What, if any, Parallels Are There Between BP’s Gulf Oil Spill and Big Pharma’s Vaccine Research?

Many similarities exist between the British Petroleum oil spill and vaccine research

It’s taken almost two years, but facts are emerging from inter-corporate emails about what BP really knew could happen—and BP withheld—regarding the catastrophic Gulf of Mexico Deepwater Horizon oil spill that tragic day, April 11, 2010.

Radio news reports by Dave Cohen of CBS News New Orleans, plus the AP article “BP emails reveal company veiling spill rate” on WWL.com AM870 and FM105.3 website [1] confirm,

That if the well was not protected by the blow-out preventer [sic] at the drill site crude oil could burst into the Gulf of Mexico at a rate if  [sic] 3.4 millions gallons a day.

If I remember correctly, wasn’t the public told that only a thousand gallons a day were belching out of the rig?  Also, didn’t we find out that there was NO blowout preventor?  And furthermore, court divulged emails suggest that the Coast Guard and BP were engaged in heated discussions about the potentialities of the oil spill.

The above information was released Friday, January 27, 2012, in federal court litigation.

And yet the media spin at the time of the spill seemed almost reassuring.  Was that part of the reason why there was a media and press embargo placed on information gathering at the time with imprisonment and fines up to $10,000 for just trying to take a photograph, if I remember correctly?  So what does all this say almost two years later, and why would I think of correlating it with Big Pharma’s vaccine research?

That’s not all.  Recently more and more dead dolphins have been washing up on Gulf shores with scientists performing necropsies and taking three tissue samples from each dolphin to determine what’s causing dolphins to die at an alarming rate.  In an online article “BP oil commercials cover up environmental distress” (WKMG, Orlando, Florida) there’s a disturbing video about the problem and how scientists apparently are ‘gagged’ from reporting their findings.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/BP-oil-commercials-cover-up-environmental-distress/-/1637132/8565442/-/k7t8krz/-/index.html.

Here’s my answer: Both entities act similarly, probably according to their respective corporate cultures that, apparently and in essence, negatively affect the public safety, health, and welfare.

Even though the oil spill was hidden from view as much as possible along with the corporate emails until the federal court litigation, we may find in hindsight what really transpired after the fact, but the consequences of actions taken, e.g., jillions of gallons of Corexit sprayed and injected into the Gulf to make the oil disperse and hit bottom, along with all the burning of surface oil, and petroleum pollution damage to aquatic life, may never be known.

Now, let me point out parallels in what seems to be going on in the corporate and medical culture of vaccines, which Big Pharma—another corporate megalith—produces with NO apparent safety or efficacy studies that prove vaccines do not cause cancer or other diseases, including neurological anomalies attributed to the neurotoxins in their vaccines.

Healthcare consumers are expected to take Pharma’s word for it that vaccines are safe, while the FDA gives its imprimatur that turns into mandates.

Daily there are tragedies occurring to infants, toddlers, teens, and adults receiving vaccines, which are disregarded as ‘can’t be vaccines; they are safe’ shtick.  The CDC’s VAERS system reports all types of adverse reactions, and confirms over 24,000 adverse effects associated with Gardasil® HPV vaccine alone, since it first appeared in June 2006.  And yet there can be NO federal court litigation either to investigate or press charges for tort damages because of the rather foolishly enacted, interpreted, and administered National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986 (42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to 300aa-34).

Congress ought to revisit and update NCVIA for vaccine damage relief and compensation without input from Big Pharma lobbyists, but with the guidance of legions of constituents and parents whose children have been damaged by vaccines.  What good is Congress, if it’s doing only Big Pharma’s bidding?  Let’s level the playing field, as they say.  Ain’t it about time?

Unlike BP, Big Pharma has stealth-like protection and freedom from legal and financial liabilities from harming anyone with vaccines, all while they keep making more vaccines with more mandates for their use.

Another parallel to the BP issue regards corporate information.  In the case with Big Pharma, we hear time and time again how information is withheld from FDA that could prove negative results for acceptance of new drugs and vaccines. And yet those findings are missing from official filings.  I’d like to see some member of Congress—or even the U.S. Supreme Court—show some righteous indignation and request Pharma to produce all its information regarding vaccine research, which, if I’m not mistaken, is subsidized by U.S. taxpayers through the National Institutes of Health.

