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10 Reasons Not To Vaccinate

The decision to vaccinate is yours alone, but it is a decision that should not be taken lightly or done under duress or pressure by others. Once vaccinated, the potential side-effects cannot be easily undone, if at all. These include death, sudden infant death syndrome, auto-immune disorders, inflammatory bowel disease, allergies, asthma, ADHD, autism, Guillian-Barré Syndrome and other neurological damage.

Your physician will most likely NOT connect the development of these unnatural disease states with vaccination, whether they occur immediately after vaccinations, several days or months later. You alone will be responsible for treating your child or yourself for these life-long diseases.

The decision to vaccinate SHOULD include extensive research to determine if it is right for your family.

 

The following are ten reasons not to vaccinate. Additional educational resources follow.

1. Vaccines have never been proven safe or effective. Vaccine studies funded by pharmaceutical companies compare vaccine “side-effects” from one vaccine to another. True, scientific, double-blind placebo studies have never been conducted on vaccines to determine their safety. Effectiveness cannot be determined unless one is then knowingly exposed to the disease entity following vaccination. Only antibody production is measured. See How Pharmaceutical Companies Hide the Dangers of Vaccines from Parents.

2. Vaccines do NOT work. They may create a temporary increase in antibodies for a particular disease, but this does not equate to immunity to disease. Vaccines, with all of their toxins and their unnatural way of introducing disease directly into one’s blood stream, decrease cellular immunity, which is more critical for one’s immune system. Neurologist Russell Blaylock has lectured and written extensively on this subject.

When there are outbreaks of disease, unvaccinated children are often blamed. Whenever the outbreaks are examined more closely, the data show that the majority of those suffering have been vaccinated for the disease.

Disease charts show that diseases were mostly eliminated prior to the creation of vaccinations. What is truly responsible for most communicable disease elimination is clean water and improved sanitation. See the following graphs: Disease Graphs Showing Decline of Childhood Illnesses Prior to Vaccines.

3. The very first vaccine was a disaster. Vaccine safety and effectiveness is a created myth, strongly embedded in Americans’ psyche and reinforced by the health care system.

The history of small pox vaccines demonstrates that the first vaccine resulted in an increase in the disease and created additional serious health consequences including syphilis and deaths. Physician groups met repeatedly to discuss the “vaccine problem” and concluded that as long as vaccines remained profitable, they would be impossible to eliminate, in spite of the evidence against them. Nothing has changed since this time.

The polio vaccine was another one linked to serious health consequences, including cancer and AIDS. Statistics were manipulated to try and prove this vaccine’s effectiveness. With each new vaccine has come new health damage and created illness. See Small Pox Vaccine: Origins of Vaccine Madness.

4. Vaccines are highly profitable for pharmaceutical companies and the health care industry. Strong financial incentives exist to continue this practice, not effectiveness. You cannot trust brochures on vaccines provided by pharmaceutical companies because they are corporations with a profit motive. Their objective is NOT to protect health but to sell vaccines.

5. All vaccines contain a number of toxic poisons and chemicals that are linked to serious neurological damage including aluminum, thimerosal (methyl mercury), antibiotics, monosodium glutamate (MSG) and formaldehyde. Other dangerous substances found in vaccines include antifreeze, lead, cadmium, glycerine, acetone, and yeast proteins.

6. Every study comparing unvaccinated to vaccinated children demonstrates that unvaccinated children enjoy far superior health. Unvaccinated children generally do not suffer from upper respiratory illnesses, ear infections, autism, ADHD, asthma, allergies, auto-immune disorders and other diseases, in comparison to those vaccinated. (See Sally Fallon Morell’s The Nourishing Tradition’s Book of Baby and Child Care, 2013.)

7. Vaccines cause a host of “chronic, incurable, and life threatening diseases,” including autism, asthma, ADHD, auto-immune disorders, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, food allergies and brain damage. [1]

8. The only way to create true life-long immunity to a disease is through natural exposure to the disease in which the body creates true antibodies and immunity on many levels.

9. Vaccines kill infants, children and adults. Strong evidence links vaccines to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). [2] More than one hundred previously healthy young women have died as a result of the HPV vaccine. [3] The flu vaccine has been documented as awarding the most money for serious health injuries, including death. [4] [5]

The long term effects of vaccines are unknown. It is a medical experiment of one’s health for which no one knows the long term health consequences.

US children are given far more vaccines at younger ages compared to other countries. Infant mortality rates for US children are one of the worst in the world, especially compared to countries who vaccinate their children less and who have wisely raised vaccination ages. [6]

10. If you or a loved one suffers from a vaccine injury, pharmaceutical companies and physicians hold no medical liability. In 1986, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was formed, eliminating the ability to directly sue pharmaceutical companies or health care practitioners responsible for vaccine injuries.

Conclusion

You are on your own to try and regain your health in the event that you are vaccine injured. The expense and suffering is yours alone to face. Very few individuals will be awarded money from funds set up by the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. The system is designed for individuals to fail in making their claim of vaccine injury. The public pays for this injury fund in the cost of taxes on vaccinations.

To learn more, read my other in-depth articles on vaccinations which have been published on VacTruth or Natural News, here: Vaccinations

You may also check the resources below. Most important is to remember that vaccinations are a medical intervention and procedure which carries tremendous risks, so it is important to educate yourself first, prior to making the decision to go forward. Weigh the risks and benefits and be an informed consumer of medical care.

 

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  1. www.nvic.org
  2. http://vactruth.com/2012/11/08/brainwashed-police-ignore-vaccine-injuries/
  3. http://sanevax.org/new-death-post-gardasil-updated-vaers-figures-report-that-hpv-vaccines-adverse-reactions-are-50-higher-than-other-age-related-recommended-vaccines/
  4. http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-vaccine-is-the-most-dangerous-vaccine-in-the-united-states-based-on-settled-cases-for-injuries
  5. http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Influenza.aspx
  6. http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/six-reasons-to-say-no-to-vaccination
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Excellent Sources to Learn More:

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Michelle Goldstein is a mental health therapist who is passionate about holistic health and healing. She has published articles for Natural News, VacTruth and Kelly the Kitchen Kop. She can be found at Holistic Health to Go. Her other vaccination articles can be found here: Vaccinations.

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  • dachu3

    #10 just does it for me: create a product without any risk of downside.

  • Paul van Nugteren

    Well written but I’d like such information to be even more objective. You should cite more sources when you talk about them (#6) and #5 Thimerosal is ethylmercury not methylmercury which is a rather huge difference. Also no sources.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    You can do the research on your own. Why do you question someone else’s report and expect them to do research for you. There is so much information on this subject. There’s no excuse for you not being informed.

  • DrKeteDC

    Trolls: If you do not find these reasons compelling and you decide to vaccinate anyway, that’s your right. Please stop creating legislation to force vaccination on those of us who do not want to do it.

  • Brian Bradley

    Uhm… this is clearly terrible journalism at the least, and mis-leading horse crap at the worst. WHERE ARE ALL THE SOURCE ARTICLES?!

  • Sally

    Vaccines don’t CAUSE autism. My daughter is autistic, and she’s never had a vaccine.

  • Free People

    Great article – Thanks VacTRUTH!

    This is why I always tell everybody I know, and even people I run in to (pregnant ladies) – “You can put the vaccines in but you can NEVER take them out!”

    Reject ALL injects!

  • Free People

    “Thimerosal is ethylmercury not methylmercury which is a rather huge difference.” – Really? Yes it is! You trolling or just need to do more research. In any case, here’s some help for you:

    #19. The mercury used in vaccines is ethyl mercury. According to Indian doctors this is an INDUSTRIAL TOXIN and is 1000 times more toxic than the usual methyl mercury. Ethyl mercury is absorbed into the body faster than methyl mercury and converts into inorganic mercury which tends to become a PERMANENT fixture in the brain.

    #20. The aluminum present in vaccines makes the mercury, IN ANY FORM, 100 times more toxic through a process called synergistic toxicity. Aluminum is used in very large doses in vaccines ostensibly to cause an immune reaction. According to a very recent study, “it causes cells to give up their DNA”.

    Source: healthfreedoms dot org. (Health Freedom Alliance) – “50 Reasons to NOT Vaccinate your Child”

  • Mamaof7

    Did she have vitamin K at birth? It’s a child’s first vaccine. Also, mama’s heavy metal load along with ultrasound damage could also be factors, unfortunately. I’m very sorry for your situation. I have older kids with vaccine damage… asthma, anaphylaxis, life-threatening nut allergies.

  • Michele

    There are many variables and causes of autism. Many are not understood. Genetics and environment, including vaccines, play their own part. If a child is susceptible to autism, then allergies and toxins will increase the chances.

  • Etheldreda

    Thank you for the article!

  • djt10

    And just how did you avoid vaccines, since that would be illegal in most states? And if so, why? I live in a state which allowed, or did allow personal exemptions from vaccines and my only child was still forcibly vaccinated against our will on a military base after an injury, and nearly died from a vaccine-caused flesh-eating infection that started within hours, and she’s not the only one. That was in 1986, when everyone involved with vaccine creation and distribution was “excused” from liability, and no doctor who valued his career would EVER report vaccine side effects. Of course vaccines are involved with autism. It was first identified when mass vaccination was initiated, and has increased with the vaccination schedule which grows by the year. It was never just the mercury content. Many aspects of vaccines can cause brain damage and digestive and bowel troubles, the hallmarks of autism. One of the vaccination manufacturers has even listed autism as a potential side effect on it’s package insert. I’ve been involved with serious research starting with the horrifying facts of smallpox vaccine history to the present since my daughter’s infection and I know Jeff to be completely accurate in everything he’s written, which is based on documented historical fact. It’s all available on the web these days if anyone takes the time to look. Not only that, but it’s very probable that vaccinated parents pass on harmful side effects to their offspring. In short, your claim and the fact that you’re here on this site suggests an alternative motive. virtually every site that publishes the facts about vaccines comes under attack. There are those who would protect the revisionist history we’ve all been spoon-fed from childhood at all costs.

  • James

    This is 80 percent outright lies and the rest is unproven.

  • James

    Forgot to mention, how about the various cases throughout the United States where the un-vaccinated population of children got sick with various diseases that are preventable via vaccinations, and the vaccinated ones did not? Your doctor knows the risk, they do Research into all the drugs/vaccines that they give to people. They wouldn’t give your kid a vaccine if they were 100 percent sure of the consequences. You are not a doctor, doctors have years of training and research put into the medical field. But alas, this will be ignored because an article written by an Anti-vax website (and the author probably isn’t a doctor) that gives its own articles as references. Link credible research organizations

  • Erica

    All I can say is please don’t believe everything you read on the internet. Just because there is a webpage quoted in an article does not make the information a well-documented, scientifically-proven fact.
    There has been no research that has proven any cause-effect relation with vaccines and Autism. There have been many studies that have shown that heard-immunity with the flu shot (i.e. the majority of a population being vaccinated), can decrease the number of fatalities from Influenza each year.
    The choice to vaccinate is yours, but please make sure you are actually informed by a credible source.

    -Concerned Registered Nurse

  • Becky

    This is the worst bunch of lies and shit I’ve ever seen… What studies have you looked at?? Cuz ive looked at plenty and they all show your wrong with this article. Vaccines don’t work? So polio magically went away… Yeah sure… They don’t make immunity… Uh yes they do… Once you have certain bcells in your blood stream they don’t go away… Only see need boosters to keep the numbers up. Also can I see your chemistry and biology degree?? Because everything I’m learning and seeing in labs says that you know nothing of how these chemicals or “toxins” work or effect your body. Seriously this is all lies made to share people. The profit you speak of from vaccines… Is actually really low and some doctors loose money giving vaccines. I dare you to go to a hospital and work with children with these diseases and tell me they are no big deal and that vaccines have done nothing. The funny thing about nature is its a batch and doesn’t give two shots about you. That lion. He’ll eat you. The ocean will drown you. That fire will burn you. That disease. May just kill you or more importantly your child your putting at risk. As well as others. We may be strong. But mother nature has way stronger out there. And I will give my child every vaccine to protect them.

  • Free People

    “Genetics”…errm..Nope! Another Big LIE (they have so many) –
    indoctrinated MedMafia so-called ‘doctors’ spread, blaming genetics, YOUR
    ‘defective genes’ for everything under the sun that THEY cause with their deadly
    protocols. Well, the Big LIE has been exposed by the Human Genome Project – Epic
    Failure. Frankenscientists trying for over a decade to discover and prove that
    human DNA can store everything – well, it CANNOT! Hah. Try again.

    It’s a MYTH, just like vaccines are the biggest fraud in history.

    http://www.naturalnews.com /042260_genetics_myths_Human_Genome_Project_morphic_resonance.html

  • Jesus

    Can you post proof of this for all us parents that feel like we ruined our childrens lives. I would pay you to see this. I honestly don’t know what to believe anymore just need proof.

  • Free People

    Video of recent whistleblower Dr. William Thompson of the Centers for
    Disease CONtrol and Proliferation (CDC), on MMR vaccine causing Autism. In his words -“Oh my God, I cannot believe we did what we did. But we did.” – “I have great shame now, when I meet families with kids with autism, because I have been part of the problem.”

    http://www.healthfreedoms.org/vaccine-scandals-and-criminal-cases-increase-in-2014/

    Correlation is causation ONLY when industry funded scientists or medical mafia say it is, and ONLY when it suits their bia$. Only the most naive
    and uninformed among us (fondly referred to as sheeple) continue to believe the party line spouted by pHARMafia/MedicoMafia establishment and their propaganda FLUNKIES pushing skewed and corrupt studies on vaccine$$$$.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    If you don’t like this article go troll another site with views that match yours.

  • Free People

    Looks like big pHARMafia VaxINC is running scared when they have to send a flock of their paid $hills onto this site to dispute the truth about vaccines. But of course, it’s only their lying ‘word’. Becky, Erica (not a nurse, she’s a troll), James, and veteran Vactruth Troll “Sally”. Not one bit of evidence have they posted, just pHARMa lies. Click on their name, won’t open so you can’t see the numerous sites they hit to post lies about how ‘good’ vaccine$$$$$ are.

    Reject all injects!

  • ttgreener

    Have fun watching your children suffer.

  • ttgreener

    It will stop when you idiots stop exposing innocent children to preventable diseases.

  • ttgreener

    http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

    Most vaccines no longer contain Thimerosal

    But its okay, spout your debunked, asinine, radical views all you want. Its not like the doctor who actually released the original vaccines = autism study lost his license for making up false data in the report or anything

  • Free People

    Federal Death Administration (FDA) ? – GUBMINT?? Nope!!!

    I wouldn’t waste one second on their LIES. They are eugenicists.

  • AutismDad

    There are 2 autisms. 1 born with, one vaccine caused.

  • James

    Its a known fact that doctors go under years of training and do research on vaccines. Where are the sources for this article besides itself (the website)? Thats a big no-no in the world of journalism. Thats because no credible sources exist for anti-vax.

    My sources:
    http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/infectious-diseases/articles/2010/03/22/measles-outbreak-triggered-by-unvaccinated-child

    “a 17-year-old girl was infected with measles on a trip to Romania, and when she came home she went to a church picnic attended by about 500 people. Of that group, 35 were unvaccinated. Three people out of 465 vaccinated got measles, while 31 out of the 35 who were unvaccinated contracted the disease, Offit said.”

    and http://www.voicesforvaccines.org/growing-up-unvaccinated/

    And the author isn’t a doctor, they are a mental health therapist.
    Looking at your comments though, you seem like a massive troll. You emphasize parts of words that make an insult. “

  • Joe Stetson

    That not true at all. Keep making shit up.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Tell that to parents who watch their children suffer everyday from vaccine damage.

  • Joe Stetson

    You know vaccines don’t make that much money for the companies, right? Oh , I’m sure that’s a lie too. All of your anecdotal ‘evidence’ is more more reliable then science. Keep following ing the uninformed idiots, idiot. Like a lemming over a cliff.

  • Joe Stetson

    Nope. Ultrasound doesn’t cause damage. No radiation. Sound waves.

  • Joe Stetson

    Might be compelling if they were flat out lies. Seriously. How can you say they do NOT work when there is no more polio or small pox. What is wrong with you people.
    None of you have any idea how the immune system works, but you know more that actually scientist about this. Sure

  • Free People

    “Have fun watching your children suffer” ? How kind of you but Nope! My generation had ALL the innocent childhood diseases and nobody died, went deaf or crippled, or blind, and our immune system is INTACT and all the better for it. We also passed on the natural phenomenon called ‘herd immunity’, which ONLY occurs in the UN-vaccinated (VaxINC stole the term), and can NEVER come from a synthetic, chemically laden Lab CONcoction of POISON, rotting matter, DNA, animal parts, aborted fetal cells, cancer cells, sterilizers, etc.., to our three, now adult healthy children. From them we have ten UN-vaccinated very healthy grandchildren who are never sick like their classmates, friends, etc., who have been assaulted with vaccines. In order to protect them from their vaccinated peers SHEDDING VIRULENT forms of vaccine viruses onto them, our Homeopathic, Holistic practitioner ensures they are protected before the schoolyear starts. Not one of our grandchildren has ever been injected, not even with the also fraudulent, fake so-called ‘vitamin K’ shot. Our doctor is also the NVIC (National Vaccine Information Center) Rep for our state. She knows what she’s doing.

    It’s criminal how VaxINC has robbed all these children of strong immune systems and instead is destroying their immune systems with Lab created CONcoctions that make anyones head spin to look at everything that is contained in these needles of death! Educate before you vaccinate.

  • Free People

    It’s a multi-billion dollar indu$try. They’re protected by government against all lawsuits otherwise they would have been BANKRUPT since the 1980s for the harm and death they’ve caused.

    Common sense alone should dictate to one to beware of ANY product so dangerous that the government says “You can NOT SUE the manufacturer (or jabber) even if it KILLS you or your children”, and in the same breath says, “But you MUST be injected, and you MUST also inject your child from birth onward with this poison because government said so.” Nothing wrong with this picture?

    Wake the flock up!

  • Free People

    “Its a known fact that doctors go under years of training and do research
    on vaccines.” – completely false statement. They’re all indoctrinated. ALL
    medical schools, teaching universities, and government health organizations such
    as the National Institute of Health (NIH), National Cancer Institute, National
    Academy of Science, Vaccine Industry, etc., etc. are ALL under the gubmint
    cartel’s propaganda umbrella. They also get bonuses on every vaccine and
    pHARMa they push. This is no secret.

    “no credible sources exist for anti-vax.” – again, false. Pro-vax is who
    has no credibility. Most of their studies are funded by pHARMaceuticals or
    government agencies and they have an agenda that has nothing to do with sincere
    scientific inquiry. Looking at different cartel sponsored ‘studies’ clearly
    demonstrate that the Big Boys can and will skew a ‘study’ in any direction they
    wish it to go. Scientific honesty among cartel sponsored investigative groups is
    a MYTH.

    Nothing has changed when it comes to
    the politics of Big Medicine. Only the most naive and uninformed among us
    (fondly referred to as sheeple) continue to believe the party line spouted by
    the pHARMaceutical/medical establishment and their propaganda flunkies such as
    The American Cancer Society: “The Cure for Cancer is just around the Corner”;
    “Get a Checkup and Write a Check”; “The Race for The Cure”; “Marathon to
    Beat Breast Cancer”; “No Shave November” to support prostate cancer, etc. It’s
    PURE ROT: nothing but LIES to bilk the trusting and believing public OUT
    OF THEIR MONEY and fend the appearace of doing honest research (and it’s all for
    PROFIT). None of them are looking for a CURE because pHARMa canNOT cure! The
    promoters and planners of these publicity/fund raising events deserve the
    greatest possible condemnation for their DECEIT.

  • guest

    http://health.usnews.com/healt
    -A corporate owned newspaper. Please provide a pubmed or journal article with the information. In the meantime read this:

    -NY Measles outbreak: 26 cases total. 14 adults ad 12 children. Patient Zero is a 22 year old VACCINATED young lady who contracted measles in 2011. MSM articles spins this article the best they can for the critically thinking challenged. They don’t state the vaccination status of the adults but “alternative” sources say they were all vaccinated at least once. The children, 4 were too young to get the MMR, 6 were vaccinated and 2 unvaccinated. What does the MSM do? Focus on the 2 unvaccinated despite the fact that Patient Zero is VACCINATED. Statically that means at least 90% were vaccinated. Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011 *http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/58/9/1205
    -Mumps Outbreak Involved 97% Vaccinated Children: The New England Journal of Medicine has recently released the conclusions to the media manufactured mumps outbreak of 2009 which occurred in New York City, two upstate New York counties, and one New Jersey County. There were a total of 3,502 cases of salivary-gland swelling and other symptoms clinically compatible with mumps of which 1,648 were confirmed with clinical specimens. The results indicate that 97% of the cases tested involved students who have been previously vaccinated against the mumps and even more overwhelming is that 89% had receive two doses of the MMR vaccination which is claimed to provided immunity from the mumps.
    -California Whooping Cough outbreak: 91% fully vaccinated. “Most pediatric cases were vaccinated according to national recommendations, although 9% of those aged 6 months to 18 years were completely unvaccinated against pertussis. High disease rates also were observed in fully vaccinated preadolescents, especially 10-year-olds” Infants that died were not old enough to receive the DPT vaccine. California pertussis epidemic, 2010. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22819634
    -Wales Measles Outbreak 2012-13: May 2nd confirmed cases for Wales was 370. The original numbers reported was: 1,170 notified. That is a percentage rate of over-diagnosis and over-notification of 3774% or just 0.027 of notified cases were actually measles – and it is medical professionals who do the diagnosing and notifying. Kind of knocks your faith in the ability of doctors to diagnose a basic childhood illness. 90-95 per cent of the people who contracted measles were vaccinated.

    Voices for Vaccines is a pharmaceutical funded website. Follow the trail here: http://www.vaccidemic.org/dorit-the-bully-troll-reiss/the-clandestine-money-web/

    I have MD’s in my family and I am told by them and other Drs I have met through them Doctors receive no training in regards to vaccines. They are told the common myth that has been scripted over the decades by the CDC/pharmaceutical industry: Vaccines work, vaccines are safe and effective, vaccines do not cause any harm, vaccine prevent disease. Please provide verifiable information that confirm the amount of training as well as the course information doctors receive on vaccines in medical school.

    Outbreaks in highly, if not completely vaccinated populations have been documented for decades. This article states:
    Although the evidence for vaccination-based herd immunity
    is yet to materialize, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.
    Just a single publication by Poland & Jacobson (1994) reports on 18 different measles outbreaks throughout North America, occurring in school populations with very-high vaccination coverage for measles (71% to 99.8%). In these outbreaks, vaccinated children constituted 30% to 100% of measles cases.

    *Dr Tetyana Obukhanych, author of the book “Vaccine Illusion”
    has studied immunology in some of the world’s most prestigious medical institutions. She earned her PhD in Immunology at the Rockefeller University in New York and did postdoctoral training at Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA. and Stanford University in California.

  • Andrew Gulak

    It is MY choice what does or does not get injected into my children. I am responsible to make those choices until he or she is old enough to make those choices for themselves. There is not a human being on this planet that supersedes my responsibility.

  • Mike

    HAHA WHAT?? Why don’t you people ever cite any sources. Spouting off lies like this makes me think you are a shill for the MASSIVE alternative medicine industry. This sounds like it was written by someone with absolutely no experience with biology or analyzing medical literature.

    Why don’t you educate yourself and read through this: http://www.epa.gov/teach/chem_summ/mercury_org_summary.pdf

    Then analyze some of the 200 cited sources in that article. Instead all you have is some terrible article claiming that these alleged Indian doctors know something that no one else does.

  • guest

    “anti-vax”

    Do you have computer? An I Pad? A laptop? Desktop or Cell phone? Take look at your wardrobe. Do you have any clothes made in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka or any third world country? What kind of car do you own, if you own a car? is it foreign? I’d be willing to bet some of the food you purchase, even produce, come from another country-maybe South America. Oh, some of those vaccines you love so much are probably manufactured in another country-you should check.

    If you’ve answered YES to any of these questions;

    YOU ARE ANTI-AMERICAN. If you’re not an American than you are ANTI-whatever country you are from.

    There are NO anti-vaxxers. Calling people “anti-vax” is a
    distorted construct created for the express purpose of labeling and
    dismissing legitimate concerns.

  • guest

    Please be specific and cite your sources.

  • guest

    “how about the various cases throughout the United States where the
    un-vaccinated population of children got sick with various diseases that
    are preventable via vaccinations”
    *Please cite sources other than corporate owned newspapers.

    They wouldn’t give your kid a vaccine if they were 100 percent sure of the consequences.
    *Please cite your source.

  • vernix

    Wow. What a huge pile of bullshit. You have to be a real fucking idiot to believe any of this crap on this site and not vaccinate your kids. But if you want to kill your kids, by all means, don’t vaccinate. Dumbshits.

  • Free People

    EPA – You’re joking – one of the many corrupt and evil government agencies that need to be ABOLISHED? Don’t waste my time.

  • guest

    Did you have any vaccines? Do you have silver fillings? Studies done with thimerosal and aluminum confirm that heavy metals stay in the body for years and can be passed along to the fetus. Heavy metals cross the placenta. IF you r child is austic and have not been given any vaccines than the cause is not “genetic” as some medical people say, it’s most likely passed along through the Mom.. Seafood, pollution, vaccines from years ago, exposure to thru dental fillings.

    Research supporting Vaccine/Autism Causation:
    http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html

    There Is No Safe Level of Mercury Transferred From Pregnant Women To Their Fetus: http://preventdisease.com/news/12/093012_There-Is-No-Safe-Level-of-Mercury-Transfered-From-Pregnant-Women-To-Their-Fetus.shtml (links to studies in article)

    Are you aware that Aluminum is equally as damaging to the human body and in many vaccines:

    The “aluminum meeting” in Puerto Rico in 2000, National Vaccine Program Office Workshop on Aluminum In Vaccines, Caribe Hilton International Hotel, San Juan, Puerto Rico, May 11th – 12th, 2000,

    -A great deal has been said about mercury in vaccines.
    What most people did not realize was that aluminum, also found in vaccines, was a known gene mutant and it appeared to be – potentially –
    just as dangerous as mercury! When combined, the toxicities of aluminum and mercury, together, were “additive” – in other words the dangers associated with the “combo” of aluminum and mercury were much worse than what you would get from either metal alone. Boyd Haley, metals expert, had testified to this fact during government reform hearings looking into matters of the autism-vaccine connection and metal toxicities. From the aluminum transcripts, clearly, this issue of metal synergies had been raised as a concern.”
    -“Exposure to aluminum in laboratory animals results in the development of neurofibrillary tangles and degeneration of cerebral neurons” [end
    of quote, emphasis added, Zheng, W., Neurotoxicology of the Brain Barrier System: New Implications, Clinical Toxicology: 39 (7), 711-719, 2001].

    -10 LIES ABOUT MERCURY IN VACCINES: http://nbjour.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/10-lies-about-mercury-in-vaccines/

    -Maternal transfer of mercury to the developing embryo/fetus: is there a safe level? http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02772248.2012.724574 Data demonstrated that Hg exposures, particularly during the
    first trimester of pregnancy, at well-established dose/weight ratios
    produced severe damage to humans including death. I

  • guest

    Vaccines are a multi-billion dollar industry

    -Pfizer: pneumococcal 2013: $3.76 billion 2020: $6.08 billion
    -Sanofi: DPT, Hep B, Polio, Tetanus. 2013: $153 billion $2.34 billion.
    -Merck: Gardasil. 2013: $1.83 billion 2020: $2.06 billion
    -Sanofi: Fluzone. 2013: $1.23 billion 2020: $1.82billion
    -GSK: Diphtheria; tetanus; pertussis/whooping cough; hepatitis B; polio. 2013: $1.35 billion 2020: $1.72

    EvaluatePharma predicts combined profits for ALL vaccine makers by 2020 will exceed 360 Billion.

  • Murray Freeburn

    A huge THANK YOU to Vac Truth , your efforts are saving lives !

    Sadly though , the agenda of governments worldwide is HUMAN POPULATION REDUCTION , and their weapons are BIG PHARMA , DE-EDUCATION , POISONING WATER , FOOD AND AIR , and not to forget the abomination of the MEDIA WHORES , those demonic entities spewing endless lies and destroying the human capacity for critical thought !

    Thanks again !

    Warmest regards , Murrray William Freeburn

  • James

    -Would you like to cite your source that isn’t owned by an anti-vaccination company/organization?

    -You really can’t source something like that other then believe me when I say someone I know/my doctor says this. But thats doubtful

  • James

    Could you stop emphasizing certain parts of words? Its a bit ANNOYing.

    Well, I guess you simply proved me wrong by dismissing doctors because they are all funded by the government. Link me to more then 1 credible source that says vaccinations are directly related to autism. Can’t be from this site. Despite what you think, not everything is 100 percent controlled by the pHARMaceutical companies. Independent organizations have done studies aswell, finding the same things. But no, you will only believe it if it is in line with your belief that big companies own everything.

  • James

    But only your sources are legit because they are made by anti-vaccination companies/organizations? Vaccines don’t guarantee immunity, it significantly lowers the chance.

    The majority of the US children get vaccinated, so it only makes sense that more US children who get vaccinated get said disease. (whatever it may be)

    Once vaccines were made for a certain disease, the disease’s spread went down significantly. (In the US) This cannot be due to coincidence

  • James

    You are against vaccines, and thats how I perceive you. As anti-vaccination. If you perceive me as anti-american, thats fine. I wasn’t trying to dismiss anyone, its simply a title that means nothing. If you want ill just say “you guys”

  • James

    I did in other posts

  • James

    Also, http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=31615281&nid=148&title=cdc-90-of-kids-who-died-last-flu-season-didnt-get-vaccine

    Klc is owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).

  • Hex

    a single serving of most kinds of fish will contain more mercury than the entire CDC-approved vaccine schedule combined.

  • Concerned
  • Roxanne

    Absurd comparison. There is a huge difference between
    ingestion and injection the later bypassing the fundamental
    frontier barriers of the immune system, and being processed
    (or not!) in entirely different ways.

  • Roxanne

    Stop exposing children to allergies, SIDS, diabetes, ear and eye problems, asthma, neurological and auto-immune diseases, cancer
    etc., for the sake of “protecting” them from infectious diseases that
    are largely benign and from which the mortality rates plummeted from well BEFORE vaccination thanks to improved sanitation, better nutrition, living conditions etc. **No species is “vaccine deficient”…
    Human beings come with an immune system vastly more complex
    and intelligent than inferior artificial “immunization” which at “best” is temporary and can shift a relatively benign childhood disease to
    an age range such as the teens or adulthood when it actually could
    be much more problematic.

  • Roxanne

    Not true, the multi-dose flu vaccine contains it. Furthermore,
    it is inherent in the processing of the vaccine, and when
    so-called non-thimerosal containing vaccines were actually
    put to the test, thimerosal, indeed, showed up.

  • Roxanne

    You say it’s a “fact” that doctors “research” vaccines…
    Oh really, I wonder how many doctors can list even a fraction of the 10 categories of dozens of potential vaccine ingredients, let alone have a grasp of why they are used…. never mind all the new adjuvants entering the system… I wonder how many doctors have actually read vaccine monographs, and know that UNSCIENTIFIC vaccines are routinely tested against NON-INERT placebos thereby violating the most fundamental tenants of research integrity…. And how many doctors know that vaccines are NOT tested for carcinogenic, mutagenic potential nor impacts on fertility… nor for their long-term potential links to auto-immune disease.
    And how many doctors when they do wake up to the historical deceptions of manipulated stats, bogus vaccine science etc. pay the price for openly criticizing vaccines and not towing the line of a medical system that at the top is corrupt to the core and infested
    with conflict$$$ of interest.

  • Roxanne

    Invariably vaccine apologists (I know I used to be super pro-vax till it took three separate events to awake me from years of blind conditioning and propaganda) play thepolio and smallpox vaccine heroic myths… So here’s just a sampling of the former…

    *** Please note, quotes include those who were PART of the system and not

    “anti-vax”….

    The polio vaccine saviour myth is just that:

    1- Polio was already on the decline prior to the introduction of the vaccine

    2- The definition and diagnosis of Polio was changed after the vaccine thereby skewing stats to favour commercial interests

    3- The link between ‘polio-like paralysis’ and DDT spraying has been suppressed

    4- The devastation caused by both the Salk and Sabin vaccines has been suppressed including SV-40 linked to untold cancers.

    From 1923 to 1953 before the Salk killed virus vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the United States and England had already declined on its own by 47% and 55% respectively.
    ***International Mortality Statistics

    “Official data shows that large scale vaccination has failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection.”
    ***Dr. Albert Sabin, Developer of the Oral Polio vaccine

    “Prior to 1954 any physician who reported paralytic poliomyelitis was doing his patient a service by way of subsidizing the cost of hospitalization… two examinations at least twenty-four hours apart was all that was required… In 1955 the criteria were changed …residual paralysis was determined ten to twenty days after onset of illness and again fifty to seventy days after onset…This change In definition meant that in 1955, we started reporting a new disease… Furthermore, diagnostic procedures have continued to be Re-defined. Cocksackie virus infections and aseptic meningitis have been distinguished from poliomyelitis…Thus simply in the Change of diagnosis criteria, the number of paralytic cases was pre-deterrmined to decrease.”
    ***Dr. Bernard Greenberg, Chairman of the Committee on Evaluation & Standards of The American Policy Health Association during 1950s testifying before Congressional Hearings, 1962

    ***”After vaccination was introduced, cases of aseptic meningitis were reported as a separate disease from polio, but such were counted as polio before the vaccine was introduced. The Ministry of Health admitted that the vaccine status of the individual is a guiding factor in diagnosis…If a person who is vaccinated contracts the disease, the disease is simply recorded under a different name…Those who contracted polio after the first inoculation were placed on the non-inoculated list…It’s obvious that this practice of screening statistics, apparently in order to suppress facts unfavourable to immunization, invalidates most of the evidence brought forward by the supporters of immunization.”
    Maurice Meadow Bayly MRCS, LRCP, ‘The Case Against Vaccination’

    “The U.S.P.H.S. reported that more children who received the Salk vaccine made by Wyeth Labs suffered polio than could normally be expected.” Washington Bureau of the Detroit Free Press, 6/13/55

    “In 1957, a spokesman for the North Carolina Health Department made glowing claims for the efficacy of the Salk vaccine, showing how polio steadily decrease from 1953 to 1957. Hi figures were challenged by Dr. Fred Klenner who pointed out that it wasn’t until 1955 that a single person in the state received a polio vaccine injection. Even then injections were administered on a limited basis because of the number of polio cases resulting from the vaccine. It wasn’t until 1956 that a single person in the state received a polio vaccine Even then injections were administered on a limited basis because of the number of polio cases resulting from the vaccine. It wasn’t until 1956 that polio vaccinations assumed inspired proportion. The 61% drop in polio cases in 1954 was credited to the Salk vaccine when it wasn’t even in the state. By 1957 polio was on the increase.” Dr. Walene James, ‘Immunization: The Reality Behind the Myth’

    “Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institutes of Health during the 1950s were all aware that the Salk vaccine was causing polio. Some frankly stated that it was ‘worthless as a preventative and dangerous to take.’ They refused to vaccinate their own children. Health departments banned the inoculation. The Idaho State Health Director angrily declared ‘I hold Salk vaccine and its manufacturers responsible ‘for a polio outbreak that several killed Idahoans and hospitalized dozens more…” ‘Vaccines: Are They really Safe and Effective’, N. Miller citing ‘The Poisoned needle’ and data taken from government statistics as reported

    “Where compulsory vaccination was practiced as in North Carolina and Tenesse, Bealle’s investigations report a 400% increase in paralytic and non-paralytic polio during 1959 over 1958.”
    William Frederick Koch MD, PhD

    “I got a phone call… This was the health officer of the city of Los Angeles and he said they just got two reports of polio in sime children who had been vaccinated days earlier.”
    James Shannon, then Associate Director, National Institute of Health

    “English authorities have cancelled the Salk vaccine program as too dangerous.” Herbert Ratner MD Editor, Bulletin of Public Health Officials

    “When you inoculate children with a polio vaccine you don’t sleep well for two or three weeks.” Dr. Jonas Salk, Developer of the Killed Virus Polio Vaccine

    “In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, the developer of the killed-virus vaccine testified that the live virus vaccine was “the principal if not the sole” cause of polio in the U.S. since 1961” Washington Post 9/ 24/76

    “According to the CDC, 133 people contracted polio between 1980 and 1994. A total of 125 of those cases or an average of eight per year were caused directly by the oral polio vaccine, which consists of a live but weakened virus, the CDC said.” Associated Press, 1/ 20/97

    “We have heard of localities where the polio incidence rose after DDT spraying.” Rodale Encyclopedia of Common Diseases, 1963

    “It is quite clear that the authorities are keeping certain information secret. They do their best to hide their contributing role concerning the production and misuse of DDT behind a polio-virus and a supposed miracle-vaccine.” Gerhard Buchwald MD, citing ‘Polio: An Illness caused by pesticides?’ by Vlado Petek-Dimner

    “In 1983, via new legislation, DDT was allowed back into the U.S. marketplaces but only in pesticide blends. Within only a few months of this re-entry, a new kind of polio epidemic re-emerged labeled “post-polio”…this correlation is not even a whisper in the mainstream media…Central nervous system diseases continue: acute flaccid paralysis, chronic fatigue syndrome, encephalitis, meningitis, muscular sclerosis.” ‘Environmental Aspects of post Polio Syndrome’
    and there’s all the lives lost to the SV-40 contamination!!!

  • Roxanne

    So Erica, if you are a “concerned registered nurse”, I have to wonder how
    concerned you are when presumably you know colleagues who subject mere newborns whose blood-brain barriers AREN’T EVEN FORMED with a disease strain that primarily afflicts drug users and the sexually active:

    **The Hepatitis B Vaccine and Vision Loss:

    Albitar S, et al. Bilateral retrobulbar optic neuritis with hepatitis B vaccination. Nephrol Dial Transplant. 1997 Oct;12(10):2169-70.

    Achiron LR, et al. Postinfectious hepatitis B optic neuritis. Optom Vis Sci 1994;71:53-6. Arya SC., et al. Ophthalmic complications of vaccines against hepatitis B virus. Int Ophthalmol. 1997;21(3):177-8.

    Baglivo E, et al. Multiple evanescent white dot syndrome after hepatitis B vaccine. Am J Ophthalmol. 1996 Sep;122(3):431-2.

    Berkman N, Benzarti T, Dhaoui R, Mouly P., et al. [Bilateral neuro-papillitis after hepatitis B vaccination] Presse Med. 1996 Sep 28;25(28):1301. French.

    Berkman N. [A case of segmentary unilateral occlusion of the central retinal vein following hepatitis B vaccination]. Presse Med. 1997 Apr 26;26(14):670. French.

    Bourges JL, Pisella PJ, Laurens C, Limon S. [Multifocal placoid epitheliopathy and anti-hepatitis B vaccination] J Fr Ophtalmol. 1998 Nov;21(9):696-700. French.

    Brezin A, et al. Visual loss and eosinophilia after recombinant hepatitis B vaccine. Lancet. 1993 Aug 28;342(8870):563-4.

    Brezin AP, Massin-Korobelnik P, Boudin M, Gaudric A, LeHoang P., et al. Acute posterior multifocal placoid pigment epitheliopathy after hepatitis B vaccine. Arch Ophthalmol. 1995 Mar;113(3):297-300.

    Galli M, Morelli R, Casellato A, et al. Retrobulbar optic neuritis in a patient with acute type B hepatitis. Neurol Sci 1986;72:195-200.

    Granel B, et al. [Occlusion of the central retinal vein after vaccination against viral hepatitis B with recombinant vaccines. 4 cases]. Presse Med. 1997 Feb 1;26(2):62-5. French.

    McKibbin M, et al. Bilateral optic neuritis after hepatitis A. J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry. 1995 Apr;58(4):508.

    Voigt U, Baum U, Behrendt W, Hegemann S, Terborg C, Strobel J. [Neuritis of the optic nerve after vaccinations against hepatitis A, hepatitis B and yellow fever] Klin Monatsbl Augenheilkd. 2001 Oct;218(10):688-90. German.

    **The Hepatitis B Vaccine and Hearing Loss:

    Orlando MP, Masieri S, Pascarella MA, Ciofalo A. Filiaci F, et al, “Sudden hearing loss Consequent to Hepatitis B Vaccination: a case report.” Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences. 1997 Dec 29, 830: 319-321

    Biacabe B, Erminy M, Bonfils P, et al, “A Case of Fluctuant Sensorineural Hearing Loss consequent to Hepatitis B Vaccination: a case report.” Auris Nasus Larynx. 1997 Oct; 24(4): 357-360.

    ***The Hepatitis B Vaccine and Assorted Ailments:

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    Mahassin F. Algayres JP. Valmary J, et al. Acute myelitis after vaccination against hepatitis B. Presse Med 1993 Dec 18;22(40):1997-8.

    Nadler JP. Multiple sclerosis and hepatitis B vaccination. Clin Infect Dis 1993 Nov:17(5):928-9.

    Brezin A. Lautier-Frau M. Hamedani M. Rogeaux O. Hoang PL. Visual loss and eosinophilia after recombinant hepatitis B vaccine. Lancet 1993 Aug 28;342(8870):563-4.

    Trevisian G. Stinco G. Lichen rubber planus following HBV vaccination. Acta Dermato-Venereologica 1993 Feb;73(1):73.

    Castresana-Isla CJ. Herrera-Martinez G. Vega-Molina J. Erythema nodosum and Takayasu’s arteritis after immunization with plasma derived hepatitis B vaccine. J Rheumatol 1993 Aug;20(8):1417-8.

    Allen MB. Cockwell P. Page RL. Pulmonary and cutaneous vasculitis following hepatitis B vaccination. Thorax 1993 May;48(5):580-1.

    Deisenhammer F. Pohl P. Bosch S. Schmidauer C. Acute cerebellar ataxia after immunisation with recombinant hepatitis B vaccine. Acta Neurol Scand 1994 Jun;89(6):462-3.

    Vautier G. Carty JE. Acute sero-positive rheumatoid arthritis occurring after hepatitis vaccination. Br J Rheumatol 1994 Oct;33(10):991.

    Hassan W. Oldham R. Reiter’s syndrome and reactive arthritis in health care workers after vaccination. BMJ 1994 Jul 9;309(6967):94.

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    Kaplanski G. Retornaz F. Durand J. Soubeyrand J. Central nervous system demyelination after vaccination against hepatitis B and HLA haplotype. J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 1995 Jun;58(6):758-9.

    Tartaglino LM. Heiman-Patterson T. Friedman DP. Flanders AE. MR imaging in a case of postvaccination myelitis. AJNR Am J Neuroadiol 1995;16(3):581-2.

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    Aherne P. Collins M. Psoriatic arthropathy. Irish Medical Journal 1995 Mar-Apr;88(2):72.

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    Baglivo E. Safran AB. Borruat FX. Multiple evanescent white dot syndrome after hepatitis B vaccine. Am J Ophthalmol 1996 Sep;122(3):431-2.

    Grezard P. Chefai M. Philipott V. Perrot H. Faisant M. Cutaneous lupus erythematosus and buccal aphthosis after hepatitis B vaccination in a 6-year old child. Ann Dermatol Venereol. 1996;123(10):657-9.

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    Mamoux V. Dumont C. Lupus erthymatosus disseminatus and vaccination against hepatitis B virus. Arch Pediatr. 1994;1:307-309.

    Martinez E. Domingo P. Evan’s syndrome triggered by recombinant hepatitis B vaccine. Clin Infect Dis. 1992;15:1051.

    AADRAC. Australian Adverse Drug Reactions Advisory Committee: Reactions to hepatitis B vaccines. Austr Adv Drug React Bull;1990.

    Nagafuchi S. Tokiyam K. Kashiwagi S. Yayashi S. Imayama S. Niho Y. Eosinophillia after intradermal hepatitis B vaccination. Lancet. 1993;342:998.

  • Dr. W. Lloyd Aycock was described by a biographer at the time of his death in 1951 as a man “who in the course of the past thirty-five years contributed more to our understanding ofpoliomyelitis than any living scientist.” As an acknowledged authority on the epidemiology of poliomyelitis, he investigated milk as being a common source for polio epidemics.

    Finally, Aycock brought attention to the observation poliomyelitis followed tonsillectomies. However, this little “fact” was known even a decade prior to Aycock’s observation.

    References:
    [1] Obituary note; William Lloyd Aycock 1889-1951. New Engl J. Med., 246: 158-59, 1952.
    [2] “Epidemiology,” chapter 7, in Poliomyelitis. International Committee for the Study of Infantile Paralysis, Baltimore, Williams & Wilkins, 1932, pp. 306-47, 452-57.
    [3] A.C. Knapp, E.S. Godfrey, Jr. , and W.L. Aycock: An outbreak of poliomyelitis, apparently milk-borne. J. Amer. med. Ass., 87: 625-39, 1926.
    [4] W.L. Aycock: Milk-borne epidemic of poliomyelitis. Amer. J. Hyg., 7: 791-803, 1927.
    [5] W.L. Aycock and E.H. Luther: The occurrence of poliomyelitis following tonsillectomy. New Engl. J. Med., 200: 164, 1929.
    [6] M. Talmey: Reflections on predisposing factors in infantile paralysis. N.Y. med. J., 104: 202, 1916.

    Also, Albert Sabin reported in his record in the U.S. Army in WWII, milk was suspected as a possible or probably source of (polio) infection. Two other contemporary examples discussing the polio outbreaks are “Viruses in Foods” (2006) by Sagar M. Goyal and “Foodborne Diseases” (1990) by Dean O. Cliver.

    1. A.B. Sabin: “Poliomyelitis,” in Preventive Medicine in World War II, Vol. 5, Communicable Diseases. Medical Dept. U.S. Army, Gov. Printing Office, 1960, pp. 367-400.

