vaccine was supposed to be ONE shot for life, and it was not.

    LIES! This is not progress, it is expensive experimentation on unsuspecting humans – a violation of the Nuremburg laws and of the UN.

  • Rainchild53

    When I was a child I got measles and my mother got myself and my two sisters and put us in the same bed so we all got them. Two of us did and one didnt. From what I know Measles is a childhood disease that once contracted protects you from certain cancers in older age. I have not vaccinated any of my children and their constitutions are strong and healthy. Never had any problems with sickness. Not even the flu. The shots are toxic. Once your antibodies build up a resistance you will never get them again. You become immune naturally. As for the Rubella for boys. What boy gets pregnant let alone have a child that may be affected when in the womb. Its a load of garbage and I can see it for what it is. Hopefully others do to. It is a crime against humanity and is crippling and killing our children.

  • Thomas Johnson

    What if one of your unvaccinated boys spreads rubella to a pregnant woman? I guess that’s just her problem.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    The measles vaccine is such a failure that they have reduced global measles deaths to about 120,000 in 2014 from 2.6 million in 1980. In the US, measles incidence is down by 99.9%, and deaths, from between 400 and 500 per year, to a number that we can count on one hand. If that’s failure, let’s have more of it!

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    What most of the unvaccinated don’t understand is that the hard-core anti-vaccine cult will throw them under the bus if their children are killed or seriously harmed by a vaccine-preventable disease. They will blame the mother for not having a natural birth, or not breastfeeding, or not feeding them the right foods, yadda yadda yadda.

  • guest

    “The measles vaccine is such a failure that it has reduced global measles deaths to about 120,000 in 2014 from 2.6 million in 1980”

    Did the vaccine produce these results? Please provide INDEPENDENT studies to confirm your comment. This so called global reduction of measles number applies to third world countries BUT, UNICEF attributes reduction in disease to:
    Water, Sanitation and Hygiene-Clean water and improved sanitation for a school in Tamil Nadu: http://www.unicef(org)org/wash/index_24919.html and the main advances in combating
    disease over 200 years have been better food and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less overcrowded and better living conditions also contribute. This is also borne out in published peer reviewed research:

    “The questionable contribution of medical measures to the decline of mortality in the United States in the twentieth century“. McKinlay JB, McKinlay SM, Milbank Mem Fund Q Health Soc. 1977 Summer; 55(3): 405-28.

    “Symposium: Accomplishments in Child Nutrition during the 20th Century. Infant Mortality in the 20th Century, Dramatic but Uneven Progress” Myron E. Wegman School of Public Health, University of Michigan: J. Nutr. 131: 401S–408S, 2001.

    The death rate for all infectious diseases had plummeted before the introduction of vaccines for all those diseases. For example, in the United States the mortality rate for measles decreased by more than 98% before the introduction of the measles vaccine in 1963. In England, we see the same thing – a dramatic decrease in deaths before the introduction of the measles vaccine in 1968. The same can be said for other infectious diseases such as whooping cough – massive declines in death before the introduction of any vaccine. Scarlet fever, which was during the 1800s a bigger killer than whooping cough or measles, went to near zero without the use of a vaccine. (Vital Statistics of the United States 1937, 1938, 1943, 1944, 1949, 1960, 1967, 1976, 1987, 1992; Historical Statistics of the United States— Colonial Times to 1970 Part 1; Health, United States, 2004, US Department of Health and Human Services; Vital Records & Health Data Development Section, Michigan Department of Community Health; US Census
    Bureau, Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2003; Reported Cases and Deaths from Vaccine Preventable Diseases, United States, 1950–2008.)

    Before the advent of a measles vaccine, measles was generally
    considered a mild illness. Even the British Medical Journal remarked in 1959 that over a 10 year span there were few complications from measles and that all children recovered.

    “In the majority of children the whole episode has been well and truly over in a week . . . In this practice measles is considered as a
    relatively mild and inevitable childhood ailment that is best
    encountered any time from 3 to 7 years of age. Over the past 10 years there have been few serious complications at any age, and all children have made complete recoveries. As a result of this reasoning no special attempts have been made at prevention even in young infants in whom the disease has not been found to be especially serious: Vital Statistics, British Medical Journal, February 7 1959, p. 381.

    All the causes of death from the United States Vital Statistics in 1962 we see that measles accounted for 0.02% of deaths
    that year. In 1962, measles was 6th from the bottom for causes of death. You can look through the list of causes of death and find almost everything from “Birth Injuries” at 28,199 to “Ulcers” at 12,228 to “Asthma” at 4,896 were far higher than the 408 deaths attributed to “Measles” that year. The reduction in childhood illnesses-measles is one, can be attributed to the advances over many decades of improvement in hygiene, sanitation, electricity, transportation of food, refrigeration, labor laws, and nutrition.

    *****There is not a single INDEPENDENT***** study that can demonstrate and confirm that disease reduction in any part of the world at any point in history is due to inoculation of any population.

    The Measles vaccine is a dud as demonstrated by the number of outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations. Here are more examples of Measles Vaccine failure either by viral vaccine shedding or just plain ineffectiveness:

    -An outbreak of measles occurred in a high school with a documented vaccination level of 98 per cent.” This outbreak occurred in Waltham, MA between March and April of 1984. – PubMed – National Center for Biotechnology Information, 1987

    -BROTHER-TO-SISTER TRANSMISSION OF MEASLES AFTER MEASLES, MUMPS, AND RUBELLA IMMUNISATION http://www.thelancet (dot) com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2889%2991274-9/abstract

    -Clin Vaccine Immunol. Jul 2013; 20(7): 1094–1096. doi: 10.1128/CVI.00084-13 PMCID: PMC3697452 Nonfebrile Seizures after Mumps, Measles, Rubella, and Varicella-Zoster Virus Combination Vaccination with Detection of Measles Virus RNA in Serum, Throat, and Urine.

    -Vaccine. 2002 Feb 22;20(11-12):1541-3. Detection of measles vaccine in the throat of a vaccinated child. Morfin F1, Beguin A, Lina B, Thouvenot D. Author information 1Laboratory of Virology, Hospices Civils de Lyon, Domaine Rockefeller, 8 avenue Rockefeller, 69373 Lyon Cedex 08, France.

    -Virus Res. 2015 Jan 22;196:122-7. doi: 10.1016/j.virusres.2014.11.015. Epub 2014 Nov 20. Measles virus genetic evolution throughout an imported epidemic outbreak in a highly vaccinated population. We studied the natural genetic variability of genotype B3.1 in a population with 95% vaccine coverage throughout an imported six month measles outbreak.
    -Measles Rash in a 15 month old girl: BMJ 2012;345:e6973 : A 15 month old white girl became unwell on the day after she received her MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) and pneumococcal vaccinations. These had initially been booked when she was 13 months old but were postponed twice owing to minor illnesses. However the initial symptoms of malaise, fever, anorexia, cough, conjunctivitis, and coryza are typical of the prodromal phase of measles. The rash showed the characteristic morphology, distribution, and progression (fig 1) of a measles rash. (look it up)

    -A measles outbreak in early 1989 among approximately 4200 (fully vaccinated) students at a high school and two intermediate schools in suburban Houston, TX, was investigated to evaluate reasons for vaccine failure and to predict the efficacy of a booster dose of measles vaccine. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu

    -Virus Res. 2015 Jan 22;196:122-7. doi: 10.1016/j.virusres.2014.11.015. Epub 2014 Nov 20.
    Measles virus genetic evolution throughout an imported epidemic outbreak in a highly vaccinated population.
    Muñoz-Alía MÁ1, Fernández-Muñoz R2, Casasnovas JM3, Porras-Mansilla R1, Serrano-Pardo Á1, Pagán I4, Ordobás M5, Ramírez R5, Celma ML1.

    -Vaccine. 2003 Nov 7;21(31):4597-603.
    Modelling measles re-emergence as a result of waning of immunity in vaccinated populations.
    Mossong J, Muller CP. Laboratoire National de Sante, P.O. Box 1102, L-1011 Luxembourg, Luxembourg. [email protected]

    -Measles in Minsk, Belarus, 2001-2003: clinical, virological and serological parameters.
    Atrasheuskaya AV, Blatun EM, Neverov AA, Kameneva SN, Maksimov NL, Karpov IA, Ignatyev GM.
    Laboratory of Immunology Safety, Institute of Molecular Biology, State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology Vector, Koltsovo, Novosibirsk Region 630559, Russia. [email protected]
    BACKGROUND: A number of cases of measles have been reported in the Republic of Belarus despite vaccine coverage of 98%.

    -Measles virus genetic evolution throughout an imported epidemic outbreak in a highly vaccinated population: Received 13 October 2014, Revised 11 November 2014, Accepted 12 November 2014, Available online 20 November 2014. Virus Research
    Volume 196, 22 January 2015, Pages 122–127

    Abstract
    Measles virus circulates endemically in African and Asian large urban populations, causing outbreaks worldwide in populations with up-to-95% immune protection. We studied the natural genetic variability of genotype B3.1 in a population with 95% vaccine coverage throughout an imported six month measles outbreak.

    I have over 50 pages of Vaccine Failure and Ineffectiveness. Pubmed is a wonderful resource for studies and Greenmed (dot) com has an extensive library.

    There is not a single INDEPENDENT study that confirms that the Measles Vaccine has ever worked.

    Two things that make the Measles a deadly virus:
    1-The Killed Measles Virus which mutated and created a strain that was named Atypical Measles Syndrome or AMS which is a more aggressive and difficult virus to treat. A study from 1967 revealed that this killed measles virus vaccine could
    cause pneumonia and abdominal pain as well as encephalopathy
    (inflammation of the brain). These severe effects were “unanticipated.” Atypical measles was severe and occurred after encountering natural measles or being vaccinated with a live measles vaccine, because of being originally vaccinated with the KMV vaccine.

    Atypical measles was characterized by a higher and more
    prolonged fever, unusual skin lesions and severe pneumonitis compared to measles in previously unvaccinated persons. The rash was often accompanied by evidence of hemorrhage or vesiculation. The pneumonitis included distinct nodular parenchymal lesions and hilar adenopathy. Abdominal pain, hepatic dysfunction, headache, eosinophilia, pleural
    effusions and edema were also described. D. Griffin et al., “Measles Vaccines,” Frontiers in Bioscience, vol. 13, January 2008, pp. 1352–1370.

    Unfortunately even today, Atypical Measles is still being diagnosed in children. Researchers originally thought that AMS was a manifestation of only the Killed Measles Vaccine but it began to be discovered in children shortly after the KMV was removed from the market and who had only been given the LMVV. The strain is still circulating.

    2-The second way the Measles Vaccine became deadly is when the CDC/pharma began to use fear mongering on the populace to boost profits. The deadlier the Measles became in the public’s mind, the more big pharma’s profits soared. Hence, Merck recording record sales for the MMR after the Disney False Flag.

  • Really, and where and based on what do make that claim? As well what group of unvaccinated has been lets say within the last 30 years been seriously harmed by vaccine preventable disease? And you have examples and documentation of all of your claims, correct? Lets see you directly present with that?

  • What happens when a woman previously vaccinated in childhood for rubella, then at the age of 28 becomes pregnant and no longer has any vaccine derived antibodies and assumed protection from the vaccine? Should male and female adults then receive boosters throughout their adult life as well?

    How many total injected toxic and known contaminated vaccines in a life time, would be enough, and or to many? And what you are saying is that no one should ever have any concerns about that large number of vaccines, causing adverse effect health problems within the population? Have you been re-vaccinated for rubella, so called Thomas. You know those vaccines do not provide protection, for life.

    Aren’t you then as well fudging on the vaccine derived herd immunity situation? You should as well know that vaccine derived herd immunity has never existed, and simply as well due to that vaccines do not provide any lifetime immunity.

  • The CDC originally stated that the measles vaccine was going to eradicate measles. Why has that not happened?

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine, (multiple listed outbreaks where 80 to 90% of the outbreak was found to be in the vaccinated, and as well the fully vaccinated on schedule)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    There are clearly health benefits to acquiring measles and as well life long natural immunity, and the study science has long been established. That situation is outlined here.

    The truth about the measles, natural immunity, and the vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-truth-about-the-measles-natural-immunity-and-the-vaccine.html

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

  • MEDICAL NUREMBERG FOR CDC NOW
    http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/medical-nuremberg-for-cdc-now

    HHS(.)gov
    U.S. Department of Health & Human Services
    The Nuremberg Code
    http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/archive/nurcode.html

    Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights
    http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Because we haven’t vaccinated everyone yet. If we did things your “natural immunity” way, we would be having nearly 2.5 million more deaths from measles every year worldwide.

  • You should be equally concerned with a vaccinated asymptomatic child spreading rubella to a pregnant woman.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Based on watching anti-vaccine cultists go after the families of babies who died from whooping cough. Their parents spoke out in favor of vaccines, and the cultists decided that grieving families needed to be shouted down. What a bunch of sick a-holes.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Why would you think that?

  • Thomas Johnson

    “What happens when a woman previously vaccinated in childhood for rubella, then at the age of 28 becomes pregnant and no longer has any vaccine derived antibodies and assumed protection from the vaccine?”

    Thanks to the rubella vaccine that’s a very rare situation! But when that happens the woman has to be careful to avoid contact with anyone with rubella until delivery.

    “Should male and female adults then receive boosters throughout their adult life as well?”

    No, but anyone she’ll be in close contact with while pregnant should be tested and revaccinated if necessary.

    The rest of your post isn’t worth responding to.

  • Rebecca Alvarez

    Sorry but most Vaccine choice parents of Healthy undamaged children (from Vaccines) have Healthy children and do things to maintain and boost immunity. Yes, starting with Breastfeeding since most Parents know that their childs immunity is protected when they Breastfeed. AND if the parent has had the childhood disease, they pass the Natural Immunity on to their child through Breast milk. That doesn’t happen if they’ve been vaxed.

  • sabelmouse

    had the woman had rubella as a child this wouldn’t be a problem.

  • Really, a rare situation? How is that? And is it that years later no actual rubella is circulating, and actually that the rubella vaccine had nothing to do with the decline in numbers of rubella cases?

    Estimated duration of protection from vaccine after receipt of all recommended doses.

    Rubella Most vaccinees (>90%) protected >15-20 years

    http://www.immune.org.nz/duration-protection-efficacy-and-effectiveness

    We all know that the rubella vaccine has never been 90% effective, and as well after the known Merck spiking with animal antibodies, and the fudging of the clinical trials results.

    If you received the second dose of MMR vaccine by age 6, then does that not tell us that by age of 20 to 26 that the vaccine likely would provide zero immunity? Do we as well not realize that thousands and actually millions of adults have not been re-vaccinated since childhood? Where is your vaccine derived herd immunity to rubella, fool? It doesn’t exist. Just face it. Why is not rubella coming back then and where rubella is everywhere? use your head. The vaccines obviously never actually worked. You have been brainwashed and you refuse to see the reality of this.

    2016 Recommended Immunizations for Children from Birth Through 6 Years Old
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/who/teens/downloads/parent-version-schedule-7-18yrs.pdf

    Recommended Adult Immunization Schedule for Adults Aged 19 Years or Older, by Vaccine and Age Group1
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/adult-shell.html

    MMR: Many More Risks
    http://vaccinechoicecanada.com/specific-vaccines/mmr-many-more-risks/

    The already long existing and the real study science has already long since, shown us what the REAL truth is.

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:

    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life.

    The Lancet, January 5 1985

    Abstract

    The presence of measles specific antibodies is usually taken as evidence of typical measles in the past; in the present study it was regarded as evidence of infection with measles virus, but not necessarily of the common disease accompanied by a typical rash. The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours. It is suggested that the presence of measles virus specific antibodies at the time of acute infection interferes with development of specific cytolytic reactions, and enables intracellular measles virus to survive the acute infection. If this hypothesis is verified, use of immune serum globulin after measles exposure has to be reconsidered.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

    The truth about the measles, natural immunity, and the vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-truth-about-the-measles-natural-immunity-and-the-vaccine.html

    Kids Given Vaccines Have 22 Times the Rate of Ear Infections
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/01/more-parents-waking-up-to-vaccine-dangers.aspx

  • Really, you are just full of it. And do you realize that the evidence exists in regard to that the pertussis vaccine does not even protect babies that are tow young to be vaccinated? The vaccinated can still shed the pertussis pathogen to a baby and anyone else around that has not been vaccinated, and even when remaining asymptomatic. God bless natural immunity, and the correctly working immune system that is unhindered and by a load of injected toxic and contaminated vaccines. You know and as well not dysregulated by a load of aluminum adjuvants that cause the immune system to seek out anything and everything including self cells that could be anywhere within the human body. Why is there so much cancer, Charlie “VERY SICK” B? Is that just another trade off for protecting the herd and which was never actually protected, but only their health actually harmed by a load of toxic and potentially contaminated vaccines?

    Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model

    Significance

    Pertussis has reemerged as an important public health concern since current acellular pertussis vaccines (aP) replaced older whole-cell vaccines (wP). In this study, we show nonhuman primates vaccinated with aP were protected from severe symptoms but not infection and readily transmitted Bordetella pertussis to contacts. Vaccination with wP and previous infection induced a more rapid clearance compared with naïve and aP-vaccinated animals. While all groups possessed robust antibody responses, key differences in T-cell memory suggest that aP vaccination induces a suboptimal immune response that is unable to prevent infection. These data provide a plausible explanation for pertussis resurgence and suggest that attaining herd immunity will require the development of improved vaccination strategies that prevent B. pertussis colonization and transmission.

    Abstract

    Pertussis is a highly contagious respiratory illness caused by the bacterial pathogen Bordetella pertussis. Pertussis rates in the United States have been rising and reached a 50-y high of 42,000 cases in 2012. Although pertussis resurgence is not completely understood, we hypothesize that current acellular pertussis (aP) vaccines fail to prevent colonization and transmission. To test our hypothesis, infant baboons were vaccinated at 2, 4, and 6 mo of age with aP or whole-cell pertussis (wP) vaccines and challenged with B. pertussis at 7 mo. Infection was followed by quantifying colonization in nasopharyngeal washes and monitoring leukocytosis and symptoms. Baboons vaccinated with aP were protected from severe pertussis-associated symptoms but not from colonization, did not clear the infection faster than naïve animals, and readily transmitted B. pertussis to unvaccinated contacts. Vaccination with wP induced a more rapid clearance compared with naïve and aP-vaccinated animals. By comparison, previously infected animals were not colonized upon secondary infection. Although all vaccinated and previously infected animals had robust serum antibody responses, we found key differences in T-cell immunity. Previously infected animals and wP-vaccinated animals possess strong B. pertussis-specific T helper 17 (Th17) memory and Th1 memory, whereas aP vaccination induced a Th1/Th2 response instead. The observation that aP, which induces an immune response mismatched to that induced by natural infection, fails to prevent colonization or transmission provides a plausible explanation for the resurgence of pertussis and suggests that optimal control of pertussis will require the development of improved vaccines.

    Read more:
    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/11/20/1314688110.abstract

    Nonhuman Primate Model of Pertussis

    Our results demonstrate that the baboon provides an excellent model of clinical pertussis that will allow researchers to investigate pertussis pathogenesis and disease progression, evaluate currently licensed vaccines, and develop improved vaccines and therapeutics.

    http://iai.asm.org/content/80/4/1530.full​

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    Pertussis Vaccine Study Shatters Illusion of Vaccine-Induced Immunity
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/12/10/whooping-cough-pertussis-vaccine.aspx

    Whooping Cough Vaccine Does Not Work – Says US FDA’s Research
    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/11/28/whooping-cough-vaccine-does-not-work-says-us-fdas-research/

    Why is the CDC and FDA Still Recommending the Failed Whooping Cough Vaccine?
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/why-is-the-cdc-and-fda-still-recommending-the-failed-whopping-cough-vaccine/

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    “Herd Immunity.” The flawed science and failures of mass vaccination, Suzanne Humphries, MD
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/07/05/herd-immunity-the-flawed-science-and-failures-of-mass-vaccination-suzanne-humphries-md-3/

    Herd immunity from vaccines is nothing more than vaccine quotas
    http://www.polkmoms.com/forum/topics/herd-immunty-from-vaccines-is-nothing-more-than-vaccine-quotas

    Vaccine Shedding. You will never look at vaccinated children the same again
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKSeiAs_A4w

  • LOL, what a load of complete crap. And when and if the mandated vaccination rate is then 100% of the children, and you will still have millions of adults which have never been re-vaccinated since childhood, you are going to need to mandate that all adults in the world get re-vaccinated too? And what will be your false excuse then and when it is still failing? Oh but you know it will not be really failing, as then the entire population can be forced to become life time business partners with big pharma and in their selling of sickness and disease created by all those toxic and contaminated vaccines.

    INDESCRIBABLY DISGUSTING VACCINE INGREDIENTS

    SO WHAT ABOUT THE FLY IN OUR SOUP?

    It may not do any harm at all, especially if it has been well heated in the soup!

    However, all injected substances including insect fragments bypass the body’s intricate defense mechanism. The same substances which are harmless when ingested are shown to be extremely detrimental to health when injected. This is learned by medical students and others, but many doctors, health authorities and other vaccine promoters appear to ignore this basic fact.

    Read more:
    http://birthofanewearth.blogspot.com/2012/01/indescribably-disgusting-vaccine.html

    Gardasil Vaccine Becomes International Scandal: Deceptive Emails by Health Officials Exposed to Public
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/gardasil-vaccine-becomes-international-scandal-deceptive-emails-by-health-officials-exposed-to-public/

    Is HPV Vaccine Safety an Illusion Maintained by the Suppression of Science?
    http://sanevax.org/hpv-vaccine-safety-an-illusion-maintained-by-suppression-of-science/

    Allegations of Scientific Misconduct by GACVS/WHO/CDC Representatives et al
    An open-letter of complaint to the Director-General of the World Health Organization, Dr. Margaret Chan
    http://sanevax.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Allegations-of-Scientific-Misconduct-by-GACVS.pdf

    SEVERE GARDASIL INJURIES & COVER-UP! ~ Mothers Speak at NYC City Hall 1-20-16
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4I1_bcj4Ow&list=LL8me2gYHgXwUdkWqb1DW0SQ&index=1

    Adventitious Agents and Vaccines

    Philip R. Krause (go to full text pdf)

    Food and Drug Administration, Bethesda, Maryland, USA

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2631857/

    Full text:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2631857/pdf/11485673.pdf

    Issues Associated With Residual Cell-Substrate DNA (I found Explorer worked to download this unbelievable read, and chrome did not)

    (Page 20 and 47 mention the said WHO limit of 10ng of human DNA in a vaccine. But many of the current vaccines are produced with said human diploid tissue, and so what then? No mention of that issue appeared to have been made. As well see there reference made of ongogenic activity, and infective activity. Obviously they do not have any actual and nor sufficient animal and nor human studies on and in regard to this said issue. What they have is literally only presumed estimates. The FDA thus clearly knows of the cancer causing potential, infective potential, and of the unknown potential to create both known and unknown created adverse health situations with these vaccines; such as autoimmune disease as well Wow.)

    http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/05/slides/5-4188S1_4draft.ppt

    New Study in Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology Correlates Autism Disorder Increase and Human Fetal DNA, Retroviral Agents in Vaccines

    (My review of the information): So it should come as no surprise that the FDA has known for decades about the dangers of insertional mutagenesis by using the human fetal cell lines and yet, they chose to ignore it. Instead of conducting safety studies they regulated the amount of human DNA that could be present in a vaccine to no greater than 10ng. (See the FDA PDF reference link below titled, Issues Associated With Residual Cell-Substrate DNA)

    Unfortunately, Dr. Deisher’s team discovered that the fetal DNA levels in vaccines produced with aborted fetal cell tissue, ranged anywhere from 142ng – 2000ng per dose, way beyond the so-called “safe” level.

    “There are a large number of publications about the presence of HERV (human endogenous retrovirus – the only re-activatable endogenous retrovirus) and its association with childhood lymphoma,” noted Dr Deisher. “The MMR II and chickenpox vaccines and indeed all vaccines that were propagated or manufactured using the fetal cell line WI-38 are contaminated with this retrovirus. And both parents and physicians have a right to know this!”

    Certainly these discoveries by SCPI should generate an immediate investigation by FDA officials, if not an outright ban on the use of aborted fetal cell lines as substrates for vaccine production. There are numerous other non-human FDA-approved cell lines that can and should be used.

    New Study in Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology Correlates Autism Disorder Increase and Human Fetal DNA, Retroviral Agents in Vaccines

    http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/965249574.html

    Dr Deisher’s study is available on the Academic Journals website at: http://www.ms.academicjournals.org/article/article1409245960_Deisher%20et%20al.pdf

    Or on their website at http://www.soundchoice.org/scpiJournalPubHealthEpidem092014.pdf

    CDC ADMITS THE PROBLEM

    “- Many novel vaccines are produced in animal cell substrates, and emerging infectious diseases may theoretically be transmitted from animals to humans through these vaccines. The challenge of identifying potential adventitious agents in vaccines closely parallels the challenge of identifying the agents causing particular emerging infectious diseases.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2631857/pdf/11485673.pdf

    Again, here go; two of the most important vaccine related articles you will ever find.

    INDESCRIBABLY DISGUSTING VACCINE INGREDIENTS

    SO WHAT ABOUT THE FLY IN OUR SOUP?

    It may not do any harm at all, especially if it has been well heated in the soup!

    However, all injected substances including insect fragments bypass the body’s intricate defense mechanism. The same substances which are harmless when ingested are shown to be extremely detrimental to health when injected. This is learned by medical students and others, but many doctors, health authorities and other vaccine promoters appear to ignore this basic fact.

    Read more:
    http://birthofanewearth.blogspot.com/2012/01/indescribably-disgusting-vaccine.html

    If You Are In Support of Vaccinations, Read This If You Dare
    http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/if-you-are-in-support-of-vaccinations/

    Most of the below information is taken from the above two articles.

    FDA: ONLY NONBINDING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TESTING

    There is no incentive for vaccine promoters to find substances which are detrimental to health. FDA only presents nonbinding recommendations:

    “If an adventitious agent is known to be present in your cell substrate or viral seed, then you should demonstrate that your production process is sufficiently robust to eliminate or inactivate the agent with an appropriate margin of safety.” http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/guidancecomplianceregulatoryinformation/guidances/vaccines/ucm202439.pdf

    POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES OF INJECTING FOREIGN DNA

    “ – DNA is used from such organisms as animals, animal viruses, fungi, and bacteria. It has been documented that injecting foreign DNA in a human may cause it, or a portion of it, to be incorporated into the recipient’s DNA. The horrendous implications for the unborn defy the imagination.” http://healthwyze.org/index.php/vaccine-secrets.html

    “- most vaccines are contaminated with a number of known and yet-to-be discovered viruses, bacteria, viral fragments, and DNA/RNA fragments. And, further, our science demonstrates that these contaminants could lead to a number of slowly-developing degenerative diseases, including degenerative diseases of the brain.” http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/if-you-are-in-support-of-vaccinations/

    “- The risks of residual retinal DNA and stray viral contaminants from the animal tissues getting into flu shots are real. DNA snips are classified as either “infectious” or “oncogenic” (tumour causing) by researchers who worry that the stray DNA is being incorporated into the recipient’s DNA …” http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri123.htm

    Interview with Dr. Suzanne Humphries. (Regarding contaminants from 33 minutes):

    “- DNA particles from disease matter can get into our DNA and alter us and in my opinion these vaccines are turning us into genetically modified organisms.” http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=BAE7F6323813CFAFB8338173FB11D429

    SV40 VIRUS IS PASSED THROUGH GENERATIONS

    “- many of the contaminant organisms can pass from generation to generation. For example, new studies have found that SV-40, a major contaminant of the polio vaccine until 1963, not only existed as a latent virus for the lifetime of those exposed to the vaccine but was being passed on to the next generation, primarily by way of sperm, something called vertical transmission. This means that every generation from now on will be infected with this known carcinogenic virus. There is also compelling evidence that some polio vaccines manufactured after 1963 may contain SV-40 virus. What makes the SV-40 contamination disaster of such concern is its association with so many cancers…” http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/if-you-are-in-support-of-vaccinations/

    “ – It is impossible to remove DNA contaminants from vaccines. Although weight limits for contaminating DNA were set by the FDA as far back as 1986, vaccine makers have never been able to reach that goal. The CDC decided to limit their weight recommendation to cancerous cell lines and then increase the other DNA contamination allowance one hundred-fold. However, these limits are only “recommendations” and, therefore, the FDA is unable to enforce them. Vaccine manufacturers continue to have the freedom to take scientific measures to reduce contaminants only if they wish. http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=14455

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    Fernanda Martini1, Alfredo Corallini2, Veronica Balatti1, Silvia Sabbioni2, Cecilia Pancaldi1 and Mauro Tognon1*

    Corresponding author: Mauro Tognon

    Author Affiliations

    1 Department of Morphology and Embryology, Section of Cell Biology and Molecular Genetics, School of Medicine, and Center of Biotechnology, University of Ferrara, Via Fossato di Mortara, 64/B. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    2 Department of Experimental and Diagnostic Medicine, Section of Microbiology, University of Ferrara, Via Luigi Borsari, 46. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    To date, the prevalence of SV40 infections in humans is not known. Recent studies, based on PCR and serological techniques, indicate that SV40 infection occurs both in children and adults. (i) SV40 DNA sequences have been detected in normal and neoplastic tissues of people either too young (1 to 30 years) or too old (60 to 85 years) to have been vaccinated with SV40-contaminated anti-polio vaccines [19,33,76-81]. This finding may also explain the lack of difference in cancer incidence between individuals vaccinated with SV40-contaminated and SV40-free anti-polio vaccines [82]. (ii) SV40 sequences and Tag were detected in blood and sperm specimens from normal individuals and oncologic patients [80,81,83-88] and in lymphoblastoid cells [32]. These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    Read more:
    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    Advances in Virus Research, Volume 50

    Pages 83 and 84, read. (Also see the study titled, Simian virus 40 in humans, below on this page)

    Excerpted:

    Moreover, blood and sperm fluid may represent important means for spreading of SV40 in humans.

    Indeed in these investigations, (Martini etal;, 1995,1996) 61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=PfO7D8ZoSMkC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=sv40+is+contagious&source=bl&ots=AlaWsAkp95&sig=RnycQFX2ucD-3zybHQ07FAIeJYk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kZLfT5_mA4qc2QXKz6jtCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sv40%20is%20contagious&f=false

    SV-40 Deadly Cure
    http://www.viewzone.com/sv40x.html

    Types of SV40 Associated Cancers:
    http://www.sv40foundation.org/Types.html

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  • Thomas Johnson

    “Really, a rare situation? How is that?”

    It’s about zero in the U.S. because of widespread vaccination.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt15-crs.html

  • Thomas Johnson

    How is that relevant?

  • AutismDadd

    Buh Wah Ha Ha just asking that is ludicrous.

  • AutismDadd

    Another duh moment. Why are you here questioning things instead of getting your high school equivalency?

  • AutismDadd

    OMG dumb. Tell her to stay out of Walmart then because we can’t sanitize the whole world for her.

  • AutismDadd

    OH according to CDC an unbiased source of vaccine safety information. That’s like citing VAERS or Wikipedia. USELESS.

  • AutismDadd

    What “CULT” moron? Quit flappin your lips and get in touch with reality.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Way to not read the link.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Actually we can just like with smallpox.

  • AutismDadd

    Wrong clown.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Just fighting against vaccine preventable disease. Come on in to the 21st century!

  • AutismDadd

    Why bother? Coming from a dork with typical blind faith in vaccines it would be junk science.

  • Thomas Johnson

    I liked the other AD better.

  • Thomas Johnson

    What are your thoughts on germ theory, AD?

  • AutismDadd

    Yea the Age Of Autism

  • Thomas Johnson

    That’s the spirit!

  • AutismDadd

    Oh did you two guys have something SPECIAL ?

  • Thomas Johnson

    He was a lot smarter than you.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Autism has nothing to do with vaccines though.

  • AutismDadd

    I love it

  • AutismDadd

    You have no real clue do you?

  • Thomas Johnson

    I love you AD.

  • AutismDadd

    Sounds like he’s the one for you dude.

  • Thomas Johnson

    AD such a fountain of information.

  • AutismDadd

    You’d hump a chicken so get to it.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Maybe in another life.

  • Thomas Johnson

    I’m too beaucoup.

  • AutismDadd

    Aren’t you clever…..that’s right , you aren’t.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Blame something else AD. It’s time to let it go and move on.

  • Oh, so apparently then so called Thomas, you have never heard of natural immunity? And you believe that human beings can only function and survive in the world, with the use of injected toxic and contaminated, made and sold by big pharma? And as if a human being has no immune system at all. Then how would a vaccine work, if a human being has no functioning immune system at all and without the addition of toxic and known contaminated injected, vaccines?

  • He was fake. You like lies and fake stuff.

  • Actually he was an in denial LIAR, just like you. So how many character names do you actually have, so called Thomas? And then you can go and like all the reply posts you just made, and even though you just made them.

  • AutismDadd

    Hardly. Take your Mom to a movie. Get off your useless butt and do something with your life.

  • You won’t be getting another life. Your special reservation in hell and along side such as Paul Offit and Dorit Reiss has already been made. You know, for all eternity and where you can sit and burn and with no water to ever be had. You will regret all you have done on this earth at that point, and that you didn’t ever get it right. Evil deeds always result in an evil outcome.

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    Actually, that’s not technically true.

    Rubella, which is a VPD, is a known cause of autism via Congenital Rubella Syndrome.

  • Really? I think it actually does. Just look at all those long lists of studies and data, Didn’t you clam to be the purveyor of the science, and in the false claim that all the science was behind you. You are a promoter of nothing but JUNK science, and so you know; and but you will never admit it, and nothing would ever be enough. You must continue to deny it all. So, what is a shilling and trolling life like yours worth, not actually very much at all, and now is it? Why don’t you just give it and get a real job where you can actually contribute something good to and back to society?

    Obviously the CDC is a bit behind the times, deliberately and with all they have to lose, and which is everything. Think of their liability as well, it would be just massive. They would be finished if they ever admitted to what they have known all along.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    ​More Aluminum Adjuvant Harm Done Studies
    http://www.vacfacts.info/more-aluminum-adjuvant-harm-done-studies.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-vaccine-damage—science.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/aluminum-vaccine-adjuvants.html

  • Do you have an immune system? I do. In the end we are and will all much better off without big pharma’s toxic and contaminated for profit, multiple vaccines. Do you have any fully vaccinated verses entirely un-vaccinated health outcome studies? That’s what I thought, and I know that you actually have nothing. How about if you as well find me a single study that has looked at the vaccine safety related physiological aspects to the human health outcome of injecting a very small child with five and up to nine or more vaccines in a single day and office visit? I bet Paul Offit has a study to show and prove that is safe, correct? Where is it? But you also know what the truth is, and that every big pharma school trained and mislead doctor out there will deny that the vaccines had anything to do with the resulting lost child outcome, and as well any coroner that reviews the case of a dead child after a load of vaccines.

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    Paul Offit was doing a mathematical calculation about antigens – he does in fact have a study to prove that is safe. We know it is or humans would not have survived this long.

    Concomitant is the term you need to search for in the literature.

    Primary immune response vs secondary immune response.

    Toxicology depends on dose.

    “and that every big pharma school trained and mislead doctor out there will deny that the vaccines had anything to do with the resulting lost child outcome, and as well any coroner that reviews the case of a dead child after a load of vaccines.” Conspiracy theory.

  • So you are so cold hearted that you are also pushing your in denial hatred and blasphemy against parents of vaccine injured children? What kind of an in denial sick man and refuse to be educated sick mind does that?

    Educate4theInjured
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/

  • AutismDadd

    No you’re chicken koop so enjoy your hobby

  • AutismDadd

    Oh so you believe in another life eh? Enjoy your granola with that.

  • AutismDadd

    As opposed to your misinformation.

  • Thomas Johnson…such a fountain of complete DENIAL of the vaccine truth. So what is your real name? Do you also have handy your quick list directly detailing your direct conflicts of interest? Could you post that for us now? If not, then why not?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yay…It’s a copy/paste avalanche. Much easier than reading and thinking. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    fully vaccinated verses entirely un-vaccinated health outcome studies?

    Because even one or two vaccines vs. fully vaccinated would be impossible to draw a conclusion from. Even .00000000000000000000000000000001% of a flu shot would make the results utterly unintelligible.

    Seriously – did you ever take a math course?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Just look at all those long lists of studies and data,

    Dude you haven’t even read those. You couldn’t have a serious conversation about even ONE of them without scurrying away so you could go peddle the same laundry list elsewhere.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’ve forgotten most of my Dante but I’m pretty sure your suffering in the ring made for the deliberately stupid is supposed to be much worse.

  • So, if Paul Offit has that study, then why has no one ever seen it, and again you have failed to post it?

    New Junk Science Study – No link between ‘too many vaccines’ and autism risk
    http://www.vacfacts.info/new-junk-science-study—no-link-between-too-many-vaccines-and-autism-risk.html

    Paul Offit’s 10,000 vaccines at once

    October 2005 issue of the CHOP online magazine, (Photocopy of the page stated on)

    [Here Offit says kids can take 100,000 vaccines at once. He then changed it to 10,000: “In fact, Dr. Offit’s studies show that in theory, healthy infants could safely get up to 100,000 vaccines at once.” pdf copy and pdf copy of Parenting magazine article where he says the same thing.]

    http://www.whale.to/vaccines/offit23.html

    Paul Offit (The Devil’s servant1)
    http://www.whale.to/v/offit1.html

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Paul Offit-The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/paul-offit—the-real-truth.html

    Scientific Papers Library
    Immune Activation
    http://vaccinepapers.org/scientific-papers-library/

    A More Rigorous Defense of Al Adjuvant, and Why it is Wrong
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    VRM: The Problem With Vaccines Part 2 – Synergistic Effect of Heavy Metal Toxicity On The Body
    http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=6097

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g
  • So, present with some and the evidence for your claim? You do not have any evidence for such a mindless claim and you knows it. Prove me wrong.

    There are plenty of entirely un-vaccinated children out there to chose from and if they wanted to do it. As well thousands of entirely un-vaccinated Amish have existed for decades. Where do you come up with that one or two vaccines garbage, you reply like some in denial mad man. And so what is actually wrong with you, anyway? To much vaccine truth for your brain to process?

