8 Damn Good Reasons Not to Get the Flu Shot

Every year the mainstream media war drum beats for you to get vaccinated against the flu. They rarely discuss anything but the benefits of the vaccine.


Maybe it is because many people are already skeptical about the flu vaccine.

I’m going to be very up front with you here. You rarely hear about the adverse reactions or about the toxic chemicals being injected into you. My goal is to get you to investigate vaccines more closely. Here are eight reasons to question the flu shot.

Let’s begin…


A common urban myth is that the mercury has been taken out of vaccines. This is not true.

Several of the flu vaccines contain a neurotoxic ingredient called thimerosal (mercury). Each one of the flu vaccines listed below contains 25 micrograms of mercury. [1] The vaccines are:

  • Afluria CSL (Limited for Merck)
  • FluLaval (GlaxoSmithKline)
  • Fluvirin (Novartis)
  • Fluzone (Sanofi Pasteur)

Keep in mind you are being told conflicting stories.

After parents and scientists discovered that mercury was present in the vaccines, they had concerns about the substance causing neurological problems in children.

Organizations such as the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Centers for Disease Control have told you mercury in the vaccines isn’t bad for us, but as a precaution, it will be taken out of the vaccines.

Now the same organizations are telling parents if mercury isn’t kept it in the vaccines, millions will suffer. Why? Removing the mercury from vaccines would cause a major disruption in the manufacturing and supply of vaccines.[2]

Much of the evidence on the toxicity of thimerosal was swept under the rug at a secret meeting held by the Centers for Disease Control in Simpsonwood, Georgia. I’d like to invite you to read a few quotes from the meeting. I think you will see why the Centers for Disease Control wants to keep the lid on thimerosal.

Here are three important quotes from the Simpsonwood Document:

…the number of dose related relationships [between mercury and autism] are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.” – Dr. William Weil, American Academy of Pediatrics. Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000

“Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out at eight o’clock for an emergency call and my daughter-in-law delivered a son by c-section. Our first male in the line of the next generation and I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on. It will probably take a long time. In the meantime, and I know there are probably implications for this internationally, but in the meanwhile I think I want that grandson to only be given Thimerosal-free vaccines.” – Dr. Robert Johnson, Immunologist, University of Colorado, Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000

But there is now the point at which the research results have to be handled, and even if this committee decides that there is no association and that information gets out, the work has been done and through the freedom of information that will be taken by others and will be used in other ways beyond the control of this group. And I am very concerned about that as I suspect that it is already too late to do anything regardless of any professional body and what they say…My mandate as I sit here in this group is to make sure at the end of the day that 100,000,000 are immunized with DTP, Hepatitis B and if possible Hib, this year, next year and for many years to come, and that will have to be with thimerosal containing vaccines unless a miracle occurs and an alternative is found quickly and is tried and found to be safe.” – Dr. John Clements, World Health Organization, Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000 [3]

We at VacTruth encourage you to investigate what is being injected into your child.



Speaking of mercury being unsafe — if you’re pregnant, beware of doctors using aggressive fear tactics pushing you to get vaccinated. Here’s why…

On September 27, 2012, the Human and Environmental Toxicology Journal (HET) published a study by Dr. Gary Goldman reporting a 4,250 percent increase in the number of miscarriages and stillbirths reported to VAERS in the 2009/2010 flu season. [4]

That year the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) had recommended the double-dosing pregnant mothers with two flu shots spiked with mercury.

In his abstract, Goldman said:

“The aim of this study was to compare the number of inactivated-influenza vaccine–related spontaneous abortion and stillbirth (SB) reports in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database during three consecutive flu seasons beginning 2008/2009 and assess the relative fetal death reports associated with the two-vaccine 2009/2010 season.” [4]

How can injecting these filthy vaccines into pregnant mothers be remotely safe?



Do you recall the vaccine-frenzied media telling us to get our flu shots during the H1N1 pandemic? What they didn’t tell you are the possible long-term side effects of those vaccines that are now being revealed.

Recent news about the flu vaccine suspects one of the experimental vaccines causing narcolepsy in about 800 European children. [5]

Specifically, two studies in Finland directly point the finger at the vaccine. [6, 7]

The conclusion of one study states:

“We observed a 17-fold increase in the annual incidence of narcolepsy in 2010 as compared to previous years in children aged under 17 years of age. A common feature in the history of our 54 newly diagnosed childhood narcoleptic patients was that 50 children had received an adjuvanted pandemic influenza vaccine (Pandemrix) within 8 months before the onset of symptoms. In most cases, the development of symptoms was fast. We consider it likely that Pandemrix vaccination contributed to the increased incidence of narcolepsy in Finland…” [7]

The children’s misfortune is they now have to deal with an illness that all but destroys their once normal life. Do you think the pharmaceutical companies will take any responsibility?



I’m not sure about other countries, but in the United States, if your child is harmed by a vaccine, there is little action you can take legally.

The 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was passed was to protect pharmaceutical companies from anyone claiming a vaccine injured their child. Under this law, no parent can sue a vaccine manufacturer. [8]

If you decide to vaccinate your children, you do so at your own risk. No vaccine manufacturer is liable for your child’s vaccine-related injury or death from a recommended vaccine, regardless if the FDA or CDC helped get an untested flu vaccine approved.



If getting injected with neurotoxins or suffering from narcolepsy isn’t enough, expect to shed the flu virus and likely infect others if you decide to get the nasal spray vaccine.

Information from the Centers for Disease Control website indicates “that both children and adults vaccinated with live-attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV) can shed vaccine viruses after vaccination, although in lower amounts than occur typically with shedding of wild-type influenza viruses.” [9]

In one study of children in a daycare setting, 80% of vaccine recipients shed one or more virus strains for an average of 7.5 days. [9]



This might be a shock to you – if you investigate the vaccine carefully enough, you’ll discover that getting vaccinated can actually predispose you to getting the flu!

One particular study surprised researchers when they discovered “a significant positive association between the seasonal influenza vaccine and lab confirmed H1N1 was observed.” [10]

As anecdotal evidence, you may or may not have seen what happened to television host Piers Morgan. If you didn’t, here is the condensed version.

Piers Morgan went on the Dr. Oz television show to get injected with the toxic flu vaccine in front of a live audience. Days later he came down with the flu. [11]

Did the flu vaccine cause him to get the flu? You can decide for yourself on this one.



Do you know how the flu strain is picked to put into the vaccine every year? The “experts” guess.

Every year, the influenza viruses in the seasonal flu vaccine are selected through calculations about what flu viruses are most likely to cause illness in the coming season. The FDA, acting in concert with the CDC, decides what vaccine strains for influenza vaccines to be sold in the U.S. [12]

What happens if the virus mutates or the “experts” guess incorrectly? Please see Reason #1…



Many people believe the Centers for Disease Control is beyond using propaganda ploys. You might get a different impression from the information I’m about to share with you. It may seem as if the CDC fears you into getting vaccinated, much like doctors do.

What do I mean and where is this recipe?

Some years ago, the associate director for communications for the national immunization program, Glen Nowak, made a presentation entitled Planning for the 2004-05 Influenza Vaccination Season: A Communication Situation Analysis.

I am going to include the entire “recipe” so you can see the complexity of the propaganda being regularly used on you to get vaccinated.

The slide on page 27 of the presentation reads:

“Recipe” that Fosters Higher Interest and Demand for Influenza Vaccine

1. Influenza’s arrival coincides with immunization “season” (i.e., when people can take action)

2. Dominant strain and/or initial cases of disease are:

–Associated with severe illness and/or outcomes

–Occur among people for whom influenza is not generally perceived to cause serious complications (e.g., children, healthy adults, healthy seniors)

–In cities and communities with significant media outlets (e.g., daily newspapers, major TV stations)

3. Medical experts and public health authorities publicly (e.g., via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)–and urge influenza vaccination.

4. The combination of ‘2’ and ‘3’ result in:

A. Significant media interest and attention

B. Framing of the flu season in terms that motivate behavior (e.g., as “very severe,” “more severe than last or past years,” “deadly”)

C. Continued reports (e.g., from health officials and media) that influenza is causing severe illness and/or affecting lots of people–helping foster the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza.

6. Visible/tangible examples of the seriousness of the illness (e.g., pictures of children, families of those affected coming forward) and people getting vaccinated (the first to motivate, the latter to reinforce)

7. References to, and discussions, of pandemic influenza– along with continued reference to the importance of vaccination.” [13]

The message is extremely familiar. You see it played out every year on the news channels. To be clear, what you just read is a recipe to sell more of Big Pharma’s toxic vaccines.



1. http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

2. http://vactruth.com/2012/12/23/mercury-in-vaccines/

3. http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/chapter2.html

4. http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/09/12/0960327112455067.abstract?rss=1

5. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/22/us-narcolepsy…

6. http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0033536#close

7. http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi/10.1371/journal.pone.0033723

8. http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

9. http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/acip/laiv-shed.htm

10. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22001885

11. http://www.infowars.com/piers-morgan-falls-ill-days-after-receiving-flu-vaccine/

12. http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/virusqa.htm

13. http://www.scribd.com/doc/19212191/2004flunowak


Photo Credit


Jeffry John Aufderheide

Jeffry John Aufderheide is the father of a child injured as a result of vaccination. As editor of VacTruth.com, he promotes well-educated health professionals, informed consent, and full disclosure and accountability of adverse reactions to vaccines.

  • drsuzanne

    I was thinking today, how just about everyone I know has recently, in the past 2 weeks been sick with flu-like symptoms.  And apparently many people I don’t know have been too.  Since the vaccines have been injected since around Sept 2102, and just about anybody who is going to get a vaccine has already gotten one, we have to consider what is going on.  Either the vaccines are causing and spreading disease, or the concoctions don’t do what they are supposed to do.   Or both.  The other thing is that in the years that influenza vaccine uptake has quadrupled, deaths have continued to rise, related to influenza.  The authorities obviously also have no clue about the phenomenon of original antigenic sin, which was demonstrated in 2009, where vaccine induced immunity to one set of strains, can lead to worse infection to other later strains, due to how the immune system is programmed. 

  • Cherry Misra

    Does anyone know which flu vaccine was injected into Piers Morgan?-  Was it one that contained Thimerosal?

  • Thank you for citing your references. This lends validity to “professionals” when I discuss my objections with them. My pediatrician was unaware that mercurary was still being used in the vaccines. I downloaded the list from the CDC and showed him which companies and specific vaccines still use them. I refused the shots that had it. No more issues with refusing shots for my little. one.

  • tamarque

    What is missing here are 2 points: 

    1.  what the actual annual flu figure are/were. if i remember correctly, last year’s numbers were the lowest ever despite the hysteria about how bad the epidemic was.

    2.  the CDC last year instructed medical facilites to stop testing and diagnose every upper respiratory condition as THE flu.  out of about 18,000 reported cases, only a fraction were flu.

    3.  two years ago we had a death in the family of 32 yr old man told he had the flu.  a week later he keeled over and died–of an aneurysm in the brain!

  • betsyanne

    I couldn’t agree more, drsuzanne.  Too many people believed the hype this year and were vaccinated.  I don’t understand how they can be so hoodwinked, even people who KNOW the dangers of vaccines were inoculated this year.  It’s just unbelievable to me how people can be so unquestioning.

    It is not only the nasal flumist that sheds.  I have an auto-immune disease and this year I easily picked up the flu (my DH and I were sick from December 1st to December 22nd – down and out sick all that time) and neither of us has had the flu since February of 2002.  So there is definitely something in this year’s batches which causes it to shed and spread.  The medical industrial complex designed them to do that and I’m almost positive of that, although I have no proof.  I don’t need proof to know they’re a bunch of overweeningly arrogant and evil criminals who now face no liability for their concoctions, whatsoever.  WHY would they care about what goes into them, except to make sure they shed & spread??  It’s their goal, man.

  • Markdc

    Great article…I would add some Cochrane stats: only 1.5 – 2.7% of the population gets sick, and <10% of circulating virus's are infleunza, and the shot is only "60%" effective….do the math…odds are, 1)you wont get sick, and 2)if you do, its not covered by the shot anyway

  • Markk

    What a joke, when the patient knows more than the doctor… I once had a pediatrician argue with me that vaccines were ‘mandatory’…he didnt know there was a waiver in WI, and insisted home-schooling was my only option.


    Statistics can be manipulated and who checks them anyway, right? That’s how they get you, they try to scare you. Most people that “die from the flu” did NOT die from the flu but other underlying illnesses (and that information came from a doctor, not me). That important fact they leave out (convenient!).I have never had a flu shot and had the flu maybe 3 or 4 times in my life. It’s unpleasant but I would rather deal with the flu any day then get poisoned for life. My hairdresser’s husband got the flu shot every year and got the flu every year. Why he continued to get the shots, I can’t tell you. But he die 4 years ago of a very agressive brain tumor. I can’t prove it to you, but I strongly believe he got the brain tumor from the flu shot.
    The greatest and saddest fact though is that so many babies will not be born because their mothers got bullied into a flu shot. THIS IS AN AMERICAN TRAGEDY!

  • Ray

    When I was a kid , born in 1944, we were never vaccinated for the flu  . Sometimes I would get Tonsillitis But after a few bouts  I didn`t get it any more maybe I just built resistance to it.No one ever died from the “flu” that I can recall.

  • Dr. Suzanne,

    That’s exactly what is happening. This isn’t a new concept either which would lead the reader to the probably conclusion “they” know exactly what they are doing.

    This was first described by Thomas Francis, Jr. in the article “On the Doctrine of Original Antigenic Sin”.


  • Hi Cherry,

    I do not know which specific vaccine was injected into him.

  • @43e3ad961a16f074342f55d3c4c45245:disqus – Yes… these fear tactics are very common, especially among pediatricians. I’m glad you were well-informed prior to the visit as bullying seems to be their specialty.

  • Thank you for adding to the value of this article. There is so much information available. I hope this provides a starting point for a reader to investigate the topic for themselves.

  • @43e3ad961a16f074342f55d3c4c45245:disqus – Cochrane and RAND Corporation have some interesting numbers on the flu, vaccine uptake, etc.

    There are many articles, but here is one you may find helpful/useful.

    Appreciate the feedback and your continued readership.

  • @84c6db55c95323edd09ccb1727e2e9a0:disqus – it’s interesting you mention this. Did you know vaccines are not evaluated for causing cancer (carcinogenisis)? Read any vaccine insert and look for that term.

    Also, you may want to investigate SV40 (Simian Virus 40) contamination and the polio vaccine as a starting point. Vaccine contamination is well known in scientific circles … but it is quite taboo to talk about it publicly.

    Human and animal vaccine contaminations.

    Recovery of strains of the polyomavirus SV40 from rhesus monkey kidney cells dating from the 1950s to the early 1960s.

    You can find most of the product inserts here:

  • It recently became fashionable to inject pregnant women and children with mercury-laced flu vaccines. I’m not quite sure of the paradigm shift in medicine that has occurred in the past 10 years, or so. In my opinion, it seems very destructive to the children’s health and well-being.

  • tamarque

     you are quite welcome.  it seemed those points would strengthen your article.

  • Tell the Truth

    I have cross posted this story/link in a forum where there are many folks who still believe that vaccines are good and antivaxxers are stupid. One ‘conversation’ (NPR on vaccines) has been continuing since Feb 8, 2010.
    lakewoodbuzz.infopop.cc/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=51160672&f=33460472&m=1020082536&r=1220011066#1220011066Never fails to amaze me how often they will dismiss credible sources (PubMed, JAMA, LANCET, Vactruth, etc)…..I refuse to stop posting alternate views about vaccines. Especially when I know what little recourse parents have after their kids are injured.It is my pleasure to help create continued awareness about the sanctioned poisoning of our children. I am becoming unpopular in some circles, but then again I’ve never been a follower or interested in hanging out with drones who like to let others do their thinking for them.


  • kathi richards

    Ray, just so you know, “tonsillitis”, is “inflammation of the tonsils”, which occurs when your body is trying to fight off an infection. You were building up immunity. Yay!!!

  • Sleeplessmom

    This makes me nervous, my mother in law got the flu shot every year and at thanksgiving time was diagnosed with an aggressive brain tumor too, the Dr. told us she has less than a year, it has been a nightmare for our family!

  • Would you please consider getting rid of that javascript pop up when one first gets to the page?  It’s always irritating to come to a site and have to be bothered with closing these things out.  People really hate that nonsense, you know.  Other than that, I love your site and information.   Thanks.


    We know that big Pharma wants profits and mainly helps to alleviate people’s symptoms of disease and not the actual disease or cause of it . Anti-biotics are used in animal farming to the extent that they are no longer effective for infections. We know that the wars we call humanitarian actually kill millions of innocent people, that we bomb & arm terrorists into power in Libya (and Syria where we have failed) and that it is all about profit. We also use poisonous foods including GM and additives for our people and animals which are later eaten by people.  It is documented that governments have sprayed viruses and bacteria and such into the air to experiment on the people. Who else is convinced this is still occurring? What are the plane trails chucking out over us all?  I am convinced that the powers of this world are satanic at the root and making war upon humanity and creation. They predict the next flu strain to hit us and then it is dumped on top of us from the air.
    The sheer amount of white cloud trails every blue sky day last summer and in the autumn, the way they lasted ALL DAY LONG, the way the sky went pale blue and was often  filled with metallic haze  makes me SEE the pollution they dump upon us. we also have NORAVIRUS and swine flu along with the barium and aluminium nano  particled haze.
    Do governments want us to have more children? No. Do governments actively promote sterilisation, older parents, abortions and a benefits tax system which is very harsh to families? ARE euthanasia and sterile gay relationships being promoted on our TVS and on the government controlled BBC?  Are Western governments promoting a culture of DEATH?

  • Would a person not think that if the medical establishment were really concerned about the public’s health during flu season, that at least they would realize that pushing something the likes of the flu mist vaccine that sheds, really is not a good idea? As soon as they start vaccinating the cases of flu steadily increase. Of course they can get away with saying, well that was again just the normal flu season as usual, and no one would or should be the wiser, in their world. Any time you are using a live virus, and it sheds, it increases the chance for mutations in the virus. Mutations that could increase as well the virulence of the particular flu strain. But no, they can deny it all claiming no proof, and the public is still supposed to question nothing and while the CDC sits happily at the selectively see nothing, know nothing control switch.
    Post Vaccination – Vaccine Targeted Strain – Viral and Bacterial Pathogen – Sheddinghttp://www.vacfacts.info/post-vaccination-vaccine-targeted-strain—viral-and-bacterial—shedding.html

    Why is it as well that when the benefits of and getting sufficient amounts of vitamin C and D3 are so obvious, that no where have they promoted either of the two? The public in general is known across the board to be often be deficient in vitamin D in the winter, and obviously because of the lack of sun exposure.   

    People have been brought back from the brink of death from the flu, by simply administering IV vitamin C. But most if not all medical facilities will still watch a flu victim die, and never even suggest it. “Only a chemical drug can cure or prevent disease”, statement by the all knowing revolving door with the pharma industry, FDA. Any claims made on anything other than a patented for profit and an approved drug, cause that product or substance then to become a drug. The substance then having not been evaluated by the FDA, and thus costing millions of dollars in FDA approved clinical trials, you then are in violation if you do not cease and desist with your claims. 

    So, lets make this as short and sweet as possible. Here is the information. Review it and judge for yourself. In this next link there is an important video at the top of the page, regarding vitamin C and recovery from the flu. Being most medical facilities will refuse to administer IV vitamin C, there is another option that works just as well.

    LIPOSOMAL ENCAPSULATED VITAMIN C, (with as well information on getting adequate amounts of vitamin D)

    The Danger and Ineffectiveness of Flu Vaccineshttp://www.vacfacts.info/danger-and-ineffectiveness-of-flu-vaccines.html


     I had my first child over 30 years ago and the vaccines seemed WRONG and EXCESSIVE even then. My mum had eagerly taken us children to homes where other children had disease like measles, mumps, chicken pox and german measles -so we would get it and have it over with BEFORE we started school. I wondered at their scareongering statistics, whether it included starving children in famine in Africa or well fed children in UK.  Their statistics were therefore a nonsense. Whooping cough statistics also were a nonsense because they compared vaccinated children to infected children UNDER 1 year- but what about all of those who were older and would not get the infection? They said breastfeeding boosted immunity but it only lasted for a short time?? The measles did not work and everyone went to have an extra boost of measles vac even ten years after the pre-school vaccinations. Yes. I and many mums QUERIED the Vaccination programme but unfortunately those Experts just swallowed the propaganda for them and did not query. 
      Later in life, with 2 more children and I was aghast to see how even more vaccinations were added. The meningitis vaccines barely made sense as they did not even protect the children from the type that random children were dying from & the statistics were so low for meningitis death that vaccines seemed to be a non answer. People on the bus would see me and tell me of their vaccine affected child who had developed  severe autism after their jabs
    I just kept my children at home when they had headaches to make sure they did not get worse and that meningitis did not hit them. judging by their high temperatures and unwellness, I probably nursed them through a few bouts. This meningitis was something I had not heard of in the few decades before. Was it sprayed over us? Are we being experimented on deliberately?
     It was at grammer school that our teacher read us the article in the guardian that told of of how they had sprayed the people of the UK with colds.  The article had come to light because after so many years secrets are supposed to be released. They have sprayed us and I am convinced that the governnment secret services are doing this to us STILL but to a greater and greater extent.

  • Great information, Lowell!

  • Certainly no shortage of evidence and information of what you speak of. One simply needs to look. Thank you for sharing.

  • Lou

    Here is another reason.


    How to Produce Alzheimer’s

    “The fluoride/aluminum
    association is of particular importance as it relates to Alzheimer’s Disease.
    Aluminum by itself is not readily absorbed by the body. However, in the presence
    of fluoride ions, the fluoride ions combine with the aluminum to form aluminum
    fluoride, which is absorbed by the body. In the body, the aluminum eventually
    combines with oxygen to form aluminum oxide or alumina (53). Alumina is the
    compound of aluminum that is found in the brains of Alzheimer’s disease.”Ronsivalli, LJ, “Addenda to
    Fluoridation of Public Water Supplies”, Note I don’t think things can be clearer
    than this.

    We have found that
    clinically normal individuals aged 60-65 who receive influenza vaccine three or
    four times during a five-year period, will five years later have an incidence of
    Alzheimer’s disease
    10-fold greater than age-matched individuals who
    did not receive it.” 
    Doctor H.
    Hugh Fudenburg, MD,
    Note and CDC cannot figure out where Alzheimer’s is coming from. Right! 
    90% of our seniors are getting the “flu vaccine” toxin.

    Ever wonder where the neuron tangles of Alzheimer’s come from?

    So if you want to produce Alzheimer’s just feed elders (and
    everyone else) water with fluoride put in it and “vaccinate”
    (with mercury, aluminum and other toxic garbage) the hell out of them. Know
    any country where this is being done? Yeah right here in the land of the

    It is 100% clear to me if you want to VASTLY reduce your
    odds of contracting Alzheimer’s simply stop drinking
    fluoridated water,  soft drinks, using anything with fluoride in it and getting the toxic and
    totally worthless “Flu Shot” or any other “vaccination”.


     But they spray the viruses onto us to make us all sick-the very viruses they inject.


     what if the vaccines are of the same virus that they spray on us?


    Here is a long list of viruses and nasty germs that the USUK and other governments EXPORT.

    Below is a list (Figure 1) of one such
    consignment sent from the US to Iraq. I would also like to point out
    that the UK also participated in such exports, which I will cover later.

     Bacillus Anthracis Cohn (ATCC 10)
    Batch # 08-20-82 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen.

    Bacillus Subtitles (Ehrenberg) Con (ATCC 82)
    Batch # 06-20-84 (2 each)
    Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 3502)
    Batch# 07-07-81 (3 each)
    Class III Pathogen
    Clostridium perfringens (Weillon and Zuber)
    Hauduroy, et al (ATCC 3624)
    Batch# 10-85SV (2 each)
    Bacillus subtilis (ATCC 6051)
    Batch# 12-06-84 (2 each)
    Francisella tularensis var. tularensis Olsufiev
    (ATCC 6223)

    Batch# 05-14-79 (2 each)

    Avirulent; suitable for preparations of  diagnostic antigens.
    Clostridium tetani (ATCC 9441)
    Batch 03-94 (3 each)
    Highly toxigenic.
     Clostridium botulinum Type E (ATCC
    9564) Batch# 03-02-79 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen
     Clostridium tetani (ATCC 10779)
    Batch# 04-24-84S (3 each)
     Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 12916)
    Batch# 08-14-80 (2 each)
    Agglutinating Type 2.
    Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 13124)

    Batch# 08-14-80 (3 each)

    Type A, alpha-toxigenic, produces  lecithinase C.J. Appl,
     Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14185)
    Batch# 01-14-80 (3 each) G.G. Wright (Fort Detrick) V770-NPI-R.
    Bovine anthrax, Class III pathogen
     Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14578)
    Batch# 01-06-78 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen.
    Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 14581)
    Batch# 04-18-85 (2 each)
    Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 14945)
    Batch# 06-21-81 (2 each)
    Clostridium botulinum Type E (ATCC 17855)
    Batch# 06-21-71
    Class III pathogen.
    Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 19213)
    Batch# 3-84 (2 each)
    Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 19397)
    Batch# 08-18-81 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen
    Brucella abortus Biotype 3 (ATCC 23450)
    Batch# 08-02-84 (3 each)
    Class III pathogen
    Brucella abortus Biotype 9 (ATCC 23455)
    Batch# 02-05-68 (3 each)
    Class III pathogen
    Brucella melitensis Biotype I (ATCC 23456)
    Batch# 03-08-78 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen
    Brucella melitensis Biotype 3 (ATCC 23458)
    Batch# 01-29-68 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen
    Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 25763)
    Batch# 8-83 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen
    Clostridium botulinum Type F (ATCC 35415)
    Batch# 02-02-84 (2 each)
    Class III pathogen
    “The United States did not believe that they would be used
    for anything other than legitimate research purposes and therefore did
    not knowingly export the materials to assist a biological weapons
    programme”……………….How naive can you get?

  • That article goes on to make these statements, which if fact; shows the irresponsible, reckless, and criminal intent of the US, in the promotion of biological weapons. Truly a country that all to obviously can not be trusted to have the public’s best interest as a priority. This whole issue is one of flirting with a human suffering disaster, of epic proportions. This is one more reason we need to be cautious and question everything in relation to pandemic vaccines, and false flag scenarios like the past H1N1 scare, that brought again fear mongered thousands of people unwittingly to the vaccine clinics, to get the vaccine. Pharma as well, laughed all the way to the bank.

    Further excerpts from the above. 

    [The United States secretly supported Iraq in its eight-year war with Iran, and that in February 1982 the US Administration removed Iraq from its list of ‘terrorist states’ in order to do so. Furthermore, there is the astonishing fact that, among the various agencies of the Government of Iraq listed in the Riegle Report, one repeated recipient of these deadly materials was no less than the Iraqi nuclear weapons research facility, the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission. One could ask the US how could the conclusion possibly be reached that between 1985 and 1989 anthrax and other warfare-related biological materials were exported from the US to Iraq for “legitimate research purposes”?

    One also needs to look at the fact that the UK supplied Biological and Chemical agents to Iraq, unfortunately documentation on this is well hidden but evidence does exist that the UK certainly did supply such agents.

    Back in the 1970’s Iraq had approached the USSR to buy a plant to manufacture chemical weapons, but his request was refused. Saddam then began courting the West, and received a much more favourable response.

    An American company, Pfaulder Corporation of Rochester, New York, supplied the Iraqis with a blueprint in 1975, enabling them to construct their first chemical warfare plant. The plant was purchased in sections from Italy, West Germany and East Germany and assembled in Iraq. It was located at Akhashat in north-western Iraq, and the cost was around $50 million for the plant and $30 million for the safety equipment.]