    2. “Food was first recognized as a vehicle for the transmission of viruses in 1914 when a raw milk-associated outbreak of poliomyelitis was reported. Additional milk-borne outbreaks were recognized after this time, but with the development of a vaccine for poliovirus, no outbreaks were reported in the developed world after the early 1950s.” (Goyal pp.1)

    3. “Poliomyelitis was the first reported foodborne viral disease, having been transmitted via raw milk as early as 1914. Raw milk predominated as the vehicle among the 10 outbreaks recorded through 1949, the last year in which foodborne poliomyelitis is known to have occurred in the United States or other reporting, developed countries.” (Cliver pp. 283)

  • guest

    You minimize & dismiss the concerns of parents and the parents whose children have been damaged by a vaccine by putting a label on them. A label that the pharmaceutical companies made up to create chaos that benefits them and distracts from the core issue and that is drug safety and you say you’re not being dismissive?

    “its simply a title that means nothing”
    Obviously it means something because you’ve used it more than once. It’s name calling. It’s a troll tactic. You wouldn’t use it unless you thought it could arouse emotions because it was created to do just that.

    I say, name calling is the last refuge of the outargued.

  • guest

    “But only your sources are legit because they are made by anti-vaccination companies/organizations? ”

    Again, the anti vaxx label. My sources are legit because there are studies to support them. if you have studies to support your article please present it. Most newspaper blogs are incorrect and as long as support their bosses agenda, they have no reason to provide correct data. Truthfulness is not the purpose of the media. Media bloggings purpose is to continue to push the fear onto the populace. Bottom line, present the study that confirms this outbreak.

    “Once vaccines were made for a certain disease, the disease’s spread went down significantly. (In the US) This cannot be due to coincidenc.”

    Provide the data that supports this claim. I know for a fact that the data from the WHO and the CDC support the OPPOSITE of what you’re say. Please provide link.

  • guest

    So polio magically went away… Yeah sure…

    Nope, polio is still here. It never went away and was never “cured or eradicated” The WHO can make any disease go away simple by changing the diagnostic criteria which is what was done with Polio in 1958.

    In 1958, the CDC formally adopted the “Best available paralytic poliomyelitis case count” or BAPPCC:
    “Cases must be clinically and epidemiologically compatible with poliomyelitis, must have resulted in paralysis, and must have a residual neurological deficit 60 days after onset of initial symptoms. .. the BAPPCC does not include cases of nonparalytic poliomyelitis, of those in which paralysis is more transient. The original purpose of developing these criteria was to omit cases possibly due to enteroviruses other than polioviruses.”

    People who showed polio like symptoms that previously would have been diagnosed as Polio were now being diagnosed as: Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP), Transverse Myelitis, Viral or Aseptic Meningitis, Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS), Chinese Paralytic Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Epidemic Cholera, Cholera Morbus, Spinal Meningitis, Spinal Apolexy, Inhibitory Palsy, Intermittent Fever, Famine Fever, Worm Fever, Bilious Remittent Fever, Ergotis, ME, Post-Polio Syndrome aka GBS. Coxsackie virus and echo viruses can cause paralytic syndromes that are clinically indistinguishable from paralytic poliomyelitis.
    Polio is more than paralysis or being encased in an iron lung. The question is always asked what happened to the iron lungs? Doesn’t that prove Polio has been eradicated/cured. No, it doesn’t. The iron lungs were replaced by oxygen tents and than respirators. So if one contracts one of the above illness and has breathing difficulties-you’ll likely to be put on a respirator or the little oxygen nose plugs. Today, If you object to taking the polio vaccine and you get polio–it is usually called “polio.” If you have been vaccinated and you get “polio”, it is called meningitis or one of the other names.
    Polio cases rose about 300 to 400% in these 5 places that made the Salk vaccine compulsory by law:
    -North Carolina: 78 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 313 cases in 1959.
    -Connecticut: 45 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 123 cases in 1959.
    -Tennessee: 119 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 386 cases in 1959.
    -Ohio: 17 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 52 cases in 1959.
    -Los Angeles: 89 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 190 cases in 1959.

    By 1960, the Salk vaccine had proven to be so hazardous and ineffective, that the Journal of the American Medical Association (February 25, 1961) carried an article admitting that, “It is now generally recognized that much of the Salk vaccine used in the U.S. has been worthless.”

    Why 60 days? Because the CDC and WHO knew that 98% of Polio case resolved themselves and completely recovered within 60 days. Thousands of people contracted polio but were asymptomatic. Never knew they had it until years later.

    “In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” –Control of influenza and poliomyelitis with killed virus vaccines) sciencemag.com and a very small embedded article in the Washington Post on September 24, 1976.

    The United States Center for Disease Control (CDC) admitted that the vaccine has become the dominant cause of polio in the US today, with 87% of cases between 1973 and 1983 caused by the vaccine. More recently, 1980-1989, every case of polio in the US was caused by the vaccine. Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institute of Health during the 1950’s were well aware that the Salk vaccine was ineffective and deadly. Some frankly stated that it was “worthless as a preventative and dangerous to take”.

  • Les

    Re: #5

    Yeast proteins are highly toxic. why, just yesterday, I put marmite on my toast and had to spend the rest of the day in hospital. This is also why beer, wine and all other alcoholic beverages kill people outright. And it’s also why bread is extremely dangerous and only available with a prescription. Thank god, somebody is finally standing up to Big Yeast and their carb-y ways.

  • sabelmouse

    did you inject the marmite? having said that; some of us do have problems with ingesting yeast.

  • sabelmouse

    google it!

  • sabelmouse

    are there studies that check up on ultrasound effects?

  • Joe Stetson

    I did. That constitutes 1-2% of their annual profits. The amount may look like a large number to you and I, but it’s barley worth it for them. Stop skewing numbers and leaving out information to support your false claims.

  • sabelmouse

    and yet they fight tooth and nail to keep those measly pennies.

  • Joe Stetson

    Yup.
    http://www.ob-ultrasound.net/joewoo3x.html
    I’m sure they are paid shills though.
    Actual sconce doesn’t seem to matter snymore.

  • NoPokies

    Exactly!

  • NoPokies

    It’s because they don’t want to do these studies! They want high vaccination rates! They have no regaurd for life!!

  • Joe Stetson

    Or because because educated people that look at all sides of the argument and can decipher between fear-mongering, anecdotal, paranoid, anti-establishment pseudoscience and randomized, double-blinded controlled, peer-reviewed studies that use the scientific method want the vaccines that work. That’s my guess.
    Just keep denying progress and evolution. I’m sure you don’t believe in that either.

  • Free People

    “ANNOYing” to emphasize certain parts of words like pHARMa for instance. Notice how H A R M is an intrinsic part of the EVIL word pHARMaceutical! I always emphasize it so maybe the people will get it. Get it? I will do as I please and you can just skip my posts or run over to The Daily Beast where their ignorant posts will be more to your liking.

  • Roxanne

    Dead wrong… Vaccine “double blind studies” routinely use
    NON-INERT placebos rendering them bogus and a fundamental violation of the scientific method. Furthermore,
    they do not look for a host of health implications as even
    stated directly in their OWN monographs including carcinogenicity, mutagenic potential etc… Do you actually read these or do you just buy up the gospel of officialdom as I once blindly did?
    You peddle the usual programmed smear tactics against anyone who raises legitimate criticisms of vaccines. You speak about looking at both sides of the issue and then show your ignorance of vaccine trials by boasting of double-blind control studies that are sorely lacking in proper scientific standards and methodology. Short term, “don’t look, don’t find” trials employing fake placebos thereby skewing results are the antithesis to scientific integrity.

  • Free People

    “heard-immunity with the flu shot” ?? I’ve ‘heard’ no such thing and on the contrary, I have ‘heard’ that after six consecutive flu JABS, you’re pretty much GUARANTEED, Alzheimer’s, dementia, Parkinson’s, and it doesn’t work against the flu -.it CAUSES the flu! NO THANKS -you take all of them!

  • oort

    It’s a great eugenics business model.

  • guest

    “There has been no research that has proven any cause-effect relation with vaccines and Autism.”

    Below are dozens of links to studies proving the cause & effect relationship with vaccines & autism. You say there is no research? I say one will not find what one isn’t looking for.

    -Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information June 7-8, 2000 Simpsonwood Retreat Center Norcross, Georgia.
    Complete transcript: http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/2.9.pdf
    In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session — only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including
    GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly “embargoed.” There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.

    *Excluding the media and the public from this meeting was illegal. Vaccine meetings are open to the public and announcements of such meetings are suppose to be publicly announced. It is egregious that vaccine manufacturers would be involved in vaccination policy decisions where they have potential product liability.* Salient quotes from the meeting:
    -Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40-41: “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders.”
    -Dr. Weil, pg. 207 – the man representing the American Academy of
    Pediatrics [the very organization that helped to set guidelines for vaccine policy – the organization said to be “dedicated to the health of all children”]: “The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant. The positive relationships are those that one might expect from the Faroe Islands studies. They are also related to those data we do have on experimental animal data and similar to the neurodevelopmental tox data on other substances, so that I think you can’t accept that this is out of the ordinary. It isn’t out of the ordinary.”
    -Dr. Weil, pg. 208: “The rise in the frequency of neurobehavioral disorders whether it is ascertainment or real, is not too bad. It is much too graphic. We don’t see that kind of genetic change in 30 years.”

    -“No Evidence of Any Link”: http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html
    -Peer reviewed vaccine research: http://therefurbishedrogue.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-list-of-peer-reviewed-vaccine-research/
    -Thimerosal Exposure and the Role of Sulfation Chemistry and Thiol Availability in Autism. Int. J. Environ. Res. Public Health 2013, 10, 3771-3800: Kern, J.K.; Haley, B.E.; Geier, D.A.; Sykes, L.K.; King, P.G.; Geier, M.R.
    -B-Lymphocytes from a Population of Children with Autism Spectrum
    Disorder and Their Unaffected Siblings Exhibit Hypersensitivity to
    Thimerosal, published in the Journal of Toxicology: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/
    -Thimerosal Papers. Papers Showing a Connection Between Thimerosal Exposure and Neurological Harm: http://www.ashotoftruth.org/thimerosal-papers

    ****It is an open admission of scientific fraud at the CDC, and the
    admission of this by Dr. William Thompson, a seated CDC researcher.

    My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since
    1998. I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant
    information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics.
    The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism.
    Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data
    were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not
    followed. Confession at: http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/.

    How Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Damage – Uni. of Calgary:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8

  • someonewithabrain!

    Omg so wrong. This site is a crime against humanity. Period.

  • guest

    Please provide me with documentation that the following are either anti-vaccination company/organization:
    -http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/58/9/1205
    -http://www.vaccidemic.org/dorit-the-bully-troll-reiss/the-clandestine-money-web/ (a website that traced the financial origins of voices for vaccines, a shot of truth and every child by two.
    -Pubmed: PubMed comprises more than 24 million citations for biomedical literature from MEDLINE, life science journals,
    and online books. Citations may include links to full-text content from PubMed Central and publisher web sites.

  • Matt Cash

    And your choices will potentially kill a cancer patient or someone with a compromised immune system. Congrats on that

  • Matt Cash

    So… Much… Wrong…

    My head hurts from reading this much ignorance.

  • Matt Cash

    You see, it’s so much easier to use BIG SCARY NUMBERS to prove a point than it is to use facts.

  • Matt Cash

    Wow. Please continue to educate us on how many autisms there are.

  • Free People

    Nope! “choices will potentially kill a cancer patient”..who was probably INFECTED with the cancer cells via VACCINATION and those who choose to go under the cut, poison, burn Cancer INC eugenics tool, will most certainly die anyway.

    “or someone with a compromised immune system”…CAUSED by vaccines made to destroy the immune system and actually kill.This is why VAXINC demanded government legal protection! Who is stupid enough to INJECT a product protected by this government.

    DO NOT TAKE ANY VACCINATIONS. This is the standard deceptive way you are given the Establishment’s Biological Warfare INFECTIONS.”
    … Dr. William D. Kelley

  • Free People

    “peer-reviewed studies that use the scientific method” are akin to two pro$titute$ admiring each other. That’s all.

  • guest

    The flu took the lives of more than 100 children in the U.S. last flu season, and most of those kids didn’t get a flu shot.
    -Please provide CDC documentation that this even occurred. Something other than a news blog report.

    The flu kills up to approximately 36,000 people each year,
    -The Flu doesn’t kill. Please provide scientific documentation that confirms that the FLU kills. If you read any reporting on the death of a child from an upper respiratory illness the wording is very specific. When a child is identified in a news report the wording is “FLU RELATED”. Meaning, the child had an upper respiratory illness in addition to an underlying condition of a compromised immune system. Without a death certificate it can’t be know what a person died of. Without lab confirmation it can’t be known what a person died of. The CDC, if it were not a government agency would fall under the RICO statue. They lie with impunity.

    The CDC combines pneumonia and Influenza deaths together to hike up the numbers. In the last few years people have insisted that the two categories be separated as: confirmed by lab test Flu deaths and confirmed by lab test Pneumonia. Below are the numbers that are unconfirmed with the exceptions where it states confirmed.

    -2000:1765
    -2001: 257
    -2002: 727
    -2003: 1792
    -2004: 1100
    -2005: 1,812
    -2006: 849
    -2007: 411
    -2008: 16
    -2009: 48 total but 28 unconfirmed as Flu
    -2010: 500 or 494 but only 16 confirmed as Flu (2 pages
    given)
    -2011: there are no numbers for 2011 for Influenza.
    -2012: 18 confirmed Influenza deaths.
    -2013: Not available.

    The final CDC reporting of deaths in the US on the NVSR is finalized 2-3 years after the initial reports are made. So numbers for 2011, 2012 and 2013 are not available. That’s just how the CDC rolls.

    “The flu took the lives of more than 100 children in the U.S. last flu season, and most of those kids didn’t get a flu shot.”

    The 100 children and 36,000 people died from the Flu last year is taken from a computer program:
    – Flu deaths reality check Credibility of flu models disputed:
    http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/health/story/1.1127442
    -Don’t Believe Everything You Read About Flu
    Deaths: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/death-by-influenza_b_4661442.html.

    I guess someone didn’t get the memo because last year the CDC changed that number because they couldn’t justify it to the populace.

    The CDC says 200,000 Americans are hospitalized with the flu each year. But they also say they don’t actually know the number of adults who contract the flu or died from the flu because they told states in 2009 to stop counting Flu cases. Rather difficult to say how many people contracted the Flu or died from the Flu when hospitals don’t keep records. The head of the CDC Dr. Thomas Friedman didn’t even know what his people were doing when he was told by Sharyl Attkisson that hospitals were no longer counting flu cases at a news briefing.
    Swine Flu Cases Overestimated? http://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/.

    Annual flu statistics
    The CDC reports an estimated average of 23,607 annual flu-related deaths. They explain that these numbers are
    estimated because mandatory reporting of flu victims is limited to children under the age of 17. They state that they do not know the exact number of flu deaths (or cases of flu) due to the following reasons:
    *States are not required to report flu deaths in adults (18 years and older).
    *Influenza is rarely listed on the death certificate as a cause of death when patients die of flu-related illnesses (such as pneumonia).
    *Many flu-related deaths occur weeks after the initial flu infection due to a secondary infection or complications of an existing chronic condition.
    *Most of the people who die from flu-related complications are never tested for influenza and if they were, the virus would not show up in tests weeks after the infection started (tests must be administered within a week of onset). Tests may show that they have antibodies to the flu, but that would not necessarily mean that the antibodies are from the current infection; they may be from a previous infection.
    *False negative test results are common.

    How the CDC estimates flu cases.
    The CDC derives their annual number based on the number of adults whose death certificates cite the
    following causes of death: pneumonia and influenza (P&I) and respiratory and circulatory (R&I) causes.

    They state:
    CDC uses underlying R&C deaths (which include P&I deaths) as the primary outcome in its mortality modeling because R&C deaths provide an estimate of deaths that include secondary respiratory or cardiac complications that follow influenza. R&C causes of death are more sensitive than underlying P&I deaths and more specific than deaths from all causes.

    Granted,the CDC uses a sophisticated computer software program and all available data to project numbers, but the official count of influenza is further muddied by lumping influenza and pneumonia together when ranking the 15 top causes of death in the U.S. For 2011, influenza and
    pneumonia together ranked at number 8 with 53,667 deaths. There is no list for influenza alone. And yet, the statistics lead one to believe influenza is the leading contagion causing death in this country.
    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/

  • James

    What would you prefer I call you? I’ll just say you guys for now on if you prefer, unless someone refers to them self as an anti-vaxxer

  • guest

    The trolls are heeeereeeee!!!!!

  • guest

    No one ask you to stop by. Except your handler that is. You and someonewithoutabrain have earned your pay now please go away.

  • Free People

    The best of the bunch. CDC (Centers for Disease CREATION and Proliferation) has FDA, EPA, USDA beat with vaccine$. Most definitely.!

  • James

    I think people get it the first time you said it

  • Free People

    Stop reading the troll comments then – of course they post ignorance, I agree.

  • guest

    Funny you should say “kill a cancer patient or someone with a compromised immune system”. My brother had colon rectal cancer two years ago. Was taking chemo and radiation. Flu season came around. His two daughters are nurses who were mandated by the hospitals they worked in to take the Flu shot so they did, Not only did they take the shot, they had their kids take the shot and their Mom. They were all living in the same house with their Dad, my brother who was going through chemo at the time. The five in the house who took the flu jab-all came down with bad cases of the Flu within a week and that keep them home for a couple of days. My brother, nothing. Not a sniffle not a sneeze, not a cough. He was their caretaker until the whole episode passed. It took about 3 weeks. They have swore off the Flu jab. Never again. My nieces now wear masks with happy faces on them and it a patient asks why, they tell them their story. Oh, my brother was taking large doses of Vitamin D3, Vitamin B12, C, Omegas, magnesium, selenium and hemp oil.

  • AutismDad

    He must need a rest from the organ grinder’s music

  • guest

    You may call me “guest”.

  • AutismDad

    The cancer like leukemia linked to MMR or the compromised immune systems CAUSED by vaccines?

  • Free People

    “Oh, my brother was taking large doses of Vitamin D3, Vitamin B12, C, Omegas, magnesium, selenium and hemp oil.” – This is what saved him from the chemo and the flu.

    Plants cure – drugs KILL (vaccines are a drug).

  • AutismDad

    Exactly. Anyone suggesting vaccines are not without fault are immediately label mentally unstable. Called nuts, called greedy, looking for $$$, conspiracy nuts, bad parents, complainers with nothing else to do etc.

  • AutismDad

    Call me a vaccine critic, a vaccine victim, and the father of a vaccine victim.

  • AutismDad

    Yea you sound REAL knowledgable….NOT. A blah blah artist.

  • AutismDad

    Prove it. Where are you links?? Another blah blah pro-vac

  • AutismDad

    I’ve watch my son have seizures and be unable to talk. Does that make you happy SATAN?

  • AutismDad

    Hey Dopey I just did. Comprehension not your strong point?

  • AutismDad

    Try researching Mr Magoo

  • AutismDad

    So are you a rodeo clown or just a regular one?

  • Andrew Gulak

    That’s called natural selection. In my silly lil world, everything happens for a reason. I choose not to inject chemicals that people from suspect sources tell me are safe. But by all means, I think you and everyone you have say over should get as many vaccinations as you can!

  • jlm927

    Michelle: Do you know of any ongoing studies that compare vaccinated and unvaccinated children? I would like to contribute to one although I can’t find one that is still going on. I have three children: The oldest was fully vaccinated and has autism, multiple food allergies, chronic digestive issues, and constant colds. The second child was also fully vaccinated and has multiple food allergies, hives, and chronic severe digestive disorders. The third child received no shots, no antibiotics, and is completely healthy at age 12—she has none of the conditions her brother and sister suffer from. When I finally found a pediatrician who would even see us without forcing vaccinations, he said that as long as I nursed her, she would receive the same antibodies that shots provided, without the chemicals and side effects. I nursed her for five years. I nursed my oldest for three years, and my middle one for almost three years, but they are still damaged in their twenties. People can call me nuts and accuse me of threatening the public health, but my fully vaccinated older children are a greater burden to public health because of their multiple ailments, whereas my youngest never has to see a doctor (and they won’t see us either, so it’s a win-win situation). But I would like to be part of a study if you know of any.

  • Andrew Gulak

    Know what’s funny about this complete horseshit post? Every time my kids doc thinks he’s going to jab my son, I ask him questions about info contained in the insert. Nice to be able to call that info up right in his office. And it’s the damndest thing! He can never tell me SHIT about anything he wants to put into my kid. They take their orders as to what to stick in who from big pharma. If you don’t accept that, one of two things is true: You’re stumping for them, or you’re irretrievably stupid. You’re a complete liability and a douche either way.

  • Roxanne

    The real crime against humanity are vaccines that decimate human health
    and cause untold suffering via death and illness…. If having a body free of
    injected foreign DNA, carcinogens, neurotoxins etc., is a “crime against
    humanity”, please explain why the vaccine-free (which is the NORMAL
    state of humanity instead of a backward, unscientific modality) give indications of being much healthier than their unvaccinated counterparts….

  • Roxanne

    Your observations are echoed over and over again by parents who experience a vaccine injured child, wake up the hard way, and then go on to see a significant difference health-wise in their vaccine-free offspring.
    Of course, such stark observations are routinely written off
    as “anecdotal” as the mindless pre- programmed propaganda response of vaccine apologists, never mind the body doesn’t lie and that “the proof is in the pudding”….
    Is it any wonder that vaccine officialdom repeatedly resist
    calls for transparent, independent studies comparing the vaccinated versus
    the vaccine-free. If vaccines are such a wonder to child health (look how
    sickly today’s kids are!) why are they so afraid to compare SIDS, diabetes, asthma, neurological disorder etc. rates between the vaccinated and vaccine-free???

  • guest

    So we’re using the old mercury in fish analogy? What happened to the tuna fish sandwich analogy? Comparing a food, which is subjected to the digestive and excretion system and a drug that’s injected into the body and has direct access to the bloodstream, brain liver, kidneys, spleen, muscles, bones….is a disingenuous comparison.

    Ingesting mercury from foods like tuna fish or fish is nothing like injecting it directly into the body. The body’s digestive/assimilation system has defensive mechanisms that limit the absorption of toxins like mercury. Ingesting mercury in a tuna sandwich or fish does not result in anywhere near the total mercury content of the tuna being absorbed into the body…

    However, injecting mercury directly into the body via vaccines bypasses bodily absorption and excretion defenses, allowing direct dispersal of the mercury throughout the body.

    In the case of pregnant women — who are shamelessly encouraged to get injected with mercury-laden flu shots & Dtap, the injected mercury crosses the placental barrier, directly exposing the fetus. The fetus — unable to excrete mercury — sustains direct exposure from injected mercury, easily crossing the blood/brain barrier at the most critical
    stage of neurological development.

    Another part of this standard vaccine lie is that the vaccinated report low levels of mercury in the blood, falsely implying that the mercury was either not absorbed or was excreted. Most injected (and ingested) mercury does not remain in the blood at all, and rather is absorbed by bodily tissues, muscles, fat, bones, organs, and the most susceptible organ of the highest fat content, the brain.

    Given that the greater percentage of mercury (from all sources, including subsequent flu shots and vaccines) accumulates in the brain, it is easy to understand why neurological disorders of all types are often attributed
    to mercury.

    http://mercury-freedrugs.org/docs/091129_MisleadingMercuryexposureComparisonsb.pdf
    http://medicalveritas.com/manWakefield.pdf

  • guest

    I encourage people to read the following:
    “Fear of the Invisible” by Janine Roberts: http://reaids.com/fearoftheinvisible.com/

    Roberts is an investigative medical journalist who researched and produced investigative films for the BBC, American and Australian television. She was asked by parents with children severely ill after vaccination to discover if the medical authorities were hiding anything from them. (I should add this was Jabs!) She agreed, but had no idea how long this search would take or how it would change her ideas. She expected at best to uncover a small degree of contamination.

    On the ensuing decade-long journey of discovery, she found top government scientists report alarmingly, at meetings between scientists, that it is impossible to purify vaccines. They stated that the childhood vaccines of today are contaminated with viruses from chickens, humans and monkeys, with RNA and DNA fragments, with “cellular degradation products,” and possibly “oncogenes and prions.”

    The chapter called ‘The impure nature of vaccines” draws heavily on official (but previously unseen ) transcripts of meetings between top UK and USA vaccine scientists… it is shocking to hear how they talk when no journalists are around. I had always imagined that vaccines were made of viruses put into a sterile fluid – with a few other chemicals added as preservatives – like mercury… and thought mercury was all there is to worry about.

    The book was proof read for scientific accuracy by an eminent professor of pathology. She give not just detailed quotations – she names all the scientists who are saying these things – and web links are given so people can read the original documents for themselves where possible. Keep in mind this book was released in 2008. Some link may have been removed.

    The book can be found on Amazon and at the link above are a few chapters online.

  • tell that to all vaccine injured people and the the families that lost loved ones because of a vaccine..

  • What a BS post….measles are not that easily contagious, so funny. And if 31 people did get the measles, how many died?

  • guest

    Do you know how many children have died of measles since the year 2000? How many have died of chicken pox since 2000? How many have died of pertussis since the year 2000? How about tetanus? How about diphtheria? What is the death count since the year 2000 for any of these childhood illnesses?

    “The profit you speak of from vaccines… Is actually really low and some doctors loose money giving vaccines”

    Vaccines are a multi-billion dollar industry:
    -Pfizer: pneumococcal 2013: $3.76 billion 2020: $6.08 billion
    -Sanofi: DPT, Hep B, Polio, Tetanus. 2013: $153 billion $2.34 billion.
    -Merck: Gardasil. 2013: $1.83 billion 2020: $2.06 billion
    -Sanofi: Fluzone. 2013: $1.23 billion 2020: $1.82billion
    -GSK: Diphtheria; tetanus; pertussis/whooping cough; hepatitis B; polio. 2013: $1.35 billion 2020: $1.72
    EvaluatePharma predicts combined profits for ALL vaccine makers by 2020 will exceed 360 Billion.

    “doctors loose money giving vaccines”
    -Doctors Vaccinate for Profit: http://vactruth.com/2010/01/25/doctors-vaccinate-for-profit/
    -How Can it be About the Money? Immunizations are Free! Right?
    http://vaxtruth.org/2011/09/how-can-it-be-about-the-money-immunizations-are-free-right/
    -Doctors’ Financial Rewards from Administering Flu Shots: http://www.naturalblaze.com/2013/12/doctors-financial-rewards-from.html

    “This is the worst bunch of lies and shit I’ve ever seen… What studies have you looked at??”

    My you are emotional aren’t you. The worst lies are: Vaccines work. Vaccines are safe and effective. Vaccines do not cause autism. Vaccines give you immunity. Vaccines saved the world. There are more but this is a start. How about a history lesson on vaccines that you won’t get through the corporate owned media.

    Vaccination Blunders the Government Doesn’t Want You to Know About

    -Around 1872, with 98% of the population between ages 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, England experienced its worst ever
    smallpox outbreak, with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in
    Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000
    deaths from smallpox. (The Hadwen Documents)
    – In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940. By 1945, diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don`t Get Stuck, Hannah Allen)
    – In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered that both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus, which causes cancer in
    animals, as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had received these vaccines. (Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555)
    – In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated.
    In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990)
    – In the UK, between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children. (Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK)
    – In the 1970`s a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (The Lancet 12/1/80 p73)
    – In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk, who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science
    4/4/77 “Abstracts” )
    – In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US revealed that more than half of
    the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. (The People`s Doctor, Dr R Mendelsohn)
    – In 1979, Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times! (BMJ 283:696-697, 1981)
    -The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine.
    – In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)
    – In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage. (The Lancet, 21/9/91)
    – In 1990, a UK survey involving 598 doctors revealed that
    over 50% of them refused to have the Hepatitis B vaccine despite
    belonging to the high risk group urged to be vaccinated. (British Med Jnl, 27/1/1990)
    – In the November 1990 issue of the Journal of the American Medical
    Association, an article on measles stated: “Although more than
    95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against
    measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools
    and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated
    children.” (JAMA, 21/11/90)
    – In the USA, from July 1990 to November 1993, the US Food and Drug
    following vaccination. The FDA the US Food and Drug
    Administration counted a total of 54,072 adverse reactions
    following vaccination.The FDA admitted that this number represented only 10% of the real total, because most doctors were refusing to report vaccine injuries. In other words, adverse reactions for this period exceeded half a million! (National Vaccine Information Centre, March 2, 1994)
    – In the New England Journal of Medicine, July 1994 issue, a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough, had been fully vaccinated.
    – On November 2nd, 2000, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) announced that its members voted at their 57th annual meeting in St Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single “no” vote.
    (Report by Michael Devitt)
    source: http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html

    “And I will give my child every vaccine to protect them.”

    No one is telling you not to. You see that’s the difference between the pro vaxxers and those on the other side of the aisle. We are not telling you NOT to vaccinate your child. We are saying it is a personal family decision and not for others or the government to mandate. We are for INFORMED CONSENT. We are for choice. That means a medical profession giving families all the information about vaccines, not the 6 decade old mantra that vaccines are safe, effective and they work. We want the CDC to do the one study they absolutely refuse to do” Comparison of health between vaccinated children and unvaccinated children. It is a parents constitutional right to make health care choices for their family. Also we want the CDC and it’s many minions to stop violating the Nuremberg code.

    One law I would like to see passed is a newly vaccinated person, child or adult, must be QUARANTINED for the full 21-28 days they are CONTAGIOUS, in accordance with LAWS protecting the public against communicable diseases.

  • sabelmouse

    evolution really doesn’t come into ”man” made situations. you might as well call this present climate change evolution.

  • sabelmouse

    thanks for the links.

  • Vaccinate-or-kill-yourself

    Tell me how polio was wiped out? Go on, try me…

  • jlm927

    The decision not to vaccinate one’s children is a difficult one, and I made it only after talking to dozens of parents who had chosen not to vaccinate their younger children after their older one suffered a major reaction. There are kids who were developing normally who suddenly lost their speech and got seizures after vaccinations. Some never spoke again. As I mentioned, I have two sick kids and one healthy one (the unvaccinated one). There is no more wild polio in the world; the only way you can get polio is from a shot that goes wrong. So you have the right to vaccinate your kids and inject neurotoxins and aborted fetal tissue and genetically modified diseases into their bodies, and I, thank God, still have the right not to do so. But let me ask you: Do you know of even one unvaccinated child who was “killed” by not receiving a vaccine? Also, vaccine antibodies don’t last very long—about as long as the antibodies I gave my children by extended nursing. So my kids were fully immunized by me, which is nature’s way.

  • guest

    You are obviously a troll because you just posted to get paid without looking at all the comments below. This is my response to another troll who asked the same question about polio.

    So polio magically went away… Yeah sure…

    Nope, polio is still here. It never went away and was never “cured or eradicated” The WHO can make any disease go away simple by changing the diagnostic criteria which is what was done with Polio in 1958.

    In 1958, the CDC formally adopted the “Best available paralytic poliomyelitis case count” or BAPPCC:
    “Casesmust be clinically and epidemiologically compatible with poliomyelitis must have resulted in paralysis, and must have a residual neurological deficit 60 days after onset of initial symptoms. .. the BAPPCC does not include cases of nonparalytic poliomyelitis, of those in which paralysisis more transient. The original purpose of developing these criteria was to omit cases possibly due to enteroviruses other than
    polioviruses.”

    People who showed polio like symptoms that previously would have been diagnosed as Polio were now being diagnosed as: Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP), Transverse Myelitis, Viral or Aseptic Meningitis, Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS), Chinese Paralytic Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Epidemic Cholera, Cholera Morbus, Spinal Meningitis, Spinal Apolexy, Inhibitory Palsy, Intermittent Fever, Famine Fever, Worm Fever, Bilious Remittent Fever, Ergotis, ME, Post-Polio Syndrome aka GBS. Coxsackie virus and echo viruses can cause paralytic syndromes that are CLINICALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE from paralytic poliomyelitis.
    Polio is more than paralysis or being encased in an iron lung. The question is always asked what happened to the iron lungs?
    Doesn’t that prove Polio has been eradicated/cured. No, it doesn’t. The
    iron lungs were replaced by oxygen tents and than respirators. So if
    one contracts one of the above illness and has breathing difficulties-you’ll likely to be put on a respirator or the little oxygen nose plugs. Today, If you object to taking the polio vaccine and you get polio–it is usually called “polio.” If you have been vaccinated and you get “polio”, it is called meningitis or one of the other names.
    Polio cases rose about 300 to 400% in these 5 places that made the Salk vaccine compulsory by law:
    -North Carolina: 78 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 313 cases in 1959.
    -Connecticut: 45 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 123 cases in 1959.
    -Tennessee: 119 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 386 cases in 1959.
    -Ohio: 17 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 52 cases in 1959.
    -Los Angeles: 89 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 190 cases in 1959.

    By 1960, the Salk vaccine had proven to be so hazardous and ineffective,
    that the Journal of the American Medical Association (February 25, 1961)
    carried an article admitting that, “It is now generally recognized that
    much of the Salk vaccine used in the U.S. has been worthless.”

    Why 60 days? Because the CDC and WHO knew that 98% of Polio case resolved on their own and most people completely recovered within 60 days. Thousands of peoplecontracted polio but were asymptomatic. Never knew they had it until years later.

    “In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” –Control of influenza and poliomyelitis with killed virus vaccines) sciencemag.com and a very small embedded article in the Washington Post on September 24, 1976.

    The United States Center for Disease Control (CDC) admitted that the
    vaccine has become the dominant cause of polio in the US today, with 87% of cases between 1973 and 1983 caused by the vaccine. More recently, 1980-1989, every case of polio in the US was caused by the vaccine.
    Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institute of Health
    during the 1950’s were well aware that the Salk vaccine was ineffective
    and deadly. Some frankly stated that it was “worthless as a preventative
    and dangerous to take”.

    Polio is a enterovirus and all enterovirus are clinically indistinguishable from Polio. Enterovirus D68 or EV-D68, if you read up on all the symptoms that the children are experiencing, if you were told by the CDC/Media that it was EV-D68 the first thing to pop in your mind is these children have Polio. But wait…..isn’t Polio eradicated? Only on paper.

    Another thing about EV-D68. It has only occurred in vaccinated children.

  • DrKeteDC

    It’s the vaccine pushers who do not understand the immune system.

  • Joe Stetson

    Sure. The ones who took years of immunology in med scoop or to become biochemists don’t understand immunology and brioches try. Way to sound like a moron. And keep skewinig headline too. CDC never said it didn’t work. Said efficacy would be a little less than normal (70-90%) because if different strains. But who wxpects youbro present all the information. Just make up your headline.

  • Clear the BS

    That is Bull Shit
    My dad had cancer and went through treatment
    He was around all 5 of his fully UN VACCINATED Grandchildren with NO ISSUES

  • Matt Cash

    Your dad is lucky that almost everyone else keeps disease at bay so your walking biological weapons didn’t give him something potentially life threatening

  • read the actual studies…

    Perhaps you should actually read and link the actually studies that you claim prove all this, rather than referencing a 3rd party website that summarizes it and draws a conclusion for you… Your sources aren’t credible, and therefore your entire argument is invalid.

  • You must be equally concerned with those recently vaccinated with a live virus vaccine being around an immunocompromised person.

  • Roxanne

    Invariably vaccine apologists (I know I used to be super pro-vax till it took three separate events to awake me from years of blind conditioning and propaganda) play thepolio and smallpox vaccine heroic myths… So here’s just a sampling of the former…

    *** Please note, quotes include those who were PART of the system and not”anti-vax”….

    The polio vaccine saviour myth is just that:

    1- According to official mortality stats for the U.S. and Britian polio was ALREADY in the decline prior to the introduction of the vaccine.

    2- The definition and diagnosis of Polio was changed after the vaccine thereby skewing stats to favour commercial interests

    3- The link between ‘polio-like paralysis’ and DDT spraying has been suppressed

    4- The devastation caused by both the Salk and Sabin vaccines has been suppressed including SV-40 linked to untold cancers.

    From 1923 to 1953 before the Salk killed virus vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the United States and England had already declined on its own by 47% and 55% respectively.
    ***International Mortality Statistics

    “Official data shows that large scale vaccination has failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection.”
    ***Dr. Albert Sabin, Developer of the Oral Polio vaccine

    “Prior to 1954 any physician who reported paralytic poliomyelitis was doing his patient a service by way of subsidizing the cost of hospitalization… two examinations at least twenty-four hours apart was all that was required… In 1955 the criteria were changed …residual paralysis was determined ten to twenty days after onset of illness and again fifty to seventy days after onset…This change In definition meant that in 1955, we started reporting a new disease… Furthermore, diagnostic procedures have continued to be Re-defined. Cocksackie virus infections and aseptic meningitis have been distinguished from poliomyelitis…Thus simply in the Change of diagnosis criteria, the number of paralytic cases was pre-deterrmined to decrease.”
    ***Dr. Bernard Greenberg, Chairman of the Committee on Evaluation & Standards of The American Policy Health Association during 1950s testifying before Congressional Hearings, 1962

    ***”After vaccination was introduced, cases of aseptic meningitis were reported as a separate disease from polio, but such were counted as polio before the vaccine was introduced. The Ministry of Health admitted that the vaccine status of the individual is a guiding factor in diagnosis…If a person who is vaccinated contracts the disease, the disease is simply recorded under a different name…Those who contracted polio after the first inoculation were placed on the non-inoculated list…It’s obvious that this practice of screening statistics, apparently in order to suppress facts unfavourable to immunization, invalidates most of the evidence brought forward by the supporters of immunization.”
    Maurice Meadow Bayly MRCS, LRCP, ‘The Case Against Vaccination’

    “The U.S.P.H.S. reported that more children who received the Salk vaccine made by Wyeth Labs suffered polio than could normally be expected.” Washington Bureau of the Detroit Free Press, 6/13/55

    “In 1957, a spokesman for the North Carolina Health Department made glowing claims for the efficacy of the Salk vaccine, showing how polio steadily decrease from 1953 to 1957. Hi figures were challenged by Dr. Fred Klenner who pointed out that it wasn’t until 1955 that a single person in the state received a polio vaccine injection. Even then injections were administered on a limited basis because of the number of polio cases resulting from the vaccine. It wasn’t until 1956 that a single person in the state received a polio vaccine Even then injections were administered on a limited basis because of the number of polio cases resulting from the vaccine. It wasn’t until 1956 that polio vaccinations assumed inspired proportion. The 61% drop in polio cases in 1954 was credited to the Salk vaccine when it wasn’t even in the state. By 1957 polio was on the increase.” Dr. Walene James, ‘Immunization: The Reality Behind the Myth’

    “Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institutes of Health during the 1950s were all aware that the Salk vaccine was causing polio. Some frankly stated that it was ‘worthless as a preventative and dangerous to take.’ They refused to vaccinate their own children. Health departments banned the inoculation. The Idaho State Health Director angrily declared ‘I hold Salk vaccine and its manufacturers responsible ‘for a polio outbreak that several killed Idahoans and hospitalized dozens more…” ‘Vaccines: Are They really Safe and Effective’, N. Miller citing ‘The Poisoned needle’ and data taken from government statistics as reported

    “Where compulsory vaccination was practiced as in North Carolina and Tenesse, Bealle’s investigations report a 400% increase in paralytic and non-paralytic polio during 1959 over 1958.”
    William Frederick Koch MD, PhD

    “I got a phone call… This was the health officer of the city of Los Angeles and he said they just got two reports of polio in sime children who had been vaccinated days earlier.”
    James Shannon, then Associate Director, National Institute of Health

    “English authorities have cancelled the Salk vaccine program as too dangerous.” Herbert Ratner MD Editor, Bulletin of Public Health Officials

    “When you inoculate children with a polio vaccine you don’t sleep well for two or three weeks.” Dr. Jonas Salk, Developer of the Killed Virus Polio Vaccine

    “In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, the developer of the killed-virus vaccine testified that the live virus vaccine was “the principal if not the sole” cause of polio in the U.S. since 1961” Washington Post 9/ 24/76

    “According to the CDC, 133 people contracted polio between 1980 and 1994. A total of 125 of those cases or an average of eight per year were caused directly by the oral polio vaccine, which consists of a live but weakened virus, the CDC said.” Associated Press, 1/ 20/97

    “We have heard of localities where the polio incidence rose after DDT spraying.” Rodale Encyclopedia of Common Diseases, 1963

    “It is quite clear that the authorities are keeping certain information secret. They do their best to hide their contributing role concerning the production and misuse of DDT behind a polio-virus and a supposed miracle-vaccine.” Gerhard Buchwald MD, citing ‘Polio: An Illness caused by pesticides?’ by Vlado Petek-Dimner

    “In 1983, via new legislation, DDT was allowed back into the U.S. marketplaces but only in pesticide blends. Within only a few months of this re-entry, a new kind of polio epidemic re-emerged labeled “post-polio”…this correlation is not even a whisper in the mainstream media…Central nervous system diseases continue: acute flaccid paralysis, chronic fatigue syndrome, encephalitis, meningitis, muscular sclerosis.” ‘Environmental Aspects of post Polio Syndrome’
    and there’s all the lives lost to the SV-40 contamination!!!

  • Roxanne

    There are several entries below this entry on vaccine INDUCED polio taking on the polio vaccine heroics myth that include ADMISSIONS from pro-vaccine officialdom… Question is will you actually attempt to read them and challenge the deeply embedded indoctrination that you’ve obviously never independently questioned???
    ****Numerous Studies Show That Vaccine Injections Cause Paralytic Polio:

    Houchaus. “Ueber Poliomyelitis acuta.” Munch Med Wochenschr 1909; 56:2353-55.

    Lambert, S.M. “A yaws campaign and an epidemic of poliomyelitis in Western Samoa.” J Trop Med Hyg 1936; 39:41-46.

    McCloskey, B.P. “The relation of prophylactic inoculations to the onset of poliomyletis.” Lancet (April 18, 1950), pp. 659-63.

    Geffen, D.H. “The incidence of paralysis occurring in London children within four weeks after immunization.” Med Officer 1950; 83:137-40.

    Martin, J.K. “Local paralysis in children after injections.” Arch Dis Child 1950; 25:1-14.

    Hill, A.B., et al. “Inoculation and poliomyelitis. A statistical investigation in England and Wales in 1949.” British Medical Journal 1950; ii:1-6.

    Medical Research Council Committee on Inoculation Procedures and Neurological Lesions. “Poliomyelitis and prophylactic inoculation.” Lancet 1956; ii:1223-31.

    Sutter, Roland W., et al. “Attributable risk of DTP (Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine) injection in provoking paralytic poliomyelitis during a large outbreak in Oman.” Journal of Infectious Diseases 1992; 165:444-9.

    Strebel, Peter M., et al. “Intramuscular injections within 30 days of immunization with oral poliovirus vaccine — a risk factor for vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis.” New England J of Med (February 23, 1995), pp. 500+.

    Editorial. “Provocation paralysis.” Lancet 1992; 340:1005.

    Wyatt, H.V. “Provocation poliomyelitis: neglected clinical observations from 1914-1950.” Bulletin of Historical Medicine 1981; 55:543-57.

    Townsend-Coles, W.F and Findlay, G.M. “Poliomyelitis in relation to intramuscular injections of quinine and other drugs.” Trans R Soc Trop Med Hyg 1953; 47:77-81.

    Guyer, B., et al. “Injections and paralytic poliomyelitis in tropical Africa.” Bull WHO 1980; 58:285-91.

    Bodian, D. “Viremia in experimental poliomyelitis. II. Viremia and the mechanism of the ‘provoking’ effect of injections of trauma.” Amer J Hyg 1954; 60:358-70.

    Wyatt, H.V. “Incubation of poliomyelitis as calculated from time of entry into the central nervous system via the peripheral nerve pathways.” Rev Infect Dis 1990; 12:547-56.

    Wyatt H.V., et al. “Unnecessary injections and paralytic poliomyelitis in India.” Trans R Soc Trop Med Hyg 1992; 86:546-49.

    A Poor Diet Has Been Shown to Increase Susceptibility to Polio:

    Chandra, R.K. “Reduced secretory antibody response to live attenuated measles and poliovirus vaccines in malnourished children.” British Medical Journal 1975; ii:583-85.

    Paralytic Polio — Full Recovery is Possible:

    Harry, N.M. “The recovery period in anterior poliomyelitis.” British Medical Journal 1938; 1:164-67.

    Sharrard, W. “Muscle recovery in poliomyelitis.” J Bone Joint Surgery 1955; 37B:63-79.

    Affeldt, J.E., et al. “Functional and vocational recovery in severe poliomyelitis.” Clin Orthop 1958; 12:16-21.

    Hollenberg, C., et al. “The late effects of spinal poliomyelitis.” Can Med Assoc J 1959; 81:343-46.

    Ramlow, J., et al. “Epidemiology of the post-polio syndrome.” American Journal of Epidemiology 1992; 136:783.

    The Oral Polio Vaccine Is a Major Cause of Polio:

    Strebel, Peter M., et al. “Epidemiology of poliomyletis in U.S. one decade after the last reported case of indigenous wild virus associated disease,” Clinical Infectious Diseases (CDC, February 1992), pp. 568-79.

    Gorman, Christine. “When the vaccine causes the polio.” Time (October 30, 1995), p. 83. [Article]

    Shaw, Donna. “Unintended casualties in war on polio.” Philadelphia Inquirer (June 6, 1993), p. A1. [Article]

    **The Polio Death Rate Was Declining Before the Vaccine Was Introduced:

    Alderson, Michael. International Mortality Statistics (Washington, DC: Facts on File, 1981), pp. 177-78.

    **The Standards for Defining Polio Were Altered When the Polio Vaccine Was Introduced. (By making simple changes to the diagnostic criteria, the number of Polio cases was predetermined to decrease.)