    It has nothing to do with taking any math course. A second or third grade math student could comprehend what is going on here, and so why can’t you?

  • Whale is a GREAT site for the real historical information and as recorded when it happened. You can deny that all you want, (the real truth is there and if you stick to the medical and vaccine history section. And all while you reference to your own sick and bullshit references like the corrupt CDC, Pediatrics, and the WHO. Those sources are are not authorities on any thing at all but in how to promote in bed with them, and in denial big pharma corruption. Just face it.

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    Still a Paul Offit Paper – you can choose to ignore it all you like but it still exists.

  • And with their morning or all night cup of coffee and while their slapping each other up in their vaccine shilling cubicles for making each other look bad in the reply posts they made. Mediocre level liars were hired here and make us all look bad, and only the best of vaccine shill liars, win. Or in their majorly deluded minds, they think they do.

  • And so what is YOUR excuse? See if you can actually form a humanly intelligible reply comment, next time? Is some actually supposed to care about your Dante? I have never been in the ring, but if would like to meet me there just say when and where? And bring all your bi and gay friends to ring side to witness your outcome.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So, present with some and the evidence for your claim?

    It’s more an argument – it requires thinking…are you ready?

    First do you believe that having 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of a flu vaccine in your system is equivalent in terms of potential harm to being fully vaccinated? If not, then you believe there’s a dose/response relationship between vaccination and harm.

    There are plenty of entirely un-vaccinated children out there to chose from and if they wanted to do it.

    Ok, I have five people who were completely unvaccinated is that enough? I also have five fully vaccinated people. Both groups of people have no cases of ASD. Do you conclude that vaccines do not cause ASD now? Obviously not. Why? Because autism is relatively rare so finding five people without it is actually pretty good odds – if you select randomly you have a ~92% chance of succeeding depending on the prevalence figures you use. So if 5 isn’t good – how about 10? See the ability to DETECT something is DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL to your SAMPLE SIZE. So before you say “Oh there’s definitely enough people to do this study”. You have to decide how sensitive your test is. Choosing 5 people isn’t appropriate because we believe we need a more sensitive test than 20%

    It has nothing to do with taking any math course.

    Actually it does…and I’m just getting started but I’ll let you chew on that.

  • Jonathan Graham

    See if you can actually form a humanly intelligible reply comment, next time?

    It’s a literary reference – in fact it’s the literary work that is responsible for your idea that there are special places in hell for particular sinners.

    Read a book. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1uc7ohS7cU

  • Where is that paper? Present with it now? And you remain so ignorant and mislead that if it actually exists, that it presents with something other than entirely junk science? Offit has NO studies and no science to back any of this ridiculous claims, so just face it. And do you actually believe that infants and children are exposed to in their daily environment up to 10,000 different bacterial and viral pathogens? How many viral and bacterial pathogens injected in a human body would it take to produce a fatal cytokine storm? You do not even know, do you. The study has never been done. Yet in your mind and world, corrupt and equally delusional Offit, knows it all? Really? You talk nothing but a load of bullcrap, that’s gone right to your typing finger tips

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

  • I don’t need a book, I have the internet. So when are you going to actually do some unbiased research? We are not talking about literary references, we were talking about the issue of vaccines. You can deny what I have said as real all you want. I am not and will not be your judge, and only one source of that outcome will be. Anyone that promotes that much vaccine destruction and living hell against your fellow humanity can be fit to go on only one place. But of course, you deny that. Well then just keep living what you do.

  • You make for a good liar but your complete bullshit top to bottom obviously will never fly. No one is that stupid. Get some help with your obsessions with lying. Was that in your vaccine shilling job description, must have an obsession with lying continually?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinocchio

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    It is literally the blue link I gave you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You make for a good liar but your complete bullshit top to bottom obviously will never fly.

    Tell you what point out specifically the logical problem with what I said. Just saying something is “bullshit” probably makes you feel better but it doesn’t actually change the fact that I gave you a logical argument and you’re just hiding from it. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    I don’t need a book

    Do you ever!

    So when are you going to actually do some unbiased research?

    Again if you can specifically point out, clearly and unambiguously a logical flaw in my argument then we can get started but if you’re going to just keep hiding away scared. Well I can only try to coax you out. :-)

  • You are obviously so full of BS that it is literally running out of your ears. I have read all of those studies and if I had not, i would not have put them on my site, and selected list,.It is you that actually can not honestly have a serious conversation in regard to any of those studies, and you know it. The person that is actually scurrying, is only you. Is the first job description requirement of a being vaccine trolling shill, to be a complete hypocrite? Obviously so.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I have read all of those studies

    Then stop cowering like a child and lets discuss one. :-)

  • First of all you have defeated and deflated your own arguments as for vaccine safety, and by your own arguments as to dose/response. You as well have zero studies to show that said safety level of the dose/response outcome, and in regard to actual human physiology. You still have nothing, and no matter how you try to twist it and BS your way through it. I do not even need to dissect your reply and as for any analysis, and based on your near to unintelligible and incompetent stupidity; and that is exactly what it all is

  • Jonathan Graham

    First of all you have defeated and deflated your own arguments as for vaccine safety , and by your own arguments as to dose/response.

    Nope. All I’ve done is establish what we agree on as far as dose/response goes. If you had read what I said instead of just assuming everything you don’t understand is wrong. You would get that. Do you understand now what dose/response means?

    I do not even need to dissect your reply

    It would be hard if you haven’t read it. Again do you understand what a dose/response relationship is?

  • You do not even have an argument left, and nor one left standing that has not already been your clams and flaws refuted.

  • Jonathan Graham

    See you actually have to say something relevant to the point to defeat or refute it. Just bragging that you have isn’t the same thing. :-)

  • So what are you actually smoking and or drinking that your reading comprehension ability is that bad? You as well yet can not even form an intelligible reply post, and nor with an issue that can be the claim responded to. Wow, they are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel in the hiring vaccine shills, these days. These people could not even pass as much as a third grade reading comprehension test, I swear. Just find a new job, and for your own and the publics better good.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, notice you can’t actually say *what* is wrong with my argument. Clearly just making a vague claim that something is false is harder than actually refuting it. :-)

  • And vaccine caused cancer, diabetes, asthma, allergies, and learning/developmental disorders in now 1 in 6 children, etc. No number of toxic and contaminated injected vaccines would ever be to many.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

  • And do you see me cowering in any way where at all? Really? And where?

    You see the studies, and so pick out one study and address and refute it. Provide your countering study references as well. That responsibility is actually yours, so quit making false excuses, and get to it

  • Jonathan Graham

    One condition: Your responses can not contain one insult of any kind and must respond with specific details to a specific point of mine.

  • Jonathan Graham

    And do you see me cowering in any way where at all? Really? And where?

    Absolutely! Your responses are just a string of vague invective. If that’s not someone who is terrified I don’t know what is. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    The list is so long, when I think of it it makes me weak with sadness. Generations of children used like test animals in a Nazi concentration camp. If they were honest and up front, that’s one thing. And choice another thing they should offer with explanation that they HOPE a positive outcome will ensue, but they are using stealth, government power and wishful thinking and the negative outcomes mean nothing to them, making them monsters in the first degree.

  • AutismDadd

    I’ll take the second one Lowell and can I buy a vowel?

  • Oh, and again this beyond stupid and mindless arse hole puts forth another entirely mindless reply post.

    What do you not get about that the dose response relationship has never been studied by sources such as the Offit, CDC and the AAP? The dose response argument as said has actually, and would destroy all arguments that you have for vaccine safety. Just because the proper and very needed vaccine safety studies have not been done, and/or the ones that were done, ever accepted by such as the to much and everything to lose the truth be known, CDC.

    MEDICAL NUREMBERG FOR CDC NOW
    http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/medical-nuremberg-for-cdc-now

    HHS(.)gov
    U.S. Department of Health & Human Services
    The Nuremberg Code
    http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/archive/nurcode.html

    Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights
    http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    What do you not get about that the dose response relationship has never been studied

    Until you can clarify that you understand what a dose/response relationship is. Your comments about what has or has not been studies are less than irrelevant. So again, do you understand what I’ve said about a dose response relationship. Seriously if you weren’t so frightened this would go much more quickly. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    What about the MILLIONS who received under 6 vaccines their whole lives instead of the amount these idiots suggest today? I’m one of them and I have no medical issues. My Mom is 87 no medical issues except old age.

  • That article does absolutely nothing to support Offits conclusion that infants and children can safely tolerate 10,000 vaccines in a single day. Below are excerpts from your said article.

    [Children are Exposed to Fewer Antigens in Vaccines Today Than in the Past

    Parents who are worried about the increasing number of recommended vaccines may take comfort in knowing that children are exposed to fewer antigens (proteins and polysaccharides) in vaccines today than in the past.

    Table 2 summarizes the number of proteins and polysaccharides contained in routinely recommended vaccines administered over the past 100 years. Although we now give children more vaccines, the actual number of antigens they receive has declined. Whereas previously 1 vaccine, smallpox, contained about 200 proteins, now the 11 routinely recommended vaccines contain fewer than 130 proteins in total.]

    This claim is preposterous and as well because vaccine toxicity is NOT measured in number of proteins and polysacchrides. Vaccine toxicity is measured in number of directly injected antigens and vaccine ingredients, and to include the disregarded level of vaccine contamination. Offit entirely has it wrong, and deliberately because he has nothing but such complete nonsense to stand on. To say that vaccine antigens are less today than they were decades ago and based on such falsified principals, is literally major fraud. You can’t see through this, really? Is that because you simply refuse to?

    That article is nothing but a major FRAUD and a LIE.

  • Keep on vaccine shilling there Little Johnson, it would be a shame if your shilling bank account ever dried up, and you ended up on the street and with your only existing qualifications, pan handling or shining peoples shoes.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    People in developing countries. As I have said a dozen times, the measles vaccine has reduced measles deaths from 2.6 million in 1980 to 120,000 in 2014. Sadly, that’s still 120,000 deaths too many. We haven’t been able to vaccine everyone in time to protect them from this cruel disease.

  • I ave had no vaccines in over 4 decades. Why don’t I have polio and now live existing in an iron lung? Millions of adults have never been revaccinated.since childhood. Vaccines have clearly never given lifetime and lifelong vaccine derived immunity. So where does your vaccine derived herd immunity exist at? It obviously, doesn’t.

  • AutismDadd

    OK MR Pharma. Thanks for the trickery instead of honesty.

  • Obviously I more than understand it. I am the person who originally pointed out the dose/response relationship and as it is; and that as well through the long pages of many studies I have collected on my website. And so now doing the needed vaccine safety studies, you claim as a subject matter, is irrelevant? You are nothing but a fraud that will lie about anything that is put in front of you

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    That’s quite the Wall O’ Text there. I’ll address the first item now and take on more later. There’s no need to re-vaccinate most adults, because the evidence shows that two doses of the measles vaccine confers lifetime immunity. As for measles survivors, most of them are immune as well.

    Anti-vaccine cultists demand that vaccines be absolutely perfect. To them, any success of vaccines short of 100% means that they are worthless garbage. If a vaccine is 99.9% successful, most people would think it ridiculous to round 99.9% down to 0%, but that’s the logic of the anti-vaxxers!

  • Those responses are actually kicking your butt on every level; and so just get used to it.

  • AutismDadd

    But you’re a bonehead, at least let him call you that.

  • You have no argument left that has not been addressed and refuted, so just face it.

  • AutismDadd

    Why not Superman?

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Superman? I think Cam Newton is still too dejected from losing the Super Bowl to help out with this.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, that isn’t saying specifically what was wrong. Why is that difficult for you I wonder. :-)

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Orac demolishes the claims that fetal DNA cause autism!

    “To do what Dr. Ratajczak claims, the minute amount of human DNA in a vaccine would have to:

    Find its way to the brain in significant quantities.

    Make it into the neurons in the brain in significant quantities.

    Make it into the nucleus of the neurons in significant quantities.

    Undergo homologous recombination at a detectable level, resulting in either the alteration of a cell surface protein or the expression of a foreign cell surface protein that the immune system can recognize.

    Undergo homologous recombination in many neurons in such a way that results in the neurons having cell surface protein(s) altered sufficiently to be recognized as foreign.

    That’s leaving aside the issue of whether autoimmunity in the brain or chronic brain inflammation is even a cause of autism, which is by no means settled by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, quite the opposite. It’s not at all clear whether the markers of inflammation sometimes reported in the brains of autistic children are a cause, a consequence, or merely an epiphenomenon of autism. In other words, Dr. Ratajczak’s hypothesis is incredibly implausible on the basis of what we know about molecular biology and human biology. It’s not quite homeopathy-level implausible, but nonetheless quite implausible. Even so, I’m willing to have my mind changed for me, but there’s only one thing that can possibly do that: Scientific data. Experiments. Clinical trials. Good ones.”

    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/04/05/the-resident-anti-vaccine-reporter-at-cb/

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry. You have not made any specific criticism to any specific point. Feel free to quote a specific point of mine and a specific response of yours and then detail how your response refutes mine. What I expect just more broad claims of somethings wrong or how you beat something…yawn.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Obviously I more than understand it.

    It doesn’t appear so. You can’t even agree or explain why you disagree with my simple statement about dose response. So sorry – until you show you can sit at the big peoples table. The same question gets asked again: Do you consider there to be EQUIVALENT RISK of harm in 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001% of a flu vaccine than in a fully vaccinated person.

    Let me know when you figure it out.

  • James Peters
  • Thomas Johnson

    Nice straw man, Lowell.

  • Thomas Johnson

    That’s you actually.

  • Thomas Johnson

    No, he was just against vaccine preventable disease. Unlike you.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You can push past this.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Lowell, you’re the one promoting vaccine preventable disease in children. You have a lot more to worry about than I do.

  • Thomas Johnson

    “Really? I think it actually does.”

    I know you do, Lowell. But then you also believe Morgellons is caused by alien fibers being spread by chemtrails.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Sometimes reality is painful, Lowell. You should know that as much as anyone.

  • Thomas Johnson

    We’ll all find out eventually.

  • Thomas Johnson

    I can only try.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You don’t know vaccine truth, Lowell. You’re a germ theory denialist.

  • Thomas Johnson

    If you could prove that you would have by now.

  • sabelmouse

    ?????????????
    seriously?
    she’d be immune and no problerm, innit?!?

  • sabelmouse

    YOU would.

  • sabelmouse

    you’re using book shaming now? you’re to ridiculous.
    oh, wait, i’ve done the same thing. my bad.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No upvote?

  • Thomas Johnson

    Why would anyone want rubella to run wild again when we can simply vaccinate for it?

  • Thomas Johnson

    I did.

  • AutismDadd

    Then try cliff diving, water optional.

  • AutismDadd

    Some find out hours after vaccination

  • How is it a straw man when it directly addresses what you stated. You as well also disregard all harm done, and the risks of vaccines

  • You just admitted to liking a fake profile that falsely impersonated, AutismDadd. You like lies, false harassment, and lies; so just admit it.

  • The false impersonators game was nothing but false information, and just like you. Were you the said impersonator? And as well what other profiles do you post under, here?

  • Those kind of lies will only make it far worse for you. When you deny the physical vaccine harm harm done, and as well the death caused to infants and children because of vaccines, then what sort of a subhuman person does that? Vaccines have never eradicated anything, and it is the largest and most evil hoax and fraud ever perpetrated on humanity. I will say it again, enjoy your special place in hell.

  • In this thread you have made no argument at all other than referencing to some dumb read a book video. So go ahead and make an actually intelligible argument that can be responded to directly.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’ve already asked you several times to confirm if you agree that there’s a difference in terms of potential for harm between a child having 0.0000000000000000000000001% of a flu-vaccine and a fully vaccinated child. So far you can’t manage a “yes” or “no” that’s how afraid you are.

  • Your first study has nothing to do with alzheimers, but instead only addresses a potential treatment for allergic reactions such as allergic asthma, rhinitis, and conjunctivitis.

    As long as you brought up alzheimers, lets look at just a few studies that address that issue in regard to vaccines.

    Elevated brain aluminium and early onset Alzheimer’s disease in an individual occupationally exposed to aluminium: a case report
    http://www.jmedicalcasereports.com/content/8/1/41/abstract

    Cognitive Deterioration and Associated Pathology Induced by Chronic Low-Level Aluminum Ingestion in a Translational Rat Model Provides an Explanation of Alzheimer’s Disease, Tests for Susceptibility and Avenues for Treatment
    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijad/2012/914947/

    Long-term Persistence of Vaccine-Derived Aluminum Hydroxide is Associated with Chronic Cognitive Dysfunction
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013409001895

    Int J Alzheimers Dis. 2011 Mar 8;2011:
    Link between Aluminum and the Pathogenesis of Alzheimer’s Disease: The Integration of the Aluminum and Amyloid Cascade Hypotheses.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21423554

    Crit Rev Toxicol. 2014 Oct;44
    Systematic review of potential health risks posed by pharmaceutical, occupational and consumer exposures to metallic and nanoscale aluminum, aluminum oxides, aluminum hydroxide and its soluble salts.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25233067

    Cutting Edge: Inflammasome Activation by Alum and Alum’s Adjuvant Effect Are Mediated by NLRP31
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2587213/

    The toxicology of aluminum in the brain: a review
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11130287

    Biotech Histochem. 2015 Feb
    A histological study of toxic effects of aluminium sulfate on rat hippocampus.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25314162

    Your second link as well has nothing to do with ASD, and briefly and only gives details about a proposed vaccine for alzheimers. In fact it states:

    [Alzheimer’s disease is characterized by the presence of prejudicial forms of protein tau and senile plaques composed of amyloid beta protein, which has been linked with neuronal loss and severity of dementia. A therapy targeting damaging forms of tau protein would thus have the potential to protect neurons from degeneration.]

    Which is exactly what the studies I presented with show is being caused by aluminum adjuvants in vaccines, and brain degeneration in general. So big pharma first creates and causes the problem with vaccines, and then turns around and creates a vaccine to turn off the amyloid beta protein problem and damage in the brain that they originally caused. That is in your mind just awesome, and so impressive, right?

    Your third link titled … A vaccine and diagnostic target for Clostridium bolteae, an autism-associated bacterium does not address at all cancer. What it addresses is the first vaccine made for and against Clostridium bolteae which is often found in the digestive tract of children with autism. What you do not seem to comprehend here, Peters, is that the damage to the digestive tract that the live MMR vaccine has done, is what has allowed Clostridium bolteae to unnaturally flourish in the first place, and upset the normal balance of good and bad bacteria known as probiotics. Before developing that vaccine, do you suppose pharma ever tried first treating a child with a quality probiotic? Do you see now why big for profit pharma is and looks as crazy as a money chasing its tail? No wonder there are no real cures for anything, and when they entirely refuse to look and and reject the actual causation. If they did, their entire pharma foundation of false understanding, crumbles right before their eyes.

    First Vaccine Against Autism-Associated Bacterium Clostridium bolteae
    http://www.sci-news.com/medicine/article01038.html

    The 4th link addresses the potential for use of anti-cancer vaccines. It state, and you can just see the major greed and as to the profit making potential in this.

    [Although not a single such therapeutic vaccine has yet been approved for use, promising results from small studies, plus the general sense that the immune system may be cancer’s most powerful foe, have led scientists from major cancer centers to launch clinical trials of these cancer vaccines and found companies to commercialize them. Investors are bullish enough on the approach to have put tens of millions of dollars into these startups, and established drug and biotech companies are racing to partner with them. The arrival of cheap, fast DNA sequencing has made individualized therapy practical, contributing to the explosion in interest.]

    What you are not understanding or choosing to Peters, is this concept and at its core is what natural medicine, naturopathy, and natural protocols have been all about from the start. Creating a natural health situation where the human body is detoxified and supported with cellular nutrition and to the point that the immune system works properly, and thus cancer never has a chance to get started within the human body. What you as well refuse to get is that vaccine dsyregulate the immune system, and especially the load of 49 doses of 14 vaccines that children today get before the age of 6. And cases of childhood cancer are near to epidemic in numbers because of it. That and as well the issue of SV40 which has now as well been known to be passed from generation to generation through what is horizontal infection.

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    So actually Peters, what you have done here is provide not a single study that shows that vaccines do not cause and as I said, cancer, diabetes, asthma, allergies, and learning/developmental disorders in now 1 in 6 children,

    Here is a study regarding vaccines and asthma, if you are interested.

    Vaccine. 2008 Mar 25;26(14):1725-30. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2008.01.041. Epub 2008 Feb 13.
    Kinetics of asthma- and allergy-associated immune response gene expression in peripheral blood mononuclear cells from vaccinated infants after in vitro re-stimulation with vaccine antigen.

    Lahdenperä AI1, Nilsson LJ, Regnström K.

    Abstract

    The global expression of immune response genes in infants after vaccination and their role in asthma and allergy is not clearly understood. Pharmacogenomics is ideally suited to study the involved cellular responses, since the expression of thousands of genes can be assessed simultaneously. Here, array technology was used to assess the expression kinetics of immune response genes with association to asthma and allergy in peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC) of five healthy infants after vaccination with Infanrix-Polio+Hib. At 12h after in vitro re-stimulation of the PBMC with pertussis toxin (PT) antigen, 14 immune response pathways, 33 allergy-related and 66 asthma-related genes were found activated.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18336961

    Epidemiology. 1997 Nov;8(6):678-80.
    Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
    http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3702662?uid=3739904&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=211

    Int Arch Allergy Immunol. 1999 Jul;119(3):205-11.

    Pertussis adjuvant prolongs intestinal hypersensitivity.

    Our findings indicate nanogram quantities of PT, when administered with a food protein, result in long-term sensitization to the antigen, and altered intestinal neuroimmune function. These data suggest that exposure to bacterial pathogens may prolong the normally transient immune responsiveness to inert food antigens.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10436392

    Pediatr Allergy Immunol.

    Immunoglobulin E and G responses to pertussis toxin after booster immunization in relation to atopy, local reactions and aluminium content of the vaccines.

    The correlation between total IgE and PT-IgE, which was most prominent in children with atopy, indicates that the role of immunization for the development of allergy merits further studies.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8087191

    J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 2000 Feb;23(2):81-90.
    Effects of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis or tetanus vaccination on allergies and allergy-related respiratory symptoms among children and adolescents in the United States.

    J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 2000 Feb;23(2):81-90.

    Effects of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis or tetanus vaccination on allergies and allergy-related respiratory symptoms among children and adolescents in the United States.

    Results: The odds of having a history of asthma was twice as great among vaccinated subjects than among unvaccinated subjects (adjusted odds ratio, 2.00; 95% confidence interval, 0.59 to 6.74). The odds of having had any allergy-related respiratory symptom in the past 12 months was 63% greater among vaccinated subjects than unvaccinated subjects (adjusted odds ratio, 1.63; 95% confidence interval, 1.05 to 2.54). The associations between vaccination and subsequent allergies and symptoms were greatest among children aged 5 through 10 years.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10714532

    Evidence and Mechanism of Vaccines/Injections causing Food Allergies, Asthma, Type I Diabetes and other Autoimmune Disorders

    Mechanism of food allergy development

    The same mechanism holds for any other protein that is injected into the body.

    https://foodallergycauses.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/evidence-and-mechanism-of-vaccines-causing-food-allergies-asthma-and-type-i-diabetes/

    Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent
    Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases
    http://omicsonline.com/open-access/vaccine-induced-immune-overload-and-the-resulting-epidemics-of-type-diabetes-and-metabolic-syndrome-1747-0862.S1-025.pdf

    BMJ. 1999 Oct 23; 319(7217): 1133.
    Association between type 1 diabetes and Hib vaccine
    Causal relation is likely
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116914/

    Serological examination of IgE- and IgG-specific antibodies to egg protein during influenza virus immunization.

  • So in your hypocrisy is that both a straw man and an ad hominem reply? Of course it is. And with all those dozens of supporting studies on those pages you again just simply ignore it all. And again you can actually address, nothing.

  • They were put right in front of you, why have you not picked one of them? There are dozens of them there. It is actually you that needs to stop cowering. It is not just one study that makes for the totality of the needed conclusions, but the bulk of all the studies and data.

    Take your pick!!!

    Where do you think those toxic metals are coming from if not vaccines? How is it as well that doing properly done heavy metal detox in children with autism, has resulted in major improvements in the reversal of autism?

    The Severity of Autism Is Associated with Toxic Metal Body Burden and Red Blood Cell Glutathione Levels

    Abstract

    This study investigated the relationship of children’s autism symptoms with their toxic metal body burden and red blood cell (RBC) glutathione levels. In children ages 3–8 years, the severity of autism was assessed using four tools: ADOS, PDD-BI, ATEC, and SAS. Toxic metal body burden was assessed by measuring urinary excretion of toxic metals, both before and after oral dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA). Multiple positive correlations were found between the severity of autism and the urinary excretion of toxic metals. Variations in the severity of autism measurements could be explained, in part, by regression analyses of urinary excretion of toxic metals before and after DMSA and the level of RBC glutathione (adjusted of 0.22–0.45, in all cases). This study demonstrates a significant positive association between the severity of autism and the relative body burden of toxic metals.

    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/ (full study)

    Aluminum Induced Immunoexcitotoxicity in Neurodevelopmental and Neurodegenerative Disorders

    Russell L. Blaylock*

    Visiting Professor Biology Belhaven University Theoretical Neurosciences Research, LLC Ridgeland, Mississippi, USA

    Abstract

    A great deal has been learned about the neurotoxicity of aluminum over the past two decades in terms of its ability to disrupt cellular function. Newer evidence suggests that a more central pathophysiological mechanism may be responsible for much of the toxicity of aluminum and aluminofluoride compounds on the brain. This mechanism involves activation of the brainâ € ™ s innate immune system, primarily the microglia, with a release of neurotoxic concentrations of excitotoxins and pro-inflammatory cytokines, chemokines and immune mediators. A large number of studies suggest that excitotoxicity plays a significant role in the neurotoxic action of a number of metals, including aluminum. Recently, researchers have found that while most of the chronic neurodegenerative effects of these metals are secondary to prolonged inflammation, it is the enhancement of excitotoxicity by the immune mediators that is responsible for most of the metalâ € ™ s toxicity. This enhancement occurs via a crosstalk between cytokine receptors and glutamate receptors. The author coined the name immunoexcitotoxicity to describe this process. This paper reviews the evidence linking immunoexcitotoxicity to aluminums neurotoxic effects.

    http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Aluminum-Blaylock.pdf

    Journal of American Nutraceutical Association 6: 21-35, 2003.

    Interaction of Cytokines, Excitotoxins, and Reactive Nitrogen and Oxygen Species in Autism Spectrum Disorders, Russell Blaylock, MD* Medical Director, Advanced Nutritional Concepts Ridgeland, Mississippi

    ABSTRACT

    There is growing and compelling evidence that excessive peripheral as well as central immune activation of brain microglia can result in alterations in brain growth and connectivity during rapid brain growth, the so-called “brain growth spurt.” A considerable amount of evidence, presented in this paper, demonstrates the deleterious effects of immune factors, such as cytokines, chemokines, and excitotoxins, when present in excess. The interaction between excitotoxicity, ROS and RNS injury and immune dysfunction is discussed. It is concluded that excessive activation of the brain’s immune system during critical growth periods can occur when vaccines are given as combination vaccines, using schedules that are too close together or by the use of certain live viruses in the vaccines.

    http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=1084

    J Inorg Biochem. 2001 Nov;87(1-2):63-9.
    Aluminium impairs the glutamate-nitric oxide-cGMP pathway in cultured neurons and in rat brain in vivo: molecular mechanisms and implications for neuropathology.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11709215

    Front Neurol. 2015; 6: 4.
    Published online 2015 Feb 5.
    Biopersistence and Brain Translocation of Aluminum Adjuvants of Vaccines
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318414/

    Slow CCL2-dependent translocation of biopersistent particles from muscle to brain
    http://vaccinepapers.org/wp-content/uploads/slow-ccl2-dependent-translocation-of-biopersistent-particles-from-muscle-to-brain.pdf

    A formula for disaster: When vaccine ingredients cross the blood brain barrier
    http://www.sott.net/article/309406-A-formula-for-disaster-When-vaccine-ingredients-cross-the-blood-brain-barrier

    Title: Spontaneous Integration of Human DNA Fragments into Host Genome
    K. Koyama, T. A. Deisher
    Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute, Seattle, WA

    Conclusion:

    Not only damaged human cells, but also healthy human cells can take up foreign DNA spontaneously. Foreign human DNA taken up by human cells will be transported into nuclei and be integrated into host genome, which will cause phenotype change. Hence, residual human fetal DNA fragments in vaccine can be one of causes of autism spectrum disorder in children through vaccination. Vaccine must be safe without any human DNA contaminations or reactivated viruses, and must be produced in ethically approved manufacturing processes.

    http://s3.amazonaws.com/soundchoice/soundchoice/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/DNA_Contaminants_in_Vaccines_Can_Integrate_Into_Childrens_Genes.pdf

    Impact of environmental factors on the prevalence of autistic disorder after 1979. Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology – September 2014
    http://www.ms.academicjournals.org/article/article1409245960_Deisher%20et%20al.pdf

    Computational Detection of Homologous Recombination Hotspots in X-Chromosome Autism Associated Genes
    http://cogforlife.org/SCPIIMFARHR.pdf

  • My responses have all done that, but your problem is that you have directly ignored all the answers. And how do you expect to never get any insults when the more you paid off shills have come in here one by one on these articles, the more in denial sick and insane you have become?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I gave you a condition: “Your responses can not contain one insult of any kind and must respond with specific details to a specific point of mine.” – Agree and it’s on.

  • And you continue to refuse to educate yourself to the truth. You deny the truths and information that directly point to why the past 100 years of big pharma mislead medical treatment of human beings, has largely all been based on a false foundation of (for profit) understanding.

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    My responses have all done that,

    Nope. Not one. You just pretend to have done so. In fact your response above ALSO qualifies You could have pointed out precisely where you responded to a specific point.

    And how do you expect to never get any insults

    Your posts are mostly insults. So either agree or come back when you grow up. :-)

  • That is to assume that vaccines are and were responsible, and they largely are not.

    That CDC article does not provide anything in regard to estimated duration of so called vaccine derived protection.

    What do you not get about the fact that if the rubella vaccine was protecting the population, that it would have to be from a vaccine that gives lifetime immunity, and it obviously does not. Millions remain having never been re-vaccinated after childhood; how are those people being protected when you can see that at the best estimate the vaccine is said effective at best, 15-20 years. An estimate that as well has likely been very overstated. Vaccines are the largest fraud ever perpetrated on humanity

  • Sonja Henie

    Document a case of this happening. Pregnancy in the mother is not a contraindication for rubella vaccine.

  • I was at the very beginning copying and pasting your reply paragraphs, and responding to each claim directly that made. However from that point on there has been nothing of substance from you to even reply to. Nothing but what i have replied to with the references that I just have.

    The problem is that when I copy and paste your claims and point out precisely where I am responded to a specific point; what you immediately do in return is to do the same thing. The problem with that is after a response or two back in forth, you simply start taking bits and pieces from my replies and thus in taking them out of context, you create a situation where any readers are going to get lost in your attempted chaos and the entire reply argument gets lost in jumbled mess that you intentionally created. So that effort is essentially found to be useless, and when you attempt to do the same thing.

  • And in your hypocrisy you demand no insults and while at the same time you are insulting me. Look, you do not set the ground rules for anything at all here. Common sense should tell what you should have and should be responding to, and you have not. The sick game you have going on really tops them all.

    You stated: Jonathan Graham Lowell Hubbs • 21 hours ago
    I have read all of those studies

    [Then stop cowering like a child and lets discuss one. :-) ]

    Let me ask you this, what is it about any of those studies that you do not understand? I can help you comprehend what you fail to understand; so pick a study and get started.

  • All that is is just more sick and crazy denial; just admit it. As well, that is not how reply posting works here, and nor on any other article. You don’t set your crazed ground rules and just demand anything as in denial crazed as you just have. I am not about go back and collect all your replies and respond to them again. You have wasted far more than enough of my time already, and with your brand of sickness.

  • Tell me this; if an infant with CRS can continue to shed the rubella pathogen for 1 year or more; what makes you think that a live vaccine containing rubella, is not as well causing a risk of shedding the rubella virus to people who are unvaccinated, and/or their childhood rubella vaccine is no longer protecting them as an adult? Is an attenuated/live vaccine guaranteed to never cause shedding? If so, where has that been studied and documented?

    Prevent Transmission from Infants with CRS

    Cases of U.S.-acquired rubella have occurred among susceptible persons providing care for infants with CRS.[14] Because infants can shed the virus for prolonged periods, (up to 1 year of age or longer) infants with CRS should be considered infectious until they are at least 1 year old or until two cultures of clinical specimens obtained one month apart after the infant is older than three months of age are negative for rubella virus. Infants with CRS should be placed in contact isolation during any hospital admission before age one year or until the infant is no longer considered infectious. In addition, health officials should consider excluding infants with CRS from child care facilities until he or she is no longer considered infectious. Persons having contact with infants with CRS should have documented evidence of immunity to rubella (see Chapter 14, “Rubella”) and caregivers of infants with CRS should be aware of the potential hazard of the infants to susceptible pregnant contacts.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt15-crs.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    I was at the very beginning copying and pasting your reply paragraphs, and responding to each claim directly that made.

    With words like this: “What a load of completely in denial garbage. You can not actually in any honesty be that beyond ignorant, and in denial; or can you?”

    That’s not responding to a specific claim. Try it sometime. :-)

  • Sonja Henie

    Well, for one thing, CRS is full-fledged rubella disease. The vaccine has a much weakened strain of rubella virus.

    That susceptible persons have caught rubella by caring for an infant with CRS is irrelevant.

    See this: http://pediatrics.about.com/od/immunizations/a/live-vaccines.htm
    “the MMR vaccine doesn’t cause shedding, except that the rubella part of the vaccine may rarely shed into breastmilk (since rubella is typically a mild infection in children, this isn’t a reason to not be vaccinated if you are breastfeeding though).

    I could not find anything doing a Google search. What I did find is that no infant has ever gotten CRS even when the mother has received the vaccine during pregnancy.

  • You previously had a full three paragraph reply to that now reworded question that was in the previously worded form of a claim; and it was not termed and worded as to the subject matter, in the same way as you have here. I told you at that time to as well provide evidence for your claim, and which you did not do.

    Now, as to your current so called question. Why do you ask such a dumb and pointless question? Of course a child having been injected with a minute amount of vaccine is going to have far less potential harm happening than a child who has received the entire CDC vaccine schedule. And your point is? Such a stupid question makes me afraid? Of what? Maybe you should change your character name to, Mr Crazy Pants?

  • Jonathan Graham

    And in your hypocrisy you demand no insults and while at the same time you are insulting me.

    Sorry. Not true. How many pages of your insults shall I copy/paste into the next response?

    you do not set the ground rules for anything at all here

    Actually I do. You made a demand. I told you the circumstances of having a conversation. You must respond not just to a specific part of my post but with a specific response. None of: “Wow are you ever mislead, entirely brainwashed, and delusional” or “What a load of completely in denial garbage. You can not actually in any honesty be that beyond ignorant, and in denial; or can you?” or “And so what is actually wrong with you, anyway? To much vaccine truth for your brain to process?” or “See if you can actually form a humanly intelligible reply comment, next time?” or “And bring all of your pink jersey wearing bi and gay vaccine shilling friends with you to ring side to witness the outcome.” or “Anyone that promotes that much vaccine destruction and living hell against your fellow humanity can be fit to go on only one place. ” or “You make for a good liar” or “your complete bullshit top to bottom obviously will never fly” or ” No one is that stupid.” or “Get some help with your obsessions with lying” or “Was that in your vaccine shilling job description, must have an obsession with lying continually?” or “And you are obviously so full of lying and uninformed BS that it is literally running out of your ears” or “Is the first job description requirement of a being vaccine trolling shill, to be a complete hypocrite?” or “no matter how you try to twist it and BS your way through it.” or ” based on your near to unintelligible and incompetent stupidity” or “Furthermore you have remaining nothing but pointless and mindless nonsense in that said reply.” or “So what are you actually smoking and or drinking that your reading comprehension ability is that bad?” or “You as well yet can not even form an intelligible reply post,” or “Wow, they are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel in the hiring vaccine shills, these days” or “These people could not even pass as much as a third grade reading comprehension test, I swear” or “Oh, and here again this beyond stupid and mindless arse hole has put forth another entirely mindless reply post.” or “You are nothing but a fraud that will lie about anything that is put in front of you”….

    And those are just the insulting ones I haven’t even got to the places where you made just vague claims to victory or refuting. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Just more insults. Anytime you want to cite and make a proper point feel free.

  • That is why your shilling employer has hired you; the reality of the vaccine injury and death harm being done must be attempted to do some damage control on it. If the population as well knew the real history as to vaccine ineffectiveness and unproven effectiveness, they the pro-vaccine side would as well be finished.

  • Your claims have all been more than responded to, so just face it and quit playing games.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well it took you a paragraph and a half. To say “yes” or “no”…

    Of course a child having been injected with a minute amount of vaccine is going to have far less potential harm happening than a child who has received the entire CDC vaccine schedule. And your point is?

    Then clearly comparing a population of .000000000000000000000000001% of a flu vaccine vs. a population of fully vaccinated children gives you useful information as to the potential harm of being fully vaccinated. Right?

    Such a stupid question makes me afraid?

    You kept trying to find excuses not to answer it that’s for sure.

  • Jonathan Graham

    And that’s a perfect example. Instead of making a specific quote demonstrating your point. You just make a broad assertion that something has happened. Thanks for demonstrating my point – yet again. Your next post probably will too. :-)

  • Places like Pediatrics and the corrupt CDC simply stating that shedding would be rare, is not any assurance that it is rare. They as well offer zero reference studies on the issue, whatsoever.

    Can People Receiving Live Virus Vaccines Transmit Vaccine

    Strain Virus to Others?

    Public health officials say that unvaccinated children pose a big danger to those around them and even threaten the health of fully vaccinated children and adults because vaccines can fail to prevent infection in vaccinated persons.1 Today, the most common argument used to justify “no exceptions” mandatory vaccination laws is that unvaccinated people pose a serious health threat to others who “cannot be vaccinated,” such as the immunocompromised.2

    Some parents of unvaccinated children are asking the opposite question: Could my unvaccinated or immune compromised child get sick from coming in contact with a recently vaccinated person? When it comes to live virus vaccines, the short answer is: Yes.

