8 Damn Good Reasons Not to Get the Flu Shot

Are you thinking about getting the flu vaccine?

Every year the mainstream media war drum beats for you to get vaccinated against the flu. They rarely discuss anything but the benefits of the vaccine.

Why?

Maybe it is because many people are already skeptical about the flu vaccine.

I’m going to be very up front with you here. You rarely hear about the adverse reactions or about the toxic chemicals being injected into you. My goal is to get you to investigate vaccines more closely. Here are eight reasons to question the flu shot.

Let’s begin…

REASON #1: NEUROTOXIC INGREDIENTS

A common urban myth is that the mercury has been taken out of vaccines. This is not true.

Several of the flu vaccines contain a neurotoxic ingredient called thimerosal (mercury). Each one of the flu vaccines listed below contains 25 micrograms of mercury. [1] The vaccines are:

  • Afluria CSL (Limited for Merck)
  • FluLaval (GlaxoSmithKline)
  • Fluvirin (Novartis)
  • Fluzone (Sanofi Pasteur)

Keep in mind you are being told conflicting stories.

After parents and scientists discovered that mercury was present in the vaccines, they had concerns about the substance causing neurological problems in children.

Organizations such as the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Centers for Disease Control have told you mercury in the vaccines isn’t bad for us, but as a precaution, it will be taken out of the vaccines.

Now the same organizations are telling parents if mercury isn’t kept it in the vaccines, millions will suffer. Why? Removing the mercury from vaccines would cause a major disruption in the manufacturing and supply of vaccines.[2]

Much of the evidence on the toxicity of thimerosal was swept under the rug at a secret meeting held by the Centers for Disease Control in Simpsonwood, Georgia. I’d like to invite you to read a few quotes from the meeting. I think you will see why the Centers for Disease Control wants to keep the lid on thimerosal.

Here are three important quotes from the Simpsonwood Document:

…the number of dose related relationships [between mercury and autism] are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.” – Dr. William Weil, American Academy of Pediatrics. Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000

“Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out at eight o’clock for an emergency call and my daughter-in-law delivered a son by c-section. Our first male in the line of the next generation and I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on. It will probably take a long time. In the meantime, and I know there are probably implications for this internationally, but in the meanwhile I think I want that grandson to only be given Thimerosal-free vaccines.” – Dr. Robert Johnson, Immunologist, University of Colorado, Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000

But there is now the point at which the research results have to be handled, and even if this committee decides that there is no association and that information gets out, the work has been done and through the freedom of information that will be taken by others and will be used in other ways beyond the control of this group. And I am very concerned about that as I suspect that it is already too late to do anything regardless of any professional body and what they say…My mandate as I sit here in this group is to make sure at the end of the day that 100,000,000 are immunized with DTP, Hepatitis B and if possible Hib, this year, next year and for many years to come, and that will have to be with thimerosal containing vaccines unless a miracle occurs and an alternative is found quickly and is tried and found to be safe.” – Dr. John Clements, World Health Organization, Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000 [3]

We at VacTruth encourage you to investigate what is being injected into your child.

 

REASON #2: 4250% INCREASE IN FETAL DEATHS REPORTED

Speaking of mercury being unsafe — if you’re pregnant, beware of doctors using aggressive fear tactics pushing you to get vaccinated. Here’s why…

On September 27, 2012, the Human and Environmental Toxicology Journal (HET) published a study by Dr. Gary Goldman reporting a 4,250 percent increase in the number of miscarriages and stillbirths reported to VAERS in the 2009/2010 flu season. [4]

That year the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) had recommended the double-dosing pregnant mothers with two flu shots spiked with mercury.

In his abstract, Goldman said:

“The aim of this study was to compare the number of inactivated-influenza vaccine–related spontaneous abortion and stillbirth (SB) reports in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database during three consecutive flu seasons beginning 2008/2009 and assess the relative fetal death reports associated with the two-vaccine 2009/2010 season.” [4]

How can injecting these filthy vaccines into pregnant mothers be remotely safe?

 

REASON #3: VACCINE-INDUCED NARCOLEPSY

Do you recall the vaccine-frenzied media telling us to get our flu shots during the H1N1 pandemic? What they didn’t tell you are the possible long-term side effects of those vaccines that are now being revealed.

Recent news about the flu vaccine suspects one of the experimental vaccines causing narcolepsy in about 800 European children. [5]

Specifically, two studies in Finland directly point the finger at the vaccine. [6, 7]

The conclusion of one study states:

“We observed a 17-fold increase in the annual incidence of narcolepsy in 2010 as compared to previous years in children aged under 17 years of age. A common feature in the history of our 54 newly diagnosed childhood narcoleptic patients was that 50 children had received an adjuvanted pandemic influenza vaccine (Pandemrix) within 8 months before the onset of symptoms. In most cases, the development of symptoms was fast. We consider it likely that Pandemrix vaccination contributed to the increased incidence of narcolepsy in Finland…” [7]

The children’s misfortune is they now have to deal with an illness that all but destroys their once normal life. Do you think the pharmaceutical companies will take any responsibility?

 

REASON #4: “THEY ARE PROTECTED” … FROM YOU!

I’m not sure about other countries, but in the United States, if your child is harmed by a vaccine, there is little action you can take legally.

The 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was passed was to protect pharmaceutical companies from anyone claiming a vaccine injured their child. Under this law, no parent can sue a vaccine manufacturer. [8]

If you decide to vaccinate your children, you do so at your own risk. No vaccine manufacturer is liable for your child’s vaccine-related injury or death from a recommended vaccine, regardless if the FDA or CDC helped get an untested flu vaccine approved.

 

REASON #5: IF YOU GET VACCINATED, YOU SHED THE VIRUS

If getting injected with neurotoxins or suffering from narcolepsy isn’t enough, expect to shed the flu virus and likely infect others if you decide to get the nasal spray vaccine.

Information from the Centers for Disease Control website indicates “that both children and adults vaccinated with live-attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV) can shed vaccine viruses after vaccination, although in lower amounts than occur typically with shedding of wild-type influenza viruses.” [9]

In one study of children in a daycare setting, 80% of vaccine recipients shed one or more virus strains for an average of 7.5 days. [9]

 

REASON #6: IF YOU GET THE FLU VACCINE, EXPECT TO GET THE FLU

This might be a shock to you – if you investigate the vaccine carefully enough, you’ll discover that getting vaccinated can actually predispose you to getting the flu!

One particular study surprised researchers when they discovered “a significant positive association between the seasonal influenza vaccine and lab confirmed H1N1 was observed.” [10]

As anecdotal evidence, you may or may not have seen what happened to television host Piers Morgan. If you didn’t, here is the condensed version.

Piers Morgan went on the Dr. Oz television show to get injected with the toxic flu vaccine in front of a live audience. Days later he came down with the flu. [11]

Did the flu vaccine cause him to get the flu? You can decide for yourself on this one.

 

REASON #7: EVERY YEAR THE EXPERTS GUESS

Do you know how the flu strain is picked to put into the vaccine every year? The “experts” guess.

Every year, the influenza viruses in the seasonal flu vaccine are selected through calculations about what flu viruses are most likely to cause illness in the coming season. The FDA, acting in concert with the CDC, decides what vaccine strains for influenza vaccines to be sold in the U.S. [12]

What happens if the virus mutates or the “experts” guess incorrectly? Please see Reason #1…

 

REASON #8: THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL’S RECIPE FOR GENERATING FEAR

Many people believe the Centers for Disease Control is beyond using propaganda ploys. You might get a different impression from the information I’m about to share with you. It may seem as if the CDC fears you into getting vaccinated, much like doctors do.

What do I mean and where is this recipe?

Some years ago, the associate director for communications for the national immunization program, Glen Nowak, made a presentation entitled Planning for the 2004-05 Influenza Vaccination Season: A Communication Situation Analysis.

I am going to include the entire “recipe” so you can see the complexity of the propaganda being regularly used on you to get vaccinated.

The slide on page 27 of the presentation reads:

“Recipe” that Fosters Higher Interest and Demand for Influenza Vaccine

1. Influenza’s arrival coincides with immunization “season” (i.e., when people can take action)

2. Dominant strain and/or initial cases of disease are:

–Associated with severe illness and/or outcomes

–Occur among people for whom influenza is not generally perceived to cause serious complications (e.g., children, healthy adults, healthy seniors)

–In cities and communities with significant media outlets (e.g., daily newspapers, major TV stations)

3. Medical experts and public health authorities publicly (e.g., via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)–and urge influenza vaccination.

4. The combination of ‘2’ and ‘3’ result in:

A. Significant media interest and attention

B. Framing of the flu season in terms that motivate behavior (e.g., as “very severe,” “more severe than last or past years,” “deadly”)

C. Continued reports (e.g., from health officials and media) that influenza is causing severe illness and/or affecting lots of people–helping foster the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza.

6. Visible/tangible examples of the seriousness of the illness (e.g., pictures of children, families of those affected coming forward) and people getting vaccinated (the first to motivate, the latter to reinforce)

7. References to, and discussions, of pandemic influenza– along with continued reference to the importance of vaccination.” [13] 

The message is extremely familiar. You see it played out every year on the news channels. To be clear, what you just read is a recipe to sell more of Big Pharma’s toxic vaccines.

 

 

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  • drsuzanne

    I was thinking today, how just about everyone I know has recently, in the past 2 weeks been sick with flu-like symptoms.  And apparently many people I don’t know have been too.  Since the vaccines have been injected since around Sept 2102, and just about anybody who is going to get a vaccine has already gotten one, we have to consider what is going on.  Either the vaccines are causing and spreading disease, or the concoctions don’t do what they are supposed to do.   Or both.  The other thing is that in the years that influenza vaccine uptake has quadrupled, deaths have continued to rise, related to influenza.  The authorities obviously also have no clue about the phenomenon of original antigenic sin, which was demonstrated in 2009, where vaccine induced immunity to one set of strains, can lead to worse infection to other later strains, due to how the immune system is programmed. 

  • Cherry Misra

    Does anyone know which flu vaccine was injected into Piers Morgan?-  Was it one that contained Thimerosal?

  • http://www.facebook.com/katherine.washburn.10 Katherine Washburn

    Thank you for citing your references. This lends validity to “professionals” when I discuss my objections with them. My pediatrician was unaware that mercurary was still being used in the vaccines. I downloaded the list from the CDC and showed him which companies and specific vaccines still use them. I refused the shots that had it. No more issues with refusing shots for my little. one.

  • tamarque

    What is missing here are 2 points: 

    1.  what the actual annual flu figure are/were. if i remember correctly, last year’s numbers were the lowest ever despite the hysteria about how bad the epidemic was.

    2.  the CDC last year instructed medical facilites to stop testing and diagnose every upper respiratory condition as THE flu.  out of about 18,000 reported cases, only a fraction were flu.

    3.  two years ago we had a death in the family of 32 yr old man told he had the flu.  a week later he keeled over and died–of an aneurysm in the brain!

  • betsyanne

    I couldn’t agree more, drsuzanne.  Too many people believed the hype this year and were vaccinated.  I don’t understand how they can be so hoodwinked, even people who KNOW the dangers of vaccines were inoculated this year.  It’s just unbelievable to me how people can be so unquestioning.

    It is not only the nasal flumist that sheds.  I have an auto-immune disease and this year I easily picked up the flu (my DH and I were sick from December 1st to December 22nd – down and out sick all that time) and neither of us has had the flu since February of 2002.  So there is definitely something in this year’s batches which causes it to shed and spread.  The medical industrial complex designed them to do that and I’m almost positive of that, although I have no proof.  I don’t need proof to know they’re a bunch of overweeningly arrogant and evil criminals who now face no liability for their concoctions, whatsoever.  WHY would they care about what goes into them, except to make sure they shed & spread??  It’s their goal, man.

  • Markdc

    Great article…I would add some Cochrane stats: only 1.5 – 2.7% of the population gets sick, and <10% of circulating virus's are infleunza, and the shot is only "60%" effective….do the math…odds are, 1)you wont get sick, and 2)if you do, its not covered by the shot anyway

  • Markk

    What a joke, when the patient knows more than the doctor… I once had a pediatrician argue with me that vaccines were ‘mandatory’…he didnt know there was a waiver in WI, and insisted home-schooling was my only option.

  • ANTIVACCINEGRANDMOTHER

    Statistics can be manipulated and who checks them anyway, right? That’s how they get you, they try to scare you. Most people that “die from the flu” did NOT die from the flu but other underlying illnesses (and that information came from a doctor, not me). That important fact they leave out (convenient!).I have never had a flu shot and had the flu maybe 3 or 4 times in my life. It’s unpleasant but I would rather deal with the flu any day then get poisoned for life. My hairdresser’s husband got the flu shot every year and got the flu every year. Why he continued to get the shots, I can’t tell you. But he die 4 years ago of a very agressive brain tumor. I can’t prove it to you, but I strongly believe he got the brain tumor from the flu shot.
    The greatest and saddest fact though is that so many babies will not be born because their mothers got bullied into a flu shot. THIS IS AN AMERICAN TRAGEDY!

  • Ray

    When I was a kid , born in 1944, we were never vaccinated for the flu  . Sometimes I would get Tonsillitis But after a few bouts  I didn`t get it any more maybe I just built resistance to it.No one ever died from the “flu” that I can recall.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Dr. Suzanne,

    That’s exactly what is happening. This isn’t a new concept either which would lead the reader to the probably conclusion “they” know exactly what they are doing.

    This was first described by Thomas Francis, Jr. in the article “On the Doctrine of Original Antigenic Sin”.

    http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/985534?uid=3739568&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101741913637

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Hi Cherry,

    I do not know which specific vaccine was injected into him.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    @43e3ad961a16f074342f55d3c4c45245:disqus – Yes… these fear tactics are very common, especially among pediatricians. I’m glad you were well-informed prior to the visit as bullying seems to be their specialty.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Thank you for adding to the value of this article. There is so much information available. I hope this provides a starting point for a reader to investigate the topic for themselves.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    @43e3ad961a16f074342f55d3c4c45245:disqus – Cochrane and RAND Corporation have some interesting numbers on the flu, vaccine uptake, etc.

    There are many articles, but here is one you may find helpful/useful.
    http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9572.html

    Appreciate the feedback and your continued readership.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    @84c6db55c95323edd09ccb1727e2e9a0:disqus – it’s interesting you mention this. Did you know vaccines are not evaluated for causing cancer (carcinogenisis)? Read any vaccine insert and look for that term.

    Also, you may want to investigate SV40 (Simian Virus 40) contamination and the polio vaccine as a starting point. Vaccine contamination is well known in scientific circles … but it is quite taboo to talk about it publicly.

    Human and animal vaccine contaminations.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20456974

    Recovery of strains of the polyomavirus SV40 from rhesus monkey kidney cells dating from the 1950s to the early 1960s.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17900651

    You can find most of the product inserts here:
    http://vactruth.com/vaccine-inserts

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    It recently became fashionable to inject pregnant women and children with mercury-laced flu vaccines. I’m not quite sure of the paradigm shift in medicine that has occurred in the past 10 years, or so. In my opinion, it seems very destructive to the children’s health and well-being.

  • tamarque

     you are quite welcome.  it seemed those points would strengthen your article.

  • Tell the Truth

    I have cross posted this story/link in a forum where there are many folks who still believe that vaccines are good and antivaxxers are stupid. One ‘conversation’ (NPR on vaccines) has been continuing since Feb 8, 2010.
    lakewoodbuzz.infopop.cc/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=51160672&f=33460472&m=1020082536&r=1220011066#1220011066Never fails to amaze me how often they will dismiss credible sources (PubMed, JAMA, LANCET, Vactruth, etc)…..I refuse to stop posting alternate views about vaccines. Especially when I know what little recourse parents have after their kids are injured.It is my pleasure to help create continued awareness about the sanctioned poisoning of our children. I am becoming unpopular in some circles, but then again I’ve never been a follower or interested in hanging out with drones who like to let others do their thinking for them.

     

  • kathi richards

    Ray, just so you know, “tonsillitis”, is “inflammation of the tonsils”, which occurs when your body is trying to fight off an infection. You were building up immunity. Yay!!!

  • Sleeplessmom

    This makes me nervous, my mother in law got the flu shot every year and at thanksgiving time was diagnosed with an aggressive brain tumor too, the Dr. told us she has less than a year, it has been a nightmare for our family!

  • http://www.digitalangeldonnadj.com/ MessiahMews

    Would you please consider getting rid of that javascript pop up when one first gets to the page?  It’s always irritating to come to a site and have to be bothered with closing these things out.  People really hate that nonsense, you know.  Other than that, I love your site and information.   Thanks.