    Hearings Before the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce, House of Representatives, 87th Congress, 2nd Session on HR 10541. May 1962, pp. 94-112

  • Roxanne

    Vaccines and Death:
    Na, “DPT Vaccination and Sudden Infant Death – Tennessee, US Dept HEW, MMWR Report, Mar 23, 1979, vol 28(11): 132.
    Arevalo, “Vaccinia Necrosum. Report on a Fatal Case”, Bol Ofoc Sanit Panamer, Aug 1967, 63:106-110.
    Connolly, J H, Dick, G W, Field, CM, “A Case of Fatal Progressive Vaccinia”, Brit Med Jour, 12 May 1962; 5288:1315-1317.
    Aragona, F, “Fatal Acute Adrenal Insufficiency Caused by Bilateral Apoplexy of the Adrenal Glands (WFS) following Anti-poliomyelitis Vaccination”, Minerva Medicolegale, Aug 1960; 80:167-173.
    Moblus, G et al, “Pathological-Anatomical Findings in Cases of Death Following Poliomyelitis and DPT Vaccination”, Dtsch Gesundheitsw, Jul 20, 1972, 27:1382-1386.
    NA, “Immunizations and Cot Deaths”, Lancet, Sept 25, 1982, np.
    Goetzeler, A, “Fatal Encephalitis after Poliomyelitis Vaccination”, 22 Jun 1961, Muenchen Med Wschr, 102:1419-1422.
    Fulginiti, V, “Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, Diphtheria-Tetanus Toxoid-Pertussis Vaccination and Visits to the Doctor: Chance Association or Cause and Effect?”, Pediatr Infect Disorder, Jan-Feb 1983, 2(1): 7-11.
    Baraff, LJ, et al, “Possible Temporal Association Between Diphtheria-tetanus toxoid-Pertussis Vaccination and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome”, Pediatr Infect Disorder, Jan-Feb 1983, 2(1): 5-6.
    Reynolds, E, “Fatal Outcome of a Case of Eczema Vaccinatum”, Lancet, 24 Sept 1960, 2:684-686.
    Apostolov. et al, “Death of an Infant in Hyperthermia After Vaccination”, J Clin Path, Mar 1961, 14:196-197.
    Bouvier-Colle, MH, “Sex-Specific Differences in Mortality After High-Titre Measles Vaccination”, Rev Epidemiol Sante Publique, 1995; 43(1): 97.
    Stewart GT, “Deaths of infants after triple vaccine.”, Lancet 1979 Aug 18;2(8138):354-355.
    Flahault A, “Sudden infant death syndrome and diphtheria/tetanus toxoid/pertussis/poliomyelitis immunisation.”, Lancet 1988 Mar 12;1(8585):582-583.
    Larbre, F et al, “Fatal Acute Myocarditis After Smallpox Vaccination”, Pediatrie, Apr-May 1966, 21:345-350.
    Mortimer EA Jr, “DTP and SIDS: when data differ”, Am J Public Health 1987 Aug; 77(8):925-926.

  • Roxanne

    Hmm… And how many of those cancers etc. were induced or contributed to by vaccination???? Well known vaccine developer Maurice Hilleman even in his
    own words in interview admitted to leukemia viruses being in the Yellow Fever
    vaccine.

    ***Vaccines, Leukemia and Lymphomas:

    Bichel, “Post-vaccinial Lymphadenitis Developing into Hodgkin’s Disease”, Acta Med Scand, 1976, Vol 199, p523-525.

    Stewart, AM, et al, “Aetiology of Childhood Leukaemia”, Lancet, 16 Oct, 1965, 2:789-790.

    Glathe, H et al, “Evidence of Tumorigenic Activity of Candidate Cell Substrate in Vaccine Production by the Use of Anti-Lymphocyte Serum”, Development Biol Std, 1977, 34:145-148.

    Bolognesi, DP, “Potential Leukemia Virus Subunit Vaccines: Discussion”, Can Research, Feb 1976, 36(2 pt 2):655-656.

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    ***The Polio Vaccine Has Been Linked to Cancer:

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  • Roxanne

    Ever read an actual vaccine monograph, my friend which fully admit that the vaccine can shed for weeks and to avoid contact with the “immuno-compromised”???

  • guest

    “You know you are lumped in with 9/11 triggers and people that think sandy hook was staged”

    Whatever creditability you may have had is shot. Once you invoke any of the following, you have outed yourself as a troll:
    911, aliens, tin foil hats, name calling, ridicule, cursing to create a distraction…….you are a troll. Go away.

  • guest

    There has always been a controversy surrounding pre-natal ultrasound. Below are a few studies. The list of studies you provided are funded by the government and appear in pharmaceutical funded journals. I haven’t looked up the funding sources for all of them, but I’m working on it.

    Long-term effects of diagnostic ultrasound during fetal period on postnatal development and adult behavior of mouse- http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0024320502016429
    *Abstract
    Pregnant Swiss albino mice were exposed to diagnostic levels of ultrasound (3.5 MHz, intensity 65 mW, ISPTP = 1 W/cm2, ISATA = 240 W/cm2) for 10, 20 and 30 minutes on day 14 of gestation. Sham exposed controls were maintained for comparison. Fifteen pregnant mice were exposed for each group. Exposed as well as control animals were left to complete gestation and parturition. Ultrasound induced changes in maternal vaginal temperature was recorded. The changes in the physiological reflexes and postnatal mortality up to 6 weeks of age were recorded. The litters were subjected to behavioral tests for locomotor activity, learning and memory at 4 month and 1 year of age. Neither the
    physiological reflexes nor the postnatal mortality was affected by ultrasound exposure. However, there was a noticeable impairment in both locomotor and learning behavior even after a 10 min exposure, which further increased with increases in exposure time. Thus the present study demonstrates the neurotoxicity of diagnostic ultrasound and the high susceptibility of early fetal brain to induction of lasting detrimental changes by ultrasound exposure.

    *Exposure to Ultrasound in Utero: Epidemiology and Relevance of Neuronal Migration Studies:
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301562910001195

    *The Safety of Prenatal Ultrasound Exposure in Human Studies: http://journals.lww.com/epidem/Fulltext/2002/05001/The_Safety_of_Prenatal_Ultrasound_Exposure_in.4.aspx
    Abstract
    Diagnostic ultrasound use in obstetrics has been
    growing rapidly to become an integral part of prenatal care today. The high proportion of exposure to prenatal ultrasound highlights the public health significance of routine ultrasound use. A majority of epidemiologic studies tends to support the safety of diagnostic ultrasound use during pregnancy. However, there have been some reports
    that there may be a relation between prenatal ultrasound exposure and adverse outcome. Some of the reported effects include growth restriction, delayed speech, dyslexia, and non-right-handedness associated with ultrasound exposure. Continued research is needed to
    evaluate the potential adverse effects of ultrasound exposure during pregnancy. These studies should measure the acoustic output, exposure time, number of exposures per subject, and the timing during the
    pregnancy when exposure(s) occurred, while controlling for potential confounding variables such as sociodemographic, medical, and obstetric risk factors. We recommend that a new consensus development conference be held to gather the needed data and provide guidelines for the future research needs, as well as respond to the rapid advances in this technology.

    *This is straight from the journal “Epidemiology” (Dec 2001), and suggests that ultrasound is associated with mild brain damage.
    ULTRASOUND IN OBSTETRICS: A QUESTION OF SAFETY: http://www.aimsusa.org/ultrasnd.htm
    “Free radical production in amniotic fluid and blood plasma by medical ultrasound, probably following gaseous cavitation, has been detected by Crum et al (1987). This provides a likely mechanism for the origin of the DNA damage. Because of these confirmations and a report
    by Ellisman et al (1987) that diagnostic levels of ultrasound may disrupt myelination in neonatal rats, the need for regulation, guidance, and properly controlled clinical studies is clear.”

    *Fetal effects of ultrasound: a growing controversy.
    D Haire
    Journal of Nurse-Midwifery 01/1984; 29(4):241-6. DOI: 10.1016/0091-2182(84)90127-7
    Source: PubMed

  • Joe Stetson

    What does that even mean, troll. I saw this story posted, read it, and realized how ridiculous it was. Then posted a comment. Is never posted a comment on any other story. I has to sign up on this disqus garbage. Sorry if you don’t like being lumped in with other conspiracy theorists, but that will be inevitable.

  • Lucy Hill

    Keep mind that vaccines such as MMR are live and are known to spread the diseases, especially to people with compromised immune systems, so it’s the vaccines which are a danger to Cancer patients

  • Lucy Hill

    Spot on, glad you said that!

  • Lucy Hill

    Good, glad more people realize this!

  • Lucy Hill

    Yes, specifically the vaccines containing aborted fetal cells, these are known to increase the risk of Leukemia

  • Lucy Hill

    Most doctors haven’t got a clue, they are just doing what they’ve been told by the system. However some doctors are smart, they don’t vaccinate their own kids

  • Lucy Hill

    You are a paid shill James and everyone here knows it

  • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

    Vaccines can and have and do cause serious issues up to and including death… I don’t give a fig in heck if you believe it but when my daughter died and her doctors PLURAL and the coroner stated that it was due to a vaccine reaction, I will believe them over you!

  • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

    So, tell me this… If you had a child that died as a result of a vaccine… Would you run the risk of vaccinating your other children?

  • tz1

    It seems to be more about whether one is a vaxer or anti-vaxer instead of science.

    No, “YOUR BABY WILL DIE IF YOU LET THEM VACCINATE” isn’t true, but the concerns about the risks are quite reasonable. Why do they need to inject newborns with vaccines for STDs that are laced with toxic chemicals? Why not wait and go slower and use cleaner versions, assuming the risk of contracting the disease is higher than the side-effects of getting the vaccine.

    Getting the disease is unpredictable and unlikely but non-zero, and then it may or may not be serious.

    Getting the vaccination is known and willful, but the similar non-zero risks are overlooked.

    The alternatives must be weighed.

    Smallpox was a serious and often fatal disease. It was eradicated using a simple low-tech vaccine and bifurcated needle. The risk-reward was very high. They didn’t vaccinate everyone, only those in an area of an outbreak where it could be contained (similar to where you might not need flood insurance on a butte with good drainage).

    Polio might also be a good risk-reward, but I don’t know if the pharma companies have introduced more toxic forms of the vaccine. A drop of fluid that is swallowed with one vaccine is very different than a toxic cocktail injected directly into the bloodstream.

    Conversely, I can see NO reason for Hepatitis B or Guardasil, assuming you aren’t a sex-worker or IV drug user. If you’re healthy, the maybe catching the flu is less a threat than 100% getting the vaccine and maybe the side-effects.

    What are the chances you will get the disease – are you in public or among the sick, or are you isolated? And if you do get the disease, what are the chances it will be anything more than a few unpleasant days in bed? Someone who is among the public and often sick is different than someone in a hermitage.

    Newborns shouldn’t be vaccinated at all. After they and their immune systems have developed, the risks can be assessed. You have time to read up.

    IF I had a newborn or elderly person in my home that might be threatened by the current flu, I might get myself vaccinated, though either I didn’t get the flu or only suffered “I’m feeling under the weather” from it. Everyone’s situation is different. In one case it was my Mother – whom I didn’t have vaccinated since she was inside all the time and was frail, but I got it since I’m a strong adult with iron constitution, but didn’t want to risk her getting the flu since I was out and in contact with lots of others.

    Many diseases are unpleasant but survivable, especially with modern medical technology. Many of the 1914 children who died of a common disease would survive in 2014.

    Also, the only perfect immunity from vaccines are for their producers when the vaccines maim or kill someone. If they were so good, why does the law give them a pass.

  • concerned gramma

    If prescription drugs can cause side effects up to and including death then why is it so hard to believe that vaccines can also cause reactions or side effects for certain individuals?

  • Caz Earle

    I thought that many cancer patients are able to take vaccines esp the flu jab. http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/cancers-in-general/cancer-questions/should-i-have-the-flu-vaccine

  • AutismDad

    great post. Vaccines like flu shots are like cough medicines, a con that works.

  • AutismDad

    Wise up troll, nobody here is listening to your crapola

  • AutismDad

    congatualations on passing grade one….finally

  • AutismDad

    I’d return that brain and get a full refund. Then blow the cash in a pay toilet

  • AutismDad

    its a tumor

  • Matt Cash

    Considering its one in millions? Yes. I most certainly wouldn’t ignore the data that proves vaccines are safe for all but a tiny part of the population

  • Matt Cash

    Because unlike you, I don’t rely on anecdotal evidence

  • Matt Cash

    Except they’re not. Stopping pulling crap out of your ass

  • Show your math. Thanks.

  • Matt Cash

    Cancer patients are much more susceptible to succumbing to nasty diseases like measles. If I’m not mistaken, the vaccines they can receive are few and far between. Thus, they need as many people around them vaccinated as possible

  • Matt Cash

    Nice one. Care to actually address my comment or continue to act like you’re 12?

  • Matt Cash

    Burn on me. I guess.

    Try harder, clown

  • AutismDad

    And the medical authorities chose to ignore the many eye wittnessed accounts, then wonder why we do not trust them or the vaccines. If your best friend treated you that way you’d have an ex-friend in no time. My son can’t talk and has seizures, no life and no future. Thats our reward for listening to a pediatrician.

  • Matt Cash

    Hmmm…. None of them. Vaccines don’t cause cancer

  • Anti-vaxers => Wooden ships:-)

    Top kek. Well done :-)

  • AutismDad

    are you going to address her comment or keep acting like a 10 year old?

  • AutismDad

    We see fainting, seizures, anaphylactic response and death in several forms like SIDs after vaccination. Governments have sold out to the vaccine stategy, and because it is government health agencies like FDA and CDC, or VAERS, or NVICP, they define what is science, vaccine injury and basically their version is used define it.

  • Joe Stetson
  • Michael McLaughlin

    Not to mention polio had been eradicated in North America until the 90s when the nasal polio vaccine RE-INTRODUCED it – this is admitted by the CDC, FDA.

  • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

    Nice… Actually you ignoramus I am following Dr. orders not to vaccinate but then you would prefer to make ignorant ASSumptions… Just an FYI… I have never once told anyone not to vaccinate what I HAVE said is know the benefits and detriments, know the possible side-effects and complications and know your family medical history and make sure that your child is healthy enough for vaccines… I also tend to prefer peer-reviewed over ‘anecdotal’ information. I love how you determine to judge without ANY facts… If this is how you make all of your decisions and form all of your opinions I feel bad for you.
    OH yes… IF your child was that “one in a million” I promise it will alter your opinion!!!

  • defragmentingthecode

    Just because kids are unvaccinated does not mean they are carrying every disease known to man. In fact, to the contrary, because many ‘live’ vaccines SHED (google it) you’ll find it is more likely the vaccinated spreading illness to the immuno compromised and newborns.

  • defragmentingthecode

    No, they need as many people as possible not to be currently ill or recently vaccinated with a ‘live’ vaccine around them. Live vaccines shed, spreading illnesses- as does a contagious person. An unvaccinated kid who is not carrying any illness is no threat to a cancer patient or anyone else.

  • defragmentingthecode

    Oh, yeah? Google ‘polio vaccine and SV40’.

  • defragmentingthecode

    I addressed it a few time above, but I’ll say it here too. Unvaccinated kids do not carry every disease known to man… infected people do. And, in fact, because many ‘live’ vaccines SHED (google it) you’ll find it is more likely the vaccinated spreading illness to the immuno compromised and newborns.

  • defragmentingthecode

    Google ‘Vaccine shedding’.

  • defragmentingthecode

    Here u go, then. Here’s some scientific evidence to question vaccines. http://www.cmsri.org/published-research/

  • I asked for your math. Not to someone else’s opinion.

  • Joe Stetson

    Really? After you posted 12 articles? 2013 , 1 trillion $ pharm products sold, 3.1 billion $ on flu vaccine. That 0.3 %.

  • guest

    LOL. I love it when someone calls me a conspiracy theorist. It demonstrates ignorance. I really love it when I’m called a troll. LOL. LOL. LOL…..

  • Simply put, I posted government contracts and earning statements. Did you read them or did you choose to respond emotionally?

  • datruth

    Does anyone know of a holistic pediatricians in hampton va

  • Fact Checker

    Re-introduced for ~150 people out of a population of 259,000,000. OPV has been stopped from being distributed.

    [http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/dis-faqs.htm]

  • Logician

    There is a difference between acknowledging the risks of individual vaccines and decrying every single vaccine because one of them had been discovered to have risks.

  • Student in Immunology

    The person who wrote this has no idea how the immune system works try taking a course in immunology or reading a text book on immunology and then you will see how unfounded these claims are.

  • vernix

    What a huge pile of crap. The person that wrote this article is actively contributing to the deaths of thousands of children whose parents believe this junk and fail to vaccinate.

  • Not an Idiot

    You are an idiot who is actively contributing to the endangerment of the thousands of children and parents who believe you. Nearly every person I know has gotten vaccinated, so why aren’t they seizing or contracting these deadly diseases like you say, not to mention the decades of research posted in professional medical journals that prove you wrong, these bs graphs and books that anyone can make.

  • Jim

    I’m 62 years old. Back then we only got up to 4 vaccinations. Today by the time your out of high school you have gotten up to 40 vaccines. Look at today’s Test subjects our military with so many side effects and the VA refusing to treat them.

  • caroline

    Everyones dna is different. What may work for someone, might not work for someone else. Im a balanced mother. My children were born in the hospitol because I respect modern medicine. It saves lives. The technology and knowledge we have in western medicine is amazing. However, western practioners are not balanced. They know very little of what this earth has provided for us to help us. My opinion. I took my son to “all children’s hospitol”. The Dr on duty, and I quote.” Your son has a virus, there is nothing I can do, just alternate motrin and tylenol and wait it out, and keep him hydrated”. I looked in amazment. I asked why he wasnt reccommending any antivirus for my son. He said ” there arent any”. I then proceeded to tell him to get a piece of paper and write down the list of antivirals I was about to say. HE WROTE THEM DOWN!!! He had NO idea what was out there. When I visit my ND, she is Extremly up to date on current medications, and a lot of her patients are nurses and drs, because she has knowledge of both sides. Thats what I think is lacking. Not whos right or whos wrong, but no balance. So dont call people idiots. I do believe that vaccinations play a role, however, I chose not to vaccinate my children, ans they are extremely healthy. Never have ear infections, asthma, digestive problems, no adhd. I bring them to pediatrician every year, and she is always commenting on how healthy they are. Its a personal decision that needs research on both parties. That is all

  • guest

    According to the CDC immunization schedule this is the count:

    49 DOSES OF 14 VACCINES BEFORE AGE 6?
    69 DOSES OF 16 VACCINES BY AGE 18?

  • guest

    “deaths of thousands of children whose parents believe this junk and fail to vaccinate.”

    Please substantiate with statement with verifiable research data or studies. All studies must be INDEPENDENT and the researcher must have not government, CDC or pharmaceutical industry ties.

    Please post something specific rather than a meaningless rant. Otherwise you will be designated to the category of TROLL.

  • guest

    You are another troll. You are are saying the same thing.
    You’re talking loud and saying NOTHING.

    If you have a specific, please present it. If not, please go away.
    You people wouldn’t be so obvious if you didn’t come onto a site as a pack, back to back and than all your troll buddies uptick you in droves. Really! You guys could at least try and fool someone.

  • guest

    “polio had been eradicated in North America”

    Polio has not been eradicated. The diagnostic criteria was changed to eliminate an illness and hide the fact that the Polio vaccine was a dud.

    In 1958, the CDC formally adopted the “Best available paralytic poliomyelitis case count” or BAPPCC:
    “Cases must be clinically and epidemiologically compatible with poliomyelitis, must have resulted in paralysis, and must have a residual neurological deficit 60 days after onset of initial symptoms. .. the BAPPCC does not include cases of nonparalytic poliomyelitis, of those in which paralysis is more transient. The original purpose of developing these criteria was to omit cases possibly due to enteroviruses other than polioviruses.” People who showed polio like symptoms that previously would have been diagnosed as Polio were now being diagnosed as: Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP), Transverse Myelitis, Viral or Aseptic Meningitis, Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS), Chinese Paralytic Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Epidemic Cholera, Cholera Morbus, Spinal Meningitis, Spinal Apolexy, Inhibitory Palsy, Intermittent Fever, Famine Fever, Worm Fever, Bilious Remittent Fever, Ergotis, ME, Post-Polio Syndrome aka GBS. Coxsackie virus and echo viruses can cause paralytic syndromes that are clinically indistinguishable from paralytic poliomyelitis.

    Even Jonas Salk stated that it didn’t work.

    -In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” –Control of influenza and poliomyelitis with killed virus vaccines) sciencemag.com and a very small embedded article in the Washington Post on September 24, 1976
    -The United States Center for Disease Control (CDC) admitted that the vaccine has become the dominant cause of polio in the US today, with 87% of cases between 1973 and 1983 caused by the vaccine. More recently, 1980-1989, every case of polio in the US was caused by the vaccine. Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institute of Health during the 1950’s were well aware that the Salk vaccine was ineffective and deadly. Some frankly stated that it was “worthless as a preventative and dangerous to take”.

  • vernix

    http://www.healthline.com/health-news/children-anti-vaccination-movement-leads-to-disease-outbreaks-120312#2

    Do *any* amount of research on the topic. Just a brief Google search and you’ll find plenty of evidence that anti-vaxx is deadly to kids. Stop confirming your own bias.

  • derrick

    Did you know there is not one tiny bit of evidence in this article that is valid? All 10 of your reasons are flawed. The internet makes it possible for anybody to make web sites that contains information that’s not accurate such as this one, and all the sites she gets her information from. This is creating a huge group of people among the uneducated who are dead set on believing this information. Science is based on fact, not guessing. If you have not gone to medical school and are not licenced to practice medicine, you should not pretend you know more then these doctors do just because you’ve “done your research” and read a few unreliable sources on the web. Their 5 years of medical school and 6 year internship is superior to the weekends you spend web surfing doing “research”.

  • PatinRaleigh

    Absolutely correct . . . the decision should be a risk vs. benefit one, made on a vaccine by vaccine basis. And it makes no sense at all to risk overwhelming a small child’s immune system by administering large numbers of vaccinations at once! Go slow and be very choosy. I’m 67 and, as a child, was vaccinated only against small pox and, eventually, polio. Like most in my generation, I caught measles, mumps, whooping cough, and chicken pox and survived all of these common childhood illnesses just fine, as did most of my generation. The absolute hysteria raised in response to parents making a considered decision NOT to vaccinate their children against every imaginable disease is just that . . . hysteria, blown deliberately out of proportion by those with deeply vested monetary interests (pharma’s, medical device manufacturers, doctors, etc.) Hell, when I was little, mom’s used to call their friends and arrange to bring their kids to visit a little one who had measles or mumps just so their kid would contract and get over the disease in childhood, developing a strong, natural immunity to those diseases in order to avoid suffering them as adults when there could be far more deleterious side effects. Please people DON’t make your decision re which vaccinations to permit your children to receive based upon industry hype. Research each one and accept only those which, for each child, make truly good sense!

  • Rob Klaers

    //HE WROTE THEM DOWN!!! He had NO idea what was out there//

    Perhaps you’d care to share these antivirals with us..

  • Rob Klaers

    //Like most in my generation, I caught measles, mumps, whooping cough, and chicken pox and survived all of these common childhood illnesses just fine, as did most of my generation.//

    The key phrase here is “as did most of my generation”.. So you admit that there were lives lost to those diseases..

    What if you knew a way to cut down those deaths..? Would you recommend it..?

    //Hell, when I was little, mom’s used to call their friends and arrange to bring their kids to visit a little one who had measles or mumps just so their kid would contract and get over the disease in childhood, developing a strong, natural immunity to those diseases in order to avoid suffering them as adults when there could be far more deleterious side effects.//

    Pox parties.. wonderful.. The worst possible way to immunize your child. Why expose your child to a live virus which is far more dangerous, when they can be exposed to a dead one, still build up the immunity and possibly even get more benefits as a result.. For instance, it’s well known that the Chicken Pox virus can cause painful shingles later on in life. The Chicken Pox vaccine has shown a decreased number of cases of shingles in those vaccinated.
    .

  • Rob Klaers

    Let’s not forget that small pox has also been eradicated in the US and much of the world due to vaccines. .So much so, that the military stopped giving their members vaccines in the early 90’s..

  • Joris

    ok, show me one study that HPV vaccin Gardasil is safe.

    Proven by double blind scientific research not flawed by pharma money, supported bij autonomous research, safe for all targeted groups in the long run.

  • Rob Klaers

    If polio eradication is a myth.. then perhaps you’d care to share the number of recent cases of the disease. Please list the country, city, hospital and date of the diagnosis..

  • Pip

    None of these are from peer-reviewed medical journals, which all suggest the opposite of these “facts”. Find credible sources or stop perpetuating your lies.

  • Bob

    No placebo tests? Google says differently. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10493337

  • Ron M

    Wow. What a load of idiotic falsehoods, misinformation and mythology. Smallpox, a disease that caused untold suffering and death is no longer present – thanks to vaccination. Polio – almost obliterated as well, except for resistance to vaccination in small pockets of the world. Vaccines save lives. Not vaccinating is killing children.

  • Kindly be quiet

    You are an idiot, plain and simple

  • D

    NONE of the references were from credible databases and peer-reviewed journal articles. This misinformation is from several other biased pages that have received their sources from more unreliable, biased sources and so on. There is no solid primary literature presented that makes these claims facts.

    Here is a very reliable, non-biased, not-for-profit organization that gives systematic reviews on randomized controlled trials (RCTs): http://www.cochrane.org/

  • Jay B

    Mumps outbreak in NHL, 14 guys including Sidney Crosby who got his vaccines but still got the mumps. the others probably vaccinated as well.
    I had MMR vaccine, still came down with rubella.
    Where’s the effectiveness?

  • AutismDad

    No you are an idiot, and you have shown with this post you know squat.

  • AutismDad

    explain it EINSTEIN

  • AutismDad

    prove it

  • AutismDad

    A huge pile of crap? Don’t be so hard on yourself

  • AutismDad

    Gulf War Syndrom

  • AutismDad

    Its an effective cash cow

  • vernix

    I did. Read the posted article and many more like it available from a simple Google search.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/07/24/we-have-a-whooping-cough-vaccine-so-why-is-there-a-whooping-cough-outbreak/

  • Dahlia

    Awesome article!

  • 2

    Referring to your second point, vaccines cause B and T cells to proliferate, which leads to memory cell formation. For most people, this leads to immunity. The immune system would be able to attack the pathogen quickly and effectively in a subsequent exposure. For some people, immunization was not successful. The decision to vaccinate should be taken seriously. While it can be concerning that preservatives can cause negative effects, those who decline vaccination put others at risk who were unsuccessfully immunized.

  • AutismDad

    That link is garbage. All it really says is the old Pertusis vac caused many adverse reactions while the new one doesn’t work. How is that proof that those who want effective, safe vaccines are deadly to kids? Most people who complain about and avoid vaccines have already had a child victimized by these scary untrustable vials of crap, and have every right to complain. Its vac pushers who are at fault, they make, market and disregard the victims to the extent that parents everywhere are taking note and realizing vaccines maim and kill.

  • guest

    Troll. Try not to be so obvious.

  • AutismDad

    When people take vaccination “seriously” they are called quacks, nutters and anti-vaxxers. They are told if they take a vaccines they assume the risk. I’d call that a rock/hard place

  • AutismDad
  • vernix

    Your research skills are a bit crap. Ten dead babies from Whooping Cough. Totally preventable. Read up!

    Again, confirmation bias is very real. Look for information that challenges your assertions and beliefs and apply solid scientific reasoning to it. The Anti-Vaxx cult is very persuasive and appeals to emotions. But it is pseudo-science. All of it.

    http://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/features/california-whooping-cough-epidemic

  • guest

    For all the trolls and their minions that have come onsite to uptick their statements that don’t talk loud and say nothing. If you have data that disputes anything in this article, believe me everyone all eyes. Otherwise wise you’re just making noise. For all who keep harping about peer review journals this is what Ben Goldacre stated in his book. He states emphatically that peer reviews in a journal are worthless.

    Ben Goldacre states in his book “Bad Pharma”
    How Drug companies Misled Doctors and harm Patients:

    He writes in the introduction that the book aims to defend the following paragraph:

    Medicine is Broken.
    Drugs are tested by the people who manufacture them, in poorly
    designed trials, on hopelessly small numbers of weird, unrepresentative
    patients,
    and analyzed using techniques which are flawed by design, in such a way
    that they exaggerate the benefits of treatments. Unsurprisingly, these
    trials tend to produce results that favour the manufacturer. When trials
    throw up results that companies don’t like, they are perfectly entitled
    to hide them from doctors and patients, so we only ever see a distorted
    picture of any drug’s true effects. Regulators see most of the trial
    data, but only from early on in a drug’s life, and even then they don’t
    give this data to doctors or patients, or even to other parts of
    government. This distorted evidence is then communicated and applied in a distorted fashion. In their forty years of practice after leaving
    medical school, doctors hear about what works through ad hoc oral
    traditions, from sales reps, colleagues or journals. But those
    colleagues can be in the pay of drug companies – often undisclosed – and
    the journals are too. And so are the patient groups. And finally,
    academic papers, which everyone thinks of as objective, are often
    covertly planned and written by people who work directly for the
    companies, without disclosure. Sometimes whole academic journals are
    even owned outright by one drug company. Aside from all this, for
    several of the most important and enduring problems in medicine, we have
    no idea what the best treatment is, because it’s not in anyone’s financial interest toconduct
    any trials at all. These are ongoing problems, and although people have
    claimed to fix many of them, for the most part they have failed; so all
    these problems persist, but worse than ever, because now people can
    pretend that everything is fine after all.

    This is from a pharmaceutical industry insider and shrill.

  • AutismDad
  • marcdraco

    Wow – that’s biggest bunch of baloney I’ve read in a LONG time.

    Not a single reliable source of information is cited – and the author isn’t a doctor.

    WTG!

  • marcdraco

    “Troll” Says the anonymous b’stard who is too scared to put their name to the comment.

    If you unplug your stupid for a little while, “guest” you might actually do some research and discover that the man is telling the truth.

    Without vaccination we’d most likely be dead now. You almost certainly owe your life to vaccination.

  • vernix

    Use scientific sources, not pseudo-scientific crazy talk.

  • Andrew Gulak

    Ug, why are you guys feeding the troll? I thought we all knew better than this by now. I don’t vax. My kids aren’t dead. Nuff said.

  • Andrew Gulak

    CUZ THESE NIGGAS NEED OUR MONEY, THAT’S WHY!!

  • guest

    -Nobel Prize winner calls peer review “very distorted,” “completely corrupt,” and “simply a regression to the mean”
    http://retractionwatch.com/2014/03/03/nobel-prize-winner-calls-peer-review-very-distorted-completely-corrupt-and-simply-a-regression-to-the-mean/
    -Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/
    -Flacking for Big Pharma: Drugmakers don’t just compromise doctors; they also undermine top medical journals and skew medical research
    https://theamericanscholar.org/flacking-for-big-pharma/
    -Fraud in Breast-Cancer Trials
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199405193302015
    -How Academia and Publishing are Destroying Scientific Innovation: A Conversation with Sydney Brenner. Elizabeth Dzeng, Feb 24th
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1994041/
    -How Peer Review at Top-tier Journals is Flawed
    http://www.accreditedonlinecolleges.com/blog/2011/how-peer-review-at-top-tier-journals-is-flawed/
    -Flaws are found in validating medical studies. Many see need to overhaul standards for peer review:http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/diseases/articles/2005/08/15/flaws_are_found_in_validating_medical_studies/

  • AutismDad

    What a joke you are. Linking to vaccine pushing sites and claiming its the only truth out there. Get a clue.

  • abiochemist

    Total crap.The part that I find ironic is when claims are made that the vaccine movement is solely motivated by money from big pharma, when in reality the only paper against vaccines (the Lancet paper) was retracted and the PI had his MD stripped due to blatant conflicts of interest stemming from direct payments from a competing pharmaceutical company. You can’t make some of this stuff up, though plenty of folks try.

  • guest

    Another troll. Let’s see: abusive, becomes incredulous and indignant easily, uses name calling and ridicule. Also doesn’t provide any cogent information to move the discussion forward. Sole purpose is to distract.
    My user name is Shin1, what’s yours? I’m pretty sure your name isn’t marcdraco.

    “Without vaccination we’d most likely be dead now. You almost certainly owe your life to vaccination.”

    I’ve had one vaccine ever. The smallpox made me so ill I was in bed for two weeks afterward and it took over a month for the swelling to go down in my arm. It didn’t take and the pediatrician refused to administer it again. She was old school and recognized a vaccine reaction when she saw it. Because I had such a bad reaction to the smallpox vaccine I was not given polio. I don’t owe my life to vaccines and neither do my children who were not given vaccines because both of their parents experienced bad reactions to vaccines. My pediatrician was also my children’s pediatrician.

    As to vaccines being a “savior” in a syringe, please provide INDEPENDENT scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of
    populations. Just the name of the data/study/research and a link.

  • scientist

    Additionally, people not in science fail to realize that scientists never prove anything. In fact, we are happy to modify our hypotheses as our understanding advances. If anyone can administer a study that provides an alternative to vaccines that is as effective (on both a health and cost basis), they would have the cover of Science, Nature, and NEJM, not to mention a Lasker and Nobel. I’d take that, as would most folks. The unfortunate part is, real scientists can’t come up with anything better. We’ll keep trying though. That’s the beauty of science. It isn’t driven by agendas and opinions, just data and hypotheses. Nothing would make me happier than if rubbing radishes on your armpits could prevent diseases, as we could alleviate a lot of pain and suffering in this country and others. Too bad it doesn’t work. Vaccines do…

  • vernix

    I live in the world of science. You however seem to live in the fantasy world of pseudo-science where all medical journals, research universities, doctors, and pharmaceutical manufacturers are part of the “vax-pushers” conspiracy.

    Next thing you’ll probably tell me is the Wakefield fraud was “good science” and vaccines cause autism. What a load of horsecrap.

  • vernix

    They are also told of the far greater risk of contracting the illnesses in question. Most rational people choose to vaccinate.

  • AutismDad

    If you live in the “world of Science” you’d know better. I’m guessing you live in a cave because your assessment of the real world of science is flawed if not biased. When anger shows in posts its a sure sign the person is dishonest and emotional to the degree they will make statements that are pure nonsense. That means you.

  • AutismDad

    Did you write the book on pro-vaccine PLOPAGANDA?? You sure have it down pat.

  • vernix

    Don’t really know what you’re talking about. Science is what it is. It exists regardless of interpretation or assessment. No credible studies exist to support anything the anti-vax crowd is espousing. None.

    Since the entirety of the anti-vaxx conspiracy is based on patent dishonesty and pseudo-science, I think if you may want to take a look in the mirror. ;-)

  • vernix

    My name is not Pat. And as far as “quacks” go, if the shoe fits, wear it!

  • guest

    Hey, you made the statement so you should have the juice to back it up. Soooooo, where’s the research. Healthline is pharma funded and there is no supportive data that confirms people who chose not to vaccinate are causing outbreaks. In fact with the number of reports coming forward revealing the outbreaks around the world in highly populated populations, people are finally catching on and asking questions.

    Remember the 2010 whooping cough outbreak? Here is what the CDC had to say about that:
    Dr. Anne Schuchat: director for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases here at CDC.
    “We know there are places around the country where there are large numbers of people who aren’t vaccinated. However, we don’t think those exemptors are driving this current wave.”http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2012/t0719_pertussis_epidemic.html

    Nearly a century after the release of the whooping cough (B. pertussis) vaccine,mounting evidence suggests that widespread mandated use of the vaccine could potentially be doing more harm than good in the long term—in
    addition to having been found lacking in the effectiveness department. As reported by The Washington Post:

    “The research suggests that while the vaccine may
    keep people from getting sick, it doesn’t prevent them from spreading whooping cough — also known as pertussis — to others.

    ‘It could explain the increase in pertussis that we’re seeing in the US,’ said one of the researchers, Tod Merkel of the Food and Drug Administration…

    The “new wrinkle” revealed in the featured FDA baboon study is that while the vaccine can cut down on serious clinical disease symptoms, it doesn’t eliminate transmission of the disease. This busts a major hole in the entire argument that vaccines achieve herd immunity,
    which is used as justification for mandatory vaccination campaigns.

    According to the Washington Post:
    “'[I]t was thought that people only spread the disease when they had coughs and other symptoms,’ said Dr. Erik
    Hewlett, a University of Virginia whooping cough researcher who was not involved in the FDA study but has collaborated with Merkel.

    Lead author Tod Merkel did comment to the New York Times that when exposed to B. pertussis after recently getting vaccinated, you could be an asymptomatic carrier and infect others, saying:

    “When you’re newly vaccinated, you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the population.”

    Study: Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model,”http://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787

    *Vaccinated people are contagious. It’s called viral vaccine shedding:
    -Vaccine Shedding: vaccineriskawareness.com/Vaccine-Shedding
    *Measles Rash in 15 month old girl.
    A 15 month old white girl became unwell on the day after she received her MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) and
    pneumococcal vaccinations. These had initially been booked when she was 13 months old but were postponed twice owing to minor illnesses. On the day after her vaccinations she developed conjunctivitis, a cough, and fever, with gradual worsening of her symptoms over the next few days. Four days after the onset of symptoms,
    she refused food and had an episode of vomiting. The next day,small erythematous macules appeared behind her ears. Tiny white papules were present on the buccal mucosa. The eruption became papular and spread to her face, trunk, and limbs. The rash gradually became more confluent and maculopapular.
    BMJ 2012;345:e6973 doi: 10.1136/bmj.e6973 (Published 23 October 2012)

    *NY Measles outbreak: 26 cases total. 14 adults ad 12 children. Patient Zero is a 22 year old VACCINATED young lady who contracted measles in 2011. MSM articles spins this article the best they can for the critically thinking challenged. They don’t state the vaccination status of the adults but “alternative” sources say they were all vaccinated at least once. The children, 4 were too young to get the MMR, 6 were vaccinated and 2 unvaccinated. What does the MSM do? Focus on the 2 unvaccinated despite the fact that Patient Zero is VACCINATED. Statically that means at least 90% were vaccinated. Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011 *http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/58/9/1205

    *1985, Texas, USA: According to an article published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1987, “An outbreak of measles occurred among adolescents in Corpus Christi, Texas, in the spring of 1985, even though vaccination requirements for school
    attendance had been thoroughly enforced.” They concluded: “We conclude that outbreaks of measles can occur in secondary schools, even when more than 99
    percent of the students have been vaccinated and more than 95 percent are immune.”

    *1985, Montana, USA: According to an article published in the American Journal of Epidemiology titled, “A persistent outbreak of measles despite appropriate prevention and control measures,” an outbreak of 137 cases of
    measles occurred in Montana. School records indicated that 98.7% of students were appropriately vaccinated, leading the researchers to conclude: “This
    outbreak suggests that measles transmission may persist in some settings despite appropriate implementation of the current measles elimination strategy.”[9]

    *1988, Colorado, USA: According to an article published in the American Journal of Public Health in
    1991, “early 1988 an outbreak of 84 measles cases occurred at a college in Colorado in which over 98 percent of students had documentation of adequate measles immunity … due to an immunization requirement in effect since 1986. They concluded: “…measles outbreaks can occur among highly vaccinated college
    populations.”[10]

    *1989, Quebec, Canada: According to an article published in the Canadian Journal of Public Health in 1991, a 1989 measles outbreak was “largely attributed to an incomplete
    vaccination coverage,” but following an extensive review the researchers concluded “Incomplete vaccination coverage is not a valid explanation for the
    Quebec City measles outbreak.[11]

    *1991-1992, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: According to an article published in the journal Revista da Sociedade
    Brasileira de Medicina Tropical, in a measles outbreak from March 1991 to April 1992 in Rio de Janeiro, 76.4% of those suspected to be infected had received measles vaccine before their first birthday. [12]

    *1992, Cape Town, South Africa: According to an article published in the South African Medical Journal in 1994, “[In] August 1992 an outbreak occurred, with cases
    reported at many schools in children presumably immunised.” Immunization coverage for measles was found to be 91%, and vaccine efficacy found to be only
    79%, leading them to conclude that primary and secondary vaccine failure was a possible explanation for the outbreak.[13]

    *Mumps Outbreak Involved 97% Vaccinated Children: The New England Journal of Medicine has recently released the conclusions to the media manufactured mumps outbreak of 2009 which occurred in New York City, two upstate New York counties, and one New Jersey County. There were a total of 3,502 cases of salivary-gland swelling and other symptoms clinically compatible with mumps of which 1,648 were confirmed with clinical specimens. The results indicate that 97% of the cases tested involved students who have been previously vaccinated against the mumps and even more overwhelming is that 89% had receive two doses of the MMR vaccination which is claimed to provided immunity from the mumps.

    *California Whooping Cough outbreak: 91% fully vaccinated. “Most pediatric cases were vaccinated according to national recommendations, although 9% of those aged 6 months to 18 years were completely unvaccinated against pertussis. High disease rates also were observed in fully vaccinated preadolescents, especially 10-year-olds” Infants that died were not old enough to receive the DPT vaccine. California pertussis epidemic, 2010. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22819634

    *Measles (Rubeola) in Previously Immunized Children. PEDIATRICS Vol. 46 No. 3 September 1970, pp. 397-402.

    *Explosive school-based measles outbreak: intense exposure may have resulted in high risk, even among revaccinees. American Journal of Epidemiology 1998 Vol. 148, No. 11: 1103-1110.
    Paunio M, Peltola H, Valle M, Davidkin I, Virtanen M, Heinonen OP. Department of Public health, University of Helsinki, Finland.

    Please provide data that confirms that unvaccinated children are causing outbreaks. I’ve googled it and all I could find is pharma/government funded studies done by researchers who have ties to either the government, pharma or a medical establishment such as Harvard School of Medicine, Vanderbilt etc.

  • vernix

    “Please provide data that confirms that unvaccinated children are causing outbreaks. I’ve googled it and all I could find is pharma/government funded studies done by researchers who have ties to either the government, pharma or a medical establishment such as Harvard School of Medicine, Vanderbilt etc”

    In other words, you are asking me to show you proof of the sun’s existence without taking you outside and looking up.

    Sorry, I cannot meet your request because you’ve ruled out scientific evidence.

    You are insane.

  • AutismDad

    Maybe you should make an appointment with your psychiatrist, or at least visit an emergency ward. I suspect recent head trauma and concussion.

  • AutismDad

    Google the only name in Vaccine research. Buh wah ha ha

  • AutismDad

    You are making a fool of yourself. Please continue.

  • guest

    Ten dead babies from Whooping Cough. Totally preventable. Read up!

    You’re right, the deaths could have been prevented if the families of the children all had not gotten vaccinated as per the cocooning concept that was never tested.

    The 2010 California outbreak. Anne Schuchat, director for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at CDC stated at a news briefing this:

    “we know that people who are not vaccinated have about an eight times higher risk of disease than people who are vaccinated. We know there are places around the country where there are large numbers of people who aren’t vaccinated. However, we don’t think those exemptors are
    driving this current wave”. http://www.cdc (dot) gov/media/releases/2012/t0719_pertussis_epidemic.html

    The brainchild of 2010 was the cocooning theory. If you had an infant in the home that was too young to have the shot, everyone else in the family and extended family should have the shot.

    California Whooping Cough outbreak: 91% fully vaccinated. “Most pediatric cases were vaccinated according to national recommendations, although 9% of those aged 6 months to 18 years were completely unvaccinated against pertussis. High disease rates also were observed in fully vaccinated preadolescents, especially 10-year-olds”. Infants that died were not old enough to receive the DPT vaccine. California pertussis epidemic, 2010. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pubmed/22819634

    “Infants that died were not old enough to receive the DPT vaccine.”

    Remember: Tod Merkel stated that the whooping cough shot made people carriers or in plain English, they are contagious. Who do you think those infants caught whooping cough from? Mom, Dad, sister, brother, grandparents-anyone who had the shot.

    (Merkel is a researcher at the FDA)

    “When you’re newly vaccinated, you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the population.”

    “These data suggest that cocooning is unlikely to be an effective strategy to reduce the burden of pertussis in infants.” “Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model,”

    Bottom line-the family members were contagious and those beautiful babies contracted the whooping cough from family and family utilized a strategy that had never been tested. This was the CDC/Vaccine makers test group. Other countries adopted this approach and have now labeled it a complete failure.

    Whooping Cough Vaccination Makes You an ‘Asymptomatic Carrier’
    The study, titled: “Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model,” used infant baboons to test the hypothesis that“current acellular pertussis vaccines fail to prevent colonization and transmission” of B. pertussis.

    As of June 30, 2012, Australia officially abandoned its funding of the cocooning strategy because clinical evidence has shown it not to be effective at protecting infants:
    PARENTS across Australia will no longer receive free whooping cough vaccinations because it is not effective in protecting newborns from the potentially deadly illness, a parliamentary committee has heard.
    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/states-ending-free-parent-whooping-vaccine/story-e6frfku0-1226350174856

    Live virus vaccines shed: You will never look at vaccinated children the same!- Shedding Viruses-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKSeiAs_A4w.

    Also, this online booklet explains in detail Viral Vaccine Shedding: The Emerging Risks of Live Virus & Virus Vectored Vaccines: http://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/Live-Virus-Vaccines-and-Vaccine-Shedding.pdf. Heavily cited using the CDC’s own studies.

  • AutismDad

    Enjoy those shoes too. Clown shoes, to match your outfit.

  • AutismDad

    credible and peer reviewed, sure signs they are bought and sold by Big Pharma. Science is big money and proprietory/ patented product makes owners and stockholders rich. Ripe for abuse.

  • AutismDad

    Blowin a gasket

  • vernix

    Oooh, that’s a GREAT comeback! I resign in defeat.

  • AutismDad

    Is that all you have? Wakefield’s 12 child medical intervention? Wakefield who RECOMMENDED single dose vaccines is the anti-vaccine messiah? Nice invention of him having some imaginary conflict of interest from a competing company. NEVER happened. Got any other B.S. to share?

  • AutismDad

    Another pseudo scientist. AKA imposter. Why not a doctor or Paul Offit himself? Hell if you are going to commit fraud go all the way!!!

  • Not an idiot

    The silliness of telling people, “The decision to vaccinate is yours alone, but it is a decision that should not be taken lightly or done under duress or pressure by others…” Then you go straight on to pressure people not to vaccinate. If you really believe in not pressuring others, go tell them to ask their doctor for all the reasons in favor of vaccination. If you can’t do that you are a fake.

