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A New Billboard Reminds Parents Vaccines Can Kill Their Baby

In an effort to remind parents that vaccines can kill their baby, a billboard has been placed in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, on interstate I-10 at College Drive, to honor Baby Reid Englehart and all of the other children taken from these toxic injections.

Baby Reid died at the age of two months old, only nine days after the doctor said it was safe to vaccinate him with eight vaccine doses, while he was sick. The vaccines were never investigated before his death was ruled as being caused by some unproven reason, rather than the vaccines that overstimulated his immune system.

Reid’s parents cannot directly sue those responsible for his death. The manufactures of those eight vaccine doses are protected from liability, afforded to them since 1986 through the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. [1]

There is no amount of compensation a parent can receive to replace their child that died from vaccines the doctor insisted were safe. And there is no recourse for those killed from vaccines. [2]

Since Reid’s original story was published through VacTruth, many other parents have come forward admitting the same thing happened to their child and the vaccines were not even mentioned on their babies’ autopsy reports. [3]

When doctors are collecting money from the insurance companies, for each vaccine administered to these babies they helped kill, the parents are left begging for help, to pay for funeral costs and a headstone. [4]

This treatment is one main reason why parents will no longer vaccinate their children. The financial burden from a vaccine injury is much more costly than getting any of these mild childhood diseases naturally.

Parents of children who died from a vaccine injury are demanding accountability. These deaths will not be covered up. The Back To Sleep Campaign distracts the public form the truth that vaccines are behind many of these sudden infant deaths.

Reid’s mother, Christy Day, wants all parents to research vaccines as much as they would research their child’s food, carseat, highchair or stroller. It only makes sense a parent should research what is directly getting injected into their baby.

Christy grieves daily over the loss of her son and has experienced how families are treated to cover up these vaccine-related infant deaths. She wishes she could turn back the clock and would have never allowed her children be part of this vaccine experiment. She will continue to share her story to raise awareness, so other babies get to live.

Brandy Vaughan, founder of LearnTheRisk.org, has worked tirelessly to raise money to fund this billboard. She is an ex-pharmaceutical representative who witnessed corruption from the inside and hence founded LearnTheRisk.org, because parents are not being given necessary information to make an informed decision.

Brandy shares:

“Learn The Risk made history by launching one of the most POWERFUL billboards the vaccine truth movement has ever seen — a billboard honoring baby Reid Englehart, who lost his life to vaccines, in his hometown of Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

I want to send a huge heartfelt thank you to all who donated, to help make baby Reid’s billboard a reality — it was a dream come true for his mother.

In Reid’s honor, we also launched a Sudden Infant Death info page on the website. Learn more about SIDS here

Further donations will help keep this board up and running and bring it to other areas in the US, so more parents understand the REAL risks of vaccines and save other children from the same fate. PLEASE DONATE TODAY TO HELP KEEP THIS BOARD UP!” [5]

By sharing Reid’s story, we can help save other children from the same fate.

References:

  1. http://www.nvic.org…No-Pharma-Liability–No-Vaccine-Mandates-.aspx
  2. https://vactruth.com/2015/02/19/vaccine-injury-compensation/
  3. https://vactruth.com/2016/03/07/8-vaccine-doses-killed-2-month-old-baby/
  4. https://www.gofundme.com/SweetAngelBabyReid
  5. http://www.learntherisk.org/reids-board/
Augustina Ursino
 

Augustina Ursino has spent many years researching vaccine ingredients and vaccine reactions. Once she became aware of so many children and adults dying after vaccinations and that most people that survived them are living with vaccine injuries, this impelled her to write these stories. She earned a BS in Marine Biology, focusing on conservation biology and realized it didn’t make sense to inject life forms with the ingredients used in vaccines, under the guise of keeping us healthy. Augustina now writes for VacTruth and continues to help families negatively affected from vaccines.

  • This is the most directly to the point vactruth article yet, thank you.

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Proof that Big Pharma Doesn’t Care About Vaccine Harm and Resulting Death
    http://www.vacfacts.info/proof-that-big-pharma-doesnrsquot-care-about-vaccine-harm.html

    Learn The Risk
    http://www.learntherisk.org/

  • Jesus baby

    The most “directly to the point vactruth article” ever is about an anti-vax roadside sign in Louisiana?

  • Its all about endless denial and no matter what, isn’t it; the only goal you have. Your trolling shill replies mean nothing and are worth nothing to people who actually independently research and realize the vaccine truth. All you are here for again and again is to create more deliberate distraction and disruption, and at the same time and all while you will contribute and reply with absolutely nothing of fact and substance.

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • Jesus baby

    I’m trying to understand why in your mind an article about a roadside anti-vax sign in Louisiana is the pinnacle achievement of Vactruth.

    http://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/yellow-throated-warbler

  • dsaulw

    This billboard turns the tables on the vaccine promoters. For generations, they have fearmongered young parents into believing that if they don’t vaccinate their kids 24/7, then their kids will die.

    They don’t tell them that it is far more likely that their kid will die from letting the government play doctor than from allowing his immune system to do its job.

    Thank you Christy and Learn the Risk. This billboard will awaken many.

  • In your mind you have denied, and deliberately understood nothing at all, from square one, and on any article that you have ever posted on. So why would we expect that to change?

  • Jesus baby

    So you’re saying this is the most truthful vactruth article of all time then. An article about an anti-vax roadside sign in Louisiana.

  • Quit trying to just simply and deliberately twist it all around. All of the vactruth articles are truthful, and all of them have been supported by sufficient evidence. You see how these trolls work; they come in here and intentionally argue about nothing, and just to cause only more distraction and disruption. And yet the editor can not see the need and the reason that these kind of trolls should be banned from the site. Any form of honest and diligent debate simply does not happen with these people, and it distracts and as well prevents people from having any desire to post genuinely honest and informational replies. Quite obviously there is little to no moderation, existing.

  • Jesus baby

    Well, Lowell, what did you mean by, “This is the most directly to the point vactruth article yet”? It reads like you hadn’t even read the article and were just using it as an excuse to spam your web site.

  • It is direct and to the point, as the evidence to back what is on that sign is clearly shown and proven by multiple sources. The sign in itself is what is the most directly to the point, and the article information as well. The sign is very needed to wake parent up and to start doing the independent research. Of course you would want them to only listen to and go to such as the CDC, Pediatrics, and Offit CHOP sites.

    Now you can quit your sick and twisted badgering, antagonizing, and further attempts to only create more distraction and disruption. All in all you repeatedly fail to address directly any vaccine issues, but to further attempt to falsely antagonize a me, and any reply post made by me.

    Learn To Discern
    https://wearesto.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/10981074_753871864681271_5015391480841516779_o.jpg

    Learn to discern…easier said than done
    https://wearesto.com/2015/07/17/learn-to-discern-easier-said-than-done/

    The Credibility Discernment Trap is a term referring to the tendency to focus on who is sharing an idea as the sole measure of accuracy, due to lack of knowledge about the idea being offered. As a result, many choose to believe (or not) what is presented based solely on the person discussing it and their reputation, instead of the ideas themselves. We need only look out into society to see the vast majority of unawakened people operate in this way, accepting ideas only if they are peer reviewed or if they came from XYZ source.

    Due to pervasive conditioning, many people simply do not have time or the faculties to discern what is real for themselves, and rely on experts. The trap being, we could become the acolytes of the expert following them like a religious figure, instead of using them as a source for data we contemplate. Of course every piece of knowledge we gain comes from someone (including ourselves) who spent time and energy to understand it, so in this sense experts and scholars can be very helpful. But if we do not learn the specific details personally, we could fall into a dualistic mindset: “this person is true, and this other person is false.” However if we examine even the most obvious example of a ‘shill’ or ‘dis-info’ agent, there are many concepts offered which have truth in them. Fox News is widely regarded as a propaganda network by most aware people, yet when it was reported “the World Trade Center collapsed,” it does not mean this is untrue. Rarely, if ever, can we so easily cast someone into the category of absolute liar or shill; for a web of lies is woven with strands of truth, but the ideas can certainly be judged on their merits.

    Read more:
    http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2015/02/learn-to-discern-alfred-lambremont.html

  • Jesus baby

    Lol Lowell if you believe we shouldn’t focus on who is sharing an idea, why are you always asking for people’s names and occupations? Aren’t you just being a hypocrite?

  • In our world as a human being, how much more worthless can you get? Your mind is clearly beyond, twisted. Such a level of personal and mental sickness is not acceptable in our society.

  • Jesus baby

    Well you have to admit it’s pretty hypocritical, Lowell. And you of all people shouldn’t be telling others what is acceptable in our society.

  • More attempted false discrediation. There is nothing hypocritical in anything I have ever posted. You as well have never been able to show that there was. All you ever have to your credit is more misinformation, and lies.

  • Jesus baby

    Now Lowell, are you denying that you frequently demand posters tell you their actual identities and places of employment in an attempt to discredit them? And did you not just post this:

    The Credibility Discernment Trap is a term referring to the tendency to focus on who is sharing an idea as the sole measure of accuracy, due to lack of knowledge about the idea being offered. As a result, many choose to believe (or not) what is presented based solely on the person discussing it and their reputation, instead of the ideas themselves…….?

  • Jeez….is he always this feisty?

  • @shay_simmons:disqus I feel like this discussion could definitely use you

  • Well that’s not very nice…

  • Is there evidence that they should tell them that?

  • dsaulw

    Absolutely. When Japan delayed vaccination until after 2 years of age, their infant mortality rate dropped, precipitously. They went from middle-of-the-pack to the best, practically overnight.

    SIDS (generally) = vaccine murder

  • Yeah, he’s a lunatic. He believes every single health-related conspiracy/fringe/kook theory out there. I have no doubt that you could trick him into believing a fake theory that you just made up, so long as you could convince him that the medical establishment disagrees with it.

  • I don’t see a precipitous drop in Japan’s infant mortality rate. When was this?

  • Mike Stevens

    It’s a myth promulgated by that retired palaeontologist, Veira Scheibner, apparent self-proclaimed expert in medical matters, immunology, infectious diseases and vaccinations.

  • FallsAngel

    That is untrue. What happened when Japan raised the age of DPT vaccine to 2 is that claims for compensation for SIDS due to DPT vaccines dropped, because SIDS by definition occurs in kids under a year of age. What also happened was an increase in deaths due to PERTUSSIS. So they did the sensible thing and reinstituted infant immunization.

  • FallsAngel

    Says a lot about Vactruth, doesn’t it?

  • Have any evidence for your Japan statement? Did you just say that Japan delayed all vaccination until the children were over 2 years of age? I’d be very interested in some evidence for that lunacy.

    Please don’t quote some anti-vaccine Bratislavan Bozo with expertise in micro fossils by the name of Scheibner. Her SIDS propaganda has been debunked for years.

    By the way, here’s the SIDS rate in the USA from 1980-2010:
    sids(dot)org/wp-content/uploads/table-1.jpg
    Look at that! The SIDS rate dropped by 2/3rds during that time. The USA must have really reduced the number of vaccinations they give to infants during this time. There is no way that the SIDS rate could drop that dramatically while the number of infant vaccinations rose.
    Correct?

    Then why do the anti-vaccinationists rant and rave about the increase in the number of vaccinations during this time contrary to the message of your statement?

    In reality it seems that the dramatic drop in SIDS is associated with an increase in infant vaccinations.
    The exact opposite of what you try and convey.

    Isn’t that amazing?

  • Can you explain why, in Australia, vaccinated infants have less SIDs?

    Do you have evidence that vaccines cause SIDs?

    Can you show me the original citation for Japan?

  • dsaulw

    See this article, and note:

    1) the faultiness of the assertion that this claim has somehow been “debunked”

    2) that it was not based on original research by Scheibner … it was other doctors who were pointing out this inconvenient truty

    http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/jsids.html

  • EEJIT

    I think he is actually Ron Roy because he keeps claiming that I am someone else

  • FallsAngel

    Scheibner is the author of your link.

  • http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.IMRT.IN?locations=JP <- Where's the precipitous drop after 1975?

  • shay simmons

    I dunno, I’m kind of enjoying watching from the sidelines as dsaulw gets shredded.

  • shay simmons

    Only if by “feisty” you mean “incoherent. ” Then yes, he is.

  • Bingo.

  • Now so called Jesus baby, Obviously I have a real identity, and as well obviously I have no conflicts of interest. That is not the case for you trolling shills. Thus there is no hypocrisy involved. We are talking directly about the issues of vaccine risk. I present with facts, and present with denial, and no facts representing your case. All you conduct is repeated antagonization, and further attempts at only more distraction and disruption. Therefore your said tactics and biased dishonesty, require that you reveal your identity, and any conflicts of interest. That is simply and obviously something you should easily understand, but you do nothing but ignore the reality of your outcome. You repeatedly have nothing, and you might as well admit that you are not here for and as to the vaccine issues at all.

    I posted the information to you regarding the statement, Learn to Discern. Do you think that you need to repeat it back to me, as if I do not know what it is?

    What you have done is only twist it all around, and entirely ignore the true premises my post was based on.

  • Try me? Get started.

  • You can easily see that Ron Roy is not the same person, but keep making it up as you go.

  • How many pro-vax trolling shills do you need in here at one time; you all must been alerted to some kind of needing to shut the vaccine truth down, crisis?

  • How many times have I actually shredded, you? People like you simply do not live within any form of truth and reality.

  • Just more attempted false discrediation. Is that all you have?

  • Mike Stevens

    How’s this to discredit her claim then:
    (DTP use was stopped in the late 1970s in Japan. All you need do is indicate on the chart where the infant mortality rate “precipitously dropped”)
    http://www.jpha.or.jp/jpha/english/apha/overview.html

  • Discredited soil theory, HIV denialism, heavy metals causing autism, all science being rigged, I don’t even remember some of the rest… Do you think the Earth is flat, too?

  • Nobody asked me to come — I saw in my Latest Comments feed that people were having fun with you, and I couldn’t let them have my favorite nutjob all to themselves! By the way, I’m still not a shill, and you’re still a loon.

  • Jesus baby

    So you’re not a hypocrite because the advise you give applies to everyone but you.

  • shay simmons

    That’s an easy one, Lowell- zero.

  • As opposed to you, who believes HIV doesn’t cause AIDS, germs don’t spread disease, autism is caused by heavy metals, it takes the CIA to flip an image horizontally, optical microscopes can reveal things smaller than light waves…what else?

  • shay simmons

    Japan serves as a canary in the coal mine to other nations in that respect. Unfortunately, it requires enough Japanese children to become ill and/or die to make GOJ change it’s mind.

  • shay simmons

    …did he ever figure out the difference between a flower and a weed?

  • Nope!

  • And of course there is absolutely nothing you will not deny.

  • And you just keep on making up your ignorant and twisted, BS.

  • Like what, Lowell? What am I making up?

  • shay simmons

    Rubbish. I don’t deny you’re a loon.

  • EEJIT

    Gee Ken what’s with the fancy language,you are talking to poor old Mr Hubbs.Spematowhat andHominiculys.

  • Here’s a pretty picture :P

    http://i.imgur.com/hN69aTb.jpg

  • I find nothing in that article that directly addresses the issue as to what we are talking about.

    Any honest person would have to conclude that there is more than sufficient information and data to conclude that vaccine indeeds can do cause SIDS, and more.

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

    Proof that Big Pharma Doesn’t Care About Vaccine Harm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/proof-that-big-pharma-doesnrsquot-care-about-vaccine-harm.html

    REDACTED VACCINE DEATH FORENSICS REPORT

    Baby M’s Parents,

    Petitioners
    Vs.
    Secretary of Health and Human Services,

    Respondent
    Preliminary Neurobehavioral/Forensics Report: Baby M, a minor.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/baby-ms-parents-vaccine-death-forensics-report.html

  • That is again just a reiteration of the same post, and without any evidence for anything, but to again promote anything more than your twisted and false claims. Perhaps you should instead just go back to replying on and as to the issues that this article is about; instead of just focusing on your attempts at personal attacks and false discreditation. Oh, and that’s right, quite obviously that is all you have even been able to do, here; in addition to attempts to only distract and disrupt away from any process of honest and diligent debate.

  • Sure thing, ya fruitcake.

  • So you just unload another pile of twisted BS and trash; and then plead ignorance.

  • So name calling is all you have to post, and when and as well you are unable to counter my obviously correct assessment, and accusation.

  • For some reason there must be going on here some really desperate situation, and times for you shills. Is this site and this article so damaging to the pro-vaccine agenda, that there needs to be sent in 10 trolling shills to repeatedly post various forms of attacking replies, in the comment section of this article? These people are all known pro-vaccine trolling shills.

    Shay Simmons
    Ken S.
    Sarah
    On Its Own Merits
    Reality022
    Falls Angel
    dsaulw
    Mike Stevens
    Jesus baby
    EEJIT

  • Ron Roy

    Josephine don’t lie. Take your meds and go back to bed.

  • Ron Roy

    Look at who’s calling someone old. Put that walker away when you go to bed.

  • Ron Roy

    Not being ” nice ” is promoting vaccine that cause lifelong harm and even death.

  • Did you ever figure out the basic comparison concept of the soil and the seed, in regard to human health and health care? Obviously you didn’t. It doesn’t exactly take a rocket scientist to comprehend that one. In fact all it takes is someone with even as much an existing level of common sense.

  • You can put a frame around that warped and stupid reply, and put it in the pro-vax shills hall of shame.

  • AutismDadd

    If you tell the truth about vaccines, uptake would plummet.

  • AutismDadd

    Sock Puppets R Us

  • They sure are a desperate lot, and what ever is motive behind it.

  • No matter how deeply you understand an obsolete theory, it doesn’t magically become true. Soil theory was abandoned because it’s not consistent with the observed behavior of pathogens and disease.

  • What am I making up, you delusional failure?

  • Of course nobody can counter your “obviously correct assessments” — you’re too dishonest and delusional to even understand the evidence against you, let alone acknowledge it.

  • Mike Stevens

    Well can you point out on the Japan IMR chart where it “precipitously dropped” in the late 1970s?

    Stick to the topic, Waldo.

  • Obsolete where? You mean never existing a correct understanding within the circles of misguided pharma schooled indoctrination. The soil theory was well known and working in the existing at the time health care circles of the day, but abandoned at the time that Pasteur’s work was selected as the only protocol that would sell the building of a billion dollar all controlling and monopoly pharmaceuticals driven drug empire. You don’t even know what you are talking about, and you just lie about it and further make it up as you go. That said empire has clearly been nothing but a failure, and in doing in the bigger picture, far more harm than good.

    PHARMA DEATH CLOCK
    http://www.pharmadeathclock.com/

    Medicine Kills Millions
    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/

    Death by Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    The Drug Story-A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease, (the real answer)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

    GLOBAL VACCINE MARKET: RAPID
    GROWTH and CHANGING STATUS
     Tripled in value from USD 5B in 2000 to almost USD 24 B in 2013
    – Influenza vaccine market: estimated at $2.9 billion in 2011 to $3.8 billion by 2018
    – US : $1.6 billion in 2011 to $2.2 billion in 2018
     Global market projected to rise to USD 100 B by 2025
     More than 120 new products in the development pipeline
     60 are of importance for developing countries
     Vaccines: becoming an engine for the pharmaceutical industry
     Changing status of the vaccines within the pharmaceutical industry
     New business model for vaccines is emerging?

    Read more:
    http://who.int/influenza_vaccines_plan/resources/session_10_kaddar.pdf

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

    Vaccine Market Size Projected To Reach $77.5 Billion By 2024
    https://www.grandviewresearch.com/press-release/global-vaccine-market

    There are now 271 new vaccines in Big Pharma’s (no liability risk) pipeline.
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/there-are-271-new-vaccines-in-big-pharmas-pipeline/

    United States Tracks Children to Push Gardasil Vaccine – Rest of the World Becoming Skeptical

    Parents Receive Letters from State Strongly Urging HPV Shots for Their Tracked Children

    The United States continues to carelessly move forward with the HPV vaccine Gardisal. Meanwhile, due to its endless damage, the shot is the center of criminal lawsuits in Spain, India, France, Japan and many other countries. In the UK, the HPV vaccination push has 8,228 official reports of side-effects, almost more than all other vaccine reports combined. Dr. Dalbergue, a former pharmaceutical industry physician with Gardisal manufacturer Merck gave a 2104 interview stating that: “Gardisal is useless and costs a fortune” as well as predicting “Gardisal will become the greatest medical scandal of all times…” Ignoring data and worldwide protest, The Departments of Health within U.S. states are now sending letters to parents advising their children to submit to HPV vaccinations. With no prior announcement, parental consent given, or notice, the states of New York and Indiana have tracked HPV vaccine non-compliers and are now hassling them with physical letters.

    Read more…
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/united-states-tracks-children-to-push-gardasil-vaccine-rest-of-the-world-becoming-skeptical/

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

    About GcMAF, (macrophage stimulating factor), in relation to human health
    http://www.vacfacts.info/about-gcmaf-macrophage-stimulating-factor-in-relation-to-human-health.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    Is this site and this article so damaging to the pro-vaccine agenda, that there needs to be sent in 10 trolling shills to repeatedly post various forms of attacking replies, in the comment section of this article?

    Lowell your ability to not understand the internet is pretty epic. If bet if you look at the followers/following of most of those people you’ll find a lot of overlap. Which better explains why they all end up in one place than your theory that this article interferes with some nefarious plan by vaccine overlords lizard men or whatever it is you think is behind this.

  • Jesus baby

    Since my reply was just a summation of your position I think you just called your own position warped and stupid.

  • Jesus baby

    But where are the microzymes Lowell?

  • Overlap of what, exactly? Shill drivel?

    There is nothing you can claim to that will explain away what I see here, and what I stated in regard to it. So the increased and increasing number of trolls posting here is all just a coincidence, and just like the vaccine injuries that you claim are all a coincidence, even imaginary, and not vaccine injuries at all.

    You never post anything that has ever met square in the eye with truth and reality. Everything for you is always, and only about making denial.

    And my understanding of the internet is obviously more than sufficient.

  • So you can’t answer to any of the above statements and information, so you just simply take off with more of your false antagonizing. Where are those viruses?

    It seems that your forms of vaccinology exist as being more than a bit messed up. How can good human health and resistance to illness be achieved by injecting a slew of rancid substances like this?

    THE FRANKENSTEIN VIRUS

    Like most of America, the Medical system is corrupt and rigged in order to control the people and make money by keeping people sick.

    Five Reasons to Abolish All Vaccine Laws NOW.
    Reason one. Viruses are not living and do not exist.
    Go to the next page after you read this page.

    This picture of the so-called virus that they said caused polio came from the book,” POLIO AND THE SALK VACCINE. 1956

    Written by Alton l. Blakeslee SCIENCE EDITOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS and with a Forward by Basil O’Connor, President, The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Notice it says magnified 100,000 times with the electron microscope. The vaccine inserts say they have ‘living virus’ in them. They are lying. If the masses believe in living viruses and that they are a cause of disease, then the vaccine racket will go on forever. If you believe in viruses or not, the first thing you MUST know is that a “living virus” is a living lie. The only real pictures of the so-called virus are like the one above. Black and white pictures. They all will say magnified by an electron microscope as much as 180,000 times. All color pictures etc. are COMPUTOR GENERATED or what is called an “artist conception” (A fraud). Or in plain English–bull shit.
    The “fuzzy white sphere” is not what people think-a live or dead agent like a bacteria. It is what is called a pellet. It is the solid part of the infection they used that has been separated by their centrifuge machine.

    YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS NEXT FACT BEFORE GOING ON.

    Here is the Function of the Electron Microscope straight from the Manufacture.

    “The electron microscope is capable of revealing details as much as 1000 times smaller than visible in light microscopes because the wavelengths of electrons are much shorter than those of light. Transmission electron microscopes make it possible to explore cell strucrures and large protein molecules. Because beams of electrons can pass through thin samples, cells and tissues MUST BE CUT INTO ULTRA THIN SLICES BEFORE THEY CAN BE EXAMINED UNDER A MICROSCOPE. With scanning electron microscopes, a pencil like beam of electrons is scanned over the surface of a specimen. For images, specimens do not have to be cut into thin slices to be visualized. The scanning electron microscope produces scanning three-dimensional images of cells. Because electrons are easily scattered by molecules in the air, samples examined in both types of electron microscopes must be placed in a vacuum in order to be studied. As a result, researchers chemically preserve their samples first and then remove all the water before placing them in the microscope. This means that electron microsopy can be used to visualize only non-living preserved cells and tissues.”

    One doesn’t have to be a scientist or doctor to understand the way an electron microscope works. Any intelligent 10 year old can understand the words, “THIS MEANS THAT ELECTRON MICROSOPY CAN BE USED TO VISULIZE ONLY NON-LIVING PRESERVED CELLS AND TISSUES.