  • URSULARICHES

    We know that big Pharma wants profits and mainly helps to alleviate people’s symptoms of disease and not the actual disease or cause of it . Anti-biotics are used in animal farming to the extent that they are no longer effective for infections. We know that the wars we call humanitarian actually kill millions of innocent people, that we bomb & arm terrorists into power in Libya (and Syria where we have failed) and that it is all about profit. We also use poisonous foods including GM and additives for our people and animals which are later eaten by people.  It is documented that governments have sprayed viruses and bacteria and such into the air to experiment on the people. Who else is convinced this is still occurring? What are the plane trails chucking out over us all?  I am convinced that the powers of this world are satanic at the root and making war upon humanity and creation. They predict the next flu strain to hit us and then it is dumped on top of us from the air.
    The sheer amount of white cloud trails every blue sky day last summer and in the autumn, the way they lasted ALL DAY LONG, the way the sky went pale blue and was often  filled with metallic haze  makes me SEE the pollution they dump upon us. we also have NORAVIRUS and swine flu along with the barium and aluminium nano  particled haze.
    Do governments want us to have more children? No. Do governments actively promote sterilisation, older parents, abortions and a benefits tax system which is very harsh to families? ARE euthanasia and sterile gay relationships being promoted on our TVS and on the government controlled BBC?  Are Western governments promoting a culture of DEATH?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lowell-Hubbs/1285214003 Lowell Hubbs

    Would a person not think that if the medical establishment were really concerned about the public’s health during flu season, that at least they would realize that pushing something the likes of the flu mist vaccine that sheds, really is not a good idea? As soon as they start vaccinating the cases of flu steadily increase. Of course they can get away with saying, well that was again just the normal flu season as usual, and no one would or should be the wiser, in their world. Any time you are using a live virus, and it sheds, it increases the chance for mutations in the virus. Mutations that could increase as well the virulence of the particular flu strain. But no, they can deny it all claiming no proof, and the public is still supposed to question nothing and while the CDC sits happily at the selectively see nothing, know nothing control switch.
    Post Vaccination – Vaccine Targeted Strain – Viral and Bacterial Pathogen – Sheddinghttp://www.vacfacts.info/post-vaccination-vaccine-targeted-strain—viral-and-bacterial—shedding.html

    Why is it as well that when the benefits of and getting sufficient amounts of vitamin C and D3 are so obvious, that no where have they promoted either of the two? The public in general is known across the board to be often be deficient in vitamin D in the winter, and obviously because of the lack of sun exposure.   

    People have been brought back from the brink of death from the flu, by simply administering IV vitamin C. But most if not all medical facilities will still watch a flu victim die, and never even suggest it. “Only a chemical drug can cure or prevent disease”, statement by the all knowing revolving door with the pharma industry, FDA. Any claims made on anything other than a patented for profit and an approved drug, cause that product or substance then to become a drug. The substance then having not been evaluated by the FDA, and thus costing millions of dollars in FDA approved clinical trials, you then are in violation if you do not cease and desist with your claims. 

    So, lets make this as short and sweet as possible. Here is the information. Review it and judge for yourself. In this next link there is an important video at the top of the page, regarding vitamin C and recovery from the flu. Being most medical facilities will refuse to administer IV vitamin C, there is another option that works just as well.

    LIPOSOMAL ENCAPSULATED VITAMIN C, (with as well information on getting adequate amounts of vitamin D)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/anti-viral—liposomal-encapsulated-vitamin-c.html

    The Danger and Ineffectiveness of Flu Vaccineshttp://www.vacfacts.info/danger-and-ineffectiveness-of-flu-vaccines.html

  • URSULARICHES

     I had my first child over 30 years ago and the vaccines seemed WRONG and EXCESSIVE even then. My mum had eagerly taken us children to homes where other children had disease like measles, mumps, chicken pox and german measles -so we would get it and have it over with BEFORE we started school. I wondered at their scareongering statistics, whether it included starving children in famine in Africa or well fed children in UK.  Their statistics were therefore a nonsense. Whooping cough statistics also were a nonsense because they compared vaccinated children to infected children UNDER 1 year- but what about all of those who were older and would not get the infection? They said breastfeeding boosted immunity but it only lasted for a short time?? The measles did not work and everyone went to have an extra boost of measles vac even ten years after the pre-school vaccinations. Yes. I and many mums QUERIED the Vaccination programme but unfortunately those Experts just swallowed the propaganda for them and did not query. 
      Later in life, with 2 more children and I was aghast to see how even more vaccinations were added. The meningitis vaccines barely made sense as they did not even protect the children from the type that random children were dying from & the statistics were so low for meningitis death that vaccines seemed to be a non answer. People on the bus would see me and tell me of their vaccine affected child who had developed  severe autism after their jabs
    I just kept my children at home when they had headaches to make sure they did not get worse and that meningitis did not hit them. judging by their high temperatures and unwellness, I probably nursed them through a few bouts. This meningitis was something I had not heard of in the few decades before. Was it sprayed over us? Are we being experimented on deliberately?
     It was at grammer school that our teacher read us the article in the guardian that told of of how they had sprayed the people of the UK with colds.  The article had come to light because after so many years secrets are supposed to be released. They have sprayed us and I am convinced that the governnment secret services are doing this to us STILL but to a greater and greater extent.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Great information, Lowell!

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Certainly no shortage of evidence and information of what you speak of. One simply needs to look. Thank you for sharing.

  • Lou

    Here is another reason.

    Alzheimer’s

    How to Produce Alzheimer’s

    “The fluoride/aluminum
    association is of particular importance as it relates to Alzheimer’s Disease.
    Aluminum by itself is not readily absorbed by the body. However, in the presence
    of fluoride ions, the fluoride ions combine with the aluminum to form aluminum
    fluoride, which is absorbed by the body. In the body, the aluminum eventually
    combines with oxygen to form aluminum oxide or alumina (53). Alumina is the
    compound of aluminum that is found in the brains of Alzheimer’s disease.”Ronsivalli, LJ, “Addenda to
    Fluoridation of Public Water Supplies”, Note I don’t think things can be clearer
    than this.

    We have found that
    clinically normal individuals aged 60-65 who receive influenza vaccine three or
    four times during a five-year period, will five years later have an incidence of
    Alzheimer’s disease
    10-fold greater than age-matched individuals who
    did not receive it.” 
    Doctor H.
    Hugh Fudenburg, MD,
    Note and CDC cannot figure out where Alzheimer’s is coming from. Right! 
    90% of our seniors are getting the “flu vaccine” toxin.

    Ever wonder where the neuron tangles of Alzheimer’s come from?

    So if you want to produce Alzheimer’s just feed elders (and
    everyone else) water with fluoride put in it and “vaccinate”
    (with mercury, aluminum and other toxic garbage) the hell out of them. Know
    any country where this is being done? Yeah right here in the land of the
    free.

    It is 100% clear to me if you want to VASTLY reduce your
    odds of contracting Alzheimer’s simply stop drinking
    fluoridated water,  soft drinks, using anything with fluoride in it and getting the toxic and
    totally worthless “Flu Shot” or any other “vaccination”.
     

  • URSULARICHES

     But they spray the viruses onto us to make us all sick-the very viruses they inject.

  • URSULARICHES

     what if the vaccines are of the same virus that they spray on us?

  • URSULARICHES

    Here is a long list of viruses and nasty germs that the USUK and other governments EXPORT.

     http://eyreinternational.wordpress.com/2013/02/02/the-hypocrisy-of-the-new-world-order-and-its-assault-on-islamic-nations-part-3/
    Below is a list (Figure 1) of one such
    consignment sent from the US to Iraq. I would also like to point out
    that the UK also participated in such exports, which I will cover later.
     

     Bacillus Anthracis Cohn (ATCC 10)
    Batch # 08-20-82 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen.

    Bacillus Subtitles (Ehrenberg) Con (ATCC 82)
    Batch # 06-20-84 (2 each)
    Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 3502)
    Batch# 07-07-81 (3 each)
    Class III Pathogen
    Clostridium perfringens (Weillon and Zuber)
    Hauduroy, et al (ATCC 3624)
    Batch# 10-85SV (2 each)
    Bacillus subtilis (ATCC 6051)
    Batch# 12-06-84 (2 each)
    Francisella tularensis var. tularensis Olsufiev
    (ATCC 6223)

    Batch# 05-14-79 (2 each)

    Avirulent; suitable for preparations of  diagnostic antigens.
    Clostridium tetani (ATCC 9441)
    Batch 03-94 (3 each)
    Highly toxigenic.
     Clostridium botulinum Type E (ATCC
    9564) Batch# 03-02-79 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen
     Clostridium tetani (ATCC 10779)
    Batch# 04-24-84S (3 each)
     Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 12916)
    Batch# 08-14-80 (2 each)
    Agglutinating Type 2.
    Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 13124)

    Batch# 08-14-80 (3 each)

    Type A, alpha-toxigenic, produces  lecithinase C.J. Appl,
     Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14185)
    Batch# 01-14-80 (3 each) G.G. Wright (Fort Detrick) V770-NPI-R.
    Bovine anthrax, Class III pathogen
     Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14578)
    Batch# 01-06-78 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen.
    Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 14581)
    Batch# 04-18-85 (2 each)
    Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 14945)
    Batch# 06-21-81 (2 each)
    Clostridium botulinum Type E (ATCC 17855)
    Batch# 06-21-71
    Class III pathogen.
    Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 19213)
    Batch# 3-84 (2 each)
    Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 19397)
    Batch# 08-18-81 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen
    Brucella abortus Biotype 3 (ATCC 23450)
    Batch# 08-02-84 (3 each)
    Class III pathogen
    Brucella abortus Biotype 9 (ATCC 23455)
    Batch# 02-05-68 (3 each)
    Class III pathogen
    Brucella melitensis Biotype I (ATCC 23456)
    Batch# 03-08-78 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen
    Brucella melitensis Biotype 3 (ATCC 23458)
    Batch# 01-29-68 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen
    Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 25763)
    Batch# 8-83 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen
    Clostridium botulinum Type F (ATCC 35415)
    Batch# 02-02-84 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen
    “The United States did not believe that they would be used
    for anything other than legitimate research purposes and therefore did
    not knowingly export the materials to assist a biological weapons
    programme”……………….How naive can you get?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lowell-Hubbs/1285214003 Lowell Hubbs

    That article goes on to make these statements, which if fact; shows the irresponsible, reckless, and criminal intent of the US, in the promotion of biological weapons. Truly a country that all to obviously can not be trusted to have the public’s best interest as a priority. This whole issue is one of flirting with a human suffering disaster, of epic proportions. This is one more reason we need to be cautious and question everything in relation to pandemic vaccines, and false flag scenarios like the past H1N1 scare, that brought again fear mongered thousands of people unwittingly to the vaccine clinics, to get the vaccine. Pharma as well, laughed all the way to the bank.

    Further excerpts from the above. 

    [The United States secretly supported Iraq in its eight-year war with Iran, and that in February 1982 the US Administration removed Iraq from its list of ‘terrorist states’ in order to do so. Furthermore, there is the astonishing fact that, among the various agencies of the Government of Iraq listed in the Riegle Report, one repeated recipient of these deadly materials was no less than the Iraqi nuclear weapons research facility, the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission. One could ask the US how could the conclusion possibly be reached that between 1985 and 1989 anthrax and other warfare-related biological materials were exported from the US to Iraq for “legitimate research purposes”?

    One also needs to look at the fact that the UK supplied Biological and Chemical agents to Iraq, unfortunately documentation on this is well hidden but evidence does exist that the UK certainly did supply such agents.

    Back in the 1970’s Iraq had approached the USSR to buy a plant to manufacture chemical weapons, but his request was refused. Saddam then began courting the West, and received a much more favourable response.

    An American company, Pfaulder Corporation of Rochester, New York, supplied the Iraqis with a blueprint in 1975, enabling them to construct their first chemical warfare plant. The plant was purchased in sections from Italy, West Germany and East Germany and assembled in Iraq. It was located at Akhashat in north-western Iraq, and the cost was around $50 million for the plant and $30 million for the safety equipment.]

    And they keep on getting away with all this, and no serious investigation is ever done. They, the government and as well with their inter relations with pharma and obviously errant miscellaneous chemical/biological labs, are entirely immune to any investigations whatsoever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lowell-Hubbs/1285214003 Lowell Hubbs

    We as well and already have the previously known issue of SV-40 virus in the previous polio era vaccines, and all the questions of its relation to the causation of multiple types of cancer. Which by the way of course the CDC and FDA again deny any existing proof of the connection.We as well have the unresolved issue of individuals and children now as well it being found still existing SV-40 in cancer and even benign tumors, in those individuals to young to have ever had the known at the time SV-40 contaminated vaccines. Evidence of that fact, offered below.

    Scientific proof that the known cancer causing SV40 virus, a previous contaminant in the polio vaccine, is obviously either contagious; or the virus is still in the vaccine/s.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/scientific-proof-that-the-known-cancer-causing-sv40-virus-a-previous-contaminant-in-the-polio-vaccine-is-obviously-either-contagious-or-the-virus-is-still-in-the-vaccines.html

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign
    http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

    Now, as if that were not irresponsible enough, the FDA is as well now investigating the current feasibility of using cancer tumors, to make vaccines. You know obviously cancer can make continuous cells lines that will create unlimited cell lines that will reproduce cell lines to make unlimited vaccines, forever. Right? Even better than with with the use of the current aborted fetal cell lines.

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Lets take a look at the evidence.

    Investigating Viruses in Cells Used to Make Vaccines; and Evaluating the Potential Threat Posed by Transmission of Viruses to Humans
    http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/scienceresearch/biologicsresearchareas/ucm127327.htm

    What should be equally as unsettling is the FDA’s collaboration with the pharmaceutical giant GSK, in these endeavors. GSK is one of the most proven corrupt pharmaceutical companies on earth. Fined over and over again for their errant practices by the DOJ. It does not matter to them because the profits are always far more than the penalties, and NO ONE ever goes to prison. They are obviously to big to single out just a select few people. And we all know that they must continue to not allow a pharma giant that makes the savior chemical drugs and the savior holy water vaccines, to ever be a risk of public benefit, collapse.

    FDA Briefing Document
    Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Meeting
    September 19, 2012
    Cell Lines Derived from Human Tumors for Vaccine Manufacture

    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AdvisoryCommittees/CommitteesMeetingMaterials/BloodVaccinesandOtherBiologics/VaccinesandRelatedBiologicalProductsAdvisoryCommittee/UCM319573.pdf

    Alternate source link:
    http://sanevax.org/cell-lines-derived-from-human-tumors-for-vaccine-manufacture-fda-briefing-document/

    2012 Meeting Materials, Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee
    November 14-15, 2012

    Subsections: Bibliography FDA Briefing Document; Cell Lines Derived from Human Tumors for Vaccine Manufacture
    FDA Briefing Document: Cell Lines Derived from Human Tumors for Vaccine Manufacture 

    http://www.fda.gov/AdvisoryCommittees/CommitteesMeetingMaterials/BloodVaccinesandOtherBiologics/VaccinesandRelatedBiologicalProductsAdvisoryCommittee/ucm288695.htm

    [PDF] FDA – “Designer” Cells as Substrates for the Manufacture of Viral Vaccines
    http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/01/briefing/3750b1_01.pdf

    BIG PHARMA CRIMINALITY NO LONGER A CONSPIRACY THEORY: BRIBERY, FRAUD, PRICE FIXING NOW A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD
    http://worldtruth.tv/big-pharma-criminality-no-longer-a-conspiracy-theory-bribery-fraud-price-fixing-now-a-matter-of-public-record/

    Now, does anyone think there just may be a reason to question everything you have ever been told about vaccines. Do you think there is any possibility that everything we were fed for information, needs to come under an investigational  spotlight? Trust your doctor, and just trust your pediatrician? They are the assumed, medical professionals, right? “Educate before you vaccinate”!  

    VacFacts
    http://www.vacfacts.info/index.html

  • URSULARICHES

     If we keep trying we may get a REAL international criminall court to TRY the monsters in our governments and elsewhere who are responsible for all manner of crimes against humanity.

  • URSULARICHES

     International criminal court and asset stripping of the corrupt.  I want a new people’s sovereign currency for each nation. We print it, it is our money and e can take over and not want their money which will be paper rubbish.

  • educated

    yeah they are sited, but when you only take part of the information, AND SITE YOUR OWN WEBSITE??? what kind of a source is that? Also where is all the primary literature? Where is your p value? What solid evidence do you have??? These “sources” are Bologna

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    And what is your suggestion? Copying the entire studies word for word? I guess you haven’t read any of the sources for yourself. Fascinating and bologna indeed.

  • argus

    Jeffrey is great at accusing people of being “shills” when they post information that he does not want to recognize or admit to.
    But do not look for this pop-up or any of the busy ads on the side of the screen to go away soon. Nor any of the mentions from the other authors of the books they have for sale. All these things are money in the bank.
    Shills, indeed!