    During a viral infection, live virus is shed in the body fluids of those who are infected for varying amounts of time and can be transmitted to others. 3 4 5 Vaccine strain live virus is also shed for varying amounts of time in the body fluids of vaccinated people and can be transmitted to others. 6 7 8

    Although public health officials maintain that live attenuated virus vaccines rarely cause complications in the vaccinated person and that vaccine strain viral shedding rarely causes disease in close contacts of the recently vaccinated, it is important to be aware that vaccine strain live virus infection can sometimes cause serious complications in vaccinated persons and vaccine strain live viruses can be shed and transmitted to others with serious or even fatal consequences.

    Read more below:

    The Emerging Risks of Live Virus &
    Virus Vectored Vaccines:
    Vaccine Strain Virus Infection, Shedding & Transmission
    http://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/Live-Virus-Vaccines-and-Vaccine-Shedding.pdf

    Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease

    A statement on the website of St. Jude’s Hospital warns parents not to allow people to visit children undergoing cancer treatment if they have received oral polio or smallpox vaccines within four weeks, have received the nasal flu vaccine within one week, or have rashes after receiving the chickenpox vaccine or MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine.2

    “The public health community is blaming unvaccinated children for the outbreak of measles at Disneyland, but the illnesses could just as easily have occurred due to contact with a recently vaccinated individual,” says Sally Fallon Morell, president of the Weston A. Price Foundation. The Foundation promotes a healthy diet, non-toxic lifestyle and freedom of medical choice for parents and their children. “Evidence indicates that recently vaccinated individuals should be quarantined in order to protect the public.”

    Scientific evidence demonstrates that individuals vaccinated with live virus vaccines such as MMR (measles, mumps and rubella), rotavirus, chicken pox, shingles and influenza can shed the virus for many weeks or months afterwards and infect the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.11.12

    Furthermore, vaccine recipients can carry diseases in the back of their throat and infect others while displaying no symptoms of a disease.13,14,15

    Read more:
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/03/03/712042/10123084/en/Public-Health-Officials-Know-Recently-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html

    The truth about the measles, natural immunity, and the vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-truth-about-the-measles-natural-immunity-and-the-vaccine.html

    Does that answer your question as to what I think as to vaccine shedding?

  • Sonja Henie

    Yes, and it tells me you’re wrong. There are 2-3 CRS cases a year in the US. Prior to the vaccine, 70. What does that tell you? I know, the stats are wrong! Well, they’re not.

  • Go back and actually read the replies to the replies and to the posts you have made. As I said, just quit playing your in denial games.

  • What the hell is wrong with your obviously sick mind anyway? And you just answer the question, and which is the point and relevance to your post is and was what? The truth is that there was no point and nor relevance to your reply post. And you expect a person to continue to waste their time with that?

  • Not true, you haven’t made any insults? Wow are you a sick one, absolutely SICK and twisted. Go ahead and add that one as well. Is there a contest going on in the shilliversity, and within your shilling cubicles for the grand prize of sick and twisted vaccine trolling shill of the year? I think you have the lead.

    Get it straight, Mr Crazy Pants, you do not direct anything here, and you do not set the ground rules of any debate or conversation, and nor will you ever.

  • Thomas Johnson

    After you.

  • My reference material in the above reply is not even talking about the issue of CRS. It references vaccine shedding in general. The initial material regarding CRS was only to make the point that CRS cases can shed the virus for a year or more. The point being made that it is unlikely that the live rubella vaccine being a live vaccine, can be assured to not cause any shedding. Pediatrics and the CDC and with their vested interests would never admit to any findings that any vaccine has shed. Such sources are only watch dogs in the control of the information.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Some find out hours before vaccination.

  • Thomas Johnson

    So you don’t know what a straw man argument is and you want to get baby killers out of prison.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again…just a broad claim. :-)

  • Thomas Johnson

    The other AD was real.

  • Thomas Johnson

    ” Were you the said impersonator?”
    You should know. You track people’s IP addresses.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Do I have to ask this question four or more times too? Here it is again:

    Then clearly comparing a population of .000000000000000000000000001% of a flu vaccine vs. a population of fully vaccinated children gives you useful information as to the potential harm of being fully vaccinated. Right?

  • Jonathan Graham

    you do not set the ground rules of any debate or conversation, and nor will you ever.

    Obviously I do. If it’s too hard for you to talk without insulting I’ll let you bow out gracefully.

  • Thomas Johnson

    I’m just saying Lowell, you never know when you’re gonna get hit by a bus or something. Then it’s too late.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Well it’s not a straw man because you really believe it. To normal people it would be an ad hominem but I’m not sure it is in your case.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Like I said.

  • Thomas Johnson

    It’s because there’s virtually no rubella left in America because of widespread vaccination, Lowell. But I’m curious why YOU think we don’t see it anymore.

  • Thomas Johnson

    If you had proof I was paid you’d have posted it.

  • Sonja Henie

    You’ve just shown you understand little to nothing about vaccines. If rubella vaccine was shedding significantly, we’d see more than 2-3 cases of CRS a year.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    He told me that smallpox just went away by itself, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he came up with something equally nuts for rubella.

  • Why is your narrow focus demanding to continue to only focus on CRS? You continue to as well ignore the other references I put in front of you. There are multiple supporting references as well in that article information.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    It’s 2016, dude. Calling someone bi or gay isn’t much of an insult anymore.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Stop shilling for criminals who shake their babies!

  • I would be curious why you think it would be possible for millions of adults to have zero immunity remaining from their childhood rubella vaccination, (duration estimated to last 15-20 years), and yet you would claim that there is existing vaccine derived herd immunity, and that the population is protected. Does vaccine derived herd immunity only involve a necessity of vaccinating school children? This is the same concept I would call to your attention in regard to all vaccines. That in and as to the claim that vaccines have been effective, and thus the cause of eradication of illnesses. If the vaccines were responsible for eradication, then unvaccinated adults who have lost their so called vaccine derived immunity, would again be getting the so called VPD’s. They aren’t. Can YOU explain that?

  • So just admit that you can not face it and nor answer to the information in front of you that specifically outlines why Pasteur’s germ theory and as he understood it, was wrong and incomplete.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Bechamp was demonstrated to be wrong about germ theory more than 100 years ago. It’s time to move on. Praise him for his great work as a chemist.

  • It is both, and because you failed to respond to the actual reply post made, and its subject matter. Instead you simply presented with what actually amounts to a false personal attack. Just admit it.

  • You are not saying anything at all but a load and a bunch of false stupid. Perhaps you fear death, but I do not and never will. Who do you serve, and who’s work do you actually do, so called Thomas?

    God Does Not Support Vaccines, (a more than sufficient reasoning document for a religious exemption)
    http://www.livingwhole.org/god-does-not-support-vaccines/

  • You can just stop with all your stupidity. You control nothing, and so just get over it. Your replies have been more than adequately responded to, and any claim that they were not is just simply your form of continued harassment.

  • My above reply already responded with this, and still that is not good enough for you? And then you just tweak and change the wording of the same question and ask it again in a different way. It has become quite clear that the only game going here with you, is further attempted pointless harassment, and nothing more

    Of course a child having been injected with a minute amount of vaccine is going to have far less potential harm happening than a child who has received the entire CDC vaccine schedule. And your point is?

    That would be the basis of a vaccinated verses unvaccinated health outcome study, that is right, and such a study would give you useful information. Unvaccinated, means entirely unvaccinated. There would be no point to having or using a control group with those individuals having been injected with 0000000000000000000001% of a flu vaccine. And again, your point is?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Like I said, if what I’m asking is beyond your abilities. I’ll allow you to bow out.

  • Not true, and I never have. And so you are going to fail to answer the question.

  • Liar. So were you the fake impersonator? Yes or no?

  • What you have going on here is nothing but a broad form of only more attempted harassment. You as well said that you were going to address and discuss the studies. Then why have you continued to ignore the list that I put in front of you?

  • Jonathan Graham

    My above reply already responded with this, and still that is not good enough for you?

    I’m asking something specific. You are not responding with enough specificity. That’s it.

    That would be the basis of a vaccinated verses unvaccinated health outcome study

    Well the person with the .000000000001% isn’t technically unvaccinated and an awful lot of people here appear to consider that distinction meaningful. FYI it’s “versus”

    There would be no point to having or using a control group with those individuals having been injected with 0000000000000000000001% of a flu vaccine.

    ….and how about those with 10% of a flu vaccine?…or 40%?

  • Thomas Johnson

    As I just said there’s virtually no rubella left in America to infect people whose immunity may have waned. Again, if it’s not from vaccines what’s YOUR explanation?

  • Thomas Johnson

    Where are Bechamp’s microzymes, Lowell? Oh wait – they don’t exist.

  • I certainly do, and all your denial changes nothing. Do you understand what cognitive dissonance is?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

    Obviously you do not review all of the information that exists in regard to the evidence that many parents have been falsely accused. So you support the wrongful imprisonment of parents and caregivers, when it was vaccines as the actual cause. Just because of a refusal to admit any harm done by vaccines. How cold hearted, is that.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Are you retracting your previous assertion Morgellons is caused by alien fibers sprayed by chemtrails?

  • Thomas Johnson

    It’s your soul, Lowell.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Lies come easily to you, Lowell.

  • Jonathan Graham

    why have you continued to ignore the list that I put in front of you?

    “Ignore” means that I haven’t paid any attention to it at all. In fact I have paid sufficient attention to it to talk about it several times – specifically the conditions that I am willing to discuss them further under. You claim that you can respond specifically to specific points – I’m doubtful but I’m willing to see if you can. The next bit requires you to not use a single insult. If you can not – you can bow out gracefully.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You tell me. You track people’s IP addresses.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Anything to get more kids sick or dead – it’s what you do.

  • I said it has been claimed that Morgellons is caused by chemtrails, and that unidentifiable fibers have been found in the sores produced by Morgellons. You also were at the time, and on an earlier article given reference material on that, and of course which you rejected without any consideration. Are you also to blind ignorant to realize that chemtrails are not normal clouds, and nor normal dissipation of vapor behind an aircraft?

    CHEMTRAILS DOCUMENTARY– Facts and Proof —What Are ChemTrails? Do YOU care?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcBPurTip5M&ebc=ANyPxKqvhQyun5r3h-NOZWfYs9PrZ9b872FZqdwm2nQ-2giAy0XWGxkQOQ9HBA2ZK_VCQGcWTtQ1RNHEwTQWH75SSwDsVlvIqQ

    U.S. SENATE REPORTS CHEMTRAILS ARE REAL AND ARE KILLING US!
    http://prepareforchange.net/2016/02/19/u-s-senate-reports-chemtrails-are-real-and-are-killing-us/

  • There are thousands of children sick and numerous infants dead because of vaccines. You deny it all. Vaccines are the largest fraud ever perpetrated on humanity.

  • So all you have is false discreditation to throw at it, and no personal analysis and nor any other study analysis to address and nor to refute the study. As I said, you are just playing sick games and wasting my time. Get started on the rest of those studies, genius. You are just making false excuses.

  • In your sick mind and world they do. I am actually entirely honest in every reply I make, and you can just face it.

  • Really, and what about your miserable excuse for a soul?

    And again you can respond to nothing I just put in front of but to make for more false mockery.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So all you have is false discreditation to throw at it,

    Sorry if you wish to discuss this article you have to agree to the “no insults” stipulation. Again if this is beyond your ability. There’s no shame in knowing your limitations. Feel free to bow out.

  • The real focus is not on microzymes. Did you expect Bechamp to have taken high quality pictures and have it published in a big pharma journal? Everything on that page shows you directly why Pasteur’s understanding of the germ theory was majorly incomplete. That as well is largely in the bigger picture why so called modern medicine remains so failed. What have they actually cured and with a real cure, and that directly addressed the real causation?

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    No longer endemic means no more congenital rubella syndrome.

    See
    One dose of vaccine produces a seroconversion rate of about 95 percent [23]. The durability of antibodies produced by the vaccine and by naturally acquired infection is comparable. Titers of antibody induced by vaccine tend to be lower than those produced by natural infection, but are protective against infection. At up to date

  • Then quit vaccinating if that is the alleged case. You simply can not use the same argument for every so called VPD out there. And if the vaccines work so well then why have not pertussis and measles been eradicated? If if had been left to natural immunity, likely by now they would be. Vaccines are only hindering that process to a point that eradication may now never be possible.

    Diseases can run and go in cycles and disappear, and or may reappear later, but most often do not.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Should inadvertent vaccine administration occur during pregnancy, therapeutic abortion is not recommended [23]. A small percent of fetuses may be infected but congenital defects have not been shown to occur [23,37].

    American Academy of Pediatrics. Rubella. In: Red Book: 2015 Report of the Committee on Infectious Diseases, 30th, Kimberlin DW, Brady MT, Jackson MA, Long SS (Eds), American Academy of Pediatrics, Elk Grove Village, IL 2015. p.688.

    no abstract available
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    Measles, mumps, and rubella–vaccine use and strategies for elimination of measles, rubella, and congenital rubella syndrome and control of mumps: recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP).
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    Watson JC, Hadler SC, Dykewicz CA, Reef S, Phillips L
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    MMWR Recomm Rep. 1998;47(RR-8):1.

    In other words the vaccine is much safer than the wild disease.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Lowell, on the 12/20/2015 Vactruth article, to prove you weren’t a conspiracy theorist for believing in chemtrails, you posted this:

    http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2015/11/07/morgellons-disease-self-replicating-alien-fibers-sprayed-with-chemtrails/

    You actually did that. I’m still chuckling.

  • Thomas Johnson

    So where are all those thousands?

  • Thomas Johnson

    Another lie.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    American Academy of Pediatrics. Rubella. In: Red Book: 2015 Report of the Committee on Infectious Diseases, 30th, Kimberlin DW, Brady MT, Jackson MA, Long SS (Eds), American Academy of Pediatrics, Elk Grove Village, IL 2015. p.688.

    no abstract available
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    Measles, mumps, and rubella–vaccine use and strategies for elimination of measles, rubella, and congenital rubella syndrome and control of mumps: recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP).
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    Watson JC, Hadler SC, Dykewicz CA, Reef S, Phillips L
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    MMWR Recomm Rep. 1998;47(RR-8):1.

    Should inadvertent vaccine administration occur during pregnancy, therapeutic abortion is not recommended [23]. A small percent of fetuses may be infected but congenital defects have not been shown to occur [23,37].

    Again the incidence rate for crs in the Americas is less than 10 per year. Vaccination is a bargain as a strategy for primary prevention of congenital rubella syndrome.

  • And just look at the level of your twisted insanity and your complete madness, continue.

    .[and how about those with 10% of a flu vaccine?…or 40%?]

    What kind of an entirely idiotic question is that? Again, you do not need to be concerned with, and you are not going to have a group with 10% or 40%, because sufficient groups of entirely un-vaccinated already exist. And as for the vaccinated group what do you yet not comprehend about the term fully vaccinated on schedule, and by age group?

  • Thomas Johnson

    Just think about it, Lowell. There’s probably still time.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    F- grade evidence…..

  • You bowed yourself out already, and by your own choice and continued false excuses.

  • Thomas Johnson

    So you don’t believe in Bechamp’s microzymes?

  • Really? And by whom was that, David Gorski, the well-known online character assassin, masquerading as a science defender?

  • Thomas Johnson

    Well, see Lowell, just like with polio if we stop vaccinating and someone brings it in from another country we’d be back to square one. We have to keep at it until we’re sure it’s gone, just like we did with smallpox.

  • Review the evidence I have provided you, it is the vaccines. The physiological explanations are now and the forensic science as well there to show what is really happening. No one is supporting any form of child abuse. The real abusers are the mislead multiple vaccine providers.

  • Not an insult, just the truth.

  • Again, polio vaccine did not eradicate polio, and small pox vaccine did not eradicate small pox. You choose to continue on in your delusions.

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, you do not need to be concerned with

    That’s not the question. The question is does a test between the fully vaccinated against a 10% or 40% vaccine yield useful results regarding potential harm.

  • I did not say that, but in the over-all understanding of the germ theory that is not and far from the central and needed focus. In endless months now you have simply refused to get it and obviously you never will.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You are welcome to discuss this article but you have to refrain from insults and to answer specifics. That is the only thing that makes me unwilling to discuss this with you. I have plenty of these conversations with people almost every day. It’s the way most people I know in person communicate. If this isn’t you – again no shame – but you will have to bow out. :-)

  • Really? Translation, you entirely ignored the referenced information I provided, and now attempt to substitute that with a study from the corrupt organization known as the AAP. A study that as well has zero information about the actual study of vaccine shedding, and which was the subject matter which was being addressed here.

  • Iv’e done my needed research and I will never back down from presenting with the vaccine truth. Why would I want to be like you and just remain in denial and tell lies all day and night on the internet?

  • Really, and while you simply continue to slander me. I have no reason to lie, because the real truth is on my side, and unlike you.

  • And if YOU have not met them, of course in your mind they do not exist?

    Here is just a few of them.

    Introduction to HTW: Hear This Well
    http://www.hearthiswell.org/

    Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw/videos

    Parents Voice: Children’s Adverse Outcomes Following Vaccination
    http://www.followingvaccinations.com/

    Vaccine Memorial Page: Remembering those lost forever
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/VaccineMemorialPage/1578798415710259/?notif_t=group_activity

    VACCINE CHOICE PRAYER COMMUNITY, (this is where the rubber meets the road so to speak in our vaccine truth efforts, whoaa …what a page).

    Below are just some of the countless children who have died following vaccine injury. Please take a moment to light a candle or offer a prayer for them and for their families. More stories at Families Speak, Meet the Children, International Memorial for Vaccine Victims and My Gardasil Story.

    http://www.vaccinechoiceprayercommunity.org/we-remember.html

    Vaccine Injury Stories
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/VaccineInjuryStories/

    Parents’ Voice: Thousands of short stories of how the vaccines injured their child
    http://vaccineliberationarmy.com/2015/07/21/parents-voice-thousands-of-short-stories-of-how-the-vaccines-injured-their-child/

  • Thomas Johnson

    You can’t be expected to understand when you don’t comprehend germ theory. It’s a catch-22.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Well since he believed germs developed from microzymes they’re pretty important to his theory. And since they don’t exist his theory is pretty much shot to hell.

  • And so what. The reality of that is nothing to chuckle about. So you are chucking about people with a serious illness known as Morgellons. What else is new, and just like you chuckle about infants that are vaccine injured, but you must simply deny it.

  • You responded and I returned a response and in which you failed to answer to. Just quit making excuses for the fact you clearly can not in any honesty directly address those studies, and as you said you would do. You can end your pathetic waste of my time, or you can bow out.

  • Thomas Johnson

    But you can’t know vaccine truth when you deny germ theory. If you stay on this path you’re gonna end up in hell for sure, Lowell. And like you said they don’t have water there.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Lying is a sin, Lowell.

  • They do exist and simply because so called big pharma mislead medicine has not ever caught up with the times and realized that, does not make it any less real.

  • Fail number 567. You refuse to understand it, and correctly. Of course with that understanding everything big pharma is founded and based on largely becomes in error.

  • Thomas Johnson

    C’mon Lowell testimonials aren’t going to cut it. Where are they?

  • That is just another load of BS. You fail to discuss it in any honesty what has been reply posted here, simply and obviously because you can not. You insult as well and at the same time calling for no insults. That is called hypocrisy. Like I told you, you will never control anything at all as to what is reply posted here, and nor as to where.

  • Thomas Johnson

    So you actually believe that kind of nonsense. That’s my point.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Well what proof can you provide they exist?

  • Quit butchering my replies and so that nothing can be put in its original context. Your question remains to be entirely pointless and irrelevant. There could be useful information as to health outcomes derived from it, but again there is no need of that kind of comparison, when there exist entirely unvaccinated individuals.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Where are Bechamp’s microzymes, Lowell?

  • Read the information. You know that you have and will deny any existing information as evidence, and no matter what. And you always have and you will continue to.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

  • Thomas Johnson

    So the answer is none.

  • You can deny it and continue to live in your delusions all you want. That’s my point.

  • In fact they do cut it, and your denial of the children being vaccine injured is nothing but sick and pure evil.

  • Then why don’t you stop doing it?

  • Blaa Blaaa blaa. Such a sick and twisted man.

  • Your answer is none, and because you refuse the information.

  • There in your coffee, have you looked?

  • VACCINE WHISTLEBLOWER BOOK EXPOSES 32 YEARS OF CDC’S SCIENCE FRAUD

    In August 2014, it was revealed that senior Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) scientist William Thompson had been having numerous conversations with vaccine critic Brian Hooker in which Thompson noted that the data from one of his studies had been massaged prior to publication in order to conceal a link between the MMR vaccine and autism in black boys.

    In a new book, Vaccine Whistleblower: Exposing the Autism Research Fraud at the CDC, attorney Kevin Barry examines the content of ten months worth of conversations between Thompson and Hooker, which were recorded prior to September 2014.

    Hooker is a bioengineer and a professor of biology and chemistry at Simpson University. He has spent 12 years using Freedom of Information Act requests to obtain data on studies the CDC has conducted on a possible link between vaccines and autism, and he has submitted many of his findings to Congress.

    Omitted data shows autism link

    Read more:
    http://personalhealthrecords.in/2016/02/20/vaccine-whistleblower-book-exposes-32-years-of-cdcs-science-fraud/

  • So then as well in regard to lies, is what the CDC did here, a sin? And you support those lies.

    VACCINE WHISTLEBLOWER BOOK EXPOSES 32 YEARS OF CDC’S SCIENCE FRAUD

    In August 2014, it was revealed that senior Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) scientist William Thompson had been having numerous conversations with vaccine critic Brian Hooker in which Thompson noted that the data from one of his studies had been massaged prior to publication in order to conceal a link between the MMR vaccine and autism in black boys.

    In a new book, Vaccine Whistleblower: Exposing the Autism Research Fraud at the CDC, attorney Kevin Barry examines the content of ten months worth of conversations between Thompson and Hooker, which were recorded prior to September 2014.

    Hooker is a bioengineer and a professor of biology and chemistry at Simpson University. He has spent 12 years using Freedom of Information Act requests to obtain data on studies the CDC has conducted on a possible link between vaccines and autism, and he has submitted many of his findings to Congress.

    Omitted data shows autism link

    Read more:
    http://personalhealthrecords.in/2016/02/20/vaccine-whistleblower-book-exposes-32-years-of-cdcs-science-fraud/

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    F- quality of evidence.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Please research and explain the meaning of live attenuated virus.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Absolute bunkum.
    No causal relationship exists between MMR vaccination and autism [41-43], chronic arthritis [44], rheumatologic and other chronic conditions [45], aseptic meningitis [46], cerebellar ataxia, or Crohn’s disease [47].

    MMR: where are we now?
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    Elliman D, Bedford H
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    Arch Dis Child. 2007;92(12):1055.

    AD
    Islington PCT and Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children, Great Ormond Street, London, UK. [email protected]
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    Vaccines and autism: a tale of shifting hypotheses.
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    Gerber JS, Offit PA
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    Clin Infect Dis. 2009;48(4):456.

    Lack of association between measles-mumps-rubella vaccination and autism in children: a case-control study.
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    Mrozek-Budzyn D, Kiełtyka A, Majewska R
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    Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2010;29(5):397.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Morgollons is actually a dam diagnosis called delusional parasitosis.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Anamnestic immunity.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Antigens are not vaccines…….

    Today’s vaccines have fewer antigens than those in common use in 1985.

    See up to date

    Evidence of adverse effects related to exposure to multiple antigens is lacking. In a cohort of 1047 children who were exposed to an average of >10,000 antigens by age 24 months (predominantly through whole cell pertussis vaccine), there was no association between increasing antigen exposure and adverse neuropsychologic outcomes (eg, general intellectual function, speech and language, verbal memory, attention and executive function, tics, achievement, visual spatial ability, and behavior regulation)

    Number of antigens in early childhood vaccines and neuropsychological outcomes at age 7-10 years.
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    Iqbal S, Barile JP, Thompson WW, DeStefano F
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    Pharmacoepidemiol Drug Saf. 2013;22(12):1263.

  • sabelmouse

    really?

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Gorski’s parents weren’t even alive back then, so unless he traveled back in time, it was the work of other scientists that showed Pasteur to be right.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Vaccines cause bruising and broken bones? Total BS.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You have no credibility.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You’re just spreading dangerous lies.

  • Thomas Johnson

    And anti-vaxxer lies can be very dangerous to kids, Lowell. Have you no conscience?

  • Thomas Johnson

    You need to repent.

  • Thomas Johnson

    So even though the long-debunked alternative “germ theory” you claim to believe in is demonstrably false you’ll continue to say it’s true to promote your dangerous anti-vax conspiracy theories.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Where are they, Lowell?

  • Thomas Johnson

    The whole Thompson whistleblower story turned out to be baseless, Lowell. The paper Hooker and he wrote about it was retracted.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You responded and I returned a response and in which you failed to answer to

    I made an offhand comment about a study I’d like to discuss. When you took the bait. I reminded you that you need to agree to the “no insult” rule before we discuss anything. :-)

  • Thomas Johnson

    Hooker’s reanalysis was so incompetent it was retracted, though:

    http://translationalneurodegeneration.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2047-9158-3-22

  • Jonathan Graham

    That is just another load of BS

    No and the easy way to prove it is to agree to the “no insult” rule. Then when I can’t discuss this article it is plain that I have lied. You know this of course so I rather suspect again that you’re kind of afraid of the outcome that I do know that study far, far, far better than you. Again, it’s a simple rule – people all over the country manage for months at a time. If it is beyond you then they’re no shame – we all have the things we struggle with.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Quit butchering my replies and so that nothing can be put in its original context.

    I’m not but you need to be more clear and to the point.

    There could be useful information as to health outcomes derived from it

    *could* – I can see that you’re already trying to weasel out. In what sense “couldn’t” there be useful results regarding harm. Give any causes that would occur more than 10% of the time and would have significant enough bias as to render the findings useless.

  • Sonja Henie

    In other words, autism may be a VPD!

  • Sonja Henie

    No booster for polio is recommended after age 5. Polio is not circulating in the US. There’s your answer for polio.

    Many vaccines such as measles give long-term immunity.

  • Sonja Henie

    Yes, really.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Absolutely no biological plausibility for the claim of vaccination causing traumatic brain injury and broken bones.

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    It gets even more … interesting… than that.

    You know what one of the things that led to cases like Roe vs Wade being successful was? The Rubella epidemic around that time.

    Why? Because it allowed people who otherwise wouldn’t support abortion to feel that they weren’t advocating killing babies but rather that they were assisting women in being able to ensure they gave birth to healthy babies who would then take less of a ‘share’ of attention away from the older siblings.

    So they could feel free to support abortion with a clear conscience because it was about family values and not about killing babies.

  • Sonja Henie

    Well, Roe v Wade was decided about 8 years after the big rubella epidemic. But government does move slowly and it would have been fresh in people’s minds.

  • Sonja Henie

    Agreed.

  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    Yeah. Cases *like* Roe vs Wade.

    But yes…you’re right…government moves slowly and it would have been still fairly fresh in people’s minds.

  • AutismDadd

    what if she crossed the street and was hit by a car? OMG stop traffic because there are pregnant women in the world!!!

  • AutismDadd

    Adverse effects fool. nice job ignoring vaccine negative responses.

  • AutismDadd

    KATIA’s new allias. Still a troll though.

  • AutismDadd

    its all he and the others have. Blind faith, heavy on the blind. Anything that promotes vaccination is accepted without question, let alone thought. The brain washing has worked on this crew, to perfection.

  • AutismDadd

    A real pos that is.

  • AutismDadd

    Childish. That’s your strength.

  • AutismDadd

    Ha shows you’d follow just like you blindly follow directives from troll central.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    No one denies that there are vaccine-injured children. It’s just that their numbers are very small.

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    Ooh! Another Gish Gallop! I’ll take the last point first. It has been pointed out to you repeatedly that vaccine shedding is not a problem. The number of chickenpox cases that have resulted from shedding can be counted on one hand.

    “God bless natural immunity”

    You mean natural immunity like this?

    “During the night, Lucien would cough until he barfed up mucus, proceeded by crying and screaming fits. He was genuinely terrified each and every time he woke from sleep without breath. At this point in time my husband, and I were now waking every 30-90 minutes through the night to clean up after or console one of two coughing, puking, screaming children. Let’s be honest, most of this time period I simply fell asleep cuddling them in their beds, waiting for the next coughing fit. This on top of a co-sleeping, nursling who expected me to be near her at all times. She often woke up to the sounds of her siblings coughing, puking, screaming, and crying that was happening every night…continuously. And we knew it was just a matter of time before Millie developed this same “thing.” One thing was certain, the situation was going to get worse”

    “It took a good 120-150 days from the start of the coughing for each of them to eliminate the bronchial damage and lung weakness caused by the bacterial infection, Pertussis. We spent hundreds of dollars on natural health products and consultations with various Naturopathic Professionals. It was a living HELL. Every day. It had an intense effect on my marriage and relationship with my husband. It caused me to question everything I knew about Natural Health.”

    Click on this link and magnify to get the whole story:

    https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/heather_dexter_pertussis_whooping_cough1.png

    About 200,000 cases of pertussis per year before vaccines- a “success” for natural immunity. About 40,000 cases now with a weakened version of the vaccine, with milder symptoms for the vaccinated than the unvaccinated – a “failure” for vaccine immunity. That’s the logic of the lunatic anti-vaccine cult!

  • Thomas Johnson

    No but just don’t needlessly let her baby be harmed by a vaccine preventable disease.

  • Thomas Johnson

    1 in a million chance of that at best though.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You’re the fake one.

  • Thomas Johnson

    The point being it hasn’t got anything to do with vaccination.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Didn’t say I’d follow.

  • AutismDadd

    You implied it by saying you first.

  • AutismDadd

    thanks for curing my insomnia..zzzzz

  • AutismDadd

    Supply your source for that number.

  • AutismDadd

    if she drives with her child its more dangerous that many things. remove her driver’s license?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Hooker is a bioengineer and a professor of biology and chemistry at Simpson University.

    Should read: Hooker is a professor of biology and chemistry and should never be allowed to pretend he’s a statistician.

  • Sonja Henie
  • disqus_tlEIT18b4g

    CRS is a known cause of autism.

  • AutismDadd

    Yea so lets inject babies with its live virus. Real smart.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You first and last.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Night night.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You just divide the number of people who won in vaccine court by the total number of vaccines given.

  • Thomas Johnson

    No, just don’t needlessly let her baby be harmed by a vaccine preventable disease.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Omitted data shows autism link

    In the same way that any data which is not corrected for confounders can “show a link”.

  • Sonja Henie

    “Omitted data shows autism link”

    Oh, that’s rich!

  • AutismDadd

    Buh Wah Ha Ha OK Pee Wee

  • AutismDadd

    Typical lying untrustworthy troll

  • Here We Go

    1) According to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), “Doctors underreport adverse vaccine reactions by 90%.”

    [Vaccine injury Compensation: A Failed Experiment in Tort Reform? Statement of the National Vaccine Information Center, Barbara Loe Fisher, Co-Founder & President, Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines, November 18, 2008.]

    2) In Japan, after more than 30 deaths were reported after the DPT vaccine, Japan changed the minimum age requirement of vaccination to two years…Before they followed the schedule in the United States. After the schedule change “crib deaths (SIDs), infantile seizures, meningitis, and other infectious diseases virtually disappeared”. Japan went to the lowest country in the world for infant mortality, after being at number 17! However, two year olds started showing a sharp increase in infectious diseases!
    [ Cherry JD et al. Report of the task force on Pertussis and Pertussis Immunization. Pediatrics. 1988; Supplement:973.]
    3) Deaths for measles, pertussis (whooping cough) and other diseases had dropped by 95-98% by the 1960s before mass vaccination campaigns.
    [Illich I. Chapter 1: The Epidemics of Modern Medicine in Medical Nemesis. NY: Bantam Books 1976.]

    4) Childhood diseases strengthen a child’s immune system.
    ….associated with lower risk of cancer… [Albonico HU, Braker HU, Husler J. Febrile infectious childhood diseases in history of cancer patients and matched controls. Medical Hypotheses. 1998; 51 (4):315-320.]
    [Abel U, Becker N, Angerer R et al. Common infections in the history of cancer patients and controls. J Camcer Res Clin Oncol.]
    …Reduced risk of heart disease…[Pesonen E. “Hygiene Hypothesis” linked to heart disease risk. IV World Congress of Pediatric Cardiology and Cardiac Surgery, September 2005.]

    5) “Pertussis infections are common in IMMUNIZED population…more prevalent than previously documented.” [He Q, Vijanen MK, Arvilommi H et al. Whooping Cough caused by Bordatella pertussi and Bordatella parapertussis in an immunized population. JAMA. 1998;280:635-637.]

    There are many more sources!

  • How rich are you getting from your sick and in denial pro-vaccine trolling and shilling. You people are the most evil and sick lot of sub-humanity to ever to be and live on planet earth Ya think?

  • Where are your scientific studies to prove it; you know vaccinated verses un-vaccinated outcome studies? List every one of them here that you have? Correlation never equals causation when YOU are speaking of vaccine injury and causation of autism; but then you turn right around and claim that nothing more than correlation equals causation when speaking of vaccinated for vaccine efficacy. Did you know that human immunity involves far more than just demonstrated increases in antibodies, after vaccination?

  • Then you ignored and refused the evidence that was right in front of you.

  • And YOU are a sick liar.

  • So answer the question, were you the actual impersonator of AutismDadd? What other character name have you posted under here on these articles, and then just turned around and liked you own post?

  • Charlie “SICK” B

    I’m a warrior for vaccine truth.

  • Not according this is wasn’t. You can throw all the misleading false propaganda and lies at it that you want. You better get this book.

    VACCINE WHISTLEBLOWER BOOK EXPOSES 32 YEARS OF CDC’S SCIENCE FRAUD
    http://personalhealthrecords.in/2016/02/20/vaccine-whistleblower-book-exposes-32-years-of-cdcs-science-fraud/

    Callous Disregard Research Studies, (a very long list)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

  • Actually it is YOU liar, that obviously has NO conscience. How many more years will you hide you face in denial, and in posting under cowardly and fake identities?

  • For what, making a mission out of presenting with the evidence of the vaccine truth? To bad they have not yet made a vaccine for your major level of in denial sickness,

  • Really?

    This is what they call being an actual warrior for the vaccine truth.

    VacFacts
    http://www.vacfacts.info/

  • Your very existence is the personification of spreading dangerous lies and entirely false information.

  • Really? Then as well how many so called cofounders do you find in this long list of studies? You can disregard all of them right, and based on so called your twisted cofounders? Is that right?

    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

  • So is that all you have? All you have again is just simply false discreditation to throw at it? Imagine that.

  • Sonja Henie

    Good Lord, Lowell, I’m on social security!

  • If that were true then why is the CDC telling mothers to not breast feed and because passive antibodies from breast milk (and to the infant) cause neutralization of antibodies produced by vaccines? Mother nature and creation knows best.

    CDC Suggests Mothers Delay Breastfeeding to Enhance Vaccines and to Boost Vaccine Efficacy.
    http://naturalsociety.com/cdc-tells-mothers-to-delay-breastfeeding-so-that-vaccines-will-work-better/#ixzz40xsk3DVu

  • Correlation equals causation right, Sick B? Unless you are talking about vaccine injury and autism, and then no amount of correlation would ever equal causation. Such high levels of existing two faced hypocrisy.

  • That is actually a high level of scientific material that was put in front you SICK B. And all you can do is present with another Gorski, a well-known online character assassin masquerading as a science defender, article?

    Do you not comprehend that the study I posted shows directly that the pertussis vaccine can not and will not protect an infant to young to be vaccinated, and for the very reasons that the study outlines? Didn’t even bother to read the study and nor any of the information did you, and you just came right back on an re-posted more of your selective ignorance.

    As far as vaccine shedding; of course the CDC is not going to ever admit to any significant finding of vaccine shedding; and while the alternative and independent sources show you directly why is risk of vaccine shedding. Its you biased information verses mine, SICK B. Let any readers decide which information is more credible.

  • Sonja Henie

    That’s not why the CD promotes breastfeeding.

  • Even more reason. Go ahead as well and list what your previous occupation was, and also any existing conflicts of interest.

  • Jonathan Graham

    To throw at what? The idea that Hooker’s reanalysis makes sense? I can certainly talk about it – at length – as I’ve certainly read the thing far more often than you have or ever will.

    What’s the point though? If I say that each of is statistical mistakes tend to have positive biases. Would you have any clue what I’m talking about or what impact that had on his final answer.

    Considering that you have trouble answering simple questions in a useful way. Such as will a clinical trial between a group of children given a 40% dose of an influenza vaccine and another group of fully vaccinated children give you useful information about the safety of the vaccine schedule.

    Now you can go and misread that question by claiming that you did answer that and I’ll point out that your answer wasn’t useful and then you can post a bunch of insults and the cycle repeats. Yawn.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m happy to discuss specific studies with you but you have to agree to respond specifically to specific points and to make no insults. I know you’re afraid of doing this because: a) the vast majority of people every day all over the world successfully accomplish this and b) you want *some* reason to avoid talking about these studies but still feel justified in bashing people for not being willing to engage your deliberately repulsive personality.

    If you want just a general response. While I’m sure I could destroy a number of those – things – not all of them really qualify as a “study”. In truth I don’t have to. Statistically if you study the same thing enough times you will find the wrong answer. Again I could explain this to you but why bother? I might as well be talking to a carrot.

  • Thomas Johnson

    So now you know.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You are the very definition of a troll.

  • Thomas Johnson

    You should know, Lowell. You track everybody’s IP addresses.

  • Thomas Johnson

    “Not according (to) this is wasn’t.”

    It’s all right here, Lowell:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/now-retracted-autism-study-viral/story?id=25248179

  • Thomas Johnson

    What is it about promoting vaccine preventable diseases in children that appeals to you so much?

  • Thomas Johnson

    You can’t promote evidence of vaccine truth when you deny germ theory, Lowell.

  • Thomas Johnson

    How do you justify promoting vaccine preventable diseases in children?