    ​No one has EVER seen a live virus, because they don’t exist.

    Stop now. To read is one thing. To know is another. Google the electron microscope for proof.

    The picture of the virus above was taken with the electron microscope. The real question is what was the object or material that is in the picture? You won’t believe it at first. After you study this you will realize how sick these people called virologist were and are today. People like that psychopath Paul Offit. But here is Salk describing what a virus is. Page 160. from the book The Saga of Jonas Salk,” (1966)”Now, the principle of vaccination is not difficult to understand. “A vaccine is made of the virus that causes the disease.”

    You will discover that the diseases caused by (their) viruses was the poison they used to create ARTIFICIAL disease in the laboratory, by injecting infected material (poisonous) into healthy animals. This artificial creation of disease had nothing to do with natural sickness.

    These are all taken from the book Thomas Rivers wrote in 1948. At the end of the page I will list more so that you fully understand what these sick people called virologist do to create artificial disease and make their poison virus vaccines with, and that is injected into children and said to prevent disease.

    Chapter 9–Harold N. Johnson-A Rockefeller worker.

    Page 233. Rabies. There are only a few laboratories outside of France and the France colonies that continue to prepare vaccines from desiccated spinal cords. It has been found that rabbit brain is a much better source of fixed virus (made in the laboratory) than is spinal cord. ( Fixed virus is when they inject the poison into animal after animal)

    Page 234. during recent years, the Semple vaccine has been the one most commonly used in the United States. It is package in 14 doses of 2cc. each of a 5 per cent rabbit brain suspension in physiologic saline solution and contains 0.25 percent phenol. (Phenol is a highly poisonous caustic crystalline chemical derived from coal tar, commonly called carbolic acid.

    VACCINE RECIPES.

    This recipe was from the shyster who said he grew the polio virus in 1949, John Enders. From the book, “PAPERS AND DICUSSIONS PRESENTED AT THE SECOND INTERNATIONAL POLIOMYELITIS CONFERENCE. 1952, sponsored by the National foundation for Infantile Paralysis.

    Page 35. “For the direct isolation in tissue culture of poliomyelitis from STOOLS of patients, a 10 per cent suspension of feces in saline was prepared. After the addition of 100 units of penicillin and 100 micrograms of streptomycin per cubic centimeter, the suspension was centrifuged for 30 minutes at 3500 r.p.m. in a Sorval angle-head centrifuge machine and 0.1 cc of the supernatant fluid employed as inoculum. White mice and rhesus monkeys have been inoculated intracerbrally with materials from tissue cultures in order to demonstrate the presence or absence of the virus.”

    Spinning $hit and injecting it into a monkeys brain. Man these people are beyond looney.

    Peter K. Olitsky,M.D. Rockefeller Employee.
    from the book, “VIRAL AND RICKETTSIAL INFECTIONS OF MAN

    THOMAS RIVERS,M.D. 1948

    1. Material-Infected brain tissue from mice.

    2. Add Rabbit serum.

    3. Grind in a bowl or blender.

    4. Centrifuge.

    5. Extract fluid in a syringe.

    6. Inject into the mouse’s brain through the scull or the nasal cavity.

    So lets end this by going back to the beginning.

    SO HOW DO THEY MAKE THE ANIMALS SICK IN ORDER TO USE THE INFECTION IN THEIR EXPERIMENTS?

    Here is the answer.

    READ MUCH MORE:
    http://www.shotsoftruth.com/

    INDESCRIBABLY DISGUSTING VACCINE INGREDIENTS

    SO WHAT ABOUT THE FLY IN OUR SOUP?

    It may not do any harm at all, especially if it has been well heated in the soup!

    However, all injected substances including insect fragments bypass the body’s intricate defense mechanism. The same substances which are harmless when ingested are shown to be extremely detrimental to health when injected. This is learned by medical students and others, but many doctors, health authorities and other vaccine promoters appear to ignore this basic fact.

    Read more:
    http://birthofanewearth.blogspot.com/2012/01/indescribably-disgusting-vaccine.html

  • This bit of an expose right here should more than adequately show anyone what really goes on.

    Thank God For Disneyland [Measles Outbreak] Says “Health” Speaker at NYU Vaccine Event

    If you want to see and get an a direct understanding of the CONTINUED false vaccine propaganda distortion, and as to the compliance threats, and as to the brainwashing of doctors and medical students that goes on, read THIS article, and view the video, VaxXed Stories: Social Engineering of Medical Professionals.

    Dr. Suzanne Humphries attended a meeting on promoting vaccines at NYU in New York City on November 21, 2016. The speakers for this conference were California State Senator Richard Pan, Dr. Paul Offit and law professor Dorit Reiss.

    The title of the conference was “Confronting Vaccine Resistance,” and the audience consisted of medical students and other in the medical profession.
    The video starts with NYU law professor Mary Holland and Suzanne Humphries, MD on their way into the talk. Mary said she wanted to ask the panel how their perspective squares with informed consent.

    After the three hour conference, Suzanne discussed what was said at the talk with Polly Tommey on the Vaxxed Bus. (Suzanne’s remarks are transcribed below.)

    Read more:
    http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/thank-god-disneyland-measles-outbreak-says-health-speaker-nyu-vaccine-event/

    VaxXed Stories: Social Engineering of Medical Professionals

    Published on Nov 23, 2016
    Dr. Suzanne Humphries attends a meeting called “Confronting Vaccine Resistance: Strategies For Success” at NYU Langone Medical Center in New York, New York on November 21, 2016. This meetings speakers were Senator Richard Pan, Dr. Paul Offit and Dorit Rubenstein Reiss. Afterwards she comes out to the VaxXed Bus to share what happened. Camera and editing by Joshua Coleman.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuwUUqg74r8

    Of course major profits on a now since 1987, no legal liability for anyone, vaccine product; would have nothing to do with it, would it?

    GLOBAL VACCINE MARKET: RAPID
    GROWTH and CHANGING STATUS
     Tripled in value from USD 5B in 2000 to almost USD 24 B in 2013
    – Influenza vaccine market: estimated at $2.9 billion in 2011 to $3.8 billion by 2018
    – US : $1.6 billion in 2011 to $2.2 billion in 2018
     Global market projected to rise to USD 100 B by 2025
     More than 120 new products in the development pipeline
     60 are of importance for developing countries
     Vaccines: becoming an engine for the pharmaceutical industry
     Changing status of the vaccines within the pharmaceutical industry
     New business model for vaccines is emerging?

    Read more:
    http://who.int/influenza_vaccines_plan/resources/session_10_kaddar.pdf

    Vaccines Market worth $57.8 Billion by 2019
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vaccines-market-worth-578-billion-by-2019-289805011.html

    There are 271 new vaccines in Big Pharma’s (no liability) pipeline, looking for eventual FDA approval.
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/there-are-271-new-vaccines-in-big-pharmas-pipeline/

    Vaccine Market Size Projected To Reach $77.5 Billion By 2024
    https://www.grandviewresearch.com/press-release/global-vaccine-market

    United States Tracks Children to Push Gardasil Vaccine – Rest of the World Becoming Skeptical

    Parents Receive Letters from State Strongly Urging HPV Shots for Their Tracked Children

    The United States continues to carelessly move forward with the HPV vaccine Gardisal. Meanwhile, due to its endless damage, the shot is the center of criminal lawsuits in Spain, India, France, Japan and many other countries. In the UK, the HPV vaccination push has 8,228 official reports of side-effects, almost more than all other vaccine reports combined. Dr. Dalbergue, a former pharmaceutical industry physician with Gardisal manufacturer Merck gave a 2104 interview stating that: “Gardisal is useless and costs a fortune” as well as predicting “Gardisal will become the greatest medical scandal of all times…” Ignoring data and worldwide protest, The Departments of Health within U.S. states are now sending letters to parents advising their children to submit to HPV vaccinations. With no prior announcement, parental consent given, or notice, the states of New York and Indiana have tracked HPV vaccine non-compliers and are now hassling them with physical letters.

    Read more…
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/united-states-tracks-children-to-push-gardasil-vaccine-rest-of-the-world-becoming-skeptical/

    VaxXed Stories: Britney in Ohio (GARDASIL)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmobsrzRAQQ

  • Jonathan Graham

    Overlap of what, exactly?

    Is reading really that big of a problem for you? The people in that list have a significant amount of overlap in who they follow and who follows them. Which is all you really need to explain the convergence of people in that thread.

    So the increased and increasing number of trolls posting here is all just a coincidence

    More accurately it’s an expected outcome without any other modifiers. So there’s no reason to look any further for a hypothesis.

    vaccine injuries that you claim are all a coincidence, even imaginary, and not vaccine injuries at all.

    Some of those terms are mutually exclusive. What I claim is that whatever injuries follow vaccination they don’t differ significantly from chance. Hence that data can’t support any hypothesis other than chance.

    And my understanding of the internet is obviously more than sufficient.

    Didn’t you spend ages claiming I was using a special application to post? Didn’t you fabricate some story about what OS or browser I use? I think deficient is a better adjective.

  • Jesus baby

    The soil/terrain theory requires microzymes, Lowell. Stop the link-spam distractions and deal with that.

  • No spikes and drops at all in that graph, just a perfect curve, right. Makes it more than a little hard to believe. What about the US?

    Coincidentally the US is also one of the most highly vaccinated for numbers and doses.

    Graph of the day: The United States has a really high infant mortality rate
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/09/graph-of-the-day-the-united-states-has-a-really-high-infant-mortality-rate/

    Infant Death Rate: U.S. Falls Behind 68 Countries, According To Save The Children
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/08/infant-death-rate-in-us_n_3237776.html

    WHAT’S BEHIND THE HIGH U.S. INFANT MORTALITY RATE
    http://stanmed.stanford.edu/2013fall/article2.html

    U.S. has highest first-day infant mortality out of industrialized world, group reports (coincidentally most infants as well get the Hep B vaccine within those first 24 hours)
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-has-highest-first-day-infant-mortality-out-of-industrialized-world-group-reports/

    Multiple Infant Vaccines Linked To Dramatically Increased Mortality
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/multiple-infant-vaccines-linked-dramatically-increased-mortality

    Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
    http://het.sagepub.com/…/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644​

  • Actually it does not, and in the modern form of understanding it, microzymes do not even need be mentioned. This is what is missing from the standardly mislead and indoctrinated big pharma based controlling monopoly medical model. Obviously this basic level of common sense thinking and learning is much to deep for you. But then you can not learn anything when you choose not to.

  • This is the largest load of twisted bull crap, ever yet written by you. Congratulations. You are deserving of a large picture of yourself, and that post as well framed and placed in the Pro-vaccine Shills Hall of Shame.

    And no, I have not fabricated anything in regard to you, and you know that what is stated is true.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s interesting that something as simple as the clustering that comes from many of us seeing the posts of people we follow gets interpreted by vaccine critics as the moves on a chessboard by some shadowy conspiracy.

    Do these people have too little drama in their lives or simply not enough. I can never tell.

  • That is the topic, Waldo. What do you see when you read the title of the above article. Now what do you see as to the suject nature of what I posted.

  • That means that you are sick, and personally driven to falsely antagonizing me. At least you admit to it.

  • You have a false excuse for everything.

  • In your twisted mind, you obviously then can make yourself think anything. You don’t even need basic evidence and common sense to just throw your own falsely accusing and twisted lumps of poo back at the screen, and through your keyboard.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I have not fabricated anything in regard to you

    Lowell, you are in no position to make claims about my browser or OS choice. Since…

    a) You are amazingly ignorant. Qubes is about security not about privacy. The only thing privacy enhancing about it would be a couple of niceties for using Tor. So outside of Tor, Qubes is irrelevant. Unless you’re claiming you’re trying to hack into my machine. Is that what you’re claiming Lowell. :-)

    b) If I’m using Tor, you would have no chance of identifying my OS because the only information you would have is information about my browser and…

    c) If you knew anything about the subject of browser identification you would know it’s relatively easy to fake.

    d) Using the Tor browser is really mainly for people who use machines that they don’t have administrative privilege on. For example from an internet cafe. You can still use the Tor network without the Tor browser. There is nothing privacy enhancing about the browser over the network.

    e) Anyone who’s used the Tor network knows it’s performance is slow to crappy depending on the desired outport. If you’re using tor and not attempting to control the outport then you are just telling people you use Tor – so you have already testified that I don’t use it by complaining how quickly I respond to you.

    f) If the point is simply to hide my identity. I could get just as much anonymity by using a $10 VPN for this purpose. If my source IP was in a CIDR owned by a VPN it gives you no more information about me than from a Tor exit node.

    I could easily go on and on about the problems with your reasoning.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s just math. I can’t make you any better at that if you’re unwilling to learn.

  • Mike Stevens

    So, you can’t show a precipitous drop in IMR in Japan on the chart.
    That’s all I wanted to know. Thanks for confirming.

  • Jesus baby

    Can you explain “the modern form” of the soil/terrain theory to us then? Because all your whale.to links describe microzymes as central to Bechamp’s theory.

  • Jesus baby

    Can you explain how someone not following their own advise isn’t a hypocrite then?

  • And don’t even bother to try telling me that its not good enough for you, because it is not in my own words, and because I wrote and created those pages.

    Basic Understanding of Naturopathic Health Care
    http://www.vacfacts.info/a-basic-understanding-of-naturopathic-health-care.html

    Natural Protocols Recovery From Cancer
    http://www.vacfacts.info/natural-protocols-recovery-from-cancer.html

  • You best form your question more specifically, than that. The first sign of a loser in any argument or debate, is the person who simply does nothing but argue over the meaning, and the intended meaning of words and terms.

  • I don’t need to. Nothing within that general information is ascertained to even show or reflect that short period of time drop. That is your source, not mine; and I do not need to reaffirm anything within your sources, and which may be unreliable.

  • Obviously what you are claiming is all entirely hypothetical. Any self conjured up explanation at all will work for you, and in making denial of what really takes place. So tell me, how would you even know what the other shills have followed and looked at, and even if that were the case? It seems to me that your claim is a claim based on an assumption.

  • Continued:

    Lets go one more here, and show additionally what is taking place. For any readers here that value retaining their parental rights, and are concerned about it. This will likely not stop with just CA.

    Ep 68- Dr. Pan Reveals His “Final Solution” [My Incredible Opinion with Forrest Maready]

    Pan introduces another taking your personal and health care rights away, and as for your children. Senate Bill 18. This subhuman creep Pan, might as well put on a Nazi uniform and just keep wearing it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaD5cDG5f-4

    Read the SB18 Bill – SENATE BILL No. 18
    Introduced by Senator Pan, December 05, 2016

    This bill would strip away parental rights and hand over control to the State concerning medical care, dental and vision care, schooling, the home environment, religious instruction, and many other possibilities. The bill is written so vague that it could be widely applied and enforced in any manner the State sees fit. These parental “rules” would be enforced through fear of the child being taken away, destroying families and breaking down the last barrier of protection for children.

    http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB18

    This bill will increase children taken into the system and destroy families as well as the children themselves. PARENTS KNOW BEST. We need all hands on deck! How can you help TODAY?!!

    Please get involved in the campaign to STOP SB18

    Learn The Risk
    http://www.learntherisk.org/stopsb18

    SB277
    http://parentsrightscalifornia.weebly.com/

    SB792

    On September 4, 2015, bill author Senator Mendoza added a last minute amendment expanding this vaccine mandate to include volunteers at children’s daycare facilities including State licensed home based daycare. Pre-schools and even parent co-ops if monies are exchanged will not be exempt from SB792. This new mandate would also apply to head start, early childhood centers, private school nurseries, and after school programs.

    http://parentsrightscalifornia.weebly.com/ca-sb-792-forced-adult-vaccines.html

    The vaccine debate, Forrest Maready.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYj2Lr4Biqg

    Physicians Opposed to Mandatory Vaccines Start “Physicians for Informed Consent” Organization
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2016/physicians-opposed-to-mandatory-vaccines-start-physicians-for-informed-consent-organization/

    Medical Doctors Concerned We Are Giving America’s Children Too Many Vaccines Too Soon
    http://jennifermargulis.net/blog/2016/12/medical-doctors-concerned-we-are-giving-americas-children-too-many-vaccines-too-soon/

    You have the RIGHT to complete information on vaccines, and not just the biased and non-independent information from falsely assumed authorities that have no legal liability for any vaccines injuries, but yet however if the real vaccine truth becomes generally known, they in fact will have everything to lose. That is what is involved with the information that I as well posted here; those within the circles of vaccine regulation want to control and shut down any vaccine dissent that they can. More and more children are becoming vaccine harmed and injured, and those at the top, they do know that.

    More vaccine injury stories

    VaxXed Stories: Lily in Florida

    Published on Dec 13, 2016
    Lily was born with Moebius Syndrome, believed to have been caused by her mothers flu vaccine while pregnant. Lily suffered subsequent damage from her childhood vaccines as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNSS7PJbGAs

    VaxXed Stories: Angel in Long Island, NY

    Published on Dec 12, 2016
    Angel’s mother tells the story of her vaccine injury.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYWKE0TW7Cc

    VAXXED TV (a collection of vaccine injury stories)
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwZDSEpPvE398OLazdituKQ

    This is one of their own Pediatricians, Paul Thomas, and that has been awakened. He now has as well developed the outline for a more reasonable and slower vaccine schedule. It is not even about if or not vaccines work anymore; it is about the CDC and other false authorities recognizing the seriousness of the vaccine injury problem, admitting to it, and in that …working to change it. That is not going to happen. The additional problem is that there never will be a safe vaccine, as it is impossible to make a safe vaccine that does not contain toxic and known contaminated ingredients.

    VAXXED MOVIE REVIEW (By One of Americas Top Voted Pediatricians) | Dr. Paul
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzMNxClUwNA

    Ep 67- Two Reasons to Say No to Gardasil [My Incredible Opinion with Forrest Maready]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dm-jLBgbzE&spfreload=5

    #VaxXed #Nebraska #HPV #Gardasil, (Savannahs Gardasil story)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr-Qi9UBOYc

    Say No To Gardasil Bumper Sticker
    https://myincredibleopinion.com/products/say-no-to-gardasil-bumper-sticker-single

    Gardasil Vaccine Given without Consent and Ruins Life of 14 Year Old Girl

    The VAXXED film crew continues interviewing people who are vaccine damaged around the country. In this interview in Nebraska, 14 year old Savannah Snyder is interviewed along with her mother Sarah. Savannah talks about her experiences in receiving her 7th grade required vaccines. Her mother Sarah explains that she only gave permission for Savannah to receive the required vaccines. Gardasil, the HPV vaccine, is an optional vaccine. Sarah explains that she had been warned about this vaccine and wanted to investigate it further. But Savannah was given the Gardasil vaccine anyway, without their original knowledge. She immediately started suffering some side effects, such as a headache, almost fainting, and skin rashes breaking out. She soon developed pneumonia and other infections. As time went on, things got worse. She started experiencing seizures, including grand mal seizures. She was hospitalized many times for severe pain. Her mother tearfully explains that Savannah would wake up in the middle of the night and state that she was dying. Like many other parents of children with Gardasil injuries, Sarah relates how they had little support, and that most people just thought it was all in Savannah’s head. But after a trip to the Mayo clinic, Savannah was diagnosed with POTS (postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome), a known side effect of Gardasil that affects the heart. Savannah explains that before the Gardasil shot, she was very active and athletic. She was in the process of joining a gym. Now, she has difficulties speaking and walking and needs a feeding tube.

    Read More…
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/gardasil-vaccine-given-without-consent-and-ruins-life-of-14-year-old-girl/

    A large number of pictures of Gardasil injury-severely effected young women.
    http://vaccineimpact.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/06/gardasil_collage-3.jpg

    Remember as well that VAERS is known to contain an only 1 to 10% reporting factor. Then do the real numbers, math. Then lets say if even only 30% of the reported cases were directly proven and without a reasonable doubt, that is still a serious problem as to this vaccine.

    HPV VACCINE VAERS REPORTS TO OCT 2016

    Description Total

    Disabled 1,618
    Deaths 289
    Did Not Recover 8,874
    Abnormal Pap Smear 626
    Cervical Dysplasia 277
    Cervical Cancer 115
    Life Threatening 773
    Emergency Room 13,937
    Hospitalized 4,400
    Extended Hospital Stay 294
    Serious 5,125
    Total Adverse Events 47,696

    http://sanevax.org/

    Vaccines and Autoimmunity, (book)
    Yehuda Shoenfeld (Editor), Nancy Agmon-Levin (Editor), Lucija Tomljenovic (Editor)

    In light of the discovery of Autoimmune Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants, or ASIA, Vaccines and Autoimmunity explores the role of adjuvants – specifically aluminum in different vaccines – and how they can induce diverse autoimmune clinical manifestations in genetically prone individuals.

    Read more;
    http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1118663438.html

    If you want to get a little deeper into this, and realize some of the historical vaccine misconceptions, and fraud that has taken place.

    Ep 60- Mysterious Polio-like Illness Solved! [My Incredible Opinion]

    Published on Nov 4, 2016
    The cause of the mysterious polio-like illness going around the Western parts of the United States has been solved. But not by me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKNVyjgQyjY

    Acute Flaccid Myelitis and Routine Childhood Vaccinations: This is Nothing New
    http://vaxtruth.org/2016/11/acute-flaccid-myelitis-and-routine-childhood-vaccinations-this-is-nothing-new/

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Ep 32- Medical Schools Teach What? [My Incredible Opinion with Forrest Maready]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srTwmeC_p6I

    Ep 23- Keep An Eye on the Doctor Vaccine Kickbacks
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPG97Y_jkCI

    Provax Quacks

    Since the belief in vaccines is more like faith and religion than it is science, we thought we’d present the Vaccinology 10 Commandments as we see them:

    1. Correlation doth not equal Causation (unless it defends the Sacred and Holy Vaccine).
    2. It is NEVER the Sacred and Holy Vaccine. Any injuries associated with the Sacred and Holy Vaccine must be coincidence, or a lie.
    3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Holy Vaccine in vain. Thou shalt not question the Holy Writings that defend the Sacred Vaccine.
    4. Thou shalt not hold any medical procedure above the Sacred and Holy Vaccine. Only the Sacred and Holy Vaccine can perform the miracles claimed.
    5. Thou must always follow the Vaccine Schedule, for the Sacred Vaccine is a jealous God.
    6. Honor thy Offit and thy Salk, for they are the prophets of the Sacred and Holy Vaccine.
    7. Thou must always trust all studies that are done by the makers of the Sacred and Holy Vaccine. They have no interest in profit, only in the health and livelihood of their congregation.
    8. Thou must always take the holy sacrament of Vaccination. Any who does not Vaccinate, or who question the holy sacrament, must be called a heretic.
    9. Diseases that were once benign must become deadly once a Sacred Vaccine is made for them.
    10. The Sacred and Holy Vaccine is always safe and effective.

    https://provaxquacks.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/the-vaccinology-10-commandments/

  • AutismDadd

    Of course you can’t tell…duh but you’ll now deny that won’t you?

  • It’s cute how, the more wrong he is, the more he simply declares himself right. Obviously, any honest person can clearly support their argument instead of just denouncing anybody who disagrees with them as liars and shills. :-)

  • You’re right — there’s no precipitous drop after 1975! Something does seem fishy! Clearly, Schreiber is a liar.

  • AutismDadd

    If I could turn back time I wouldn’t have children. It may be the only way to protect children from this madness.

  • Ron Roy

    Johnny your the epitome of someone who refuses to learn. Then again you’ve been brainwashed by the MEDICAL MAFIA.

  • Ron Roy

    delusional failure? You’re looking in a mirror again.

  • Ron Roy

    I will post this list of loons on Facebook. Thanks Lowell. You should do the same. You left out Johnny but that’s ok I’ll add him.

  • Jesus baby

    Lowell, the 2nd link is about quackery for cancer and it’s just your usual copy/paste. Now it looks like you actually wrote a lot of the first link, and it does mention Bechamp a couple of times, but it doesn’t explain the “modern form” of soil/terrain theory nor how the theory can work without
    microzymes.

  • Jesus baby

    They are your own words, Lowell. Do you need me to type them out again for you?

  • shay simmons

    It’s the Illuminati!

  • So you refuse to word your question, specifically. That is why it wasn’t responded to; and you did that deliberately. All you ever have to post is more derelict level nonsense.

  • That is because you refuse to get it, and deliberately. Someone would have to rub your nose directly in it, and you would still refuse to see it. I am not here to attempt to repeatedly correct your intentional ignorance.

  • Thanks, you are right. I will add his assumed name.

  • This is how it is stated to have been as to the numbers.