  • argus

    Keep playing dumb, Jeffrey. You don’t need to copy the wording from the entire study write-up into you article. What educated is pointing out is that you are cherry-picking – select just the words or information that can be twisted to support your assertion while ignoring anything else in the study write-up that goes against it.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    You’re more than welcome to refute anything I write and present information. However you don’t do this. Heck, you don’t even use your real name.

  • Costa Rica

    ” Most people that “die from the flu” did NOT die from the flu but other underlying illnesses”, I quote this because you believe this and yet fully buy into the song and dance here that vaccines kill people. Using your own logic then it could be easily argued that “Most people that ‘die from vaccine injuries’ did NOT die from vaccines injuries but from other underlying illnesses.” Feel free to point out the error in my logic.

    Jeffry John Aufderheide, could you please explain the meaning of see #1 if the experts guess wrong, I don’t see the connection. It must be only me since no one else has asked. Is there a difference between if they get it right or wrong? Seems to me you get the same amount of “toxins” either way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001359335487 Jock Doubleday

    Anyone who needs *scientific* ammunition against vaccine proponents: my eBook is a good place to start.

    “Into the Labyrinth: Discovering the Truth about Vaccination” is one of my eBooks on natural health – a conversational expose on the historical fraud of vaccination, based on a talk I gave at the 2004 AutismOne conference in Chicago . . . with updated clickable links and information.

    “Into the Labyrinth: Discovering the Truth about Vaccination”
    https://www.facebook.com/jockdoubleday.writer

  • http://www.whale.to/ John Wantling

    Mercury and also aluminum are both adjuvants and these are used to generate antibodies to the vaccine. Note that it isnt the so-called germ, in this case flu germ, that generates antibody response, but the adjuvant. Dr Tetyana Obukhanych states that… ‘this cellular damage is sensed by the immune system, which then initiates the immune response against a “foreign” protein that showed up in the context of such damage. Without alum and without damage that it creates, the immune system would simply disregard the injected foreign protein as innocuous and not make any antibodies against it. But since the whole point of vaccination is to induce antibody production, then whatever alum is doing to induce antibody production, is considered favorable’. So flu vaccine antibodies are not germ antibodies, but poison related. Because it is impossible to transplant a so-called virus from a human to a vaccine and then back into a human, then its obvious that a vaccine cannot possibly work. The ‘flu virus’ that is contained in vaccines are merely proteins and bits, and this is not the whole virus. So basically a vaccine is a poison that generates antibody response, which as Jim West states on harpub.tk is merely a first aid response of the body towards a poison. This is absolutely nothing related to immunity or human health, it is nothing more than mass poisoning. The antibodies generated by say a flu shot are not germ related, but poison related. When a virologist finds this antibody response, they call it an effective vaccine and assume that this translates into immunity. This is a grand assumption, and if so, it is also very bad science and very bad medicine. John Wantling, Rochdale, UK

  • http://www.whale.to/ John Wantling

    I cannot think of a more stupid and dangerous practice than vaccinating a pregnant woman with what is basically a chemical poisonous soup. This is not an accident waiting to happen, but an accident that has already happened taking into consideration the 4,250 per cent
    increase in the number of miscarriages and stillbirths reported to VAERS in the 2009/2010 flu season. That is what one would expect to happen and that is exactly what did happen. I recently asked a
    pregnant woman about the issues and dangers of ultrasound and vaccinations being a threat to her developing baby, and she said that she didn’t want to know, she couldn’t face it, it was too much for her to take in, so that means that here we have yet another accident waiting to happen and the chances of her baby being healthy is now in the balance. This is not a good way to give birth to a baby and expect it to be healthy. The moral of the story is don’t get vaccinated and don’t get ultrasound. The chances of the baby suffering developmental problems, assuming that it survives this assault on its senses, is going to be in the balance. I don’t know what the chances are of the baby being damaged, but 1 in 6 kids in US has some form of neuro-developmental disability. How long will it be before one in two kids are damaged. We are not far away. I’m not saying vaccines are responsible for all neuro-developmental disabilities, but the US vaccine policy is going to
    destroy that country and bring it down to its knees. That is sheer madness. We need to pat our doctors on the back for doing this to our children. Congratulations! Go collect your Nobel Prize for destroying the health of the nation. John Wantling, Rochdale, UK

  • http://www.whale.to/ John Wantling

    You say that the experts guess which flu strain the flu vaccines contain, but once again the virus contained in the actual vaccine is not the whole ‘flu virus’, it is merely proteins, particles and bits. This is not the whole virus, and so these bits cannot possible immunize a pussy cat, never mind a human being. Let’s say that we have a nut and a bolt, and we cut the nut in half and we remove the thread, do you think that this will be effective. Of course not, it will be useless, and a bit of a virus is also the same. This is one reason why a flu shot cannot possibly work. Once again, it is merely a poison that we inject into the body. This is not a bright idea. What the vaccine will do is poison the cells and this may well cause flu-like symptoms, which is the body’s way of cleansing the cells. It isn’t about immunity, it cannot be. John Wantling, Rochdale, UK

  • http://www.whale.to/ John Wantling

    And we must also take into consideration that if the flu is infectious, then how long does it take a ‘flu virus’ to go around the globe, meaning to infect the whole human organism worldwide. A health teacher once told me that it would take a few days to travel throughout the UK. Now this is based on germ theory which may well be deeply flawed. I’m guessing, but to travel around the world would take about one month, and that is wishful thinking. So once the whole organism is infected, the virus will be spent, and so it will either die or mutate. So a flu vaccine that is manufactured will take say 10 to 12 months to reach the consumer. This is ten months too late because the original virus has now done its work and either died a death or mutated. The vaccine will be absolutely useless, if what I say is true. It is like booking a ticket to catch a train that has already left the station 10 months ago. John Wantling, Rochdale, UK

  • http://www.whale.to/ John Wantling

    With vaccines, we are trying to do something that is impossible, and this is all based on germ theory of disease, which states that disease arises
    from micro-organisms from outside the body (Pasteur). Bechamp stated quite the opposite, his cellular theory of disease stated that disease arises from micro-organisms within the cells of the body. The problem here is that the medics follow the theory of germ. They do this because they don’t have to think, they merely wage war on the germ, and if that kills or damages the patient, then that is the price we pay. HIV was a classic case, where they waged war on the so-called germ, and this poisoned 150,000 people to death with AZT, and this they called AIDS. In fact, it was death by prescription. But the fact remains that the medics and virologists do not understand the mechanisms of disease, so they translate symptoms of disease into germ causation. Barbara Loe Fisher says this… ‘So they are saying that some people ethically can be sacrificed for the greater good, but what they never bother to find out, even if you accept that as a moral rationale, is how many are being sacrificed, 500, 5000, 500,000, how many are being sacrificed!’ The Greater Good film. When we look at this sacrifice, we are talking
    about mass murder, which is genocide. Now is this what medicine has turned into, a form of mass killing. This is all an intrinsic part of the vaccination issue. The moral of the story is that when we wage war on a so-called germ that we don’t fully understand, then we are
    liable to damage and kill humans. John Wantling, Rochdale, UK

  • Carter

    That’s pretty radical of you. There can be reasons to not get vaccinated, and that is if you’re allergic.

  • Carter

    He didn’t explain it well, but there is some truth to that. Basically, the flu shot is composed of three different strains (subspecies, if you will) of the flu. The vaccine/nasal spray either have dead or harmless viruses of each of these strains. And they are not mere “guesses” as to what strains are picked. The vaccine/nasal spray contain the three most prevalent strains found in people during that year/season. It would be extremely rare and unusual for you to get sick from a strain not found in the vaccine. If you did get sick from a different strain, then you definitely have an underlying problem or immunity deficiency problem.

  • http://www.abicana.com/ Knut Holt

    In Norway we had a heavy propaganda campain to make people take swine flu vaccine, and most Norwegians behave like cattle when the authorities say go. But 25% did not abide, among those me. Doctors were the group most resistant to take the vaccine themselves. Only 30% of them did, since they knew more of the whole truth.

  • Mark

    Thimerosal was originally incorporated into vaccines as an antibiotic to reduce the occurrence of bacterial infections related to injections due to poor hygiene from administering doctors. There are numerous studies and there has never been any concrete evidence that the level of mercury present in the vaccine causes any harm to the human body. Please stop using emotive statements to back your arguments and please stop deliberately leaving out key information that completely debunks every single one of your “damn good reasons”. Scepticism is not a bad approach to medicine and the right level is always needed, however in doing so, I implore you to use the same scepticism you have against vaccines onto those who provide information that is anti-vaccination. Statements that take excerpts out of context or misleading data is dangerous. I pray that you consider the effects your comments have on the future health of others who read your comments. If you have any concerns regarding vaccines, I implore you to address them to an immunologist who specialises in this field.

  • Thomas

    Yes great argument there Jeffry, lets spend 10+ years studying medicine, working 16+ hour shifts to bully a parent into vaccinating a child, a method, which is believed by many to actually reduce a child’s likelihood to become sick and even die. Not knowing that a vaccine has mercury (whose levels in the vaccines have never been concretely proven to cause any harm) is really a great sin. No-one said doctors are perfect and being critical about what they say is something that all patients should have to improve their own care, but please do not just throw out their years of experience in study and working in hospitals over details that have not been proven to be significant.

  • Adam

    In Norway we had a heavy propaganda campain to make people take swine flu vaccine, +100500

    http://www.plagiarismdetect.com

  • AngleWorm

    And cigarettes do not cause cancer

  • kmoff1965

    Are you a physician or work in the drug industry? Do you actually know what is in each vaccine? If you are a physician or associated with pharma that explains your remark above. If not, you’re just another brainwashed sheep like the ptb want.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Can you please elaborate more on how an immunologist would be able to tell a parent about the toxicity of thimerosal? I thought that’s what toxicologists are for?

  • RXist82

    Good comment Mark! Finally someone with some sense! Yogurt has bacteria in it, are you all now going to stop eating yogurt? That bacteria = probiotics! Readers, do your own research from legitimate sources, not someone’s propaganda!

  • http://www.abicana.com/shop2.htm Knut Holt

    Even the official experts admit that the flu vaccines are at best 62% effective to prevent a person from catching flu, and that most often they are less effective and the effectiveness decreases drastically during the season.

  • Amy Gresl

    Maybe you just don’t want to admit you’ve been “had” by the government.
    I treat people with Mercury poisoning. It’s not pretty. They lose track of time, their bodies can’t fight bacteria, mold, fungus. It grows in their intestines. Even just a trace amount in a shot ads up year after year. Your body can’t detox it if it doesn’t have the right nutrients and this country is starved for nutrients. Look at the overweight people. That is nutrient deficiency!

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Yogurt is injected? Yes – I encourage people to do their own research.

  • Brian

    Been healthy for 3 straight years, not even a cold. Got flu shot on Friday since it was “free” at work. Been sick for 4 straight days. Coincidence, I think not. Never again!

  • ANTI-vac

    Hey RXist82- Yogurt has bacteria, yes… Probiotics are good flora in your body… NATURAL flora you genious (sarcasm…you incompetent, government had sloth)…Get your mind right. VACCINATIONS ARE NOT GOOD FOR THE HUMAN BODY… I havent been sick in 4 years, refused the flu shot… everyone I know that gets the flu shot is sick upon every season of the year and it’s not allergies champ… So before you say “finally someone with some sense”…get some sense yourself and research what Probiotics are budsicles… and start taking 20-50 billion count per day and you might be healthy yourself after alll those antibiotics you feed your body with that you think are “HEALTHY” for treating infections…ever hear of water? broccoli? tumeric? onions? garlic? tea? they treat infections quite nicely…
    cheers “genious”

  • Carly

    What a bunch of bullshit crackpot ‘science’ you have managed to throw together. Please don’t believe any of this. Vaccines save lives. Case in point, small pox. Do you have it? Does your child? Thank you vaccines for eradicating such a horrible disease. Any asshole parent who doesn’t believe in vaccines please keep your kids as far away from mine as possible because when, not if, they come down with something they should have been vaccinated against I don’t want my vaccinated child exposed. MY children still have a small, but growing (thanks irresponsible parents ) chance of contracting these diseases. Conspiracy theories will always be around but real, actual scientific facts cannot be argued. Get your info from a reliable source. Vaccines save lives.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    You should take a moment to reflect what you just wrote.

    If vaccines work, your children should be perfectly safe. Think long and hard about it.

  • Marlene Hager

    continue to be cautious. There is no safe level of mercury (thimerosal) which they claim is a preservative. Have you noticed the increase in autism??? It’s all mercury related. Flu shots/ mercury. I have never had a flu shot in my life. The last flu I had was years ago. My daughter got a waiver for her children to avoid the vaccinations. They are all healthy. AVOID VACCINATIONS. IT’S GOOD TO BE CAUTIOUS.

  • BS

    I call BS on this entire article….

  • Kim

    My mom had the flu vaccine on Oct.8, 2013, had an aneurysm Nov. 23, was diagnosed with bacterial flu about a week later. She had a significant bleed in her brain that took her life on Dec. 21. I really started wondering about the flu vaccine and just thought it would start investigating it.

  • Adam Alander

    People who bad mouth this article are either 1: paid by big pharma to do so or 2: have not done enough research and believe what the doctors tells them without question. Just take a day or 2 and Google to research that swine flu was man made. How hard is it to believe that a billion (if not trillion) dollar industry wants to keep us sick so they can keep making bank!. Open your eye’s people or suffer the consequences. I never take shots and I eat as organic and natural as possible and I rarely get sick. This article is spot on!. Anyone who calls bs is corrupt or an idiot. Sorry but true lol..

  • Adam Alander
  • Wajih Qazi

    There is so much truth to this. All this crap is business for the pharmaceutical industry. You think they actually care about us? This article is pretty eye opening and I’m glad I didn’t get a flu shot this year. Eat healthy, dress properly and you’ll be fine.

  • myranda

    I was going to say the same thing if you hadn’t.

  • Tyler Erasmus

    unfortunately this article does propose a substantial amount of facts and figures which do appose vaccines. i completely understand reasons why parents want to get their children vaccinated and i completely understand why other people don’t want to get vaccination. but to be perfectly honest it has been scientifically proven by doctors and scientists (at this point it doesn’t matter if thoughts/ideas/information were stolen from other people) that some vaccines do work. someone on this discussion mentioned small pox, a perfect example. a scientist went around giving children cow pox, which was genetically similar to small pox but no where near as deadly, thus stopping children from getting small pox. since their bodies have been introduced to strains of a similar virus their bodies learned how to fight them of. its almost like saying, two people or going to get into a ring with no prior fighting experience but the other person is a virus for the other person. the person that trains (gets the vaccination) is way more likely to win against the person that doesnt train (doesnt get the vaccination). however this article does put across some valid views, for example it was talking about mercury being in some vaccinations and yes mercury can be dangerous for the body, even exposures of just 1mcg of mercury can produce toxic effects in the body and can lead to other things like blood poisoning, c.f.s., etc. it was also talking about how even if you get a flu vaccine you can still get the flu… DUH!!… the vaccine takes about 2-3 weeks before it can actually start taking effect, your antibodies need time to learn and grasp the understand of the shape of the strain of flu you were vaccinated with, plus in this time the chances are you could even have the flu, the symptoms won’t show up over night they can just sit their inside cells feeding and reproducing and then when someone coughs near you or sneezes near you or you may eat or drink something funny and then you have to flu, because the virus is just sitting inside the blood cells where it can hide and then when there is a sudden increase from the extremities (nose, eyes, mouth) you get sick because those cells burst open releasing virus into your body… this is almost like what the Trojans did with the wooden horse. plus the flu virus is constantly changing and mutating one week your body can defend against it but the next it could have changed completely, and then there is also the fact that there is more than just a few different strains of flu, there are three classes of the influenza virus class A, B, C. within these classes are quite a lot of different, constantly changing strains of the flu (thank you charles darwin for the theory of evolution). lets also not forget majority of the time you think you have the flu, 90% of the time it is just a bad cold, the actual influenza virus produces more severe symptoms, causing 250,000 to 500,000 deaths annually, you can get vaccinated from the flu but you could probably still get a cold now and then. unfortunately for the fetal deaths rising, it is a very sad thing having a miscarriage. but the vaccines wont play a serious part in this, yes after getting vaccinated you bodies anti bodies will be a bit pre-occupied and so your immune system may be weak, but we also have to take into account what goes on around the pregnant woman during the 9 months of pregnancy, anything can lead to miscarriages, a bump on the mother stomach at the wrong time, smokers living around then, a couple too many drinks now and then… heck sometimes a womans body is just not strong enough to endure it at that point in time and she can have a miscarriage… its a sad thing, that unfortunately regardless of vaccinations is increasing whether we like it or not, sometimes it can just happen. now to the government, i dislike the government just as much as the next person but i do understand that the only way health care industries get money is to charge for health care, the government seem to have other ideas for there money and its not easy for the health care industries to just come up with the right prescription medication that they need. they need to find, in some cases produce it and then pay for it, the machinery, equipment and the mixtures to produce vaccines and medication or not cheap at all, it is very expensive but yet people want to go out and buy expensive houses and expensive cars and expensive jewelry and then complain about the money charge for vaccines and medication, the health care companies and industries need the money to keep going, if they don’t get the money they need to a lot of people don’t get the vaccines and medication they need. lets also bring up the fact that vaccines and prescribed medication is free until the age of 18 (in the UK the US may do things differently) so that means when you get vaccines, medications or not… its free. after that you dont have to pay for the medication they suggest, if you dont want it, just because you get sick doesnt mean you need to go to the doctors, you have a cold but they’ll prescribe you co-codamol for £30 or something at the hospital, when you can get it over the counter for less, or even better go home make your self some herbal or any tea, but no milk and no sugar maybe a spoon of honey drink it slowly and calmly so you dont upset your stomach and the have a warm shower and climb into bed and rest, few days later you’ll be fine. you dont have to pay for vaccines if you dont want them, which is a point made by the argument (kinda).its not exactly a reason to say no to vaccines but if money is a problem then you dont have to get a vaccination.