    The claims that American businesses and doctors are pro-vaccine only because they can make money is ridiculous. Go outside the US to countries where health care isn’t for profit and doctors are just as pro-vaccine as here. In fact, some countries don’t let you opt out at all because there is zero real world evidence for your above claims. Your “research” above isn’t research at all, but just a combination of cherry picking, and misrepresentation.

  • AutismDad

    Now go back to your puzzle and ask your aid for some warm milk to help you go to sleep.

  • vernix

    Wow! Another great one. You misspelled “aide” though, but I love ya even more! God bless you anti-vax nutjob whackos!

  • eli

    Plus the fact that vaccinations make up a tiny portion of profits of “Big Pharma”

  • AutismDad

    Enjoy your puzzle. You may want to get your meds uped or even changed.

  • vernix

    Andrew Wakefield’s heart is broken because his study was a fabricated, fraudulent mess that led a whole group of people to believe that autism was caused by vaccinations.

  • eli

    I loved the one about there being no double blind tests. Of course there aren’t- it’d be unethical to intentionally expose children to diseases (particularly the placebo control group).

  • vernix

    You mean like Andrew Wakefield did?

    http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5347

  • vernix

    Andrew Wakefield was well-funded too.

  • vernix

    I solved the puzzle! The correct answer was “Andrew Wakefield”. The question was “Who committed academic fraud by falsifying a study connecting Autism to Vaccines?”

  • vernix

    Well the whole “vaccine-induced autism” fraud was Wakefield’s baby, so um yeah.

  • vernix

    Yes, when you can’t refute the science, refute the scientific method! What’s it like living in your cave? Do you paint pretty pictures on the wall?

  • guest

    -Medical journals and pharmaceutical companies: uneasy bedfellows:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1126057/
    -Elsevier published 6 fake journals:
    http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/27383/title/Elsevier-published-6-fake-journals/
    -Medical Journals Are an Extension of the Marketing Arm of Pharmaceutical Companies: http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0020138

    -Science for Sale: Protect Yourself From Medical Research Deception
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dangerous-spin-doctors-7-_b_747325.html

    A recent study in the Journal of the American Medical Association
    found over 40 percent of the best designed, peer-reviewed scientific
    papers published in the world’s top medical journals misrepresented the
    actual findings of the research.(i) The “spin doctors” writing the papers found a way to show treatments worked, when in fact, they didn’t.

    Doctors and health care consumers rely on published scientific studies to guide their decisions about which treatments work and which don’t. We expect academic medical researchers to determine what needs to be studied, and to objectively report their data. We rely on government regulators to prevent harmful medications from being approved, or to quickly remove harmful medications or treatments from the market.

    What most physicians and consumers don’t recognize is that science is now for sale; published data often misrepresents the truth, academic medical research has become corrupted by pharmaceutical money and special interests, and government regulators more often protect industry than the public. Increasingly, academic medical researchers are for hire, and research, once a pure activity of inquiry, is now a tool for promoting
    products.

    “the vaccine movement is solely motivated by money from big pharma,”

    Vaccines are a multi-billion dollar industry.
    -Pfizer: pneumococcal 2013: $3.76 billion 2020: $6.08 billion
    -Sanofi: DPT, Hep B, Polio, Tetanus. 2013: $153 billion $2.34 billion.
    -Merck: Gardasil. 2013: $1.83 billion 2020: $2.06 billion
    -Sanofi: Fluzone. 2013: $1.23 billion 2020: $1.82billion
    -GSK: Diphtheria; tetanus; pertussis/whooping cough; hepatitis B; polio. 2013: $1.35 billion 2020: $1.72
    EvaluatePharma predicts combined profits for ALL vaccine makers by 2020 will exceed 360 Billion.

    If vaccines worked,were safe and effective why did the vaccine industry threaten the government that they would stop making vaccines in this county (which also would stop donations to their paid for representatives in the house and senate) if they did not give them blanket immunity from lawsuits in 1986.

    Pharma OWNS the government and it has all it’s people in key positions to make decisions on their behalf. If they don’t want studies or report published in a journal all they have to do is tell them they are going to stop with their “gifts” to that particular journal.

  • guest

    http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2012/503.html
    England and Wales High Court (Administrative Court)
    Decision Between:
    PROFESSOR JOHN WALKER-SMITH
    Appellant- and -GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL
    Respondent
    ____________________

    MR STEPHEN MILLER QC AND MS ANDREA LINDSAY-STRUGO (instructed by EASTWOODS SOLICITORS) for the Appellant MISS JOANNA GLYNN QC AND MR
    CHRISTOPHER MELLOR (instructed by FIELD FISHER WATERHOUSE LLP) for the RespondentHearing dates: 13th. 14th, 15th, 16th & 17th February 2012

    ____________________

    But following the successful appeal of the paper’s senior clinical investigator – John Walker-Smith – the GMC findings that served as the basis for Lancet’s retraction have since been overturned.

    With regard to the GMC’s false claims that the patients in the paper were not “consecutively referred”:

    “157. …Thus construed, this paper does not bear the meaning put upon it by the [GMC] panel. The phrase “consecutively referred” means no more than that the
    children were referred successively, rather than as a single batch, to the Department of Paediatric Gastroenterology.”

    Similarly, the GMC’s rulings that the children in the Lancet paper were subjects of a research project that did not gain ethical approval also proved unfounded:

    “158. …The [GMC] panel’s finding that the description of the patient population in the Lancet paper was misleading would only have been justified if its primary finding that all of the Lancet children were referred for the purposes of research as part of Project 172-96 is sustainable. Because, for the reasons which I have given, it was not, this aspect of its findings must also fall.”

    http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admi/2012/503.html

    The judge found only one misleading statement in the paper, but it was not because investigations undertaken were unethical experiments described as gaining ethical approval in the paper according to the now-overturned findings on which the paper’s retraction was based. On the contrary, it was because investigations in the paper were described as being ethically approved when most were clinically indicated and required no such approval, although a few investigations were ethically approved. This may require an erratum, but it does not justify keeping the paper fully retracted.

    My research has indicated that Wakefield’s only public statement on the matter occurred during a single press interview, sometime in the late 90’s where the interviewing press person asked a series of leading questions and Wakefield simply made a recommendation that people utilize the single shot. However, I wasn’t “there” so I don’t know for sure. Is there some evidence that Wakefield
    was actively DEMANDING that the U.K. utilize the single shots? I just don’t think that was really the situation and that statement may be misleading. It was the press, in response to Wakefield’s one-time recommendation to err on the side of caution. Also, the letter above states that the retracted Lancet report… it was an “early report” of the clinical findings of the 12 children undergoing treatment by Smith… the report did NOT contain a hypothesis about a link between MMR & autism. I will admit that the hypothesis of the connection of autism to the MMR could be applied to further studies using the scientific method based on the observations reported in the Lancet paper, however, the paper clearly stated that the “official conclusion” was that there was an environmental link.

    I would also like to remind everyone, or anyone new to this subject, that Wakefield claims that he and the other writers of the retracted paper, were asked to remove their reporting of the parents claims. I think it was 9 of the
    12 PARENTS claimed that their children adversely regressed within a short time following their MMR vaccines. Three of the scientists/doctors involved in the
    writing of the paper refused to remove the information about the parents claims. The other writers eventually removed their names from the paper. Wakefield was
    fired, then YEARS LATER out of the blue, accused of misconduct by a journalist. None of the parents who worked with Wakefield and Smith, filed any complaint
    about misconduct by Wakefield or Smith. Smith and Wakefield went up in front of the General Medical Counsel and had their licenses revoked. NONE of the “science” of the paper was EVER found to be “fraudulent” and ALL the children were actually IMPROVING under the care of Smith & with Wakefield’s research efforts. They lost their licenses because the GMC decided that they did not get
    the proper signatures somewhere along the way. Eventually, Smith appealed the ruling by the GMC and his license was reinstated. Wakefield is working to file
    for libel against the journalist & another medical journal that published the journalists false accusations against him.

    http://www.autisminvestigated.com/category/fraud/page/2/

  • eli

    It’s called herd immunity. The very small percentage of people that get bad reactions to vaccinations are protected when the majority of the population is vaccinated. I’m not entirely sure what you mean by “independent” but it’s probably a way you can deny any of the 1000s of studies showing the effectiveness of vaccines. Regardless, here’s on such study, “The Global Value of Vaccination” http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X02006230

  • guest

    Paul Offit aka Dr. Mengala.

  • vernix

    Wow, Wakefield the fraud is actually your hero! You are truly an insane apologist, my anonymous nutjob friend!

  • eli

    To conduct a human double blind study, you’d have to give 1/2 of the kids the vaccine and the other half a fake vaccine. Then you’d have to expose all of them to HPV. This is unethical and not allowed. Recent research shows that states with higher levels of HPV vaccination rates have lower cervical cancer rates.

  • eli

    No one, even the most pro-vaccination person on the planet, believes that vaccinations have no risks. However, the risks of vaccinating are very small compared to the risks of not vaccinating for most people.

  • guest

    They don’t have to expose children to vaccines for a test. Thousands have offered to be part of a study including Amish children and the children from Mayer Eisenstein, MD, JD, MPH, Home First Center which has almost 50,000 non-vaccinated children.

  • guest

    Is that suppose to upset me? Think again. Or try again. There are no heros in this controversy. Only victims-the children who are vaccine damaged. Also, the children who are continuing to be pumped full of a toxic slurry under the guise of “preventing childhood illness” that if contracted naturally will strengthen their immune systems and provide them with lifelong immunity. By the way, are you up to date on your adult vaccines? http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/adult/adult-schedule-easy-read.pdf

  • vernix

    Wakefield lied and manipulated ALL twelve of his subjects’ data, backgrounds, and records. Yet here you are with your toxic slurry and a staunch apologist defense of your hero the fraud. Sweet.

  • Fighting for kids health

    This is complete crap. None of these claims are cited by any peer
    reviewed journals or academic literature! They even cited themselves
    under number 2. How can people be so stupid? Vaccines DO work and if you
    don’t vaccinate your kids you are greatly increasing their chance of
    dying (which is child abuse) and there should be consequences. I hope
    unvaccinated children aren’t allowed to enter the school systems soon so
    their idiotic parents get the message. They deserve a chance at life
    without having to worry about the measles, rubella, polio etc!! The
    “doctor” who originally claimed vaccines cause autism even admitted he
    was wrong yet people still go along with this baloney. How about you
    read a few articles backed up by real doctors and scientists instead of
    forcing this fake nonsense down people’s throats.

  • eli

    Anecdotes aren’t data for a reason. I was fully vaccinated and have no health problems whatsoever. That doesn’t mean vaccinations prevented me from getting digestive issues anymore than not vaccinating your child led to them not getting digestive issues.

  • eli

    I did. Matt Cash was right- vaccines don’t cause cancer. When SV40 was injected (into hamsters), it caused cancer. When ingested orally, they found no evidence (as in none, zero) it caused cancer.

  • guest

    Research that confirms Wakefield’s findings:
    -How Mercury Destroys the Brain – University of Calgary
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtFsy0rQsak

    -Peer Reviewed Papers Support Findings
    The following peer-reviewed papers support the findings of
    the original work by Wakefield and colleagues at the Royal Free Hospital in the UK:
    1) Furlano R, Anthony A, Day R, Brown A, Mc Garvey L, Thomson M, et al. Colonic CD8 and T cell filtration with epithelial damage in children with autism. J Pediatr 2001;138:366-72.
    2) Torrente F., Machado N., Perez-Machado M., Furlano R., Thomson M., Davies S., Wakefield AJ, Walker-Smith JA, Murch SH. Enteropathy withT cell infiltration and epithelial IgG deposition in autism. Molecular Psychiatry. 2002;7:375-382.
    3) Ashwood P, Murch SH, Anthony A, Hayes C, Machado MP, Torrente F, Thomson MA, Heuschkel R, Wakefield AJ., Mucosal and peripheral blood lymphocyte cytokine profiles in children with regressive autism and gastrointestinal symptoms: Mucosal immune activation and reduced counter regulatory interleukin-10. Gastroenterol. 2002;122 (Suppl):A617
    4) Ashwood P, Anthony A, Torrente F, Wakefield AJ. Spontaneous
    mucosal lymphocyte cytokine profiles in children with autism and
    gastrointestinal symptoms: mucosal immune activation and reduced counterregulatory interleukin-10. J Clin Immunol. 2004;24(6):664-73.
    5) Wakefield AJ., Puleston J. Montgomery SM., Anthony A., O’Leary J.J., Murch SH Entero-colonic encephalopathy, autism and opioid receptor ligands. Alimentary Pharmacology & Therapeutics. 2002;16:663-674
    6) Wakefield AJ. The Gut-Brain Axis in Childhood developmental
    Disorders. Journal of Pediatric Gastroenterology and Nutrition.
    2002;34:S14-S17
    7) Uhlmann V, Martin CM, Sheils O, Pilkington L, Silva I, Killalea A,Murch SH, Wakefield AJ, O’Leary JJ., Potential viral pathogenic
    mechanism for new variant inflammatory bowel disease. Molecular
    Pathology 2002;55:84-90
    8) Ashwood P, Anthony A, Pellicer AA, Torrente F, Wakefield AJ.
    Intestinal lymphocyte populations in children with regressive autism: evidence for extensive mucosal immunopathology. Journal of Clinical Immunology, 2003;23:504-517.
    9) Torrente F, Anthony A, Heuschkel RB, Thomson MA, Ashwood P, Murch SH. Focal-enhanced gastritis in regressive autism with features distinctfrom Crohn’s and Helicobacter pylori gastritis. Am J Gastroenterol. 2004;99:598-605
    10) Ashwood P, Wakefield AJ. Immune activation of peripheral blood and mucosal CD3+ lymphocyte cytokine profiles in children with autism and gastrointestinal symptoms. J Neuroimmunol. 2006;173(1-2):126-34.

    11) Wakefield AJ, Ashwood P, Limb K, Anthony A. The significance of ileo-colonic lymphoid nodular hyperplasia in children with autistic spectrum disorder. Eur J Gastroenterol Hepatol. 2005 Aug;17(8):827-36.
    The following two peer-reviewed papers from the Royal Free
    Hospital in the UK were withdrawn for political reasons, but the scienceremains valid and relevant
    1) Wakefield AJ, Murch SM, Anthony A et al., Ileal- lymphoid- nodular Hyperplasia, Non- specific Colitis, and Pervasive Developmental Disorder in Children, The Lancet, 1998, 351(9103): 637– 41.
    2) Wakefield AJ, Anthony A, Murch SH, Thomson M, Montgomery SM, Davies S, Walker-Smith JA. Enterocolitis in children with developmental disorder. American Journal of Gastroenterology 2000;95:2285-2295.
    The following peer-reviewed papers duplicate Dr. Wakefield’s
    original findings in five additional countries, including the US, Italy,
    Venezuela, Canada and Poland:
    1) Gonzalez, L. et al., Endoscopic and Histological Characteristics
    of the Digestive Mucosa in Autistic Children with gastro-Intestinal
    Symptoms. Arch Venez Pueric Pediatr, 2005;69:19-25.
    2) Balzola, F., et al., Panenteric IBD-like disease in a patient
    with regressive autism shown for the first time by wireless capsule
    enteroscopy: Another piece in the jig-saw of the gut-brain syndrome? American Journal of Gastroenterology, 2005. 100(4): p. 979- 981.
    3) Balzola F et al . Autistic enterocolitis: confirmation of a new
    inflammatory bowel disease in an Italian cohort of patients.
    Gastroenterology 2005;128(Suppl. 2);A-303.
    4) Krigsman A, Boris M, Goldblatt A, Stott C. Clinical Presentation
    and Histologic Findings at Ileocolonoscopy in Children with Autistic Spectrum Disorder and Chronic Gastrointestinal Symptoms. Autism Insights. 2009;1:1–11.
    5) Horvath K., Papadimitriou J.C., Rabsztyn A., Drachenberg C.,
    Tildon J.T. 1999. Gastrointestinal abnormalities in children with
    autism. J. Pediatrics 135: 559-563.
    6) Sabra S, Bellanti JA, Colon AR. Ileal lymphoid hyperplasia,
    non-specific colitis and pervasive developmental disorder in children. The Lancet 1998;352:234-5.
    7) Sabra A, Hartman D, Zeligs BJ et al., Linkage of
    ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia (ILNH), food allergy and CNS
    developmental abnormalities: evidence for a non-IgE association, Ann Allergy Asthma Immunol, 1999;82:8
    8) Galiatsatos P, Gologan A, Lamoureux E, Autistic enterocolitis: Fact or fiction? Can J Gastroenterol. 2009:23:95-98
    9) Jarocka-Cyrta et al. Brief report: eosinophilic esophagitis as a
    cause of feeding problems in an autistic boy. The first reported case.J.Aut. Dev. Disord. Online July 10, 2010
    The following articles support the importance of recognizing and treating gastrointestinal symptoms in autistic children:
    1) Buie T, et al. Pediatrics. 2010 Jan;125 Suppl 1:S19-29.
    Recommendations for evaluation and treatment of common gastrointestinal problems in children with ASDs.

    2) Buie T, et al. Pediatrics. 2010 Jan;125 Suppl 1:S1-18.
    Evaluation, diagnosis, and treatment of gastrointestinal disorders in individuals with ASDs: a consensus report.
    The following peer-reviewed papers provide further support
    for gastrointestinal disturbances involving the immune system in autism.
    1) Jyonouchi H., Sun S., Lee H. 2001. Proinflammatory and regulatory cytokine production associated with innate and adaptive immune responses in children with autism spectrum disorders and developmental regression. J. Neuroimmunol. 120(1-2):170-9
    2) Jyonouchi H, Geng L, Ruby A, Zimmerman-Bier B. Dysregulated Innate Immune Responses in Young Children with Autism Spectrum Disorders:
    Their Relationship to Gastrointestinal Symptoms and Dietary Intervention. Neuropsychobiology. 2005;28:5177-85
    3) Jyonouchi H, Geng L, Ruby A, Reddy C, Zimmerman-Bier B. Evaluation of an association between gastrointestinal symptoms and cytokine production against common dietary proteins in children with autism spectrum disorders. J Pediatr.2005;146(5):605-10.
    4) Jyonouchi H, Sun S, Itokazu N. Innate immunity associated with
    inflammatory responses and cytokine production against common dietary proteins in patients with autism spectrum disorder. Neuropsychobiology. 2002;46(2):76-84.
    5) Vojdani A, O’Bryan T, Green JA, McCandless J, Woeller KN, Vojdani E, Nourian AA, Cooper EL. Immune response to dietary proteins, gliadin and cerebellar peptides in children with autism. Nutr. Neurosci. 2004;7:151-61.
    6) Whiteley P, Haracopos D, Knivsberg AM, Reichelt KL, Parlar S,
    Jacobsen J, Seim A, Pedersen L, Schondel M, Shattock P. The ScanBrit randomised, controlled, single-blind study of a gluten- and casein-free dietary intervention for children with autism spectrum disorders. Nutr Neurosci. 2010;13(2):87-100.
    7) Knivsberg AM, Reichelt KL, Høien T, Nødland M. A randomised,
    controlled study of dietary intervention in autistic syndromes. Nutr
    Neurosci. 2002;5(4):251-61.
    8) Balzola F, et al. Beneficial behavioural effects of IBD therapy
    and gluten/casein-free diet in an Italian cohort of patients with
    autistic enterocolitis followed over one year. Gastroenterology
    2008;4:S1364.
    9) Valicenti-McDermott M., McVicar K., Rapin I., et al., Frequency ofGastrointestinal Symptoms in Children with Autistic Spectrum Disorders and Association with Family History of Autoimmune Disease. Developmentaland Behavioral Pediatrics. 2006;27:128-136
    10) Chen B, Girgis S, El-Matary W. Childhood Autism and Eosinophilic Colitis. Digestion 2010;18:127-129
    11) Sandler R, Finegold SM., Bolte ER., et al. Short-term benefit
    from oral vancomycin treatment of regressive-onset autism. J Child Neurol. 2000;15:429-435
    -Frank B. Engley, Jr., PhD – A Pioneer in the research of Thimerosal Efficacy and Toxicity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR1sY5jd8jI
    -B-Lymphocytes from a Population of Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder and Their Unaffected Siblings Exhibit Hypersensitivity to Thimerosal, published in the Journal of Toxicology. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/
    -Thimerosal Exposure and the Role of Sulfation Chemistry and Thiol Availability in Autism. Int. J. Environ. Res. Public Health 2013, 10, 3771-3800. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3774468/
    -Thimerosal Papers. Papers Showing a Connection Between Thimerosal Exposure and Neurological Harm: http://www.ashotoftruth.org/thimerosal-papers

    -Former science chief: ‘MMR fears coming true:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-376203/Former-science-chief-MMR-fears-coming-true.html

    There are no heroes, only victims-the vaccine damaged children.

  • vernix

    “There are no heroes, only victims-the vaccine damaged children.”

    And the unvaccinated disease-damaged and/or dead children. Don’t forget those!

  • guest

    Well, if you read the the court documents which can be found via the title you will read that:

    “lied and manipulated ALL twelve of his subjects’ data, backgrounds, and records”

    was never part of the case. Also, from the case file at the link:http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2012/503.html

    The judge found only one misleading statement in the paper, but it was not because investigations undertaken were unethical experiments described as gaining ethical approval in the paper according to the now-overturned findings on which the paper’s retraction was based. On the contrary, it was because investigations in the paper were described as being ethically approved when most
    were clinically indicated and required no such approval, although a few investigations were ethically approved. This may require an erratum, but it does not justify keeping the paper fully retracted.

    Statement by Isabella Thomas, *mother of two boys who were part of the Lancet Study

    “It is now time for the truth to be told”

    I, as a parent of two children in the Lancet study, have had
    to speak out about the vicious attacks on Dr. Andrew Wakefield by his own government, the US government and the media blaming him for the measles outbreak in Wales. The Lancet study was not paid for by the Legal Services
    Commission and our children were referred to the Royal Free Hospital because they were very sick and would still have had investigations done even if they were not part of the Lancet research as many more children have done after the Lancet study by other consultants at the Royal Free and other hospitals in London.

    Dr. Andrew Wakefield listened to the concerns of many
    parents about their sick children suffering with bowel conditions and a form of Autism, a bowel condition and brain damage that was ignored by other professionals.
    These parents were demonstrably ‘black listed’ for saying their children became ill after the MMR vaccine.

    Parents were speaking about this situation years before Dr. Wakefield came on the scene and our government also knew about these concerns years before the Lancet study yet they did nothing to investigate, leaving hundreds of other children at risk of side effects. Our government did not listen to parents but accused them of making the symptoms up and threatening to take their children away if they did not stop making a connection with MMR
    vaccine. As a result, these children and young adults live in a great deal of pain to this day (one doctor saying to my son ‘we believe you believe you are in pain’).

    Read the remainder of the statement at:
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/04/statement-isabella-thomas-mother-of-2-lancet-study-children.html
    It is quite long.
    also:
    No Parent Ever Complained to the GMC: a Public Statement from the Lancet Families Supports The MMR3 (Dr. Wakefield, Prof. Murch, Prof.Walker-Smith.) “All of the investigations were carried out without distress to our children, many of whom made great improvements on treatment so that for the first time in years they were finally pain free.”

    An Open Letter To Whom It May Concern:
    We are writing to you as parents of the children who, because of their symptoms of inflammatory bowel disease and associated autism, were seen at the Royal Free Hospital Paediatric Gastroenterology Unit by Professor
    Walker-Smith and Dr. Simon Murch with the involvement of Dr Andrew Wakefield on the research side of their investigations. Our children became the subjects of a paper published in The Lancet in 1998.

    (remainder of letter)
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/02/no-parent-ever-complained-to-gmc-public-statement-from-lancet-families-supports-the-mmr3.html

  • guest

    apologist

    If I was an apologist you’d be able to factually disprove everything I’ve posted, yet you haven’t. Why don’t you ask me my position? OK, I’ll tell you. Informed Consent-which is a federal law that is violated everyday by the medical community that pushes vaccines as well as other drugs. If you want to vaccinated, that’s your business. Well, not yours because you’re a paid operative. Any parent that wants to vaccinate-it’s their business. If they don’t, it’s their business. However, the medical community should follow the federal law of informed consent.

  • Joannalh

    11. Because you don’t mind if your child dies of a preventable disease.
    12. Because health information from strangers on the Internet must be true.

  • Guest

    This is the biggest piece of bullshit a better read on the Interne

  • This is the biggest piece of bullshit I’ve ever read on the Internet.

  • vernix

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

    “The most damaging medical hoax of the past 100 years.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21917556

    Manipulated or misrepresented:

    “In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editors said:

    Clear evidence of falsification of data should now close the door on this damaging vaccine scare … Who perpetrated this fraud? There is no doubt that it was Wakefield. Is it possible that he was wrong, but not dishonest: that he was so incompetent that he was unable to fairly describe the project, or to report even one of the 12 children’s cases accurately? No. A great deal of thought and effort must have gone into drafting the paper to achieve the results he wanted: the discrepancies all led in one direction; misreporting was gross. Moreover, although the scale of the GMC’s 217 day hearing precluded additional charges focused directly on the fraud, the panel found him guilty of dishonesty concerning the study’s admissions criteria, its funding by the Legal Aid Board, and his statements about it afterwards.[1]

    But hey anonymous guest, keep spinning your web of lies and apologies. You are defending a fraud, which makes you a party to the perpetuation of a fraud. A fraud that kills children. Congrats!

  • Really?

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine (80 to 90% failure rate in the vaccinated, and THIS is the story that the CDC and Paul Offit are not telling you).
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    Find out what your 49 doses of 14 to 16 vaccines for the age of 6 are actually made of.

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    Vaccine caused Ischemia/Hypoxia
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-caused-ischemiahypoxia.html

  • (Dr.) Paul Offit- The Real Truth (otherwise better known as,”Dr. Proffit”)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/paul-offit—the-real-truth.html

    The Attempted Suppression of and the Silencing of the Vaccine Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-suppression-and-silencing-of-the-vaccine-truth-and-reality.html

  • A very accurate assessment of the real situation with the provaccine pushers.
    By Julie Obradovic

    1. They believe there is an anti-vaccine movement.
    2. Anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot.
    3. They falsely blame Dr. Wakefield for everything.
    4. They just don’t get it.
    5. They repeatedly distort or exaggerate the facts.
    6. They pretend to be the gatekeepers of science.
    7. They fail to acknowledge the context of the controversy.
    8. They over-simplify the problem
    9. They have no hypothesis.
    10. They have an excuse for everything.
    11. They fail to recognize their tactics aren’t working.

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/02/the-trouble-with-the-anti-anti-vaccine-movement-how-they-hijack-the-issue-distort-the-facts-and-tota.html

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

  • No, you lied and simply re-parroted and promoted the false propaganda YOU were fed, period.

  • Your lies and false information are clearly refuted by the truth! Wake up.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/dr-andrew-wakefield—mmr-vaccine—truth-and-reality.html

  • Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • kelly

    Links to other anti-vac websites does not a citation make…

  • Trevzero

    No scholarly articles cited, no science journals, no Physician or Pediatrician statements? Or did I miss those?

  • Fighting for kids health

    And “vac facts” is somehow a reliable source? This is exactly
    what I’m talking about. Using random websites created by any average joe. Links to other anti-vac sites does not make for proper citation. Peer reviewed articles mean reviewed and evaluated by academic scholars, people who have done research and have physical evidence. Try using sources such as PubMed.

    It yields results like this:

    School-located influenza vaccination reduces community risk for influenza and influenza-like illness emergency care visits: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25489850

    National, state, and selected local area vaccination coverage among children aged 19-35 months – United States, 2013:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25166924

    Get your facts straight. Stop children from dying from preventable diseases!! For their sake and for the sake of all the other children they can infect.

  • AutismDad

    vernix cites wikipedia a few posts ago….snicker. Another butthead who spouts media level knowledge.

  • vernix

    Oh look, another fraudster.

  • AutismDad

    Another Duh Moment. Did you finish your puzzle? Did your AIDE wipe the pudding off your chin too?

  • vernix

    Andrew Wakefield, the liar and con man – the face of the anti-vaxx cult.

  • vernix

    That insult was so good it gave me autism! I’ll have to go get some vaccinations to counter it!

  • AutismDad

    WOW so dumb. Health care is always about profit. At least on planet Earth. So does a pediatrician receive payment AND bonuses for vaccinations? Are they wooed by Pharmaceutical sales reps and offered perks? No need to answer its yes.

  • AutismDad

    Translation:…DUH!

  • vernix

    Hey, seriously man. I think I saw a pharmacologist sneak into your house. You better go check before he vaccinates your dog. Quick now!

  • AutismDad

    And I solved the puzzle of what your middle name should be…MORON. Wakefield NEVER did a study meant to connect vaccines and autism. If you weren’t so frickin stupid you’d know that. He suggested single vaccines should be considered while further study took place. Thats when James Murdoch who sat on GSK’S board Brian Deer and used the Murdoch media empire and their rich and powerful friends to make sure NO ONE dis further study.

  • AutismDad

    What’s the matter vermin not enjoying having your face rubbed in the crap you post?

  • AutismDad

    Be my guest. Become a volunteer vaccine tester. Apropo

  • AutismDad

    Spoken like a pure agitating troll.

  • AutismDad

    a troll by any other name would smell just as bad

  • AutismDad

    vermin is a troll or is it troll is a vermin?

  • AutismDad

    wikipedia….snicker

  • vernix

    Wakefield made a conclusion that mmr might cause autism. Why would you lie about this?

  • John Hanson

    Murderers!

  • vernix

    Truth hurts, don’t it Autie? You worship at the feet of a charlatan.

  • Utstroh

    How many studies will you find saying that no double blind placebo controlled studies exist? Find some scholarly articles and journals
    etc that conflict with the article then come back and make your case.

  • Utstroh

    Please be more specific and maybe you’ll change some minds.

  • Utstroh

    13 Which preventable disease is killing the unvaccinated at such a rate that the proven and relatively common risks associated with vaccines make that gamble worth it?

    14 health information from strangers that aren’t on the internet but have a financial interest in selling you vaccines must be true?

  • Utstroh

    Andrew wakefield’s partners license was reinstated. “Doctor” wakefield couldn’t afford the lawsuit with in the time period required to save his license. A cdc whistleblower even apologized to wakefield. http://truthbarrier.com/2014/09/02/breaking-news-cdc-whistleblower-text-messages-to-andy-wakefield-study-would-have-supported-his-scientific-opinion/

    Dr wakefield never said vaccines “cause” autism. He said they can cause problems in the gut and these problems were being found in kids with autism.

  • Utstroh

    How many children are dying from preventable diseases? Read the insert and risks for any vaccine. Peer reviewed research has been proven to be compromised by money as well. Choose to believe those with a financial interest or those with out one but don’t use your BS talking points to try and force poison into others.

  • Utstroh

    OK share the link to this double blind placebo controlled study. Should be one for every vaccine if your assumption is correct. We’ll wait here.

  • Utstroh

    Wakefield is pro vaccine.

  • Utstroh

    The vaccine inserts with their risks and warnings is a paper that makes a pretty good case against vaccines. If vaccines are so safe and effective then why are they immune to lawsuits that their products may cause? No other important drug is?

  • Utstroh

    Why did wakefield’s partner get his license reinstated?

  • Utstroh

    The most impressive aspect of this discussion is how deeply those that support vaccines care about those that choose not to take them. The time they invest in trying to convince the vaccine free to take them by insulting them is so impressive and a true display of concern for their fellow humans. You would think that people that believe vaccines to be safe and effective would take them and get on with their lives but not the few here. These elite vaccine users can’t help but insist in the rudest ways that the risk they take is worth it to everyone.

    Vaccine pushers… I salute you!

  • vernix

    Because it was revealed that there was a vast conspiracy by medical researchers, doctors, lawyers, pharmacologists, teachers, and a three-legged dog against him? Naw.

    Apparently Walker-Smith was one of many dragged down by Saint Wakefield. *shrug*

    The real question is why Wakefield didn’t appeal the GMC as well if he was so innocent (like Walker-Smith).

    Also, if Deer is the lying anti-christ to Wakefield’s Mother Teresa act, why have all of Andy’s (frivolous) defamation lawsuits been dismissed (laughed out of court)?

  • Fighting for kids health

    Andrew Wakefield is a FORMER doctor and medical researcher. Stripped of his license for discredited claims on the Lancet paper. No medical researchers have been able to confirm his findings. But go ahead, believe his bullshit along with all of the other anti vaccine activists. Even if diseases like Autism were somehow linked to vaccines (WHICH THEY ARE NOT), wouldn’t you rather your child have autism than be DEAD from a disease like the measles??

    Again you prove that you love to use non cited material, from things such as the “truth barrier”. Not reputable!

  • naturallyimmunized

    Oh, actually Polio didn’t exist in Africa until Big Pharma brought the polio vaccine. Nice job. Now the Polio vaccine has caused… Polio. And better yet, a more aggressive form has showed up, higher mortality – and no treatment for that. But i guess “Pig” Pharma will come running with a new vaccine any day now. Let’s just hope they have not laced it with HCG…

  • Utstroh

    Attack the statement not the messenger. You’ve committed a logical fallacy known As the ad hominem attack and an astute reader will recognize it. As to the measles, in the first world I have a 3 in 1000 shot of dying from it… IF I GET IT! Seems like pretty good odds to me. If we take autism off the table there’s an insert that comes with the MMR vaccine and a laundry list of risks (deadly, permanent, horrible risks but no not autism) that are associated with the vaccine on it… AND there’s no double blind placebo controlled study proving that the measles vaccine is either safe OR effective.

  • Utstroh

    Wakefield was financially ruined by the original case and didn’t have the resources to appeal prior to the allotted time.

  • vernix

    Oh really? Then where did he scrape up the resources to file numerous (frivolous) defamation lawsuits?

  • Fighting for kids health

    More children than what should be dying.

    Historical Comparisons of Morbidity and Mortality for Vaccine-Preventable Diseases in the United States:
    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/article.aspx?articleid=209448

    Vaccine-preventable Diseases, Immunizations, and the Epidemic
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa051721

    How are my points BS? I show examples of research and evidence. Where is your evidence?? Especially on that of peer reviewed journals being unreliable. Please do elaborate

  • Utstroh

    there was no time limit on those law suits and they weren’t nearly as expensive as the appeal process.

  • vernix

    Would have thought if he was so innocent, that he would have tons of support. And if he was so innocent, then why were the defamation lawsuits laughed out of court? He lied. He got caught. Now he’s trying to spin his way out of it by crying conspiracy. And a tiny but vocal minority are eager to parrot his words.

  • Fighting for kids health

    Mmm nope my comment was in direct rebuttal of your statement not your character. Nice try though. I understand that there are risks associated with vaccines (and any pharmaceutical drug) but definitely worth the low risk to prevent death from curable diseases. If anti vaxxers lived during the epidemics that killed many people years ago, I know you’d have a different stance. Guess it’s going to take another disease to wipe out those who don’t believe science and use made-up sources as something to rely on. I just wish poor innocent kids weren’t the guinea pigs in this story.

  • Utstroh

    As to the flu link, it doesn’t prove that the flu vaccine prevents the flu. In fact 8 deaths were completely vaccinated against the flu. Many had at least one shot. The article just talks about the confirmed deaths associated with it. “The overall influenza-related mortality rate among the children was 0.21 death per 100,000.” So about 2.1 in a million shot of being killed by the flu without adjusting for health prior to infection. Doesn’t quite have me shaking with fear.

  • Utstroh

    As to a “historical comparison” comparing deaths associated with a disease today with a period 50 or more years ago doesn’t quite control for all the different things that can make survival more likely. It doesn’t prove vaccines are the reason for the increase in survival. That would require a double blind placebo controlled study.

  • Utstroh

    Here’s a couple examples of how peer review journals are failing us. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/sep/05/publish-perish-peer-review-science

  • naturallyimmunized

    Oh, my god… do you really think that kids, getting kids diseases like measles mumps and rubella, dies!?
    Where I grew up moms had measles-and-rubella picknicks on the block with all the kids – so that the children would have their c h i l d disease in their c h i l dhood. Now, we are all immune for life :). If I want to boost my immune system I just visit someone who has a kid with measles… or mumps… or rubella. Works great! I recommend it.

  • Utstroh

    As you just said, the diseases are “curable” and the death rate from them is incredibly low. If you think the evidence is there then go get your shots. I won’t stop you or argue with you about it on the internet. I don’t see a single double blind placebo controlled study proving safety and/or efficacy so I will error on the side of caution.

  • Utstroh

    Science has proven plenty of things science never disproves things.

  • Utstroh

    There are plenty of risks/reasons to avoid vaccines without taking autism into account. The vaccine package insert is full of them. I can agree to disagree with you about the results of the Wakefield research. Even if everything you say think about Wakefield is hypothetically true it only says that vaccines haven’t been proven to be an influencing factor in autism yet. It doesn’t prove any vaccines are safe or effective. For that we need a double blind placebo controlled study and none exist.

  • Fighting for kids health

    Lol

  • vernix

    That’s … crazy. Vaccines are both safe and effective. Especially considering the consequences of the diseases that we vaccinate against. There is no credible body of research supporting ANYTHING the anti-vaxx crowd has come up with. And with the decrease in herd immunity, the anti-vaxx cult is a public health risk.

    Crazy is as crazy does.

  • Utstroh

    Ad hominem. Disagreeing with me doesn’t make one of us crazy. Where is the double blind placebo controlled study proving vaccines are safe and/or effective? If vaccines are safe why does the package insert warn of a laundry list of deadly and permanent side effects? If vaccines are effective why does “herd immunity” exist? If you’re vaccinated, if the new antibodies you’ve acquired have triggered your immune system to recognize an invader and eliminate it then why does it matter if your surrounded by the unvaccinated? The reason you get vaccinated is so that you don’t get the disease when in the presence of said disease. You’re argument lacks logic.

  • Curie

    No. If more and more studies are done about a subject with the same results that result has not been “proven”, it simply continues to not be disproven. Science hasn’t proven evolution, for instance, but it has never been disproven. If some one disproves a previously accepted theory with repeatable results, the theory must change. Science changes the theories to fit the facts, not the other way around.

  • Franklin

    You really don’t know very much about science, do you?

  • rolloverandplaydead

    Then trust the CDC –they are the epitome of TRUTH NOT! They are still attempting to cover up the recently leaked link of vaccines to autism.
    Obviously, you have not attempted to file a claim with the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Why does this exist? and why has it paid out over $2billion?

  • rolloverandplaydead

    and what is a placebo? In such studies it is another vaccine–not a placebo–absolutely fraudulent! So what these contrived studies do is to compare the side effects of one vaccine against another supposedly ‘safe’ vaccine…

  • rolloverandplaydead

    When I was a child (back in the 50’s) there was virtually no special education–now it is a really large percentage…and growing exponentially. What is causing all this and when did it start? The pro-vax people say that they do not know, but it definitely is not caused by vaccines…

  • sarah-jayne

    Uneducated unscientific and complete bs

  • Valery Hension

    My dear friend, the myth that vaccines are linked to autism has been around since Andrew Wakefield published a paper in 1998 that was based on fraudulent data he himself later admitted. Vaccines are the reason millions don’t die of small pox, mumps or measles. In fact, the first idea for a vaccine came from Edward Jenner when he made the observation that milk maids that spent a lot of time around cows who had cow pox, a disease related to small pox that cannot harm humans, did not contract small pox. The bodies’ of these milk maids had come into contact with a disease very similar to small pox and had therefore built up an immunity against it, like what a vaccine does. It is true some people do not respond well to vaccines. Indeed, the influenza vaccine is made in an egg so all those with egg allergies cannot use the vaccine without an allergic reaction. But please, my friend, take a course in immunology and study how the body protects itself from diseases after first exposure. There is a reason those that survive certain diseases “naturally” will never contract them again (specifically bacteria and some viruses), but why the common cold constantly makes us sick. A vaccine mimics that natural exposure in a way that the disease-causing agent has been stripped of its harm through various means. As well, the claim you have made that vaccines only protect us for a certain amount of time does not make sense in the context of an immunology class for many diseases.

  • Valery Hension

    There are many arguments about this. One that I personally believe is that people with special needs are being noticed and more taken care of thus leading to more special needs classes and general visibility in society. A child with special needs in the 50s would often not go to school, or not succeed in school and fall into the back drop to be hidden away by family members. Now, as a society, we recognize people with special needs a lot more than we used to. I am quite sure there are other reasons behind this, but I am very sure vaccines do indeed have nothing to do with it and would never have been blamed but for the fraudulent report of Andrew Wakefield in 1998 that has since very much been disproved by thousands of other studies by scientists all over the world. Ultimately, who should you trust? The one study that Andrew Wakefield himself said was fraudulent or the whole body of research since disproving it?

  • vernix

    Vaccines are effective but not 100% perfect. No one ever claimed they were. Herd immunity is real, of course, and provides a modicum of protection to the unvaccinated, especially infants who are too young to receive the vaccines.

    Think about it for a second – in a largely unvaccinated population, the disease can spread to many more hosts with impunity. The baby is more likely to come into contact with someone who is a carrier. But in a largely vaccinated population, the disease vector has fewer hosts, and far fewer chances to spread, thus keeping the baby safer. It’s not perfect of course, but herd immunity is real *and* logical.

    http://www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/pages/communityimmunity.aspx

  • vernix

    Again, herd immunity makes anti-vaxxers a public health problem. Especially to the most vulnerable – infants and the immunocompromised.

    Or is herd immunity one of the many scientifically proven facts that anti-vaxxers find inconvenient to their belief system?

  • vernix

    Anti-vaxxers responsible for worst Whooping Cough outbreak in 70 years in California.

    http://crooksandliars.com/2014/12/thanks-las-anti-vaxxer-parents-whooping

  • gewisn

    “When I was a child (back in the 50’s) there was virtually no special education [citation needed]–now it is a really large percentage[citation needed]…and growing exponentially[citation needed].”

    1. Please provide a useful citation for those points.
    I don’t if those claims are true or not, but I’d like a source to check.
    2. This would only be a serious argument if the processes of diagnosis and separation were identical from then till now. Since they were not (you can check DSM II, DSM III, DSM IV, DSM IVTR, DSM V for the changes in the diagnosis of various forms of mental disability diagnosed in children), the argument that vax rates must have, might have, could have had anything to do with it are completely false. If you broaden the definition of a condition, and discover new ones, many times over the decades, there will be many more diagnosed – regardless of the cause.

  • gewisn

    That is equivalent to wondering why the neighbors of one who dumps toxic waste into the street should spend so much time trying to get the polluter stopped. Or why we spend so much time/money trying to get those with tuberculosis to continue taking prescribed medication – because this is a Public Health concern when you are posing a risk to others.
    If you don’t understand why those who don’t vax put others at risk, I can help direct you to some resources about how the immune system works, or you can take a couple microbiology and immunology classes and it will all be quite clear.

  • Please provide your evidence that the CDC is lying. I’d be very interested since a number of studies have shown no link. Thanks.

  • How can one be more specific? It’s pretty self-explanatory. The article is filled with misinformation, cherrypicked data, and grossly exaggerated claims. The whole article is incredibly misleading and fearmongering.

  • gewisn

    When two treatments are compared, this is known as using an “active control” study, and not placebo controlled. In this case, the resulting conclusion is about whether the tested treatment (or prevention method) is safer and more effective than one that is already known to work. Once a treatment is found to be safe and effective when compared to placebo (no treatment), then it is often tested against an active control to find out if it is better than a previously used treatment. This answers the question, “Great, Treatment B works and it’s safe (safer than no treatment), but does it work better or safer than Treatment A?”

  • gewisn

    13 [citation needed]
    14 Strangers that spent >30k hrs studying the topic, would have their career ruined if found to have lied (as Wakefield did), and who work for grants from NSF, NIH. As opposed to strangers who think their lack of formal education in a field is somehow a plus when it comes to evaluating the research in that field.

  • jbtor

    Are the content statements close to correct? If so, what risk free value do each of these items bring? (methyl mercury), antibiotics, monosodium glutamate (MSG) and formaldehyde. Other dangerous substances found in vaccines include antifreeze, lead, cadmium, glycerine, acetone, and yeast proteins.

  • wil9000

    Simple. Ask the parents of those children who have died in the whooping cough and measles outbreaks if they made the right choice in not vaccinating their children. Before the child tragically died, they would have probably used any or all of the nonsensical ten reasons listed above. After, probably not so much. Bottom line, not vaccinating is killing children. I hope you are very proud of that.

  • Utstroh

    13 The citation is the laundry list of serious deadly and permanent risks printed on every vaccine package insert.

    14 if you want to trust people that have proven conflicts of interest be my guest. Not every doctor or virologist is pro vaccine. I have a science background and degree and I’m comfortable with my ability to read and understand research papers. Blind trust may work for you but it doesn’t for me so please provide me with the double blind placebo controlled study that proves any vaccine is safe and/or effective and you might change my mind.

  • Utstroh

    Well there’s 10 points in the article. Start with the first one. Provide the double blind placebo controlled study that has proven any vaccine to be safe or effective. Then move into number two.

    As to fear mongering there’s a 2.1 in a million shot that the flu kills anyone under 18. Less so for healthy people so you better get your flu shot or you might die! That’s not fear mongering?

  • Utstroh

    These two scenarios aren’t only not equivalent, they aren’t even similar. Toxic waste dumping can have an impact on my air quality and ground water, my shared bodies of fresh and salt water and all the food and other resources we rely on it that comes from it.

    Tb is a highly infectious diseases that is, in your scenario, already present in the individual.

    I understand how contagious disease works and if vaccines are effective then you are protected in the presence of someone that has said disease. There shouldn’t be any concern for you unless vaccines aren’t effective.

  • Utstroh

    If vaccines are effective then the vaccinated shouldn’t have a problem in the presence of the said disease. Herd immunity is only am issue if vaccines aren’t effective.

  • Strawman. Vaccines have risks. But the pros outweigh the cons. This is the same argument people make telling cancer patients not to undergo chemo because of the side effects. As for fear-mongering, pro-vaxxers can use them but they use facts and statistics. Anti-vaxxers use anedoctes and exaggerations and misinformation.

  • Utstroh

    And if you believe that your free to get as many vaccines as you and your family can tolerate. Just as others are free not to. Don’t tell me that vaccines aren’t perfectly effective so I must get one to keep you safe.