    And they keep on getting away with all this, and no serious investigation is ever done. They, the government and as well with their inter relations with pharma and obviously errant miscellaneous chemical/biological labs, are entirely immune to any investigations whatsoever.

  • We as well and already have the previously known issue of SV-40 virus in the previous polio era vaccines, and all the questions of its relation to the causation of multiple types of cancer. Which by the way of course the CDC and FDA again deny any existing proof of the connection.We as well have the unresolved issue of individuals and children now as well it being found still existing SV-40 in cancer and even benign tumors, in those individuals to young to have ever had the known at the time SV-40 contaminated vaccines. Evidence of that fact, offered below.

    Scientific proof that the known cancer causing SV40 virus, a previous contaminant in the polio vaccine, is obviously either contagious; or the virus is still in the vaccine/s.

    Failure Of The Continued Polio Vaccine Campaign

    Now, as if that were not irresponsible enough, the FDA is as well now investigating the current feasibility of using cancer tumors, to make vaccines. You know obviously cancer can make continuous cells lines that will create unlimited cell lines that will reproduce cell lines to make unlimited vaccines, forever. Right? Even better than with with the use of the current aborted fetal cell lines.

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue

    Lets take a look at the evidence.

    Investigating Viruses in Cells Used to Make Vaccines; and Evaluating the Potential Threat Posed by Transmission of Viruses to Humans

    What should be equally as unsettling is the FDA’s collaboration with the pharmaceutical giant GSK, in these endeavors. GSK is one of the most proven corrupt pharmaceutical companies on earth. Fined over and over again for their errant practices by the DOJ. It does not matter to them because the profits are always far more than the penalties, and NO ONE ever goes to prison. They are obviously to big to single out just a select few people. And we all know that they must continue to not allow a pharma giant that makes the savior chemical drugs and the savior holy water vaccines, to ever be a risk of public benefit, collapse.

    FDA Briefing Document
    Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Meeting
    September 19, 2012
    Cell Lines Derived from Human Tumors for Vaccine Manufacture


    Alternate source link:

    2012 Meeting Materials, Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee
    November 14-15, 2012

    Subsections: Bibliography FDA Briefing Document; Cell Lines Derived from Human Tumors for Vaccine Manufacture
    FDA Briefing Document: Cell Lines Derived from Human Tumors for Vaccine Manufacture 


    [PDF] FDA – “Designer” Cells as Substrates for the Manufacture of Viral Vaccines


    Now, does anyone think there just may be a reason to question everything you have ever been told about vaccines. Do you think there is any possibility that everything we were fed for information, needs to come under an investigational  spotlight? Trust your doctor, and just trust your pediatrician? They are the assumed, medical professionals, right? “Educate before you vaccinate”!  



     If we keep trying we may get a REAL international criminall court to TRY the monsters in our governments and elsewhere who are responsible for all manner of crimes against humanity.


     International criminal court and asset stripping of the corrupt.  I want a new people’s sovereign currency for each nation. We print it, it is our money and e can take over and not want their money which will be paper rubbish.

  • educated

    yeah they are sited, but when you only take part of the information, AND SITE YOUR OWN WEBSITE??? what kind of a source is that? Also where is all the primary literature? Where is your p value? What solid evidence do you have??? These “sources” are Bologna

  • And what is your suggestion? Copying the entire studies word for word? I guess you haven’t read any of the sources for yourself. Fascinating and bologna indeed.

  • argus

    Jeffrey is great at accusing people of being “shills” when they post information that he does not want to recognize or admit to.
    But do not look for this pop-up or any of the busy ads on the side of the screen to go away soon. Nor any of the mentions from the other authors of the books they have for sale. All these things are money in the bank.
    Shills, indeed!

  • argus

    Keep playing dumb, Jeffrey. You don’t need to copy the wording from the entire study write-up into you article. What educated is pointing out is that you are cherry-picking – select just the words or information that can be twisted to support your assertion while ignoring anything else in the study write-up that goes against it.

  • You’re more than welcome to refute anything I write and present information. However you don’t do this. Heck, you don’t even use your real name.

  • Costa Rica

    ” Most people that “die from the flu” did NOT die from the flu but other underlying illnesses”, I quote this because you believe this and yet fully buy into the song and dance here that vaccines kill people. Using your own logic then it could be easily argued that “Most people that ‘die from vaccine injuries’ did NOT die from vaccines injuries but from other underlying illnesses.” Feel free to point out the error in my logic.

    Jeffry John Aufderheide, could you please explain the meaning of see #1 if the experts guess wrong, I don’t see the connection. It must be only me since no one else has asked. Is there a difference between if they get it right or wrong? Seems to me you get the same amount of “toxins” either way.

  • Anyone who needs *scientific* ammunition against vaccine proponents: my eBook is a good place to start.

    “Into the Labyrinth: Discovering the Truth about Vaccination” is one of my eBooks on natural health – a conversational expose on the historical fraud of vaccination, based on a talk I gave at the 2004 AutismOne conference in Chicago . . . with updated clickable links and information.

    “Into the Labyrinth: Discovering the Truth about Vaccination”

  • Mercury and also aluminum are both adjuvants and these are used to generate antibodies to the vaccine. Note that it isnt the so-called germ, in this case flu germ, that generates antibody response, but the adjuvant. Dr Tetyana Obukhanych states that… ‘this cellular damage is sensed by the immune system, which then initiates the immune response against a “foreign” protein that showed up in the context of such damage. Without alum and without damage that it creates, the immune system would simply disregard the injected foreign protein as innocuous and not make any antibodies against it. But since the whole point of vaccination is to induce antibody production, then whatever alum is doing to induce antibody production, is considered favorable’. So flu vaccine antibodies are not germ antibodies, but poison related. Because it is impossible to transplant a so-called virus from a human to a vaccine and then back into a human, then its obvious that a vaccine cannot possibly work. The ‘flu virus’ that is contained in vaccines are merely proteins and bits, and this is not the whole virus. So basically a vaccine is a poison that generates antibody response, which as Jim West states on harpub.tk is merely a first aid response of the body towards a poison. This is absolutely nothing related to immunity or human health, it is nothing more than mass poisoning. The antibodies generated by say a flu shot are not germ related, but poison related. When a virologist finds this antibody response, they call it an effective vaccine and assume that this translates into immunity. This is a grand assumption, and if so, it is also very bad science and very bad medicine. John Wantling, Rochdale, UK

  • I cannot think of a more stupid and dangerous practice than vaccinating a pregnant woman with what is basically a chemical poisonous soup. This is not an accident waiting to happen, but an accident that has already happened taking into consideration the 4,250 per cent
    increase in the number of miscarriages and stillbirths reported to VAERS in the 2009/2010 flu season. That is what one would expect to happen and that is exactly what did happen. I recently asked a
    pregnant woman about the issues and dangers of ultrasound and vaccinations being a threat to her developing baby, and she said that she didn’t want to know, she couldn’t face it, it was too much for her to take in, so that means that here we have yet another accident waiting to happen and the chances of her baby being healthy is now in the balance. This is not a good way to give birth to a baby and expect it to be healthy. The moral of the story is don’t get vaccinated and don’t get ultrasound. The chances of the baby suffering developmental problems, assuming that it survives this assault on its senses, is going to be in the balance. I don’t know what the chances are of the baby being damaged, but 1 in 6 kids in US has some form of neuro-developmental disability. How long will it be before one in two kids are damaged. We are not far away. I’m not saying vaccines are responsible for all neuro-developmental disabilities, but the US vaccine policy is going to
    destroy that country and bring it down to its knees. That is sheer madness. We need to pat our doctors on the back for doing this to our children. Congratulations! Go collect your Nobel Prize for destroying the health of the nation. John Wantling, Rochdale, UK

  • You say that the experts guess which flu strain the flu vaccines contain, but once again the virus contained in the actual vaccine is not the whole ‘flu virus’, it is merely proteins, particles and bits. This is not the whole virus, and so these bits cannot possible immunize a pussy cat, never mind a human being. Let’s say that we have a nut and a bolt, and we cut the nut in half and we remove the thread, do you think that this will be effective. Of course not, it will be useless, and a bit of a virus is also the same. This is one reason why a flu shot cannot possibly work. Once again, it is merely a poison that we inject into the body. This is not a bright idea. What the vaccine will do is poison the cells and this may well cause flu-like symptoms, which is the body’s way of cleansing the cells. It isn’t about immunity, it cannot be. John Wantling, Rochdale, UK

  • And we must also take into consideration that if the flu is infectious, then how long does it take a ‘flu virus’ to go around the globe, meaning to infect the whole human organism worldwide. A health teacher once told me that it would take a few days to travel throughout the UK. Now this is based on germ theory which may well be deeply flawed. I’m guessing, but to travel around the world would take about one month, and that is wishful thinking. So once the whole organism is infected, the virus will be spent, and so it will either die or mutate. So a flu vaccine that is manufactured will take say 10 to 12 months to reach the consumer. This is ten months too late because the original virus has now done its work and either died a death or mutated. The vaccine will be absolutely useless, if what I say is true. It is like booking a ticket to catch a train that has already left the station 10 months ago. John Wantling, Rochdale, UK

  • With vaccines, we are trying to do something that is impossible, and this is all based on germ theory of disease, which states that disease arises
    from micro-organisms from outside the body (Pasteur). Bechamp stated quite the opposite, his cellular theory of disease stated that disease arises from micro-organisms within the cells of the body. The problem here is that the medics follow the theory of germ. They do this because they don’t have to think, they merely wage war on the germ, and if that kills or damages the patient, then that is the price we pay. HIV was a classic case, where they waged war on the so-called germ, and this poisoned 150,000 people to death with AZT, and this they called AIDS. In fact, it was death by prescription. But the fact remains that the medics and virologists do not understand the mechanisms of disease, so they translate symptoms of disease into germ causation. Barbara Loe Fisher says this… ‘So they are saying that some people ethically can be sacrificed for the greater good, but what they never bother to find out, even if you accept that as a moral rationale, is how many are being sacrificed, 500, 5000, 500,000, how many are being sacrificed!’ The Greater Good film. When we look at this sacrifice, we are talking
    about mass murder, which is genocide. Now is this what medicine has turned into, a form of mass killing. This is all an intrinsic part of the vaccination issue. The moral of the story is that when we wage war on a so-called germ that we don’t fully understand, then we are
    liable to damage and kill humans. John Wantling, Rochdale, UK

  • Carter

    That’s pretty radical of you. There can be reasons to not get vaccinated, and that is if you’re allergic.

  • Carter

    He didn’t explain it well, but there is some truth to that. Basically, the flu shot is composed of three different strains (subspecies, if you will) of the flu. The vaccine/nasal spray either have dead or harmless viruses of each of these strains. And they are not mere “guesses” as to what strains are picked. The vaccine/nasal spray contain the three most prevalent strains found in people during that year/season. It would be extremely rare and unusual for you to get sick from a strain not found in the vaccine. If you did get sick from a different strain, then you definitely have an underlying problem or immunity deficiency problem.

  • In Norway we had a heavy propaganda campain to make people take swine flu vaccine, and most Norwegians behave like cattle when the authorities say go. But 25% did not abide, among those me. Doctors were the group most resistant to take the vaccine themselves. Only 30% of them did, since they knew more of the whole truth.

  • Mark

    Thimerosal was originally incorporated into vaccines as an antibiotic to reduce the occurrence of bacterial infections related to injections due to poor hygiene from administering doctors. There are numerous studies and there has never been any concrete evidence that the level of mercury present in the vaccine causes any harm to the human body. Please stop using emotive statements to back your arguments and please stop deliberately leaving out key information that completely debunks every single one of your “damn good reasons”. Scepticism is not a bad approach to medicine and the right level is always needed, however in doing so, I implore you to use the same scepticism you have against vaccines onto those who provide information that is anti-vaccination. Statements that take excerpts out of context or misleading data is dangerous. I pray that you consider the effects your comments have on the future health of others who read your comments. If you have any concerns regarding vaccines, I implore you to address them to an immunologist who specialises in this field.

  • Thomas

    Yes great argument there Jeffry, lets spend 10+ years studying medicine, working 16+ hour shifts to bully a parent into vaccinating a child, a method, which is believed by many to actually reduce a child’s likelihood to become sick and even die. Not knowing that a vaccine has mercury (whose levels in the vaccines have never been concretely proven to cause any harm) is really a great sin. No-one said doctors are perfect and being critical about what they say is something that all patients should have to improve their own care, but please do not just throw out their years of experience in study and working in hospitals over details that have not been proven to be significant.

  • Adam

    In Norway we had a heavy propaganda campain to make people take swine flu vaccine, +100500


  • AngleWorm

    And cigarettes do not cause cancer

  • kmoff1965

    Are you a physician or work in the drug industry? Do you actually know what is in each vaccine? If you are a physician or associated with pharma that explains your remark above. If not, you’re just another brainwashed sheep like the ptb want.

  • Can you please elaborate more on how an immunologist would be able to tell a parent about the toxicity of thimerosal? I thought that’s what toxicologists are for?

  • RXist82

    Good comment Mark! Finally someone with some sense! Yogurt has bacteria in it, are you all now going to stop eating yogurt? That bacteria = probiotics! Readers, do your own research from legitimate sources, not someone’s propaganda!

  • Even the official experts admit that the flu vaccines are at best 62% effective to prevent a person from catching flu, and that most often they are less effective and the effectiveness decreases drastically during the season.

  • Amy Gresl

    Maybe you just don’t want to admit you’ve been “had” by the government.
    I treat people with Mercury poisoning. It’s not pretty. They lose track of time, their bodies can’t fight bacteria, mold, fungus. It grows in their intestines. Even just a trace amount in a shot ads up year after year. Your body can’t detox it if it doesn’t have the right nutrients and this country is starved for nutrients. Look at the overweight people. That is nutrient deficiency!

  • Yogurt is injected? Yes – I encourage people to do their own research.

  • Brian

    Been healthy for 3 straight years, not even a cold. Got flu shot on Friday since it was “free” at work. Been sick for 4 straight days. Coincidence, I think not. Never again!

  • ANTI-vac

    Hey RXist82- Yogurt has bacteria, yes… Probiotics are good flora in your body… NATURAL flora you genious (sarcasm…you incompetent, government had sloth)…Get your mind right. VACCINATIONS ARE NOT GOOD FOR THE HUMAN BODY… I havent been sick in 4 years, refused the flu shot… everyone I know that gets the flu shot is sick upon every season of the year and it’s not allergies champ… So before you say “finally someone with some sense”…get some sense yourself and research what Probiotics are budsicles… and start taking 20-50 billion count per day and you might be healthy yourself after alll those antibiotics you feed your body with that you think are “HEALTHY” for treating infections…ever hear of water? broccoli? tumeric? onions? garlic? tea? they treat infections quite nicely…
    cheers “genious”

  • Carly

    What a bunch of bullshit crackpot ‘science’ you have managed to throw together. Please don’t believe any of this. Vaccines save lives. Case in point, small pox. Do you have it? Does your child? Thank you vaccines for eradicating such a horrible disease. Any asshole parent who doesn’t believe in vaccines please keep your kids as far away from mine as possible because when, not if, they come down with something they should have been vaccinated against I don’t want my vaccinated child exposed. MY children still have a small, but growing (thanks irresponsible parents ) chance of contracting these diseases. Conspiracy theories will always be around but real, actual scientific facts cannot be argued. Get your info from a reliable source. Vaccines save lives.

  • You should take a moment to reflect what you just wrote.

    If vaccines work, your children should be perfectly safe. Think long and hard about it.

  • Marlene Hager

    continue to be cautious. There is no safe level of mercury (thimerosal) which they claim is a preservative. Have you noticed the increase in autism??? It’s all mercury related. Flu shots/ mercury. I have never had a flu shot in my life. The last flu I had was years ago. My daughter got a waiver for her children to avoid the vaccinations. They are all healthy. AVOID VACCINATIONS. IT’S GOOD TO BE CAUTIOUS.

  • BS

    I call BS on this entire article….

  • Kim

    My mom had the flu vaccine on Oct.8, 2013, had an aneurysm Nov. 23, was diagnosed with bacterial flu about a week later. She had a significant bleed in her brain that took her life on Dec. 21. I really started wondering about the flu vaccine and just thought it would start investigating it.

  • Adam Alander

    People who bad mouth this article are either 1: paid by big pharma to do so or 2: have not done enough research and believe what the doctors tells them without question. Just take a day or 2 and Google to research that swine flu was man made. How hard is it to believe that a billion (if not trillion) dollar industry wants to keep us sick so they can keep making bank!. Open your eye’s people or suffer the consequences. I never take shots and I eat as organic and natural as possible and I rarely get sick. This article is spot on!. Anyone who calls bs is corrupt or an idiot. Sorry but true lol..

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  • Wajih Qazi

    There is so much truth to this. All this crap is business for the pharmaceutical industry. You think they actually care about us? This article is pretty eye opening and I’m glad I didn’t get a flu shot this year. Eat healthy, dress properly and you’ll be fine.

  • myranda

    I was going to say the same thing if you hadn’t.

  • Tyler Erasmus

    unfortunately this article does propose a substantial amount of facts and figures which do appose vaccines. i completely understand reasons why parents want to get their children vaccinated and i completely understand why other people don’t want to get vaccination. but to be perfectly honest it has been scientifically proven by doctors and scientists (at this point it doesn’t matter if thoughts/ideas/information were stolen from other people) that some vaccines do work. someone on this discussion mentioned small pox, a perfect example. a scientist went around giving children cow pox, which was genetically similar to small pox but no where near as deadly, thus stopping children from getting small pox. since their bodies have been introduced to strains of a similar virus their bodies learned how to fight them of. its almost like saying, two people or going to get into a ring with no prior fighting experience but the other person is a virus for the other person. the person that trains (gets the vaccination) is way more likely to win against the person that doesnt train (doesnt get the vaccination). however this article does put across some valid views, for example it was talking about mercury being in some vaccinations and yes mercury can be dangerous for the body, even exposures of just 1mcg of mercury can produce toxic effects in the body and can lead to other things like blood poisoning, c.f.s., etc. it was also talking about how even if you get a flu vaccine you can still get the flu… DUH!!… the vaccine takes about 2-3 weeks before it can actually start taking effect, your antibodies need time to learn and grasp the understand of the shape of the strain of flu you were vaccinated with, plus in this time the chances are you could even have the flu, the symptoms won’t show up over night they can just sit their inside cells feeding and reproducing and then when someone coughs near you or sneezes near you or you may eat or drink something funny and then you have to flu, because the virus is just sitting inside the blood cells where it can hide and then when there is a sudden increase from the extremities (nose, eyes, mouth) you get sick because those cells burst open releasing virus into your body… this is almost like what the Trojans did with the wooden horse. plus the flu virus is constantly changing and mutating one week your body can defend against it but the next it could have changed completely, and then there is also the fact that there is more than just a few different strains of flu, there are three classes of the influenza virus class A, B, C. within these classes are quite a lot of different, constantly changing strains of the flu (thank you charles darwin for the theory of evolution). lets also not forget majority of the time you think you have the flu, 90% of the time it is just a bad cold, the actual influenza virus produces more severe symptoms, causing 250,000 to 500,000 deaths annually, you can get vaccinated from the flu but you could probably still get a cold now and then. unfortunately for the fetal deaths rising, it is a very sad thing having a miscarriage. but the vaccines wont play a serious part in this, yes after getting vaccinated you bodies anti bodies will be a bit pre-occupied and so your immune system may be weak, but we also have to take into account what goes on around the pregnant woman during the 9 months of pregnancy, anything can lead to miscarriages, a bump on the mother stomach at the wrong time, smokers living around then, a couple too many drinks now and then… heck sometimes a womans body is just not strong enough to endure it at that point in time and she can have a miscarriage… its a sad thing, that unfortunately regardless of vaccinations is increasing whether we like it or not, sometimes it can just happen. now to the government, i dislike the government just as much as the next person but i do understand that the only way health care industries get money is to charge for health care, the government seem to have other ideas for there money and its not easy for the health care industries to just come up with the right prescription medication that they need. they need to find, in some cases produce it and then pay for it, the machinery, equipment and the mixtures to produce vaccines and medication or not cheap at all, it is very expensive but yet people want to go out and buy expensive houses and expensive cars and expensive jewelry and then complain about the money charge for vaccines and medication, the health care companies and industries need the money to keep going, if they don’t get the money they need to a lot of people don’t get the vaccines and medication they need. lets also bring up the fact that vaccines and prescribed medication is free until the age of 18 (in the UK the US may do things differently) so that means when you get vaccines, medications or not… its free. after that you dont have to pay for the medication they suggest, if you dont want it, just because you get sick doesnt mean you need to go to the doctors, you have a cold but they’ll prescribe you co-codamol for £30 or something at the hospital, when you can get it over the counter for less, or even better go home make your self some herbal or any tea, but no milk and no sugar maybe a spoon of honey drink it slowly and calmly so you dont upset your stomach and the have a warm shower and climb into bed and rest, few days later you’ll be fine. you dont have to pay for vaccines if you dont want them, which is a point made by the argument (kinda).its not exactly a reason to say no to vaccines but if money is a problem then you dont have to get a vaccination.

  • Chester M.

    I’m bad-mouthing it, as ti is a total crock of crap cherry picking stats completely out of context without even trying to find an actual reason to statistical differences. I can find a statistical difference in the number of people wearing seatbelts in car crashes. The VAST majority of people involved in car crashes were wearing their seatbelt at the time of the incident. So seatbelts impede driving ability and/or cause crashes? That’s the kind of assumptions the article makes, and if you’re too stupid to see how that’s bad science then too bad.

  • Adam Alander

    Ha ha OK bud, your right. There is nothing to fear about the pharmaceutical industry, they have our best interests at heart. I’ve had “discussions” with people like you before. But as much as l’d like to continue bantering with you I’d rather give myself a thousand paper cuts and pour lemon juice in them. Even still I guarantee it wouldnt be as bad for me as is what is contained in many Vaccines.. Ha ha ha. Sometimes I wonder where this world is headed…

  • Rusty Golden

    last time i got a flu shot it nearly killed me , the whole batch in loveland CO was tainted with syney flu virus

  • Carmen Cini

    Agree with you completely. If people just took the time to read and investigate they will see governments, pharmaceutical company’s and large corporations on the whole ARE NOT doing things for our own good! Only ignorance will say anything contrary to that. We can arguing and debate until the proverbial cows come home but nothing teaches us more than history and educating ourselves of the truth.

  • don juan

    mercury metabolized from ethylmercury has a much longer half-life in the brain, at least 120 days, it appears to be much less toxic than the inorganic mercury produced from mercury vapor, for reasons not yet understood.[4]

    doesnt sound safe to me ? sorry “bs feet” i call you BS LMAO!! HAHAHA

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  • The_sheesh

    Are you a physician or work in the drug industry? Do you actually know what is in each vaccine? I’m sure all the “research” you have done is from sources such as this website and avoids unbiased sources, because unbiased sources show significantly different results than presented here.

  • The manufacturing of vaccines “may” be clean, but not sterile. It is unlikely you know what is contaminating vaccines, and that is a large problem.

  • Rico Anthony

    I find this article to be very persuasively written. It has a lot of emotional appeal. Unfortunately, most of that emotion is fear. It relies heavily on “don’t trust Big Brother” and the supportive comments seem to be un-trusting people. The sources are borderline fraudulent. If you turned in a paper with these sources as your support, it would fail. Your credible sources either support none of your argument or were in favor of vaccination. The only source close to acceptable was another article on this website, which is not a credible source, and only because she did her homework.
    I support vaccinations and only read this article because I was hoping for something thought-provoking; I was disappointed.

  • Rico Anthony

    You don’t have to fear diseases your children have been vaccinated against. Yes, there is a chance they could get them if they came in contact with them, but their bodies will have antibodies to fight the diseases, giving them a better survival rate. It is the un-vaccinated children that would suffer.

  • Sk

    Hmm. Well smartass if the vaccines you ignorantly inject your innocent children with work so well, I’m not sure my ‘dumbass’ decision to not vaccinate my child will harm yours in any way. If vaccines are so highly efficient then you’ve got nothing to worry about.

  • Stephanie

    It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that toxins in ANY amount are never good for your body. Mercury is extremly harmful to a human. Thus, one can easily conclude that no level in ones body is safe. Duh.

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  • giantcatbear99

    You don’t understand how vaccines work.

  • giantcatbear99

    The toxicity of any substance is directly related to the amount you take in. Many “toxic” substances are perfectly harmless at low doses, and even water becomes “toxic” if you have too much of it in you.

  • giantcatbear99

    There is no thimerosal in any of the vaccines given to children, so there would be no need.

  • giantcatbear99

    You are partially correct, but again there is no evidence thimerosal is harmful in the quantities in which it is administered in vaccinations. As a Brit I initially assumed it would be the same as here – where no vaccinations on the childhood schedule contain thimerosal – but to clarify, from the FDA website:

    “Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine. A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (≥ 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose.”

    Of course, if you really wanted to ingest a significant amount of mercury, eating a single portion of most fish will do the job far better than a vaccination…

  • One passes through the alimentary tract (fish) whilst the other is absorbed into the muscle tissue (vaccine). Certainly there is a difference between injecting and ingesting.

    I would encourage you to read the candid discussion that took place between CDC / Industry leaders in regard to thimerosal. Do a search for the “Simpsonwood Document” and spend the time to read it.

  • disqus_E799Vnu5KU

    you get more mercury from eating tuna

  • You don’t inject tuna.

  • James Smith

    You’re an idiot and that’s a fact.

  • Rico Anthony

    I guess it must be true since you said it was a fact.

  • barngroverl

    maybe so, but if you look at how many times it is given, it means a lot, not to mention it goes straight into your blood stream and directly affects your
    . It completely kills them in fact. Vaccines are all part of a big business deal nothing more. They are causing more harm than good, and one day that will be seen and obvious, but it will be too late. God gave us a perfect defense system and man is screwing it up.

  • Angel Rodriguez

    This was very helpful and you helped me do my language arts project on how flu shots are bad. Thank you.

  • SelenaGomez/UrmiDevi

    When I get a flu shot, I get sick all the time! I’m not lying, it is true. This year I am not taking the flu shot, last year I did.

  • SelenaGomez/UrmiDevi >

    Do you agree with me? Or you don’t agree with me?

  • SelenaGomez/UrmiDevi

    Your wrong! They do cause cancer, because cigarettes is smoking.

  • Guest

    They are not referring to ads. They are talking about that javascript popup, after the page loads to either like on Facebook or subscribe. Those annoying things that you have to X out of. Every damn website feels the need to annoy readers anymore. Not everyone has Facebook, nor do they want their emails full of newsletters, when they can just come to the site whenever they want to. Regarding ads, if they are not excessive nor block out the content, or installing malware/spyware on everyone’s computer, then I have no problem with those.

  • elnura
  • elnura

    CDC Caught Hiding Data Showing Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism

    Thimerosal Papers
    Papers Showing a Connection Between Thimerosal Exposure and Neurological Harm

    Notice that these studies go back to 1931. You need to stop misleading people before you thoroughly research a topic as important as mercury. This is what mercury does in a body:

    How Mercury Destroys the Brain – University of Calgary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtFsy0rQsak

    Doctors used to say SMOKING did not cause any damage to the human body also:

    What Cigarette Do You Smoke Doctor? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUZI0vE0FM

  • sabelmouse

    not very well!