Did you know that NIH sends more than $90 million in taxpayer-funded grants to China.  To China, with all its problems with toxic ingredients in products, plus no jobs here in the USA? Shouldn’t we, the taxpayers who pay the bills, know what we’re getting and have our people make it?

Isn’t it about time that Big Pharma is treated the same as other businesses and gets its days in court with as much discovery as it will take to uncover what’s been hidden.  No one should be above the law, I contend.  If BP oil damage can have its day in court, so can Big Pharma’s vaccine damage.

 

Source:

[1] http://www.wwl.com/pages/12120885.php?contentType=4&contentId=9866123 accessed Jan. 28, 2012

 

Photo Credit: Mike Licht

  • Patrons99

    Great post, Catherine!

    Just as pumping millions of gallons of BP’s Corexit and
    artificial life forms into the Gulf may have lacked foresight, so too, does
    global vaccine “madness”. Vaccine epidemics may be not be amenable to control.
    They could easily endanger every living thing on the planet.

    “BP’s Corexit Increases Uptake of Endocrine Disruptors in
    Fish – What Will It Do to People?” by Kirk James Murphy, MD on May 24, 2010.
    Just look at the picture of the dead fish! Is there not an analogy here with
    vaccine epidemics?

    http://firedoglake.com/2010/05/24/bps-corexit-increases-uptake-of-endocrine-disruptors-in-fish-what-will-it-do-to-people/

    Sort of gives one pause when ordering “fish and chips”,
    doesn’t it?

  • Argus

    To answer the question in the headline, there are no parallels, and constructing a comparison of this type is complete fantasy.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

     Is it?

  • Curtis

    It will be business as usual with the current lineup of presidential candidates except Ron Paul!

  • Patrons99

    Instead of allowing (and encouraging?) pharma to develop deadly
    new lab viruses, why doesn’t the government do something to protect the public?

    “Two independent research teams have developed strains of
    avian influenza so potentially deadly that they’ve prompted an unprecedented
    response from the U.S. government. A federal advisory board has asked the
    journals Science and Nature not to publish details of the teams’
    controversial research, so as to hide it from would-be bioterrorists.”

    Do pulmonary macrophages sequester exogenous parenteral
    trivalent aluminum administered in vaccines? Is the aluminum “preparatory” to a
    subsequent “provocative” microbial/endotoxin/LPS challenge by a subsequent
    vaccine? See the description of anaphylaxis and serum sickness from the Nobel
    Prize lecture of 1913 by Charles Richet. See the reports of “foam at mouth” in
    the U.S. CDC VAERS database.

    http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/child-died-of-hypersensitivity-reaction/357116.html

    “The post-mortem report clearly says that ‘blood-stained frothy liquid’ was
    seen coming through the left nostril. Air passages were found to be congested,
    and contained blood stained-froth. The lungs also showed a mottled appearance,
    congestion and petechiae (red spots due to mild haemorrhage).”

    http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1913/richet-lecture.html

    “Shwartzman (5) suggested that the preparatory injection
    produces a state of hypervulnerability in the cells of the skin site, which
    cells subsequently react with toxic factors produced by the interaction of the
    intravenously injected filtrate with the blood serum.”

    http://www.jimmunol.org/content/34/1/75

    “The Vascular Processes in the Shwartzman Phenomenon As
    Observed in Pulmonary Reactions”  by John
    M. Weir, J Immunol 1938 34:75-90.

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    Thank you, Patrons99.  
    Apparently you see the connection, as most thinking persons can and will.

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    Curtis, I think you may be on to something.

  • Anonymous

    Patron,
    The govt. is the problem, they don’t want to protect us they want to manipulate us!!!  We have to take back our sovereignty and just say no to the legislated deluge of vaccines!!!  But be prepared for discrimination from pediatricians, mds, school nurses, parents, teachers…..  I know first hand… My wife and I have said no for the past 15 years with 5 kids.

    This relationship between govt. and vaccine is a co-op…  They both want the same thing, your money.   One gets it on the front side (copay/ins.) the other gets it on the back side (tax).  