  • vernix

    Herd immunity is absolutely important for the very young who aren’t yet old enough to be immunized or the immunocompromised. The more people who vaccinate, the fewer chances for the unvaccinated to encounter the disease vector.

    It’s a public health issue.

  • Utstroh

    Science proved the earth wasn’t flat, or do you expect some new information to change that.

  • vernix

    It’s not a matter of ‘belief’. It is a scientifically proven and tested fact. By not vaccinating, you’re choosing to put others at risk.

  • marcdraco

    My name is Marc Draco, “guest” – check it out, Google me if you want; I’m on Facebook etc.

    When I say you owe your life to vaccination does NOT mean that you would have died – you really need to learn to read carefully.

    Without vaccination my parents and grandparents might not have lived to have children. NOW do you understand? Vaccination has been around since the late 18th century when Edward Jenner and later Louis Pasteur demonstrated the effect. Artificial inoculation may be even older.

    Almost everyone alive today in the west probably owes their lives to mass vaccination; the odds are impossible to calculate since there are too many variables to allow for you.

    As for scientific evidence, I have no need to provide it because you are the one trolling your ignorance; and there is a wealth of it on the web. Your negative reaction (your claim) may be causing a delusion that all vaccines are bad when in fact, vaccines have wiped a number of highly infectious diseases off the planet. Smallpox (last seen in 1977) is now gone; Polio almost destroy and measles is next.

    Independent evidence that vaccines work should be blindingly obvious by now; after all we’ve had over 200 years of practical experience with them.

    Dr. Andrew Wakefield the man who started the MMR scare published preliminary results which were wrong; and he failed to declare a financial incentive favouring the single-point vaccines.

    Read that last paragraph carefully. Now do it again until it sinks in.

    Even the godfather of anti-vaccers actually favoured vaccination. His argument (later shown to be 100% wrong) was that the combination of MMR into a single jab. There’s your evidence.

  • Utstroh

    It will be proven when there is a double blind placebo controlled study showing that vaccines work. Until then it isn’t proven or tested.

  • Utstroh

    Until vaccines are proven to be effective by a double blind placebo controlled study herd immunity only applies in cases where natural immunity is acquired.

  • Utstroh

    What’s the straw man? Just just show me the double blind placebo controlled study proving vaccines are effective and/or safe and then you’ve proven the first point is crap.

  • Cyn

    This is very irresponsible and dangerous. How does your not vaccinating effect me? Well, massive outbreaks clog emergency rooms and make long wait times for needed medical care. The expenses of treating influenza, polio, pertussis, etc. cost a heck of a lot more than a shot, and take hospital beds away from other patients. Not to mention the infants too young to the immunocompromized

  • Utstroh

    This line of reasoning assumes vaccines are safe and effective. They have not been scientifically proven to be either. Feel free to get as many shots as you want but if you want to support the assumptions above (and change the minds of those that choose not to vaccinate) provide the double blind placebo controlled study, the scientific gold standard, that shows any vaccine is either safe and/or effective.

  • Utstroh

    Go back and look at the out breaks and come back with the stats on what percentage of the infected were vaccinated.

  • The reason is, you’re asking for a “double blind placebo controlled study” when the proof is the results are glaringly obvious. Since the introduction of vaccines, pertussis is down by 81%, measles by 99% and almost eradicated, and mumps down by 99% and almost eradicated. And now, since the emergence of the anti-vaccine movement, some of these diseases are making a comeback. But your first comment didn’t say only effective. You said “safe and effective,” thus the strawman.

  • Holly Cotnam

    People push vaccines because some people can not take a vaccine, and therefore must be protected as a group. If no one in their group can get the disease then they don’t have a chance of catching and developing it either.
    And other people just don’t want to see babies and children die horribly of disease.
    I know us vaccine pushers are such assholes. Not wanting children to die.
    Fuck us.

  • disgusted

    This is crap. You guys love to bash Wakefield and you can’t even admit that there’s plenty of corruption on your side of the street. Poul Thorsen is the man whose research is used by the AAP, media, public health establishment and pharma spokespeople like Dr. Paul Offit, and Bill Gates and Dr. Nancy Snyderman to “prove” that there is no connection between vaccines and autism. He is a fugitive wanted by American authorities – see below. But since that doesn’t support your confirmation bias, let’s ignore that it, right?

  • disgusted

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poul_Thorsen

    Poul Thorsen is a Danish researcher, who has been accused of financial fraud, and who co-authored some of the most frequently cited studies concluding that there is no link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, nor between the MMR vaccine and autism. These studies were published in the New England Journal of Medicine[1] andPediatrics.[2] His alleged fraud involved the use of approximately $2,000,000 in grant money obtained while he was working at the Centers for Disease Control to purchase a house and two cars, among other things. According to the CDC inspector general’s office he submitted invoices to Aarhus University and Sahlgrenska University Hospital to make it appear as though the CDC was requesting money from them when in fact the money they gave to these institutions went into a bank account under his own control.[3] Thorsen was indicted in April 2011 on 13 counts of wire fraud and 9 counts of money laundering.[4] He was the subject of an article by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. who argued that the validity of studies involving Thorsen are now in question.”[5]

  • “The latest such ‘argument’ is that the safety and efficacy of vaccines have never been proven because they have not been subjected to a controlled randomized double blind study against a placebo. This ‘argument’ is designed to impress those with a minimal knowledge of statistics. In other words, it is designed to impress those who know enough statistics to realize that anecdotes are not a substitute for scientific studies and are familiar with the concept that a controlled randomized double blind study against a placebo is the ‘gold standard’ in some areas of drug research.

    “Unfortunately, they don’t know enough to realize that controlled randomized double blind studies are unethical in certain circumstances, including the testing of vaccines. So what is presented on vaccine rejection websites as a startling and inexplicable refusal of scientists to test vaccines is actually the inevitable result of complying with ethical rules for scientific investigations.

    “There are many situations in which controlled randomized double blind studies are unethical. Consider infant carseats:

    “Do carseats minimize the risk of injury and death of infants?

    “There never been a controlled randomized double blind study of carseats. Why not? Because it is unethical to randomize some infants to be unbelted in cars simply so we can check how many will be injured and die.

    “Does that mean we don’t know if carseats reduce the risk of injury and death? Of course not. There are a myriad of statistical investigations that allow us to determine whether carseats reduce injury and death, including large scale population studies, retrospective cohort studies and many others.

    “So the fact that there are no controlled randomized double blind studies of vaccines is a red herring. It works only on those who don’t understand science and statistics. On them, of course, it works very well.

    “Vaccine rejectionists, like many Americans, simply don’t understand statistics. This is a serious problem because Americans are exposed to a tremendous amount of statistical information and are required to make many decisions based that information.

    “Vaccine rejectionists, you’ve been tricked … again. How many times do you have to be tricked before you realize that you are being victimized by your lack of knowledge of science and statistics?”

    http://www.skepticalob.com/2009/10/latest-argument-of-vaccine.html

  • Utstroh

    Your line of reasoning assumes that vaccines are effective. There’s never been a double blind placebo controlled study proving any vaccine is safe and/or effective. Without proud of effectiveness none of your points are relevant. So provide the study and then build upon that. If vaccines are safe and/or effective that study shouldn’t be too hard to do.

  • disgusted

    Herd immunity is not achieved through vaccines. Vaccines are a puny surrogate of immunity at best. Herd immunity is what you get when the majority of the herd is exposed to and survives a disease, and the mothers pass that immunity down to their kids. We took a shortcut and did humanity a HUGE disservice with vaccinations.

  • disgusted

    http://www.regardingcaroline.com/pubmed

    Here are 15 to start with. Happy reading.

  • From:

    http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/scientific-method-vaccine-history

    Jonas Salk: A Double-Blind Randomized Trial

    The 1954 field trial of Jonas Salk’s inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) was another important milestone in the use of the scientific method to test a vaccine. This trial enrolled a huge number of subjects—1.3 million children in all—in what is the largest medical field trial ever conducted.

  • Utstroh

    Safe and/or effective. Anecdotal evidence is only a reason to do the study and provide proof of statistical relevance regarding the observations. Historical “evidence” didn’t control for countless other factors that have occurred since the introduction of vaccines so doesn’t prove the vaccines are responsible for the drop in disease occurrence or death…

    And I’m asking for a double blind placebo controlled study because that is the scientific gold standard and you said the entire article was crap yet you haven’t proved even the first point is “crap.” If vaccines are safe and/or effective a double blind placebo controlled study would prove it. Prove the first point is crap then we can move on to the rest.

  • Utstroh

    From your link
    “Authorities did not achieve the double-blind, randomized standard across the entire polio vaccine trial. In some communities, officials objected to the use of a placebo injection, so the children in the control group were merely observed for signs of polio. These groups were known as observed controls. Some designers of the study worried that differences between the observed control and experimental groups might influence the outcome. For instance, the observed control group included children whose parents would not consent to their receiving the vaccine. Were there important differences, such as income or housing or parental age, between children whose parents would not consent and those who would? And might those differences affect whether children had already been exposed to and become immune to polio?”

    How about the providing the study instead of a third party account of it.

  • disgusted

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poul_Thorsen

    You can start with Wikipedia. Since this won’t support your confirmation bias, I don’t imagine you’ll get far, so make sure you jump back to Things Anti-Vaxxers Say and whine to the rest of the hypocrites about how terrible we all are.

  • vernix

    Interesting. So you want an unethical test in order to prove what the scientific community has already proven time and time again? Sounds like the cry of a desperate child who knows he’s wrong and won’t admit it.

    Do you put your kids in car seats? I bet you do even though there is no double-blind placebo test confirming their effectiveness. And why is that? Perhaps because of the unethical nature of deliberately smashing cars with unbelted kids together.

    But even worse, if there actually *was* such a study as you describe, you’d invent some other unreasonable condition to debunk it.

  • vernix

    Why would you just go on the internet and lie?

    “Community Immunity (“Herd” Immunity)”. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Retrieved 7 April 2014.

    Jump up^ John TJ, Samuel R (2000). “Herd immunity and herd effect: new insights and definitions”. Eur. J. Epidemiol. 16 (7): 601–6.doi:10.1023/A:1007626510002. PMID 11078115.

    ^ Jump up to:a b c History and Epidemiology of Global Smallpox Eradication From the training course titled “Smallpox: Disease, Prevention, and Intervention”. The CDC and the World Health Organization. Slide 16-17.

    ^ Jump up to:a b Fine P (1993). “Herd immunity: history, theory, practice”. Epidemiol Rev 15 (2): 265–302. PMID 8174658.

    Jump up^ Fair E, Murphy T, Golaz A, Wharton M (2002). “Philosophic objection to vaccination as a risk for tetanus among children younger than 15 years”. Pediatrics 109 (1): E2. doi:10.1542/peds.109.1.e2. PMID 11773570.

    Jump up^ Jamison DT, Breman JG, Measham AR, ed. (2006). “Chapter 4: Cost-Effective Strategies for the Excess Burden of Disease in Developing Countries
    Section: Vaccine-preventable Diseases”. Priorities in Health: Disease Control Priorities Companion Volume. World Bank Publications.ISBN 0-8213-6260-7.

    Jump up^ Glanz JM, McClure DL, Magid DJ, et al. (June 2009). “Parental refusal of pertussis vaccination is associated with an increased risk of pertussis infection in children”. Pediatrics 123 (6): 1446–51. doi:10.1542/peds.2008-2150. PMID 19482753.

    Jump up^ Gupta RK, Best J, MacMahon E (May 2005). “Mumps and the UK epidemic 2005”. BMJ (Clinical Research Ed.) 330 (7500): 1132–5.doi:10.1136/bmj.330.7500.1132. PMC 557899. PMID 15891229.

    Jump up^ Salathé M, Bonhoeffer S (December 2008). “The effect of opinion clustering on disease outbreaks”. J R Soc Interface. 5 (29): 1505–8.doi:10.1098/rsif.2008.0271. PMC 2607358. PMID 18713723.

    Jump up^ Knox, Richard (27 August 2013). “Vaccinating Babies For Rotavirus Protects The Whole Family”. NPR. Retrieved 3 September 2013.

    Jump up^ Gastanaduy, Paul; Cums, Aaron; Parashar, Umesh; Lopman, Ben (2013). “Gastroenteritis Hospitalizations in Older Children and Adults in the United Sates Before and After Implementation of Infant Rotavirus Vaccination”. The Journal of the American Medical Association 310(8): 851–853. doi:10.1001/jama.2013.170800.

    Jump up^ Fu F., Rosenbloom D. I., Wang L., Nowak M. A. (2010). “Imitation dynamics of vaccination behaviour on social networks”. Proceedings of the Royal Society B 278 (1702): 42–49. doi:10.1098/rspb.2010.1107. PMC 2992723. PMID 20667876.

    Jump up^ Perisic A., Bauch C. T. (2009). Meyers, Lauren Ancel, ed. “Social contact networks and disease eradicability under voluntary vaccination”. PLoS Computational Biology 5 (2): e1000280. doi:10.1371/journal.pcbi.1000280. PMC 2625434. PMID 19197342.

    Jump up^ “Vaccine vacuum”. Harvard Gazette. 2010-07-29.

  • vernix

    Anti-VAXX Disinformation Method:

    Demand unethical study that you *know* won’t be performed. Set unmeetable conditions and impossible constraints. Cite lack of evidence all while citing other “studies” that prove their point despite the lack of the “gold standard”.

  • disgusted

    Fine. Let’s start with statistics, Michel. There has not been a death in the United States from measles since 2005. There have, however, been countless reports of vaccine injuries and deaths from the MMR vaccine.

    What puts our children at risk is not people who refuse the poison you keep insisting is safe. What puts them at risk is the waning immunity we now have as a result from vaccines. Here’s a scientific study to back that claim up.

    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.full.pdf+html

  • So 1.3 million is not a good enough group? Your confirmation bias is showing, Utstroh. The link I provided was on the history of vaccines. Again, it is unethical to withhold the vaccine, tell people they’re protected, and then exposing them, on purpose, to a virulent disease. Read my other response as your comment is invalid. You cannot double-blind, placebo-control a vaccine. Period. But I guess you don’t have an ethical concern with killing babies. Obviously. Not just with your anti-vaccination stance but also in your desperate call for studies.

    It’s no different than injecting someone with saline solution and telling them it’s an Ebola vaccine, and then sending them off into an Ebola-stricken zone. It’s unethical, illegal, and wrong. And despite that, vaccine denialists like yourself are still insisting on proof through extra experimental studies that vaccines work.

    The mind boggles.

  • Utstroh

    First, there’s no downside to car seats. Second you don’t have to expose children to the contagion to do the study you merely have to monitor them for an extended period of time.

    I’ll give you that most people are polarized on this issue so they either want the vaccine or they don’t but without this study safety and effectiveness isn’t proven.

    What might help is a study comparing knowingly unvaccinated populations to vaccinated populations in similar environments. (Comparing vaccinated in the US to unvaccinated in India isn’t comparable)

    Do you have any studies that do this? Seems the recent outbreaks of pertussis are among the vaccinated.

  • See my other reply. It is unethical to withold vaccination from someone and claim that they are protected, so we no longer conduct such experiments.

    From: http://www.skepticalob.com/2009/10/latest-argument-of-vaccine.html

    “The latest such ‘argument’ is that the safety and efficacy of vaccines have never been proven because they have not been subjected to a controlled randomized double blind study against a placebo. This ‘argument’ is designed to impress those with a minimal knowledge of statistics. In other words, it is designed to impress those who know enough statistics to realize that anecdotes are not a substitute for scientific studies and are familiar with the concept that a controlled randomized double blind study against a placebo is the ‘gold standard’ in some areas of drug research.

    “Unfortunately, they don’t know enough to realize that controlled randomized double blind studies are unethical in certain circumstances, including the testing of vaccines. So what is presented on vaccine rejection websites as a startling and inexplicable refusal of scientists to test vaccines is actually the inevitable result of complying with ethical rules for scientific investigations.

    “There are many situations in which controlled randomized double blind studies are unethical. Consider infant carseats:

    “Do carseats minimize the risk of injury and death of infants?

    “There never been a controlled randomized double blind study of carseats. Why not? Because it is unethical to randomize some infants to be unbelted in cars simply so we can check how many will be injured and die.

    “Does that mean we don’t know if carseats reduce the risk of injury and death? Of course not. There are a myriad of statistical investigations that allow us to determine whether carseats reduce injury and death, including large scale population studies, retrospective cohort studies and many others.

    “So the fact that there are no controlled randomized double blind studies of vaccines is a red herring. It works only on those who don’t understand science and statistics. On them, of course, it works very well.

    “Vaccine rejectionists, like many Americans, simply don’t understand statistics. This is a serious problem because Americans are exposed to a tremendous amount of statistical information and are required to make many decisions based that information.

    “Vaccine rejectionists, you’ve been tricked … again. How many times do you have to be tricked before you realize that you are being victimized by your lack of knowledge of science and statistics?”

  • noneya

    All of you that are supportive of building natural immunity by exposure to these diseases and proponents of a double blind placebo study… Are you volunteering to be the ones that are given the disease with the placebo vaccine? If that’s the case then I fully support the idea. My guess is that I won’t see all of you lining up for your turn to catch polio or tb. You wouldn’t want to catch these terrible diseases that can kill and cripple you but you sure are all gungho about letting other people do it.

  • digusted

    Yes – right! It’s always our fault! Just like that recent outbreak in MA, where all but one student infected was vaccinated. *sigh*

    http://www.cidd.psu.edu/research/synopses/acellular-vaccine-enhancement-b.-parapertussis

  • Utstroh

    You can inform someone that they’re part of a study. You don’t have to tell them they’re “protected” since that’s what the study is trying to determine.

    When new terminal disease drugs are tested people get placebos and the life saving drug. That seems even more unethical than unproven protection for a disease that you haven’t been exposed to yet it happens every day.

    Also a double blind placebo controlled study with vaccines could “ethically” our at least legally be done in animal subjects but hasn’t.

  • digusted
  • vernix

    That was a different strain not covered by the existing vaccine. Improvements are being made to account for this. It’s no different than the annual reformulation of the Infuenza A vaccine.

    More red herrings and disinformation from the loony anti-vaxxers.

  • Utstroh

    If you read the entire link a massive portion of the study wasn’t double blind placebo controlled and didn’t control for many other factors, but provide the real study so I can read it and then we can discuss it further.

    Evidence hasn’t been provided that they do work. You have faith that they do and I’m impressed. Get all you want but don’t expect me to convert to your religion without proof.

  • disgusted

    B. pertussis whooping cough is a cyclical disease with natural increases that tend to occur every 4-5 years, no matter how high the vaccination rate is in a population using DPT/DTaP or Tdap vaccines on a widespread basis. Whole cell DPT vaccines used in the U.S. from the 1950’s until the late 1990’s were estimated to be 63 to 94 percent effective and studies showed that vaccine-acquired immunity fell to about 40 percent after seven years. But yeah, just a red herring. What a piece of work you are.

  • vernix

    Your article nicely confirms herd immunity through vaccination. Reduced antibody concentration doesn’t matter if the disease can’t spread.

    Nice try.

  • Utstroh

    Also I do have an ethical concern about killing babies. The vaccine insert describes various ways in which vaccines can kill and maim babies. In the case of the flu vaccine there’s a 2.1 in a million shot that anyone under 18 will die from the flu and that includes sick and immune compromised. Getting the flu and surviving is true immunity.

  • disgusted

    http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/03/13/cid.cis287

    In 2010, the largest outbreak of whooping cough in over 50 years occurred in California. Around that same time, a scare campaign was launched in the California by Pharma-funded medical trade associations, state health officials and national media, targeting people opting out of receiving pertussis vaccine, falsely accusing them of causing the outbreak.

    However, research published in March of this year paints a very different picture than the one spread by the media2.

    In fact, the study showed that 81 percent of 2010 California whooping cough cases in people under the age of 18 occurred in those who were fully up to date on the whooping cough vaccine. Eleven percent had received at least one shot, but not the entire recommended series, and only eight percent of those stricken were unvaccinated.

  • Wow. You’re wrong.

    1. No you can’t. Not for a preventative. You cannot conduct such studies because it’s preventative and might give people a false sense of hope and putting them in harm’s way. Plus, to make study completely valid, you have to purposefully expose them to the disease. Not just “hope” they might get it someday.

    2. Wrong. First, these are curative, not preventative. You’re not trying to prevent disease. You’re trying to cure it. Placebo use in such cases are not cure vs. placebo. They are cure (new) vs. cure or treatment (old). I know, because my wife has stage 4 cancer and she has been on multiple clinical trials. They would never withhold cures or even standard treatments in terminal cases. So your argument about ethics is a moot point. Again.

    3. Yes, they have. That’s the point. Many vaccines were tested on animals before they were given to humans. But I bet you’re going to move the goalposts now and say that, “Well, these are done on animals, not humans!”

  • vernix

    So, you mean you … you need a booster shot to retain effectiveness? What? That’s crazy talk!

    It’s better to let kids die from Whooping Cough. No doubt.

    Keep spinning little spider!

  • disgusted

    Here – since you seemed to have missed it: Conclusion. Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

  • Again, you cannot do that. And evidence is shown in the near eradication of vaccinated diseases. As you stated, you, too, have faith that they don’t work and I’m impressed. The difference is, no proof will ever be good enough for you, and you’re willing to hurt people to get it. So, good enough. I’m out. You win.

  • vernix

    So what did the study conclude? That the schedule needed to be improved and that more boosters were needed. And how do you think these kids were exposed to the disease? That’s right – through unvaccinated carriers. Again, herd immunity.

  • vernix

    Since you seemed to ignore and miss the point completely: Where does the disease incubate? In unvaccinated carriers. What population is unvaccinated? Yeah – the unvaccinated. Who are the unvaccinated by and large? Loony-bin anti-vaxxers.

    You are attempting to conflate herd immunity and and underperforming vaccine schedule. Why would you lie like that?

  • disgusted

    Horseshit. The vaccinated carry and spread disease just the same as unvaccinated. Keep going – it’s kind of fun watching you knock yourself out trying to prove a point.

  • vernix

    Horseshit yourself. My point has been proved. Your article confirmed the existence of vaccine-induced herd immunity. The conclusion supports it. Your refusal to believe it has no bearing on the scientific fact.

    But by all means, continue with your feeble attempts.

  • Utstroh

    The evidence of “nearly eradicated” vaccine diseases doesn’t control for the uncountable other medical advances that have occurred in the last century. That mgs enough evidence for you but there are way too many factors involved for me to give the vaccines enough credit so that I can justify the known and scientifically PROVEN risks.

    I’m not trying to win. Analyze the existing evidence for yourself. If it’s good enough for you then shoot up all you want. It’s not good enough for me. You can’t provide a single study just a discussion of one that admits in the discussion that it isn’t double blind.

    You don’t have an animal study. You don’t have a study comparing knowingly unvaccinated to the vaccinated that controls for other factors. You have nothing but faith, and considering the proven risks associated with vaccines that’s not good enough for me… but again I’m not arguing you shouldn’t get vaccinated. I’m arguing you shouldn’t tell me I should with out convincing evidence of safety or efficacy.

  • Utstroh

    1 show me a study that did it with animals or tracks similar populations over many years.

    2 If you give someone terminal a placebo in a double blind placebo controlled study and the cure ends up improving survival rates you have in effect withheld the cure.

    3. Animals are different but show me the studies anyway. Show me a study comparing vaccinated populations to unvaccinated over extended periods that aren’t double blind.

  • disgusted

    Sure, and it’s better to ignore the thousands of fucking parents who are reporting their kids dying and mentally disappearing the day after vaccinations! If you can make these things safe, yes, sure, I’ll sign up. The reality is they AREN’T safe and there is zero accountability from the people who make them. Don’t ask me to hold my kiddo’s hand to the fire to assuage your unfounded fears. My son won’t be a victim of your fear mongering.

  • digusted

    Please cite sources that show that disease “incubates” and is spread ONLY in unvaccinated people. Oh…that’s right. You can’t. Because we all spread it. Please stop making this ad-hominem because you can’t support your own crappy pro-vax shill claims. Either way – it’s been fun! I’ve wasted enough time with you.

  • You made no sense. You’re contradicting yourself.

  • [email protected]

    The Amish and the unvaccinated will inherit the earth. That’s my belief. And then we’ll have proof. My health was ruined by vaccines. My son’s will not be until and unless he’s old enough to make his own decisions.

  • Utstroh

    Yes outrageous. Show me a double blind placebo controlled study that doesn’t expose the participants to the contagion but follows them for an extended period. Show me a study that compares knowingly unvaccinated to the vaccinated. Show me the stats on the percentage of vaccinated to unvaccinated in outbreaks.

  • Utstroh

    That could be said about almost any source. Prove the first point wrong. Provide a double blind placebo controlled study for a single vaccine. Anecdotal and “historical” evidence didn’t prove vaccines are safe and/or effective.

  • Utstroh

    Except that there’s no proof that treatment A was better than no treatment. There is no original double blind placebo controlled study.

  • Mamabear

    Vernix, what is the FDA’s daily limit of aluminum allowed into an infant’s IV? How does that compare the average round of vaccinations an infant will receive at any given routine immunization?

  • Utstroh

    Asking for proof from someone that doesn’t have economic or other conflicts of interest isn’t insane.

  • vernix
  • Utstroh

    Let’s assume Wakefield never existed. Currently we can’t agree on proof that mmr causes autism. So let’s stick with proving that they are safe and/or effective. You can’t do it, do it doesn’t matter if the mmr causes autism. The vaccine package inserts admits ALL vaccines can cause dealt and permanent side effects. I can agree to leave autism off this list for now. You still have to prove effectiveness.

  • vernix

    Even worse than that do you realize that the fetus is suspended in a sac filled with dihydrogen monoxide? A substance proven to be the number 1 leading cause of drowning in children?!?

  • “So let’s stick with proving that they are safe and/or effective.” The world decline in vaccinated diseases is evidence.

  • vernix

    Effectiveness has been proven through countless studies. Read the literature. However none with the unethical double-blind placebo study you insist upon as the “gold standard” for you to accept any scientific conclusion.

  • And it has also been proven through the world decline in vaccinated diseases. But anti-vaxxers will always claim that the decline is not attributable to vaccines but to medical advances, improved sanitation, education, etc. How we know it’s wrong is the recent re-emergence of long-eradicated diseases caused by the anti-vaccination movement. The correlation is pretty strong. Problem is, no matter how you fight and disprove their points, they’ll come back with more, moving goalposts and using strawmen arguments. So it’s useless, really.

  • Mamabear

    Nice. I notice you didn’t answer my question. It’s inconvenient for you to do so, isn’t it?

    Vernix, at the end of the day – I think you and I both are on the same page. We really want to protect our kids the best way we can, and I can’t fault you on that. We just disagree on how to do it. I want you to know something – I was pretty pro-vax until I started running into people like you. The vitriol you guys spew in the name of “science” made me question my decision. If a product is that great and that effective, it should not require bullying and coercion to get people to buy it. I question my decision every day. I’m open to the reality that I don’t know it all and that I could be wrong. If my kids get polio and die, it’s my fault. If my kid has the kind of “rare” neurological and immune reaction that I had that had me hospitalized multiple times during my childhood as a result of vaccines…also my fault. So I keep asking questions. I keep reading books and talking to doctors. I don’t just assume I’m right and shut out all other logic. That’s the difference between us.

    People like you are doing an incredible disservice to the vaccination movement…and you have no idea. Sad.

  • AutismDad

    Its too bad your brain functions so poorly. Wakefield’s report (paper in Lancet) was blown out of proportion by the media, not Wakefield et al. During a news conference which you could watch on You Tube, and hear in his own words, he suggested, not concluded, that more research needed to be done. If he concluded then he would be claiming a strong possibility, but he didn’t suggest that. So wise up bonehead and stop posting what your twisted confused mind tells you.

  • Utstroh

    No study that compares the vaccinated to the unvaccinated in the same time or space.

  • lol

    It will be snopes next. ;)

  • AutismDad

    TB is spread via poor crowded living conditions. Vaccine adverse reactions which include permanent brain damage and death are not minor issues. Sorry to burst your bubble Einstein. Attempts to disregard vaccine injury is what brings us all here. Its an outrage and it is fully understood by the perpetrators who only concern is to continue the vaccination process. If you personally had a serious reaction and ended up living in the streets, they would drive by you in their BMW’S and avert their eyes. But nice job defending some of the world’s most vile criminals, who shed no tears about the babies they maim and kill for profit.

  • Utstroh

    It isn’t b/c it didn’t account for advanced in medicine, diet, sanitation, plumbing waste management that also occurs over the same time period, and most of these diseases declined exponentially before the vaccines were introduced.

  • Sara Leonard

    Wow – what a smattering of misinformation, dangerous pseudoscience crap! Not to mention any of your sources are peer reviewed.

    I’ll personally volunteer to send you to Somalia for a nice sunny vacation around non-vaxxed children who have polio…

  • vernix

    How dizzy are you after spinning that fast? You must be a complete idiot if you honestly believe that Wakefield never meant to link mmr and autism.

    Here’s his damn patent application:

    ““It has now also been shown that use of the MMR vaccine (which is taken
    to include live attentuated measles vaccine virus, measles virus, mumps
    vaccine virus and rubella vaccine virus, and wild strains of the
    aforementioned viruses) results in ileal lymphoid nodular hyperplasia,
    chronic colitis and pervasive developmental disorder including autism
    (RBD), in some infants.””

    Or his congressional testimony:

    “So finally, in summary, we have an environmental insult in perhaps a
    genetically susceptible child. The problem is that if you go to Sweden
    now, autism affects over 1.2 percent of the pediatric population. So if
    there is a genetic background, it is clearly widely distributed within
    the population. We believe that in many children, clearly, the subset of
    autistics, it leads to gut infection and damage; that leads to an
    ingress, an impaired metabolism, degradation of these chemicals from the
    gut which then get through and impact upon the brain.”

    Or the BBC:

    “WAKEFIELD: .. these children received not one dose but three doses of
    the MMR vaccine, and what we see in many of these children is a double
    hit phenomenon. They regress after the first dose and then they regress
    further after the second dose. This child did not receive his first MMR
    vaccine until he was 4 years 3 months of age. He then deteriorated into
    autism, a disintegrative disorder. He then received his second dose at 9
    years of age and disintegrated catastrophically. He became incontinent
    of faeces and urine and he lost all his residual skills. This is not
    coincidence.”

  • AutismDad

    Oh boo hoo, you poor baby.

  • AutismDad

    vermin you are a grade A jackass

  • vernix

    And what happens when that study confirms the effectiveness of vaccines? What will your excuse be? More and more conditions and exceptions.

  • Sara Leonard

    They no longer put thimerosal in vaccines so that is incorrect. You can also get preservative free vaccines if requested for most.

    On to that whole mercury thing – I am sure these morons eat canned tuna – argument on “toxic chemicals” is dead.

  • lol

    So how do we identify that “small percentage” who will get bad reactions before they are vaccinated? It’s not a small percentage. There are thousands of us. If we can titer test animals, we can do it for humans. I wish people like you would put your energy into demanding that vaccines are made safe for everyone before you demand we all do it.

  • vernix

    Anger and ad hominem – the sure sign of weak argument and acute butthurt syndrome. LOL

  • Sara Leonard

    You are the one fear mongering. There are real deaths from whopping cough. Can you point to one case of a child dying from the TDAP vaccine?

  • AutismDad

    so an emotional rant is now science? What about the parents who wittnessed their normal child withdraw and become autistic after a series of vaccines? Or parents who find their child dead in its crib hours after a series of vaccines? Your statement forgets that adverse events happen, and that is why we are all here.

  • vernix

    What happened to the well-thought out counter-arguments? What happened to your logic and reason? OP is right – you loonies and your spawn are a drain on an already overtaxed health care system.

  • Utstroh

    Your point is equivalent to when unicorns are proven to exist what then? Let’s cross that bridge when we get to it. So far that bridge is yet to be built.

  • Sara Leonard

    Please share ANY published scientific study that supports your “belief system”,

  • lol

    You do NOT live in a world of science. You are a neckbeard who lives in a world of delusion – too scared to question your own logic for fear you’ll be proven wrong. What’s sad to me is that people like you keep jumping on this bandwagon to prove to the world you’re smarter than you really are. It’s sad.

  • AutismDad

    No its the new vaccine. Quit lying vermin

  • Sara Leonard

    Oh look – a blog to disprove actual facts..sigh

  • vernix

    More like – let’s tear the bridge down and stick our fingers in our ears and ignore the results. At least that’s what we learned from the anti-vaxx cult defending the Wakefield study against all reason.

  • AutismDad

    No one exhibits more looniness that you vermin.

  • Sara Leonard

    The flu can kill people who are in good health as well.

  • Utstroh

    I’m not a cult and I’m not arguing the mmr causes autism. Try to stay on topic. The bridge were talking about doesn’t exist so it doesn’t matter what happens on the other side.

  • AutismDad

    The only crazy talk I see is yours vermin.

  • AutismDad

    Thats all they have. More vaccines are all they ever say…vermin

  • AutismDad

    No point of yours is proven. Try acting mature for a change.

  • Utstroh

    Yes. Of those under 18, in a particularly bad year, the flu killed 2.1 / million kids. Some were vaccinated. Many had compromised immune systems our prior illness. The vaccine package insert warns of deadly and permanent side effects related to the flu vaccine. It’s my right to pick my poison and yours to do the same. Knock yourself out.

  • vernix

    The only fearmongering is from you loonies in the anti-vaxx cult. As a result of your willfull ignorance, children are falling ill and dying. Thankfully many states will prevent a child from attending school if they aren’t vaccinated. Hope you enjoy homeschooling!

  • AutismDad

    You’re talking about vaccine science and safety of course.

  • lol

    Uh…yes they do use thimerosol in vaccines. http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/idepc/immunize/hcp/thimerosalfs.html It’s used in the early stages of the manufacturing process and then removed. There are still trace amounts. There’s also a shitload of other gross ingredients – like formaldahyde, a known carcinogen. Yeah, there’s formaldahyde in a pear. You eat a pear, you don’t inject it.

    I would like to know more about preservative free vaccines, though – can you expand on that?

  • LOL
  • vernix

    You’ve run out of logical arguments and now you’re just a mad, impotent, butthurt little mess banging away on the keyboard to underscore your hissy fits. Good on you for hanging in there though, mate.

  • AutismDad

    The standard ” We don’t know what causes autism, but its not our vaccines” If they don’t know what causes autism, vaccines can not be ruled out. And all the parents who watched their NORMAL child change and NEVER be the same after a series of vaccines are more credible that any high paid Pharma rep protecting the profits.

  • AutismDad

    Thanks DR DUH

  • vernix

    I agree. It’s as if they live in a world of conspiracy where everyone is against them, so they desperately cling to anyone or anything that confirms their bias.

  • AutismDad

    Its like criticizing the commies or Arabs who are not like us. It really shakes them to the core that others don’t believe what they do. In fact, i butter my bread on the bottom not the top.

  • Utstroh

    Which misinformation are you referring to. Let’s deconstruct it instead of throwing around vague bs

  • Utstroh

    Maybe we need to have a butter battle thread good doctor?

  • mamabear

    With actual scientic pub med studies as sources.. It’s always easier to attack the source then consider the data isn’t it? Sara, people like you convinced me NOT to vaccinate. Just so you know. The fact that you have to be so nasty made me rethink my decision. You’re not doing the vaccination movement any favors by acting the way you are.

  • AutismDad

    You assholes twist the truth till its unrecognizable. Be sure to volunteer to test vaccines and make sure you take every possible opportunity to get one, and enjoy. Those of us who don’t want them say adios

  • AutismDad

    OK I want all that information. Get started, I’m waiting.

  • AutismDad

    You need to edit your statement, it sounds moronic.

  • lol

    Here is an immunologist that has done just that and sees the issues with vaccines for what they are – a disservice to mankind: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/06/13/interview-with-phd-immunologist-dr-tetyana-obukhanych-by-catherine-frompovich/

  • AutismDad

    Says vermin as the new whooping cough vaccine fails to protect the unvaccinated and vaccinated alike. An inconvenient truth ??

  • AutismDad

    vermin is getting emotionally involved. He doesn’t realize none of us will read the trash science he advocates.

  • LOL

    This is a good article – and the trolls and apologists are out in force. Here’s another source for you to discredit – quick, before anyone sees the man behind the curtain!

    This is an IMMUNOLOGIST who says vaccination campaigns compromise natural immunity and endanger the very young. And she’s right. And deep down – I think you guys fucking know it. This is a bandwagon you like to jump on to pretend you’re smart. I’ve got news – you’re not.

    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/06/13/interview-with-phd-immunologist-dr-tetyana-obukhanych-by-catherine-frompovich/

    You guys have no idea how much of a disservice you have done to the vaccination movement with your hate.

  • AutismDad

    How can it be unethical to find the truth? There are plenty of people who would volunteer to be the unvaccinated group. Problem is the authorities don’t want to risk that the outcome and fallout goes against its pro-vac religion.

  • vernix

    Nothing but ad hominems left, eh? You are but a shell.

  • AutismDad

    Yep vaccines maim and kill

  • AutismDad

    Why don’t you look elsewhere?

  • vernix

    What part of double-blind do you not understand? The volunteer cannot know whether they’ve received the vaccine or the placebo.

    You seriously can’t be this invested in this thing and not know simple scientific method. Or maybe that’s part of your underlying problem.

  • Sara Leonard

    You are aware that your own body makes formaldahyde? Yes there are preservative free versions of most vaccines.

  • Sara Leonard

    Can you tell me what “poisons” you are referring to and what the amount actually is in the flu vaccine?

  • Sara Leonard

    You’re going to try and convince me that his death was related to the vaccine. Was this every proven? BTW – this article is so biased.

  • Utstroh

    “Picking your poison” is a common saying, meaning choosing from 2 choices with bad possibilities. In the case of getting vaccinated it’s the many side effects disclosed in the package insert that can kill or maim. In the case of not getting vaccinated it’s the unproven increased possibility of contracting the disease.

    Since I haven’t found any convincing proof that vaccines are safe (the vaccine insert disclaimer says otherwise) or effective, the poison I choose is the supposed increased risk of contracting the disease… but don’t let my decision influence our bother you. You can shoot up all the vaccines you want and as a social libertarian I’ll support that choice.

  • rolloverandplaydead

    Your name tells it all. The establishment paid trolls have been extremely active on this page…

  • AutismDad

    The worst is vermin.

  • AutismDad

    You can always expect emotional clap trap from females.

  • AutismDad

    If you are looking for a mate there are some severely mangled baboons and chimps who are former vaccine lab animals that will likely let you mate them. Just think of the herd immunity your offspring will have.

  • AutismDad

    Prove it. Quit blowing it out your rear and start backing up your statements!!!

  • AutismDad

    Look up polysorbate 80 too. By the way check out all pickles sold, they have this poison in them to KILL ANYTHING THAT TRIES TO GROW. What else does it do? immune suppression, anaphylactic shock, infertility, neurotoxic, genotoxic, mutogenic, and endocrine disruptor. Just what a baby needs from a Healthy Baby Visit.

  • AutismDad

    I repeat, vermin you are grade A jackass

  • AutismDad

    You should be concerned with your own mental capabilities that seem to be lacking. That one brain cell must be under much strain filtering the bull crap you have stored up there in that void.

  • AutismDad

    You are a mess vermin. How are those statements a patent application? Most of these statements are hypothetical, personal opinion, unproven, and speculatory. How in your mind they prove anything should remain between you and your psychiatrist. Make an appointment NOW!!

  • Utstroh

    The only reason it is considered unethical and and impossible is because you’ve already ASSUMED, without proof, that vaccines are safe and effective. If you drop that assumption and perform the study based on the existing facts you can do a double blind placebo controlled study, over an extended time frame, without exposing participants to disease agents.

    That study has never been done. A study comparing unvaccinated populations to vaccinated populations has not been done either…

    Unless you consider the outbreaks in which most of the victims are vaccinated.

  • LOL

    Oh Sara, I’d tell you to look at VAERS but you’re so attached to your dogma that there’s no point. You’re supporting companies that are hurting little kids and lining their pockets in the process. It’s sad – but I’m actually not interested in convincing you to change your mind. I just want to be left in peace from people like you and make sure you don’t infringe on my rights. I get that this is emotional and a subject that makes people lose their manners fast. I just don’t think you’re doing your cause any favors by acting like a jerk.

  • vernix

    It’s *from* his patent application. Look it up. Continue spinning though and of course continue the ad hominem attacks. That’s all you have left.

  • Utstroh

    Read the warnings on the insert that come with the vaccines. Death and the disease they’re trying to prevent are listed as potential side effects. Look at the last pertussis outbreak and see what percentage of the victims were vaccinated.

    That being said I don’t care if you believe me. Get vaccinated. That’s your option and I will defend your right to choose to be vaccinated our unvaccinated.

  • vernix

    Still nothing resembling a productive thought except poor-quality insults!

  • vernix

    The butthurt is strong with you, young padawan. Cheer up and think happy thoughts!

  • Stacey (the kids’ Aunt Tasty)

    And misogynist bullshit from males. Am I right?

  • vernix

    Really? How thoughtful of you! However, my science-deficient loony-bin you must realize that human-ape reproduction is impossible. Unless you refute that too because of the lack of a double-blind study LOL!

  • LOL

    Keep in mind that there are no scientific studies supporting the safety of many of the ingredients in vaccines and how they interact with each other, i.e., synergistically. Furthermore, vaccines are not investigated to determine if they interfere with human reproduction or can cause cancer. Vaccine package inserts specifically say those studies have not been done. One would think the U.S. FDA would require them before approving any vaccine.

    Furthermore, the study that the CDC likes to hang its hat on for vaccines not causing autism was done in Sweden by a scientist, Poul Thorsen, who was indicted for embezzlement of CDC grant money. According to a press release,

    The Health and Human Services Office of Inspector General has moved Danish Researcher Poul Thorsen to the top of their “Most Wanted OIG Fugitives” list. Thorsen was a top CDC investigator on autism.

    “Any research linked to a person indicted for felony criminal activities should be suspect,” stated Eric Uram, SafeMinds Executive Director. If Thorsen is capable of the crimes listed in this indictment, he is easily capable of falsifying research results. If he is found guilty, CDC should disavow Thorsen’s research and revisit any policy determinations where it was used. [4]

    However, that Thorsen study has not been retracted, but Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s cautionary findings paper published in The Lancet was retracted despite the fact that the MMR vaccine and/or measles link in the gut have been implicated in autistic children by other researchers. Here are some examples:

    I. New MMR link found to autism
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-123482/New-MMR-link-autism.html

    II. New research links measles, autistic gut disorder
    http://www.autism.com/ari/newsletter/161/page6.pdf

    III. Scientists fear MMR link to autism [Wake Forest University School of Medicine study results]
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-link-autism.html

  • LOL

    Yeah – AutismDad, as much as I’m inclined to agree with you, please stop insulting people. You’re no better than the people you’re attacking. Knock it off.

  • AutismDad

    provide it. Link it so I can see what sort of trash site you get your garbage from. I read no application in those statements. No doubt a jackass like you takes things out of context, ads a healthy dose of spin and then just plain can’t comprehend and then barfs it out as claims it science.

  • AutismDad

    Have you got some tissue near by in case I disagree Stacey?

  • vernix

    Vaccines *are* effective. You don’t need a randomized double-blind study to confirm that.

    And for such an experiment to be meaningful, you would *have* to deny the vaccine to a segment of the group. A vaccine which is effective – which makes the study unethical. That’s why Salk ended the Polio trials early. Even that opportunist wasn’t as unethical as what you are proposing.

    What’s so hard to understand about that?

    And besides, even if you got your gold standard study, it wouldn’t be enough for you.

  • AutismDad

    And you tell me what to do since when? This forum is nothing but insult, and you’ve just insulted me.

  • LOL

    Seriously. Stop.

  • LOL

    Dude. Cite studies. Appeal to people through logic. I’m not trying to insult you, but you’re being a dick and making the rest of us look bad. If you have nothing to contribute, be quiet. I can’t stop you – I get that – but I want you to know from someone who opposes vaccines vehemently, you’re being a dick.

  • AutismDad

    Get lost

  • LOL

    I wish you would – in research. You’re making me agree with Vernix. Unreal. That’s how ridiculous you sound. Stop being a troll.

  • I’m no longer going to address the other commenter in this thread because they are unreasonable people who refuse to use logic and common sense. But I will address the future readers of this comment who might be on the fence and doing research on this topic. To these readers, let me emphasize that vaccines work because it has been proven through the world decline in vaccinated diseases. But anti-vaxxers will always claim that the decline is not attributable to vaccines but to medical advances, improved sanitation, education, etc. How we know it’s wrong is the recent re-emergence of long-eradicated diseases caused by the anti-vaccination movement, as well as the decline of diseases in some of the most unsanitary locations, like in India and Africa. The correlation is pretty strong. The problem is, no matter how you fight and disprove anti-vaxxers’ points, they’ll come back with more fallacies, cherrypicked data, and strawman arguments in an attempt to move goalposts. So please, use common sense and look at the preponderance of evidence. Your children and your children’s children depend on it.

  • vernix

    You can’t even perform a simple Google search? What’s wrong with you? You can paste this link into Chrome, Safari, Lynx or any browser of your choosing. You *do* know how to copy and paste, I take it, right?

    http://www.google.com/patents/CA2328503A1

  • Utstroh

    Anyone that looks at the statistics in the United states will see that these diseases decreased dramatically before the introduction of vaccines.

    Anyone that reads the warning label that comes with a vaccine will see that vaccines can cause serious harm. So serious in fact that the manufacturers are not liable for the damage their vaccines do. The tax payers foot the bill for that.

    By common sense I believe he means accept the commonly held yet unproven belief that vaccines are safe and effective. Use your ability to think. Look at all the evidence or lack there of. Look for potential conflicts of interest in the sources you rely on.

    Watch out for people attacking the messenger instead of attacking their arguments. Watch out for people that cherry pick data and then accuse their opponents of that.

    Get vaccinated if you want but don’t force others to do this against their will especially if you refuse to read the warnings on the vaccine inserts.

  • Utstroh

    Again you can’t say what I would do if you prove a unicorn exists because you don’t have so much as a hoof print.