  • Brian Johnson

    the year after the First World War ended a flu epidemic killed several million worldwide

  • EMC

    I have seen both sides of the spectrum. I have found proponents for the flu vaccination (and I am talking about both the “educated” and the “uneducated” proponents) to be equally as driven by fear to get the flu shot as those who refuse it. I have a sister who had temporary paralysis in her legs minutes just minutes after receiving a shot. And this year I caught the flu. I did not get the shot. Do you want to know the irony? I caught it from my flu-vaccinated husband. I felt really sorry for him, too. He had a more severe case and suffered much longer than I did. This whole flu-vaccination-thing has gotten to be like religion and politics. There is voodoo on both sides. Live without fear with eyes wide open. Build your immune system. That is the key. We live in a scary world, but we don’t have to live afraid….or angry at the party on the other side.

  • Bluest moon


  • Jill

    That’s a great analogy sweetie with the boxing but there are other ways to train.

  • no flu shot

    My reason for not getting the shot is the last one I had put me in the hospital for 24 days and almost killed me. the definition of irony, getting a shot so you don’t get sick and it ruins your health.

  • Dr. Mom

    Peer reviewed pub meds…not in the favor if tyrannical vax pushers…save this and pay it forward, you will most definitely be asked for your pub med papers to earn a seat at their table. Give it to em.
    Vaccines harm and destroy lives…keep refuting their propaganda…

  • Lou

    The bottom line on the “Seasonal Flu” is you do NOT want protection from ONLY the seasonal flu. You want protection from ALL VIRAL infection. The “Seasonal Flu” is a minor, UNKNOWABLE apriori, subset of VIRAL INFECTION.

    Vitamins D and C, in ADEQUATE AMOUNTS will protect you from ALL VIRAL INFECTIONS.

    It is just this simple and difficult.

    There are TWO things to protect against here the toxic “flu vaccination” and the common usually harmless seasonal flu. This protocol does both.


  • Lou

    OMG NO!

    What happened in 1918 is very important because we are about to see a rerun. A very good defense against the up coming Political Pandemic is to UNDERSTAND just what happened in 1918.

    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie—
    deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent,
    persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the
    comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
    John Fitzgerald Kennedy (1917–1963)

    “In 1918 those treated in the US by Osteopathic physicians had a mortality rate that was 20 times less than those treated by regular physicians. The standard treatment used by allopathic physicians was ASPIRIN to reverse fever and COUGH SUPPRESSANTS to stop coughing. A fever and a cough are defenses that help us cope with invading agents. Hobbling these defenses meant that those with the flu had less ability to cope and died at a rate 20 times greater than those who avoided aspirin and other drugs.” Doctor Harold Magoun, JAOA 2004, Note in 1918 “vaccinations” NOT a virus are what often got you sick in the first place

    “By 1918, an important study appeared in Rockefeller Institute’s Journal of Experimental Medicine. [9] Physician Herbert Windsor Wade, an American investigator working out of the Department of Pathology and Bacteriology at the University of the Philippines’s College of Medicine and Surgery, doubted that a virus had anything to do with Influenza.” Influenza: How A Microbe Was Repackaged and Sold as Being a Virus


  • Lou

    “Vaccines save lives. Case in point, small pox.”

    This is the MYTH. Please learn the history of “vaccination”.

    “By 1853, Parliament began passing laws to make the untested vaccine compulsory throughout the British Empire. Other countries of Europe
    followed suit. Once the economic implications of compulsory vaccinations were realized, few dared to disagree. Then, as now, the media were controlled by the vaccine manufacturers and the government, who stood to make huge money from the sale of these spurious vaccines…” Tim O’Shea, D.C.

    “In 1853 England introduced compulsory vaccination. Before this time the highest death rate from smallpox was 2000 for any two year period. However 20 years later there were 23,062 deaths in England and Wales with smallpox spreading over Europe in all the countries where vaccination was practiced on a large scale. During the same epidemic in Germany 124,948 people died of smallpox. Of the 155 persons admitted to the Smallpox Hospital in the Parish of St. James, Piccadilly, 145 had been vaccinated.” Doctor Phillip Incao MD

    “Small pox vaccinations were actually shown to increase the likelihood of small pox outbreaks. The Smallpox Hospital in London reported a steady, alarming increase in smallpox incidents after the established practice of immunizations. The incidence of smallpox began at five percent at the beginning of the century, rising to 44 percent in 1845, 64 percent in 1855,
    78 percent in 1865, 90 percent in 1875 and 96 percent in 1885.”
    More Vaccines or Better Nutrition Prevents Disease?

    “Vaccination programs in the late 19th and early 20th century decimated the populations of many countries where government sponsored vaccination programs were introduced. Japan suffered 48,000 deaths from smallpox vaccination; England and Wales experienced 45,800 smallpox deaths in a population that was 97% vaccinated against smallpox. Australia and Germany combined with a total of 120,000 deaths from the very smallpox for which they had been vaccinated. European deaths amongst the vaccinated portion of the population totaled 3,000,000. Deaths from smallpox vaccination programs began to decline when a revolt against mandatory vaccination programs emerged from the chaos. Within twenty years mandatory smallpox vaccination laws in England were repealed. In 1919 the death rate from smallpox promptly plummeted to a total of 28 deaths in a population of almost 40,000,000 people. Previously, with mandatory vaccinations they had averaged over 44,000 deaths from smallpox.” Vaccination History


  • Lou

    No and neither do you or I. The “Vaccine Industry” does not understand how “vaccines” work either. Yes they have superficial NON-VALIDATED THEORIES. “Vaccination” is a black art that NO ONE understands. This is why honest Clinical Trials are so IMPORTANT.

    Too bad honest Clinical Trails CANNOT be done.

    “Researchers at the Mayo Clinic set out to determine whether the flu vaccine was effective in reducing the number of hospitalizations for all children and especially the ones with asthma. The study involved 263 children who were evaluated from six months to 18 years of age, each of whom had had laboratory-confirmed influenza between 1996 to 2006. The investigators determined which children had and had not received the flu vaccine, their asthma status, and who did and did not require hospitalization. Records were reviewed for each subject with influenza-related illness, for
    flu vaccination preceding the illness, and hospitalization during that illness. They found that children who had received the flu vaccine had three times he risk of hospitalization, as compared to children who had not received the vaccine. In asthmatic children, there was a significantly higher risk of hospitalization in subjects who
    received the The Influenza Vaccine, as compared to those who did not .”


  • Lou

    “Coincidence, I think not. Never again!”

    Yes once some hundreds of millions of us either get seriously sick from “vaccination” or KNOW of SOMEONE who has gotten seriously sick or god forbid DIED of “vaccination” this VACCINATION PLAGUE may be over.

  • Lou

    Are you aware this “62% effective” refers to the % of “vaccinated” who successfully produce “antibodies” to the “vaccine target”?

    The 62% does NOT REFER to the % of those “vaccinated” who avoid the disease targeted against.

    “Vaccination produced antibodies” have NEVER been Clinically demonstrated to prevent disease.

    Why is it that 99% of us do not know this basic “vaccination” knowledge that the CDC has semantically set up to deceive us? Perhaps because that is what the CDC intended?

    Please think about it, if the CDC is deceiving us about this simple definition of disease “protection” WHAT the HELL else are they deceiving us on? .

  • Lou

    “There are numerous studies and there has never been any concrete
    evidence that the level of mercury present in the vaccine causes any
    harm to the human body.”

    The average “flu shot” contains 100 Billion mercury atoms.



  • Lou

    “the vaccine takes about 2-3 weeks before it can actually start taking effect,”

    No the effects are almost instantaneous. Doctor Chopra describes the “vaccination” as being akin to a grenade being thrown into your body. White blood cells spring into action and TRY to mop up all the POISONS.

    “When you inject a non human protein, which are contained in ALL vaccines, into the human body the body goes berserk; all your systems, endocrine glands, bone marrow spin out of control. Your body begins to
    produce antigens to all the proteins in the vaccine. Your body sets up
    auto-immunity, diabetes, autism, ms and many other diseases. Nature does not permit the injection of foreign proteins into the human body or the body of any species.” Vaccine Expert Doctor Shiv Chopra


  • Lou

    “Getting a shot so you don’t get sick and it ruins your health.”

    Oh if you only knew how UNIVERSALLY appreciable this is to ALL of “health care”. Obama Care will soon be MANDATING all sorts of things that will kill you sometimes slowly and imperceptibly such as “vaccines”, radiation and other “testing”.

    Folks we had better learn to do it ourselves. We have NO choice.

  • Lou

    Tuna is easily avoided.

  • Lou
  • Lou

    “Live without fear with eyes wide open. Build your immune system. That is the key. We live in a scary world, but we don’t have to live
    afraid….or angry at the party on the other side.”

    Very well said.

    When I seek to inform others who may believe in “vaccination” I am talking to myself some 30 years ago.

  • Lou

    “You don’t have to fear diseases your children have been vaccinated against.”

    Yes and you don’t not have to fear them before the “vaccination” or if your child is not “vaccinated”. FEAR and AUTHORITY are the DRIVERS for “vaccination”




    “Vaccination” is a deadly myth calculated to get the NEEDLE in our arms. What is in the syringe? Ah that is the question.

  • Lou


    The question is always WHAT constitutes a SMALL amount. “Vaccine” manufacturers do not have to list amounts of mercury less than one microgram; quite a harmless sounding amount. Guess how this amount of mercury is listed on the ingredients: as “an impurity”.

    One microgram of mercury contains about 4 billion mercury atoms. Do you believe 4 billion atoms of mercury should be going into your child each and every month?


  • Lou

    “Using your own logic then it could be easily argued that “Most people
    that ‘die from vaccine injuries’ did NOT die from vaccines injuries but
    from other underlying illnesses.” Feel free to point out the error in my

    Gladly before the age of “vaccination” most who died of “the seasonal flu”, in reality ANY viral infection, were the elderly whose immune system was failing and would soon die of ANY immune assault.

    We now have healthy babies dying of SIDS, “vaccination caused SIDS.

    “While recording breathing of a number of babies, many of
    them were vaccinated and we could see within one hour the effect of vaccination
    on the stress level in breathing on our computer printouts. This started me off
    to initiate a thorough research of vaccination issues as published in referenced
    medical journals of the likes of the Lancet, British Medical Journal, New
    England Journal of Medicine etc. and resulted in the documentation of the causal
    link between administration of a great variety of vaccines and serious reactions
    including permanent brain damage and death. Indeed, vaccination is the single
    biggest cause of SIDS.” Doctor Viera
    Scheiber PhD


  • Lou

    “It would be extremely rare and unusual for you to get sick from a strain not found in the vaccine.”

    NO this is incorrect and understanding WHY it is incorrect is the KEY to understanding why the “seasonal flu shot” is not and can never be the answer to “the seasonal flu”.

    Please take the considerable time to read and UNDERSTAND this treatise on “the seasonal flu”.

    “Influenza vaccines protect against infection and illness caused by the three influenza viruses in the vaccine that research indicates will be most common this season.Flu vaccines will NOT protect against infection and illness caused by other viruses that can also cause influenza-like symptoms. There are many other viruses besides influenza that can result in influenza-like illness* (ILI) that spread during the flu season.” CDC Note even this is misleading the viruses that may give you the “seasonal flu” do not have to be circulating during “flu season” they just have to be present in your body; you may have contracted them DECADES ago and your “seasonal flu” may actually be infection by SEVERAL viruses.


  • Lou

    “It would be extremely rare and unusual for you to get sick from a strain not found in the [Seasonal Flu} vaccine.”

    NO this is incorrect and understanding WHY it is incorrect is the KEY
    to understanding why the “seasonal flu shot” is not and can never be
    the answer to “the seasonal flu”.

    Please take the considerable time to read and UNDERSTAND this treatise on “the seasonal flu”.

    “Influenza vaccines protect against infection and illness caused by
    the three influenza viruses in the vaccine that research indicates will
    be most common this season.Flu vaccines will NOT protect against
    infection and illness caused by other viruses that can also cause
    influenza-like symptoms. There are many other viruses besides influenza
    that can result in influenza-like illness* (ILI) that spread during the
    flu season.” CDC Note even this is misleading the viruses that may give
    you the “seasonal flu” do not have to be circulating during “flu
    season” they just have to be present in your body; you may have
    contracted them DECADES ago and your “seasonal flu” may actually be
    infection by SEVERAL viruses. The simple truth is “the seasonal flu” is
    in fact a VIRAL INFECTION; it could be any one of the more than 250
    human viruses or bio-weapons that can inhabit the human body. You want
    protection from ALL VIRAL INFECTION. Vitamins D and C in adequate
    amounts give this protection the “flu shot” does NOT.


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  • chrissy

    agreed. It takes true character to have an open mind. People are so blinded it’s humorous to these facilities that purposely experiment on us. Spread the word and keep the faith.

  • chrissy

    What do you honestly think their out there to help us? Do research before criticizing.

  • Deidre

    If your kids are vaccinated and you trust in vaccines, why are you afraid that your kids will get sick from unvaccinated children? Shouldn’t their vaccines keep them protected?

  • Deidre

    All the pro-vaxers are saying, “Well, science says it works so it works.” That’s all there is to it. They offer no more to the argument… I haven’t read one logical pro-vaccine fact that has made me reconsider my decision to avoid vaccines. Go ahead and get all the drugs you want pumped into your system, but if I choose not to do so, I shouldn’t be liable for a freaking witch hunt. My body, my decision. If you got your shots and believe in the vaccine, then you must believe you are protected from the diseases you think my unvaccinated self is carrying around.

  • Lou

    “Well, science says it works so it works.” That’s all there is to it.”

    IMO forget all about “the science”. We have been lied to forever. In the USSA of today EVERYTHING is being USED politically including “science”.

    How about looking at the EVIDENCE. What does this evidence show?


    What is it shows me is that the wonderful “flu shot” is killing our children.

  • Mdillon

    This is a ridiculously biased article. Try putting some real fact, backed up by references, a number of peer reviewed papers, and proven articles.

    Vaccinations are for the health and safety of the public. The only reason measles and other viruses are popping up now, is because parents aren’t vaccinating either themselves or their children.
    Be smart. Keep your children safe.

    Doctors are trying to HELP you. Not harm you…..
    This “no vaccine” argument is based out of paranoia, and unreferenced opinions.
    As a med student… I really can’t beg parents enough, to rethink the “no vacc” movement. Educate yourselves thoroughly please… Not through articles like this.

  • Lou

    “The only reason measles and other viruses are popping up now, is because parents aren’t vaccinating either themselves or their children.”

    90% of Those Infected with Measles in New York Outbreak Are Vaccinated


    If we have a population of 100 kids with measles and 90 are
    “vaccinated” and 10 are not, given the wonderfullness of “vaccination” I
    would expect far more of the unvaccinated to catch measles something
    like 90 unvaccinated and 10 vaccinated.

    UNLESS of course “vaccination” does not prevent the target disease at all, in which case we find 90% of those with measles were “vaccinated/poisoned”.

    “Doctors are trying to HELP you. Not harm you…..”

    Well Sir if YOU want to help perhaps you may want to consider NOT becoming a Pediatrician because if you do you will be FORCED to inject children with known poisons.

  • someonewithabrain

    thedailysheeple.com is not a credible reference. Fail

  • Lou

    Well Sir perhaps you can give me some “credible” information on the twenty people recently infected with measles in NYC.

    What you will find is how many ways can I ignore the FACT that 18 out of the twenty are VACCINATED. “Vaccination” FAIL..

  • Jessica

    So most arguments on this page seem to be that well if vaccinations work so well, why are people still getting the disease and there are two reasons:

    1) People like you aren’t vaccinated nor are your children so they are getting sick with diseases we have learned to control and letting them mutate because your body isn’t able to fight it because your body HAS no immune response to it already, unlike those who have been vaccinated. Why do you think people can’t catch chicken pox a second time? Your body builds up memory B and T cells to fight against this virus so if it’s introduced into your body again, it can fight it off quicker. EXCEPT, now, because non vaccinated people are getting infected with these diseases and letting them mutate, they are becoming immune to vaccines we’ve already developed. The immune viruses can then infect anybody, even if they are already vaccinated.

    2) Vaccinations, as I’ve said, help your body store up memory B and T cells to fight against diseases. Even if you have a vaccination, the virus can still make its way into your body and if it reproduces fast enough, can make you sick. With a vaccination though, your body can fight off the disease quicker, and stop you from suffering from the worse side effects, like death.

    Also, do you know how much 25 micrograms of mercury is? 0.000025 GRAMS. Have you ever measured out a gram of something? Now try to measure out even less than that. That is how much “evil mercury” is in vaccinations. And even that has been phased out of most vaccinations!

  • Bethanie

    How how do u think that most of the argument is “if vaccinations work so well, why are people still getting the disease” did u really read this? And if there’s only a tiny bit of mercury why do we need it at all? I’ve never read a single even semi educated statement made from someone who is pro vaccine either.. But I know people that are anti vaccine that are more educated on the subject than doctors. Did u know doctors only study vaccines for a few days? Yeah seem real legitimate..

  • Considering your immune system can react to adjuvants measured in ng, what is your point?

  • Jones

    Wow, mercury is scary.
    Of course MANY more people die from the flu….

    But wow, mercury is scary….

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  • History repeats

    Really? Do you need someone to hold your hand and explain the statement to you. Put on some big boy pants and re-read her comment.

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  • Mike Jones

    Everyone that believes what this article is saying, please just do me a favor and kill yourself.. The whole anti-vac theories are indeed infectious in themselves.. You are pre-disposed to this no-sence by not having an adequate education and by probably never have even read a single SCIENTIFIC article regarding issues on the subject subject. You all find websites to validate your claims, assume they are true, and thus continuing to validate your claims without ever considering REAL scientific data! Its called confirmation bias. You could argue that I am doing the same, but I have actually considered almost every argument of vaccinations and found REAL scientific data to discard it! The scientific data is not false, because I work for a government agency and know many established scientists that study vaccines. We aren’t trying to make a buck off of your safety and health, because if we were, then don’t you think we would just inject you with pure saline solution!? WHY would we add all this crap to it if it really doesn’t work!? There is NO conspiracy and until you can validate your claims with real scientific facts, just PLEASE go kill yourself…

  • Dennis Rhon

    Can I just point out that in 2009, about 1 million fetal deaths occurred. Now, if there actually was a 4250% increase from 1 million, let’s think about what that actually means. 4,250,000,000 fetal deaths? I was so hoping when I heard that statistic that the world population was 7 trillion, but no, it’s 7 billion, or 7,046,000,000. If that many babies could be born every year, we would have reached a

    Malthusian catastrophe, and I would bet on that happening in the 1800s. If that many babies died, assuming that many babies could be born, the population would be much lower that 7 billion. Since the male to female ratio is 1:1 skewed towards males, how could 3.5 billion women give birth to 4.25 billion babies? Better question, how could 4.25 babies die without the birth rate dropping to zero! I’m confident that the population grew this year, and while there are other points I could focus on, this just came out to me as mind-numbingly wrong.

  • Dennis Rhon

    Oh, big correction, I mean 42,000,000 died, not 4 billion. Fun fact, the birth rate for America was 63 per 1000 women, or 6.3 per 100, meaning 10,117,387 were actually born. I doubt we were as productive in 2013 to be able to produce 52 million babies.

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  • Faye Green

    I only had a flu vaccine once in 1995 when I was working in a daycare. I had such adverse reactions that I thought I was going to die. I went blind that lasted an hour, dizzy and couldn’t walk without stumbling and collapse, I struggled to breath my breaths were so shallow that I was starting to blackout, my muscles were tremor for no reason and it was a warm day. I was home alone, husband was at work and daughter was in grade school and the phone was in the kitchen and I was in the bedroom. I suffered in terror… That is my personal horror story. I never got a flu shot since that incident. I’d rather come down with the flu and have the body build it’s own immunity to fight the bug than get a vaccine that causes problems and health issues.

  • sam

    That’s mature. A government worker telling the people that read a certain article to go kill yourself. I’ll pray for you.

  • dave

    Okay none of those things are true. Vaccines do contain very minor levels of neurotoxic ingredients but the levels are FAR too low to cause problems. Vaccines are totally safe and quite effective. it’s better to get a shot and not get some of the debilitating diseases they protect you from.

  • dave

    about as mature as adults buying into
    this crap.

  • Scott

    “Why would we add all this crap to it if it really doesn’t work”
    The key word here folks is CRAP. Crap is added to our foods, our medicines, our health and beauty care products, even our “fresh fruits and vegetables”. It’s all a load of crap that’s makes our lives shorter and more toxic. No More Crap, No More Crap, No More Crap………….

  • Auntie vaccines
  • Helga Joubert

    My jaw dropped when I read reason #3 about narcolepsy. For the past couple of years I’ve had symptoms, and I finally went to my doctor about it two weeks ago. The most accurately that I can pinpoint when it started, now that I think about it, is about when I started my new job at a hospital. Flu vaccines are pushed hard, and if you don’t get one you have to wear a mask for four months. Last year I wore the mask, but my first year I got the damn shot.

  • Torgo

    This is total bull shit.
    You are a lying piece of crap.

  • Linda

    Meryl Dorey wants your money.
    A clinically insane woman,con artist,thief.

  • Hanna

    It’s Aliens! They took Meryl Dorey to Mars & showed how money could be stolen from dumb hippies.

  • tyrone

    Fuckin liar.

  • Sunshine1995

    Well you may want to take the risk but as for me and my house we are staying clear of any harmful, foreign chemicals. Your choice is your choice. Just don’t lie and state vaccines are safe and effective. I am an RN and have seen many side effects of antibodics, flu vaccines, and everyday”safe to use” medications. So don’t go and mislead anyone with your thoughts.

  • BohemianYogi

    Wow…yeah talk about this person being filled with total hatred for the human race. I can’t even imagine telling someone something so damn horrible like that….I cannot believe we live among people like YOU. It’s scary to think about.

  • Diana Lee Peery

    I received the swine flu vaccine, and since then I have had so many hormonal changes to my body. I now have hypothyroid, high cholesterol, psoriatic arthritis, and fibromyalgia. Thankfully I am now taking back my life with natural products that have already helped me to get off of my cholesterol medication, and lower my thyroid medication. My arthritis and fibromyalgia is also getting better as well. Mercury poisoning causes all of these conditions, but I found a way to get better :D

  • Joel Brothers

    Your statements are so asinine that they are laughable. You obviously know nothing about medicine. This is nothing but fear-mongering paranoia. Flu vaccines are perfectly safe for everyone, and to not get one is socially irresponsible. Without a vaccine, you are providing a vector for the virus.

  • Greta

    I doubt any government agency would ever hire a person, whose arguments begin and end with “just kill yourself”.

  • Johnithan

    Thank you, nice to see some voices of reason here.

  • You didn’t read the CDC’s Communication Director’s document, did you?

  • amcquinn

    My son was vaccine damaged and I made a promise to myself to write a book about it and so I did! http://www.thepathtocure.com

  • amcquinn

    My mother committed suicide and I find your comments outrageously hurtful and upsetting. Also my son was vaccine damaged. I lived a hellish 4.5 years where I thought he would die multiple times, his immune system was so destroyed. http://www.thepathtocure.com

  • No worries. It’s likely “Mike” is not capable of having a rational discussion. It’s obvious from his well-parroted script and anti-social behavior displayed in his comment.

  • Julie Berry Clark

    Are you injecting this tuna? Bypassing the normal protection the body offers, such as the skin, the respiratory system and the GI tract, as well as the immune system–WBC’s and such.
    You are comparing apples to oranges. And BTW, why do they tell pregnant ladies to avoid eating tuna, but by all means get that flu vaccine?!

  • Julie Berry Clark

    I just turned 56 today. When I was a kid, there was no such thing as flu vaccines. And I never, ever had the flu. Since I’ve been an adult, and I’ve been a nurse for 31 years now, the only time I have ever had the flu, was in 2012. My granddaughter’s school (a small private school), offered “free flu vaccines”. Only a few kids got them, one in her class got the FluMist. Two weeks later, one third of the school was out sick—with the flu. Including my granddaughter. By the time we realized she had it, I had already been exposed. She missed 7 days of school, her mom missed 5 days of work and I missed 4. My only bout with flu in 54 years after being around sick people most of my adult life, I get it from a vaccine.
    Oh, guess who didn’t get the flu with us–her baby brother, who was totally unvaccinated. He was around her all the time she was sick, even got one of her snotty kleenexes and put it in his mouth.

  • Dana Browning

    awesome story. no one will believe me! thanks for sharing

  • Dana Browning

    tell that to the 4 nurses I know that are permanently paralyzed from the “mandatory” h1n1 vaccine.

  • Dana Browning

    it they are safe, why did they have to get protection from lawsuits to continue making vaccines? And why is it I almost died from a flu shot. And why is it I know many people personally who are paralyzed from a flu vaccine. I don’t care if you want to get it, even if it makes me sick when you do, but we should all have the FREEDOM of choice if we want the poison or not.
    There is more flu now with the vaccines than there ever was in the pre-fax day.
    by the way, who do you work for??

  • Dana Browning

    increase in fetal loss. aka Spontaneous Abortion. they are not counted in how many babies are born and died.

  • Dana Browning

    I am a nurse. I have been since 1996. if you think I haven’t researched you are silly. I see the affects first hand.
    I hope someday the freedom that you want to take away from others doesn’t come back around to bite you in the ass.
    someday you will have your choice taken away, and you will not like it

  • Dana Browning

    .25 mcg + .025 mg. learn math before you try to argue stupid things

  • Dana Browning

    Vit D and C work for me!
    Not to mention, I think people forget that if you get a flu vaccine, you are more likely to get any and all other circulating viruses all winter. There’s a bunch! I prefer not to kill my immune system

  • sabelmouse

    how many people , who are not compromised already, die from the flu then?

  • Francois Arseneau

    None. But they miss the thousands that die and are not recorded as caused by vaccines cause they’re so awesome. The vaccine trolls are around in full force today.

  • Francois Arseneau

    What a load of bull. You’re saying diseases pop out of the non-vaccinated like a rabbit from a magic hat. Seriously? I suppos you simply missed the fact that the MAJORITY of people getting sick from those diseases are the actually fully and multiple times vaccinated! And the non-vaccinated are laughing out loud, living healthy lives.

  • Francois Arseneau

    A lot more credible that your indoctrinated education, sponsored by big pharma. You can dismiss information all you want facts are facts. The vaccinated are always sicker.

  • Joel Brothers

    The CDC states that the flu shots are perfectly safe, and that there is no good reason for not getting one. Look up their website.

  • Joel Brothers

    The ‘4 nurses’ story cannot be verified. The ‘nurses’ in question appear not to exist. If there are people who had problems after a flu shot, it is from other medical issues unrelated to the vaccines, which are perfectly safe.

  • Joel Brothers

    The ‘CDC Communication Directors’ document is a hoax. The CDC has never put out any official statements contraindicating the flu vaccine.

  • Joel Brothers

    If you are really a nurse, then you know you cannot get the flu from the vaccine. People who get the flu after the vaccination were either already exposed, or exposed before the vaccine was able to take effect (around 10-14 days). I am skeptical, because a real nurse would not spread such disinformation. If you are a nurse, you should lose your license.

  • D.L.

    I think you should learn some math. 25 micrograms (10^-6) = 0.025 milligrams (10^-3) = 0.000025 grams.

  • Lou
  • Lou

    A CDC article concludes the more educated the parents the less “vaccines” their children get.

    Pediatricians know almost nothing about “vaccination” except for the CDC propaganda they are force fed.

  • Lou

    1) People like you aren’t vaccinated nor are your children: About 85% of most recent outbreaks of hospitalized seasonal flu, pertussis and mumps are in “VACCINATED” children.

    2) Vaccinations, as I’ve said, help your body store up memory B and T cells to fight against diseases.: Please provide me a single honest clinical trial demonstrating this. You cannot; this is MYTH. “vaccines” produce antibodies and NOTHING else; that is their testing end point. “Vaccination” produced antibodies have NEVER been demonstrated to prevent disease.