  • Cindy

    My son developed multiple food allergies and eczema after his 3 month shots. Since then I have not given him any aside from a dtap at 18 months which I regretted after. I was told to avoid mmr as it contains egg. Now, he is 3. His pediatrician who knows his allergies and their severity wants me to start vaccinating him again. How in the world knowing he’s ALLERGIC and that getting it can cause anaphylaxis would she insist it’s going to “be ok”?! When I looked up ny rules on med exemption it clearly states that even anaphylaxis does not exempt one from getting the mmr?! So you can die but at least you “won’t get measels or mumps” what is the logic behind this? Why would I put my son through that?! Can someone please explain!

  • AutismDadd

    Is that a bad thing?

  • I’m afraid of doing this? LOL. You are afraid of ever having to respond in any honesty, you foolish man. You are nothing but a SICK and pathetic JOKE. Your level of in denial mindless, and crazed insanity it entirely nonproductive here. Again, you do not make the reply posting rules here, and if you insist on that, I suggest that you can just leave and quit wasting the readers time, and my time..

  • You can just stop replying with what amounts to nothing but arrogance, mindless insanity, and bullsh$t; and start presenting with some actual facts.and counter facts. You don’t actually have any, do you. And so, you read the book? Yes or no?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m afraid of doing this?

    Yes. It’s trivial to do and reasonable to request but you refuse. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    start presenting with some actual facts.

    I did but like I said you have the mathematical acumen of a vegetable.

  • In fact the study that actually should have been retracted, was this one right here. DeStefano F, Bhasin TK, Thompson WW, Yeargin-Allsopp M, Boyle C. “Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan atlanta.” Pediatrics. 2004;3:259–266.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754936

    CDC whistleblower’s confession: his personal safety is still an issue

    On August 27, CDC whistleblower William Thompson came out of the shadows and admitted he had omitted vital data from a 2004 study on the MMR vaccine and its connection to autism.

    Thompson’s official statement was released through his Cincinnati attorney, Rick Morgan.

    The key piece in Thompson’s statement is:

    “I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.”

    “My concern has been the decision to omit relevant findings in a particular study for a particular sub group for a particular vaccine. There have always been recognized risks for vaccination and I believe it is the responsibility of the CDC to properly convey the risks associated with receipt of those vaccines.”

    Everything else in Thompson’s statement is backfill and back-pedaling and legal positioning and self-protection.

    But this part, this is big. Within Thompson’s community of researchers and the general world of medical research and publishing, people know what it means.

    It means major fraud.

    Thompson, a co-author of the 2004 study, published in the prestigious journal Pediatrics, is admitting to egregious fraud. Cooking the data.

    (Here are the authors and the name and reference number of the study in question: DeStefano F, Bhasin TK, Thompson WW, Yeargin-Allsopp M, Boyle C. “Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan atlanta.” Pediatrics. 2004;3:259–266. The link to this study is here.)

    In particular, omitting data which showed that African-American male babies who received the MMR vaccine were at a 340% increased risk of autism.

    Omitting the data concealed this alarming fact from African-American families; and it also skewed the overall conclusion of the study, in order to exonerate the toxic MMR vaccine and give it a free pass.

    You would be hard-pressed to find a researcher of Thompson’s reputation and position who has ever come out and confessed: My colleagues and I committed fraud; we published the fraud; we stood by the fraud for 10 years.

    Scandal.

    Major scandal. It directly indicts Thompson’s co-authors of the 2004 study, including the lead author, Frank DeStefano, who is also a CDC executive in charge of vaccine safety issues.

    Now add to that: concealing the dangers of the MMR vaccine for ten years has resulted in untold numbers of cases of autism that could have been prevented.

    Damaged lives of children. Damaged families.

    Again, this is not someone coming in from the outside to criticize a published study. This is one of the co-authors of the study.

    Thompson was there in 2004. He knows what happened. He participated, along with his colleagues, in a cover-up.

    His co-authors are all recognized figures in the world of vaccine research: DeStefano; Tanya Karapurkar-Bhasin; Marshalyn Yeargin-Allsop; and Coleen Boyle.

    They have all defended the safety of vaccines in other studies, which are now thrown into doubt. As in: dominos falling.

    Add these factors up and you get: front-page news.

    You get a retraction of the 2004 study by Pediatrics, the journal that published it.

    Read more:
    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/08/31/cdc-whistleblowers-confession-his-personal-safety-is-still-an-issue/

    Callous Disregard-Research Studies
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    Published on Aug 22, 2014
    SENIOR GOVERNMENT SCIENTIST BREAKS 13 YEARS OF SILENCE ON CDC’S VACCINE-AUTISM FRAUD
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGOtDVilkUc

    #CDCWhistleblower William Thompson Issues Historic Statement
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSlOOHGXssE

    CDC Responds: Admits Omitting Vaccine Data
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THGbJnpywyw

    CNN Buries CDC Whistleblower?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjQyLcCQJLE

  • LOL, you have absolutely nothing and you know it, so quit lying. Any reply you have ever made with any attempted substance put to it has been replied to and left you exposed as the misinformation and false propaganda promoter that you really are. You can continue with your delusions and lie about it all you want

  • Jonathan Graham

    you have absolutely nothing

    I mentioned how every one of Hookers mistakes is going to bias his study toward his conclusion. Was that not enough of a hint?

  • I refuse what, to play your sick games. That is right. So therefore I have and will respond in replies on my own terms, (not your terms), and by any means that are needed and appropriate. You don’t like it; then quit responding to me, and leave. Just spare us any more rants and replies filled with your own personal sickness.

  • And you have no evidence of anything, and what I have I JUST POSTED, on this article. Stop focusing on just your own small world. At this point you are not deserving of any replies at all, and as to you sick and creepy personal vaccine shilling madness, and not whatsoever.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Why do you think Hooker’s paper was retracted, Lowell?

  • The presentation of rational truth, in your twisted mind is now called weaseling out of it? Just because you don’t like the answer and no answer of course would ever be good enough for you. But then your sick and twisted mind created it that way, and now didn’t it. You can concoct and rationalize all the twisted excuses that you want in the attempt to claim that an entirely unvaccinated verses fully vaccinated health outcome study would never show anything. The truth is that the CDC already knows what it will and would show, and that it would finish them. What do you not understand what it means when terms are used, entirely unvaccinated verses fully vaccinated? How simply is that, and you deliberately refuse to comprehend it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I refuse what, to play your sick games.

    ROFL wanting you to keep the conversation civil and on track is a “sick game” is it?

  • Jonathan Graham

    And you have no evidence of anything,

    That Hooker’s statistical methods bias towards false positives?

  • It doesn’t matter, and the silencing and level of corruption are likely no different than it was for and as to the take down of Wakefield. The truth is that the DeStefano F, Bhasin TK, Thompson WW, Yeargin-Allsopp M, Boyle C. study has been allowed to stand for all these years, and with significant amount of data that was allowed to be deleted from it and disregarded, and simply because it did not support the vaccines are safe controlling all the information, paradigm.

  • Just because you say so.

  • You have done nothing but take the conversation off the track and replaced it with your own in denial sickness and denial. That’s right, what you are playing is nothing but a sick game.

  • Thomas Johnson

    The retraction put to rest the whole “CDC whistleblower” controversy. How does that not matter?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. That’s what the chi-square test will do.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You have done nothing but take the conversation off the track

    I have avidly and eagerly in every single posts desired to converse on a study with the condition that you are civil and on topic. You have refused that request. So I’m simply not sure what can be accomplished when you have claimed that you are deliberately going to be insulting and off-topic.

  • It doesn’t actually put anything to rest, and any more than it did as to the ongoing MMR issues, and Dr Wakefield. What needs to happen is there needs to be a congressional hearing, and William Thompson needs to be subpoenaed to testify as to what he knew and when he knew it. You can twist it all you want, but that is what rightfully should happen, and needs to happen. And what twisted arguments can you come up with to oppose that said hearing?

  • You do remember the studies you asked for specifically, and in which you said you would directly respond to them. Why have you failed to do that? Throwing mud and poo at one single study, simply is the perfect example of why everything you just said is a lie, and while then you just simply attempt to walk away from it. You simply keep blowing your own falsely grandiose and delusional horn, and never produce anything.

  • What do you not understand about that William Thompson has already long ago admitting to omitting the data, and which was largely significant data? That has nothing to do with any chi-square test. The question is was that data omitted or was it not. The evidence shows that it was. Simple as that. There is absolutely no one that can claim the omitted data was not significant. There is no one as well with any honesty that can claim that the Frank DeStefano, Tanya Karapurkar Bhasin, William W. Thompson, Marshalyn Yeargin-Allsopp, Coleen Boyle, study should not have been retracted, and because of that said omitted data. The study clearly should be retracted.

    Pediatrics
    February 2004, VOLUME 113 / ISSUE 2
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/113/2/259

  • Thomas Johnson

    There’s nothing left to talk about. It would be a waste of time and money.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You do remember the studies you asked for specifically, and in which you said you would directly respond to them.

    Actually what was said that we would talk about one specific one and you asked me to pick. I have chosen one.

    Why have you failed to do that?

    From pretty much that point onward I asked you to comply to two simple stratight-forward and entirely reasonable rules. Make your comments specific and clear and don’t insult. You have stated that you refuse to comply with these two rules which means you will deliberately go off topic and insult. Clearly there isn’t much utility in discussing with someone like that. :-)

    Throwing mud and poo

    If you mean making a few comments about the fact that the authors of “The Severity of Autism Is Associated with Toxic Metal Body Burden and Red Blood Cell Glutathione Levels” seem to be out of their depth. I think that’s a pretty reasonable assessment.

  • Capt Ron

    That graph of measles mortality often trotted out to invalidate the effectiveness of MMR vaccinations… Please try to understand that MORTALITY (deaths) from any infectious disease is a distinctly separate statistic from MORBIDITY (disease case incidence). Vaccinations have, as the objective, produced remarkable reduction in disease cases – A VERY well documented success! Reduced cases will reduce deaths PLUS also reduce the many undesirable side effects of a measles infection like encephalitis, hearing loss, pnemonia, suppressed immune system, and birth defects when a pregnant woman is exposed to an active case. However, the significantly reduced rates of mortality (deaths) can reliably be attributed to wider availability of advanced medical care such as better diagnostics, respirators, antibiotics for concurrent bacterial infections whic invariably occur in the weakened patient, etc.

  • Jonathan Graham

    William Thompson

    You were talking about Hookers reanalysis of DeStefano et. al. that’s why were discussing this. Go look up there. :-) See that bit where I say Hooker is about as good a statistican as my cat. That’s why we are discussing Hooker. Which has very much to do with his use of chi-square.

    has already long ago admitting to omitting the data

    We know that the study corrected for confounders by removing those not in the birth certificate cohort for it’s final analysis. We know that removed the correlation that Thompson wanted to see. Whatever Thompson thinks should have been done it is simply statistically the wrong thing to do.

    If you had read the study you link to, you would understand. You haven’t so you don’t.

  • So you dictate the ground rules to entirely minimize your, and any needed response to what I post. You know using the word, “we” instead of “you”

    My replies will be and have been specific and clear. All you present with are just more false excuses. And again, you do not dictate the ground rules here in reply posting, and again if you don’t like that, then can just quit responding. But you know you can’t.

    Oh, and so now you also change it to that you think the single study you attempted to address, was out of depth. Out of depth, and is the best you could do? How is is this study so called, out of depth? And you have expertise as well in chelation, and you know exactly what you are talking about, right? No you don’t. The outcome found in this study has been witnessed as well by now endless numbers of parents, and when biomedical treatment is done correctly.

    Research Article

    The Severity of Autism Is Associated with Toxic Metal Body Burden and Red Blood Cell Glutathione Levels

    Abstract

    This study investigated the relationship of children’s autism symptoms with their toxic metal body burden and red blood cell (RBC) glutathione levels. In children ages 3–8 years, the severity of autism was assessed using four tools: ADOS, PDD-BI, ATEC, and SAS. Toxic metal body burden was assessed by measuring urinary excretion of toxic metals, both before and after oral dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA). Multiple positive correlations were found between the severity of autism and the urinary excretion of toxic metals. Variations in the severity of autism measurements could be explained, in part, by regression analyses of urinary excretion of toxic metals before and after DMSA and the level of RBC glutathione (adjusted of 0.22–0.45, in all cases). This study demonstrates a significant positive association between the severity of autism and the relative body burden of toxic metals.

    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/ (full study)

  • Talking about the omission of a significant amount of data that points directly to that vaccines actually do cause autism; is a waste of time and money? Putting a CDC employed man like Thompson under oath and investigation, and that has already admitted to that said omission of data, and as well to his regret in ever having gone along with that study; is a waste of time and money? You really do not care then how many children are vaccine injured, and just as long as the real truth can be remain to be hidden and the for profit vaccine program can continue to stand unchallenged and with and in having the complete control of all information the public receives.

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you dictate the ground rules to entirely minimize your, and any needed response to what I post.

    No I think you being clear and direct and uninsulting is simply the kind of person I’m willing to deal with. If you continue to refuse to be that person. I’m happy to continue to remind you for the rest of your life that as long as I offer you the thinnest of excuses NOT to discuss the article you are happy not discussing it.

    My replies will be and have been specific and clear.

    Debatable but I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you can agree to not insult during the conversation.

    Oh, and so now you also change it to that you think the single study you attempted to address, was out of depth

    I didn’t attempt to address it. I said that I find naturopaths trying to do science amusing. This isn’t really that much different than calling two of the authors “out of their depth”.

    Research Article

    Sorry, if you want to discuss the article with me then you need to agree to my very, very, very simple and reasonable requests. If you prefer to cower under an pretense of bluster. Be my guest. :-)

  • That is just nothing but another load of BS. In fact just the opposite of what you say, is actually true. In the study the said omitted data is not even there; so how would you say that should allow a person to understand the study correctly? So removing children that acquired autism after the MMR vaccine, you say is just simply correcting for confounders? How stupid do you actually expect people to be?

    In statistics, a confounding variable (also confounding factor, a confound, or confounder) is an extraneous variable in a statistical model that correlates (directly or inversely) with both the dependent variable and the independent variable.

    A spurious relationship is a perceived relationship between an independent variable and a dependent variable that has been estimated incorrectly because the estimate fails to account for a confounding factor. The incorrect estimation suffers from omitted-variable bias.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confounding

  • You aren’t even discussing the article, so called Graham. You are just simply attempting to attack any reply post I make. Your replies have become increasingly twisted and full of nothing but witless nonsense. In fact most of what you are posting is not even logical and nor coherent.You simply as well again and again instead of simply responding to reply pull sentences and parts of sentences from anywhere and everywhere, and which takes things out of context, and just allows you to twist it all even further.

    And as for the said study, all you could do was throw false discreditation at the study in claiming that the authors were not qualified. That is not discussing the merits of the study. That is not offering refute of the study. That is not offering counter and equivalent studies that show vaccine safety in regard to the issues that the said study was addressing. You are thus worthless at any such analysis of what is actually an important study. You can just go ahead and admit it. None of you shills can ever do it. Why? Because studies such as that are exactly correct. Like I said if you don’t like what I respond with, then quit responding.

  • Thomas Johnson

    “Talking about the omission of a significant amount of data that points directly to that vaccines actually do cause autism; is a waste of time and money?”

    That never happened though. Stop making straw man arguments.

  • Jonathan Graham

    In the study the said omitted data is not even there; so how would you say that should allow a person to understand the study correctly

    If so then why can you see a positive correlation between vaccines and autism on page 263 from the original journal. Again you haven’t read DeStefano you are *sigh* like most of crazytown just pretending to.

    So removing children that acquired autism after the MMR vaccine, you say is just simply correcting for confounders?No, I’m saying done to the data was to correct for confounders. This involved removing about half of the sample – those without birth certificates. Removing half the sample reduced the correlation to below significance thresholds. Again, this was clearly explained in the study which you keep pretending to have read.

    How stupid do you actually expect people to be?

    Everybody or just you? I expect people to read the study they are flapping their lips about – which you haven’t.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You aren’t even discussing the article,

    …and I won’t unless you can agree to being specific in your replies and not insulting. This is a thing I suspect you accomplish every day. Your unwillingness to be civil here is just evidence that you will jump at any excuse not to discuss it. :-)

  • Not a single vaccine has ever been proven to protect against the disease for which it was created. To prove it would require scientific studies showing incidence of disease in the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated. They don’t exist.

    For example, if in up to 70% of polio infections there are and were no symptoms, In another 25% of people they had only minor symptoms such as fever and a sore throat and up to 5% have headache, neck stiffness and pains in the arms and legs; and they recovered. In those with muscle weakness about 2% to 5% of children and 15% to 30% of adults are said to have died. So we have only 5 percent of the people that acquired polio having an severely adverse event, or dying.

    It has long been stated that diagnosed cases of polio were in significant decline prior to development of a vaccine. So then just as the vaccine becomes available and put into use, the entire criteria for polio diagnoses was majorly changed, and now if previously vaccinated, you no longer have polio, but something else. And with that said criteria change move, at least 40,000 cases of polio disappeared over night.

    So which do you think eradicated polio? Was it the naturally acquired immunity in all those people that survived polio without any serious effect, or was it the vaccines? And again where is your evidence that it was the polio vaccine that eradicated polio? You want us to think that half of the country was stuck in iron longs, and you fear monger and fear monger the public again and again to get vaccinated. Uninformed, for profit, and as crazy as a monkey chasing its tail.

    Sorry, in the Vaccine Debate, the ‘Experts’ are the Historians
    https://idsent.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/sorry-in-the-vaccine-debate-the-experts-are-the-historians/

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign, (and with a section on the small pox vaccine)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    The Present Status of Polio Vaccines (Document written in the 1950’s). Clearly and obviously the change in polio diagnosis and re-definition right after the vaccine was in use, significantly reduced the polio case numbers, and not the polio vaccine.

    The polio vaccine was introduced in 1954. At the time, paralytic and non-paralytic cases were all being reported as polio – non-paralytic cases actually made up around 55% of the reported cases. In the few years immediately following the introduction of the vaccine, the CDC changed the definition of paralytic polio drastically – from 24 hours of paralysis to 60 days. Since most sufferers of paralytic polio actually recovered within a few weeks, this had the effect of eliminating more than two thirds of the cases to be reported. There was also a change in labeling protocol for non-paralytic poliomyelitis, which had constituted the majority of polio cases reported; it was thenceforth to be labeled viral or aseptic meningitis. Between those two changes, 90% of all cases of polio to be reported were automatically eliminated – eliminated, not eradicated. Indeed, by 1965 the reported cases of polio had decreased by 90% – and the reported cases of aseptic meningitis had increased accordingly. Since that time, local and state public health authorities have had to send all reported cases to the CDC for final analysis before they could officially be declared polio. Coincidentally, the number of cases of polio reported soon dwindled to zero.

    Read more:
    http://www.greatmothersquestioningvaccines.com/uploads/2/8/8/8/2888885/ratner_1960.pdf

    The Research You Won’t Find On The Web – A Historian’s Health Perspective. (This is a great window view into exposing some of the historical misinformation that has been promoted to the public by such as the CDC and WHO, and in which we have been told were the successes of vaccines; but they actually were not.)

    http://mayhemsbeauty.wordpress.com/2014/10/22/the-research-you-wont-find-on-the-web-a-historians-health-perspective/

  • Here is what you are going to agree to and specifically. You are going to agree to stop using an outside external app that allows you to butcher and cut my replies in to pieces of sentences, and which lose the context in which replies were made in, and that lose the entire focus of what was actually replied with. In the end you have thus created so much confusion for any readers that they would not be able to even begin determining what was really going on. But then you do that deliberately, don’t you. Either that or you are to inept to even realize what you are doing. Which is it?

  • Jonathan Graham

    You

    Yes?

    are going to

    Going to what?

    agree to stop using

    Lowell I guarantee that I am clean and sober.

    an outside external app

    What is an “outside external app”? Are there “outside internal apps” or “inside external apps”?

    that allows you to butcher and cut my replies

    Lowell I am not using any app. I’m just typing into the Disqus response section. Unless my fingers are an “app” or my web browser?

    in

    I think this…

    to

    …should have been one word

    pieces

    Like Resee’s?

    of sentences

    As usual I think you’re under a delusion.

    created so much confusion for any readers

    I think you do that all on your own. I just bring the FUN!

    I’ll just point out that you can’t even agree to stop being insulting in order to meet your demand that we talk about these studies you claim you’ve read (but probably haven’t) and now you’re making further demands. At least this one is easy to comply with. As I am not using any outside external app, outside internal app, inside external app or inside internal app to post. You can consider your request met. Huzzah!

  • kfunk937

    Was that intended to be funny? Because that’s how it worked out for me. Thank you for that, btw.

  • Really. And you go ahead and provide a copy of that said study and full text, and that is more than just an abstract, and not required to be paid for, and or for membership. Why should a considered important study like that not be open to the public, and for free? That when its outcome effects so many millions of children, and families?

    The truth is that what you call the disregard of that said data due to so called confounders, simply is a smoke screen of BS. DeStefano has stated also this false excuse right here. Meaning that just because some of the cases had acquired autism at three years of age, it just couldn’t be biologically plausible to be caused by vaccines, so they just simply and conveniently ignored it?

    [So according to “[Vaccine] exposure around [three years of age] is just not biologically plausible to have a causal association with autism,” DeStefano says. “I mean autism would’ve already started by then…it probably starts in the womb. So I think from a biological argument, it’s implausible this was a causal association.”]

    CDC Whistleblower revealed

    SENIOR GOVERNMENT SCIENTIST BREAKS 13 YEARS OF SILENCE ON CDC’S VACCINE-AUTISM FRAUD

    AFRICAN AMERICAN BOYS WILLFULLY EXPOSED TO HIGH RISK OF AUTISM FROM MMR VACCINE

    https://vimeo.com/user5503203/review/103711143/91f7d3d4d8

    CDC Responds to Allegation it Omitted Vaccine-Autism Study Link

    “Lowest Point in my Career”

    Thompson is a PhD who works in the National Immunization Program at the CDC where he has been employed for 16 years. His revelations were first made public after he reportedly made wide-ranging claims and confessions in a series of telephone conversations with autism advocate and researcher Brian Hooker of Focus Autism. Hooker, also a PhD, is an assistant professor of biology and the parent of an autistic teenager. Because of the significance of Thompson’s allegations, Hooker began recording some of the conversations without Thompson’s knowledge.

    “It’s the lowest point in my career that I went along with that paper,” Thompson tells Hooker in a recording played on the online Autism Media Channel. “I went along with this, we didn’t report significant findings.”

    The CDC’s DeStefano acknowledges that he and his study co-authors changed their study analysis plan midstream, which resulted in reducing the statistical vaccine-autism link among black boys. But he says they did so for good scientific reason.

    “[Vaccine] exposure around [three years of age] is just not biologically plausible to have a causal association with autism,” DeStefano says. “I mean autism would’ve already started by then…it probably starts in the womb. So I think from a biological argument, it’s implausible this was a causal association.”

    Highly-Charged Issue

    The issue is highly-charged for several reasons: public health officials fear that the public will panic and stop vaccinating if they believe there are links between vaccines and autism. That could lead to resurgence in serious infectious diseases.

    A doctor administers a vaccine. Photo from: National Institutes of Health

    A doctor administers a vaccine. Photo from: National Institutes of Health

    Also, vaccination is a multi-billion dollar global industry that employs law firms and public relations agents to engage in a variety of high-powered PR efforts. These efforts include: lobbying members of Congress to prevent hearings exploring vaccine safety, holding private meetings with news executives to discourage reporting on vaccines and autism, and financing nonprofits which take favorable positions on vaccine safety issues. Because pharmaceutical companies that produce vaccines spend millions of dollars each year buying advertising on television, print and online, critics argue they may be given undue influence over content of the reporting media.

    Pharmaceutical interests and their surrogates routinely falsely portray scientists and journalists who investigate vaccine safety as “anti-vaccine.” In his statement, Thompson emphasizes his safety concerns do not reflect an “anti-vaccine” mentality.

    Read more:
    https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-responds-to-allegation-it-omitted-vaccine-autism-study-link/

    Measles and measles vaccines: fourteen things to consider. ~by Roman Bystrianyk (co-author Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History) http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/06/24/measles-and-measles-vaccines-fourteen-things-to-consider-by-roman-bystrianyk-co-author-dissolving-illusions-disease-vaccines-and-the-forgotten-history/

  • So in that he was seeing autism in an MMR vaccinated 3 year old, DeStefano simply took the liberty to claim that he wasn’t seeing what was in front of him, and that it couldn’t possibly be there. And that is what you called correcting the study, for confounders. You know what, you ask for respect and you demand respect, but obviously you do not deserve any respect at all, period. You are denying the vaccine injury to children, and all to save the for profit toxic and contaminated vaccine damaging, paradigm

    [The CDC’s DeStefano acknowledges that he and his study co-authors changed their study analysis plan midstream, which resulted in reducing the statistical vaccine-autism link among black boys. But he says they did so for good scientific reason.

    “[Vaccine] exposure around [three years of age] is just not biologically plausible to have a causal association with autism,” DeStefano says. “I mean autism would’ve already started by then…it probably starts in the womb. So I think from a biological argument, it’s implausible this was a causal association.”]

    https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-responds-to-allegation-it-omitted-vaccine-autism-study-link/

  • No, what was said is that I want you to do is to stop using your method of chopping up all my replies into bits and pieces and for your own presumed advantage, and in other than in reality only presenting with more of your own craziness. It does not matter the method by which it is it is being done. You have refused, and continue arguing only over verbal terms. You have intentionally only flaunted more of it, and as well only more of your obvious sickness. Why should you deserve any respect at all, tell me.

    You had a list of studies, and you could discuss, and/or nor respond to none of them at all One single study you just simply threw only attempted false discreditation at it, and that was it. For how many days and weeks now have you simply failed at the issue of the science and the studies.To get honest about anything you would simply be finished, and you know it.

  • Oh, but actually it clearly did happen. And you are the only straw man argument maker here. But then you vaccine shills always seem to think they are dealing with people that unable to see their high levels of hypocrisy, and you refuse to ever rethink it.

    If you still can not see the obvious lies and the CDC corruption going on, then you deliberately aren’t looking.

    CDC Responds to Allegation it Omitted Vaccine-Autism Study Link
    https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-responds-to-allegation-it-omitted-vaccine-autism-study-link/

  • Here is a bit more reality for you.

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-AUGUST 27,2014

    STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM

    My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and

    Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

    I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

    Read more:
    http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

    (Audio) CDC Addresses Allegations on Vaccine-Autism Link Omission

    Click the link in the page to hear audio of Sharyl Attkisson telephone interview with CDC’s Dr. Frank DeStefano about his questioned MMR-autism study, Aug. 26, 2014.

    https://sharylattkisson.com/audio-cdc-addresses-allegations-on-vaccine-autism-link-omission/

    The Thompson Transcripts: Shocking Revelations by the CDC Whistleblower

    When trying to get this story out, as mainstream media looked the other way, our community faced a tidal wave of astroturfing on Facebook pages, Twitter and media sites. Bloggers and “shills” sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry quickly moved to hijack and reframe this incredible story, branding it with their favorite word: “debunked.”

    Read more:
    http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/the-thompson-transcripts-shocking-revelations-by-the-cdc-whistleblower/

    And again, be sure you don’t forget this one.

    CDC Whistleblower revealed

    SENIOR GOVERNMENT SCIENTIST BREAKS 13 YEARS OF SILENCE ON CDC’S VACCINE-AUTISM FRAUD

    AFRICAN AMERICAN BOYS WILLFULLY EXPOSED TO HIGH RISK OF AUTISM FROM MMR VACCINE

    https://vimeo.com/user5503203/review/103711143/91f7d3d4d8

    And what about this long list of studies, which have been ignored?

    Callous Disregard-Research
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yes. Lowell sometimes paints too big a target on himself.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Really. And you go ahead and provide a copy of that said study and full text, and that is more than just an abstract, and not required to be paid for, and or for membership

    In other words I was right – you haven’t read the very study you are criticizing. So I guess you are that stupid.

    Why should a considered important study like that not be open to the public, and for free?

    Because that’s how science journals support themselves. Otherwise the only other person to charge are the authors (who don’t exactly get off the hook). The problem with charging them is you create a conflict of interest between the journal and the authors.

    The truth is that what you call the disregard of that said data due to so called confounders, simply is a smoke screen of BS.

    No, it’s what the study SAYS and based on the documents released by Thompson it is also the protocol they agreed on.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, what was said is that I want you to do is to stop using your method of chopping up all my replies into bits and pieces

    No you specifically asked me to stop using an OUTSIDE EXTERNAL APP. See it’s right here:

    You are going to agree to stop using an outside external app that allows you to butcher and cut my replies in to pieces of sentences

    I have done as you asked. If this is not what you wanted perhaps you should be a bit more clear about what you want.

    You had a list of studies, and you could discuss

    …under the condition that you are direct and civil and you are not willing to be both. So here you are – you dodging what for most people is the easiest thing they do all day – so you can have an excuse for not discussing the article.

    To get honest about anything you would simply be finished, and you know it.

    Then call my bluff – agree to ZERO insults AND CLEAR unambiguous and specific responses.

    I’m ready to rumble – you clearly are not. :-)

  • Thomas Johnson

    “Oh, but actually it clearly did happen.”

    No, if it had happened Hooker’s paper wouldn’t have been retracted. Why do you think Hooker’s paper was retracted, Lowell?

  • CharlieB1972

    “To get honest about anything you would simply be finished, and you know it.”

    LOL! That’s really rich coming from the man who made up a flat-out lie about smallpox and cowpox being the same virus.

  • CharlieB1972

    What a load of garbage. You anti-vaccine cultists spin this ridiculous crap about polio being renamed 15 different diseases to avoid admitting the truth about how we have practically eradicated polio with vaccines!

  • Thomas Johnson

    I’ve really enjoyed this thread also:)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Thanks. Lowell is like Chris – just on the cusp of “crank” and “illucid”

  • You have been directly shown specifically why there is no evidence that polio vaccine eradicated anything. So you are telling me that the real historical accounts as recorded in the day and time these events occurred, has been fabricated? The CDC and WHO accounts regarding polio vaccine is what has actually been faked, and with no evidence but correlation equals causation. The same correlation equals causation that you reject when it comes to evidence of vaccine injury and as well resulting autism. You exist as being entirely hypocritical, touting nothing but double standards..

  • I did not make that claim as to small pox and cowpox being the dame. The historical evidence and the account of and recorded at the time; directly shows that small pox vaccine only created more and larger outbreaks of small pox, speaking specifically of the early small pox vaccine.

  • The pesky outcome for you is that the recorded history, shows a very dark side to vaccines.

    Recently Vaccinated Kids Are Spreading Whooping Cough Everywhere – Pediatricians Failing to Diagnose Pertussis in Vaccinated Children
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/recently-vaccinated-kids-are-spreading-whooping-cough-everywhere/

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • What, another twisted mumbo jumbo reply from the trolling shillary? You better go back to the shillary and ask for a new game plan. The old one is not working.

  • And you would be wrong, and there is nothing I can not and will not discuss directly, and i have.

    The reality of vaccines is catching up with the CDC’s vaccine misinformation and lies.

    Recently Vaccinated Kids Are Spreading Whooping Cough Everywhere – Pediatricians Failing to Diagnose Pertussis in Vaccinated Children
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/recently-vaccinated-kids-are-spreading-whooping-cough-everywhere/

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • I have already called your bluff several times, and you failed to do anything but throw false discreditation at the study information. Why would you expect to do any better this time. You have had you chance, and I am not starting over with the same information and the same situation you have already failed at. How many days and weeks do you need? You are simply and repeatedly playing games.

    And yes you did understand what I told you in regard to chopping up my replies, and you refuse to change it and your non productive and idiotic form of reply posting. You notice as well that you are the only one here that is doing it. Just directly reply to the reply you were given. There is no need to repost what was in the reply, and when the reply is right above the place that you are responding to ot. But then you would not have the chance to create your utter bits and pieces chaos, and as you intended to do.

  • The target is your foolishness. How big a target is that? You entirely delusional man.

  • Quit chopping up my replies into bits and pieces and simply reply to the post directly. The insanity of your sick and twisted replies produce absolutely nothing productive; but then that is how you intended it all along

  • What I have put in front of you more than proves I am right, and regardless of what you claim the study states. The said and relevant data WAS disregarded in the study, plain and simple. If you can not see that by now, then you are not looking, and in your stubborn can’t be wrong mind you refuse to see and to face it. These people. DeStefano and Thompson have directly admitted to what they have done; and which confirms directly what actually happened with that study. Just face it. You obviously refuse as well to review anything at all in and as to what I have put forth in my replies. Stubbornly and selectively blind is what you are. You simply can not be wrong. Face it, you are wrong. Now lets see go right to chopping up this reply post into half a dozens cut and paste sections where you can continue to attempt to again distort it all.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Why won’t you answer the question, Lowell?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I have already called your bluff several times,

    You’ve agreed to ZERO insults AND to respond clearly and specifically? If not, then you haven’t called my bluff.

    And yes you did understand what I told you in regard to chopping up my replies

    I understood what you SAID but what you SAID wasn’t what you meant. What you SAID was to stop using an “external outside app”. Having used no apps I have complied.

    you are the only one here that is doing it

    Not true. In fact you did this several times – you just used square brackets – blockquotes are much more clear and pretty.

    there is no need to repost what was in the reply

    Actually if you notice I don’t do it with everyone but when posts are as long, meandering and off-topic as yours. It helps keep the proper context. Instead of constantly using in text quoting or references. .e.g. “When you said: ‘I Lowell am a moron’. I’d like to point out that this classically refers to someone with a mental age of seven to ten years and I think you’re over-estimating.”

  • Jonathan Graham

    Dude, if you want to keep turning yourself into sport for me. That’s cool. However you have an option for reasonable discussion and that option involves agreeing to a few things which you have refused to agree to. The second you say: “I Lowell Hubs agree to be specific, clear and will use no insults at all” is the second we start talking about your ridiculous studies. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Tell you what, keep all your responses as short as the one I’m responding to now and I’ll not use quoting. As soon as you go “wandering off” the quotes serve to keep the discussion on track.

  • Jonathan Graham

    What I have put in front of you more than proves I am right,

    Nope. Please provide a singe specific and sourced quote of no more than three sentences that clearly and unambiguously demonstrates that the data which was allegedly removed which changed the outcome was clearly something other than using the birth certificate cohort.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I say:

    Your unwillingness to be civil here is just evidence that you will jump at any excuse not to discuss it. :-)

    …and you said I’m wrong. However you have yet to agree to zero insults.

  • AutismDadd

    Save $$$ by not smoking and drinking.

  • Do you ever look in the mirror and realize what you really are? A piece of obviously deceptive and complete garbage. I suggest that you start doing that.

  • It wasn’t just three sentences, (and as you demand), but obviously I have more than already done that

  • Really? Then why are you quoting only a partial sentence or one short sentence? You are one extremely SICK and twisted man. The sickest of the SICK. Doing nothing but the devils work.

  • Already done that, you obviously very sick man. The insults as you perceive them to be and call them, you will continue to receive, and like it or not. You do not run this show, and you never will.

  • Why can you not respond to the studies I put in front of you? All the false excuses in the world, will not allow you to evade that outcome. Simply relying on false discreditation, is not an adequate response.

  • What question? Seems to me that you have not even begun to answer to the information that in front of you. Hypocrite.

  • Discus what??? Again, you will get the replies that you receive, and no amount of your cover-up will ever cover for the massive amount of vaccine injuries that exist in the US, and actually world wide. You will only continue to deny it all.

  • CharlieB1972

    Why is there so much cancer? I’d say smoking is the top cause. It’s also because people are living long enough to grow old and get cancer. In the old days, we used to croak at the age of 35 on average and have 10 kids so 5 could survive. Pretty depressing when you think about it.

    Want to bring cancer rates down? Encourage people to get vaccinated against HPV and Hepatitis B!

  • CharlieB1972

    I can refute it by pointing out the following:

    1. Even with a weaker form of the vaccine than we used to have, pertussis cases are down by nearly 80% from when there used to be no vaccine at all. The time series data supports the vaccine.

    2. The states with the strictest vaccine laws have the lowest incidence o pertussis. The cross-sectional data supports the vaccine.

    3. When the vaccinated get pertussis they are much more likely to have milder symptoms than the unvaccinated.

    BTW, Gorski did not write a thing in that link I posted. He just took a screen shot of an anti-vaxxer’s article about the terrible suffering her children endured in the name of “natural immunity” to pertussis. Read the story. It could change your views on vaccines.

  • Jonathan Graham

    If I’m deceptive then show me where you have clearly and unambiguously agreed to zero insults.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. You just copypasta a bunch of stuff. Everything I read doesn’t meet my criteria. You don’t know that because, as everyone knows you haven’t really read it. But feel free to prove me wrong by posting exactly three sentences from your copypasta that meet my criteria (I’ll let you go to four if you really need it but that’s all you should need for a sentence that is clear and unambiguous.

  • Jonathan Graham

    In that post? There are no quotes at all…are you high?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Please point out where you have said “I Lowell Hubs agree to be specific, clear and use no insults at all”. I’m happy to start talking as soon as you can point out where you’ve said words that mean EXACTLY that :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m happy to…as soon as you either post words that have the exact meaning of “I Lowell Hubbs agree to be specific and clear in my responses and use no insults whatsoever” or show me where you have said these words already.

    I’ll just add that by “specific and clear” I’m including that you need to respond usefully to requests for more clarity – including when I say: “Show me where you said”. Which as I point out you are violating right now in other parts of this thread where you refuse to point out where you complied to the “three sentences” about Thompson or where you have agreed to my requirements.

  • Jonathan Graham

    We are talking about discussing one of your fun studies – specifically “The Severity of Autism Is Associated with Toxic Metal Body Burden and Red Blood Cell Glutathione Levels”. Which I’m happy to once you agree to my very reasonable and very very very very very easy request.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Try to keep up, Lowell. The question was why do you think Hooker’s paper was retracted? You’re just dodging.

  • You try to keep up, fool.

    Again, this more than answers any question about the level of corruption that has gone on with the 2004 study known and as titled, Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan atlanta. Pediatrics. 2004 Feb;113(2):259-66.