    It isn’t unethical to do a double blind placebo controlled study unless you proved that the vaccines work. You’re assuming that the vaccine works. Until the study is done there is no proof of that. You’re putting the cart before the horse.

  • AutismDad

    You’re no better than me. Stop being a dick

  • AutismDad

    Take your own advice. This isn’t an attack AutismDad forum.

  • It appears that the previous commenter is still posting fallacious information. So to the future readers of this comment, please read this article from Dr. Steve Novella:

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/vaccines-didnt-save-us-intellectual-dishonesty-at-its-most-naked/

    It will demonstrate the significant decrease in disease since the introduction of vaccines, and that people who argue the same point as the previous commenter have been misled by erroneous information.

    And to ignore the increase of disease since the reduction in vaccinations caused by the fear of vaccines created by anti-vaxxers is disingenuous. There is ample evidence that shows a resurgence of these nearly eradicated diseases with the reduction in vaccination in recent times.

    I encourage you to read this important article on the statistics as well as the truth behind many of the misconceptions pushed by anti-vaxxers.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm

  • AutismDad

    was that so hard??/ Its a patent application for transfer factor and its used to treat gut issues that MAY be caused by a measle virus. So how many millions has Wakefield made off this invention so far??

  • vernix

    “You’re assuming that the vaccine works.”

    That’s because they *do* work. Just because *you* aren’t satisfied doesn’t change the massive body of scientific proof that says they do. An overwhelming scientific consensus.

  • vernix

    “Wakefield made a conclusion that mmr might cause autism. Why would you lie about this?”

    You said he didn’t. I showed you where he did. Now your butthurt little self tries to quickly change course and spin. Aww, poor butthurt little one.

  • vernix

    No, but it is so much fun to poke the troll with a stick and watch the reaction!

  • vernix

    Hahahah! ButthurtDad is butthurt.

  • AutismDad

    Look up conclusion in a dictionary. Wakefield is a scientist who deals in hypotheticals. And its bizarre that you are fixated on my butt and butts that are hurt. Don’t explain why whatever you do.

  • AutismDad

    Shouldn’t you be running at windmills? Or are you still fixated on butts and butthurts?

  • AutismDad

    Freud would have a field day analysing you and your fixation on other men’s butts.

  • LOL

    I’ve found myself upvoting you. That’s how dumb he is.

  • LOL

    Hey, look, we agree on something.

  • Utstroh

    There isn’t a “massive body of scientific proof” there’s a great deal of anecdotal evidence supporting both sides of the argument and history which neglects all the other reasons and factors that play a role in public health.

  • LOL

    The reality is – kids in the US *don’t* die from the measles. They die in countries where they are malnourished and Vit A and D deficient. Not vaccinating isn’t killing kids, but vaccines have and do take and damage lives. Until that fact changes, parents like me are going to say no. I could say the same to you – that I hope you’re proud of supporting industries that are hurting little kids and lining their pockets.

    In terms of Whooping Cough – I really do understand the fear around that. The ones that do die are the little ones who are too young to be vaccinated anyway. Unfortunately, the vaccinated can and do spread the disease. Even the CDC says that the unvaccinated are NOT the cause behind the spread. “Even though children who haven’t received DTaP vaccines are at least 8 times more likely to get pertussis than children who received all 5 recommended doses of DTaP, they are not the driving force behind the large scale outbreaks or epidemics. ” http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/faqs.html

  • Utstroh

    It appears that the previous commenter is still posting fallacious information. So to the future readers of this comment, please read this…

    http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/nullvaccinesecondopinion2000.shtml

    And check out the documentaries vaccine nation and silent epidemic

  • LOL

    Sara, I’m going to do something I haven’t seen you or your pro-vax friends do once today in this thread. I’m going to say – no, I wasn’t aware, and I learned something new. What I learned is that formaldehyde is an essential chemical in the body and serves as a building block for the biosynthesis of more complicated molecules. I also learned that it doesn’t accumulate in our systems – we metabolize it too fast. So thank you for that – it’s something I didn’t know.

    Having said that, I dispute the notion that 25 recommended vaccines by the age of 6 months, 36 vaccines by the age of 18 months, 43 vaccines by the age of 4-6 years old and a whopping 68 vaccines by the ages of 11-12 years old – all loaded with formaldehyde and aluminum is safe and doesn’t have long term consequences that we don’t know about because it HASN’T BEEN STUDIED.

  • Sara Leonard

    It has been studied. Why exactly do you think the incidence of these preventable diseases are down in considerable numbers?

    To the theory that this is a profit line – that’s sort of silly. It’s pretty bad business to kill off your customer base. It’s more profitable to make drugs to treat these diseases than it is to create a vaccine. Considering so many vaccines are at such a low cost – that argument is rendered invalid.

  • Sara Leonard

    Prove your body produces a chemical that you seem to be afraid of? It’s called science.

  • vernix

    I don’t think you know what anecdotal evidence is in a scientific context:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

    These studies are *not* based on anecdotal evidence:

    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/benefit-publications.htm

  • Sara Leonard

    I think this crap will be curbed when civil action is taken against one of these parents. Some day one of their children will be traced as patient zero and sadly it will start with someone’s child being killed or disabled by a preventable disease. I hope those parents sue the responsible party and clean the anti-vaxx parents out of house and home. It may not be criminal liability but it will be civil and it’s coming. Sad that it will take a financial impact to make these people think about what impact they have on public health. It also amazes me that they would rather have a potentially dead child rather than an immunized child.

  • Sara Leonard

    Actually doctors can’t receive anything from pharma reps. As your camp likes to say “do your research”.

  • Sara Leonard

    They aren’t immune to lawsuits. If an injured party doesn’t get the verdict they expect from the VAERS system then they are free to file a civil suit.

  • Sara Leonard

    Yes because at some point it would be ethical to subject children to mumps and polio. Seems like an awesome adult study though. You’d be the first to volunteer right?

  • Sara Leonard

    He can’t – too busy making tin foil hats and looking for chemtrails.

  • AutismDad

    prove there are preservative free vaccines. They merely used others when thimerosal was removed.

  • Sara Leonard

    I will take issue with the numbers of vaccinated kids in CA as I live here. My daughter went to public school and they sent out notices that kids must have an updated TDAP. When school started they sent all unvaxxed kids to the gym for parent pick up. I can tell it it was not a small percentage of kids. Likewise recent numbers of people not vaccinating their children is high enough that west LA has lower rates than the south Sudan…so yeah that number is bullshit. 91% – the health dept wishes that were the number.

  • AutismDad

    Get real

  • LOL

    There are no scientific studies supporting the safety of many of the ingredients in vaccines and how they interact with each other, i.e., synergistically. Furthermore, vaccines are not investigated to determine if they interfere with human reproduction or can cause cancer. Vaccine package inserts specifically say those studies have not been done. If you have them, by all means, post them.

    Of course they profit. If you make an entire population sick with long term, chronic illnesses that can’t be tied back to your vaccine, you have guaranteed profit for industries that depend on people being sick. Doctors LOSE money if their vaccines expire before they’ve had a chance to administer them. Another reason they’re so pushy about it.

    Pharmaceutical profits from swine-flu-related drugs alone have soared – with earnings between $10 billion and $15 billion in 2009, according to estimates from investment bank JPMorgan.

    A report from 2007 entitled “Pipeline and Commercial Insight: Pediatric and Adolescent Vaccines,” written by vaccine analyst Hedwig Kresse, makes some interesting points about the future of vaccine profits.

    The report includes an assessment of products and forecast of market size and coverage rates to the year 2016, predicting that due to the “promising commercial potential” of new, high-price vaccines, the pediatric and adolescent vaccine market will quadruple from approximately $4.3 billion in 2006, to over $16 billion by 2016, across the US, the EU-five including France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and the UK, and Japan.

    The crucial factor for success in the pediatric market, the report notes, is the introduction of products into the national vaccination schedules.

    As an example, Dr. Kresse cites Wyeth’s Prevnar, as the first premium price vaccine launched in the US in 2000 for vaccinating infants against pneumonia and meningitis. Since then, Prevnar has been added to the childhood vaccination schedules in the US and EU-five despite its high price of nearly $320 for the four-dose regimen.

    The sad reality could be that the motivation for continually increasing both the number of shots given and the price of the vaccines is nothing more than a desire by big Pharma to improve “market share” and profits.

  • AutismDad

    Comedy is one of the hardest things to create. But with a subject like you to inspire me is seems like child’s play. Common act like a fool some more.

  • AutismDad

    easily fooled

  • AutismDad

    careful you don’t step in this post

  • AutismDad

    Completely UNBIASED studies from the CDC website…snicker

  • Sara Leonard

    They don’t care – they live in a bubble after all. They believe their choices don’t impact anyone else.

  • vernix

    *sigh* you’re right again. Here is a much better study:

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2897%2911096-0/abstract

  • vernix
  • AutismDad

    There is evidence the change in the vaccine for whooping cough is not working, because they changed its formulation. The older version that was causing serious adverse reactions (yes and they acted on it) so they made a change. So when you hear rare and mild remember this vaccine led to a change and its not anti-vaxxers claiming it.

  • Sara Leonard

    Use Google – type in preservative free vaccine. See how easy that was? Yes they exist – especially the fluzone flu shot.

  • Sara Leonard

    Oh god these people..#thestupiditburns
    Hopefully Darwinism will take over.

  • AutismDad

    The lancet credibility ZERO

  • AutismDad

    The american Academy of vaccine injectors.

  • vernix

    Have you heard of this guy Andrew Wakefield? I guess he’s really the leading authority on vaccines or something. Check it out sometime!

  • Sara Leonard

    Well you know I probably should be home barefoot and pregnant making my husband a cocktail but alas am not!

  • AutismDad
  • vernix

    So what have we learned? The following have no credibility:

    Real Medical Journals
    Real Medical Doctors
    Real Medical Researchers
    Scientists
    Pharmacologists
    Biologists
    The Lancet

    Thousands of studies showing vaccines are effective

    Who has credibility?

    Sheila from soccer who has that kid with the limp.
    Holistic Holly’s Homeopathic Remedies.
    The Daily Mail
    Jenny McCarthy
    Jenny McCarthy’s dog.
    Uncle Mike’s dog got autism from antifreeze and now he pisses himself every time he gets excited.

  • I know. The video I posted shows how horrible these diseases are without vaccines. But anti-vaxxers would prefer sticking fingers in their ears and pull the wool over their own eyes instead.

  • LMAO! Love it.

  • vernix

    John O’Leary doesn’t have a real good track record here. Forever tainted by Wakefield:

    http://briandeer.com/mmr/oleary-pcr.htm

  • scientist
  • eggman2

    Africa ! A person from Africa told me that in his country, the people in the villages that have been vaccinated limp from the leg where they got the shot. MUSCLE , NERVE AND WHAT ELSE DAMAGED ! Stop the bullshit propaganda, the people that have seen it with their eyes, don’t like vaccines.

    Vaccines are pseudoscience, as well as the germ theory, which is an unproven theory. Don’t you stupid vaccination freaks perceive the fact that it is always in malnourished populations where epidemics start ? I guess you can’t because you are too stupid. Or is it that you are psychopathic freaks being paid by the vaccine industry to disseminate propaganda ?

    Malnutrition causes disease, not germs.

    Another thing that causes disease is contamination. Look at the people in Liberia drinking contaminated water from the mining operations there, plus their deficient diet.

  • Lesley Davies

    the sad part of that is that their own children and everyone elses pay the ultimate price.

  • Lesley Davies

    If they interfere with human reproduction we would have been near extinction by now

    Second if they caused Autism every North American between the ages 30 -60 would be Autistic it just common sense

  • Lesley Davies

    You got what you deserved

  • Utstroh

    You don’t have to intentionally expose the participants. Just track them over time. I’d participate in that but it wouldn’t be double blind.

  • Utstroh

    Did I refer to those studies?

  • vernix

    I provided examples of studies from credible scientific sources that prove the effectiveness of vaccines. Just a small part of the massive body of studies that do so that *don’t* rely on anecdotal evidence.

    This counters your statement “There isn’t a “massive body of scientific proof” there’s a great deal of anecdotal evidence…”

  • AutismDad

    What a joke. Preservative free is just another vaccine marketing scam.

  • AutismDad
  • AutismDad
  • AutismDad

    must want vernix to butthurt you.

  • AutismDad
  • AutismDad

    I wish the same for you. You will have a child, niece, nephew, grandchild who is never the same after a series of vaccines. 1 in 27 boys in 2 states now. Your time will come when it becomes 100%.

  • vernix

    MSG and Autism – No scientific proof. None. Nada. Anectdotal “evidence” from your Uncle Mack is not credible.

    Thimerosal and Autism – “The evidence presented here does not support a causal association between autism and mercury exposure from the preservative thimerosal.”

    http://www.rozjec.ane.pl/pdf/7023.pdf

    Gender differences in the disposition and toxicity of metals – sure, but has NOTHING to do with vaccines. What, did you you want to throw in an article from a non-whacko source just to appear intelligent? The rest of your “sources” are just craptacular.

    But do keep trying. It’s ever so much fun tearing down your strawmen!

  • AutismDad

    Who said anything about double blind butt lover? We already know through the AMISH that unvaccinated populations have no autism. The Genome Project and subsequent gene studies have found under 10% and generally 3% of autism inherited. Where does the 90-97% come from? NOT THE PARENTS. NOT INHERITED. NOT BORN WITH IT.

  • AutismDad

    to vernix there is. pigs fly too

  • AutismDad

    wikipedia and CDC ?? BUH WAH HA HA

  • AutismDad

    credible sources like Wikipedia….buh wah ha ha

  • vernix

    So so angry. You must really be emotionally overwrought ;-)

    If you’d read Utstroh’s comment, *he* said

    “Until vaccines are proven to be effective by a double blind placebo controlled study herd immunity only applies in cases where natural immunity is acquired.”

    I specifically mentioned it in my next post as well, which you failed to understand. Double-blind means neither the subject nor the tester knows what they have or haven’t received – placebo or vaccine. I was addressing that issue when you went off to live with the Amish.

    You need to calm down, maybe take a deep breath, and relax.

    Because they’re watching you. BIG PHARMA is watching you…

  • AutismDad

    Does the strawman have a butt you want to hurt? Its not my fault you can’t read alternative material and learn, blame yourself or your parents. Wallow in your ignorance, you seem happy to be the dirtbag you are.

  • After so much back-and-forth with people who keep asking for proof of double-blind, placebo-controlled trial on vaccines (indicating there are none, as this above article states), I postulated that it would be unethical to willfully inject a placebo and expose someone to a virulent disease.

    But the writer of this blog post says that “Effectiveness cannot be determined unless one is then knowingly exposed to the disease entity following vaccination.” This leads me to conclude that the writer is either a sociopath, or simply ignorant and naive. (I’ll give them the benefit of the latter.)

    Because I thought my argument about the unethical nature of testing vaccines was pretty self-explanatory, but it seems to the equally misled followers of this blog that you can and must do a study by exposing people willfully to a virulent and deadly disease, even with an inert placebo thus endangering their lives.

    Otherwise, not doing so would be the unethical thing. These are the same people who choose not to vaccinate, exposing themselves and their children to disease. (Do I need to define “irony” for you?)

    So on a whim, I decided to do a search. From a simple, cursory search of Google, under “vaccine efficacy” along with “double-blind placebo-controlled” (study, analysis, or trial), here’s just a partial list of what came up in the first few pages of search results (and the list kept going but I stopped after a few pages).

    Before I share this list, I’ll pre-emptively admit that this list will mean absolutely nothing to vaccine denialists because of a plethora of cherrypicked reasons, such as “funded by pharmaceutical companies,” “not showing a true cross-section of the population,” “not a true placebo,” or [insert other goalpost-moving fallacious rebuttals here].

    So, for what it’s worth, here’s a very partial list of double-blind, placebo-controlled studies on vaccines for a variety of diseases, posted here for what it’s worth…

    Influenza
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21945258
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21060780
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20211953
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00356798
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00192179
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17167134?dopt=Abstract
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/123/2/475.full
    http://www.bmj.com/content/307/6910/988
    http://www.nature.com/pr/journal/v43/n4s/full/pr19982103a.html
    http://www.resmedjournal.com/article/S0954-6111(98)90346-8/abstract
    http://goo.gl/ZsGAqY
    http://www.chr-hansen.com/uploads/tx_tcdownloadables/chr-hansen_probiotics_immune-health.pdf
    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/irt/2011/759051/
    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=383571
    https://www.novavax.com/download/file/presentations/WHOFeb2011final(1).pdf
    http://www.vaxart.com/NRfiles/VaxartTabletH1N1VaccineProtectiveImmunity.pdf

    Pertussis
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00004800
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00707148
    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0083449

    Rotavirus
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00757926
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20692030
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20692031
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa052664
    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.4161/hv.24846#.VJGxgl4AAA

    Rubella
    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(96)12031-6/abstract

    MMR
    http://digitool.library.mcgill.ca/R/?func=dbin-jump-full&object_id=26170&local_base=GEN01-MCG02

    Hib, DTaP, HPV, Hep B, MMR, Pneumococcal, Polio
    http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/back-to-basics/how-are-vaccines-evaluated-for-safety/

    Tuberculosis
    http://goo.gl/wSW1rW

    Pneumonia
    http://www.lstmliverpool.ac.uk/research/departments/international-public-health/gender-and-health-group/case-study-3
    http://www.journals.elsevierhealth.com/periodicals/ymlc/article/S0022-2143(99)90204-4/abstract

    Tetanus
    http://www.medicusresearch.com/immunomodulatory-effects-of-resistaid-a-randomized-double-blind-placebo-controlled-multidose-study-2/

    E. coli
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18602960

    Bacterial infections (22+ trials)
    http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/center-for-immunization-research/publications/enteric_bacterial_infections/

    Anthrax
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X1300532X

    Cholera
    http://who.int/immunization/cholera_grad_effectiveness.pdf

    Herpes
    http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/10vol36/acs-1/index-eng.php

    Staphylococcus
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22192849

    Colitis and Crohn’s
    http://goo.gl/uNv2n0

    Cystic Fibrosis
    http://www.pnas.org/content/104/26/11020.long

    Multiple Sclerosis
    http://www.neurology.org/content/48/2/312.full.pdf

    Hypertension (Heart Disease)
    http://www.clinsciusa.org/cs/107/0167/1070167.pdf

    HIV
    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/194/12/1661.full
    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1186%2F1742-4690-9-S2-O54
    http://goo.gl/uPTqeV

    Cancer
    http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2407/12/361
    http://meetinglibrary.asco.org/content/129630-144
    http://meeting.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/abstract/24/18_suppl/7019

    Histamine/Allergies (Asthma and Allergic Rhinitis)
    http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(05)02597-2/abstract
    http://www.aacijournal.com/content/9/1/16
    http://www.gu.se/english/research/publication/?publicationId=59336
    http://www.embriahealth.com/products/epicor/research/human_clinical_trials/summary-of-human-clinicals-on-epicor#

    20+ links to PubMed-published studies and trials
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/flu-vaccine-efficacy/

    General search on vaccines efficacy
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=vaccine%20efficacy

    (Ongoing Studies) Meningitis, Flu, HPV, MMR, and more
    http://rokotetutkimus.fi/en/studies/currentstudies.html

  • vernix

    It’s a simple definition of “Anecdotal Evidence”. I think Wikipedia can handle that. But since you insist, here’s a simple dictionary entry for you. The dictionary is still a valued source, right?

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anecdotal

  • vernix

    Ad Hominem: the last resort of a lazy mind with an empty arsenal.

  • AutismDad

    I imagine your employer is watching you as you defend them. Typical response from a troll here to only distract and deflect and ignore anything viable, while acting juvenile, and showing immaturity thats embarassing to view. The more you try to appear intelligent the more stupid you sound. Must suck to be a pathetic little man.

  • AutismDad

    You seem to think only you posses knowledge. Such a pathetic little man

  • AutismDad

    Someone’s been reading Wikipedia again. Look how smart vernix is. He’s a bloomin hero he is. And a legend in his own mind.

  • vernix

    I can feel your righteous anger. Let it flow young padawan!

  • vernix

    You should be AdHominemDad, not AutismDad. Try it out!

  • vernix

    Beautifully illustrated! Keep going, you’re doing fine.

  • vernix

    What employer? I’m still in high school!

  • Stacey (the kids’ Aunt Tasty)

    HA! Yeah, I’m gonna cry about it. Definitely cry! Booooooooohoooooooooooo, some dumbass thinks all females are emotional. Oh, boo hoo. Yep. Crying. Tissued up, thanks!

  • Siggi

    The question is what is wrong with measles, mumps, rubella,…? These infectious deceases were on the decline before vaccines came along because of a higher standard of living. Today our children are sicker then ever. Who has heard of autism, ADD ADHD Guillaume Barre syndrome, ….. 30 years ago. You can stay blind and believe what the Pharmaceutical/medical industry are telling you or you start opening your eyes and using common sense ( which according to my 16 year old daughter is very uncommon ). And follow the money trail!!!

  • AutismDad

    Wow you actually found that there are studies on the internet. And I guess there is no reason they are there, it just happened. And they are studies done by wealthy independant labs with no ties and receiving no compensation. And there is no attempt to use them to market, advertise or imply safety. One has 4 test subjects. Another had over 100 subjects drop out with no explanation provided. And I only read 4 or 5.

  • AutismDad

    And we can certainly see by your posts that you are a Mensa candidate.

  • AutismDad

    rubbish what else.

  • AutismDad

    With the herd getting the illnesses they have been vaccinated for. Any other mental gems to share?

  • AutismDad

    The new vaccine is failing. Any other mental gems to share?

  • vernix

    Like everything else in the world, vaccines aren’t 100% effective. Subtle variances in strains of viruses, microevolution, and other factors can influence the level of infection.

    But you really don’t care to know that, do you?

  • vernix

    Yes, but why did you agree with me? Are you ill? Is something wrong? You just restated what I said, but in very simple terms.

    Still angry though, eh?

  • AutismDad

    Like everything else in the world. You know my shoes have never been accused of killing and maiming babies. Neither has my T Shirt. And we aren’t discussing infections we are discussing adverse effects and serious harm to babies. But of course you don’t really care do you? And you think spouting nonsense proves you are right, and smart and vaccines 100% safe. Don’t you ever tire of proving how dense you are.

  • AutismDad

    If you believe that you are a danger to yourself and others. Better check in the the closest psych ward.

  • vernix

    More ad hominem attacks. You think you’d learn.

  • Interesting. I agree that there are side effects. But tell me, do you have actual links to scientific studies? Because most of your links are to anti-vaccination, fear-mongering sites that only post opinions, or cherrypicked and misleading data.

    I mean, are there any studies published in medical, peer-reviewed journals? And to level the playing field, do you have links to studies to double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled studies, which is the same as was asked of me?

    Don’t worry, you don’t have to. I’m sure there are some, and I totally agree some vaccines carry risks and side effects. Some are serious. But the cost-benefit ration is pretty obvious. At least to me. So my opinion is that the scientific consensus shows vaccines work.

  • Some of these studies took 2, 3, even 5 years or more. So, are you saying that you’re expecting scientists to work for free for years, without any compensation whatsoever? I’d hate to think that the only way you’d be convinced of a vaccine’s effectiveness is one that was studied extensively, through a labor-intensive process, by a large number of credentialized, volunteer, expert scientists and laboratory staff. It doesn’t make sense, so I’m sure that’s not what you meant. I’d hate to think you would be that inconsiderate. So I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt.

  • Laura..94

    I’m sorry but this article it ridiculous.
    Their references use no scientific journals or papers whatsoever, their websites are only those of opinion and as said by another of the comments, scaremongering.
    Saying that scientists are performing these experiments and creating fake results for money is just insulting, I myself an am training to be a scientist and I do it not for the money but because I enjoy what I do. If you believe all of these people are doing it for the money then there are a lot of bad scientist out there which I know is not true. If you do not trust scientists then never go to the hospital, never take drugs, never use any of what we create only to help people, and see how long you last.
    In not vaccinating you child you put those at risk who cannot due to allergy get vaccinations, its called herd immunity I believe. I am no expert but as a student of science I believe unless you have a the qualifications to say what you are saying being completely unbiased and objective you should not say it at all.
    I myself along with everyone I know has had vaccinations to the best of my knowledge, we are all healthy individuals and have suffered no detrimental effects due to vaccinations.
    Have I missed anything?

  • vernix

    Vaccines aren’t 100% safe. Your shoes, however contain smelly athlete’s foot fungus. Keep them away from babies.

    And speaking of harm to babies, how about we go back to the pre-vaccine days of smallpox and polio? Then you can open a business selling teeny-tiny-teeny little coffins to all your friends!

  • vernix

    Dude I’m *posting* this from the psych ward! BTW they miss you and wish you would come back to finish your anger management therapy!

    Here’s a little link just for you:

    http://www.who.int/features/2010/smallpox/en/

  • Madison

    Autism is not caused by vaccines. It is developed prenatally and cannot be developed after birth. The same with ADHD. Dissapointing that people still believe it can be “contracted” or that a child is not born with it. A parents exposure to vaccines has NO influence on their child’s development either. Really disappointing to read.

  • frazierqueen

    Many of us believe because our children were hurt by vaccines. Not because we believe what we read on the internet. Reality is truth. May you never find the truth the way some parents do.

  • vernix

    Vaccines can indeed in rare cases cause injuries, but this article makes unscientific claims that mislead well-intentioned parents. It is a load of lies, half-truths, and scare tactics.

    The truth won’t ever come from “vactruth” or any other “scare” site. The truth is determined by hard, scientific, repeatable experiments. “I believe” is not scientific. “I believe” is emotional and subjective.

  • guest

    I’ve written extensive information about Dr. Wakefield. don’t let Vernix taut you. She/he seems to think that’s a button she can push.

  • guest

    Yes, the 2010 California outbreak resulted in the deaths of 10 babies. The devil is in the detail.

    California Whooping Cough outbreak: 91% fully vaccinated. “Most pediatric cases were vaccinated according to national recommendations, although 9% of those aged 6 months to 18 years were completely unvaccinated against pertussis. High disease rates also were observed in fully vaccinated preadolescents, especially 10-year-olds” Infants that died were not old enough to receive the DPT vaccine. California pertussis epidemic, 2010. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22819634.

    “Nearly a century after the release of the whooping cough (B. pertussis) vaccine, mounting evidence suggests that widespread mandated use of the vaccine could potentially be doing more harm than good in the long term—in addition to having been found lacking in the effectiveness department. As reported by The Washington Post:

    “The research suggests that while the vaccine (may) keep people from getting sick, it doesn’t prevent them from spreading whooping cough — also known as pertussis — to others.

    ‘It could explain the increase in pertussis that we’re seeing in the US,’ said one of the researchers, Tod Merkel of the Food and Drug Administration…

    Whooping Cough Vaccination Makes You an ‘Asymptomatic Carrier’
    The study, titled: “Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model,” used infant baboons to test the hypothesis that“current acellular pertussis vaccines fail to prevent colonization and transmission” of B. pertussis.

    Lead author Tod Merkel did comment to the New York Times that when exposed to B. pertussis after recently getting vaccinated, you could be an asymptomatic carrier and infect others, saying:

    “When you’re newly vaccinated, you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the population. http://healthimpactnews (dot) com/2013/fda-pertussis-vaccine-study-shatters-illusion-of-vaccine-induced-immunity/

    The 2010 California outbreak. Anne Schuchat, director for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at CDC stated at a news briefing this:

    “we know that people who are not vaccinated have about an eight times
    higher risk of disease than people who are vaccinated. We know there
    are places around the country where there are large numbers of people
    who aren’t vaccinated. However, we don’t think those exemptors are
    driving this current wave”. http://www.cdc (dot) gov/media/releases/2012/t0719_pertussis_epidemic.html
    This 8 times higher risk of disease has absolutely NO DATA to support it and none was presented. It’s as if she pulled it out of thin air.

    The brainchild of 2010 was the cocooning theory. If you had an infant in the home that was too young to have the shot, everyone else in the family and extended family should have the shot.

    “Infants that died were not old enough to receive the DPT vaccine.”

    Remember: Tod Merkel stated that the whooping cough shot made people carriers or in plain English, they are contagious. Who do you think those infants caught whooping cough from? Mom, Dad, sister, brother, grandparents-anyone who had the shot.

    “When you’re newly vaccinated, you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the population.”

    “These data suggest that cocooning is unlikely to be an effective strategy to reduce the burden of pertussis in infants.” “Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model,”

    Bottom line-the family members were contagious and those beautiful babies contracted the whooping cough from family and family utilized a strategy that had never been tested. This was the CDC/Vaccine makers test group. Other countries adopted this approach and have now labeled it a complete failure:
    As of June 30, 2012, Australia officially abandoned its funding of the cocooning strategy because clinical evidence has shown it not to be effective at protecting infants:
    PARENTS across Australia will no longer receive free whooping cough vaccinations because it is not effective in protecting newborns from the potentially deadly illness, a parliamentary committee has heard.
    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/states-ending-free-parent-whooping-vaccine/story-e6frfku0-1226350174856

  • guest

    Vernix continues to chant that there is link between Autism & vaccines. The one that confirmed that the CDC manuiplated the data is the only one needed.

    Research supporting Vaccine/Autism Causation

    Increased risk of developmental neurologic impairment after high exposure to
    thimerosal-containing vaccine in first month of life.

    Division of Epidemiology and Surveillance, Vaccine Safety and Development Branch, National Immunization Program, Centers forDisease Control and Prevention. 1999.
    Thomas M. Verstraeten,
    R. Davies, D. Gu, F DeStefano

    Background: Concern has risen on the presence of the ethylmercury containing preservative thimerosal in vaccines. We assessed the risk for neurologic and
    renal impairment associated with past exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccine using automated data from the VaccineSafety Data link (VSD). VSD is a large linked database from four health maintenance organizations in Washington, Oregon and California, containing immunization, medical visit and demographic
    data on over 400,000 infants born between ’91 and ’97.

    Methods:
    We categorized the cumulative ethylmercury exposure from Thimerosal
    containing vaccines after one month of life and assessed the
    subsequent risk of degenerative and developmental neurologic
    disorders and renal disorders before the age of six. We applied
    proportional hazard models adjusting for HMO, year of birth, and
    gender, excluding premature babies.

    Results: We identified 286 children with degenerative and 3702 with developmental neurologic disorders, and 310 with renal disorders. The relative
    risk (RR) of developing a neurologic development disorder was 1.8 (95% confidence intervals [CI] =1.1-2.8) when comparing the highest exposure group at 1 month of age (cumulative dose> 25 ug) to the unexposed group. Within
    this group we also found an elevated risk for the following disorders: autism (RR 7.6, 95% Cl = 1.8-31.5), non organic sleep disorders (RR 5.0, 95% Cl = 1.6-15.9}, and speech disorders (RR 2.1, 95% (1=1.1-4.0). For the neurologic degenerative
    and renal disorders group we found no significantly increased risk or a decreased risk.

    Conclusion: This analysis suggests that high exposure to ethyl mercury from
    thimerosal-containing vaccines in the first month of life increases the risk of subsequent development of neurologic development
    impairment,but not of neurologic degenerative or renal impairment. Further
    confirmatory studies are needed.

    Here is the transcript to the Simpsonwood Conferences held in Norcross, Georgia in June 2000 to discuss the finding of the above study. Here is the confession of one of the researcher confirming that the CDC manipulated the data to show that the link didn’t exist: http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/2.9.pdf

    My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998. I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not
    followed.

    link: http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

    If you want to walk through the entire sorry episode which includes the emails between Congressmen Weldon, the CDC-Julie Gerberding and others go to this link. There are copies of email exchanges between many of the players involved in the Simpsonwood Conference. http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html

  • guest

    Please provide the following:

    One INDEPENDENT double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of a childhood vaccines?

    Provide an INDEPENDENT scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety
    and effectiveness of vaccines?

    Provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

    Provide scientific justification as to how injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to
    human health and prevents disease?

  • vernix
  • vernix

    Sure, let’s deliberately expose a group of children to potentially deadly viruses to satisfy the unreasonable demands of a bunch of cranks.

    Your study hasn’t been performed because it would be monstrously unethical. And it’s unnecessary for our effective longstanding vaccines, which have shown to protect against measles and smallpox.

    Unless you expect me to believe that smallpox just went away on its own…

  • guest

    No Evidence of a Link: 91 Research papers
    supporting Vaccine/Autism Causation
    http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html

    Peer reviewed vaccine research supporting Vaccine/Autism Causation:
    http://therefurbishedrogue.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-list-of-peer-reviewed-vaccine-research/

    Thimerosal Exposure and the Role of Sulfation Chemistry and Thiol Availability in Autism. Int. J. Environ. Res. Public Health 2013, 10, 3771-3800. Kern, J.K.; Haley, B.E.; Geier, D.A.; Sykes, L.K.; King, P.G.; Geier, M.R.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3774468/

    B-Lymphocytes from a Population of Children with Autism
    Spectrum Disorder and Their Unaffected Siblings Exhibit
    Hypersensitivity to Thimerosal, published in the Journal of Toxicology.
    The full study and references can be viewed here. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/

    Frank B. Engley, Jr., PhD – A Pioneer in the research of Thimerosal Efficacy and Toxicity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR1sY5jd8jI. Frank Engley, PhD Interview: In May 2008, Dr. Frank Engley gave the only known taped interview about his research of mercury’s use in vaccines at the Autism One conference.

    Thimerosal Papers: Papers Showing a Connection Between Thimerosal Exposure and Neurological Harm
    http://www.ashotoftruth.org/thimerosal-papers

  • guest

    There is no change in the vaccine. The pertussis vaccine mutated back in the 1960’s. Possibly before than but that’s when the CDC really started taking notice of it. Pertussis vaccine was developed in 1912 and in the 1960’s when it because obvious that the measles vaccines mutated and a new strain was created called ATypical Measles Syndrome or AMS, from what I’ve read the research community started taking notice of the lack of response with the pertussis vaccine and realized it wasn’t working. GSK says it doesn’t work and they never bothered to check:

    Whooping Cough Vaccine Does Not Work – Says US FDA’s Research: https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/11/28/whooping-cough-vaccine-does-not-work-says-us-fdas-research/
    Bordetella Pertussis (B Pertussis) is the mutation of the Acellular Pertussis and there is no vaccine for it. Big pharma & the CDC have been pushing this vaccines for decades knowing it’s not effective. This is why there are whooping cough outbreaks all over the place. It doesn’t work and it’s a live virus vaccine that shed live virus.
    You will never look at vaccinated children the same!- Shedding Viruses- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKSeiAs_A4w

  • vernix
  • guest

    “Preservative-free” still gives you a 150 percent dose of FDA/EPA maximum:
    According to the CDC, vaccines labeled “thimerosal-free” often have a little asterisk to warn you: “This vaccine has ‘trace’ amounts of thimerosal, which the FDA says is equivalent to thimerosal-free products.” There are
    basically two kinds of flu shots given: one contains 25 mcg of mercury and is often given as the “regular” flu shot to those with no special circumstances, and the other is labeled “thimerasol-free” (containing fewer than 3mcg of mercury) and is given to young children and pregnant
    women.

    Take a look at “safe” and “un-safe” levels of mercury, per the FDA/EPA:
    Two part per billion is the maximum amount of mercury that deems water “safe” for drinking. Anything over 200 ppb mercury is considered TOXIC. But guess what?

    There is up to 300 ppb mercury in the “thimerosal-free” flu vaccine. There is 25,000 ppb mercury given in the regular flu shot.

    CDC consider a thimerosal containing vaccine with 3
    micrograms of thimerosal or less “thimerosal-free”? This is their definition, and they even site studies to support it (JAMA 1999; 282(18) and JAMA 2000; 283(16)). According to them, 3 micrograms of thimerosal has “no biological effect” and is therefore the same as not having been exposed to it at all.

    Call me skeptical, but I find that very hard to believe. I’ve seen the video from the University of Calgary: https://www.youtube.com & /watch?v=BtFsy0rQsak and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73XyJq9Z3-k
    Mercury Study & showing what happens to a neuron
    when exposed low levels of mercury.

    During an investigation into the mercury issue, HAPI learned that Thimerosal, a 50% mercury compound, is still being used to produce most vaccines and that the manufacturers are simply “filtering it out” of the final product. However, according to Boyd Haley, PhD,
    Chemistry Department Chair, University of Kentucky, mercury binds to the antigenic protein in the vaccine and cannot be completely, 100% filtered out.

    FDA admits in court case that vaccines still contain mercury: http://www.naturalnews.com/035432_vaccines_mercury_court_case.html

  • guest

    Vaccine doesn’t work. Never has.

    “Nearly a century after the release of the whooping cough (B. pertussis) vaccine, mounting evidence suggests that widespread mandated use of the vaccine could potentially be doing more harm than good in the long term—in addition to having been found lacking in the effectiveness
    department. As reported by The Washington Post:

    “The research suggests that while the vaccine (may) keep people from getting sick, it doesn’t prevent them from spreading whooping cough — also known as pertussis — to others.

    ‘It could explain the increase in pertussis that we’re seeing in the US,’ said one of the researchers, Tod
    Merkel of the Food and Drug Administration…

    Whooping Cough Vaccination Makes You an ‘Asymptomatic Carrier’

    The study, titled: “Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model,” used infant baboons to test the hypothesis that“current acellular pertussis vaccines fail to prevent colonization and
    transmission” of B. pertussis.

    Lead author Tod Merkel did comment to the New York Times that when exposed to B. pertussis after recently getting vaccinated, you could be an asymptomatic carrier and infect others, saying:

    “When you’re newly vaccinated, you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the
    population. http://healthimpactnews (dot)
    com/2013/fda-pertussis-vaccine-study-shatters-illusion-of-vaccine-induced-immunity/

  • guest

    How many children have died from whooping cough in the last 10 years?

  • guest

    The study concluded:

    California Whooping Cough outbreak: 91% fully vaccinated. “Most pediatric cases were vaccinated according to national recommendations, although 9% of those aged 6 months to 18 years were completely unvaccinated against pertussis. High disease rates also were observed in fully vaccinated preadolescents, especially 10-year-olds”. Infants that died were not old enough to receive the DPT vaccine. California pertussis epidemic, 2010. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pubmed/22819634

    Study: Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model,”

    Lead Researcher Tod Merkel of the FDA study concluded “The research suggests that while the vaccine (may) keep people from getting sick, it doesn’t prevent them from spreading whooping cough — also known as pertussis — to others.

    “Whooping Cough Vaccination Makes You an ‘Asymptomatic Carrier”

    Lead author Tod Merkel did comment to the New York Times that when exposed to B. pertussis after recently getting vaccinated, you could be an asymptomatic carrier and infect others, saying:

    “When you’re newly vaccinated, you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the population.

    The 2010 California outbreak. Anne Schuchat, director for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at CDC stated at a news briefing this:

    “we know that people who are not vaccinated have about an eight times higher risk of disease than people who are vaccinated. We know there are places around the country where there are large numbers of peoplewho aren’t vaccinated. However, we don’t think those exemptors are driving this current wave”. http://www.cdc (dot) gov/media/releases/2012/t0719_pertussis_epidemic.html

  • vernix

    “Vaccine doesn’t work. Never has.”

    “In the pre-vaccine era, whooping cough afflicted as many as 200,000
    children each year in the U.S. and killed about 8,000. The new vaccine
    shrank the incidence of pertussis from around 157 cases for every
    100,000 members of the population to one in 100,000.”

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-whooping-cough-vaccines-are-wearing-off/?page=1

    The conclusion is that the new vaccine needs to be improved to confer longer and more permanent immunity. No different than any other scientific process.

    Unless you want to go back to the days where whooping cough was prevalent and hospitalization was required.

  • vernix

    “Still, despite the reported limitations of the aP vaccine, immunization
    offers significant protection against pertussis, Witt explained.
    “Obviously, the [long-term] solution is a better vaccine,” he said. “But
    until we have one, recognition in the community and better vaccine
    coverage will blunt the severity of these outbreaks.”

    “The researchers compared populations of children who had received a
    first shot of wP and booster shots of aP to those who had received only
    aP or not been vaccinated at all. Witt said that the earliest cases from
    the 2010 outbreak, identified in Marin County, “were in a family that’s
    unvaccinated, in a town that has pretty high rates of personal belief
    exemptions.””

    Important to note is Marin County has the second highest rate of infection in California this year – along with the highest rate of PBE’s.

    “Still, despite the reported limitations of the aP vaccine, immunization
    offers significant protection against pertussis, Witt explained.
    “Obviously, the [long-term] solution is a better vaccine,” he said. “But
    until we have one, recognition in the community and better vaccine
    coverage will blunt the severity of these outbreaks.””

    Yeah, conclusion is get vaccinated to blunt the effects of the disease and produce a better vaccine with the long-term immunity of the whole-cell vaccine but without the side effects.

  • AutismDad

    The point is, studies don’t fall from the sky. They are connected to the industry and paid for by the industry in conjunction with government health agencies. To claim their existance is somehow proof of unbiased science and the unbiased science NEVER alters information and can be nothing but infallible and omnipotent is nonsense. When millions of investor dollars or government funding is on the line, you get cheaters who make sure that money is earned and paid.

  • AutismDad

    vermin has to go back to the nonsense ranting about pre-vaccine days. You mean before regressive autism skyrocketed in the 1980’s and 90’s? Same old vaccines aren’t 100% safe, but they are safe. Same old adverse effects are rare and mind. Mind death, and definitions of adverse effects being defined by their makers and promoters. Thats why VACCINE SPECTRUM DISORDER never caught on.

  • AutismDad

    ORAC a pharma paid stooge. Thats vermin’s proof

  • vernix

    Skyrocketed due to changing diagnostic criteria, perhaps? Did you forget to mention that little fact?

    http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2012/06/29/autism-surge-analysis/15957/

  • AutismDad

    WRONG and couldn’t be more wrong. Genetic studies have consistently found 3% inherited and in some studies up to but not over 10%. 90-97% are NOT inherited and that is SCIENCE at its best and most recent.

  • Lesley Davies

    Are you calling me stupid for saying that science trumps BS?
    If so get over yourself.

  • AutismDad

    Thanks for confirming my suspicions about you having an aide and doing puzzles when you’re not posting pure rubbish on here. And I’m not reading your link.

  • vernix

    Hmm drug-researcher scientist works indirectly for pharmaceutical company. SHOCKER! FRAUD!

    So what by your definition is a non-biased researcher? You’ve already eliminated universities, medical research facilities, drug developers, and medical doctors.

  • AutismDad

    Lets stick to the facts, not indulge the lunitic fringe

  • vernix

    “And I’m not reading your link.”

    I can just hear you pouting with your arms crossed and a frowny-face with a big pouty sigh. Keep on being that special bit of heaven that you are, Autie.

  • AutismDad

    No I’m just implying it.

  • AutismDad

    vernix follows ORAC and that pro-vac lunatic fringe

  • vernix

    More name-calling ad hominem attacks from you. Although I don’t really think your heart is in it anymore.

    But continue to ignore the fact that diagnostic criteria have dramatically changed if it helps your reasoning.

  • AutismDad

    There aren’t any dufus. There are no unbiassed studies or science. Science becomes proprietary and is worth $$$ Even a dumb cluck like you should realize that. Thats why studies don’t exist showing anything but positives for vaccines and no connection to autism. Ask Dr William Thompson CDC whistle blower, an expert on that subject.

  • AutismDad

    And one finger on each hand straight up all for you

  • AutismDad

    That criteria may help those who are trying to help you.

  • AutismDad

    Trash science bought and paid for.

  • AutismDad

    Your observations and conclusions are hilarious. Wrong, idiotic, but hilarious.

  • AutismDad

    crap on a scientific stick

  • Lea

    No surprise, the photo is provided by the Centers for Deceipt & Corruption

    Looks like the child just came home from a “well-baby” visit to the local
    quack pediatrician

  • vernix

    At this point I’m pretty convinced you’re just a ‘bot auto-replying with disparaging comments each time someone posts a link that disagrees with you.

  • Lesley Davies

    I hope you do better for your child then you do here on the internet.
    You feel insulted because we dont believe in your mistruths, indeed you got the responses you deserve.

    LOL you summed it up perfectly those who attack with ignorance will be faced with their own ignorance in return. And “AutismDad” to wish Autism or any other illness or disorder on anyone because they dont agree with you is disgusting beyond belief. Yoy should examine your motives. If you were setting out here to “educate” others, your low reaching wishes do nothing but prove you to be ignorant.
    Funny thing is we dont have to agree but a certain level of civility would be nice, sad you seem uncapable.

  • vernix

    Straight up … your NOSE. Now there’s a funny picture, but oddly fitting.

  • Lesley Davies

    Well said LOL
    He shames all who share your views.

  • vernix

    Ah, so you’ve completely rejected all science then. Thanks for clarifying!

    And regarding CDC fraud, I’ll just leave this *here*

    http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp

  • Lesley Davies

    Laughing at you not with you

  • Lesley Davies

    Not one of these is a credible source.

  • Citation to show I’m wrong, please? Thanks.

    By the way, AutismDad, let me respectfully ask you a personal question: I’m guessing by your name that you have a child or children with autism. If so, did you have them vaccinated, which is why you’re so adamantly against vaccines? If that’s the case, I’m glad. Dealing with autism is a struggle, I know. But the positive is that they are at least protected.

    Did you ever have them officially tested for autism? What stage in the sepctrum are they? And I’m wondering, did you ever have them tested as to link their autism to vaccines? That would be interesting. I’d love to know that information myself.

    I also ask this question because more and more scientific studies are showing that autism is mostly genetic and inherited (sometimes, by inheriting a specific combination of parental genes, even though the parents are not autistic). Even though the gene hasn’t been found, evidence is showing that it is indeed genetic. For example:

    “Research indicates that genetic factors predominate. The heritability of autism, however, is complex, and it is typically unclear which genes are responsible. In rare cases, autism is strongly associated with agents that cause birth defects.”

    This is important, as many studies suggest that, even though autism starts to show up later, during the developmental stages of the child, the brain alteration occurs long before that, often in the womb during embryogenesis. Therefore, vaccines may seem to correlate as the more pronounced symptoms of autism occur at a later date, but more and more studies are showing they are not causal.