    Also, do you know how much 25 micrograms of mercury is? 0.000025 GRAMS.: Yes and do YOU know how many mercury atoms that is? 100 billion each and every atom that is constantly damaging your body.


  • TJC

    Vaccines are not 100% effective, but you ignorantly assume that means they are 0% effective. The MMR vaccine, for example, is nearly 100% effective, but there is still a slight chance it did not work for a particular child. It is prudent to avoid potentially dangerous diseases even if one has been vaccinated.

  • TJC

    This is BS. Anyone with a background in immunology knows how vaccines work. Just read the wikipedia article for starters

  • TJC

    Where do anti-vaccination people get their information? Answer: Random internet articles run by conspiracy theorists, celebrities, and snake-oil salesmen. Pro-vaccination people are on the side of thousands of scientists and scientific organizations many of whom do not have any connection to pharmaceutical companies. They use experimental evidence, observational studies, etc. with good statistics. Anti-vaccination people use anecdotal evidence, no statistics, and make scientific claims that can be proven to be factually inaccurate

  • TJC

    But they study it from credible sources. If your information isn’t credible then it’s garbage. Garbage in means garbage out. No amount of study using factually inaccurate and misleading sources is as good as brief study from a reliable sources. I suspect that people’s biases cause them to read articles that only support their preconceived notion. They may read 100s of such articles but that doesn’t mean they have done real research. I have taken PhD level courses on vaccines. I know how they work and I support them. Every medical doctor and biologist I know vaccinates themselves and their kids. It’s not a matter of being educated, but of being properly educated.

  • TJC

    It’s not a matter of simply being educated, but having specialized knowledge. Someone with a masters in English might be statistically less likely to vaccinate than someone with only a high school education, but that English degree doesn’t give him any specialized knowledge about vaccines. Ask how many immunologists, MDs, and biologists vaccinate.

  • Sadie

    What about the eradication of smallpox? Memory B and T cells are our antibodies. And for the mercury debate, if you eat deep water fish you eat mercury.

  • sadie

    I have read through lots of arguments here and would just like to put some simple facts our there for all to think about. 1 dose of flu vaccine or any other containing thimerosal ( 46% mercury=25 micrograms) is the equivalent of eating a nice piece of deep water fish or 1 8oz can of tuna. Digestion verses injection. Either way it is absorbed into the blood stream and metabolize the same way. Vaccine are injected into the muscle not the blood stream. For those that need proof that vaccines work keep in mind smallpox has been eradicated due to the aggressive world wide campaign for vaccination.

  • Jared

    “it they are safe, why did they have to get protection from lawsuits to continue making vaccines?”

    Because this is America, where people can get sued for not writing “Caution: HOT!” on a cup of coffee. It’s called CYA.

  • Jared

    For all you tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists, here’s the only video you will ever need to watch on this subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLcOz4EKrxg

  • Jared

    “But I know people that are anti vaccine that are more educated on the subject than doctors.”

    Thinking they are more educated on the subject than doctors does not mean they actually are. You just choose to believe they are because it supports your beliefs. The same way religious people “know more than scientists” about how old the Earth is.

  • Joel Brothers

    That chart has been debunked for years. It did not come from the CDC (hence, no link), but from a wacko named Mary Tocco, who got it from another wacko named Neil Miller, who writes for a lunatic-fringe website called whale.to. The figures are totally bogus and unverifiable. And the CDC has never ‘mandated’ anything. They can’t do that. Only Congress can. They didn’t even recommend that children between 6 months and 18 years old get the vaccine until 2004. Pure rubbish.

  • Bethanie

    Ok you make a point. I’ll take that back. : )
    The rest of my statement still stands.

  • Bethanie

    I would rather talk to someone that actually creates them. and someone that studies the side effects..

  • Julie Berry Clark

    I am a nurse and you can indeed get the flu from the Flumist which is a live virus vaccine just like oral polio vaccine is a live virus vaccine.
    As I said, my granddaughter, daughter and I all got it, beginning with Flumist. If you don’t believe me, a real live nurse, read the package insert.

  • Julie Berry Clark

    You’re welcome!

  • dana

    you, maam, are an idiot.

  • Carol

    For those spouting the cdc’s expertise on vaccines please note, there was just a release of the truth on how these vaccines affected our kids. They purposely deleted data from the studies because it did not support the safety position. Do I really want to trust them now? Oh wait, they will have their hands controlling the Ebola that has never touched American soil before this year but they invited that seriously nearly 100% fatal disease with open arms. I would rather trust that my ex will pay his child support in full and on time and I know that wont happen, ever.

  • Mrs. G

    If I recall the flu in 1918 that killed between 20-40 million people occurred before flu vaccines….

  • Mrs G

    Based on your other posts you are also grossly overweight which causes many of the above problems.

  • Mrs G

    Physicians also see their patientwho receive vaccines for 10-24 hours a day depending on level of training and field. Physicians (and nurses) are trained to think critically and not believe everything “fed to them”. Also educated on correlation versus causation. The strength of research is significantly different between the two.

  • Diana Lee Peery

    You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. I weighed 120 lbs. when I received this injection. From the very first day I received the injection I started to come down with symptoms of mercury poisoning. It wasn’t until 4 years later that I was finally diagnosed with it. I am now being detoxed from the mercury and am finally able to live a normal healthy life.

  • Chivepfloyd

    I wouldn’t be worried about vaccines if I were you either….I mean with diabetes on the horizon and all

  • CorCor

    Jared, I think I love you.

  • Lou

    Please present some honest clinical evidence of a “vaccine” working and killing less kids than it saves.

  • Lou

    Two loud mouths throwing balls and knocking over kids. Yeah that is what “vaccination” is all about. Or close enough for the CDC.

  • Jacob Box

    Not to mention, medical science is not subject to a court of public opinion when it comes to truth. Look up the Scopes Monkey Trial for an example of what I mean.

  • Jacob Box

    Well, I have a phD in public health, I am post doctorate in microbiology, and I read genuine scientific journals. Not really, but neither are you, no study supports what you say, and your tinfoil hat paranoia is costing people their health and in some case their life.

  • Dakota

    I find it funny how everyone on here is all “no these vaccines are perfectly safe and do not give you the sickness you are getting vaccinated for.”
    Well, for starters, a couple years ago I went and got the swine flu vaccine as my parents were worried and didn’t want me getting it. I was the only person in my family to recieve this vaccine, and one of three other people in my small school. Out of my entire town, which is small, I, and those three other people are the only ones out of our entire area to get the swine flu. I had to be quarantined for six weeks due to it, as did the others.
    The next year I recieved the flu vaccination, and again, was the only one in my family to do so, as did most of our school because it was required for some reason. Two days later, I got the flu, along with 75% of the rest of my school. They ended up cancelling school for about two weeks until at least 50% of the students could come back to class. As a side note, none of my family, or anybody that didn’t recieve the vaccination got the flu.
    Because of these experiences I will never get a flu shot again and I am 100% against them.

  • TJC

    you can find data on pubmed:
    here is an article on vaccine saftey, not sure it’s the best. Just the first I found. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/134/2/325.long

    The abstract of this article mentions the incidence rates of severe complications from measles infection (measles is an extremely contagious virus such that the infection rates would be high without vaccination).

    This is not the best or primary article on this, but I have better things to do with my time than do research for you. Go look through http://www.pubmed.com yourself. What kind of evidence would convince you? Or is your belief that vaccines are harmful a religious one?

    The measles vaccine definitely saves more lives than it takes. Every vaccine must be evaluated separately because they all have their own risks/benefits. For example, I wouldn’t recommend the smallpox vaccine because it has some of the more serious side effects and there is very little risk of getting smallpox but it did save a lot of lives when it was used.

  • VNag

    From what I understand Flumist is an attenuated live virus. It is a “virus” that acts as a vessel to get the antigens presented to the immune system. It CANNOT CAUSE the actual flu but it can cause mild “flu-like” symptoms including runny nose, cough, congestion, myalgias.

  • Julie Berry Clark

    Well, tell that to my granddaughter’s school. She missed 7 days of school with the real flu, her momma missed 5 days of work and I missed 4 days of work. We got the flu, and a huge number of students and faculty were out with the flu.

  • Shawn Sampson

    I was unaware that Pen and Teller were experts in the field of pathology… Provide me unedited in depth studies… Not likely to find those studies when they are controlled by individuals who tend to profit from the sales of such vaccines.

  • mevans2460

    Wow I am a PhD biochemistry candidate and I must say, the level of incompetence of the people on the website is staggering…..

  • Bryce

    Without an explanation your comment is worthless.

  • jon

    its sounds like ur a little retarded too from the vaccines

  • jon

    its immunology, not pathology. hahaha, instead of me giving you papers on the subject which i could give you literally thousands, that all support vaccines. WHy dont you go talk to people who spend their lives learning about viruses and bacteria. Microbiologist, immunologist, generally any doctor. and 98 % of them will tell you how wonderful vaccines are! BC there the only ones that understand what trully a vaccine is and why it works, bc they understand the science behind it, Its called logic and reason, use it sometime

  • Lzo

    ha ha ha thats a good one!

  • PC

    Guys- don’t engage w the trolls…. It just angers them causing them to spew more lies out of desperation

  • Jaakko Määttä

    Thiomersal was removed as precauion due the doubts whether it would be harmful or not. Later the causal relationship was not established.

    The compound thimerosal is mercury, butless toxic than methylmercury (Magos et al 1985). Many studies have found methylmercury more neurotoxic than thiomersal. People are using the studies about the wrong compound to justify claims about the neurotoxicity of thiomersal. Also thimerosal is removed from body much faster (Pichichero ME, et al. Lancet 360:1737-1741 (2002))

    The neurotoxicity of mercury has not been found in lower doses. People who are allergic tomercury experience basic allergic symptons, which are not acute and definitely do not causedamage in the central nervous system.

    The studies which have used thiomersal or methylmercury study the effects of these subctances in muchhigher concentrations. For example Axton (1972) studied the effect of 1000 times the properdose of thimerosal. The smallest does found in medical literatury, which has caused the symptons of mercury poisoning is 3mg/kg of thimerosal. This is over 100 times bigger the 25 micrograms of mercury in vaccinations. In these low dose poisonings, there was no central nervous system damage observed, which would have led to autism kind of symptons. Some of the studies even examined the effect in infant (Fagan et al. 1977). The overall result was that the symptons of mercury poisoning are nothing like the ones of autism and you do not get any mercury poisonining like symptons from 100 times smaller doses.

    Dr. Gary Goldman looked in his study only 2 years period, when the statistics were present from longer period, still he decided not use them. The countries picked for the study were selected badly. He compared countries with smallest fetal death rates with the highest. Countries with higher fetal death rates were not even included! Why?

    Basically reasons 1 and 2 were incorrect.

    The narcolepsy case was unfortunate. Only people with certain genetic makeup were likely to get the disease. That particular vaccination was poorly designed and there is no reason to blame all vaccinations. Pharmaceutical companies indeed took responsibility. There was 100 millions euros of payments.

    Shed vaccine viruses can be transmitted from vaccine recipients to unvaccinated persons in rare cases. Serious illnesses have not been reported among unvaccinated persons who have been infected inadvertently with vaccine viruses.

  • will

    The only years I’ve ever had the flu are years I’ve had the vaccine. That’s enough for me. I’ll never get one again. You can tell me I’m crazy, but follow the money and you’ll see another damn good reason not to trust.

  • Wtf is dis

    This is satire, right?

  • Uncle

    I feel like my IQ dropped 10 points reading this article. At least it was a good laugh at how asinine some conspiracy theorists are. So thanks for that.

  • sandraleesucks

    Thank you. Your sources are CDC, the small print they don’t think anyone will read since the Dr. assures the patient it is “perfectly” safe. Sigh. Hand washing, good sleep, healthy and nutritious food and keeping up your vitamin D level has been PROVEN to be more effective then the toxin filled shot they hand out.

  • Jamie

    I thought we were talking about a basic flu vaccine. I don’t get the yearly flue vaccine ’cause I don’t like unnecessary shots. P&T are talking about far more serious diseases that kill/mame even if you’re relatively strong. So, I don’t see how the video you reference applies to these particular brands of tin-foil hat. Cute video, though. I like P&T.

  • MamaKnowsBest

    “As in previous reports, the June 15, 2014, report covering a 3-month period shows that the flu vaccine is the most dangerous vaccine in America.”


    Joel, just Google, “4 nurses are permanently paralyzed from the “mandatory” h1n1 vaccine” and you will see everything you’re denying is true!

  • MamaKnowsBest

    Wow, do you need a saucer of milk or what? Nothing like personally attacking a person over their weight to make you feel snarky and satisfied? You must be a liberal, that’s the way they handle everything.

  • Josh

    Well when people listen to a blogger, instead of listening to their doctor/pharmacist who has a doctorate, what do you expect? Just here for laughs!

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  • sheri

    I got my vaccine thursday and by bedtime i was sicker than I’ve ever been. I’ve missed work and been in bed all weekend. I’ve been through cancer. Chemo was easier than this. I’ll never ever do this again. These things should be banned. And i have a damn good reason.

  • Ashley

    Wow. This was a joke right? This article as no basis is science whatsoever. The Piers Morgan bit had me rolling though…”Did the flu vaccine cause him to get the flu? You can decide for yourself on this one.” dun dun duuuun!!

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  • tom thumb

    Good then go get a shot and stop complaining no one cares about your science or opinion for that matter.

  • tom thumb

    No it just proves you are Livestock and a Test Dope.

  • tom thumb

    Prove who you are first…

  • tom thumb

    Umm ya brought to you from the same people who said ” If you like your plan you can keep your plan “

  • Ashley

    Of course I already received my flu vaccine. I owe it to patients and my family to do so. This spreading of fear mongering will be the demise of our society. When people listen to this bs who do not have the scientific knowledge to make informed and rational decisions,

  • Ashley

    …we will see mortality from vaccine preventable illness skyrocket.

  • Uncle

    Wow Tom, you really no how to counter an argument. “No one cares!!! My momma told me it’s bad!!”.

    What are we, twelve?

  • Uncle

    O nice comeback! Instead of arguing with a basis of factual evidence you resort to saying I am livestock. Your debate skills are impressive.

  • Uncle

    If this is true then I am sorry this happened to you. However, one should not make light of cancer and chemo (not saying you did not have to endure this). As someone who has lost his father to cancer, I saw the toll the chemotherapy really does to the body and to compare it to being bedridden for a weekend is idiotic and completely rude.

  • TheTruthForFree

    There are no conspiracy theories whatsoever on taking flu shots. You take them at your own risks. Some of you people have got to be the dumbest or the dumb, or are you bought and paid off? Your ridiculous abilities to simply condemn after investigation hurts your inoculated consciousness. Especially, when it comes to the dissection of facts. Honestly, you’re the very people who’re are holding our society back because of your dilapidated sense and reliance on American medicines. (I read this comment below and LMAO, unbelievable). You will never, ever get the flu through a healthy diet (No GMO’s, No chemicals, no pesticides). I’m living proof. Sometimes the truth is hard to get out because these companies hide the proper knowledge to know this. The author presents evidence that is very simple and straight forward. But yet this is a conspiracy theory? For some of you still stuck in your little lock boxes, I’ve got news for you, the flu shot is not biologically compatible with your bodies DNA and therefore causes nothing but problems down the road (diseases, cancers, etc) . Especially with Mercury or Thermisol. Thermisol is simply a term used to hide Mercury for all of you genius’s. If you still need even more proof on how damaging Mercury is to your bodies functionality, watch the Gerson Miracle on YouTube. It’s free. They go into great detail. After that, if you feel that heavy metals and toxins are good for your bodies to contain immunity, then you simply have no hope. I’m cringing right now.

  • Try Facts

    Actually, Julia is 100% correct that Flumist can indeed cause the spread of the flu. It is a documented fact that Flumist causes the vaccinated person to “shed” the virus, making it entirely possible that a Flumist vaccinated individual can spread the flu, especially with close contact with an individual with a potentially already weakened immune system. (We all know kiddos at daycare are usually teaming with other types of sicknesses, making just one kiddo there the recipient of the “watered down” shedding virus from the Flumist, then the virus is in full raging effect. Some of y’all are just ignorant and should try reading factual data before knocking Julia and some of the others who do know what they are talking about. But, hey, it’s easier to call names and make fun of folks than it is to be intelligent and find out facts, right?

  • . . .

    I bet you’re one of the hypocritical dicks that will turn right around and berate someone for believing everything they read on the internet.

  • . . .

    IN SOME PLACES SCHOOLS REQUIRE THEM? That’s complete bullshit and unnecessary maybe they should think better before they infect every child in the town with the flu. It’d be absolutely hilarious if they do that again. *sarcasm*

  • tina

    I’ve also taken the “healthy diet” route over the past several years, by mainly avoiding ingesting items with sugar during the “flu-season”. I believe in doing this, it has kept my immune system healthier to not develop or at least fight cold-symptoms better & faster. Of course I find it interesting that “flu-season” starts during the month of Halloween, then continues through Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years… and even Valentines Day. (Candy, Cookies, Cake & Pie Holidays) The last time I got the flu, was in late April, when I was suffering from the hayfever season (another season I stay away from sugar), and my immune system was already down, and I got it from co-workers that had the same symptoms, but were baffled that they got sick even when they got the flu shot during flu season. :(

  • . . .

    I, as well, was holding onto life by a string after getting the nasal flu shot in late 2010 and in early 2011 I happened to get Influenza A, influenza B, and strep throat all at the same time. There was the very real possibility to hospitalize me due to my condition but instead the doctor didn’t want us to waste money on my stay there so I was put in strict quarantine in my room for nearly two weeks. Anyone who came in my room had to wear a mask and gloves. It was very serious and awful not to mention at the middle of the second week my grandpa passed away. Afterwards I became depressed and I didn’t care about myself enough to bother to get the vaccine and
    surprise surprise
    I haven’t gotten the flu since.

  • . . .

    It is not skewered to males. If anything it’s skewered to females since females live longer.

  • Virojakal

    “Thiomersal was removed as precauion due the doubts whether it would be harmful or not.”

    Actually …..

    Do the 2014-2015 seasonal flu vaccines contain thimerosal?

    Since seasonal influenza vaccine is produced in large quantities for
    annual vaccination campaigns, some of the vaccine is produced in
    multi-dose vials, and contains thimerosal to safeguard against possible
    contamination of the vial once it is opened.

    The single-dose units
    are made without thimerosal as a preservative because they are intended
    to be opened and used only once. Additionally, the live-attenuated
    version of the vaccine (the nasal spray vaccine), is produced in
    single-dose units and does not contain thimerosal.

    Source: cdc.gov

    Let’s not forget you said this

    “The neurotoxicity of mercury has not been found in lower doses.”


    Thimerosal, an organomercurial added as a preservative to some vaccines,
    is a suspected iatrogenic factor, possibly contributing to paediatric
    neurodevelopmental disorders including autism. We examined the effects
    of early postnatal administration of thimerosal (four i.m. injections,
    12 or 240 μg THIM-Hg/kg, on postnatal days 7, 9, 11 and 15) on brain
    pathology in Wistar rats. Numerous neuropathological changes were
    observed in young adult rats which were treated postnatally with
    thimerosal. They included: ischaemic degeneration of neurons and “dark”
    neurons in the prefrontal and temporal cortex, the hippocampus and the
    cerebellum, pathological changes of the blood vessels in the temporal
    cortex, diminished synaptophysin reaction in the hippocampus, atrophy of
    astroglia in the hippocampus and cerebellum, and positive caspase-3
    reaction in Bergmann astroglia. These findings document neurotoxic
    effects of thimerosal, at doses equivalent to those used in infant
    vaccines or higher, in developing rat brain, suggesting likely
    involvement of this mercurial in neurodevelopmental disorders.

    Source: US National Library of Medicine
    National Institutes of Health

  • Jill

    This is the stupidest article I have ever read. Clearly you have never taken a microbiology course before, you have obvious paranoia issues if you think the CDC or the media is out to destroy us all, and by the way, the influenza killls upwards of 25000 people each year.

  • Ostracized Healthcare Worker

    It’s amazing to me that in all the responses I read, and it is a full page, at least 25 or 30, no one discusses the interests of the pharmaceutical companies. These companies are making millions or maybe billions of dollars off these flu shots every year. They have freely admitted that they take a guess at the flu strains every year and their guess is sometimes incorrect. Does anyone remember that the flu shot has been available for many, many years but they weren’t pushed so vigorously as they are today. Maybe the pharmaceutical companies are just trying to find another way to make more and more money. I work in a major US hospital setting. Luckily I am in the lab, and because I do not have any patient contact, I am not being “forced” to have a flu shot. But it is “highly encouraged” and if I did have direct patient contact I would be “forced” or risk being relocated to a “non patient contact” area. I understand the need for a health care worker who works with newborn babies or immune compromised cancer patients to assist in protecting these individuals but I shouldn’t be “shamed” into complying. If I was in one of the areas I would be happy to comply. Those who have the flu vaccine receive a green badge indicating that they are helping to protect patients while, if I refuse, I will get my red badge of shame that tells everyone that I’m non-compliant and a “bad” person. If I go into the main hospital I have to wear a mask due to my “bad” person status. It is quite ridiculous. I have to go to “flu school” every year if I don’t get my flu shot. I feel like a child being reprimanded. It sounds like a conspiracy theory view but I think we are being brainwashed by the pharmaceutical companies that we can’t live without the flu shot and as the “sheeps” of society play into it they rack up the bucks!!!

  • disqus_tJ1ItcnMRC

    ..still waiting.. China has mandatory vaccinations and has 98% vaccine coverage yet still has outbreaks of so-called vaccine preventable diseases. Get over it. Are you serious with calling non-vaxers “fear mongers”. Read the definition of IRONIC.

  • Travis

    I have taken microbiology before and I’ll tell you now that a man made version of a virus that has adapted and mutated several times since it was recreated in a lab does nothing to improve immunity. Especially if injected directly into the tissue. And btw, the CDC is part of the Dept.of Navy so using fear tactics shouldn’t be that far fetched

  • I publicly challenge you to ingest any form of mercury on video. I pay for it.

  • That goes for every other troll who blabs and regurgitates false propaganda, BTW.

  • Ray

    Please tell me more! How did you learn of this conspiracy?

  • DidNotVoteForObama

    You dont have to be educated to know its all about money.

  • DidNotVoteForObama

    you work for them don’t you

  • DidNotVoteForObama

    thank you! well said

  • kiki

    Just rented/watched this tonight. I am MAD, and you should be too!


  • kiki

    This one’s better, and big pharma didnt fund it.


  • kiki

    And you “Dana” are a paid pharmaceutical SHILL.

  • kiki

    “Jon” aka Paid Pharmaceutical Shill. ^^

  • Guest

    Does anyone here really believe that pharma and the CDC is unaware that the flumist sheds the virus? Of-course they know, and that’s exactly how they make mo’money! If you doubt my words, you are suffering from cognitive dissonance and unfortunately for you… there isnt a vaccine for that -YET.

  • kiki

    Just rented/watched this tonight. Really very good.


  • kiki
  • kiki

    The CDC is in the pharmaceutical giants pockets, now why the HELL would anyone other than one of their own be stupid enough to go to them for reassurance? lol get real.

  • kiki

    Just rented/watched this tonight. Really very good!


  • kiki

    Keep it classy Mrs G, keep it classy.

  • kiki
  • Guest

    The pharmaceutical companies are notorious for hiring internet trolls to hunt for anti-vax articles on the web and promote them. Im sure this post has been infiltrated.

    Just rented/watched this tonight. Really very good! I am MAD, and you should be too!


  • kiki

    The pharmaceutical companies are notorious for hiring internet trolls to
    hunt for anti-vax articles on the web and promote them. Im sure this
    post has been infiltrated.

  • kiki

    “I work for the Government…. PLEASE GO KILL YOURSELF”
    Nuff said.

  • kiki

    He works for the government and he likes their products! LOL!!! Shocker.

  • kiki

    Uh, no most would.

  • kiki

    The pharmaceutical companies are notorious for hiring internet trolls
    to hunt for anti-vax articles on the web and promote them. Im sure this
    post has been infiltrated.


  • kiki

    WRONG. There were only between 600 and 750 influenza deaths recorded annually between 1995 and 1997.
    The most influenza deaths recorded in a single year since 1979 was
    about 2,900 deaths and that was in 2009, the H1N1 swine flu pandemic

    The first experimental influenza vaccines were given to soldiers in
    World War II. It wasn’t until the 1957-58 and 1968-69 influenza
    pandemics that the vaccine was marketed to civilians.
    Between 1970 and 2000, the trivalent influenza vaccine containing two
    strains of type A influenza and one strain of type B influenza was
    primarily recommended for the elderly. That is because respiratory
    infections, especially with pneumonia complications, have always been a
    leading cause of death for people at the end of their life span.

    There was only one deadly influenza pandemic in the last 100 years
    that killed the young and healthy in great numbers and that was the 1918
    Spanish Flu. It turns out that bacterial pneumonia is what killed most
    people, young or old, in the 1918 pandemic. Today, antibiotics would
    have prevented most of those deaths.

    The CDC has been telling the public for nearly a decade that there
    are more than 200,000 estimated hospitalizations and 36,000 estimated
    deaths from influenza in the U.S. every year. But are those figures accurate? Well, it all depends upon use of the word “estimate.” The U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality reported that, in 2004, there were about 37,000 Americans hospitalized for either influenza or another illness in addition to influenza, and patients over age 85 were twice as likely to die. That is because what CDC employees did to come up with their influenza hospitalization “estimate” was to count a lot of people hospitalized between 1979 and 2001 – not just with influenza but also with pneumonia, respiratory and circulatory illnesses – which they counted as probably associated with influenza. Shocking… I know.

    And they got away with it.

    In 2003, CDC employees also used a convoluted statistical modeling
    scheme to “estimate” that 36,000 people die from influenza in the U.S.
    every year. Again, they counted not just influenza death cases but also
    threw in other respiratory, circulatory, cardiac and pulmonary deaths
    they thought MIGHT have been associated with influenza.

    And they got away with it.

  • notanidiot

    The level of BS in this article is neurotoxic

  • Mike Amerine

    Perhaps you should attempt to read the statement, particularly the part that said “I’ve been through cancer. Chemo was easier than this.” I know, it’s nice to play the “offended” card, but there was nothing in her statement that wasn’t a direct testament to personal experience. Now, on the other hand, you calling her “idiotic and completely rude” did depart (by a wide margin) from a personal account of facts – and actually made you a hypocrite.

  • Mike Amerine

    Where was the “factual evidence” in either of your statement? Stop attacking people all over this thread, sir. You have absolutely no basis on which to throw stones…

  • Mike Amerine

    To be fair, that’s sort of like saying you should reference a lawyer to find out how important lawyers are or a psychologist to find out the many benefits of therapy. When someone’s job depends on a particular opinion, expecting un-opinionated discussions from them is a bit weak. There are still thousands of scientists that believe the Earth is warming up due to man’s activities and millions that believe in Evolution . . . you have to consider the source…

  • Acctg4U

    I do not condone “Uncle’s” personal attack. However, if society believes the effects of a flu shot can be equivalent (nonetheless greater) than that of pure poison (on purpose) of radiation and chemotherapy, we have bigger issues.

    Also, who are you to say Uncle did not experience what he claims whereas the original poster did. Speaking of hypocrisy?

  • Acctg4U

    Didn’t you just call someone a hypocrite? So you attack people then say stop attacking people…ironic.

  • Mike Amerine

    Perhaps you should take up critical reading as a hobby. She specifically stated that she had gone through it – missed by him. He specifically stated that he lost his father and “saw the toll.” So, to answer your question, HE said he did not experience cancer firsthand (himself on the chemotherapy), it was not an assumption on my part.