  • Carrie Hunt

    It is not a coincidence that some of the most destructive, explosive, evil events against humanity occur on April 20th. Waco? Littleton, Co? Oklahoma City Bombings? ALL happened on April 20th, to name a few. BP didn’t cover it up, the media made it seem like they were. The media owned by the same people who own the oil companies. April 20th when Aries moves to Taurus. And the Gods are being fed by the evil people of this universe in the form of human and environmental destruction. It also happens to be my birthday so I am welcomed almost yearly with horrific news.

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    Carrie,
    The well started leaking BEFORE April 20th, from my information gathering.  That’s the date when they could no longer keep it a secret.  As I understand, there is a bubble-like dome still building up within the Gulf of Mexico floor near that blowout, about which most people are not aware.  What is that all about?  I think more people ought to start doing their own investigating via other ‘news’ sources than those most people rely upon nightly.

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    NotSoFree,
    Oh, if only we could ‘clone’ your thinking about vaccinating children, what a blessing it would be to suffering children everywhere.  Thank you for saving your children from a fate worse than….

  • Anonymous

    I am certainly not in favor of oil pollution, but you have to admit that at least we get something for all the risk and money we spend on oil!!!  We have transportation, this keyboard, pretty much everything in your household is produced from or fastened together with a petroleum product.  This vaccine business is giving us less than nothing.  It costing billions and making us sick and weakening our DNA.  Oil may be making us sick, but at least it’s organic and moves me from point a to point b.  Vaccines are making us worse than sick they are making people fat,sick, weak, ugly, and impotent.

  • Anonymous

    I am certainly not in favor of oil pollution, but you have to admit that at least we get something for all the risk and money we spend on oil!!!  We have transportation, this keyboard, pretty much everything in your household is produced from or fastened together with a petroleum product.  This vaccine business is giving us less than nothing.  It costing billions and making us sick and weakening our DNA.  Oil may be making us sick, but at least it’s organic and moves me from point a to point b.  Vaccines are making us worse than sick they are making people fat,sick, weak, ugly, and impotent.

  • johnfryer

    When there is an oil spill, it is a bit difficult to argue that these things would happen anyway.

    The problem with vaccines is that all the deaths and illnesses are put down as “going to happen anyway.”

    How can SIDS starting at ZERO in the 1960′s rising to 12 000 a year in the 1980′s and falling to 2 000 today not be due to some fault of man?

    Similarly autism in very low numbers until the end of the 1980′s and then however you look it has risen since then. Some stupid act has to be the cause.

    Then there’s AIDS coming up from zero in 1970 or so to recognition in 1981 and through to today where an infectious illness is now a multimillion killer around the world. Some folly of man must be responsible.

    And then there’s VACCINES. Evidently man can make a vaccine in 6 months for dangerous diseases like the cold or flu but for AIDS? ZIP nothing, except some now defunct world expert on vaccines claiming responsibility.

    Going back to killer diseases like TB I seem to remember in the 1950′s being PROTECTED by a VACCINE from this killer illness.

    Where are all the TB vaccines in 2012?

    We can’t supply VACCINES for all but force them on those who don’t want them.

    We refuse to make vaccines that people NEED; like vaccines JUST for measles or just for MUMPS.

    And we add NEUROTOXIN  chemicals based on MERCURY, ALUMINIUM and PHOSPHORUS which are ALL and EVERYONE not needed and often cause more problems than they solve.

    And we still argue over SQUALENE and any oil adjuvants in our vaccines.

    And with most of the Le Roy girls HAVING the gardasil vaccine 3 times and those with two or one shots denied as having it AT ALL, as it doesnt count, we see Big HARMA acting NORMALLY. DENYING, LYING and paying off all that can harm them. Called LOBBYING et al. But then those in power use public money by the billion to prop up a lame business; Making people lame et al.

    In most industry the customer is KING.

    But in the vaccine industry we live in an: 

    ALICE IN TERROR  LAND WORLD.

    Vaccines are not one product but thousands of products of which the customer has not a clue as to what he gets but rest assured they aint SAFE like in my day.

    Human nature is such that if you give someone TOTAL exemption for any harm they will GIVE and TAKE that harm until someone calls their bluff.

    250 000 complaints by DOCTORS about vaccines and less than 1 in a 1 000 where justice is done for the VICTIM and only then after years of battle and an open cheque book to match that of Big HARMA.