    Japan changed the start time for vaccinating from 3 months to two years and straight away their SIDS rate plummeted

    “Delay of DPT immunisation until 2 years of age in Japan has resulted in a dramatic decline in adverse side effects. In the period of 1970-1974, when DPT vaccination was begun at 3 to 5 months of age, the Japanese national compensation system paid out claims for 57 permanent severe damage vaccine cases, and 37 deaths. During the ensuing six year period 1975-1980, when DPT injections were delayed to 24 months of age, severe reactions from the vaccine were reduced to a total of eight with three deaths. This represents an 85 to 90 percent reduction in severe cases of damage and death.”

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/great-mothers-and-others-questioning-vaccines/japan-sids-rates-decline-dramatically-when-increasing-age-of-dpt-vaccine/200390660000980/

    As to those said deaths, do you actually think a decline of 34 deaths is going to be reflected in basic graph like that, and which does not give actual numbers? Below is the graph you are using.

    Overview
    1. Demographic Trend of Japan
    http://www.jpha.or.jp/jpha/english/apha/overview.html

    The live DPT vaccine was likely the most highly reactive vaccine on the childhood schedule, that has ever been. Deaths, adverse neurological outcomes, brain damage, and serious seizure disorders were the outcome for many children as well in the US. In fact that vaccine alone and with its resulting lawsuits at the time, filed directly against the vaccine maker; is what directly lead to the enactment in 1987 of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

    DPT: A Shot in the Dark Paperback – March, 1986
    by Harris L. Coulter (Author), Barbara Fisher (Author)
    https://www.amazon.com/Dpt-Shot-Harris-L-Coulter/dp/0446341037

    https://www.amazon.com/Shot-Dark-H-Coulter/dp/089529463X

    Comments on Japanese SIDS “rebuttal”
    http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/jsids.html

    The Prescribed ‘Preventive’ That Labs Use to Induce Brain Damage in Animals
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/10/california-whooping-cough-vaccine.aspx

    The Pertussis Vaccine is Responsible for Half the Awards for Injury and Death
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2011/the-pertussis-vaccine-is-responsible-for-half-the-awards-for-injury-and-death/

    Profile of a Pertussis Vaccine Injury
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e43I2F9PY2M

    Vaccine. 1989 Jun;7(3):199-210.
    Permanent brain damage and pertussis vaccination: is the end of the saga in sight?
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2571213

    Mother Explains How Her Daughter Almost Became a SIDS Case when She Stopped Breathing after DTaP and Pneumonia Vaccines – Mother Did CPR to Revive Her
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7GTiagWSOU

    Stat Med. 2011 Mar 15;30(6):666-77. doi: 10.1002/sim.4120. Epub 2010 Nov 30.
    A modified self-controlled case series method to examine association between multidose vaccinations and death.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21337361

    Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
    Personal Stories
    http://thinktwice.com/sids.htm

  • “The postneonatal mortality fell markedly in 1976, the year in which a sharp decline in perinatal mortality rate began.”

    Where is it?

  • I just told you, and you have the numbers right in front of you. And you as well ignore and refuse to answer the question that I asked you. Obviously it happened, and irregardless of that stupid graph with no actual numbers. Even when the evidence against the DPT vaccine is that overwhelming as to causing deaths, labeled as SIDS or not, and as well serious vaccine caused disability and seizure disorders, you refuse the evidence. You simply can not and refuse to ever be wrong, and no matter what. So much for your credibility, and not that you have ever shown to have had any at any time, anyway. Your graph smoke screen, didn’t work.

  • If you say so. Merry Christmas, by the way!

  • Jesus baby

    OK, Lowell, true or false- you frequently ask posters for their real identities and occupations in an attempt to discredit them…?

  • Jesus baby

    If it’s there as you say just link that part of it then. I mean if it’s so easy to find it should just take like 30 seconds.

  • “Merry Christmas”.

  • EEJIT

    Love it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Obviously what you are claiming is all entirely hypothetical.

    No, just reasonable and rational.

    So tell me, how would you even know what the other shills have followed and looked at,

    You don’t need to know any of that to state what I’ve stated. Again, I can’t make you any better at math than you want to be.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I said I can’t tell because I can’t tell. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    See Ron the different between what I typed and what you typed. Is that I presented a specific and clear example of Lowell’s error and you just took my criticism and pretended it applied to me.

  • EEJIT

    Hi JB Mr Hubbs and Ron MUST be related,They are truly Kings of copy/paste.

  • EEJIT

    You put me on the bottom of the list,not happy.

  • EEJIT

    Don’t forget all the names I have been called,Joe Neil etc,

  • EEJIT

    Meant to ask you for a copy of that program

  • Jonathan Graham

    I call it “HID Keyboard Driver” :-)

  • And your point …is?

  • That is because you are the lowest achiever in the BS promoting shillery.

  • You have never presented with anything specific but what are clear examples of your own error, and as well further examples your own self serving and self exalting arrogance. Or will I need to first define that in terms that meet your personal requirements, and as well which meet your satisfaction?

  • So you are continuing to provide nothing, and in that to admit that you have no actual evidence for your alleged claim, and assumption.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Are you claiming that I didn’t specifically point out how you are making your error of attaching undue significance to a group of people who have a lot of overlap in the people they follow and are followed by?

    Because it’s right up there. Just open your eyes and look. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you are continuing to provide nothing,

    I’m providing all that’s required to refute your hypothesis. Everyone on your list already has a lot of overlap in the posts the address. Since it’s reasonable to expect some variability, it’s also reasonable to expect that they will all end up in the same thread at some point.

    alleged claim

    Learn some English too Lowell.

  • Now J. baby, the major difference in that is found in that I put forth the evidence of the truth. What you shills put forth is deception, denial, false discrediation, simply more reiteration of the same old false vaccine propaganda, and little more. There is no reason or cause to believe that someone that always provides reference to the truth, and as well that provides their full identity, has any reason to be paid, or that they have any form of conflict on interest. For people who continually deny the truth, and lie about the reality of the truth, and no matter how strong the evidence; the posting conduct of those people highly suggests that they may have an existing major conflict of interest.

    I do not make replies based on who posted the said claims and information; instead I reply based only and exactly on what that posted content contained. In other words, if you post vaccine related claims and information, that information is addressed precisely as per the claim and info in itself, and it is not judged simply based on who posted it, nor does that reply contain false discreditation beyond what can be shown and proven to be worthy of discreditation.

  • My English is fine. So that in your mind explains how all the shills here, showed up here all at the same time, and within a short time of each other, and in calling it all a coincidence? And as I said, just like you claim all the vaccine injuries are all a coincidence, possibly even only all in their head, and unrelated to any vaccines. It appears that your posting here never has and never will ever revolve around anything but the workings of the concept of denial

  • Read your posts, and you can see exactly what I am claiming. There is no need to reply to the same question and issue, 100 times.

  • First of all as to the second page link, to say that it is about quackery for cancer, was an outright lie on your part, as those are proven and well working cures as for cancer. Real cures have existed for decades, and which work far better than anything the cancer industry has come up with. So you either choose to remain ignorant and in denial, or you flat out lied about that. As to the said first page, you need to learn of everything on that page and put it together, to come to the conclusion that you need to see.

    Again, you choose to censor this information, in the same way and by the same means that you attempt to limit and censor independent vaccine studies, not only as to their conclusions; but the resulting combined conclusions. In other words you reject the concept of the self healing body, and when given the right means of detoxification and adequate cellular nutrition. Instead, you think that big pharma has provided all the needed and existing answers, and that anything from the naturopathic side of health care, should be branded as unproven quackery. In effect you continue to bow down and praise the FDA all controlling monopoly shine, which has total control over all acceptable information, as to what you are allowed to have. The resistance to illness and recovery from illness is as well tied directly into that information; and toxic and known contaminated vaccines essentially go against and thwart everything attempted to be accomplished in regard to what you see and read on that page. And still you refuse to get it; and by choice. Everything you post surrounds the denial of the not only the obvious, but as well as to and regarding any form of natural health having any working success and validity.

    “Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.”

    ― Benjamin Rush

    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/44458-unless-we-put-medical-freedom-into-the-constitution-the-time

    Benjamin Rush
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Rush

  • Jonathan Graham

    My English is fine

    You can say that with a straight face when you say “alleged claim”? I know I couldn’t. Seriously Lowell, look both those words up.

    So that in your mind explains how all the shills here, showed up here all at the same time, and within a short time of each other

    Which might be meaningful if they had no knowledge of where each other posts and didn’t have a history of posting in the same thread. So if you knew twelfth grade math you would know that this is expected.

    just like you claim all the vaccine injuries are all a coincidence

    Again Lowell English. If what you are struggling to express is: “You believe all injuries following vaccination are co-incidental” then the answer is no. Which you would know if you actually read my posts with even a third grade level of comprehension.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Read your posts, and you can see exactly what I am claiming.

    No, see my posts contain what I’m claiming. YOUR posts contain what you’re claiming – well I can only assume that because you insist on using exceptionally poor English.

    here is no need to reply to the same question and issue, 100 times.

    I’m only replying to replies of yours. If there is more than one reply it’s because you have replied more than once.

  • Again, your claim is only alleged, and without any basis in fact. It is based only on an unproven assumption that it happened that way. Just because something could take place by a certain and stated means of happening, does not equal proof and conclusive evidence that it did. We all know as well that shill activity is the highest, when it is perceived that damage control on and as to the information, is as you need, at its highest level.

    The known first sign of an argument loser is someone who continually and incessantly reverts to arguing the understand of and the definition of words and/or terms, and/or the proper use of the English language.

    And if you were asked what number of vaccine injuries would not be considered just coincidental and unrelated to vaccines; what would you answer? You already know what you would answer? You would simply claim to the known CDC quote, and claim to that the odds risk of vaccine injury is only one in a million doses of vaccine; and which is nothing but an obviously false and preposterous claim.

  • Jesus baby

    Are you saying you don’t believe in Bechamp and his microzymes after all?

  • Jesus baby

    “I do not make replies based on who posted the said claims and information; instead I reply based only and exactly on what that posted content contained.” Then why are you always asking for people’s names and occupations to try to discredit them? Because you can’t really discredit anyone here, and you’re a hypocrite!

  • Actually and as well, I am only replying to replies of yours. So why aren’t you reading your replies before you post, and in replying repeatedly like you have read nothing I posted? Again, what you posted was nothing more than an assumption and hypothesis, face it. What I posted is far more likely to be actual reality. And again, my English is just fine. Don’t blame me for your selective reading comprehension, disability.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, your claim is only alleged, and without any basis in fact.

    Yawn, that’s not how “alleged” works. It takes an object. An “alleged crime” is a crime that is claimed to have happened. An “alleged claim” is a claim which is claimed to have been claimed. Which is why you don’t use that phrase in English unless you are using the term “claim” to refer to ownership. An alleged claim in that sense is a claim to ownership.

    It is based only on an unproven assumption that it happened that way.

    Nope. It’s based on a statistical likelihood which explains the situation infinitely better than your hypothesis. Which is far more unproven and stupid.

    The known first sign of an argument loser is someone who continually and incessantly reverts to arguing the understand of and the definition of words and/or terms,

    Are you sure it isn’t making up arbitrary rules for arguments? I think it might be. :-)

    And if you were asked what number of vaccine injuries

    Again you need to write your sentence in an intelligible way. If you mean “What number of injuries following vaccination would be considered causative?” then my answer would be “very, very, very, very few” you would agree with this.

    I would ask you, at what grade level are you actually writing and reading your own posts?

    …and you write sentences like that and still thing your English is “fine”? Really?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I am only replying to replies of yours.

    Often multiple times.

    gain, what you posted was nothing more than an assumption and hypothesis,

    Only if you don’t have twelfth grade math. Is that what you’re saying Lowell.

    my English is just fine

    Two words: Alleged claim.

  • The answer was obviously just explained to you above, and as to essentially the same question you asked in the previous post. Don’t expect me to correct and re-correct your deliberate and selective reading comprehension errors. I have repeatedly discredited you time after time, and that makes you obviously the real hypocrite.

  • All you can manage to post here is just more twisted, hypocritical, and in denial …BS. You might as well just face it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Don’t you mean my “alleged claims” Lowell? Come on…say it!

    But again, I’m not making an assumption. I’m simply pointing out an expectation of known facts. Which you would understand if you knew twelfth grade math.

  • The only sentences not written in an intelligible way, are the ones you cut to shreds from paragraphs, and as well made partial sentences of. The only sense that is found in is in your intent and attempt to take everything you read, out of context. Then you as well attempt to change the meaning of what was stated, to what you want it to be, and as to what was not said at all.

    All you are going to do and continue to do is ignore and deny anything and everything that I have stated.

    Just look at the level of in denial twisted insanity, in regard to the content of that post you just made. There is obviously something way wrong with you.

  • No, I mean exactly what I said.

    How pathetic and entirely juvenile level stupid do you look right now? And you can’t, and don’t even see that. …Pitiful.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell do you really not see the problem with “alleged claim” in the context you used it? Seriously? An alleged claim is a declaration of ownership – something I’m not doing. Obviously you didn’t know what “claim” meant in that sense. So you thought you could use “alleged claim” to refer to the other sense of “claim”: something someone is asserting to be true. However that’s also what an alleged means and since “alleged” takes an object the result is something nonsensical or clearly unrelated to the conversation.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …are you sure you don’t want to talk about “alleged claims”? It would be fun.

    How pathetic and entirely juvenile level stupid do you look right now?

    Probably not as much as the eighth grader that wrote that sentence.

    However again, when you see a situation where a convergence of events is LIKELY the idea that observing that convergence as the work of The Almighty, aliens or secret organizations is by definition UNLIKELY.

  • You have an alternative and false excuse for everything.

    Just give it up. You argue just to argue.

  • No I don’t. Again, it was an alleged claim; meaning not yet proven with actual evidence, but only founded on an assumption and a hypothesis.
    I think you are seriously unfit for any form of debate on any issue at all.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Are you sure you don’t mean that I have an “alleged claim for everything?” :-)

    It’s interesting that the LIKELY case you consider to be an excuse. As opposed your theory about aliens and/or secret organizations.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Except that’s not what “alleged claim” (in the sense you’re using ‘claim’) would mean in English. An “alleged crime” would be something which is not yet proven to be a crime. An alleged claim would be something which is not yet proven to be a claim.

    This is something you have provided no comprehension of let alone any rebuttal.

  • Ron Roy

    “Vaccination is not necessary, not useful, does not protect. There are
    twice as many casualties from vaccination as from AIDS.” –Dr. Gerhard
    Buchwald, West Germany, specialist of internal diseases and participant in
    about 150 trials of vaccination victims.

    Dr. Michael Odent has written a letter in the JAMA (1994) where his
    figures show a five times higher rate of asthma in pertussis immunized
    children compared to non-immunized children. He is also quoted in the
    International Vaccination Newsletter (Sept. 1994): “Immunized children have
    more ear infections and spend more days in hospital.”

    “Crib death” was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was not
    even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the 1950s with
    the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of childhood.
    –Harris L.Coulter, PhD.

    “These data show that DPT vaccination may be a generally unrecognised
    major cause of sudden infant and early childhood death, and that the risks
    of immunization may outweigh its potential benefits. A need for
    re-evaluation and possible modification of current vaccination procedures
    is indicated by this study.” –William C. Torch, M.D., Director of Child
    Neurology, Department of Pediatrics, University of Nevada School of
    Medicine

    In the May 24, 1996, New Zealand Medical Journal, J. Barthelow Classen,
    MD, a former researcher at the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) and
    the founder and CEO of Classen Immunotherapies in Baltimore, reported that
    juvenile diabetes increased 60 per cent following a massive hepatitis B
    vaccination campaign for babies six weeks or older in New Zealand from 1988
    to 1991. In the October 22, 1997, Infectious Diseases in Clinical Practice,
    Classen showed that Finland’s incidence of diabetes increased 147 per cent
    in children under five after three new vaccines were introduced in the
    1970s, and that diabetes increased 40 per cent in children aged 5 to 9
    after the addition of the MMR and Hib vaccines in the 1980s. He concluded
    that “the rise in IDDM [juvenile onset diabetes] in the different age
    groups correlated with the number of vaccines given.”
    If you need more ” evidence ” I’ll gladly post more.

  • Ron Roy

    Johnny’s HAUGHTINESS is showing again.

  • Jesus baby

    I’d LOVE to see an example of when in your warped mind you think you’ve ever discredited me, and please be specific.

  • EEJIT

    You should also add my “assumed” names.

  • EEJIT

    Sorry promise to do better.

  • EEJIT

    CLASSIC!

  • AutismDadd

    Stick it

  • EEJIT

    Mr Hubbs I might ask you the same question as I notice you did not reply to it to JB, what is it with you and Ron wanting to know our real names and location? Simple answer please.

  • AutismDadd

    Well if you weren’t such an unwashed buttcrack it might make sense to you.

  • AutismDadd

    Back under your bridge troll

  • AutismDadd

    Are you trying to “teach Lowell a lesson”?

  • AutismDadd

    Hey must have watched the 3 Stooges Marathon over the holidays

  • Still not learnt the difference between claims and evidence, Ron Roy?

  • Hmm?

  • Ron Roy

    I believe claims made by people that are far more educated and reputable than you.

  • Ron, the whole point is that you shouldn’t believe me or anyone else if they don’t have evidence…and if they do have evidence, well, you don’t NEED to believe them.

  • Remember Rachel?

  • Jesus baby

    Flagged.

  • So then stay in your own personal, rotting, and stagnant denial; but you have NO right to tell, or advise anyone else to do the same thing. And some of us have no existing conflicts of interest.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope.

  • Mr EEJIT, (and with no real identity). You are only being asked to provide your real identity, and as well a list of conflicts of interest. Is that so difficult to do? You can see my identity, and that I obviously have no conflicts of interest. Your paranoid response suggests that you have some significant issues, with this?

  • So are you a participant among the shills here that have been taking money from a now determined, funder?

  • Why don’t you list your assumes names, and tell us if or not you use those multiple identities? Why are you asking me to provide what only you know?

  • No need for an answer. That evidence is everywhere in regard to the articles you have posted on. It is at this point clearly not my responsibility any longer to correct your deliberate, denial. So how much money have you, and are you continuing to take from that funder? You are lucky that they are yet so dimwitted ignorant that they think they are still getting a good deal, and no matter how bad all of you trolling shills continue to look. Attempting to make the anti-vax/pro-vax truth side, look dumb, crazy, and stupid, is obviously not the outcome you have had here.

  • See, what is really happening here, is that pasty faced and red haired …jonny …is just covering for the fact that he and several of these other trolling shills have been taking money from a funder, and to do what they do. The game plan was to attempt to make the antivaxers/pro-vax truth side look, stupid, crazy, unfounded, and without merit. The dimwitted funder still thinks that they are doing that, and even though the exact opposite has actually been happening here. And they yet continue to get paid. That’s right, inside investigative information.

  • So you are covering for it, and making denial of taking money from a funder?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell, I need you to actually make responses which are cogent and related to what I say. Not just spew out random words.

    What I am saying is that your use of “alleged claim” doesn’t mean what you think it means. As an “alleged crime” is something which is not yet proven to be a crime. An “alleged claim” would be something which is not yet proven to be a claim.

  • I have never mentioned anywhere, any issue of aliens. And there are no secret government societies and/or organizations. Anything that exists, has been known of for years.

    And you accuse me of a failure to use proper English, and all while you reply post in the manner and image of a person that is slobbering and drool driveling …insane. Do you hear voices?

  • Jonathan Graham

    You try altogether too hard to miss the point. The likely case is that groups of people who regularly post together, and know where each other are posting. To post together. Seeing more than average amount of coherence – which you haven’t proved but let’s assume that’s the case – is EXPECTED. it’s not an assumption. It’s an EXPECTATION. In other words that DATA demands that this happens from time to time.

    So tell yourself whatever you need to justify whatever conspiracy makes you feel good about yourself. The math – if you knew any – says “nothing to see here”.

    And you accuse me of a failure to use proper English,

    No, I’ve been able to DEMONSTRATE, clearly and unambiguously how poorly you use English.

    Do you hear voices?

    Yes. That’s called talking. Do you only see people’s lips move? That would explain some things.

  • Sorry, but your intended attempt to make me look crazy, has failed. Your funder and associates should demand a reimbursement of the money that has been paid to you. All you can hope for is that they yet continue to remain to delusional, to face it.

  • “LOL” And who are you you expect to fool… with that twisted and insane level of …bullshit?

  • “Alleged claims” ??? “LOL” You sound like a broken …record in every post you make. All it is-is just the same old repeated and reiterated BS, and with different and increasingly twisted, wording. Who’s crazy, you or me?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sorry, but your intended attempt to make me look crazy, has failed.

    Why would I ever need to put effort into something you succeed at. I mean look at this next sentence of yours.

    Your funder and associates should demand a reimbursement of the money that has been paid to you.

    It would be difficult to make you look crazier than you do in that sentence. As I’ve never been paid or otherwise compensated for posting here and as you know you have no rational reason to think this. Which is why you can’t present your evidence for your theory that particular people are paid posters. Not just, me mind you NOT A SINGLE specific person. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Awesome! I love it when you mangle English.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ever notice that I can point out clearly and specifically what’s wrong with something of yours I’m criticizing? You can only make vague dismissive claims. I wonder why I can be so specific and clear and you can’t…..I wonder.

  • Again, that is the first sign of a loser; someone that can only point to alleged English language errors, and yet fails to respond to the actual content of the post.

  • Jonathan Graham

    See, what is really happening here, is that pasty faced and red haired …jonny …is just covering for the fact that he and several of these other trolling shills have been taking money from a funder, and to do what they do. The game plan was to attempt to make the antivaxers/pro-vax truth side look, stupid, crazy, unfounded, and without merit. The dimwitted funder still thinks that they are doing that, and even though the exact opposite has actually been happening here. And they yet continue to get paid. That’s right, inside investigative information.

    I invite Autism Dadd and Ron Roy to post replies in support of what you just said Lowell. I would like nothing more than to see them agree wholeheartedly with your position here.

    Ron, Adadd you’ve never been above giving each other online backrubs before even though each of you often posit mutually exclusive ideas. So let Lowell’s … ah … Theory … be no exception. Please post your support.

  • Again, the alleged substance of your claims of course are found as true and existing, only in your own delusional mind.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Lowell, all through this thread – even just a few posts up – I’ve explained how you are incorrect in your nonsense assumptions about the convergence of posters here. Not to mention that outside of your horrible English often your posts are so vacuous that there’s little else to respond to.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and again I have clearly pointed out what is wrong with your response and you can only be vague and dismissive.

    It’s interesting how your behavior kind of parallels the thought processes of people who participate in groups like Scientology.

  • My existing evidence is privately investigated and found, that is why. And you will never be told, how I know. I simply marvel at your level of obvious sickness, and your repeated level of lying denial.

  • FAILURE, overloaded circuits, “ERR ..ERR ..ERR”, “ALARMS”, BULLSHIT …meter …GOES off the SCALES.

  • Jonathan Graham

    My existing evidence is privately investigated and found

    In other words it’s a fabrication. So you know you have no evidence you could possibly present here without being laughed at. Thanks for the confirmation.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you have no idea why the LIKELY case should be prioritized over all other cases? If that causes your brain to overload I can see why you generally end up with the wrong conclusion.

  • FAILURE, FAILURE, FAILURE …OVER-LOADED circuits, “ERR ..ERR ..ERR, ERR, ERR “, “ALARMS” “ALARMS”, BULLSHIT …meter …GOES off the SCALES …and BANG …IT BLOWS UP.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you think something with a likelihood of 0.8 shouldn’t be prioritized over a mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive likelihood of 0.2. Right?

  • You obviously haven’t yet pointed out, squat.

    And I have no interest at all in Scientology… try again. Your funder should be entirely disgusted and disappointed with your failed attempts, and as to your failed …outcome. It is not working, and as to your intended goal.

  • All you have explained here, amounts to only the repeated evidence of, and as to how obviously twisted and insane you are.

  • In your delusional world, nothing ever means what anyone thinks it means; and when speaking of the oppositions claims. You demand that only you know, what it means, and that in reality only amounts to what you can twist it into, and within your own in denial and obviously deranged, mind. Then you become entirely obsessed with it, and demanded that your claim and view point is right, and for the next 50 posts in a row, you insist that it is right, and no matter what. Who is actually crazy, you or me?

  • Jonathan Graham

    You obviously haven’t yet pointed out, squat.

    I’ve pointed out:
    a) Clearly and specifically how the terms “alleged” and “claim” are used in English and why your usage makes no sense.
    b) Why it’s reasonable to expect many people who regularly post in the same threads and know what each other are posting will end up converging on the same thread.
    c) That your responses are all vague and dismissive. Which you have demonstrated yet again with your response above.

    So as usual you are wrong and I’ve provided a clear answer and the only thing you will be able to respond with is a vague dismissal. :-)

  • Jesus baby

    “No need for an answer.”
    :) Translation: You had no answer. You’re a fraud, Lowell, and the worst anti-vaxxer in the world.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and you can’t say why my post is not what I claim it to be. Again vague and dismissive and I am being clear and specific. :-) Keep it up Lowell.