    Additionally, the hypocrisy I was referring to was him calling someone “completely rude” while being completely rude.

    As far as your third statement, it is non sequitur – something that I’m not surprised by given your apparent need to attack me both here and elsewhere.

  • Mike Amerine

    If you want an “attack”, I can give you one. But if you believe it is an attack to ask someone to back up an attack with even a single, solitary statement of fact – my statements about your capability are wasted – they are self-evident.

    Perhaps you should look up both “Hypocrite” and “ironic” in the dictionary – you appear to have very little understanding of either.

  • Acctg4U

    Once again, didn’t you just say don’t attack people?

    By the way, I searched through this and I see that you haven’t added anything to the article subject matter. You are what the internet calls a successful troll.

    The obvious giveaway is that you call out Uncle however you have no mention of the reply by Tom Thumb who calls him “Livestock” and “Test Dope”. A brief search through the article shows this Tom Thumb repeatedly degrading posters who are expressing their opinion, yet you focus on a single individual. This is a double standard in its own right.

  • Mike Amerine

    …and, once again, you misuse both words. There is no onus on me to search through the entire series of statements and defend people that are under attack. I have not attacked a single person so there’s no irony or hypocrisy. Your attempts to label me a troll for asking someone to cite a single reference for their attacks on this author and those that agree with the author are also very indicative of someone that doesn’t understand that word either. The only troll-like behavior going on here is yours. Enough ridiculous drivel. Go bother someone else.

  • Ray

    Yes, it’s funny you always here that “fox hires people to comment on the internet” or “pharmaceutical companies hire people to comment on the internet” or whatever, but you never meet any of these people in real life. This is because it’s BS, like most of your posts. Sure, these companies do act in certain bad ways, but it’s an effect, not the cause. No one is at the helm trying to fool everyone, they end up prioritizing the stockholders, which often means bad things for customers and employees, like any big company.

  • InfluGuy

    I worked with the influenza virus as an EMT during the pandemic in 2009, and in a research laboratory several years later. The metabolite of thimerasol, ethyl mercury, is concerning, but much less so than the horrific infection that came before its use in the MMR vaccine. Thimerasol free options do exist. Second, people only shed virus from live attenuated vaccines, other options exist. Live attenuated options offer the level of protection however. You can develop flu like symptoms from the vaccine, as is the case with live vaccines, they are live replicating virus designed to elicit an immune response without causing the full disease. It may not be pleasant, but it doesn’t happen to everybody. Scientists don’t guess. At the end of every flu season trends emerge as to which variants will emerge the following year. The problem is in picking strains that can change or be selected against in a short amount of time. Example, 9 red marbles and 1 blue marble in a hat, you pick a red marble, but then that marble turns green. Influenza. BUT! The less marbles you have, sick people, the less likely the red will turn green. I will end on this, although the points made in this article aren’t completely false, the bigger picture is missed. I generated hundreds of mutant influenza strains and I can tell you the possibility of a highly lethal strain is more than possible. Reducing the number of infected will slow this down. Not getting vaccinated puts others at risk, immunocompromised and the elderly. If you had the chance to get vaccinated, didn’t, and infected another individual who died, wouldn’t you feel terrible? Ignorance is bliss. The point is, options exist for every concern listed. Keep an open mind, be aware of half truths. This is a complicated topic, but try to think of how your actions influence others.

  • Katiah Michele Peterson

    What also is not being mentioned is the fact that every time they create a new strain for the vaccine they are basically forcing influenza to mutate and become stronger. Viruses do not go away, they just learn how to adapt in different forms. Same goes for people who think so highly of antibiotics…all you’re doing is forcing viruses and infections to work harder and take on different forms in order to infiltrate your system.

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  • Interesting – so are you saying those who vaccinate do not get infected?

  • 05Stang

    I worked for a hospital (in administration) where an annual flu shot administered by them was a requirement to being and staying employed. That was kind of creepy. Other than that the only times I’ve had the flu was when I didnt get vaccinated.

  • Lobo

    That is not true, if you do your own research , most diseases irradicate themselves after they run there course.
    Polio cases started to increase again when the vaccine came out , it was a live vaccine and from 1955 to 1963 the polio vaccine was contaminated with a non-human virus ((sv40) from monkeys that is showing up in cancers that are removed from people today.

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  • Jaakko Määttä

    You are calling me a troll, when i’m presenting science based evidence. Tuna contains mercury 0,32 parts per million.

  • This is what you come back with? I am sure it silences the average person, but
    I am not that. It depends on where the
    Tuna was caught, how it is packaged (canned is worse) and how much pollution from
    industrial dumping is going on in the area.

    First, let’s be clear that you are officially declining my
    challenge. Second, simply claiming “science
    based evidence” does not make it so—especially when you misdirect and your
    misdirection has no relevance to context. Most of medicine is not actually “science
    based” or proven. Especially vaccines
    where the drug companies making and selling the drugs are doing the “studies”. I’ll play your little sleight of hand
    game: Are you actually suggesting that
    tuna is somehow beneficial and healthy?
    It’s really not. They recommend eating
    it in moderation. They don’t even recommend you feed it to your cat because it
    lacks certain nutritional value. But,
    hey, let’s assume you are not aware of that and believe it is good for you.
    Fine, except for one little problem. I don’t believe that ingesting tuna causes
    a breach in the blood-brain barrier and can cross it. Scientifically speaking, injecting vaccines
    can cross it, not to mention the fact that vaccines are also given to infants
    BEFORE the development of the blood brain barrier is complete. Therefore, applying deductive reasoning to
    your attempted rebuttal (deceptive misdirection) leaves us with this—if you are
    implying that tuna has more mercury than vaccines and is somehow “safer”, then
    I have a second challenge for you to publicly be the first human to INJECT canned
    tuna into your body and see what happens.
    I predict that you will decline that challenge as well. Frankly, it is ludicrous to even attempt to
    compare a sandwich that someone may or may not eat and dispose of occasionally to
    an assault and battery of 30 or 40 injections or more (plus flu shots every
    year) before an innocent child is 5 or 6 years old, prior to complete maturation
    of their natural immune system which those injections surpass, weaken and
    damage, setting them up for adverse reactions, chronic illness, lifetime
    dependence and even death. Before you
    try use the old, “I was vaccinated as child, and I am ok” response, recall that
    when we were young, there were only a couple of vaccines (and actual disease incidence
    and prevalence), and there is no scientific evidence proving that you had or
    have no adverse effects from those injections.
    Recently, the recommended vaccine schedule was 26 doses of 9 vaccines by
    the ­ first birthday, 48 doses of 14 vaccines by age 6, and a total of 70 doses
    of 16 vaccines by age 18. And now
    consider this: one vaccine injected into a 13-pound, two-month old infant is
    equivalent to 10 doses of the same in a 130-pound adult. Where is the common
    sense in these guidelines? Would any
    adult concede to being injected with 360 doses of vaccines within a couple of
    years’ span; equal to one injection every other day for two years? And this
    data is more than five years old. Now they have trivalent and pentavalent
    multiple dose/disease vaccines given in a single visit! It is estimated that drug companies have as
    many as 200 new vaccines in development!
    The complete vaccine schedule has not been studied for safety nor have
    all the various possible combinations of vaccines that might be administered on
    a single day. Iatrogenesis (look it up) is the third leading cause of death in
    the world with over a quarter million casualties each year (conservative
    estimate). Adverse effects and chronic illnesses
    far surpass that figure. These numbers are comparable to moderate war injuries
    and casualties. So much for your
    scientific “evidence”. Math does not
    lie. Adolf Hitler said that if you
    repeat a lie enough times and long enough that people would begin to believe it,
    and that you will also believe it yourself.
    Stop regurgitating lies and propaganda.
    If people research and choose to stay away from potentially deadly
    pills, potions, lotions and injections, who are you to try to persuade them
    otherwise? Why should you care? Unless
    you are a troll? I presume that you also
    believe that you evolved from a monkey?
    Hint: you did not; however, you do appear to think like one. The safest
    way to avoid heavy metal toxicity is simple abstinence, which of course may
    include not eating a lot of tuna (LOL); and, most definitely includes not willingly
    being subjected to multiple injections in the name of “science”, or “medicine”
    and all the associated gods therewith.
    Mercury (no pun intended) aside, you have a mountain of defense to
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    a plethora of ingredients that should never be injected into a human body—most especially
    a child. I will only name a few for the sake of space but the readers will get
    the general idea and begin to thoroughly research these modern day witches
    brews on their own. Aluminum. Formaldehyde.
    Chicken cells. Monkey cells. Cow cells.
    Aborted human fetus cells (that’s reason enough for me,
    personally!). Acids. Industrial cleaners. Cancer.
    The list goes on and on. So,
    either do some real “scientific” research and seek the truth so that it can set
    you free; or, as I challenged initially, do us all a favor and go drink some
    mercury because you are breathing our valuable and precious oxygen. Whatever you do, stop misleading people
    because it is dangerous and harmful and you will be held accountable for it one
    day. If you choose to remain ignorant, blind,
    deaf and stubborn, then so be it; but no longer consider future procreation at
    the very least. How do I know all of this about you? Discernment. And, please do not waste my time
    with snide little remarks and misdirection.
    In fact, my statement can be considered rhetorical.

    Readers: here a just
    two links to consider…the rest is up to you and your consciences.



  • Tony Mahony

    “but you never meet any of these people in real life”

    You can’t be serious.

  • LC

    What are you talking about, the article links to the CDC itself for these studies and quotes it references.

  • Michelle Sorenson

    EVERYONE I know that has been immunized so far this year has gotten the flu. This happens every year, to everyone I know and work with. I decline for religious reasons and I don’t get sick. I sanitize my work station, I request that my sick coworkers stay the hell away from me when they come to work sick…and they do because they don’t want to waste their PTO time on being sick. The one and only time I was vaccinated I got sick and vowed then and there I would never do it again. Natural selection is going to get us all any way, so you vaccinate against the flu but you get cancer or you get hit by a bus or you have a heart-attack. Life is a fatal disease, I’ll take my chances my way and not with big pharmaceuticals and doctor/hospital kick backs. Trust yourselves, you know your body better than anyone else and don’t let the government tell you different.

  • Michelle Sorenson

    My brother-in-law is a retired Navy medic and still works in the private sector for them and he pushes extremely hard for us to be vaccinated every year. I think if he could he would ”forcibly” inject me. HOWEVER, big man gets vaccinated every year and gets sick a day or two later and then gets sick later in the season again so how’s that really working out for him? Last I check it was my body and my right to choose, if we can use it for Roe v. Wade it applies across the board. PROVE it works on all strains 100% of the time, you can’t.

  • Michelle Sorenson

    I too work for a major US hospital but I work in non-patient care and in the last 3 years it’s gone from encouraging you to get a shot to demanding you get one or risk being moved, let go or put on non-paid leave for 8-12 weeks. If you refuse for religious reasons as I do, then you have to get 2 supervisors approvals and an approval from HR and if any of them refuse then you are back to get the shot or loose your job, even though the mandate says “for those in direct contact with patients….” I state again I do not have patient contact, I answer the phone and do data entry, but this year my job is at stake, I just got the paperwork two hours ago. I love my job but not enough to compromise my beliefs, so now it’s a waiting game.

  • TJC

    Perhaps you haven’t got the flu because you were genetically blessed or just lucky. You are making a whole lot of assumptions off of just your own individual experience. By your logic I’ve never been in a plane crash so therefore planes never crash. I’ve never been in a gang shootout so I guess those don’t happen either. I’ve never been ticketed for speeding (though I commonly drive over the speed limit) so I guess no one ever gets tickets for speeding.

    Eating healthy makes a big difference, but it won’t make everyone 100% resistant. The flu and many other infectious diseases have been around long before GMOs and modern industrial farming. Or do you think infectious disease is just some product of the industrial revolution? Your comment makes no sense and shows a complete lack of understanding of both history and science.

    There is no secret that mercury is in Thimerosal. It is not elemental mercury, but a mercury compound, and like all compounds it is given a name. Calling it “mercury” would be inaccurate because that would imply that it was elemental mercury. It’s mercury content wasn’t hidden. That’s just how we name things. Water is H2O, we don’t call water oxygen, because it happens to contain oxygen. Likewise we don’t call your car “iron” because it happens to have iron in it, we call it a car.

    And I have no idea what you are talking about when you claim the flu shot is “not biologically compatible with our DNA.” What does that even mean? Is it doing something to our DNA? Either you are repeating something you heard and didn’t understand, or are just talking gibberish. You can’t string random sciencey sounding words together and think you are making an intelligible point. I have a degree in molecular biology and can easily spot such BS.

  • TJC

    That’s exactly the problem. None of you guys care about what science, data, logic, or experts say. You have already made up your minds and nothing is going to change that. Not sure why you even bother to read such articles or comment on them. I guess you just like reaffirming your own preconceived beliefs.

  • TJC

    this is an anti-vax myth. There is plenty of evidence that vaccines work and diseases almost never just burn themselves out of existence.

  • TJC

    Proven? site your source. All those things are very important for preventing disease, but most vaccines are even more effective (but only for the specific strains of virus being vaccinated against). For overall health, sleep, vitamin D, etc is important.

  • PhD if it makes a difference

    Check out TJCs comment history. Seriously. Anyone who just read the comment above. This person definitely works for the NIH. Or they’re just really annoyingly sheepy and should work for the NIH. Honestly I can’t tell, but just check it out. Please.

  • Dave

    I never have taken any flu shots. I am not a “United States of Idiots” sheep. If you want it, take all of mine and make Big Business happy.

  • Dave

    More Bull Shit in comments for Big business and fear tactics.

  • Carrie B.

    I was coerced into getting a flu shot several years ago because my doctor tried to
    convince me that I would die from an asthma attack if I didn’t do it. Within 24
    hours I had the most horrible flu symptoms and other things happening to my
    body. I was frightened and thought maybe I would die from that shot! Then I
    started to research what’s in it and feel like such a dope falling for that
    fear tactic. Preventing the flu is much, much more effective with diet,
    exercise and just overall good lifestyle choices. And, even if you do get sick
    while being consistently (and genuinely) healthy, it isn’t as debilitating and
    long lasting. As I type this they have a nurse here at work and want 100
    percent flu shot participation. They will spend the next several weeks making
    those who refused feel like rebels and will push us to at least go to Walgreens
    to get a shot. I had an extremely bad reaction! Why are you pushing me just so
    the company can brag that it has 100 percent participation?! My work say that the only effective ways to combat the flu are by getting the shot and washing your hands. Huh?! By the way, I work in a toxicology department, and almost everyone who gets the shot gets the flu…while I’m at work every single day. I really wish people would start to think for themselves and use wisdom.

  • Carrie B.

    Oh….c’mon. Seriously? You’re going to put that on us non-vaccinated? If theses vaccines are effective then why would we be infecting others? Shouldn’t their vaccine save them? I got the flu – horrible, debilitating flu 24 hours after a vaccine. I’ve never been so sick in my life except directly after a flu shot. I’ve also had other toxicity issues right after the shot. People need to be supporting and healing their immune systems (I have) instead of putting chemicals in their bodies. Even the CDC says that many who get the flu vaccine do not need it. They claim it’s for elderly and those with compromised immune systems, not merely everyone living in fear. I had an open mind. I listened to fear. And I thought I’d seriously die after I made that mistake of getting the shot. People need to think for themselves, be thoroughly educated on the issue, and then decide if they want a shot without coercion or fear tactics. Do the benefits really outweigh the risks?

  • Carrie B.

    Very well said. I work in Toxicology and learn a lot about chemicals and toxins. It is known that these things are not good for the body. And I see lawsuits come through all the time for chemical exposures (we are litigation). The general public won’t see this because the person (or their family because the plaintiff died as the result of toxic exposure) will sign paperwork saying they will not speak up after the settlement. They’ll get their money, their loved one is dead, and they are forbidden to speak up or else be sued. Back in the day when people were speaking up about the health dangers of smoking, big industry and ignorant people raised a ruckus about that being a conspiracy theory too. Then they made smoking “healthier” by putting asbestos in the filters. Really? We are that stupid in America. And then when wise people speak up they are seen as crazy and given to conspiracy theories. I, too, have completely changed my lifestyle with genuinely healthy foods and more exercise; and my immune system takes care of my needs. Not toxins injected into my body. I do not have good genetics. I’ve suffered with debilitating allergies, asthma, constant colds in the past, and now terminal cancer. It is not about genetics! Even with terminal cancer I have way outlived my death sentence from the doctor and am getting healthier. I work full-time and enjoy 25+ mile bike rides and walk/exercise daily. I don’t get germ freaky and go about my healthy, busy life without limitations. People without my health concerns can’t even keep up with me and are sick all the time. It’s how you take care of your body that matters most. If you have poor genetics (like me), it will just take a little more discipline than someone with better genetics; but it’s not impossible to take control of your health naturally once you learn how to do it and be consistent. I’m tired of being pushed to get vaccinated when I don’t need it and after the fact that I had a pretty severe reaction to it.

  • TJC

    I used to study virology as an academic researcher. I personally know some and have met others who work for the NIH, pharmaceutical companies, and universities. These people I refer to are not directors of business leaders but hard working scientists and I don’t believe any of them would willingly be part of some grand conspiracy to make people sick (certainly not all of them).

    On the topic of vaccine safety I would think those working for the NIH would provide valuable expert opinion. Certainly better than internet bloggers with little scientific understanding. So yes I would be willing to work for the NIH and I don’t see anything wrong with that.

    I like to occasionally comment on news stories. Especially ones that show up on my facebook newsfeed. I’ve commented here so extensively because Discuss notifies me when others respond to my comments and though this article is rather old it still seems to garner a lot of responses.

    One does not need a PhD to understand vaccines, but clearly a lot of people on here don’t know the first thing about biology. They have made a good attempt to self-educate, but without having a framework from which to distinguish reliable from unreliable information they end up with a lot of misconceptions and end up believing in a lot of myths concerning biology. Before diving into the complexities of vaccinology it would do all of you a lot of good to actually study some basic biology so you had a good working foundational knowledge of how the cell works, what viruses are, and how the immune system responds to them. So apparently a PhD does make a difference.

    One last thing, going back to my point about not knowing where to get reliable information. Why do you assume the NIH to be unreliable but vactruth to be reliable? Perhaps you should approach vactruth with the same level of skepticism as you approach mainstream science.

  • JSA

    Nope. The Center for Disease Control is part of the Department of Health and Human Services, but thanks for playing.

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    Just got my flu shot over the weekend! The bandage is still on even. Thanks for the great article. I feel fantastic!

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  • FluShit

    Your laughter comes from looking at your brainwashed face in the mirror

  • FluShit

    And all your post was, was a pile of troll vomit.

  • FluShit

    No, satire is anything that comes out of the mouths of Bill Gates or any member of the CDC

  • FluShit

    Your idea of “evidence” is merely, “Lies paid for those who make billions out of vaccines.”

  • FluShit

    When you smell horse manure, you know it’s feces with posts like mevans2460

  • FluShit

    It, not its. Your, not ur. You know well the word “retarded” from your own flu placebo shots.

  • FluShit

    I hope you love your kids as much when you give them autism

  • dogitydog

    Surely you can provide some then if there is plenty of it? Ignoring the correlation between the vaccinations and the resulting injuries is just plain stupid.

  • dogitydog

    …and we will see mortality caused by vaccines plummet.

  • dogitydog

    Wow. Is this another side affect of the vaccines you’ve been taking?

  • dogitydog

    If only you could experience the sensation of awakening to realize that you currently are not. Only then can you grasp the extent of the condition. To see with open eyes is truly an enlightening and liberating experience that can only be accomplished through the awakening process.

  • dogitydog

    You are a good and obedient sheep. Now go eat your GMO’s.

  • TJC

    It’s not stupid if you understand probabilities. All vaccines have a small chance of injury, but infection can also cause permanent injury. For most vaccines the probability of getting infected and getting injured from the infection is greater than the probability of the vaccine injuring you. I agree with the current vaccination schedule. There do exists vaccines for which the risk of infection is lower than the risk of injury from the vaccine itself and these vaccines are not generally recommended unless you are at risk of exposure. The vaccination rate for those of us with relevant scientific training is high.

    Smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, chicken pox, etc rates all decreased after vaccination. Anti-vax advocates often claim this is correlation but not causation even though the decrease tracks with vaccination rates (this is somewhat ironic because they accept without question a correlation between vaccines and autism, even though autism rates do not track with vaccination rates). But we don’t have to rely on these data. Vaccines are subject to clinical trials for efficacy before use. These are carefully controlled and provide really solid evidence for efficacy. A lot of effort goes into producing a vaccine. Not only is there extensive testing for efficacy but also monitoring for adverse events. Any reasonably credible biomedical journal article can be found at http://www.pubmed.com. In fact for the diseases I mentioned all credible evidence points to the efficacy of the vaccines and their primary responsibility for reducing incidence rates. The claims otherwise are not credible and do not come from scientific studies. They are simply wild accusations from uneducated internet conspiracy theorists.

  • TJC

    What vaccine preventable diseases are causing outbreaks in vaccinated populations in China?

  • dogitydog

    Nice try. Trying to blame the vaccine injuries on infection from the shot and not the vaccine itself. The correlation between vaccines and autism is not ‘conspiracy theory’, a term that only shills a trolls throw around. In case you haven’t heard, the CDC’s own scientist has revealed how the CDC has been covering up the fact there is a correlation between vaccines and autism. Why would anyone in their right mind trust anything that they claim when they have been caught in a lie of this magnitude? The disclosure by their own scientist only verifies what people have been complaining about for years, but have been repeatedly lied to. You are delusional with your typical shill nonsense embellished with you ‘conspiracy theorist’ rhetoric.

  • TJC

    I’m not blaming vaccine injuries on infections. I’m saying that both can cause injury. Anti-vax people seem to operate under the misconception that illnesses, like measles, that are rarely deadly are perfectly safe. They are not. They do cause death and permanent injury in rare circumstances. Vaccine injuries do exist, but they are even rarer. So much rarer that your chances of getting measles and having a bad outcome from measles is higher than that of having a reaction from a vaccine that results in permanent injury. When recommendations are made on whether or not to vaccinate the risks of the disease and its incidence rate are weighed against the risks of the vaccine. An airbag can cause serious injury, but we have found that they overall save lives. Similarly, vaccines can cause injury, but overall they save lives. Life comes with risks. Nothing is 100% safe. You just have to play the odds in your favor and hope you don’t get unlucky. That’s the best you can do. Vaccination is the better bet.

    The CDC has not been caught covering up an autism vaccine link. People on the internet can claim anything, but where is the evidence? “I’m a NASA scientist and I’m here to tell you the moon landing was faked” – see its that easy. Alternatively I’m sure I can find a recording from a real NASA scientist and selectively edit it such that I can convince highly susceptible people that he is admitting to the faked landing. This is common behavior among conspiracy theorists. This is no different than the tactics used on scientists quoted in the movie “Expelled.” (but why do I bother you probably reject the science behind evolution as well).

    I’m not convinced of some ambiguous highly edited snippets of something someone says, especially when the person who said it goes on to denounce the very thing it was claimed he admitted to. (And when those snippets don’t really amount to all that much to begin with, certainly don’t prove a grand conspiracy).

    Where is the data for this link between autism and vaccines? It’s nonexistent. It’s not just the CDC. Multitudes of studies show that no link exists. For a conspiracy of this magnitude not only would the CDC need to be involved, but just about everyone in the medical and scientific communities. Nearly all physicians across all nations. Biologists not just from pharma but from universities and research institutes around the world. We have seen the data and the entire scientific community agrees there is no link. This can be demonstrated multiple ways. Communities with lower vaccination rates do not have lower autism rates. Autism symptoms can be identified prior to vaccination. Reducing the number of vaccines containing thimerosal had no impact on autism rates. On top of that, though it is not evidence, there is no logical mechanism by which vaccines could cause autism.

    Also what is the motive? Pharma might have a motive, but why would university scientists be part of a cover up for which they have no financial interests?

  • disqus_tJ1ItcnMRC

    There are still some outbreaks, however I do see your point and agree with you categorically. You have a better bet getting a vaccine. My point was that we are sold on this belief that if we can just get enough people to get vaccinated would can eliminate it.Like 92% then 95% maybe 97%. Its not true, Measles (and others) have a well known scientifically based increase and decrease in incidence rates.

  • dogitydog

    When mainstream news puppets such as CNN and the rest of the mainstream media choose to deliberately censor stories like this, it does not mean that it did not happen. All it means is that they can’t be trusted to bring us important information. The way in which you selectively cite controversial studies while ignoring the many other studies that clearly indicate dangerous side effects from vaccines is typical shill rhetoric. The fact that the CDC continued to cover up the results of their studies for 14 years until Dr. William W. Thompson’s conscience finally caught up to him, has resulted in thousands of lives destroyed unnecessarily. That is a conservative figure considering the fact that the increasing rate of autism has gone through the roof in that period of time.
    So, either you completely rely on mainstream news for your information or you are playing ignorant, here is the story that you somehow have missed.

  • Nathan

    I am not a huge conspiracy theorist, nor do I think flu shots are evil. However, many of these examples (although exaggerated) are actually true in some cases.

    I have actually gotten the flu shot since as far back as I can remember, all through my teen years UP UNTIL I was 16. Yet, every year (even with the flu shot) I would come down with the yearly flu.

    Hear’s the funny part, the last flu shot I had (was at the age of 16)

    I am now 20, and I have not had ANY TYPE of flu virus or flu related sickness since then. Yes, I have literally not come down with any sickness since that time.


  • TJC

    Controversial? There is no controversy within the scientific community. What uneducated laypeople think of the matter is irrelevant. The extent that I cherry pick is that I only consider peer reviewed scientific articles with good statistical analysis. In other words I don’t consider it reliable if other scientists haven’t looked at and verified the results, if it relies entirely on anecdotal accounts, or if it is proven fraudulent. That pretty much means I reject all of the “evidence” from the anti-vax side, as do nearly 100% of all scientists. I don’t rely on media at all. Mainstream or otherwise, it isn’t reliable when it comes to science (or much else for that matter). I rely on scientific publications and if you really care about this issue you should educate yourself as well by learning the background material necessary to understand the literature and then actually read it, instead of choosing a random media source to give you its spin because it just happens to match your preconceived notions.

  • TJC

    not all viruses can be reasonably eliminated by vaccination. To eliminate a virus not only do the vaccination rates need to be high, but so does the efficacy of the vaccine. If there is an animal host for the virus then it’s unlikely to be eliminated without an effective vaccination of that animal population. Additionally the effort needs to be global. Otherwise if the virus is eradicated locally it will eventually be reintroduced. Global efforts are complicated in war zones, impoverished areas, and places where people are resistant to vaccination. Smallpox was eradicated from the wild and there is no reason other viruses couldn’t be, but all the criteria I mentioned would have to be met. The great thing about eradication is we won’t need to have this argument. Without the disease there would be no need to vaccinate for it.

  • dogitydog

    I see. Then these official government documents with statistics and statements from the CDC are non-scientific anecdotes because you don’t consider them to be reliable? I can cite published scientific documents all day and you will still ignore the evidence. Who is the one with preconceived notions?
    I did not ‘wake up’ yesterday. My eyes have been open for a long time and have heard everything already that you learned from your training manual, ‘Disinfo For Dummies’
    Here are a few items for you to start debunking, as I am sure you will attempt to do.
    The CDC website states:
    How well the flu vaccine works (or its ability to prevent flu illness) can range widely from season to season. it’s possible that no benefit from flu vaccination may be observed.