    Sadly there is still no light at the end of all this mayhem but just more and more untried vaccines still trying to fight off nature, prophylaxis alongside anaphylaxis

  • johnfryer

    When there is an oil spill, it is a bit difficult to argue that these things would happen anyway.

    The problem with vaccines is that all the deaths and illnesses are put down as “going to happen anyway.”

    How can SIDS starting at ZERO in the 1960′s rising to 12 000 a year in the 1980′s and falling to 2 000 today not be due to some fault of man?

    Similarly autism in very low numbers until the end of the 1980′s and then however you look it has risen since then. Some stupid act has to be the cause.

    Then there’s AIDS coming up from zero in 1970 or so to recognition in 1981 and through to today where an infectious illness is now a multimillion killer around the world. Some folly of man must be responsible.

    And then there’s VACCINES. Evidently man can make a vaccine in 6 months for dangerous diseases like the cold or flu but for AIDS? ZIP nothing, except some now defunct world expert on vaccines claiming responsibility.

    Going back to killer diseases like TB I seem to remember in the 1950′s being PROTECTED by a VACCINE from this killer illness.

    Where are all the TB vaccines in 2012?

    We can’t supply VACCINES for all but force them on those who don’t want them.

    We refuse to make vaccines that people NEED; like vaccines JUST for measles or just for MUMPS.

    And we add NEUROTOXIN  chemicals based on MERCURY, ALUMINIUM and PHOSPHORUS which are ALL and EVERYONE not needed and often cause more problems than they solve.

    And we still argue over SQUALENE and any oil adjuvants in our vaccines.

    And with most of the Le Roy girls HAVING the gardasil vaccine 3 times and those with two or one shots denied as having it AT ALL, as it doesnt count, we see Big HARMA acting NORMALLY. DENYING, LYING and paying off all that can harm them. Called LOBBYING et al. But then those in power use public money by the billion to prop up a lame business; Making people lame et al.

    In most industry the customer is KING.

    But in the vaccine industry we live in an: 

    ALICE IN TERROR  LAND WORLD.

    Vaccines are not one product but thousands of products of which the customer has not a clue as to what he gets but rest assured they aint SAFE like in my day.

    Human nature is such that if you give someone TOTAL exemption for any harm they will GIVE and TAKE that harm until someone calls their bluff.

    250 000 complaints by DOCTORS about vaccines and less than 1 in a 1 000 where justice is done for the VICTIM and only then after years of battle and an open cheque book to match that of Big HARMA.

    Sadly there is still no light at the end of all this mayhem but just more and more untried vaccines still trying to fight off nature, prophylaxis alongside anaphylaxis

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    John Fryer,
    Thank you so much for enhancing my article.  I truly appreciate when readers who are knowledgeable and passionate about issues become vocal.  We NEED more like you.
    Bless you!

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    Another Gulf oil spill no one seems to know of nor care about that’s been going on for over 7 years!  
    http://www.care2.com/causes/secret-oil-spill-has-been-poisoning-the-gulf-for-7-years.html 

  • http://twitter.com/VaccineRisks Vaccine Risks

    Thank you Catherine for seeing things in a wide perspective and for joining dots.

    Corexit was used in enormous quantities to disperse the oil in connection with the tragic oil spill. It is more toxic and less effective than many other dispersants.  It is damaging for the environment, people and wildlife and was banned in the UK over a decade ago.

    http://scienceray.com/biology/ecology/the-dirty-truth-about-bp-gulf-oil-spill-dispersant-nalco-corexit/

    The variety of illnesses caused by Corexit are respiratory, nervous system, liver disorders, kidney disorders, blood disorders, headaches, vomiting, reproductive problems.

    http://theintelhub.com/2010/08/07/the-gulf-coast-corexit-and-bps-clean-up/

    Other illnesses include nausea, vomiting, dizziness, mental confusion and rectal bleeding. Corexit breaks down the lipid membranes of cells. This can affect major organs of the body such as our liver, kidneys and heart.

    “With the large amount of dispersant used in the gulf we could see women having menstrual problems,not to mention many different kinds of birth defects.  We may see more people experiencing anemia, depressed immune systems, kidney and liver cancer and rare forms of leukemia”.

    Many of these illnesses caused by Corexit are also caused by vaccines – which brings Bill Gates to mind.