  • “LOL” You only wish that were true. Tell your payment delivery man, hello, for me. So would you like me to disappear from the radar, and stop posting; and so all of your funding money, dries up? I am thinking about doing that.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You demand that only you know, what it means

    No. I’m pointing out consistent use of English syntax. Your usage is a poor match for general English use and is at least ambiguous if it doesn’t generally convey the wrong idea.

    That’s what “poor English” means. Lowell.

    Of course you’re free to use “alleged” to mean “ceiling fan”, “fruit bat” or whatever you want. if you so choose. However it can still be called “poor English” which is what we were talking about. When we were discussing English anyway.

    Then you become entirely obsessed with it

    Uh no Lowell. You might be obsessed with this subject. To me it’s simply as good as any topic to discuss with someone who is as poor at conversation as yourself.

    and demanded that your claim and view point is right, and for the next 50 posts in a row, you insist that it is right, and no matter what.

    Nope, I’ve explained why your usage is poor. Clearly and specifically and YOU can’t either admit you understand or provide a counter argument.

    Who is actually crazy, you or me?

    By your own standards it would be you.

  • Your intent was to make me look crazy, but people like you only make yourself look crazy. Keep on with your denial that you are funded to do what you do, and I will keep on laughing at your predicament.

  • Fail … a new bullshit meter goes off the scales, and blows up, again.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Something vague and dismissive from Lowell. Thanks for proving me right (again!).

  • Jonathan Graham

    …thanks again for your vague and dismissive comment Lowell. Once again proving my point that’s all you have. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Something vague and dismissive from Lowell. Thanks for proving me right (again!).

  • FAIL ..FAIL …FAIL .. red blinking lights …and sirens going off. You could not even possibly look any more deranged, at this point. It’s ok, Graham, there is no shame in reaching out for help with your obvious, mental health condition.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Guess we will have to take baby steps. So you don’t know what a likelihood of 0.8 means? Right? It’s analogous to something that occurs eight times in ten. Got that? Ok, while you process that I’ll get back to reading オール・ユー・ニード・イズ・キル

  • It is obviously your own brain, that is overloading. I am just fine; you twisted man. How is that funded …agenda, going? You look like the fake Wizard of Oz that just had the curtain pulled away from him.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You might want to stick to the “fundamentals of statistics” class I’m teaching in the other thread. Once you get your feet wet there we can continue on with what we’re discussing here. So far you don’t seem to be able to acknowledge what a likelihood of 0.8 is. So we have a long way to go.

  • “LOL” Intended agenda, to make the antivax/provax truth side look like they are crazy, DUMB, inept, unstable, AND INSAnE. Makes himself look far worse than anyone could have ever imagined. You should have quit while you had the chance.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you don’t understand “eight times in ten”?

    Do you understand the numbers “eight” and/or “ten” individually?

    Back to: 小畑さん

  • Admitting to and expressing your delusions is the first step in admitting to and that you need help, Graham.

  • Jonathan Graham

    and another vague and dismissive comment. Thanks again for proving me right.

  • What other thread? Is that on the some sort of psychiatric forum?

  • Jonathan Graham

    The one where I’m asking you if you understand the numbers “eight” and “ten”. :-) You do understand the number from one to ten?

  • Like I said, it is a psychiatric forum. Did you describe what you see in the blotter image section of that? That is an important step of the process, you know.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you want to discuss if you understand the numbers from one to ten here as well? Weird.

  • 1…2…3…4…5…6…7…8…9 ….ummm …10. Hows …that?

  • Jonathan Graham

    So do you understand what “eight times in ten” means?

  • 8 times 10 ..is 80. “eight times in ten”? Are you sure the aliens haven’t abducted you, and rewired your brain? It looks like you may have a short circuit.

  • Jesus baby

    Knock yourself out, Lowell.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Nope. Eight times in ten is a measure of likelihood. For example if you have a bag containing eight black stones and two white stones. Which do you think is more likely for a single blind draw. Drawing a white stone or a black stone?

  • Eight times ten equals 80, and nothing more You would be more likely to draw a a black stone because there are more of them, than white stones. So why am I wasting my time hearing about your 1st grade math lessons? You sound like some sort of Jethro Bodine? 2 guzina 4 ..2 times, 4 guzina 8 …2 …times. Wow.

  • Is that Chinese? Chinese proverb. Dumb man with no common sense, will never be a smart man.

  • David

    So Mr Hubbs what is your opinion on the new ebola vaccine that is heralded to be a medical wonder being 100 percent effective.

  • Analogous? So that means that no pro-vaccine trolling shills ever came to vactruth because the need to do damage control at the time, was very high and in need at the time; and that all of it was just a coincidence? Just like all the known vaccine injuries and resulting autism; just a coincidence. Should we go to the known Gardasil vaccine injury issues, next? How sick and as a fact entirely deranged, do you look right now, Graham? You look in your reply posting, just the same way as you look in your picture.

  • Fail…. bullshit meter again goes off the scales, and blows up. Graham wraps his head in tin foil, sits down, and hopes that the aliens can not read and interpret his highly intelligent thoughts.

  • Certainly your obvious psychiatric condition has been seen before, Graham. You need to face the fact that your need of institutionalization, is the only right choice. You will fit in well with people that some of them you may even be able to convince them, that you are right. You could be the leader of lunch line, right after they get their shock treatments.

  • Oh imagine that, a new shill? You worried about Ebola? As soon as they get it finalized as to FDA approval, and then let some Ebola escape from a lab or two, and like they did with H1N1; you just go ahead and get in line for that vaccine. I have not had a vaccine in over 4 decades, and I will never allow any vaccine to be given again. I bet I will escape contracting Ebola, far better than you will.

  • I know far more than you do. Knock yourself, out.

  • Ron Roy

    Oh you mean evidence that is bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical industry ( you know your bosses ) that evidence?

  • Well, when you have evidence that anyone here is being paid by pharma, we can address that.

    Until then, question presumes facts not in evidence.

  • Ron Roy

    Tell that bs to doctor Archie Kalokerinos and the aborigines he treated:

    “One research worker in the laboratory had been immunizing
    animals against diseases like tetanus and Diptheria. His experience showed
    that after being immunized, some of the animals died suddenly within 24 hours.
    These deaths had been attributed to anaphylaxis. Authorities the world
    over had decided that this was so (it is a severe allergic reaction). I
    suggested that vitamin C deficiency was the cause. The animals involved
    did not make their own. Like primates they required it in their diet.
    To discover the truth only required a simple experiment…..

    The result was definite, unquestionable and final.
    Half of a group of animals were supplemented with vitamin C before being
    immunised. None died. The un-supplemented half continued to die at
    rates equal to those found in previous experiments.

    The importance of this discovery can hardly be stressed.
    In Australia and all over the world, infants were being immunised. Those
    whose vitamin C status was low were at risk. here, at last, was
    experimental evidence that supported my claims that stepping up immunisation
    campaigns among Aboriginal infants increased the death rate.”
    Every Second Child by
    Dr Archie Kalokerinos, M.D.
    (p.139-140)

  • Ron Roy

    Good job. Keep me posted. It’s obvious to anyone that they are paid but concrete proof would be great. I would post it on Facebook to show parents with vaccine damaged children who some of their enemies are. Baby killers all of them.

  • Ron Roy

    Pasty YOU’RE ALWAYS WRONG. DID YOU SEE THAT ALWAYS.

  • Can you link to the evidence Ron? Thanks.

  • EEJIT

    Mr Hubbs,according to your friend Ron Roy my assumed names are Joe,Neil,Kevin,Josephine,I have one name that I will respond to and that is EEJIT.

  • AutismDadd

    So you will cease messaging him?

  • EEJIT

    I have posted a reply,it is being held by the Moderator.

  • AutismDadd

    By an unwashed buttcrack?

  • AutismDadd

    gross

  • EEJIT

    Who is the determined funder Mr Hubbs?

  • Ron Roy
  • Still not learnt the difference between claims and evidence?

  • Jesus baby

    You don’t seem to know what “knock yourself out” means, Lowell.

  • I don’t speak or understand anything from the village of …idiots.

  • You wouldn’ t be told.

  • Aww. None of mine …were?

  • My name is not Ron Roy, so why are posting that to me? Apparently he knows something I don’t. Ron is a very learned and intelligent man; I think he may be onto something?

  • This is a job you won’t want to be connected to. There is clear evidence of an existing, funder.

  • I know. Does this tell you anything?

    The CDC, NIH & Bill Gates Own the Patents On Existing Ebola & Related Vaccines: http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/09/17/the-cdc-nih-bill-gates-own-the-patents-on-existing-ebola-related-vaccines-mandatory-vaccinations-are-near/

    Investigator Says Ebola Was Engineered, Govt & Bill Gates Own the Patents & Related Vaccines
    http://instigatornews.com/investigator-says-ebola-engineered-govt-bill-gates-patents-related-vaccines/

  • Jesus baby

    Concrete proof? From Hubbs?😂

  • And with the acceptation of EEJIT, not a single trolling shill has again replied, since I finished up last night. Their camp must be feeling the rath?

  • David

    You really do believe anything. So you think Ebola was engineered to traumatically kill people so bill gates and NIH can make money. You think bill gates wants more money, even after committing to give away all his money?

    I hope you keep spitting out more and more garbage. When I run into people who are on the fence about vaccines…I show them some of your stuff and then they are quick to vaccinate! They see how delusional, uneducated and just downright stupid people like yourself and other anti vaccine scum are

  • Jesus baby

    “Knock yourself out” is a common phrase, Lowell. It’s not part of the conspiracy.

  • Well then KNOCK yourself out? All you continue to be is an obvious and complete failure.

  • You can hold onto your selective ignorance and stupidity for as long as you want, but people looking for real vaccine truth, can easily see who has the real information. You have a twisted and hypocritical view of that term you are using …delusional. So are you part of that trolling shill group that has previously been funded to post here? I wouldn’t connect up with that, if I were you.

  • How is your funder doing? You didn’t get any notifications that you won’t be getting your paycheck? So, you continue to work for free?

  • David

    I’m part of every medical school, every university, every government, every hospital etc in the world who all support vaccination. I have real degrees and real world experience
    I am not an armchair conspiracy theorist with no education who actually is delusional enough to believe that anyone pays attention to him

  • So the translation version of that amounts to that you are actually the person that is clueless and delusional. Your so called education and your arrogance can not save this. Go ahead and answer these questions.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    And before you do, be sure and review my second link.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • When you are done with that, then you can as well go to the top of the posting page here and respond to the information that I posted in two posts that say, continued on them; and do it directly.

  • Jesus baby

    Look silly, you said, “So would you like me to disappear from the radar, and stop posting; and so all of your funding money, dries up? I am thinking about doing that.”
    So I said, “Knock yourself out, Lowell.”
    It doesn’t mean to literally knock yourself out, like with a bat or something. It means “go ahead and do that”.
    Next time you have trouble with phrases and stuff just ask sweetie:)

  • Jesus baby

    Ron and I are waiting with baited breath to hear your concrete evidence about this funder, Lowell:) You know, with your investigation and all. But you and I know you’re just as full of $hit as always you fraud.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Eight times ten equals 80, and nothing more

    …and yet that’s not what I wrote. Somehow you still think there’s nothing wrong with your English.

    You would be more likely to draw a a black stone because there are more of them, than white stones.

    If you did that same exercise a hundred times what would be the most likely outcome?

    So why am I wasting my time hearing about your 1st grade math lessons?

    Because you need them…

  • David

    It’s already been Answered Lowell. Your questions are garbage. You need to learn how to critically appraise a study. Get a university degree may help. Did you even pass grade 12?
    http://vaccineconspiracytheorist.blogspot.ca/2011/05/nine-questions-nine-answers.html?m=1

  • David

    You are a nothing conspiracy theorist. Why would I respond to your delusions. Get a degree, actually do some research (not google) and meet me at an academic conference and we can talk. Until then, get some psychiatric help–because you are the definition of delusional.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Japanese. Pro tip – in common Chinese script there are no circular or semi-circular strokes. In Japanese there are no full circular strokes.

    So if you see a circular stroke – then you are probably reading Korean, if you see a semi-circular stroke but no circular strokes – then you are probably reading Japanese. If there are no circular strokes or semi-circular strokes then you are probably reading Chinese.

    Chinese proverb. Dumb man with no common sense, will never be a smart man.

    It’s kind of racist to use pidgin to emulate a language you know less than zero about. Just sayin’

    Here’s an actual Chinese saying for you:子曰:由! 誨女知之乎? 知之為知之,不知為不知,是知也.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Analogous? So that means that no pro-vaccine trolling shills ever came to vactruth because the need to do damage control at the time, was very high and in need at the time; and that all of it was just a coincidence?

    Well if you’re trying to define “analogous” you failed.

    You claimed that people on that list were all on one thread for a particular purpose. However the people on that list are on lots of threads in common and generally know what threads each other are posting on. Ergo, the information can not indicate a special purpose.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …again you keep proving my point with your vague and dismissive comments. :-) Thanks!

  • Jonathan Graham

    Oh what condition is that? :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Methinks thou dost protest too much.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m just politely responding to his rather abusive posts. :-)

  • Ron Roy

    If EEJIT is your real name your parents must have hated you from conscription. lol

  • Ron Roy

    So in other words your a made man in the MEDICAL MAFIA.

    ”I’m part of every medical school, every university, every government,
    every hospital etc in the world who all support vaccination.” That’s a whole lot of miseducation and ignorance for just one person. I wouldn’t be bragging about that if I were you.

  • sabelmouse

    what mike stevens ”MD” wishes he were, eh, mikey! ;)

  • EEJIT

    “Why don’t you list your assumes names”?You asked me and I provided them.as for Ron being intelligent,did you read his last post to me he states “if EEJIT IS YOUR REAL NAME”? and you refer to him as a learned man?

  • EEJIT

    Conscription?what are you babbling about

  • EEJIT

    Funder? Are you STILL claiming that JB or myself are being paid by BIG PHARMA,how about some evidence Mr hubbs?

  • EEJIT

    Mr Hubbs,I thought you were going to disappear? SIGH!

  • Ron Roy

    I meant conception. I should proof read more often. Thanks for pointing that out Joe oops I mean EEJIT.

  • I didn’t say that; if that happens it will be for a reason, and I will pick when the time is right for it. We still have work to do.

    So, what do you think of this information? You know, in your mind it can’t be true, or the whole world would know it, right? Couldn’t possibly be that many that are mislead, right? You justify your complete denial on those grounds, do you not?

    Bought Movie | The Truth Behind Vaccines, Big Pharma & Your Food
    http://www.boughtmovie.com/

    BOUGHT MOVIE – Full Movie Part I
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSAhXeB_jzA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lhfD6MbL_8

    Doctored Trailer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PADcCXdD1BI

    PHARMA DEATH CLOCK
    http://www.pharmadeathclock.com/

    Medicine Kills Millions
    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/

    Death by Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    The Drug Story-A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

    About GcMAF, (macrophage stimulating factor), in relation to human health
    http://www.vacfacts.info/about-gcmaf-macrophage-stimulating-factor-in-relation-to-human-health.html

  • Big pharma in itself would likely care less about this site. Their profits are locked in. Given what you have stated, it would be much more likely that you are the shill funder, on this site, and before I would ever suggest that it is directly big pharma. Usually, it is some in major denial and angry doctor, or higher up medical field associate that refuses to face reality, and then simply starts finding the “Shillary”, and/or as well some other purpose, and intended outcome.

  • I have only one name, and no assumed names. So, if you want to insinuate that and falsely accuse that, then provide your evidence of and as to those names? I asked you for, what? No I did not, and I could care less about your said other names. How does a partial sentence with a quotation of 6 words in it, show evidence of a person not being a learned man? And you expect me to waste my time to find that post, and correct you. You really seem to have a very low level of intellectual capacity.

  • I suggest that you should get a professional diagnosis. Unfortunately there is often no real help for people like you, other than in what I stated.

  • That is what all the shill clones say, and no matter how bad they actually look.

  • You said that already 25 times, and just because you spin it again and again and change the wording each time, does not change the reality of the facts. Ergo ergo ergo … you are absolutely, nuts….so called. Graham.

  • Really? Let me show you who is actually delusional. You refuse to educate yourself. You refuse the evidence of reality. Go ahead and respond to that information. And yes I would meet you directly, at any academic conference, and you can debate me there. Is it ok if I bring a video film crew?

    BOUGHT MOVIE – Full Movie Part I
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSAhXeB_jzA

    http://www.boughtmovie.com/

    PHARMA DEATH CLOCK
    http://www.pharmadeathclock.com/

    Medicine Kills Millions
    http://www.medicinekillsmillions.com/

    Death by Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    The Drug Story-A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

    Soil/Terrain Theory -vs- The Germ-Theory of Illness and Disease
    http://www.vacfacts.info/soilterrain-theory–vs–the-germ-theory-of-illness-and-disease.html

    About GcMAF, (macrophage stimulating factor), in relation to human health
    http://www.vacfacts.info/about-gcmaf-macrophage-stimulating-factor-in-relation-to-human-health.html

  • David

    Seriously dude you are such a farce. Unless you have peer reviewed published articles for me …don’t waste my time with your drivel

  • Why did you not actually reply to the post that was in front of you?

    So being you can not answer even one single question on that 9 questions page, what should that tell me, and the readers? So instead of directly answering, you instead post a personal attack.

    You should know that posting that blogging trash is against the rules here; keep doing it and you will be banned.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    Those questions have actually NOT been answered, and as provided specifically, and as outlined right here.

    My response to Antonio Baduy Cámara, and the blog Skeptical Raptor, as to their response to 9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxer’s
    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • You are never going to get the direct details, any more than if the police were doing a closed to the public, investigation. Trust me, you are the one that is actually always full of $hit. And Ron has already been told what to expect.

  • David

    Lowell. Go back to your armchair. You have no academic credentials so you will never be allowed in an academic conference. Even if you were to get in everyone would laugh at you as your references are you tube and vactruth.
    You are truly a laughable man. Please do ban me from the site

  • So you can not and refuse to respond to that. See how you are? You are obviously in denial, and as well in refusing the evidence of truth and reality. So go ahead and tell me what field and part of the big pharma mislead medical monopoly you work in?

    Let me ask you this as well. Are you funding any of these trolling shills that you see posting here? It seems to me that given what you have stated here, that it would be an appropriate question? The existence of that funder, has been confirmed, and no you will not be told, how that is known.

  • So if you are so academically correct, why does the medical monopoly remain to be known as the leading cause of death, over an above the numbers individually for heart disease, and cancer? Did you read those two studies? Do you find something about that, to be laughable? Your so called big pharma mislead academic training, is near to worthless in regard to these issues, and the issues discussed on this site. Don’t be so arrogant and stubborn, and just allow yourself to be, and to get honest. I know that is obviously not possible for you. You reject information, and you refuse to educate yourself to any form of actual reality, and truth. And I express that in regard to the seriousness of these issues.

    So as well you have not seen all the scientific studies on vaccines that I have on my website, and all are from recognized health care journals. You should know as well how often I post studies like that. I have an additional arsenal of them in a file.

    There is nothing laughable about this, and nor the vaccine harm and injury happening to thousands of infants and children. Go as well to the first two posts I made on this page, and see if you can educate yourself, correctly.

  • Jesus baby

    “You are never going to get the direct details…”

    Of course we won’t, Lowell. You’re just making crap up.

  • David

    Keep spitting out your garbage. You are actually the enemy of anti-vaxxers. As I said, I send people to your videos and website to show people just how delusional anti vax people are. Great to get vaccine hesitant mothers to vaccinate when I explain that you are the self proclaimed poster boy of the anti vaccine movement
    If I return here in 5 years, you will still be sitting in your armchair, still uneducated and still wasting your life away. It sort of sad actually.

  • So do you, they’re just polite enough to not bring it up constantly..

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you claim to know my diagnosis but can’t say. Funny that. Almost like you are…how do you say…just making crap up.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well your posts (this one included) are vague and dismissive and when I predict that you will reply with something vague and dismissive logic demands that my point is supported by your statement.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yes, I’m saying a similar thing each time but because that’s the likely case. Your decision to prefer an unlikely interpretation is simply irrational by definition.

  • David

    Reference peer reviewed published articles or do not waste my time.
    You tube and vactruth articles are worth less than what I wipe my ass with

  • David

    While you are ranting in your armchair tomorrow in a dark room foaming at the mouth over your conspiracy theories….I will be in the hospital improving 18 lucky peoples lives through restorative surgery that will immediately improve their lives.
    Go do something useful, volunteer at a soup kitchen, clean up a park etc… but stop with you conspiracy theories

  • Gary

    Perhaps because they created a new name for it, to reduce the tally of SIDS without reducing the numbers actually damaged by the vaccines? Sort of like when they redefined polio to cure polio. Lol.

    Whether its a “Sudden Unexplained Death in an Infant” or “Sudden Infant Death Syndrome”, its almost always vaccine damage.

  • Can you evidence this claim please?

    Clearly not the case right now given that global infant mortality has dropped in general.

  • EEJIT

    “Why don’t you list your assumes names”
    This is a copy/paste from YOUR post to me.YOU are asking for the list of my assumed names.YOUR LEARNED friend RON asked me if my real name is EEJIT.Now tell me who on earth would have EEJIT for a real name.AND NO Mr Hubbs, I NEVER accused you of using assumed names,I suggest Mr Hubbs that some lessons in reading comprehension may do wonders for you.

  • EEJIT

    What a load of nonesense.

  • EEJIT

    I notice you found spellchecker.and no Ron my real name is not EEJIT and for you to even think that it might be shows your level of intellect.

  • EEJIT

    Vacfacts,youtube,boughtmovie,PLEASE Mr Hubbs you are insulting my intelligence.

  • EEJIT

    Call me EEJIT and we will get along fine.

  • Gary

    I can’t do your research for you. This is from Wikipedia, which I know is a shill source, but even they admit the change.

    “The term SUDI is now often used instead of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) because some coroners prefer to use the term ‘undetermined’ for a death previously considered to be SIDS. This change is causing diagnostic shift in the mortality data.”

    Same old modus operandi. Change the name or definition of the disease to cure it. Lol. :)

  • Then explain why global infant mortality has dropped.

    Your claim = your research.

    And since you know that Wikipedia is a shill source, you’ll be able to evidence it since knowledge = justified true belief.

  • Gary

    Prove that global infant mortality has dropped. Even if it has, its irrelevant to the subject of redefining diseases to “cure” them.

    Wikipedia was referenced as a hostile witness. So although its a shill source, if it claims something non-complementary about a shill-topic such as vaccines, you can bet that the truth is undeniable, as in the SIDS/SUDI example cited.

  • Umm….1)No, it’s not irrelevant – if we redefined SIDs but otherwise left it alone, there’d be no difference in global childhood mortality rates.

    2)You cited wikipedia as a source before so:

    For the world, and for both less developed countries (LDCs) and more developed countries (MDCs), IMR declined significantly between 1960 and 2001. According to the State of the World’s Mothers report by Save the Children, the world IMR declined from 126 in 1960 to 57 in 2001

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality#Global_trends
    https://www.unicef.org/sowc03/tables/table1.html

  • Obviously you never actually had any real knowledge and/or intelligence to insult. You refuse to face actual truth and reality. Then just keep reading your big pharma based journals. If don’t want to get honest and learn then you have no place even posting a reply on this sites articles.

  • Really? And if you believe so, then go ahead and explain specifically why you believe so. Tell us, what part of my assessment is incorrect, and why?

  • Do so feel that being a cosmetic surgeon somehow qualifies you as an expert on vaccines. Even the immunologists do not actually understand the immune system and as they should and need to. Furthermore they have no clue as to what the effect is of injecting all that vaccine toxicity and known contamination. And here you in your unrelated field arrogance, claim that you are the expert here. The “Shillary” must be getting desperate in their efforts to find people to reply post, here. Your level of ignorance and arrogance is simply disgusting

  • More twisted rants from an obviously …insane man. It is is a waste of my time to even read your endlessly continued and repeatedly twisted …bullshit.

  • EEJIT

    No Mr Hubbs I read the scientific peer reviewed papers unlike you who relies on youtube ,boughtmovie etc who only supply misinformation,and unlike you Mr Hubbs I am able to sort the wheat from the chaff.

  • Do I …what? I just answered the question directly. You don’t like the truth as to the answer, and so you require and demand a different answer? You are nothing but an in denial and a sick shill …so called Sarah. Don’t waste our time with any further replies made on this site.