  • Chester M.

    I’m bad-mouthing it, as ti is a total crock of crap cherry picking stats completely out of context without even trying to find an actual reason to statistical differences. I can find a statistical difference in the number of people wearing seatbelts in car crashes. The VAST majority of people involved in car crashes were wearing their seatbelt at the time of the incident. So seatbelts impede driving ability and/or cause crashes? That’s the kind of assumptions the article makes, and if you’re too stupid to see how that’s bad science then too bad.

  • Adam Alander

    Ha ha OK bud, your right. There is nothing to fear about the pharmaceutical industry, they have our best interests at heart. I’ve had “discussions” with people like you before. But as much as l’d like to continue bantering with you I’d rather give myself a thousand paper cuts and pour lemon juice in them. Even still I guarantee it wouldnt be as bad for me as is what is contained in many Vaccines.. Ha ha ha. Sometimes I wonder where this world is headed…

  • Rusty Golden

    last time i got a flu shot it nearly killed me , the whole batch in loveland CO was tainted with syney flu virus

  • Carmen Cini

    Agree with you completely. If people just took the time to read and investigate they will see governments, pharmaceutical company’s and large corporations on the whole ARE NOT doing things for our own good! Only ignorance will say anything contrary to that. We can arguing and debate until the proverbial cows come home but nothing teaches us more than history and educating ourselves of the truth.

  • don juan

    mercury metabolized from ethylmercury has a much longer half-life in the brain, at least 120 days, it appears to be much less toxic than the inorganic mercury produced from mercury vapor, for reasons not yet understood.[4]

    doesnt sound safe to me ? sorry “bs feet” i call you BS LMAO!! HAHAHA

  • don juan

    ANY SMART BIZZNESS MAN KNOWS CURES DONT CREATE CUSTOMERS.. THE PRIMARY CONCERN FOR ANY BUSINESS IS TO GENERATE REVENUE…. I SAY THEY SHOULD BE SEWED EVEY PENNY THEY HAVE……. IMMORALITY OF THE HUMAN SOUL FOR PROFIT SHOULD BE THE WORST CRIME THERE IS . THEY ARE CREATING 10000000 XX DAMAGE THEN MOST CRIMAL’S

  • don juan
  • don juan

    WHERE IS YOUR SOURCE OF INFORMATION

  • don juan

    USING FEAR TO CONTROL…… THE FEAR OF THE FLU …YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR WRONG IV NEVER HAD A FLU SHOT EVER… NEVER HAD THE FLU OR BEEN SICK .. LITTLE SNIFFLE NOW AND THEN BUT NOTHING BAD.. HISTORY SHOW PROPAGANDA USED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA TO CONVINCE THE MASS POPULATION TO DO SOMETHING THATS IN BEST INTEREST FOR MAJOR CORPORATIONS BUT OHH YEA AMERICA IS A CORPORATION BET YOU DIDN’T KNOW THAT

    SOURCE http://theunjustmedia.com/Banking%20&%20Federal%20Reserve/The%20united%20states%20Of%20America%20%20is%20a%20corporation%20owned%20by%20fore.htm

  • The_sheesh

    Are you a physician or work in the drug industry? Do you actually know what is in each vaccine? I’m sure all the “research” you have done is from sources such as this website and avoids unbiased sources, because unbiased sources show significantly different results than presented here.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    The manufacturing of vaccines “may” be clean, but not sterile. It is unlikely you know what is contaminating vaccines, and that is a large problem.

  • Rico Anthony

    I find this article to be very persuasively written. It has a lot of emotional appeal. Unfortunately, most of that emotion is fear. It relies heavily on “don’t trust Big Brother” and the supportive comments seem to be un-trusting people. The sources are borderline fraudulent. If you turned in a paper with these sources as your support, it would fail. Your credible sources either support none of your argument or were in favor of vaccination. The only source close to acceptable was another article on this website, which is not a credible source, and only because she did her homework.
    I support vaccinations and only read this article because I was hoping for something thought-provoking; I was disappointed.

  • Rico Anthony

    You don’t have to fear diseases your children have been vaccinated against. Yes, there is a chance they could get them if they came in contact with them, but their bodies will have antibodies to fight the diseases, giving them a better survival rate. It is the un-vaccinated children that would suffer.

  • Sk

    Hmm. Well smartass if the vaccines you ignorantly inject your innocent children with work so well, I’m not sure my ‘dumbass’ decision to not vaccinate my child will harm yours in any way. If vaccines are so highly efficient then you’ve got nothing to worry about.

  • Stephanie

    It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that toxins in ANY amount are never good for your body. Mercury is extremly harmful to a human. Thus, one can easily conclude that no level in ones body is safe. Duh.

  • walter

    liar

  • giantcatbear99

    You don’t understand how vaccines work.

  • giantcatbear99

    The toxicity of any substance is directly related to the amount you take in. Many “toxic” substances are perfectly harmless at low doses, and even water becomes “toxic” if you have too much of it in you.

  • giantcatbear99

    There is no thimerosal in any of the vaccines given to children, so there would be no need.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide
  • giantcatbear99

    You are partially correct, but again there is no evidence thimerosal is harmful in the quantities in which it is administered in vaccinations. As a Brit I initially assumed it would be the same as here – where no vaccinations on the childhood schedule contain thimerosal – but to clarify, from the FDA website:

    “Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine. A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (≥ 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose.”

    Of course, if you really wanted to ingest a significant amount of mercury, eating a single portion of most fish will do the job far better than a vaccination…

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    One passes through the alimentary tract (fish) whilst the other is absorbed into the muscle tissue (vaccine). Certainly there is a difference between injecting and ingesting.

    I would encourage you to read the candid discussion that took place between CDC / Industry leaders in regard to thimerosal. Do a search for the “Simpsonwood Document” and spend the time to read it.

  • disqus_E799Vnu5KU

    you get more mercury from eating tuna

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    You don’t inject tuna.

  • James Smith

    You’re an idiot and that’s a fact.

  • Rico Anthony

    I guess it must be true since you said it was a fact.

  • barngroverl

    maybe so, but if you look at how many times it is given, it means a lot, not to mention it goes straight into your blood stream and directly affects your
    . It completely kills them in fact. Vaccines are all part of a big business deal nothing more. They are causing more harm than good, and one day that will be seen and obvious, but it will be too late. God gave us a perfect defense system and man is screwing it up.

  • Angel Rodriguez

    This was very helpful and you helped me do my language arts project on how flu shots are bad. Thank you.

  • SelenaGomez/UrmiDevi

    When I get a flu shot, I get sick all the time! I’m not lying, it is true. This year I am not taking the flu shot, last year I did.

  • SelenaGomez/UrmiDevi >

    Do you agree with me? Or you don’t agree with me?

  • SelenaGomez/UrmiDevi

    Your wrong! They do cause cancer, because cigarettes is smoking.

  • Guest

    They are not referring to ads. They are talking about that javascript popup, after the page loads to either like on Facebook or subscribe. Those annoying things that you have to X out of. Every damn website feels the need to annoy readers anymore. Not everyone has Facebook, nor do they want their emails full of newsletters, when they can just come to the site whenever they want to. Regarding ads, if they are not excessive nor block out the content, or installing malware/spyware on everyone’s computer, then I have no problem with those.

  • elnura
  • elnura

    CDC Caught Hiding Data Showing Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/cdc-caught-hiding-data-showing-mercury-in-vaccines-linked-to-autism/

    Thimerosal Papers
    Papers Showing a Connection Between Thimerosal Exposure and Neurological Harm
    http://www.ashotoftruth.org/thimerosal-papers

    Notice that these studies go back to 1931. You need to stop misleading people before you thoroughly research a topic as important as mercury. This is what mercury does in a body:

    How Mercury Destroys the Brain – University of Calgary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtFsy0rQsak

    Doctors used to say SMOKING did not cause any damage to the human body also:

    What Cigarette Do You Smoke Doctor? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUZI0vE0FM

  • sabelmouse

    not very well!

  • Brian Johnson

    the year after the First World War ended a flu epidemic killed several million worldwide

  • EMC

    I have seen both sides of the spectrum. I have found proponents for the flu vaccination (and I am talking about both the “educated” and the “uneducated” proponents) to be equally as driven by fear to get the flu shot as those who refuse it. I have a sister who had temporary paralysis in her legs minutes just minutes after receiving a shot. And this year I caught the flu. I did not get the shot. Do you want to know the irony? I caught it from my flu-vaccinated husband. I felt really sorry for him, too. He had a more severe case and suffered much longer than I did. This whole flu-vaccination-thing has gotten to be like religion and politics. There is voodoo on both sides. Live without fear with eyes wide open. Build your immune system. That is the key. We live in a scary world, but we don’t have to live afraid….or angry at the party on the other side.

  • Bluest moon

    :(

  • Jill

    That’s a great analogy sweetie with the boxing but there are other ways to train.

  • no flu shot

    My reason for not getting the shot is the last one I had put me in the hospital for 24 days and almost killed me. the definition of irony, getting a shot so you don’t get sick and it ruins your health.

  • Dr. Mom

    Peer reviewed pub meds…not in the favor if tyrannical vax pushers…save this and pay it forward, you will most definitely be asked for your pub med papers to earn a seat at their table. Give it to em.
    Vaccines harm and destroy lives…keep refuting their propaganda…
    http://therefurbishedrogue.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-list-of-peer-reviewed-vaccine-research/

  • Lou

    The bottom line on the “Seasonal Flu” is you do NOT want protection from ONLY the seasonal flu. You want protection from ALL VIRAL infection. The “Seasonal Flu” is a minor, UNKNOWABLE apriori, subset of VIRAL INFECTION.

    Vitamins D and C, in ADEQUATE AMOUNTS will protect you from ALL VIRAL INFECTIONS.

    It is just this simple and difficult.

    There are TWO things to protect against here the toxic “flu vaccination” and the common usually harmless seasonal flu. This protocol does both.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_flu_shot_intro.htm

  • Lou

    OMG NO!

    What happened in 1918 is very important because we are about to see a rerun. A very good defense against the up coming Political Pandemic is to UNDERSTAND just what happened in 1918.

    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie—
    deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent,
    persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the
    comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
    John Fitzgerald Kennedy (1917–1963)

    “In 1918 those treated in the US by Osteopathic physicians had a mortality rate that was 20 times less than those treated by regular physicians. The standard treatment used by allopathic physicians was ASPIRIN to reverse fever and COUGH SUPPRESSANTS to stop coughing. A fever and a cough are defenses that help us cope with invading agents. Hobbling these defenses meant that those with the flu had less ability to cope and died at a rate 20 times greater than those who avoided aspirin and other drugs.” Doctor Harold Magoun, JAOA 2004, Note in 1918 “vaccinations” NOT a virus are what often got you sick in the first place

    “By 1918, an important study appeared in Rockefeller Institute’s Journal of Experimental Medicine. [9] Physician Herbert Windsor Wade, an American investigator working out of the Department of Pathology and Bacteriology at the University of the Philippines’s College of Medicine and Surgery, doubted that a virus had anything to do with Influenza.” Influenza: How A Microbe Was Repackaged and Sold as Being a Virus

    http://healthyprotocols.com/Pandemic%20of%201918.htm

  • Lou

    “Vaccines save lives. Case in point, small pox.”

    This is the MYTH. Please learn the history of “vaccination”.

    “By 1853, Parliament began passing laws to make the untested vaccine compulsory throughout the British Empire. Other countries of Europe
    followed suit. Once the economic implications of compulsory vaccinations were realized, few dared to disagree. Then, as now, the media were controlled by the vaccine manufacturers and the government, who stood to make huge money from the sale of these spurious vaccines…” Tim O’Shea, D.C.

    “In 1853 England introduced compulsory vaccination. Before this time the highest death rate from smallpox was 2000 for any two year period. However 20 years later there were 23,062 deaths in England and Wales with smallpox spreading over Europe in all the countries where vaccination was practiced on a large scale. During the same epidemic in Germany 124,948 people died of smallpox. Of the 155 persons admitted to the Smallpox Hospital in the Parish of St. James, Piccadilly, 145 had been vaccinated.” Doctor Phillip Incao MD

    “Small pox vaccinations were actually shown to increase the likelihood of small pox outbreaks. The Smallpox Hospital in London reported a steady, alarming increase in smallpox incidents after the established practice of immunizations. The incidence of smallpox began at five percent at the beginning of the century, rising to 44 percent in 1845, 64 percent in 1855,
    78 percent in 1865, 90 percent in 1875 and 96 percent in 1885.”
    More Vaccines or Better Nutrition Prevents Disease?

    “Vaccination programs in the late 19th and early 20th century decimated the populations of many countries where government sponsored vaccination programs were introduced. Japan suffered 48,000 deaths from smallpox vaccination; England and Wales experienced 45,800 smallpox deaths in a population that was 97% vaccinated against smallpox. Australia and Germany combined with a total of 120,000 deaths from the very smallpox for which they had been vaccinated. European deaths amongst the vaccinated portion of the population totaled 3,000,000. Deaths from smallpox vaccination programs began to decline when a revolt against mandatory vaccination programs emerged from the chaos. Within twenty years mandatory smallpox vaccination laws in England were repealed. In 1919 the death rate from smallpox promptly plummeted to a total of 28 deaths in a population of almost 40,000,000 people. Previously, with mandatory vaccinations they had averaged over 44,000 deaths from smallpox.” Vaccination History

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_history.htm

  • Lou

    No and neither do you or I. The “Vaccine Industry” does not understand how “vaccines” work either. Yes they have superficial NON-VALIDATED THEORIES. “Vaccination” is a black art that NO ONE understands. This is why honest Clinical Trials are so IMPORTANT.

    Too bad honest Clinical Trails CANNOT be done.

    “Researchers at the Mayo Clinic set out to determine whether the flu vaccine was effective in reducing the number of hospitalizations for all children and especially the ones with asthma. The study involved 263 children who were evaluated from six months to 18 years of age, each of whom had had laboratory-confirmed influenza between 1996 to 2006. The investigators determined which children had and had not received the flu vaccine, their asthma status, and who did and did not require hospitalization. Records were reviewed for each subject with influenza-related illness, for
    flu vaccination preceding the illness, and hospitalization during that illness. They found that children who had received the flu vaccine had three times he risk of hospitalization, as compared to children who had not received the vaccine. In asthmatic children, there was a significantly higher risk of hospitalization in subjects who
    received the The Influenza Vaccine, as compared to those who did not .”

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_Vaccine%20Science.htm

  • Lou

    “Coincidence, I think not. Never again!”

    Yes once some hundreds of millions of us either get seriously sick from “vaccination” or KNOW of SOMEONE who has gotten seriously sick or god forbid DIED of “vaccination” this VACCINATION PLAGUE may be over.

  • Lou

    Are you aware this “62% effective” refers to the % of “vaccinated” who successfully produce “antibodies” to the “vaccine target”?

    The 62% does NOT REFER to the % of those “vaccinated” who avoid the disease targeted against.

    “Vaccination produced antibodies” have NEVER been Clinically demonstrated to prevent disease.

    Why is it that 99% of us do not know this basic “vaccination” knowledge that the CDC has semantically set up to deceive us? Perhaps because that is what the CDC intended?

    Please think about it, if the CDC is deceiving us about this simple definition of disease “protection” WHAT the HELL else are they deceiving us on? .

  • Lou

    “There are numerous studies and there has never been any concrete
    evidence that the level of mercury present in the vaccine causes any
    harm to the human body.”