    Flu Vaccine is the most Dangerous Vaccine in the U. S. based on Settled Cases for Injuries –
    The last report issued in 2013 by the Department of Justice (Vaccine Court), for compensation made by the Health and Human Services for people injured or killed by vaccines, was released in December 2013, covering the period of 8/16/2013 through 11/15/2013. The report is available as a Power Point presentation here. – See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-vaccine-is-the-most-dangerous-vaccine-in-the-united-states-based-on-settled-cases-for-injuries/#sthash.Djt34RNq.dpuf

    Victims Crippled and Killed by the Flu Shot Compensated by U.S. Government – 2014 Statistics – See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-vaccine-is-the-most-dangerous-vaccine-in-the-united-states-based-on-settled-cases-for-injuries/#sthash.Djt34RNq.dpuf

    Vaccine Pioneer Doctor Admits Polio Vaccine Caused Cancer – See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/vaccine-pioneer-doctor-admits-polio-vaccine-caused-cancer/#sthash.L8Sgbw5m.dpuf

    Use of Aborted Human Cell Lines in Vaccines Linked to Rise in Autism – See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/category/medicine-watch/#sthash.sNnFrkri.dpuf

    The Vaccine Autism Cover-up: How One Doctor’s Career was Destroyed for Telling the Truth – See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/#sthash.u147R4gT.dpuf

    Merck’s Former Doctor Predicts that Gardasil will Become the Greatest Medical Scandal of All Time – See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/does-modern-science-hinder-skepticism-the-eugenics-example/#sthash.3KnIXwZD.dpuf

    Government Study: Flu Vaccine not Effective for Elderly – Death Rates Increased – See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/category/medicine-watch/#sthash.sNnFrkri.dpuf

    If people (both doctors and patients) would read the package inserts supplied by the flu manufacturer, they would learn that their own trials on the vaccine show they are relatively ineffective.

  • dogitydog

    The ‘doctor/pharmacist who has a doctorate’ listens to their pharmaceutical suppliers, the same people that were in charge of their education. Explain to me how having a doctorate changes the effects of the ingredients in vaccines.

  • TJC

    healthimpactnews is not a credible source. Sometimes they just make stuff up, when they don’t its very heavily spun and agenda driven.

    You are right about the flu vaccine not always being effective. Based on infection trends they predict what strains will be most active in the coming season and make the vaccine accordingly. If they are wrong the vaccine will be less effective. I’m not denying that in rare cases there are side effects. My point is that you need to consider relative risk. Compare the number of deaths due to flu to the number of injuries from the flu vaccine. One culprit to increased risk is not so scary chemical component, but that it uses eggs in it’s production. It’s important to be familiar with the counter-indications for vaccination. If you have a egg allergy don’t get a vaccine produced in eggs. Where are the calls to ban these dangerous allergy causing eggs?

    Guillain-Barre Syndrome is an autoimmune disease that can occur from vaccination or from natural viral infection. So yes vaccination may cause it, but so could your next natural infection. I’m not up to date with the latest research, but basically the immune system once activated by the infection (or vaccination) incorrectly recognizes the nerve cells as foreign and attacks them. This seems to be more a dysfunction of the immune system than a dysfunction of the vaccine. By this I mean any activation of the immune system could trigger it and is not necessarily due to vaccine formulation. Though research could indicate certain antegins are more likely to trigger the syndrome. This is extremely rare. You are much more likely to get the flu and have a serious complication than you are to have this vaccine side effect. For example even healthy individuals can develop a dangerous secondary infection leading to pneumonia while sick with the flu.

    There isn’t a conspiracy to hide this information. Transparency is why those package inserts exist and I think I’ve been straightforward with you about the risks. As you are aware the side effects are listed on the CDC website. Pro-vaccine people aren’t unaware of the risks. We know they are real, but that they are small. Risks from the flu are real and also small, but greater than those from the vaccine. Therefore I choose the vaccine. It is the anti-vaccination people who seem unaware of the risks from the diseases themselves or who have incorrectly weighed the relative risks.

    SV40 contamination of the polio vaccine was a huge problem. How much it might be responsible for cancer is unclear. The devastating effects of polio infection are clear and thanks to vaccination efforts we don’t experience those in most of the world.

    Lots of studies have been conducted looking for a link between these vaccines and autism and none have shown a link besides the one mentioned and I did not find that particular article persuasive. Not only that, but it comes from a low impact journal and is produced by the lead author’s start up company who’s primary purpose is political, not scientific. They are pro-life and there stated agenda is to end the use of abortive tissues in medical research.

  • TJC

    note that I didn’t address all your comments because I do not have the time at the moment. I may go back and address the other links if I feel inclined to do so later.

  • disqus_tJ1ItcnMRC

    The pro-vaccine scientific community is also part of the problem. When a person gets a shot and gets sick, they say “Nope, wasn’t from the vaccine, impossible” Well most educated people know that they actually didn’t get the flu but the immune system load that was injected into the person resulted in them getting sick. The other thing is that 40-60% effective rates are not good enough for some people. The only studies focus on populations that get the shot and either do or don’t get the flu later. How about ALL the people who DONT get the shot and DONT get sick? Shouldn’t we account for those numbers in the vaccinated population? They NEVER do. You also have preconceived beliefs. The CDC and Pharm companies are ALWAYS looking out for the general public’s best interest. Right? Well there are times when that is just not the case.

  • disqus_tJ1ItcnMRC

    The pro-vaccine scientific community is also part of the problem. When a person gets a shot and gets sick, they say “Nope, wasn’t from the vaccine, impossible” Well most educated people know that they actually didn’t get the flu but the immune system load that was injected into the person resulted in them getting sick. The other thing is that 40-60% effective rates are not good enough for some people. The only studies focus on populations that get the shot and either do or don’t get the flu later. How about ALL the people who DONT get the shot and DONT get sick? Shouldn’t we account for those numbers in the vaccinated population? They NEVER do. You also have preconceived beliefs. The CDC and Pharm companies are ALWAYS looking out for the general public’s best interest. Right? Well there are times when that is just not the case.

  • disqus_tJ1ItcnMRC

    Yeah like The Plague.

  • dogitydog

    Wow. you are pathetic. “Sometimes they just make things up”. When a publication is put out by a government agency, it was not made up by someone operating a website. What a pathetic attempt to discredit someone’s comment. Your comments are so lopsided that I am surprised if you don’t fall off of your chair as you are struggling to defend the evil vaccine empire. You cannot provide irrefutable scientific proof that vaccines are or ever have been effective at eradicating any disease. How does the risk out weigh the benefit of a flu vaccine when there is no proven benefit of it? Almost 100% of the people that receive a flu shot still get the flu, with some of them become severely injured. It absolutely lacks logic. The motive behind vaccines is pure and simple. To make profit for an out of control pharmaceutical industry that has been granted a license to murder without fear of prosecution. Your disregard towards the countless number of lives that have been destroyed from vaccines is obscene. Why should anyone put their lives in the hands of those who have been caught lying and deceiving the public time after time? Their actions speak for themselves and anyone that chooses to ignore the facts, takes the risk of becoming another one of their statistics. Next you will probably tell us that pesticides sprayed on GMO crops is perfectly safe to eat. You cans spin your shill rhetoric all you want to the sleeping and medicated masses, but for those of us that have awakened to the reality of big business and can clearly see the truth, are repulsed by people like you that put so much effort in defending them. People like me have nothing to gain by refusing vaccines except peace of mind continued health. Have a good day. I have more productive things to do than feed the trolls.

  • TJC

    I agreed with you that the flu vaccine is not always effective. It generally works if they pick the correct strains, but they do not always do so. That’s what the CDC says. That’s what I said. But even considering this overall its safer to be vaccinated than not. My comments are lopsided because the evidence is lopsided. Most of what What was published by a government agency? Health Impact News is not produced by the government.
    I can’t prove anything if you are unwilling to look at or accept the evidence. Smallpox no longer exists. All the evidence points to vaccination as the reason. What else can I say?

    The 100% of people who get the vaccine get the flu. That’s BS and you know it. You may think we are “sheep,” but if that were really the case no one would get the vaccine. I have gotten the vaccine and many others have. I certainly have heard the rumors that you can get the flu from the vaccine but no one I’ve known has. Vaccines induce an immune response (they have to, that’s how they work). A lot of the symptoms from being ill (things like fever) are not caused by the virus, but by the immune system fighting the virus. Usually the immune response is more mild than that due to an actual infection. So mild that most of us only have some swelling/soreness around the injection site. Others may develop minor symptoms like low grade fever and minor aches (both caused by the immune system). These should not last as long or be anywhere near as severe as the actual flu. Everyone is different and if there are a few people that feel really sick after the vaccine I won’t deny their experience. If some people are prone to such severe side effects that they feel like they actually have the flu then I’d understand if they didn’t get the flu shot. I’m not arguing that it be mandatory. I’m arguing that it is safe. There is no need to scare others as very few have such side effects and even fewer severe. Even if you are one of the few that feel ill from the vaccine, fever and aches won’t harm you and you will still be protecting vulnerable individuals by getting the vaccine.

    It’s terrible that people’s lives have been destroyed by vaccines, but so are the lives lost to vaccine preventable illness. It’s not that I don’t care about those harmed by vaccination. It’s that looking at the bigger picture and realize that many more are harmed by the diseases then the vaccines. The best way to minimize suffering is to vaccinate. Just as I think all cars should have airbags and that people should wear their seat belts, even though in some instances these safety devices make injuries worse, they more often than not prevent injury. I could just as easily accuse you of not caring about the lives lost to illness, but I don’t. I believe that your crusade against vaccines is good-intentioned, but that doesn’t make you right.

    The problem with your argument is that they have not been caught lying and deceiving the public. That you disagree with them or that someone claimed they lied does not mean they actually lied. You fail to provide convincing evidence or motives for these lies.

    I’m not defending big business I’m defending science. It’s not just big business you are refuting but non-profits like universities and research institutes.

    My opinions on GMOs are irrelevant. Even if I am wrong on GMOs (or simply disagree with you) that doesn’t make mean I’m wrong on vaccines. For the record I think the evidence shows that dangers of Round-up herbicide are overblown by the anti-GMO side, but I am also not convinced that Round-Up is perfectly safe. I do think it is best avoided, though I haven’t made it a priority to do so. Not all GMOs are the same so they need to be considered on a case by case basis when determining their safety or better put, their relative safety compared to non-GMOs. You won’t be shocked that I am overall supportive of GMO technology.

  • TJC

    Actually the scientific community approaches such things with research and statistics. It doesn’t assume anything. I admit that some people may feel sick. Read some of my other comments when I said that fever and aches are known side effects of the vaccine, but most people don’t get them, they are nearly never as bad as the actual flu, and nearly never harmful. The actual flu comes along with potential complications like pneumonia and heart problem and these do not occur with the vaccine. The whole point of vaccines is to stimulate the immune system after all. I am personally part of the majority that doesn’t have effects. All I have had is a sore arm.

    Most educated people may realize that any flu-like effects are not the actual flu, but most people aren’t educated. And educated (i.e. being a college graduate and otherwise intelligent) doesn’t mean educated in biology. Scientific literacy is exceptionally low in the US, and multiple commentators on here have said that they literally get the flu from the vaccine. If this group were scientifically literate we wouldn’t even be having this conversation as they would understand how vaccines work, would know how to weigh the risks, and would most likely be getting their vaccines.

    When we weigh the risks of the vaccine with the risks of having a serious complication from the actual disease we do factor in both the possibility that the vaccine is ineffective and the probability of not getting sick if we don’t get the vaccine. Considering all cases vaccination still wins out because the really scary side effects happen to only a handful of people while serious complications from the actual flu happen to thousands and the percent of these thousands that are saved if everyone is vaccinated is greater than those who are harmed from the vaccine if everyone is vaccinated. That’s not to say that the serious vaccine side effects are not terrible for those people that get them. It is an area of active research to determine how to predict who will have those reactions so that they can be identified and told not to get vaccinated.

    I’m under no delusion. I realize Pharma is in the business to make money and if the public sees its products as dangerous it would loose money and therefore has a motive to hide dangers. But for the same reason they are motivated to produce safe products. Not that they are without scandal, but generally big Pharma doesn’t want to release dangerous products because the public backlash that results is bad for the bottom line. Anyway this conflict of interest is real which is why it’s important we keep an eye on big pharma. This is why government regulation and non-profit research are important.

    I’m not so cynical about the CDC. I think overall they do look out for the public’s interest. That isn’t to say there aren’t individuals with their own motives and industry connections. But not all CDC researchers have such connections and many took such positions because of a general interest in the public’s well-being.

    Anyway I don’t blindly trust Pharma and the CDC. I happen to be able to understand and have access to scientific publications by which to base my opinions. It does require me to have a certain level of trust of the scientific community. I didn’t do the experiments myself. What I know is that the experiments and data analysis were well controlled and logical and the statistics were convincing. What I see from the anti-vaccination community (which is unable to get most of its stuff published) is a lot illogical hypothesis, a lack of clear data, bad statistics, etc. It’s clearly bad science to anyone with scientific training. And the anti-vaccination community doesn’t just rely on these bad data, but on conspiracy theories, anecdotal accounts, and internet rumors.

  • dogitydog

    You just don’t seem to get it. You can defend these monsters all you want and it will not change a thing. This is where I stand. When an individual, organization or corporation etc. has lied to me, deliberately deceived me or has practiced to conceal the truth from me on any previous occasion, I will take measures to prevent them from continuing to violate my trust. When it comes to vaccines, both the manufacturers of them and the agencies that are trying to force me to be injected with them, have chosen to conduct themselves in this manner without any remorse or accountability for their actions. The fact that the companies that manufacturer these poisons cannot legally be held accountable for the injuries or deaths that they cause, creates a situation where there is no incentive for them to insure the safety of their products. At this point, if I were to continue trusting the manufacturers and the pushers of these vaccines, then I can no longer put the blame on them if I was lied to or deceived again, because I have learned from their actions what they are capable of, regardless of their intentions. If you choose put your trust in them and not learn from the past, then that is your choice and I have no problem with that, but the fact that you are so passionately determined to have me do the same provides reason for me to believe that you have a hidden agenda. In addition, if you have that much faith in vaccines, then you have no reason to be concerned if I choose not to get vaccinated since you will be protected from the disease that you were vaccinated against, in your mind. So you see, that is why anything you have to say to try and convince me to put my life and my safety in the hands of these known perpetrators is just irrelevant rhetoric to me. Now be a good boy and go eat your GMO’s.

  • dogitydog

    Feeding the trolls only encourages them to keep spewing their disinformation.

  • Ray

    How many paid internet posters have you met?

  • Maja

    I don’t know how people in us are so naive. This flu shot is only big fat bonus check for your dr.

  • Liam Mullins

    Hi Nathan
    You must be a slow learner if you kept taking the shots even though you got the flu every year. How dumb is that? I never take any vaccine and I have never had the flu. I just take vitamin C daily and I am 61 years old.

  • Nathan

    Well how was I suppose to know it directly associated with sickness at that age?

    Most kids you meet don’t even question authority or the koolaid given as public information..

  • Stacey Borenstein Clay

    Do you realize that your chances of getting Alzheimers when you get older goes up more for every year you take these aluminun filled vaccines? The damage isn”t always immediate. My mom has gotten a flu shot every year for over 20 years and guess what she’s suffering from? This information came from a doctor, btw.

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  • LeAnn Addleman

    What amazes me is that you would continue to get the shot after it made you sick and not make the connection. I hope you have learned. Sounds like you may have.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    I’m 62 and take vitamin C, E with selenium, D3 and other herbs. Never had a flu shot and never will. I’ve never had the flu either.
    If we don’t take responsibility for our own health we will surely lose it.

  • Robert Fraley

    I have not had the flu nor a flu vaccine since, ever, that i recall. The flu is just not one of my concerns since i do not accept the poison injections they call vaccines.

  • SmrtGuy

    Yup…this must be totally accurate. Vaccines don’t work at all and are killing people. Look at small pox, polio, and mumps….all coming back because people have stopped getting the Vaccines. Don’t be be stupid, vaccines do work. Pull your head out of your collective anus’ please.

    Thank you

  • shulkman

    Alzeimers from Aluminum? I thought it was ADHD from mercury… Can we please get our crackpot theories straight please?

  • shulkman

    Considering that the FLU has very little problem causing respiratory complications, especially in someone with preexisting asthma, getting a flu shot was the best way to go. You have real risk factors. Now, on the other subject… If you really feel that you shouldn’t get a flu shot and you think your company should have nothing to say about that, then tell them you’re allergic to chicken eggs. No more forcing to take a flu vaccine.

  • shulkman

    It’s rather amazing, given the huge number of people (Billions?) who have been vaccinated, yet so very few develop autism.

  • shulkman

    “The ‘doctor/pharmacist who has a doctorate’ listens to their pharmaceutical suppliers” ~~ Only when it involves new brand name drugs that cost a crap load. They will more than likely have 2 or 3 generics that’ll due the job just fine, and probably do the job better than the brand new expensive drug. However, where in the heck were the pharmacuetical suppliers in charge of their education? Colleges handle that… Not Pfizer.

  • shulkman

    How about this… Polio sucked, and it was really messing folks up left and right from the early 1900’s through the 50’s. Then, all of the sudden, the rate of infection plunged through the floor. Amazing… the vaccine must have worked.

  • shulkman

    I’m curious… How old are you, how old is your son, what age was he when he showed symptoms, what is his supposed condition and why do you think a vaccine caused it?

  • shulkman

    Amazing…. you claim all these conditions came after a swine flu vaccine, and they were all caused by mercury poisoning….. And yet, eating one can of tuna gives you far more mercury than was in that little vial. Hell, your drinking water probably has mercury in it.

  • When have you ever injected tuna?

  • Stacey Borenstein Clay

    You can think of it as a crackpot theory if you want but it’s true. Aluminum, like all other heavy metals, is a neurotoxin that damages brain tissue and your body has a difficult time releasing it. This isn’t a big secret. The information about this is out there if you care to look. In fact it’s pretty common knowledge.

  • shulkman

    “In those without allergies, aluminium is not as toxic as heavy metals, but there is evidence of some toxicity if it is consumed in amounts greater than 40 mg/day per kg of body mass.” ~Wiki. When people think of heavy metals, they think arsenic or mercury…. Stuff that has a low LD50. In order for me to have a toxic effect, I’d have to consume 2200mg of aluminum a day. Now mercury, it has a lot more potential, since it’s effects are the same in the body, whether it’s ingested, inhaled, absorbed through skin, or injected intramuscular. But, we take in small amounts all the time, and those small amounts that cause no harm are far greater than the 25 micrograms in a vaccine.

  • shulkman

    In admin, I’d think your exposure to patients would mitigate them necessitating you to get a flu shot. The funny thing is, the flu shot is the one that I don’t necessarily panic about. Unless you are at high risk healthwise or at high risk because of your job, I believe it should be a total choice. But, when I come here to these anti-vax pages, I see people rage against polio vaccines or MMR, or one of the other many really nasty ones…. the ones that kill or permanently mess up kids. I will not ever withhold those from my kids. Now, if the issue is becoming too many vaccines at one time, then screw it… I’ll tell the doc that there is a new schedule that will be followed with my kid. But they will get all the vaccines.

  • shulkman

    Whether it’s injected or ingested makes no difference. A heavy metal doesn’t get “metabolized” like food does. So, mercury from Tuna, or a vaccine, or just holding mercury in the palm of your hand (where it absorbs right through the skin)… they all introduce a dose of it into your system. The difference is what that dose is. Vaccines are far, far down at the bottom.

  • Stacey Borenstein Clay

    Wikipedia isn’t always a reliable source. Anyway, you can shoot yourself up with it all you want. I’m going to listen to my sources which come from people from the medical field.

  • Not true. Go to PUBMED and look for Aluminum adjuvant + ASIA. You’re being very judicious with your assumption.

  • shulkman

    People in the Medical Field? I thought they were all evil, greedy bastards who want to kill children in return for a 20 buck vaccination charge. As for reliable sources, you call wiki unreliable, yet you’re posting here…. Anyways, I went to wiki to get the accurate LD50 amount. The rest of it, I already knew. Arsenic, you’ve got something to worry about. Aluminum… your best chance at brain damage with it is if you’re struck with an aluminum bat.

  • Stacey Borenstein Clay

    There are some people in medicine who stand up for what’s right. Unfortunately there’s not many because when they say something against vaccines they can get in a lot of trouble. You’re wrong about the aluminum but, hey, go ahead and keep injecting yourself with this stuff. I certainly won’t try and stop you.

  • L1b3r7y

    lets look at this more closely

    “Vaccines don’t work at all”

    This isn’t stated anywhere in this article, what is clearly illustrated is that flu vaccines are not likely to have any preventative impact.

    “are killing people.”

    At least in terms of miscarriage and still birth this is clearly explained and backed with “facts”

    “Don’t be be stupid, vaccines do work. Pull your head out of your collective anus’ please.”

    Your point is rather pointless… Guess what? Antibiotics work too! So what??? Does that mean we should use lots of them for everything? Never mind that in doing so we create immune strains and super bugs?

    And does that mean we should use them if, to cut manufacturing costs and make them more profitable, they were now laced with mercury?

    Is your head so far up your own ass that you think that anyone WANTS to go back to small pox, polio, and mumps? The point is we need a better solution because death and disease by vaccine is not better than death and disease by disease. People should be aware of the facts so they can make their own decisions about their health and what risks they are willing to take.

  • L1b3r7y

    Actually these examples are NOT exaggerated, they are based on legitimate study. More likely, the actual damage caused by the misuse and poisoning of vaccines is even more horrific, just not studied and proven. I think it is being understated.

    My friend’s daughter had a child recently and told the hospital NOT to vaccinate. A nurse then took the child for some “routine” tests and brought him back. The following day the daughter felt something was wrong as the previously alert infant was now behaving lethargic and unfocused. She went to the doctor and they diagnosed the infant with autism even though there was no evidence at the time of birth and the infant passed the basic tests done at the time and now couldn’t. She then went to hospital and on the billing record found out the nurse DID vaccinate the infant AGAINST the mothers EXPLICIT request. Being a lawyer, my friend tried to sue the hospital. However the case was dismissed by the judge without even getting to present the facts to a jury. Even though it was undisputed that the hospital vaccinated the infant against the mothers will, the judge (who isn’t an expert in the effects of injecting mercury into newborn infants) ruled that there was no case to even present to a jury because he, personally, didn’t believe that the thimerosal laced vaccines could have caused any harm or damage.

  • L1b3r7y

    You do realize that eating something and injecting it into you’re blood stream is different right? you can’t compare safe levels of ingested substances to safe levels of injected substances

  • SmrtGuy

    Well Liberty….I hope you understand that there is NO mercury in the flu vaccines (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/thimerosal.htm). Sorry to take the wind out of your sails, and I really like how you use facts in quotations denoting that they are not actual facts but more like “facts” in air quotes.

    I’m pretty sure that more people die of the flu every year then they do from getting the vaccine. Have you done more research then just visiting this site? Can I ask you for credible information on how the use of vaccines creates SUPER BUGS? Because I am pretty sure there is no SUPER MUMPS, or SUPER POX or SUPER POLIO floating around out there.

  • L1b3r7y

    Sorry but your link doesn’t work when I try it. Here is the most recent one I could find that shows that, at least as of two years ago, there is mercury in some brands of flu vaccine.

    the quote were meant for emphasis, probably should have used *facts*, and the emphasis was to contrast all the evidence you have provided and continue to provide.

    As far as death by flu… most of those numbers are pretty skewed. Healthy people don’t usually get very sick from the flu, let alone die. If I was on the edge of death already and didn’t want to die, then maybe I would be interested in doing what I could to avoid getting the flu, but healthy people have no reason to fear catching normal flu strains.

    I would like to know how many people who die from the flu had their flu shots… and contrast that with how many people catch the flu and don’t die from it. But no one wants to show the contrast… My guess it would show the flu vaccine to be useless at best.

    And yes, this is my first time even on this site. And I have done plenty of research having nurses in the family that insist I get a flu shot every year. My research leads me to believe you should only get a vaccinated against serious diseases when there is a legitimate risk factor, and only if the vaccines are safe… unfortunately that leaves me being against 99% of what is out there which is unfortunate, but it doesn’t have to be that way.

    And finally I was making a parallel to antibiotic abuse. Antibiotics can be a good thing and I believe vaccines can as well. But the reality is that antibiotics are abused and so are vaccines. If you thought I was suggesting that vaccines work the same way as antibiotics or are being abused in the same way, or have the same results when abused, then you didn’t read what I said very carefully.

  • SmrtGuy

    The idea of the flu shot is not only for YOU to get sick, but also for the virus to have a shorter lifespan and not SPREAD. This is the key, its not all about ONE person, its about trying to hold back and control the virus so others who are at high risk dont get it. One of the key factors to a vaccination is to help stop the spread, not just for the person getting the vaccine.

    I don’t understand how you feel that vaccines are abused? I also live in Canada where there is no extra incentive for flu shots, other then to ease the burden on the heathcare system. If there is less people going to doctors for a virus that cannot be treated with anything, and free up more time so that can take care of people that need it.

    It is crazy for you to ask “I would like to know how many people who die from the flu had their flu shots… and contrast that with how many people catch the flu and don’t die from it. But no one wants to show the contrast… My guess it would show the flu vaccine to be useless at best.” Be realistic here. Of course thousands of people don’t die each year who get the flu. But the vaccination is a way to LOWER your chances of getting the flu. There is a lot of strains of the influenza virus floating around, and its an educated guess every year on what viruses are going to be the hard hitting ones, and yes you can still get sick when you get the shot…..BUT an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

  • L1b3r7y

    You keep claiming things but where is the evidence? you insist getting a vaccine will lower my chances of getting the flu but you claim it is crazy for ME to want to see the statistics that would prove it? I’m not being realistic to want facts but should instead be realistic and accept what someone with financial incentive to manipulate me and possibly harm me says? It isn’t realistic to want to know my REAL risk factor of dying from the flu while the news plays reruns of the same marketing campaign every year forecasting the annihilation of our species if I don’t get one? I KNOW the vaccine makers /government shills/ media are lying about some things, and I KNOW the anti vaccine people lie about things as well. As such I am a skeptic, not a blind believer in the church of vaccine or anti-vaccine. But we clearly have very different perspectives of what is insane and
    realistic and so I don’t see much value in continuing our discussion.

  • jordan

    I am truly amazed that people ignore the CDC, WHO, and NIH. Even if you think these organizations are somehow evil, just ask your health provider or any doctor for that matter. If you talk yourself into not taking the flu vaccine because of made up numbers and facts that is fine, just don’t shake my hand or give my kids hugs. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if it is ludicrous. Enjoy the flu.

  • jordan

    Just to add one more quick point, saying the the flu shot gives you the flu is equivalent to saying eating chicken gives you chicken pox. Thanks.

  • Lea

    “There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is
    effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza.
    The producers of these vaccines know they are worthless, but they go
    on selling them anyway.”

    Dr. J. Anthony Morris, Chief Vaccine Control Officer and Research
    Virologist, U.S. FDA

  • jordan

    By the way, that quote is from 1976. I hope medicine has advanced some since then. However, maybe we should return to the middle ages and give people bleedings to balance their Humors. Both seem equally based in fact.

  • Joan

    If your child was vaccinated, what are you afraid of? Getting the flu? LOL

  • AutismDad

    They need to get their investment back. They will market them in 3rd world countries if they have to.

  • AutismDad

    Fine with me.

  • AutismDad

    How do you know? You may have alzheimers already.

  • AutismDad

    Good advice and good for the gene pool

  • AutismDad

    They want to use nurses as examples of good citizens that line up to be sheared.

  • AutismDad

    MMR does not contain mercury. It would kill the live viruses, as its meant to do as a preservative.

  • Carrie B.