  • That is a really good rant, if you wanted something that you could frame and hang in the pro-vax shills hall of shame. You are actually doing nothing of the sort, and what you claim to in that post is only a delusion, as to what you think you should be able to do, and wish you could do..And who do you actually think is actually naive enough to believe the BS that you posted. Wow, you must think and expect that the entire world is just a ignorant and just as delusional as you are. Sorry to tell you, but a real world world exists out there, and today, that is entirely opposite to that.

    And as well you failed to answer my question directly, and as a result which actually seems to more than answer the question I asked.

  • What do you actually see on the pages of my site? You see loads of studies that support my claims and position, and which are found as well in respected health care journals. There is no way any honest human being can just simply disregard that finding. More than enough scientific data.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-vaccine-damage—science.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/more-aluminum-adjuvant-harm-done-studies.html

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again it’s interesting that I can always explain my statements. Precisely what part of your post I’m responding to and how my statements apply. You in contrast only seem capable of making vague statements. You are unable to show the specific part of my post you are responding to and how exactly your reply is applicable.

    I predict you will do so again.

  • EEJIT

    Sorry Mr Hubbs all I see is Vacfacts= zealous anti vaxx site.

  • Sue

    hey Joe Joe I see you are helping someone else with their spelling.. and here I was thinking that you only helped me.. well I am in good company though with Ron Roy.. eh Joe joe…

  • David

    I never said I am a cosmetic surgeon. I am published in the field of measles control and international health and I have a degree from the best public health shook in the world. I have worked in over 15 countries with local health ministries and hospitals. All while you sit in your arm chair and spew garbage on your computer. So yes I am vastly more qualified than you. A million times over

  • David

    So the PHD immunologists do not understand the immune system but Lowell Hubbs with his grade 10 educator and armchair does? You are embarrassing yourself

  • Jonathan Graham

    Usually, it is

    a figment of your imagination.

  • AutismDadd

    Any chance a study looked at removing thimerosal and SIDS numbers declining?

  • AutismDadd

    BUT did it show DPT was linked to SIDS? And how many deaths from Pertussis compared to SIDS before the change in age thing?

  • AutismDadd

    Better hide under the bed shay. Japan felt it necessary to do that research, which isn’t unethical. So how many kids died of pertussis and how many were saved from SIDS. Its a question of believing lack of SIDS was valid…was it? Or are you going to use the double standard reserved for vaccines preventing death w/o actual evidence?

  • AutismDadd

    That’s about your speed. Under the D….DUH

  • AutismDadd

    And the Pertussis rate VS the SIDS rate?

  • AutismDadd

    Must be where Pro-vacs get the idea from.

  • AutismDadd

    Crappy New Year

  • That’s your game, not mine.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s obvious to anyone

    ignorant

    that they are paid

    FTFY.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So what passes for confirmation in your head Lowell? I mean since you made up this idea. Do you simply tell yourself that you’re right? Do voices tell you that?

  • David W

    LOL!

    So David is “ignorant and arrogant”…what do that make YOU?

  • Ron Roy

    It’s obvious to anyone with a little common sense that they are paid. FTFY.
    Concrete proof would be almost an impossibility because of the embarrassment it would cause those companies. FTFY too.

  • Wow, another TROLL; imagine that. By the looks of it all and this; it makes me a lot more informed and much smarter than he is. His real problem is that he refuses to face the evidence of reality.

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • As I said, your obvious level of crazed insanity and repeatedly blatant stupidity, will not any longer be responded to. Go falsely antagonize someone else.

  • Actually what exists within your mind is a seriously sick level of twisted and complete denial. Just face it.

  • I don’t actually need to depend on my education, but the education of others. As for myself, I only need to depend on my own rational thinking, cognitive ability, reading comprehension, and the ability to comprehend what amounts to basic common sense. I also and as well have an existing factor of, and which you do not have, and that is one of unbiased honesty.

    How Vaccines Dysregulate The Immune System
    http://gdsajj.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/how-vaccines-dysregulate-the-immune-system/

    Vaccinations Cause Chronic Immune System Dysregulation
    http://www.liveto110.com/vaccinations-cause-chronic-immune-system-dysregulation/

    How Do Vaccines Work? Immune Mechanisms and Consequences
    http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/component/option,com_crossjoomlaarticlemanager/Itemid,375/aid,1369/view,crossjoomlaarticlemanager/#sthash.rkJSugBv.dpuf

    Your Immune System, How It Works And How Vaccines Damage It
    http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Your-Immune-System-How-It-Works-And-How-Vaccines-Damage-It

    Anatomy and Physiology of the Immune System, Part 4
    How pharmaceuticals destroy nature
    http://jonbarron.org/article/anatomy-and-physiology-immune-system-part-4#.UwH0pvldXbY

    Understanding immunity requires more than immunology
    http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v11/n7/full/ni0710-561.html

    An Immune Disorder at the Root of Autism

    So here’s the short of it: At least a subset of autism — perhaps one-third, and very likely more — looks like a type of inflammatory disease. And it begins in the womb. [No it does NOT, and that is not necessarily true, unless the mother has taken a Thimerosal containing flu vaccine, or such as an aluminum adjuvant containing DTaP vaccine. Much of this dysregulation can clearly happen after birth, and of course infants are vaccinated, from birth.]

    It starts with what scientists call immune dysregulation. Ideally, your immune system should operate like an enlightened action hero, meting out inflammation precisely, accurately and with deadly force when necessary, but then quickly returning to a Zen-like calm. Doing so requires an optimal balance of pro- and anti-inflammatory muscle.

    In autistic individuals, the immune system fails at this balancing act. Inflammatory signals dominate. Anti-inflammatory ones are inadequate. A state of chronic activation prevails. And the more skewed toward inflammation, the more acute the autistic symptoms.

    Nowhere are the consequences of this dysregulation more evident than in the autistic brain. Spidery cells that help maintain neurons — called astroglia and microglia — are enlarged from chronic activation. Pro-inflammatory signaling molecules abound. Genes involved in inflammation are switched on.

    These findings are important for many reasons, but perhaps the most noteworthy is that they provide evidence of an abnormal, continuing biological process. That means that there is finally a therapeutic target for a disorder defined by behavioral criteria like social impairments, difficulty communicating and repetitive behaviors.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/immune-disorders-and-autism.html/?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    A Mouse Model for the Immune Dysregulation Subtype of Autism, (And they would still claim to that there is no way vaccines have and can cause autism? That conclusion is of course clearly preposterous.)
    http://tacanowblog.com/2012/07/23/a-mouse-model-for-the-immune-dysregulation-subtype-of-autism/

    Vaccines and Autism, ADHD and Asthma
    Immunizations and the Immunocompromised

    “Yet, no doctor is trained to look for this type of immunodeficiency and/or the kind of immune dysregulation that multiple vaccine can cause; which lead to so called inflammatory syndromes and resulting overactivation of the brains microglia cells and resulting chronic levels of brain inflammation now ever more increasingly found in studies of those with autism. Vaccine aluminum adjuvants in several studies have been fund as well to in itself cause this stated inflammation.

    http://www.epidemicanswers.org/vaccines-and-autism-adhd-and-asthma/

    The immune response in autism: a new frontier for autism research

    Immune aberrations consistent with a dysregulated immune response, which so far, have been reported in autistic children, include abnormal or skewed T helper cell type 1 (TH1)/TH2 cytokine profiles, decreased lymphocyte numbers, decreased T cell mitogen response, and the imbalance of serum immunoglobulin levels. In addition, autism has been linked with autoimmunity and an association with immune-based genes including human leukocyte antigen (HLA)-DRB1 and complement C4 alleles described.

    Read more:
    http://www.jleukbio.org/content/80/1/1.long

    Case Report – Open Access
    Evidence that Food Proteins in Vaccines Cause the Development of Food Allergies and Its Implications for Vaccine Policy

    Abstract

    Nobel Laureate Charles Richet demonstrated over a hundred years ago that injecting a protein into animals or humans causes immune system sensitization to that protein. Subsequent exposure to the protein can result in allergic reactions or anaphylaxis. This fact has since been demonstrated over and over again in humans and animal models. The Institute of Medicine (IOM) confirmed that food proteins in vaccines cause food allergy, in its 2011 report on vaccine adverse events. The IOM’s confirmation is the latest and most authoritative since Dr. Richet’s discovery. Many vaccines and injections contain food proteins. Many studies since 1940 have demonstrated that food proteins in vaccines cause sensitization in humans. Allergens in vaccines are not fully disclosed. No safe dosage level for injected allergens has been established. As a result, allergen quantities in vaccines and injections are not regulated. Allergen quantities in vaccine excipients are also not regulated. It has been demonstrated that a smaller quantity of allergen is needed to cause sensitization than elicitation. It is well recognized that many currently approved vaccines have enough allergen to cause anaphylaxis. Therefore, they contain more than enough allergen to cause sensitization. Children today have fewer childhood infectious diseases. They have less exposure to helminths. C-section birth rates have increased in the last few decades by 50%. C-section births are known to result in sub-optimal gut micro biome in the newborn. All the above result in an immune imbalance biased towards atopy. Vaccineschedules today include 30-40 shots. Up to five shots may be simultaneously administered in one sitting. Vaccines contain adjuvants such as pertussis toxins and aluminum compounds that also bias towards allergy. Adjuvants also increase the immunogenicity of injected food proteins. This combination of atopic children and food protein injection along with adjuvants, contributes to millions developing lifethreatening food allergies. Given the scale and severity of the food allergy epidemic, urgent action is needed to change vaccinepolicy concerning vaccine specifications, manufacture, vaccine package insert documentation requirements, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and the National Vaccine Injury compensation program. Many researchers have called for the removal of food proteins from vaccines and re-evaluation of adjuvants such as aluminum compounds. In the interim, food allergy warnings can be included in vaccine package inserts. Simultaneous administration of multiple vaccines can be stopped to avoid the combined negative effects of multiple food proteins and adjuvants.

    http://www.omicsgroup.org/journals/evidence-that-food-proteins-in-vaccines-cause-the-development-of-foodallergies-and-its-implications-for-vaccine-policy-2329-6631-1000137.php?aid=60994

    PDF of the study:
    http://www.omicsgroup.org/journals/evidence-that-food-proteins-in-vaccines-cause-the-development-of-foodallergies-and-its-implications-for-vaccine-policy-2329-6631-1000137.pdf

    Vaccinations CAUSE Allergies
    You are visiting Barbara Feick Gregory’s Vaccines & Food Allergies Information website
    http://barbfeick.com/vaccinations/

    The Shocking Link Between Peanut Allergies And Vaccines
    http://www.offthegridnews.com/alternative-health/the-shocking-link-between-peanut-allergies-and-vaccines/

    Vaccine-Induced Allergies
    http://www.smartvax.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=73:vaccine-induced-allergies
    health

    PEANUT ALLERGY: YET ANOTHER VACCINE-RELATED EPIDEMIC?
    Vaccines and the Peanut Allergy Epidemic
    Dr Tim O’Shea DC
    http://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/peanut-allergy-yet-another-vaccine-related-epidemic-2/

    Vaccines Cause Allergies – Dr. Dave Mihalovic
    http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/vaccines-cause-allergies-dr-dave-mihalovic/#.VetPudJViko

    Peanut allergy and the role of vaccination
    http://www.peanutallergy.com/boards/general-discussion/main-discussion-board/peanut-allergy-and-the-role-of-vaccination

    How to Cause a Peanut Allergy Epidemic in 4 Easy Steps
    http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/whats-really-behind-peanut-allergy-epidemic/

    Vaccine. 2008 Mar 25;26(14):1725-30. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2008.01.041. Epub 2008 Feb 13.
    Kinetics of asthma- and allergy-associated immune response gene expression in peripheral blood mononuclear cells from vaccinated infants after in vitro re-stimulation with vaccine antigen.
    Lahdenperä AI1, Nilsson LJ, Regnström K.

    Abstract

    The global expression of immune response genes in infants after vaccination and their role in asthma and allergy is not clearly understood. Pharmacogenomics is ideally suited to study the involved cellular responses, since the expression of thousands of genes can be assessed simultaneously. Here, array technology was used to assess the expression kinetics of immune response genes with association to asthma and allergy in peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC) of five healthy infants after vaccination with Infanrix-Polio+Hib. At 12h after in vitro re-stimulation of the PBMC with pertussis toxin (PT) antigen, 14 immune response pathways, 33 allergy-related and 66 asthma-related genes were found activated.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18336961

    Epidemiology. 1997 Nov;8(6):678-80.
    Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
    http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3702662?uid=3739904&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=211

    Study links vaccine induced immune overload to autism, diabetes, obesity

    Autism
    Type 1 diabetes
    Asthma
    Food allergies
    Many autoimmune diseases
    Obesity
    Type 2 diabetes
    Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFL)
    Metabolic disease.

    Read more:
    http://www.sott.net/article/279911-Study-links-vaccine-induced-immune-overload-to-autism-diabetes-obesity
    http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_30175.cfm

    Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases

    Conclusion: This suggests that patients with autoimmune autism likely represent a large subset of patients with autism and that the etiology of the epidemic of autoimmune/inflammation mediated autism in children is likely to be related to the etiology of the simultaneous epidemic of type 1 diabetes in children.

    http://www.omicsonline.com/open-access/vaccine-induced-immune-overload-and-the-resulting-epidemics-of-type-diabetes-and-metabolic-syndrome-1747-0862.S1-025.php?aid=24058

    Autoimmune Disorders Caused by Vaccines
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/autoimmune-disorders-caused-by-vaccines/

    Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity

    Conclusions/Significance
    Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host’s immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system’s self-organized criticality.

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0008382

    Millions of Children are Chronically Ill and Disabled
    https://vaccinesbytheoutliers.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/millions-of-children-are-chronically-ill-and-disabled/

    Its Not Just Autism
    http://journeyboost.com/2014/09/20/its-not-just-autism/

  • First of all, to make a stated claim here, you need to prove and show evidence for a claim. You have done no such thing, here. As far as so called conspiracy theories, what I put forth, is obvious fact that you can not refute.

    And as well then, stop being evasive as what to you actual tile is, and put that forth directly; and if you don’t want anyone, guessing. I don’t care what your title is, and you will never be anyone to me, or anyone else that puts forth and that is concerned with and about the real vaccine truth issues. You are nothing but a pathetic and falsely power mongering man, that refuses to face vaccine truth, and reality. The person here that is actually spewing nothing but arrogance filled in denial garbage here, is you. You actually are not any more qualified than any other member of big pharma mislead and existing medical establishment. You know, the people that as well get very little education and training in regard to the effect of vaccines.

    Get to answering these questions, and stop ignoring them. If you are so a million times more qualified, then why can’t you answer those questions? I will tell you why. Because the real and obviously needed vaccine safety studies, have never been done. Come on, prove me wrong. People like you are nothing but entirely misguided and delusional. And I should ask you again, how’s the funding, going?

    9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

    And no, those questions have not been previously answered, and as this page directly explains, right here.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/my-response-to-antonio-baduy-caacutemara-and-the-blog-skeptical-raptor-as-to-their-response-to-9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • So what you are saying is that you can not see supporting scientific studies listed in the pages right in front of you. And you are saying that you can not see any of them, because you refuse to. Nice job.

  • David W

    Oh Lowell, you’re a hoot.

  • How much of a hoot do you think is it is for all to the parents with vaccine injured children? You know, how do they feel as well when they see and read of your posted, derelict level of reasoning and mentality?

  • David W

    Lowell, you are delusional. Ignorant and arrogant. Unfortunately you lack the metacognitive ability to see just how wrong you are. I’ll take a trained medical professional over any of your blathering anyday.
    There are enough medical professionals who have proven you to be wrong time and again.

    You want to change my mind…bring evidence. Look for government funded research and labs in countries with socialized health care; or has big pharma paid off governments and scientist around the world?

  • David W

    What do you say to the parents of a child who has died because the cannot be immunized and caught a VPD from an idiot antivaxxer. A much higher risk.

  • Unfortunately the risk of childhood vaccine injury today, in regard to today’s existing CDC vaccine schedule; is much higher than that of any potential risk as to any so called VPD/illness. Unless the CDC is willing to get honest about the risks, the general public will never realize that risk, unless they do the needed independent research. You can deny those known risks all you want, but it still does not make them go away.

  • The evidence is in the endless numbers of parental reports of their previously healthy child being vaccinated, and then becoming obviously injured. The evidence is as well found in the real and independent vaccine safety studies, which you refuse. Your rational thought process is entirely deficient and defective. Just make a list of your false excuses to deny, what is really going on with vaccines.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s obvious to anyone with a little

    …brain.

    Concrete proof would be almost an impossibility

    Just a post ago you seemed to imply that it was possible now it’s an near impossibility. LOL.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The idea that I’m getting paid to post here is purely a delusion of yours. Sorry. Just a fact.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again you can only bring vague assertions. How you “confirmed” something you made up is simply left unsupported. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Perhaps if there weren’t so many quotes in that meme it would make more sense. :-)

  • What do you not understand about the statement, Still waiting, for you to post something intelligent? You seriously SICK …man.

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s not a question of my understanding. It’s that when you put quotes on something it tends to convey the opposite to the stated message. Also even when getting memes to talk for you. You still are unable to produce much more than vague generalities.

  • And your brain is really that sick and twisted. Are you sure you are even human? No one wants to read your bullshit. What do you not get about that?

  • David

    The education of others? Do you have a single scientist that you read that actually holds an active academic position at a university. Or are you talking about disgraced “scientists” like Suzanne Humphrey who has not done any vaccine research except reading online.

  • Jonathan Graham

    What I pointed out were two simple facts:

    i) Quotes tend to convey the opposite message of the literal text.
    ii) You really have no ability to engage in discussion outside of some set pieces and just vague assertions. :-)

  • Just admit to how twisted and seriously sick you are. Again, no one wants to read your bullshit.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yawn. More vague assertions from Lowell.

  • Gary

    1) Your point assumes the infant mortality rate is due to vaccines alone – there are other factors affecting it. Even those opposed to vaccines will admit there are causes of death in infants other than vaccines, although vaccines are probably the major contributor.

    2) Point 1) makes point 2) irrelevant.

  • 1)Again, I’m not arguing for correlation = causation. I’m arguing for no correlation = no causation.

    2)It’s not a point yet. It’s a claim.

  • Ron Roy

    It’s obvious to anyone That has a modicum of intelligence that they are paid
    FTFY.

    concrete proof would be great but the MEDICAL MAFIA is not about to disclose the fact that they have to pay people to push their poisons.
    However some payoffs have been exposed:https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s obvious to anyone That has a modicum of intelligence that they are paid

    Again you can’t answer my question. How is something like people here being paid off be obvious but also utterly devoid of confirming evidence? Why is it so hard for you to answer this simple question?

  • Ron Roy

    ;Just where did I say it was possible? I said: ”It’s obvious to anyone with a little common sense that they are paid.” And as far as your comment on a little brain; Most people have a normal sized brain but compared to you swollen ( not a compliment ) brain it appears that they have a little brain.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Just where did I say it was possible?

    Yawn….

    Keep me posted. It’s obvious to anyone that they are paid but concrete proof would be great. I would post it on Facebook to show parents with vaccine damaged children who some of their enemies are. Baby killers all of them.

    So Ron are you asking Lowell to keep you posted for something that will never happen? You describe in detail what you would do with information that can’t be found? Ron, even Lowell understood that – just read his reply.

  • AutismDadd

    Have you sued your barber yet? Talk about brutal.

  • Jonathan Graham

    AutismDadd reads at a 10th grade level, makes insults at a 3rd…

  • shay simmons

    concrete proof would be great but you’ve never been able to find any.

  • shay simmons

    Concrete proof would be almost an impossibility because it doesn’t exist.

  • shay simmons

    but concrete proof would be great. But non-existent.

  • AutismDadd

    Wow a school yard bully

  • Ron Roy

    ”but concrete proof would be great” But the pharmaceutical companies are experts at hiding payoffs.

  • shay simmons

    Hiding payoffs to several million people? (koff, koff).

    As I said, Ron…if you didn’t exist, we’d have to invent you.

  • David W

    False. Look beyond US borders for research.
    Chance of an actual vax injury is about 1/1,000,000

  • David W

    Lowell, you can’t look at two events and declair a cause and effect relationship.

  • David W

    Post the Pubmed index numbers so I can look up all this evidence you say exists.

  • You already know what my website name is; why didn’t you go there? There are far to many studies to post all the Pubmed index numbers individually. And second of all, why would and should I need to waste my time in doing that; when there are long lists of those studies on these pages right here, And many of those studies are as well published in Pubmed, as you can easily see.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/more-aluminum-adjuvant-harm-done-studies.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-vaccine-damage—science.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/aluminum-vaccine-adjuvants.html

  • False. That number comes directly from the CDC, and is claimed to be based only on the existing VAERS reporting data. First of all very few of those reports will they and do they consider to have solid enough information to conclude a serious vaccine caused, and/or death They are simply to biased to adequately evaluate those reports. Second, the VAERS data is well know to contain only a 1 to 10% reporting factor. The reason for that is largely resulting from doctors big pharma based brainwashed medical school training; and in which they are taught that serious vaccine reactions are so rare, they they may never see a single one of them during their career. Additionally, there is literally political correctness pressure existing, and in that you do not report anything to VAERS as a vaccine reaction, or you may face the political peer directed fallout that may follow; and if they know about it. When you witness all the reports by parents in regard their previously healthy child getting vaccines, and then becoming obviously vaccine injured, you can only conclude that there are thousands of existing vaccine harmed infants and children, all across the US, and for that matter, globally. Just as there are in regard to Gardasil.

  • First of all, Dr Suzanne Humphries has never been disgraced, ever. In fact you should as well know that you can not refute anything that she has put forth. Disgraced where, in the sick, twisted, and lying Gorski no actual science there, and the Skeptical Raptor disinformation blogs?

    Here is some of Suzanne’s conference work right here.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    This man right here is a retired board certified, neurosurgeon. Academically speaking, he obviously has a high level of understanding in regard to the human brain, and as well in regard to actual human physiology. You obviously couldn’t even begin to compare to that, and as for your knowledge.

    Session 22, The Vaccine Safety Conference: Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD, CCN

    THE CENTRAL ROLE OF IMMUNOEXCITOTOXICITY IN ALUMINUM AND MERCURY-CONTAINING ADJUVANT-TRIGGERED NEURODEVELOPMENTAL AND NEURODEGENERATIVE DISORDERS

    Dr. Russell Blaylock is a board certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. He attended the Louisiana State University School of Medicine in New Orleans and completed his general surgical internship and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston, South Carolina. During his residency training he worked with the eminent neurosurgeon, Dr. Ludwig Kempe. Together they developed the transcallosal removal of intraventricular tumors, a technique still used today. For the past 25 years he has practiced neurosurgery in addition to having a nutritional practice. He recently retired from his neurosurgical duties to devote his full attention to nutritional studies and neuroscience research.

    Blaylock has authored three books on nutrition and wellness: Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills, Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life and Natural Strategies for The Cancer Patient. He co-authored the book Cellular and Molecular Biology of Autism Spectrum Disorders with Dr. Anna Strunecka and written over 40 papers for peer-reviewed journals. Blaylock serves on the editorial staff of the Fluoride Journal, the Journal of the American Physicians and Surgeons and the Journal of the American Nutriceutical Association. Blaylock has been appointed to serve on the Scientific Advisory Board of the Life Extension Foundation. He is the 2004 recipient of the Integrity in Science Award granted by the Weston A. Price Foundation. An in-demand guest for radio and television programs, he lectures extensively to both lay and professional medical audiences on a variety of nutrition-related subjects. He previously served as clinical assistant professor of neurosurgery at the University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson, Miss. and is currently a visiting professor of biology at Belhaven University, also in Jackson.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9DkcpEEBPI

    How Vaccines Harm Child Brain Development – Dr Russell Blaylock

    If you are a parent of a baby or young children, expecting a baby or if you are a health professional you need to watch this lecture filmed at a Radio Liberty Seminar in October 2008 in which Russell Blaylock MD discusses the effect of vaccines on the developing brain and his concerns about the increasingly crowded infant vaccination schedule.

    Dr Blaylock also provides compelling arguments why the vaccination of pregnant women is harmful and a hidden cause of neurological disorders. He also discusses the toxic ingredients in vaccines such as formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum and MSG and the detrimental effects they have on the brain and nervous system. He also touches on other vaccine-related topics, such as the conflicts of interests influencing vaccination policy due to the influence the pharmaceutical industry exerts on the government and the pharmaceutical industry, the polio epidemics in Africa, mercury toxicity and other medical scandals.

    CDC officials claim vaccines are safe and effective. Is that true? If vaccines are safe, why has the incidence of autism increased from one case of autism in 10,000 to one case of autism in every 50 American children in the past few years, in parallel with a huge increase in the number of vaccines the government is promoting as part of the childhood vaccination schedule?