    The average “flu shot” contains 100 Billion mercury atoms.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImCpWzXJ_w&feature=PlayList&p=904C35CAD065DB81&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=77

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_mercury.htm

  • Lou

    “the vaccine takes about 2-3 weeks before it can actually start taking effect,”

    No the effects are almost instantaneous. Doctor Chopra describes the “vaccination” as being akin to a grenade being thrown into your body. White blood cells spring into action and TRY to mop up all the POISONS.

    “When you inject a non human protein, which are contained in ALL vaccines, into the human body the body goes berserk; all your systems, endocrine glands, bone marrow spin out of control. Your body begins to
    produce antigens to all the proteins in the vaccine. Your body sets up
    auto-immunity, diabetes, autism, ms and many other diseases. Nature does not permit the injection of foreign proteins into the human body or the body of any species.” Vaccine Expert Doctor Shiv Chopra

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/05/An-Expert-Explains-the-Flu-Vaccine-Deception-and-the-Swine-Flu-Hoax.aspx

  • Lou

    “Getting a shot so you don’t get sick and it ruins your health.”

    Oh if you only knew how UNIVERSALLY appreciable this is to ALL of “health care”. Obama Care will soon be MANDATING all sorts of things that will kill you sometimes slowly and imperceptibly such as “vaccines”, radiation and other “testing”.

    Folks we had better learn to do it ourselves. We have NO choice.

  • Lou

    Tuna is easily avoided.

  • Lou
  • Lou

    “Live without fear with eyes wide open. Build your immune system. That is the key. We live in a scary world, but we don’t have to live
    afraid….or angry at the party on the other side.”

    Very well said.

    When I seek to inform others who may believe in “vaccination” I am talking to myself some 30 years ago.

  • Lou

    “You don’t have to fear diseases your children have been vaccinated against.”

    Yes and you don’t not have to fear them before the “vaccination” or if your child is not “vaccinated”. FEAR and AUTHORITY are the DRIVERS for “vaccination”

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_nochange2.jpg

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_pertussis.gif

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_pertussis2.gif

    “Vaccination” is a deadly myth calculated to get the NEEDLE in our arms. What is in the syringe? Ah that is the question.

  • Lou

    Yes.

    The question is always WHAT constitutes a SMALL amount. “Vaccine” manufacturers do not have to list amounts of mercury less than one microgram; quite a harmless sounding amount. Guess how this amount of mercury is listed on the ingredients: as “an impurity”.

    One microgram of mercury contains about 4 billion mercury atoms. Do you believe 4 billion atoms of mercury should be going into your child each and every month?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImCpWzXJ_w&feature=PlayList&p=904C35CAD065DB81&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=77

  • Lou

    “Using your own logic then it could be easily argued that “Most people
    that ‘die from vaccine injuries’ did NOT die from vaccines injuries but
    from other underlying illnesses.” Feel free to point out the error in my
    logic.”

    Gladly before the age of “vaccination” most who died of “the seasonal flu”, in reality ANY viral infection, were the elderly whose immune system was failing and would soon die of ANY immune assault.

    We now have healthy babies dying of SIDS, “vaccination caused SIDS.

    “While recording breathing of a number of babies, many of
    them were vaccinated and we could see within one hour the effect of vaccination
    on the stress level in breathing on our computer printouts. This started me off
    to initiate a thorough research of vaccination issues as published in referenced
    medical journals of the likes of the Lancet, British Medical Journal, New
    England Journal of Medicine etc. and resulted in the documentation of the causal
    link between administration of a great variety of vaccines and serious reactions
    including permanent brain damage and death. Indeed, vaccination is the single
    biggest cause of SIDS.” Doctor Viera
    Scheiber PhD

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_SIDS.htm

  • Lou

    “It would be extremely rare and unusual for you to get sick from a strain not found in the vaccine.”

    NO this is incorrect and understanding WHY it is incorrect is the KEY to understanding why the “seasonal flu shot” is not and can never be the answer to “the seasonal flu”.

    Please take the considerable time to read and UNDERSTAND this treatise on “the seasonal flu”.

    “Influenza vaccines protect against infection and illness caused by the three influenza viruses in the vaccine that research indicates will be most common this season.Flu vaccines will NOT protect against infection and illness caused by other viruses that can also cause influenza-like symptoms. There are many other viruses besides influenza that can result in influenza-like illness* (ILI) that spread during the flu season.” CDC Note even this is misleading the viruses that may give you the “seasonal flu” do not have to be circulating during “flu season” they just have to be present in your body; you may have contracted them DECADES ago and your “seasonal flu” may actually be infection by SEVERAL viruses.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_flu_shot_intro.htm

  • Lou

    “It would be extremely rare and unusual for you to get sick from a strain not found in the [Seasonal Flu} vaccine.”

    NO this is incorrect and understanding WHY it is incorrect is the KEY
    to understanding why the “seasonal flu shot” is not and can never be
    the answer to “the seasonal flu”.

    Please take the considerable time to read and UNDERSTAND this treatise on “the seasonal flu”.

    “Influenza vaccines protect against infection and illness caused by
    the three influenza viruses in the vaccine that research indicates will
    be most common this season.Flu vaccines will NOT protect against
    infection and illness caused by other viruses that can also cause
    influenza-like symptoms. There are many other viruses besides influenza
    that can result in influenza-like illness* (ILI) that spread during the
    flu season.” CDC Note even this is misleading the viruses that may give
    you the “seasonal flu” do not have to be circulating during “flu
    season” they just have to be present in your body; you may have
    contracted them DECADES ago and your “seasonal flu” may actually be
    infection by SEVERAL viruses. The simple truth is “the seasonal flu” is
    in fact a VIRAL INFECTION; it could be any one of the more than 250
    human viruses or bio-weapons that can inhabit the human body. You want
    protection from ALL VIRAL INFECTION. Vitamins D and C in adequate
    amounts give this protection the “flu shot” does NOT.

    http://healthyprotocols.com/2_

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  • chrissy

    agreed. It takes true character to have an open mind. People are so blinded it’s humorous to these facilities that purposely experiment on us. Spread the word and keep the faith.

  • chrissy

    What do you honestly think their out there to help us? Do research before criticizing.

  • Deidre

    If your kids are vaccinated and you trust in vaccines, why are you afraid that your kids will get sick from unvaccinated children? Shouldn’t their vaccines keep them protected?

  • Deidre

    All the pro-vaxers are saying, “Well, science says it works so it works.” That’s all there is to it. They offer no more to the argument… I haven’t read one logical pro-vaccine fact that has made me reconsider my decision to avoid vaccines. Go ahead and get all the drugs you want pumped into your system, but if I choose not to do so, I shouldn’t be liable for a freaking witch hunt. My body, my decision. If you got your shots and believe in the vaccine, then you must believe you are protected from the diseases you think my unvaccinated self is carrying around.

  • Lou

    “Well, science says it works so it works.” That’s all there is to it.”

    IMO forget all about “the science”. We have been lied to forever. In the USSA of today EVERYTHING is being USED politically including “science”.

    How about looking at the EVIDENCE. What does this evidence show?

    http://healthyprotocols.com/image_age_5_influenza_deaths.jpg

    What is it shows me is that the wonderful “flu shot” is killing our children.

  • Mdillon

    This is a ridiculously biased article. Try putting some real fact, backed up by references, a number of peer reviewed papers, and proven articles.

    Vaccinations are for the health and safety of the public. The only reason measles and other viruses are popping up now, is because parents aren’t vaccinating either themselves or their children.
    Be smart. Keep your children safe.

    Doctors are trying to HELP you. Not harm you…..
    This “no vaccine” argument is based out of paranoia, and unreferenced opinions.
    As a med student… I really can’t beg parents enough, to rethink the “no vacc” movement. Educate yourselves thoroughly please… Not through articles like this.

  • Lou

    “The only reason measles and other viruses are popping up now, is because parents aren’t vaccinating either themselves or their children.”

    90% of Those Infected with Measles in New York Outbreak Are Vaccinated

    http://www.thedailysheeple.com/new-york-measles-outbreak-90-vaccinated_032014

    If we have a population of 100 kids with measles and 90 are
    “vaccinated” and 10 are not, given the wonderfullness of “vaccination” I
    would expect far more of the unvaccinated to catch measles something
    like 90 unvaccinated and 10 vaccinated.

    UNLESS of course “vaccination” does not prevent the target disease at all, in which case we find 90% of those with measles were “vaccinated/poisoned”.

    “Doctors are trying to HELP you. Not harm you…..”

    Well Sir if YOU want to help perhaps you may want to consider NOT becoming a Pediatrician because if you do you will be FORCED to inject children with known poisons.

  • someonewithabrain

    thedailysheeple.com is not a credible reference. Fail

  • Lou

    Well Sir perhaps you can give me some “credible” information on the twenty people recently infected with measles in NYC.

    What you will find is how many ways can I ignore the FACT that 18 out of the twenty are VACCINATED. “Vaccination” FAIL..

  • Jessica

    So most arguments on this page seem to be that well if vaccinations work so well, why are people still getting the disease and there are two reasons:

    1) People like you aren’t vaccinated nor are your children so they are getting sick with diseases we have learned to control and letting them mutate because your body isn’t able to fight it because your body HAS no immune response to it already, unlike those who have been vaccinated. Why do you think people can’t catch chicken pox a second time? Your body builds up memory B and T cells to fight against this virus so if it’s introduced into your body again, it can fight it off quicker. EXCEPT, now, because non vaccinated people are getting infected with these diseases and letting them mutate, they are becoming immune to vaccines we’ve already developed. The immune viruses can then infect anybody, even if they are already vaccinated.

    2) Vaccinations, as I’ve said, help your body store up memory B and T cells to fight against diseases. Even if you have a vaccination, the virus can still make its way into your body and if it reproduces fast enough, can make you sick. With a vaccination though, your body can fight off the disease quicker, and stop you from suffering from the worse side effects, like death.

    Also, do you know how much 25 micrograms of mercury is? 0.000025 GRAMS. Have you ever measured out a gram of something? Now try to measure out even less than that. That is how much “evil mercury” is in vaccinations. And even that has been phased out of most vaccinations!

  • Bethanie

    How how do u think that most of the argument is “if vaccinations work so well, why are people still getting the disease” did u really read this? And if there’s only a tiny bit of mercury why do we need it at all? I’ve never read a single even semi educated statement made from someone who is pro vaccine either.. But I know people that are anti vaccine that are more educated on the subject than doctors. Did u know doctors only study vaccines for a few days? Yeah seem real legitimate..

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Considering your immune system can react to adjuvants measured in ng, what is your point?

  • Jones

    Wow, mercury is scary.
    Of course MANY more people die from the flu….

    But wow, mercury is scary….

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    Really? Do you need someone to hold your hand and explain the statement to you. Put on some big boy pants and re-read her comment.

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  • Dennis Rhon

    Can I just point out that in 2009, about 1 million fetal deaths occurred. Now, if there actually was a 4250% increase from 1 million, let’s think about what that actually means. 4,250,000,000 fetal deaths? I was so hoping when I heard that statistic that the world population was 7 trillion, but no, it’s 7 billion, or 7,046,000,000. If that many babies could be born every year, we would have reached a

    Malthusian catastrophe, and I would bet on that happening in the 1800s. If that many babies died, assuming that many babies could be born, the population would be much lower that 7 billion. Since the male to female ratio is 1:1 skewed towards males, how could 3.5 billion women give birth to 4.25 billion babies? Better question, how could 4.25 babies die without the birth rate dropping to zero! I’m confident that the population grew this year, and while there are other points I could focus on, this just came out to me as mind-numbingly wrong.

  • Dennis Rhon

    Oh, big correction, I mean 42,000,000 died, not 4 billion. Fun fact, the birth rate for America was 63 per 1000 women, or 6.3 per 100, meaning 10,117,387 were actually born. I doubt we were as productive in 2013 to be able to produce 52 million babies.

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  • Faye Green

    I only had a flu vaccine once in 1995 when I was working in a daycare. I had such adverse reactions that I thought I was going to die. I went blind that lasted an hour, dizzy and couldn’t walk without stumbling and collapse, I struggled to breath my breaths were so shallow that I was starting to blackout, my muscles were tremor for no reason and it was a warm day. I was home alone, husband was at work and daughter was in grade school and the phone was in the kitchen and I was in the bedroom. I suffered in terror… That is my personal horror story. I never got a flu shot since that incident. I’d rather come down with the flu and have the body build it’s own immunity to fight the bug than get a vaccine that causes problems and health issues.

  • sam

    That’s mature. A government worker telling the people that read a certain article to go kill yourself. I’ll pray for you.

  • dave

    Okay none of those things are true. Vaccines do contain very minor levels of neurotoxic ingredients but the levels are FAR too low to cause problems. Vaccines are totally safe and quite effective. it’s better to get a shot and not get some of the debilitating diseases they protect you from.

  • dave

    about as mature as adults buying into
    this crap.

  • Scott

    “Why would we add all this crap to it if it really doesn’t work”
    The key word here folks is CRAP. Crap is added to our foods, our medicines, our health and beauty care products, even our “fresh fruits and vegetables”. It’s all a load of crap that’s makes our lives shorter and more toxic. No More Crap, No More Crap, No More Crap………….

  • Auntie vaccines
  • Helga Joubert

    My jaw dropped when I read reason #3 about narcolepsy. For the past couple of years I’ve had symptoms, and I finally went to my doctor about it two weeks ago. The most accurately that I can pinpoint when it started, now that I think about it, is about when I started my new job at a hospital. Flu vaccines are pushed hard, and if you don’t get one you have to wear a mask for four months. Last year I wore the mask, but my first year I got the damn shot.

  • Torgo

    This is total bull shit.
    You are a lying piece of crap.

  • Linda

    Meryl Dorey wants your money.
    A clinically insane woman,con artist,thief.
    Simple.

  • Hanna

    It’s Aliens! They took Meryl Dorey to Mars & showed how money could be stolen from dumb hippies.

  • tyrone

    Fuckin liar.

  • Sunshine1995

    Well you may want to take the risk but as for me and my house we are staying clear of any harmful, foreign chemicals. Your choice is your choice. Just don’t lie and state vaccines are safe and effective. I am an RN and have seen many side effects of antibodics, flu vaccines, and everyday”safe to use” medications. So don’t go and mislead anyone with your thoughts.

  • BohemianYogi

    Wow…yeah talk about this person being filled with total hatred for the human race. I can’t even imagine telling someone something so damn horrible like that….I cannot believe we live among people like YOU. It’s scary to think about.

  • Diana Lee Peery

    I received the swine flu vaccine, and since then I have had so many hormonal changes to my body. I now have hypothyroid, high cholesterol, psoriatic arthritis, and fibromyalgia. Thankfully I am now taking back my life with natural products that have already helped me to get off of my cholesterol medication, and lower my thyroid medication. My arthritis and fibromyalgia is also getting better as well. Mercury poisoning causes all of these conditions, but I found a way to get better :D

  • Joel Brothers

    Your statements are so asinine that they are laughable. You obviously know nothing about medicine. This is nothing but fear-mongering paranoia. Flu vaccines are perfectly safe for everyone, and to not get one is socially irresponsible. Without a vaccine, you are providing a vector for the virus.

  • Greta

    I doubt any government agency would ever hire a person, whose arguments begin and end with “just kill yourself”.

  • Johnithan

    Thank you, nice to see some voices of reason here.

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    You didn’t read the CDC’s Communication Director’s document, did you?

  • amcquinn

    My son was vaccine damaged and I made a promise to myself to write a book about it and so I did! http://www.thepathtocure.com

  • amcquinn

    My mother committed suicide and I find your comments outrageously hurtful and upsetting. Also my son was vaccine damaged. I lived a hellish 4.5 years where I thought he would die multiple times, his immune system was so destroyed. http://www.thepathtocure.com

  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    No worries. It’s likely “Mike” is not capable of having a rational discussion. It’s obvious from his well-parroted script and anti-social behavior displayed in his comment.

  • Julie Berry Clark

    Are you injecting this tuna? Bypassing the normal protection the body offers, such as the skin, the respiratory system and the GI tract, as well as the immune system–WBC’s and such.
    You are comparing apples to oranges. And BTW, why do they tell pregnant ladies to avoid eating tuna, but by all means get that flu vaccine?!

  • Julie Berry Clark

    I just turned 56 today. When I was a kid, there was no such thing as flu vaccines. And I never, ever had the flu. Since I’ve been an adult, and I’ve been a nurse for 31 years now, the only time I have ever had the flu, was in 2012. My granddaughter’s school (a small private school), offered “free flu vaccines”. Only a few kids got them, one in her class got the FluMist. Two weeks later, one third of the school was out sick—with the flu. Including my granddaughter. By the time we realized she had it, I had already been exposed. She missed 7 days of school, her mom missed 5 days of work and I missed 4. My only bout with flu in 54 years after being around sick people most of my adult life, I get it from a vaccine.
    Oh, guess who didn’t get the flu with us–her baby brother, who was totally unvaccinated. He was around her all the time she was sick, even got one of her snotty kleenexes and put it in his mouth.