    CDC Responds to Allegation it Omitted Vaccine-Autism Study Link

    https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-responds-to-allegation-it-omitted-vaccine-autism-study-link/

    (Audio) CDC Addresses Allegations on Vaccine-Autism Link Omission

    Click the link in the page to hear audio of Sharyl Attkisson telephone interview with CDC’s Dr. Frank DeStefano about his questioned MMR-autism study, Aug. 26, 2014

    https://sharylattkisson.com/audio-cdc-addresses-allegations-on-vaccine-autism-link-omission/

    August 27, 2014 Press Release, “Statement of William W. Thompson, Ph.D., Regarding the 2004 Article Examining the Possibility of a Relationship Between MMR Vaccine and Autism”

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-AUGUST 27,2014

    STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM

    My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and

    Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

    I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

    Read more:
    http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

    The Thompson Transcripts: Shocking Revelations by the CDC Whistleblower

    When trying to get this story out, as mainstream media looked the other way, our community faced a tidal wave of astroturfing on Facebook pages, Twitter and media sites. Bloggers and “shills” sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry quickly moved to hijack and reframe this incredible story, branding it with their favorite word: “debunked.”

    Read more:

    http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/the-thompson-transcripts-shocking-revelations-by-the-cdc-whistleblower/

    And what about this long list of studies, which have been ignored?
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    CDC Whistleblower revealed

    SENIOR GOVERNMENT SCIENTIST BREAKS 13 YEARS OF SILENCE ON CDC’S VACCINE-AUTISM FRAUD

    AFRICAN AMERICAN BOYS WILLFULLY EXPOSED TO HIGH RISK OF AUTISM FROM MMR VACCINE

    https://vimeo.com/user5503203/review/103711143/91f7d3d4d8

    Pediatrics. 2004 Feb;113(2):259-66.

    Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan atlanta.

    DeStefano F1, Bhasin TK, Thompson WW, Yeargin-Allsopp M, Boyle C.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754936

    VACCINE WHISTLEBLOWER BOOK EXPOSES 32 YEARS OF CDC’S SCIENCE FRAUD

    In August 2014, it was revealed that senior Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) scientist William Thompson had been having numerous conversations with vaccine critic Brian Hooker in which Thompson noted that the data from one of his studies had been massaged prior to publication in order to conceal a link between the MMR vaccine and autism in black boys.

    In a new book, Vaccine Whistleblower: Exposing the Autism Research Fraud at the CDC, attorney Kevin Barry examines the content of ten months worth of conversations between Thompson and Hooker, which were recorded prior to September 2014.

    Hooker is a bioengineer and a professor of biology and chemistry at Simpson University. He has spent 12 years using Freedom of Information Act requests to obtain data on studies the CDC has conducted on a possible link between vaccines and autism, and he has submitted many of his findings to Congress.

    Omitted data shows autism link

    Read more:
    http://personalhealthrecords.in/2016/02/20/vaccine-whistleblower-book-exposes-32-years-of-cdcs-science-fraud/

  • The studies were there, and you are still making false excuses for doing nothing but throw entirely false discrediation at only one single, the first study that was there on the list. You had your chance and failed. You said put forth a study and that you would discuss it, and then you found out that you couldn’t. Just face it. I am not playing your sick games.

  • F$$K your personal sickness, and F$$K your SICK requirements. You are entirely insane. And so, this is how you get when you know that you can not discuss and respond in any honesty to a simple list of studies? You know, the studies that you said that you would and could, but failed to.

  • EVERY POST I MAKE IS SPECIFIC AND CLEAR. THERE ARE NO UNCERTAIN TERMS. THERE IS NO QUESTION LEFT IN MY REPLY POSTS AS TO WHAT I AM STATING, AND AS TO WHAT I AM PUTTING FORTH. YOU VERY SICK AND TWISTED LIAR. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?

  • There are no quotes, really? You are quoting me, and butchering my reply into even fragmented sentences. And you say there are no quotes? Then who are you quoting, if not me? Is there anything at all that you would not argue just to argue, and in all of it being pointless?

  • Your sick criteria? You personally are a sick and twisted joke, face it. Nothing would ever be enough for you and you know it, and all you will continue to do is make denial, and refuse to face reality.

    Again, this more than answers any question about the level of corruption that has gone on with the 2004 study known and as titled, Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan atlanta. Pediatrics. 2004 Feb;113(2):259-66.

    CDC Responds to Allegation it Omitted Vaccine-Autism Study Link
    https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-responds-to-allegation-it-omitted-vaccine-autism-study-link/

    (Audio) CDC Addresses Allegations on Vaccine-Autism Link Omission

    Click the link in the page to hear audio of Sharyl Attkisson telephone interview with CDC’s Dr. Frank DeStefano about his questioned MMR-autism study, Aug. 26, 2014

    https://sharylattkisson.com/audio-cdc-addresses-allegations-on-vaccine-autism-link-omission/

    August 27, 2014 Press Release, “Statement of William W. Thompson, Ph.D., Regarding the 2004 Article Examining the Possibility of a Relationship Between MMR Vaccine and Autism”

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-AUGUST 27,2014

    STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM

    My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

    I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

    Read more:
    http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

    The Thompson Transcripts: Shocking Revelations by the CDC Whistleblower

    When trying to get this story out, as mainstream media looked the other way, our community faced a tidal wave of astroturfing on Facebook pages, Twitter and media sites. Bloggers and “shills” sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry quickly moved to hijack and reframe this incredible story, branding it with their favorite word: “debunked.”

    Read more:
    http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/the-thompson-transcripts-shocking-revelations-by-the-cdc-whistleblower/

    And what about this long list of studies, which have been ignored?
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    CDC Whistleblower revealed

    SENIOR GOVERNMENT SCIENTIST BREAKS 13 YEARS OF SILENCE ON CDC’S VACCINE-AUTISM FRAUD

    AFRICAN AMERICAN BOYS WILLFULLY EXPOSED TO HIGH RISK OF AUTISM FROM MMR VACCINE

    https://vimeo.com/user5503203/review/103711143/91f7d3d4d8

    Pediatrics. 2004 Feb;113(2):259-66.

    Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan atlanta.

    DeStefano F1, Bhasin TK, Thompson WW, Yeargin-Allsopp M, Boyle C.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754936

    VACCINE WHISTLEBLOWER BOOK EXPOSES 32 YEARS OF CDC’S SCIENCE FRAUD

    In August 2014, it was revealed that senior Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) scientist William Thompson had been having numerous conversations with vaccine critic Brian Hooker in which Thompson noted that the data from one of his studies had been massaged prior to publication in order to conceal a link between the MMR vaccine and autism in black boys.

    In a new book, Vaccine Whistleblower: Exposing the Autism Research Fraud at the CDC, attorney Kevin Barry examines the content of ten months worth of conversations between Thompson and Hooker, which were recorded prior to September 2014.

    Hooker is a bioengineer and a professor of biology and chemistry at Simpson University. He has spent 12 years using Freedom of Information Act requests to obtain data on studies the CDC has conducted on a possible link between vaccines and autism, and he has submitted many of his findings to Congress.

    Omitted data shows autism link

    Read more:
    http://personalhealthrecords.in/2016/02/20/vaccine-whistleblower-book-exposes-32-years-of-cdcs-science-fraud/

  • You deserve no respect, and you will not receive any. You play nothing but sick and twisted games. Is that specific and plain enough for you. So in your grandiose and delusional mind and in regard to your falsely self made importance here, and in making your twisted and arrogant demands; how is that turning out for you? Not very well, now is it. And all because you in reality have no ability to debate the vaccine issues based on the reality that the really needed vaccine safety studies have never been done; and based on my part on the real independent science that has been largely ignored, and that you continue to ignore.

  • All that article is-is just more sensationalized fear mongering. And did I not just point out to you that pertussis vaccine likely will not protect nine month old, because the vaccinated can still shed the pathogen even if remaining asymptomatic. And people like you just keep on ignoring that study and lying about it.

    A year ago I had pertussis, and that was the first time I ever had it, that I know of. It is a tuff bug, and it can be dangerous for some people. I know enough about vaccines and the vaccine ingredients. I know enough about the risk of the pertussis vaccine. And I know that the risk of the vaccine and the harm of injected aluminum adjuvants, simply do not present with a situation where the risks out weight the benefit of such a vaccine. But you deny and ignore those risks, and so that is why you favor the vaccine. You refuse the evidence of reality.

    Your 80% figure in claiming that pertussis is down by that much because of the vaccine, is simply preposterous because pertussis outbreaks continue to happen, and where there is found in that outbreak that 80% or more of the outbreak has been found in the vaccinated. You are putting forth what amounts to false information, SICK B.

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    Actually read the data, it could change your mind about the value of toxic and contaminated injected vaccines.

  • So all the young children that have developed cancer, were smokers? How long ago are the old days, my grandparents lived into their 90’s. It isn’t just old people getting cancer, you making it all up as you go, fool. People of all ages are getting cancer, and much of it is caused by the SV40 money virus that was in the previous polio vaccine, and is actually a tumor and cancer causing virus. SV40 has as well been found in children today and which are to young to ever have had the known contaminated polio vaccine of the early 1960’s. It is being passed from parents to child. The children are born with it in their body.

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    To date, the prevalence of SV40 infections in humans is not known. Recent studies, based on PCR and serological techniques, indicate that SV40 infection occurs both in children and adults. (i) SV40 DNA sequences have been detected in normal and neoplastic tissues of people either too young (1 to 30 years) or too old (60 to 85 years) to have been vaccinated with SV40-contaminated anti-polio vaccines [19,33,76-81]. This finding may also explain the lack of difference in cancer incidence between individuals vaccinated with SV40-contaminated and SV40-free anti-polio vaccines [82]. (ii) SV40 sequences and Tag were detected in blood and sperm specimens from normal individuals and oncologic patients [80,81,83-88] and in lymphoblastoid cells [32]. These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    Read more:
    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    Advances in Virus Research, Volume 50

    Pages 83 and 84, read. (Also see the study titled, Simian virus 40 in humans, below on this page)

    Excerpted:

    Moreover, blood and sperm fluid may represent important means for spreading of SV40 in humans.

    Indeed in these investigations, (Martini etal;, 1995,1996) 61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=PfO7D8ZoSMkC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=sv40+is+contagious&source=bl&ots=AlaWsAkp95&sig=RnycQFX2ucD-3zybHQ07FAIeJYk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kZLfT5_mA4qc2QXKz6jtCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sv40%20is%20contagious&f=false

    Scientific proof that the known cancer causing SV40 virus, a previous contaminant in the polio vaccine, is obviously either contagious; or the virus is still in the vaccine/s.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

    There is no evidence whatsoever the the dangerous and at time deadly HPV vaccine has ever or well ever prevent even a single case of cervical cancer. Gardasil should clearly be FDA recalled. They refuse because if that vaccine ever goes down and gets recalled for the contamination issues that it has had, they are going to see a major spotlight in vaccine safety like they have never seen before, ever. And they know it. And still they continue to attempt as well to mandate that said vaccine. How many thousands of Gardasil unrecovered from outcomes, will be enough? How many deaths?

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety- “HPV Vaccine Has Done This to My Child”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

    Hepatitis vaccines can trigger autoimmune hepatitis, as a fact; and you can doubt that all you want.

  • LOL. Oh look its the self made vactruth reply posting police.

    This is what you are having.

    Grandiose delusions
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, I’m giving a real reason. I simply don’t want to discuss this with you if you won’t be civil and clear and specific. The reason is clear, so much of your posts were meandering nonsense and when I did corner you on something you would erupt with a stream of insults. You can call being clear, specific and civil a “sick game” but most would not view it that way.

  • Jonathan Graham

    My requirements are there for a pretty good reason. If you’re not going to be specific – like how you appeared to claim that you had agreed to zero insults. Then refused to say where. I’m happy to respond to one or more of the studies you posted but I don’t think you are capable of a productive conversation. By which I mean one that is clear, civil and specific. I’d guess the one you are the most afraid of is “civil” because you omit it all the time when you try to claim you are or have complied. Given that, your claim that this is a SICK thing to want. Yet it would seem obvious that almost everyone wants this in their day to day discussions with people.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yawn. I said:

    The second you say: “I Lowell Hubs agree to be specific, clear and will use no insults at all” is the second we start talking about your ridiculous studies.

    and you seemed to say that you had already done this. I asked you where and you refused to say exactly where. Hence you are not being specific. That’s what “specific” means in this context. I don’t want you claiming that somewhere in the distant past you said something or proved something. I want to be able to examine the actual text. You are refusing – so you are failing my request to be specific in your responses…as well as civil.

  • Jonathan Graham

    In the post you responded to which was:

    Tell you what, keep all your responses as short as the one I’m responding to now and I’ll not use quoting. As soon as you go “wandering off” the quotes serve to keep the discussion on track.

    which you replied to claiming that it contains quotes from you. In reality, which clearly costs $25.32/minute to call from where you live. Contains no quotes from anyone at all. Perhaps you are confused by the use of quotation marks? Those are being used to denote jargon or a figure of speech. It is entirely normal. Not to mention that generally I use blockquotes when I’m quoting someone here.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry. You should only need three (or four) sentences. To clearly and unambiguously demonstrate that the data which was allegedly removed and changed the outcome was clearly and specifically something other than using the birth certificate cohort.

    Again you are violating the requirement to be specific – which IIRC you claimed you ALWAYS were in ALL your postings.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s simple I asked you for something you refuse to provide. The things I asked for are reasonable and everyday requests most people are civil in their conversations. Most people are required to be sufficiently clear and specific to make their meaning understood. If you don’t want to do these simple and everyday things so badly that it’s more important than finding out where you’re wrong. That’s your affair. Keep being sport for me as long as you like.

  • Thomas Johnson

    C’mon, Lowell. In your own words (not another data dump) explain why you think Hooker’s paper was retracted.

  • You want it in my own words, and when the complete information is right in front of you; you very sick man? Nothing is ever enough is it; you must remain in complete denial. I am not playing your very sick, twisted, and in denial games. Grow up and get a life.

  • In fact all BS aside, I asked you for something, and you said you would provide it, and yet you have not done so. Instead you continue to put forth your endlessly sick false excuses. So show me where I am wrong… you twisted…BULL …Winkle. Get started? How many weeks is it going to take you… and how many more times are you going to continue to dance around the issues?

  • Oh, I see; and so now as the self appointed vactruth reply posting police, you are as well going to as well tell me how many sentences I am limited to, and how many I can reply with. You don’t even have a clue what you are talking about, and because you choose that by choice.

    Here get started with your analysis as well in regard to these studies. Come on, smart guy. You are the purveyor of the science, aren’t you?

    BRAIN’S IMMUNE SYSTEM TRIGGERED IN AUTISM
    http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2004/11_15a_04.html

    Ann Neurol. 2005 Jan;57(1):67-81.Neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
    Vargas DL, Nascimbene C, Krishnan C, Zimmerman AW, Pardo CA.
    Source: Department of Neurology, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, 600 North Wolfe Street, Baltimore, MD 21287, USA.
    http://www.neuro.jhmi.edu/neuroimmunopath/pdf/4%20Neuroglial%20activation%20and%20neuroinflammation%20in%20the%20brain%20of%20patients%20with%20autism.pdf

    Now, you did not see them mention and causation nor vaccines, in the last Johns Hopkins study above; nor did they suggest any causation as to the cause of that said neuroinflammation in the brain. They instead only refer to it as inflammation syndromes. They in this study do not even suggest a cause, and as if they are clueless as to the cause. However, many other studies we can find do show that this said repeat and chronic activation of the brains microgilia, is caused by aluminum adjuvants and thus the vaccines!

    How the aluminum adjuvants cause this said inflammation.

    J Immunol. 2008 Sep 15;181(6):3755-9. Cutting edge: alum adjuvant stimulates inflammatory dendritic cells through activation of the NALP3 inflammasome.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18768827

    Hypothesis Neuro-inflammation, blood-brain barrier, seizures and autism
    http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/8/1/168

    Research The NALP3 inflammasome is involved in neurotoxic prion peptide-induced microglial activation
    http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/9/1/73/abstract

    Current Inorganic Chemistry, 2012, 2, 000-000
    Aluminum Induced Immunoexcitotoxicity in Neurodevelopmental and Neurodegenerative Disorders
    Russell L. Blaylock*
    http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Aluminum-Blaylock.pdf

    Aluminum Induced Immunoexcitotoxicity in Neurodevelopmental and Neurodegenerative Disorders
    http://chiropractorwestpalmbeach.net/2013/06/27/aluminum-induced-immunoexcitotoxicity-in-neurodevelopmental-and-neurodegenerative-disorders/

    Journal of American Nutraceutical Association 6: 21-35, 2003.
    Interaction of Cytokines, Excitotoxins, and Reactive Nitrogen and Oxygen Species in Autism Spectrum Disorders, Russell Blaylock, MD*
    http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=1084

    Session 22, The Vaccine Safety Conference: Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD, CCN
    THE CENTRAL ROLE OF IMMUNOEXCITOTOXICITY IN ALUMINUM AND MERCURY-CONTAINING ADJUVANT-TRIGGERED NEURODEVELOPMENTAL AND NEURODEGENERATIVE DISORDERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9DkcpEEBPI

    Exposure to Mercury and Aluminum in Early Life: Developmental Vulnerability as a Modifying Factor in Neurologic and Immunologic Effects
    http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/2/1295/htm

    How Vaccines Harm Child Brain Development – Dr Russell Blaylock MD
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QBcMYqlaDs

    More studies.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-vaccine-damage—science.html

    Research Article
    The Severity of Autism Is Associated with Toxic Metal Body Burden and Red Blood Cell Glutathione Levels
    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/ (full study)

    Immunol Res. 2013 Jul;56(2-3):304-16. doi: 10.1007/s12026-013-8403-1.
    Aluminum in the central nervous system (CNS): toxicity in humans and animals, vaccine adjuvants, and autoimmunity.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23609067

    The Initial Common Pathway of Inflammation, Disease, and Sudden Death, (full study source)

    Gardasil
    Page 419-420
    2.9. Acute Shock and Role of Endothelial NOS-derived NO in SDS

    http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/8/1399

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    Nanomolar aluminum induces pro-inflammatory and pro-apoptotic gene expression in human brain cells in primary culture
    Walter J. Lukiw a,*, Maire E. Percy b, Theo P. Kruck b
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013405001182

    Entropy 2012, 14(8), 1399-1442; doi:10.3390/e14081399
    Review
    The Initial Common Pathway of Inflammation, Disease, and Sudden Death
    Robert M. Davidson 1,* and Stephanie Seneff
    http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/8/1399

    N Am J Med Sci. 2009 July; 1(2): 28–47.
    What is regressive autism and why does it occur? Is it the consequence of multi-systemic dysfunction affecting the elimination of heavy metals and the ability to regulate neural temperature?
    Graham E. Ewing

    This article explores the issues and concludes that sensory dysfunction and systemic failure, manifested as autism, is the inevitable consequence arising from subtle DNA alteration and consequently from the overuse of vaccines.

    Read more:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/ (Full study)

    Curr Med Chem. 2013;20(32):4030-6.
    Autoimmune (auto-inflammatory) syndrome induced by adjuvants (ASIA)–animal models as a proof of concept.
    Cruz-Tapias P, Agmon-Levin N, Israeli E, Anaya JM, Shoenfeld Y.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23992328

    Neuro-inflammation, blood-brain barrier, seizures and autism
    Theoharis C Theoharides1234* and Bodi Zhang12
    http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/8/1/168

    Microglia in the developing brain: A potential target with lifetime effects
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0161813X12000277

    Evidence of oxidative damage and inflammation associated with low glutathione redox status in the autism brain
    http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v2/n7/full/tp201261a.html

    Aluminum Adjuvant in Vaccines Causes Risk to Children According to New Journal Report
    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/1/prweb9146755.htm

    Autoimmune or auto-inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants (ASIA): Old truths and a new syndrome?
    http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/16063327/1870391070/name/ASIA3.pdf

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    A More Rigorous Defense of Al Adjuvant, and Why it is Wrong
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    How Do Vaccines Work? Immune Mechanisms and Consequences

    by Stephen C. Marini, DC, PhD

    From Dr. Moskowitz’s previous article in Pathways (issue 10), we learned that the theoretical effect of vaccines on the infectious diseases they are designed to protect against is misleading at best

    Read more:
    http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/component/option,com_crossjoomlaarticlemanager/Itemid,375/aid,1369/view,crossjoomlaarticlemanager/

  • I am actually confused about nothing. And now you have progressed to quoting yourself and not me, when you reply. What kind of insanity is that? No, what you are doing, is not normal. I as well know what quotation marks are as well, and what you had replied with contained quotes, from me. What relevance does the said cost of $25.32/minute, have to do with anything? Every reply post you make, gets more twisted.

  • You are clearly one extremely sick man. How twisted, lying, arrogant, delusional, and mindlessly insane can you reply posts yet get?

  • My requires? You can SHOVE your sick requirements. Just get on with debating these issues. You know you can’t. Why is that, because you have nothing, and I do. You are a complete coward, and again you only making false excuses for why you can not in any honesty debate these vaccine issues.

  • You are the person not being civil, or even human. So just face it, you know that you can not actually debate these issues on a scientific level basis, and you will spend another month yet dancing around the same said issue.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Are you trying to say that you were BSing before?

    Anyway sure I’m not complying but only because you can’t be clear, specific and civil. Which are necessary for productive conversation. This condition was added for the same reason that I don’t normally go around asking people to leave their atomic bombs at home when they come over for dinner but would stipulate if I ever met a person who generally carried such a device.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, I’m simply telling you how many sentences it is likely to require. If the answer is so clear and obvious and you seem to imply. You can keep copypasta-ing all you like but all it does is make you look like you no absolutely nothing. Since someone who has read all of those and digested them could easily point out a single short phrase that would prove their point.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I think the list of things you are confused about can just about squeeze into the grand canyon. Sorry if you think the following post contains a quote from you then please point it out:

    Tell you what, keep all your responses as short as the one I’m responding to now and I’ll not use quoting. As soon as you go “wandering off” the quotes serve to keep the discussion on track.

    …and by not providing this information you are violating the “clarity” request. So as demonstrated across a few threads you are being not clear, not specific and not civil. Quite the trifecta.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again I said:

    The second you say: “I Lowell Hubs agree to be specific, clear and will use no insults at all” is the second we start talking about your ridiculous studies.

    and you seemed to say that you had already done that. If that’s not what you meant you should clarify (you’re breaking the clarity rule) and if it is then you should say exactly where (because you’re breaking the specific rule and you’re almost always breaking the civility rule right?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Asking you to be clear, specific and civil is sick? Perhaps you need to talk with therapist. The fact that you want to turn the simplest of requirements into a 10,000 ft. brick wall (in your head) kind of shows how afraid you are. Most people don’t even need to be told to be civil, clear and specific.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I have politely asked you to comply with things that most human conversation takes for granted and only because you violate each and every one pretty badly. The logic is simple:

    i) Conversations lacking civility, specificity and clarity are generally unproductive. If this is incorrect then you should be able to say how a conversation where nobody is civil, specific or clear is productive.

    ii) If they are not productive. Then either you are compliant (which sometimes you claim you are) or you are not.

    iii) If you are, then there is no harm in saying you will comply. In the same way if I asked you to keep on breathing would not motivate you to stop (or if it would – let me know).

    iv) If you are not, compliant then by virtue of i) you must comply if you want a productive conversation.

    v) The only reason to not comply is that you do not want a productive conversation. QED

  • Jenny Higgs

    I can see asking for specifications of what civil and clear mean.

    I do that sometimes because obviously, I am rather socially clueless by definition.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Agreed. I rather suspect that’s not what Lowell is on about. I suspect he’s just offended that anyone should impugn his constitutional right to call people sick and twisted. Normally I don’t mind if someone is insulting or foulmouthed. However I’m not interested in reading and making careful rebuttal to a study when the main response is going to be:

    ‘F$$K your personal sickness, and F$$K your SICK requirements. You are entirely insane.’ – an actual quote from Lowell – or various forms of the “I’ve already proved that but I won’t show you where” gambit.

  • Thomas Johnson

    In your own words to keep you from using your usual tactic of hiding behind another data dump that doesn’t say what you say it does. Why do you think Hooker’s paper was retracted? If you don’t understand why just admit it and we can move on.

  • imho

    Growing up my friend had mumps without incidence. Is there anyone who absolutely shouldn’t have the MMR?

  • Jenny Higgs

    Question: If diseases have declined prior to vaccination, then why would you need to use death charts to make your case?

  • Jenny Higgs

    Umm…according to her profile, she’s a retired nurse.

    Seriously? With all your uber-research skills, you couldn’t figure that out?

  • Sonja Henie

    LOL, it’s right there, up front for everyone to see!

  • CharlieB1972

    Projecting again, Lowell? Grandiose delusions are what the hard-core anti-vaccine cultists have when they imagine themselves smarter than the entire medical establishment!

  • They, the vaccine truther’s are smarter, and clearly much smarter than those within the medical establishment. That is because the medical establishment has been bought off by big pharma from the very first day of medical school. Nothing they learn and in the larger picture is anything but big pharma directed, and brainwashed into their minds. To question that and to actually think outside the box and point to a need of instead natural healing, is considered as literal blasphemy, and the politics within will eventually root out those who deviate from the accepted and allowed protocol of teaching. You as well can not have health care RIGHT, and then also be found in the year 2000 in a large scale study to be the third leading cause of death in the US. Then again in 2003 with use of the same and additional data, the MEDICAL establishment was found to be the leading cause of death in the US, and with a number over and above that for cancer and heart disease deaths. and with just under one million deaths caused per year.

    Death By Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

  • It does not matter. She has had then connections and a career serving big pharma and the so called medical establishment, likely as well connected to their vested interests in vaccines. And simply being retired ends issues of conflict of interest? No it clearly does not. And do you have direct evidence that she is not a paid shill? No you don’t. Some of these past or retired nurses are simply having significant issues with their conscience in having injected 1000’s of infants and children in their career. They are simply not willing to accept that the evidence shows that vaccination clearly does far more harm than good, and even more-so now considering the overloaded CDC vaccine schedule that exists..

  • The central focus of this issue is in that William Thompson admitted to what was done, and that it was the lowest point of his career. There is direct video evidence of his statements and as well that which was recorded verbally and transcribed in writing. That information has been right in front of you. You also have Frank DeStefano in that information stating that he simply did not believe that a normally functioning three year old, could get vaccinated and then develop autism. He said it is genetic and that autism is acquired in the womb. Therefore he claimed that a normal three year old could not possibly have autism, after vaccination. In other words DeStefano was refusing to believe what he was witnessing right in front of him. Therefore the information was disregarding in regard to the said study. What they did in that study was unethical, and because any vaccine connection to autism, simply had to be written off as something else, or entirely ignored.

  • So you are admitting to being a butt hurt coward, and that refuses to debate these issues in any honesty and diligence. If you refuse to do that then just leave. Quit wasting the readers time, with you load of nothing.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’ve already shown that you don’t want a productive conversation.

  • Get over it you butt hurt coward, and that obviously can not actually debate these matters; and so you come up with any false excuse you can find. Here is another good study for you. I thought you were supposed to be the purveyor of the vaccine science? Looks like you obviously can not even get to first base.

  • J Inorg Biochem. 2013 Nov;128:237-44. doi: 10.1016/j.jinorgbio.2013.07.022. Epub 2013 Jul 19.

    Administration of aluminium to neonatal mice in vaccine-relevant amounts is associated with adverse long term neurological outcomes.

    Shaw CA1, Li Y, Tomljenovic L.

    Abstract

    Our previous ecological studies of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) has demonstrated a correlation between increasing ASD rates and aluminium (Al) adjuvants in common use in paediatric vaccines in several Western countries. The correlation between ASD rate and Al adjuvant amounts appears to be dose-dependent and satisfies 8 of 9 Hill criteria for causality. We have now sought to provide an animal model to explore potential behavioural phenotypes and central nervous system (CNS) alterations using s.c. injections of Al hydroxide in early postnatal CD-1 mice of both sexes. Injections of a “high” and “low” Al adjuvant levels were designed to correlate to either the U.S. or Scandinavian paediatric vaccine schedules vs. control saline-injected mice. Both male and female mice in the “high Al” group showed significant weight gains following treatment up to sacrifice at 6 months of age. Male mice in the “high Al” group showed significant changes in light-dark box tests and in various measures of behaviour in an open field. Female mice showed significant changes in the light-dark box at both doses, but no significant changes in open field behaviours. These current data implicate Al injected in early postnatal life in some CNS alterations that may be relevant for a better understanding of the aetiology of ASD.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=23932735

  • I could care less about your obvious butt hurt insanity, and nor your twisted and cowardly demands. Be man, instead of a pansy; and just get to debating the actual vaccine issues. For how many more weeks are you going to continue to dance around this, and with the same old bull crap excuses?.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry there’s nothing false about wanting a specific, civil and clear conversation. Pretty much everyone expects that every day in the vast majority of their conversations. Anyway, I think you’ve already admitted that you have no interest in a productive conversation. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, if you’re not interested in a productive conversation. Then you really should have just said so earlier. :-)

  • Again, for how many more weeks are you going to continue to reply with this garbage and all while simply dancing around again and again with your false excuses as to why you continue to refuse to debate the vaccine issue, and as well the real vaccine studies, and real science?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again I said:

    The second you say: “I Lowell Hubs agree to be specific, clear and will use no insults at all” is the second we start talking about your ridiculous studies.

    …and you seemed to agree. If not, then you should clarify. You’ve claimed that you are always clear and specific. One more place where you are wrong. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, for how many more weeks

    I suppose when we start talking about a study depends on when you are going to agree to having a productive conversation.

  • So what you are telling me again is that you do not have the ability and obviously the honesty to actually address these studies. The vaccine issue and the vaccine truth science is not about me, it is about the actual science. I have never seen a sicker form of attempted false discrediation and refusal to face the real science and what it is showing us directly. It obviously does not take a rocket scientist, and nor any medical degree; and by the way to understand and to follow these studies, and in and as to what they are directly showing for information. You refuse the reality of that; so just admit it.

  • So again what you are stating here is that you can not and do not have the ability to directly respond to the information I just posted. You are saying that you refuse to. How much more clear and directly specific can and could it ever be? it is all right in front of you. So if you are not going to debate these vaccine issues, and in your saying that you are refusing to; then why are you wasting my time and the readers time, by continuing to reply post? So just leave.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Actually yeah it is about you. You are the person who thinks there is something somewhere on the internet that clearly and unambiguously demonstrate that the data which was allegedly removed and changed the outcome was clearly and specifically something other than using the birth certificate cohort. However you have no interest in showing the EXACT spot where this happens. So despite saying many times that you are clear and specific. You are neither. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m saying that given how much you are trying to avoid a productive conversation – by not being clear, civil and specific. I simply see no reason to engage. The second you agree, I will. You are the only person with something to lose here.

  • These studies are not about the Thompson and Hooker issues. These studies involve other significant vaccine safety issues issues. You simply do not get away with a refusal to address those studies, and then just change the subject matter to your own choosing. So how many more false excuses do you have left, and to keep on dancing around the real vaccine safety issues?

    I have addressed the specifically the study titled, Age at First Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccination in Children With Autism and School-Matched Control Subjects: A Population-Based Study in Metropolitan Atlanta. That study in relationship to the below study. I did in the reply posts addresses to Thomas Johnson, and you can go and read them there. I am not rehashing the very same thing with you, and over again

    Measles-mumps-rubella vaccination timing and autism among young african american boys: a reanalysis of CDC data
    Brian S Hooke
    http://translationalneurodegeneration.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2047-9158-3-16

  • Obviously my replies have been more than specific and productive. If you can handle the reality of that, then just move on. This is about the vaccine issues; it is not about me. But of course by demanding to focus only on me, you get a refusing to actually address what I have put forth. How unproductive, is that? Of course your own level hypocrisy simply can be over looked, and when you remain as falsely arrogant as you actually are. Do you sit on this article 24 hours a day; how is it that you are immediately back in any time I reply post, nearly 24 hours a day? Obsessed with me just a little, are you? That’s good; I wouldn’t have intended done my job here, if you weren’t.

  • So you are telling me that you have no ability to respond to the information and the studies in my replies, because they are not clear and specific enough. How beyond in denial insane is that claim? And do you actually expect any readers here, to believe that entirely lying and twisted garbage?

  • I have been direct and to the point all along, and what I have put forth has been in no uncertain terms. I am interested in a productive debate in regard to vaccines and vaccine safety, and you refuse to do anything but focus on going after me personally. That is some really sick stuff you have going on. You are what you are, I am not interested in a conversation; I am reply posting in the form of a debate. There is a difference.

  • And in your insane and continued ramblings here, you refuse to admit to the fact that it is only you that has failed to directly debated the vaccine issues. Instead you only focus on me. Just when you thought these trolling vaccine shills, could not be and or get any more mindless, and any sicker.

  • All you have shown is clearly that you do not want one. You refuse.

  • Not being clear? How much more clear can it be? And all the while you continue to reply post and bury back in the list the studies that you were asked to address. Studies that you said you would address and would so called discuss; and when you seen what they were, you simply refused and put the focus only on me personally. You are obviously sick. It is as well long past time for you to be banned as well. You refuse to allow for any productive debate here on the articles of this site, and you are simply making a mockery of any such effort. .

  • CharlieB1972

    Now THAT is what I call Dunning-Kruger!

  • Thomas Johnson

    Why do you think Hooker’s paper was retracted, Lowell?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry, you have repeatedly refused to clarify. That is not going to be a productive discussion. Ergo, you are not interested in one. Nobody is attacking you just refusing to participate with someone who refuses to clarify (among other things). Again, agree to my three requests and we are on. Nobody else even needs to be asked. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again there is nothing insane about wanting specific, civil and clear conversation. You refuse. So the only conversation we can have is this one. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    I refuse to have a discussion with you about a particular topic that by definition is unproductive. Notice even here in this meta-discussion you can’t be civil, or clear – you refuse to address points or specific you refuse to show exactly where something is being said.

    I also produced a logical proof that you don’t want a productive discussion. Which you can not address specifically, clearly or with civility. So again heaps upon heaps of evidence that you’re not interested in a productive conversation.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, either prove that we can talk productively without being at all clear, civil or specific or agree that your refusal means you have no interest in having a productive conversation.

  • Already done that multiple times. Again, if you want to be and act like a completely arrogant arse hole, then you will continue to get the same responses that and you have, and do.

  • What a sick and cowardly LIAR. You sound like a stuck and still repeatedly playing record, and that now for how many weeks has this been? The thing is that you have to look in the mirror and know what you are, each and every say, and where iI have nee never even needed to consider that, and because I present with nothing but the available independent and unbiased truh

  • Jonathan Graham

    Which is it? You have agreed multiple times that you have no interest in a productive conversation or you have proven that people can talk productively without being at all clear, at all specific or at all civil.

    Notice how your lack of being specificity and clarity impeded the conversation. :-)

  • Nice try and full of BS. Not going to work, and you should know that.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I have asked you many times to point out specific points and you have not done so. It’s plain to see in the thread. You refuse to address these – so you refuse to be specific. No liars here, sorry. :-)

  • To clarify? To clarify what? I am obviously interested in the real and existing vaccine safety sceice; and you?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Why is anything I said there BS? Notice you give no reason at all? Again, you are not being clear or specific or civil. Just more reason for people to think you can’t carry a productive conversation.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Every time I ask you to point out something specific. You ignore. Several times you’ve claimed that you’ve done something. When I ask to show me where. Ignored. Clearly I’m not going to discuss something like a research paper with someone who will simply claim a large block of text proves their point and then when asked “Where?” simply ignores the question. :-)

    Again, until you agree to the three requests. You’re just looking for something other than a productive conversation. Sorry. :-)

  • I already told you and with all the references you should ever need. At least I don’t and unlike you, have to wake up in the morning and looking in the mirror. have to realize the fraud and the lies that you represent, so called Johnson.

  • I obviously have ignored absolutely nothing; you extremely sick and in denial, lying, and twisted man.

  • Classic vaccine shilling response, and that was the best you could do. How pathetic.

  • Again, the ONLY person that is obviously avoiding anything here. is YOU.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry. It’s the truth. I’m happy to quote all the questions you’ve not responded to but every time I quote you. You have some kind of breakdown – even a few times where I haven’t quoted anyone. Sooo….let me know.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The only thing I’m avoiding is discussing a study with someone who can’t carry on a productive conversation as defined by being clear,civil and specific.

  • Really? Then lets discuss this, you pathetic liar? Get started.

    How Vaccine Adjuvants Affect Your Brain
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/29/vaccine-adjuvants-brain-effects.aspx

  • So when are you going to actually respond to and address the actual science and the scientific studies I have put in front of you, and as well the analysis of the existing epidemiological studies I have put in front of you. Just admit it, you are a coward that is only interested in falsely attacking me personally/ Why? Because you know that you can actually and in any honesty respond to nothing I have put forth. You as well know that you have nothing.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Happy to, except that you haven’t agreed to be clear, civil and specific and you were insulting in your last post. Clearly I don’t have a problem spending the 40s it takes to respond to your posts where you bully and boast, make vague statements then refuse to clarify and claim unearned victory but that’s the whole Lowell Hubbs show. Isn’t it? Talking about anything else would just be the same little acts with different words. Agree to give up those safety blankets and we can talk about something else.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and you just ignored my question and instead responded with more bullying. You know when I’ll address a study. When you agree to what I’ve asked or point out where you clearly have done so.

    Nobody is attacking you. I’m just stating facts. Any persecution is in your imagination.

  • Thomas Johnson

    “I already told you and with all the references you should ever need.”

    Classic Hubbs. C’mon Lowell. Why do you think Hooker’s paper was retracted?

  • CharlieB1972

    It’s true. I’d not take medical advice from the hard-core anti-vaccine cult any more than I would take advice from a lawyer on how to fix my pipes.

  • CharlieB1972

    LOL, Mercola! He has a MASSIVE conflict of interest. His bank balance goes up from selling more of his JUNK supplements when he runs vaccines down. I wonder how many anti-vaxxers are paid shills for Big Supplement!

  • Oh I see, Dr Mercola who sells health care supplements online, and which actually work and do far more good that most pharmaceuticals, he has an alleged massive level of conflict of interest, and all while big pharma, Paul Offit, the FDA, and Pediatrics have no conflicts of interest that should be in your mind at all concerning. What a complete hypocrite.

    And so you can not address the real physiologically based science, and you can not at all address directly the article with any form of refute, andor counter studies; but you simply and again just throw only false discreditation at it all. That is all you can EVER do.