    Thank you for your time.

  • Lea

    Exactly! We’ve traded a week with an uncomfortable rash with a lifetime of
    chronic disabling conditions, including children losing their ability to even
    speak!

    Makes no sense.

    #EveryChildCounts

  • Lea

    Interesting……..you might want to alert the Vaccine manufacturers,
    as they have listed autism & brain damage as adverse events on
    their vaccine package inserts.

    You know….those inserts that the pediatricians don’t have the time or the
    interest in reading.

  • AutismDad

    A dumbo would think that.

  • AutismDad

    buh wah ha ha

  • No they don’t. They say it was reported as a possible side effect. So they have to list that among others, by law. But it doesn’t mean it’s causal. More studies are showing it isn’t.

  • AutismDad

    Genetic studies do not show its mostly genetic. Numerous studies conclude under 10% with 3% being cited by several. That leaves 90-97% not inherited. For someone who posts long involved attempts to sound informed, you’ve really bombed this time. But nice job copying that drivel from some site like ORAC’S

  • First off, I was respectful in my request, so please respect me in return. Agreed? Now, as for the numbers you’re showing, citation please? I’d love to investigate your findings further. I’m not trying to mock you as I’m genuinely interested. I’m open-minded, and I’m ready to change my mind if there’s enough evidence to sway me.

    Thank you for your time.

    P.S.: What is ORAC? Thanks.

  • Oh, and please answer my other question: do you have children with autism and were they tested? Again, I have a personal interest in knowing the answer. Thanks.

  • tz1

    Given the difference in medical technology between before 1960 and today, those deaths would already have been cut down upon. Perhaps to the point they would be less than those who die from complications from the vaccinations themselves. If 1% get the measles, and 0.1% of those might have serious consequences, that is 1 in 100,000. If every 3rd citizen of the US is vaccinated and only 1 in 100,000 has a serious consequence from the vaccine, that is 1 in 1000, ten times greater.

    There was a similar (mis)calculation after 9/11. Flying is very safe, much safer than driving, but because of the terrorist threat, more people drove.
    This also assumes you don’t take into account the medical history of those who decide to vaccinate v.s. not. If there are specific risk factors for a disease (e.g. a compromised immune system), which are not present for the vaccine, then getting the vaccine is wiser. But it works both ways. If one might have problems with the toxins and allergens in the vaccines themselves, and have no known risk factors to getting the disease, then one ought not get the vaccine.

    If you encounter rusty nails often, get a tetanus vaccine. If you are going to sub-Saharan Africa, get vaccinated against everything you might encounter (since the hospitals there might not have what we have here). If you are going to be in an office, why?

  • Lea

    Yes…..life experience, unbiased research & common sense.

    Sounds like you’re gonna find out the truth the hard way, like so many
    of us.

    #CDCwhistleblower

  • AutismDad

    ORAC is a Pharma paid troll that pretends he’s just a random doctor with a website and an opinion. You don’t have to read much to see what his purpose is. Here’s a link to the POS scienceblogs.com/insolence

  • AutismDad

    Tested by whom? He was tested in numerous ways, then some useless doctor who mentioned nothing about vaccines gave us a diagnosis. Of course no test to prove vaccine connection took place.

  • AutismDad
  • guest

    that there is link between Autism & vaccines.

    That should read: that there is NO link between Autism & vaccines.

  • guest

    Seriously ScienceBlogs run by “ORAC” aka David Gorski. The Scienceblogs have been outted a long time ago as fully funded by big pharma;

    David Gorski’s Financial Pharma Ties: What He Didn’t Tell You
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/06/david-gorskis-financial-pharma-ties-what-he-didnt-tell-you.html

  • guest

    Pediatrics journal is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Pharmetutical industry:

    AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS
    “Friends of Children Fund” Annual Report, July 1, 1996 – June
    30, 1997, indicates $2.085 million in funding from corporations. Donors include Procter & Gamble, Gerber, Infant Formula Council, McNeil Consumer Products Company, National Cattlemen’s Beef Association, Johnson & Johnson Consumer Products, Abbott Laboratories, Wyeth-Lederle Vaccine & Pediatrics, Mead Johnson Nutritionals, SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals, Schering Corp., Rhone-Poulenc Rorer,Food Marketing Institute, Sugar Association, International Food Information Council, Merck Vaccine Division, and others.

    Formula manufacturers “donate $1 million annually to the American Academy of Pediatrics in the form of a renewable grant that has already netted the AAP $8 million. The formula industry also contributed at least $3 million toward the building costs of the AAP headquarters.” (Mothering magazine, July-August, p.60; refers to a book Milk, Money and Madness by Naomi Baumslag and Dia L. Michels (Westport, Conn.: Bergin and Garvey, 1995, p. 172))

    According to a New York Times article, the Ross Products Unit of Abbott Laboratories, the maker of Similac infant formula, purchased 300,000 copies of the AAP’s “New Mother’s Guide to Breastfeeding” with Ross’ logo and name on them. In addition, “Ross, McNeil and Johnson & Johnson were the top three corporate supporters of the academy’s $65 million operating budget…each giving $500,000 or more.” (New York Times, 9/18/02, C1) Integrity in Science

    Oxford journal study done by CHOPS-aka Paul Proffit. No more needs to be said.

    Science Direct: The study appeared in a journal that Merck purchased years ago.

  • guest

    How then can the vaccine industry be described in brief? It is a “partnership” between government and private companies in which government pays for most of the research and may even develop and license the vaccine for its own profit, as it did in the case of Gardasil. The same government then reviews the vaccine for safety and efficacy—and surprise!—approves it.

    Private companies produce the vaccine, with heavy government subsidies, and then roll it out to the states, often with a strong federal government recommendation to make it legally mandatory for school children. Once the shot reaches doctor’s offices and schools, the manufacturer is shielded from any legal liability for “adverse events.” The federal government also generally dismisses any such reports and refuses to investigate them. It
    also refuses to do follow-up studies to see if the shot is actually
    conferring much immunity.

    All of this is an absolutely shameless example of conflicts of interest, disregard for public safety, and crony medicine at its worst. Yet when challenged by these facts, public health officials in charge of the federal vaccine program may just dismiss critics as “cranks” or “flat-earthers.” Bloomberg News in an editorial parrots the line that vaccines are our only hope for the flu and calls for an even bigger government/ private partnership to develop them. To the contrary, a good start at dealing with this mess would be legislation taking government out of either the vaccine development business or the vaccine approval business and giving parents more choice about what is injected into their children.

    Vaccines: A Crony Capitalist’s Dream
    Chapter 16 of Hunter Lewis’s New Book Crony Capitalism in America.

  • guest

    The Spectator 16th February 2009
    A Deer In The Headlights By Melanie Phillips
    http://www.whale.to/vaccine/a_deer.html

    EPA Microbiologist Dr. David Lewis Wrote the Book on Research Misconduct – Then Throws the Book at Brian Deer
    http://www.ashotoftruth.org/blog/epa-microbiologist-dr-david-lewis-wrote-book-research-misconduct-then-throws-book-brian-deer

  • vernix

    I’ll repeat my post below:

    Hmm drug-researcher scientist works indirectly for pharmaceutical company. SHOCKER! FRAUD!

    So what by your definition is a non-biased researcher? You’ve already eliminated universities, medical research facilities, drug developers, and medical doctors.

  • vernix

    Once again, rejected credible, legitimate research in favor of fringe quackery. No wonder no one takes the anti-vaxxers seriously.

  • vernix

    Hunter Lewis: Supports Andrew Wakefield’s fraudulent research.

    Can’t you provide any sources that don’t cluster around the same wellspring of lunacy? Do all these anti-vaxx guys get together yearly for a “conference” at the local 7-11 parking lot or something?

    You forget that you people are derided because of positions like Lewis’ that are non-scientific. By clinging to Wakefield and crew you’ve demonstrated an irrational lack of rigor in your sourcing and vetting of the information you base your positions upon.

    No wonder the scientific community scorns you. And rightfully so!

  • guest

    Nice rant but you didn’t answer any of the questions.
    “monstrously unethical”

    Study Title: Scientific Review of
    Vaccine Safety Datalink Information June 7-8, 2000 Simpsonwood Retreat Center Norcross, Georgia.
    Transcript On Issue Of Mercury In Vaccines: http://www.thinktwice.com/simpwood.pdf

    A secret meeting is held between CDC scientists and industry consultants (including representatives from vaccine manufacturers) at Simpsonwood, Georgia. At this meeting, the scientists and consultants discuss how to approach the initial data from the Verstraeten et al.
    (CDC) study showing a relationship between Thimerosal (mercury) exposure and autism incidence. It is egregious that vaccine manufacturers would be involved in vaccination policy decisions where they have potential product liability.

    Cogent comments from the meeting:

    Lead Researcher: Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 165: “Personally, I have three hypotheses. My first hypothesis is it is
    parental bias. The children that are more likely to be vaccinated are more likely to be picked and diagnosed. Second hypothesis, I don’t know. There is a bias that I have not recognized, and nobody has yet told me about
    it. Third hypothesis. It’s true, it’s Thimerosal.

    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 166: “When I saw this, and I went back through the literature, I was actually stunned by what I saw because I thought it is plausible.

    Dr. Weil, pg. 207 – the man representing the American Academy of Pediatrics [the very organization that helped to set guidelines for vaccine policy – the organization said to be “dedicated to the health of all children”]: “The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant. The positive relationships are those that one might expect from the Faroe Islands studies. (study on aluminum in vaccines)

    My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998. I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant
    information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism.
    Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.
    http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

    The study that Dr. Thompson is referring to is the Simpsonwood study.

    You support a position that has consciously and deliberatly chose a course of action that has caused death and damages to millions of children around the world. You chant “”monstrously unethical”? Indeed the CDC and the Pharmetutical Industry is morally repugnant as well as monstrously unethical. They have engaged in this activity for decades. They made a choice to allow children to be harmed for the sake of power and profit. Your support of them aligns you with their moral reprehensiveness.

    Keep your moral outrage to yourself when you have a sitting CDC scientists confessing that they committed fraud.

    I’m still waiting for you to answer the questions now that the distraction has been cleared up.

  • guest

    I find it interesting that you can’t help but call others names. That is a sign of being out argued.

  • guest

    Have you not read the current research. They can’t make a better vaccine because it continues to mutate. Measles & B Pertussis has been around for decades and all it’s done is generate outbreaks in areas where it’s being given. All live virus vaccines shed and create outbreaks because VACCINATED CHILDREN & ADULTS ARE CONTAGIOUS. Whooping cough as well as measles are cyclical illness. They come in cycles and a vaccine has never disrupted those cycles. You fool people into thinking vaccines work and you will have the same problem that occurred in California in 2010. Families vaccinating to protect babies and babies contracting the whooping cough from the family using some untested cocooning procedure. The babies in California are not the only ones that have died using this protocol.

    You cannot make a better vaccine because vaccines cannot impart natural derived immunity. Vaccination initiates the WRONG T Cell response.

  • guest

    Can you write a civil post without vitriol language? I know it’s a troll tactic but at some point you begin to look unintelligent.

  • guest

    Please provide information that disputes the information I have provided. If you are a hired troll you should know about the conflict of interest between the medical community, the government and the pharmaceutical companies. There are many congressional hearing transcrips online you shlud read to come to speed. You should know that the Pharmetutical industry owns medical journals, writes and pays for their own studies, hires ghostwriters to write positive articles and studies and pays doctors to use their names. Your lack of sophistication is really showing if you don’t know these basic that have been documents for the last 20 years.

  • guest

    Cochrane Collaboration. Probably the only ones left.

  • vernix

    Simpsonwood and Thompson have been thoroughly debunked. Sorry anonymous guest.

    http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp

  • vernix

    And you are truly naive if you have dismissed scientific research on the basis of government funding, CDC ties, ties to pharmaceutical companies, or whether the research was done by a major university.

    Please provide your criteria for research that is acceptable to you.

  • guest

    Snopes????
    Wow. That’s a tap out.
    The confession of Dr. Thompson is a matter of public record and he has turned thousands of pages of CDC documents over to Congressman Posey. That’s not even worth debating about-especially when you use snopes as a source.

  • guest

    All the science based blogs are funded by the Pharmetutical Industry.

  • vernix

    See no matter what sources I use in an argument, you dismiss them based upon whatever left-field whacko logic passes for reasoning in your mind.

    And in regard to Cochrane Summaries being a reliable source in your mind, the first page of results for a search on “vaccines” returns a whole group of studies endorsing the effectiveness of vaccines. Even the COPD article recommends them despite minor flare-up side effects.

    Are those studies part of your vast conspiracy? Is Cochrane now a tool of the evil Big Pharma and Big Allopathy?

    And Snopes is one of the most reliable sites for debunking pseudo-science and chain-mail tomfoolery, which is probably why conspiracy cranks and homeopath whackos and anti-vaxx loonies hate it.

    You like to list articles supporting your arguments, but it is painfully obvious that you’re simply cherry-picking.

  • guest

    Are you familiar with the Simpsonwood Conference.
    In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session — only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug
    Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including
    GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly “embargoed.” There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left. (My note: Excluding the media and the public from this meeting was illegal)

    At this meeting, the scientists and consultants discuss how to
    approach the initial data from the Verstraeten et al. (CDC) study
    showing a relationship between Thimerosal (mercury) exposure and autism
    incidence.
    ******It is egregious that vaccine manufacturers would be
    involved in vaccination policy decisions where they have potential
    product liability.

    The study: Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information June 7-8, 2000 Simpsonwood Retreat Center Norcross, Georgia.
    You can read the entire transcript at: putchildrenfirst.org.

    In regards to autism and genetics, Dr. Weil representing the American Academy of Pediatrics made this statement:

    When the participants tried to say the rise in Autism and other neurodevelopmental diseases was genetic, he told them, “We don’t see that kind of genetic change in 30 years.” In other words, how can we suddenly see a 300% increase in a genetically related disorder over such a short period? It is also known that there are two forms of autism, one that is apparent at birth and one that develops later in childhood. The former has not changed in incidence since statistics have been kept; the other is epidemic.

    Dr. Weil of the AAP, pg. 207: “The
    number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically
    significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They
    are statistically significant. The positive relationships are those that
    one might expect from the Faroe Islands studies. They are also related
    to those data we do have on experimental animal data and similar to the
    neurodevelopmental tox data on other substances, so that I think you
    can’t accept that this is out of the ordinary. It isn’t out of the
    ordinary.”

    -Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40-41: “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three
    and six months of age, language and speech delays, which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of
    these plus a number of other disorders.”

    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 165: “Personally,I have three hypotheses. My first hypothesis is it is parental bias.
    The children that are more likely to be vaccinated are more likely to be picked and diagnosed. Second hypothesis, I don’t know. There is a bias that I have not recognized, and nobody has yet told me about it. Third hypothesis. It’s true, it’s Thimerosal. Those are my hypotheses.”

    Dr. Verstraeten is the lead researcher.

  • guest

    I rank snopes with Wikipedia.
    Yes, Cochrane’s European group has endorsed vaccines when the studies are paid for by the pharmetutical companies. This has hurt their creditability. I always say the devil is in the details. When I read a study or research I research all sources. I research the researchers, their connections to pharma and the current employers connection to pharma, I research the funding source. Those two will tell you exactly what the outcome of a study/research will be without even reading the study itself. After researching drugs for over a decade you see a clear pattern in the conclusions.

    Also, Cochrane has come forward many times over the years and qualified why they came to the conclusions that they did on certain drugs. They can only study what data they are given by the vaccine maker. When they are contracted to do a study they have to wait until they receive the information to study.

    Before any drug goes on the market it’s suppose to be tested by the FDA. FDA hasn’t tested vaccines in decades:
    “FDA virologist Peter Reeve…….. acknowledged that the
    FDA suspended
    its own independent tests of vaccine purity 15 years ago, leaving it entirely up to the
    manufacturers to ensure the vaccine is contaminant free.”–‘The Virus and the Vaccine’: Atlantic Monthly. (still available online)
    This article was written in 2000 so the FDA hasn’t done their job since 1985. Another neat trick drug makers in the US is able to do is NOT reveal damaging test data so when a drug is approved it doesn’t mean it’s safe because of the standards allowed. Vioxx is good example.

    Ben Goldache sums things up nicely in his book “Bad Pharma” How drug companies mislead doctors and harm patients
    Excerpts:
    -Drugs are tested by the people who manufacture them, in poorly designed trials, on hopelessly small numbers of weird, unrepresentative patients, and analysed using techniques that are flawed by design, in such a way that they exaggerate the benefits of treatments.
    Unsurprisingly, these trials tend to produce results that favour the manufacturer. When trials throw up results that companies don’t like, they are perfectly entitled to hide them from doctors and patients, so we only ever see a distorted picture of any drug’s true effects.
    Regulators see most of the trial data, but only from early on in a drug’s life, and even then they don’t give this data to doctors or patients, or even to other parts of government. This distorted evidence is then communicated and applied in a distorted fashion.

    In their 40 years of practice after leaving medical school, doctors hear about what works ad hoc, from sales reps, colleagues and journals. But those colleagues can be in the pay of drug companies – often undisclosed – and the journals are, too. And so are the patient groups.
    And finally, academic papers, which everyone thinks of as objective, are often covertly planned and written by people who work directly for the companies, without disclosure. Sometimes whole academic journals are owned outright by one drug company. Aside from all this, for several of
    the most important and enduring problems in medicine, we have no idea what the best treatment is, because it’s not in anyone’s financial interest to conduct any trials at all.

    “The results from every randomised controlled trial (45 out of 45) favoured the drug of the sponsor.”

    How does this happen? How do industry-sponsored trials almost always manage to get a positive result? Sometimes trials are flawed by design. You can compare your new drug with something you know to be rubbish – an existing drug at an inadequate dose, perhaps, or a placebo sugar pill that does almost nothing. You can choose your patients very carefully, so they are more likely to get better on your treatment. You can peek at the results halfway through, and stop your trial early if they look good. But after all these methodological quirks comes one very simple insult to the integrity of the data. Sometimes, drug companies conduct lots of trials, and when they see that the results are unflattering, they simply fail to publish them.

    This statement applies to many of the Cochrane’s studies on vaccines and they have qualified it which they have received backlash from pharma.

    “In any sensible world, when researchers are conducting trials on a new tablet for a drug company, for example, we’d expect universal contracts, making it clear that all researchers are obliged to publish their results, and that industry sponsors – which have a huge interest
    in positive results – must have no control over the data. But, despite everything we know about industry-funded research being systematically biased, this does not happen. In fact, the opposite is true: it is entirely normal for researchers and academics conducting industry-funded
    trials to sign contracts subjecting them to gagging clauses that forbid them to publish, discuss or analyse data from their trials without the permission of the funder.”

    However Cochrane has a group of scientist that have not bowed down to big pharma because they are scientist not paid for spokesperson’s for the industry. Despite big pharma and their online trolls attempting to discredit them, they have maintained their integrity and present the science as it is.

    Dwight D. Eisenhower stated this in his farewell speech:

    “Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

    In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

    Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been
    overshadowed by task forces of scientists in labaratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for
    intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

    The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded.

    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

    He was referring to what has gone to pass, Science For Sale.

  • vernix

    “Yes, Cochrane’s European group has endorsed vaccines when the studies are paid for by the pharmetutical companies. ”

    “However Cochrane has a group of scientist that have not
    bowed down to big pharma because they are scientist not paid for
    spokesperson’s for the industry. Despite big pharma and their online
    trolls attempting to discredit them, they have maintained their
    integrity and present the science as it is.”

    So now it’s not Cochrane that’s acceptable, just a small subset of scientists. So who are these acceptable scientists?

  • AutismDad

    Thanks for the DUH!

  • AutismDad

    There was one vaccine listing autism, but that was a few years back and it no longer says that. So it leaves a mere dozen or so adverse effects left.

  • AutismDad

    All adverse effects are “possible” but they use the term to imply its unlikely. Causal requires more study and honesty, 2 things that won’t happen.

  • putz

    Dear Ms Goldstein,
    Please do research and understand the fallacies of
    conspiracy theories. How intelligent people rationalize and then create
    arguments for a conspiracy is numerous. Once you understand these
    fallacies then rewrite this paper without using those fallacies if it is
    possible. One example of the many fallacies is by attacking the
    character and not the message. Using your example above It would be easy
    for me say that “I cannot trust a mental health professional with my
    mental health because they get paid to help the mentally ill so they have no interest in me getting well” THis is just one example but your paper is riddled with conspiracy fallacies as a mental health professional I’m sure you can understand my concern.

  • Lea

    The insert states that these “adverse reactions were included because of the seriousness & frequency of reporting.”

  • Lea

    True….A great article referencing this:
    “Tripedia insert disappears, does that mean the children harmed by this vaccine also disappeared?”

    vaxtruth.org/tag/tripedia/
    just click link at top of page to access article

    I think the comment by Sheri Friedlander following the article pretty much sums up the dangers of these CONcoctions.

  • barb6984

    Prove it. Saying it’s so doesn’t make it so.

  • AutismDad

    Thanks. There are a number of trolls and misinformed, brainwashed posters who need to follow up on that site. Maybe a miracle will happen and it will sink into their conscious thoughts.

  • AutismDad

    No one clings to Wakefield wilnot. He isn’t an anti-vaccine messiah as you conspiracy spin doctors fraudulently portay. Wakefield is also accused fraudulently of having his own vaccine that he purportedly wanted to use to replace the faulty MMR made my GlaxoSmithKlineMengele. So how does a vaccine making patent holder become anti-vaccine? Well only spin doctors with their own form of psychosis can explain that. In vernix (vermin) we see a bozo who vomits untruths like an alcoholic on Sunday morning. vernix uses personal observation and a faulty memory to post garbage that contains exaggeration, twisted facts and pure lies. He thinks he’s clever. Then shows he isn’t. Who he hopes to convince are the other trolls who obviously do no research, while regugitating what main stream media publishes as minions for government/Pharma’s coalition.

  • AutismDad

    Nice try OFFIT

  • AutismDad

    So define “possible side effect” The term possible says it all. Its possible with every injection.

  • AutismDad

    you’ll grow instantly when your employer threatens to ruin you if you don’t keep quite. And you’ll learn that the only thing that keeps vaccine damage quiet is the fact that government health agencies in a coalition with vaccine makers, define what vaccine damage is. If they say vaccines don’t cause autism, its the official word. Just like George DUBYA Bush’s “weapons of mass destruction” which was propaganda and pure dishonesty, government makes the call and backs it up in law and with the full force of law to back it.

  • vernix

    Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist. You quickly seem to forget how Wakefield was the rallying point for antivaxxers until people failed to replicate his results and called shenanigans.

    Then you backtrack and spin because your major talking point was a fraud.

    And he was and still is a proponent of autism-vaccine causality even though no credible study has ever confirmed that.

    But that’s right. You conspiracy nuts have your own little list of ‘approved’ researchers don’t you?

    It’s really actually very sad to read your excuses for wakefields fraud. Really shows confirmation bias.

    No wonder no one takes the antivaxxers cult seriously.

  • AutismDad
  • AutismDad

    See that’s the problem with living under a rock. When you slither out you become disoriented. You also prove you don’t understand the Wakefirld saga. But thats what gives you licence to invent and imagine what it means. Try reading something NOT written by ORAC the messiah of pro-vac trolls, like yourself.

  • AutismDad
  • AutismDad

    don’t give vernix that much credit. He only comes on here to promote misinformation and act as if he’s intelligent. As we can see there is no Academy Award in his future. Pan Handling maybe.

  • AutismDad

    vernix likes to speak for others and to sum up things in his own ridiculous troll way. A sure sign of his lack of intelligence.

  • AutismDad

    wah wah vernix is having a hissy fit

  • vernix

    Same old tired litany of how the ONLY valid science is what the anti-vaxxer cult approves of. Same old defense of the indefensible fraud Andrew Wakefield, and the same old spin of how he *never* made mention of *any* autism-vaccine link.

    Keep lying to yourselves – it just makes you cultists look completely silly and explains why *no one* takes you nutters seriously.

    It proves how little scientific integrity you actually have by criticizing all science outside of your little Wakefield-O’Leary bubble of negligent “research”.

    I used to feel bad for people like you – people who have personal experience with a disease like Autism, but blaming vaccines in light of all the proof against any vaccine-autism link just makes you extremely pathetic and gullible.

    And dangerous to others too, by continuing to spread lies, misinterpretations, and pseudo-science.

    I mean, you people are actually trying to convince people that smallpox just eradicated itself, and that MMR never worked, the flu vaccine is a failure, and that all vaccines are evil and made by evil companies.

    Most people are smarter than that, though. They don’t believe that crap because they realize that there is no conspiracy, and that the concept of one is as ridiculous as lizard people controlling the president.

    That’s your level of credibility with regular folks these days.

  • vernix

    Ad hominem = No valid argument.

  • vernix

    Government/Pharma *conspiracy*, you mean. Yeah it’s a conspiracy that public funds are used to fund basic research.

    In in regard to Wakefield not being the most visible anti-vaxx messenger, he’s even paired up with the most reliable of vaccine authorities, Jenny McCarthy in this:

    Callous Disregard – Autism and Vaccines–The Truth Behind a Tragedy

    Andrew J. Wakefield, Foreword by Jenny McCarthy

    Good god man, Jenny frickin McCarthy! LOLOLOLOL

  • Utstroh

    Deadly immunity by Robert F Kennedy is also a great article.

  • Utstroh

    Perhaps, if someone wants to weigh the pros and cons off vaccination they should read everything suggested in this thread and deadly immunity by Robert f Kennedy.

    The article, fact checked by rolling stone and salon and so far not disputed in court by anyone, has quotes from cdc, fda, and other govt officials and vaccine manufacturer representatives conspiring to keep the real risks of vaccines (those not listed in the package insert) from the public.

    After you read that decide if you can still trust the cdc fda who etc and their “research.”

  • Utstroh

    Then it should be easy for you to prove every point in the article wrong one at a time.

  • Utstroh

    Perhaps, if someone wants to weigh the pros and cons off vaccination they should read everything suggested in this thread and deadly immunity by Robert f Kennedy.

    The article, fact checked by rolling stone and salon and so far not disputed in court by anyone, has quotes from cdc, fda, and other govt officials and vaccine manufacturer representatives conspiring to keep the real risks of vaccines (those not listed in the package insert) from the public.

    After you read that decide if you can still trust the cdc fda who etc and their “research.”

  • AutismDad

    autism isn’t a disease Einstein. As for intergrity your are in the negative. And vaccine makers and health agencies like FDA, and CDC, hardly register themselves. Every post you show what a clown you are. Keep up the good work.

  • AutismDad

    Where did I say those things? Are you having a breakdown? Try commenting on what “I” say, not on what you so poorly comprehend me posting.

  • AutismDad

    Read it some time ago. Problem with many things written about this issue, they aren’t strong enough and they are easily contridicted. Without proper research from credible sources, many will not believe. And with Government health agencies, mainstream medicine and vaccine makers in one corner, its hard to find anyone who can trump them.

  • vernix

    “He isn’t an anti-vaccine messiah as you conspiracy spin doctors fraudulently portay.”

    You were downplaying Wakefield’s significance to the anti-vaxx nutter cult with this statement. I addressed that.

  • vernix

    “autism isn’t a disease Einstein”

    I realize that it’s a spectrum of disorders. Thanks for the correction though!

    “And vaccine makers and health agencies like FDA, and CDC, hardly register themselves.”

    More conspiracy-theory claptrap. Maybe David Icke is right, and the lizard-people are fluoridating the water in order to spread Autism, which is actually an adaptation to the climate-change mechanism being promoted as a precursor to colonization.

    You should check it out. It holds just as much credibility as an autism-vaccine link. In the meantime, for an example of real scientific progress towards understanding the causes of Autism:

    http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/12/new-computer-analysis-finds-mutations-associated-with-autism-cancer/

  • AutismDad

    I guess it got lost in that blah blah stool sample.

  • AutismDad

    No I’m not interested in the garbage you enjoy and promote.

  • vernix

    If you close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears and go “LALALALALALLALALALA CAN’T HEAR YOU!”, you aren’t invisible, you know…

  • vernix

    Wakefield-McCarthy for King&Queen at the AntiVaxx Cult Prom! Who will you be taking, Autie?

  • Utstroh

    True, but in this case there are quotes from high ranking officials and proof that a secret meeting took place amongst these people. There I’d also no lawsuits from people claiming they were misquoted. Personally, the most important aspect of this information is that it discredits some “reliable” sources. If people dismiss it out of hand then the vaccines are there for them, and I won’t quibble about their right to do what ever they want to themselves as long as they don’t hurt anyone else or insist that others use these… products….

  • Utstroh

    Interesting studies that conflict with the warnings printed on the package inserts.

    Here are some facts from the package insert you may want to be aware of:

    “There have been no controlled trials adequately demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with FluLaval.”

    and

    The package insert states that “Safety and effectiveness of FluLaval have not been established in pregnant women, nursing mothers or children,” and “Safety and effectiveness of FluLaval in pediatric patients have not been established.”

    A 2011 scientific study published in The Lancet reveals that influenza vaccines only prevent influenza in 1.5 out of every 100 adults who are injected with the flu vaccine.

    Hardly seems worth all the risks printed on the package inserts and all the ones that aren’t yet confirmed.

  • laura_94

    How about when I am the employer? I’m sorry but I will not listen to such rubbish, until you have a science degree and have worked with employers you cant say anything. That’s like me walking into a hospital and telling the surrounding he’s doing his job wrong, what do I know, nothing cos I have first had experience. Get your head out the sand and stop thinking everything is someone else’s fault.

  • Laura_94

    So automatically if its not inherited its vaccinations fault? Bit of a jump to conclusions that. Ever heard of random mutations?

  • vernix

    Package Inserts: Another Anti-Vaxx meme debunked:

    http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/vaccine-package-inserts-debunking-myths/

    “A 2011 scientific study published in The Lancet reveals that influenza vaccines only prevent influenza in 1.5 out of every 100 adults who are injected with the flu vaccine.”

    Mike Adams doesn’t know the difference between relative and absolute risk reduction. LOL.

  • Utstroh

    As someone with family seriously injured by a vaccine I understand both.

  • Utstroh

    …so you’re saying package inserts lie? The warnings aren’t real risks that can occur from using the vaccine?

  • vernix

    As someone with a brain and the ability to spot B.S. a mile away, I *also* understand both.

    Your personal anecdotes, while possessing emotional appeal scarcely bear any importance on the interpretation of scientific studies.

  • vernix

    I’m saying that anti-vaxxers are misreading the inserts and spreading misinformation in general as usual.

    http://pages.vassar.edu/viva/?p=657

  • Utstroh

    So then your saying their aren’t warnings about potential risks in the package inserts? Because that’s all I’m referring to, but you deny they exist and claim that there are no risks associated with vaccines and printed in the package insert?

  • Utstroh

    You should have your BS meter checked. While my personal anecdote may have no bearing it has made the statistical risks real in my family. Since others that read through these threads may be on the fence on a decision a description of anecdotal experience may motivate them to continue doing their homework.

  • vernix

    Read my sources and stop putting words into my mouth. The following should be clear enough even for an anti-vaxx cultist.

    http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/vaccine-package-inserts-debunking-myths/

  • vernix

    Just because my friend won the lottery, it has no bearing on whether I win the lottery or not. The odds remain the same. Anecdotes =/= Scientific Research.

  • Utstroh

    So then your saying vaccine inserts lie and the warnings of risks printed on them are not real?

  • Utstroh

    It’s an opinion piece from a skeptic site. It’s not “science.” I trust skeptic does as much as you trust Mike Adams. Show me a peer reviewed study that says the vaccine inserts overstate the risks associated with vaccines.

    Otherwise we all know the warnings are in the package insert for a reason. The risks are real, many of them serious, and the vaccine makers must add warnings to their products the same way cigarette manufacturers do in order to protect themselves.

    I haven’t made any claims about the frequency of these risks but even if they are rare the risk is significant considering how treatable and common the diseases they supposedly protect against are. If that seems like a good trade off to you then by all means knock yourself out but don’t pretend the risks don’t exist (more scientifically proven than the efficacy of the vaccine that induces the risks) while you try to convince others to take the same risks you do.

  • vernix

    “I haven’t made any claims about the frequency of these risks but even if
    they are rare the risk is significant considering how treatable and
    common the diseases they supposedly protect against are”

    The problem is not the existence of risks (which occur with any medical treatment), but rather the misrepresentation of these risks as highly probable by the anti-vaxx cult. Rare but serious side effects like Guillain–Barré syndrome go from extremely rare (1 in 100,000) to simply “uncommon but very real”, or “the risk is significant”. Additionally, fraudulent claims of Autism causality continue to to be made, scaring the lay public into avoiding vaccines and incurring real, actual risk.

    This sort of thing is of course, scaremongering and is disingenuous in the extreme. The real victims, however are the people the anti-vaxx cult have swindled into this line of thought whose children will now have to endure childhood diseases that the rest of the civilized world has left in the past.

    And in regards to Mike Adams and the lack of a scientific study, he’s demonstrated a fundamental lack of understanding of what is written on package inserts. Nothing subjective about it, simple ignorance and/or willful manipulation. More agenda-pushing by the cultists.

  • Utstroh

    Well I know one person with Guillen barre and another is a family member. Both contracted it after a flu vaccine. So while it may be rare it is much more serious (and permanent) than the flu.

    I never said anything about these problems being common. I said they exist, they’re printed on the package insert, and they’re more serious than the disease the vaccine supposedly prevents. So if you’re not picking apart what I’m saying then just comment. There’s no need to reply to me.

    As to your comments about Mike Adams, I often disagree with him but I almost always disagree with the skeptic websites that also have their own agenda and are easier to link to a motive.

  • Utstroh

    I never said anything about autism either, although Robert f Kennedy did in his piece deadly immunity. Which is not an opinion piece and has stood up to fact checking.

  • vernix

    No, “Deadly Immunity” has *not* stood up to fact-checking. RFK continues to propagate the thimerasol-vaccine-autism myth.

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/trouble-in-the-library/

  • vernix

    “even if they are rare the risk is significant”

    This is a scaremongering statement meant to dissuade through irrational fear. If a side effect is extremely rare, the risk is *not* significant. The risk is tiny by comparison to the risk of contracting the disease, especially in people who are immunocompromised.

  • AutismDad

    childish ad hominem attack. No surprise.

  • AutismDad

    ad hominem and childish.

  • AutismDad

    In the world of vaccine manufacturing and promotion there are no reliable sources. Thats a major part of the problem. Vaccine makers, CDC/FDA, mainstream medicine, and the courts define what vaccine injuries are. They have created definitions that support their own lies. Then they can say adverse effects are rare and mild. Their definitions are the rare and mild ones ONLY

  • AutismDad

    cos? NOT a word

  • AutismDad

    How do “random” mutations occur genius? ALL mutations are caused. The NVICP has compensated for vaccine caused gene mutation. Put that on your bunsen burner and smoke it.

  • vernix

    ” blah blah stool sample.”

    Merely responding in kind for a change. Thought I’d switch it up, you know?

  • vernix

    That’s not an ad hominem attack – I was merely stating a fact, in case you didn’t know. Consider it providing a service for the intellectually-starved.

    Oops, that *was* an ad hominem attack… ;-)

  • Utstroh

    In effect, they are immune to lawsuits…

    According to the childhood vaccine injury act…

    “Victims may file a civil suit against a vaccine manufacturer or the vaccine administrator given the following: The VICP petition is dismissed or ruled non-compensable. The VICP compensation offer is rejected by the claimant. The vaccine is not covered by VICP.” From: http://www.healthofchildren.com/C/Childhood-Vaccine-Injury-Act.html

    However back in reality…

    “It is true that you can sue a vaccine manufacturer regarding a vaccine that is not included in the Program. That would include a shingles vaccine that is currently being marketed in the US. Good luck trying to bring a suit. It would be very costly for you to bring suit. You would have to perform major research studies (think hundreds of thousands of dollars or more) plus more expenses. I do believe that you need to reside in a state that does not have punitive tort reform measures. Of the 15 petitions filed in the NVICP claiming shingles vax injuries, none of them have filed a civil suit. Those injuries are not considered life threatening. No death or GBS claims so far. The two other conditions that you mention are still codified in statute, but are considered mute since Bruesewicz decision was handed down by US Supreme Court in Feb 2011. The Court in a split decision, ruled that petitioners cannot file suit after exiting the Program for product design defect such as injury. So the end result is the only way to file suit is for claims regarding fraud. And an individual might have problems establishing legal standing. The current discussion for fraud would be to hold Merck liable for fraud regarding clinical trial data problems for Gardasil. But that would be the federal gov’t suing Merck for fraud. And that will not happen. I have spoken with a few large product liability firms that represented several thousand claims of injury from thimerosal prior to the establishment of the Omnibus Autism Proceedings. Most of these claims were filed in state and fed courts in the late 1990’s. And most of them were dropped after the ridiculous ruling of Leroy v HHS. These law firms are not interested in spending millions to develop the necessary research studies for civil suits or class action suits. Basically, until Bruesewicz is over ruled by an act of Congress, the NVICP is the exclusive remedy for vaccine injuries. And our fed gov’t is racing to approve the shingles vax and a couple others so there is no exposure to vaccine manufacturers.”
    Wayne Rhode author “The Vaccine Court – The Dark Truth of America’s Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.”

  • Utstroh

    By your own definition your statement is scare mongering. The risk of contracting a “vaccine preventable” disease is rare and the immune compromised are less common.

    The risk of complication is admittedly rare but you’re warping my words to suit your purposes. The risks that the package insert claims may occur, while rare, are SERIOUS AND SIGNIFICANT. Many of them are much more significant and serious than a normal bout, or even a serious bout with the diseases the manufacturers claim they prevent.

    Note while that may scare some people any fears will be based in reality and facts admitted by the manufacturers and the vaccine court.

  • Utstroh

    Another opinion piece by a skeptic site. Have any of the individuals or institutions quoted by RFK filed any charges against him or the media that fact checked and printed his piece? No. Please reply with another skeptic site.

  • vernix

    “The risks that the package insert claims may occur, while rare, are SERIOUS AND SIGNIFICANT”

    No, the side effects are serious and significant. The chances of experiencing these side effects are vanishingly small, therefore the risk is also vanishingly small.

    You’re conflating serious consequence with serious risk, and that’s just simply wrong in this case.

    Hence, scaremongering.

  • vernix

    Why would they bother with criminal charges? Last I checked it wasn’t illegal to be wrong. Otherwise the anti-vaxx cult would have a mountain of lawsuits… ;-)

  • Utstroh

    No, Guillen barre is a VERY SERIOUS AND SIGNIFICANT complication caused by vaccines. Go quibble over semantics somewhere else.

  • vernix

    … With an extremely small risk of about 1 in 100,000 cases. To put that into some perspective, the chances of being struck by lightning over the course of a lifetime is about 1 in 3,000.

    It’s more than semantics – you are simply incorrect.

  • AutismDad

    No it means you’ve conceded. Now you can build yourself back up by opening that thing you call a mind and start acknowledging that those calling for safe vaccines can’t be anti-vaxxers, and that they have a legitimate reason for wanting to be able to trust that vaccines provide protection and not causing side effects like autism.

  • AutismDad

    more of the same. LAME. No wonder you are so poorly informed, growing up is a good thing, try it.

  • vernix

    Hey what’s this? Another ad hominem attack from Autie? Have a Merry Christmas!

  • vernix

    “No it means you’ve conceded.”

    You’re right!

    I concede that you are an ill-informed member of the church of anti-vaxx.

    I concede that your arguments are based upon pseudoscientific claims ranking up there with HAARP and the Lizard People.

    I concede that your anti-vaxx litany is ultimately harmful to the most vulnerable section of the population and their children and elderly relatives.

    I concede that even when confronted with solid scientific repeatable peer-reviewed *proof*, you will invent, spin, deny, and outright lie to protect your weak-minded beliefs.

    I concede that persistence is your only strength, and that this quality will ensure that you will continue to attempt to misinform, mislead, and trick people into exposing themselves unnecessarily to disease.

    I concede that everyone not part of your belief system is a part of the nefarious “conspiracy” to promote vaccines solely for profit motives.

    I concede that your beliefs lead you to conclude vaccines do nothing at all and such diseases like smallpox and measles declined all by themselves.

    Oh, and Merry Christmas! ;-)

  • Utstroh

    No it’s semantics. If a tin foil hat that supposedly protected me from lightning strikes, but the proof was sketchy to say the least, also put me at risk of some other form of serious pain, suffering, and paralysis I’d take my chances with the lightning. In hindsight I know the patients on my life wish they could still make that choice. You are wrong to try to make light if a very serious affliction caused by vaccines. Anyone considering vaccines should know the risks.

  • Utstroh

    At the very least those weird in the article could sure for defamation. Considering how serious the charges and quotations in the article are it’s surprising, to say the least, no one has.

    It’s not about being wrong it’s about assassinating the characters of multiple industry leaders and govt officials.

  • Utstroh

    Also…

    “The statute of limitations (SOL) for the NVICP is 3 years from the onset of injury or 2 years for death. There is no legal recourse that can be taken regarding compensation in the NVICP for any injury or death case that the SOL has expired.”

    So as in the case of my family member, and no doubt many others, if you don’t realize you’ve been injured by a vaccine and get your ducks in a row immediately you’re out of luck in terms of compensation.

  • AutismDad

    Yea my son had his Vaccine caused Christmas seizure early so we’re going to celebrate even harder.

  • AutismDad

    As long as you know you’re below me in the pecking order.

  • vernix

    What was your settlement from the vaccine court? Just curious.

  • vernix

    Or they just don’t take anti-vaxxers seriously. I mean, the majority of the world thinks the anti-vaxx cult is a crazy joke, so….

  • vernix

    Yeah I am definitely lower in the pecking order for the anti-vaxx cult. That truly hurts!

  • vernix

    Except that the proof of vaccine effectiveness is held as “sketchy” by sketchy anti-vaxxers.

    “Anyone considering vaccines should know the risks.”

    And anyone advising others of these risks should have a firm understanding of relative risks and statistical probability, which you clearly demonstrated that you *don’t* possess.

    This fundamental lack of knowledge either through ignorance or outright willful denial is why the anti-vaxx cult has as must respectability as David Icke.

    And I’m not making light of the serious side effects of vaccines. I’m pointing out your dangerous ignorance of basic math. Big difference.

  • vernix

    I’m sorry your son has Autism. I’m even sorrier he has a father who blames it on vaccines…

  • What you fail to realize, ultimately, is that most parents were once as rabidly pro-vaccine as you were. After going through the “medical merry-go-round” or “medical ponzi scheme”, whatever you wish to call it, and getting virtually no answers, many have had a change of heart and faith.

    Let me ask, @vernix:disqus, do you have any children?

  • vernix

    Yes, and they’re both fully vaccinated.

  • Utstroh

    Another skeptic blog/site with opinions to try to support your claims.

    Rfk doesn’t say anything about the Wakefield work. He talks about studies that were discussed at Simpsonwood that were never released to the public.

  • vernix

    “He talks about studies that were discussed at Simpsonwood that were never released to the public.”

    And therefore never properly reviewed and replicated. And at Simpsonwood no less. Wow. Great sources that are sure to inspire confidence.

  • AutismDad

    Do they compensate for autism? No they have DEFINED autism as not connected. Clever of them to eliminate the worst case scenarios by simply controlling the adverse effects definitions. Then they can claim only rare and mild reactions, the only ones they admit.

  • AutismDad

    Any grandchildren? By fully vaccinated, how many total vaccines? And no health issues at all? Migraines, allergies, learning disabilities (though probably inherited).

  • AutismDad

    Thats what all Pharma paid trolls say. But you get paid anyway right?

  • vernix

    No grandchildren yet. And the full vaccination schedule. No vaccine-related side effects other than a sore shoulder.

    But as I said before, anecdotes by themselves are meaningless.

  • vernix

    Yes, I am on “Big Pharma’s” payroll. But “Big Pharma” is of course a front for the Lizard-People controlled shadow government, and I am paid in rodents instead of money.

  • vernix

    Clever of them to not hand out money for things not caused by vaccines.

  • AutismDad

    Well with autism numbers predicted to be 1 in 2 children by 2025, that should take care of your grandchildren.

  • AutismDad

    So childish. You’re an embarrassment to yourself.

  • AutismDad

    No its an abuse of power not admitting vaccine cause.

  • vernix

    If you can’t prove a direct causation through legitimate, peer-reviewed scientific research, you’re just squirtin’ diarrhea into the wind, Bud.

  • vernix

    Don’t worry, I set fairly low personal standards. That’s why I keep posting in the comments section of a VacTruth “article”. LOL!

  • vernix

    http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/news/2014/rising-awareness-may-explain-spike-in-autism-diagnoses

    Wow, better diagnoses and awareness! But *still* no causality link from vaccines. Sorry Charlie, you lose again!

  • AutismDad

    Sounds like someone is having a flashback to the day he was born.

  • vernix

    No that was *meconium*, and it nicely illustrates the autism-vaccine “link” touted by the Cult of Anti-Vaxx. A giant green bile-laden steaming pile of stinky meconium.

  • AutismDad

    Must be nice to know you’ve reach the pinacle of what you can be. Now you can relax and enjoy your late twenty’s and beyond.

  • AutismDad

    When its 1 in 2 children any moron will be able to diagnose it. Maybe this is a chance for that career change you’ve wanted.

  • vernix

    Late 20’s *sigh*. Those days are long gone.

  • AutismDad

    Too much information. And don’t talk about your mother that way.

  • vernix

    Still no causality link for Autism-Vaccines! Despite calling me a moron, which was a brilliant tactic that I did not see coming.

    No Vaxx-Autism link.

    BTW, did I mention there is no vaxx-autism link?

    LOLLOLOLOLOLOL!

  • AutismDad

    Theres a big difference between no link and refusing to identify or admit one. Ask the parents what they saw after a series of vaccines.

  • vernix

    Nope. No credible study reports a causal relationship despite what well meaning but misguided parents think they observe. Autism is a big enough tragedy without pseudoscientific conclusions from parental anecdotes.

    Still no causal vaccine autism link.