    If childhood vaccines are safe, why are well over half a million vaccinated American children afflicted with autism, while non-vaccinated Amish and Mennonite children rarely suffer from the disorder? Why has the incidence of asthma, allergies, autoimmune disease, Type 1 diabetes and neurological conditions also dramatically increased in vaccinated children?

    Furthermore, why do obstetricians give pregnant women influenza vaccines that contain a toxic dose of mercury and why are new babies injected with the Hepatitis B vaccine within hours of birth when there is no medical justification for it?

    In this informative lecture, Dr Blaylock addresses these and many other vaccine-related issues. If you are concerned about your and your family’s health and want to make an informed decision on behalf of your child or children, this is a really important video for you to watch. You will never look at vaccination and the so-called health care system the same way again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QBcMYqlaDs

    Aluminum Induced Immunoexcitotoxicity in Neurodevelopmental and Neurodegenerative Disorders
    Current Inorganic Chemistry 2012, Vol. 2, No. 1
    Russell L. Blaylock, MD
    Visiting Professor Biology Belhaven University Theoretical Neurosciences Research, LLC Ridgeland, Mississippi, USA
    This article has 85 references

    Abstract

    A great deal has been learned about the neurotoxicity of aluminum over the past two decades in terms of its ability to disrupt cellular function. Newer evidence suggests that a more central pathophysiological mechanism may be responsible for much of the toxicity of aluminum and aluminofluoride compounds on the brain. This mechanism involves activation of the brainâ € ™ s innate immune system, primarily the microglia, with a release of neurotoxic concentrations of excitotoxins and pro-inflammatory cytokines, chemokines and immune mediators. A large number of studies suggest that excitotoxicity plays a significant role in the neurotoxic action of a number of metals, including aluminum. Recently, researchers have found that while most of the chronic neurodegenerative effects of these metals are secondary to prolonged inflammation, it is the enhancement of excitotoxicity by the immune mediators that is responsible for most of the metalâ € ™ s toxicity. This enhancement occurs via a crosstalk between cytokine receptors and glutamate receptors. The author coined the name immunoexcitotoxicity to describe this process. This paper reviews the evidence linking immunoexcitotoxicity to aluminums neurotoxic effects.

    http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Aluminum-Blaylock.pdf

    Autism Spectrum Disorders and Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants
    Lucija Tomljenovic, Russell L. Blaylock, Christopher A. Shaw

    Abstract
    Impaired brain function, excessive inflammation, and autoimmune manifestations are common in autism. Aluminum (Al), the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant, is a demonstrated neurotoxin and a strong immune stimulator. Hence, adjuvant Al has the necessary properties to induce neuroimmune disorders. Because peripheral immune stimuli in the postnatal period can compromise brain development and cause permanent neurological impairments, the possibility that such outcomes could also occur with administration of Al vaccine adjuvants needs to be considered. In regard to the risk of adjuvant toxicity in children, the following should be noted: (i) children should not be viewed as “small adults” as their unique physiology makes them more vulnerable to toxic insults; (ii) in adult humans Al adjuvants can cause a variety of serious autoimmune and inflammatory conditions including those affecting the brain, yet children are routinely exposed to much higher amounts of Al from vaccines than adults; (iii) compelling evidence has underscored the tight connection between the development of the immune system and that of the brain. Thus, it appears plausible that disruptions of critical events in immune development may also play a role in the establishment of neurobehavioral disorders; (iv) the same immune system components that play key roles in brain development appear to be targeted for impairment by Al adjuvants. In summary, research data suggests that vaccines containing Al may be a contributing etiological factor in the increasing incidence of autism.

    http://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4614-4788-7_89

    Journal of American Nutraceutical Association 6: 21-35, 2003.
    Interaction of Cytokines, Excitotoxins, and Reactive Nitrogen and Oxygen Species in Autism Spectrum Disorders, Russell Blaylock, MD* Medical Director, Advanced Nutritional Concepts Ridgeland, Mississippi

    ABSTRACT

    There is growing and compelling evidence that excessive peripheral as well as central immune activation of brain microglia can result in alterations in brain growth and connectivity during rapid brain growth, the so-called “brain growth spurt.” A considerable amount of evidence, presented in this paper, demonstrates the deleterious effects of immune factors, such as cytokines, chemokines, and excitotoxins, when present in excess. The interaction between excitotoxicity, ROS and RNS injury and immune dysfunction is discussed. It is concluded that excessive activation of the brain’s immune system during critical growth periods can occur when vaccines are given as combination vaccines, using schedules that are too close together or by the use of certain live viruses in the vaccines.

    http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=1084

    Aluminum/adjuvant studies
    http://www.cmsri.org/global-research/

    CMSRI-funded Research
    http://www.cmsri.org/cmsri-funded-research/

    More studies, take a look. Why isn’t the CDC and Paul Offit, looking? They refuse to.

    Dr. Paul Offit’s Aluminum Deceptions and Academic Misconduct (one very important article, to read)
    http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

    The Defense of Aluminum Adjuvant, Debunked
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    Part 1: Immune Activation and Autism
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    See all posts on Immune Activation

    Part 1: Immune Activation and Autism
    Part 2: Interleukin-6 and Autism
    Part 3: Monkey Experiments
    Part 4: (Coming Soon) Prenatal vs. Postnatal Immune Activation

    http://vaccinepapers.org/immune-activation/

    Scientific Papers Library
    Immune Activation
    http://vaccinepapers.org/scientific-papers-library/

    A More Rigorous Defense of Al Adjuvant, and Why it is Wrong
    http://vaccinepapers.org/rigorous-defense-al-adjuvant-wrong/

    VRM: The Problem With Vaccines Part 2 – Synergistic Effect of Heavy Metal Toxicity On The Body
    http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=6097

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Original Antigenic Sin Committed by Vaccination
    By Suzanne Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk – VRAN Newsletter, Fall 2013
    http://vaccinechoicecanada.com/resources/books-periodicals/original-antigenic-sin-committed-by-vaccination/

    DOCTORS AGAINST VACCINES – HEAR FROM THOSE WHO HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH
    http://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/doctors-against-vaccines-hear-from-those-who-have-done-the-research

    Doctors Against Vaccines: The Other Side of the Story is Not Being Told
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/doctors-against-vaccines-the-other-side-of-the-story-is-not-being-told/

    Medical Doctors Opposed to Forced Vaccinations – Should Their Views be Silenced?
    https://vaccineimpact.com/2015/medical-doctors-opposed-to-forced-vaccinations-should-their-views-be-silenced/

    Doctors Against Mandatory Vaccines: Patients in Danger due to No Product Liability
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/doctors-against-mandatory-vaccines-patients-in-danger-due-to-no-product-liability/

    Physicians Opposed to Mandatory Vaccines Start “Physicians for Informed Consent” Organization
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/physicians-opposed-to-mandatory-vaccines-start-physicians-for-informed-consent-organization/

    Ep 02- Why Would Anyone be Pro-Vaccine?
    My Incredible Opinion with Forrest Maready
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j93vmm4plMI

  • David

    You proved my point. In the whole world, you are unable to provide the name of someone who actively does research in the field and holds an academic position. That is quite pathetic in that there are literally million of researchers in the world.

    Also my credentials trump both of them as I have an mph with a specialty in disease control and international health. I am a medical specialist and I am published in the field.
    Both your idols are trained in unrelated fields.

    Conference talks like humphreys is not research, it is just her opinion. She has not conducted any research.

  • David

    By the way, the journal of American neutraceuticals? Is that even indexed on medline. What a joke? I would be ashamed to be published in a rag like that.
    Where are the articles in lancet, jama, nejm

    You do realize that except in your weird world, these people are not considered scientists. People don’t even laugh at them because no one even knows who they are.

  • I see, so instead of actually reviewing the information and responding to it, and much more offering any refute to it, be that explanation and/ or in providing opposing scientific study refute, all you can do and offer is to attempt to falsely discredit Dr. Blaylock, and the corresponding information. I can not imagine a more pathetic situation, and for you, than to need to deny that kind of information and evidence in regard to the harm of vaccines.

    Indeed there is a world out there where in fact a large number people know all to well who people like Dr Blaylock is. And that does include people within your so called medical circles and even the CDC. Just because they are forced to ignore and not acknowledge the information, does not make it any less significant. All of it is as well far more real and significant than your paid for junk science epidemiological studies. You are one seriously delusional and defiant of all existing truth and reality, individual.

    One thing as well that you obviously refuse to see, is that every time you reply post here, it only reinforces the picture of denial, dishonesty, and corruption that those who know and seek vaccine truth, see time and time again within the pro-vax side of this. You are not fooling anyone, and even more-so that actually matters. The only people that matter are those open minded enough to want, desire, and accept the vaccine truth that goes on here at the vactruth site.

  • David W

    The website you reference is useless.
    You want me to look up the Pubmed numbers because there are to many to list.

    In other words I need to do the reseach to show you’re right?
    It doesn’t work that way. Pubmed index numbers…or I’ll take it you have nothing. Well done troll.

  • David W

    More lies. You are wasting my time now.

  • The only point that has been proven repeatedly here, and that has been taken here, is only that which shows and involves directly your twisted level of in denial arrogance. You are directly refusing solid information regarding vaccines and vaccine harm risk; and which as well is information that you can not actually refute in any form, and nor offer any scientific study evidence to counter any of that which is being put forth as to what I am providing, and that I continue to provide.

    Your claimed credentials are nothing; and they mean nothing to me. It is just the same old same old. People like you follow only the known false vaccine propaganda. If you had anything, you would be able to directly counter all of this with facts, and as I said in the paragraph above. You have absolutely nothing but false disreditation, to offer; and which is the same thing seen time after time with the pro-vax side of this.

  • Really? If that is not the correct explanation, then go ahead and put forth precisely the correct one, as to where the CDC acquired that said one in a million doses vaccine risk ratio and claim??? Come on, lets see the answer you come up with?

  • David W

    Lowell wanted me to go to that site too.
    Was it full of Pubmed indexed reseach paper?
    I guess he thought we would be impressed.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Glad you understand that’s how you’re viewed here.

  • Obviously you either are ignoring it and what you found there, (if not out rightly lying), or you did not actually go to my listed site pages. On those pages all of the studies are directly linked with an url link to the study. Some are to the actual journal link, and the rest of them are directly linked to the Pubmed citation in Pubmed that they are found in.

    You should know as well that any study linked to and found in a journal is easily linked to the Pubmed citation number and source that it is as well found in. You have no false excuses, left. As I said the research is and has clearly been done for you. Additionally, I have many other studies in my files, that are not on those pages. Just name the vaccine related subject matter and perhaps I will have a study for you. That’s right, it is all about the available study science.

  • Polak

    Yeah he has a habit of constantly supplying the same old useless links eg whale to and vacfacts,sometimes I think he might also be Ron Roy or else they are related.

  • David

    Lowell get it through your head. No one is going to pay attention to you until you give evidence from respected peer reviewed journals and respected scientists. Anyone can say anything they want on YouTube and the internet like yourself and your idols Humphrey and blaylock
    Until something is published in peer reviewed journals your crap simply does not deserve a response.

    The only reason anyone engages yourself and these disgraced scientists is that you are disseminating false information to people who do not have the ability to critically think.

  • And you can just geti it through your head. You are not the judge and jury here of and as to who is paying attention to who, and as to what posted information. I do not need to show or prove anything to you, and which meets with your acceptance; and nothing ever would that is not pro-vaccine information and studies.

    My only goal here is to post replies that show directly the error in your replies, and that for thinking and open minded people that are looking for and accepting of the real vaccine truth information. You are nothing, and the reality of it all is that the garbage that you post only reinforces the image of your lack of honest, lack of credibility, selective ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, cognitive dissonance, and in and as to your denial of real vaccine truth information. It is actually just the opposite of what you attempt to state that it is; and that is your outcome.

    All you are actually doing here is making it much worse for yourself and your pro-vax agenda; and in and as to the continual reinforcement you are providing as to what I just stated. Real people, and honest people which are earnestly concerned about the vaccine, and vaccine safety issues, will never follow you, and nor will they follow your blatantly false claims.

  • David

    ha ha. You are a funny man. Keep ranting and raving so I can keep referring mothers to check you out. Think of the bright side, it will increase your you tube volume from 200 people to 300.

  • Ron Roy

    You overestimated the number of people who they ” secretly ” pay by a few million. Here’s a list of those they openly pay: https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/

  • Jonathan Graham

    So there would be no evidence at all then. So there is no observable difference between someone who is getting paid off and someone who you have deluded yourself into thinking is getting paid off. Thanks for refuting your own argument Ron. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    Only by those as confused as you. As if you don’t bully. Give me a break!

  • Jonathan Graham

    I don’t bully. Your insult laden responses are evident for all to see.

  • AutismDadd

    School yard bully at work.

  • AutismDadd

    More drool from shaynus

  • AutismDadd

    Shocking and damning evidence of collusion. No conspiracy they say? Shows every doctor has his price and they eagerly sell their souls for $$$

  • AutismDadd

    Hilarious. A bully who denies it.

  • JGC

    I’m curious: is there any actual evidence which demonstrates the child’s death was a result of “vaccines over-stimulating his immune system”, or is this conclusion founded in nothing other than a post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy?

  • JGC

    “Ron is a very learned and intelligent man”
    Dang! There goes another irony meter, up in flames.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Pointing out the obvious that Lowell doesn’t understand probability and is unwilling to learn isn’t bullying. Sorry.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and non-bullies also deny being bullies. I happen to be one of those. You on the other hand, well as I said anyone can look through your post history and see insult after insult, day after day.

  • shay simmons

    Your conspiracy requires the buy-in of millions of healthcare workers, government officials, researchers, and lawyers.

  • JGC

    Lowell, do you have any actual evidence which demonstrates that the risks associated with routine childhood vaccination exceed the risks associated with remaining vulnerable to the diseases they protect against? Something that takes a form other than argument from authority (Buchald) or is founded entirely in a post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy (Classen)?

    Re: Odent, since 1994 the possibility of a causal association between pertussis vaccination and asthma has been investigated extensively and no indication of such an association has been found. See, for example PMID: 17974720, a 2007 meta-analysis of 12 large scale studies involving more than 228K subjects, which concluded “Currently available data, based on observational studies, do not support an association, provocative or protective, between receipt of the BCG or whole-cell pertussis vaccine and risk of asthma in childhood and adolescence.”

  • AutismDadd

    More comedy. They can view yours too, and see that you deny what you do.

  • JGC

    And the evidence demonstrating that delaying vaccination until after 24 months actually caused the decline in infant mortality would be what exactly, dsaulw?

    And rather than increasing the risk of SIDS, routine vaccination instead reduces a child’s risk of SIDS by 50% (see PMID: 17400342)

  • AutismDadd

    Why point it out unless its you way of belittling him?

  • Jonathan Graham

    They can’t see me bullying anyone…and of course you can’t point out where I do.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Because the point is not to belittle him but to indicate the conversation is being blocked by Lowell’s inability to understand math and his unwillingness to learn.

  • AutismDadd

    Pathological

  • Jonathan Graham

    Apparently I’m the opposite of a pathological liar. It would be trivial to catch someone who is pathological in a clear lie. Yet despite my thousands of posts you can’t come up with one. :-)

  • JGC

    Your evidence that there are a few million people they “secretly” pay would be what, Ron?

  • JGC

    Lowell, there is no scientific evidence whatsoever which suggests that vaccines are capable of causing the injuries associated with shaken baby syndrome.
    And as the adoptive parent of a child still suffering the consequences of having been shaken, I have to ask you seriously: is there no low you will not stoop to in pursuit of your emotional need to falsely vilify routine childhood vaccination programs?

  • JGC

    “It is direct and to the point, as the evidence to back what is on that sign is clearly shown and proven by multiple sources.”

    What evidence is that , Lowell? I’ve never once seen you offer any actual evidence in support of your claims.

  • JGC

    The depth of Ron’s delusion is aptly demonstrated by the fact he believes whale.to is a credible source of information.

  • Ron Roy

    Never said millions being secretly paid but I did post proof that hundreds if not thousands ARE paid by pharmaceutical companies: https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/

  • Ron Roy
  • JGC

    Sorry for the misunderstanding.

    That said, how is the fact that pharmaceutical companies pay physicians for the delivery promotional talks, conducting of research and consulting a matter for concern?

  • AutismDadd

    Yawn. Its there in spades, but I’m not going to dumpster dive through your trash to get evidence that is in plain view.

  • AutismDadd

    Belittling….bullying/ Trying to dominate….bullying / name calling….bullying…need I go on?

  • JGC

    Ron, ignoring their dubious provenance neither of your links offers any evidence that th risks assume ciat d with routine childhood vaccinstion exceed the risks associat d with remaining vulnerable to infection-/just a lot of quotes from people offering totally unsupported assertions that vaccines are harmful.

  • Ron Roy

    Study Links Vaccine Induced Immune Overload to Autism, Diabetes, Obesity

    Posted on: Friday, May 30th 2014 at 5:30 pm

    Written By: Sayer Ji, Founder

    This article is copyrighted by GreenMedInfo LLC, 2014
    Visit our Re-post guidelines

    A new vaccine study published in Molecular and Genetic Medicine is
    bringing to the forefront the disturbing connection between the
    dramatic expansion in the quantity of routine childhood vaccines
    administered and a corresponding increase in inflammation-associated
    disorders.

    Titled, “Review
    of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1
    Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent
    Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated
    Diseases,” the study argues that vaccine-induced immune
    overload is a driving factor in a number of rapidly accelerating
    childhood epidemics including:

    Autism

    Type 1 diabetes

    Asthma

    Food allergies

    Many autoimmune diseases

    Obesity

    Type 2 diabetes

    Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFL)

    Metabolic disease.

    The paper sought to provide a theory of vaccine induced immune
    overload to explain many observations about the changes in the
    epidemics. The fundamental problem, according to the study, is that
    vaccinology assumes a ‘one size fits all’ approach that results in the
    majority of the vaccine recipients having overstimulated immune systems:

    “One major problem with vaccines is the concept of one size fits
    all. Package inserts of almost all vaccines recommend a dose based on
    age. In order for a vaccine to be a commercial success it is expected to
    induce a protective immune response in well over 90% of children. In
    order for this to happen a dose, based on age, must stimulate a
    protective immune response in those with the weakest immune system. In
    the process of doing this, the other 90% or more of children have their
    immune system over stimulated. The process of over stimulating the
    immune system time and time again increases the risk of inflammatory
    diseases like autoimmune diseases, and allergies which cause even more
    inflammation.”

    The result of the over stimulated state of the body following
    vaccination varies, but depends entirely on bio-individuality, namely,
    the unique physiological response an individual has to inflammation. The
    inflammatory cascade has other adverse downstream effects:

    “Inflammation causes the release of cytokines which can trigger
    autoimmune diseases but also stimulate cortisol production, the major
    negative feedback loop of the immune system. According to the theory
    inflammation induced cortisol production varies based on race [3] which
    can be explained by the presence of genes that alter cortisol
    production. Individuals who produce a lot of cortisol in response to
    inflammation have a tendency to develop a Cushingoid like response that
    includes obesity, type 2 diabetes/insulin resistance, hypertension, and
    dyslipidemia which is called metabolic syndrome.”

    As the dominant meme perpetuated by stakeholders in the vaccine
    agenda over the past 15 years has been ‘the more vaccines the better,’
    today’s vaccine schedule is loaded to the hilt with vaccines, each new
    addition increasing with mathematical certainty the chances of immune
    overload:

    “Since 1999 the routine pediatric immunization schedule [9,10]
    increased by 80 vaccines. This number is derived by the fact that
    multivalent vaccines contain specific vaccines to each separate strain.
    The following have been added, pneumococcus (13 valent), meningococcus
    (4 valent), human papilloma virus (4 valent), hepatitis A (1 valent),
    rotatavirus (4 additional valent), influenza (3 valent per year x 18
    years=54).”

    The study provided in depth explanations of the various ways in which
    vaccine induced immune over stimulation may contribute to chronic
    diseases such as type 1 diabetes, obesity, and NAFL, but the proposed
    link with autism is most conspicuous, considering it is a highly taboo
    topic to link vaccine exposures with autism spectrum disorder. The lead
    author of the study referenced a previous study he published last year
    (2013) titled “Prevalence
    of Autism is Positively Associated with the Incidence of Type 1
    Diabetes, but Negatively Associated with the Incidence of Type 2
    Diabetes, Implication for the Etiology of the Autism Epidemic Molecular
    and Genetic Medicine,” wherein is described research
    linking the prevalence of type 1 diabetes with autism, suggesting their
    etiologies are related, including a mention of the possible role of
    vaccines in contributing to these simultaneous epidemics. Clearly if
    vaccines are capable of over stimulating the immune system and/or
    breaking immunological self-tolerance, this could be expressed in a wide
    range of ways: the immune system could attack the insulin producing
    beta cells in the pancreas (type 1 diabetes) or the brain (autism). The permutations and effects on health are actually quite endless.

    The author pointed out that the theory of vaccine-induced
    autoimmunity has been exceedingly difficult to prove because both
    post-marketing epidemiological surveillance studies and prospective
    controlled trials of vaccines performed for licensure are either too small, too
    short in duration or inappropriately controlled (use other vaccines as
    controls) to appropriately study the relationship between vaccines and
    these epidemics.

    The author also points out that “While it would be ideal to have more
    clinical trial data, industry and government have been reluctant to
    provide such information. However, conclusions regarding toxicity of
    many agents including cigarettes and asbestos were made without clinical
    trial data. The author believes that the sum of the data described and
    relationship.”

    We feel the author is correct to raise the cautionary flag. This is
    not a strictly academic issue, as the present and future health of our
    children is on the line. If the expansive pediatric immunization
    schedule is resulting in the over stimulation and dysregulation of
    childhood immunity, explaining the mystery behind the atrocious and
    seemingly “idiopathic” epidemic of autism, the approach must immediately
    be suspended and reassessed for safety with appropriately controlled
    trials (non-vaccine controls) to provide the necessary evidence long
    lauded as the basis and justification for vaccination versus nutritional
    optimization, sanitation, hygiene and plant-based medicine as the first
    strategic line of defense for the prevention of infectious disease.
    Anything less than this is pseudo-scientific and clearly violates
    informed consent.

  • AutismDadd

    Probably Gorski /ORAC

  • FACTS

    well, the statistical probability overwhelmingly points to vaccines as the culprit.. to pretend that the huge numbers of deaths and severe injuries within hours of vaccines are ALL “just coincidental” is an absurdity.. anyone making that claim is a vicious fool and a criminal..

  • Ron Roy

    ”how is the fact that pharmaceutical companies pay physicians for the
    delivery promotional talks, conducting of research and consulting a
    matter for concern?” They would never bite the hand that feeds them.

  • shay simmons

    Clones?

  • Jonathan Graham

    that is in plain view.

    Translation: Made up

  • Jonathan Graham

    .need I go on?

    Well if you can actually make your point instead of just vague assertions. Then please do. Otherwise I think most people have seen your usual deceptive speech patter.

  • Now you understand the worship of their fake and false gods. Thanks, AutismDadd, for your thinking, support.

    INDESCRIBABLY DISGUSTING VACCINE INGREDIENTS

    SO WHAT ABOUT THE FLY IN OUR SOUP?

    It may not do any harm at all, especially if it has been well heated in the soup!

    However, all injected substances including insect fragments bypass the body’s intricate defense mechanism. The same substances which are harmless when ingested are shown to be extremely detrimental to health when injected. This is learned by medical students and others, but many doctors, health authorities and other vaccine promoters appear to ignore this basic fact.

    Read more:
    http://birthofanewearth.blogspot.com/2012/01/indescribably-disgusting-vaccine.html

    Biblical Reasons Not to Vaccinate, (Mary Tocco)
    http://childhoodshots.com/biblical-reasons-vaccinate/

    God Does Not Support Vaccines
    http://www.livingwhole.org/god-does-not-support-vaccines/

    RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION

    This letter is to serve as notification that ____________________________ and ___________________________, the parents of __________________________, born __________, ___, 20___, are exercising our right to a religious waiver on all future childhood vaccinations because we find them to be in extreme violations of our personal religious beliefs.

    The following are ways in which these violations manifest themselves in the vaccinations recommended by the Center for Disease Control.

    The use of cells, cellular debris, protein, and DNA from willfully aborted human children found in Adenovirus, Polio, Dtap/Polio/HiB Combo, Hep A, Hep A/Hep B Combo, MMR, MMRV Pro Quad, Rabies, Varicella, and the Shingles vaccines violate the very basic commands found in Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:15 which instructs us to not murder. The following ingredients were derived from no fewer than 107 human souls who were sacrificed for social reasons and then used in past and ongoing vaccine research: PER C6, HEK293, WI-38 (RA 27/3), WI-1, WI-2, WI-3, WI-4, WI-5, WI-6, WI-7, WI-8, WI-9, WI-10, WI-11, WI-12, WI-13, WI-14, WI-15, WI-16, WI-17, WI-18, WI-19, WI-20, WI-21, WI-22, WI-23, WI-24, WI-25, WI-26, WI-27, WI-38, WI-44, and MCR-5 plus many other ingredients obtained from human children not required to be listed by FDA guidelines. Supporting vaccinations and vaccination developments is an endorsement of the sacrifice of those and the continuing sacrifice of other human souls.