    I think you missed the part where I said I had a horrendous reaction to the one flu shot I was coerced into getting. Given that information, I don’t find it wise to say that getting the flu vaccine was “the best way to go.”

    By the way, the flu is going around the office, starting with everyone who got the shot that was catered in a couple months ago.

  • dogitydog

    That is one of the lamest analogies I have ever heard. People DO get the flu after getting the shot, that is a fact. The reason being that the vaccine contains the flu virus. Chickens however, have absolutely nothing to do with chicken pox. Flu vaccines have everything to do with the flu. By the way, the CDC has made a public statement that the flu vaccine will probably have no effect against the flu this season. But I’m sure that they will still inject all of the unwitting sheep that still want one anyway. Enjoy your toxic cocktail.

  • dogitydog

    To all of you sheep-drones and pharm-trolls that still believe that vaccines were invented for ‘protecting’ you, it is time to wake up. The same people that are trying to force poison into our bodies with a needle are the same people that are destroying everything that this country used to be, by creating fake tragedies such as the Sandy Hook school massacre, which has been proven to be a hoax after spending months of pumping images of murdered school children into your sleeping brains and the fake tears from the crisis actors that were hired to play the roles of grieving parents. In spite of all of the proven lies that we have been subjected to, you still insist on throwing all of your common sense out of the window and proceed with accepting your poison because the people in charge of ‘protecting’ you say it is for your own good, and you believe them because you are unable to open your eyes and see what is so obvious to those of us that are awake. Waking up to the truth is a traumatic experience, but remaining asleep is a deadly one. You are running out of time to choose. By choosing to do nothing and remaining with the herd, is the same as consenting to what you have coming. Or, you can wake up and help the rest of us fix this corrupt broken system that has been taken over by a bunch of psychopaths that will stop at nothing to accomplish their own self serving agendas.

  • Cheryl Walker

    Very well said. You made a lot more sense than the rude person you were replying to. Ignorance is bliss in some people’s world unfortunately. Then others have to suffer for their blindness.

  • BAR

    I JUST got over the flu and I survived it. It was intense but ultimately I was at fault. I was out a lot a few weeks ago with the holidays and I failed to take precautions like washing my hands, etc. I neglected to think of the thousands that were selfishly out sick. I was at a grocery store and you can tell who’s in for the holidays visiting relatives and who are the locals. There was a guy that was clearly a relative visiting and he was terribly sick, coughing, hacking, etc. It’s amazing to me how selfish people can be. This stuff is spread by selfish people who refuse to remain home. Anyway, I was at fault for not protecting myself against these idiots. I really took care of myself and am almost 75%. I didn’t go out, stayed in bed, drank lots of water and kept my fever down. I was miserable running fever off and on for several days of around 101. I refuse to have my body injected with a foreign substance out of fear. I won’t do it. I haven’t had a shot for almost 10 years and I’ve been fine. I just have to be on my guard. I wasn’t this time and it caught me OFF guard.

  • BAR

    Thank you! I did actually. And knowing that I survived just fine without the shot, is empowering.

  • guest

    not too smrtguy, polio:

    In 1958, the CDC formally adopted the “Best available paralytic poliomyelitis case count” or BAPPCC:
    “Cases must be clinically and epidemiologically compatible with poliomyelitis, must have resulted in paralysis, and must have a residual neurological deficit 60 days after onset of initial symptoms. .. the BAPPCC does not include cases of nonparalytic poliomyelitis, of those in which paralysis is more transient. The original purpose of developing these criteria was to omit cases possibly due to enteroviruses other than polioviruses.” People who showed polio like symptoms that previously would have been diagnosed as Polio were now being diagnosed as: Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP), Transverse Myelitis, Viral or Aseptic Meningitis, Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS), Chinese Paralytic Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Epidemic Cholera, Cholera Morbus, Spinal Meningitis, Spinal Apolexy, Inhibitory Palsy, Intermittent Fever, Famine Fever, Worm Fever, Bilious Remittent Fever, Ergotis, ME, Post-Polio Syndrome aka GBS. Coxsackie virus and echo viruses can cause paralytic syndromes that are clinically indistinguishable from paralytic poliomyelitis.
    Polio is more than paralysis or being encased in an iron lung. The question is always asked what happened to the iron lungs? Doesn’t that prove Polio has been eradicated/cured. No, it doesn’t. The iron lungs were replaced by oxygen tents and than respirators. So if one contracts one of the above illness and has breathing difficulties-you’ll likely to be put on a respirator or the little oxygen nose plugs. Today, If you object to taking the polio vaccine and you get polio–it is usually called “polio.” If you have been vaccinated and you get “polio”, it is called meningitis or one of the other names.
    Polio cases rose about 300 to 400% in these 5 places that made the Salk vaccine compulsory by law.

    It’s amazing how you can eradicated a disease on paper by a stroke of the pen. Change the diagnostic criteria, disease number go down. Problem solved and it deflects away from the truth:

    -In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” –Control of influenza and poliomyelitis with killed virus vaccines) sciencemag.com and a very small embedded article in the Washington Post on September 24, 1976
    -The United States Center for Disease Control (CDC) admitted that the vaccine has become the dominant cause of polio in the US today, with 87% of cases between 1973 and 1983 caused by the vaccine. More recently, 1980-1989, every case of polio in the US was caused by the vaccine.

    India: Study: Polio vaccine campaign in India has caused 12-fold increase in deadly paralysis condition: A recent report published in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics (IJME) explains that, clinically, NPAFP is indistinguishable from polio paralysis. But according to the Office of Medical & Scientific Justice
    (OMSJ), NPAFP is twice as deadly as polio paralysis, and yet was not
    even an issue in India prior to the rollout of the massive polio vaccine

    In 2011, for instance, the year in which India was
    declared to be polio-free, there were 47,500 known cases of NPAFP, which is a shockingly high figure under the circumstances. And based on data collected from India’s National Polio Surveillance Project, cases
    of NPAFP across India rose dramatically in direct proportion to the
    number of polio vaccines administered, which suggests that the vaccines
    were responsible for spurring the rapid spread of this deadly condition. http://www.naturalnews.com/035588_polio_vaccine_India_paralysis.html
    -78 percent of Pakistani children with polio were given polio vaccines
    -Untested vaccines causing new wave of polio-like paralysis across India
    -Polio Outbreak sparked by Vaccine: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21149823/ns/health-infectious_diseases/t/polio-outbreak-sparked-vaccine-experts-say/
    -Smallpox: Vaccinated Military Dad Gives Smallpox to His Own 2yr old Son MODERN WARFARE: AMERICAN SOLDIERS SPREAD SMALLPOX TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES. http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/18/us-smallpox-boy-idUSN1744524120070518

  • guest

    Compulsory Vaccination:
    – In 1854, the year England’s compulsory law went into effect, there were dramatic outbreaks throughout the country.
    – London’s epidemic of 1857-1859 had 14,000 deaths
    -From 1871-1873 all of Europe was wept with the worst epidemic in
    recorded history, as England and other countries boasted near universal coverage. England and Wales incurred more than 45,000 deaths alone.
    – The Philippines’ epidemic of 1917-1919 brought 70,000 deaths (in a population of 11 million) after the US staged a compulsory vaccination campaign there.
    -India’s epidemic of 1953 revealed that 80% of the diseased had at least one small pox vaccination and 50% had two or three. (Kempe, 1960)

    -Prussia passed a mandatory vaccination law in 1834 for smallpox along with Britain. Even to the point of forced vaccination. The results: in Prussia 35 years after this vaccination law, a smallpox epidemic which killed “124,978 of her vaccinated and re-vaccinated citizens after thirty-five years of compulsory vaccination! England?
    1857-9 — 14,244 deaths
    1863-5 — 20,059 deaths
    1868 ——– 44,840 deaths

    -US began vaccinating for smallpox 1902, England stopped by 1907, Holland 1928 & Australia 1925. Why? The smallpox vaccine not only
    didn’t work, but was dangerous and often fatal. The US stopped vaccinating in 1971, the last holdout in the world. From 1950 to 1970,
    zero cases of wild smallpox were reported in the U.S. After several years there are now a few cases of smallpox, but they only occured among the ranks of the vaccinated! (Scheibner). Smallpox vaccination in the U.S. persisted another 30 years after the disease was at an incidence of practically zero. Again, the only source of death from smallpox in
    the U.S. for 30 years was from the vaccine itself. (Mendelsohn, p 232, World Book, 1994). Today smallpox occurs nowhere in nature. The only time smallpox occurs-it’s from the vaccine. Which is why it was stopped.

    *July 16, 2009 – Stricken Marine spurs lawmaker’s amendment – Marine Corps Times
    *[2009 July] Vaccine leaves nurse disabled. Nurse fights hospital over smallpox shot” & Vaccine leaves nurse disabled. Nurse fights hospital over smallpox shot The Cincinnati Enquirer • July 12, 2009

    Smallpox was declared eradicated, yet still infects humans today. By Viera Scheibner, PhD:http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/04/02/smallpox-declared-eradicated-while-still-alive-and-well-by-viera-scheibner-phd

    “It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we ever vanquished smallpox with vaccines, when only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated.”
    Glen Dettman A.M.M., BA, Ph.D., F.A.P.M.

  • guest

    -Merck is sued by former virologist employees for deliberately falsifying mumps vaccine efficacy studies: http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/merck-is-sued-by-former-virologist-employees-for-deliberately-falsifying-mumps-vaccine-efficacy-studies/
    -Judge: Lawsuit Against Merck’s MMR Vaccine Fraud to Continue:
    -Doctors Agree: Ineffective Vaccine Responsible for Hockey League Mumps Epidemic: Ironically, the mumps vaccine itself makes these outbreaks inevitable. http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/doctors-agree-ineffective-vaccine-responsible-for-hockey-league-mumps-epidemic/
    -Why Doctors Aren’t Shocked That Mumps Have Hit the NHL :http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/mumps-in-nhl_b_6351358.html
    -Mumps Vaccine Proves Ineffective as Outbreaks Among Fully Vaccinated Increase: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/mumps-vaccine-proves-ineffective-as-outbreaks-among-fully-vaccinated-increase/
    -Students at Fordham University Experiencing Mumps Outbreak Even though They were Vaccinated Against It: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/students-at-fordham-university-experiencing-mumps-outbreak-even-though-they-were-vaccinated-against-it/
    -Mumps Vaccine Failure: Mumps Outbreaks in 2013 Among Vaccinated

  • AutismDad

    Actually Adam Lanza was a 90’s vaccine victim like most shooters this decade.

  • Ben William

    The 2014 flu vaccine has at least 1 live virus (maybe two) in it. Never the less, the medical community has documented this was the worst year for viral ‘shedding’ by those who got the vaccine to those who had not received the vaccine, than in years past. Couple that fact, with fact the big pharma and big media used the Ebola hype to push people into taking this years flu vaccine, making this year’s flu shot turn out the largest in many years. Big pharma is fully aware that the higher the number of flu shots doled out the worst ‘flu season’ there is. Which, creating disease, has ALWAYS been the business model for the vaccine industry going all the way back to the 19th century.

  • Observer

    The other thing to note is try not to use medication to bring the fever down. Fever is the body’s defence against infections and is best to let run its course. Other than that, our own immune system and its strength is responsible for how we handle a disease.

  • Observer

    It’s ridiculous isn’t it :) how we let these things happen to us. When it is up to us ultimately whether vaccine sales rocket or go down in flames. We hold the power yet most of us don’t realize that much.

  • Observer

    Scientists don’t guess? Lol. Where have you been living? They keep developing and retracting flu vaccines that missed the year’s flu, saying “oops we guessed wrong this year.” Scientists are people. And people are often wrong. Theories in science are given up and changed all the time. Stop making scientists gods. They are arrogant yes. But human. The other thing is, the scientific world is often divided on an issue. This issue is no different. There is a whole lot of science supporting the idea that vaccine safety and effectiveness is yet to be proven. (Or rather is currently disproved by a fair amount of studies all over the world) what you see in mainstream accepted “scence” therefore is a scewed picture, at best, serving the interest of those who stand to profit, using those who operate in good faith or are too busy to look into it. If the sources on which your belief system is built are flawed, the house of cards falls to nothing. And anyone who is open to objectivity will know there are two sides to this issue. Not just the one presented to you by mainstream “science” with its corrupt “peer review” process. Over 7 years of research looking at both sides will open your mind to a lot of possibilities. May the truth prevail.

  • Sandyk

    The vaccine cannot give you the flu but may cause flu-like symptoms as the immune system is reaction to the vaccine (what I was told by HRSA). Flu-like symptoms is a very common system of Viral Myocarditis, and inflammation of the heart caused by a recent viral infection, the disease that took the life of my otherwise healthy nineteen year old son thirty days after receiving the 2009 H1N1 Flumist vaccine.

  • Lea

    Another of Dr Morris’ quotes….”There is a great deal of evidence to prove that mmunization of children does more harm
    than good.”

    Check out what happened to Dr. Morris when he exposed the flu
    vaccine fraud on national television during the Ford administration.


    And no, when it comes to vaccines, medicine has NOT advanced
    since then. No accountability & no liability =. More & more
    dangerous & fast-tracked vaccines added to the schedule.

  • Andrea Monica

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  • Andrea Monica

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  • James Kaelin

    I grew up in the Country and never had a shot! I was scared of Dr’s. In 1970 I joined the Air Force and was forced to get a Flu shot, hence I was sick my entire time in Boot Camp, I haven’t had another shot!!! and haven’t drank a drop of plain water in 44yrs. I’ve never had the Flu since and I’m healthy as a horse! you can take all of my shots, and keep your children locked up in the house. LOL the folks in Germany thought the Government wouldn’t lie to them either.

  • James Kaelin

    Stick your head back in the Sand that’s where it belongs…….

  • James Kaelin

    Roger that, and the CDC lied to us about EBOLA!!! our own Army Labs have had a Vaccine for EBOLA for over 10 years, and THAT’S A FACT!

  • James Kaelin

    Why people believe in the CDC is beyond me! there is no way in HELL that a Lab Rat’s DNA is anywhere close to ours. Funny how most animals eat their own poop when they are sick to get better! and the CDC says eating our own will kill us, Hmmmmmmmm in Viet Nam we drank our own Pee lot’s of times. Oh geeeeeze I’m still here. :)

  • We are all aware of Baxters swine flu vaccines were laced with live flu virus, but discovered before distribution by Zchec scientists.

    It was following that discovery I decided to opt out of the winter flu vaccination, and any other vaccinations.

    For years previously, following each flu jab, I had a series of perpetual colds, one after the other, I used to live on cold remedies. Over the last four years, of non vaccination, these winter successive colds have not occurred, and even my sceptical wife refused her shots this year.

    I am now being offered Statins to reduce cholesterol, however when I stated that reducing cholesterol by allowing it to leak into blood cells, and killing them, was stupid, they left me alone.

  • shulkman

    I do realize that, as I actually have training when it comes to the administration routes of medications, how well each route works, and the LD50 of the supposed bad chemicals.

  • shulkman

    They’re filling vaccines with aluminum now? I thought it was mercury…. I sure wish folks would get their stories straight. And while we know that mercury is bad (crosses the blood brain barrier readily, is fat soluble, can be absorbed through the skin when it’s in it’s liquid form) the amount of mercury in vaccines are tiny…. really tiny. As in you’ll get a heck of a lot more mercury exposure from a can of tuna salad.

  • Stacey Borenstein Clay

    Yes there is aluminum in vaccines. It’s stated in the vaccine inserts. And it’s a well known fact aluminum is linked to Alzheimers.

  • Barbara

    You are literally too stupid for words and don’t understand how chemicals or vaccines work.

  • jeremiah

    the experts guess? how about you figure out how to cure these influenzas, because this senseless article here is not doing anything to cure disease . Do you realize how badly third world countries want vaccines? You are under informed living in a fantasy first world community where you think drinking mushroom juice and sleeping in trees will cure everything, newsflash, it wont. Since the beginning of the human era, we have been trying to make life better, ridding disease has always been one of the foremost things on that agenda. As our knowledge progressed, we have discovered better ways to do this, as of right now, vaccines are our best bet, not hippy avoid it and hope for the best stuff. When you get measles because you did not get the vaccine and get deathly ill and start infected other people too blind to see the truth then you will realize your mistake. Why would you want to hold back our scientific research? Do you wan scientists not to cure cancer because it could pose a health risk? Seriously, these articles accomplish nothing and scare people into making mal informed decisions from reading mal informed articles. Good job buddy

  • Guest

    Sounds like someones afraid of needles.

  • dontWorryaboutIt

    Sounds like someone is afraid of needles.

  • AutismDad

    sounds like someone is a parrot

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  • Toni

    Measles/flu/whooping cough…………..are diseases of the immunized.
    Where/who do you think the non immunized get it from??? They get it from the immunized while they’re shedding the disease……….for at least a week after having the needle. If you want to vaccinate go right ahead but stay away until YOU stop spreading it. Cheers

  • shulkman

    I stated that reducing cholesterol by allowing it to leak into blood cells, and killing them, was (the) stupid(est thing to ever come out of my mouth in all the years I’ve been on this planet.)

    There, I fixed your statement. Obviously, not a worker in any proper medical field, nor able to pick up a reference and actually read factual information. Statins do carry a risk of liver dysfunction because they do their work in the liver… So, a liver function test should be done before starting treatment, and then every 3-4 months after. Those folks who do have problems with the liver/statin combo, typically already have some “liver abuse” in their past or present. Cirrhosis, hepatitis, etc. But, the doctor weighs your liver enzymes against the improvement in your cholesterol to decide if the benefit better for you overall. But, statins don’t “allow cholesterol to leak into blood cells and kill them.” That just blows me away. Pick yourself up a drug refernce book (the NDR is a good one that I use). Learn how the meds actually work before opening your mouth again.

  • shulkman

    Yes, that’s all the best way to do things… until the body starts going a little overboard which tends to happen. It’s how you wind up with dead influenza patients. Body thinks fever is good, but it’s not quite warm enough, so it take you from 100.4 to 106 and your brain melts. Or, you get an overzealous immune response and the body tries to protect the lungs, and you wind up drowning from pulmonary edema. The body’s responses aren’t always entirely beneficial. Break your arm, it swells up from all the prostaglandin being released to the site. Because of the “overdose” of the enzyme, it retards the healing process. That’s why they give you Ibuprofen. It doesn’t do crap for pain, but it does get the prostaglandin under control.

  • shulkman

    Please, put this guy in a rubber room, order a psych eval, start him on anti psychotics. That is just way too much crazy in one body.

  • not fair

    In a free country, it is the duty of free minds to seek proper information to make a important educated decisions. In my opinion, 60% of the United State population are lazy brain idiots. Simon-says, these peons do. What vacinations are are either dead or weak virus of the same you are being inoculated against being send into your otherwise healty system. This mean you DON’T have the virus, but you are having the virus shot into your body so you can develop immunity for a desease NOT in your system. So for the innate-idiots who believe in this logic you should go get the ebola or the HIV virus shot into you so your body would develop immunity. While your at it, you should get ALL virus-vacines in existence and shoot them into your system so you can be superman!

  • not fair

    Gee, what corp-news media did you educate yourself in! Idiot speaks, so idiots thinks like an idiot. You cannot CURE cancer–never, because ALL cells in your body can go bad–and that’s what cancer really is: cells going bad–dead cells that don’t die. That’s all I say because anymore would be a waste of my time until you learn some for yourself.

  • not fair

    Adding to your accurate comment: Healty people gets the virus that they originally did not have sent into their system; a healty body detects the virus and starts to produce its own ‘pharm’ response to knock out the weaker strain of the injected virus. (I don’t believe the pharms for on minute that the virus in the injections are DEAD viruses–if it is dead, the body’s immune system would not be triggered to attack it.) The body acts like a pharm-lab trying the various combination of cellular-chemical-activities (I don’t know the exact term) to kill the virus and block the virus from reproducing or hijacking other cells. During this period of body-immunity-warfare, the inoculated are live carriers so I agree with you 100%: all inoculated should stay home for 2 weeks to prevent from spreading the virus.

  • not fair

    Good for you! And good for your body as now it had developed a NATURAL self produced long lasting immunity.

  • not fair

    The by-product of energy is heat–the higher the temperature, the harder or more cellular activities: all the nano cells in your body busily working hard to protect you–doing what they were designed to do. Fever is not the defense itself but the by-product heat from the body’s trillions of cells working.

  • Darg Varg

    Save your bullshit for the weak minded over at the pro vaccination sites

  • James Peters

    A 2012 meta analysis found that flu shots were efficacious 67% of the time; the populations that benefited the most were HIV-positive adults ages 18-55 (76%), healthy adults ages 18-46 (around 70%) and healthy children ages 6 to 24 months (66%) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22032844

  • LeAnn Addleman

    It’s better not to get them in the first place. Try washing your hands once in awhile, other people have no idea where your hands have been. And stay away from healthy people for at least a month after your flu shot. Nobody wants to get your flu.

  • LeAnn Addleman

    Up to 21 days or more.

  • Thespina Diaz

    PLEASE start taking your meds

  • AMusso

    I had the H1N1 vaccine. I am not sure the exact correlation, however I spent almost 15 years suffering, misdiagnosed with depression, having my thyroid checked, being told my suffering was all in my head only to find out that I had Narcolepsy! There’s no cure for it and I have to live with this barely tolerable condition for the rest of my life. I will never live a “normal” life. I do not get flu shots anymore and I do not get my children flu shots either. I get a lot of dirty looks when people find out that I don’t get my kids vaccinated every year. But I can tell you one thing, we never get sick. And if we do we recover very quickly for the most part.

  • AutismDad

    Its hard to realize vaccines are NOT health giving and are really just experiments that can go wrong. Screw those who are pro-vac, do whats best for yourself and family.

  • ZZ

    Thank you so much for proving this point. Another thing that I might add is that this is a very slanted website, and many of his sources were written by him too.

  • Deon Fair

    Dr. Oz is a fake and the article is written by a father whose kid was “injured” by a vaccination. The article is completely biased.

  • Paula

    A drug reference book! One written by drug manufacturers. Very cool.

  • Tammy Brown

    Another reason is that the flu shot can result in Vaccine Associated Enhanced Respiratory Disease, VAERD, which can be fatal. FDA did this study in baby pigs, same can happen in humans. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2013/08/swine-study-suggests-flu-vaccination-may-sometimes-backfire

  • Tammy Brown

    Flu shots can and do cause paralysis in many people. Remember, “IT is NEVER acceptable to sacrifice a healthy neurological system for temporary, if any immunity against a germ that one may never encounter!!!”

  • Lindaxox

    Dr Oz is a fake! Fake heart surgeon? Fake Dr? He doesn’t push drugs so naturally not popular in those circles. He has done more for health than any Dr. Health and prevention is not what Dr’s are into obviously. They are and should be for crisis but if you live right you won’t get there.

  • jakson greene

    My issue with getting the flu shot has little to do with any scientific evidence for or against … and I understand both sides of the argument having worked in the medical forum for almost 30 years. My issue stems from being “mandated” to get them. I find it personally objectionable that ANYONE has anything to say about what should or should not be forced into my body and would never force anyone to do something they were against. I wouldn’t want someone to force nicotine, illegal drugs, or alcohol into my body and those can all be incredibly toxic substances. I have no issues washing my hands, wearing a mask if sick or others are, avoiding people when I’m sick, etc. I cannot understand these days why anyone feels they have the rights to invade MY body, life, or beliefs, however it seems that is the way the world is headed. What happened to freedom of choices? Are they only a choice if they agree with everyone else’s?

    I would also not attack anyone’s choice TO get the vaccine if they should so choose. I would hope though, in the future if they find out it maybe wasn’t the best choice because of a possible side effect that occurs and is attributed to that vaccine, they would take the high road and not sue everyone involved in their choice. After all, it was a CHOICE. I am an adult, and I for one was taught that I ultimately had to take responsibility for my choices. Or, is that not true any more?

  • Kendall

    Number 6 is my favorite! Obviously you are going to get the “flu” after the shot. They are introducing a dead virus into your system so it can create a defense. The flu shot is to prevent worse thing like Influenza!!!

  • looneytoonsindville

    The only time I got the flu was when I took a flu shot. So about 10 years ago I stopped getting one. Haven’t had a bout of flu since then!

  • Mike

    So, this is where all the weirdos go to get their pompous BS. Really people, the flu is not something you want to get and over 50,000 people die from it a year. Not getting a flu shot is about as idiotic as staring at the sun. How many people die from the flu shot every year? That would be zero, but it doesn’t stop the idiots in believing in the stupidity spread by websites like this one. Wake up morons!

  • Mike

    You’re free to make assumptions based on the little voice in your mind, but without credentials, a medical degree or serious studies in the field of preventive medicine, your guessing is not intelligence at work, it’s arrogance and stupidity. I bet your one of those that crawls into work sick because of your self centered, narcissistic arrogance too. People like you are the reason that measles, small pox, polio and a host of other diseases have made a comeback because you believe versus what is reality. Get a flu shot or risk spending a week in bed, sicker than you can imagine and possibly spreading it to one of the 50,000 people who die from it each year.

  • Mike

    Could you give us the link to all those stats for the causation of getting a flu shot? Preferably a link from a scientific body of work versus some exploitative, bs laden drivel and misinformed website that you have learned from that has no evidence to back up their claims? I won’t be waiting because I know you can’t.

  • Mike

    And what do pigs have in common with humans? Do you eat garbage from the ground, including rotten, spoiled feed? Where in the article or what evidence do you have that this is happening in humans? Your accusations are without merit.

  • Mike

    Sorry honey, but doctor oz has been taken to the woodshed a number of times by actual physicians. He has more in common with a juggler vying for attention than anyone in the medical field.

  • Mike

    Making excuses because of your genetics like you do is a disservice to your family. 50,000 people a year die from the flu. How many people die a year from genetically scripted autism? That would be zero.

  • Mike

    That doesn’t prevent websites like this one from bolstering ridiculous, unscientific claims. People go to great length to blame everyone, but themselves for not being who they think they should be. Genetics, and their DNA are mostly responsible for their shortcomings, but its easier to be comfortable with themselves blaming everything and anybody else. No one is perfect and the grass always looks greener over there. Live with what you have and make the best of it.

  • Mike

    Hahahahahahahaaha. And when you get the flu because you were not vaccinated, I hope you have your will written and realize that 50,000 people will die from the influenza because of your self centered, narcissistic and arrogant behavior.

  • Mike

    Your brain is infected with ignorance and that is the more deadly than anything you will or have encountered in your life. Unless your in the medical field, biological sciences, you are no better than someone throwing a dart upward and guessing that it didn’t hit you because you know it won’t. Your stupidity is a curse.

  • Mike

    They left you alone for the same reason they wouldn’t treat a rock for a virus. Sometimes you just need to let people jump off the cliff they though would bring them paradise. A good thing for everyone.

  • lmaddleman

    News flash!!! I have never had a flu shot and I work around children all day everyday. I have not gotten the flu and I have a strong immune system. You, sir, are ill-informed.
    It’s been proven that by simply washing our hands often, eating good clean healthy food, getting plenty of rest drinking plenty of clean water and reducing stress will prevent disease. The cure for cancer is already here, hidden so that scientists can get more and more grants for “research” and so the pharmaceutical companies can profit from medications and vaccines, which don’t work for most people.
    How many times have you gotten the flu after getting a flu shot? Did you make the correlation? Measles, mumps, chicken pox were all harmless childhood diseases that gave lifelong immunity. I had all of them and I have that immunity. Who is the one that is scared of everybody who has the sense to do their own reading? If the vaccines work, as we’re told, why would you be concerned about someone who decides not to vaccinate?