  • So instead you take your advice from corrupt sources with everything to lose, such as the CDC, WHO, etc. And you simply trust that the FDA is actually protecting the public, and no matter how large the pile of human health carnage that is left behind. So then simply start with listing all of your conflicts of interest? That should give us a much better picture of what really goes on with you.

  • CharlieB1972

    False discreditation is accusing anyone who disagrees with you about vaccines of being a Big Pharma shill. You do it all the time. Should we both be banned for engaging in false discreditation?

  • CharlieB1972

    The difference between pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine doctors is that the former group doesn’t have online “stores” where they try to become millionaires by selling supplements of dubious value. The latter group does. How much is Mercola paying you to shill for his products, Lowell?

  • CharlieB1972

    The FDA is doing a much better job of protecting the public health than the anti-vaxxers!

  • You simply can not deny how cowardly you really are, and that the truth is that you obviously have no ability to address any of the epidemiological studies analysis information, and nor the studies that I put in front of you. It is just a sick and false excuse, period. If you were not willing to do that, the you should not have been replying on any of these articles. You are nothing but a waste of time.

  • Just more LIES, all of it

    Get to reading this linked to analysis of all the known larger epidemiological studies, and respond to it in refute without making any more false excuses.

    Simply put, they at the CDC have zero existing studies in regard to the actually multiple vaccines safety of the current CDC vaccine schedule. They have zero existing safety studies in regard the known practice of injecting into a small child anywhere from 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines, in a single day and office visit. They never will have any such studies.

    As for their known epidemiological studies.

    And what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDc vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

    Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiological studies were clearly COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

    We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”

    — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

    “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these

    studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”

    — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

    “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine

    doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”

    — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    14 Studies
    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

  • What do you not understand about those studies, and because you selectively choose not to even review any of it, and comprehend it? Aluminum vaccine adjuvants cause over-activation of the brains microglia cells, and which is part of the brains own immune system. This combines as well with cytokine re-activity resulting from multiple vaccines, continues that cycle and with resulting brain inflammation, and which can be long term. That said inflammation has been has been found even in a Johns Hopkins study, and in every case of autism they looked at. Aluminum adjuvants cause non specific hyper-re-activity within immune system, and resulting dysregulation. Multiple studies have put this entire picture together as to what is happening. You simply refuse the information, and you know it. Provide me as well even one single counter study that shows where this issue has been studied and found to be not true. Where are the applicable vaccine safety studies, showing vaccine aluminum adjuvant safety? Just because the study title has vaccine or aluminum adjuvant safety in the wording, does not mean the study has ever looked specifically at this said issue.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Dude. You haven’t even read that stuff and since you keep responding you are either irrational or lying when you say that this is a waste of time.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s a lie to say that you haven’t agreed to be civil, specific and clear. I can show you many places where you have effectively told me to stuff my requests. Hence I am not lying and you are in error. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry, agree to be clear, civil and specific and we can talk on many things. Refuse and this is the only conversation we can have.

  • That wasn’t clear enough for you. LOL. You are a joke.

  • Jonathan Graham

    What I want, is for you to agree to be clear civil and specific. Please read before you respond this time. :-)

  • Just keep on making it all up as you go. The only break down going going here, is in regard to you inability to face vaccine reality, and to provide even one single reply that directly refutes my information and supports the pro-vaccine agenda. Whoever hired you as a shill should demand a refund. Or are you simply running your own beyond whacked and crazed, reply posting crazy train?

  • More LIES, and nothing but lies. I told you I am not playing your sick game, period. You deal with it as it is or you can leave. But then you have likely been simply assigned to me, and of course your paycheck depends on keeping this going.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nothing’s made up. There are lots of posts of you whining about quoting – even when neither you or anyone else is being quoted. There are no refutations because you can’t agree to be clear, civil and specific. Without which any conversation about any topic just becomes….well…what you’re already doing. :-)

  • Everything I put for is and has been more than specific and clear. As for your demanding to be civil, I have been more than civil, and until you started playing the games that you have, and that is where it ended. Do like the result, then leave. Just simply stop replying. Why is it that you refuse to? Does your paycheck depend on it?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m happy to quote where you have done exactly what I’ve described. If you’re ok with that. Or may saying the word “lies” a lot makes you feel good. In which case knock yourself out. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. I have asked you to clarify several points and you regularly refuse. Again I can quote all of these. As for civil? There are few posts where you don’t make an insulting comment. As much as you would prefer to blame these things on someone, anyone but yourself. You are still the one typing. I’m happy to discuss studies if you agree to what I asked. If you, as you claim are already an exemplar of these virtues – then agreeing loses you nothing.

  • Well guess what hypocrite, prior to you making that requirement, you were insulting me as well. So then just leave, you are wasting my time and your own as well; and that as well the time of the readers who came here to these articles to see and read debate of the actual vaccine issues.

  • You don’t even have any specific points to make in regard to the vaccine issues, you delusional man. In your mind it is only all about me.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, if you really can talk about these issues clearly and specifically and civilly then simply agree – you lose nothing.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, I’m simply not addressing the research because you can’t seem to speak specifically, clearly and civilly. As evidenced by your refusal to clarify things when asked, specify things when asked and your near constant stream of insults.

  • Again everything I have put forth in regard to the vaccine issue has been more than clear and directly specific.

    If I did not want a productive conversation known as a debate in regard to the vaccine issues, believe me I would not waste my time in being here and reply posting on these articles. You are wasting my time each and every time you type a reply, in regard to that. You know very well that was all you came here to do, and simply to waste my time.with your nonsense. You have clearly shown that you have no ability to actually debate these vaccine issues with me, and as they stand, and in any honesty, and you know it The only thing here that is impeding the conversation, is your own sick refusal to give it up.

  • You will accept what stands as replied and replied to you, and in front of you for information, data, and studies, and you will directly respond to it directly; or you can just leave. Period. You refuse to actually debate the vaccine issues, which means that YOU have no interest in a productive debate. WE are not having just a conversation. These articles involve directly putting forth information and with as well referenced sources for that and more information. What part of that do you not understand? A conversation is something where you simply want to focus on me. A debate is where people actually focus directly on the vaccine issues, and without endlessly putting forth false excuses for not participating in that debate.

  • Key words, you refuse. That was already obvious now, already weeks ago. In your obviously warped mind you have produced a lot of things that are clearly BS, and that is all you have produced. Ruining the reply posting section of all the articles is clearly the only real goal you have ever had. Creating nothing but a diversion and a complete distraction away from the article, and anything that has been reply posted here, with vaccine truth value, and substance. That is what vaccine shills do.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry that simply isn’t true. I asked you to provide a few sentences demonstrating that what information that Thompson felt was withheld from the published Destefano et al. study which he claim changed the outcome was something other than the data lost between using and not using the birthcertificate cohort. You can’t because a) You haven’t read the stuff you post and b) because you are not civil, clear nor specific. :-)

  • No, you refuse, and quite obviously. You have already had specific and clear conversation from me. You rejected it. You actually have no regard for the vaccine truth. That is not what you are here for. Again the reply posting section of these articles are not for simply for conversation, they are for the debate of the actual vaccine issues; and which you endlessly have refused to do.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, you can either agree to talk productively – that you will be clear – provide information and specific examples when asked, not just sweeping generalizations, specific – not just dumps of copypasta but an actual reasoned argument and civil – zero insults or point out where you have agreed to this.

    Or the only conversation we can have is this one. Where you alternate between bullying, claiming that you’ve complied, refusing to agree to comply and pretending that you aren’t the major obstacle to useful communication here.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry but when I’ve asked you to clarify something you refuse – so you are not sufficiently clear. When I’ve asked you to pull out a specific example – you ignore – so you are not sufficiently specific and you respond with regular insults. So you are not sufficiently civil.

    All of these things can be supported with direct quotes from yourself. At no point have I refused to discuss with you if you agree to my requests.

  • Refused to clarify, what?? You either debate the vaccine issues that I have put in front of you, or you can leave. There is no point to you reply posting further if you are not going to do that. I don’t want to read any more of your sick excuses, and I don’t want to read 100 more replies from you and in burying my replied with information.No one wants to read 100 more of your replies and in repeatedly making false excuses for your failure to actually debate the vaccine issues on these articles.

  • And again you are …LYING. Everything that you were provided in my reply posts, was directly refused to be responded to, and with the acceptation of one reply which threw nothing but false discreditation at the authors of the study. Face it you have nothing, and you have zero ability to actually debate these vaccine issue matters. How many more weeks should we wait for that to happen, and while you submit 100 more reply posts with nothing of substance in them, and nothing at all pertinent to the vaccine issues?

  • And again you sound like the same old twisted, lies filled, and broken record playing and that was playing two weeks ago, and still you have not replied to and nor addressed any of the vaccine issues.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Notice what I’m about to do. It’s called “addressing your question” it’s the opposite of “ignoring” which is what you usually do when I ask for clarification So for example, when talking about the so-called CDC whistleblower you were asked for a few sentences which would clearly and specifically indicate that the information which was left out of DeStefano et. al. which changed the outcome for black boys was NOT the data removed by selecting the birth certificate cohort.

    You clearly want to read what I’m writing – because you read it and you clearly absolutely adore having this discussion hugely because you won’t agree to the simplest of requests. You could have done so at any time.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No lies. I’ll post quotes where you don’t clarify, are not specific and are not civil. Is that what you want me to do?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yes, as I said. This is the only conversation that can be had unless you agree to being civil, specific and clear. However clearly you enjoy this conversation more – since it would cost you nothing to agree to my request. :-)

  • And you can not even post a reply that is coherent. Look at the wording of that reply; are you kidding? Are you actually an electronic reply bot?

    Everybody that has read and researched the issues of that study, knows what was left out of that study. William Thompson stated it as well in his audio recorded statements, and in the transcripts of what he stated. That was all referenced and replied with the sources for that information, previously. But of course you ignored it and buried all of that already, and with about 60 reply posts behind us, and at this point.

    August 27, 2014 Press Release, “Statement of William W. Thompson, Ph.D., Regarding the 2004 Article Examining the Possibility of a Relationship Between MMR Vaccine and Autism”

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-AUGUST 27,2014

    STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM

    My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and

    Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

    I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

    Read more:
    http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

    The Thompson Transcripts: Shocking Revelations by the CDC Whistleblower

    When trying to get this story out, as mainstream media looked the other way, our community faced a tidal wave of astroturfing on Facebook pages, Twitter and media sites. Bloggers and “shills” sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry quickly moved to hijack and reframe this incredible story, branding it with their favorite word: “debunked.”

    Read more:
    http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/the-thompson-transcripts-shocking-revelations-by-the-cdc-whistleblower/

    And what about this long list of studies, which have been ignored?

    Callous Disregard-Research Studies
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    CDC Whistleblower revealed

    SENIOR GOVERNMENT SCIENTIST BREAKS 13 YEARS OF SILENCE ON CDC’S VACCINE-AUTISM FRAUD

    AFRICAN AMERICAN BOYS WILLFULLY EXPOSED TO HIGH RISK OF AUTISM FROM MMR VACCINE

    https://vimeo.com/user5503203/review/103711143/91f7d3d4d8

    Pediatrics. 2004 Feb;113(2):259-66.

    Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan atlanta.

    DeStefano F1, Bhasin TK, Thompson WW, Yeargin-Allsopp M, Boyle C.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754936

    VACCINE WHISTLEBLOWER BOOK EXPOSES 32 YEARS OF CDC’S SCIENCE FRAUD

    In August 2014, it was revealed that senior Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) scientist William Thompson had been having numerous conversations with vaccine critic Brian Hooker in which Thompson noted that the data from one of his studies had been massaged prior to publication in order to conceal a link between the MMR vaccine and autism in black boys.

    In a new book, Vaccine Whistleblower: Exposing the Autism Research Fraud at the CDC, attorney Kevin Barry examines the content of ten months worth of conversations between Thompson and Hooker, which were recorded prior to September 2014.

    Hooker is a bioengineer and a professor of biology and chemistry at Simpson University. He has spent 12 years using Freedom of Information Act requests to obtain data on studies the CDC has conducted on a possible link between vaccines and autism, and he has submitted many of his findings to Congress.

    Omitted data shows autism link

    Read more:
    http://personalhealthrecords.in/2016/02/20/vaccine-whistleblower-book-exposes-32-years-of-cdcs-science-fraud/

    The article alone details the level of corruption that has gone on with the 2004 study known and as titled,

    Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan atlanta. Pediatrics. 2004 Feb;113(2):259-66.

    CDC Responds to Allegation it Omitted Vaccine-Autism Study Link

    https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-responds-to-allegation-it-omitted-vaccine-autism-study-link/

    (Audio) CDC Addresses Allegations on Vaccine-Autism Link Omission

    Click the link in the page to hear audio of Sharyl Attkisson telephone interview with CDC’s Dr. Frank DeStefano about his questioned MMR-autism study, Aug. 26, 2014. He simply stated that he did not think it possible for a three year old to acquire autism, and that it was in his mind simply not possible, and regardless of the study evidence in front of him. He states that autism is genetic, and starts in the womb. Something as well that he has no study evidence for, and to back that claim up with. Nothing as well that has ever been accepted as any conclusive evidence and proof for.

    https://sharylattkisson.com/audio-cdc-addresses-allegations-on-vaccine-autism-link-omission/

  • I have more than clarified everything, and I as well explained directly what was to be found in those aluminum adjuvant related studies. Those studies should have been self evident to you what they were showing the evidence of. Just admit it, you ignored them, and you turn around and ask me to interpret for you what was obvious and right in front of you. As if to say that no study stands as valid, unless you have a direct analysis of the studies findings put forth by me. So, what we have had going on there is actually not a debate regarding the studies, but a direct attack on me in falsely claiming I do not understand the studies, and thus so somehow that negates the validity and the credibility of the study or studies. The studies are not about me, they are about vaccines, and the vaccine ingredients. And do you actually think the and any readers here, will not see directly the sick game you are playing. And so why are you deserving of any respect at all here, and when clearly you are not, you never have been; and you never will be? .

  • Ok, what exactly are you saying is not clear and specific about what I have put forth? Go ahead and directly detail that? You are not deserving of any respect, and for the reasons I just told you of. However, even with that and unlike you, I can still directly put forth and debate the vaccine issues. I do not ask for any respect from you, and i simply do not expect any; and that is because there is not a single vaccine shill that has ever been capable of producing that, anywhere. Unlike you, I can still function in that environment and get my point across. It is simply expected and the norm with the territory and vaccine subject matters we are dealing with. So, why don’t you grow some balls, quit crying around, and simply just get on with debating the vaccine issues? Either that, or leave.

  • Well, quote them then; make yourself into a bigger fool than you already have. The only thing that has been regularly refused is in your refusal to actually face and debate the vaccine issues.

    Like I said, quit your crying around, grow some balls, and be a man. No more excuses. You can start debating directly the vaccine issues, or you can stop reply posting. No one wants to read any more of your replies with only your twisted and repeatedly false excuses in them.

  • Well quit talking about it for the next 8 reply posts, and just do it. I want to see nothing but where you say I have been non specific and that I have not answered your questions and with sufficient information. If there is reference material as well in the reply post, do not just butcher that out of there, and hack only bits and pieces of the reply posts into one reply post. I as well do not want to see anything that is deliberately out of the correct context, and as to that in which it was originally written in.

  • Jonathan Graham

    There are a number of things but for the third time tonight I’ll point out that when talking about the so-called CDC whistleblower. You were asked for a few sentences which would clearly and specifically indicate that the information which was left out of DeStefano et. al. which changed the outcome for black boys was NOT the data removed by selecting the birth certificate cohort. You did not produce that clarifying information. The key point being that the clarity and specificity comes from the response being short. QED.

    So no, you have not been specific, clear or civil. Nobody is asking you to respect anyone other than to agree to be clear, specific and civil. Without which no productive conversation can be had. You might consider stopping the bullying too but that’s optional. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    The reason we’re talking about it is that I keep my word – including when I agreed that if you kept your responses short I would not quote you. As I’ve now stated four times tonight – one example is when talking about the so-called CDC whistleblower you were asked for a few sentences which would clearly and specifically indicate that the information which was left out of DeStefano et. al. which changed the outcome for black boys was NOT the data removed by selecting the birth certificate cohort. All you’ve done is quote or link a bunch things. This is not *specific* or *clear* – it does not clearly address the point and it is not specific to the point.

    I’m happy to quote where I’ve asked for that and you respond with large amounts of word vomit. I’m rather certain that most quotes you will claim are “butchering”. Since you made a similar claim when you were not being quoted at all. :-)

  • Everything you say is made up and twisted. So, here we have it again. Instead of debating the issue of vaccines, here we have so called Jonathan Graham attempting to perform a personal analysis on me personally, and my personal reply posting.

    [There are no refutations because you can’t agree to be clear] ???

    Do you even have any idea how entirely insane your replies are sounding? And that just continues to get worse and worse. You really need to be banned from vactruth, period. For as well your deliberate attempt and your failure to debate the vaccine issues in now what are near endless reply posts.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Are you claiming that you have never refused to comply with my request for you to be clear, specific and civil? Lets see what we have here…

    F$$K your SICK requirements.

    You can SHOVE your sick requirements.

    Want some more?

  • Jonathan Graham

    No everything I say can be quoted straight from you…I made these three requirements and you said:

    You can SHOVE your sick requirements.

    F$$K your SICK requirements.

    QED

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. You never provided the clarity and specificity I asked for. Posting a bunch of things that you hope answer my question. Is not being clear or specific. QED.

  • Again. I have been since day one with you very clear and specific. It is you that has actually failed on every level in regard to being clear and specific on the vaccine issues. These articles and their reply posting sections are for debate of the vaccine issues. This reply section is NOT for your continual and false berating of my replies personally; and without any substance at all in regard to the actual vaccine issues. As for civil, considering what you obviously are, this is as civil as it is ever going to get. Don’t like it, then leave. You have clearly refused to debate the vaccine issues, and so there is no point to you continuing to be here and reply posting on these articles. You simply twist it all around in and to a form where your said failure continues to falsely be claimed as my fault. That is not the case. Either directly debate the vaccine issues, or get gone. Simple as that.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry, simply untrue. I have now asked you five or six times tonight provide a few sentences from Thompson which would clearly and specifically indicate that the information which was left out of DeStefano et. al. which changed the outcome for black boys was NOT the data removed by selecting the birth certificate cohort.

    You can not clearly or specifically point out these few sentences anywhere in anything you’ve posted. QED.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You have been asked to be clear, civil and specific. Your response to these requests has been:

    You can SHOVE your sick requirements.

    F$$K your SICK requirements.

    You have been repeatedly asked to clarify things for example, when talking about the so-called CDC whistleblower you were asked for a few sentences which would clearly and specifically indicate that the information which was left out of DeStefano et. al. which changed the outcome for black boys was NOT the data removed by selecting the birth certificate cohort.

    You have not provided this only pretended to by posting a bunch of copypasta but not the clear and specific sentences I asked for. QED

  • No, no, no, THAT is not going to work. You said and were referring to issues that you claimed I was not specific on and clear enough about in regard to the VACCINE issues. Again, all you have there is a personal attack on me. That does not address the vaccines issues that have been reply posted on.

    As far as the CDC whistle blower issue, I posted exactly what you were asking for, on a previous date in the reply posting section. I again tonight, and in fact just over an hour ago approximately; I reply posted all of that again and right in front of you. You again ignored what was right in front of you, and you are LYING. Have you not read your replies first, and before you reply posted here?

  • You need to actually read the previous reply posts that have been directed to you; and before you reply post. That was previously replied with on previous date, and again tonight and just a short time ago. It has been there and right in front of you.

  • What in the hell is actually wrong with you, anyway. Nothing would ever be enough. That directly covers the question you asked, and precisely so. So what exactly wasn’t covered? There isn’t anything left, to cover, so state it specifically!

  • So what. Your sick demand will NOT be met, and you will debate the vaccine issues and just as I do precisely and specifically; all of which you have failed to do. You will not continue to be butt hurt crying and whining around and in make false excuses to refuse to debate the vaccines issues, and as these reply posting sections of the articles are intended for. You will be replied to exactly the way you deserve to be and as you have earned it to be. Don’t like it, then get gone and stop reply posting to me. There is no point to you being here.

  • So you lied. You can not point to where I have not been specific and clear enough. If you have some the right answer, then why aren’t you providing it. You can’t even answer your own question, and because you know what you are stating is all crazy BS.

    And that wasn’t good enough for you.

    My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and

    Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

    I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

    Read more:
    http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

  • AGAIN. IF THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU CAN SHOVE IT. And you actually still demand respect in this vactruth reply posting arena. And why would and should anyone respect someone like you, and someone as obviously subhuman as you?

    My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and

    Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

    I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

    Read more:
    http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

  • Your brand of obviously twisted sickness, clearly needs to be banned from this vactruth site.

  • Go ahead and post that in regard to the issue of vaccines. The vactruth site and the issue of vaccines is not about me, it is about vaccines. As you have been told and shown, the issue of the CDC whistle blower situation has been entirely answered to, previously, and again today. So tell me, why is it are you so sickly obsessed with me?

  • Wow are you beyond delusional. There is nothing to adore about you and nor this so called discussion with you. You were told that you will be replied to exactly as you deserve. That is not going to change, As you don’t like it, then just simply leave. How simple is that? If you refuse to debate the vaccine issues and in honesty, and you do refuse that; then you have no place here but to further waste everyone’s time.

  • How about if you add that you so called Jonathan, will not ignore, distort, and lie about what has actually been reply posted to you?

  • transportjohnny

    https://www.google.com/search?q=wreck+it+ralph&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiY_OyCiqfLAhUESiYKHRB9ASsQ_AUIBygB&biw=1536&bih=733#imgrc=lvtpaSXbduitoM%3

    APoint one, he is from Canada. They don’t understand individual freedoms and they love paying 50% income tax for guaranteed healthcare but when they need something very critical, they come to the US.

    Point two…..He looks too much like wreck-it-Ralph….quit arguing with Ralph and let him be……..Look at the smile and the chin…..

  • transportjohnny

    To make the point that vaccines have NOT saved lives but the overall care of those infected has had a much greater effect on the mortality rates.

    Great 4 watt question though!!!

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yawn. The difference between what I said and what you are saying is that what I said fits the facts. You like this conversation which is why it persists. As there is zero cost to you in agreeing to be civil, specific and clear – as I’ve defined them. You either prefer this conversation over talking about your list of studies or you are being irrational. In contrast I’ve only stated that I would prefer a conversation about a research paper if and only if you can agree to zero insults (civil), adding detail when requested (clear) and to be able to focus on addressing a specific part of an argument when requested – not just dumping large amounts of information with the idea that the short specific answer is in there somewhere (specific).

    So it’s not delusion – just that you don’t read – more reason talking with you about something more complicated is not going to be interesting.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sure. However I haven’t done those things – you could attempt to demonstrate but that would require for you to be clear and specific.

    I’ll also point out that largely those things require intent so even if you could point out some place where I made an error in representing what you said (not what you wanted to say but the actual words you wrote). It would be difficult to demonstrate that the change was deliberate and malicious. Just sayin’

  • Jonathan Graham

    Not lies, it’s just you have a reading comprehension problem. Please point out, in the above quoted portion specifically where it says that the information that was omitted was NOT due to reporting only on the birth certificate cohort. There is not any information in that quote to rule that out. He is talking about omitting reporting on the whole sample rather than just the birth certificate cohort (actually he’s talking about reporting on the significance of that sample).

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you agree, not everything I say is made up and twisted because you agree you will not be civil and clear and specific. Which means you can not carry on a productive conversation. QED

  • Jonathan Graham

    Please point out, in the above quoted portion specifically where it says that the information that was omitted was NOT due to reporting only on the birth certificate cohort. There is not any information in that quote to rule that out. He is talking about omitting reporting on the whole sample rather than just the birth certificate cohort (actually he’s talking about reporting on the significance of that sample).

    Please learn to read.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again it would cost you nothing to agree to my request. Ergo you must enjoy these conversations more than talking about vaccines. Fine with me.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Please point out, in the poor quote you made about Thompson where it says that the information that was omitted was NOT due to reporting only on the birth certificate cohort. There is not any information in that quote to rule that out. He is talking about omitting reporting on the whole sample rather than just the birth certificate cohort (actually he’s talking about reporting on the significance of that sample).

  • Jonathan Graham

    If you really gave me exactly what I asked for wrt Thompson. Please point out where it says that the information that was omitted was NOT due to reporting only on the birth certificate cohort. Your quote does not state this. Hence you did not provide what was asked for – because you simply do not read what I write.

    If you can’t do this and point out where this point was addressed then you have – yet again – failed to be specific.

    QED.

  • That is not what you originally asked for, and you just keep moving the goal posts, and as if what you ask for actually has any relevance and significance. It does not. The quotes and as to the direct information put in front of you, are entirely damning and clearly specific as to what actually took place with that study. If that is not good enough for you then directly explain what your point is, and how that justifies what Frank DeStefano said and did (as to the study) and as is in the information I gave you?

  • Go back and answer to my previous reply.

  • It would COST you nothing to reply with an honesty and direct reply to the studies I put in front of you. Instead you continue on for days and days making false and made up excuses as to why you can not do so. No I do not enjoy responding to your intentionally deceptive BS, believe me; and no matter how much you want to create only more of your your own sick and twisted delusions.

  • Why don’t you please learn to read and to listen to direct audio stating directly what William Thompson stated? If you think there is a segment existing where he, (meaning who), is talking about reporting n the significance of the same, and you state that exists, then why are you not replying, with that information and evidence? All you are conducting is an attempted load of deception. Get to directly the point here, you in denial and falsely self proclaimed expert?

  • I am and have been directly debating anything and everything you have in your reply posts, and which deal with the subject matter of vaccines. That is an attempted productive conversation and in which you refuse to be part of. So, how much further can your brain actually twist all of this?

  • I don’t have a reading comprehension problem. What you have is a denial of what is in front of you, problem. So then point it out where it is stated what you claim was stated? How many more endless replies will you make, and without doing that?

  • Wow, and you continue to be are such a deceptive and entirely twisted man; and it just gets worse and even more twisted as you go. The evidence of that is in every reply post you make, and there is obviously no need for me to further demonstrate it, and nor what I have stated.

  • You have NO facts, period. All you do is simply type up one twisted and delusional rant after another. You have actually failed to debate the vaccine issues, and on every level. That is what we are here for.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry you are simply incorrect. My original request from seven days ago was:

    Please provide a singe specific and sourced quote of no more than three sentences that clearly and unambiguously demonstrates that the data which was allegedly removed and changed the outcome was clearly and specifically something other than using the birth certificate cohort.

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/vactruth/you_decide_the_risks_and_benefits_of_the_mmr_vaccination/#comment-2536932682

    Which is pretty much what I wrote above. Sorry if you didn’t read it but it’s there. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. As explained elsewhere.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Already did. You misread my original request. I’ve linked it. Read slower this time. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Actually, that’s completely incorrect. Of course reading studies and responding to them thoughtfully has a cost. I simply don’t think it’s worth it to spend that time when the Lowell Hubbs of the world won’t agree to be civil, specific and clear in their responses. There’s nothing made up about my reasons not to discuss matters of weight with someone like you who can’t agree to the things that most conversation is predicated on. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Wrong. If you actually READ what I WROTE it would be easy to see. Anyway I’ve pointed out the problem a few times now. You FORGOT TO READ the bit about specifically excluding the birth certificate cohort.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry, you said you gave me what I asked for. Which was a few sentences from Thompson specifically stating that the information that was omitted was NOT due to reporting only on the birth certificate cohort. There is not any information in that quote to rule that out. He is talking about omitting reporting on the whole sample rather than just the birth certificate cohort.

    You have provided no sentences which do that. Otherwise you could quote them. You can’t because you failed to do what I asked. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry, you have not clearly and directly and civilly responded to the Thompson bit…or any other time that I’ve asked for specific clarification.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Apologies but you’re words are now so convoluted I have to quote you.

    So then point it out where it is stated what you claim was stated?

    Clearly you are having problems understanding what I wrote. What I’m claiming is that your quote DOES NOT ADDRESS the point I asked for. So your asking “Why it is stated” – if you mean in that quote. Then the answer is: Nowhere. That’s what MISSING means. In the same way you can not ask “Where are the instructions on how to prepare turkey in a recipe for egg-salad sandwiches”.

  • Your point is irrelevant, and you can come up with absolutely nothing to make it relevant, and considering the information that William Thompson has stated. You keep on reply posting and continue to evade that issue each and every time. That is called arguing, just to argue.

  • Really? How much more clear could it have been. Quit your crying and whining around, and start reply posting like a man.

  • Jonathan Graham

    ….and notice that your response contains no specific statements of mine which demonstrate me lying or distorting anything.

  • He is doing no such thing.

    STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM

    My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and
    Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

    I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

    Read more:
    http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

    Actually listen to it.

    SENIOR GOVERNMENT SCIENTIST BREAKS 13 YEARS OF SILENCE ON CDC’S VACCINE-AUTISM FRAUD
    AFRICAN AMERICAN BOYS WILLFULLY EXPOSED TO HIGH RISK OF AUTISM FROM MMR VACCINE

    https://vimeo.com/user5503203/review/103711143/91f7d3d4d8

    (Audio) CDC Addresses Allegations on Vaccine-Autism Link Omission

    Click the link in the page to hear audio of Sharyl Attkisson telephone interview with CDC’s Dr. Frank DeStefano about his questioned MMR-autism study, Aug. 26, 2014

    https://sharylattkisson.com/audio-cdc-addresses-allegations-on-vaccine-autism-link-omission/

    CDC Responds to Allegation it Omitted Vaccine-Autism Study Link
    https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-responds-to-allegation-it-omitted-vaccine-autism-study-link/

    VACCINE WHISTLEBLOWER BOOK EXPOSES 32 YEARS OF CDC’S SCIENCE FRAUD

    In August 2014, it was revealed that senior Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) scientist William Thompson had been having numerous conversations with vaccine critic Brian Hooker in which Thompson noted that the data from one of his studies had been massaged prior to publication in order to conceal a link between the MMR vaccine and autism in black boys.

    In a new book, Vaccine Whistleblower: Exposing the Autism Research Fraud at the CDC, attorney Kevin Barry examines the content of ten months worth of conversations between Thompson and Hooker, which were recorded prior to September 2014.

    Hooker is a bioengineer and a professor of biology and chemistry at Simpson University. He has spent 12 years using Freedom of Information Act requests to obtain data on studies the CDC has conducted on a possible link between vaccines and autism, and he has submitted many of his findings to Congress.

    Omitted data shows autism link

    Read more:
    http://personalhealthrecords.in/2016/02/20/vaccine-whistleblower-book-exposes-32-years-of-cdcs-science-fraud/

  • Again. You have not explained the relevance, and all you are doing is attempting to be some attempting speculation, David Gorski, Orac, no science there and nor evidence based, want to be.

  • Just address the studies, and be a man. As I said just quit with your whining and crying around false excuses as to why you refuse to do it. How many dozens and dozens of reply posts have you created saying the same old thing, and in your refusal to actually debate these vaccine subject matters in any honesty? As I said, you are refusing to conduct any diligent debate here, and thus you should just leave. You are just wasting my time, and the readers time.

  • And what was explained, to you, and that you ignored?

  • Then just quit reply posting to me, and if your demands are not yet met. It is that simple. You refuse to actually debate these subject matters, and so there is no longer any point to your being here; other than to conduct more personal harassment and in your focus on only me, and not the subject matters that these articles are about.

  • You need to be banned for harassment and repeatedly posting the same reply only a bit reworded, multiple times. That is not productive, and any such activity should be cause for you to be banned, period. Its gone far enough. You refuse to conduct any form of a debate with any substance to it, and it just amounts to the same worn out rants repeatedly and over and over.

  • I don’t need to because any readers can see and read what you just replied with. The conclusion for any sane and honest person will be exactly as I said.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m simply pointing out that the facts are that you love this conversation far more than actually debating a study. You get to treat someone badly and feel superior (like they deserve it) and you don’t have to do any work. Whereas I would prefer debating the study but only if you agree to be civil and clear and specific. Otherwise it’s exactly what we’re doing right now. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry you’re failing at being specific again. Why is my point irrelevant? Thompson’s believes that information was omitted. As I argued eight days ago – what he believes should have been included was an analysis based on the entire dataset instead of omitting anyone without a birth certificate.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well it could have actually addressed the point I was discussing. That would have been more clear and specific. Instead your quote says nothing about the birth certificate cohort. So it is irrelevant to my point. Ergo it was not a clear and specific response. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    You have provided nothing that mentions the birth certificate cohort. So your text is irrelevant to my point. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Actually I have explained the relevance. Seven days ago. You were reading as poorly then as you were when you missed that my requests – for SEVEN DAYS – were for a response from Thompson about the birth certificate cohort. Effectively if the certificate cohort is the omission he is concerned about or by omitting it caused the omission he is concerned about. Then Thompson is simply incorrect. I explained this SEVEN DAYS AGO. Try reading for once.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry. People generally shouldn’t respond to bullying. There are no false excuses just entirely justifiable reasons. You can’t agree to be specific and civil and clear. Three things i think are necessary for a productive conversation. Also it’s impossible for me to be wasting your time. As I’ve said the evidence is strongly in favor of you enjoying these conversations more than discussing the actual studies.

  • Jonathan Graham

    As I suspect you now realize you did NOT address my point. As nothing you posted addressed the birth certificate cohort. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you agree that you failed to supply a specific (not a hundred sentences – not “go and listen to this”) and clear. Response to my point. Awesome. By the by if you don’t want someone to reply to you. I hear the best strategy is to not post on a public message board.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Dude, just READ the Study, read Hookers reanalysis, read the Thompson data dump. Read about the birth certificate cohort and how he thinks that limiting their analysis to that meant DeStefano et al did not report on a subgroup analysis that was meaningful.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Just pointing out yet another case of how you are not specific. If we were discussing a study this would be another Lowell-style info-dump and then premature declaration of victory. Yawn. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    4 is a bit high

  • AutismDadd

    snort

  • Jonathan Graham

    Except if your point is that vaccination has never saved lives then your argument doesn’t make your point. At best you can argue (poorly) that the number of lives saved is exaggerated. So your response is in the mW scale.

  • sabelmouse

    because most are taken in by the pro vaccine propaganda and are utterly clueless to the real facts.

  • NecktopPC

    RE: “…the great majority of parents obtain vaccinations for their children,
    influenced by the “sales pitch” and “scare tactics” used by physicians.”

    And the mainstream media, who sings loudly for Big Pharma plays a very integral part in scaring you too. “Don’t even think about going to the Caribbean without TWINRIX or you’ll get Hepatitis for sure”.

    “Incidence and prevalence of chronic disease”

    The last half century has seen a steady increase in the incidence and prevalence of chronic inflammatory diseases with further increases expected. According to the Marshall Pathogenesis, a number of factors are to blame:

    1. misuse of antibiotics especially Beta-lactam antibiotics

    2. vitamin supplementation including folic acid but especially vitamin D

    3. novel vectors for sharing pathogens including blood donation

    4. widespread adoption of COMPULSORY MASS VACCINATIONS

    “Review of VACCINE INDUCED IMMUNE OVERLOAD AND THE RESULTING EPIDEMICS of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases”

    “Is the timing of recommended childhood vaccines evidence based?”

    The evidence base is purely based on the limited research that has been done (1), however VITAL VACCINE SAFETY RESEARCH IS MISSING in several important areas.

    Has, DUE TO VACCINATION, the overall BURDEN OF DISEASE INCREASED from (acute) infectious diseases to a greater burden of disease due to (chronic) non-communicable diseases?

    The ISAAC studies (International Studies on Asthma and Allergies in Childhood)
    show that IN HIGHLY VACCINATED AFFLUENT COUNTRIES the incidence of non-communicable diseases (NCD) like ASTHMA AND ALLERGIES, IS HIGH. However, these STUDIES DO NOT MENTION VACCINES as an environmental factor.

    STUDIES ARE NEEDED that check the prevalence of NCD like asthma and allergies in affluent highly vaccinated countries, BETWEEN VACCINATED AND NON_VACCINATED CHILDREN.

    Furthermore, the immune system in the newborn might be primed in the first few months to react in an allergic fashion. This needs to be researched and could be done with a cohort of children who receive vaccines after the maturation of the immune system of the infant, rather than within the first few months of life. (2)

    Vaccines have changed the microbiome. However, VACCINES ARE AGAIN CONSISTENTLY IGNORED IN ARTICLES DISCUSSING THE EFFECTS OF THE MICROBIOME. Vaccines are not mentioned in articles on the GUT_BRAIN AXIS, even though RATES HAVE SOARED IN CHILDREN anxiety, depression, ASD, ADHD.

    Public health has now started to vaccinate for economic reasons, but ARE BIRTH COHORTS IN PLACE COMPARING VACCINATED WITH UNVACCINATED CHILDREN to check whether this shift in vaccination reasoning is benefiting or harming the child? (5)

    In the developing world there is a big push to vaccinate children but are any birth cohorts in place to check whether the balance in burden of disease shifts from acute to chronic diseases (NCD)?

    AS VACCINES ARE GIVEN TO EVERYONE IN SOCIETY SCRUTINISING SAFETY SHOULD BE PARAMOUNT to make sure that the overall burden of disease is not increased by vaccination, by having proper ongoing research in the 11 aforementioned areas in place.

    Sources:

    http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/epidemiology

    http://www.vaccines.net/vaccine-induced-immune-overload.pdf

    http://www.bmj.com/content/352/bmj.i867/rr-7

    (emphasis supplied)

  • NecktopPC

    U.S. CHILD CHRONIC DISEASE INCREASES

    1976: 1 child in 30 was learning disabled → 2013: 1 child in 6 is learning disabled.
    1980: 1 child in 27 had asthma → 2013: 1 child in 9 has asthma.
    1990’s: 1 child in 555 developed autism → 2013: 1 child in 50 develops autism.
    2001: 1 child in 500 had diabetes → 2013: 1 child in 400 has diabetes.

    THREE TIMES AS MANY VACCINATIONS FOR CHILDREN

    1953: CDC recommended 16 doses of 4 vaccines (smallpox, DPT) between two months and age six.
    1983: CDC recommended 23 doses of 7 vaccines (DPT, MMR, polio) between two months and age six.
    2013: CDC recommended 49 doses of 14 vaccines between day of birth and age six and 69 doses of 16 vaccines between day of birth and age 18.