    Genesis 4:1, 17 and Jeremiah 1:5 demonstrate that the deceased children used in the aforementioned vaccinations were recognized by God as human souls from the point of conception in the same way that we, as parents, recognized our child as a human from the moment we were aware of his/her presence in his/her mother’s wombs.

    Genesis 1:27 – 28, 4:1, 2 Kings 17:17-18, Psalm 22:10-11, 106: 35, 37-38, 113:7-9, 127:3, 139:13-16, Amos 1:13, Matthew 18:1-4, and Matthew 19:13-15 are just a few verses that illustrate the aforementioned children as blessings from God that are valued and loved by him, their Creator, in whose image they were created and that their killing is condemned and causes God’s destructive anger to burn against their murderers and those complicit in those murders.

    Exodus 20:13, Leviticus 18:21 & 20:2-5, Deuteronomy 5:13, 12:30-32, 18:10, 2 Kings 16:3, and Psalm 106:38 illustrate that all child sacrifice is condemned with no exception clauses allowing for the greater good or public exception clauses found anywhere in the sacred scriptures.

    1 Corinthians 6:19-20 and 10:31 remind us that we are to regard our bodies a temples of God’s Holy Spirit and that we are to honor God, our Creator and possessor of our very bodies by not defiling them. Notwithstanding the presence of socially sacrificed human cells and debris in vaccinations, we firmly believe that the presence of neurotoxins, hazardous substances, attenuated viruses, animal cells, foreign DNA, albumin from human blood, carcinogens, and chemical wastes is in strict violation of our imperative to treat our bodies as holy temples of the very Spirit of God.

    Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:10-11, 17:14, Deuteronomy 12:23, Acts 15:20 and 29 informs us that blood represents the life force of human and animal species and that human blood was to be kept pure under all circumstances and free from contaminants such as animal cells, parts, and blood.
    We thank you for respectfully adhering to our first amendment rights guaranteed as citizens of the United States of America by her great Constitution and reinforced on a state level by the fourteenth amendment without prejudice.

    Maternal Parent printed name:____________________________________________________

    Maternal Parent signature:_______________________________________________________

    Date signed:___________________

    Paternal Parent printed name:____________________________________________________

    Paternal Parent signature:_______________________________________________________

    Date signed:___________________

    Notary public witness:

    State of _________________________________, ________________________ County

    I,_________________________________, a Notary Public for said County and State, do hereby certify that ____________________________ and _________________________________personally appeared before me this day and acknowledged the due execution of the foregoing instrument.

    Witness my hand and official seal, this the ______ day of ______________, 20 ____.

    Notary
    Signature:_________________________________________

  • And you are a no conscience existing …LIAR.

  • Really? And you have all the data and all the science, on your side? I don’t think …so. No one has ever said that as well real parental or other caretaker injuries have never existed. The point is that falsely accused vaccine caused injuries to the brain and related to vaccines, is far more prevalent than actual shaking injuries. Do yo enjoy the thought of a 100’s of parents sitting in a prison, falsely accused, and falsely convicted? Obviously if that is what it takes to the deny real vaccine causation, you are all for it. Big pharma already has complete legal immunity from any vaccine injures and vaccine caused death, so why not add this to it, right?

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

    Baby M
    http://www.vacfacts.info/baby-ms-parents-vaccine-death-forensics-report.html

    Proof that Big Pharma Doesn’t Care About Vaccine Harm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/proof-that-big-pharma-doesnrsquot-care-about-vaccine-harm.html

  • JGC

    Yes, actually: I am aware of the scientific evidence that rebuts the assertion that the injuri associated with shaken baby syndrome may be caused by vaccines (I’ve been a scientist for almost forty years now and I have a daughter suffering the consequences of being shaken–you don’t think I’d take the time to educate myself?

    As or the claim that more people have Been falsely convicted of shaking children than have been convicted after actually shaking a child, citations bloody well n ended. Your Vacfact link asserts this is ‘likely’ the case but offer no actual evid nice to support that assertion.

  • JGC

    Good luck with that whole ad hominem thing, Lowell-perhaps it works for you on some juvenile level. That said, can we return to my question? What evidence is that?

  • JGC

    Why not? If they’re being compensated for conducting research why would they be reluctant to accurately and honestly report the results generated? If they’re being paid as expert consultants why would they be reluctant to provide valid information and guidance?

  • Again, evidence for what?

  • And who paid for your known junk science study?

    http://www.vacfacts.info/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

  • JGC

    Multiple studies, funded by various public and private public health agencies. Why do you ask?

  • JGC

    That the risks associated with routine childhood vaccination exceed the risks associated with remaining vulnerable to infection, that vaccines “kill children” with in equivalent or greater numbers than infectious diseases do, etc., such that relative risk argues against prophylactic vaccination.

  • Ron Roy

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trial-sans-error-how-pharma-funded-research-cherry-picks-positive-results/By Ben Goldacre on February 13, 2013

    17 Credit: Ben Goldacre. Published by Faber and Faber, Inc. © 2013 Ben Goldacre

    Excerpt from Bad Pharma: How Drug Companies Mislead Doctors and Harm Patients, by
    Ben Goldacre. Published by Faber and Faber, Inc. © 2013 Ben Goldacre.
    Excerpted with permission from the publisher. All Rights Reserved.

    Before we get going, we need to establish one thing beyond any doubt:
    industry-funded trials are more likely to produce a positive, flattering
    result than independently funded trials. This is our core premise, and
    you’re about to read a very short chapter, because this is one of the
    most well-documented phenomena in the growing field of “research about
    research”. It has also become much easier to study in recent years,
    because the rules on declaring industry funding have become a little
    clearer.

    We can begin with some recent work: in 2010, three researchers from
    Harvard and Toronto found all the trials looking at five major classes
    of drug—antidepressants, ulcer drugs and so on—then measured two key
    features: were they positive, and were they funded by industry? They
    found over five hundred trials in total: 85 per cent of the
    industry-funded studies were positive, but only 50 per cent of the
    government funded trials were. That’s a very significant difference.

    In 2007, researchers looked at every published trial that set out to
    explore the benefit of a statin. These are cholesterol lowering drugs
    which reduce your risk of having a heart attack, they are prescribed in
    very large quantities, and they will loom large in this book. This study
    found 192 trials in total, either comparing one statin against another,
    or comparing a statin against a different kind of treatment. Once the
    researchers controlled for other factors (we’ll delve into what this
    means later), they found that industry-funded trials were twenty times
    more likely to give results favoring the test drug. Again, that’s a very
    big difference.

    We’ll do one more. In 2006, researchers looked into every trial of
    psychiatric drugs in four academic journals over a ten-year period,
    finding 542 trial outcomes in total. Industry sponsors got favorable
    outcomes for their own drug 78 per cent of the time, while independently
    funded trials only gave a positive result in 48 per cent of cases. If
    you were a competing drug put up against the sponsor’s drug in a trial,
    you were in for a pretty rough ride: you would only win a measly 28 per
    cent of the time.

  • JGC

    You’ve shifted your complaint from pharmaceutical companies paying qualified individuals to give promotional talks, conduct research or act as consultants to pharmaceuticals underwriting the costs of clinical drug trials–why the change in focus?

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s kind of awesome that you’re buying into Lowell’s delusion about funders.

  • AutismDadd

    The reactions I’m most concerned about are the allergic reactions. No one should be surprised that injection causes a reaction to all this in the vaccine. When we see weakness, fainting, seizures and anaphylaxis they are signs of the shock the body receives. These idiots and their “just the vaccine working” are unethical and dangerous. There seems to be little investigation into the numerous types of reactions that can and do happen. We do however see the denial by VAERS, NVICP, CDC and vaccine makers all the time. But since its government calling the shots, they can say and do whatever, no matter the carnage. They control the science by lying and it becomes the Official Word on the matter. Then it becomes Medical Consensus, so medical personnel are forced to defend and comply with it. Conspiracy? Hell Ya.

  • AutismDadd

    ( l ) brraaattt

  • AutismDadd

    Yawn. I’m not like you

  • Jonathan Graham

    So in your (completely uneducated and almost entirely uninformed) opinion. Every doctor would tell any lie for even $1? If not, then how much?

  • AutismDadd

    Beats your delusion about vaccine safety

  • Jonathan Graham

    My ideas about vaccine safety are simply a reflection of the objective evidence which is the most likely to be true.

    That said, it’s nice to see you admit that Lowell’s idea that I’m paid to post here is delusional.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Evidence rather suggests that it’s likely you are making things up. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well that’s preferable to your usual deceptive statements. :-)

  • JGC

    Ron, I’m unable to find Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent
    Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases
    indexed in PubMed–are you sure that’s the right title and journal?

  • Ron Roy

    Oh I see how this goes an article in a ” PEER REVIEW JOURNAL” shouldn’t be believed because it’s critical of vaccines but if it was not critical it would be sound science. Classen mere confirmed what has been known for years:

    Old Reports, New Evidence of Vaccine Connection – Doctors
    started making reports in the medical literature as early as 1949 that
    some children injected with pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine (now part
    of the DPT or DTaP shot) were having trouble maintaining normal glucose
    levels in their blood. Lab research has confirmed that pertussis
    vaccine can cause diabetes in mice.

    As diabetes research progressed in the 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s, there
    were observations that viral infections may be a co-factor in causing
    diabetes. The introduction of live virus vaccines, such as live MMR
    vaccine which is made from weakened forms of the live measles, mumps and
    rubella viruses, has raised questions about whether live vaccine virus
    could by a co-factor in causing chronic diseases such as diabetes.

    One virus, the rubella virus, has already been shown to be associated
    with diabetes. Babies infected with the rubella virus in their mother’s
    womb, who are born with congenitally acquired rubella syndrome, often
    develop Type I diabetes. One 1980 study concluded that rubella virus can
    infect pancreatic islet cells and that the infection can severely
    reduce levels of secreted insulin. Another study in the 1980’s
    demonstrated that, after live rubella vaccination, the rubella virus can
    persist in the body of a vaccinated person for many years.

    Like rubella, mumps disease has been strongly associated with the
    development of Type 1 diabetes. Like the rubella virus, the mumps virus
    can infect pancreatic islet cells. And like the live rubella vaccine,
    there are persistent reports in the medical literature that some
    children develop diabetes after receiving live mumps vaccine.

    An accumulation of scientific research today suggests that Type 1
    diabetes is an autoimmune disease. Autoimmunity is created when the
    immune system malfunctions and attacks its own body. Genetic
    predisposition and environmental factors (such as a viral infection) are
    thought to be co-factors in the development of autoimmune disease,
    including diabetes.

    Because a vaccine artificially manipulates the immune system in order
    to make it act as if it has recovered from and is immune to a
    particular disease, some scientists are investigating whether
    vaccination can be a co-factor in the development of autoimmune diseases
    like diabetes. This research is particularly important for individuals
    who may have a genetic predisposition to autoimmunity, such as those
    with a family history of autoimmune disease.

    http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Diabetes/juvenilediabetes.aspx

  • Jonathan Graham

    Oh I see how this goes an article in a ” PEER REVIEW JOURNAL’

    *SIGH* Ron, have you ever actually checked a fact in your life? J. Med Hyp. is not peer reviewed. It’s speculative journal.

    shouldn’t be believed because it’s critical of vaccines

    It shouldn’t be believed out-of-hand because it’s evidence poor.

    Classen mere confirmed what has been known for years:

    If by “known” you mean established by good research then he wouldn’t have needed to publish in J. Med Hyp. On the other hand if you mean “known” as in “People like Ron Roy have pretended they know what they’re talking about.” Then I’m sure you’re right.

    What you’re actually doing Ron is telling us how YOU evaluate evidence. By the outcome. I evaluate evidence by it’s methodology and likelihood of being correct. :-)

  • Ron Roy

    ”Every doctor would tell any lie for even $1?” Again Johnny you lie like a rug. Where did I say that?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ron are you really unable to read?

    When someone gives you a sentence in the form of “Are you saying X, if not then Y” they aren’t stating that you have literally said X or Y.

    Clearly you believe that some amount of money is sufficient for any doc to say “X is true” when X is clearly, totally and unequivocally untrue. Apparently you are struggling to express that value is > $1.

    The question is how much? Would most people really do it for a one-time 3% bonus? 5%? 10%? Seems even 10% is a big risk to take for a few thousand.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Also PMC4705121 : Vaccinations and childhood type 1 diabetes mellitus: a meta-analysis of observational studies

    In total, 23 studies investigating 16 vaccinations met the inclusion criteria. Eleven of these contributed to meta-analyses which included data from between 359 and 11,828 childhood diabetes cases. Overall, there was no evidence to suggest an association between any of the childhood vaccinations investigated and type 1 diabetes mellitus.

  • AutismDadd

    You mean like….nice haircut? Yep made up

  • Jonathan Graham

    Your claim that I’m lying seems to be made up and is supported by your inability to provide a single example but feel free to keep on trying to deflect. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    You may not receive cash, maybe an all expense paid trip to Trollapalooza each year to celebrate being pond scum for Pharma. But actually I’m not making a ruling on Lowell. His heart and conscience are in tack, something I’d question in your case. If you are an actual parent, its numbing to think you have little if any concern for child victims of vaccine injury.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You may not receive cash, maybe an all expense paid trip to Trollapalooza each year to celebrate being pond scum for Pharma.

    So wait. You’re claiming that your psychic powers tell you the actual KIND of compensation? Isn’t that even MORE DELUSIONAL than Lowell? He’s just saying I get compensated – you’re practically claiming that just by my posts you can tell what denomination of bills are being used.

    something I’d question in your case.

    Based on no evidence – you can’t even come up with ONE case of me lying despite thousands of posts and your claim that I’m compulsive. I think the person who needs an “honesty check” is you.

    If you are an actual parent, its numbing to think you have little if any concern for child victims of vaccine injury.

    How much time do you spend conflating issues so you can manufacture some kind of indignation? Or does it just come naturally.

    I have plenty of compassion and concern for people who are injured. You just demand that everyone must also bow down and entertain any ridiculous story someone has about their particular injuries. To me, it’s easy to separate. Guy who lives in bus shelter who clearly has a number of physical problems. Be compassionate. When he claims that it’s because of space aliens? I don’t have to believe him to still be good to him.

  • AutismDadd

    Wow..what a stool sample, get the front end loader Joe

  • Mike Stevens

    OK, how many do they “secretly pay”, Ron?
    Or is that a secret?

  • AutismDadd

    I get that you are a clown. No further proof is necessary

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, you’re just wrong again and you have no counter so you resort to vague assertions. If there was really some problem with my argument I’m sure you could point it out instead of simply pretending that you could by making vague assertions.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again why is something that you claim is so amazingly easy to prove. So hard to produce even one example of. The math says that adds credence to the idea that you are simply wrong. :-)

  • Ron Roy

    You ask the wrong question. It should have been To what extreme would a doctor or scientist lie ( as in falsifying the results of an experiment on drugs or vaccines ) in order to keep his job and or license to practice? Those courageous enough to tell the truth are instantly denigrated by the whole medical establishment. So how many could be bought you ask? Most of them would put this $$$$$$$$ above anything else.

  • Ron Roy

    That article / paper first appeared in the :Journal of Molecular and Genetic Medicine a peer reviewed scientific journal known for rapid dissemination of high-quality research. … See Johnny A PEER REVIEW JOURNAL

  • Ron Roy

    Because they’re guilty of all these things.

  • Ron Roy

    ”just a lot of quotes from people offering totally unsupported assertions that vaccines are harmful.” Quotes from people whose integrity and honesty are far above those who push vaccines. I’ll believe what they say over what any pharm rep has to say.

  • JGC

    I haven’t suggested the article be discounted because it was critical of vaccines, Ron: I’ve instead argued that it should be discounted because of serious methodological design flaws and the analysts failure to address a significant confounder.

    re: pertussis vaccine and diabetes in mice, if you’re going to cut and paste large bodies of text from sources like NVIC, please attribute them. That said, citations needed: the original text on the NVIC website offers none but suggests the source for this claim might again be no one other than Classen.

    I have, on the other hand, found studies indicating that pertussis vaccination may be protective against the development of type 1 diabetes in mice (see for example PMID: 6366724).

  • JGC

    Pharmaceutical companies are ‘guilty’ of underwriting the costs of clinical trials? I’m sorry, but how is doing so something that’s problematic?

  • JGC

    For the record, I’m not nor have I ever been a pharmaceutical rep.
    I feel it needs to be pointed out to you that your irrational bias against vaccines–to the point you’ll believe anything anyone says against their safety and efficacy despite the complete lack of evidence against and the very large body of evidence in support of routine childhood vaccination–is a bug, not a feature.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Journal of Molecular and Genetic Medicine a peer reviewed scientific journal

    Fair enough. My mistake – you really should cite better as myself and others have asked you too

    known for rapid dissemination of high-quality research. … See Johnny A PEER REVIEW JOURNAL

    Sort of. It’s really more of a pay-to-publish journal. Note the following

    Timeline of processing from Submission to Publication is 45 days

    Submission to publication in 45 days Ron?! Do you really think any kind of substantial review can be done in 45 days? If you do, then you don’t know anything about journal publication or any kind of publishing. It could take 45 days just to line up relevant subfield experts.

    If you read the article you would know why it’s not very strong evidence.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You ask the wrong question.

    No I’m asking the right question. You are claiming that some of these payments make it impossible for doctors to tell the truth and unless you’re saying “They got $1 from a pharmaceutical company so everything they say is untrustworthy” then it’s rather important to know the amount of money which produces this effect. As that tells us how likely it is that doctors are telling the truth.

    A question you apparently have no idea on how to answer. Your theory is “ankle deep” Quelle surprise.

  • AutismDadd

    What Math? And why is it always Math with you Sheldon?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Quotes from people whose integrity and honesty are far above those who push vaccines.

    Judged almost entirely based on the fact that they agree with you on something. Is that really how you should be making decisions Ron?

  • AutismDadd

    Joe hurry up with that loader…the stench is becoming unbearable.

  • AutismDadd

    Spell much? Vaccine injury isn’t about vaccine efficacy. I know that must seem terribly complex to someone who can’t spell, but that’s the reality.

  • AutismDadd

    What about type TWO?

  • AutismDadd

    Your what?? MISTAKE? Buh wah ha ha

  • JGC

    “Spell much?”
    All the time. I also often commit typographical errors but I try to clean them up after the fact using the edit function, as I’ve now done above.

    “Vaccine injury isn’t about vaccine efficacy.”
    Where have I argued that it is?

  • JGC

    Lowell, I apologize–I didn’t realize congratulations were in order! I see you’ve finally be awarded your own entry in the Encyclopedia of American Loons (#1757). Long overdue, if you ask me.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yes I make mistakes. I’ve never said otherwise.

  • Jonathan Graham

    As that’s generally adult onset it’s going to be even a weaker causal relationship.

  • Ron Roy

    Of course I quote from people who agree with me don’t you? But I also would never post a quote from someone who I suspected of lying. Those who oppose vaccine are far more believable not just because of their honesty and integrity but because they risk their very livelihoods ( and judging from what has happened recently ) their lives.

  • Ron Roy

    Johnny you’re playing stupid again. You know darn well that most people, including doctors, have a price. Some people will not accept money buy would lie or conceal the truth to protect their jobs.Just the statements from medical people I’ve known has convinced me of that.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Of course I quote from people who agree with me don’t you?

    Not what I said. Read it again. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    You know darn well that most people, including doctors, have a price.

    So what is that price? If you don’t know then how do you know that most of those doctors are being paid enough to affect what they say?

  • AutismDadd

    Oh well, blah blah. Vaccines have been suspected and may have been linked. May have been compensated in some cases by NVICP also.

  • AutismDadd

    You just don’t admit the enormity of your mistakes and slither and weasel your way trying to deny it. Credit for admitting ONE.

  • AutismDadd

    You and others clowns make every attempt to claim vaccine benefits outweigh the adverse effects. That’s an efficacy VS safety argument. Safety alone is being discussed for the most part, and efficacy isn’t part of it, or a substitute for safety.

  • nick quinlan
  • JGC

    If that’s the claim you want addressed it’s easily demonstrated: pick the vaccine and we can discuss the evidence for its efficacy.

  • JGC

    Your link doesn’t speak to the content of my post, nick. Anything substantive to offer?

  • Jonathan Graham

    AutismDadd you’re just wrong about the others – which for some reason you can’t bring up or otherwise demonstrate. Almost like you’re confabulating them…. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    For type TWO diabetes? A disease who’s typical onset is age 40? Please provide links to court documents on this case.

  • Ron Roy

    Find a similar journal that has a better track record than Molecular and Genetic Medicine.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Find a similar journal that has a better track record than Molecular and Genetic Medicine.

    Define “track record” and “similar”.

    It’s impact factor is between 0(LOL!) and 2. I take it you also didn’t read the article and understand why it’s weak?

    It’s amusing that you are championing a rather weak peer review process. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    Where did I say that?

  • AutismDadd

    Nope not wrong. You just thrive on disagreement. That’s why you lurk the forums.

  • AutismDadd

    Flu Vaccines of the past

  • JGC

    Specify a 5 or 10 year period, please

  • AutismDadd

    JG will say Calculator Today

  • AutismDadd

    He’s not playing.

  • AutismDadd

    What a moron. Ron is basically saying careers are involved. In medical careers Medical Consensus is involved. What happens to work or those who propose work that goes against consensus?

  • AutismDadd

    Hey nice TWIST of the facts. And nice deflection.

  • AutismDadd

    Buh Wah Ha Ha comprehension a little suspect?

  • JGC

    In this one instance clearly I misread your post. Did you have a larger point to offer?

  • JGC

    Neither a twist nor a deflection: an admission of and apology for misreading your post.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yawn. I provided a study about type one diabetes. You asked “what about type TWO” and I explained why type two was even less relevant. You responded “vaccines have been suspected and linked”. Unless you decided to change the subject back to type one diabetes without stating it. Then it’s reasonable to infer. If you did change the subject without mentioning it and are talking about type one diabetes then the aforementioned evidence is far stronger than what you have presented.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, I disagree when the evidence is against the position being offered. Which is why I disagree here.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Ron is basically saying careers are involved

    Actually he was saying that these people are getting paid money. There’s no reason to point out a list of people getting money if the money wasn’t important. These people had medical careers even if they weren’t getting money from pharmaceutical companies.

    Medical Consensus is involved.

    The idea that some opinion or group of opinions among medical professionals is going to be more frequent than others?

    Medical Consensus is involved. What happens to work or those who propose work that goes against consensus?

    You haven’t defined your capitalized term. So I don’t know what that is however anyone who has spent time around doctors knows that there’s a pretty wide variety of opinions on things.

  • AutismDadd

    10

  • JGC

    A specific five or ten year period, AD. Pick a decade or should I pick one at random?

  • AutismDadd

    Another load of manure from Mr Buzz Cut.

  • AutismDadd

    Could you clarify that?

  • AutismDadd

    What? Type two onset at 40? Wrong

  • AutismDadd

    No I’m not like you.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Not really. There’s no point in talking about the money being given to doctors if he doesn’t think it’s influencing what they say. If all it takes is having a medical career to keep them from speaking out then it’s a waste to give the money on his list for that purpose.

    I noticed you couldn’t define your term.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Sure. Which specific part?

  • AutismDadd

    First decade flu vacs were made

  • Jonathan Graham

    Type two, typically does.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Except that I’m pretty clear about what I’m referencing. I have little problem explaining or clarifying. You mostly make vague assertions and then can’t support them or make up “I don’t feel like it” excuses. Evidence supporting the idea that you’re confabulation (assuming you’re simply not just lying). :-)

  • AutismDadd

    Yes you are disagreeable. 100%

  • AutismDadd

    NEVER earlier?

  • AutismDadd

    The whole stool sample

  • Jonathan Graham

    Look up “typically” and get back to me. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, I just disagree when the evidence is rather strongly against something. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    Define Medical Consensus? Are your fingers broken? So money given to doctors doesn’t influence them? So pay day needn’t happen? And their license to practice has no meaning after pursuing it for 10 years? And a business relationship with suppliers has no influence? You must live on the planet DUH.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Then it should be easy to choose a specific part for us to talk about…unless this is just a vague assertion. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Define Medical Consensus? Are your fingers broken?

    a) You’ve capitalized it. So this implies that you are using a special definition and b) Since you didn’t know that “talking” can refer to people posting messages to each other on the internet. I suspect that whatever you mean is equally coloured by your biases and deficiencies.