  • AutismDad

    And these credible study reports, you have them to share? And explain why its a world wide “genetic” event. Apparently it takes generations for new mutations to affect a population. Based on that, it doesn’t fit. But just like vac pushers always do, they don’t discuss anything and claim they don’t know. Its a big mystery why a normal child becomes autistic AFTER a series of vacs.

  • James M. Barber

    Conspiratorial bullshit. Please stop pretending you somehow know more than scientists and doctors who are studying this. You dont.

  • vernix

    Again anecdotes are not science. Just because I was diagnosed with cancer after going to a Cubs game doesn’t mean baseball is carcinogenic.

    Also I’m for good credible research. It’s just that the antivaxxers don’t have any credible sources that aren’t laughed off the journal pages.

  • Conrad Kuiper

    What an incredible load of denialist bullshit.

  • RHL

    This is just dangerous. The few quotes she has are from other anti-vax sites instead of actual scientific studies.

  • nickdiable

    This is utter bull shit.

  • AutismDad

    OK clueless. And you think vaccines are perfected? You think VAERS and NVICP are set up by anti-vaccine conspiracists?

  • AutismDad

    I asked you to share your studies. Why won’t you? Oh because you would rather talk nonsense about a connection between baseball and cancer.

  • AutismDad

    Well said.

  • AutismDad

    Poorly thought out. Must have been a highschool dropout.

  • qqqjones

    You sound like an immature teenager, still living in your mother basement because you haven’t learned enough social skills to get a date, and instead get your kicks from trolling.

    Am I right?

  • qqqjones

    Exactly! Where is the motivation to find a link and put the big pharm in bankruptcy?

  • qqqjones

    ROTF. The people doing the “credible reports,” are not credible. Neither are you, acting like a mocking scumbag toward people who want the best for their children.

  • qqqjones

    Vaccine Scandals and Criminal Cases Increase in 2014

    Let me ask you something, Vernix. How credible are companies engaged in proven criminal behaviors?

    Do you understand the concept of losing the presumption of authority when an industry is committing crimes?

    Do you understand how dumb and dishonest it makes you look when you claim to be an expert but seem to miss all the scandals?

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/vaccine-scandals-and-criminal-cases-increase-in-2014/

  • qqqjones

    The studies are not dismissed, the studies are suspect. And they should be. Criteria for acceptable research would be an addendum listing all sources of funding and vested corporate interests in the results of the research.

    You are truley naive if you don’t think muli-billion dollar deals that make sociopaths uber-billionaires are stopped by the results of a study which can easily bought for a few million and a little career pressure and threat of loss of employment and retirement on research scientists.

    You aren’t they naive about money enfluencing research, are you?

  • qqqjones

    Funny. I figured you were the auto-replying bot posting disparaging remarks.

  • qqqjones

    Snopes is one of the most reliable sites for debunking

    Snopes is not reliable. You must be out of your mind.

  • qqqjones

    You sound like a paid purveyor of bullshit. I bet you wouldn’t have had any ethical problems going before the UN, showing a vial of sugar and swearing it was proof that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

    I mean hell. For American corporations to make trillions in war profits, a few white lies have to be told. Right? Especially if your livelihood is part of the war machine or the big pharm empire.

  • qqqjones

    What an incredible example of normalcy bias.

    The government would never lie, school teachers would never fu*k their students, big pharm would never skew data to make billions. All in well in Pleasantville, if you ignore the mayor has a Swiss bank account and the police chief is running drugs.

  • qqqjones

    I cannot trust a mental health professional with my
    mental health because they get paid to help the mentally ill so they have no interest in me getting well”

    Really? Do you really consider dispensing drugs an interest in mental wellness?

    Anyone who has known someone loaded to the gills on anti-depressants, xanax, pain pills and who knows what else, would pause and think twice about seeing a mental health professional about mild depression. Since mild depression usually becomes permanent depression and an inability to get off the prescribed drugs.

    How come mental health professional don’t suggest trying a diet change like eliminating sugar, for mild depression? Oh, that’s right. Because you are bound by rules and regulation devised by the pill industry.

    Freakn’ eating 5 pounds of sugar a week couldn’t have anything to do with depression, and even it did, dispensing pills is much more efficient when you are dealing with masses of people seeking help.

    Its not that I’m trying to bust your balls, but don’t act like mental health professional have all the answers, because they don’t. Not even close.

  • qqqjones

    Wasn’t that the Lois Lerner defense? There is no link between IRS audits of conservative political organization because all the emails evaporated in a hard drive crash and the IRS didn’t have backup?

    I say there is no link because no one has any direct monetary interest in finding a link, and 100 of billions at stake not finding a link.

    What do you think of that?

  • qqqjones

    No wonder the scientific community scorns you.

    That’s an overstatement. I’d bet if the scientific community was surveyed it would be heavy with anti-vaxxs.

    Why? Because scientist are intelligent enough to know bogus science, and smart enough not to take that chance on their kids. You seem to miss the mass protest of nurses in NY and California who walked off the job when forced by their hospitals to be vaccinated.

    How do you explain that? That you are better informed than dumb nurses?

  • vernix

    I’ll rate that as a 4 out of 10. You’ve got a long way to go to match autismdad in the insult game.

  • guest

    My comment was in response to Vernix constant mantra of No link between Vaccines and Autism”. There are hundreds of studies confirming the link. She/he is a troll so I wanted to emphasize that point to the people who are here still looking for answers. Basically I was saying ignore her/him. Here are a couple of sites that confirms the links:

    -B-Lymphocytes from a Population of Children
    with Autism Spectrum Disorder and Their Unaffected Siblings Exhibit Hypersensitivity to Thimerosa. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/

    -Thimerosal Exposure and the Role of Sulfation Chemistry and Thiol Availability in Autism. Kern, J.K.; Haley, B.E.; Geier, D.A.; Sykes, L.K.; King, P.G.; Geier, M.R. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3774468/

    -http://www.ashotoftruth.org/science/frank-b-engley-jr-phd-interview

    -http://www.ashotoftruth.org/thimerosal-papers

    -http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html

    -http://therefurbishedrogue.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-list-of-peer-reviewed-vaccine-research/

  • guest

    No wonder the scientific community scorns you. And rightfully so!

    LOL…………Than I am doing something right!!!! The scientific community is not revered for their integrity, honesty and performing science for the benefit of mankind. Science is bought and paid for by the government and corporations:
    Big Pharma’s Big Fines
    http://projects.propublica.org/graphics/bigpharma

    I worked in a profession where on a daily basis was involved with pediatricians and other medical professionals and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt-they are shaking their heads at how parents suffer from gullibility and willful ignorance. My daughter in law works in the same field today and she tells me nothing has changed when it comes to Doctors vaccinating and medicating their own from the time I was actively involved in the profession.

    “what has been neglected in this debate largely is the overshadowing role that the federal government plays – is something that President Eisenhower actually warned about when he left office. He talked about how the federal government was beginning to put so much funding into
    universities to do studies that the government was interested in the outcome that that eventually was going to create a situation where science would be largely controlled by the federal government. And, so, having worked as a government scientist myself for over 30 years, I saw this developing within the US Environmental Protection Agency. I also saw it as I interacted with the CDC in Atlanta and other federal agencies such as the Department of Agriculture: There has been an evolution of government intervention in science over the last 30 years
    that I think clearly has reached the stage that President Eisenhower warned about – that is, much of what you read in the scientific literature that has been funded by the federal government — some agency- is actually engineered to produce results that support certain government policies and industry practice”
    Science For Sale: Dr. David Lewis

    “Medicine is broken. And I genuinely believe that if patients and the public ever fully understand what has been done to them – what doctors, academics and regulators have permitted – they will be angry. On this, only you can judge. We like to imagine that medicine is based on evidence, and the results of fair tests. In reality, those tests are often profoundly flawed. We like to imagine that doctors are familiar with the research literature, when in reality much of it is hidden from them by drug companies. We like to imagine that doctors are well-educated, when in reality much of their education is funded by industry. We like to imagine that regulators only let effective drugs onto the market, when in reality they approve hopeless drugs, with data on side effects casually withheld from doctors and patients. I’m going to tell you how medicine works, just over the page, in one paragraph that will seem so absurd, so ludicrously appalling, that when you read it, you’ll probably assume I’m exaggerating. We’re going to see that the whole edifice of medicine is broken, because the evidence we use to make decisions is hopelessly and systematically distorted; and this is no small thing.”

    BEN GOLDACRE
    Bad Pharma: How Drug Companies Mislead Doctors and Harm Patients

    You’re a paid troll and your perspective is the perspective of your handler. You are not fooling anyone. We’re done.

    “I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.” – George Bernard Shaw

  • qqqjones

    “I’ll rate that as a 4 out of 10. You’ve got a long way to go to match autismdad in the insult game.”

    ROTF. Oh, I don’t know. You sound like you were never socialized as a male and have many daddy issues. You ought to fix that before you start trolling in public and your mouth starts writing check you can’t cash.

  • AutismDad

    Pre- 1986, the year the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Plan FARCE was initiated, they were being litigated out of business. In a panic, governments offered them blanket “IMMUNITY” from all forms of litigation. Now they have no fear and they can experiment with reckless abandon. No surprise the world wide autism epidemic quickly followed. Vaccines have never been perfected, and it may be an impossibility, but they will never stop because science never stops. These psychopaths care only about their dreams, and their pretence that they are genius, omnipotent humanitarian super heroes. Any thing like deaths and serious side effects are denied, because you not only can’t sue, but they have government protection. One form of protection that flies in the face of SCIENCE, is that vaccine makers and promoters are the ones who sit on vaccine safety boards and they define what adverse effects are. It gives them complete control over information and this information is fed to media and used to deny 4 out of 5 NVICP claims. Then they say adverse effects (by their definition) are rare and mild.

  • AutismDad

    Pre- 1986, the year the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Plan FARCE was initiated, they were being litigated out of business. In a panic, governments offered them blanket “IMMUNITY” from all forms of litigation. Now they have no fear and they can experiment with reckless abandon. No surprise the world wide autism epidemic quickly followed. Vaccines have never been perfected, and it may be an impossibility, but they will never stop because science never stops. These psychopaths care only about their dreams, and their pretence that they are genius, omnipotent humanitarian super heroes. Any thing like deaths and serious side effects are denied, because you not only can’t sue, but they have government protection. One form of protection that flies in the face of SCIENCE, is that vaccine makers and promoters are the ones who sit on vaccine safety boards and they define what adverse effects are. It gives them complete control over information and this information is fed to media and used to deny 4 out of 5 NVICP claims. Then they say adverse effects (by their definition) are rare and mild.

  • AutismDad

    Who will do this science that will expose vaccines? CDC, FDA, Merck, GlaxoSmithKline? Or do you foolishly think there are labs sitting around that will touch and critic proprietary property only to be sued and put out of business and black-balled by government and industry?

  • James M. Barber

    So your idiot theory and unscientific form of study really is what drives you. Sorry there’s no one to blame for your child’s autism, how bout now you go post about better treatment and training on dealing with autism. Ino read of spreading unsubstantiated claims. You are fighting for the wrong stuff, and you are worse off for it.

  • Pediatrics has obviously zero credibility in anything and any study they promote; and their level of vested interests in vaccines conflict of interest, is massive

    Junk Science? Number 71: Big Pharma bias and inaccurate conclusions in vaccine research

    The conclusions drawn in over 80 per cent of flu vaccine global research studies did not hold up to objective scrutiny, according to a report in the BMJ, March 2014. Huge inaccuracy levels like these rightly fuel serious skeptic concerns that flu vaccine benefits are often hyped.

    The BMJ study, which looked at some 274 comparative studies on flu vaccination, found that only a mere 18 percent of the studies were deemed to actually prove what the articles claimed to be their findings!

    Read more:
    http://www.junkscience.co.uk/category/health-2/vaccines/

    You Can’t Find the Truth About Vaccines by Burying Your Head in (Vested Interests in Vaccines) Peer-Reviewed Studies
    http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/truth-about-vaccines-beyond-peer-review/

    NEJM editor: “No longer possible to believe much of clinical research published”

    Harvard Medical School’s Dr. Marcia Angell is the author of The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It. But more to the point, she’s also the former Editor-in-Chief at the New England Journal of Medicine, arguably one of the most respected medical journals on earth. But after reading her article in the New York Review of Books called Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption, one wonders if any medical journal on earth is worth anybody’s respect anymore.

    “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”

    Read more:
    http://ethicalnag.org/2009/11/09/nejm-editor/

    Herd Immunity: Junk Science at its Finest

    The latest attempt by the media and conventional health authorities to keep vaccination rates high is by pitting parent against parent using the concept of herd immunity.

    http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/the-herd-immunity-myth-and-how-it-pits-parent-against-parent/​

    But you can find lots of real data, numerous good; independent, unbiased, and actually peer reviewed studies showing the harm of vaccines and connection to autism, right here on this site. VacFacts http://www.vacfacts.info/

    December 28, 2014

    Failed Whooping Cough Vaccine Still being Used in the United States – Outbreaks Blamed on Unvaccinated

    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/failed-whooping-cough-vaccine-still-being-used-in-the-united-states-outbreaks-blamed-on-unvaccinated/

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  • Mr Fortin, why do you waste my time in your continuing to reply comment, and to make false statements and conclusions that there were no existed scientific studies and data there, when there are loads of independently done and unbiased studies; unconnected to vested interests in vaccines. Obviously you either failed to review any of the reference pages I gave you; and possibly you simply looked at some of the titles of the pages, and conveniently assumed that you knew what was there in that information. Either that or you are simply lying about what you found; which is typically what a vaccine shill does to avoid acknowledging that they can actually respond to none of it; because it contains to much obvious truth.

    When you talk about or refer to only accepting studies published in medical, peer-reviewed journals; you are automatically shutting the door to any studies that are not from sources with vested interests in vaccines. So you are then telling me that accept no studies done by an independent and unbiased journal source?

    There are not only in existence on this planet, medical/ big pharma connected journals, but as well many and varied journals that simply deal with multiple areas of neurology, toxicology, and health care in one form or another, in general. Those too, are actually most of them peer reviewed. But of course likely in your biased mind, those would be unacceptable to you. How many studies, excluding their own big pharma clinical trials on their own vaccine product, can you come up with double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled vaccine safety studies? In regard to how many vaccines and vaccine ingredients can you do that?

    How about lets ask the same question in regard to multiple repeat vaccines over time, and as well as in regard to giving a small child 8 or 9 vaccines in a single day? You can’t do it. Where are those said safety studies, Michael Fortin? You are entirely mislead delusional, Mr Fortin, and you bought ever vaccine fallacy that they have ever fed you and the general public.

  • “Horrible diseases”? LOL. That is some pathetic and false fear mongering, at again its vaccine shilling, mislead, and ignorance filled finest.

    Obviously you as well would like to stick your fingers in your ears regarding all the current vaccine failures and as well as historically.

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine

    (Near to endless numbers of listed cases of vaccine failure, with 80 to 90% of that failure existing in the fully vaccinated, on schedule. Ask why has the CDC not informed the public of what they know is the truth)

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    December 28, 2014
    Failed Whooping Cough Vaccine Still being Used in the United States – Outbreaks Blamed on Unvaccinated
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/failed-whooping-cough-vaccine-still-being-used-in-the-united-states-outbreaks-blamed-on-unvaccinated/

    Herd Immunity: Junk Science at its Finest

    The latest attempt by the media and conventional health authorities to keep vaccination rates high is by pitting parent against parent using the concept of herd immunity.

    http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/the-herd-immunity-myth-and-how-it-pits-parent-against-parent/​

  • Some examples right here.

    Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

  • You have no actual vaccine safety science! Wake up. What did they study? One single vaccine, the MMR and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosol. And even then those claimed to being large epidemiological studies were in well done analysis found to have flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, major conflicts of interest in the funding and its study sources. All corrupt junk science. Where are your studies and data on vaccine contamination at its effect on human health and as well in regard to autism. Where are your studies in regard to the safety of aluminum adjuvants? Were are your studies in regard to the safety of and in the use of vaccines developed from aborted fetal cell tissue? Where are your vaccine safety studies in regard to giving up to 9 vaccines in a single day to a small child? How about long term vaccination such as giving 49 doses of 14 vaccines to a child before the age of 6; and 69 does of 16 vaccines by the age of 18. it is for profit mandated insanity.

    I can assure you that there are multiple sets of data, information and numerous studies on this my site right here, which address every issue directly that i mentioned above. You can choose to educate yourself to the actual truth and reality, or you can refuse to. Your choice. http://www.vacfacts.info/

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    A very accurate assessment of the real situation of the pro-vaccine shill movement.

    1. They believe there is an anti-vaccine movement.
    2. Anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot.
    3. They falsely blame Dr. Wakefield for everything.
    4. They just don’t get it.
    5. They repeatedly distort or exaggerate the facts.
    6. They pretend to be the gatekeepers of science.
    7. They fail to acknowledge the context of the controversy.
    8. They over-simplify the problem
    9. They have no hypothesis.
    10. They have an excuse for everything.
    11. They fail to recognize their tactics aren’t working.

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/02/the-trouble-with-the-anti-anti-vaccine-movement-how-they-hijack-the-issue-distort-the-facts-and-tota.html

  • Selective Hearing: Brian Deer and the GMC
    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/selective-hearing-brian-deer-and-the-gmc/

    The Legacy of Vaccine Injury – Dr. Andrew Wakefield (a complete expose on as well the issue regarding the lack of vacine safety and effectiveness in general. This is one of the best vaccine truth exposes, ever.)
    http://www.autismone.org/content/legacy-vaccine-injury-dr-andrew-wakefield

    Is that evidence enough of and for those MMR vaccine lost children, and as to what the causation actually has been?

    Vaccine Safety Conference Session 15 Dr. Andrew Wakefield
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ei0QSvKdgw
    http://www.vaccinesafetyconference.com/videos.html#WakefieldVideo

    Research References, (endless)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    Biomedical Treatment in Autism (ASD)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/biomedical-treatment-in-autism-asd.html

    Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s rebuttal to Brian Deer’s article in the BMJ (British Medical Journal)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3fxHvvibsU

    New Published Study Verifies Andrew Wakefield’s Research on Autism – Again (MMR Vaccine Causes Autism)
    http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/06/21/new-published-study-verifies-andrew-wakefields-research-on-autism-again-mmr- vaccine-causes-autism/

    The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

    The Question That Brian Deer and Dorit Reiss Cannot Answer
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/05/the-question-that-brian-deer-and-dorit-reiss-cannot-answer.html

    Why Medical Authorities Went to Such Extremes to Silence Dr. Andrew Wakefield
    (Why are So Many Important Safety Studies Being Ignored?)
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx

    Dr Andrew Wakefield – MMR Vaccine – Truth and Reality
    http://www.vacfacts.info/dr-andrew-wakefield—mmr-vaccine—truth-and-reality.html

    VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

    Have You or Your Children Been Damaged by Vaccines? (This is one of the best articles I have read)
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/have-you-or-your-children-been-damaged-by-vaccines/#sthash.GQpo9XDA.dpuf

    Tolerance Lost Vol 1/3 – 1of16 – Moulden (6 hrs of video) This at one time was all in a 2 DVD set which Dr Moulden had available. At his 2009 seminar in Sioux falls SD, he gave away multiple sets of those DVDs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZXM-TKvLN8

    Here we go, here comes vernix and or Michel Fortin, right back in to make a reply comment, and will have not taken the time to actually consider and review anything at all that has been put in front of them.

  • None of us live in Somalia, we live in the US. There is a bit of a difference. And what about that near to 50,000 cases of acute flaccid paralysis existing in India alone, and largely and obviously due to big push for and the use of the oral polio vaccine? Why is not the US major media telling the public anything about that? But yet they can comply and do the WHO’s bragging about having near to eradicated polio.

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

  • Using the term butt hurt as you did, just shows your own low level of mentality; which of course ends up with just more of the same level of disrespect, returned to you. And it ends up a revolving cycle.

  • You keep making denial of the existing large numbers of vaccine injured children, and those with as well resulting autism. You have no respect for a father with a vaccine injured son, with autism. You keep lying about the vaccine truth and refusing to face reality. Several posting contestants here have been rude and attacking AutismDad; to include yourself, and you expect returned respect and civility? Wow, your sense of reality needs far more than just a little bit of focus adjustment.

  • They probably all work together in the same vaccine vested interests and paid off shilling cubicles. They likely slap each others behinds in false victory, every time they come out of them.

  • I respectfully disagree.

  • And you are actually suggesting that people be injected with disease, to prove that natural immunity works? Injection bypasses the primary defenses of the immune system, and is not the same thing as natural exposure. This reply posting here is getting beyond senseless.

  • Well said!

  • All that is is just more false and mislead propaganda filled, parroted and pathetic fear mongering. You are doing exactly what they wanted you and intended for you to do, and in their providing of the misleading misinformation they have fed the public masses, for now endless decades.

    I have not had a vaccine in 43 years, and there are thousands of older adults who have not had any vaccines in decades. How do you explain that polio has not come back? The vaccine never eradicated polio to begin with. How do you explain that vaccinating only the school children and teens is what is required to attain vaccine derived herd immunity? Vaccines in reality last any protection, a very few years, and not even close to what the CDC has claimed; that when you review the independent studies and information. Vaccine derived herd immunity for the most part and over-all is an unfounded and unscientific myth.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

  • Quite obviously you are expecting from the vaccine truth side, exactly what you have not provided yourself. Few if any of us were ever previously nor all our lives, what you would term, anti-vaccine. Vaccine truth is the proper term.

    I once as well believed that vaccines had done all that we were told they did. Why would I question it. I used to purchase vaccines and vaccinate livestock myself; believing that all of that was the best thing I could do. Certain reasons came about and where I was in a position to start questioning all of it, and in all areas. You obviously refuse to question anything whatsoever, no matter what. Why is that?

  • He again seems to continue to refuse to provide what he demands of others. I have been on and seen reply posting on endless numbers of vaccine related articles for a long time; (years), and yes it ends up comedy, it also ends up endless personal attacks, false attempts at destroying credibility, lots of hypocrisy, and etc etc. That is for many of them the only thing they will provide and let it, and for the reply posting to ever be.

    They are not, and rarely are ever here to actually debate anything at all; and nor in true honesty any counter information and nor studies that you provide. They will entirely ignore as if nothing was ever provided. Thus you see what we have currently right here and now.

  • You mean a study that could be done and could have been done already years ago; (if they had not at the CDC refused to) which is the fully vaccinated health verses unvaccinated health study.

    The CDC knows there are large numbers of existing families with vaccine exemptions, nationwide. Those are or may be small percentage numbers in a typical city/locality, but a huge number nationwide. We also have had for years a large number of un-vaccinated Amish as a fact. Just because a small group were fear mongered into vaccinated and later headed for a clinic which treated autism; does not mean the entire Amish population follows getting vaccinated. Homefirst medical head by the late Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, has had for years a number of nearly 40,000 total that there were medical files, and were all a never un-vaccinated population, and many with home births. Mayer would have gladly worked with those files and the CDC to produce a study, and none of it would have needed identify to the public any specific person.

    The truth is that the one thing that the CDC fears the most is the outcome of any such large and said study. They already know what the result will be.

  • That’s funny, you refuse to accept the concept of correlation equals causation when it comes to proof of vaccines causing autism; yet you heartily embrace that same concept when it comes to vaccines claimed eradication of so called vaccine preventable illness. Vaccine induced antibodies are clearly not scientific nor physiological assurance of vaccine efficacy and nor protection. Vaccines are entirely unnatural in regard to the normal immune response, and indeed foreign to the human body altogether.

    How Do Vaccines Work? Immune Mechanisms and Consequences
    http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/component/option,com_crossjoomlaarticlemanager/Itemid,375/aid,1369/view,crossjoomlaarticlemanager/#sthash.rkJSugBv.dpuf

    Your Immune System, How It Works And How Vaccines Damage It
    http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Your-Immune-System-How-It-Works-And-How-Vaccines-Damage-It

    Anatomy and Physiology of the Immune System, Part 4
    How pharmaceuticals destroy nature
    http://jonbarron.org/article/anatomy-and-physiology-immune-system-part-4#.UwH0pvldXbY

    Understanding immunity requires more than immunology
    http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v11/n7/full/ni0710-561.html

    We Want The Vaccine Facts And the Real Science, (and here it is)
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!the-factsscience/cc2d

  • You can not provide a SINGLE answer to those four very reasonable questions, and yet you the pro-vaccine side ALWAYS claim to that you have all the science that proves vaccine safety and effectiveness? Looks to me like right now the emperor has absolutely no clothes on?

    10% of the total worlds population was said ever vaccinated for small pox. Why is it not yet sweeping the planet? So are you telling me that for small pox only 10% achieves vaccine derived herd immunity? On this page there are multiple articles regarding the historical outcome for small pox vaccine. In fact the vaccine where it was used, created only larger outbreaks of small pox; by the information that was recorded by those who lived at the time. 100 years later of course it is very easy for the WHO and CDC to maintain with no actual evidence, that it had to be vaccines that did the trick. Its all very pathetic, how badly the public has been mislead.

    Radically changing the definition and diagnosis criteria right after the polio vaccines was in use, because they know it was not working as advertised. You can not call that eradication; when no suddenly you do not have polio but meningitis or some other similar condition; or you have nothing at all if found to be vaccinated, and as the diagnoses time frame was so radically extended for number of days until claimed to be polio. It was all a large sham. This large amount of information in the link below; explains it all. It is far to much information to post in a mile long reply post on this page. You can deny the obvious, or you can simply face it. Your choice.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

  • snopes? That is the best you could do? What a load of bullcrap; LOL. The Simpsonwood meeting was quite clearly involving one of the biggest cover-ups of the vaccine harm done, ever in history. If you can see and even admit to that much of this, then you are refusing to admit to any obvious facts and truth at all.

    Do you actually think any form of mercury belongs in the human body? Injected into an infant or child. How mercury, (Thimerosal) about injected into a pregnant woman 25 mcg of it in the form of a flu shot in any trimester? And you think that is safe too; when even the flu vaccine inserts state that flu vaccines have never been studies adequately for safety for use in pregnancy. Were talking it states that they never been adequately proven safe in pregnancy, even without the Thimerosal content.

    Why does not the CDC at least become responsible enough to advise that a pregnant woman not get injected with any Thimerosal during pregnancy? I will tell you why, because that is a direct admission of danger of mercury in a flu shot; and they simply are not going to do that, and they will continue to in their irresponsibility to do not provide that warning. Just like the ADA still wrongfully endorses mercury containing amalgam tooth fillings. The FDA is actually protecting no one. Don’t want to educate yourself, vernix; thats your choice.

    War on Health – Gary Null’s documentary exposing the FDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0CQrL5nzwo

    Proof that Big Pharma Doesn’t Care About Vaccine Harm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/proof-that-big-pharma-doesnrsquot-care-about-vaccine-harm.html

    Have You or Your Children Been Damaged by Vaccines?
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/have-you-or-your-children-been-damaged-by-vaccines/#sthash.GQpo9XDA.dpuf

    Tolerance Lost Vol 1/3 – 1 of 16 – Moulden (6 hrs of video) This at one time was all in a 2 DVD set which Dr Moulden had available. Amazing information.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZXM-TKvLN8

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

  • Flu vaccines have always been worthless, and obviously over-all, in terms of toxicity and potential contamination, they do far more harm to human health, than any good. Wake up.

    CDC: Current Flu Vaccine Not a Good Match for This Season’s Viruses, Ineffective – See more at:http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/cdc-current-flu-vaccine-not-a-good-match-for-this-seasons-viruses-ineffective/

    Government Pays Compensation to 80 Flu Vaccine Injuries and Deaths
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/government-pays-compensation-to-80-flu-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-in-3-month-period/

    Flu Vaccine is the most Dangerous Vaccine in the U. S. based on Settled Cases for Injuries – See more at:http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-vaccine-is-the-most-dangerous-vaccine-in-the-united-states-based-on-settled-cases-for-injuries/

    Government Study: Flu Vaccine not Effective for Elderly – Death Rates Increased
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/government-study-flu-vaccine-not-effective-for-elderly-death-rates-increased-2/

    Victims Crippled and Killed by the Flu Shot Compensated by U.S. Government
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/victims-crippled-and-killed-by-the-flu-shot-compensated-by-u-s-government/

    Tamiflu Deception – Learn The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/tamiflu-deception—learn-the-real-truth.html

    The Myth of Tamiflu: 5 Things You Should Know
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/harlankrumholz/2013/01/08/the-myth-of-tamiflu-5-things-you-should-know/

    LIPOSOMAL ENCAPSULATED VITAMIN C
    http://www.vacfacts.info/anti-viral—liposomal-encapsulated-vitamin-c.html

  • So you are saying that those searching for vaccine truth are all now to ignorant to even read and comprehend what they are reading and have read on a vaccine product insert? The next thing you will tell us is that only a doctor or pediatrician is qualified to read, interpret, and understand a vaccine product insert.

    In regard to the vaccine inserts, vernix wants the public to disregard any and all warnings, all aftermarket reported adverse effects, and all reports to VAERS. You get that; verix wants you to trust your doctor for any knowledge, advise, and vaccine recommendation advise you get, ever….ever? When your doctor recommends vaccines, sit there with a smile and say, oh yes doctor please give me any and all vaccines you say I and my family should have; and question nothing. When you come back with a vaccine injury they the doctor will deny any connection to the vaccine, or vaccines; and you will have to spend years legally filing and attempting to get compensation from the federal vaccine court. Like your health and your families health and life is actually and should be for sale? Just take one for the herd, right?

  • Referencing to the no identity of the editor, attacking and twisted skeptical raptor blog; is no better than referencing to the no science ever there, Gorski blog. And that is all the better you can do; and that is all you can provide? Don’t you even get it how pathetic that is?

  • The incidence of Guillain-Barre in regard to the flu vaccine and vaccine in general, is much higher than that. What reference are you using? The CDC is so obviously way off base in regard to whitewashing the statistics; that you can really on them for absolutely nothing, if you want facts. They are as well still claiming the odds of an adverse reaction to any vaccine or vaccines, is still one in a million. That false claim is clearly so preposterous, that it is literally criminally irresponsible, in its nature.

    Again I will rub this in your face until you actually see it.

    Government Pays Compensation to 80 Flu Vaccine Injuries and Deaths
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/government-pays-compensation-to-80-flu-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-in-3-month-period/

    Flu Vaccine is the most Dangerous Vaccine in the U. S. based on Settled Cases for Injuries – See more at:http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-vaccine-is-the-most-dangerous-vaccine-in-the-united-states-based-on-settled-cases-for-injuries/

    Government Study: Flu Vaccine not Effective for Elderly – Death Rates Increased
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/government-study-flu-vaccine-not-effective-for-elderly-death-rates-increased-2/

    Victims Crippled and Killed by the Flu Shot Compensated by U.S. Government
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/victims-crippled-and-killed-by-the-flu-shot-compensated-by-u-s-government/

    CDC: Current Flu Vaccine Not a Good Match for This Season’s Viruses, Ineffective – See more at:http://vaccineimpact.com/2014/cdc-current-flu-vaccine-not-a-good-match-for-this-seasons-viruses-ineffective/

    Tamiflu Deception – Learn The Real Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/tamiflu-deception—learn-the-real-truth.html

    The Myth of Tamiflu: 5 Things You Should Know
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/harlankrumholz/2013/01/08/the-myth-of-tamiflu-5-things-you-should-know/

    LIPOSOMAL ENCAPSULATED VITAMIN C
    http://www.vacfacts.info/anti-viral—liposomal-encapsulated-vitamin-c.html

  • Ahh haa haa..ha…LOL. And again you are promoting that crazed, and twisted Gorski’s, endless denialism and junk filled blog; and that was the best you could do. Wake up! Realize in truth, why that obviously very sick blog, is actually there. Wow.

    David Gorski’s Financial Pharma Ties: What He Didn’t Tell You http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/06/david-gorskis-financial-pharma-ties-what-he-didnt-tell-you.html

  • How many studies in your mind would you have to properly review and replicate, to prove to you that mercury, (Thimerosal) is a neurological toxin and a poison? All of forms of mercury products have a skull and cross bones poison warning on the original packaging.

    Actually go to Pubmed and realize how many studies show the directly the harm of injected thimerosal; and as well direct connection to triggering autism. It is not just one vaccine exclusively, and nor one vaccine ingredient in the total scope of autism causation. There are existing multiple vaccine contributing factors, in the whole realm of causation toxicity. Realize how much physiologically based science is actually out there; and which the CDC of course continues to ignore. Obviously you refuse.

    Below on these pages there are also several studies regarding mercury, (Thimerosal) in vaccines, and its connection and that of other heavy metals to the resulting severity of autism.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism- Page 2
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism–page-2.html

    Aluminum Adjuvants – Lack of Safety Data – Lack of Aluminum Adjuvant Safety Studies
    http://www.vacfacts.info/aluminum-vaccine-adjuvants.html

  • I think you are entirely delusional, and your following of the cult vaccine shill promoters has obviously left you that way. You from the looks of it all, are clearly and obviously the crazy joke.

  • sabelmouse
  • You speak of scare mongering, but as I said GBS is not at all rare; and being literally paralyzed within your own body by GBS; would be pretty scary for most people.

    It has happened as well with Gardasil in more cases than they will ever be able to accurately count. It is highly irresponsible to recommend flu vaccines when the true efficacy level is known by independent studies to be as actually low as it has been; and as well considering how common GBS and other neurological complications have been after a flu vaccine; and some are never recovered from. There are neurologists at Mayo that have seen it many many times, and have admitted to it being the flu vaccine. Not worth it, ever, period. There are plenty of other ways to stay healthy and to retain a strong and properly working immune system.

  • The risk is clearly much higher than 1 in 100,000, and as well for temporary to permanent neurological harm done by a flu vaccine. Go look at those compensation stats you were given, as well. I think you vernix before you make any more false claims, should first need to prove that you have taken every last vaccine that you have and would direct to and recommend for others. I really hope you do not work in the medical profession and nor with vaccines. That would be really frightening for patients, with your attitude toward it all.

    How about if you outline your direct conflicts of interest, vernix? I have obviously zero to declare, and have never made a single red cent from what I do, and nor from my site. I simply do it because it is right, and I do believe in that informational effort, that much.

  • Then why can’t you spot your own B.S? You have to some kind of very deep evil within you to make what is appearing to be across the broad denial of a vaccine injury of a persons family member, they just told you about; and when you have never met that person; and nor know of the case. Couldn’t be; one in a million odds, right; the CDC told you so and you insist on continuing in believing it; and anything else you were fed for false information.

    If you want to be entirely stupid about it and risk all for that so prized vaccine derived herd immunity; (that has for the most part never actually existed), then you go ahead and do it. However you do NOT have the right to suggest that risk be taken by anyone else, and nor by anyone else’s family.

    One thing you refuse to acknowledge is that your endless fear mongering means nothing to most people who read this sites articles; because most have done enough real research to see through THAT BS, a mile away.

  • You are a pathetic little man, vernix. That has become quite obvious. But then you never even said nor identified if you are a man or a woman, so who knows. Possibly your just an all knowing “vernix”; whatever that is, and not even a human being at all? Your a bot; perhaps? You certain seem to lack a soul and any concern for humanity, and potential vaccine injury. Is that what they simply pay a shill like you to do; deny everything for vaccine facts, from a to Z? Do they provide you a cubicle to work in; you know; with several other paid vaccine shills??? Just wondering?

  • Classic vaccine shilling right here. When all else fails, they pull out the claim that the opponents replies are adhominem based responses. Any level of their own hypocrisy means nothing to them.

  • LOL… that was a good one. Oh ya like what for whatever reason in the world, would the CDC ever have reason or cause to be biased, anyway?

    Saving their own careers and credibility, and the potential for losing everything in regard to liability for their decades of lies and knowingly willful negligence. The continued executing of plan of and for that cover-up would never take priority over protecting the health of the children and the public, now would it? Naaa.

  • You insist on continuing to beat a dead horse and an old issue. The issue of that 1998 Lancet study has moved on long ago to much more serious issues, and as to the evidence of the existing physiological studies. And why do you continue to pick on one study here, when you have dozens more that support, and actually for the most part even replicate with the same and more findings, that original Wakefield 1998 study. That’s foolish, and you refuse to in any honesty consider those studies because the CDC refused to recognize them as being of a the high level of significance that they truly are. You think then that you have the right to do the same thing. Of course, they the CDC must deny any MMR vaccine harm done for as long as they can, if not forever if they can. They know what kind of a blow to vaccines and themselves they would be taking, and what the liability factor for them is going to be, and that if they do not continue with that cover-up.

    Research References, (endless)
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

    Dr Andrew Wakefield-Reality and Truth
    http://www.vacfacts.info/dr-andrew-wakefield—mmr-vaccine—truth-and-reality.html

    A very accurate assessment of the real situation.
    By Julie Obradovic

    1. They believe there is an anti-vaccine movement.
    2. Anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot.
    3. They falsely blame Dr. Wakefield for everything.
    4. They just don’t get it.
    5. They repeatedly distort or exaggerate the facts.
    6. They pretend to be the gatekeepers of science.
    7. They fail to acknowledge the context of the controversy.
    8. They over-simplify the problem
    9. They have no hypothesis.
    10. They have an excuse for everything.
    11. They fail to recognize their tactics aren’t working.

    The Trouble with the ANTI “Anti-Vaccine” Movement: How They Hijack the Issue; Distort the Facts; and Totally Miss the Point​
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/02/the-trouble-with-the-anti-anti-vaccine-movement-how-they-hijack-the-issue-distort-the-facts-and-tota.html

  • LOL!!! Is vernix a man or a woman? Now he is picking on and making pointless jabs at Jenny McCarthy. Its all from the same old script from the same old worn out pro-vaccine shillery and shilliversity debating manual. These people simply can not and refuse to think for themselves.

    REAL Medical Journals? Let me translate something for you, a medical journal is a big pharma pharmaceuticals selling, directive journal and sometimes representing their medical doctors trade organization. Medical means BIG pharma. Heath care means to provide real healing and as well natural healing of the amazing self healing human body, provided to us by the creator; by whatever sense you may personally interpret that to be.

    Although many journals are health care journals, they are not necessarily nor largely drug company directed and governed journals as to what is accepted fro publishing. As to and in regard to the only journals that you refer to as to find them acceptable, vernix. Pubmed contains a mix of all those journals; and a lot can be found there from both sides of the vaccine issues camp. I don’t think you ever looked and nor have you likely ever done a single day of independent unbiased research in your life, vernix?

    You are trying to drive everything into one single camp and mindset and the only form of information acceptable, and it simply and obviously does not work that way. You obviously do not realize nor perhaps care what kind of a medical camp you are actually trying to driving it all into, as your infallible sources.

    The False Foundations of Modern Medicine
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

    Death By Medicine, (now by the study numbers, the leading cause of death in America, and over and above the numbers of heart disease and cancer deaths)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

    Pharmakeia (aka sorceries) of Babylon
    http://www.vacfacts.info/pharmakeia-aka-sorceries-of-babylon.html

  • Your arsenal has actually been empty all along, and your still attempting to shoot a box full of blanks.

    I already gave you several page links to endless numbers of good studies showing the direct harm of aluminum adjuvants, thimerosal, vaccine contamination; and especially that left from production of vaccines through the use of aborted fetal cells tissue, and much more. Most of the main vaccines are now made with human diploid tissue.

    There has been more than enough data and studies in front of you to make any thinking person and parent decide that they will never even consider getting a vaccine again; for themselves and nor their child. The vaccine risks to physical health and the brain and mind, are simply not worth it. Even more so with the ridiculous number of doses doses and endless vaccine numbers on the current CDC schedule.

  • You are just getting put in your rightful place, there all knowing, vermin; I mean vernix. You have long already lost your right to any reasonable form of debate; and as you were persistently unreasonable.

  • He doesn’t sound hurt at all, vermin? He presented with more common sense and real knowledge than you ever have. The person who endlessly looks and appears as to be a mislead vaccine fool, is you.

  • Have you ever done any actual unbiased and independent research? You know, in this age of informational resources? Doesn’t look like it. And you refuse any and all alternative data and information anyone would have provided here and thus given you as well; am I correct?

    Lack of vaccination clearly has little to nothing to do with any outbreaks that have occurred. The pertussis vaccine has largely failed, with 80 to 90 % of outbreaks in the fully vaccinated. There are reasons for that, all outlined on this page below. Measles vaccine failures are as well similarly common.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • Your error is in having believed the CDC/Paul Offit mantra that anything eaten is as well safe to inject in a vaccine; and as if there is no difference. There is a lot of difference biologically and physiologically in those two sources of entry into the human body.

    There are still trace amounts left in vaccines after manufacturing; and they simply can not get it all back out, after manufacturing. Considering the high number of doses and when combined with aluminum adjuvants, that still may be concerning; and it has never been studied what and how much accumulates.

    Grind up a tuna sandwich with some water and inject some of it and see how that works out for you? Then try a muffin with baking powder. The continued error in that kind of a comparison is just astounding. They do not have any real safety studies that demonstrate vaccine safety for thimerosal (mercury), and nor for aluminum adjuvants; and that is the only attempted rationalization they can make. Stop simply believing everything you read from the false vaccine authorities.

    Regarding the inaccurate claims they have made regarding ethymercury (thimerosal) being excreted faster and as to being less toxic. In THIS study the reality shows that even though ethyl mercury may be excreted and or detoxed faster than methyl mercury, actually they both are potentially neuro-toxic and well potentially cumulative. How much ethyl mercury is left in the brain and other organs of the body, ir-regardless of the rate of assumed detox?

    Arch Toxicol. 1985 Sep;57(4):260-7.

    The comparative toxicology of ethyl- and methyl mercury.

    Magos L, Brown AW, Sparrow S, Bailey E, Snowden RT, Skipp WR.

    Abstract

    Neurotoxicity and renotoxicity were compared in rats given by gastric gavage five daily doses of 8.0 mg Hg/kg methyl- or ethylmercuric chloride or 9.6 mg Hg/kg ethylmercuric chloride. Three or 10 days after the last treatment day rats treated with either 8.0 or 9.6 mg Hg/kg ethylmercury had higher total or organic mercury concentrations in blood and lower concentrations in kidneys and brain than methylmercury-treated rats. In each of these tissues the inorganic mercury concentration was higher after ethyl- than after methylmercury. Weight loss relative to the expected body weight and renal damage was higher in ethylmercury-treated rats than in rats given equimolar doses of methylmercury. These effects became more severe when the dose of ethylmercury was increased by 20%. Thus in renotoxicity the renal concentration of inorganic mercury seems to be more important than the concentration of organic or total mercury. In methylmercury-treated rats damage and inorganic mercury deposits were restricted to the P2 region of the proximal tubules, while in ethylmercury-treated rats the distribution of mercury and damage was more widespread. There was little difference in the neurotoxicities of methylmercury and ethylmercury when effects on the dorsal root ganglia or coordination disorders were compared. Based on both criteria, an equimolar dose of ethylmercury was less neurotoxic than methylmercury, but a 20% increase in the dose of ethylmercury was enough to raise the sum of coordination disorder scores slightly and ganglion damage significantly above those in methylmercury-treated rats.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4091651

  • All that is-is just more endlessly non thinking, ridiculous, false, and reparroted pro-vaccine propaganda; and you of course evaded the actual point made.

    Its called soft kill, and they get away with it, intentionally and knowingly or not. In most cases human health is adversely affected by and in ways they have little to no knowledge to understand physiologically, within the medical (big pharma based) community. No, there is and would be far more profit for big pharma in what they are doing now, vaccinating. They have no ability to cure much of anything and cures are not on big pharma’s agenda. Treating chronic symptoms of illness and disease to include autoimmune disease, alone is on that agenda; and little more.

  • If you think the formaldehyde produced in a chemical manufacturing plant is the same exact formaldehyde produced in the human body in small amounts due to metabolism, think again. No vital or essential substance in the human body has been exactly duplicated by chemistry and nor by big pharma.

    Formaldehyde used in vaccines is actually one of the least of the worries in regard to vaccine toxicity. Aluminum adjuvants and the obviously unresolved issue of existing vaccine contamination, is far more concerning.

  • Stop believing that everything is just as you read it. That is not always the case. Obviously you have not done an adequate amount of research before you made your replies.

  • Just like they previously refused and dragged their feet and in changing to a safer form, the horrendously harmful DPT vaccine where large numbers of young children developed seizure disorders, neurological and brain damage, and or died due to that vaccine; it was one of the most reactive ever on the market. The FDA of course acted on nothing and it took large numbers of direct lawsuits for the harm done. This resulted in the 1987 vaccine court enactment, where the federal gov’t now covers all liability is a very unfair and limited access court system for those who deserve compensation.

    They have so far made zero effort that has been public knowledge in regard to adding the B parapertussis component to the Dtap vaccine. Loss of profit and cost are of course always major factors for big pharma to ever get anything changed and right. So again; QUIT lying, vermin!

    Who is the real loony toon, that can not even get the basic facts right; and apparently nor do you care to. Stop replying, if you can’t get it right.

  • There is no official source for that data, by the way and it is only stated that it came from an article titled, The Pertussis Parable. I wouldnt take much stock in that.

  • The WHO decades later in makes all kinds of claims that vaccines eradicated this number of cases and in the claim that there were this many previous cases; rarely to never have any official source backing for their said claims in numbers, but that in their official capacity that they claim to what they do.

    Why do they as well claim to near eradication of polio in India, and when they created near to 50,000 cases of acute flaccid paralysis, which directly went up with the push for oral polio vaccine use; many children receiving multiple doses, as also record keeping was so poor. Why are we not reading nor hearing the full story in the US major media? I would not believe anything nor any data the big pharma protecting and connected WHO, puts forth.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

  • Now vernix has an additional obsession with picking peoples noses.

  • How many boosters would be enough? Doesn’t that tell you how ineffective the vaccines actually are?

  • How many times would you need to be shown that isn’t true. Lack of vaccination actually has nothing to do with it. It is vaccine failure, as the cause. Stop listening to the false white wash of that vaccine failure, by the CDC.

    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

  • Coroners never let it allowed to ever be that a vaccine or vaccines are implicated. First it is politically incorrect in regard to their employment, and they also for the most part do not have the correct diagnosis knowledge and nor the image tools to diagnose i