    Source: http://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/49-Doses-PosterB.pdf

  • All you have pointed out here is the level of your own obvious sickness. This is not about victory, you arrogant pig. This is about the presentation of information and in an honest follow up as to an analysis. Something that you clearly have no ability to keep up with and nor to actually participate in.

  • I have reviewed all of that, and if I had not I would not have put it in front of you now multiple times. The question needs to be put to you; if what you say is true, why is that you are yet unable to present with copy and past evidence of the sections of information that you refer to? Why is it that you as well can not provide a step by step commentary on the information you provide? You are the person who actually needs to as well provide commentary on the significance and relevance of the information that you provide. Why is it that in your obviously twisted mind that you demand that I prove your statements as true, and to prove exactly what you refuse to to prove and provide to support your alleged point? So, don’t you think you have it all a little bit, backwards?

    When you have a claim to make you provide the evidence for ti, and you have failed to do that in now days and days of your reply posting, and in making the same claims that you have never backed up. So get to it.

  • In fact it is you that has not provided a single piece of evidence for your claims. You make a claim but provide nothing to back it up, and then it is YOU that states go here and read this and find and present evidence for MY claim. That is exactly what you are doing. But that is what you shills always do, you accuse of the same thing that you are actually guilty of. You are a complete and shameless, hypocrite.

  • You made the claim, it is your responsibility to provide the evidence for it, and not me. So as I said in my previous posts, just go get to doing that. I provided multiple sources for the evidence as to what actually took place with the study known as, Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan atlanta. If you are going to attempt to refute that information and with information that you say minimizes the significance of the information I put forth, then it is YOUR responsibility to prove and provide that information. So, after days and days of your reply posting non the claim here, when are you going to get to doing that. All you have put forth is that somehow you find it in the study, and which is for most people no available and without payment or a health science library that can attain it. So, go to your study and any other information you have and copy and paste the relevant information for us and right here, and provide your commentary on its direct relevance to your claim. Get started.

  • The actually bully here, is clearly you. The only person who has not actually been specific and clear is you, and in that you have not provided any evidence for your said and persistently sick claim, and demand that I prove your claim to be true. That is actually what you are doing. Again, I provided the evidence from several sources as to what actually happened in regard to the whistle blower William Thompson issue, and in regard to that known Pediatrics study. It is your responsibility to prove any evidence needed, and to refute the significance of what I put forth in regard to William Thompson’s known statements in regard to the the disregarding of significantly relevant and actually damning data in regard to MMR caused autism, and that was omitted from, and from honest consideration and analysis in the said study. Don’t be just say, its all there and go find it. You either provide that directly and now, or you can quit reply posting about it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You simply can not present information in a way that can usefully be discussed (Civil and Clear and Specific).

  • Oh I see, now you are going to claim it was provided 7 days ago, it actually was not. It was approximately a week ago that I provided you direct evidence of the statements made by both William Thompson and as well Frank DeStefano. Those statements speak well and directly to what happened in that said study. There is nothing left to question. It was fraud and in the omission of seriously significant information regarding the MMR vaccine, and the later development of autism.

    I have read every reply post you have ever made here. You did not and never have actually explained the relevance at all, and you more importantly have provided zero evidence for your claim. You have provided nothing in regard to documentation. You just say, its there; go find it. You have done nothing to refute the significance of the statements made by William Thompson, and you have done nothing to refute the self damning statements of Frank DeStefano.

    It is you that needs to go to the study and copy and paste the relevant sections that support your claim, and from any other source that supports your claim. Again, it is not my responsibility to provide evidence for your claim.

  • How stupid are you? That is your responsibility to provide the evidence to make and support your claim. How twisted and backwards can you possibly be? You must have 100 reply posts here, nagging on the same old issue and claim, and all while you have provided nothing.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry, back to quoting because of the illucid nature of your post.

    if what you say is true, why is that you are yet unable to present with copy and past evidence of the sections of information that you refer to?

    I simply have no idea what you mean by “copy and past evidence of the sections of information”.

    you demand that I prove your statements as true

    Yawn. What I’ve requested is that when you say you have addressed my point that you are able to provide the exact phrase – not a garbage dump of quotes and links and assertions – of where that precise point is addressed.

    So far you have not produced anything relevant to the birth certificate cohort with any degree of specificity.

  • The only thing yet unclear is in the asking of why you have not provided the evidence for your claims. In what now has to be about 100 reply posts you have provided, nothing.

  • And why is that not in the end result significant, and when you consider the data that was found in that dataset information? Regardless of if they only omitted those without a birth certificate, or the entire set; it is all still significant information. So what you are arguing is actually pointless. Deliberately omitting any data at all in regard to the finding of developed autism after the MMR vaccine, is fraud. It does not matter as well what age cohort that was in. You simply refuse reality, and want to make excuses to ignore vaccine reality.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Actually I did DAYS AGO and if you had actually read the things you claimed you have read it would be obvious. For example I pointed out how Table 2 in DeStefano et al supports my position.

  • You delusional man. None of that is true. I actually find no enjoyment in dealing with the likes of someone as twisted as you, and it takes up far to much of my time in dealing with someone like you that evades the issues and simply makes up excuses and reasons to evade the significance of the vaccine truth information. You simply waste my time every day, as far as getting anywhere as to correcting your selective comprehension issues. Again, the only one here who has not been clear and specific in providing commentary and information to back their claims, is YOU.

  • Trust me, it will be self evident to any readers.

  • Your reply post is again, entirely pointless. The crazy talk of an obvious madman.

    If the evidence for your claim is found nowhere, then what was your actual claim and how is it relevant? That is what you need to present with, and you have not. Then you tell me that I have been unclear and nonspecific? Just like I said, you shills are nothing but high level hypocrites.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The problem with what you provided is that is has ZERO to do with my position. You have selectively forgotten that you claimed that you refuted my point – somewhere in your copypasta – so that means there MUST be something in your copypasta which directly addresses it but there isn’t.

    I’m not asking you to prove my point. Just to admit that your copypasta is irrelevant. :-)

  • Again, and so then why have you not provided that wanted information, yourself? Why as well have you not explained its relevance? Because you can’t, that’s why. You argue just to argue and to cause distraction.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Perhaps you don’t how to recognize bullying but telling someone to “be a man” is exactly that. I’ve already pointed out that you could not produce a clear and specific rebuttal from the copypasta you produced surrounding Thompsons claim of omitted data. So again, you are being uncivil and unclear and non-specific.

    If you don’t think that Thompson’s concerns are about the omitting of the birth certificate cohort from the final analysis you really should read DeStefano et al again.

  • The only point I have refuted is in regard to your attempting to somehow minimize the significance of the omitted data in the said study. If you want to continue to attempt to minimize the significance of that data, then YOU need to provide direct evidence and commentary as to the issues that you think minimize the significance of that data. It is a simple as that and you continue to endlessly evade that responsibility. Instead you push it off onto me to do it.

    Why would I ever admit that my copy and pasted audio, video and transcript information in regard to William Thompson and Frank Destefano is irrelevant, when obviously it is seriously relevant? Why would I do that when you have provided absolutely nothing which provides information which makes that said information, irrelevant. Why don’t you see if you can CHOKE that down.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So again, your post did not address my point. It was therefore NOT A clear and specific rebuttal. Which in case you’ve selectively forgotten you claimed it was.

    Clearly, if you look at Table 2 – in DeStefano et. al. – you’ll see why Thompson is talking about omitting the birth certificate cohort.

  • No you did not. No such thing was posted. And how does it support your position? Directly describe in detail as well, your position.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Because you can’t correct for a number of confounders without the birth certificates. Deliberately releasing information showing a correlation with known confounders is unethical, manipulative and inexcusable in data analysis.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Of course you enjoy this. Why else would you do it as opposed to something you enjoy more. Not to mention if you would prefer to discuss studies. All you need to do is agree to be civil and clear and specific. Which is something everyone does every single day (except you maybe) so it’s of zero cost. Avoiding making a decision of zero cost to do something you enjoy more is irrational by definition.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The point was, this was yet another example of you not being civil and clear and specific. The idea that someone somewhere else might not think so is, of course irrelevant.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yawn. Again, you’re selectively forgetting that you considered that your post responded clearly and specifically to my point. So which is it? Does it actually address the issue of the birth certificate cohort? If so, show me where. If it DOES NOT. Then your post was irrelevant. Evidence again, is exactly where I mentioned it DAYS AGO – table 2. In DeStefano et. al.

  • I see, and just because you can not directly reply to me and support your position, you resort again to the insanity of your hack job butchering my replies, (and out of any identifiable context), copy and paste reply quotation and answer, madness. You are a complete joke. Just reply to my replies and as they are.

    So you can not comprehend what copy and paste of the relevant sections of the study mean? So you can not comprehend what copy and paste of the relevant information and the source means, and when providing reference that supports your claim?

    So far YOU have not produced anything relevant to the birth certificate cohort with any degree of specificity. You have presented with NOTHING. Nothing that in any way reduces the significance of the said data information that was omitted from the said study.

    What I said is that in regard to the omitted information and as was addressed by both Thompson and DeStefano in the information I provided you; there is no way you can say that anything at all minimizes the significance of that said study data. No matter what you throw at it. You can not and yet have not provided any refute of that significance and of the said information in the data that was omitted from that said study. So in 100 reply posts that you have made, when are you going to actually do that?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I did. You claimed that you refuted my position. Are you now admitting that your post was utterly irrelevant – in the sense that it did not address the stated point? Seems like that’s what you are admitting. I’ve already explained the relevance. When DAYS AGO I told you that adjusting for confounders was the statistically proper thing to do. If you refuse to read that isn’t my problem.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No sorry. My point is that the omissions that Thompson is talking about are entirely the birth certificate cohort. Your copypasta does not contain anything addressing the birth certificate cohort. Hence it is impossible for it to refute my point. :-)

  • You are responded to directly as you need to be and deserve to be. Who’s fault is that? Why do you refuse to be clear and specific? Who’s fault is it that I clearly see your level of hypocrisy?

  • What is actually wrong with you? And how is the information in regard to the birth certificate cohort not significant in itself, and when it involved a number of black male infants that acquired autism after injection of the MMR vaccine? Why is that not important? Your claims are absolutely pointless.

  • You don’t even have a point and you simply can not and refuse to actually explain your point. All you do is continue to create increasingly more and more twisted claims put into reply posts; most of it only being an even more twisted add on from the 50 reply posts that you made before that. How would I have ever admitted that the information in the Thompson and DeStefano statments that were made, is somehow now irrelevant? I did not say that at all. Nothing you have put forth has as well ever shown that to be the case.

    And I told you previously that DeStefano clearly admitted that the only adjusting for confounders was determined by him in his disbelief that a three year old could acquire autism after the MMR vaccine. His (never concluded in any known study) position was that autism is acquired in the womb and before birth, and that it can not occur at the age of 3. So the BIASED nature and biased opinion of DeStefano’s mindset, is what actually determined that data to be so called adjusted for confounders. There was no actual scientific justification for it.

    (Audio) CDC Addresses Allegations on Vaccine-Autism Link Omission

    Click the link in the page to hear audio of Sharyl Attkisson telephone interview with CDC’s Dr. Frank DeStefano about his questioned MMR-autism study, Aug. 26, 2014

    https://sharylattkisson.com/audio-cdc-addresses-allegations-on-vaccine-autism-link-omission/

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yawn as usual you can’t read:

    If so then why can you see a positive correlation between vaccines and autism on page 263 from the original journal.

    I’m referencing Table 2 here – that’s the only thing on Page 263 which shows this correlation. Clearly you didn’t read this journal article despite having pretended to do so.

    The positive correlation that I’m talking about is the exact one that you think is omitted. What is omitted is that – in Thompson’s statistically stupid view – that this relationship is significant.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’ve already provided the necessary evidence days ago. It’s in the post history. Sorry if you didn’t read it.

    You have provided nothing about the birth certificate cohort in your copypasta. My point is about the BC cohort – if you’ve provided nothing that directly mentions that – you have provided no counter to my point. QED.

  • No my post does not respond clearly and specifically to you point and because you have never had a point, and which you could provide any complete description and evidence for. You are ignoring again that it is your responsibility to provide the full description of the claim and directly any supporting evidence and reference. Most of us do not have access to that table, as the study only contains an abstract. To get the full pediatrics study a person has to be a member and/or pay for it. So go ahead and copy and paste all the relevant information you can find in that study and that in referenced to the Table 2 information. Post it in your next reply post.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry, your opinion as to what I deserve is irrelevant. You are still not responding in a way that can be usefully discussed (Civil and Clear and Specific). Keep blaming other people for not being these things all you like. Blame them for a bunch of other things too. Knock yourself out.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’ve already addressed this elsewhere. Without the birth certificate you can not adjust for a number of important confounders. So whatever relation seen in the unadjusted data is not important.

  • You can talk all the mindless crap that you want, it doesn’t mean anything. You are like a broken record that just repeatedly keeps playing the madness of some insane and pointless tune that never ends. How much are you paid to be appointed to me?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yawn. Sorry, wrong again. Everything adjusted for in the study is a known confounder for autism. Whatever you fantasize is being said in whatever audio interviews is irrelevant.

  • In your deluded mind you obviously must maintain many accusations and thoughts of pure madness.

    You are replied to directly as you need to be and deserve to be. Perhaps if had and if you were to actually reply clearly and specifically, we would not be having an issue, now. But then in your needed level of hypocrisy what else can be expected from you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I did provide my claim, I just assumed you were following that in the conversation. If you didn’t follow you should ask more questions instead of just copypasta.

    I asked you to re-read DeStefano et. al and you said YOU reviewed it. Next time be more honest. You didn’t review even a tiny percentage of that study.

    I’ve already typed out the relevance of Table 2 in a prior response.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s not mindless. This was an example of you being not specific and attempting to blame it on me. Just like you blame all sorts of things on everyone else. :-)

  • That is just another load of crap. There in truth were no confounders to be found. Either the subjects developed autism after the MMR vaccine, or they did not.

    Destefano as well makes no mention of any such issue nor that in this interview. He simply admitted that the information was omitted simply because he did not believe that any child could acquire autism at the age of three. He had already in his biased view determined that autism was developed in the womb, and could not be acquired from any other causation. Thus DeStefano should have actually been disqualified as an author of that said study.

    (Audio) CDC Addresses Allegations on Vaccine-Autism Link Omission

    Click the link in the page to hear audio of Sharyl Attkisson telephone interview with CDC’s Dr. Frank DeStefano about his questioned MMR-autism study, Aug. 26, 2014

    https://sharylattkisson.com/audio-cdc-addresses-allegations-on-vaccine-autism-link-omission/

    The article alone details the level of corruption that has gone on with the 2004 study known and as titled,

    Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan atlanta. Pediatrics. 2004 Feb;113(2):259-66.

    CDC Responds to Allegation it Omitted Vaccine-Autism Study Link

    https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-responds-to-allegation-it-omitted-vaccine-autism-study-link/

  • As I said, other than access to the abstract, most of us do not have access to the full study, and without membership or payment. So go ahead and copy and paste all the relevant information from that study and in regard to Table 2, and that makes you claim and point. Explain as well directly what the issue is with Table 2.

    Just saying you’ll see why is not going to suffice as evidence of anything at all. Just because Thompson is talking about omitting the birth cohort, what direct relevance does that have to your elusive claim?

  • Again, how can there be a rebuttal when you have made no specific claim and nor that has been backed up with any direct evidence? You want to minimize the significance of the omitted information and the data in that said study, but you have not provided any information that effectively describes and nor supports that contention.

  • Again, you have no established claim and no position. Again, quit stalling and actually present with it.

  • You have no point to be made here, and as I said it is your responsibility and not mine to provide the evidence, support, and the reference for your claims. You can not even as much as verbally provide and make an argument for your claims. So how is it in any way wrongfully blaming it on you, when I have pointed it out that you have failed to do that? Such an obviously twisted man.

    And really, what is it that are you claiming in your statement that I blame all sorts of things on everyone else? In reference to what?

  • Oh believe me I was following it all, As a said DeStano et.al and in reference to this study, has only an abstract and is not available to the general public, without payment or access possibly to a health science library You have NOT typed out the relevance of Table 2 in regard to your alleged claim that somehow that tables information minimizes the significance of the known data omitted from that said study. So, get to doing that now.

    Pediatrics. 2004 Feb;113(2):259-66.
    Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan atlanta.

    DeStefano F1, Bhasin TK, Thompson WW, Yeargin-Allsopp M, Boyle C.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754936

  • Since when are DeStefano’s direct and said statements and as he was interviewed, now conveniently irrelevant to and for you? They shouldn’t be and unless your intent is the complete denial of the significance of the known omitted data from that study. So now even directly relevant to this issue statements made by DeStefano are needed to be considered as irrelevant. You can see that what he states is exactly as I said it was. Just keep on making up your lies as you go.

  • And so other than the needed denial of the existence of children in the study who developed autism after receiving the MMR vaccine, what confounders and reasons to determine there are confounders that need to be adjusted would you say existed? Gived me a direct description of those alleged confounders that needed to be adjusted, and why?

  • It is not just an opinion, it is obvious fact. So, in your arrogance and need, you are directing me as to how I shall respond? And if I do not do that, you consider it as not being a useful discussion. Wow. So YOU just go ahead and knock yourself out, with that How has that been working for you? Blame who for what? And just because of your failure to support your own alleged claims and opinions? What a twisted man.

  • Again, I don’t have to. As you made the alleged claim and which you have repeatedly failed to support.

  • Why are you apparently quoting a reply that is not found above and in the recent replies? That does not appear to be any reply that I have made.

    And again, how am I supposed to read something that I do not have access to a copy of? I never said I did, and you are making it up as you go. All the public has access to is the abstract. You were just told that in at least separate replies. That is why I asked you to provide directly the information that supports your claim and to specifically outline your claim.

    And so now you are even claiming that the data information that was claimed to have been omitted, was not actually omitted. Even though both Thompson and DeStefano directly admitted that it was omitted from the study. That information has been put right in front of you.

  • And your point is? And being entirely the birth cohort what does that have to do with the lack of significance of the information? Like I said, you have demonstrated absolutely nothing.

    And what about all these studies that directly support and show the connection between the MMR vaccine and development of autism? It is not just autism you know, The over bloated CDC vaccine schedule has caused in children major increases in learning/developmental disabilities, allergy, food allergy, intestinal problems, ADHD, autoimmune disorders, asthma, diabetes, and cancer, etc etc. The real and entire history of vaccine efficacy as well amounts to nothing but a massive fraud.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s not accusations it’s just decision theory. There is no reason to avoid things that are zero cost and every reason to embrace them if in doing so you get something you prefer. Ergo, you either prefer talking like this or you are acting irrationally.

    Fabricate as many barriers as you need to make you feel better. The facts remain that what I ask costs you nothing and you still refuse. You can not rationally maintain that with the assertion that you prefer talking about studies. QED.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Back to quoting because Lowell is illucid

    There in truth were no confounders to be found.

    Are you telling me that in a total sample of 2400 not one was in the lower birthweights, had an older parent, no multiplicity and no parents of lower education. Please provide a reference which substantiates this insanely irrational claim. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    What good would copy and pasting anything do? Are you saying that you trust me to reproduce with perfect fidelity the information in the table? If so, why can’t I just tell you what it says? It’s not that kind of PDF anyway. Many journals don’t make the text selectable in the PDFs they generate.

    There’s nothing elusive about my claim other than I can state it several times and it constantly eludes your ability to grasp. Thompson is talking about omitting the non-birth certificate cohort in the analysis. Which was done to correct for confounders – again right in the study if you didn’t try and deceive people by implying you knew more about the study than you actually did. Not correcting for confounders is stupid. I assume you agree.

    Perhaps your opinion about said study isn’t very valuable considering you haven’t read it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, I’m not sure how many times I can mention that Thompson’s complaint is that omitting the non-birth certificate cohort from the final analysis. Before you realize that this is my claim. Perhaps you will figure it out this time. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, days ago the very claim which I’ve already stated several times now was said to you. Want to be wrong again? Say that I didn’t make this claim days ago.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry, you’re incorrect. I stated my claim DAYS AGO but because you don’t read very carefully you missed it. Just like I stated my reference to the evidence supporting my claim DAYS AGO and because you don’t read very carefully you missed it too. Just like I stated the importance of my rationale DAYS AGO and you missed it as well. Presumably because you don’t read very carefully. These are all detailed in threads. No sense repeating them here.

    Also you are a non-stop train of “it’s your fault”. Listen to yourself sometime.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No sorry. There is simply no evidence that you follow anything. I’ve already told you the relevance of Table 2. What would be the point in typing it out in it’s entirety? Either you believe what I am typing or you don’t in both cases. I could just as easily forge a chart as tell you what it says. Again it seems you want to raise some imaginary barrier to conversation. Never have I met someone so frightened in all my life.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s amazing this is difficult for you. We are discussing if the study he and others produced omits anything that you wouldn’t normally omit. So the only question is, what confounders were controlled for and are they known to be comorbid with autism. The study is the only thing that tells you these things. Which again you didn’t read but you somehow think your opinion on it is something other than useless.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Quoting again because you’re illucid.

    And so other than the needed denial of the existence of children in the study who developed autism after receiving the MMR vaccine, what confounders and reasons to determine there are confounders that need to be adjusted would you say existed?

    This seems to be a way of saying “Why would you correct for confounders?”

    If that’s not your question then please rephrase. Perhaps without so much editorializing. If it is your question then you don’t really know what a confounder is. Confounders, if not corrected for will bias your data. Not correcting for confounders MEANS your data is BIASED. Are you advocating publishing biased data?

  • Jonathan Graham

    If it makes you feel better to call your opinion a fact then knock yourself out. I’m simply telling you what responses are productive (Civil and clear and specific) I’m happy to have these terribly uncivil and terribly unclear and terribly non-specific conversations with you. I’m just not willing to put any work into them. There’s nothing arrogant about that.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Actually you do, unless you now claim that your posting was irrelevant. In which case I agree. However if it was relevant to my claim. Then it’s your responsibility to make a civil and clear and specific case of that. Since you haven’t you kind of lose on both counts. :-) But keep telling yourself this is about me…I’m not sure when blaming others will stop helping you feel better but I wouldn’t put any money on it being in the next few months or so.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Quoting again because Lowell is in illucid mode

    how am I supposed to read something that I do not have access to a copy of?

    More importantly how are you having an useful opinion of something you haven’t even read.

    And so now you are even claiming that the data information that was claimed to have been omitted, was not actually omitted.

    No, you’re just don’t understand what they’re talking about. In Table 3 for example you can see the uncorrected relative-risks. All subgroups (except for girls) should a positive risk associated with vaccination. Thompson wanted to cherry pick a racial subgroup out of the uncorrected data and claim that it was statistically significant.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’ve already said this so many times. That Thompson is concerned with omitting the data from the non-birth certificate cohort BECAUSE it removed statistical significance from some outcome – in this case a cherry-picked racial subgroup. This is the point.

    The relevance of that point is, as I’ve said now many times for the past NINE OR TEN DAYS is that the removal was to correct for confounders.

    Now you seem to not understand why you would correct for confounders or claim that no confounding data is in the dataset. Yawn.

  • Mike Stevens

    Jonathan, You are arguing the points with someone who by all accounts comes in with an IQ around 80 points lower than yours.
    There is no convincing someone like Lowell with facts, logic and rational argument – he just won’t get it. Ultimately it is futile and time wasting, and your sterling efforts might be better directed elsewhere.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ok, ok. I know I shouldn’t indulge this. I have another blog post to write about binomial tests anyway.

  • CharlieB1972

    Yelling “VACCINES!!!” at cancer doesn’t make it true.

    “How long ago are the old days, my grandparents lived into their 90’s.”

    Good for them, but I hope you don’t seriously believe that because your grandparents lived into their 90s, everyone else did too. Life expectancy has been rising since the Good Old Days.

    “SV40 DNA sequences have been detected in normal and neoplastic tissues of people either too young (1 to 30 years) or too old (60 to 85 years) to have been vaccinated with SV40-contaminated anti-polio vaccines”

    Exactly! This is evidence that the vaccine is not the problem.

    And there are numerous studies showing that there no difference between cancer rates in those who had SV40 contaminated vaccines and those who didn’t. But you’ll just yell in angry incredulity at their results because you don’t like them.

    “Hepatitis vaccines can trigger autoimmune hepatitis, as a fact; and you can doubt that all you want.”

    Even if that’s true, far more cases of hepatitis are prevented by vaccines.

    “There is no evidence whatsoever the the dangerous and at time deadly HPV vaccine has ever or well ever prevent even a single case of cervical cancer.”

    Horseshit! Infections with the leading cancer-causing strains of HPV are down by 64% since we started vaccinating against them.

  • CharlieB1972

    “All that article is-is just more sensationalized fear mongering.”

    Horseshit! As I previously wrote, it is an account written by an anti-vaxxer about her own children’s suffering from pertussis. You didn’t even read it, you coward!

    “Your 80% figure in claiming that pertussis is down by that much because of the vaccine, is simply preposterous because pertussis outbreaks continue to happen, and where there is found in that outbreak that 80% or more of the outbreak has been found in the vaccinated. You are putting forth what amounts to false information, SICK B.”

    No, you’re just too willfully dense to understand. I’m looking at NATIONAL data, which shows pertussis to be down by 80%. You think that you can “refute” that by cherry-picking a few outbreaks from the total. It’s as nonsensical as arguing that the Super Bowl winning Denver Broncos did not have a great defense because you can cherry-pick one game where Pittsburgh scored 34 points on them during the regular season.

    “But you deny and ignore those risks, and so that is why you favor the vaccine. You refuse the evidence of reality.”

    No, you do. Serious reactions to the whooping cough vaccine are very rare. You can’t face the truth.

  • Mike Stevens

    Far better use of your time I’m sure….!

  • Sonja Henie

    I’m not going to open NVIC and give them the hit, but they’re very disingenuous in their counting.

  • NecktopPC

    Quite frankly; I care not what you open, but don’t talk to me about disingenuous counting.

  • Sonja Henie

    So you can’t count, either?

  • NecktopPC

    I have counted the number of times when you could not read the information that was in the comments.

  • NecktopPC

    By the way; you do not need to open anything – the information is there – saving you the effort to open something.

  • NecktopPC

    One of the obvious, or typical Pro-Vaxxers on the circuit, was quite adamant, in that there was no connection between the Hepatitis A/B Vaccine and Guillain-Barré syndrome.

    He knows who he is, and he also now knows, that there is a connection between the two, and every other vaccine out there too.

    All “Anti-Vaxxers” should read this letter, and print a copy, so that you can show it to your doctor – your doctor may very well be on the take from Big Pharma, if they appear a little to anxious to vaccinate, and too dogmatic to discuss the issue with you – and if you need to find out, whether your doctor does receive kick backs from Big Pharma; here is the website to check that – https://openpaymentsdata.cms.gov/

    The letter – http://www.aapsonline.org/stateis/vavac.htm

    Here is some more information regarding this ridiculously scheduled vaccine, for your newborn child. Our GOVERNMENT recommends, and in some STATES, its MANDATED, that your child’s first vaccine, be the Hepatitis B1 (HepB) – first dose at birth and second dose at between 1 and 2 months old and the third dose, between 9 and 12 months old.

    Included is the corresponding URL to each title:

    Autoimmune hazards of hepatitis B vaccine – http://shoemakerassociates.com/documents/girard-autoimmiunehazardsofhepbvaccine.pdf

    Guillain-Barré syndrome following hepatitis B vaccination – http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15638054

    Postmarketing surveillance for neurologic adverse events reported
    after hepatitis B vaccination. Experience of the first three years – http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2962488

    On doing a search for “hepatitis vaccines+guillain-barre syndrome”, the first link is to the CDC’s page, and the title is: “Guillain-Barré Syndrome and Menactra Meningococcal Vaccine” – so its not even about the hepatitis Vaccine, to start with.

    Here is our government’s explanation for what causes GBS:

    “What causes GBS?

    Many things can cause GBS, including common infections such as sore throats and other infections that occur in the community.”

    Who is our government – and who are their spin off AGENCIES accountable to?
    Another government agency, usually.

    CONFLICT OF INTEREST!

  • eggman2

    There are no benefits. Case is closed.

  • eggman2

    That’s a good website, the one shows the money given to our prostituted physicians, prostituted scientists, and educational prostitutions ( instead of institutions ).

  • NecktopPC

    He actually British, and an immigrant to Canad, from what I detect.

  • NecktopPC

    Sugary Drinks Kill 184,000 People Every Year – 25,000 deaths in the United States, according to a new study.

  • NecktopPC

    An outbreak of measles occurred in a high school with a documented vaccination level of 98 per cent.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/

  • NecktopPC

    Same with my brother and me.

  • NecktopPC

    What if this mother had measles as a child?

  • NecktopPC

    Big Pharma has thrown the Pro-Vaxxers under the bus.

  • NecktopPC

    Based on all the years of Pro-Vax Big Pharma propaganda programming; I’m not surprised to read such diatripe from you.

  • NecktopPC

    Reality is too much for them to handle – they prefer Big Pharma programming – ask your doctor if the vaccine is right for you.

  • NecktopPC

    Outbreak of measles amongst vaccinated children in a slum of Chandigarh – http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14993716

    Of course the problem here is one of storage and more do$e$.

  • NecktopPC

    You probably don’t have children – probably never wanted them either.

  • CharlieB1972

    Yep. Sugary drinks are bad. What this has to do with the smashing success of the measles vaccine, I don’t know.

  • NecktopPC

    The CDC is compost.

  • NecktopPC

    dot GOV propaganda

  • CharlieB1972

    I’m telling some difficult truths for anti-vaxxers.

  • CharlieB1972

    Vaccines aren’t perfect, but saving 2.5 million lives per year is pretty damn good.

  • NecktopPC

    Difficult is the main thing for Pro-Vaxxers to face – reality scares them because they have already taken so many vaccines that they have to convince themselves that everything will be alright.

  • NecktopPC

    There is more prevalence of death amongst obese people (heart disease) from poor diet and life style?

    Can’t see the forest for the trees?

    Always running for some cure rather than the causes?

  • CharlieB1972

    Vaccines are preventative, not curative.

  • NecktopPC

    “preventative”
    Lack of Vitamin A?

  • NecktopPC

    Try doing some research on Monkey Pox.

  • CharlieB1972

    It can reduce mortality in those who are Vitamin A deficient, but it comes nowhere close to eliminating mortality from measles. Vaccines prevent measles from happening in the first place.

  • CharlieB1972

    Yawn. Not the same disease as smallpox. Different genome and different method of transmission.

  • NecktopPC

    And they remain Vitamin A deficient – Big Pharma loves this narrative you know.

    Run for the causes.

  • Thomas Johnson

    What if she didn’t?

  • NecktopPC

    Yawn; from your response; its obvious you have no clue – probably just regurgitating.

  • Thomas Johnson

    It’s not propaganda if it’s true. What’s not true about it?

  • CharlieB1972

    OK. Prove they have the same genome and the same transmission method.

  • NecktopPC

    Big Pharma propaganda has you so scared, you want to play games on WHO can scare who.

  • NecktopPC

    And you know its true by what means? Funded science?

  • NecktopPC

    Prove they don’t.

  • CharlieB1972

    You’re the one who made the initial claim. I’m not going to do your research for you.

  • NecktopPC

    I don’t want you to.

  • CharlieB1972

    Get back to me when you have some evidence.

  • NecktopPC

    Human Monkeypox – its too scary for you to look into eh?

  • You coward, “LOL”. Few people are more cowardly, than you.

    Actually that story is a fraud, and it is simply put forth as more false vaccine propaganda. There are more holes in that story than a block of swiss cheese.

  • [“SV40 DNA sequences have been detected in normal and neoplastic tissues of people either too young (1 to 30 years) or too old (60 to 85 years) to have been vaccinated with SV40-contaminated anti-polio vaccines”

    Exactly! This is evidence that the vaccine is not the problem.]

    How beyond stupid can you get? There should be no SV40 found in any children and beyond the time frame of the early 1960’s polio vaccine. We will now never be rid of the tumor and cancer causing SV40 virus, and thanks to the polio vaccine. What part of that do you not get?

    There are as well numerous studies that directly show SV40 to be a cause of cancer. Just because you only accept the cherry picked studies and with conflict of interest, is no excuse to not accept all of the existing studies.

    So why should a person who has no risk factors for Hepatitis B vaccine for example, take the risk of getting the vaccine? You deny the risk factors.

    There is MORE than enough evidence that Gardasil is doing far more harm than good.

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety -“HPV Vaccine Has Done This to My Child”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

    Olympic silver medallist Sarah Tait, 33, dies from cervical cancer

    And all for a vaccine that not only has not been proven to prevent cervical cancer, but actually may be causing it in regard to an increased risk of cervical cancer. Unrecoverd outcomes from this vaccine have covered the globe, (I believe literally thousands of them) and as well many deaths as an obvious result of this vaccine. And now the FDA recently as well approved the new and just as dangerous, Gardasil 9.

    The article states: “I had the cervical cancer vaccine when I was younger. I’ve had regular pap smears my whole life, most recently in December, which didn’t pick it up.

    Got the vaccines and still died. Were the vaccines the cause of her cancer? FDA says yes. Studies prove yes.

    Of course it was.

    Olympic silver medallist Sarah Tait, 33, dies from cervical cancer

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/…/olympic-silver-medallist…/

    “an additional item for discussion will be the finding in the baseline PCR positive and seropositive subgroup of study 013 of an INCREASED rate of CIN 2/3 or worse due to the relevant HPV vaccine types among Gardasil™ recipients. The review team found CIN 2/3 or worse cases among recipients of Gardasil™.” “Cervical intraepithelial neoplasia grade 2/3 (CIN 2/3) and adenocarcinoma in situ (AIS) are considered to be precursors to cervical cancer.”

    http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf

    (see Table 3). Table 3 of this study compared hpvs present in HPV vaccinated and unvaccinated women. The study showed a drop of a mere 0.6% of HPV 16 and 1.1% decrease in HPV 18. At the same time, however, the vaccinated women had a 4 to 10x increase in all of the other high risk, potentially cancerous HPVs. Wright TC Jr, Stoler MH, et al. The ATHENA human papillomavirus study: design, methods, and baseline results. Am J Obstet Gynecol. 2012; 206: 46.el-46.ell.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21944226

  • Cherry picked? How the hell is that considered cherry picked? It is not. There were no confounders and as I said. DeStefano admited in that interview that I put in front of you, that the only reason that he omitted the said data, was because he felt (In his biased mind), that all autism is developed in the womb, and that autism could not occur at the age of three. Thus he disregarding any and all information that any subject whatsoever developed autism after the MMR vaccine. IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT. Face it. There were no confounders that needed to be eliminated, and nor adjusted for.

  • Wrong. Either there was a group of children within that study that developed autism after the MMR vaccine, or there was not. You can not eliminated that group because you say there were racial issues in a subgroup, and because you falsely claim it was cherry picked. Cherry picked at the time of that study, by who? How do you determine that it was cherry picked? Are there any more false excuses that you can come up with?

  • No, as I said it is YOUR responsibility to provide the evidence for your claim, not mine. You have failed to do that, and you just keep changing your story in regard to your claim that the said omitted data was irrelevant.

  • You are nothing but a crazed mad man, as a fact.

  • Illucid? “LOL” So again you failed to answer my question, and again just spun your way around it.

  • So if you read it then explain in your own terms and or copy and paste from the study, why you believe the said omitted data needed to be omitted, and for a proper outcome to the study? How simple is this, and you can not do it, and you refuse to do it.

  • So you are saying that DeStefano’s statements were never actually made? His statements tell the entire story. His statements show the extreme bias that he had, and as well shows that he was clearly unfit to be an author of that study. He should have rightfully been disqualified from taking any part of that said study.

  • You are a liar. And I read every bit of it and ever reply that you made. So I am saying “its your fault”, just because i told you that you have to back up your claims with evidence? So, in your hypocrisy you are failing to take responsibility for your lack of supporting your claim? So now its my fault? Do you see how twisted you are?

  • You did not make any claim that was supported by evidence. You put forth nothing but a bunch of twisted BS, and you continue to.

  • So what. Again, that does not explain why the omitted data should have rightfully been omitted. How simple is this?

  • You have never put forth what it states and or shows in that table, and you have never put forth what the study states in regard to that table. That requires copy and paste. And you can not explain why confounders were found, what they were, and why the omitted data was omitted because of those confounders. How can there be confounders when DeStefano admits that the data was simply omitted because he did not believe it was true, and as to the data that was right in front of him. Why would Thompson state that it was the lowest point of his career to have gone along with that study, and if it had been done correctly?

  • You made the claim. So obviously what you are doing is rationalizing other potential causations for the autism that was found to have existed after the MMR vaccine. Really? And what evidence is there for those other alleged causations. What does lower education have to do with anything. You are entirely in denial, INSANE!

  • Again, more false excuses for your failure? Imagine that.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Is that you Neo?

  • Thomas Johnson

    Anti-vaxxers aren’t scared by vaccine preventable diseases because they hardly ever see them anymore-because of vaccines.

  • CharlieB1972

    Did you even read the story? What are the holes in it?

  • NecktopPC

    Actually; we’re concerned now about vaccine created super virulent diseases next.

  • NecktopPC

    Yes; repeat it often enough, and the masses will regard it as truth.

  • NecktopPC

    I have two pills; one blue and one red; which will you take?

  • transportjohnny

    Point is already made….supportive care has had a greater effect in reducing deaths.

    Ralph, for the last time……go away. Please.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you’ve changed your point from

    To make the point that vaccines have NOT saved lives

    It’s polite to say that you were wrong before moving them goalposts. :-)

  • NecktopPC

    Vaccines: Pie in the sky – and Big Pharma, along with the mainstream media, keeps us informed of the sky falling.

    “Measles death rates was nearly three times higher in non-metropolitan than in metropolitan counties.”

    “There was an inverse correlation between median annual family income of a county, and measles death rates of a county, with measles death rates being nearly 10 times higher in counties, where median family income was less than $5,000 than in counties where median family income was over $10,000.”

    That information was put together in the late 1960s.

    Some 45 years later, the worldwide median family Income, is about $10,000.