  • Dana Browning

    awesome story. no one will believe me! thanks for sharing

  • Dana Browning

    tell that to the 4 nurses I know that are permanently paralyzed from the “mandatory” h1n1 vaccine.

  • Dana Browning

    it they are safe, why did they have to get protection from lawsuits to continue making vaccines? And why is it I almost died from a flu shot. And why is it I know many people personally who are paralyzed from a flu vaccine. I don’t care if you want to get it, even if it makes me sick when you do, but we should all have the FREEDOM of choice if we want the poison or not.
    There is more flu now with the vaccines than there ever was in the pre-fax day.
    by the way, who do you work for??

  • Dana Browning

    increase in fetal loss. aka Spontaneous Abortion. they are not counted in how many babies are born and died.

  • Dana Browning

    I am a nurse. I have been since 1996. if you think I haven’t researched you are silly. I see the affects first hand.
    I hope someday the freedom that you want to take away from others doesn’t come back around to bite you in the ass.
    someday you will have your choice taken away, and you will not like it

  • Dana Browning

    .25 mcg + .025 mg. learn math before you try to argue stupid things

  • Dana Browning

    Vit D and C work for me!
    Not to mention, I think people forget that if you get a flu vaccine, you are more likely to get any and all other circulating viruses all winter. There’s a bunch! I prefer not to kill my immune system

  • sabelmouse

    how many people , who are not compromised already, die from the flu then?

  • Francois Arseneau

    None. But they miss the thousands that die and are not recorded as caused by vaccines cause they’re so awesome. The vaccine trolls are around in full force today.

  • Francois Arseneau

    What a load of bull. You’re saying diseases pop out of the non-vaccinated like a rabbit from a magic hat. Seriously? I suppos you simply missed the fact that the MAJORITY of people getting sick from those diseases are the actually fully and multiple times vaccinated! And the non-vaccinated are laughing out loud, living healthy lives.

  • Francois Arseneau

    A lot more credible that your indoctrinated education, sponsored by big pharma. You can dismiss information all you want facts are facts. The vaccinated are always sicker.

  • Joel Brothers

    The CDC states that the flu shots are perfectly safe, and that there is no good reason for not getting one. Look up their website.

  • Joel Brothers

    The ‘4 nurses’ story cannot be verified. The ‘nurses’ in question appear not to exist. If there are people who had problems after a flu shot, it is from other medical issues unrelated to the vaccines, which are perfectly safe.

  • Joel Brothers

    The ‘CDC Communication Directors’ document is a hoax. The CDC has never put out any official statements contraindicating the flu vaccine.

  • Joel Brothers

    If you are really a nurse, then you know you cannot get the flu from the vaccine. People who get the flu after the vaccination were either already exposed, or exposed before the vaccine was able to take effect (around 10-14 days). I am skeptical, because a real nurse would not spread such disinformation. If you are a nurse, you should lose your license.

  • D.L.

    I think you should learn some math. 25 micrograms (10^-6) = 0.025 milligrams (10^-3) = 0.000025 grams.

  • Lou
  • Lou

    A CDC article concludes the more educated the parents the less “vaccines” their children get.

    Pediatricians know almost nothing about “vaccination” except for the CDC propaganda they are force fed.

  • Lou

    1) People like you aren’t vaccinated nor are your children: About 85% of most recent outbreaks of hospitalized seasonal flu, pertussis and mumps are in “VACCINATED” children.

    2) Vaccinations, as I’ve said, help your body store up memory B and T cells to fight against diseases.: Please provide me a single honest clinical trial demonstrating this. You cannot; this is MYTH. “vaccines” produce antibodies and NOTHING else; that is their testing end point. “Vaccination” produced antibodies have NEVER been demonstrated to prevent disease.

    Also, do you know how much 25 micrograms of mercury is? 0.000025 GRAMS.: Yes and do YOU know how many mercury atoms that is? 100 billion each and every atom that is constantly damaging your body.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImCpWzXJ_w&feature=PlayList&p=904C35CAD065DB81&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=77

  • TJC

    Vaccines are not 100% effective, but you ignorantly assume that means they are 0% effective. The MMR vaccine, for example, is nearly 100% effective, but there is still a slight chance it did not work for a particular child. It is prudent to avoid potentially dangerous diseases even if one has been vaccinated.

  • TJC

    This is BS. Anyone with a background in immunology knows how vaccines work. Just read the wikipedia article for starters

  • TJC

    Where do anti-vaccination people get their information? Answer: Random internet articles run by conspiracy theorists, celebrities, and snake-oil salesmen. Pro-vaccination people are on the side of thousands of scientists and scientific organizations many of whom do not have any connection to pharmaceutical companies. They use experimental evidence, observational studies, etc. with good statistics. Anti-vaccination people use anecdotal evidence, no statistics, and make scientific claims that can be proven to be factually inaccurate

  • TJC

    But they study it from credible sources. If your information isn’t credible then it’s garbage. Garbage in means garbage out. No amount of study using factually inaccurate and misleading sources is as good as brief study from a reliable sources. I suspect that people’s biases cause them to read articles that only support their preconceived notion. They may read 100s of such articles but that doesn’t mean they have done real research. I have taken PhD level courses on vaccines. I know how they work and I support them. Every medical doctor and biologist I know vaccinates themselves and their kids. It’s not a matter of being educated, but of being properly educated.

  • TJC

    It’s not a matter of simply being educated, but having specialized knowledge. Someone with a masters in English might be statistically less likely to vaccinate than someone with only a high school education, but that English degree doesn’t give him any specialized knowledge about vaccines. Ask how many immunologists, MDs, and biologists vaccinate.

  • Sadie

    What about the eradication of smallpox? Memory B and T cells are our antibodies. And for the mercury debate, if you eat deep water fish you eat mercury.

  • sadie

    I have read through lots of arguments here and would just like to put some simple facts our there for all to think about. 1 dose of flu vaccine or any other containing thimerosal ( 46% mercury=25 micrograms) is the equivalent of eating a nice piece of deep water fish or 1 8oz can of tuna. Digestion verses injection. Either way it is absorbed into the blood stream and metabolize the same way. Vaccine are injected into the muscle not the blood stream. For those that need proof that vaccines work keep in mind smallpox has been eradicated due to the aggressive world wide campaign for vaccination.

  • Jared

    “it they are safe, why did they have to get protection from lawsuits to continue making vaccines?”

    Because this is America, where people can get sued for not writing “Caution: HOT!” on a cup of coffee. It’s called CYA.

  • Jared

    For all you tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists, here’s the only video you will ever need to watch on this subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLcOz4EKrxg

  • Jared

    “But I know people that are anti vaccine that are more educated on the subject than doctors.”

    Thinking they are more educated on the subject than doctors does not mean they actually are. You just choose to believe they are because it supports your beliefs. The same way religious people “know more than scientists” about how old the Earth is.

  • Joel Brothers

    That chart has been debunked for years. It did not come from the CDC (hence, no link), but from a wacko named Mary Tocco, who got it from another wacko named Neil Miller, who writes for a lunatic-fringe website called whale.to. The figures are totally bogus and unverifiable. And the CDC has never ‘mandated’ anything. They can’t do that. Only Congress can. They didn’t even recommend that children between 6 months and 18 years old get the vaccine until 2004. Pure rubbish.

  • Bethanie

    Ok you make a point. I’ll take that back. : )
    The rest of my statement still stands.

  • Bethanie

    I would rather talk to someone that actually creates them. and someone that studies the side effects..

  • Julie Berry Clark

    I am a nurse and you can indeed get the flu from the Flumist which is a live virus vaccine just like oral polio vaccine is a live virus vaccine.
    As I said, my granddaughter, daughter and I all got it, beginning with Flumist. If you don’t believe me, a real live nurse, read the package insert.

  • Julie Berry Clark

    You’re welcome!

  • dana

    you, maam, are an idiot.

  • Carol

    For those spouting the cdc’s expertise on vaccines please note, there was just a release of the truth on how these vaccines affected our kids. They purposely deleted data from the studies because it did not support the safety position. Do I really want to trust them now? Oh wait, they will have their hands controlling the Ebola that has never touched American soil before this year but they invited that seriously nearly 100% fatal disease with open arms. I would rather trust that my ex will pay his child support in full and on time and I know that wont happen, ever.

  • Mrs. G

    If I recall the flu in 1918 that killed between 20-40 million people occurred before flu vaccines….

  • Mrs G

    Based on your other posts you are also grossly overweight which causes many of the above problems.

  • Mrs G

    Physicians also see their patientwho receive vaccines for 10-24 hours a day depending on level of training and field. Physicians (and nurses) are trained to think critically and not believe everything “fed to them”. Also educated on correlation versus causation. The strength of research is significantly different between the two.

  • Diana Lee Peery

    You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. I weighed 120 lbs. when I received this injection. From the very first day I received the injection I started to come down with symptoms of mercury poisoning. It wasn’t until 4 years later that I was finally diagnosed with it. I am now being detoxed from the mercury and am finally able to live a normal healthy life.

  • Chivepfloyd

    I wouldn’t be worried about vaccines if I were you either….I mean with diabetes on the horizon and all

  • CorCor

    Jared, I think I love you.

  • Lou

    Please present some honest clinical evidence of a “vaccine” working and killing less kids than it saves.

  • Lou

    Two loud mouths throwing balls and knocking over kids. Yeah that is what “vaccination” is all about. Or close enough for the CDC.

  • Jacob Box

    Not to mention, medical science is not subject to a court of public opinion when it comes to truth. Look up the Scopes Monkey Trial for an example of what I mean.

  • Jacob Box

    Well, I have a phD in public health, I am post doctorate in microbiology, and I read genuine scientific journals. Not really, but neither are you, no study supports what you say, and your tinfoil hat paranoia is costing people their health and in some case their life.

  • Dakota

    I find it funny how everyone on here is all “no these vaccines are perfectly safe and do not give you the sickness you are getting vaccinated for.”
    Well, for starters, a couple years ago I went and got the swine flu vaccine as my parents were worried and didn’t want me getting it. I was the only person in my family to recieve this vaccine, and one of three other people in my small school. Out of my entire town, which is small, I, and those three other people are the only ones out of our entire area to get the swine flu. I had to be quarantined for six weeks due to it, as did the others.
    The next year I recieved the flu vaccination, and again, was the only one in my family to do so, as did most of our school because it was required for some reason. Two days later, I got the flu, along with 75% of the rest of my school. They ended up cancelling school for about two weeks until at least 50% of the students could come back to class. As a side note, none of my family, or anybody that didn’t recieve the vaccination got the flu.
    Because of these experiences I will never get a flu shot again and I am 100% against them.

  • TJC

    you can find data on pubmed:
    here is an article on vaccine saftey, not sure it’s the best. Just the first I found. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/134/2/325.long

    The abstract of this article mentions the incidence rates of severe complications from measles infection (measles is an extremely contagious virus such that the infection rates would be high without vaccination).
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25015505

    This is not the best or primary article on this, but I have better things to do with my time than do research for you. Go look through http://www.pubmed.com yourself. What kind of evidence would convince you? Or is your belief that vaccines are harmful a religious one?

    The measles vaccine definitely saves more lives than it takes. Every vaccine must be evaluated separately because they all have their own risks/benefits. For example, I wouldn’t recommend the smallpox vaccine because it has some of the more serious side effects and there is very little risk of getting smallpox but it did save a lot of lives when it was used.

  • VNag

    From what I understand Flumist is an attenuated live virus. It is a “virus” that acts as a vessel to get the antigens presented to the immune system. It CANNOT CAUSE the actual flu but it can cause mild “flu-like” symptoms including runny nose, cough, congestion, myalgias.

  • Julie Berry Clark

    Well, tell that to my granddaughter’s school. She missed 7 days of school with the real flu, her momma missed 5 days of work and I missed 4 days of work. We got the flu, and a huge number of students and faculty were out with the flu.

  • Shawn Sampson

    I was unaware that Pen and Teller were experts in the field of pathology… Provide me unedited in depth studies… Not likely to find those studies when they are controlled by individuals who tend to profit from the sales of such vaccines.

  • mevans2460

    Wow I am a PhD biochemistry candidate and I must say, the level of incompetence of the people on the website is staggering…..

  • Bryce

    Without an explanation your comment is worthless.

  • jon

    its sounds like ur a little retarded too from the vaccines

  • jon

    its immunology, not pathology. hahaha, instead of me giving you papers on the subject which i could give you literally thousands, that all support vaccines. WHy dont you go talk to people who spend their lives learning about viruses and bacteria. Microbiologist, immunologist, generally any doctor. and 98 % of them will tell you how wonderful vaccines are! BC there the only ones that understand what trully a vaccine is and why it works, bc they understand the science behind it, Its called logic and reason, use it sometime

  • Lzo

    ha ha ha thats a good one!

  • PC

    Guys- don’t engage w the trolls…. It just angers them causing them to spew more lies out of desperation

  • Jaakko Määttä

    Thiomersal was removed as precauion due the doubts whether it would be harmful or not. Later the causal relationship was not established.

    The compound thimerosal is mercury, butless toxic than methylmercury (Magos et al 1985). Many studies have found methylmercury more neurotoxic than thiomersal. People are using the studies about the wrong compound to justify claims about the neurotoxicity of thiomersal. Also thimerosal is removed from body much faster (Pichichero ME, et al. Lancet 360:1737-1741 (2002))

    The neurotoxicity of mercury has not been found in lower doses. People who are allergic tomercury experience basic allergic symptons, which are not acute and definitely do not causedamage in the central nervous system.

    The studies which have used thiomersal or methylmercury study the effects of these subctances in muchhigher concentrations. For example Axton (1972) studied the effect of 1000 times the properdose of thimerosal. The smallest does found in medical literatury, which has caused the symptons of mercury poisoning is 3mg/kg of thimerosal. This is over 100 times bigger the 25 micrograms of mercury in vaccinations. In these low dose poisonings, there was no central nervous system damage observed, which would have led to autism kind of symptons. Some of the studies even examined the effect in infant (Fagan et al. 1977). The overall result was that the symptons of mercury poisoning are nothing like the ones of autism and you do not get any mercury poisonining like symptons from 100 times smaller doses.

    Dr. Gary Goldman looked in his study only 2 years period, when the statistics were present from longer period, still he decided not use them. The countries picked for the study were selected badly. He compared countries with smallest fetal death rates with the highest. Countries with higher fetal death rates were not even included! Why?

    Basically reasons 1 and 2 were incorrect.

    The narcolepsy case was unfortunate. Only people with certain genetic makeup were likely to get the disease. That particular vaccination was poorly designed and there is no reason to blame all vaccinations. Pharmaceutical companies indeed took responsibility. There was 100 millions euros of payments.

    Shed vaccine viruses can be transmitted from vaccine recipients to unvaccinated persons in rare cases. Serious illnesses have not been reported among unvaccinated persons who have been infected inadvertently with vaccine viruses.

  • will

    The only years I’ve ever had the flu are years I’ve had the vaccine. That’s enough for me. I’ll never get one again. You can tell me I’m crazy, but follow the money and you’ll see another damn good reason not to trust.

  • Wtf is dis

    This is satire, right?

  • Uncle

    I feel like my IQ dropped 10 points reading this article. At least it was a good laugh at how asinine some conspiracy theorists are. So thanks for that.

  • sandraleesucks

    Thank you. Your sources are CDC, the small print they don’t think anyone will read since the Dr. assures the patient it is “perfectly” safe. Sigh. Hand washing, good sleep, healthy and nutritious food and keeping up your vitamin D level has been PROVEN to be more effective then the toxin filled shot they hand out.

  • Jamie

    I thought we were talking about a basic flu vaccine. I don’t get the yearly flue vaccine ’cause I don’t like unnecessary shots. P&T are talking about far more serious diseases that kill/mame even if you’re relatively strong. So, I don’t see how the video you reference applies to these particular brands of tin-foil hat. Cute video, though. I like P&T.

  • MamaKnowsBest

    “As in previous reports, the June 15, 2014, report covering a 3-month period shows that the flu vaccine is the most dangerous vaccine in America.”

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/government-pays-damages-to-vaccine-victims-flu-shot-most-dangerous-with-gbs-and-death-settlements/

    Joel, just Google, “4 nurses are permanently paralyzed from the “mandatory” h1n1 vaccine” and you will see everything you’re denying is true!

  • MamaKnowsBest

    Wow, do you need a saucer of milk or what? Nothing like personally attacking a person over their weight to make you feel snarky and satisfied? You must be a liberal, that’s the way they handle everything.

  • Josh

    Well when people listen to a blogger, instead of listening to their doctor/pharmacist who has a doctorate, what do you expect? Just here for laughs!