    Is it possible to join some dots? Maybe it is. Bill Gates has a strong alliance with Monsanto.

    http://current.com/community/93638935_monsanto-investor-bill-gates-says-gmo-crops-needed-to-fight-starvation.htm

    http://current.com/1jeiakc

    Can  dots be joined between  Monsanto and Nalco, the manufacturer of Corexit?
    They certainly can:  
    Monsanto’s Executive Vice President and Nalco’s Director is the same person!

    http://americapsycho.wordpress.com/2010/06/23/monsanto-evp-and-nalco-corexit-director-are-the-same-person/

    In her article Catherine considers possible parallels between BP’s Gulf Oil Spill and Big Pharma’s vaccine research.  
    We can see at least some of the connections:

    BP – Corexit – Nalco – Monsanto – Bill Gates – Big pharma – Vaccines

  • Patrons99

     Well-stated! We are in some serious trouble. I used to think this was just “conspiracy theory”. Not true! There’s nothing theoretical about it.

    With aluminum in the stratosphere, glyphosate and “adventitious presence” of recombinants in the food supply, neurotoxins, abortifacents, and non-human DNA in the vaccines, it’s not unrealistic to think that the human species is at risk of extinction. The dinosaurs went extinct! The moral entrepeneurs may not realize it, but they are gambling with their own survival and that of their heirs. We’re all in this together. Don’t they see that?

    Here’s a recent email, which we are invited to share, titled “Poisoning the world in the name of junk science and profit” from Goodman Green of Brasscheck.

    “The appointment of former Monsanto VP, Michael Taylor, to head the
    FDA is such an extreme disappointment. Taylor is the same person who was Food Safety Czar at the FDA when genetically modified organisms were allowed into the U.S. food supply without undergoing a single test to determine their safety
    or risks. Moreover, Monsanto is culpable in numerous cases of simply
    poisoning the earth and causing entire towns to become sick and die.”

    “I thought a great follow-up to this morning’s video would be a movie that exposes just how much trouble we, AND OUR FOOD SUPPLY, are in. So here it is in full-length, The World According to Monsanto…”

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/9292.html

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    For those who doubt researcher ethics, please read what Dr. William Campbell Douglass II says in his Daily Dose Newsletter Sun., Feb. 5, 2012.
    “ Researchers leave out critical data

    If there’s a snake more slippery than a politician running for office, it’s a medical researcher on the Big Pharma payroll. The difference? When those researchers lie, patients die. 

    Researchers routinely leave out safety data, exaggerate drug benefits, and downplay side effects — and despite all that, their papers breeze through peer review and land in the pages of the world’s most prestigious journals. And then YOU get to read about them on the front page of The New York Times. 

    Well, one of those journals is blowing the whistle on the whole operation. BMJ has published no less than seven new papers exposing the shady world of drug research — and it’s every bit as ugly as what I’ve been telling you. 

    One team of research detectives managed to get hold of the unpublished data from the published trials of nine drugs. Of 41 later meta-analyses that relied on those studies, 38 would have had completely different outcomes if the missing data had been there all along. 

    And if you think the studies that get published are fatally flawed, you should see what DOESN’T get sent to the journals. 

    Researchers deliberately and routinely hide studies that don’t turn out as planned. And believe it or not, there’s almost no penalty for this. Heck, drug companies will REWARD you for it. 

    In all, nearly 80 percent of the studies concluded in 2009 disappeared completely, according to another BMJ study. 

    Even many of the studies YOU pay for never see the light of day: Less than half the research funded by the National Institutes of Health — studies that are often little more than gifts to the drug industry — are published within 30 months, and a third remain unpublished even at the three-year mark, according to BMJ. 

    The editors of BMJ are demanding big-time changes, including disciplinary action against researchers who hide their data.”
    THANK YOU, Dr. Douglass, for bringing this to the forefront.  Vaccine RESEARCH is drug research, and I think vaccines should get BMJ’s big-time changes applied first and foremost! 

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    It seems like you’ve done your homework.  Thank you for sharing what you know and enhancing my article.  I’d like to see everyone start asking questions.  Wouldn’t you?