  • lmaddleman

    There are cures for cancer but big pharma doesn’t want it made available because there goes their cash cow. They make big$$$$$ off of their concoctions that cause much more suffering than good.

  • lmaddleman

    Poor ill-informed soul. I suppose you believe everything that comes from big pharma, CDC, FDA and every other source that tells you to “get your damn vaccines”? You don’t know that they all profit from the administration of vaccines and their poison concoctions? Try doing some real research.

  • lmaddleman

    Makes really good money and they can’t be sued when people get sick or die from their “snake oil”.

  • lmaddleman

    300 of them this year waiting in the wings. 170 are being fast tracked to be added to the current schedule ASAP.

  • lmaddleman

    50,000??? Seriously, you should do more research on that one. The CDC’s figures are closer to 36,000 and that is fabricated. It’s actually between 600 and 750, and there are some questions as to whether all of those are actually from the flu. People die after getting the shot each year. Can you count that?

  • lmaddleman

    Check the CDC’s vaccine inserts for ingredients. The flu vaccine still has mercury (thimerasol).

  • Lindaxox

    Yes one of the Drs spent time in prison, one had lost his license, 3 were from the “tobacco science” industry…
    This parent who wrote the article has firsthand experience, good research skills, the compassion to help others and has lots of knowledge.
    Why are you on this site?? Who are you to tell anyone they need to inject themselves with neurotoxins? You keep doing it, that is your right. I will never do it, never have, never had any kind of flu.

  • Lindaxox

    At least 100,000 die from properly administered prescription drugs.

  • Lindaxox


  • James Peters

    Thimerasol is not elemental mercury for a start. Why is this still a problem with some?

  • lmaddleman

    Thimerasol is a mercury derivative and is a neuro-toxin. That’s why it’s still a problem.

  • AutismDad

    And you would be a zero for posting nonsense.

  • Mike

    Why is it than that a group of doctors that work with him have accused him, Dr. OZ of “manifesting an egregious lack of integrity and have called out his faculty position at Columbia University unacceptable”?
    You are worried about neurotoxins? Unless you live in a chamber enriched with oxygen and eat only sterilized foods, you are exposed to them daily.
    If you never had the flu, why would you be on a website like this one spreading falsehoods and pseudo scientific analysis? Maybe you spend more time studying mental disorders because honestly, that is where you will find your problems.

  • Mike

    Really? So, are you saying that the flu pandemic of 1918 didn’t happen? 50 to 100 million people or 3 to 5 percent of the worlds population died as a result of the flu. Does that make sense?

  • Mike

    Provide a link to your completely fabricated lie that people have died from the flu shot.

  • Mike

    You can make up all the numbers you want. The problem is, you can not substantiate your ridiculous statements because they are not based in reality. You are a descendant of the same group of people who thought the earth was flat. Face it, you are a numb skull.

  • Mike

    You are a victim of your own stupidity.

  • AutismDad

    Some claim it was all caused by an experimental vac given to troops and it was spread by shedding.

  • lmaddleman
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  • lmaddleman


    People not only die, they are afflicted with a number of illnesses and diseases after having the flu shot.

  • lmaddleman
  • lmaddleman


    More? These are just the top few stories on google when I searched “people who die from flu shots”.

  • lmaddleman


    This is not just about flu shots. Take a look at all vaccines on the current schedule for children before age 5.

  • lmaddleman


    What did I say about good clean food, clean water, washing hands, plenty of sleep? If you have the time, it’s 18 minutes.

  • lmaddleman


    This is a list of doctors who speak out against vaccines.
    It’s a long one. Check out each one. But I’m sure you won’t because you have your mind made up.

  • lmaddleman


    And why did so many people die in 1918?

  • Lindaxox

    LOL you are such an obvious troll, you are suppose to pretend you are not one.

  • Mike

    Wrong! She died from the flu, not the shot. She got the flu, and than received the shot. Try again………..

  • lmaddleman

    Which link did you look at? Did you check out all of them? I don’t think so. What I don’t get is why you’re on this site? You’re obviously pro vaccine. Are you here to play devil’s advocate or just argue with people, thinking you are an expert on the topic?

  • Lindaxox


  • Lindaxox

    This goes for you as well and your assumptions. You are not a MD or a scientist, you are a TROLL. Can you grasp that reality?

  • Advocate355

    I looked up one of the physicians and easily found his stance on vaccines. He believed all children should have them.
    You anti-vaccination advocates can believe whatever you want, but you cannot claim these beliefs are scientific. They simply are not. I prefer the scientific method over beliefs based on anecdotal evidence.

  • The Hitman

    I happen to prefer not to inject myself with poison. Thank you very much mike. If that makes me a moron then so be it. When you finally get educated enough to be a moron, you should stop injecting yourself and your children with poison also. It is ignorance that this gentleman is trying to stop. People do not know what to do. They trust the government to take care of them. You should be able to trust what they say. If they say they are safe, they should be. There are so many people hurting from unknown causes that we must stop all of the possibilities of toxic materials getting into our bodies and the bodies of our children. Period.

  • Celeste Rogers
  • Herm

    Do you really think that the Pharmaceutical company’s are going to publish how many people die from the flu shots? You wake moron. Stop being sheeple.

  • John

    Source number 9 says 1-2% infection while 80% dispersal. THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING. please keep in mind that the 80% revolves around the concept of release into the air not into the body. Your facts are dangerously misguided. Please consider reviewing your sources perhaps with the help of a researcher who can read the lingo

  • Bobbi-jo Roy

    Hey everyone. . I’m hoping someone can help me?? I am very malnourished due to bowel obstruction and I went into Dr office today for a weekly check up and he told me how important it was to get the flu shot where I’m so weak. reluctant to get it he kind of had it out and ready to inject in my arm before I could make a decision. immediately after getting injected I felt weird. like everything in the room was more colorful and felt a little cloudy . it’s been 2 hours since I got the shot and I just feel like I took speed and I feel like weak in my arms and legs. I do panic easily due to all my health issues so I don’t know if it’s just me panicking or if I’m having a bad reaction. I’m very worried and hope someone can help me

  • Lou

    REASON #9: The “Flu Shot” CANNOT work even in THEORY,

    Huffington Post: “Flu Vaccine Doesn’t Protect Against This Season’s Most Dominant Strain”

    This is the great con of the “Flu Vaccination”. Even if the “Season’s Most
    Dominant Strain” was matched and worked it would have about a 1%
    improvement in the weighted number of cases prevented. AND this does not
    include the immense RISK you take any time you let the KNOWN liars
    inject you with ANYTHING.

    There are THREE things to protect against here the toxic worthless “flu vaccination” and the common usually harmless seasonal flu and All VIRAL INFECTION. This protocol does all three.

    “There are many other viruses besides influenza that can result in influenza-like illness* (ILI) that spread during the flu season.” CDC

    “What this means, of course, is that the CDC and various other major mouthpieces for public health are struggling to maintain the flu vaccine lie, as no matter how many people get the flu shot, flu outbreaks only continue to intensify. If anything, this shows that widespread malnutrition, lack of vitamin D, and toxic environments, and not a lack of flu shots, is to blame for the current flu epidemic.” CDC Admits Flu Vaccine’s Ineffectiveness

    “The majority of viral respiratory disease (influenza-like illness (ILI)) is caused by many different agents which are not clinically distinguishable from one another. A variable proportion of ILI (7% to 15% on average) is caused by influenza viruses and is known as influenza.” Flu Shot 1% effective no evidence that vaccines prevent viral transmission or complications Note Vitamin D is almost 100% effective for ALL (Hundreds) of viruses not just 3 viruses.


  • Lou

    “And what do pigs have in common with humans?”


    So what makes this farm animal so valuable for medical research? Outwardly, pigs and people seem drastically different; we share only three scientific classifications, and we certainly don’t look alike.

    “If [something] works in the pig, then it has a high possibility of working in the human.” – Michael Swindle, author of “Swine in the Laboratory”

    It just so happens that, despite our differences, many of the pig’s biological systems are very similar to our own.


  • Lou

    “50,000 people a year die from the flu.”

    Wow the CDC told us it was 36.000 for decades.

    The CDC has CONTINUOUSLY overstated the mortality of seasonal influenza often by over 100 fold. For many decades the CDC told us each and every year that influenza killed 36,000 of us each year. They are NOW saying they have no idea how many die from the seasonal flu. We know it is less than 700/year for MOST years, perhaps MUCH less if based on serological results.

    Only slightly overstated figures from the UK imply less than 200/year die in the USA from influenza A or B. Based on serological results my guess is it is a mere handful.

    Source: UK Office of National Statistics, 2009 Data


  • Lou

    So, are you saying that the flu pandemic of 1918 didn’t happen?

    Well the numbers are all over the lot BUT we know the causes.

    If you take the considerable time to read and investigate the above very insightful papers you may come to these conclusions.

    The Rockefeller Medical Interests were DEEPLY involved in all phases of the 1918 Pandemic

    Common Influenza and more dangerous TB may be caused by different forms of the same pathogen

    The base killing agent in 1918 may very well have been
    the TB BACILLUS in its two forms

    LACK of vitamin C due to MANY causes played a BIG part in that it allowed the bacteria to kill

    ASPIRIN played a big part in that it lowered vitamin C levels in both the critically ill and those who would get ill

    Rockefeller manufactured “vaccines” were likely LARGELY causative of the 1918 Pandemic

    It is likely NO VIRUSES were meaningfully involved in the 1918 pandemic

    These facts were (and are) deliberately obfuscated

    1918 like most pandemics was man made and NEEDLES were a REQUIRED part

    Only truly evil people manufacture pandemics to murder
    tens of millions or more


    Only frightening politically powerful people can get away
    with this mass murder

  • Lou

    He needs to go back to Troll School.

  • Lou

    “Obviously you are going to get the “flu” after the shot.”

    Yes but a very mild case NOT be hospitalized for a week or two or worse die.

    23 Seniors Died After Receiving Flu Shot Sold by Pharmacies Note 23 out of about 2800; so if you get this poison every year how many years do you think you will last?


  • Lou

    “I don’t know if it’s just me panicking or if I’m having a bad reaction. I’m very worried and hope someone can help me”

    No it is not just you IMO. MANY more are damaged than helped.

    “Circulating Immune Complexes are the antigen (bad guy) plus antibody (policeman) pairs that clog up the bloodstream, can plug the kidneys
    and even implant in tissue so that the body recognizes itself as being
    contaminated and attacks itself. That last one is the very definition of
    autoimmunity. They call it something different in medical texts to cover
    up the fact that they caused it with vaccines and don’t want anyone to know
    about it.” Patrick Jordan


  • Mike

    Blah, blah, blah.
    Do you have a medical degree or are you related to Jessie Ventura?
    I am pretty sure you fall under the later because you have nothing to stand on, but lies and conjecture.

  • Mike

    Why not call your doctor’s office instead of coming on this sight which is based on paranoia, conjecture, stupidity and fools? By the way, yes it is your anxiety that is getting the best of you……….

  • Mike

    Really Lou, you are mistakenly wrong and have absolutely no evidence what so ever that “MANY more are damaged by “vaccination” than helped.” You do far more harm than good and without a medical degree, you are nothing, but a snake oil salesman peddeling a bottle of water.

  • Mike

    Have another cigarette and beer. That will help settle down your over engaged tiny brain. Quell the paranoia…………

  • Mike

    I am sure the government of the United States is complicit too, right loser? Jump off a cliff lemming with the rest of you paranoid nut jobs that sit on here spreading your insanity.

  • Mike

    Yea! I got an upset stomach from eating, so I never did it again…………..Duh……

  • Mike

    You, me and everyone else will live a lot longer not listening to information on websites like this one.

  • Mike

    Yes, I live under a bridge waiting for stupid humans that come along and than I bang them back to there senses with educated information, not lies and ridiculous claims which define your existence.

  • Mike

    I stopped reading right after you brought up the Rockefellers. My, my, my, you really are a paranoid knuckle dragger of the lowest common denominator.

  • Mike

    Hahahahahaha, there are very small handful of scientists that deny global warming. That hasn’t stopped an entire political party from following that line of stupidity either.

  • looneytoonsindville

    Hope you died a ghastly death so you won’t be making any more stupid comments like this one. My comment was based on personal experience of getting the flu year after year when I got vaccinated. Your comment is based on pure stupidity flowing out of an empty mind with nothing better to do!

  • lmaddleman

    So I’m guessing you believe in “global warming”? They now call it “global climate change”. It’s just more fake science in order to tax us more. Climate changes constantly without attributing it to “science”.
    I’ll bet you believe in fairies and unicorns too?!!

  • lmaddleman

    And the only way you can reply to facts is to call people names??? Brilliant!!!

  • Lou

    Please present some EVIDENCE any fool can blabber.

  • Lou

    Please present some EVIDENCE any fool can blabber. I notice ALL your posts contain NO evidence. Want me to give you some? LOL

    “There are many other viruses besides influenza that can
    result in influenza-like illness* (ILI) that spread during the flu
    season.” CDC

    So are you saying the CDC is WRONG about this.

  • Lou

    Nice knowing you.

    Package insert for Fluzone flu vaccine marketed to seniors reveals 23 seniors died during drug trial


  • Lou

    Goodness you are giving the word SHILL a bad name,

    “What this means, of course, is that the CDC and various
    other major mouthpieces for public health are struggling to maintain the flu vaccine lie, as no matter how many people get the flu shot, flu outbreaks only continue to intensify. If anything, this shows that widespread malnutrition, lack of vitamin D, and toxic environments, and not a lack of flu shots, is to blame for the current flu epidemic.” CDC admits Flu Vaccine’s Ineffectiveness


  • Lou

    Did you ever DIE from eating?

    23 Seniors Died After Receiving Flu Shot Sold by Pharmacies Note 23 out of about 2800; so if you get this poison every year how many years do you think you will last?


  • Lou

    Please present some EVIDENCE any fool can blabber. I notice ALL your posts contain NO evidence. Want me to give you some?LOL

    “People like you are the reason that measles, small pox, polio and a host of other diseases have made a comeback ”

    Please present some EVIDENCE any fool can blabber. I notice ALL your posts contain NO evidence. Want me to give you some?LOL

    Get a flu shot or risk spending a week in bed, sicker than you can imagine”

    Please present some EVIDENCE any fool can blabber. I notice ALL your posts contain NO evidence. Want me to give you some?LOL I love your FEAR approach. “Vaccination” is SOLD through FEAR and AUTHORITY/ Well at least you have the FEAR part.

    “spreading it to one of the 50,000 people who die from it each year.”

    Please present some EVIDENCE any fool can blabber.

  • Lou

    Yeah but he is probably getting way too much money for his down on the floor skills.

  • Lou

    Have YOU ever documented ANYTHING. You insult people and little else.

  • Lou

    How the Rockefeller Foundation Quietly Funded the Anti-Fertility Vaccine


    Too bad you read at the third grade level.You might learn something

  • Lou

    “I looked up one of the physicians and easily found his stance on vaccines. He believed all children should have them.”

    Did he tell you WHY or were you just impressed by his purported AUTHORITY?

    After five decades of dealing with doctors I can tell you MANY doctors are making MANY mistakes about MANY things and the treatment of MANY diseases, Often this is not their problem. The Rockefeller gang forces them to only use “approved treatment”.

    “The majority of viral respiratory disease (influenza-like illness (ILI))
    is caused by many different agents which are not clinically distinguishable from one another. A variable proportion of ILI (7% to 15% on average) is caused by influenza viruses and is known as influenza.”
    Flu Shot 1% effective no evidence that vaccines prevent viral transmission or complications Note Vitamin D is almost 100% effective for ALL (Hundreds) of viruses not just 4 viruses.


  • Lou


    We were having so much fun.

  • Lou

    So you Shill for “global warming” too. Which pays better?

    “A recent survey of American Meteorological Society members shows meteorologists are skeptical that humans are causing a global warming crisis. The survey confirms what many scientists have been reporting for years; the
    politically focused bureaucratic leadership of many science
    organizations is severely out of touch with the scientists themselves regarding global warming issues.”


  • Advocate355

    I researched that physician because he is used here as an AUTHORITY “against” vaccines. This told me that that information on this site is not accurate.
    To me there is no point in debating this topic with individuals. People who want to believe despite years of data and research will continue to do so.
    Quotes without peer reviewed journal citations are factually useless.

  • Lou

    Evidence, Evidence, Evidence, Evidence, Evidence, Evidence, Evidence,

  • Lou

    “Quotes without peer reviewed journal citations are factually useless.”

    So you have no ability to think for yourself? How do you not know you are not acting as a sheep being led to the slaughter?

    “There are many other viruses besides influenza that can result in influenza-like illness* (ILI) that spread during the flu season.” CDC

    Is the authority of the CDC not greater than your doctor’s?

    So who do you believe both are authorities in your eyes. You have the ability to think this one out.

    What did the CDC say?

    “There are many other viruses besides influenza that can result in influenza-like illness* (ILI) that spread during the flu season.” CDC

    The CDC is saying that 90% of the time when you get “seasonal flu symptoms” you do not have “the seasonal flu” you have ILI.which includes the “the seasonal flu virus and at least 300 other viruses. So the CDC is selling you something which cannot possibly solve your viral infection problem.

    Is this so difficult to understand? Do you need to be an authority to understand this?

    “There are many other viruses besides influenza that can result in influenza-like illness* (ILI) that spread during the flu season.” CDC

    The “flu shot” MAY “protect” you against four viruses BUT you need protection against at least 300 and probably many more viruses.

    Vitamin D protects you against virtually ALL viruses and is completely not toxic.

    23 Seniors Died After Receiving Flu Shot Sold by Pharmacies Note 23 out of about 2800; so if you get this poison every year how many years do you think you will last?

  • Advocate355

    As I said, believe what you want. I really don’t care. I don’t have time for pointless discussions. I won’t change your beliefs and you won’t change mine.

  • Kendall

    You basically repeated what I said.
    Older people have a weaker immune system. And for some people the shot of very benifical. It has never hurt me.

  • The Hitman

    I do not smoke or drink. However, I do suffer in severe pain every day of my life due to an unknown cause. Doctors have searched for that cause for over 8 years and came up with nothing. I have been to the best doctors in their fields and they all look at me like they just saw their first Alien from Mars. So yes, My confidence in doctors and medical professionals has been scorned. My confidence in the government for too many reasons. I do not have the pain tolerance to type out all those reasons here. I am also not paranoid sir. I am only looking at act and making an intelligent decision. I just don’t believe what everyone tells me like an idiot does. They make decisions based on the entire population. I make them based on what I think is best for my family and I. I think if I were in those positions I may make similar decisions because it is best for the entire population. I am not in those positions. I have to look out for the health and safety of my circle. You do that for yours too. Good luck.

  • Mike

    I empathize with your pain. Where specifically do you hurt? Was it due to an injury or accident? How are you being treated for it? Do you ever find relief? Have you tried cannabis?

  • Lou

    Please present some EVIDENCE any fool can blabber. I notice ALL your posts contain NO evidence. Want me to give you some? LOL

    The Autism/ASD/Vaccine Damage epidemic is found in all countries that have allowed mass vaccinations. It is found nowhere else.

    “In New Delhi, India, prior to 2000, ASD/PDD (autism spectrum disorder/pervasive developmental disorder) symptoms were rare – typically only occurring in children who were vaccinated abroad. However, after the Indian pediatricians began recommending, in 2000, the addition of triple-dose Thimerosal-preserved Hib (Haemophilis influenza B) and Hep B (hepatitis B) vaccination programs to the existing Thimerosal-preserved triple dose DTP (diphtheria toxin, tetanus toxin and pertussis toxins) vaccination program recommended by the Government of India, the incidence of a childhood ASD/PDD diagnosis increased to 2 % to 4 % of vaccinated New Delhi children.” Doctor Paul King PhD, Note folks here it is. Read and reread this PLEASE


    Please post a link to back up what ever bs you reply with.

  • Mike

    Here is what I would do if I were you. Find an island, far, far away from civilization and take your children along with all the other numb skulls that are responsible for the latest cases of small pox, tuberculosis, mumps, whooping cough, and chicken pox showing up in schools and hospitals. I hope you all have really good immune systems because your going to need them to prevent the diseases vaccines have eliminated from our society. Eventually, you will get sick and need to find a doctor as well because many of them will not treat you and your family without immunizations shots. You also will not be able to send your children to public schools because they also are increasingly turning away students who are not immunized against disease.
    Eventually, your little island will not be inhabited by people because like the flu pandemic of 1918 where over 50 million people died world wide, your paranoia will set up similar conditions that will wipe you. Darwin wins, and dim wits loose. There is your conundrum. We, the responsible ones know that a vast majority of people who get immunization shots are helped versus harmed. Its that simple and the data is there regardless of what a few quacks spot from there vacuous and irresponsibly driven, anecdotal nonsense. The CDC and medical community have far more information, and knowledge as a whole, than you and your ilk. When you or a family member come down with the flu this year, do us all a favor and stay away from the elderly, people with compromised health and the young because thousands every year die from it. That is a fact that you can find by talking to the hospitals that treat them every year. Good luck finding that island, your going to need it.

  • Lou
  • AutismDad

    Re-exposure is important to keep the immune system up to date.

  • dyhart

    Interesting you call him a lemming when you wait in line for your flu shot like so many others.

  • brooksjason

    really mike, you are one stupid human being.
    i think every blog and the like has at least one troll and your this ones’s.

  • brooksjason

    no mike i would find yourself an island and don’t forget to take wilson with you..

  • brooksjason

    “Mike” the guy who’s father works for big Farma!

  • brooksjason

    those studies only get buried by your BIG FARMA BUDDIES!!

  • brooksjason

    “And what do pigs have in common with humans?”

    you should know!

  • Dan Bronson

    How many idiots inject this stuff into their blood? Laughable fools.

  • Adam Baum

    If you’re not aware of the Protocols behind the depopulation Agenda underway, Let me give you a starter in which you will definitely be awakened: http://ukrainereferendum.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-zionist-manifesto-for-new-world.html

  • Nathan Kedis

    I dont have any conspiracy on the flu shot. I just dont get it. I last had the flu in 13-14 and 08-09. I last had a flu shot in 01.
    I can go years without getting sick so i’m in no rush to go injecting myself with mercury and viruses.

  • MR Right

    But Nathan, Pharmaceutical companies needs to make BILLIONS and BILLIONS
    dollar in profit. That’s their ultimate goal. They don’t give a crap
    about your or my well being. It is all about the money. Their reasoning
    is that what can 25 micron of mercury is going to do anyone. Even if you
    get affected by their vaccines, it would be very hard to prove it was
    their vaccine that caused you sickness or injured you. It is like going
    up against McDonald months and months later and saying, “Hey, it was
    your burger that clogged my arteries and gave me heart attack.” In fact,
    one of the manager working for McDonald said, “We are not in the
    business of helping people stay healthy but sell food and make profit.”

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  • Disney Mike

    Better reasons for not getting the vaccine:

    #1: Because no one has ever died from influenza.
    #2: Because not being protected from the flu means you can help spread it to more people.
    #3: Because missing work is fun!
    #4: Because you don’t want to be mistaken for someone with an IQ over 70.

    Seriously, you people are all idiots. This article has so much fundamentally wrong with it that it appears to have been written by a mentally ill conspiracy theorist. Oh, wait, that’s exactly what it is.

    But, you morons would prefer that millions of people die if we ever see a repeat of the 1918 Spanish flu. Yay for people who don’t understand science!

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  • Leigha

    Why are you ( a supposed non fool) taking the time to stalk people or their comments on a website you think is nothing but conspiracy theorist ?? Why not go stalk the CDC site and tell them what a great job thy are doing

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  • Pat

    nobody understands science, you can’t prove anything with science but only disprove things

  • Liam Norcup

    Did he make you suck his balls too?? I hope so. Then I hope you died from Aids.

  • Randall Hamlet

    Wow. You gets are so stupid. I wish children would be taken if you idiots risk our population over pseudoscience BS.

  • Randall Hamlet

    In the same sense that the Earth being round and revolving around the Sun is still just part of an experiment, so are vaccines. You don’t live the rest of your life with this absurd criterion, why risk our health over it?

  • Pat

    Well yeah, pretty sure reality is a huge experiment. I agree with vaccinations but people have the right to disagree

  • Pat

    You can’t call people idiots when you can’t even write properly.

  • Randall Hamlet

    Oh no, I quickly typed something and autocorrect chose the wrong correction, that makes me less intelligent! It is equivalent to rejecting science and putting our population at risk!

  • Randall Hamlet

    They have the right to disagree. But people have the right to disagree that murder is wrong. That doesn’t mean we have to let them murder people. Not vaccinating is a threat to other people. If one wishes to send their children to public school, for example, they should be required to vaccinate them. If there is a serious threat to public health, the people should be required to get vaccines or face the consequences. If it is a pandemic, that may mean quarantine and no rations.

  • Pat

    Haha, which is why the world is continuously in a state of war? Murder isn’t necessarily wrong either, right and wrong is just a concept and you’ve polarised the argument because you feel so strongly about it.

    I’m mostly agreeing with you, but you can’t just call people idiots and expect them to be on your side of the argument.

  • Pat

    how old are you

  • Pat

    and that’s definitely not autocorrect – autocorrect doesn’t fix poor grammar.

  • Randall Hamlet

    I know that, but sometimes stupidity is too great for me to deal with. If enough people ridicule them it will work!

    If you want to help them, then you are doing the world a great service, one for which I simply have no patience.

  • Randall Hamlet

    Irrelevant to the discussion.

  • Brenda Johnson
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  • Vivian

    There should be a smurf emoji

  • Maverick Wild

    if your vaccinated how am i a threat to you, your a idiot

  • Randall Hamlet

    I’ll explain, since this is hard for you:
    – Some people can’t get a vaccine. They may be:
    — Not the correct age
    — Medical issue (disease, allergies, etc)
    – Vaccines aren’t 100% effective
    – Not everyone gets a vaccine, so herd immunity depends on those that can get it to get it.

    These are some of the simple reasons.

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  • GreeneWolfe

    Eat a plant based diet…no flu

  • GreeneWolfe

    you are a government shill in a bunker

  • Randall Hamlet

    Freedom is an interesting topic in political philosophy. I wonder if you have any idea how complicated it is. Do I have the freedom to pollute your water? Do I have the freedom to burn your house down? Why do you have the freedom to put your children at risk and, by extension, other people (including children) in our country?

  • Randall Hamlet

    A government shill in a bunker? Are you scared to sleep at night? I’m a communist and I don’t like the US government. I also live in Europe now.

  • Randall Hamlet

    I got the flu when I was a vegan… The flu is a virus, it doesn’t matter what you eat.

  • Randall Hamlet

    Pure freedom is nothing but anarchy. You can’t just do anything you want.

  • Judi Fischer Brown

    How dumb are you? A flu vaccination helps protect you from a specific, potentially dangerous strain. YOU CAN STILL GET THE FLU!!! It will most likely be other, less dangers strains or, if you contract the strain you were vaccinated against, it will generally be a milder case. Do some research on sites that are supported by science and medicine.

  • Judi Fischer Brown

    Get some REAL scientific information…Huff Post doesn’t qualify.

  • Judi Fischer Brown

    Amazing that you have real quotes from a secret meeting! you don’t have a science OR medical background.

  • MR Right

    You are a PRODUCT OF MAINSTREAM MEDIA and will react BADLY when faced with commonsense and reasoning, because MAINSTREAM MEDIA doesn’t care about educating people but spread misinformation. There have been many deaths related to FLU VACCINATION. Did you know that? Plus, FLU VACCINATION is not a SURE THING. In fact, the doctors and medical community pushing these vaccinations don’t even guarantee that it will work. It is pretty much a guess work, which means it could potentially be dangerous to get these vaccination. Do some research yourself instead of talking through your pretty little ass. lol