    So money given to doctors doesn’t influence them? So pay day needn’t happen?

    What I said was that if Ron is posting a list of doctors getting paid then clearly he is implying that there is some threshold beyond which you could get doctors to say just about anything you want. The important question is what is that threshold.

    And their license to practice has no meaning after pursuing it for 10 years?

    No but if that’s all that’s required to control someone and get them to say anything you want then you don’t need to pay them. QED.

  • Ron Roy

    But ” medical careers ” are controlled by the pharmaceutical companies beginning to end. Dug companies control medical schools because of the funding they get through grants and donations. So any medical school that would refuse tot ow the drug company line would probably cease to exist.n 2008, AMSA (American Medical Student Association),
    in collaboration
    with The Pew Charitable Trusts, uncovered just how extensively
    pharmaceutical companies influenced medical institutions in the U.S.
    AMSA created a conflict-of-interests scorecard to show just how
    ethically academia was interacting with the pharmaceutical business:

    40 out 150 schools received an “F”, including Harvard, which had no conflict-of-interests policies in place. (Note: Harvard received an “A” on the next survey.)
    Less than 15 percent of medical schools scored an “A” or “B,” insinuating the overwhelming majority of doctors have received a severely skewed education.
    The situation was bad and apparent. Our up-and-coming doctors, even
    at top tier institutions, were set to prescribe and knew what to
    prescribe before we visited them. Professors were in pharma pocketbooks,
    and the prescriptions patients were receiving were tainted, tilted, and
    totally unreliable.

  • Ron Roy

    The whole crux of the matter is the drug industry dictates our heath care. Doctors practice disease care and not healthcare. If they practiced health care the bulk of their studies ( other than those who are in emergency medicine ) would be geared towards what fuels the human body and that Johnny is not chips and diet coke but good nourishing food..

  • Jonathan Graham

    But ” medical careers ”

    Are you saying something isn’t a medical career. Quotes tend to INVERT the meaning of your term.

    are controlled by the pharmaceutical companies beginning to end.

    Assumed your talking about actual medical careers instead of “medical careers” (which I’d use to reference say homopaths and chiropractors). Then a) They’re not managed beginning to end here. If that we’re the case then there’s absolutely no reason to give money to doctors to change their minds. Which is what you claim they are doing.

    The current AMSA scorecard shows67.5% having an A or B. You should have checked your facts.[1] Not to mention that even getting the lowest grade does not mean that “majority of doctors have received a severely skewed education.”. The scorecard is about COI policies. Unless you’re telling me that you can’t act ethically without a COI policy then the assertion here is wrong.

    [1]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4983088/

  • Jonathan Graham

    Doctors practice disease care and not healthcare.

    Part of health care is managing illnesses. However you might be trying to say: “Doctors spend more time and energy mitigating diseases”. Even if true those are the people with the most need.

    The problem with the idea that food is the answer to most if all illness in a modern society is that the evidence says entirely the opposite. There are definitely mistakes people can make in terms of their eating habits which have negative health effects. However in terms of broad disease prevention as Ioannidis’s team demonstrated the effects of food on a disease like cancer are infinitesimal.

  • Ron Roy

    They’re not giving doctors money so they won’t change their minds they’re giving money so doctors will promote more of their poisons oops I mean products. ”The current AMSA scorecard shows67.5% having an A or B. You should have
    checked your facts.” I did a few schools now have courses that teach the importance of nutrition but they still have a long way to go. Still eating those chips and drinking diet coke? Did you doctor advise you as to how bad for your health those are?

  • Ron Roy

    “Doctors spend more time and energy mitigating diseases”.LOL Doctors spend ALL their time prescribing drugs with side effects that lead to more office visits and more prescription drugs etc. etc. In short they spend all their time creating a steady flow of patients. Those that do try and eally help people through nutrition are denigrated by the MEDICAL MAFIA which includes you Johnny.

  • Ron Roy

    Weak only in the eyes of a paid shill. Johnny doesn’t like it when a peer review journal says anything derogatory towards vaccines.

  • JGC

    Give me the years, AD.

  • Jonathan Graham

    They’re not giving doctors money so they won’t change their minds they’re giving money so doctors will promote more of their poisons oops I mean products.

    If their entire career is in the control of the pharmaceutical companies then they don’t need to pay them to do anything. OR you are – as usual making stuff up. :-)

    I did

    Unlikely that you checked your facts since a) You referenced a deceptive article (one that KNEW there were newer rankings but decided deliberately to post old ones) and b) the ranking doesn’t have anything to do with schools teaching nutrition.

    It’s cool that you have again admitted that your evidence is chosen on outcome rather than strength. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Doctors spend ALL their time prescribing drugs

    Nope. I’ve talked to plenty of MD’s this is unlikely to be true. Even if drugs were the only modality for treatment docs spend as much or more time just ordering or doing diagnostics. Ergo you are again making things up.

    Those that do try and eally help people through nutrition

    I’ve yet to meet a doc who doesn’t spend some of their time talking about nutrition.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Weak only in the eyes of a paid shill.

    So you have no clue as to why that article is statistically weak. Right? That’s what you’re saying?

    I notice you can’t define “track record” or “similar” either…and you can’t seem to comment on how that journal is considered predatory and admits to a pretty weak peer review system.

    In short you didn’t comment on anything of substance and just make up more vague assertions. You’re behaving more like what I’d expect a shill to every day Ron. :-)

  • Ron Roy

    ”I’ve yet to meet a doc who doesn’t spend some of their time talking about nutrition.” Didn’t work on you.

  • AutismDadd

    You don’t know the first decade Flu Vacs were used? Then what good will any information you supply be?

  • Jonathan Graham

    My diet is fine Ron. The problem is like a lot of religious folk you love making up rules to follow.

  • AutismDadd

    Blowin a gasket Buzz Cut? Buh Wah Ha Ha

  • AutismDadd

    The part that stinks

  • Jonathan Graham

    So in other words, all you have are vague assertions. I predict the next one to be equally so. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    Nope, generally disagreeable. Must be why you’re here, no friends.

  • Jonathan Graham

    All I’ve done is refute your point and pointed out why you need to define your term “Medical Consensus”. It’s interesting that you can’t. Almost like you have nothing to say on this subject.

  • AutismDadd

    I know you typically talk in circles, exaggerations and nonsense. So once again you pretend type 2 happens only to adults.

  • AutismDadd

    Another yawn fest. You are never pretty clear.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m only disagreeing where incorrect. Sorry.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So once again you pretend type 2 happens only to adults.

    Define “typically” using a dictionary if you’re still struggling with English. :-) Now take that definition and replace it with where I used “typically” in a sentence earlier.

    Let me know what you come up with. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    If I was talking with a person without whatever personality problem you have. I’d mention I’m always happy to clarify but we both know this is just a vague assertion by you. :-)

  • AutismDadd

    Vague describes you. Others can’t respond to you because you make little sense.

  • AutismDadd

    The usual YAWN

  • AutismDadd

    So you admit you are incorrect. Good first step.

  • Jonathan Graham

    ….and one more vague assertion form ADadd. Easy peasy.

  • AutismDadd

    I’ve defined it before. I guess your long term memory is faulty

  • Jonathan Graham

    Again, simply pick up a dictionary and look up “typically”.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, I’m disagreeing with you where you are incorrect. Sorry.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Please point out a post to me where you’ve defined it or just define it again.

  • AutismDadd

    Look for it Sherlock.

  • AutismDadd

    If you disagree that I was incorrect, it makes me correct…thanks…

  • AutismDadd

    Simply implant that dictionary. Sort of a dictionary enema

  • AutismDadd

    Nope just stating the truth

  • Jonathan Graham

    More of your attempts to block the conversation.

  • Jonathan Graham

    No, “where you were incorrect”. Read. Think. Post.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yawn. moving on, typically doesn’t in English mean what you appear to think it means. So you were wrong again.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Already refuted. Sorry.

  • AutismDadd

    You’re both biased and a liar, so you have no credibility/

  • AutismDadd

    I would imagine it has several meanings, not just the one Pharma Minions like.

  • AutismDadd

    Way ahead of you if I’m correct. Read Think post Graham Nonsense.

  • AutismDadd

    I’m teaching you a lesson about researching.

  • AutismDadd

    More SPAM

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s pretty plain. Need me to explain?

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s more that your interpretation is a minority one at best. Tell you what though…find a dictionary which shows “always” as a synonym. I’ll wait.

  • Jonathan Graham

    “where you were incorrect”. Read. Think. Post. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    I already read through a weeks worth of your posts to me. Nothing looks like you are defining that term. So either you didn’t or your definition was not sufficient for me. Either way you should provide it.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Just pointing out that your point has been refuted.

  • AutismDadd

    Hell no. I’d rather walk barefoot over hot coals

  • Jonathan Graham

    Well thanks again for admitting that the person who is attempting to harass people around here is you. I mean you don’t want to have any kind of conversation where you understand my point of view. So that puts some significant evidence in the “Autism Dadd just likes to harass people” column.

  • AutismDadd

    More vague assumption on your part. You disagree with everyone in every forum. How is that a discussion?

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s not an assumption as much as an inference. You’ve clearly stated you’re not interested in me clarifying my position. So that kind of narrows down the purposes you can have here. Likely just to harass folk. Not that hasn’t been clear in your behavior for months. :-)

  • Ron Roy

    I like making up rules to follow? You mean common sense ” rules ” like eliminating foods that are devoid of any nutrition? You know like coke and chips.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Yep you just like making up rules – probably because it makes you feel in control. Instead I simply believe what is better supported by the evidence.

    i) There are a few (relatively speaking) nutrients that our bodies need to extract from food.
    ii) This leads to being able to have too much or too little of these nutrients.
    iii) Outside of these deficiencies and overages there is little impact on disease.

  • JGC

    Tell you what, see PMID: 22032844, a meta-analysis addressing influenza vaccine effectiveness over the period from 1967 (before the CDC recommended routine seasonal flu vaccination) through 2011. The authors were careful to only include studies where the subjects’ flu infection was confirmed by PCR or culturing.

    The study found the overall efficacy of the seasonal flu vaccines during this time to have been 67%: those vaccinated were 1/3rd as likely to contract influenza as those that were not.

  • Ron & Lurkers:

    I want you to imagine for a moment that you have been selected for jury duty and you are sitting in the courtroom listening to the evidence.

    As you watch, the prosecution calls an expert forensic scientist to the stand, and they carefully explain the facts concerning the forensic evidence, all of which point towards the defendant’s guilt. Then, the defendant’s lawyer stands up and shouts, “Objection, this witness has been paid off to lie about my client!”

    There is a moment of shocked silence and after it passes, the judge speaks up. “That is quite a claim. What evidence do you have to support it?” The defendant’s lawyer then responds simply by saying, “only someone who had been bought off would say things like that against my client.”

    Ron, Lurkers, Everyone else:

    Now, what do you think is going to happen next? Is that a reasonable defense that the judge will accept?

    Sources:

    https://thelogicofscience.com/2016/11/07/dont-mistake-an-assumption-for-a-fact/

  • Ron Roy

    ”i) There are a few (relatively speaking) nutrients that our bodies need to extract from food.” Really name them. Citations please.

  • AutismDadd

    Hilarious. Here’s a puzzle for you. Lets say in 2015 I DID NOT get the flu. Lets say we go back in time and I get a flu vac for 2015. Did the Flu Vac have any effect on my NOT getting the flu in 2015?

  • JGC

    I’m sorry, but is that really your idea of a substantive argument?
    Ignoring the time travel argument if you didn’t get the flu vaccine in 2015 but also didn’t get the flu it’s likely that the flu vaccine you didn’t get did contribute to your not getting the flu, via herd immunity reducing the risk you’d be exposed to the disease.

  • AutismDadd

    NOT!

  • AutismDadd

    You get all that from my desire to walk on hot coals?

  • AutismDadd

    Herd immunity…buh wah ha ha. Point is I didn’t get the flu in 2015 or any other year. No flu vac…ever. So why would I be paranoid about flu? Oh yea the small number of immune compromised we are told we must protect through Vaccine Roulette. And when we win at Vaccine Roulette we will have the honor of attending the “No Fault” bullshit court where we will be denied compensation because we have no power against a corrupt government set up.

  • JGC

    I fail to see the humor in herd immunity–could you explain the joke?

    And while you shouldn’t be paranoid about the flu the fact you have’t gotten the flu in any year doesn’t argue that seasonal flu vaccines are neither safe, effective or necessary for the public health: it simply argues that you’ve been reasonably lucky.

  • AutismDadd

    i think we know the history of flu vacs already. Confirmed that they can kill. How does the death of consumers improve public health? Necessary? Uptake is low. I see no bodies in the street. Lucky? No healthy.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Broadly? Water, vitamins, minerals, fats, protein, carbohydrates,

  • Jonathan Graham

    More vague assertions…another bad day?

  • Jonathan Graham

    From your lack of desire to have a meaningful conversation.

  • JGC

    Re: deaths due to vaccines, how does the incidence of vaccine associat d deaths compare to a he is ncidence of deaths due to the diseases they protect against?

    Measles, for example, killed more than 146,000 people in 2013–can you provide evidence that as many or more people died as a result of being vaccinated against measles in the same year?

  • Ron Roy

    You said:”i) There are a few (relatively speaking) nutrients that our bodies
    need to extract from food.” I want to know which nutrients that our bodies don’t need to extract from food? Be specific.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I want to know which nutrients that our bodies don’t need to extract from food?

    a) If it’s a question, phrase it as a question. If it’s a statement, phrase it as a statement but don’t use a question mark.
    b) You’re going to have to make your statement more clear. What is a “nutrient” that doesn’t need to be extracted. Do you mean something we can both bio-synthesize AND utilize from food?
    c) I’m not here to do your homework for you. Read a book.

  • AutismDadd

    Straw Man. Lets focus on VACCINE DEATHS only. Have FLU VACS killed anyone? YES or NO?

  • AutismDadd

    I’ll cry myself to sleep tonight.

  • AutismDadd

    NOPE!

  • Ron Roy

    Your not going to weasel yourself out of this one. YOU SAID”There are a few (relatively speaking) nutrients that our bodies need to extract from food.” And I’m asking what nutrients are those?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I wonder how true that is. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Make sure you’re emphatic, you might just convince yourself.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and I gave you them. If you want a specific level of detail you should specify what that is. As I said before I don’t do your work for you. Your work is to ask a question that can be usefully answered. It’s my job to answer it.

  • AutismDadd

    I have no issue with myself. I’m one of the good ones. I’ve never invented a product that maims and killed babies and implied it was health giving and disease preventive.

  • AutismDadd

    Would you bet your next Shill pay it is? By the way, does you fake wife and children ever ask why you are on here 24/7?

  • Jonathan Graham

    I’m one of the good ones

    Not really.

  • Jonathan Graham

    you are on here 24/7?

    You would have to be exceptionally (and perhaps deliberately) ignorant to believe that I am on here 24/7.

  • JGC

    Not a straw man: relative risk is the critical metric when characterizing the safety of any proposed therapeutic intervention.

  • AutismDadd

    Stick your double talk and stay on topic. Have Flu Vacs killed? Caused paralysis? YES or NO shill.

  • 655321

    Great comedy AD, thanks for literal laugh! Well done.

  • AutismDadd

    Its about all I have for these clowns. They are pathetic people.

  • AutismDadd

    I’m neither. And you are. So Fake Family complain much?

  • 655321

    Don’t know how you do it, day in and day out. One is more ridiculous than the next. This forum sometimes is like an echo chamber in a mental ward.

  • AutismDadd

    Incorrect.

  • Jonathan Graham

    The problem with your assertion is that you believe that I’m on here 24/7 – something which even you can see is untrue. So yeah, that’s deliberate ignorance by definition.

  • AutismDadd

    You are on here whenever I am. Its called evidence

  • Jonathan Graham

    You were the one who set the bar so low, not me.

  • AutismDadd

    Its repetitive and predictable. I don’t waste time debating single minded and narrow minded fools. If they had any intelligence they would have a balanced view, but they don’t. Most run away. Jonathon Graham is a tough nut. He takes shots but won’t go away. But does he know what he’s talking about? Nope, no more than the rest.

  • AutismDadd

    Critical Metric Straw Man then.

  • AutismDadd

    Nope

  • Jonathan Graham

    You are on here whenever I am.

    Something else you would have to be pretty ignorant to believe.

    Its called evidence

    Only seeing me on once in your life is also evidence. It’s just not very good evidence. Even if we believed I was on here whenever you are it’s still a long way off from being on every hour of every day.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You sure did. You claimed that you were one of “the good ones” because you’ve never invented a product that maims and killed babies.

  • Jonathan Graham

    If they had any intelligence they would have a balanced view

    Balanced in what sense? You certainly don’t seem interested in making your view commensurate with the statistical strength of evidence.

  • JGC

    Not a straw man at all: how else do you propose a decision to use or reject a particular public health intervention be made other than by consideration of relative risk? A coin flip? “Mommy intuition”?

  • JGC

    No, there have been no confirmed deaths caused by influenza vaccination.
    As for paralysis, in one year (1976) there was an extremely small risk of Guillian Barr syndrome associated with a single flu vaccine (Pandremix): there appeared to be about 1 excess case of GBS for every 100,000 Pandremix inoculations given. There has been no increased risk of GBS identified in any other year or for any other vaccine formulation.
    And as I’ve said in posts above relative risk is a critical metric: influenza infection itself is associated with between 4 and 7 excess cases of GBS per 100,000 infections, compared to the 1 excess case per 100,000 Pandremix vaccinations.
    Worried about becoming paralyzed this flu season? Get vaccinated, and reduce your risk at least 4 times.

  • AutismDadd

    Nice copy and paste propaganda

  • AutismDadd

    Its based on whatever options they have. They had one, experimental vaccines.

  • AutismDadd

    Yawn. Quit harassing me

  • AutismDadd

    And apparently you were impressed enough to repeat it.

  • AutismDadd

    So we can also stretch the truth and twist the story into saying you deny it because its true.

  • JGC

    What vaccines are you characterizing as ‘experimental’? None of the vaccines on the CDC’s recommended childhood schedule qualify as such.

  • JGC

    Not a copy and paste,AD–and when did ‘fact’ become synonymous with ‘propaganda’?

  • AutismDadd

    Yawn. Whose Facts are they? Real convenient that the “facts” come from Vaccine Promoters.

  • AutismDadd

    Are you wearing a clown suit? ALL vaccines are experimental. You want facts? Fact ONE VAERS Fact TWO NVICP Fact THREE 19 countries have vaccine injury compensation Programs.

  • JGC

    Yes, they are facts. No, they are not from vaccine promoters.

  • AutismDadd

    I notice you don’t say WHO or WHERE. I’d think if you weren’t just being a weasel you’s say who and where.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Impressed that you need to set the bar so low to think yourself good maybe. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Data is pretty clear. You’re on here about as much as I am. Are you saying you’re on here 24/7?

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s not unreasonable to expect someone to respond when you talk about them on a public forum. Not to mention that if anything you are trying to harass me. :-)

  • JGC

    For information re: GBS and Pandremix, begin with https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/guillainbarre.htm and
    PMID: 19025491

    As for death due to flu vaccine, if you have evidence that deaths have occurred because receiving a flu vaccination (note: because of, not after) by all means provide it.

  • JGC

    Everyone’s facts, including yours. While people are entitled to their own opinions, no one is entitled to their own facts.

  • AutismDadd

    Lame, parroting, plopaganda.

  • AutismDadd

    CDC information? Hilarious.

  • AutismDadd

    Kennedy hired pictures at 11:00

  • AutismDadd

    In a random sample, if I post, you reply within minutes, whatever time. Case closed

  • AutismDadd

    Maybe not

  • AutismDadd

    Snicker

  • JGC

    Only if one is a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

  • AutismDadd

    But you think there’s a conspiracy of an Anti-Vaccine Cult don’t you dumb dumb?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Do you want to talk about Kennedy Adadd?

  • Jonathan Graham

    In a random sample,

    Nope. But go ahead and show your work.

    if I post, you reply within minutes, whatever time

    Clearly untrue.

  • Jonathan Graham

    I mean your self-esteem is pretty low, how low is the only question.

  • JGC

    I don’t think there’s a conspiracy of anti vaccine cult: I think that embracing the antivax position is to embrace a conspiracy theory,

  • AutismDadd

    Nice job making double talk and nonsense.

  • AutismDadd

    Question is, why you are insulting my intelligence with your juvenile responses.

  • AutismDadd

    Clearly my experience and conclusion.

  • AutismDadd

    Hired by Trump

  • Jonathan Graham

    Adadd if you don’t think that the way you post here doesn’t allude to some of the social/emotional/etc problems you have. Then that is one of the more entertaining things you’ll say today.

  • Jonathan Graham

    More correctly it’s your confabulation of your actual experience. You actual experiences are easily pulled from the API. They don’t match your story – funny that. :-)

  • Jonathan Graham

    Trump transition team said about the RFK Jr. meeting: “The President-elect enjoyed his discussion with Robert Kennedy Jr. on a range of issues and appreciates his thoughts and ideas. The President-elect is exploring the possibility of forming a commission on Autism, which affects so many families; however no decisions have been made at this time. The President-elect looks forward to continuing the discussion about all aspects of Autism with many groups and individuals.”

    Maybe, maybe not…

  • AutismDadd

    Well I guess you can sleep tonight then.

  • AutismDadd

    Maybe I don’t care.

  • AutismDadd

    Except you are saying it, NOT me.

  • Jonathan Graham

    Why would it make a difference either way? My stake in US politics is small to begin with. If he ends up on some presidential commission then it’s just a waste of money. Which is nothing new when it comes to government. The air force did a study on teleportation.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You don’t care if you’re confabulating? Isn’t that just telling people you were lying? Evidence strongly suggests that this is just your typical arguing pattern. Most of your attempts at communicating involve vague assertions, the more you can hide and obscure your argument the better. However when they are sufficiently clear to be refuted you try to devalue it.

    You’re not exactly someone who’s the picture of mental health here.

  • AutismDadd

    What a clown. Go get a box of tissue

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you’re admitting that the way you post alludes to some of the social/emotional/etc problems you have? Or are you claiming that it doesn’t allude to those things?

  • AutismDadd

    Lets see how it turns out. Its not been done this way before.

  • Jonathan Graham

    So you’re ok with lying to people here?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Poorly is a way things have been done for a long time.

  • AutismDadd

    Says the liar

  • AutismDadd

    Neither, I’m yawning

  • AutismDadd

    And your Medical training is from what University again?

  • Jonathan Graham

    Actually you’re deflecting, which is kind of a point in the “Your posts demonstrate your social/emotional/etc problems” column. Thanks.

  • Jonathan Graham

    You seemed to claim that you didn’t care if you are confabulating. Which again, seems to be the definition of lying. So no medical training for that conclusion. As for the evidence rather strongly saying you have a pattern for arguing – vague assertion, try to hide your position, devalue when you’re shown to be incorrect. That doesn’t require a medical degree either – just counting.

  • AutismDadd

    Woo-hoo

  • AutismDadd

    Excuse me…..yawn factor 10

  • Jonathan Graham

    Glad you agree.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and more deflection.

  • Jonathan Graham

    …and yet you can’t point to any lie I’ve told.

  • NoMoreMrNiceGuy

    Looks like the thread we were chatting on got closed. Maybe we could open a discussion somewhere about alternative medicine?

  • KendraBlair

    Get a life

  • Jonathan Graham

    Hey AutismDadd was the one who didn’t understand what “typically” means.

  • banneduser

    do you acknowledge that vaccines can and do cause harm? if not, youre willfully ignorant, or deliberatly deceptive, if so, then why the hell are you here?

  • Brian

    Your comment indicates you have numbers to back up your assertion… so where is the data? Where are the numbers, FACTS?

  • Jonathan Graham

    It’s kind of hilarious when someone replies to someone they’ve never spoken with dozens of messages deep in on of Autism Dadd’s tantrums.

    do you acknowledge that vaccines can and do cause harm?

    Sure. However exceptionally rare.

    if so, then why the hell are you here?

    In this particular thread I was talking to someone notorious for poor fact checking (Ron Roy) for posting as evidence something which was of poor quality.

  • @disqus_1yIOCerOfc:disqus perhaps a new tactic may further our cause a bit better. We’re never going to convince a skeptic with that type of rhetoric. People hold this issue very close and it’s personal for many, but if it is your mission to induce change, you have to be more diplomatic about it. Ergo see “Del Bigtree, Andy Wakefield, and Kennedy. If you don’t maintain your cool, you’re just going to be views as a crazy antivaccine Dad and everything you try and say will be dismissed. I on your side. I’m a fellow autism Dad, but I’d like to see a conversation not a petty argument. Don’t engage with trolls. Engage with people who are open to hear it.