  • Factchecker

    Yes, Jeffry a complete fantasy. Notice the following without the bizarre additions of “sic” by Catherine when the misspelling was hers.  On the same day that the Deepwater Horizon sank in the Gulf of Mexico, BP officials were warning in an internal email conversation that if the well was not protected by the blow-out preventer at the drill site crude oil could burst into the Gulf of Mexico at a rate of 3.4 million gallons a day. 
    Did you see it? 
    “if the well was not protected by the blow-out preventer”.
    Hmm, despite the fact this statement is completely obvious Catherine still put “Also, didn’t we find out that there was NO blowout preventor?”.
    Sorry Catherine, there was one, it just didn’t work as designed.
    As for the dolphin angle, “The spike in dolphin death actually traces back to a few weeks before the BP Oil Disaster.  That is why some scientists believe a virus unrelated to the BP disaster may be killing the dolphins. ” Did you miss that part or just ignore it since it doesn’t fit into your fantasy?
    Try fact checking first before writing such a useless article next time.

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    Misconduct Pervades UK Research / Financial Times 
    http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/news.php?id=6852#newspost 

    * Dr Iain Stephenson found guilty of vaccine research fraud 

    * Roche’s Tamiflu scandal questions the entire process of systematic reviewMedpage Today / The One Click Group 

    All the above via the courtesy of One Click, Monday, Feb. 6, 2012

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    http://www.care2.com/causes/10-most-horrifying-facts-about-the-gulf-oill-
    spill.html

    http://www.livescience.com/8287-7-strange-sad-facts-gulf-oil-spill.html

    http://bpoil.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/ex-bp-cleanup-worker-speaks-people-are-sick-and-dying-in-the-gulf/

    Final report finds several faults in Gulf oil spill
    By Dan Vergano, USA TODAYUpdated 12/14/2011 5:33 PM
    A mix of shoddy safety practices by the oil industry, a blowout preventer that was never adequately tested, 
     http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-12-14/gulf-oil-spill-bp/51928228/1

    Internet reports at the time of the spill said there was no preventer working, if I remember correctly.  USA TODAY reported, as listed above, that “a blowout preventer that was never adequately tested” apparently was installed. First, when: Before, during, or after the spill?  Second, Is there a parallel then with the vaccine industry, i.e., vaccines not adequately tested, especially for safety and efficacy? Note “a blowout preventer that was never adequately tested” seems to parallel, doesn’t it?
    That vaccines do not cause cancer when we know the 1950s and ’60s polio vaccine had a cancer virus in it that was confirmed by a Congressioal hearing almost 50 years later stating millions of people were injected with the cancer virus. 
    We have only inadequately tested vaccines, in my opinion, that are never proven that they don’t cause other health anomalies, only Big Pharma’s word on that.  Why are infants and children compromised more with various health horrors that did not occur years ago, e.g., childhood cancers, childhood diabetes, autism, ADD, ADHD, etc.?

  • Lowell Hubbs

    It is in your take of it and belief, a complete fantasy Factschecker; the comparisons made and drawn to in this article?  No matter what facts you claim are incorrect about this article itself; the major media did NOT give us the real truth about the oil spill. Likewise in comparison; are you denying that the magnitude of the very real vaccine damage, is covered up? Are you denying that the real truth as to the safety and effectiveness of vaccines, is covered up? How about you and we forget the oil spill and concentrate a bit on vaccines? The only real differance is that the oil spill is over, and we have moved on as is. The mainstream and media denial of the harm from vaccines, persists and continues on a daily basis; which is why it remains a significant issue. The comparisons made here in this article were trully, NOT just some fantasy.

    Do you have a problem with using such examples to get the point across? Why? Is it because such examples throw the power and reality to the switch; with a literal bright neon road sign flashing, stating, “WAKE UP PEOPLE..we have been lied TO and MISLEAD??? Does it not in any way say and conclude that they  the powers that be, have far to much to lose to ever admit the truth???

    And so why do you seem to have a problem with the truth of such a comparison? Maybe it there should and could have been made a comparison to jet liners and/or freight trains crashing and story of that the authorities covered up the reason? What better take on it than a compariosn to the oil spill?

    Whatever it takes as a realistic comparison works just fine, for me. Those in persistent denial will always come up with a reason and excuse to not face the facts; no matter what.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

     How do you know? What are the sources for your opinion?