  • Hipster Benefits

    LOL

  • sheri

    I got my vaccine thursday and by bedtime i was sicker than I’ve ever been. I’ve missed work and been in bed all weekend. I’ve been through cancer. Chemo was easier than this. I’ll never ever do this again. These things should be banned. And i have a damn good reason.

  • Ashley

    Wow. This was a joke right? This article as no basis is science whatsoever. The Piers Morgan bit had me rolling though…”Did the flu vaccine cause him to get the flu? You can decide for yourself on this one.” dun dun duuuun!!

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  • tom thumb

    Good then go get a shot and stop complaining no one cares about your science or opinion for that matter.

  • tom thumb

    No it just proves you are Livestock and a Test Dope.

  • tom thumb

    Prove who you are first…

  • tom thumb

    Umm ya brought to you from the same people who said ” If you like your plan you can keep your plan “

  • Ashley

    Of course I already received my flu vaccine. I owe it to patients and my family to do so. This spreading of fear mongering will be the demise of our society. When people listen to this bs who do not have the scientific knowledge to make informed and rational decisions,

  • Ashley

    …we will see mortality from vaccine preventable illness skyrocket.

  • Uncle

    Wow Tom, you really no how to counter an argument. “No one cares!!! My momma told me it’s bad!!”.

    What are we, twelve?

  • Uncle

    O nice comeback! Instead of arguing with a basis of factual evidence you resort to saying I am livestock. Your debate skills are impressive.

  • Uncle

    If this is true then I am sorry this happened to you. However, one should not make light of cancer and chemo (not saying you did not have to endure this). As someone who has lost his father to cancer, I saw the toll the chemotherapy really does to the body and to compare it to being bedridden for a weekend is idiotic and completely rude.

  • TheTruthForFree

    There are no conspiracy theories whatsoever on taking flu shots. You take them at your own risks. Some of you people have got to be the dumbest or the dumb, or are you bought and paid off? Your ridiculous abilities to simply condemn after investigation hurts your inoculated consciousness. Especially, when it comes to the dissection of facts. Honestly, you’re the very people who’re are holding our society back because of your dilapidated sense and reliance on American medicines. (I read this comment below and LMAO, unbelievable). You will never, ever get the flu through a healthy diet (No GMO’s, No chemicals, no pesticides). I’m living proof. Sometimes the truth is hard to get out because these companies hide the proper knowledge to know this. The author presents evidence that is very simple and straight forward. But yet this is a conspiracy theory? For some of you still stuck in your little lock boxes, I’ve got news for you, the flu shot is not biologically compatible with your bodies DNA and therefore causes nothing but problems down the road (diseases, cancers, etc) . Especially with Mercury or Thermisol. Thermisol is simply a term used to hide Mercury for all of you genius’s. If you still need even more proof on how damaging Mercury is to your bodies functionality, watch the Gerson Miracle on YouTube. It’s free. They go into great detail. After that, if you feel that heavy metals and toxins are good for your bodies to contain immunity, then you simply have no hope. I’m cringing right now.

  • Try Facts

    Actually, Julia is 100% correct that Flumist can indeed cause the spread of the flu. It is a documented fact that Flumist causes the vaccinated person to “shed” the virus, making it entirely possible that a Flumist vaccinated individual can spread the flu, especially with close contact with an individual with a potentially already weakened immune system. (We all know kiddos at daycare are usually teaming with other types of sicknesses, making just one kiddo there the recipient of the “watered down” shedding virus from the Flumist, then the virus is in full raging effect. Some of y’all are just ignorant and should try reading factual data before knocking Julia and some of the others who do know what they are talking about. But, hey, it’s easier to call names and make fun of folks than it is to be intelligent and find out facts, right?

  • . . .

    I bet you’re one of the hypocritical dicks that will turn right around and berate someone for believing everything they read on the internet.

  • . . .

    IN SOME PLACES SCHOOLS REQUIRE THEM? That’s complete bullshit and unnecessary maybe they should think better before they infect every child in the town with the flu. It’d be absolutely hilarious if they do that again. *sarcasm*

  • tina

    I’ve also taken the “healthy diet” route over the past several years, by mainly avoiding ingesting items with sugar during the “flu-season”. I believe in doing this, it has kept my immune system healthier to not develop or at least fight cold-symptoms better & faster. Of course I find it interesting that “flu-season” starts during the month of Halloween, then continues through Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years… and even Valentines Day. (Candy, Cookies, Cake & Pie Holidays) The last time I got the flu, was in late April, when I was suffering from the hayfever season (another season I stay away from sugar), and my immune system was already down, and I got it from co-workers that had the same symptoms, but were baffled that they got sick even when they got the flu shot during flu season. :(

  • . . .

    I, as well, was holding onto life by a string after getting the nasal flu shot in late 2010 and in early 2011 I happened to get Influenza A, influenza B, and strep throat all at the same time. There was the very real possibility to hospitalize me due to my condition but instead the doctor didn’t want us to waste money on my stay there so I was put in strict quarantine in my room for nearly two weeks. Anyone who came in my room had to wear a mask and gloves. It was very serious and awful not to mention at the middle of the second week my grandpa passed away. Afterwards I became depressed and I didn’t care about myself enough to bother to get the vaccine and
    surprise surprise
    I haven’t gotten the flu since.

  • . . .

    It is not skewered to males. If anything it’s skewered to females since females live longer.

  • Virojakal

    “Thiomersal was removed as precauion due the doubts whether it would be harmful or not.”

    Actually …..

    Do the 2014-2015 seasonal flu vaccines contain thimerosal?

    Since seasonal influenza vaccine is produced in large quantities for
    annual vaccination campaigns, some of the vaccine is produced in
    multi-dose vials, and contains thimerosal to safeguard against possible
    contamination of the vial once it is opened.

    The single-dose units
    are made without thimerosal as a preservative because they are intended
    to be opened and used only once. Additionally, the live-attenuated
    version of the vaccine (the nasal spray vaccine), is produced in
    single-dose units and does not contain thimerosal.

    Source: cdc.gov

    Let’s not forget you said this

    “The neurotoxicity of mercury has not been found in lower doses.”

    Actually……

    Thimerosal, an organomercurial added as a preservative to some vaccines,
    is a suspected iatrogenic factor, possibly contributing to paediatric
    neurodevelopmental disorders including autism. We examined the effects
    of early postnatal administration of thimerosal (four i.m. injections,
    12 or 240 μg THIM-Hg/kg, on postnatal days 7, 9, 11 and 15) on brain
    pathology in Wistar rats. Numerous neuropathological changes were
    observed in young adult rats which were treated postnatally with
    thimerosal. They included: ischaemic degeneration of neurons and “dark”
    neurons in the prefrontal and temporal cortex, the hippocampus and the
    cerebellum, pathological changes of the blood vessels in the temporal
    cortex, diminished synaptophysin reaction in the hippocampus, atrophy of
    astroglia in the hippocampus and cerebellum, and positive caspase-3
    reaction in Bergmann astroglia. These findings document neurotoxic
    effects of thimerosal, at doses equivalent to those used in infant
    vaccines or higher, in developing rat brain, suggesting likely
    involvement of this mercurial in neurodevelopmental disorders.

    Source: US National Library of Medicine
    National Institutes of Health

  • Jill

    This is the stupidest article I have ever read. Clearly you have never taken a microbiology course before, you have obvious paranoia issues if you think the CDC or the media is out to destroy us all, and by the way, the influenza killls upwards of 25000 people each year.

  • Ostracized Healthcare Worker

    It’s amazing to me that in all the responses I read, and it is a full page, at least 25 or 30, no one discusses the interests of the pharmaceutical companies. These companies are making millions or maybe billions of dollars off these flu shots every year. They have freely admitted that they take a guess at the flu strains every year and their guess is sometimes incorrect. Does anyone remember that the flu shot has been available for many, many years but they weren’t pushed so vigorously as they are today. Maybe the pharmaceutical companies are just trying to find another way to make more and more money. I work in a major US hospital setting. Luckily I am in the lab, and because I do not have any patient contact, I am not being “forced” to have a flu shot. But it is “highly encouraged” and if I did have direct patient contact I would be “forced” or risk being relocated to a “non patient contact” area. I understand the need for a health care worker who works with newborn babies or immune compromised cancer patients to assist in protecting these individuals but I shouldn’t be “shamed” into complying. If I was in one of the areas I would be happy to comply. Those who have the flu vaccine receive a green badge indicating that they are helping to protect patients while, if I refuse, I will get my red badge of shame that tells everyone that I’m non-compliant and a “bad” person. If I go into the main hospital I have to wear a mask due to my “bad” person status. It is quite ridiculous. I have to go to “flu school” every year if I don’t get my flu shot. I feel like a child being reprimanded. It sounds like a conspiracy theory view but I think we are being brainwashed by the pharmaceutical companies that we can’t live without the flu shot and as the “sheeps” of society play into it they rack up the bucks!!!

  • disqus_tJ1ItcnMRC

    ..still waiting.. China has mandatory vaccinations and has 98% vaccine coverage yet still has outbreaks of so-called vaccine preventable diseases. Get over it. Are you serious with calling non-vaxers “fear mongers”. Read the definition of IRONIC.

  • Travis

    I have taken microbiology before and I’ll tell you now that a man made version of a virus that has adapted and mutated several times since it was recreated in a lab does nothing to improve immunity. Especially if injected directly into the tissue. And btw, the CDC is part of the Dept.of Navy so using fear tactics shouldn’t be that far fetched

  • http://drharveychiropractic.com Chris Davis DC

    I publicly challenge you to ingest any form of mercury on video. I pay for it.

  • http://drharveychiropractic.com Chris Davis DC

    That goes for every other troll who blabs and regurgitates false propaganda, BTW.

  • Ray

    Please tell me more! How did you learn of this conspiracy?

  • DidNotVoteForObama

    You dont have to be educated to know its all about money.

  • DidNotVoteForObama

    you work for them don’t you

  • DidNotVoteForObama

    thank you! well said

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  • kiki

    And you “Dana” are a paid pharmaceutical SHILL.

  • kiki

    “Jon” aka Paid Pharmaceutical Shill. ^^

  • Guest

    Does anyone here really believe that pharma and the CDC is unaware that the flumist sheds the virus? Of-course they know, and that’s exactly how they make mo’money! If you doubt my words, you are suffering from cognitive dissonance and unfortunately for you… there isnt a vaccine for that -YET.

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  • kiki
  • kiki

    The CDC is in the pharmaceutical giants pockets, now why the HELL would anyone other than one of their own be stupid enough to go to them for reassurance? lol get real.

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  • kiki

    Keep it classy Mrs G, keep it classy.

  • kiki
  • Guest

    The pharmaceutical companies are notorious for hiring internet trolls to hunt for anti-vax articles on the web and promote them. Im sure this post has been infiltrated.

    Just rented/watched this tonight. Really very good! I am MAD, and you should be too!

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  • kiki

    The pharmaceutical companies are notorious for hiring internet trolls to
    hunt for anti-vax articles on the web and promote them. Im sure this
    post has been infiltrated.

  • kiki

    “I work for the Government…. PLEASE GO KILL YOURSELF”
    Nuff said.

  • kiki

    He works for the government and he likes their products! LOL!!! Shocker.

  • kiki

    Uh, no most would.

  • kiki

    The pharmaceutical companies are notorious for hiring internet trolls
    to hunt for anti-vax articles on the web and promote them. Im sure this
    post has been infiltrated.

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  • kiki

    WRONG. There were only between 600 and 750 influenza deaths recorded annually between 1995 and 1997.
    The most influenza deaths recorded in a single year since 1979 was
    about 2,900 deaths and that was in 2009, the H1N1 swine flu pandemic
    year!

    The first experimental influenza vaccines were given to soldiers in
    World War II. It wasn’t until the 1957-58 and 1968-69 influenza
    pandemics that the vaccine was marketed to civilians.
    Between 1970 and 2000, the trivalent influenza vaccine containing two
    strains of type A influenza and one strain of type B influenza was
    primarily recommended for the elderly. That is because respiratory
    infections, especially with pneumonia complications, have always been a
    leading cause of death for people at the end of their life span.

    There was only one deadly influenza pandemic in the last 100 years
    that killed the young and healthy in great numbers and that was the 1918
    Spanish Flu. It turns out that bacterial pneumonia is what killed most
    people, young or old, in the 1918 pandemic. Today, antibiotics would
    have prevented most of those deaths.

    The CDC has been telling the public for nearly a decade that there
    are more than 200,000 estimated hospitalizations and 36,000 estimated
    deaths from influenza in the U.S. every year. But are those figures accurate? Well, it all depends upon use of the word “estimate.” The U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality reported that, in 2004, there were about 37,000 Americans hospitalized for either influenza or another illness in addition to influenza, and patients over age 85 were twice as likely to die. That is because what CDC employees did to come up with their influenza hospitalization “estimate” was to count a lot of people hospitalized between 1979 and 2001 – not just with influenza but also with pneumonia, respiratory and circulatory illnesses – which they counted as probably associated with influenza. Shocking… I know.

    And they got away with it.

    In 2003, CDC employees also used a convoluted statistical modeling
    scheme to “estimate” that 36,000 people die from influenza in the U.S.
    every year. Again, they counted not just influenza death cases but also
    threw in other respiratory, circulatory, cardiac and pulmonary deaths
    they thought MIGHT have been associated with influenza.

    And they got away with it.

  • notanidiot

    The level of BS in this article is neurotoxic

  • Mike Amerine

    Perhaps you should attempt to read the statement, particularly the part that said “I’ve been through cancer. Chemo was easier than this.” I know, it’s nice to play the “offended” card, but there was nothing in her statement that wasn’t a direct testament to personal experience. Now, on the other hand, you calling her “idiotic and completely rude” did depart (by a wide margin) from a personal account of facts – and actually made you a hypocrite.

  • Mike Amerine

    Where was the “factual evidence” in either of your statement? Stop attacking people all over this thread, sir. You have absolutely no basis on which to throw stones…

  • Mike Amerine

    To be fair, that’s sort of like saying you should reference a lawyer to find out how important lawyers are or a psychologist to find out the many benefits of therapy. When someone’s job depends on a particular opinion, expecting un-opinionated discussions from them is a bit weak. There are still thousands of scientists that believe the Earth is warming up due to man’s activities and millions that believe in Evolution . . . you have to consider the source…

  • Acctg4U

    I do not condone “Uncle’s” personal attack. However, if society believes the effects of a flu shot can be equivalent (nonetheless greater) than that of pure poison (on purpose) of radiation and chemotherapy, we have bigger issues.

    Also, who are you to say Uncle did not experience what he claims whereas the original poster did. Speaking of hypocrisy?

  • Acctg4U

    Didn’t you just call someone a hypocrite? So you attack people then say stop attacking people…ironic.

  • Mike Amerine

    Perhaps you should take up critical reading as a hobby. She specifically stated that she had gone through it – missed by him. He specifically stated that he lost his father and “saw the toll.” So, to answer your question, HE said he did not experience cancer firsthand (himself on the chemotherapy), it was not an assumption on my part.

    Additionally, the hypocrisy I was referring to was him calling someone “completely rude” while being completely rude.

    As far as your third statement, it is non sequitur – something that I’m not surprised by given your apparent need to attack me both here and elsewhere.

  • Mike Amerine

    If you want an “attack”, I can give you one. But if you believe it is an attack to ask someone to back up an attack with even a single, solitary statement of fact – my statements about your capability are wasted – they are self-evident.

    Perhaps you should look up both “Hypocrite” and “ironic” in the dictionary – you appear to have very little understanding of either.

  • Acctg4U

    Once again, didn’t you just say don’t attack people?

    By the way, I searched through this and I see that you haven’t added anything to the article subject matter. You are what the internet calls a successful troll.

    The obvious giveaway is that you call out Uncle however you have no mention of the reply by Tom Thumb who calls him “Livestock” and “Test Dope”. A brief search through the article shows this Tom Thumb repeatedly degrading posters who are expressing their opinion, yet you focus on a single individual. This is a double standard in its own right.

  • Mike Amerine

    …and, once again, you misuse both words. There is no onus on me to search through the entire series of statements and defend people that are under attack. I have not attacked a single person so there’s no irony or hypocrisy. Your attempts to label me a troll for asking someone to cite a single reference for their attacks on this author and those that agree with the author are also very indicative of someone that doesn’t understand that word either. The only troll-like behavior going on here is yours. Enough ridiculous drivel. Go bother someone else.

  • Ray

    Yes, it’s funny you always here that “fox hires people to comment on the internet” or “pharmaceutical companies hire people to comment on the internet” or whatever, but you never meet any of these people in real life. This is because it’s BS, like most of your posts. Sure, these companies do act in certain bad ways, but it’s an effect, not the cause. No one is at the helm trying to fool everyone, they end up prioritizing the stockholders, which often means bad things for customers and employees, like any big company.