    Cases of malnutrition and other diseases prevalent during the Victorian era are once again on the rise in England as campaigners criticize the government for failing to address the growing number of families experiencing food poverty.

    Statistics released by the National Health Service (NHS) show that between August 2014 and July 2015, 7,366 people were admitted to hospital with malnutrition, a rise of nearly 2,500 on the 4,883 reported between 2010 and 2011.

    Other diseases which plagued Victorian society, including scurvy, cholera and
    whooping cough, have all become increasingly common since 2010.

    Perhaps more than anyone else: Big Pharma and the GOVERNMENTS they control, have long since realized the importance between poverty and profits; the more poor you are the profit for them through their vaccines.

    “Who Says There is No Money in Making Vaccines? At Least $5.7 Billion Given to Vaccine Manufacturers in 2011 by US Gov’t”
    https://vactruth.com/2012/11/30/2011-billions-vaccine-manufacturers/

  • transportjohnny

    OK Ralph…whatever you say. Go back and re-read the original question and my response. It was pretty clear……to most of us that is.

    BTW—–why do you feel the need to jump into other peoples conversations??? Don’t answer please….just consider it….Also, I have told you I don’t give a rip about your opinion.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Go back and re-read the original question and my response

    I did that. Your response seems to be

    To make the point that vaccines have NOT saved lives

    Did you make a mistake here? You could just say that.

    why do you feel the need to jump into other peoples conversations???

    I think the bigger question is: Why do you feel the need to consider a post on a public comments section a private conversation?

    Were I to guess you are just trying to avoid commentary you don’t like. After all, you seem to endorse AutismDadd’s ‘jumping into your conversation’.

    ProTip: You don’t get to pick and choose the people who respond when you speak in public.

  • transportjohnny

    But I do get to pick who I respond to…..

  • Jonathan Graham

    Right and so far you have picked me. So you have nothing to complain about. Other than not liking that publishing something in public means you have to see opinions about your writing that you don’t like.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m going to try consolidating some of these threads before I simply cut you off

    You can not eliminated that group because you say there were racial issues in a subgroup

    This isn’t even English.

    Cherry picked at the time of that study, by who?

    Well are you saying that Thompson thinks that the MMR does not cause autism in girls? Are you saying that it doesn’t? If so, then you are selecting specific results out of this study that you agree with and ignoring those that you don’t. Which is, by definition cherry-picking. Thompson had a pre-disposition to a particular conclusion. When he saw the correlation in the biased data the correct thing to do would be to reserve judgement, correct for the biases and then examine the results. However when this result disappeared because of correcting for biases in the data. He wanted to publish the biased data result anyway. This is cherry-picking.

    So if you read it then explain in your own terms and or copy and paste from the study, why you believe the said omitted data needed to be omitted

    This is barely English. I think you might be asking the same question I’ve answered a dozen times. The only thing omitted is the analysis. It’s not there because there are biases in the data – generally speaking it’s a good idea to remove biases before publishing your results.

    You have never put forth what it states and or shows in that table

    Sure I have. I just haven’t typed the whole table out. Which I don’t think matters you’re going to call me a liar anyway. Broadly, the tables in the study show various correlations between vaccination and autism biased sample and you can see either the correlation disappear or it’s significance disappear when the biases are corrected for. Again generally I don’t advocate reporting known biased data. You seem to think it’s a good idea.

    So obviously what you are doing is rationalizing other potential causations for the autism that was found to have existed after the MMR vaccine.

    These are all known biasing factors. It really shouldn’t take much effort to see the correlation between maternal age or birth weight.

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  • CharlieB1972

    You’ve [proven two of my points with that post. First, that the Dunning-Kruger is strong in you. Second, that the hard-core anti-vaccine cult will throw the unvaccinated under the bus if they say anything about vaccine preventable diseases harming their kids.

  • Thomas Johnson

    Yes but that’s only because of the anti-vax sites you read.

  • Typical shill, when all else fails, falsely accuse of the Dunning-Kruger effect. You as well never see your own hypocrisy in anything that you accuse. Also do not forget, When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

    I have never once heard anything like that said and nor implied. You know who actually gets thrown under the bus, and by the pro-vaccine side? The vaccine injured and their families. But you could care less about that, and because you deny it all.

    Brave Atlanta Reporter Calls Out CDC Over Vaccines & Autism
    http://vaxxter.com/brave-atlanta-reporter-calls-out-cdc-over-vaccines-autism/

    Reality Check: CDC Scientist Admits Data of Vaccines and Autism Was Trashed
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=63&v=lnS-xJCG6i4

    CDC Whistle Blower admits MMR Vaccine causes Autism
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q62DcaNs_0M

    Research References (supporting and replicating studies, and a very long list of studies on the MMR vaccine that have been ignored)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    Neurosurgeon Exposes Vaccines, CDC, FDA and Science Fraud in Medicine, (Dr Russell Blaylock)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzvsZ8Ps_U

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

    OUR MISSION

    Raise awareness for vaccine injury and shed light on how common it actually is.

    Have open, honest, and civil discussion about vaccine ingredients.

    Get answers for concerns about toxins in vaccines.

    OUR QUESTIONS

    Vaccine Injured Lives Matter! #HearUs

    Read more:
    http://www.parentsneedanswers.com/

    Vaccine Injury is “Rare”!
    http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/vaccine-injury-rare/

    Educate4theInjured
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/

    Facts And Science
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!the-factsscience/cc2d

    Re: File It Away Right Here Before You Forget! A Thread for Autism Research Paper Links
    FDA Document Reports Autism Link After Tetanus, Pertussis & Diptheria Combination Vaccine
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63627-File-It-Away-Right-Here-Before-You-Forget–A-Thread-for-Autism-Research-Paper-Links/page5

  • CharlieB1972

    If you cannot demonstrate holes in the story and back them up with good science, then the Dunning-Kruger point stands. As for my second point, you’re denying the terrible suffering of unvaccinated children because it makes vaccines look like the better choice. That’s throwing them under the bus!

  • CharlieB1972

    “Also do not forget, When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

    Which is precisely what the anti-vaxxers do when they start crying “shill.” every time they end up in a debate. I’ve come to see that a “shill” is someone who makes anti-vaxxers angry by arguing too effectively in favor of vaccines!

  • So why did you not reply right here, as the linked to post was only 9 hours ago, and just as this one was? Just more smoke and mirrors, if you ask me. And where do you want that replied to, here, or there? What, both places? You are a real piece of work. So, I will reply to it there.

  • Oh, you are going to cut, ME off; really? Hows that? Does that mean you are leaving? That really can’t happen, soon enough. Bon ….voyage!!!

    So what we have here again is more of your butchering my reply posts, taken from different reply posts than the one you were to reply to above, and as well your taking things out of context, and as well just more of your added replying, and completely pointless nonsense.

    You are attempting to put words in my mouth, and as to statements and claims I have never made. No one ever said that girls do not get autism. It is just that boys are affected more-so than girls, as to the numbers. That has a connection apparently to testosterone, and just as the Gardasil injuries do. Women as well produce testosterone, and is found in higher levels in the active and athletic.

    There was no biased data. The only thing that was biased were the viewpoints of DeStefano, and as I earlier and specifically stated and put forth, and with the interviewed statements that he made. Everything I have put forth and in front of you obviously just bounced off your head, and you must simply ignore it. So therefore given that outcome, you are arguing against direct evidence that there were no confounders and no biased information to correct for. Each and every time you claim to that, you can put forth no actual evidence for it, other than to just trust your word and your biased opinions.

    There has been no conclusive evidence in any study that the age of the mother is a significant factor in the development of autism. Certainly not to any degree that the result would be now 1 in 68 with an autism diagnosis outcome.
    http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

    The birth weight issue is concerning, and I will tell you why. Low birth weight infants are much more susceptible to the adverse effects of vaccines, and vaccine injury, and as their immune systems are far less developed. With even further and later vaccination, the risk of autism is obviously going to be higher.

    ER Nurse Shares His Experiences With Vaccine Reactions/ A Nurse’s Story ~ “I have seen the cover up.”
    http://healthyfamiliesforgod.com/2015/11/er-nurse-shares-experiences-vaccine-reactions/

    Bombshell Testimony: Hospitals Knowingly Caused Damage With Vaccines To Preemies
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFzlo0fUGUQ

    Study Shows Huge Increase in Vaccine Side Effects When Premature Infants Vaccinated
    http://paulthomasmd.com/2015/09/18/study-shows-huge-increase-in-vaccine-side-effects-when-premature-infants-vaccinated/

    NEW JAMA STUDY CONFIRMS NURSE WHISTLEBLOWER: ROUTINE HOSPITAL VACCINE DAMAGE HAPPENING TO INFANTS

    Journal of the American Medical Association study confirms whistleblower’s testimony that hospitals are covering up infant vaccine injury
    http://www.infowars.com/new-jama-study-confirms-nurse-whistleblower-routine-hospital-vaccine-damage-happening-to-infants/

    First They Came For The Nurses…Medical Tyranny
    Published on May 2, 2015
    Infowars reporter David Knight talks with Michelle Rowton of Nurses Against Mandatory Vaccines about what they aren’t telling you about vaccines.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVrxBihUT04

    Adverse Events After Routine Immunization of Extremely Low-Birth-Weight Infants
    http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2300376&utm_source=silverchair+information+systems&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=jamapediatrics:onlinefirst06/01/2015

    More on the MMR vaccine, (and the known whistle blower scandal).

    Brave Atlanta Reporter Calls Out CDC Over Vaccines & Autism
    http://vaxxter.com/brave-atlanta-reporter-calls-out-cdc-over-vaccines-autism/

    Reality Check: CDC Scientist Admits Data of Vaccines and Autism Was Trashed
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=63&v=lnS-xJCG6i4

    CDC Whistle Blower admits MMR Vaccine causes Autism
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q62DcaNs_0M

    Research References (supporting and replicating studies, and a very long list of studies that have been ignored)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    Neurosurgeon Exposes Vaccines, CDC, FDA and Science Fraud in Medicine, (Dr Russell Blaylock)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzvsZ8Ps_U

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

    OUR MISSION

    Raise awareness for vaccine injury and shed light on how common it actually is.

    Have open, honest, and civil discussion about vaccine ingredients.

    Get answers for concerns about toxins in vaccines.

    OUR QUESTIONS

    Vaccine Injured Lives Matter! #HearUs

    Read more:
    http://www.parentsneedanswers.com/

    Vaccine Injury is “Rare”!
    http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/vaccine-injury-rare/

    Educate4theInjured
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/

    Facts And Science
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!the-factsscience/cc2d

    Re: File It Away Right Here Before You Forget! A Thread for Autism Research Paper Links
    FDA Document Reports Autism Link After Tetanus, Pertussis & Diptheria Combination Vaccine
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63627-File-It-Away-Right-Here-Before-You-Forget–A-Thread-for-Autism-Research-Paper-Links/page5

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

    Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety
    “HPV Vaccine Has Done This to My Child”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

  • That obviously does not contain anything of the sort. What is actually wrong with you, anyway? In fact it is the same link you just posted before, and that I replied to. And why are you so twisted that you need to reply on another discus link, rather than make your reply right here? Isn’t that more than just a little bit …messed up?

  • Replied to on the thread. So, what kind of a sick smoke and mirrors attempt is that, and to create some appear to be smoke screen that you actually have something, and any more than you had before? Amazing.

  • Same stupid link to the same stupid reply, and that I have already responded to on that thread link. It does not show and nor prove anything at all.

  • Same thing, nothing.

  • Why don’t you just give it up. This kind of repeated nonsense should actually get you banned.

  • Same thing, same thread link, and you provided absolutely nothing. And nothing to back any of your claims. Pure madness.

  • Of course I read the story. That woman clearly made it all up. It is a fabricated story. The only question is how much was she paid for it. Voices For Vaccines is a big pharma front group. Dorit Reese and Paul Offit affiliated. It is the selective ignorance of people like you which keep that fabricated story on the front burner.

    Voices for Vaccine is a Top-down Front Operation Launched by a CDC Partner in 2008
    http://www.omsj.org/blogs/voicesforvaccine-front-big-pharma

    Why Vaccines Are Scientific Fraud
    http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/why-vaccines-are-scientific-fraud/

  • But you clearly are a shill, and yet you deny it. You have obviously never argued anything, effectively. You are a hypocrite and you are entirely delusional.

  • Dunning-Kruger …”LOL” And I have more than backed everything up, previously. You simply refused and ignored the information.

    Where do you find the terrible suffering of unvaccinated children, in the US? What you actually find is very healthy and happy children that are adversely their health affected by 49 doses of 14 toxic and known contaminated injected vaccines by the age of 6. In fact it is the vaccinated, that are suffering. Again, the only ones getting thrown under the bus and even denied their very existence, are the vaccine harmed and injured, and their families. If vaccines are so safe, why can’t you sue the drug companies? What other product on earth has ever acquired that kind of legal liability protection?

  • CharlieB1972

    Oh, those wonderful little unvaccinated snowflakes with their perfect health. NOT!

    https://www.facebook.com/656716804343725/photos/a.660980460584026.1073741827.656716804343725/1273593205989412/?type=3&theater

    The “vaccinated adults are really unvaccinated” talking point shows that your cult really doesn’t understand what they’re talking about. The measles vaccine offers lifetime immunity, so there’s no need to re-vaccinate. Measles is not the only vaccine offering long-term immunity.

    We know that measles hasn’t been eradicated by natural immunity because 120,000 people are still dying every year from it, mostly in developed countries. That number used to 2.6 million before we started vaccinating. Pertussis is still killing a lot of people in developing countries as well. You may think it worthwhile to have millions of more people croak in the quest for natural immunity, but pro-vaxxers don’t. That’s why you’re a tiny minority of the population.

    Cashing in on that poor baby’s death? What kind of sicko-weirdos would do something so terrible?

  • CharlieB1972

    That’s the pot calling the kettle black!

  • CharlieB1972

    Heather Dexter, the woman involved, has been denounced up and down by Gorski and a bunch of other pro-vaxxers. So did the all-knowing all-seeing, all-powerful Paul Offit and Dorit Reiss forget to consult with the all-knowing all-seeing, all-powerful Gorski? Do you know how ridiculous you sound, Lowell?

    It’s because what you’re saying is ridiculous. Dexter is an anti-vaxxer and her story was never posted on Voices for Vaccines. You’re calling her a liar because she actually said pertussis was horrible for her children. That’s really sick, man.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Oh, you are going to cut, ME off; really?

    I’ve certainly thought about it. I’ll just point out here that from now on I’m not even going to acknowledge anything other than a short cite. That is a few (less than four) sentences that make your point and then a reference link. If you haven’t read those links sufficiently to provide a proper cite then I’m certainly not doing your homework for you…and because of the long response we’re back to quoting.

    No one ever said that girls do not get autism. It is just that boys are affected more-so tha n girls, as to the numbers.

    Then you are taking the results you prefer from DeStefano and leaving the ones that don’t agree with. Again if you had read DeStefano you would know it shows no effect for girls even under Thompson’s original analysis. This is the definition of cherry-picking.

    There was no biased data.

    That’s exactly what a confounder is. A bias.

    you are arguing against direct evidence that there were no confounders and no biased information to correct for.

    Are you saying that in your myriad of links there is a quote stating that not a single child in the study had lower birth weight, older parents, lower maternal education or multiplicity. If so, please share it. Otherwise your links do not sufficiently address my claim. :-)

    There has been no conclusive evidence in any study that the age of the mother is a significant factor in the development of autism.

    Uh but then you quote…

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

    You realize that this link of yours says the opposite right?

    The birth weight issue is concerning, and I will tell you why. Low birth weight infants are much more susceptible to the adverse effects of vaccine s, and vaccine injury, and as their immune systems are far less developed. With even further and later vaccination, the risk of autism is obviously going to be higher.

    Then some of the low birth weight children in this study could have been autistic before the administration of the MMR. Right?

    So I’ll add another comment here. Since this is all about confounders. I was wondering if you can explain to me – without quoting, without links. What mathematical operations you do to correct for confounders in a study. Perhaps showing a small set of ten elements, before and after you correct.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Please add anything you think is missing to this thread https://vactruth.com/2016/02/18/mmr-vaccine/#comment-2557282618

  • Jonathan Graham

    Please continue to spew your vitriol here: https://vactruth.com/2016/02/18/mmr-vaccine/#comment-2557282618

  • Jonathan Graham

    If you feel something has not been covered please discuss it in thread: https://vactruth.com/2016/02/18/mmr-vaccine/#comment-2557282618

  • Jonathan Graham

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  • Jonathan Graham

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  • Jonathan Graham

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  • Jonathan Graham

    Thank you for your co-operation. Please recommend this kind of restructuring to your friends.

  • And what? You did not actual answer my question and comment. That is so typical, and you simply evade the statements and the facts in front of you, time after time.

    For anyone that is wondering about what goes on with these vaccine shills like so called J. Graham, here.

    Vaccine Shills and Their Bullying Tactics
    http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?58790-Vaccine-Shills-and-Their-Bullying-Tactics

    Professor David Gorski, a well-known online character assassin masquerading as a science defender

    Internet Trolls Attack Anyone Resisting Vaccine Party Line
    http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/11/internet-trolls-attack-anyone-resisting-vaccine-party-line/

    “Science”Blogs: Seed Media’s Aggressive Weed
    Part I: Fertilizer From Pharma
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/09/scienceblogs-seed-medias-aggressive-weed.html

    Least We Forget the Blatant Cruelty of the Vaccine Industry and Their Propagandized Trolls and Shills
    http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2014/06/26/least-we-forget-the-blatant-cruelty-of-the-vaccine-industry-their-propagandized-trolls-and-shills/

  • There you go again, making replies and in moving posts back and forth and to somewhere other than on the replied to thread right here which you should be replying on. The only game you have going this point is to create as much confusion as possible for any readers, and to cover up your losing this so called debate, on every level. What a twisted and stupid man.

  • Share what? You have nothing. So why not just admit it JG, you know that you have obviously and entirely lost your mind. You have nothing left.

  • So why is it that could you not actually respond to the specific reply post? In any honesty you can not respond to it. So you just move on to more of and the further mindless and pointless nonsense, that you see right here.

  • I think that somehow we are talking about two different articles. I was talking about and referring to this one. There is nothing sick about it, and other than in the fact that you disregard the risks of vaccines and aluminum adjuvants, and just keep on advocating for vaccines as if there is no significant risk to health. That is what is really, sick. You refuse to accurately access any form of a real risk vs benefit ratio.

    Growing Up Unvaccinated
    http://www.voicesforvaccines.org/growing-up-unvaccinated/

    Again, given the known study I posted and that was done with baboons, and in the realization that the pertussis vaccinated can still shed the pathogen to others even when remaining asymptomatic; therefore those to young to be vaccinated are still at risk, and the vaccine likely will not protect them. In and as to the so called sciencebased article, that article does nothing to bolster your claims that vaccinating is better. I am not against the use of antibiotics in the case of pertussis, and nor any other situation that the benefits are likely to outweigh the risks of antibiotics. High doses of vitamin C and D are as well something I would recommend.

  • I am simply telling you, and putting forth the truth. There has never been any vaccine shill that has EVER admitted that they were. Are you telling me that vaccine shills do not exist on these articles? That is what you actually want the readers to believe? And who would and could actually be that ignorant? In regard to me, what you see is what you get, and the truth is always there and as best I can put it forth. I have never made a single red cent from it, and there are zero conflicts of interest. It is all done simply because I that strongly believe in the need of this vaccine truth mission. To many children and individuals are being harmed by vaccines. The real vaccine risk verses alleged benefit, needs to be exposed.

  • And no one knows who those people who supposed posted that are, and if it is fake or not. In every case I have ever known of of an un-vaccinated family, those children are rarely sick with anything like and even close to what vaccinated families experience. It is no that the unvaccinated never get sick, but they have far less health issues, and in comparison. Every independent study that has ever been done comparing vaccinated verses un-vaccinated health, finds dramatic differences in that health outcome, and the un-vaccinated are always much healthier.

    Measles vaccine does NOT offer life time immunity, and NO vaccine has EVER provided life long immunity. Due to the unnatural nature of how vaccines work, that would as well be an obvious impossibility. There are as well measles outbreaks in recently vaccinated children where it has been found that the largest part of the outbreak is in the vaccinated.

    Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • What have you ever argued effectively, at all? The real answer is, nothing. A shill is someone who falsely keeps arguing for vaccines as proven to be largely safe and effective, and regardless of the evidence against it. Therefore people determine you to be a shill, and simply because no one without and connected to vaccine vested interests of some sort, would ever remain that wrongfully persistent, out rightly lying and nor remain that deeply in denial. This is obvious common sense that you choose to ignore.

  • Well just keep believing all those CDC and WHO numbers. Surprising that in those underdeveloped countries that they could care less to give those children clan water and food, but for the most part only vaccines. When a malnourished child receives a round of vaccines, the risk of vaccine injury is significantly increased, and people like Bill Gates keep on doing more harm than good in those situations. You never considered that aspect to it.

    What un-vaccinated children in the developed and industrialized are suffering terribly, without vaccines? You are DENYING the suffering of vaccine injured infants and children, and as well their families and which will as a result, never know a healthy child again. That child they knew, is then gone. But you could care less about that. You simply deny that any of it had anything to do with vaccines.

    What do you think about the fabricated sickness found in these article stories?

    http://www.voicesforvaccines.org/growing-up-unvaccinated/

    http://www.voicesforvaccines.org/how-my-daughter-taught-me-that-vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/

  • Jonathan Graham

    Moved to help you better respond…

    Oh, you are going to cut, ME off; really?

    I’ve certainly thought about it. I’ll just point out here that from now on I’m not even going to acknowledge anything other than a short cite. That is a few (less than four) sentences that make your point and then a reference link. If you haven’t read those links sufficiently to provide a proper cite then I’m certainly not doing your homework for you…and because of the long response we’re back to quoting.

    No one ever said that girls do not get autism. It is just that boys are affected more-so tha n girls, as to the numbers.

    Then you are taking the results you prefer from DeStefano and leaving the ones that don’t agree with. Again if you had read DeStefano you would know it shows no effect for girls even under Thompson’s original analysis. This is the definition of cherry-picking.

    There was no biased data.

    That’s exactly what a confounder is. A bias.

    you are arguing against direct evidence that there were no confounders and no biased information to correct for.

    Are you saying that in your myriad of links there is a quote stating that not a single child in the study had lower birth weight, older parents, lower maternal education or multiplicity. If so, please share it. Otherwise your links do not sufficiently address my claim. :-)

    There has been no conclusive evidence in any study that the age of the mother is a significant factor in the development of autism.

    Uh but then you quote…

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

    You realize that this link of yours says the opposite right?

    The birth weight issue is concerning, and I will tell you why. Low birth weight infants are much more susceptible to the adverse effects of vaccine s, and vaccine injury, and as their immune systems are far less developed. With even further and later vaccination, the risk of autism is obviously going to be higher.

    Then some of the low birth weight children in this study could have been autistic before the administration of the MMR. Right?

    So I’ll add another comment here. Since this is all about confounders. I was wondering if you can explain to me – without quoting, without links. What mathematical operations you do to correct for confounders in a study. Perhaps showing a small set of ten elements, before and after you correct.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Please continue your exceptionally valuable comments here. Please add anything you feel I’ve missed to the thread: https://disqus.com/home/discussion/vactruth/you_decide_the_risks_and_benefits_of_the_mmr_vaccination/#comment-2563742218

  • Jonathan Graham

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  • Jonathan Graham

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  • AutismDadd

    J G is an annoying troll. We need a vaccine for him.

  • AutismDadd

    Pro Tip… trollism alert!

  • AutismDadd

    So lets inject babies with LIVE rubella virus….genius!

  • Bec

    My three kids all got measles, mumps, rubella, whopping cough and chicken pox when they were younger and they suffered through it with no medications and are so much stronger for it. I know if they are faced with the now prevalent mutated illnesses they will be all the stronger for it and survive. Vaccinating against disease is ridiculous, the vaccine carries so much more harm in its ingredients than the disease itself. Not to mention that it is futile, as diseases are a life force of their own- they will always prevail, they will grow and mutate and continue to exist for eternity, they only way to deal with it is to embrace it and work alongside it to better your immune system. Weakening your body with vaccines and medicine will only cause more harm. The problems arise when children are treated with allopathic medicine throughout the disease, the reduction of the vital fever during the beginning of the disease with nuerofen and panadol, the snowballing effects of the different medicines and treatments that Drs and hospitals administer. This is the cause of most of the adverse reactions to a disease, not the disease itself. Illness is a normal and very important part of our makeup, we need to get sick to be strong. It is so easy to be strong and free of the medical institution. Follow these three rules
    1. Do not vaccinate or take medicine
    2. Eat a plant based diet
    3. Allow sickness to run its natural course without taking any suppressive medications or treatments
    Easy…..cheap and sadly not ever encouraged by the medical institutions
    The human race is becoming weaker and weaker, full of allergic, asthmatic, ADD, cancer ridden individuals. It is and always has been survival of the fittest.

  • How many times do I have to tell you there were no existing confounders which changed the actual outcome data of that study.

  • Just more of your obvious and endless rambling, denial, and insanity. Nothing would ever be enough.

  • Really? There is absolutely zero profit to be made in promoting the vaccine truth, and in the forms that I do. I have repeatedly shown and proven you to be exactly what I have stated that you are. Just face it.

  • But you are actually ineffective and delusional as to what you say you accomplish.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, since you claim to know so much about confounders. can Explain to me – without quoting, without links. What mathematical operations you do to correct for confounders in a study. Perhaps showing a small set of ten elements, before and after you correct.

    Tell yourself whatever stories make you feel better but the fact is you are not qualified to make the distinction you are claiming but feel free to demonstrate that you know less than zero. :-)

  • Again what do you not understand about that there were no applicable confounders other than a major amount of in denial bias? It is no different than the Simpson Wood (Thimerosal) cover-up.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again what do you not understand about that there were no applicable confounders

    I understand that this is something entirely unsubstantiated. Not only that but it’s something you are utterly unqualified to speak even three words about. So again , please demonstrate that you know how confounders are controlled for.

    If you don’t, then we’ll just call this “lowell’s brain is stuck” and call it a day. :-)

  • SHOCKING Autism Cover-Up Investigative Documentary 2016 on CDC and Vaccines
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BArHKVgZqsE

    CDC Whistleblower Admits Suppressing Information Regarding Vaccines and Autism
    http://truthinmedia.com/cdc-whistleblower-admits-suppressing-information-regarding-vaccines-and-autism/

    Reality Check: CDC Scientist Admits Data of Vaccines and Autism Was Trashed
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnS-xJCG6i4

    USA: Highest Vaccination Rate in the World Has the Worst Health, (Its not just autism)
    http://www.realfarmacy.com/usa-highest-vaccination-rate-in-the-world-has-the-worst-health/

    200 Evidence-Based Reasons NOT To Vaccinate
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/200-evidence-based-reasons-not-vaccinate-free-research-pdf-download

  • Jonathan Graham

    So I guess you are admitting you have absolutely no qualification or idea on how to adjust for confounders. Right? Moving on then.

    Please supply a direct quote where pretty much the phrase “no confounders were found” is used and a reference to it. You won’t because a) You have no idea what such a quote would look like and b) You haven’t really read these references.

    Since again you have no idea what you are talking about and would have no idea even if you were directly looking at it. Only a irrational person would bother reading. You might as well ask a thee year old to do contour integration.

  • Really? By the way any honest person here and with a thinking mind can see just how in denial you are. You will continue to devise and concoct any twisted and false excuse on earth to avoid the reality of the fact that very significant and useful data in that study was clearly covered up.

    Take some time and simply attempt to absorb within your mind some obvious reality in this. If you won’t, then perhaps the readers that are concerned enough to search for the real truth here, will.

    VAXXED DIRECTOR ANDREW WAKEFIELD BREAKS SILENCE ON VACCINE VIOLENCE AGAINST CHILDREN AND CDC COVERUP
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKYG907AovU&feature=youtu.be

    Research references supporting and replicating the findings of Wakefield’s well known 1998 Lancet study, now having falsely been claimed to have been discredited. This long list of studies should have in any honest and thinking mind a finding that certainly the MMR/autism risk has most certainly been simply swept under the rug by the standard and obviously mislead big pharma based medical model.

    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    Pediatrician Dr. Paul Thomas Agrees with Robert De Niro: “Let’s Find Out The Truth” About Vaccines
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2016/pediatrician-dr-paul-thomas-agrees-with-robert-de-niro-lets-find-out-the-truth-about-vaccines/

    124 Research papers supporting Vaccine/Autism Causation
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/124-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link#scribd

  • Jonathan Graham

    Really?

    So you have not one reference that says: “no confounders found” right? That’s just something you made up.

    By the way any honest person here

    I think that list excudes someone like you who says “HEY THERE WERE NO CONFOUNDERS” but then turns out can’t really point out where, if anywhere that was said.

    Give it up Lowell. You lost this one. Unless you can produce a quote that clearly and unambiguously states that “no confounders were found”. Which you can’t because: a) You don’t really read this stuff and b) you have no idea at all what you would be looking for.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So far you haven’t shown any indication that you know what a “fact” would be. So I’m no so sure if we should take your word on this.

  • In your delusional state of mind you refuse to admit that it is clearly you that has lost. And you clearly did not even bother to review the information that was put in front of you. They cooked the data, they ignored the data, and they deleted the relevant and useful data, plain and simple. Nothing and nor any form of argument at all, can ever cover up the obvious reality of that said studies outcome. It is long past time for you and your stubborn, twisted, and persistent level of denial, to give it up.

  • The obvious “fact” is that you have been taken in by the false pro-vaccine propaganda, and that you clearly choose to remain in denial, and as well utterly clueless as to the real “facts”.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ditto for you Lowell. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    In your delusional state of mind you refuse to admit that it is clearly you that has lost.

    I think anyone regardless of their state of mind can see you said words to the effect of “no confounders found” and can also see you have provided no clear and unambiguous quote to that. If you have then I’m sure someone else can point out that clear an unambiguous quote of yours. They can’t because, you’ve never done that and now you’re getting called out on this deception of yours.

    Thompson’s entire complaint is about the BC cohort. Since controlling for confounders explains it’s use unless you can provide a clear and unambiguous quote that states that this control was not needed. Then my argument stands and yours falls. :-)

  • I can obviously show and prove the claims that I make, and all while you continue on in your endless denial and with your twisted delusions. There are no similarities and nor ditto in the comparison between you and I.

  • Jonathan Graham

    At this point, there is only one claim we are discussing and you obviously can not show a quote supporting it. Because you haven’t. :-)

  • Bombshell: Top CDC Whistle Blower: We Were Ordered to Cover Up Vaccine-Autism Link
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-u0UnOF5xU

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, you keep avoiding this question. You claim that you can support your points – CLEARLY AND UNAMBIGUOUSLY – and one of your points is there were no confounders. So until you produce a clear and unambiguous quote stating “no confounders”. You are lying.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Just a bit dishonest.

    1 in a thousand die from measles. Another 2 to 3 will experience permanent cognitive or sensory deficits. 1 in 4 are hospitalized.

    Vs 1 in a million or less might have a true serious reaction following mmr vaccination.

    Measles has a very nasty habit of erasing immune memory for up to 3 years following infection. All cause mortality consistently declines as measles vaccination increases

    See http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/05/measles-vaccine-cuts-risk-of-other-childhood-diseases/

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/05/measles-vaccine-cuts-risk-of-other-childhood-diseases/

    All cause mortality declines with increased mmr vaccination.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    All cause mortality consistently declines with Mr vaccination

    http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/05/measles-vaccine-cuts-risk-of-other-childhood-diseases/

  • eggman2

    I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU NOW AN EXCELLT EXAMPLE OF AN EDUCATIONAL PROSTITUTION ( INSTEAD OF INSTITUTION ) IN ACTION. Things like this is what makes possible things as useless and dangerous as vaccines to survive for centuries. It represents the epitome of the collusion of science and business for the benefit of business and the detriment of the people.

    The University of California at Davis is running an advertisement on the radio that speaks of the benefits of cutting the umbilical cord ( Intelligent people know that the opposite is true because there are no benefits for the mother nor the baby. In the case of the baby the damage done by that action will last a lifetime. ). They say that it is painless : How the H___ do they know that , if they are not the baby ? They say that the blood collected from the umbilical cord is good to treat immune disorders ( There you have it : I have said that that is one of the natural vaccines that the baby gets. ), degenerative diseases, and so on.

    What they don’t tell you is that that blood, in a natural setting will be squeezed into the baby as the placenta goes out through the vagina. So that blood belongs to the baby , so the baby develops a strong immune system ( and does not need vaccines ) and doesn’t develop degenerative diseases.

    What they don’t tell you is that the parturition becomes harder if the umbilical cord is cut while the placenta is inside the mother ( as it could be done by the stupid doctor ) as if the communication between the baby and the placenta is cut off , and the placenta doesn’t know that the baby is out , so it clings to the uterine wall. The doctor ,in such a situation , scrapes the uterine wall , leaving it damaged. If they are going to collect a lot of blood from the umbilical cord, this is the most likely procedure not to allow the baby to have it instead.

    Natural childbirth without ever cutting the umbilical cord has been confirmed by anthropologists working in the field with primitive people.

    The acceptance of the cutting of the umbilical cord, like the practice of vaccinations and the woman lying down position for childbirth, is a good example of what I call civilized stupidity syndrome.

  • eggman2

    Same here

  • eggman2

    The chicken littles and the brainless sheep are gathering around always to hear their mother , big pharma , for advice.

  • eggman2

    Prostituted websites from prostituted sources never count.

  • eggman2

    That typical pro-vaxxer must be prostituted right now. I have read about prominent scientists changing their opinions and become prostituted after they join the junk medicine robber barons in the little room.

  • NecktopPC

    Ask your doctor if the medicine is right for you. Chances are; the doctor may be on the payroll of Big Pharma, and will always answer yes.

    Open Payments Data: Sometimes, doctors and hospitals have financial relationships with health care manufacturing companies. Open Payments is the federally run transparency program that collects information about these financial relationships and makes it available to you.

    https://openpaymentsdata.cms.gov/

  • eggman2

    Thanks, I have looked at it.

  • NecktopPC

    You’re welcome – its at least encouraging that a website such as this actually exists…pressure from the aware public does wonders.

  • Bill Pembry

    This post is a better example of civilized stupidity syndrome.

  • Wrong, mortality clearly increases after vaccination.

    Studies show that the countries with the most vaccines have the worst infant death rate. More than 32 Million U.S. Children are as well chronically sick and as well have developmental disorders.
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/studies-show-that-the-countries-with-the-most-vaccines-have-the-worst-infant-death-rate/

    AUTISM AND VACCINES AROUND THE WORLD:
    Vaccine Schedules, Autism Rates, and Under 5 Mortality
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/gr-autism_and_vaccines_world_special_report1.pdf

    Mississippi First in Infant Vaccination Rates – Highest Infant Mortalities
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/mississippi-first-in-infant-vaccination-rates-last-in-infant-mortalities/

    Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
    http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644

    US Ranks Behind 25 Other Countries in Infant Mortality
    http://www.livescience.com/47980-us-infant-mortality-full-term-babies.html

    A new study published in Current Medicine and Chemistry titled, “Sudden infant death following hexavalent vaccination: a neuropathologic study,” lends support for the long theorized link between an ever-expanding number of infant vaccines and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS).
    http://kellybroganmd.com/driving-epidemic-sudden-infant-death-sids/

    U.S. has highest first-day infant mortality out of industrialized world, group reports
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-has-highest-first-day-infant-mortality-out-of-industrialized-world-group-reports/

    Coincidentally the US is also one of the most highly vaccinated for numbers and doses.

    Graph of the day: The United States has a really high infant mortality rate
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/09/graph-of-the-day-the-united-states-has-a-really-high-infant-mortality-rate/

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • The already long existing and the real study science has already long since, shown us what the REAL truth is.

    Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    A recent study found that women vaccinated with the measles vaccine pass on far less immunity to their offspring than women who are not vaccinated. Measles jab reduces inherited immunity

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/503025.stm

    Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage

    Conclusions. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long

    Protective Effect of Childhood Measles Against Degenerative Diseases in Later Life

    The above study indicates that a lack of rash in measles is associated with an increased incidence of autoimmune and degenerative diseases in later life. As the rash is the means through which the toxin is expelled from the body, its absence leads to the measles virus remaining in the body. The widespread use of vaccination has led to the appearance of “atypical measles” and “mild measles” where no rash develops. This can expose children to diseases in later life.

    Read more:
    http://www.vaccines.me/articles/afcjt-protective-effect-of-childhood-measles-against-degenerative-diseases-in-later-life.cfm

    Measles Virus Infection Without Rash In Childhood Is Related To Disease In Adult Life. The Lancet, January 5 1985
    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2885%2990961-4/abstract

    The truth about the measles, natural immunity, and the vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-truth-about-the-measles-natural-immunity-and-the-vaccine.html

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • Having the ability to read the studies findings and in any honesty read what has been stated by those involved with it, clearly forms a conclusion that they’re obviously were no significant confounders. You are repeatedly twisting it all, simply to avoid that correct conclusion. I have already given you more than enough of what normally is, and would be unambiguos quotes.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, you avoid the question. You claim that you can support your points clearly and unambiguously. One of your points is there were no confounders. So until you produce a clear and unambiguous quote stating “no confounders”. You are lying.

    Your claim above appears to be that stating: “Having the ability to read the studies findings and in any honesty read what has been stated by those involved with it, clearly forms a conclusion that they’re obviously were no significant confounders. ” is a CLEAR AND UNAMBIGUOUS support of the statement “there are no confounders” if so then claiming “Having the ability to read the studies findings and in any honesty read what has been stated by those involved with it, clearly forms a conclusion that they’re obviously were several significant confounders.” Is clear an unambiguous support of the claim “there are confounders”.

    So if you really think your statement amounts to supporting your point you are making yourself far more stupid then you really need be.

  • AutismDadd

    I think Graham needs to cut back on the exlax

  • AutismDadd

    Is Jonathon harassing you?

  • AutismDadd

    Jonathon is a serial harasser

  • AutismDadd

    Yea what if an immunocompromised person when shopping at Walmart and encountered someone whose waning vaccine allowed them to become a carrier? Should we close the mall down forever? I mean God Forbid a single case should happen in this pristine world of ours right?