  • Lowell Hubbs

    Argus, the only fantasy involved here, is in your belief that vaccines are safe and effective; and that they are also responsible for the eradication of disease!
    And then lets add this study done by the American Academy of Pediatrics, as to all the chronic illnesses and disorders in children today; that they claim to not have a clue what has caused it, but to further promote more medical (pharmaceutical) care.

    Alarming New Studies: 50% of U.S. Children Have Chronic Disease/Disorders, 21% Developmentally Disabled
    http://journal.livingfood.us/2011/05/26/alarming-new-studies-50-of-u-s-children-have-chronic-illnesses-21-developmentally-disabled/

    Here is another vaccine comparison I can make.

    Titanic Movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120338/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_(1997_film)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5609Lrpy8VQ
    Vaccines: A Titanic Problem of Denialhttp://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2009/09/30/vaccines-a-titanic-problem-of-denial/

    Doctors denying Vaccine Risks An American Tragedyhttp://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/April-2011/Doctors-Denying-Vaccine-Risks–An-American-Tragedy.aspx

  • Patrons99

     Pharma, the GAVI Alliance, Monsanto, and the Bill and Emily Gates Foundation, are well-ahead of the curve. They control the food supply. They are already doing the immoral ‘heavy lifting” that no one with a conscience could even contemplate.

    “Scientists: ‘Look, One-Third Of The Human Race Has To Die For Civilization To Be Sustainable, So How Do We Want To Do This?” on January 26, 2012

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/scientists-look-onethird-of-the-human-race-has-to,27166/

    “Sources confirmed that if a death solution is not in place by Mar. 31, the U.N., in the interest of preserving the human race, will mobilize its peacekeeping forces and gun down as many people as necessary.”

    Hmmmm. This is tongue in cheek, right?”   :-(

  • Curtbst

    Lowell Hubbs is right on the mark! No elaboration needed!

  • Patrons99

     Could this be one way to achieve an “ideal” size population for the controlling elites? Why not just “prime” our immune systems to explode, i.e., via a generalized Sanarelli-Shwartzman reaction? So you don’t think something like this could happen here?

    “This is not America. None the less, this is what it will look like if we ever let them
    do it, and they WILL try. With school districts in California conducting door-to-door
    surprise vaccinations, and with the American Medical Association advocating compulsory participation in vaccine TRIALS, we are not very far off from seeing this sort of thing on our own highways. Remember the scariest words in the English language?”

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/9324.html

    Goodman Green
    - Brasscheck

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/vaccines/were-from-the-governmentand-were-here-to-help.html

  • Curtis

    Bill Gates and his vaccine agenda!

  • Patrons99

     Could vaccines be “imposter pharmaceuticals”?  :-(

    “Two separate domestic delivery systems have been delineated – one
    involving country-wide reconfigurations of water systems, and the other
    involving imposter pharmaceuticals”.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/dancing-apocalypso-with-microbial.html
    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1620576/pg1

  • Factchecker

    I used the exact same sources that Catherine supplied. This was done since you obviously accepted them when Catherine used them as sources then they must be valid. What isn’t supplied by Catherine is a reference for the assertions that the leak started prior to the 20th and that there WASN’T a blow out device installed.

  • Factchecker

    I used the exact same sources that Catherine supplied. This was done since you obviously accepted them when Catherine used them as sources then they must be valid. What isn’t supplied by Catherine is a reference for the assertions that the leak started prior to the 20th and that there WASN’T a blow out device installed.

  • Factchecker

    I used the exact same sources that Catherine supplied. This was done since you obviously accepted them when Catherine used them as sources then they must be valid. What isn’t supplied by Catherine is a reference for the assertions that the leak started prior to the 20th and that there WASN’T a blow out device installed.

  • Factchecker

    I used the exact same sources that Catherine supplied. This was done since you obviously accepted them when Catherine used them as sources then they must be valid. What isn’t supplied by Catherine is a reference for the assertions that the leak started prior to the 20th and that there WASN’T a blow out device installed.

  • Factchecker

    I used the exact same sources that Catherine supplied. This was done since you obviously accepted them when Catherine used them as sources then they must be valid. What isn’t supplied by Catherine is a reference for the assertions that the leak started prior to the 20th and that there WASN’T a blow out device installed.