  • InfluGuy

    I worked with the influenza virus as an EMT during the pandemic in 2009, and in a research laboratory several years later. The metabolite of thimerasol, ethyl mercury, is concerning, but much less so than the horrific infection that came before its use in the MMR vaccine. Thimerasol free options do exist. Second, people only shed virus from live attenuated vaccines, other options exist. Live attenuated options offer the level of protection however. You can develop flu like symptoms from the vaccine, as is the case with live vaccines, they are live replicating virus designed to elicit an immune response without causing the full disease. It may not be pleasant, but it doesn’t happen to everybody. Scientists don’t guess. At the end of every flu season trends emerge as to which variants will emerge the following year. The problem is in picking strains that can change or be selected against in a short amount of time. Example, 9 red marbles and 1 blue marble in a hat, you pick a red marble, but then that marble turns green. Influenza. BUT! The less marbles you have, sick people, the less likely the red will turn green. I will end on this, although the points made in this article aren’t completely false, the bigger picture is missed. I generated hundreds of mutant influenza strains and I can tell you the possibility of a highly lethal strain is more than possible. Reducing the number of infected will slow this down. Not getting vaccinated puts others at risk, immunocompromised and the elderly. If you had the chance to get vaccinated, didn’t, and infected another individual who died, wouldn’t you feel terrible? Ignorance is bliss. The point is, options exist for every concern listed. Keep an open mind, be aware of half truths. This is a complicated topic, but try to think of how your actions influence others.

  • Katiah Michele Peterson

    What also is not being mentioned is the fact that every time they create a new strain for the vaccine they are basically forcing influenza to mutate and become stronger. Viruses do not go away, they just learn how to adapt in different forms. Same goes for people who think so highly of antibiotics…all you’re doing is forcing viruses and infections to work harder and take on different forms in order to infiltrate your system.

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  • http://vactruth.com Jeffry John Aufderheide

    Interesting – so are you saying those who vaccinate do not get infected?

  • 05Stang

    I worked for a hospital (in administration) where an annual flu shot administered by them was a requirement to being and staying employed. That was kind of creepy. Other than that the only times I’ve had the flu was when I didnt get vaccinated.

  • Lobo

    That is not true, if you do your own research , most diseases irradicate themselves after they run there course.
    Polio cases started to increase again when the vaccine came out , it was a live vaccine and from 1955 to 1963 the polio vaccine was contaminated with a non-human virus ((sv40) from monkeys that is showing up in cancers that are removed from people today.

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  • Jaakko Määttä

    You are calling me a troll, when i’m presenting science based evidence. Tuna contains mercury 0,32 parts per million.

  • http://drharveychiropractic.com Chris Davis DC

    This is what you come back with? I am sure it silences the average person, but
    I am not that. It depends on where the
    Tuna was caught, how it is packaged (canned is worse) and how much pollution from
    industrial dumping is going on in the area.

    First, let’s be clear that you are officially declining my
    challenge. Second, simply claiming “science
    based evidence” does not make it so—especially when you misdirect and your
    misdirection has no relevance to context. Most of medicine is not actually “science
    based” or proven. Especially vaccines
    where the drug companies making and selling the drugs are doing the “studies”. I’ll play your little sleight of hand
    game: Are you actually suggesting that
    tuna is somehow beneficial and healthy?
    It’s really not. They recommend eating
    it in moderation. They don’t even recommend you feed it to your cat because it
    lacks certain nutritional value. But,
    hey, let’s assume you are not aware of that and believe it is good for you.
    Fine, except for one little problem. I don’t believe that ingesting tuna causes
    a breach in the blood-brain barrier and can cross it. Scientifically speaking, injecting vaccines
    can cross it, not to mention the fact that vaccines are also given to infants
    BEFORE the development of the blood brain barrier is complete. Therefore, applying deductive reasoning to
    your attempted rebuttal (deceptive misdirection) leaves us with this—if you are
    implying that tuna has more mercury than vaccines and is somehow “safer”, then
    I have a second challenge for you to publicly be the first human to INJECT canned
    tuna into your body and see what happens.
    I predict that you will decline that challenge as well. Frankly, it is ludicrous to even attempt to
    compare a sandwich that someone may or may not eat and dispose of occasionally to
    an assault and battery of 30 or 40 injections or more (plus flu shots every
    year) before an innocent child is 5 or 6 years old, prior to complete maturation
    of their natural immune system which those injections surpass, weaken and
    damage, setting them up for adverse reactions, chronic illness, lifetime
    dependence and even death. Before you
    try use the old, “I was vaccinated as child, and I am ok” response, recall that
    when we were young, there were only a couple of vaccines (and actual disease incidence
    and prevalence), and there is no scientific evidence proving that you had or
    have no adverse effects from those injections.
    Recently, the recommended vaccine schedule was 26 doses of 9 vaccines by
    the ­ first birthday, 48 doses of 14 vaccines by age 6, and a total of 70 doses
    of 16 vaccines by age 18. And now
    consider this: one vaccine injected into a 13-pound, two-month old infant is
    equivalent to 10 doses of the same in a 130-pound adult. Where is the common
    sense in these guidelines? Would any
    adult concede to being injected with 360 doses of vaccines within a couple of
    years’ span; equal to one injection every other day for two years? And this
    data is more than five years old. Now they have trivalent and pentavalent
    multiple dose/disease vaccines given in a single visit! It is estimated that drug companies have as
    many as 200 new vaccines in development!
    The complete vaccine schedule has not been studied for safety nor have
    all the various possible combinations of vaccines that might be administered on
    a single day. Iatrogenesis (look it up) is the third leading cause of death in
    the world with over a quarter million casualties each year (conservative
    estimate). Adverse effects and chronic illnesses
    far surpass that figure. These numbers are comparable to moderate war injuries
    and casualties. So much for your
    scientific “evidence”. Math does not
    lie. Adolf Hitler said that if you
    repeat a lie enough times and long enough that people would begin to believe it,
    and that you will also believe it yourself.
    Stop regurgitating lies and propaganda.
    If people research and choose to stay away from potentially deadly
    pills, potions, lotions and injections, who are you to try to persuade them
    otherwise? Why should you care? Unless
    you are a troll? I presume that you also
    believe that you evolved from a monkey?
    Hint: you did not; however, you do appear to think like one. The safest
    way to avoid heavy metal toxicity is simple abstinence, which of course may
    include not eating a lot of tuna (LOL); and, most definitely includes not willingly
    being subjected to multiple injections in the name of “science”, or “medicine”
    and all the associated gods therewith.
    Mercury (no pun intended) aside, you have a mountain of defense to
    prepare in promoting vaccines. There is
    a plethora of ingredients that should never be injected into a human body—most especially
    a child. I will only name a few for the sake of space but the readers will get
    the general idea and begin to thoroughly research these modern day witches
    brews on their own. Aluminum. Formaldehyde.
    Chicken cells. Monkey cells. Cow cells.
    Aborted human fetus cells (that’s reason enough for me,
    personally!). Acids. Industrial cleaners. Cancer.
    The list goes on and on. So,
    either do some real “scientific” research and seek the truth so that it can set
    you free; or, as I challenged initially, do us all a favor and go drink some
    mercury because you are breathing our valuable and precious oxygen. Whatever you do, stop misleading people
    because it is dangerous and harmful and you will be held accountable for it one
    day. If you choose to remain ignorant, blind,
    deaf and stubborn, then so be it; but no longer consider future procreation at
    the very least. How do I know all of this about you? Discernment. And, please do not waste my time
    with snide little remarks and misdirection.
    In fact, my statement can be considered rhetorical.

    Readers: here a just
    two links to consider…the rest is up to you and your consciences.

    http://www.greatergoodmovie.org/TGG/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/GGFAQ.pdf

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/04/01/the-dangers-of-excessive-childhood-vaccinations.aspx

  • Tony Mahony

    “but you never meet any of these people in real life”

    You can’t be serious.

  • LC

    What are you talking about, the article links to the CDC itself for these studies and quotes it references.

  • Michelle Sorenson

    EVERYONE I know that has been immunized so far this year has gotten the flu. This happens every year, to everyone I know and work with. I decline for religious reasons and I don’t get sick. I sanitize my work station, I request that my sick coworkers stay the hell away from me when they come to work sick…and they do because they don’t want to waste their PTO time on being sick. The one and only time I was vaccinated I got sick and vowed then and there I would never do it again. Natural selection is going to get us all any way, so you vaccinate against the flu but you get cancer or you get hit by a bus or you have a heart-attack. Life is a fatal disease, I’ll take my chances my way and not with big pharmaceuticals and doctor/hospital kick backs. Trust yourselves, you know your body better than anyone else and don’t let the government tell you different.

  • Michelle Sorenson

    My brother-in-law is a retired Navy medic and still works in the private sector for them and he pushes extremely hard for us to be vaccinated every year. I think if he could he would ”forcibly” inject me. HOWEVER, big man gets vaccinated every year and gets sick a day or two later and then gets sick later in the season again so how’s that really working out for him? Last I check it was my body and my right to choose, if we can use it for Roe v. Wade it applies across the board. PROVE it works on all strains 100% of the time, you can’t.

  • Michelle Sorenson

    I too work for a major US hospital but I work in non-patient care and in the last 3 years it’s gone from encouraging you to get a shot to demanding you get one or risk being moved, let go or put on non-paid leave for 8-12 weeks. If you refuse for religious reasons as I do, then you have to get 2 supervisors approvals and an approval from HR and if any of them refuse then you are back to get the shot or loose your job, even though the mandate says “for those in direct contact with patients….” I state again I do not have patient contact, I answer the phone and do data entry, but this year my job is at stake, I just got the paperwork two hours ago. I love my job but not enough to compromise my beliefs, so now it’s a waiting game.

  • TJC

    Perhaps you haven’t got the flu because you were genetically blessed or just lucky. You are making a whole lot of assumptions off of just your own individual experience. By your logic I’ve never been in a plane crash so therefore planes never crash. I’ve never been in a gang shootout so I guess those don’t happen either. I’ve never been ticketed for speeding (though I commonly drive over the speed limit) so I guess no one ever gets tickets for speeding.

    Eating healthy makes a big difference, but it won’t make everyone 100% resistant. The flu and many other infectious diseases have been around long before GMOs and modern industrial farming. Or do you think infectious disease is just some product of the industrial revolution? Your comment makes no sense and shows a complete lack of understanding of both history and science.

    There is no secret that mercury is in Thimerosal. It is not elemental mercury, but a mercury compound, and like all compounds it is given a name. Calling it “mercury” would be inaccurate because that would imply that it was elemental mercury. It’s mercury content wasn’t hidden. That’s just how we name things. Water is H2O, we don’t call water oxygen, because it happens to contain oxygen. Likewise we don’t call your car “iron” because it happens to have iron in it, we call it a car.

    And I have no idea what you are talking about when you claim the flu shot is “not biologically compatible with our DNA.” What does that even mean? Is it doing something to our DNA? Either you are repeating something you heard and didn’t understand, or are just talking gibberish. You can’t string random sciencey sounding words together and think you are making an intelligible point. I have a degree in molecular biology and can easily spot such BS.

  • TJC

    That’s exactly the problem. None of you guys care about what science, data, logic, or experts say. You have already made up your minds and nothing is going to change that. Not sure why you even bother to read such articles or comment on them. I guess you just like reaffirming your own preconceived beliefs.

  • TJC

    this is an anti-vax myth. There is plenty of evidence that vaccines work and diseases almost never just burn themselves out of existence.

  • TJC

    Proven? site your source. All those things are very important for preventing disease, but most vaccines are even more effective (but only for the specific strains of virus being vaccinated against). For overall health, sleep, vitamin D, etc is important.

  • PhD if it makes a difference

    Check out TJCs comment history. Seriously. Anyone who just read the comment above. This person definitely works for the NIH. Or they’re just really annoyingly sheepy and should work for the NIH. Honestly I can’t tell, but just check it out. Please.

  • Dave

    I never have taken any flu shots. I am not a “United States of Idiots” sheep. If you want it, take all of mine and make Big Business happy.

  • Dave

    More Bull Shit in comments for Big business and fear tactics.

  • Carrie B.

    I was coerced into getting a flu shot several years ago because my doctor tried to
    convince me that I would die from an asthma attack if I didn’t do it. Within 24
    hours I had the most horrible flu symptoms and other things happening to my
    body. I was frightened and thought maybe I would die from that shot! Then I
    started to research what’s in it and feel like such a dope falling for that
    fear tactic. Preventing the flu is much, much more effective with diet,
    exercise and just overall good lifestyle choices. And, even if you do get sick
    while being consistently (and genuinely) healthy, it isn’t as debilitating and
    long lasting. As I type this they have a nurse here at work and want 100
    percent flu shot participation. They will spend the next several weeks making
    those who refused feel like rebels and will push us to at least go to Walgreens
    to get a shot. I had an extremely bad reaction! Why are you pushing me just so
    the company can brag that it has 100 percent participation?! My work say that the only effective ways to combat the flu are by getting the shot and washing your hands. Huh?! By the way, I work in a toxicology department, and almost everyone who gets the shot gets the flu…while I’m at work every single day. I really wish people would start to think for themselves and use wisdom.

  • Carrie B.

    Oh….c’mon. Seriously? You’re going to put that on us non-vaccinated? If theses vaccines are effective then why would we be infecting others? Shouldn’t their vaccine save them? I got the flu – horrible, debilitating flu 24 hours after a vaccine. I’ve never been so sick in my life except directly after a flu shot. I’ve also had other toxicity issues right after the shot. People need to be supporting and healing their immune systems (I have) instead of putting chemicals in their bodies. Even the CDC says that many who get the flu vaccine do not need it. They claim it’s for elderly and those with compromised immune systems, not merely everyone living in fear. I had an open mind. I listened to fear. And I thought I’d seriously die after I made that mistake of getting the shot. People need to think for themselves, be thoroughly educated on the issue, and then decide if they want a shot without coercion or fear tactics. Do the benefits really outweigh the risks?

  • Carrie B.

    Very well said. I work in Toxicology and learn a lot about chemicals and toxins. It is known that these things are not good for the body. And I see lawsuits come through all the time for chemical exposures (we are litigation). The general public won’t see this because the person (or their family because the plaintiff died as the result of toxic exposure) will sign paperwork saying they will not speak up after the settlement. They’ll get their money, their loved one is dead, and they are forbidden to speak up or else be sued. Back in the day when people were speaking up about the health dangers of smoking, big industry and ignorant people raised a ruckus about that being a conspiracy theory too. Then they made smoking “healthier” by putting asbestos in the filters. Really? We are that stupid in America. And then when wise people speak up they are seen as crazy and given to conspiracy theories. I, too, have completely changed my lifestyle with genuinely healthy foods and more exercise; and my immune system takes care of my needs. Not toxins injected into my body. I do not have good genetics. I’ve suffered with debilitating allergies, asthma, constant colds in the past, and now terminal cancer. It is not about genetics! Even with terminal cancer I have way outlived my death sentence from the doctor and am getting healthier. I work full-time and enjoy 25+ mile bike rides and walk/exercise daily. I don’t get germ freaky and go about my healthy, busy life without limitations. People without my health concerns can’t even keep up with me and are sick all the time. It’s how you take care of your body that matters most. If you have poor genetics (like me), it will just take a little more discipline than someone with better genetics; but it’s not impossible to take control of your health naturally once you learn how to do it and be consistent. I’m tired of being pushed to get vaccinated when I don’t need it and after the fact that I had a pretty severe reaction to it.

  • TJC

    I used to study virology as an academic researcher. I personally know some and have met others who work for the NIH, pharmaceutical companies, and universities. These people I refer to are not directors of business leaders but hard working scientists and I don’t believe any of them would willingly be part of some grand conspiracy to make people sick (certainly not all of them).

    On the topic of vaccine safety I would think those working for the NIH would provide valuable expert opinion. Certainly better than internet bloggers with little scientific understanding. So yes I would be willing to work for the NIH and I don’t see anything wrong with that.

    I like to occasionally comment on news stories. Especially ones that show up on my facebook newsfeed. I’ve commented here so extensively because Discuss notifies me when others respond to my comments and though this article is rather old it still seems to garner a lot of responses.

    One does not need a PhD to understand vaccines, but clearly a lot of people on here don’t know the first thing about biology. They have made a good attempt to self-educate, but without having a framework from which to distinguish reliable from unreliable information they end up with a lot of misconceptions and end up believing in a lot of myths concerning biology. Before diving into the complexities of vaccinology it would do all of you a lot of good to actually study some basic biology so you had a good working foundational knowledge of how the cell works, what viruses are, and how the immune system responds to them. So apparently a PhD does make a difference.

    One last thing, going back to my point about not knowing where to get reliable information. Why do you assume the NIH to be unreliable but vactruth to be reliable? Perhaps you should approach vactruth with the same level of skepticism as you approach mainstream science.